1 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:29,120 No, it's fine. [Music] 2 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:36,160 Uh, I will call to order for Typicanw County Executive Committee for October 3 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:39,520 1st, 2025 public hearing. Uh, first on the agenda is the roll call. Eric 4 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,039 Jackson Bogen present. 5 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,479 Larry Leins present. 6 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,840 Diana Looper present. 7 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,120 Myrt Kathy Parker 8 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:48,560 here. Jerry Reynolds 9 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,919 present. Gary Schroeder 10 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,759 here. Forum present. 11 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Next on the agenda is approval of minutes. Jerry 12 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,560 move to approve the minutes from September 3rd, 2025 public hearing as 13 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,440 submitted. I second it. I 14 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:09,840 have a motion a second to approve the minutes. Any comments or corrections? 15 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:14,000 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. 16 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:16,880 Opposed. That motion carries. Next case, cherry. 17 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,880 I move to hear and vote on resolution PD25-12. 18 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,360 I second it. Okay. 19 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:36,080 Good afternoon. Nathan McNet, APC staff. We've got resolution 25-12 for research 20 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:42,400 village phase 3. um picture of the zoning map. It is adjacent to um 21 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:47,360 research village phase one and two which are not PDS. Um and then we have an O 22 00:06:45,039 --> 00:06:52,479 zone property to the south there that's owned by Purdue Research Foundation. 23 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Um some close-up pictures of the property. 24 00:06:55,840 --> 00:07:08,080 It the project is going to be um all single family homes. Um, it'll be up to, 25 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:12,960 I think, 27 detached products. See, 27 front front loaded single family 26 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:20,160 lots, 14 rear loaded single family lots, and 34 town homes. Um, the town homes 27 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:24,720 will front right there along Round Table Road. Um, this portion of 28 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:30,560 Round Table Road has been constructed. Um, you'll be voting on this uh without 29 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:37,759 the final plat. So, it'll just be the FDPs and the construction plans. 30 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:44,120 And there you go. Thank you, petitioner. The 31 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,120 representative Ryan 32 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:50,639 Ryan Mutton with RTS Law here. On behalf of the petitioner, uh we can with 33 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:54,479 staff's report and recommendation and request your approval. Our client is 34 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:57,520 excited to get started. Um have member of Kimley Horn here as well with me to 35 00:07:56,319 --> 00:08:02,160 help answer any questions you might have. Thank you. Very good. Thank you, 36 00:07:59,599 --> 00:08:10,759 Ryan. Anyone in the audience wish to comment on this petition. 37 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,759 Questions or comments from the board? 38 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,400 Hearing? None. We have a yellow ballot. 39 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:46,880 We have a unanimous ballot for approval. Very good. Thank you, Ryan. So, now that 40 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:51,120 we enter the public hearing portion of our meeting, I have a statement to read. 41 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:54,880 For those of you unfamiliar with our procedures, the commission would like 42 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:59,040 for you to know the following. When we hear request to subdivide land, we're 43 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:03,040 only concerned with whether the actual drawings join the division into lots 44 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:06,080 meets the technical requirements of our ordinance. The question of 45 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:10,480 appropriateness has already been determined. Anyone wishing to make a 46 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:16,080 comment or provide us with information regarding any subdivision petition will 47 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:21,600 be given an opportunity to do so. We are a seven member body with a majority of 48 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:25,200 seven is four. Regardless of how many commissioners are actually present, at 49 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:29,519 least four votes in favor or four votes against are required for our action to 50 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:33,600 be official. If fewer than four of us agree to either approve or disapprove an 51 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:39,600 action, the case must be heard again next month. Honor, our vote on a request 52 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:42,959 to subdivide is final. When addressing the commission, please state your name 53 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:47,920 and address for the record. And we have a signin sheet over at the desk. If you 54 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:51,360 could sign in after you speak, please limit your statements to no more than 5 55 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:55,440 minutes. And we ask that you not repeat what others before you have already 56 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:58,720 said. Cell phones must be turned off while the meeting is in session. You 57 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:03,519 need to use your phone. Please step out before doing so. All exhibits presented 58 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:08,320 to the commission become property of the commission. Jerry, I move that there be 59 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:12,480 incorporated to the public hearing portion of each application to be heard 60 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:16,880 this evening and become part of the evidence as such hearing. The unified 61 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:21,519 zoning ordinance, the uni unified subdivision ordinance, the comprehensive 62 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:26,800 plan, the bylaws of the area plan commission, the application and 63 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:31,120 documents documents filed therew with staff report and recommendations on the 64 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,720 application to be heard this evening and response from the checkpoint agencies. I 65 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,600 second it. All those in favor say I. I. 66 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:45,519 Opposed. That motion carries. I move to hear and vote on S5292 67 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:48,240 Hall estates minor subdivision minor sketch. 68 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,240 I second it Amanda. 69 00:10:51,440 --> 00:11:01,360 Thank you. So you have before you a request for a minor subdivision. Um we 70 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:07,680 are in um Randolph Township. The subject property is 2.4 acres. It is 71 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:13,040 a parent track that's been in existence well before 1979. Our parent track date. 72 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:19,079 You can see here the surrounding zoning is all uh select agricultural AA as 73 00:11:16,079 --> 00:11:19,079 well. 74 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:31,519 The proposal is for two lots um one one acre and one just over one acre 75 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:37,760 um done through the minor subdivision process. Um we are recommending 76 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:41,839 conditional primary approval contingent on the conditions that are found in your 77 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:43,920 staff report. Happy to answer any other questions. 78 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Very good. Thank you, Amanda. Petitioner, the representative, please. 79 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:57,279 Star Associates. Uh Todd Star, 215 Alabama Street. Um we agree with the 80 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:01,040 staff report and uh here to answer any questions you might have. 81 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:06,600 Very good. Thank you, Todd. We may have some. Any comments or questions from the 82 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,600 commission? 83 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:16,240 Anyone? Did I ask anyone in the audience wish to comment? Okay. Questions from 84 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:21,880 the staff hearing? None. We have a white pallet for that. And I don't believe 85 00:12:18,079 --> 00:12:21,880 there's bonding requested. 86 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:59,440 We have unanimous ballot for approval. Very good. Thank you, Ryan. Approval of 87 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:08,160 the October APC public hearing agenda. Move to place amendment number 123 on 88 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:10,959 October 15th, 2025. area public hearing. I second it. 89 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,519 All those in favor say I. I. 90 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:17,760 Oppos. That motion carries. I move the following subdivision 91 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:23,680 petition be placed on the October 15, 2025 area plan commission hearing agenda 92 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:28,000 at petitioner's request. Placement thereon being without reference to 93 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:31,839 compliance or non-compliance adopted subject. 94 00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:38,240 I second it. Wait a second. I got S. 95 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:43,600 5300 Thompson Thrift and Milbrook Major Pre 96 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,399 Preliminary. Okay. All those in favor say I. 97 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,240 I. Opposed? That motion carries. Cherry. I 98 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:58,639 move the following reszone condition be placed on October 15, 2025 area plan 99 00:13:53,360 --> 00:14:09,680 commission hearing agenda. Z 30004 Diana B Garcia R2 to NB Z30005 100 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:12,560 Sterling 27 LLC A to R1B. I second it. 101 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:17,040 All in favor say I. I. Opposed. That motion carries. I move 102 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:24,160 the following petition be placed on October 22nd area board of zoning 103 00:14:19,519 --> 00:14:32,160 appeals public hearing BZA 2212 William P and Gail Gettings 104 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:34,240 and BZA 2213 BC LLC. 105 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:39,199 I second it. All in favor say I. 106 00:14:36,079 --> 00:14:45,600 I opposed. That motion carries. I move the following results from var 107 00:14:42,959 --> 00:14:50,240 variance from the unified zoning ordinance are not request for the use of 108 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:54,040 variance prohibited consideration ordinance and statute. 109 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,720 We're good. 110 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:14,480 That's two number 2025-23 Typican New County Land Holdings, Inc. 111 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:21,040 2225-27 Janet Yokum 2025-28 112 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:26,160 Central Avenue Revocable Living Trust and 2025-29 113 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:31,120 Myers Store Limited Partnership. I second it. All 114 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:35,040 in favor say I. I. Opposed. The motion carries. 115 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:39,440 Budget report. Jerry, I move to approve September 2025 budget 116 00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:44,279 report as submitted. I second it. 117 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:44,279 Ryan. 118 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:51,279 Any questions for Ryan on the budget report? 119 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:55,360 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. 120 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:58,360 Opposed. That motion carries. Any other business? 121 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Last motion, Jerry. I move to adjourn. So, we're turned, but 122 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,880 we're going to start the ordinance committee here real shortly. 123 00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:16,480 Like, we have a crowd. So, let's go ahead and get started. 124 00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:20,399 And I will call to order the area plan commission of Tikun County Ordinance and 125 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:24,560 bylaw Committee for October the 1st, 2025. 126 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:29,279 And we do not have a roll call, but we do have a quorum present. So the first 127 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:33,639 motion would be for the approval of minutes for September 3rd, 2025. 128 00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:46,000 Okay, we have a sec. We have a motion, a second. Comments or corrections? 129 00:16:43,199 --> 00:16:49,680 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. 130 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:53,320 Opposed? That motion carries. Large data center amendment. 131 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:06,079 So, large data centers are on the agenda tonight because um it was brought up 132 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:10,319 briefly at last month's meeting um to to start considering this because they've 133 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:16,000 been in the news a lot lately and before we have a chance to really dig into what 134 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:22,079 these mean for our community, if they're good, if they're bad, just any kind of 135 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:26,400 research, um APC staff thought that it would be best to get something in in the 136 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:31,200 books in case these large data centers are looking around for a place in 137 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:35,280 Typicanw County. We have something that can protect us until we have a more 138 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:38,799 thorough understanding of what they mean for the community and if they're okay 139 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:43,360 here, what kind of restrictions might need to be placed on them, if any. We 140 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:50,320 don't know. The point of this is just to put a bit of a pause on allowing them. 141 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:56,559 Um so we found the best location for them in our ordinance which would be 142 00:17:53,120 --> 00:18:01,280 under a current SIC code um 737 computer programming data 143 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:08,000 processing and other computer related services. 144 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:14,080 We created an a definition to address uh what we're talking about with large data 145 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:17,919 center also known as a server farm. is a large group of computer servers 146 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:21,600 typically used by organizations or companies for the remote storage, 147 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:25,360 processing or distribution of large amounts of data. A large data center 148 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:32,799 building or grouping of buildings is 5,000 square ft in area or larger. So 149 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:36,240 that would not count any existing such facilities that we already have in the 150 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:43,200 county. We're talking about things that are much much larger in nature. So, um 151 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:49,600 the proposed ordinance would allow them in I2 zoning districts by special 152 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:56,080 exception only and it would also make them um conform to the section 4-10, the 153 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:01,360 industrial performance standards from the UCO. So again, this was meant as 154 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:06,400 kind of a quick fix until we have a little bit more time to review these 155 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:12,240 data centers to see what the ordinance should reflect for that. um if we are 156 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:17,360 wanting to discuss this at any length, we can definitely do that, but we just 157 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:20,720 wanted to uh see if this could get through a little bit more quickly to 158 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:25,520 allow us a little bit more time. I know the main event here tonight is the 159 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:28,960 downtown plan for West Lafayette. So happy to answer any questions, but 160 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:32,400 again, we really want to get to the West Lafayette downtown plan so we can u 161 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:37,840 maybe talk about this a little bit further out of the full APC meeting, 162 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:45,679 which it has already been um published to go to APC this month as well. 163 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:49,400 Very good. Anyone from the audience wish to comment on this? 164 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:58,880 Zachary Vale 124 Connelly Street. Um, I just wanted to get on the record with 165 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:04,080 this as well. Uh, as far as being considered the data centers, they they 166 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:08,160 can be quite uh gigantic, 100, 200, 300,000 plus square feet. I would 167 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,600 encourage it. It doesn't seem like this would stop it. It would still come under 168 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,960 a special exception in the I2 area. I didn't know if there's anything that 169 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:18,559 could be done to actually place a cap on the size of any data center that could 170 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:21,919 be developed inside there. So, I would encourage this ordinance committee and 171 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,240 the APC staff to consider putting a cap on those developments as well. Thank 172 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:27,679 you. Very good, good point. Anyone else 173 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,679 wishing to speak to this from the audience? 174 00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:42,799 Good evening. Uh Joe Sowski, 938 Cheps Lane. Uh great to see you all again. Um 175 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:47,280 I'm uh just up here again as a concerned citizen. Um I think in the preamble 176 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:50,960 before this which was in the packet um staff even noted that there's a lot of 177 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:56,320 negative externalities associated with these data centers noise high 178 00:20:53,520 --> 00:21:01,360 electricity uses water usage um and I noticed on you know this initial 179 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:05,360 ordinance um development it's very minimum and there's not a lot of 180 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:10,000 buildout like you see for solar energy systems or for the wind energy systems 181 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:15,840 that we had before. Um, also there's some issues too because SIC 737 doesn't 182 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:20,799 fall under the 410 categories which are only I believe 20 to 39. So, you know, I 183 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:25,760 think there's going to be some missteps if you go with this barebones um 184 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:30,640 ordinance as is. Now, there are many counties that have ordinances Indiana on 185 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:34,720 the books um that have a much more lengthy, much more detailed look at 186 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:41,039 those negative externalities such as size, noise, electricity, etc. So I 187 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:44,559 would strongly encourage um the staff to kind of build this out a bit further 188 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:50,159 beyond just section two and actually have a section a subsection much like 189 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:53,280 where other largecale industrial uses where it lays out these criteria. Thank 190 00:21:52,159 --> 00:21:59,159 you. Good. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to 191 00:21:56,159 --> 00:21:59,159 comment 192 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,360 questions or comments from the commission? 193 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:14,559 I'll I I'll start off. So, and then you guys fill in. But, and I looked at the 194 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:24,200 email, you evidently did not receive an email that Jody Hamilton sent out that 195 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,200 called that referenced the 196 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:34,640 data center that Wine has and has had for decades, I suppose, out on 350. Uh, 197 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:39,520 and I wouldn't call that a large one, but she points out that that's 7200 198 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:43,760 square ft, which is not very large. That was I mean, when they planted that and 199 00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:49,360 it's in an I3 zone, so it would make that nonconforming. 200 00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:55,440 Um, and I think as Zach said, a lot of those that we're may be concerned about 201 00:22:52,159 --> 00:23:00,960 100,000, 300,000, 500,000 opposed to a small data center that 202 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:06,320 someone um might just use in their business like 203 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:11,760 Windche has, which has been around for a long time, used to be in town and moved 204 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:15,679 out and built a data center. So, seems like for me anyway, it would take a 205 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:21,919 little more consideration, maybe some input from those that have an existing 206 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:26,799 data center. Any other comments from 207 00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:31,760 Yeah, the other thing I'd like to highlight from from the email as well is 208 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:40,240 that uh it spoke about the building size, not the size of the actual data 209 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:44,159 storage or data center. Um, but in in my limited amount of time of researching 210 00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:47,840 large scale data centers, uh, one of the things that it always talks about is 211 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:52,960 scalability. And I I would doubt that anyone's coming in can't predict to 212 00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:58,960 build a 5,000 square foot data center to scale it to 300,000 square ft. Uh, and 213 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:03,919 so I I I feel like we're a little shy and potentially hurting some right now 214 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:07,600 that we wouldn't want to hurt. And so a couple tweaks might be made to 215 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:14,080 assist those. So, are we thinking of raising that limit from 5,000 to 8 or 9 216 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:18,240 or 10,000 square ft? Is that what I'm hearing? 217 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,120 If your comment previously was, we just want to put this on the book. So, we got 218 00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:23,520 something, but we're going to come back in short time and talk about it. 219 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:27,679 Absolutely. And we have some input from communities 220 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,520 and maybe from people that have data centers. 221 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:34,400 Yeah. Oh, sure. 222 00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:38,640 I was the zone that we picked because we don't have a whole lot of I2 here in the 223 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:44,480 county. So, it would force a reszone action on top of the special exceptions. 224 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:51,200 So, if there were concerns about data centers coming in under this, if this 225 00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:57,080 gets passed, um it would have like most likely have to undergo two separate 226 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:57,080 public hearing processes. 227 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:05,400 I totally appreciate what we're trying to accomplish with this, but 228 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:15,200 um I think more we need more information to make the right decision and and how 229 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:19,200 we're going to because as in which Ryan, it went to 230 00:25:17,919 --> 00:25:24,080 you, but you guys were probably already up here just so you know. Um the email 231 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:31,279 from Jody, they're in I3 zone which is also going to cause an issue. So, um I 232 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:39,400 just think for us to make a good decision, we need a lot more information 233 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,400 and to be brought forth. 234 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Is there a way to put it on and sunset it so that 235 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:56,679 it gives us a timeline to uh come up with a more comprehensive 236 00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:56,679 review? 237 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,840 I mean this is kind of what the commissioners did with the mortorium on 238 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:07,919 solar to give time right so we're trying to go about this 239 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:12,720 by a different mode so that's kind of the question before you is do you agree 240 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:19,520 with putting something in here to buy time or not? 241 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:26,080 So, we either put something in here to try to buy time by some mode, either 242 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:32,640 some sort of, you know, legislative body action or some sort of 243 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:36,480 legislative action like this to try to uh 244 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:40,480 I guess put some constraints so that we can have time to study it further and 245 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:45,840 see what's most appropriate. Uh or we kind of leave it the way it is. hope for 246 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:49,440 the best that Amazon, Meta, the rest of them don't show up with their mega 247 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,880 centers. But to Jackson's question, can we put 248 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:56,720 can we sunset that? And maybe that's a question to Eric, so we can sunset that. 249 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,799 So we could approve this, tweak it, prove it, maybe give it one year 250 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,679 and so that it holds holds our feet to the fire so that we 251 00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:06,960 right, we don't drop the ball. Yeah, 252 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,880 that was I I'm all in favor. I like I like where this going. I just want to 253 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,159 make sure Okay, that's what I want to make sure. 254 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,799 Yeah. Okay. Do you agree with some sort of action to 255 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,760 Yeah. allow for a pause? Yeah, that was the 256 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:21,840 first thing that we kind of need to get out of the way is like, do you agree on 257 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:27,679 pausing this or Yeah. Okay, cool. So, the sunset provisions perfectly 258 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:30,720 allowed in the UIO. All right. I've not seen one in my time here, so I 259 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,640 wasn't sure about the legalities of that. Okay. 260 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,520 I don't think it's used very often um for a lot of reasons, but it's certainly 261 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,640 legal to do it. Okay, good to know. put that tool in the 262 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,480 box. Yeah. But but it see also seems like we 263 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:48,559 as you know the ordinance committee doesn't like to make people 264 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:53,840 non-conforming to build something and you know it may be that we change that 265 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:57,440 to 10,000 I2 I3 zone since we're going to come back and revisit it and that 266 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:01,760 knocks out all the big data centers anyway. Well, that's why when I spotted 267 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:06,320 Jod's email, I I just glanced at it briefly because it came really late and 268 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:11,840 I didn't know she was in the business. And so I'm like, well, perhaps she knows 269 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:15,760 like what are the biggest ones around. All right. Well, of the local ones that 270 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:19,520 are around, if they're the biggest, maybe that's that's our ceiling, you 271 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:23,200 know, because that that's not Meta or Amazon or Google, you know, that these 272 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,799 are the Wintex, these are the smaller ones, you know. Um, so, 273 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,679 right. So yeah, maybe we come back, you know, 274 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:36,000 and adjust that number to so that there are no nonconformities 275 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,679 um out right out of the gate proposing we we do it today. I don't 276 00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:43,120 know what the rest of the board thinks, but 277 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,200 we certainly can do it at the APC meeting as well. 278 00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:48,480 Oh, I see that uh because it's on the agenda. So we can go 279 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,039 into that meeting make all sorts of amendments at the 280 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,080 hearing, but we cannot amend that here is what 281 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,240 you're saying. Oh, you can't make a re 282 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,159 Oh, yeah. Yeah. recommendation. Okay. 283 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:03,520 Okay. So, we'd send it forward with our tweaks if if it the 284 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:09,840 certainly commission sees that to be correct. 285 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:14,159 Ryan, can I ask you one more question? What are your thoughts on square footage 286 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:19,120 of an occupied building? I could see an old warehouse and uh somebody taking up 287 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:24,240 10,000 square feet of 100,000 square foot warehouse for their own, we'll just 288 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:28,159 say windche, right? for their own usage of a data center, not the large scale 289 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:32,799 data center like we're talking about. And what we have right now is 10 thou 290 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:37,520 5,000 square foot building. Well, they would be inside a building. Let's say it 291 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,279 was 6,000 square feet. So, it doesn't Yeah. 292 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:46,320 Is there a way to word it that it and and Jody brought up a good example 293 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:49,520 back to enforcability has one inside of one of their buildings. Their building 294 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,919 is much larger than 5,000 ft or even 10,000 square feet. And 295 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:58,480 I think the question also came up among staff. Are we talking about total 296 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,120 building square footage or just ground floor area? Ground floor. 297 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:05,360 Good point. Square footage. 298 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:08,399 I don't know if their 7200 is their entire building or if it's just the 299 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,200 footprint. Single story. 300 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:16,159 Single story. But we could we could um clarify that in 301 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:20,120 the definition that we're talking about ground floor area only. 302 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:27,200 Did you have an did you have a response to his question on the 303 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,640 Sorry, I was thinking about the ground floor, so I didn't hear your question. 304 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,799 So, my my concern Did one of us answer your question? 305 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,480 What's that? Did one of us answer your question, 306 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,360 Jackson? No. 307 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,080 Oh, okay. Um, so my my concern is if we have 308 00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:44,480 somebody that goes in for their own purpose, we'll use Windche as the 309 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:49,200 example, and they're going to occupy 6,000 square feet of an existing 310 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:54,000 building that is 100,000 square feet. The way this is worded now is that's 311 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:58,399 greater than 10,000. If we change it to 10,000, that's greater than 10,000 312 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:02,000 square feet, but they're only the center that we're referring to is only six. 313 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,440 Mhm. So, if they're a tenant of a building, 314 00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:09,600 not not not the occupied space for the data center, maybe. 315 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:15,360 Right. Well, I guess if 316 00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:19,840 if they uh if they're limited to that square footage that they're leasing, 317 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,440 like say like you're are you saying in that scenario they're leasing 6,000 of 318 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,799 the 100,000? Got it. 319 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:30,799 Okay. And this says a grouping of buildings 320 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:37,679 5,000 5,000 square feet in area or larger. 321 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:41,919 Okay, I see what you're saying. Well, 322 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:46,559 it I know it we're all about addressing the impacts of these facilities, you 323 00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:53,919 know, which has to do with the, you know, from what I've learned so far, you 324 00:31:48,880 --> 00:32:05,120 know, the water that they take, the um the emissions that they exude, both 325 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:12,159 sound and uh uh vapors. Um and so, you know, if those how those are calculated 326 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:16,880 from the square footage of the space, you know, versus the empty space they've 327 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:22,159 not, you know, they're air conditioning in a space, you know, in the building, 328 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:28,320 you know, if that is a a contained environment that can be calculated and 329 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,039 determined, then then it's enforcable, you know, and then if they have an 330 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:35,519 option to lease more space, well, then we could they would necessarily if it's 331 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:40,399 a special exception have to come back expand and that and then we we have 332 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:46,320 controls over its expansion at that point. So, you know, that logic, yeah, I 333 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:50,559 could see that making sense, having allowances for someone who is coming 334 00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,679 into an existing facility only leasing part of it. 335 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,440 Correct. You know, I just I would just want 336 00:32:52,960 --> 00:33:00,559 enforcement controls to have some ability to, you know, 337 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:06,880 Yeah. So, yeah, 338 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:06,880 account for those sorts of situations. 339 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,039 Okay. 340 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:20,480 So, what what do we feel like we want to do? Do we want to make some tweaks, pass 341 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:23,880 it? Do we want another month, leave it as it is? 342 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:33,039 Vicki, did Jod's email provide like a ceiling? Did she reference a facility 343 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:36,960 that was bigger? because perhaps we could adjust that number to accommodate 344 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:41,200 that facility and maybe inflate the number a bit to 345 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:46,519 give us some buffer. It says she lists two buildings, one's 346 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,519 on Purdue, 347 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,880 right? Just says that they're over the 348 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:58,399 right trustee own property is off the books. So if it's Purdue property, it's 349 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:03,840 not regulated. I just again I just I wish Jody was here 350 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,880 because I feel like she's the viewer that could have added a lot more 351 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,880 commentary and 352 00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,720 Oh yeah, I'm sorry Vicki, your mic's not on. 353 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:18,720 I'm sorry. Yeah. Um anyway, and without her here, I 354 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:23,320 just feel like again, I do appreciate where we're going with this, but I feel 355 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,320 like 356 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:33,119 either extended a month or we pass it with the sunset close so that we 357 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:39,520 keep working on it behind the scenes. I don't think it's refined 358 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:45,280 or explored. Jackson uh like Vickiy's points much uh I would 359 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:51,520 make recommendations to change it to 10,000 square feet uh change it to I2 360 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:56,320 and I3 with a sunset clause of one year that goes that should based off what 361 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,839 we've heard that makes sure should something happen to we don't hurt that 362 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:04,720 operation and all the operations that they serve and gives us a time uh limits 363 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:07,119 the size of something that somebody can build. I don't think they're coming 364 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,640 that's not what I think we're concerned about. Right. 365 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,040 Correct. Um and then it also puts pressure on us 366 00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:16,640 to have something done within a year. I can live with that. Is that a motion? 367 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,800 I'll make that a motion. Okay. And then we just need a second for 368 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,599 that. I'll second. 369 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:26,800 Have a motion and second, if I understand that right, to change it to 370 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:31,119 10,000 ft, I2 and I3 zone, and a sunset clause of one year. 371 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:36,000 And we have a motion, a second on that. And is there more discussion on that? 372 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:40,960 I just had a question on clarification. 10,000 ft is the building or 10,000 ft 373 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:46,000 is the usage. Back to the enforcability question usage 374 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,119 more difficult thing to enforce because I'm worried about the existing 375 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:54,160 what we have in place now and Purdue's exempt. Uh so I'll say building for now 376 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,520 and that's something we can explore. Thank you. prior to the one-year sunset 377 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:06,720 comments from the Ber line commission. I saw someone in the 378 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,079 someone in the audience maybe wanted to speak. 379 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:14,680 Cleger, I thought there was somebody behind you maybe, but Okay. 380 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:23,119 Yeah. Steve Clevenger, 411 Black Forest Lane. I do have a question. If lint is 381 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:28,720 7200 square ft and you're raising it to 382 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:32,960 10,000, why do you need to include I3? Because they are they are I3. 383 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:37,839 They are I3 but they would be under the 10,000 which means that this would not 384 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:42,560 apply to them. That that way you still have that 385 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:46,640 reszone with the legislative body until you get something else in place. 386 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:50,480 I'd like to amend. Thank you. 387 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:57,359 Thank you. Good points, Steve. Uh, I'd like to mend mine uh to remove 388 00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,640 the I3 and keep it at I2, please. Would you like me to restate everything? 389 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:05,200 Okay. Who second? Well, we're waiting on that. 390 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:09,440 Well, I was just wondering. Second that again, if you would pick 391 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:14,440 with your microphone on if you agree with 392 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:14,440 I Well, I want a point of clarific 393 00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:21,680 from this in general the definition. Yeah, because it doesn't apply to 394 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,000 Windche since they're under Okay. 395 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:31,839 Wintech. All right. Second. Okay. We have a motion second to amend 396 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:36,400 his motion to remove the I3 zoning. Comments, other discussion. 397 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:39,839 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. I. 398 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:44,800 Opposed. That motion carries. So now we're amended to just uh 399 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,320 10,000 square feet 10,000 ft one year sunset clause. 400 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:54,720 Okay. Well, that's now on the floor. Any other discussion on that? 401 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,320 And that will go to full APC on the 15th. 402 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,359 Yeah. Right. So, yep. 403 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,359 Okay. Correct. 404 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,800 No other discussion. All those in favor say I. 405 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,560 I. I. Post. Okay. So 406 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:15,240 that's going forward. We just need a motion that Steve can 407 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,240 never retire. 408 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,000 Just 409 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:31,200 Okay. Next on the agenda is West Lafayette downtown plan second amendment 410 00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:36,240 draft. Okay. I'm going to provide a brief 411 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:41,680 introduction to this. So, uh, uh, Larry Leins has asked that the ordinance 412 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:47,599 committee be, uh, used to provide a forum for public, uh, input for this 413 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:52,560 effort. This is sort of the opening of public, uh, discussion on this proposed 414 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:57,280 amendment. So, this is I want to make that clear. This is by no means any sort 415 00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:03,280 of definitive. This is the closing of a process. This is actually the opening of 416 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:09,440 it. So, um, as, uh, he had mentioned at the beginning of, uh, last month, uh, at 417 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:15,760 city council, uh, we kicked off sort of a, uh, public comment period, um, for 418 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:23,119 amending the, uh, West Lafia downtown plan that was originally adopted, uh, 419 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:28,880 about, uh, 5 years ago. Um, and the amendment is to essentially make some 420 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:33,200 adjustments and mostly to create an expansion area. And let's go ahead and 421 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:38,000 roll to that slide. It's probably like maybe the third or fourth one in come to 422 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:45,119 the first purple map. That's probably the best one to land on there. Um, 423 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:51,040 you can. Yeah. Next one. All right. So, the purple map is what 424 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:55,440 was the study area from 2020. And there were uh all sorts of policy 425 00:39:53,599 --> 00:40:01,839 prescriptions and a future land use map that were included in that. Um the city 426 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:07,920 staff uh was interested in creating an expansion area in yellow where the 427 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:13,119 yellow area is and they um referred to uh most of it as sort of the Oakwood uh 428 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:19,520 neighborhood. and uh they gave me a map to kind of go 429 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:23,680 by and so we kind of created this expansion area and so we necessarily had 430 00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:30,640 to go in and put in new land use categories to to fill these spaces. And 431 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:36,240 um while doing that there was also interest in sort of making some 432 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:43,119 adjustments to what we had done in 2020 um and also to update the street grid or 433 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:48,960 the levy because well it's under construction. And in 2020 there were a 434 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:53,200 bunch of concepts and ideas for the street grid that didn't necessarily all 435 00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:58,400 communicate with each other that we kind of threw out option A, option B. Uh well 436 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:03,520 now there's a preferred option. The city went out and hired an engineer uh 437 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:08,560 engineering firm to uh kind of complete that concept and so now there's an 438 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:13,680 established plan for that and that's reflected in the amendment. So that 439 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:19,760 obviously necessitated an update uh as well. So uh that was the genesis behind 440 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:26,240 what prompted this. City council did pass a resolution authorizing APC to uh 441 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:30,720 begin this process. uh city staff didn't feel at the time it was necessary to 442 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,920 kind of go back and redo everything again with a new steering committee and 443 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:38,480 all the rest. We said, "Well, let's make these adjustments and then open it up 444 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:46,240 for public discourse." And so that's what we're doing here. So, um, so we're 445 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:51,040 going to take comment tonight, um, until we normally end the meeting, which is at 446 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:56,640 6 PM. Um, if, uh, we don't get to everybody that wants to speak. Um, I'm 447 00:41:53,760 --> 00:42:01,440 happy to hold another meeting, whether it's this one or at another venue. Uh, 448 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:05,200 we can, Larry and I, we can talk about, you know, what might be appropriate for 449 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:09,839 another, uh, venue, but we'll see what we get to here. Um, and of course people 450 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,599 are continue to welcome to send me comments via email. I've had personal 451 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:18,079 discussions in my office with folks and I appreciate them. Uh, so I'll get out 452 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:21,839 of the way and uh, let people talk. But first, are there any questions about any 453 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:26,160 of this? I can tell you that there's really no action item for you. This is 454 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,920 Am I getting things right, Larry? This is kind of how you wanted it to roll. 455 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,200 Okay. Yes. 456 00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:30,480 All right. Thank you. 457 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,680 Yeah, Gary, I think I understand it. So, the purple 458 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:37,520 area has already been done. Yes. That's from the 2020 plan. 2020 459 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,760 with the steering committees and now we're just focused on the yellow area. 460 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,119 Correct. Yeah. Yellow area is the expansion area. Correct. 461 00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:47,520 That that doesn't have any plan currently. 462 00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:55,359 It doesn't have any plan currently. So this this plan u creates uh one for it. 463 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:59,599 Uh but we did make amendments to the uh some of the purple area as well as part 464 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,359 of this. So uh that's why you may hear about the purple area. 465 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,560 Right. Okay. Gotcha. Thank you for that. 466 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:09,200 Yeah. So this this second amendment's a little thinner than the first one cuz I 467 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:14,160 we basically just show where the changes were uh because uh and we make reference 468 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,599 to that there are items from the original plan that are still being 469 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,200 carried forward because there were no changes made. So 470 00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:24,160 Okay. All right. We'll do our best tonight. Yes. 471 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:28,400 Ryan, uh can you give a little idea what timeline might look like on this? 472 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,880 Yes. This is the beginning of the kind of the public comment period. So, um, 473 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:36,160 like I said, we've already heard from a lot of key neighborhood folks, uh, 474 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:40,079 especially in the New Chanty neighborhood, which has been great. A 475 00:43:37,839 --> 00:43:45,200 lot of their comments are, you know, very thoughtful, very reasonable, and I 476 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:51,599 think very easy to accommodate in my opinion. So, um, I think from a staff's 477 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:56,400 perspective, and I think I can speak for city staff as well, we we really want 478 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:01,520 this to try to be a consensus effort. And so, um, to the extent that we can, 479 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:06,400 uh, address all of these comments, you know, whether there were errors that 480 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:09,599 people flagged or just, you know, uh, you know, actual changes that that are 481 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:14,560 made, we will try to address all of those, make a general update, and when 482 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:19,119 that update is ready, bring it back as a comp plan amendment to this body and 483 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:23,760 then to the ABC and then to city council. So, um, you know, it really 484 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:29,760 kind of depends on when the public comment period closes. And so if you 485 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:34,880 know presumably if we you know I I I really can't give a time but you know 486 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:39,839 you know probably over the winter you know I would think um so 487 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,599 unless there has been a change of direction from city council and they're 488 00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:47,920 interested in this coming sooner rather than later but I've not received such 489 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,400 direction. So um I'm kind of letting this process move organically at this 490 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,560 time. Thank you. 491 00:44:52,319 --> 00:45:00,400 Very good. Before we start taking public comment, anybody up here, especially 492 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:04,880 west side, want to make any comments before we 493 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:11,200 uh I'll just I'll just comment that um uh as you see on the map, the the 494 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:18,000 primary emphasis of the uh amendment is the yellow area or adding the yellow 495 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:23,920 area to it as as Ryan said. Uh and and myself, I don't know if Kathy has, but I 496 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:31,839 haven't heard any comments on that part of it. Uh the comments I've heard are 497 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:38,720 really the comments um about the changes in uh building height limits along 498 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:46,880 Fowler on the on the south side of Fowler. Um we have a building already in 499 00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:55,839 block one. We already we approved a building for block two. Um so looking at 500 00:45:50,480 --> 00:46:02,079 in the new plan looking at blocks 3 4 uh 501 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:06,880 maybe five but 7 8 9 10 somewhere along in there. Uh it's page 53 in the new 502 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,880 plan. There you go. Yeah. 503 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:15,079 So this is the future land use plan. 504 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:21,200 And I I concur with that. Most of the comments I had have been from um I would 505 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:25,680 say folks from the New Chanty neighborhood. Uh the bound the official 506 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:32,720 boundary of New Chanty Avenue is is Fowler Avenue there. I'm sorry, Wiggins. 507 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:36,480 Fowler Fowler. And um yeah, there was interest in 508 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:40,880 dropping the building heights along there after the Sullivan project because 509 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:46,160 that was just recently approved heading east, 510 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:52,240 dropping them to four stories. Um and uh I'm fine with that. So 511 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:55,119 I think they'll be, you know, for folks that that that's their main 512 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,079 issue, they're certainly welcome to bring it up, but yeah, that's that's 513 00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:02,480 fine. Okay. 514 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:08,480 But you can see the new street grid there as well. It's it obviously has 515 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:12,640 some uh some changes have been made to it from the uh from the original, but 516 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:17,200 that's uh this is the one that was the Kimley Horn initiative that the city uh 517 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:21,960 embraced and uh this is the one we're moving forward with and is under 518 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,960 construction now. 519 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:29,280 All right. Very good. Thank you, Ryan. Any other comments? Hearing none, we 520 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:34,599 will open that up to public comment if anyone wishes to comment on this plan. 521 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:45,040 Good evening. My name is Don Teter. I live at 21106 South 7th Street and I'm 522 00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:50,000 here to uh talk about 250 Sheet Street uh piece of property that we have that 523 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:55,160 uh is I think erroneously identified as historic property. I didn't know this is 524 00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:16,480 Um you know on page 11 it talks about historic properties and uh by definition 525 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:25,040 um a property has to be built pre1940 and um go on page 12 of the of the 526 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:32,160 overlay plan. It identifies 250 uh Sheet Street as uh uh contributing in regards 527 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:38,240 to the ratings of historic structures. And um 528 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:43,200 the the uh next page in the in the packet there, and I apologize once again 529 00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:48,559 for not having enough of them, but it it identifies 250 Sheet Street as being a 530 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:52,559 historic property. Um well, if you look at the county 531 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:57,680 records, it indicates that it's been it was built in in uh 2000. 532 00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:03,680 And other words, it was constructed that property was constructed in 2000. And if 533 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:09,240 you uh look at the uh the next page, which is a picture of the property, and 534 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,240 you probably can't see it, but 535 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,640 uh 536 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:24,559 by definition, by by your definition, it doesn't meet the the requirements for 537 00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:30,960 historic property. So I I would respect respectfully request that you take it 538 00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:33,520 off of this plan in regards to historic property. Thank you very much for your 539 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,240 time. Very good. Thank you, Todd. 540 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:45,599 Any quick comments from the staff on that or we can just 541 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,839 Yeah, I think the city's database needs to be 542 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,760 updated. Okay, that's my guess. 543 00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:54,960 You don't disagree with that? Okay. No, I don't disagree. We We'll verify and 544 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,240 make sure and if it's an error, we'll fix it. 545 00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:02,640 Okay. Thank you. Anyone else wishing to comment on 546 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:07,119 post? Yes. Hi, my name is Andrew Lane, 127 547 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:13,200 Westwood Drive. Um I am actually um as I was reading 548 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:18,960 through the report and the changes um unfortunately I'm not going to be 549 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:26,240 speaking on the additional um the piece um to the what southwest um but I want 550 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:31,680 to make mention of the uh the current land use that is going on um 551 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:40,480 specifically between the bridges um and then east of North River Road. Um so if 552 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:48,480 W bash landing you know um uh everything that is involved with um Neon Cactus if 553 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:53,680 you look at that map and you see um I think it's the next one down that it 554 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:58,960 talks about the improvements needed. Um, and yeah, so if you look at all those 555 00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:05,280 properties, um, they're all rated in C, repairs needed. Um, and then you also 556 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:11,359 look at them and, um, just generally the majority of that property, which in my 557 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:16,720 opinion, um, riverfront property, um, next to a downtown and in between a 558 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:22,160 downtown and a university, would probably be our most valuable property 559 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:27,680 to have um, and to, um, and to leverage. um for housing because all of that is 560 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:32,400 parking. All all of it, you know, the neon cactus that the levy, all of that 561 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:38,800 is is parking. If you look, we have a great park, Tapoingo, with no houses 562 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:43,680 anywhere near it. Um, and then for me as someone who um I spend a lot of time 563 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:48,240 both downtown Lafayette and uh West Lafayette and campus and you know as a 564 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:53,440 resident of West Lafayette um I like to walk back 565 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:58,559 you know to and from uh the cities and I don't know if you've done it or not. 566 00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:05,280 It's a hike like uh you know I'm I'm pretty uh active and I guess a little 567 00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:11,119 more willing to uh walk the extra mile quite literally. Um but 568 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:16,319 I think it should be in consideration in the planning of the development um with 569 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:22,880 the area planning commission that there needs to be a reduction in uh commercial 570 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:29,359 property zoning there um and and honestly an increase in residential and 571 00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:34,559 if there is any way um that you know the city can uh be involved or the county 572 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:41,760 can be involved to help uh bring more of that to the public use and to the 573 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:48,880 citizens of West Lafayette um to be used 365 days a year and not just you know to 574 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:53,920 be partially used by the students that are in the closest proximity to it. Um, 575 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:58,960 so I think as our one of our most valuable resources in the area, uh, we 576 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:04,400 should definitely, um, capitalize on it and and try to keep the members of our 577 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:10,960 community in the center of our community. And because if uh, any of you 578 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:14,319 are from here or or uh uh, you know, have lived here for very long, uh, I 579 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,920 don't know how many times you've gone into the W bash landing, any of those 580 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:22,000 stores. you know, uh there's a couple 581 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:25,440 restaurants that are nice, but you know, any of the the larger stores, they just 582 00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:29,200 don't get foot traffic because people don't live there. 583 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:34,160 You know, uh their apartments and their students apartments. So, please um let's 584 00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:40,400 push for more housing in our most valuable section. Um and thank you for 585 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:46,440 your time and everything. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Anyone else 586 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:46,440 wishing to speak the plan? 587 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:59,040 Zachary Bale, 124 Connelly Street. Um, appreciated hearing some of the 588 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:04,319 conversation at the top. Um, so as as we discussed earlier, um, there 589 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,520 was the Sullivan that was approved and apparently we can't even follow the the 590 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:11,599 plan when it exists there because that was a PDMX sixtory when it was 591 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:17,440 previously previously designated as a downtown edge fourstory max. Um, while 592 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,599 I'm sure I could speak to other portions of this plan um that are concerning, my 593 00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:25,760 comments today are focused on the north central area currently designated as two 594 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:29,839 to four-story downtown edge zones along Fowler, Wiggins, and North Streets, 595 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,880 which is uh above the New Chanty neighborhood where I live. Want to make 596 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:37,920 sure that it's on the record that the new Chanty neighborhood had a land use 597 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:42,800 plan since 2013, so 7 years prior to this 2020 downtown plan's approval. 598 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,480 And if the Oakwood Village neighborhood is the main thrust of this amendment as 599 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,920 stated and it is to the southwest of the originally designated downtown area, why 600 00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:54,000 are we updating and densifying the north central portion of the plan? This seems 601 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:59,200 to be another attempt to change the terms of the 2020 plan mid-stream to the 602 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:03,520 benefit of developers and generate potential additional tax revenue. I've 603 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,960 yet to hear any convincing argument articulated by city officials elected or 604 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:10,880 appointed why this change is something the community should celebrate and 605 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:16,160 support. What I have heard, as you heard also from uh people here tonight, is 606 00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:19,599 opposition from this particular proposal. While it's often been said 607 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,559 over the past decades that large-scale student apartment developments will draw 608 00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:26,720 students out of the new chanty neighborhood, we have not seen this bear 609 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:31,520 out empirically. New chanty was 60% rentals in 2013. According to the land 610 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:34,800 use plan, I know my nearby streets have fallen to more rentals, transient guest 611 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:38,720 houses, and kitty condos since that time. It's a smaller sample of course, 612 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,240 but it supports the assertion that owner occupancy has gone down in the 613 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:46,319 neighborhood, not up. And I look forward to seeing the updated data that the city 614 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:50,400 of West Lafayette is currently gathering on the non owner and non-owner occupied 615 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:54,640 distribution of housing in West Lafayette. 616 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:57,839 There's also a stated goal, goal one, objective C, which is to ensure new 617 00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,119 development is appropriately sized for compatible with historic structures. 618 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,400 With the current increase from a four-story to a six-story maximum, how 619 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:07,520 does this plan meet the particular objective? Possibly six-story buildings 620 00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:10,960 will be across the street from single family homes which belong in a 621 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,480 designated historic district along with the east portion of Fowler to the 622 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:17,359 detriment of my neighborhood no goal or objective states that it will ensure the 623 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,280 preservation of the new chanty neighborhood. There's a strategy that 624 00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:25,200 says developing zone tools to ensure that redevelopment efforts adjacent to 625 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,640 historic assets are appropriate in scale and style, similar to what was talked 626 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:32,400 about with some of the housing and buildings before. But again, the 627 00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:35,760 downtown plan is silent on abiding existing plans, goals, and objectives 628 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:40,880 such as the new chanty land use plan from 2013 and the historic district that 629 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:43,839 it resides in. If one overlays the new chanty land use map with this 630 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,960 amendments, you can clearly see the six-story proposal is not appropriately 631 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,799 sized given the single family homes in this area. I've made a map and I'll 632 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:55,280 provide that to you after my comments here. I would encourage uh future maps 633 00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:58,480 made by the APC staff to include the surrounding areas to provide everyone 634 00:56:56,799 --> 00:57:03,119 with insight into what transitions and abutments are being proposed. And also 635 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,960 one final point, this amendment also decouples the height information that 636 00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:10,559 was previously associated with block designations. For instance, the downtown 637 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:15,119 edge description no longer states that it should be two to four stories. So in 638 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,200 summary, uh asking you to oppose this draft amendment as written, remove the 639 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,920 proposals of densification along Fowler, Wiggins, and North Streets, returning to 640 00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:25,680 the original two to fourtory classification that was designated for 641 00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:29,680 the downtown edge, and help ensure there is more opportunity for public input and 642 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:33,200 its representatives to argue, debate, and discuss this important question that 643 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:39,200 is before us today. The future of my neighborhood depends on it. Thank you. 644 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:43,079 Very good. Thank you. Um, anyone else wishing to speak to this? 645 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:58,559 Hi everybody. I'm Jay McCann. I live at 902 Vine Street. Um, thanks very much 646 00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:01,920 for this opportunity to speak. Uh, Ryan, it's been a while since we worked 647 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:07,920 together. I was a member of the original 2013 land use steering committee 648 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:13,040 for New Chy. Um, so I'll just lend my voice to what, uh, Zachary just 649 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:18,319 circulated. Um, uh, yeah, I'd like to see the APC retain the downtown edge 650 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:24,720 buffer between Fowler and North Street. I I really do think that the the the 651 00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:29,920 original uh plan in 2013 and it was uh echoed in 2020 was to allow for some 652 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:35,280 reasonable development and density along the periphery of Neutron City but then 653 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:42,960 step down uh rather quickly and make it you know much more uh uh family housing 654 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:46,240 oriented. Um so um so just you know that that's my piece and and it sounds like 655 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:50,640 you've gotten a lot of other input as well through various channels. Uh let me 656 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:55,520 also commend Ryan for for your point about uh wanting more forums like this 657 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:59,280 especially with in the neighborhoods. I think that's important as we take the 658 00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:05,240 next steps. Thanks. Now very good. Thank you Jay. Anyone else 659 00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:05,240 wishing to speak to this? 660 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:16,119 Anyone else? I'm sure someone here wants to make a comment. 661 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:31,280 My name is Katherine Gman. I live at 705 North Chony. And I just want to speak on 662 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:36,079 the record that um really just lending my support to what Zach said and what 663 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:41,200 Jay said. I will just add that I've lived here only 30 years, which may not 664 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:45,280 uh entitle me to say that I'm from here, but I've raised my children here in that 665 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:51,280 neighborhood. It is a jewel of a neighborhood and I just think that we 666 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:59,920 all should be on board to do everything that we can to protect this near campus 667 00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:04,000 walkable neighborhood. And so my uh my uh main 668 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:09,280 point again is that buffer zone should be honored. And I did notice on the two 669 01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:15,839 maps, as I think Jay just said, so sorry for the repetition, but I'm a slow 670 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:23,440 learner, that in the map of 2020, it says um designated the buffer area, 671 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:28,400 those, you know, uh between uh north and uh Wiggins 672 01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:33,280 is designated as stories could be two to four, but on the amendment, it just says 673 01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:37,119 four. I don't know if that's semantics or if it matters or I don't know if the 674 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:42,480 intention is to go higher and not to go lower, but anything we can do that 675 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:49,119 protects that one neighborhood, the one I live in, uh I think it's worth all of 676 01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:54,880 our efforts. Other thing I want to say that's only indirectly related is that 677 01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:58,640 sometimes I hear that all the housing going up is going to benefit the new 678 01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:01,839 Chrony neighborhood. I'm not convinced. And the reason I say that is I talked to 679 01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:05,680 a lot of students. I'll be recorded 680 01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:07,440 and they don't want Can I continue? 681 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,559 No, continue, please. I They don't all want to live in 682 01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:19,760 highrises and it's 50% more than living in New Chanty. So, I'm not sure that 683 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:25,359 Let's see how to say this. The highrises are good for Purdue. They 684 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:30,599 need them. We need Purdue. So, there it is. but it's not helping new chanc 685 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:42,799 uh as a R1 single family houses that from which sometimes we have lots of 686 01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:46,119 kids who go to our schools and we support that. 687 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:53,200 Thank you. Very good. Thank you. Just sign in at 688 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:56,880 the table, please. Anyone else wishing to comment? 689 01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:13,520 anyone else? Okay, now back to staff. What what we've 690 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:16,799 we've had some comments. Yes. Um 691 01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:20,400 where do we need to go from here? Maybe that's a question. 692 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:26,480 Yeah, from here. Um, and I like I said, I have received a a lot of emails and um 693 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:31,599 I I do promise to uh reply to everyone that um I haven't gotten that many that 694 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,520 I can't I can't reply to everybody. So, I will reply to everybody. So, uh and 695 01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:39,920 there's some people in this room that have emailed me that uh that I will 696 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:47,920 reply to. um and others that are not here that h that I will um you know and 697 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:54,559 so uh the the objective now is to uh kind of gather what we have. We'll 698 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:58,720 continue to leave the the uh comment uh opportunity, you know, uh open, you 699 01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:05,280 know, on our website. You know, you can continue to email comments, send them, 700 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:12,240 call in. Um, but I'll be scheduling time with the city staff essentially to bring 701 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:17,680 all these together uh get them organized into where their essential component 702 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:23,039 parts so we can start seeing where the changes need to be directed and then um 703 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:30,640 you know start to identify where we need to start making some uh amendments. Um 704 01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:36,000 and then um my task will then be and my primary uh person of contact is the 705 01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:40,799 development director Jian Skyber and uh she's sort of like you know the maestro 706 01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:44,880 here. So when I'm done with that I all right where do you want this to go from 707 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,680 here? So once we have an amended draft I'll kind of ask well where do you want 708 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:52,160 how do you want this presented? Do you want us to do another presentation like 709 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:56,240 perhaps in this forum perhaps something over in West Lafayette? You know and so 710 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,200 some some place. so the public can see it. Obviously, we can post it on our 711 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:05,599 website. We can do another media blast, another outreach, uh let people look at 712 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:10,240 the second draft and see if it speaks to their concerns. 713 01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:14,880 Um ultimately the hope is is that, you know, with the second draft, oh, we 714 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:19,520 don't get any comments. Everyone's like, "Okay, that that nails it. Let's let's 715 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:24,160 move forward." And so um and then I think we'll we'll feel confident you 716 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:29,200 know bringing that second potentially third draft uh to this body and then 717 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:33,839 into the approval process. Okay. So that answers my question. 718 01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:37,599 Approval is the approval process is typically the public hearing back to the 719 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,440 ordinance committee then to the plan commission then back to city of West 720 01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:44,960 Lafayette city council. Correct. For ordinance. 721 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:52,319 Right. So, we'll have at the very least, you know, three public hearings ahead of 722 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:57,599 us um with uh with a a revision, you know, that uh reflects things we've 723 01:04:54,240 --> 01:05:03,200 heard tonight, things that we've already received and um so we'll get on it. 724 01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:09,680 Okay. Very good. Thank you. Any other comments from the commission? area just 725 01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:17,119 just to for the people here tonight. Uh we I can also um uh 726 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:24,400 forward that I forward is not the right word, but give you that information too 727 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:30,720 as Ryan puts out new uh uh drafts as as new drafts come forward, as 728 01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:37,440 changes are made and they become public, uh I can notify on uh council 729 01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:43,960 quicknotes. um you know that that's come that's a that's out there. You can see 730 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,960 it and where you can find it. 731 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:52,079 And I'll make sure on the cover page we kind of had the date. This was the the 732 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:57,280 August, you know, so that it'll kind of be archived. So for those folks like 733 01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:01,039 that guy over there, not Nick, you you might do it too, Nick, 734 01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:04,960 but but definitely that guy. um you know you those who want to compare and 735 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:09,920 contrast you know we you can do that but we'll have a new date for whenever it'll 736 01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:12,920 be whether probably be October my guess so 737 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,000 very good we're done with 738 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:23,520 we're done with this item we're done with this item so next on the 739 01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:27,640 agenda is just citizens comments anyone have any comments in general 740 01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:31,520 please come forward 741 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:40,240 Is this on? Okay. Hi, I'm sorry. I'm really nervous. Uh, my name is Noel 742 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:45,440 Hill. I live at 107 Deadsh Court and I work at 200 West State Street located 743 01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:49,680 right in this area. Um, and I know this is just public comments, but just in 744 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:53,599 general, while we're discussing, you know, this plan to develop West 745 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:58,880 Lafayette and while we're thinking about all this, I don't know because I haven't 746 01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:01,680 read the document, but I really think all these concerns that have been 747 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:06,880 brought are very valid, but also I would just like to speak to the staggering of 748 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:12,480 development because um, I personally have felt very impacted by construction. 749 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:16,240 Um, you know, it impacts my business every day. it impacts my livelihood and 750 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,920 I know all these things are going to be great for the community long term but 751 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:24,319 while we're talking about things like the commute um you know and I'm sure the 752 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:30,480 people who live in this area as well have felt this but just as I don't know 753 01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:33,920 if there's any sort of like system in place to like kind of control for that 754 01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:38,880 but if there is not I think that there should be because it is hard on the 755 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:44,160 community when we have multiple roads closed and areas that are hard to 756 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:47,839 traverse and It just can be very hard on everyone. So, I really appreciate you 757 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:52,400 guys. Okay. Thanks for your comments. If you'd 758 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:55,960 sign in over there, please. Any other citizens comments? 759 01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:01,440 Hearing none. We'll take that last motion. 760 01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:05,559 Move to journ. So, we are ajourned. Thanks everybody. 761 01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:27,239 This and this is the original these 762 01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:27,239 blocks are listed as two to four 763 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:33,759 buildings. Okay. In the new document, these are 764 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:37,839 sixtory buildings, right? So, we just try to increase the 765 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:42,080 density, I assume. 766 01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:45,920 I really appreciate this map. I want to see side by side, top to 767 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:48,960 bottom. I don't care. Whatever. 768 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:55,520 All right. I'm going to chastise you for what they You are too smart to be 769 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:58,880 shooting rumors back at me. So, it's a rumor. 770 01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:00,719 I'm letting you know what I hear. That's why I said it was a rumor. I'm letting 771 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,440 you know. Okay. 772 01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:06,080 Well, you sound like you sounded like you believed that rumor. 773 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:09,199 What's the rumor? I didn't hear it. Beth, the mayor and the and and 774 01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:16,000 the city the the city staff and the council 775 01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:20,480 are all doing this so we can create more money and help the developers. 776 01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:22,640 Well, no push increase development in that area 777 01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:28,199 and help the developers. I'm letting you know that's perception 778 01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:28,199 that's out there. So 779 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:35,679 it's not true. You can spread that fact. Spread that fact. 780 01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:39,920 But thanks for the math. Yeah, no problem. 781 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:44,159 No, I think that it was critical. It came to me like two iterations in 782 01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:48,080 overlay. I really appreciate it because I'm 783 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:52,719 constantly like I I need to see the current one, too. So, 784 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:56,640 you do have I mean, you can complain about the Sullivan. Across the street 785 01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:00,080 from the Sullivan is a four-story building that's on the north side of 786 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,840 Fowler, but it's already in our plane one. Like, 787 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:08,960 we knew that given up. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. But we the the 788 01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:12,480 whole plan was we negotiated density here, 789 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:15,840 but now we're trying to increase density along where we don't have 790 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:20,960 And I think you heard I think you heard people are open to that. 791 01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:24,840 No problem. Now I can look at the rest of the 792 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,320 Thank you. I appreciate it. I really appreciate your response. 793 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:32,239 Okay. So, thank you. He said, "Yeah, I didn't mean 794 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:36,000 I was buying those hook lines for him to give you a flavor of 795 01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:40,400 We have too many rumors flying around town these days." 796 01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:45,600 I mean, to your point, too, having um your uh your council quick. 797 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:51,199 I think that's great. Well, it it was a it was a response for 798 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:54,719 those people who who don't pay attention, right, 799 01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:59,760 and and say, "Well, you never told us about this." They wanted me to like 800 01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:02,960 create my own newsletter. Why would I do that when the city has 801 01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:07,760 You want it hand delivered? You want You want us to put door hangers on? 802 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:12,000 Yeah. Pay attention. There is a 803 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,000 responsibility.