Is there anybody has not signed up that
would like to speak? My apologies.
>> No.
» No.
>> Okay. Thank you. We'll move on to the
» Okay. Thank you. We'll move on to the
next item. General discussion. The
Tomball City Council and the city staff
will enter enter into a workshop session
to discuss the citywide compensation
and benefit study.
Miss Lewis, it's yours.
>> Thank you, Mayor Pro Council. So, um
» Thank you, Mayor Pro Council. So, um
this evening we this item is to discuss
where we are our findings with our
compensation and benefit study. our
primary consultant with McGrath Melena
Hayes is here by Zoom to give us that
overview.
>> And good evening. Can everyone hear me?
» And good evening. Can everyone hear me?
Okay.
» Yes, we can hear you.
>> Excellent. Good evening. Um I do have a
» Excellent. Good evening. Um I do have a
slide deck um that I would like to
share. Oh, there we go. Looks like we
got that looks like we got that taken
care of here. Let me just get my slide
deck moved over. I'm going to keep this
in Well, actually here. I apologize. Um,
there we go.
There we go. Sorry about that. My name
is Melena Halbertson Mace. I am a senior
consultant with McGrath human resources
group and I am the primary project
manager that has been uh working with
the city for the last couple of months.
And so I felt that it would be better
for me to just uh give you a a couple
slide decks just to walk through where
we are at with this project because it
is not uh it is not yet complete. But we
wanted to give you uh give you an update
and let you know everything uh that is
still to come. Um so just to to dive
right in when we work on compensation
systems um what we have a very specific
methodology that we will put into each
of our projects. The first thing that we
do is we meet with administration and
human resources and we will meet with
the leadership of each of the
departments so that we can start to
understand the organization, your goals,
your needs, your challenges, things of
that nature. And at very more
importantly or not more importantly but
equal importantly with the departments,
we're actually talking with the
departments about their operations and
each of the positions and what those
positions are responsible to do. So that
when we do go out to the external
market, we are making sure that we are
collecting the relevant uh salary data
so that we can do a meaningful
comparison of of the city against the
rest of your comparator comparator
group. When we have all of that, then um
as we're receiving that, then we're
taking a look at your current
compensation system, your job
descriptions, your policies. How are you
currently compensating? what does your
system look like? We go out to the
market um and we collect the minimum,
the midpoint, and the maximum of the
salary ranges for the comparable for the
comparable positions. That helps us
understand what your salary ranges are
doing against the external markets
salary ranges. And then we also take a
look at incumbent rates of pay. Um,
incumbent rate of pay sometimes tells a
little bit of a different story where
there may be a somewhat of a pressure in
a very specific position and we might
see that all of those incumbents are
heading towards the maximum that that
gives us an indication that the ranges
might say one thing but actual wages are
telling us something different. So we
collect all of that and then we also
will utilize the economic research
institute otherwise called ERRI just so
that we can get um an understanding of
other regions along with the private the
private sector. We also then asked for
employees to complete what's called a
position questionnaire in addition to
the meetings that we had with your
department directors to learn about
about the positions and and having the
job descriptions. We wanted to hear
directly from the employees. Those
employees, all of the information that
they provided to us in terms of their
responsibilities within their role was
reviewed by their supervisors before it
was provided back to McGrath so that we
could adequately run a position uh
analysis. And at this point, because our
studies, they take several months. Um at
that point when we got through that
analysis what was determined was uh you
know take the existing compensation
system that the city has and updated
against the external comparable market
and then um and then we will continue to
work um towards our probably our what I
would consider our more long-term
recommendations uh for you. So, what
you're going to see here this evening
are the the the recommendations um and
then what we're hoping will be some
future opportunities for the city.
These are the the list of comparable
organizations that we went out to
collect uh market data. You will see
it's a very comprehensive list from
within uh your immediate region. And
then um we also went out like I said to
the economic research institute that
allows us to receive information um on
in the private sector and that it also
lets us take a look at other areas
within the Texas region if we wanted to
compare what the Houston market is doing
against say the San Antonio market or
the Dallas market etc etc. So when we
did that then what we did was we studied
each of your positions that we were able
to benchmark and a highlevel overview of
our findings is listed here in a
nutshell. Um I don't want to spend a lot
of time talking about the the salary
range minimums that percentages that you
see on the screen. And the reason why um
is because you this this really does go
into what your salary how your structure
is at this point. We're going to talk
about that here in a in a future slide.
But what I've done here for you is I've
broken down um to give you a percentage
highlevel look at the percentage of
positions that are at a competitive
market range. Those that are within 5%
in most cases would still be considered
market uh market competitive, but we
really have to pay very very close
attention to them because if the city
doesn't take any action on them soon,
they're going to slip in the market and
they're going to lose their
effectiveness. And then the bottom
number is uh the percentage of positions
that was greater than 5% from the market
which would deem them to be too far away
from our um from our findings to to
consider to be to be market aligned. And
what you're seeing here big picture is
that the majority of the positions um
are are um you know there's not any one
particular area that that um is tell is
is everything that the whole model
itself is is um is out of market but you
do have close to half of your positions
that were found to be under the relative
market. the other um you know the
remaining other half of them they're
doing okay. And so um you know that it
really does um go into when when the
city is not making economic adjustments
to their to their salary ranges for a
period of years, you're going to a
little bit more quicker fall behind in
the market. So when the city indicated
to us that there actually has not been
an economic adjustment on to the ranges
even though the employees have received
increases,
these numbers are not necessarily
surprising to me. And what that results
then in is that not only do your ranges
need to be adjusted, but there may be
some additional positions within each of
those paygrades that need to move to
better uh to better reflect uh the
external market. because the ultimate
goal here is to make sure that your
salary ranges are going to help benefit
the city in terms of your retention and
your recruitment.
So with that then the other area that we
started taking a look at is your
demographics and how that relates to to
you know where it is that we believe
that the city needs to go. When we look
at you overall as an organization,
you your your your average tenure in the
organization is not quite as high as the
national average is. Um the national
average is of for public sector is 6.4
years and the city is at about 5.4 years
which means you're not holding on to
your human capital as long as uh as long
as we would like. you have 59% of your
employees that are under the age of 40.
And this really is more where your risk
area is because um the that is the
workforce right now, that age group.
They're the ones that tend to leave an
organization for a better opportunity
and they're a little bit more mobile. I
will say not to say that those that are
over 40 are not mobile. They absolutely
are. But um those that are under 40,
it's it's um it's almost expected that
unless they are going to embrace the
organization and be compensated what
they believe that their worth is that
they are going to leave. Your risk does
not appear to be for retirements. You
don't have very many people in the
pipeline that are going to be turning
over for that reason. So really uh
really the the focus or the the strategy
of the city when we are looking at it is
your compensation, your career
development opportunities so you can
grow and develop those folks to help
keep them there. That's going to tie
into the benefits which will be coming
uh that that which will be coming to
you. And so we we do recommend here that
um that you that you focus a little bit
more on retention and the
competitiveness of the ranges than
necessarily maybe worrying about
retirements coming up. So with that,
what does that have to do with anything?
Well, it has a lot to do with your
compensation structure. And um we found
that in our market findings as well
because we were looking at those
minimums and you have you know a you
know you have a fair number of positions
that are a little bit lower in the
minimums. What you have right now is you
have a 50% spread from the minimum
number to the maximum number. And when
you are considering that, okay, um what
we want is for your employees to get as
close to the midpoint as um as as
quickly as possible. And the reason
being is that the midpoint really is
your market number. 25% spread from
minimum to midpoint. Right now based
upon the last study that you did the the
pathway is approximately or the plan is
about 10 years and right now in this
current market um that we are
experiencing all across the United
States 10 years is too long. So there is
going to have to be a mechanism to get
your employees elevated up to that
midpoint. it. We need to accelerate them
faster or we have to um revisit your
salary ranges and whether or not that
widespread that you have is really
working for you because the minimums are
are too low. They're not they're not
necessarily helpful for you and it the
pathway for your employees could
potentially be too long and then they
get frustrated and they find a better
opportunity and they leave. So in
addition to that, because the city has
not actually done any economic
adjustments on those ranges themselves,
that has continued to compound your
position in the market. And that's why
it might be surprising to you when you
see the percentage of positions that
were under market. Um but but to us that
that makes um absolute sense. Now
certainly you know this is just looking
at your ranges not necessarily your
employee um rates of pay about where
where they are at. This is really just
looking at um at the structure at the
structure only.
So when we go into recommendations
there's really two areas uh that we
focus on. The first one is compensation
philosophy and the second one is
compensation strategy. And there really
is a difference between the two of them.
The compensation philosophy of an
organization is going to define um your
approach to your compensation. It's
where you want to compete within your
market and that then helps us establish
where where do we need to take from
there. And historically the city it's my
understanding has held a 50th percentile
compensation philosophy and that that is
continuing to this day. So the
recommendations that we built for the
city at this point are based on on that
existing compensation philosophy.
The compensation strategy, however, is
really what do we do with that
philosophy in or in order to make it
happen? What are those action items
going to be? It's going to be what your
structure looks like, what your policies
look like, how often are you going to do
market reviews, um things of of that
nature. So how do we how do we make that
50th percentile or average market
compensation? How do how do we execute
it? So the philosophy sets the direction
and the strategy here delivers the
results. And I think that that's
important. Those are two very important
distinctions as we walk through what our
our uh pre what I'll call our
preliminary recommendations.
recommendations for you to be able to
get working on on the budget or finalize
the budget, I should say, while the
human resources director and I continue
to um finalize the report or the the
study. So, our overall recommendations
for the city um was to take your
existing salary ranges and to update
them uh to better align to that target
point of the 50th percentile. though.
So, we left that alone and that also
then resulted in some additional
positions that needed to go into new pay
grades. Um, those pay grades I have
studied those those changes. I do not
believe that we have interrupted any
type of internal comparability. Um, I
think that we are we will be we will be
okay um with that. And with that then
means all right well now we have all of
your employees in their salary ranges
and what happens with them and I there
may be some questions to that. Um the
the intent as I understand it at this
point is uh a cola adjustment along with
my my recommendations on the market
adjustments for those particular salary
ranges.
With that in mind, this is almost a All
right, this is the the pin in the
project as of where we are at as of
today. We still have a little bit more
work to do. We have a pretty pretty
comprehensive list to go. Um the first
one is is that I do want to talk with
your city administration and human
resources about making some adjustments
to your salary structure. And um you
know I think that the structure itself
is going to look very similar to what it
is right now. But I think that you've
got some opportunities to relieve a
little bit of compression and to think
about and talk about what is that
strategy to get your employees to that
um more competitive midpoint in a more
um reasonable number of years. Um, we're
going to take a look at your
compensation policy and uh provide some
long-term recommendations on whether or
not anything might need to uh be
changed. And we will also review
compression. Compression is that
separation between ranks, but it also
might be separation within a respective
um salary range. One of the interesting
things that we found with your fire
operations is that you have a unique um
you have a unique annual divisor that
you use. Um we will have some
recommendations on how the city might be
able to adjust that so that you are more
aligned with what we would find in the
external market based upon what the work
schedule of the department is. We're
looking at your benefits, how those you
know what opportunities are out there
for the organization. They may be um
very modest adjustments and that become
very meaningful when you're looking at
the total package that that you are able
to offer your employees. We're taking a
look at your certification and
skill-based pay which is um you know it
is uh very significant in the state of
Texas. We know that and so that analysis
is is just about complete. And the last
thing that we are going to talk about
here is your compensation philosophy and
your position in market. Um, and we'll
start that conversation with your
administration and human resources and
talk about if there's any appetite in
the future to talk about something over
the the 50th percentile. You are in a
very very um difficult market. the
Houston market, it's very very
aggressive and um perhaps positioning
you a little bit higher than the average
will will work better for you,
especially if the city opts not to do
annual economic adjustments on the
salary ranges because what otherwise
happens is when the rest of the e when
the rest of the world kind of goes on
without you, okay, in in that in that
essence, what happens is that you don't
necessarily have a parachute underneath
you um it won't take more than a couple
of years. I would say probably not more
than two years and all of the sudden
you're going to find that you're no
longer at that market again. Um, and so
by positioning you maybe a little bit
more a little elevated above that
average, what it's basically doing is
it's giving you a little bit of cushion.
That way, if you're not making annual um
economic adjustments, which I do
recommend that you do, but if you don't
make economic adjustments on an annual
basis to the ranges, those ranges are
still going to continue to be market
competitive. Maybe not at the 55th or
the 60th percentile, but it will still
at least be the average. And that is
going to give you some longevity in your
ranges and and you know so therefore
hopefully you won't necessarily see as
big a swings in in your ranges as what
you might have um coming up here in the
next year. So a lot to take in. I I
talked really fast. I should tell you
all I'm from I'm from Wisconsin and
sometimes I talk fast because of that
and I apologize. Uh, but I'd like to
talk about any questions that the
council might have if that is
appropriate to do so.
>> This time, is there any comments or
» This time, is there any comments or
questions from council?
>> How often do you think you ought to do a
» How often do you think you ought to do a
rate adjustment? Every year.
>> So, the ranges themselves should be
» So, the ranges themselves should be
adjusted every year. Yes. Um, now, and
that there's some caveats to that. If
there's an economic decline, then no,
probably not. that's not going to
happen. But we do re we do recommend
that even if it's a modest adjustment
each year, it helps you when you do the
when you do a market update in the
future, you know, usually every 3 to 5
years is what we recommend for that. Um
we don't want those to be big financial
spikes. And so the more that you can put
on there each year, it's going to
flatten those spikes down when it is
time to do a market update.
We did our last rate adjustment three
years ago.
>> That's right.
» That's right.
>> Yeah, that's about right.
» Yeah, that's about right.
>> And we chose at that time we had a whole
» And we chose at that time we had a whole
different group of cities than what you
chose. And I meant you're taking the
Houston market and we were taking the
same close to the same size cities
as we are. So you're just saying because
we're close to Houston, we've got to use
a different market now. Well, what we
are finding is that wages are re very
regionalized and the um you know we we
think about your flow of your human
capital. Where are you bringing them in
from and where do you run the risk that
you're losing them to? And that is you
know usually going to be very much the
Houston market because people in and and
their travels. We did study um we
studied Dallas, we studied Austin. Um
and I do believe that there was another
metro area that we studied because when
you think about your leadership
positions, your department directors
probably you are you are um recruiting
more on a statewide basis. So we do have
that information. But sometimes it's if
you are if we're trying to compare your
your market, your wages against a
community, and I'm just going to say in
the San Antonio region, two very
different markets um with two very
different needs. And the San Antonio
market isn't helping um the Houston
market. So I would recommend yes, stay
as close to the Houston market for the
for the majority of your positions as
you can.
I have a question with the uh like
police department. We made some
adjustments last year due to
county and city getting um raises and
bumps in their salary because it was
necessary at that time. Was this taken
into account in in your analysis?
So, we studied um we studied the wages
that you that you are at um that you are
at this year and um overall I think that
what you're going to find um is that
there is uh more um modest changes
that's going to be needed from your um
from your police officers perhaps than
um than other positions. So the work
that you did last year is helping to
support um you know not needing a
significant change this year
>> on on the fire department uh shift
» on on the fire department uh shift
scheduling. What what are you seeing uh
different from either a standard 2448 or
48.96 staffing schedule?
>> Yes. So on the 24 Yeah, I'm sorry.
» Yes. So on the 24 Yeah, I'm sorry.
you're on the 48.96 and we don't
recommend that you change that. You
know, that's absolutely operational and
that's very common. So, uh within within
the fire service, especially in in the
state of Texas, um so the the there's a
difference between a pay period and a
work period according to the Fair Labor
Standards Act. And so you can establish
because your your fire and your police,
but your you know specifically to your
fire because they're working these you
know 24 48 hour shifts. How do you
calculate their overtime and at what
point does that kick in? And you
>> what's that?
» what's that?
>> You're you're ch you you'd recommend
» You're you're ch you you'd recommend
changing from a 106 to a 212.
I am recommending that you take a look
at a at a 28day model and that you go to
a 212.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> You're welcome.
» So to give you an idea, mayor, mayor
prom and council about what effect it is
on the budget and what we have budgeted
in those numbers. So based on what uh
Melena has described, can you go back to
the to the breakdown of what is the
percentage of our positions to the 50th
percentile? No, that little um
>> so what that is showing is just our pay
» so what that is showing is just our pay
plan, not the individual uh employees.
But when you So what that means is the
recommendation and the reason why we
didn't want to put it in writing is
because it can be misconstrued the
percentages of the of the cost. So to
move our current pay plan just move the
the men's the max the the midpoints and
the max to a competitive comparable uh
pay plan. That is an 8.9% move.
So but that doesn't mean in dollars. So
what it means in actual cost based on
the individual and where they're at and
this is where it comes into play the
work and the adjustments that we made
last year for public safety and those
type of things. It has helped
tremendously because that cost to move
people to the bare minimum to the new
market pay plan and to meet their time
and position. So, like let's say
somebody's been in their position 5
years, they should move five years into
that um job range. That cost to move to
the new plan is $320,000.
So, about I would say
um less than 3%. So, it's about 2%. So,
it fell right in to do the market
adjustments.
>> So, that gets us to minimum. And then of
» So, that gets us to minimum. And then of
course to make sure that we stay ahead.
That doesn't mean everybody gets right
>> that that amount. Some people you know
» that that amount. Some people you know
like she was saying uh I think right now
the the biggest uh department as a whole
and then there's there's there's some um
even breakdown within departments but as
department as a whole public works is a
re is the ones that are falling behind
right now. Public safety is doing better
because of the estimate we did last
year, but we're talking about overall,
so the cost to just move everybody to
market to the new pay plan is about
$320,000,
about 2 and a half% of what we budgeted
based of our baseline salaries. You add
the 3% cola to make sure that we keep
moving people along in their in their
section. So, you're looking at right
about 5% and we budgeted 9%. The
remaining is what we're working with
Melina on what suggestion is going to be
because we could continue the
performance-based merit system. I think
that has helped. That's why this market
adjustment has not been as big as it
could have been if we were just going
along with colas every year. Um, or we
can start looking at our pay plan and
start getting it towards a a uh
structure that best fits the
demographics of today. Like she said,
our our pay plan is a is based on a
20-year career. We could start
shortening that. People would would
progress quicker in their job every
year. I would say that if we do that, we
would probably have to pull back if not
eliminate the merit-based system because
then people would go too far too fast in
their job description. So th those are
all the things that we're weighing right
now. Um
but what I can tell you is as you can
tell that we are well within the
budgeted numbers that we have in the
budget.
I'm gonna say something that probably
not be very popular, but is there any
way that if I keep hearing every every
year that, you know, people don't care
about the longevity? In other words, I'm
going to stay here 20 years. Do we want
to grandfather in the people that have
been here for 10 or 15 years, keep them
in, and then do away with that policy
and bring in something else?
that I mean that definitely can be, you
know, as we go through these iterations
about what that means because it's the
impact of these long-term employ. It's
11%.
>> So really there's not well 11% of 55 and
» So really there's not well 11% of 55 and
older. Um but I see what you're saying,
>> but you grandfather those people in that
» but you grandfather those people in that
have been here so many years
and then you do away with the policy
because if what I keep hearing is it
doesn't keep anybody
I mean, I've heard that now four or five
years.
>> Define what you mean by
» Define what you mean by
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> grandfathering it.
» grandfathering it.
>> A lot of corporation, A lot of
» A lot of corporation, A lot of
corporations years ago did away with
health insurance when she got 65
>> and those kind of benefits.
» and those kind of benefits.
>> Okay. But if you'd been with the company
» Okay. But if you'd been with the company
for and you were say 40 years old and
you'd been with the company 25 years or
45, I don't remember how many 50 years
old and then you were grandfathered in
and you got to keep that policy. But the
new hires like that because they don't
care. They just want the money.
That's what I just heard.
>> So you're talking about the total
» So you're talking about the total
benefit package. Okay, I see what you're
saying.
>> And then you could cut back on and then
» And then you could cut back on and then
you could give the money to them more.
You don't have to worry about the long
term,
>> right?
» right?
>> I got you.
» I got you.
>> We do have something similar to that on
» We do have something similar to that on
um retiree insurance um subsidy between
before they hit 65 and then they go on
to um Medicare. Um if you were hired
before
2014, I believe it was, then that pol,
>> right? So then those retirees,
» right? So then those retirees,
>> that's it.
» that's it.
>> Could benefit from that. We did an
» Could benefit from that. We did an
analysis. I think there's Christie, how
many is there left? Two. Two that are
taking advantage and they're going to
fall off of that this next year. So then
we talked about, well, if we move that
deadline instead of 2014 and move it up
to 2020, it adds two people potentially
to that. So budget impact is a wash and
I think it gives those employees that
have been here what I think what you're
suggesting.
>> Yeah. I want to keep I mean, you know
» Yeah. I want to keep I mean, you know
what I'm saying is I don't want to
penalize the people that have been here,
>> but if you're going to be your new hires
» but if you're going to be your new hires
and stuff like that that you're saying
by this lady saying they don't really
care anything but the salary. They're
not looking at keeping a lifetime.
>> Yeah. The tenure in in these positions
» Yeah. The tenure in in these positions
are very short.
>> And I mean, what's your thoughts, uh,
» And I mean, what's your thoughts, uh,
Chief Davis, on this
>> right now? when you see everything how
» right now? when you see everything how
the market is going, what what uh other
agencies are doing, they're frontloading
money. So, basically what they're saying
is that we're going to take this money,
we're going to frontload it because we
don't anticipate you retiring with us.
That's right. And so, what they're doing
is they're frontloading that money. So,
I I'll make you I'll take a four-year
officer. Just use a number make and in
four years you make 101,000 and then you
frontloading the money. But here's the
thing about it. From that year four to
that year 15 or that year, you're still
going to be that. And so what they're
doing is for recruiting and uh that's
how they do it. It's like hey you come
to us and it looks like big numbers but
it don't talk about the insurance and it
doesn't talk about also how they're
frontloading the money. So basically all
they doing is taking that money
anticipating that you're not going to
retire in 15 20 years here and we're
going to give you that money right now
and then that's how it's going to be.
>> And that's but I'm saying a lot of
» And that's but I'm saying a lot of
corporations did that.
>> But what's the data say? Do they stay
» But what's the data say? Do they stay
once they get that large pay raise? Are
they tendency to stay another five years
maybe 10 years? They say
>> they stay within five and 10 years, but
» they stay within five and 10 years, but
to actually have somebody that retired,
like I'm almost at my 20 year, you don't
get that anymore. So within that, within
the NE 3 to seven years, 3 to 10 years
max, that's when they do. And then
that's where they at. Uh when you hire a
new officer, you if you get three to 10
years out of you did a wonderful job
with an officer right now because they
tend to bounce around right now.
>> And and the younger generation, they,
» And and the younger generation, they,
you know, we I'm a little bit older, but
yeah, they're about the money and but
they don't look at the insurance. But
again, another thing too when we
comparing apples to apples, when you see
those numbers inflate out there, they
don't talk about how how well our
insurance is compared to what they're
paying in their insurance. So you can
pay somebody $100,000 and then their
insurance is $986 a month versus what we
pay. So you have to compare both like
that. But
>> you go have a baby.
» you go have a baby.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> With those kind of insuranceances,
» With those kind of insuranceances,
>> correct? So that's all they're doing is
» correct? So that's all they're doing is
frontload money.
>> Some people might.
» Some people might.
>> It doesn't.
» It doesn't.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
Is it the same thing with the fire
department,
>> Chief?
» Chief?
>> Both really what uh we've seen in the
» Both really what uh we've seen in the
fire department is sign on bonuses. Uh
between that and then them covering
insurance was a lot of what these ESDs
have done, but where they're when
they're doing single resource or single
source uh single funding sources. That's
that's where it really hurts is they're
they'll push a $5,000 sign on bonus
that's given over a two-year period. But
what they're not doing is same thing
Sean said. It's that they're not looking
completely at the insurance package.
They see yes, it's free that they're not
paying for it, but they're not seeing
that they have a $10,000 deductible at a
minimum.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> So there there are a lot of other ones.
» So there there are a lot of other ones.
>> And Drew, how about your department?
I will say a lot of those numbers with
the,
you know, less than 40 come from our
department. We have probably over half
that are less than 30. Uh
I think our our biggest competitors
aren't always
neighboring cities. They're neighboring
water districts for especially for the
utilities. You know, we have Aqua, HMW,
H2O, all those. So, we've seen quite a
few of our staff get trained here in
Tombball, make really good staff, and
then jump to a private sector making
more money.
>> So, Melania, can you put the slide of
» So, Melania, can you put the slide of
the other findings? I guess it's slide
number five.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> And so, go ahead.
» And so, go ahead.
>> I'm sorry. Well, I was going to say, you
» I'm sorry. Well, I was going to say, you
know, part of the challenge that that
everyone here this this evening has is
that we're not done with the with
everything. And I once we have a better
understanding of how you're positioned
in terms of your benefits, I think that
that will give you a much clearer
picture of here's where you are at with
wages and here's where you are at with
benefits. Um because you know the
conversations that you're having, every
employer all across the nation right now
is having that exact conversation of
what do we frontload? What do we offer?
Because individuals who are under the
age of 26, they're still on their
parents' health insurance. They're not
caring about insurance. They certainly
do not care about state retirement
systems. Even though we all understand
the absolute value of those and it
usually takes your employees a little
bit longer to appreciate the value, but
the challenge is is that by the time
they start to appreciate the value,
you've trained them and now they've
left.
>> Which is why we really need to focus on
» Which is why we really need to focus on
what you know that that minimum area and
trying to try to keep them.
>> What did she say was the problem?
» What did she say was the problem?
>> They're already gone. Yeah. Before they
» They're already gone. Yeah. Before they
figure out the value. before they figure
out because you know they're as soon as
they get any amount of um skill set and
experience then that's the prime time
and then they'll leave.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
The firefighters will leave for 25 cents
an hour
at least they used to.
>> And so that's the the external
» And so that's the the external
pressures. And then when we look
internally and then we look at our
compensation structure if you look there
at that one the first bullet
>> where it says 36 pay rates. That's the
» where it says 36 pay rates. That's the
different job um grades that we have. 50
50th range spread, but the 5% grade to
grade separation. So that's a 5%
separation from one job to the next. So
what happens is that you'll have an
employee that's a great employee is now
has worked 10 years and has done great.
They get promoted to the next job level
up. Well, they're already making more
than some of the ones that have been in
that position for for five years.
>> Y
» Y
>> and and so that compression between each
» and and so that compression between each
one of those is a problem just
inherently with our pay plan. And so
part of the other things is that if we
have money in the budget to be able to
do more of a separation to alleviate
something, we've never been able to to
address that. And Chief knows that that
that's that's a problem that we deal
with all the time. But
>> you're talking about increasing the 5%
» you're talking about increasing the 5%
from grade to grade.
between
>> well%
» well%
that's going to be a 7% going to help
>> between the the vertically
» between the the vertically
>> when you spread it out that way instead
» when you spread it out that way instead
of 5% go to a 7% spread.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Um it's
» Um it's
>> it makes a difference.
» it makes a difference.
>> It it makes a huge difference because
» It it makes a huge difference because
what we find is some employees go
>> I don't want to promote. Why would I ex
» I don't want to promote. Why would I ex
accept more responsibility and a
different workload with a higher skill
set if you're if I'm just going to make
x amount more?
>> But that's that's the issue in industry,
» But that's that's the issue in industry,
too. That's that's the that's the issue
everywhere.
>> And maybe I'm just talking about what I
» And maybe I'm just talking about what I
know of our pay plan of 5% that I see
every single day. And I know that these
guys say like, "Hey, I want to promote
so and so. He's been here 12 years, done
great." uh but we're going to have to
make an exception for him because he's
already making more. And so then I have
to look at the employees that are
already there doing the job that have
experience and say do we leave him there
and then this guy that they're going to
have to train
>> do that job. So it's it is a problem in
» do that job. So it's it is a problem in
in just in ours because you're right.
I'm sure that it's
>> it's in all industries. It's yes and in
» it's in all industries. It's yes and in
you know in my tax industry that I've
been in for 30 years you do not get
rewarded for staying at your company
anymore because we get a three to three
and a half% raise every single year but
whoever's coming in new won't make a
lateral move. So they come in 20% higher
and that's just the nature of it. Um but
it it might be worse in this industry.
I'm not, you know, in cities, but it's
it's the same thing.
>> Well, to tell you that in the past, we
» Well, to tell you that in the past, we
really didn't run into that a whole lot,
okay?
>> Because people stayed
» Because people stayed
>> because they stayed because in the
» because they stayed because in the
public sector,
>> the benefits were so much better and the
» the benefits were so much better and the
stability, people would just stay
>> for that.
» for that.
>> But now the market has taken to where
» But now the market has taken to where
they're leaving. And so now we're having
kind of the private sector problems.
>> Everybody's cannibalizing everybody
» Everybody's cannibalizing everybody
else. Councilwoman McN, you have any
input you'd like to have?
>> No. All good things,
» but you're saying we can do something
within the budget right now.
>> Absolutely. Yes, sir. And then once we
» Absolutely. Yes, sir. And then once we
get those numbers, but as you know, the
budget is going to hopefully go for
final adoption. The money that we have
in there, I I can tell you to get us to
a new pay plan, same structure, but move
us 8.9%.
Move the pay plan. And then with all the
stuff that we've done, it's we're
looking at cola and the market
adjustments about 5%. So we're still
within budget and then the remaining am
dollars. I'll bring that back
>> to give you about the proposal to what
» to give you about the proposal to what
we'll do with it
>> because we got to keep our man everybody
» because we got to keep our man everybody
up here wants to do that.
>> That sound fair to you guys everything
» That sound fair to you guys everything
you hear guys and ladies
with your staffs.
I don't have a choice.
>> I don't see Kansas.
» I don't see Kansas.
>> Paul, when you when you were working for
» Paul, when you when you were working for
a company not and you heard any kind of
raise that you were getting, you never
thought it was enough, did you?
>> No, we know that. But fair.
» No, we know that. But fair.
>> Well, right. Well, we that is fair. To
» Well, right. Well, we that is fair. To
answer your question, yes, I'm I'm a
defend
>> because we don't lose anybody because
» because we don't lose anybody because
we're not being fair.
>> You're never going to get to a point
» You're never going to get to a point
where you can play uh money wars with
any other cities and things like that.
You're not going to do that. So, you'll
lose anytime. Whoever got the bigger
purse usually wins when we go to that.
But that's not where we at. That's not
where we need to be at right now. Where
we need to be at is what that word says,
competitive. And that way gives us a
fighting chance. All I'm saying is that
we need to have that fighting chance to
be competitive and see where
everything's at. The culture itself of
just people moving around and leaving
because uh but they may not like me or
whatever the case may be. But what we
have to do is at least make it so from a
financial standpoint that we are in a
competitive range that we have the
ability to fight and keep people here.
uh because it costs so much more money
when we train somebody and we train them
to go be better at another city and we
didn't put $25,000 in the training and
all the money we spent to make them
better go somewhere else. So we asking
ourselves on the back end, we spent
$25,000 training this person, $15,000
training this person and they leave us
because they getting a dollar more or $2
more an hour somewhere else, but we
spent all the money training them like
Drew was saying to get them and then
they move and go on. So we got to look
at the cost ris.
» Thank you. That's in all industries at
all.
>> Any more questions, comments?
» Any more questions, comments?
Well, at this time, we will recess and
reconvene at 6:00 p.m.
and this evening and for the city of
Tombball and the state of Texas and the
United States of America. Thank you that
you have given us this wonderful place
to live and that you have entrusted us
with uh our ability to lead and guide
and govern the city for all of the
future generations. Thank you for the
entire council and the mayor. Please be
with the first responders, every single
one of them, including the public works
and fire and police who keep us safe and
watch over us and give us the freedom of
movement that uh comes comes with being
an American citizen. Thank you for all
of the people who are interested in the
success of the city of Tombal and who
are here and listening and take a
wonderful interest in our town.
Please bless this entire town. It is in
your son's name that we pray. Amen.
>> Amen.
» Amen.
>> Pledges will be now led by Councilwoman
» Pledges will be now led by Councilwoman
>> Mna.
To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it
stands nation
indivisible with liberty and justice for
all.
>> Now the Texas flag.
» Now the Texas flag.
Honor flagged
one
and indivisible.
» Okay, it's now time for public comment
and receipt of petition. At this at this
time, anyone will be allowed to speak on
any matter other than personal matter
matters under litigation for the length
of time not to exceed 3 minutes. Mr.
Harris, do we have anyone that wants to
speak? No sir, we don't have anyone
signed up.
>> Okay. Is there anyone in the audience
» Okay. Is there anyone in the audience
that would like to speak?
>> No.
» No.
Alrighty then. We'll move on to the next
item.
We're going to go to reports and
announcements.
Upcoming events.
Number one, September 8th, 2026 Public
Safety Citizens Academy program begins.
Classes are every Tuesday night for 10
weeks. Registration is required. On
September tw 10th, 2026, Coffee Clutch
is going to be hosted by the Texas
Farmers Market, M A M A M A M A M A M A
M A M A M A M A Kelly from 8:30 to 10:00
a.m. at the Tomball Community Center. On
September 11th,
911 remembrance ceremony from 8 to 900
a.m. at the Tomball Depot Plaza,
followed by a short evening tribute from
7:30 to 7:45
at the Tomball Depot Plaza. September
12th, second Saturday, from 5 to 900
p.m. at the Tomball Depot Plaza. in
September 26th,
2026, Groupfest from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00
pm at the Tombball Deote Plaza.
Got that? Okay. Next, we'd like to move
on to reports by city staff and members
of council about items in the community
interest which no action will be taken
care of. Yes, sir. Councilman Parr. Uh
last week I attended the memorial
service for uh former Fort Ben County
Judge Bob Abear. Uh he was a a large
figure in Fort B County. He also
happened to be the first officer I
worked under when I joined the A Fire
Department in 1974.
>> Awesome.
» Awesome.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Yes. So, Wednesday evening, this coming
» Yes. So, Wednesday evening, this coming
Wednesday, which is the 19th,
um the city will be making a centinarian
uh presentation to a 100-year-old. That
means he's turning 100 and he's a World
War II veteran. And um you know, we're
losing those. We don't have a lot of
those left. And um he's a personal
friend of mine, has been a personal
friend for close to 20 years. And um so
everybody's invited. And I know you know
anybody from council that can make it
great. Um certainly you know no
obligation or anything.
>> Yes. Thank you for asking that. It's at
» Yes. Thank you for asking that. It's at
POS in their bull room that side room
that they have um at 6:00 pm. Uh the BFW
will be there. We'll have um some
proclamations by some local local
governments. Um Congressman Hunt and
Representative Oliver and our both of
our commissioners are sending some
representatives. So, kind of a neat
celebration um for a World War II
veteran turning 100.
>> The the date is the 19th. So, it's this
» The the date is the 19th. So, it's this
Wednesday at 6 PM at POS.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
» Thank you. Thank you.
>> May 19th.
» Still notating.
>> Nothing.
» Nothing.
>> I went to I participated last week. I
» I went to I participated last week. I
went to TML to a TML meeting and there's
a push by the governor as you guys know
in this 2027 legislative session to
eliminate
property taxes. So that being said, as
you guys know, or if you don't know,
that makes up 16% of the city's revenue,
over $7 million. So we're going to have
to come up with to make up that
difference. So we're working feverishly
with EDC to help us on picking up sales
tax. So any ideas anybody comes up with,
that's what we're looking for.
>> Hopefully it'll come up with an idea to
» Hopefully it'll come up with an idea to
replace it on its own.
>> Yeah, exactly.
» Yeah, exactly.
>> Revenue somehow.
» Revenue somehow.
>> Somehow. Yeah. I heard there was a rumor
» Somehow. Yeah. I heard there was a rumor
that they would increase sales tax by
2%. So,
>> who knows?
» A full change in the in the Texas's
chart.
>> Yeah. So, who knows what's going to
» Yeah. So, who knows what's going to
happen, but real issues. Okay. Old
business consent agenda.
» Are there if right now everything on
here all matters listed under the
consent agenda are considered to be
routine and will be enacted in one
motion. There will be no separate
discussion of these items. If discussion
is desired, the item in question will be
removed from the consent agenda and will
be considered separately. Information
concerning consent agenda items is
available for public review. We will be
taking no action on old consent item
number 15.
So are there are there any items any
other items that council would like to
pull off the consent agenda?
» No.
Is there a motion to approve the old
business consent items except for item
number 15 which will not be addressed at
this time?
>> So moved.
» So moved.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Discussion.
Call for the vote.
Motion carries 5-0.
» Old business.
Adopt on second reading ordinance number
2026-34
an ordinance of the city council of the
city of Tomball Texas adopting the
budget of the city of Tomball Texas for
fiscal year 2026-2027
and authorizing the city manager to
approve intradep departmental transfers
of budgeted items funds and amending the
budget for the 2025 2026 fiscal year in
the accordance with the actual
expenditures and providing other details
related to the passage of this
ordinance. Mr. Esavl, you have anything
to add?
>> No, sir. Mayor, Mayor Pro Tim and
» No, sir. Mayor, Mayor Pro Tim and
council, as we've gone through two
budget meetings, uh the budget proposal
that you have in front of you, it
reflects all of the discussion and
changes from those meetings.
>> Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
» Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
number 2026-34?
» Motion. Second
>> discussion.
» Call for the vote.
» Motion carries 5-0.
We're going to move on to new business
now.
First item is approved minutes of August
3rd, 2026 joint city council and TEEDC
meeting.
>> Mr. Harris, is there anything to add?
» Mr. Harris, is there anything to add?
>> No, sir. May protest.
» No, sir. May protest.
>> Is there a motion to approve the minutes
» Is there a motion to approve the minutes
from August 3rd, 2026?
>> Motion.
» Motion.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Discussion.
» Discussion.
Call for the vote.
Motion carries 5-0.
>> Okay,
» Okay,
we'll move down to item number three.
Discussion and direction of the Tomball
Economic Development Corporation TEEDC
for the Legacy Square project.
Mr. Harris, can you summarize the
consensus point consensus points from
the 8:14 meeting?
>> Yes, sir. Mayor Pro Tim. Uh just a recap
» Yes, sir. Mayor Pro Tim. Uh just a recap
of the discussion from from Friday and
some of the consensus points um
regarding Legacy Square. So um the first
one was there was commit commiss
commence to transition of building A the
main sanctuary to a multifunctional
facility
um also serving as a community center.
Uh point number two was to prepare
building C which is small uh chapel for
Pearl Fincher.
Uh number three was to prepare plans for
building F which was identified as the
fellowship hall. um suggestion was some
sort of conversion to a retail outlet
facility. Uh also for purposes of
renting spaces for workshops, barn
space, arts and crafts um and make sure
that uh this is not a uh project
subsidized by the city and waves the
city from liability. And then uh the
fourth was to initiate the demolition of
all buildings other than the main and
small chapel um fellowship hall um which
was referred to as buildings A, C and F
and then convert uh area to the green to
a green space that was tied to the
museum. Um and then the fifth was for a
submission of a detailed plan um
revolving involving the necessary uh
transition of legacy square. Um that
plan is recommended to include on&m cost
operation responsibility of facility
programming responsibilities and any
projected revenue.
And then finally the sixth point uh was
dealing with parking lot in commence for
plans uh for parking lot in behind the
depot.
» Is there a motion to approve the Is
there a motion to approve consensus
direction for the general discussion of
this item number three?
>> Motion.
» Motion.
>> Second
» Second
>> discussion.
» discussion.
>> I have no idea what we're approving. I
» I have no idea what we're approving. I
have no idea what this is and I don't
think this should be discussed without
the EDC board here. We told them not to
come and then now we're this was
supposed to be a joint meeting and then
on Friday we told them not to come.
>> My understanding we we listed out all
» My understanding we we listed out all
the consensus items that we all agreed
to and this today we were just going to
vote on it.
>> I did not agree to those on Friday at
» I did not agree to those on Friday at
all. No, there's like diametrically
opposed things he just said. It was just
a whole bunch of ideas thrown around.
Not everybody even gave any ideas on
Friday. We did not agree to those on
Friday. What? Not at all. It was a
workshop.
>> It was a workshop which my understanding
» It was a workshop which my understanding
we that's what he was writing down.
We're gathering all the information of
what we felt we would like to do.
>> But not everybody gave ideas on Friday.
» But not everybody gave ideas on Friday.
Well,
>> I didn't know because we said we weren't
» I didn't know because we said we weren't
even discussing this on today, which is
why we told the EDC board not even to
come.
>> We weren't going to do the budget, but
» We weren't going to do the budget, but
we were going to we were going to
approve what we agreed to Friday was my
understanding
>> for all the we took a consensus.
» for all the we took a consensus.
I so
>> I just heard main sanctuary
» I just heard main sanctuary
all the way he just said all the way
from either being a community center to
being a special events which are two
100% opposite things. They're not even
remotely related,
not even close. So how are we agreeing
on a special event center or a community
center in the same thing that are not
even related to each other?
I think we're not agreeing on what it's
going to be so much is just a direction
forward and to so we can get things
zoned and platted so we can we know we
want to keep those three buildings. I
think that's the thing is to keep those
three buildings so we can upgrade them
and then talk about the other buildings
being taken down.
>> I do think we took the census it would
» I do think we took the census it would
not be a I I brought that up multiple
times. It would not be a music venue.
I said that multiple times.
>> Correct. What was said on Friday was
» Correct. What was said on Friday was
that you would always vote no for that
and and mayor prom Paul Garcia also said
that that was going to be a no. So
that's that was two nos. I never said
one word on Friday because
>> I think Shelley agreed with the
» I think Shelley agreed with the
consensus.
>> Okay. So then we know not to even make a
» Okay. So then we know not to even make a
motion for it because it'll be voted
down which is fine.
I I recall the one thing that we did
agree on was demolition of the buildings
that are not going to be used. Correct.
>> That's right.
» That's right.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay. So So So demo
» Okay. So So So demo
Okay.
So we're voting to say that it could
either be a special event or a community
center, the main sanctuary. Is that what
we're voting on? voting that it's going
to be a multifunctional facility acting
as a community center also
gives it a lot of options what we can do
there.
» Okay,
>> because that's when we were talking
» because that's when we were talking
about the repertoire and theater. Well,
they could come in there and and rent
the facility for that types of events.
See,
>> we said that's perfect.
» we said that's perfect.
>> All right.
» All right.
>> And then we agreed that we were all in
» And then we agreed that we were all in
agreement, and you guys correct me if
I'm wrong, about uh the retail outlet,
the old gymnasium, the fellowship hall,
that we would just rent spaces out and
city would not be held liable
for anything there from a liability
standpoint or from subsidizing.
be stand alone
>> because I believe Danny even talked
» because I believe Danny even talked
about on that that it was it wasn't a
money maker I think is what he said and
I said I
>> correct
» correct
>> yeah Danny even talked about it was a
» yeah Danny even talked about it was a
makers is that what they call it a barn
maker house
>> makaker
» makaker
>> that it was not a money maker and so
» that it was not a money maker and so
that's when we said that it can't it's
got to be something that does make money
and that we weren't going to put money
into
>> money into it. We weren't going to
» money into it. We weren't going to
purchase any equipment or machinery for
those
>> and we're not going to take the
» and we're not going to take the
liability. That's going to have to be a
group do that and come to the city or to
the TEDC and discuss it
>> and bring options to y'all.
» and bring options to y'all.
>> So then the city is going to take over
» So then the city is going to take over
ownership of the main sanctuary to turn
it into a city's community center.
>> We didn't say that. That's what we're
» We didn't say that. That's what we're
looking for guidance from you guys how
you think it'll best work. Well, I just
heard us make a motion to vote for it to
become a community center
>> acting as a community center. It's going
» acting as a community center. It's going
to be a multi-unctional
facility
acting as the community center also like
so during the day they can be the
community center. At night if you have
other events you can use it for that
too.
That's my understanding. Yes sir. Did I
say the community center was discussed,
but I think if we can make it for
clarification purposes for the public,
if we can defend.
>> Yes. Please walk up to the front
» Yes. Please walk up to the front
>> and say your name,
» and say your name,
>> your name and address, please.
» your name and address, please.
>> Uh Danny Hudson, 1277 Zahan Road. We we
» Uh Danny Hudson, 1277 Zahan Road. We we
talked about it a community center, but
we we didn't say this was going to be a
community center. So, I would like to
just to clarify. I love the the
terminology event center which could be
a community but right
>> for clarification out in public as much
» for clarification out in public as much
as this has been thrown around and
changed and you know the rumors that can
we just keep it as event center
>> that be fine
» that be fine
>> and then if it ends up being a community
» and then if it ends up being a community
center it ends up being one but I don't
want it to be out there that it's this
is going to be the community center
because we don't know that
>> gotcha
» gotcha
>> so that it's not declared that
» so that it's not declared that
>> the 9th
» the 9th
>> and
» and
>> what's the difference between saying
» what's the difference between saying
it's acting as a community center or
being a community center.
>> Well, because you're going to be able to
» Well, because you're going to be able to
do other events there also. So, they
know if you're bringing in a, you know,
somebody you have an amusement venue for
300 people, it'll accommodate that at
night. If you're doing it on the
weekend, that kind of thing. So, it
could be multifunctional to use it uh
for different things, but also if the
community center wants to use it during
the day, it can be used.
>> I think you just used the right
» I think you just used the right
terminology. Yes, sir. multiunctional
event center.
Leave it at that.
>> Yeah, whatever we call it, it's fine.
» Yeah, whatever we call it, it's fine.
>> So, we're taking community center out of
» So, we're taking community center out of
it because let's think about how the
community center operates right now.
It's a very formal process and people
pay money to the city and it's a very
regulated
community center function. It's not just
willy-nilly, oh, whoever wants to go
over and use that building at night
because they want to do a music
something or another or a play. I mean,
it's very formal.
>> Well, I mean, the the the the rules and
» Well, I mean, the the the the rules and
regulations could be transferred from
the existing community center to the
event center. Uh so there'd be an
application process, fees or deposits
and stuff like that. Well, they had to
be some changes too though because
according to David
>> the or somebody I don't it might not
» the or somebody I don't it might not
have been David we can't or it was you
said that we the community center now
can't take
and have a a group come in there that
makes money off of it. And wasn't that
you that told me that?
>> Somebody did.
» Somebody did.
>> That's our policy.
» That's our policy.
>> Yeah. They can't you can't for rent the
» Yeah. They can't you can't for rent the
community center and then charge
admission and for for profit
>> and so that has to be changed for it
» and so that has to be changed for it
could ever be a community center.
» I thought that mayor proin and council
um I'll just give you from my
perspective and I'm sure from staff
this is just a direction to where we
bring back a lot of these questions
because you're exactly right. if it is a
community center, whose rules and who's
going to apply it, who's going to manage
it, who's going to maintain the
property. There's there's a lot of
questions on depending on what it is and
if we're going to move these projects
forward. I I think that was
>> what everybody wanted to provide some
» what everybody wanted to provide some
direction where everybody's on the same
page so we can start hammering out some
of those those questions. And at least
from from my standpoint, I think that
this can change once we get more into
the
>> details to it, too. That's why I thought
» details to it, too. That's why I thought
I thought the event center is what we
were going to call it and it could act
as a community center if we needed to or
it can be.
I just wanted to get away from the
public hearing music venue because
that's what all the people in the
surrounding area were up
>> so we we can see what it's not going to
» so we we can see what it's not going to
be.
>> Exactly. That's all I want to say. What
» Exactly. That's all I want to say. What
it's not going to be.
>> You have something to add?
» You have something to add?
>> Um just Yeah, I think that's the thing
» Um just Yeah, I think that's the thing
we could come together and talk about.
It could be anywhere from weddings to um
if somebody wants to rent it out for an
event, but just want to move forward
with make a decision to move forward
because it's sitting there right now
deteriorating and you don't want to get
have the 1949 building get so bad that
we're going to have to tear it down. We
just we want to save those buildings and
clean them up. And I just the reasoning
and the platting right now is the
easiest thing to do. So get that
started.
>> I agree.
» I agree.
So we give him we can give them
direction to go tear down the buildings
that we're not going to use,
>> right?
» right?
>> That's a lot of it.
» That's a lot of it.
>> And we I mean Kelly and him and y'all
» And we I mean Kelly and him and y'all
talked about this. Y'all want direction.
What's going to happen? And that's what
I think we're trying to do right now is
to get because they've what you've been
working with two years, three years and
you've owned it for even longer than
that. And
I don't want them to keep working on
something and then the city council
comes said, "Nope, that ain't going to
work. We're not involved for that." And
they've worked on it for three years
already.
>> I I am in complete agreement.
» I I am in complete agreement.
>> Okay. And so that's what I'm trying to
» Okay. And so that's what I'm trying to
do is get direction now, Lisa.
>> Great.
» Great.
>> Miss Violet, what do you think? Can I
» Miss Violet, what do you think? Can I
get your assessment on our direction,
council's direction to you? If you could
state your name and address.
>> It's very unfortunate we don't have the
» It's very unfortunate we don't have the
board here.
>> I just don't think we should be doing
» I just don't think we should be doing
this boarding.
>> Kelly Violet 29201 Quinn Road, Sweet A,
» Kelly Violet 29201 Quinn Road, Sweet A,
Tom, Texas. Um I I think we've been
asking for direction for a long time and
we need direction from y'all. I think
this brings up more questions, you know,
because things like a music venue, does
that mean you don't want musicals?
Does that mean you don't want weddings
that have live music or bands? It it's
that's kind of like pulling that string
where it it lends itself to more
questions. Um, we do have an item on
Friday's joint agenda to talk about it
more if you want to be able to talk
about it in front of the EDC board.
>> Okay. But does this at least gives you a
» Okay. But does this at least gives you a
starting point, you feel?
>> I think yes, it gives us some direction
» I think yes, it gives us some direction
and that's really what we're looking for
because like you said, I mean, we we're
we're kind of we're kind of flailing,
you know, waiting for direction from
y'all so that we can move
>> and because at the end of the deal, it's
» and because at the end of the deal, it's
going to be this group's decision what
goes there,
>> right?
» right?
>> Am I correct?
» Am I correct?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay. And I think a good way to answer
» Okay. And I think a good way to answer
that question too is I think we would
like music and events and plays. It's
probably the number of seats that we're
talking about and then that um solves a
lot of the parking issues right now that
we don't have to talk worry about right
now and it could be in the future
>> but I think right now at this time um
» but I think right now at this time um
it's the number of seats that's real can
get real scary when we talk about what's
going to be there.
And it's also it's like Danny said, what
if we do this for a year or two and it
>> fizzles out.
» fizzles out.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> And we do what you said, Danny. Tear the
» And we do what you said, Danny. Tear the
thing down.
>> Still homes in there.
» Still homes in there.
>> There's a lot of options and I think
» There's a lot of options and I think
taking baby steps is the right way to go
in my opinion. So,
>> so then with this direction of saying
» so then with this direction of saying
that council's going to evidently vote
tonight without the MC board present
>> to make it a multifunctional event
» to make it a multifunctional event
center that may or may not act as a
community center and may or may not
allow music of a certain size.
I would.
>> But yet, you have no budget to do any of
» But yet, you have no budget to do any of
this with because we've cut out
everything out of the budget that would
allow them to do anything to number one
to the main sanctuary.
So, we're voting on something the EDC
has no capability of doing.
» I disagree in the fact that we said you
could bring back amendments.
>> Okay. Budget amendments do it without
» Okay. Budget amendments do it without
asking for the council.
>> I think you guys they were going to meet
» I think you guys they were going to meet
my understanding was they were going to
meet Friday and discuss what they were
going to do. Is that my understanding of
what they need to do to move forward
with this? And I think at that point
then you guys would come back to council
for a budget amendment which we would
grant because this is what we want to do
as a consensus.
What do you what are your thoughts
>> that the council's not I mean that the
» that the council's not I mean that the
EDC board isn't really getting any
usable guidance because
you know one minute it's a $2 million
budget. The next minute it's so we want
it to be zero but it can't be zero so
we're going to make it 500,000 plus a
few extra things. Now 48 hours later, 52
hours later, we're voting to tell the
EDC to turn it into a multifunctional
event center with no budget. But yet
then does that just mean before the
budget has even been approved, but yet
we're saying no budget, but we're vote.
I mean, it's circles.
» I will disagree, but I'm only one
person, so I don't know what the rest of
council thinks.
>> What did we disagree on Friday? 750. Is
» What did we disagree on Friday? 750. Is
that what we ended with the budget? Am I
okay 750?
>> And I thought we had talked about that
» And I thought we had talked about that
might have been enough for step one
demo. So it's the demo and then having
money to handle repairs like if it needs
a new air conditioning system
>> or you know room for air conditioning.
» or you know room for air conditioning.
That's it. That's it. That's all that's
in there. Nothing to turn the 1949
chapel into um an art gallery. Not at
all. Zero.
Zero to turn the main sanctuary into
anything that we're contemplating voting
on right here right now. Zero to turn
the fellowship hall into a retail
facility
right now.
» And how is that is that with amendments
that we would come back and I know you
don't want to nickel come back every
time and ask permission but is that how
that would be
>> that would be handled that way. The
» that would be handled that way. The
funds would then be approved by council
on their ideas and thought processes for
those various buildings
which which in my which is fine
obviously right there's a process for
that but I think that's telling the EDC
board we want you to go do something but
we don't even trust you to have one dime
in advance to do it so go we want you to
do it we're voting on it but you have no
money you have no authority no money
because we don't trust you at all except
to do the denim and then to keep it
maintained from falling down. That's all
we trust you to do right now.
>> Trust is not the word. I think we agreed
» Trust is not the word. I think we agreed
that we were going to work amicably
together and we've been trying to do
that, trying to get with you guys. Hey,
what can we do? So, we'll work closely
with each other to make sure all parties
involved are getting what they want and
that the public is getting also what
they want. So the three different
entities are getting something
functional for everyone and acceptable
to everyone.
>> And and I do remember you saying that on
» And and I do remember you saying that on
Friday evening. Yes, ma'am.
>> That you felt that this was a way for
» That you felt that this was a way for
cooperation.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> But that's very one-sided in my opinion.
» But that's very one-sided in my opinion.
I do not see this as cooperation. I see
this as council mandating something but
telling the EDC, "We're not going to
give you any authority for money to do
it, so figure it out and then come back
to us for every single step." which is
fine, but if that's the way this council
wants to operate the EDC going forward.
>> We agreed on that though Friday.
» We agreed on that though Friday.
>> I did not agree to it. No, there was no
» I did not agree to it. No, there was no
vote. How did we agree?
>> Well, we changed the budget. Everybody
» Well, we changed the budget. Everybody
agreed on the new budgeted amounts. So,
at that time, I would think if someone
was disagreeing with it would have
brought that up and we would had that
further discussion.
>> Well, we we did indicate that we agreed
» Well, we we did indicate that we agreed
that we disagreed with zero, right? that
zero is not possible even though that
was proposed
>> yes ma'am
» yes ma'am
>> 14 times
» 14 times
>> and that you know couldn't do zero but
» and that you know couldn't do zero but
given that zero was the proposal we did
manage to get it to 750 but now and
that's fine so then we stay with that
but how can we then that was Friday
today's Monday how can this council now
literally vote to pass something giving
guidance to the EDC for something they
cannot do.
» I don't understand why you think they
cannot do anything. My understanding you
guys are getting or EDC was getting
together Friday to get discuss
further what they're going to do with
Legacy Square and bring back information
to council and we could all both discuss
it.
>> We are having a joint meeting on Friday
» We are having a joint meeting on Friday
to approve the EDC budget. That's all
that's happening right now.
>> No, I understood that uh the Tombbo
» No, I understood that uh the Tombbo
Legacy Square Council was getting
together. The group small group of guys
that
>> that's what I was told.
» that's what I was told.
>> Okay. I'm not
» Okay. I'm not
>> Maybe you know
» Maybe you know
>> the committee. Yeah. Was getting
» the committee. Yeah. Was getting
together Friday.
>> Yeah. Is it Thursday? Okay.
» Yeah. Is it Thursday? Okay.
>> So, they were going to get together the
» So, they were going to get together the
advisory committee.
>> Is that what he's refer Is that what
» Is that what he's refer Is that what
you're referring to?
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
and they were going to come back, tell
us what their thoughts, and then we can
move forward.
» Okay. So, we're voting on what today
we're voting on 1949 Chapel to become an
art gallery, hopefully Pearl Fincher,
but we can't vote on that because that's
up to Pearl Fincher,
>> right?
» right?
>> Fellowship Hall to become a retail.
» Fellowship Hall to become a retail.
>> Would you like Mr. Harris to repeat them
» Would you like Mr. Harris to repeat them
all? You want to repeat them for us?
Repeat them as I did or or do you want
me to change?
>> Repeat them as you did.
» Repeat them as you did.
>> Okay. So,
» Okay. So,
>> um point one was uh transition of
» um point one was uh transition of
building a main sanctuary to a
multifacility u which could also act as
a community center. Um prepare building
C um small chapel for F pearl venture.
Uh prepare plans for building F, a
fellowship hall, possible conversion to
a retail facility, retail outlet
facility. Um and also for purposes of
renting spaces for workshops, barn
space, arts, crafts, um and make sure
that it's uh not subsidized by the city
and city's fully waved from not
liability.
Um point number four was initiate the
demolition of all buildings other than
the main sanctuary, small chapel, and
fellowship hall, which were identified
as buildings A, C, and F. um and then
convert uh area to green space that's
tied to the museum. Uh point number five
was a small detailed plan uh on the
sequence of events um for the
transitioning of Legacy Square. Uh the
plan should include O andM cost,
operational responsibility of
facilities, program responsibilities and
projected revenue. And then point number
six was to commence plans on parking lot
uh in behind the depot.
>> So we're not just voting on Tomball
» So we're not just voting on Tomball
Legacy Square, we're also barking voting
on parking if a separate parking lot
south of the depot.
>> But we decided that's what everybody
» But we decided that's what everybody
wanted that
>> that's what we decided made the most
» that's what we decided made the most
sense. The exact words that kept being
repeated were that make the most sense,
but that we don't know that we were
appropriating a certain amount in
professional services. Completely
unrelated, not in the Tombbo legacy
squitter line item of the budget in a
completely different section of the
budget. We were appropriating a piece a
portion of the professional services
line item for a
>> engineering stud engineering work for
» engineering stud engineering work for
parking in Tombal. And what we kept
circling back to was that in made the
most sense, but that at this point we
just don't know. That was what we kept
saying.
>> Well, because we felt that would
» Well, because we felt that would
alleviate some of the the parking
conditions at Tombball Legacy Square
that we tried that we felt that might be
the best way to go. Thought everybody
agreed on that that would do
>> agreed that right now the most sense,
» agreed that right now the most sense,
but that we just don't know. So, I don't
see how
>> that agreement then is turning into a
» that agreement then is turning into a
vote today.
because it's part of the relief for the
parking spaces
at Tomball Legacy Fund.
Tomball Legacy Square.
>> Okay. Well, this isn't making sense to
» Okay. Well, this isn't making sense to
me, but that's okay. I'm just going to
vote.
» Any other discussions?
» Call for the vote.
Motion carries 41.
>> Yeah, I I didn't see truly where this
» Yeah, I I didn't see truly where this
was an action item
in the agenda. It was just discussion
and direction rather than an action
item. But but the the the approval is
for the direction as as listed in the
motion.
Okay.
Thank you.
Move on to the next item.
>> Before we go.
» Before we go.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> David, what you're saying is it can be
» David, what you're saying is it can be
changed.
>> And that's what you understood.
» And that's what you understood.
>> Absolutely.
» Absolutely.
>> That's what I thought, too. It can be
» That's what I thought, too. It can be
>> It's not a It's not a a a a contract.
» It's not a It's not a a a a contract.
It's not a resolution even.
>> So, it can be changed.
» So, it can be changed.
>> It's approving the the direction.
» It's approving the the direction.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> It'll be reflected in the minutes about
» It'll be reflected in the minutes about
what it was. So that way there's a
starting point for and and and they're
going to be I think as Kelly said on
Friday, this is almost the exact same
um item.
Then the board will be there
>> as they should be.
» as they should be.
Should have been tonight, but we told
him not to come. That seems fishy.
» Okay, number four.
We're going to approve resolution number
2026-40,
a resolution of the city council, the
city council of the city of Tomball,
Texas, accepting the PID petition and
calling for the public hearing on
October 5th, 2026 for the creation of
the Tomball public improvement district
number 15 Roop and be located within the
city of Tombball. SMA, you have anything
you'd like to add?
>> Uh, yes, sir. just that this resolution
» Uh, yes, sir. just that this resolution
will accept the previous PID petition.
Nothing is changing. Um this is just be
based on a statutory basic timeout. We
took the break until the CCN was
approved. We did receive notification of
the CCN. So we have to start our
statutory guidelines over again for the
public hearing.
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
» Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
resolution number 2026-40?
>> So moved.
» So moved.
Second
>> discussion.
» No discussion. We'll call for the vote.
Motion carries 5-0.
Next item, consideration of an action on
a variance request from La Reserva Meat
Market for alcohol sales at 22824
Huffmith Corville Road, Tomal, Texas due
to the proximity to a public school
property. Mr. Harris,
>> thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Brief
» thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Brief
presentation for council regarding uh
this particular uh variance. Um, so the
city did receive a TABC application for
La Reserva um and inform the applicant
that the um development was near a
Tombal ISD property in which case it
would trigger section 4-3 of our code of
ordinances. Uh, the applicant formally
uh requested a variance um to be brought
before council and in your packet you'll
see a copy of the no objection letter
from Tombball is ISD.
Um just a a brief um view of the map. As
you can see, uh within our city limits,
uh there is um uh 300 foot buffer zone
that you can see it does touch the
Tombal ISD, which uh on the screen is
going to be the property highlighted in
yellow at the top left. Um um we will
touch base with the applicant um because
although it's outside of our city limits
um for TABC's purposes, they will also
need to contact Klein ISD, but that's
for TS TABC because to the um the tree
area, which is the Klein ISD property is
outside of our city limits and so um
they will need to contact that once they
take this application to the TABC level.
But on the local level, uh, council's
more concerned with the Tombal ISD, uh,
objection because that is within the the
the city limits and Tom ISD has no
objection. Um, and so with that, uh, uh,
council, um, I don't know if the
applicant is here. I know they were
going to try to make it. Yes. So, Steve
Sandival is here. Um, so if you guys got
any further questions for him regarding
this particular
>> speak application
» speak application
there
name and address, sir.
>> Steve Sandaval, 12638 Ranger Court in
» Steve Sandaval, 12638 Ranger Court in
Magnolia. Um, I have no nothing to add,
but free to answer any questions that
might clear up anything that uh can come
up.
>> Mr. Paris, did you say that the um the
» Mr. Paris, did you say that the um the
building in question is not in the
Tomball city limits?
>> No, the building is in to city limits.
» No, the building is in to city limits.
Yeah. Yeah. Just uh
>> client
» client
>> the Klein ISD portion.
» the Klein ISD portion.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> That is outside the city limits.
» That is outside the city limits.
>> I gota
» I gota
>> um and so when council approves here or
» um and so when council approves here or
if council approves here is they're just
they're just concerned about the uh the
stuff that's within the city limits.
>> Okay. U once the applicant takes the
» Okay. U once the applicant takes the
application to TABC, they'll have to
contact Klein ISD for TABC possible get
a Gota.
>> So as far as what the council is
» So as far as what the council is
concerned of within the 300 foot um in
the city limits is the Tombball ISD and
Tombal ISD has no objection.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
And you' be selling beer and wine?
>> Yes, just beer and wine.
» Yes, just beer and wine.
>> But no one's drinking at the shop. Um,
» But no one's drinking at the shop. Um,
we will have like a little restaurant
side on the on the side and people would
be open to grab the beer from the fridge
or most likely not the wine, but just
the beers from the fridge and and be
able to drink it there at the tables
that we do have there.
They are booths. I can show some
pictures if that would help.
>> Will they be indoor or outdoor?
» Will they be indoor or outdoor?
>> All indoor.
» All indoor.
>> All indoor.
» All indoor.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
So this isn't like a grocery store sale
of beer and wine or a convenience store
sale of beer and wine. This is like open
container sale.
>> Yes. Yes.
» What was the gas station that you we
voted down?
>> I know which
» I know which
223.
>> Zoom out a little. No, this is a steel
» Zoom out a little. No, this is a steel
picture on the on the uh
>> I think they wouldn't be able to carry
» I think they wouldn't be able to carry
anything out of the facility. Correct.
>> No. Correct. No.
» No. Correct. No.
>> Oh, okay. So, you can't buy a 12-pack
» Oh, okay. So, you can't buy a 12-pack
and walk out.
>> Yeah. That
» Yeah. That
>> Oh, uh No, no, no, no. Yes, you you can
» Oh, uh No, no, no, no. Yes, you you can
buy So, we're a grocery store as well as
um
>> Okay,
» Okay,
>> let me see. How can I explain it? you
» let me see. How can I explain it? you
you we we'll have a a quick service side
of a restaurant and you'll be able to
get your food and you can take your your
food home or or you can eat there as
well. That's why we have the booths
there. But then we also are a meat
market. So we'll we'll we'll have
groceries, canned products. Um it's a
small small scale convenience store that
you can go in there, buy it, and then go
home as well. So we're not
>> drink it there.
» drink it there.
>> You could. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
» You could. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
And do y'all safeguards where y'all
would monitor if somebody's
>> I just worry about because it's right by
» I just worry about because it's right by
a school.
>> Um and I know the I don't know if the
» Um and I know the I don't know if the
school asks these same questions, but
>> I would hate for something to happen and
» I would hate for something to happen and
then
>> council approved
» council approved
>> school
» school
>> and there's I I just are there
» and there's I I just are there
safeguards for if you see somebody that
had more than just the one or two at
lunchtime?
>> Definitely. So, um, we're definitely
» Definitely. So, um, we're definitely
going to be, uh, training all the
employees for the
everything that has to, um, fall within
TABC limits. Um, we'll train all the
employees for that. And then if there's
anything extra that you guys would feel
comfortable that we add, then we're open
to that as well.
» Motion right now.
>> Yeah, we're going to do the motion. But
» Yeah, we're going to do the motion. But
um is there a motion regarding a
variance request from Reserve Meat
Market for alcohol sales at 22824
Hudsmith Corville Road, Tom Ball, Texas
due the proximity
of a public school property?
>> Second.
» Second.
>> We've discussed. Any more questions from
» We've discussed. Any more questions from
council or we
>> Yeah, we have discussion now.
» Yeah, we have discussion now.
>> Yes, we have. Did we not turn down a
» Yes, we have. Did we not turn down a
convenience store with a similar
application
>> at the last meeting?
» at the last meeting?
>> Did.
» Did.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> I recall.
» I wouldn't have a problem with it if you
couldn't drink it there.
>> I mean, there's a gas station right down
» I mean, there's a gas station right down
the corner there that you can buy beer
in and take it out,
>> but you can't drink it on the premises
» but you can't drink it on the premises
>> and that just that bothers me being that
» and that just that bothers me being that
close to the school.
>> Me, too. Sure.
» Me, too. Sure.
>> Could you change that rule where you
» Could you change that rule where you
cannot drink it on the premises? Would
that be something y'all
>> Yeah. At the end of the day? I mean,
» Yeah. At the end of the day? I mean,
that that's something that we're open
to. We can we can work with that.
Definitely.
>> That even be enforced. You'd have to
» That even be enforced. You'd have to
have somebody in there all the time
watching it because I think the
customers are going to expect that,
>> right?
» right?
>> I think they would expect that, which is
» I think they would expect that, which is
why we were going to go why we
originally submitted the application in
that way. Um, but we were prepared to go
the second route. Um, at the end of the
day, we're selling meat. So, we want to
be able to at least sell it to people
that are having their barbecues and and
their cookouts. Um, not that big of a
deal to let somebody know that they can
drink some some alcohol. Right. Right. R
right there is um if if that's what we
have to do to get around it.
If the variance stipulates that they
cannot carry alcohol outside the the
doors then
>> open containment
» open containment
>> open
» open
>> open
outside.
>> No, at the grocery store they're going
» No, at the grocery store they're going
to be taking it out. They're going to go
buy it.
>> If they buy a 12-pack, they can't walk
» If they buy a 12-pack, they can't walk
out the door with it.
>> That that's that's the whole premise of
» That that's that's the whole premise of
keeping everything inside the building.
That's going to keep the humans that
already drank that 12-pack inside the
building.
>> Yep. But at least in there you've got
» Yep. But at least in there you've got
them controlled. They get ced if you
know if they look young.
>> So So um are you saying even even um
» So So um are you saying even even um
taking out clothes containers like that
12-pack? You're saying you're saying
that whole 12-pack has they they just
they buy it and they have to consume it
there on site.
>> Yeah, pretty much. I mean that that's
» Yeah, pretty much. I mean that that's
that that's that's why that's why are
there
>> to protect
» Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what
you're saying.
>> Grab a 12 pack and walking out with it.
» Grab a 12 pack and walking out with it.
>> I see what you're saying.
» I see what you're saying.
>> Well, I'll leave it up to those guys to
» Well, I'll leave it up to those guys to
take care of the guys that drink the
12-pack of in the restaurant. So,
>> I don't have a problem with them buying
» I don't have a problem with them buying
it and leaving with it. I just don't
want them drinking in there because I
mean, you go
about 400 yards down the road and
there's two gas stations in each corner.
>> Yeah, there is that have liquor back
» Yeah, there is that have liquor back
there.
>> But but but the building wasn't a school
» But but but the building wasn't a school
when when the gas stations opened up.
That that's the problem.
>> You have anything?
» You have anything?
>> Yeah, that
» Yeah, that
how do you differentiate that? This is
asking for a variance to buy beer and
walk out with it without the without
being opened versus being able to
consume it there.
>> So, so they would they would do that.
» So, so they would they would do that.
They would handle that with their TABC
application. So on their TABC
application rather than it being an
onremise consumption, they would change
it to a retail store which is strictly
offremise. That's correct. People would
have to correct.
>> So what is our vote today is what
» So what is our vote today is what
>> you can add that to your motion.
» you can add that to your motion.
approved DABC permit for retail sales.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Not on premise consumption.
» Not on premise consumption.
>> That's what I vote for.
» That's what I vote for.
>> Yeah. That that's up to council. However
» Yeah. That that's up to council. However
you guys decide you want to allow
everything, if you want to allow
nothing, if you only want to allow on
premise,
>> however you word that that motion and
» however you word that that motion and
that approval, it's it's up to you.
>> So, we're saying if I go in there and
» So, we're saying if I go in there and
buy some uh carnitas. Okay.
>> Yeah. and I want to have a beer with it.
» Yeah. and I want to have a beer with it.
I can't do it.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> I gotta drive home and eat it and drink
» I gotta drive home and eat it and drink
my beer.
>> I see it.
» I see it.
>> Just like at a grocery store.
» Just like at a grocery store.
>> Just like at the gas station that sells
» Just like at the gas station that sells
McDonald's hamburgers.
>> Our our our direct competition is um a
» Our our our direct competition is um a
chain called Lami Takana. And um they
allow the the reason we submitted our
application that way was because they
allow
anybody to go in there and drink it and
drink alcohol. But I didn't know when we
were submitting the application that it
was within 300 ft of of a school. So I
don't know if my direct competition has
locations around schools and and maybe
they have to work around it a similar
way.
» Councilman, I'm saying that if they want
to go in and have a barbecue sandwich
and drink a beer on the premises,
that's okay.
>> And that's the current application that
» And that's the current application that
they would have on file. So, I mean, if
if
>> that's what exactly
» that's what exactly
>> they have to change the their variance
» they have to change the their variance
request,
my my position is I don't want somebody
to go go in there and buy a 12-pack and
leave because if you have a kid that
somehow manages to get hold of of a fake
ID, he can go in there, buy it, and go
back to school.
>> Yeah. But that's any Well, okay. Because
» Yeah. But that's any Well, okay. Because
you're talking about the school.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> But that's right across the street.
» But that's right across the street.
>> Yeah, you you can. So that's why I'm
» Yeah, you you can. So that's why I'm
saying I don't want I just don't want a
container in there.
>> I I would like to add that the the
» I I would like to add that the the
school is so we're on the main on
Huffsmith Corville and there there's no
sidewalks. There's no um you know the
school is a it's an innovation center.
Um and it's a building halfway down. Um
>> but they're building another school
» but they're building another school
there closer to you.
>> Oh, are they?
» Oh, are they?
>> Yeah. I bet you I missed that meeting.
» Yeah. I bet you I missed that meeting.
They're gun school.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> This way. Although it is intermediate
» This way. Although it is intermediate
and
>> see we we we
» see we we we
voted down a similar request two weeks
ago.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Right.
» Right.
>> But I think the reason we voted down
» But I think the reason we voted down
that guy kind of told us story when he
said he wasn't going to make it to go to
a gas station.
But it it's it's from my perception it's
the same issue just because the guy may
have not
been as forthcoming
as what he should have been and that
aggravated a few of us but it's it's
still the same premise.
>> Yes. So currently Mr. Harris what's the
» Yes. So currently Mr. Harris what's the
motion? So currently right now the
motion would be to approve the sale of
alcohol and it would include what is on
his current application which is what on
his current application is for wine and
malt beverage on premise permit
>> to drive away with it. anti drive.
» to drive away with it. anti drive.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> I mean that would be covered under
» I mean that would be covered under
>> so council could
» so council could
>> withdraw the motion and just he could re
» withdraw the motion and just he could re
and say enter the motion as
>> I believe the other option being
» I believe the other option being
discussed is you know alcohol sales for
off- premise only in which case Mr.
Sandival would have to submit a revised
or new application because this one
hasn't been approved that would be just
for off- premise under TABC. So would it
be if we decide to do that would then we
vote this down and he has to come back
with a revised
>> No, you could approve it tonight with
» No, you could approve it tonight with
that condition and um either either uh
Councilwoman Coington and uh Councilman
Parr could withdraw their motion and
enter that as the new motion. That would
be the easiest thing to do
>> and to approve the variance with the off
» and to approve the variance with the off
off premise consumption only. And just
so I know uh what what to do if if it
were denied, would I have to reach back
out to um council for for Tombball ISD
and and request something different in
their in their um wording since they
already approved it or or
>> I wouldn't think so since he's already
» I wouldn't think so since he's already
approved for both inhouse and and
>> corrective.
» corrective.
>> That's correct.
» That's correct.
>> Because we're minimizing that risk.
» Because we're minimizing that risk.
>> Okay. Okay. Um,
» Okay. Okay. Um,
what do you prefer? Which one?
>> Um, well, really, we can work with
» Um, well, really, we can work with
either one.
>> I want you to
» I want you to
>> I think I think not not more of the
» I think I think not not more of the
money, but um don't want for people to
come in there and and just leave
untasteful. So whether that is somebody
coming in there like like a council
member here and seeing that people are
drinking alcohol really close to a
school or somebody else coming in there
and seeing that they can drink their
beer with with um
with with their meal. So I don't think
there's a a right or wrong answer. I
think it's just making an answer. Yeah.
So, does council prefer that we make it
where they cannot consume alcohol on
site and have to leave with it like any
snore?
That's what we agree. You got the
motion. That's your motion.
>> Well, my motion is is exactly as their
» Well, my motion is is exactly as their
application is right now, which is on
premise and drive away with it. Wii
which Okay. Um
I can withdraw my motion if that's what
council wants. I would still prefer that
motion to be voted on. That's my
preference. That's why I got the motion
not to amend it to
allow one or the other. It's not that's
not my preference. I'm not going to do
that. I'm not going to amend my motion
to have one or the other. I could
withdraw it or we could vote on it and
it can get whatever you want, but um or
I could just withdraw it. I don't I
don't personally want alcohol there at
all. I understand it's just up the
street, but had I been on had that not
been grandfathered in, I would have
voted no for that as well.
>> So then procedurally, if that were to
» So then procedurally, if that were to
happen, okay, we you vote on this
motion. If it passes, we move on. If it
fails, then someone could enter another
motion to reconsider item or reconsider
the item tonight and enter the motion
for off off premise.
>> Well, I say we we go ahead and vote on
» Well, I say we we go ahead and vote on
this motion that we have. Okay.
>> And can you repeat that so I know I'm
» And can you repeat that so I know I'm
making
>> So tonight because you can't make an
» So tonight because you can't make an
amendment. The amendment has to be
gerine to the motion.
>> So since you can't do that in this
» So since you can't do that in this
situation, right?
>> Tonight would be you vote on it on the
» Tonight would be you vote on it on the
motion as it is, which is to approve for
on premise consumption.
>> Okay. If that fails, then a council
» Okay. If that fails, then a council
member with a motion and second could
ask for a motion to reconsider, which we
would just do a votes void votes voice
vote I can talk and then you could enter
in someone could enter in a motion to
say
>> okay,
» okay,
>> you know motion and second to approve
» you know motion and second to approve
for off- premise consumption only.
>> Thomas, I know you keep saying on
» Thomas, I know you keep saying on
premise consumption. Does that go
without saying that if somebody has on
premise consumption that means they can
also drive away with it? It it really
depends on u the the the way TVC rules
is it's it's on premise includes both
can buy it there would
>> be misled by the fact that he keeps
» be misled by the fact that he keeps
saying on premise on premise means drink
it there and drive away with it. Okay.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay. Good point.
» Okay. Good point.
>> Right. Yes. Thank you.
» Right. Yes. Thank you.
>> That's what we're voting on right now.
» That's what we're voting on right now.
Yeah.
>> Let's call for the vote.
» Let's call for the vote.
>> Thank you everyone.
» Thank you everyone.
Thank you.
» Okay. Motion fails.
» So now if we want to amend it, the
second can
>> procedurally what you would do is that
» procedurally what you would do is that
someone would enter a motion to
reconsider the item because the item's
done. So you could somebody would do a
motion in a second reconsider the item.
We can bring it back on the table and
then enter in the new motion.
>> Do we have a motion to reconsider the
» Do we have a motion to reconsider the
item?
No. And we'll move on to the next next
item
number six. Consideration and action on
a variance request from Corville Road
LLC for alcohol sales at 22623 Huffsmith
Corville Road Tomal, Texas due to
proximity to a public school property.
>> This is different.
» This is different.
>> So thank you uh
» So thank you uh
>> Mayor Pro Tim and council. Um so this is
» Mayor Pro Tim and council. Um so this is
a resubmission from um a request for
resubmission from Roadstar. Uh just a
brief highlight and the applicant does
is here on site and um uh they have a
presentation if council would would like
to see it. Otherwise, they're they're
here to answer questions.
>> Let me do the motion.
» Let me do the motion.
>> Oh, apologies.
» Oh, apologies.
>> We'll go there.
» We'll go there.
>> Okay, sounds good.
» Okay, sounds good.
>> Is there a motion
» Is there a motion
>> to regard a varian request from Corville
» to regard a varian request from Corville
Road LLC for alcohol sales at 22623 Huff
Huffmith Corville Road, Tomal, Texas,
due to proximity to a public school
property? Motion
>> second
» second
>> discussion.
» discussion.
Do we want
>> the exact same as we had two weeks ago?
» the exact same as we had two weeks ago?
>> It is the same one.
» It is the same one.
>> So, how does something get on an agenda
» So, how does something get on an agenda
two weeks later? Did somebody on council
request it or did the mayor request it?
>> I was told that they can come back as
» I was told that they can come back as
much time as many times they like.
>> Okay. So, the applicant ask again back
» Okay. So, the applicant ask again back
they fill out the application, resubmit
the fees. Um they're they're allowed to.
Um, there are zoning variances that
there's by state law there's like a
one-year timer. Okay.
>> Unless circumstances have changed. But
» Unless circumstances have changed. But
for other types of variances, if they're
willing to pay the fee again and go
before council again, they they have the
opportunity.
>> So, they pay the fee again.
» So, they pay the fee again.
>> Yes.
» I think would we like to have the
gentleman come up here and speak to us?
>> No.
» No.
>> Councilman Par.
» Councilman Par.
>> Let him come up anyway.
» Let him come up anyway.
>> Yeah. Sir, would you like to speak?
» Yeah. Sir, would you like to speak?
Come on up. Give your name and address,
please. Sir,
» my name is Danish Manasia uh 5903
Diamond Shadow Court, Rosenberg, Texas
77469.
Um I would like to uh uh point out a
point that last meeting it was denied
because I was told that uh you know
council was not uh clear of what is
going to come over there. uh they had a
uh you know misunderstanding that it was
going to be somebody spoke to me and it
was going to be a shopping center and
not a gas station and so that's why I'm
here to clarify that uh you know I had
plans that been submitted to the city
and so the construction permits are uh
you know we are on on the process for
getting a TABC once we get approved then
the construction permit will be issued
um but it's a gas station it's not a
shopping center and um so I think that's
what I wanted to clarify and I know uh
council just uh voted on L reserva um
you know so I want to also point out a
fact that uh this BG permit I have about
nine operating gas stations and I have
experience with the same kind of permit
and uh I have a I don't even have a
single violation so far in any of my
stores um second thing um I have a
restaurant space too where we allow but
most of the time I would say eight out
of 10 times you know in a gas station
nobody sits and drink cuz it's not
specifically a restaurant but I do have
a restaurant and we uh provide that
option for customers to come in. Second
thing is uh there's a product that
everybody's aware of it's a dye to go
and so TABC requires us to get that
permit if we want to sell it. uh for
diaries to go. Usually all of my
locations we seal the packets. They
cannot open or consume it on the
premises. But uh just because of the
nature of dairy uh instead of a BQ
permit which is a regular sales permit I
have to apply for BG.
» Any questions?
No questions.
>> Thank you sir. Appreciate it.
» Thank you sir. Appreciate it.
>> Thank you. Let's
» Thank you. Let's
>> call for the vote.
motion fails. One to five. I'm one to
four, sir.
Then
we go to item number seven.
Consideration of an action of resolution
2026-42,
a resolution of the city of Tombal,
Texas, approving and authorizing an
interlocal cooperation contract between
the city of Tombal and its municipal
courts and the Texas Department of
Public Safety. Mr. Harris, can you
elaborate more on this, please, sir?
>> Yes, sir. I sure can. Um the um Texas
» Yes, sir. I sure can. Um the um Texas
Department of Public Safety uh
particularly in their driver's license
division um is making a um conversion
that would be effective at the first of
the year um in which um
this conviction reporting for for for
these type of violations it rather than
it being a manual process becomes an
entirely digital uh process for that.
Um, so it it it it allows the court to
electronically submit these violations.
Um, they're uploaded real time to DPS.
Um, and um would allow the our municipal
court to participate uh in this type of
reporting feature for uh DPS. Um, it's
called the Texas convention Texas
conviction reporting interface. Um and
uh per DPS what they're asking uh
jurisdictions to do is to uh enter into
a interlocal cooperation agreement uh
with the municipal court. Um and so what
this resolution tonight before you will
do will um if if council approves it
allow the mun or to participate in that
electronic process which allows
real-time data to be sent regarding
convictions to uh uh DPS and then um
authorize the city manager to uh execute
the interlocal agreement or designate
the court administrator or the interim
board administrator to do that on on his
behalf.
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
» Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
resolution number 2026-42?
So moved
>> second
» second
>> discussion,
you have anything you'd like to add,
council woman?
>> No, it's it makes life easier for the
» No, it's it makes life easier for the
officers and I mean that's what the gist
of what I'm getting from it. It's It's a
positive thing moving forward. I don't
know much about it.
» Councilman Parr,
>> anytime you can share information, it's
» anytime you can share information, it's
good.
>> Councilman Coington,
» Councilman Coington,
>> that was my exact take on it when I was
» that was my exact take on it when I was
reading this.
>> Councilman Denn,
» Councilman Denn,
>> same thing.
» same thing.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Call for the vote.
Motion carries 5-0.
>> Next item is approve resolution number
» Next item is approve resolution number
2026-37,
a resolution of the city of Tombball,
Texas approving updates to the fiscal
year 2026 2027 master fee schedule. Miss
Majio, you have anything to add?
>> Um, all proposed changes to the master
» Um, all proposed changes to the master
fee schedule were based on the actual
cost of service. So when we looked at
the tap fees, impact or not impact fees,
tap fees, uh development fees, we looked
at the actual cost of the service. Um,
additionally, we just did a cleanup for
the ease of use and removed any fees
that were excluded due to legislative
updates. The biggest note on this is
that due to the utility billing cycle,
these rates will go into effect on the
September 15th bill that'll be through
October and will be reflective on the
bill issued in or due in November.
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
» Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
resolution number 2026-37?
Motion
>> second.
» second.
>> Discussion.
Councilman Dunan. Anything to add?
Councilwoman.
Councilman Park. Councilman Cington.
Call for the vote.
Motion carries 5.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
Approve resolution number 2026-39,
a resolution of the city of Tombball,
Texas, adopting the city of Tombball's
fiscal year 2027 through 2031
capital improvement plan. Miss Majio,
>> um this is just the annual update that
» um this is just the annual update that
we do every year um to reflect the
changing needs, project priorities,
available funding. Um the projects that
were included in this one are
encompassing between water, wastewater,
drainage, anything that has been
presented in our previously adopted
master plans.
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
» Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
resolution number 2026-39?
» Motion.
>> Second
» Second
>> discussion.
» discussion.
Appears to be none. Call for the vote.
Motion carries 5-0.
>> Thank you. Next item. Ratify the
» Thank you. Next item. Ratify the
financial year 2026 2027 budget and find
that the pro proposed tax rate of
34940
per $100 exceeds the no new revenue tax
rate and will generate more property tax
revenue than the financial year 2026
2025 through 2026 budget.
Sir,
>> yes. This item will ratify the uh the
» yes. This item will ratify the uh the
current tax rate that we currently are
uh using for this year as our rate for
next year's budget and it just ratifies
it in as used as the rate that we
calculated our budget for next year
with.
>> Thank you sir. Is there a motion to
» Thank you sir. Is there a motion to
ratify the financial year 2026 2027
budget and find that the proposed
proposed tax rate of 340940 per $100
exceeds the no new revenue tax rate and
will generate more property tax revenue
than the financial year 2025 through
2026 budget.
Motion
>> second
» second
>> discussion.
» discussion.
Could we explain to everybody how that
we're not increasing taxes, but we are
increasing taxes?
So, so what happens is your property
values will actually go up next year.
So, if you have a $300,000 house, maybe
this year's uh price value of your
property may be 330,000.
And so even though your tax rate is the
same as it is next year as it is this
year, you'll actually pay a little bit
more because your actual value of your
house has gone up.
>> And who sets those values?
» And who sets those values?
>> The county does.
» The county does.
>> That's right. Not the city of
» That's right. Not the city of
>> No, no. The only thing we do is set the
» No, no. The only thing we do is set the
property tax rate as calculated. And as
this year, we chose to keep the tax rate
the same as our current year. But just
to clarify, the county appraisal
district.
>> County appraisal. Correct.
» County appraisal. Correct.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> And that not everybody's
» And that not everybody's
values do go up.
>> Correct.
» Correct.
>> Things happen. Just depends on what the
» Things happen. Just depends on what the
county appraisal district decides.
>> And I'd also like to mention that the
» And I'd also like to mention that the
the final hearing to ratify our property
tax rate will be Monday, September 8th
at 6 PM in our council chambers.
Tuesday. Tuesday.
>> Well, I appreciate that because I mean,
» Well, I appreciate that because I mean,
as Mr. Danny Hudson said, Facebook
warriors like to come out and tell
everybody how that we raise taxes and I
want to make sure everybody knows
publicly that we did not raise taxes.
Harris County Appraisal Tax.
>> That is correct. That is correct.
» That is correct. That is correct.
>> Thank you, sir. Do Do you happen to know
» Thank you, sir. Do Do you happen to know
the amount of properties coming on the
tax roll for the first time for next
year?
I believe it was a um hundred and
something million dollars. Yeah. I don't
know.
But council woman, you have anything to
add?
>> Anything else?
» Anything else?
>> Let's call for the vote.
» Motion carries 5-0.
Next item, adopt.155156
as the portion of the 2026 tax rate to
fund the interest and syncing fund which
is known as a debt service for the
fiscal year 2026
2027.
Yes sir.
>> This is the portion of said tax rate
» This is the portion of said tax rate
of.34
um that is allocated only toward debt
service. It's the only reason that we
can that's the only purpose that we can
use these funds for. And so um this is
just the adoption of that rate for our
debt service payments. Okay. Is there a
motion to adopt.155156
of the portion of the 2026 tax rate to
fund the interest and syncing fund for
fiscal year 2026
2027?
>> Motion.
» Motion.
Second
>> discussion.
There's no discussions necessary.
Call for the vote.
Motion passes 50.
Thank you. Next item. adopt
185784 as the portion of the 2026 tax
rate to fund the maintenance and
operation the M fund for fiscal year
2026
2027
>> and this is the portion of the tax rate
» and this is the portion of the tax rate
that will be used for maintenance and
operation of the city funds and spending
and whatever we need within our general
fund. These two rates together, the debt
rate in this will equal do equal our
340940
rate that the citizens will see on their
tax bills.
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to adopt
» Thank you. Is there a motion to adopt
185784 as the portion of the 2026 tax
rate to fund the maintenance and
operation fund for fiscal year 2026
2027?
» Motion.
Second
>> discussion.
This is the just for clarification
purposes. This is the part of the tax
rate that is affected by the our tax
rate. I mean the sinking fund is that
debt is whatever it is. Correct.
Correct. That rate. So we can't move
anything on.
>> Yes. The we we resubmit uh all the
» Yes. The we we resubmit uh all the
information to the county and they
actually calculate what our debt rate
is. And in this case, the debt rate
calculated to 1.55.
We knew we wanted, we tried, we built
our budget around the 34 rate. And so
our M rate actually just came in the
difference between that and what the
debt rate is.
>> Okay. Thank you. Any any questions?
» Okay. Thank you. Any any questions?
>> No. Call for the vote.
» Motion carries 5.
>> Okay. Next item, conduct a public
» Okay. Next item, conduct a public
hearing regarding the proposal 2026 tax
rate of.34940
per $100 assessed value for the city of
comball, Texas.
>> And this is just the public hearing
» And this is just the public hearing
portion of the adoption of our tax rate.
So, um I guess you'll need to open up
the the floor as a public hearing.
>> Yeah. The time now is 7:14 p.m. We will
» Yeah. The time now is 7:14 p.m. We will
we will open public hearing
>> and mayor proton we don't have anyone
» and mayor proton we don't have anyone
pre-signed yet.
>> So it is now 74
» So it is now 74
and a half p.m. and we will close the
public hearing.
No action will be taken.
Shen, can you check Zoom to make sure
that the audience can see the screen?
Can I move forward?
Sh my hand.
>> Okay. Okay. Next item. Adopt on reading
» Okay. Okay. Next item. Adopt on reading
ordinance number 2026-35
an ordinance of the city of Tombal,
Texas setting the tax levy of 340940
per $100 of value assessed for the year
2026
on all taxable real and personal
property located in the city of Tomball,
Texas. Providing for penalties,
interest, and additional penalties on
taxes not timely paid. and providing
other matters related to the subject.
>> Yes, this is the ordinance that actually
» Yes, this is the ordinance that actually
adopts our property tax rate um for next
year and there is a motion that I
provided that could please be read into
the uh minutes so that uh that motion
can be passed.
I move that the property tax rate of
340940
be adopted for fiscal year 2027 which is
equal to the tax rate approved for last
year.
>> Second
» discussion.
>> I'd like to thank the city manager and
» I'd like to thank the city manager and
all the department heads for doing this.
We know y'all had to sharpen your
pencils to keep it cut away. Thank you,
David. I mean, I know we ask you to do
it, but it's hard to do.
>> Yeah. No, absolutely.
» Yeah. No, absolutely.
>> We spent hours,
» We spent hours,
months, hours at time. Thank you guys
for all you did.
>> Yeah. The citizens don't realize how
» Yeah. The citizens don't realize how
complicated it is to keep it flat.
>> David's got some gray hair now
» David's got some gray hair now
>> and a couple of them have no hair.
» and a couple of them have no hair.
>> Thank you to the council.
» Thank you to the council.
The main focus the infrastructure drain
energy waste water.
» Very good.
» Let's call for the vote.
» Of course I did.
>> Motion carries 5.
» Motion carries 5.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Next item. Adopt on first reading
» Next item. Adopt on first reading
ordinance number 2026-37
an ordinance of the city of Tombal,
Texas, amending chapter 46, article 4 of
the city of Tombball code of ordinance
to establish conservation and reuse
credits of water and wastewater impact
fees as authorized by chapter 395 of the
Texas local government code. providing
for severability, making findings of
facts, providing for enforcement,
providing an effective date, and
providing for other related manner. Miss
Draftman.
>> Oh, it's mine, but that's okay.
» Oh, it's mine, but that's okay.
>> Oh, sorry.
» Oh, sorry.
>> Uh, this ordinance is just implementing
» Uh, this ordinance is just implementing
the requirements of Senate Bill 14 that
was enacted during the 89th Texas
legislation in 2025. Um, so this is just
kind of finishing up the impact ves and
how we're going to adopt them,
especially since we're heading into our
impact v update. Um the proposed
ordinance will just establish any
eligibility criteria um application
requirements and the methodology for
calculating any credits that would be
due for reuse.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
» Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
2026-37?
>> Motion second.
» Motion second.
>> Discussion.
Let's call for the vote.
Motion carries 5-0.
>> Council, I did want to just say thank
» Council, I did want to just say thank
you for uh passing that ordinance. We
Tomball always likes to set the example
and so we've set the example for our
surrounding areas. We are one of the
first ones in the area to now have an
ordinance on reuse credits. So now we
will be an example for all surrounding
areas.
>> Awesome. Thank you.
» Awesome. Thank you.
>> Thank you for bringing that to us. I was
» Thank you for bringing that to us. I was
excited when I was reading about this
last week.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> All about reuse and conservation.
» All about reuse and conservation.
>> Awesome. Thank you so much. Next item.
» Awesome. Thank you so much. Next item.
Adopt on first reading ordinance
2026-38.
An ordinance of the city of Tombal,
Texas aiming chapter 46.
Drew, is this your item? You want to
expand on it? Fine. Or you rather than
say it all, let me
>> Yeah, it's fine. Um, this is just to
» Yeah, it's fine. Um, this is just to
establish a policy for the city
participation in the cost of oversized
water and wastewater lines. So, when we
have a developer that comes to us and
they may be I'm just going to explain
it. It's probably easier. Um, they may
have to install a 6-in line, but our
master plan says we need a 16inch line.
The city will pay for the pipe
difference. So, this is just putting
this the practice into policy so that we
have something to actually push out.
>> Gotcha. Is there a motion to adopt
» Gotcha. Is there a motion to adopt
ordinance number 2026-38?
>> Motion.
» Motion.
>> Second
» Second
>> discussion
» discussion
to to to reiterate when I was reading
about this last week and I talked to
David about it. He really mentioned that
this is just kind of codifying what
we're already doing.
>> Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I
» Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I
thought we were already doing this.
>> Said that, but I was just
» Said that, but I was just
>> You approved one earlier for South
» You approved one earlier for South
Pimmen
>> when we extended that sewer line. Then
» when we extended that sewer line. Then
we required an eight, but we required a
16 due to the master plan. So we pay for
pipe material only. This really puts
everything in writing and so
we're
>> catching up to it to us is what you're
» catching up to it to us is what you're
saying.
>> No, we'll still come to you with those
» No, we'll still come to you with those
development agreements, but this now
puts it in writing to where if a
developer comes to us and says, "Well,
what's the rule?" We can immediately
hand them the rule.
>> Oh, okay.
» Oh, okay.
>> Okay, that makes sense.
» Okay, that makes sense.
>> No more argument. Find out what find out
» No more argument. Find out what find out
what size pipe you're going to use
before you hand them the rule.
>> That's all done by engineering
» That's all done by engineering
calculations. So they they can't fit
they can't stretch the numbers too much
on that. So
>> good. Let's call for the vote.
» Motion carries 5.
Thank you. The next item is to approve
the expenditure greater than $100,000
with Axiom Enterprise, Inc. for the
annual renewal contract. The contract
starts October 2026 and runs through
2030.
Chief Davis, can you add to it?
>> Yes. This right here is just our annual
» Yes. This right here is just our annual
renewal for this. It's actually a
five-year contract where we that we're
doing for five years. By doing this, let
me explain what a Axon is if anybody
don't know. It's our body cam
>> and our dash cam and to use this so we
» and our dash cam and to use this so we
can be uh totally transparent to the
public. Uh this this also helps us with
uh when our tasers are activated or when
our lights come on in our cars that body
cam automatically comes on. So it's set
to protect the police but also be
transparent with the public for what we
doing. And um they're pretty stable uh
body cams as well. I know some people
had some questions about why do we go to
that but Axon for right now has been the
number one thing that we've had across
the nation and also uh the stability of
it. When we first tried this for some
new companies when it first started
about six or seven years ago if somebody
hit me my body cam went flying this way
and nobody could tell what really
happened. Did did at the time Sergeant
Davis beat somebody up or did he really
knock it off? But we have a new um we
have like a lot of new uh technology. So
let me explain one technology to this
that that we love and then just talk
about it. We also have on this body
camera now we have translation. So if I
need to speak to someone say I'm
speaking in Spanish and we need to
translate and I can't speak uh I can't
speak the language it has translation on
the body cam itself.
>> Oh wow.
» Oh wow.
>> Yeah. And it has over 50 languages to it
» Yeah. And it has over 50 languages to it
and so we can have translation between
that and the so I can speak it turn it
on. So I believe it's it's it's money
well spent um and what we doing and
everything else. So that's uh and it
also what it also does that I really
love about it as being the chief is that
when all any of our officers are down or
we can't respond to them on the radio uh
we can we can zoom in into that camera
and we can zoom into the dash camera and
if not they're not responding we have an
officer down we can actually look at
live feed and see where our officer at
because they're not answering the radio.
So this is why we want to renew this
contract.
>> Let me do this. Is there a motion to
» Let me do this. Is there a motion to
approve the expenditure greater than
$100,000 with Axim Enterprise for annual
review renewal contract?
>> So moved.
» So moved.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Okay, let's continue our discussion. Um,
» so you can speak English and it can
speak Chinese to you.
>> You want to demonstrate? We we brought
» You want to demonstrate? We we brought
just in case you want to de demonstrate.
We want we just we anticipated if y'all
wanted to see it.
>> That's cool.
» That's cool.
>> Huh? Yeah, I can speak Spanish.
» Huh? Yeah, I can speak Spanish.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> You want me to say something to you?
» You want me to say something to you?
>> I'll get started.
» I'll get started.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> We just want to get you on camera.
» We just want to get you on camera.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Let me get in here.
» Let me get in here.
>> Speed around. Hookie move.
» Speed around. Hookie move.
>> Translate to Spanish.
» Spanish.
>> That mic.
» That mic.
>> How you doing tonight?
» How you doing tonight?
>> Hold on.
Oh, how are you? Why are you stopping
me? What happened?
>> What happened? Why did you stop him?
» What happened? Why did you stop him?
What happened?
Did it get in? Oh,
>> I talk now.
» I talk now.
>> Oh, come on. It's going to translate the
» Oh, come on. It's going to translate the
Spanish.
» Once you hear the beeping, you can talk.
Ready?
>> Yes. Goes off the language hears.
» What are we going to do? Are you going
to I have money for you.
» Thank you.
>> That's really cool. That's awesome.
» That's really cool. That's awesome.
>> That's pretty cool.
» That's pretty cool.
>> That is great.
» That is great.
>> Just another part of the tools that we
» Just another part of the tools that we
use for the job that we have with 50
different languages, but we just tried
one. So that's why we need this contract
renewed for 5 years. Also, I want to say
by renewing this for the five years,
we're saving $59,000 with Axon as well
by doing it. And that's a savings of
$59,000 additional that we're saving
with this
>> instead of going year to year.
» instead of going year to year.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Fantastic.
» Fantastic.
>> Thank you.
» Councilman, can I add one more thing?
>> Yes, sir. With that being said, also
» Yes, sir. With that being said, also
within there, everything, all of our
equipment gets renewed when the lifespan
ends within that contract. So, if they
come out with a new camera tomorrow,
they upgrade us across the board with
the latest and greatest stuff. That's
the same contract we had before, sir.
So, thank you.
>> Any other questions?
» Any other questions?
Call for the vote.
Motion carries 5.
>> Next item, consideration of an action of
» Next item, consideration of an action of
ordinance 2026-39,
an ordinance of the city of council of
the city of Tombball, Texas, amending
chapter 32, settlers and solicitors, and
chapter 48, vehicle for hire of the code
of ordinance of the city of Tombball,
amending article 2, chapter 32.
Mr. Harris, can you elaborate more on
this?
>> Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Uh, just a
» Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Uh, just a
brief overview. Um, so the purpose of
this particular um um ordinance before
you on first reading is to align our
city code with uh state statutes um
particularly local government code uh
chapter uh 411 section 122.
um and to also standardize some
licensing terminology um and then an
effort to improve efficiencies uh
eliminating uh certain redundancies. So
under chapter 32 um in order to come in
line with uh what the state code
basically says is that uh in order to
conduct the type of background checks
that we conduct which is the fingerprint
licensing uh for a peddler or vendor's
permit. Um basically the terminology the
the needs to change to where it's for a
license that only the city can issue. Um
and so there's no standardized uh uh uh
you know permit that they can they can
get from or license that they can get
from the state since this is a local
regulation. So in order to come
compliant with that aspect of the
government code um if council would like
to uh for staff to continue to do the
fingerprint uh background checks um then
our code needs to to be modified under
chapter 32 for peddlers and vendors um
changing it from a permit to an actual
uh license. So this way um when we go
into the system we can still do the the
background checks with DPS that gives a
full background check which also
includes uh a search of the FBI uh uh
database.
Um for the chapter 48 uh what what uh uh
staff is suggesting is uh actual removal
of the fingerprint uh for the tow truck
permits. Um because the the Texas
Department of License and and Regulation
already does this. Um uh you know, tow
truck vendors have to get a TDLR uh
license and and through the state they
already do the uh background check. Um,
and so this would help streamline the
process for staff. Um, um, and and and
getting rid of the duplicate background
checks. Um, which would also eliminate
the duplicate fees that could possibly
be triggered from paying a state fee as
well as as local fee can increase
processing time and things of that
nature. And, you know, because part of
the application, they have to show proof
that they're licensed with TDLR. Um so
in summary um basically you know we're
just bringing some illegal alignment
especially with chapter 32 with what the
state code says about licensing um um
under the the um peddlers and vendors
permit um and then u eliminating the
redundancy and having some um
operational efficiencies through that
under chapter 48 and then like said
clarifying some of the terminology. Um
so with that I'd be happy to answer any
questions you may have. Um, also brought
my lawyer so if he can too is she.
>> Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
» Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
number 2026-39?
» Motion. Second
>> discussion.
No questions. We'll call for the vote.
Motion carries 5.
>> Thank you. At this time, city council
» Thank you. At this time, city council
will meet in executive session as
authorized by tit title 5, chapter 551,
government code, the Texas Open Meetings
Act, for the following purposes.
There will be no
action items upon our return. We will
merely rec adjourn.
You're welcome to stay.
>> Yeah. And you can stay if you want.
» Yeah. And you can stay if you want.
>> Oh,
» Oh,
>> so we're now in recess. We're now in
» so we're now in recess. We're now in
recess. May prom.
>> Thank you.
The meeting is adjourned.
It becomes the first