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Is there anybody has not signed up that

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would like to speak? My apologies.

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>> No.

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» No.

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>> Okay. Thank you. We'll move on to the

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» Okay. Thank you. We'll move on to the

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next item. General discussion. The

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Tomball City Council and the city staff

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will enter enter into a workshop session

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to discuss the citywide compensation

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and benefit study.

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Miss Lewis, it's yours.

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>> Thank you, Mayor Pro Council. So, um

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» Thank you, Mayor Pro Council. So, um

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this evening we this item is to discuss

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where we are our findings with our

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compensation and benefit study. our

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primary consultant with McGrath Melena

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Hayes is here by Zoom to give us that

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overview.

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>> And good evening. Can everyone hear me?

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» And good evening. Can everyone hear me?

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» Yes, we can hear you.

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>> Excellent. Good evening. Um I do have a

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» Excellent. Good evening. Um I do have a

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slide deck um that I would like to

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share. Oh, there we go. Looks like we

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got that looks like we got that taken

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care of here. Let me just get my slide

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deck moved over. I'm going to keep this

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in Well, actually here. I apologize. Um,

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there we go.

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There we go. Sorry about that. My name

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is Melena Halbertson Mace. I am a senior

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consultant with McGrath human resources

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group and I am the primary project

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manager that has been uh working with

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the city for the last couple of months.

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And so I felt that it would be better

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for me to just uh give you a a couple

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slide decks just to walk through where

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we are at with this project because it

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is not uh it is not yet complete. But we

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wanted to give you uh give you an update

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and let you know everything uh that is

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still to come. Um so just to to dive

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right in when we work on compensation

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systems um what we have a very specific

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methodology that we will put into each

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of our projects. The first thing that we

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do is we meet with administration and

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human resources and we will meet with

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the leadership of each of the

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departments so that we can start to

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understand the organization, your goals,

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your needs, your challenges, things of

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that nature. And at very more

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importantly or not more importantly but

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equal importantly with the departments,

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we're actually talking with the

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departments about their operations and

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each of the positions and what those

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positions are responsible to do. So that

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when we do go out to the external

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market, we are making sure that we are

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collecting the relevant uh salary data

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so that we can do a meaningful

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comparison of of the city against the

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rest of your comparator comparator

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group. When we have all of that, then um

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as we're receiving that, then we're

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taking a look at your current

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compensation system, your job

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descriptions, your policies. How are you

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currently compensating? what does your

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system look like? We go out to the

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market um and we collect the minimum,

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the midpoint, and the maximum of the

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salary ranges for the comparable for the

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comparable positions. That helps us

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understand what your salary ranges are

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doing against the external markets

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salary ranges. And then we also take a

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look at incumbent rates of pay. Um,

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incumbent rate of pay sometimes tells a

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little bit of a different story where

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there may be a somewhat of a pressure in

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a very specific position and we might

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see that all of those incumbents are

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heading towards the maximum that that

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gives us an indication that the ranges

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might say one thing but actual wages are

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telling us something different. So we

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collect all of that and then we also

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will utilize the economic research

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institute otherwise called ERRI just so

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that we can get um an understanding of

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other regions along with the private the

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private sector. We also then asked for

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employees to complete what's called a

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position questionnaire in addition to

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the meetings that we had with your

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department directors to learn about

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about the positions and and having the

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job descriptions. We wanted to hear

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directly from the employees. Those

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employees, all of the information that

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they provided to us in terms of their

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responsibilities within their role was

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reviewed by their supervisors before it

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was provided back to McGrath so that we

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could adequately run a position uh

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analysis. And at this point, because our

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studies, they take several months. Um at

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that point when we got through that

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analysis what was determined was uh you

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know take the existing compensation

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system that the city has and updated

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against the external comparable market

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and then um and then we will continue to

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work um towards our probably our what I

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would consider our more long-term

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recommendations uh for you. So, what

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you're going to see here this evening

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are the the the recommendations um and

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then what we're hoping will be some

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future opportunities for the city.

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These are the the list of comparable

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organizations that we went out to

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collect uh market data. You will see

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it's a very comprehensive list from

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within uh your immediate region. And

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then um we also went out like I said to

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the economic research institute that

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allows us to receive information um on

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in the private sector and that it also

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lets us take a look at other areas

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within the Texas region if we wanted to

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compare what the Houston market is doing

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against say the San Antonio market or

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the Dallas market etc etc. So when we

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did that then what we did was we studied

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each of your positions that we were able

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to benchmark and a highlevel overview of

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our findings is listed here in a

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nutshell. Um I don't want to spend a lot

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of time talking about the the salary

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range minimums that percentages that you

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see on the screen. And the reason why um

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is because you this this really does go

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into what your salary how your structure

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is at this point. We're going to talk

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about that here in a in a future slide.

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But what I've done here for you is I've

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broken down um to give you a percentage

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highlevel look at the percentage of

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positions that are at a competitive

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market range. Those that are within 5%

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in most cases would still be considered

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market uh market competitive, but we

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really have to pay very very close

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attention to them because if the city

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doesn't take any action on them soon,

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they're going to slip in the market and

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they're going to lose their

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effectiveness. And then the bottom

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number is uh the percentage of positions

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that was greater than 5% from the market

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which would deem them to be too far away

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from our um from our findings to to

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consider to be to be market aligned. And

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what you're seeing here big picture is

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that the majority of the positions um

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are are um you know there's not any one

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particular area that that um is tell is

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is everything that the whole model

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itself is is um is out of market but you

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do have close to half of your positions

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that were found to be under the relative

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market. the other um you know the

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remaining other half of them they're

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doing okay. And so um you know that it

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really does um go into when when the

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city is not making economic adjustments

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to their to their salary ranges for a

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period of years, you're going to a

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little bit more quicker fall behind in

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the market. So when the city indicated

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to us that there actually has not been

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an economic adjustment on to the ranges

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even though the employees have received

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increases,

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these numbers are not necessarily

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surprising to me. And what that results

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then in is that not only do your ranges

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need to be adjusted, but there may be

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some additional positions within each of

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those paygrades that need to move to

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better uh to better reflect uh the

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external market. because the ultimate

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goal here is to make sure that your

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salary ranges are going to help benefit

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the city in terms of your retention and

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your recruitment.

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So with that then the other area that we

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started taking a look at is your

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demographics and how that relates to to

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you know where it is that we believe

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that the city needs to go. When we look

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at you overall as an organization,

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you your your your average tenure in the

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organization is not quite as high as the

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national average is. Um the national

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average is of for public sector is 6.4

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years and the city is at about 5.4 years

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which means you're not holding on to

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your human capital as long as uh as long

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as we would like. you have 59% of your

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employees that are under the age of 40.

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And this really is more where your risk

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area is because um the that is the

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workforce right now, that age group.

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They're the ones that tend to leave an

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organization for a better opportunity

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and they're a little bit more mobile. I

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will say not to say that those that are

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over 40 are not mobile. They absolutely

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are. But um those that are under 40,

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it's it's um it's almost expected that

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unless they are going to embrace the

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organization and be compensated what

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they believe that their worth is that

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they are going to leave. Your risk does

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not appear to be for retirements. You

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don't have very many people in the

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pipeline that are going to be turning

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over for that reason. So really uh

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really the the focus or the the strategy

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of the city when we are looking at it is

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your compensation, your career

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development opportunities so you can

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grow and develop those folks to help

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keep them there. That's going to tie

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into the benefits which will be coming

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uh that that which will be coming to

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you. And so we we do recommend here that

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um that you that you focus a little bit

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more on retention and the

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competitiveness of the ranges than

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necessarily maybe worrying about

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retirements coming up. So with that,

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what does that have to do with anything?

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compensation structure. And um we found

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that in our market findings as well

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because we were looking at those

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minimums and you have you know a you

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know you have a fair number of positions

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that are a little bit lower in the

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minimums. What you have right now is you

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have a 50% spread from the minimum

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number to the maximum number. And when

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you are considering that, okay, um what

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we want is for your employees to get as

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close to the midpoint as um as as

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quickly as possible. And the reason

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being is that the midpoint really is

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your market number. 25% spread from

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minimum to midpoint. Right now based

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upon the last study that you did the the

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pathway is approximately or the plan is

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about 10 years and right now in this

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current market um that we are

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experiencing all across the United

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States 10 years is too long. So there is

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going to have to be a mechanism to get

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your employees elevated up to that

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midpoint. it. We need to accelerate them

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faster or we have to um revisit your

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salary ranges and whether or not that

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widespread that you have is really

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working for you because the minimums are

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are too low. They're not they're not

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necessarily helpful for you and it the

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pathway for your employees could

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potentially be too long and then they

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get frustrated and they find a better

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opportunity and they leave. So in

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addition to that, because the city has

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not actually done any economic

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adjustments on those ranges themselves,

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that has continued to compound your

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position in the market. And that's why

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it might be surprising to you when you

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see the percentage of positions that

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were under market. Um but but to us that

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that makes um absolute sense. Now

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certainly you know this is just looking

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at your ranges not necessarily your

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employee um rates of pay about where

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where they are at. This is really just

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looking at um at the structure at the

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structure only.

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So when we go into recommendations

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there's really two areas uh that we

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focus on. The first one is compensation

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philosophy and the second one is

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compensation strategy. And there really

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is a difference between the two of them.

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The compensation philosophy of an

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organization is going to define um your

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approach to your compensation. It's

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where you want to compete within your

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market and that then helps us establish

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where where do we need to take from

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there. And historically the city it's my

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understanding has held a 50th percentile

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compensation philosophy and that that is

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continuing to this day. So the

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recommendations that we built for the

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city at this point are based on on that

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existing compensation philosophy.

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The compensation strategy, however, is

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really what do we do with that

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philosophy in or in order to make it

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happen? What are those action items

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going to be? It's going to be what your

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structure looks like, what your policies

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look like, how often are you going to do

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market reviews, um things of of that

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nature. So how do we how do we make that

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50th percentile or average market

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compensation? How do how do we execute

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it? So the philosophy sets the direction

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and the strategy here delivers the

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results. And I think that that's

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important. Those are two very important

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distinctions as we walk through what our

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our uh pre what I'll call our

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preliminary recommendations.

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recommendations for you to be able to

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get working on on the budget or finalize

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the budget, I should say, while the

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human resources director and I continue

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to um finalize the report or the the

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study. So, our overall recommendations

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for the city um was to take your

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existing salary ranges and to update

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them uh to better align to that target

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point of the 50th percentile. though.

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So, we left that alone and that also

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then resulted in some additional

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positions that needed to go into new pay

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grades. Um, those pay grades I have

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studied those those changes. I do not

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believe that we have interrupted any

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type of internal comparability. Um, I

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think that we are we will be we will be

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okay um with that. And with that then

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means all right well now we have all of

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your employees in their salary ranges

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and what happens with them and I there

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may be some questions to that. Um the

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the intent as I understand it at this

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point is uh a cola adjustment along with

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my my recommendations on the market

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adjustments for those particular salary

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ranges.

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With that in mind, this is almost a All

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right, this is the the pin in the

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project as of where we are at as of

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today. We still have a little bit more

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work to do. We have a pretty pretty

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comprehensive list to go. Um the first

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one is is that I do want to talk with

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your city administration and human

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resources about making some adjustments

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to your salary structure. And um you

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know I think that the structure itself

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is going to look very similar to what it

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is right now. But I think that you've

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got some opportunities to relieve a

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little bit of compression and to think

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about and talk about what is that

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strategy to get your employees to that

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um more competitive midpoint in a more

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um reasonable number of years. Um, we're

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going to take a look at your

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compensation policy and uh provide some

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long-term recommendations on whether or

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not anything might need to uh be

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changed. And we will also review

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compression. Compression is that

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separation between ranks, but it also

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might be separation within a respective

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um salary range. One of the interesting

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things that we found with your fire

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operations is that you have a unique um

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you have a unique annual divisor that

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you use. Um we will have some

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recommendations on how the city might be

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able to adjust that so that you are more

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aligned with what we would find in the

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external market based upon what the work

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schedule of the department is. We're

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looking at your benefits, how those you

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know what opportunities are out there

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for the organization. They may be um

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very modest adjustments and that become

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very meaningful when you're looking at

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the total package that that you are able

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to offer your employees. We're taking a

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look at your certification and

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skill-based pay which is um you know it

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is uh very significant in the state of

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Texas. We know that and so that analysis

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is is just about complete. And the last

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thing that we are going to talk about

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here is your compensation philosophy and

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your position in market. Um, and we'll

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start that conversation with your

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administration and human resources and

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talk about if there's any appetite in

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the future to talk about something over

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the the 50th percentile. You are in a

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very very um difficult market. the

428
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Houston market, it's very very

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aggressive and um perhaps positioning

430
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you a little bit higher than the average

431
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will will work better for you,

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especially if the city opts not to do

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annual economic adjustments on the

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salary ranges because what otherwise

435
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,760
happens is when the rest of the e when

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the rest of the world kind of goes on

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without you, okay, in in that in that

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00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,079
essence, what happens is that you don't

439
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,079
necessarily have a parachute underneath

440
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you um it won't take more than a couple

441
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of years. I would say probably not more

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than two years and all of the sudden

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you're going to find that you're no

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longer at that market again. Um, and so

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by positioning you maybe a little bit

446
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more a little elevated above that

447
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average, what it's basically doing is

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it's giving you a little bit of cushion.

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That way, if you're not making annual um

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economic adjustments, which I do

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recommend that you do, but if you don't

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make economic adjustments on an annual

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basis to the ranges, those ranges are

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still going to continue to be market

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competitive. Maybe not at the 55th or

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the 60th percentile, but it will still

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at least be the average. And that is

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going to give you some longevity in your

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ranges and and you know so therefore

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hopefully you won't necessarily see as

461
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big a swings in in your ranges as what

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you might have um coming up here in the

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next year. So a lot to take in. I I

464
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:01,359
talked really fast. I should tell you

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all I'm from I'm from Wisconsin and

466
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sometimes I talk fast because of that

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and I apologize. Uh, but I'd like to

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talk about any questions that the

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council might have if that is

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appropriate to do so.

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>> This time, is there any comments or

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» This time, is there any comments or

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questions from council?

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>> How often do you think you ought to do a

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» How often do you think you ought to do a

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rate adjustment? Every year.

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>> So, the ranges themselves should be

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» So, the ranges themselves should be

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adjusted every year. Yes. Um, now, and

480
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that there's some caveats to that. If

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there's an economic decline, then no,

482
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probably not. that's not going to

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happen. But we do re we do recommend

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that even if it's a modest adjustment

485
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each year, it helps you when you do the

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when you do a market update in the

487
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future, you know, usually every 3 to 5

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00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,599
years is what we recommend for that. Um

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we don't want those to be big financial

490
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,960
spikes. And so the more that you can put

491
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,760
on there each year, it's going to

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00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,480
flatten those spikes down when it is

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time to do a market update.

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We did our last rate adjustment three

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years ago.

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>> That's right.

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» That's right.

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00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,710
>> Yeah, that's about right.

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» Yeah, that's about right.

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>> And we chose at that time we had a whole

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» And we chose at that time we had a whole

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00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,319
different group of cities than what you

503
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:19,280
chose. And I meant you're taking the

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Houston market and we were taking the

505
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same close to the same size cities

506
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as we are. So you're just saying because

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00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,280
we're close to Houston, we've got to use

508
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,880
a different market now. Well, what we

509
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,960
are finding is that wages are re very

510
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,400
regionalized and the um you know we we

511
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,720
think about your flow of your human

512
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:44,480
capital. Where are you bringing them in

513
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,359
from and where do you run the risk that

514
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:49,440
you're losing them to? And that is you

515
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,200
know usually going to be very much the

516
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,359
Houston market because people in and and

517
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:56,640
their travels. We did study um we

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00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,520
studied Dallas, we studied Austin. Um

519
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:00,880
and I do believe that there was another

520
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,520
metro area that we studied because when

521
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,280
you think about your leadership

522
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,520
positions, your department directors

523
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,240
probably you are you are um recruiting

524
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,480
more on a statewide basis. So we do have

525
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,280
that information. But sometimes it's if

526
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,560
you are if we're trying to compare your

527
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,280
your market, your wages against a

528
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,400
community, and I'm just going to say in

529
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,560
the San Antonio region, two very

530
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,560
different markets um with two very

531
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,720
different needs. And the San Antonio

532
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:32,000
market isn't helping um the Houston

533
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,200
market. So I would recommend yes, stay

534
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,280
as close to the Houston market for the

535
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,280
for the majority of your positions as

536
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,630
you can.

537
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,119
I have a question with the uh like

538
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:46,480
police department. We made some

539
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,599
adjustments last year due to

540
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,560
county and city getting um raises and

541
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,119
bumps in their salary because it was

542
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:56,960
necessary at that time. Was this taken

543
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,160
into account in in your analysis?

544
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,960
So, we studied um we studied the wages

545
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,240
that you that you are at um that you are

546
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,920
at this year and um overall I think that

547
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,720
what you're going to find um is that

548
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,880
there is uh more um modest changes

549
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,280
that's going to be needed from your um

550
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,160
from your police officers perhaps than

551
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,640
um than other positions. So the work

552
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,240
that you did last year is helping to

553
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,280
support um you know not needing a

554
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,760
significant change this year

555
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,829
>> on on the fire department uh shift

556
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:37,839
» on on the fire department uh shift

557
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:41,040
scheduling. What what are you seeing uh

558
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,520
different from either a standard 2448 or

559
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,400
48.96 staffing schedule?

560
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,790
>> Yes. So on the 24 Yeah, I'm sorry.

561
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:50,800
» Yes. So on the 24 Yeah, I'm sorry.

562
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,040
you're on the 48.96 and we don't

563
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,040
recommend that you change that. You

564
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,359
know, that's absolutely operational and

565
00:44:57,359 --> 00:45:00,319
that's very common. So, uh within within

566
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:02,880
the fire service, especially in in the

567
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,040
state of Texas, um so the the there's a

568
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,800
difference between a pay period and a

569
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,800
work period according to the Fair Labor

570
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,079
Standards Act. And so you can establish

571
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,800
because your your fire and your police,

572
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,560
but your you know specifically to your

573
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,560
fire because they're working these you

574
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,760
know 24 48 hour shifts. How do you

575
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,599
calculate their overtime and at what

576
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,560
point does that kick in? And you

577
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,670
>> what's that?

578
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:29,680
» what's that?

579
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,589
>> You're you're ch you you'd recommend

580
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:31,599
» You're you're ch you you'd recommend

581
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,040
changing from a 106 to a 212.

582
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,960
I am recommending that you take a look

583
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,599
at a at a 28day model and that you go to

584
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,599
a 212.

585
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,069
>> Yes.

586
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:44,079
» Yes.

587
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:44,790
>> Thank you.

588
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:44,800
» Thank you.

589
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,710
>> You're welcome.

590
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:50,720
» So to give you an idea, mayor, mayor

591
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,960
prom and council about what effect it is

592
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,640
on the budget and what we have budgeted

593
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,240
in those numbers. So based on what uh

594
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,800
Melena has described, can you go back to

595
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,079
the to the breakdown of what is the

596
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,480
percentage of our positions to the 50th

597
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,640
percentile? No, that little um

598
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,150
>> so what that is showing is just our pay

599
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:14,160
» so what that is showing is just our pay

600
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,680
plan, not the individual uh employees.

601
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,560
But when you So what that means is the

602
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,480
recommendation and the reason why we

603
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,000
didn't want to put it in writing is

604
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,760
because it can be misconstrued the

605
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,160
percentages of the of the cost. So to

606
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,520
move our current pay plan just move the

607
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,839
the men's the max the the midpoints and

608
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:38,079
the max to a competitive comparable uh

609
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:43,440
pay plan. That is an 8.9% move.

610
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,000
So but that doesn't mean in dollars. So

611
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,079
what it means in actual cost based on

612
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:49,680
the individual and where they're at and

613
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,839
this is where it comes into play the

614
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:54,160
work and the adjustments that we made

615
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,480
last year for public safety and those

616
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,079
type of things. It has helped

617
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:02,160
tremendously because that cost to move

618
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,560
people to the bare minimum to the new

619
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,480
market pay plan and to meet their time

620
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,000
and position. So, like let's say

621
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,520
somebody's been in their position 5

622
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,079
years, they should move five years into

623
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:19,119
that um job range. That cost to move to

624
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:22,720
the new plan is $320,000.

625
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,760
So, about I would say

626
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,480
um less than 3%. So, it's about 2%. So,

627
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,240
it fell right in to do the market

628
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,760
adjustments.

629
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,309
>> So, that gets us to minimum. And then of

630
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:34,319
» So, that gets us to minimum. And then of

631
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,240
course to make sure that we stay ahead.

632
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,160
That doesn't mean everybody gets right

633
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,069
>> that that amount. Some people you know

634
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:40,079
» that that amount. Some people you know

635
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,000
like she was saying uh I think right now

636
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,440
the the biggest uh department as a whole

637
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,280
and then there's there's there's some um

638
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,200
even breakdown within departments but as

639
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,720
department as a whole public works is a

640
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,400
re is the ones that are falling behind

641
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,760
right now. Public safety is doing better

642
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,200
because of the estimate we did last

643
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,520
year, but we're talking about overall,

644
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,920
so the cost to just move everybody to

645
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,160
market to the new pay plan is about

646
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,920
$320,000,

647
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,359
about 2 and a half% of what we budgeted

648
00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:14,000
based of our baseline salaries. You add

649
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,920
the 3% cola to make sure that we keep

650
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,839
moving people along in their in their

651
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:19,599
section. So, you're looking at right

652
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:24,000
about 5% and we budgeted 9%. The

653
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,839
remaining is what we're working with

654
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:28,160
Melina on what suggestion is going to be

655
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,079
because we could continue the

656
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,960
performance-based merit system. I think

657
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,920
that has helped. That's why this market

658
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,720
adjustment has not been as big as it

659
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:40,400
could have been if we were just going

660
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,079
along with colas every year. Um, or we

661
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,480
can start looking at our pay plan and

662
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,760
start getting it towards a a uh

663
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,839
structure that best fits the

664
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:54,640
demographics of today. Like she said,

665
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,040
our our pay plan is a is based on a

666
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,119
20-year career. We could start

667
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,200
shortening that. People would would

668
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,319
progress quicker in their job every

669
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:07,599
year. I would say that if we do that, we

670
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,240
would probably have to pull back if not

671
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,559
eliminate the merit-based system because

672
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,599
then people would go too far too fast in

673
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,200
their job description. So th those are

674
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,480
all the things that we're weighing right

675
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,880
now. Um

676
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,319
but what I can tell you is as you can

677
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:23,920
tell that we are well within the

678
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,280
budgeted numbers that we have in the

679
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,990
budget.

680
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,280
I'm gonna say something that probably

681
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,839
not be very popular, but is there any

682
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:37,119
way that if I keep hearing every every

683
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,240
year that, you know, people don't care

684
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,200
about the longevity? In other words, I'm

685
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,920
going to stay here 20 years. Do we want

686
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,880
to grandfather in the people that have

687
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,119
been here for 10 or 15 years, keep them

688
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,000
in, and then do away with that policy

689
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,640
and bring in something else?

690
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,800
that I mean that definitely can be, you

691
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,400
know, as we go through these iterations

692
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,000
about what that means because it's the

693
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,160
impact of these long-term employ. It's

694
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,359
11%.

695
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:10,069
>> So really there's not well 11% of 55 and

696
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:10,079
» So really there's not well 11% of 55 and

697
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,000
older. Um but I see what you're saying,

698
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,069
>> but you grandfather those people in that

699
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:16,079
» but you grandfather those people in that

700
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:20,240
have been here so many years

701
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,640
and then you do away with the policy

702
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,040
because if what I keep hearing is it

703
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,079
doesn't keep anybody

704
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,640
I mean, I've heard that now four or five

705
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,839
years.

706
00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:35,430
>> Define what you mean by

707
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:35,440
» Define what you mean by

708
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:35,990
>> Okay.

709
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:36,000
» Okay.

710
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,109
>> grandfathering it.

711
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:37,119
» grandfathering it.

712
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:38,470
>> A lot of corporation, A lot of

713
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:38,480
» A lot of corporation, A lot of

714
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,880
corporations years ago did away with

715
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,079
health insurance when she got 65

716
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,910
>> and those kind of benefits.

717
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:47,920
» and those kind of benefits.

718
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,390
>> Okay. But if you'd been with the company

719
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:50,400
» Okay. But if you'd been with the company

720
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,680
for and you were say 40 years old and

721
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,559
you'd been with the company 25 years or

722
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,280
45, I don't remember how many 50 years

723
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,280
old and then you were grandfathered in

724
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,520
and you got to keep that policy. But the

725
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,680
new hires like that because they don't

726
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,319
care. They just want the money.

727
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:09,599
That's what I just heard.

728
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:10,630
>> So you're talking about the total

729
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:10,640
» So you're talking about the total

730
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,960
benefit package. Okay, I see what you're

731
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,359
saying.

732
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:15,349
>> And then you could cut back on and then

733
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:15,359
» And then you could cut back on and then

734
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:17,599
you could give the money to them more.

735
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:19,119
You don't have to worry about the long

736
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,160
term,

737
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:20,470
>> right?

738
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:20,480
» right?

739
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,069
>> I got you.

740
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:22,079
» I got you.

741
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,870
>> We do have something similar to that on

742
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:24,880
» We do have something similar to that on

743
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,680
um retiree insurance um subsidy between

744
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,000
before they hit 65 and then they go on

745
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,400
to um Medicare. Um if you were hired

746
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,920
before

747
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,079
2014, I believe it was, then that pol,

748
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,790
>> right? So then those retirees,

749
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:44,800
» right? So then those retirees,

750
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,349
>> that's it.

751
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:45,359
» that's it.

752
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:47,670
>> Could benefit from that. We did an

753
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:47,680
» Could benefit from that. We did an

754
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,839
analysis. I think there's Christie, how

755
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:52,160
many is there left? Two. Two that are

756
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,599
taking advantage and they're going to

757
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,559
fall off of that this next year. So then

758
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:58,079
we talked about, well, if we move that

759
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,720
deadline instead of 2014 and move it up

760
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,520
to 2020, it adds two people potentially

761
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,599
to that. So budget impact is a wash and

762
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,079
I think it gives those employees that

763
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,319
have been here what I think what you're

764
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:12,720
suggesting.

765
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,230
>> Yeah. I want to keep I mean, you know

766
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:14,240
» Yeah. I want to keep I mean, you know

767
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,319
what I'm saying is I don't want to

768
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:18,960
penalize the people that have been here,

769
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,109
>> but if you're going to be your new hires

770
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:21,119
» but if you're going to be your new hires

771
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,440
and stuff like that that you're saying

772
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,599
by this lady saying they don't really

773
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:27,599
care anything but the salary. They're

774
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,800
not looking at keeping a lifetime.

775
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,349
>> Yeah. The tenure in in these positions

776
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:33,359
» Yeah. The tenure in in these positions

777
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:35,839
are very short.

778
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:38,309
>> And I mean, what's your thoughts, uh,

779
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:38,319
» And I mean, what's your thoughts, uh,

780
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:41,520
Chief Davis, on this

781
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,270
>> right now? when you see everything how

782
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:43,280
» right now? when you see everything how

783
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,680
the market is going, what what uh other

784
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,599
agencies are doing, they're frontloading

785
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,119
money. So, basically what they're saying

786
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:50,400
is that we're going to take this money,

787
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,000
we're going to frontload it because we

788
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,319
don't anticipate you retiring with us.

789
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:55,599
That's right. And so, what they're doing

790
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,040
is they're frontloading that money. So,

791
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,559
I I'll make you I'll take a four-year

792
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,480
officer. Just use a number make and in

793
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,880
four years you make 101,000 and then you

794
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,160
frontloading the money. But here's the

795
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,000
thing about it. From that year four to

796
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,800
that year 15 or that year, you're still

797
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,000
going to be that. And so what they're

798
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,760
doing is for recruiting and uh that's

799
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,040
how they do it. It's like hey you come

800
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,599
to us and it looks like big numbers but

801
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,040
it don't talk about the insurance and it

802
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,559
doesn't talk about also how they're

803
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,079
frontloading the money. So basically all

804
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:21,359
they doing is taking that money

805
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:22,480
anticipating that you're not going to

806
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,480
retire in 15 20 years here and we're

807
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,079
going to give you that money right now

808
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:27,520
and then that's how it's going to be.

809
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,950
>> And that's but I'm saying a lot of

810
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:28,960
» And that's but I'm saying a lot of

811
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,960
corporations did that.

812
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,790
>> But what's the data say? Do they stay

813
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:32,800
» But what's the data say? Do they stay

814
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,960
once they get that large pay raise? Are

815
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,599
they tendency to stay another five years

816
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:38,720
maybe 10 years? They say

817
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,710
>> they stay within five and 10 years, but

818
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:40,720
» they stay within five and 10 years, but

819
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,480
to actually have somebody that retired,

820
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,319
like I'm almost at my 20 year, you don't

821
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:46,720
get that anymore. So within that, within

822
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:49,599
the NE 3 to seven years, 3 to 10 years

823
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:51,599
max, that's when they do. And then

824
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,599
that's where they at. Uh when you hire a

825
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,920
new officer, you if you get three to 10

826
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,280
years out of you did a wonderful job

827
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,640
with an officer right now because they

828
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,400
tend to bounce around right now.

829
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,470
>> And and the younger generation, they,

830
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:02,480
» And and the younger generation, they,

831
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,640
you know, we I'm a little bit older, but

832
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,079
yeah, they're about the money and but

833
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:07,680
they don't look at the insurance. But

834
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,200
again, another thing too when we

835
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,359
comparing apples to apples, when you see

836
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:13,119
those numbers inflate out there, they

837
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,520
don't talk about how how well our

838
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,599
insurance is compared to what they're

839
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:18,800
paying in their insurance. So you can

840
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,960
pay somebody $100,000 and then their

841
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,920
insurance is $986 a month versus what we

842
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,280
pay. So you have to compare both like

843
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:25,599
that. But

844
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:26,549
>> you go have a baby.

845
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:26,559
» you go have a baby.

846
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:26,870
>> Yeah.

847
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:26,880
» Yeah.

848
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,230
>> With those kind of insuranceances,

849
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:28,240
» With those kind of insuranceances,

850
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:29,670
>> correct? So that's all they're doing is

851
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:29,680
» correct? So that's all they're doing is

852
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,319
frontload money.

853
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:34,309
>> Some people might.

854
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:34,319
» Some people might.

855
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:35,349
>> It doesn't.

856
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:35,359
» It doesn't.

857
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:37,910
>> Yeah.

858
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:37,920
» Yeah.

859
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,280
Is it the same thing with the fire

860
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,559
department,

861
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:41,349
>> Chief?

862
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:41,359
» Chief?

863
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:43,510
>> Both really what uh we've seen in the

864
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:43,520
» Both really what uh we've seen in the

865
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,680
fire department is sign on bonuses. Uh

866
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,040
between that and then them covering

867
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,200
insurance was a lot of what these ESDs

868
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,240
have done, but where they're when

869
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:53,839
they're doing single resource or single

870
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:57,119
source uh single funding sources. That's

871
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:00,319
that's where it really hurts is they're

872
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:02,640
they'll push a $5,000 sign on bonus

873
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,160
that's given over a two-year period. But

874
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,599
what they're not doing is same thing

875
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:09,760
Sean said. It's that they're not looking

876
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,200
completely at the insurance package.

877
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,880
They see yes, it's free that they're not

878
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,240
paying for it, but they're not seeing

879
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,119
that they have a $10,000 deductible at a

880
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:17,599
minimum.

881
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:18,069
>> Yeah.

882
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:18,079
» Yeah.

883
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,069
>> So there there are a lot of other ones.

884
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:20,079
» So there there are a lot of other ones.

885
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:25,190
>> And Drew, how about your department?

886
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,200
I will say a lot of those numbers with

887
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,960
the,

888
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,960
you know, less than 40 come from our

889
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,040
department. We have probably over half

890
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,800
that are less than 30. Uh

891
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,800
I think our our biggest competitors

892
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,720
aren't always

893
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,200
neighboring cities. They're neighboring

894
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,520
water districts for especially for the

895
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,480
utilities. You know, we have Aqua, HMW,

896
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,040
H2O, all those. So, we've seen quite a

897
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,520
few of our staff get trained here in

898
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,359
Tombball, make really good staff, and

899
00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:00,000
then jump to a private sector making

900
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,760
more money.

901
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,549
>> So, Melania, can you put the slide of

902
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:04,559
» So, Melania, can you put the slide of

903
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,160
the other findings? I guess it's slide

904
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,960
number five.

905
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,510
>> Yeah.

906
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:11,520
» Yeah.

907
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,789
>> And so, go ahead.

908
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:12,799
» And so, go ahead.

909
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:15,510
>> I'm sorry. Well, I was going to say, you

910
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:15,520
» I'm sorry. Well, I was going to say, you

911
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,760
know, part of the challenge that that

912
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,400
everyone here this this evening has is

913
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,400
that we're not done with the with

914
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,440
everything. And I once we have a better

915
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,240
understanding of how you're positioned

916
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,559
in terms of your benefits, I think that

917
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,480
that will give you a much clearer

918
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,880
picture of here's where you are at with

919
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,720
wages and here's where you are at with

920
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:38,880
benefits. Um because you know the

921
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,040
conversations that you're having, every

922
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,040
employer all across the nation right now

923
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,920
is having that exact conversation of

924
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,839
what do we frontload? What do we offer?

925
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:49,359
Because individuals who are under the

926
00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:50,799
age of 26, they're still on their

927
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:52,559
parents' health insurance. They're not

928
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,400
caring about insurance. They certainly

929
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,079
do not care about state retirement

930
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,799
systems. Even though we all understand

931
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:01,760
the absolute value of those and it

932
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,359
usually takes your employees a little

933
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:06,480
bit longer to appreciate the value, but

934
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,480
the challenge is is that by the time

935
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,160
they start to appreciate the value,

936
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,280
you've trained them and now they've

937
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,559
left.

938
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,390
>> Which is why we really need to focus on

939
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:14,400
» Which is why we really need to focus on

940
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,119
what you know that that minimum area and

941
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:19,680
trying to try to keep them.

942
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,549
>> What did she say was the problem?

943
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:22,559
» What did she say was the problem?

944
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:24,150
>> They're already gone. Yeah. Before they

945
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:24,160
» They're already gone. Yeah. Before they

946
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,000
figure out the value. before they figure

947
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,720
out because you know they're as soon as

948
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,480
they get any amount of um skill set and

949
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,319
experience then that's the prime time

950
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:35,839
and then they'll leave.

951
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:37,510
>> Yeah.

952
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:37,520
» Yeah.

953
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,359
The firefighters will leave for 25 cents

954
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:41,359
an hour

955
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:42,799
at least they used to.

956
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:44,870
>> And so that's the the external

957
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:44,880
» And so that's the the external

958
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,079
pressures. And then when we look

959
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:47,680
internally and then we look at our

960
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,440
compensation structure if you look there

961
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,920
at that one the first bullet

962
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,750
>> where it says 36 pay rates. That's the

963
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:53,760
» where it says 36 pay rates. That's the

964
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,680
different job um grades that we have. 50

965
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,359
50th range spread, but the 5% grade to

966
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:04,000
grade separation. So that's a 5%

967
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,799
separation from one job to the next. So

968
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:08,799
what happens is that you'll have an

969
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:12,240
employee that's a great employee is now

970
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,720
has worked 10 years and has done great.

971
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,880
They get promoted to the next job level

972
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,280
up. Well, they're already making more

973
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,119
than some of the ones that have been in

974
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,200
that position for for five years.

975
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:23,750
>> Y

976
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:23,760
» Y

977
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,630
>> and and so that compression between each

978
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:26,640
» and and so that compression between each

979
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:27,920
one of those is a problem just

980
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,119
inherently with our pay plan. And so

981
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:33,040
part of the other things is that if we

982
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,799
have money in the budget to be able to

983
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:37,359
do more of a separation to alleviate

984
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:39,040
something, we've never been able to to

985
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,680
address that. And Chief knows that that

986
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,119
that's that's a problem that we deal

987
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:44,400
with all the time. But

988
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,230
>> you're talking about increasing the 5%

989
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:46,240
» you're talking about increasing the 5%

990
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,160
from grade to grade.

991
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,119
between

992
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,510
>> well%

993
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:51,520
» well%

994
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,559
that's going to be a 7% going to help

995
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,630
>> between the the vertically

996
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:56,640
» between the the vertically

997
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,630
>> when you spread it out that way instead

998
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:58,640
» when you spread it out that way instead

999
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,880
of 5% go to a 7% spread.

1000
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:01,190
>> Yes.

1001
00:59:01,190 --> 00:59:01,200
» Yes.

1002
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,630
>> Um it's

1003
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:02,640
» Um it's

1004
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:03,750
>> it makes a difference.

1005
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:03,760
» it makes a difference.

1006
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,190
>> It it makes a huge difference because

1007
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:05,200
» It it makes a huge difference because

1008
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,920
what we find is some employees go

1009
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,510
>> I don't want to promote. Why would I ex

1010
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:11,520
» I don't want to promote. Why would I ex

1011
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,920
accept more responsibility and a

1012
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,000
different workload with a higher skill

1013
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,920
set if you're if I'm just going to make

1014
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,480
x amount more?

1015
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,750
>> But that's that's the issue in industry,

1016
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:23,760
» But that's that's the issue in industry,

1017
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,160
too. That's that's the that's the issue

1018
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,280
everywhere.

1019
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,670
>> And maybe I'm just talking about what I

1020
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:29,680
» And maybe I'm just talking about what I

1021
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,720
know of our pay plan of 5% that I see

1022
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,720
every single day. And I know that these

1023
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:35,839
guys say like, "Hey, I want to promote

1024
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,400
so and so. He's been here 12 years, done

1025
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,240
great." uh but we're going to have to

1026
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,079
make an exception for him because he's

1027
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,119
already making more. And so then I have

1028
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:46,319
to look at the employees that are

1029
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:48,400
already there doing the job that have

1030
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,839
experience and say do we leave him there

1031
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:51,200
and then this guy that they're going to

1032
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,559
have to train

1033
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:56,789
>> do that job. So it's it is a problem in

1034
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:56,799
» do that job. So it's it is a problem in

1035
00:59:56,799 --> 00:59:58,480
in just in ours because you're right.

1036
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,359
I'm sure that it's

1037
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:02,069
>> it's in all industries. It's yes and in

1038
01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:02,079
» it's in all industries. It's yes and in

1039
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:03,599
you know in my tax industry that I've

1040
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:05,839
been in for 30 years you do not get

1041
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:07,839
rewarded for staying at your company

1042
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:10,160
anymore because we get a three to three

1043
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,559
and a half% raise every single year but

1044
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,799
whoever's coming in new won't make a

1045
01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:18,400
lateral move. So they come in 20% higher

1046
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,960
and that's just the nature of it. Um but

1047
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,440
it it might be worse in this industry.

1048
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,520
I'm not, you know, in cities, but it's

1049
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,119
it's the same thing.

1050
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,349
>> Well, to tell you that in the past, we

1051
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:29,359
» Well, to tell you that in the past, we

1052
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:31,280
really didn't run into that a whole lot,

1053
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:31,599
okay?

1054
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:32,789
>> Because people stayed

1055
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:32,799
» Because people stayed

1056
01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:34,950
>> because they stayed because in the

1057
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:34,960
» because they stayed because in the

1058
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,960
public sector,

1059
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,030
>> the benefits were so much better and the

1060
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:39,040
» the benefits were so much better and the

1061
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,480
stability, people would just stay

1062
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,030
>> for that.

1063
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:41,040
» for that.

1064
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,829
>> But now the market has taken to where

1065
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:43,839
» But now the market has taken to where

1066
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:45,760
they're leaving. And so now we're having

1067
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,680
kind of the private sector problems.

1068
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,270
>> Everybody's cannibalizing everybody

1069
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:49,280
» Everybody's cannibalizing everybody

1070
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,079
else. Councilwoman McN, you have any

1071
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:53,359
input you'd like to have?

1072
01:00:53,359 --> 01:00:57,109
>> No. All good things,

1073
01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:58,640
» but you're saying we can do something

1074
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,240
within the budget right now.

1075
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,829
>> Absolutely. Yes, sir. And then once we

1076
01:01:01,829 --> 01:01:01,839
» Absolutely. Yes, sir. And then once we

1077
01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:04,240
get those numbers, but as you know, the

1078
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,799
budget is going to hopefully go for

1079
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:09,440
final adoption. The money that we have

1080
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,480
in there, I I can tell you to get us to

1081
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,359
a new pay plan, same structure, but move

1082
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:17,839
us 8.9%.

1083
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,920
Move the pay plan. And then with all the

1084
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,000
stuff that we've done, it's we're

1085
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,599
looking at cola and the market

1086
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:26,319
adjustments about 5%. So we're still

1087
01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:28,720
within budget and then the remaining am

1088
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,040
dollars. I'll bring that back

1089
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,950
>> to give you about the proposal to what

1090
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:32,960
» to give you about the proposal to what

1091
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:33,760
we'll do with it

1092
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,069
>> because we got to keep our man everybody

1093
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:36,079
» because we got to keep our man everybody

1094
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:37,520
up here wants to do that.

1095
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,589
>> That sound fair to you guys everything

1096
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:39,599
» That sound fair to you guys everything

1097
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:42,559
you hear guys and ladies

1098
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:44,720
with your staffs.

1099
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,520
I don't have a choice.

1100
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,750
>> I don't see Kansas.

1101
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:47,760
» I don't see Kansas.

1102
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,990
>> Paul, when you when you were working for

1103
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:50,000
» Paul, when you when you were working for

1104
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,760
a company not and you heard any kind of

1105
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,599
raise that you were getting, you never

1106
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:56,960
thought it was enough, did you?

1107
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,710
>> No, we know that. But fair.

1108
01:02:00,710 --> 01:02:00,720
» No, we know that. But fair.

1109
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,870
>> Well, right. Well, we that is fair. To

1110
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:02,880
» Well, right. Well, we that is fair. To

1111
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,319
answer your question, yes, I'm I'm a

1112
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:04,720
defend

1113
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:05,990
>> because we don't lose anybody because

1114
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:06,000
» because we don't lose anybody because

1115
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,119
we're not being fair.

1116
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:08,710
>> You're never going to get to a point

1117
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:08,720
» You're never going to get to a point

1118
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,720
where you can play uh money wars with

1119
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,240
any other cities and things like that.

1120
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,200
You're not going to do that. So, you'll

1121
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,880
lose anytime. Whoever got the bigger

1122
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,240
purse usually wins when we go to that.

1123
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,599
But that's not where we at. That's not

1124
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:19,200
where we need to be at right now. Where

1125
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,119
we need to be at is what that word says,

1126
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:22,960
competitive. And that way gives us a

1127
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,319
fighting chance. All I'm saying is that

1128
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:26,000
we need to have that fighting chance to

1129
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,440
be competitive and see where

1130
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,440
everything's at. The culture itself of

1131
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,880
just people moving around and leaving

1132
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,520
because uh but they may not like me or

1133
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,040
whatever the case may be. But what we

1134
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,799
have to do is at least make it so from a

1135
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:38,799
financial standpoint that we are in a

1136
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:40,000
competitive range that we have the

1137
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,079
ability to fight and keep people here.

1138
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:43,520
uh because it costs so much more money

1139
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:44,960
when we train somebody and we train them

1140
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,480
to go be better at another city and we

1141
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,640
didn't put $25,000 in the training and

1142
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:49,920
all the money we spent to make them

1143
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,359
better go somewhere else. So we asking

1144
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:52,799
ourselves on the back end, we spent

1145
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:54,880
$25,000 training this person, $15,000

1146
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,559
training this person and they leave us

1147
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:58,799
because they getting a dollar more or $2

1148
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:00,160
more an hour somewhere else, but we

1149
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,680
spent all the money training them like

1150
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,200
Drew was saying to get them and then

1151
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,880
they move and go on. So we got to look

1152
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,270
at the cost ris.

1153
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,760
» Thank you. That's in all industries at

1154
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,000
all.

1155
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,430
>> Any more questions, comments?

1156
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:17,440
» Any more questions, comments?

1157
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,000
Well, at this time, we will recess and

1158
01:03:20,000 --> 01:22:33,750
reconvene at 6:00 p.m.

1159
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,400
and this evening and for the city of

1160
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,880
Tombball and the state of Texas and the

1161
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,440
United States of America. Thank you that

1162
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,120
you have given us this wonderful place

1163
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,600
to live and that you have entrusted us

1164
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,560
with uh our ability to lead and guide

1165
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,199
and govern the city for all of the

1166
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:53,440
future generations. Thank you for the

1167
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:56,239
entire council and the mayor. Please be

1168
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:58,080
with the first responders, every single

1169
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,080
one of them, including the public works

1170
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,120
and fire and police who keep us safe and

1171
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,520
watch over us and give us the freedom of

1172
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,880
movement that uh comes comes with being

1173
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,440
an American citizen. Thank you for all

1174
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,120
of the people who are interested in the

1175
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:14,800
success of the city of Tombal and who

1176
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,719
are here and listening and take a

1177
01:23:16,719 --> 01:23:19,840
wonderful interest in our town.

1178
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,800
Please bless this entire town. It is in

1179
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,960
your son's name that we pray. Amen.

1180
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:26,070
>> Amen.

1181
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:26,080
» Amen.

1182
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,950
>> Pledges will be now led by Councilwoman

1183
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:28,960
» Pledges will be now led by Councilwoman

1184
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:34,310
>> Mna.

1185
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,800
To the flag of the United States of

1186
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,760
America and to the republic for it

1187
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,960
stands nation

1188
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,600
indivisible with liberty and justice for

1189
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:46,880
all.

1190
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:48,870
>> Now the Texas flag.

1191
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:48,880
» Now the Texas flag.

1192
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:53,510
Honor flagged

1193
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,920
one

1194
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:00,709
and indivisible.

1195
01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:03,440
» Okay, it's now time for public comment

1196
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:06,560
and receipt of petition. At this at this

1197
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,320
time, anyone will be allowed to speak on

1198
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,639
any matter other than personal matter

1199
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:12,880
matters under litigation for the length

1200
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,920
of time not to exceed 3 minutes. Mr.

1201
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,440
Harris, do we have anyone that wants to

1202
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:18,880
speak? No sir, we don't have anyone

1203
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:19,440
signed up.

1204
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:21,430
>> Okay. Is there anyone in the audience

1205
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:21,440
» Okay. Is there anyone in the audience

1206
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:24,239
that would like to speak?

1207
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:25,910
>> No.

1208
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:25,920
» No.

1209
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,679
Alrighty then. We'll move on to the next

1210
01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:29,280
item.

1211
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,719
We're going to go to reports and

1212
01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:32,880
announcements.

1213
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,120
Upcoming events.

1214
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:38,400
Number one, September 8th, 2026 Public

1215
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,280
Safety Citizens Academy program begins.

1216
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,199
Classes are every Tuesday night for 10

1217
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:46,880
weeks. Registration is required. On

1218
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,960
September tw 10th, 2026, Coffee Clutch

1219
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,800
is going to be hosted by the Texas

1220
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:53,600
Farmers Market, M A M A M A M A M A M A

1221
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,239
M A M A M A M A Kelly from 8:30 to 10:00

1222
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:59,840
a.m. at the Tomball Community Center. On

1223
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,080
September 11th,

1224
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,000
911 remembrance ceremony from 8 to 900

1225
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,040
a.m. at the Tomball Depot Plaza,

1226
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,679
followed by a short evening tribute from

1227
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:14,320
7:30 to 7:45

1228
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,600
at the Tomball Depot Plaza. September

1229
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,960
12th, second Saturday, from 5 to 900

1230
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,480
p.m. at the Tomball Depot Plaza. in

1231
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,719
September 26th,

1232
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:30,400
2026, Groupfest from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00

1233
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,560
pm at the Tombball Deote Plaza.

1234
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,600
Got that? Okay. Next, we'd like to move

1235
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,440
on to reports by city staff and members

1236
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:42,159
of council about items in the community

1237
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:44,400
interest which no action will be taken

1238
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,360
care of. Yes, sir. Councilman Parr. Uh

1239
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,199
last week I attended the memorial

1240
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:52,480
service for uh former Fort Ben County

1241
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:58,159
Judge Bob Abear. Uh he was a a large

1242
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:00,000
figure in Fort B County. He also

1243
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,159
happened to be the first officer I

1244
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:03,840
worked under when I joined the A Fire

1245
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,040
Department in 1974.

1246
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,110
>> Awesome.

1247
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:09,120
» Awesome.

1248
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:09,910
>> Yes, ma'am.

1249
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:09,920
» Yes, ma'am.

1250
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,709
>> Yes. So, Wednesday evening, this coming

1251
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:12,719
» Yes. So, Wednesday evening, this coming

1252
01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:16,960
Wednesday, which is the 19th,

1253
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,320
um the city will be making a centinarian

1254
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,080
uh presentation to a 100-year-old. That

1255
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,679
means he's turning 100 and he's a World

1256
01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:28,239
War II veteran. And um you know, we're

1257
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:29,760
losing those. We don't have a lot of

1258
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,920
those left. And um he's a personal

1259
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,280
friend of mine, has been a personal

1260
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:37,280
friend for close to 20 years. And um so

1261
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,440
everybody's invited. And I know you know

1262
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:41,360
anybody from council that can make it

1263
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,520
great. Um certainly you know no

1264
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,280
obligation or anything.

1265
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,350
>> Yes. Thank you for asking that. It's at

1266
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:47,360
» Yes. Thank you for asking that. It's at

1267
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,320
POS in their bull room that side room

1268
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,719
that they have um at 6:00 pm. Uh the BFW

1269
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:57,360
will be there. We'll have um some

1270
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,520
proclamations by some local local

1271
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,600
governments. Um Congressman Hunt and

1272
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,440
Representative Oliver and our both of

1273
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:05,360
our commissioners are sending some

1274
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,440
representatives. So, kind of a neat

1275
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:10,080
celebration um for a World War II

1276
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,199
veteran turning 100.

1277
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:15,430
>> The the date is the 19th. So, it's this

1278
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:15,440
» The the date is the 19th. So, it's this

1279
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:19,520
Wednesday at 6 PM at POS.

1280
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,709
>> Thank you. Thank you.

1281
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:22,719
» Thank you. Thank you.

1282
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:27,189
>> May 19th.

1283
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:28,560
» Still notating.

1284
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,550
>> Nothing.

1285
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:30,560
» Nothing.

1286
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,790
>> I went to I participated last week. I

1287
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:32,800
» I went to I participated last week. I

1288
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,880
went to TML to a TML meeting and there's

1289
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,199
a push by the governor as you guys know

1290
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:42,639
in this 2027 legislative session to

1291
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:44,400
eliminate

1292
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:48,000
property taxes. So that being said, as

1293
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,280
you guys know, or if you don't know,

1294
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,560
that makes up 16% of the city's revenue,

1295
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,719
over $7 million. So we're going to have

1296
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:56,639
to come up with to make up that

1297
01:27:56,639 --> 01:27:58,239
difference. So we're working feverishly

1298
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:01,040
with EDC to help us on picking up sales

1299
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,520
tax. So any ideas anybody comes up with,

1300
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,159
that's what we're looking for.

1301
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:07,750
>> Hopefully it'll come up with an idea to

1302
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:07,760
» Hopefully it'll come up with an idea to

1303
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,120
replace it on its own.

1304
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,229
>> Yeah, exactly.

1305
01:28:10,229 --> 01:28:10,239
» Yeah, exactly.

1306
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:11,110
>> Revenue somehow.

1307
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:11,120
» Revenue somehow.

1308
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,189
>> Somehow. Yeah. I heard there was a rumor

1309
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:13,199
» Somehow. Yeah. I heard there was a rumor

1310
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:14,880
that they would increase sales tax by

1311
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,639
2%. So,

1312
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:20,310
>> who knows?

1313
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,000
» A full change in the in the Texas's

1314
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:22,400
chart.

1315
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,030
>> Yeah. So, who knows what's going to

1316
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:25,040
» Yeah. So, who knows what's going to

1317
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,960
happen, but real issues. Okay. Old

1318
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:37,750
business consent agenda.

1319
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,159
» Are there if right now everything on

1320
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:42,000
here all matters listed under the

1321
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,679
consent agenda are considered to be

1322
01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:45,280
routine and will be enacted in one

1323
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,199
motion. There will be no separate

1324
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:49,360
discussion of these items. If discussion

1325
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,199
is desired, the item in question will be

1326
01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:53,920
removed from the consent agenda and will

1327
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,639
be considered separately. Information

1328
01:28:56,639 --> 01:28:58,480
concerning consent agenda items is

1329
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:01,520
available for public review. We will be

1330
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:05,360
taking no action on old consent item

1331
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,440
number 15.

1332
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:10,000
So are there are there any items any

1333
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,480
other items that council would like to

1334
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:21,030
pull off the consent agenda?

1335
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:23,280
» No.

1336
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,199
Is there a motion to approve the old

1337
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:28,159
business consent items except for item

1338
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:30,400
number 15 which will not be addressed at

1339
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:31,120
this time?

1340
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:32,550
>> So moved.

1341
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:32,560
» So moved.

1342
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:33,430
>> Second.

1343
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:33,440
» Second.

1344
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:37,750
>> Discussion.

1345
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:50,310
Call for the vote.

1346
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:55,590
Motion carries 5-0.

1347
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,679
» Old business.

1348
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:00,320
Adopt on second reading ordinance number

1349
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,040
2026-34

1350
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,960
an ordinance of the city council of the

1351
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,280
city of Tomball Texas adopting the

1352
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,840
budget of the city of Tomball Texas for

1353
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:14,070
fiscal year 2026-2027

1354
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,239
and authorizing the city manager to

1355
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:18,880
approve intradep departmental transfers

1356
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,080
of budgeted items funds and amending the

1357
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:26,880
budget for the 2025 2026 fiscal year in

1358
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,400
the accordance with the actual

1359
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,120
expenditures and providing other details

1360
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,040
related to the passage of this

1361
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,199
ordinance. Mr. Esavl, you have anything

1362
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:37,199
to add?

1363
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:39,189
>> No, sir. Mayor, Mayor Pro Tim and

1364
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:39,199
» No, sir. Mayor, Mayor Pro Tim and

1365
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:41,760
council, as we've gone through two

1366
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,320
budget meetings, uh the budget proposal

1367
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:45,679
that you have in front of you, it

1368
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:47,199
reflects all of the discussion and

1369
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:50,159
changes from those meetings.

1370
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:52,149
>> Is there a motion to adopt ordinance

1371
01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:52,159
» Is there a motion to adopt ordinance

1372
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:55,830
number 2026-34?

1373
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:57,520
» Motion. Second

1374
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:01,030
>> discussion.

1375
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:17,830
» Call for the vote.

1376
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,800
» Motion carries 5-0.

1377
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,320
We're going to move on to new business

1378
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:23,920
now.

1379
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,639
First item is approved minutes of August

1380
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:29,679
3rd, 2026 joint city council and TEEDC

1381
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:32,320
meeting.

1382
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,149
>> Mr. Harris, is there anything to add?

1383
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:34,159
» Mr. Harris, is there anything to add?

1384
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:35,430
>> No, sir. May protest.

1385
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:35,440
» No, sir. May protest.

1386
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:36,950
>> Is there a motion to approve the minutes

1387
01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:36,960
» Is there a motion to approve the minutes

1388
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,719
from August 3rd, 2026?

1389
01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:42,229
>> Motion.

1390
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:42,239
» Motion.

1391
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:43,189
>> Second.

1392
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:43,199
» Second.

1393
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:45,510
>> Discussion.

1394
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:45,520
» Discussion.

1395
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:59,669
Call for the vote.

1396
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:02,159
Motion carries 5-0.

1397
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:03,910
>> Okay,

1398
01:32:03,910 --> 01:32:03,920
» Okay,

1399
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,440
we'll move down to item number three.

1400
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:09,360
Discussion and direction of the Tomball

1401
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,159
Economic Development Corporation TEEDC

1402
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:15,280
for the Legacy Square project.

1403
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,600
Mr. Harris, can you summarize the

1404
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,239
consensus point consensus points from

1405
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:22,639
the 8:14 meeting?

1406
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:25,669
>> Yes, sir. Mayor Pro Tim. Uh just a recap

1407
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:25,679
» Yes, sir. Mayor Pro Tim. Uh just a recap

1408
01:32:25,679 --> 01:32:28,560
of the discussion from from Friday and

1409
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,120
some of the consensus points um

1410
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:35,199
regarding Legacy Square. So um the first

1411
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:37,120
one was there was commit commiss

1412
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,520
commence to transition of building A the

1413
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,600
main sanctuary to a multifunctional

1414
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,120
facility

1415
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,159
um also serving as a community center.

1416
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:48,880
Uh point number two was to prepare

1417
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:52,320
building C which is small uh chapel for

1418
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,560
Pearl Fincher.

1419
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,960
Uh number three was to prepare plans for

1420
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:58,960
building F which was identified as the

1421
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,480
fellowship hall. um suggestion was some

1422
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:04,960
sort of conversion to a retail outlet

1423
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,120
facility. Uh also for purposes of

1424
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,199
renting spaces for workshops, barn

1425
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,480
space, arts and crafts um and make sure

1426
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:15,760
that uh this is not a uh project

1427
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,480
subsidized by the city and waves the

1428
01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:20,639
city from liability. And then uh the

1429
01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:22,880
fourth was to initiate the demolition of

1430
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,360
all buildings other than the main and

1431
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:30,719
small chapel um fellowship hall um which

1432
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:34,960
was referred to as buildings A, C and F

1433
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,400
and then convert uh area to the green to

1434
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,000
a green space that was tied to the

1435
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:45,040
museum. Um and then the fifth was for a

1436
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,400
submission of a detailed plan um

1437
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,440
revolving involving the necessary uh

1438
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:54,800
transition of legacy square. Um that

1439
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,320
plan is recommended to include on&m cost

1440
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,600
operation responsibility of facility

1441
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,239
programming responsibilities and any

1442
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:06,239
projected revenue.

1443
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:10,320
And then finally the sixth point uh was

1444
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,520
dealing with parking lot in commence for

1445
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,920
plans uh for parking lot in behind the

1446
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:19,430
depot.

1447
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:21,840
» Is there a motion to approve the Is

1448
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,000
there a motion to approve consensus

1449
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,400
direction for the general discussion of

1450
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,560
this item number three?

1451
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:29,430
>> Motion.

1452
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:29,440
» Motion.

1453
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:30,550
>> Second

1454
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:30,560
» Second

1455
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:31,990
>> discussion.

1456
01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:32,000
» discussion.

1457
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,550
>> I have no idea what we're approving. I

1458
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:34,560
» I have no idea what we're approving. I

1459
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,360
have no idea what this is and I don't

1460
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,520
think this should be discussed without

1461
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,760
the EDC board here. We told them not to

1462
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,600
come and then now we're this was

1463
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,199
supposed to be a joint meeting and then

1464
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:48,639
on Friday we told them not to come.

1465
01:34:48,639 --> 01:34:51,430
>> My understanding we we listed out all

1466
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:51,440
» My understanding we we listed out all

1467
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:54,159
the consensus items that we all agreed

1468
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:56,560
to and this today we were just going to

1469
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:57,679
vote on it.

1470
01:34:57,679 --> 01:34:59,590
>> I did not agree to those on Friday at

1471
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:59,600
» I did not agree to those on Friday at

1472
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,480
all. No, there's like diametrically

1473
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:06,320
opposed things he just said. It was just

1474
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,719
a whole bunch of ideas thrown around.

1475
01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:11,280
Not everybody even gave any ideas on

1476
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,080
Friday. We did not agree to those on

1477
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:16,719
Friday. What? Not at all. It was a

1478
01:35:16,719 --> 01:35:17,360
workshop.

1479
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,590
>> It was a workshop which my understanding

1480
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:19,600
» It was a workshop which my understanding

1481
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,280
we that's what he was writing down.

1482
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:22,960
We're gathering all the information of

1483
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:24,719
what we felt we would like to do.

1484
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:29,270
>> But not everybody gave ideas on Friday.

1485
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:29,280
» But not everybody gave ideas on Friday.

1486
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:29,760
Well,

1487
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:31,750
>> I didn't know because we said we weren't

1488
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:31,760
» I didn't know because we said we weren't

1489
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,159
even discussing this on today, which is

1490
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:35,920
why we told the EDC board not even to

1491
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:37,120
come.

1492
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:38,629
>> We weren't going to do the budget, but

1493
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:38,639
» We weren't going to do the budget, but

1494
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:39,760
we were going to we were going to

1495
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:44,080
approve what we agreed to Friday was my

1496
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:45,280
understanding

1497
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,470
>> for all the we took a consensus.

1498
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:48,480
» for all the we took a consensus.

1499
01:35:48,480 --> 01:35:49,280
I so

1500
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,149
>> I just heard main sanctuary

1501
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:52,159
» I just heard main sanctuary

1502
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,080
all the way he just said all the way

1503
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,080
from either being a community center to

1504
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,080
being a special events which are two

1505
01:35:58,080 --> 01:35:59,920
100% opposite things. They're not even

1506
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:02,000
remotely related,

1507
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,480
not even close. So how are we agreeing

1508
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:06,960
on a special event center or a community

1509
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:08,719
center in the same thing that are not

1510
01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:11,040
even related to each other?

1511
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,360
I think we're not agreeing on what it's

1512
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,600
going to be so much is just a direction

1513
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,040
forward and to so we can get things

1514
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,440
zoned and platted so we can we know we

1515
01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:23,920
want to keep those three buildings. I

1516
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,199
think that's the thing is to keep those

1517
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:27,679
three buildings so we can upgrade them

1518
01:36:27,679 --> 01:36:29,760
and then talk about the other buildings

1519
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:30,880
being taken down.

1520
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:32,709
>> I do think we took the census it would

1521
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:32,719
» I do think we took the census it would

1522
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:35,840
not be a I I brought that up multiple

1523
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:39,600
times. It would not be a music venue.

1524
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,600
I said that multiple times.

1525
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,310
>> Correct. What was said on Friday was

1526
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:44,320
» Correct. What was said on Friday was

1527
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,159
that you would always vote no for that

1528
01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:49,440
and and mayor prom Paul Garcia also said

1529
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:51,040
that that was going to be a no. So

1530
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,440
that's that was two nos. I never said

1531
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:54,880
one word on Friday because

1532
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,390
>> I think Shelley agreed with the

1533
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:56,400
» I think Shelley agreed with the

1534
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:57,199
consensus.

1535
01:36:57,199 --> 01:36:59,430
>> Okay. So then we know not to even make a

1536
01:36:59,430 --> 01:36:59,440
» Okay. So then we know not to even make a

1537
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:00,960
motion for it because it'll be voted

1538
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,950
down which is fine.

1539
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,960
I I recall the one thing that we did

1540
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,960
agree on was demolition of the buildings

1541
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:10,400
that are not going to be used. Correct.

1542
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:11,109
>> That's right.

1543
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:11,119
» That's right.

1544
01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:11,430
>> Yes.

1545
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:11,440
» Yes.

1546
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:15,270
>> Okay. So So So demo

1547
01:37:15,270 --> 01:37:15,280
» Okay. So So So demo

1548
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,760
Okay.

1549
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:22,400
So we're voting to say that it could

1550
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,080
either be a special event or a community

1551
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:25,840
center, the main sanctuary. Is that what

1552
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,159
we're voting on? voting that it's going

1553
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:32,480
to be a multifunctional facility acting

1554
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:38,950
as a community center also

1555
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,360
gives it a lot of options what we can do

1556
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,629
there.

1557
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:45,440
» Okay,

1558
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:46,550
>> because that's when we were talking

1559
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:46,560
» because that's when we were talking

1560
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:49,119
about the repertoire and theater. Well,

1561
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,760
they could come in there and and rent

1562
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,000
the facility for that types of events.

1563
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:54,560
See,

1564
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,310
>> we said that's perfect.

1565
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:56,320
» we said that's perfect.

1566
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:56,790
>> All right.

1567
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:56,800
» All right.

1568
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,790
>> And then we agreed that we were all in

1569
01:37:58,790 --> 01:37:58,800
» And then we agreed that we were all in

1570
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,159
agreement, and you guys correct me if

1571
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:03,920
I'm wrong, about uh the retail outlet,

1572
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:07,280
the old gymnasium, the fellowship hall,

1573
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:09,679
that we would just rent spaces out and

1574
01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:12,719
city would not be held liable

1575
01:38:12,719 --> 01:38:15,280
for anything there from a liability

1576
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,000
standpoint or from subsidizing.

1577
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,000
be stand alone

1578
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,669
>> because I believe Danny even talked

1579
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:21,679
» because I believe Danny even talked

1580
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:25,840
about on that that it was it wasn't a

1581
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,239
money maker I think is what he said and

1582
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:30,480
I said I

1583
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:31,750
>> correct

1584
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:31,760
» correct

1585
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,390
>> yeah Danny even talked about it was a

1586
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:34,400
» yeah Danny even talked about it was a

1587
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,320
makers is that what they call it a barn

1588
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:37,679
maker house

1589
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:38,870
>> makaker

1590
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:38,880
» makaker

1591
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:43,430
>> that it was not a money maker and so

1592
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:43,440
» that it was not a money maker and so

1593
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,440
that's when we said that it can't it's

1594
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:47,360
got to be something that does make money

1595
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,119
and that we weren't going to put money

1596
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:49,520
into

1597
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:50,870
>> money into it. We weren't going to

1598
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:50,880
» money into it. We weren't going to

1599
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:52,880
purchase any equipment or machinery for

1600
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:53,199
those

1601
01:38:53,199 --> 01:38:53,990
>> and we're not going to take the

1602
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:54,000
» and we're not going to take the

1603
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,600
liability. That's going to have to be a

1604
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,800
group do that and come to the city or to

1605
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,360
the TEDC and discuss it

1606
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:02,950
>> and bring options to y'all.

1607
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:02,960
» and bring options to y'all.

1608
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:04,870
>> So then the city is going to take over

1609
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:04,880
» So then the city is going to take over

1610
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,119
ownership of the main sanctuary to turn

1611
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:09,119
it into a city's community center.

1612
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:10,629
>> We didn't say that. That's what we're

1613
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:10,639
» We didn't say that. That's what we're

1614
01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:12,880
looking for guidance from you guys how

1615
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,199
you think it'll best work. Well, I just

1616
01:39:15,199 --> 01:39:17,440
heard us make a motion to vote for it to

1617
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:18,800
become a community center

1618
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,109
>> acting as a community center. It's going

1619
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:21,119
» acting as a community center. It's going

1620
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:23,119
to be a multi-unctional

1621
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:24,960
facility

1622
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,159
acting as the community center also like

1623
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:29,760
so during the day they can be the

1624
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,440
community center. At night if you have

1625
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,760
other events you can use it for that

1626
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,600
too.

1627
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,320
That's my understanding. Yes sir. Did I

1628
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,679
say the community center was discussed,

1629
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:43,199
but I think if we can make it for

1630
01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:45,520
clarification purposes for the public,

1631
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,520
if we can defend.

1632
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,510
>> Yes. Please walk up to the front

1633
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:49,520
» Yes. Please walk up to the front

1634
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:50,310
>> and say your name,

1635
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:50,320
» and say your name,

1636
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,149
>> your name and address, please.

1637
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:54,159
» your name and address, please.

1638
01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:57,830
>> Uh Danny Hudson, 1277 Zahan Road. We we

1639
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:57,840
» Uh Danny Hudson, 1277 Zahan Road. We we

1640
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,159
talked about it a community center, but

1641
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:02,320
we we didn't say this was going to be a

1642
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:03,920
community center. So, I would like to

1643
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,000
just to clarify. I love the the

1644
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,480
terminology event center which could be

1645
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:09,440
a community but right

1646
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:11,109
>> for clarification out in public as much

1647
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:11,119
» for clarification out in public as much

1648
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:12,560
as this has been thrown around and

1649
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,280
changed and you know the rumors that can

1650
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,119
we just keep it as event center

1651
01:40:17,119 --> 01:40:17,830
>> that be fine

1652
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:17,840
» that be fine

1653
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,430
>> and then if it ends up being a community

1654
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:19,440
» and then if it ends up being a community

1655
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:21,199
center it ends up being one but I don't

1656
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:22,800
want it to be out there that it's this

1657
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:24,080
is going to be the community center

1658
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,880
because we don't know that

1659
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:27,430
>> gotcha

1660
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:27,440
» gotcha

1661
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:31,030
>> so that it's not declared that

1662
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:31,040
» so that it's not declared that

1663
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:32,470
>> the 9th

1664
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:32,480
» the 9th

1665
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:33,910
>> and

1666
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:33,920
» and

1667
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:35,270
>> what's the difference between saying

1668
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:35,280
» what's the difference between saying

1669
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,119
it's acting as a community center or

1670
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:38,320
being a community center.

1671
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,510
>> Well, because you're going to be able to

1672
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:39,520
» Well, because you're going to be able to

1673
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,080
do other events there also. So, they

1674
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,639
know if you're bringing in a, you know,

1675
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:47,280
somebody you have an amusement venue for

1676
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:49,360
300 people, it'll accommodate that at

1677
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:50,639
night. If you're doing it on the

1678
01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:52,000
weekend, that kind of thing. So, it

1679
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,320
could be multifunctional to use it uh

1680
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:56,960
for different things, but also if the

1681
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:58,560
community center wants to use it during

1682
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,719
the day, it can be used.

1683
01:41:00,719 --> 01:41:01,990
>> I think you just used the right

1684
01:41:01,990 --> 01:41:02,000
» I think you just used the right

1685
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,239
terminology. Yes, sir. multiunctional

1686
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:06,320
event center.

1687
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:07,440
Leave it at that.

1688
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:10,149
>> Yeah, whatever we call it, it's fine.

1689
01:41:10,149 --> 01:41:10,159
» Yeah, whatever we call it, it's fine.

1690
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:11,750
>> So, we're taking community center out of

1691
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:11,760
» So, we're taking community center out of

1692
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:12,960
it because let's think about how the

1693
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,800
community center operates right now.

1694
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:16,960
It's a very formal process and people

1695
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,760
pay money to the city and it's a very

1696
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,360
regulated

1697
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,000
community center function. It's not just

1698
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,159
willy-nilly, oh, whoever wants to go

1699
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:27,600
over and use that building at night

1700
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,520
because they want to do a music

1701
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,520
something or another or a play. I mean,

1702
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,159
it's very formal.

1703
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:36,229
>> Well, I mean, the the the the rules and

1704
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:36,239
» Well, I mean, the the the the rules and

1705
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:38,800
regulations could be transferred from

1706
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,360
the existing community center to the

1707
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,159
event center. Uh so there'd be an

1708
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:47,360
application process, fees or deposits

1709
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:49,040
and stuff like that. Well, they had to

1710
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,760
be some changes too though because

1711
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,080
according to David

1712
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,470
>> the or somebody I don't it might not

1713
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:56,480
» the or somebody I don't it might not

1714
01:41:56,480 --> 01:42:00,000
have been David we can't or it was you

1715
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,119
said that we the community center now

1716
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:05,199
can't take

1717
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:08,400
and have a a group come in there that

1718
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,480
makes money off of it. And wasn't that

1719
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:12,080
you that told me that?

1720
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:13,270
>> Somebody did.

1721
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:13,280
» Somebody did.

1722
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:14,310
>> That's our policy.

1723
01:42:14,310 --> 01:42:14,320
» That's our policy.

1724
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:17,270
>> Yeah. They can't you can't for rent the

1725
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:17,280
» Yeah. They can't you can't for rent the

1726
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:18,719
community center and then charge

1727
01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:20,800
admission and for for profit

1728
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,550
>> and so that has to be changed for it

1729
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:22,560
» and so that has to be changed for it

1730
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:27,109
could ever be a community center.

1731
01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:31,840
» I thought that mayor proin and council

1732
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:33,679
um I'll just give you from my

1733
01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:36,560
perspective and I'm sure from staff

1734
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,760
this is just a direction to where we

1735
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,520
bring back a lot of these questions

1736
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:43,520
because you're exactly right. if it is a

1737
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:45,840
community center, whose rules and who's

1738
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:46,960
going to apply it, who's going to manage

1739
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:48,480
it, who's going to maintain the

1740
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:50,000
property. There's there's a lot of

1741
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,639
questions on depending on what it is and

1742
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:54,080
if we're going to move these projects

1743
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,000
forward. I I think that was

1744
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,830
>> what everybody wanted to provide some

1745
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:57,840
» what everybody wanted to provide some

1746
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,760
direction where everybody's on the same

1747
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,679
page so we can start hammering out some

1748
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:04,239
of those those questions. And at least

1749
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:06,000
from from my standpoint, I think that

1750
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,480
this can change once we get more into

1751
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:08,639
the

1752
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:10,790
>> details to it, too. That's why I thought

1753
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:10,800
» details to it, too. That's why I thought

1754
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,480
I thought the event center is what we

1755
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:14,639
were going to call it and it could act

1756
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:16,960
as a community center if we needed to or

1757
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,199
it can be.

1758
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:21,360
I just wanted to get away from the

1759
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,239
public hearing music venue because

1760
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:25,679
that's what all the people in the

1761
01:43:25,679 --> 01:43:27,440
surrounding area were up

1762
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:29,189
>> so we we can see what it's not going to

1763
01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:29,199
» so we we can see what it's not going to

1764
01:43:29,199 --> 01:43:29,760
be.

1765
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:31,350
>> Exactly. That's all I want to say. What

1766
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:31,360
» Exactly. That's all I want to say. What

1767
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:33,679
it's not going to be.

1768
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:34,790
>> You have something to add?

1769
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:34,800
» You have something to add?

1770
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:36,709
>> Um just Yeah, I think that's the thing

1771
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:36,719
» Um just Yeah, I think that's the thing

1772
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:38,400
we could come together and talk about.

1773
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,679
It could be anywhere from weddings to um

1774
01:43:41,679 --> 01:43:43,360
if somebody wants to rent it out for an

1775
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,159
event, but just want to move forward

1776
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,320
with make a decision to move forward

1777
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,560
because it's sitting there right now

1778
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,480
deteriorating and you don't want to get

1779
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:54,560
have the 1949 building get so bad that

1780
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:55,760
we're going to have to tear it down. We

1781
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:59,600
just we want to save those buildings and

1782
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,560
clean them up. And I just the reasoning

1783
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,000
and the platting right now is the

1784
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,400
easiest thing to do. So get that

1785
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:07,119
started.

1786
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:09,590
>> I agree.

1787
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:09,600
» I agree.

1788
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,040
So we give him we can give them

1789
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,560
direction to go tear down the buildings

1790
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:13,679
that we're not going to use,

1791
01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:14,709
>> right?

1792
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:14,719
» right?

1793
01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:16,629
>> That's a lot of it.

1794
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:16,639
» That's a lot of it.

1795
01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:19,270
>> And we I mean Kelly and him and y'all

1796
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:19,280
» And we I mean Kelly and him and y'all

1797
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:22,400
talked about this. Y'all want direction.

1798
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,159
What's going to happen? And that's what

1799
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:26,239
I think we're trying to do right now is

1800
01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:28,880
to get because they've what you've been

1801
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,840
working with two years, three years and

1802
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,600
you've owned it for even longer than

1803
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,560
that. And

1804
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:38,239
I don't want them to keep working on

1805
01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:40,560
something and then the city council

1806
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,000
comes said, "Nope, that ain't going to

1807
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,440
work. We're not involved for that." And

1808
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:44,880
they've worked on it for three years

1809
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:46,239
already.

1810
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:48,310
>> I I am in complete agreement.

1811
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:48,320
» I I am in complete agreement.

1812
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:49,750
>> Okay. And so that's what I'm trying to

1813
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:49,760
» Okay. And so that's what I'm trying to

1814
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:52,159
do is get direction now, Lisa.

1815
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:53,990
>> Great.

1816
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:54,000
» Great.

1817
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,990
>> Miss Violet, what do you think? Can I

1818
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:56,000
» Miss Violet, what do you think? Can I

1819
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,040
get your assessment on our direction,

1820
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:01,679
council's direction to you? If you could

1821
01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:04,880
state your name and address.

1822
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,390
>> It's very unfortunate we don't have the

1823
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:06,400
» It's very unfortunate we don't have the

1824
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:07,760
board here.

1825
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:08,709
>> I just don't think we should be doing

1826
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:08,719
» I just don't think we should be doing

1827
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:10,159
this boarding.

1828
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,790
>> Kelly Violet 29201 Quinn Road, Sweet A,

1829
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:12,800
» Kelly Violet 29201 Quinn Road, Sweet A,

1830
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,320
Tom, Texas. Um I I think we've been

1831
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,440
asking for direction for a long time and

1832
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:21,520
we need direction from y'all. I think

1833
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,560
this brings up more questions, you know,

1834
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,920
because things like a music venue, does

1835
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:31,199
that mean you don't want musicals?

1836
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:32,800
Does that mean you don't want weddings

1837
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,920
that have live music or bands? It it's

1838
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:37,679
that's kind of like pulling that string

1839
01:45:37,679 --> 01:45:39,840
where it it lends itself to more

1840
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,480
questions. Um, we do have an item on

1841
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:44,639
Friday's joint agenda to talk about it

1842
01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:45,920
more if you want to be able to talk

1843
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,080
about it in front of the EDC board.

1844
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:50,550
>> Okay. But does this at least gives you a

1845
01:45:50,550 --> 01:45:50,560
» Okay. But does this at least gives you a

1846
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:52,000
starting point, you feel?

1847
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,830
>> I think yes, it gives us some direction

1848
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:53,840
» I think yes, it gives us some direction

1849
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:55,280
and that's really what we're looking for

1850
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,040
because like you said, I mean, we we're

1851
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,520
we're kind of we're kind of flailing,

1852
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:00,800
you know, waiting for direction from

1853
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:02,480
y'all so that we can move

1854
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:04,629
>> and because at the end of the deal, it's

1855
01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:04,639
» and because at the end of the deal, it's

1856
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:07,360
going to be this group's decision what

1857
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:08,000
goes there,

1858
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,390
>> right?

1859
01:46:10,390 --> 01:46:10,400
» right?

1860
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:11,590
>> Am I correct?

1861
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:11,600
» Am I correct?

1862
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:11,830
>> Yes.

1863
01:46:11,830 --> 01:46:11,840
» Yes.

1864
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,870
>> Okay. And I think a good way to answer

1865
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:14,880
» Okay. And I think a good way to answer

1866
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:16,719
that question too is I think we would

1867
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:19,840
like music and events and plays. It's

1868
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,239
probably the number of seats that we're

1869
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:24,639
talking about and then that um solves a

1870
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:26,159
lot of the parking issues right now that

1871
01:46:26,159 --> 01:46:28,880
we don't have to talk worry about right

1872
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,119
now and it could be in the future

1873
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:35,189
>> but I think right now at this time um

1874
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:35,199
» but I think right now at this time um

1875
01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:37,520
it's the number of seats that's real can

1876
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,440
get real scary when we talk about what's

1877
01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:40,560
going to be there.

1878
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:42,800
And it's also it's like Danny said, what

1879
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,760
if we do this for a year or two and it

1880
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:46,870
>> fizzles out.

1881
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:46,880
» fizzles out.

1882
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:47,350
>> Yeah.

1883
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:47,360
» Yeah.

1884
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,270
>> And we do what you said, Danny. Tear the

1885
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:49,280
» And we do what you said, Danny. Tear the

1886
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:50,560
thing down.

1887
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,629
>> Still homes in there.

1888
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:52,639
» Still homes in there.

1889
01:46:52,639 --> 01:46:54,070
>> There's a lot of options and I think

1890
01:46:54,070 --> 01:46:54,080
» There's a lot of options and I think

1891
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,159
taking baby steps is the right way to go

1892
01:46:56,159 --> 01:47:00,320
in my opinion. So,

1893
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,189
>> so then with this direction of saying

1894
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:03,199
» so then with this direction of saying

1895
01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:05,520
that council's going to evidently vote

1896
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,920
tonight without the MC board present

1897
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,990
>> to make it a multifunctional event

1898
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:10,000
» to make it a multifunctional event

1899
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,239
center that may or may not act as a

1900
01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:13,760
community center and may or may not

1901
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,920
allow music of a certain size.

1902
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:18,400
I would.

1903
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:21,510
>> But yet, you have no budget to do any of

1904
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:21,520
» But yet, you have no budget to do any of

1905
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,639
this with because we've cut out

1906
01:47:24,639 --> 01:47:26,080
everything out of the budget that would

1907
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:29,520
allow them to do anything to number one

1908
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:32,159
to the main sanctuary.

1909
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:33,760
So, we're voting on something the EDC

1910
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:39,830
has no capability of doing.

1911
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,639
» I disagree in the fact that we said you

1912
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:45,040
could bring back amendments.

1913
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:46,629
>> Okay. Budget amendments do it without

1914
01:47:46,629 --> 01:47:46,639
» Okay. Budget amendments do it without

1915
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:49,360
asking for the council.

1916
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,350
>> I think you guys they were going to meet

1917
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:51,360
» I think you guys they were going to meet

1918
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:52,639
my understanding was they were going to

1919
01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:54,960
meet Friday and discuss what they were

1920
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:58,560
going to do. Is that my understanding of

1921
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,080
what they need to do to move forward

1922
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:03,199
with this? And I think at that point

1923
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:05,440
then you guys would come back to council

1924
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:07,760
for a budget amendment which we would

1925
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:10,480
grant because this is what we want to do

1926
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:12,960
as a consensus.

1927
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:16,400
What do you what are your thoughts

1928
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:17,830
>> that the council's not I mean that the

1929
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:17,840
» that the council's not I mean that the

1930
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:19,760
EDC board isn't really getting any

1931
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,320
usable guidance because

1932
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:24,080
you know one minute it's a $2 million

1933
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:25,760
budget. The next minute it's so we want

1934
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:27,600
it to be zero but it can't be zero so

1935
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,679
we're going to make it 500,000 plus a

1936
01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:34,159
few extra things. Now 48 hours later, 52

1937
01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:36,639
hours later, we're voting to tell the

1938
01:48:36,639 --> 01:48:38,800
EDC to turn it into a multifunctional

1939
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,840
event center with no budget. But yet

1940
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:43,199
then does that just mean before the

1941
01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:44,800
budget has even been approved, but yet

1942
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:46,159
we're saying no budget, but we're vote.

1943
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:50,470
I mean, it's circles.

1944
01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:53,119
» I will disagree, but I'm only one

1945
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:55,440
person, so I don't know what the rest of

1946
01:48:55,440 --> 01:48:57,199
council thinks.

1947
01:48:57,199 --> 01:49:00,310
>> What did we disagree on Friday? 750. Is

1948
01:49:00,310 --> 01:49:00,320
» What did we disagree on Friday? 750. Is

1949
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,800
that what we ended with the budget? Am I

1950
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:04,080
okay 750?

1951
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:05,510
>> And I thought we had talked about that

1952
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:05,520
» And I thought we had talked about that

1953
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:09,199
might have been enough for step one

1954
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:11,199
demo. So it's the demo and then having

1955
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:14,080
money to handle repairs like if it needs

1956
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,480
a new air conditioning system

1957
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:18,790
>> or you know room for air conditioning.

1958
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:18,800
» or you know room for air conditioning.

1959
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,480
That's it. That's it. That's all that's

1960
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:23,199
in there. Nothing to turn the 1949

1961
01:49:23,199 --> 01:49:27,760
chapel into um an art gallery. Not at

1962
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,760
all. Zero.

1963
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,320
Zero to turn the main sanctuary into

1964
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:34,239
anything that we're contemplating voting

1965
01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:36,960
on right here right now. Zero to turn

1966
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:38,880
the fellowship hall into a retail

1967
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:40,400
facility

1968
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,990
right now.

1969
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,320
» And how is that is that with amendments

1970
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:47,840
that we would come back and I know you

1971
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:49,679
don't want to nickel come back every

1972
01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:51,760
time and ask permission but is that how

1973
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:52,880
that would be

1974
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:54,229
>> that would be handled that way. The

1975
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:54,239
» that would be handled that way. The

1976
01:49:54,239 --> 01:49:56,480
funds would then be approved by council

1977
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:58,639
on their ideas and thought processes for

1978
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:03,350
those various buildings

1979
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:04,960
which which in my which is fine

1980
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:06,560
obviously right there's a process for

1981
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,960
that but I think that's telling the EDC

1982
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:12,560
board we want you to go do something but

1983
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:15,280
we don't even trust you to have one dime

1984
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:19,679
in advance to do it so go we want you to

1985
01:50:19,679 --> 01:50:22,400
do it we're voting on it but you have no

1986
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,320
money you have no authority no money

1987
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,560
because we don't trust you at all except

1988
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:28,320
to do the denim and then to keep it

1989
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:30,080
maintained from falling down. That's all

1990
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:31,520
we trust you to do right now.

1991
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,669
>> Trust is not the word. I think we agreed

1992
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:33,679
» Trust is not the word. I think we agreed

1993
01:50:33,679 --> 01:50:35,440
that we were going to work amicably

1994
01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:37,040
together and we've been trying to do

1995
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:39,199
that, trying to get with you guys. Hey,

1996
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:41,440
what can we do? So, we'll work closely

1997
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:43,760
with each other to make sure all parties

1998
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,320
involved are getting what they want and

1999
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,239
that the public is getting also what

2000
01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:50,320
they want. So the three different

2001
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,239
entities are getting something

2002
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:54,560
functional for everyone and acceptable

2003
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:55,679
to everyone.

2004
01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:57,990
>> And and I do remember you saying that on

2005
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:58,000
» And and I do remember you saying that on

2006
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,440
Friday evening. Yes, ma'am.

2007
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:01,350
>> That you felt that this was a way for

2008
01:51:01,350 --> 01:51:01,360
» That you felt that this was a way for

2009
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:02,400
cooperation.

2010
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:02,950
>> Yes, ma'am.

2011
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:02,960
» Yes, ma'am.

2012
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:05,510
>> But that's very one-sided in my opinion.

2013
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:05,520
» But that's very one-sided in my opinion.

2014
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:08,159
I do not see this as cooperation. I see

2015
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:11,119
this as council mandating something but

2016
01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:12,400
telling the EDC, "We're not going to

2017
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,000
give you any authority for money to do

2018
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,960
it, so figure it out and then come back

2019
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:18,800
to us for every single step." which is

2020
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:20,960
fine, but if that's the way this council

2021
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:22,880
wants to operate the EDC going forward.

2022
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:24,310
>> We agreed on that though Friday.

2023
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:24,320
» We agreed on that though Friday.

2024
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:26,390
>> I did not agree to it. No, there was no

2025
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:26,400
» I did not agree to it. No, there was no

2026
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:27,520
vote. How did we agree?

2027
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:29,430
>> Well, we changed the budget. Everybody

2028
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:29,440
» Well, we changed the budget. Everybody

2029
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:32,239
agreed on the new budgeted amounts. So,

2030
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:35,119
at that time, I would think if someone

2031
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:36,560
was disagreeing with it would have

2032
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,320
brought that up and we would had that

2033
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:39,360
further discussion.

2034
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:44,229
>> Well, we we did indicate that we agreed

2035
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:44,239
» Well, we we did indicate that we agreed

2036
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,480
that we disagreed with zero, right? that

2037
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:48,560
zero is not possible even though that

2038
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:49,679
was proposed

2039
01:51:49,679 --> 01:51:50,310
>> yes ma'am

2040
01:51:50,310 --> 01:51:50,320
» yes ma'am

2041
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:51,669
>> 14 times

2042
01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:51,679
» 14 times

2043
01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:55,189
>> and that you know couldn't do zero but

2044
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:55,199
» and that you know couldn't do zero but

2045
01:51:55,199 --> 01:51:58,000
given that zero was the proposal we did

2046
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,800
manage to get it to 750 but now and

2047
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,119
that's fine so then we stay with that

2048
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:05,599
but how can we then that was Friday

2049
01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:09,760
today's Monday how can this council now

2050
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:14,159
literally vote to pass something giving

2051
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:16,719
guidance to the EDC for something they

2052
01:52:16,719 --> 01:52:22,629
cannot do.

2053
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:24,480
» I don't understand why you think they

2054
01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:26,639
cannot do anything. My understanding you

2055
01:52:26,639 --> 01:52:29,440
guys are getting or EDC was getting

2056
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:33,440
together Friday to get discuss

2057
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:34,639
further what they're going to do with

2058
01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:36,960
Legacy Square and bring back information

2059
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:39,599
to council and we could all both discuss

2060
01:52:39,599 --> 01:52:40,239
it.

2061
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:42,550
>> We are having a joint meeting on Friday

2062
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:42,560
» We are having a joint meeting on Friday

2063
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,280
to approve the EDC budget. That's all

2064
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:46,159
that's happening right now.

2065
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:48,790
>> No, I understood that uh the Tombbo

2066
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:48,800
» No, I understood that uh the Tombbo

2067
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:50,960
Legacy Square Council was getting

2068
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:54,239
together. The group small group of guys

2069
01:52:54,239 --> 01:52:54,800
that

2070
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:55,750
>> that's what I was told.

2071
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:55,760
» that's what I was told.

2072
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:56,470
>> Okay. I'm not

2073
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:56,480
» Okay. I'm not

2074
01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:59,270
>> Maybe you know

2075
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:59,280
» Maybe you know

2076
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:00,470
>> the committee. Yeah. Was getting

2077
01:53:00,470 --> 01:53:00,480
» the committee. Yeah. Was getting

2078
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:01,599
together Friday.

2079
01:53:01,599 --> 01:53:05,030
>> Yeah. Is it Thursday? Okay.

2080
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:05,040
» Yeah. Is it Thursday? Okay.

2081
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:07,350
>> So, they were going to get together the

2082
01:53:07,350 --> 01:53:07,360
» So, they were going to get together the

2083
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:08,080
advisory committee.

2084
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:09,270
>> Is that what he's refer Is that what

2085
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:09,280
» Is that what he's refer Is that what

2086
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:10,000
you're referring to?

2087
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:13,030
>> Yes, ma'am.

2088
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:13,040
» Yes, ma'am.

2089
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:14,639
and they were going to come back, tell

2090
01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:16,480
us what their thoughts, and then we can

2091
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:23,030
move forward.

2092
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:24,880
» Okay. So, we're voting on what today

2093
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,000
we're voting on 1949 Chapel to become an

2094
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:29,840
art gallery, hopefully Pearl Fincher,

2095
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:31,199
but we can't vote on that because that's

2096
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:32,800
up to Pearl Fincher,

2097
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:34,070
>> right?

2098
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:34,080
» right?

2099
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:35,910
>> Fellowship Hall to become a retail.

2100
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:35,920
» Fellowship Hall to become a retail.

2101
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,830
>> Would you like Mr. Harris to repeat them

2102
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:37,840
» Would you like Mr. Harris to repeat them

2103
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:39,760
all? You want to repeat them for us?

2104
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:41,679
Repeat them as I did or or do you want

2105
01:53:41,679 --> 01:53:42,960
me to change?

2106
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:44,070
>> Repeat them as you did.

2107
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:44,080
» Repeat them as you did.

2108
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:45,990
>> Okay. So,

2109
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:46,000
» Okay. So,

2110
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,790
>> um point one was uh transition of

2111
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:48,800
» um point one was uh transition of

2112
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:50,719
building a main sanctuary to a

2113
01:53:50,719 --> 01:53:53,360
multifacility u which could also act as

2114
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,159
a community center. Um prepare building

2115
01:53:56,159 --> 01:54:00,560
C um small chapel for F pearl venture.

2116
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,440
Uh prepare plans for building F, a

2117
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:05,360
fellowship hall, possible conversion to

2118
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,520
a retail facility, retail outlet

2119
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:10,400
facility. Um and also for purposes of

2120
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,239
renting spaces for workshops, barn

2121
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:15,199
space, arts, crafts, um and make sure

2122
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:18,159
that it's uh not subsidized by the city

2123
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:19,840
and city's fully waved from not

2124
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:21,360
liability.

2125
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:24,639
Um point number four was initiate the

2126
01:54:24,639 --> 01:54:26,880
demolition of all buildings other than

2127
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:29,599
the main sanctuary, small chapel, and

2128
01:54:29,599 --> 01:54:31,280
fellowship hall, which were identified

2129
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:34,639
as buildings A, C, and F. um and then

2130
01:54:34,639 --> 01:54:37,360
convert uh area to green space that's

2131
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,960
tied to the museum. Uh point number five

2132
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:44,080
was a small detailed plan uh on the

2133
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:46,480
sequence of events um for the

2134
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:49,040
transitioning of Legacy Square. Uh the

2135
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:51,440
plan should include O andM cost,

2136
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:53,119
operational responsibility of

2137
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:56,320
facilities, program responsibilities and

2138
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:58,480
projected revenue. And then point number

2139
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:01,840
six was to commence plans on parking lot

2140
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,840
uh in behind the depot.

2141
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:07,350
>> So we're not just voting on Tomball

2142
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:07,360
» So we're not just voting on Tomball

2143
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:10,080
Legacy Square, we're also barking voting

2144
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:13,280
on parking if a separate parking lot

2145
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:15,920
south of the depot.

2146
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,510
>> But we decided that's what everybody

2147
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:17,520
» But we decided that's what everybody

2148
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:18,960
wanted that

2149
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:20,390
>> that's what we decided made the most

2150
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:20,400
» that's what we decided made the most

2151
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:22,320
sense. The exact words that kept being

2152
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,320
repeated were that make the most sense,

2153
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,639
but that we don't know that we were

2154
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:28,320
appropriating a certain amount in

2155
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:29,679
professional services. Completely

2156
01:55:29,679 --> 01:55:31,360
unrelated, not in the Tombbo legacy

2157
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,360
squitter line item of the budget in a

2158
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:34,719
completely different section of the

2159
01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:37,520
budget. We were appropriating a piece a

2160
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,360
portion of the professional services

2161
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,159
line item for a

2162
01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:46,550
>> engineering stud engineering work for

2163
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:46,560
» engineering stud engineering work for

2164
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:49,280
parking in Tombal. And what we kept

2165
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:51,679
circling back to was that in made the

2166
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:53,199
most sense, but that at this point we

2167
01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:55,119
just don't know. That was what we kept

2168
01:55:55,119 --> 01:55:55,679
saying.

2169
01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:57,109
>> Well, because we felt that would

2170
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:57,119
» Well, because we felt that would

2171
01:55:57,119 --> 01:55:59,199
alleviate some of the the parking

2172
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:01,360
conditions at Tombball Legacy Square

2173
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,679
that we tried that we felt that might be

2174
01:56:03,679 --> 01:56:05,599
the best way to go. Thought everybody

2175
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:08,320
agreed on that that would do

2176
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,070
>> agreed that right now the most sense,

2177
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:10,080
» agreed that right now the most sense,

2178
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,000
but that we just don't know. So, I don't

2179
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,199
see how

2180
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:15,270
>> that agreement then is turning into a

2181
01:56:15,270 --> 01:56:15,280
» that agreement then is turning into a

2182
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:19,189
vote today.

2183
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:21,679
because it's part of the relief for the

2184
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:23,760
parking spaces

2185
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:27,440
at Tomball Legacy Fund.

2186
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:29,920
Tomball Legacy Square.

2187
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:31,830
>> Okay. Well, this isn't making sense to

2188
01:56:31,830 --> 01:56:31,840
» Okay. Well, this isn't making sense to

2189
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,280
me, but that's okay. I'm just going to

2190
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:36,950
vote.

2191
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:41,350
» Any other discussions?

2192
01:56:41,360 --> 01:57:04,149
» Call for the vote.

2193
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:06,320
Motion carries 41.

2194
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:08,390
>> Yeah, I I didn't see truly where this

2195
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:08,400
» Yeah, I I didn't see truly where this

2196
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:10,719
was an action item

2197
01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:13,920
in the agenda. It was just discussion

2198
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:15,920
and direction rather than an action

2199
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,360
item. But but the the the approval is

2200
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:22,000
for the direction as as listed in the

2201
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:23,920
motion.

2202
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:26,320
Okay.

2203
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,320
Thank you.

2204
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:29,440
Move on to the next item.

2205
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:30,070
>> Before we go.

2206
01:57:30,070 --> 01:57:30,080
» Before we go.

2207
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:30,790
>> Yes, sir.

2208
01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:30,800
» Yes, sir.

2209
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:32,950
>> David, what you're saying is it can be

2210
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:32,960
» David, what you're saying is it can be

2211
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:34,080
changed.

2212
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:35,350
>> And that's what you understood.

2213
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:35,360
» And that's what you understood.

2214
01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:35,830
>> Absolutely.

2215
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:35,840
» Absolutely.

2216
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:37,910
>> That's what I thought, too. It can be

2217
01:57:37,910 --> 01:57:37,920
» That's what I thought, too. It can be

2218
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:40,390
>> It's not a It's not a a a a contract.

2219
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:40,400
» It's not a It's not a a a a contract.

2220
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:41,840
It's not a resolution even.

2221
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:42,709
>> So, it can be changed.

2222
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:42,719
» So, it can be changed.

2223
01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:46,470
>> It's approving the the direction.

2224
01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:46,480
» It's approving the the direction.

2225
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:47,990
>> Yeah.

2226
01:57:47,990 --> 01:57:48,000
» Yeah.

2227
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:49,589
>> It'll be reflected in the minutes about

2228
01:57:49,589 --> 01:57:49,599
» It'll be reflected in the minutes about

2229
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:51,360
what it was. So that way there's a

2230
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:53,520
starting point for and and and they're

2231
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:56,080
going to be I think as Kelly said on

2232
01:57:56,080 --> 01:58:00,560
Friday, this is almost the exact same

2233
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:03,910
um item.

2234
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,719
Then the board will be there

2235
01:58:06,719 --> 01:58:09,270
>> as they should be.

2236
01:58:09,270 --> 01:58:09,280
» as they should be.

2237
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:10,560
Should have been tonight, but we told

2238
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:14,870
him not to come. That seems fishy.

2239
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,920
» Okay, number four.

2240
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:19,679
We're going to approve resolution number

2241
01:58:19,679 --> 01:58:21,360
2026-40,

2242
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:23,920
a resolution of the city council, the

2243
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:25,520
city council of the city of Tomball,

2244
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:28,000
Texas, accepting the PID petition and

2245
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,599
calling for the public hearing on

2246
01:58:29,599 --> 01:58:32,159
October 5th, 2026 for the creation of

2247
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:34,000
the Tomball public improvement district

2248
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:38,880
number 15 Roop and be located within the

2249
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,840
city of Tombball. SMA, you have anything

2250
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:42,960
you'd like to add?

2251
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:44,950
>> Uh, yes, sir. just that this resolution

2252
01:58:44,950 --> 01:58:44,960
» Uh, yes, sir. just that this resolution

2253
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:47,599
will accept the previous PID petition.

2254
01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:50,239
Nothing is changing. Um this is just be

2255
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:53,440
based on a statutory basic timeout. We

2256
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:55,360
took the break until the CCN was

2257
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:57,440
approved. We did receive notification of

2258
01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,199
the CCN. So we have to start our

2259
01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:01,760
statutory guidelines over again for the

2260
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,679
public hearing.

2261
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:06,310
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve

2262
01:59:06,310 --> 01:59:06,320
» Thank you. Is there a motion to approve

2263
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:10,320
resolution number 2026-40?

2264
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:13,189
>> So moved.

2265
01:59:13,189 --> 01:59:13,199
» So moved.

2266
01:59:13,199 --> 01:59:14,320
Second

2267
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:17,589
>> discussion.

2268
01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:30,229
» No discussion. We'll call for the vote.

2269
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:33,760
Motion carries 5-0.

2270
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:38,560
Next item, consideration of an action on

2271
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:42,800
a variance request from La Reserva Meat

2272
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:47,360
Market for alcohol sales at 22824

2273
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:50,960
Huffmith Corville Road, Tomal, Texas due

2274
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:54,159
to the proximity to a public school

2275
01:59:54,159 --> 01:59:56,000
property. Mr. Harris,

2276
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:57,830
>> thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Brief

2277
01:59:57,830 --> 01:59:57,840
» thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Brief

2278
01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,840
presentation for council regarding uh

2279
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:02,800
this particular uh variance. Um, so the

2280
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:05,679
city did receive a TABC application for

2281
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:08,639
La Reserva um and inform the applicant

2282
02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:11,520
that the um development was near a

2283
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:14,000
Tombal ISD property in which case it

2284
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:16,960
would trigger section 4-3 of our code of

2285
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:19,840
ordinances. Uh, the applicant formally

2286
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:22,880
uh requested a variance um to be brought

2287
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:25,280
before council and in your packet you'll

2288
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:26,880
see a copy of the no objection letter

2289
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:29,840
from Tombball is ISD.

2290
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:34,320
Um just a a brief um view of the map. As

2291
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:37,119
you can see, uh within our city limits,

2292
02:00:37,119 --> 02:00:41,119
uh there is um uh 300 foot buffer zone

2293
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:42,480
that you can see it does touch the

2294
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,199
Tombal ISD, which uh on the screen is

2295
02:00:45,199 --> 02:00:47,360
going to be the property highlighted in

2296
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:52,159
yellow at the top left. Um um we will

2297
02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:54,159
touch base with the applicant um because

2298
02:00:54,159 --> 02:00:56,080
although it's outside of our city limits

2299
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,239
um for TABC's purposes, they will also

2300
02:00:58,239 --> 02:01:00,239
need to contact Klein ISD, but that's

2301
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:04,480
for TS TABC because to the um the tree

2302
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:07,119
area, which is the Klein ISD property is

2303
02:01:07,119 --> 02:01:09,360
outside of our city limits and so um

2304
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:11,599
they will need to contact that once they

2305
02:01:11,599 --> 02:01:14,159
take this application to the TABC level.

2306
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:16,159
But on the local level, uh, council's

2307
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:18,960
more concerned with the Tombal ISD, uh,

2308
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:20,480
objection because that is within the the

2309
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:23,119
the city limits and Tom ISD has no

2310
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:27,199
objection. Um, and so with that, uh, uh,

2311
02:01:27,199 --> 02:01:29,040
council, um, I don't know if the

2312
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:30,239
applicant is here. I know they were

2313
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:32,000
going to try to make it. Yes. So, Steve

2314
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,320
Sandival is here. Um, so if you guys got

2315
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:36,320
any further questions for him regarding

2316
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:37,360
this particular

2317
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:40,550
>> speak application

2318
02:01:40,550 --> 02:01:40,560
» speak application

2319
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:42,880
there

2320
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:45,599
name and address, sir.

2321
02:01:45,599 --> 02:01:48,310
>> Steve Sandaval, 12638 Ranger Court in

2322
02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:48,320
» Steve Sandaval, 12638 Ranger Court in

2323
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:50,880
Magnolia. Um, I have no nothing to add,

2324
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:52,719
but free to answer any questions that

2325
02:01:52,719 --> 02:01:55,280
might clear up anything that uh can come

2326
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:58,080
up.

2327
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:01,030
>> Mr. Paris, did you say that the um the

2328
02:02:01,030 --> 02:02:01,040
» Mr. Paris, did you say that the um the

2329
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:02,719
building in question is not in the

2330
02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:04,080
Tomball city limits?

2331
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,629
>> No, the building is in to city limits.

2332
02:02:06,629 --> 02:02:06,639
» No, the building is in to city limits.

2333
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:09,040
Yeah. Yeah. Just uh

2334
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:09,669
>> client

2335
02:02:09,669 --> 02:02:09,679
» client

2336
02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:11,510
>> the Klein ISD portion.

2337
02:02:11,510 --> 02:02:11,520
» the Klein ISD portion.

2338
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:11,990
>> Yes.

2339
02:02:11,990 --> 02:02:12,000
» Yes.

2340
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:13,510
>> That is outside the city limits.

2341
02:02:13,510 --> 02:02:13,520
» That is outside the city limits.

2342
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:14,229
>> I gota

2343
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:14,239
» I gota

2344
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:16,870
>> um and so when council approves here or

2345
02:02:16,870 --> 02:02:16,880
» um and so when council approves here or

2346
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:19,360
if council approves here is they're just

2347
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:22,000
they're just concerned about the uh the

2348
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:23,599
stuff that's within the city limits.

2349
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:25,510
>> Okay. U once the applicant takes the

2350
02:02:25,510 --> 02:02:25,520
» Okay. U once the applicant takes the

2351
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:27,520
application to TABC, they'll have to

2352
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:30,639
contact Klein ISD for TABC possible get

2353
02:02:30,639 --> 02:02:31,360
a Gota.

2354
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:32,709
>> So as far as what the council is

2355
02:02:32,709 --> 02:02:32,719
» So as far as what the council is

2356
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:35,520
concerned of within the 300 foot um in

2357
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:37,760
the city limits is the Tombball ISD and

2358
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:39,920
Tombal ISD has no objection.

2359
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:42,229
>> Okay.

2360
02:02:42,229 --> 02:02:42,239
» Okay.

2361
02:02:42,239 --> 02:02:44,639
And you' be selling beer and wine?

2362
02:02:44,639 --> 02:02:45,750
>> Yes, just beer and wine.

2363
02:02:45,750 --> 02:02:45,760
» Yes, just beer and wine.

2364
02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:48,310
>> But no one's drinking at the shop. Um,

2365
02:02:48,310 --> 02:02:48,320
» But no one's drinking at the shop. Um,

2366
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,400
we will have like a little restaurant

2367
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:52,880
side on the on the side and people would

2368
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:55,440
be open to grab the beer from the fridge

2369
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:58,080
or most likely not the wine, but just

2370
02:02:58,080 --> 02:02:59,360
the beers from the fridge and and be

2371
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:00,480
able to drink it there at the tables

2372
02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:04,310
that we do have there.

2373
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:06,159
They are booths. I can show some

2374
02:03:06,159 --> 02:03:07,920
pictures if that would help.

2375
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:09,910
>> Will they be indoor or outdoor?

2376
02:03:09,910 --> 02:03:09,920
» Will they be indoor or outdoor?

2377
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:10,870
>> All indoor.

2378
02:03:10,870 --> 02:03:10,880
» All indoor.

2379
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:11,589
>> All indoor.

2380
02:03:11,589 --> 02:03:11,599
» All indoor.

2381
02:03:11,599 --> 02:03:13,990
>> Yes, sir.

2382
02:03:13,990 --> 02:03:14,000
» Yes, sir.

2383
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,719
So this isn't like a grocery store sale

2384
02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:18,639
of beer and wine or a convenience store

2385
02:03:18,639 --> 02:03:20,400
sale of beer and wine. This is like open

2386
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:22,480
container sale.

2387
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:26,709
>> Yes. Yes.

2388
02:03:26,719 --> 02:03:29,520
» What was the gas station that you we

2389
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:30,480
voted down?

2390
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:33,830
>> I know which

2391
02:03:33,830 --> 02:03:33,840
» I know which

2392
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:35,119
223.

2393
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:37,589
>> Zoom out a little. No, this is a steel

2394
02:03:37,589 --> 02:03:37,599
» Zoom out a little. No, this is a steel

2395
02:03:37,599 --> 02:03:39,280
picture on the on the uh

2396
02:03:39,280 --> 02:03:41,030
>> I think they wouldn't be able to carry

2397
02:03:41,030 --> 02:03:41,040
» I think they wouldn't be able to carry

2398
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:43,119
anything out of the facility. Correct.

2399
02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:44,470
>> No. Correct. No.

2400
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:44,480
» No. Correct. No.

2401
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:47,430
>> Oh, okay. So, you can't buy a 12-pack

2402
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:47,440
» Oh, okay. So, you can't buy a 12-pack

2403
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:48,239
and walk out.

2404
02:03:48,239 --> 02:03:48,790
>> Yeah. That

2405
02:03:48,790 --> 02:03:48,800
» Yeah. That

2406
02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:50,709
>> Oh, uh No, no, no, no. Yes, you you can

2407
02:03:50,709 --> 02:03:50,719
» Oh, uh No, no, no, no. Yes, you you can

2408
02:03:50,719 --> 02:03:54,239
buy So, we're a grocery store as well as

2409
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:55,360
um

2410
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:55,830
>> Okay,

2411
02:03:55,830 --> 02:03:55,840
» Okay,

2412
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:57,990
>> let me see. How can I explain it? you

2413
02:03:57,990 --> 02:03:58,000
» let me see. How can I explain it? you

2414
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:01,040
you we we'll have a a quick service side

2415
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:03,040
of a restaurant and you'll be able to

2416
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,960
get your food and you can take your your

2417
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:06,639
food home or or you can eat there as

2418
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:08,080
well. That's why we have the booths

2419
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:10,080
there. But then we also are a meat

2420
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:12,000
market. So we'll we'll we'll have

2421
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:16,080
groceries, canned products. Um it's a

2422
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:18,080
small small scale convenience store that

2423
02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:20,719
you can go in there, buy it, and then go

2424
02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:22,800
home as well. So we're not

2425
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,390
>> drink it there.

2426
02:04:24,390 --> 02:04:24,400
» drink it there.

2427
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:27,990
>> You could. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

2428
02:04:27,990 --> 02:04:28,000
» You could. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

2429
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:30,719
And do y'all safeguards where y'all

2430
02:04:30,719 --> 02:04:32,480
would monitor if somebody's

2431
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:33,910
>> I just worry about because it's right by

2432
02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:33,920
» I just worry about because it's right by

2433
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:35,040
a school.

2434
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:36,709
>> Um and I know the I don't know if the

2435
02:04:36,709 --> 02:04:36,719
» Um and I know the I don't know if the

2436
02:04:36,719 --> 02:04:38,880
school asks these same questions, but

2437
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:40,790
>> I would hate for something to happen and

2438
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:40,800
» I would hate for something to happen and

2439
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:41,920
then

2440
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:43,189
>> council approved

2441
02:04:43,189 --> 02:04:43,199
» council approved

2442
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:43,830
>> school

2443
02:04:43,830 --> 02:04:43,840
» school

2444
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:45,350
>> and there's I I just are there

2445
02:04:45,350 --> 02:04:45,360
» and there's I I just are there

2446
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:47,040
safeguards for if you see somebody that

2447
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:50,719
had more than just the one or two at

2448
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:52,080
lunchtime?

2449
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:53,910
>> Definitely. So, um, we're definitely

2450
02:04:53,910 --> 02:04:53,920
» Definitely. So, um, we're definitely

2451
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:55,760
going to be, uh, training all the

2452
02:04:55,760 --> 02:04:59,920
employees for the

2453
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:01,920
everything that has to, um, fall within

2454
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:05,520
TABC limits. Um, we'll train all the

2455
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:06,800
employees for that. And then if there's

2456
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:08,159
anything extra that you guys would feel

2457
02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:09,920
comfortable that we add, then we're open

2458
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:17,669
to that as well.

2459
02:05:17,679 --> 02:05:18,560
» Motion right now.

2460
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:20,709
>> Yeah, we're going to do the motion. But

2461
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:20,719
» Yeah, we're going to do the motion. But

2462
02:05:20,719 --> 02:05:22,480
um is there a motion regarding a

2463
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:24,800
variance request from Reserve Meat

2464
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:27,840
Market for alcohol sales at 22824

2465
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:30,320
Hudsmith Corville Road, Tom Ball, Texas

2466
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:32,880
due the proximity

2467
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:35,920
of a public school property?

2468
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:37,189
>> Second.

2469
02:05:37,189 --> 02:05:37,199
» Second.

2470
02:05:37,199 --> 02:05:40,149
>> We've discussed. Any more questions from

2471
02:05:40,149 --> 02:05:40,159
» We've discussed. Any more questions from

2472
02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:41,840
council or we

2473
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:44,229
>> Yeah, we have discussion now.

2474
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:44,239
» Yeah, we have discussion now.

2475
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:46,950
>> Yes, we have. Did we not turn down a

2476
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:46,960
» Yes, we have. Did we not turn down a

2477
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:49,360
convenience store with a similar

2478
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:51,840
application

2479
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:53,510
>> at the last meeting?

2480
02:05:53,510 --> 02:05:53,520
» at the last meeting?

2481
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:54,149
>> Did.

2482
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:54,159
» Did.

2483
02:05:54,159 --> 02:05:54,470
>> Okay.

2484
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:54,480
» Okay.

2485
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:58,470
>> I recall.

2486
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:00,400
» I wouldn't have a problem with it if you

2487
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:02,239
couldn't drink it there.

2488
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:03,990
>> I mean, there's a gas station right down

2489
02:06:03,990 --> 02:06:04,000
» I mean, there's a gas station right down

2490
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:06,080
the corner there that you can buy beer

2491
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:07,599
in and take it out,

2492
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:10,629
>> but you can't drink it on the premises

2493
02:06:10,629 --> 02:06:10,639
» but you can't drink it on the premises

2494
02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:13,030
>> and that just that bothers me being that

2495
02:06:13,030 --> 02:06:13,040
» and that just that bothers me being that

2496
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:14,000
close to the school.

2497
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:15,109
>> Me, too. Sure.

2498
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:15,119
» Me, too. Sure.

2499
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:16,629
>> Could you change that rule where you

2500
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:16,639
» Could you change that rule where you

2501
02:06:16,639 --> 02:06:18,159
cannot drink it on the premises? Would

2502
02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:19,440
that be something y'all

2503
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:20,709
>> Yeah. At the end of the day? I mean,

2504
02:06:20,709 --> 02:06:20,719
» Yeah. At the end of the day? I mean,

2505
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:21,920
that that's something that we're open

2506
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:24,320
to. We can we can work with that.

2507
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:25,119
Definitely.

2508
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:26,470
>> That even be enforced. You'd have to

2509
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:26,480
» That even be enforced. You'd have to

2510
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:27,760
have somebody in there all the time

2511
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:28,800
watching it because I think the

2512
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:30,400
customers are going to expect that,

2513
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:30,790
>> right?

2514
02:06:30,790 --> 02:06:30,800
» right?

2515
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:32,390
>> I think they would expect that, which is

2516
02:06:32,390 --> 02:06:32,400
» I think they would expect that, which is

2517
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:34,000
why we were going to go why we

2518
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:36,400
originally submitted the application in

2519
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:40,400
that way. Um, but we were prepared to go

2520
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:41,920
the second route. Um, at the end of the

2521
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:43,599
day, we're selling meat. So, we want to

2522
02:06:43,599 --> 02:06:45,520
be able to at least sell it to people

2523
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:47,119
that are having their barbecues and and

2524
02:06:47,119 --> 02:06:50,320
their cookouts. Um, not that big of a

2525
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:51,599
deal to let somebody know that they can

2526
02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:53,840
drink some some alcohol. Right. Right. R

2527
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:55,840
right there is um if if that's what we

2528
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:59,830
have to do to get around it.

2529
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:02,000
If the variance stipulates that they

2530
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:04,560
cannot carry alcohol outside the the

2531
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:06,079
doors then

2532
02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:06,870
>> open containment

2533
02:07:06,870 --> 02:07:06,880
» open containment

2534
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:07,270
>> open

2535
02:07:07,270 --> 02:07:07,280
» open

2536
02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:10,550
>> open

2537
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:11,679
outside.

2538
02:07:11,679 --> 02:07:13,030
>> No, at the grocery store they're going

2539
02:07:13,030 --> 02:07:13,040
» No, at the grocery store they're going

2540
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:14,239
to be taking it out. They're going to go

2541
02:07:14,239 --> 02:07:14,719
buy it.

2542
02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:16,790
>> If they buy a 12-pack, they can't walk

2543
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:16,800
» If they buy a 12-pack, they can't walk

2544
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:18,560
out the door with it.

2545
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:21,109
>> That that's that's the whole premise of

2546
02:07:21,109 --> 02:07:21,119
» That that's that's the whole premise of

2547
02:07:21,119 --> 02:07:25,199
keeping everything inside the building.

2548
02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:27,360
That's going to keep the humans that

2549
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:28,880
already drank that 12-pack inside the

2550
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:29,920
building.

2551
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:31,990
>> Yep. But at least in there you've got

2552
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:32,000
» Yep. But at least in there you've got

2553
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:34,480
them controlled. They get ced if you

2554
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:38,079
know if they look young.

2555
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:41,910
>> So So um are you saying even even um

2556
02:07:41,910 --> 02:07:41,920
» So So um are you saying even even um

2557
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:44,400
taking out clothes containers like that

2558
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:45,679
12-pack? You're saying you're saying

2559
02:07:45,679 --> 02:07:48,000
that whole 12-pack has they they just

2560
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:49,599
they buy it and they have to consume it

2561
02:07:49,599 --> 02:07:50,960
there on site.

2562
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:53,430
>> Yeah, pretty much. I mean that that's

2563
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:53,440
» Yeah, pretty much. I mean that that's

2564
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:56,480
that that's that's why that's why are

2565
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:57,360
there

2566
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:02,390
>> to protect

2567
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:04,239
» Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what

2568
02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:04,880
you're saying.

2569
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:06,790
>> Grab a 12 pack and walking out with it.

2570
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:06,800
» Grab a 12 pack and walking out with it.

2571
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:08,790
>> I see what you're saying.

2572
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:08,800
» I see what you're saying.

2573
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:10,550
>> Well, I'll leave it up to those guys to

2574
02:08:10,550 --> 02:08:10,560
» Well, I'll leave it up to those guys to

2575
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:11,760
take care of the guys that drink the

2576
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,040
12-pack of in the restaurant. So,

2577
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:16,870
>> I don't have a problem with them buying

2578
02:08:16,870 --> 02:08:16,880
» I don't have a problem with them buying

2579
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:18,800
it and leaving with it. I just don't

2580
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:20,400
want them drinking in there because I

2581
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:22,800
mean, you go

2582
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:25,280
about 400 yards down the road and

2583
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:28,000
there's two gas stations in each corner.

2584
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,870
>> Yeah, there is that have liquor back

2585
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:30,880
» Yeah, there is that have liquor back

2586
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:31,440
there.

2587
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:33,109
>> But but but the building wasn't a school

2588
02:08:33,109 --> 02:08:33,119
» But but but the building wasn't a school

2589
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:35,760
when when the gas stations opened up.

2590
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:38,239
That that's the problem.

2591
02:08:38,239 --> 02:08:39,030
>> You have anything?

2592
02:08:39,030 --> 02:08:39,040
» You have anything?

2593
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:40,870
>> Yeah, that

2594
02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:40,880
» Yeah, that

2595
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:43,199
how do you differentiate that? This is

2596
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:47,920
asking for a variance to buy beer and

2597
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:50,960
walk out with it without the without

2598
02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:53,040
being opened versus being able to

2599
02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:54,400
consume it there.

2600
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:55,990
>> So, so they would they would do that.

2601
02:08:55,990 --> 02:08:56,000
» So, so they would they would do that.

2602
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:57,599
They would handle that with their TABC

2603
02:08:57,599 --> 02:08:59,599
application. So on their TABC

2604
02:08:59,599 --> 02:09:01,199
application rather than it being an

2605
02:09:01,199 --> 02:09:03,119
onremise consumption, they would change

2606
02:09:03,119 --> 02:09:05,360
it to a retail store which is strictly

2607
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:07,280
offremise. That's correct. People would

2608
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:08,079
have to correct.

2609
02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:10,470
>> So what is our vote today is what

2610
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:10,480
» So what is our vote today is what

2611
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:12,950
>> you can add that to your motion.

2612
02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:12,960
» you can add that to your motion.

2613
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:16,639
approved DABC permit for retail sales.

2614
02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:19,430
>> Yes.

2615
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:19,440
» Yes.

2616
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:22,229
>> Not on premise consumption.

2617
02:09:22,229 --> 02:09:22,239
» Not on premise consumption.

2618
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:23,430
>> That's what I vote for.

2619
02:09:23,430 --> 02:09:23,440
» That's what I vote for.

2620
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:25,109
>> Yeah. That that's up to council. However

2621
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:25,119
» Yeah. That that's up to council. However

2622
02:09:25,119 --> 02:09:27,440
you guys decide you want to allow

2623
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:28,560
everything, if you want to allow

2624
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:30,079
nothing, if you only want to allow on

2625
02:09:30,079 --> 02:09:30,960
premise,

2626
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:32,870
>> however you word that that motion and

2627
02:09:32,870 --> 02:09:32,880
» however you word that that motion and

2628
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:34,960
that approval, it's it's up to you.

2629
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:36,950
>> So, we're saying if I go in there and

2630
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:36,960
» So, we're saying if I go in there and

2631
02:09:36,960 --> 02:09:40,639
buy some uh carnitas. Okay.

2632
02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:42,870
>> Yeah. and I want to have a beer with it.

2633
02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:42,880
» Yeah. and I want to have a beer with it.

2634
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:44,000
I can't do it.

2635
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:44,470
>> Correct.

2636
02:09:44,470 --> 02:09:44,480
» Correct.

2637
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:46,310
>> I gotta drive home and eat it and drink

2638
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:46,320
» I gotta drive home and eat it and drink

2639
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:47,040
my beer.

2640
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:47,669
>> I see it.

2641
02:09:47,669 --> 02:09:47,679
» I see it.

2642
02:09:47,679 --> 02:09:49,910
>> Just like at a grocery store.

2643
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:49,920
» Just like at a grocery store.

2644
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:51,830
>> Just like at the gas station that sells

2645
02:09:51,830 --> 02:09:51,840
» Just like at the gas station that sells

2646
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:54,320
McDonald's hamburgers.

2647
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:57,030
>> Our our our direct competition is um a

2648
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:57,040
» Our our our direct competition is um a

2649
02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:00,560
chain called Lami Takana. And um they

2650
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:03,199
allow the the reason we submitted our

2651
02:10:03,199 --> 02:10:05,360
application that way was because they

2652
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:06,960
allow

2653
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:08,800
anybody to go in there and drink it and

2654
02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:13,119
drink alcohol. But I didn't know when we

2655
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:14,400
were submitting the application that it

2656
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:17,360
was within 300 ft of of a school. So I

2657
02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:18,960
don't know if my direct competition has

2658
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:21,040
locations around schools and and maybe

2659
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:22,560
they have to work around it a similar

2660
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:26,069
way.

2661
02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:28,079
» Councilman, I'm saying that if they want

2662
02:10:28,079 --> 02:10:30,560
to go in and have a barbecue sandwich

2663
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:33,520
and drink a beer on the premises,

2664
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:35,360
that's okay.

2665
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:36,790
>> And that's the current application that

2666
02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:36,800
» And that's the current application that

2667
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:39,040
they would have on file. So, I mean, if

2668
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:39,679
if

2669
02:10:39,679 --> 02:10:40,470
>> that's what exactly

2670
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:40,480
» that's what exactly

2671
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:42,629
>> they have to change the their variance

2672
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:42,639
» they have to change the their variance

2673
02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:44,719
request,

2674
02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:47,679
my my position is I don't want somebody

2675
02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:51,040
to go go in there and buy a 12-pack and

2676
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:52,880
leave because if you have a kid that

2677
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:56,320
somehow manages to get hold of of a fake

2678
02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,800
ID, he can go in there, buy it, and go

2679
02:10:58,800 --> 02:10:59,520
back to school.

2680
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:01,430
>> Yeah. But that's any Well, okay. Because

2681
02:11:01,430 --> 02:11:01,440
» Yeah. But that's any Well, okay. Because

2682
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:02,639
you're talking about the school.

2683
02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:02,870
>> Yeah.

2684
02:11:02,870 --> 02:11:02,880
» Yeah.

2685
02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:04,790
>> But that's right across the street.

2686
02:11:04,790 --> 02:11:04,800
» But that's right across the street.

2687
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:06,790
>> Yeah, you you can. So that's why I'm

2688
02:11:06,790 --> 02:11:06,800
» Yeah, you you can. So that's why I'm

2689
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:08,960
saying I don't want I just don't want a

2690
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:11,520
container in there.

2691
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:13,589
>> I I would like to add that the the

2692
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:13,599
» I I would like to add that the the

2693
02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:15,920
school is so we're on the main on

2694
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:17,760
Huffsmith Corville and there there's no

2695
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:20,639
sidewalks. There's no um you know the

2696
02:11:20,639 --> 02:11:22,880
school is a it's an innovation center.

2697
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:27,840
Um and it's a building halfway down. Um

2698
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:29,189
>> but they're building another school

2699
02:11:29,189 --> 02:11:29,199
» but they're building another school

2700
02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:30,320
there closer to you.

2701
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:30,950
>> Oh, are they?

2702
02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:30,960
» Oh, are they?

2703
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:33,990
>> Yeah. I bet you I missed that meeting.

2704
02:11:33,990 --> 02:11:34,000
» Yeah. I bet you I missed that meeting.

2705
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:35,679
They're gun school.

2706
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:36,069
>> Okay.

2707
02:11:36,069 --> 02:11:36,079
» Okay.

2708
02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:38,310
>> This way. Although it is intermediate

2709
02:11:38,310 --> 02:11:38,320
» This way. Although it is intermediate

2710
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:39,040
and

2711
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:41,830
>> see we we we

2712
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:41,840
» see we we we

2713
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:44,639
voted down a similar request two weeks

2714
02:11:44,639 --> 02:11:45,280
ago.

2715
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:45,910
>> Okay.

2716
02:11:45,910 --> 02:11:45,920
» Okay.

2717
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:47,830
>> Right.

2718
02:11:47,830 --> 02:11:47,840
» Right.

2719
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:49,510
>> But I think the reason we voted down

2720
02:11:49,510 --> 02:11:49,520
» But I think the reason we voted down

2721
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:52,239
that guy kind of told us story when he

2722
02:11:52,239 --> 02:11:54,719
said he wasn't going to make it to go to

2723
02:11:54,719 --> 02:11:57,119
a gas station.

2724
02:11:57,119 --> 02:12:01,040
But it it's it's from my perception it's

2725
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:05,840
the same issue just because the guy may

2726
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:08,159
have not

2727
02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:10,480
been as forthcoming

2728
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:12,800
as what he should have been and that

2729
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:15,199
aggravated a few of us but it's it's

2730
02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:17,520
still the same premise.

2731
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:20,310
>> Yes. So currently Mr. Harris what's the

2732
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:20,320
» Yes. So currently Mr. Harris what's the

2733
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:22,400
motion? So currently right now the

2734
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:23,920
motion would be to approve the sale of

2735
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:27,040
alcohol and it would include what is on

2736
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:29,119
his current application which is what on

2737
02:12:29,119 --> 02:12:31,520
his current application is for wine and

2738
02:12:31,520 --> 02:12:35,280
malt beverage on premise permit

2739
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:39,589
>> to drive away with it. anti drive.

2740
02:12:39,589 --> 02:12:39,599
» to drive away with it. anti drive.

2741
02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:40,390
>> Yeah.

2742
02:12:40,390 --> 02:12:40,400
» Yeah.

2743
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:43,030
>> I mean that would be covered under

2744
02:12:43,030 --> 02:12:43,040
» I mean that would be covered under

2745
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:45,589
>> so council could

2746
02:12:45,589 --> 02:12:45,599
» so council could

2747
02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:48,790
>> withdraw the motion and just he could re

2748
02:12:48,790 --> 02:12:48,800
» withdraw the motion and just he could re

2749
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:51,920
and say enter the motion as

2750
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:53,189
>> I believe the other option being

2751
02:12:53,189 --> 02:12:53,199
» I believe the other option being

2752
02:12:53,199 --> 02:12:55,679
discussed is you know alcohol sales for

2753
02:12:55,679 --> 02:12:58,960
off- premise only in which case Mr.

2754
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:01,520
Sandival would have to submit a revised

2755
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:02,880
or new application because this one

2756
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:04,719
hasn't been approved that would be just

2757
02:13:04,719 --> 02:13:07,599
for off- premise under TABC. So would it

2758
02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:10,159
be if we decide to do that would then we

2759
02:13:10,159 --> 02:13:11,920
vote this down and he has to come back

2760
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:14,079
with a revised

2761
02:13:14,079 --> 02:13:15,669
>> No, you could approve it tonight with

2762
02:13:15,669 --> 02:13:15,679
» No, you could approve it tonight with

2763
02:13:15,679 --> 02:13:19,199
that condition and um either either uh

2764
02:13:19,199 --> 02:13:22,320
Councilwoman Coington and uh Councilman

2765
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:23,760
Parr could withdraw their motion and

2766
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:26,079
enter that as the new motion. That would

2767
02:13:26,079 --> 02:13:28,239
be the easiest thing to do

2768
02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:30,310
>> and to approve the variance with the off

2769
02:13:30,310 --> 02:13:30,320
» and to approve the variance with the off

2770
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:32,639
off premise consumption only. And just

2771
02:13:32,639 --> 02:13:35,599
so I know uh what what to do if if it

2772
02:13:35,599 --> 02:13:38,079
were denied, would I have to reach back

2773
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:41,440
out to um council for for Tombball ISD

2774
02:13:41,440 --> 02:13:43,679
and and request something different in

2775
02:13:43,679 --> 02:13:47,040
their in their um wording since they

2776
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:49,440
already approved it or or

2777
02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:50,950
>> I wouldn't think so since he's already

2778
02:13:50,950 --> 02:13:50,960
» I wouldn't think so since he's already

2779
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:53,840
approved for both inhouse and and

2780
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:55,990
>> corrective.

2781
02:13:55,990 --> 02:13:56,000
» corrective.

2782
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:56,470
>> That's correct.

2783
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:56,480
» That's correct.

2784
02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:58,310
>> Because we're minimizing that risk.

2785
02:13:58,310 --> 02:13:58,320
» Because we're minimizing that risk.

2786
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:01,669
>> Okay. Okay. Um,

2787
02:14:01,669 --> 02:14:01,679
» Okay. Okay. Um,

2788
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:04,000
what do you prefer? Which one?

2789
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:06,950
>> Um, well, really, we can work with

2790
02:14:06,950 --> 02:14:06,960
» Um, well, really, we can work with

2791
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:09,040
either one.

2792
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:09,990
>> I want you to

2793
02:14:09,990 --> 02:14:10,000
» I want you to

2794
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:12,709
>> I think I think not not more of the

2795
02:14:12,709 --> 02:14:12,719
» I think I think not not more of the

2796
02:14:12,719 --> 02:14:16,079
money, but um don't want for people to

2797
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:18,320
come in there and and just leave

2798
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:20,880
untasteful. So whether that is somebody

2799
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:22,639
coming in there like like a council

2800
02:14:22,639 --> 02:14:24,560
member here and seeing that people are

2801
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:26,480
drinking alcohol really close to a

2802
02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:29,119
school or somebody else coming in there

2803
02:14:29,119 --> 02:14:30,560
and seeing that they can drink their

2804
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:33,599
beer with with um

2805
02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:35,280
with with their meal. So I don't think

2806
02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:36,880
there's a a right or wrong answer. I

2807
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:40,239
think it's just making an answer. Yeah.

2808
02:14:40,239 --> 02:14:42,639
So, does council prefer that we make it

2809
02:14:42,639 --> 02:14:45,599
where they cannot consume alcohol on

2810
02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:48,880
site and have to leave with it like any

2811
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:51,440
snore?

2812
02:14:51,440 --> 02:14:52,639
That's what we agree. You got the

2813
02:14:52,639 --> 02:14:55,280
motion. That's your motion.

2814
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:57,830
>> Well, my motion is is exactly as their

2815
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:57,840
» Well, my motion is is exactly as their

2816
02:14:57,840 --> 02:14:59,520
application is right now, which is on

2817
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:02,800
premise and drive away with it. Wii

2818
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:05,360
which Okay. Um

2819
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:07,440
I can withdraw my motion if that's what

2820
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:09,280
council wants. I would still prefer that

2821
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:10,800
motion to be voted on. That's my

2822
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:12,800
preference. That's why I got the motion

2823
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:15,360
not to amend it to

2824
02:15:15,360 --> 02:15:17,280
allow one or the other. It's not that's

2825
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:18,480
not my preference. I'm not going to do

2826
02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:20,079
that. I'm not going to amend my motion

2827
02:15:20,079 --> 02:15:21,599
to have one or the other. I could

2828
02:15:21,599 --> 02:15:23,599
withdraw it or we could vote on it and

2829
02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:26,639
it can get whatever you want, but um or

2830
02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:28,400
I could just withdraw it. I don't I

2831
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:30,480
don't personally want alcohol there at

2832
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:31,840
all. I understand it's just up the

2833
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:34,079
street, but had I been on had that not

2834
02:15:34,079 --> 02:15:36,800
been grandfathered in, I would have

2835
02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:39,280
voted no for that as well.

2836
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:40,790
>> So then procedurally, if that were to

2837
02:15:40,790 --> 02:15:40,800
» So then procedurally, if that were to

2838
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:43,679
happen, okay, we you vote on this

2839
02:15:43,679 --> 02:15:46,159
motion. If it passes, we move on. If it

2840
02:15:46,159 --> 02:15:48,400
fails, then someone could enter another

2841
02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:50,800
motion to reconsider item or reconsider

2842
02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:53,199
the item tonight and enter the motion

2843
02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:55,520
for off off premise.

2844
02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:57,910
>> Well, I say we we go ahead and vote on

2845
02:15:57,910 --> 02:15:57,920
» Well, I say we we go ahead and vote on

2846
02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:01,920
this motion that we have. Okay.

2847
02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:03,669
>> And can you repeat that so I know I'm

2848
02:16:03,669 --> 02:16:03,679
» And can you repeat that so I know I'm

2849
02:16:03,679 --> 02:16:04,480
making

2850
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:06,470
>> So tonight because you can't make an

2851
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:06,480
» So tonight because you can't make an

2852
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:08,159
amendment. The amendment has to be

2853
02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:09,920
gerine to the motion.

2854
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:11,990
>> So since you can't do that in this

2855
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:12,000
» So since you can't do that in this

2856
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:12,880
situation, right?

2857
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:15,830
>> Tonight would be you vote on it on the

2858
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:15,840
» Tonight would be you vote on it on the

2859
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:19,119
motion as it is, which is to approve for

2860
02:16:19,119 --> 02:16:21,199
on premise consumption.

2861
02:16:21,199 --> 02:16:24,470
>> Okay. If that fails, then a council

2862
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:24,480
» Okay. If that fails, then a council

2863
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:26,079
member with a motion and second could

2864
02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:27,840
ask for a motion to reconsider, which we

2865
02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:30,800
would just do a votes void votes voice

2866
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:34,719
vote I can talk and then you could enter

2867
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:36,559
in someone could enter in a motion to

2868
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:36,960
say

2869
02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:37,509
>> okay,

2870
02:16:37,509 --> 02:16:37,519
» okay,

2871
02:16:37,519 --> 02:16:39,669
>> you know motion and second to approve

2872
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:39,679
» you know motion and second to approve

2873
02:16:39,679 --> 02:16:42,160
for off- premise consumption only.

2874
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:43,750
>> Thomas, I know you keep saying on

2875
02:16:43,750 --> 02:16:43,760
» Thomas, I know you keep saying on

2876
02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:45,920
premise consumption. Does that go

2877
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:47,760
without saying that if somebody has on

2878
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:49,200
premise consumption that means they can

2879
02:16:49,200 --> 02:16:51,760
also drive away with it? It it really

2880
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:55,359
depends on u the the the way TVC rules

2881
02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:58,639
is it's it's on premise includes both

2882
02:16:58,639 --> 02:16:59,599
can buy it there would

2883
02:16:59,599 --> 02:17:01,750
>> be misled by the fact that he keeps

2884
02:17:01,750 --> 02:17:01,760
» be misled by the fact that he keeps

2885
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:04,160
saying on premise on premise means drink

2886
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:06,399
it there and drive away with it. Okay.

2887
02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:08,389
>> Yes.

2888
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:08,399
» Yes.

2889
02:17:08,399 --> 02:17:09,509
>> Okay. Good point.

2890
02:17:09,509 --> 02:17:09,519
» Okay. Good point.

2891
02:17:09,519 --> 02:17:13,429
>> Right. Yes. Thank you.

2892
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:13,439
» Right. Yes. Thank you.

2893
02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:14,950
>> That's what we're voting on right now.

2894
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:14,960
» That's what we're voting on right now.

2895
02:17:14,960 --> 02:17:16,080
Yeah.

2896
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:18,870
>> Let's call for the vote.

2897
02:17:18,870 --> 02:17:18,880
» Let's call for the vote.

2898
02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:20,709
>> Thank you everyone.

2899
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:20,719
» Thank you everyone.

2900
02:17:20,719 --> 02:17:35,270
Thank you.

2901
02:17:35,280 --> 02:17:39,750
» Okay. Motion fails.

2902
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:42,319
» So now if we want to amend it, the

2903
02:17:42,319 --> 02:17:42,960
second can

2904
02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:44,309
>> procedurally what you would do is that

2905
02:17:44,309 --> 02:17:44,319
» procedurally what you would do is that

2906
02:17:44,319 --> 02:17:45,679
someone would enter a motion to

2907
02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:47,359
reconsider the item because the item's

2908
02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:50,080
done. So you could somebody would do a

2909
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:51,920
motion in a second reconsider the item.

2910
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:53,439
We can bring it back on the table and

2911
02:17:53,439 --> 02:17:54,880
then enter in the new motion.

2912
02:17:54,880 --> 02:17:56,629
>> Do we have a motion to reconsider the

2913
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:56,639
» Do we have a motion to reconsider the

2914
02:17:56,639 --> 02:18:02,389
item?

2915
02:18:02,399 --> 02:18:05,679
No. And we'll move on to the next next

2916
02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:07,439
item

2917
02:18:07,439 --> 02:18:11,280
number six. Consideration and action on

2918
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:13,200
a variance request from Corville Road

2919
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:17,280
LLC for alcohol sales at 22623 Huffsmith

2920
02:18:17,280 --> 02:18:19,679
Corville Road Tomal, Texas due to

2921
02:18:19,679 --> 02:18:24,000
proximity to a public school property.

2922
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:24,790
>> This is different.

2923
02:18:24,790 --> 02:18:24,800
» This is different.

2924
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:27,349
>> So thank you uh

2925
02:18:27,349 --> 02:18:27,359
» So thank you uh

2926
02:18:27,359 --> 02:18:31,910
>> Mayor Pro Tim and council. Um so this is

2927
02:18:31,910 --> 02:18:31,920
» Mayor Pro Tim and council. Um so this is

2928
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:34,559
a resubmission from um a request for

2929
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:37,280
resubmission from Roadstar. Uh just a

2930
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:38,960
brief highlight and the applicant does

2931
02:18:38,960 --> 02:18:42,160
is here on site and um uh they have a

2932
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:43,679
presentation if council would would like

2933
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:44,880
to see it. Otherwise, they're they're

2934
02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:47,280
here to answer questions.

2935
02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:48,469
>> Let me do the motion.

2936
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:48,479
» Let me do the motion.

2937
02:18:48,479 --> 02:18:49,509
>> Oh, apologies.

2938
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:49,519
» Oh, apologies.

2939
02:18:49,519 --> 02:18:50,150
>> We'll go there.

2940
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:50,160
» We'll go there.

2941
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:51,110
>> Okay, sounds good.

2942
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:51,120
» Okay, sounds good.

2943
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:53,110
>> Is there a motion

2944
02:18:53,110 --> 02:18:53,120
» Is there a motion

2945
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:55,110
>> to regard a varian request from Corville

2946
02:18:55,110 --> 02:18:55,120
» to regard a varian request from Corville

2947
02:18:55,120 --> 02:18:59,280
Road LLC for alcohol sales at 22623 Huff

2948
02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:01,359
Huffmith Corville Road, Tomal, Texas,

2949
02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:04,000
due to proximity to a public school

2950
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:06,240
property? Motion

2951
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:06,950
>> second

2952
02:19:06,950 --> 02:19:06,960
» second

2953
02:19:06,960 --> 02:19:09,669
>> discussion.

2954
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:09,679
» discussion.

2955
02:19:09,679 --> 02:19:10,800
Do we want

2956
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:12,469
>> the exact same as we had two weeks ago?

2957
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:12,479
» the exact same as we had two weeks ago?

2958
02:19:12,479 --> 02:19:13,509
>> It is the same one.

2959
02:19:13,509 --> 02:19:13,519
» It is the same one.

2960
02:19:13,519 --> 02:19:15,509
>> So, how does something get on an agenda

2961
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:15,519
» So, how does something get on an agenda

2962
02:19:15,519 --> 02:19:18,240
two weeks later? Did somebody on council

2963
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,160
request it or did the mayor request it?

2964
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:22,950
>> I was told that they can come back as

2965
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:22,960
» I was told that they can come back as

2966
02:19:22,960 --> 02:19:24,800
much time as many times they like.

2967
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:28,549
>> Okay. So, the applicant ask again back

2968
02:19:28,549 --> 02:19:28,559
» Okay. So, the applicant ask again back

2969
02:19:28,559 --> 02:19:30,240
they fill out the application, resubmit

2970
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:32,319
the fees. Um they're they're allowed to.

2971
02:19:32,319 --> 02:19:34,319
Um, there are zoning variances that

2972
02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:36,080
there's by state law there's like a

2973
02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:37,519
one-year timer. Okay.

2974
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:39,190
>> Unless circumstances have changed. But

2975
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:39,200
» Unless circumstances have changed. But

2976
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:41,040
for other types of variances, if they're

2977
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:42,639
willing to pay the fee again and go

2978
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:44,240
before council again, they they have the

2979
02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:45,280
opportunity.

2980
02:19:45,280 --> 02:19:47,110
>> So, they pay the fee again.

2981
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:47,120
» So, they pay the fee again.

2982
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:50,710
>> Yes.

2983
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:52,000
» I think would we like to have the

2984
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:54,560
gentleman come up here and speak to us?

2985
02:19:54,560 --> 02:19:57,349
>> No.

2986
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:57,359
» No.

2987
02:19:57,359 --> 02:19:59,349
>> Councilman Par.

2988
02:19:59,349 --> 02:19:59,359
» Councilman Par.

2989
02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:00,550
>> Let him come up anyway.

2990
02:20:00,550 --> 02:20:00,560
» Let him come up anyway.

2991
02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:03,429
>> Yeah. Sir, would you like to speak?

2992
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:03,439
» Yeah. Sir, would you like to speak?

2993
02:20:03,439 --> 02:20:05,439
Come on up. Give your name and address,

2994
02:20:05,439 --> 02:20:10,870
please. Sir,

2995
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:13,840
» my name is Danish Manasia uh 5903

2996
02:20:13,840 --> 02:20:15,840
Diamond Shadow Court, Rosenberg, Texas

2997
02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:17,760
77469.

2998
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:20,960
Um I would like to uh uh point out a

2999
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:22,800
point that last meeting it was denied

3000
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:24,880
because I was told that uh you know

3001
02:20:24,880 --> 02:20:27,600
council was not uh clear of what is

3002
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:29,840
going to come over there. uh they had a

3003
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:31,680
uh you know misunderstanding that it was

3004
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:34,000
going to be somebody spoke to me and it

3005
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:35,520
was going to be a shopping center and

3006
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:38,240
not a gas station and so that's why I'm

3007
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:40,560
here to clarify that uh you know I had

3008
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:43,200
plans that been submitted to the city

3009
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:45,520
and so the construction permits are uh

3010
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:47,840
you know we are on on the process for

3011
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:50,479
getting a TABC once we get approved then

3012
02:20:50,479 --> 02:20:52,800
the construction permit will be issued

3013
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:54,880
um but it's a gas station it's not a

3014
02:20:54,880 --> 02:20:57,760
shopping center and um so I think that's

3015
02:20:57,760 --> 02:21:00,960
what I wanted to clarify and I know uh

3016
02:21:00,960 --> 02:21:04,479
council just uh voted on L reserva um

3017
02:21:04,479 --> 02:21:06,399
you know so I want to also point out a

3018
02:21:06,399 --> 02:21:09,040
fact that uh this BG permit I have about

3019
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:11,359
nine operating gas stations and I have

3020
02:21:11,359 --> 02:21:13,600
experience with the same kind of permit

3021
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:15,840
and uh I have a I don't even have a

3022
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:17,920
single violation so far in any of my

3023
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:21,680
stores um second thing um I have a

3024
02:21:21,680 --> 02:21:23,920
restaurant space too where we allow but

3025
02:21:23,920 --> 02:21:26,080
most of the time I would say eight out

3026
02:21:26,080 --> 02:21:27,760
of 10 times you know in a gas station

3027
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:29,760
nobody sits and drink cuz it's not

3028
02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:31,280
specifically a restaurant but I do have

3029
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:33,280
a restaurant and we uh provide that

3030
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:35,840
option for customers to come in. Second

3031
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:38,000
thing is uh there's a product that

3032
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:40,560
everybody's aware of it's a dye to go

3033
02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:42,880
and so TABC requires us to get that

3034
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:44,880
permit if we want to sell it. uh for

3035
02:21:44,880 --> 02:21:46,399
diaries to go. Usually all of my

3036
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:48,240
locations we seal the packets. They

3037
02:21:48,240 --> 02:21:50,000
cannot open or consume it on the

3038
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:52,880
premises. But uh just because of the

3039
02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:55,200
nature of dairy uh instead of a BQ

3040
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:57,280
permit which is a regular sales permit I

3041
02:21:57,280 --> 02:22:03,190
have to apply for BG.

3042
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:06,710
» Any questions?

3043
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:08,560
No questions.

3044
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:10,070
>> Thank you sir. Appreciate it.

3045
02:22:10,070 --> 02:22:10,080
» Thank you sir. Appreciate it.

3046
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:11,510
>> Thank you. Let's

3047
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:11,520
» Thank you. Let's

3048
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:35,750
>> call for the vote.

3049
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:37,840
motion fails. One to five. I'm one to

3050
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:40,800
four, sir.

3051
02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:43,359
Then

3052
02:22:43,359 --> 02:22:46,160
we go to item number seven.

3053
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:48,399
Consideration of an action of resolution

3054
02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:50,160
2026-42,

3055
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:52,000
a resolution of the city of Tombal,

3056
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:54,640
Texas, approving and authorizing an

3057
02:22:54,640 --> 02:22:56,880
interlocal cooperation contract between

3058
02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:58,880
the city of Tombal and its municipal

3059
02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:01,280
courts and the Texas Department of

3060
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:04,479
Public Safety. Mr. Harris, can you

3061
02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:06,080
elaborate more on this, please, sir?

3062
02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:10,309
>> Yes, sir. I sure can. Um the um Texas

3063
02:23:10,309 --> 02:23:10,319
» Yes, sir. I sure can. Um the um Texas

3064
02:23:10,319 --> 02:23:12,160
Department of Public Safety uh

3065
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:13,520
particularly in their driver's license

3066
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:17,760
division um is making a um conversion

3067
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:19,280
that would be effective at the first of

3068
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:24,080
the year um in which um

3069
02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:26,800
this conviction reporting for for for

3070
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:29,280
these type of violations it rather than

3071
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:31,280
it being a manual process becomes an

3072
02:23:31,280 --> 02:23:34,319
entirely digital uh process for that.

3073
02:23:34,319 --> 02:23:37,280
Um, so it it it it allows the court to

3074
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:39,439
electronically submit these violations.

3075
02:23:39,439 --> 02:23:42,720
Um, they're uploaded real time to DPS.

3076
02:23:42,720 --> 02:23:46,880
Um, and um would allow the our municipal

3077
02:23:46,880 --> 02:23:49,600
court to participate uh in this type of

3078
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:53,680
reporting feature for uh DPS. Um, it's

3079
02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:56,720
called the Texas convention Texas

3080
02:23:56,720 --> 02:24:00,960
conviction reporting interface. Um and

3081
02:24:00,960 --> 02:24:03,040
uh per DPS what they're asking uh

3082
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:05,840
jurisdictions to do is to uh enter into

3083
02:24:05,840 --> 02:24:09,200
a interlocal cooperation agreement uh

3084
02:24:09,200 --> 02:24:11,680
with the municipal court. Um and so what

3085
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:14,080
this resolution tonight before you will

3086
02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:17,439
do will um if if council approves it

3087
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:19,359
allow the mun or to participate in that

3088
02:24:19,359 --> 02:24:21,280
electronic process which allows

3089
02:24:21,280 --> 02:24:23,120
real-time data to be sent regarding

3090
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:27,200
convictions to uh uh DPS and then um

3091
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:29,840
authorize the city manager to uh execute

3092
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:31,840
the interlocal agreement or designate

3093
02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:33,520
the court administrator or the interim

3094
02:24:33,520 --> 02:24:36,080
board administrator to do that on on his

3095
02:24:36,080 --> 02:24:38,240
behalf.

3096
02:24:38,240 --> 02:24:40,150
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve

3097
02:24:40,150 --> 02:24:40,160
» Thank you. Is there a motion to approve

3098
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:45,030
resolution number 2026-42?

3099
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:46,880
So moved

3100
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:47,830
>> second

3101
02:24:47,830 --> 02:24:47,840
» second

3102
02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:55,030
>> discussion,

3103
02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:57,040
you have anything you'd like to add,

3104
02:24:57,040 --> 02:24:59,520
council woman?

3105
02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:02,950
>> No, it's it makes life easier for the

3106
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:02,960
» No, it's it makes life easier for the

3107
02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:06,000
officers and I mean that's what the gist

3108
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:08,080
of what I'm getting from it. It's It's a

3109
02:25:08,080 --> 02:25:10,080
positive thing moving forward. I don't

3110
02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:14,550
know much about it.

3111
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:15,840
» Councilman Parr,

3112
02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:17,910
>> anytime you can share information, it's

3113
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:17,920
» anytime you can share information, it's

3114
02:25:17,920 --> 02:25:19,359
good.

3115
02:25:19,359 --> 02:25:20,469
>> Councilman Coington,

3116
02:25:20,469 --> 02:25:20,479
» Councilman Coington,

3117
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:22,309
>> that was my exact take on it when I was

3118
02:25:22,309 --> 02:25:22,319
» that was my exact take on it when I was

3119
02:25:22,319 --> 02:25:23,120
reading this.

3120
02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:23,990
>> Councilman Denn,

3121
02:25:23,990 --> 02:25:24,000
» Councilman Denn,

3122
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:24,630
>> same thing.

3123
02:25:24,630 --> 02:25:24,640
» same thing.

3124
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:26,150
>> Okay.

3125
02:25:26,150 --> 02:25:26,160
» Okay.

3126
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:36,070
>> Call for the vote.

3127
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:39,280
Motion carries 5-0.

3128
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:41,349
>> Next item is approve resolution number

3129
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:41,359
» Next item is approve resolution number

3130
02:25:41,359 --> 02:25:43,840
2026-37,

3131
02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:45,920
a resolution of the city of Tombball,

3132
02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:48,399
Texas approving updates to the fiscal

3133
02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:53,280
year 2026 2027 master fee schedule. Miss

3134
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:55,760
Majio, you have anything to add?

3135
02:25:55,760 --> 02:25:57,750
>> Um, all proposed changes to the master

3136
02:25:57,750 --> 02:25:57,760
» Um, all proposed changes to the master

3137
02:25:57,760 --> 02:25:59,520
fee schedule were based on the actual

3138
02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:01,359
cost of service. So when we looked at

3139
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:03,760
the tap fees, impact or not impact fees,

3140
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:05,840
tap fees, uh development fees, we looked

3141
02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:08,399
at the actual cost of the service. Um,

3142
02:26:08,399 --> 02:26:10,080
additionally, we just did a cleanup for

3143
02:26:10,080 --> 02:26:12,399
the ease of use and removed any fees

3144
02:26:12,399 --> 02:26:14,560
that were excluded due to legislative

3145
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:16,800
updates. The biggest note on this is

3146
02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:18,880
that due to the utility billing cycle,

3147
02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:20,720
these rates will go into effect on the

3148
02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:22,960
September 15th bill that'll be through

3149
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:24,720
October and will be reflective on the

3150
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:28,240
bill issued in or due in November.

3151
02:26:28,240 --> 02:26:30,469
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve

3152
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:30,479
» Thank you. Is there a motion to approve

3153
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:34,710
resolution number 2026-37?

3154
02:26:34,720 --> 02:26:36,160
Motion

3155
02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:37,110
>> second.

3156
02:26:37,110 --> 02:26:37,120
» second.

3157
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:44,870
>> Discussion.

3158
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:48,479
Councilman Dunan. Anything to add?

3159
02:26:48,479 --> 02:26:51,510
Councilwoman.

3160
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:55,040
Councilman Park. Councilman Cington.

3161
02:26:55,040 --> 02:27:09,830
Call for the vote.

3162
02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:11,680
Motion carries 5.

3163
02:27:11,680 --> 02:27:13,270
>> Thank you.

3164
02:27:13,270 --> 02:27:13,280
» Thank you.

3165
02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:16,640
Approve resolution number 2026-39,

3166
02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:19,200
a resolution of the city of Tombball,

3167
02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:21,760
Texas, adopting the city of Tombball's

3168
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:26,479
fiscal year 2027 through 2031

3169
02:27:26,479 --> 02:27:30,160
capital improvement plan. Miss Majio,

3170
02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:32,630
>> um this is just the annual update that

3171
02:27:32,630 --> 02:27:32,640
» um this is just the annual update that

3172
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:35,040
we do every year um to reflect the

3173
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:36,800
changing needs, project priorities,

3174
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:39,040
available funding. Um the projects that

3175
02:27:39,040 --> 02:27:40,240
were included in this one are

3176
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:42,080
encompassing between water, wastewater,

3177
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:43,439
drainage, anything that has been

3178
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:45,280
presented in our previously adopted

3179
02:27:45,280 --> 02:27:47,439
master plans.

3180
02:27:47,439 --> 02:27:49,190
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve

3181
02:27:49,190 --> 02:27:49,200
» Thank you. Is there a motion to approve

3182
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:53,750
resolution number 2026-39?

3183
02:27:53,760 --> 02:27:54,880
» Motion.

3184
02:27:54,880 --> 02:27:55,590
>> Second

3185
02:27:55,590 --> 02:27:55,600
» Second

3186
02:27:55,600 --> 02:27:58,550
>> discussion.

3187
02:27:58,550 --> 02:27:58,560
» discussion.

3188
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:12,230
Appears to be none. Call for the vote.

3189
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:14,640
Motion carries 5-0.

3190
02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:18,230
>> Thank you. Next item. Ratify the

3191
02:28:18,230 --> 02:28:18,240
» Thank you. Next item. Ratify the

3192
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:22,720
financial year 2026 2027 budget and find

3193
02:28:22,720 --> 02:28:26,960
that the pro proposed tax rate of

3194
02:28:26,960 --> 02:28:29,359
34940

3195
02:28:29,359 --> 02:28:33,680
per $100 exceeds the no new revenue tax

3196
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:36,479
rate and will generate more property tax

3197
02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:40,319
revenue than the financial year 2026

3198
02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:43,840
2025 through 2026 budget.

3199
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:44,880
Sir,

3200
02:28:44,880 --> 02:28:49,270
>> yes. This item will ratify the uh the

3201
02:28:49,270 --> 02:28:49,280
» yes. This item will ratify the uh the

3202
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:51,600
current tax rate that we currently are

3203
02:28:51,600 --> 02:28:54,319
uh using for this year as our rate for

3204
02:28:54,319 --> 02:28:57,520
next year's budget and it just ratifies

3205
02:28:57,520 --> 02:28:59,920
it in as used as the rate that we

3206
02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:02,319
calculated our budget for next year

3207
02:29:02,319 --> 02:29:04,160
with.

3208
02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:05,990
>> Thank you sir. Is there a motion to

3209
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:06,000
» Thank you sir. Is there a motion to

3210
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:08,720
ratify the financial year 2026 2027

3211
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:10,720
budget and find that the proposed

3212
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:15,840
proposed tax rate of 340940 per $100

3213
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:18,880
exceeds the no new revenue tax rate and

3214
02:29:18,880 --> 02:29:22,080
will generate more property tax revenue

3215
02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:25,120
than the financial year 2025 through

3216
02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:28,880
2026 budget.

3217
02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:29,600
Motion

3218
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:30,230
>> second

3219
02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:30,240
» second

3220
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:31,990
>> discussion.

3221
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:32,000
» discussion.

3222
02:29:32,000 --> 02:29:34,399
Could we explain to everybody how that

3223
02:29:34,399 --> 02:29:36,319
we're not increasing taxes, but we are

3224
02:29:36,319 --> 02:29:38,479
increasing taxes?

3225
02:29:38,479 --> 02:29:41,439
So, so what happens is your property

3226
02:29:41,439 --> 02:29:44,240
values will actually go up next year.

3227
02:29:44,240 --> 02:29:48,000
So, if you have a $300,000 house, maybe

3228
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:51,280
this year's uh price value of your

3229
02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:53,920
property may be 330,000.

3230
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:56,640
And so even though your tax rate is the

3231
02:29:56,640 --> 02:29:59,040
same as it is next year as it is this

3232
02:29:59,040 --> 02:30:00,960
year, you'll actually pay a little bit

3233
02:30:00,960 --> 02:30:03,120
more because your actual value of your

3234
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:04,800
house has gone up.

3235
02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:08,150
>> And who sets those values?

3236
02:30:08,150 --> 02:30:08,160
» And who sets those values?

3237
02:30:08,160 --> 02:30:09,590
>> The county does.

3238
02:30:09,590 --> 02:30:09,600
» The county does.

3239
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:11,110
>> That's right. Not the city of

3240
02:30:11,110 --> 02:30:11,120
» That's right. Not the city of

3241
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:13,830
>> No, no. The only thing we do is set the

3242
02:30:13,830 --> 02:30:13,840
» No, no. The only thing we do is set the

3243
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:17,120
property tax rate as calculated. And as

3244
02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:19,680
this year, we chose to keep the tax rate

3245
02:30:19,680 --> 02:30:21,680
the same as our current year. But just

3246
02:30:21,680 --> 02:30:24,160
to clarify, the county appraisal

3247
02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:24,880
district.

3248
02:30:24,880 --> 02:30:26,389
>> County appraisal. Correct.

3249
02:30:26,389 --> 02:30:26,399
» County appraisal. Correct.

3250
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:27,990
>> Yes.

3251
02:30:27,990 --> 02:30:28,000
» Yes.

3252
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:28,790
>> Thank you.

3253
02:30:28,790 --> 02:30:28,800
» Thank you.

3254
02:30:28,800 --> 02:30:31,030
>> And that not everybody's

3255
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:31,040
» And that not everybody's

3256
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:32,160
values do go up.

3257
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:32,710
>> Correct.

3258
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:32,720
» Correct.

3259
02:30:32,720 --> 02:30:35,910
>> Things happen. Just depends on what the

3260
02:30:35,910 --> 02:30:35,920
» Things happen. Just depends on what the

3261
02:30:35,920 --> 02:30:37,520
county appraisal district decides.

3262
02:30:37,520 --> 02:30:39,030
>> And I'd also like to mention that the

3263
02:30:39,030 --> 02:30:39,040
» And I'd also like to mention that the

3264
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:42,640
the final hearing to ratify our property

3265
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:46,720
tax rate will be Monday, September 8th

3266
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:51,040
at 6 PM in our council chambers.

3267
02:30:51,040 --> 02:30:52,800
Tuesday. Tuesday.

3268
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:55,030
>> Well, I appreciate that because I mean,

3269
02:30:55,030 --> 02:30:55,040
» Well, I appreciate that because I mean,

3270
02:30:55,040 --> 02:30:57,680
as Mr. Danny Hudson said, Facebook

3271
02:30:57,680 --> 02:30:59,680
warriors like to come out and tell

3272
02:30:59,680 --> 02:31:03,280
everybody how that we raise taxes and I

3273
02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:05,040
want to make sure everybody knows

3274
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:07,760
publicly that we did not raise taxes.

3275
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:10,240
Harris County Appraisal Tax.

3276
02:31:10,240 --> 02:31:12,389
>> That is correct. That is correct.

3277
02:31:12,389 --> 02:31:12,399
» That is correct. That is correct.

3278
02:31:12,399 --> 02:31:14,389
>> Thank you, sir. Do Do you happen to know

3279
02:31:14,389 --> 02:31:14,399
» Thank you, sir. Do Do you happen to know

3280
02:31:14,399 --> 02:31:16,560
the amount of properties coming on the

3281
02:31:16,560 --> 02:31:19,120
tax roll for the first time for next

3282
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:20,160
year?

3283
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:23,200
I believe it was a um hundred and

3284
02:31:23,200 --> 02:31:24,960
something million dollars. Yeah. I don't

3285
02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:29,670
know.

3286
02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:31,680
But council woman, you have anything to

3287
02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:32,720
add?

3288
02:31:32,720 --> 02:31:35,349
>> Anything else?

3289
02:31:35,349 --> 02:31:35,359
» Anything else?

3290
02:31:35,359 --> 02:31:44,790
>> Let's call for the vote.

3291
02:31:44,800 --> 02:31:47,200
» Motion carries 5-0.

3292
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:51,750
Next item, adopt.155156

3293
02:31:51,760 --> 02:31:55,439
as the portion of the 2026 tax rate to

3294
02:31:55,439 --> 02:31:58,560
fund the interest and syncing fund which

3295
02:31:58,560 --> 02:32:00,640
is known as a debt service for the

3296
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:03,120
fiscal year 2026

3297
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:05,040
2027.

3298
02:32:05,040 --> 02:32:05,840
Yes sir.

3299
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:09,429
>> This is the portion of said tax rate

3300
02:32:09,429 --> 02:32:09,439
» This is the portion of said tax rate

3301
02:32:09,439 --> 02:32:11,840
of.34

3302
02:32:11,840 --> 02:32:14,720
um that is allocated only toward debt

3303
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:16,720
service. It's the only reason that we

3304
02:32:16,720 --> 02:32:18,399
can that's the only purpose that we can

3305
02:32:18,399 --> 02:32:21,280
use these funds for. And so um this is

3306
02:32:21,280 --> 02:32:23,280
just the adoption of that rate for our

3307
02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:27,280
debt service payments. Okay. Is there a

3308
02:32:27,280 --> 02:32:29,920
motion to adopt.155156

3309
02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:32,560
of the portion of the 2026 tax rate to

3310
02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:35,439
fund the interest and syncing fund for

3311
02:32:35,439 --> 02:32:37,840
fiscal year 2026

3312
02:32:37,840 --> 02:32:40,240
2027?

3313
02:32:40,240 --> 02:32:42,469
>> Motion.

3314
02:32:42,469 --> 02:32:42,479
» Motion.

3315
02:32:42,479 --> 02:32:43,439
Second

3316
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:46,870
>> discussion.

3317
02:32:46,880 --> 02:32:50,080
There's no discussions necessary.

3318
02:32:50,080 --> 02:33:00,389
Call for the vote.

3319
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:03,040
Motion passes 50.

3320
02:33:03,040 --> 02:33:05,920
Thank you. Next item. adopt

3321
02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:10,080
185784 as the portion of the 2026 tax

3322
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:12,479
rate to fund the maintenance and

3323
02:33:12,479 --> 02:33:16,000
operation the M fund for fiscal year

3324
02:33:16,000 --> 02:33:17,520
2026

3325
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:19,200
2027

3326
02:33:19,200 --> 02:33:21,830
>> and this is the portion of the tax rate

3327
02:33:21,830 --> 02:33:21,840
» and this is the portion of the tax rate

3328
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:23,760
that will be used for maintenance and

3329
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:27,040
operation of the city funds and spending

3330
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:28,960
and whatever we need within our general

3331
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:31,520
fund. These two rates together, the debt

3332
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:34,000
rate in this will equal do equal our

3333
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:35,760
340940

3334
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:38,880
rate that the citizens will see on their

3335
02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:40,880
tax bills.

3336
02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:43,750
>> Thank you. Is there a motion to adopt

3337
02:33:43,750 --> 02:33:43,760
» Thank you. Is there a motion to adopt

3338
02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:47,840
185784 as the portion of the 2026 tax

3339
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:50,160
rate to fund the maintenance and

3340
02:33:50,160 --> 02:33:53,760
operation fund for fiscal year 2026

3341
02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:57,190
2027?

3342
02:33:57,200 --> 02:33:59,120
» Motion.

3343
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:00,479
Second

3344
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:04,950
>> discussion.

3345
02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:06,800
This is the just for clarification

3346
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:08,800
purposes. This is the part of the tax

3347
02:34:08,800 --> 02:34:11,920
rate that is affected by the our tax

3348
02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:14,080
rate. I mean the sinking fund is that

3349
02:34:14,080 --> 02:34:15,760
debt is whatever it is. Correct.

3350
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:17,600
Correct. That rate. So we can't move

3351
02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:18,160
anything on.

3352
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:20,630
>> Yes. The we we resubmit uh all the

3353
02:34:20,630 --> 02:34:20,640
» Yes. The we we resubmit uh all the

3354
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:22,720
information to the county and they

3355
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:24,640
actually calculate what our debt rate

3356
02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:28,000
is. And in this case, the debt rate

3357
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:30,800
calculated to 1.55.

3358
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:32,560
We knew we wanted, we tried, we built

3359
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:35,520
our budget around the 34 rate. And so

3360
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:37,680
our M rate actually just came in the

3361
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:39,040
difference between that and what the

3362
02:34:39,040 --> 02:34:39,840
debt rate is.

3363
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:43,830
>> Okay. Thank you. Any any questions?

3364
02:34:43,830 --> 02:34:43,840
» Okay. Thank you. Any any questions?

3365
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:52,309
>> No. Call for the vote.

3366
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:54,160
» Motion carries 5.

3367
02:34:54,160 --> 02:34:56,870
>> Okay. Next item, conduct a public

3368
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:56,880
» Okay. Next item, conduct a public

3369
02:34:56,880 --> 02:34:59,760
hearing regarding the proposal 2026 tax

3370
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:03,270
rate of.34940

3371
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:06,479
per $100 assessed value for the city of

3372
02:35:06,479 --> 02:35:08,960
comball, Texas.

3373
02:35:08,960 --> 02:35:10,950
>> And this is just the public hearing

3374
02:35:10,950 --> 02:35:10,960
» And this is just the public hearing

3375
02:35:10,960 --> 02:35:14,319
portion of the adoption of our tax rate.

3376
02:35:14,319 --> 02:35:16,720
So, um I guess you'll need to open up

3377
02:35:16,720 --> 02:35:20,240
the the floor as a public hearing.

3378
02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:24,309
>> Yeah. The time now is 7:14 p.m. We will

3379
02:35:24,309 --> 02:35:24,319
» Yeah. The time now is 7:14 p.m. We will

3380
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:27,600
we will open public hearing

3381
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:29,030
>> and mayor proton we don't have anyone

3382
02:35:29,030 --> 02:35:29,040
» and mayor proton we don't have anyone

3383
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:30,479
pre-signed yet.

3384
02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:33,670
>> So it is now 74

3385
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:33,680
» So it is now 74

3386
02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:36,240
and a half p.m. and we will close the

3387
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:39,590
public hearing.

3388
02:35:39,600 --> 02:35:42,880
No action will be taken.

3389
02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:45,120
Shen, can you check Zoom to make sure

3390
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:52,469
that the audience can see the screen?

3391
02:35:52,479 --> 02:35:56,469
Can I move forward?

3392
02:35:56,479 --> 02:35:59,680
Sh my hand.

3393
02:35:59,680 --> 02:36:03,270
>> Okay. Okay. Next item. Adopt on reading

3394
02:36:03,270 --> 02:36:03,280
» Okay. Okay. Next item. Adopt on reading

3395
02:36:03,280 --> 02:36:06,800
ordinance number 2026-35

3396
02:36:06,800 --> 02:36:08,800
an ordinance of the city of Tombal,

3397
02:36:08,800 --> 02:36:13,200
Texas setting the tax levy of 340940

3398
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:16,160
per $100 of value assessed for the year

3399
02:36:16,160 --> 02:36:17,680
2026

3400
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:20,240
on all taxable real and personal

3401
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:24,160
property located in the city of Tomball,

3402
02:36:24,160 --> 02:36:26,319
Texas. Providing for penalties,

3403
02:36:26,319 --> 02:36:28,399
interest, and additional penalties on

3404
02:36:28,399 --> 02:36:31,680
taxes not timely paid. and providing

3405
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:35,680
other matters related to the subject.

3406
02:36:35,680 --> 02:36:37,429
>> Yes, this is the ordinance that actually

3407
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:37,439
» Yes, this is the ordinance that actually

3408
02:36:37,439 --> 02:36:42,080
adopts our property tax rate um for next

3409
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:44,319
year and there is a motion that I

3410
02:36:44,319 --> 02:36:46,960
provided that could please be read into

3411
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:49,439
the uh minutes so that uh that motion

3412
02:36:49,439 --> 02:36:52,000
can be passed.

3413
02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:55,120
I move that the property tax rate of

3414
02:36:55,120 --> 02:36:57,040
340940

3415
02:36:57,040 --> 02:37:00,240
be adopted for fiscal year 2027 which is

3416
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:02,080
equal to the tax rate approved for last

3417
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:03,520
year.

3418
02:37:03,520 --> 02:37:07,110
>> Second

3419
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:08,560
» discussion.

3420
02:37:08,560 --> 02:37:11,429
>> I'd like to thank the city manager and

3421
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:11,439
» I'd like to thank the city manager and

3422
02:37:11,439 --> 02:37:15,359
all the department heads for doing this.

3423
02:37:15,359 --> 02:37:16,960
We know y'all had to sharpen your

3424
02:37:16,960 --> 02:37:19,280
pencils to keep it cut away. Thank you,

3425
02:37:19,280 --> 02:37:22,720
David. I mean, I know we ask you to do

3426
02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:24,399
it, but it's hard to do.

3427
02:37:24,399 --> 02:37:25,429
>> Yeah. No, absolutely.

3428
02:37:25,429 --> 02:37:25,439
» Yeah. No, absolutely.

3429
02:37:25,439 --> 02:37:28,790
>> We spent hours,

3430
02:37:28,790 --> 02:37:28,800
» We spent hours,

3431
02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:31,840
months, hours at time. Thank you guys

3432
02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:33,280
for all you did.

3433
02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:35,590
>> Yeah. The citizens don't realize how

3434
02:37:35,590 --> 02:37:35,600
» Yeah. The citizens don't realize how

3435
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:38,720
complicated it is to keep it flat.

3436
02:37:38,720 --> 02:37:42,710
>> David's got some gray hair now

3437
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:42,720
» David's got some gray hair now

3438
02:37:42,720 --> 02:37:45,510
>> and a couple of them have no hair.

3439
02:37:45,510 --> 02:37:45,520
» and a couple of them have no hair.

3440
02:37:45,520 --> 02:37:47,429
>> Thank you to the council.

3441
02:37:47,429 --> 02:37:47,439
» Thank you to the council.

3442
02:37:47,439 --> 02:37:50,080
The main focus the infrastructure drain

3443
02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:53,910
energy waste water.

3444
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:58,309
» Very good.

3445
02:37:58,319 --> 02:38:03,349
» Let's call for the vote.

3446
02:38:03,359 --> 02:38:06,319
» Of course I did.

3447
02:38:06,319 --> 02:38:08,309
>> Motion carries 5.

3448
02:38:08,309 --> 02:38:08,319
» Motion carries 5.

3449
02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:09,750
>> Okay.

3450
02:38:09,750 --> 02:38:09,760
» Okay.

3451
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:11,670
>> Next item. Adopt on first reading

3452
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:11,680
» Next item. Adopt on first reading

3453
02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:14,479
ordinance number 2026-37

3454
02:38:14,479 --> 02:38:16,319
an ordinance of the city of Tombal,

3455
02:38:16,319 --> 02:38:20,319
Texas, amending chapter 46, article 4 of

3456
02:38:20,319 --> 02:38:22,720
the city of Tombball code of ordinance

3457
02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:25,040
to establish conservation and reuse

3458
02:38:25,040 --> 02:38:27,040
credits of water and wastewater impact

3459
02:38:27,040 --> 02:38:31,200
fees as authorized by chapter 395 of the

3460
02:38:31,200 --> 02:38:33,600
Texas local government code. providing

3461
02:38:33,600 --> 02:38:35,840
for severability, making findings of

3462
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:38,000
facts, providing for enforcement,

3463
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:39,520
providing an effective date, and

3464
02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:43,040
providing for other related manner. Miss

3465
02:38:43,040 --> 02:38:44,560
Draftman.

3466
02:38:44,560 --> 02:38:45,910
>> Oh, it's mine, but that's okay.

3467
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:45,920
» Oh, it's mine, but that's okay.

3468
02:38:45,920 --> 02:38:47,110
>> Oh, sorry.

3469
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:47,120
» Oh, sorry.

3470
02:38:47,120 --> 02:38:48,870
>> Uh, this ordinance is just implementing

3471
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:48,880
» Uh, this ordinance is just implementing

3472
02:38:48,880 --> 02:38:51,040
the requirements of Senate Bill 14 that

3473
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:52,880
was enacted during the 89th Texas

3474
02:38:52,880 --> 02:38:56,479
legislation in 2025. Um, so this is just

3475
02:38:56,479 --> 02:38:58,399
kind of finishing up the impact ves and

3476
02:38:58,399 --> 02:38:59,520
how we're going to adopt them,

3477
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:00,800
especially since we're heading into our

3478
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:02,800
impact v update. Um the proposed

3479
02:39:02,800 --> 02:39:04,319
ordinance will just establish any

3480
02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:06,640
eligibility criteria um application

3481
02:39:06,640 --> 02:39:08,080
requirements and the methodology for

3482
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:09,840
calculating any credits that would be

3483
02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:12,479
due for reuse.

3484
02:39:12,479 --> 02:39:14,950
>> Thank you.

3485
02:39:14,950 --> 02:39:14,960
» Thank you.

3486
02:39:14,960 --> 02:39:17,270
>> Is there a motion to adopt ordinance

3487
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:17,280
» Is there a motion to adopt ordinance

3488
02:39:17,280 --> 02:39:20,080
2026-37?

3489
02:39:20,080 --> 02:39:21,990
>> Motion second.

3490
02:39:21,990 --> 02:39:22,000
» Motion second.

3491
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:25,030
>> Discussion.

3492
02:39:25,040 --> 02:39:36,950
Let's call for the vote.

3493
02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:38,319
Motion carries 5-0.

3494
02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:40,550
>> Council, I did want to just say thank

3495
02:39:40,550 --> 02:39:40,560
» Council, I did want to just say thank

3496
02:39:40,560 --> 02:39:43,359
you for uh passing that ordinance. We

3497
02:39:43,359 --> 02:39:45,200
Tomball always likes to set the example

3498
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:47,040
and so we've set the example for our

3499
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:48,560
surrounding areas. We are one of the

3500
02:39:48,560 --> 02:39:50,240
first ones in the area to now have an

3501
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:52,319
ordinance on reuse credits. So now we

3502
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:54,240
will be an example for all surrounding

3503
02:39:54,240 --> 02:39:54,880
areas.

3504
02:39:54,880 --> 02:39:56,309
>> Awesome. Thank you.

3505
02:39:56,309 --> 02:39:56,319
» Awesome. Thank you.

3506
02:39:56,319 --> 02:39:57,910
>> Thank you for bringing that to us. I was

3507
02:39:57,910 --> 02:39:57,920
» Thank you for bringing that to us. I was

3508
02:39:57,920 --> 02:39:59,760
excited when I was reading about this

3509
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:00,560
last week.

3510
02:40:00,560 --> 02:40:01,910
>> Yeah.

3511
02:40:01,910 --> 02:40:01,920
» Yeah.

3512
02:40:01,920 --> 02:40:05,990
>> All about reuse and conservation.

3513
02:40:05,990 --> 02:40:06,000
» All about reuse and conservation.

3514
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:08,630
>> Awesome. Thank you so much. Next item.

3515
02:40:08,630 --> 02:40:08,640
» Awesome. Thank you so much. Next item.

3516
02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:10,160
Adopt on first reading ordinance

3517
02:40:10,160 --> 02:40:11,920
2026-38.

3518
02:40:11,920 --> 02:40:14,000
An ordinance of the city of Tombal,

3519
02:40:14,000 --> 02:40:18,240
Texas aiming chapter 46.

3520
02:40:18,240 --> 02:40:19,920
Drew, is this your item? You want to

3521
02:40:19,920 --> 02:40:22,479
expand on it? Fine. Or you rather than

3522
02:40:22,479 --> 02:40:23,760
say it all, let me

3523
02:40:23,760 --> 02:40:25,830
>> Yeah, it's fine. Um, this is just to

3524
02:40:25,830 --> 02:40:25,840
» Yeah, it's fine. Um, this is just to

3525
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:27,439
establish a policy for the city

3526
02:40:27,439 --> 02:40:29,280
participation in the cost of oversized

3527
02:40:29,280 --> 02:40:31,200
water and wastewater lines. So, when we

3528
02:40:31,200 --> 02:40:34,240
have a developer that comes to us and

3529
02:40:34,240 --> 02:40:35,760
they may be I'm just going to explain

3530
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:37,840
it. It's probably easier. Um, they may

3531
02:40:37,840 --> 02:40:39,920
have to install a 6-in line, but our

3532
02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:42,080
master plan says we need a 16inch line.

3533
02:40:42,080 --> 02:40:43,680
The city will pay for the pipe

3534
02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:45,359
difference. So, this is just putting

3535
02:40:45,359 --> 02:40:47,680
this the practice into policy so that we

3536
02:40:47,680 --> 02:40:49,760
have something to actually push out.

3537
02:40:49,760 --> 02:40:52,230
>> Gotcha. Is there a motion to adopt

3538
02:40:52,230 --> 02:40:52,240
» Gotcha. Is there a motion to adopt

3539
02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:55,920
ordinance number 2026-38?

3540
02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:58,870
>> Motion.

3541
02:40:58,870 --> 02:40:58,880
» Motion.

3542
02:40:58,880 --> 02:40:59,750
>> Second

3543
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:59,760
» Second

3544
02:40:59,760 --> 02:41:02,469
>> discussion

3545
02:41:02,469 --> 02:41:02,479
» discussion

3546
02:41:02,479 --> 02:41:04,640
to to to reiterate when I was reading

3547
02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:06,479
about this last week and I talked to

3548
02:41:06,479 --> 02:41:08,160
David about it. He really mentioned that

3549
02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:09,600
this is just kind of codifying what

3550
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:10,479
we're already doing.

3551
02:41:10,479 --> 02:41:11,510
>> Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I

3552
02:41:11,510 --> 02:41:11,520
» Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I

3553
02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:13,120
thought we were already doing this.

3554
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:14,150
>> Said that, but I was just

3555
02:41:14,150 --> 02:41:14,160
» Said that, but I was just

3556
02:41:14,160 --> 02:41:16,309
>> You approved one earlier for South

3557
02:41:16,309 --> 02:41:16,319
» You approved one earlier for South

3558
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:17,359
Pimmen

3559
02:41:17,359 --> 02:41:19,349
>> when we extended that sewer line. Then

3560
02:41:19,349 --> 02:41:19,359
» when we extended that sewer line. Then

3561
02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:21,200
we required an eight, but we required a

3562
02:41:21,200 --> 02:41:23,120
16 due to the master plan. So we pay for

3563
02:41:23,120 --> 02:41:25,120
pipe material only. This really puts

3564
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:28,640
everything in writing and so

3565
02:41:28,640 --> 02:41:29,280
we're

3566
02:41:29,280 --> 02:41:31,429
>> catching up to it to us is what you're

3567
02:41:31,429 --> 02:41:31,439
» catching up to it to us is what you're

3568
02:41:31,439 --> 02:41:31,840
saying.

3569
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:33,110
>> No, we'll still come to you with those

3570
02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:33,120
» No, we'll still come to you with those

3571
02:41:33,120 --> 02:41:34,800
development agreements, but this now

3572
02:41:34,800 --> 02:41:36,479
puts it in writing to where if a

3573
02:41:36,479 --> 02:41:38,399
developer comes to us and says, "Well,

3574
02:41:38,399 --> 02:41:40,240
what's the rule?" We can immediately

3575
02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:41,120
hand them the rule.

3576
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:42,469
>> Oh, okay.

3577
02:41:42,469 --> 02:41:42,479
» Oh, okay.

3578
02:41:42,479 --> 02:41:44,389
>> Okay, that makes sense.

3579
02:41:44,389 --> 02:41:44,399
» Okay, that makes sense.

3580
02:41:44,399 --> 02:41:46,309
>> No more argument. Find out what find out

3581
02:41:46,309 --> 02:41:46,319
» No more argument. Find out what find out

3582
02:41:46,319 --> 02:41:47,520
what size pipe you're going to use

3583
02:41:47,520 --> 02:41:50,880
before you hand them the rule.

3584
02:41:50,880 --> 02:41:52,630
>> That's all done by engineering

3585
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:52,640
» That's all done by engineering

3586
02:41:52,640 --> 02:41:54,800
calculations. So they they can't fit

3587
02:41:54,800 --> 02:41:56,640
they can't stretch the numbers too much

3588
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:58,800
on that. So

3589
02:41:58,800 --> 02:42:07,190
>> good. Let's call for the vote.

3590
02:42:07,200 --> 02:42:10,000
» Motion carries 5.

3591
02:42:10,000 --> 02:42:11,520
Thank you. The next item is to approve

3592
02:42:11,520 --> 02:42:14,240
the expenditure greater than $100,000

3593
02:42:14,240 --> 02:42:16,960
with Axiom Enterprise, Inc. for the

3594
02:42:16,960 --> 02:42:19,359
annual renewal contract. The contract

3595
02:42:19,359 --> 02:42:23,520
starts October 2026 and runs through

3596
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:25,280
2030.

3597
02:42:25,280 --> 02:42:28,800
Chief Davis, can you add to it?

3598
02:42:28,800 --> 02:42:30,630
>> Yes. This right here is just our annual

3599
02:42:30,630 --> 02:42:30,640
» Yes. This right here is just our annual

3600
02:42:30,640 --> 02:42:32,560
renewal for this. It's actually a

3601
02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:34,240
five-year contract where we that we're

3602
02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:36,399
doing for five years. By doing this, let

3603
02:42:36,399 --> 02:42:38,240
me explain what a Axon is if anybody

3604
02:42:38,240 --> 02:42:40,319
don't know. It's our body cam

3605
02:42:40,319 --> 02:42:42,790
>> and our dash cam and to use this so we

3606
02:42:42,790 --> 02:42:42,800
» and our dash cam and to use this so we

3607
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:44,560
can be uh totally transparent to the

3608
02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:47,280
public. Uh this this also helps us with

3609
02:42:47,280 --> 02:42:49,439
uh when our tasers are activated or when

3610
02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:51,439
our lights come on in our cars that body

3611
02:42:51,439 --> 02:42:53,280
cam automatically comes on. So it's set

3612
02:42:53,280 --> 02:42:55,200
to protect the police but also be

3613
02:42:55,200 --> 02:42:57,200
transparent with the public for what we

3614
02:42:57,200 --> 02:42:59,840
doing. And um they're pretty stable uh

3615
02:42:59,840 --> 02:43:01,920
body cams as well. I know some people

3616
02:43:01,920 --> 02:43:03,280
had some questions about why do we go to

3617
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:05,520
that but Axon for right now has been the

3618
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:07,040
number one thing that we've had across

3619
02:43:07,040 --> 02:43:09,680
the nation and also uh the stability of

3620
02:43:09,680 --> 02:43:11,359
it. When we first tried this for some

3621
02:43:11,359 --> 02:43:12,640
new companies when it first started

3622
02:43:12,640 --> 02:43:15,040
about six or seven years ago if somebody

3623
02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:17,040
hit me my body cam went flying this way

3624
02:43:17,040 --> 02:43:18,640
and nobody could tell what really

3625
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:20,560
happened. Did did at the time Sergeant

3626
02:43:20,560 --> 02:43:22,319
Davis beat somebody up or did he really

3627
02:43:22,319 --> 02:43:26,160
knock it off? But we have a new um we

3628
02:43:26,160 --> 02:43:28,319
have like a lot of new uh technology. So

3629
02:43:28,319 --> 02:43:29,760
let me explain one technology to this

3630
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:31,439
that that we love and then just talk

3631
02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:33,840
about it. We also have on this body

3632
02:43:33,840 --> 02:43:36,479
camera now we have translation. So if I

3633
02:43:36,479 --> 02:43:38,160
need to speak to someone say I'm

3634
02:43:38,160 --> 02:43:39,359
speaking in Spanish and we need to

3635
02:43:39,359 --> 02:43:40,960
translate and I can't speak uh I can't

3636
02:43:40,960 --> 02:43:42,640
speak the language it has translation on

3637
02:43:42,640 --> 02:43:44,080
the body cam itself.

3638
02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:44,550
>> Oh wow.

3639
02:43:44,550 --> 02:43:44,560
» Oh wow.

3640
02:43:44,560 --> 02:43:46,710
>> Yeah. And it has over 50 languages to it

3641
02:43:46,710 --> 02:43:46,720
» Yeah. And it has over 50 languages to it

3642
02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:48,240
and so we can have translation between

3643
02:43:48,240 --> 02:43:50,080
that and the so I can speak it turn it

3644
02:43:50,080 --> 02:43:52,399
on. So I believe it's it's it's money

3645
02:43:52,399 --> 02:43:54,479
well spent um and what we doing and

3646
02:43:54,479 --> 02:43:56,720
everything else. So that's uh and it

3647
02:43:56,720 --> 02:43:58,479
also what it also does that I really

3648
02:43:58,479 --> 02:44:00,240
love about it as being the chief is that

3649
02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:02,560
when all any of our officers are down or

3650
02:44:02,560 --> 02:44:05,120
we can't respond to them on the radio uh

3651
02:44:05,120 --> 02:44:07,680
we can we can zoom in into that camera

3652
02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:09,279
and we can zoom into the dash camera and

3653
02:44:09,279 --> 02:44:10,720
if not they're not responding we have an

3654
02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:12,319
officer down we can actually look at

3655
02:44:12,319 --> 02:44:14,080
live feed and see where our officer at

3656
02:44:14,080 --> 02:44:15,279
because they're not answering the radio.

3657
02:44:15,279 --> 02:44:17,439
So this is why we want to renew this

3658
02:44:17,439 --> 02:44:17,920
contract.

3659
02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:19,670
>> Let me do this. Is there a motion to

3660
02:44:19,670 --> 02:44:19,680
» Let me do this. Is there a motion to

3661
02:44:19,680 --> 02:44:21,200
approve the expenditure greater than

3662
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:24,319
$100,000 with Axim Enterprise for annual

3663
02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:26,319
review renewal contract?

3664
02:44:26,319 --> 02:44:27,349
>> So moved.

3665
02:44:27,349 --> 02:44:27,359
» So moved.

3666
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:28,230
>> Second.

3667
02:44:28,230 --> 02:44:28,240
» Second.

3668
02:44:28,240 --> 02:44:33,830
>> Okay, let's continue our discussion. Um,

3669
02:44:33,840 --> 02:44:37,359
» so you can speak English and it can

3670
02:44:37,359 --> 02:44:39,200
speak Chinese to you.

3671
02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:40,469
>> You want to demonstrate? We we brought

3672
02:44:40,469 --> 02:44:40,479
» You want to demonstrate? We we brought

3673
02:44:40,479 --> 02:44:42,080
just in case you want to de demonstrate.

3674
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:43,680
We want we just we anticipated if y'all

3675
02:44:43,680 --> 02:44:46,000
wanted to see it.

3676
02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:47,110
>> That's cool.

3677
02:44:47,110 --> 02:44:47,120
» That's cool.

3678
02:44:47,120 --> 02:44:49,510
>> Huh? Yeah, I can speak Spanish.

3679
02:44:49,510 --> 02:44:49,520
» Huh? Yeah, I can speak Spanish.

3680
02:44:49,520 --> 02:44:50,150
>> Okay.

3681
02:44:50,150 --> 02:44:50,160
» Okay.

3682
02:44:50,160 --> 02:44:51,750
>> You want me to say something to you?

3683
02:44:51,750 --> 02:44:51,760
» You want me to say something to you?

3684
02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:54,469
>> I'll get started.

3685
02:44:54,469 --> 02:44:54,479
» I'll get started.

3686
02:44:54,479 --> 02:44:56,950
>> Okay.

3687
02:44:56,950 --> 02:44:56,960
» Okay.

3688
02:44:56,960 --> 02:44:58,309
>> We just want to get you on camera.

3689
02:44:58,309 --> 02:44:58,319
» We just want to get you on camera.

3690
02:44:58,319 --> 02:45:00,389
>> Yeah.

3691
02:45:00,389 --> 02:45:00,399
» Yeah.

3692
02:45:00,399 --> 02:45:03,349
>> Let me get in here.

3693
02:45:03,349 --> 02:45:03,359
» Let me get in here.

3694
02:45:03,359 --> 02:45:06,469
>> Speed around. Hookie move.

3695
02:45:06,469 --> 02:45:06,479
» Speed around. Hookie move.

3696
02:45:06,479 --> 02:45:10,630
>> Translate to Spanish.

3697
02:45:10,640 --> 02:45:11,760
» Spanish.

3698
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:14,550
>> That mic.

3699
02:45:14,550 --> 02:45:14,560
» That mic.

3700
02:45:14,560 --> 02:45:17,030
>> How you doing tonight?

3701
02:45:17,030 --> 02:45:17,040
» How you doing tonight?

3702
02:45:17,040 --> 02:45:34,630
>> Hold on.

3703
02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:37,120
Oh, how are you? Why are you stopping

3704
02:45:37,120 --> 02:45:39,920
me? What happened?

3705
02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:41,910
>> What happened? Why did you stop him?

3706
02:45:41,910 --> 02:45:41,920
» What happened? Why did you stop him?

3707
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:44,560
What happened?

3708
02:45:44,560 --> 02:45:47,920
Did it get in? Oh,

3709
02:45:47,920 --> 02:45:48,790
>> I talk now.

3710
02:45:48,790 --> 02:45:48,800
» I talk now.

3711
02:45:48,800 --> 02:45:50,870
>> Oh, come on. It's going to translate the

3712
02:45:50,870 --> 02:45:50,880
» Oh, come on. It's going to translate the

3713
02:45:50,880 --> 02:45:55,269
Spanish.

3714
02:45:55,279 --> 02:45:56,880
» Once you hear the beeping, you can talk.

3715
02:45:56,880 --> 02:45:58,160
Ready?

3716
02:45:58,160 --> 02:46:09,510
>> Yes. Goes off the language hears.

3717
02:46:09,520 --> 02:46:11,439
» What are we going to do? Are you going

3718
02:46:11,439 --> 02:46:18,950
to I have money for you.

3719
02:46:18,960 --> 02:46:21,520
» Thank you.

3720
02:46:21,520 --> 02:46:25,269
>> That's really cool. That's awesome.

3721
02:46:25,269 --> 02:46:25,279
» That's really cool. That's awesome.

3722
02:46:25,279 --> 02:46:29,830
>> That's pretty cool.

3723
02:46:29,840 --> 02:46:31,200
» That's pretty cool.

3724
02:46:31,200 --> 02:46:33,269
>> That is great.

3725
02:46:33,269 --> 02:46:33,279
» That is great.

3726
02:46:33,279 --> 02:46:34,710
>> Just another part of the tools that we

3727
02:46:34,710 --> 02:46:34,720
» Just another part of the tools that we

3728
02:46:34,720 --> 02:46:36,960
use for the job that we have with 50

3729
02:46:36,960 --> 02:46:38,319
different languages, but we just tried

3730
02:46:38,319 --> 02:46:40,399
one. So that's why we need this contract

3731
02:46:40,399 --> 02:46:42,479
renewed for 5 years. Also, I want to say

3732
02:46:42,479 --> 02:46:44,240
by renewing this for the five years,

3733
02:46:44,240 --> 02:46:47,040
we're saving $59,000 with Axon as well

3734
02:46:47,040 --> 02:46:49,200
by doing it. And that's a savings of

3735
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:51,359
$59,000 additional that we're saving

3736
02:46:51,359 --> 02:46:51,920
with this

3737
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:53,190
>> instead of going year to year.

3738
02:46:53,190 --> 02:46:53,200
» instead of going year to year.

3739
02:46:53,200 --> 02:46:54,630
>> Yes, sir.

3740
02:46:54,630 --> 02:46:54,640
» Yes, sir.

3741
02:46:54,640 --> 02:46:55,349
>> Fantastic.

3742
02:46:55,349 --> 02:46:55,359
» Fantastic.

3743
02:46:55,359 --> 02:46:59,990
>> Thank you.

3744
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:01,680
» Councilman, can I add one more thing?

3745
02:47:01,680 --> 02:47:04,309
>> Yes, sir. With that being said, also

3746
02:47:04,309 --> 02:47:04,319
» Yes, sir. With that being said, also

3747
02:47:04,319 --> 02:47:06,640
within there, everything, all of our

3748
02:47:06,640 --> 02:47:10,160
equipment gets renewed when the lifespan

3749
02:47:10,160 --> 02:47:13,439
ends within that contract. So, if they

3750
02:47:13,439 --> 02:47:16,160
come out with a new camera tomorrow,

3751
02:47:16,160 --> 02:47:18,160
they upgrade us across the board with

3752
02:47:18,160 --> 02:47:19,600
the latest and greatest stuff. That's

3753
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:22,399
the same contract we had before, sir.

3754
02:47:22,399 --> 02:47:24,960
So, thank you.

3755
02:47:24,960 --> 02:47:27,990
>> Any other questions?

3756
02:47:27,990 --> 02:47:28,000
» Any other questions?

3757
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:36,389
Call for the vote.

3758
02:47:36,399 --> 02:47:39,040
Motion carries 5.

3759
02:47:39,040 --> 02:47:41,910
>> Next item, consideration of an action of

3760
02:47:41,910 --> 02:47:41,920
» Next item, consideration of an action of

3761
02:47:41,920 --> 02:47:44,240
ordinance 2026-39,

3762
02:47:44,240 --> 02:47:46,560
an ordinance of the city of council of

3763
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:48,720
the city of Tombball, Texas, amending

3764
02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:52,319
chapter 32, settlers and solicitors, and

3765
02:47:52,319 --> 02:47:55,279
chapter 48, vehicle for hire of the code

3766
02:47:55,279 --> 02:47:57,040
of ordinance of the city of Tombball,

3767
02:47:57,040 --> 02:48:00,880
amending article 2, chapter 32.

3768
02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:02,880
Mr. Harris, can you elaborate more on

3769
02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:03,359
this?

3770
02:48:03,359 --> 02:48:05,110
>> Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Uh, just a

3771
02:48:05,110 --> 02:48:05,120
» Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Uh, just a

3772
02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:07,359
brief overview. Um, so the purpose of

3773
02:48:07,359 --> 02:48:10,720
this particular um um ordinance before

3774
02:48:10,720 --> 02:48:13,200
you on first reading is to align our

3775
02:48:13,200 --> 02:48:16,319
city code with uh state statutes um

3776
02:48:16,319 --> 02:48:18,240
particularly local government code uh

3777
02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:22,240
chapter uh 411 section 122.

3778
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:24,319
um and to also standardize some

3779
02:48:24,319 --> 02:48:28,240
licensing terminology um and then an

3780
02:48:28,240 --> 02:48:30,319
effort to improve efficiencies uh

3781
02:48:30,319 --> 02:48:32,880
eliminating uh certain redundancies. So

3782
02:48:32,880 --> 02:48:36,479
under chapter 32 um in order to come in

3783
02:48:36,479 --> 02:48:38,560
line with uh what the state code

3784
02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:40,960
basically says is that uh in order to

3785
02:48:40,960 --> 02:48:42,319
conduct the type of background checks

3786
02:48:42,319 --> 02:48:44,000
that we conduct which is the fingerprint

3787
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:46,800
licensing uh for a peddler or vendor's

3788
02:48:46,800 --> 02:48:50,000
permit. Um basically the terminology the

3789
02:48:50,000 --> 02:48:52,720
the needs to change to where it's for a

3790
02:48:52,720 --> 02:48:55,520
license that only the city can issue. Um

3791
02:48:55,520 --> 02:48:59,359
and so there's no standardized uh uh uh

3792
02:48:59,359 --> 02:49:00,960
you know permit that they can they can

3793
02:49:00,960 --> 02:49:02,479
get from or license that they can get

3794
02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:04,479
from the state since this is a local

3795
02:49:04,479 --> 02:49:06,160
regulation. So in order to come

3796
02:49:06,160 --> 02:49:07,600
compliant with that aspect of the

3797
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:10,000
government code um if council would like

3798
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:12,160
to uh for staff to continue to do the

3799
02:49:12,160 --> 02:49:15,520
fingerprint uh background checks um then

3800
02:49:15,520 --> 02:49:17,920
our code needs to to be modified under

3801
02:49:17,920 --> 02:49:20,640
chapter 32 for peddlers and vendors um

3802
02:49:20,640 --> 02:49:23,120
changing it from a permit to an actual

3803
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:26,399
uh license. So this way um when we go

3804
02:49:26,399 --> 02:49:28,319
into the system we can still do the the

3805
02:49:28,319 --> 02:49:30,479
background checks with DPS that gives a

3806
02:49:30,479 --> 02:49:31,760
full background check which also

3807
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:34,960
includes uh a search of the FBI uh uh

3808
02:49:34,960 --> 02:49:37,439
database.

3809
02:49:37,439 --> 02:49:42,319
Um for the chapter 48 uh what what uh uh

3810
02:49:42,319 --> 02:49:45,439
staff is suggesting is uh actual removal

3811
02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:48,319
of the fingerprint uh for the tow truck

3812
02:49:48,319 --> 02:49:51,040
permits. Um because the the Texas

3813
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:52,960
Department of License and and Regulation

3814
02:49:52,960 --> 02:49:56,160
already does this. Um uh you know, tow

3815
02:49:56,160 --> 02:49:58,560
truck vendors have to get a TDLR uh

3816
02:49:58,560 --> 02:50:00,720
license and and through the state they

3817
02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:03,439
already do the uh background check. Um,

3818
02:50:03,439 --> 02:50:04,960
and so this would help streamline the

3819
02:50:04,960 --> 02:50:08,720
process for staff. Um, um, and and and

3820
02:50:08,720 --> 02:50:10,399
getting rid of the duplicate background

3821
02:50:10,399 --> 02:50:13,120
checks. Um, which would also eliminate

3822
02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:15,200
the duplicate fees that could possibly

3823
02:50:15,200 --> 02:50:17,600
be triggered from paying a state fee as

3824
02:50:17,600 --> 02:50:19,760
well as as local fee can increase

3825
02:50:19,760 --> 02:50:21,200
processing time and things of that

3826
02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:23,359
nature. And, you know, because part of

3827
02:50:23,359 --> 02:50:24,560
the application, they have to show proof

3828
02:50:24,560 --> 02:50:27,279
that they're licensed with TDLR. Um so

3829
02:50:27,279 --> 02:50:29,439
in summary um basically you know we're

3830
02:50:29,439 --> 02:50:31,439
just bringing some illegal alignment

3831
02:50:31,439 --> 02:50:33,359
especially with chapter 32 with what the

3832
02:50:33,359 --> 02:50:36,880
state code says about licensing um um

3833
02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:40,080
under the the um peddlers and vendors

3834
02:50:40,080 --> 02:50:42,640
permit um and then u eliminating the

3835
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:45,200
redundancy and having some um

3836
02:50:45,200 --> 02:50:47,040
operational efficiencies through that

3837
02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:49,200
under chapter 48 and then like said

3838
02:50:49,200 --> 02:50:51,439
clarifying some of the terminology. Um

3839
02:50:51,439 --> 02:50:53,760
so with that I'd be happy to answer any

3840
02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:56,319
questions you may have. Um, also brought

3841
02:50:56,319 --> 02:51:00,080
my lawyer so if he can too is she.

3842
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:02,309
>> Is there a motion to adopt ordinance

3843
02:51:02,309 --> 02:51:02,319
» Is there a motion to adopt ordinance

3844
02:51:02,319 --> 02:51:06,469
number 2026-39?

3845
02:51:06,479 --> 02:51:08,800
» Motion. Second

3846
02:51:08,800 --> 02:51:14,070
>> discussion.

3847
02:51:14,080 --> 02:51:23,990
No questions. We'll call for the vote.

3848
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:27,040
Motion carries 5.

3849
02:51:27,040 --> 02:51:29,269
>> Thank you. At this time, city council

3850
02:51:29,269 --> 02:51:29,279
» Thank you. At this time, city council

3851
02:51:29,279 --> 02:51:31,120
will meet in executive session as

3852
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:34,640
authorized by tit title 5, chapter 551,

3853
02:51:34,640 --> 02:51:37,760
government code, the Texas Open Meetings

3854
02:51:37,760 --> 02:51:40,399
Act, for the following purposes.

3855
02:51:40,399 --> 02:51:42,640
There will be no

3856
02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:45,359
action items upon our return. We will

3857
02:51:45,359 --> 02:51:52,309
merely rec adjourn.

3858
02:51:52,319 --> 02:51:53,600
You're welcome to stay.

3859
02:51:53,600 --> 02:51:56,309
>> Yeah. And you can stay if you want.

3860
02:51:56,309 --> 02:51:56,319
» Yeah. And you can stay if you want.

3861
02:51:56,319 --> 02:51:57,190
>> Oh,

3862
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:57,200
» Oh,

3863
02:51:57,200 --> 02:51:58,630
>> so we're now in recess. We're now in

3864
02:51:58,630 --> 02:51:58,640
» so we're now in recess. We're now in

3865
02:51:58,640 --> 02:51:59,680
recess. May prom.

3866
02:51:59,680 --> 03:12:43,590
>> Thank you.

3867
03:12:43,600 --> 03:12:47,279
The meeting is adjourned.

3868
03:12:47,279 --> 03:12:50,479
It becomes the first