[21:30] Is there anybody has not signed up that
[21:31] would like to speak? My apologies.
[21:35] >> No.
[21:38] » No.
[21:38] >> Okay. Thank you. We'll move on to the
[21:39] » Okay. Thank you. We'll move on to the
[21:39] next item. General discussion. The
[21:41] Tomball City Council and the city staff
[21:43] will enter enter into a workshop session
[21:46] to discuss the citywide compensation
[21:50] and benefit study.
[21:53] Miss Lewis, it's yours.
[21:55] >> Thank you, Mayor Pro Council. So, um
[21:59] » Thank you, Mayor Pro Council. So, um
[21:59] this evening we this item is to discuss
[22:01] where we are our findings with our
[22:04] compensation and benefit study. our
[22:07] primary consultant with McGrath Melena
[22:10] Hayes is here by Zoom to give us that
[22:13] overview.
[22:15] >> And good evening. Can everyone hear me?
[22:17] » And good evening. Can everyone hear me?
[22:17] Okay.
[22:21] » Yes, we can hear you.
[22:22] >> Excellent. Good evening. Um I do have a
[22:25] » Excellent. Good evening. Um I do have a
[22:25] slide deck um that I would like to
[22:28] share. Oh, there we go. Looks like we
[22:30] got that looks like we got that taken
[22:33] care of here. Let me just get my slide
[22:35] deck moved over. I'm going to keep this
[22:38] in Well, actually here. I apologize. Um,
[22:43] there we go.
[22:50] There we go. Sorry about that. My name
[22:52] is Melena Halbertson Mace. I am a senior
[22:54] consultant with McGrath human resources
[22:57] group and I am the primary project
[23:00] manager that has been uh working with
[23:02] the city for the last couple of months.
[23:04] And so I felt that it would be better
[23:07] for me to just uh give you a a couple
[23:10] slide decks just to walk through where
[23:13] we are at with this project because it
[23:15] is not uh it is not yet complete. But we
[23:19] wanted to give you uh give you an update
[23:21] and let you know everything uh that is
[23:25] still to come. Um so just to to dive
[23:29] right in when we work on compensation
[23:32] systems um what we have a very specific
[23:35] methodology that we will put into each
[23:39] of our projects. The first thing that we
[23:41] do is we meet with administration and
[23:44] human resources and we will meet with
[23:46] the leadership of each of the
[23:48] departments so that we can start to
[23:50] understand the organization, your goals,
[23:53] your needs, your challenges, things of
[23:56] that nature. And at very more
[23:58] importantly or not more importantly but
[24:00] equal importantly with the departments,
[24:02] we're actually talking with the
[24:03] departments about their operations and
[24:05] each of the positions and what those
[24:07] positions are responsible to do. So that
[24:10] when we do go out to the external
[24:12] market, we are making sure that we are
[24:14] collecting the relevant uh salary data
[24:17] so that we can do a meaningful
[24:19] comparison of of the city against the
[24:22] rest of your comparator comparator
[24:24] group. When we have all of that, then um
[24:28] as we're receiving that, then we're
[24:30] taking a look at your current
[24:31] compensation system, your job
[24:33] descriptions, your policies. How are you
[24:36] currently compensating? what does your
[24:38] system look like? We go out to the
[24:42] market um and we collect the minimum,
[24:44] the midpoint, and the maximum of the
[24:47] salary ranges for the comparable for the
[24:50] comparable positions. That helps us
[24:52] understand what your salary ranges are
[24:55] doing against the external markets
[24:58] salary ranges. And then we also take a
[25:00] look at incumbent rates of pay. Um,
[25:02] incumbent rate of pay sometimes tells a
[25:04] little bit of a different story where
[25:06] there may be a somewhat of a pressure in
[25:09] a very specific position and we might
[25:12] see that all of those incumbents are
[25:14] heading towards the maximum that that
[25:16] gives us an indication that the ranges
[25:18] might say one thing but actual wages are
[25:20] telling us something different. So we
[25:22] collect all of that and then we also
[25:24] will utilize the economic research
[25:27] institute otherwise called ERRI just so
[25:29] that we can get um an understanding of
[25:32] other regions along with the private the
[25:34] private sector. We also then asked for
[25:38] employees to complete what's called a
[25:40] position questionnaire in addition to
[25:42] the meetings that we had with your
[25:43] department directors to learn about
[25:45] about the positions and and having the
[25:47] job descriptions. We wanted to hear
[25:49] directly from the employees. Those
[25:52] employees, all of the information that
[25:54] they provided to us in terms of their
[25:56] responsibilities within their role was
[25:59] reviewed by their supervisors before it
[26:01] was provided back to McGrath so that we
[26:03] could adequately run a position uh
[26:06] analysis. And at this point, because our
[26:10] studies, they take several months. Um at
[26:12] that point when we got through that
[26:14] analysis what was determined was uh you
[26:18] know take the existing compensation
[26:21] system that the city has and updated
[26:24] against the external comparable market
[26:28] and then um and then we will continue to
[26:32] work um towards our probably our what I
[26:34] would consider our more long-term
[26:36] recommendations uh for you. So, what
[26:38] you're going to see here this evening
[26:40] are the the the recommendations um and
[26:44] then what we're hoping will be some
[26:46] future opportunities for the city.
[26:50] These are the the list of comparable
[26:52] organizations that we went out to
[26:54] collect uh market data. You will see
[26:56] it's a very comprehensive list from
[26:58] within uh your immediate region. And
[27:01] then um we also went out like I said to
[27:04] the economic research institute that
[27:06] allows us to receive information um on
[27:09] in the private sector and that it also
[27:11] lets us take a look at other areas
[27:13] within the Texas region if we wanted to
[27:15] compare what the Houston market is doing
[27:17] against say the San Antonio market or
[27:20] the Dallas market etc etc. So when we
[27:25] did that then what we did was we studied
[27:27] each of your positions that we were able
[27:30] to benchmark and a highlevel overview of
[27:33] our findings is listed here in a
[27:36] nutshell. Um I don't want to spend a lot
[27:39] of time talking about the the salary
[27:42] range minimums that percentages that you
[27:45] see on the screen. And the reason why um
[27:48] is because you this this really does go
[27:52] into what your salary how your structure
[27:56] is at this point. We're going to talk
[27:58] about that here in a in a future slide.
[28:01] But what I've done here for you is I've
[28:03] broken down um to give you a percentage
[28:06] highlevel look at the percentage of
[28:09] positions that are at a competitive
[28:12] market range. Those that are within 5%
[28:17] in most cases would still be considered
[28:19] market uh market competitive, but we
[28:21] really have to pay very very close
[28:23] attention to them because if the city
[28:24] doesn't take any action on them soon,
[28:27] they're going to slip in the market and
[28:29] they're going to lose their
[28:30] effectiveness. And then the bottom
[28:32] number is uh the percentage of positions
[28:35] that was greater than 5% from the market
[28:38] which would deem them to be too far away
[28:41] from our um from our findings to to
[28:44] consider to be to be market aligned. And
[28:47] what you're seeing here big picture is
[28:50] that the majority of the positions um
[28:54] are are um you know there's not any one
[28:57] particular area that that um is tell is
[29:00] is everything that the whole model
[29:02] itself is is um is out of market but you
[29:07] do have close to half of your positions
[29:09] that were found to be under the relative
[29:13] market. the other um you know the
[29:15] remaining other half of them they're
[29:18] doing okay. And so um you know that it
[29:21] really does um go into when when the
[29:24] city is not making economic adjustments
[29:28] to their to their salary ranges for a
[29:30] period of years, you're going to a
[29:32] little bit more quicker fall behind in
[29:34] the market. So when the city indicated
[29:36] to us that there actually has not been
[29:38] an economic adjustment on to the ranges
[29:41] even though the employees have received
[29:43] increases,
[29:45] these numbers are not necessarily
[29:47] surprising to me. And what that results
[29:50] then in is that not only do your ranges
[29:53] need to be adjusted, but there may be
[29:54] some additional positions within each of
[29:57] those paygrades that need to move to
[29:59] better uh to better reflect uh the
[30:02] external market. because the ultimate
[30:04] goal here is to make sure that your
[30:06] salary ranges are going to help benefit
[30:08] the city in terms of your retention and
[30:12] your recruitment.
[30:15] So with that then the other area that we
[30:18] started taking a look at is your
[30:20] demographics and how that relates to to
[30:24] you know where it is that we believe
[30:25] that the city needs to go. When we look
[30:28] at you overall as an organization,
[30:31] you your your your average tenure in the
[30:34] organization is not quite as high as the
[30:37] national average is. Um the national
[30:39] average is of for public sector is 6.4
[30:42] years and the city is at about 5.4 years
[30:47] which means you're not holding on to
[30:48] your human capital as long as uh as long
[30:52] as we would like. you have 59% of your
[30:56] employees that are under the age of 40.
[30:58] And this really is more where your risk
[31:01] area is because um the that is the
[31:05] workforce right now, that age group.
[31:07] They're the ones that tend to leave an
[31:09] organization for a better opportunity
[31:11] and they're a little bit more mobile. I
[31:13] will say not to say that those that are
[31:15] over 40 are not mobile. They absolutely
[31:17] are. But um those that are under 40,
[31:20] it's it's um it's almost expected that
[31:23] unless they are going to embrace the
[31:26] organization and be compensated what
[31:28] they believe that their worth is that
[31:30] they are going to leave. Your risk does
[31:32] not appear to be for retirements. You
[31:34] don't have very many people in the
[31:36] pipeline that are going to be turning
[31:38] over for that reason. So really uh
[31:40] really the the focus or the the strategy
[31:43] of the city when we are looking at it is
[31:46] your compensation, your career
[31:48] development opportunities so you can
[31:50] grow and develop those folks to help
[31:52] keep them there. That's going to tie
[31:54] into the benefits which will be coming
[31:56] uh that that which will be coming to
[31:57] you. And so we we do recommend here that
[32:02] um that you that you focus a little bit
[32:04] more on retention and the
[32:07] competitiveness of the ranges than
[32:09] necessarily maybe worrying about
[32:11] retirements coming up. So with that,
[32:14] what does that have to do with anything?
[32:16] Well, it has a lot to do with your
[32:18] compensation structure. And um we found
[32:21] that in our market findings as well
[32:23] because we were looking at those
[32:24] minimums and you have you know a you
[32:27] know you have a fair number of positions
[32:29] that are a little bit lower in the
[32:30] minimums. What you have right now is you
[32:33] have a 50% spread from the minimum
[32:36] number to the maximum number. And when
[32:40] you are considering that, okay, um what
[32:43] we want is for your employees to get as
[32:47] close to the midpoint as um as as
[32:50] quickly as possible. And the reason
[32:53] being is that the midpoint really is
[32:55] your market number. 25% spread from
[32:58] minimum to midpoint. Right now based
[33:01] upon the last study that you did the the
[33:04] pathway is approximately or the plan is
[33:07] about 10 years and right now in this
[33:10] current market um that we are
[33:12] experiencing all across the United
[33:14] States 10 years is too long. So there is
[33:17] going to have to be a mechanism to get
[33:19] your employees elevated up to that
[33:21] midpoint. it. We need to accelerate them
[33:23] faster or we have to um revisit your
[33:28] salary ranges and whether or not that
[33:30] widespread that you have is really
[33:32] working for you because the minimums are
[33:35] are too low. They're not they're not
[33:38] necessarily helpful for you and it the
[33:40] pathway for your employees could
[33:42] potentially be too long and then they
[33:44] get frustrated and they find a better
[33:46] opportunity and they leave. So in
[33:49] addition to that, because the city has
[33:51] not actually done any economic
[33:53] adjustments on those ranges themselves,
[33:56] that has continued to compound your
[33:59] position in the market. And that's why
[34:01] it might be surprising to you when you
[34:02] see the percentage of positions that
[34:04] were under market. Um but but to us that
[34:08] that makes um absolute sense. Now
[34:11] certainly you know this is just looking
[34:13] at your ranges not necessarily your
[34:15] employee um rates of pay about where
[34:18] where they are at. This is really just
[34:20] looking at um at the structure at the
[34:23] structure only.
[34:25] So when we go into recommendations
[34:27] there's really two areas uh that we
[34:30] focus on. The first one is compensation
[34:33] philosophy and the second one is
[34:34] compensation strategy. And there really
[34:36] is a difference between the two of them.
[34:39] The compensation philosophy of an
[34:42] organization is going to define um your
[34:45] approach to your compensation. It's
[34:48] where you want to compete within your
[34:51] market and that then helps us establish
[34:55] where where do we need to take from
[34:57] there. And historically the city it's my
[34:59] understanding has held a 50th percentile
[35:03] compensation philosophy and that that is
[35:06] continuing to this day. So the
[35:08] recommendations that we built for the
[35:10] city at this point are based on on that
[35:13] existing compensation philosophy.
[35:16] The compensation strategy, however, is
[35:20] really what do we do with that
[35:22] philosophy in or in order to make it
[35:24] happen? What are those action items
[35:26] going to be? It's going to be what your
[35:28] structure looks like, what your policies
[35:30] look like, how often are you going to do
[35:33] market reviews, um things of of that
[35:36] nature. So how do we how do we make that
[35:39] 50th percentile or average market
[35:41] compensation? How do how do we execute
[35:44] it? So the philosophy sets the direction
[35:46] and the strategy here delivers the
[35:49] results. And I think that that's
[35:50] important. Those are two very important
[35:52] distinctions as we walk through what our
[35:55] our uh pre what I'll call our
[35:57] preliminary recommendations.
[35:59] recommendations for you to be able to
[36:01] get working on on the budget or finalize
[36:03] the budget, I should say, while the
[36:06] human resources director and I continue
[36:08] to um finalize the report or the the
[36:11] study. So, our overall recommendations
[36:14] for the city um was to take your
[36:17] existing salary ranges and to update
[36:20] them uh to better align to that target
[36:24] point of the 50th percentile. though.
[36:27] So, we left that alone and that also
[36:29] then resulted in some additional
[36:31] positions that needed to go into new pay
[36:34] grades. Um, those pay grades I have
[36:37] studied those those changes. I do not
[36:40] believe that we have interrupted any
[36:42] type of internal comparability. Um, I
[36:44] think that we are we will be we will be
[36:46] okay um with that. And with that then
[36:49] means all right well now we have all of
[36:51] your employees in their salary ranges
[36:53] and what happens with them and I there
[36:55] may be some questions to that. Um the
[36:58] the intent as I understand it at this
[37:01] point is uh a cola adjustment along with
[37:05] my my recommendations on the market
[37:07] adjustments for those particular salary
[37:10] ranges.
[37:12] With that in mind, this is almost a All
[37:15] right, this is the the pin in the
[37:17] project as of where we are at as of
[37:20] today. We still have a little bit more
[37:22] work to do. We have a pretty pretty
[37:24] comprehensive list to go. Um the first
[37:27] one is is that I do want to talk with
[37:29] your city administration and human
[37:31] resources about making some adjustments
[37:33] to your salary structure. And um you
[37:37] know I think that the structure itself
[37:38] is going to look very similar to what it
[37:40] is right now. But I think that you've
[37:42] got some opportunities to relieve a
[37:44] little bit of compression and to think
[37:46] about and talk about what is that
[37:48] strategy to get your employees to that
[37:50] um more competitive midpoint in a more
[37:54] um reasonable number of years. Um, we're
[37:57] going to take a look at your
[37:58] compensation policy and uh provide some
[38:01] long-term recommendations on whether or
[38:04] not anything might need to uh be
[38:07] changed. And we will also review
[38:09] compression. Compression is that
[38:10] separation between ranks, but it also
[38:13] might be separation within a respective
[38:17] um salary range. One of the interesting
[38:20] things that we found with your fire
[38:21] operations is that you have a unique um
[38:23] you have a unique annual divisor that
[38:26] you use. Um we will have some
[38:27] recommendations on how the city might be
[38:29] able to adjust that so that you are more
[38:32] aligned with what we would find in the
[38:34] external market based upon what the work
[38:37] schedule of the department is. We're
[38:40] looking at your benefits, how those you
[38:43] know what opportunities are out there
[38:45] for the organization. They may be um
[38:48] very modest adjustments and that become
[38:51] very meaningful when you're looking at
[38:53] the total package that that you are able
[38:55] to offer your employees. We're taking a
[38:58] look at your certification and
[38:59] skill-based pay which is um you know it
[39:02] is uh very significant in the state of
[39:04] Texas. We know that and so that analysis
[39:07] is is just about complete. And the last
[39:09] thing that we are going to talk about
[39:11] here is your compensation philosophy and
[39:13] your position in market. Um, and we'll
[39:15] start that conversation with your
[39:17] administration and human resources and
[39:20] talk about if there's any appetite in
[39:22] the future to talk about something over
[39:24] the the 50th percentile. You are in a
[39:28] very very um difficult market. the
[39:31] Houston market, it's very very
[39:32] aggressive and um perhaps positioning
[39:35] you a little bit higher than the average
[39:38] will will work better for you,
[39:40] especially if the city opts not to do
[39:44] annual economic adjustments on the
[39:47] salary ranges because what otherwise
[39:49] happens is when the rest of the e when
[39:51] the rest of the world kind of goes on
[39:53] without you, okay, in in that in that
[39:56] essence, what happens is that you don't
[39:58] necessarily have a parachute underneath
[40:00] you um it won't take more than a couple
[40:02] of years. I would say probably not more
[40:04] than two years and all of the sudden
[40:07] you're going to find that you're no
[40:08] longer at that market again. Um, and so
[40:11] by positioning you maybe a little bit
[40:13] more a little elevated above that
[40:16] average, what it's basically doing is
[40:18] it's giving you a little bit of cushion.
[40:20] That way, if you're not making annual um
[40:23] economic adjustments, which I do
[40:25] recommend that you do, but if you don't
[40:26] make economic adjustments on an annual
[40:28] basis to the ranges, those ranges are
[40:31] still going to continue to be market
[40:33] competitive. Maybe not at the 55th or
[40:35] the 60th percentile, but it will still
[40:38] at least be the average. And that is
[40:40] going to give you some longevity in your
[40:44] ranges and and you know so therefore
[40:47] hopefully you won't necessarily see as
[40:49] big a swings in in your ranges as what
[40:52] you might have um coming up here in the
[40:55] next year. So a lot to take in. I I
[40:59] talked really fast. I should tell you
[41:01] all I'm from I'm from Wisconsin and
[41:03] sometimes I talk fast because of that
[41:04] and I apologize. Uh, but I'd like to
[41:07] talk about any questions that the
[41:09] council might have if that is
[41:11] appropriate to do so.
[41:14] >> This time, is there any comments or
[41:15] » This time, is there any comments or
[41:15] questions from council?
[41:19] >> How often do you think you ought to do a
[41:20] » How often do you think you ought to do a
[41:20] rate adjustment? Every year.
[41:23] >> So, the ranges themselves should be
[41:26] » So, the ranges themselves should be
[41:26] adjusted every year. Yes. Um, now, and
[41:29] that there's some caveats to that. If
[41:31] there's an economic decline, then no,
[41:34] probably not. that's not going to
[41:36] happen. But we do re we do recommend
[41:38] that even if it's a modest adjustment
[41:40] each year, it helps you when you do the
[41:44] when you do a market update in the
[41:46] future, you know, usually every 3 to 5
[41:48] years is what we recommend for that. Um
[41:51] we don't want those to be big financial
[41:54] spikes. And so the more that you can put
[41:56] on there each year, it's going to
[41:59] flatten those spikes down when it is
[42:02] time to do a market update.
[42:04] We did our last rate adjustment three
[42:06] years ago.
[42:08] >> That's right.
[42:09] » That's right.
[42:09] >> Yeah, that's about right.
[42:10] » Yeah, that's about right.
[42:10] >> And we chose at that time we had a whole
[42:13] » And we chose at that time we had a whole
[42:13] different group of cities than what you
[42:16] chose. And I meant you're taking the
[42:19] Houston market and we were taking the
[42:21] same close to the same size cities
[42:26] as we are. So you're just saying because
[42:28] we're close to Houston, we've got to use
[42:31] a different market now. Well, what we
[42:34] are finding is that wages are re very
[42:36] regionalized and the um you know we we
[42:40] think about your flow of your human
[42:42] capital. Where are you bringing them in
[42:44] from and where do you run the risk that
[42:47] you're losing them to? And that is you
[42:49] know usually going to be very much the
[42:51] Houston market because people in and and
[42:53] their travels. We did study um we
[42:56] studied Dallas, we studied Austin. Um
[42:59] and I do believe that there was another
[43:00] metro area that we studied because when
[43:03] you think about your leadership
[43:05] positions, your department directors
[43:07] probably you are you are um recruiting
[43:10] more on a statewide basis. So we do have
[43:12] that information. But sometimes it's if
[43:15] you are if we're trying to compare your
[43:18] your market, your wages against a
[43:21] community, and I'm just going to say in
[43:22] the San Antonio region, two very
[43:24] different markets um with two very
[43:26] different needs. And the San Antonio
[43:28] market isn't helping um the Houston
[43:32] market. So I would recommend yes, stay
[43:35] as close to the Houston market for the
[43:37] for the majority of your positions as
[43:39] you can.
[43:42] I have a question with the uh like
[43:45] police department. We made some
[43:46] adjustments last year due to
[43:49] county and city getting um raises and
[43:52] bumps in their salary because it was
[43:55] necessary at that time. Was this taken
[43:56] into account in in your analysis?
[44:00] So, we studied um we studied the wages
[44:02] that you that you are at um that you are
[44:06] at this year and um overall I think that
[44:09] what you're going to find um is that
[44:12] there is uh more um modest changes
[44:16] that's going to be needed from your um
[44:19] from your police officers perhaps than
[44:22] um than other positions. So the work
[44:24] that you did last year is helping to
[44:28] support um you know not needing a
[44:31] significant change this year
[44:35] >> on on the fire department uh shift
[44:37] » on on the fire department uh shift
[44:37] scheduling. What what are you seeing uh
[44:41] different from either a standard 2448 or
[44:45] 48.96 staffing schedule?
[44:48] >> Yes. So on the 24 Yeah, I'm sorry.
[44:50] » Yes. So on the 24 Yeah, I'm sorry.
[44:50] you're on the 48.96 and we don't
[44:53] recommend that you change that. You
[44:55] know, that's absolutely operational and
[44:57] that's very common. So, uh within within
[45:00] the fire service, especially in in the
[45:02] state of Texas, um so the the there's a
[45:07] difference between a pay period and a
[45:08] work period according to the Fair Labor
[45:10] Standards Act. And so you can establish
[45:14] because your your fire and your police,
[45:16] but your you know specifically to your
[45:18] fire because they're working these you
[45:20] know 24 48 hour shifts. How do you
[45:23] calculate their overtime and at what
[45:25] point does that kick in? And you
[45:28] >> what's that?
[45:29] » what's that?
[45:29] >> You're you're ch you you'd recommend
[45:31] » You're you're ch you you'd recommend
[45:31] changing from a 106 to a 212.
[45:35] I am recommending that you take a look
[45:36] at a at a 28day model and that you go to
[45:39] a 212.
[45:41] >> Yes.
[45:44] » Yes.
[45:44] >> Thank you.
[45:44] » Thank you.
[45:44] >> You're welcome.
[45:48] » So to give you an idea, mayor, mayor
[45:50] prom and council about what effect it is
[45:52] on the budget and what we have budgeted
[45:54] in those numbers. So based on what uh
[45:58] Melena has described, can you go back to
[46:00] the to the breakdown of what is the
[46:04] percentage of our positions to the 50th
[46:06] percentile? No, that little um
[46:10] >> so what that is showing is just our pay
[46:14] » so what that is showing is just our pay
[46:14] plan, not the individual uh employees.
[46:17] But when you So what that means is the
[46:20] recommendation and the reason why we
[46:22] didn't want to put it in writing is
[46:24] because it can be misconstrued the
[46:25] percentages of the of the cost. So to
[46:28] move our current pay plan just move the
[46:31] the men's the max the the midpoints and
[46:33] the max to a competitive comparable uh
[46:38] pay plan. That is an 8.9% move.
[46:43] So but that doesn't mean in dollars. So
[46:46] what it means in actual cost based on
[46:48] the individual and where they're at and
[46:49] this is where it comes into play the
[46:51] work and the adjustments that we made
[46:54] last year for public safety and those
[46:56] type of things. It has helped
[46:58] tremendously because that cost to move
[47:02] people to the bare minimum to the new
[47:04] market pay plan and to meet their time
[47:08] and position. So, like let's say
[47:10] somebody's been in their position 5
[47:11] years, they should move five years into
[47:14] that um job range. That cost to move to
[47:19] the new plan is $320,000.
[47:22] So, about I would say
[47:25] um less than 3%. So, it's about 2%. So,
[47:28] it fell right in to do the market
[47:30] adjustments.
[47:31] >> So, that gets us to minimum. And then of
[47:34] » So, that gets us to minimum. And then of
[47:34] course to make sure that we stay ahead.
[47:36] That doesn't mean everybody gets right
[47:38] >> that that amount. Some people you know
[47:40] » that that amount. Some people you know
[47:40] like she was saying uh I think right now
[47:42] the the biggest uh department as a whole
[47:45] and then there's there's there's some um
[47:49] even breakdown within departments but as
[47:51] department as a whole public works is a
[47:52] re is the ones that are falling behind
[47:54] right now. Public safety is doing better
[47:57] because of the estimate we did last
[47:59] year, but we're talking about overall,
[48:01] so the cost to just move everybody to
[48:03] market to the new pay plan is about
[48:06] $320,000,
[48:07] about 2 and a half% of what we budgeted
[48:11] based of our baseline salaries. You add
[48:14] the 3% cola to make sure that we keep
[48:15] moving people along in their in their
[48:17] section. So, you're looking at right
[48:19] about 5% and we budgeted 9%. The
[48:24] remaining is what we're working with
[48:25] Melina on what suggestion is going to be
[48:28] because we could continue the
[48:30] performance-based merit system. I think
[48:32] that has helped. That's why this market
[48:35] adjustment has not been as big as it
[48:38] could have been if we were just going
[48:40] along with colas every year. Um, or we
[48:44] can start looking at our pay plan and
[48:46] start getting it towards a a uh
[48:49] structure that best fits the
[48:51] demographics of today. Like she said,
[48:54] our our pay plan is a is based on a
[48:57] 20-year career. We could start
[48:59] shortening that. People would would
[49:01] progress quicker in their job every
[49:04] year. I would say that if we do that, we
[49:07] would probably have to pull back if not
[49:10] eliminate the merit-based system because
[49:12] then people would go too far too fast in
[49:15] their job description. So th those are
[49:17] all the things that we're weighing right
[49:18] now. Um
[49:20] but what I can tell you is as you can
[49:22] tell that we are well within the
[49:23] budgeted numbers that we have in the
[49:25] budget.
[49:30] I'm gonna say something that probably
[49:31] not be very popular, but is there any
[49:33] way that if I keep hearing every every
[49:37] year that, you know, people don't care
[49:40] about the longevity? In other words, I'm
[49:43] going to stay here 20 years. Do we want
[49:45] to grandfather in the people that have
[49:48] been here for 10 or 15 years, keep them
[49:51] in, and then do away with that policy
[49:54] and bring in something else?
[49:58] that I mean that definitely can be, you
[50:00] know, as we go through these iterations
[50:02] about what that means because it's the
[50:04] impact of these long-term employ. It's
[50:06] 11%.
[50:07] >> So really there's not well 11% of 55 and
[50:10] » So really there's not well 11% of 55 and
[50:10] older. Um but I see what you're saying,
[50:14] >> but you grandfather those people in that
[50:16] » but you grandfather those people in that
[50:16] have been here so many years
[50:20] and then you do away with the policy
[50:22] because if what I keep hearing is it
[50:25] doesn't keep anybody
[50:28] I mean, I've heard that now four or five
[50:30] years.
[50:31] >> Define what you mean by
[50:35] » Define what you mean by
[50:35] >> Okay.
[50:35] » Okay.
[50:36] >> grandfathering it.
[50:37] » grandfathering it.
[50:37] >> A lot of corporation, A lot of
[50:38] » A lot of corporation, A lot of
[50:38] corporations years ago did away with
[50:42] health insurance when she got 65
[50:46] >> and those kind of benefits.
[50:47] » and those kind of benefits.
[50:47] >> Okay. But if you'd been with the company
[50:50] » Okay. But if you'd been with the company
[50:50] for and you were say 40 years old and
[50:53] you'd been with the company 25 years or
[50:56] 45, I don't remember how many 50 years
[50:59] old and then you were grandfathered in
[51:01] and you got to keep that policy. But the
[51:03] new hires like that because they don't
[51:05] care. They just want the money.
[51:08] That's what I just heard.
[51:09] >> So you're talking about the total
[51:10] » So you're talking about the total
[51:10] benefit package. Okay, I see what you're
[51:12] saying.
[51:13] >> And then you could cut back on and then
[51:15] » And then you could cut back on and then
[51:15] you could give the money to them more.
[51:17] You don't have to worry about the long
[51:19] term,
[51:20] >> right?
[51:20] » right?
[51:20] >> I got you.
[51:22] » I got you.
[51:22] >> We do have something similar to that on
[51:24] » We do have something similar to that on
[51:24] um retiree insurance um subsidy between
[51:29] before they hit 65 and then they go on
[51:32] to um Medicare. Um if you were hired
[51:36] before
[51:37] 2014, I believe it was, then that pol,
[51:42] >> right? So then those retirees,
[51:44] » right? So then those retirees,
[51:44] >> that's it.
[51:45] » that's it.
[51:45] >> Could benefit from that. We did an
[51:47] » Could benefit from that. We did an
[51:47] analysis. I think there's Christie, how
[51:49] many is there left? Two. Two that are
[51:52] taking advantage and they're going to
[51:53] fall off of that this next year. So then
[51:56] we talked about, well, if we move that
[51:58] deadline instead of 2014 and move it up
[52:00] to 2020, it adds two people potentially
[52:03] to that. So budget impact is a wash and
[52:07] I think it gives those employees that
[52:10] have been here what I think what you're
[52:12] suggesting.
[52:12] >> Yeah. I want to keep I mean, you know
[52:14] » Yeah. I want to keep I mean, you know
[52:14] what I'm saying is I don't want to
[52:16] penalize the people that have been here,
[52:18] >> but if you're going to be your new hires
[52:21] » but if you're going to be your new hires
[52:21] and stuff like that that you're saying
[52:23] by this lady saying they don't really
[52:25] care anything but the salary. They're
[52:27] not looking at keeping a lifetime.
[52:30] >> Yeah. The tenure in in these positions
[52:33] » Yeah. The tenure in in these positions
[52:33] are very short.
[52:35] >> And I mean, what's your thoughts, uh,
[52:38] » And I mean, what's your thoughts, uh,
[52:38] Chief Davis, on this
[52:41] >> right now? when you see everything how
[52:43] » right now? when you see everything how
[52:43] the market is going, what what uh other
[52:45] agencies are doing, they're frontloading
[52:47] money. So, basically what they're saying
[52:49] is that we're going to take this money,
[52:50] we're going to frontload it because we
[52:52] don't anticipate you retiring with us.
[52:54] That's right. And so, what they're doing
[52:55] is they're frontloading that money. So,
[52:57] I I'll make you I'll take a four-year
[52:58] officer. Just use a number make and in
[53:00] four years you make 101,000 and then you
[53:02] frontloading the money. But here's the
[53:04] thing about it. From that year four to
[53:06] that year 15 or that year, you're still
[53:08] going to be that. And so what they're
[53:10] doing is for recruiting and uh that's
[53:11] how they do it. It's like hey you come
[53:13] to us and it looks like big numbers but
[53:15] it don't talk about the insurance and it
[53:17] doesn't talk about also how they're
[53:18] frontloading the money. So basically all
[53:20] they doing is taking that money
[53:21] anticipating that you're not going to
[53:22] retire in 15 20 years here and we're
[53:24] going to give you that money right now
[53:26] and then that's how it's going to be.
[53:27] >> And that's but I'm saying a lot of
[53:28] » And that's but I'm saying a lot of
[53:28] corporations did that.
[53:30] >> But what's the data say? Do they stay
[53:32] » But what's the data say? Do they stay
[53:32] once they get that large pay raise? Are
[53:34] they tendency to stay another five years
[53:37] maybe 10 years? They say
[53:38] >> they stay within five and 10 years, but
[53:40] » they stay within five and 10 years, but
[53:40] to actually have somebody that retired,
[53:42] like I'm almost at my 20 year, you don't
[53:44] get that anymore. So within that, within
[53:46] the NE 3 to seven years, 3 to 10 years
[53:49] max, that's when they do. And then
[53:51] that's where they at. Uh when you hire a
[53:53] new officer, you if you get three to 10
[53:55] years out of you did a wonderful job
[53:57] with an officer right now because they
[53:58] tend to bounce around right now.
[54:00] >> And and the younger generation, they,
[54:02] » And and the younger generation, they,
[54:02] you know, we I'm a little bit older, but
[54:04] yeah, they're about the money and but
[54:06] they don't look at the insurance. But
[54:07] again, another thing too when we
[54:09] comparing apples to apples, when you see
[54:11] those numbers inflate out there, they
[54:13] don't talk about how how well our
[54:15] insurance is compared to what they're
[54:17] paying in their insurance. So you can
[54:18] pay somebody $100,000 and then their
[54:20] insurance is $986 a month versus what we
[54:23] pay. So you have to compare both like
[54:25] that. But
[54:25] >> you go have a baby.
[54:26] » you go have a baby.
[54:26] >> Yeah.
[54:26] » Yeah.
[54:26] >> With those kind of insuranceances,
[54:28] » With those kind of insuranceances,
[54:28] >> correct? So that's all they're doing is
[54:29] » correct? So that's all they're doing is
[54:29] frontload money.
[54:32] >> Some people might.
[54:34] » Some people might.
[54:34] >> It doesn't.
[54:35] » It doesn't.
[54:35] >> Yeah.
[54:37] » Yeah.
[54:37] Is it the same thing with the fire
[54:39] department,
[54:40] >> Chief?
[54:41] » Chief?
[54:41] >> Both really what uh we've seen in the
[54:43] » Both really what uh we've seen in the
[54:43] fire department is sign on bonuses. Uh
[54:45] between that and then them covering
[54:49] insurance was a lot of what these ESDs
[54:51] have done, but where they're when
[54:52] they're doing single resource or single
[54:53] source uh single funding sources. That's
[54:57] that's where it really hurts is they're
[55:00] they'll push a $5,000 sign on bonus
[55:02] that's given over a two-year period. But
[55:06] what they're not doing is same thing
[55:07] Sean said. It's that they're not looking
[55:09] completely at the insurance package.
[55:11] They see yes, it's free that they're not
[55:12] paying for it, but they're not seeing
[55:14] that they have a $10,000 deductible at a
[55:17] minimum.
[55:17] >> Yeah.
[55:18] » Yeah.
[55:18] >> So there there are a lot of other ones.
[55:20] » So there there are a lot of other ones.
[55:20] >> And Drew, how about your department?
[55:25] I will say a lot of those numbers with
[55:27] the,
[55:28] you know, less than 40 come from our
[55:30] department. We have probably over half
[55:33] that are less than 30. Uh
[55:36] I think our our biggest competitors
[55:40] aren't always
[55:42] neighboring cities. They're neighboring
[55:45] water districts for especially for the
[55:47] utilities. You know, we have Aqua, HMW,
[55:50] H2O, all those. So, we've seen quite a
[55:53] few of our staff get trained here in
[55:55] Tombball, make really good staff, and
[55:57] then jump to a private sector making
[56:00] more money.
[56:01] >> So, Melania, can you put the slide of
[56:04] » So, Melania, can you put the slide of
[56:04] the other findings? I guess it's slide
[56:06] number five.
[56:08] >> Yeah.
[56:11] » Yeah.
[56:11] >> And so, go ahead.
[56:12] » And so, go ahead.
[56:12] >> I'm sorry. Well, I was going to say, you
[56:15] » I'm sorry. Well, I was going to say, you
[56:15] know, part of the challenge that that
[56:17] everyone here this this evening has is
[56:20] that we're not done with the with
[56:22] everything. And I once we have a better
[56:25] understanding of how you're positioned
[56:28] in terms of your benefits, I think that
[56:30] that will give you a much clearer
[56:32] picture of here's where you are at with
[56:34] wages and here's where you are at with
[56:36] benefits. Um because you know the
[56:38] conversations that you're having, every
[56:41] employer all across the nation right now
[56:43] is having that exact conversation of
[56:45] what do we frontload? What do we offer?
[56:47] Because individuals who are under the
[56:49] age of 26, they're still on their
[56:50] parents' health insurance. They're not
[56:52] caring about insurance. They certainly
[56:54] do not care about state retirement
[56:56] systems. Even though we all understand
[56:58] the absolute value of those and it
[57:01] usually takes your employees a little
[57:03] bit longer to appreciate the value, but
[57:06] the challenge is is that by the time
[57:08] they start to appreciate the value,
[57:10] you've trained them and now they've
[57:11] left.
[57:12] >> Which is why we really need to focus on
[57:14] » Which is why we really need to focus on
[57:14] what you know that that minimum area and
[57:17] trying to try to keep them.
[57:19] >> What did she say was the problem?
[57:22] » What did she say was the problem?
[57:22] >> They're already gone. Yeah. Before they
[57:24] » They're already gone. Yeah. Before they
[57:24] figure out the value. before they figure
[57:26] out because you know they're as soon as
[57:28] they get any amount of um skill set and
[57:32] experience then that's the prime time
[57:34] and then they'll leave.
[57:35] >> Yeah.
[57:37] » Yeah.
[57:37] The firefighters will leave for 25 cents
[57:39] an hour
[57:41] at least they used to.
[57:42] >> And so that's the the external
[57:44] » And so that's the the external
[57:44] pressures. And then when we look
[57:46] internally and then we look at our
[57:47] compensation structure if you look there
[57:49] at that one the first bullet
[57:51] >> where it says 36 pay rates. That's the
[57:53] » where it says 36 pay rates. That's the
[57:53] different job um grades that we have. 50
[57:57] 50th range spread, but the 5% grade to
[58:01] grade separation. So that's a 5%
[58:04] separation from one job to the next. So
[58:06] what happens is that you'll have an
[58:08] employee that's a great employee is now
[58:12] has worked 10 years and has done great.
[58:14] They get promoted to the next job level
[58:16] up. Well, they're already making more
[58:19] than some of the ones that have been in
[58:21] that position for for five years.
[58:23] >> Y
[58:23] » Y
[58:23] >> and and so that compression between each
[58:26] » and and so that compression between each
[58:26] one of those is a problem just
[58:27] inherently with our pay plan. And so
[58:31] part of the other things is that if we
[58:33] have money in the budget to be able to
[58:34] do more of a separation to alleviate
[58:37] something, we've never been able to to
[58:39] address that. And Chief knows that that
[58:41] that's that's a problem that we deal
[58:43] with all the time. But
[58:44] >> you're talking about increasing the 5%
[58:46] » you're talking about increasing the 5%
[58:46] from grade to grade.
[58:48] between
[58:49] >> well%
[58:51] » well%
[58:51] that's going to be a 7% going to help
[58:54] >> between the the vertically
[58:56] » between the the vertically
[58:56] >> when you spread it out that way instead
[58:58] » when you spread it out that way instead
[58:58] of 5% go to a 7% spread.
[59:00] >> Yes.
[59:01] » Yes.
[59:01] >> Um it's
[59:02] » Um it's
[59:02] >> it makes a difference.
[59:03] » it makes a difference.
[59:03] >> It it makes a huge difference because
[59:05] » It it makes a huge difference because
[59:05] what we find is some employees go
[59:07] >> I don't want to promote. Why would I ex
[59:11] » I don't want to promote. Why would I ex
[59:11] accept more responsibility and a
[59:13] different workload with a higher skill
[59:16] set if you're if I'm just going to make
[59:17] x amount more?
[59:20] >> But that's that's the issue in industry,
[59:23] » But that's that's the issue in industry,
[59:23] too. That's that's the that's the issue
[59:26] everywhere.
[59:27] >> And maybe I'm just talking about what I
[59:29] » And maybe I'm just talking about what I
[59:29] know of our pay plan of 5% that I see
[59:32] every single day. And I know that these
[59:34] guys say like, "Hey, I want to promote
[59:35] so and so. He's been here 12 years, done
[59:38] great." uh but we're going to have to
[59:40] make an exception for him because he's
[59:42] already making more. And so then I have
[59:45] to look at the employees that are
[59:46] already there doing the job that have
[59:48] experience and say do we leave him there
[59:49] and then this guy that they're going to
[59:51] have to train
[59:52] >> do that job. So it's it is a problem in
[59:56] » do that job. So it's it is a problem in
[59:56] in just in ours because you're right.
[59:58] I'm sure that it's
[59:59] >> it's in all industries. It's yes and in
[1:00:02] » it's in all industries. It's yes and in
[1:00:02] you know in my tax industry that I've
[1:00:03] been in for 30 years you do not get
[1:00:05] rewarded for staying at your company
[1:00:07] anymore because we get a three to three
[1:00:10] and a half% raise every single year but
[1:00:12] whoever's coming in new won't make a
[1:00:14] lateral move. So they come in 20% higher
[1:00:18] and that's just the nature of it. Um but
[1:00:20] it it might be worse in this industry.
[1:00:23] I'm not, you know, in cities, but it's
[1:00:25] it's the same thing.
[1:00:27] >> Well, to tell you that in the past, we
[1:00:29] » Well, to tell you that in the past, we
[1:00:29] really didn't run into that a whole lot,
[1:00:31] okay?
[1:00:31] >> Because people stayed
[1:00:32] » Because people stayed
[1:00:32] >> because they stayed because in the
[1:00:34] » because they stayed because in the
[1:00:34] public sector,
[1:00:36] >> the benefits were so much better and the
[1:00:39] » the benefits were so much better and the
[1:00:39] stability, people would just stay
[1:00:40] >> for that.
[1:00:41] » for that.
[1:00:41] >> But now the market has taken to where
[1:00:43] » But now the market has taken to where
[1:00:43] they're leaving. And so now we're having
[1:00:45] kind of the private sector problems.
[1:00:47] >> Everybody's cannibalizing everybody
[1:00:49] » Everybody's cannibalizing everybody
[1:00:49] else. Councilwoman McN, you have any
[1:00:52] input you'd like to have?
[1:00:53] >> No. All good things,
[1:00:57] » but you're saying we can do something
[1:00:58] within the budget right now.
[1:01:00] >> Absolutely. Yes, sir. And then once we
[1:01:01] » Absolutely. Yes, sir. And then once we
[1:01:01] get those numbers, but as you know, the
[1:01:04] budget is going to hopefully go for
[1:01:06] final adoption. The money that we have
[1:01:09] in there, I I can tell you to get us to
[1:01:12] a new pay plan, same structure, but move
[1:01:15] us 8.9%.
[1:01:17] Move the pay plan. And then with all the
[1:01:19] stuff that we've done, it's we're
[1:01:22] looking at cola and the market
[1:01:23] adjustments about 5%. So we're still
[1:01:26] within budget and then the remaining am
[1:01:28] dollars. I'll bring that back
[1:01:31] >> to give you about the proposal to what
[1:01:32] » to give you about the proposal to what
[1:01:32] we'll do with it
[1:01:33] >> because we got to keep our man everybody
[1:01:36] » because we got to keep our man everybody
[1:01:36] up here wants to do that.
[1:01:37] >> That sound fair to you guys everything
[1:01:39] » That sound fair to you guys everything
[1:01:39] you hear guys and ladies
[1:01:42] with your staffs.
[1:01:44] I don't have a choice.
[1:01:45] >> I don't see Kansas.
[1:01:47] » I don't see Kansas.
[1:01:47] >> Paul, when you when you were working for
[1:01:49] » Paul, when you when you were working for
[1:01:50] a company not and you heard any kind of
[1:01:53] raise that you were getting, you never
[1:01:55] thought it was enough, did you?
[1:01:56] >> No, we know that. But fair.
[1:02:00] » No, we know that. But fair.
[1:02:00] >> Well, right. Well, we that is fair. To
[1:02:02] » Well, right. Well, we that is fair. To
[1:02:02] answer your question, yes, I'm I'm a
[1:02:04] defend
[1:02:04] >> because we don't lose anybody because
[1:02:05] » because we don't lose anybody because
[1:02:06] we're not being fair.
[1:02:07] >> You're never going to get to a point
[1:02:08] » You're never going to get to a point
[1:02:08] where you can play uh money wars with
[1:02:10] any other cities and things like that.
[1:02:12] You're not going to do that. So, you'll
[1:02:13] lose anytime. Whoever got the bigger
[1:02:14] purse usually wins when we go to that.
[1:02:16] But that's not where we at. That's not
[1:02:17] where we need to be at right now. Where
[1:02:19] we need to be at is what that word says,
[1:02:21] competitive. And that way gives us a
[1:02:22] fighting chance. All I'm saying is that
[1:02:24] we need to have that fighting chance to
[1:02:26] be competitive and see where
[1:02:27] everything's at. The culture itself of
[1:02:29] just people moving around and leaving
[1:02:30] because uh but they may not like me or
[1:02:33] whatever the case may be. But what we
[1:02:35] have to do is at least make it so from a
[1:02:36] financial standpoint that we are in a
[1:02:38] competitive range that we have the
[1:02:40] ability to fight and keep people here.
[1:02:42] uh because it costs so much more money
[1:02:43] when we train somebody and we train them
[1:02:44] to go be better at another city and we
[1:02:46] didn't put $25,000 in the training and
[1:02:48] all the money we spent to make them
[1:02:49] better go somewhere else. So we asking
[1:02:51] ourselves on the back end, we spent
[1:02:52] $25,000 training this person, $15,000
[1:02:54] training this person and they leave us
[1:02:56] because they getting a dollar more or $2
[1:02:58] more an hour somewhere else, but we
[1:03:00] spent all the money training them like
[1:03:01] Drew was saying to get them and then
[1:03:03] they move and go on. So we got to look
[1:03:04] at the cost ris.
[1:03:09] » Thank you. That's in all industries at
[1:03:11] all.
[1:03:14] >> Any more questions, comments?
[1:03:17] » Any more questions, comments?
[1:03:17] Well, at this time, we will recess and
[1:03:20] reconvene at 6:00 p.m.
[1:22:33] and this evening and for the city of
[1:22:36] Tombball and the state of Texas and the
[1:22:38] United States of America. Thank you that
[1:22:41] you have given us this wonderful place
[1:22:43] to live and that you have entrusted us
[1:22:45] with uh our ability to lead and guide
[1:22:48] and govern the city for all of the
[1:22:51] future generations. Thank you for the
[1:22:53] entire council and the mayor. Please be
[1:22:56] with the first responders, every single
[1:22:58] one of them, including the public works
[1:23:00] and fire and police who keep us safe and
[1:23:03] watch over us and give us the freedom of
[1:23:05] movement that uh comes comes with being
[1:23:08] an American citizen. Thank you for all
[1:23:11] of the people who are interested in the
[1:23:13] success of the city of Tombal and who
[1:23:14] are here and listening and take a
[1:23:16] wonderful interest in our town.
[1:23:19] Please bless this entire town. It is in
[1:23:22] your son's name that we pray. Amen.
[1:23:24] >> Amen.
[1:23:26] » Amen.
[1:23:26] >> Pledges will be now led by Councilwoman
[1:23:28] » Pledges will be now led by Councilwoman
[1:23:28] >> Mna.
[1:23:34] To the flag of the United States of
[1:23:36] America and to the republic for it
[1:23:39] stands nation
[1:23:42] indivisible with liberty and justice for
[1:23:45] all.
[1:23:46] >> Now the Texas flag.
[1:23:48] » Now the Texas flag.
[1:23:48] Honor flagged
[1:23:53] one
[1:23:55] and indivisible.
[1:24:00] » Okay, it's now time for public comment
[1:24:03] and receipt of petition. At this at this
[1:24:06] time, anyone will be allowed to speak on
[1:24:08] any matter other than personal matter
[1:24:10] matters under litigation for the length
[1:24:12] of time not to exceed 3 minutes. Mr.
[1:24:15] Harris, do we have anyone that wants to
[1:24:17] speak? No sir, we don't have anyone
[1:24:18] signed up.
[1:24:19] >> Okay. Is there anyone in the audience
[1:24:21] » Okay. Is there anyone in the audience
[1:24:21] that would like to speak?
[1:24:24] >> No.
[1:24:25] » No.
[1:24:25] Alrighty then. We'll move on to the next
[1:24:27] item.
[1:24:29] We're going to go to reports and
[1:24:30] announcements.
[1:24:32] Upcoming events.
[1:24:35] Number one, September 8th, 2026 Public
[1:24:38] Safety Citizens Academy program begins.
[1:24:41] Classes are every Tuesday night for 10
[1:24:43] weeks. Registration is required. On
[1:24:46] September tw 10th, 2026, Coffee Clutch
[1:24:50] is going to be hosted by the Texas
[1:24:52] Farmers Market, M A M A M A M A M A M A
[1:24:53] M A M A M A M A Kelly from 8:30 to 10:00
[1:24:56] a.m. at the Tomball Community Center. On
[1:24:59] September 11th,
[1:25:02] 911 remembrance ceremony from 8 to 900
[1:25:06] a.m. at the Tomball Depot Plaza,
[1:25:09] followed by a short evening tribute from
[1:25:11] 7:30 to 7:45
[1:25:14] at the Tomball Depot Plaza. September
[1:25:17] 12th, second Saturday, from 5 to 900
[1:25:20] p.m. at the Tomball Depot Plaza. in
[1:25:24] September 26th,
[1:25:26] 2026, Groupfest from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00
[1:25:30] pm at the Tombball Deote Plaza.
[1:25:34] Got that? Okay. Next, we'd like to move
[1:25:37] on to reports by city staff and members
[1:25:39] of council about items in the community
[1:25:42] interest which no action will be taken
[1:25:44] care of. Yes, sir. Councilman Parr. Uh
[1:25:47] last week I attended the memorial
[1:25:49] service for uh former Fort Ben County
[1:25:52] Judge Bob Abear. Uh he was a a large
[1:25:58] figure in Fort B County. He also
[1:26:00] happened to be the first officer I
[1:26:02] worked under when I joined the A Fire
[1:26:03] Department in 1974.
[1:26:07] >> Awesome.
[1:26:09] » Awesome.
[1:26:09] >> Yes, ma'am.
[1:26:09] » Yes, ma'am.
[1:26:09] >> Yes. So, Wednesday evening, this coming
[1:26:12] » Yes. So, Wednesday evening, this coming
[1:26:12] Wednesday, which is the 19th,
[1:26:16] um the city will be making a centinarian
[1:26:20] uh presentation to a 100-year-old. That
[1:26:24] means he's turning 100 and he's a World
[1:26:25] War II veteran. And um you know, we're
[1:26:28] losing those. We don't have a lot of
[1:26:29] those left. And um he's a personal
[1:26:31] friend of mine, has been a personal
[1:26:33] friend for close to 20 years. And um so
[1:26:37] everybody's invited. And I know you know
[1:26:39] anybody from council that can make it
[1:26:41] great. Um certainly you know no
[1:26:43] obligation or anything.
[1:26:45] >> Yes. Thank you for asking that. It's at
[1:26:47] » Yes. Thank you for asking that. It's at
[1:26:47] POS in their bull room that side room
[1:26:50] that they have um at 6:00 pm. Uh the BFW
[1:26:54] will be there. We'll have um some
[1:26:57] proclamations by some local local
[1:26:59] governments. Um Congressman Hunt and
[1:27:01] Representative Oliver and our both of
[1:27:03] our commissioners are sending some
[1:27:05] representatives. So, kind of a neat
[1:27:07] celebration um for a World War II
[1:27:10] veteran turning 100.
[1:27:13] >> The the date is the 19th. So, it's this
[1:27:15] » The the date is the 19th. So, it's this
[1:27:15] Wednesday at 6 PM at POS.
[1:27:19] >> Thank you. Thank you.
[1:27:22] » Thank you. Thank you.
[1:27:22] >> May 19th.
[1:27:27] » Still notating.
[1:27:28] >> Nothing.
[1:27:30] » Nothing.
[1:27:30] >> I went to I participated last week. I
[1:27:32] » I went to I participated last week. I
[1:27:32] went to TML to a TML meeting and there's
[1:27:36] a push by the governor as you guys know
[1:27:39] in this 2027 legislative session to
[1:27:42] eliminate
[1:27:44] property taxes. So that being said, as
[1:27:48] you guys know, or if you don't know,
[1:27:49] that makes up 16% of the city's revenue,
[1:27:52] over $7 million. So we're going to have
[1:27:54] to come up with to make up that
[1:27:56] difference. So we're working feverishly
[1:27:58] with EDC to help us on picking up sales
[1:28:01] tax. So any ideas anybody comes up with,
[1:28:03] that's what we're looking for.
[1:28:06] >> Hopefully it'll come up with an idea to
[1:28:07] » Hopefully it'll come up with an idea to
[1:28:07] replace it on its own.
[1:28:09] >> Yeah, exactly.
[1:28:10] » Yeah, exactly.
[1:28:10] >> Revenue somehow.
[1:28:11] » Revenue somehow.
[1:28:11] >> Somehow. Yeah. I heard there was a rumor
[1:28:13] » Somehow. Yeah. I heard there was a rumor
[1:28:13] that they would increase sales tax by
[1:28:14] 2%. So,
[1:28:16] >> who knows?
[1:28:20] » A full change in the in the Texas's
[1:28:22] chart.
[1:28:22] >> Yeah. So, who knows what's going to
[1:28:25] » Yeah. So, who knows what's going to
[1:28:25] happen, but real issues. Okay. Old
[1:28:28] business consent agenda.
[1:28:37] » Are there if right now everything on
[1:28:40] here all matters listed under the
[1:28:42] consent agenda are considered to be
[1:28:43] routine and will be enacted in one
[1:28:45] motion. There will be no separate
[1:28:47] discussion of these items. If discussion
[1:28:49] is desired, the item in question will be
[1:28:51] removed from the consent agenda and will
[1:28:53] be considered separately. Information
[1:28:56] concerning consent agenda items is
[1:28:58] available for public review. We will be
[1:29:01] taking no action on old consent item
[1:29:05] number 15.
[1:29:07] So are there are there any items any
[1:29:10] other items that council would like to
[1:29:12] pull off the consent agenda?
[1:29:21] » No.
[1:29:23] Is there a motion to approve the old
[1:29:25] business consent items except for item
[1:29:28] number 15 which will not be addressed at
[1:29:30] this time?
[1:29:31] >> So moved.
[1:29:32] » So moved.
[1:29:32] >> Second.
[1:29:33] » Second.
[1:29:33] >> Discussion.
[1:29:37] Call for the vote.
[1:29:50] Motion carries 5-0.
[1:29:55] » Old business.
[1:29:57] Adopt on second reading ordinance number
[1:30:00] 2026-34
[1:30:03] an ordinance of the city council of the
[1:30:04] city of Tomball Texas adopting the
[1:30:07] budget of the city of Tomball Texas for
[1:30:09] fiscal year 2026-2027
[1:30:14] and authorizing the city manager to
[1:30:16] approve intradep departmental transfers
[1:30:18] of budgeted items funds and amending the
[1:30:22] budget for the 2025 2026 fiscal year in
[1:30:26] the accordance with the actual
[1:30:28] expenditures and providing other details
[1:30:31] related to the passage of this
[1:30:33] ordinance. Mr. Esavl, you have anything
[1:30:35] to add?
[1:30:37] >> No, sir. Mayor, Mayor Pro Tim and
[1:30:39] » No, sir. Mayor, Mayor Pro Tim and
[1:30:39] council, as we've gone through two
[1:30:41] budget meetings, uh the budget proposal
[1:30:44] that you have in front of you, it
[1:30:45] reflects all of the discussion and
[1:30:47] changes from those meetings.
[1:30:50] >> Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
[1:30:52] » Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
[1:30:52] number 2026-34?
[1:30:55] » Motion. Second
[1:30:57] >> discussion.
[1:31:01] » Call for the vote.
[1:31:17] » Motion carries 5-0.
[1:31:20] We're going to move on to new business
[1:31:22] now.
[1:31:23] First item is approved minutes of August
[1:31:26] 3rd, 2026 joint city council and TEEDC
[1:31:29] meeting.
[1:31:32] >> Mr. Harris, is there anything to add?
[1:31:34] » Mr. Harris, is there anything to add?
[1:31:34] >> No, sir. May protest.
[1:31:35] » No, sir. May protest.
[1:31:35] >> Is there a motion to approve the minutes
[1:31:36] » Is there a motion to approve the minutes
[1:31:36] from August 3rd, 2026?
[1:31:40] >> Motion.
[1:31:42] » Motion.
[1:31:42] >> Second.
[1:31:43] » Second.
[1:31:43] >> Discussion.
[1:31:45] » Discussion.
[1:31:45] Call for the vote.
[1:31:59] Motion carries 5-0.
[1:32:02] >> Okay,
[1:32:03] » Okay,
[1:32:03] we'll move down to item number three.
[1:32:07] Discussion and direction of the Tomball
[1:32:09] Economic Development Corporation TEEDC
[1:32:12] for the Legacy Square project.
[1:32:15] Mr. Harris, can you summarize the
[1:32:17] consensus point consensus points from
[1:32:20] the 8:14 meeting?
[1:32:22] >> Yes, sir. Mayor Pro Tim. Uh just a recap
[1:32:25] » Yes, sir. Mayor Pro Tim. Uh just a recap
[1:32:25] of the discussion from from Friday and
[1:32:28] some of the consensus points um
[1:32:31] regarding Legacy Square. So um the first
[1:32:35] one was there was commit commiss
[1:32:37] commence to transition of building A the
[1:32:39] main sanctuary to a multifunctional
[1:32:41] facility
[1:32:43] um also serving as a community center.
[1:32:46] Uh point number two was to prepare
[1:32:48] building C which is small uh chapel for
[1:32:52] Pearl Fincher.
[1:32:54] Uh number three was to prepare plans for
[1:32:56] building F which was identified as the
[1:32:58] fellowship hall. um suggestion was some
[1:33:02] sort of conversion to a retail outlet
[1:33:04] facility. Uh also for purposes of
[1:33:07] renting spaces for workshops, barn
[1:33:09] space, arts and crafts um and make sure
[1:33:12] that uh this is not a uh project
[1:33:15] subsidized by the city and waves the
[1:33:18] city from liability. And then uh the
[1:33:20] fourth was to initiate the demolition of
[1:33:22] all buildings other than the main and
[1:33:25] small chapel um fellowship hall um which
[1:33:30] was referred to as buildings A, C and F
[1:33:34] and then convert uh area to the green to
[1:33:38] a green space that was tied to the
[1:33:40] museum. Um and then the fifth was for a
[1:33:45] submission of a detailed plan um
[1:33:48] revolving involving the necessary uh
[1:33:51] transition of legacy square. Um that
[1:33:54] plan is recommended to include on&m cost
[1:33:58] operation responsibility of facility
[1:34:01] programming responsibilities and any
[1:34:04] projected revenue.
[1:34:06] And then finally the sixth point uh was
[1:34:10] dealing with parking lot in commence for
[1:34:13] plans uh for parking lot in behind the
[1:34:15] depot.
[1:34:19] » Is there a motion to approve the Is
[1:34:21] there a motion to approve consensus
[1:34:24] direction for the general discussion of
[1:34:26] this item number three?
[1:34:28] >> Motion.
[1:34:29] » Motion.
[1:34:29] >> Second
[1:34:30] » Second
[1:34:30] >> discussion.
[1:34:31] » discussion.
[1:34:32] >> I have no idea what we're approving. I
[1:34:34] » I have no idea what we're approving. I
[1:34:34] have no idea what this is and I don't
[1:34:37] think this should be discussed without
[1:34:39] the EDC board here. We told them not to
[1:34:41] come and then now we're this was
[1:34:43] supposed to be a joint meeting and then
[1:34:45] on Friday we told them not to come.
[1:34:48] >> My understanding we we listed out all
[1:34:51] » My understanding we we listed out all
[1:34:51] the consensus items that we all agreed
[1:34:54] to and this today we were just going to
[1:34:56] vote on it.
[1:34:57] >> I did not agree to those on Friday at
[1:34:59] » I did not agree to those on Friday at
[1:34:59] all. No, there's like diametrically
[1:35:02] opposed things he just said. It was just
[1:35:06] a whole bunch of ideas thrown around.
[1:35:08] Not everybody even gave any ideas on
[1:35:11] Friday. We did not agree to those on
[1:35:14] Friday. What? Not at all. It was a
[1:35:16] workshop.
[1:35:17] >> It was a workshop which my understanding
[1:35:19] » It was a workshop which my understanding
[1:35:19] we that's what he was writing down.
[1:35:21] We're gathering all the information of
[1:35:22] what we felt we would like to do.
[1:35:24] >> But not everybody gave ideas on Friday.
[1:35:29] » But not everybody gave ideas on Friday.
[1:35:29] Well,
[1:35:29] >> I didn't know because we said we weren't
[1:35:31] » I didn't know because we said we weren't
[1:35:31] even discussing this on today, which is
[1:35:34] why we told the EDC board not even to
[1:35:35] come.
[1:35:37] >> We weren't going to do the budget, but
[1:35:38] » We weren't going to do the budget, but
[1:35:38] we were going to we were going to
[1:35:39] approve what we agreed to Friday was my
[1:35:44] understanding
[1:35:45] >> for all the we took a consensus.
[1:35:48] » for all the we took a consensus.
[1:35:48] I so
[1:35:49] >> I just heard main sanctuary
[1:35:52] » I just heard main sanctuary
[1:35:52] all the way he just said all the way
[1:35:54] from either being a community center to
[1:35:56] being a special events which are two
[1:35:58] 100% opposite things. They're not even
[1:35:59] remotely related,
[1:36:02] not even close. So how are we agreeing
[1:36:04] on a special event center or a community
[1:36:06] center in the same thing that are not
[1:36:08] even related to each other?
[1:36:11] I think we're not agreeing on what it's
[1:36:13] going to be so much is just a direction
[1:36:15] forward and to so we can get things
[1:36:19] zoned and platted so we can we know we
[1:36:21] want to keep those three buildings. I
[1:36:23] think that's the thing is to keep those
[1:36:25] three buildings so we can upgrade them
[1:36:27] and then talk about the other buildings
[1:36:29] being taken down.
[1:36:30] >> I do think we took the census it would
[1:36:32] » I do think we took the census it would
[1:36:32] not be a I I brought that up multiple
[1:36:35] times. It would not be a music venue.
[1:36:39] I said that multiple times.
[1:36:41] >> Correct. What was said on Friday was
[1:36:44] » Correct. What was said on Friday was
[1:36:44] that you would always vote no for that
[1:36:46] and and mayor prom Paul Garcia also said
[1:36:49] that that was going to be a no. So
[1:36:51] that's that was two nos. I never said
[1:36:53] one word on Friday because
[1:36:54] >> I think Shelley agreed with the
[1:36:56] » I think Shelley agreed with the
[1:36:56] consensus.
[1:36:57] >> Okay. So then we know not to even make a
[1:36:59] » Okay. So then we know not to even make a
[1:36:59] motion for it because it'll be voted
[1:37:00] down which is fine.
[1:37:04] I I recall the one thing that we did
[1:37:06] agree on was demolition of the buildings
[1:37:08] that are not going to be used. Correct.
[1:37:10] >> That's right.
[1:37:11] » That's right.
[1:37:11] >> Yes.
[1:37:11] » Yes.
[1:37:11] >> Okay. So So So demo
[1:37:15] » Okay. So So So demo
[1:37:15] Okay.
[1:37:17] So we're voting to say that it could
[1:37:22] either be a special event or a community
[1:37:24] center, the main sanctuary. Is that what
[1:37:25] we're voting on? voting that it's going
[1:37:28] to be a multifunctional facility acting
[1:37:32] as a community center also
[1:37:38] gives it a lot of options what we can do
[1:37:41] there.
[1:37:44] » Okay,
[1:37:45] >> because that's when we were talking
[1:37:46] » because that's when we were talking
[1:37:46] about the repertoire and theater. Well,
[1:37:49] they could come in there and and rent
[1:37:51] the facility for that types of events.
[1:37:54] See,
[1:37:54] >> we said that's perfect.
[1:37:56] » we said that's perfect.
[1:37:56] >> All right.
[1:37:56] » All right.
[1:37:56] >> And then we agreed that we were all in
[1:37:58] » And then we agreed that we were all in
[1:37:58] agreement, and you guys correct me if
[1:38:00] I'm wrong, about uh the retail outlet,
[1:38:03] the old gymnasium, the fellowship hall,
[1:38:07] that we would just rent spaces out and
[1:38:09] city would not be held liable
[1:38:12] for anything there from a liability
[1:38:15] standpoint or from subsidizing.
[1:38:18] be stand alone
[1:38:20] >> because I believe Danny even talked
[1:38:21] » because I believe Danny even talked
[1:38:21] about on that that it was it wasn't a
[1:38:25] money maker I think is what he said and
[1:38:28] I said I
[1:38:30] >> correct
[1:38:31] » correct
[1:38:31] >> yeah Danny even talked about it was a
[1:38:34] » yeah Danny even talked about it was a
[1:38:34] makers is that what they call it a barn
[1:38:36] maker house
[1:38:37] >> makaker
[1:38:38] » makaker
[1:38:38] >> that it was not a money maker and so
[1:38:43] » that it was not a money maker and so
[1:38:43] that's when we said that it can't it's
[1:38:45] got to be something that does make money
[1:38:47] and that we weren't going to put money
[1:38:49] into
[1:38:49] >> money into it. We weren't going to
[1:38:50] » money into it. We weren't going to
[1:38:50] purchase any equipment or machinery for
[1:38:52] those
[1:38:53] >> and we're not going to take the
[1:38:53] » and we're not going to take the
[1:38:54] liability. That's going to have to be a
[1:38:55] group do that and come to the city or to
[1:38:58] the TEDC and discuss it
[1:39:01] >> and bring options to y'all.
[1:39:02] » and bring options to y'all.
[1:39:02] >> So then the city is going to take over
[1:39:04] » So then the city is going to take over
[1:39:04] ownership of the main sanctuary to turn
[1:39:07] it into a city's community center.
[1:39:09] >> We didn't say that. That's what we're
[1:39:10] » We didn't say that. That's what we're
[1:39:10] looking for guidance from you guys how
[1:39:12] you think it'll best work. Well, I just
[1:39:15] heard us make a motion to vote for it to
[1:39:17] become a community center
[1:39:18] >> acting as a community center. It's going
[1:39:21] » acting as a community center. It's going
[1:39:21] to be a multi-unctional
[1:39:23] facility
[1:39:24] acting as the community center also like
[1:39:28] so during the day they can be the
[1:39:29] community center. At night if you have
[1:39:31] other events you can use it for that
[1:39:33] too.
[1:39:35] That's my understanding. Yes sir. Did I
[1:39:38] say the community center was discussed,
[1:39:41] but I think if we can make it for
[1:39:43] clarification purposes for the public,
[1:39:45] if we can defend.
[1:39:47] >> Yes. Please walk up to the front
[1:39:49] » Yes. Please walk up to the front
[1:39:49] >> and say your name,
[1:39:50] » and say your name,
[1:39:50] >> your name and address, please.
[1:39:54] » your name and address, please.
[1:39:54] >> Uh Danny Hudson, 1277 Zahan Road. We we
[1:39:57] » Uh Danny Hudson, 1277 Zahan Road. We we
[1:39:57] talked about it a community center, but
[1:40:00] we we didn't say this was going to be a
[1:40:02] community center. So, I would like to
[1:40:03] just to clarify. I love the the
[1:40:06] terminology event center which could be
[1:40:08] a community but right
[1:40:09] >> for clarification out in public as much
[1:40:11] » for clarification out in public as much
[1:40:11] as this has been thrown around and
[1:40:12] changed and you know the rumors that can
[1:40:15] we just keep it as event center
[1:40:17] >> that be fine
[1:40:17] » that be fine
[1:40:17] >> and then if it ends up being a community
[1:40:19] » and then if it ends up being a community
[1:40:19] center it ends up being one but I don't
[1:40:21] want it to be out there that it's this
[1:40:22] is going to be the community center
[1:40:24] because we don't know that
[1:40:26] >> gotcha
[1:40:27] » gotcha
[1:40:27] >> so that it's not declared that
[1:40:31] » so that it's not declared that
[1:40:31] >> the 9th
[1:40:32] » the 9th
[1:40:32] >> and
[1:40:33] » and
[1:40:33] >> what's the difference between saying
[1:40:35] » what's the difference between saying
[1:40:35] it's acting as a community center or
[1:40:37] being a community center.
[1:40:38] >> Well, because you're going to be able to
[1:40:39] » Well, because you're going to be able to
[1:40:39] do other events there also. So, they
[1:40:42] know if you're bringing in a, you know,
[1:40:44] somebody you have an amusement venue for
[1:40:47] 300 people, it'll accommodate that at
[1:40:49] night. If you're doing it on the
[1:40:50] weekend, that kind of thing. So, it
[1:40:52] could be multifunctional to use it uh
[1:40:54] for different things, but also if the
[1:40:56] community center wants to use it during
[1:40:58] the day, it can be used.
[1:41:00] >> I think you just used the right
[1:41:01] » I think you just used the right
[1:41:02] terminology. Yes, sir. multiunctional
[1:41:04] event center.
[1:41:06] Leave it at that.
[1:41:07] >> Yeah, whatever we call it, it's fine.
[1:41:10] » Yeah, whatever we call it, it's fine.
[1:41:10] >> So, we're taking community center out of
[1:41:11] » So, we're taking community center out of
[1:41:11] it because let's think about how the
[1:41:12] community center operates right now.
[1:41:14] It's a very formal process and people
[1:41:16] pay money to the city and it's a very
[1:41:19] regulated
[1:41:21] community center function. It's not just
[1:41:24] willy-nilly, oh, whoever wants to go
[1:41:26] over and use that building at night
[1:41:27] because they want to do a music
[1:41:29] something or another or a play. I mean,
[1:41:31] it's very formal.
[1:41:34] >> Well, I mean, the the the the rules and
[1:41:36] » Well, I mean, the the the the rules and
[1:41:36] regulations could be transferred from
[1:41:38] the existing community center to the
[1:41:41] event center. Uh so there'd be an
[1:41:44] application process, fees or deposits
[1:41:47] and stuff like that. Well, they had to
[1:41:49] be some changes too though because
[1:41:51] according to David
[1:41:54] >> the or somebody I don't it might not
[1:41:56] » the or somebody I don't it might not
[1:41:56] have been David we can't or it was you
[1:42:00] said that we the community center now
[1:42:03] can't take
[1:42:05] and have a a group come in there that
[1:42:08] makes money off of it. And wasn't that
[1:42:10] you that told me that?
[1:42:12] >> Somebody did.
[1:42:13] » Somebody did.
[1:42:13] >> That's our policy.
[1:42:14] » That's our policy.
[1:42:14] >> Yeah. They can't you can't for rent the
[1:42:17] » Yeah. They can't you can't for rent the
[1:42:17] community center and then charge
[1:42:18] admission and for for profit
[1:42:20] >> and so that has to be changed for it
[1:42:22] » and so that has to be changed for it
[1:42:22] could ever be a community center.
[1:42:27] » I thought that mayor proin and council
[1:42:31] um I'll just give you from my
[1:42:33] perspective and I'm sure from staff
[1:42:36] this is just a direction to where we
[1:42:39] bring back a lot of these questions
[1:42:41] because you're exactly right. if it is a
[1:42:43] community center, whose rules and who's
[1:42:45] going to apply it, who's going to manage
[1:42:46] it, who's going to maintain the
[1:42:48] property. There's there's a lot of
[1:42:50] questions on depending on what it is and
[1:42:52] if we're going to move these projects
[1:42:54] forward. I I think that was
[1:42:56] >> what everybody wanted to provide some
[1:42:57] » what everybody wanted to provide some
[1:42:57] direction where everybody's on the same
[1:42:59] page so we can start hammering out some
[1:43:01] of those those questions. And at least
[1:43:04] from from my standpoint, I think that
[1:43:06] this can change once we get more into
[1:43:08] the
[1:43:08] >> details to it, too. That's why I thought
[1:43:10] » details to it, too. That's why I thought
[1:43:10] I thought the event center is what we
[1:43:12] were going to call it and it could act
[1:43:14] as a community center if we needed to or
[1:43:16] it can be.
[1:43:19] I just wanted to get away from the
[1:43:21] public hearing music venue because
[1:43:24] that's what all the people in the
[1:43:25] surrounding area were up
[1:43:27] >> so we we can see what it's not going to
[1:43:29] » so we we can see what it's not going to
[1:43:29] be.
[1:43:29] >> Exactly. That's all I want to say. What
[1:43:31] » Exactly. That's all I want to say. What
[1:43:31] it's not going to be.
[1:43:33] >> You have something to add?
[1:43:34] » You have something to add?
[1:43:34] >> Um just Yeah, I think that's the thing
[1:43:36] » Um just Yeah, I think that's the thing
[1:43:36] we could come together and talk about.
[1:43:38] It could be anywhere from weddings to um
[1:43:41] if somebody wants to rent it out for an
[1:43:43] event, but just want to move forward
[1:43:46] with make a decision to move forward
[1:43:48] because it's sitting there right now
[1:43:50] deteriorating and you don't want to get
[1:43:52] have the 1949 building get so bad that
[1:43:54] we're going to have to tear it down. We
[1:43:55] just we want to save those buildings and
[1:43:59] clean them up. And I just the reasoning
[1:44:02] and the platting right now is the
[1:44:04] easiest thing to do. So get that
[1:44:06] started.
[1:44:07] >> I agree.
[1:44:09] » I agree.
[1:44:09] So we give him we can give them
[1:44:11] direction to go tear down the buildings
[1:44:12] that we're not going to use,
[1:44:13] >> right?
[1:44:14] » right?
[1:44:14] >> That's a lot of it.
[1:44:16] » That's a lot of it.
[1:44:16] >> And we I mean Kelly and him and y'all
[1:44:19] » And we I mean Kelly and him and y'all
[1:44:19] talked about this. Y'all want direction.
[1:44:22] What's going to happen? And that's what
[1:44:24] I think we're trying to do right now is
[1:44:26] to get because they've what you've been
[1:44:28] working with two years, three years and
[1:44:31] you've owned it for even longer than
[1:44:33] that. And
[1:44:36] I don't want them to keep working on
[1:44:38] something and then the city council
[1:44:40] comes said, "Nope, that ain't going to
[1:44:42] work. We're not involved for that." And
[1:44:43] they've worked on it for three years
[1:44:44] already.
[1:44:46] >> I I am in complete agreement.
[1:44:48] » I I am in complete agreement.
[1:44:48] >> Okay. And so that's what I'm trying to
[1:44:49] » Okay. And so that's what I'm trying to
[1:44:49] do is get direction now, Lisa.
[1:44:52] >> Great.
[1:44:53] » Great.
[1:44:54] >> Miss Violet, what do you think? Can I
[1:44:55] » Miss Violet, what do you think? Can I
[1:44:56] get your assessment on our direction,
[1:44:59] council's direction to you? If you could
[1:45:01] state your name and address.
[1:45:04] >> It's very unfortunate we don't have the
[1:45:06] » It's very unfortunate we don't have the
[1:45:06] board here.
[1:45:07] >> I just don't think we should be doing
[1:45:08] » I just don't think we should be doing
[1:45:08] this boarding.
[1:45:10] >> Kelly Violet 29201 Quinn Road, Sweet A,
[1:45:12] » Kelly Violet 29201 Quinn Road, Sweet A,
[1:45:12] Tom, Texas. Um I I think we've been
[1:45:16] asking for direction for a long time and
[1:45:19] we need direction from y'all. I think
[1:45:21] this brings up more questions, you know,
[1:45:24] because things like a music venue, does
[1:45:27] that mean you don't want musicals?
[1:45:31] Does that mean you don't want weddings
[1:45:32] that have live music or bands? It it's
[1:45:35] that's kind of like pulling that string
[1:45:37] where it it lends itself to more
[1:45:39] questions. Um, we do have an item on
[1:45:42] Friday's joint agenda to talk about it
[1:45:44] more if you want to be able to talk
[1:45:45] about it in front of the EDC board.
[1:45:48] >> Okay. But does this at least gives you a
[1:45:50] » Okay. But does this at least gives you a
[1:45:50] starting point, you feel?
[1:45:52] >> I think yes, it gives us some direction
[1:45:53] » I think yes, it gives us some direction
[1:45:53] and that's really what we're looking for
[1:45:55] because like you said, I mean, we we're
[1:45:57] we're kind of we're kind of flailing,
[1:45:59] you know, waiting for direction from
[1:46:00] y'all so that we can move
[1:46:02] >> and because at the end of the deal, it's
[1:46:04] » and because at the end of the deal, it's
[1:46:04] going to be this group's decision what
[1:46:07] goes there,
[1:46:08] >> right?
[1:46:10] » right?
[1:46:10] >> Am I correct?
[1:46:11] » Am I correct?
[1:46:11] >> Yes.
[1:46:11] » Yes.
[1:46:11] >> Okay. And I think a good way to answer
[1:46:14] » Okay. And I think a good way to answer
[1:46:14] that question too is I think we would
[1:46:16] like music and events and plays. It's
[1:46:19] probably the number of seats that we're
[1:46:22] talking about and then that um solves a
[1:46:24] lot of the parking issues right now that
[1:46:26] we don't have to talk worry about right
[1:46:28] now and it could be in the future
[1:46:31] >> but I think right now at this time um
[1:46:35] » but I think right now at this time um
[1:46:35] it's the number of seats that's real can
[1:46:37] get real scary when we talk about what's
[1:46:39] going to be there.
[1:46:40] And it's also it's like Danny said, what
[1:46:42] if we do this for a year or two and it
[1:46:45] >> fizzles out.
[1:46:46] » fizzles out.
[1:46:46] >> Yeah.
[1:46:47] » Yeah.
[1:46:47] >> And we do what you said, Danny. Tear the
[1:46:49] » And we do what you said, Danny. Tear the
[1:46:49] thing down.
[1:46:50] >> Still homes in there.
[1:46:52] » Still homes in there.
[1:46:52] >> There's a lot of options and I think
[1:46:54] » There's a lot of options and I think
[1:46:54] taking baby steps is the right way to go
[1:46:56] in my opinion. So,
[1:47:00] >> so then with this direction of saying
[1:47:03] » so then with this direction of saying
[1:47:03] that council's going to evidently vote
[1:47:05] tonight without the MC board present
[1:47:07] >> to make it a multifunctional event
[1:47:09] » to make it a multifunctional event
[1:47:10] center that may or may not act as a
[1:47:12] community center and may or may not
[1:47:13] allow music of a certain size.
[1:47:17] I would.
[1:47:18] >> But yet, you have no budget to do any of
[1:47:21] » But yet, you have no budget to do any of
[1:47:21] this with because we've cut out
[1:47:24] everything out of the budget that would
[1:47:26] allow them to do anything to number one
[1:47:29] to the main sanctuary.
[1:47:32] So, we're voting on something the EDC
[1:47:33] has no capability of doing.
[1:47:39] » I disagree in the fact that we said you
[1:47:42] could bring back amendments.
[1:47:45] >> Okay. Budget amendments do it without
[1:47:46] » Okay. Budget amendments do it without
[1:47:46] asking for the council.
[1:47:49] >> I think you guys they were going to meet
[1:47:51] » I think you guys they were going to meet
[1:47:51] my understanding was they were going to
[1:47:52] meet Friday and discuss what they were
[1:47:54] going to do. Is that my understanding of
[1:47:58] what they need to do to move forward
[1:48:00] with this? And I think at that point
[1:48:03] then you guys would come back to council
[1:48:05] for a budget amendment which we would
[1:48:07] grant because this is what we want to do
[1:48:10] as a consensus.
[1:48:12] What do you what are your thoughts
[1:48:16] >> that the council's not I mean that the
[1:48:17] » that the council's not I mean that the
[1:48:17] EDC board isn't really getting any
[1:48:19] usable guidance because
[1:48:22] you know one minute it's a $2 million
[1:48:24] budget. The next minute it's so we want
[1:48:25] it to be zero but it can't be zero so
[1:48:27] we're going to make it 500,000 plus a
[1:48:29] few extra things. Now 48 hours later, 52
[1:48:34] hours later, we're voting to tell the
[1:48:36] EDC to turn it into a multifunctional
[1:48:38] event center with no budget. But yet
[1:48:41] then does that just mean before the
[1:48:43] budget has even been approved, but yet
[1:48:44] we're saying no budget, but we're vote.
[1:48:46] I mean, it's circles.
[1:48:50] » I will disagree, but I'm only one
[1:48:53] person, so I don't know what the rest of
[1:48:55] council thinks.
[1:48:57] >> What did we disagree on Friday? 750. Is
[1:49:00] » What did we disagree on Friday? 750. Is
[1:49:00] that what we ended with the budget? Am I
[1:49:02] okay 750?
[1:49:04] >> And I thought we had talked about that
[1:49:05] » And I thought we had talked about that
[1:49:05] might have been enough for step one
[1:49:09] demo. So it's the demo and then having
[1:49:11] money to handle repairs like if it needs
[1:49:14] a new air conditioning system
[1:49:16] >> or you know room for air conditioning.
[1:49:18] » or you know room for air conditioning.
[1:49:18] That's it. That's it. That's all that's
[1:49:20] in there. Nothing to turn the 1949
[1:49:23] chapel into um an art gallery. Not at
[1:49:27] all. Zero.
[1:49:29] Zero to turn the main sanctuary into
[1:49:32] anything that we're contemplating voting
[1:49:34] on right here right now. Zero to turn
[1:49:36] the fellowship hall into a retail
[1:49:38] facility
[1:49:40] right now.
[1:49:44] » And how is that is that with amendments
[1:49:46] that we would come back and I know you
[1:49:47] don't want to nickel come back every
[1:49:49] time and ask permission but is that how
[1:49:51] that would be
[1:49:52] >> that would be handled that way. The
[1:49:54] » that would be handled that way. The
[1:49:54] funds would then be approved by council
[1:49:56] on their ideas and thought processes for
[1:49:58] those various buildings
[1:50:03] which which in my which is fine
[1:50:04] obviously right there's a process for
[1:50:06] that but I think that's telling the EDC
[1:50:08] board we want you to go do something but
[1:50:12] we don't even trust you to have one dime
[1:50:15] in advance to do it so go we want you to
[1:50:19] do it we're voting on it but you have no
[1:50:22] money you have no authority no money
[1:50:24] because we don't trust you at all except
[1:50:26] to do the denim and then to keep it
[1:50:28] maintained from falling down. That's all
[1:50:30] we trust you to do right now.
[1:50:31] >> Trust is not the word. I think we agreed
[1:50:33] » Trust is not the word. I think we agreed
[1:50:33] that we were going to work amicably
[1:50:35] together and we've been trying to do
[1:50:37] that, trying to get with you guys. Hey,
[1:50:39] what can we do? So, we'll work closely
[1:50:41] with each other to make sure all parties
[1:50:43] involved are getting what they want and
[1:50:46] that the public is getting also what
[1:50:48] they want. So the three different
[1:50:50] entities are getting something
[1:50:52] functional for everyone and acceptable
[1:50:54] to everyone.
[1:50:55] >> And and I do remember you saying that on
[1:50:57] » And and I do remember you saying that on
[1:50:58] Friday evening. Yes, ma'am.
[1:50:59] >> That you felt that this was a way for
[1:51:01] » That you felt that this was a way for
[1:51:01] cooperation.
[1:51:02] >> Yes, ma'am.
[1:51:02] » Yes, ma'am.
[1:51:02] >> But that's very one-sided in my opinion.
[1:51:05] » But that's very one-sided in my opinion.
[1:51:05] I do not see this as cooperation. I see
[1:51:08] this as council mandating something but
[1:51:11] telling the EDC, "We're not going to
[1:51:12] give you any authority for money to do
[1:51:14] it, so figure it out and then come back
[1:51:16] to us for every single step." which is
[1:51:18] fine, but if that's the way this council
[1:51:20] wants to operate the EDC going forward.
[1:51:22] >> We agreed on that though Friday.
[1:51:24] » We agreed on that though Friday.
[1:51:24] >> I did not agree to it. No, there was no
[1:51:26] » I did not agree to it. No, there was no
[1:51:26] vote. How did we agree?
[1:51:27] >> Well, we changed the budget. Everybody
[1:51:29] » Well, we changed the budget. Everybody
[1:51:29] agreed on the new budgeted amounts. So,
[1:51:32] at that time, I would think if someone
[1:51:35] was disagreeing with it would have
[1:51:36] brought that up and we would had that
[1:51:38] further discussion.
[1:51:39] >> Well, we we did indicate that we agreed
[1:51:44] » Well, we we did indicate that we agreed
[1:51:44] that we disagreed with zero, right? that
[1:51:46] zero is not possible even though that
[1:51:48] was proposed
[1:51:49] >> yes ma'am
[1:51:50] » yes ma'am
[1:51:50] >> 14 times
[1:51:51] » 14 times
[1:51:51] >> and that you know couldn't do zero but
[1:51:55] » and that you know couldn't do zero but
[1:51:55] given that zero was the proposal we did
[1:51:58] manage to get it to 750 but now and
[1:52:00] that's fine so then we stay with that
[1:52:03] but how can we then that was Friday
[1:52:05] today's Monday how can this council now
[1:52:09] literally vote to pass something giving
[1:52:14] guidance to the EDC for something they
[1:52:16] cannot do.
[1:52:22] » I don't understand why you think they
[1:52:24] cannot do anything. My understanding you
[1:52:26] guys are getting or EDC was getting
[1:52:29] together Friday to get discuss
[1:52:33] further what they're going to do with
[1:52:34] Legacy Square and bring back information
[1:52:36] to council and we could all both discuss
[1:52:39] it.
[1:52:40] >> We are having a joint meeting on Friday
[1:52:42] » We are having a joint meeting on Friday
[1:52:42] to approve the EDC budget. That's all
[1:52:45] that's happening right now.
[1:52:46] >> No, I understood that uh the Tombbo
[1:52:48] » No, I understood that uh the Tombbo
[1:52:48] Legacy Square Council was getting
[1:52:50] together. The group small group of guys
[1:52:54] that
[1:52:54] >> that's what I was told.
[1:52:55] » that's what I was told.
[1:52:55] >> Okay. I'm not
[1:52:56] » Okay. I'm not
[1:52:56] >> Maybe you know
[1:52:59] » Maybe you know
[1:52:59] >> the committee. Yeah. Was getting
[1:53:00] » the committee. Yeah. Was getting
[1:53:00] together Friday.
[1:53:01] >> Yeah. Is it Thursday? Okay.
[1:53:05] » Yeah. Is it Thursday? Okay.
[1:53:05] >> So, they were going to get together the
[1:53:07] » So, they were going to get together the
[1:53:07] advisory committee.
[1:53:08] >> Is that what he's refer Is that what
[1:53:09] » Is that what he's refer Is that what
[1:53:09] you're referring to?
[1:53:10] >> Yes, ma'am.
[1:53:13] » Yes, ma'am.
[1:53:13] and they were going to come back, tell
[1:53:14] us what their thoughts, and then we can
[1:53:16] move forward.
[1:53:23] » Okay. So, we're voting on what today
[1:53:24] we're voting on 1949 Chapel to become an
[1:53:28] art gallery, hopefully Pearl Fincher,
[1:53:29] but we can't vote on that because that's
[1:53:31] up to Pearl Fincher,
[1:53:32] >> right?
[1:53:34] » right?
[1:53:34] >> Fellowship Hall to become a retail.
[1:53:35] » Fellowship Hall to become a retail.
[1:53:35] >> Would you like Mr. Harris to repeat them
[1:53:37] » Would you like Mr. Harris to repeat them
[1:53:37] all? You want to repeat them for us?
[1:53:39] Repeat them as I did or or do you want
[1:53:41] me to change?
[1:53:42] >> Repeat them as you did.
[1:53:44] » Repeat them as you did.
[1:53:44] >> Okay. So,
[1:53:45] » Okay. So,
[1:53:46] >> um point one was uh transition of
[1:53:48] » um point one was uh transition of
[1:53:48] building a main sanctuary to a
[1:53:50] multifacility u which could also act as
[1:53:53] a community center. Um prepare building
[1:53:56] C um small chapel for F pearl venture.
[1:54:00] Uh prepare plans for building F, a
[1:54:03] fellowship hall, possible conversion to
[1:54:05] a retail facility, retail outlet
[1:54:07] facility. Um and also for purposes of
[1:54:10] renting spaces for workshops, barn
[1:54:12] space, arts, crafts, um and make sure
[1:54:15] that it's uh not subsidized by the city
[1:54:18] and city's fully waved from not
[1:54:19] liability.
[1:54:21] Um point number four was initiate the
[1:54:24] demolition of all buildings other than
[1:54:26] the main sanctuary, small chapel, and
[1:54:29] fellowship hall, which were identified
[1:54:31] as buildings A, C, and F. um and then
[1:54:34] convert uh area to green space that's
[1:54:37] tied to the museum. Uh point number five
[1:54:40] was a small detailed plan uh on the
[1:54:44] sequence of events um for the
[1:54:46] transitioning of Legacy Square. Uh the
[1:54:49] plan should include O andM cost,
[1:54:51] operational responsibility of
[1:54:53] facilities, program responsibilities and
[1:54:56] projected revenue. And then point number
[1:54:58] six was to commence plans on parking lot
[1:55:01] uh in behind the depot.
[1:55:05] >> So we're not just voting on Tomball
[1:55:07] » So we're not just voting on Tomball
[1:55:07] Legacy Square, we're also barking voting
[1:55:10] on parking if a separate parking lot
[1:55:13] south of the depot.
[1:55:15] >> But we decided that's what everybody
[1:55:17] » But we decided that's what everybody
[1:55:17] wanted that
[1:55:18] >> that's what we decided made the most
[1:55:20] » that's what we decided made the most
[1:55:20] sense. The exact words that kept being
[1:55:22] repeated were that make the most sense,
[1:55:24] but that we don't know that we were
[1:55:26] appropriating a certain amount in
[1:55:28] professional services. Completely
[1:55:29] unrelated, not in the Tombbo legacy
[1:55:31] squitter line item of the budget in a
[1:55:33] completely different section of the
[1:55:34] budget. We were appropriating a piece a
[1:55:37] portion of the professional services
[1:55:39] line item for a
[1:55:42] >> engineering stud engineering work for
[1:55:46] » engineering stud engineering work for
[1:55:46] parking in Tombal. And what we kept
[1:55:49] circling back to was that in made the
[1:55:51] most sense, but that at this point we
[1:55:53] just don't know. That was what we kept
[1:55:55] saying.
[1:55:55] >> Well, because we felt that would
[1:55:57] » Well, because we felt that would
[1:55:57] alleviate some of the the parking
[1:55:59] conditions at Tombball Legacy Square
[1:56:01] that we tried that we felt that might be
[1:56:03] the best way to go. Thought everybody
[1:56:05] agreed on that that would do
[1:56:08] >> agreed that right now the most sense,
[1:56:10] » agreed that right now the most sense,
[1:56:10] but that we just don't know. So, I don't
[1:56:12] see how
[1:56:13] >> that agreement then is turning into a
[1:56:15] » that agreement then is turning into a
[1:56:15] vote today.
[1:56:19] because it's part of the relief for the
[1:56:21] parking spaces
[1:56:23] at Tomball Legacy Fund.
[1:56:27] Tomball Legacy Square.
[1:56:29] >> Okay. Well, this isn't making sense to
[1:56:31] » Okay. Well, this isn't making sense to
[1:56:31] me, but that's okay. I'm just going to
[1:56:33] vote.
[1:56:36] » Any other discussions?
[1:56:41] » Call for the vote.
[1:57:04] Motion carries 41.
[1:57:06] >> Yeah, I I didn't see truly where this
[1:57:08] » Yeah, I I didn't see truly where this
[1:57:08] was an action item
[1:57:10] in the agenda. It was just discussion
[1:57:13] and direction rather than an action
[1:57:15] item. But but the the the approval is
[1:57:19] for the direction as as listed in the
[1:57:22] motion.
[1:57:23] Okay.
[1:57:26] Thank you.
[1:57:28] Move on to the next item.
[1:57:29] >> Before we go.
[1:57:30] » Before we go.
[1:57:30] >> Yes, sir.
[1:57:30] » Yes, sir.
[1:57:30] >> David, what you're saying is it can be
[1:57:32] » David, what you're saying is it can be
[1:57:32] changed.
[1:57:34] >> And that's what you understood.
[1:57:35] » And that's what you understood.
[1:57:35] >> Absolutely.
[1:57:35] » Absolutely.
[1:57:35] >> That's what I thought, too. It can be
[1:57:37] » That's what I thought, too. It can be
[1:57:37] >> It's not a It's not a a a a contract.
[1:57:40] » It's not a It's not a a a a contract.
[1:57:40] It's not a resolution even.
[1:57:41] >> So, it can be changed.
[1:57:42] » So, it can be changed.
[1:57:42] >> It's approving the the direction.
[1:57:46] » It's approving the the direction.
[1:57:46] >> Yeah.
[1:57:47] » Yeah.
[1:57:48] >> It'll be reflected in the minutes about
[1:57:49] » It'll be reflected in the minutes about
[1:57:49] what it was. So that way there's a
[1:57:51] starting point for and and and they're
[1:57:53] going to be I think as Kelly said on
[1:57:56] Friday, this is almost the exact same
[1:58:00] um item.
[1:58:03] Then the board will be there
[1:58:06] >> as they should be.
[1:58:09] » as they should be.
[1:58:09] Should have been tonight, but we told
[1:58:10] him not to come. That seems fishy.
[1:58:14] » Okay, number four.
[1:58:17] We're going to approve resolution number
[1:58:19] 2026-40,
[1:58:21] a resolution of the city council, the
[1:58:23] city council of the city of Tomball,
[1:58:25] Texas, accepting the PID petition and
[1:58:28] calling for the public hearing on
[1:58:29] October 5th, 2026 for the creation of
[1:58:32] the Tomball public improvement district
[1:58:34] number 15 Roop and be located within the
[1:58:38] city of Tombball. SMA, you have anything
[1:58:41] you'd like to add?
[1:58:42] >> Uh, yes, sir. just that this resolution
[1:58:44] » Uh, yes, sir. just that this resolution
[1:58:44] will accept the previous PID petition.
[1:58:47] Nothing is changing. Um this is just be
[1:58:50] based on a statutory basic timeout. We
[1:58:53] took the break until the CCN was
[1:58:55] approved. We did receive notification of
[1:58:57] the CCN. So we have to start our
[1:58:59] statutory guidelines over again for the
[1:59:01] public hearing.
[1:59:03] >> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
[1:59:06] » Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
[1:59:06] resolution number 2026-40?
[1:59:10] >> So moved.
[1:59:13] » So moved.
[1:59:13] Second
[1:59:14] >> discussion.
[1:59:17] » No discussion. We'll call for the vote.
[1:59:30] Motion carries 5-0.
[1:59:33] Next item, consideration of an action on
[1:59:38] a variance request from La Reserva Meat
[1:59:42] Market for alcohol sales at 22824
[1:59:47] Huffmith Corville Road, Tomal, Texas due
[1:59:50] to the proximity to a public school
[1:59:54] property. Mr. Harris,
[1:59:56] >> thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Brief
[1:59:57] » thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Brief
[1:59:57] presentation for council regarding uh
[1:59:59] this particular uh variance. Um, so the
[2:00:02] city did receive a TABC application for
[2:00:05] La Reserva um and inform the applicant
[2:00:08] that the um development was near a
[2:00:11] Tombal ISD property in which case it
[2:00:14] would trigger section 4-3 of our code of
[2:00:16] ordinances. Uh, the applicant formally
[2:00:19] uh requested a variance um to be brought
[2:00:22] before council and in your packet you'll
[2:00:25] see a copy of the no objection letter
[2:00:26] from Tombball is ISD.
[2:00:29] Um just a a brief um view of the map. As
[2:00:34] you can see, uh within our city limits,
[2:00:37] uh there is um uh 300 foot buffer zone
[2:00:41] that you can see it does touch the
[2:00:42] Tombal ISD, which uh on the screen is
[2:00:45] going to be the property highlighted in
[2:00:47] yellow at the top left. Um um we will
[2:00:52] touch base with the applicant um because
[2:00:54] although it's outside of our city limits
[2:00:56] um for TABC's purposes, they will also
[2:00:58] need to contact Klein ISD, but that's
[2:01:00] for TS TABC because to the um the tree
[2:01:04] area, which is the Klein ISD property is
[2:01:07] outside of our city limits and so um
[2:01:09] they will need to contact that once they
[2:01:11] take this application to the TABC level.
[2:01:14] But on the local level, uh, council's
[2:01:16] more concerned with the Tombal ISD, uh,
[2:01:18] objection because that is within the the
[2:01:20] the city limits and Tom ISD has no
[2:01:23] objection. Um, and so with that, uh, uh,
[2:01:27] council, um, I don't know if the
[2:01:29] applicant is here. I know they were
[2:01:30] going to try to make it. Yes. So, Steve
[2:01:32] Sandival is here. Um, so if you guys got
[2:01:34] any further questions for him regarding
[2:01:36] this particular
[2:01:37] >> speak application
[2:01:40] » speak application
[2:01:40] there
[2:01:42] name and address, sir.
[2:01:45] >> Steve Sandaval, 12638 Ranger Court in
[2:01:48] » Steve Sandaval, 12638 Ranger Court in
[2:01:48] Magnolia. Um, I have no nothing to add,
[2:01:50] but free to answer any questions that
[2:01:52] might clear up anything that uh can come
[2:01:55] up.
[2:01:58] >> Mr. Paris, did you say that the um the
[2:02:01] » Mr. Paris, did you say that the um the
[2:02:01] building in question is not in the
[2:02:02] Tomball city limits?
[2:02:04] >> No, the building is in to city limits.
[2:02:06] » No, the building is in to city limits.
[2:02:06] Yeah. Yeah. Just uh
[2:02:09] >> client
[2:02:09] » client
[2:02:09] >> the Klein ISD portion.
[2:02:11] » the Klein ISD portion.
[2:02:11] >> Yes.
[2:02:11] » Yes.
[2:02:12] >> That is outside the city limits.
[2:02:13] » That is outside the city limits.
[2:02:13] >> I gota
[2:02:14] » I gota
[2:02:14] >> um and so when council approves here or
[2:02:16] » um and so when council approves here or
[2:02:16] if council approves here is they're just
[2:02:19] they're just concerned about the uh the
[2:02:22] stuff that's within the city limits.
[2:02:23] >> Okay. U once the applicant takes the
[2:02:25] » Okay. U once the applicant takes the
[2:02:25] application to TABC, they'll have to
[2:02:27] contact Klein ISD for TABC possible get
[2:02:30] a Gota.
[2:02:31] >> So as far as what the council is
[2:02:32] » So as far as what the council is
[2:02:32] concerned of within the 300 foot um in
[2:02:35] the city limits is the Tombball ISD and
[2:02:37] Tombal ISD has no objection.
[2:02:39] >> Okay.
[2:02:42] » Okay.
[2:02:42] And you' be selling beer and wine?
[2:02:44] >> Yes, just beer and wine.
[2:02:45] » Yes, just beer and wine.
[2:02:45] >> But no one's drinking at the shop. Um,
[2:02:48] » But no one's drinking at the shop. Um,
[2:02:48] we will have like a little restaurant
[2:02:50] side on the on the side and people would
[2:02:52] be open to grab the beer from the fridge
[2:02:55] or most likely not the wine, but just
[2:02:58] the beers from the fridge and and be
[2:02:59] able to drink it there at the tables
[2:03:00] that we do have there.
[2:03:04] They are booths. I can show some
[2:03:06] pictures if that would help.
[2:03:07] >> Will they be indoor or outdoor?
[2:03:09] » Will they be indoor or outdoor?
[2:03:09] >> All indoor.
[2:03:10] » All indoor.
[2:03:10] >> All indoor.
[2:03:11] » All indoor.
[2:03:11] >> Yes, sir.
[2:03:13] » Yes, sir.
[2:03:14] So this isn't like a grocery store sale
[2:03:16] of beer and wine or a convenience store
[2:03:18] sale of beer and wine. This is like open
[2:03:20] container sale.
[2:03:22] >> Yes. Yes.
[2:03:26] » What was the gas station that you we
[2:03:29] voted down?
[2:03:30] >> I know which
[2:03:33] » I know which
[2:03:33] 223.
[2:03:35] >> Zoom out a little. No, this is a steel
[2:03:37] » Zoom out a little. No, this is a steel
[2:03:37] picture on the on the uh
[2:03:39] >> I think they wouldn't be able to carry
[2:03:41] » I think they wouldn't be able to carry
[2:03:41] anything out of the facility. Correct.
[2:03:43] >> No. Correct. No.
[2:03:44] » No. Correct. No.
[2:03:44] >> Oh, okay. So, you can't buy a 12-pack
[2:03:47] » Oh, okay. So, you can't buy a 12-pack
[2:03:47] and walk out.
[2:03:48] >> Yeah. That
[2:03:48] » Yeah. That
[2:03:48] >> Oh, uh No, no, no, no. Yes, you you can
[2:03:50] » Oh, uh No, no, no, no. Yes, you you can
[2:03:50] buy So, we're a grocery store as well as
[2:03:54] um
[2:03:55] >> Okay,
[2:03:55] » Okay,
[2:03:55] >> let me see. How can I explain it? you
[2:03:57] » let me see. How can I explain it? you
[2:03:58] you we we'll have a a quick service side
[2:04:01] of a restaurant and you'll be able to
[2:04:03] get your food and you can take your your
[2:04:04] food home or or you can eat there as
[2:04:06] well. That's why we have the booths
[2:04:08] there. But then we also are a meat
[2:04:10] market. So we'll we'll we'll have
[2:04:12] groceries, canned products. Um it's a
[2:04:16] small small scale convenience store that
[2:04:18] you can go in there, buy it, and then go
[2:04:20] home as well. So we're not
[2:04:22] >> drink it there.
[2:04:24] » drink it there.
[2:04:24] >> You could. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
[2:04:27] » You could. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
[2:04:28] And do y'all safeguards where y'all
[2:04:30] would monitor if somebody's
[2:04:32] >> I just worry about because it's right by
[2:04:33] » I just worry about because it's right by
[2:04:33] a school.
[2:04:35] >> Um and I know the I don't know if the
[2:04:36] » Um and I know the I don't know if the
[2:04:36] school asks these same questions, but
[2:04:38] >> I would hate for something to happen and
[2:04:40] » I would hate for something to happen and
[2:04:40] then
[2:04:41] >> council approved
[2:04:43] » council approved
[2:04:43] >> school
[2:04:43] » school
[2:04:43] >> and there's I I just are there
[2:04:45] » and there's I I just are there
[2:04:45] safeguards for if you see somebody that
[2:04:47] had more than just the one or two at
[2:04:50] lunchtime?
[2:04:52] >> Definitely. So, um, we're definitely
[2:04:53] » Definitely. So, um, we're definitely
[2:04:53] going to be, uh, training all the
[2:04:55] employees for the
[2:04:59] everything that has to, um, fall within
[2:05:01] TABC limits. Um, we'll train all the
[2:05:05] employees for that. And then if there's
[2:05:06] anything extra that you guys would feel
[2:05:08] comfortable that we add, then we're open
[2:05:09] to that as well.
[2:05:17] » Motion right now.
[2:05:18] >> Yeah, we're going to do the motion. But
[2:05:20] » Yeah, we're going to do the motion. But
[2:05:20] um is there a motion regarding a
[2:05:22] variance request from Reserve Meat
[2:05:24] Market for alcohol sales at 22824
[2:05:27] Hudsmith Corville Road, Tom Ball, Texas
[2:05:30] due the proximity
[2:05:32] of a public school property?
[2:05:35] >> Second.
[2:05:37] » Second.
[2:05:37] >> We've discussed. Any more questions from
[2:05:40] » We've discussed. Any more questions from
[2:05:40] council or we
[2:05:41] >> Yeah, we have discussion now.
[2:05:44] » Yeah, we have discussion now.
[2:05:44] >> Yes, we have. Did we not turn down a
[2:05:46] » Yes, we have. Did we not turn down a
[2:05:46] convenience store with a similar
[2:05:49] application
[2:05:51] >> at the last meeting?
[2:05:53] » at the last meeting?
[2:05:53] >> Did.
[2:05:54] » Did.
[2:05:54] >> Okay.
[2:05:54] » Okay.
[2:05:54] >> I recall.
[2:05:58] » I wouldn't have a problem with it if you
[2:06:00] couldn't drink it there.
[2:06:02] >> I mean, there's a gas station right down
[2:06:03] » I mean, there's a gas station right down
[2:06:04] the corner there that you can buy beer
[2:06:06] in and take it out,
[2:06:07] >> but you can't drink it on the premises
[2:06:10] » but you can't drink it on the premises
[2:06:10] >> and that just that bothers me being that
[2:06:13] » and that just that bothers me being that
[2:06:13] close to the school.
[2:06:14] >> Me, too. Sure.
[2:06:15] » Me, too. Sure.
[2:06:15] >> Could you change that rule where you
[2:06:16] » Could you change that rule where you
[2:06:16] cannot drink it on the premises? Would
[2:06:18] that be something y'all
[2:06:19] >> Yeah. At the end of the day? I mean,
[2:06:20] » Yeah. At the end of the day? I mean,
[2:06:20] that that's something that we're open
[2:06:21] to. We can we can work with that.
[2:06:24] Definitely.
[2:06:25] >> That even be enforced. You'd have to
[2:06:26] » That even be enforced. You'd have to
[2:06:26] have somebody in there all the time
[2:06:27] watching it because I think the
[2:06:28] customers are going to expect that,
[2:06:30] >> right?
[2:06:30] » right?
[2:06:30] >> I think they would expect that, which is
[2:06:32] » I think they would expect that, which is
[2:06:32] why we were going to go why we
[2:06:34] originally submitted the application in
[2:06:36] that way. Um, but we were prepared to go
[2:06:40] the second route. Um, at the end of the
[2:06:41] day, we're selling meat. So, we want to
[2:06:43] be able to at least sell it to people
[2:06:45] that are having their barbecues and and
[2:06:47] their cookouts. Um, not that big of a
[2:06:50] deal to let somebody know that they can
[2:06:51] drink some some alcohol. Right. Right. R
[2:06:53] right there is um if if that's what we
[2:06:55] have to do to get around it.
[2:06:59] If the variance stipulates that they
[2:07:02] cannot carry alcohol outside the the
[2:07:04] doors then
[2:07:06] >> open containment
[2:07:06] » open containment
[2:07:06] >> open
[2:07:07] » open
[2:07:07] >> open
[2:07:10] outside.
[2:07:11] >> No, at the grocery store they're going
[2:07:13] » No, at the grocery store they're going
[2:07:13] to be taking it out. They're going to go
[2:07:14] buy it.
[2:07:14] >> If they buy a 12-pack, they can't walk
[2:07:16] » If they buy a 12-pack, they can't walk
[2:07:16] out the door with it.
[2:07:18] >> That that's that's the whole premise of
[2:07:21] » That that's that's the whole premise of
[2:07:21] keeping everything inside the building.
[2:07:25] That's going to keep the humans that
[2:07:27] already drank that 12-pack inside the
[2:07:28] building.
[2:07:29] >> Yep. But at least in there you've got
[2:07:31] » Yep. But at least in there you've got
[2:07:32] them controlled. They get ced if you
[2:07:34] know if they look young.
[2:07:38] >> So So um are you saying even even um
[2:07:41] » So So um are you saying even even um
[2:07:41] taking out clothes containers like that
[2:07:44] 12-pack? You're saying you're saying
[2:07:45] that whole 12-pack has they they just
[2:07:48] they buy it and they have to consume it
[2:07:49] there on site.
[2:07:50] >> Yeah, pretty much. I mean that that's
[2:07:53] » Yeah, pretty much. I mean that that's
[2:07:53] that that's that's why that's why are
[2:07:56] there
[2:07:57] >> to protect
[2:08:02] » Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what
[2:08:04] you're saying.
[2:08:04] >> Grab a 12 pack and walking out with it.
[2:08:06] » Grab a 12 pack and walking out with it.
[2:08:06] >> I see what you're saying.
[2:08:08] » I see what you're saying.
[2:08:08] >> Well, I'll leave it up to those guys to
[2:08:10] » Well, I'll leave it up to those guys to
[2:08:10] take care of the guys that drink the
[2:08:11] 12-pack of in the restaurant. So,
[2:08:15] >> I don't have a problem with them buying
[2:08:16] » I don't have a problem with them buying
[2:08:16] it and leaving with it. I just don't
[2:08:18] want them drinking in there because I
[2:08:20] mean, you go
[2:08:22] about 400 yards down the road and
[2:08:25] there's two gas stations in each corner.
[2:08:28] >> Yeah, there is that have liquor back
[2:08:30] » Yeah, there is that have liquor back
[2:08:30] there.
[2:08:31] >> But but but the building wasn't a school
[2:08:33] » But but but the building wasn't a school
[2:08:33] when when the gas stations opened up.
[2:08:35] That that's the problem.
[2:08:38] >> You have anything?
[2:08:39] » You have anything?
[2:08:39] >> Yeah, that
[2:08:40] » Yeah, that
[2:08:40] how do you differentiate that? This is
[2:08:43] asking for a variance to buy beer and
[2:08:47] walk out with it without the without
[2:08:50] being opened versus being able to
[2:08:53] consume it there.
[2:08:54] >> So, so they would they would do that.
[2:08:55] » So, so they would they would do that.
[2:08:56] They would handle that with their TABC
[2:08:57] application. So on their TABC
[2:08:59] application rather than it being an
[2:09:01] onremise consumption, they would change
[2:09:03] it to a retail store which is strictly
[2:09:05] offremise. That's correct. People would
[2:09:07] have to correct.
[2:09:08] >> So what is our vote today is what
[2:09:10] » So what is our vote today is what
[2:09:10] >> you can add that to your motion.
[2:09:12] » you can add that to your motion.
[2:09:12] approved DABC permit for retail sales.
[2:09:16] >> Yes.
[2:09:19] » Yes.
[2:09:19] >> Not on premise consumption.
[2:09:22] » Not on premise consumption.
[2:09:22] >> That's what I vote for.
[2:09:23] » That's what I vote for.
[2:09:23] >> Yeah. That that's up to council. However
[2:09:25] » Yeah. That that's up to council. However
[2:09:25] you guys decide you want to allow
[2:09:27] everything, if you want to allow
[2:09:28] nothing, if you only want to allow on
[2:09:30] premise,
[2:09:30] >> however you word that that motion and
[2:09:32] » however you word that that motion and
[2:09:32] that approval, it's it's up to you.
[2:09:34] >> So, we're saying if I go in there and
[2:09:36] » So, we're saying if I go in there and
[2:09:36] buy some uh carnitas. Okay.
[2:09:40] >> Yeah. and I want to have a beer with it.
[2:09:42] » Yeah. and I want to have a beer with it.
[2:09:42] I can't do it.
[2:09:44] >> Correct.
[2:09:44] » Correct.
[2:09:44] >> I gotta drive home and eat it and drink
[2:09:46] » I gotta drive home and eat it and drink
[2:09:46] my beer.
[2:09:47] >> I see it.
[2:09:47] » I see it.
[2:09:47] >> Just like at a grocery store.
[2:09:49] » Just like at a grocery store.
[2:09:49] >> Just like at the gas station that sells
[2:09:51] » Just like at the gas station that sells
[2:09:51] McDonald's hamburgers.
[2:09:54] >> Our our our direct competition is um a
[2:09:57] » Our our our direct competition is um a
[2:09:57] chain called Lami Takana. And um they
[2:10:00] allow the the reason we submitted our
[2:10:03] application that way was because they
[2:10:05] allow
[2:10:06] anybody to go in there and drink it and
[2:10:08] drink alcohol. But I didn't know when we
[2:10:13] were submitting the application that it
[2:10:14] was within 300 ft of of a school. So I
[2:10:17] don't know if my direct competition has
[2:10:18] locations around schools and and maybe
[2:10:21] they have to work around it a similar
[2:10:22] way.
[2:10:26] » Councilman, I'm saying that if they want
[2:10:28] to go in and have a barbecue sandwich
[2:10:30] and drink a beer on the premises,
[2:10:33] that's okay.
[2:10:35] >> And that's the current application that
[2:10:36] » And that's the current application that
[2:10:36] they would have on file. So, I mean, if
[2:10:39] if
[2:10:39] >> that's what exactly
[2:10:40] » that's what exactly
[2:10:40] >> they have to change the their variance
[2:10:42] » they have to change the their variance
[2:10:42] request,
[2:10:44] my my position is I don't want somebody
[2:10:47] to go go in there and buy a 12-pack and
[2:10:51] leave because if you have a kid that
[2:10:52] somehow manages to get hold of of a fake
[2:10:56] ID, he can go in there, buy it, and go
[2:10:58] back to school.
[2:10:59] >> Yeah. But that's any Well, okay. Because
[2:11:01] » Yeah. But that's any Well, okay. Because
[2:11:01] you're talking about the school.
[2:11:02] >> Yeah.
[2:11:02] » Yeah.
[2:11:02] >> But that's right across the street.
[2:11:04] » But that's right across the street.
[2:11:04] >> Yeah, you you can. So that's why I'm
[2:11:06] » Yeah, you you can. So that's why I'm
[2:11:06] saying I don't want I just don't want a
[2:11:08] container in there.
[2:11:11] >> I I would like to add that the the
[2:11:13] » I I would like to add that the the
[2:11:13] school is so we're on the main on
[2:11:15] Huffsmith Corville and there there's no
[2:11:17] sidewalks. There's no um you know the
[2:11:20] school is a it's an innovation center.
[2:11:22] Um and it's a building halfway down. Um
[2:11:27] >> but they're building another school
[2:11:29] » but they're building another school
[2:11:29] there closer to you.
[2:11:30] >> Oh, are they?
[2:11:30] » Oh, are they?
[2:11:30] >> Yeah. I bet you I missed that meeting.
[2:11:33] » Yeah. I bet you I missed that meeting.
[2:11:34] They're gun school.
[2:11:35] >> Okay.
[2:11:36] » Okay.
[2:11:36] >> This way. Although it is intermediate
[2:11:38] » This way. Although it is intermediate
[2:11:38] and
[2:11:39] >> see we we we
[2:11:41] » see we we we
[2:11:41] voted down a similar request two weeks
[2:11:44] ago.
[2:11:45] >> Okay.
[2:11:45] » Okay.
[2:11:45] >> Right.
[2:11:47] » Right.
[2:11:47] >> But I think the reason we voted down
[2:11:49] » But I think the reason we voted down
[2:11:49] that guy kind of told us story when he
[2:11:52] said he wasn't going to make it to go to
[2:11:54] a gas station.
[2:11:57] But it it's it's from my perception it's
[2:12:01] the same issue just because the guy may
[2:12:05] have not
[2:12:08] been as forthcoming
[2:12:10] as what he should have been and that
[2:12:12] aggravated a few of us but it's it's
[2:12:15] still the same premise.
[2:12:17] >> Yes. So currently Mr. Harris what's the
[2:12:20] » Yes. So currently Mr. Harris what's the
[2:12:20] motion? So currently right now the
[2:12:22] motion would be to approve the sale of
[2:12:23] alcohol and it would include what is on
[2:12:27] his current application which is what on
[2:12:29] his current application is for wine and
[2:12:31] malt beverage on premise permit
[2:12:35] >> to drive away with it. anti drive.
[2:12:39] » to drive away with it. anti drive.
[2:12:39] >> Yeah.
[2:12:40] » Yeah.
[2:12:40] >> I mean that would be covered under
[2:12:43] » I mean that would be covered under
[2:12:43] >> so council could
[2:12:45] » so council could
[2:12:45] >> withdraw the motion and just he could re
[2:12:48] » withdraw the motion and just he could re
[2:12:48] and say enter the motion as
[2:12:51] >> I believe the other option being
[2:12:53] » I believe the other option being
[2:12:53] discussed is you know alcohol sales for
[2:12:55] off- premise only in which case Mr.
[2:12:58] Sandival would have to submit a revised
[2:13:01] or new application because this one
[2:13:02] hasn't been approved that would be just
[2:13:04] for off- premise under TABC. So would it
[2:13:07] be if we decide to do that would then we
[2:13:10] vote this down and he has to come back
[2:13:11] with a revised
[2:13:14] >> No, you could approve it tonight with
[2:13:15] » No, you could approve it tonight with
[2:13:15] that condition and um either either uh
[2:13:19] Councilwoman Coington and uh Councilman
[2:13:22] Parr could withdraw their motion and
[2:13:23] enter that as the new motion. That would
[2:13:26] be the easiest thing to do
[2:13:28] >> and to approve the variance with the off
[2:13:30] » and to approve the variance with the off
[2:13:30] off premise consumption only. And just
[2:13:32] so I know uh what what to do if if it
[2:13:35] were denied, would I have to reach back
[2:13:38] out to um council for for Tombball ISD
[2:13:41] and and request something different in
[2:13:43] their in their um wording since they
[2:13:47] already approved it or or
[2:13:49] >> I wouldn't think so since he's already
[2:13:50] » I wouldn't think so since he's already
[2:13:50] approved for both inhouse and and
[2:13:53] >> corrective.
[2:13:55] » corrective.
[2:13:56] >> That's correct.
[2:13:56] » That's correct.
[2:13:56] >> Because we're minimizing that risk.
[2:13:58] » Because we're minimizing that risk.
[2:13:58] >> Okay. Okay. Um,
[2:14:01] » Okay. Okay. Um,
[2:14:01] what do you prefer? Which one?
[2:14:04] >> Um, well, really, we can work with
[2:14:06] » Um, well, really, we can work with
[2:14:06] either one.
[2:14:09] >> I want you to
[2:14:09] » I want you to
[2:14:10] >> I think I think not not more of the
[2:14:12] » I think I think not not more of the
[2:14:12] money, but um don't want for people to
[2:14:16] come in there and and just leave
[2:14:18] untasteful. So whether that is somebody
[2:14:20] coming in there like like a council
[2:14:22] member here and seeing that people are
[2:14:24] drinking alcohol really close to a
[2:14:26] school or somebody else coming in there
[2:14:29] and seeing that they can drink their
[2:14:30] beer with with um
[2:14:33] with with their meal. So I don't think
[2:14:35] there's a a right or wrong answer. I
[2:14:36] think it's just making an answer. Yeah.
[2:14:40] So, does council prefer that we make it
[2:14:42] where they cannot consume alcohol on
[2:14:45] site and have to leave with it like any
[2:14:48] snore?
[2:14:51] That's what we agree. You got the
[2:14:52] motion. That's your motion.
[2:14:55] >> Well, my motion is is exactly as their
[2:14:57] » Well, my motion is is exactly as their
[2:14:57] application is right now, which is on
[2:14:59] premise and drive away with it. Wii
[2:15:02] which Okay. Um
[2:15:05] I can withdraw my motion if that's what
[2:15:07] council wants. I would still prefer that
[2:15:09] motion to be voted on. That's my
[2:15:10] preference. That's why I got the motion
[2:15:12] not to amend it to
[2:15:15] allow one or the other. It's not that's
[2:15:17] not my preference. I'm not going to do
[2:15:18] that. I'm not going to amend my motion
[2:15:20] to have one or the other. I could
[2:15:21] withdraw it or we could vote on it and
[2:15:23] it can get whatever you want, but um or
[2:15:26] I could just withdraw it. I don't I
[2:15:28] don't personally want alcohol there at
[2:15:30] all. I understand it's just up the
[2:15:31] street, but had I been on had that not
[2:15:34] been grandfathered in, I would have
[2:15:36] voted no for that as well.
[2:15:39] >> So then procedurally, if that were to
[2:15:40] » So then procedurally, if that were to
[2:15:40] happen, okay, we you vote on this
[2:15:43] motion. If it passes, we move on. If it
[2:15:46] fails, then someone could enter another
[2:15:48] motion to reconsider item or reconsider
[2:15:50] the item tonight and enter the motion
[2:15:53] for off off premise.
[2:15:55] >> Well, I say we we go ahead and vote on
[2:15:57] » Well, I say we we go ahead and vote on
[2:15:57] this motion that we have. Okay.
[2:16:01] >> And can you repeat that so I know I'm
[2:16:03] » And can you repeat that so I know I'm
[2:16:03] making
[2:16:04] >> So tonight because you can't make an
[2:16:06] » So tonight because you can't make an
[2:16:06] amendment. The amendment has to be
[2:16:08] gerine to the motion.
[2:16:09] >> So since you can't do that in this
[2:16:11] » So since you can't do that in this
[2:16:12] situation, right?
[2:16:12] >> Tonight would be you vote on it on the
[2:16:15] » Tonight would be you vote on it on the
[2:16:15] motion as it is, which is to approve for
[2:16:19] on premise consumption.
[2:16:21] >> Okay. If that fails, then a council
[2:16:24] » Okay. If that fails, then a council
[2:16:24] member with a motion and second could
[2:16:26] ask for a motion to reconsider, which we
[2:16:27] would just do a votes void votes voice
[2:16:30] vote I can talk and then you could enter
[2:16:34] in someone could enter in a motion to
[2:16:36] say
[2:16:36] >> okay,
[2:16:37] » okay,
[2:16:37] >> you know motion and second to approve
[2:16:39] » you know motion and second to approve
[2:16:39] for off- premise consumption only.
[2:16:42] >> Thomas, I know you keep saying on
[2:16:43] » Thomas, I know you keep saying on
[2:16:43] premise consumption. Does that go
[2:16:45] without saying that if somebody has on
[2:16:47] premise consumption that means they can
[2:16:49] also drive away with it? It it really
[2:16:51] depends on u the the the way TVC rules
[2:16:55] is it's it's on premise includes both
[2:16:58] can buy it there would
[2:16:59] >> be misled by the fact that he keeps
[2:17:01] » be misled by the fact that he keeps
[2:17:01] saying on premise on premise means drink
[2:17:04] it there and drive away with it. Okay.
[2:17:06] >> Yes.
[2:17:08] » Yes.
[2:17:08] >> Okay. Good point.
[2:17:09] » Okay. Good point.
[2:17:09] >> Right. Yes. Thank you.
[2:17:13] » Right. Yes. Thank you.
[2:17:13] >> That's what we're voting on right now.
[2:17:14] » That's what we're voting on right now.
[2:17:14] Yeah.
[2:17:16] >> Let's call for the vote.
[2:17:18] » Let's call for the vote.
[2:17:18] >> Thank you everyone.
[2:17:20] » Thank you everyone.
[2:17:20] Thank you.
[2:17:35] » Okay. Motion fails.
[2:17:39] » So now if we want to amend it, the
[2:17:42] second can
[2:17:42] >> procedurally what you would do is that
[2:17:44] » procedurally what you would do is that
[2:17:44] someone would enter a motion to
[2:17:45] reconsider the item because the item's
[2:17:47] done. So you could somebody would do a
[2:17:50] motion in a second reconsider the item.
[2:17:51] We can bring it back on the table and
[2:17:53] then enter in the new motion.
[2:17:54] >> Do we have a motion to reconsider the
[2:17:56] » Do we have a motion to reconsider the
[2:17:56] item?
[2:18:02] No. And we'll move on to the next next
[2:18:05] item
[2:18:07] number six. Consideration and action on
[2:18:11] a variance request from Corville Road
[2:18:13] LLC for alcohol sales at 22623 Huffsmith
[2:18:17] Corville Road Tomal, Texas due to
[2:18:19] proximity to a public school property.
[2:18:24] >> This is different.
[2:18:24] » This is different.
[2:18:24] >> So thank you uh
[2:18:27] » So thank you uh
[2:18:27] >> Mayor Pro Tim and council. Um so this is
[2:18:31] » Mayor Pro Tim and council. Um so this is
[2:18:31] a resubmission from um a request for
[2:18:34] resubmission from Roadstar. Uh just a
[2:18:37] brief highlight and the applicant does
[2:18:38] is here on site and um uh they have a
[2:18:42] presentation if council would would like
[2:18:43] to see it. Otherwise, they're they're
[2:18:44] here to answer questions.
[2:18:47] >> Let me do the motion.
[2:18:48] » Let me do the motion.
[2:18:48] >> Oh, apologies.
[2:18:49] » Oh, apologies.
[2:18:49] >> We'll go there.
[2:18:50] » We'll go there.
[2:18:50] >> Okay, sounds good.
[2:18:51] » Okay, sounds good.
[2:18:51] >> Is there a motion
[2:18:53] » Is there a motion
[2:18:53] >> to regard a varian request from Corville
[2:18:55] » to regard a varian request from Corville
[2:18:55] Road LLC for alcohol sales at 22623 Huff
[2:18:59] Huffmith Corville Road, Tomal, Texas,
[2:19:01] due to proximity to a public school
[2:19:04] property? Motion
[2:19:06] >> second
[2:19:06] » second
[2:19:06] >> discussion.
[2:19:09] » discussion.
[2:19:09] Do we want
[2:19:10] >> the exact same as we had two weeks ago?
[2:19:12] » the exact same as we had two weeks ago?
[2:19:12] >> It is the same one.
[2:19:13] » It is the same one.
[2:19:13] >> So, how does something get on an agenda
[2:19:15] » So, how does something get on an agenda
[2:19:15] two weeks later? Did somebody on council
[2:19:18] request it or did the mayor request it?
[2:19:20] >> I was told that they can come back as
[2:19:22] » I was told that they can come back as
[2:19:22] much time as many times they like.
[2:19:24] >> Okay. So, the applicant ask again back
[2:19:28] » Okay. So, the applicant ask again back
[2:19:28] they fill out the application, resubmit
[2:19:30] the fees. Um they're they're allowed to.
[2:19:32] Um, there are zoning variances that
[2:19:34] there's by state law there's like a
[2:19:36] one-year timer. Okay.
[2:19:37] >> Unless circumstances have changed. But
[2:19:39] » Unless circumstances have changed. But
[2:19:39] for other types of variances, if they're
[2:19:41] willing to pay the fee again and go
[2:19:42] before council again, they they have the
[2:19:44] opportunity.
[2:19:45] >> So, they pay the fee again.
[2:19:47] » So, they pay the fee again.
[2:19:47] >> Yes.
[2:19:50] » I think would we like to have the
[2:19:52] gentleman come up here and speak to us?
[2:19:54] >> No.
[2:19:57] » No.
[2:19:57] >> Councilman Par.
[2:19:59] » Councilman Par.
[2:19:59] >> Let him come up anyway.
[2:20:00] » Let him come up anyway.
[2:20:00] >> Yeah. Sir, would you like to speak?
[2:20:03] » Yeah. Sir, would you like to speak?
[2:20:03] Come on up. Give your name and address,
[2:20:05] please. Sir,
[2:20:10] » my name is Danish Manasia uh 5903
[2:20:13] Diamond Shadow Court, Rosenberg, Texas
[2:20:15] 77469.
[2:20:17] Um I would like to uh uh point out a
[2:20:20] point that last meeting it was denied
[2:20:22] because I was told that uh you know
[2:20:24] council was not uh clear of what is
[2:20:27] going to come over there. uh they had a
[2:20:29] uh you know misunderstanding that it was
[2:20:31] going to be somebody spoke to me and it
[2:20:34] was going to be a shopping center and
[2:20:35] not a gas station and so that's why I'm
[2:20:38] here to clarify that uh you know I had
[2:20:40] plans that been submitted to the city
[2:20:43] and so the construction permits are uh
[2:20:45] you know we are on on the process for
[2:20:47] getting a TABC once we get approved then
[2:20:50] the construction permit will be issued
[2:20:52] um but it's a gas station it's not a
[2:20:54] shopping center and um so I think that's
[2:20:57] what I wanted to clarify and I know uh
[2:21:00] council just uh voted on L reserva um
[2:21:04] you know so I want to also point out a
[2:21:06] fact that uh this BG permit I have about
[2:21:09] nine operating gas stations and I have
[2:21:11] experience with the same kind of permit
[2:21:13] and uh I have a I don't even have a
[2:21:15] single violation so far in any of my
[2:21:17] stores um second thing um I have a
[2:21:21] restaurant space too where we allow but
[2:21:23] most of the time I would say eight out
[2:21:26] of 10 times you know in a gas station
[2:21:27] nobody sits and drink cuz it's not
[2:21:29] specifically a restaurant but I do have
[2:21:31] a restaurant and we uh provide that
[2:21:33] option for customers to come in. Second
[2:21:35] thing is uh there's a product that
[2:21:38] everybody's aware of it's a dye to go
[2:21:40] and so TABC requires us to get that
[2:21:42] permit if we want to sell it. uh for
[2:21:44] diaries to go. Usually all of my
[2:21:46] locations we seal the packets. They
[2:21:48] cannot open or consume it on the
[2:21:50] premises. But uh just because of the
[2:21:52] nature of dairy uh instead of a BQ
[2:21:55] permit which is a regular sales permit I
[2:21:57] have to apply for BG.
[2:22:03] » Any questions?
[2:22:06] No questions.
[2:22:08] >> Thank you sir. Appreciate it.
[2:22:10] » Thank you sir. Appreciate it.
[2:22:10] >> Thank you. Let's
[2:22:11] » Thank you. Let's
[2:22:11] >> call for the vote.
[2:22:35] motion fails. One to five. I'm one to
[2:22:37] four, sir.
[2:22:40] Then
[2:22:43] we go to item number seven.
[2:22:46] Consideration of an action of resolution
[2:22:48] 2026-42,
[2:22:50] a resolution of the city of Tombal,
[2:22:52] Texas, approving and authorizing an
[2:22:54] interlocal cooperation contract between
[2:22:56] the city of Tombal and its municipal
[2:22:58] courts and the Texas Department of
[2:23:01] Public Safety. Mr. Harris, can you
[2:23:04] elaborate more on this, please, sir?
[2:23:06] >> Yes, sir. I sure can. Um the um Texas
[2:23:10] » Yes, sir. I sure can. Um the um Texas
[2:23:10] Department of Public Safety uh
[2:23:12] particularly in their driver's license
[2:23:13] division um is making a um conversion
[2:23:17] that would be effective at the first of
[2:23:19] the year um in which um
[2:23:24] this conviction reporting for for for
[2:23:26] these type of violations it rather than
[2:23:29] it being a manual process becomes an
[2:23:31] entirely digital uh process for that.
[2:23:34] Um, so it it it it allows the court to
[2:23:37] electronically submit these violations.
[2:23:39] Um, they're uploaded real time to DPS.
[2:23:42] Um, and um would allow the our municipal
[2:23:46] court to participate uh in this type of
[2:23:49] reporting feature for uh DPS. Um, it's
[2:23:53] called the Texas convention Texas
[2:23:56] conviction reporting interface. Um and
[2:24:00] uh per DPS what they're asking uh
[2:24:03] jurisdictions to do is to uh enter into
[2:24:05] a interlocal cooperation agreement uh
[2:24:09] with the municipal court. Um and so what
[2:24:11] this resolution tonight before you will
[2:24:14] do will um if if council approves it
[2:24:17] allow the mun or to participate in that
[2:24:19] electronic process which allows
[2:24:21] real-time data to be sent regarding
[2:24:23] convictions to uh uh DPS and then um
[2:24:27] authorize the city manager to uh execute
[2:24:29] the interlocal agreement or designate
[2:24:31] the court administrator or the interim
[2:24:33] board administrator to do that on on his
[2:24:36] behalf.
[2:24:38] >> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
[2:24:40] » Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
[2:24:40] resolution number 2026-42?
[2:24:45] So moved
[2:24:46] >> second
[2:24:47] » second
[2:24:47] >> discussion,
[2:24:55] you have anything you'd like to add,
[2:24:57] council woman?
[2:24:59] >> No, it's it makes life easier for the
[2:25:02] » No, it's it makes life easier for the
[2:25:02] officers and I mean that's what the gist
[2:25:06] of what I'm getting from it. It's It's a
[2:25:08] positive thing moving forward. I don't
[2:25:10] know much about it.
[2:25:14] » Councilman Parr,
[2:25:15] >> anytime you can share information, it's
[2:25:17] » anytime you can share information, it's
[2:25:17] good.
[2:25:19] >> Councilman Coington,
[2:25:20] » Councilman Coington,
[2:25:20] >> that was my exact take on it when I was
[2:25:22] » that was my exact take on it when I was
[2:25:22] reading this.
[2:25:23] >> Councilman Denn,
[2:25:23] » Councilman Denn,
[2:25:24] >> same thing.
[2:25:24] » same thing.
[2:25:24] >> Okay.
[2:25:26] » Okay.
[2:25:26] >> Call for the vote.
[2:25:36] Motion carries 5-0.
[2:25:39] >> Next item is approve resolution number
[2:25:41] » Next item is approve resolution number
[2:25:41] 2026-37,
[2:25:43] a resolution of the city of Tombball,
[2:25:45] Texas approving updates to the fiscal
[2:25:48] year 2026 2027 master fee schedule. Miss
[2:25:53] Majio, you have anything to add?
[2:25:55] >> Um, all proposed changes to the master
[2:25:57] » Um, all proposed changes to the master
[2:25:57] fee schedule were based on the actual
[2:25:59] cost of service. So when we looked at
[2:26:01] the tap fees, impact or not impact fees,
[2:26:03] tap fees, uh development fees, we looked
[2:26:05] at the actual cost of the service. Um,
[2:26:08] additionally, we just did a cleanup for
[2:26:10] the ease of use and removed any fees
[2:26:12] that were excluded due to legislative
[2:26:14] updates. The biggest note on this is
[2:26:16] that due to the utility billing cycle,
[2:26:18] these rates will go into effect on the
[2:26:20] September 15th bill that'll be through
[2:26:22] October and will be reflective on the
[2:26:24] bill issued in or due in November.
[2:26:28] >> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
[2:26:30] » Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
[2:26:30] resolution number 2026-37?
[2:26:34] Motion
[2:26:36] >> second.
[2:26:37] » second.
[2:26:37] >> Discussion.
[2:26:44] Councilman Dunan. Anything to add?
[2:26:48] Councilwoman.
[2:26:51] Councilman Park. Councilman Cington.
[2:26:55] Call for the vote.
[2:27:09] Motion carries 5.
[2:27:11] >> Thank you.
[2:27:13] » Thank you.
[2:27:13] Approve resolution number 2026-39,
[2:27:16] a resolution of the city of Tombball,
[2:27:19] Texas, adopting the city of Tombball's
[2:27:21] fiscal year 2027 through 2031
[2:27:26] capital improvement plan. Miss Majio,
[2:27:30] >> um this is just the annual update that
[2:27:32] » um this is just the annual update that
[2:27:32] we do every year um to reflect the
[2:27:35] changing needs, project priorities,
[2:27:36] available funding. Um the projects that
[2:27:39] were included in this one are
[2:27:40] encompassing between water, wastewater,
[2:27:42] drainage, anything that has been
[2:27:43] presented in our previously adopted
[2:27:45] master plans.
[2:27:47] >> Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
[2:27:49] » Thank you. Is there a motion to approve
[2:27:49] resolution number 2026-39?
[2:27:53] » Motion.
[2:27:54] >> Second
[2:27:55] » Second
[2:27:55] >> discussion.
[2:27:58] » discussion.
[2:27:58] Appears to be none. Call for the vote.
[2:28:12] Motion carries 5-0.
[2:28:14] >> Thank you. Next item. Ratify the
[2:28:18] » Thank you. Next item. Ratify the
[2:28:18] financial year 2026 2027 budget and find
[2:28:22] that the pro proposed tax rate of
[2:28:26] 34940
[2:28:29] per $100 exceeds the no new revenue tax
[2:28:33] rate and will generate more property tax
[2:28:36] revenue than the financial year 2026
[2:28:40] 2025 through 2026 budget.
[2:28:43] Sir,
[2:28:44] >> yes. This item will ratify the uh the
[2:28:49] » yes. This item will ratify the uh the
[2:28:49] current tax rate that we currently are
[2:28:51] uh using for this year as our rate for
[2:28:54] next year's budget and it just ratifies
[2:28:57] it in as used as the rate that we
[2:28:59] calculated our budget for next year
[2:29:02] with.
[2:29:04] >> Thank you sir. Is there a motion to
[2:29:05] » Thank you sir. Is there a motion to
[2:29:06] ratify the financial year 2026 2027
[2:29:08] budget and find that the proposed
[2:29:10] proposed tax rate of 340940 per $100
[2:29:15] exceeds the no new revenue tax rate and
[2:29:18] will generate more property tax revenue
[2:29:22] than the financial year 2025 through
[2:29:25] 2026 budget.
[2:29:28] Motion
[2:29:29] >> second
[2:29:30] » second
[2:29:30] >> discussion.
[2:29:31] » discussion.
[2:29:32] Could we explain to everybody how that
[2:29:34] we're not increasing taxes, but we are
[2:29:36] increasing taxes?
[2:29:38] So, so what happens is your property
[2:29:41] values will actually go up next year.
[2:29:44] So, if you have a $300,000 house, maybe
[2:29:48] this year's uh price value of your
[2:29:51] property may be 330,000.
[2:29:53] And so even though your tax rate is the
[2:29:56] same as it is next year as it is this
[2:29:59] year, you'll actually pay a little bit
[2:30:00] more because your actual value of your
[2:30:03] house has gone up.
[2:30:04] >> And who sets those values?
[2:30:08] » And who sets those values?
[2:30:08] >> The county does.
[2:30:09] » The county does.
[2:30:09] >> That's right. Not the city of
[2:30:11] » That's right. Not the city of
[2:30:11] >> No, no. The only thing we do is set the
[2:30:13] » No, no. The only thing we do is set the
[2:30:13] property tax rate as calculated. And as
[2:30:17] this year, we chose to keep the tax rate
[2:30:19] the same as our current year. But just
[2:30:21] to clarify, the county appraisal
[2:30:24] district.
[2:30:24] >> County appraisal. Correct.
[2:30:26] » County appraisal. Correct.
[2:30:26] >> Yes.
[2:30:27] » Yes.
[2:30:28] >> Thank you.
[2:30:28] » Thank you.
[2:30:28] >> And that not everybody's
[2:30:31] » And that not everybody's
[2:30:31] values do go up.
[2:30:32] >> Correct.
[2:30:32] » Correct.
[2:30:32] >> Things happen. Just depends on what the
[2:30:35] » Things happen. Just depends on what the
[2:30:35] county appraisal district decides.
[2:30:37] >> And I'd also like to mention that the
[2:30:39] » And I'd also like to mention that the
[2:30:39] the final hearing to ratify our property
[2:30:42] tax rate will be Monday, September 8th
[2:30:46] at 6 PM in our council chambers.
[2:30:51] Tuesday. Tuesday.
[2:30:52] >> Well, I appreciate that because I mean,
[2:30:55] » Well, I appreciate that because I mean,
[2:30:55] as Mr. Danny Hudson said, Facebook
[2:30:57] warriors like to come out and tell
[2:30:59] everybody how that we raise taxes and I
[2:31:03] want to make sure everybody knows
[2:31:05] publicly that we did not raise taxes.
[2:31:07] Harris County Appraisal Tax.
[2:31:10] >> That is correct. That is correct.
[2:31:12] » That is correct. That is correct.
[2:31:12] >> Thank you, sir. Do Do you happen to know
[2:31:14] » Thank you, sir. Do Do you happen to know
[2:31:14] the amount of properties coming on the
[2:31:16] tax roll for the first time for next
[2:31:19] year?
[2:31:20] I believe it was a um hundred and
[2:31:23] something million dollars. Yeah. I don't
[2:31:24] know.
[2:31:29] But council woman, you have anything to
[2:31:31] add?
[2:31:32] >> Anything else?
[2:31:35] » Anything else?
[2:31:35] >> Let's call for the vote.
[2:31:44] » Motion carries 5-0.
[2:31:47] Next item, adopt.155156
[2:31:51] as the portion of the 2026 tax rate to
[2:31:55] fund the interest and syncing fund which
[2:31:58] is known as a debt service for the
[2:32:00] fiscal year 2026
[2:32:03] 2027.
[2:32:05] Yes sir.
[2:32:05] >> This is the portion of said tax rate
[2:32:09] » This is the portion of said tax rate
[2:32:09] of.34
[2:32:11] um that is allocated only toward debt
[2:32:14] service. It's the only reason that we
[2:32:16] can that's the only purpose that we can
[2:32:18] use these funds for. And so um this is
[2:32:21] just the adoption of that rate for our
[2:32:23] debt service payments. Okay. Is there a
[2:32:27] motion to adopt.155156
[2:32:29] of the portion of the 2026 tax rate to
[2:32:32] fund the interest and syncing fund for
[2:32:35] fiscal year 2026
[2:32:37] 2027?
[2:32:40] >> Motion.
[2:32:42] » Motion.
[2:32:42] Second
[2:32:43] >> discussion.
[2:32:46] There's no discussions necessary.
[2:32:50] Call for the vote.
[2:33:00] Motion passes 50.
[2:33:03] Thank you. Next item. adopt
[2:33:05] 185784 as the portion of the 2026 tax
[2:33:10] rate to fund the maintenance and
[2:33:12] operation the M fund for fiscal year
[2:33:16] 2026
[2:33:17] 2027
[2:33:19] >> and this is the portion of the tax rate
[2:33:21] » and this is the portion of the tax rate
[2:33:21] that will be used for maintenance and
[2:33:23] operation of the city funds and spending
[2:33:27] and whatever we need within our general
[2:33:28] fund. These two rates together, the debt
[2:33:31] rate in this will equal do equal our
[2:33:34] 340940
[2:33:35] rate that the citizens will see on their
[2:33:38] tax bills.
[2:33:40] >> Thank you. Is there a motion to adopt
[2:33:43] » Thank you. Is there a motion to adopt
[2:33:43] 185784 as the portion of the 2026 tax
[2:33:47] rate to fund the maintenance and
[2:33:50] operation fund for fiscal year 2026
[2:33:53] 2027?
[2:33:57] » Motion.
[2:33:59] Second
[2:34:00] >> discussion.
[2:34:04] This is the just for clarification
[2:34:06] purposes. This is the part of the tax
[2:34:08] rate that is affected by the our tax
[2:34:11] rate. I mean the sinking fund is that
[2:34:14] debt is whatever it is. Correct.
[2:34:15] Correct. That rate. So we can't move
[2:34:17] anything on.
[2:34:18] >> Yes. The we we resubmit uh all the
[2:34:20] » Yes. The we we resubmit uh all the
[2:34:20] information to the county and they
[2:34:22] actually calculate what our debt rate
[2:34:24] is. And in this case, the debt rate
[2:34:28] calculated to 1.55.
[2:34:30] We knew we wanted, we tried, we built
[2:34:32] our budget around the 34 rate. And so
[2:34:35] our M rate actually just came in the
[2:34:37] difference between that and what the
[2:34:39] debt rate is.
[2:34:39] >> Okay. Thank you. Any any questions?
[2:34:43] » Okay. Thank you. Any any questions?
[2:34:43] >> No. Call for the vote.
[2:34:52] » Motion carries 5.
[2:34:54] >> Okay. Next item, conduct a public
[2:34:56] » Okay. Next item, conduct a public
[2:34:56] hearing regarding the proposal 2026 tax
[2:34:59] rate of.34940
[2:35:03] per $100 assessed value for the city of
[2:35:06] comball, Texas.
[2:35:08] >> And this is just the public hearing
[2:35:10] » And this is just the public hearing
[2:35:10] portion of the adoption of our tax rate.
[2:35:14] So, um I guess you'll need to open up
[2:35:16] the the floor as a public hearing.
[2:35:20] >> Yeah. The time now is 7:14 p.m. We will
[2:35:24] » Yeah. The time now is 7:14 p.m. We will
[2:35:24] we will open public hearing
[2:35:27] >> and mayor proton we don't have anyone
[2:35:29] » and mayor proton we don't have anyone
[2:35:29] pre-signed yet.
[2:35:30] >> So it is now 74
[2:35:33] » So it is now 74
[2:35:33] and a half p.m. and we will close the
[2:35:36] public hearing.
[2:35:39] No action will be taken.
[2:35:42] Shen, can you check Zoom to make sure
[2:35:45] that the audience can see the screen?
[2:35:52] Can I move forward?
[2:35:56] Sh my hand.
[2:35:59] >> Okay. Okay. Next item. Adopt on reading
[2:36:03] » Okay. Okay. Next item. Adopt on reading
[2:36:03] ordinance number 2026-35
[2:36:06] an ordinance of the city of Tombal,
[2:36:08] Texas setting the tax levy of 340940
[2:36:13] per $100 of value assessed for the year
[2:36:16] 2026
[2:36:17] on all taxable real and personal
[2:36:20] property located in the city of Tomball,
[2:36:24] Texas. Providing for penalties,
[2:36:26] interest, and additional penalties on
[2:36:28] taxes not timely paid. and providing
[2:36:31] other matters related to the subject.
[2:36:35] >> Yes, this is the ordinance that actually
[2:36:37] » Yes, this is the ordinance that actually
[2:36:37] adopts our property tax rate um for next
[2:36:42] year and there is a motion that I
[2:36:44] provided that could please be read into
[2:36:46] the uh minutes so that uh that motion
[2:36:49] can be passed.
[2:36:52] I move that the property tax rate of
[2:36:55] 340940
[2:36:57] be adopted for fiscal year 2027 which is
[2:37:00] equal to the tax rate approved for last
[2:37:02] year.
[2:37:03] >> Second
[2:37:07] » discussion.
[2:37:08] >> I'd like to thank the city manager and
[2:37:11] » I'd like to thank the city manager and
[2:37:11] all the department heads for doing this.
[2:37:15] We know y'all had to sharpen your
[2:37:16] pencils to keep it cut away. Thank you,
[2:37:19] David. I mean, I know we ask you to do
[2:37:22] it, but it's hard to do.
[2:37:24] >> Yeah. No, absolutely.
[2:37:25] » Yeah. No, absolutely.
[2:37:25] >> We spent hours,
[2:37:28] » We spent hours,
[2:37:28] months, hours at time. Thank you guys
[2:37:31] for all you did.
[2:37:33] >> Yeah. The citizens don't realize how
[2:37:35] » Yeah. The citizens don't realize how
[2:37:35] complicated it is to keep it flat.
[2:37:38] >> David's got some gray hair now
[2:37:42] » David's got some gray hair now
[2:37:42] >> and a couple of them have no hair.
[2:37:45] » and a couple of them have no hair.
[2:37:45] >> Thank you to the council.
[2:37:47] » Thank you to the council.
[2:37:47] The main focus the infrastructure drain
[2:37:50] energy waste water.
[2:37:53] » Very good.
[2:37:58] » Let's call for the vote.
[2:38:03] » Of course I did.
[2:38:06] >> Motion carries 5.
[2:38:08] » Motion carries 5.
[2:38:08] >> Okay.
[2:38:09] » Okay.
[2:38:09] >> Next item. Adopt on first reading
[2:38:11] » Next item. Adopt on first reading
[2:38:11] ordinance number 2026-37
[2:38:14] an ordinance of the city of Tombal,
[2:38:16] Texas, amending chapter 46, article 4 of
[2:38:20] the city of Tombball code of ordinance
[2:38:22] to establish conservation and reuse
[2:38:25] credits of water and wastewater impact
[2:38:27] fees as authorized by chapter 395 of the
[2:38:31] Texas local government code. providing
[2:38:33] for severability, making findings of
[2:38:35] facts, providing for enforcement,
[2:38:38] providing an effective date, and
[2:38:39] providing for other related manner. Miss
[2:38:43] Draftman.
[2:38:44] >> Oh, it's mine, but that's okay.
[2:38:45] » Oh, it's mine, but that's okay.
[2:38:45] >> Oh, sorry.
[2:38:47] » Oh, sorry.
[2:38:47] >> Uh, this ordinance is just implementing
[2:38:48] » Uh, this ordinance is just implementing
[2:38:48] the requirements of Senate Bill 14 that
[2:38:51] was enacted during the 89th Texas
[2:38:52] legislation in 2025. Um, so this is just
[2:38:56] kind of finishing up the impact ves and
[2:38:58] how we're going to adopt them,
[2:38:59] especially since we're heading into our
[2:39:00] impact v update. Um the proposed
[2:39:02] ordinance will just establish any
[2:39:04] eligibility criteria um application
[2:39:06] requirements and the methodology for
[2:39:08] calculating any credits that would be
[2:39:09] due for reuse.
[2:39:12] >> Thank you.
[2:39:14] » Thank you.
[2:39:14] >> Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
[2:39:17] » Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
[2:39:17] 2026-37?
[2:39:20] >> Motion second.
[2:39:21] » Motion second.
[2:39:22] >> Discussion.
[2:39:25] Let's call for the vote.
[2:39:36] Motion carries 5-0.
[2:39:38] >> Council, I did want to just say thank
[2:39:40] » Council, I did want to just say thank
[2:39:40] you for uh passing that ordinance. We
[2:39:43] Tomball always likes to set the example
[2:39:45] and so we've set the example for our
[2:39:47] surrounding areas. We are one of the
[2:39:48] first ones in the area to now have an
[2:39:50] ordinance on reuse credits. So now we
[2:39:52] will be an example for all surrounding
[2:39:54] areas.
[2:39:54] >> Awesome. Thank you.
[2:39:56] » Awesome. Thank you.
[2:39:56] >> Thank you for bringing that to us. I was
[2:39:57] » Thank you for bringing that to us. I was
[2:39:57] excited when I was reading about this
[2:39:59] last week.
[2:40:00] >> Yeah.
[2:40:01] » Yeah.
[2:40:01] >> All about reuse and conservation.
[2:40:05] » All about reuse and conservation.
[2:40:06] >> Awesome. Thank you so much. Next item.
[2:40:08] » Awesome. Thank you so much. Next item.
[2:40:08] Adopt on first reading ordinance
[2:40:10] 2026-38.
[2:40:11] An ordinance of the city of Tombal,
[2:40:14] Texas aiming chapter 46.
[2:40:18] Drew, is this your item? You want to
[2:40:19] expand on it? Fine. Or you rather than
[2:40:22] say it all, let me
[2:40:23] >> Yeah, it's fine. Um, this is just to
[2:40:25] » Yeah, it's fine. Um, this is just to
[2:40:25] establish a policy for the city
[2:40:27] participation in the cost of oversized
[2:40:29] water and wastewater lines. So, when we
[2:40:31] have a developer that comes to us and
[2:40:34] they may be I'm just going to explain
[2:40:35] it. It's probably easier. Um, they may
[2:40:37] have to install a 6-in line, but our
[2:40:39] master plan says we need a 16inch line.
[2:40:42] The city will pay for the pipe
[2:40:43] difference. So, this is just putting
[2:40:45] this the practice into policy so that we
[2:40:47] have something to actually push out.
[2:40:49] >> Gotcha. Is there a motion to adopt
[2:40:52] » Gotcha. Is there a motion to adopt
[2:40:52] ordinance number 2026-38?
[2:40:55] >> Motion.
[2:40:58] » Motion.
[2:40:58] >> Second
[2:40:59] » Second
[2:40:59] >> discussion
[2:41:02] » discussion
[2:41:02] to to to reiterate when I was reading
[2:41:04] about this last week and I talked to
[2:41:06] David about it. He really mentioned that
[2:41:08] this is just kind of codifying what
[2:41:09] we're already doing.
[2:41:10] >> Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I
[2:41:11] » Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I
[2:41:11] thought we were already doing this.
[2:41:13] >> Said that, but I was just
[2:41:14] » Said that, but I was just
[2:41:14] >> You approved one earlier for South
[2:41:16] » You approved one earlier for South
[2:41:16] Pimmen
[2:41:17] >> when we extended that sewer line. Then
[2:41:19] » when we extended that sewer line. Then
[2:41:19] we required an eight, but we required a
[2:41:21] 16 due to the master plan. So we pay for
[2:41:23] pipe material only. This really puts
[2:41:25] everything in writing and so
[2:41:28] we're
[2:41:29] >> catching up to it to us is what you're
[2:41:31] » catching up to it to us is what you're
[2:41:31] saying.
[2:41:31] >> No, we'll still come to you with those
[2:41:33] » No, we'll still come to you with those
[2:41:33] development agreements, but this now
[2:41:34] puts it in writing to where if a
[2:41:36] developer comes to us and says, "Well,
[2:41:38] what's the rule?" We can immediately
[2:41:40] hand them the rule.
[2:41:41] >> Oh, okay.
[2:41:42] » Oh, okay.
[2:41:42] >> Okay, that makes sense.
[2:41:44] » Okay, that makes sense.
[2:41:44] >> No more argument. Find out what find out
[2:41:46] » No more argument. Find out what find out
[2:41:46] what size pipe you're going to use
[2:41:47] before you hand them the rule.
[2:41:50] >> That's all done by engineering
[2:41:52] » That's all done by engineering
[2:41:52] calculations. So they they can't fit
[2:41:54] they can't stretch the numbers too much
[2:41:56] on that. So
[2:41:58] >> good. Let's call for the vote.
[2:42:07] » Motion carries 5.
[2:42:10] Thank you. The next item is to approve
[2:42:11] the expenditure greater than $100,000
[2:42:14] with Axiom Enterprise, Inc. for the
[2:42:16] annual renewal contract. The contract
[2:42:19] starts October 2026 and runs through
[2:42:23] 2030.
[2:42:25] Chief Davis, can you add to it?
[2:42:28] >> Yes. This right here is just our annual
[2:42:30] » Yes. This right here is just our annual
[2:42:30] renewal for this. It's actually a
[2:42:32] five-year contract where we that we're
[2:42:34] doing for five years. By doing this, let
[2:42:36] me explain what a Axon is if anybody
[2:42:38] don't know. It's our body cam
[2:42:40] >> and our dash cam and to use this so we
[2:42:42] » and our dash cam and to use this so we
[2:42:42] can be uh totally transparent to the
[2:42:44] public. Uh this this also helps us with
[2:42:47] uh when our tasers are activated or when
[2:42:49] our lights come on in our cars that body
[2:42:51] cam automatically comes on. So it's set
[2:42:53] to protect the police but also be
[2:42:55] transparent with the public for what we
[2:42:57] doing. And um they're pretty stable uh
[2:42:59] body cams as well. I know some people
[2:43:01] had some questions about why do we go to
[2:43:03] that but Axon for right now has been the
[2:43:05] number one thing that we've had across
[2:43:07] the nation and also uh the stability of
[2:43:09] it. When we first tried this for some
[2:43:11] new companies when it first started
[2:43:12] about six or seven years ago if somebody
[2:43:15] hit me my body cam went flying this way
[2:43:17] and nobody could tell what really
[2:43:18] happened. Did did at the time Sergeant
[2:43:20] Davis beat somebody up or did he really
[2:43:22] knock it off? But we have a new um we
[2:43:26] have like a lot of new uh technology. So
[2:43:28] let me explain one technology to this
[2:43:29] that that we love and then just talk
[2:43:31] about it. We also have on this body
[2:43:33] camera now we have translation. So if I
[2:43:36] need to speak to someone say I'm
[2:43:38] speaking in Spanish and we need to
[2:43:39] translate and I can't speak uh I can't
[2:43:40] speak the language it has translation on
[2:43:42] the body cam itself.
[2:43:44] >> Oh wow.
[2:43:44] » Oh wow.
[2:43:44] >> Yeah. And it has over 50 languages to it
[2:43:46] » Yeah. And it has over 50 languages to it
[2:43:46] and so we can have translation between
[2:43:48] that and the so I can speak it turn it
[2:43:50] on. So I believe it's it's it's money
[2:43:52] well spent um and what we doing and
[2:43:54] everything else. So that's uh and it
[2:43:56] also what it also does that I really
[2:43:58] love about it as being the chief is that
[2:44:00] when all any of our officers are down or
[2:44:02] we can't respond to them on the radio uh
[2:44:05] we can we can zoom in into that camera
[2:44:07] and we can zoom into the dash camera and
[2:44:09] if not they're not responding we have an
[2:44:10] officer down we can actually look at
[2:44:12] live feed and see where our officer at
[2:44:14] because they're not answering the radio.
[2:44:15] So this is why we want to renew this
[2:44:17] contract.
[2:44:17] >> Let me do this. Is there a motion to
[2:44:19] » Let me do this. Is there a motion to
[2:44:19] approve the expenditure greater than
[2:44:21] $100,000 with Axim Enterprise for annual
[2:44:24] review renewal contract?
[2:44:26] >> So moved.
[2:44:27] » So moved.
[2:44:27] >> Second.
[2:44:28] » Second.
[2:44:28] >> Okay, let's continue our discussion. Um,
[2:44:33] » so you can speak English and it can
[2:44:37] speak Chinese to you.
[2:44:39] >> You want to demonstrate? We we brought
[2:44:40] » You want to demonstrate? We we brought
[2:44:40] just in case you want to de demonstrate.
[2:44:42] We want we just we anticipated if y'all
[2:44:43] wanted to see it.
[2:44:46] >> That's cool.
[2:44:47] » That's cool.
[2:44:47] >> Huh? Yeah, I can speak Spanish.
[2:44:49] » Huh? Yeah, I can speak Spanish.
[2:44:49] >> Okay.
[2:44:50] » Okay.
[2:44:50] >> You want me to say something to you?
[2:44:51] » You want me to say something to you?
[2:44:51] >> I'll get started.
[2:44:54] » I'll get started.
[2:44:54] >> Okay.
[2:44:56] » Okay.
[2:44:56] >> We just want to get you on camera.
[2:44:58] » We just want to get you on camera.
[2:44:58] >> Yeah.
[2:45:00] » Yeah.
[2:45:00] >> Let me get in here.
[2:45:03] » Let me get in here.
[2:45:03] >> Speed around. Hookie move.
[2:45:06] » Speed around. Hookie move.
[2:45:06] >> Translate to Spanish.
[2:45:10] » Spanish.
[2:45:11] >> That mic.
[2:45:14] » That mic.
[2:45:14] >> How you doing tonight?
[2:45:17] » How you doing tonight?
[2:45:17] >> Hold on.
[2:45:34] Oh, how are you? Why are you stopping
[2:45:37] me? What happened?
[2:45:39] >> What happened? Why did you stop him?
[2:45:41] » What happened? Why did you stop him?
[2:45:41] What happened?
[2:45:44] Did it get in? Oh,
[2:45:47] >> I talk now.
[2:45:48] » I talk now.
[2:45:48] >> Oh, come on. It's going to translate the
[2:45:50] » Oh, come on. It's going to translate the
[2:45:50] Spanish.
[2:45:55] » Once you hear the beeping, you can talk.
[2:45:56] Ready?
[2:45:58] >> Yes. Goes off the language hears.
[2:46:09] » What are we going to do? Are you going
[2:46:11] to I have money for you.
[2:46:18] » Thank you.
[2:46:21] >> That's really cool. That's awesome.
[2:46:25] » That's really cool. That's awesome.
[2:46:25] >> That's pretty cool.
[2:46:29] » That's pretty cool.
[2:46:31] >> That is great.
[2:46:33] » That is great.
[2:46:33] >> Just another part of the tools that we
[2:46:34] » Just another part of the tools that we
[2:46:34] use for the job that we have with 50
[2:46:36] different languages, but we just tried
[2:46:38] one. So that's why we need this contract
[2:46:40] renewed for 5 years. Also, I want to say
[2:46:42] by renewing this for the five years,
[2:46:44] we're saving $59,000 with Axon as well
[2:46:47] by doing it. And that's a savings of
[2:46:49] $59,000 additional that we're saving
[2:46:51] with this
[2:46:51] >> instead of going year to year.
[2:46:53] » instead of going year to year.
[2:46:53] >> Yes, sir.
[2:46:54] » Yes, sir.
[2:46:54] >> Fantastic.
[2:46:55] » Fantastic.
[2:46:55] >> Thank you.
[2:47:00] » Councilman, can I add one more thing?
[2:47:01] >> Yes, sir. With that being said, also
[2:47:04] » Yes, sir. With that being said, also
[2:47:04] within there, everything, all of our
[2:47:06] equipment gets renewed when the lifespan
[2:47:10] ends within that contract. So, if they
[2:47:13] come out with a new camera tomorrow,
[2:47:16] they upgrade us across the board with
[2:47:18] the latest and greatest stuff. That's
[2:47:19] the same contract we had before, sir.
[2:47:22] So, thank you.
[2:47:24] >> Any other questions?
[2:47:27] » Any other questions?
[2:47:28] Call for the vote.
[2:47:36] Motion carries 5.
[2:47:39] >> Next item, consideration of an action of
[2:47:41] » Next item, consideration of an action of
[2:47:41] ordinance 2026-39,
[2:47:44] an ordinance of the city of council of
[2:47:46] the city of Tombball, Texas, amending
[2:47:48] chapter 32, settlers and solicitors, and
[2:47:52] chapter 48, vehicle for hire of the code
[2:47:55] of ordinance of the city of Tombball,
[2:47:57] amending article 2, chapter 32.
[2:48:00] Mr. Harris, can you elaborate more on
[2:48:02] this?
[2:48:03] >> Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Uh, just a
[2:48:05] » Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim. Uh, just a
[2:48:05] brief overview. Um, so the purpose of
[2:48:07] this particular um um ordinance before
[2:48:10] you on first reading is to align our
[2:48:13] city code with uh state statutes um
[2:48:16] particularly local government code uh
[2:48:18] chapter uh 411 section 122.
[2:48:22] um and to also standardize some
[2:48:24] licensing terminology um and then an
[2:48:28] effort to improve efficiencies uh
[2:48:30] eliminating uh certain redundancies. So
[2:48:32] under chapter 32 um in order to come in
[2:48:36] line with uh what the state code
[2:48:38] basically says is that uh in order to
[2:48:40] conduct the type of background checks
[2:48:42] that we conduct which is the fingerprint
[2:48:44] licensing uh for a peddler or vendor's
[2:48:46] permit. Um basically the terminology the
[2:48:50] the needs to change to where it's for a
[2:48:52] license that only the city can issue. Um
[2:48:55] and so there's no standardized uh uh uh
[2:48:59] you know permit that they can they can
[2:49:00] get from or license that they can get
[2:49:02] from the state since this is a local
[2:49:04] regulation. So in order to come
[2:49:06] compliant with that aspect of the
[2:49:07] government code um if council would like
[2:49:10] to uh for staff to continue to do the
[2:49:12] fingerprint uh background checks um then
[2:49:15] our code needs to to be modified under
[2:49:17] chapter 32 for peddlers and vendors um
[2:49:20] changing it from a permit to an actual
[2:49:23] uh license. So this way um when we go
[2:49:26] into the system we can still do the the
[2:49:28] background checks with DPS that gives a
[2:49:30] full background check which also
[2:49:31] includes uh a search of the FBI uh uh
[2:49:34] database.
[2:49:37] Um for the chapter 48 uh what what uh uh
[2:49:42] staff is suggesting is uh actual removal
[2:49:45] of the fingerprint uh for the tow truck
[2:49:48] permits. Um because the the Texas
[2:49:51] Department of License and and Regulation
[2:49:52] already does this. Um uh you know, tow
[2:49:56] truck vendors have to get a TDLR uh
[2:49:58] license and and through the state they
[2:50:00] already do the uh background check. Um,
[2:50:03] and so this would help streamline the
[2:50:04] process for staff. Um, um, and and and
[2:50:08] getting rid of the duplicate background
[2:50:10] checks. Um, which would also eliminate
[2:50:13] the duplicate fees that could possibly
[2:50:15] be triggered from paying a state fee as
[2:50:17] well as as local fee can increase
[2:50:19] processing time and things of that
[2:50:21] nature. And, you know, because part of
[2:50:23] the application, they have to show proof
[2:50:24] that they're licensed with TDLR. Um so
[2:50:27] in summary um basically you know we're
[2:50:29] just bringing some illegal alignment
[2:50:31] especially with chapter 32 with what the
[2:50:33] state code says about licensing um um
[2:50:36] under the the um peddlers and vendors
[2:50:40] permit um and then u eliminating the
[2:50:42] redundancy and having some um
[2:50:45] operational efficiencies through that
[2:50:47] under chapter 48 and then like said
[2:50:49] clarifying some of the terminology. Um
[2:50:51] so with that I'd be happy to answer any
[2:50:53] questions you may have. Um, also brought
[2:50:56] my lawyer so if he can too is she.
[2:51:00] >> Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
[2:51:02] » Is there a motion to adopt ordinance
[2:51:02] number 2026-39?
[2:51:06] » Motion. Second
[2:51:08] >> discussion.
[2:51:14] No questions. We'll call for the vote.
[2:51:24] Motion carries 5.
[2:51:27] >> Thank you. At this time, city council
[2:51:29] » Thank you. At this time, city council
[2:51:29] will meet in executive session as
[2:51:31] authorized by tit title 5, chapter 551,
[2:51:34] government code, the Texas Open Meetings
[2:51:37] Act, for the following purposes.
[2:51:40] There will be no
[2:51:42] action items upon our return. We will
[2:51:45] merely rec adjourn.
[2:51:52] You're welcome to stay.
[2:51:53] >> Yeah. And you can stay if you want.
[2:51:56] » Yeah. And you can stay if you want.
[2:51:56] >> Oh,
[2:51:57] » Oh,
[2:51:57] >> so we're now in recess. We're now in
[2:51:58] » so we're now in recess. We're now in
[2:51:58] recess. May prom.
[2:51:59] >> Thank you.
[3:12:43] The meeting is adjourned.
[3:12:47] It becomes the first