1 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:15,680 At this time, I'd like to call to order the special Joint Council, City Council, 2 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:25,040 and Tomal Economic Development Corporation meeting for August 21st, 3 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:30,240 2026. The time now is 100 pm. >> And at this time, I will call to order 4 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:33,920 the August 21st, 2026 special joint meeting of the Pal Economic Development 5 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:37,519 Corporation Board of Director Pal City Council. And it is called to order at 1 6 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,199 p.m. >> Right now, we're going to move to public 7 00:15:39,199 --> 00:15:45,279 comments and receipt of petitions. At this time, anyone will be allowed to 8 00:15:43,199 --> 00:15:49,920 speak on any matter other than personal matters or matters under litigation for 9 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:53,839 a length of time not to exceed 3 minutes. 10 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:58,079 No council or board discussion or action may take place on a matter until such 11 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:04,240 matter has been placed on the agenda and posted in accordance with a law GC551 12 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:09,600 spot 042. With no objection, consil council 13 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:13,759 remarks shall not be profane, vulgar, and abusive. if you guys already know 14 00:16:10,959 --> 00:16:17,680 that and um no personal attacks will be tolerated. Thank you for your 15 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:23,120 cooperation. We have anybody that's wants to speak. 16 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:27,199 » Yes, sir. First one is Esther Marina. >> Marina, please give us your full name 17 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:32,959 and address, please. >> Esther Mera 515 Kane Street. 18 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:37,199 I remember the very first time I ever came to this council room to speak to 19 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:40,480 the council. It was the day the TDC brought in here their consultant from 20 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:45,360 New York to present their plan for the venue and the room was completely full. 21 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:50,480 The lobby was completely full. The people showed up to oppose that plan 22 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:54,800 because we love this town. And today I am here to say thank you. Thank you to 23 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:59,279 this council. Thank you for supporting and for voting down this development. We 24 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:04,559 are honored to have you as our representatives. I also remember that 25 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:08,720 first day when Lisa Coington was here acting simultaneously as the council 26 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:15,679 woman that she is and the president of the TDC. She said she sat there and then 27 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:21,199 she crossed over and argued at length in favor of the TDC's. How is this ethical? 28 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:26,319 It's like looking at a soccer game where the referee is also playing for one of 29 00:17:23,439 --> 00:17:31,120 the teams. Will Lisa Coington finally recuse herself? 30 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:36,559 Last time I spoke here, I presented how the TDC has kept the community in the 31 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:41,200 dark to pursue its own agenda. Apparently, they didn't like that 32 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:47,520 because shortly afterward, the TDC expelled me from the community advisory 33 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:53,919 board. At the TDC, apparently free speech has consequences. 34 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:58,400 But the TDC has had its chance and it has failed. It has wasted hundreds of 35 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:02,960 thousands of community dollars on consultants. Its salaries and operating 36 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:07,840 costs are astronomical and it has repeatedly antagonize the community. I 37 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:13,200 want to acknowledge also that there are very honorable people, very honorable 38 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:17,280 people serving at the TDC boards and I have seen them become uncomfortable with 39 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:20,799 the course its leadership is taken. But the fact still remains that the TDC has 40 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:25,200 already developed virtually all the available land in Tumble and at this 41 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:29,600 point is just like a cancer with nowhere left to grow and now trying to consume 42 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:33,840 the very heart of Tombal. Tumble deserves better than that. Maybe it is 43 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,880 time to say goodbye to an organization that has become expensive, 44 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:40,640 untrustworthy, and deeply out of touch with the 45 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:47,120 community it is supposed to serve. And this is not just talk. 1,000 signatures 46 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:51,919 can put this on the ballot. 10,000 signatures. Tombal can easily do that. 47 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:56,559 The time has come to put the future of Tombal back where it belongs, in the 48 00:18:54,320 --> 00:19:02,640 hands of this council and the people of Tombal. Thank you. 49 00:18:59,919 --> 00:19:06,640 » Thank you. >> Do we have another person? 50 00:19:03,679 --> 00:19:14,640 » Yeah. Next, we have John Reed. >> Mr. Reid, your name and address. 51 00:19:11,679 --> 00:19:19,360 I know what it is. [laughter] Um, 52 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:24,960 I'm I'm uh stalling till I get my phone open. I'm John Reid uh 515 Kain Street. 53 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:31,919 Um, today I came here uh to thank the 54 00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:37,200 council um for your position taken on the Legacy Square project going forward. 55 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:43,600 I appreciate it. You listen to the community and the community I know 56 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:47,520 appreciates being heard. I'd also like to thank the community. Um, there were a 57 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:53,520 lot of people who have been coming out here repeatedly spending their time 58 00:19:51,679 --> 00:19:58,559 putting putting out their ideas for what should happen here and we don't all 59 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:06,200 agree but everyone deserves the right to be heard and I thank everybody. Um, I um 60 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:16,160 wanted to talk about investing in Tombball because that's sort of part of 61 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:23,280 the nature of this whole project and I think um the original uh the feasibility 62 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:29,120 study presented by Duncan Webb when he presented it he said uh there will be no 63 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:34,559 return on investment the it's not possible you have to raise the money to 64 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:39,919 do all this and then rent it. Um, that sounds rough. Uh, I say invest less, 65 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:45,679 have more fun, find out what the community wants. And I'm also here to 66 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:49,280 clear up a few things about makerpace and community centers because I've been 67 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:54,799 involved with them and I've gone to see them. Um, maker spaces, I'm not going to 68 00:20:53,600 --> 00:21:00,240 say they make money because they're nonprofit, but they they build up money. 69 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:06,480 Uh the Maker Barn right up the street here has a 9month waiting list to get 70 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:11,760 in. And uh that should tell you that people are waiting nine months to pay 71 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:17,200 their dues. It's a viable, workable organization. Most community 72 00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:20,720 centers are generate positive revenue. They're not supported by tax dollars. 73 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:26,960 Some are there. There are definitely some, but most not. Um, and the nice 74 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:34,159 thing about these things is that they can be um, evolved into what fits the 75 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:40,480 community the best. And I think that's what we're all really here hopefully to 76 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:46,960 talk about is how we're going to invest best in the community. 77 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:51,840 And this is an investment that kind of goes beyond economic de uh, investment. 78 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:58,000 And frankly, I think the economic investment of the previous grand plan is 79 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:04,880 bankruptcy. And I think that a much more modest plan 80 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:09,760 and a plan that invests in the community is a far better plan. It brings people 81 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:16,240 down here. Uh it gets them together. It lets retired people teach skills to 82 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:19,760 other people. It gives space for crafts, children's activities, artists, music, 83 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,600 all those things. >> Sir, that's your time. 84 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,039 » That's my time. >> Thank you, Mr. 85 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:30,679 » You get the idea. >> Thank you so much to everyone. 86 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:30,679 » Next, we have Kristen Hec. 87 00:22:31,679 --> 00:22:40,000 » Name and address Hec. >> Oh, that's 88 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:44,480 » Kristen Hecra. Uh first and foremost, I do want to 89 00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:48,480 sincerely thank the members of city council who have listened to the 90 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:52,880 residents and recognized the concern surrounding this project. 91 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:56,559 Um it does mean a lot when our elected officials actually listen to the people 92 00:22:54,320 --> 00:23:00,960 they represent. Most of you have earned the respect you deserve. 93 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:04,320 As a lifetime resident who truly cares about preserving the character of 94 00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:08,799 Tombbo, I do want to find ways for our community 95 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:13,280 to grow in a way that makes sense. I don't believe a large music hall 96 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:17,600 or additional parking lots are what Tombbo needs 97 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:22,480 really. I would much rather see green space that we have left and where 98 00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:27,120 possible maybe even add more. We have spent countless dollars on studies and 99 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:31,600 plans prepared by people who in my opinion they don't have Tombbo's best 100 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:36,720 interest at heart. At this point, I question 101 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:40,960 really whether the TDC is serving the direction this community actually wants. 102 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:46,080 Really, in my opinion, the TDC has become irrelevant to Tombal's future, 103 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:51,840 and I will firmly stand behind a citizen petition to dissolve it completely. 104 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:56,000 As the founder and president of the Tombball Preservation Society, I would 105 00:23:53,679 --> 00:24:00,720 personally love to develop or help develop a Tombbo heritage and 106 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:06,080 agricultural corner. if we turn this property into a community center uh or 107 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:09,520 an art market concept. Um Tombbo has such a rich history, you 108 00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:13,600 guys, and from the railroad and agriculture to the oil boom that helped 109 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:18,159 shape our town. I think we have an opportunity to tell a story in a way 110 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:22,720 that is fun and meaningful for the next generation. 111 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:28,960 I love to see historic photographs and displays highlighting Tomba's oil, 112 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:34,320 railroad, farming, and ranching history alongside an interactive agricultural 113 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:39,200 area where children can learn about farm animals and where their food actually 114 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:43,760 comes from. We could involve our local FFA and 4H 115 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:47,679 students. They need that. Um, we need to allow them to bring animals and teach 116 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:52,480 children and families about different breeds of livestock, agriculture, and 117 00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:54,960 the work that goes into raising them. This is really something I would 118 00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:59,760 personally love to be involved with. Preservation isn't only about protecting 119 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:04,000 what is still standing. It's about making sure the next generation 120 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:08,559 understands where to came from. We don't need to turn turn to something else. 121 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,279 Let's invest in what makes Tombball Tombball. Thank you. 122 00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:18,600 Next we have Kendall Wolf. 123 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,720 » Name and address 124 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,320 » Indel Wolf 504 Kain Street. >> Thank you. 125 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:38,480 » Thank you. Today I want to begin with something I 126 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:43,520 believe extremely is extremely important. saying thank you to those who 127 00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:46,880 listened to the residents of Tombbo who heard our concerns and who took the time 128 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:51,679 to consider what this proposal would actually mean for the people who live 129 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:57,520 here and who ultimately voted against the Sorry, I lose my place. Okay, thank 130 00:25:55,039 --> 00:26:01,039 you. You did not simply cast a vote. You demonstrated that the voices of the 131 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:05,279 residents still matter. And I want you to understand that your decision was 132 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:08,320 noted noticed. It mattered and it gave many of us a renewed sense of faith that 133 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:12,480 our elected officials can still listen to the people they represent. 134 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:16,960 Because this fight has never been about being against progress. It has never 135 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:21,440 been about being against homba and it certainly hasn't been about 136 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:25,200 being against the arts, entertainment or economic development. It is about what 137 00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:30,000 kind of development belongs in this particular place. We are talking about a 138 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:33,120 historic part of downtown Tombbo. We are talking about a property with deep 139 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:36,960 historical and personal significance to families in this community. We are 140 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:40,240 talking about the former First Baptist Church property and the surrounding 141 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,880 neighborhood, not just an empty empty parcel of land sitting on the outside of 142 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,320 town. The proposal has consequences beyond what can be placed on a 143 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,640 presentation board. A large music venue brings traffic. It 144 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,960 brings parking demands. It brings noise. It br it changes the character of the 145 00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:00,400 surrounding area. And when additional parking is proposed to accommodate that 146 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,799 development, the impact does not simply disappear, 147 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:09,520 it gets pushed outward into the surrounding community. This is why 148 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:13,600 residents had continued to speak. And that is why I'm asking this council not 149 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:20,440 to make persistence mistake persistence for opposition to progress. We are 150 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,440 present because we care about Tombbo. 151 00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:28,159 When one person has leadership role in an in entity advancing or supporting a 152 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:32,080 development concept and simultaneously holds an elected position responsible 153 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:37,360 for considering matters involving that development, the public has every right 154 00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:41,080 whether to ask to ask whether the pro process is sufficiently 155 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:48,480 independent and transparent. And even when every action is technically 156 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:54,240 permissible, the appearance of divided interests interests matters. Our local 157 00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:57,840 government should not merely avoid actual conflicts. It should avoid 158 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,320 situations that cause residents to reasonably question whether they are 159 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:06,080 receiving an impartial prog process. This is not an attack. This is 160 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:09,679 accountability. And to those that have continued pushing this proposal despite 161 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:14,240 the overwhelming concerns raised by residents, I want to say this as plainly 162 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:17,679 and professionally as I possibly can. You are not entitled to our silence 163 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,799 simply because you disagree with us. You are not entitled to reshape a historic 164 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,200 neighborhood and then tell people who live there that they should simply 165 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:28,320 accept it. You are not entitled to call something community development while 166 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,360 disregarding the community when they tell you that they do not want that 167 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:35,600 particular development. >> Miss Wolf, that's your time. Thank you. 168 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:40,399 » Thank you, Miss L. >> Who do we have next? 169 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:44,720 » Next, we have Lisa Daniels. >> Miss Daniels. Name, address, all the 170 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:50,960 particulars. >> Yeah. Here. Um, Lisa Daniels, 403 EP 171 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:57,120 Street. I'm at the corner of North Oak in EPS. And my backyard is the backyard 172 00:28:54,399 --> 00:29:01,039 of the metal building in the back. The um I don't forget what it's called, what 173 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:05,679 it's wants to be called. Anyway, I look at it every morning. Um, good afternoon 174 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,960 TDC and members of the Tombball City Council. I want to thank you for 175 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:13,360 listening to the residents who have expressed concerns about the proposed 176 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:17,440 development next to our homes. Your willingness to hear us and consider 177 00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:22,240 other possibilities really shows that citizen involvement matters in Tombball. 178 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:26,240 For those living beside this property, these plans are more than drawings on 179 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:31,200 paper. These decisions will affect our home traffic safety, property values, 180 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:36,159 and quality of life. First, I want to state that I continue 181 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:40,320 to remain opposed to any large amplified music venue and the additional parking 182 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:44,559 lots needed to support it. That type of intensive use is not compatible with 183 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:49,200 established uh residential neighborhoods. 184 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:53,919 However, I do support development that benefits Tombal while respecting nearby 185 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:58,480 homes. A thoughtfully designed cultural arts venue in maker space could provide 186 00:29:56,159 --> 00:30:03,440 opportunities for local artists, crafts people, students, families, and small 187 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:08,559 businesses. I hope the city will welcome formal proposals explaining how these 188 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:12,320 ideas could be brought to fruition. I also believe that a small portion of the 189 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:16,399 property could accommodate brick walk up town homes designed to complement 190 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:20,320 architecturally the surrounding area. This would generate additional property 191 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:24,960 tax revenue and would also create a base of residents who would regularly shop um 192 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:31,039 eat at the nearby restaurants and participate in events. Finally, please 193 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:35,039 consider uh making future meetings more accessible because some are held during 194 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:40,399 the workday and many residents cannot attend in person. My ask is that could 195 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:44,480 the city look into offering a team's meeting or another live video option 196 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:48,880 allowing residents to watch and provide comments remotely. Lastly, I believe 197 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:53,919 that thoughtful development and neighborhood protection do not have to 198 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:59,200 be opposing goals through collaboration, creativity, and public participation. I 199 00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:04,399 believe we can achieve both. Thank you for your time, all of you, your service 200 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:07,440 to um Tombball community and consider continued consideration to the 201 00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:12,559 residents, especially the ones most directly involved. Thank you. 202 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:17,000 » Thank you, Miss Daniels. >> Next, we have Victoria Hernandez. 203 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:29,520 » Name and address, please. Uh, Victoria Hernandez, 12715 204 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:34,960 High Drive in Tomball, Texas. Good afternoon, council members and 205 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:40,159 Tombball EDC. My name is Victoria and I am a Tomball resident and I'd like to 206 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:46,000 speak about Legacy Square. First, I'd like to make one thing very clear. I 207 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:51,360 absolutely love live music. Uh, live music actually shaped my early career. 208 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:56,080 I've worked in many venues oper many venue operations including White Oak 209 00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:00,720 Music Hall in Houston. So I know firsthand the energy and economic 210 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:06,799 activity a great venue can provide a city. I I honestly do. But I also know 211 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:12,240 the realities that come with it. Traffic, parking, neighborhood concerns, 212 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:16,960 and the responsibility of balancing a destination with the people who call 213 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:21,600 this neighborhood a home. I'm not here to argue that a music venue 214 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:25,600 is a bad idea. It's not. We have plenty of them around. 215 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,840 I think those conversations are important, but I believe we're asking 216 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:34,039 the wrong question here in terms of what can we put into this church? 217 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:41,440 The better question is, what can we put here that creates the greatest return 218 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:46,320 for the city of Tombal? Because a handful of homes will benefit from will 219 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:50,240 benefit the families who live in them. A successful venue will benefit its 220 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:55,760 patrons and the businesses around it. But what if Legacy Square could do more? 221 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:59,840 What if it could be a creative and cultural center? A place where artists 222 00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:04,240 can teach, students can learn, nonprofits can gather, entrepreneurs can 223 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:09,279 test ideas, and small businesses can showcase their 224 00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:13,360 work. And neighbors have a reason to come together. 225 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:18,080 I say that as someone whose boots are actively on the ground already doing 226 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:23,679 this in Tombball. I live in Tombball. I play in Tombball. I work in Tombball. I 227 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:29,200 spend every penny here in Tombball. In spirit of that, I'm actually wearing a 228 00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:35,120 Tombball ISD shirt because this morning I joined Pine Street Eats and Sweets 229 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:39,760 across the street as we gifted 115 breakfast sandwiches on fresh homemade 230 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:44,559 biscuits to welcome the teachers back to school. I don't say that for recogna 231 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:51,279 recognition. I say that because it demonstrates something very important. 232 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:56,880 The willingness to invest in one another is already here. What we lack is the 233 00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:01,760 infrastructure that will help that spirit grow further. That's why I 234 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:07,120 believe creativity shouldn't be viewed simply as entertainment. It is our 235 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:11,839 economic infrastructure. A creative center doesn't have to compete with m 236 00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:16,560 with music. Music can very well be a part of the infrastructure. Residential 237 00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:21,839 development doesn't have to disappear from the conversation either. But Legacy 238 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:26,720 Square is a rare opportunity in the heart of our historic downtown. So I 239 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:30,480 hope we evaluate every proposal by one simple. Miss Hernandez, special time. 240 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:37,000 Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Hernandez. 241 00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:37,000 » Next, we have Eric Sundon. 242 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:48,320 » Name and address, sir. >> Hi, I'm Eric Sundon. Um, I live about 20 243 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:54,879 minutes away, but it's actually Houston. Um, it's 15303 Parkville Drive, Houston. 244 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:59,839 Um, but I love Tombball. I love it more than Houston, that's for sure. So, I was 245 00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:06,320 a member of the Da Vinci Gallery for 5 years and became the director and would 246 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:13,200 love to see another gallery in in Tombball. We have at the Tombow Art 247 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:17,440 League just about 150 artists and they're all anxious to get to a spot 248 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:22,480 where they can hang their art and sell it and show it. So, I think that uh 249 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:27,920 looking at Fellowship Hall and I I know it's not a revenue thing that you guys 250 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:33,440 are so concerned about, but we could take I'm connected to 200 artists. We 251 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:39,520 could put 200 artists in there for $50 a month and make $10,000 a month in that 252 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:44,000 space. I mean, as it stands right now. So, um, I wanted to mention that and 253 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:50,160 make sure that that everybody's aware that we're actively looking for a space 254 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:55,680 to land. We would love it. Tomball Art League um, goes out of Lonear College, 255 00:35:53,200 --> 00:36:00,079 which is not, you know, not in the proper in the Tomball, Oldtown Tombball 256 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:05,920 that we want, but all of those artists would love to be in a spot tomorrow. I'm 257 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,240 telling you, they would love it. So, I just wanted to mention that. And also, 258 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:15,520 I'm finishing the first prototype street train and it's almost finished. So, so 259 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:20,000 I'm going to be parading that around so everybody can see it. So, anyway, thank 260 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:25,200 you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Sundan. 261 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,560 » Is there anybody in the audience that didn't sign up that would like to speak? 262 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:38,880 » Yes, sir. name at F Street, right across the street from Lisa. Um, I'm just kind 263 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:42,400 of improving this. I'll make it quick. I've been a witness to a few 264 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:47,280 conversations. What I haven't heard anything about is the traffic in the 265 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:52,560 north side of uh on the north side of EP uh Main Street. I drive an F-150 pickup. 266 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:57,040 When I drive down my street, if there's a Honda Civic, one of us has to scoot 267 00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,800 over and stop. And so, I just want to put that out there. you're bringing all 268 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,440 this foot traffic in and car traffic. You're going to have to widen the roads 269 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,200 and you're going to have to add sidewalks. So, I just want to put that 270 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,520 awareness out there. And uh I'll probably have more to say at the next 271 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:14,000 meeting, but that's all I got for now. Uh and also, I do want to ditto the uh 272 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,920 gratitude. I was at a meeting for the TEDC couple months ago. A lot of us 273 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:23,200 spoke and I feel like we were hurt. So, I just want to say thank you for that. 274 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:26,640 » Thank you. [clears throat] Is there anyone else that would like to 275 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,160 speak? No. Well, we'll move on to the next 276 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,640 item. Councilman Coington, 277 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:43,280 » do business consideration and possible action by Tombal EDC to approve the 278 00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:50,079 Tombal Economic Development Corporation fiscal year 2026 2027 budget. 279 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:55,280 Right into the public hearing. Okay. The we will have a public hearing 280 00:37:53,440 --> 00:38:00,400 on this item. The public hearing for this item will open at 1:23 p.m. The 281 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,400 board will now hear from anyone who would like to speak for or against the 282 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:08,480 proposed budget. If you'd like to speak, uh, please come 283 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:13,000 to the podium and state your name and address and you have three minutes. 284 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:27,800 Nope. Okay. Since there are no comments, then we're going to close the public 285 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,800 hearing at 1:24 PM. 286 00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:36,079 » So EDC board. Is there a motion to approve the Tava Economic Development 287 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,640 Corporation fiscal year 2026 2027 budget? 288 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,720 » Motion. >> Second. 289 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:46,960 » Questions or comments? I will make a note there uh are three changes to this 290 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,720 budget based on the conversation that we had with council at the last meeting. 291 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,720 The first change is a reduction in the Legacy Square line item from 2 million 292 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:59,119 to 750,000. The second is a reduction in the South 293 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:03,920 Live Oak line item from 600,000 to 350,000 294 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:07,440 and then a removal of any funds for property acquisition. So those are the 295 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:11,800 three changes in this budget before you today. Thank you. 296 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,599 » Okay. So if there's no Thank you. Thank you for that, Kelly. If there's no more 297 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:23,119 comments or questions, then I'm going to call for the vote. All those in favor, 298 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:26,560 please say I. >> I. 299 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,000 » Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. 300 00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:34,320 The >> next item we're going to consider is 301 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:38,480 consideration and possible action by Tom Ball City Council to approve the Tomball 302 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,480 economic. >> I'm sorry, Mayor for Tim. We've got an 303 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,880 action by the city council to approve the Tom. 304 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,280 » That's where I'm going to now. >> Oh, I thought I'm sorry. on day three. 305 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,440 My bad. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. 306 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:55,119 » Okay, no worries. Uh consideration possible action by Tomball City Council 307 00:39:53,440 --> 00:40:00,400 to approve the Tomball Economic Development Corporation fiscal year 2026 308 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:05,680 2027 budget. Is there a motion to approve the 309 00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:14,160 Tomball Economic Development Corporation fiscal year 2026 2027 budget? 310 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:17,680 » Motion. Second 311 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:22,640 discussion. >> Do we need Lauren? Do we need to read 312 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,920 this or anything out loud so everybody can hear it or 313 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:29,040 » just go with it? >> You just go with it. 314 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:33,119 » She's posted on the internet for >> Yeah. 315 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:38,240 » days. But Lisa, the just like the lady didn't know that you can uh go on an 316 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:43,119 internet and watch every one of our meetings. There's people out there don't 317 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:49,359 understand that we can do that today. You can go on the internet. They post a 318 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:53,760 site so that you can see these meetings. I think you're I know I watch TEDC 319 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:57,040 meetings from my home. I don't attend them because I don't want to get a 320 00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:04,319 quorum going. And you can watch our meetings every time we have one. It's 321 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:08,640 they're recording it right now. >> And that's one reason that we're so such 322 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:14,000 a stickler about people coming to the podium because if you're in the 323 00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:19,760 audience, you can't hear. Uh oh. Well, definitely we need to but I 324 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:23,520 know that one of the speakers today asked about having Zoom or Teams 325 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:27,520 available since our meeting today is unfortunately scheduled at this time due 326 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,480 to very unfortunate circumstances. It was not intended to be during the 327 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:35,440 workday. It was supposed to be last Monday night at 9. Um 328 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:41,920 there were things that happened that none of us wanted. Um but what and you 329 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:47,839 can't but what we have not ever done is allowed public comments from that right 330 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,160 that's the difference >> correct well 331 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,000 » right >> yes correct 332 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,880 » suppose that could be discussed but people can submit them in advance if 333 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,480 they can't make it then they can submit it in advance and they'll be read into 334 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:06,079 the record >> and then they can still 335 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:10,400 » I would like to thank uh EDC Kelly Violet you guys for uh changing those 336 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:14,560 three items that we we had great discussions on property acquisitions and 337 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:19,599 obviously South Live Oak and Legacy Square. Um you're probably wondering why 338 00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:22,800 we reduced the cost on all those or the appropriated amount. The purpose was 339 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,440 we're going to work closely together with each other to find out so that 340 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:33,680 we're both getting what we want. you the the citizens council and EDC and uh we 341 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:38,800 have agreed that they would come back to us with budget amendments for the 342 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:43,280 dollars so that we can in essence be in agreement on every expenditure made. So 343 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,560 we want to thank EDC for working with us on that 344 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:51,680 » one other thing. >> Yes sir. 345 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:56,160 You can go out for bids on your stuff, but I thought you had told me you don't 346 00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:59,040 go out for bids that y'all do something else. 347 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,000 » We No, we've typically gone out for bids when we've done stuff. We don't we don't 348 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,520 have to follow the same procurement policy that the city does, but we 349 00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:09,119 typically have just because of being more cautious. 350 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:12,240 » Okay. So, this demolition, >> you talk about RFPs. 351 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,960 » I'm talking about when we go out for de demolition, you can actually go to 352 00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:19,280 multiple companies. >> We will do an RFQ for the demolition. 353 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,760 Yes. That's what I and then you >> and the and the council will see that 354 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:25,280 RFQ. >> That's what we were want to see. You 355 00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:30,319 just answered my question. Thank you very much. Young lady, 356 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:37,359 » can I just clarify your question? Were you asking if the EDC goes out for RFQS 357 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:40,319 for large projects at all or if the EDC does it when there's no money in the 358 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,640 budget for it? I was under the impression that you 359 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:49,280 couldn't even go out for a bid, that you had to do something else because I'd 360 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:53,440 been told that some way and or it wouldn't have been in my mind. And so I 361 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,400 misunderstood something that was told to me. 362 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,119 » I I understood that also. I understood that too. I was told that. 363 00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:03,440 » Still don't understand the question. Do you mean at all ever even when there's 364 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,640 plenty of money in the budget or you say >> I was told you cannot go out for a bid 365 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,119 that >> and everything and so was he? Yeah, I 366 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,920 was told that >> at a different time and so I 367 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,680 misunderstood the way it was stated, I guess. 368 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:18,880 » Okay, that would definitely not have come from anybody on the EDC board or 369 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:23,440 within the EDC. >> No, it come from Miss Kelly. 370 00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:26,440 » So, don't make statements that you don't know. 371 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:34,640 » Are you talking like I said twice now? 372 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:38,240 » Councilman. Okay, guys. Councilman Parr, you have anything to add? Nope. No. 373 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,640 » Any >> Are you referring to RFQ versus a RFP? 374 00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:46,160 Because there's there's a different process for both. 375 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:51,280 » Request for proposal versus request for quote 376 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:57,599 » qualifications. I apologize. >> I just know that when we were talking 377 00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:03,520 about the getting the New York company, I asked why didn't we go out for bids 378 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:07,200 for that? And I was told we couldn't. >> Right. And that's the same thing he'd 379 00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:10,079 been told in the past. >> Professional services is what you're 380 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:14,079 talking about. Professional services, you can go out for request for 381 00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:20,079 qualifications. You can't go out for a request for a proposal based on the 382 00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:23,760 actual um cost of the project. Same thing with with architects and 383 00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:28,480 engineering services. It's the process is a RFQ, not an RFP. 384 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:32,960 » Yeah. >> Okay. Lauren, 385 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,920 » is that correct? That's what you were trying to explain to us for the meeting, 386 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,200 » correct? >> Okay. 387 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,680 » Okay, >> that's all I need to get clear. 388 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:44,319 » We're good. We're clear with that, everyone. 389 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:48,280 » Okay. Can we call for the vote? 390 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,480 I 391 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:09,280 » yours is down. >> Okay. 392 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,880 » Motion carried. Five. >> Thank you. We're going to move on to the 393 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:19,119 next item. Discussion and direction regarding the 394 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:24,079 Tombball Legacy Square project. So 395 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:27,319 to you guys >> for discussion 396 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,880 » I think >> I would well go ahead. I would like to 397 00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:38,480 preface though that Monday night at council a directive was given from city 398 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:42,400 council to EDC. So 399 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:46,480 what we're going to I guess now listen to what you want to add to that. 400 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,960 » I I don't know that we would add anything. 401 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:55,520 » Yes sir. I think I think it's a clarification as to what exactly um was 402 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:59,760 meant by commence transition to multifunctional 403 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:04,720 uh facility that will also serve as a community center. So when we met 404 00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:09,280 yesterday for 3 hours plus with our advisory committee, the question that 405 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:14,160 continued to circle was what exactly does that mean? What does it look like? 406 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:19,280 So what we want to do is define what the parameters are and we'll operate within 407 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:24,000 those parameters. So it doesn't mean that we're going to do a live music 408 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:30,240 music venue with ZZ Top and we're going to be overly concerned about 409 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:33,200 the the actual what's going to go on there, but we just want to set 410 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:40,079 parameters and understand what those parameters are. So with the with the six 411 00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:44,480 motions that were made Monday night that we weren't present to actually discuss 412 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,440 » well >> had I been here 413 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,520 » can I can I clarify that though >> but I I was 414 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,880 » okay go ahead >> okay thanks 415 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:59,599 we were Friday when we had the meeting there was general conversation among the 416 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:06,319 whole city council it didn't appear that there was a consensus on Friday but 417 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:10,400 Monday We we only had we had a consensus and a written statement as to how we 418 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:15,680 would proceed without our input on Monday. 419 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:21,680 » Okay. But can I ask a show of hands on the EDC board that did have a consensus 420 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:26,400 with this list of six items? >> This wasn't this wasn't our list. 421 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:32,720 » No, I realize that. But per our discussion last Friday, 422 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:36,559 » that was that was not clear. There was multiple conversations going on on 423 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:40,800 Friday about different things that may or may not occur at the facility is what 424 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:46,240 I understood at Legacy School. >> Yes, sir. But I just want a show of 425 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:50,160 hands if the board agrees or disagrees with this list. If they agreed per our 426 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,839 conversation, >> I think we agree with some clarity. 427 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,559 That's all we're asking for is just clarity. That's 428 00:48:54,720 --> 00:49:01,839 » So you do agree with these six bullet points. But but in order to go through 429 00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:07,440 one through six, number one has to be answered first as to what building A 430 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:12,319 looks like, what does it contain, how do we operate it, because what you've asked 431 00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:16,240 for is a a full P&L statement as to how we'd operate the facility. But if we 432 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:20,160 don't know what it looks like and what it's going to be and what we can and 433 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:25,280 can't operate there, it's really hard to come to those conclusions. 434 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:31,040 So I think we're all in agreement. A fine arts facility is acceptable. That 435 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:35,680 would be what we've discussed. But we don't want a live music venue with loud 436 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:39,280 noises. It was never going to be that. That's what a consultant came up with 437 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:46,480 and what others came up with. And that's been rejected by us. So fine arts 438 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:49,760 facility, Pearl Fincher Museum. Th this was rejected yesterday. Is that what 439 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:54,720 you're saying? >> Rejected as a live music venue of 800 to 440 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,680 a,000. that's been rejected for quite a while. So, 441 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:03,440 » okay. >> So, all we want is the opportunity to 442 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:07,920 present a plan to you with options and but just know what the parameters are in 443 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:12,319 building A. What can we operate, what we cannot operate so that we have a clear 444 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:16,800 path forward with that because we have a resolution from last July that says we 445 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:21,680 can operate it as a cultural and fine arts venue. So, but we need to kind of 446 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:26,240 get down to the nitty-gritty as to what that looks like, what's going to be 447 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:30,000 allowable, what's not. And ultimately, the discussion may be it's not viable 448 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:34,319 because we can't pull in the right operator to make it feasible for them. 449 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:38,559 If that's the case, then we need to kind of make a left turn or right turn and 450 00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:44,240 figure out which way we need to go. and it may ultimately end up in the sale up. 451 00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:48,960 The sale of it is going to have all kinds of future problems that are going 452 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:54,960 to domino because we can't sell it to a developer and give up 313 parking spaces 453 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:59,040 because they if they develop that, we're losing the parking. So, that's not 454 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:03,440 really a viable option either. So, we got to come up with a solution, but we 455 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:08,079 want an understanding as to what we can do there, what we can't, so we can work 456 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:12,720 on the rest of the direction that y'all presented to us. I guess that's the best 457 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,040 way. And I I'll turn it over to you if you got questions. 458 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:30,400 I think we were pretty clear that we wanted a event center that would also 459 00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:35,760 double as the civic center or act as the community center, I'm sorry. And that's 460 00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:40,000 why we were going back to EDC to see, okay, what functionality, what can we do 461 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,119 within those realms? We're pretty leaving it pretty wide. We want to 462 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:46,720 narrow it down. We've narrowed it down to that. 463 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:53,359 We've made it pretty clear we did not want a music venue to disturb all the 464 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:57,520 citizens there in this in that area. So what can we do within those 465 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:03,599 parameters to appease the citizens as well as the 466 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:08,480 council? So, I know I'm not being real clear and concise because I haven't sat 467 00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:12,240 here and thought I mean, we've thrown a lot of things up against the wall, but 468 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:16,000 until we get dollars on it and figure out what we can, we don't we don't know. 469 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:21,440 That's why we're looking for your expertise. Well, but I think I think 470 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:27,599 Councilman, we can't determine what you want until you set the borders because 471 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:32,240 we could we could work this thing for a week and go over numbers and they may 472 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:36,960 all be for not. If we really don't know what we're trying to hone in to get to. 473 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:41,200 So, if you say no live music venue, we're not going to have a performing 474 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:46,079 company come in and lease the facility. So be it. Then we narrow the perspective 475 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:51,680 as to what we are going to have. The sweet spot for the for the facility will 476 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:58,319 be somewhere between 550 on the down floor, 150 on the upper floor as it 477 00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:02,319 stands right now, 700 seats. If that's too much and we determine we need to 478 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:06,880 come down, then we need to know from you guys, are we going to come down to 600? 479 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:11,839 Are we going to come down to 500? There was a discussion yesterday, we bring it 480 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:16,720 down to 300. So the question is where do we go? What's viable for that? and then 481 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:21,599 what do we present to operators in order to get these the revenue stream and the 482 00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:28,640 cost structure done. So that's what we're trying to do. There is a a a real 483 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:33,839 fine point in that if we go to 700 it's going to require additional parking. 484 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:38,319 Okay. If we do retail or something else in the back as well that's going to 485 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:45,839 expand the parking. If the facility is 500, 550, 600, we have adequate parking 486 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:48,800 right now that we can operate under. So those are the type of things we need to 487 00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:52,960 do. Otherwise, we're going to spend a lot of time kind of graining through 488 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:59,119 numbers that aren't really going to be viable to the project. 489 00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:04,079 So I guess what I'm asking for community center also just to comment I think on 490 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:08,480 September 21 we have a meeting with Harris County about the community center 491 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,680 over at the park. Is that correct? >> Correct. 492 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,760 » So if that goes forth as a community center, do we need another community 493 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:19,359 center in the middle of Tombball on a prime piece of real estate? Is that what 494 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:22,720 we want to do? Is that an excuse for that facility to put another community 495 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:26,800 center in? >> I'll hand that off to Mr. done again. He 496 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:30,240 knows how long our community center that's going in is not going to be our 497 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:32,079 community center and the park. It's going to be the counties. 498 00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,520 » Correct. >> And so you have to schedule everything 499 00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:37,520 to the county. >> So it's not ours. 500 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,839 » Okay. >> This one would be ours. 501 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:44,880 » Okay. >> Okay. When it comes to it, I don't want 502 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:48,240 to touch the upstairs of the because we're not going to build I don't think 503 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:53,599 we've got the money to put an elevator in and all like that and we don't want 504 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:57,839 to widen it to bring it out. I know there is the chamber. They've talked to 505 00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:02,240 me. You know, they need a bigger space, but the that we don't need the parking 506 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:09,119 there. We don't need the additional parking. We need to take what we've got. 507 00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:12,640 Danny, uh, and I I was told I mean, I read Facebook. I don't post on it, but I 508 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:16,240 was told that y'all even took a vote about tearing it down. There was a 509 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,040 motion about tearing it down. Is that true? 510 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,599 » There was a motion. It was never voted on, 511 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,839 » but was there a motion in a second? Yeah, 512 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:27,040 » I think it was out of frustration, frankly, because we've been there. 513 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,440 » That's good. I mean, I just want you to know 514 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:32,640 » that is something that could happen. >> It could happen. 515 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:38,960 » Yeah, I agree. But why don't we go small steps now and see what happens if a 516 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:42,559 community center and when I say an event center, I'm not talking about putting 517 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:46,480 musical, but have it where you could have You're already using it now for 518 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:48,720 some art, aren't you? >> Some theater, 519 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:52,960 » but they sing. They make >> But that's not what I'm talking you. The 520 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:57,920 music doesn't bother anybody. You can shut the music off in the building. Paul 521 00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:01,119 knows. I know. We've got a music venue right beside us that we can't hear. 522 00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:05,520 » I understood. >> As long as they keep the doors closed 523 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:11,200 and you have the set, you don't hear the music there. So, it's not that. It's the 524 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:15,680 parking, the lighting, all that stuff that will interrupt that neighborhood 525 00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:19,119 that I can't vote for. Right. So, I'm trying to give you a directive right 526 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:23,839 now. I'm telling you that I want to keep it smaller than I don't want to do mess 527 00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:28,720 with the addict. This is Dane. This is not the council talking. This is Dane 528 00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:32,720 talking. This has been going on, you said for the last 6 months. No, it's 529 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,720 been going on for years about what's going to happen. You haven't been 530 00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:38,880 involved in it. >> I have. 26 years. I was at that church 531 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,920 for 10 before I ever got on here. >> Well, I'm talking about what's going on 532 00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:46,240 now. Wayne still sell it. Yeah. >> That it we got sold. How long did it 533 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:50,079 take y'all to sell that? It was eight years on the market before TDC bought. 534 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,400 » That's what I'm saying. So, nobody wants that. 535 00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:55,200 » That's correct. So, we need to understand from you what we could build 536 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,920 because >> I'm telling you right now, not messing 537 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,480 with the ad the second floor. >> Yeah. 538 00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:06,960 » Don't mess with it. Widen the stage. Take it back so you can have more area. 539 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:11,520 Flatten the floor out so you can do multiple things in it. That's what I 540 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:15,280 would do. I don't know what the council wants to do. I can't go talk to them. 541 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:19,119 Well, I'm glad I'm glad you're actually saying all of this because this is the 542 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,559 dialogue that we needed before we got the resolution or we would define this a 543 00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:26,720 little bit. >> But that's what I would like to say. 544 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:29,200 » Okay. And I do listen to the citizens. I don't listen to the people that don't 545 00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:33,599 live next to it, right? >> Cuz people that don't live next to it, 546 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:38,000 they can understand, oh, you can do anything you want to in it 547 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:40,799 » and make all the noise, all the parking, all that. But when you live next to 548 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,520 something, >> right, 549 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:48,400 » it makes a difference. And it's not like, you know, I use the example, 550 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:52,559 people come in and fuss and gripe when they move into next to an airport. Oh, 551 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:57,200 the airplanes, you need to shut them down. You need to shut up. These people 552 00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:01,119 live there already and now we're trying to change it and we need to work around 553 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:07,119 those people. >> Understood. I I agree with that. Two 554 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:10,559 comments that you said community center in the back fellowship hall. 555 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,880 » No, I didn't say that. I said in the main hall. 556 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,960 » In the main hall. Okay. >> Yeah. Just like when it's real. 557 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:22,559 » I want to see something. I'd like to see individuals that that Mr. Reid talked 558 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:27,040 about go and see if they can make a maker's mark there. You've got other 559 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:33,520 offices. The mayor, she's not here right now, but she wants a uh m not a museum, 560 00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:37,359 but archives. >> Archives. There's a room there that 561 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:43,280 could you could use that. We could tie it into the museum and make all that a 562 00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:48,480 green area there. our her focus is just take baby steps. Let's don't throw we 563 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:51,359 can throw money all day long, but and then we're going to end up having to pay 564 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:56,240 for it. We don't want to do that. We want to take baby steps. Let it grow 565 00:58:53,119 --> 00:59:00,160 naturally. If it grows, hey, we win. If it doesn't, then we can go to plan B, 566 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:03,119 but right now, let's take those baby steps. 567 00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:05,839 » So, when we talk about the makers mark and whatever we're going to do in 568 00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:11,760 building F, the north building. >> Yes, sir. If we're going to do that, one 569 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:17,680 of your cautisles here was the project will not be subsidized by the city nor 570 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:19,680 us. We don't want the liability, nor do we want to subsidize that. 571 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,760 » Correct. >> So, how do you turn that to where it's 572 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:28,319 profitable to where it's not just come another line item on our budget or we 573 00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:35,280 have to come to you to say, "Hey, it cost us $250,000 to operate that." 574 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:39,839 is we we need to talk about that because if you don't want that liability, nor do 575 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:44,799 we want that liability. So, it needs to pay for itself somehow. So, is it a 576 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:48,799 community project or is it a revenue project? That's really what it boils 577 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:53,359 down to. And if it is a community project, then y'all vote on it and say 578 00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,160 that just knowing that we're going to come back and it's going to have to be 579 00:59:54,559 --> 01:00:00,319 subsidized or there's going to have to be grants or donations because we can't 580 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:04,799 have it both ways. We got to either have an income project or we got to have a 581 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:07,680 community project. It's got to be one or the other. 582 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:11,079 » Have we talked to anybody that would be willing to 583 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:16,799 form a committee or group to look at what it would do? Have we talked to 584 01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:21,119 anybody like that? Have y'all talked to anybody like that? I know I haven't. 585 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:24,079 » I know. We have We've had preliminaries. We have uh Kelly and I've met with 586 01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:26,559 Paradigm Construction. >> No, I'm not talking about the 587 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,040 demolition. I'm talking about the demolition, 588 01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:30,880 » the maker mark or whatever you call the thing. 589 01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:32,480 » No, no, we haven't gone through the space. 590 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,640 » I'm thinking about drinking right now >> because 591 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:40,720 » for, if you think about it, for a year we were going to be we were going to do 592 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,559 the whole project and then we got off in this studio $48 million, 593 01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:48,559 » right? >> A complete BS plan. I agree with that. 594 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:52,400 That was before my time >> and I would have never accepted or 595 01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:56,480 approved that. So, we got to get back down to brass tax. We're going to 596 01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:00,240 operate from ground up, zero up, and we'll come back and appropriate as 597 01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:04,400 needed. But we need some guidelines to what we can do and we can't do. Here's 598 01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:10,000 the last thing I'm just going to add. If we don't go get an operator like a face 599 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:15,760 to where it's acceptable to them in in auditorium A, they are associated and 600 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:19,040 connected at the hip with Pearl Fincher. Finer comes back and says, "Oh, well, 601 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:25,119 you're not going to go forward with stu with a with face." venture might also 602 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:29,839 pull out because if we don't have a master plan for that whole project, it 603 01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:34,079 may not be conducive to them to move that way. They're very interested right 604 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:38,960 now. Face is very interested, but we got to put the best step forward. What is it 605 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:43,680 going to look like overall? What are we going to go do on North Oxford or what 606 01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:49,599 are our options on North Oxford? It might be JV with a development company 607 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:53,520 to put in makaker mark, retail space, professional services, coffee shops, 608 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,920 whatever it might be. >> And that's that's the third point, 609 01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:58,960 right? >> Yeah. 610 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:05,119 » That's point three. Point A is determine what auditorium A is. Second one is 611 01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:09,200 » go forward with the uh Pearl Fenture plan to either get a memo of 612 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:13,520 understanding or tenant agreement that we know they're going forward. And then 613 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:16,480 thirdly, it's determined best use for North Oxford F building. 614 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,640 » Right. >> I think that's where really where we're 615 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,520 what we're asking. >> Well, you keep bringing up options like 616 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:25,599 face. That's the first time I've ever heard that. So, we don't know anything 617 01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:30,400 about these types of things you're bringing to the table. And until they're 618 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,880 presented to us, we can't guide either because we don't know what you're being 619 01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:37,839 exposed to. >> Council, a year ago, we had an open 620 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:42,319 house at the fellowship hall. We had 230 people. If we gold starred everything 621 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:46,240 that was up there, the over overwhelming majority of people wanted a performing 622 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:50,079 arts center. Face is just one of the companies that's that's actually 623 01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:55,520 approached us. It may not be the ones we end up going with, but they have shown 624 01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:59,280 positivity in moving forward. It may not be the best deal for us. It may not be 625 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:03,040 the best deal for the city, but it's just one of those options that's out 626 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:07,440 there. when the word gets out that we've kind of got the parameters set how big 627 01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:11,040 the auditorium is, they're going to put their numbers down on paper to see if 628 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:15,440 they can make it work for them because it's not just making us work. Remember, 629 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:21,680 we're not getting there's no revenue off of ticket sales to the EDC. All we're we 630 01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:25,680 are just a tenant landlord combination. There's no overrides in those type of 631 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:31,520 things. So, we're only getting rental income for those developments and that's 632 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:35,839 it. Councilman McN, you have anything? Council, do you have anything to add? 633 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:41,200 » Um, I just want to agree with what Dne had to say. Um, if the parking that we 634 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:46,400 had there already, that's kind of where we draw where we determine our seats is 635 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:51,520 the parking we have, the the street access that we have, so we don't disturb 636 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:55,280 the residents over in that area. Um but yeah, it's a difficult decision because 637 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:59,200 it's when you buy any commercial building, you fix it up and you hope 638 01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:03,920 someone will come will come lease that out and rent it out. So, um we can fix 639 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:07,359 it up and hope for the best, but we just we have to make a decision and talk to 640 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:12,400 the people that we have that may be interested to keep them in the loop 641 01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:17,200 because we don't want to lose anything moving forward. 642 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:20,559 » I I would still like to see step one >> be the demolition of the buildings that 643 01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:25,520 are not going to be used. cut the power off. 644 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:28,240 » We cut the any potential repairs or any >> aspect of having basically an abandoned 645 01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:31,440 building sitting there. >> You're right. I think we got to take 646 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,680 those baby steps, keep moving forward. We don't know what's going to fall in 647 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:38,000 our laps. >> But if we do it, you know, we we don't 648 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:41,359 know either. So, we're looking for your guidance, but we know that's the first 649 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,799 step we want to take. >> And then we just don't know what else 650 01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:48,799 will come along. And you start bringing these things to prof your face and all 651 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:52,079 that. Maybe things fall in place, but we don't know. 652 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:55,440 » Well, we we have someone National Youth Theater has reached out to us for a 653 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,960 February performance in the main auditorium. So, then we got to we got to 654 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,079 weigh this. >> Yeah. 655 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:06,079 » We want the $5,000 in revenue for that or do we want to go for with the demo 656 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:09,599 because it's going to affect that. So, we have to look at those type of things. 657 01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:13,280 So, we're we're really at the crossroads to determine are we going to shut down 658 01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:17,280 renting it because we're going to do the demo because we can't have both things 659 01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:19,200 going on at the same time. So there's some tough decisions that's got to be 660 01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:22,640 made. >> No, and I I agree those are those are 661 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:25,839 items that I think we need to discuss in the future once we start moving down the 662 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:30,400 road. But I think we all need to be in agreement that we've given a directive. 663 01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:34,880 Let's move forward with it. And as these things come across, we we get we have 664 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:41,200 these discussions again to move to the next step. Garcia, uh council, we have 665 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:46,000 this entity that wants to rent this place in October. Do we really want to 666 01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:50,400 start demolition right now? And those are tough decisions we're have to make 667 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:55,200 and but we don't know until those things we have contract potential contracts in 668 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:58,799 hand to do it or these people are just thinking about it. Does that make sense? 669 01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:05,280 » It does. >> But we we need clarity on a 670 01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:09,599 » okay for you on the fa the theater. Somebody was telling me when and again I 671 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:15,119 was wrong about the bidding so I'm probably wrong about this. um that these 672 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:20,480 theater companies want aerials where they can do aerials that cost a lot of 673 01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:24,079 money to start bracing stuff up for that and everything. So is is that part of 674 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:27,119 the face deal that they're wanting aerials the theaters? 675 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:31,920 » I don't know that we've gotten to that point with them. It's going to be more 676 01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:36,480 local and regional versus national. That was the whole studio red study which 677 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,319 reject reject reject. >> Okay. So that that's not part point part 678 01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:43,319 point part point part point part point 679 01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:40,079 part point part point part point part point part point part 680 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:43,520 » we we don't have the real estate to do that frankly completely changed the 681 01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:47,920 footprint was going to have to be pushed out the back and the front just to 682 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:50,480 accommodate that. So I would say the answer is no 683 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,559 » and in order to do that we'd have for like a fly tower we'd have to cut the 684 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:58,319 roof and do a really expensive so and that was something that the feasibility 685 01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:03,760 study recommended not to do. >> Okay. And when you talk about the stars 686 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:06,079 the gold stars were you there? I was the whole 687 01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:09,359 » You notice how that some people took a handful of stars and stuck them all at 688 01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:15,440 the same place? >> I I've already requested 689 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:21,119 to Kelly once we get the parameters set as to our direction between joint 690 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:24,720 counsel here that we have a second open house to get the feedback. 691 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,599 » I think that that >> and we give one star. 692 01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:30,079 » We give them one star. You get a star going in if you use it or lose it. 693 01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:34,319 That's it. >> That's fine with me. I'd go along with 694 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:39,520 that. We've done these open houses before and not just y'all. We had a 695 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:43,760 couple here and people would take and say, "Yeah, I want more restaurants or 696 01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:46,079 more of this." >> It's called stuff in the box. 697 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,359 » Amen. >> Yeah. 698 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:52,640 » Right. >> Yeah. Well, 699 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:56,240 » I'm uh in the I like Mr. Par. We've already talked about this before that we 700 01:07:54,319 --> 01:08:01,039 move forward with step one, >> the demolition. And then unless you guys 701 01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:04,480 have know something we don't know why we can't, we move forward. That's your 702 01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:06,640 first point. >> Demolition was step four. 703 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,559 » So >> yeah, but that's right. Boy, would they 704 01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:13,119 aren't listed in the order that obviously we can't we have to do that 705 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,960 first. So >> okay, so I'm going to I'm going to set 706 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:22,480 one more parameter for you. We've got preliminary estimates for the 707 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:27,199 demolition, but the other estimate that we're probably going to come back and 708 01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:33,199 tack on is to say if, and this is an if with quotation marks, if we were to 709 01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:37,759 level North Oxford and start over on retail or whatever that space would be, 710 01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:41,759 what would be the additional cost of that demo as well, just so we have it in 711 01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:46,000 our pocket right now. >> Okay? because there may be some 712 01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:50,239 economies of scale where we get more fencing, permitting, time, the whole 713 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:52,480 bit. It may not be the way we want to go, but I think we should look at as an 714 01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:55,359 option. >> Yeah. 715 01:08:53,440 --> 01:09:00,080 » Okay. >> Any questions? Any other questions? 716 01:08:56,719 --> 01:09:04,719 » Lisa has got some call on. No, I was I was sorry. 717 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:08,799 um which is that I believe that since we're all here together and we have 718 01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:14,799 everybody in the room that we should get more clarity on how the uh the main 719 01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:20,480 sanctuary could double as a community center because what we've just spent the 720 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:27,279 last 10 15 minutes talking about is the EDC talking to various tenants for lack 721 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:32,000 of a better term who would come in and rent the facility and operate it. But if 722 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:38,000 it is doubling as a community center, then that means that now the city is a 723 01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:42,159 tenant. So in order to talk to any potential operators, we need to have a 724 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:47,040 lot more clarity on what we would explain to them as well, you're also 725 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:52,080 going to need to share it with the city in these ways. And and that's confusing. 726 01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:56,000 And sure, you know, we spent over an hour on that yesterday talking in 727 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,640 circles of well, let's just move forward. And then we kept saying, yeah, 728 01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,920 but how do we do that with it being that community center? How do we do that with 729 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,040 it being a community center? And that's really a showstopper until we understand 730 01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:11,600 better what that looks like because I don't know how it could be financially 731 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:17,840 viable for any operator if they're also having to give it up on a weekly basis 732 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:22,159 for Zumba and Bingo and AP presentations. Like it's it's it it's 733 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:26,480 got to have a balance. >> A community center would require a flat 734 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:30,159 floor. When when we look this afternoon, you'll see the slope. 735 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:34,880 » Yeah. So, the cost of just flattening the floor out may be prohibitive to do 736 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:40,640 that. That's why I brought up the community center possibly. We got lots 737 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:44,800 of square footage on North Oxford. That might be the better place to do it for 738 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:48,560 the community center because replacing the community center we had, even if we 739 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,719 doubled it, it's what 10,000 square feet. 740 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,880 » The current one, >> current community center is 741 01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:57,920 » maybe 4,000. >> No, our community center. our community 742 01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:02,320 center >> 3 4,000 maybe 743 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:05,120 » I doubt if it bad >> post 744 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:09,040 » stand by >> so let's just say if we've made it 745 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:11,840 12,000 we tripled the size of it >> right 746 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:17,679 » we've got almost 40,000 square feet on North Oxford that's already flat so it 747 01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:23,920 lends itself to do the community center more so there on one end of the other 748 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:28,159 then restructure the floor which then would be a negative for performing arts 749 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:32,679 center. >> So that's that's where our dilemma is. 750 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,360 » Good point. A good idea. >> I think that's good points to talk 751 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,640 about, but these are things we've never talked about. 752 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,960 » We've never talked about >> I've never heard a cost on what 753 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:48,480 flattening floor because I would put a false floor in it 754 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:53,040 » is what I would do. >> I don't know structurally if we can uh 755 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:56,159 that I recall I think that that building was done in '92. 756 01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:00,000 Um, >> that's when I was going there. 757 01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:03,600 » Yeah. 92. But and so I don't know if there's peers under there. I don't know 758 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:07,199 structurally what it will or won't do. So we'll we'll look at it and see, but 759 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:10,719 we can get someone out to give us that estimate. That's really going to be the 760 01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:15,280 left or the right turn. >> I think that's something we need to do 761 01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:18,239 first is get a estimate because that could throw all this community center 762 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:22,320 out the door like you said. >> Well, I just think it relocates 763 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:26,159 » on the community center is we could do land swaps 764 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:30,320 » where we could do that. Yeah, sure. >> On the back part. 765 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:33,040 » Yeah. I don't I mean, we need a better community center than we have today. 766 01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:38,159 » Sure. >> And I'm sure there's people they're 767 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:44,000 sitting here that would love to have our community center today to make 768 01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:47,640 restaurants out of and to do that kind of stuff. Our 769 01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:55,600 current community center is 4200 4,000 square feet 770 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,600 » of usable or that's of offices and everything. 771 01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,480 » I think that's everything. >> That's everything. 772 01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:01,480 » Yeah. 773 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:09,600 » Thank you. >> And this one here is 42,0002. 774 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:11,920 » No, but 4,000 4,200 versus 40,000. >> I was going to saying this is okay. 775 01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:18,000 » 10 times. >> Okay. 776 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:24,239 And we agree that we do have directives out there. Now, we're going to go to the 777 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:29,440 next step, walk the place, decide, look at our negatives and positives, 778 01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:31,120 determine what we can and can't do, and move forward from there. 779 01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:33,440 » Absolutely. >> It'll get more clarity to everybody 780 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,716 involved. >> Can can I interject something real 781 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,736 quick? Uh, [clears throat] 782 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:49,040 at at what point in time do we determine what number are we willing to go in the 783 01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:53,199 hole on this on? Cuz that's uh I'm one of the ones that voted to to demo this 784 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:55,360 thing. I don't think that's any secret. Uh cuz I'm all 785 01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:58,800 » the banker. >> Yeah, cuz I'm all about if is it going 786 01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:04,800 to make money because my understanding of the EDC is jobs, retention, and sales 787 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:09,600 tax. And every time I sit down and put 788 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:14,880 numbers to this to this project, it makes my head explode. Uh so when we're 789 01:14:13,679 --> 01:14:19,120 talking about leveling the floor, not leveling the floor out, we're looking at 790 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:22,880 probably, and again, I don't know because we don't have bids, but roughly 791 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:27,920 going on averages what it costs to rehab a building. We're we're pushing $5 792 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:33,679 million to rehab this building. So, at what when are we going to say, 793 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:39,280 » you know, 8 million in this is enough or seven million is this is enough as as 794 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:44,719 the EDC board or and you guys are going to give approval. Are y'all okay with 795 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:50,560 us? Is the public okay with us going in a hole so deep with 796 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:54,960 money we get from sales tax that they're paying? At what point in time do we draw 797 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:59,280 the line and say this is all we're going to quote lose on this property that 798 01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:02,880 we're never ever going to get back. Nobody's going to buy this, especially 799 01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:05,440 if we have to subsidize it. >> Right. 800 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:09,840 » Uh the meeting yesterday, I was told and it was great news that the maker space, 801 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:14,159 not Mark, but maker space. It's a great com. I'm not against that. I have 802 01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:20,400 absolutely and none nobody on this board. We have absolutely no vested 803 01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:24,560 interest on what goes in here. You know, we had a meeting yesterday and 804 01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:28,400 on Facebook I've been called inferred as being stupid, a onetrick pony. 805 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:34,000 » Help for idiot. >> Idiot shouldn't be on this board on 806 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:39,600 Facebook. I don't What is that about? Because I'm stating a position which is 807 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:46,400 not what he he didn't want to hear it. But we have to have that conversation 808 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:50,320 about how much money are we willing to dump into this project and never get 809 01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:57,040 back. >> Well, what I'm keeps concerning me or 810 01:15:53,040 --> 01:16:02,560 what I don't understand is we have had children's recital in there. Why can't 811 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:07,120 we continue to use those facilities for those kind of events and more events? 812 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:11,600 Why why can't we take baby steps? Why do we have to spend $5 million? We're 813 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:17,440 already having kids in there, so there must be structurally sound other than 814 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:20,320 liability to be crazy to have in the main art. 815 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:23,360 » But somebody just said, let's look at at flattening the floor. Why would you 816 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:27,040 flatten the floor if you're going to use useful for performing arts? 817 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,199 » Reiterate, it was not in the main sanctuary. 818 01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:33,120 » It was not in the main sanctuary. >> It was 819 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:36,880 » It was in the main sanctuary. their Saturday event was. 820 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:41,120 » But the the thing is I I want to bring up one more thing on with Danny just so 821 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:45,679 that we're clear on this. Any project you look at, you have to look at the 822 01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:50,080 exit strategy. Our deal is not to own assets long-term. It's to turn them 823 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:56,480 over, make a profit, or move on to the next project if it's viable. So if we've 824 01:16:53,679 --> 01:17:00,719 spent 5 million in it, 4.6 acquisition, and whatever the cost of the consultants 825 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:07,360 are, we put another five in it. We're in at 10. just putting five in it. In three 826 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:12,000 to five years, if we wanted to get out and we haven't done a reno on that, 827 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:15,360 who's going to pay us $10 million for that piece of property? 828 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,199 There's nobody. They would have already bought it. 829 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,920 » That's right. >> That's why we want to take baby steps. 830 01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:22,400 » But then we get drugged through the streets because we wasted taxpayers 831 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,719 money. >> I got it. 832 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,239 » That's coming. And I'm telling you right now, 833 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:31,199 » it's already been said. >> Yeah. But we're not wasting it. We we 834 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:34,560 have we have these we're not we have to get these feasibility studies. The guy 835 01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:39,360 was from New York but he didn't say it was going to be he knew the area. He 836 01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:44,560 knew it completely. It was 60,000 bucks. Did it help us? Probably not that much. 837 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:49,199 But it's something that we have to do by the guidelines that were set on by the 838 01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:53,280 EDC. We can't just There's so many rules on this thing because it's our charter 839 01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:57,280 that we can't just operate as a normal business. Our hands are tied on like 840 01:17:55,360 --> 01:18:01,440 these bids. It sounds ridiculous to me that we can't bid something out by a 841 01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:04,239 dollar amount. So, I just >> Councilwoman McNa, you had something to 842 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:09,760 say. >> It's It's getting confusing. I don't 843 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:12,880 even know what a flat floor. Why? You said a community center would have to 844 01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:16,800 have a flat >> if if you were to go into any 845 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:20,320 auditorium, a convention center, you're going to have a flat floor to put tables 846 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:26,480 up, curtains, >> have some type of MC kind of like what's 847 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:31,679 the what's the place on 249? uh the theater like that. That's a flat floor 848 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:36,640 venue, right? Versus an auditorium that's got a slope, which you need for 849 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:41,120 people to be able to see the stage. There's other things you can do. If you 850 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:45,920 flat floor it, which means we'd have to build out the whole stage differently. 851 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:52,000 It's got to be raised or people can't see on a flat for venue to see a 852 01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:57,360 performing arts. It's difficult. It's It becomes a bad hybrid is what it does. So 853 01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:05,600 either or you have anything you want to add to that? 854 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:12,480 » Just that I feel like the council is not fully understanding the difficult 855 01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:17,440 situation that these items are putting the EDC board and the EDC advisor the 856 01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:22,239 legacy square advisory committee in because I sat there yesterday, 857 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:27,440 Councilman Parr sat there yesterday and listened. You know, we participated too, 858 01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:35,040 but mostly listening to this this advisory committee work so 859 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:42,080 hard to try to develop something viable within the within the parameters of 860 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:45,360 these six motions that are are too vague. They are. I know you said you 861 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:50,000 want to leave it vague on purpose, but it it [clears throat] I mean that it was 862 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:56,800 just it was three hours of discussions and I watched this group try so hard. I 863 01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:01,360 mean, every single bit of brain power brought into that room which was 864 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:05,440 enormous and everybody loves to ball and everybody wants the best and everybody 865 01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:09,199 wants to listen to the residents, but we also have to make make money and 866 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:14,400 everything has to pay for itself. Nothing can operate unless it pays for 867 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:18,480 itself. Hands down. >> I don't mean it pays for itself because 868 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:25,600 it brings more tax dollars in. It has to pay for itself. That's it. And and and 869 01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:30,640 it and it's just and it seems so simple. Oh, just take baby steps. It it seems so 870 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:35,520 simple and and we can just adjourn here today and go forward and try again and 871 01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:39,120 just keep coming back. And that's an alternative and that's probably where 872 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,600 we're headed, right? It's just most most >> C 873 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:46,080 line item for this. >> I don't I disagree with that. I I think 874 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:50,400 we can get direction from you guys >> just by setting Shelley mentioned 875 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:55,360 parking's the hot spot. Traffic congestion's a hot spot. Councilman Parr 876 01:20:52,880 --> 01:21:00,800 brought up there's things we could do for traffic and con congestion during 877 01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:05,760 any type of performance over there. barricades, police, whatever we've got 878 01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:10,320 to do to help the congestion to get people in and out of the the venue over 879 01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:16,640 there, that can be done. But if we say it's 600, 600, that that right there 880 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:20,880 defines who we can go talk to, what we can and can't do there. I'll tell you, 881 01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:26,159 Tomball pageant, Tomball, Miss Tombball Pageant, that's not big enough. So, 882 01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:30,640 they're going to stay at at uh Real Life or they'll stay at Salem at other 883 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:34,000 venues. It's not big enough for them. So then we we got to just really kind of 884 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:40,880 pair down what we could and couldn't do in that facility. Then the the the 885 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:46,400 tenants become less limited. So that's really what we're facing. So 886 01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:51,520 let let's let's first redefine bu number one building a main sanctuary 887 01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:56,960 remove any reference to it being used as a community center because the cost to 888 01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:59,520 flatten that floor are prohibitive. >> Yeah. But we don't know that right now. 889 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:03,520 Wait, >> we can do that. 890 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:08,719 » The I can the dollars that it's going to take to flatten that floor 891 01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:12,480 » are absurd. Let's look at moving the the use of 892 01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:16,239 building F >> the Oxford 893 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:19,239 using a portion of it as a community center 894 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:28,000 » and then the rest of it make it maker space or what whatever else you guys are 895 01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:31,440 looking at doing with that that back space. 896 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:35,679 » I say we're flexible in that regards. But I just find it ironic once we issued 897 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:40,639 a directive Monday. Now we're getting all these ideas coming at us. Well, we 898 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:44,719 didn't have anything until we till we got a till we issued a directive. This 899 01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:48,639 is what we want EDC to do. I >> I don't think we knew. I mean, for a 900 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:52,880 year we've been discussing this and it was going to be a community center, city 901 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:57,280 hall. Who knew? So, >> it's just the point that it's been 902 01:22:54,400 --> 01:23:00,880 sitting there for so long. So the only thing council felt we need to give a 903 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:06,239 directive of what we want to get off the snide to have that facility start adding 904 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:10,080 money to the city's coffers. >> Well, the church only moved out last 905 01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:17,199 year. Number one, the church has been in there since la till last year and the 906 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:21,199 CDC had set up a situation in which we thought we were going to get input and 907 01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:26,639 that was at the strategic planning retreat. like we thought that so we we 908 01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:28,960 have asked we we wanted this very much so 909 01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:32,320 » how much revenue is Pearl Fenture bringing to us 910 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:35,120 » we don't know that was what >> how long's it been that y'all been 911 01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:38,560 talking to Pearl Fenture >> they had a board meeting that was 912 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:41,600 delayed last month they had a board meeting that was delayed last month I 913 01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:43,440 think it's due >> it's supposed to be in the next couple 914 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:47,199 of weeks >> because I mean this is I mean I've heard 915 01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:49,600 Pearl Fenture for six eight months >> okay not us 916 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:53,280 » but they have a board that they have to address as well and so their strategic 917 01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:56,560 IC planning session got moved back. That's what we were waiting on was was 918 01:23:55,120 --> 01:24:00,239 feedback from their strategic planning session. I just heard back from their 919 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:02,800 executive director this week that it got pushed back. 920 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:08,320 » Can you explain to me what venture actually is going to be bringing 921 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:13,040 » as as far as monetary or >> rent the old chapel? 922 01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:19,120 » What? Say that again. I'm sorry. >> Explain to me what they are supposed to 923 01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:22,880 be putting into the old chapel. Pearl venture. So, it would be very similar to 924 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:26,480 what they have now. It it >> I've never been to. 925 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:30,000 » It's a It's a full fine arts museum. So, you you walk through different rooms. 926 01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:34,719 You've got fine art on the wall. You've got sculptures. You've got different um 927 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:38,719 educational components. So, they have a lot of schools that come in and do 928 01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:42,080 different things. They they do classes. They do different events. 929 01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:45,760 » Small chapel's big enough for that. >> They're in about 4,000 square feet now. 930 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:48,880 So, our small chapel is about the same size. 931 01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:51,440 » Okay. And you have no idea what kind of revenue they'd be. 932 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,960 » We we don't yet. No. >> The gentleman that was here a minute 933 01:24:52,719 --> 01:25:01,920 ago, I think he's left already, the art guy, he was talking He was talking about 934 01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:06,159 There he is. He's talking about $10,000 a month. Will Pearl Fincher be doing 935 01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:09,199 something like that or a lot more? >> I I don't know. I don't want to speak 936 01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:13,280 for them because the county would be involved in that. We We've talked about 937 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:17,280 hot funds and whatnot and I don't want to throw a number out and be completely 938 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:21,600 wrong. One other addition on the Pearl Fenture is they have expressed I met 939 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:27,840 with Kelly with Pearl Fenture. They they have expressed an interest to put in 940 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:32,320 some type of what would you call it a um banquet glass banquet hall on the back 941 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:38,639 of the chapel. So they would have a place to put um serving food and our 942 01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:43,440 derves and have little fundraiser type things. That's one thing that they would 943 01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:46,320 wanted us to consider because they can't do that in their current setting. But 944 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,480 there's >> they want us to put a more money into 945 01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:52,000 it. >> It's not the us. They just wanted to 946 01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:55,280 know if that would be considered. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. But there 947 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:58,719 if we'd consider putting more money into it, 948 01:25:56,159 --> 01:26:02,080 » not necessarily our money, Councilman. What I'm saying is that they wanted to 949 01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:06,800 know if there was enough room real estate to do that. And we said yes. When 950 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:10,480 we look today, you'll see it actually attaches right on the back of the 951 01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:15,120 chapel. They currently don't have that uh option. So they're saying they would 952 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:18,239 bring money but we've never heard how many zeros are there. Okay. 953 01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:22,000 » So we don't know yet. >> But they are very interested. But they 954 01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:25,920 are like I mentioned earlier they were directly intertwined with the boards of 955 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:28,480 face. >> Some people serve on both boards. 956 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:34,480 » Okay. >> So it's a very sensitive and moving 957 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:38,159 conversation. So, it's possible that they wouldn't 958 01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,040 want to be there without the other, one without the other. 959 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:47,360 » That hasn't come out yet, but it certainly could. That that the high 960 01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:52,080 donation people and the hideboard people are actually on both in some cases. 961 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:56,239 » And we're talking about the 1949 and the sanctuary. So, 962 01:26:54,239 --> 01:27:00,239 » which could be not bad news if we have someone who wants to lease out both and 963 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,239 we're good. And then we just talk about the fellowship Paul and what we're going 964 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:06,719 to do with that >> and the demo, right? and the demo. Yeah, 965 01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,840 » but can we go and do the demo and get that out of the way? 966 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:13,440 » I think so. And make Yeah, >> thank you. I just 967 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:17,840 » I said that I agree with what you just >> But that's that's valuable information 968 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:22,880 you guys are giving us to I know we've had these conversations, but how close 969 01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:25,920 are we really? Is it a reality? >> Or is this something we're going to be 970 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:30,560 sitting here in another six months and a year? Because I promise you, if we're 971 01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:34,800 here next year again talking about this, it's these five people's fault. Okay? 972 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:37,920 It's our fault >> because we're not taking action. 973 01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:42,000 » Figured himself too. That that's >> all five of us because we're just 974 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:45,440 sitting here. >> Here's the timeline. Here's the 975 01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:50,639 timeline. We were supposed to meet in early May, got pushed to the end of May. 976 01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:54,639 We met with them in June. They were supposed to have a board meeting in 977 01:27:52,000 --> 01:28:00,000 July. Didn't occur. So now we're waiting on their August board meeting. So it's 978 01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:03,679 not us. Kelly's reaching out to them. my tapper every week about it saying, "Hey, 979 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:07,280 find out where they are. Find out where they are because I want to know what the 980 01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:10,719 dollars are, too." Because it's either out of their pocket or out of our 981 01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:12,480 pocket. Do we really want to do that? >> Yeah. 982 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:17,440 » So, and if the county's bringing money to help, which is what we've heard, then 983 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:20,560 that's even a better deal. But there's always there may be caveats attached to 984 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:25,679 that. We don't know what those look like yet either. So, we so we're we're trying 985 01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:31,040 to go down that road and provide you that information. We just don't have it 986 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:31,040 all yet, but we're trying. 987 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:40,400 I I move or I think the thought process I think we made good headway here but 988 01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:44,719 until we start eliminating some items go look at it understand more what you guys 989 01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:48,320 want to do that we table this for another discussion to further you know 990 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,040 dive into >> direction to move forward with tearing 991 01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:54,080 down the building >> well I thought we had done yeah we've 992 01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:57,440 already agreed to do that I thought we did that last week 993 01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:00,639 » as long as long as it's captured up here that the direction just move forward 994 01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,679 with tearing down the building. >> Correct. 995 01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,880 » Got the >> And I agree. 996 01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:11,360 » And no, you know, of any shape, size, or form, right? No, no, no live music. 997 01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:14,960 » You you know there's >> Would you say live music? 998 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,960 » Building B, building E, building >> choir in there. 999 01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:21,600 » Yeah. I'm talking about >> I'm talking about bringing in 1000 01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:24,400 » an act. >> Yeah, 1001 01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:27,360 » that's huge because the whole time I've been on the board, it's been live music. 1002 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:31,679 Live music live music. >> Hold up. Let's Let's stop real. I I just 1003 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:37,920 want a show of hands. Who wants to start with the demolition cuz I want it just 1004 01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:41,040 completely transparent. Okay. >> Thank you. 1005 01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:47,199 » Can we also agree that we're going to try and pinpoint 600 to 650 depending on 1006 01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:49,600 what the what the buildout looks like. I >> I don't think we can make that judgment 1007 01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,840 call right now. >> I definitely don't want to make that 1008 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,360 judgment call. >> Okay. 1009 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,199 » Not at this time. >> No. 1010 01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,120 » About the number of people, >> right? 1011 01:29:55,520 --> 01:30:01,199 » Yeah. Right. cuz I don't want to add parking. 1012 01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:03,280 » No, but we said the 600 doesn't require adding parking. 1013 01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:09,040 » 75. >> Okay. So, do 500 or less. 1014 01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:13,600 » It's a it's a it's a balance. And each each space has to kind of park itself. 1015 01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:18,239 So, the the parking requirement for the main sanctuary is one parking space per 1016 01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:25,040 four seats. That's at its current capacity, it's 175 stalls. We have 313 1017 01:30:22,239 --> 01:30:30,239 stalls out there today. So without doing like that area where the playground was 1018 01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:35,840 without turning that into more parking, if we left the parking the way it is 1019 01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:39,120 today, you could keep the 700 seats. What that reduces is the amount of 1020 01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:45,040 square footage that you have that's leasable in the fellowship hall. So, it 1021 01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:50,880 reduces it down to about 23,000 ft² versus about 32,000 ft² to keep all the 1022 01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:54,400 parking in the existing parking lots and spaces as they are today without adding 1023 01:30:53,760 --> 01:31:00,000 anything. >> Yeah, the the analysis you did and and 1024 01:30:56,639 --> 01:31:05,520 gave to us uh just on >> and and thank you for doing that. 1025 01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:11,600 And just so the uh public knows, we have requested that they commence plans for 1026 01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:17,520 parking lot in which is behind the depot so that it takes some of that congestion 1027 01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:22,960 away from that area and just to find out if that helps with everything to 1028 01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:27,400 alleviate that congestion. So we are working on that too. 1029 01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:34,880 I have a it's more of a it's not a technical question or or wanted to hear 1030 01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:38,080 from I feel like I do that on the board but this has been a really productive 1031 01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:42,080 conversation and I think that conversations like this need to happen 1032 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:45,840 probably more often to to so everyone can 1033 01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:49,120 continue to be on the same page because from what I'm understanding it seems 1034 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:52,320 there's been a lot of work that's been done from from Wayne from from the 1035 01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:58,639 advisory committee that hasn't been communicated to council. Um and I'm 1036 01:31:55,920 --> 01:32:02,400 wondering how we can better the better the communication between the board and 1037 01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:06,960 council so that you all aren't hearing the things for the first time or if you 1038 01:32:04,639 --> 01:32:12,000 are it's it's not you know six months after those conversations have happened. 1039 01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:17,600 So wanted to throw out the possibility of meeting join jointly meeting with 1040 01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:21,679 these two bodies more often. I'm not not suggesting every single month, but once 1041 01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:24,880 once a quarter, once every six months, something like that. Just so that we all 1042 01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:28,400 continue to stay on the same page and that no one's surprised by anything. I 1043 01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:32,560 know there's a lot of stuff. I know there's a lot of things that have that 1044 01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:36,639 that time people's time and this is a lot of time to be spent on this, but 1045 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:39,920 this reporting to the public, we all want to get be sure that we get it 1046 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:45,600 right. [clears throat] >> Okay. Ju just to clarify, we had two 1047 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:51,760 city council people in the advisory committee that have been on there since 1048 01:32:46,719 --> 01:32:55,600 we formed it. So both both Lisa >> Danny was on there. He had to step away 1049 01:32:53,679 --> 01:33:00,480 for a while. Lisa filled that spot, but Ry's been on there the whole time as 1050 01:32:57,679 --> 01:33:05,520 well. So we have had council people on there. I think the big misnomer in the 1051 01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:10,560 whole project from the get-go was we had a consultant that completely blew this 1052 01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:15,120 thing out of the water and it was like the Titanic going down and it set off 1053 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:19,920 all the bells and whistles and it was a reject from the minute I stepped on in 1054 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:25,280 May of 25. Wasn't going that way. Was not going to get approved. So that's and 1055 01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:30,080 I I've said it before I think three meetings back and I said it at strategic 1056 01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:34,639 planning. We have hit the reset button. We're all on board to go from a groundup 1057 01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:39,520 approach, but we just need the parameters to we're not out going with 1058 01:33:37,679 --> 01:33:43,199 six different versions of this. Let's narrow the scope down to where it's two 1059 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:46,800 or three versions that we can all get our hands around and kind of go forward 1060 01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:51,760 with that. I know one of the main issues was we're being very selective with our 1061 01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:57,520 words because one of our main concerns is that we say we're okay with something 1062 01:33:55,199 --> 01:34:03,120 and now we're having events till 10:00 every weekend because it's called some 1063 01:34:00,639 --> 01:34:07,520 kind of a recital and now we've got this problem to deal with because I guarantee 1064 01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:13,760 you the citizens are going to come to city hall to hammer the council not EDC 1065 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:18,800 » and we need to make sure their voice is heard and that we don't allow allow 1066 01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:24,000 whatever we want to call this event and it's every weekend at 10:00 1067 01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:29,280 » but it's within our parameters. You see what I'm getting at? 1068 01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:31,760 » I I I I think some of the issues because most of it's going to revolve around 1069 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:36,800 traffic. >> I think some of those issues could be 1070 01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:41,360 mitigated through barricading streets that lead in through the residential 1071 01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:44,960 areas and and push everything out toward Main Street down two streets. Well, I 1072 01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:48,719 don't know if the citizens would like that either. You know, that restricts 1073 01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:53,840 their in and out. >> That's 1074 01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:57,920 two streets that have very few residential buildings left on 1075 01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,960 them. They're all They've all been converted to a um 1076 01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:07,719 » retail >> commercial. 1077 01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:07,719 Pine Street would be one. 1078 01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:15,760 » I'm trying to remember what the next one to the Oak. 1079 01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:17,760 So you would block off all the ones come off. 1080 01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:19,920 » We we would block the street. We would block the streets. 1081 01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:22,800 » We're going to pay the city to do that. >> Yeah. I mean we we do it for German 1082 01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:25,840 fest. >> Yeah. But 1083 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:28,719 » I don't like I'm not gonna go for it. >> I don't like that idea. 1084 01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:32,639 » I don't like that at all. >> Councilwoman Mna. Yeah. That be one way 1085 01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:37,040 to mitigate the issue. >> Yeah. That and even like EP Street right 1086 01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:41,360 there. Y'all know one car. >> That's right. It's it's a I don't know 1087 01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:46,560 if we could do oneway streets just >> was talking about his truck. It's a dy. 1088 01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:50,800 » You have to get over right. You do even if somebody's walking 1089 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:54,880 that's that needs to be looked at that traffic oneway street something. Even if 1090 01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:58,560 we didn't have a place that that street's pretty small. 1091 01:35:56,719 --> 01:36:02,560 » And then you got to realize too when you start doing that the lighting has got to 1092 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:06,960 change there. >> Yeah. You've got to start talking about 1093 01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:13,360 the cost of lighting that parking lots up and the walking the sidewalks you've 1094 01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:18,239 got to build to do it so you can walk. You're talking about adding cost to the 1095 01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:24,320 city now that we can't afford. And the the lighting, it's got to be 1096 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:30,719 done if you're going to right now. They don't have to light it up because nobody 1097 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:34,159 meets at night. They're very church only did. The parking lots do have parking 1098 01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,800 lot lighting. >> Not enough lighting. 1099 01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:42,639 » Not enough. But there is lighting. >> Add lights. And you can call them what 1100 01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:45,840 are they night something or where >> like the dark sky. 1101 01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:49,440 » Dark sky. That's the word. It don't work. 1102 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:52,800 » My whole backyard's lit up right now where I can walk outside anytime and see 1103 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,880 anything. I want >> dark sky light. 1104 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,760 » You got that right. >> I've seen those dark skylights. They go 1105 01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:01,119 straight down. I bet their dark sky lights aren't the good ones. Maybe. I 1106 01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:04,960 don't know. I haven't been over there. I hardly even 1107 01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:08,320 » I figured you knew what kind they were. >> All right. I think we've had really good 1108 01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:12,320 discussion here. I want to table this conversation for a future period so we 1109 01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:16,639 can nail down some more items so we can be a little bit more selective on the 1110 01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:21,280 our direction on what we want to do. I think we have a good parameter of what 1111 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:25,840 we're looking at wanting to do. Uh we've got at least a list that we can start 1112 01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:30,719 from and move forward. But I I think we need to just stick to our guns and move 1113 01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:36,320 forward. And I just don't want to be talking about this again next year. 1114 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:40,000 » May I ask what? So if we did decide that we're going to move forward with a 1115 01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:43,280 demolition, is that mean we're going to move forward 1116 01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:46,000 with some quotes, >> right? That's what 1117 01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,800 » they're going to get some quotes on that demolition. 1118 01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:52,080 » Okay. >> Yeah. They they've already got at least 1119 01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:55,760 a parameter of about a half million dollars to tear it down. and that's what 1120 01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:58,159 we put in the budget form. >> Okay. 1121 01:37:56,159 --> 01:38:03,440 » Okay. Any other discussion? 1122 01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:08,800 Thank everyone for coming out. I hope we answered a lot of the public's questions 1123 01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:11,760 and feel free anytime to reach out and we'll tell you what we know. Thank you 1124 01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:18,719 so much. >> Is there a motion to adjurnn the EDC? 1125 01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:24,880 » All those in favor? >> Is there a motion to adjurnn? 1126 01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:24,880 » She did already did it. 1127 01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:29,080 I don't have to do it again. 1128 01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,840 » The meeting is a