[15:08] At this time, I'd like to call to order
the special Joint Council, City Council,
[15:13] and Tomal Economic Development
Corporation meeting for August 21st,
[15:18] 2026. The time now is 100 pm.
>> And at this time, I will call to order
[15:27] the August 21st, 2026 special joint
meeting of the Pal Economic Development
[15:32] Corporation Board of Director Pal City
Council. And it is called to order at 1
[15:36] p.m.
>> Right now, we're going to move to public
[15:39] comments and receipt of petitions. At
this time, anyone will be allowed to
[15:43] speak on any matter other than personal
matters or matters under litigation for
[15:47] a length of time not to exceed 3
minutes.
[15:51] No council or board discussion or action
may take place on a matter until such
[15:56] matter has been placed on the agenda and
posted in accordance with a law GC551
[16:01] spot 042.
With no objection, consil council
[16:06] remarks shall not be profane, vulgar,
and abusive. if you guys already know
[16:10] that and um no personal attacks will be
tolerated. Thank you for your
[16:15] cooperation. We have anybody that's
wants to speak.
[16:18] » Yes, sir. First one is Esther Marina.
>> Marina, please give us your full name
[16:25] and address, please.
>> Esther Mera 515 Kane Street.
[16:30] I remember the very first time I ever
came to this council room to speak to
[16:35] the council. It was the day the TDC
brought in here their consultant from
[16:38] New York to present their plan for the
venue and the room was completely full.
[16:43] The lobby was completely full. The
people showed up to oppose that plan
[16:48] because we love this town. And today I
am here to say thank you. Thank you to
[16:52] this council. Thank you for supporting
and for voting down this development. We
[16:57] are honored to have you as our
representatives. I also remember that
[17:01] first day when Lisa Coington was here
acting simultaneously as the council
[17:07] woman that she is and the president of
the TDC. She said she sat there and then
[17:12] she crossed over and argued at length in
favor of the TDC's. How is this ethical?
[17:19] It's like looking at a soccer game where
the referee is also playing for one of
[17:23] the teams. Will Lisa Coington finally
recuse herself?
[17:28] Last time I spoke here, I presented how
the TDC has kept the community in the
[17:34] dark to pursue its own agenda.
Apparently, they didn't like that
[17:38] because shortly afterward, the TDC
expelled me from the community advisory
[17:43] board. At the TDC, apparently free
speech has consequences.
[17:50] But the TDC has had its chance and it
has failed. It has wasted hundreds of
[17:56] thousands of community dollars on
consultants. Its salaries and operating
[18:00] costs are astronomical and it has
repeatedly antagonize the community. I
[18:06] want to acknowledge also that there are
very honorable people, very honorable
[18:10] people serving at the TDC boards and I
have seen them become uncomfortable with
[18:14] the course its leadership is taken. But
the fact still remains that the TDC has
[18:19] already developed virtually all the
available land in Tumble and at this
[18:22] point is just like a cancer with nowhere
left to grow and now trying to consume
[18:27] the very heart of Tombal. Tumble
deserves better than that. Maybe it is
[18:32] time to say goodbye to an organization
that has become expensive,
[18:35] untrustworthy,
and deeply out of touch with the
[18:38] community it is supposed to serve. And
this is not just talk. 1,000 signatures
[18:44] can put this on the ballot. 10,000
signatures. Tombal can easily do that.
[18:50] The time has come to put the future of
Tombal back where it belongs, in the
[18:54] hands of this council
and the people of Tombal. Thank you.
[18:59] » Thank you.
>> Do we have another person?
[19:03] » Yeah. Next, we have John Reed.
>> Mr. Reid, your name and address.
[19:11] I know what it is. [laughter]
Um,
[19:16] I'm I'm uh stalling till I get my phone
open. I'm John Reid uh 515 Kain Street.
[19:23] Um,
today I came here uh to thank the
[19:27] council um for your position taken on
the Legacy Square project going forward.
[19:35] I appreciate it. You listen to the
community and the community I know
[19:40] appreciates being heard. I'd also like
to thank the community. Um, there were a
[19:46] lot of people who have been coming out
here repeatedly spending their time
[19:51] putting putting out their ideas for what
should happen here and we don't all
[19:55] agree but everyone deserves the right to
be heard and I thank everybody. Um, I um
[20:07] wanted to talk about investing in
Tombball because that's sort of part of
[20:12] the nature of this whole project and I
think um the original uh the feasibility
[20:20] study presented by Duncan Webb when he
presented it he said uh there will be no
[20:26] return on investment the it's not
possible you have to raise the money to
[20:30] do all this and then rent it. Um, that
sounds rough. Uh, I say invest less,
[20:37] have more fun, find out what the
community wants. And I'm also here to
[20:43] clear up a few things about makerpace
and community centers because I've been
[20:47] involved with them and I've gone to see
them. Um, maker spaces, I'm not going to
[20:53] say they make money because they're
nonprofit, but they they build up money.
[20:58] Uh the Maker Barn right up the street
here has a 9month waiting list to get
[21:03] in. And uh that should tell you that
people are waiting nine months to pay
[21:08] their dues. It's a viable,
workable organization. Most community
[21:14] centers are generate positive revenue.
They're not supported by tax dollars.
[21:19] Some are there. There are definitely
some, but most not. Um, and the nice
[21:25] thing about these things is that they
can be um, evolved into what fits the
[21:31] community the best. And I think that's
what we're all really here hopefully to
[21:37] talk about is how we're going to invest
best in the community.
[21:43] And this is an investment that kind of
goes beyond economic de uh, investment.
[21:49] And frankly, I think the economic
investment of the previous grand plan is
[21:56] bankruptcy.
And I think that a much more modest plan
[22:01] and a plan that invests in the community
is a far better plan. It brings people
[22:07] down here. Uh it gets them together. It
lets retired people teach skills to
[22:12] other people. It gives space for crafts,
children's activities, artists, music,
[22:18] all those things.
>> Sir, that's your time.
[22:20] » That's my time.
>> Thank you, Mr.
[22:22] » You get the idea.
>> Thank you so much to everyone.
[22:26] » Next, we have Kristen Hec.
[22:31] » Name and address Hec.
>> Oh, that's
[22:37] » Kristen Hecra.
Uh first and foremost, I do want to
[22:41] sincerely thank the members of city
council who have listened to the
[22:46] residents and recognized the concern
surrounding this project.
[22:50] Um it does mean a lot when our elected
officials actually listen to the people
[22:54] they represent. Most of you have earned
the respect you deserve.
[22:58] As a lifetime resident who truly cares
about preserving the character of
[23:02] Tombbo,
I do want to find ways for our community
[23:06] to grow in a way that makes sense.
I don't believe a large music hall
[23:11] or additional parking lots are what
Tombbo needs
[23:15] really. I would much rather see green
space that we have left and where
[23:19] possible maybe even add more. We have
spent countless dollars on studies and
[23:25] plans prepared by people who in my
opinion they don't have Tombbo's best
[23:29] interest at heart.
At this point, I question
[23:34] really whether the TDC is serving the
direction this community actually wants.
[23:39] Really, in my opinion, the TDC has
become irrelevant to Tombal's future,
[23:43] and I will firmly stand behind a citizen
petition to dissolve it completely.
[23:50] As the founder and president of the
Tombball Preservation Society, I would
[23:53] personally love to develop or help
develop a Tombbo heritage and
[23:58] agricultural corner. if we turn this
property into a community center uh or
[24:03] an art market concept.
Um Tombbo has such a rich history, you
[24:08] guys, and from the railroad and
agriculture to the oil boom that helped
[24:11] shape our town. I think we have an
opportunity to tell a story in a way
[24:15] that is fun and meaningful for the next
generation.
[24:19] I love to see historic photographs and
displays highlighting Tomba's oil,
[24:25] railroad, farming, and ranching history
alongside an interactive agricultural
[24:30] area where children can learn about farm
animals and where their food actually
[24:36] comes from.
We could involve our local FFA and 4H
[24:41] students. They need that. Um, we need to
allow them to bring animals and teach
[24:45] children and families about different
breeds of livestock, agriculture, and
[24:49] the work that goes into raising them.
This is really something I would
[24:53] personally love to be involved with.
Preservation isn't only about protecting
[24:57] what is still standing. It's about
making sure the next generation
[25:01] understands where to came from. We don't
need to turn turn to something else.
[25:06] Let's invest in what makes Tombball
Tombball. Thank you.
[25:14] Next we have Kendall Wolf.
[25:24] » Name and address
[25:28] » Indel Wolf 504 Kain Street.
>> Thank you.
[25:32] » Thank you.
Today I want to begin with something I
[25:36] believe extremely is extremely
important. saying thank you to those who
[25:41] listened to the residents of Tombbo who
heard our concerns and who took the time
[25:45] to consider what this proposal would
actually mean for the people who live
[25:48] here and who ultimately voted against
the Sorry, I lose my place. Okay, thank
[25:55] you. You did not simply cast a vote. You
demonstrated that the voices of the
[25:59] residents still matter. And I want you
to understand that your decision was
[26:02] noted noticed. It mattered and it gave
many of us a renewed sense of faith that
[26:06] our elected officials can still listen
to the people they represent.
[26:11] Because this fight has never been about
being against progress. It has never
[26:14] been about being against homba and it
certainly hasn't been about
[26:19] being against the arts, entertainment or
economic development. It is about what
[26:23] kind of development belongs in this
particular place. We are talking about a
[26:27] historic part of downtown Tombbo. We are
talking about a property with deep
[26:31] historical and personal significance to
families in this community. We are
[26:35] talking about the former First Baptist
Church property and the surrounding
[26:38] neighborhood, not just an empty empty
parcel of land sitting on the outside of
[26:42] town. The proposal has consequences
beyond what can be placed on a
[26:46] presentation board.
A large music venue brings traffic. It
[26:50] brings parking demands. It brings noise.
It br it changes the character of the
[26:54] surrounding area. And when additional
parking is proposed to accommodate that
[26:58] development, the impact does not simply
disappear,
[27:02] it gets pushed outward into the
surrounding community. This is why
[27:06] residents had continued to speak. And
that is why I'm asking this council not
[27:11] to make persistence mistake persistence
for opposition to progress. We are
[27:16] present because we care about Tombbo.
[27:21] When one person has leadership role in
an in entity advancing or supporting a
[27:26] development concept and simultaneously
holds an elected position responsible
[27:30] for considering matters involving that
development, the public has every right
[27:34] whether to ask to ask whether the pro
process is sufficiently
[27:41] independent and transparent. And even
when every action is technically
[27:46] permissible, the appearance of divided
interests interests matters. Our local
[27:52] government should not merely avoid
actual conflicts. It should avoid
[27:56] situations that cause residents to
reasonably question whether they are
[27:59] receiving an impartial prog process.
This is not an attack. This is
[28:03] accountability. And to those that have
continued pushing this proposal despite
[28:07] the overwhelming concerns raised by
residents, I want to say this as plainly
[28:11] and professionally as I possibly can.
You are not entitled to our silence
[28:15] simply because you disagree with us. You
are not entitled to reshape a historic
[28:19] neighborhood and then tell people who
live there that they should simply
[28:22] accept it. You are not entitled to call
something community development while
[28:26] disregarding the community when they
tell you that they do not want that
[28:29] particular development.
>> Miss Wolf, that's your time. Thank you.
[28:33] » Thank you, Miss L.
>> Who do we have next?
[28:36] » Next, we have Lisa Daniels.
>> Miss Daniels. Name, address, all the
[28:43] particulars.
>> Yeah. Here. Um, Lisa Daniels, 403 EP
[28:48] Street. I'm at the corner of North Oak
in EPS. And my backyard is the backyard
[28:54] of the metal building in the back. The
um I don't forget what it's called, what
[28:58] it's wants to be called. Anyway, I look
at it every morning. Um, good afternoon
[29:03] TDC and members of the Tombball City
Council. I want to thank you for
[29:07] listening to the residents who have
expressed concerns about the proposed
[29:10] development next to our homes. Your
willingness to hear us and consider
[29:15] other possibilities really shows that
citizen involvement matters in Tombball.
[29:20] For those living beside this property,
these plans are more than drawings on
[29:24] paper. These decisions will affect our
home traffic safety, property values,
[29:28] and quality of life.
First, I want to state that I continue
[29:33] to remain opposed to any large amplified
music venue and the additional parking
[29:38] lots needed to support it. That type of
intensive use is not compatible with
[29:43] established uh residential
neighborhoods.
[29:46] However, I do support development that
benefits Tombal while respecting nearby
[29:51] homes. A thoughtfully designed cultural
arts venue in maker space could provide
[29:56] opportunities for local artists, crafts
people, students, families, and small
[30:01] businesses. I hope the city will welcome
formal proposals explaining how these
[30:05] ideas could be brought to fruition. I
also believe that a small portion of the
[30:10] property could accommodate brick walk up
town homes designed to complement
[30:14] architecturally the surrounding area.
This would generate additional property
[30:18] tax revenue and would also create a base
of residents who would regularly shop um
[30:23] eat at the nearby restaurants and
participate in events. Finally, please
[30:27] consider uh making future meetings more
accessible because some are held during
[30:33] the workday and many residents cannot
attend in person. My ask is that could
[30:38] the city look into offering a team's
meeting or another live video option
[30:42] allowing residents to watch and provide
comments remotely. Lastly, I believe
[30:47] that thoughtful development and
neighborhood protection do not have to
[30:50] be opposing goals through collaboration,
creativity, and public participation. I
[30:56] believe we can achieve both. Thank you
for your time, all of you, your service
[31:01] to um Tombball community and consider
continued consideration to the
[31:05] residents, especially the ones most
directly involved. Thank you.
[31:09] » Thank you, Miss Daniels.
>> Next, we have Victoria Hernandez.
[31:21] » Name and address, please. Uh, Victoria
Hernandez, 12715
[31:26] High Drive in Tomball, Texas.
Good afternoon, council members and
[31:31] Tombball EDC. My name is Victoria and I
am a Tomball resident and I'd like to
[31:37] speak about Legacy Square. First, I'd
like to make one thing very clear. I
[31:42] absolutely love live music. Uh, live
music actually shaped my early career.
[31:48] I've worked in many venues oper many
venue operations including White Oak
[31:53] Music Hall in Houston. So I know
firsthand the energy and economic
[31:58] activity a great venue can provide a
city. I I honestly do. But I also know
[32:04] the realities that come with it.
Traffic, parking, neighborhood concerns,
[32:10] and the responsibility of balancing a
destination with the people who call
[32:14] this neighborhood a home.
I'm not here to argue that a music venue
[32:19] is a bad idea. It's not. We have plenty
of them around.
[32:24] I think those conversations are
important, but I believe we're asking
[32:27] the wrong question here in terms of what
can we put into this church?
[32:34] The better question is, what can we put
here that creates the greatest return
[32:39] for the city of Tombal? Because a
handful of homes will benefit from will
[32:44] benefit the families who live in them. A
successful venue will benefit its
[32:48] patrons and the businesses around it.
But what if Legacy Square could do more?
[32:53] What if it could be a creative and
cultural center? A place where artists
[32:57] can teach, students can learn,
nonprofits can gather, entrepreneurs can
[33:02] test ideas,
and small businesses can showcase their
[33:06] work. And neighbors have a reason to
come together.
[33:11] I say that as someone whose boots are
actively on the ground already doing
[33:15] this in Tombball. I live in Tombball. I
play in Tombball. I work in Tombball. I
[33:20] spend every penny here in Tombball. In
spirit of that, I'm actually wearing a
[33:25] Tombball ISD shirt because this morning
I joined Pine Street Eats and Sweets
[33:31] across the street as we gifted 115
breakfast sandwiches on fresh homemade
[33:37] biscuits to welcome the teachers back to
school. I don't say that for recogna
[33:42] recognition. I say that because it
demonstrates something very important.
[33:47] The willingness to invest in one another
is already here. What we lack is the
[33:54] infrastructure that will help that
spirit grow further. That's why I
[33:59] believe creativity shouldn't be viewed
simply as entertainment. It is our
[34:04] economic infrastructure. A creative
center doesn't have to compete with m
[34:09] with music. Music can very well be a
part of the infrastructure. Residential
[34:14] development doesn't have to disappear
from the conversation either. But Legacy
[34:19] Square is a rare opportunity in the
heart of our historic downtown. So I
[34:24] hope we evaluate every proposal by one
simple. Miss Hernandez, special time.
[34:28] Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Hernandez.
[34:32] » Next, we have Eric Sundon.
[34:41] » Name and address, sir.
>> Hi, I'm Eric Sundon. Um, I live about 20
[34:46] minutes away, but it's actually Houston.
Um, it's 15303 Parkville Drive, Houston.
[34:53] Um, but I love Tombball. I love it more
than Houston, that's for sure. So, I was
[34:57] a member of the Da Vinci Gallery for 5
years and became the director and would
[35:03] love to see another gallery in in
Tombball. We have at the Tombow Art
[35:09] League just about 150 artists and
they're all anxious to get to a spot
[35:15] where they can hang their art and sell
it and show it. So, I think that uh
[35:20] looking at Fellowship Hall and I I know
it's not a revenue thing that you guys
[35:25] are so concerned about, but we could
take I'm connected to 200 artists. We
[35:30] could put 200 artists in there for $50 a
month and make $10,000 a month in that
[35:36] space. I mean, as it stands right now.
So, um, I wanted to mention that and
[35:41] make sure that that everybody's aware
that we're actively looking for a space
[35:46] to land. We would love it. Tomball Art
League um, goes out of Lonear College,
[35:53] which is not, you know, not in the
proper in the Tomball, Oldtown Tombball
[35:57] that we want, but all of those artists
would love to be in a spot tomorrow. I'm
[36:04] telling you, they would love it. So, I
just wanted to mention that. And also,
[36:07] I'm finishing the first prototype street
train and it's almost finished. So, so
[36:13] I'm going to be parading that around so
everybody can see it. So, anyway, thank
[36:18] you very much.
>> Thank you, Mr. Sundan.
[36:23] » Is there anybody in the audience that
didn't sign up that would like to speak?
[36:29] » Yes, sir. name at F Street, right across
the street from Lisa. Um, I'm just kind
[36:36] of improving this. I'll make it quick.
I've been a witness to a few
[36:40] conversations. What I haven't heard
anything about is the traffic in the
[36:44] north side of uh on the north side of EP
uh Main Street. I drive an F-150 pickup.
[36:50] When I drive down my street, if there's
a Honda Civic, one of us has to scoot
[36:55] over and stop. And so, I just want to
put that out there. you're bringing all
[36:58] this foot traffic in and car traffic.
You're going to have to widen the roads
[37:02] and you're going to have to add
sidewalks. So, I just want to put that
[37:05] awareness out there. And uh I'll
probably have more to say at the next
[37:08] meeting, but that's all I got for now.
Uh and also, I do want to ditto the uh
[37:12] gratitude. I was at a meeting for the
TEDC couple months ago. A lot of us
[37:16] spoke and I feel like we were hurt. So,
I just want to say thank you for that.
[37:20] » Thank you. [clears throat]
Is there anyone else that would like to
[37:24] speak?
No. Well, we'll move on to the next
[37:28] item.
Councilman Coington,
[37:36] » do business consideration and possible
action by Tombal EDC to approve the
[37:41] Tombal Economic Development Corporation
fiscal year 2026 2027 budget.
[37:47] Right into the public hearing.
Okay. The we will have a public hearing
[37:53] on this item. The public hearing for
this item will open at 1:23 p.m. The
[37:58] board will now hear from anyone who
would like to speak for or against the
[38:02] proposed budget.
If you'd like to speak, uh, please come
[38:06] to the podium and state your name and
address and you have three minutes.
[38:17] Nope. Okay. Since there are no comments,
then we're going to close the public
[38:23] hearing at 1:24 PM.
[38:29] » So EDC board. Is there a motion to
approve the Tava Economic Development
[38:33] Corporation fiscal year 2026 2027
budget?
[38:37] » Motion.
>> Second.
[38:40] » Questions or comments? I will make a
note there uh are three changes to this
[38:45] budget based on the conversation that we
had with council at the last meeting.
[38:48] The first change is a reduction in the
Legacy Square line item from 2 million
[38:52] to 750,000.
The second is a reduction in the South
[38:56] Live Oak line item from 600,000 to
350,000
[39:00] and then a removal of any funds for
property acquisition. So those are the
[39:05] three changes in this budget before you
today. Thank you.
[39:13] » Okay. So if there's no Thank you. Thank
you for that, Kelly. If there's no more
[39:17] comments or questions, then I'm going to
call for the vote. All those in favor,
[39:22] please say I.
>> I.
[39:24] » Any opposed?
Motion carries unanimously.
[39:29] The
>> next item we're going to consider is
[39:31] consideration and possible action by Tom
Ball City Council to approve the Tomball
[39:36] economic.
>> I'm sorry, Mayor for Tim. We've got an
[39:40] action by the city council to approve
the Tom.
[39:43] » That's where I'm going to now.
>> Oh, I thought I'm sorry. on day three.
[39:46] My bad.
>> Yeah, I'm sorry.
[39:48] » Okay, no worries. Uh consideration
possible action by Tomball City Council
[39:53] to approve the Tomball Economic
Development Corporation fiscal year 2026
[39:58] 2027
budget. Is there a motion to approve the
[40:03] Tomball Economic Development Corporation
fiscal year 2026 2027 budget?
[40:11] » Motion.
Second
[40:15] discussion.
>> Do we need Lauren? Do we need to read
[40:20] this or anything out loud so everybody
can hear it or
[40:24] » just go with it?
>> You just go with it.
[40:27] » She's posted on the internet for
>> Yeah.
[40:29] » days. But Lisa, the just like the lady
didn't know that you can uh go on an
[40:36] internet and watch every one of our
meetings. There's people out there don't
[40:40] understand that we can do that today.
You can go on the internet. They post a
[40:45] site so that you can see these meetings.
I think you're I know I watch TEDC
[40:51] meetings from my home. I don't attend
them because I don't want to get a
[40:54] quorum going. And you can watch our
meetings every time we have one. It's
[41:01] they're recording it right now.
>> And that's one reason that we're so such
[41:06] a stickler about people coming to the
podium because if you're in the
[41:10] audience, you can't hear. Uh
oh. Well, definitely we need to but I
[41:16] know that one of the speakers today
asked about having Zoom or Teams
[41:22] available since our meeting today is
unfortunately scheduled at this time due
[41:25] to very unfortunate circumstances. It
was not intended to be during the
[41:28] workday. It was supposed to be last
Monday night at 9. Um
[41:33] there were things that happened that
none of us wanted. Um but what and you
[41:40] can't but what we have not ever done is
allowed public comments from that right
[41:45] that's the difference
>> correct well
[41:48] » right
>> yes correct
[41:52] » suppose that could be discussed but
people can submit them in advance if
[41:55] they can't make it then they can submit
it in advance and they'll be read into
[41:58] the record
>> and then they can still
[42:02] » I would like to thank uh EDC Kelly
Violet you guys for uh changing those
[42:08] three items that we we had great
discussions on property acquisitions and
[42:12] obviously South Live Oak and Legacy
Square. Um you're probably wondering why
[42:17] we reduced the cost on all those or the
appropriated amount. The purpose was
[42:21] we're going to work closely together
with each other to find out so that
[42:24] we're both getting what we want. you the
the citizens council and EDC and uh we
[42:32] have agreed that they would come back to
us with budget amendments for the
[42:35] dollars so that we can in essence be in
agreement on every expenditure made. So
[42:40] we want to thank EDC for working with us
on that
[42:45] » one other thing.
>> Yes sir.
[42:48] You can go out for bids on your stuff,
but I thought you had told me you don't
[42:53] go out for bids that y'all do something
else.
[42:57] » We No, we've typically gone out for bids
when we've done stuff. We don't we don't
[43:00] have to follow the same procurement
policy that the city does, but we
[43:03] typically have just because of being
more cautious.
[43:06] » Okay. So, this demolition,
>> you talk about RFPs.
[43:10] » I'm talking about when we go out for de
demolition, you can actually go to
[43:13] multiple companies.
>> We will do an RFQ for the demolition.
[43:17] Yes. That's what I and then you
>> and the and the council will see that
[43:20] RFQ.
>> That's what we were want to see. You
[43:23] just answered my question. Thank you
very much. Young lady,
[43:28] » can I just clarify your question? Were
you asking if the EDC goes out for RFQS
[43:34] for large projects at all or if the EDC
does it when there's no money in the
[43:38] budget for it?
I was under the impression that you
[43:42] couldn't even go out for a bid, that you
had to do something else because I'd
[43:47] been told that some way and or it
wouldn't have been in my mind. And so I
[43:51] misunderstood something that was told to
me.
[43:53] » I I understood that also. I understood
that too. I was told that.
[43:57] » Still don't understand the question. Do
you mean at all ever even when there's
[44:01] plenty of money in the budget or you say
>> I was told you cannot go out for a bid
[44:05] that
>> and everything and so was he? Yeah, I
[44:08] was told that
>> at a different time and so I
[44:11] misunderstood the way it was stated, I
guess.
[44:14] » Okay, that would definitely not have
come from anybody on the EDC board or
[44:17] within the EDC.
>> No, it come from Miss Kelly.
[44:21] » So, don't make statements that you don't
know.
[44:27] » Are you talking
like I said twice now?
[44:31] » Councilman. Okay, guys. Councilman Parr,
you have anything to add? Nope. No.
[44:37] » Any
>> Are you referring to RFQ versus a RFP?
[44:41] Because there's there's a different
process for both.
[44:43] » Request for proposal versus request for
quote
[44:47] » qualifications. I apologize.
>> I just know that when we were talking
[44:53] about the getting the New York company,
I asked why didn't we go out for bids
[45:00] for that? And I was told we couldn't.
>> Right. And that's the same thing he'd
[45:05] been told in the past.
>> Professional services is what you're
[45:08] talking about. Professional services,
you can go out for request for
[45:11] qualifications. You can't go out for a
request for a proposal based on the
[45:17] actual um cost of the project. Same
thing with with architects and
[45:21] engineering services. It's the process
is a RFQ, not an RFP.
[45:26] » Yeah.
>> Okay. Lauren,
[45:30] » is that correct? That's what you were
trying to explain to us for the meeting,
[45:35] » correct?
>> Okay.
[45:36] » Okay,
>> that's all I need to get clear.
[45:38] » We're good. We're clear with that,
everyone.
[45:41] » Okay.
Can we call for the vote?
[45:58] I
[46:01] » yours is down.
>> Okay.
[46:07] » Motion carried. Five.
>> Thank you. We're going to move on to the
[46:11] next item.
Discussion and direction regarding the
[46:15] Tombball Legacy Square project.
So
[46:20] to you guys
>> for discussion
[46:27] » I think
>> I would well go ahead. I would like to
[46:29] preface though that Monday night at
council a directive was given from city
[46:36] council to EDC.
So
[46:40] what we're going to I guess now listen
to what you want to add to that.
[46:44] » I I don't know that we would add
anything.
[46:47] » Yes sir. I think I think it's a
clarification as to what exactly um was
[46:52] meant by commence transition to
multifunctional
[46:57] uh facility that will also serve as a
community center. So when we met
[47:02] yesterday for 3 hours plus with our
advisory committee, the question that
[47:07] continued to circle was what exactly
does that mean? What does it look like?
[47:11] So what we want to do is define what the
parameters are and we'll operate within
[47:16] those parameters. So it doesn't mean
that we're going to do a live music
[47:21] music venue with ZZ Top and we're going
to be overly concerned about
[47:27] the the actual what's going to go on
there, but we just want to set
[47:31] parameters and understand what those
parameters are. So with the with the six
[47:38] motions that were made Monday night that
we weren't present to actually discuss
[47:44] » well
>> had I been here
[47:45] » can I can I clarify that though
>> but I I was
[47:48] » okay go ahead
>> okay thanks
[47:51] we were Friday when we had the meeting
there was general conversation among the
[47:57] whole city council it didn't appear that
there was a consensus on Friday but
[48:02] Monday We we only had we had a consensus
and a written statement as to how we
[48:08] would proceed
without our input on Monday.
[48:12] » Okay. But can I ask a show of hands on
the EDC board that did have a consensus
[48:18] with this list of six items?
>> This wasn't this wasn't our list.
[48:24] » No, I realize that. But per our
discussion last Friday,
[48:29] » that was that was not clear. There was
multiple conversations going on on
[48:34] Friday about different things that may
or may not occur at the facility is what
[48:39] I understood at Legacy School.
>> Yes, sir. But I just want a show of
[48:43] hands if the board agrees or disagrees
with this list. If they agreed per our
[48:48] conversation,
>> I think we agree with some clarity.
[48:52] That's all we're asking for is just
clarity. That's
[48:54] » So you do agree with these six bullet
points. But but in order to go through
[48:59] one through six, number one has to be
answered first as to what building A
[49:04] looks like, what does it contain, how do
we operate it, because what you've asked
[49:09] for is a a full P&L statement as to how
we'd operate the facility. But if we
[49:14] don't know what it looks like and what
it's going to be and what we can and
[49:18] can't operate there, it's really hard to
come to those conclusions.
[49:22] So I think we're all in agreement.
A fine arts facility is acceptable. That
[49:28] would be what we've discussed. But we
don't want a live music venue with loud
[49:33] noises. It was never going to be that.
That's what a consultant came up with
[49:37] and what others came up with. And that's
been rejected by us. So fine arts
[49:42] facility, Pearl Fincher Museum. Th this
was rejected yesterday. Is that what
[49:49] you're saying?
>> Rejected as a live music venue of 800 to
[49:52] a,000. that's been rejected for quite a
while. So,
[49:56] » okay.
>> So, all we want is the opportunity to
[50:00] present a plan to you with options and
but just know what the parameters are in
[50:05] building A. What can we operate, what we
cannot operate so that we have a clear
[50:10] path forward with that because we have a
resolution from last July that says we
[50:14] can operate it as a cultural and fine
arts venue. So, but we need to kind of
[50:20] get down to the nitty-gritty as to what
that looks like, what's going to be
[50:23] allowable, what's not. And ultimately,
the discussion may be it's not viable
[50:28] because we can't pull in the right
operator to make it feasible for them.
[50:32] If that's the case, then we need to kind
of make a left turn or right turn and
[50:36] figure out which way we need to go. and
it may ultimately end up in the sale up.
[50:41] The sale of it is going to have all
kinds of future problems that are going
[50:46] to domino because we can't sell it to a
developer and give up 313 parking spaces
[50:53] because they if they develop that, we're
losing the parking. So, that's not
[50:57] really a viable option either. So, we
got to come up with a solution, but we
[51:01] want an understanding as to what we can
do there, what we can't, so we can work
[51:05] on the rest of the direction that y'all
presented to us. I guess that's the best
[51:10] way. And I I'll turn it over to you if
you got questions.
[51:20] I think we were pretty clear that we
wanted a event center that would also
[51:27] double as the civic center or act as the
community center, I'm sorry. And that's
[51:33] why we were going back to EDC to see,
okay, what functionality, what can we do
[51:38] within those realms? We're pretty
leaving it pretty wide. We want to
[51:41] narrow it down. We've narrowed it down
to that.
[51:44] We've made it pretty clear we did not
want a music venue to disturb all the
[51:49] citizens there in this in that area.
So what can we do within those
[51:56] parameters
to appease the citizens as well as the
[51:59] council? So, I know I'm not being real
clear and concise because I haven't sat
[52:06] here and thought I mean, we've thrown a
lot of things up against the wall, but
[52:10] until we get dollars on it and figure
out what we can, we don't we don't know.
[52:14] That's why we're looking for your
expertise. Well, but I think I think
[52:19] Councilman, we can't determine what you
want until you set the borders because
[52:25] we could we could work this thing for a
week and go over numbers and they may
[52:30] all be for not. If we really don't know
what we're trying to hone in to get to.
[52:34] So, if you say no live music venue,
we're not going to have a performing
[52:38] company come in and lease the facility.
So be it. Then we narrow the perspective
[52:44] as to what we are going to have. The
sweet spot for the for the facility will
[52:48] be somewhere between 550 on the down
floor, 150 on the upper floor as it
[52:54] stands right now, 700 seats. If that's
too much and we determine we need to
[53:00] come down, then we need to know from you
guys, are we going to come down to 600?
[53:04] Are we going to come down to 500? There
was a discussion yesterday, we bring it
[53:08] down to 300. So the question is where do
we go? What's viable for that? and then
[53:14] what do we present to operators in order
to get these the revenue stream and the
[53:19] cost structure done. So that's what
we're trying to do. There is a a a real
[53:24] fine point in that if we go to 700 it's
going to require additional parking.
[53:30] Okay. If we do retail or something else
in the back as well that's going to
[53:35] expand the parking. If the facility is
500, 550, 600, we have adequate parking
[53:42] right now that we can operate under. So
those are the type of things we need to
[53:47] do. Otherwise, we're going to spend a
lot of time kind of graining through
[53:51] numbers that aren't really going to be
viable to the project.
[53:55] So I guess what I'm asking for community
center also just to comment I think on
[54:01] September 21 we have a meeting with
Harris County about the community center
[54:06] over at the park. Is that correct?
>> Correct.
[54:09] » So if that goes forth as a community
center, do we need another community
[54:13] center in the middle of Tombball on a
prime piece of real estate? Is that what
[54:17] we want to do? Is that an excuse for
that facility to put another community
[54:21] center in?
>> I'll hand that off to Mr. done again. He
[54:24] knows how long our community center
that's going in is not going to be our
[54:28] community center and the park. It's
going to be the counties.
[54:31] » Correct.
>> And so you have to schedule everything
[54:33] to the county.
>> So it's not ours.
[54:36] » Okay.
>> This one would be ours.
[54:39] » Okay.
>> Okay. When it comes to it, I don't want
[54:42] to touch the upstairs of the because
we're not going to build I don't think
[54:46] we've got the money to put an elevator
in and all like that and we don't want
[54:50] to widen it to bring it out. I know
there is the chamber. They've talked to
[54:55] me. You know, they need a bigger space,
but the that we don't need the parking
[55:00] there. We don't need the additional
parking. We need to take what we've got.
[55:05] Danny, uh, and I I was told I mean, I
read Facebook. I don't post on it, but I
[55:11] was told that y'all even took a vote
about tearing it down. There was a
[55:14] motion about tearing it down. Is that
true?
[55:17] » There was a motion. It was never voted
on,
[55:19] » but was there a motion in a second?
Yeah,
[55:22] » I think it was out of frustration,
frankly, because we've been there.
[55:25] » That's good. I mean, I just want you to
know
[55:27] » that is something that could happen.
>> It could happen.
[55:30] » Yeah, I agree. But why don't we go small
steps now and see what happens if a
[55:36] community center and when I say an event
center, I'm not talking about putting
[55:40] musical, but have it where you could
have You're already using it now for
[55:45] some art, aren't you?
>> Some theater,
[55:47] » but they sing. They make
>> But that's not what I'm talking you. The
[55:50] music doesn't bother anybody. You can
shut the music off in the building. Paul
[55:55] knows. I know. We've got a music venue
right beside us that we can't hear.
[56:00] » I understood.
>> As long as they keep the doors closed
[56:03] and you have the set, you don't hear the
music there. So, it's not that. It's the
[56:08] parking, the lighting, all that stuff
that will interrupt that neighborhood
[56:13] that I can't vote for. Right. So, I'm
trying to give you a directive right
[56:17] now. I'm telling you that I want to keep
it smaller than I don't want to do mess
[56:21] with the addict. This is Dane. This is
not the council talking. This is Dane
[56:26] talking. This has been going on, you
said for the last 6 months. No, it's
[56:30] been going on for years about what's
going to happen. You haven't been
[56:33] involved in it.
>> I have. 26 years. I was at that church
[56:37] for 10 before I ever got on here.
>> Well, I'm talking about what's going on
[56:40] now. Wayne still sell it. Yeah.
>> That it we got sold. How long did it
[56:44] take y'all to sell that? It was eight
years on the market before TDC bought.
[56:48] » That's what I'm saying. So, nobody wants
that.
[56:50] » That's correct. So, we need to
understand from you what we could build
[56:54] because
>> I'm telling you right now, not messing
[56:57] with the ad the second floor.
>> Yeah.
[57:00] » Don't mess with it. Widen the stage.
Take it back so you can have more area.
[57:04] Flatten the floor out so you can do
multiple things in it. That's what I
[57:09] would do. I don't know what the council
wants to do. I can't go talk to them.
[57:13] Well, I'm glad I'm glad you're actually
saying all of this because this is the
[57:16] dialogue that we needed before we got
the resolution or we would define this a
[57:21] little bit.
>> But that's what I would like to say.
[57:24] » Okay. And I do listen to the citizens. I
don't listen to the people that don't
[57:27] live next to it, right?
>> Cuz people that don't live next to it,
[57:31] they can understand, oh, you can do
anything you want to in it
[57:35] » and make all the noise, all the parking,
all that. But when you live next to
[57:40] something,
>> right,
[57:41] » it makes a difference. And it's not
like, you know, I use the example,
[57:45] people come in and fuss and gripe when
they move into next to an airport. Oh,
[57:51] the airplanes, you need to shut them
down. You need to shut up. These people
[57:54] live there already and now we're trying
to change it and we need to work around
[57:59] those people.
>> Understood. I I agree with that. Two
[58:03] comments that you said community center
in the back fellowship hall.
[58:08] » No, I didn't say that. I said in the
main hall.
[58:11] » In the main hall. Okay.
>> Yeah. Just like when it's real.
[58:14] » I want to see something. I'd like to see
individuals that that Mr. Reid talked
[58:20] about go and see if they can make a
maker's mark there. You've got other
[58:24] offices. The mayor, she's not here right
now, but she wants a uh m not a museum,
[58:31] but archives.
>> Archives. There's a room there that
[58:35] could you could use that. We could tie
it into the museum and make all that a
[58:39] green area there. our her focus is just
take baby steps. Let's don't throw we
[58:45] can throw money all day long, but and
then we're going to end up having to pay
[58:49] for it. We don't want to do that. We
want to take baby steps. Let it grow
[58:53] naturally. If it grows, hey, we win. If
it doesn't, then we can go to plan B,
[58:58] but right now, let's take those baby
steps.
[59:00] » So, when we talk about the makers mark
and whatever we're going to do in
[59:04] building F, the north building.
>> Yes, sir. If we're going to do that, one
[59:08] of your cautisles here was the project
will not be subsidized by the city nor
[59:14] us. We don't want the liability, nor do
we want to subsidize that.
[59:19] » Correct.
>> So, how do you turn that to where it's
[59:21] profitable to where it's not just come
another line item on our budget or we
[59:26] have to come to you to say, "Hey, it
cost us $250,000 to operate that."
[59:32] is we we need to talk about that because
if you don't want that liability, nor do
[59:37] we want that liability. So, it needs to
pay for itself somehow. So, is it a
[59:42] community project or is it a revenue
project? That's really what it boils
[59:46] down to. And if it is a community
project, then y'all vote on it and say
[59:51] that just knowing that we're going to
come back and it's going to have to be
[59:54] subsidized or there's going to have to
be grants or donations because we can't
[59:58] have it both ways. We got to either have
an income project or we got to have a
[1:00:02] community project. It's got to be one or
the other.
[1:00:05] » Have we talked to anybody that would be
willing to
[1:00:11] form a committee or group to look at
what it would do? Have we talked to
[1:00:15] anybody like that? Have y'all talked to
anybody like that? I know I haven't.
[1:00:19] » I know. We have We've had preliminaries.
We have uh Kelly and I've met with
[1:00:22] Paradigm Construction.
>> No, I'm not talking about the
[1:00:25] demolition. I'm talking about the
demolition,
[1:00:27] » the maker mark or whatever you call the
thing.
[1:00:29] » No, no, we haven't gone through the
space.
[1:00:31] » I'm thinking about drinking right now
>> because
[1:00:34] » for, if you think about it, for a year
we were going to be we were going to do
[1:00:38] the whole project and then we got off in
this studio $48 million,
[1:00:43] » right?
>> A complete BS plan. I agree with that.
[1:00:47] That was before my time
>> and I would have never accepted or
[1:00:50] approved that. So, we got to get back
down to brass tax. We're going to
[1:00:53] operate from ground up, zero up, and
we'll come back and appropriate as
[1:00:58] needed. But we need some guidelines to
what we can do and we can't do. Here's
[1:01:02] the last thing I'm just going to add. If
we don't go get an operator like a face
[1:01:07] to where it's acceptable to them in in
auditorium A, they are associated and
[1:01:13] connected at the hip with Pearl Fincher.
Finer comes back and says, "Oh, well,
[1:01:17] you're not going to go forward with stu
with a with face." venture might also
[1:01:22] pull out because if we don't have a
master plan for that whole project, it
[1:01:27] may not be conducive to them to move
that way. They're very interested right
[1:01:31] now. Face is very interested, but we got
to put the best step forward. What is it
[1:01:36] going to look like overall? What are we
going to go do on North Oxford or what
[1:01:41] are our options on North Oxford? It
might be JV with a development company
[1:01:46] to put in makaker mark, retail space,
professional services, coffee shops,
[1:01:52] whatever it might be.
>> And that's that's the third point,
[1:01:55] right?
>> Yeah.
[1:01:56] » That's point three. Point A is determine
what auditorium A is. Second one is
[1:02:02] » go forward with the uh Pearl Fenture
plan to either get a memo of
[1:02:07] understanding or tenant agreement that
we know they're going forward. And then
[1:02:11] thirdly, it's determined best use for
North Oxford F building.
[1:02:15] » Right.
>> I think that's where really where we're
[1:02:18] what we're asking.
>> Well, you keep bringing up options like
[1:02:20] face. That's the first time I've ever
heard that. So, we don't know anything
[1:02:24] about these types of things you're
bringing to the table. And until they're
[1:02:27] presented to us, we can't guide either
because we don't know what you're being
[1:02:31] exposed to.
>> Council, a year ago, we had an open
[1:02:35] house at the fellowship hall. We had 230
people. If we gold starred everything
[1:02:40] that was up there, the over overwhelming
majority of people wanted a performing
[1:02:44] arts center. Face is just one of the
companies that's that's actually
[1:02:47] approached us. It may not be the ones we
end up going with, but they have shown
[1:02:53] positivity in moving forward. It may not
be the best deal for us. It may not be
[1:02:57] the best deal for the city, but it's
just one of those options that's out
[1:03:00] there. when the word gets out that we've
kind of got the parameters set how big
[1:03:05] the auditorium is, they're going to put
their numbers down on paper to see if
[1:03:09] they can make it work for them because
it's not just making us work. Remember,
[1:03:13] we're not getting there's no revenue off
of ticket sales to the EDC. All we're we
[1:03:18] are just a tenant landlord combination.
There's no overrides in those type of
[1:03:23] things. So, we're only getting rental
income for those developments and that's
[1:03:28] it. Councilman McN, you have anything?
Council, do you have anything to add?
[1:03:33] » Um, I just want to agree with what Dne
had to say. Um, if the parking that we
[1:03:39] had there already, that's kind of where
we draw where we determine our seats is
[1:03:43] the parking we have, the the street
access that we have, so we don't disturb
[1:03:48] the residents over in that area. Um but
yeah, it's a difficult decision because
[1:03:53] it's when you buy any commercial
building, you fix it up and you hope
[1:03:57] someone will come will come lease that
out and rent it out. So, um we can fix
[1:04:01] it up and hope for the best, but we just
we have to make a decision and talk to
[1:04:06] the people that we have that may be
interested to keep them in the loop
[1:04:09] because we don't want to lose anything
moving forward.
[1:04:14] » I I would still like to see step one
>> be the demolition of the buildings that
[1:04:18] are not going to be used. cut the power
off.
[1:04:21] » We cut the any potential repairs or any
>> aspect of having basically an abandoned
[1:04:27] building sitting there.
>> You're right. I think we got to take
[1:04:29] those baby steps, keep moving forward.
We don't know what's going to fall in
[1:04:32] our laps.
>> But if we do it, you know, we we don't
[1:04:35] know either. So, we're looking for your
guidance, but we know that's the first
[1:04:39] step we want to take.
>> And then we just don't know what else
[1:04:42] will come along. And you start bringing
these things to prof your face and all
[1:04:46] that. Maybe things fall in place, but we
don't know.
[1:04:50] » Well, we we have someone National Youth
Theater has reached out to us for a
[1:04:54] February performance in the main
auditorium. So, then we got to we got to
[1:04:57] weigh this.
>> Yeah.
[1:04:59] » We want the $5,000 in revenue for that
or do we want to go for with the demo
[1:05:04] because it's going to affect that. So,
we have to look at those type of things.
[1:05:07] So, we're we're really at the crossroads
to determine are we going to shut down
[1:05:11] renting it because we're going to do the
demo because we can't have both things
[1:05:14] going on at the same time. So there's
some tough decisions that's got to be
[1:05:18] made.
>> No, and I I agree those are those are
[1:05:20] items that I think we need to discuss in
the future once we start moving down the
[1:05:24] road. But I think we all need to be in
agreement that we've given a directive.
[1:05:28] Let's move forward with it. And as these
things come across, we we get we have
[1:05:32] these discussions again to move to the
next step. Garcia, uh council, we have
[1:05:39] this entity that wants to rent this
place in October. Do we really want to
[1:05:44] start demolition right now? And those
are tough decisions we're have to make
[1:05:48] and but we don't know until those things
we have contract potential contracts in
[1:05:52] hand to do it or these people are just
thinking about it. Does that make sense?
[1:05:58] » It does.
>> But we we need clarity on a
[1:06:01] » okay for you on the fa the theater.
Somebody was telling me when and again I
[1:06:08] was wrong about the bidding so I'm
probably wrong about this. um that these
[1:06:12] theater companies want aerials where
they can do aerials that cost a lot of
[1:06:17] money to start bracing stuff up for that
and everything. So is is that part of
[1:06:22] the face deal that they're wanting
aerials the theaters?
[1:06:25] » I don't know that we've gotten to that
point with them. It's going to be more
[1:06:28] local and regional versus national. That
was the whole studio red study which
[1:06:34] reject reject reject.
>> Okay. So that that's not part point part
[1:06:38] point part point part point part point
[1:06:38] part point part point part point part
point part point part
[1:06:38] » we we don't have the real estate to do
that frankly completely changed the
[1:06:42] footprint was going to have to be pushed
out the back and the front just to
[1:06:45] accommodate that. So I would say the
answer is no
[1:06:48] » and in order to do that we'd have for
like a fly tower we'd have to cut the
[1:06:52] roof and do a really expensive so and
that was something that the feasibility
[1:06:55] study recommended not to do.
>> Okay. And when you talk about the stars
[1:07:00] the gold stars were you there? I was the
whole
[1:07:04] » You notice how that some people took a
handful of stars and stuck them all at
[1:07:07] the same place?
>> I I've already requested
[1:07:12] to Kelly once we get the parameters set
as to our direction between joint
[1:07:18] counsel here that we have a second open
house to get the feedback.
[1:07:24] » I think that that
>> and we give one star.
[1:07:26] » We give them one star. You get a star
going in if you use it or lose it.
[1:07:29] That's it.
>> That's fine with me. I'd go along with
[1:07:31] that. We've done these open houses
before and not just y'all. We had a
[1:07:36] couple here and people would take and
say, "Yeah, I want more restaurants or
[1:07:42] more of this."
>> It's called stuff in the box.
[1:07:45] » Amen.
>> Yeah.
[1:07:46] » Right.
>> Yeah. Well,
[1:07:49] » I'm uh in the I like Mr. Par. We've
already talked about this before that we
[1:07:54] move forward with step one,
>> the demolition. And then unless you guys
[1:07:58] have know something we don't know why we
can't, we move forward. That's your
[1:08:03] first point.
>> Demolition was step four.
[1:08:06] » So
>> yeah, but that's right. Boy, would they
[1:08:08] aren't listed in the order that
obviously we can't we have to do that
[1:08:12] first. So
>> okay, so I'm going to I'm going to set
[1:08:14] one more parameter for you.
We've got preliminary estimates for the
[1:08:19] demolition, but the other estimate that
we're probably going to come back and
[1:08:23] tack on is to say if, and this is an if
with quotation marks, if we were to
[1:08:29] level North Oxford and start over on
retail or whatever that space would be,
[1:08:35] what would be the additional cost of
that demo as well, just so we have it in
[1:08:40] our pocket right now.
>> Okay? because there may be some
[1:08:43] economies of scale where we get more
fencing, permitting, time, the whole
[1:08:48] bit. It may not be the way we want to
go, but I think we should look at as an
[1:08:51] option.
>> Yeah.
[1:08:53] » Okay.
>> Any questions? Any other questions?
[1:08:56] » Lisa has got some call on. No, I was I
was sorry.
[1:09:01] um which is that I believe that since
we're all here together and we have
[1:09:06] everybody in the room that we should get
more clarity on how the uh the main
[1:09:11] sanctuary could double as a community
center because what we've just spent the
[1:09:17] last 10 15 minutes talking about is the
EDC talking to various tenants for lack
[1:09:24] of a better term who would come in and
rent the facility and operate it. But if
[1:09:30] it is doubling as a community center,
then that means that now the city is a
[1:09:34] tenant. So in order to talk to any
potential operators, we need to have a
[1:09:40] lot more clarity on what we would
explain to them as well, you're also
[1:09:45] going to need to share it with the city
in these ways. And and that's confusing.
[1:09:50] And sure, you know, we spent over an
hour on that yesterday talking in
[1:09:54] circles of well, let's just move
forward. And then we kept saying, yeah,
[1:09:57] but how do we do that with it being that
community center? How do we do that with
[1:10:00] it being a community center? And that's
really a showstopper until we understand
[1:10:04] better what that looks like because I
don't know how it could be financially
[1:10:08] viable for any operator if they're also
having to give it up on a weekly basis
[1:10:14] for Zumba and Bingo and AP
presentations. Like it's it's it it's
[1:10:20] got to have a balance.
>> A community center would require a flat
[1:10:24] floor. When when we look this afternoon,
you'll see the slope.
[1:10:27] » Yeah. So, the cost of just flattening
the floor out may be prohibitive to do
[1:10:33] that. That's why I brought up the
community center possibly. We got lots
[1:10:37] of square footage on North Oxford. That
might be the better place to do it for
[1:10:42] the community center because replacing
the community center we had, even if we
[1:10:46] doubled it, it's what 10,000 square
feet.
[1:10:49] » The current one,
>> current community center is
[1:10:53] » maybe 4,000.
>> No, our community center. our community
[1:10:56] center
>> 3 4,000 maybe
[1:10:59] » I doubt if it bad
>> post
[1:11:03] » stand by
>> so let's just say if we've made it
[1:11:06] 12,000 we tripled the size of it
>> right
[1:11:09] » we've got almost 40,000 square feet on
North Oxford that's already flat so it
[1:11:15] lends itself to do the community center
more so there on one end of the other
[1:11:20] then restructure the floor which then
would be a negative for performing arts
[1:11:27] center.
>> So that's that's where our dilemma is.
[1:11:34] » Good point. A good idea.
>> I think that's good points to talk
[1:11:37] about, but these are things we've never
talked about.
[1:11:40] » We've never talked about
>> I've never heard a cost on what
[1:11:43] flattening floor because I would put a
false floor in it
[1:11:46] » is what I would do.
>> I don't know structurally if we can uh
[1:11:50] that I recall I think that that building
was done in '92.
[1:11:55] Um,
>> that's when I was going there.
[1:11:57] » Yeah. 92. But and so I don't know if
there's peers under there. I don't know
[1:12:01] structurally what it will or won't do.
So we'll we'll look at it and see, but
[1:12:05] we can get someone out to give us that
estimate. That's really going to be the
[1:12:09] left or the right turn.
>> I think that's something we need to do
[1:12:12] first is get a estimate because that
could throw all this community center
[1:12:16] out the door like you said.
>> Well, I just think it relocates
[1:12:20] » on the community center is we could do
land swaps
[1:12:23] » where we could do that. Yeah, sure.
>> On the back part.
[1:12:27] » Yeah. I don't I mean, we need a better
community center than we have today.
[1:12:32] » Sure.
>> And I'm sure there's people they're
[1:12:36] sitting here that would love to have our
community center today to make
[1:12:40] restaurants out of and to do that kind
of stuff. Our
[1:12:47] current community center is 4200 4,000
square feet
[1:12:53] » of usable or that's of offices and
everything.
[1:12:56] » I think that's everything.
>> That's everything.
[1:12:58] » Yeah.
[1:13:02] » Thank you.
>> And this one here is 42,0002.
[1:13:05] » No, but 4,000 4,200 versus 40,000.
>> I was going to saying this is okay.
[1:13:11] » 10 times.
>> Okay.
[1:13:13] And we agree that we do have directives
out there. Now, we're going to go to the
[1:13:20] next step, walk the place, decide, look
at our negatives and positives,
[1:13:26] determine what we can and can't do, and
move forward from there.
[1:13:30] » Absolutely.
>> It'll get more clarity to everybody
[1:13:32] involved.
>> Can can I interject something real
[1:13:34] quick? Uh,
[clears throat]
[1:13:38] at at what point in time do we determine
what number are we willing to go in the
[1:13:46] hole on this on? Cuz that's uh I'm one
of the ones that voted to to demo this
[1:13:51] thing. I don't think that's any secret.
Uh cuz I'm all
[1:13:54] » the banker.
>> Yeah, cuz I'm all about if is it going
[1:13:57] to make money because my understanding
of the EDC is jobs, retention, and sales
[1:14:03] tax.
And every time I sit down and put
[1:14:06] numbers to this to this project, it
makes my head explode. Uh so when we're
[1:14:13] talking about leveling the floor, not
leveling the floor out, we're looking at
[1:14:17] probably, and again, I don't know
because we don't have bids, but roughly
[1:14:20] going on averages what it costs to rehab
a building. We're we're pushing $5
[1:14:24] million to rehab this building.
So, at what when are we going to say,
[1:14:31] » you know, 8 million in this is enough or
seven million is this is enough as as
[1:14:36] the EDC board or and you guys are going
to give approval. Are y'all okay with
[1:14:41] us? Is the public okay with us going in
a hole so deep with
[1:14:48] money we get from sales tax that they're
paying? At what point in time do we draw
[1:14:53] the line and say this is all we're going
to quote lose on this property that
[1:14:56] we're never ever going to get back.
Nobody's going to buy this, especially
[1:15:01] if we have to subsidize it.
>> Right.
[1:15:03] » Uh the meeting yesterday, I was told and
it was great news that the maker space,
[1:15:07] not Mark, but maker space. It's a great
com. I'm not against that. I have
[1:15:12] absolutely and none nobody on this
board. We have absolutely no vested
[1:15:17] interest on what goes in here.
You know, we had a meeting yesterday and
[1:15:22] on Facebook I've been called inferred as
being stupid, a onetrick pony.
[1:15:27] » Help for idiot.
>> Idiot shouldn't be on this board on
[1:15:30] Facebook. I don't What is that about?
Because I'm stating a position which is
[1:15:37] not what he he didn't want to hear it.
But we have to have that conversation
[1:15:43] about how much money are we willing to
dump into this project and never get
[1:15:49] back.
>> Well, what I'm keeps concerning me or
[1:15:53] what I don't understand is we have had
children's recital in there. Why can't
[1:16:00] we continue to use those facilities for
those kind of events and more events?
[1:16:04] Why why can't we take baby steps? Why do
we have to spend $5 million? We're
[1:16:09] already having kids in there, so there
must be structurally sound other than
[1:16:13] liability to be crazy to have in the
main art.
[1:16:18] » But somebody just said, let's look at at
flattening the floor. Why would you
[1:16:21] flatten the floor if you're going to use
useful for performing arts?
[1:16:25] » Reiterate, it was not in the main
sanctuary.
[1:16:27] » It was not in the main sanctuary.
>> It was
[1:16:31] » It was in the main sanctuary.
their Saturday event was.
[1:16:34] » But the the thing is I I want to bring
up one more thing on with Danny just so
[1:16:38] that we're clear on this. Any project
you look at, you have to look at the
[1:16:42] exit strategy. Our deal is not to own
assets long-term. It's to turn them
[1:16:47] over, make a profit, or move on to the
next project if it's viable. So if we've
[1:16:53] spent 5 million in it, 4.6 acquisition,
and whatever the cost of the consultants
[1:16:58] are, we put another five in it. We're in
at 10. just putting five in it. In three
[1:17:04] to five years, if we wanted to get out
and we haven't done a reno on that,
[1:17:09] who's going to pay us $10 million for
that piece of property?
[1:17:14] There's nobody. They would have already
bought it.
[1:17:16] » That's right.
>> That's why we want to take baby steps.
[1:17:18] » But then we get drugged through the
streets because we wasted taxpayers
[1:17:22] money.
>> I got it.
[1:17:22] » That's coming. And I'm telling you right
now,
[1:17:24] » it's already been said.
>> Yeah. But we're not wasting it. We we
[1:17:28] have we have these we're not we have to
get these feasibility studies. The guy
[1:17:32] was from New York but he didn't say it
was going to be he knew the area. He
[1:17:36] knew it completely. It was 60,000 bucks.
Did it help us? Probably not that much.
[1:17:42] But it's something that we have to do by
the guidelines that were set on by the
[1:17:46] EDC. We can't just There's so many rules
on this thing because it's our charter
[1:17:51] that we can't just operate as a normal
business. Our hands are tied on like
[1:17:55] these bids. It sounds ridiculous to me
that we can't bid something out by a
[1:17:59] dollar amount. So, I just
>> Councilwoman McNa, you had something to
[1:18:03] say.
>> It's It's getting confusing. I don't
[1:18:07] even know what a flat floor. Why? You
said a community center would have to
[1:18:11] have a flat
>> if if you were to go into any
[1:18:14] auditorium, a convention center, you're
going to have a flat floor to put tables
[1:18:18] up, curtains,
>> have some type of MC kind of like what's
[1:18:23] the what's the place on 249? uh the
theater like that. That's a flat floor
[1:18:28] venue, right? Versus an auditorium
that's got a slope, which you need for
[1:18:33] people to be able to see the stage.
There's other things you can do. If you
[1:18:39] flat floor it, which means we'd have to
build out the whole stage differently.
[1:18:44] It's got to be raised or people can't
see on a flat for venue to see a
[1:18:49] performing arts. It's difficult. It's It
becomes a bad hybrid is what it does. So
[1:18:55] either or you have anything you want to
add to that?
[1:19:00] » Just that I feel like the council is not
fully understanding the difficult
[1:19:07] situation that these items are putting
the EDC board and the EDC advisor the
[1:19:15] legacy square advisory committee in
because I sat there yesterday,
[1:19:19] Councilman Parr sat there yesterday and
listened. You know, we participated too,
[1:19:24] but mostly listening to
this this advisory committee work so
[1:19:31] hard to try to develop something viable
within the within the parameters of
[1:19:37] these six motions that are are too
vague. They are. I know you said you
[1:19:43] want to leave it vague on purpose, but
it it [clears throat] I mean that it was
[1:19:47] just it was three hours of discussions
and I watched this group try so hard. I
[1:19:55] mean, every single bit of brain power
brought into that room which was
[1:19:58] enormous and everybody loves to ball and
everybody wants the best and everybody
[1:20:03] wants to listen to the residents, but we
also have to make make money and
[1:20:07] everything has to pay for itself.
Nothing can operate unless it pays for
[1:20:11] itself. Hands down.
>> I don't mean it pays for itself because
[1:20:15] it brings more tax dollars in. It has to
pay for itself. That's it. And and and
[1:20:23] it and it's just and it seems so simple.
Oh, just take baby steps. It it seems so
[1:20:28] simple and and we can just adjourn here
today and go forward and try again and
[1:20:33] just keep coming back. And that's an
alternative and that's probably where
[1:20:36] we're headed, right? It's just most most
>> C
[1:20:40] line item for this.
>> I don't I disagree with that. I I think
[1:20:43] we can get direction from you guys
>> just by setting Shelley mentioned
[1:20:48] parking's the hot spot. Traffic
congestion's a hot spot. Councilman Parr
[1:20:52] brought up there's things we could do
for traffic and con congestion during
[1:20:58] any type of performance over there.
barricades, police, whatever we've got
[1:21:03] to do to help the congestion to get
people in and out of the the venue over
[1:21:07] there, that can be done. But if we say
it's 600, 600, that that right there
[1:21:14] defines who we can go talk to, what we
can and can't do there. I'll tell you,
[1:21:18] Tomball pageant, Tomball, Miss Tombball
Pageant, that's not big enough. So,
[1:21:23] they're going to stay at at uh Real Life
or they'll stay at Salem at other
[1:21:28] venues. It's not big enough for them. So
then we we got to just really kind of
[1:21:32] pair down what we could and couldn't do
in that facility. Then the the the
[1:21:36] tenants become less limited.
So that's really what we're facing. So
[1:21:43] let let's let's first redefine
bu number one building a main sanctuary
[1:21:49] remove any reference to it being used as
a community center because the cost to
[1:21:53] flatten that floor are prohibitive.
>> Yeah. But we don't know that right now.
[1:21:59] Wait,
>> we can do that.
[1:22:00] » The I can the dollars that it's going to
take to flatten that floor
[1:22:05] » are absurd.
Let's look at moving the the use of
[1:22:11] building F
>> the Oxford
[1:22:14] using a portion of it as a community
center
[1:22:20] » and then the rest of it make it maker
space or what whatever else you guys are
[1:22:26] looking at doing with that that back
space.
[1:22:29] » I say we're flexible in that regards.
But I just find it ironic once we issued
[1:22:34] a directive Monday. Now we're getting
all these ideas coming at us. Well, we
[1:22:37] didn't have anything until we till we
got a till we issued a directive. This
[1:22:42] is what we want EDC to do. I
>> I don't think we knew. I mean, for a
[1:22:46] year we've been discussing this and it
was going to be a community center, city
[1:22:50] hall. Who knew? So,
>> it's just the point that it's been
[1:22:54] sitting there for so long. So the only
thing council felt we need to give a
[1:22:59] directive of what we want to get off the
snide to have that facility start adding
[1:23:04] money to the city's coffers.
>> Well, the church only moved out last
[1:23:08] year. Number one, the church has been in
there since la till last year and the
[1:23:13] CDC had set up a situation in which we
thought we were going to get input and
[1:23:19] that was at the strategic planning
retreat. like we thought that so we we
[1:23:23] have asked we we wanted this very much
so
[1:23:27] » how much revenue is Pearl Fenture
bringing to us
[1:23:30] » we don't know that was what
>> how long's it been that y'all been
[1:23:33] talking to Pearl Fenture
>> they had a board meeting that was
[1:23:36] delayed last month they had a board
meeting that was delayed last month I
[1:23:40] think it's due
>> it's supposed to be in the next couple
[1:23:42] of weeks
>> because I mean this is I mean I've heard
[1:23:45] Pearl Fenture for six eight months
>> okay not us
[1:23:48] » but they have a board that they have to
address as well and so their strategic
[1:23:51] IC planning session got moved back.
That's what we were waiting on was was
[1:23:55] feedback from their strategic planning
session. I just heard back from their
[1:23:58] executive director this week that it got
pushed back.
[1:24:00] » Can you explain to me what venture
actually is going to be bringing
[1:24:05] » as as far as monetary or
>> rent the old chapel?
[1:24:10] » What? Say that again. I'm sorry.
>> Explain to me what they are supposed to
[1:24:16] be putting into the old chapel. Pearl
venture. So, it would be very similar to
[1:24:20] what they have now. It it
>> I've never been to.
[1:24:23] » It's a It's a full fine arts museum. So,
you you walk through different rooms.
[1:24:28] You've got fine art on the wall. You've
got sculptures. You've got different um
[1:24:33] educational components. So, they have a
lot of schools that come in and do
[1:24:36] different things. They they do classes.
They do different events.
[1:24:40] » Small chapel's big enough for that.
>> They're in about 4,000 square feet now.
[1:24:43] So, our small chapel is about the same
size.
[1:24:46] » Okay. And you have no idea what kind of
revenue they'd be.
[1:24:50] » We we don't yet. No.
>> The gentleman that was here a minute
[1:24:52] ago, I think he's left already, the art
guy, he was talking He was talking about
[1:24:58] There he is. He's talking about $10,000
a month. Will Pearl Fincher be doing
[1:25:04] something like that or a lot more?
>> I I don't know. I don't want to speak
[1:25:07] for them because the county would be
involved in that. We We've talked about
[1:25:11] hot funds and whatnot and I don't want
to throw a number out and be completely
[1:25:14] wrong. One other addition on the Pearl
Fenture is they have expressed I met
[1:25:19] with Kelly with Pearl Fenture. They they
have expressed an interest to put in
[1:25:23] some type of what would you call it a um
banquet glass banquet hall on the back
[1:25:30] of the chapel. So they would have a
place to put um serving food and our
[1:25:36] derves and have little fundraiser type
things. That's one thing that they would
[1:25:40] wanted us to consider because they can't
do that in their current setting. But
[1:25:45] there's
>> they want us to put a more money into
[1:25:48] it.
>> It's not the us. They just wanted to
[1:25:50] know if that would be considered.
>> Well, that's what I'm saying. But there
[1:25:53] if we'd consider putting more money into
it,
[1:25:56] » not necessarily our money, Councilman.
What I'm saying is that they wanted to
[1:26:00] know if there was enough room real
estate to do that. And we said yes. When
[1:26:04] we look today, you'll see it actually
attaches right on the back of the
[1:26:08] chapel. They currently don't have that
uh option. So they're saying they would
[1:26:12] bring money but we've never heard how
many zeros are there. Okay.
[1:26:16] » So we don't know yet.
>> But they are very interested. But they
[1:26:19] are like I mentioned earlier they were
directly intertwined with the boards of
[1:26:24] face.
>> Some people serve on both boards.
[1:26:27] » Okay.
>> So it's a very sensitive and moving
[1:26:32] conversation.
So, it's possible that they wouldn't
[1:26:36] want to be there without the other, one
without the other.
[1:26:39] » That hasn't come out yet, but it
certainly could. That that the high
[1:26:44] donation people and the hideboard people
are actually on both in some cases.
[1:26:49] » And we're talking about the 1949 and the
sanctuary. So,
[1:26:54] » which could be not bad news if we have
someone who wants to lease out both and
[1:26:58] we're good. And then we just talk about
the fellowship Paul and what we're going
[1:27:01] to do with that
>> and the demo, right? and the demo. Yeah,
[1:27:04] » but can we go and do the demo and get
that out of the way?
[1:27:07] » I think so. And make Yeah,
>> thank you. I just
[1:27:11] » I said that I agree with what you just
>> But that's that's valuable information
[1:27:15] you guys are giving us to I know we've
had these conversations, but how close
[1:27:20] are we really? Is it a reality?
>> Or is this something we're going to be
[1:27:23] sitting here in another six months and a
year? Because I promise you, if we're
[1:27:27] here next year again talking about this,
it's these five people's fault. Okay?
[1:27:33] It's our fault
>> because we're not taking action.
[1:27:36] » Figured himself too. That that's
>> all five of us because we're just
[1:27:40] sitting here.
>> Here's the timeline. Here's the
[1:27:43] timeline. We were supposed to meet in
early May, got pushed to the end of May.
[1:27:48] We met with them in June. They were
supposed to have a board meeting in
[1:27:52] July. Didn't occur. So now we're waiting
on their August board meeting. So it's
[1:27:57] not us. Kelly's reaching out to them. my
tapper every week about it saying, "Hey,
[1:28:02] find out where they are. Find out where
they are because I want to know what the
[1:28:05] dollars are, too." Because it's either
out of their pocket or out of our
[1:28:08] pocket. Do we really want to do that?
>> Yeah.
[1:28:10] » So, and if the county's bringing money
to help, which is what we've heard, then
[1:28:15] that's even a better deal. But there's
always there may be caveats attached to
[1:28:19] that. We don't know what those look like
yet either. So, we so we're we're trying
[1:28:24] to go down that road and provide you
that information. We just don't have it
[1:28:27] all yet, but we're trying.
[1:28:32] I I move or I think the thought process
I think we made good headway here but
[1:28:38] until we start eliminating some items go
look at it understand more what you guys
[1:28:42] want to do that we table this for
another discussion to further you know
[1:28:47] dive into
>> direction to move forward with tearing
[1:28:50] down the building
>> well I thought we had done yeah we've
[1:28:52] already agreed to do that I thought we
did that last week
[1:28:54] » as long as long as it's captured up here
that the direction just move forward
[1:28:59] with tearing down the building.
>> Correct.
[1:29:01] » Got the
>> And I agree.
[1:29:02] » And no, you know, of any shape, size, or
form, right? No, no, no live music.
[1:29:08] » You you know there's
>> Would you say live music?
[1:29:12] » Building B, building E, building
>> choir in there.
[1:29:15] » Yeah. I'm talking about
>> I'm talking about bringing in
[1:29:20] » an act.
>> Yeah,
[1:29:22] » that's huge because the whole time I've
been on the board, it's been live music.
[1:29:25] Live music live music.
>> Hold up. Let's Let's stop real. I I just
[1:29:29] want a show of hands. Who wants to start
with the demolition cuz I want it just
[1:29:34] completely transparent. Okay.
>> Thank you.
[1:29:38] » Can we also agree that we're going to
try and pinpoint 600 to 650 depending on
[1:29:44] what the what the buildout looks like. I
>> I don't think we can make that judgment
[1:29:48] call right now.
>> I definitely don't want to make that
[1:29:51] judgment call.
>> Okay.
[1:29:52] » Not at this time.
>> No.
[1:29:54] » About the number of people,
>> right?
[1:29:55] » Yeah. Right. cuz I don't want to add
parking.
[1:29:58] » No, but we said the 600 doesn't require
adding parking.
[1:30:02] » 75.
>> Okay. So, do 500 or less.
[1:30:06] » It's a it's a it's a balance. And each
each space has to kind of park itself.
[1:30:11] So, the the parking requirement for the
main sanctuary is one parking space per
[1:30:16] four seats. That's at its current
capacity, it's 175 stalls. We have 313
[1:30:22] stalls out there today. So without doing
like that area where the playground was
[1:30:26] without turning that into more parking,
if we left the parking the way it is
[1:30:32] today, you could keep the 700 seats.
What that reduces is the amount of
[1:30:37] square footage that you have that's
leasable in the fellowship hall. So, it
[1:30:42] reduces it down to about 23,000 ft²
versus about 32,000 ft² to keep all the
[1:30:48] parking in the existing parking lots and
spaces as they are today without adding
[1:30:53] anything.
>> Yeah, the the analysis you did and and
[1:30:56] gave to us uh just on
>> and and thank you for doing that.
[1:31:02] And just so the uh public knows, we have
requested that they commence plans for
[1:31:08] parking lot in which is behind the depot
so that it takes some of that congestion
[1:31:14] away from that area and just to find out
if that helps with everything to
[1:31:19] alleviate that congestion.
So we are working on that too.
[1:31:27] I have a it's more of a it's not a
technical question or or wanted to hear
[1:31:32] from I feel like I do that on the board
but this has been a really productive
[1:31:36] conversation and I think that
conversations like this need to happen
[1:31:40] probably
more often to to so everyone can
[1:31:44] continue to be on the same page because
from what I'm understanding it seems
[1:31:47] there's been a lot of work that's been
done from from Wayne from from the
[1:31:51] advisory committee that hasn't been
communicated to council. Um and I'm
[1:31:55] wondering how we can better the better
the communication between the board and
[1:32:00] council so that you all aren't hearing
the things for the first time or if you
[1:32:04] are it's it's not you know six months
after those conversations have happened.
[1:32:08] So wanted to throw out the possibility
of meeting join jointly meeting with
[1:32:15] these two bodies more often. I'm not not
suggesting every single month, but once
[1:32:19] once a quarter, once every six months,
something like that. Just so that we all
[1:32:23] continue to stay on the same page and
that no one's surprised by anything. I
[1:32:27] know there's a lot of stuff. I know
there's a lot of things that have that
[1:32:29] that time people's time and this is a
lot of time to be spent on this, but
[1:32:33] this reporting to the public, we all
want to get be sure that we get it
[1:32:37] right. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Ju just to clarify, we had two
[1:32:42] city council people in the advisory
committee that have been on there since
[1:32:46] we formed it. So both both Lisa
>> Danny was on there. He had to step away
[1:32:53] for a while. Lisa filled that spot, but
Ry's been on there the whole time as
[1:32:57] well. So we have had council people on
there. I think the big misnomer in the
[1:33:02] whole project from the get-go was we had
a consultant that completely blew this
[1:33:08] thing out of the water and it was like
the Titanic going down and it set off
[1:33:12] all the bells and whistles and it was a
reject from the minute I stepped on in
[1:33:17] May of 25. Wasn't going that way. Was
not going to get approved. So that's and
[1:33:23] I I've said it before I think three
meetings back and I said it at strategic
[1:33:27] planning. We have hit the reset button.
We're all on board to go from a groundup
[1:33:32] approach, but we just need the
parameters to we're not out going with
[1:33:37] six different versions of this. Let's
narrow the scope down to where it's two
[1:33:41] or three versions that we can all get
our hands around and kind of go forward
[1:33:44] with that. I know one of the main issues
was we're being very selective with our
[1:33:49] words because one of our main concerns
is that we say we're okay with something
[1:33:55] and now we're having events till 10:00
every weekend because it's called some
[1:34:00] kind of a recital and now we've got this
problem to deal with because I guarantee
[1:34:05] you the citizens are going to come to
city hall to hammer the council not EDC
[1:34:11] » and we need to make sure their voice is
heard and that we don't allow allow
[1:34:16] whatever we want to call this event and
it's every weekend at 10:00
[1:34:21] » but it's within our parameters. You see
what I'm getting at?
[1:34:24] » I I I I think some of the issues because
most of it's going to revolve around
[1:34:30] traffic.
>> I think some of those issues could be
[1:34:33] mitigated through barricading streets
that lead in through the residential
[1:34:39] areas and and push everything out toward
Main Street down two streets. Well, I
[1:34:43] don't know if the citizens would like
that either. You know, that restricts
[1:34:47] their in and out.
>> That's
[1:34:50] two streets that have
very few residential buildings left on
[1:34:56] them. They're all They've all been
converted to a um
[1:35:00] » retail
>> commercial.
[1:35:03] Pine Street would be one.
[1:35:08] » I'm trying to remember what the next one
to the Oak.
[1:35:13] So you would block off all the ones come
off.
[1:35:16] » We we would block the street. We would
block the streets.
[1:35:18] » We're going to pay the city to do that.
>> Yeah. I mean we we do it for German
[1:35:22] fest.
>> Yeah. But
[1:35:23] » I don't like I'm not gonna go for it.
>> I don't like that idea.
[1:35:26] » I don't like that at all.
>> Councilwoman Mna. Yeah. That be one way
[1:35:31] to mitigate the issue.
>> Yeah. That and even like EP Street right
[1:35:34] there. Y'all know one car.
>> That's right. It's it's a I don't know
[1:35:38] if we could do oneway streets just
>> was talking about his truck. It's a dy.
[1:35:43] » You have to get over right. You do even
if somebody's walking
[1:35:48] that's that needs to be looked at that
traffic oneway street something. Even if
[1:35:53] we didn't have a place that that
street's pretty small.
[1:35:56] » And then you got to realize too when you
start doing that the lighting has got to
[1:36:00] change there.
>> Yeah. You've got to start talking about
[1:36:04] the cost of lighting that parking lots
up and the walking the sidewalks you've
[1:36:10] got to build to do it so you can walk.
You're talking about adding cost to the
[1:36:15] city now that we can't afford.
And the the lighting, it's got to be
[1:36:21] done if you're going to right now. They
don't have to light it up because nobody
[1:36:26] meets at night. They're very church only
did. The parking lots do have parking
[1:36:33] lot lighting.
>> Not enough lighting.
[1:36:35] » Not enough. But there is lighting.
>> Add lights. And you can call them what
[1:36:39] are they night something or where
>> like the dark sky.
[1:36:43] » Dark sky. That's the word. It don't
work.
[1:36:47] » My whole backyard's lit up right now
where I can walk outside anytime and see
[1:36:51] anything. I want
>> dark sky light.
[1:36:53] » You got that right.
>> I've seen those dark skylights. They go
[1:36:56] straight down. I bet their dark sky
lights aren't the good ones. Maybe. I
[1:36:59] don't know. I haven't been over there. I
hardly even
[1:37:02] » I figured you knew what kind they were.
>> All right. I think we've had really good
[1:37:06] discussion here. I want to table this
conversation for a future period so we
[1:37:10] can nail down some more items so we can
be a little bit more selective on the
[1:37:14] our direction on what we want to do. I
think we have a good parameter of what
[1:37:18] we're looking at wanting to do. Uh we've
got at least a list that we can start
[1:37:23] from and move forward. But I I think we
need to just stick to our guns and move
[1:37:28] forward. And I just don't want to be
talking about this again next year.
[1:37:34] » May I ask what? So if we did decide that
we're going to move forward with a
[1:37:38] demolition,
is that mean we're going to move forward
[1:37:41] with some quotes,
>> right? That's what
[1:37:44] » they're going to get some quotes on that
demolition.
[1:37:46] » Okay.
>> Yeah. They they've already got at least
[1:37:50] a parameter of about a half million
dollars to tear it down. and that's what
[1:37:54] we put in the budget form.
>> Okay.
[1:37:56] » Okay.
Any other discussion?
[1:38:00] Thank everyone for coming out. I hope we
answered a lot of the public's questions
[1:38:06] and feel free anytime to reach out and
we'll tell you what we know. Thank you
[1:38:10] so much.
>> Is there a motion to adjurnn the EDC?
[1:38:15] » All those in favor?
>> Is there a motion to adjurnn?
[1:38:21] » She did already did it.
[1:38:25] I don't have to do it again.
[1:38:31] » The meeting is a