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City Council September.

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» Oh, I'm sorry,
>> Mr. Burus.

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» Yes, thank you. We have Pastor Bart
Hodgegson with us from Covenant Baptist

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Church.

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just to say thank you is an honor to
time to time. So thank you for asking.

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Let's pray together. Father, thank you
gathering that uh

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getting to participate in serve.
Pray for all of our elected officials

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tonight. Lord, we
as always pray.

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Lord, that the decisions that come
before them, you would

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you would help them to good decisions
that uh that we as as

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we come
expect uh speak.

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Lord, I pray for uh patience, Lord, and
that you'd give us the ability well the

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other person.
Keep us from selfishness and greed.

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Lord,

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pray the decisions that would be made
tonight would for the good of the

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community.
As always, Lord, we lift up uh public

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servants. Lord, just pray for our
public's works people who they're

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working in
you protect them, for our emergency

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responders, Lord, as as they're going
out uh over them with their families,

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Father, all city employees,
you would give them success in their

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jobs,
integrity,

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and yeah, the great job for our I pray
for law enforcement, Lord, and our

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firefighters as they particularly put
themselves in kind of danger.

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They they worry about their their
husbands and

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family members who are out.
Father, we pray for our community. Pray

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for every member of Tony Town, Lord,
that you would make us good neighbors to

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one another. That you'd make us honest,
humble, that we would have courage and

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and show compassion to each other.
So father I just pray lord that uh

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tonight that you would guide this
meeting every decision would be made

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lord uh with wisdom and you would help
us in that we pray all that in the

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Jesus. Amen.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you sir.

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Please stand for the pledge.

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Miss Jennison is filling in for Miss
Artmani again tonight.

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Call, please.
Craig.

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Nick
>> here.

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» Danny
>> here.

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» Here

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» that was um [clears throat] Mike and

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call.
Yes.

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» Yes.
>> Larry.

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Approval
that we approve the agenda.

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» Oh, Mike. Okay. I'm sorry. Uh, Miss
Jennison had asked me earlier to help

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kind of keep up with uh the speaking
because it's hard to hear when you're

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all the way down there. So, that's why
I'm trying to

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» That's why I'm trying to make sure that
she knows. Um,

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roll call.

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» Yes.

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» City council members, the three rule for

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I move to dispense with the three
reading requirement for all organiz

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call.
>> Yes.

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» Nick,
>> yes.

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» Danny,
>> yes.

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» Larry,
>> yes.

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» Mike,
>> yes.

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» Yes. [clears throat]
>> Move on to old business.

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A a discussion of proposed ordinance to
establish the direct.

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» Mayor, if I may, uh I'd like to make a
motion that suspend

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A through G

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correction of the

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last meeting.
With that, I would

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Seconded motion.

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» Yes.
>> Nick.

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» Danny.
>> Yes.

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» Yes.
>> Mike.

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah. Why don't I read them?
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» And then you call for the vote on each,
please. All right. [clears throat]

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» Hey, a discussion.
I'm sorry. Do I need to read the full

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title?
>> Yes, sir.

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» Yes.
>> Titles available start to be in your

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pack. I'm sorry.

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» Yeah, my screen doesn't work. Okay. A an
ordinance establishing the Department of

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Human Resources creating the position of
director of human resources as a

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municipal department head. establishing,
appointing, reporting, qualification,

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authority, and responsibility
requirements, declaring an emergency,

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and for other purposes. And with this
council, it sounds like you have an

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emergency clause. So, so you'll need to
take a separate vote.

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» I don't know how much the verbiage there
matters, but instead of appointment, you

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said appointing, which may not matter at
all, but

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» thank you for the correction.

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Do we need a motion on this?
>> Yes.

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» Yes. You need a motion to approve a
second motion.

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» Danny,
>> second that motion.

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» And Tim,

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» yes.
>> Mick,

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» yes.
>> Danny,

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» yes.
>> Larry,

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» yes.
>> Mike,

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» yes.
>> Tim,

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» yes.
>> Now, the emergency clause. I'll make a

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motion we accept the emergency clause.
Second.

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That was Danny.

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» Tim,
>> yes.

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» Mike,
>> yes.

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» Danny,
>> yes.

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» Nick,
>> yes.

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» Craig,
>> yes.

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» Okay, we'll move on to B.
>> Okay, this is B. An ordinance

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establishing the position of director of
parks, museum, and grants for the city

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of Tinytown, Arkansas. Designating the
position as a department head position

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reporting directly to the mayor.
defining the director's authority and

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responsibilities for municipal parks,
the city museum, and citywide grant

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coordination. Clarifying that the
position shall not exercise the powers

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of a city manager, city administrator,
or chief administrative officer,

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reconciling references to the community
development director, adopting a job

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description, declaring an emergency, and
for other purposes. Again, council, you

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have a emergency clause to vote on
separately.

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» Make a motion.
I make a motion to accept or item B.

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Second
>> roll call.

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» Danny,
>> yes.

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» Nick,
>> yes.

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» Craig,
>> yes.

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» Larry,
>> yes.

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» Mike,
>> yes.

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» And Tim,
>> yes.

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» Seeking
for emergency.

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Motion for emergency clause.
>> I make a motion to accept the emergency

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clause.
>> I will second that motion.

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» Tim
roll call.

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» Roll call, please.
>> Craig,

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» excuse me.
>> Yes.

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» Mick,
>> yes.

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» Danny,
>> yes.

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» Larry,
>> yes.

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» Mike,
>> yes.

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» And Tim,
>> yes.

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» Okay, we'll move on to C. Attorney
Ferrar. This is an ordinance

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establishing the public works department
and the position of public works

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director for the city of Tonytown,
Arkansas. Defining the department's

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general responsibilities, establishing
the administrative reporting structure,

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repealing conflicting provisions,
declaring an emergency and for other

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purposes. Again, I note an emergency
clause.

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» Let's take a motion.
>> I move that we um vote to approve.

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Second
>> roll call.

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» Mike,
>> yes.

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» Tim,
>> yes.

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» Larry,
>> yes.

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» Craig,
>> yes.

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» Danny,
>> yes.

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» And Mick,
>> yes.

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» Seek a motion for the emergency clause.
>> I'll make a motion for the emergency

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clause. I'll move that we approve the
emergency clause.

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» Second.
>> Roll call.

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Craig,
>> yes.

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» Tim,
>> yes.

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» Mike,
>> yes.

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» Mick,
>> yes.

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» Danny,
>> yes.

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» Larry,
>> yes. [clears throat]

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» All right, moving on to E. Attorney
Ferrar.

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» Okay. We have an ordinance repealing and
replacing Tiny Town Municipal Code

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section 3102 concerning the governance
and administration of Tonnytown

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Historical Museum, establishing the
museum as an operating unit of the city,

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defining the authority of the museum
board of trustees, clarifying the

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employment status and supervision of
museum personnel, repealing conflicting

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provisions, declaring an emergency and
for other purposes. Once again, council,

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you have an emergency clause. Okay,
seeking a motion.

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I'll make motion to approve.
>> Second.

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» Roll call.
>> Craig,

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» yes.
>> Jim,

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» yes.
>> Mick,

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» yes.
>> Mike,

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» yes.
>> Danny,

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» yes.
>> Larry,

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» yes.
>> I move that we approve the emergency

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clause for this ordinance.
>> Second.

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» Roll call.
>> Craig. Yes,

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» Mick.
>> Yes,

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» Danny.
>> Yes,

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» Larry.
>> Yes,

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» Mike.
>> Yes.

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» And Tim,
>> yes.

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» Okay, moving on. Um, attorney Ferrar,
would you mind?

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[snorts]
>> Okay. We have an ordinance establishing

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the position of water and sewer director
within the city government, adopting a

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job description for the position, which
is attached as exhibit A, and for other

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purposes. Here we do not have an
emergency clause to vote on. I I think

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so. I think we should skip.
>> I think we skipped one. Attorney,

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» we did. Yes, sir.
>> The accounting.

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» We should have been an E.
>> I apologize for that. We I did skip one.

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Have it in my packet.
>> Might have to borrow. Oh, no. Here it

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does. I apologize. an ordinance
establishing the classified position of

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accounting clerk within the office of
the city clerk treasurer adopting a job

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description for the position attached as
exhibit A and for other purposes. Uh as

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I said before, no emergency clause on
this.

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» I move that we vote to approve this
motion.

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» Second.
>> Roll call. That was Danny that seconded.

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» Thank you. Tim,
>> yes.

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» Mike,
>> yes.

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» Larry,
>> yes.

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» Danny,
>> yes.

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» Mick,
>> yes.

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» And Craig,
>> yes.

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Okay, now we'll move on to F.
>> Okay, now we have an ordinance

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establishing the position of water and
sewer director within city government,

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adopting a job description for the
position attached as exhibit A and for

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other purposes.

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» Seeking a motion.
>> Make a motion to approve.

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I will second that motion.
>> Mick and Tim.

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» Roll call.
>> Craig.

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» Yes. Nick,
>> yes.

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» Danny,
>> yes.

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» Larry,
>> yes.

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» Mike,
>> yes.

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» And Tim,
>> yes.

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» We have an emer seeking for an emergency
clause.

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» There is no emergency.
>> There's no I apologize. Okay, moving on.

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Do you attorney?
>> Okay, we're off the ordinances. I'm

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happy to read. This is a discussion of
an approval of a proposed resolution uh

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for the removal of trees along South
Bington Road.

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Mayor, if I may.
>> Yes, sir.

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» Um, the council was uh provided at the
last meeting there was uh three bids

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received and yet uh the scope of
services there was some question about

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if everybody was bidding on the same
stuff. City engineer prepared a scope of

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services and those same three people
were submitted to that and they each

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returned the bids. I would note all of
them lower. And the low bid, which is in

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your packet, was provided by Pragrow
Tree Service for $16,560.

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The second lowest bid was Monster Tree
Service 19,100 and the highest was

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Treeandscape for $20,850.
I would make a motion that we accept the

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low bid from Prairie Grove Tree Service.
Do I have a second?

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» I'll second that motion.
>> Roll call.

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» Mike,
>> yes.

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» Tim,
>> yes.

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» Larry,
>> yes.

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» Craig,
>> yes.

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» Danny,
>> yes.

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» Mick,
>> yes.

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» Okay, moving on to public comments. If
you would [clears throat] like to speak,

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please come to the podium, state your
name and address, and you have three

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minutes.

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Hey guys. Um, Heather Armstrong, 3851,
Old Highway 68, 20town, Arkansas. I just

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wanted to reintroduce myself and tell
you guys how we're glad that we've got

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y'all's support letter and everything.
21 weeks ago. Um, we have had a few

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people reach out to us in the community
and we were just want to see what we

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might be able to help y'all with in the
future, seeing as we've been helping

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y'all for the last four years. And just
kind of want to invite y'all out, let

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you guys see the place, see what we've
been doing. Let you know that all of our

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city officials, officers, firemen,
police officers, everybody's coming out

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tomorrow for a big shindig. if anybody'd
like to come out and see what we have

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done for the city of Tony Town. Um,
wanted to address and see if there's any

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way possible we could actually get some
support on some things that we've been

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asking for. We would love to have you
guys out. I know Miss Russell's been out

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to the house and I know Mr. Mike's been
out to the house, but we'd definitely

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like to have you guys out. Um,
let you guys kind of see what we're

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doing
>> tomorrow. Could you tell us the times?

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» Um, yes. will be operating a fundraiser
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» 10 and 1. Thank you. Thank you guys.
>> Mayor, excuse me. Uh but you said this

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was for items on the agenda. Is there
agenda item for this subject?

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What is this for for agenda items?

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» No. So there that was not one of the
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get up and
>> Okay. didn't see that. Uh, Maddie, is

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there anyone online? No. All right,
moving on.

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» New business.
A presentation by Sarah Living Good.

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» If I may, mayor, I I invited Miss Living
Good uh and put this uh on the um agenda

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for discussion. I felt it would be
better hearing from a live person. and I

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presented a position paper to the
council um a few weeks back and uh Mr.

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Lab good here I'm sure is going to be
better in person than my written paper.

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Thank you sir.
>> Thank you guys for having me. One

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second.

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So, I'm Sarah Lifing Good. I'm the
executive director for the Fagetville

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area of Arkansas Community Foundation.
Um, I would say Fagetville area is a

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little bit of a misnomer, so I don't
want that to be misleading. We serve all

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of Washington County along with a bit of
Madison County and Benton County as

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well. and Arkansas Community Foundation
has been serving the state of Arkansas

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to build a better communities across the
state for 50 years. So I'm going to

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start the presentation just sharing a
little bit about who the foundation is

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and then share the types of funds that
we have because I know the discussion

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has been around the historic museum here
in Tonitown just so that I can give you

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guys opportunity to see what options
that we do have and how we have

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supported other organizations in the
Washington County area as they've gone

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to grow either their museum or their
parks and rec um departments as well.

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So a community foundation, we are a
taxexempt charitable organization and it

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provides support primarily for the
geographic community or region. Because

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we are a statewide organization, we have
affiliates throughout the state with a

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local board that represents us. So that
it is concentrated on that unique

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geographic area.
We act as a grant making foundation and

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as I mentioned we serve geographically
um the community. We have a very broad

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mission. We're supported by private and
public donors and we're governed by

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those local boards.
Right now the Arkansas Community

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Foundation has 29 affiliates throughout
the state. Fateville area being the one

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of the largest ones. We have over 2,000
charitable funds totaling more than a

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billion dollars. and we've been making
grants since 1976 in the range of $600

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million.

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We do have three different types of
funds. So, we have a charitable

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distribution fund that's in the purple
and that starts at $1,000. And I'm going

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to give you guys some examples of how
orgs have used the different types of

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funds as I move forward in slides. That
charitable distribution, it's not

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invested. That means it's also not
endowed. You have access to the entire

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corpus. And the fees are a bit higher on
that one with 2% per gift. And any

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donors into that fund do have the
opportunity to pay for any sort of um

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credit card fees that if they decide to
make donations through our online

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system. We have a quasi endowment that's
in the blue. It is $100,000 minimum.

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It's fully invested. And what's unique
about that account is you do have access

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to the entire account. It has an annual
fee of 1.25%.

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And then the green is a fully endowed
fund. It has a $10,000 minimum and it's

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fully invested and endowed and it has a
spendable of 4% after it's invested for

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20 quarters.
So, a couple examples of how some

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Washington County organizations have
used our funs. We've got the Shiloh

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Museum in Springdale. They have the
green. They have an endowment and they

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use that spendable. And I'm just going
to back up so you can see it.

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So, Shiloh Museum has an endowment and
they use that 4% spendable to go towards

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organizational costs. They are set up as
um a city entity and so when they ask

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for their funds, those funds get
directed to the city and they are

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itemized as to exactly what those funds
are to be used for and then they are

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spently

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in Fagatville. We've got the Von
Richardson Community Center. They also

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have an endowment. are also a c a city
entity and similarly they have that

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endowment that gets directed through the
city to fund programming at the

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community center. What's unique about
them is that they do have their own

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nonprofit arm that directs those funds,
which is in contrast to the the Shiloh

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Museum. And the Von Richardson Community
Center is who their nonprofit arm, the

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Friends of YCCC is who chose to take
what were extra funds that they had at

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the time and invest them into an
endowment for the long-term usage and

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support of Ivon Richardson Community
center programming.

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And then one of my my last example is
Mount Sequoia. Mount Sequoia has two

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different types of funds. They have that
quasi endowment and they have an

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endowment. So the quasi endowment
allows them to have their their corpus

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of funds invested. So they are growing
year after year, but they have access to

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the entire corpus. So if they need some
sort of building maintenance or they

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need something towards other operational
funds, they can pull from the entire

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corpus of that quasi endowment, but they
also have a full endowment so that that

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is fully endowed and they can only pull
from that 4% for long-term stability.

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And that's just a quick a quick
overview. Um if you guys have any

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questions,
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in regards to the
uh charitable donor fund pass through

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which I think the Favville friends of
Favville parks is 2% fee that you

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mentioned is that a one-time fee when
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or is that a recurring monthly annual
fee or is it just a one time 2% let's

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say I wanted to give you $100 is $2 a
one time fee or is it the balance of the

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signed at 2%.
How does that work

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» for the charitable distribution? Every
time a donation is made to that

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um that fund,
there's a 2% fee on that gift. We've

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seen a lot of organizations that don't
come in with a large amount of funds

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start with either a char with a
charitable distribution and then change

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it over to a quasi endowment or an
endowment in time so that it is only an

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annual fee as opposed to a 2% per gift.
>> Okay. But my question is a little bit

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different. I think I understand it's a
one-time deal, but there's no monthly or

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annual after the initial 2% is paid. Is
that correct?

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On a fund. If I give you $100,
it's $2 on the outset. That's all the

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fees that's ever charged on that
particular donation.

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» Correct.
>> So, there's no maintenance fee

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throughout [clears throat] what I was
trying to get to

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» with the charitable distribution. Yes,
>> exactly. That was my Thank you.

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» Uh

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from a an accounting standpoint,
I understand it correctly. Um you would

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issue 1098s at the end of each year to
person that makes a donation.

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City ultimately has no obligations or or
responsibilities from a county

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standpoint. You handle all of that.
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» Okay. So, let's take it one step
further. Let's say this account grows

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and you've got $50,000 in it and
that be determined that they want to do

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something, build a statute of
Christopher Columbus or whatever and

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they need 50 of that $100,000.
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walk me through the mechanics of how
that 50 is returned. you pay statute

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builder or how does that work?
>> So, we do not directly pay vendors

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because we're a charitable making a
grant making organization.

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The request would come in for the
$50,000 that then gets directed either

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through the nonprofit or the city
entity. So, for example, with the von

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Richardson Community Center, when they
request a

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they request a grant distribution, it
goes to the city of Fagatville earmarked

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for the community center. So, similarly,
you would make the request earmarked for

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the Christopher Columbus statue as per
the example and then it can go through

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the city or the nonprofit organization
depending on who's making the request.

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So there's a full audit trail when the
auditors come to town. It there's no

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question that the city itself in that
case is not making a charitable

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donation. City's dismanaging it to to
push it back through to this case the

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museum or parks or whichever fund that
might be.

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» Correct. Just as if um someone made the
$50,000

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donation to the fund for the the statue.
It's tracked from the donation coming in

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and that memo to it going out with that
memo. So, you've got multiple stages of

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tracking exactly how those funds are
supposed to be used.

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» Another question, um, is the city
limited to one fund? We have a museum,

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which is front and center of this
discussion that we first started talking

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about it, but there may be a parks and
wreck that that needs to have

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the ability if somebody wants to donate
something to the parks. Does this is the

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city limited to one fund or can they
have multiple uh in this case charable

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distribution funds?
>> You can have multiple.

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» Okay.
I think that's all my question. Sure to

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these other guys. I'm sure has got some
nothing at all, Mr. Wagner. I'm good.

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Madame Mayor, may I
>> Yes.

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» He can read my mind. Uh okay. You said
that on the endowment that after you

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sort of slipped it in after 20 quarters,
which you know in layman's terms that's

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five years. Yep.
>> Uh that we can't touch that. Um and then

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once we can touch it, there's access to
4% of spendable. What is that? What is

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that spendable number? Where does that
come from?

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» And uh and explain to me why it's 4%.
>> So we have a state board that manages

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the whole organization and they are a
fiduciary board. They are the ones that

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set the spendable rate. Several years
ago, it was a 5% access to the

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spendable. And because our board and the
company that we use for investments,

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look at investing
for ever in like in perpetuity as

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opposed to investing for retirement.
when the market dipped um about 10 years

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10 years ago um they decided to drop it
down to 4% to make sure our endowments

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were going to last.
>> Okay. That that that tells me why. Uh it

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doesn't tell me what. So if we have a
million dollars in the endowment fund,

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are you telling me that only 4% of that
is spendable?

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» Correct. The rest of it is invested and
growing.

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» Okay. So when it says access to 4%
spendable, perhaps a better verbiage is

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access to 4% is spendable or the
spendable amount is only 4% whatever.

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But that means for every million we can
only spend $40,000.

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Uh and is that per year? Is that per
calendar year? Is that

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» it is per year.
>> Okay. And that is per calendar year.

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» Our fiscal year runs from July 1st to
July 1st to June 30th. So that's so that

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is a a fiscal year. Yes.
>> Um and so if we took money out on June

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30th, we could take it out again on July
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» Correct.
>> Okay. Thank you very much. Um

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and then what are these funds fully
invested in? You said that they're one

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is uh uh fully invested, one is quasi
invested. What are they invested in?

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they're invested in a very large
portfolio and it it ch it's different

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depending on the fund. Um that is
something that I can get

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» depending on the fund you mean
>> because it's

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we have different funds for different
people and for different organizations

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and so with all of those investments our
advisory organization invests across

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board. That is not my I say that's not
my territory.

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» That's just fine. I appreciate that. Uh,
but who has input? Do do we as a city or

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does does the the Tonny Town Museum have
any input in in that or

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» we are different from say like a Schwab
where you would be able to determine

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where your investments are. We have the
the same organization that works with

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Crystal Bridges on their investments.
That's who we we work with as to they

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make determinations of our investments
and the state board approves that.

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» I appreciate that. It's not exactly the
question I'm asking. So, let me try

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again. Um, when you you said there are
different investments or different funds

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for different companies, but then your
answer made it sound like there's one

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idea and all people get the same thing.
So, my question is, is there any

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variation between what Mount Sequoia has
and what the Tony Museum would have for

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instance,
>> potentially depending on the market?

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» Okay. And then what deres that
difference? Is it the amount of money

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that's there?
>> It depend it would depend on what the

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different funds are invested in.
>> Okay. So again, who who makes that

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decision and why and and if we have no
input, we just say like, hey, you guys

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are smarter than us. You go figure that
out. I understand that. Um and and

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that's why we're paying the one and a
quarter% on the one and 1% on the other.

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But those can change based on what they
deem is most appropriate for for

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whatever it happens to be in
>> what the advisers are advisers

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determine. Yes.
>> Okay. So there's fiduciary

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responsibility and and they have to do
what's in the best interest um in that

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regard. Okay. And then um the fees of uh
one and a quarter% 1% those aren't those

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aren't necessarily high low or sideways.
But is there a is there a tiered

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breakdown where the more money that's
there the less that costs?

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» There is once you get into the the
million dollar range we have a different

442
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,119
breakdown.
>> Okay. Would you mind sharing that with

443
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,440
me?
>> I I don't have that with me.

444
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,720
» Okay. But you can get me that.
>> Absolutely.

445
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:27,680
» Wonderful. Thank you.
Let me look over my notes again.

446
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:32,000
Okay. So again, if we did an endowment
fund, we say we start with a million

447
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:41,359
dollars in the endowment fund. We can't
even touch that 40,000 for five years.

448
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:47,760
Yes, you. So I'll use the Fagatville
operating endowment as an example. We

449
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:53,280
can touch a small percentage each year,
but the full 4% is not available until

450
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:56,640
you hit the 5year mark.
>> Okay? So we can do something under four

451
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,400
and we're not entirely certain what it
is yet but you can get me that too.

452
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:03,800
» Y
>> wonderful thank you. And um

453
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:14,800
and then on the quai endowed
if there was again say a million dollars

454
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:18,480
there um would we have access to a
million dollars on day one?

455
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:23,920
» That's a great question. The caveat
would be you can't go below $50,000 for

456
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:29,280
three years.
Okay. So, again, if it had a million

457
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:31,520
dollars um and we took out $950,000 of
it, you don't have a problem with that.

458
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,119
» Correct.
>> Um and you might not even have a problem

459
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,400
if we take out a little more. But after
the three years go by where it's under

460
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:43,280
that, that's when you start to have an
issue.

461
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:50,720
» You can't go below the 50,000 until
after the three years.

462
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:54,720
» Okay. Okay. Okay. Um wonderful. I very
much appreciate your presentation. you

463
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:58,079
did a great job. Uh, but is is there a
way to get the the nuts and bolts, the

464
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:02,640
the fine print?
>> Absolutely. Um, I didn't want to bring

465
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:08,559
all of our investments and I can also
put you in contact with our CFO who

466
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:11,280
works with our um, our advisory group if
that would be helpful to kind of break

467
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:13,520
down
>> what our investments have looked like

468
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,520
and return.
>> Extraordinarily helpful for me.

469
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,000
» Can definitely do that.
>> Thank you.

470
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:20,960
» Absolutely. Okay. Does anyone else have
Mr. W KOak.

471
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:23,680
» Mayor got one more question if nobody
else is.

472
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:29,839
» Mr. Wish Kak has got a question.
>> Okay, great. Um, I'm going to maybe try

473
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:33,520
to help Mr. Burus, maybe myself too,
with this question. Maybe what he's

474
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,280
asking if I'm an investor and I go to
Schwab, they're going to give me

475
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:41,520
different growth strategies to look at.
Is that the kind of angle you're looking

476
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:45,040
for, or are you looking at more of a
like on a moral basis? I don't want to

477
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,480
invest in particular funds.
>> No, more more the first, but it doesn't

478
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:53,280
necessarily matter. I think that she's
answered that uh we don't really have

479
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:57,520
much to say about that. We're saying you
guys do it and you do what you think is

480
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,680
best and that's the best we we can get
from that.

481
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:06,559
» But can we pick do do we get to pick
like a we want more uh safer with our

482
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:09,119
money or is it we give you the money and
you make the decisions on what to do

483
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,839
with it?
>> Correct.

484
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:15,280
» It's not I get to pick aggressive growth
strategy or I want to go all bond funds.

485
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,880
» Correct.
>> Okay, that's fair enough. Thank you.

486
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:24,000
» Okay, Mr. Wagner,
>> one one more question. U I assume it's

487
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:28,079
possible that as you start out, let's
just say right now, I don't know how

488
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:33,280
much money that everybody's going to
rush to the altar and start handing in

489
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:38,720
uh money to whatever funds we create,
but uh the simplest way looks like to

490
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:45,359
start out as the charitable distribution
model. Uh but at any point in time or I

491
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:50,960
guess at least on an annual basis you
could upgrade to one of the quasi

492
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:55,839
endowed or endowed uh as we get more
experience with it. It's it's possible

493
00:52:53,119 --> 00:53:01,839
to switch from one type of of fund to
the to the next.

494
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:04,800
» Correct. But you can only go
depends on how you're looking at the

495
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:09,119
screen. You can only go to the right.
You can't go

496
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:12,559
» back to the left because you're going
more permanent once you head towards the

497
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:17,680
endowment.
>> Yeah, that that's what I was meaning.

498
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:24,000
But right now, for an example, the the
Favville uh park is using the that and I

499
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:28,720
think their strategy is that they want
to have the money that they get to for

500
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:34,079
whatever it needs as quickly as they can
even though it's got a little higher fee

501
00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:39,520
structure. Um, I would note though the
2% is a one-time deal is is what you

502
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:43,920
just explained. The other two are annual
fees.

503
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:50,720
» Yes, they're annual fees, but just to
just to reiterate, it's per gift. So, if

504
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:54,720
each one of you donated $100, it's a 2%
fee on on everybody.

505
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:59,200
» Understand that. But but in your
examples here in the charts, it's got

506
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:05,760
fee 1.25%
annual. So if you had $100,000

507
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:11,280
in the fee, that's 1.25%. Then next year
if it grows to 200, it's 200 times 1.25.

508
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:15,920
So that's an escalator clause. Wherever
the the charitable donation, a one time

509
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:22,480
hit on each donation.
>> Correct. The the caveat is you are your

510
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:28,480
fund is growing hopefully more than than
is being um donated into it because of

511
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:31,680
how it's invested.
>> Thank you. That's all my question

512
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:37,359
» and madam madam mayor I would love to
take ask another question or two. Um so

513
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:41,359
on the charitable distribution just just
as a reminder to everybody up here that

514
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,960
is static all that's just a bank
account. There's not there's we're not

515
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:50,480
gaining anything. We're not losing
anything. We pay 2% to walk in the door

516
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:55,520
and that's that. um on the quasa endowed
and on the endowment I know that that

517
00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:01,040
you don't necessarily want to say this
but somewhere along the line as a point

518
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:05,520
of public record uh we can see what
those rates of return are and what sort

519
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:13,200
of rates of return are we looking at
under a quasa endowed and endowed fund

520
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:18,079
» it it has ranged anywhere from four to
7% depending on the market and I I would

521
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:20,319
be happy to share all that
documentation.

522
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:25,000
» Thank you. Appreciate it.
>> That is all. Thanks.

523
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:25,000
» Anyone else?

524
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:30,480
» Thank you very much, ma'am. I appreciate
it. Thank you.

525
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:34,160
» Thank you, chair.
>> Moving on to B. A discussion of proposed

526
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:38,480
resolution allowing the mayor to solicit
RFQS for professional grant

527
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:42,559
administrative administration services.
Miss

528
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:51,599
» uh yes, I uh sponsored this for Mr.
Laam. Uh this is brought forward um to

529
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:56,400
go for RFQS um for our grant program. Um
I'm just looking for approval on this.

530
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:59,680
I'll uh go ahead and give it a motion um
so we can begin discussion.

531
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:04,160
» Okay. Do I have a second?
>> I'll second.

532
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:09,413
» Danny
and Mike

533
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,413
just look at me whenever you [laughter]

534
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:17,280
Okay. Um, all right.
Roll call. Craig,

535
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,480
» yes.
>> Mick,

536
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,680
» yes.
>> Danny,

537
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,440
» yes.
>> Larry,

538
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,240
» yes.
>> Mike,

539
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:24,079
» yes.
>> And Tim, [snorts]

540
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:28,240
» yes.
>> Okay, we'll start our discussion then.

541
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:31,520
We'll start with Mr. Wishko. Do you have
any questions?

542
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:36,799
» I have no questions.
>> Mr. Burus?

543
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:42,359
» Um,
no ma'am. Thank you,

544
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,359
» Mr. Ardammani.

545
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,359
» No questions.
>> Montes.

546
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,440
» No, ma'am. I think it's pretty laid out.
>> Mr. Graves,

547
00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:51,200
» no questions.
>> Mr. Wagner,

548
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:54,960
» none.
>> Okay. Roll call.

549
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,640
» Craig,
>> yes.

550
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,240
» Mick,
>> yes.

551
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,760
» Danny,
>> yes.

552
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,119
» Larry,
>> yes.

553
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,319
» Mike,
>> yes.

554
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,119
» And Tim,
>> yes.

555
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:09,119
» Okay, moving on to C. a discussion and
approval of a proposed resolution

556
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:14,720
allowing the mayor to enter a contract
with Harrington Miller regarding

557
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:18,720
condemnation of Grow for Fletcher. Mr. W
Kak.

558
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:24,640
» Uh yes, thank you, mayor. Um these next
two items go hand in hand. Um as if if

559
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:32,079
you've looked through your packet at
all, you understand that. Um I intend to

560
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:38,559
provide a brief discussion on um why
we're at this point. um based on um

561
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:46,559
information I've ganed from discussions
with several people um and

562
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:53,040
uh the study of the appraisal report.
The city obtained an appraisal by Reed

563
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:57,680
and Associates in April of 26 uh on the
value of the rightway acquisitions,

564
00:57:55,839 --> 00:58:01,599
permanent utility easements, and
temporary construction easements for the

565
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:06,720
city's portion of the Fletcher Road
extension at the west half of Fletcher

566
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:10,720
Road.
The appraised value for the whole

567
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:17,760
property according to Reeden Associates
um um [clears throat]

568
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:22,880
was valued at the land is owned by A&J
Real Estate Holdings by the way. The the

569
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:28,520
appraised value by Reed Associates was
put the uh whole property value at

570
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,520
$2,62,400.

571
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:38,720
The land was purchased according to Data
Scout by the owners for $1.8 million.

572
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:44,319
the remainder property, that is the land
that is left uh in the owner's

573
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:49,440
possession after the city acquires what
it needs for the for its rightway uh

574
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:56,839
permanent utility easements and uh
temporary construction easements. The

575
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,839
would be $1,853,800.

576
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:04,160
So even the the value after the uh
damage to the property that was

577
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:09,359
determined by Reeden Associates is a
little bit more than what the u the

578
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:13,680
purchase price was. Uh the damage to
market value calculated uh for the

579
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:18,240
rightway, the utility easements and the
temporary construction easements uh

580
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:23,160
according to the appraisal report from
Reeden Associates was $221,300.

581
00:59:23,241 --> 00:59:32,880
[snorts] U a couple months ago, city
council uh received the appraisal report

582
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:38,559
and also a resolution to u uh authorized
the mayor to negotiate this purchase uh

583
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:44,960
based on the appraisal and the city
offered the um the damage to market

584
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:50,640
value calculation to the land owner
which was refused. landowner rejected

585
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:56,640
the offer but uh has not formally
countered with a written offer on what

586
00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:00,720
they would accept for the property. Uh
nor do they have a formal appraisal to

587
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:07,040
justify their valuation of the land
which I've had discussions with the land

588
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:14,799
owner uh and they value the land
somewhere between $600 and $700,000.

589
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:20,400
Um the uh you know I spoke with the land
owner indicated to him clearly I I have

590
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:24,000
no power to negotiate on behalf of the
city uh and I wasn't attempting to do

591
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:32,079
so. So I just merely wanted to find out
his position on how this got to this

592
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:39,040
particular point. and u you know he u
went back to um the purchase price of

593
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:46,160
the acre of land on the eastern portion
of Fletcher and uh the remainder of the

594
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:52,720
land that they got from that purchase
was about a half an acre and they paid

595
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:59,359
approximately 157 for the land. So his
valuation for what he thinks the uh uh

596
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:04,880
acquisition that the city needs to pay
for is

597
01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:09,520
150 a half acre. So we're talking about
a total of a little over two acres in

598
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:15,280
the um
the acquisition rightway easements and

599
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:22,640
uh construction easements. So we're
we're a little bit off on numbers

600
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:28,880
obviously. um they have um no intention
on budging on their um

601
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:33,520
price according to my discussions with
him. He has no hard [clears throat]

602
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:41,440
feelings towards the city u should the
city move forward with the condemnation

603
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:46,160
um uh resolution um and the
resolution to hire the appropriate legal

604
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:52,640
authorities to represent us in doing
that. Uh there were discussions in the

605
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:57,920
past with the land owner and the city on
u uh

606
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:03,839
maybe I don't want to call it a land
swap type of deal but it it was

607
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:11,440
something that hopefully could be worked
out where there would be a dedication of

608
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:18,640
the rightway um u on the western half to
the city provided that a a a reszoning

609
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:23,440
were to take place, there were no
promises made. Nobody from the city

610
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:28,720
bound or or attempted to bind the city
because there there's no way anybody

611
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:35,359
from the city could bind the city to
such a condition. Uh there there's no

612
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:40,079
that that is the purview of the council.
Um the council rejected that reszone

613
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:44,079
proposition when it came forward uh for
a couple of reasons. Uh I don't have to

614
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:51,200
rehash those. If you're at the meeting,
you know why. Uh but anyway, so they're

615
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:57,359
not budging on their price. Uh I think
what we've offered based on the

616
01:02:52,720 --> 01:03:01,119
appraisal report and um if you compare
the the numbers and run the numbers

617
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:05,760
yourself, what we offered I think is
fair market value. Um and that's really

618
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:11,040
all I'm going to say about that. So,
I'll make a motion to

619
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:14,559
um
>> move forward

620
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:18,240
» move forward with the
engagement of the law firm and then we

621
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:22,640
can go to the second one. But they all
they kind of tie together, but we can

622
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,920
only do them one at a time. So, make a
motion.

623
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:29,760
» Do Thank you, Mike. Do we have a second?
>> I'll second that motion.

624
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:34,000
» All right. Motion and a second. We'll go
ahead and start. Uh Mr. Mr. Wagner,

625
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:39,359
we'll start with you.
>> Sure. Um,

626
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:44,000
Mr. Was Kovak, I appreciate you uh kind
of bringing us up today. I'm a little

627
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:49,039
bit disappointed in that this item come
before us and uh I only saw the

628
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:53,440
appraisal uh yesterday when you sent it
to me. It would appear to me like before

629
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:57,280
we start suing people for condemnation
or any other purpose, the council would

630
01:03:55,839 --> 01:04:01,680
be provided with a little bit more
facts. My first question is who in fact

631
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,599
had the negotiations? you said you
weren't qualified to do it, but it would

632
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:10,000
seem logical that some city
representative would have something in

633
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:17,119
writing that council could en enjoy. Uh
it appears that the um developer is uh

634
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:24,880
making his own uh comp, so to speak,
when he bought a house that the city

635
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:28,720
took $170,000 shellacking on. Uh, and I
said once upon a time, I wouldn't at

636
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:34,799
council at that point, but maybe maybe
we each needed to read a copy of uh, The

637
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:40,480
Art of the Deal by a guy. Uh, and at
that time, Fletcher Road u, we we had

638
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:44,079
full set of plans and we knew where the
routes were going to be. So, we knew

639
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:48,240
where the west end was going to go
versus the east end. We took no

640
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:53,359
consideration.
But, let's go back to the cops for a

641
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:57,760
moment. Uh the the road had to jog jog
south because the city and previous

642
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:03,920
administrations had let a building
encroach the master street plan which

643
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:08,480
caused the road to J to all on be on the
AJ properties which by the way the road

644
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:17,200
is going over a pond. So I don't think
you can compare swamp land to a hard

645
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:22,319
corner on Bington. And in in fact u I
adamantly while not being on the council

646
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:26,000
was shocked and amazed that this council
actually even considered without taking

647
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,880
competitive bids what that property was
worth and it was oh well we're going to

648
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:36,079
lose some because we got to give it to
the rideways and everything. You don't

649
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:42,720
bargain a whole project one piece at a
time. You take it in a macro aspect. And

650
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:47,680
I'm not sure who done the negotiations,
but it's a damn poor one from what I can

651
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:52,559
see to this point with what little
information that I've been given. And I

652
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:57,119
hope that we all learn going forward
from this that a little bit more

653
01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:02,079
documentation and communications would
be healthy for all and probably a little

654
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:08,079
bit less expensive. But we're kind of in
a sticky wicket. And unfortunately,

655
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:14,000
um, this is what you get when you
halfway considered. Ready, aim, fire.

656
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:18,720
No, this is ready, fire, aim. And in
fact, we had to rush to vote because

657
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:23,839
this developer was going to order some
iron to make a decision to sell a corner

658
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:29,680
lot, which had more value to him than
anybody else because the setback rules

659
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:37,440
go away when he owns all the property.
Um, again, I cannot explain enough what

660
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:41,599
a poor job the city has done to this
point and why we're in this situation. I

661
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:44,960
yield.
>> Hey, Mr. Graves.

662
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:48,280
» I got nothing.
>> Mr. Montes,

663
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:53,640
» I have nothing as well.
>> Mr. Arty,

664
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:59,599
» nothing.
>> Miss Burrus.

665
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:05,599
» Thank you, Madam Mayor. I would try to
be uh as kind as possible. Um I hope

666
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:09,760
nobody gets their feelings hurt here or
elsewhere.

667
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:12,559
» Mr. Burr, just a moment. U would you
mind starting the clock over?

668
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,960
» I [snorts] would.
>> She wants to make sure I have my full

669
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:18,640
minutes
>> on the record to be kind.

670
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:22,240
» All right, Mr. Burst, go ahead.
>> Thank you. I lost five seconds. That's

671
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:28,480
fine.
Um, this piece of property has been the

672
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:34,799
bane of my existence since it first came
into our periphery. Uh, I have literally

673
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:41,839
never voted in the affirmative for
anything this council has ever tried to

674
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:44,960
do with it. Um, and if I do vote yes to
move forward on condemnation, it will be

675
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:49,119
the first time that I have voted yes on
a single thing about this property. Uh,

676
01:07:47,359 --> 01:07:55,359
I've been extremely disappointed with
the way the city has acted. Um, I think

677
01:07:52,160 --> 01:08:00,400
the city has made a lot of really,
really foolish decisions. And to answer

678
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:05,359
your question, Mr. Wagner, as to who
moved into a negotiation role, I'd like

679
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:10,079
to first of all commend council member
Wkoak for not moving in to that

680
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:15,039
particular posture. But there was a
former council person um who will remain

681
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:21,359
unnamed uh who took upon themselves to
do a fair amount of that negotiating. Um

682
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:25,120
again to be kind, I believe they were
trying to do what they thought was best

683
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:29,279
to make something happen, but they
stepped way out of their um their

684
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:33,440
authority.
So with that said, as we've been dealing

685
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:40,640
with this particular property, as we've
been dealing with this particular issue,

686
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:46,880
swamp land and all, you're not wrong. Um
Reeden Associates um gave us this

687
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:53,600
appraisal. Readen Associates has a great
uh great reputation and um

688
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:59,839
I believe their pricing to be fair and
adequate. Um even if it were not, for

689
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:06,080
the owner of this property to just pick
some number out of thin air is is

690
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:10,640
ridiculous. So I do not love the idea of
condemning a property. I do not love the

691
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:15,120
idea of imminent domain, but I'm not
entirely certain how we move forward

692
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:20,239
when apparently there was a little wink
wink nudge nudge previously of hey, you

693
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:24,880
do this, we'll do that, which never got
an approval from this council or

694
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:29,759
anywhere else. Um, but it's uh a little
bit of what has happened here for the

695
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:35,440
last 135 years or so, which is you
scratch my back and and I'll roll over

696
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:40,640
for you so you can take full advantage.
It's just not appropriate. It's not

697
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:46,808
showing good fiduciary responsibility
for the city. So, I am not super excited

698
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:51,600
about where we find ourselves and I
[clears throat] would rather that A&J

699
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:56,880
had some other idea in mind that perhaps
we find a way to work through. But we do

700
01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:00,800
have an appraisal whether we got it
yesterday or not uh or sorry for the

701
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:09,040
first time yesterday or not. I I knew
that number before. Um, but I don't see

702
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:15,600
how we move forward when we've got such
a chasm of roughly $400,000 between us

703
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:21,760
that they can't come up with any other
idea except well, we want more money for

704
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:24,560
that. Um, so I'm glad that they like us.
I'm glad they like Mike. I'm glad they

705
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:32,000
don't have hard feelings and they
recognize that it's business. Uh but um

706
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:38,560
we do indeed need to act like
professionals. We do indeed need to

707
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:42,480
ready ourselves, aim, and then fire
instead of just saying, "Well, I guess

708
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:48,000
we've got to do that thing now." So I
agree with you, Mr. Wagner. I do believe

709
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:53,920
that we need to do better. Uh, and
unfortunately because we didn't and they

710
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:57,840
didn't, we find ourselves in a rather
unusual and unfortunate position. I

711
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:02,000
yield.
>> Mr. Wishak.

712
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:06,960
» Yes. [clears throat]
Just a just a couple of things. Um, the

713
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:12,480
only two people who wouldn't have seen
this before I reeailed it on uh Monday

714
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:19,040
would have been Mr. Wagner and Mr.
Graves because they're both new. Uh,

715
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:23,440
post date. the uh appraisal. Again, I'm
not casting aspersions on anybody in the

716
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:30,960
city either. It it it this probably
could have been handled a little bit

717
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:35,760
better. I don't like uh uh the situation
and I think this is a last resort method

718
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:43,120
that should only be used as a last
resort. And I don't see any other resort

719
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:51,040
to resort to to beat that word to death
uh at this particular point. So, I I I'm

720
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:56,080
not super happy, but I don't see any
other way forward at this moment. Uh,

721
01:11:54,000 --> 01:12:02,239
so, and I'll yield the rest of my time.
>> Okay, Mr. Wagner, your second round.

722
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:05,920
» I really don't have anything to say, but
you can't fix stupid. Thank you,

723
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,280
» Mr. Graves.
>> Nothing to add,

724
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:14,719
» Mr. Montes.
>> Um, no. I I I mean I just kind of echo

725
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:19,120
everything that was set up here. You
know, um this has been mishandled and

726
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:22,480
we've got to do what we've got to do and
uh this seems like the next appropriate

727
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:26,400
course of action.
>> Hey, Mr. Artmani. Oh.

728
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:28,880
» Yes, ma'am.
>> I don't have anything to add.

729
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:32,159
» All right, Mr. Burrus.
>> No, ma'am. Thank you.

730
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:35,280
» Uh Mr. Wish Koak.
>> All done.

731
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:38,800
» Welcome.
>> Craig,

732
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:45,280
» yes. Mick,
>> for clarification, we are voting on the

733
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,320
item C, which is to hire the lawyer.
Correct.

734
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,760
» Correct.
>> Yes, sir.

735
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:51,840
» Yes.
>> Danny,

736
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:55,880
» yes.
>> Larry,

737
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,880
» yes.

738
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,199
» Mike,
>> yes.

739
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,320
» Tim,
>> yes.

740
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:07,760
» Okay. Moving on to D. A discussion and
approval of proposed resolution allowing

741
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:11,679
condemnation for Fletcher Road. Mr. Wish
Koak.

742
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:18,560
» Um, I don't think I really have anything
to add, although I think um um I will

743
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:23,600
add this as a just a personal note. Um I
I believe the attorney that will be

744
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:30,960
handling this from the firm. I I I know
him and he's a super good dude. Uh so if

745
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:35,440
that uh puts anybody [laughter] at ease,
uh so be it for what it's worth. But uh

746
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:38,159
I'll make a motion to approve this
resolution.

747
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:42,080
Do we have a second?
>> I will second that.

748
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:45,040
» All right. Um, we'll start with Mr.
Wagner.

749
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:50,400
» Is this discussion?
>> Yes, sir.

750
01:13:47,360 --> 01:14:00,159
» Well, the only thing I can do is pray
that when this becomes before a judge

751
01:13:54,400 --> 01:14:07,920
that he can feel mercy on
uh Forest Gump once said, "Stupid is

752
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:12,719
stupid does." And uh we'll look at this
appraisal

753
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:21,120
and figure that a developer that paid
$2.25 cents a square foot for property

754
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:26,719
owner about April 7th of 2025
and now expects to receive three times

755
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:32,000
that amount in an 18month growth period.
uh might think that would be absorbent

756
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:40,880
even though the comp that is used to
compare to is land that this city sold

757
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:45,600
him. Um and with that uh just pray for
mercy. Judge, [laughter]

758
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:47,120
» you yield your time.
>> Yes.

759
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:49,280
» Mr. Graves,
>> I yield my time.

760
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,120
» Mr. Montes,
>> no comment.

761
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:52,719
» Mr. Armmani,
>> no comment.

762
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,600
» Mr. Burus?
>> I yield. Thank you.

763
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:58,239
» And Mr. Wish Kak?
>> No. Thank you, mayor.

764
01:14:56,719 --> 01:15:03,280
» All right. Is it all right if we go
ahead and move forward or do we want to

765
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:06,000
go through the second round of
>> y my time?

766
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:07,280
» We can move forward. I'll yield my
second bite.

767
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,320
» All right.
>> I have nothing to say.

768
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,000
» Roll call.
>> Craig,

769
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,199
» yes.
>> Mick,

770
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,480
» Danny,
>> yes.

771
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,760
» Larry,
>> yes.

772
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,520
» Mike,
>> yes.

773
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,920
» And Tim,
>> yes.

774
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:25,600
» All right, moving on to E. A discussion
and appointment of alderman to the city

775
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:29,679
of Tonytown standing committees. Mr.
Wish Kak.

776
01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:34,400
» Um, council, you see before you, uh, the
resolution. Um,

777
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:39,280
there's
a couple of things.

778
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:45,520
» Well,
do I need to state my position on this

779
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:49,520
or just make a motion to to
>> make a motion for it or

780
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:53,120
» I I want to make sure I'm doing this
right, counselor. I haven't had a chance

781
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:57,120
to
>> You You need to make a motion. Um but

782
01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:00,400
but also we've been allowing for
introduction statements. So I think you

783
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:05,402
need to give an introduction and then
make a motion.

784
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:08,960
» I will do that. Thank you. Um we
[clears throat]

785
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:14,719
have a little bit of a conflict in our
ordinance and that it calls for three uh

786
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:19,600
council members, but I'm hoping um
there's a an easy rectification for

787
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:24,480
that. I'll I I will bring a um
resolution or anybody else can next time

788
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:31,360
that uh we'll we'll do a a similar
committee meeting style to what is done

789
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:39,360
in um other cities where all committees
will meet on the same night. Um

790
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:47,640
and that'll put this uh three council
member issue

791
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:47,640
to rest perhaps. Um u also

792
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:59,520
these if if appointments are my
suggestions um based on discussions with

793
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:04,960
um um I've talked with the incoming
mayor and Mr. Zupo and we just came up

794
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:11,199
with these together. I could not
obviously ask each council member what

795
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:16,480
they wanted. Uh so the only thing that I
might see is a change. I didn't have Mr.

796
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:18,960
Burus as a chair and that's just
>> good good common sense through that.

797
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:24,080
It's just good common sense.
>> I mean if if you want to be chair of

798
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:27,600
something anyway. So um with that I'll
make a motion that we approve this

799
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:30,719
resolution as it's written.
>> Do I have a second?

800
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:36,159
» I will second that.
>> All right. Um discussion. Mr. Wagner.

801
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:40,800
» Yes. Uh to clear up some of the preamble
that Mr. Wkoviac said regarding three

802
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:45,120
members. You're correct. There's nothing
in the ordinance that said they all have

803
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:47,920
to be three appointed tonight. Um, in
regards to that, you mentioned a

804
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:52,960
resolution. I think it was an ordinance
that formed this or an amending

805
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:57,760
ordinance. And uh, I'll I'll challenge
you, Mr. Wascoak, to uh, provide an

806
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:04,320
amending ordinance to require this to
have two two members versus three. Uh

807
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:09,360
the one thing that that's not been
mentioned is in the existing ordinance

808
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:15,440
which is not before us. uh it says that
there's other support people and and I

809
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:22,400
assume but I want to get this out for
the thought of all the panel that uh the

810
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:27,600
chair and co-chair would would I guess
collectively look and see in in the case

811
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:33,920
for an example water we certainly want
the city engineer to be a part of that

812
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:41,280
and we'd certainly want uh the water and
chair u director to be a part of that.

813
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:46,239
So, if I understand that correctly, that
would be the purview of the council

814
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:54,320
members to choose those supporting
people if that's the correct term. Uh,

815
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:57,280
is is that I I believe that's correct.
>> Yeah, I don't think it says anywhere in

816
01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:00,239
the ordinance itself. Correct me if I'm
wrong, anyone that may have it in front

817
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:04,159
of them, but typically the way um
committees would be would work under

818
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:09,199
just parliamentary procedural rules is
the chair would appoint. Uh, I don't

819
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:13,600
remember. It's on the screen now. You
scroll down to membership a little

820
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:18,560
further. Um, yeah, I'm trying to look at
the original ordinance. Um, yeah, I

821
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:23,360
think it's silent beyond chair and vice
chair, right? So, there are no minimum

822
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:28,239
or maximum amount of members. I think
the chair has the the authority to um

823
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:32,159
will further
>> any recommendation be

824
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,560
» Matty go down just a little further,
please.

825
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:38,560
» Okay. So, this has clarified what I
think I'm looking after here, which is

826
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:44,159
that there is no minimum maximum amount
of um appointments that need to be made.

827
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:47,520
So, it it is within the chair's perview.
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor.

828
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:49,040
» Hang on just one moment.
>> Oh, sorry, Mr.

829
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:52,320
» Going down the road.
>> I yield.

830
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:55,199
» All right. Um, Mr. Graves,
>> yield.

831
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:59,920
» Monte,
>> uh, thank you, Mr. Wash Kak and, uh,

832
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:05,040
incoming mayor for putting this list
together. Um, I uh also would like to

833
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:10,560
thank you for putting me in the two
spots I publicly put um that I would

834
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:14,960
like to participate in. So, I think as
long as everybody else is okay with

835
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:19,760
where they're at on this, um I don't see
why we wouldn't go with this um

836
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:23,120
this example in front of us, this
resolution. I yield.

837
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:26,800
» Okay. I'm going to go ahead and take my
time right now. Um I just want to let

838
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:32,000
you know that Mr. Graves did send me his
three and I did give them to uh Mr. Wish

839
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:36,159
Koak. So, Mr. Gri, I just want to let
you know that I did pass that along. All

840
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:41,440
right, Mr. Artmmani,
>> and the only thing I have is we were

841
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:46,640
talking about soliciting people or
getting people for committees. I think

842
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:49,760
it would have to be where they readily
say yes, I will. I don't want to go out

843
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:53,360
and say, "Mr. Bratcher, you're on the
parks and recck committee whether you

844
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:57,840
like it or not." You know, I don't want
to pull that kind of stunt, but but as

845
01:20:55,440 --> 01:21:02,000
long as people acquies or agree to be on
a committee, uh, I'm good with it.

846
01:21:00,811 --> 01:21:03,520
[snorts]
>> Yield

847
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,719
» first.
>> Well, I hate to cause trouble, but a

848
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:09,760
couple things happened. Number one, uh,
this particular page, I've got notes on

849
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:13,120
everything before it and everything
after it, but apparently those got stuck

850
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:18,239
together. So, I didn't see where all the
names landed. And, uh, after the email

851
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:21,520
from Tyler Ferrar, I was under the
impression that we were not supposed to

852
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:25,600
be putting out there where we wanted to
be. that that would all come up tonight.

853
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:29,679
With that said, the public safety
committee, of which I am the co-chair on

854
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:35,120
this list, was literally my fourth
choice. I I mean, no offense to the

855
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:42,159
public safety committee, uh but uh that
was my fourth of what, five choices, six

856
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:46,719
choices. Uh so I it's [clears throat]
fine, but I would much rather be on

857
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:52,239
parks and wreck. Uh uh I think finance
and budget makes perfect sense with my

858
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:58,920
background. Um, but if anybody is uh is
willing to make a change there, uh I

859
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,920
would appreciate that very much.

860
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:08,800
» Well, I am temporary and you may be
full-time. So, if you want me to acquies

861
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:12,719
then and move over with with with Danny,
I I will I will try to do that.

862
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:16,639
» Well, and that's the other benefit is
that you would get to be with Danny.

863
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,080
» Okay. Yeah, sure.
>> Sure.

864
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,880
» All right. Um,
>> thank you, Larry. So are you motioning

865
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:26,480
to amend
>> amend?

866
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:31,400
» Was that was that your motion? Okay.
>> If that's his motion, I will I will

867
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,400
second it.

868
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:38,400
» So you made the motion to amend the
resolution.

869
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:41,360
» Chair co-chairs on the swap swap four
and five.

870
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:43,280
» Four and five. Okay.
>> Thank you.

871
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,719
» Okay. Do you yield the rest of your
time, Mr. Burrus?

872
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:50,960
» I do.
>> All right. Mr. Wish Kak.

873
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:56,480
uh just one comment. I have no intention
of uh unilaterally appointing anyone to

874
01:22:54,320 --> 01:23:00,960
anything that they don't want to be on.
So, uh it will certainly be a

875
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:05,440
conversation. I think that there's been
a little bit of reluctance among council

876
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:08,960
members themselves to be uh put on
committees. So, we're certainly not

877
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:13,199
going to try to force this upon someone
who doesn't want to be

878
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:15,679
» Hey, mayor. I'm sorry. Can I interrupt?
>> Sir,

879
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:19,280
» you have a secondary and a main motion
pending right now. you need to call for

880
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:22,239
a vote on the amendment so we can get
back to business.

881
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:26,320
» Okay, let me go ahead and do that.
Everybody understand what's going on

882
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:30,080
here? We have the motion and for the
amendment.

883
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:34,800
» The amendment is um Tim will move to
co-chair of parks and wreck and Larry

884
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:37,120
will move to co-chair of uh public
safety committee. Cool.

885
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:42,080
» Roll call.
>> That needs a second.

886
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:46,800
» I will second that.
>> Roll call.

887
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:48,239
» Okay. Um, Craig,
>> yes.

888
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,400
» Meg,
>> yes.

889
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:54,320
» Danny,
>> so we're voting on the amendment, not on

890
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:57,199
passage.
>> Okay. Yes,

891
01:23:56,480 --> 01:23:58,400
» Larry.
>> Yes.

892
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,679
» Mike,
>> yes.

893
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:04,000
» Tim,
>> yes.

894
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:08,000
» Okay,
Mr. Wish Koyak, did you amend or yield

895
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:11,280
the rest of your time
>> for the first round?

896
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:17,679
» Uh, just one other comment that these
will change again at first of the year.

897
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:20,000
Okay. Uh, we'll start second round. Mr.
Wagner, do you have anything else?

898
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,679
» Nothing.
>> Mr. Graves,

899
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:26,239
» yield.
>> Mr. Montes.

900
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:29,440
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Wash for pointing
that out that uh this will change here

901
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:36,960
at the beginning of the year. This is
kind of like a test run of this uh this

902
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:42,480
this procedure. So, uh I think that's
good to know. So, we'll all kind of know

903
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:45,120
where where we need to be ne next year.
I yield.

904
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,719
» Mr. Armmani,
>> I have nothing.

905
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,120
» Mr. Burus?
>> No, ma'am. Thank you.

906
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:51,840
» All right. Mr. Wish Kodak.
>> Nothing else. Thank you, Mayor.

907
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:53,120
» Okay, roll call.
>> Craig,

908
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:54,159
» yes.
>> Mick,

909
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:55,280
» yes.
>> Danny,

910
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,560
» yes.
>> Larry,

911
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:57,440
» yes.
>> Mike,

912
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,800
» yes.
>> And Tim,

913
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:01,920
» yes.
>> All right, we'll move on to F, a

914
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:05,679
discussion approval of a proposed
resolution allowing the fire department

915
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:11,840
to rearrange funds for the purchase of
tools and equip equipment. Mr. Montes.

916
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:18,080
» Yes, ma'am. I was brought this uh to my
attention by the uh fire chief, Chief

917
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:23,120
Krug. Um they are looking to outfit a
truck with updated equipment and in lie

918
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:28,400
of purchasing that John Deere uh
lawnmower, they're wanting to repurpose

919
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:37,120
those funds uh in the budget to purchase
those. um he had broughten by two

920
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:42,800
estimates um that were provided in a u
Excel spreadsheet to us um kind of broke

921
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:47,840
breaking them down to you know uh which
company came up with each amount one was

922
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:54,960
I think 22,700
the other one was 20,700

923
01:25:50,880 --> 01:26:00,400
um so we're underneath that 25,000
uh that was

924
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:05,760
um allocated ated for that John Deere.
Um, so I brought this to council to get

925
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:09,280
the approval on that. Um, I'll make a
motion so we can get to discussion.

926
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:14,800
» Second.
>> Roll call. Oh, I'm sorry.

927
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:18,880
» Not roll call.
>> All right. Um,

928
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:24,239
» Mr. Par.
>> Yes, mayor. We have uh the chief here

929
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:28,880
and uh since we don't have committees
yet and we don't have um anyone

930
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:32,400
» someone wants to hear from the chief,
you need a motion and a second and a

931
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:38,159
roll call vote to let them chief talk.
>> I move that we uh let the chief uh make

932
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:41,760
us all that much smarter.
>> I second.

933
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:43,760
» Roll call.
>> Tim,

934
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,960
» yes.
>> Mike,

935
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,920
» yes.
>> Larry,

936
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,880
» yes.
>> Danny,

937
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:54,080
» yes. Mick.
>> Yes. Although I think I can read but go

938
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:58,159
ahead chief.
>> I just want to

939
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:01,840
» Yes.
>> I just want to clarify that the amount

940
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:07,440
on there was the just want to make sure
I understood what Mr. Montes was saying,

941
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:13,440
but the amount is the 25 [snorts] 63673
I believe. So, and it is more than the

942
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:18,080
price of the mower. So, we will adjust
the budget accordingly.

943
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:21,600
» All right. We'll start discussion. We'll
start with Mr. Wagner.

944
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,760
» No comment.
>> Hey, Mr. Graves.

945
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,920
» Nothing to add.
>> Mr. Montes?

946
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,600
» No, ma'am.
>> Mr. Artmani?

947
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,080
» Nothing.
>> Mr. Burus?

948
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,040
» No, ma'am. Thank you.
>> Mr. Rush Koak.

949
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:36,400
» Thank you, Chief, for uh the details you
provided us here. I appreciate it.

950
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:39,199
» All right. Instead of going a second
round, can we go ahead and roll call?

951
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,080
» Hi.
>> Please.

952
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,600
» All right. Roll call.
>> Barry?

953
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,199
» Yes.
>> Danny?

954
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,880
» Yes.
>> Tim? Yes,

955
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,639
» Mike.
>> Yes,

956
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:49,679
» Mick.
>> Yes,

957
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,400
» Craig.
>> Yes.

958
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:55,760
» All right, moving on to G. A discussion
and approval of a resolution adopting

959
01:27:54,000 --> 01:28:00,080
the city of Tony Town's organizational
chart. Mr. Wagner.

960
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:06,000
» Uh, I think this is probably pretty
self-explanatory, but over the past few

961
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:10,880
months, um, several department heads
have been defined clearly now. And so

962
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:17,040
this is a
revision of the existing organization

963
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:23,040
chart to true up to what actually is now
uh, in ordinance form. With that, uh, I

964
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:26,560
pray for a favorable vote and make a
motion that this passes. Do I have a

965
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,840
second?
>> Second.

966
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,840
» All right. Discussion. Mr. Wagner?
>> None.

967
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,159
» Mr. Graves?
>> None.

968
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:38,719
» Mr. Montes.
>> Um, I just think this was laid out

969
01:28:36,639 --> 01:28:44,639
pretty well. Um, I'm interested to hear
if anybody on else council thinks it u

970
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:47,520
could be drafted in any other way, but
it looks pretty good to me. I yield the

971
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:51,520
rest of my time.
>> Mr. Artmani.

972
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:54,560
» I don't have anything.
>> Mr. Burus.

973
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:57,840
» Uh, no, ma'am. Thank you,
>> Mr. Wish Kyak.

974
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:05,600
» Uh, just thank you for the detailed
exhibit A. Uh, very thorough. Um, it's u

975
01:29:02,639 --> 01:29:09,920
good to see that. Thank you.
>> Everybody. Okay, moving on.

976
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,159
Roll call
>> question.

977
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:13,520
» Tim,
>> yes.

978
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,040
» Mike,
>> yes.

979
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:16,400
» Larry,
>> yes.

980
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,600
» Danny,
>> yes.

981
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,880
» Nick,
>> yes.

982
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:21,199
» Craig,
>> yes.

983
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:24,639
» All right, we'll move on to H. A
discussion regarding the Tinytown

984
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:32,159
Community Foundation. Mr. Montes.
>> Yes, ma'am. Uh we discussed this uh last

985
01:29:27,679 --> 01:29:38,560
meeting um talking about the Tony Town
uh historic historical museum over here

986
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:45,120
and I had brought up a question asking
about the Tonytown Foundation um and

987
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:48,960
whether those funds were um a part of
that reserve fund and all the fundings

988
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:52,320
that was in there or if this is a
separate thing. Um, so I thought we

989
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:59,840
could have a little discussion on that
and see if we could clear that up. um

990
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:08,400
and find out um just where we're at with
the Tony Town Foundation and um I mean

991
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:14,400
where those funds are um documented as
far as whether or not they're in our um

992
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:21,497
reporting that we get from the clerk
treasur and uh where we're at on that

993
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:25,679
that uh entity.
[clears throat]

994
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:29,920
» Mr. Um, Ferrar, did you want do you have
anything that you would like to speak to

995
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:34,159
about?
>> Well, um, I'm the city attorney, so I'm

996
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:39,760
here for legal advice. If I'm being
called to ask factual questions, someone

997
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:43,120
may, but right now there's no pending
question to me.

998
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:47,520
What would you like?
>> I didn't know if you wanted to go over,

999
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:51,280
you know, what you had uh what you with
at this at this [clears throat] point.

1000
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:56,080
» Okay. Yeah. I mean I wasn't here um from
a from a you know factual perspective I

1001
01:30:54,080 --> 01:31:01,600
don't know what occurred I have been
asked to sort of look into corporate

1002
01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:07,679
documents that were constructed um by
the city what I found is that um there

1003
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:12,880
is a separate legal organization the
Tinytown Community Foundation um and

1004
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:18,480
that has been incorporated by the city
um um I mean I don't know what you want

1005
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:22,960
me to speak to this is there's a very
dense history here and I wasn't here for

1006
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:27,440
it. But um there is a community
foundation. It is a separate

1007
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:32,719
organization. Doesn't have um really any
co-mingling or interlock interlocking

1008
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:38,159
sort of um overlap between the city and
its board as far as I can tell. Um there

1009
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:43,600
are no documents in place that require
the community foundation to give money

1010
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:47,280
to the city. Um so there's a lot of
legal corrections that need to be done

1011
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:51,120
with this. Um again, I can't speak
historically. really wasn't here, but um

1012
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:55,600
there's some things to fix with this.
>> Okay. Well, I can just tell you we we

1013
01:31:53,120 --> 01:32:02,239
wanted to come up with a a a community
foundation and um of course I we had no

1014
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:07,040
idea how to do it correctly. So, we went
to um Harrington Miller and asked them

1015
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:10,880
to help us get a 501c3 and a community
uh foundation started and we went

1016
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:15,679
exactly by what the attorney told us to
do and that's where we're at now.

1017
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:17,520
» Uh is this discussion time?
>> Yes, sir. I'll go ahead and start with

1018
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:23,360
Mr. Wagner,
>> are we going? Okay, thank you. Yogi Bear

1019
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:27,280
once said deja vu all over again. Uh,
previously I provided the council with a

1020
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:32,719
detailed position paper concerning the
Tiny Town Community Foundation aka TCF.

1021
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:38,560
Tonight I will identify the central
facts and newly produced records. First,

1022
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:42,719
this is not an attack on the foundation,
its mission, or the citizens who

1023
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:48,560
volunteered their time. a privately
funded founding foundation benefiting

1024
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:52,960
county may be worthwhile. My concern is
how this organization was concerned and

1025
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:56,800
how public resources were used. The
available record shows that Mark Laam

1026
01:32:55,120 --> 01:33:01,760
and Mayor Russell discussed forming a
5013C for city related projects and the

1027
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:05,760
mayor agreed to proceed. It also
indicates that only two aldermen

1028
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:10,159
particip participated in some
discussions or meetings while the other

1029
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:14,560
four aldermen were not involved. Mr.
Leam acknowledges that a complete

1030
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:21,679
council was never fully informed or
formally authorized the sign the

1031
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:27,840
expenditures to form TCF. Yet the
project proceeded without any identified

1032
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:32,000
full public presentation to the council
explaining its structure, private

1033
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:36,800
control, use of city resources or
expected benefits before the city funds

1034
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:41,679
were spent. The city retained attorneys,
prepared the organization, and taxexempt

1035
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:46,320
documentation, but the corporation was
not placed under the city control. A

1036
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:50,239
private board controls it. The city
apparently cannot appoint directors,

1037
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:55,440
control accounts or expenditures, amend
bylaws, or automatically receive any

1038
01:33:52,400 --> 01:34:02,639
assets. Newly produced records now put a
much sharper point on the funding issue.

1039
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:08,400
October uh November 8, 2023 before
incorporation and formation expenses

1040
01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:13,199
occurred, city attorney Justy Ikeman
introduced Mr. Leighton to his firm's

1041
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:17,920
tax attorney and advised him directly.
The foundation would have to be

1042
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:26,000
established with private, not city
funds. Nevertheless, July 29, 2024, TCF

1043
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:30,239
received and forwarded by email to Mr.
them two bills for the si from the

1044
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:34,639
city's law firm, Mr. Aman's firm,
totaling $1370,

1045
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:38,800
and asked in that email, what do we do
with these? Records do not show who

1046
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:44,320
authorized the city payments. The
invoices were built to CCF, not the

1047
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:50,320
city, yet the city paid for these TCF
bills. On August 13, 2026,

1048
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:55,040
city attorney Ferrar explained that
constitutional concerns extend beyond

1049
01:34:52,400 --> 01:35:00,239
money to personal, property, and other
resources. The city supplied staff,

1050
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:04,880
time, email, city hall, and retain
councils with while the corporation

1051
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:10,400
remained privately controlled. The
city's receipt journal now add another

1052
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:18,639
important fact. From January of 2024
through late August of 26, over 9,113

1053
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:23,760
receipt lines which include 60 entries
coded as donations or return uh

1054
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:29,120
reimbursements. However, not one entry
identifies a receipt from TCF. The

1055
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:33,920
city's books therefore show zero dollars
received from TCF, not for the parks,

1056
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:39,199
not for the museum or any other city
department of fund. Mr. Ikeman says the

1057
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:44,080
city should not have happened in its
billing and they say they're going to

1058
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:49,840
reimburse it. Well, whoopla, but that
repays only the hard dollar expense. It

1059
01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:54,159
does not calculate or repay the city for
staff time, city hall, or administrative

1060
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:58,159
handling. The record identifies no
method of calculating and recovering

1061
01:35:56,239 --> 01:36:04,239
those costs. The taxpayers therefore
have not been shown to be made whole.

1062
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:08,560
So, this is not merely about $1370. is
about the chain of government authority.

1063
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:13,600
I am not asking the council tonight to
declare that anyone committed an illegal

1064
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:17,760
exaction or violated law. I'm asking
that we establish facts, determine legal

1065
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:23,360
authority, correct weaknesses in our
controls, p pause further city

1066
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:28,719
promotions or use of city resources for
TCF until the council approves a

1067
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:32,400
transparent structure in public.
Identify these problems is not enough.

1068
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:37,120
The council should give citizens a
clear, accountable way. I recommend a

1069
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:42,000
properly noticed meeting directing the
city attorney and our CPAs to obtain a

1070
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:47,119
written proposal from Arkansas Community
Foundation without committing the city

1071
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:51,520
before action would be reserved for the
council. Proposal should initially

1072
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:55,920
include separate proposals for funds for
the museum and parks and wreck. After

1073
01:36:54,080 --> 01:37:00,080
public review and council approval, the
city's website and official Facebook

1074
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:04,000
page should provide direct donation
leaks for each fund, which provide

1075
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:08,719
donors with receipts and including
details of the donation. Until then,

1076
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:13,360
city communication should not encourage
donations that could cause public to

1077
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:20,639
believe the city owns or controls TFC.
This does not accuse TCF volunteers of

1078
01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:24,719
wrongdoing. It preserves the charitable
goal while separating city government

1079
01:37:22,719 --> 01:37:28,480
from privately controlled corporations
and placing administrations.

1080
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:33,040
Reimbursement for legal bills is
appropriate, but reimbursement is not an

1081
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:36,320
explanation. The city of Tiny Town and
this council are entitled to both

1082
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:40,560
explanations and responsible path
forwards. An appendix is a copy of this

1083
01:37:38,719 --> 01:37:43,280
and anybody can have it that shows a
timeline to support what I've just said.

1084
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:46,080
Thank you.
>> Hey, Mr. Graves.

1085
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:52,080
» Nothing to add.
>> Mr. Fontes. Well, I think we learned

1086
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:57,280
quite a bit from that um
that Mr. Wagner. And I had a little bit

1087
01:37:55,119 --> 01:38:00,960
of questions for uh our attorney over
there, but it seemed like that uh pretty

1088
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:04,400
much cleared it up.
>> Okay.

1089
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:09,119
» Um I mean, essentially
those funds were paid by the city. Yet,

1090
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:13,360
we don't have anything that's ever been
proven to us to show, you know, what

1091
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:18,159
funds are in that account. being that it
is a

1092
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:22,400
a you know a standalone entity. It's
almost essentially equivalent to the the

1093
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:27,119
gentleman that came up here this morning
or earlier today, the Arkansas uh

1094
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:33,440
community foundation. This is almost
like an entity that would be presented

1095
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:40,000
like hers. Um totally separate from the
government here of Tony Town. Um,

1096
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:45,040
so I guess we have no no reason to look
into that, but I'm just puzzled, you

1097
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:49,840
know, to how how does that affect,
you know, I heard we were selling bricks

1098
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:53,840
for the community building over here.
How does that affect

1099
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:58,800
I guess I'm I'm a little murky on how
how do those bricks get placed in th in,

1100
01:38:56,159 --> 01:39:05,440
you know, from those donations
on a tiny town entity that we're

1101
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:11,440
constructing? You know, I get the the
point of that, but the funds are just

1102
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:15,840
comingling and then it just sounds like
based off of what Mr. Ikeman has

1103
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:22,000
presented, we even co-mingled as from
the existence of this. Um, so I'm a

1104
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:28,800
little perplexed on where we're at with
this entity and how it is in regards to

1105
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:32,560
the city of Tony Town.
And I should clarify, I was caught off

1106
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:36,320
guard to c be called to speak to the
entire issue. I'm happy to answer legal

1107
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:40,320
questions. You you seem to pose some
legal questions in there and I'm happy

1108
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:45,600
to take those on. Yes, Mr. Ikeman did
confirm to me an email that the his firm

1109
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:49,360
uh was paid for this and he's confirmed
he's going to remit those payments back.

1110
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:54,320
Yes, we have confirmed city money was
paid. To your sort of broader question,

1111
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:59,040
there is no control. This is a se this
is like creating an LLC with its own

1112
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:02,639
member management class or or
shareholders or whatever. There is no

1113
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:07,520
control whatsoever.
>> It is operating as the Tiny Town

1114
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:11,119
Community Foundation, but it could um
under its charter, under its bylaws, it

1115
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:14,159
could repurpose itself as something
completely different and rename itself

1116
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:20,320
tomorrow and then all the money for
those bricks could be used for whatever

1117
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:24,159
the purpose they see fit legally. M
>> not to suggest that they would do that,

1118
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:28,960
right? But we live in a world where they
could and it's our job to make sure that

1119
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:32,800
we don't let them live in a world where
>> we create things, they raise money on

1120
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:35,280
our behalf and then we have no
accountability.

1121
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:39,920
» So hypothetically speaking, Mr. Ferrar,
if I were to donate to

1122
01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:45,280
would it be possible for me to donate
straight to the city that money for,

1123
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:50,560
you know, say I wanted to bench out here
in the park out here in the park. What

1124
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:53,280
is that a tax deductible donation that I
could present to the city rather than go

1125
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:57,199
through this?
>> I am not a tax attorney and don't

1126
01:40:54,800 --> 01:41:01,679
profess to be, but I my belief is yes.
There is no um requirement there is no

1127
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:08,159
prohibition against giving money to a
municipal uh or municipal government for

1128
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:10,400
tax purposes and and the and the city
can take tax the city can take

1129
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,239
donations.
>> Okay.

1130
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:15,840
» Okay.
In other words, I don't know that we

1131
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:19,119
have checked all the boxes to identify a
foundation has an underlying

1132
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:24,159
» well legal need.
>> Thank you. And to that, you know, I

1133
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:29,040
looked before I brought this to council
to have a discussion on this. I looked

1134
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:33,360
for any kind of ordinance or resolution.
Uh the closest thing I could find was

1135
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:41,440
back in March of 2024.
um and you'll feel free to go watch it.

1136
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:48,159
But in March 19th, 2024 at minute 23 um
and 50 seconds, we had a small smidg

1137
01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:56,880
discussion about um the current status
of this entity and how we had um

1138
01:41:53,199 --> 01:42:03,119
appointed, you know, a president and a
co-president and directors that were on

1139
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:07,679
there. Um, but that's as far as I can
find anything as far as our involvement.

1140
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:13,360
It sounds like we didn't have any
involvement in it. Um,

1141
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:18,080
so I'm I'm kind of, you know, when when
I heard of it last meeting and I asked

1142
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:22,560
that question, we kind of had our
communication. Um, it just kind of left

1143
01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:26,320
me perplexed on where we're at on those
donations, on those funds, and where

1144
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:29,600
we're where they're at and how we use
them. Um, so thank you for letting me

1145
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:33,840
have this discussion and I will yield
the rest of my time.

1146
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:37,760
» Artmani,
>> I'm going to let the smarter people to

1147
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:40,880
my right ask questions as opposed to me
because I'm thoroughly confused.

1148
01:42:39,691 --> 01:42:43,199
[laughter]
>> You yield your time.

1149
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:46,159
» I yield my time,
>> Mr. Burrus.

1150
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:50,880
» Thank you. To answer council member
Montes's um question about tax advantage

1151
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:57,119
donations to municipal governments,
according to the Internal Revenue Code

1152
01:42:52,800 --> 01:43:00,560
170C1, you can indeed give that to a
municipality and get a a tax advantage

1153
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:09,600
for that. It's something called Route
50. Um, uh, in other news regarding all

1154
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:14,960
of this, uh, I'm I'm a little torn on
how to think about all of it because I

1155
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:21,360
think there were
well-intentioned people doing

1156
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:27,360
well-intentioned things for a good
purpose,

1157
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:34,159
and yet um, doing it the wrong way
doesn't necessarily exempt that. And uh

1158
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:38,320
I think my biggest concern in the midst
of all of it and as council we've been

1159
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:42,239
sitting here we've we've heard people
talk about it and it it's always just

1160
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:45,520
sort of been presented like this is what
we're doing. This is how it's going and

1161
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:50,800
I thought okay that's cool that's good.
Um, but I I think uh and and I don't

1162
01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:58,480
mean to pick on on the law firm, but I
think that when we ask our attorneys for

1163
01:43:55,920 --> 01:44:04,080
help that it's incumbent upon the
attorneys to give us the right advice

1164
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:07,280
and I understand that sometimes we're
just doing the best we can and I'm not

1165
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:15,199
that that is not at all aimed at you,
Mr. Ferrar. Um but I do appreciate that

1166
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:20,480
um uh Harrington Miller when they charge
the wrong entity and that has been found

1167
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:24,159
out and uh there they say they will give
that money back to us. I appreciate

1168
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:28,480
that. But I I think just along the line
there have been some things that that

1169
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:32,320
weren't entirely uh correct. Um could
each of us as council members dig in a

1170
01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:37,600
little deeper? Sure. I think we can and
and should. Uh, and yet there are

1171
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:41,600
certain areas where we say, you know
what, we're hiring them to do a thing

1172
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:46,000
and and we expect that. So, um, again,
I'm a little torn. I don't mean to

1173
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:50,800
condemn anybody in particular, and if
there's any condemnation here, I believe

1174
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:55,440
that belongs, uh, to to the legal firm
there, uh, and not those that have been

1175
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:59,679
trying to do their best um, to get this
handled. However, in the midst of all of

1176
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:05,360
it, I do appreciate the digging, the
cajoling, the kicking, uh the pointing

1177
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:08,239
out uh of error. Uh because if we don't
point out what's wrong, we certainly

1178
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:13,119
can't fix it, and we most certainly
can't fix it in the future. So, uh

1179
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:16,880
Forest Gump may have been right uh when
he said you can't fix stupid. And yet,

1180
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,880
uh maybe you can.
>> That was Rod White.

1181
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:22,000
» Oh, my bad.
>> Forest was stupid.

1182
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:28,320
» That's right. Stupid is a stupid does.
Uh we we sometimes put put different

1183
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:32,400
words in there. Uh, and u, and I uh, I
don't in any way want to disparage Yogi

1184
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:37,840
Bear,
>> the lovely Hannah Barber character from

1185
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:41,760
the 1950s, but it was not Yogi Bear who
made that comment. I believe that was

1186
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:46,239
Yogi Barra of the Yankees fame. I could
be wrong. Two of my favorite Yogis. Uh,

1187
01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:50,960
I just want to make sure we get them
right. And that is that is all I have to

1188
01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:54,320
say. [laughter]
>> Mr. Lori,

1189
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:57,920
» thank you, Meg. Uh, thank you for
providing a little bit of levity there,

1190
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:03,199
Mr. Burrus. Um, I just want to
re-emphasize I I'll keep this really

1191
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:08,719
short. U, uh, kind of dug into the three
position papers that uh, Mr. Wagner sent

1192
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:12,560
out and just want to reemphasize. I know
he asked tough questions and sometimes

1193
01:46:10,639 --> 01:46:16,960
comes at uh, at people a little bit
hard, but uh, the bottom line is not

1194
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:21,199
casting aspersions on anybody who's
trying to do this. Um, it may seem that

1195
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:26,000
way, but it's not. We're just trying to
make sure that this thing is tightened

1196
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:29,920
down uh in in a usable fashion. There
there is a world in which these two

1197
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:33,920
foundations, the Arkansas Community
Foundation and Tinytown Community

1198
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:39,760
Foundation can both uh coexist
peacefully together. Uh just pointing

1199
01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:43,600
out some of the weaknesses. Um you know
the questions about municipal authority,

1200
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:50,400
city council authorization, donor
transparency, baking and signatory

1201
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:53,920
controls. Um and uh uh the overall
recommendations from the papers is not

1202
01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:58,480
to shut down the charitable fundraising
but to complete the factual record,

1203
01:46:55,679 --> 01:47:02,000
attain obtain formal legal review and
clarify the city foundation

1204
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:06,320
relationship, protect donor
understanding and establish clear

1205
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:10,080
financial governance controls before the
matter is closed. So and I think those

1206
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:16,159
are the weaknesses that Mr. Ferrar
pointed out u that exist. we can tighten

1207
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:21,600
those up and we can get this uh thing
operational the way it needs to be. Uh a

1208
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:25,760
couple of key points that that showed
some of the weaknesses the foundation

1209
01:47:23,119 --> 01:47:32,159
stated purposes are broad and not
limited exclusively to Tonytown. Um I

1210
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:38,320
think the way the if you can correct me
Mr. Fer if if I misstate something

1211
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:44,719
please do. Um um but
donors could not be um assured that the

1212
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:50,320
funds would be limited to just uh the
city of Tiny Town. They could go

1213
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:55,040
anywhere. Uh the articles uh do not
require the foundation assets to pass to

1214
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:58,000
the city upon its dissolution. Uh that's
something that probably needs to be

1215
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:02,800
rectified.
um

1216
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:06,880
you we could more narrowly define the
purposes of the Tonytown Community

1217
01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:14,239
Foundation and probably tighten it up
and make it stronger. Um and then

1218
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:20,800
an important thing that was brought out
in all three of the papers, donor

1219
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:25,040
clarity matters. Uh the papers make it
recommend making it unmistakable whether

1220
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:28,639
a donation is going to the city, the
foundation, another charitable

1221
01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:32,639
administrator and whether the gift is
restricted. So people when they donate,

1222
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:37,520
they need to know uh that their
donations are going where they want them

1223
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:44,800
to go. U I think that's pretty
important. Uh again, this is not about

1224
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:48,639
who's on the board now. uh none of us
are going to be here in 40 years, but

1225
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:53,000
this foundation may well be here for 40
years. And if we don't set it up right,

1226
01:48:53,840 --> 01:49:02,719
that's the problem. So, I think uh thank
you for bringing these points to us. Uh

1227
01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:07,360
it's I think a fruitful discussion and I
think it warrants further looking into

1228
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:12,400
so that the Tonytown Community
Foundation could be a viable entity.

1229
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:20,000
» Do we get second?
>> Yes, Mr. I yield. Okay. Uh, in contrast

1230
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:26,560
to what Mr. W Koviaak just said, he uses
the term we a lot. We don't have a dog

1231
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:32,000
in the fight. The Tony Town Community
Foundation is an entity that's created.

1232
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:37,280
It was created initially with the funds
of the city, but it's been cast free.

1233
01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:44,800
But for those board members, uh, maybe a
little bit word of advice. I started my

1234
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:49,119
conversations with Mr. Laam because u
I asked most of y'all y'all didn't have

1235
01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:53,840
a clue but I read through some minutes
and the mayor said is our 501c well I

1236
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:57,679
don't know who our is a mouse in her
pocket or the city council but now I

1237
01:49:55,920 --> 01:50:04,000
learned that city council mostly was in
the dark but on May 23 an email u shows

1238
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:10,080
that uh
Mr. Laam contacted Mr. Ikeman Mr.

1239
01:50:07,199 --> 01:50:16,320
Dykeman clearly says that he informed
contrary to what Mr. Burus pointed out

1240
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:22,800
that he instructed this should be a
private funded situation. My previous

1241
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:30,560
email and and dissertation says that I
also asked u in in my due diligence of

1242
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:34,880
this trying to learn what TCF was. I
discovered it was not in current

1243
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:41,679
standings with the Arkansas Secretary of
State which is formed and shows any uh

1244
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:46,719
voluntary 50. I also asked for the
annual form 990s filed and I have an

1245
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:51,119
email from Mr. Leam saying because they
were under 50,000 they didn't have to.

1246
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:56,800
Well, that's not exactly right because
in the IRS standards

1247
01:50:53,920 --> 01:51:05,920
50,000 and under forms what's known as a
990- N. anything over 50 to up 2009 990

1248
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:09,119
EZ. So for those people on the board,
you might be considered this. You won't

1249
01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:15,199
have to be worrying about staying around
four years because if you file or fail

1250
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:19,760
to file your federal tax returns in that
fashion even though you're a nonprofit,

1251
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:23,679
you're required to file those firms. You
do it three years in a row, you lose

1252
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:27,760
your tax exempt status. So it will take
care of itself unless somebody wants to

1253
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:32,480
really get involved and bring it
forward. Now, from the city's benefit,

1254
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:38,719
the way this thing is formed, they can
give anything. They can give to uh I

1255
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:42,400
don't know if PETA is a a qualified uh
charitable donation, but they can give

1256
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:47,040
to anybody they want to. There's no ties
whatsoever. Maybe Mr. Leam was a little

1257
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:50,159
confused when he said he had experience
with this in Holland, Illinois. Review

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of the record showed that Highland,
Illinois has two 5013C's. One is called

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the Community of Highland, Illinois. It
is a broad-based community organization.

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History shows that they contribute to
the city to the to the uh u schools.

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There's a second one that's closely tied
which is for lack of a a correct

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terminology. It's it's regarding youth
sports and that's tied real close to the

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city. This is really
um not even close to either one of

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those. is the way it's structured. I'm
saying we keep using the term we. No, we

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don't have a dog in the fight. Uh we
need to structure how we want to deal

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with our parks, our museums to receive
funding, and we don't have the

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accounting uh staff even though we got
some hired CPAs to keep up with the uh

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documentation of how these funds are
received and documented. Uh we need to

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look at a third party until we get much
bigger and we have a few million or so

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in our pockets in some quasi or some
kind of of uh charitable foundation. I

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yield.
>> Okay. Mr. Graves,

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» I yield my time.
>> Mr. Montes,

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» no comment.
>> Mr. Ottomani,

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» I have nothing.
>> Mr. Fur. Uh, well, first off, Council

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Member Wagner, if I misspoke earlier,
thank you for pointing it out. I'm not

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sure what I misspoke about, but I trust
you. And so, please accept my uh my

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apologies for that. Um, I am um
I agree with you. We do say we a lot. Uh

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I think we do that about a lot of things
here. Um and we and we shouldn't. But,

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uh I also agree with Mr. Koak. Um uh
chances are this council will not be

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seated here in 40 or 50 years from now.
But if we can get this thing working

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right, that that would be good if if
that's necessary. Um, I did have a

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question and and I don't know if anybody
can answer it. But do we even know how

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much is in that foundation currently?
>> Private, so a member might graciously

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tell us now, but I hope they got $1370.
We're gonna have to pay that law firm.

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But, you know, it really would hurt my
feelings if the law firm get stiff or

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something.
>> All right, let's move on. I think uh Mr.

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Fur was about to answer that question.
>> Yes, he was. And

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» I was just going to say what Mr. Wagner
said. We don't know how much is in there

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and we can't compel them to tell us.
>> Hey, Mr. Bur.

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» I will yield the remaining time. Thank
you.

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» Mr. Wish Goyak.

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» If by we, I I don't mean I don't want
the city to try to micromanage this

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thing. I agree with you 110%. We we've
got plenty of things on our plate. I'm

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just more interested in them getting
their wheels lined out for themselves

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and if they want to stay as a
functioning entity yield.

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» Okay, that was the second round. Um I do
want to say a few things. First of all,

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the community foundation was supposed to
be set up to help the city of Tony Town

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and we did go to the attorneys. We did
ask what we needed to do and we did what

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we were told that we needed to do. Um,
and I do think that it would be great

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for Tonnytown to be able to receive
funds and help have a foundation help

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us, but that's here and there. But we'll
move on um to closing comments.

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Mr. Wagner,

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» Mr. Graves,
>> none.

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» Mr. Montes,
>> thanks for coming out tonight. Uh,

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everybody enjoy your evening.
>> Mr. starting.

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» Well, I do appreciate the people that
showed up and uh there was a couple

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comments about stupid and stupid does
and you can't fix stupid, but as I

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recall the movie, Bubba Gump Shrimp
Company did awfully well, so I guess you

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can fix stupid. So, I move on,
>> Mr. Burrus.

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» Thank you, Madam Mayor. I wanted to
thank those that uh that came to the

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Catholic Church St. Joseph's last week.
Uh a week ago tonight, uh ADQ came uh to

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hear public comments uh regarding the um
uh issuance or lack thereof of an air

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permit uh for Waste Management's Eco
Vista landfill. Um unfortunately there

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uh there weren't as many people as as
we've seen there in the past. The upshot

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is the people that did speak spoke
passionately, intelligently. They did a

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great job. Um, unfortunately, I walked
away feeling like ADQ doesn't really

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care much about what we had to say and
that instead it was more uh of them

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going through some motions that they had
to do legally. Um, but at any rate, um,

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I'm I'm thankful for those that did come
to speak and uh, and to share their um,

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their opinions. That is all. Thank you,
>> Mr. Bushko.

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» Thank you, Mayor. U, thank you to Mr.
Ferrar for serving as our

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parliamentarian. Uh, and thank you for
kind of lining our wheels out. Uh, we're

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we're going to get better at this as we
go. Um, I've ran across something in the

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news uh that I figured was um
important to bring out. Northwest

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Arkansas needs $ 1.5 billion in
wastewater investment. So, um, you know,

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with our growth, um, you know, that's
some of the bad news that comes along

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with it. But um anyway, we'll end on a
positive note with that. Thanks to

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everybody for coming out. Uh hopefully
see you in a couple of weeks.

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» Okay, Mr. Parr.
>> I have no comments. Everybody have a

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good night.
>> All right. Same. I hope you guys all

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have a good evening and uh
all in favor of a journ say I.

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» All right.