1 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,960 used to at least till November after 2 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,600 that. 3 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,040 >> Okay. We'd like to welcome you to this 4 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,800 Tilla City Planning Commission meeting 5 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,440 here this Wednesday, March 11th, 2026 at 6 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,840 the hour of 7 p.m. here in City Council 7 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:03,840 Chambers. Uh first item on our agenda 8 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:05,120 tonight is the Pledge of Allegiance. If 9 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,189 you all please rise. 10 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:11,840 I pledge algiance to the flag of the 11 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:14,320 United States of America and to the 12 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,440 republic for which it stands. One nation 13 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,479 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 14 00:05:20,479 --> 00:05:29,510 justice for all. 15 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,039 » Next item on our agenda is our roll 16 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:32,240 call. Commissioner Hammer 17 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:32,560 >> here. 18 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,000 >> Commissioner Sloan here. Commissioner 19 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:34,720 Proctor here. 20 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:35,840 >> Commissioner Cordova here. 21 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:37,280 >> Commissioner Jensen here. Commissioner 22 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:37,759 Anderson 23 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:38,080 >> here. 24 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,120 >> Commissioner Faircloth 25 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:39,840 >> here. 26 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:43,600 >> And we'll please excuse commissioners uh 27 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,280 Frank Lynford 28 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,639 brain farted my please excuse councilman 29 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:52,400 Hansen and Councilman Gosset sitting in 30 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,400 for them. Welcome back Councilman 31 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,560 McCall. Please recognize we got Chief 32 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,120 Day here with us tonight. Miss Young, uh 33 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,600 Miss England, Miss Mr. Agard, and Mr. 34 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,840 Johnson joining us tonight. Uh number 35 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:05,199 three on our agenda tonight is a 36 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:06,639 recommendation on a proposed text 37 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:09,600 amendment to Twilla City Code 7-9-2. 38 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,280 This is a recreational vehicles and 39 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:13,520 recreational vehicle parks regarding the 40 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,360 accommodation of recreational vehicles 41 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,680 and parking lots of nonprofit 501c3 42 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,080 organizations whose purpose is to assist 43 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,319 persons who are unhoused. This one has 44 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:24,960 been tabled from February 25th, 2026 45 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,479 planning commission minutes. 46 00:06:26,479 --> 00:06:28,000 >> Mr. Yeah. 47 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,520 >> So, I don't have a whole lot to say 48 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,360 before turning it over to Chief Day for 49 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,360 his his comments, but just to remind the 50 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,720 planning commission that this is the 51 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,639 third meeting where we've discussed 52 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:38,639 this. At the last meeting, you you 53 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:40,240 tabled the meeting pending additional 54 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,039 information. Uh Chief Day did make some 55 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:45,759 edits to the the proposed ordinance and 56 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:47,759 those edits were included in your in 57 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:50,400 your packet. Uh the city attorney also 58 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,319 made some edits and his were included in 59 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:54,720 the packet as well with his edits being 60 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,440 highlighted in blue. Uh at this point in 61 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,520 time, we're we're ready for a 62 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,759 recommendation one way or the other to 63 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:04,400 get this moving on to city council. And 64 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,000 hopefully these edits will address some 65 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,520 of the concerns and questions the 66 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,440 planning commission had. And I'll turn 67 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,800 it over to Chief Dave if he has anything 68 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,240 he'd like to add to that. 69 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,749 >> Thank you. 70 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:17,680 commissioners. Uh there's a 71 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,120 lot of colors in these changes and uh I 72 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,520 like to point out the two weeks. this is 73 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,000 up for two two weeks is it and uh 74 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,160 Commissioner Lynford called me and we 75 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,039 talked about it and he he has a great 76 00:07:33,039 --> 00:07:35,840 proposal of uh us adding a report 77 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,560 whenever there's a RV um staying 78 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,160 at the facility so we can monitor two 79 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,680 weeks. We don't have to uh 80 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,199 um 81 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:51,120 drive by and hope we can get the two 82 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,199 weeks. They just notify us. And I've 83 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:54,639 talked to the staff there and they're 84 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:56,639 more than willing to do that. They're 85 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:59,039 more than willing to move it to the 86 00:07:59,039 --> 00:08:05,039 back. I did drive back there. There is a parking lot to the north. That is the 87 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:07,039 housing authority. The housing authority 88 00:08:07,039 --> 00:08:10,080 would let them have RVs there that's 89 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,039 more out of the way. In good conscious, 90 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:15,039 I can't recommend that. I didn't add 91 00:08:15,039 --> 00:08:17,840 that because I just I don't want them in 92 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,440 the back. I want them up front where we 93 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,319 can see them. My experience with those 94 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:26,000 camping in RVs or in tents is stuff 95 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,840 starts collecting when you're not seen. 96 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,080 There's no cameras back there either. If 97 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,640 an incident happens, the cameras in 98 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,680 front will capture it. 99 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:38,560 And uh so that there was no changes made 100 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:42,240 to that. Our city attorney added 101 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,959 >> if we monitor these if we have a report 102 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:48,399 too with the RVs, we can monitor the 6 103 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:50,080 months. they can't do it again for 6 104 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,720 months. 105 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,440 Um, that's that's a good way to monitor 106 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,480 that. And I don't see why we would why 107 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,560 would we would keep doing that? We'd be 108 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:02,720 on them pretty hard if they came back. 109 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,480 Why why are we doing this again? Cuz 110 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,320 most of these people want to move on. 111 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,120 The ones living in the RVs from my 112 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,000 experience if but they could have some 113 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,240 reason. and there's only two 114 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,000 recreational vehicles at any given time. 115 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,320 So, if there's any questions you guys 116 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,720 have past that, I think that's most of 117 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,560 the changes we had from last meeting. 118 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:29,680 >> I didn't even think about that 119 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:31,680 perspective. Out of sight, out of mind. 120 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:32,560 Kind of make you a little nervous, 121 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:33,760 right? And you guys going to be able to 122 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:34,240 see it. 123 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,839 >> Didn't hit me until I was driving back 124 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:38,800 there and looking in the back and 125 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,320 >> Yeah. hit me there. 126 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,160 >> Perfect. Well, good. Let's bring this 127 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,839 back to the commission for questions or 128 00:09:43,839 --> 00:09:47,120 comments for Chief Day. 129 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,519 >> So, I do want to just clarify um we're 130 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:52,160 looking at two spaces and not three. 131 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:52,640 >> Correct. 132 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,750 >> Okay. 133 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,200 » Yes, Commissioner SL. 134 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,880 >> Um I don't know if this is a question 135 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,560 for you or for Mr. Johnson, but since 136 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,440 it's in red, I'm gonna ask you. Um when 137 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,240 last we met, the 501c3 reference had 138 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,959 been taken out, and I see it is back. Is 139 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:14,800 that on purpose or did I remember our 140 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,880 last meeting wrong? I think we we kind 141 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,320 of liked not having it there because it 142 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,800 narrowed it even further. 143 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,279 >> I don't see that addition in the latest 144 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:26,240 one I have. 145 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,640 >> Um the one I've got, we actually have 146 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,079 two of the same page here. The one that 147 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:31,440 has blue and the one that doesn't have 148 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,480 blue. Um 149 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,880 so it would be 150 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:46,150 7.9.1 is the page. Uh, it is 7.9.2-7. 151 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,150 Yeah, -7. 152 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,000 » I'm wondering if uh that was the 153 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,880 original one. When I did the packet, I 154 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,640 included the original 155 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,440 >> plus two the two amended versions. So, 156 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,120 you may be seeing the original version 157 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,279 that has the 501c3. 158 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,279 The other two versions do not have it in 159 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:06,079 there. 160 00:11:06,079 --> 00:11:06,880 >> And that's correct. 161 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,360 >> If that's confusing, I apologize. It's it's not now, but I was consume 162 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,040 confused as to why we had the same page 163 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,480 on there twice because it is on there 164 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,480 twice, but one of them or three times, I 165 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,839 should say. One of them does have the 166 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:20,240 51c3. So, as long as as long as that's 167 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,079 not the official one, then I have less 168 00:11:22,079 --> 00:11:23,920 of a concern with it. 169 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,519 >> I did I did see that one earlier, too, 170 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:26,959 but it was specified, but even better, 171 00:11:26,959 --> 00:11:27,839 it doesn't matter. So, 172 00:11:27,839 --> 00:11:28,160 >> thank you. 173 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,959 >> It's been taken out. Perfect. 174 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:33,760 >> I think the one that between after 175 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,360 attorney 176 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,680 Mr. Johnson looked at it and added his 177 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:39,600 thing into with what Chief Day got. I 178 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,440 think we've finally got it. 179 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,839 >> Yeah. I appreciate all the work you guys 180 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:46,880 did and Oh, and if it fits in with what 181 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,519 you guys want out of the thing, I think 182 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:50,800 that I'm good with that, I think. 183 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,200 >> And it surprised me that the staff 184 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,800 there, 185 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,279 they they recommended shorter time frame 186 00:11:57,279 --> 00:12:01,519 they for that. And I did see some calls 187 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:03,519 they had made to us when people were 188 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,200 living in cars in the front there and 189 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,600 they were having us remove them. So, we 190 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,160 seem to be on the same page. 191 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,040 >> And that was a concern that I had um 192 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,880 knowing that this is an emergency 193 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,360 shelter and not a transitional shelter 194 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,040 time frame of what we would be looking 195 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,079 at. So 196 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:24,160 >> do 197 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,920 >> going back to the screening because I 198 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,760 don't see where that's covered here. And 199 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,360 if we're not going to have them in the 200 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,279 back and we want them up front, do the 201 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:32,720 neighbors across the street want to be 202 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,279 looking at that across up front? So is 203 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,240 that still an issue or or not? I think 204 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,000 it is. Um, and then Commissioner Hammer 205 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,160 brought up that a question regarding 206 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,440 license and insured insurance on these 207 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,959 RVs. Is are we not going to enforce that 208 00:12:54,959 --> 00:12:56,959 as well? 209 00:12:56,959 --> 00:12:59,760 >> No, we're not going to enforce licensing 210 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,279 and registration on private property. We 211 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:05,120 did just change code. Well, we will 212 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,680 enforce that on uh on public 213 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,240 rideaways and school property and city 214 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,240 property, but private we don't enforce 215 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,639 that. It's a it's a very good question. 216 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:19,839 Um when they do get going, 217 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:21,120 are they uninsured? Are they 218 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,040 unregistered? That's something to deal 219 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,680 with when they leave. 220 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:29,200 But, uh if they're repairing it, I don't 221 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,360 we don't have a means to site them for 222 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,680 that. So, I didn't want to enforce it. 223 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:37,360 Screening may still be a problem, but I 224 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,120 don't want them screened. If we're going 225 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,240 to go forward with this, I prefer them 226 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:48,800 not hidden, not screened. And if that stops the recommendation, I'm I'm 227 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,600 good with that, too. 228 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,600 >> I feel like we've cut it I've cut it 229 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,519 down to two weeks. I think screening is 230 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:58,079 probably a little bit less important in 231 00:13:58,079 --> 00:14:01,519 my mind because a couple weeks is not 232 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:02,160 too long. 233 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,360 >> Yeah. And then 234 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,839 back to rodents, because if if they have 235 00:14:07,839 --> 00:14:09,600 pets, they're going to have food dishes 236 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,199 out. 237 00:14:11,199 --> 00:14:14,160 Um, is that not going to be covered here 238 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,720 or we're going to be okay with the 239 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,000 accumulation of rodents or or the 240 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,760 attraction of I should say? 241 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,240 >> I think it I think we can enforce that 242 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:28,160 with uh with code if they let garbage or 243 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,600 refuge, you know. Um Okay. 244 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,839 Yeah, I've seen rodents in vehicles that 245 00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:35,680 are kept there for some time, but I'm 246 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,360 hoping the two weeks would limit that 247 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,160 also. 248 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,670 >> Okay, 249 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,760 » great question. It's great discussion. 250 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,440 >> I don't see that you've asked for a new 251 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,880 recorder anywhere. 252 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,230 >> Yeah. 253 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,880 » I put that in my budget request. He's 254 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,839 waiting for that next week. 255 00:14:55,839 --> 00:15:01,269 >> I left with my head down. 256 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:03,519 Perfect. Any other further questions, 257 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:08,949 comments from the commission? 258 00:15:08,959 --> 00:15:09,680 » All right. 259 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:10,720 >> You ready for a motion, sir? 260 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,079 >> I think we're ready. We'll entertain a 261 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:12,880 motion on this item. 262 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,480 >> Chief, I appreciate all your work on 263 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,199 this. I know it's certainly not a labor 264 00:15:17,199 --> 00:15:18,720 of love, but it's a labor of love for 265 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,959 your community and so thank you for 266 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:23,120 that. And also, thanks the housing 267 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,760 authority and thanks for switch for for 268 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,000 being so cooperative, too. So that said, 269 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,519 I would move that we forward positive 270 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:31,199 recommendation to the city council for 271 00:15:31,199 --> 00:15:33,040 recreational vehicles location and use 272 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,120 amendment. The request by Tula City for 273 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,880 the purpose of amending Tula City code 274 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,560 7-9-2 275 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,240 recreational vehicles and recreational 276 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,320 vehicle parks to limit the use of 277 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,320 recreational vehicles for temporary 278 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,800 housing associate only. I'm taking that 279 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,240 part out for temporary housing. 280 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,000 >> We got a positive recommendation from 281 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,360 Commissioner Sloan. Do I have a second? 282 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,320 >> I'll second that. 283 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:54,880 >> I got two, 284 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,000 >> Mr. Chairman. I want to make sure that 285 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,759 it's clear. My motion does not include 286 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:00,480 the last line of the the motion 287 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,959 requiring nonprofit 510 C3 288 00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:05,120 organizations. Perfect. Positive 289 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,440 recommendation from Commissioner Sloan removing the 5013C3 290 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,600 aspect of it. Are you still okay with 291 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,199 that? Second, Commissioner Cordova? 292 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:13,839 >> Yes, I am. 293 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:16,079 >> Okay. Thank you. Uh any other discussion 294 00:16:16,079 --> 00:16:17,920 before we take this to a vote? 295 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,920 >> Actually, are we going to require them 296 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,839 to submit a report to 297 00:16:23,839 --> 00:16:26,079 >> to the police? 298 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:27,519 Okay, we want to include that in 299 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:29,120 thatation or 300 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,720 >> give me some verbage or make a friendly 301 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,110 amendment to the motion. 302 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,680 » How often of how often a submission are 303 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:38,639 we talking about? Every time somebody 304 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:39,519 checks in 305 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:41,040 >> anytime there's a new 306 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,880 >> I would include that with my motion. 307 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,120 >> Okay. And also to include on that motion 308 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,759 that they must file the report with the 309 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:49,360 is it with you guys yourselves and 310 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:50,720 that'll be switch point filing the 311 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:51,360 report. 312 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:51,680 >> Yes. 313 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:52,800 >> Okay. 314 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,199 >> Yeah. And we could put the my most 315 00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:57,839 important item is getting the VIN of the 316 00:16:57,839 --> 00:17:00,480 RV into our system so we can show that 317 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,560 it's been there for the six months 318 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,720 besides the two weeks and uh they're 319 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,360 willing to give that information to us. 320 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:08,559 >> Perfect. And you're okay. 321 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:10,079 >> So, are you good with that back there in 322 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:11,600 charge of the minutes? 323 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,600 >> Okay. 324 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,839 We've confused you enough. 325 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:17,199 >> She's dealt with me long enough. She 326 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:19,199 should be used to it by now. 327 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:20,720 >> You guys have refined this. So, I want 328 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,600 to thank you for uh making this a lot 329 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,520 better than when I first started with 330 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,600 it. So, I appreciate I appreciate all of 331 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:27,839 it. 332 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:29,760 >> Perfect. We all work together on this. 333 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,280 >> Commissioner Cordova, you're you're good 334 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:32,240 with that second still. 335 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,120 >> Still good with that. 336 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,120 >> Perfect. Okay, we'll take this item to a 337 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:36,559 vote. Commissioner Hammer, 338 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:37,039 >> I. 339 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:37,760 >> Commissioner Sloan, 340 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:38,000 >> hi. 341 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,880 >> Commissioner Proctor, 342 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:39,120 >> I. 343 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:40,160 >> Commissioner Cordova, 344 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:40,400 >> I. 345 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,200 >> Commissioner Jensen, 346 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:41,520 >> hi. 347 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,400 >> Commissioner Anderson, 348 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:42,720 >> hi. 349 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,960 >> I am Chairman Hamilton. I also vote I. 350 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,600 That one passes seven to zero. Good job 351 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,840 on that one. Nice work, guys. Uh this 352 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,520 moves us on to number four on our agenda 353 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,280 tonight. This is a public hearing and a 354 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,200 decision. This is a conditional use 355 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,120 permit request by Suzanne Jameson 356 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,799 representing Borite Enterprise to 357 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:01,039 authorize the use of automobile sales 358 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:03,039 and rental to occur at the property 359 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:05,840 located at 397 North Main Street in the 360 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,400 GC General Commercial Zoning District on 361 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,919 26 acres. Miss Angling. 362 00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:14,880 >> Yes, this is um on the southwest corner 363 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,360 of Main Street and 400 North. Um it is 364 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:23,440 the byite enterprise um that is planning 365 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,480 on having the second location there. 366 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,440 Their first location is um located right 367 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,400 by city hall um where they've been for 368 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,880 about 5 years now. 369 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,039 Um this existing commercial property 370 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:41,679 um it has been used for various 371 00:18:41,679 --> 00:18:44,640 commercial activities. The last one is 372 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,440 an autoglass repair for repair sales and 373 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,960 it's been vacant since then. Um 374 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,440 the property is considered a legal 375 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,960 non-conforming 376 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,679 um property because it doesn't meet 377 00:18:59,679 --> 00:19:02,880 things such as setbacks, parking, 378 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,280 landscaping drive approach, that type of 379 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,120 thing. But Tila City code 73 allows it 380 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:11,679 to continue to exist and operate as 381 00:19:11,679 --> 00:19:15,280 legal non-conforming. Um, as long as 382 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,039 there aren't any changes to the 383 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:21,840 structure or site. Um, the conditions of 384 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,520 there are going to be a few conditions 385 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,919 of approval and I'll go over those. The 386 00:19:25,919 --> 00:19:28,080 first would be sight lighting because 387 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,039 there are even though it's surrounded by 388 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:34,799 a general commercial zone, there are um 389 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:38,640 residential neighbors right beside it. 390 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,200 And so we want to just verify and make 391 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,640 sure that any of the lighting stays on 392 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,080 the property and does not shine on any 393 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,840 of the neighboring residential 394 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,440 properties. Um so that is one condition 395 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,919 of approval that we as staff are 396 00:19:55,919 --> 00:20:00,080 recommending. The next one would be that 397 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,480 um we make sure 398 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,400 that anything like car detailing or car 399 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,240 washing or you know um any kind of auto 400 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,360 repair would be something that is 401 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,160 ancillary like just you know changing 402 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,880 out light bulbs or just maybe an 403 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,760 interior detail vacuuming out the 404 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,600 vehicles that type of thing. um 405 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,640 unless they get, you know, the the 406 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,159 proper requirements for um water rights 407 00:20:32,159 --> 00:20:34,799 and that type of thing um for the 408 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:38,960 increases in water use. Um so another 409 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,960 condition of approval would be the 410 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,120 property is not going to be considered 411 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:45,679 for an auto repair shop or car wash at 412 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:47,120 this time and that's not what we're 413 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:49,919 approving. and in the future they would 414 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:52,400 need to get all of those requirements 415 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,120 met if they do add that to to the um 416 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,760 use. Um and then 417 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,720 the the third condition of approval that 418 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,880 we'd like to recommend is that uh they 419 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,760 keep the one accessible um wheelchair 420 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,720 accessible stall that is existing on the 421 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,760 site. So, it's just right off of Main 422 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,120 Street and that they have a league step 423 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:24,559 at the very minimum um three uh off or 424 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:27,200 off streetet parking spaces for the 425 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,720 customers that come there that are in a 426 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,799 convenient area on the property. 427 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:38,720 So, just here's another view side image 428 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,760 of it. There's the bay doors where they 429 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,720 would probably do some of the um auto 430 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,799 detailing and and that type of thing. Um 431 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:54,159 again, here's another view. Uh and so 432 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:56,880 just um to go over the conditions of 433 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,960 approval. All new site lighting 434 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,720 installed on the building shall be 435 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,520 cabinetry are be designed to direct the 436 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,080 light down and onto the site. The 437 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,559 vehicle bays shall not be covered uh 438 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:10,640 converted to vehicle wash bays without 439 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,919 full approvals from the Tilla city and 440 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:17,120 dedication of additional rider rights to 441 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,240 satisfy the requirements of a car wash. 442 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,320 And the applicant shall provide and 443 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,720 maintain three designated customer 444 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,600 parking stalls, including one accessible 445 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,440 parking stall on the east side of the 446 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,480 building in close proximity to the main 447 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,520 building entrance. 448 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,360 So, 449 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:38,640 >> we'll bring this back to the commission 450 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:46,710 for questions or comments for staff. 451 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,080 » We got a public hearing. We'll let you 452 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,549 guys up here in a minute. 453 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:53,840 » Commissioner Hammer's thinking. 454 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:54,320 >> I'm okay. 455 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,440 >> We'll give you a minute. 456 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,559 >> Yeah. Thanks. 457 00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:58,960 >> Anybody else? 458 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,159 >> Perfect. We'll give you guys a minute. 459 00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:01,679 We'll come back to you. All right. This 460 00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:03,840 item does require a public hearing. Uh 461 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,200 we will go ahead and open the public 462 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,480 hearing now. If you go ahead and 463 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,000 approach the podium, write your name for 464 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,280 the record, state your name for the 465 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:18,950 record. 466 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,840 Uh my name is Lorine Mascarangius. I 467 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,960 live um directly west of the building. 468 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,320 Um so my question I have a couple of 469 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,360 questions actually. Um, with the 470 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,520 lighting, I understand they're supposed 471 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,919 to be I read the thing and it's supposed 472 00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:38,000 to be facing to the property and then 473 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,080 they're they can have some surrounding 474 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,640 perimeter also facing towards the 475 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,320 building. 476 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,080 Um, will those be on timers because I 477 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,559 have four bedrooms on that side of my 478 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,159 house. 479 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:54,559 So, that lighting is going to directly 480 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:59,520 be affecting the bedrooms. Um, so I'm 481 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,480 wondering if there are going to be 482 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,760 timers on those lighting and how how how 483 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,919 bright is that lighting going to be. Um, 484 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:09,600 also 485 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,840 the area around I've had issues with um 486 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,919 the grassy areas. I don't know if 487 00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:17,279 they're going to continue to have that 488 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:20,720 grass area. Um, is it going to be 489 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,200 maintained as grass or is it going to be 490 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,520 continued as weeds? I've had to always 491 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,760 call the um the zoning commission to get 492 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,880 them to not these guys but to get that 493 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,720 cleaned up especially for the 4th of 494 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,520 July because those weeds get tall that 495 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,320 they just let it's dead. It's just dead. 496 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,240 And then I I'm always concerned about 497 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,840 the fireworks and everything because 498 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,919 people light off fireworks aerials and 499 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:48,960 everything. So that's my other concern 500 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,840 is that area that grassy area there if 501 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,799 that's going to be maintained as grass 502 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:01,600 or will they be taking the grass out 503 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,679 and it will be part of their cleaning 504 00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:07,360 area for their vehicles or 505 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,440 um I think that's I think that was just 506 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,880 my two main concerns about the thing. 507 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,240 >> Okay. Thank you, Miss Mascar. 508 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,039 >> Thank you. 509 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,360 Miss Masanus, will you sign the roster 510 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:23,190 room up here? 511 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:33,590 » Thank you. I appreciate that. 512 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,799 » May I approach? 513 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:36,080 >> Absolutely. Come on up. 514 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,039 >> My name is Wanita Talis. I live at 391 515 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:42,880 North Main. So, right behind it. Um, 516 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,000 since we have since our parking is so 517 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,159 close next to the building and there's a 518 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,240 bus stop right in front of it, that is 519 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,279 my only worry about access with other 520 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,679 people going in and coming out and 521 00:25:57,679 --> 00:25:59,440 parking right there. So, we don't have 522 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,960 any accidents on hitting another vehicle 523 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,400 or hitting a pedestrian. Um, those are 524 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,880 my only worries. It just they've already 525 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,760 asked me if they can use my parking and 526 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:17,200 I my driveway and I told them no because 527 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,559 you know anyway that's that's all I have 528 00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:23,200 to say. That's my worries about what 529 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,640 could and or can happen. That's all. 530 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:53,029 >> Thank you Miss 531 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,000 Uh, my name is Kip Mner 532 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,760 and I own the two uh houses just 533 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,520 uh north 534 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,880 on on 400. And I'm worried about all the 535 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,400 parking. 536 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,640 If there's no place to park in their 537 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,159 lots, 538 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:11,760 they're going to park on the streets 539 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,520 front of our house. There's not enough 540 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,200 room to even drive down there. We can't 541 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,159 get out of our driveways. 542 00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:23,510 So, that's my biggest concern. 543 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,350 Um, 544 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,000 we went through this several years ago 545 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,520 with uh Tetanaglass 546 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,600 and they were limited to the number of 547 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,720 cars they could put on the lot 548 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520 back in the day that they were there, 549 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,080 which they, 550 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,240 you know, they did do that. They allowed 551 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,080 him 10 cars, I think, on the whole lot 552 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,200 or eight cars. I can't remember. But 553 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,360 I'm worried about the traffic. That's 554 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:56,720 what I'm worried about. Can't even get 555 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,720 out of our driveways 556 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,840 certain hours of the day. 557 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,480 So, 558 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,799 I guess that's about it. I don't know. 559 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,360 >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 560 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,440 >> What do you people feel about it? 561 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,880 >> You'll hear here in a minute. 562 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,039 >> You guys are the planners, huh? Mhm. 563 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:16,320 Well, we're not the planners. We're just 564 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,279 the planning commission. 565 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,279 >> Oh, yeah. The planner sitting behind 566 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:49,190 you. 567 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,279 Uh, hi. My name's Cameron Shemake. I 568 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,000 live in the same house as Wanita Talis. 569 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,320 Um, my only concerns would be the 570 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,399 parking and the lighting. Um, the reason 571 00:28:58,399 --> 00:28:59,760 for the parking is because my 572 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,080 grandfather's elderly and we and he has 573 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,919 um therapists coming to the house on a daily basis to come help give him 574 00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:07,600 care and help him do his physical 575 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,520 therapy and stuff. So, we need to have 576 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,440 at least one space open, and we already 577 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,159 have three cars there. And my next big 578 00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:16,320 concern is that 579 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,559 um my grandpa's bedroom would face 580 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,159 towards where they're going to have the 581 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:22,399 main lighting. And so, we want to make 582 00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,080 sure that lighting isn't going into our 583 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,760 rooms cuz that way we won't put cuz that 584 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,679 way we can sleep. Other than that, 585 00:29:27,679 --> 00:29:30,240 that's all I'm really concerned about. 586 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,440 >> What was your last name? 587 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,080 >> Sheck. 588 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:56,389 >> Thank you, Mr. Sheam. 589 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,960 My name is Karen Mner and I live the 590 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,559 same place as Kip and we have the two 591 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,679 houses on the north side of 400 North. 592 00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:06,640 Um, I'd like to know about the hours of 593 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,279 operation. Um, the days they're going to 594 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:13,120 be open, how late, how early, 595 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,960 um, 596 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,799 and basically how many cars are they 597 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,320 going to be allowed because if they're 598 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,559 selling cars and there's not enough 599 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:21,679 parking, they're going to be parking 600 00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:24,880 them on the street, which allows us not 601 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,720 to be able to get out of our house. So, 602 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,760 those are the couple questions I have. 603 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:51,269 >> Thank you, Miss Miner. 604 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,039 Okay, seeing no one else approach, I'll 605 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:54,480 go ahead and close the public hearing. 606 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,679 We'll bring it back to the commission 607 00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:58,399 and staff. Um, I don't know how we want 608 00:30:58,399 --> 00:30:59,679 to answer some of those questions. Miss 609 00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:01,039 England, 610 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,600 >> I'm not sure if the applicant is here or 611 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,679 not tonight answer questions. 612 00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:09,840 Okay. 613 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,279 >> Yeah. if you want to uh I I can answer 614 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:14,640 questions if you'd like. 615 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,320 >> As many as you can, that'd be great. 616 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,430 >> Sure. 617 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,240 » So, I know we we've required um down 618 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,240 lighting and uh of course keeping it 619 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,039 away from the uh the houses, of course. 620 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:28,720 What other things could we require on 621 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,520 that? 622 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,039 >> So, we could also do like a timer that 623 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:35,679 they're only on during business hours 624 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:39,919 or, you know, like a an hour after dark. 625 00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:42,880 so that they aren't on all night. There 626 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,120 are other things that we can also do to 627 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,039 mitigate the um intrusiveness of the 628 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,320 lights, like we could soften it, like uh 629 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,200 limiting the Celvin to like 3,000 or 630 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,720 something along those lines, so it's 631 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,480 more of a warmer light than a cool 632 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,000 light. Um and it's not quite as bright. 633 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,760 Um, so that would be more like we could 634 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,880 say if you could put in lighting that 635 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,000 meets more of the dark sky requirements. 636 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,799 Um, we could we could add those those 637 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:18,240 type of conditions to the approval. 638 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,159 Um, as far as the safety concerns, 639 00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:24,960 I can see where they do have those 640 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,760 concerns, but those are existing 641 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,360 non-conforming 642 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,039 with and our ordinance does allow this 643 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,279 type of use, the commercial use to 644 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,840 continue at this location. even with 645 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,200 those non-conforming um situations 646 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,039 there. 647 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,360 The only thing I could say is require 648 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,399 them to add signage maybe um uh to to 649 00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:52,320 tell them that they cannot block the 650 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,279 neighboring uh driveways or you know 651 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,000 something along those lines. 652 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,600 Um 653 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,080 and then as far as like any of the weeds 654 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,919 are concerned, 655 00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:05,679 uh that would just be something that we 656 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:08,240 would have to rely on code enforcement 657 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,840 still. That's um because that is towards 658 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,559 the back. That's not at the front of the 659 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:18,159 building. We can't really like 660 00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:21,840 uh require them to to do landscaping and 661 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,840 that type of thing there. some. 662 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,200 >> But having a tenant there will 663 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,559 definitely help the 664 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:27,200 >> I'm sorry. 665 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,559 >> Having a tenant there will definitely 666 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:29,600 help the 667 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:29,919 >> Yeah, 668 00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:31,120 >> the upkeep of it. 669 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,440 >> It would definitely and there would be 670 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,799 somebody that 671 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,960 >> could um easily fix it if there are any 672 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,600 code enforcement requirements or issues. 673 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,399 So 674 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:49,360 >> on on your photos, you had a picture uh 675 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,559 on 400 North looking in there 676 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:53,600 >> like right here. 677 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,679 >> No, from 400 North the last one you're 678 00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:57,600 at. I was just wondering if there was a 679 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,320 fence but which you can't see from the 680 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,760 >> So there are there is some steel fencing 681 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,790 but um it is not opaque. 682 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,440 you know, there could be a a potential 683 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,639 that you can require them to have opaque 684 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,679 fencing rather than just the rod iron. 685 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,359 >> Okay, that's what I was wondering if it 686 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:25,990 was a view obscuring fence or 687 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,480 » So, I did have um a couple of questions 688 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,159 and I do appreciate um the question as 689 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,399 far as the hours of operation because I 690 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:36,879 was curious about that as well. And then 691 00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:39,359 just having an idea as far as foot 692 00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:42,560 traffic, do they expect to with this 693 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,320 second location, is it going to be um 694 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,480 providing the same services as the first 695 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,960 location or is it how is that? 696 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,919 >> So I know that this is going or is going 697 00:34:55,919 --> 00:35:00,079 to serve as a car dealership only. Um, 698 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,240 as far as 699 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,760 their hours of operation, they did not 700 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,200 they didn't um submit anything along 701 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,240 those lines as far as I know. Um, what 702 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,720 we could do is say, you know, limit it 703 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,160 to an hour after dark or, you know, 704 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,079 something or, you know, during only 705 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,200 normal business hours or, you know, that 706 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,750 type of thing. Um, 707 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,760 uh, yeah, that one would be a little 708 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,359 hard without the applicant here to to 709 00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:36,240 really get down to the bottom with. 710 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,640 >> Mr. Chair, I'm not sure and and staff 711 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,280 can correct me if I'm wrong, that that 712 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,960 stuff falls within the purview of what 713 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,880 we can do on a conditional use permit. 714 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,560 >> There have to be a reason to do 715 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,160 >> I was just going to add that I recently 716 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,400 bought a car from them and their hours 717 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,359 were 8 to 6. 718 00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:56,640 So, pretty standard commercial hours 719 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,320 >> and they're usually closed on Sundays. 720 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,400 I'm I'm guessing from what I've seen, 721 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,440 too. I've worked with them a little bit 722 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,760 being in downtown. So, 723 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,200 >> and they're easy to work with as well. 724 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,480 So, they're they're great tenants that 725 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,560 I've I've worked with them, but 726 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,520 >> great questions. 727 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,599 >> And again, just another question in 728 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,400 regards to kind of the past. What was 729 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,320 the issue? Was what was the lighting 730 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,839 situation 731 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:22,320 when there was the other two? 732 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,359 >> Yeah, I I was not here for that time 733 00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:27,680 period. I don't know if Andre might know 734 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,760 or or somebody else 735 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,760 >> that was on the commission. 736 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,440 >> Is that something that we could ask one 737 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,430 of the neighbors? 738 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,760 » Yeah, we can ask the neighbors 739 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,359 >> commissioners. I would just add if if 740 00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:45,040 you look at this picture that's on the 741 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,079 screen, 742 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,320 >> it is about 3 years old. It was taken 743 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,960 from Google Streets, uh the only 744 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,640 lighting on the site is the lighting 745 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,320 that's on the building. There is no 746 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,960 standalone lighting in the in the site 747 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,599 itself. So, I would anticipate that the 748 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,200 lighting was just strictly limited to 749 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,359 the building into the site. 750 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:04,960 >> And I can't remember, and maybe that 751 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,240 answers my own question. Uh is that is 752 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,000 that lighting directed away from the 753 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,400 building or is it straight down? 754 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,280 Then maybe the neighbors can help. 755 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,880 >> It doesn't look like there's cabinetry 756 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,760 on the lighting. 757 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,150 >> No, 758 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,000 » so the the cabinetry part of the 759 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000 recommendation should cover 760 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,200 >> a lot of that stuff. 761 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,000 >> Yeah. 762 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,920 >> The dark sky requirements type of thing. 763 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,320 Yeah. We want the light to 764 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,720 >> absolutely onto the lot rather than into 765 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,560 the neighbors 766 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,680 >> bedroom windows like my neighbors does. 767 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,400 >> Mr. Chairman, one more question. 768 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,240 >> It seems like, and this is going back, 769 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,839 maybe only Commissioner Hammer might be 770 00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:47,920 the only one that remembers this, uh, 771 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,920 directly to the east of this across Main 772 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,240 Street, um, Bob Johnson's place. When we 773 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,839 did that, one of the restrictions we did 774 00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:57,680 put in place to maybe solve some of the 775 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,240 problems from a parking standpoint is we 776 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,280 very, very clearly did not allow off or 777 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,000 on street parking uh, in any way, shape, 778 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,320 or form. Now, 400 North does not lend 779 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,920 itself to that there. certainly on this 780 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,720 side of the street, but people are what 781 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,359 they are. But if we limit limit that 782 00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:18,320 parking to only onsite 783 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:18,480 and 784 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,599 >> I think considering there's an 785 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,760 intersection right there 786 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,910 at all. That's a good idea. 787 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,000 » Great. 788 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,680 >> Yes, Commissioner. Go ahead. With the 789 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,680 size of this lot and we're requiring 790 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,440 essentially three parking spots, one 791 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,440 being a 792 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,800 an accessible spot. How many cars can 793 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:46,230 fit on this lot reasonably? 794 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:48,800 I'm not seeing it being like a really 795 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:56,550 big lot. I'm gonna see. Um, 796 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,880 oh gosh, that's that's a really hard one 797 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,280 to to say. We But we could also limit 798 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,160 the amount of um stalls that that are 799 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,119 displaying cars for sale. Yeah. Well, 800 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,839 I'm just wondering if this grassy or 801 00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:18,400 weedy area ends up being part of the lot 802 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,480 and we're showcasing cars there, are we 803 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,240 going to leave it weeds or are we going 804 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,240 to ask for 805 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:30,079 >> that may kick in the non-conforming 806 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,000 section of the ordinance where if they 807 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,560 change all of that then they might have 808 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,599 to bring the whole lot into compliance. 809 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,839 So, I don't know if that's the direction 810 00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:42,240 they're going to want to go. 811 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:46,230 >> So, 812 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,000 » just a point of clarification. 813 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,320 >> Yes. 814 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,280 >> Is that okay? 815 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,079 >> So, at this point, they could not park 816 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,119 on this landscaped part where there's 817 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:56,400 dirt in 818 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,560 >> where? Yeah. It would not be allowed for 819 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,720 them to use that as additional parking 820 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:04,000 area because it it was not developed for 821 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000 parking and it's not part of the 822 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,480 non-conforming rights of the property. 823 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,920 >> Thank you. 824 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,040 >> Um, one more question. 825 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,079 >> Yes, Commissioner. 826 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,280 >> So, the driveway approaches are quite 827 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,079 large. 828 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:22,480 >> Yes. And so I um do have questions about 829 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,800 where all these for sale cars will be 830 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,320 parked cuz it's three parking spots and 831 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,640 a handicap spot. Is that correct? 832 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,280 >> Or was it two and one? 833 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,720 >> So it's one of the handicap parking 834 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,880 spots and then two additional customer 835 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,839 parking spots. 836 00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:43,520 >> But then I'm sorry, three more. 837 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,280 >> Yeah. Okay. And they had them across the 838 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,520 front. But I guess that's not the front. 839 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,960 >> But that's So that's a driveway though. 840 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,079 >> Okay. 841 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,040 >> So they don't have Oh, sorry. I just Do 842 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,280 they not have to use the driveway as a 843 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,599 driveway? They could put their cars for 844 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,319 sale in front of a driveway. 845 00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:06,160 >> No, there's a sidewalk that goes across 846 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,400 that city right away all along there. 847 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,520 >> But can you go back one um photo? Yeah. 848 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,280 So, right here. Oh, no. Right there. 849 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:15,920 >> This one. 850 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,680 >> Oh, sorry. Just stay where you were. 851 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,000 Sorry. It was on Christmas tree, not 852 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,560 there. 853 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,839 >> So, that's 854 00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:23,440 >> that's a driveway over there. 855 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,800 >> Well, it's a driveway approach, but you 856 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,560 got a city sidewalk that goes all the 857 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,040 way across. 858 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,839 >> So, I'm just saying could they 859 00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:32,079 park cars in front of a driveway? So, 860 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,240 like you could park I'm saying like 861 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:35,359 right here. 862 00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:36,640 >> Do you understand? 863 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,240 >> Yeah. for for um for us to be able to 864 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:41,920 approve it, they would have to be able 865 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,119 to get in and out of the driveway safely 866 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,839 or the parking lot safely. They wouldn't 867 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:51,760 be able to block it or the sidewalks. 868 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,640 They would not be able to be in the 869 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,960 public rideway. Um so there would be 870 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,079 some some restrictions on that. Um 871 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:03,760 >> Chief Day's new record. 872 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,200 >> Yeah. I just don't understand where all 873 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,280 the cars will go. Like I'm just kind of 874 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,240 confused. 875 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,760 >> So just in the middle. 876 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,280 >> Yep. 877 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,200 >> I I'm I'm not gonna speak for the 878 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:13,520 >> Yeah, 879 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,880 >> that's where I would put them if it was 880 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:15,359 me. 881 00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:18,400 >> Yeah, I would put them over on the west 882 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,640 side on the bigger 883 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,280 >> parking area. But then there's 884 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:23,599 >> Okay. 885 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:25,440 >> So yeah, all we're required for parking 886 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,520 is what's there, which is all that 887 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,040 technic required. 888 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,720 >> There's some here, right? 889 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:34,560 >> Okay. All right. 890 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,950 Good questions. Good discussion. 891 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:47,910 Any other questions or discussion? 892 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,160 I think we've drilled down all of our uh 893 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,160 issues that we see and try to mitigate 894 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,160 those those problems as much as possible 895 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,680 with 896 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,280 of course the dark sky requirements. Um 897 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,560 they're not allowed to park on a 898 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,680 driveway. We've already figured that 899 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,280 out. A parking signage would be a good 900 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,200 one. No parking signs were where 901 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,599 applicable. Anything else we can think 902 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:08,640 of? 903 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,240 >> Is that no parking one mean um you can't 904 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,240 block resident I mean on the residential 905 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,000 parking you have to park on site only? 906 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,480 Is that 907 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,000 >> I would hope that's common sense not to 908 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:18,560 block it. 909 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,640 >> No, I'm going to make it very specific. 910 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,880 >> I would make it very specific as well. 911 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,079 It's common sense. It's 912 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:25,119 >> not all that common anymore. 913 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:26,720 >> We see it happen all the time. I mean we 914 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:27,440 see it happen in 915 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,160 >> Thank you. 916 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,760 >> residential areas as well. So 917 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,280 >> Mhm. 918 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,640 >> Yeah. I think that's a great condition 919 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,079 to put in there to mitigate that as 920 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:38,160 well. And then the fencing um in the 921 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,270 back 922 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,319 » if we wanted to. 923 00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:44,240 >> Did you close the public hearing by? 924 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:45,599 Okay. 925 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,440 >> Yes. It's all in us now. So, 926 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,119 >> it's a lot of pressure. I got people I 927 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,550 know out there. 928 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,720 » All right. Any other uh findings of fact 929 00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,760 that we can mitigate? 930 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,359 >> Well, Councilman McCall, go ahead. 931 00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:01,280 >> Yeah. Could I just add? 932 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,480 >> Absolutely. 933 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,680 >> Since you guys can um basically put it 934 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,280 as a conditional use, what about the the 935 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,960 lighting ju just just for the sake of 936 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,280 the lighting that's there? Um they may 937 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,800 want to change it out because it is a 938 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,119 car dealership and most car dealerships 939 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:20,720 they're lit, you know, so you can see 940 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:25,040 the cars. It's part of their business profile. 941 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,480 But if I'm not mistaken, you could 942 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,040 probably make a conditional that they 943 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,160 put lighting next to that fence by that 944 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,560 lady's house that's shining away from 945 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:40,400 her house, but onto their property, the dealership's property. That way, 946 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,920 they could remove the lights on the side 947 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,680 of the building that's shining in her 948 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,560 direction. So, all the lights is 949 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,400 pointing right at their property and 950 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,599 nobody else's. I mean, I'm not saying 951 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,119 they're going to do it, but you can 952 00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:55,280 suggest that they did 953 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,359 >> as a as a show of good faith because 954 00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:59,520 sitting here looking at it, I I figured 955 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,520 they could probably get about 15 cars in 956 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,510 that in that spot. 957 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,589 » No. 958 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,280 » Six, seven cars. 959 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,200 >> Oh, good. Good. My I was looking and I'm 960 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,000 getting old, but I can't see. 961 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,000 And I think our our first condition on 962 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,760 the lighting specifies both of those 963 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,520 things already. So we should be okay. 964 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:24,880 >> We want the lighting off the residence. 965 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,040 That's for sure. Absolutely. I like it. 966 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,480 >> You can't see it, but there's also a 967 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,349 dumpster right there. 968 00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:34,960 » Okay. I hate to do this to you guys, but 969 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,560 we've already had our public hearing and 970 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,400 I've I've got a business meeting to run 971 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,480 and I've got to do it up here. So, I'd 972 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,760 appreciate it if you just let me do 973 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,640 that. 974 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,000 >> Thank you. 975 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,520 >> We understand your concerns though. I 976 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,480 promise you. We're we're trying to 977 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,440 mitigate them as much as possible. 978 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,920 Any other conditions we can think of? 979 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,160 This might be a challenging one 980 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,520 >> for all of us, but I think we can get 981 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:56,240 through it. 982 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,599 >> I'd like to yell at the planning 983 00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:58,880 commission that approved this the first 984 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,440 time. 985 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,040 >> All right. Any other further discussion, 986 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,200 questions, comments? 987 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,920 >> From the commission. 988 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,440 All right. I'll entertain a motion on 989 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:19,670 this one. 990 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,280 Mr. Chairman, I'm struggling with this 991 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,560 one. I'm going to I'm going to make the 992 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,270 motion. Um 993 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,880 well, since I've got the mic, I can say 994 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,839 what I want. Um but maybe for for the 995 00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:33,680 folks in the audience that need to 996 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,359 understand kind of the position we're 997 00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:38,240 in. Um, 998 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,040 conditional use permits 999 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,359 are very, very narrowly focused in what 1000 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:46,160 we're allowed to deny. 1001 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,800 Um, we have to be able to uh site some 1002 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,839 concern that can't be mitigated, 1003 00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:56,800 and I'm not sure I can do that here. I 1004 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,560 I've got a solution for all this stuff, 1005 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,119 unfortunately. Um, so I will go ahead 1006 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:04,000 and make the motion that uh we approve 1007 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,760 the conditional use permit request by 1008 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,000 Suzanne Jameson to authorize the use of 1009 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,839 automobile sales and rental to occur at 1010 00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:12,079 the subject property application number 1011 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:13,760 202612 1012 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,200 based on the findings subject to the 1013 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,040 conditions listed in the staff report 1014 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680 dated March 5th, 2026. And I want to 1015 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,720 emphasize condition number one as the 1016 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,960 staff recommended it. All new site 1017 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,720 lighting installed on the building shall 1018 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,119 use cabinetry or be designed to direct 1019 00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,680 the light down and into the site. That 1020 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,520 all site lighting installed in the site 1021 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,599 away from the building in the perimeter 1022 00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,119 shall be direct. It should be at the 1023 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,200 perimeter of the site and directed down 1024 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,040 and into the site and away from the 1025 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,520 local residences. That we also had a 1026 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,119 condition um prohibiting offsite parking 1027 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:49,359 that no parking will be allowed on any 1028 00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:53,599 of the streets surrounding the site. Um, 1029 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:56,319 what am I missing? Commissioner 1030 00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,720 that the that the landscaping be can't 1031 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:00,800 do much more than just the current city 1032 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,240 ordinances for landscaping, but 1033 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,319 emphasizing that those areas need to be 1034 00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:07,280 kept uh in conformance with city 1035 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,359 ordinance 1036 00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:12,880 and that we limit the number of vehicles 1037 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,109 on the site to 10. 1038 00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,200 I'm sorry, let me amend that. That's not 1039 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,040 customer cars, that's cars for sale to 1040 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,079 10. Thank you. 1041 00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,839 >> We want to add anything about signage. 1042 00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:29,520 >> I don't know where we could put it that 1043 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,240 it would work. Um we we can put signs 1044 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,760 all day long. Uh but once they can get 1045 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,040 to them and read them, they're already 1046 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,839 there. So if you I'm perfectly happy to 1047 00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:41,839 amend that motion if you've got a as you 1048 00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:44,720 call it a common sense. 1049 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,559 >> Um if they're parking in the neighbor's 1050 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,040 rideway, they need to call the police 1051 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,119 anyway. And that's in violation because 1052 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,040 we've already said no offsite. 1053 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,640 >> Yeah. No offsite limited to 10 for sale. 1054 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,800 I'll second your motion as you stated. 1055 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,240 >> Not going to try and repeat it. 1056 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,119 >> No. 1057 00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:07,680 >> Okay. So, we have a motion to approve 1058 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,599 with the following conditions added. Of 1059 00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,680 course, a heavy heavy emphasis on the 1060 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,960 light pointing down and the light 1061 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,960 pollution uh keeping the light on the 1062 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,800 property and not towards the neighbors. 1063 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,359 Uh prohibit off-site parking. uh keep 1064 00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:21,599 the landscaping maintained as per city 1065 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,640 code and then limit the cars on the site 1066 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,160 for sale to 10 vehicles. Did I get it 1067 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,079 all? 1068 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:31,839 >> We did. I'm sorry I wasn't paying enough 1069 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:33,599 attention. No off-site parking, right? 1070 00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,440 >> No offsite parking. So, I was still 1071 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,480 trying to figure out a place to put your 1072 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,599 sign. 1073 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:39,440 >> I know it's hard to do. Is there a way 1074 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,599 that we can address just to make sure 1075 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:45,520 that um outside of business hours that 1076 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,200 you know the lighting is going to be on 1077 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,000 a timer or how 1078 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,000 >> I don't think we have the ability 1079 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:52,960 >> Yeah. I don't know that we have the 1080 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,000 ability to do 1081 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:54,480 >> Yeah. 1082 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,640 >> to do that within the confines of the 1083 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,680 conditional use. 1084 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:58,319 >> Mhm. 1085 00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:02,000 >> And again the staff if I'm wrong staff 1086 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,200 >> save me but 1087 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,040 >> by directing it down and in it should 1088 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,000 not be an issue. 1089 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,230 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1090 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:11,760 All right. Yeah. 1091 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,520 >> And a second from Commissioner Proctor 1092 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,040 with all of those extra conditions as 1093 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:15,359 well. 1094 00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:17,760 >> Yep. Perfect. Any discussion before we 1095 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,160 take this to a vote? We know this is a a 1096 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,960 good one. I like it. 1097 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,030 >> Makes us think tonight. 1098 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,200 » Okay, we'll take this to a roll call 1099 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,880 vote. Commissioner Hammer, how do you 1100 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,200 vote? 1101 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:31,599 >> I. 1102 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:32,400 >> Commissioner Sloan. 1103 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:32,800 >> Hi. 1104 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,760 >> Commissioner Proctor. 1105 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:34,079 >> I. 1106 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:34,960 >> Commissioner Cordova. 1107 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:35,440 >> Hi. 1108 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,240 >> Commissioner Jensen. 1109 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:37,599 >> Hi. Commissioner Anderson. 1110 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,000 >> I I am Chairman Hamilton. I also vote I. 1111 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,440 That one passes with the added 1112 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,280 conditions in there. And please, if 1113 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,559 there is somebody parking in your 1114 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,160 driveway, that's going to give Chief Day 1115 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,559 ammo to get his new record. So, call 1116 00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,040 him. We will get them moved. Well, not 1117 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,520 we, but they will. 1118 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,800 All right. This moves us on to number 1119 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,480 five on our agenda tonight is our city 1120 00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,079 council reports. Councilman McCall. 1121 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,800 >> Uh, good evening again. Um the only 1122 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,760 thing that we uh went over the last 1123 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,599 meeting um which you thought yours was a 1124 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,520 doozy tonight. We had a doozy and that 1125 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,720 was a proposed amendment to 12 to 12 1126 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:20,079 city code 7-4-7 1127 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:23,119 parking limitations regarding front yard 1128 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,599 parking and residential zoning 1129 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,440 districts. 1130 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,480 And I won't dwell into that a lot, but 1131 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,559 um just to let you know, we had a a 1132 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:34,559 really really good discussion on that 1133 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,079 one 1134 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:41,760 >> um because it basically boils down to um 1135 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,559 in a sense dictating what you can and 1136 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,200 cannot do in your yard 1137 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,960 in in the the broader sense. Um, and 1138 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,880 whether or not you can park in the front 1139 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,520 and how much you can park in the front, 1140 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,119 whether or not it needs to be paved or 1141 00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:01,839 rocked and whether you can park in the 1142 00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:03,520 back and how much of you can park in the 1143 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,960 back and when you whether or not you can 1144 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,040 park on the side. Um, it was an 1145 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,240 interesting conversation. So, you will 1146 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,880 be seeing that. Um, is it before it 1147 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,800 comes back to us, Andrew, or after? 1148 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,680 >> Next meeting. 1149 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,400 Yeah, you'll be seeing it 1150 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,200 and I I may come in and stand out in the 1151 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,520 hallway just to hear you guys since the 1152 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,359 other two uh council members will be 1153 00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:29,119 here and I can't legally come in the 1154 00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,680 office in the building or the room. I'll 1155 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,839 just stand outside the door and 1156 00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:35,920 >> and listen to you guys discuss that one 1157 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,280 because Andrew can tell you it was a it 1158 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,240 was a duty and it is but unfortunately 1159 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:47,040 it is something that we have to address 1160 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,800 uh due to the fact that if you ride 1161 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,319 around town you'll see what was brought 1162 00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:55,119 to the council. There's a lot of homes 1163 00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:59,119 um where there are cars parked in the 1164 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:02,559 front and on the side and in the street. 1165 00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:05,280 I mean, there's and Andrew could share 1166 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,200 it with you, but he's there's places 1167 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,520 where you have like eight, nine cars 1168 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,640 parked not literally on the grass 1169 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,920 um in in in yards and it's really bad 1170 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,240 for the neighbors. 1171 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,640 So, it's a problem and unfortunately 1172 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,160 that's part of our job is to try to 1173 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,160 rectify that problem. 1174 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,559 >> So, you will get your hands on it as 1175 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:29,040 well. 1176 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,880 >> Looking forward to that one. It's been a 1177 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,079 problem for a while. I know a few 1178 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:32,880 properties. 1179 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,280 >> Yeah. 1180 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,119 >> And just speaking of this last one, for 1181 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:37,040 example, on street parking, Fourth 1182 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,359 North, there's no room for it, so there 1183 00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:40,480 shouldn't be happening. 1184 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,559 >> It's not. It it's it's one of those 1185 00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:44,720 things where a lot of people are moving 1186 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,800 back home and um because they can't 1187 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,200 afford to live on their own and they're 1188 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,800 bringing their toys and their cars with 1189 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,559 them and it's no place for them to work. 1190 00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:56,480 >> Affordable housing. That's what it's 1191 00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:02,549 boiling down to. Huh. 1192 00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:04,319 » Perfect. Thank you, Councilman McCall. 1193 00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:08,240 Any questions for Councilman McCall? 1194 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:09,440 >> Thank you, sir. Thank you for coming 1195 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,920 tonight. We appreciate it. That moves us 1196 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,599 on to number six on our agenda tonight. 1197 00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:15,440 It's a review and decision our February 1198 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,839 25th, 2026 planning commission meeting 1199 00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:19,920 and meeting minutes. Are there any 1200 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,359 additions or corrections to those 1201 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:23,440 minutes? 1202 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,000 >> I move we approve them as presented. 1203 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,440 >> Got a motion to approve from 1204 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,960 Commissioner Proctor and a second from 1205 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,280 Commissioner Anderson. Any discussion 1206 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,990 before we take it to a vote? 1207 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,680 » Commissioner Pro Hammer, how do you 1208 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,000 vote? 1209 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,160 >> I. Commissioner Sloan. Hi, 1210 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,359 >> Commissioner Proctor. Hi, 1211 00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:42,640 >> Commissioner Cordova. Hi, 1212 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:43,760 >> Commissioner Jensen. Hi, 1213 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,800 >> Commissioner Anderson. Hi, 1214 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,720 >> I am Chairman Hamilton. I also vote I. 1215 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,040 Those minutes are passed. Moves us on to 1216 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,359 number seven. I'll entertain a motion. 1217 00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:53,680 >> Move to approve. I mean, 1218 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:54,800 >> they are adjourned. Thank you, 1219 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,200 Commissioner H.