1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,310 Okay. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,720 Welcome. It's 5:30 p.m. on Wednesday, 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,080 April 15th, 2026. The 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,040 redevelopment agency of Tooele City and 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,280 the 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,080 city council meeting in a work meeting 7 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,280 that's being held at Tooele City Hall in 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,200 the council chambers located at 90 North 9 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,360 Main Street in Tooele, Utah. We're also 10 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,840 streaming this electronically on the 11 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,840 Tooele City YouTube channel. 12 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,080 We will start with the roll call. 13 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,280 Councilman Gose? Present. Councilman 14 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,520 McCall? Present. I'm Councilman Brady 15 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,400 and I'm present. Councilman Hansen 16 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,280 should be joining us in about 10 or 15 17 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,680 minutes and then Councilwoman Gochis has 18 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,720 asked to be excused tonight. 19 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,200 Our third item is the mayor's report. 20 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,080 Hello, council. I just have a couple of 21 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,360 items tonight. One, I would like to just 22 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,840 remind you or let you know, if you 23 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,080 didn't know already, that the Tooele 24 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,600 Serves Day will be on May 16th. So, be 25 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,480 sure to put that on your calendars. Um 26 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,200 9:00 to noon and we'll be working at the 27 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,520 uh 28 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,320 I always say it wrong. The train museum. 29 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:07,240 Tooele Valley Historical Museum and 30 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:08,775 Historical Park. 31 00:01:08,775 --> 00:01:09,400 >> [laughter] 32 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,240 >> Otherwise known as the train museum. 33 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,480 Um so, hopefully you'll be able to join 34 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,200 us that day. Um and then um as you know 35 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,680 each year uh we in the past we've had a 36 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:19,920 mayor's golf tournament. We're going to 37 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,840 continue that. Um the money that's 38 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,080 raised from the mayor's golf tournament 39 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,440 is used to do scholarships and uh some 40 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,880 grants for local youth programs and that 41 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,920 is coming up. So, um I didn't know if 42 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,480 you'd be interested in that. We have 36 43 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,960 teams. So, we're very appreciative of 44 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:37,880 the support from our local businesses 45 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,040 and that are willing to support our 46 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,480 youth in the city in that endeavor. 47 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,600 And then the last item is that the UDot 48 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,800 Trails Charter 49 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,680 is hoping has on their priority list a 50 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,600 feasibility study for a trail from the 51 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,320 south end of Tooele to Stansbury Park. 52 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,400 If you remember, the governor funded a 53 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,680 lot of money for a trails network 54 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,080 throughout the state of Utah. And this 55 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,240 is the one that they're one of the ones 56 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,200 that they're suggesting doing a 57 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,560 feasibility study for. So, um this year 58 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,240 um it will go before the transportation 59 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,160 commission in May and then they'll 60 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,440 decide. Generally, they just accept the 61 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,120 proposed fees you know, suggestions from 62 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,480 UDot, but they'll decide, approve that, 63 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:25,880 and then they'll get to work on a 64 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,800 feasibility study. 65 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,760 Um there was a little bit of concern 66 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,040 about whether it should be on SR-36 or 67 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Drew Bay, but they're going with SR-36. 68 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,640 So, we'll see what comes up of that. 69 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:38,400 Keep you posted. 70 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Okay. That's all I have to report. 71 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,720 All right, thank you. 72 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,520 Item four is the council members report. 73 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,440 We'll start with Councilman McCall. 74 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,440 Uh the only thing I have is um 75 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,120 ribbon cuttings. 76 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,400 I I think I 77 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,240 attended two. 78 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,920 Yeah, at least two since the last 79 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:59,480 meeting. Hard to keep [snorts] track of. 80 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,040 The last meeting, yeah. 81 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,480 And 82 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:04,920 I said I got a 83 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:06,880 COG meeting tomorrow. 84 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,200 Okay. 85 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,680 All right, thank you. 86 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,400 Councilman Gose? You know, I don't 87 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,400 really have anything to report this this 88 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,760 time. So. Okay. I hate to be that guy, 89 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,960 but I I don't. 90 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,320 All right, thank you. 91 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,000 Um I've just attended the mayor's staff 92 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,280 meeting and once again, the staff does a 93 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,520 lot of great work and it's always fun to 94 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,320 hear the the challenges they're having 95 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,360 and how they address those challenges as 96 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,560 well. So, 97 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,520 that concludes my report. 98 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,880 We have two discussion items. Our first 99 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,960 discussion item is a discussion on fees 100 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,720 for repeated false residential or 101 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,520 business alarms. This is presented by 102 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:48,830 Adrian Day, the chief of police. 103 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Thank you, council. 104 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,920 Many cities in Utah charge a 105 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,240 fees for repeated false alarms. I looked 106 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,640 up two of them, Sandy City and uh 107 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,240 Saratoga Springs. 108 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,080 A $100 service fee is charged for law 109 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,720 enforcement response after our repeated 110 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,480 false alarms. In Saratoga, you get one 111 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,240 free one and then they start the fee. 112 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,000 And uh in Sandy, it's the fourth false 113 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,440 alarm is where they start their fee. 114 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,640 In Tooele City schedule, there's no cost 115 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,880 for a response for two false fire 116 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,320 alarms, but after that, we do have a 117 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,120 charge of $100 and if it gets to six or 118 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,960 above, it goes to 250. 119 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,600 My department 120 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,560 responded to 996 false alarms in 2025. 121 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,200 373 of these false alarms were at 122 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,880 residences and 623 were at businesses. 123 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,600 Five different homes had four or more. 124 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,360 The worst offenders was a uh 15 and 19. 125 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,640 Two different homes. There were 46 126 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,120 different businesses that had over four 127 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,280 false alarms. Two alone had 79 128 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:03,200 between the both of them. 129 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,800 Excessive false alarms create the alarm 130 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,520 fatigue. 131 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:13,280 It really reduces the effect effectiveness and security of 132 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:16,600 these these safety systems. There's also 133 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,040 a safety issue with uh first responders 134 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,960 and how we become complacent naturally 135 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:27,440 after the 79th time at the same business. 136 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,040 I bring this discussion to you to see if 137 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,040 uh 138 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,720 you would support law enforcement fee on 139 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,560 the schedule 140 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,560 for repeated false alarms in a future 141 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,800 business meeting and if so uh 142 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,560 if you're looking at same type of thing 143 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,400 as uh fire or 144 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,640 I want to be business friendly. I'd 145 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,680 rather just not respond to the alarms, 146 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,160 but uh 147 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,040 for somebody that went over the the a 148 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,680 certain amount, but that would reduce 149 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,760 safe safety systems, too, you know. 150 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,720 Yeah. Any thoughts? 151 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,840 So, when an an alarm goes off, are you 152 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:09,000 being notified by like a third party or 153 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,680 is it the business owner calling you 154 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,080 saying 155 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,440 It's a It's a third party. It's uh 156 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,120 Peak Alarm. It's whoever the business or 157 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,520 the home pays Okay. for that and they 158 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,240 call dispatch and in turn send a police 159 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,680 officer there. 160 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,600 I got a question for you cuz I I think 161 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,480 you probably responded to 162 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,080 two at mine. Was it two? Two. That's 163 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,720 what I thought. Two and taking care 164 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,320 >> One time was uh 165 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,160 my daughter leaned up against the panic 166 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,440 button. That was kind of fun cuz none of 167 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,840 us know you knew that you were coming 168 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:44,280 until you were there. 169 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:47,400 The other time was I got notified and we 170 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,760 were out of town and it said 171 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,720 uh the burglar alarm had gone off on the 172 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,320 front door. 173 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,640 And I said, "Yeah, you mind going and 174 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,280 checking it out? Um send the police or 175 00:06:58,280 --> 00:06:59,400 whatever." 176 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,800 So, is this 177 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,320 the false alarm thing, when does it 178 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,520 reset? I mean, is it annually? It's in a 179 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,400 It Whatever you want. Cuz I They're in a 180 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,640 12-month period, generally. Yeah, I was 181 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,120 going to say in a year, I think. 182 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,400 I totally understand why you'd want to. 183 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:17,920 But from a business standpoint, if you 184 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,640 get notified from your alarm company and 185 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,440 it says 186 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,040 the alarm has gone off. Correct. 187 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,920 >> And you're not close enough to run down 188 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,400 and check it or you can't pull it up on 189 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,240 your camera, then obviously you want the 190 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,880 police to go, but 191 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,800 I get both sides of it. So, if uh I 192 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,880 would say if a business owner called and 193 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,960 said, "Don't worry about this alarm." 194 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,080 That takes away the response. Yeah. 195 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,720 Panic alarm 196 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,880 such as you described uh that happens at 197 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,840 Binks every now and then. We don't have 198 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,480 too many of them. I don't consider that 199 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,320 uh 200 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,040 that's somebody pushing something. I 201 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,240 don't consider that a repeated false 202 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,360 alarm. 203 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,440 That's a And it doesn't make a noise in 204 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,480 the store. So, Right. 205 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,040 >> when she leaned up against it, we had no 206 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,680 idea. And so, And this 207 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,560 >> a shocker to us, too. Second one you 208 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,240 described, you may have some may have 209 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,920 had somebody at the front door trying 210 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:09,600 it. 211 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,680 Yeah. 212 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,760 I don't know we consider that a false 213 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,600 alarm, either. 214 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,760 I I think if it's in a one-year period, 215 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,480 I don't have an issue with it. I mean, 216 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,840 obviously, if you're getting multiple, 217 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,240 like you said, what, 15, 19, or whatever 218 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,640 it was. 219 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,000 The Those were the two homes. The The 220 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,400 two businesses, one was 32 and the other 221 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,200 was 47. 222 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,039 Yeah, that's a lot. I remember when I 223 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:37,240 was on the road 15 years ago, there was 224 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,320 Middle Canyon Elementary had a door that 225 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,640 was really loose in the wind and every 226 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,400 night you would you'd know it was 227 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,480 coming. Set it off. They just didn't 228 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,800 want to fix it. 229 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,480 I like you said that the Sandy City was 230 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,320 after your fourth. 231 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,760 I think three or four times is plenty of 232 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,560 leeway. 233 00:08:57,560 --> 00:08:58,680 Okay. 234 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:00,680 Yeah, I agree. Three or I I probably 235 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:03,280 lean more towards four, but I'd be fine 236 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,880 with three as well. Like three, you get 237 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,680 a warning and letting them know that the 238 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:11,120 next or after four is a fee. When 239 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,640 other cities, when they give a fee 240 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,520 after the fourth, are they giving a $100 241 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,960 fee every time after that occurrence? Uh 242 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,440 the two I looked at, Sandy and Saratoga, 243 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,800 they both stayed at 100. They didn't 244 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,920 I didn't see an increase at all. But 245 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,240 it's every occurrence after the fourth. 246 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,080 Yes. Okay. Yes. 247 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,360 I think that's fair. Yeah. Gets their 248 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,000 attention to address the issue. 249 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,240 Fixes their alarm, I guarantee you. 250 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,360 Yeah. 251 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:39,400 I mean, it really comes down to 252 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,360 resources. We don't have enough resource 253 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,760 to send someone to every alarm and still 254 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,760 respond to other calls as well. So, It's 255 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,440 an incentive to fix the alarm and uh 256 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,200 if we have the capability to take away 257 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,440 fees if they fix the alarm, that's our goal. Right. We're We're here 258 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,880 for the worst offenders is what we're 259 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,560 trying to fix. 260 00:10:01,560 --> 00:10:03,000 Okay. 261 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,120 Any other discussion, questions? 262 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,600 Ideas? 263 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,040 I think I get the general idea. So, we 264 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,560 can always wait. So, yeah, I think I'm 265 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:13,800 okay. 266 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:14,320 Thank you. 267 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,390 >> Thank you for your service. 268 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,360 Our next discussion item is a discussion 269 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,000 of reorganization of enforcement 270 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,040 provisions for violations of Tooele City 271 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,360 Code titles 4, 5, 7, and 8 presented by 272 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,417 Matthew Johnson, the city attorney. 273 00:10:31,427 --> 00:10:33,790 » [clears throat] 274 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,840 » Thank you, Council. This is 275 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,480 um potentially a big project and we're talking about starting phase one. 276 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,320 Um 277 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,680 it's kind of come to our attention and we had a discussion um with the 278 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:47,800 mayor and a and uh 279 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,080 various department heads about 280 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,600 um how our violations are structured. 281 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,720 Actually, that ties in nicely into the 282 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,840 last presentation. We have um 283 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,920 in particular, we have 284 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,710 um 285 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,560 titles 5, 7, and 8 that all have 286 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:11,000 violations that can be enforced civilly 287 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,000 um meaning that they get a fine that's 288 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,000 paid through the finance department as 289 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,839 well as most of most of them have can be 290 00:11:18,839 --> 00:11:21,480 charged criminally as well. 291 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,920 Um right now, it's kind of far-flung on 292 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,440 what those fines and consequences are. 293 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,080 Um 294 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,000 some of the for for example, some of the 295 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,360 civil fees 296 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,080 start at $50, some start at 100, some go 297 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,520 up to $250, some 500, and some 1,000. 298 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,839 So, we would like to look at making that 299 00:11:40,839 --> 00:11:42,960 more uniform. Um 300 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,760 just as I brought this more as a visual 301 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:45,920 aid. 302 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,040 I went through and just marked 303 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,360 violations. This is not including 304 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,760 title 10 traffic violations or title 11 305 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,240 equipment violations. This is just 306 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,640 everything referencing some kind of 307 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,120 violation I've marked with a sticky note 308 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,400 and it's sort of all over the place. 309 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,160 What we have in mind for a starting 310 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,080 point at least is to look at 311 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,400 sections 312 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,000 4, 5, 7, and 8. We're not going to look 313 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,560 at the fire. That's kind of its own 314 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:15,320 thing for now. Animal as well. It's sort 315 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,360 of it's enforced in a specific way. 316 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,000 But 4, 5, 7, and 8 we'd like to um 317 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,920 at least per title 318 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,920 consider a uniform 319 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:30,560 first violation, second violation, 320 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:31,440 third. 321 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,640 Um 322 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,800 We we talked about starting at a 100 and 323 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,240 going up to 500 and at 500 thereafter 324 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,920 like like 100, 250, 500. 325 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,120 Um 326 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,440 for something like Chief Day 327 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,720 mentioned for each violation, we could 328 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:49,880 um 329 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:55,240 we would want to put into the more specific code when it 330 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,640 actually is a violation. So, 331 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,960 like the third or fourth for false alarm 332 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:04,520 would be the first civil violation. That would be a civil infraction. 333 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,040 And then it we'd go to the title that 334 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,640 it's under to say, "Okay, 335 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,839 everything for this title 336 00:13:11,839 --> 00:13:13,000 um 337 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,760 fits this structure. Every violation 338 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,360 fits this structure. 339 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,240 Uh we'd like to keep right now 340 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,480 everything 341 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,280 generally says 342 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,240 it also could be enforced as a class C 343 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,760 misdemeanor. We'd like to keep that for 344 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,240 now. Um it might be worth it in the next 345 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,800 stage or another stage looking at 346 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,080 whether we want to put more specific 347 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,000 elements other than a violation of this 348 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,240 title as a class C misdemeanor. But for 349 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,920 now, that's kind of what is in there now 350 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,520 and we would just move it to the 351 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,760 beginning of the title. 352 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,720 Um the second part of this is that we'd 353 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,080 like to 354 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,120 um we we've got some enforcement 355 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,440 provisions like abatement where the 356 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,480 city's actually going in and fixing it. 357 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,320 That only applies in certain situations. 358 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,320 Right now, they're um 359 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:06,480 for nuisance abatement in title 8, that covers it. And that covers um 360 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,800 offensive 361 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,440 Excuse me. [clears throat] 362 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,000 Uh something that constitutes a threat 363 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,959 to human health and safety. 364 00:14:12,959 --> 00:14:14,320 Um 365 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,200 and then we also have 366 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,959 abatement of of obstructions in in the 367 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:19,920 public right-of-way [clears throat] like 368 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,560 the street or the sidewalk. Um we wouldn't 369 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,160 really be changing that, but we'd like 370 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,000 to clarify that for example, a violation 371 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,800 of 372 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,520 um title 4, which is the building regu- 373 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,400 regulation could be of such a nature 374 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,400 that it's a public nuisance. Even though 375 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,160 it's on private property, it's creating 376 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,160 a substantial risk to human health and safety and that the 377 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,000 city could under certain cir- 378 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,800 circumstances could go in and abate it. 379 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,720 That would be the same for 380 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,320 well, not so much for the 381 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,720 business violations in title 5. 382 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,440 Uh but it would be for a lot of the land 383 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,120 use violations that could be um 384 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,920 something [clears throat] that is is 385 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:02,800 such a nature that it constitutes a 386 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,120 threat to human health and safety. One 387 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,839 example would be uh with the newer 388 00:15:06,839 --> 00:15:09,480 parking ordinance, if they were parking 389 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,520 um 390 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,880 and it was not uh on on paved a paved 391 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,480 portion of the private property, it 392 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,839 could affect um the the ground water. 393 00:15:21,839 --> 00:15:24,240 And under that, the 394 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,760 city could consider abating it. Um I I 395 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,560 think that we have a 396 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,480 code enforcement officer who uses good 397 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,200 discretion now and that 398 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,320 I I think that the city wouldn't jump 399 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,480 into 400 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,760 going into lots of private property and and changing things, but it would be 401 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,160 a tool that the city would be able to 402 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,360 use. 403 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,040 Um we're looking at some other 404 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,240 general reorganization that we'll we'll 405 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,400 have to work through. Um 406 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,880 uh for example, it'd be nice to have all 407 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,720 the parking violations in one section, 408 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,839 but that's tough because some of the 409 00:15:55,839 --> 00:15:57,360 parking we have right now is definitely 410 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,560 land use and having all the land use 411 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,640 issues in title 5 is a kind of nice 412 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,079 trigger to make sure we're following 413 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:05,120 those 414 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,880 land use notices. 415 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,640 Um but we're still working through 416 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,000 those. 417 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,200 Um 418 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,079 But yeah, we just 419 00:16:15,079 --> 00:16:17,040 would like to get the Council's input on 420 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,120 that and if there's any direction, 421 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:25,670 um any questions, 422 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,040 Okay, [cough and clears throat] are 423 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:31,030 there any questions or comments? 424 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,800 Sorry, first of all, I just want to 425 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,480 Could you just tell us what 4, 5, 7, and 426 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,440 8 are? What them titles are? 427 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:37,760 >> I meant to do that right at the outset. 428 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,280 Title 4 are the building regulations. 429 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,200 So, that'll cover things like plumbing, 430 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,520 electrical, um 431 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,480 things like that. Title 5 is the 432 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,320 business regulations. Um 433 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,360 that will be 434 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,040 the big one is doing business without a license. Um 435 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,200 we've got 436 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,640 a lot of issues right now where I know 437 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,600 that 438 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,640 um community development is looking at. 439 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,439 Um 440 00:17:04,439 --> 00:17:05,800 and that would be one that we'd go in 441 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,280 and abate because there's really not a 442 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,240 reason to. Um number 443 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,000 >> Did you Did you also say when we you was 444 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,120 talking, did you say land use was in 5 445 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:17,360 also? No, title 7 is the uniform zoning 446 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:19,280 and so that that'll be our land use. 447 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,400 Okay. Our land use provisions. 448 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,040 And then title 8 is um 449 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,880 health and sanitation and that's where 450 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,439 nuisance falls. There are some other 451 00:17:28,439 --> 00:17:30,360 things that would fall under that. 452 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:31,320 Uh 453 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,320 but and that's where our tools for 454 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,120 abatement come in for for nuisance 455 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:42,350 abatement. 456 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:43,840 So, when you bring it to the Council, 457 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,760 are you planning to do like one section 458 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,440 at a time like 4 or are they just kind 459 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,480 of intertwined that we need to do them 460 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,720 all at once? Um the thought that I had 461 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,600 is is because some of it will have to go 462 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,040 before planning commission cuz it'll be 463 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,040 land use to start with those and then 464 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,960 once we get that together to bring 465 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,720 at least this first stage all together 466 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,200 cuz like I said, the first stage will be 467 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,897 um the 468 00:18:11,897 --> 00:18:12,160 >> [clears throat] 469 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,240 >> making it the the consequences uniform for for 470 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,960 each title. Um and that way 471 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,400 you can see what we're doing. It it 472 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,679 would be a big 473 00:18:22,679 --> 00:18:24,160 as far as red light goes, it's still be 474 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,000 pretty big because we'd be crossing off 475 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,240 things and adding adding them somewhere 476 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:29,480 else, but 477 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,440 um 478 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,760 after after that, we may look 479 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,520 a little bit more specifically at okay, 480 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,120 this section makes more sense over in 481 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:41,360 this title. Um 482 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:44,000 but but for this first part, 483 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,080 um 484 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,000 that's what I had in mind anyways. It's 485 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,800 just try to get it all at once. 486 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,520 So, you wanting all four of them to be 487 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,159 equal as far as how many offenses before 488 00:18:54,159 --> 00:18:56,880 the fine starts or are they individually 489 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,440 going to have different starting points? 490 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:01,679 Like between the titles? 491 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:06,440 >> Yeah. That's that's a good question and we talked about that. It's 492 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,679 um uh open to Council's direction. Our 493 00:19:08,679 --> 00:19:10,960 thought is it's simpler if they're 494 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,919 uniform. Um right now, there's some that 495 00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:15,360 have 496 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,320 different fines between in- individuals 497 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,480 and businesses and and again, it would 498 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,080 be simpler if it were just 499 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,870 one point across the board. 500 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,320 I know in the past we've had like 501 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,120 individual ones brought to us and maybe 502 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,720 they don't they're not in these titles. 503 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,880 Maybe that's I'm thinking differently, 504 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,400 but it seems like over the last couple 505 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,919 of years we've had 506 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:40,320 some of these brought to us and so 507 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,640 really it's just about getting 508 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,320 everything on the same page and 509 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,679 Right. And and just just to make it more 510 00:19:46,679 --> 00:19:49,200 uniform and and less complicated. I I 511 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,200 mean, it's [clears throat] it's 512 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,240 for the public but also even just for 513 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,240 city staff to to s- say, "Okay, 514 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,280 well, this one starts at 50, but this 515 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,160 one starts at 100." And 516 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,190 um 517 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,400 I was going to say, one of my questions 518 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,080 would be 519 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,400 like the chief brought up, you know, 520 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,960 maybe after the fourth offense, these 521 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,920 are ones that they're getting a warning 522 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,040 first and then a fine. Is that typically 523 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,200 how they go? 524 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,280 Well, that's that's not uniform, either. 525 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,680 So, it some of them, yes, you get first 526 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,880 step as a warning. Other ones start out 527 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,160 with a fine. 528 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,960 Um 529 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,960 So, so, it it, you know, that's 530 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,720 something we could consider, too, is to 531 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,720 have a 532 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,640 to actually put right in the code that 533 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,760 they get a warning first. They know 534 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,689 that's typically our code enforcement 535 00:20:34,689 --> 00:20:35,480 [clears throat] 536 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,440 officers' practice, anyway, 537 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,840 but we certainly could just put right in 538 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,640 there, you get a warning and after that 539 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,160 then the fines begin. Right. Right. And 540 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,160 for things that are 541 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,320 um like the alarms where 542 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,280 you get at least two before it's a 543 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,760 violation, we could put it right there 544 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:53,029 where 545 00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:53,240 >> [clears throat] 546 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,680 >> when we 547 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,280 So, it's not at the beginning of code, 548 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,600 right there in the more specific section, say, 549 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,640 on the third one, that's where it 550 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:06,470 becomes a civil infraction, you know. 551 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,040 I mean, it makes sense to make it easier 552 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,320 for the staff and 553 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,840 I'm I'm on board for it. Sounds like a a 554 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,080 big project for you and your department, 555 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,400 so 556 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,520 I don't know that I have a lot of 557 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,240 direction to give of 558 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,000 how to do it, but 559 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Same, I don't know. I mean, I 560 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,400 you guys can come back with some ideas 561 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,720 and see if we can poke holes in it, I 562 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,680 guess. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that may be 563 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,840 the a good good question is is what does 564 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,240 it make sense to come back in in another 565 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,480 work meeting before we say, "Okay, this 566 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,680 portion, let's take to planning 567 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,000 commission." 568 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,120 Um 569 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:42,560 I think if we had like specifics, it 570 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,080 would be nice to see that in a work 571 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,720 meeting and before it goes to planning 572 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,400 commission, that way we can give input 573 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,680 and then the planning commission can 574 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,640 give input, as well. So, I would like to 575 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,240 see it back with 576 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,200 maybe some specific red lines and 577 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,920 ideas. Sure. Mhm. 578 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,080 Yeah. Everyone else agree with that? I 579 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,560 think so, yeah. 580 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:02,440 I think that's okay. 581 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,480 >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate Thank 582 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,640 you. 583 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:11,990 This is going to be a lot of work. 584 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,800 Okay, our next item is a closed meeting. 585 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,320 We do have a closed meeting tonight to 586 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,280 discuss discuss litigation and or 587 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,520 property acquisition. So, I'll entertain 588 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,280 a motion to move to a closed meeting. 589 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,600 Make a motion. 590 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,960 Second. All right, we have a motion from 591 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Councilman Gossett and a second from 592 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,120 Councilman McCall. We'll take it to a 593 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,360 vote. Councilman Gossett? 594 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,640 Aye. Councilman Hanson? Aye. Councilman 595 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,679 McCall? Aye. And Councilman Brady, and I 596 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:38,640 vote aye. That passes 4-0. 597 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,880 So, we will recess here at 5:52 p.m. and 598 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,160 reconvene