1 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,120 the Tooele City Council yes. 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,240 Welcome, it's 5:30 p.m. on Wednesday, 3 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:22,400 May 6th, 2026. The Tooele City Council 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,920 and the Redevelopment Agency of Tooele 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,160 City are meeting in a work meeting. This 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,040 work meeting is being held at Tooele 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,600 City Hall in the Council Chambers 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,360 located at 90 North Main Street in 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,840 Tooele, Utah. 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,680 We're also streaming this electronically 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,680 on the Tooele City YouTube channel. 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,000 We will start with the roll call. 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,880 Councilman Gossett. Present. 14 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:41,960 Councilwoman Grotches. 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,240 >> Present. Councilman McCall. Present. I'm 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,400 Councilman Brady and I'm present and we 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,120 anticipate Councilman Hanson will join 18 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,600 us shortly. 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,240 We'll move on to item three, which is 20 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,160 the mayor's report. 21 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:55,040 Okay, thank you, Council. I have it just 22 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,360 a couple of things tonight. Uh first of 23 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,480 all, we had a letter come in about our 24 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,720 cemetery crew um who would they were 25 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,320 this resident was searching and 26 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:06,680 in search of a family grave and the 27 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,560 pages that they were looking for are 28 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,680 missing from the public book and the 29 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,520 cemetery workers went and got the book 30 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,840 and found all the information and took 31 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,240 them to the graves they were looking for 32 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,160 and they said our employees were 33 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,360 wonderful and helpful and went above and 34 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,080 beyond to assist. So, I think it's good. 35 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,680 We hear a lot of negative. It's good to 36 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,800 point out when we hear the positive. So, 37 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,320 appreciative of them um helping that 38 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,560 resident. And then the second item is 39 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,640 about water. We've had a lot of uh 40 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,880 calls. If you've all seen the news 41 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,200 reports about the dire situation in 42 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,640 Utah. 43 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,480 Um it's 44 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,680 a little bit hard to because 45 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,520 the situation is not the same in every 46 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,480 town in Utah as we know. So, our water 47 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:46,840 comes from wells in the ground. Our 48 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,520 wells are in good shape. They're pumping 49 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,960 water. Um of course, we always want to 50 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,840 be conservation minded and we want to 51 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,200 encourage everybody be conservation 52 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,480 minded. Even in flood years, we 53 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,840 shouldn't just water to water. Um you 54 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,480 know, we just because there's there we 55 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,520 should always be paying attention to 56 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,000 that precious resource and using it 57 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,560 responsibly. So, at this point we do not 58 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,520 have mandatory watering restrictions, 59 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,440 but we have had some calls with 60 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,320 some concern and so I'm just going to 61 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,760 read you something that the public works 62 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,600 department has come up with. We're going 63 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,760 to publish this and this will be our 64 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,080 kind of a voluntary schedule. So, Tooele 65 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,520 City has the responsibility and 66 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,000 privilege to provide our citizens and 67 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,560 customers with water for their everyday 68 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,360 needs. While the outlook for Tooele 69 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,040 City's water supply is positive, it's 70 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,640 not unlimited. Tooele City has adopted a 71 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:33,120 new voluntary landscape watering 72 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,120 schedule that will help even out water 73 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,720 summer water pressure demands around the 74 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,959 city and make for more efficient water 75 00:02:38,959 --> 00:02:41,240 use if we all do our part. For homes and 76 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,280 businesses, if your address ends in an 77 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,880 odd number like 13579, 78 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,480 water on odd number calendar days. If 79 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,280 your address ends in an even number 80 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,520 02468, 81 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,440 water on even number calendar days. If 82 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,520 the month has 31 days, do not water on 83 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,120 the 31st. 84 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,239 Just because you can water on all even 85 00:03:00,239 --> 00:03:01,560 or odd days doesn't mean that you 86 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,760 should. Deep infrequent watering 87 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,280 encourages strong roots. Early morning 88 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,519 is ideal to reduce evaporation disease. 89 00:03:10,519 --> 00:03:11,880 And we should avoid watering midday to 90 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,480 avoid evaporation and late night to 91 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,360 avoid fungus growth. 92 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,640 Utilize 93 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:18,720 the conserve water Utah weekly guide for 94 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,440 specific localized timing and follow the 95 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,239 tips in the IFA lawn watering guide to 96 00:03:23,239 --> 00:03:25,800 avoid over-watering. More drought 97 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,560 conscious conservation irrigation 98 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,519 landscaping efforts will help ensure the 99 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:31,360 quality of life we enjoy in our great 100 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,080 city continues for many years to come. 101 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,440 The sooner we start making these and 102 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:35,959 other water water wise changes the 103 00:03:35,959 --> 00:03:36,959 better. 104 00:03:36,959 --> 00:03:38,000 So, we're going to publish that in our 105 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,959 newsletter and that will be our our 106 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:42,720 voluntary watering schedule for this 107 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,400 summer. So, if you get questions about 108 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,560 it, please refer to that or you're 109 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,000 welcome to reach out to our public works 110 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,040 department. They're pretty helpful. And 111 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,519 we will continue doing our water 112 00:03:51,519 --> 00:03:53,960 Wednesday social media post also and we 113 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,800 appreciate you sharing that information. 114 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,200 It's tips to help water wisely. So, 115 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,120 that's why we're doing it and we're 116 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,400 trying to do the best we can to help 117 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,120 educate and inform our residents. That's 118 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,640 all I have. 119 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,720 Thank you. 120 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,680 We'll move on to item four which is the 121 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,880 council members reports. We will start 122 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,630 with Councilman McCaul. 123 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,400 Um, I 124 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,720 did a uh 125 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,692 You can't hear me? 126 00:04:20,692 --> 00:04:23,870 >> [laughter] 127 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,520 » I did a a ribbon cutting 128 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,200 and something else I just can't remember 129 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,960 what it is. 130 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,200 But I know I went to the St. George 131 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,480 convention. 132 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,400 I was hanging out with you guys so 133 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,520 You were down there? That was about it. 134 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,440 Okay, thank you. Councilman Hansen. 135 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,040 I did a lot of other things besides city 136 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,160 things this last month but I wasn't 137 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,919 around much but there was a couple citizens reach 138 00:04:50,919 --> 00:04:53,000 out about a couple things but 139 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,080 I think we got them handled and 140 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,480 so yeah, we're good. 141 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,120 Thank you. Councilwoman Gauches. 142 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,600 Thank you, Mr. Chair. I also attended 143 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,320 the Utah League of Cities and Towns 144 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,560 mid-year convention in St. George and 145 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,240 they always present a lot of good 146 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,800 information, great breakout sessions and 147 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,560 I always feel like we gain a lot from 148 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,560 that. Um, today I attended the Utah 149 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,200 Transit Authority. I'm on the 150 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,880 local authority board and we met today 151 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,880 at the Salt Lake Central Station and had 152 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,240 a nice tour of the facility and 153 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,400 learned about FrontRunner 2 and the 154 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,960 things that are coming up that that may 155 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,240 have impact our county. So, good things 156 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,919 are happening in transportation and they 157 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:35,880 do affect generations. So, that 158 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,880 concludes my report. Thank you. 159 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,480 Councilman Gossett. 160 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,400 Well, we had the opportunity to go to I 161 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,919 think one of the most important things 162 00:05:43,919 --> 00:05:44,880 for 163 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,400 chief to 164 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,320 for the police banquet. That was really 165 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,400 cool and uh 166 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,880 learned a lot. I think those videos were 167 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,400 pretty eye-opening at some of the things 168 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,920 that you get confronted with on a daily 169 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,840 basis. So, 170 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:02,120 I'm glad I don't have your job, but it 171 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,040 was it was good to go and and see that 172 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,600 and support that. And I wasn't able to 173 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,440 go to the St. George thing because we 174 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,600 were 175 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,680 walking to Wendover. So, 176 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,080 not not any excuses, but probably would 177 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,400 have been funner to go to St. George. 178 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,880 But that's all I have. 179 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,280 Thank you. 180 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,640 Okay, I I was unable to attend the North 181 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Tooele City Special Service District 182 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,320 meeting, but during that meeting they 183 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,200 discussed that they will be raising tax 184 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,000 incre- they will do 185 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,120 truth in taxation to go through a tax 186 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,360 increase. They're recommending a 35% 187 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,720 increase is what it says in their 188 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:36,760 minutes. 189 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,200 So, they're going through that process. 190 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,880 They were planning to do that last year, 191 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,480 but they had some challenges with the 192 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,560 process and so now they're they're going 193 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,560 through that process this year. 194 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,040 I also attended the Utah League of 195 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Cities and Towns conference in St. 196 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,720 George. There was a lot of discussion 197 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,560 about water just as the mayor had said. 198 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,640 Uh the big thing that I got from that is 199 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,480 that most of our water usage comes from 200 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:02,760 outdoor [clears throat] watering and so 201 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,840 we really want to encourage our 202 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,040 residents to conserve where they can. 203 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,160 Most residents overwater. They 204 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,240 and so just really pay attention to the 205 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,520 amount of water you're putting on your 206 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,600 lawn. And then the police banquet, it 207 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,640 was excellent. It's always fun to go to 208 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,240 that and it was we had Chief Day had the 209 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,840 three council members go up and 210 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,440 put us in a situation where we had to 211 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,680 um 212 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,040 I guess 213 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,660 shoot a suspect. I don't know. 214 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:33,560 [laughter] A suspect had a a gun a a 215 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,120 fake gun obviously and we had to 216 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,720 be in a situation trying to decide when 217 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,160 we would react to that that shooter. So, 218 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,680 it it really was an 219 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,880 about what police officers go through 220 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,120 and not an easy job and we appreciate 221 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,760 all that you and your your officers do. 222 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,160 So, thank you. 223 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,960 That concludes my report. We'll move on 224 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,120 to our discussion items. 225 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,440 Our first discussion item is a 226 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,320 discussion on a proposed text amendment 227 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,480 to Tooele City code title seven chapter 228 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,080 four, off-street parking requirements 229 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,080 regarding the establishment of specific 230 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,720 parking and storage standards for 231 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,240 automobile-related commercial uses, 232 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,640 presented by Andrew Aagard, the 233 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,920 community development director. 234 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,200 Thank you, Council. Appreciate this 235 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,160 opportunity to 236 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,800 present a couple of ordinance amendments 237 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,560 to you today. 238 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,919 The first one is an amendment 239 00:08:20,919 --> 00:08:22,320 that is coming to you from the Tooele 240 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,010 City Planning Commission. 241 00:08:25,010 --> 00:08:25,280 >> [clears throat] 242 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,880 >> And it involves Tooele City title seven 243 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,200 chapter four off-street parking 244 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,840 and is regarding parking requirements 245 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,080 for automobile-related commercial uses. 246 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,840 The reason that this has come before you 247 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,479 is over the past year the Planning 248 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:45,640 Commission has dealt with a number of 249 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,960 conditional use permits involving 250 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,920 automobile dealerships and automobile 251 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,760 repair businesses. 252 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,880 And one of the main issues that always 253 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,960 comes up is parking. How do we do 254 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,600 customer parking? How do we deal with 255 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,720 uh vehicle storage yards, vehicles 256 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,640 awaiting repairs, vehicles being 257 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,120 uh stored for display purposes and so forth. 258 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,280 And currently in our code, there is no 259 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,040 requirements, there's no standards, 260 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,440 there's nothing in our ordinance 261 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,080 regarding parking for automobile-related 262 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,680 commercial activities. 263 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,640 When that occurs, the ordinance actually 264 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,600 delegates authority to the community 265 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,600 development director 266 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,080 to establish a parking standard for 267 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,800 those businesses, but it doesn't give us 268 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,160 any 269 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,160 parameters or any guidelines that we can 270 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,480 follow. 271 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,400 So, what I do in this situation is I 272 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,720 require these businesses to provide me 273 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,720 with 274 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,920 customer I'm how many customers they're 275 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,520 going to have on their busiest day, how 276 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,920 many how many employees do they 277 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,720 anticipate on their on their busiest 278 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,280 hours, how many vehicles are they going 279 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,520 to require to be stored, and we try to 280 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,440 establish the parking standards based 281 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,240 upon the information that's provided by 282 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,440 the applicant. 283 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,560 The planning commission wanted to 284 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:06,920 approach 285 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,880 an ordinance amendment whereby we have 286 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,960 some standards specifically set up for 287 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,742 these types of uses. 288 00:10:13,742 --> 00:10:13,800 >> [clears throat] 289 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:19,440 >> So, in your packets I provided two documents. The first one is the 290 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,080 ordinance amendment that comes directly 291 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,080 from the planning commission. 292 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,280 Uh Commissioner Linford is the one that 293 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:26,600 wrote this up and the planning 294 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:27,920 commission discussed it during a 295 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,920 discussion at a previous meeting. But, 296 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,080 this is the ordinance that uh 297 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,520 Commissioner Linford has proposed and 298 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,640 the planning commission endorsed. 299 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,640 They're proposing adding a new section 300 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,360 to Tooele City Code 7-4-4 301 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,280 automobile-related commercial uses. 302 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,360 Uh section one in that code will have a 303 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,640 purpose basically explaining the purpose 304 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,360 of the ordinance. Why are we putting it 305 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,200 in there? Why is it there? 306 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,760 One of the things that it does say is to 307 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,520 distinguish required parking from 308 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,960 temporary or ancillary vehicle storage. 309 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,560 And then they're proposing a section 310 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:06,040 two. Section two is the portion of the 311 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,480 code that would 312 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,040 delineate the parking requirements for 313 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,920 these types of uses. 314 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,720 Automobile service and automobile parts 315 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,080 and supply stores, three parking spaces 316 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,839 for each service bay. So, if you have a 317 00:11:18,839 --> 00:11:20,680 Jiffy Lube or something of that nature, 318 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,120 if they have three bays, they have to 319 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,680 have nine parking stalls. 320 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:26,920 And then three parking spaces for every 321 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,800 1,000 square feet of indoor retail floor 322 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,400 sales area. 323 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,840 So, an AutoZone or O'Reilly, 324 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:35,840 those are the type That would be the 325 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,080 parking requirement that they would have 326 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,040 to adhere to. 327 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,400 And then automobile sales, one customer 328 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,880 parking space per 400 square feet of 329 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,560 gross indoor sales area, 330 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:49,120 or five parking spaces, whichever is 331 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,320 greater. 332 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,680 One of the reasons for this one is we 333 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:54,080 want to make sure that an automobile 334 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,120 dealership will have sufficient parking 335 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,600 for customers 336 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,520 and will not take up the entire site 337 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,480 with display vehicles that are being 338 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,880 sold, 339 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,320 which right now our ordinance does not 340 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,440 define. 341 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,480 Section two also includes this table, 342 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:09,600 which goes through pretty much the 343 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,960 parking standards that I mentioned. Also 344 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,480 has some language in there regarding the 345 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,640 number of compact spaces allowed, which 346 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,680 would be 25%. 347 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:19,040 And then some notes and other 348 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,360 requirements 349 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,200 uh regarding towing services if 350 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,400 provided. 351 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,840 And then sections three and four, 352 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,400 required parking spaces shall be 353 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,080 provided in compliance with all 354 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,200 applicable design. Basically, this is 355 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,720 just stating that uh the parking spaces 356 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,520 have to comply with the typical parking 357 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,520 standards in our ordinance currently 358 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,040 that we that we do currently have. 359 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,160 And then number four is kind of a 360 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,000 critical one. Temporary vehicle storage, 361 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,600 where towing services are provided and 362 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,400 related strictly to automobile repair 363 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:47,680 services, 364 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,320 a site plan shall be provided 365 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,120 designating an area for temporary 366 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,839 vehicle storage. 367 00:12:52,839 --> 00:12:54,880 And we do have, 368 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,760 you know, auto 369 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,080 automobile repair businesses are 370 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,320 naturally associated with vehicle 371 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,600 towing. 372 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,320 Uh sometimes vehicles are not be able 373 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,400 not able to be driven to a repair shop, 374 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,120 so they have to be towed. 375 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,720 And uh so we have to have They would 376 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,000 like to have the ordinance to have some 377 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,720 accommodation for that, but we also want 378 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,200 to make sure that a vehicle tow lot or 379 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,040 an impound lot is not the same thing. 380 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,160 Uh so the ordinance kind of 381 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,640 differentiates. You can have towing 382 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,920 services as long as it's automatically 383 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,080 associated with automobile repair 384 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,800 services. 385 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,680 And then the last part is such areas 386 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:30,720 shall be paved, screened, and approved 387 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,080 through site plan or conditional use 388 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,080 review. 389 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,240 So, right now we don't have any 390 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,120 ordinances that require screening of 391 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,920 these materials. We can only screen them 392 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,920 through conditions attached by the 393 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:40,960 planning commission through a 394 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,480 conditional use permit. 395 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,240 So, that's the ordinance as proposed by 396 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,200 the planning commission. 397 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,040 Uh staff has reviewed it and we've made 398 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,960 a couple of minor edits to it, nothing 399 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,520 significant. So, 400 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,360 uh section one will be the same. Section 401 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,440 two, we are proposing eliminating the 402 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,000 language and just including the table. 403 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,400 So, under section two, you would just 404 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,000 have the table. Uh we found that the 405 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,240 planning commission's version there was redundancy between the table 406 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,640 and the language. 407 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,000 And then the little highlighted part 408 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,280 with the red, I wanted to add uh 409 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,920 automobile service and repair 410 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,200 and then automobile sales and rental 411 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,840 uh to make sure the ordinance is clear 412 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,320 on those. 413 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,680 And then the the other two sections are 414 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,960 exactly as the planning commission 415 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,440 proposed. 416 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,360 So, that's what's being proposed. I'd 417 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,120 like to move this through the process 418 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,920 and get the city council's 419 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,960 feedback and blessing. If you have any 420 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,200 concerns or questions about it, I'm 421 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,675 happy to try and answer those for you. 422 00:14:39,675 --> 00:14:40,160 >> [snorts] 423 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,160 >> Any questions or comments? I got a 424 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,560 question. So, how does this affect 425 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,280 businesses that are already 426 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,200 set up? I'm I'm thinking of one in 427 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,000 particular, rental car company. 428 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,120 How does that affect them? Do they have 429 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,880 to update to this new standard or are 430 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,800 they kind of grandfathered in? 431 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,960 So, anytime we pass anytime the council 432 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,480 adopts a new ordinance, existing uses 433 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,000 are then they then become what we call 434 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,960 legally non-conforming. 435 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,720 So, they are legal, but they may not 436 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,520 conform to the new parameters of the 437 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,680 ordinance. 438 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,440 In that case, we have a code to Will 439 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,480 City 440 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,520 code 7-3 non-conforming uses that 441 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,760 permits those uses to continue on as is 442 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,840 in perpetuity. So, they would be 443 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,920 unaffected. If they're going to do any 444 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,880 renovations or changes, then they would 445 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,480 have to conform to this new code. Okay. 446 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,950 Any questions? 447 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:38,600 I have a question about the number of 448 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,920 parking. You'd said like an oil shop, if 449 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,600 they had three bays, they'd have to have 450 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,240 nine parking spots. 451 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:46,280 >> That's That's what this code would 452 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,400 require, yes. Does that I'm thinking of 453 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,040 like a Jiffy Lube down by Walmart. It 454 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,240 seems like they don't have nine parking 455 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,720 spots right now, but there's rarely that 456 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,920 many people in the parking lot because 457 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,480 their car is being serviced, right? You 458 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,080 go to this oil shop, you pull into the 459 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,760 bay, so 460 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,200 I guess I have a hard time understanding 461 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,800 why we need so much parking for 462 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,440 something 463 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,520 like an oil service business. 464 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,760 The only thing I could The only response 465 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,000 I could give to that would be some 466 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,560 people do drop off their cars. 467 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,630 Um 468 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,080 Yeah, I It's a number 469 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,400 >> number of the commissioners threw out 470 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,560 that threw out to that one, and I think 471 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:27,880 in this case we just wanted to make sure 472 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,120 there was ample parking for those 473 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,720 situations. And then my other question 474 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,120 is with parking as well. So, 475 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,400 yeah, let me pull it up real fast. So, 476 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,360 it's one customer parking space per 400 477 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,120 sq ft of gross floor area in the 478 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,160 automobile sales area or five parking 479 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,000 spaces, whichever is greater. So, if you 480 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,200 had like a 2,000 sq ft gross floor area. I don't 481 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,839 know how big like a dealership is. 482 00:16:53,839 --> 00:16:55,520 I'm assuming that it's 483 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,160 significantly bigger than 400 sq ft. 484 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,040 >> Oh, yeah. So, they're going to have to 485 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,880 have like 12 to 15 parking spots. 486 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,000 >> Correct. 487 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:04,480 Okay. 488 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,880 >> Yeah, it's all related to the size of 489 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,880 the of the floor area where they are 490 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,199 displaying and selling merchandise. 491 00:17:10,199 --> 00:17:11,480 Okay. 492 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,640 I think it seems a little excessive if 493 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,959 as I think through it. I think it's more parking than they'll ever use 494 00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:20,480 is what my mind's thinking, but maybe 495 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,560 I'm off on that. I think for the sales 496 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,120 part, you're probably right. For the 497 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:27,240 auto repair part, I think the parking 498 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,080 is, but I think the lube places maybe 499 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,120 should have an exception that's 500 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:33,400 different because you're right. They 501 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,400 don't Most people don't stay there for a 502 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,040 long time. They do Some do get dropped 503 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,080 off. I think Jiffy Lube has close to 504 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,920 that in the back part, but still Yeah. 505 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,560 They got to have their something for 506 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,400 their employees, so maybe 507 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,880 they do need that much because 508 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,680 >> the consideration is the employees. They 509 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,040 do bring their cars to work. One example 510 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,640 that I can think of is I used to take my 511 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,960 car to the Jiffy Lube down by Walmart. 512 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,560 And I drop the car off and I go do my 513 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:57,760 shopping. 514 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:58,920 Well, they'd bring the car out and then 515 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,400 they'd park it. And it'd be sitting 516 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,520 there waiting for me until I come back. 517 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,480 Right. And so that's 518 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,840 I mean, there is a need for some 519 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,680 vehicle parking for those situations. 520 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,240 Whether whether it's excessive with 521 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:13,960 having nine if you have three bay three 522 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,400 bays, 523 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,680 I don't know. 524 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,200 So, years ago at a it was a Utah League 525 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,160 of Cities and Town conference, they had 526 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,640 a speaker from out of state come and he 527 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,960 talked about how much land we waste on 528 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,560 parking lots. 529 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,160 And it's really made me think about the 530 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,080 requirements that we have. 531 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,760 The funny part is is I would rather have 532 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,000 more parking spot requirements in 533 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,760 residential areas cuz that's where your 534 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,880 car is most of the time rather than a 535 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,000 commercial area where 536 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,200 you're coming and going and then at 537 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,360 night it just sits there and it's it's 538 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:47,680 land that 539 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,760 we kind of waste for parking. So, it 540 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,440 just made me think a little differently 541 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,520 about do we really need as much parking 542 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:54,720 as 543 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,320 we require sometimes. And and that is 544 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,160 That that has merit what you're 545 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,440 suggesting. And and when I go to 546 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,400 planning conferences, 547 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,080 they are always railing on too much 548 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,520 parking, having seas of parking lot 549 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,240 instead of using that area for other 550 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,480 amenities. 551 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,880 And [snorts] it is often discussed that 552 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,160 we overpark ourselves. 553 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,640 Um 554 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,600 I frequently visit auto parts stores. I 555 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,520 have a classic car that I work on and 556 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,840 maintain 557 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,200 and they're never full. 558 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,960 I never have problem finding parking at 559 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,120 an auto parts store. 560 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,720 So I see the purpose behind it. I I 561 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,320 think it's needed. We need something in 562 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,440 the code. I just wonder 563 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,720 if there's a way to not have it so 564 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,920 excessive or And you're right, the auto 565 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,520 parts stores do not have a parking 566 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,680 problem. It's the auto repair shops 567 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,360 >> do. that have the parking problem. It 568 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,720 really is that. So is that where we 569 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,720 should focus though is on an auto repair 570 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,200 More than 571 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,880 >> But then does that get into some 572 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,000 Bert Brothers for example, they do oil changes but then they do 573 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,960 auto repairs as well. They It seems like 574 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,440 they have sufficient parking. They have 575 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:00,920 sufficient parking. In fact, they are 576 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:01,840 overparked. 577 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,440 >> Yeah. When when this 578 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,640 when the planning commission wanted to 579 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,840 move this ordinance forward 580 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,880 I was surprised when they put auto parts 581 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,160 retail in there because 582 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,240 in my mind our ordinance already 583 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,840 addresses that just under retail sales. 584 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,120 I mean, there's really no difference 585 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:22,760 between selling lumber and selling auto 586 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,320 parts. It's all retail. So if the 587 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,640 council wanted to just remove that auto 588 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,960 parts retail from it and we just 589 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,800 continue with our standard I have no 590 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,280 problem with that. The the the big issue 591 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:35,680 was 592 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,000 really the dealerships and the the 593 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,320 automobile repair and having sufficient 594 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,600 parking for the customers and making 595 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,200 sure that automobile storage areas are 596 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,000 appropriately screened and so forth. So 597 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,960 I'd be I think it wouldn't harm us at 598 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,760 all if we removed that language and and 599 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,240 just focused on the other if the council 600 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,120 wanted me to proceed that way. 601 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:56,840 So would you just remove the automobile 602 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,080 parts or the supply stores as well? Is 603 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,120 that part of it? Yep, just take that out 604 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:02,880 of there. 605 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,720 I favor that and I I do think that we 606 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,520 have you know, we're kind of talking 607 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,600 about more more um 608 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,120 larger repair shops, but we do have like 609 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:13,240 neighborhood people that have been in 610 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,000 our community for years, and we want to 611 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,520 be able to accommodate those cuz they've 612 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,040 got repeat customers, and some of them 613 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,400 have limited areas. And then they do 614 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,720 park on this the streets, and maybe that 615 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,800 impacts a neighbor, and you know, so I 616 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,320 think that we do need to be um 617 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,560 be careful of reducing 618 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,160 parking. I think that parking is 619 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,120 unnecessary thing, especially in this 620 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,440 type of industry. It's a repeat industry 621 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,560 over and over and over. Right. And I was 622 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,800 getting ready to say pretty much the 623 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,360 same thing that you you just said. 624 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,160 Um it just 625 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,360 it it kind of appears that 626 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:50,920 the little guy 627 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,760 um 628 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,000 that want to open up a shop 629 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,240 this ordinance is basically saying uh 630 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,160 you got to get a big building, you got 631 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,000 to have all this parking 632 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,200 just to start. You know what I mean? And 633 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,160 I'm not saying this is not a good thing 634 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,910 cuz it is. 635 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,480 But I think we're we are doing 636 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,480 not attacking, but we're base putting 637 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,000 limits on 638 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,080 what a newly up 639 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,960 I can't get the word out, but someone 640 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840 that wants to start a new business. 641 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,360 Case in point, the one that we just 642 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,760 approved on 400. 643 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,800 Um that spot is not big enough that for 644 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,200 what we're just talking about. 645 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,120 >> Talking about, yeah. The one 646 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:35,880 we just did a couple of weeks ago that 647 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,520 just opened up on 400 and Main. 648 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,280 That little spot, he would not be able 649 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,520 to do that because he didn't have that 650 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,680 room, especially when it comes to 651 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,320 um a tow truck coming in to drop a car 652 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,120 off. He didn't have that much room 653 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:51,720 there. 654 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Um 655 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,000 I'm just saying it. I'm not saying I'm 656 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 against this at all. I'm just saying 657 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,160 that 658 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,480 it it is So, are we limiting what they 659 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,440 can take in for their livelihood by not 660 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,240 allowing you to park cars 661 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,040 at their their establishment, you know, 662 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,600 I mean that 663 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,360 I don't know. That's Did that business 664 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,520 need a conditional use permit? It's the 665 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,320 one uh 666 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,560 I think you're talking like 667 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:16,640 >> The old Technaglass building? 668 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,320 >> Yes. Yeah, it needs The conditional use 669 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,760 permit that I had previous to that had 670 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,400 long since expired, so they had to do it 671 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,640 again. 672 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,840 They do have a a back parking in there 673 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,400 that maybe could covers it, but they 674 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,240 don't have a lot of front Is that a Is a 675 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,400 good example of Yeah, but it's very, limited. 676 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,040 >> Limited parking. 677 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,720 I know cuz my brake line broke and I had 678 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,320 to It was the closest auto parts 679 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,360 garage and I had to pull in there and 680 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,160 cruise to a stop because I had no 681 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,280 brakes. 682 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,880 And I basically blocked his blocked his 683 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,520 the back of his shop. 684 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,560 Because I couldn't move it, you know, 685 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,080 the truck wouldn't you know, it would 686 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,086 move, but it wouldn't stop. 687 00:23:57,086 --> 00:23:58,320 >> [laughter] 688 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,400 >> So, but yeah. 689 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,680 He wouldn't have had that much 690 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,120 No one could get When I was in there, no 691 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:06,600 one could get in. 692 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,640 You know, going back to the Jiffy Lube 693 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,280 deal, with the Jiffy Lube we were 694 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,960 talking about it needing nine parking 695 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,800 spaces, but the way I read it, you'd 696 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,200 need 12 because it's plus another three 697 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,400 spots for retail the Oh, 1,000 square 698 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,840 showroom part. So, you Now they've got 699 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,000 12 spots. 700 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,200 That does seem like quite a bit. Yeah. 701 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,160 How many bays does that old Technaglass 702 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,720 have? Two. He has two bays. So, now 703 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,000 you're saying they need to have six 704 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,360 plus another three. So, they counting 705 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,960 that as bays or or as work areas? Huh? 706 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,560 Because bays you're talking counting 707 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,440 that as just the two doors cuz 708 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,960 Technaglass has like five working spots. 709 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,760 Yeah, it's just the Well, that's a good 710 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,680 question. It does. Um it doesn't it 711 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,680 doesn't designate work spaces, it just 712 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,880 says bays. So, I would be looking at 713 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,440 that from a respect a perspective of 714 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,480 doors. Yeah. 715 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,440 So, in Techniglass' case, it'd be we 716 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,640 would consider that two bays. 717 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,280 So, that would be nine by the time you 718 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,520 figure the retail space, right? Mhm. 719 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,240 That's right. That little place has two 720 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,480 doors that place 400. And then two in 721 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,000 the back. 722 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,920 Do we have another code somewhere? So, 723 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,880 now we're talking about parking space, 724 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,480 but then is there another code that's 725 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,640 going to say their parking space has to 726 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,880 be this much area and you have to have 727 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,920 Once you get to so many stalls, you have 728 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,480 to have an island or something that 729 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,520 separates it and Yeah, we already have 730 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,760 that code established. That's that's 731 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,120 7-4-7. 732 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,640 And it specifies parking stall width and 733 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,960 length, specifies landscape end caps. 734 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,040 If you have certain number of parking 735 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,440 stalls, you may have to have an island, 736 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,000 which can detract from the number of 737 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,840 parking spaces. 738 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,520 I think I'm I'm worried about this. I 739 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840 really am. I think it's opening up a a 740 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,200 bigger issue than 741 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,840 I think we need to look into it more, 742 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,560 right? About 743 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,840 the unintended 744 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,080 consequences that it's going to have. 745 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,960 The other option, and maybe this is why 746 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,680 it was established this way in the first 747 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:07,760 place, 748 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,480 is leave it alone and leave it up to the 749 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,920 community development director to take 750 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,080 it on a case-by-case basis. 751 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,120 Um it has worked well. 752 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,800 I can't say that it hasn't worked well. 753 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,960 It's 754 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,040 it works. It's it's functioned up to 755 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,880 this point and maybe that's the best way 756 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,440 to deal with these situations. 757 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,360 So, I can think of a few locations where 758 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,160 I think it would be appropriate to have 759 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,120 a minimum requirement, but 760 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,520 as they do go through that process, the 761 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,800 conditional use permitting process where 762 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,520 the purpose of that is to resolve these 763 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,160 issues, so 764 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,520 >> Yeah, and and the planning commission is 765 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,640 very good at that. They look at it all the potential 766 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,280 impacts that are generated by the 767 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,560 business and they try to attach 768 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,880 conditions. 769 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,800 Uh with the Techniglass, they were very 770 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,120 sensitive to the fact that um 771 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,880 being on that corner, 772 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,920 it's a very busy corner, and uh there 773 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,560 are very limited parking in the front, 774 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,880 so they attached conditions that the 775 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,960 parking in the front of the building has 776 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,600 to be reserved for customer parking. 777 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,960 And so, 778 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,520 you know, there are advantages to having 779 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,760 some flexibility to looking at things at 780 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,720 a case-by-case basis, which is what the 781 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,320 way the ordinance is currently 782 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,440 structured. 783 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,400 So. 784 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,720 is this ordinance just for 785 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,280 the commercial buildings, or is this for 786 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,320 the home-based as well? So, it would 787 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,720 just be for commercial businesses. 788 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,080 Currently, the ordinance prohibits auto 789 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,480 repair as a home-based business. You 790 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,880 can't do it. 791 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,920 So, if there are other If there are 792 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,320 existing businesses, they of course 793 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,480 would be grandfathered, but this would 794 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,600 not apply to those residential uses 795 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,840 because you technically they're 796 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:49,550 prohibited by the ordinance. 797 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,120 Any more discussion, or how do we want 798 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,400 to move forward is the next question. Do 799 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,640 we want to see a revised plan? Do we 800 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,630 want to just 801 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000 Well, do we do we I mean, Andrew's got a 802 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,520 point that 803 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,000 him doing that, but do we need to have 804 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,600 any kind of guidelines for you, or are 805 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,480 you good with what you have? No, we 806 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,320 handle it well. I mean, we we usually 807 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,880 get the information from the applicant, 808 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,080 and then the planning commission deals 809 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,600 with it well during the conditional use 810 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,920 permit hearing. 811 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,600 Um I'm good with it just staying like 812 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,600 that. I mean, I really am. We've just 813 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,440 been looking at a lot of these, and they they were questioning whether or 814 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,680 not we should have some established 815 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,240 standards to 816 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,840 make it a little more concrete, but like 817 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,120 I said, 818 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:29,800 every new ordinance opens up a can of 819 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,760 worms one way or another. So, it seems 820 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,760 like it. I've learned that. unintended 821 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,320 things sometimes. 822 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,600 >> unintended un- unintended consequences. 823 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,560 Yeah. 824 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,160 Me, personally, 825 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,160 I I'm I'm okay either way, but but I 826 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,480 would 827 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,240 like for them to um 828 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,080 review it again with the that we just 829 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:49,560 raised. 830 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,560 >> Okay. 831 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,160 I was planning on putting it on the next 832 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,160 agenda for planning commission. 833 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,360 Just uh 834 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,520 it was going to do the public hearing, 835 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,720 but we're not we're not ready for that 836 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,840 at this point. I'd be happy to put it on 837 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,520 there and discuss it further with them, 838 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,360 get their feedback, and 839 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,640 uh we're not in a we're not in a hurry 840 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,120 to get this done, so we can take our 841 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,800 time on it and decide if we want to do 842 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,880 it or not. 843 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,440 Cuz I think that would 844 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,320 let that would help us more input, and 845 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,160 maybe they can ask some more questions. 846 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,360 >> They have They have lots of good ideas 847 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,200 over there, so Yeah, they do. They 848 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,360 really do. 849 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,480 Yeah, we appreciate them suggesting 850 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,000 ideas, so Mhm. Okay. Excellent 851 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,280 discussion. Appreciate that. 852 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,480 Okay. 853 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,640 We'll move on to our next discussion, uh 854 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,560 discussion on a proposed city code text 855 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,240 amendment to Tooele City code 7-14-11, 856 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,160 landscaping and water conservation with 857 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,240 new development regarding the use of sod 858 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,560 in residential landscaping, and the use 859 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,480 of irrigation systems associated with 860 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,895 residential landscaping. 861 00:29:44,895 --> 00:29:44,960 >> [clears throat] 862 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,360 >> by Andrew Aagard, the community 863 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,240 development director. Thank you, 864 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,080 council. 865 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,880 So, if you recall a couple of years ago, 866 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,920 we we went through a pretty significant 867 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,680 ordinance amendment where we changed the 868 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,000 ordinance requirements for landscaping 869 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,640 in residential, commercial, and 870 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,560 industrial zones. 871 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,520 Essentially limiting the use of sod. 872 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,400 Basically in in commercial and 873 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,800 industrial, you can't use sod. 874 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Um 875 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,880 in 876 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520 residential, we limited it to 50% of the 877 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,080 front yard, and in multi-family residential, you can 878 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,840 only use sod in areas with active 879 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,360 recreation. 880 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,880 And then the ordinance prohibited sod in 881 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,120 the park strip, period. 882 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,000 And the ordinance that we have on the 883 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,720 books, Mayor Manzione pointed out some 884 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,320 language in here that's a little 885 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,920 confusing, 886 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,680 and uh we wanted to go through the 887 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,400 process of cleaning up this little code, 888 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,400 and 889 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,160 we're not really changing anything with 890 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,680 these ordinance amendments. We're just 891 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,040 trying to to the code a little easier to 892 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,040 understand and eliminate some of the 893 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,800 ambiguities. I hope you can see what's 894 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,040 underneath that red area. 895 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,360 But, I've highlighted the areas that are 896 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,960 problematic. 897 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,560 In uh section number one, 898 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,520 the area says, "And areas on the lot 899 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,040 less than 8 ft in width." 900 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,640 This creates problems with section 901 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,400 number two, saying that you can use sod 902 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,480 50% of your side yards and your front 903 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,000 yard. 904 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,640 The R17 zone is our most uh 905 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,000 pre-predominant zoning district, and you 906 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,960 can have 6-ft side yards in that zone. 907 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,480 And if we go with this, 908 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,960 it's stating you can't put sod in your 909 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,360 side yard. 910 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,200 And so, I want to eliminate that. So, 911 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,800 somebody wants to use sod in their side 912 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,160 yard, they can, as long as they don't 913 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,440 exceed the 50%. And you we can eliminate 914 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,400 that ambiguity. 915 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,120 In section two, it says, "Which has at 916 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,760 least 250 sq ft of total landscaped 917 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,400 area." I'm not entirely sure why that's 918 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,120 in there. The smallest lot that the city 919 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,360 has 920 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,480 for single-family residential is 7,000 921 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,080 sq ft. 922 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,600 You're going to have a lot more than 250 923 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,560 sq ft of landscaping. 924 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,960 And so, I just wanted to remove that, 925 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,920 stating that all lots 926 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,080 uh that have received preliminary plan approval after April 927 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,000 1st, 2023, 928 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,080 uh can have no more than 50% of the 929 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560 front and side yards landscaped 930 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,520 as natural grass. 931 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,680 And then, the last sentence, where it 932 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,040 says, "Where irrigation is needed for 933 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,160 plantings outside of lawn areas shall be 934 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,080 of a drip style irrigation system." 935 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,120 That's just worded a little strangely. 936 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,480 So, these are the amendments that we're 937 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,360 proposing. 938 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,840 Number one, to add to remove the areas 939 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520 on lot less than 8 ft in width. 940 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,680 To strike the 250 sq ft 941 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,680 uh language, and then just to reword 942 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,200 some of the things. You will note that 943 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,080 we did put a change in there regarding 944 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,000 artificial turf. 945 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,760 Now, the planning commission 946 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,760 questioned staff on this and and staff 947 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,040 was not prepared at that time to address 948 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,480 our concerns the way I wanted to. 949 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,720 Uh the reason why we are recommending 950 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,160 that we 951 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,960 limit the use of artificial turf in a in 952 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,600 a landscaped area 953 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,502 is there are some 954 00:32:55,502 --> 00:32:55,680 >> [snorts] 955 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,360 >> ripple effects that come with using 956 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,640 artificial turf. Number one, 957 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,600 they're they haven't perfected 958 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,200 artificial turf to be cool. 959 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,920 I mean, you can run water pipe like 960 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,440 sports fields, they run water pipes 961 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,440 underneath it and it'll keep it cool. 962 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,760 But, it absorbs heat and it gets very 963 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,000 hot. So, if somebody's entire yard is 964 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,480 turf, 965 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,080 it could serve to increase the heat 966 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,000 island effect. I mean, it gets very hot 967 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,800 under direct sunlight. 968 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,360 The other issue is it's not permeable 969 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,400 for storm water. So, if somebody covers 970 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,800 their whole yard in AstroTurf or 971 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,440 artificial turf, 972 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,320 are we creating flooding issues on the 973 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,040 adjacent properties? 974 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,560 They come right straight to the city and 975 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,960 complain, causes problems. 976 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,920 And so, we wanted to limit that to 50% 977 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,840 to try and mitigate some of those issues 978 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,440 and limit it to 979 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000 being more of a decorative 980 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000 uh aspect for front yard side yard 981 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,960 landscaping. The Planning Commission 982 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,000 wanted it to be If somebody wants to do 983 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,440 their whole yard, that's that's up to 984 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,160 the person. 985 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,760 And then the last sentence is just 986 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,920 changing it so it it's a little easier 987 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,640 to understand. 988 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,200 Uh this is the ordinance after the edits 989 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,000 have been done. 990 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,920 I don't know if you want me to read it 991 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,159 or not, but 992 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,080 that's uh the the last sentence 993 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,639 especially is the irrigation needed for 994 00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,360 plantings outside of lawn areas shall be 995 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,879 of the drip style irrigation system. 996 00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:18,320 Much easier to understand. 997 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,560 Uh just to mention, the Planning 998 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,080 Commission did did hear this at the 999 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,000 April 22nd meeting. 1000 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,960 Uh they did recommend it in favor if of 1001 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,280 a of the ordinance amendment with a 1002 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,760 couple of changes. I have reflected 1003 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,159 those changes here, so this is the 1004 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:32,960 Planning commission edits. 1005 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,960 They wanted me to move the approved 1006 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,040 after April 1st, 2023 1007 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,304 uh to the chapter heading. 1008 00:34:40,304 --> 00:34:40,560 >> [snorts] 1009 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,600 >> And then 1010 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,159 um also remove the language regarding limitations on 1011 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,000 the use of turf. 1012 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,360 Uh so, those are the proposals we're 1013 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,159 making. Again, not not many there's 1014 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,040 nothing really substantially changing 1015 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,240 here other than the turf. It's just more 1016 00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:57,320 of a 1017 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,560 let's clean up this ordinance. 1018 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:00,920 If you have any questions, I'm happy to 1019 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,440 answer them for you. 1020 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,800 This is on your business meeting later 1021 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,504 tonight as well. So. 1022 00:35:06,504 --> 00:35:06,840 >> [clears throat] 1023 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,960 >> I'm glad you explained that 1024 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,480 turf thing because, 1025 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,840 you know, I know Ed and I were sitting 1026 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,520 in there and listening to it and I understood where he was coming from, 1027 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,920 but I also didn't know the answers as to 1028 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,640 why. 1029 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:21,600 So, it's good to get the 1030 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,920 >> Yeah, that's That was one of the main 1031 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,200 concerns is is the heat. 1032 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,320 I mean, if you've ever stepped on an 1033 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,960 athletic field that's turf during the 1034 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,400 summer, it's 150°. 1035 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,120 And that's going to radiate on under the 1036 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,000 house and it's going to increase It's 1037 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,360 just hot. 1038 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,080 They do have mechanisms to cool it, but 1039 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,720 you have to run water through the pipes 1040 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,360 underneath it and it's expensive to do 1041 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,680 that. I don't think most residential 1042 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,120 property owners are going to do that. 1043 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,760 Um 1044 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,880 you know, it looks okay. We have I have 1045 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,080 some neighbors that have used it in 1046 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,520 their front yard. It looks nice. 1047 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,360 You have to vacuum it. You don't mow it, 1048 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,000 you vacuum it. 1049 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,240 Um 1050 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:59,120 I don't know, it just says having 1051 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,520 There's just some issues there that we 1052 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,320 just want to be aware of if we're going 1053 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,240 to let them do the whole yard. 1054 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,000 So, this is for new development, 1055 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,880 correct? 1056 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,880 Is there anything that stops someone 1057 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,120 from putting in sod after the 1058 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,160 development's completed? Like into a 1059 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,590 park strip? 1060 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,440 Code enforcement. 1061 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,880 I mean, really, that's what it comes 1062 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,480 down to. And 1063 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,760 our code enforcement department is 1064 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,760 pretty busy right now. But we could go 1065 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,800 into a a development that was built 1066 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,760 after 2023 and let's say someone put in 1067 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,920 sod in their park strip and we know it 1068 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,920 was prohibited at the time. We could go 1069 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,800 ask them to remove it and say you're 1070 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,080 in violation of the ordinance. 1071 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,640 >> Yes, we could. Okay. Yep. Cuz I think I 1072 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,280 think we do need to get to a point where 1073 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,920 we don't have sod in really any park 1074 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,320 strip in the community and 1075 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,960 the only way to start doing that, right, 1076 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,960 is to stop it from happening to begin 1077 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,040 with, but we have to make sure that 1078 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,240 they're not 1079 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:01,120 doing it after the development, so. 1080 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080 Yeah, we're trying to send out a a a a 1081 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,680 postcard 1082 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,880 uh with every building permit 1083 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,360 basically explaining this ordinance to 1084 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,000 new new homes that are coming in 1085 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,240 and um 1086 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,640 trying to educate these people or these 1087 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,480 new homeowners uh with the limitations 1088 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480 on sod in their yards. 1089 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,520 I- I- It is a difficult enforcement 1090 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,760 issue because we are limited in the 1091 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,560 number of staff that we have to do this, 1092 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,680 but um 1093 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,720 we could enforce it if we wanted to go around and enforce 1094 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,320 it, we could. 1095 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,320 Okay. 1096 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,200 I got a really 1097 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,760 dumb question. 1098 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,840 So, back in the day there'd be the 1099 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,280 rounded up curbs and then the sidewalk 1100 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,200 went right from there, so there wasn't a 1101 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,080 park strip. 1102 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,480 Why did we start doing park strips? 1103 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,560 hold utilities. Okay. 1104 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:52,960 Yep. 1105 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,320 >> So, that's why the 1106 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,720 >> of a lot of there's buried utilities. 1107 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,520 Usually, I believe it's the water line 1108 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,560 and 1109 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,360 electrical. 1110 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,880 Paul, what what utilities we put in park 1111 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,120 strips typically? Well, we we typically 1112 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,920 put them behind the sidewalk. 1113 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,920 The primary purpose for the the park 1114 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,906 strip started to become a 1115 00:38:09,906 --> 00:38:13,270 >> [snorts] 1116 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,840 » In some of the older neighborhoods, they 1117 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,480 are in the park strip. 1118 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,320 We try to not put them there anymore 1119 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,280 because that's where we plant trees. 1120 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,760 Mhm. And we don't want the tree root 1121 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,400 conflict with utilities in there. 1122 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,080 But the park strip is beneficial to the 1123 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,040 city because one it keeps the pedestrian 1124 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,800 away from the road. 1125 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,080 It's safe for that regard and two it 1126 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,040 gives a place for snow to go when they 1127 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,760 plow the streets rather than onto the 1128 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,320 sidewalk. 1129 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,720 So it it really has a number of 1130 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,280 different reasons. 1131 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,080 In new developments we put the utilities 1132 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,400 then behind the sidewalk but we like 1133 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,120 that park strip. Remember when we used 1134 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,440 to get snow? I should say. When we were 1135 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,320 kids. Yeah. 1136 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,040 But it but it also protects the 1137 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,760 public. Keeps them away from the street 1138 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,390 a little bit. 1139 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,120 My parents live in a house that doesn't 1140 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,440 have a park strip and yeah the snow it 1141 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,560 gets pushed right on the sidewalk and in 1142 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,200 a big snowstorm it takes you a week to 1143 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,840 clear it so 1144 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,080 it's definitely needed. I just don't 1145 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,040 think we want sod. 1146 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,640 And then I think we have I thought we 1147 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,240 passed an ordinance that you can't plant 1148 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:19,960 a tree in certain park strips, Kurt. 1149 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,680 Yeah, if a park strip's narrower than 5 1150 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,120 ft you can't plant a tree. If it's 5 to 1151 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,200 8 ft it has to be a small size tree 1152 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,640 and if it's a large tree it has to be 8 1153 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,160 ft or wider. 1154 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,120 Yeah, that's the street tree selection 1155 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,590 list. 1156 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,680 Any more discussion? 1157 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,280 Okay, I think it's a good change. I 1158 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,440 think we're moving in the right 1159 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,320 direction. We're getting there little by 1160 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,240 little. Thank you, council. Thanks, 1161 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,720 Andrew. 1162 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,160 Okay, that concludes our discussion 1163 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,240 items. There's nothing for closed 1164 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:53,240 meeting tonight so 1165 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:57,040 our next item is to adjourn at 6:09 p.m. 1166 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,120 and then we will reconvene at 7:00 p.m. 1167 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,400 starting with the in RDA meeting.