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Good. Good afternoon. Um,

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notice is given that the Tula City

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Council and the Redevelopment Agency of

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Tula City will meet at the work meeting

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on today, Wednesday, June 3rd at 5:30

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p.m. The meeting will be held in the 20

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Tula City Hall chamber council chambers

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located at 90 North Main Street.

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The complete public notice is posted on

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the on the

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Utah Public Way website.

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Um, we'll go ahead and start our

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meeting, our opening a meeting, um, with

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a roll call. Um,

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Councilman McCall,

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>> present.

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>> Councilman Gossip,

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>> present.

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>> Uh, Councilwoman Goes,

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>> present.

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>> And I'm Councilman Hansen, present. We

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will go on to item three, which is the

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mayor's report.

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>> Thank you, council. Um, I don't have a

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ton tonight. I do have um one letter

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that I received from a resident about

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the cemetery [clears throat]

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and how great it looks. So, I think it's

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good to express appreciation when we get

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some of the positive news cuz we get a

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lot of negative. And so, just express

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appreciation to our seasonal workers and

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the we contract out some of the work and

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our parks department for making the

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cemetery look great, especially for

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Memorial Day. It's important. So, with

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that and then upcoming we have a lot of

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Fourth of July activities. So, those

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should be on your calendar.

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Um, and hopefully you'll be able to

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attend many of the Fourth of July

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activities and the things building up to

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the Fourth of July and just um that and

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I do have one announcement and that is

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that we have chosen the Grand Marshall

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for the Fourth of July parade and that

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is Jod D England. So, hopefully you all

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know who that is and if you don't,

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you'll find out who that is. It's all

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the rest of town. So excited about that

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and that's all I have to report tonight.

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>> Thank you, mayor. appreciate that. We'll

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go on to our council members report.

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We'll start with Councilman McCall.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Um I attended today um um

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ribbon cutting which was actually pretty

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good and um I think um I have a JPAC

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meeting tomorrow

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and that that's about it.

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>> All right. Thanks Dave. Uh, Council

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Gossip.

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>> Uh, yeah. I Well, Dave and I both

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attended the Arts Council meeting uh

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where we talked about the renovations of

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uh the theater and

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we both also attended the Children's

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Justice Center meeting and we talked a

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little bit about uh recognizing the

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troubled youth for all the things that

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they've done. I talked to the mayor

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about it uh in

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[clears throat and snorts] our meeting

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and and sounds like that's kind of

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happening. and we just didn't didn't uh

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bring it up the way we probably should

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have and let him know that that's

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already in place. But uh then we also

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did the Habitat for Humanity with the

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governor. So that was a good event. So

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that's all I've got. All right. Thank

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you. And Councilwoman Goas is going to

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save her report for next time when she's

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here in person. Also, uh I went to and

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met with the governor, the whatever that

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was called, right? Habitat for

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>> up at uh the house is just north of the Harris Switch Point Center. And uh of course, I went to the cemetery

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and they do an awesome job. I mean, the

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grass was green, it was cut, it was

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wonderful.

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Maybe I shouldn't, but still we have a

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few cemetery plots up there. So my wife

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thought all of us should lay down on the

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ground and find our spot, you know.

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down there and we took a picture and it

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was pretty pretty fun, you know. You saw

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that picture? Yeah.

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>> Yeah. So anyway, it was fun to be there.

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Sad to be there, but fun to be there and think about your uh people that have

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>> Okay. Can I add one thing? I just I just

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got a note that our ribbon cutting from

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today was on KSL tonight. So when you go

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home, make sure you look on KSL and look

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for Electra Flow.

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>> Twill is growing. It is exciting.

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marshal and the 4th of July came events

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coming up. I'm excited for them. Also, I

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failed to do this at the beginning of

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the meeting, but I uh excuse Councilman

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Brady. He's off Costa Rica with his son

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uh graduation fund. So, and we

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appreciate him. All right, we will move

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on to our discussion items and we're

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going to start with our fraud risk

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assessment assessment

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presented by Shannon Whmer.

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» Good evening, council. Um this is just

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our annual presentation of the fraud

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risk assessment which as you know is

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required each year by the state. um the

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assessment hasn't changed in several

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years and so our score also um hasn't

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changed. We are at low um of 355 or I

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guess very low is above 355. So we've

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we're right there. Um I'm happy to

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answer any questions about it, but

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basically this assessment just goes

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through and make sure that we have

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proper procedures um and training and

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that in place to keep our fraud risk as

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low as we can at Tool City.

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score on because we don't have our own

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audit department, right? Yeah.

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right. So, that otherwise we'd be way

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high,

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>> All right. Thank you.

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>> Next, we have you on there still on the

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schedule for a budget discussion. Um

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here we go. We're ready.

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>> All right. So, um I just uh tried to get

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a brief presentation more for the

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benefit of the public. I know that the

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council has [clears throat] been

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involved in in the preparation of the

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budget. We've had prior meetings. We had

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our budget kickoff meeting. Um you've

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all had a chance now to review the

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tenative budget that we provided on the

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first meeting of May. Um and so when we

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get to the end, if you still have

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specific questions, I'm happy to answer

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those. But for the benefit of the

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public, I'll just go through a few

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things um of the budget that we've been

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working on. We we did a little bit of

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this when we presented the tenative

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budget to you. So this slide is that

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same slide from that presentation. Um

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but basically that our budget priorities

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for our operating budget is to fund

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ongoing expenses [clears throat] such as

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personnel operation and maintenance and

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day-to-day operations to provide city

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services. So, the only big changes um

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some of them aren't even big

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from last year though is our annual

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increases in salaries and benefits. This

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is just for [clears throat] your annual

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step increases and your COLA adjustment

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which I believe is 2.5%. Uh this year

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any adjustments that we have in

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insurance costs um or any retirement

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cost adjustments that they have. So,

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those are just normal every year

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adjustments. Those have been put into

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the operating budget. This budget also

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includes three new positions, um, which

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department now that they're down at

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their building and and growing and and

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their call volume is increasing so much

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they are getting an assistant down

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there. and then a position for our IT

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department um which is also in need of a

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lot of help to keep our network secure

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and the city secure and keep us all up

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and running. It also includes stipens

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for the fire department and this is

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their program that they're going to

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implement to address the growing demands

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for that volunteer fire department and

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their increasing calls. And then um just

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some minor adjustments like in operation

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and maintenance due to fuel and

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inflationary costs. Um so that's it for

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the operating budget. So I just thought

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I would go through our capital projects

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and equipment. Um several years ago um

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when we had to do our large tax

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increase, one of the things that we were

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not doing before that time was having a

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great good plan in place to keep up on

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our maintenance and our replacement of

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our equipment. And so everything was

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failing. We didn't have the money to

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replace it and we needed everything all

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at once which just really wasn't

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good in my opinion obviously and growing

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capital projects and equipment program

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where we are getting the equipment that

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the departments need to provide the

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services to the city and also to replace

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the old aging equipment um so that we

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can keep providing the level of service

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that the citizens come to expect of the

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city. Um so a few things that are on

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that list for this year. We're getting a

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new welcome sign at the north end of

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Tula and we will continue our 50/50

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sidewalk program

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um that residents can pay 50% and the

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city will pay 50% to get their sidewalk

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replaced in front of their homes. The

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animal shelter is replacing an aging

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vehicle um and getting a cargo van so

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they can transport the animals. Uh the

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aquatic center is replacing their

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overhead lights down at the pool.

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truck. They're also going to pave some

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additional parking over there. And they this upgrade to the irrigation

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sections of the cemetery each year um to

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get that irrigation system upgraded so

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that we are watering as efficiently as

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we possibly can up there. And then

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community development is going to

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replace a vehicle for their inspectors.

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new vehicles for their they're going to

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start an on call rotation. And then, as

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firet truck and that's on a 7-year

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lease. So, that expense will be in the

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budget for the next 7 years. And then at

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the golf course, we plan to do the net

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repair from the range. As you know, um

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that was damaged in one of our storms.

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And so, we will get that range net

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repaired. They're also going to get a

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deep tine airator and do some other uh

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repairs to the driving range up there.

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station irrigation control system.

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upgrades of the irrigation system up

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there to try and be as efficient as we

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possibly can with the water that's

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needed for the golf course. And then

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just some regular maintenance to the

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clubhouse, which is they're going to for

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the exterior, they're going to redo the

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roof, some maintenance on the deck, and

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some rain gutters.

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In our IT department, we're going to

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upgrade data center hardware. Um, as you

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know, it it's in constant need of

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replacement so we can keep um in pace

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with the changing technology and to keep

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our systems safe. Um, and they're also

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going to put [clears throat]

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a H2O system that we have that is in our

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server room and replace that with a

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non-reactive gas system. Um, again to

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better protect our um

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our hardware systems and our information

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systems that we have down there. The

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library is going to complete the

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Zeroscape project that they have already

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started. Um, they've just been trying to

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piece that together with the budgets as

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they can. So this year it will complete

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the projects that they want to do down

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there to have that properties escaped.

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And the museum is going to put in

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several new sidewalks and make them ADA

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accessible um and put sidewalk into

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their ticket booth and things like that

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to improve the experience up at the

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museum. And then of course trees

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irrigation and zero escape for the

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grounds which is always ongoing up

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there. The parks department is going to

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get a mini X with a trailer. They're

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going to get a generator for that new

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building and then replace fences at the

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ball fields and that's just again an

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ongoing thing to keep those um in good

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repair. They're going to upgrade the

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lights at the Red Dell Papafield and

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they're also researching um the

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possibility of a new registration and

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reservation software.

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And the police department is going to

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get some new forensic software. This

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will help them in in their

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investigations. Um, and then body camera

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systems, uh, a renewal, either a new

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system or renewing the system that they

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have, an Axon taser VR training

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software, and then traffic officer safety equipment for the

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new motorcycle officer that we um, will

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be putting out on the road in our public

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buildings. will be replacing the chiller

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at the library and HVAC. And then we are

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getting an area lift for building

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maintenance which will serve at several

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of the buildings, city hall, the fire

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station, the aquatic center um so that

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we can perform our own maintenance and

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that we don't have to hire out external

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companies for some of those things.

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The public works campus um will still be

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doing an additional upgrade to their

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parking lot down there. Um, at the shops

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they're getting new swamp coolers for

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their repair base and a new oil chain

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system. In the streets, they're um

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getting vehicle replacements.

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So, that's it for the general fund. Um,

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in the PAR tax fund, we will be building

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a new stage for Tula City at the city

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park um and replacing the tile in the

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leisure pool. And then we have our park

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impact fees and we will be completing

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the project at the wigwam park and we

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will start the design of the boulevard bike park.

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And then we have our enterprise funds.

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So in the water fund, they'll be getting

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a couple of replacement vehicles and a

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10-wheel dump truck. Um we're hoping to

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get some new radio read satellite

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software. We currently have radio read

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software, but this will allow us to put

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up um satellites that will radio read

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those meters that have radio read on

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them. It also allows us and the

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residents to be able to access real-time

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data on their water usage, which will

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help them when they're trying to

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identify leaks and usage. Um so that

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will be an amazing benefit to both the

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city and the resident. uh when we can

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get that implemented.

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We also continue our water line

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replacements to keep um our

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infrastructure in good repair and we

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will be completing the well projects

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that we currently have going

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in the wastewater. They are also getting

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some vehicle replacements and they will

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get two UTVs to help them with their

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treatment operations and a front-end

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loader that is also needed for the

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treatment operations. the solar dryer

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equipment. That's the big part of the

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upgrade that we've already approved that

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contract for. And then of course, we're

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working right now on completing all of

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the projects that we will be putting out

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for a bond for the wastewater treatment

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plant. And in the storm drain, we have a

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few projects that we'll do, but the main

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projects are going to be the Seventh

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Street, Broadway, and 600 North storm

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drains.

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Does anybody have any questions on the

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budget or anything I can answer before I

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move on to long-term debt?

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>> I don't.

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>> Mel, do you have any questions?

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>> No questions. Thank you.

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>> Okay.

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So, the the last thing I just kind

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of wanted to go over is our long-term

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debt. Um, we've done a great job um in

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the last many years of of getting our

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debt paid down. We've paid off in 2025.

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We paid off the MBA bonds which were for

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city hall library, the golf clubhouse.

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We paid off the sales tax revenue bonds

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which built the aquatic center, um

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several road projects, and then our

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share of the TATC.

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And in 2026, we will pay off a water

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bond that we had for water

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infrastructure.

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So, that leaves us with our remaining

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long-term debt, and I just put the dates

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that those will be paid off. We do still

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have a bond that will be paid off in

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2027 on one for the 1000 North

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construction. Um, in 2035 there, we will

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pay off a sewer bond that we had when we

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built the original plant. And then in

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2036, we'll pay off the judgment levy

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bond. And then we have our new newest

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bonds of the police station and the fire

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station. So that summarizes all of our

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long-term debt. Um, that that's part of

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the budget. Um, so that basically wraps

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up all of all of the budget and

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everything that the highlights I guess

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that are in it. Obviously, it's a huge

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budget, but we do have the budget book

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online if anybody would like to go and

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look [clears throat] at it. Is it is on

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our web page. Um, you can also review a

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hard copy here at city hall if you'd

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like. And so, happy to answer any

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questions.

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>> When you look at it, it's a lot to look

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at.

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>> It's a lot to look at, but I think if

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you look at that budget book, they've

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done a great job at making it

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self-explanatory and it's not just a

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bunch of numbers that you're trying to

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figure out. Um, so the budget book is

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it's really worth your time if you're

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interested. It's my department and

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stuff. So, it really does help out to to

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recognize what's going on there.

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>> Even though it's like a lot of hate

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stuff,

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>> but I appreciate that. I I appreciate

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Shannon. Thank you for that.

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>> You and your team have done a great job.

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>> Yeah. Agreed.

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>> Even though I don't have a great

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time looking at all those pages and

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numbers, but

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>> Exactly.

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>> All right. Thank you.

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>> Okay. Okay, we'll move to discussion

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item C, which is a discussion of the

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recently enacted Utah code uh 10-3-72.1,

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regulatory impacts on families,

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presented by Matthew Johnson, our city

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attorney. Thanks, Matt.

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>> Thanks. Good evening. Um, with the 2026

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uh general session of the state

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legislature, we're catching up on things

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that we need to do to uh to to make sure

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we're still in compliance. This is one

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of the easier ones, so I won't spend a

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lot of time on it, but uh Senate Bill

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232 um made a requirement not just for

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cities, but for other government

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agencies like counties and and some

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state agencies to consider the family

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when when uh making uh rules or

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ordinances specifically for the city.

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They enacted this the um 10-3-72.1

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which is in which is in the packet. Um

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it it's not an ownorous uh requirement

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on on municipalities,

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but it does require um that this that

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the city council consider the impact of

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any proposed ordinance

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uh that the impact it may have on family

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health stability and formation.

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[clears throat]

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Um it doesn't define exactly what that

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consideration has to look like. It

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doesn't require that anything in

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particular goes on the record or that

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there be any particular discussion on

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it. Um it doesn't define what family

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health, family stability or family

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formation mean exactly. Uh so um it's a

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little open. I I know this council is uh

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great at considering the family and

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everything, but uh I just want to be

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clear. doesn't require that every single

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ordinance that that this council

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considers that okay, let's stop and have

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a family impact discussion. Um, but

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certainly on the ones that it that

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warranted it, that would make sense. It

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doesn't require it for resolutions. So,

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those resolutions for contracts or

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things like that, this doesn't apply.

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It's only ordinances. Um, and it's worth

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noting that if anyone were to allege

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that the city failed to do that, it

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doesn't mean that it invalidates the

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ordinance. it doesn't create a cause of

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action so that they can sue the city.

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Um, so one step that that my office is

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taking just to uh to to try to comply

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with this is is we're putting um just

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standard language into every ordinance

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there. There's some on the calendar on

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the agenda tonight just that says the last whereases uh the city council

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has specifically considered the

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potential impact of this ordinance that

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this ordinance may have on family health

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stability and formation. Um so that'll

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be from now on until it's changed or one

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way or the other that'll be in each

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ordinance that's that's before this

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council.

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» All right. Any questions from the

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council?

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>> No.

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>> All right. Well, thanks Matt. Appreciate

541
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it.

542
00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:32,880
>> Thank you. Thanks.

543
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,720
>> Okay. We'll move on to the discussion

544
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,760
item D. Discussion on a proposed text

545
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,760
amendment of Tula City code 7-118-17

546
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,760
design standards walls and fences

547
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,600
regarding an exception to the current

548
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,080
fencing requirement when a new

549
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,000
multifamily residential project is

550
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,400
constructed adjacent to an existing

551
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,720
single family residential development

552
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,880
where fencing has already been installed

553
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,440
and that will be presented by Anna

554
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:07,510
England our city planner.

555
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,880
Hi, how are you?

556
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,919
>> Good. How are you?

557
00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:13,360
>> Good. Um, so this is a city initiated

558
00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:16,480
text amendment to our city code chapter

559
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,480
716B6.

560
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,559
It's considering landscaping for section

561
00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:23,919
C of the heavy industrial section of the

562
00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:26,400
uh Tilla City Business Park. M

563
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,880
>> so [clears throat] back in 2024 we had

564
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,440
changed the landscaping requirements for

565
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,640
heavier or industrial um areas in the um

566
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,039
city and uh what we did is we we removed

567
00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:42,880
landscaping requirements for parking

568
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,000
lots. Eliminated the required 15t front

569
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,480
yard landscaping requirement. Eliminated

570
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,039
the requirement to landscape the park

571
00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:51,919
strip.

572
00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:54,000
>> Sorry council. Can can I interrupt?

573
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,600
>> I'm sorry. I just want to be sure that

574
00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,159
we're I I think we're on the 7-11-17

575
00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:02,240
uh defense requirement. Is that the one

576
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:02,880
that the

577
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:03,280
>> Is it

578
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,640
>> That's the one we should That's the one

579
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,240
we should be on. I think we're on the

580
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,200
wrong

581
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:07,760
>> Sorry.

582
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,320
>> 7-11 11-17. So this is um is an

583
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,560
applicant driven text amendment um

584
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,159
[clears throat] to Tula city code 711A17

585
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:22,559
regarding multifamily residential design

586
00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,039
guidelines for fencing when fencing is

587
00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:28,640
required next to an existing fence. So

588
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,880
this is when um developers are trying to

589
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,640
um develop a property for multifamily or

590
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,880
um plan development or something along

591
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,080
those lines and then um it's adjacent to

592
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,720
a single family or commercial zone. A

593
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,039
solid fence with equally spaced columns

594
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:49,679
or peers is required. However, on

595
00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:51,600
occasion, the single family development

596
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,480
has an existing fence

597
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,480
and so um the current fencing ordinance

598
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,960
does not provide any mechanism whereby

599
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,919
the fencing situation can be addressed.

600
00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:06,159
Developers will usually end up

601
00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:07,919
constructing the fence immediately

602
00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:10,320
adjacent to the existing fence and then

603
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,760
the results would be [clears throat]

604
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,640
a fence within a fence space that

605
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,960
collects weeds and garbage and then

606
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,159
halfhazard fencing and then a lack of

607
00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:24,336
cohesiveness within the fences. So

608
00:23:24,336 --> 00:23:25,840
[clears throat] um the applicant

609
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,600
proposed a language or language to uh

610
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,320
change it to address this issue. And

611
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,280
then um the first one would be provide a

612
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,120
method where an exception may be granted

613
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:39,039
by the city council relieving the

614
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:42,240
applica applicant of installing the

615
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,960
vertical columns or peers and then set

616
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,520
criteria where an exception may be

617
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,600
granted involving the subject property

618
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,559
line as has fencing that has already

619
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,880
been installed previously by adjacent

620
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,440
property owners. The fencing is not

621
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,720
visible from major public roadways. The

622
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,400
proposed fencing is consistent with the

623
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,600
city's development standards and st and

624
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,120
the standards for the surrounding

625
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,600
development. [snorts] The modifications

626
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,919
create a more cohesive and uniform

627
00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:16,000
appearance incorporating adjacent

628
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,799
fencing. And then it demonstrates that

629
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:20,960
the addition of columns or peers would

630
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,240
create conflict with adjacent fencing

631
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,799
that's already existing. Approval of

632
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:31,360
such exception shall be by city council.

633
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,840
It did go to planning commission and

634
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,559
they did forward a recommendation. There

635
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,880
was a pretty lengthy discussion on

636
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,960
property rights with the single family

637
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,320
households and homes and then um the new

638
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,200
development and and that type of thing.

639
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,200
And then so on May 13th at their regular

640
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,200
meeting, planning commission forwarded a

641
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,360
positive recommendation for the proposed

642
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:56,880
ordinance amendment [clears throat]

643
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,480
with the following additional

644
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,000
conditions.

645
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240
That exception request be reviewed

646
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,880
administratively by staff instead of

647
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,960
city council. that developers

648
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,279
communicate with affected property

649
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:12,400
owners and obtain affidavit bids

650
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,279
documenting the property owners approval

651
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:17,440
or opposition

652
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,320
and that affected property owners be

653
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,720
allowed to request a public hearing when

654
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,400
the planning commission with the

655
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,960
planning commission if they um disagree

656
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,760
with the staff decision. So the way it

657
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,200
would look is [clears throat] this. The

658
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,919
blue is all of what the applicant has

659
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:40,720
proposed um to go in place of um the

660
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,080
section of ordinance. The red is what

661
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,799
planning commission proposed and then um

662
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:53,440
the green is what staff is proposing. So

663
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,200
um it would it would basically say all

664
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,520
perimeter fence shall have vertical

665
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,200
sections such as columns or peers spaced

666
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,799
at regular intervals between 8 and 10 ft

667
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:09,600
exception for existing applicant fencing

668
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,480
and limited in specific circumstances.

669
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,559
The community development director may

670
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,760
approve a deviation from including the

671
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,320
modification or elimination of the

672
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,799
required visit vertical sections,

673
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,600
columns or peers where all the following

674
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,360
conditions are met. Um so the subject

675
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,679
property line is adjacent to a parcel

676
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:33,919
where fencing has already been installed

677
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:36,640
by the adjacent property owner prior to

678
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,080
development at of the project. The

679
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,440
proposed um fencing is not visible for

680
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,480
major arterial or collector roadways as

681
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,720
determined by the city's transportation

682
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,559
master plan. Um the proposed fencing

683
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:55,279
material color and overall design are

684
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,279
consistent with the standards outlined

685
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:59,120
in the section and compatible with

686
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,000
surrounding developments. Um the

687
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,039
modification results in a cohesive and

688
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,279
compatible appearance with the existing

689
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,400
adjacent fencing. And then the applicant

690
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,400
demonstrates that the installation of

691
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,440
required columns or peers would create

692
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,559
unnecessary redundancy or conflict with

693
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:23,200
the existing adjacent fencing. And then

694
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,360
uh planning commission also wanted to

695
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,159
include that the applicant shall provide

696
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:30,159
written affidavits from all affected

697
00:27:30,159 --> 00:27:32,720
property owners owners indicating

698
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,000
approval of the exception and that the

699
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,919
applicant or effective property owners

700
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:40,400
may request a hearing with planning

701
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,559
commission if there is a disagreement

702
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:44,480
with the decision of the community

703
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,880
development director. And then the

704
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,640
planning commission shall not be the

705
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,720
arbiter of um fencing or fencing line

706
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,480
disagreements

707
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,960
um between the applicant and adjacent

708
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,279
property owners. So

709
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,559
any questions

710
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:06,720
>> comments maybe you're I've got a

711
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,679
question. How many adjacent

712
00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:12,960
homeowners are affected by this?

713
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,600
I mean it can be anywhere from one or

714
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,320
two to like 10. It depends on the size

715
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,480
of the project that is going in next

716
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,440
door

717
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,159
or 20 or you know I mean it's it could

718
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:30,320
be quite a few people

719
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,039
you have questions. No.

720
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,600
>> Um I was just like the planning

721
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,440
commission it says shall not be the

722
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240
arbiter of fencing and fence line

723
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,799
disagreements. Who who will be?

724
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:43,840
>> So who the person

725
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,720
>> that would still that would still be a

726
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,520
um civil matter between the um the two

727
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,840
property owners. They would have to

728
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,240
decide on that. And then um

729
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,159
uh what it is mainly is that if

730
00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:06,080
somebody's feeling that um city staff

731
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,320
made an incorrect decision, they can

732
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,039
come in and talk to

733
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,840
um planning commission and explain why

734
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,600
they feel that way about it. So that

735
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,039
would be the purpose for this.

736
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,200
It seems like it really complicates it

737
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,679
to you have to get a written permission

738
00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:27,200
from all the property owners you come

739
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,240
next to and then deal with that. It just

740
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,480
seems real complicated. I don't know if

741
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,640
that's I don't know if I'm for that part

742
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,039
of it. It just seems like uh we could

743
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,440
make a decision of a council that that

744
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,120
makes no sense to have two fences right

745
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,799
together. That absolutely makes no

746
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:44,799
sense. So, we need to make it so that

747
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,440
doesn't have to happen. But we also need

748
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,039
to make it so it's not more work than it

749
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,880
does to just have the two fences and and

750
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,600
fix the garbage. So, and uh so I I'm not

751
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,880
sure that should be there. I mean,

752
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,679
whether it's made some way different,

753
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:02,399
you know, or I don't know. Maybe uh

754
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:04,159
Matt, do you have any ideas on that?

755
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,960
You're looking over here like you might.

756
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,760
>> Um I don't know that I have ideas. I I I

757
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720
can I I think um as Miss England

758
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,559
described the the planning commission

759
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,000
was having some tension between yes, it

760
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,320
makes sense not to have the two fences,

761
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,080
but are we going to make private um

762
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,760
residential

763
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,000
homeowners who own their own fence

764
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,320
require them to hook into their fence

765
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,000
and have their fence serve as as the

766
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,559
fence for for the uh for the new

767
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:38,640
development? Yeah. And that that was their goal is to try to resolve

768
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,520
that.

769
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,679
>> Yeah. And I I get that part of it. I

770
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:44,080
mean, I'm just trying to think of my

771
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,159
life and being around town and if I

772
00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:48,000
build a house and there's a back fence

773
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
at somebody else's. I've never went and

774
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,679
got permission to share the fence. So, I

775
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:54,240
just not sure if that's a necessary

776
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,636
thing or maybe it is nowadays

777
00:30:55,636 --> 00:30:56,159
[clears throat]

778
00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:58,159
in the world we live in now.

779
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:00,799
>> It could be. It could also be we could

780
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,159
do some type of noticing where we send

781
00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:06,159
out a notice to the adjacent property

782
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:08,000
owners that are being affected and

783
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,600
giving them like a 10-day comment period

784
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,360
similar to like a conditional use

785
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,600
approval except for this would be a

786
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,480
special exception. And then if we don't

787
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,399
get any any issues or any any anybody

788
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:25,200
requesting a public or a meeting public

789
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,840
meeting with planning commission then we

790
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,240
can approve it administratively.

791
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,880
Um we could simplify it maybe by doing

792
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,240
something like that.

793
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,480
>> So yeah I like that idea. where if

794
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,919
somebody's affected by the planning

795
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:39,440
commission, they send out a letter

796
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,200
within 200 feet or whatever it happens

797
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,159
to be and

798
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:43,840
>> and they get a chance to do it that way

799
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,640
rather than require every property owner

800
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,159
to respond to it.

801
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:51,440
>> It it it and again I'm I'm probably out

802
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,039
there, but it seems to me because doing

803
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,600
that is is is good. I I honestly think

804
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,799
that would work in a sense. But if um

805
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:05,360
someone's like you that take trips and

806
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,679
work away from here and you're gone for

807
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:09,679
2 weeks, you know what I mean? And that

808
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:11,200
letter comes just before you, you know

809
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,799
what I mean? You miss it, so you don't

810
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,320
have no say. The other thing is it it

811
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,159
seems that if a developer is going to

812
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:22,480
develop some property and put homes

813
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,679
there and there are already homes next

814
00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:27,679
to it and they're going to put a fence

815
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:29,600
up. It seems to me that that shouldn't

816
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,200
necessarily be the city's problem. That

817
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,960
should be that developer's problem. And

818
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,360
one that developer in my mind should

819
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,440
contact all those residents and say,

820
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,399
"Hey, this is what we would like to do.

821
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,720
we would put a fence and we would remove

822
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,080
your fence and put up another fence. To

823
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,840
me, that would solve everybody's

824
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,320
problems and and it won't affect the

825
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,120
homeowners because the it it just seems

826
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,559
that we're we're putting the homeowners

827
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:55,919
in a position to where they got to

828
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:57,760
defend their fence.

829
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,799
>> You know what I mean? They they

830
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,080
shouldn't have to defend their fence.

831
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,760
And that that's been some of the

832
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,679
problems is that they don't want their

833
00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:05,760
fence to be taken down, but then they

834
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,039
have this but then the developer has

835
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:12,399
this requirement to add a fence with the

836
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:15,760
columns. So then then there it goes back

837
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,919
to the issue of having the two fences

838
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:19,679
next to each other that's kind of no

839
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:20,799
man's land

840
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,279
>> and where all the debris and you know

841
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,679
weeds and all that kind of things

842
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:28,480
accumulate. So, um,

843
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,880
>> it's just it's a, you know, this is a

844
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,120
suggestion to try and and solve a

845
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,519
problem, you know. So,

846
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,440
>> I was going to say we have where I live,

847
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,480
we actually had something similar. So, I

848
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,039
live in a condominium association and

849
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,919
there was our fence and then the people

850
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:48,720
came in and built a fence just beyond

851
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,760
it. And I can think of two times

852
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,159
probably the last 15 years that wildlife

853
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:56,000
has got stuck in between the two fences

854
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,320
and died and then it smells and you

855
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,760
can't get them out and and uh so I just

856
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,080
think that's

857
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,519
silly and not productive to have that

858
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:11,040
open space between them. But uh

859
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,960
and maybe I'm way off, but if you

860
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,119
require that of the developer to go in

861
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,159
and do the columns, is it possible to

862
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,159
just where it meets the other

863
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,040
properties, not require the columns

864
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,399
because you'd have columns everywhere

865
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:29,119
else? It just would be

866
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:30,000
>> or not.

867
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,520
>> I'm picturing something in my head.

868
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,720
Maybe that's not how

869
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,200
>> the fence portion of it.

870
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,720
>> Well,

871
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:40,480
yeah. I mean, if if if they I guess it's

872
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,359
hard to describe what I'm saying, but if you have this and here is where it's

873
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:47,440
going to meet the adjacent properties or

874
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,000
whatever to do the fencing with the

875
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,800
columns back to that fence and then use

876
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,240
the existing fences

877
00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:00,950
on the one side. I don't know.

878
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,320
» It just seems something Melody.

879
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,680
>> Um, no. This is good discussion. Um I do

880
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,640
believe uh that having uh a decision

881
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,599
between the two property owners is

882
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,920
important that the developer should

883
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,280
contact the property owner and make a

884
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,359
proposal and see if they can't settle

885
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:24,720
this civily if the property owner agrees

886
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,599
to have their t fence removed or if they

887
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,280
want to have it remain. Um I just think

888
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,960
um there was good discussion on the

889
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,560
planning commission meeting. I listen to

890
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,119
that. Um I'm I'm uh just happy to know

891
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,280
that we're we're discussing this and to

892
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,760
also hear the problems that exist

893
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,040
between having two existing fences. I uh

894
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,359
didn't consider what uh Councilman

895
00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:52,079
Gossip mentioned about having wildlife

896
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:53,839
get in between the two fences. We

897
00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:56,240
certainly wouldn't want to to have that

898
00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:00,214
type of an issue. So, um I think that

899
00:36:00,214 --> 00:36:01,520
[clears throat]

900
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,920
if there's a disagreement, uh that they

901
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,560
can come to city staff and uh is is our

902
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,000
discussion relying on city staff being

903
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,520
able to settle this discussion or is

904
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,280
this going to have to become a civil

905
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,200
matter? I just have a question about

906
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:25,670
that.

907
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,200
» Go ahead. I I think I think for the city

908
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,560
code the the only thing the city can do

909
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,440
is relax the standard for for the new

910
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,440
development. I think ultimately

911
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,960
we it's hard for the city to avoid some

912
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,680
kind of a civil uh civil conflict

913
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,359
between the two if they don't agree. uh

914
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:52,960
um because even if we relax the standard

915
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,119
if if if

916
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:57,119
the

917
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,040
well and I can I can say this is a

918
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,400
concern that came up on the planning

919
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,720
commission is that okay we we relax the

920
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,440
standard for the new development the

921
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,645
residential the existing residential

922
00:37:09,645 --> 00:37:11,440
[snorts and clears throat] fence either

923
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,839
remains or is removed and replaced with

924
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:15,680
something with less of a standard what

925
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,839
if that homeowner doesn't want either

926
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:20,160
one of those. What if they want No, I

927
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,599
want my fence, but I don't want it to

928
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,920
abut this apartment complex or something

929
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,440
like that. I don't want it to serve as

930
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,480
the this is my fence. What if someone uh

931
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,160
graffities it or something like that?

932
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,680
But I think that all that the city can

933
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,760
do is either relax the standard or not.

934
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,599
I I think that we're we're trying to

935
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,119
ultimately it's it's a civil issue

936
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:40,640
between two property owners. I think

937
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,960
it's a private issue um if there's a

938
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,480
disagreement.

939
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,040
But then my question becomes, so you had

940
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,359
mentioned that there could be 10 to 20

941
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:51,760
adjacent properties. And so if they go

942
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,599
to every property owner and everybody

943
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,000
agrees but one,

944
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,760
then you have a goofy looking fence

945
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,680
because it has that same standard everywhere but

946
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,480
one. I mean that

947
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,200
>> I don't know.

948
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,680
>> It's a it's a very difficult

949
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,520
>> decision for sure. That's why from our

950
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,960
end, if we're going to relax a standard,

951
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,280
it goes across the board that we still

952
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,720
have to if we're going to require the

953
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,200
developer to work that out together, so

954
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,119
be it. But that if we relax the

955
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,520
standard, it allows it to happen. It

956
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,680
doesn't doesn't they can't stop it from

957
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,200
happening. We're not going to do they're

958
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,960
not going to not just do one if we relax

959
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,480
the standard. The question is, like our

960
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,560
attorney says, is whether we relax the

961
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,160
standard or not.

962
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,079
>> And just so you know, the applicant is

963
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,079
here tonight. So,

964
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:41,920
>> so

965
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,839
give me an idea of what relaxing the

966
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:46,320
standard would look like.

967
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,720
>> Well, probably something similar to what

968
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,760
is already being proposed on the screen.

969
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,760
Um, we would want to maybe, you know,

970
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,400
um, word smith some of it a little bit

971
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,720
better, but it would be something

972
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,400
similar to this. So,

973
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,920
>> so [clears throat] the way I read it, it

974
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,920
would be that if there's an existing

975
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,560
fence there, you would use the existing

976
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,800
fence and not put up another one. That's

977
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,440
the way I read that. Is that what you

978
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,520
>> Yeah. You would just automatic or you

979
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,240
would just go to just using the the

980
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,560
existing fence as part of the fence

981
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,680
you're installing,

982
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,760
>> right? And then then you would hook onto

983
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,400
the ends or whatever and continue on.

984
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,240
>> Yeah. But and but to me with that, you

985
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,240
got um you may have a wooden fence, you

986
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,320
may have a vinyl fence, you may have a

987
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,960
wire fence. Um so you got all different

988
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,280
types cuz you know people do their yards

989
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,760
the way they want them.

990
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,160
And so you got all it's it's just

991
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,920
And then too, most fences at most homes

992
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,000
are like four or 5 ft tall. Usually we,

993
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,000
if I'm not mistaken, the requirement for

994
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,119
is normally six or eight. If it was, if

995
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,800
it was commercial, I'm sure it would be

996
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,440
about eight. I don't know what they're

997
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,160
planning to put in in the back. Um, so

998
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,000
I I don't know.

999
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,920
>> This this particular one is just too

1000
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,200
residential and it's uh commercial, but

1001
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200
it's apartments or is it town homes?

1002
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,520
What is it? it can't um most of the time

1003
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,960
it's going to be apartments like

1004
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,160
multifamily type

1005
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,599
>> but in this particular one that we're

1006
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,359
talking about the ledger cove apartments

1007
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:35,760
is that started this discussion

1008
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,920
>> I believe those are single family

1009
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,680
attached so

1010
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,560
>> on the one side

1011
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,800
>> the applicant is here if and I haven't

1012
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,880
been the one that's been reviewing it so

1013
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,640
I'm not super familiar with this

1014
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,320
particular

1015
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,320
>> um project so

1016
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,839
>> right

1017
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:56,480
yeah we Any more questions? We'll I'll

1018
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,760
invite him up if we're done.

1019
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,480
>> Okay.

1020
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,359
>> All right.

1021
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:02,319
Thank you. We might call you

1022
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:05,280
back up here. Okay. All right. Um Mr.

1023
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,880
Level, would you like to come up and

1024
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,000
address this?

1025
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,319
>> Yes.

1026
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:11,920
Thank you for letting me come up and and

1027
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,800
thank you for hearing this tonight. Um

1028
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,359
so I apologize. We weren't at the last

1029
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:20,079
meeting. There was a we weren't there,

1030
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:21,599
but there was a little bit lost in

1031
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,520
translation. Our issue with the pillar,

1032
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,040
we don't mind putting up a fence against

1033
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,040
a fence when it's when it's vinyl

1034
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,480
because we want it to look cohesive,

1035
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,280
too. The advantage is when we put a a

1036
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,000
vinyl fence with no columns up neck next

1037
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,119
against it. There's no cuz you put in a column, there's a gap, right? It's

1038
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,280
wider. I think it calls out for an 8 in

1039
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,520
column. So, our concern was not that

1040
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,040
we're not going to put up another vinyl

1041
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,680
fence that is the same standard they're

1042
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,760
asked for as the columns because even

1043
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,760
one of the issues we ran into on this, is a town homes that we back up to.

1044
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,160
One of the single family homes for

1045
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,800
whatever reason put a gate onto our

1046
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,480
property, which were both private

1047
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:01,680
properties, right? So, we don't want

1048
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,839
that gate to get used. So, our thought

1049
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:05,200
wasn't that we weren't going to put up

1050
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,680
our own fence because we wanted to all

1051
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,920
be the same color and cohesive. It was

1052
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,599
just we didn't want the columns because

1053
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,599
in our experience, if we're putting up a

1054
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,680
vinyl fence against another fence, we

1055
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,880
can get it close enough, we're not going

1056
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,200
to have a dead space. It's just once we

1057
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,280
have the columns, we create a dead

1058
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,560
space, if that makes sense. So, we're I

1059
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,319
know I'm throwing a total another wrench

1060
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:28,640
into this, but our our goal wasn't to

1061
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,720
get out of to use somebody else's fence

1062
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,319
because I would agree with you guys.

1063
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:34,079
It's just going to create animosity that

1064
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,839
hey, the developers taking advantage of

1065
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:39,040
us. They're trying to get a a fence. our

1066
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,599
a free fence. Our our goal is to get um

1067
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,920
to just get rid of the columns in this

1068
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,839
scenario or other scenarios that may

1069
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:50,319
come up just to avoid the gap because

1070
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:53,119
the fence would be 100% on our property.

1071
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,200
And to be quite honest, we're okay with

1072
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,880
other people using it, but just as you

1073
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,720
guys said, we don't want to be liable

1074
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,319
for using somebody else's fence and

1075
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:03,359
maintenance or whatnot breaks it. So,

1076
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:04,480
just to give a little bit of

1077
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,240
clarification and yes, what we are going

1078
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,359
up against here, um, our project is a

1079
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:12,400
mix of, um, what they call garden style

1080
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,319
apartments and town homes, but this

1081
00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,720
particular area is just town homes.

1082
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:17,599
>> Okay. So,

1083
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,680
>> all right. Any any questions?

1084
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,280
>> Well, the gap is what I would worry

1085
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,839
about. If you put in the column and then

1086
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:25,280
you have the gap, that's how I've seen

1087
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,839
the wildlife get stuck in and then die.

1088
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:35,680
>> So, I I don't know how many feet of fence is it that goes

1089
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:40,160
to the existing fences? I mean, is

1090
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,400
>> in comparison? I'm just curious.

1091
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,079
>> Yeah. So, do you mean how many linear

1092
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,000
feet of fence are we installing or

1093
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000
>> Well,

1094
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,160
how many linear feet are already

1095
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,240
existing to the properties? And then 2/3

1096
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,319
>> and then so 2/3 of it is already

1097
00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:56,319
existing and then third of it would be

1098
00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:58,800
>> Yeah. And and and so that's we were just

1099
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,640
trying to do is eliminate the gap. We

1100
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,800
found with vinyl fence, it's not it's

1101
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,960
not a structural fence. So, we can we

1102
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,800
can butt it right up that it's 100% on

1103
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,280
our property line. We don't even again,

1104
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,119
we don't care if the fences that don't

1105
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:14,240
have it use our fence. It's just to not

1106
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,960
create the gap. So, weeds, trash, I

1107
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,319
never thought about dead animals. You

1108
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:20,400
got pretty creative on that one, but

1109
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,960
it's just a a maintenance issue is

1110
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,480
really what it comes down Is it possible

1111
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,440
to pull the the column forward and have

1112
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,520
the vinyl fence go to the back of it to

1113
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,079
reduce that gap? The problem is with the

1114
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,760
column that we've ran into is it's more

1115
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,599
of a structural component. So, we need a

1116
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:39,040
wider foundation.

1117
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,960
>> Okay.

1118
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,800
>> I So that's that's why we wanted to do

1119
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,960
Yeah. Again, it's totally your just want

1120
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,520
to give a little context to that.

1121
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,160
>> All right. Any more questions?

1122
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,119
>> Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you.

1123
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:58,470
>> All right.

1124
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,240
So that that got presented a little bit

1125
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:01,920
different than what I was understanding

1126
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,760
for sure. And so you're the act

1127
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,680
applicant in this case is requesting to

1128
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,680
eliminate the columns so he can put the

1129
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,119
fence against the property owner's

1130
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:12,960
fence.

1131
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,599
Does that create issue with private

1132
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:18,240
owners? I guess maybe you want to put it

1133
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:19,520
right. He wants to put it right against

1134
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,920
the other fence. And then there's

1135
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,440
I imagine there's a little bit of gap,

1136
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,079
but not much just between the posts.

1137
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,760
>> That definitely takes care of some of

1138
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,000
the complications we were worried about.

1139
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,400
I I think maybe some of the language I'm

1140
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,200
looking in the proposal that that

1141
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,800
um implies not putting up two fences is

1142
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,720
that it talks about creating an

1143
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,280
unnecessary redundancy.

1144
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,119
Um I wonder if that's how

1145
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,720
we miscommunicated because we were

1146
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,079
thinking, okay, well that means we don't

1147
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:53,920
want a fence against the fence.

1148
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,560
>> Yeah.

1149
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,560
>> If it's a fence against the fence and

1150
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,240
we're just relaxing the standards, that

1151
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,079
is a different issue. If they are

1152
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:01,440
building the fence, then there's not so

1153
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,920
much the issue between private property

1154
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:04,640
owners,

1155
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,800
>> right? I I agree with that. And he does

1156
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,240
have the one issue with one owner that's

1157
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,079
got a back gate that goes onto their

1158
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:11,200
property. So that would have to be

1159
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,640
addressed by whoever addresses that. But

1160
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,280
so do we probably need to get this

1161
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,542
rewritten and get it back to

1162
00:46:18,542 --> 00:46:20,720
[clears throat] us

1163
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,800
>> or we can try or we can try and just

1164
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,359
state how what we think. But it's still

1165
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,200
ultimately we was just going to decide

1166
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,160
if we was willing to relax the standard

1167
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:30,480
>> right

1168
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,400
>> without the columns. At that point that

1169
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,920
would be what it would be is just a

1170
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,160
decision to allow them to have no

1171
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,079
columns and put the fence against the

1172
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:38,560
fence.

1173
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,319
>> And and this is on the business meeting

1174
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:43,599
agenda for tonight. So if certainly we

1175
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,000
could there's enough changes if if it's

1176
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,760
the council's desire we could take it

1177
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,839
back and re rework it with the with

1178
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:50,800
understanding.

1179
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,560
>> I think since it's written so much wrong

1180
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,200
cuz I misunderstood the whole thing. So

1181
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,000
I think we should probably rewrite it.

1182
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,920
>> What do you guys think? If we do that,

1183
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:00,800
then we probably

1184
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,160
>> can bring it back for the 17th

1185
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,240
>> and bring it back to the ne that way it

1186
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,599
can go possibly back back to the

1187
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,599
planning commission so they can look at

1188
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,520
it again cuz I don't you know what I

1189
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,520
mean? I I don't want them to think that

1190
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,599
what they propose is not good. It's just

1191
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:15,920
that

1192
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:16,720
>> I believe they

1193
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:18,960
>> we have um a couple of questions on it.

1194
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,040
>> I believe if I read this right that if

1195
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,520
we if we relax this we're still going to

1196
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,760
have the planning commission approve it

1197
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,720
right in the future. It's not going to

1198
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,160
be us approving it. We're just going to

1199
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,760
relax the

1200
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,400
>> Yeah, they had they had actually

1201
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,640
suggested or recommended that staff

1202
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,800
approve them unless there's some

1203
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,119
contention or some um some issues with

1204
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,839
the approval with staff's decision, then

1205
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:47,680
it would go to planning commission.

1206
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,079
Somebody could request a public um

1207
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,720
meeting with planning commission on it.

1208
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:53,359
So,

1209
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:55,920
>> so is it is it possible and and just to

1210
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,920
be clear so that I'm making sure I

1211
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,560
understand, would you be leaving the the

1212
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,280
columns on the the part of the fence

1213
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,680
that doesn't meet with the other

1214
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,160
properties and we'd only be relaxing the

1215
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,480
one or are you talking about relaxing at

1216
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,400
all?

1217
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,560
>> And that's actually a really good

1218
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,960
question.

1219
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,319
>> Do you want me to talk?

1220
00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:20,880
>> Yes.

1221
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,280
>> Okay,

1222
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,960
>> please do. So yeah, put your two cents

1223
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,520
in.

1224
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,680
>> The goal was to just remove the columns

1225
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,680
and I think it says that where it says

1226
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,000
approve a dev deviation from

1227
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,640
modification or elimination of vertical

1228
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,880
sections, columns or peers. That's all

1229
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,400
it's asking for. So I think it's it's

1230
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,359
not the intent was not to remove the

1231
00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:43,520
fencing or use anybody else's fencing.

1232
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,000
It's just to remove the peers when it's

1233
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,839
adjacent to another fence

1234
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:49,680
>> and leave the peers on the on the other

1235
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,040
>> and leave the peers on the other part.

1236
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,440
And I believe that's what it says. It

1237
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,359
was just the additions that made it

1238
00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:56,720
change.

1239
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:57,680
>> Right. Okay.

1240
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,760
>> So, there shouldn't really be any

1241
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,440
contention because it's going to be on

1242
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,880
the property owner's

1243
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,680
>> property line. It's not sharing anything

1244
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,520
with another property owner.

1245
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,079
>> So, there will be a fence abuing a

1246
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:11,359
fence, but that's

1247
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:13,040
>> but it'll be tight.

1248
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,480
>> It'll be tight or without the column.

1249
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,160
>> So, there's really no reason to have

1250
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,480
property owners have to give approval

1251
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,280
for this.

1252
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,280
>> No. because it's on someone else because

1253
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,960
it's on

1254
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,319
building discussion.

1255
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:26,480
>> It's on my property line. If I'm

1256
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:27,760
building a single family house, the

1257
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,119
fence is on my property line.

1258
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:32,079
>> So, do you feel like

1259
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:32,960
>> that is the intent?

1260
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,240
>> Matt, do you feel like that's the way

1261
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,160
it's written like that? Cuz there's so

1262
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,319
much other added to that with

1263
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:39,760
[clears throat] the discussion from the

1264
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,520
council and wanting the other from the

1265
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,640
planning commission,

1266
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,040
>> right?

1267
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,480
>> Wanting these other things to be on

1268
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,000
there.

1269
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,359
So, they're not necessary. doesn't

1270
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:47,680
sound.

1271
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,280
>> So the reason the list is there is

1272
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,880
because what [snorts] the community

1273
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,480
development department is trying to

1274
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,480
propose is to say these specific

1275
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,960
requirements have to be met in order to

1276
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,559
it can't because this applies to

1277
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,040
everybody. It it was proposed by Ledger

1278
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,119
Cove, but it will apply to anybody

1279
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,040
building. So it doesn't really matter

1280
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,119
how many it applies to in their case

1281
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:08,640
because it will apply to everybody

1282
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,359
moving forward. But they're saying that

1283
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:12,800
it's not just anybody who builds

1284
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,800
apartments can relax can come in and say

1285
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,400
I don't want to put columns in. It has

1286
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,520
to meet specific requirements like it

1287
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,440
has to be adjacent to a parcel where

1288
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,119
fencing's already been installed by the

1289
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,119
property owner prior to the development.

1290
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:26,960
It's not visible from a road. So, it has

1291
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,440
to still meet all those requirements in

1292
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,440
order to relax the code.

1293
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,800
>> Okay,

1294
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,760
>> that was my understanding.

1295
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,960
>> I guess the the only other question I

1296
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,880
guess would be because Okay, so he has

1297
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,559
the back of the whole property which is

1298
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,040
200 ft. Let's say we only got two/ird of

1299
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,400
it with fence. Are we going to put

1300
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,960
columns next to that fence along the

1301
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,680
back of it? Probably. If Are we going to

1302
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,520
relax it just like that? We are.

1303
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,480
>> Well, and and this will be a a

1304
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,280
discretionary case byase um approval

1305
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,480
process the way it's written. So I I

1306
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,160
think that there's some flexibility

1307
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,160
there as they look at it to to make sure

1308
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,640
it's as consistent as possible and and

1309
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,920
meets as much of the the code

1310
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,319
requirements as possible as that makes

1311
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:15,760
sense in a particular situation.

1312
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,119
>> I agree that that's the way it should

1313
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,680
be. Yes. Sometimes we write something

1314
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,079
and we get hardlined on it. So I want to

1315
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,800
make sure that it's going to going to

1316
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,480
whether it says that in it or something

1317
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,319
it has to say something that's okay.

1318
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:30,559
Maybe it's a case by case basis and we

1319
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:31,440
>> I I think

1320
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,720
>> we need to be able to have flexibility

1321
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:36,319
as the staff to approve it. That's got

1322
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:37,440
to be in there, right?

1323
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,079
>> Yeah. I I think that uh the language

1324
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,400
that uh community it started out

1325
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,000
originally in the application of city

1326
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,319
council may approve a deviation and now

1327
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:51,520
it's uh community development director may may approve a

1328
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,680
deviation from. So they're not required

1329
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,960
to approve a deviation from it, but um

1330
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,880
that gives the city the option to say,

1331
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,440
okay, that these usually are the

1332
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,119
requirements, but in this case, it makes

1333
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:05,119
sense to relax that standard to not

1334
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:08,079
require the the um columns or peers.

1335
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:09,920
>> And I'm definitely for that the way

1336
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,880
you're saying that. So, and you do you

1337
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,520
feel like Well, I don't I don't feel

1338
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,599
like what we just read says that, but do

1339
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:18,960
you feel like it says that? I don't

1340
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,880
>> I think we I I think we could clarify

1341
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,040
it. you can clarify it when we make

1342
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,720
>> at the very least that we'd we'd want to

1343
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,680
take out what the um

1344
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,559
uh the the red line at the bottom

1345
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,720
because I think that went under the

1346
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,559
other interpretation that we had before.

1347
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:35,359
Yeah.

1348
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:37,760
>> Okay. All right. Any more questions on

1349
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,599
this before we move on then? I think

1350
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:40,720
we'll just keep it then and we'll try

1351
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,160
and clarify it in the meeting and try

1352
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,920
and make a vote. Okay. Ed,

1353
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,079
>> I have a a question if that's okay. You

1354
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:51,040
bet.

1355
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,760
Go ahead, Melody.

1356
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,359
>> I'm having just a little bit of hard

1357
00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:58,079
time hearing that. And so my question

1358
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:02,000
is, and maybe you discuss this, is that,

1359
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,119
you know, I I hate to relax the code and

1360
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:06,800
find that we have unintended

1361
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,040
consequences that come in a future

1362
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,520
property. Is this something that we can

1363
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,200
do just to make um just a like a

1364
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,520
conditional use or a conditional

1365
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,040
requirement for just this property? Um

1366
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,599
that's my question is I don't want to

1367
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:26,960
hold up um this proper this uh

1368
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,520
development that's going on currently. I

1369
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,720
know they've already got several

1370
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,119
buildings that are up. It may take the

1371
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:35,359
city quite a while for us to make sure

1372
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:37,920
that we fine-tune this code. I'm

1373
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,800
wondering if we shouldn't just consider

1374
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,640
this its own uh conditional use for this

1375
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,960
property. Um I also wondered um this is

1376
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,440
a second part of my question is if the

1377
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,920
developer contacts the property owner

1378
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,319
and they're in agreement that they want

1379
00:53:56,319 --> 00:54:00,079
to only have one fence and they'll agree

1380
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,119
to let the developer put a fence up. Is

1381
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:06,720
the developer going to be required

1382
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,880
uh to mitigate any cost to the property

1383
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,559
owner if they have to have their fence

1384
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,520
removed? I don't feel like an existing

1385
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,000
home owner if they're willing to comply

1386
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,760
with the new fence that they should have

1387
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,400
to bear the burden of any cost for this.

1388
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,760
So, I'm just thinking that eliminating

1389
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,559
the columns and abuing the fence is

1390
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,559
probably okay, but I really feel like

1391
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,760
there's probably more to this code that

1392
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,920
we want to take a look at so that we

1393
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,040
don't have a future problem with another

1394
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,599
development. So, I'd rather just deal

1395
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,480
with this on a on its own case basis.

1396
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,480
That's That's my I made two two

1397
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,079
comments, I guess,

1398
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,000
>> to this.

1399
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,880
>> All right. Any comment on that, Matt?

1400
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,280
>> Um,

1401
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,480
>> you have to talk louder.

1402
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,200
>> I'll have to talk louder. Yes. Sorry.

1403
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,559
Councilwoman Goes. Um,

1404
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,640
I I don't know that this fits a

1405
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:10,240
conditional use permit situation. Um, I I don't think that that's written into

1406
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:15,040
our code for a conditional use. um

1407
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,400
maybe a a variance, but then the the app

1408
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,400
um developer would have to apply for it

1409
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,920
and go through the process, too. So, I

1410
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,800
I'm not sure that at least this council

1411
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,359
tonight can make a decision for this one

1412
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:33,349
particular property.

1413
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:35,200
» So, so you're saying that it would have

1414
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,480
to be for across the board, right? Not

1415
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,160
just for one, right? Correct. Yeah.

1416
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,200
>> Correct. Yes. Okay.

1417
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,270
All right.

1418
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,359
» And uh the other thing that I indicated

1419
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:51,839
is what if they negotiate with the

1420
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:53,520
property owner and the property owner

1421
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,640
just wants to have one fence. Do we need

1422
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,960
to specify that the developer is

1423
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,839
responsible to bear the cost for fence

1424
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,480
removal or you know however it's going

1425
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,280
to be designed pending the decision

1426
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,640
between the property owners.

1427
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,160
I think that if we wanted to write into

1428
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,079
the code that that was an option that

1429
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:17,440
they could agree to it and have the one

1430
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,160
fence, that'd be fine. I don't think we

1431
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,160
want to get into who's responsible for

1432
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,920
what between the two property owners,

1433
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:24,960
though.

1434
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,040
>> Yeah. And then and then I mean it it

1435
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,319
just complicates it. If we're going to

1436
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:30,319
have 10 property owners going down the

1437
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:31,920
line and one wants and one doesn't, it

1438
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,240
doesn't work. I think we're better off

1439
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,319
to have

1440
00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:38,400
the two fences one against the other.

1441
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,079
Otherwise,

1442
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:41,920
then just it just gets even worse.

1443
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,040
>> Mhm. Well, it it in our discussion it

1444
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,720
said that they're going to have to have

1445
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:48,240
written permission by the property

1446
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,640
owner. So, it kind of looks like the way

1447
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,240
the code is written, they're going to

1448
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:53,680
have to negotiate with everybody

1449
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:54,480
individually.

1450
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,559
>> Yeah. But I think that all of that is

1451
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:57,839
going to be out of there because we

1452
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:00,880
misunderstood the plan of what this was

1453
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,079
cuz we're not going to be tearing down

1454
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:03,599
their we're just going to be going and

1455
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,760
putting it right against their fence was

1456
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,359
all we're doing is is all we're doing is

1457
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:09,839
eliminate eliminating that the developer

1458
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:11,839
has to put columns in.

1459
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:13,599
>> He still has to put he still has to put

1460
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,319
a fence up

1461
00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:18,240
>> and they're still going to have to

1462
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,559
notify the property owners and and

1463
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:22,319
receive written permission from the

1464
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:23,040
property owners.

1465
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,880
>> Uh no, I don't think so. No, because

1466
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,240
they're going to they're just going to

1467
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,359
build they're going to build their own

1468
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:29,760
fence without columns. It still be their

1469
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,200
fence and the property owner will have

1470
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,520
their own fence property.

1471
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:33,839
>> Okay.

1472
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:35,520
Each of them each of them will be

1473
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:36,640
on their property. Yeah. [clears throat]

1474
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,400
No problem.

1475
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,069
>> All right.

1476
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:44,079
» Any more questions? Are we good on this?

1477
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:45,920
Okay, we can move on and we'll I think

1478
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,960
we'll go ahead and move on and we'll see if we can make an attempt to

1479
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,480
make it happen in council meeting

1480
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,200
anyway. Okay. All right. Thank you. All

1481
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,000
right. We'll move on to discussion item

1482
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,599
E,

1483
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:01,359
which is a a discussion on proposed

1484
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:06,230
amendments of Tuta City Code 7-16A-3,

1485
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,760
residential special districts

1486
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,520
eligibility and size regarding the

1487
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,240
minimum land requirement necessary to

1488
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,640
qualify for commercial special district.

1489
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:31,430
That's also presented by Anna England.

1490
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,319
Okay. So, this is um a proposed

1491
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:37,680
applicant driven proposed text amendment

1492
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,160
for um

1493
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,799
the CSD uh section of the ordinance.

1494
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:47,520
um they just want to for one thing

1495
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,599
correct uh the title from going from a

1496
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,640
residential title to a commercial title.

1497
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,640
And then um right currently the um

1498
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,720
ordinance requires all of the CSD zone

1499
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,640
to be contiguous

1500
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,720
with each other. Um but the applicant is

1501
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:14,480
asking that they get um or that they can

1502
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,319
have as long as they have a certain a

1503
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:19,599
minimum amount of of um acreage that

1504
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:23,760
they can have uh the CSD zone applied to

1505
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,200
different sections of the city and it

1506
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:32,160
does not need to be contiguous. So, um

1507
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,319
that's that's basically what they're

1508
00:59:34,319 --> 00:59:37,280
asking for is they're changing one small

1509
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,480
section saying uh size the minimum size

1510
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,319
for any application for commercial

1511
00:59:42,319 --> 00:59:45,440
special district shall be 50 acres. All

1512
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,559
acreage identified for inclusion in a

1513
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:52,400
CSD shall be contiguous and developable.

1514
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,480
In the event the proposed size of the

1515
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,880
CSD is over 125 acres, the CSD does not

1516
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,480
need to be contiguous. Land identified

1517
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,880
as having any of the following

1518
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,400
conditions may be included within a CSD

1519
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,079
but shall not be included in the

1520
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,079
calculation of the minimum acreage. And

1521
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:16,880
then it goes on to what what we already

1522
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,520
have in the ordinance. So

1523
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,760
it's basically just changing the one

1524
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,680
portion where if you've got over 125

1525
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,720
acres, those acreages do not have to be

1526
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,000
continuous with each other. So

1527
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,319
>> all right. And my only question would

1528
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:35,839
how how does the staff feel about that

1529
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:37,040
changing that change?

1530
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,079
>> Um it's the staff has no issue with it

1531
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:42,000
at all. So

1532
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,349
>> All right. Any any questions?

1533
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:50,960
All right. Thank you.

1534
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,599
>> Okay. Now, we're going to go to item F.

1535
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:56,880
>> Oh, you know what? Um, we do also have

1536
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,520
um the applicant here and he has a

1537
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,799
presentation as well for you. So,

1538
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:05,359
>> um maybe you right here. Okay. You want

1539
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:06,880
to you

1540
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,240
>> come up and tell us your name and

1541
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:09,200
>> Yeah. I'll just

1542
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,799
>> and who you're with and we'll go

1543
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:12,160
>> for you.

1544
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,160
>> Well, have you give us your your

1545
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,839
>> Yeah. Jake Finlandson with Perry

1546
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,359
Commercial. Thanks for having me. And I

1547
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:19,440
don't want to blabber uh the point that

1548
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,839
Anna made. It sounds like it's from our

1549
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:22,720
perspective, it's pretty

1550
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,920
straightforward, but I'll just kind of

1551
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,359
give you a little bit of background on

1552
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,359
this specific area that we're referring

1553
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:30,480
to. Um [clears throat] so this if you

1554
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,280
recall, we a few months ago we came in

1555
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,599
for a CSD application work session and

1556
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:39,599
this is just kind of an aerial imagery

1557
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:42,240
of those those sections. So the first

1558
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,440
one is a large commercial area on 3100

1559
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:51,040
North. Um the area B is on 1,000 North

1560
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,160
and area C which is north of the golf

1561
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,799
course. Um there is also an optional

1562
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:03,119
area B which is um on 2000 North which

1563
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,359
only comes into play if the Mid Valley

1564
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:08,079
corridor disrupts the original area B

1565
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:11,280
which it's looking like it is going to.

1566
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,760
Um so so that these are the areas that

1567
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,599
the CSD specifically that we're

1568
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:18,960
proposing encompasses. Now, um the goal

1569
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,079
of that is here's our so we we have

1570
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,678
Compass Point master plan community

1571
01:02:24,678 --> 01:02:25,359
[clears throat]

1572
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:31,599
and our goal with this is you know those four areas that we pointed out

1573
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:34,000
represent kind of the entry points into

1574
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,720
the Compass Point community. So, our

1575
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,640
goal is to have a consistent elevated

1576
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,160
standard

1577
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,640
um on on that entryway into the

1578
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,640
community.

1579
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,520
Um now, we've

1580
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,359
let me just go to the next slide here.

1581
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:53,280
Those they're not really showing up

1582
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,920
super clearly, but those little blue uh

1583
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,040
circles represent kind of the entryways

1584
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,839
into the community. So here you can see

1585
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:06,000
that entryway off of SR36 and 3100 North

1586
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,559
up there to the north of the golf course

1587
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:12,160
here um on 2000 North on that bottom

1588
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,920
left hand side would be another entryway

1589
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,960
um into the community. And then down to

1590
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,720
the south we have two additional um the

1591
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,280
blue circles. one of those which we

1592
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,400
don't have any property on but the other

1593
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,680
is uh we do and so the goal is again

1594
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,200
just to make sure that this is

1595
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:38,079
consistent. Um, you know, we

1596
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,720
we've planned for our commercial and

1597
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,880
industrial uses to be on the main

1598
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,520
entries into the community and and the

1599
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,599
reason for that is it really helps

1600
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:49,920
ensure the success of those businesses

1601
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,400
that are going to be there. Um, as

1602
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,319
that's where most of the traffic is

1603
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:56,960
going to to be.

1604
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,880
Um so yeah again we just these are our

1605
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,280
entry hubs that we want consistent

1606
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,280
compass point branding and design

1607
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,000
standards and and we believe that that

1608
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,960
will positively impact the community um

1609
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,119
with you know elevated and cohesive

1610
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,119
design standards in those those various

1611
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:16,480
areas. Now technically uh you know we

1612
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,920
the the areas between these we we

1613
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,720
control you know all all that land. It's

1614
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,200
all contiguous but just in the in an

1615
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,640
effort of cleaning up the the um

1616
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,920
ordinance and making it as just non not

1617
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,480
as confusing as just say non-ontiguous

1618
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,200
in the event 125 acres and I believe

1619
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,319
we're closer to 220 in this in this

1620
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:44,079
case. So, here's an I just uh this will

1621
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:45,680
come in at a later date, but I just

1622
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:46,960
wanted to give you an idea of kind of

1623
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,880
some of the those elevated design

1624
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,280
standards. And just a disclaimer, none

1625
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,680
of these images are ours. Um it's just

1626
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,640
to communicate some ideas of of those

1627
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,400
design standards. So on walkways um you

1628
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,680
know we have it a separation of park

1629
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,400
strip between the road and and uh a

1630
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,000
walking path with some benches allowed

1631
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,240
that that kind of a use will be called

1632
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,480
out in the CSD. Um another use that will

1633
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,039
be called out in the CSD are shops with

1634
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:21,039
shade canopies

1635
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:24,799
um for the specific retail users. Um,

1636
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:28,000
and that just allows pedestrian activity

1637
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,359
to be more inviting and um, yeah, and

1638
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:34,480
welcoming for those businesses.

1639
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,799
Another one is uh, elevations with

1640
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:39,520
varying height um, as well as multiple

1641
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,145
material requirements,

1642
01:05:43,145 --> 01:05:44,160
[snorts]

1643
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,480
elevated plant requirements along

1644
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,200
walking trails. It's kind of the the

1645
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,039
intent of the image here.

1646
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:55,760
And then elevated landscaping adjacent

1647
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:02,309
to monument signage.

1648
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:04,559
And again, this is kind of just elevated

1649
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,880
landscaping

1650
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,640
around entryways into retail

1651
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,559
businesses.

1652
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,520
>> So that's just kind of a sampling of

1653
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,599
some of those design standards that

1654
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:19,359
we're hoping to implement in the CSD.

1655
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:24,799
And um any I know any questions for me

1656
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:27,039
>> questions.

1657
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:28,319
All right. Well, thank you. Appreciate

1658
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:31,520
it. Turn that off. All right.

1659
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,359
Okay.

1660
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:35,119
Now we'll move on to the next discussion

1661
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:38,160
item which is uh discussion item F

1662
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,880
discussion on a proposed text amendment

1663
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,520
on Tula city code 7-16

1664
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,240
B-6 landscaping standards regarding

1665
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,799
miniming landscaping requirements in the

1666
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:50,640
heavy industrial section of the Tula

1667
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,200
city business park presented by Anna

1668
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,270
England again.

1669
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,799
Okay. So, um, as I was saying before,

1670
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:03,920
um, this is actually just following

1671
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,440
along with what we've already

1672
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,599
established for industrial zones with

1673
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:10,880
the landscaping requirements, taking out

1674
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,720
um, the landscaping requirements for

1675
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,440
parking lots, the 15-ft front yard

1676
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,680
landscaping requirement, and then the

1677
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,319
landscape park landscape park strip

1678
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:23,039
requirement as well. Um but in lie of

1679
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:26,559
that we are requiring that any disturbed

1680
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:31,680
areas be um receded with um native

1681
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,920
species of plant and reestablish and

1682
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,280
they do need to submit um you know a

1683
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,280
plan to do that to reestablish it. Um so

1684
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,000
all of the industrial zones were um

1685
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,640
heavier industrial zoning districts were

1686
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,000
included in this except for the Tilla

1687
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,000
City Business Park landscaping

1688
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,440
requirement section se section C heavy

1689
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,920
industrial um and we just want that um

1690
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:02,400
to mirror what we've already established

1691
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,799
for the heavier industrial zones in the

1692
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:07,839
city. So, if you look at the map, it's

1693
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:11,920
going to be the darker purple area that

1694
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,280
um would apply, which is pretty far away

1695
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,319
from like the residential uses in um

1696
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:26,319
closer to all of the industrial uses in the city in that area. Um so the main

1697
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:30,000
um changes that are going to going to h

1698
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,480
happen are we are going to identify

1699
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:35,679
section A as commercial separate section

1700
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:39,279
C from section B and that identifies

1701
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,759
section B as lighter industrial and then

1702
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:46,319
remove section section C from the 1% lot

1703
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,560
landscaping requirement as well as the

1704
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,440
reference table two of Tula city code

1705
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:54,400
716 where industrial landscaping

1706
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:57,359
requirements are defined. Um, creates a

1707
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:59,600
paragraph three which exemp exempts

1708
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,520
section C from any landscaping

1709
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,400
requirements. requires all areas

1710
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,960
disturbed by construction in section C

1711
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,440
to provide at the time of site plan

1712
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:11,920
review a disturbed area vegetation

1713
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,880
reclamation and establishment plan and

1714
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,440
then renumber the ordinance according to

1715
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:19,679
the amendments and then eliminate

1716
01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:22,239
section C from tree planting

1717
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:24,400
requirements but maintains the tree

1718
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,719
planting requirements for sections A and

1719
01:09:26,719 --> 01:09:28,560
B.

1720
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,799
So, this did go to planning commission

1721
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:34,400
on May 27th. Um, and they forwarded a

1722
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,480
positive recommendation to city council

1723
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:38,640
with the condition that a one-s sentence

1724
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,880
terminating clause for the use of

1725
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,719
irrigation after receding is established

1726
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:47,839
be added. So, um this is what the

1727
01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:49,199
ordinance would look like in the

1728
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:51,679
ordinance changes. Um, as we went

1729
01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:54,800
through before, section C, heavier

1730
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,440
industrial landscaping, uh, lots in

1731
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:59,920
section section C shall be exempt from

1732
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,080
all landscaping requirements. Areas

1733
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,320
disturbed during the construction

1734
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,040
process shall complete the following.

1735
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,440
All areas disturbed by construction

1736
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:11,920
shall be reclaimed with the seed mixture

1737
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,560
composed of native Utah grasses and

1738
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,239
shrubs. Um a disturbed area reclamation

1739
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:20,719
plan shall be provided in lie of a

1740
01:10:20,719 --> 01:10:24,000
landscape and irrigation plan um during

1741
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,400
the site plan review process. And then

1742
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,400
the green section is what planning

1743
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,600
commission wanted us to be added is

1744
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,560
irrigation used solely for the esta

1745
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,960
establishment of reveation within

1746
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,239
disturbed areas shall not be required to

1747
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:43,520
be permanent. And then the renumbering.

1748
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,520
So

1749
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,080
those are the major changes for this. So

1750
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,310
>> all right, any questions?

1751
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,360
No, questions. All right. Well, thank

1752
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,640
you. All right. So this closed meeting,

1753
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,560
do we have time for that meeting? Is it

1754
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,080
going to be okay? So we are going to go

1755
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,800
to a closed meeting upstairs and uh we

1756
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,920
will adjourn from there.

1757
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,800
Be back. for the city council at 7.

1758
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,880
>> Can you just We're going to discuss

1759
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:17,440
property.

1760
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:18,880
>> Oh, yeah. We're going to discuss

1761
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,800
property. Yes. I'm sorry. I should have

1762
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,760
said that. Thank you.

1763
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,840
>> P property acquisition. So, thank you.

1764
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,280
>> I'm pretty sure you have to vote to go

1765
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,199
into a closed. So, yeah. So, let's uh

1766
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:32,800
>> Hey, I'm new to the block. Give me a

1767
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,880
break. Okay. So, anyway,

1768
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:35,679
>> so am I.

1769
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:37,360
>> Yeah, you are, aren't you? But yeah, you

1770
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:42,159
knew. Anyway, so we we need to take a

1771
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:43,679
vote on to go to move to a closed

1772
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:46,880
meeting. So, Councilman Gossson,

1773
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,800
>> I'll make a motion that we Yeah. Is it

1774
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,719
make a motion or just

1775
01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:52,000
>> I'll make a motion that we

1776
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,360
>> And I'll second.

1777
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:54,960
>> Okay. You'll second it.

1778
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:55,440
>> Mhm. [clears throat]

1779
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:57,440
>> Okay. Okay. Then we'll take it to a

1780
01:11:57,440 --> 01:11:59,120
vote. Councilman Gossid.

1781
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,239
>> I.

1782
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,719
>> Councilwoman

1783
01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:04,320
Doas

1784
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:05,760
>> I.

1785
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,920
>> Dave. Councilman McCall. I

1786
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,760
>> and I also vote I. So, we'll go ahead

1787
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,840
and move to the closed meeting and we

1788
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,480
will adjourn from there. Okay. Got it.

1789
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:18,400
Did I do that right? Not really.

1790
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,000
>> Melody, are you going to stay on for 15

1791
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,080
minutes?

1792
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,080
>> Um, will you call me from the closed

1793
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:24,640
meeting?

1794
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,880
>> We will.