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Okay,
>> there we go. Okay, it is Wednesday,

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August 5th, 2026. The time is 5:32 p.m.
We started a little late due to some

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technical issues. The Twilla City
Council is meeting in a work meeting

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that is being held at Twilla City Hall
in the council chambers located at 90

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North Main Street in Tilla, Utah. We're
also streaming this electronically on

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the Twilla City YouTube channel. We will
start with the roll call. Councilman

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Gosset,
>> present.

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» Councilwoman Goes,
>> present.

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» Councilman McCall,
>> present.

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» Councilman Hansen,
>> I'm present [clears throat] by phone.

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» And I'm Councilman Brady, and I'm also
present. We'll move on to item three,

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which is the mayor's report.
>> Thank you, council. Um, I just have a

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couple of things today. Um, in case you
weren't aware, we had a change of

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command at the Tula Army Depot. So, we
have a new colonel, Colonel Fortune

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there. um he's going to be a great
addition to Chila and we have some

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upcoming changes at the Dougway uh
proving grounds too. Some changes going

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on there. So report on those once we
attend to those. We've had a couple of

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meetings with U DOT in regards to the
Mid Valley Highway and our corridor

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access agreement with U DOT. So we're
working through some challenges there

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and trying to work with UD do to get
what's best for Tula City and moving

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forward with that. Um and then I was
able to attend also the senior center um

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across the street. They've become the
first ever city center of kindness and

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they invited uh me to their celebration.
Counciloman McCll was there as well and

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they are moving forward just like we're
a city of kindness um with the kindness

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initiatives and they were pretty excited
about that. They had a great turnout.

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There were hundreds of people there to
celebrate and Mr. Sumani from the

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Sandani Foundation came out to to
celebrate with them and um then one just

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last we had a pre- disaster mitigation
meeting with um the county and some

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people from the state and just talking
about our disaster mitigation plan. And

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so in the near future future, there will
be some surveys on line that come out

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through the county emergency management
um and just getting some pre-work done

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so that we can complete our disaster
mitigation plan and of course that's

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done countywide and we'll participate in
that with them. So that is my report for

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today.
>> Thank you. We'll move on to item four

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which is the council members report.
We'll start with Councilman McCall.

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Oh, I attended the um senior
um event as well. And that as the mayor

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said, that was pretty good. And um
for some reason, I can't think of the

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other couple of things that I did. I
should have wrote them down, but I

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didn't. But that concludes my report.
>> Thank you, Councilman Hansen.

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Um
>> I think I'll just wait till next time

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when I'm there in person to to report on
them. There's a few things, but I'll

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just save them. Okay. Okay. Thank you,
Councilwoman Goes.

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» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I also
attended the Tula Army Dep Depot of

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Command ceremony and it was very
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dignified and we welcome uh the colonel
and uh his family to Tilla. Um, also I

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attended an RDA executive board meeting
on that day and then also went on a tour

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of the water reclamation facility. So, I
just want to thank uh Troy Meyers and

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the staff down there. Um he's the water
reclamation supervisor and uh they have

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an enormous amount of work. They process
millions of gallons of waste water

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daily. Uh they use advanced treatment
stages to produce reuse water. And of

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course, uh we know that that we did
upgrade the Headworks building at a cost

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of $6.9 million, but there's a lot more
to come. So, we really appreciate Troy

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and all the work that they do. Um, on
the 17th, I attended a flock training

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with the Tula City Police Department. It
was uh very informational. I also

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attended my monthly meeting with the
mayor, Mayor Manzion on the 27th.

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And then on the 30th, I attended
spokesperson training at the Tula City

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Police Department. Good information
there. And on the 3rd, I attended the

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growth summit meeting uh with Twilla
County at the Twilla Technical College

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uh regarding the nuclear life cycle
campus. And that concludes my dis my

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report.
>> Thank you, Councilman Gossip.

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» You know, I was sitting over here
thinking what what did I do? Had my

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meeting with the mayor as well. Uh took
a tour with Nathan of the wastewater.

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telling you think when you flush the
toilet it just magically

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just disappears. It's amazing the amount
of work that goes through that facility

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just to take care of the waste water for
Twilla. I was felt like I got a PhD in

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it, Nathan. So, thank you. I mean, that
was it was pretty amazing. And uh my

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wife thanks you too cuz I came home and
told her all about it and she's, you

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know, that much more impressed now. But
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» really
>> and I can't think of the other thing

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that I did.
>> I know I went to another meeting. It may

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have been the one that was at the county
health department for the communities

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that care. I can't remember.
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But uh yeah, it's been a good couple of
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» Okay, that's it. Thank you. I attended
many of these same meetings. The tour at

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the reclamation facility was great. It's
always good to see firsthand the things

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that we're voting on and we know that
there's a lot of work to do there, but

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we're up for the challenge. And then the
weekly staff meeting with the mayor, the

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staff continues to do great and they
always have great ideas and really care

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about the community. So, thanks for all
you guys do. We will move on to our

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discussion items. Our first discussion
item is a discussion on a fee schedule

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discussion for records and police
department. This is presented by Matthew

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Johnson, the city attorney.

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» Thank you, chairman. Thank you, council.
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this is an issue that staff wanted to
bring to council's attention early in

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the process. So, [clears throat]
you'll see that there's a a draft in in

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tonight's packet. It's a first draft.
It's a very rough draft. Um uh

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uh city attorney's office met with the
city recorder and with uh Chief Day uh

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regarding um responses to records
requests under Utah government records

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access and management act grandma. Um
[snorts] what we're seeing is that

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um the fee schedule that we have in
place does comply with uh what's allowed

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by grandma, but it doesn't completely
incorporate uh maybe what the city could

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impose as fees uh for these requests. Um
we're not trying to raise fees, but we

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are trying to make sure that the costs
to the city are are covered by the fees.

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grandma allows um the city to charge a
reasonable fee to cover the actual cost

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of of responding to her record. Um and I
feel old saying this, but it's getting

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more and more to where it's not the cost
of paper and toner and stuff to copy it.

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It's um a lot more the hours to compile
electronic records in a way that we can

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actually forward it to someone else,
especially if we have public records

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combined with protected or private
records.

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trying to to separate those or redact
those. Um so we're looking at a few

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options to change. The current fee
schedule basically has

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um two two ways to account for that um
for for

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uh that uh compiling and redaction. One
is if anything's redacted, the record is

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is doubled the the price. Um, which a
lot of times if it's a paper copy, it's

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a few cents. It's just doubles that
price. It's a little more if if uh for

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example, if a police video has to be
redacted, it is a little a little

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pricier. Um, and also, and this covers
the police video situation, it's um it

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it allows for uh a compilation fee of
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uh per hour for the compilation. Um,
like I say, that doesn't conflict with

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the state code. The state code allows
for um uh if a city um searches,

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retrievas, retrieves, compiles or
anything and that record is not in the

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form that the city keeps it in, then we
can charge an hourly rate at the lowest

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salary of of whoever is qualified to do
the work, regardless who actually does

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it. Um so we're we're working on some of
the language to to make it more

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consistent with that. It is convenient
to have, okay, it's just $15. We always

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know what it is, but
uh we we'd have to update that and it

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also might be a situation where u
someone else with a different salary has

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to has to comply with it. Um, we're also
looking at keeping language in there to

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have some discretion for the records
officer, whether it's the city reporters

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office or whether it's the police
department to say, "Well, for this

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particular
request, it just doesn't make sense to

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to charge an hourly rate. We'll go back
to either the redaction, the double the

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fee charge or or something like that
just because administratively we're

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going to we're going to cost more
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than to just um do what we're doing or
just to wave the fee. In some

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circumstances, the state code does allow
um the city to to wave uh fees and in

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some circumstances actually encourages
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for meteor requests. But I feel like I
covered a lot. Are there any questions?

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Like I say, we're just kind of looking
for we wanted to alert the council, see

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if council had any input, any questions,
any direction for the city as we work

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through some of the details of this.
>> I don't have any questions. I know that

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the police department gets a lot of
grammar requests and they spend a lot of

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lot of time going through the records
and redacting where they need to. So, I

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think it's important that the city's not
losing money doing that. We're not

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trying to profit off of it. We're just
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So, I don't have anything else. Does
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» No, it's just it is a time consuming
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» it it is and [clears throat] it seems to
be getting more and more so whether it's

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» the Well, I think it's both the the
greater number of requests and the more

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expensive requests that we're getting.
So, it it is getting more and more

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» timeconuming for the city. Yeah.
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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
Okay, we'll move on to our next

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discussion item. It's a discussion on
data centers in Twilla City and whether

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city ordinances should be amended to
appropriately respond to these potential

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uses. This is presented by Andrew Agard,
the community development director.

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Thank you, Chairman Brady, members of
the city council. I appreciate your time

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tonight
to discuss this item with me.

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The impetus behind this and why it is
why I wanted to bring it to your work

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session for discussion tonight is we as
a department in the community

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development department we are fielding
requests in regards to constructing data

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centers in Tula city
and our current code the current

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conditions of our code do not permit
define or otherwise regulate the land

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use of data centers and my job as the
community development director is to

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make sure that title 7 the development
code is maintained and updated and

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corrected as necessary according to
how things are exist at the time. So I

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need to identify deficiencies in our
code and and bring those to the council

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for discussion and possible correction
if we need to.

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The use of data centers,
especially as they exist today, is a

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relatively new land use.
Um, data centers have been around for a

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while, as long as you've had the
internet, but typically they're obscure

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and kind of nobody really thinks much
about them. But with the advent of

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artificial intelligence, there has been
an explosion in the need for data

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centers based upon the immense amounts
of data that are being requested by the

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users of cell phones, computers, and
everything else. And so these things are

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proliferating. They are growing. And
there is there are a lot more requests

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to construct these things. So, Mayor
Manzion and I agree that this let's

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bring this to the council and talk about
it with you and see what you think and

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and get your get your ideas in regards
to what we should or should not do in

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regards to this proposed land, these new
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I do also want to point out that data
center technology is advancing and

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changing rapidly. So
what exists as a data center today may

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not exist as a data center in five
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Four years ago I couldn't tell you what
AI is and now it's everywhere. So things

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are constantly changing. Who knows?
Maybe a data center will fit in a

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briefcase in 10 years or we'll all have
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Don't know. It's changing that quickly.
But I think we need to look at our code

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and and decide we need to update our
code and decide how we want to how we

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want to address this particular land
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So I'm not an expert in data centers by
trade. I am a land use and development

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planner. So as Paul would always say, I
don't even pretend to be one on TV.

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Okay. [laughter]
So I'm going to do my best to do this

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presentation.
I did take some time to do some

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research. I read numerous reports and
information about data centers, find out

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what they are, how they operate, why we
need them, why they're proliferating,

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and what other cities are doing in
regards to data centers. And I'd like to

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present to you a summary of my research,
my findings, a summary of what other

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cities have done or are doing, and then
possibly some options that we can

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consider in the future. And so, I'll
just jump right into it. You probably

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all know all this. You probably know
more about data centers than I do. So,

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if this is repetitive or boring, I
apologize, but it doesn't hurt to to

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look at some of the information.
What is a data center? A data center is

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a purpose-built building that runs large
numbers of computers reliably, securely,

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and around the clock.
Inside are the servers, storage, and

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networking gear that do the work, plus
the heavy duty cooling, backup power,

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and physical security that keeps them
running.

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One can be as small as a server room or
as large as a windowless campus the size

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of several football stadiums.
They can be wrapped in cooling,

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batteries, generators, high-capacity
links to the internet and the grid. The

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software runs the show, spreading out
the workload, flagging failures, and

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handling security. These are some images
that I found showing the inside of a

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data center. It's a big building with a
lot of computers.

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What does a data center do? A data
center stores data and runs the software

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behind the services people use all day.
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tap a card at a checkout stand, back up
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somewhere that data center does the work
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instantaneously.

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There are various types of data centers.
There are enterprise data centers which

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are built and owned and run by a single
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example of this is the Facebook data
center. Well, they call themselves Meta

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now, but the Facebook data center down
in in Eagle Mountain that is owned and

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operated by MA and is exclusive to their
to their services.

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You have collocation data centers which
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to many customers who then bring their
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I would imagine that that type of data
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think those have to be huge or small.
They can be any size. Uh the ones that

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gain a lot of attention are the
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giant enormous campuses run by a handful
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AI services at a massive scale.
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Google. And I would think that probably
Facebook and Eagle Mountain would also

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be considered a hypers scale. It's a
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You have data cloud centers. These
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service. Customers rent server storage
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only what they use.
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centers. I like to refer to these as
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smaller sites placed close to users to
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Uh time-sensitive work is handled
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gamers, live streaming, often no bigger
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here are some images of some data
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nor on the upper left corner that is a
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Virginia in Lowden County which is
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database or the data center capital of
the world. They have a lot of data

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centers in Northern Virginia. Uh the one
on the right upper right that is a a uh

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we consider a medium-sized data center.
It's just a single building. Uh lower

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left that is the Nova data center in
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a data center would look like. What they
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that is a large facility and then the
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modular data center
in regards to Tilla City and the

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information that was requested from me.
Uh those requests have been largely for

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those modular type of data centers. Um
we've had we have had discussions

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of converting existing structures to
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and uh but but largely it's the ones
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coming to the city are those small
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So why are so many of these being built?
I really like that picture on the left

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hand side. Okay. Um, I go to Vasa
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amazed at watching people lifting
weights on machines while downloading

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stuff on their phones. Um, it's it's
everywhere. People can't put down their

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phones. And so the the uh the way it's
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going up because demand for computing is
climbing on every front and AI has

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poured on fuel.
Cloud adoption, streaming, digital

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payments, remote work, business
software, and cyber security were all

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growing steadily before generative AI
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really piled on the fuel for the for the
need of the the amount the amount of

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data is immense and they need the
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So why are these controversial?
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they can be a tax windfall for a city
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time.
They bring great con great construction

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work and job construction related jobs,
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But they also lean hard and heavily on
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employing relatively few people once
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Enterprise data centers are estimated to
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of water per day. Just to give you a
visual of what that is, a an Olympicssiz

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swimming pool uses 660,000 gallons of
water. So that gives you a kind of a

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visual of what 500,000 gallons of water
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Uh this can vary significantly based on
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hypers scale centers can consume up to 5
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there is a significant burden on a city
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especially toilla city where you're
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here.
So what have other cities done in

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regards to these data centers? Now for
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most [clears throat] cities prohibit
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a handful of cities that permit them.
And as I was doing this research, I was

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quite surprised in what I found. I
thought there'd be a lot more

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regulation. Uh cities really don't have
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data centers. Uh Eagle Mountain's the
first one that came to mind when I

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worked in Riverton. Facebook tried to
come to Riverton and and the city

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council at at that time did not want
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Mountain and Eagle Mountain permitted
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Eagle Mountain zoning codes, all they
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zone and they have additional 50 foot
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adjacent to residential zones. There is
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criteria in Eagle Mountains codes
concerning concerning data centers. Uh

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the picture that you have on the right
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It occupies about 831 acres. Uh you'll
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south of Eagle Mountain City's
wastewater treatment facility. So I

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wonder if maybe there's a little water
sharing going on there with the with the

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with the data center. Uh there is a new
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immediately west of the Facebook. That
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And then you can see the residential
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the picture gradually creeping south
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Bluffdale city is probably the most
liberal city that I found in regards to

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data centers. They permit data centers
in two commercial zones and two

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industrial zones and there was no other
regulatory language found in the city's

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codes.
The image shows the NSA data center

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located uh just west of Camp Williams
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corridor. Uh that is a data center that
is administered and owned by the federal

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government, not not by a private entity.
West Jordan permits the use in one

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industrial zone and like uh Eagle
Mountain requires greater building

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setbacks when adjacent to residential
zones. Uh the facility that you see

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there is the Nova data center facility.
Uh that is a large hypers sca hypers

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scale facility there facility.
There is a residential development

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located immediately north of the project
but there's probably about 200 300 ft

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between the homes and the the entrance
to that building. That's the one in the

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picture that I showed you before.
Salt Lake City permits one or permits

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the use in one industrial zone. They did
have one qualification in their

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ordinance that requires a closed loop
water cooling system. It's all I could

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find for Salt Lake City.
Delta City, you're aware what Delta is.

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Delta is that little town located out in
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I was surprised on Delta. They are
currently building two hypers scale data

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centers. One of them is I think 14,000
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Uh Delta City could probably end up
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They have the space and apparently they
have the water. But I searched through

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their code and I could find not a single
reference to data centers. So I don't

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know how they're permitting them in
Delta City. They might be using

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development agreements or something of
that nature, but there was nothing

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codified in regards to those data
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Provo City, they recently had a an
application to convert an existing

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two-story warehouse into a data center.
Uh the city council ultimately denied a

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reszone and a ordinance amendment
necessary to enable the conversion. They

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cited that they didn't have sufficient
information to enable the the zoning

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change.
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Nephi City created a fourth industrial
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centers.
Uh what I also found interesting is in

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their code they prohibit data centers
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the city. So apparently they don't want
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interesting. Uh Santa Quinn permitted
the Summit Ridge data center and the

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requirements on this one requires closed
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generation. The image that you have
there is a rendering of the facility. It

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is not yet constructed.
That facility is anticipated to generate

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20 megawws of power right there on the
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So what are Utah counties doing? I I
want to tread water lightly when it

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comes to talking about counties. Uh
counties are not the same as cities.

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They have entirely different
considerations when it comes to land

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use. Uh consider Tilla County for
example. They have land extending from

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the peaks of the ochres all the way to
the Nevada border that could accommodate

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a hyperscale data center. We don't have
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cities don't because of their
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The other difference is a city is
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such as wastewater treatment, water that
counties are not required to provide. So

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it's bananas and apples really. We're
we're a different we're just kind of a

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different animal and what the county is
doing right now is something that I

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don't think the city needs to worry
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Duchain, Iron, and Boxelder counties are
all considering large and hyperscale

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data centers.
um very large. The one up in Boxell

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there is a 40,000 acres bigger than the
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So we're not going to get that in Tilla,
but um that's what counties are dealing

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with. So they they they look at things a
little bit differently than the city

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does.
So, in order to keep our code updated, I

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wanted to run by the city council some
options and get your input and possibly

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some direction as how to proceed or
where you'd like me to in start

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investigating or working towards.
Um, one of the option you have is do

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nothing. As I mentioned, our code
currently does not permit data centers.

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Our code is a is a code that is
it's structured as a permissive code. So

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if a use is not listed as a as permitted
in the code, it's automatically not

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permitted.
And so right now when people come in and

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they ask about data centers and if we
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no, the code doesn't permit them. Now,
after I made this slide, Mayor Manzion

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raised an interesting
thought that I had not considered, and I

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wanted to bring this to the council's
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Could a data center sneak in under
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And I was looking through our definition
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[snorts] could possibly enable a data
center without having to go through any

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kind of an an amendment. Uh we have a
research facility

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and the definition for a research
facility is a facility that conducts

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research and development work.
Pretty vague. Um a warehouse is defined

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as a building used primarily for the
inside storage of non-hazardous goods

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and materials and including accessory
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Again, pretty vague. So if someone were
to come in and make some arguments about

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putting a data center in a research
facil as a research facility, how is I,

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the community development director, tell
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So we may want to look at if the city
council is going down the path, if they

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don't want to have these here in the
city, we may want to look at amending

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some of these definitions.
I appreciate the mayor bringing those to

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my attention. That's a very valid point
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I also want to point out that these do
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properties are out of our land use
control jurisdiction. So, uh, when I'm

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referring to these things, I'm referring
to our zoning districts that are not

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part of Maida.
Uh, another thing we can consider is do

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as other cities. We could limit the use
to specific zones of your choosing,

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likely a zone that is separated from
residential areas and set regulations

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such as closed loop water systems,
self-power generation, so forth. Um, we

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could do as Nephi City did. You could
create a a fourth industrial zone that's

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specifically for data centers. And that
way the city council as part of a zoning

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map amendment would have absolute
discretion as whether or not it's going

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to go there and whether it's an
appropriate place to go. But for the

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most part, like I show like I showed
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think the reason being is
it's such a new new land use and it's an

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everchanging land use. So it's really
difficult for cities to to get a hold of

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these things.
This is the zoning map. I wanted to show

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you the location of some of our
industrial zone of all of our industrial

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zones. Um they are highlighted in red.
We have industrial zones on the very

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western extremes of the city. They are
they are shown in the purple. Uh those

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areas are largely isolated from
residential zones. If there if there is

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residential zoning nearby, it's
separated by by the light industrial

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zoning district. Uh we we did that
intentionally because as I've explained

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before, the industrial zone is a great
place for our locally unwanted land

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uses.
So that gives you an idea of where our

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industrial areas are. If the city
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that,
uh another consideration is to go all

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out. You could follow the Tula County
approach and adopt a new 28page

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ordinance regulating the development
operational minutiae of development

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centers. I think that would be overkill
for the city. I do not anticipate we'll

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be getting much more than C modular data
centers here in the city or maybe a

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conversion of an existing warehouse into
a data center. We just don't have the

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the the available real estate for a
hypers scale facility.

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Um
if you decide to go down that path, I am

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not qualified to write that ordinance. I
don't know that much about data centers.

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So, we would probably need to consider
an outside consultant or something of

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that nature to help us write that. Um,
again, this is just an a discussion. I

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want to make sure our code is updated
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And in this regard, it's something that
I need your help and need your advice to

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decide what to do. So, I'm open to any
questions, comments, rebukes, rebuttals,

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00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:48,279
or feedback.

414
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:56,320
» Okay. any questions, comments, feedback?
>> That was a really good presentation. So,

415
00:32:53,919 --> 00:33:01,360
thank you for that information. Um, I do
know that we had discussed going on a

416
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:06,000
tour of a data center and um I would be
interested in being able to physically

417
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:10,720
go and see u one that's operating and
that would probably help me to

418
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,480
I would like to go with you. I would
like to go to one as well.

419
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,760
» Okay. Because like I said, we don't know
a lot about these these land uses and I

420
00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:22,320
think other cities are grappling with
the same problem. That's why there's a

421
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:27,120
lot of vagodies in the codes.
So if we had a code allowing a data

422
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:32,399
center, how do we limit the amount of
water and power? because we we have

423
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:38,159
other users that are not data centers
that they've they told us they want to

424
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:42,480
use as much water as they truly do and
then there's really nothing that the

425
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:46,000
city can do to go, you know, get the
water back. So, how do we how would you

426
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,279
limit it?
>> I think the only limitation you could do

427
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:54,559
would be to limit the size of the
facility.

428
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:59,919
limit limit it to modular facilities or
to existing structures where water is

429
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:04,480
already being provided to the structure.
Um I don't know how you could otherwise

430
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:10,399
limit the water use other than having
Shannon's guys go out there and turn off

431
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:13,200
the meters at a certain usage. Um
enforcability in that regard would be

432
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,839
very difficult. I think the ultimate
enforcement you would have be to limit

433
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:20,879
the size.
>> Okay. So I've got a question. So there

434
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:26,079
were a couple of those cities that
mentioned closed loop system. So I just

435
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:31,119
want maybe everybody to understand. If
if my understanding is wrong, tell me.

436
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:35,599
So you have like a radiant heat floor
and it's got tubes of water that heat

437
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,919
your house, right? You're not adding
water to that every day. It stays in

438
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:43,440
that loop. So some of those cities were
saying it had to be a closed loop system

439
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,040
if it was in the city. So that would
control the water use because it would

440
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:51,679
be a one-time use. Correct. I think it
would limit the water use. Water in the

441
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:54,879
closed loop system can go for a while,
but then it gets to a point where it's

442
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,240
degraded to a point that it has to be
discharged.

443
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,440
» Okay.
>> Um

444
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,880
Nathan probably has some information on
that. He he actually has some

445
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:07,440
information from a situation in Cheyenne
where they have something like this. So,

446
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:11,520
» good evening, council. Uh so, we don't
have a lot of information on the closed

447
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:14,640
loops uh uh system technology as of
right now. It seems like every time we

448
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:19,520
ask for it, we get told, "Yeah, yeah,
we'll go take you and look at it." And

449
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:23,119
then we never get any response. So, as
of right now, we have one new story out

450
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,839
of Cheyenne where a closed loop system
was being worked on and they discharged

451
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:32,800
and the sewer plant was able to detect a
a high amount of a certain bacteria that

452
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:39,119
they weren't used to seeing in their
wastewater effluent. So, um there's some

453
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:43,520
issues with with this. The the water can
be reused for a time. Sometimes, from

454
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:49,520
what we understand, it's up to a year,
could be five years. We've heard varying

455
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:53,359
levels of of time, but it is a big flush
when they have to reset it. So, whatever

456
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,359
their system can handle, they're going
to discharge that at a certain rate,

457
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:02,000
which would probably be too much for our
sewer plant to handle, we'd have to

458
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:06,560
regulate that. Um, and then again, it
would be a big draw on our water system

459
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:10,800
to fill that that water system back up.
>> So, does it evaporate within the system?

460
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,880
No, it's it's it's mostly just that it
loses its ability to cool.

461
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,240
» Okay.
>> There is a glycol additive or some other

462
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,560
additive that they use to kind of
preserve it, but it does lose its

463
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:24,079
ability to to to to cool the machines
depending on how hot it's running and

464
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,560
and other factors.
>> So, that would make the water usage

465
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:32,079
less, but it still is going to continue
to need more water. Yeah, it'd be

466
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:37,119
significantly less, but again, it' be
impacts down this downstream in the

467
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:40,960
sewer plant or in other in other ways,
especially if they have to add additive

468
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:44,720
to the water. We don't know what that
would do to the sewer treatment plant,

469
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:48,720
the bugs and the other processes that we
have to go through. We'd have to work

470
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:51,680
that out and work on our permitting
process to to be able to accept that

471
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:55,599
water.
>> Perfect.

472
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:59,280
My only other comment was I want to
thank the people that are in attendance

473
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:03,359
[clears throat] tonight because I went
to the county meeting and that was kind

474
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:07,520
of wild and so I appreciate everybody
having the signs and being respectful.

475
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:13,320
So
I'm glad they're here as well and we we

476
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:13,320
we encourage the involvement.

477
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:23,040
And then you had mentioned that if we do
nothing that a data center can't come

478
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:27,359
because it's not in our code. But a
while back we had a company who had

479
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:32,000
lithium ion batteries or something like
that that were being stored into a city

480
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:37,040
and our code didn't allow that and then
we had to make a change to the code that

481
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,200
restricted that.
So that's my question. Is it enough just

482
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:46,720
to not have a code restricting it or do
you have to specifically say we don't

483
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:52,720
allow this use at all so they don't
work, you know, find a loophole or

484
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:57,520
whatever you want to call it.
I would recommend that if this is a use

485
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:03,359
that you're not inclined to want in the
city at this time that we do an

486
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:07,520
amendment that outrightly prohibits
them. And it could be as simple as just

487
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:12,880
including it in our table of commercial
uses and then not including the P or the

488
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:18,880
C for permitted and or commercial. That
way it's clearly there. Um, right now

489
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:23,680
it's not. And as I as I mentioned with
with warehouses and with research

490
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:28,079
facilities, people get very creative
with how they define what they're doing.

491
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:32,720
And it's very difficult for staff to
say, "No, you're wrong. You're not doing

492
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:37,440
that." and we are obligated to approve
things if it can meet the the parameters

493
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:42,240
of the ordinance. So it it would be very
beneficial from my perspective. If you

494
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:47,359
don't want them in the city in the areas
that are not MIDIA, let's prohibit them.

495
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,440
Let's put let's put let's put something
in the table of commercial uses. Let's

496
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:56,000
amend the definitions of warehouse and
so forth to clearly mean that they're

497
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:58,960
not talking about data centers. I think
that would be be beneficial.

498
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:03,119
» Okay.
>> Because you're right. I mean it's people

499
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,400
get very creative in how they interpret
things.

500
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,480
» Yeah.
>> So

501
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,200
» it's one more question. So you said
you've had people come approach the

502
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,800
city.
>> I have people call me from time to time

503
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:15,680
and they have a vacant piece of land
that they want to do something with and

504
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,359
they'll ask can we do a data center
there

505
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:23,839
» and you just say it's not
>> I say right now our code does not

506
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:28,240
address them. Okay. So I I think we
probably should do what he's

507
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:34,400
recommending myself for now and if we
change our minds later just take it out.

508
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:45,040
But for now until we know exactly
cuz I agree with him about the with AI

509
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:48,880
um it is it is evolving so fast until we
don't know what it's going to be next

510
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:54,320
month. I mean, we've already I mean, I I
we've seen it on the on the TV

511
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:58,560
that AI has advanced so much now until
it it's already started doing things on

512
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:03,680
its own
that that it's not asked to do.

513
00:40:00,602 --> 00:40:08,240
[laughter] So, it's just a matter. It's
just a matter before it gets really

514
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:12,880
wild. So I I I honestly think until we
are certain we want a data center, we

515
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:17,040
probably should use that suggestion is
put it put it in there and said no until

516
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,720
we know for a fact that's what we want
to do.

517
00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:24,800
» And like Andrew said too, I mean the
technology is changing so quickly, maybe

518
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,240
some of the problems that persist today
aren't going to persist.

519
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:32,960
» Yeah. One one of the reports I read
stated how fast it's changing that we

520
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,280
may not need data centers in 10 years.
>> Yeah.

521
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:41,760
» They don't know. That's the that's the
that's the issue is nobody knows.

522
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:44,760
» So,
okay.

523
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:51,040
Are there any other questions or
comments?

524
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:54,640
» So, would you like me to begin putting
together an ordinance amendment and

525
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:58,880
bringing that prep back to the to the
council for consideration another work

526
00:40:56,319 --> 00:41:02,400
session or how would you like
>> I think we need more discussion on it.

527
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:07,359
This is the challenge that I don't know
if anyone wants to say this out loud,

528
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:12,000
but it's hard to know.
It's hard to make an ordinance when we

529
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:15,680
don't know what the potential benefit
could be to the city as well. And people

530
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:19,920
don't like to hear that because they
hear data center and it's an automatic

531
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,599
no. But there is an economic impact to
the city.

532
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:28,240
um just as many people are out there
right now when we raise taxes, there's

533
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,920
five times more people yelling at us
because we're raising taxes. And so

534
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:37,359
that's the challenge that the city
council has is how do we set the city up

535
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:41,440
in a position where economically
we don't have to raise taxes on our

536
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:45,359
residents, but we're still trying to
make sure that we're using the land the

537
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,200
best way possible. We're using the
resources we have best the best way

538
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:54,720
possible. So,
if I was going to allow a data center,

539
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:58,800
which I'm not saying I am, it would be a
very small area in the community and we

540
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:01,680
would have to be able to restrict water.
We'd have to make sure that they have

541
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:05,040
their own power. Like, there would be so
many things that we would have to do to

542
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:10,640
protect our citizens and make sure that
it's the best thing for our community.

543
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:14,400
So, it's hard to just flat out say no
when

544
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:19,760
maybe the best thing comes along.
There's better technology and and we're

545
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:25,359
behind on that. So, I see both sides of
it. I think with our water situation, it

546
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:28,800
it's easy right now to probably say now
is not the best time because we know

547
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:34,800
that they're they're likely high water
users. But I think at some point we have

548
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:39,520
to have an open mind to change and
change isn't easy for a lot of people

549
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:45,119
and I I was a little kid when the
internet came out and I I remember

550
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:50,400
seeing that change and my kids to my
kids now it's just every day we use the

551
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:55,040
internet but when I was a kid it was
this new technology that was coming out.

552
00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:59,359
I remember Y2K, the world was going to
shut down when

553
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:04,160
» we hit the year 2000 and and here we
are. We're we're still here. So, I'm

554
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:08,560
open to having an an open mind about
things and discussing things, but if the

555
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:14,079
council decides that it's in the best
interest of the community right now to

556
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:19,920
to specifically say no data centers, I I
would be willing to do that as well. But

557
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:26,720
and I and and don't don't get me wrong,
I'm not I said we can do that because we

558
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:33,760
we can always change it and but for now
until we get a our a handle around it,

559
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:38,960
I'd assume we say no until we figure it
all out ourselves. I agree. We we should

560
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:45,119
talk some more a lot more because I mean
there's places where water is there that

561
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:48,960
we can't use because it's unfit for
human consumption.

562
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:54,319
And I think that might be something to
look at if if we got water that we can't

563
00:43:51,440 --> 00:44:00,160
use without taking it to um a processing
plant or

564
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:07,280
building a a a plant that will clean it.
that might not be a bad place to to put

565
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:11,599
one of these things with this the
if we specify that it's that is the

566
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:17,040
water that they would use something that
we can't use and

567
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:20,480
I would go so much as saying like the
other company that told them to put a

568
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:26,240
power plant on their property we can ask
them to build um

569
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:30,400
a a plant that will clean some of the
water and what they don't use we can we

570
00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:34,319
can use it ourselves
cuz right now we can't physically clean

571
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:38,880
the water because we we don't have the
funds to clean it to make it, you know,

572
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:45,359
drinkable.
>> But so I I I'm just saying if we do that

573
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:49,520
for now and we meet and work with these
guys and just find some other some I

574
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,400
agree with what you're saying. I really
do.

575
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:56,720
» Yeah. I'm just saying if someone I've
seen some of the numbers that someone

576
00:44:54,079 --> 00:45:00,880
from MIA has spoke with us about a
potential data center and the numbers

577
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:06,319
are insane the revenue that it brings to
your city. It's that's why these cities

578
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:10,319
are doing it. Let's be realistic. They
it makes so they don't have to raise

579
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:14,400
their taxes on their residents. And when
we raise taxes, we get so much push

580
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,480
back. The room fills up. We're told
we're stupid. We're idiots. We don't

581
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:21,839
know what we're doing. but then you're
saying no to something that can greatly

582
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:26,480
impact your community as well. So that's
that's the challenge that the council

583
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:32,400
has. Um even on the county, I'm sure
they have that same experience. So

584
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:36,319
I don't know where the council wants to
go with this if

585
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:41,200
» I mean it's sufficient to leave nothing
right now and then if we had someone who

586
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,000
wanted to present something but I also
don't want to be behind the eightball

587
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,760
either where that's why we're having
this discussion today is we're

588
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:53,280
proactively trying to make sure that
someone doesn't loophole us sneak in

589
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:58,800
» so well and if I heard right um correct
me if I'm wrong but you had said the

590
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:00,720
ones that are coming and and asking are
very small ones.

591
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,640
» Yeah, they're the
>> So, I don't even know if those are the

592
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:09,760
same numbers as what
>> you know the other obviously box elder

593
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:15,680
was huge, right? But, uh
>> if if they're small, they may not have

594
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:21,119
the same economic impact anyway to to
justify doing it. I don't know. I think

595
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:26,880
it's we need to hear more for sure, but
I'm fine leaving it like Dave said,

596
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:30,000
leave it closed until
until such time that

597
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:35,920
» just leave it the way it is
>> or yeah, if you add something to the

598
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:40,480
code that says no data centers, then
you you don't even have the option of no

599
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:45,200
one's going to come, right, and just
say, oh, you don't

600
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:49,760
» we want you to change your code or so
>> you either say no and it's a hard no.

601
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:53,839
And I agree with you that the scale that
we would have would be so much smaller

602
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:58,960
than anything anywhere else cuz we don't
geographically have a lot of places to

603
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:03,119
put it. So maybe one of the best things
we do right now is is leave the code as

604
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:08,160
is, but go in and amend the definitions
of warehouse and and research facility

605
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:14,319
so these facilities don't sneak in under
the radar or sneak in under a colorful

606
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:20,319
interpretation. Um, that way I think uh
we can tie up some loose ends in that

607
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:23,040
regard. Um, I'm happy to I'm happy to do
more research and throw some things

608
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,800
together and bring them back to you for
more discussion and

609
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:32,000
no problem doing that at all. I actually
enjoy doing the research. So,

610
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:38,319
» and I I'm open for more discussion and
information. As I mentioned, a a tour, a

611
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:43,040
site facility tour would be good. um
what uh Nathan presented to us about the

612
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,359
closed loop system is that when they
discharge the impact that it is that was

613
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,720
new information to me. So I really think
that we have a lot more to learn and a

614
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:54,800
lot more to discuss before making
decisions.

615
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,160
» I drove I can't remember where it was in
Salt Lake. I'm driving around town

616
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:02,720
trying to find this restaurant and I
drive past this eBay data center. I had

617
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:08,000
no idea it was a data center. It looks
like a warehouse. And so I don't think

618
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:12,480
it's what it looks like that we're
concerned about. I think it's what it

619
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:17,839
can do to our water and our power and
our environment and things like that. So

620
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:22,720
I don't know that seeing one for me is
really going to change a lot cuz I think

621
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:27,359
seeing it it just looks like a building.
in the pictures you saw us. It's it's

622
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:31,440
the resources that it uses and
>> and that would be my biggest concern if

623
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:38,160
we ever did approve anything like that
is how do we limit what they can use

624
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:40,559
and I question if we can truly do that.
>> Yeah.

625
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:43,440
» Without them just saying we're going to
do this anyways kind of thing because

626
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:48,720
we've had that happen with different
businesses and it it's difficult to

627
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:53,520
enforce a lot of things. So yeah,
>> one of the things about data centers

628
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:56,720
that I' I've learned in my reading is
once they're established, once you've

629
00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:01,440
worked out the water situation, once
you've worked out the power, once the

630
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:05,280
construction is done, they generate very
little impact to surrounding properties.

631
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:09,839
They don't have a lot of employees, they
don't have a lot of truck traffic. U

632
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:15,520
they are they are utilizing technologies
now that keep them quieter. Uh so once

633
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:20,319
they're established, like you said, it's
nothing more than just a big warehouse

634
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:23,040
with computers inside, but those those
issues that you mentioned are the

635
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:29,440
critical ones, especially for Twilla
City. So it's a it's an interesting it's

636
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:33,599
an interesting land use.
>> Well, I would think for now if we

637
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,960
tighten up some things that
with our research what's it called? The

638
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,480
research and development area or land
use.

639
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:42,559
» Yeah, the research and development zone
and then the warehouses the warehouse

640
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:45,599
use. I would feel comfortable about
doing that.

641
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:48,559
» Just clarifying what
>> Just clarifying what they are.

642
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:52,000
» Yeah, I think that's good.
>> And then later on, if if you're you're

643
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,920
more comfortable with things, we could
then consider another ordinance

644
00:49:53,520 --> 00:50:00,480
amendment for specifically for data
centers.

645
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:06,559
Um, that's a great way to proceed.
>> Okay. And for the public, we we we have

646
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:11,760
these discussions in public so you can
see kind of what we're thinking and that

647
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:15,280
we're not just we're trying to be as
transparent as possible. We don't want

648
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:20,319
it to look like we we don't listen. We
do care about what our residents think

649
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:25,359
and if it ever came to changing the code
in any way, even if we change this

650
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:30,319
research and development zoning, it it
has a public comment period and that's

651
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:33,920
the time for the public to come up and
speak with the council and we're also

652
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:40,800
happy to speak with you outside of
meetings as well. So, okay. Is there any

653
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:42,480
other discussion on this topic?
>> Okay.

654
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:45,920
» Okay. Thanks, council.
>> Thank you.

655
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:49,520
» Okay. Okay, our next discussion item is
a demonstration garden. This is

656
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:53,920
presented by Nathan Far, the public
works director. Hopefully, this is a

657
00:50:51,440 --> 00:51:01,280
little more of a positive discussion.
Um, we have the opportunity to um well,

658
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:04,720
we ran into the opportunity to do
something positive with some of the

659
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:09,359
space in our community that is not being
utilized. It's mostly Tilla City

660
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:15,920
property. Um, we have uh detention
basins and other uh city infrastructure

661
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:22,400
that houses tanks and well sites that
could be used better, I think. And so we

662
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:28,319
we found a grant through the Utah
Department of Agriculture and Food. Uh

663
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:33,200
we applied for it on a whim and uh I
didn't understand that it was mostly for

664
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:37,599
like homeowners and small uses. And so I
applied for as many uh kits as they

665
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:44,240
would give me and they gave me 50 which
is about 1,600 plants. So um if we can

666
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:49,520
go to slide number one. The UT Utah Utah
uh pollinator habitat program uh was

667
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:54,160
created in March of 2021 as a pilot
program for three years. It was extended

668
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:58,800
through 2025 and then made permanent.
Um, it is an opportunity for uh Utah

669
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:07,040
homeowners and businesses and
communities to plant native um

670
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:13,119
pollinator friendly species in gardens
to encourage bees and butterflies and

671
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:20,400
hummingbirds and other pollinators to
thrive and to restore natural habitat.

672
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:25,119
Um, we felt like this would be a good
use and a good opportunity for us to

673
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:31,440
educate the public in Tilla on how to
landscape without making it look like

674
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:37,280
Mars. We want Tilla to look more like it
did when the pioneers and the indigenous

675
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:41,520
peoples were first here. And so we hope
that by doing this demonstration garden

676
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:46,480
on one of our bigger properties, we can
provide an opportunity for people to

677
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:50,640
come and see what a responsible um
native landscaping would look like and

678
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:55,920
at the same time provide opportunities
for a a large portion of the native

679
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,920
flora and fauna to thrive in our
community. Um that's kind of hard to

680
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:05,920
read. It's up close, but there are more
than 900 species of native bees alone in

681
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:11,040
that call Utah home. Um that's in
addition to the butterflies, moths, uh

682
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:16,880
hummingbirds and other insects that
pollinate uh the the food that we enjoy

683
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:21,760
and the the the flowers and trees that
we that we have come to rely on. Go to

684
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:27,280
the next slide.
So the impact for the 2025 uh report for

685
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:31,520
the amount of plants they gave out and
the gardens that were created they

686
00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:36,960
believe that of the 502 applicants and
the 382 award awardees

687
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:44,800
um they had 87,000 plants that were
grown and a total of 37 acres covered

688
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:51,280
which contributed to saving 29,24,000
gallons of water in the year 2025. Um

689
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:54,720
these plants know how to live in Utah.
These are native. They understand what

690
00:53:53,359 --> 00:54:00,640
it's like to live in a high mountain
desert. And so planting these in in

691
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:06,160
areas like your backyard garden or in an
area that can be used as a as a walking

692
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:12,160
trail are good opportunities for us to
use little water and m and still create

693
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:17,839
beautiful spaces.
So this is the lot that we chose. It

694
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:22,400
currently houses one of our our tanks.
This is one of our water storage tanks.

695
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:27,119
And you can see from the top right
picture, it's a big circle and you see

696
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:30,559
the three light colored areas kind of
around the edge. Those are areas that

697
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:35,040
will need to be protected. Those are
access hatches to the tank. So, they

698
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:39,839
will have some kind of fencing around
them. But the rest of the site is just

699
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,839
right now surrounded by a chain link
fence. You can see it in the bottom two

700
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:50,720
pictures. and it's weeds that get moaned
down twice a year and pretty

701
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:55,280
ugly and kind of an eyesore in the
community. And so we thought, why not

702
00:54:53,200 --> 00:55:01,200
make it beautiful? We'll we'll tear the
fences down. We will uh do some some

703
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:06,480
walking paths through there and make it
something that the community can use. So

704
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:11,200
the next slide. So this is a plan that
was put together by Andrew actually. Um,

705
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:15,680
Andrew has a background in landscape
design and so uh together we we talked a

706
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:22,000
little bit about what the the thought
was and he put together this design for

707
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:27,119
us and we think this is what we want. We
want to have something where people can

708
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:33,040
go and reflect um possibly sit and relax
and kind of see what's possible in a

709
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,559
Utah backyard or a Utah front yard. And
so some of the plants that he's listed

710
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:42,160
around the edges are some of the plants
that we we hope to be able to get. We're

711
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:47,359
not guaranteed the plants. Um, they they
plant what they they have and then if it

712
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:52,240
grows, we get it. So, um, the next slide
will show some of the options that they

713
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,520
say have grown this year. So, you can
see the nodding onion, the sticky

714
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:01,440
geranium. I love the names. The names
are fantastic. Um, analopee horn,

715
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:06,240
milkweed, sulfur, flour, buckwheat, the
fire chalice looks gorgeous up close.

716
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:10,799
The cyotes grandma is just one of the
examples of a native grass and the

717
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:17,280
Wasatch Pensamman.
These are all examples of plants that we

718
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:21,599
might have the opportunity to pick up um
and and have in this garden. And so we

719
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:26,000
would augment that with some of the
things that Andrews suggested. And uh

720
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:30,480
there again, this is only a portion of
what's possible. And so the rest of the

721
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:35,920
list um we'll be able to flesh out the
rest of that park. We did, like I said,

722
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:39,599
we got 1,600 plants, individual plants,
and so we have the opportunity to make

723
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:43,760
this a really awesome space. We're
excited about the the opportunity, and

724
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:48,480
we've had some interest. Um, let's go to
the next. Um, we've had the in has some

725
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:53,680
interest already from a local scout
troop um and even a number of the city

726
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:58,880
employees uh expressing an interest in
helping to make this happen. um from

727
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:04,720
volunteer work to you know putting aside
time to do it after hours. Um we would

728
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,160
we would hope that we could get this out
on the just serve website and other

729
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:11,680
areas so that we can invite many more of
the community members to come and

730
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:16,400
participate in this. Um we really think
this is going to be something that we

731
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:20,799
can use here and then develop and use
other areas of the city. Like I said, we

732
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:25,040
have a lot of these retention basins and
other areas in the city that e are

733
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:30,960
either using a lot of water to water
grass or are being unused and just have

734
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:36,000
to keep mowing the weeds down to keep it
from starting on fire in fire season.

735
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:40,880
So, this is the the plan moving forward.
We're hopeful that um uh once we pick up

736
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:45,280
the plants, this will be something we
can kind of show off and have a ribbon

737
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:49,520
cutting for later this fall. Uh our
pickup date will be Saturday, September

738
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,280
12th, and I'll coordinate that. We'll go
up to Ogden and pick up our plants and

739
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:57,760
bring them back. And then uh hopefully
by October, we'll be able to kind of

740
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:01,520
celebrate this as a an awesome
achievement. So, we wanted to make you

741
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,720
aware of this. This is something that we
hope to be able to do um in the next few

742
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,280
years. We're going to apply for the
grant again next year. We'll probably

743
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:11,200
scale back a little bit. I didn't
realize how many plants came with 50

744
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:15,359
kits. So, um, maybe a little bit off a
little more than I could chew on this

745
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:20,415
one, but, um, it was a grant and it was
free. So, hey, I I I saved us some

746
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,415
money, Dave. How's that? [laughter]

747
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:25,520
» So, any questions that you have for me
at this time?

748
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:30,400
» So, are you installing a drip system?
>> Yes, we will be installing a drip

749
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:34,160
system. We've we want to we know that in
this case it's not going to be a zero

750
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:37,359
water use, but if we install the drip
system, we'll be able to get the water

751
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:41,040
where it needs to go and uh give the
plants what they need to thrive.

752
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,680
» And your plan is to have this whole
thing complete this year.

753
00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:47,359
» Yeah. By
>> Yeah, we and we had talked about

754
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:53,040
possibly not doing concrete paths and
maybe just doing either dirt or some

755
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:58,079
kind of mulch or rock path uh throughout
just to kind of make it more inviting

756
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:02,000
that in that way. Um, but also it seems
like the the bees and other insects and

757
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:06,319
things would do better if we didn't make
it hard hard travel and and we would

758
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:10,880
probably discourage more people from
riding their electric bikes through it,

759
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:14,000
which we don't want that either. So,
>> I'm excited to see this. It'll be great.

760
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,760
» We're excited.
>> Where is the West Meadow subdivision? I

761
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,839
wasn't sure where that was located. So,
uh, if we go back to that, can we go

762
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:26,720
back to that slide that has the,
um, So, yeah, you can see on there it's

763
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:32,160
about 900 south
and about 700 west or 800 west is that?

764
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:36,720
Oh,
>> so it's down near

765
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:40,640
» north of Settlement Canyon Elementary.
>> Okay.

766
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:44,799
» So, yeah. In fact, uh we were down there
working and a police officer said we had

767
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:47,839
a student whose shoe got thrown over the
fence and when I went and helped him

768
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:51,839
retrieve the shoe, I thought, boy, this
is a waste of space and then we saw this

769
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,520
grant and thought we could use that
space better. So, I think this is a good

770
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:59,440
use for that.
>> Okay, thank you.

771
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:02,880
» But thanks.
>> Okay, item six is a closed meeting. We

772
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:08,160
do have a closed meeting tonight to
discuss litigation andor property

773
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:13,599
acquisition. I will entertain a motion.
>> Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion to that um

774
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:16,160
move to to a close session.
>> I'll second.

775
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:19,599
» We have a motion from Councilwoman Goes
and a second from Councilman McCall.

776
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,559
We'll take it to a vote. Councilman
McCall.

777
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,319
» I.
>> Councilwoman Gochas.

778
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,680
» I.
>> Councilman Gossit.

779
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:26,559
» I.
>> Councilman Hansen.

780
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:34,640
» I.
>> I'm Councilman Brady and I vote I. That

781
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:34,640
passes 5. It's 6:33 p.m.