[0:05] Okay,
>> there we go. Okay, it is Wednesday,
[0:09] August 5th, 2026. The time is 5:32 p.m.
We started a little late due to some
[0:15] technical issues. The Twilla City
Council is meeting in a work meeting
[0:19] that is being held at Twilla City Hall
in the council chambers located at 90
[0:23] North Main Street in Tilla, Utah. We're
also streaming this electronically on
[0:27] the Twilla City YouTube channel. We will
start with the roll call. Councilman
[0:31] Gosset,
>> present.
[0:32] » Councilwoman Goes,
>> present.
[0:34] » Councilman McCall,
>> present.
[0:36] » Councilman Hansen,
>> I'm present [clears throat] by phone.
[0:40] » And I'm Councilman Brady, and I'm also
present. We'll move on to item three,
[0:44] which is the mayor's report.
>> Thank you, council. Um, I just have a
[0:47] couple of things today. Um, in case you
weren't aware, we had a change of
[0:52] command at the Tula Army Depot. So, we
have a new colonel, Colonel Fortune
[0:56] there. um he's going to be a great
addition to Chila and we have some
[1:00] upcoming changes at the Dougway uh
proving grounds too. Some changes going
[1:04] on there. So report on those once we
attend to those. We've had a couple of
[1:09] meetings with U DOT in regards to the
Mid Valley Highway and our corridor
[1:14] access agreement with U DOT. So we're
working through some challenges there
[1:18] and trying to work with UD do to get
what's best for Tula City and moving
[1:21] forward with that. Um and then I was
able to attend also the senior center um
[1:27] across the street. They've become the
first ever city center of kindness and
[1:33] they invited uh me to their celebration.
Counciloman McCll was there as well and
[1:39] they are moving forward just like we're
a city of kindness um with the kindness
[1:43] initiatives and they were pretty excited
about that. They had a great turnout.
[1:47] There were hundreds of people there to
celebrate and Mr. Sumani from the
[1:50] Sandani Foundation came out to to
celebrate with them and um then one just
[1:58] last we had a pre- disaster mitigation
meeting with um the county and some
[2:04] people from the state and just talking
about our disaster mitigation plan. And
[2:09] so in the near future future, there will
be some surveys on line that come out
[2:14] through the county emergency management
um and just getting some pre-work done
[2:20] so that we can complete our disaster
mitigation plan and of course that's
[2:23] done countywide and we'll participate in
that with them. So that is my report for
[2:28] today.
>> Thank you. We'll move on to item four
[2:32] which is the council members report.
We'll start with Councilman McCall.
[2:37] Oh, I attended the um senior
um event as well. And that as the mayor
[2:44] said, that was pretty good. And um
for some reason, I can't think of the
[2:49] other couple of things that I did. I
should have wrote them down, but I
[2:53] didn't. But that concludes my report.
>> Thank you, Councilman Hansen.
[2:59] Um
>> I think I'll just wait till next time
[3:01] when I'm there in person to to report on
them. There's a few things, but I'll
[3:05] just save them. Okay. Okay. Thank you,
Councilwoman Goes.
[3:10] » Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I also
attended the Tula Army Dep Depot of
[3:14] Command ceremony and it was very
[clears throat]
[3:17] dignified and we welcome uh the colonel
and uh his family to Tilla. Um, also I
[3:25] attended an RDA executive board meeting
on that day and then also went on a tour
[3:30] of the water reclamation facility. So, I
just want to thank uh Troy Meyers and
[3:35] the staff down there. Um he's the water
reclamation supervisor and uh they have
[3:42] an enormous amount of work. They process
millions of gallons of waste water
[3:46] daily. Uh they use advanced treatment
stages to produce reuse water. And of
[3:52] course, uh we know that that we did
upgrade the Headworks building at a cost
[3:57] of $6.9 million, but there's a lot more
to come. So, we really appreciate Troy
[4:02] and all the work that they do. Um, on
the 17th, I attended a flock training
[4:08] with the Tula City Police Department. It
was uh very informational. I also
[4:13] attended my monthly meeting with the
mayor, Mayor Manzion on the 27th.
[4:19] And then on the 30th, I attended
spokesperson training at the Tula City
[4:23] Police Department. Good information
there. And on the 3rd, I attended the
[4:27] growth summit meeting uh with Twilla
County at the Twilla Technical College
[4:33] uh regarding the nuclear life cycle
campus. And that concludes my dis my
[4:39] report.
>> Thank you, Councilman Gossip.
[4:42] » You know, I was sitting over here
thinking what what did I do? Had my
[4:45] meeting with the mayor as well. Uh took
a tour with Nathan of the wastewater.
[4:53] telling you think when you flush the
toilet it just magically
[4:58] just disappears. It's amazing the amount
of work that goes through that facility
[5:03] just to take care of the waste water for
Twilla. I was felt like I got a PhD in
[5:08] it, Nathan. So, thank you. I mean, that
was it was pretty amazing. And uh my
[5:14] wife thanks you too cuz I came home and
told her all about it and she's, you
[5:18] know, that much more impressed now. But
uh
[5:22] » really
>> and I can't think of the other thing
[5:24] that I did.
>> I know I went to another meeting. It may
[5:28] have been the one that was at the county
health department for the communities
[5:32] that care. I can't remember.
[clears throat]
[5:33] But uh yeah, it's been a good couple of
weeks. So
[5:37] » Okay, that's it. Thank you. I attended
many of these same meetings. The tour at
[5:42] the reclamation facility was great. It's
always good to see firsthand the things
[5:48] that we're voting on and we know that
there's a lot of work to do there, but
[5:51] we're up for the challenge. And then the
weekly staff meeting with the mayor, the
[5:58] staff continues to do great and they
always have great ideas and really care
[6:02] about the community. So, thanks for all
you guys do. We will move on to our
[6:06] discussion items. Our first discussion
item is a discussion on a fee schedule
[6:11] discussion for records and police
department. This is presented by Matthew
[6:15] Johnson, the city attorney.
[6:20] » Thank you, chairman. Thank you, council.
Um,
[6:24] this is an issue that staff wanted to
bring to council's attention early in
[6:28] the process. So, [clears throat]
you'll see that there's a a draft in in
[6:32] tonight's packet. It's a first draft.
It's a very rough draft. Um uh
[6:39] uh city attorney's office met with the
city recorder and with uh Chief Day uh
[6:45] regarding um responses to records
requests under Utah government records
[6:51] access and management act grandma. Um
[snorts] what we're seeing is that
[6:58] um the fee schedule that we have in
place does comply with uh what's allowed
[7:04] by grandma, but it doesn't completely
incorporate uh maybe what the city could
[7:09] impose as fees uh for these requests. Um
we're not trying to raise fees, but we
[7:15] are trying to make sure that the costs
to the city are are covered by the fees.
[7:20] grandma allows um the city to charge a
reasonable fee to cover the actual cost
[7:26] of of responding to her record. Um and I
feel old saying this, but it's getting
[7:32] more and more to where it's not the cost
of paper and toner and stuff to copy it.
[7:36] It's um a lot more the hours to compile
electronic records in a way that we can
[7:42] actually forward it to someone else,
especially if we have public records
[7:47] combined with protected or private
records.
[7:50] trying to to separate those or redact
those. Um so we're looking at a few
[7:55] options to change. The current fee
schedule basically has
[8:01] um two two ways to account for that um
for for
[8:08] uh that uh compiling and redaction. One
is if anything's redacted, the record is
[8:13] is doubled the the price. Um, which a
lot of times if it's a paper copy, it's
[8:19] a few cents. It's just doubles that
price. It's a little more if if uh for
[8:25] example, if a police video has to be
redacted, it is a little a little
[8:29] pricier. Um, and also, and this covers
the police video situation, it's um it
[8:37] it allows for uh a compilation fee of
$15
[8:42] uh per hour for the compilation. Um,
like I say, that doesn't conflict with
[8:48] the state code. The state code allows
for um uh if a city um searches,
[8:55] retrievas, retrieves, compiles or
anything and that record is not in the
[9:00] form that the city keeps it in, then we
can charge an hourly rate at the lowest
[9:07] salary of of whoever is qualified to do
the work, regardless who actually does
[9:11] it. Um so we're we're working on some of
the language to to make it more
[9:16] consistent with that. It is convenient
to have, okay, it's just $15. We always
[9:20] know what it is, but
uh we we'd have to update that and it
[9:26] also might be a situation where u
someone else with a different salary has
[9:31] to has to comply with it. Um, we're also
looking at keeping language in there to
[9:39] have some discretion for the records
officer, whether it's the city reporters
[9:44] office or whether it's the police
department to say, "Well, for this
[9:48] particular
request, it just doesn't make sense to
[9:51] to charge an hourly rate. We'll go back
to either the redaction, the double the
[9:57] fee charge or or something like that
just because administratively we're
[10:02] going to we're going to cost more
resources more city resources to do that
[10:07] than to just um do what we're doing or
just to wave the fee. In some
[10:11] circumstances, the state code does allow
um the city to to wave uh fees and in
[10:18] some circumstances actually encourages
the city to wave fees um in particular
[10:23] for meteor requests. But I feel like I
covered a lot. Are there any questions?
[10:29] Like I say, we're just kind of looking
for we wanted to alert the council, see
[10:33] if council had any input, any questions,
any direction for the city as we work
[10:39] through some of the details of this.
>> I don't have any questions. I know that
[10:43] the police department gets a lot of
grammar requests and they spend a lot of
[10:47] lot of time going through the records
and redacting where they need to. So, I
[10:52] think it's important that the city's not
losing money doing that. We're not
[10:56] trying to profit off of it. We're just
trying to pay for the person doing that.
[11:01] So, I don't have anything else. Does
anyone else have questions or comments?
[11:06] » No, it's just it is a time consuming
task. So,
[11:10] » it it is and [clears throat] it seems to
be getting more and more so whether it's
[11:13] » the Well, I think it's both the the
greater number of requests and the more
[11:17] expensive requests that we're getting.
So, it it is getting more and more
[11:21] » timeconuming for the city. Yeah.
>> Okay.
[11:25] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[11:26] » Thank you.
Okay, we'll move on to our next
[11:28] discussion item. It's a discussion on
data centers in Twilla City and whether
[11:32] city ordinances should be amended to
appropriately respond to these potential
[11:36] uses. This is presented by Andrew Agard,
the community development director.
[11:42] Thank you, Chairman Brady, members of
the city council. I appreciate your time
[11:46] tonight
to discuss this item with me.
[11:51] The impetus behind this and why it is
why I wanted to bring it to your work
[11:57] session for discussion tonight is we as
a department in the community
[12:01] development department we are fielding
requests in regards to constructing data
[12:07] centers in Tula city
and our current code the current
[12:12] conditions of our code do not permit
define or otherwise regulate the land
[12:17] use of data centers and my job as the
community development director is to
[12:22] make sure that title 7 the development
code is maintained and updated and
[12:28] corrected as necessary according to
how things are exist at the time. So I
[12:36] need to identify deficiencies in our
code and and bring those to the council
[12:40] for discussion and possible correction
if we need to.
[12:46] The use of data centers,
especially as they exist today, is a
[12:51] relatively new land use.
Um, data centers have been around for a
[12:57] while, as long as you've had the
internet, but typically they're obscure
[13:00] and kind of nobody really thinks much
about them. But with the advent of
[13:05] artificial intelligence, there has been
an explosion in the need for data
[13:10] centers based upon the immense amounts
of data that are being requested by the
[13:15] users of cell phones, computers, and
everything else. And so these things are
[13:20] proliferating. They are growing. And
there is there are a lot more requests
[13:25] to construct these things. So, Mayor
Manzion and I agree that this let's
[13:31] bring this to the council and talk about
it with you and see what you think and
[13:34] and get your get your ideas in regards
to what we should or should not do in
[13:38] regards to this proposed land, these new
land uses.
[13:42] I do also want to point out that data
center technology is advancing and
[13:46] changing rapidly. So
what exists as a data center today may
[13:54] not exist as a data center in five
years.
[13:57] Four years ago I couldn't tell you what
AI is and now it's everywhere. So things
[14:02] are constantly changing. Who knows?
Maybe a data center will fit in a
[14:05] briefcase in 10 years or we'll all have
one in our basement.
[14:09] Don't know. It's changing that quickly.
But I think we need to look at our code
[14:15] and and decide we need to update our
code and decide how we want to how we
[14:19] want to address this particular land
use.
[14:22] So I'm not an expert in data centers by
trade. I am a land use and development
[14:26] planner. So as Paul would always say, I
don't even pretend to be one on TV.
[14:32] Okay. [laughter]
So I'm going to do my best to do this
[14:36] presentation.
I did take some time to do some
[14:39] research. I read numerous reports and
information about data centers, find out
[14:44] what they are, how they operate, why we
need them, why they're proliferating,
[14:49] and what other cities are doing in
regards to data centers. And I'd like to
[14:54] present to you a summary of my research,
my findings, a summary of what other
[14:59] cities have done or are doing, and then
possibly some options that we can
[15:04] consider in the future. And so, I'll
just jump right into it. You probably
[15:09] all know all this. You probably know
more about data centers than I do. So,
[15:13] if this is repetitive or boring, I
apologize, but it doesn't hurt to to
[15:17] look at some of the information.
What is a data center? A data center is
[15:23] a purpose-built building that runs large
numbers of computers reliably, securely,
[15:27] and around the clock.
Inside are the servers, storage, and
[15:31] networking gear that do the work, plus
the heavy duty cooling, backup power,
[15:35] and physical security that keeps them
running.
[15:39] One can be as small as a server room or
as large as a windowless campus the size
[15:43] of several football stadiums.
They can be wrapped in cooling,
[15:48] batteries, generators, high-capacity
links to the internet and the grid. The
[15:53] software runs the show, spreading out
the workload, flagging failures, and
[15:57] handling security. These are some images
that I found showing the inside of a
[16:01] data center. It's a big building with a
lot of computers.
[16:06] What does a data center do? A data
center stores data and runs the software
[16:12] behind the services people use all day.
If you stream a TV show, send an email,
[16:19] tap a card at a checkout stand, back up
a photo, or ask an AI a question,
[16:25] somewhere that data center does the work
and sends it back almost
[16:28] instantaneously.
[16:32] There are various types of data centers.
There are enterprise data centers which
[16:36] are built and owned and run by a single
organization for its own use. A good
[16:42] example of this is the Facebook data
center. Well, they call themselves Meta
[16:46] now, but the Facebook data center down
in in Eagle Mountain that is owned and
[16:50] operated by MA and is exclusive to their
to their services.
[16:56] You have collocation data centers which
rent space, power and tech and cooling
[17:01] to many customers who then bring their
own servers to the facility.
[17:07] I would imagine that that type of data
center can be of various sizes. I don't
[17:11] think those have to be huge or small.
They can be any size. Uh the ones that
[17:15] gain a lot of attention are the
hyperscale data centers. These are the
[17:19] giant enormous campuses run by a handful
of tech companies that deliver cloud and
[17:24] AI services at a massive scale.
These are run by Amazon, Microsoft and
[17:29] Google. And I would think that probably
Facebook and Eagle Mountain would also
[17:33] be considered a hypers scale. It's a
large facility.
[17:36] You have data cloud centers. These
deliver computing as an ondemand
[17:41] service. Customers rent server storage
software over the internet and pay for
[17:45] only what they use.
And then number five, you have edge data
[17:49] centers. I like to refer to these as
modular data centers. Uh these are
[17:53] smaller sites placed close to users to
cut delays.
[17:57] Uh time-sensitive work is handled
through these. These are usually for
[18:01] gamers, live streaming, often no bigger
than a shipping container. Okay,
[18:08] here are some images of some data
centers that I was able to find. on the
[18:11] nor on the upper left corner that is a
large hyperscale facility in Northern
[18:17] Virginia in Lowden County which is
actually this
[18:22] database or the data center capital of
the world. They have a lot of data
[18:26] centers in Northern Virginia. Uh the one
on the right upper right that is a a uh
[18:31] we consider a medium-sized data center.
It's just a single building. Uh lower
[18:36] left that is the Nova data center in
West Jordan. So kind of showing you what
[18:41] a data center would look like. What they
that one looks like from the road view
[18:46] that is a large facility and then the
lower right that is what that is a
[18:51] modular data center
in regards to Tilla City and the
[18:56] information that was requested from me.
Uh those requests have been largely for
[19:01] those modular type of data centers. Um
we've had we have had discussions
[19:06] of converting existing structures to
data centers
[19:11] and uh but but largely it's the ones
that are interested that I know of in
[19:15] coming to the city are those small
modular facilities.
[19:20] So why are so many of these being built?
I really like that picture on the left
[19:25] hand side. Okay. Um, I go to Vasa
Fitness for my lunch break and I'm
[19:32] amazed at watching people lifting
weights on machines while downloading
[19:36] stuff on their phones. Um, it's it's
everywhere. People can't put down their
[19:41] phones. And so the the uh the way it's
described here is many data centers are
[19:47] going up because demand for computing is
climbing on every front and AI has
[19:51] poured on fuel.
Cloud adoption, streaming, digital
[19:55] payments, remote work, business
software, and cyber security were all
[19:59] growing steadily before generative AI
added fresh wave of demand. So AI has
[20:05] really piled on the fuel for the for the
need of the the amount the amount of
[20:09] data is immense and they need the
facilities.
[20:14] So why are these controversial?
Data centers are controversial because
[20:19] they can be a tax windfall for a city
but also a grid headache at the same
[20:25] time.
They bring great con great construction
[20:30] work and job construction related jobs,
tax revenue and fresh infrastructure.
[20:36] But they also lean hard and heavily on
electricity, water and land while
[20:42] employing relatively few people once
they are running.
[20:47] Enterprise data centers are estimated to
use between 300,000 to 500,000 gallons
[20:53] of water per day. Just to give you a
visual of what that is, a an Olympicssiz
[20:58] swimming pool uses 660,000 gallons of
water. So that gives you a kind of a
[21:03] visual of what 500,000 gallons of water
is per day for an enterprise facility.
[21:09] Uh this can vary significantly based on
the size and cooling methods. Large
[21:13] hypers scale centers can consume up to 5
million gallons of water per day. So
[21:19] there is a significant burden on a city
in regards to these types of uses
[21:25] especially toilla city where you're
you're very well of our water situation
[21:29] here.
So what have other cities done in
[21:33] regards to these data centers? Now for
the most part
[21:38] most [clears throat] cities prohibit
data centers in Utah. I could only find
[21:42] a handful of cities that permit them.
And as I was doing this research, I was
[21:47] quite surprised in what I found. I
thought there'd be a lot more
[21:50] regulation. Uh cities really don't have
a lot of regulation in regards to these
[21:54] data centers. Uh Eagle Mountain's the
first one that came to mind when I
[21:58] worked in Riverton. Facebook tried to
come to Riverton and and the city
[22:02] council at at that time did not want
them in the city. So they went to Eagle
[22:07] Mountain and Eagle Mountain permitted
them to do that.
[22:11] Eagle Mountain zoning codes, all they
have is they permit it in one industrial
[22:17] zone and they have additional 50 foot
and 60 ft building setbacks when
[22:23] adjacent to residential zones. There is
no other design criteria or development
[22:28] criteria in Eagle Mountains codes
concerning concerning data centers. Uh
[22:33] the picture that you have on the right
here, excuse me, is the MA facility.
[22:39] It occupies about 831 acres. Uh you'll
note that it's constructed immediately
[22:44] south of Eagle Mountain City's
wastewater treatment facility. So I
[22:49] wonder if maybe there's a little water
sharing going on there with the with the
[22:53] with the data center. Uh there is a new
data center being constructed
[22:57] immediately west of the Facebook. That
one has about 131 acres.
[23:02] And then you can see the residential
areas located north on the top of the
[23:06] the picture gradually creeping south
towards the data center.
[23:11] Bluffdale city is probably the most
liberal city that I found in regards to
[23:16] data centers. They permit data centers
in two commercial zones and two
[23:21] industrial zones and there was no other
regulatory language found in the city's
[23:26] codes.
The image shows the NSA data center
[23:30] located uh just west of Camp Williams
there next to the Mountain View
[23:33] corridor. Uh that is a data center that
is administered and owned by the federal
[23:38] government, not not by a private entity.
West Jordan permits the use in one
[23:44] industrial zone and like uh Eagle
Mountain requires greater building
[23:48] setbacks when adjacent to residential
zones. Uh the facility that you see
[23:53] there is the Nova data center facility.
Uh that is a large hypers sca hypers
[23:57] scale facility there facility.
There is a residential development
[24:02] located immediately north of the project
but there's probably about 200 300 ft
[24:07] between the homes and the the entrance
to that building. That's the one in the
[24:11] picture that I showed you before.
Salt Lake City permits one or permits
[24:17] the use in one industrial zone. They did
have one qualification in their
[24:21] ordinance that requires a closed loop
water cooling system. It's all I could
[24:25] find for Salt Lake City.
Delta City, you're aware what Delta is.
[24:31] Delta is that little town located out in
the West Desert.
[24:35] I was surprised on Delta. They are
currently building two hypers scale data
[24:39] centers. One of them is I think 14,000
acres and the other one is 5,000.
[24:47] Uh Delta City could probably end up
being the Louden County of the West.
[24:52] They have the space and apparently they
have the water. But I searched through
[24:56] their code and I could find not a single
reference to data centers. So I don't
[25:01] know how they're permitting them in
Delta City. They might be using
[25:04] development agreements or something of
that nature, but there was nothing
[25:07] codified in regards to those data
centers.
[25:12] Provo City, they recently had a an
application to convert an existing
[25:17] two-story warehouse into a data center.
Uh the city council ultimately denied a
[25:23] reszone and a ordinance amendment
necessary to enable the conversion. They
[25:29] cited that they didn't have sufficient
information to enable the the zoning
[25:33] change.
Nephi City is an interesting one. I
[25:38] Nephi City created a fourth industrial
zoning district that permits only data
[25:43] centers.
Uh what I also found interesting is in
[25:46] their code they prohibit data centers
from using wind power generated inside
[25:52] the city. So apparently they don't want
windmills in their city. So
[25:59] interesting. Uh Santa Quinn permitted
the Summit Ridge data center and the
[26:05] requirements on this one requires closed
loop water system and on-site power
[26:09] generation. The image that you have
there is a rendering of the facility. It
[26:14] is not yet constructed.
That facility is anticipated to generate
[26:19] 20 megawws of power right there on the
site using natural gas.
[26:27] So what are Utah counties doing? I I
want to tread water lightly when it
[26:32] comes to talking about counties. Uh
counties are not the same as cities.
[26:36] They have entirely different
considerations when it comes to land
[26:39] use. Uh consider Tilla County for
example. They have land extending from
[26:44] the peaks of the ochres all the way to
the Nevada border that could accommodate
[26:47] a hyperscale data center. We don't have
that much property in Tula city. Most
[26:54] cities don't because of their
incorporated boundaries.
[26:57] The other difference is a city is
required to provide certain utilities
[27:03] such as wastewater treatment, water that
counties are not required to provide. So
[27:10] it's bananas and apples really. We're
we're a different we're just kind of a
[27:13] different animal and what the county is
doing right now is something that I
[27:16] don't think the city needs to worry
about. But just for your information,
[27:20] Duchain, Iron, and Boxelder counties are
all considering large and hyperscale
[27:25] data centers.
um very large. The one up in Boxell
[27:29] there is a 40,000 acres bigger than the
island of Manhattan.
[27:34] So we're not going to get that in Tilla,
but um that's what counties are dealing
[27:38] with. So they they they look at things a
little bit differently than the city
[27:41] does.
So, in order to keep our code updated, I
[27:46] wanted to run by the city council some
options and get your input and possibly
[27:52] some direction as how to proceed or
where you'd like me to in start
[27:57] investigating or working towards.
Um, one of the option you have is do
[28:02] nothing. As I mentioned, our code
currently does not permit data centers.
[28:07] Our code is a is a code that is
it's structured as a permissive code. So
[28:15] if a use is not listed as a as permitted
in the code, it's automatically not
[28:20] permitted.
And so right now when people come in and
[28:23] they ask about data centers and if we
can do them here, my response to them is
[28:27] no, the code doesn't permit them. Now,
after I made this slide, Mayor Manzion
[28:31] raised an interesting
thought that I had not considered, and I
[28:36] wanted to bring this to the council's
attention.
[28:39] Could a data center sneak in under
another use?
[28:43] And I was looking through our definition
section, and there are some uses that
[28:48] [snorts] could possibly enable a data
center without having to go through any
[28:52] kind of an an amendment. Uh we have a
research facility
[28:57] and the definition for a research
facility is a facility that conducts
[29:02] research and development work.
Pretty vague. Um a warehouse is defined
[29:10] as a building used primarily for the
inside storage of non-hazardous goods
[29:14] and materials and including accessory
office facilities. [clears throat]
[29:19] Again, pretty vague. So if someone were
to come in and make some arguments about
[29:23] putting a data center in a research
facil as a research facility, how is I,
[29:29] the community development director, tell
them that you don't qualify.
[29:33] So we may want to look at if the city
council is going down the path, if they
[29:36] don't want to have these here in the
city, we may want to look at amending
[29:40] some of these definitions.
I appreciate the mayor bringing those to
[29:44] my attention. That's a very valid point
that we need to consider.
[29:48] I also want to point out that these do
not include MIDIA properties. The MIDA
[29:52] properties are out of our land use
control jurisdiction. So, uh, when I'm
[29:57] referring to these things, I'm referring
to our zoning districts that are not
[30:00] part of Maida.
Uh, another thing we can consider is do
[30:05] as other cities. We could limit the use
to specific zones of your choosing,
[30:10] likely a zone that is separated from
residential areas and set regulations
[30:15] such as closed loop water systems,
self-power generation, so forth. Um, we
[30:20] could do as Nephi City did. You could
create a a fourth industrial zone that's
[30:25] specifically for data centers. And that
way the city council as part of a zoning
[30:31] map amendment would have absolute
discretion as whether or not it's going
[30:34] to go there and whether it's an
appropriate place to go. But for the
[30:38] most part, like I show like I showed
you, cities don't regulate these. And I
[30:42] think the reason being is
it's such a new new land use and it's an
[30:48] everchanging land use. So it's really
difficult for cities to to get a hold of
[30:52] these things.
This is the zoning map. I wanted to show
[30:56] you the location of some of our
industrial zone of all of our industrial
[31:00] zones. Um they are highlighted in red.
We have industrial zones on the very
[31:08] western extremes of the city. They are
they are shown in the purple. Uh those
[31:13] areas are largely isolated from
residential zones. If there if there is
[31:18] residential zoning nearby, it's
separated by by the light industrial
[31:22] zoning district. Uh we we did that
intentionally because as I've explained
[31:26] before, the industrial zone is a great
place for our locally unwanted land
[31:30] uses.
So that gives you an idea of where our
[31:35] industrial areas are. If the city
council was was wanting to consider
[31:38] that,
uh another consideration is to go all
[31:42] out. You could follow the Tula County
approach and adopt a new 28page
[31:46] ordinance regulating the development
operational minutiae of development
[31:50] centers. I think that would be overkill
for the city. I do not anticipate we'll
[31:55] be getting much more than C modular data
centers here in the city or maybe a
[32:00] conversion of an existing warehouse into
a data center. We just don't have the
[32:05] the the available real estate for a
hypers scale facility.
[32:10] Um
if you decide to go down that path, I am
[32:14] not qualified to write that ordinance. I
don't know that much about data centers.
[32:19] So, we would probably need to consider
an outside consultant or something of
[32:22] that nature to help us write that. Um,
again, this is just an a discussion. I
[32:29] want to make sure our code is updated
and and current with the times.
[32:34] And in this regard, it's something that
I need your help and need your advice to
[32:39] decide what to do. So, I'm open to any
questions, comments, rebukes, rebuttals,
[32:45] or feedback.
[32:48] » Okay. any questions, comments, feedback?
>> That was a really good presentation. So,
[32:53] thank you for that information. Um, I do
know that we had discussed going on a
[32:58] tour of a data center and um I would be
interested in being able to physically
[33:02] go and see u one that's operating and
that would probably help me to
[33:09] I would like to go with you. I would
like to go to one as well.
[33:12] » Okay. Because like I said, we don't know
a lot about these these land uses and I
[33:16] think other cities are grappling with
the same problem. That's why there's a
[33:19] lot of vagodies in the codes.
So if we had a code allowing a data
[33:24] center, how do we limit the amount of
water and power? because we we have
[33:30] other users that are not data centers
that they've they told us they want to
[33:35] use as much water as they truly do and
then there's really nothing that the
[33:39] city can do to go, you know, get the
water back. So, how do we how would you
[33:44] limit it?
>> I think the only limitation you could do
[33:47] would be to limit the size of the
facility.
[33:51] limit limit it to modular facilities or
to existing structures where water is
[33:57] already being provided to the structure.
Um I don't know how you could otherwise
[34:02] limit the water use other than having
Shannon's guys go out there and turn off
[34:06] the meters at a certain usage. Um
enforcability in that regard would be
[34:12] very difficult. I think the ultimate
enforcement you would have be to limit
[34:14] the size.
>> Okay. So I've got a question. So there
[34:18] were a couple of those cities that
mentioned closed loop system. So I just
[34:23] want maybe everybody to understand. If
if my understanding is wrong, tell me.
[34:28] So you have like a radiant heat floor
and it's got tubes of water that heat
[34:32] your house, right? You're not adding
water to that every day. It stays in
[34:37] that loop. So some of those cities were
saying it had to be a closed loop system
[34:41] if it was in the city. So that would
control the water use because it would
[34:44] be a one-time use. Correct. I think it
would limit the water use. Water in the
[34:49] closed loop system can go for a while,
but then it gets to a point where it's
[34:53] degraded to a point that it has to be
discharged.
[34:55] » Okay.
>> Um
[34:57] Nathan probably has some information on
that. He he actually has some
[35:00] information from a situation in Cheyenne
where they have something like this. So,
[35:05] » good evening, council. Uh so, we don't
have a lot of information on the closed
[35:08] loops uh uh system technology as of
right now. It seems like every time we
[35:12] ask for it, we get told, "Yeah, yeah,
we'll go take you and look at it." And
[35:16] then we never get any response. So, as
of right now, we have one new story out
[35:21] of Cheyenne where a closed loop system
was being worked on and they discharged
[35:25] and the sewer plant was able to detect a
a high amount of a certain bacteria that
[35:31] they weren't used to seeing in their
wastewater effluent. So, um there's some
[35:35] issues with with this. The the water can
be reused for a time. Sometimes, from
[35:41] what we understand, it's up to a year,
could be five years. We've heard varying
[35:45] levels of of time, but it is a big flush
when they have to reset it. So, whatever
[35:51] their system can handle, they're going
to discharge that at a certain rate,
[35:55] which would probably be too much for our
sewer plant to handle, we'd have to
[35:59] regulate that. Um, and then again, it
would be a big draw on our water system
[36:03] to fill that that water system back up.
>> So, does it evaporate within the system?
[36:08] No, it's it's it's mostly just that it
loses its ability to cool.
[36:12] » Okay.
>> There is a glycol additive or some other
[36:14] additive that they use to kind of
preserve it, but it does lose its
[36:17] ability to to to to cool the machines
depending on how hot it's running and
[36:22] and other factors.
>> So, that would make the water usage
[36:26] less, but it still is going to continue
to need more water. Yeah, it'd be
[36:30] significantly less, but again, it' be
impacts down this downstream in the
[36:34] sewer plant or in other in other ways,
especially if they have to add additive
[36:39] to the water. We don't know what that
would do to the sewer treatment plant,
[36:42] the bugs and the other processes that we
have to go through. We'd have to work
[36:46] that out and work on our permitting
process to to be able to accept that
[36:50] water.
>> Perfect.
[36:53] My only other comment was I want to
thank the people that are in attendance
[36:57] [clears throat] tonight because I went
to the county meeting and that was kind
[37:00] of wild and so I appreciate everybody
having the signs and being respectful.
[37:05] So
I'm glad they're here as well and we we
[37:09] we encourage the involvement.
[37:14] And then you had mentioned that if we do
nothing that a data center can't come
[37:20] because it's not in our code. But a
while back we had a company who had
[37:24] lithium ion batteries or something like
that that were being stored into a city
[37:29] and our code didn't allow that and then
we had to make a change to the code that
[37:34] restricted that.
So that's my question. Is it enough just
[37:38] to not have a code restricting it or do
you have to specifically say we don't
[37:43] allow this use at all so they don't
work, you know, find a loophole or
[37:49] whatever you want to call it.
I would recommend that if this is a use
[37:55] that you're not inclined to want in the
city at this time that we do an
[38:00] amendment that outrightly prohibits
them. And it could be as simple as just
[38:05] including it in our table of commercial
uses and then not including the P or the
[38:10] C for permitted and or commercial. That
way it's clearly there. Um, right now
[38:15] it's not. And as I as I mentioned with
with warehouses and with research
[38:21] facilities, people get very creative
with how they define what they're doing.
[38:26] And it's very difficult for staff to
say, "No, you're wrong. You're not doing
[38:30] that." and we are obligated to approve
things if it can meet the the parameters
[38:34] of the ordinance. So it it would be very
beneficial from my perspective. If you
[38:40] don't want them in the city in the areas
that are not MIDIA, let's prohibit them.
[38:45] Let's put let's put let's put something
in the table of commercial uses. Let's
[38:49] amend the definitions of warehouse and
so forth to clearly mean that they're
[38:54] not talking about data centers. I think
that would be be beneficial.
[38:58] » Okay.
>> Because you're right. I mean it's people
[39:01] get very creative in how they interpret
things.
[39:03] » Yeah.
>> So
[39:04] » it's one more question. So you said
you've had people come approach the
[39:08] city.
>> I have people call me from time to time
[39:11] and they have a vacant piece of land
that they want to do something with and
[39:14] they'll ask can we do a data center
there
[39:16] » and you just say it's not
>> I say right now our code does not
[39:18] address them. Okay. So I I think we
probably should do what he's
[39:25] recommending myself for now and if we
change our minds later just take it out.
[39:31] But for now until we know exactly
cuz I agree with him about the with AI
[39:38] um it is it is evolving so fast until we
don't know what it's going to be next
[39:46] month. I mean, we've already I mean, I I
we've seen it on the on the TV
[39:51] that AI has advanced so much now until
it it's already started doing things on
[39:56] its own
that that it's not asked to do.
[40:00] [laughter] So, it's just a matter. It's
just a matter before it gets really
[40:05] wild. So I I I honestly think until we
are certain we want a data center, we
[40:10] probably should use that suggestion is
put it put it in there and said no until
[40:15] we know for a fact that's what we want
to do.
[40:17] » And like Andrew said too, I mean the
technology is changing so quickly, maybe
[40:22] some of the problems that persist today
aren't going to persist.
[40:26] » Yeah. One one of the reports I read
stated how fast it's changing that we
[40:30] may not need data centers in 10 years.
>> Yeah.
[40:33] » They don't know. That's the that's the
that's the issue is nobody knows.
[40:38] » So,
okay.
[40:45] Are there any other questions or
comments?
[40:48] » So, would you like me to begin putting
together an ordinance amendment and
[40:52] bringing that prep back to the to the
council for consideration another work
[40:56] session or how would you like
>> I think we need more discussion on it.
[41:00] This is the challenge that I don't know
if anyone wants to say this out loud,
[41:04] but it's hard to know.
It's hard to make an ordinance when we
[41:09] don't know what the potential benefit
could be to the city as well. And people
[41:14] don't like to hear that because they
hear data center and it's an automatic
[41:17] no. But there is an economic impact to
the city.
[41:21] um just as many people are out there
right now when we raise taxes, there's
[41:26] five times more people yelling at us
because we're raising taxes. And so
[41:30] that's the challenge that the city
council has is how do we set the city up
[41:34] in a position where economically
we don't have to raise taxes on our
[41:39] residents, but we're still trying to
make sure that we're using the land the
[41:44] best way possible. We're using the
resources we have best the best way
[41:47] possible. So,
if I was going to allow a data center,
[41:51] which I'm not saying I am, it would be a
very small area in the community and we
[41:57] would have to be able to restrict water.
We'd have to make sure that they have
[41:59] their own power. Like, there would be so
many things that we would have to do to
[42:03] protect our citizens and make sure that
it's the best thing for our community.
[42:07] So, it's hard to just flat out say no
when
[42:12] maybe the best thing comes along.
There's better technology and and we're
[42:16] behind on that. So, I see both sides of
it. I think with our water situation, it
[42:23] it's easy right now to probably say now
is not the best time because we know
[42:26] that they're they're likely high water
users. But I think at some point we have
[42:31] to have an open mind to change and
change isn't easy for a lot of people
[42:36] and I I was a little kid when the
internet came out and I I remember
[42:42] seeing that change and my kids to my
kids now it's just every day we use the
[42:47] internet but when I was a kid it was
this new technology that was coming out.
[42:52] I remember Y2K, the world was going to
shut down when
[42:56] » we hit the year 2000 and and here we
are. We're we're still here. So, I'm
[43:01] open to having an an open mind about
things and discussing things, but if the
[43:06] council decides that it's in the best
interest of the community right now to
[43:10] to specifically say no data centers, I I
would be willing to do that as well. But
[43:17] and I and and don't don't get me wrong,
I'm not I said we can do that because we
[43:23] we can always change it and but for now
until we get a our a handle around it,
[43:30] I'd assume we say no until we figure it
all out ourselves. I agree. We we should
[43:35] talk some more a lot more because I mean
there's places where water is there that
[43:42] we can't use because it's unfit for
human consumption.
[43:46] And I think that might be something to
look at if if we got water that we can't
[43:51] use without taking it to um a processing
plant or
[43:56] building a a a plant that will clean it.
that might not be a bad place to to put
[44:03] one of these things with this the
if we specify that it's that is the
[44:10] water that they would use something that
we can't use and
[44:14] I would go so much as saying like the
other company that told them to put a
[44:18] power plant on their property we can ask
them to build um
[44:23] a a plant that will clean some of the
water and what they don't use we can we
[44:28] can use it ourselves
cuz right now we can't physically clean
[44:32] the water because we we don't have the
funds to clean it to make it, you know,
[44:37] drinkable.
>> But so I I I'm just saying if we do that
[44:42] for now and we meet and work with these
guys and just find some other some I
[44:48] agree with what you're saying. I really
do.
[44:50] » Yeah. I'm just saying if someone I've
seen some of the numbers that someone
[44:54] from MIA has spoke with us about a
potential data center and the numbers
[44:58] are insane the revenue that it brings to
your city. It's that's why these cities
[45:03] are doing it. Let's be realistic. They
it makes so they don't have to raise
[45:08] their taxes on their residents. And when
we raise taxes, we get so much push
[45:12] back. The room fills up. We're told
we're stupid. We're idiots. We don't
[45:16] know what we're doing. but then you're
saying no to something that can greatly
[45:20] impact your community as well. So that's
that's the challenge that the council
[45:23] has. Um even on the county, I'm sure
they have that same experience. So
[45:30] I don't know where the council wants to
go with this if
[45:34] » I mean it's sufficient to leave nothing
right now and then if we had someone who
[45:39] wanted to present something but I also
don't want to be behind the eightball
[45:42] either where that's why we're having
this discussion today is we're
[45:45] proactively trying to make sure that
someone doesn't loophole us sneak in
[45:50] » so well and if I heard right um correct
me if I'm wrong but you had said the
[45:55] ones that are coming and and asking are
very small ones.
[46:00] » Yeah, they're the
>> So, I don't even know if those are the
[46:02] same numbers as what
>> you know the other obviously box elder
[46:06] was huge, right? But, uh
>> if if they're small, they may not have
[46:12] the same economic impact anyway to to
justify doing it. I don't know. I think
[46:17] it's we need to hear more for sure, but
I'm fine leaving it like Dave said,
[46:23] leave it closed until
until such time that
[46:28] » just leave it the way it is
>> or yeah, if you add something to the
[46:32] code that says no data centers, then
you you don't even have the option of no
[46:39] one's going to come, right, and just
say, oh, you don't
[46:41] » we want you to change your code or so
>> you either say no and it's a hard no.
[46:47] And I agree with you that the scale that
we would have would be so much smaller
[46:51] than anything anywhere else cuz we don't
geographically have a lot of places to
[46:56] put it. So maybe one of the best things
we do right now is is leave the code as
[47:01] is, but go in and amend the definitions
of warehouse and and research facility
[47:06] so these facilities don't sneak in under
the radar or sneak in under a colorful
[47:10] interpretation. Um, that way I think uh
we can tie up some loose ends in that
[47:16] regard. Um, I'm happy to I'm happy to do
more research and throw some things
[47:21] together and bring them back to you for
more discussion and
[47:25] no problem doing that at all. I actually
enjoy doing the research. So,
[47:29] » and I I'm open for more discussion and
information. As I mentioned, a a tour, a
[47:35] site facility tour would be good. um
what uh Nathan presented to us about the
[47:41] closed loop system is that when they
discharge the impact that it is that was
[47:45] new information to me. So I really think
that we have a lot more to learn and a
[47:49] lot more to discuss before making
decisions.
[47:52] » I drove I can't remember where it was in
Salt Lake. I'm driving around town
[47:56] trying to find this restaurant and I
drive past this eBay data center. I had
[48:00] no idea it was a data center. It looks
like a warehouse. And so I don't think
[48:05] it's what it looks like that we're
concerned about. I think it's what it
[48:10] can do to our water and our power and
our environment and things like that. So
[48:15] I don't know that seeing one for me is
really going to change a lot cuz I think
[48:21] seeing it it just looks like a building.
in the pictures you saw us. It's it's
[48:24] the resources that it uses and
>> and that would be my biggest concern if
[48:29] we ever did approve anything like that
is how do we limit what they can use
[48:35] and I question if we can truly do that.
>> Yeah.
[48:38] » Without them just saying we're going to
do this anyways kind of thing because
[48:42] we've had that happen with different
businesses and it it's difficult to
[48:46] enforce a lot of things. So yeah,
>> one of the things about data centers
[48:50] that I' I've learned in my reading is
once they're established, once you've
[48:55] worked out the water situation, once
you've worked out the power, once the
[48:58] construction is done, they generate very
little impact to surrounding properties.
[49:03] They don't have a lot of employees, they
don't have a lot of truck traffic. U
[49:07] they are they are utilizing technologies
now that keep them quieter. Uh so once
[49:13] they're established, like you said, it's
nothing more than just a big warehouse
[49:17] with computers inside, but those those
issues that you mentioned are the
[49:21] critical ones, especially for Twilla
City. So it's a it's an interesting it's
[49:27] an interesting land use.
>> Well, I would think for now if we
[49:30] tighten up some things that
with our research what's it called? The
[49:35] research and development area or land
use.
[49:37] » Yeah, the research and development zone
and then the warehouses the warehouse
[49:40] use. I would feel comfortable about
doing that.
[49:44] » Just clarifying what
>> Just clarifying what they are.
[49:47] » Yeah, I think that's good.
>> And then later on, if if you're you're
[49:50] more comfortable with things, we could
then consider another ordinance
[49:53] amendment for specifically for data
centers.
[49:57] Um, that's a great way to proceed.
>> Okay. And for the public, we we we have
[50:04] these discussions in public so you can
see kind of what we're thinking and that
[50:09] we're not just we're trying to be as
transparent as possible. We don't want
[50:13] it to look like we we don't listen. We
do care about what our residents think
[50:16] and if it ever came to changing the code
in any way, even if we change this
[50:22] research and development zoning, it it
has a public comment period and that's
[50:27] the time for the public to come up and
speak with the council and we're also
[50:32] happy to speak with you outside of
meetings as well. So, okay. Is there any
[50:36] other discussion on this topic?
>> Okay.
[50:41] » Okay. Thanks, council.
>> Thank you.
[50:43] » Okay. Okay, our next discussion item is
a demonstration garden. This is
[50:47] presented by Nathan Far, the public
works director. Hopefully, this is a
[50:51] little more of a positive discussion.
Um, we have the opportunity to um well,
[50:58] we ran into the opportunity to do
something positive with some of the
[51:02] space in our community that is not being
utilized. It's mostly Tilla City
[51:06] property. Um, we have uh detention
basins and other uh city infrastructure
[51:12] that houses tanks and well sites that
could be used better, I think. And so we
[51:19] we found a grant through the Utah
Department of Agriculture and Food. Uh
[51:24] we applied for it on a whim and uh I
didn't understand that it was mostly for
[51:30] like homeowners and small uses. And so I
applied for as many uh kits as they
[51:35] would give me and they gave me 50 which
is about 1,600 plants. So um if we can
[51:40] go to slide number one. The UT Utah Utah
uh pollinator habitat program uh was
[51:46] created in March of 2021 as a pilot
program for three years. It was extended
[51:51] through 2025 and then made permanent.
Um, it is an opportunity for uh Utah
[51:57] homeowners and businesses and
communities to plant native um
[52:02] pollinator friendly species in gardens
to encourage bees and butterflies and
[52:11] hummingbirds and other pollinators to
thrive and to restore natural habitat.
[52:17] Um, we felt like this would be a good
use and a good opportunity for us to
[52:22] educate the public in Tilla on how to
landscape without making it look like
[52:27] Mars. We want Tilla to look more like it
did when the pioneers and the indigenous
[52:34] peoples were first here. And so we hope
that by doing this demonstration garden
[52:39] on one of our bigger properties, we can
provide an opportunity for people to
[52:43] come and see what a responsible um
native landscaping would look like and
[52:48] at the same time provide opportunities
for a a large portion of the native
[52:54] flora and fauna to thrive in our
community. Um that's kind of hard to
[52:58] read. It's up close, but there are more
than 900 species of native bees alone in
[53:03] that call Utah home. Um that's in
addition to the butterflies, moths, uh
[53:08] hummingbirds and other insects that
pollinate uh the the food that we enjoy
[53:14] and the the the flowers and trees that
we that we have come to rely on. Go to
[53:19] the next slide.
So the impact for the 2025 uh report for
[53:25] the amount of plants they gave out and
the gardens that were created they
[53:29] believe that of the 502 applicants and
the 382 award awardees
[53:34] um they had 87,000 plants that were
grown and a total of 37 acres covered
[53:40] which contributed to saving 29,24,000
gallons of water in the year 2025. Um
[53:48] these plants know how to live in Utah.
These are native. They understand what
[53:53] it's like to live in a high mountain
desert. And so planting these in in
[53:58] areas like your backyard garden or in an
area that can be used as a as a walking
[54:03] trail are good opportunities for us to
use little water and m and still create
[54:09] beautiful spaces.
So this is the lot that we chose. It
[54:14] currently houses one of our our tanks.
This is one of our water storage tanks.
[54:20] And you can see from the top right
picture, it's a big circle and you see
[54:24] the three light colored areas kind of
around the edge. Those are areas that
[54:29] will need to be protected. Those are
access hatches to the tank. So, they
[54:32] will have some kind of fencing around
them. But the rest of the site is just
[54:37] right now surrounded by a chain link
fence. You can see it in the bottom two
[54:41] pictures. and it's weeds that get moaned
down twice a year and pretty
[54:48] ugly and kind of an eyesore in the
community. And so we thought, why not
[54:53] make it beautiful? We'll we'll tear the
fences down. We will uh do some some
[54:59] walking paths through there and make it
something that the community can use. So
[55:03] the next slide. So this is a plan that
was put together by Andrew actually. Um,
[55:09] Andrew has a background in landscape
design and so uh together we we talked a
[55:14] little bit about what the the thought
was and he put together this design for
[55:17] us and we think this is what we want. We
want to have something where people can
[55:23] go and reflect um possibly sit and relax
and kind of see what's possible in a
[55:30] Utah backyard or a Utah front yard. And
so some of the plants that he's listed
[55:34] around the edges are some of the plants
that we we hope to be able to get. We're
[55:38] not guaranteed the plants. Um, they they
plant what they they have and then if it
[55:44] grows, we get it. So, um, the next slide
will show some of the options that they
[55:49] say have grown this year. So, you can
see the nodding onion, the sticky
[55:54] geranium. I love the names. The names
are fantastic. Um, analopee horn,
[55:58] milkweed, sulfur, flour, buckwheat, the
fire chalice looks gorgeous up close.
[56:04] The cyotes grandma is just one of the
examples of a native grass and the
[56:08] Wasatch Pensamman.
These are all examples of plants that we
[56:14] might have the opportunity to pick up um
and and have in this garden. And so we
[56:19] would augment that with some of the
things that Andrews suggested. And uh
[56:24] there again, this is only a portion of
what's possible. And so the rest of the
[56:28] list um we'll be able to flesh out the
rest of that park. We did, like I said,
[56:32] we got 1,600 plants, individual plants,
and so we have the opportunity to make
[56:37] this a really awesome space. We're
excited about the the opportunity, and
[56:41] we've had some interest. Um, let's go to
the next. Um, we've had the in has some
[56:46] interest already from a local scout
troop um and even a number of the city
[56:51] employees uh expressing an interest in
helping to make this happen. um from
[56:56] volunteer work to you know putting aside
time to do it after hours. Um we would
[57:02] we would hope that we could get this out
on the just serve website and other
[57:06] areas so that we can invite many more of
the community members to come and
[57:09] participate in this. Um we really think
this is going to be something that we
[57:13] can use here and then develop and use
other areas of the city. Like I said, we
[57:18] have a lot of these retention basins and
other areas in the city that e are
[57:22] either using a lot of water to water
grass or are being unused and just have
[57:28] to keep mowing the weeds down to keep it
from starting on fire in fire season.
[57:33] So, this is the the plan moving forward.
We're hopeful that um uh once we pick up
[57:39] the plants, this will be something we
can kind of show off and have a ribbon
[57:42] cutting for later this fall. Uh our
pickup date will be Saturday, September
[57:47] 12th, and I'll coordinate that. We'll go
up to Ogden and pick up our plants and
[57:51] bring them back. And then uh hopefully
by October, we'll be able to kind of
[57:55] celebrate this as a an awesome
achievement. So, we wanted to make you
[57:59] aware of this. This is something that we
hope to be able to do um in the next few
[58:03] years. We're going to apply for the
grant again next year. We'll probably
[58:06] scale back a little bit. I didn't
realize how many plants came with 50
[58:08] kits. So, um, maybe a little bit off a
little more than I could chew on this
[58:12] one, but, um, it was a grant and it was
free. So, hey, I I I saved us some
[58:17] money, Dave. How's that? [laughter]
[58:20] » So, any questions that you have for me
at this time?
[58:23] » So, are you installing a drip system?
>> Yes, we will be installing a drip
[58:27] system. We've we want to we know that in
this case it's not going to be a zero
[58:32] water use, but if we install the drip
system, we'll be able to get the water
[58:35] where it needs to go and uh give the
plants what they need to thrive.
[58:39] » And your plan is to have this whole
thing complete this year.
[58:42] » Yeah. By
>> Yeah, we and we had talked about
[58:45] possibly not doing concrete paths and
maybe just doing either dirt or some
[58:49] kind of mulch or rock path uh throughout
just to kind of make it more inviting
[58:55] that in that way. Um, but also it seems
like the the bees and other insects and
[59:00] things would do better if we didn't make
it hard hard travel and and we would
[59:04] probably discourage more people from
riding their electric bikes through it,
[59:07] which we don't want that either. So,
>> I'm excited to see this. It'll be great.
[59:13] » We're excited.
>> Where is the West Meadow subdivision? I
[59:16] wasn't sure where that was located. So,
uh, if we go back to that, can we go
[59:18] back to that slide that has the,
um, So, yeah, you can see on there it's
[59:23] about 900 south
and about 700 west or 800 west is that?
[59:31] Oh,
>> so it's down near
[59:34] » north of Settlement Canyon Elementary.
>> Okay.
[59:37] » So, yeah. In fact, uh we were down there
working and a police officer said we had
[59:42] a student whose shoe got thrown over the
fence and when I went and helped him
[59:46] retrieve the shoe, I thought, boy, this
is a waste of space and then we saw this
[59:50] grant and thought we could use that
space better. So, I think this is a good
[59:53] use for that.
>> Okay, thank you.
[59:56] » But thanks.
>> Okay, item six is a closed meeting. We
[1:00:01] do have a closed meeting tonight to
discuss litigation andor property
[1:00:04] acquisition. I will entertain a motion.
>> Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion to that um
[1:00:12] move to to a close session.
>> I'll second.
[1:00:14] » We have a motion from Councilwoman Goes
and a second from Councilman McCall.
[1:00:18] We'll take it to a vote. Councilman
McCall.
[1:00:20] » I.
>> Councilwoman Gochas.
[1:00:21] » I.
>> Councilman Gossit.
[1:00:23] » I.
>> Councilman Hansen.
[1:00:26] » I.
>> I'm Councilman Brady and I vote I. That
[1:00:29] passes 5. It's 6:33 p.m.