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» Okay, we'll go ahead get this Tooele

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City Planning Commission meeting to

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order this Wednesday, August 12th at the

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hour of 7:00 p.m. here in City Council

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Chambers.

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Uh first item on our agenda tonight is

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our pledge of allegiance. If you'll all

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please rise, remove your hats.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America, and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» [clears throat]

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» Just a quick note real quick before we

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get started here. There is a significant

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increase in fraudulent fishing requests

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using information from the public

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notices that are issued concerning the

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applications being heard during the

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Tooele City Planning Commission

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meetings.

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Tooele City collects fees only at the

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time of application submittal. Tooele

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City will never ask for funds to be sent

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over wire transfer. Legitimate Tooele

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City emails always end with

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tooelecity.gov.

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If you receive a request requiring you

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pay additional fees for an application

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in an email that does not end in

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tooelecity.gov

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after your application has been

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submitted, this is fraud. If you receive

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such a request, please contact Tooele

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City Community Development Department

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immediately.

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Number two on our agenda tonight is our

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roll call. Commissioner Hammer.

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>> Here.

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>> Commissioner Sloan.

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>> Here.

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>> Commissioner Proctor.

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>> Here.

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>> Commissioner Linford.

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>> Here.

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>> Commissioner Jensen.

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>> Here.

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>> Commissioner Anderson.

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>> Here.

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>> Please recognize Commissioner

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Fairclough. I am Chairman Hamilton. I am

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also here. Uh please recognize Council

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member Hansen, staff members uh Ms.

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Young, Mr. Hansen, Mr. Egger, Ms.

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Anglin, and Mr. Johnson over there.

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>> And also um Councilman Clawson has to be

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excused he got sick at the last minute.

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>> No, that's no fun.

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>> Thank you, I appreciate that.

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>> We'll call him excused. We don't want

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him getting us sick.

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>> For sure.

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>> [laughter]

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>> Number three on our agenda tonight is a

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public hearing to consider a conditional

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use permit request by Matthew Clawson to

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authorize a detached accessory structure

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that exceeds the 8% maximum lot coverage

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restriction in the R17 zoning district

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located at approximately 346 East 200

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» Give Ms. Anglin just a moment here and

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then she'll present to us.

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» Hi Commissioners. Thank you for being

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Um this

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is a request for a conditional use

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permit to allow a detached accessory

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structure

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to exceed the 8% lot coverage and

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limitation for detached accessory

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structures. Um

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>> The CUP is needed specifically because

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the detached accessory structure will

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occupy 17.2%

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of the lot all all accessory structures

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combined. The overall property coverage

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will remain below the 35% maximum

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allowed in the R17 zone.

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The project is proposing to remove a

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shed that is non-complying because of

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its location. And the proposal replaces

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it with a structure that will comply

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separation requirements. Staff reviewed

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the proposal's location and found that

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the new shed will meet the applicable

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separation requirements and all utility

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easement requirements.

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found that the detached garage and

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accessory structures of varying sizes

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various size sizes are common in the

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older neighborhood.

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The garage and proposed shed will total

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1,276 square feet or approximately the

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>> Well, this exceeds the 8% accessory

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structure limitation. The total lot

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coverage again will not

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will still remain below the 80 35%

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significant adverse impacts to

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surrounding properties. The proposed

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shed meets the applicable setbacks and

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separation requirements and actually

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currently non-complying due to its

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The primary potential concern identified

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by staff is ensuring that future

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construction does not exceed the scope

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of what the

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commission approves.

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11 [snorts] teen detached accessory

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structure coverage to the 17.2%

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addresses that concern. Staff therefore

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recommends approval subject to the

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to that condition and that all of the

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they get all the building permits and inspections that are required.

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>> Bring this back to the commission for

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questions, comments, concerns.

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hearing now. If you'd like to speak to

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this particular item, please approach

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the podium. State your name for the

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record and then write your name for the

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record.

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Seeing no one approach, I'll go ahead

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and close the public hearing and bring

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this back to the commission for further

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» Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion.

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>> Commissioner Linford, go ahead.

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>> I move we approve the conditional use

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permit request by Matthew Clawson for

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the purpose of permitting a detached

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accessory structure to exceed the 8%

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total lot coverage restrictions.

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Application number 2026054

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based on the findings and subject to the

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conditions listed in the staff report

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dated August 5th, 2026.

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>> I have a motion to approve from

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[clears throat] Commissioner Linford. Do

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>> A second from Commissioner Anderson. Any

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discussion before we take this to a

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Commissioner Hammer, how do you vote?

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>> Commissioner Sloan.

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>> Commissioner Proctor.

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>> Commissioner Linford.

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>> Commissioner Jensen.

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>> Commissioner Anderson.

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>> I am Chairman Hamilton. I also vote aye.

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That one passes seven to zero.

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>> Mr. Chairman, can I ask a quick question

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>> Yes, Commissioner Sloan.

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>> Kind of tangential to that. Um

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that 8% limit has been in effect for as

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long as I can remember. With the 35%

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total coverage limit, is that still,

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especially where we're trying to get

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people to cut down on landscaping,

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things like that, is it time to maybe

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revisit the 8%? Keep the 35 where it is,

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see if we can do something with the 8%.

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Maybe give some people some more

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latitude to do things besides plant

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grass.

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» If that's something that the commission

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would like us to look at, we can

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definitely look into that and see what

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other cities in the light say

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do as far as what their accessory

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building limitations are.

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>> I admit I have a conflict that I've got

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a whole back end of a

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two big lot that I would love to do

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something with,

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but it'll probably put me over 8%. Won't

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touch 35, but in the meantime I've got a

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landscaping, so.

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All right, brings us to number four on

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our agenda tonight is a public hearing

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and recommendation. This is on a

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proposed text amendment request by Perry

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Homes and LH Perry Investments to Tooele

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City Code title 7 chapter 16A-3,

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residential special districts

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eligibility and size regarding the

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contiguity

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requirement qualification of proposed

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commercial special districts and initial

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compliance with the city's land use map

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of general plan. Mr. Eager, that was a

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mouthful.

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>> That was a mouthful, but you did well.

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If you're if the commission thinks that

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they've seen this before, it's because

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you have.

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This came to one of your meetings in

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June and at that time you recommended

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in favor of the amendment with some some

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additional recommendations for language

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in the code.

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council and the applicant decided at the

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time they wanted to add some more

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language and include it in their their

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text amendment application, so

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it automatically was remanded back to

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the planning commission, so you had a

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chance to look at the the new changes

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proposed by the applicant.

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Just to remind you, I apologize this is

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probably small for you to read, but just

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for a reminder of what's going on here.

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The ordinance has specific criteria in

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order to qualify for commercial special

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district.

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Uh the three main criteria are number

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one, that you have a commercial land use

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designation on the property.

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Number two, that all the property is

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contiguous. And number three, that you

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have at least 50 acres or more.

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for a CSD or commercial special

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Now, the applicant came to you before

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previously, and we presented an

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ordinance

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where they could if the if the

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properties were of a certain size, they

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didn't have to be contiguous. The

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planning commission recommended in

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favor.

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language.

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And those uh that language is

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highlighted in green.

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The blue is the applicant's language.

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Since that time, they've decided they

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uh change the land use requirement.

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And what they are proposing, and again,

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I want to emphasize that this is the

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applicant's proposal. This is not

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staff's proposal.

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Uh

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staff has helped them to tinker the language a little bit, but

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this this is at a request that's coming

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from the applicant themselves.

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Uh the land use designation of subject

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properties involved in an application

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shall be reviewed as part of the process

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to consider and adopt a CSD.

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If the CSD is adopted by the city

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council after recommendation by the

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planning commission, the land use map

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shall automatically be amended to a

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regional commercial land use

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designation.

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Basically, what the applicant is wanting

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to do here is combine the land use map

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amendment application into the same

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application as a CSD.

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Uh however, we would like to make sure

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that the land use map is considered as

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part of a CSD application.

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Uh so, that's what's being requested.

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It's a proposed amendment.

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Uh the applicant is here if you have any

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questions for him.

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I could also try and address some

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questions if you have any for me.

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>> Perfect. It brings us back to the

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commission for questions for staff.

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» Does the There may be I should wait for

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that. That may be you know the answer.

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Does the applicant have a problem with

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the the green additions?

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Does that cause any heartburn?

325
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>> Don't know. I'm

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>> Okay.

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>> He can probably address that for you.

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>> I will bring him up next if that if that

329
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will work for the commission.

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Commissioner Anderson, did you have

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something you wanted to ask?

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» There's something there. I just don't

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know what it is.

334
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>> You just haven't found the words yet.

335
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>> [laughter]

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» Any other questions for Mr. Egger and

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we'll call the applicant up and

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Okay, perfect. If we invite the

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applicant up to

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address this.

341
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Like to get a catch your vision here.

342
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We'd love to hear it.

343
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>> Yeah, good evening. Um Jake Finlayson

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with Perry Commercial.

345
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Um so I guess to answer your question

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about the concern about the green. The

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only

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thing after looking into this further is

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the not more than three parcels

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language.

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Each individual parcel being larger than

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the 30 acres is totally fine.

353
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I believe that the combined area of the

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whole CSD is

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north of 400 acres.

356
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And so there's about I think eight or

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nine parcels

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um that that consists of.

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And And a reason for coming back

360
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to the commission is we we wanted to

361
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include an additional area within that

362
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commercial district and that's

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current That's the There's a big parcel

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to the west of the Overlake Golf Course.

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And so we're trying to encompass that as

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um

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just a plan for new uh the new

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transportation corridor um that could

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be, you know, 10

370
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or longer years from now, but we want to

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make sure we're

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kind of doing all the work now to plan

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for that. So,

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that's the only concern that I would

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have from the proposed green language.

376
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It's just that three parcel restriction.

377
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Um but happy to answer any other

378
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questions about

379
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kind of what we're planning or any other

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concerns about the text amendment.

381
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» Any other commissioners have questions

382
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for the applicant?

383
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You're good?

384
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Satisfied?

385
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>> [laughter]

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>> Got your answer?

387
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>> Yeah, I'm thoroughly good.

388
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That's where I go.

389
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>> Yeah, Commissioner Linford, go ahead.

390
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>> So, I'm a fairly new commissioner, so I

391
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just ask a lot of questions. I apologize

392
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in advance.

393
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Um

394
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if this went through with the not

395
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including more than three parcels, what what does that translate to your

396
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guys' position? How does that affect you

397
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guys? I'm just trying to weigh

398
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that language if that's the only concern

399
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right now.

400
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>> Yeah, on your side.

401
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>> It would just mean we'd have to do

402
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multiple

403
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um CSD applications.

404
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» So, it's more just tedious at that

405
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:46,480
point.

406
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>> It's just more tedious. It would just be

407
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nice to wrap it in one, you know, consistent CSD

408
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standard. So.

409
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>> I have a question uh uh

410
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might be for staff, but the parcels, is

411
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that like individual parcels or is that

412
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continuous parcels? Cuz I thought it was

413
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in three parcels that we talked about.

414
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It was like three continuous.

415
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If Does that make sense what I'm saying?

416
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Cuz we had Originally we had these

417
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three, right?

418
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>> Mhm.

419
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>> And then looks like they're adding this

420
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fourth one.

421
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So it is so but not necessarily a parcel

422
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like uh you know, a piece of property

423
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has a parcel number.

424
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And then the next property has a parcel

425
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number, but they they both could be

426
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within this continuous.

427
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>> If memory serves, the 60-acre parcel or

428
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the 60-acre property highlighted in red,

429
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I think it consists of three individual

430
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parcels of record.

431
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>> But where but for the way the the

432
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ordinance is written, that would consist

433
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of one parcel. Cuz that's how I

434
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understood it when we talked about it.

435
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Does that make sense what I'm saying?

436
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» That's what I thought we

437
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>> Yeah, so not necessarily a parcel like a property parcel number, but one

438
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continuous

439
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>> So it would count as one

440
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>> area.

441
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,160
>> That maybe's you know, that would

442
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>> I think the intent was one specific area

443
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versus one another versus another.

444
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Parcel can be a little misleading

445
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because there could be more than one

446
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parcel

447
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in one of those red areas.

448
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,000
>> Yes, yes, that's what

449
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So that that's the way I I understood

450
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it, and I I think for the the three

451
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parcels, I think it's just something we

452
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landed on cuz we asked, in my opinion

453
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anyways, that they wanted three

454
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different ones, and I didn't

455
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know if there was a benefit or a

456
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negative to go on upper down.

457
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You know, I I didn't see anybody being

458
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able to abuse it in any way or

459
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,560
you know, any kind of negative thing for

460
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making them more

461
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areas.

462
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>> I I was more concerned about the minimum

463
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size.

464
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>> Yeah.

465
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I I don't want a 7,000 ft parcel

466
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of

467
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commercial area necessarily to be part

468
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of this. So I think we we fixed that.

469
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Uh I'm I'm less concerned about how many

470
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there are within the area. If it If it

471
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fits, it fits.

472
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» And just for the planning commission's

473
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information, I I included this slide

474
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just for your information to remind you

475
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of what you did at your previous

476
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meeting.

477
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When this was going to go to the

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council, I actually had two exhibits. I

479
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had the exhibit that was proposed by the

480
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applicant.

481
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And then I had an exhibit that included

482
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the planning commission's

483
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recommendations.

484
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So, even though I've shown the slide,

485
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this is not what the applicant is

486
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,440
formally requesting. This is just what

487
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the planning commission did last time.

488
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So,

489
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just for your information, that's how I

490
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was proceeding with this application.

491
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,360
>> It's probably a good thing to read that,

492
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,280
too, now that the parcels confuses us

493
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,560
just a few a month later, then it could

494
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,960
confuse us six months down the road, 10

495
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years down the road.

496
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,160
>> So, just to be clear, if we're going off

497
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of continuous parcels being considered

498
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,600
one, then realistically we're one parcel

499
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away from satisfying

500
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the needs that he's concerned about. Cuz

501
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I saw four areas in red. Even if they

502
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consist of nine total parcel numbers,

503
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there are four areas of red.

504
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,920
>> Yeah, so this this slide indicates the

505
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areas I just put up here for the

506
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commission's reference.

507
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These indicate the areas that they want

508
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to include in their CSD application. So,

509
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there are four geographical areas.

510
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,960
Now, there are multiple parcels in a

511
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couple of these areas. I think the

512
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50-acre parcel is one parcel. 36 acres

513
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is one parcel.

514
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The one on the

515
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,960
left, the long one, there might be two

516
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or three parcels in that one. The

517
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,960
60-acre parcel has two or three, as

518
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,390
well.

519
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» I think I think the thought process was

520
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that

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if you have 125 acres and you limit it

522
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to three

523
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parcels, and the smallest being 30, then

524
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you're not going to have four

525
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parcels at 30.

526
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Whereas, the prior minimum was 50

527
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parcel,

528
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,830
correct?

529
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,520
» Is there a better word than parcel that

530
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,280
we can put in there?

531
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,280
>> Well, there's and I think Kelly and I

532
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,760
are on the same page cuz parcel is a

533
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,280
term of art in our business. It's a tax

534
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,800
ID number.

535
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,200
And in the development business, it's

536
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,800
probably not exactly the same.

537
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,120
So, maybe that's where we're

538
00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:28,200
>> So, could we

539
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,886
put a definition in here of for for

540
00:23:30,886 --> 00:23:33,760
[clears throat] land use of area is the

541
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,680
continuous parcel parcels combined and

542
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240
only have four areas or three areas of

543
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,600
continuous land use? Could we could we

544
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,320
just define that better so that there's

545
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,120
clarity? Cuz

546
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,480
I kind of agree with the chair. If a

547
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,840
month later we're kind of still trying

548
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,040
to define this, then that to me mean

549
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,000
probably shouldn't go before the

550
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,110
council's will just yet.

551
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,200
» I don't know if it would

552
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,080
Sorry.

553
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,360
>> No, go ahead, Mr. Johnson, please.

554
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:09,560
>> I don't know if we would just call it

555
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,640
um three or four [snorts]

556
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,440
continuous areas of land or continuous tracts of land and so that

557
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,160
we're not we just don't use parcel at

558
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,080
all since it does have that

559
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,960
term of art connected to it.

560
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,280
>> Yeah, I was I was thinking the same

561
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,840
thing as as Matt. You do three or four

562
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,800
geographical areas.

563
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,440
Um that way we just get away from the

564
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,440
parcel definition. Thanks, Matt.

565
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,750
>> Yeah, I like that a little bit better.

566
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,640
» Mr. Chair, yes. If Andrew, if we just

567
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,920
eliminated the the phrase enclosed not

568
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,440
more than three parcels and each parcel

569
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,720
being larger than 30 acres.

570
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,000
is covered if we change

571
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,200
if we

572
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,560
change our minimum up here to from 50 to

573
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,600
30.

574
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,240
And got rid of that phrase all together,

575
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,670
would that not solve all these problems?

576
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,400
» Yes.

577
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,150
>> I think that would help.

578
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,640
» So, it would be sized the minimum size

579
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,360
for any application for a commercial

580
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,680
special district shall be 30 acres.

581
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,160
Or at least 30 acres that we're saying.

582
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,280
>> Well, cuz we're already dealing with the

583
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,960
125 and the applicants changed two lines

584
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,320
below that. So, we we probably need to

585
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,080
stick that 30-acre minimum in there

586
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,080
somewhere. And maybe it's simply losing

587
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,640
the phrase includes not more than three

588
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,840
parcels.

589
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,160
>> That may be the easiest way to do it is

590
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,440
just eliminate that three parcel

591
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,640
requirement.

592
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,040
>> Yeah.

593
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,510
Does that get you where you need to go?

594
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,040
» Yeah, I

595
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,000
>> I don't sense anybody's got a problem

596
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,840
with the philosophy. I think we're we're

597
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,960
wordsmithing it to see if we can help them and still

598
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,800
protect what we're trying to

599
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,960
>> Yeah, yeah, and I think by

600
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,160
changing the 50 acre to 30 and then

601
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,760
honestly probably just removing the

602
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:56,000
green is the easiest from my perspective. Obviously, you guys have

603
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,040
your own perspectives on this, but um

604
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,760
my thought is, you know, since this is

605
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,000
just what is allowed for an application

606
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,680
the power to approve that application,

607
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,120
you know, still ultimately lies

608
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:14,240
with, you know, commission and council.

609
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,520
So,

610
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,720
I don't know how

611
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,160
serious

612
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,960
kind of this nitpick, you know, kind of

613
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,080
like the back and forth is. Um if

614
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:26,880
at the end of the day, you know,

615
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,160
commission and council still has the

616
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,680
ability to approve or deny.

617
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,120
Um

618
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,280
So, but

619
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,040
yeah, I think certainly just removing

620
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,200
that 50 to 30 and then probably removing

621
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,440
that first green section.

622
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,200
>> even sure we need to move the 50 if we

623
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,840
just leave in the line each parcel being larger than

624
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,640
30 acres.

625
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,080
>> Mhm.

626
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,000
>> I agree.

627
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,880
>> Yeah.

628
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,760
>> Just remove includes

629
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,120
not more than three parcels.

630
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,600
>> get rid of the three parcel max.

631
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,240
>> Would you entertain changing that second

632
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,720
parcel word to tract of land kind of

633
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,600
like what

634
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,440
>> I think that's

635
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:01,720
>> Okay.

636
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,240
>> in our benefit as well. Yep.

637
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,840
>> Then I'm totally okay with that.

638
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,383
>> If we had geographic tract

639
00:27:06,383 --> 00:27:08,750
[clears throat]

640
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,680
So we don't get confused again.

641
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,800
>> Well, we'll figure out a way to get

642
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,933
confused again.

643
00:27:12,933 --> 00:27:13,200
>> [laughter]

644
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,560
>> We do it every meeting.

645
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,160
>> So the discussion right now is just to

646
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,840
remove includes not more than three

647
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,880
parcels and each parcel and just

648
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,960
including or adding in their tract of

649
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,000
land being larger than 30 acres. Is that

650
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,550
correct? Is that what I'm hearing?

651
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:28,800
» Yep.

652
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:29,960
>> And then I think if we leave it to the

653
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,400
staff to word smith that grammatically

654
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,120
properly, I think you know where we're trying to go.

655
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,790
>> I got you.

656
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,720
» Yep.

657
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,240
>> All right.

658
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,510
>> One more question if that's all right.

659
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,320
» Well, [clears throat]

660
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,280
and I'm trying to recall, is there a

661
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,440
reason we put a cap on this? Were we

662
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,520
concerned that it could be taken too far

663
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,800
with too many parcels in one or

664
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,040
>> I think it was to keep the 60,000 acres

665
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,480
out. Yeah, the smaller acres.

666
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,880
>> I think we talked about it. I think we

667
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,400
also came to the conclusion there aren't

668
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,440
that many parcels available.

669
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,840
>> Yes.

670
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,920
>> tracts available within the city.

671
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,800
>> And most of them are

672
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,200
>> This is going to apply to this. This is

673
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,480
most of most of them are in there.

674
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,800
>> thing.

675
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,040
>> So realistically

676
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,680
removing that language and that cap,

677
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,680
there there shouldn't be any negative

678
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,120
repercussions moving forward in the

679
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,040
future against

680
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,280
>> the master plan or anything of that

681
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,960
nature.

682
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,920
>> This is probably the only CSD of the

683
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,960
size we're going to get in the city.

684
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,920
>> Okay.

685
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,920
Just want to confirm before

686
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,240
just playing safe.

687
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,240
>> No, no worries.

688
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,360
>> the major thing thinking back the the

689
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:35,760
biggest thing we tried to achieve was

690
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,600
that 30 acre number.

691
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,080
Um because it wasn't going to work

692
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:44,510
without that. So

693
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,040
» All right.

694
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,520
>> Any other discussion for staff and the

695
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,240
applicant?

696
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,720
>> a question for the applicant.

697
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,400
>> Mr. Fillingsen?

698
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,040
>> What What [clears throat] is the impetus

699
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,080
for

700
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:54,880
um

701
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,560
doing the

702
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,960
land use map at the same

703
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:01,800
>> So, um

704
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,880
I think part of our thought process was

705
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,960
making that consistent with the language

706
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,440
within the residential special district

707
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,440
where they are um done at the same time.

708
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,440
And so, I It was making it consistent,

709
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,005
but also just one less

710
00:29:20,005 --> 00:29:20,400
>> [clears throat]

711
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,800
>> application, one less, you know, waiting

712
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,600
game process and

713
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,600
>> I'm all for that.

714
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,030
>> So, yeah.

715
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,800
» Perfect. Any other questions for the

716
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,390
applicant tonight?

717
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,440
All right. Excellent discussion. I like

718
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,480
it. All right. This item also does

719
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,560
require a public hearing. I will go

720
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,120
ahead and open that public hearing now.

721
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,080
If you'd like to speak to this

722
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,480
particular item, please approach the

723
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,680
podium.

724
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,030
State your name for the record.

725
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,400
Seeing no one approach, I'll go ahead

726
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,960
and close the public hearing and bring

727
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,280
this back to the commission for any

728
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,040
other further discussion or further

729
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:05,670
action.

730
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,680
» Mr. Chairman, maybe for just one last question for staff. Are

731
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,120
you ready for a finished motion here or

732
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,600
do you want to

733
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,510
play with it first?

734
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,265
» I'm good to go.

735
00:30:20,265 --> 00:30:24,910
>> [laughter]

736
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,200
» Um Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion, I

737
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,280
think.

738
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,160
>> Thank [laughter] you, Commissioner

739
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,320
Sloan. Thank you.

740
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,560
>> Um I move that uh

741
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,080
>> What are we approving or making a

742
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:35,920
recommendation?

743
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,360
>> recommendation

744
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,880
uh that we that we send this to the city

745
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,040
council with a positive recommendation

746
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,440
uh with the section in green, the staff

747
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:51,350
section.

748
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,520
Just removing the includes not more than

749
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,910
three parcels and

750
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,040
» And then forward parcels of land tract.

751
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,960
>> tract of land

752
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,680
>> Oh, yeah. Change the word parcel to

753
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,760
geographical tract

754
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,640
or whatever is appropriate there.

755
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,760
>> Perfect. Got a positive recommendation

756
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,240
from Commissioner Sloan to remove the

757
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720
includes not more than three parcels and

758
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,080
each parcel and just including

759
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,920
geographical tract or whatever word

760
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,000
works perfectly for Mr. Johnson down

761
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,120
there.

762
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,111
>> That's all Mr. Johnson. Sorry.

763
00:31:25,111 --> 00:31:25,520
>> [laughter]

764
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,520
>> Are we making a staff

765
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,520
>> No, I'll second that.

766
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,920
>> Is that everything for that motion,

767
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:31,920
Commissioner Sloan?

768
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,800
>> I certainly hope so.

769
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,480
>> Okay.

770
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,280
>> I second. [laughter]

771
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,920
>> Second from Commissioner Proctor. Any

772
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,320
discussion before we take this to a

773
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,440
vote?

774
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,680
Commissioner Hemmer how do you vote?

775
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:41,120
>> I.

776
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,800
>> Commissioner Sloan?

777
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,000
>> I.

778
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,720
>> Commissioner Proctor?

779
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,040
>> I.

780
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,840
>> Commissioner Linford?

781
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,240
>> I.

782
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,080
>> Commissioner Jensen?

783
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:45,320
>> I.

784
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,280
>> Commissioner Anderson?

785
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:46,640
>> I.

786
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,520
>> I'm Chairman Hamilton. I also vote I.

787
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,040
That one passes seven to zero. Great

788
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,400
discussion. Thank you guys on that one.

789
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,240
Cleaning up our books as we speak.

790
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,880
Number five on our agenda tonight is a

791
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,720
public hearing and recommendation on a

792
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,040
proposed partial street vacation of 20

793
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,360
foot strip of public right-of-way along

794
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,640
the southern portion of Utah Avenue

795
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,600
extending approximately 738 linear feet

796
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,080
between the railroad crossing to the

797
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,640
west and 1100 West intersection to the

798
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,920
east which would reduce the existing

799
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,080
right-of-way width from of Utah Avenue

800
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,840
from approximately 109 feet to

801
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,400
approximately 89 feet.

802
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,070
Ms. England.

803
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,760
» Um yes, the the request is to vacate the

804
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,360
20 foot strip of excess right-of-way

805
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280
along the south side of Utah Avenue. The

806
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,280
city supports the reduction because the

807
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,480
railroad crossing to the west will not

808
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,000
be expanded meaning this additional

809
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,840
right away is not anticipated to

810
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,080
be needed for future roadway

811
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,440
improvements. Um

812
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,760
it is also just going to join the

813
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,320
property that is to the south there as

814
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,680
well.

815
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,080
Um

816
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,160
the primary issue raised during the

817
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,640
noticing was Einhell existing gas line.

818
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,640
They had some questions about what their

819
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,120
utility easement looks like there.

820
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,480
However, [clears throat] the proposed

821
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,400
ordinance specifically reserves a

822
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,680
perpetual public utility easement over

823
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,160
the vacated area protecting existing and

824
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,760
future utilities. Staff has not

825
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,520
identified any impact to transportation,

826
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,480
emergency access, or other public

827
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,563
functions with this right away vacation.

828
00:33:29,563 --> 00:33:31,990
>> [snorts]

829
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,400
» Based on the statutory

830
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,320
criteria, staff finds that there is a

831
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,280
good cause for the vacation and that

832
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,520
neither the public interest nor any

833
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,320
person will be materially injured.

834
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,080
Staff recommends

835
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,680
that city council and planning

836
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,200
commission approve the ordinance.

837
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,080
So, and if you have any other questions,

838
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,520
I'm here and so is Paul if you have some

839
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,720
questions specifically about Utah

840
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,040
Avenue.

841
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Okay?

842
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,280
>> Perfect. Let's bring it back to the

843
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:14,270
commission for questions for staff.

844
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,840
Not seeing any. It might be a good

845
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,240
thing, huh? [laughter]

846
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:18,720
>> We got to ask Paul a question at some

847
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:19,399
point. He stayed here.

848
00:34:19,399 --> 00:34:19,998
>> Yeah.

849
00:34:19,998 --> 00:34:20,399
>> [clears throat]

850
00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:22,120
>> He stayed here just for this. We

851
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,583
guarantee it.

852
00:34:24,583 --> 00:34:28,070
>> [laughter]

853
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,879
» Anybody have a difficult

854
00:34:29,879 --> 00:34:32,679
question for Mr. Hansen.

855
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,040
All right, well.

856
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,028
No discussion on this item.

857
00:34:37,028 --> 00:34:37,800
>> [laughter]

858
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,520
>> I'll entertain a motion.

859
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,159
Oh, yes, you are right, absolutely.

860
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:43,760
Thank you, Ms. Young, I appreciate that.

861
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,639
This item does require a public hearing,

862
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:46,840
so I'll go ahead and open the public

863
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,040
hearing now.

864
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:48,879
If you'd like to speak to this

865
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:50,320
particular item, please approach the

866
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,800
podium, state your name for the record,

867
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,310
and then write your name for the record.

868
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,520
Seeing no one approach, I'll go ahead

869
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,120
and close the public hearing and bring

870
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,480
it back to the commission for further

871
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,280
action.

872
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,320
>> Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion.

873
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,840
>> Commissioner Jensen, go ahead.

874
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,600
>> I move that we forward a positive

875
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,440
recommendee

876
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,280
uh recommendation to the City Council

877
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,280
for approval of Ordinance number 2026-22

878
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,000
vacating a 20-ft portion of the Utah

879
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,880
Avenue public right-of-way extending

880
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,160
approximately 738 linear ft between 1100

881
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,240
West and the railroad tracks,

882
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:29,750
application number 2026-0252

883
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,040
uh based on the findings contained in

884
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,240
the staff report dated August 5th, 2026.

885
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,960
>> I have a positive recommendation from

886
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,600
Commissioner Jensen. Do I have a second?

887
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,440
>> I'll second.

888
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,320
>> And a second from Commissioner Linford.

889
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,800
Any discussion before we take this to a

890
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,110
vote?

891
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,280
Commissioner Hammer, how do you vote?

892
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:48,600
>> I.

893
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,360
>> Commissioner Sloan.

894
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:49,600
>> I.

895
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,400
>> Commissioner Proctor.

896
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:50,760
>> I.

897
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,680
>> Commissioner Linford.

898
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,040
>> I.

899
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:52,880
>> Commissioner Jensen.

900
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,200
>> I.

901
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,120
>> Commissioner Anderson.

902
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:54,560
>> I.

903
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,480
am Chairman Hamilton, I also vote I.

904
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,880
That is a positive recommendation 7-0

905
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,880
heading up to the City Council.

906
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,120
Moves us on to number six on our agenda,

907
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,680
which is another public hearing and

908
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,440
recommendation on a proposed amendments

909
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,040
to Tooele City code title seven, uniform

910
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,600
zoning code of Tooele City by adapting

911
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,280
by adopting chapter 11C design standards

912
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,680
commercial, establishing architectural

913
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,320
standards for commercial development in

914
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,200
Tooele City's commercial, industrial,

915
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,320
and mixed-use zoning districts. Mr.

916
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:24,920
Eggar.

917
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,600
>> Thank you, Commissioners. Been working

918
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,360
on this ordinance

919
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,560
a little bit here, a little bit there

920
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,200
over the past couple of years, and

921
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,600
now that my city planner's coming

922
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,040
online, I've had more time to to to dive

923
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,960
into some of these nagging projects that

924
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,200
I've been wanting to get to you.

925
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,320
Um and one of those has been the

926
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,880
architectural design standards for

927
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,760
commercial zoning.

928
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,600
That actually is an incorrect heading

929
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,080
there. It's not for commercial zoning

930
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,480
districts, it's for commercial

931
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,080
development, and I'll explain why.

932
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,760
Currently, Tooele City does not have any

933
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,520
architectural design standards for

934
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,960
development in commercial zoning

935
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,440
districts

936
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,120
at all.

937
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,200
There's just nothing there.

938
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,800
So, any commercial development can build

939
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,440
any type of building they want to

940
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,280
without regard

941
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,080
to

942
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,680
building appearance from public rights

943
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,920
of way,

944
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,280
building appearance from residential

945
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,920
neighborhoods,

946
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,640
building appearance at entrance points

947
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,040
into the city,

948
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,920
location and appearance of dumpster and

949
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,640
trash enclosures, location and screening

950
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,760
of rooftop and wall-mounted mechanical

951
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,040
equipment,

952
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,080
and the appearance of commercial-related

953
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,670
accessory structures.

954
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,520
So, what we've done, and the mayor has encouraged me to move this through

955
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,040
the process,

956
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,160
is we've written a new ordinance

957
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,000
to try and set or create some

958
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,720
architectural standards. Now, I do want

959
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,200
to state

960
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,080
that the intent of this ordinance is not

961
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,080
to make development more more onerous

962
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,800
for developers.

963
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,280
It is to basically lock in that which

964
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,720
we're already getting from developers.

965
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:03,600
So, when when putting this ordinance

966
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,520
together, I spent a lot of time doing a

967
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,240
visual inventory of both newer

968
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,680
structures in the city as well as

969
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,880
structures that have been here for a

970
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,080
while,

971
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,880
and have incorporated what they put on

972
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,680
their buildings into what this ordinance

973
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,200
requires.

974
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,720
We're getting large enough as a city

975
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,960
that it might be a good idea to preserve

976
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,280
what we've got. And uh

977
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,720
enough people are coming into the city

978
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,520
now that uh

979
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,200
we're starting to receive feedback from

980
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,520
the public and they want to keep the

981
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,080
city looking well. So,

982
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,880
that's the purpose behind this. It isn't

983
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,720
to make de- development more difficult.

984
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,440
It's just to maintain what we're

985
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,280
getting. And I think by for the most

986
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,560
part, what we're seeing in Tooele

987
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,200
is being well done. I think the

988
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,400
architecture for the new buildings looks good.

989
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,760
And what you're seeing constructed out

990
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,680
there would be permissible easily under

991
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,760
this code. So, I just want to make sure

992
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,800
the planning commission is aware of

993
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,040
that. It's not my intention to design a

994
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,360
building.

995
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,280
It's not my intention to be an architect

996
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,440
or to play an architect on TV. Okay?

997
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,520
I'm not an architect. A landscape

998
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,160
architect, but I'm not a building

999
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,560
architect and I don't want to be one.

1000
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,080
Too much math.

1001
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,880
So, let's just dive into what the code

1002
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,400
says and what we're doing and then uh

1003
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,840
get some feedback from you, see what you

1004
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,320
think.

1005
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,920
So, as I mentioned, we're proposing a

1006
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,200
new code. We're proposing title 7

1007
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,160
chapter 11 C.

1008
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,400
Uh we have title 7 chapter 11 B, which

1009
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,440
is multi-family design standards and we

1010
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,440
have

1011
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,920
or excuse me, chapter 11 A is

1012
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,480
multi-family and then 11 B is

1013
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,720
single-family standards. So, we we just

1014
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,360
added this right behind for commercial

1015
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,720
standards.

1016
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,480
Uh the first ti- the first paragraph

1017
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,520
here is applicability. And basically, it

1018
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,880
states that the standards of this

1019
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,280
ordinance shall apply to all exterior

1020
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,640
facades

1021
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,720
open to a public view from the public

1022
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:54,440
right-of-way, public space, adjacent

1023
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,680
residential dwelling, or future

1024
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,400
residential area.

1025
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,880
I refer to this as four-sided

1026
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,520
architecture. So, if a building is being

1027
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,520
proposed in an area where there's a lot

1028
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,160
of visibility, they need to give equal

1029
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,200
treatment to the visible sides as they

1030
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,240
would to the front of the building.

1031
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,200
Uh a good example of this is the

1032
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,360
um

1033
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,760
the Allen's Flooring building when

1034
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,400
you're coming over the viaduct. You'll

1035
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,840
note that the front of that building is

1036
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,120
very nice. It was well designed.

1037
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,040
But the most visible facade, the north

1038
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,240
side, is just a corrugated metal wall.

1039
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:26,680
And [snorts] then under this ordinance,

1040
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,440
they would have had to

1041
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,080
put the same treatment on the side of

1042
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,560
the building, the visible side, as they

1043
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,640
would on the front.

1044
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,840
Um

1045
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,120
going back to this not applying just to

1046
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,320
commercial zones, the applicability

1047
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,760
uh paragraph refers to the GC, NC, RC,

1048
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,760
RD zones. Those are the commercial

1049
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,520
zones, but the RD is the research and

1050
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,920
development.

1051
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,560
But it also requires development in the

1052
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,280
industrial service and light industrial

1053
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,280
to comply with the with the requirements

1054
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,520
the standards of this chapter. And the

1055
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,800
reason being is those two industrial

1056
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,880
zones allow a lot of

1057
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,440
retail,

1058
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,120
professional office, and those types of

1059
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,040
commercial activities.

1060
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,520
And much we have two of those zones

1061
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,120
immediately adjacent to SR 36 in a very

1062
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,480
high visible location. So, I wanted to

1063
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,040
make sure these standards applied to

1064
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,080
those two zones as well.

1065
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,440
And then as well as the mixed-use

1066
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,240
general and the mixed-use Broadway

1067
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,840
zones. Those two zones

1068
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,080
allow

1069
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,840
pretty much every commercial activity

1070
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:28,920
you're going to get in the general

1071
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,640
commercial zone.

1072
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,040
And we're seeing a lot of commercial

1073
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,800
development in the general in the

1074
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,440
mixed-use zoning districts. And so, I

1075
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,640
wanted to make sure that these standards

1076
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,480
applied to those as well.

1077
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,000
And then section number two there, it

1078
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,640
defines what is a renovation. Just so

1079
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,120
when someone comes in, we can have a

1080
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,680
pretty clear standard as to what is

1081
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,280
a renovation and what isn't.

1082
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,320
Um the second paragraph section two is

1083
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,880
bulk. Uh this is just referring to

1084
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,840
breaking up an architectural wall with

1085
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,680
some elements.

1086
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,760
So, you don't have a solid wall of block

1087
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,080
or a solid wall of stucco.

1088
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,680
And it just kind of explains some of the

1089
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,440
things that they could use to do that,

1090
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,920
as well as number five, other

1091
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,840
architectural features that satisfy this

1092
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,280
requirement.

1093
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,560
So, we're trying to avoid a solid wall

1094
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,520
of one material.

1095
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,640
Break it up.

1096
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,070
Okay?

1097
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,800
And this is kind of an intention of what

1098
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,840
we would like to see in regards to

1099
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,840
um how you can shift wall facades. You

1100
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,920
can use columns, you can use arches, you

1101
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,600
can do you can use cantilevered spaces

1102
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,680
and so forth to provide a little architectural variety to a wall

1103
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,080
facade.

1104
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,800
Section three is the roof line.

1105
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,520
Basically, this ordinance this this

1106
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,240
section would just try to break up a

1107
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,000
long roof line.

1108
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,720
Good example of this is the retail

1109
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:49,920
building

1110
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,960
that you see where the Milly Subs and

1111
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,640
the Bald Guys Pizza is. Very long

1112
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,600
building, very long roof line, there's

1113
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,800
no variation in the height there.

1114
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,840
Uh we just want to make sure that they

1115
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,760
those are those are broken up.

1116
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,080
And here's some examples of what we're

1117
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,120
trying to accomplish with this

1118
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,600
ordinance. You'll notice that most of

1119
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,080
the buildings in Tooele City don't have

1120
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,720
a problem with that. Those those roof

1121
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:13,360
lines are broken up with

1122
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,630
decorative parapets and so forth.

1123
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,280
Exterior building materials, we want to

1124
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,160
provide plenty of flexibility. So, in

1125
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,920
this case, where in the ordinance it it

1126
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,760
requires more than two, but no more than

1127
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,000
five.

1128
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,160
Uh the buildings we don't want the

1129
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,120
building to get too busy.

1130
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,640
But um it also talks about the colors

1131
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,280
and uh the maximum amount of one

1132
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,920
material you could have on the building

1133
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,750
facade.

1134
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,840
And again, this is what we're intending,

1135
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,520
what we believe the code would would

1136
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,160
yield for us.

1137
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,400
Uh very similar to what we're already

1138
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,040
getting here in the city in regards to

1139
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,240
architectural design. And it provides

1140
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,280
plenty of flexibility for an architect

1141
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,280
to

1142
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,960
uh do as they desire with the building,

1143
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,840
but maintains a minimum standard.

1144
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,160
Uh section five is prohibited materials.

1145
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,120
There's a list of materials that are not

1146
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,880
permitted as

1147
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,880
uh anything other than

1148
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,040
um

1149
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,505
minor

1150
00:44:09,505 --> 00:44:09,560
>> [clears throat]

1151
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,240
>> minor decorative elements. Some of those

1152
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:14,040
things are vinyl aluminum siding, wood,

1153
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,760
uh, pattern stucco as a masonry

1154
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,720
substitute, precast cement panel walls,

1155
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,710
and so forth.

1156
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:23,240
Uh, we do not have anything in our code

1157
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,120
currently that requires any screening of

1158
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,040
mechanical equipment. So, a lot of times

1159
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,400
you'll see a very nice building with a

1160
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,600
very large

1161
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,080
air cooling system on top of it or very

1162
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,040
large facility next to the building

1163
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,280
or even hanging on the wall.

1164
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,640
And what we would like to see is

1165
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,600
something that requires some some

1166
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,480
screening of these of these, uh,

1167
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,640
mechanical equipment. It can be

1168
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,960
a lattice fence, a parapet wall, or

1169
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,760
maybe even an architectural fence on top

1170
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,200
of the building.

1171
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,040
Uh, just something to give a little more

1172
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,000
screening appearance to these these

1173
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,720
mechanical equipments and maintain the

1174
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,870
visual appeal of the building itself.

1175
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,840
Uh, section seven dumpsters and trash

1176
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,840
enclosures. We do not have any language

1177
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,960
in our code concerning dumpsters and

1178
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,440
trash enclosures for commercial

1179
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,760
properties.

1180
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,000
And Paul and I, and I'm sure Anna as she

1181
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,200
gets into these reviews, we are

1182
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,680
constantly dealing with where they're

1183
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,160
putting these trash enclosures.

1184
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,920
Uh, the ordinance basically requires

1185
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,760
them to be located as far as possible

1186
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,800
from the public right of way

1187
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,120
and to be constructed or painted of

1188
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,840
materials that

1189
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,071
look like the building.

1190
00:45:30,071 --> 00:45:30,440
>> [snorts]

1191
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,560
>> Uh, it also requires a solid metal or

1192
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,640
vinyl enclosure gate. We don't want a

1193
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,560
chain link fence.

1194
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,280
Uh,

1195
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,080
dumpster enclosures aren't necessarily

1196
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,680
the biggest things to look at. So, we'd

1197
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,120
like to have those screened as much as

1198
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,560
possible.

1199
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,720
And this is what the intent of the

1200
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,560
ordinance would be. Um,

1201
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,550
something of that nature.

1202
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,240
And then, uh,

1203
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,480
section eight, accessory drive-thru

1204
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,920
facilities. This is a a section I just

1205
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,800
recently added based It's what I heard

1206
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,120
from the planning commission last time.

1207
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Uh we might as well have some language

1208
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,320
in there regarding

1209
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,240
the screening of

1210
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:09,800
drive-thru facilities where the

1211
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,640
drive-thru is located between the

1212
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,320
building and the public right-of-way.

1213
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,360
And what the what are my intent is is

1214
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,400
this is the This is the Mobertas.

1215
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,960
And I was always quite pleased with how

1216
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,400
they did their their landscaping.

1217
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,360
They've got a mix of burn burns,

1218
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,720
boulders, and plantings in there.

1219
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:31,120
And they it offers some screening to that that

1220
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,080
drive-thru. And I think that's the

1221
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,400
intent of what we're trying to get to

1222
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,790
with this code.

1223
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,760
Uh commercial accessory structures, we

1224
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,880
do have a lot of businesses that utilize

1225
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,320
commercial accessory structures. And and

1226
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,880
this ordinance would require these these

1227
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,640
structures to

1228
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,200
either be constructed of material

1229
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,840
similar or complementary to the main

1230
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,240
structure

1231
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,240
or painted a color that is similar to

1232
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:56,560
the main structure so that it's not

1233
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,000
something that stands out like a sore

1234
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,440
thumb.

1235
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,160
It also talks about shipping containers

1236
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,640
that they be stored behind the main

1237
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,240
building in locations that cannot be

1238
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,480
viewed from public rights-of-way

1239
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,920
or residential districts and shall be

1240
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,320
painted a color that is similar or

1241
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,840
complementary to the main commercial

1242
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,120
structure it is associated with. So, it

1243
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,840
doesn't prohibit them. It try It gives

1244
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,960
us a little more teeth in regards to

1245
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,560
where they can put them.

1246
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,520
And hopefully they'll paint them to

1247
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,760
complement the building so they don't

1248
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,387
stand out.

1249
00:47:23,387 --> 00:47:24,160
>> [snorts]

1250
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,880
>> As always, there will be disagreements

1251
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,040
between staff and the

1252
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,080
and a developer.

1253
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,000
Um

1254
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,400
in that case, I wanted to have a a a

1255
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,720
mechanism for an appeal. There could

1256
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,080
also be a situation where a new exterior

1257
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,240
material is brought to our attention

1258
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:42,960
that does not that is not addressed in

1259
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,280
the code.

1260
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:44,348
Uh

1261
00:47:44,348 --> 00:47:44,480
>> [snorts]

1262
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,200
>> so, basically, they could they could

1263
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,080
submit an application to me

1264
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,400
and then we would bring it to the

1265
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,280
planning commission and let you guys

1266
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,200
be the judge as to whether or not this

1267
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,400
it meets community standards.

1268
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,240
Um

1269
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:00,680
And thank you to to the city attorney

1270
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,200
for providing this language for me. It's

1271
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,640
very helpful.

1272
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,360
And then the final section number 11,

1273
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,840
failure to act, it just states that if

1274
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,280
they do not comply with the requirements

1275
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,840
of the section, they shall not receive

1276
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,080
site plan design review.

1277
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,160
Uh we want to make sure the ordinance

1278
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,200
does have some teeth in regards to

1279
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,000
enforceability. So, that's what we're

1280
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,120
proposing. I had a lot of fun working on

1281
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,560
it. I'm having fun talking about it with

1282
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,760
you. If you have any questions,

1283
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,640
if you have any feedback,

1284
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,640
let me know.

1285
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,160
>> That's right. Just bringing this back to

1286
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,080
the commission. I do have one quick one

1287
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,480
while we're here, and this has to do

1288
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,920
with our downtown district. Uh going to

1289
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,280
renovate a building here, I don't want

1290
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,960
to put modern stuff on an old building.

1291
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
So, that last little application to

1292
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,080
appeal is actually helpful in that

1293
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,880
sense, but I'm not sure that that would

1294
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,880
apply to an a downtown overlay, would

1295
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,190
it?

1296
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,120
» The ordinance actually does not mention

1297
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,760
the downtown overlay. So, I believe it

1298
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,240
would as it's currently structured.

1299
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:57,680
However,

1300
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,080
given what I see in the downtown

1301
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,520
overlay, I don't think there'd be any

1302
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,040
compliance issues with the code

1303
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:02,640
requires.

1304
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,720
>> Even if we were to fix a facade or

1305
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,600
anything like that, I don't even want

1306
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:06,680
to.

1307
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,280
>> I don't think you'd have any problem.

1308
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:08,840
>> Perfect.

1309
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,160
>> Now, if you wanted if if there's

1310
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,880
something you are concerned, we could we

1311
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,120
could add you could recommend that we

1312
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,280
add

1313
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,160
an exemption for the downtown overlay.

1314
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,480
It could be very simple as that.

1315
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,120
Uh we are ha- I'm happy to do that for

1316
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,200
you.

1317
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,640
Um I do know that Councilman Gossip

1318
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,400
mentioned the same thing in in our work

1319
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,280
session with the council.

1320
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,360
Uh so, I wanted to bring it to you guys

1321
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,960
first before I tinkered with that, but

1322
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,800
I don't think you're going to have any

1323
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,560
problems. The There There's enough

1324
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,600
flexibility in the code there that

1325
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,560
we can work with you.

1326
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,800
>> And that's kind of what I assumed.

1327
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,880
There's There's the intentions to make

1328
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,320
it look nice, and of course I agree with

1329
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,480
that wholeheartedly, but I'm not going

1330
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,760
to take a historic building and put

1331
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,520
modern stuff on the front of it. I can

1332
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,520
We want to get it back to

1333
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,640
historical-looking, of course. so.

1334
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:53,200
>> Perfect.

1335
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,480
>> And technically, historical buildings

1336
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,720
have a lot more arches and coins and

1337
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,120
things of that nature in the buildings

1338
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,720
that I don't think you'd have a problem.

1339
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:00,800
>> If you're doing it the right way,

1340
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,920
absolutely, yes. It should break up a

1341
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,200
lot of them, but

1342
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,840
>> But if that's a concern, let's let's add

1343
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,480
that to the code. I'm not I don't have a

1344
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,720
problem with that.

1345
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:09,600
>> Good.

1346
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,040
I heard more

1347
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,440
questions over here coming up.

1348
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Commissioner Proctor.

1349
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,360
>> Oh, just some comments, and thank you

1350
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,360
for adding the drive-thru accessory and

1351
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,360
also the

1352
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,680
shipping containers don't need a rusted

1353
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,000
container sitting out next to a nice

1354
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:24,960
building.

1355
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,440
>> Yeah, we we have a couple in the city

1356
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,000
that are eye sores.

1357
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,120
Uh that was one of the things I really

1358
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,080
wanted to tackle with this, so.

1359
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,120
>> Commissioner Sloan.

1360
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,800
>> Um just since I seem to be in a

1361
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,560
word-smithing mode tonight, um

1362
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,840
I do love having accessory drive-thru

1363
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,920
stuff in there, and I love the

1364
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,360
I love what Mo Bettis did with the My

1365
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,160
concern is that in that section, using

1366
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,160
the word screen

1367
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,160
without quantifying it,

1368
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,920
whereas prior sections, you screen the

1369
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,080
HVAC and you screen the dumpsters

1370
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,640
to get them completely out of sight. Um

1371
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,600
any concern that

1372
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,360
this is obviously not that, but that's a

1373
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,120
good-looking drive-in approach, and I

1374
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,520
think that's what we want to see if I'm

1375
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,640
reading the room right. Do we need to be

1376
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,200
any more careful with the verb? Is is

1377
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,600
that going to I mean, is somebody going

1378
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,200
to come in and say, "Okay." Especially

1379
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,880
as I read down what's allowed to do,

1380
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:20,800
um

1381
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,200
the one I was trying

1382
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,960
>> Perhaps we use something like to help

1383
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,520
obscure.

1384
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,520
>> I I I and I understand this is as

1385
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,960
nitpicky as it is, but uh

1386
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,350
um

1387
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,880
For example, you've got decorative

1388
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,240
masonry or vinyl fencing panels. Okay,

1389
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,200
those are going to be 6 ft tall. So,

1390
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,840
it's it's it can be a little bit you

1391
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,640
know, if I say if we put a 6-ft fence

1392
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,000
between the store and the right-of-way,

1393
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,560
that that's going to defeat the purpose

1394
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,560
of all the work that you've done here.

1395
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,680
And and it may be for perfectly okay.

1396
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,000
Uh I'm just asking the question so we

1397
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,800
don't have to come back and explain to

1398
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,760
an applicant.

1399
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,240
>> I had a picture I was going to put in

1400
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,000
the presentation and I didn't I didn't

1401
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,760
put it in there and I wish I did.

1402
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,400
It was a drive-thru use in Riverton that

1403
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,600
I approved where they used 3-ft concrete

1404
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,240
masonry fence panels to screen it and

1405
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,120
they they jogged them around. They had

1406
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,560
landscaping. It looked really nice.

1407
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,120
>> Cool.

1408
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,640
>> Um

1409
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,600
Maybe we could do something where we put

1410
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,080
limit the height of the fencing panels

1411
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,520
to 3 ft.

1412
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,880
>> Yeah, that's going to

1413
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,960
>> or something that nature.

1414
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,600
>> And that's kind of where I'm getting at.

1415
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:24,800
I think

1416
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,480
if we just

1417
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,840
we can get exactly where you want to go.

1418
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,840
Uh but not additional.

1419
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,760
>> The intent wasn't to have 6-ft fencing.

1420
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,080
>> No, and I and I understood that but but

1421
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,840
we're using the word screen

1422
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,200
interchangeably in three different

1423
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,200
sections. And the reason for screening the other two

1424
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,560
is very obvious. We don't want people

1425
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:44,080
seeing them.

1426
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:44,520
>> Yeah.

1427
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,960
>> Uh that's not the case here and I know

1428
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,400
that's not the case here. So, uh just

1429
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,320
if if there's not a better adjective

1430
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,640
than than leave it. We'll figure it out

1431
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,080
especially since

1432
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,120
uh

1433
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,040
planning commission's going to have

1434
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,440
approval over a lot of these goofy

1435
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,280
things anyway, so.

1436
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,880
>> Well, let me tinker with that.

1437
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:02,400
>> Okay.

1438
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,640
>> I'm sure I can come up with something

1439
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,400
that's

1440
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,760
You know cuz we're not going to fully

1441
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,520
obscure all those cars that are lining

1442
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,240
up in there. The The purpose is to

1443
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,160
really to soften it and help hide it. Um

1444
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,000
not to take completely

1445
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:15,040
>> Completely

1446
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,960
>> Take out screen and put um utilize to

1447
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:18,880
help

1448
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,120
obscure.

1449
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,240
To to help help help

1450
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,160
obscure it. Not screen it.

1451
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,240
>> Yeah. I I think that's that's doable. No

1452
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,150
problem with that.

1453
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,320
Any other questions for me?

1454
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,920
>> Commissioner Anderson has one.

1455
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,520
>> Well, actually I have a couple of

1456
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,432
things.

1457
00:53:35,432 --> 00:53:36,760
>> [laughter]

1458
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,560
>> First, I want to say thank you because I can tell that you've put a a of work

1459
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,280
into this and and I appreciate that.

1460
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,560
I do have questions about how some of

1461
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,640
these numbers were arrived at.

1462
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,120
For instance,

1463
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,600
25% of the exterior building facade.

1464
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,080
Um

1465
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,840
and that in

1466
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,760
11C1

1467
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,990
um

1468
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,520
and then in 11C4, [snorts] the 75%

1469
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:18,710
no more than 75% of any building should consist of one material.

1470
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,800
Where did those numbers come from? Why?

1471
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,400
What's the thought process?

1472
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,240
>> Okay.

1473
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,000
So, in regards to number four, I'll let

1474
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,440
city attorney

1475
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,000
do that the section one. He He's the one

1476
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,040
that proposed that one, but as far as

1477
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,720
section four

1478
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:36,720
one of the rule of rules of thumbs

1479
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,200
in planning is plagiarizing.

1480
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,520
Uh we go to other city codes and we look

1481
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,960
to see what other cities have done.

1482
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,040
And honestly, I didn't come up with 75%.

1483
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,440
I brought that over from Riverton.

1484
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,320
And it seemed to work well. It seemed

1485
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,880
like it was a it was a large enough

1486
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,200
number

1487
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,160
that

1488
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,200
didn't overwhelm the exterior with one

1489
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,960
material.

1490
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:01,280
And uh

1491
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,400
that's where that number came from.

1492
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,520
>> So, my concern, you know, is that we're

1493
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,960
putting a lot of restrictions on

1494
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,520
businesses that have a a specific look.

1495
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,400
For instance, you know, should we ever

1496
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,120
get an IKEA out here, [clears throat]

1497
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,880
they couldn't come in here and build

1498
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,880
their building

1499
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,400
the way their buildings look in this

1500
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,440
code.

1501
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,600
Um

1502
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,520
and would you consider the bright yellow

1503
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,000
IKEA

1504
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,200
um

1505
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,080
neon

1506
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,440
which would be prohibited under this

1507
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,080
code.

1508
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,840
Um could Costco come out here

1509
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,480
in city limits and build their

1510
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,160
buildings?

1511
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,960
>> Don't start that rumor.

1512
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,120
>> I'm not going to start a rumor, but I

1513
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,920
mean that's a question. Could they?

1514
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:51,360
>> there.

1515
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,000
>> Um and I think that that's

1516
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,960
They have a very specific look. We're not Highland. We're not Park City.

1517
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:01,400
>> It says [laughter] right in there that

1518
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,280
it may be approved as a minor as a

1519
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,160
corporate branding element. It says it

1520
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,400
can be approved.

1521
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:08,040
>> Yeah.

1522
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,160
>> And that's for like IKEA, that's their

1523
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:20,910
corporate branding.

1524
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,600
Did you Was it Was there a question

1525
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,768
there, Kelly? I'm sorry.

1526
00:56:23,768 --> 00:56:25,400
>> [laughter]

1527
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,880
>> Yeah, their question.

1528
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,040
Um

1529
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,120
>> Can I add on to your that number four

1530
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,800
cuz I had a question about that, too.

1531
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:34,320
>> Please.

1532
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:35,400
>> I don't want to cut you off, though.

1533
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:36,280
>> No, go ahead.

1534
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,120
>> So, on the 75% and I might be reading it

1535
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,160
wrong, but I mean like

1536
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,240
Tooele City Hall's a pretty building to

1537
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:45,760
me, but the front, the side, there's

1538
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,560
it's more than 75% brick.

1539
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,040
This building There's not.

1540
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,320
And Tate Mortuary There's There's a slew

1541
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,360
of them all up and down Main Street,

1542
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,800
especially in the old part. The project

1543
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,640
that we did up on Main Street, me and my

1544
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,000
wife,

1545
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,360
that brick house There's not more than

1546
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,120
75% There's more than 75% of other

1547
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,640
product on it, but it's on the back

1548
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,680
corner. That front facade's all brick,

1549
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,080
the side's all brick, and to me it looks

1550
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,040
really good.

1551
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,680
But I mean And the same with Tyson, I

1552
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,400
would hate to have to put something else

1553
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,000
on there. You know, it's a 100-year-old

1554
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,280
brick. We went through a lot of work to

1555
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:25,240
restore it.

1556
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:25,920
>> Mhm.

1557
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,200
>> And then also with that, same on the 75%

1558
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:31,760
um

1559
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,560
it says

1560
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,520
any Oh,

1561
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,040
what kind of what triggers it the

1562
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,360
applicability

1563
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,400
physical modification to an an existing

1564
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,680
structure that alters more than 25% of

1565
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,200
any exterior building facade. So it

1566
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,280
would that like include painting or some

1567
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,400
of the stuff downtown if they took off

1568
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,320
some of the old vinyl weird things that

1569
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,000
they put on over the years to get it

1570
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,960
back to brick.

1571
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,840
I mean the way I'm reading it you

1572
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,240
wouldn't be able to do that and that

1573
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,560
seems kind of counter intuitive. So

1574
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,400
>> So painting wouldn't be considered a

1575
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,400
renovation. It's just a it's just a

1576
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:10,240
maintenance.

1577
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,040
>> Okay.

1578
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,960
>> We would defer to building code in

1579
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,520
regards to what the building code is

1580
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,760
going to require for for a renovation.

1581
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,600
And typically painting and an exterior

1582
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,400
maintenance does not require building

1583
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,040
permits. So that's how we we would defer

1584
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,040
to that in that case.

1585
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,360
>> All right.

1586
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,240
But and then this is like structural

1587
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,080
alteration

1588
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,200
as well. So if like we decided to put a

1589
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,640
door in

1590
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,640
a downtown or somebody did a downtown

1591
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,360
building that's a structural

1592
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,080
>> Right.

1593
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,840
>> You know, so does that mean they have to

1594
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,560
add 25% of something else if it's a

1595
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,760
whole brick building or change the

1596
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,720
roofline if it's longer than 50 ft. I

1597
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:53,640
mean it's just

1598
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,080
>> Altering a door wouldn't take more than

1599
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,960
25% of the

1600
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,320
facade exterior.

1601
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,440
So it it would it would be a significant

1602
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,080
enough renovation they'd be coming in

1603
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,240
for building permits.

1604
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,680
>> Well, I mean I put some doors in

1605
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:09,960
buildings and you have to have an

1606
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,720
engineer and the city has to look at it

1607
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,840
cuz you have to you know, put in beam or

1608
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,280
the header for the load and you know,

1609
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,840
lintels for brick and that does require

1610
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,800
a permit. I I'm not trying to nitpick

1611
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:21,640
because I

1612
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,440
think you're more than fair and you guys

1613
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,680
do a great job, but

1614
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,600
I don't know when you're planning on

1615
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,120
retiring we might get somebody in here

1616
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,560
that just reads it for what it is, you

1617
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,640
know? And that that's the kind of thing

1618
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:33,480
that worries me is down the road.

1619
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:33,960
>> Yeah.

1620
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:34,280
>> And then

1621
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,320
>> Well,

1622
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,600
you know, it's not it's not perfect.

1623
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:37,840
There's going to be exceptions and

1624
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,600
outliers to everything and every code

1625
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,640
that we propose.

1626
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:41,000
>> Yeah.

1627
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,280
>> The the question you have to ask is if

1628
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,400
you don't like the 75%

1629
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,720
limitation,

1630
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,000
remove it.

1631
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,160
>> Yeah, but I see we don't want like a all

1632
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,040
white stucco front.

1633
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,760
So, I appreciate the the last part of it, too, where

1634
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,640
people can

1635
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,760
come and ask for ask like, "Hey, this is

1636
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,200
what's going on. Let's be realistic."

1637
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:02,640
And

1638
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,680
>> Yeah, and that's that's one of the

1639
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,360
reasons I put it put that in there is

1640
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,680
because there are going to be

1641
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,560
outliers to the standard requirements

1642
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,080
and

1643
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:13,520
things that just don't have the same

1644
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,840
application. And so, that's that's why

1645
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,430
that's in there.

1646
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:21,960
» Let Commissioner Anderson finish his

1647
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:22,400
thought.

1648
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,360
>> I'm sorry.

1649
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,280
>> No, I'm good.

1650
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:25,360
>> You good?

1651
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,360
Okay, Commissioner Lanford.

1652
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,720
>> So,

1653
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,440
one one of the thoughts that comes with

1654
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,840
the the 75% of one color

1655
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,320
is

1656
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,040
and and this is an overlap between

1657
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,520
general arts with photography, film,

1658
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,320
cinema, etc. And it overlaps into

1659
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,800
architectural, as well.

1660
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,840
If you go out and buy yourself a nice

1661
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,960
camera or even if you have the little

1662
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,280
grid system on your phone,

1663
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,840
the rule of thumb is for to get the item

1664
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,480
that you're wanting, it needs to be

1665
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,920
zoomed in enough to connect three dots

1666
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,840
in order for it to take

1667
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,240
the the app for the picture to actually

1668
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,160
be what you want it to be.

1669
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,280
Um

1670
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,360
three out of the four is 75%. That's

1671
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,960
something that I've noticed it overlaps

1672
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,280
a lot.

1673
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:11,840
Um

1674
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,840
realistically, the way that this is

1675
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,880
written,

1676
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,120
yes, IKEA could come out.

1677
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,960
Costco could come out. Costco has

1678
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,880
multiple different panels. They have the red there and then they have the

1679
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,692
bottom half which it would from

1680
01:01:27,692 --> 01:01:29,600
[clears throat] what I've seen those

1681
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,400
businesses do, I don't see any conflict

1682
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,160
of that that would deter them away.

1683
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,360
Where they would be read this and be

1684
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,120
like, oh, we can't come to Tooele.

1685
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:45,320
And I mean even Best Buy Target, these are all places that

1686
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,200
historically from from an arts

1687
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:48,960
perspective

1688
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,240
still abide by 75%.

1689
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,600
The only thought that I would have

1690
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,320
to to maybe clarify this further

1691
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,880
would be of a visible side. I mean

1692
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,520
pretty much every building I've ever

1693
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,720
seen has at least one bland wall. It's

1694
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,560
typically the least visible from public.

1695
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,160
Where where you're bringing up, you

1696
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,000
know, the flooring where

1697
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,320
the one side that's not the front of the

1698
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:22,160
building doesn't look so great. Okay. I would agree that maybe defining that a

1699
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,280
little bit better in this area for

1700
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,000
exterior building materials identifying

1701
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,800
the what is visible from public and

1702
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,840
what's really not. If it's backed up

1703
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,040
against the mountain, probably not a big

1704
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,080
deal.

1705
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,600
That would be the only clarification

1706
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:40,160
that I would ask to be added

1707
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,120
is just defining cuz to say that

1708
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,520
75% all the way around, well, every

1709
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,560
building has an ugly side in my opinion.

1710
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:52,310
So.

1711
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,440
» Got you.

1712
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:54,480
Makes sense.

1713
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,560
>> Not not so much a question, but more of just a

1714
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,200
clarifying or my thoughts on this.

1715
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,040
The the question I did have though is is

1716
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,600
a

1717
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,360
few meetings back

1718
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,040
when we were doing the

1719
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,880
auto repair the I think it's Awesome

1720
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,880
Auto Repair on 400 North

1721
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,240
and Main.

1722
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,520
So that was in a commercial area,

1723
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:19,960
but there was residential in the

1724
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,560
commercial area.

1725
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,360
So my question is do we have any

1726
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,600
um

1727
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:26,720
commercial buildings that are in

1728
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,360
residential areas?

1729
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,720
And the reason I would ask is it's it's

1730
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,120
not

1731
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,040
residential commercial buildings in

1732
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,520
residential isn't itemized in in your

1733
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,440
different categories of areas. And so

1734
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,120
where that was a situation where we had

1735
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,400
residential buildings inside a

1736
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,520
commercial zone, my only question is are

1737
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,520
there any commercial buildings that I

1738
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,600
could not be aware of that are in

1739
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,000
residential zones that could be pretty

1740
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,040
much exempt from this because it's not

1741
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,840
listed.

1742
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,034
>> I'm not going to say there's not.

1743
01:03:57,034 --> 01:03:57,320
>> [laughter]

1744
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,920
>> There This is Tooele.

1745
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:00,920
>> That's why I bring it up.

1746
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,760
>> There are all kinds of oddities and

1747
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,280
little strange things in Tooele. So I'm

1748
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,040
not going to say there's not.

1749
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,440
What I am going to say is I'm not

1750
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,160
concerned about those cuz if there are

1751
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,000
commercial businesses in residential

1752
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,200
zones,

1753
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,760
they fall under a different category.

1754
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,080
They fall under what we call legally

1755
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,240
non-conforming uses.

1756
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,120
They fall under an entirely entirely

1757
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:20,600
different They mean they are differently

1758
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,080
regulated than a standard use. So

1759
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,160
I don't have much concern about that

1760
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,600
situation if there are any.

1761
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,400
>> So even those areas if they wanted to

1762
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,600
renovate or do something different, they

1763
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,880
would go through a completely different

1764
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,800
process that would be non-conforming

1765
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,040
still to this, correct?

1766
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,480
>> They would be subject to Tooele City

1767
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,200
Code 7-3 non-conforming uses, which

1768
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,320
permits them to maintain it,

1769
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,080
but a non-conforming use cannot be

1770
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,400
changed or altered.

1771
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,640
So it's it's Yeah, they they have a

1772
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,680
different set of criteria on them. And

1773
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,120
I'm sure there's some situation where

1774
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,320
that exists in the city, but

1775
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,640
I I'm not concerned with that.

1776
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:00,920
>> Typically

1777
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,160
those are going to be zoned residential

1778
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,920
anyway, not zoned what we have in this

1779
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,560
one. So

1780
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,430
>> That That's a good point.

1781
01:05:08,430 --> 01:05:09,640
>> [clears throat]

1782
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,440
>> Great great discussion.

1783
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,720
Anything else we can see we need to

1784
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,440
adjust or

1785
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,640
>> I have maybe just one more comment. I I

1786
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,520
just have a really hard time I

1787
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,000
understand the idea behind it, but I

1788
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,200
have a hard time telling people what

1789
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,400
they can and can't do with their

1790
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,480
building, you know? Somebody's trying to

1791
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,400
start up a business and

1792
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,760
they have a vision of how it could look,

1793
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,480
should look. And I know our business, I

1794
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,000
would not be able to do what we did if

1795
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,560
this was in

1796
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,000
>> I I disagree with you. I think you could

1797
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,160
have been I think you'll be able

1798
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,560
>> all four sides is just heart exciting

1799
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,400
cuz that's what how we want to do it.

1800
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,760
>> significance, that's what I'd really

1801
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:47,240
like to see.

1802
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,360
>> brand new building, though.

1803
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,440
And I'm not in the downtown area.

1804
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,640
>> Mhm, that's the other problem. You're

1805
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,120
not in the overlay, either.

1806
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,320
>> So

1807
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,600
I mean, there's a chance I could, but

1808
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:59,560
I don't know. I just I'm [clears throat]

1809
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,640
having a hard time with it for

1810
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,760
personal, subjective reasons.

1811
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,840
So, I understand the idea behind it,

1812
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,510
though.

1813
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,320
» And I'll jump on that bandwagon because

1814
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,120
you know, if I wanted to live in an HOA

1815
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,480
and be told how to how my house and my

1816
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,640
front yard would look

1817
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,160
I would have bought there.

1818
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,480
And this is kind of that same thing

1819
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,000
but the city's doing it.

1820
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:27,480
>> Yeah.

1821
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,790
>> So

1822
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,760
I I get the purpose and the reason

1823
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,480
because we really should be setting up

1824
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,680
citizens to be good neighbors.

1825
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:38,160
>> Yeah.

1826
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:42,840
>> Um without really penalizing them

1827
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,016
in the process.

1828
01:06:46,026 --> 01:06:47,480
» [sighs]

1829
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,080
>> Commissioner Lynch for

1830
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,840
>> So, a little bit ago when we were doing

1831
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,960
that water usage

1832
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,880
we just put a year date on it to say if

1833
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,560
it was before this grandfathered in

1834
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,320
whether it's

1835
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,080
or if it's after that, it needs to be

1836
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,360
conforming.

1837
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:08,670
You remember that for uh, park strips.

1838
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,000
Rather than

1839
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,360
exempting just the the the overlay,

1840
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,520
could could you just

1841
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:19,680
is there realistically a a year date of building structure that could be

1842
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:20,840
exempt from this that could be

1843
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,720
satisfactory to everyone?

1844
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,000
Cuz I mean, if that's the only concern

1845
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,440
is that there there are older buildings

1846
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,840
that aren't in that exempt area, well,

1847
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,240
then

1848
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,000
put a date on it. Anything

1849
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,760
pre-2007,

1850
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,400
anything pre-2010,

1851
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,120
anything moving forward

1852
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,560
be because I I I hear both sides of it.

1853
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:43,960
There are there are buildings that we

1854
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,120
want to keep the way they are. They they

1855
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,160
may they've given the city the character

1856
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,680
and history that they have, and they're

1857
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,520
they may not be exactly conforming to

1858
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,080
the standard, but I also understand the

1859
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,080
city's perspective where

1860
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,240
we we as we continue to grow because we

1861
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,640
are growing

1862
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,720
at a good healthy rate, we we want to

1863
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,600
still be a place that is nice while

1864
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,320
holding our heritage. So, is there a way

1865
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,000
to to accomplish that from staff's

1866
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,280
perspective where from a certain time

1867
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:18,040
frame back is exempt and not just

1868
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:23,789
a specific geographical area?

1869
01:08:23,799 --> 01:08:25,319
» Just be dated as of

1870
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:27,600
this date of the ordinance goes into

1871
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:28,960
effect.

1872
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:29,480
Anything

1873
01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:30,480
>> Yeah, effective date.

1874
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:33,839
>> Anything after that.

1875
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:36,040
>> Because then if you go back to

1876
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:37,600
make a change to your coffee shop,

1877
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,279
you're not worried about every little

1878
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,160
thing in this. If you go to even just

1879
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,040
because it's outside of the overlay.

1880
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:44,279
>> Yeah.

1881
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:46,600
>> So, I'm if it's if it's pre-dated, then

1882
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,520
does it

1883
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,400
really matter

1884
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,319
per se?

1885
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:54,640
I I don't know. That's I I know you have

1886
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,520
in in here when you're defining this

1887
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,560
that you are including

1888
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,190
um

1889
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,000
uh

1890
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,400
not that that it's for major renovations

1891
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,000
as well or or any structural alteration

1892
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,839
and expansion. I I know you've included

1893
01:09:12,839 --> 01:09:14,799
that, but

1894
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:18,560
to me it almost seems like that is

1895
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,560
where a lot of these hiccups are coming

1896
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,799
from. Whereas if we just

1897
01:09:23,799 --> 01:09:26,480
either pull that back or turn around and

1898
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:28,279
say

1899
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:32,910
after this date.

1900
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,880
That's it would would staff have a

1901
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,319
problem with that? Would that completely

1902
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:38,720
ruin your proposal, I guess, would be my

1903
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,279
question.

1904
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:43,040
Cuz in my head that might satisfy a lot

1905
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,680
of the questions better being asked by

1906
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,440
the commission right now.

1907
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:49,400
But I also want to make sure that

1908
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:50,960
it doesn't feel like we're tearing your

1909
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,480
proposal to bits, either.

1910
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:55,000
I know how much hard work you put into

1911
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:56,120
this and I appreciate it.

1912
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:57,320
>> Well, ultimately it comes down to you

1913
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:58,720
guys and the city council. What do you

1914
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:05,138
want?

1915
01:10:05,148 --> 01:10:07,470
» [snorts]

1916
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:08,280
» What what are you guys

1917
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:09,640
>> It's easy to see the negatives of

1918
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,600
everything for me. It's hard to come up

1919
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,800
with the actual solutions, you know? And

1920
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,440
you're all like that. [laughter] I mean

1921
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:16,760
>> Maybe we don't have architectural

1922
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,040
standards. If that's the case,

1923
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,560
let's forward a negative recommendation

1924
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,760
to the council.

1925
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,560
>> Well, I think it's a good idea to have

1926
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,600
them. I just

1927
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:27,520
You know.

1928
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:28,920
I'm just kind of on the fence about it I

1929
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,240
cuz I see both sides.

1930
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,240
>> It's, you know, I've not planned on

1931
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:33,760
building any brand new big buildings

1932
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:34,623
myself.

1933
01:10:34,623 --> 01:10:35,000
>> [laughter]

1934
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,200
>> So, you know, and that not just this is

1935
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,080
going to affect me, but

1936
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,320
you know, I

1937
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,520
>> Well, and I think what has been done

1938
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,280
really well is there is a fall back to

1939
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:44,880
this.

1940
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,040
>> Yeah.

1941
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,760
>> There is always the if you're going to

1942
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:49,760
have to do this, you're going to end up

1943
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,160
putting an application in anyways, you

1944
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:52,560
might as well put the appeal in with it.

1945
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,120
>> Yeah.

1946
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,960
>> Put it all in one packet, send it up,

1947
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,080
and have the conversation. Hey,

1948
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,000
Best Buy's coming out, it's neon yellow.

1949
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,400
I understand you allow corporate

1950
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,280
branding, but is that is that okay? For

1951
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,880
the record, I do not know that Best

1952
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,280
Buy's coming out. I'm not starting that

1953
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,600
rumor. But, for the sake of argument,

1954
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,440
yes, it's a neon color.

1955
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:15,920
Put it before Put it before staff.

1956
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:16,760
>> Yeah.

1957
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,760
>> Uh from from my interpretation, what

1958
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,760
I've seen both from the public and from

1959
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,640
this commission, is that when it comes

1960
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,400
to

1961
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,320
working with the public, staff is

1962
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:28,400
reasonable.

1963
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:28,840
>> Yes.

1964
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,480
>> So, I don't I don't see why having that

1965
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,320
appeal as a scapegoat

1966
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:36,760
wouldn't satisfy a lot of these

1967
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,640
questions, as well.

1968
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:39,000
>> Yeah.

1969
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,840
>> That's just my two cents, as well,

1970
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,520
because again, if it goes past If you

1971
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,840
want to do more than 75%, great. Put it

1972
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,150
before staff.

1973
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,200
Going to go round robin, either way.

1974
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,150
>> Yeah, I just

1975
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:55,920
So, my notes I've put down here is is

1976
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,760
maybe it is a good option to maybe table

1977
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,920
this for Andrew to take it back and and

1978
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,640
redefine some things for us. We've got

1979
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,040
the exception for maybe a downtown

1980
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,120
overlay.

1981
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,880
Uh the drive-thru screen or obscure or

1982
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,400
that wordage that verbage uh maybe

1983
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,960
changed a little bit. Is 75% too much? I

1984
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,880
don't know. That's

1985
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,080
as you said, it's from Riverton. So, is

1986
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:18,760
that too much for us? Is that too

1987
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,760
little? I don't know that, either. Uh

1988
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,280
division Define the visual sides of the

1989
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:24,600
building.

1990
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,760
Uh and then as of date when this goat

1991
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,320
gets approved. So, I He's got a couple

1992
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:29,920
things that we want to see addressed

1993
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,400
before we approve it. So, is there

1994
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,000
anything else we can think of?

1995
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,000
>> Well, with with um

1996
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,800
with the percentages, do we need to come

1997
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,640
up with something different? Or cuz I

1998
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,440
don't think we've given him much to talk

1999
01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:42,840
about.

2000
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,520
>> he would love a recommendation.

2001
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,880
>> 75, but we're okay with 76 or 72.

2002
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:52,480
>> Yeah. And and I'm I I thought I agree with Andrew.

2003
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:55,520
I trust that he said several times that

2004
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,040
neon colors it says in here you can have

2005
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:02,320
a little bit. Um, he talked about um

2006
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,720
Well, I think uh Commissioner

2007
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:05,760
uh Proc-

2008
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,080
Proctor, right?

2009
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:08,960
Getting a blank.

2010
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:09,440
>> Whatever.

2011
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:12,480
>> Um, said um that

2012
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:14,520
um, it already says in there that if

2013
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,120
it's your branding that you can I mean,

2014
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,880
we referenced that already. So, I think

2015
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,200
we've talked about a lot of those

2016
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:25,640
things. I'm not I don't think we've decided anything on the 75%. I

2017
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,480
mean, and for him to just go back and

2018
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:29,680
W- what?

2019
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,000
>> Throw a number number is allowed for

2020
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:31,360
this project.

2021
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:32,840
>> Throw a different number back and bring

2022
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,120
it back and then we don't like that

2023
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:35,480
number either. Like, I don't think we've

2024
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:37,840
given him much to work with.

2025
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,040
>> On that particular item, I agree.

2026
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,320
>> Perhaps you just eliminate this

2027
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,840
eliminate the 75%

2028
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,560
and maintain the numbers.

2029
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,840
Like the two different material types.

2030
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,040
>> or the three or five, you know.

2031
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,600
>> It's like elimination and all that

2032
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:52,080
stuff.

2033
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,200
>> Yeah.

2034
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,880
So, uh in there it says the roof doesn't

2035
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,720
count as uh color or a product, right?

2036
01:13:58,720 --> 01:13:59,840
But, I'm just thinking again

2037
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,080
subjectively my project I got one

2038
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,760
south-facing wall that's all brick, you

2039
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,560
know. That's all it is is brick and

2040
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,320
windows and doors. And so, there's no

2041
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,080
other product until you get to the

2042
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,320
soffit and fascia. Would that count?

2043
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:14,760
>> You're broken up by windows and doors at

2044
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:15,720
that point, aren't you?

2045
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,480
>> No, windows don't count. It says right

2046
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:20,591
in here.

2047
01:14:20,601 --> 01:14:21,160
» [cough]

2048
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:21,800
>> So, [clears throat]

2049
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,360
I I like a building

2050
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:24,800
>> Are there lintels under the wall under

2051
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:25,640
the windows?

2052
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,480
>> Yes, there are. So, that would count.

2053
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:30,960
>> two materials. Okay. All right.

2054
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,160
>> And not that I think you would be that

2055
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,480
nitpicky about it. And maybe I shouldn't

2056
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,800
say this in a public hearing, but your

2057
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,520
predecessor like I think he would go

2058
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,120
through We didn't get along.

2059
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,760
And I think he would go through things

2060
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,960
with not just building, but I do a lot

2061
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,560
of other things with the city and I

2062
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,560
it felt to me like he would purposely

2063
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,760
pick things out just like and almost

2064
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,480
kind of twist it. And I don't think he

2065
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,000
would do that, Andrew, but I don't know

2066
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,240
who the next person's going to be and

2067
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,560
that worries me because uh caused a lot

2068
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,120
of strife in my life for several years.

2069
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,990
So, it worries me.

2070
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,640
And I said, I don't worry about you.

2071
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:11,680
It's

2072
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,480
the unattended things later on down the

2073
01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:13,960
line.

2074
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,600
>> Does this need a public

2075
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,040
>> This one does need a public hearing,

2076
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,920
yes.

2077
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:20,040
>> Should we uh

2078
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,520
open the public hearing while we gather

2079
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,080
our thoughts and then bring it back for

2080
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,840
Andrew again and let him sit down and

2081
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,440
ponder some thoughts as well? I'm sure

2082
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:30,032
this public hearing public hearing.

2083
01:15:30,032 --> 01:15:31,160
>> [laughter]

2084
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:32,640
>> All right. We'll go ahead and open the

2085
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,920
public hearing on this particular item

2086
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,840
at this time at the uniform zoning code

2087
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,200
of Tooele City.

2088
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,840
Uh if you'd like to speak to this item,

2089
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,840
please approach the podium. State your

2090
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,320
name for the record. Write your name for

2091
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:53,190
the record.

2092
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:54,840
» My name is Dave Staple. I didn't come

2093
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,920
here, but I stayed and listened to this.

2094
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,720
Uh

2095
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,440
builder developer

2096
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,640
Um we're actually doing the Tooele Flex

2097
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,200
Plex.

2098
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:06,920
Uh

2099
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,440
sometimes I noticed it's in the L1.

2100
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:15,070
Sometimes in those industrial areas

2101
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,320
to be able to have your building

2102
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,600
work financially

2103
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,880
it's metal.

2104
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,160
And in those zones, there's already so

2105
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,040
much of that that it's

2106
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,680
you know, it'd be kind of weird to throw

2107
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,200
something where we had all of a sudden

2108
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,400
have this architectural

2109
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:41,280
standard in the middle of uh

2110
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,880
metal buildings. But, I also understand

2111
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,680
they're on a metal building in the

2112
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,280
middle of an area where there's there is

2113
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:51,760
where it probably should have some

2114
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,080
facade and be pretty.

2115
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:55,520
So,

2116
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:56,720
I guess [clears throat] my thought on it

2117
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,280
would be

2118
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,200
taking more of a look at

2119
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,280
what zones uh,

2120
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,600
those

2121
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,200
uh,

2122
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,600
standards lay in.

2123
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,160
Cuz it's not If you're down in the

2124
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:13,680
depot,

2125
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,760
and you force somebody to throw

2126
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,120
columns and arches and all kinds of

2127
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:19,520
stuff on that, it's going to look out of

2128
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,560
place and and also just be

2129
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,080
not

2130
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,560
doesn't fit in with what's already

2131
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,480
there. So, thanks for your time.

2132
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:29,000
>> No, thank you, Mr. Staple. I appreciate

2133
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,120
that.

2134
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,400
>> Need a signature.

2135
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:44,950
>> Do we have one up there?

2136
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,560
» Okay, seeing no one else approach, I'll

2137
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,400
go ahead and close this public hearing

2138
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,760
and bring it back to the commission

2139
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,600
for further discussion or action. As we

2140
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,920
said, we've stated a few things.

2141
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,360
Uh, my suggestion would more or less be

2142
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,240
giving Andrew some direction to go. If

2143
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,440
not, then either denying or approving

2144
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,924
this moving forward. So,

2145
01:18:05,924 --> 01:18:06,720
>> [clears throat]

2146
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:08,280
>> we gather our thoughts and figure out

2147
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,040
what we want to do.

2148
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:11,120
>> I will make a motion.

2149
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,240
>> Yes, go ahead, Commissioner Langford.

2150
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,760
>> I must say I really enjoy the catch all

2151
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,880
at the end there. Um, I move

2152
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,680
we push a for uh, push forward a

2153
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,520
positive recommendation to city council

2154
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,280
to adopt the proposed

2155
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,080
Tooele City Code Title 7 Chapter 11C

2156
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,960
Design Standards for Commercial

2157
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,960
Ordinance as included in Exhibit A of

2158
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,560
this report based on the following

2159
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,440
findings. Uh,

2160
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:37,920
changing the verbage of screen as a

2161
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,760
recommendation and then defining the

2162
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,960
sides as a recommendation.

2163
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,320
Um ultimately, I think those are the

2164
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,880
only two things really in huge question.

2165
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,880
I think anything else falls under that

2166
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,350
um appeal process.

2167
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,520
» Okay, I've got a positive recommendation

2168
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,520
with from Commissioner Linford including

2169
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,120
the verbage change of screen and to

2170
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,480
define the the sides of the building.

2171
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:08,030
Uh do I have a second?

2172
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,000
» I'll second.

2173
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,320
>> And a second from Commissioner Hammer.

2174
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,000
Any discussion before we take this to a

2175
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:14,760
vote?

2176
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,480
>> Actually, yes. I want to go back to

2177
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:20,480
um his comment regarding metal buildings

2178
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:24,600
making it pencil and making it work. Um

2179
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,640
is this actually going to affect that

2180
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,670
zone?

2181
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:32,720
» Well, that that brings up

2182
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,800
>> And maybe there's an opportunity since

2183
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,400
we're talking about it. I'm sorry, Mr.

2184
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:36,800
Chairman.

2185
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:37,760
>> ahead, brother.

2186
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,760
>> Uh let's use Peterson as an example and

2187
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,520
maybe there's an opportunity there to

2188
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,600
uh tie this to public right-of-way

2189
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,160
vision.

2190
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,800
Um so that anybody driving up 112 is

2191
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,080
seeing

2192
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,640
kind of what we're talking about here.

2193
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,240
They can still do a lot of the things we

2194
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,040
don't want to. But once they're off of

2195
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,160
the public right-of-way, which in most

2196
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,760
cases that's all private um

2197
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,360
in that zone for the most part, they're

2198
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:05,920
a little further to do some of the

2199
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:06,960
things

2200
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:08,200
um

2201
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,840
that might make that project pencil

2202
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:10,920
better.

2203
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,520
But cuz that's I don't have a problem

2204
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,480
with the motion other than

2205
01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:16,560
I

2206
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,120
back to Kelly's original Commissioner

2207
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,440
Anderson's original point, I really like

2208
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:21,960
the

2209
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,760
this is American, we get to build what

2210
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,240
we want to build within certain

2211
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:27,000
uh

2212
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:28,560
obvious standards. Well, we've obviously

2213
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,080
proved tonight that there are no obvious

2214
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,320
standards. But I But I like where

2215
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,520
some of these things went regarding the

2216
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,520
public right-of-way and and how it

2217
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:38,840
looks. And, that's really what got this

2218
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:41,280
started. Uh was how it looks in the

2219
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,200
gateway when we come over that viaduct.

2220
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,840
And, and uh I agree with Andrew, that

2221
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,480
building is a very nice building. It

2222
01:20:47,480 --> 01:20:49,920
looks absolutely hideous right there.

2223
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,480
Uh because of the way it was done. And,

2224
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:53,720
uh that could have been corrected, I

2225
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,760
think.

2226
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,320
Economics is relative when it's somebody

2227
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,520
else's money. But, uh but, I think

2228
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,640
something could have been done. But, the gentleman's comment regarding

2229
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:03,880
how some of these businesses need to

2230
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:06,280
pencil um needs to be taken into

2231
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,920
account, too. And, so maybe maybe the

2232
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,320
answer to that is is eliminating it in

2233
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,600
industrial zones, for example. And, I I

2234
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:14,720
haven't thought that through, but that's

2235
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,600
the thing that jumps out at me.

2236
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,720
Um is get rid of it in the industrial

2237
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,240
zones. Maybe you leave it in light

2238
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:21,640
industrial cuz we got a whole bunch of

2239
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,880
gateway property out there that that

2240
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,040
probably fits under that. But, if at the

2241
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:27,080
end of the day we're wanting our

2242
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:28,200
gateways, and they're mentioned

2243
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,400
specifically in the ordinance, to look

2244
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:31,800
good, then we do need to do something

2245
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,600
there. I think balancing between uh

2246
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,680
private property rights and the look of

2247
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,560
the businesses have spent

2248
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,040
uh generally a lot of money trying to

2249
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:41,200
figure out what's the best way to look.

2250
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:42,600
And, we'll use the examples that have

2251
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,200
been given tonight, whether it's a a

2252
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,120
Costco or

2253
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:47,840
IKEA or whatever.

2254
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,840
Uh they've got millions and millions and

2255
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:51,280
millions of dollars tied up in brand

2256
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,400
identity. I don't want them to have to

2257
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:54,880
appeal.

2258
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,280
Uh I want them to come to town.

2259
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,320
Um because they're going to be in a

2260
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,280
prominent place. They're going to be in

2261
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,120
the gateway, which the gateway keeps

2262
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,440
moving north.

2263
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:06,760
Um and so that may solve its own problem

2264
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,680
down the road. But, but, I think uh

2265
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,280
maybe if I were And, I'm I'm not

2266
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:13,840
necessarily talking against the motion,

2267
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,440
although maybe I am.

2268
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:16,640
Um

2269
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,720
I think that part of it and the intent

2270
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,920
of what got us here needs to be looked

2271
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:25,400
at a little bit more. And, it's not about 75% or any of that other

2272
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,040
stuff. I think we need to

2273
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:28,880
give him some guidance

2274
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:30,720
on on some of the things that concerned

2275
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:31,880
us cuz

2276
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,080
I don't like having an applicant have to

2277
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:35,160
come in here

2278
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,240
and and by the way, I'm submitting this

2279
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,480
application. Here's another $2,000 check

2280
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:40,840
for the appeal cuz I know you're not

2281
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,240
going to let me do it.

2282
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,040
Uh I want to find a way to say yes to

2283
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,440
most of these people not no.

2284
01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:48,480
And and I think we're close.

2285
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:49,800
Yeah, the work that's been done's

2286
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,080
awesome. Uh I don't think we can make it

2287
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:53,480
perfect, but I think we can make it

2288
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:55,400
perfecter.

2289
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,720
>> Well, and and what we're really doing

2290
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,720
here is proposing putting makeup on the

2291
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:00,560
city.

2292
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:00,760
>> Mhm.

2293
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:01,960
>> And

2294
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,200
every woman knows that makeup daytime

2295
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:05,680
makeup is different than nighttime

2296
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,240
makeup, right?

2297
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:07,840
>> I didn't know that.

2298
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:08,537
>> So, does it

2299
01:23:08,537 --> 01:23:08,920
>> [laughter]

2300
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,240
>> does it go does it go well in the

2301
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,160
industrial zone?

2302
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:15,600
>> What do you wear in the industrial zone?

2303
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,000
>> My thought before we oh, is that this is

2304
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,880
all brand new

2305
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,680
and just like

2306
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,360
Andrew brings back to his ordinances

2307
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,320
that need to be tweaked as they find out

2308
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,200
this one is going to have to be tweaked

2309
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,800
down the road as we find out what works

2310
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,240
and what does

2311
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,920
work realistically.

2312
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,280
So.

2313
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:44,720
>> But historically once you put something in

2314
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,120
code, when is the next time that code is

2315
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,520
looked at? And when is it actually

2316
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,080
brought back to tweak it?

2317
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,600
Um

2318
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,440
Oh, we've done this we've done it this

2319
01:23:56,440 --> 01:23:59,160
way for 10 years, 15 years. It doesn't

2320
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:00,520
need to be fixed.

2321
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,840
>> pretty codes go back to 2006, I think.

2322
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,640
>> Yeah, exactly. And I think it

2323
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,600
back to that makeup, it might be time to

2324
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,470
change that.

2325
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:13,880
» Commissioner Leffert?

2326
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,870
>> Um question for staff.

2327
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,400
With branding as mentioned

2328
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,200
where they have spent millions on in

2329
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,840
millions on branding.

2330
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,520
IKEA being a big blue building with

2331
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,360
bright yellow letters.

2332
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:29,600
Would that be a

2333
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,080
something that would actually need to be

2334
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,600
appealed when it falls under the

2335
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,920
branding category as a

2336
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,680
um or or would that branding verbage

2337
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,760
that you put in there

2338
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,320
be enough of a gateway for that?

2339
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,760
Just to

2340
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:48,600
and I hate to beat a dead horse, but I

2341
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,040
really just want to clarify cuz I think

2342
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:51,560
that that would be a

2343
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:52,640
I I

2344
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:56,800
the way I read that area with um

2345
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,000
11 C4

2346
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,520
I would imagine that because it is their

2347
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,120
brand

2348
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,200
big blue building, bright yellow. That

2349
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,000
is their brand.

2350
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,080
That would fall under that and it would

2351
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,560
be something that wouldn't actually need

2352
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,960
to be a an appeal because it is their

2353
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:15,080
brand.

2354
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,800
Am Am I reading that the way that you

2355
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:21,520
intended it in in to be written or

2356
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,080
am I seeing something that's not quite

2357
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:23,960
there?

2358
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,040
>> Big yellow building, probably have to be

2359
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:27,000
appealed.

2360
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,680
>> The IKEA being big and blue and then it

2361
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,560
has the yellow IKEA on it. I mean

2362
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,080
realistically they have I believe the

2363
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:36,760
one in Draper is mostly blue, has a

2364
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:38,440
little bit of tan and then big yellow

2365
01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:41,080
IKEA on it. Is that something because

2366
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,280
that would actually be

2367
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,640
that would need to be appealable because

2368
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,520
I don't even believe that that would

2369
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,480
exceed the 75% because they have the tan

2370
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:52,800
that goes about 7 ft up before the blue.

2371
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:53,560
So

2372
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:54,800
>> I'm not familiar with what their

2373
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,520
buildings look like, so I can't really

2374
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,000
address that with FC either.

2375
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:04,430
>> Fair.

2376
01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:05,760
» Do we want to add a condition in there

2377
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,240
about the rights of way

2378
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:09,640
or not the rights of way, the public

2379
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,480
rights of way, what we're viewing

2380
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:14,560
or do we want to continue with this

2381
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:20,230
motion?

2382
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,040
» This is if I'm going to understand this

2383
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:23,680
is a recommendation on the correct.

2384
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:24,320
>> Mhm.

2385
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:24,680
>> Yes.

2386
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:25,920
>> Um

2387
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:27,440
you've got a motion on the table that we

2388
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:28,600
can vote on.

2389
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:29,480
>> Yep.

2390
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:31,800
>> We've got a city councilman in the room.

2391
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:32,840
Um

2392
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,480
and we've got time.

2393
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:37,550
Uh

2394
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:38,720
» Let it fly.

2395
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:39,449
>> Yeah.

2396
01:26:39,449 --> 01:26:39,840
>> [laughter]

2397
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,560
>> Any other discussion before we

2398
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,280
>> They can

2399
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,200
city council can take it and then send

2400
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,920
it back and meet all these changes.

2401
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:49,400
>> And I can see

2402
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,200
the same kind of a discussion coming up

2403
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:52,520
there.

2404
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:53,760
When it when it comes on, but at least

2405
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,200
we'll have well your input of what

2406
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:56,080
you've talked about.

2407
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:57,360
>> It'll be a lot more fun cuz I'm going to

2408
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:58,280
be sitting over there and saying

2409
01:26:58,280 --> 01:26:59,100
>> Yeah.

2410
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:01,510
>> [laughter]

2411
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,200
» But anyway, either way, either way I I

2412
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,480
can see that there needs to be

2413
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,120
more decisions about it, you know, and

2414
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:09,960
change and I can see some changes that I

2415
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:11,480
agree with. You know, one one thing that

2416
01:27:11,480 --> 01:27:12,560
I was thinking about as Weston was

2417
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,960
talking about the older buildings when you change them

2418
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:17,000
and there's going to be a structural

2419
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,520
change and then you got to

2420
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,120
adhere that older building to the new

2421
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,120
code because you're changing it enough

2422
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:24,645
that you need a building permit.

2423
01:27:24,645 --> 01:27:24,840
>> [snorts and clears throat]

2424
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,000
>> I think there'll be some language there

2425
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,800
cuz we have grandfathered stuff in the

2426
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,120
city.

2427
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,800
That could be the language that has to

2428
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,720
be there to cover that. Otherwise, it

2429
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:34,520
gets way complicated for the owner of

2430
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:35,840
the building.

2431
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,080
So I I can see some something there.

2432
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:39,360
That's what I was thinking about when

2433
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,600
you was talking about it anyway.

2434
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,760
Cuz you know, my old buildings that I've

2435
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:44,960
had

2436
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,800
you know, if I had to redo them and do

2437
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,480
it you'd put you out of business to to

2438
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:49,840
change it.

2439
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:51,960
Cuz you couldn't afford it to do what

2440
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:53,720
this change requires in your building if

2441
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,440
you had to get a building permit and

2442
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:57,280
then upgrade the building to meet the

2443
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:58,880
new standard.

2444
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,240
So

2445
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:01,800
there's that's that's just one of the

2446
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,920
things I can see that's a problem.

2447
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,880
I googled what blue and yellow was

2448
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,800
though to see what IKEA looked like cuz

2449
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,560
I couldn't remember either, but it's

2450
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:10,680
bright blue.

2451
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:11,151
>> Yeah.

2452
01:28:11,151 --> 01:28:12,120
>> [laughter]

2453
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,600
>> So there is that too. If we we do want

2454
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,680
big businesses like that to come but

2455
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,800
this would not allow that without the

2456
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:22,920
appeal. So there's a lot to talk about still I

2457
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:24,480
think whether you guys table it or

2458
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,720
whether we have a big discussion too and

2459
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,960
probably end up tabling it. I can just

2460
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,840
see that happening for now and with lots

2461
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,040
of suggestions.

2462
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,680
>> But you know what? I almost would rather

2463
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,920
see them table it than us.

2464
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,560
Cuz they'll get an opportunity to hear

2465
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,720
what we have to say.

2466
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,880
They can accept it, disregard it, that's

2467
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,680
their job, they're elected.

2468
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,240
So I don't necessarily have any

2469
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:52,320
heartburn with them tabling as much as I do with

2470
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,360
us tabling. We're they're asking us for

2471
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:55,840
a recommendation.

2472
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,800
And

2473
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,240
they've been known to not listen to us

2474
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:00,276
before.

2475
01:29:00,276 --> 01:29:01,440
>> [laughter]

2476
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:03,000
>> And when and when Andrew brought this to

2477
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:04,680
us to do this, we said yeah, let's do

2478
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,160
it. Let's figure it out because we do

2479
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:07,520
want

2480
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:09,480
But we was more talking about not the

2481
01:29:09,480 --> 01:29:10,800
whole city.

2482
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,000
More talking about the look of the city

2483
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,520
as people came into town.

2484
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:14,920
>> Mhm.

2485
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,960
>> So there is that part of it too that the

2486
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,720
gateway part of it, the main course

2487
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,120
Western Huron South Main so you're the

2488
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,320
gateway to the south side but I mean

2489
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:25,040
still yet that kind of thing was

2490
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,200
where we talked about the steel

2491
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,280
buildings of Peterson I mean

2492
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:29,880
out back in the back part of Peterson

2493
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,200
they're all

2494
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:32,480
old government buildings or steel

2495
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:33,480
buildings or something they shouldn't

2496
01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:35,880
still be allowed to be there.

2497
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,120
In that same way in my opinion anyway.

2498
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,120
So yeah, anyway, it's two two cents from

2499
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,080
me. Okay.

2500
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:44,480
>> Okay, well are we ready to take this to

2501
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:45,320
a roll call vote then?

2502
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,520
>> Well, one second.

2503
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,520
Commissioner Rutherford entertained the

2504
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,200
idea of adding um

2505
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,840
public right-of-way into

2506
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:56,720
the two things that he added, screening

2507
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,360
and defining sites.

2508
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,600
>> Would you be okay with changing your motion to

2509
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:03,680
>> to add that?

2510
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,080
>> Yes, I would. I'm just writing it down

2511
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,200
so that I remember the next time this

2512
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,840
gets brought [laughter] back to us. But

2513
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:13,640
I I have I have no problem adding the public right away. I think the

2514
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,600
intent of carrying a motion of of

2515
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:20,240
positive to the to the city council is

2516
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,320
it's going to go before them regardless.

2517
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,240
If they table it,

2518
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:25,680
I mean, they'll probably end up taking

2519
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,160
it back to us a second time at some

2520
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:28,840
point down the road and then we can

2521
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:30,200
revisit what their thoughts on the

2522
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:34,360
matter are as well and not to add more

2523
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,080
cooks to a kitchen, but just to get

2524
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,520
maybe a different perspective than those

2525
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,000
who've been talking about it the last 50

2526
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,640
minutes now.

2527
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:44,920
>> All right, I have a positive

2528
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,880
recommendation from Commissioner Linford

2529
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:49,800
with the corrections to find a different

2530
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:51,600
verbage for the word screen,

2531
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,160
define the sides of a building, and this

2532
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,200
will only apply to the public

2533
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,960
right-of-ways, the gateways as we have

2534
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,520
discussed tonight. Commissioner Hammer,

2535
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,200
are you still good with that second?

2536
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:04,040
>> Yes.

2537
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:05,920
>> Okay. We're going to take this to a

2538
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:07,560
vote. I think we beat this dead horse

2539
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:08,560
enough.

2540
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,040
Commissioner Hammer, how do you vote?

2541
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:10,640
>> I.

2542
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:11,400
>> Commissioner Sloan.

2543
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:12,120
>> No.

2544
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:12,880
>> Commissioner Proctor.

2545
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,000
>> Nay.

2546
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,440
>> Commissioner Linford.

2547
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:16,440
>> I.

2548
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:17,320
>> Commissioner Jensen.

2549
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:17,800
>> No.

2550
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:18,840
>> Commissioner Anderson.

2551
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,120
>> Nay.

2552
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,560
>> I am Chairman Hamilton. I will also vote

2553
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:23,600
no.

2554
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,200
That puts us at seven to five, so that

2555
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:28,560
motion does not pass.

2556
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:29,880
>> We have 12 people on this commission?

2557
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:31,583
>> Yeah. Seven to

2558
01:31:31,583 --> 01:31:32,760
>> [laughter]

2559
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,240
>> Seven to 14. It's getting late, guys.

2560
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:37,600
I'm glad someone can do math around

2561
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:38,520
here. Paul, would you get up here and do

2562
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:39,443
my math for me?

2563
01:31:39,443 --> 01:31:39,880
>> [laughter]

2564
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:41,200
>> Two two to five.

2565
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,480
>> Two to five. Seven total. Thank you. Two

2566
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:46,680
yes, five no's.

2567
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,040
So, that motion does not pass.

2568
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:49,600
>> Mr. Chairman, could I make a motion that

2569
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,760
we table this until

2570
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:53,960
Anders has got a feel for what we're

2571
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:55,000
trying to do here.

2572
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:55,600
>> Absolutely.

2573
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,040
>> want to send a I don't want to send a

2574
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:58,360
message to the council that we're not

2575
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:00,760
behind the we're close. We're really

2576
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:01,800
close.

2577
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,760
And let's give him an opportunity to resurrect the dead horse and then

2578
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:06,680
we'll kill it again.

2579
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,360
>> I now second that.

2580
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,200
>> Do you want it does the next meeting or

2581
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:11,160
when he's ready for it?

2582
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:11,880
>> He's ready.

2583
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,200
>> Andrew,

2584
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,840
we either have to go date certain or

2585
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,560
event certain. Do you want us to just

2586
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,240
tie that to you being comfortable?

2587
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:20,160
>> Do it event certain.

2588
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:21,960
>> Okay. Next is

2589
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:23,200
Okay, I've got a

2590
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:25,240
motion to table this particular item

2591
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,280
from Commissioner Sloan

2592
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:28,840
until

2593
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,040
>> until Andrew's getting ready.

2594
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:31,680
>> Andrew's getting ready and a second from

2595
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,880
Commissioner Proctor. Any discussion on

2596
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,720
that before we take it to a vote?

2597
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:37,800
Commissioner Hammer?

2598
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:38,240
>> I.

2599
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:38,960
>> Commissioner Sloan?

2600
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:39,200
>> I.

2601
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:40,000
>> Commissioner Proctor?

2602
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:40,280
>> I.

2603
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:41,120
>> Commissioner Linford?

2604
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:41,680
>> I.

2605
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:42,720
>> Commissioner Jensen?

2606
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:42,960
>> I.

2607
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:43,800
>> Commissioner Anderson?

2608
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:44,760
>> I.

2609
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:46,360
>> Now, if I'm doing my math right, that's

2610
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:47,280
seven yes.

2611
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,320
>> That's 13 to six, we're good.

2612
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:51,360
>> 13 to six, we're good to go.

2613
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:52,400
>> Did you count yourself?

2614
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:55,000
>> Yes. We'll table this one until Andrew's

2615
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,480
addressed the issues we've discussed

2616
01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,200
tonight and I'm sure he might uncover

2617
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,120
some more.

2618
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:01,560
Moves us on to number seven on our

2619
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:03,280
agenda tonight. This is a decision on a

2620
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:05,080
site plan review approval request by

2621
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,400
Larry Jacobson representing Sand Rock

2622
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:09,200
Development for Millennial Park Phase

2623
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,840
Two Town Home Subdivision. A proposed

2624
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,800
24-unit town home development on

2625
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,040
approximately 1.5 acres located at

2626
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,960
northeast corner of 400 North and 300

2627
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,880
West in the MR-16 multi-family

2628
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:27,910
residential zoning district.

2629
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:30,000
Miss Anglin, when you're ready.

2630
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,040
>> Yes, I just wanted to let everyone know

2631
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,120
that we are having technical issues. You

2632
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,480
guys can't see my presentation, so my

2633
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,600
apologies, okay?

2634
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,240
Um

2635
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,640
This is a request to reapprove the plan

2636
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,800
a Millennial Park Phase Two site plan.

2637
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:49,520
The Planning Commission originally

2638
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,800
approved the project in December 2023,

2639
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,680
but that approval has expired. The

2640
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,240
applicant is requesting reapproval to

2641
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:59,880
allow development of the currently

2642
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:04,590
vacant property.

2643
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,000
The project provides 24 individual

2644
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,840
townhome lots, common landscape

2645
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,600
uh space,

2646
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,200
uh a children's play area, and the

2647
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,760
required parking. One of the primary

2648
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,640
site layout considerations was the close

2649
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,960
proximity of the northern private drive

2650
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:26,200
to Kenwood Drive. The applicant has

2651
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,240
agreed to restrict the connection to

2652
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:32,320
one-way ingress and emergency access

2653
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,510
only.

2654
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,440
So, staff recommends approval. The

2655
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:40,800
proposed development meets or exceeds

2656
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,880
the city's multi-family design

2657
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,200
standards.

2658
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:48,080
Um there were a couple of um

2659
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,360
items that still needed to be

2660
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:53,760
addressed through engineering and public

2661
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:59,800
works, and that is going to also be a condition of approval

2662
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,760
for this project to set those um

2663
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:08,840
comments are met and and um

2664
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:10,920
that would be

2665
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,680
uh the uh

2666
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:14,680
that would be one thing, and then

2667
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:18,350
everyone else

2668
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,280
were uh recommend approval. Staff

2669
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,880
recommendation is approval

2670
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:26,720
subject to the departmental

2671
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:27,320
um

2672
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,480
additional comments.

2673
01:35:29,480 --> 01:35:30,640
Any questions?

2674
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,000
>> This brings back to the commission for

2675
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,560
questions or comments. Yeah, we did see

2676
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,280
this before. We've approved it before.

2677
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:37,280
I'm sure that was a long time ago,

2678
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:38,400
though. We've done a lot of things since

2679
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:39,160
then, so

2680
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,280
>> Seems like we just saw this just

2681
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,240
recently, like 2 months ago.

2682
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:45,960
>> Any questions for staff, comments,

2683
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,910
concerns?

2684
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:50,840
All right, Chair.

2685
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,520
>> Yes, Commissioner Linford.

2686
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:56,040
>> Um for this particular item,

2687
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,040
I would ask for a conflict of interest

2688
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:00,560
as ex parte exclusion for myself from

2689
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,510
the dais.

2690
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,640
» Okay, you're going to abstain then?

2691
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,600
>> Yeah, I'm going to abstain from this

2692
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,430
one.

2693
01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:12,480
» Okay.

2694
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:14,280
Take it to a vote.

2695
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:15,120
>> Need a motion to approve.

2696
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:16,480
>> Yes, need a motion.

2697
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:17,520
>> I'll give you a motion.

2698
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,160
>> All right, Commissioner Proctor.

2699
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,640
>> Here you go.

2700
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,400
I move we approve the site plan design

2701
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,280
review request by Larry Jacobson

2702
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,360
representing Sandrock Development for

2703
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,400
Millennial Park Phase 2 application

2704
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:32,400
number 2025-101

2705
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,040
based on the findings as subject to the

2706
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:35,760
conditions listed in the staff report

2707
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,880
dated June 17th, 2026.

2708
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:39,920
>> Got a motion to approve from

2709
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:40,920
Commissioner Proctor. Do I have a

2710
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:41,720
second?

2711
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:42,520
>> I'll second.

2712
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:44,160
>> A second from Commissioner Anderson. Any

2713
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:47,990
discussion before we take it to a vote?

2714
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,240
Commissioner Hammer, how do you vote?

2715
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:49,600
>> I.

2716
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:50,000
>> Commissioner

2717
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:50,640
>> I.

2718
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:51,280
>> Commissioner Proctor.

2719
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:51,760
>> I.

2720
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:52,840
>> Commissioner Jensen.

2721
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:53,200
>> I.

2722
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:54,160
>> Commissioner Anderson.

2723
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:54,920
>> I.

2724
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,360
am Chairman Hamilton. I also vote I.

2725
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,880
Commissioner Linford has abstained. Uh

2726
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:01,680
that still passes 6-0.

2727
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:02,960
>> Actually, you need to put for the

2728
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,200
minutes that he

2729
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:05,280
declared a conflict.

2730
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:06,800
>> He declared his conflict, yeah. We got

2731
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,520
that. Miss Young's taking care of us.

2732
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:10,080
She's This is not her first rodeo, I

2733
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:10,560
understand.

2734
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:11,360
>> She's been [laughter] with us for a

2735
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:12,480
while now.

2736
01:37:12,480 --> 01:37:14,880
>> She's got us taken care of down there.

2737
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,720
Right on. That one passes. Uh it is

2738
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:17,960
approved.

2739
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,520
Uh moves us on to number eight on our on

2740
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:22,080
our agenda tonight is our city council

2741
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:24,160
reports. Councilman Hanson.

2742
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:25,840
>> So, I've missed too many meetings, but

2743
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:27,240
there is a couple things I just wanted

2744
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:30,840
to bring up. One is the data center discussion that's going

2745
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:32,640
around the county and the state and

2746
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:34,080
everything that's got I got us everybody

2747
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:39,240
wound up. At the last city council meeting, we

2748
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,080
voted to

2749
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:43,840
not allow them for now until we get down

2750
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,000
in the future and see what really

2751
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,840
happens, you know, so there was some

2752
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,720
good discussion at the work meeting on

2753
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,040
last Wednesday's meeting. So, anyway,

2754
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,400
where that is, city's not planning on

2755
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:55,840
building any data centers downtown

2756
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,400
anytime soon. So.

2757
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,040
>> Am I hoping not doing downtown?

2758
01:37:59,040 --> 01:37:59,560
>> Yeah.

2759
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:00,520
>> I will fight you.

2760
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,240
>> to be 65% [laughter]

2761
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,000
stucco, 25% metal.

2762
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:04,680
>> Perfect.

2763
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:06,080
>> 10%

2764
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,720
>> And then the other thing I was thinking

2765
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:09,360
about from the the city council meeting

2766
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:10,600
we

2767
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,040
uh

2768
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:13,720
we talked about the property from the

2769
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,760
Masonic Temple to the dead pool south

2770
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,800
side of the road pretty much forever and

2771
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,640
that's finally come to fruition to where

2772
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:21,080
that water

2773
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:22,720
I think it's pretty much sold to

2774
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,800
developers by now, but since that

2775
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:26,160
Wednesday night meeting when we approved

2776
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:28,640
that change in the property donation to

2777
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:30,560
the city and so forth. So,

2778
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,440
that happened and that's

2779
01:38:32,440 --> 01:38:34,240
that development's not going to happen

2780
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,560
up there anymore. So.

2781
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,400
>> The city has a nice park.

2782
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:39,000
>> What's that?

2783
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:40,280
>> The city has a nice park.

2784
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:41,720
>> The city has a place to build, we can

2785
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:43,400
build something like a park or something

2786
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,400
which would be good someday. So, see how

2787
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:46,120
that goes.

2788
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:47,240
>> Yeah, anyway.

2789
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:48,840
>> There is some property there. So, you

2790
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,840
guys have any questions for me?

2791
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,080
>> Any questions for council from the

2792
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:54,920
commission?

2793
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:56,440
>> All right, I like it.

2794
01:38:56,440 --> 01:38:56,880
>> Yep.

2795
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,960
>> Excellent.

2796
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:00,480
>> All right, this moves us on to number

2797
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:02,040
nine on our agenda tonight. This is a

2798
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:04,360
review and decision on our July 22nd,

2799
01:39:04,360 --> 01:39:06,520
2026 Planning Commission meeting

2800
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:07,800
minutes. Are there any additions or

2801
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:12,910
corrections to those minutes?

2802
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:14,200
I'll entertain a motion.

2803
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:15,440
>> Chair, I move that we approve the

2804
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:17,640
minutes from the July 22nd meeting.

2805
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:18,840
>> Got a motion to approve from

2806
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:19,920
Commissioner Anderson. Do I have a

2807
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:20,880
second?

2808
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:21,720
>> I'll second.

2809
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:25,200
>> Second from Commissioner Proctor.

2810
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:26,360
Commissioner Hammer, how do you vote?

2811
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:26,640
>> I.

2812
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:27,400
>> Commissioner Sloan.

2813
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:27,640
>> I.

2814
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:28,640
>> Commissioner Linford.

2815
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:28,920
>> I.

2816
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:29,800
>> Commissioner Jensen.

2817
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:30,120
>> I.

2818
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:31,240
>> Commissioner Anderson.

2819
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:31,720
>> I.

2820
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,240
am Chairman Hamilton, they all look

2821
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:34,600
like they're in order and good to go. I

2822
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:36,800
will also vote I, but I was not there.

2823
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,040
>> I'll vote I, too.

2824
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:40,873
>> You skipped over me.

2825
01:39:40,873 --> 01:39:42,320
>> [laughter]

2826
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,160
>> You You over me. I'll go right too.

2827
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:45,720
>> No, I thought I said Frank.

2828
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,520
>> Frank recused himself and Tyson just

2829
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:48,280
recused you.

2830
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:49,388
>> Yeah.

2831
01:39:49,388 --> 01:39:50,040
>> [laughter]

2832
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:51,480
>> He chaired that one so he doesn't get a

2833
01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:52,680
vote.

2834
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:54,360
All right, you good?

2835
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:54,840
>> You're good.

2836
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:56,000
>> Yeah, getting a little wacky.

2837
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,760
>> They're past. Yes, it's getting crazy.

2838
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:00,960
Number nine on our agenda tonight, I

2839
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,680
will entertain a motion to adjourn.

2840
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:04,560
>> I'll make a motion.

2841
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,000
>> Thank you Commissioner Linford. We are

2842
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,960
adjourned. Thank you.