1 00:00:07,205 --> 00:00:09,510 [clears throat] 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,000 » Welcome. It's Wednesday, September 2nd, 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,240 2026. The time is 5:30 p.m. The Tooele 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,600 City Council and the Redevelopment 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,360 Agency of Tooele City are meeting in a 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,640 work meeting. This meeting is being held 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,120 at Tooele City Hall in the Council 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,160 Chambers located at 90 North Main Street 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,720 in Tooele, Utah. 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:26,680 We are also streaming this 11 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,200 electronically on the Tooele City 12 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,880 YouTube channel. 13 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,360 We will start with the roll call. 14 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,480 Councilman Gossett. 15 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:33,040 >> Present. 16 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:33,920 >> Councilman Hansen. 17 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:34,520 >> Present. 18 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,600 >> Councilman McCall. 19 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:36,120 >> Present. 20 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,760 >> And Councilman Brady, and I'm present. 21 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,560 And Councilwoman Gochis has asked to be 22 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,320 excused tonight. 23 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,680 Item three is the mayor's report. 24 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,320 >> Thank you, Council. I have a couple of 25 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,320 things tonight. Um, first of all, I we 26 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:48,960 um 27 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,360 Councilman McCall and I attended the 28 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,560 change of command today for 29 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,720 um the West Desert Test Range at Dugway 30 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,160 Proving Ground. So, we would like to 31 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,600 welcome Lieutenant Colonel Colonel 32 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:58,720 Player 33 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,160 to that. It's been managed by a civilian 34 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,120 for the last 15 years. So, it's moving 35 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,560 back into military leadership. 36 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,160 And he sounds like a great guy. Um we 37 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,720 also [snorts] received a donation from 38 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,520 the Mini Squeezes Lemonade Stand. Some 39 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,080 kids who have a lemon lemonade stand 40 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,280 every year, and they decide they use the 41 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,600 money to buy school clothes, but they 42 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,640 donate half to a cause. So, they just 43 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,280 donated $437 to our animal shelter. 44 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,640 So, I'd like to thank them for 45 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,760 their efforts and their donation. 46 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,080 And then I would like to um just 47 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,760 be um 48 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,920 remind everybody about our 9/11 walk. 49 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,280 It's the 25th anniversary of the 9/11 50 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,400 tragedy, and the fire department is 51 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,000 hosting their annual walk on September 52 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,320 12th at 8:00 a.m. So, wait, I would 53 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,640 invite you all to come join me and walk 54 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,880 that walk. 55 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,280 Um our driving range is repaired, so 56 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,960 that's an exciting thing and I think 57 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:00,840 we're still going to have some good 58 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,440 weather for golf 59 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,240 for the next little bit. 60 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Um, I would like to thank our public 61 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,080 works and streets department. We had the 62 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,880 water leak on 700 South that caused a 63 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,560 little sinkhole and it was all fixed the 64 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,200 same day. So, they crews got right out 65 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,760 there and got it fixed emergency repair, 66 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,280 so it's looking good. 67 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,520 And then, the last thing I would um, 68 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,640 just like to say is I received a an 69 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:26,880 awesome text from um, somebody who lives 70 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,000 in my neighborhood who said, "For the 71 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,880 first time ever, she was able to 72 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,680 complete all of her school clothes 73 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,400 shopping for her children in Tooele 74 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,880 without going to Salt Lake." So, that is 75 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,821 pretty exciting news for 76 00:02:39,821 --> 00:02:39,959 >> [clears throat] 77 00:02:39,959 --> 00:02:43,040 >> Tooele, for our sales tax and all all 78 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,360 that. So, pretty exciting. That's all I 79 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,680 have to report tonight. Thanks. 80 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,640 >> Thank you. We'll move on to item four, 81 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:51,320 the council members report. We'll start 82 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,400 with Councilman McCall. 83 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,360 >> I'd be glad to. 84 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,959 Um, as the mayor mentioned, I attended 85 00:02:56,959 --> 00:02:58,480 the change of command, not change of 86 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,920 command here. 87 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,440 Appointment of of the new West Desert 88 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,320 Test Center commander. 89 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,200 And that was interesting. Um, 90 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,040 I have to get better writing down all 91 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,560 the events that I attend, but I did 92 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,040 attend some more. 93 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,120 And I didn't write them down, so it was 94 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,280 gone. 95 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,120 So, that concludes my report. Sorry. 96 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,959 >> Thank you, Councilman Hansen. 97 00:03:21,959 --> 00:03:23,600 >> Um, 98 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,000 it was fun to see the kids who had 99 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,400 raised the money for the lemonade stand. 100 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,400 I mean, myself and Chairman Brady were 101 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,880 there at the mayor's office when they 102 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,440 showed up and I thought that was really 103 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:32,840 cool that they did something like that. 104 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,080 So, that was fun to see them. 105 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,280 Attended some planning commission 106 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,160 meetings and uh, 107 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,080 had lots of good discussion at them. 108 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:42,959 Um, 109 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:45,400 me and Councilman Gossett met with some 110 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Republican party people last night and 111 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,519 talked about data centers and other 112 00:03:50,519 --> 00:03:51,880 things like that that are happening in 113 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,280 the county. They 114 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,720 had some thoughts about that. 115 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,080 I do have to say about the shopping 116 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,720 thing. It just made me think of my wife 117 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,240 and shopping cuz it's like her favorite 118 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,560 sport and uh 119 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,080 so I'm not sure if I'm saving money or 120 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,800 not cuz she doesn't drive to Salt Lake 121 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,080 herself. 122 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,120 And so now she goes shopping every day 123 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,800 in Tooele, which 124 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:11,880 she doesn't have to go to Salt Lake, 125 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:12,880 either, I don't think. 126 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,360 >> At least we're collecting your money. 127 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,640 >> That's right. [laughter] Yeah. 128 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,160 it's my tax money's going to 129 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,600 Tooele. Yep. 130 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,239 Anyway, that's 131 00:04:20,239 --> 00:04:21,079 >> my report. 132 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:23,640 >> Thank you. Councilman Cossey. 133 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,000 >> Well, uh Councilman Hansen, your wife 134 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,480 came to my store and she spent some 135 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:28,720 money, so 136 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,440 I appreciated it. Um 137 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,320 yeah, we had a meeting with uh the GOP 138 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,520 and uh talked about data centers and 139 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,560 seems [clears throat] to be a hot topic 140 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,440 with everybody, so it was kind of good 141 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,960 to have that discussion and learn a 142 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,960 little bit more and uh 143 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,520 and like Dave, I I had it written down 144 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,280 what I did and I cannot figure out where 145 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:51,400 I wrote it. So, 146 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,880 I know I attended some other things, 147 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,320 planning and commission, of course, and 148 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,520 everything like that, but I I'm drawing 149 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,120 a blank. 150 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:58,760 >> Okay. 151 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,360 >> It's all right. I feel the same way 152 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,400 about my report, so 153 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,520 I know, I think it was last week, the 154 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,360 North Tooele Special Service District 155 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,040 had [clears throat] their truth in 156 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,400 taxation. That was approved 157 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,000 by them. 158 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,960 And then just the weekly staff meeting 159 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,560 that I attend. There's always a lot of 160 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,320 great things going on in the community 161 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,200 and shopping is just one of the great 162 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,320 things and there's always a lot of 163 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,960 behind-the-scene 164 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,720 meet or uh not meetings, things that 165 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,000 take place and thank you to the staff 166 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,840 for all that you do. 167 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:30,800 We will move on to our 168 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,960 discussion items. Our first discussion 169 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,919 item is a discussion on a sewer bond. 170 00:05:35,919 --> 00:05:37,680 This is presented by Jason Burning Ham 171 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:45,550 with LRB Public Finance Advisors. 172 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,800 » Good evening, 173 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,118 um members of the council and mayor 174 00:05:49,118 --> 00:05:50,760 [clears throat] and and others. Uh it's 175 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,320 a pleasure to be here. 176 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,680 My name is Jason Burningham, as 177 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,840 mentioned. I'm with LRB Public Finance 178 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,600 Advisors, uh principal and owner. 179 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,160 Uh the purpose tonight, um I think in 180 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,640 this work session, is to provide uh some 181 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,800 background. I prepared a 182 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,000 uh slide presentation to just quickly go 183 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,200 through this. Um 184 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,120 feel free as we go through this, if 185 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,080 there are any questions, don't hesitate 186 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,000 to 187 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,080 you know, just raise your hand and uh let's see if we can address it at 188 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,040 that point. But, 189 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,720 um for your consideration this evening, 190 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,160 we've got the uh plan of finance for the 191 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,400 sewer improvements uh that the city has 192 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,919 been working on for for some time. Uh 193 00:06:30,919 --> 00:06:32,160 that would be expansion to the 194 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,000 wastewater treatment facility and some other upgrades to that 195 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,520 facility. 196 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,840 Um 197 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:41,000 we're going to talk about a resolution, 198 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,280 which is what will be before you uh this 199 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:44,800 evening, and I'm going to go into just a 200 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,000 little bit of detail on that, um as well 201 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,400 as identifying some next steps. So, 202 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,840 steps that we would take from this 203 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:55,120 point, um to put forth our effort to get 204 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,080 these financed, so that you've got the 205 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,760 project to to move forward. If we can 206 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,760 advance that, thank you. Here, so good. 207 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,000 Um 208 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,040 so, [clears throat] 209 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,880 really the requested action for you to 210 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,600 consider tonight is adopting a 211 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,880 parameters resolution. 212 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Um that's one component of it, uh but in 213 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,520 that parameters resolution is 214 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,080 authorizing the notice of intent to 215 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,560 issue bonds. And that's a statutory uh 216 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,200 required uh notice that goes um published on the 217 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,640 Utah Public Notice website. It's also 218 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,320 published on your website. And it starts 219 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,280 a 30-day contest period. So, it it gives 220 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,815 opportunity for residents and others 221 00:07:39,815 --> 00:07:41,320 [clears throat] to 222 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,680 uh voice um 223 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,720 their thoughts, suggestions, commentary 224 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,720 as it relates to the bond issue. 225 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,000 Importantly, this resolution tonight 226 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,800 also will set a public hearing, um which 227 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,600 is contemplated now to be held on 228 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,760 your next meeting, September 16th, I 229 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,080 believe. 230 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,080 Um 231 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,880 wherein you would uh field public 232 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,320 comment and uh provide an opportunity 233 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,280 for the public to uh really comment and 234 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,200 uh I guess again provide their input uh 235 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,400 relative to this project. 236 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,200 Uh 237 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,240 I wanted to summarize, however, that um 238 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,000 tonight's actions do not lock in final 239 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,760 interest rates, nor do they necessarily 240 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,360 uh confirm what the bond size, maturity 241 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,840 schedule, or any of those specifics. 242 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,479 This is merely a introductory 243 00:08:34,479 --> 00:08:37,200 uh initi- initiatory 244 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,800 element that you would go through in 245 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,120 order to to issue bonds. 246 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,240 I also failed to or neglected um to 247 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,120 recognize Brandon Johnson with 248 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,440 Farnsworth uh and Johnson. He's bond 249 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,480 counsel on this transaction, and uh 250 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,240 he'll be working closely with um with 251 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,720 legal counsel Matt and and uh his group 252 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,640 uh as we move this forward. 253 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,839 We can advance the slide. Thank you. 254 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:06,960 So, we often get questions on well, what 255 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,240 does this resolution really do or what 256 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,440 doesn't it do? Um 257 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,280 So, I kind of uh 258 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,480 put this together just as a a quick 259 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,839 summary of what it does do. 260 00:09:18,839 --> 00:09:21,240 It sets the maximum parameters under 261 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,240 which, if the city elects to move 262 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,520 forward and issue bonds, 263 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,600 it's a parameters under which you have 264 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,720 to maintain or your issuance has to be 265 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,440 within those parameters. So, it can't go 266 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,360 above them. Um that's more of just some 267 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,240 guidepost that we would set out. It 268 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,560 also, uh uh, importantly, delegates 269 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:42,920 authority, uh, in order to complete the 270 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,560 sale of the bonds. And typically and 271 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:48,000 historically, that's been done in 272 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,360 Tooele's form of government through, uh, 273 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,680 the mayor's authorization or mayor pro 274 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:53,920 tem. 275 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,760 Um, with, uh, advice from us as the 276 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,520 financial advisor and, uh, your finance 277 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,240 director, uh, Shannon Wimmer. 278 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,800 Um, it also authorizes, I mentioned that 279 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,080 notice of intent that goes in the paper 280 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,240 and also the public hearing. 281 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,680 Um, and it allows us, uh, to really 282 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:13,880 proceed towards, uh, getting this 283 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,080 project completed. 284 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,560 What it doesn't do, and, uh, I think this is important 285 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:22,440 distinction, is it doesn't approve the 286 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,760 final pricing tonight, which means it 287 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,440 doesn't issue, 288 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,600 uh, any bonds. Uh, it simply simply 289 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,760 provides a not to exceed maximum amount, 290 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,240 a not to exceed maximum time over which 291 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,640 the bonds may mature, 292 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,839 and maximum interest rate, and those 293 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:43,280 types of things. 294 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,760 I think it's also important for the 295 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,560 public to recognize that this doesn't 296 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:48,800 create a general obligation. This is not 297 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,640 a, uh, a property tax pledge. This is a 298 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,240 utility, 299 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,400 uh, revenue bond. And so, the net 300 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,920 revenues of the sewer system are what 301 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,800 ultimately are pledged for this 302 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,720 financing. And that's how the bonds are 303 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,360 secured. 304 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,000 Um, there are some other nuances, but 305 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,640 potentially, depending on where the bond 306 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,040 rating is when we receive it, we may or 307 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,880 may not, uh, apply for bond insurance, 308 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,400 which is a credit enhancement. But based 309 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,760 on our current thoughts of where the 310 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,920 credit of the city is, and in particular 311 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,720 the sewer utility, 312 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,600 uh, we think that, um, 313 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,440 your stand-alone credit rating is 314 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,560 probably going to be more beneficial 315 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:33,920 than even what a municipal bond insurer 316 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,360 could provide. 317 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,238 So, if we can go to the next, thank you. 318 00:11:38,238 --> 00:11:38,560 >> [clears throat] 319 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:39,520 >> Um 320 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,920 I'm sure this will be provided in more 321 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,320 detail, but I wanted to provide an 322 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,040 estimate of the total cost of this 323 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,520 project, just under $17 million. 324 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,200 Uh as you know, the city has been 325 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,600 collecting uh specifically for this type 326 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,440 of expansion impact fees. And so, new 327 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,960 development activity has been paying a 328 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,840 portion of this. So, even though the 329 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,920 total amount of this project is almost 330 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,080 $17 million, there are $5 million 331 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,120 of impact fees that have already been 332 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,480 collected, which we'll be using towards 333 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,040 this. So, it's almost kind of like your 334 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,120 equity investment into this. 335 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,960 Uh that leaves 11.7 336 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,000 almost 7.2 million dollars there, of 337 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,960 which we are proposing to finance a par 338 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,760 amount of bonds of $11.1 million. 339 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,840 The difference there is there's some uh 340 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,240 issuance premium. The market will pay a 341 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,839 little more in order to get the the 342 00:12:37,839 --> 00:12:40,400 bonds at attractive rates. 343 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,839 So, again, this shows you really what 344 00:12:42,839 --> 00:12:44,839 our plan of finance is right now. So, 345 00:12:44,839 --> 00:12:46,320 even though you'll notice in the 346 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,880 resolution that we have maximum of 14 347 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,160 million, 348 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,520 we really don't anticipate that we would 349 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,400 you we would use or need that capacity. 350 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,640 So, that's just more of a 351 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,960 out outlier of you know, if project 352 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,320 costs came in higher or we decided not 353 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,960 to put in as much impact fees 354 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,640 and more debt finance, that would give 355 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,160 us some flexibility there. 356 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,960 Thanks. 357 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:12,600 Uh 358 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,440 so, 359 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,640 again, I think this is just a summary of 360 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,760 what are the parameters versus what our 361 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,480 current planning is. So, I've already 362 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,440 mentioned the not to exceed 14 million, 363 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,640 and our expected sale is about 11 364 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,600 million and change. 365 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,040 Uh are not to exceed maximum maturity is 366 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,000 25 years. Um but right now we're running 367 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:35,880 all of the debt schedules based on a 368 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,520 20-year amortization. 369 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,840 The coupon rate is a not to exceed 5 and 370 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,800 1/2%. Right now our current uh interest 371 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,760 rate that we're uh anticipating is about 372 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,440 4.5% 373 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,120 uh percent on a 20-year basis. 374 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,000 And then the purchase price um 375 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,320 the premium structure is what we expect, 376 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,360 but we put a minimum of 98% of par. So, 377 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,040 when we offer these bonds to the market, 378 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,960 we're in essence saying 379 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,920 a good bid a bad bid would be less than 380 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,520 98%. You'd have to at least give us 98 381 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,600 cents on the dollar uh to purchase 382 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,040 these. We expect that we're going to get 383 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,800 more like 102, 103%. 384 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,560 Thanks. 385 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,440 Uh so, just a reminder of the security 386 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,200 of these bonds, we're talking about 387 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,920 sewer revenue bonds, not general 388 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,640 obligation bonds. So, it's it's simply 389 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,480 the sewer system revenues, which would 390 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,200 be the rates, 391 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,480 impact fees, connection fees, other 392 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,920 revenues that would come to the system, 393 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,320 less your operational and maintenance 394 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,839 expenses. 395 00:14:40,839 --> 00:14:42,680 That is really what's deemed net 396 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,120 revenues that are pledged. And so, 397 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,120 that's your security pledge that bond 398 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,200 holders then have a direct interest in. 399 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,000 And then they compare that to the bond 400 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,640 debt service that we would have. So, 401 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,320 uh net revenues are what are used here. 402 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,640 We've used it before. That's how the 403 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,640 original treatment facility was 404 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,440 financed. Um 405 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,280 it's what we've done for most of the 406 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,680 water improvements uh as well on a water 407 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,000 revenue pledge. So, this is a very 408 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,400 traditional utility type of a structure. 409 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,160 You can't read any of this, but 410 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,000 um 411 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,440 this is kind of a compilation of what 412 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,200 the financial uh metrics look like for 413 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,440 the city. 414 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,560 Uh what I've kind of blown up on the I 415 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,000 guess it would be your right as you're 416 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,960 looking at it is uh is a debt service 417 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,760 coverage. This is really what 418 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,400 bondholders, investors, rating agencies 419 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,480 are looking at and uh even if you take 420 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,200 out impact fees and you've had a a 421 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,240 fairly steady 422 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,440 uh 423 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,480 receipt of impact fees, but even if you 424 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,680 completely strip that out, um you'd have 425 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,120 2.23 times coverage. And so a good 426 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,760 rating 427 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,920 area, at least in terms of this metric, 428 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,680 would be 1.6 times or higher. So at 2.23 429 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,600 times, we're thinking that's a very 430 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,360 um 431 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,640 very solid credit. Obviously speaks to 432 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,560 uh the financial planning of the city. 433 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:13,600 So 434 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,360 uh we'll get into more detail as we 435 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,880 visit with the rating agencies and and 436 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,520 others, but uh that's a great metric. 437 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,360 That's why we're very uh excited for 438 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,640 this to go to the market. 439 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,080 So this is I think the last element is 440 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,560 just where are we in terms of uh the 441 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,200 calendar. Um tonight being that 442 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,160 resolution, um 443 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,320 starting uh tomorrow we begin that 444 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,640 30-day contest period. 445 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,240 Uh 446 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,520 we've got flexibility right now. This is 447 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,240 kind of a a date, September 14th 448 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,520 through, let's say, the end of September 449 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,080 would be the rating presentation and 450 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,240 receiving that rating back. 451 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,160 The 16th is scheduled and that's a firm 452 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,600 date. That would be the public hearing. 453 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,040 And then we expect to receive the 454 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,360 rating, if we met [snorts] 455 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,400 with them on the 14th, then by the 25th. 456 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:06,839 If that gets pushed out a couple of 457 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:09,839 weeks, then that rating receipt would 458 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:12,360 also be pushed out. And then right now 459 00:17:12,360 --> 00:17:14,920 we're contemplating pricing the bonds on 460 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,920 October 7th and closing on October 15th. 461 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Recognizing 2 weeks here or there of 462 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,360 some flexibility if we need a little 463 00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:26,319 longer process, but 464 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:28,720 um that's the intent and this is this 465 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,480 resolution that you'd be considering 466 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,280 tonight is what puts all of this in 467 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:37,520 motion. So that's where we would hope to lead this. 468 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,840 Um so next steps, we're going to final 469 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,920 the draft finalize the draft bond 470 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,880 documents. We're in the process of 471 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,920 preparing all the rating materials of 472 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,680 which the city will then present that 473 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,000 information to Standard & Poor's, 474 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,840 Moody's, Fitch. 475 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,840 We hold the public hearing which will be 476 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,120 under your direction on the 16th 477 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:00,000 and then receive that rating, conduct 478 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,000 the bond sale and and then deliver the 479 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,400 bond proceeds so that project can be 480 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,400 constructed. So with that I'm 481 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,240 uh here and available and be happy to 482 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,640 answer any questions if you have them. I 483 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:20,760 know I covered a lot of information in a brief period of time, but I hope you wouldn't hesitate if you had 484 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,240 any questions. 485 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,400 >> Are there any questions or comments? 486 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,120 >> I think the only thing I'm trying to 487 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:27,920 remember is what was 488 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,280 getting the bond it's at the sewer 489 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,400 plant, but what are we building here? 490 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,280 What are we doing? 491 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,800 >> Of the project itself? 492 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,840 >> What's the project? Yeah. That'd be a 493 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,520 Nathan thing I think rather than you. 494 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:37,760 >> I'd Nathan to come up on 495 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,240 >> me what that project is. I'm sure we've 496 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,720 talked about it, but 497 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,240 >> Just call me Daddy Warbucks, right? 498 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,337 >> Um 499 00:18:43,337 --> 00:18:43,480 >> [laughter] 500 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,440 >> Sorry. 501 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,200 Uh so this is going to be playing for 502 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,840 our biosolids uh greenhouse upgrade uh with our two 503 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,360 new turners and heated floors. It's 504 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:55,800 going to be the majority of the project. 505 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,800 We've got um other things that 506 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,120 um we need to get done down there as 507 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,280 well and then there's two 508 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,840 uh sewer lines that need to be in my on the right track? Thank you. So 509 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,080 those are the main projects that are 510 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,360 going to be done. 511 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:10,760 So. 512 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:11,680 >> Okay. 513 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,280 All right. 514 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,440 >> So 515 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,320 a few projects 516 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,560 >> and the sorry, the UV uh disinfection 517 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,080 building will be upgraded as well. 518 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,600 >> So, there's there's a few projects that 519 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,520 >> Yeah, we're going to be getting quite a 520 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,640 bit of stuff done. 521 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,920 >> of everything you need then. 522 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,920 >> Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, for now we're 523 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,520 good. 524 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,160 >> for now, [laughter] for now, for now. 525 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,680 >> Thank you. 526 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,040 >> I would I would just add to that that 527 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,800 it you know, the city has compiled a capital 528 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,200 facilities plan. And so, over the next 529 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,440 several years, this is 530 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,280 you know, 531 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,320 a few of several projects that will be 532 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,640 financed, but based on the on the 533 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,240 finance plan, 534 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,520 this bond issue would finance, 535 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,120 you know, some big projects, but the 536 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:53,840 rest of it would be anticipated to be 537 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,160 pay as you go, not debt financed. It 538 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,720 would just come out of, 539 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,360 you know, capital reserves and um and 540 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:02,520 net revenues that would help pay for 541 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,160 those future capital improvements. 542 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,320 >> Okay. 543 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,720 Any other questions or comments? 544 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:11,680 All right, thank you. That was a good 545 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:12,480 presentation. 546 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,400 >> Okay, well, thank you. Good luck. 547 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,200 >> Thanks. 548 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,240 >> All right, our next discussion item is a 549 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,560 discussion on the history of the IS 550 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,440 Industrial Service Zoning District and 551 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,520 possible amendments [clears throat] to 552 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,440 the industrial, light industrial, and 553 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,160 industrial service zoning districts 554 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,440 regarding land uses permitted within 555 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,520 each permitted within each zone. 556 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,400 Presented by Andrew Agard, the Community 557 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,160 Development Director. Thank you, 558 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,720 Council. 559 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,000 You probably [clears throat] recall that 560 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,400 a few weeks ago I did a presentation and 561 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,400 presented some findings on the various uses that are included in 562 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,000 our industrial zoning districts. We have 563 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,800 three of them. We have the industrial, 564 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:49,920 we have the light industrial, and we 565 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,120 have the industrial service. 566 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:54,000 The industrial zone is the heavy 567 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,720 industrial zone. That is primarily the 568 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,120 PID 569 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,120 area. There's also more some more 570 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,600 industrial uh located north of 571 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,720 SR 112 on the west side of the city. The 572 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,040 light industrial, of course, is our 573 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,320 lighter industrial area. And the 574 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,160 industrial service 575 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,120 is kind of a hybrid between the two zones. In our 576 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:13,520 last meeting, we weren't entirely sure 577 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,040 as to how the industrial zone came 578 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,240 about. 579 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,160 And so, I was tasked with doing a little 580 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,600 research 581 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,520 in regards to the legislative intent 582 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,560 behind the industrial service zone, and 583 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,160 I wanted to present the findings to you 584 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,520 and get your feedback as to how you'd 585 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,880 like to proceed. 586 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:30,960 So, the ordinance creating the 587 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,680 industrial service zone was approved on 588 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,280 October 7th, 2020, in conjunction with a 589 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,800 zoning map amendment of 130 acres of 590 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,400 property to the industrial service zone. 591 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,800 The intent was to create a zone that 592 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,920 permitted land uses of intensity between 593 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,680 the light industrial and the industrial 594 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,160 service zoning district. 595 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,120 The the 596 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,040 catalyst behind this was there was a 597 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,480 gentleman who wanted to do a use 598 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,280 in the northern in the area up near the 599 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,400 North Point Medical Center. 600 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,280 And the use that he wanted to do was 601 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,880 permissible 602 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,320 in the industrial zone, 603 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,640 but not in the light industrial zone. 604 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,320 And 605 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,280 the council at the time did not want to 606 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,680 rezone the property to industrial, 607 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,200 and they did not want to rezone the 608 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,600 property to light industrial because the 609 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,760 light industrial zone permits light 610 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,680 manufacturing and assembly. 611 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,520 So, at that time, the city council 612 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,120 decided, "Well, let's look at doing a 613 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:33,320 zone that kind of falls in between the 614 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,720 two of them." 615 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,440 And that's where the industrial service 616 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,320 zone was created. 617 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,800 Now, the only difference currently 618 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,440 between the light industrial zone and 619 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,720 the industrial service zone is that use 620 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,600 right there, light manufacturing and 621 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,000 assembly. 622 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,880 Now, light manufacturing and assembly is 623 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,800 a very broad 624 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,320 industrial use. Yeah, you can do a lot 625 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,760 of stuff under that category. 626 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,080 Uh hopefully, you can read that. If not, 627 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,640 I'll just read really quick the first 628 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,880 part of it. 629 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,000 A The manufacturing and assembly is an 630 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,440 establishment engaged in the 631 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,400 manufacture, predominantly from 632 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,240 previously prepared materials, of 633 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,440 finished products or parts, 634 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,320 including processing, fabrication, 635 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,240 assembly, treatment, and packaging of 636 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,760 such products and incidental storage, 637 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,000 sales, and distribution. 638 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,600 That covers a lot of stuff. 639 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,440 And I believe the council's intent at 640 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,440 that time was they wanted to keep this manufacturing out of certain parts 641 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,400 of the city, and so they ratified the 642 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,640 industrial service zone to just cover 643 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,720 specific uses and keep this vague use 644 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,160 out of there. 645 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,080 So, that's what I found out in regards 646 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,360 to reading the 647 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,800 uh the minutes and so forth. And thanks 648 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,360 to Shiloh for getting those for me. She 649 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:45,240 found those that information for me. 650 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,606 So, back to the 651 00:23:46,606 --> 00:23:48,000 >> [sighs] 652 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,320 >> What should we do? 653 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,000 Uh I need the council's direction here 654 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,240 on this. 655 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,600 Uh number one, we could look at 656 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,320 eliminating the industrial service zone. 657 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,640 Uh that would require probably a 658 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,000 city-initiated zoning map amendment to 659 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,280 the light industrial zone. 660 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,840 It wouldn't be any detrimental impact to 661 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,560 those properties that currently have the 662 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,240 IS zone because actually they're getting 663 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,600 that now the light manufacturing. So, 664 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,880 it'd be a benefit to them. 665 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,960 Uh the other option is to leave the IS 666 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,640 zone and the situation as it is. Uh the 667 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,960 IS zone doesn't really cause us any 668 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,320 problems 669 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,280 other than maybe a little bit of 670 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,600 confusion when people ask for the 671 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,800 difference between the two zones. 672 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,320 Uh but really it doesn't have any detrimental impacts 673 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,560 on us. 674 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:32,720 And the other option would be to 675 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,080 continue to attempt to separate the 676 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,360 uses. 677 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:38,080 Uh that one's a little problematic for 678 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,040 me as staff because there's no baseline that I can use to 679 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,120 judge medium [clears throat] industrial 680 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,280 versus light industrial. So, it'd be 681 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,800 kind of arbitrary in regards to choosing 682 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,200 uses that could go in the light 683 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,840 industrial versus uses that go in the 684 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,200 industrial service. However, I am happy 685 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,520 to try to do that if that's the 686 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,200 direction the city council would like to 687 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,240 go. 688 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,040 So, at this point, I'm just looking for 689 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,600 some direction from the council and how 690 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,120 do you want me to proceed? 691 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:05,760 Happy to Happy to answer any questions 692 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,760 you might have for it. 693 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,160 >> Are there any questions or comments? 694 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,200 >> I guess my question is is why why is it 695 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,360 brought what brought it up? 696 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,520 >> Just we just 697 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,360 we didn't really understand what we what 698 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:18,840 the purpose of the industrial service 699 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,360 zone was. 700 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:21,520 Cuz it's so similar to the light 701 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,360 industrial. 702 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:23,600 >> We were here and I remember there was 703 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,080 something 704 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,320 that we thought could be so certain 705 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,440 place but it wouldn't wasn't allowed. 706 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,160 >> Yeah, I can't remember what the business 707 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,720 was that 708 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,240 not the name of the business but what 709 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,240 type of business. 710 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,040 >> Yeah, we were here. We were newer at the 711 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,880 time but 712 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,440 >> I believe it was that industrial that uh Empire Storage. 713 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,920 >> Okay. [clears throat] 714 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,560 I just remember there was a pretty good 715 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,440 discussion about we didn't want it like 716 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,400 you had said to be an industrial area 717 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,600 but we still felt like the the business 718 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,680 itself was fine and 719 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,600 I think that's why we ended up changing 720 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,840 it or creating a zone is cuz 721 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,840 we wanted that business in Tooele but 722 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,240 not necessarily rezoning everything so 723 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,880 >> Yeah, it was it was that Empire Storage 724 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,480 facility on the north end. That was the 725 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,720 catalyst. Once you had established the 726 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,320 industrial service, you went through a a 727 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,280 very large zoning map amendment and you 728 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,320 took 729 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,240 maybe 70 acres on the north end and you 730 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,080 took about 70 acres 731 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,040 out on 1200 West and you rezoned those 732 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,000 portions to I industrial service. 733 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000 But it was based upon that that storage 734 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,560 facility. 735 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,280 That's what got you thinking. 736 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,040 >> Yeah. So, if it was uh put into place in 737 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,840 2020 738 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,160 of that special district, how many 739 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,240 applications have been fallen into that 740 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,950 since 2020? Just that one? 741 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,000 I mean, has it been used I guess? 742 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,400 >> Maybe three. The the U-Haul facility 743 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,440 falls into the industrial service. 744 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,680 Um 745 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,030 I think the uh 746 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,000 No, the the the paint stores in the 747 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,760 general commercial. Probably just the 748 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,640 U-Haul facility. 749 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,440 >> Would the U-Haul have been permitted in 750 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,120 a light industrial, though? 751 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:06,720 >> Yeah. 752 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,320 >> Okay, so it 753 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,240 >> Yeah, they're so similar in use that 754 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,520 they're they're almost the same zone. 755 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,480 So. 756 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:14,560 That's why I brought it. I was 757 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,280 attempting to 758 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,040 separate the uses and create create kind 759 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,160 of a a tangible difference between the 760 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,040 two zoning districts and it it proved 761 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,640 more difficult than I had anticipated to 762 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,200 do that without being arbitrary. So, I 763 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,960 wanted to bring it to you and 764 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,800 get your thoughts. 765 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,120 >> So, typically it'd just be the two. 766 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:34,840 The light and then the 767 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,880 >> Yeah, it'd be the it'd be the light 768 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,200 industrial, the industrial service, then 769 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,800 the heavy industrial. 770 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,120 Uh the heavy industrial sitting out 771 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:41,720 there on its own. We don't want to I 772 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,040 don't want to mess around with that one. 773 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,480 That one's fine. 774 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,760 Uh it's just the light industrial and 775 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,800 the industrial service. 776 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,960 >> So, if we chose to remove the industrial 777 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,080 service, we'd have to look at the map 778 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,520 again and decide 779 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,240 what that area becomes or does it 780 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,240 automatically become a light industrial 781 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,040 since we're kind of absorbing it into 782 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,880 that? 783 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,680 >> We could proceed in that regard however 784 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,560 you'd like. We could just do a blanket 785 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,080 rezone and change it all to light 786 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,640 industrial, but if you wanted to look at 787 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,960 maybe doing 788 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,920 regional commercial or some other 789 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,960 heavier commercial zone, 790 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,680 we could consider that as well. It's our 791 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,840 however like the council would like to 792 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,680 proceed. 793 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,000 >> Yeah. Well, like there was a couple 794 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,080 other businesses that 795 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,240 like I think I think it was like the 796 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,320 towing yards that wanted to be up on our 797 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,320 thing that it couldn't be there because of the 798 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,400 way we had things zoned and 799 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,920 we've had two or three things like that 800 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,880 happen. I just don't know if we did eliminated, does it affect anything 801 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,960 really? 802 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,240 Or 803 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,080 >> The the only effect 804 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,640 >> to make it happen again, you know, cuz 805 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,200 well, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to put 806 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,440 something in the light industrial 807 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,720 that probably should be in the heavy 808 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,000 industrial. 809 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,440 I don't know what that goes to cuz it 810 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,080 seemed like there was some issues with 811 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,920 that, too. But maybe there wasn't. Maybe 812 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,840 I'm just Maybe my I'm thinking about 813 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,640 >> like there was more than one applicant. 814 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,560 >> Yeah, it does. Yeah. 815 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,200 >> I can't remember the details. 816 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,120 >> there was the the thing with the 817 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,320 wrecking yards and 818 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:01,680 >> Yeah. 819 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,080 >> on over in the our industrial area over 820 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,600 there. Yeah. 821 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,280 >> Yeah. And there there there are some 822 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,360 wrecking yards 823 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,960 >> for that, too. And I can't remember what 824 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,160 it was exactly, but 825 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,000 >> There are some towing yards on 1200 826 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,560 West. 827 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,200 >> Yeah, that's the one. 828 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,800 >> where the industrial service does exist 829 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,720 as well. So. 830 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:17,880 >> Yeah. 831 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,920 I think they weren't allowed there 832 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,720 without us changing something. 833 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,080 >> Yeah. 834 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,800 >> They had to be in the industrial. 835 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,480 >> If we don't have that, that's the 836 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,680 perfect example, that towing yard. If we 837 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,600 didn't have the industrial service, 838 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,360 could a towing yard have gone in that 839 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,120 area? 840 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,560 >> Not in a light industrial zone. 841 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,080 >> See. 842 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,680 >> That's the one I remember more. 843 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,600 >> I think yeah. 844 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,920 As we start thinking about it, I 845 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,920 We were part of the storage unit, too. I 846 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,520 remember that discussion. Yeah. 847 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,000 >> Where would the towing industry fit in? 848 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:45,320 >> The 849 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,000 >> Without that service district, it would 850 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,440 have been light or would it be 851 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,120 >> Industrial. 852 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,200 Okay. 853 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,440 >> I think that was part of our discussion 854 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,640 cuz we I I felt like they didn't have to 855 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,040 be in industrial. 856 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,760 But 857 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:58,760 I don't know. 858 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,160 >> Yeah, it's not causing us any problems 859 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,240 having it in place. I mean, that's 860 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,640 It's just an extra zone that's very 861 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,960 similar to the light industrial, so. 862 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,400 it really has its own little special 863 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,200 >> It does. 864 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,400 >> it can benefit, right? So, it keeps it 865 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,160 >> it it prohibitly it prohibits that broad 866 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,480 category of light manufacturing. 867 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:18,920 >> Yeah. 868 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,640 >> So, the the intent was to 869 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,920 have it focusing on service type uses. 870 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,880 So. 871 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,640 >> I'm okay if we just keep it. If it's 872 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,520 >> I think I am, too. 873 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,840 >> It doesn't seem like it's creating a lot 874 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,160 of confusion for applicants or your 875 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,040 department. 876 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,040 Maybe there will come another applicant 877 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,720 who it serves with the purpose that we 878 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,320 had intended like a towing yard or 879 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,480 something, so 880 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,160 that's my opinion. 881 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,640 >> I'm happy to I'm happy to do that. We 882 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,160 can always We can always look at it in 883 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,840 the future if we need to. So, there's no 884 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,240 problem. 885 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,671 >> it creates a problem, then we didn't 886 00:30:53,671 --> 00:30:54,600 [clears throat] We don't want it to be a 887 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,800 problem, either. So, yeah. 888 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,040 And so, if you had anything that was a 889 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,200 problem, but it doesn't sound like you 890 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,000 do. 891 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,000 >> No. 892 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,640 >> Not really. 893 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,320 >> Okay. 894 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,480 Thanks, Andrew. 895 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,000 >> Okay. Everyone good with that? 896 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:07,680 >> Yeah. 897 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,120 >> I'll just 898 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,320 >> Excellent. Thank you, Council. Thank 899 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,400 you. 900 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,960 >> Our next discussion is a discussion on a 901 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,120 proposed city code text amendment 902 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,960 request by Perry Commercial to amend 903 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,720 Tooele City Code 7-16A-3, 904 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,200 residential special districts 905 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,120 eligibility and size regarding the 906 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,080 minimum land requirements necessary to 907 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,840 qualify for a commercial special 908 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,080 district and compliance with the land 909 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,080 use map of the general plan presented by 910 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,640 Andrew Ager at the Community Development 911 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,320 Director. 912 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,640 >> So, this item actually appears twice in 913 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,360 your in your meetings tonight. It's also 914 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,120 on the business meeting. 915 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,800 Uh this is an application that was 916 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,120 submitted by Perry Commercial. 917 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,560 Uh they were the ones that requested 918 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,400 this text amendment. 919 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,480 It was going to be on a a past agenda, 920 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,120 but they [clears throat] actually 921 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,960 withdrew the item from your agenda 922 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:54,800 because they wanted to make an 923 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,960 additional change. And so, we made the 924 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,440 additional change. We took it back to 925 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,120 Planning Commission. 926 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,160 And uh it's here tonight on both your 927 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,680 work session and your business meeting. 928 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,080 I wanted on your work session just so we 929 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,440 could talk about it a little bit more. 930 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,080 Uh let me explain exactly what is going 931 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,240 on with this request. 932 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,080 In order to qualify for a commercial 933 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,760 special district under the ordinance, 934 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,720 you have to meet three 935 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,320 basic criteria. Number one, you have to 936 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,480 have a commercial land use designation 937 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,440 on the subject property. 938 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,120 So, in our land use map, if it's not 939 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,560 commercial, you have to go through the 940 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,960 land use map amendment and change that 941 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,520 to commercial in order to qualify for a 942 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,680 commercial special district. 943 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,080 You also have to have more than 50 944 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,240 acres. 945 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,240 And the properties need to be contiguous 946 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,400 and developable. So, 50 acres all 947 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,360 together, commercial land use 948 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,600 designation. 949 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,200 Now, Perry Commercial submitted a text 950 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,120 amendment application and they have 951 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,080 requested some changes in regards to the 952 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,920 eligibility for a commercial special 953 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,280 district. The first one relates to the 954 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,840 land use map. 955 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,840 What they are proposing is to combine 956 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,680 the land use map amendment into the 957 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,840 review process 958 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,360 with a CSD. So, when we review the CSD, 959 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,040 we also review the the land use map. 960 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,720 Uh what this does is it reduces the 961 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,680 number of applications the applicant has 962 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,760 to submit and also reduces the amount of 963 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,960 fees that have to be paid. 964 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,440 Um it also states in the ordinance that 965 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,000 if the CSD is adopted by the city 966 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,320 council, 967 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,000 uh the land use map would automatically 968 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,720 be changed to a regional or to a 969 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,600 commercial designation. 970 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,640 So, obviously on on on the flip side, if 971 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,440 the CSD is denied, the land use map 972 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,680 would not be changed. Uh so, that's the 973 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,080 first part of their request. They just 974 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,920 want to combine two applications into 975 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,440 one. 976 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,880 And then the second part 977 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,200 is regarding the size and uh con- 978 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,680 continuity of the properties. 979 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,520 Uh the blue language that you see there 980 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,680 is the applicant's language. The green 981 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,560 is some suggestions by the planning 982 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,920 commission. 983 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,040 So, what what it says is in the event 984 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,480 the proposed size of the CSD is over 125 985 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,480 acres 986 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,440 and each parcel being larger than 30 987 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,280 acres, the CSD does not need to be 988 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,679 contiguous. 989 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,200 And then it says if the CSD doesn't meet 990 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,600 these qualifications, it would revert 991 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,320 back to the original qualifications. 992 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,960 You'll note that as well that I striked 993 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,040 out 994 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,840 um includes not more than three parcels. 995 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,399 That's an error on my part. When I was 996 00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:25,893 putting the the ordinance together, 997 00:34:25,893 --> 00:34:27,480 [clears throat] I I did not remove that 998 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,879 language. So, 999 00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:30,120 uh in your business meeting, I'll bring 1000 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,840 this up again, but uh 1001 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,159 we'll want to make sure if the council 1002 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,280 is inclined to approve this to 1003 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,080 uh 1004 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,560 not include that language, but 1005 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,240 that's what's being requested. This is 1006 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:42,720 an aerial map showing why they're 1007 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,399 requesting it. 1008 00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:46,440 The CSD, which is also on your business 1009 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,360 meeting agenda tonight, includes all of 1010 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,080 that property you see highlighted in 1011 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,240 red. And they're not contiguous. 1012 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:56,280 Uh they are separate. If uh they had to 1013 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,680 go through the standard process, they'd 1014 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,400 be doing four applications for each CSD 1015 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,760 plus four applications for the land use 1016 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,880 map. 1017 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,480 Uh so that's the request. If you have 1018 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,840 any questions, I'd be happy to answer 1019 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,720 those for you. 1020 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,600 >> Okay, any questions or comments? Just on 1021 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,440 that 1022 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,920 piece of property that's going uh on the 1023 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,280 west side going north and south, it 1024 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,990 doesn't have an acreage on that. 1025 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,720 » Oh, it do- it's 1026 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,160 I apologize for that. I should have had 1027 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,480 it on there. It's like 100 and 1028 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,720 it's like 120 or something like that. 1029 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,710 >> Okay. 1030 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,080 And all these are already zoned 1031 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,080 commercial. 1032 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:34,720 >> No, they're not. 1033 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:35,360 >> They're not. 1034 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,160 >> No. 1035 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,000 >> That's Okay, that's part of the change. 1036 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,440 >> on your next on the CSD business 1037 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,160 meeting. 1038 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,200 >> to change them so they can be changed to 1039 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:43,840 commercial. 1040 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,280 >> Correct. 1041 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,600 >> And so they want all of these to be 1042 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,640 commercial lots. 1043 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,360 >> Yes, sir. 1044 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,240 >> Okay. 1045 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,760 The wording that you had mentioned 1046 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,360 trying to find it in here. 1047 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,200 So it reverts it back to the 1048 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,280 if the proposed CSD does not meet these 1049 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,480 three criteria, the CSD must comply with 1050 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,840 the standard CSD qualification 1051 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,680 requirements. 1052 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,280 >> Right. 1053 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,480 >> So we're still keeping the standard 1054 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,880 CSD and then just adding this 1055 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,120 additional wording. Is that 1056 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,160 >> Yes. So if someone were to come in with 1057 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,040 a CSD application for one property, or 1058 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,800 let's say two properties that did not go over 125 acres, 1059 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,040 then they would be subject to the 1060 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,000 50-acre continuity requirement. 1061 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,920 So this is just for properties that are 1062 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,600 much larger. 1063 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,280 >> And this was pretty much because of that 1064 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,400 36-acre parcel, right? 1065 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,280 Because that that wasn't large enough to 1066 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,520 be in it, but we're taking all the 1067 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,800 others in. 1068 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,200 >> Yeah, the the 36-acre park parcel was 1069 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,920 not large enough to qualify for a C A D 1070 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,320 S A C S D by itself. That's correct. And 1071 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,520 so, they wanted to incorporate it with 1072 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,120 these other properties so that would it 1073 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,680 would qualify. 1074 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,320 >> I'm assuming that's better for your 1075 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,880 department if they don't have to review 1076 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,680 four different applications, right? It's 1077 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,280 just all in one. 1078 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,440 >> Yes. 1079 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,200 >> sounds like it's better for the 1080 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,040 applicant as well. They're not paying 1081 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,560 multiple times, so. 1082 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,520 >> And the land use map amendment fees 1083 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,400 when we do a zoning map, there's a limit 1084 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,920 on the fee. The 1085 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,800 highest we can go with a zoning map is 1086 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,800 $6,000. 1087 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,120 And that stops at 50 acres. With a land 1088 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,920 use map, it does not stop at 50 acres. 1089 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,920 So, when we calculated the fees for the 1090 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,240 land use map amendment, we were getting 1091 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,760 up into the I think it was like $23,000. 1092 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,400 So, that that's another reason why they 1093 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,000 submitted that application. 1094 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000 >> I'd rather have a developer put money 1095 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,360 into their 1096 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,400 development than just fees, right? That 1097 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,800 we could 1098 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,080 That's a lot of money for them that they 1099 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,640 could be putting into infrastructure or 1100 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,160 things that benefit our community 1101 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,200 differently, so. 1102 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,750 >> Yes. 1103 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,480 » Okay, any other discussion? 1104 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,240 >> Um I'm good with it. I really am, so. 1105 00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:56,200 >> Okay. 1106 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,600 >> Well, I'll I'll bring this back up again 1107 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,800 at your business meeting and 1108 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,600 so. 1109 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,400 >> Okay. 1110 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,360 >> Thanks again, Andrew. 1111 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,160 >> Okay. Thank you, Council. Appreciate it. 1112 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:05,976 >> Andrew. 1113 00:38:05,976 --> 00:38:07,160 >> [clears throat] 1114 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,480 >> Item D is a water discussion regarding 1115 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,480 interior depletion. This is presented by 1116 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:20,430 Paul Hansen, the city engineer. 1117 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,200 » Thank you, Council. 1118 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,920 You've had We've had discussions in the 1119 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,440 past on water rights and discussions 1120 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,040 but for the benefit of the public, I 1121 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,960 would like to give a little bit of 1122 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,320 background with your permission to help provide a 1123 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,726 little bit of on this. 1124 00:38:38,726 --> 00:38:38,800 >> [clears throat] 1125 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,440 >> Tooele City since 2006 1126 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,160 has Well, let me back up even further 1127 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,440 than that. 1128 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,080 Tooele City deals in water rights from a 1129 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,120 variety of uses and from a 1130 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,200 variety of sources. 1131 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,680 The state Division of Water Rights 1132 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,200 regulates water rights in terms of their 1133 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,880 diversion 1134 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,560 their depletion, meaning the portion of 1135 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,280 the water that's not returned to the 1136 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,160 hydrologic system and return flow, that 1137 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,800 water that either 1138 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,520 goes back into the groundwater or flows 1139 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,080 to a downstream user. 1140 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,800 And And there's some examples that we've 1141 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,560 discussed with you, but irrigation is a 1142 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,560 good example where if I pump 100 1143 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,600 acre-feet of water, the state assumes 1144 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,160 that 55 acre-feet of that water is gone. 1145 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,480 It's removed from the system either 1146 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,960 through evaporation or growth of the 1147 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,880 plant. It goes into the fruit. It goes 1148 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,960 into the product you're growing with 1149 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,280 remaining 45 acre-foot going back into 1150 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,120 the system. Again, just basic 1151 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,160 information. 1152 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,040 State Water Rights policy also regulates 1153 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,160 the nature of use, the point of 1154 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,960 diversion, the place of use, and the 1155 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,680 timing of use. 1156 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,400 And whenever we change a water right 1157 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,280 from irrigation use, we change the 1158 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,520 timing of use. We don't tell people in a 1159 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,000 home you can only shower April to 1160 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,640 October. We say you can do it all year 1161 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,400 long and we're thankful they shower all 1162 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,320 year long, right? 1163 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,320 But all of those items are changes that 1164 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,960 come into it. 1165 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,480 But the bottom line information to it is 1166 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,240 what is the depletion, and there's a 1167 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,400 variety of sources of depletion that you 1168 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,360 can look at, and just a few examples 1169 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,240 that are on your screen 1170 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,360 and for the public to look at. 1171 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,840 As I mentioned in 2006, Tooele City 1172 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,200 filed with the Division of Water Rights 1173 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560 a reclamation effluent permit that would 1174 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,600 allow them to use water from the 1175 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,240 reclamation plant in a reuse 1176 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,520 application. Irrigation is is the source 1177 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,320 we're looking at. 1178 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,840 And that bulleted point reads that a 1179 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,680 condition of the state engineer approval 1180 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,760 is that you cannot enlarge either the 1181 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,280 diversion or the depletion of the 1182 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,560 underlying water rights. 1183 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,840 When this permit was filed, Tooele City 1184 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,880 was one of the first cities in the state 1185 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,800 that had a full use reclamation plant. 1186 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,680 We were the first operating one, if my 1187 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,640 rec- if my memory serves me right. 1188 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,360 And in talking with the state engineer 1189 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,400 at that time, the state engineer said, 1190 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,200 "Because this is such a new use, and 1191 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,280 because you are filling ponds that 1192 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,880 evaporate and doing other things, 1193 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,600 we recommend that you require 100% 1194 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,280 depletion in order to allow the water to 1195 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,560 be used a second time." 1196 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,440 So, that is the policy that the state 1197 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,120 has followed, and we've had subsequent 1198 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,960 discussions with the state engineer's 1199 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,680 office. 1200 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,280 With time, the state engineer's office 1201 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,640 has learned, and Tooele City has some 1202 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,640 additional information 1203 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,640 that allows us to consider backing off 1204 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,543 that 100% depletion requirement. 1205 00:41:37,543 --> 00:41:38,800 [clears throat] 1206 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,080 One of those of of many that you could 1207 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,080 consider is that 1208 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,480 the lakes are now full or are accounted 1209 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,560 for being full, which maximizes the 1210 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,600 evaporation. So, we don't have to take 1211 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,760 as large a hit because of the 17 storage 1212 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,600 lakes at the golf course, 1213 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,040 but we still have other losses applying 1214 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,400 to it. 1215 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,760 Tooele City's current water right 1216 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,480 ordinance has two provisions relating 1217 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,680 interior use. One is that we require 1218 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,880 0.25 acre feet of water per dwelling. 1219 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,280 That number used to be 0.45, 1220 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,880 but this council reduced that a couple 1221 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,040 of years ago based on information that 1222 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,160 the city had. 1223 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,120 The second provision was that the 1224 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,920 interior water rights, and this is the 1225 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,720 way the code reads, had to have a 100% 1226 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,240 depletion, and that's again for the 1227 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:30,599 reasons that we've talked about 1228 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:33,240 [clears throat] in general. 1229 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,040 The schematic represents how our water 1230 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,600 moves through our plant. Again, we're 1231 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,800 still a unique system to a city that 1232 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,240 uses lagoons or traditional treatment 1233 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,960 and releases that are water offsite. 1234 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,160 The interior water goes through town, 1235 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,560 goes to the reclamation facility, 1236 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,480 goes into the rec- reclamation storage, 1237 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,520 and then ultimately onto a reuse type 1238 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,520 application. 1239 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,880 What we're talking about with this 1240 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,560 reduction in depletion is 1241 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,360 do we know better what that depletion is 1242 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,680 between those two red lines 1243 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,080 once we enter the plant and once we 1244 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,520 leave the water reclamation facilities? 1245 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,040 And basically the depletion, we have 1246 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,640 that list that talked about different 1247 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,040 types of depletion, are limited to two 1248 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,480 or three primary items. 1249 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,600 One is the evaporation from the 1250 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,840 oxidation ditches, clarifiers, and ponds 1251 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,600 is still there, 1252 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,120 but there's also in that number two 1253 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,960 slit, I apologize, 1254 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,040 but we also lose water in the production 1255 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,800 of our biosolids 1256 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,280 through either evaporation, 1257 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,200 through the dryers, which was a project 1258 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:44,240 that was discussed with you earlier for an upcoming improvement, 1259 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,560 and as well as the offsite disposal of 1260 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,280 biosolids. 1261 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,920 Now, sometimes the city sends those 1262 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,120 biosolids in a wet form to the landfill. 1263 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,200 If we can dry them to a certain point to 1264 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,800 make them available to the public, we'll 1265 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,880 release them to the public. They still 1266 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,520 have varying degrees of water, but that 1267 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,120 water, thankfully, is not going back 1268 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,640 into the ground. 1269 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,840 It's water that's lost to the system as 1270 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,120 we talk about it. 1271 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,160 In looking at that loss, as best we can 1272 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,840 tell, we estimate that the depletion in 1273 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,920 the plant is about 5% 1274 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,360 of the water that comes through that 1275 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,440 process. 1276 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,400 We have the end use where we still need 1277 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,120 55% 1278 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,160 for sod and lawns and and uses that way. 1279 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,440 And keeping in mind that state mandate 1280 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,240 where they say you cannot enlarge either 1281 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,560 the diversion or depletion, 1282 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,840 you end up with a 60%. The 5% in that 1283 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,960 process, the 55% at the end being that 1284 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,320 60%. 1285 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,520 So, our proposal would be to change 1286 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,800 one word in that paragraph. 1287 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,040 And it would be changing the number 100 1288 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,640 to 60. 1289 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,240 Depletion on that on that final point. 1290 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:01,800 We feel comfortable with that. 1291 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,920 We believe it still protects the city. 1292 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,560 It still allows us to use the 1293 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,240 reclamation plan for its intended use, 1294 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,160 but it's also beneficial to developers 1295 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,440 as we move forward and look and see in 1296 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,680 what can happen. 1297 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,920 Now, the next step would be that because 1298 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,680 this is in title seven, it would need to 1299 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,880 go back to the planning commission. It 1300 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,680 falls under their purview to review 1301 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,120 and to provide you a recommendation. 1302 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,120 It's our intent to take that to the next 1303 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,600 available planning commission meeting. 1304 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,960 It would be later in September 1305 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,720 potentially. 1306 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,120 Following that meeting, we'll bring it 1307 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,600 back to the city council for your final 1308 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,520 consideration. 1309 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,800 Um there will be public hearings 1310 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,680 involved with that. Again, because it's 1311 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,840 title seven and that's why we can't just 1312 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,600 do it next Wednesday and the following. 1313 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,520 It takes a little bit of time. 1314 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,480 There's one item of consideration that 1315 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,360 you'll want to be taking in 1316 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,840 or thinking about, and it does not have 1317 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,200 to be decided tonight. 1318 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,160 But with every ordinance like this, the 1319 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,000 council is asked to establish an 1320 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,280 effective date for implementation. 1321 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,960 So, what happens with legislation is it 1322 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,720 becomes effective on 1323 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,160 this date. 1324 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,240 As I understand it, it is possible to 1325 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:13,800 backdate, 1326 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,360 but I don't know that that's essential 1327 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,760 or something you're thinking about 1328 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,880 doing. 1329 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,080 Um if you were to backdate, I wouldn't 1330 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,600 certainly do it any earlier than 1331 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:22,960 tonight. 1332 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:23,880 Um 1333 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,920 but again, you don't have to decide that 1334 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,320 tonight. That's something you can think 1335 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,000 about and Matt may have additional 1336 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,600 information if you've got questions on 1337 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,280 that. He can best answer that part. 1338 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440 But that's 1339 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,720 basically what we're intending to do as 1340 00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:41,320 we move it through the process and 1341 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,960 following upon the discussions we've 1342 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,600 had. 1343 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,320 Do you have any questions for me? 1344 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,400 >> What what would be the reason we'd 1345 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,760 backdate it? 1346 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:49,880 >> Well, the question would be as if 1347 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,400 somebody provides their water rights 1348 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,680 tomorrow or if they provide their ordi- 1349 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,360 or water rights next week, you know, 1350 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,760 would you want to consider making them 1351 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,800 aware? The other thing we could simply 1352 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,120 do is say, "You know what? Hold on to 1353 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,520 your water rights for a week or two or 1354 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,440 three. 1355 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,880 Let's let's see where the ordinance 1356 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,000 goes." 1357 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,760 At the end of the day, we want to do the 1358 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,640 right thing. 1359 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,160 >> Sure. 1360 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,480 >> You know, we don't want to be punitive 1361 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,080 in any stretch, but that would be the 1362 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,440 only reason, Councilman. [clears throat] 1363 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,240 >> I think it's easiest to say today is the 1364 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,080 start. 1365 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:19,440 >> Yeah. 1366 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,240 >> Just because it's we've talked about it 1367 00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:22,800 publicly. 1368 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,080 Uh so, you're backdating it to the day 1369 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,840 that it was public information, right? 1370 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:28,720 And 1371 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,400 >> Matt, is that Is there any problem with 1372 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,800 that? 1373 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,000 >> No. 1374 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,920 Where we [clears throat] would have to 1375 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,480 worry is if we were um 1376 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,840 uh 1377 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,080 making more of an imposition on on 1378 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,600 private vested property rights. This is 1379 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,720 the opposite. So, uh we can do that 1380 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,560 without um hurting any In fact, this is 1381 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:53,040 a a benefit to to developers and other people who um 1382 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,600 would submit these applications. So, it 1383 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,960 to backdate it actually is beneficial, 1384 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,240 and and we're not in impeding on 1385 00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,440 anyone's right. 1386 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,480 >> Backdating it would mean if you get an 1387 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,440 application from today until we 1388 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,640 officially approve it or vote on it, 1389 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:09,840 anyone in that window, right? 1390 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,120 >> We could make them aware that it's a 1391 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,800 potential ordinance change 1392 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:14,640 and 1393 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,440 >> Talk to them about timing. Yeah. 1394 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,080 >> I would say today. 1395 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,040 >> Yeah, I'm okay with today. 1396 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,720 >> Talked about it. 1397 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:24,200 >> Again, this doesn't take effect till it 1398 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,600 comes back to 1399 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,880 >> as as a formal council action, but just for your thoughts and for 1400 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,520 discussion. 1401 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,720 >> I have a question about So, earlier in 1402 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,880 the slide you had said we require 0.25 1403 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:36,840 acre-feet. 1404 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,280 >> Mhm. 1405 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,120 >> If our depletion goes to 60%, do we have 1406 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,960 do we require less? 1407 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,560 >> You'd require more. 1408 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,320 So, you would you would left my 1409 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,200 calculator back on my my desk, but 1410 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,160 instead of the 0.25, it would be um a 1411 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,120 little bit more than that. It'd be less 1412 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,440 than 0.3. 1413 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:54,720 >> Okay. 1414 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:55,960 >> But, it would add just a little bit of 1415 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,520 additional diversion. And what that 1416 00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,520 really means is [clears throat] is that 1417 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,800 we leave that water in the ground. 1418 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,280 We're not asking people to use more 1419 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,360 water, 1420 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,640 but in terms of that bank account with 1421 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,120 the debit note, you can't increase. We 1422 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,040 would actually account that water being 1423 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,480 left in the ground and not adversely 1424 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,600 expanding our water right. 1425 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,520 >> Okay. 1426 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,320 So, does that benefit the developer if 1427 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,240 they have to bring more water rights? 1428 00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:23,240 >> It benefits them in that they no longer 1429 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,040 have to provide 100% depletion. They 1430 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,720 only have to provide 60%. In other 1431 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,080 words, at 100% depletion, 1432 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,000 you you'd have to go from um 0.25 to 1433 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,560 0.46 or something like that. 1434 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,240 >> Okay. 1435 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,280 >> So, it it does save the amount of water 1436 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,680 right that they have to provide to the 1437 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,400 city. 1438 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,590 Significantly. 1439 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,840 » Okay, are there any other questions, 1440 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,120 comments? 1441 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,840 We feel comfortable sending this through 1442 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,680 the process of good planning commission 1443 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,280 and then come back to us. 1444 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:55,960 >> Okay. 1445 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,160 sounds pretty good. We'll move it 1446 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,000 forward. Thank you. 1447 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,040 >> Thanks, Paul. 1448 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,000 >> Okay, our last discussion item is a 1449 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,840 discussion on the proposed Broadway RDA 1450 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,200 presented by John Perez, the economic 1451 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,590 development director. 1452 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,160 » Good evening, Council. I There should be 1453 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,800 Yeah, there you go. The map It should be 1454 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,680 in your packet as well. 1455 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,480 So, you'll see this kind of Broadway 1456 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,320 corridor area goes from Utah Avenue down 1457 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,920 to Vine Street and then two blocks east 1458 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,800 and west. It includes the museum area 1459 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,440 and it also includes the armory property 1460 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,640 right there at the southwest corner off 1461 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,720 of Vine. Um 1462 00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:40,840 we, as you know, and you know, 1463 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,120 Councilman McColl, he's on the RDA board 1464 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,640 and then the mayor and I, we meet 1465 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,560 bi-weekly 1466 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,080 to discuss 1467 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,440 RDA priorities. And we've met 1468 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,240 with a developer 1469 00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,760 and he has requested that this be 1470 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,320 brought to your attention. And he 1471 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,400 specifically said, 1472 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,600 um we're not looking for tax increment 1473 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,160 at this time, but it would be beneficial 1474 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,760 uh for his efforts and for developers 1475 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,760 for it to be deemed an RDA, if that 1476 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,640 makes sense. 1477 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,960 But I don't have any plans or anything 1478 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,680 else for you at the moment. 1479 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,360 >> How were the bound- the boundaries 1480 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,440 decided? 1481 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,960 >> That was what he requested. 1482 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:27,480 >> Okay. 1483 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:27,680 >> Yeah. 1484 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,320 >> I just wondered on the the Tooele City 1485 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,080 property that there's that building 1486 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:31,680 across 1487 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,520 >> Yeah. 1488 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,320 >> why that's not included cuz it seems 1489 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:34,400 like 1490 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,200 >> Where Where are you Where are you 1491 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:35,960 talking about? 1492 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,720 >> It's uh just north of the armory board. 1493 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:41,880 >> Oh, that's not I don't believe that's 1494 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,560 city property. The The one on the west? 1495 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,440 I don't I it is. 1496 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,960 >> Perry Plumbing. Okay. Can you include 1497 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,120 something that's not 1498 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,880 >> his old building. government property? 1499 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,160 Cuz all that other land isn't. 1500 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,320 You could. 1501 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,080 Yeah, you can. 1502 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,200 Okay. 1503 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,320 Just knowing that building, I think you 1504 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,800 that area could be utilized differently. 1505 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,440 Yeah. So. 1506 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,200 Okay, I'm just curious how they came up 1507 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,720 with 1508 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:12,520 the boundary. 1509 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,080 >> And the developer wants it to be an RDA 1510 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,360 to get some participation. 1511 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,080 >> Not at this time. Not tax increment 1512 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,520 part- participation at this time. 1513 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,000 >> But he hasn't started anything yet. 1514 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:24,520 >> No. 1515 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:24,960 >> Right. 1516 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,320 >> Council, they believe it will help them 1517 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,040 get some federal funding and some grant 1518 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:30,360 >> Okay. 1519 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,480 >> It makes it easier for certain grants. 1520 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:33,360 >> That's what I was wondering if that's 1521 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,080 >> requesting tax increment financing ever, 1522 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,560 not just at this time. 1523 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:38,000 >> Okay. 1524 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:38,360 >> Ever. 1525 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,080 >> But then if they do request that, it 1526 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,640 goes through the different entities, 1527 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:42,880 too, right? Does it have to go to the 1528 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,520 school board and the county and Yeah. 1529 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,320 But see, and I didn't say ever because, 1530 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,581 you know, who knows, right? 1531 00:52:49,581 --> 00:52:50,000 >> [laughter] 1532 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,430 >> I'm saying ever. 1533 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,440 » That's what was my concern cuz I agree. I didn't really want it to 1534 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:57,720 happen. 1535 00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:58,720 >> Right. Right. 1536 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,200 >> But if it allows them other money 1537 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:00,720 >> Yeah, for 1538 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,840 >> I wasn't sure why, you know, so yeah. 1539 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,560 >> There's certain grants, yeah, that can 1540 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,280 make it easier and that kind of thing. 1541 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,360 >> Okay. I'm okay with it then. But this 1542 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,080 could be the only way this area ever 1543 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,360 gets developed. 1544 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,120 >> Developed, right? It's a challenging 1545 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,160 area to develop and 1546 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,720 >> But so much potential. 1547 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:20,360 >> It does have potential, yeah. 1548 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,320 Okay. Any questions? 1549 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,760 Concerns? Comments? 1550 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,760 >> So, the next step, um, it we we would 1551 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,280 bring this back kind of to the RDA. We 1552 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,240 would meet with this developer again, 1553 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:37,320 and then there would sort of be like a 1554 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,440 developer agreement, and we can contract 1555 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,920 the developer can contract that out with 1556 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,840 an attorney and he can put that together 1557 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,680 and then Matt would be able to review it 1558 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,280 but there would there would be certain 1559 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,160 stipulations in the agreement like we 1560 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,480 would want to see this percentage 1561 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,280 developed. We would want to see exactly 1562 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,960 this type of activity in this piece or 1563 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,560 this parcel. So that's all thing or you 1564 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,600 know kind of like an MOU. That's all 1565 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,120 stuff that would still be ironed out. We 1566 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,440 don't have any of that at this time. 1567 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,080 >> But in that MOU does it talk about tax 1568 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:10,720 increment? 1569 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,800 >> Well no cuz we don't have Well yeah 1570 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,000 Well we would make sure that it doesn't, 1571 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,080 right? Yeah. 1572 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,000 >> And then if they wanted to in the future 1573 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,760 they would have to create a a new MOU or 1574 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,640 go before each entity tax entity. 1575 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,440 >> Mhm. 1576 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,840 >> There's a whole process for that. So it 1577 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,640 would be a thing. Yeah. 1578 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,000 >> The chances are that wouldn't happen in 1579 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:31,600 the short term. 1580 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,320 >> Right. 1581 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,680 >> They don't want to do another RDA. 1582 00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:35,200 >> Right. 1583 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,320 >> You know what I mean? 1584 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,160 With money. 1585 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,480 >> But never say never, right? Because 1586 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:41,480 >> True. 1587 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,480 >> People change. 1588 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,840 >> We've learned that We've learned that from 1589 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,680 >> Elected officials change. 1590 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,360 >> Yeah. 1591 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,240 Yeah. 1592 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,720 >> Okay. All right. Any other questions? 1593 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:53,840 >> And I think everybody it's is not 1594 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,400 surprised by this, right? Yeah. 1595 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,000 >> I mean I hope it does help them get 1596 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,720 funding to revitalize 1597 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,080 >> to see this 1598 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,680 main area get developed into something 1599 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:04,480 really nice. 1600 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,800 >> Oh yeah. That'd be great. 1601 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,640 >> Well and just remember that Tooele City 1602 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,720 owns several properties on Broadway now. 1603 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:10,040 >> Right. 1604 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,080 >> So in the MOU we could work out some 1605 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,360 sort of dealer sharing where they, you 1606 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,480 know, develop and we lease land or 1607 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,560 something like that So there are a lot 1608 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:19,640 of possibilities. 1609 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,160 >> Yeah, she's exactly right. There could 1610 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,200 be The mayor's exactly right. Where 1611 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:24,600 could be, you know, it could be a lease 1612 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,040 thing. Could be a purchase thing. It 1613 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,640 could be maybe a lease with option to 1614 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,080 purchase after a certain date or after 1615 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,920 what's developed percentage-wise, that 1616 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,520 kind of thing, too. 1617 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,560 >> It opens up a lot more possibilities. 1618 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:36,520 >> Yeah. 1619 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,040 >> Good. 1620 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,280 Okay. Thanks, John. 1621 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:39,640 >> Thank you. 1622 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,200 >> Great job. 1623 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,080 >> Our last item is a closed meeting. We do 1624 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,800 have a closed meeting to discuss 1625 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,880 litigation and or property acquisition. 1626 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,720 I will entertain a motion 1627 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:51,560 to move to a closed meeting. 1628 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,760 >> Mr. Chairman, I make a motion we move to 1629 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,160 a closed meeting. 1630 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:55,800 >> I'll second. 1631 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,400 >> We have a motion from Councilman Hansen 1632 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,040 and a second from Councilman McCall. 1633 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,400 We'll take it to a vote. Councilman 1634 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,000 Gossett. 1635 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,360 >> Aye. 1636 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,240 >> Councilman Hansen. 1637 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:02,880 >> Aye. 1638 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,840 >> Councilman McCall. 1639 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,200 >> Aye. 1640 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,040 >> And Councilman Frey. 1641 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:05,600 >> Aye. 1642 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:06,720 >> And I vote 1643 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,680 that passes 4-0. 1644 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,200 It is 6:25, 6:26 p.m. now. We will 1645 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,080 recess here and reconvene in the large 1646 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,000 conference room for a closed meeting.