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Thank you so very much. All right, good afternoon, and I'm sorry. Good morning, still. And welcome everybody,

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apologies for a technical difficulty. There's put us 20 minutes behind, but we've got four, I'm sure.

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We'll now move on to item number one, which is the call to order in 1.1, our land acknowledgement. I'll look to Councillor

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Dileo, good morning Councillor. Good morning and through you, Mr. Mayor, good morning everyone.

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The town of Osaga Beach acknowledges it is located upon the traditional territory of the Anashinab, people of the three fires confederacy.

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We also acknowledge that the people of the YN.Nation also inhabited these lands. We acknowledge that these nations were sovereign nations existing before the arrival of settlers.

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We respect the spiritual interconnection among these nations to the land and to the water.

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We also acknowledge that waterways near us have a long history, predating European arrival.

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Since time and memorial, waterways with a lifeblood of indigenous people by trade and hunting routes.

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We are dedicated to inclusivity of First Nations, Inuit and made its people in our future stewardship of the land and the fresh and the longest fresh freshwater beach in the world.

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In the spirit of reconciliation, we welcome the opportunity of learning to be sustainable caretakers of the land and waterways for all future generations. Thank you.

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Councillor, thank you very much. Moving on to item number two, proclamation.

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So 2.150, Simco Pride Weeks, July 29th, to August 11th, 2024.

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That the Council Proclamation, July 29th, August 11th, 2024.

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It's 40, Simco Pride Weeks. Moving on to second round this please.

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We, by Councillor Tim Second, by Councillor White, all in favor. Motion carries unanimously.

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Moving on to 2.2. We have the fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.

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But the Council Proclamation, September 9th, 2024, as fetal alcohol spectrum disorder awareness day.

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Questions or comments? Move on to second, please. Councilor White, to Deputy Mayor, Snell, all in favor?

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That carries unanimously. Moving on to item number three, and disclose your vocabulary interest.

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I have none before me at this time. If at some point throughout our meeting, you feel you have a pecuniary interest, please let us know at that time.

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Item number four is the adoption of the agenda, and I look to our clerk, Madam Clerk.

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Thank you, Your Worship. I've been advice that the Mayor will be bringing a notice of motion.

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With Council's indulgence, we would like to pass a motion, waving the procedural bylaw to allow that notice of motion to be considered today.

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Accordingly, the motions before Council are that the contents of the agenda for August 22nd, 2024,

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be approved as amended, and that Council waves section 5.05d and 6.11 of the town's procedure bylaw to hear a notice of motion from Mayor Brian Smith,

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and to consider the motion on today's agenda under the government relation item.

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Thank you, Madam Clerk. You've heard the question, members of Councilor.

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As for point one, as amended, any questions or comments? Seeing none, move on to seconder, please.

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Moving on to item number five, approval of the minutes, that the minutes of the regular council meeting held July 11, 2024.

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Hereby adopted a circulated. Questions are comments on this.

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Seeing none, member, move on to seconder, please. Councilor Timms and Councilor Ego are in favor.

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That carries unanimously.

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Item number five point two is the special council meeting.

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July 29, the minutes of the special council meeting held July 29, 2024, are hereby adopted as circulated. Questions or comments?

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Seeing none, move on to seconder, please.

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Move on to seconder by council or Timms, all in favor.

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That motion carries unanimously.

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Moving on to item number six, statute of Tory public meetings.

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We do have a public meeting today, which will now, which pertains to 6.1.16.1.

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Three, the public meeting under the Planning Act, the Official Plan and Amendment of OP 00624, and zoning by-law amendment,

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Z-01024. This is respect to 445th Street South.

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This public meeting, regarding proposed application, the Official Plan and Amendment and Temporary Zoning by-law,

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amendments submitted for the Property Municipality address to 445th Street South.

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The application being considered are the proposed Official Plan and Memments and Temporary Zoning by-law,

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Amendment, File number, OP 00624, and Z-01024.

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This public meeting is an opportunity for members of the public to learn more about the proposed

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Development for Council. This public meeting is not to engage in debate regarding the merits of the application.

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Nor is it intended to be a question and answer session.

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It is simply to make council aware of the public comments and to ask clarifying questions.

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No decisions are being made at this public meeting today.

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Please be advised that if you must make a request in writing, if you wish to receive a notice of any decision of council,

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regarding this application.

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If those that have spoken would like an opportunity for the consultant to reach out to them,

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and answer any questions or provide clarification, a consent or release personal information must be completed,

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both forms are available over here to my right.

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Your left, the Deputy Clerk's Table for Completion, and a member of staff will be available to assist you.

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Now move on to the presentation and to start Joe Vines, one of our senior planners,

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on this application will now make a brief presentation, and we'll provide further details with respect to the proposed Official Plan

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and Memments and Temporary Zoning by-law, Amendment, Good Morning, Joel.

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The floor is yours.

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Good Morning, Mayor Smith.

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The members of council and a public who are here both in person and online.

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The purpose of today's public meeting is for applicant presented by premon homes with Saga 2 Inc.

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Sorry, proposed Official Plan Amendment, Townfile Numbers, OP00624, and Temporary Zoning by-law, Amendment, Townfile Numbers, Z002024.

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The associated files for this application include draft plan of subdivision, Townfile number PS00424, Official Plan Amendment, Townfile OP00524,

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and Zoning by-law, Amendment, Townfile Numbers, Z00824.

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Quick overview of today's public meeting, I'll go over the purpose of the public meeting, the planning application process,

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I'll briefly introduce the applications, and also present the subject lands and proposed development.

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The purpose of the public meeting is required under the Planning Act for Official Plan Amendments and Temporary Zoning by-law, Amendment applications.

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Related applications, again, include a draft plan of subdivision, Official Plan Amendment, and Zoning by-law, Amendment.

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Town staff are introducing the applicant's proposals to council and the general public, and the purpose of the public meeting is to provide an opportunity to the public

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for sharing any written comments and making oral submissions to council.

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Presently, in the application process, we have received the application, we have deemed the application complete,

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a notice of complete application and public meeting has been circulated.

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We're currently on the public meeting, and following the public meeting, there will be continued staff and agency review with an eventual staff recommendation to council,

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leading to a council decision and eventually an appeal period.

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A quick proposal review and saves statistics, the municipal address for this, these applications are 445th Street South,

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with a lot area of 298,000 square meters or 29.8 hectares.

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It's a corner lot with lot frontage on Morgan Road and 45th Street South, 582 meters along 45th Street, and 713 along Morgan Road.

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The request to the Official Plan Amendment and Temporary Zoning by-law, Amendment applications,

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are to facilitate a temporary sales center for the proposed residential development.

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The proposed sales center will be one story.

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We'll have a building footprint of 240.8 square meters, covering approximately 0.84% of the total landholdings, and 9.5% of the sales center area.

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There's going to be 14 parking spaces provided with two accessible parking spaces, and access to the site is through one entrance off of Morgan Road.

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Existing Official Plan designation, the town of Osaga Beach Official Plan designations for the property are both rural and natural hazards,

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permitted uses in the rural designation include, but are not limited to agricultural uses, including uses that are incillary to agricultural production,

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and which serve the needs of the local rural population.

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Other permitted uses in the rural category include forestry, institutional uses, and limited country recreational facilities, et cetera.

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Permitted uses in the natural hazards include, but are not limited to passive and active recreation, including golf courses, play fields, forest, and wildlife management, flood and erosion control, and conservation projects.

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The town of Osaga Beach Official Plan designations surrounding the property include residential, natural hazards, and open space.

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And it's also noted that the clear view of Official Plan designations to the south surrounding the subject property include rural and agricultural.

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The proposed official plan amendment would re-designate the subject lands from rural to rural exception as appropriate, and this would be to facilitate the construction of a temporary sales center.

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You can see here the inset, which is where approximates to the entire landholdings the sales center would be located.

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The existing zoning for the subject lands is both rural and environmental protection.

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Permitted uses in the rural zone include, but are not limited to agricultural or agricultural cannabis, cultivation site, or forestry use, but does not include intensive agricultural use.

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Agricultural produce sales outlet, bed and breakfast, conservation use, and accessory uses.

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Permitted uses in the environmental protection zone are included but are not limited to conservation uses and public park uses.

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Surrounding zones include the residential type one zone and residential type three zone, as well as open space, open space floodplain with the urban provision, environmental protection, and again in the clear view zoning by law, agricultural.

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The proposed temporary zoning by law amendment requested with temporarily resowing the lands from rural to a rural exception.

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Specifically this proposal intends to permit a sales center as a temporary use for a time period of three years within the defined area.

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The associated files include a draft plan of subdivision and official plan amendment and zoning by law amendment, and the image in front of you is essentially the draft plan of subdivision proposal.

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Concluding remarks this public meeting is required by the Planning Act.

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Town staff are presenting the applicant's proposal.

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A detailed review of the applications is ongoing but not yet complete, and staff will forward received comments to council.

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staff will also provide a recommendation report to council at a later date.

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When I say thank you it's always a privilege to be able to present and request additional information for this application can be sent to the email provided.

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And the webpage on the bottom there also includes all supporting materials pertaining to the proposed applications.

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Thank you.

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Great thanks very much Joel and we will now look to Brandy Clement who I believe is joining us virtually today.

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On behalf of the applicant to make a brief presentation we should provide further details with respect to the proposed official plan amendment and temporary zoning by law amendment.

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Good morning Brandy welcome.

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Thank you.

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So I need a lot for our presentation here.

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We are going back to our thank you and again my name is Brandy Clement.

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We can just consult in here.

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I'm here on behalf of our client to discuss the additional amendment and the temporary legal applications that have been submitted.

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The ladies are as mentioned that 40453 and it is to facilitate a sale set to use.

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So next slide please.

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The other all hands themselves are located at 40453 site which is also coming with us.

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And morning road as mentioned previously applications have been submitted on your wall.

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And for the official planning.

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So now I'm going to adopt this application.

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And a kind of meeting has been how recent we forward these applications.

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These public rules themselves which are identified on the slide in red are located at the south west corner of the landscape.

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The post for public.

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The site is.

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And the public with these are a 525 AbuDahara 24 years.

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This is out is bridge streets with education packages and other ways.

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What I would call trail.

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And the sun mode uses to be west and south include residential uses.

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These are also located.

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We can touch the coveted community and immediately to the used are the subject lands.

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For the little bit further north it is.

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is we have some more kinds of subdivision that are being developed.

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On the next slide, please.

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So this is the study of the slow center on these subject lands.

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The building's thought points are approximately 2,541 square meters.

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Second layer, as I mentioned, is 2,500 square meters.

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The building of rock coverage is 0.8% of the total of the buildings and 0.5% of the buildings.

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We all set our site plan area. We're proposing for two public spaces to review the accessible access.

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Only for morning roll for the sales center, there is an accessibility there that will be getting up to the front entrance.

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The ones that are approximately are already as well as stored in height. There will be a sign located identifying the location of the sales center.

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And there are many things that are proposed among both front issues. The next slide please.

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So this slide, the other six-foot demonstration purposes, the front and then some internal views of the sales center.

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It will look similar to this. There will be signage along the front facade that will identify the need of the development as well as the developer.

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There will be landscaping proposed around the perimeter building to soften the facade.

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Colise, obviously somewhere will be compatible with the housing that will eventually be built on the lanes of the picture.

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And on large window features that will frame the fronts of the building. The next slide please.

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So the signage as mode of three applications to the town. The first thing that you have to explain in the moment.

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And this will commit the sales center as a use within the existing world designation.

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I took a use by application was also submitted which will document the sales center to use some of the names for three years.

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And then with these applications we've submitted a sign plane control application currently.

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Thank you. If you could go to the next slide please.

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So the proposal for the name of the name, the name of the current, the designated world and as mentioned by Joel.

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We are proposing with our application to designate the names as world exception to the file for the sales center as a use within the world designation.

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Next slide please.

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Currently in the area of the subject names which is identified by the hatching on the slide.

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These lands are a small world. The application for the temporary use file a lot will create the use of the sales center.

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And we are identified that it would be a world exception.

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The next slide please.

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So including the proposed applications can form to the local policy that we face for a world plan and are consistent with the local policies of the potential policy statement.

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The application can form to the town's official plan as well as meet the attend of the town.

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This is a temporary nature is an easy, removed structure. It's not a permanent base.

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The proposed use is compatible with the surrounding uses and will have minimal impact on surrounding uses.

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The sales center itself is not requiring water resources.

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They made it for a motion facility that would be proposed and as well as a temporary high of the sales as proposed.

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The sales center is not using any area that will impact any natural heritage features or cultural heritage features.

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And in my official plan, you can use legal policies as appropriate for the sales center.

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Thank you so much for being happy to answer any questions that Councillor or the public we have.

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Thank you very much for any of your presentation.

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And we'll now look to our clerk. So I got the clerk now and we have any members of the public registered in advance.

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With respect to these virtual public meeting.

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For comment.

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No, your worship we have none.

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All right. Thank you very much. I'll then look to the audience here today.

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Is there anyone in the audience who would like to come forward to speak either in favor or opposed to this development.

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Please come forward to stage your name and address for the record now.

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I'll ask a second time if there's anyone who wishes to speak for opposed to this to come forward and give your name and address for the record.

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And a third time.

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See nobody.

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We'll now move on to council.

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Any questions?

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Comments from council. Council.

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Right.

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Thank you.

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Your worship.

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My question just is just on life cycle.

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What happens to the structure at the end of the three years.

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Let me see some of these still up around town.

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I just want to see is that I can be converted into housing or is that the plan or is this to be demolished for other purposes?

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You can answer.

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Ready?

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Yes. Thank you.

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These structure itself.

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So we're working three years and these structure remain as long as the last house is sold.

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These structures are used for, you know, our client can have other properties.

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So here we've been moved at the time that they fill the last house on the property and it's no longer needed.

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To function.

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And in that area, we're actually proposing within the area where we are citing the set center.

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There are homes proposed.

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And if it will not be a structure that can be very entirely sort of house.

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Thank you, Brandy. Thank you, Councillor.

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Wait a minute.

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Any other questions or comments?

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Councillor Tims.

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Thank you.

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Your worship and through you to Brandy.

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I think I'm correct in looking at the site plan that the.

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Social unit office is going to be right on the corner of county road seven and Morgan.

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I'm just wondering if access has been set back far enough on Morgan road not to cause any slow down on county road seven.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillor Brandy.

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Thank you.

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We have something.

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The structure is all back.

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All the day is certainly something that we could have our traffic engineers look at again.

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We're providing almost double the number of parking spaces that we need to provide.

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So that there is no chance that people will be even parking on Morgan road.

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So we're going to take a look at the hearing along Morgan road.

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But as I mentioned, it's certainly something that we can take back to our transportation engineers and have a look at.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else have questions or comments for Brandy today?

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Seeing.

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Are we able to pull up the site plan for the building again?

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It shows the entrance off of Morgan.

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I think you can go back one.

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There we are.

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So let's show the investment grass off of Morgan.

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How far back is that?

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Do we know?

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From the corner.

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Any other questions or comments?

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Seeing no other questions or comments from Council.

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Thank you.

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Seeing that there are no further comments or questions regarding these application.

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I now declare this public meeting to be here by closed.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Great day.

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Now moving on in the agenda item number 7 presentation.

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7.1.

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We have chair Steve Harlow from the economic development and tool advisory committee here with the annual report.

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Good morning Steve and welcome.

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If there is yours.

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Thank you.

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We'll show the members of Council to.

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Great pleasure to be here.

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I tend to speak very quickly after 30 years of a public servant.

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So like you may or Smith, I'll get to this presentation much faster than normal.

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Like I get the slider here right next slide.

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So about our committee.

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We are an advisory committee.

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I think that's most important to understand.

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We're not operational.

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We are an advisory committee.

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And they do reflect back on when we first met with the mayor.

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He told us three things.

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He said, give us your best advice.

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Be bold.

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And recognize we may not always be able to take advice.

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And that's fostered our thinking.

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Throughout the entire process of the last year.

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And hopefully you'll see that in the report and the work that we've done.

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Our experience of the eight members.

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We've got experienced real T economic development.

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Tourism operators, hospitality operators.

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And that's for myself.

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I was in a system deputy ministry with the problems of Ontario for the last 10 years before I retired.

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And sport recreation portfolio and have over 30 years of hope he has experienced.

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So I'm happy to bring that to the table as now a permit resident.

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And collectively we have about 300 years of lived experience.

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As a tourism or a resident of a second week.

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So you've got a lot of assets that you're responsible.

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Being summary just a quick administrative snapshot.

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All the same.

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We spend a lot of hours investing our time in effort and giving you our best advice.

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This does not include the time we also spent as community members going to things like the beachfront redevelopment workshops.

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Or facilitating management sessions with the tourism destination management plan.

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The council recently approved and is guiding our efforts in the future.

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So you're one.

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Terms of assets one of the first things we did was look at terms of reference that was existing before we.

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The key of established in May 2023 took a look at it and also recognize what were the objectives that the.

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Administration had said to be achieved from a tourism and economic development perspective.

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We reflect on those we made some recommendations in terms of how they should be expanded and clarified and given.

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Kind of more impactful.

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Context and as a result you support those recommendations and we have a new formal committee that also achieves.

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Recognize the economic development importance of the community and we continue to expand and enter into discussions and ideas about how to strengthen and bolster that.

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One of the first things that we did will take a look at the original tourism destination management plan that was established and approved in 2018.

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Obviously things like COVID and complete shift in global tourism economic activity shifted what was.

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Then thought to be the right plan to leave a refresh you support the idea to do refresh you allowed us to retain brain trust to do expanded refresh.

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Over the course of several months we spent hours and hours of time and engage with the community in terms of refreshing that plan.

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You approved that plan earlier this year and we know how a guide document I would argue to take us well into the future.

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We would also suggest that that should be an evergreen plan one that the staff and the town could continue to update and refresh as things change because they will change we know that for a fact.

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The provincial park. Well, it seems to be a current issue these days.

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But we also looked long and hard and again from my experience in the public service I went through all the legislation going back years.

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So we would suggest that a new governance model is critical to the management of the legacy of the provincial park.

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The ones that we look at that are the most successful in an Ontario context are the Niagara Park Commission and the State Lawrence Park Commission.

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The reason why those are successful is because they are under responsibility of the Ministry of Tourism and Culture.

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They are also ones that are separate and distinct from the Ontario Parks Act and are actually exempt from the Ontario Parks Act.

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So they have their own administration, they have their own manager processes and they can entertain a whole bunch of different things that Ontario Parks just can't by virtue of their legislation restrictions.

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We also think we provide a five point plan.

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I'm sure you've all received and seen and it allows us some of the things that you've articulated we've seen such as need for infrastructure improvement.

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We also think that if it is Ontario Parks or whatever the government entity is, you need to put the visitor first and it needs to balance environmental economic and tourism interest in an achievable way.

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So we spent time talking about them about their value but what works, what doesn't work.

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I recognize that there is a need to think about those events and festivals that are relevant and to locals but also ones that will attract tourism.

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And we think that one of the things we should be looking at is separate stand loan strategy and no staff are currently working on that which is great and we're going to provide input into that going forward.

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We also see their value and try to come up with a signature destination, a signature tourism event that will save you to be known for across Ontario and across Canada.

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We provide some assistance and help to the Christmas market subcommittee and it was the first year this year and I think we should continue to work in an efforts to make it even better and better every year as we go forward.

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50th anniversary? Well, I think you guys have had a lot of success so far with 50th anniversary. It continues to be successful.

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One of the things that we focused on was the need for a visual identifier that's being accepted.

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We also had a thought there's still time to do it if you want about having a time capsule built and instituted perhaps the new library rec center at some significant point in time to celebrate the 50th anniversary.

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We can open it 50 years from now when none of us will be here.

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Well maybe a couple of us will.

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Looking forward, obviously we're going to support the implementation of the TDMP.

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Obviously, you know, one of the things we are aware of is the mat.

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It counts like steps of the mat, the municipal accommodation tax.

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We would like to provide some ideas and advice on how the proceeds could be used in a productive way that we supported by the community.

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We also recognized that the beachfront redevelopment is going to shift in the implementation of the TDMP as that progresses and we're happy to provide advice going forward.

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And again, we think it needs to be continually refreshed.

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Festival event strategy. Again, so it was a resource as you've removed forward trails, promotion and enhancement.

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We think there are lots of opportunities with trail development.

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Sailing is one off the bat, how we become more safe with friendly community, river trails.

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I have a personal idea that wouldn't be great if the most successful, if the longest freshwater beach in the world was also the most accessible freshwater beach in the world.

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An accessible, what about a accessible boardwalk that runs the entire 14 kilometers of the beach wouldn't that be something to marvel at?

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Small business strengthening.

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Look at business gap analysis. How can we address the business gaps that exist in great opportunities for local businesses?

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And also start to reach out to Indigenous community connections. How do we engage our Indigenous community in a way that's respectful?

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And reflecting upon the advice that Council gave in July, going forward.

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And we also have the potential to work with our colleagues down the road in Midland and Penetang.

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That has a lot of Indigenous with the statement on here on. And Discovery Harbor, who engage the Indigenous community all the time and their celebrations and activities.

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Information. We really think that there's a need to get a better understanding of what your information needs are to help develop the best promotion campaigns of the marketing campaigns, attract the best people.

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You know, who, what, and why are people coming here? We think there's opportunity for film and live music and would like to provide advice on that.

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And other matters that are requested, and this is probably the most important thing of all. You know, we are your advisory committee.

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What is it that you would like our advice on that would be more impactful and helpful to you as you move forward to your deliberations?

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We'll prioritize the most important areas, obviously, recognize that there's a long list, and we're not going to get through it all this year.

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But we will take a look at the term most of the most impactful, the most important, and move forward. But really is, you know, what is it that we can do to help you support and achieve your agenda and your objectives. And that's all.

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Wow.

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The news, you know, 30 years status, thanks very much Steve.

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That's probably the most intense yet quickest presentations we've ever had, if they're all like that.

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We'd have to do half the work we have to do.

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Thanks very much. Steve, appreciate that and appreciate the work that you and the committee and the experience that you and the committee have.

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So again, thank you. And I mean that I'll be half of all the citizens of Osaga Beach.

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Members of Council, questions or comments? Councillor Tims.

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Thank you. We're shipping through you. I just really wanted to edify you of this morning's Steve, because we're so blessed to have you.

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I'm lucky to be on that committee, and I'm really proud of the work that we've done. You did touch a little quickly on your bio.

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I'm just going to add to it that you became a full-time resident in 2019.

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But you've been a auditor and part-time resident since your grandfather purchased property in 1927.

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So you really understand what's going to be.

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The fact that you retired from a 30 year career with the province on Ontario with the last 10 years being deputy minister with the minister of tourism culture

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and sport is such a benefit to our advisory committee and we thank you for that.

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When Steve was in his capacity as assistant deputy minister of sports and recreation for Ontario, he successfully led bills,

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bids to secure properties like the 2015 pan and parapan amgames, the North American Indigenous Games and the 2017 Invictus Games.

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He has an extensive career in tourism marketing, having worked on multimedia award winning campaigns during his career.

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And we are so fortunate that Councillor Faye Ego knew him from the community and asked him to please put in an application to join the committee.

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So thank you for that, Councillor Ego. Thank you, Steve, for your wonderful work.

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I want to recognize that Peggy Harris is here supporting the annual report and she is also on our EdTech committee and the Library Board.

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She's a former town council with Gray Highland. So again, another really qualified and well-connected member bringing lots of good information to everything that she volunteers with the town.

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So thank you, Steve, I'm pleased to be on that committee. I hope people do get a chance to really read the full report and see the work that the committee has done in the last year.

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We're going about to expand and another member, at least to the committee with a strong background in economic development.

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Because we've expanded from just tourism to tourism and economic development because we're married in this town.

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So thank you, your worship for letting me do that to quick my bragging rights. Thank you.

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No problem at all, Councillor. Thank you for elaborating on the committee and the great work to do in the qualified folks that we have on this committee.

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Councillor Bongey and then Councillor Delia. I don't have much to add, but Steve, we had a deputation at the aim of conference to the Ministry of Tourism culture and your name came up.

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And they were very complimentary as to how beneficial it would be that you are under committee, so just wanted to let you know that you're well thought of.

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Thank you, Councillor Delia. Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. I'm going to go in a different direction. I'm going to ask you a question.

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So you said you wanted to expand the boardwalk that would be your dream to 14 kilometers. Would that be on on the parks the park section or municipal section?

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So again, we're in early concept ideas. So if you take a look at elevated boardwalks, such as the in-way marsh or done in its fill or done in the new market area that go through areas of sensitive habitat.

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So I would suggest that a feasibility study could be conducted that would actually take an elevated boardwalk across top of the dunes who would not harm any dunes would not harm the plover populations.

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It could be environmentally sensitive and you could actually have a wheelchair or person who has mobility issues.

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Be able to walk, cycle, take a wheelchair along the entire 14 kilometers.

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Maybe you have a suspension bridge over the pedestrian bridge over the river. Wouldn't that be a fun activity?

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Again, big boardwalk ideas may have, they need not be possible. But I do think it is a request and not done on reasonable request of the Ontario parks who have invested $41 million in the Ontario Park system over the last couple years.

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And I don't believe our park received anything. So wouldn't that be a wonderful thing to have them have a legacy.

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Put it in their hands, look what you can do on teraparks. And accessibility is a huge issue.

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H-friendly. Can you imagine being able to have some infrastructure built into it so you can just stop photographs, camera and what a wonderful site that would be.

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And what a wonderful thing for us to say is this is the most accessible freshwater beach in the world.

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Absolutely. Anything yet? That sounds wonderful.

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I'll vote for that one. Thank you. I think what's important to note on that point is that when the lands in forest, which then became the Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry,

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started the provincial park here in Wessaga Beach, they did have a elevated boardwalk that went from the mouth, the Nautibusaga River, which is Beach Area 1, the parking lot there into the main beach area.

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It then stopped, of course, along Beach Drive. And then at Beach Area 2 it started again and went as far as Beach Area 5 in some areas I believe.

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So they understood back then how important and how great that was. The problem is, like everything else, once it was built, it was never maintained in the sand, filled in underneath it and it rotted away.

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And so now that's why you see small sections that are still not in great shape. So again, it's kind of called it back to the future, where we know what's worked in the past, we know what can work, we believe in the future and it's an excellent idea.

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Right, I think we have now Councillor Ego.

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Thank you. That was a great question. Councillor Delayel to put out the public and we all get to see how important that we are to have this enthusiasm talent background knowledge working for this town.

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I mean it just shows quickly how these just roll off of you and that you know, and to work with tourism and culture, all of that is so important.

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So you mentioned time capsule that won't go on about this, but I hope we all stick with our little brains here today and and I think about that. So thanks again.

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Thank you Councillor. Yeah, pretty much no.

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Thank you. Worship through you.

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Thank you very much Steve for your presentation and to your amazing committee for all the great work that you're doing.

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To echo Councillor Ego's point, I really like the idea of a time capsule. I think that's a great way to be able to engage our students.

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And really all ages and demographics of our community to contribute to. So I hope that staff to take that opportunity or that your committee continues to flesh that out.

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The other thing I think we have an opportunity for with 50 years of celebrating is 50 years of reflecting on memories, right?

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We've got so many great memories just as your family as a testament as well, you know, for generations who have lived here.

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And I think it would be really nice to be able to have a place online, a page where people could submit those memories.

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And then they could be somehow captured whether it's in a book or a digital read or whatnot to just really celebrate the uniqueness of a saga beach and the rich fun history that we have.

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And also helps to promote really positive narrative in the public right now as well, which I think every community could always use.

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Thank you.

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Deputy Mayor Stellen, any other questions or comments or members of council.

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Seeing none against you, thank you very much for your presentation and all you do with your committee and thank you.

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Councillor Tims for leading that committee as well on council side.

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We do have a motion that presentation by chair Steve Harlow, economic development and tourism advisory committee,

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pertaining to the annual report we received for information. Could I have a move in a second for this please.

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Councillor Tims and Deputy Mayor Stellen favor on motion carries unanimously.

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Moving on now to seven point one point one.

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The EdTech annual report and I believe we have Ted Chrysler.

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Sorry, my mistake seven point one point one the EdTech and report recommendation.

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Which I've just done. Thank you.

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Seven point two.

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Madam Clerk.

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Sorry.

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Your worship.

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Pardon me.

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You were you were right to start reading that motion.

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So staff did provide a report to accompany that presentation.

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So we're just looking for a motion to receive for information.

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Thank you very much. Madam Clerk, my apologies council.

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So we're recommended motion not to be part titled economic development and tourism advisory committee and report to council meeting.

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I'll just 20 second twenty twenty four be received for information.

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Move on a second for this please. Council Tims and Councillor White.

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All in favor?

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That motion carries unanimously.

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I don't know number seven point two.

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We now have chair Ted Chrysler and vice chair Kathleen Caswell.

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In the climate action advisory committee and your report presentation.

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There we are we finally got there took me a while but we're here.

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Ted Kathleen welcome.

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I'm getting worried.

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I was thinking we're just going to have to present another report there for a moment.

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What is yours? Thank you.

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Thank you in good morning Mayor Smith for deputy mayor's snow.

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Thank you.

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Sorry to interrupt you.

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I'm just going to ask you to push the microwave it or back up slightly.

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There we go.

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You did.

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Thank you.

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So I'm used to making my voice carry in the war room.

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Good morning Mayor Smith.

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Deputy Mayor Snell counsellors town staff and attendees.

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I'm Ted Chrysler and I am the chair of the climate action advisory committee.

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We're one of the newest advisory committees for Resolgebic.

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We started late in 2023 and we're very pleased to be here today.

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And here with vice chair Kathleen Caswell and the other members of our committee.

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Our Tom Kutou who happens to be in Australia at the moment and maybe live streaming.

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I'm not sure.

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Andrew Boyce and of course counsellor Joe Belange and we want to make a special shout out for for Joe to say thank you for all the work that he's done.

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For the past several years in fact in this area and we really appreciate his participation in the committee.

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And as well our staff liaison is Candice Bonderjuck who's here today and she is fantastic.

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We love her she's great. She does an amazing job and we just wanted to give her a good shout out to.

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Thank you.

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Hi.

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I'm going to turn it over now to oh there's one thing if you could hold your questions to the end.

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We're going to try to get through the presentation and it's probably would be better to do the whole thing and then have questions at the end if you don't mind.

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I'm going to hand it over to Vice Chair Kathleen Caswell and she'll do the first part of the presentation.

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Welcome Kathleen.

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Thank you.

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I don't know how to work.

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There we go.

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That was easy.

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Okay.

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So as you can see our current objectives are to assist the town with developing a climate action plan and assisting with the implementation of the plan.

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Okay. So what is a corporate climate action plan? Well, it is it the whole goal is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and the plan will offer recommendations and identify policies and mechanisms.

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So what climate action is a process that involves both a corporate plan and a community plan.

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But at this point we are just going to focus on the corporate plan.

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The corporate climate action plan builds on current policies and programs identifying enhancements and new approaches for the town to reduce carbon impact in their operations over the short mid and long term.

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We did quite a bit of research and analysis over the last few months. We've been around for about eight months now by visiting other municipalities.

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So we've researched many municipalities and we are well behind the curve on creating a climate action plan.

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Calling would and Simco County have completed theirs and they use a process called partners for climate protection or PCP for short.

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It's recommended by the province and used by the majority of Canadian municipalities.

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So we have received an in-person presentation from the county and from an expert on PCP process.

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One of the benefits of action. Well, it demonstrates leadership within the communities.

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Excuse me.

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It helps promote what I can beach as a international reputation and it creates a climate lens within the corporation.

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So climate action leadership has a positive impact on our team and community allowing us to adapt to and mitigate changing weather impacts and extreme weather events for climate resiliency.

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While at the same time enhancing our reputation.

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By creating a climate lens culture, there is considerable opportunity to deliver positive economic impacts within the commercial and tourism sectors and also opportunities for grants and funding.

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And what other benefits? Well, saving taxpayers dollars, extending infrastructure life, reducing costs.

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With worsening storm events such as flooding, town infrastructure is deteriorating at an accelerated pace.

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Our recent years over the recent years.

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The cost of construction has been increasing exponentially. This is proven action for reducing

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the liability for taxpayers, insurance company rates in the future will be influenced by the mitigation

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of climate hazards, by the government and the community. What about forecasted savings? So this chart

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came directly from the County of Simcos Climate Action Plan. As you can see, the county is planning

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on making a $40 million investment over the next 10 years between 2025 and 35. With a forecast

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of savings of $130 million by 2050. Obviously, the scale for the town of Wessaga Beach would

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require a much smaller investment. But the percentage return would be comparable. The AU at the bottom

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of that screen stands for business as usual. So they believe that if they continue as they are

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right now, it would cost them $700 million. And if they do follow the lowest cost scenario, which is the

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LCS code there, they would be around $567 million spent on up until 2050. And so that leaves

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them with $130 million savings. And doing nothing is cost prohibitive. Now, the current situation

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is quite good. There's a lot of things on the in the works and a lot of things completed. We're

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very pleased to see the energy demand management plan completed. And there's also a green

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fleet initiative underway. And some of it has also been completed. Like we have some EV vehicles

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and quite a few charging stations. So we're on our way with projects as listed and have many additional

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opportunities for new projects. We believe we are near halfway through in completing all requirements

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for baseline measurements in order to start to work on the corporate climate action plan. The energy

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demand management plan measured energy demand on the majority of town owned buildings at a cost and the

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plan cost the town $39,000 to complete that plan. The remaining measurements to be completed are for

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fleet, street lights, solid waste, waste and wastewater. And perhaps optional and we could include

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commuting and business travel as the as the county did. And in regards to the green flaminging

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issue, which is underway, the confident that Deloitte, the consulting, the consulting

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completing the work will provide us with a baseline measurement and a green fleet strategy by the

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end of the year. The estimated cost to the municipality is 43,000 versus the $120,000 in the 2024 budget,

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a savings of $77,000 due to the grant from the Federation of Canadian municipalities. And now I'm going to

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bring Ted's back here now.

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All right. As you can see, there is actually sort of a feedback loop for membership in PCP. We start with

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milestone 1, which is creating an inventory. Then we have milestone 2, setting a target.

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milestone 3 developing a plan after you have the target. And then of course, milestone 4,

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implementing that plan. 5 is monitoring the impact and you keep going through this loop because things

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change over time. After the presentation from partners for climate protection, we're confident that we are

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ready to seek membership. It requires a council commitment to move through the PCP5 milestone process

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and designate a point person, preferably the CAO or CFO. There's no cost to membership and no

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set timeline to adhere to. Simple County has already joined and just completed their climate action

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plan this year and will now work through implementation of the plan over the next 10 years.

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The benefits of PCP membership are free expert advice and greater potential in receiving government

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grants and funding including FCM funding only available to PCP members. We believe we're more than

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halfway through the first milestone of determining the corporate energy demand inventory, which is ongoing.

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We will soon need to establish the second milestone of a carbon reduction target. The provincial

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target adopted by most municipalities is 40% by 2030 and net zero by 2050.

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Milestone 3 is the creation of a climate action plan which identifies key actions and projects

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in Milestone 4 is implementation and as I mentioned Milestone 5 is monitoring. We would at some

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point fall the same process in the development and execution of a community climate action plan.

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We're providing council and key staff with the Simco County presentation which provides greater detail.

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Some recommended next steps. What we're asking, suggesting to council, is that council

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produce a resolution regarding PCP that they designate a team member as a PCP contact

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applied for a $10,000 embridge grant which is always great to get money.

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Complete the required inventory measures, establish the carbon emission reduction targets,

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identify potential projects and allocate $39,000 in the 2025 budget.

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In summary, the committee clearly understands the many challenges and priorities that council and

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the town team are tasked with and the financial balancing act that's required.

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And we understand that the PCP process could take some years to complete.

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We acknowledge that environmental stewardship is a council priority.

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The green initiative pillar is in the council priorities including the six initiatives

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77, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84. We must make progress through reasonable and appropriate allocation

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of resources both in dollars and human resource hours. We endeavor to be very responsible to both

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the wasogabeech tax payer and town team and are asked to be considered for the 2025 budget.

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We look forward to supporting council in all initiatives relating to the environment and emissions reduction.

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We did come up with to be helpful, a motion for council consideration,

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with a variety of you can see it whereas, but the two main things to take away from this

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is that we're asking you to resolve the council approves membership in PCP which again is free

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and that council includes $39,000 in the 2025 budget for the completion of the

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emission inventory report for the commencement of a climate action plan to ensure the progression

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of council's green initiative priorities in 2025. We've identified some potential impact

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for projects. The solar panels for the tea pound high school and also potentially solar on

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wreckplex, repurposing or sale of the old stars arena, town hall and old library, efficiency plan,

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energy storage units for corporate facilities and wasogabee distribution and enhanced

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green development standards. We clearly understand that there may be financial considerations

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or even financial barriers for some of these projects. There are also countless smaller initiatives

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that can be completed with little effort and resources. The items listed would be big winds

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that may qualify for 70 to 80 percent of government funding. If we were successful in these levels of

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support, the energy savings versus municipal investment would generate very positive returns.

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Becoming a partner for climate protection and committing to the PCP process can greatly improve

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our opportunity to secure government grants. The climate action advisory committee will support

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council and our town team and researching any and all opportunities presented to us and we very much

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look forward to working with the town through the remaining term of council.

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And if you have questions, we're happy to try to answer them now and thank you very much for your time

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and attention. We appreciate it. All right, well thank you very much Ted and Kathy and the rest

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of your team for the work you do. We truly appreciate it. This is new for usogabeech as you know

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but I think it's a fresh and bold step forward to ensure that we're doing our part and there's no doubt

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that there's a lot of things happening and a lot of conversation happening within your committee. I

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can say that because Councillor Bologna sits with that committee. But at the end of the day, thank you

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so much. Questions or comments from members of council? Deputy Mayor Snow. Thank you, Your Worship.

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Thank you very much, Ted and Kathy, for not only your presentation, but your obvious passion

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for this subject matter and doing the great work that you're doing and also congratulations on the

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grant of $43,000. That's a great savings for our taxpayers. The image grant that you mentioned. Can you

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provide some more information around what's the parameters with qualifying for that, please?

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Yes, sure. The $43,000, of course, was the fleet, wasn't by the fleet initiative.

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And Bill just prepared to give me the $10,000, which is 50% amounts to 50% of the spend and so the spend

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we need to be 20 and it's about and they're pretty open ended. You really say anything that will contribute

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to the creation of a climate action team. So we had this idea that we've already spent the

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39,000 on the energy management and conservation plan. And so we talked to Embridge about that and they

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said, sure, money spent in the past could be applied to this program. So if long as we give them

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invoices for $20,000, which would be easy for us, because we spent 39,000, then they would give us

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$10,000, which we've already figured out where to spend it by the way. Oh boy, I might not surprise by that.

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It sounds like a pretty easy ask if to me go ahead and definitely miss no. Thank you, Richard, for the follow-up.

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The other question I had was in regards to the request of the $39,000 for the $20,000,000, $25 budget.

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And then that sort of was specific around the emissions report. You mentioned several opportunities for

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solar. Would that possibly be included in that information gathering or is your committee

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resourcing options for that and hoping to come forward to council with some recommendations or

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pricing or programs that we could do for that solar? So if we could kind of wrap our heads around that,

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option opportunity? Whatever you go. I don't know.

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Goal is to physically have a climate action plan by the end of like soon. So the 39,000 is really just to get

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to that point where we have a climate action plan. Fortunately, there's been so lots of work done,

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that's going to get incorporated easily into the plan, like the energy management for all the buildings.

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But they're still the far-round of work to create a plan. So that's, and that is doing the

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emission studies on everything else besides the buildings, like the fleet. And as was mentioned,

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there's other, there's waste water and water plants that have to be, so you have to end up with this

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big inventory and we feel that's going to cost us about 39,000. And we got that number because we spent 39,000 on the

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energy management one that's completed just for the buildings. And we thought that we would want to spend a

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similar amount to finish off that climate action plan. And physically has something to say, hey,

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we've done it. It's done. Here's our plan. The idea of solar is great. And we would love to spend

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to put some of our effort towards studying and analyzing how we could use solar. But the 39,000 would

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be just to drive us to the point where we got a really great plan for the next five to ten years.

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So that's the thinking. And just to add to that, yes, the committee would be doing further investigative work

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on the solar opportunities. I think that was part of your question as well. And we're happy to do some of

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that like work and help the town out. And I know that that would be a great thing if we could see that happen.

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Anything further than that, you might say? No. Other questions, comments? Councillor Belonging?

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If there's other Councillors that want to go ahead of me, I would prefer that. But I want to do some

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clarification here because I think we're been a little confusing. The $39,000 ask is to complete the

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baseline inventory so we understand our starting point of what we're using in emissions every

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year so that when we develop a plan that we would be able to get credit for the reduction we're doing.

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So the $39,000 is in no way contributing to building the plan. It is creating the baseline measurement

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and there's a fiesta made a $39,000 cost to do that. The actual plans can range anywhere from

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50 to $120,000 in consulting. Some of it is already being...

606
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:17,000
We've done with the fleet. We're not quite sure what that amount would be. We do know that the county joined PCP in 2018 and they're implementing their plan this spring in 2024.

607
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:27,000
So that's six years that it took them to complete a environmental plan to get to the point of implementation.

608
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:40,000
We don't know if it would take that long. Obviously we're not quite as complex as the county, but there would be additional costs in additional time to complete a plan.

609
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:56,000
Some of the things are dynamic though, too. Like I mean, we obviously, you want that baseline measurement, so if we initiate a project that results in reduction of emissions that we get credit for that emission reduction.

610
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:04,000
So you can be implementing portions of the plan before you've actually created a complete plan.

611
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:18,000
But the idea as the county did is over the next few years, the committee would work towards building a comprehensive complete plan for the municipality.

612
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:34,000
That would include, as they said, some low hanging fruits, some initiatives that are very low cost, low resource intensive, but also look at some big projects that could really make a difference.

613
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,000
And then if anyone else wants to comment they'll come back at the end.

614
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:53,000
Can I just build on what Councillor Belange has said, yeah, we need to finish the inventory first. And that's what the funding will help us do, which is a necessary step towards the climate action plan. So if we were confusing you, sorry.

615
01:01:53,000 --> 01:02:04,000
But the good news on the plan is we're not the first people doing this. So we intend to piggyback and save a bit of time. It will not take six years.

616
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:15,000
We've got to move faster than that. We're in a climate emergency. So we intend to look to, you know, calling wood, simple county, other areas that already have a plan.

617
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:27,000
And they're probably great plans and why wouldn't we as much as possible, borrow, right, and move this along faster. So that would be our goal and to help the town achieve that.

618
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,000
Thank you very much. Other questions or comments, Councillor Chains?

619
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:41,000
Thank you. And through you and I'm not sure who will answer this, it sounds like a large body of work that is required.

620
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:56,000
Is this something that you see the advisory committee taking on or would this be a subcommittee or a task force of sorts to complete a project of that magnitude?

621
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000
I don't know who's going to answer that.

622
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,000
Are you referring to the climate action plan? Yes. Yeah.

623
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:14,000
The committee is not got the skills to write the plan. However, we've read a lot of the plans. I think what we would intend to do is provide a fair amount of direction.

624
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:22,000
Maybe create a Frankenstein's monster of a plan that then the consulting to work with because that will also save the town money.

625
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:35,000
If we're using less resources for the consultant. So we're always trying to think of ways to ensure that the taxpayers and citizens are getting the best result for the lowest cost.

626
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:42,000
But we're not qualified to write the plan. We certainly provide as much direction as we could.

627
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,000
I'll can read that if you can. Madam Clerk.

628
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:58,000
Thank you, worship. There are emotions for council consideration that are within the presentation. However, at this time, staff do feel that there would be merit and referring these requests back.

629
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,000
We are starting our budget preparations for 2025.

630
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:11,000
We would like to evaluate the partnership with FCM, ICLEI, and understand what's going to be involved in creating that plan. The human resources involved.

631
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,000
So if we could ask for referral after discussion, that'd be wonderful.

632
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,000
All right. Thank you very much. And I appreciate that. Madam Clerk.

633
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:29,000
Because we are going into budget planning at this point, this is the best time, of course, to make sure that we can get the best out of what we have.

634
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,000
So anything further than council teams, you're good. All right. Anyone else?

635
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,000
Councilor Valange.

636
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,000
See, this is what I told you, right?

637
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,000
I did say it would come back.

638
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:56,000
So to the clerk, it was certainly our intention to refer this back to staff, the reason that we did this presentation to ensure that we were consideration in the 2025 budget for our ask.

639
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:09,000
And but as far as, as Councillor Timms recognized some of the individuals, I just want to make a no one that, of course,

640
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Ted and Kathleen are also the two members of our committee that are a member of the Wisega Beach climate action team, who I can tell you have put in thousands of hours over the last four years.

641
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:51,000
Researching, a lot of things related to the environment, what can be done. And in fact, working a great deal on the education and not, not formally knowing, but in the community action plan, like everything from rain barrels to attachments for our laundry to keep PCPs out of our work.

642
01:05:51,000 --> 01:06:20,000
And so it's just that they have an entire, I can't, can't remember the exact number now because once we formed the committee, I was no longer participating in the meetings, but I can tell you it's it's just great to have so many residents giving of their own time and efforts to move our community forward and to be

643
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:44,000
very environmentally responsible and I appreciate that and thank you on behalf of the committee. And again, I would put forth the motion to refer this report back to staff for consideration for the budget and the other ask of joining PCP.

644
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,000
Thank you, Councillor, and thank you, Ted Kathleen and your team once again appreciate the presentation.

645
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:55,000
Madam Kirk, did you want to read the motion as respect to a referral?

646
01:06:55,000 --> 01:07:04,000
Thank you, Bishop. The motion to receive the presentation isn't within the council table right now, so we will add to the current recommended motion.

647
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:12,000
Firstly, that the presentation from chair Ted Chrysler and vice chair Kathleen Caswell, the climate action committee pertain to the annual report.

648
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:22,000
We received her information and that the council requested resolutions outlined in the climate action advisory committee presentation be referred back to staff for more information.

649
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:28,000
Thank you, Madam Kirk, members of council, you've heard the question in the other questions or comments.

650
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:35,000
Hello, move in the second. Please, Councillor Belange and Councillor White all in favor. That motion carries unanimously.

651
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:51,000
All right, moving on to item eight delegations. We do have a delegation today from Ms. Donna Jedb, the Simco County Federation of Agriculture, delegation with respect to item number 10.4 and this is backyard chickens Donna, great to see you.

652
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,000
And I see Mr. Richie has joined you here as well. They've got good to see you.

653
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:05,000
There we go. Yes. I am accompanied by our president, Mr. Dave Richie and I was all entalled for this job.

654
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:14,000
Being a chicken farmer myself and I am very cautious of things that are going on in different municipalities.

655
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:23,000
You received the letter data January 8. I'm just to talk for this job.

656
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:27,000
You were doing fine, it sounded great.

657
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,000
Now you're going to push the button again.

658
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,000
No problem.

659
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,000
Technology. You received the letter data back in January 8.

660
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:40,000
And I was just looking at it again in 2021 according to the census.

661
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:48,000
There was 930,000 chickens and 71,000 turkeys, grown in simple county.

662
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:57,000
And the production and majority of it was in preview and spring water township, which surrounds was said to be.

663
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:11,000
If there is an avian flu outbreak and we have seen it and we actually have a featherboard command center now that looks after all the infections that are going on in our province.

664
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:23,000
And CFI comes in and they may have to if the barn itself has the avian flu, they may come in and instruct for destruction of the flock.

665
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:30,000
We have in the past had a broiler breeder flock had to be destroyed.

666
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:39,000
Broiler breeder is the farmers that supply us with the fertilized eggs to the hatcheries that supply us with our chicken to grow.

667
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:44,000
And because of that when they were destroyed we were short now.

668
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:52,000
And then we had to look outside of our province to fill our quarters and keep producing our chicken.

669
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:56,000
Ontario is largest chicken producing province in the country.

670
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:02,000
And we account for 34.7% of the Canadian chicken produced in 2022.

671
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:08,000
Ontario chicken industry is an important contributor to the economic health and growth of the province.

672
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:15,000
And over 260 million chickens grown every year by more than 1300 family run chicken farms.

673
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:24,000
And it must add that the quota holders 50% of those families 50% are women.

674
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Processed at 19 primary and 21 custom processing operations.

675
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:41,000
And we support 28,500 full-time equivalent jobs and we generate 5.2 billion dollars in the province's wide GDP.

676
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:46,000
Well production is the production of chicken is a key economic driver.

677
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:54,000
Especially in parts of the rural Ontario economic impact of the industry goes well beyond the county where the chicken farms are located.

678
01:10:54,000 --> 01:11:00,000
Chicken production is one way to add value to the corn and soybeans grown in our province.

679
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:11,000
The it's very complex chicken production and processing just like the provincial economy is a complex is a complex on interacting sectors.

680
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:17,000
And by having a quarantine place put in place it puts the stop the stops movement of the chicken.

681
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:26,000
So myself as a chicken farmer if I was in your quarantine zone and I was ready to ship my chicken I would not be able to.

682
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:38,000
So I would have to now hang on to the chickens put further stress on the birds stress on me because now I can't ship my birds to receive my money and I still have bills to pay as well.

683
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:50,000
So it puts extra stress on the farmers and all farmers are audited every year on the health and welfare of the chickens and also the biosecurity protocols.

684
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:56,000
We are under a very strict biosecurity rules with all the chicken farmers in Ontario.

685
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:03,000
So that's the close notes version of my presentation and I'd be happy to answer.

686
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,000
I hope to answer any questions.

687
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:06,000
Thank you much.

688
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,000
Done.

689
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:11,000
I did read the report and it's entirely was very informative as was your presentation.

690
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:16,000
I'll look to members of council for questions.

691
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,000
I just have one.

692
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:24,000
Can you just or request can you elaborate a little bit Donna on the spread of disease?

693
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:32,000
Because I understand that's the biggest concern with respect to backyard chickens and it's important I think for council to have a better understanding of that.

694
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,000
Yes.

695
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:40,000
The whole flu is the highlighted one and it unfortunately now has mutated itself.

696
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,000
Three people in the United States have died.

697
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,000
It has now jumped to humans.

698
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:51,000
The avian flu and three people have passed away in the United States with the avian flu.

699
01:12:51,000 --> 01:13:00,000
The avian flu is very highly contagious and it's always migratory birds that bring in the disease.

700
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,000
It started out in the western province of BC.

701
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:10,000
That's where we were first noticing avian flu and it's just slowly spread into all the provinces.

702
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,000
So it's migratory birds that bring it.

703
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,000
So we have to be very cautious to bring it fall.

704
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,000
Make sure we're following our protocols.

705
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,000
I think it was three years ago in the UK.

706
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:31,000
People that were pasturing their chickens outside were told that they had to put them indoors in a building for six months.

707
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,000
Those birds were not allowed to be outside at all.

708
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:39,000
The ones that were normally being ranged out in the open.

709
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:45,000
They had to be put inside because the avian flu was so bad in the UK.

710
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:50,000
And I believe it was about six years ago there was a quarantine down in Woodstock.

711
01:13:50,000 --> 01:14:00,000
And truck drivers that were having birds to be processed into Toronto had to view off the floor one and go south and go around the quarantine zone.

712
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,000
They were not allowed to be.

713
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,000
They were not allowed to drive through that quarantine area.

714
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,000
So that's how highly contagious it could be.

715
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,000
So is it airborne or it can be airborne?

716
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,000
Yes.

717
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:17,000
It's true that he sees of droppings of the birds.

718
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,000
That would be a one.

719
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,000
She won.

720
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,000
She won.

721
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,000
She will see.

722
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:28,000
So yeah, and it's usually pigeons, ducks, the can, the geese.

723
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,000
They are all the migratory birds.

724
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,000
All right.

725
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,000
Councillor, you go ahead.

726
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,000
Thank you.

727
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,000
Through you worship.

728
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,000
That just raises a question on the free range birds.

729
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:46,000
But they are accredited farms for raising the chickens.

730
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,000
Is that right?

731
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:52,000
Like they're not all in house or normally with free range.

732
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,000
They are out for a certain time.

733
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,000
And then they're brought in to their coops or whatever.

734
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,000
We have.

735
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:04,000
I mean.

736
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,920
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that great person.

737
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:39,920
I just wanted to clarify on what Councillor Ego said and what you said. Free range are birds that are outside and then yes, they do come outside.

738
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:48,920
The ones that you keep in the barn, so that people know when they go to the supermarket, they're called free run. So when they see free run, that means they're in a barn.

739
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:57,920
When they, but they're loose, they're not caged up and when they see free range, they are outdoors. I just wanted to clarify that's correct. Thank you.

740
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:05,920
All right, thank you, Councillor. Any other questions or comments? All right, Donna. Thank you very much for your presentation. Good to see you. Good to see you, Dave.

741
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,920
Thank you very much. Thank you. Well, and thank you.

742
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:20,920
We do have a motion here that the delegation from Donna Jeeb Synco County Federation of Agriculture, pertaining to item number 10.4, backyard chickens be received for information. Any other questions or comments?

743
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:27,920
So you're going to move on a second. If for this please, Councillor Delay on Councillor Ego, all in favor. That motion carries unanimously.

744
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:35,920
Moving on to item number nine, government relations. I'll turn to our CAO and your meeting for an update to Andrew.

745
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:44,920
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and I'm going to let Sandra, Director of Communications and Government Affairs, kick us off and I'll likely add some comments when she's done.

746
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:57,920
Good morning, Sandra. Good morning, Your Worship. Just a quick update and a recap from our time at the Association of Municipalities of Ontario Conference, which we were attended in Ottawa from Monday to Wednesday this week.

747
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:12,920
So just confirming that we counsel and of course your worship and senior staff attended seven meetings met with six ministers and of course Doug Ford, the Honorable Premier of Ontario, who kicked off our delegations at Amon.

748
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:33,920
We have in preparation for Amon, launched a new website that contains all of our asks, so anyone that's interested to understand all of the things that we were discussing can go to www.wasogabitch.com forward slash advocacy and that contains all of the information about what was discussed in our delegations.

749
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:51,920
Of course, the way we organized our presentations, we're according to all of the strategic large strategic projects that the town is undertaking, including the West, was the secondary plan, the downtown redevelopment master plan, the tourism destination management plan.

750
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:57,920
And of course, the town's called to invest more in the world's longest freshwater beach in Nancy Island.

751
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:09,920
So one of the largest themes was our interests, of course, in terms of unlocking greater value from the beach and from Nancy Island and all in all we had a very receptive audience.

752
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:15,920
And there is a lot of great feedback that was provided to us that we'll be following up on this week.

753
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,920
I'll pass it over to Anna just to get into any more details.

754
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,920
Okay, thank you.

755
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,920
Just building on one of the overriding themes.

756
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,920
And I listened intently to Mr. Harlow's comments as well.

757
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:34,920
And he, he has the inside knowledge, the inside scope having worked for the Ministry of Tourism.

758
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:43,920
We've had approximately a 50 year relationship with the province, an important partner for the town of Osogabitch.

759
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,920
The province owns a corner of the land area of our community.

760
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:56,920
I think it's fair to say that a lot of the assets that were initially created here are in a state of disrepair.

761
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:05,920
That includes Nancy Island, that includes all of the beach areas, the pecking tables, the shade structures, the boardwalks.

762
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:11,920
Apparently there's an amphitheater somewhere out there that was built 50 years ago.

763
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:17,920
I've yet to attend a concert at the Sanphitheater, up in here for 53 years.

764
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,920
I'm not sure if it's actually buried and sand.

765
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,920
But apparently there is something out there that used to be an amphitheater.

766
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:31,920
So one of the things we emphasized that are meeting with the premier and the multiple ministries was,

767
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,920
where are the world's longest for a swan beach?

768
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:40,920
That's right, my voice is fading in and out and I thought I had fixed this over the last couple weeks.

769
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:50,920
We're the world's longest freshwater beach and was such an important partner in the province that controls some of these key assets.

770
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,920
It's time that Osogabitch had some proper investment.

771
01:19:54,920 --> 01:20:04,920
Mr. Harlow mentioned that the province is investing approximately $50 million to create a new urban park in other areas of the province.

772
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:09,920
We're the first urban park and we're not getting capital investment.

773
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,920
The assets are in a state of disrepair.

774
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:14,920
So that needs to change.

775
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:19,920
And with the utmost respect to the district environment, conservation and parks,

776
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:24,920
it may be time to shift some of these assets to different ministries.

777
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:29,920
Again, Mr. Harlow mentioned that the Ministry of Tourism oversees some parks commissions.

778
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:34,920
We all can see with our own eyes what Niagara Falls looks like.

779
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,920
It's amazing. It's beautiful. It's world class.

780
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:44,920
World's longest freshwater beach should be at the same level of commitment and have the same level of investment.

781
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:51,920
So a lot of our conversations were focused on how do we do a reset here?

782
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,920
We've had a 50 year experiment.

783
01:20:54,920 --> 01:21:01,920
Let's set this stage for the next 50 years to ensure that this community becomes truly world-class.

784
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:08,920
And I think that's a bit of a segue into the resolution that the mayor may be putting on the floor.

785
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,920
Thank you very much, Sandra.

786
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:16,920
Thank you Andrew for that information and the update and the information to the public with respect to.

787
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:24,920
I think is in a very successful email for the town of Osaga Beach through our delegations.

788
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,920
It's great to speak with with Premier Ford.

789
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,920
We were very fortunate to have 30 minutes with the Premier.

790
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:42,920
We thought it would be about 10 but he was clearly intent and interested and understood and has committed to coming up to Osaga Beach.

791
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:49,920
His boots on the ground and doing a tour with us and seeing what it is that we're speaking of.

792
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:54,920
So we appreciate that very, very much certainly believes in getting it done.

793
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,920
And we absolutely look forward to that.

794
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaking with the minister with respect to tourism as well.

795
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:11,920
I think he was very clear that he understood and could see that we needed to unlock so many other great things.

796
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:16,920
Here in Osaga Beach and was going to be our dance partner.

797
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:25,920
I think that was his words and work with us to move forward and work with the other ministries in order to do some great things.

798
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:32,920
Bring Osaga Beach back to what it once was and what it should be in that world-class destination.

799
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,920
The amphitheater you speak it was actually in Beach area too.

800
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,920
It's kind of hidden back in there.

801
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:43,920
It sits down in a little gully and there's a hill all around it.

802
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:44,920
It's a great spot.

803
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,920
I do remember a couple of minor events happening there.

804
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:52,920
Many, many years ago back in the early seven, early mid 70s.

805
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:58,920
But I'm going to take a walk there now to make sure that it actually is still there.

806
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:03,920
It was a stage in building with a change area and whatnot there.

807
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,920
And it was hidden quite well back then.

808
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:12,920
It may be understand now for all we know but certainly worth a walk to have a look for that.

809
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,920
So questions or comments from members of Council.

810
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,920
Would you expect to send us comments and Andrews?

811
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,920
Will look to Councilor Belongie?

812
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:34,920
I think one of the real takeaways I had other than what has been mentioned is that our win-win approach.

813
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:41,920
And that it wasn't just us asking the province for investment.

814
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:51,920
All of our plans are so strategic in the province achieving their objectives both in job creation and in new housing bills.

815
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:57,920
And I think that was very well communicated in the packages.

816
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:04,920
And if our residents go and read the information that our director of communication prepared.

817
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:10,920
It was very professional and well done and met are fact in most of our presentations.

818
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:16,920
It was noted how professional our presentations were.

819
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:31,920
So thank you and again I think it's hard for us to walk away without being somewhat successful given how important it is to the province.

820
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:32,920
So what we're doing.

821
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,920
So thank you.

822
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:35,920
Thank you.

823
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,920
Now look to Councilor Tims.

824
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:39,920
Thank you.

825
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,920
I just want to make a comment through you.

826
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:50,920
I think it was very exciting that at least two of the ministers had vacationed in Musaga Beach over the summer and we're very complimentary.

827
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,920
But actually new for themselves what our situation is here.

828
01:24:54,920 --> 01:25:02,920
And many, many people that I spoke to in passing at the conference also told me they had been to Musaga Beach.

829
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,920
So you know our tourism is building and that's pretty exciting.

830
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:07,920
So thank you.

831
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:08,920
Thank you.

832
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,920
Thank you.

833
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:13,920
Thank you and through your worship.

834
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:25,920
Yes it was very interesting fantastic reception we received but I guess I'm going to any residents watching this or spread the word out there is what I would like to say.

835
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:34,920
In particular it's a lengthy report but we all talk about transportation in this town and traffic issues.

836
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:42,920
The town invested largely in that western study and it has been put together really succinctly.

837
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:47,920
I think it are report and that is available for the western study plan.

838
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:59,920
And so for people understand that how we are so working so diligently here to pull this town together not to have it divided but to have transportation for all.

839
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:06,920
And I think that it is a lengthy read but it's a great read so I want to thank the town for doing that.

840
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:07,920
Thank you.

841
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,920
Thank you.

842
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:10,920
Thank you.

843
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,920
I echo a lot of the comments that my colleagues have made.

844
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:21,920
Just in regards to how proud to be there and and how well received by the ministers.

845
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:27,920
With the information there was there was empathy there was understanding there was lived experience that was recent.

846
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:34,920
So they knew for themselves what we were going up against and I just really want to commend Andrew for your presentation style.

847
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,920
You do so well in unpackaging a story.

848
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,920
You're able to.

849
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:47,920
And when you're speaking about the saga beach you speak so truly from your heart.

850
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:52,920
And I think you did such a great job in relying the important messages.

851
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,920
And thank you as well to Sandra the packages were phenomenal.

852
01:26:55,920 --> 01:27:00,920
They looked fantastic and I agree each one of them went, wow, these are slick.

853
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:01,920
These are nice.

854
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:02,920
This looks good.

855
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:08,920
So that's an important and getting our message out there is what does the package look like and we looked phenomenal these last few days.

856
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:09,920
Thank you.

857
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:14,720
Thank you, Deputy Mayor Snell, and again, I reiterate all of those comments and thank you

858
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,040
staff for a great, great job.

859
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,040
Interesting.

860
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:28,800
We also met, of course, with the infrastructure, Ontario, which was very well received and

861
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,960
also transportation.

862
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:39,800
We did speak length with them with respect to the West Secondary Plan and most importantly,

863
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:46,160
each would road and the issues of flooding and traffic and so on with respect to that.

864
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,560
And they were very receptive, they understood it, they've asked us to send them some

865
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:54,160
information, which we are already starting to package and put together.

866
01:27:54,160 --> 01:28:00,920
So all in all, great conference enjoyable in many ways, and thanks to Council for every member

867
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,320
of Council attending as well.

868
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,240
But staff most importantly, as always, for the great work that you do for the citizens of

869
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:08,240
Osaga Beach.

870
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:12,040
The following report, I have been, sorry, I better go back up and do this motion that the

871
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:21,960
delegation government relations has no motion, so I'm going to turn now to our clerk with respect

872
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:26,880
to a motion that I have and then I'll turn the chair over to Deputy Mayor Snell while I present

873
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:27,880
that motion.

874
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:28,880
Madam Clerk.

875
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:29,880
Thank you, Your Worship.

876
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,120
You actually just clarified that very well.

877
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:38,720
If you would like to turn the floor over to the Deputy Mayor and you could provide your

878
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:39,720
motion.

879
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:40,720
All right.

880
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:44,600
Here by turn the chair over to you, Madam Deputy Mayor, if I may read my motion.

881
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,600
Thank you very much, please proceed.

882
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:47,600
Thank you.

883
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:52,200
This is a notice of motion to a day to day August 22nd, 2024, with respect to the Osaga Beach

884
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:57,960
Provincial Park, whereas the Park Management Plan of the Plan for Osaga Beach Provincial Park,

885
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:03,400
that was established on June, in June, 1978, focused on supporting recreation, tourism,

886
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:08,640
and economic growth within the town of Osaga Beach, and whereas Provincial land holdings

887
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:13,680
in Osaga Beach are largely under the control of the Ministry of Environment, Conservation

888
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:16,440
and Parks, the MECP.

889
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:22,160
And whereas the MECP has unilaterally shifted, the mandate of the Osaga Beach Provincial Park

890
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:27,440
to focus on environmental sustainability while largely ignoring the other two pillars of

891
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:33,440
sustainability, the social and economic pillars that resulted in the loss of focus

892
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:37,600
on supporting recreational tourism and economic growth.

893
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:44,520
And whereas the shift in the MECP focus has contributed to a significant loss in tourists.

894
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:50,480
And whereas the MECP infrastructure, parking lots, washrooms, shade structures, picnic

895
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:53,200
tables, playgrounds, etc.

896
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:58,240
And Nancy Island Historic Site have fallen into a state, a district pair, with portions

897
01:29:58,240 --> 01:29:59,960
of Nancy Island currently closed.

898
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,780
To the public, because of the state of disrepair. And where, as despite the plan, acknowledging that

899
01:30:05,780 --> 01:30:11,120
was saga of each provincial park is unique, as a result of it being the first urban provincial

900
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:16,700
park in Ontario, located entirely within the boundary of the town of was saga beach, and

901
01:30:16,700 --> 01:30:23,500
the town has been subject to harmful broad brush policies, regulations, and management practices

902
01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:28,300
that are being applied across the province that are oftentimes out of touch with the unique

903
01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:36,460
needs and context of was saga beach. And whereas the commitment outlined in the 1978 plan,

904
01:30:36,460 --> 01:30:41,800
to revisit the plan every five years to ensure that the vision of the municipality and

905
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:49,040
the operating practices of the province remain in sync, has not occurred. And whereas the province

906
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:54,220
also on significant land holdings outside of beach areas, and environmentally sensitive

907
01:30:54,220 --> 01:31:03,020
lands that were once developed with homes and businesses. And that have now sat derelict for almost

908
01:31:03,020 --> 01:31:09,280
fifty years contributing very little to nothing to the town's assessment base. And whereas

909
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:15,600
the MACP unilaterally created the was saga beach provincial park boundary, in the mid 1990s that

910
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:21,500
brought provincially owned, municipal owned, and privately owned lands inside the park boundary.

911
01:31:21,500 --> 01:31:28,100
And despite property acquisitions being incomplete, the MACP is a starting ownership over these lands

912
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:33,260
without providing fair compensation. Therefore, we have resolved that the town of was saga beach

913
01:31:33,260 --> 01:31:39,140
requests that a task force be immediately struck, with representatives from the town of was saga beach,

914
01:31:39,140 --> 01:31:44,340
the Ministry of Environment, Conservation, and Parks, MACP, and the Ministry of Tourism,

915
01:31:44,340 --> 01:31:51,140
Culture, and Gaming, the MTCG, and the Ministry of Infrastructure, Infrastructure, Ontario, to review

916
01:31:51,140 --> 01:31:56,380
all provincial land holdings within was saga beach and determined which land should be transferred

917
01:31:56,380 --> 01:32:05,100
out of the MACP portfolio and put into either the MTCG or I.O. or the town's portfolio

918
01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:12,300
sorry, by Q1 of 2025, at minimum, the town request that Nancy Island being beach areas

919
01:32:12,300 --> 01:32:18,540
one and two, a portion of beach area four, and all of the remaining non-beach area and non-environment

920
01:32:18,540 --> 01:32:25,300
of the sensitive parcels of land, be transferred out of the MACP portfolio. And further that, the

921
01:32:25,300 --> 01:32:31,020
province work with the town of was saga beach to create an update master plan, and funding

922
01:32:31,020 --> 01:32:35,980
strategy to reinvent was saga beach provincial park, and invest in new infrastructure that

923
01:32:35,980 --> 01:32:41,460
will assist the town in becoming a world-class community and tourist destination worthy of being

924
01:32:41,460 --> 01:32:48,260
located along the world's longest freshwater beach. And further that, the province, infrastructure

925
01:32:48,260 --> 01:32:56,860
Ontario, and the MTCG, and the town collaborate to unlock the value. In understand, it's

926
01:32:56,860 --> 01:33:02,100
a story in underutilized and derelict provincial lands, and pursue highest-invest uses for

927
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:09,020
these lands in line with the town and province of provincial objectives. And further that, all non-provincial

928
01:33:09,020 --> 01:33:14,580
own lands currently located within was saga beach, provincial park boundary, be removed, and that the

929
01:33:14,580 --> 01:33:21,460
park boundary be adjusted in other locations to facilitate new development at the main beachfront.

930
01:33:21,460 --> 01:33:27,260
Further that, a copy of this resolution be sent to the Honourable Doug Ford, premier of Ontario,

931
01:33:27,260 --> 01:33:32,220
the Honourable Andrea Kanjyn, Minister of Environment, Conservation and Parks, the Honourable

932
01:33:32,220 --> 01:33:37,540
Stephen Chow, Minister of Tourism, Culture and Gaming, and the Honourable Kinggaard Serma, Minister

933
01:33:37,540 --> 01:33:45,580
of Infrastructure, MPP, Brian Sonderson, and the County of Simp Go.

934
01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:49,340
That's on by myself. That is my motion.

935
01:33:49,340 --> 01:33:50,340
Thank you.

936
01:33:50,340 --> 01:33:55,380
Thank you, Your Worship. You've heard that very detailed motion. Are there any comments or questions

937
01:33:55,380 --> 01:33:59,220
from Council?

938
01:33:59,220 --> 01:34:05,660
Seeing none, I just have one quick comment. I could not agree any more with your further

939
01:34:05,660 --> 01:34:12,060
more with your motion, especially given the efforts and focus of not only this Council, but

940
01:34:12,060 --> 01:34:17,380
the staff in regards to beautification in our community. So if we were successful in achieving

941
01:34:17,380 --> 01:34:22,420
your ask, how beautiful would that be for our residents to have both sides of our community

942
01:34:22,420 --> 01:34:24,820
very focused on beautification?

943
01:34:24,820 --> 01:34:28,580
Okay, so seeing that thing out, obviously it's moved by Mayor Smith. Can I get a second

944
01:34:28,580 --> 01:34:34,580
there? Councillor Bologna, all those in favour? And that carries unanimously. I'll pass the floor

945
01:34:34,580 --> 01:34:35,580
back to you, please.

946
01:34:35,580 --> 01:34:40,300
Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Mayor, and thank you, Council, for that support and staff

947
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:43,940
for helping prepare that motion. Madam Clerk?

948
01:34:43,940 --> 01:34:48,220
Thank you, Your Worship. And before we go over to staff reports, I just wanted to advise that

949
01:34:48,220 --> 01:34:54,220
I've been told that Edm 10.4, dealing with back-air check-ins, is no longer pulled. It'll

950
01:34:54,220 --> 01:34:59,060
be just for comment, so that will be considered under consent staff reports.

951
01:34:59,060 --> 01:35:04,620
All right, thank you. I think it's also important before we move along from here. It's important

952
01:35:04,620 --> 01:35:10,620
to note that MPP Brian Saunderson, the MPP for Sympka Gray, was at Emma was well and did join

953
01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:16,700
us on many of our delegations and was in support of what it is. We're sorry to be just trying

954
01:35:16,700 --> 01:35:22,900
to do and has been helping us to get these delegations set up and to help us as we go through

955
01:35:22,900 --> 01:35:30,620
this process to recreate what we're so good each once was. And we thank him very much for

956
01:35:30,700 --> 01:35:36,380
his efforts. Okay, moving on now to item number 10 staff reports. The following reports have been

957
01:35:36,380 --> 01:35:46,180
pulled and moved to matters for consideration to be voted on separately. 10.2, 10.3, 10.5, 10.6, 10.13, and 10.14.

958
01:35:46,180 --> 01:35:53,340
And before we move along, I'm going to look to Deputy Fire Chief Dan Bell, joining us here today,

959
01:35:53,380 --> 01:36:00,340
who will comment on 10.5 and 10.6, Mr. Deputy Chief, welcome. Thank you, Mr. Mayer,

960
01:36:00,340 --> 01:36:07,780
through you. I'm pleased to present the reports for Joe, sorry, June and July from the Fire

961
01:36:07,780 --> 01:36:14,060
Department. June is always a busy month for the Fire Department, highlighted by a couple of

962
01:36:14,060 --> 01:36:18,020
items. We had our second meeting in the open house, which was open to the public and was

963
01:36:19,020 --> 01:36:25,220
wonderfully attended. A lot of people attend. It was amazing. We had a couple of water

964
01:36:25,220 --> 01:36:30,020
training sessions. We had both the way first nation, which visited us as well as the Canadian

965
01:36:30,020 --> 01:36:35,300
Coast Guard to add a number of training sessions with them, where they were recibulated the

966
01:36:35,300 --> 01:36:42,580
emergency zip in the bay and worked together and did that. Book ended by a visit on June 25th by

967
01:36:42,580 --> 01:36:49,380
Mr. General Cutsner, came visited with the mayor and we were able to grab half an hour

968
01:36:49,380 --> 01:36:55,540
with him. He was very distracted by the shiny red trucks, and he was very happy about how clean

969
01:36:55,540 --> 01:37:03,380
and everything was. We had a good little visit as quick as it was. July was another busy month

970
01:37:03,380 --> 01:37:11,380
for us. We ran 217 incidents, and at this point in August we were about 110 incidents higher than

971
01:37:11,380 --> 01:37:16,580
we had been previously. Again, we see that upwards trend of incidents that we get called to.

972
01:37:16,580 --> 01:37:24,340
We hosted the staff, but over here at Station 1, and just a couple of notes that we have an open

973
01:37:24,340 --> 01:37:29,220
recruitment for volunteer firefighters that has been open to the public and spread widely on our social

974
01:37:29,220 --> 01:37:38,180
media platforms and in print media. That is open until September 20th. Just to wrap it up, just remind

975
01:37:38,180 --> 01:37:44,420
everyone in council chambers or who is listening online that the end of summer rapidly approaching

976
01:37:44,420 --> 01:37:50,340
and drivers should be aware of school bosses and young children excited about returning to school in around

977
01:37:50,340 --> 01:37:55,620
the roadways. For those with all of our students going away to college university, please make sure that

978
01:37:55,620 --> 01:38:00,820
you will that they are protected in their province or residences with working small glimes and

979
01:38:00,820 --> 01:38:06,020
carbon dioxide learns. That is all I have. Thank you, Worship. Thank you very much, Deputy Chief.

980
01:38:06,020 --> 01:38:12,660
Any questions or comments for the deputy? Right. Seeing none, Deputy just 110 calls said,

981
01:38:12,660 --> 01:38:16,820
you know, were most of those medical, were they, did you have any breakdown on that?

982
01:38:17,460 --> 01:38:25,220
I do start in June. We ran, sorry, that's July's. In June, we ran 1292 incidents,

983
01:38:25,300 --> 01:38:34,660
139 of those are medical calls and in July we ran 217 calls and 141 of those are medical. So we still

984
01:38:34,660 --> 01:38:44,340
do have a high medical response that we that we do respond to. We do see speaking with provincial

985
01:38:44,340 --> 01:38:49,940
parks, we do see with more people on the beach, we do see more medical calls along the beach. And

986
01:38:50,900 --> 01:38:57,860
not all, not all, you know, water related. Some people get overheated quickly as around the

987
01:38:57,860 --> 01:39:03,940
beach and in the area. So our medical calls are again, are increasing as well as our coal volume itself.

988
01:39:05,300 --> 01:39:09,300
All right. Well, you and the team do a great job and we're appreciative of having you there. So thank

989
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:14,980
you, Deputy Chief. All right. I understand the deputy mayor, you want to comment on an item 10.1.

990
01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:21,220
Yes. Thank you. Your worship. I just wanted to comment on a few points of the Capitol

991
01:39:21,220 --> 01:39:26,820
works update. Thank you for such a great detailed report. Obviously, there's a lot of work underway

992
01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:34,500
in the community. Wanted to reference 72 river rodis, the new park that's there, the community park.

993
01:39:34,500 --> 01:39:40,180
I drove past it yesterday and probably went 334 o'clock. There's probably at least a dozen people

994
01:39:40,180 --> 01:39:46,820
actively playing. So that park is getting great use in spite of its unique location. So I think

995
01:39:46,820 --> 01:39:53,300
that was spot on and I'm really happy to see that you're considering no parking signs to keep the

996
01:39:53,300 --> 01:39:58,500
beach goers from using those spaces. Also two just to point to our residents if you didn't have the

997
01:39:58,500 --> 01:40:03,460
chance to read the report, you know, just in this council's term alone for new parks have been invested

998
01:40:03,460 --> 01:40:09,460
in this community. And I think that's fantastic for balance, recreation and keeping our residents active.

999
01:40:10,020 --> 01:40:15,700
And if you would be able to confirm whether or not Kevin, the River Road West

1000
01:40:16,580 --> 01:40:22,260
urbanization obviously, great job. They're doing a phenomenal job. Are we still ahead of schedule as

1001
01:40:22,260 --> 01:40:29,300
as was shared previously in public? Thank you through you, Mr. Mayor. Deputy Mayor Sonalias, the

1002
01:40:29,700 --> 01:40:36,660
GOP contractor has worked out quite well today. They have advanced their construction schedule to a point

1003
01:40:36,660 --> 01:40:43,300
where our goal collectively is to have base course asphalt on this year and hopefully both sides

1004
01:40:43,300 --> 01:40:49,620
of sidewalk before the onset of winter. So right now you'll see them feverously working in front of

1005
01:40:49,620 --> 01:40:56,100
the school. They want to have the sidewalks in that area prepared in advance of the opening of the school.

1006
01:40:56,100 --> 01:41:01,780
So they've got several crews in front of Birchview dunes right now trying to get the curb down in the

1007
01:41:01,780 --> 01:41:08,820
asphalt pavement. So we don't disrupt the flow of the school buses and the kids in the next week or so.

1008
01:41:09,700 --> 01:41:16,340
But yes, they do have a very progressive schedule that we're hopeful we can, we don't find too many surprises

1009
01:41:16,340 --> 01:41:19,940
moving forward, not going on wood. There's still underground utilities and some other

1010
01:41:21,060 --> 01:41:28,500
things that that do create some delays. But overall they've progressed quite well and the contract is gone

1011
01:41:28,900 --> 01:41:36,660
has gone well as well. Thank you for just a quick comment. Super happy to hear that that those

1012
01:41:36,660 --> 01:41:42,020
sidewalks have the goal of being laid in time for school opening and that they're being mindful to

1013
01:41:42,020 --> 01:41:47,940
to make that area as safe as possible. So thank you very much. That's a great update and report.

1014
01:41:48,980 --> 01:41:55,060
No doubt what a great thing to see that the kids going to school at Birchview dunes along River Road West

1015
01:41:55,060 --> 01:42:01,380
are going to have some safe travel in order to get there and that that is so important. It's been

1016
01:42:02,180 --> 01:42:06,260
it's been very concerning over the last many years by many councils with respect to the safety of

1017
01:42:06,260 --> 01:42:11,620
kids along that corridor or so. Other questions or comments on the reports from the consent of

1018
01:42:11,620 --> 01:42:18,740
Jenna Councillor Tim? Yes, you were ship and I apologize when back up chickens was pulled. I didn't

1019
01:42:18,740 --> 01:42:24,820
add my name to pulling it and I wonder if that item could also be pulled for separate discussion.

1020
01:42:25,940 --> 01:42:33,700
Yes, we can do that. Thank you Councillor Councillor White. Yes, I apologize for the confusion on that.

1021
01:42:33,700 --> 01:42:41,540
I had pulled that item and then reduced that to a comment so I'll reserve that comment now for that item being

1022
01:42:41,620 --> 01:42:51,620
pulled. You speak in about chickens. Thank you Councillor. Any other comments on items on the

1023
01:42:51,620 --> 01:42:57,780
consent agenda? All right, see none of the, do you have a motion at the consent agenda?

1024
01:42:57,780 --> 01:43:02,740
List items under staff reports and all recommendations contained their envy adopted excluding

1025
01:43:02,740 --> 01:43:08,740
agenda items pulled from the motion and moved to matters for consideration to be voted on separately.

1026
01:43:08,740 --> 01:43:12,580
Could I move it a second or for this please? Well, I count for a white second by Deputy Mayor

1027
01:43:12,580 --> 01:43:21,700
Snell, all in favor. Carriage unanimously. We'll be on to item number 11 correspondence, 11.1.

1028
01:43:23,060 --> 01:43:27,460
The following correspondence I've been pulled and moved to matters for consideration to be voted on separately.

1029
01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:36,900
One, 11.14. And then we do have a recommendation that the consent lists items under correspondence

1030
01:43:36,900 --> 01:43:42,580
be received for information excluding agenda items pulled from the motion and moved to matters

1031
01:43:42,580 --> 01:43:46,660
of consideration and voted on separately. A move on a second for this please.

1032
01:43:46,660 --> 01:43:52,820
Move by Councillor Delayo, a second by Councillor Timbs, all in favor. That motion carries unanimously.

1033
01:43:53,540 --> 01:44:02,260
And now moving on to minutes of board meetings. We do have a 12.1 and a motion at the consent list

1034
01:44:02,260 --> 01:44:07,300
items under minutes of board meetings and committees be received for information. Any questions or

1035
01:44:07,300 --> 01:44:12,820
comments here? Move on a second for this please. Move by Councillor White, second by Councillor Ego, all in favor.

1036
01:44:13,380 --> 01:44:20,340
That motion carries unanimously. And moving on to item number 13 matters for consideration.

1037
01:44:21,300 --> 01:44:27,460
We have several items pulled. I will start with the first item. Safe routes for school children and this is

1038
01:44:27,460 --> 01:44:34,340
pulled by Councillor Bologna, a Councillor Bologna. Yes, thank you through your worship.

1039
01:44:36,340 --> 01:44:45,620
If Councillor recalls, when we received the deputation related to this group was pretty passionate

1040
01:44:45,620 --> 01:44:54,020
about safe routes to school as I am I and reading the report which they have been waiting

1041
01:44:54,020 --> 01:45:00,580
considerable period of time for. There was a quick hit.

1042
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,000
Senator, there of extending the safety zones. And I had a conversation with our General Manager of Public Works, and he had indicated in the report.

1043
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:22,000
And to me that that would be something that they're willing to do. There were some other things that we felt weren't required.

1044
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:38,000
But I wanted to motion that Council vote on extending the safety zones today, so that hopefully we could, if not, getting it done before winter, could have that done by springtime.

1045
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:46,000
Thank you, Councillor. Any comments? Madam Deputy Clerk?

1046
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:54,000
Thank you, Your Worship. If Council is agreeable to that, we don't have a mover and seconder on the table.

1047
01:45:54,000 --> 01:46:09,000
Councillor, I'm not sorry, Belongie. He could put a motion forward that the report titled Safe Roots to schools for children to the council meeting of August 22, 2024.

1048
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:21,000
And that the Director of Public Works be directed to bring back a Bala increasing the community safety zones around all the mentoring schools to 250 minors.

1049
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,000
Give it that Councillor.

1050
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:29,000
Move by Councillor Belongie, seconded by Deputy Mayor Snell, all in favor.

1051
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:33,000
Chair, a recorded vote. Yes.

1052
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:43,000
Well, that was like a switch out here on the church. I looked down and it looked back and it looks easy back.

1053
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:46,000
All right, we'll be a recorded vote, then Madam Deputy Clerk.

1054
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:52,000
No problem, and you know what I'm going to do, because I don't have my recorded vote sheet in front of me. Oh, there we go. Never mind.

1055
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,000
Councillor Belongie and favor.

1056
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,000
And favor.

1057
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:57,000
Councillor Delay on favor.

1058
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:58,000
And favor.

1059
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,000
Councillor Eagle and favor against in favor.

1060
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:04,000
Okay, Councillor. Sorry, Deputy Mayor Snell and favor against.

1061
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,000
In favor.

1062
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:08,000
Okay, Councillor Tims and favor against.

1063
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,000
In favor.

1064
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,000
Okay, Councillor White and favor against.

1065
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:12,000
In favor.

1066
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,000
And mayorsmith and favor.

1067
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:17,000
Okay, awesome. It's carries unanimously.

1068
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:18,000
Thank you.

1069
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,000
You're welcome.

1070
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:21,000
All right, switch again.

1071
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:24,000
So I know who's in the chair. Good. All right.

1072
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:28,000
Moving on to the next item, then.

1073
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:31,000
Was sagas stars arena six month booking update.

1074
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,000
This was pulled by Councillor Ego.

1075
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,000
Councillor Ego. Correct.

1076
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:36,000
Councillor Ego.

1077
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:37,000
Thank you. Thank you.

1078
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:38,000
Your worship.

1079
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,000
Yes, Chris. Thanks for this report.

1080
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:44,000
I have one blazing question that I always have.

1081
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:47,000
And I have it from a resident or some residents as well.

1082
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:57,000
The main one is the traffic studies on facilities say that in the first six months,

1083
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,000
168,000 plus.

1084
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:06,000
So does that figure include all our grand opening events, our concerts,

1085
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,000
all of that?

1086
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,000
Are those figures in there?

1087
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:12,000
Yes, they do.

1088
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:15,000
Those happened in maybe the second week.

1089
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:21,000
And those numbers averaged the entire six months of February to July.

1090
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:24,000
So kind of excuse it.

1091
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,000
Like we can't think that's going to be it.

1092
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:31,000
I'm going to read one of the letters I've received.

1093
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:35,000
So maybe this will help us moving forward.

1094
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:40,000
Let me just pull this one up.

1095
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:44,000
Okay. And I think we've mentioned this before.

1096
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:48,000
When all traffic into and out of the building is captured,

1097
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:52,000
regardless of how many times anyone enters or exits the building,

1098
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:55,000
then what's the true picture of the facility traffic?

1099
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:58,000
Especially when there never seems to be hundreds of cars.

1100
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,000
I have not said these words.

1101
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:04,000
Especially when there never seems to be hundreds of cars in the parking lot to substantiate

1102
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:11,000
802 guests per day.

1103
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:15,000
I think I'll jump in here.

1104
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:23,000
Listen, we can spend thousands and thousands or tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in a very specific

1105
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:27,000
accounting system that recognizes people's faces and whatever,

1106
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:33,000
but I don't know that that's cost productive for the municipality.

1107
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,000
With respect to the opening ceremonies,

1108
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,000
if we look at the two concerts, for example,

1109
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:42,000
I think each of those concerts correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Deputy CEO,

1110
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:46,000
is about $2,800, $2,200 per concert,

1111
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,000
so that's $4,400 with respect or $4,400.

1112
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:55,000
People with respect to two concerts of it think you used a number of 168,000.

1113
01:49:55,000 --> 01:50:00,000
So when you look at it, that number, it's considerably small.

1114
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,000
It does skew it. There's no doubt I'm not arguing that,

1115
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:08,000
but you know what we also know is that there was so many sports and entertainment

1116
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:13,000
corporation is going to be hosting concerts regularly at this complex,

1117
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,000
and so we'll be seeing those numbers regularly.

1118
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:17,000
It's not like it's going to be at one time only.

1119
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:23,000
Council has moved forward to create concerts and other events happening

1120
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:26,000
in their outside of what recreation normally does.

1121
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:32,000
And so does it skew the numbers? I guess if we weren't looking at hosting other events

1122
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:35,000
there, yes, but I think the fact that we are,

1123
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,000
I think those opening numbers are very important.

1124
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:42,000
When we'll be looking at this in another year, year over year.

1125
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,000
Listen, I can tell you, I've been in that building many times.

1126
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:49,000
I drive by many times and often I see the parking lot,

1127
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,000
and I think, oh boy, it's not very full,

1128
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:56,000
but hockey happens on weekends, hockey and figure skating happen in the evenings.

1129
01:50:56,000 --> 01:51:00,000
They happen at different times of the day when we're not driving by it.

1130
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:05,000
So I think if we were to sit there for a 24-hour period,

1131
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:09,000
we would see that the building is well used.

1132
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:12,000
And we are seeing through the report that the building is well used,

1133
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:16,000
and it's actually having a negative effect on our reclacks in some ways,

1134
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:20,000
because we're seeing that numbers on some of those rental rooms are down,

1135
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:24,000
because people are wanting to use the newer facilities I can assume.

1136
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:27,000
But at the end of the day,

1137
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:31,000
I think the fact that, you know,

1138
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:34,000
what we're doing are best with the counting system and maybe Chris,

1139
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:39,000
director of course, you can elaborate on that counting system and how it works a bit,

1140
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:44,000
but how much do we want to spend on counting people come to and from.

1141
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:48,000
Can you elaborate on that system and director of course in how it works?

1142
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,000
Certainly Mayor Smith. So there are cameras in the two lobbies.

1143
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:56,000
We have a third one in the entry area to the library.

1144
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:59,000
And it's very simple technology.

1145
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:02,000
It counts a body moving in and only moving in.

1146
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:07,000
So it knows how to only count each person once.

1147
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:11,000
It won't count them going up the other door, et cetera.

1148
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,000
Beyond that, I guess the council may be of interest,

1149
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:17,000
and I could certainly circulate in a simple file the daily counts.

1150
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:22,000
So we can see those couple blips that happened in the early days when we had concerts.

1151
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:28,000
And I would agree that if we hit 3,000 visits on the days with these big concerts,

1152
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:35,000
the average comes out over some six months to be understandably.

1153
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:39,000
You know, 900 day is not absurd.

1154
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:46,000
The second piece I would say that maybe of interest as we get into some very busy days

1155
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:54,000
at the Twin Pad library and invite all of the community to go and see how the arena is going this weekend.

1156
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:59,000
We're having our largest yet family oriented tournament at 36 team tournament.

1157
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,000
We have had one other 36 team.

1158
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:05,000
So that's pretty much maxing out all of our ice, their shorter games.

1159
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:08,000
And we know that when youth are playing in the tournament,

1160
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:13,000
they often come with at least a mother or a sibling, et cetera.

1161
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:21,000
So we're expecting that our 350 odd parking spots should be very close to maxed out over this Friday's Saturday Sunday.

1162
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:28,000
And then next week we are also hosting the Cottage Cup, which is a elite tier 2 juniors.

1163
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:32,000
So this is the best hockey players who aren't pro in Ontario,

1164
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,000
ideally getting picked up by NCAA schools.

1165
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:45,000
There are eight Ontario top level hockey teams hosted by the calling would blues playing in our arena Tuesday Wednesday Thursday next week.

1166
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:50,000
So hopefully spectator numbers are up with that.

1167
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:58,000
And last but not least on Tuesday evening we hosted almost sold out Stainer Syskins Junior C game.

1168
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:02,000
So those were a couple highlights in the last week and the week to come.

1169
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:08,000
And I think as fall unfolds we'll start to see more of these maxed out days in our building.

1170
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:14,000
Hopefully it's not 2,000 every day but certainly staff are preparing for some very busy days.

1171
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:17,000
Great. Thank you Chris any intruder, Councillor Eagle.

1172
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,000
Thank you Mr. Marin. And thank you Chris.

1173
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:22,000
I'm glad we opened the conversation.

1174
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,000
I think we loved the facility.

1175
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:27,000
I mean it's it is well used and it's exciting.

1176
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:30,000
It's exciting to hear now what's happening immediately.

1177
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,000
And yeah.

1178
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:35,000
And now to the people's questions out there.

1179
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:36,000
So thanks.

1180
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:37,000
It's good.

1181
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,000
All right. Anyone else on this?

1182
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:42,000
Another Councillor Timbs.

1183
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:45,000
Thank you your worship and through you.

1184
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:52,000
Chris, can you tell me if all the little bugs have been worked out with the upstairs walking track?

1185
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:56,000
And is it still as busy as it was in the beginning?

1186
01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:04,000
Obviously taking into consideration some or might have made a difference somewhat.

1187
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:14,000
I would say that commentary on the idea of our spectators disrupting the regular walkers has slowed.

1188
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,000
We in fact with this busy weekend coming up.

1189
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:22,000
We wanted to trial an idea that said walkers would use the outside.

1190
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:28,000
And see if the spectators do in any way take over the track on a weekend event where we're certain

1191
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:31,000
to have lots of extras moving around in the building.

1192
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:37,000
Council may be aware that there were a lot of comments that came out of discussions when we talked about

1193
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:40,000
non-resident usage numbers.

1194
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:45,000
And as far as the recreation perspective, I'm yet to report back to council.

1195
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:53,000
We haven't come up with an exact logistical plan on how we can restrict and use this RFID technology

1196
01:55:53,000 --> 01:56:02,000
to grant passes to regular users and then sell them to sort of minimize this extra kids running around all the time on busy evenings or

1197
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,000
turn them a weekend.

1198
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:13,000
So to answer your question, there has been very little noise as far as complaints as it goes to spectators or extras

1199
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:16,000
sort of disrupting track users at this time.

1200
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:20,000
But I suppose it'll get to the weekends in the winter and we'll know for sure.

1201
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:24,000
And ideally be closer to implementing a plan if need be.

1202
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,000
Okay.

1203
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:27,000
Thank you, Councillor.

1204
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:28,000
That's an excellent question.

1205
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:31,000
I think we'll start to see the walking track use more.

1206
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,000
Is the months get colder?

1207
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:41,000
And I think what's important to note as the director said, we do keep track of this because at the end of the day it's a walking track.

1208
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:45,000
It's not a spectator track and it's not, it's not a games room, right?

1209
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,000
It's there for people who want to walk.

1210
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:50,000
Councillor Belongese next and then Councillor Delayol.

1211
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,000
Yeah.

1212
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,000
Thank you through your worship.

1213
01:56:53,000 --> 01:57:02,000
Again, I personally drive by, when I'm not in Ottawa, I drive by the arena daily.

1214
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:10,000
I sort of have a one day coffee routine where I go all the way to 45th street and back and see what's going on in town.

1215
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:18,000
Related beautification by how well our arena is and library are being used.

1216
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:30,000
But I want to make it very clear to our residences that we are acutely aware of the investment we have made in this new facility.

1217
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:50,000
And in the increased operational costs to this facility and on an ongoing basis, it is on our minds and in our discussions of how to maximize that to the benefit of our community both in utilization but also in driving revenue.

1218
01:57:50,000 --> 01:58:00,000
And I think there's great many in this, the mayor pointed out we have created the events corporation.

1219
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:15,000
And although that hasn't kicked in full now, I think we're going to see that we are going to become very well known for being having the state of the art facility in South Georgian Bay and beyond.

1220
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:24,000
And that many, many people will, this will become their preference as a spot to come and see an event.

1221
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:37,000
Certainly very enjoyable area to visit versus traditionally going to Toronto to see theater and some of the events that we will attract.

1222
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:54,000
So I just want a resonance to know that I think you'll see over time and certainly as we build up our beach run to the new hotel that this event will play a very strategic role and will drive a lot more additional revenue.

1223
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:55,000
So thank you.

1224
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:56,000
Thank you.

1225
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,000
Thank you.

1226
01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,000
Thank you.

1227
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:00,000
Through you.

1228
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:09,000
To Chris, you kind of hit where you said you're going to put up a sign saying that walkers will have to use the outside of the truck.

1229
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:12,000
Is that correct?

1230
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:16,000
Yes, we've had a staff discussion about what would happen on a busy weekend.

1231
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:19,000
This is our first good one since this stuff has evolved.

1232
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:24,000
May I elaborate on that because the outside is for joggers.

1233
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:29,000
So the outside is normally used for joggers and the inside ones are used for walkers.

1234
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:32,000
People that walk because it's three, right?

1235
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:37,000
So I know when I'm jogging and I stay on the outside.

1236
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:47,000
So if there's people walking then I'll just have to detour around the more.

1237
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,000
My quick answer is there are three lanes.

1238
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:57,000
So if the inner lane was used for spectators the second lane could be used for walkers and then pass on the outside.

1239
01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:00,000
So there are even occasions where a fast walker may.

1240
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:20,000
As a slow walker, but obviously the trial is intended to understand, I think Mayor Smith made a great point in that, eh, it's summer time, and we may not have as much traffic there over this coming weekend, but also to understand, certainly, if there is a concern with interacting between the two.

1241
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:25,000
All right. Any other questions, comments on this matter?

1242
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:31,000
Thank you Councillor Belonging for making the point that we are acutely aware.

1243
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:45,000
I think, in our fairness to our residents, however, they are also acutely aware of the high increases over the last two budgets that they have seen in order to pay for the arena and the operations and the library operations.

1244
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:53,000
Hopefully, we're as far as we need to go with that, and that paid will subside, but I do understand the concerns from residents that there.

1245
02:00:53,000 --> 02:01:02,000
You've seen a huge increase in their taxes to a fund and pay for, and now that they are doing that, they want to see a return on their investment.

1246
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:14,000
And to that point, then, as Councillor Belonging, I said, please be aware that the council and staff here are doing everything we can to make that building,

1247
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:22,000
as busy as we possibly can, and to generate revenue from events and so on to help to pay for that to alleviate the burden on taxpayers.

1248
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,000
So, it's a great point.

1249
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:27,000
All right, we do have a motion not to report title.

1250
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:35,000
New, well, sorry, new stars arena, six month bookings update to the council meeting of August 22, 2024,

1251
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:37,000
be received for information.

1252
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:39,000
Can I move on a seconder for this please?

1253
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:44,000
Moved by Councillor Ego, seconded by Councillor Tims, Madam Clerk.

1254
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:45,000
Thank you.

1255
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:47,000
We're ship on the recorded vote, Councillor Belonging.

1256
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:48,000
In favour?

1257
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:49,000
Councillor Delayo.

1258
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:50,000
In favour?

1259
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,000
Councillor Ego?

1260
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:52,000
In favour?

1261
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:53,000
In favour?

1262
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:54,000
In favour?

1263
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:55,000
Yes.

1264
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:56,000
Councillor Tims?

1265
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:57,000
In favour?

1266
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:58,000
Councillor White?

1267
02:01:58,000 --> 02:01:59,000
In favour?

1268
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:00,000
In favour?

1269
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:01,000
In favour?

1270
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:02,000
carries an answer.

1271
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:03,000
All right.

1272
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:06,000
I think we're going to move on to this next item and get through the next item.

1273
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:13,000
And then we're going to take a 20 minute break for a quick lunch and a bio break and then we'll get back and get to it.

1274
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:18,000
The next item, of course, on the agenda is backyard chickens.

1275
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:22,000
And this was pulled by Councillor White Councillor Delayo and now Councillor Tims.

1276
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:26,000
So, I look to Councillor White on this matter.

1277
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:37,000
Thank you very much, Your Worship, and offer a quick apology to our clerk for a lot of flip-flopping on the flapping of the chickens.

1278
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:44,000
Originally, I had pulled this because I thought it would be a really great opportunity to make a case for backyard chickens.

1279
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:49,000
Looking at the results, not only of the survey done this time, but also the survey done last time.

1280
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:52,000
And certainly leaves a lot of room for that.

1281
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:59,000
However, after having a great conversation with Rachel and by-law about this, it's come to my mind that, you know,

1282
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:04,000
staff are already at capacity executing an aggressive priority list by this council.

1283
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:07,000
And this would be a significant undertaking.

1284
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:13,000
And I do believe that the community would still need an education to communicate best practices,

1285
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:17,000
except around this type of activity in the municipality.

1286
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:21,000
And I say that only because we have already seen some pretty undesirable conditions.

1287
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:25,000
So, for me, it's not that I'm looking to say, no, I'm just saying,

1288
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:30,000
for this municipality and for my vote, where this would go on, this is just not yet.

1289
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:34,000
So, I'll leave my comment at that as well as others here.

1290
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:38,000
Thank you, Councillor White. Next is Councillor Tims.

1291
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:42,000
That's sorry, Councillor Delayo, my apologies.

1292
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:46,000
Thank you, through you, Mr. Mayor.

1293
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:53,000
I'd like to read an article, if I may, that I found, it's a very heartbreaking article, actually,

1294
02:03:53,000 --> 02:04:03,000
that I found a municipal world, and it's regarding a pilot project in Orangeville regarding back your chickens.

1295
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:08,000
A rescue with over 300 abandoned chickens, fears Orangeville,

1296
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:11,000
and owners won't think through the work involved.

1297
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:14,000
While there has been some success in back your chickens, programs,

1298
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:18,000
there's also a lot of collateral damage when it comes to unwanted chickens.

1299
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:23,000
The concept of keeping back your chickens is often heavily romanticized,

1300
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:29,000
but a woman who has rescued hundreds of them fears participants in a new Orangeville pilot program

1301
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:32,000
will underestimate the commitment involved.

1302
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:36,000
Most people have no idea what they're getting into, said lower MacArthur,

1303
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:40,000
operator of silver, willow, farm, and rescue in Mansfield.

1304
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:45,000
Chickens are cute when they're young, fluffy, and laying a egg for you every few days,

1305
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:49,000
but the novelty wears off. They're not easy to take care of.

1306
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:56,000
The rescue was currently home to 1,300 chickens abandoned from programs in the province wide.

1307
02:04:56,000 --> 02:05:00,000
The winter is the worst because the birds are freezing MacArthur said,

1308
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:04,000
they need a warm place to live, and people don't want them anymore.

1309
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:08,000
People don't realize to get eggs year round, lights are necessary,

1310
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:15,000
and chickens require a lot of water, and warm to survive the winter require insulation and heating.

1311
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:21,000
The cost exceeds the value. You spend a lot on hydro, heating, housing, and food.

1312
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:27,000
It's very expensive. You're never going to get ahead by having three chickens, said MacArthur.

1313
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:30,000
They are, they also only lay eggs for a couple of years.

1314
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:34,000
At that point, MacArthur said many people choose to abandon them,

1315
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:37,000
and let's not forget the wild animals they attract.

1316
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:40,000
People have reported hearing the house and screaming at night,

1317
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:45,000
where chicken coops reside. They attract foxes, raccoons, and other wild animals.

1318
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:48,000
So I'm reading this because I want the public to be aware,

1319
02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:52,000
and I also want the public to be aware. I am totally against the backyard chickens.

1320
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:57,000
I believe we live in an urban town, not a year rule.

1321
02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:02,000
Let's leave the farming of chickens to the professionals' where-plunks.

1322
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:03,000
Thank you.

1323
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:07,000
Thank you, Councillor Neill, on to Councillor Tims.

1324
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:09,000
Thank you, Your Worship, and through you.

1325
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:15,000
When I read the report and saw that 68% of the respondents who were in favor,

1326
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:18,000
and most of them for household consumption,

1327
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:25,000
I wondered if we had looked deeply enough into the topic.

1328
02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:30,000
And I think that the concerns that Councillor DeLio is pointing out,

1329
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:35,000
as well as what is in the report and the survey regarding rodents,

1330
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:39,000
odor, and noise. I wonder if these items could not be mitigated

1331
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:45,000
and dealt with through a strict approval and permit process,

1332
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:51,000
along with items like appropriate sized property and education.

1333
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:56,000
So that it's not just a matter of people can just have a chicken coop and put in their chickens,

1334
02:06:56,000 --> 02:07:05,000
but can the town not take a stronger control over that understanding that there will be cost incurred?

1335
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:10,000
Hearing a lot from the food insecurity community,

1336
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:13,000
that it's a good opportunity to save some money.

1337
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:19,000
I'm hearing from Councillor DeLio, that from her report that she has read,

1338
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:27,000
that may not be the case, but I'm wondering if we have looked into the situation deeply enough.

1339
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:36,000
So perhaps through you, Your Worship if Rachel could speak to some of those concerns

1340
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:39,000
that I have just put forward.

1341
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:42,000
Absolutely, Rachel.

1342
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:45,000
Thank you, and through you, Mr. Chair.

1343
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:51,000
I think the report clearly reflects the things that the by-law Department did look into for these things.

1344
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:56,000
I also did reach out to quite a few municipalities that have done pilot projects

1345
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:59,000
or just have backyard chickens in general.

1346
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:04,000
And obviously, you know, some have very strict provisions, some have no provisions.

1347
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:10,000
Most comments were that obviously enforcement challenges come with that,

1348
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:17,000
but it's certainly something that can be looked into if that's what is decided.

1349
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:20,000
Councillor Tims?

1350
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:25,000
From my perspective, I would like more information.

1351
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:29,000
All right, thank you, Councillor Blassey.

1352
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:31,000
Yes, through the mayor.

1353
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:42,000
With the best of intentions and with the limited resources that we have to enforce so many things in our community.

1354
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:47,000
And I think we all see where that is a difficult challenge.

1355
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:56,000
One bad actor, one bad actor, could create a disaster for the chicken industry.

1356
02:08:56,000 --> 02:09:01,000
And these are also backyard chickens.

1357
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:06,000
Our by-law enforcement doesn't.

1358
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:08,000
It's very difficult.

1359
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:15,000
It's not, it's not a drive-by to see if somebody is is correctly handling chickens.

1360
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:21,000
And that, like to me, the risk far outweighs any benefit.

1361
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:30,000
And again, to the report that just happened, if you're doing it right, you're likely not even saving money for your household.

1362
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:37,000
So, as far as I'm concerned, just the risk is too great for any benefit.

1363
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:39,000
Thank you, Councillor.

1364
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:41,000
Any other questions or comments?

1365
02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:46,000
Just before I go back to Councillor Delayo, okay, Deputy Mayor Snell?

1366
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:53,000
Yeah, my only comment that I wanted to thank you through your worship is listening to the conversation that's going on right now.

1367
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:58,000
And thank you, Councillor Delayo, for bringing forward the points that were mentioned in that article.

1368
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:00,000
This isn't something that I can support either.

1369
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,000
I don't think we have capacity to take it on.

1370
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:07,000
I don't think financially we can afford to implement and support and train.

1371
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:14,000
Although great, great ideas, the fee would far outweigh the benefit financially for our residents.

1372
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:20,000
So at this point, I could not even support staff spending any more time on this, frankly.

1373
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:22,000
All right, back to Councillor Delayo.

1374
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:23,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, through you.

1375
02:10:23,000 --> 02:10:25,000
It's just a simple little comment.

1376
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:26,000
Where do we stop?

1377
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:36,000
If we allow chickens for food insecurity, what if somebody approaches council and says, well, I have a little goat that I can only have goat milk.

1378
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:39,000
And it should be my right to keep it in the back yard.

1379
02:10:39,000 --> 02:10:40,000
So where do we stop?

1380
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:43,000
How do you say no to one and yes to the other?

1381
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:45,000
You've got to put a limit.

1382
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:49,000
And I think zero is the best limit.

1383
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:50,000
Thank you.

1384
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:52,000
Thank you, Councillor Delayo.

1385
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:55,000
And what the heck, we must have everyone so consider you go.

1386
02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:57,000
Just a quick comment.

1387
02:10:57,000 --> 02:10:58,000
Thank you.

1388
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:03,000
I read the report in depth that I appreciate the work that staff has done on this.

1389
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:06,000
You've got the numbers, the percentages.

1390
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:10,000
It looked like a very fair report to be an inclusive and it spoke loudly.

1391
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:14,000
And I would certainly be supporting your report.

1392
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:15,000
All right.

1393
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:18,000
Any other comments or questions?

1394
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:19,000
I agree.

1395
02:11:19,000 --> 02:11:28,000
And the one thing I can say for certain is that not just this council but past councils have spent the same amount of time or more time on this as we have.

1396
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:32,000
And I think we've always come to the same conclusion.

1397
02:11:32,000 --> 02:11:40,000
I absolutely sympathize with people today and you know food insecurities and the cost of food.

1398
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:45,000
And yes this is an easy fix certainly this time of year.

1399
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:49,000
But I would agree that as winter comes along.

1400
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:52,000
You've got to think about the chickens as well.

1401
02:11:52,000 --> 02:12:01,000
And the humanity or the humanity which we may or we obviously do see.

1402
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:04,000
And to Councillor Ego's point.

1403
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:07,000
Where does it, where does it, or to Councillor Delayos point.

1404
02:12:07,000 --> 02:12:09,000
So where does it stop?

1405
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:12,000
Next is a go next is a cow.

1406
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:14,000
Whatever else it may be.

1407
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:19,000
And I think we open a door that is very difficult for us to control.

1408
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:30,000
And what we know is that when we do have bad actors, whatever that a bylaw is that we tend to get a ton of calls from neighbors.

1409
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:34,000
And we do the best we can to fix it but it's not easy.

1410
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:40,000
And you know we do live in a urban surrounding and not a rural surrounding.

1411
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:48,000
And I don't want to make light of people trying to provide the best way they can for their families.

1412
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:54,000
But I'm struggling with this one as much as I like the idea quite frankly.

1413
02:12:55,000 --> 02:12:57,000
I struggle with it because how do we police it?

1414
02:12:57,000 --> 02:13:10,000
How do we make sure that the animals are being treated humanely and how do we ensure that we don't have a situation where a disease comes into play.

1415
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:17,000
And now we affect the ability for chicken and eggs for thousands and thousands of families.

1416
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:21,000
And if we look at the food insecurity standpoint.

1417
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:25,000
When that happens, what we know is that the price even goes higher.

1418
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:27,000
Because of the shortage.

1419
02:13:27,000 --> 02:13:30,000
So I struggle to support this as well.

1420
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:34,000
Appreciate all the comments by members of council and I'll read the resolution.

1421
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:36,000
Let me part titled.

1422
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:37,000
Pardon me.

1423
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:41,000
Backyard chickens to the council meeting of August 22nd, 2024, we received.

1424
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:48,000
And that the existing zoning and animal control bylaws prohibiting backyard chickens on unruly lots of be maintained.

1425
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:51,000
I'll look to move right a seconder for this please.

1426
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:52,000
Councillor Delayo.

1427
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:55,000
Pardon me and Councillor Ego.

1428
02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:57,000
And I'll look to the clerk for a recorded vote.

1429
02:13:57,000 --> 02:13:58,000
Thank you.

1430
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:00,000
Councillor Belange.

1431
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:01,000
In favor.

1432
02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:02,000
Councillor Delayo.

1433
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:03,000
In favor.

1434
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:04,000
Councillor Ego.

1435
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:05,000
In favor.

1436
02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:06,000
Deputy Mayor's now.

1437
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:07,000
In favor.

1438
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:08,000
Councillor Timbs.

1439
02:14:08,000 --> 02:14:10,000
Opposed.

1440
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:11,000
Councillor White.

1441
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:12,000
In favor.

1442
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:13,000
Mayor Smith.

1443
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:14,000
Your favor.

1444
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,000
Motion carries.

1445
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:19,000
Thank you very much Madam Clerk.

1446
02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:22,000
And we'll now take a 20 minute recess.

1447
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:48,000
Thank you.

1448
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:22,000
Thank you very much, and good afternoon. Welcome back, everybody. We'll call this meeting.

1449
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:38,000
We'll call this meeting back to order. We're now moving on to the next part of our agenda, which is the time

1450
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:45,000
of education, strategy, municipal law enforcement activities. And this report was pulled by Councillor Bologna, Councillor Bologna.

1451
02:41:45,000 --> 02:42:07,000
Yes, thank you. Through your worship. The only point I'd like to make very strongly is that a lot of what I'm hearing from social media and from a few residents that have contacted me and had some concerns of us.

1452
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:29,000
Targeting businesses or targeting certain residents or whatever with either our sign by law or our amps by law, which is administrative mandatory penalty, is couldn't be farther from the truth.

1453
02:42:29,000 --> 02:42:39,000
I've talked to a lot of residents as well that when I tell them that these are strategies in the beautification of Wiseg Beach.

1454
02:42:39,000 --> 02:42:57,000
They said, it's about time. Like I mean, the reality is we have unbelievable natural assets here, but frankly there's been many situations are town that are not aesthetically pleasing.

1455
02:42:57,000 --> 02:43:10,000
And it has to change. We're going to be investing a lot of money as well a lot of private enterprise, invest a lot of money into this town.

1456
02:43:10,000 --> 02:43:26,000
And we need every resident and every business to participate in the beautification of our town. It can only benefit all of us as we drive through town, as we attract more tourism.

1457
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:37,000
And as we reduce our property taxes because we increase our commercial tax base. So there's a payback for your effort.

1458
02:43:37,000 --> 02:43:58,000
So trim the grass around every post. And don't let your lawns, granted I know there's pollination yards, that type of thing, but some of them look very beautiful and some of them look quite uncapped.

1459
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:10,000
So all we would ask our residents to work as hard as your council and as hard as our staff to try to beautify our community and make it a better place as the mayor.

1460
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:18,000
How we says to live, play, work, and do they miss anything there? And learn.

1461
02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:21,000
Okay. Thank you.

1462
02:44:21,000 --> 02:44:24,000
Thank you, Councillor. Any other questions or comments?

1463
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:43,000
Thank you. I actually just wanted to make a comment in reading the report and seeing that our department by law department has had over 4,000 investigations in roughly a year and 80% of them have been managed.

1464
02:44:43,000 --> 02:45:00,000
I would like to compliment the department on that. I did have a quick conversation with Rachel about the 20% that are still ongoing and she informed me that some are being closed and being worked on and I just.

1465
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:13,000
I feel that it's really worthwhile for our public to realize that's a lot of work for over 4,000 by law complaints that you've been working on.

1466
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:19,000
So I don't know if you have a comment through your worship in regards to that. Thank you.

1467
02:45:19,000 --> 02:45:21,000
Has it the fact that you need sleep?

1468
02:45:21,000 --> 02:45:32,000
Yeah, no kidding. Thank you. It's a year your worship. I did want to just clarify that that was my fault for misunderstanding earlier.

1469
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:40,000
But it's actually the 80% is what we have proactively enforced so far, not what has been closed or opened.

1470
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:46,000
But we kind of did a year and from you know, June of this or last year to June of this year.

1471
02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:56,000
Just in regards to the bylaws that are beautification. So I know this topic is beautification, but that doesn't even go to show all the work that bylaws doing with other bylaws.

1472
02:45:56,000 --> 02:46:08,000
And the actual, you know, calls for service that we get every year for like noise fireworks, all that that fun stuff that keep us fueled for the day. Thank you.

1473
02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:12,000
I don't know if that's what fuels you.

1474
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:15,000
Call the power to you Mr. CAO.

1475
02:46:15,000 --> 02:46:20,000
Thank you Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to compliment Rachel and her team as well.

1476
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:30,000
I think council is aware that previous years prior to this council, it was really a complaint space to approach to bylaw enforcement.

1477
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:35,000
We've heard loud and clear that this council, this community wants us to be more proactive.

1478
02:46:35,000 --> 02:46:38,000
That's exactly what Rachel and her team are doing.

1479
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:44,000
I know it's not always received well, but again, we are not targeting.

1480
02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:48,000
We are treating everyone the same when we drive along the street.

1481
02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:50,000
We don't care who owns a business.

1482
02:46:50,000 --> 02:46:55,000
That's not what we're looking at. We're looking at is your sign illegal.

1483
02:46:55,000 --> 02:46:57,000
It's this right is your grass too long.

1484
02:46:57,000 --> 02:47:03,000
So I know it may feel too some like you're targeting, but that is absolutely untrue.

1485
02:47:03,000 --> 02:47:11,000
I also wanted to share a minor success story and the volume is a success to Rachel and her team.

1486
02:47:11,000 --> 02:47:16,000
But I think you all know shopping carts have been a pet peeve of mine.

1487
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:24,000
Since council adopted or passed the shopping cart bylaw, we were averaging season 25 shopping carts a week.

1488
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:29,000
We got to a point where we had 125 shopping carts.

1489
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:40,000
But I understand now that the owners getting the message and they've now ramped up their own patrols to go and collect their own carts.

1490
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:46,000
So sometimes it takes being a little proactive for the message to sink in.

1491
02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:48,000
I think that's a success story.

1492
02:47:48,000 --> 02:47:53,000
Hopefully that keeps on because they were getting a little bit out of control.

1493
02:47:54,000 --> 02:47:58,000
Excellent point Andrew. Other questions your comments.

1494
02:47:58,000 --> 02:48:01,000
Council your weight.

1495
02:48:01,000 --> 02:48:03,000
Thank you for your work.

1496
02:48:03,000 --> 02:48:07,000
Great work by the by the by the by the by the by the by the by the by the by the pardon on the town beautification.

1497
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:12,000
And I can't think of town beautification without thinking of Timothy Dalton and hot fuzz but anyways.

1498
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:14,000
There's been a lot of debate about it.

1499
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:20,880
chat around the sign bylaw. And I think before any business owner goes and starts pulling stuff off the

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02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:26,160
side of their building, they need to come in and talk to staff and find out, you know, what it

1501
02:48:26,160 --> 02:48:31,520
should be there, what should not be there. And the difference between a simple decoration and the sign

1502
02:48:31,520 --> 02:48:36,080
so that we have some clarity on that. There's some confusion out there and I would hate for someone

1503
02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:43,440
to make a mistake or leave up signs that shouldn't be there either way. But get some advice from

1504
02:48:43,440 --> 02:48:48,880
town staff before we go doing anything drastic. There is character to be kept. There are things

1505
02:48:48,880 --> 02:48:54,240
about this town that are unique and our businesses and all that provide that for our beautiful towns.

1506
02:48:54,240 --> 02:48:58,000
So, by all means, if you're out there and you're kind of concerned as to what's going on,

1507
02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:02,160
reach out to staff, find out what's permitted and what's not and don't make a mistake.

1508
02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:07,120
If I could just... On that point, that's an excellent point, Councillor White.

1509
02:49:07,680 --> 02:49:15,280
The bylaws, black and white. This is allowed. This is not. There is gray when it comes to signs.

1510
02:49:16,640 --> 02:49:23,440
And I agree with you, there are some businesses in town that have really cool stuff. It adds to the

1511
02:49:23,440 --> 02:49:30,560
character of the community. So, if you're in that gray area, you can always apply for a variance.

1512
02:49:31,600 --> 02:49:36,080
And then the way that would work is you would submit the variance, fill out the application.

1513
02:49:36,080 --> 02:49:40,640
Staff will evaluate and say, you know what? There is design merit to what you've got here.

1514
02:49:41,680 --> 02:49:49,440
There may not be. So, there is a bit of gray there to allow for creativity and uniqueness. So,

1515
02:49:49,440 --> 02:49:55,280
I hope that businesses have to understand that. And if they feel that they've got a cool sign that they

1516
02:49:55,280 --> 02:49:58,880
really want to keep, go through that process and we'll see if we can work with them.

1517
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:02,640
All right. Thank you, Councillor White. Thank you. Andrew, did you want to respond?

1518
02:50:03,600 --> 02:50:09,440
Yeah, thank you, Your Worship. Yeah, I think it's, it's in, it is such a part of a town's

1519
02:50:09,440 --> 02:50:17,680
identity, how the businesses and the buildings are presented, especially to the roadside. And

1520
02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:28,240
as much as we don't want, you know, clutter and unnecessary noise from that particular vantage point,

1521
02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:33,840
we also don't want to sterilize or the buildings either and make sure that there's a little

1522
02:50:33,840 --> 02:50:39,280
lack of feeling at all. You know, we are a cool beach town with a cool vibe, you know,

1523
02:50:39,280 --> 02:50:44,400
as a retro feel to some of the aspects of our town. And not so retro feel with some of the newer

1524
02:50:44,400 --> 02:50:48,240
projects that are being done. And I want to make sure that we don't, we don't wipe away everything away

1525
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and turn it into something it should not be. So, please, reach out to staffing and let's get it right.

1526
02:50:53,680 --> 02:51:04,880
All right. Councillor Tim's, do I? Yes. Thank you, Your Worship. And since our last conversation

1527
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on the sign by law, I have really been looking at the town with a different set of sunglasses,

1528
02:51:11,520 --> 02:51:18,960
if you like. And I, I, I look at our beach front area where there is some use of signage that may

1529
02:51:18,960 --> 02:51:26,640
not fit that by law. And I, I feel like we still need to be tweaking and looking at what best serves

1530
02:51:26,640 --> 02:51:35,440
us. As we move into beach front development, there will be some negative aspects of a big dig there.

1531
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And signage will probably become even more important directionally to get people to understand how they get to

1532
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:49,680
rent a safe way. So, I just, you know, that's just been sitting on my mind as I've been driving around

1533
02:51:49,680 --> 02:51:56,960
looking at some of the signs that really don't fit our by-line anymore, that maybe we still have to have that

1534
02:51:56,960 --> 02:52:04,480
conversation with staff and try to understand better if you're a business owner as Councillor White says. Thank you.

1535
02:52:05,920 --> 02:52:11,360
Thank you. Any other comments? Deputy Mayor now. Thank you. Your Worship through you just a quick one.

1536
02:52:12,320 --> 02:52:18,560
Moving forward, proactively, when a person comes and completes a business application,

1537
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do you share with them the sign by-law and the beautification by-laws that relates to their property

1538
02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:33,200
and it being kept? Thank you and through you, Mr. Terry. Yes, we certainly do. We also are trying to

1539
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:38,560
work with other departments as well to let them know about our process that way. You know if someone

1540
02:52:38,560 --> 02:52:46,080
is maybe going through a building permit or through planning to have a business there, those things

1541
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:51,520
are also given to them at that time, especially with those new developments coming in. We see developer

1542
02:52:51,520 --> 02:52:57,200
signs go up. We want to make sure they're approved before putting those signs up. So, I think it kind of

1543
02:52:57,200 --> 02:53:02,800
branches on a few different things and just getting all the departments on the same page to be able to

1544
02:53:02,800 --> 02:53:09,760
present that. So, our businesses are informed right away and they know the process and I think it's also

1545
02:53:09,760 --> 02:53:15,840
a huge part on the by-law side of things that when we do see a business and new business and we're going

1546
02:53:15,840 --> 02:53:20,240
there for the business license inspection. If we go, I don't think we've got to permit for that. We'll just

1547
02:53:20,240 --> 02:53:24,880
inform and educate them to go through the process and continue to work with them.

1548
02:53:27,280 --> 02:53:32,240
Thank you for the follow-up. It's slightly unrelated, but I think there's opportunity

1549
02:53:32,240 --> 02:53:38,560
in particular speaking about businesses to work with, act-of, and Caitlin Steam to create a really

1550
02:53:38,560 --> 02:53:44,480
comprehensive package that gives any new business owner a big warm wasabi beach welcome, not only with

1551
02:53:44,480 --> 02:53:51,120
rules and bylaws, but also with networking opportunities, ways in which that we support through

1552
02:53:51,120 --> 02:53:58,000
aspect or other opportunities. So, just something to maybe needle on and consider speaking with her about.

1553
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:04,000
Thank you. Yeah, just to actually comment on that, we have kind of been in the work with

1554
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:11,440
active to kind of come forward with a package when businesses are applying, not saying that's concrete

1555
02:54:11,440 --> 02:54:15,280
or anything at the moment, but there's definitely been conversation to work towards that goal.

1556
02:54:17,840 --> 02:54:22,880
All right. Good discussion. I think what's important is some direction obviously to all the

1557
02:54:22,880 --> 02:54:27,520
departments that, you know, we're handing out information whether it be through planning,

1558
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:35,200
through building, through bylaws, through active, through treasury department. And this information is

1559
02:54:35,200 --> 02:54:39,760
important to get out there to be clear to everybody, even new residents coming that are buying a home.

1560
02:54:40,640 --> 02:54:45,360
The Dan to stand the bylaws and the rules around living in wasabi beach, just like you have in any

1561
02:54:45,360 --> 02:54:51,600
other community. With respect to our beautification, I can tell you that whether I'm driving down

1562
02:54:51,600 --> 02:54:58,400
Main Street or whether I'm driving throughout town, this last two weeks I can tell you I am seeing

1563
02:54:58,400 --> 02:55:04,320
a massive improvement. Especially along the corridor we've been focusing on to start and that's Main Street.

1564
02:55:05,520 --> 02:55:12,640
It's night and day to me. There's still some issues. Absolutely, there always be some,

1565
02:55:12,640 --> 02:55:17,280
but I commend staff for the great job that they're doing and getting that cleaned up. And if we can

1566
02:55:17,280 --> 02:55:22,000
get the rest of our community to look at two thirds or three quarters as good as Main Street

1567
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:28,560
starting to look, I think this will be a success story. To those folks who who think that, you know,

1568
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:35,680
we're targeting them on their grass or on their signs or whatever, get over yourself. I'm sorry.

1569
02:55:36,400 --> 02:55:42,480
The town is very busy. Council is very busy staff are very busy focused on many, many great things.

1570
02:55:43,440 --> 02:55:50,000
We don't have time, desire or the care to be focusing on any one individual or any one business

1571
02:55:50,000 --> 02:55:58,080
with respect to the condition. I mean, either meet the standards or you don't. And it's kind of a

1572
02:55:58,080 --> 02:56:03,680
fair process to everybody and it's not easy. It's not easy for staff. I mean, listen if the

1573
02:56:03,680 --> 02:56:08,320
bylops are coming to your door. It's usually not, it's not coming to tell you one the lottery.

1574
02:56:10,080 --> 02:56:16,160
And so, and of course, we all know and in society today what you can face when you get to that door

1575
02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:22,640
could be very pleasant or it could be not so pleasant. So, great job, keep up the good work and we'll

1576
02:56:22,640 --> 02:56:29,440
we'll get this community looking even better than it already does. So, it's a sense of pride. And I think

1577
02:56:29,440 --> 02:56:36,160
as we move along, I can tell you that in the public and speaking to people, they're noticing it. And

1578
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:41,520
it is a sense of pride in our community and I'm glad we're going in that direction. All right. So,

1579
02:56:41,520 --> 02:56:46,320
we do have a motion that the report title town beautification strategy municipal law enforcement activities

1580
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to the council meeting of August 22nd 2024, BBC for information. Moving to seconder, please.

1581
02:56:52,320 --> 02:56:58,640
This is moved by Councillor Delayo, seconded by Councillor Wight. Record vote, Madam Clerk.

1582
02:56:58,640 --> 02:57:05,440
Thank you, Your Worship. Councillor Polanche. In favor. Delayo, in favor. Councillor, you go. In favor.

1583
02:57:05,440 --> 02:57:12,080
Deputy Mayor's now. In favor. Councillor Timbs. In favor. Councillor Wight. In favor.

1584
02:57:12,080 --> 02:57:14,640
And Mayor Smith. In favor.

1585
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:21,840
Thank you, Madam Clerk. And moving on to the zoning by a bylaw amendment file. Z072-Zero Saga River

1586
02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:27,200
with Hones Inc. pulled by Councillor Polanche. Councillor. Thank you, Your Worship.

1587
02:57:27,200 --> 02:57:33,520
I think Councillor Remembers, during the public meeting, there was quite a bit of

1588
02:57:34,880 --> 02:57:43,600
opposition to the first application. I'm a command staff. I know there's been a lot of back and forth

1589
02:57:43,680 --> 02:57:52,320
and back and forth, and this we've visioned before us is improved. It's very difficult to please

1590
02:57:52,320 --> 02:58:03,600
everyone. I have been contacted by some residents of the building and drove there on the back of

1591
02:58:03,600 --> 02:58:10,800
a lot of one. Took a couple of pictures, but I know we haven't done detailed site plan yet, and

1592
02:58:11,600 --> 02:58:20,560
some of the things that it would ask to be looked at as we go to that detail is three things

1593
02:58:20,560 --> 02:58:27,840
were mentioned. One is the occupants of the adjoining of Jason Building have been looking

1594
02:58:27,840 --> 02:58:38,880
out at trees for a long time. In fact, they have a line of trees on their property that would block

1595
02:58:38,960 --> 02:58:46,160
out of a lot of the view of the new building. But as we go to the south of the property towards where

1596
02:58:46,160 --> 02:58:56,640
the parking lot will be, there's at least there's not trees depicted in the site plan. So I know that

1597
02:58:56,640 --> 02:59:02,240
the people on the south end of that building, they would prefer to continue to look out and see

1598
02:59:02,240 --> 02:59:09,600
four-legged, so if it's possible that some trees could be added to the south of that that would be

1599
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:17,840
great. The other thing was, is they increased the setback between the two buildings on the building

1600
02:59:17,840 --> 02:59:26,240
portion, but when you get to the parking lot they extend the parking lot rate to or close to the property

1601
02:59:27,120 --> 02:59:36,400
and the ask if possible was to keep the same setback so that the parking lot is in alignment

1602
02:59:36,400 --> 02:59:44,000
with the building and doesn't extend. Through that also gives us the drainage and that green edge,

1603
02:59:44,000 --> 02:59:49,440
that little bit of a break it would extend from river road all the way to the full

1604
02:59:49,440 --> 02:59:56,160
expanse of the property. And then the third concern and I'm pretty sure of this

1605
02:59:57,040 --> 03:00:02,240
that maybe a general manager public works good.

1606
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:21,000
I understand the drainage ditch is in need of maintenance. Currently, obviously, with new construction, that would be looked at, but on an ongoing basis, they're just concerned about that drainage ditch between the two buildings becoming a bit of a collect-all.

1607
03:00:21,000 --> 03:00:41,000
So those are the three things that I think would go a long way in increasing the pleasure of the adjacent residents, and if they could be taken into consideration, it would be greatly appreciated.

1608
03:00:41,000 --> 03:00:45,000
Anyone from staff want to respond to that?

1609
03:00:45,000 --> 03:00:46,000
Trevor?

1610
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:54,000
Through your workshop, I'll let Matt Ellis, the senior planner, who has a carriage of the files speak for the first two, and Mr. Walon can speak to the third.

1611
03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:56,000
Welcome, Matt.

1612
03:00:56,000 --> 03:01:06,000
Thank you, Mayor Smith, Councillor Belange, and as well as Trevor. I'll just clarify at the time of the third submission, and we've run the fifth submission now.

1613
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:25,000
Planning staff asked the applicants to upgrade the metal fence proposal at that time to a solid board fence to shield the headlights from vehicles from shining into the apartment building on the adjacent property.

1614
03:01:25,000 --> 03:01:28,000
Building on the adjacent property to the east.

1615
03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:37,000
That would more effectively shield the headlights than obviously the fence that was proposed at that time as well as trees.

1616
03:01:37,000 --> 03:01:49,000
But Councillor Belange's point will certainly look into trees in addition to this all-the-board fence along that society's through the property line.

1617
03:01:49,000 --> 03:01:57,000
Of course, we can't guarantee that there will be planted, but we'll definitely look into it, and we'll look into the other matters as well.

1618
03:01:57,000 --> 03:02:06,000
And all the further to Kevin regarding maintenance of the drainage channel to the east of the building.

1619
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:07,000
Thank you, Matt.

1620
03:02:07,000 --> 03:02:09,000
Mr. General Manager?

1621
03:02:09,000 --> 03:02:12,000
Through you, Mr. Mayor.

1622
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The current drainage channel that will, I guess, be in between the two facilities is kind of the natural outlet for the wetland to the south, and actually the overland flow route for the stormwater management pond for the adjacent.

1623
03:02:26,000 --> 03:02:33,000
We'll saw you meet the village development, so we will need an incumbent access to that channel to maintain it.

1624
03:02:33,000 --> 03:02:41,000
So although trees may look appropriate on the plan, we still need to get equipment up and down alongside that channel.

1625
03:02:41,000 --> 03:03:02,000
That's a comment that needs to be taken into consideration, and I don't know off the top of my head if our access is entirely via this property along the western limits of the channel, or if there is some easement permissions along the tree top side.

1626
03:03:02,000 --> 03:03:17,000
So, but definitely, do we know what in terms of the garbage and collection, but it is a low-grade flat essentially drainage outlet that does have standing water just given the characteristics of the area.

1627
03:03:17,000 --> 03:03:25,000
And there is certainly growth in there, but something will need to make sure that we have access to so we can maintain one necessary.

1628
03:03:25,000 --> 03:03:27,000
Thank you, Kevin. Andrew.

1629
03:03:27,000 --> 03:03:39,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Through you, Mayor, to Councillor Belange. The other comment I was chatting with Matt about the request to move the parking aisle over in line with the building.

1630
03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:43,000
I think that could potentially be problematic.

1631
03:03:43,000 --> 03:03:54,000
It looks to me based on the plan there are minimum dimensions for dry vials and parking stalls, and it looks like they've got that minimum met.

1632
03:03:54,000 --> 03:03:59,000
So, in order to accomplish that, you'd probably wipe out 10 to 12 parking spaces.

1633
03:03:59,000 --> 03:04:08,000
So, I think, I need to check and see where they are in the meeting, their parking requirements. I just asked them, are they just meeting or are there access spaces?

1634
03:04:08,000 --> 03:04:16,000
So, we'll have to look into see the implications of that, because it's not just as simple as sliding it over to be in line.

1635
03:04:16,000 --> 03:04:23,000
Just in a follow up, I'm just asking for consideration on behalf of some residents. Thank you.

1636
03:04:24,000 --> 03:04:28,000
All right, any other questions or comments? Councillor Ego?

1637
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:40,000
Thank you. Through you, Your Worship. Sorry. I may be late to the party on this, but I certainly was reading it through, and I'm pleased that it went from town homes to an apartment building.

1638
03:04:40,000 --> 03:04:46,000
I think that is brilliant here at what we need versus what was on there.

1639
03:04:46,000 --> 03:04:54,000
You looked at me, Matt, like, that wasn't the plan. It was originally town homes to be in there, or your original plan back, wasn't not?

1640
03:04:54,000 --> 03:05:11,000
Through the Councillor Ego, back in 2013, the development that was approved at that time was 22 town homes, and for whatever reason that didn't happen, and the property was sold to the current owner.

1641
03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:16,000
Thank you. Okay. So, I guess I went that far back on reading.

1642
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:27,000
And maybe this is updated as well. So, when I was reading it, some of these words came to me where I'm evaluated wetland within the front portion.

1643
03:05:27,000 --> 03:05:40,000
So, I don't know if this is up to date, I think it is, because this was your report here, and negative impacts can be avoided with the implementation of appropriate mitigation measures.

1644
03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:55,000
So, that's really caught my eye. Have those been addressed? Are they being addressed? Are you concerned about significant wetland? Where are we on that? I have no idea.

1645
03:05:55,000 --> 03:06:24,000
I think you can also go with those, those are just through the environmental impact statement. The EIS that was, or the environmental impact study that was submitted, and that study makes a number of recommendations, and those recommendations will be implemented through the site client agreement that will be required as part of site client control.

1646
03:06:24,000 --> 03:06:35,000
Yes, an environmental study by the corporation, you know, that the developer hires. Is that, I don't even know if they were, these were your words, I thought.

1647
03:06:35,000 --> 03:06:53,000
Well, I think the developer hired them, or whoever hired them, or are using professionals here in the environmental study would have, I think what Matt saying is the environmental study touched on that, and any concerns have been mitigated or avoided at this point.

1648
03:06:53,000 --> 03:07:10,000
Is that right, Matt? Through your workshop, yes, the EIS was also peer reviewed by the NVCA, prior to build 23 come into effect when they were permitted to comment on natural heritage matters.

1649
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:26,000
So I think another, I'm sorry, Councillor, I just want to make something clear for the public here, correct me from wrong staff, but any time we have environmental studies or any studies for that matter, they are peer reviewed, correct if it's not the town who's doing them?

1650
03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:28,000
Correct, yes, they are peer reviewed.

1651
03:07:29,000 --> 03:07:44,000
So there is a second, always a second engineering firm, or a second corporation that specializes in whatever that study or report required is, that reviews it to make sure that it isn't a bias report.

1652
03:07:44,000 --> 03:07:57,000
I think that's correct, because I was good at that, this point is the town has a peer review, so that's all covered and so when I see significant wetland, it is being addressed, it hasn't been addressed and it's clear in this report.

1653
03:07:57,000 --> 03:08:00,000
Got it? Okay, thank you.

1654
03:08:00,000 --> 03:08:03,000
All right, thanks Councillor. Any other questions or comments?

1655
03:08:03,000 --> 03:08:08,000
All right, we do have a motion that the Zoni Bala amendment.

1656
03:08:08,000 --> 03:08:14,000
Zoni Bala amendment number seven, zero seven, two, zero, Osaga, Riverwood's Holmes Inc.

1657
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:22,000
To the council meeting of August 22nd, 2024 be received, and at the Council Act, the Zoni Bala amendment seven, zero seven, dash two, zero.

1658
03:08:22,000 --> 03:08:27,000
For Osaga, Riverwood's Holmes Inc. has recommended in this report.

1659
03:08:27,000 --> 03:08:29,000
Move her in a seconder.

1660
03:08:29,000 --> 03:08:33,000
Move by Councillor Delayo, second by Councillor White, Madam Clerk.

1661
03:08:33,000 --> 03:08:35,000
Your worship, Councillor Balaunche.

1662
03:08:35,000 --> 03:08:37,000
In favor. Councillor Delayo.

1663
03:08:37,000 --> 03:08:41,000
In favor, Councillor Ego, favor, Deputy Mayor's now.

1664
03:08:41,000 --> 03:08:46,000
In favor, Councillor Tims, in favor, Councillor White.

1665
03:08:46,000 --> 03:08:48,000
In favor, Mayor Smith.

1666
03:08:48,000 --> 03:08:49,000
In favor.

1667
03:08:50,000 --> 03:08:52,000
Thank you very much, Madam Clerk.

1668
03:08:52,000 --> 03:08:57,000
Moving on to the next item, short term accommodation, project recommendation report.

1669
03:08:57,000 --> 03:09:00,000
And this was put together by Carly and Carly.

1670
03:09:00,000 --> 03:09:03,000
To know this is how dedicated our staff are, folks.

1671
03:09:03,000 --> 03:09:06,000
Carly is now off on Matt Leave has been for about a week.

1672
03:09:06,000 --> 03:09:09,000
And here she is back to make sure that she looks after us with this report.

1673
03:09:09,000 --> 03:09:11,000
So welcome back, Carly.

1674
03:09:11,000 --> 03:09:14,000
Thank you, let's hope I make it through this.

1675
03:09:14,000 --> 03:09:17,000
I believe you, we hope you make it through this too.

1676
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:19,000
If you don't.

1677
03:09:27,000 --> 03:09:31,000
But he does have a direct line to the people who can help.

1678
03:09:31,000 --> 03:09:33,000
All right, great.

1679
03:09:33,000 --> 03:09:35,000
Carly, floor is yours.

1680
03:09:35,000 --> 03:09:36,000
Thank you so much.

1681
03:09:36,000 --> 03:09:37,000
Your worship.

1682
03:09:37,000 --> 03:09:39,000
I just wanted to take a moment.

1683
03:09:39,000 --> 03:09:42,000
Just to provide a quick overview of report, which I acknowledge,

1684
03:09:42,000 --> 03:09:46,000
was maybe not the shortest report that I've put before you so far.

1685
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:50,000
I'm interested in sure that there's some clarity on a lot of the issues and,

1686
03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:55,000
you know, the things that are under consideration in this report because they are really important.

1687
03:09:55,000 --> 03:10:03,000
That we understand distinctions between short term accommodations and the other types of accommodations that we're talking about when we start looking at this licensing framework.

1688
03:10:03,000 --> 03:10:06,000
So I just created a quick presentation that kind of goes over this.

1689
03:10:06,000 --> 03:10:12,000
So short term accommodations have seen the significant rise in popularity across many, many municipalities,

1690
03:10:12,000 --> 03:10:14,000
including obviously the town of Osaga Beach.

1691
03:10:15,000 --> 03:10:21,000
These accommodations often facilitated through online platforms, which you're probably familiar with, so Airbnb, the RBO.

1692
03:10:21,000 --> 03:10:24,000
They have for temporary lodging to tourists and visitors.

1693
03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:28,000
And while they can boost local tourism provide homeowners with additional income,

1694
03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:35,000
they also bring a range of challenges that can impact community well-being and quality of life for our residents.

1695
03:10:35,000 --> 03:10:43,000
So in 2023 council identified STAs as part of its term of council priorities and establishing its complete communities.

1696
03:10:44,000 --> 03:10:49,000
And requested that a review of our current licensing strategies be examined.

1697
03:10:49,000 --> 03:10:59,000
The mandate for this project at the time and at my first report was set as to establish and conduct the comprehensive review of these accommodation regulations and our licensing strategies.

1698
03:10:59,000 --> 03:11:05,000
And to assess these existing regulations and proposed recommendations not only to enhance our licensing framework,

1699
03:11:05,000 --> 03:11:11,000
but more importantly to address issues related to safety, compliance and mitigating community impacts,

1700
03:11:11,000 --> 03:11:17,000
which we know from our public engagement is something that obviously our residents are extremely concerned with.

1701
03:11:17,000 --> 03:11:23,000
I think that it's probably really important that we clarify the fact that when we talk about short term accommodations,

1702
03:11:23,000 --> 03:11:27,000
we aren't just discussing and I'm going to use air quotes here, Airbnb's.

1703
03:11:27,000 --> 03:11:31,000
In fact, Airbnb is not a type of accommodation.

1704
03:11:31,000 --> 03:11:37,000
It's simply a rental platform that is used to assist short term accommodation owners and renting out their properties.

1705
03:11:37,000 --> 03:11:45,000
So the best analogy that I can give in and one that I'd give in in public engagement sessions is when we talk about Airbnb it's much in the same way that we talk about cleanx.

1706
03:11:45,000 --> 03:11:49,000
You may ask your friend for a cleanx, but we are asking for a really as a tissue.

1707
03:11:49,000 --> 03:11:53,000
Airbnb is a brand and it's not a type of accommodation.

1708
03:11:53,000 --> 03:11:59,000
So on Airbnb, in fact, you can find accommodation listings from multiple types of short term accommodations.

1709
03:11:59,000 --> 03:12:07,000
So traditional bed and breakfast, trailers, even tents, in addition to what most people think of as Airbnb's.

1710
03:12:07,000 --> 03:12:13,000
And if I can make the assumption, my guess is when most people talk about Airbnb's, what they're really talking about,

1711
03:12:13,000 --> 03:12:19,000
a residential dwelling units that are being rented out in their entirety to the traveling public.

1712
03:12:20,000 --> 03:12:29,000
So to be clear, the town of Osaga Beach does not currently permit the rental of a residential dwelling unit and it's entirety to the traveling public.

1713
03:12:29,000 --> 03:12:34,000
And this report does not make the recommendation that we permit that in the future.

1714
03:12:34,000 --> 03:12:42,000
Airbnb's if we had referred to them as such, currently are not permitted anywhere in town regardless of the zoning.

1715
03:12:42,000 --> 03:12:46,000
However, when we do look at the ways in which the town does regulate short term accommodations,

1716
03:12:46,000 --> 03:12:52,000
we need to understand that there are essentially four main types, and they're listed for you on your screens.

1717
03:12:52,000 --> 03:13:01,000
Unfortunately, the titles of these different types that come from the zoning by-law and the business licensing by-law and their definitions are at times quite confusing.

1718
03:13:01,000 --> 03:13:11,000
And I know that staff are looking at ensuring that these definitions if you're more to colloquial uses of these types of words, so that in the future it'll be a little bit more.

1719
03:13:11,000 --> 03:13:15,000
Better to be understood by the public and by business owners looking to establish these types of businesses.

1720
03:13:15,000 --> 03:13:21,000
So right now we have tourist establishments short term accommodations, bed and breakfast hotels and hotels.

1721
03:13:21,000 --> 03:13:25,000
These all fall under the umbrella of short term accommodation.

1722
03:13:25,000 --> 03:13:34,000
So the most important distinction to note between these types of accommodations are the bed and breakfasts, which are permitted in residential zones.

1723
03:13:34,000 --> 03:13:40,000
Function of the type of short term accommodation, but the difference here between what we're going to be talking about is Airbnb's.

1724
03:13:40,000 --> 03:13:46,000
And bed and breakfast is that in a bed and breakfast, this is the primary residence of the person who owns the property.

1725
03:13:46,000 --> 03:13:51,000
They reside in that residence and they are present when guests are present.

1726
03:13:51,000 --> 03:14:00,000
We also have short term accommodations and tourist establishments and these involve properties that are rented out to the traveling public, where the owner does not reside.

1727
03:14:00,000 --> 03:14:04,000
And they are typically not present when it's being rented out.

1728
03:14:04,000 --> 03:14:12,000
So included in this category are things like cottage courts, but also things like lodging houses.

1729
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:21,000
We have trailer parks anywhere where a unit is being rented to the traveling public that doesn't have a primary residential use.

1730
03:14:21,000 --> 03:14:25,000
So these are typically businesses that are found in the commercial zones.

1731
03:14:25,000 --> 03:14:29,000
So commercial chairs and the commercial accommodation zones.

1732
03:14:29,000 --> 03:14:34,000
And finally there are more traditional hotels and motels, which are covered under short term accommodations.

1733
03:14:34,000 --> 03:14:48,000
And I think you're all pretty well versed in what those are like, but of the essential difference between these and a lot of the other types of accommodations is that they may or may not involve kitchen facilities and they're usually serviced by a communal entrance.

1734
03:14:48,000 --> 03:14:54,000
So the town currently regulates short term accommodations through a mixture of zoning and licensing.

1735
03:14:54,000 --> 03:15:00,000
So zoning is a key regulatory tool that is used by municipalities to manage the location and operation of shelter.

1736
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:13,000
Chairman accommodations. By designing specific areas or zones, where they're permitted, we can control the impact that these businesses have on residential neighborhoods, ensuring that they align with community standards and land use objectives.

1737
03:15:13,000 --> 03:15:26,000
So the map that you have before you, on it's something that's on the Engage Recycle website, it's also something that was in the report, outlines the areas where we currently permit short-term accommodations, and by that I mean all of those four different types.

1738
03:15:26,000 --> 03:15:38,000
The only thing that's not included on here would be where we permit bed and breakfast, because those are permitted in residential zones, and it just didn't make sense to color the entire town, one particular, one particular color for that zone.

1739
03:15:38,000 --> 03:15:42,000
So just assume that they're permitted everywhere.

1740
03:15:42,000 --> 03:15:55,000
So in addition to zoning, licensing works in tandem to further regulate short-term accommodations by setting specific operational standards that property owners must meet to legally offer their properties for rental.

1741
03:15:55,000 --> 03:16:07,000
So through the licensing process, municipalities can enforce compliance with zoning, ensuring that STAs operate only in permitted areas, and adhere to safety, health, and community impact requirements.

1742
03:16:07,000 --> 03:16:16,000
Licensing also allows for regular inspections and renewals, providing a mechanism to address ongoing concerns and to maintain oversight of these businesses.

1743
03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:22,000
So right now currently in the 10th of August, I can reach in order to obtain a license for a short-term accommodation.

1744
03:16:22,000 --> 03:16:28,000
Business owners have to provide the following short-listed application requirements.

1745
03:16:28,000 --> 03:16:35,000
So they have to show proof that they own the property, articles of incorporation, a minimal insurance requirement fees.

1746
03:16:35,000 --> 03:16:42,000
They have to undergo in the zoning and building compliance checks, and undergo in fire and property standards and inspections.

1747
03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:54,000
So while we have been licensing businesses up until now, I will say that what we require is pretty light when we consider what our neighboring communities require to obtain a license.

1748
03:16:54,000 --> 03:17:08,000
So despite having an existing licensing system, town staff have acknowledged the difficulties associated with ensuring that the regulatory framework that licenses these types of businesses keeps pace with the evolving landscape of short-term accommodations.

1749
03:17:08,000 --> 03:17:16,000
Data that was presented back to you in July shows that the town has a large number of 595 units as of March of 2024.

1750
03:17:16,000 --> 03:17:23,000
A large number of businesses that expands you over a thousand in the summer that are operating outside of our bylaws.

1751
03:17:23,000 --> 03:17:30,000
And when we look at where these places are currently operating, the majority of these are operating in zones where we would not permit them to operate.

1752
03:17:30,000 --> 03:17:40,000
So it's not as simple as saying that we have a thousand businesses operating, but if we were to license them all, we would achieve a huge share of revenue.

1753
03:17:40,000 --> 03:17:48,000
The fact is that 90% of these, we wouldn't license, so they require enforcement.

1754
03:17:48,000 --> 03:17:55,000
So as the data clearly shows from a simple compliance standpoint, there's obviously the large proportion of businesses that operate outside of our current bylaws.

1755
03:17:55,000 --> 03:18:04,000
This puts a strain on only on our enforcement staff, but also strains between the town and force with staff businesses and our residents.

1756
03:18:04,000 --> 03:18:11,000
Because they're the ones who are living in the neighborhoods, they're the ones who are having to deal with denoise, the parking, the property standards complaints.

1757
03:18:11,000 --> 03:18:18,000
In fact, I don't know if you recall if in the last report, but the town of Osaka Beach faces a unique problem in comparison to our neighbors.

1758
03:18:18,000 --> 03:18:38,000
We have over three times the amount of complaints about short-term accommodations, and they receive in calling would connoting tiny, where they're looking at 50 complaints a year, part of being, they're looking at 50 complaints a year, and then the instituted a new licensing framework, whereas we're looking at 300 plus in a year.

1759
03:18:38,000 --> 03:18:46,000
And these are the only complaints that we receive from the public, these aren't our officers going out proactively to look for violations.

1760
03:18:46,000 --> 03:18:58,000
These two issues of non-compliance, when compared with what I'm going to call a party reputation, so the town has obviously gained a reputation as a party destination for younger groups.

1761
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:06,000
These two things, paired together, has reaching impacts not only on the quality of life of our residents, but also on local businesses and tourism.

1762
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:15,000
And it's something that we saw in our public engagement session with our stakeholders, our business community, that they do have a concern about this over a reliance on weakened party tourism.

1763
03:19:15,000 --> 03:19:22,000
And how that's going to limit our economic growth potential in the future.

1764
03:19:22,000 --> 03:19:36,000
So the goal of this project really has been to create a regulatory framework that's able to strike that balance between supporting local economy, driving tourism, preserving the character and livability of residential neighborhoods.

1765
03:19:36,000 --> 03:19:40,000
And to do this, I felt that this solution really needed to achieve the following.

1766
03:19:40,000 --> 03:19:46,000
It had to create a framework that is transparent with a clear set of expectations for businesses.

1767
03:19:46,000 --> 03:19:51,000
It needed to reduce the impact of short-term accommodations on the residential character of neighborhoods.

1768
03:19:51,000 --> 03:19:58,000
And this would be reductions in some of the main concerns that residents have around noise, parking, garbage, occupancy.

1769
03:19:58,000 --> 03:20:01,000
And I needed to thank you.

1770
03:20:01,000 --> 03:20:09,000
Creating more resilient tourism community that works towards the larger goal of rebuilding what we're looking at as the wasabi beach family fund brand.

1771
03:20:10,000 --> 03:20:17,000
So as outlined in the report, the recommendations, which are listed here, some of which have already actually been adopted, including number one,

1772
03:20:17,000 --> 03:20:20,000
the recommendations that were put forth are forefold.

1773
03:20:20,000 --> 03:20:24,000
The fresh being the use of enhanced enforcement tools.

1774
03:20:24,000 --> 03:20:30,000
And that is really represented by the introduction of amps penalties, STA compliance software, which Council adopted.

1775
03:20:30,000 --> 03:20:37,000
And a new proactive enforcement strategies to STAs that will be able to be achieved through that compliance software.

1776
03:20:37,000 --> 03:20:40,000
The second would be the introduction of a demerit point system.

1777
03:20:40,000 --> 03:20:49,000
So this is a transparent accountability system that really works to deter bad actors and encourages all operators to maintain high standards.

1778
03:20:49,000 --> 03:20:55,000
And the idea is that ultimately this will lead to a more reputable and reliable accommodation sector.

1779
03:20:55,000 --> 03:21:01,000
Third, the recommendation for a new bylaw that is separated from the business licensing bylaw.

1780
03:21:01,000 --> 03:21:05,000
And that this bylaw work to regulate ST operations.

1781
03:21:05,000 --> 03:21:10,000
And that provides more clearly defined standards for operators but also for guests.

1782
03:21:10,000 --> 03:21:13,000
And it promotes more responsible management practices.

1783
03:21:13,000 --> 03:21:17,000
And finally, that we develop a tourism partnership program.

1784
03:21:17,000 --> 03:21:26,000
The purpose of this program being to incentivize property owners to invest in their businesses to provide superior guest experiences.

1785
03:21:26,000 --> 03:21:28,000
And to elevate the accommodations on offer.

1786
03:21:28,000 --> 03:21:32,000
And really this is all to encourage our tourists who come to visit here.

1787
03:21:32,000 --> 03:21:37,000
Not just to stay in play but to invest in the community that they visit.

1788
03:21:37,000 --> 03:21:40,000
So I just want to thank you for your consideration of these recommendations.

1789
03:21:40,000 --> 03:21:44,000
Just open the floor to any questions that anybody might have.

1790
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:50,000
Thank you very much, Carly, for the excellent presentation in the long but excellent report.

1791
03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:52,000
It's very informative.

1792
03:21:52,000 --> 03:21:55,000
The numbers here are staggering.

1793
03:21:56,000 --> 03:22:05,000
In my opinion, it's it's an idea that it was this they were the numbers were that high and that we had that many units currently in town.

1794
03:22:05,000 --> 03:22:10,000
So what opened the floor? This was actually pulled by Councillor Belonci, we'll start with you Councillor.

1795
03:22:10,000 --> 03:22:11,000
Thank you.

1796
03:22:11,000 --> 03:22:15,000
Through the mayor of many of my questions were answered through your presentation.

1797
03:22:15,000 --> 03:22:24,000
So thank you because when we talked about the property owner residing in the president,

1798
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:27,000
they cleared that out between the two types.

1799
03:22:27,000 --> 03:22:37,000
So the only question I have and it'll probably be towards director planning is that when we do the new official plan,

1800
03:22:37,000 --> 03:22:52,000
are we are we changing some of the zoning on some of these locations like I have been contacted by residents where it's very confusing to me,

1801
03:22:52,000 --> 03:22:58,000
where one building is in a tourist accommodation zone,

1802
03:22:58,000 --> 03:23:08,000
and one building that is very close to that building is not allowed and has been contacted by Vila.

1803
03:23:08,000 --> 03:23:17,000
And when you look at the two locations, it makes no sense that there's a difference in the zoning.

1804
03:23:17,000 --> 03:23:31,000
So I'm not sure where we're going with the official plan, but clearly in the areas of Beach 1, 2 and 3 if you're north of Mosley,

1805
03:23:31,000 --> 03:23:41,000
it would seem that that would be kind of ideal tourist accommodation area, and yet it seems to be hit and miss.

1806
03:23:41,000 --> 03:23:49,000
So again, I don't know if we're looking at that, but certainly as we do the official plan,

1807
03:23:49,000 --> 03:23:59,000
that there's certain areas of our town where it seems it would be much more desirable to have a tourist come and visit a location in that area,

1808
03:23:59,000 --> 03:24:05,000
close to the water as opposed to, in a subdivision and blueberry trail or whatever.

1809
03:24:05,000 --> 03:24:07,000
So thank you.

1810
03:24:07,000 --> 03:24:09,000
Can you answer that, Trevor?

1811
03:24:09,000 --> 03:24:14,000
Through your worship, my read of the staff report in Carla, Carla can correct me if I'm wrong,

1812
03:24:14,000 --> 03:24:19,000
is that there was no conclusion as to where the uses were supposed to be allowed or not.

1813
03:24:19,000 --> 03:24:25,000
In fact, my recollection was that it was a split half of the people pulled or whatever it was,

1814
03:24:25,000 --> 03:24:28,000
it should be all in in commercial zones or designations.

1815
03:24:28,000 --> 03:24:32,000
The other half said, well, maybe we can allow it somewhere else.

1816
03:24:32,000 --> 03:24:37,000
So to answer your question, the official plan has a section for STAs.

1817
03:24:37,000 --> 03:24:43,000
And if you look at the first draft, it's on the website, it's got a big blank in it,

1818
03:24:43,000 --> 03:24:52,000
because I don't think US Council or the public has given us direction as to what or where you do or do not want those.

1819
03:24:52,000 --> 03:24:59,000
So that's something that when we do the public meeting on October the 20th and going forward to the end of this year with the new official plan,

1820
03:24:59,000 --> 03:25:04,000
decisions will have to be made as to where you do and do not want them.

1821
03:25:04,000 --> 03:25:10,000
In terms of the zoning by law, obviously the zoning by law, the new zoning by law will mirror whatever it come.

1822
03:25:10,000 --> 03:25:13,000
You come up with with the official plan.

1823
03:25:13,000 --> 03:25:18,000
There will be obviously, I wasn't here in 2003 when the current zoning by law was done,

1824
03:25:18,000 --> 03:25:25,000
but there certainly it would seem there's, for example, cottage courts or the ones that come up a lot.

1825
03:25:25,000 --> 03:25:31,000
Some of the cottage courts are rates fact-dab in the middle of a residential area and they have a commercial zone.

1826
03:25:31,000 --> 03:25:38,000
Well, that was probably because back in 2003 we wanted to recognize them as legal and not make them legal and not conforming.

1827
03:25:38,000 --> 03:25:44,000
Going forward if the desire is no, we want those cottage courts to be redeveloped into something else.

1828
03:25:44,000 --> 03:25:52,000
We can develop policies in the official plan to encourage that and or we can take the zoning and make them legal and not conforming or give them something else.

1829
03:25:52,000 --> 03:26:00,000
None of those decisions have been rendered yet, but those are the decisions that you're going to have to be making in the next four to five months.

1830
03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:03,000
No, well just in follow up to that.

1831
03:26:03,000 --> 03:26:11,000
I would tell you that when you look at the strategic plan that's just presented to us,

1832
03:26:11,000 --> 03:26:23,000
the opinion of residents related to have tourist accommodation in their area is skewed to a very unregulated kind of thing.

1833
03:26:23,000 --> 03:26:31,000
Like if we have to merit points and they know that if we had a bad actor that they could potentially lose their license,

1834
03:26:31,000 --> 03:26:46,000
we're putting a lot of things in place to make sure those operators are higher quality and that the renters that I think party houses are particularly the problem.

1835
03:26:46,000 --> 03:26:55,000
And we have quite a number where we have, even they don't reside in Wasega Beach, the owners of the houses.

1836
03:26:55,000 --> 03:27:06,000
They're not on site and they end up renting to maybe to the maximum number of bad state by young people and then they invite another 30 people.

1837
03:27:06,000 --> 03:27:17,000
So by the end of the weekend, you get this terrible situation, but certainly on a demerit point system where you could potentially lose your license,

1838
03:27:17,000 --> 03:27:31,000
I would think that kind of behavior will be curved a lot and that would hopefully we need to project into the future as we make our decisions as counsel.

1839
03:27:31,000 --> 03:27:33,000
Thank you for the attention, Trevor.

1840
03:27:33,000 --> 03:27:34,000
Are you good?

1841
03:27:34,000 --> 03:27:55,000
I was just going to say I agree with the counselor there's perhaps not my decision to make obviously, but there's something to be said about having a robust licensing system in place and operational first and more of a restrictive OP and zoning second.

1842
03:27:55,000 --> 03:28:07,000
See how the beta testing on your licensing by law operates first, work out those bugs and then decide if you want as a counsel or as a community.

1843
03:28:07,000 --> 03:28:11,000
Now that we know that our licensing system is operational and it's functioning.

1844
03:28:11,000 --> 03:28:15,000
Now we can decide if we want to open it up to other areas.

1845
03:28:15,000 --> 03:28:25,000
The other way you can do it is have a robust system in place be a little bit more conservative and your planning documents do a beta test for season or whatever it is.

1846
03:28:25,000 --> 03:28:28,000
Then come back we can always amend the official plan in the zoning later.

1847
03:28:28,000 --> 03:28:36,000
But if you're not comfortable today, get the system in place, see how it works and then we can come back if that's what counsel chooses to do.

1848
03:28:36,000 --> 03:28:39,000
Excellent, excellent recommendation makes total sense.

1849
03:28:40,000 --> 03:28:51,000
I think you worship if I may I'm just also to address some of the counselors comments there there's actually a portion of the of the report that does speak to permitted uses.

1850
03:28:51,000 --> 03:29:00,000
And what we should be looking at that going forward and Trevor is correct in his recollection that members of the public including those who attended the stakeholder engagement sessions.

1851
03:29:00,000 --> 03:29:04,000
We're rather split in where they felt that accommodation should be.

1852
03:29:04,000 --> 03:29:08,000
I'm a majority of them saying that they should be in commercial zones.

1853
03:29:08,000 --> 03:29:10,000
Quite a few of them saying perhaps the waterfront.

1854
03:29:10,000 --> 03:29:20,000
But what we heard resoundingly was that they would feel comfortable if this use was expanded but only if we figured out a way to better regulate the ones that we currently have.

1855
03:29:20,000 --> 03:29:28,000
And that was that was the biggest concern was can we create a system that actually can regulate what we permit before we open up permissions.

1856
03:29:28,000 --> 03:29:38,000
The report itself also suggests that when we look at the map the zoning map that we saw earlier about where they're permitted that many of them are located among major traffic corridors.

1857
03:29:38,000 --> 03:29:48,000
And that as the planning department looks at the OPE as they're looking at the zoning by law amendments that they perhaps give us to give some consideration to the actual.

1858
03:29:48,000 --> 03:29:59,000
Recommendations that were provided by the public through our engagement process and they look at maybe I'm considering some mixed use zoning for some of these properties along these quarters that would permit.

1859
03:29:59,000 --> 03:30:00,000
Future.

1860
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:06,000
Development for residential. For some of these properties and what that might do in the hope would be that in the future.

1861
03:30:06,000 --> 03:30:13,000
Some of these properties, which people, which many residents have complained seem derelict or seem out of character for this surrounding areas,

1862
03:30:13,000 --> 03:30:18,000
that those might be developed into housing that is much needed down the line.

1863
03:30:18,000 --> 03:30:26,000
So while the report doesn't provide a specific recommendation for that, it does ask that the planning department take the findings of this report into consideration.

1864
03:30:26,000 --> 03:30:36,000
And you're absolutely right, Trevor, in saying that, you know, we're what we're looking to do right now is to ensure that the system we have in place works before we try to expand its use.

1865
03:30:36,000 --> 03:30:52,000
But I will say that I've been working on a little project for the past nine months, but when it's wrapped up in September in the next two weeks, there will be a new report going to you in October with a proposed pilot project about what that may look like.

1866
03:30:52,000 --> 03:30:54,000
So stay tuned.

1867
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:00,000
I'm hoping it's small.

1868
03:31:02,000 --> 03:31:04,000
I was brilliant, that was brilliant.

1869
03:31:04,000 --> 03:31:08,000
All right, next is Councillor Delayo.

1870
03:31:08,000 --> 03:31:12,000
Thank you, three-year Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Carly, for that report.

1871
03:31:12,000 --> 03:31:16,000
I believe Councillor Belonji touched on what I wanted to say, but I'm good.

1872
03:31:16,000 --> 03:31:20,000
I want you to clarify so that I understand it in the public understands it.

1873
03:31:20,000 --> 03:31:30,000
So a homeowner, if he has a cottage, that homeowner is not allowed to have Airbnb, correct?

1874
03:31:30,000 --> 03:31:43,000
So that homeowner, if their property is a residently zoned cottage, is not permitted to rent it out to the traveling public without them being present on that property.

1875
03:31:43,000 --> 03:31:48,000
If they were present on the property at the time that they're renting out a room, that's a bed and breakfast.

1876
03:31:48,000 --> 03:31:52,000
They would be permitted to rent out their cottage as a bed and breakfast.

1877
03:31:52,000 --> 03:31:59,000
And that is what we think about where you're usually typically provided a meal in a communal facility and you rent out a room.

1878
03:31:59,000 --> 03:32:05,000
But otherwise, what we consider to be Airbnb's and quotes, that is not permitted.

1879
03:32:05,000 --> 03:32:08,000
Okay, because there are quite a few that have cottages.

1880
03:32:08,000 --> 03:32:14,000
They do come up for the weekends or a week here, a week there, and then for a week's time, where a week and they will rent it out.

1881
03:32:14,000 --> 03:32:16,000
So that will be illegal.

1882
03:32:16,000 --> 03:32:19,000
And they won't be here. It's like they'll rent it out and correct.

1883
03:32:19,000 --> 03:32:25,000
So as it currently stands as our licensing currently sends in as our zoning currently sends, that would not be permitted.

1884
03:32:25,000 --> 03:32:31,000
Which is why it's imperative that we address many of those through our enhanced enforcement tools.

1885
03:32:31,000 --> 03:32:42,000
So hence, the need for that compliance software that's going to be implemented before this licensing system rolls out, so that we do have the teeth necessary to enforce what we're proposing.

1886
03:32:42,000 --> 03:32:46,000
I think important to note, Councillor, that that has never been legal, and it's never been allowed.

1887
03:32:46,000 --> 03:32:48,000
This isn't new.

1888
03:32:48,000 --> 03:32:54,000
It's just happened, but this would be a certain way for us to enforce it.

1889
03:32:54,000 --> 03:33:00,000
Okay, the next one on the list is Councillor White.

1890
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:01,000
Thank you.

1891
03:33:01,000 --> 03:33:03,000
Where should I have three questions?

1892
03:33:03,000 --> 03:33:09,000
Any two of them would go towards Carly and the other one would be split between the deputy fire chief and the clerk.

1893
03:33:10,000 --> 03:33:22,000
The first one is, how does this, how do you see this approach to short-term accommodations specifically the Airbnb component of it?

1894
03:33:22,000 --> 03:33:25,000
In leveling the playing field with current tourism operators.

1895
03:33:25,000 --> 03:33:32,000
Currently tourism operators have to pay insurance and taxes and all these different elements that might not be.

1896
03:33:32,000 --> 03:33:40,000
I thought, currently there are B&Bs. I'm just wondering how you feel that levels that playing field a little bit to make competition a little bit more fair.

1897
03:33:40,000 --> 03:33:54,000
The second question is, based on what you're saying, do you see short-term accommodation, like Airbnb operators specifically, being companies that report income?

1898
03:33:54,000 --> 03:33:56,000
Therefore paying taxes and other things.

1899
03:33:56,000 --> 03:34:14,000
And then the last question, as I said, split between the clerk and the deputy fire chief, is, if we end up licensing all these extra units, do we have the ability to now inspect over 700 operations annually?

1900
03:34:14,000 --> 03:34:16,000
Thank you.

1901
03:34:17,000 --> 03:34:25,000
Thank you, Councillor Wade. I'll take the first part and then, Carly, you can, through a semester.

1902
03:34:25,000 --> 03:34:32,000
We currently do not have the capacity to inspect 700 units annually for as part of it.

1903
03:34:32,000 --> 03:34:41,000
As part of, I went through this with timing township as, as we license, the short-term rental places.

1904
03:34:41,000 --> 03:34:49,000
I will tell you there. We hired inspectors specifically to inspect the short-term accommodations.

1905
03:34:49,000 --> 03:35:06,000
They have, they employ granicates, which I believe is part of the plan here, who told them that there was a thousand units in tiny township that were operating as Airbnb's or whatever.

1906
03:35:06,000 --> 03:35:21,000
When council capped the number that they would license at 300, and then anything, they would license them all, but the capital 300, no new ones.

1907
03:35:21,000 --> 03:35:28,000
They ran through the licensing process two or three times and I think only 150 were licensed.

1908
03:35:28,000 --> 03:35:33,000
And I don't know where that number stands at. That was a couple of years ago.

1909
03:35:33,000 --> 03:35:44,000
We would not have the ability with our current staffing levels to be able to inspect additional units beyond one, one or two hundred.

1910
03:35:44,000 --> 03:35:56,000
It would be something that we would certainly be looking for for more staff in our inspection to be able to do that.

1911
03:35:57,000 --> 03:36:04,000
So you were a ship. I will say it right now. We currently license one and inspect 170 short-term accommodations.

1912
03:36:04,000 --> 03:36:10,000
And I would just point out that the report is certainly not recommending that we license those one thousand units.

1913
03:36:10,000 --> 03:36:24,000
In terms of leveling the playing field, I think that realistically the playing field will be leveled because these businesses, these Airbnb that are posing this kind of competition, is not going to be permitted.

1914
03:36:24,000 --> 03:36:33,000
As it currently stands. So realistically, all of the measures that we've put in place through compliance software through amps, et cetera, and through this new licensing system,

1915
03:36:33,000 --> 03:36:44,000
that our ability to enforce that to use demeripoints to use amps. That's what's going to level the playing field, because we're going to be able to shut these businesses down that are operating outside of our by-law.

1916
03:36:44,000 --> 03:36:48,000
And we're going to be able to do it faster than we were able to do it previously.

1917
03:36:48,000 --> 03:36:57,000
In addition to that, I would just say that you asked the question about whether or not Airbnb would be the type of businesses that would report income.

1918
03:36:57,000 --> 03:37:09,000
I think it's telling that in the survey, the percentage of people that reported that they currently already operate Airbnb's out of their properties.

1919
03:37:09,000 --> 03:37:19,000
And refused to report their income on an anonymous survey tells us that, however, should we do should we decide to license, you know, typical Airbnb's in the future.

1920
03:37:19,000 --> 03:37:24,000
Granicus also does, and I believe my colleague was looking at some of their software.

1921
03:37:24,000 --> 03:37:33,000
Granicus does offer a matte tax component that would allow us to be able to look at that and to ensure that should we do open this up.

1922
03:37:33,000 --> 03:37:40,000
We could collect those fees regardless of whether or not they wanted to report it because it would monitor their activity online.

1923
03:37:40,000 --> 03:37:43,000
Thank you.

1924
03:37:43,000 --> 03:37:45,000
Thank you, your worship and thank you for your responses.

1925
03:37:45,000 --> 03:37:53,000
I guess in the follow-up piece that's going to come, I would say, hopefully we could see what that would look like for expanded services.

1926
03:37:53,000 --> 03:37:58,000
I don't know how many we're going to license or whatever, but if there is going to be an additional staff or whatever,

1927
03:37:58,000 --> 03:38:06,000
to do inspections and make sure everybody's safe and come feed and make sure that those expenses would be put in so that we can compare it against any revenue that this may generate.

1928
03:38:06,000 --> 03:38:08,000
Thank you.

1929
03:38:08,000 --> 03:38:09,000
Thank you.

1930
03:38:09,000 --> 03:38:10,000
Thank you.

1931
03:38:10,000 --> 03:38:11,000
Carving.

1932
03:38:11,000 --> 03:38:12,000
Do you want to respond to that?

1933
03:38:12,000 --> 03:38:14,000
Sorry, just as a last point, your worship.

1934
03:38:14,000 --> 03:38:20,000
The report that will be coming forward in October won't have any further budgetary implications.

1935
03:38:20,000 --> 03:38:29,000
And any program that we propose that may expand some of these uses would be something that we could do with existing staff complement with an existing budget.

1936
03:38:29,000 --> 03:38:32,000
And you know, isn't something that we'd be coming forward with an ask.

1937
03:38:32,000 --> 03:38:34,000
Thank you.

1938
03:38:34,000 --> 03:38:39,000
And I would assume we could also look at that time with respect to the fees we charge for these inspections as well.

1939
03:38:39,000 --> 03:38:41,000
Correct as a constant doing business.

1940
03:38:41,000 --> 03:38:42,000
Absolutely.

1941
03:38:42,000 --> 03:38:49,000
And the report does clarify the fact that our fees are quite minimal when compared to our neighbors.

1942
03:38:49,000 --> 03:38:58,000
So for example, somebody who's renting out a cottage in a commercial zone that is permitted to do so would be paying $226 for the year in tiny township.

1943
03:38:58,000 --> 03:39:01,000
They'd be paying $1,700.

1944
03:39:01,000 --> 03:39:10,000
So we are quite below that market value and staff did recommend that next year we look after we've implemented this new licensing fee.

1945
03:39:10,000 --> 03:39:15,000
One year from then we re-look at those fees right now we're able to cost for cover.

1946
03:39:15,000 --> 03:39:22,000
The administration of this program and because we're not really expanding use I don't see that there's any reason why this cost should grow.

1947
03:39:22,000 --> 03:39:32,000
So the idea was in the first year of this program since we are asking for businesses to provide us a lot more documentation to put a lot more effort and investment in their businesses.

1948
03:39:32,000 --> 03:39:36,000
It wouldn't be fair at the same time to then substantially increase fees.

1949
03:39:36,000 --> 03:39:39,000
So let's see if we can get the program up and running.

1950
03:39:39,000 --> 03:39:44,000
Let's see if we can get the buy-in for our chairs and partnership program from the community before we re-examine those fees.

1951
03:39:44,000 --> 03:39:47,000
But yes, in 2026 we would be looking at that.

1952
03:39:47,000 --> 03:39:49,000
Thank you.

1953
03:39:49,000 --> 03:39:52,000
Thank you very much, Carly.

1954
03:39:52,000 --> 03:39:55,000
We love you going to count for Tim's.

1955
03:39:55,000 --> 03:39:56,000
Thank you.

1956
03:39:56,000 --> 03:40:00,000
One of the advantages disadvantage of going after a few people have talked.

1957
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:03,000
My notes are growing and growing and growing.

1958
03:40:03,000 --> 03:40:08,000
I do always love pilot projects because it does give us a bit of an out.

1959
03:40:08,000 --> 03:40:13,000
But I am concerned of why do we think of ourselves as keeping the fees so minimal.

1960
03:40:13,000 --> 03:40:15,000
I mean, that's such a huge difference.

1961
03:40:15,000 --> 03:40:24,000
If I was opening a hotel, I know I have a considerable financial investment to make into my business or any other business.

1962
03:40:24,000 --> 03:40:29,000
Commercial bricks and mortar type of business, it's expected.

1963
03:40:29,000 --> 03:40:39,000
I also looked at those generic points and I ask, are they heavy enough or will someone just decide,

1964
03:40:39,000 --> 03:40:42,000
take a risk is just a class of doing business?

1965
03:40:42,000 --> 03:40:44,000
How often will I get caught?

1966
03:40:44,000 --> 03:40:50,000
If I get caught, 150 bucks, I didn't get caught the last three times.

1967
03:40:50,000 --> 03:40:53,000
So that kind of worries me a little bit.

1968
03:40:53,000 --> 03:40:58,000
I'm glad you mentioned Matt because I think that's what's going to help level the playing field.

1969
03:40:58,000 --> 03:41:01,000
As Councillor White mentioned.

1970
03:41:01,000 --> 03:41:10,000
And I also wonder too if there's an opportunity to have some sort of deposit program.

1971
03:41:10,000 --> 03:41:14,000
Like they do with their clients, damaged deposits.

1972
03:41:14,000 --> 03:41:20,000
To make sure that these operators are complying with the community partnership plan.

1973
03:41:20,000 --> 03:41:23,000
Because there's quite a lot to answer.

1974
03:41:23,000 --> 03:41:24,000
And a quick story.

1975
03:41:24,000 --> 03:41:31,000
Just about a week and a half ago someone told me I believe in the twin Creek development.

1976
03:41:31,000 --> 03:41:33,000
Someone has bought a house in there.

1977
03:41:33,000 --> 03:41:35,000
Put a lot of money into it.

1978
03:41:35,000 --> 03:41:36,000
Huge backyard.

1979
03:41:36,000 --> 03:41:38,000
Incredible swimming pool.

1980
03:41:38,000 --> 03:41:40,000
They rarely come up themselves.

1981
03:41:40,000 --> 03:41:48,000
But it's rented out constantly and because it's so nice, people really leave the property to go to the beach.

1982
03:41:48,000 --> 03:41:54,000
But it's just one big party house all weekend long.

1983
03:41:54,000 --> 03:41:57,000
And you know, much to the secret of the neighbor.

1984
03:41:57,000 --> 03:42:04,000
So I feel that this part of this study was really to try to get rid of that situation.

1985
03:42:04,000 --> 03:42:16,000
When Councillor White or Councillor Bologna, I think was talking about what areas lend themselves more to allowing these kinds of rentals.

1986
03:42:16,000 --> 03:42:26,000
I think the river is also an area that there's a lot of Airbnb type businesses that's happening now.

1987
03:42:26,000 --> 03:42:29,000
And there's justification for that.

1988
03:42:29,000 --> 03:42:32,000
It's not entirely just the beach.

1989
03:42:32,000 --> 03:42:34,000
A lot of comments there.

1990
03:42:34,000 --> 03:42:37,000
Thank you for hearing me out.

1991
03:42:38,000 --> 03:42:40,000
Through your worship.

1992
03:42:40,000 --> 03:42:46,000
So I enjoy some of these comments because it gives this a chance to kind of dig into some of the particulars.

1993
03:42:46,000 --> 03:42:53,000
And just to touch on the last one first about the demerit points kind of how I arrived at their valuation.

1994
03:42:53,000 --> 03:42:56,000
And what we would do about that particular situation.

1995
03:42:56,000 --> 03:43:02,000
I think that having this program in place will help us in dealing with those types of party houses,

1996
03:43:02,000 --> 03:43:05,000
specifically operating without a license.

1997
03:43:05,000 --> 03:43:09,000
Right now though it would have a demerit point attached to it for those who had been licensed.

1998
03:43:09,000 --> 03:43:12,000
And let's say we're suspended and then tried to operate.

1999
03:43:12,000 --> 03:43:15,000
It is attached to an amps penalty.

2000
03:43:15,000 --> 03:43:20,000
So right now that property should we have received once this bylaws pass.

2001
03:43:20,000 --> 03:43:22,000
Should we have received that complaint?

2002
03:43:22,000 --> 03:43:24,000
Our officers would be able to go out.

2003
03:43:24,000 --> 03:43:26,000
They'd be able to use the granica software.

2004
03:43:26,000 --> 03:43:30,000
They'd be able to prove that this house was operating as such.

2005
03:43:30,000 --> 03:43:33,000
And they'd be able to lay a $2,000 a day charge.

2006
03:43:33,000 --> 03:43:42,000
So I would guess that there might be a handful of properties here that might be able to account for $2,000 a day as per their business costs.

2007
03:43:42,000 --> 03:43:47,000
But I would say that $2,000 a day without being too onerous.

2008
03:43:47,000 --> 03:43:55,000
And too punitive is probably going to be enough of a deterrent that if somebody was just received it twice over a weekend.

2009
03:43:55,000 --> 03:43:58,000
That that would have them reconsidering their business.

2010
03:43:58,000 --> 03:44:04,000
How we arrived at the fees at the cost of each of those demerit points.

2011
03:44:04,000 --> 03:44:12,000
Was really looking at our ability not just to hand up one ticket or one demerit point and one amps penalty.

2012
03:44:12,000 --> 03:44:15,000
But rather our ability to stack those.

2013
03:44:15,000 --> 03:44:19,000
So the likelihood of us coming to a property and saying that there's a noise violation.

2014
03:44:19,000 --> 03:44:25,000
Here's your $400 penalty chances are there's going to be a couple of other violations that are happening at the same time.

2015
03:44:25,000 --> 03:44:31,000
And we're not only going to be targeting the property owners, but we're going to be targeting the guests as well.

2016
03:44:31,000 --> 03:44:43,000
So part of this by a lot that we're proposing will have an undesignated section that's not under amps that will allow us to still go after visitors through our POA system.

2017
03:44:43,000 --> 03:44:47,000
So we're holding visitors to account in addition to our business owners.

2018
03:44:48,000 --> 03:44:57,000
So we're recognizing that both of them have a responsibility to play when they come in to stay at our town to ensuring that you know what they're doing and what their behavior is doing.

2019
03:44:57,000 --> 03:45:00,000
That it respects the kind of community that we're wanting to build.

2020
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:20,000
And the actual specifics of the demerit points were based off of our overall licensing fee. So, for a year, we charge $226, then is a fair that, for us to say, that you need to pay a $2,000 fine when you disobey your parking management plan, or is it more likely that we would double the fee that you pay yearly to operate?

2021
03:45:20,000 --> 03:45:26,000
And obviously, these are fees that will have to be re-examined as we re-examined our overall licensing fees.

2022
03:45:26,000 --> 03:45:34,000
I will say that in 2019 when we did conduct a review of those business licensing fees, we were on par and actually about higher than the rest of the community.

2023
03:45:34,000 --> 03:45:42,000
And we picked those fees specifically because we were an already established program that had already been licensing.

2024
03:45:42,000 --> 03:45:50,000
So, we were able to cost or cover under those fees. And I would warn that, you know, probably we're not able to cost or cover to the same extent right now.

2025
03:45:50,000 --> 03:46:04,000
However, most places like 20 township, calling would all of the other places that are currently coming out with their business licensing bylaws, they are now having to hire staff in order to do it, so they're increasing their fees.

2026
03:46:04,000 --> 03:46:07,000
We're not having to hire staff to continue regulating this.

2027
03:46:07,000 --> 03:46:15,000
And in fact, we've invested in the software, we've invested in the programs that allow us to do it more efficiently, so we don't have the same types of overhead administrative costs.

2028
03:46:15,000 --> 03:46:22,000
So that's why the recommendation was that I think that we can leave it on par for now, but we should look at it in the future.

2029
03:46:22,000 --> 03:46:23,000
Thank you.

2030
03:46:23,000 --> 03:46:25,000
Thank you.

2031
03:46:25,000 --> 03:46:26,000
All right.

2032
03:46:26,000 --> 03:46:28,000
Supplemental accounts are going ahead.

2033
03:46:28,000 --> 03:46:29,000
Thank you.

2034
03:46:29,000 --> 03:46:34,000
I just want to say I'm really impressed with the report, what a tremendous body of work.

2035
03:46:34,000 --> 03:46:43,000
And thank you very much to you, Carly, and the folks that worked with you on providing such a great piece.

2036
03:46:43,000 --> 03:46:48,000
All right. Thank you, Councillor. Next is Deputy Mayor.

2037
03:46:49,000 --> 03:46:51,000
Thank you.

2038
03:46:51,000 --> 03:46:52,000
Thank you.

2039
03:46:52,000 --> 03:46:54,000
Thank you.

2040
03:46:54,000 --> 03:46:56,000
Such a great report.

2041
03:46:56,000 --> 03:47:01,000
And so I've got a few comments and suggestions and questions.

2042
03:47:01,000 --> 03:47:09,000
So first of all, regarding the demands and the amps program, would you consider increasing both number eight

2043
03:47:09,000 --> 03:47:17,000
around back occupancy as we see this is a constant violation in our community and obviously relates significantly

2044
03:47:17,000 --> 03:47:21,000
to safety as well as number 10, which is the habitable room.

2045
03:47:21,000 --> 03:47:30,000
Again, I think as financial pressures continue to layer up, you know, people might be renting out their sheds or doing things like that.

2046
03:47:30,000 --> 03:47:34,000
So I think that would be a good one to increase as well.

2047
03:47:34,000 --> 03:47:42,000
The recommendation number seven of the report, the tourism partner program, I absolutely love this idea.

2048
03:47:42,000 --> 03:47:50,000
I think this community has been long waiting for this type of connection between marketing, collateral events, messaging,

2049
03:47:50,000 --> 03:47:53,000
getting directly into the hands of our visitors.

2050
03:47:53,000 --> 03:48:00,000
I think it's fantastic. It's nice that you put it voluntarily because obviously they have to be willing to put the work out.

2051
03:48:00,000 --> 03:48:09,000
Maybe consider that you would also then add a badge or you had something special that any of those that are compliant and active in that program

2052
03:48:09,000 --> 03:48:18,000
could then put on their platforms saying that they're like a super host kind of badge type thing through the community.

2053
03:48:18,000 --> 03:48:21,000
That one got insert.

2054
03:48:21,000 --> 03:48:30,000
So we're going to just subdivision. So as we know, there are over a thousand in the summertime illegal Airbnb places.

2055
03:48:30,000 --> 03:48:34,000
So if someone was operating one of those in a subdivision, let's say,

2056
03:48:34,000 --> 03:48:41,000
and they occupy the upstairs, but it's a fully furnished suite in the basement that they rent out short term.

2057
03:48:41,000 --> 03:48:48,000
Is that going to be still be permitted or would they be encouraged to be a B&B first question?

2058
03:48:48,000 --> 03:48:55,000
Through your worship. So to address that question, then they would have to apply for a better breakfast license.

2059
03:48:55,000 --> 03:49:01,000
And obviously that would go through zoning compliance checks. So it really depend on what that basement area looked like.

2060
03:49:01,000 --> 03:49:04,000
It couldn't have separate kitchen facilities, for example.

2061
03:49:04,000 --> 03:49:07,000
And we do face a lot of that right now.

2062
03:49:07,000 --> 03:49:14,000
One of our one of the biggest issues I think that we face in regulating short term accommodations is that bed and breakfast license.

2063
03:49:14,000 --> 03:49:22,000
Because people are using that as a cover for operating what we're going to be calling the full on Airbnb is where the owners not present.

2064
03:49:22,000 --> 03:49:28,000
So that would not be permitted if they're not operating it as a standard bed and breakfast.

2065
03:49:28,000 --> 03:49:37,000
But the beauty of it is that our compliance offer will help us understand how they're operating that and that will help us with the enforcement.

2066
03:49:37,000 --> 03:49:38,000
Thank you.

2067
03:49:38,000 --> 03:49:39,000
Thank you.

2068
03:49:39,000 --> 03:49:42,000
Let's get to know thank you supplementary.

2069
03:49:42,000 --> 03:49:51,000
So when I was expecting this report to come forward, I assume that there would be some recommendations on how to embrace some of the thousand that are out there.

2070
03:49:52,000 --> 03:50:09,000
You know, because some people operate some really unique experiences and and I have some reservations and pulling all that inventory off of availability for our clientele because most, you know, family fun traveling folks they do want a unique environment like that versus some of the inventory.

2071
03:50:09,000 --> 03:50:11,000
We currently offer in our community.

2072
03:50:11,000 --> 03:50:20,000
So are you considering to maybe have some level where people are able to submit a proposal, show enhanced pictures, video.

2073
03:50:20,000 --> 03:50:28,000
So that we're looking for the beautiful golden nuggets that are currently being offered and kind of hand selecting some of those to still be able to offer.

2074
03:50:28,000 --> 03:50:39,000
Through your worship, so that's, you know, you've kind of encapsulated precisely what some of our engagement sessions have come out with and and you know what's going to be coming forward to you and October because.

2075
03:50:39,000 --> 03:50:49,000
One of the biggest things that I've learned from this project and having spoken with the business community with the residents is that we do have a large number of businesses that are operating as.

2076
03:50:49,000 --> 03:50:56,000
Legal Airbnb's currently and when I, you know, when those people have come forward to me and we've had discussions about their businesses.

2077
03:50:56,000 --> 03:51:01,000
I've gone and I've looked them up in our by-law system and there's no complaints about their properties.

2078
03:51:01,000 --> 03:51:04,000
So there's people who are doing it and they're doing it well.

2079
03:51:04,000 --> 03:51:12,000
And they're servicing a need as you've identified, you know, in our church population as a parent with a small child.

2080
03:51:12,000 --> 03:51:20,000
I would probably more like be more likely to gravitate towards a cottage versus a hotel for a week if I wanted to stay for a week would be quite costly.

2081
03:51:20,000 --> 03:51:25,000
So I think there is a way for us to do this well if we have the correct licensing in place.

2082
03:51:25,000 --> 03:51:36,000
So just as a, you heads up for what would be coming in October and something that I've talked about with the business community would be looking at a program that would allow some of these businesses to operate.

2083
03:51:36,000 --> 03:51:42,000
They would have to, they would have to achieve the tourism partnership plan.

2084
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:45,000
Bad, if you will, that's standard.

2085
03:51:45,000 --> 03:51:49,000
And they would have to abide by all the same rules as every other type of accommodation.

2086
03:51:49,000 --> 03:51:59,000
And it would be a very small number so that we knew that we could regulate them effectively and that it wouldn't cost us any more in administrative costs to to overlook these.

2087
03:51:59,000 --> 03:52:04,000
And it would be a private project that would be done in conjunction with economic development staff.

2088
03:52:04,000 --> 03:52:16,000
A way of looking at figuring out, you know, we know that there, that a lot of these short term accommodations cost problems, but what about the ones that don't what are the operational.

2089
03:52:16,000 --> 03:52:20,000
Ethos of these businesses that actually works with our community.

2090
03:52:20,000 --> 03:52:28,000
So that would be coming forward and it is in recognition of some of these businesses that are doing really well and that are bringing value to our community.

2091
03:52:28,000 --> 03:52:30,000
Thank you.

2092
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:32,000
Your ship, I warned you.

2093
03:52:32,000 --> 03:52:33,000
I had a few.

2094
03:52:33,000 --> 03:52:35,000
That makes me really happy to hear.

2095
03:52:35,000 --> 03:52:42,000
And I think if that is the case and the recommendation coming forward, I think their fees could be significantly higher to consider Tim's point.

2096
03:52:42,000 --> 03:52:49,000
You know, somewhere more in line with tiny and whatnot because they're making such significant revenue off of that property.

2097
03:52:49,000 --> 03:52:52,000
And also might need a little bit more extra minding.

2098
03:52:52,000 --> 03:52:53,000
Just final question.

2099
03:52:54,000 --> 03:53:01,000
How do you see rolling this out? Are you going to do a mail or tell the operators? Are you thinking to pull them in for a meeting?

2100
03:53:01,000 --> 03:53:11,000
Are you thinking to have some support services for those that maybe aren't tech savvy to upload documents on to computers or whatever to submit their their compliance.

2101
03:53:11,000 --> 03:53:13,000
Through your worship.

2102
03:53:13,000 --> 03:53:19,000
So really what we're looking at is obviously bringing forward the the by law, which is actually already written.

2103
03:53:19,000 --> 03:53:22,000
It's just being vetted right now through legal counsel.

2104
03:53:22,000 --> 03:53:27,000
You know, assuming that that council has no wishes to change in either recommendations.

2105
03:53:27,000 --> 03:53:37,000
So that would also involve a robust campaign of again engagement sessions in person sessions like what we had been doing up into this point with the business community.

2106
03:53:37,000 --> 03:53:39,000
So we do for those relations.

2107
03:53:39,000 --> 03:53:47,000
We do have the ability to contact all of them to let them know about these changes and starting that campaign once the by law is passed.

2108
03:53:47,000 --> 03:53:51,000
So hopefully before we get into the you know the dark days of winter.

2109
03:53:51,000 --> 03:53:59,000
Because we need to give them the opportunity to figure out their operations and to give them enough notice before the new year begins.

2110
03:53:59,000 --> 03:54:07,000
So that would be a mixture of you know having by law and licensing there that would be economic development because we would have our tourism partnership program that needs to get off the ground.

2111
03:54:07,000 --> 03:54:09,000
So there's a lot of work to do in the meantime.

2112
03:54:09,000 --> 03:54:13,000
But it would involve you know, an engage with saga page of better.

2113
03:54:13,000 --> 03:54:18,000
I think that we need a better page on the the town website for licensing and a portal there.

2114
03:54:18,000 --> 03:54:23,000
We do require right now that people submit their business license application to do the city view portal.

2115
03:54:23,000 --> 03:54:28,000
And and our currently our business licensing officer does assist people with that.

2116
03:54:28,000 --> 03:54:33,000
Should they require and these are you know for the people that are currently licensed.

2117
03:54:33,000 --> 03:54:36,000
And chances are these are the people that are going to be licensed again next year.

2118
03:54:36,000 --> 03:54:38,000
So it should be fairly routine to them.

2119
03:54:38,000 --> 03:54:47,000
But we will have to have you know robust information sessions because what we're asking from them next year is far different than what we've ever asked them for.

2120
03:54:47,000 --> 03:54:55,000
So we're asking them to you know tell us to present us with a business case that shows that they're proactively thinking about how their business impacts the community.

2121
03:54:55,000 --> 03:54:58,000
So I think communication will be key to that.

2122
03:54:58,000 --> 03:54:59,000
Thank you.

2123
03:55:04,000 --> 03:55:05,000
Thank you.

2124
03:55:05,000 --> 03:55:06,000
Deputy.

2125
03:55:06,000 --> 03:55:08,000
We're going back to Councillor Tinnon's.

2126
03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:09,000
I'm sorry.

2127
03:55:09,000 --> 03:55:10,000
Councillor Delio.

2128
03:55:10,000 --> 03:55:11,000
Thank you.

2129
03:55:11,000 --> 03:55:12,000
Through you.

2130
03:55:12,000 --> 03:55:13,000
Mayor.

2131
03:55:13,000 --> 03:55:17,000
I have to bring this back up because I'm not sitting well with this.

2132
03:55:17,000 --> 03:55:20,000
So when I asked the question about cottagers.

2133
03:55:20,000 --> 03:55:21,000
They're there.

2134
03:55:21,000 --> 03:55:23,000
But yet they rented out for a week or two.

2135
03:55:23,000 --> 03:55:25,000
Mr. Mayor, you indicated that.

2136
03:55:25,000 --> 03:55:28,000
It's illegal for them to do that today.

2137
03:55:28,000 --> 03:55:29,000
So correct.

2138
03:55:29,000 --> 03:55:34,000
So speaking to a few residents that have had the same offenders on their street.

2139
03:55:34,000 --> 03:55:35,000
Doing this.

2140
03:55:35,000 --> 03:55:38,000
I kind of wish Rachel was here now with Baila.

2141
03:55:38,000 --> 03:55:42,000
According to them, Baila's been called out several times.

2142
03:55:42,000 --> 03:55:46,000
What was done? Why are they still in existence? If it's illegal, what?

2143
03:55:46,000 --> 03:55:48,000
So how would this program be any different?

2144
03:55:48,000 --> 03:55:52,000
If they're running it illegally now, Baila's been out there.

2145
03:55:52,000 --> 03:55:54,000
Nothing has been done because they're still doing it.

2146
03:55:54,000 --> 03:55:58,000
So what would be the difference now with this program?

2147
03:55:59,000 --> 03:56:02,000
Before I go to Carly, I think it's important to point out.

2148
03:56:02,000 --> 03:56:04,000
I highly doubt that nothing has been done.

2149
03:56:04,000 --> 03:56:08,000
I think the system in which we have in place today in the Baila,

2150
03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:13,000
on the way we are able to issue summonses and so on and so forth is very

2151
03:56:13,000 --> 03:56:17,000
owner-sum and cumbersome and not effective.

2152
03:56:17,000 --> 03:56:20,000
So probably something has been done.

2153
03:56:20,000 --> 03:56:25,000
The new system under the amps program is immediate.

2154
03:56:25,000 --> 03:56:29,000
It's a dollar value and I would argue,

2155
03:56:29,000 --> 03:56:34,000
Councillor, if you want to teach somebody or someone to get someone to comply,

2156
03:56:34,000 --> 03:56:36,000
you take money out of their pocket.

2157
03:56:36,000 --> 03:56:39,000
They'll comply just about every single time.

2158
03:56:39,000 --> 03:56:42,000
Which is why the amps program has been brought in and it's so important.

2159
03:56:42,000 --> 03:56:45,000
But I'll turn it over to Carly now to speak to it as well.

2160
03:56:45,000 --> 03:56:46,000
Thank you.

2161
03:56:46,000 --> 03:56:49,000
Through your worship, I feel like you're pretty well.

2162
03:56:50,000 --> 03:56:53,000
Sir, that question precisely how I would have,

2163
03:56:53,000 --> 03:56:58,000
I will say that back in 2019 I was the business licensing officer for the town.

2164
03:56:58,000 --> 03:57:02,000
So I do know precisely what it is that these complaints

2165
03:57:02,000 --> 03:57:06,000
taking what's involved in them from our enforcement standpoint.

2166
03:57:06,000 --> 03:57:10,000
And I will say that the mayor is correct that it's unlikely that nothing would have been done

2167
03:57:10,000 --> 03:57:12,000
if we had received a complaint.

2168
03:57:12,000 --> 03:57:16,000
But that the burden of evidence required from our enforcement staff

2169
03:57:16,000 --> 03:57:20,000
to be able to prosecute these types of infections is really high.

2170
03:57:20,000 --> 03:57:25,000
And that is why getting software like grannicus in conjunction with all of these things,

2171
03:57:25,000 --> 03:57:28,000
because it's not just a new by-law that's going to solve this problem.

2172
03:57:28,000 --> 03:57:33,000
It's, you know, those four things together that are really going to help us affect change

2173
03:57:33,000 --> 03:57:38,000
that that's going to cut that time and half for our officers.

2174
03:57:38,000 --> 03:57:42,000
It's going to make it much easier for us to be able to prove that these activities are taking place.

2175
03:57:43,000 --> 03:57:46,000
In addition to that, the mayor is correct that obviously, you know,

2176
03:57:46,000 --> 03:57:48,000
we're not going to have to worry about going through the POA system.

2177
03:57:48,000 --> 03:57:53,000
It's something that we're going to be able to tackle right away from the property owner level.

2178
03:57:53,000 --> 03:57:58,000
And so all of these things combined together what's going to make this program different.

2179
03:57:58,000 --> 03:58:00,000
It's not one specific thing.

2180
03:58:00,000 --> 03:58:01,000
Thank you.

2181
03:58:01,000 --> 03:58:02,000
All right.

2182
03:58:02,000 --> 03:58:06,000
Now moving on to Councillor Belonci and then I'm going to go to you Councillor.

2183
03:58:06,000 --> 03:58:08,000
You go for the last point.

2184
03:58:08,000 --> 03:58:09,000
Thank you, Mayor.

2185
03:58:10,000 --> 03:58:11,000
Yeah.

2186
03:58:11,000 --> 03:58:14,000
As the discussion went on, I had a few things.

2187
03:58:14,000 --> 03:58:20,000
But one thing I will tell you is that, you know, people are very creative.

2188
03:58:20,000 --> 03:58:24,000
Like this, this enforcement will not be easy.

2189
03:58:24,000 --> 03:58:30,000
If we have a thousand people, they have become accustomed to a level of revenue.

2190
03:58:30,000 --> 03:58:35,000
In fact, some homes have been purchased in, we say,

2191
03:58:35,000 --> 03:58:38,000
specifically, to rent out.

2192
03:58:38,000 --> 03:58:42,000
So they're only option when we close them down is to sell that home.

2193
03:58:42,000 --> 03:58:48,000
So they're going to get creative about building the rules and breaking the rules.

2194
03:58:48,000 --> 03:58:54,000
And but to the mayor's point, like, I know of cottagers too,

2195
03:58:54,000 --> 03:59:01,000
where they don't do a lot of renting and they have friends and family that specifically,

2196
03:59:02,000 --> 03:59:09,000
they do have a very high standard of who they're willing to rent their cottagers home too.

2197
03:59:09,000 --> 03:59:11,000
And that's going to happen.

2198
03:59:11,000 --> 03:59:16,000
And other than if we don't get a complaint, it'll continue to happen.

2199
03:59:16,000 --> 03:59:22,000
And that will be an illegal non-conforming cottage, I guess.

2200
03:59:22,000 --> 03:59:24,000
But we'll never know about those.

2201
03:59:24,000 --> 03:59:28,000
And it's probably not a problem for our community.

2202
03:59:28,000 --> 03:59:32,000
But I do believe that this is going to be an enforcement challenge,

2203
03:59:32,000 --> 03:59:37,000
because they're going to find a way to continue to drive revenue.

2204
03:59:37,000 --> 03:59:42,000
I have a couple other questions.

2205
03:59:42,000 --> 03:59:47,000
One being is with the demerit point, we know right now,

2206
03:59:47,000 --> 03:59:54,000
we have some very good operations where there's animosity nonetheless with neighbors.

2207
03:59:54,000 --> 03:59:58,000
And we're going to get complaints whether they're warranted or not.

2208
03:59:58,000 --> 04:00:00,000
So I know with...

2209
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:24,000
With some of our clients, like with noise or certain things, there has to be multiple complaints from more than one neighbor before we would take it seriously, if we suspect that there's a personality conflict or animosity, so that's one thing we have to look at.

2210
04:00:24,000 --> 04:00:50,000
When we talk about of the 1,000 units of selecting some that have had no complaints and letting them continue to operate in residential zones, that scares me a little because you're setting president and how do you make that totally fair and transparent or, you know, old G.C. had dinner with a mayor five years ago.

2211
04:00:51,000 --> 04:00:55,000
That's fair enough because they're license, you know, like.

2212
04:00:56,000 --> 04:01:02,000
So, no, no, no, we have to be careful with that.

2213
04:01:02,000 --> 04:01:17,000
But I think another good opportunity might be, and I don't know, what's possible, but no note, a lot of these illegal operations are involved in tax evasion as well.

2214
04:01:17,000 --> 04:01:23,000
Not just not just the tax that they're not getting a license, but actually with the CRA.

2215
04:01:23,000 --> 04:01:34,000
And I'm wondering if we should look into the possibility and offer the threat that if you are illegal.

2216
04:01:34,000 --> 04:01:44,000
And if we have proof that you have been with our software that you've been renting and everything else, that will also be reported to the CRA.

2217
04:01:45,000 --> 04:01:49,000
Because that would be a significant deterrent.

2218
04:01:49,000 --> 04:01:51,000
So, thank you.

2219
04:01:51,000 --> 04:01:55,000
Thank you, Councillor. And I'm going to go to Councillor Ego.

2220
04:01:55,000 --> 04:02:00,000
You, so you wish it, so the term I'm just right here is cottage.

2221
04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:09,000
And yet I think maybe some people in this town refer it, I'm not sure, like, to residents that they purchased in a subdivision.

2222
04:02:09,000 --> 04:02:23,000
But they use it, maybe, for a cottage. So, do you define cottage as a seasonal and then a residents of something they can rent out a risk or even differentages on that?

2223
04:02:23,000 --> 04:02:25,000
Through your worship.

2224
04:02:25,000 --> 04:02:29,000
Are we talking about cottages as the term that we use colloquial here?

2225
04:02:29,000 --> 04:02:35,000
Are we talking about cottages as the term that we would finally, let's say, in the zoning by law?

2226
04:02:39,000 --> 04:02:46,000
Because one of these, I'm handing over to church.

2227
04:02:46,000 --> 04:02:55,000
Through to your worship. For the purposes of your zoning by law in a typical plans of subdivision, like in our one zone, it's dwelling unit.

2228
04:02:55,000 --> 04:03:05,000
We don't refer to it as cottages or dwelling units. There are cottage courts and there's other definitions that are specific to the tourist establishment.

2229
04:03:05,000 --> 04:03:10,000
The type of use is, but in terms of residential housing, it's always referred to as a dwelling unit.

2230
04:03:10,000 --> 04:03:11,000
You welcome.

2231
04:03:11,000 --> 04:03:22,000
But I think for clarity, there are a lot of people that own for residential homes in subdivisions and condominiums, and it's their cottage, since they're second home.

2232
04:03:22,000 --> 04:03:24,000
So we refer to it as cottage.

2233
04:03:24,000 --> 04:03:31,000
But under the zoning act, as Trevor says, that we don't differentiate either one of those.

2234
04:03:31,000 --> 04:03:34,000
All right, I'm going to break my own rule here.

2235
04:03:34,000 --> 04:03:38,000
Only because I'm getting the evil eye, and I'm going to give Councillor Layout the last shot here.

2236
04:03:38,000 --> 04:03:43,000
Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor. Councillor Belange, he hit on something.

2237
04:03:43,000 --> 04:03:46,000
So it's just for my own curiosity.

2238
04:03:46,000 --> 04:03:49,000
Somebody has cottage.

2239
04:03:49,000 --> 04:03:52,000
And they live in it, but they're going away.

2240
04:03:52,000 --> 04:03:58,000
And he said, they give it to family members or friends for a week or a weekend.

2241
04:03:58,000 --> 04:03:59,000
And then they pay for it.

2242
04:03:59,000 --> 04:04:04,000
What if those family members or those friends don't pay for it?

2243
04:04:04,000 --> 04:04:06,000
So you can have people going in.

2244
04:04:06,000 --> 04:04:09,000
They're saying, just let's say, you're my friend and you're not paying for it.

2245
04:04:09,000 --> 04:04:11,000
Is that that's still apply?

2246
04:04:11,000 --> 04:04:14,000
When there's no fee transactions.

2247
04:04:14,000 --> 04:04:23,000
So you worship. So it would be that kind of commercial exchange at commercial activity that would define that short-term accommodation.

2248
04:04:23,000 --> 04:04:29,000
You know, your friends to come say at your cottage for a weekend while you happen to not be there.

2249
04:04:29,000 --> 04:04:33,000
That's not something that we would enforce or something that would be against our bylaws.

2250
04:04:33,000 --> 04:04:41,000
However, I'm sure there's numerous people in our enforcement history that have tried to take that tack.

2251
04:04:41,000 --> 04:04:43,000
So bylaw will show up to the property.

2252
04:04:43,000 --> 04:04:47,000
They'll say, are you renting this property? The person says, nope.

2253
04:04:47,000 --> 04:04:50,000
I am the friend of someone who owns this property.

2254
04:04:50,000 --> 04:04:52,000
But the difference is going to be in the future.

2255
04:04:52,000 --> 04:04:56,000
And it touches on something that Councillor Bilaje said as well.

2256
04:04:56,000 --> 04:04:58,000
Is that these types of things.

2257
04:04:58,000 --> 04:05:04,000
If there is a commercial aspect to it, if they are renting it through an online platform,

2258
04:05:04,000 --> 04:05:09,000
and Granicus will look up to over 80 different types of platforms, we will see that.

2259
04:05:09,000 --> 04:05:15,000
So it is something that unlike before, we would have no idea and have no way to prove that we could prove now.

2260
04:05:15,000 --> 04:05:18,000
So if there is some kind of commercial activity involved, we will see it.

2261
04:05:18,000 --> 04:05:24,000
And chances are, if you have a family member coming to state your cottage, and you know that you're going to be coming up the next weekend,

2262
04:05:24,000 --> 04:05:30,000
you're not going to rent it out to your party cousin, because you're going to be worried that when you come up the next time your neighbors are going to dislike you.

2263
04:05:30,000 --> 04:05:34,000
So chances are it's more responsible kind of use of your property.

2264
04:05:34,000 --> 04:05:40,000
But absolutely that commercial, that transaction is really important to how we're defining these properties.

2265
04:05:40,000 --> 04:05:42,000
Thank you.

2266
04:05:43,000 --> 04:05:46,000
So as soon as always bad actors, right?

2267
04:05:46,000 --> 04:05:50,000
And as always people are going to try and stretch it out as much as they can.

2268
04:05:50,000 --> 04:05:53,000
I just have a few items here, Carly.

2269
04:05:53,000 --> 04:06:00,000
So I think first of all, it's important to note that business licensing fees, I think we need to look at that.

2270
04:06:00,000 --> 04:06:08,000
And what we're charging in with respect to accommodation here, that the business licensing fees that we're applying to.

2271
04:06:08,000 --> 04:06:18,000
legitimate businesses, cottage courts, hotels, motels, so on and so forth, that we look at those more favorable because these are folks who are paying business tax.

2272
04:06:18,000 --> 04:06:23,000
They are paying a higher level of municipal tax.

2273
04:06:23,000 --> 04:06:26,000
They have a lot of overhead and responsibility.

2274
04:06:26,000 --> 04:06:37,000
So I think we need to differentiate those fees from the fees of someone who is just buying a cottage or owns a home and wants to put it into some kind of rental program.

2275
04:06:37,000 --> 04:06:40,000
Of their owner, whatever, for an Airbnb.

2276
04:06:40,000 --> 04:06:51,000
And so therefore, with respect to tiny fees versus our fees, I think absolutely we can say if you want to be an Airbnb, the fee is this much higher.

2277
04:06:51,000 --> 04:07:06,000
I also think that in all fairness to the local businesses who have been here for many years, or anyone who has invested the cost to buy a cottage corridor, hotel, motel, or build a hotel, all year in future for that matter.

2278
04:07:06,000 --> 04:07:13,000
That we really do look at limiting the amount of Airbnb's we are going to allow within the municipality.

2279
04:07:13,000 --> 04:07:20,000
You know, we have a lot of good folks who run good accommodation programs and properties here in town.

2280
04:07:20,000 --> 04:07:22,000
They've been in a long time.

2281
04:07:22,000 --> 04:07:30,000
And they're suffering. They're suffering today and they've been suffering for years because of this Airbnb, illegal Airbnb, and rental.

2282
04:07:30,000 --> 04:07:40,000
And it's completely unfair. And if we want to attract more business to reduce the amount of residential municipal tax, then we need to be on top of this.

2283
04:07:40,000 --> 04:07:43,000
And so I think we need to come up with a number that is reasonable.

2284
04:07:43,000 --> 04:07:50,000
And what is that? So if we look at what we have for accommodation in town currently, that is a legal entity.

2285
04:07:50,000 --> 04:07:57,000
And the amount of Airbnb's that are out there, maybe that's how we come to what a number should be in his fair.

2286
04:07:57,000 --> 04:08:01,000
And we can increase that number more difficult to decrease it.

2287
04:08:01,000 --> 04:08:06,000
So I would rather start low on the Airbnb and then see that increase over time.

2288
04:08:06,000 --> 04:08:13,000
You know, we're going to have a new hotel, top brand hotel built on our beachfront, with three incinerary hotels of rental units.

2289
04:08:13,000 --> 04:08:18,000
We're going somewhere around 400 plus hotel type units available.

2290
04:08:18,000 --> 04:08:25,000
Plus all of the other hotel motel cottage courts that are here currently should they decide to stay in that business.

2291
04:08:26,000 --> 04:08:33,000
And not go to. And when I say that, I don't mean that we're at a business, but they may decide as we move along and look at housing options.

2292
04:08:33,000 --> 04:08:37,000
They may decide to get out of the short-term rental and into a long-term.

2293
04:08:37,000 --> 04:08:43,000
So it's important that we get that number right and it be low in the beginning, I think.

2294
04:08:43,000 --> 04:08:53,000
The cost for inspections, I think the same. I think the cost to inspect a legitimate business that has been here or, you know, has the overhead that a real business has versus an Airbnb.

2295
04:08:53,000 --> 04:09:01,000
I think those inspection costs should be considerably more because, you know, we should be recouping all of that cost in my opinion.

2296
04:09:01,000 --> 04:09:05,000
Just because you have an Airbnb does not mean you're a business.

2297
04:09:05,000 --> 04:09:09,000
And I think it's important that we keep that in mind.

2298
04:09:09,000 --> 04:09:17,000
The other thing is that I absolutely believe they have to have a business license if they want to be an Airbnb.

2299
04:09:17,000 --> 04:09:21,000
And that they absolutely have to be involved in the MATT tax program.

2300
04:09:21,000 --> 04:09:27,000
And we need to be able to track that. The MATT tax program, I think, when all of a sudden done,

2301
04:09:27,000 --> 04:09:36,000
is really going to help in taking the pressure off the residential property owners here for the cost of events,

2302
04:09:36,000 --> 04:09:41,000
concerts, so on and so forth along with all the other things that we're doing to help with that.

2303
04:09:41,000 --> 04:09:47,000
So it's important that we're collecting this MATT tax wherever we possibly can.

2304
04:09:47,000 --> 04:09:53,000
And I think these units have to absolutely be involved in that.

2305
04:09:53,000 --> 04:09:59,000
I think the fines need to be large and you indicated currently $2,000 a day.

2306
04:09:59,000 --> 04:10:01,000
I absolutely support that.

2307
04:10:01,000 --> 04:10:03,000
So anyway, you're going to get in compliance.

2308
04:10:03,000 --> 04:10:09,000
Some of these places, I know of a couple in town or I shouldn't say I know I have heard of a couple in town.

2309
04:10:09,000 --> 04:10:17,000
That has been somewhat substantiated in upwards of $1,200 to $1,500 a night.

2310
04:10:17,000 --> 04:10:21,000
So the fine being hired, that is fine with me.

2311
04:10:21,000 --> 04:10:27,000
I mean, you're going to really rethink your business plan if you're losing money.

2312
04:10:27,000 --> 04:10:37,000
And I also think where we allow Airbnb's within the municipality are, is very important.

2313
04:10:37,000 --> 04:10:47,000
Four-time residents or four-time cottage owners, whatever you like, should not have to endure the disruption of a party house,

2314
04:10:47,000 --> 04:10:53,000
or even a woman that's rented out to two or three families with seven or eight or ten kids running around,

2315
04:10:53,000 --> 04:10:57,000
or screaming and yelling just because it's in an Airbnb.

2316
04:10:57,000 --> 04:11:01,000
Our residents, like any resident, has a right to quite enjoyment of their property.

2317
04:11:01,000 --> 04:11:05,000
And so I think we really need to be careful as to where we allow these.

2318
04:11:05,000 --> 04:11:15,000
There was some conversation amongst myself and some staff earlier on about what,

2319
04:11:15,000 --> 04:11:22,000
and how we go about determining where we're going to allow Airbnb's and what areas of town.

2320
04:11:22,000 --> 04:11:31,000
Or if you want an Airbnb, for example, and you're on a residential area, then you have to go and get something signed by a high percentage of your neighbors,

2321
04:11:31,000 --> 04:11:34,000
75 or 80 percent that says they're okay with it.

2322
04:11:34,000 --> 04:11:41,000
Before we'll even consider it, these types of things, because we do not want to, I know I've faced it firsthand,

2323
04:11:41,000 --> 04:11:44,000
where you've got to get up and go to work the next morning.

2324
04:11:45,000 --> 04:11:52,000
There's Billy and Sally next door with all their buddies, and they're having a great time and fireworks are going off at 10 o'clock at night,

2325
04:11:52,000 --> 04:11:56,000
with no care or concern for people who live there.

2326
04:11:56,000 --> 04:12:00,000
Or not wanting to be up all night.

2327
04:12:00,000 --> 04:12:04,000
So I think that's very important as well.

2328
04:12:04,000 --> 04:12:11,000
The last thing I want to touch on is the amount of time and effort,

2329
04:12:11,000 --> 04:12:14,000
Carly and other staff that you've put into this.

2330
04:12:14,000 --> 04:12:20,000
This is probably one of, in all of my time, on council.

2331
04:12:20,000 --> 04:12:25,000
I had never seen such a comprehensive report.

2332
04:12:25,000 --> 04:12:27,000
It's an amazing report.

2333
04:12:27,000 --> 04:12:29,000
It's very, very comprehensive.

2334
04:12:29,000 --> 04:12:34,000
It almost spells out and answers any question that we asked here, and I understand we asked questions,

2335
04:12:34,000 --> 04:12:39,000
because we want the public to hear, but it was very comprehensive, very detailed.

2336
04:12:39,000 --> 04:12:48,000
And I thank you for that, and perhaps when you come back from your nine-month project,

2337
04:12:48,000 --> 04:12:54,000
that we should have, everyone should maybe, we should just have Carly and everyone just sends all their ideas and what,

2338
04:12:54,000 --> 04:12:55,000
and she does the report.

2339
04:12:55,000 --> 04:12:57,000
At times just kidding.

2340
04:12:57,000 --> 04:12:58,000
We have a ton of stuff.

2341
04:12:58,000 --> 04:13:01,000
We do great reports, but this is the most comprehensive I've ever seen.

2342
04:13:01,000 --> 04:13:04,000
I want to thank you for that, because this is very important.

2343
04:13:04,000 --> 04:13:07,000
This is important not only to us on council.

2344
04:13:07,000 --> 04:13:13,000
It's important to the people who live here 365, but it's also important to our business community,

2345
04:13:13,000 --> 04:13:19,000
who, as I say, have invested big dollars to be in business, and they're paying a price now.

2346
04:13:19,000 --> 04:13:21,000
They're losing revenue.

2347
04:13:21,000 --> 04:13:25,000
Substantially, losing revenue and have been for years because of these illegal rentals.

2348
04:13:25,000 --> 04:13:29,000
So I'm looking forward to these changes.

2349
04:13:29,000 --> 04:13:30,000
It was in my comments.

2350
04:13:30,000 --> 04:13:36,000
We do have a motion that the report titled Short-term Accommodation Project Recommendations Report to Council,

2351
04:13:36,000 --> 04:13:39,000
meeting of August 22nd, 2024.

2352
04:13:39,000 --> 04:13:44,000
BBC even that the Council direct staff to bring back at a later date, a new short-term accommodation

2353
04:13:44,000 --> 04:13:49,000
licensing by law, that encompasses the staff recommendations in this report.

2354
04:13:49,000 --> 04:13:52,000
Could I have a mover and a seconder for this, please?

2355
04:13:52,000 --> 04:13:53,000
Move by Councillor Belange.

2356
04:13:53,000 --> 04:13:58,000
Seconded by Councillor sorry, Deputy Mayor, now Madam Clerk.

2357
04:13:58,000 --> 04:13:59,000
Thank you, Bishop.

2358
04:13:59,000 --> 04:14:00,000
Councillor Belange.

2359
04:14:00,000 --> 04:14:01,000
In favor.

2360
04:14:01,000 --> 04:14:02,000
Councillor Delale.

2361
04:14:02,000 --> 04:14:03,000
In favor.

2362
04:14:03,000 --> 04:14:04,000
Councillor Ego.

2363
04:14:04,000 --> 04:14:05,000
In favor.

2364
04:14:05,000 --> 04:14:07,000
Deputy Mayor, now.

2365
04:14:07,000 --> 04:14:08,000
In favor.

2366
04:14:08,000 --> 04:14:09,000
Councillor Tins.

2367
04:14:09,000 --> 04:14:10,000
In favor.

2368
04:14:10,000 --> 04:14:11,000
Councillor Wait.

2369
04:14:11,000 --> 04:14:12,000
In favor.

2370
04:14:12,000 --> 04:14:13,000
Mayor.

2371
04:14:13,000 --> 04:14:14,000
In favor.

2372
04:14:14,000 --> 04:14:16,000
Thank you very much, Madam Clerk.

2373
04:14:16,000 --> 04:14:18,000
Moving on to the next item.

2374
04:14:18,000 --> 04:14:25,000
Here's the 23, 24, 80, our chamber's annual integrity commissioners reports.

2375
04:14:25,000 --> 04:14:31,000
And I will turn before I pass the silver for it to Councillor Wait.

2376
04:14:31,000 --> 04:14:35,000
Did you wish to speak to this, Madam Clerk?

2377
04:14:35,000 --> 04:14:40,000
There's nothing particular more to really highlight within the report.

2378
04:14:40,000 --> 04:14:44,000
This is a requirement within our contract that we have with ADR chambers.

2379
04:14:44,000 --> 04:14:48,000
I'm Ben Dorey, who is appointed as our integrity commissioner.

2380
04:14:48,000 --> 04:14:51,000
So I was happy to see the report.

2381
04:14:51,000 --> 04:14:59,000
I was thrilled to see that all the complaints received by the IC, none of them were founded.

2382
04:14:59,000 --> 04:15:00,000
And I think that's.

2383
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:13,000
This is a testament to this council. And then, administration working together to ensure that the policies and procedures and legislation that were governed, our municipality is followed in it here too.

2384
04:15:13,000 --> 04:15:18,000
Thank you, Madam Clerk, go away to an alternative to a councilor waiting to pull this item. Councilor Wayne?

2385
04:15:18,000 --> 04:15:29,000
Thank you, Your Worship, and to be clear, I did have a conversation with the I.C. is to, if I could, what I could or could not share of my experience, and to give me some very strict guidelines.

2386
04:15:29,000 --> 04:15:33,000
This comment even vetted by our clerk to make sure it stays on the good side.

2387
04:15:33,000 --> 04:15:35,000
I have received an I.C. complaint.

2388
04:15:35,000 --> 04:15:43,000
While I agree that the role of the I.C. is vital to an honest government, I feel in our case here, the taxpayer is being abused.

2389
04:15:43,000 --> 04:15:51,000
My complaint was directed towards two parts of the Code of Conduct. On the first point, it was ruled ordinary activity.

2390
04:15:51,000 --> 04:15:59,000
And on the second one, the comment was that the applicant was unaware of the purpose of the rule.

2391
04:15:59,000 --> 04:16:04,000
Baseless claims like this one, waste money and cause distraction.

2392
04:16:04,000 --> 04:16:10,000
I'd rather see the $10,000 that its municipality has spent dealing with these complaints.

2393
04:16:10,000 --> 04:16:16,000
Go to people in need rather than this type of frivolous activity. Thank you very much.

2394
04:16:17,000 --> 04:16:20,000
Thank you, Councillor White, any other questions or comments on this?

2395
04:16:20,000 --> 04:16:26,000
All right, I will comment as well on the side of the report.

2396
04:16:26,000 --> 04:16:37,000
There's been about just over $19,000 and $20,23 spent on the integrity commissioner for various reasons.

2397
04:16:37,000 --> 04:16:42,000
Some of that is for council to get direction for training for so on and so forth.

2398
04:16:42,000 --> 04:16:49,000
Roughly 10,000 little higher than 10,000 of that was spent on the integrity commissioner doing investigations.

2399
04:16:49,000 --> 04:16:54,000
Five investigations in total, so the average, I guess, would be 2,000 except.

2400
04:16:54,000 --> 04:17:03,000
One investigation was incomplete and the individual and complained did not or would not reply or respond to the integrity commissioner.

2401
04:17:03,000 --> 04:17:05,000
They simply dismissed it.

2402
04:17:05,000 --> 04:17:09,000
A second one was dismissed before investigation.

2403
04:17:09,000 --> 04:17:17,000
Before the integrity commissioner found an investigation was required and three of those were the remaining three were investigated.

2404
04:17:17,000 --> 04:17:26,000
And so the bulk of the money was spent on the remaining three, which is about $333,333 per investigation.

2405
04:17:26,000 --> 04:17:32,000
Three investigations that were all found by the integrity commissioner that the member of council being investigated.

2406
04:17:32,000 --> 04:17:35,000
Had done nothing wrong.

2407
04:17:35,000 --> 04:17:46,000
I would argue that the three complaints were all entered by the same person or persons.

2408
04:17:46,000 --> 04:17:57,000
And I would argue that the integrity commissioner is clear and I want to say I have the utmost respect for the integrity commissioner and the job they do.

2409
04:17:57,000 --> 04:18:11,000
But where I struggle is if an investigation is launched because of a complaint and the member of council is found guilty, the integrity commissioner then comes before council in public or consent a letter.

2410
04:18:11,000 --> 04:18:21,000
But it is an in public notice that the member of council has been found guilty and a sanction is recommended for council then to consider.

2411
04:18:21,000 --> 04:18:37,000
If a complaint is issued or is entered and the integrity commissioner finds that the member of council has not done anything wrong, then it is to be kept confidential.

2412
04:18:37,000 --> 04:18:40,000
And I struggle with that.

2413
04:18:40,000 --> 04:18:52,000
I think in any other system in this country, if you are accused of something you have every right and every ability to confront your accuser to defend yourself to make it public if you show wish.

2414
04:18:52,000 --> 04:18:59,000
And we have some folks who are making these complaints who in my opinion are just bitter.

2415
04:18:59,000 --> 04:19:05,000
So our greats, the last election, I have been there, get over it.

2416
04:19:05,000 --> 04:19:08,000
Give it your best the next time.

2417
04:19:08,000 --> 04:19:21,000
But they are wasting, staff time, council members time, and taxpayers money on frivolous and fixation complaints.

2418
04:19:21,000 --> 04:19:24,000
And this is just for 2023.

2419
04:19:24,000 --> 04:19:28,000
I know that this also occurred in 2022.

2420
04:19:28,000 --> 04:19:38,000
Now I may be stepping over the line here and I may have a complaint come up against me to the integrity commissioner because of how I'm speaking to this, but so be it.

2421
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:41,000
Right is right and wrong is wrong.

2422
04:19:41,000 --> 04:19:48,000
I strongly believe that if a member of this council or any council is accused of something.

2423
04:19:48,000 --> 04:19:55,000
They should have the right, I get the confidentiality during the investigation.

2424
04:19:55,000 --> 04:20:08,000
But once the findings of the integrity commissioner has been made, it is so wrong in my opinion that if your guilty, that becomes public and you're not guilty, it has to be confidential.

2425
04:20:08,000 --> 04:20:17,000
You should be able to say I was accused of this by so and so, and I was found to be innocent.

2426
04:20:18,000 --> 04:20:21,000
So we don't make the rules, I get it.

2427
04:20:21,000 --> 04:20:27,000
But I can tell you that I would struggle to not point that out.

2428
04:20:27,000 --> 04:20:40,000
And the reason I am so direct on this is because I believe that these complaints are coming from the same people and that what point?

2429
04:20:40,000 --> 04:20:51,000
Can the integrity commissioner decide that we've dealt with enough frivolous and dexatious or non-founded complaints by someone that I'm just not going to deal with them should they come through from these people anymore?

2430
04:20:51,000 --> 04:21:06,000
So I too commend council and staff for facing these challenges and the findings being as they are because I believe with every ounce of my being.

2431
04:21:06,000 --> 04:21:18,000
The staff here are second to none and that this council is following all the policies and procedures that are put in place by the municipal block by our procedural by law and by our code of conduct.

2432
04:21:18,000 --> 04:21:21,000
And I'll leave it at that council.

2433
04:21:21,000 --> 04:21:23,000
Thank you.

2434
04:21:23,000 --> 04:21:25,000
Through the worship.

2435
04:21:25,000 --> 04:21:31,000
Although I'm somewhat of an expert on this, I have no comment.

2436
04:21:31,000 --> 04:21:33,000
Thank you, Councillor.

2437
04:21:33,000 --> 04:21:34,000
All right.

2438
04:21:34,000 --> 04:21:38,000
We do have a motion then that the report title 2023-2024.

2439
04:21:38,000 --> 04:21:43,000
80 are chambers ink and your integrity commission report.

2440
04:21:43,000 --> 04:21:47,000
To the council meeting of August 22nd 2024, we received for information.

2441
04:21:47,000 --> 04:21:50,000
Can I remove it in a second for this please?

2442
04:21:50,000 --> 04:21:52,000
No, by council.

2443
04:21:52,000 --> 04:21:54,000
Ten a second about deputy mayor's now.

2444
04:21:54,000 --> 04:21:55,000
Madam Clerk.

2445
04:21:55,000 --> 04:21:56,000
Thank you.

2446
04:21:56,000 --> 04:21:57,000
We're sure Councillor Blanchay.

2447
04:21:57,000 --> 04:21:58,000
In favor.

2448
04:21:58,000 --> 04:21:59,000
Councillor Delayo.

2449
04:21:59,000 --> 04:22:00,000
In favor.

2450
04:22:00,000 --> 04:22:02,000
Councillor Ego.

2451
04:22:02,000 --> 04:22:04,000
David.

2452
04:22:04,000 --> 04:22:06,000
Deputy mayor's now.

2453
04:22:06,000 --> 04:22:07,000
In favor.

2454
04:22:07,000 --> 04:22:08,000
Councillor Timbs.

2455
04:22:08,000 --> 04:22:09,000
In favor.

2456
04:22:09,000 --> 04:22:10,000
Councillor White.

2457
04:22:10,000 --> 04:22:11,000
In favor.

2458
04:22:11,000 --> 04:22:12,000
And Mayor Smith.

2459
04:22:12,000 --> 04:22:13,000
In favor.

2460
04:22:13,000 --> 04:22:15,000
Care unanimously.

2461
04:22:15,000 --> 04:22:18,000
Thank you very much moving on now to the next title.

2462
04:22:18,000 --> 04:22:22,000
July 31st, 2024 City of Toronto Support Family Physicians.

2463
04:22:22,000 --> 04:22:26,000
And I'll turn this over to our clerk to speak to this.

2464
04:22:26,000 --> 04:22:29,000
And then this was pulled by Councillor Delayo.

2465
04:22:29,000 --> 04:22:30,000
Madam Clerk.

2466
04:22:30,000 --> 04:22:31,000
No.

2467
04:22:31,000 --> 04:22:33,000
Going to wait to Councillor Delayo.

2468
04:22:33,000 --> 04:22:34,000
Councillor Delayo.

2469
04:22:34,000 --> 04:22:36,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2470
04:22:36,000 --> 04:22:37,000
Through you.

2471
04:22:37,000 --> 04:22:44,000
I feel we should support this motion arising from the city of Toronto to support family physicians.

2472
04:22:45,000 --> 04:22:47,000
Regardless.

2473
04:22:47,000 --> 04:22:48,000
Okay.

2474
04:22:48,000 --> 04:22:52,000
Properly compensate family physicians with appropriate fee increases.

2475
04:22:52,000 --> 04:22:57,000
And reduce the administrative burden that the province places on family doctors.

2476
04:22:57,000 --> 04:23:00,000
So they have more time to see their patients.

2477
04:23:00,000 --> 04:23:08,000
Therefore, I would like to put a motion forward for a letter of support to be sent.

2478
04:23:08,000 --> 04:23:09,000
All right.

2479
04:23:09,000 --> 04:23:10,000
Thank you.

2480
04:23:10,000 --> 04:23:11,000
Any questions or comments?

2481
04:23:11,000 --> 04:23:13,000
Councillor White.

2482
04:23:13,000 --> 04:23:16,000
Just a comment that we might be offline.

2483
04:23:23,000 --> 04:23:24,000
Sorry.

2484
04:23:24,000 --> 04:23:25,000
Through your worship.

2485
04:23:25,000 --> 04:23:28,000
I'm having computer problems.

2486
04:23:28,000 --> 04:23:29,000
I'm sure.

2487
04:23:29,000 --> 04:23:31,000
What was that Madam Deputy Clerk?

2488
04:23:31,000 --> 04:23:33,000
Okay.

2489
04:23:33,000 --> 04:23:35,000
We're back online.

2490
04:23:35,000 --> 04:23:36,000
Yeah.

2491
04:23:36,000 --> 04:23:37,000
All right.

2492
04:23:37,000 --> 04:23:38,000
We've had a glitch.

2493
04:23:38,000 --> 04:23:39,000
We went offline.

2494
04:23:39,000 --> 04:23:40,000
But now we're back online.

2495
04:23:40,000 --> 04:23:41,000
All right.

2496
04:23:41,000 --> 04:23:42,000
Thank you.

2497
04:23:43,000 --> 04:23:44,000
All right.

2498
04:23:44,000 --> 04:23:46,000
Other questions or comments to members of Council?

2499
04:23:46,000 --> 04:23:47,000
Seeing none.

2500
04:23:47,000 --> 04:23:48,000
Madam Clerk.

2501
04:23:48,000 --> 04:23:49,000
Thank you.

2502
04:23:49,000 --> 04:23:50,000
Thank you.

2503
04:23:50,000 --> 04:23:51,000
Sorry.

2504
04:23:51,000 --> 04:23:52,000
Through your worship.

2505
04:23:52,000 --> 04:23:53,000
Sorry.

2506
04:23:53,000 --> 04:23:55,000
I've lost internet connection.

2507
04:23:55,000 --> 04:23:57,000
If you can just give me one moment please.

2508
04:23:57,000 --> 04:23:58,000
Thank you.

2509
04:23:58,000 --> 04:24:00,000
We'll just hold on for a second.

2510
04:24:06,000 --> 04:24:07,000
Well, we don't know that.

2511
04:24:07,000 --> 04:24:08,000
We'll check.

2512
04:24:09,000 --> 04:24:10,000
Yeah.

2513
04:24:29,000 --> 04:24:31,000
Are you trusting me?

2514
04:24:31,000 --> 04:24:32,000
Yeah.

2515
04:24:32,000 --> 04:24:34,000
You're welcome.

2516
04:24:34,000 --> 04:24:35,000
Sorry.

2517
04:24:39,000 --> 04:24:40,000
Sorry.

2518
04:24:44,000 --> 04:24:46,000
We're offline still yet.

2519
04:24:52,000 --> 04:24:53,000
What?

2520
04:24:53,000 --> 04:24:55,000
We're back online.

2521
04:24:55,000 --> 04:24:56,000
I think.

2522
04:25:08,000 --> 04:25:23,000
Sorry, your worship, please give me a minute.

2523
04:25:38,000 --> 04:25:40,000
Thank you.

2524
04:26:08,000 --> 04:26:10,000
Thank you.

2525
04:26:38,000 --> 04:26:40,000
Thank you.

2526
04:27:08,000 --> 04:27:09,000
Thank you.

2527
04:27:39,000 --> 04:27:40,000
Thank you.

2528
04:27:44,000 --> 04:27:45,000
Okay.

2529
04:27:57,000 --> 04:27:58,000
Okay.

2530
04:27:58,000 --> 04:28:00,000
So Councilor Wait.

2531
04:28:00,000 --> 04:28:01,000
Can.

2532
04:28:01,000 --> 04:28:02,000
On your.

2533
04:28:02,000 --> 04:28:03,000
Okay.

2534
04:28:03,000 --> 04:28:04,000
Okay.

2535
04:28:08,000 --> 04:28:22,000
Okay.

2536
04:28:22,000 --> 04:28:25,000
It looks like we may be alive again.

2537
04:28:25,000 --> 04:28:38,000
Okay.

2538
04:28:38,000 --> 04:28:42,000
So I just would like to do a test if there's.

2539
04:28:42,000 --> 04:28:48,000
I guess if staff listening if they can just indicate whether or not you can hear me.

2540
04:28:55,000 --> 04:28:58,000
We're down to the last few minutes of the meeting anyway.

2541
04:28:58,000 --> 04:29:00,000
I think what we're going to do is carry on.

2542
04:29:00,000 --> 04:29:02,000
Because we could very well be alive.

2543
04:29:02,000 --> 04:29:05,000
We just don't know at this point.

2544
04:29:05,000 --> 04:29:11,000
And if we should find out that it wasn't live then we will make sure that we amend.

2545
04:29:11,000 --> 04:29:16,000
The minutes and explain why that it's a technical difficulty.

2546
04:29:16,000 --> 04:29:19,000
I think some people are seeing alive and some people aren't.

2547
04:29:19,000 --> 04:29:22,000
So we think we are so we're going to carry on.

2548
04:29:23,000 --> 04:29:24,000
Where are we? Okay.

2549
04:29:24,000 --> 04:29:28,000
So we just gone to the clerk to call the vote.

2550
04:29:28,000 --> 04:29:33,000
And this is on 2324 integrity commission's report.

2551
04:29:33,000 --> 04:29:34,000
Yes.

2552
04:29:34,000 --> 04:29:35,000
Thank you.

2553
04:29:35,000 --> 04:29:38,000
And I think just to ensure that everything was recorded.

2554
04:29:39,000 --> 04:29:43,000
We're going to ask that counselor Delayo just repeat which he had stated.

2555
04:29:43,000 --> 04:29:44,000
And regards this correspondence.

2556
04:29:44,000 --> 04:29:51,000
And then I do believe that the CAO and WCAO have some new news that has come out of the

2557
04:29:51,000 --> 04:29:57,000
Amol conference, which obviously is post when the city of Toronto passed this motion.

2558
04:29:57,000 --> 04:29:58,000
Okay.

2559
04:29:58,000 --> 04:30:00,000
So then we're going to come to Delayo to read your.

2560
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:28,000
Your peace one more time please. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I feel we should support this motion arising from the city of Toronto to support family physicians regarding properly compensated family physicians with appropriate fee increases and reduced the administrative burden that the province places on family doctors, so they have more time to see their patients. Therefore, I would like to set a motion forward for a letter of support to be sent. Thank you.

2561
04:30:28,000 --> 04:30:34,000
All right. Thank you, Councillor. Now look to the Deputy CEO or CEO for the comments.

2562
04:30:34,000 --> 04:30:46,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor and through Mr. Mayor to Councillor Delale. Not all of the council have the opportunity to join the joint delegation that we attended with some of the others.

2563
04:30:46,000 --> 04:30:59,000
We had an opportunity to meet with health ministers, so we joins. And we had a good dialogue about family doctors, compensation, et cetera.

2564
04:30:59,000 --> 04:31:08,000
And what we learned was that actually doctors and Ontario are the best paid doctors in Canada right now.

2565
04:31:08,000 --> 04:31:19,000
And the other thing that the province is currently doing is they are trying to reduce the administrative burden and take pressure off of family doctors and all doctors period.

2566
04:31:19,000 --> 04:31:31,000
By doing things such as allowing pharmacists to treat things like pink eyes or throats and all that kind of stuff that would clog up doctors and emergency rooms.

2567
04:31:31,000 --> 04:31:47,000
All the further the Deputy as well. But my sense is that I think this is being heard loud and clear already at the provincial level and they are already taking action on it. I would encourage council to simply receive this for information.

2568
04:31:47,000 --> 04:31:50,000
I don't know if the same thing you wanted.

2569
04:31:50,000 --> 04:32:01,000
Thank you, Andrew. I don't have much more to add, but the conversation with the Minister for such that this, in my opinion, was being addressed and was engaged.

2570
04:32:01,000 --> 04:32:10,000
I know that this came to us quite a while ago, so the ministers had a considerable amount of time between the city of Toronto, chatting about this and our deputation.

2571
04:32:10,000 --> 04:32:16,000
So I think it's well under hand to think every comments were pretty clear that the best paid in Canada.

2572
04:32:16,000 --> 04:32:23,000
The look at other ways to relieve the burden free up time and encourage greater roster sizes.

2573
04:32:23,000 --> 04:32:30,000
The ministers fully engaged in trying to make sure that health care and patient care is second and not in Canada.

2574
04:32:30,000 --> 04:32:39,000
I would suggest a well under way to making changes at the city of Toronto would I think applaud at this point in time.

2575
04:32:39,000 --> 04:32:50,000
All right. Thank you. And then I was going to speak to this as well on the same lines we did with the CEO, Mayor Form of Us, of Southern Georgian Bay, which includes for information.

2576
04:32:50,000 --> 04:32:58,000
Usaga Beach, Clearview, Collingwood, Meeford, Blue Mountains and Gray Highlands.

2577
04:32:58,000 --> 04:33:09,000
The Mayor's and CEOs, we meet on a corgany basis and we did some joint delegations going being to the Minister of Health about a gaining support for Collingwood Hospital.

2578
04:33:09,000 --> 04:33:19,000
So on and so forth, but the Minister was very clear on this and she talked about roster sizes, some from 800, 900 up to 1500 and some are even higher.

2579
04:33:19,000 --> 04:33:31,000
She did mention as as staff was said about Ontario being the highest paid for doctors in the country. And so I would agree that this has probably been heard by the Minister.

2580
04:33:31,000 --> 04:33:41,000
They were her and her staff there were, well, versed in on top of this and we're looking to do many different things as staff have indicated.

2581
04:33:41,000 --> 04:33:47,000
So I wouldn't, I would agree if we received it for information.

2582
04:33:47,000 --> 04:33:55,000
We can always bring it back for support later if we wanted. I would guess, but I would concur with staff on that.

2583
04:33:55,000 --> 04:34:03,000
But I understand exactly the council are not having that information that we've just given you where you're coming from as well. So yeah, go ahead.

2584
04:34:04,000 --> 04:34:08,000
Her speech there, did she put it in writing? Did she give it to the city of Toronto?

2585
04:34:08,000 --> 04:34:13,000
Did she respond to their letter indicating that these changes are coming forward? Is it in writing?

2586
04:34:13,000 --> 04:34:21,000
She didn't give it to us in writing. I don't know what she's done outside of that, but I would take a letter word.

2587
04:34:21,000 --> 04:34:25,000
At this point I have no reason not to.

2588
04:34:25,000 --> 04:34:29,000
All right, any of the questions or comments?

2589
04:34:29,000 --> 04:34:32,000
Seeing none, all right, Madam Clerk, where do we go with this?

2590
04:34:34,000 --> 04:34:43,000
So as of right now, there's no seconder on the motion to send a letter of support. Now that we are updated with information that just happened in the last couple days.

2591
04:34:43,000 --> 04:34:47,000
We can just receive for information at this time.

2592
04:34:47,000 --> 04:34:58,000
And I am to assume that we will get more correspondence as the months go by here with regards to supporting, you know, family physicians and the honorable Jones and what she's doing to assist.

2593
04:34:59,000 --> 04:35:04,000
But an offer against the Councilor Delio. She has put this forward. Is there anyone who would want to second that for?

2594
04:35:04,000 --> 04:35:06,000
At this point.

2595
04:35:06,000 --> 04:35:08,000
The comment, okay, go ahead, Councilor Belonging.

2596
04:35:08,000 --> 04:35:17,000
Yes, I, again, this is new information, but if you were just in front of the minister as the municipality was taken beach.

2597
04:35:17,000 --> 04:35:22,000
And then we sent a letter, it would be as if you weren't paying attention.

2598
04:35:22,000 --> 04:35:32,000
You know, like you've, I, you know, I want Councilor Delio to be comfortable if she is willing to accept a per information.

2599
04:35:32,000 --> 04:35:40,000
But I, I do believe if we send a letter after three of our members of our team were sitting with the minister.

2600
04:35:40,000 --> 04:35:46,000
It would, it would look kind of silly.

2601
04:35:46,000 --> 04:35:53,000
Okay, so I'll, I'll go back to, do we have anyone here who will second this to give them the floor for Councilor Delio at this point?

2602
04:35:53,000 --> 04:35:54,000
No, I withdraw.

2603
04:35:54,000 --> 04:35:58,000
You withdraw? Okay, thank you, Councilor Delio. So we see for information.

2604
04:35:58,000 --> 04:36:01,000
All right, so then the,

2605
04:36:02,000 --> 04:36:11,000
We, we have the, well, Madam Kirk, why don't you tell us what we've got here?

2606
04:36:11,000 --> 04:36:13,000
Has I don't see anything on my paper?

2607
04:36:13,000 --> 04:36:17,000
Except for a turn to Nicole for the motion. So if you go ahead.

2608
04:36:17,000 --> 04:36:29,000
Thank you, Your Worship. At this time, simply we'll put forth that council receive the correspondence from the city of Toronto regarding supporting family physicians for information.

2609
04:36:29,000 --> 04:36:37,000
I can get a move on seconder, and we are within the item on the agenda that requires a recorded vote.

2610
04:36:37,000 --> 04:36:42,000
All right, thank you, Madam Kirk, and then by Councilor Delio, seconded by Deputy Mayor Snow.

2611
04:36:42,000 --> 04:36:45,000
All in favor of, sorry, Madam Kirk, recorded vote.

2612
04:36:45,000 --> 04:36:47,000
Councillor Bologna.

2613
04:36:47,000 --> 04:36:49,000
Councillor Delio.

2614
04:36:49,000 --> 04:36:52,000
In favor. Councillor Ego. In favor.

2615
04:36:52,000 --> 04:36:54,000
Deputy Mayor Snow. In favor.

2616
04:36:54,000 --> 04:37:06,000
Thank you, Madam Kirk. Now moving on to item number 14, recommendations arising from boards and committees.

2617
04:37:06,000 --> 04:37:09,000
We have no reports on that today.

2618
04:37:09,000 --> 04:37:16,000
And item number 15, Council requested staff reports as listed as attached any questions or comments on the staff reports.

2619
04:37:16,000 --> 04:37:20,000
All right, seeing none moving on to item number 16 notices of motion.

2620
04:37:20,000 --> 04:37:25,000
And our motions, we have none other than the one put forth earlier today.

2621
04:37:25,000 --> 04:37:32,000
And then item number 17 is closed session, which we have no closed session for today for this meeting.

2622
04:37:32,000 --> 04:37:42,000
Moving on to 18 bylaws, it is recommended that the bylaws, 2020-466-666-6768 and 69 be received.

2623
04:37:42,000 --> 04:37:46,000
It has been deemed to have read a first second and third time past and numbered.

2624
04:37:46,000 --> 04:37:48,000
Questions or comments?

2625
04:37:48,000 --> 04:37:50,000
Seeing none moving a second or for this, please.

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By Councilor White, seconded by Councilor Ego, all in favor.

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That motion carries unanimously, and this meeting is adjourned.