Yes.
>> All right. So, it's August 28th, 27th
7th. We we went through this earlier.
>> My god.
>> And it's Mark, Jeremy, and Austin uh
attending on the meeting. And
>> can I grab that? Can I grab yours or
grab that agenda? Yeah. Sorry. You want
to grab just an agenda?
>> Yeah, just an agenda. And I'll have one
for myself. Okay. Okay.
All right. So, first order of business,
we need to
approve our meeting minutes from last
time.
>> Uh, move to approve the minutes.
>> Thank you.
>> Do we need a second?
>> Yeah.
>> Second.
>> Thanks, Austin. And all in favor?
>> They are approved.
>> All right.
>> And on the new business tonight is you
gentlemen at 57 East Main Street.
>> And who is Akil?
>> Me.
>> How do you do? My name is Mark.
>> Nice to meet you.
>> And how do you do too?
>> I'm good. How are you?
>> Um, you have a exterior building
modifications and signage.
>> This is the former Liberty Tax building.
>> Oh, yes. I'm your backyard neighbor. I'm
president of the Nutmeg Conservatory.
» Uh, you have uh you have the the the
whatever was emailed to you, right,
Austin? So, you can see this stuff.
>> Wow.
>> Yes, I got everything. Thank you.
>> Okay. All right. Good. Okay.
you into the building too.
>> Or is that
>> Oh, so
the exterior is going to be
>> It just looks like
>> So So it's pretty much it's I mean it's
just like a a kind of a square building,
right? Yeah.
>> It's just going to be panels on the
wall,
>> then the signs on top of
>> Very handsome.
>> Yeah. So those are that's that's wood
paneling on the outside.
>> It's going to be plastic.
>> It's almost like PC.
>> Yeah. It's almost like vertical um
what do you call it? Siding.
>> Yeah.
[clears throat]
>> So, tell me a little bit about your
project. Obviously, it's a deli and
grocery.
>> Yeah, it's going to be that.
>> Oh, wow. Specialty groceries. Specialty
groceries. It's going to be like all the
groceries like juices,
sodas,
uh snacks and all that.
>> So, like a quick pickup.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> You have a You're going to have a deli
in there, too.
>> Deli. Yep.
>> That's the
>> juice bar, salad bar, and smoothies like
>> So, is it eat in as well? No.
>> Okay.
>> No, no tables at all.
>> Okay. So, it's So,
>> I just happened to see some tables,
that's why.
the rendering. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So, this would be a uh you know
classified as a retail use under under
our regulations then if it's not sit
down. So, it's not a restaurant.
Sometimes one or two tables are fine
without having to change that use. But
>> yeah.
» And what else can you tell us about it?
>> I mean, it's going to be different than
other ones. I don't know if there's
other ones here or not, but this is
going to be like a New York style one.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it's going to be different foods.
>> And when you say New York style, you
mean Manhattan.
>> Uh, we have one in the Bronze.
>> Okay.
That's still New York. Now, that
to me that makes sense. Okay. Now, I was
just wondering.
>> Um, I like that idea. So, great. So,
this is the lighting you're looking to
do though, like uh uh down lighting,
like just just fixtures on the small
fixtures on the building. But the logo
it might be from the inside. It's going
to be a light box just for
>> Okay. So you are gonna internally light
the light. Okay.
>> And those ones is going to be the lights
from the outside.
>> Okay. So you're not doing any other. So
nothing nothing else on site for
lighting except those just those uh wall packs essentially. Yeah. Okay. And
internally lit sign.
>> All right. What about the back of the
building?
Um,
>> I mean in a lighting sense there
security lighting. Is there
>> ambient lighting for because there's a
like a wall
>> behind it? Like there's a back there's
like a backyard. Yep.
>> So is there like
>> security lighting and
>> probably going to have like a small
>> because there's lighting in the parking
lot.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Because I know the parking lot.
>> Yeah. So you keep are you keep a
dumpster a dumpster on the lot?
>> I mean it's going to be the same one as
Sassos.
>> Oh, okay. So you're sharing you're
sharing one with them. Okay. Oh, that's
it. Solve that, right? You're sharing it
or is it going to be bigger?
>> No, he said we gonna I don't know if
he's going to make it bigger, but he
said we said he's going to be sharing. I
think I don't know if he's going to get
a bigger ones. I think maybe Matt.
>> Yeah, for Matt.
>> Yeah, because in the lease he said it's
going to be like including the
trash like yarding and everything on
them.
>> So, his dumpster's been there back
hidden back there for I mean you can you
is it noticeable to you?
>> Right.
>> Well, I know where it is.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But in the sense that if
it's going to have more of a food
>> I mean I never see it but you you
probably do.
>> But there's a part of it is that he has
a it's a food use
>> also. Yeah. Yeah.
>> And now there's going to be more. So I
just wondered if it was going to be a
>> a bigger one
>> a larger or different capacity.
>> Yeah.
>> Good question. I I
>> Do you want me to call Matt right now
and see
>> if you if you have him? I'm just curious
because of animals. Are they going to size up the dumpsters
or is it They've got plenty of room
>> cuz there has been a rodent problem back
there.
>> Has been a rodent problem everywhere.
>> Oh, what?
>> Been getting a lot of a lot of rat
complaints because of some demolition
and stuff that's gone on.
>> Well, yes, demolition uh on intentional
and unintentional depending on the lot.
>> No. Right.
>> Well, I'm just curious too because we
have a lot of young children.
>> Just curious. It does. It's
nothing more than just wondering.
>> Just for the record, he's he's calling
Matt Cypriano, the owner of the
building.
>> Hey, how are you, Matt?
>> Good. Ke, how you doing?
>> Good, good. I'm right now uh meeting
with the town and they're having a
question about the dumpster. They said,
is it going to be bigger? Are you
changing it to be bigger?
>> Yeah, we're going to we're going to
change the location so it's not directly
behind your spot and we're they're going
to be bigger and they're going to get
emptied three times a week. Ah, so
that's just going to be on the other
side of the lot like behind your
building. Is that is that going to be
more of the location? This is This is
Jeremy, city planner.
>> Hey, Jeremy. How are you?
>> Good. Good.
>> So, they're going to be in the back left
corner if you're at like the on the deck
of Sassos in the back.
>> Yeah,
>> they're going to be in the back left
corner basically on the other side of
where the Warner's transformer is.
>> Okay. Yeah. So, we're trying to just
keep the dumpsters uh one centralized
location uh easier for the pickups and I
just don't want to have I don't want to
have three four sets of dumpsters in
this back.
>> No, that makes sense. Is Is it going to
be like a It's Is it kind of like
against the retaining wall? Is that
>> Yeah. Like um you you see where the uh
see where it's all dug up back there?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's it's going to be back it's going to
be back there like where that black is.
So it'll be tucked way out of view of
the street, but yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah, it'll be I'm trying to keep that,
you know, if you get any critters or
anything like that, I don't want them
near any of the buildings or the
restaurant, you know.
>> Sure. Yeah. Okay. Great.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Excellent. Yep.
>> Perfect. Thank you. Y
>> good question. Good answer.
>> Yeah.
>> That's great. Okay.
>> Yep.
>> So, it might not be out of your view,
but it'll be out of the street view. No,
my my thought was more of capacity.
>> I mean, if you're on the if you're in
the uh upstairs in the in the Nutmeg,
you're you're going to be able to see
it.
>> No, I was just thinking of um animals.
Believe it or not, there's even bears
downtown.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> We've had bears in the back of the
parking lot and we actually somebody
sent me a video of a bear walking past
our building and the Warner theater.
>> Yeah. Going in going into the in on the
way to the cemetery in the back.
>> Uh I think that's where he eventually
went.
>> Yeah. So we have bears and of course
there's skunks, raccoons,
>> right? Yeah.
>> All of a sudden the wildlife is coming
out.
>> Yeah.
>> So I just wonder but that's great. I
mean to have more pickup too is is a
very good idea. That's really good.
>> Okay. Yeah. All right.
Uh so what's your color scheme?
Obviously it's brown.
>> Brown and gold and bronze.
>> Brown and black.
So yeah, this is so the
edge right here is going to be brown and
this is black.
>> Okay. And you have like gold letters and
you said those are going to be
backlight.
>> Yeah, these ones are going to be
backlight like this. Maybe like a light
here but here
only the logo is going to be with the
light box light box.
>> So these top lights are going to shine
down in these letters from above.
>> Yeah.
>> Is that going to illuminate them to your
satisfaction?
>> Because the light is coming down. It's
not in front of them.
I mean there you can see the letters now
because you pinched it.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean sometimes are these are these
going to be a little bit projected off
the building.
>> So
>> are they going to be right against the
building?
>> It's going to be he says it's going to
come in half an inch flat.
>> Yeah. So so I was going to say some
sometimes just doing LEDs behind it they backlight it so you see the you see
the outline of the just like around the
letter behind. So, so the the lights are
hidden, but it backlights the whole
sign.
>> Yep.
>> So, so you see the outline of the of the
sign.
>> The guy on the who's going to do it when
I called him, he said that they're
shiny. So, when the light is on top,
they're going to shine there.
>> Okay. And but the the other logo is
going to be going to be internally lit.
Yeah. Okay.
And it looks like there's lights
underneath the roof socket.
>> Yeah, that's there's lights under the
socket of the roof.
>> And if that's the case, as long as they
recess, they they'll meet the
>> eliminate the
>> the cut the cut off uh requirements
>> and you're using the same lights in the
parking area.
>> There's You don't have any freestanding
lights or anything like that. It's all
>> It's all just on the building. Well,
there's parking in front of the building
from the street,
>> but aren't there lights?
>> There's street lights. That's it.
>> Yeah. Or not. Yeah, the the the side the
city owned sidewalk lights.
>> Okay. So, there's no lights on the
property.
>> No, no, not not right now. There's no
poles.
>> Yeah, it's just the It's just the um
sidewalk lighting for the city
>> that the city installed.
>> That's sufficient lighting for you.
>> Um we're not sure yet. We're not sure.
we haven't seen at night like
[clears throat]
>> maybe like if we see it's not enough we
could just
>> so what are your what are your what are
your proposed what are you doing for
hours of operation
>> hours
>> probably 5
to 10 or 11 12
>> so so you're not it's so you're going to
be closed overnight like overnight okay
so in the winter you're going to have a
lot of darkness in the summer you're
going to be lighted
most of the time. [clears throat]
>> Yeah. [snorts]
» Is there um
a street number on the building the
address?
>> There's nothing but uh
>> there is only seven.
>> It's
>> and the other five is
>> one must have fallen off.
>> Yes.
>> Uh so we always Yeah. We always talk
about the identifying
>> and it's not only for fire, but it's
sometimes for the ambulance.
>> Okay.
>> The the fire department probably is more
aware of where buildings are.
>> Yeah.
>> But the ambulance in town um they're not
always they don't live in Torington.
>> So when they go to a location because we
call the my business we call the the
ambulance frequently. They appreciate an
address so they they can look up where
the building is.
>> Yeah. Um because sometimes buildings
have multiple doors in it or businesses
in the same building. So it's just a
good idea to have an identification in
case there's
>> um I mean somebody could have a heart
attack.
>> Yeah.
>> Or fall, you know, something like that.
>> So
>> we're thinking to add the number like 57
right here, but that's what what it is.
>> Oh, that's where it is now.
>> Yeah. I mean, if you guys want me to put
it somewhere else, I can. I mean, we
usually ask over the entrance or near
the entrance, but
>> is that a a transom or a light over the
doorway? Is that a window above the
door?
>> No,
>> the duria goes all the way up
>> to the top. So, we can't We could just
put it on top if you want. Like
>> I mean, they could always do it on the
glass, right?
>> On the glass. Yeah.
>> You said 57.
>> Yeah, 57.
>> So, say if you had
57 on the glass.
>> Okay. And then you could see it even
from the light from inside. You could
still see the
>> see the
>> the light from behind would show 57.
>> Yep.
>> Okay.
>> I mean that would be perfect. Big
enough, you know.
>> Yeah. Big enough.
>> Large and black
>> to match.
>> Yeah.
>> You could have larger because it's only
the two numbers.
>> Two numbers. Yeah.
>> That wouldn't be bad.
>> Yeah.
>> If that's okay.
>> Would you want you want it black or
white?
>> Well, I'm just thinking their theme is
black. There's light behind it.
>> Yeah. I'm just thinking about visibility
>> during the day.
>> Yeah. either in the day or at night with
black or or black with with a white
outline
>> or gold or
>> Yeah, gold seems to be their color.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I think it' be great.
>> Gold might actually look best.
>> Yeah,
>> I think I think black might kind of get
a little hidden.
>> Yeah, I hear that every time black.
>> Yeah,
>> gold would be Yeah,
>> pretty good.
>> And it'll match your theme.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> A plastic five and a plastic seven.
But um
>> I mean I uh what I what I'll know is I
sent it out for for review from a couple
of couple of folks and Mark McCarron did
not he just approved without commenting.
So he must not have had a lot of
concerns about about the theme here. So
>> well
>> he would have said so if he did
>> he would have he would have um given
that this was a gas station.
>> Yep.
>> You know
>> and then the tax office. I mean, even
going back further, it was a horse
stable.
>> Oh.
>> So, and it was part of what was a hotel
on the corner many, many, many years
ago. So, this building has often been um
like a service building
>> in its lifetime.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, that's great.
>> So, who we're talking about is the
director of the historical society. We
always refer the the you know the
especially in downtown the architectural
review um packages to him and uh you
know he often comments but he but he
just hit approve in our system without
commenting on this. What do
>> you think? It well you know it it blends
in. It's it's a handsome
>> renovation. [clears throat]
>> It's it's very attractive. Um, the
building next to you is uh trimmed in
black and brick, you know, so it it
looks nice as well. Um,
and the other comments were from Nate.
Um, you know, he just commented on
lighting. He said there are flood lights
on the building that'll need to be taken
off because they're not compliant. Yeah,
>> they they have to be full cut offs. So
the so the existing flood lights would
need to be removed. um signage. He'll,
you know, you'll you'll go through a
whole signage package with with us and
with and or with me uh for the for the
site plan approval and with with Nate.
You'll pull you'll pull the actual sign
permits when it's time to install all
the signs.
>> Yep.
>> Um and he'll go over all you know it
some sometimes it depends on what you
do, but sometimes all the if you put
stuff in the windows, they have to be
approved as signs and things like that.
But just depends. You'll you'll you can
chat with Nate with what you want to do.
>> Okay.
>> Uh for signage, um if you put any
lighted signage in the windows, it has
to be static. So if you put like an open
sign in the window, it can't flash or
blink.
>> Okay.
>> Uh
>> and nothing traveling.
>> Yeah. No scrolling scrolling signs.
>> Yep.
>> All right.
>> And then uh his his only other question
was any landscaping proposed because
it's kind of barren in the front for
landscaping. We're thinking to put like
some palm flowers, but
>> planter boxes, stuff like that. Yeah,
just to dress things up cuz you'd have
to tear up the asphalt to put anything
else in.
>> Yeah,
>> but um Yeah, it was just kind of parking
lot between there and the street.
>> Yeah. No, there's there's only black
top.
>> Yeah.
>> Between the sidewalk and your and the
store.
>> Yeah,
>> planters would be nice. Anything to
dress it up would be would be fantastic
because we're not, you know, we're not
going to make you rip up asphalt for if
you were if you were redoing the whole
site then we' we'd have you put some
grass in or something, but you're not
all you're doing is changing the use of
the building. So,
>> you know, and anything uh anything you
could do to dress the site up would be
great.
>> Deliveries coming through the front
door.
>> I mean, for product
>> or from from the back.
>> Oh, the Okay.
>> There's a back door. Well, I know
there's a back area, but there's a back
door.
>> I mean, I have It has a garage door in
the back.
>> Oh, for
>> Well, because it was a garage.
>> Yeah. So,
>> yeah,
>> right here there's a roller door which
goes to the back. We were We'll have
like all the inventory extras here.
>> And there's already room for a truck to
swing around the back side of the
building.
>> I think there is. Yeah.
>> All the way. All the way around.
>> I think it's enclosed. I think when you
look at it this way, the the opening is
on this side. I don't think this side is
opening. It's like a wall.
>> Yeah. So, you'd have the truck the truck
would have to back up
>> tight here. So, there can't be a car
going through. It can, but it'll be
tight. But, we usually just go around.
>> You're you're probably just getting, you
know, box truck deliveries or something
like that, too. Like, Yeah.
>> Yeah. Your typical like your Coca-Cola
truck drives through to refill.
>> Yeah.
Yep. There's there's space on this on
this property even even out in front of
the building for deliveries.
>> Oh, we even have trailers.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> Yep.
>> And then the um the flow of the traffic,
you enter over here and you go around
this way.
>> Yeah.
» Um
>> signage, address, lighting.
>> Yep.
>> Anything else?
>> I mean, look, we're not looking really
at landscaping and site design. you go
are you going to remark the parking on
the property
>> cuz it's all faded?
>> Yeah, probably.
>> Just so when you re just when you remark
it, I don't I don't remember seeing a a
compliant um park uh ADA parking space
there.
>> So, you got to make sure you just got to
make sure you do the handicap.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The handicap parking space.
You just have to make sure it's a van
accessible space. So, it's a little bit
wider.
>> Okay.
>> Uh it's it's 16 ft wide, 8 ft of
striping.
>> Okay.
>> And and the right signage.
>> Okay. Yeah. So, so beyond that, the park
the parking is kind of pre-existing. So,
we're not going to get too um picky
about the parking. It's the ADA space
cuz that kind of goes above our heads.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, the the like, you know, ADA
laws and things like that. So,
>> um so I mean, as long as that space is
installed properly, I think we're fine
installed and marked and all that. Yeah.
Um, other than that, the aesthetic part
we've I think we've covered.
>> No, I think
>> the transitions, the the the aesthetics.
Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> It looks nice at night.
>> Yeah,
>> I'm sure it'll look okay in the daytime.
>> Any other points of interest?
>> I don't think so. We're not There's no
other changes to the building besides
the the, you know, siding and lighting
and signage and all that stuff. So,
It's a nice idea. What made you come to
Toronto?
>> I mean, we live in Oid since 2017 or 16.
>> I grew up.
>> We come here a lot. We like We get a lot
of things here done. A lot.
>> I mean, I've we came to as soon as we
came here and we went to Gilbert High
School.
>> Yeah, we did. I did, too.
>> Yeah.
>> Really? Yeah.
>> Re recent grads or
>> recent grads?
>> What did you When did you graduate?
>> Me? Um 22 or 21.
>> 21. Yeah.
>> I I graduated in CO.
>> Oh. Oh, great.
>> So, it was like in the cars
>> class of 1993.
>> Oh my gosh. Yeah. Co ru so many things.
>> Yeah. That was like
>> Yeah.
>> We also had this same idea in Winston,
but we closed it.
>> Okay.
>> Oh, did you start one in Winston?
>> Yeah.
>> And it was like in a bad spot. Oh. So,
>> well, you got you got a good spot here.
You're going to get, you know, you're
going to get a good amount of foot
traffic, especially on show nights.
>> Honestly, this one, we've been looking
at this spot for like two years. Put
paper in there. Nobody answered. I've
been calling. I've been texting.
Nobody's answering.
>> Well, it's been in ownership flux.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> For some time.
>> Matt uh only bought it not that long
ago, I think.
>> Was it?
>> Less than a year ago. Yeah.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. We've watched that since it was
Liberty Tax and enclosed,
>> it's been empty.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh and the Roves,
they went just back and forth with what
to do with the properties, etc. Um and
there were just options of what to who
was going to buy what.
>> Yep.
>> So, um because we even looked at it, but
it was anything we could use because we
like I said, we're we're the nutmeg back
here.
>> Yeah. Our kids will be coming to you for food, I'm sure.
>> Yep. Do you deliver?
>> We're gonna have Door Dash and we're
gonna try to get Door Dash and
>> That's very popular.
>> Get it right now.
>> And and as much again, okay, New York
Deli, I get it.
>> What might be a specialty that you are
going to bring that's different than any
other deli?
So the I mean the deli is going to be
different because we have smoothies like
we make smoothies right next to it fresh
with fruits and everything even though
we have like protein shake uh protein
>> juice with it.
>> Sure. Yeah.
>> We have like different foods that I
never seen here.
>> Like you have the chopped cheese,
>> the steak and cheese, the New York
style, the you have the quesadilla.
>> Yeah.
>> And there's like a lot of them. Like
>> we're also going to have like salad bar
where you come pick wherever.
>> Oh, good. Thank you. I have a good tail
bar.
>> Nice.
>> That's what we have there. So, we want
to bring it here.
>> And you're in walking distance to city
hall, so you have to impress people
here, too.
>> Well, you walk through the park.
>> Yeah, exactly. That's usually what I do
is just cut straight through.
>> Exactly. Yeah, that's fine.
>> Yeah. Um
uh you got anything, Austin?
No, I like the sound way it sounds,
guys.
>> Yeah, good.
>> Austin, would you like to make a motion?
>> I'll make a motion.
>> Okay. To accept
>> to recommend to recommend uh or make
positive recommendations on the on the
project. Yeah,
>> I think that was a yes.
>> That was a yes. [laughter]
>> Well, I think
>> I will I will second.
>> Yes. With um we talked about the
address, the lighting. I think we hit
all the points that we needed to in that
motion.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. Very good.
>> Um and all in favor
>> I very nice.
>> I
>> Congratulations.
>> Thanks, guys. It's very sweet.
>> Um All right. So, I'll catch up with you
after we kind of do what we have to do
with all this.
>> And you know, I had the question about
when I came earlier about the the design
that we're changing the fridge.
>> So, what we're trying to do is just swap
this with that. Oh, yeah. Uh, so that's
This doesn't already exist, right? Oh,
sorry. Um, hold on. Let's do this. Um,
motion to close. I'll make a motion to
close.
>> Oh, yes. Sorry. All in favor? I I We're
journ Thanks, Austin.
>> Yep. Take care, guys. Yeah, you too.
Hang on one sec.