[0:05] All this together
[0:12] and they blew glass.
Oh wow.
[0:22] [clears throat]
[0:39] » Like a per
>> do
[0:41] » sort [laughter] of. Yeah.
And just certain areas you already got
[0:44] contractors identified that can bid in
that area to do the work.
[0:48] » Exactly. SER's a regional provider. So
they have crews and offices throughout
[0:55] Indiana and Midwest.
>> How long they've been around?
[0:59] » Oh, 25 years. They were formerly called
Maple Net.
[1:04] » It's out of Indiana. [laughter]
>> Oh wow.
[1:07] » Where they primarily started. They're
out of [laughter]
[1:11] » They're out of uh
[1:17] Elcart and Leaport where the two two
main offices
[1:34] » Ho
C WV our team
[1:40] » our team.
>> So do you have a presentation or you
[1:45] just what we're going to talk about it?
>> Yeah, it was pretty much just a um
[1:51] general conversation. Nothing to
present.
[1:53] » Okay.
>> So I'll bring that up, give an overview
[1:56] and then you want to expand
>> answer any questions.
[2:01] » Okay.
[2:08] Did you say
>> I spell your name again?
[2:16] » It's a funky name. So
>> there you go.
[2:19] » Were you on the call today?
>> I was. Yes.
[2:22] I didn't say
[2:36] » John
>> John and Jordan.
[2:39] » Yes.
>> Great to meet you.
[2:41] » Randy Dunny ally.
[2:51] So everybody
[3:15] [laughter]
[3:30] I took those
[3:36] » [laughter]
[3:41] » I'm going to call me
[3:50] [laughter]
[3:58] back.
[4:02] » [laughter]
[4:07] » down that road.
>> I might follow
[4:10] [laughter]
[4:25] down.
[4:52] We're getting close. [laughter] How
[5:01] are you?
[5:05] [laughter]
[5:19] » They can't be that stable. I crash in
that hurt.
[5:31] » [laughter]
[5:40] » pretty good.
>> I guess
[5:47] that's crazy. [laughter]
[5:58] very much more.
[6:18] I have 7:00. Um, could you please stand
and join me in the pledge of allegiance?
[6:25] » I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[6:30] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[6:37] justice for all.
>> If you would remain standing, if you
[6:40] would please remove your hats for a
moment of silence. We'd like to honor
[6:44] Matthew my young man who lost his life
last week in the floods. lives out at uh
[6:50] lived out at the golf course with his
parents. So, please join me in a moment
[6:54] of science.
[clears throat]
[7:06] » Thank you.
[7:11] [laughter]
>> First item on the agenda is to approve
[7:15] the minutes from the August 10th, 2020
August 10th, 26th meeting.
[7:21] » I make a motion to approve the uh
minutes.
[7:23] » I'll second.
>> Have a motion by Randy, seconded by Jeff
[7:27] to approve the minutes as presented. All
in favor say I.
[7:30] » I.
>> I. Motion carries.
[7:33] Next item is the approval of docket for
regular expenditures.
[7:36] » I'll make a motion.
>> I'll second.
[7:39] » Have a motion by Jeff, seconded by John
to approve the u docket for regular
[7:44] expenditures as presented. All in favor
say I.
[7:47] » I. I motion carries.
[7:52] Old business. Um just to mention to the
council that we have an appeal uh in the
[7:58] process um for the violation um on um
ordinance for uh having poultry within
[8:06] the city limits. that will be going to
the uh BCA uh in the next few weeks uh
[8:13] for the uh appeal for a variance.
Uh Wildcat restroom uh materials are in.
[8:20] I think maybe it'll be starting some
work maybe today this week. I saw the
[8:25] contractor down there this evening doing
some things. So hopefully we'll see that
[8:29] start to break ground. Uh talked with um
Superior Services today. uh the pickle
[8:36] ball court resurfaced, the weather hit
them just like it did everybody else
[8:40] because you have to have so many days of
dry weather and um they're hoping that
[8:45] they can start by the end of this week.
Uh it'll be a 4-day process. Uh so when
[8:50] they let us know, we'll post that the
courts will be closed for 4 days so that
[8:54] they can get those resurfaced.
Uh we've also um come to an agreement on
[9:00] the sale of 613 North Broadway. the
paperwork's been signed. Um the uh
[9:07] potential buyer is an ab budding land
owner and she is out of town until the
[9:12] 29th of August. And when she signs her
paperwork and presents us with the check
[9:17] for $3,500,
uh our attorney will record that it over
[9:22] to her. Um we also Jerry, did they drop
those three polls at
[9:28] » He dropped two of them.
>> Okay. We have two poles that are down at
[9:31] the um park on First Street. Um so we'll
be we have those in our possession now
[9:38] and hopefully we'll get those cameras
installed. [clears throat]
[9:41] And then the only other thing I have for
old business, the dumpster has been
[9:46] removed at the back of the AT&T
building. Um Jane and I were on our way
[9:51] to Muny a week or so ago and I went by
and it was still there. They had told us
[9:55] that they'd get it removed and I called
Best Waste Management and an hour and 10
[10:01] minutes later on the phone they agreed
that they would get it the following
[10:05] Tuesday. This was on a Thursday
and she said, "But if I can get that
[10:10] moved up to tomorrow, would that make
you happy?" And they did. They moved it
[10:14] up that Friday and they removed it. So,
it's been gone now over a week. So, u
[10:19] and I don't think it'll be going back. I
think they the neighbor there was just a
[10:24] dumping ground for people and there was
an old mattress there. Did we get the
[10:27] other stuff picked up? Uh we picked up
some of the stuff that was on the ground
[10:31] because the company only took their
dumpster, but we got rid of them.
[10:36] » Randy, any old business?
>> No.
[10:39] » Uh Spencer is stuck at work. He's
actually in Crawford'sville. Um talked
[10:44] to him a little bit ago and said that uh
he has to spend the night. his uh job's
[10:49] going to keep him there tonight. Uh so
we uh would have talked about the
[10:54] organizational sign uh the book box um
with Northwest Bank and those
[10:59] surveillance cameras, but those will
table to the next meeting.
[11:04] Jeff, uh community crossing grant. Yeah,
[clears throat] we're starting to
[11:08] collect um the different roads that we
need to look at for the community
[11:14] crossing grant. Uh again, that's a
September submission. So Jerry, I'd say
[11:19] if you if you have any think any roads
out there that you think need attention,
[11:23] let me know. Otherwise, we'll be driving
out and around or anybody.
[11:27] » Same with the police department.
>> Exactly. Yeah. If there's anything, you
[11:30] know, just let me know and we'll make
sure we get that on our list
[11:35] because we don't want to miss out on
that.
[11:38] » And the change on that this year,
Jeeoff, is there it's only one
[11:42] submission, right? We used to have twice
a year we could do that but state of
[11:45] Indiana has changed the submission to
once per year. So [clears throat] this
[11:49] submission will be for road painting in
27.
[11:53] » And is it a 70 what's 8020
>> 8020 match? We the state pays 80% we pay
[12:00] 20 of what uh of what the proposed uh
would be.
[12:08] » Anything else Jeff?
>> That's it. John,
[12:11] » uh, nothing.
>> Joyce,
[12:14] » nothing.
[clears throat]
[12:17] » Jerry,
>> uh, they have started moving the water
[12:21] line down there at, uh, the coffee shop.
They did get the the temporary, uh, line
[12:28] up and running and I checked at Dollar
Tree and they hand water, so they're
[12:35] good to go. They shut the line down now.
And we did remove our meter pit that we
[12:40] installed in March.
>> Okay.
[12:42] » So, good.
That's all I got.
[12:45] » Okay. Anything from the police
department?
[12:51] » New business. Um, we have Surf Internet
here tonight. They are an internet
[12:56] provider uh for fiber optic um internet
service. uh they are um approaching the
[13:04] town wanting uh to get permission to put
fiber optics uh throughout town and then
[13:11] uh if we would do that individual
patrons would have the opportunity to
[13:15] sign up if you wanted theirs or you
could keep who you have. We
[13:20] [clears throat] have two representatives
there. They uh provided us today um and
[13:25] this is up here for anybody would like
to see it with three different sections.
[13:29] it would include the entire town except
for the golf course uh because it's not
[13:34] a continuous line that they can do. And
um they um we our understanding is that
[13:42] their main hub would be at the corner of
Second and Washington Street, which is
[13:49] uh straight down from the school into
that second block. And there would be
[13:52] about a 5-ft box there, which is what
everything would work out of. And then
[13:58] as they go through town, they would use
the rideaways to put I think what you
[14:02] guys called handhelds.
>> Yeah, handholds.
[14:05] » Hand holds. I'm sorry.
>> No, that's close enough.
[14:07] » And they would look very much like a
manhole cover where they run the optics.
[14:12] Um they uh we had quite a discussion on
the phone last a little over an hour
[14:18] today. We still will be presenting
information if we decide to move forward
[14:22] with this to our attorney for uh the
legal um things that we would be
[14:29] concerned about restoration of property
uh a bond possibly if the work didn't
[14:34] get completed. Um and then u making sure
that if there are places where there is
[14:41] not a right away for where they need to
go that they would be in discussions
[14:46] with those property owners or they will
avoid that area and come back in a
[14:50] different way. So correct.
>> Um we have Jordan and John. Anything you
[14:55] want to add to this? Uh we're we still
um have lots of questions and that's why
[15:00] we want our attorney to look at it. Um,
but they're indicating it would just be
[15:05] another option for our patrons uh if you
chose that as your service provider. So,
[15:13] » you might talk a little bit about your
company or a little bit about you wanted
[15:17] to start with
>> the engineering side.
[15:20] » Nothing particular. I heard you
mentioned the golf course isn't included
[15:22] at this point. That doesn't mean it
can't be in the future. It just wasn't
[15:26] in our initial plans when we approached
the town, but if there's enough
[15:30] interest, it absolutely can be
completed. So,
[15:32] » okay.
>> Okay.
[15:34] » Yeah. I don't have anything.
>> I'll attach kind of on top of that when
[15:37] we come to a new market or new town,
too. We are somewhat conservative a
[15:41] little bit, too. So, it take us um quite
a bit more money to get out to the golf
[15:45] course. If we see that, you know, things
are going pretty well. If you're closer
[15:49] in town, that's that just kind of speeds
up that process a little bit, too. It's
[15:52] like, okay, you know, we're good
patients. So um we are actually based
[15:56] out of Elcart, Indiana. Uh we have been
in business with internet for over 27
[16:01] years but pretty heavily into fiber. Um
the last eight years or so, but
[16:08] previously before that we would provide
wireless internet. So sometimes you
[16:11] would see a satellite on like a grain
silo or a water tower and it would be to
[16:15] someone's house. Um that's years ago
before you know your likes of cable
[16:20] internet got popular um some years ago.
So that's kind of a little bit of older
[16:24] technology. We still have some customers
on wireless, but it's very little. So
[16:28] our primary business is uh fiber. We are
again located out of Elcart. Our
[16:33] customer care is in the port of Indiana.
So anytime a resident would have a need
[16:37] to call into our customer care or
technical support, [clears throat]
[16:39] you're going to speak to someone that
lives in Indiana. Um we have a couple
[16:43] people that are remote out of like
Tennessee or something. So they may get
[16:46] a little bit of a southern accent, but
they were kind of grandfathered in
[16:49] employees. Uh so we we are what we
consider a regional uh internet company.
[16:55] Michigan, Indiana, Illinois. Uh we have
almost 100,000 customers. We're not
[17:01] quite there yet. Real close. Um and we
provide service to over 300,000 homes
[17:06] and businesses among those three states.
Uh we happened to be doing some work uh
[17:11] in Muny in Yorktown and we're actually
have an office on Kilgore that we just
[17:16] opened up and started to kind of look
out and expand from there. So we're
[17:21] working with Red Key and a couple other
local uh communities and noticed that Al
[17:26] didn't have uh fiber. We are 100%
funding the project. So we're not going
[17:31] to ask um for any money from you guys.
And it's very important that we do good
[17:36] work and good restoration. We are pretty
much primarily underground and we will
[17:40] be going through, you know, residents
yards. It's technically the rideway, not
[17:45] their private property. We'd like to
stay right in the rideway. Uh, and there
[17:49] will be some disruptions, but it's
important for us to restore service
[17:53] because if we're not going to be good
stewards, we're probably not going to
[17:55] get too many people sign up and we uh
that that's not why we're here, right?
[18:00] Yeah, we are a for-profit business, but
ultimately um the upgrade to fiber
[18:05] internet provides a huge advantage to
the town. Um if you can think years ago
[18:10] when we we got past dialup, the next
transition was was DSL and you consider
[18:16] that like a four-lane highway. Well,
then your likes of Comcast Exfinity came
[18:20] in and made that highway into 25 lanes.
Really what fiber does is come in and
[18:26] now expand that highway to about a 100
lanes across. So, it's and the the um
[18:31] what I say the kind of future of it and
what can be done with fiber is kind of
[18:35] uh it's still not there. They don't know
the limit of it yet. We're only using a
[18:39] few strands in there with multiple
streams available for who knows what
[18:44] down the road. So, we'll provide um
I would I would assume 8 gigabit service
[18:50] up to 8 gigabit. That's not a very
common uh household speed. Yeah, but we
[18:54] we will it will be available. Uh, and
our plans start off at $30 a month. Kind
[19:00] of go into our plans. Everything's no
contract. Um, customers won't pay for
[19:05] installation. There's some businesses.
Sometimes it'll take a unique situation.
[19:09] There may be some installation costs,
but primarily no. Um, and our price is a
[19:14] regular price. It doesn't go up four
years or two years or one year or
[19:19] whatever. Um, it stays that price. And
we basically
[19:24] we just want to be easy to do business
with. Again, we want to get a good ROI
[19:27] on our on our bill. So,
>> we also talked today on the phone that
[19:32] the town will need some assurances that
if the work's not done or if there's
[19:37] litigation that should happen down the
way that we would be involved in that we
[19:40] would not have the expense of that. Um,
and that let's say for example, if a
[19:46] water line gets hit, [clears throat]
it would be your responsibility to pay
[19:50] to have that done. Our workers may do it
because they know where it is, but then
[19:53] you would get build for that. Those are
the things that we want to to tie up
[19:59] loose ends on. There may be some other
things. So, anything that you can
[20:03] provide us along those lines in writing
that we could present to our attorney
[20:07] would be helpful up front. Um, and I
think you were going to work on
[20:11] something.
>> We're working on it already.
[20:13] Yeah, we talked about that today, but I
just wanted our patrons to know that
[20:17] [laughter]
not only do we want it to be a good
[20:20] service, we want it to be one that the
town and the citizens of the town are
[20:24] protected. So, um, we appreciate that.
Any questions? U hang on. Not for the
[20:32] audience, for the council.
>> Okay. There's a place at the end for
[20:38] public company.
>> Um, how would it hook up? Like you'd run
[20:41] it in said rightway. So utility would be
like a water line, a gas line. Would you
[20:46] follow that in and then up into the
house?
[20:49] » Yeah. So down in the rideway, we do
contend Yeah. with water lines, sewer
[20:54] lines. So that's where it's um really
crucial that we do good work in the
[20:58] rightway to not run into anything
because we don't want to hit anything
[21:01] either and have to pay for something.
Accidents do happen. Um it does happen
[21:06] from time to time. If we sit down and
say we're not going to say anything,
[21:10] it's probably we not be telling the
truth. I mean, something's going to
[21:13] happen probably. But again, the town
being protected to know that we're here
[21:18] to uh fix it and stay behind our
business. [clears throat]
[21:21] » So, the fiber optics, would it plug into
your TV or
[21:24] » Yeah. So, good question. So, when we get
when we get done putting the
[21:27] infrastructure in, there's about there's
a handful about every two to three
[21:31] homes.
>> And let's say you want to go ahead and
[21:33] order service. So, what we do is then
come in, tap into that handhole. It
[21:37] could be in your neighbor's yard. It
could be in your yard. Um, it and then
[21:41] we run it to your up to your home and
come in traditionally just like a cable
[21:45] provider would. Then goes into a modem
um and wireless router, which we
[21:51] actually give those for free included
with the service. Uh, so that's again
[21:55] trying to make it easy to do business
with. Uh, and then that line will stay
[21:58] out in the lawn lawn for anywhere from
14 to 20 days or so. we'll come back and
[22:03] bury it. So, we don't bury it on the
spot. A lot of times that helps if there
[22:07] is a connection issues. We're not
ripping fiber back out. We usually will
[22:11] know within a couple weeks if
something's not right with that fiber
[22:14] line and we need to replace it or do
something. Um, but ultimately we know
[22:18] right away at the install, but every,
you know, every once in a while. Um, we
[22:23] do leave some slack so people can pick
it up to mow their lawn and, you know,
[22:26] dogs won't trip over or kids.
Um
[22:31] do you provide like television and and
packages like that?
[22:34] » We provide internet and home phone.
>> We can suggest uh television providers
[22:40] uh but not really affiliated with
>> mostly internet for like streaming.
[22:43] » Correct. Yeah. We we would uh we're big
we'd be big fans of like a YouTube or
[22:48] Direct TV stream, a Hulu, live TV,
things of that nature.
[22:53] » Okay,
>> Jeff or Okay. Well, once we receive
[22:58] those documents and we can get those to
our um we're not going to take action
[23:03] tonight because we still have those
unanswered questions, but um once we get
[23:08] those then we'll make a better informed
decision and uh we'll let you know when
[23:12] that's going to happen. So, we I think
we have their contact information
[23:18] » um so we can get back to you. But we
appreciate your coming and trying to
[23:22] answer questions for us. So, um
>> and don't hesitate to reach out. So, I'm
[23:26] gonna ask, do you plan to stay through
the rest of the meeting? If not, I'm
[23:29] gonna let him ask his question.
Otherwise, we wait till later in the
[23:33] meeting for the public to
>> stay. Yeah, I usually
[23:38] Okay. Thank you. Um, next two items. Um,
we have two new ordinances are in
[23:44] effect. Give the public a chance to
speak to those if they want to at the
[23:48] public, uh, portion of the meeting. But
ordinance um 26-5
[23:55] was the weeds nuisance ordinance and
basically those increase the fines for
[24:00] multiple offenses if we have to mow or
take care of somebody's property uh over
[24:05] and over and over um in the past and and
I had an attorney uh who owns a property
[24:11] here in town told me it's cheaper to let
us do it than for him to have to hire
[24:15] somebody. So he basically lets it go to
the point of where they're cighted and
[24:20] we mow it and it was a $100 fine. Well,
it's cheaper for him to have us do it
[24:26] than for them to mow it every week
because it usually takes a month before
[24:29] you get to that point. So, our new
ordinance calls for a $100 fine the
[24:35] first time, up to $300 the second time,
and up to $500 the third time because
[24:40] there was no penalty there that
basically we became their lawn care
[24:46] people. So, that's in effect. And um the
u those also include things like keeping
[24:52] livestock and other things in in town.
Those are considered nuisance and would
[24:57] fall under that weed nuisance ordinance.
The other one is um on the um use of
[25:04] scooters, ebikes and those kinds of
things on certain portions of sidewalks
[25:09] here in town and on certain streets and
we'll cover that. That was ordinance 20
[25:14] 6-6.
This is a modification [clears throat]
[25:17] of an ordinance that's been on the books
since 2005.
[25:21] This is not a new ordinance. It is an
expansion of an existing ordinance. The
[25:27] previous ordinance did not allow any um
uh bicycles uh anything other than foot
[25:33] traffic between Delaware Street and
Water Street and then some on side
[25:40] streets like Cedar and Maine. Um so this
is basically an ordinance that is only
[25:47] intended because of all the use of
electric scooters and ebikes that we're
[25:51] seeing on our sidewalks and the
complaints that we've been getting. So,
[25:54] those ordinance were put into effect and
we'll let people respond to those, but
[25:58] it's been here since 2005.
So, um we want to thank um Landon,
[26:06] excuse me, Fryberger. Uh his last day
was this past Friday. Uh he's been
[26:10] admitted to the doctoral program at Ball
State, so he is now full-time student
[26:15] again. So, uh we appreciate that. And
council will have to decide what we want
[26:20] to do with that position. Um, if you
have thoughts, uh, please come to me and
[26:26] we'll put this on the agenda for the ne
and Jerry and Rick can respond. But
[26:30] we'll, um, we'll put this on the agenda
for whether what action we want to take
[26:35] at our next meeting. So
>> Randy, [clears throat]
[26:40] » any new business?
>> No.
[26:43] » Spencer's not here. Jeff,
>> no.
[26:45] » John,
>> no.
[26:47] » Joyce, do we have a resolution?
>> Yeah. Um, I want to present to the
[26:52] council resolution 2026-7,
uh, resolution on writing off delinquent
[26:57] non-collectible utility accounts. This
would be for the property that, uh, the
[27:02] town acquired, 613 North Broadway. And
um the uh since it's it's ours and um
[27:13] that was part of the agreement that we
made with the owner uh when we acquired
[27:18] the property. Uh so the amount to be
written off would be 1,027
[27:24] um on water 1737 in sewage trash would
be 522 storm water 520 and um other
[27:33] charges which would have been like
mowing $40 total would be $3,848.77.
[27:43] this was the previous owner of that
property, not the person who's making
[27:48] the the purchase price. Um, they agreed
to deed that over to the county and then
[27:54] the county deed it to us. If we would um
[clears throat] wave our fees, that was
[27:59] this is the house that was burned out up
on North Broadway that we've been trying
[28:03] for like three years to uh to grab that
property so that we could have it
[28:08] demolished. It's been demolished and we
have the buyer. So, I would recommend
[28:12] that we uh uh sign off on the resolution
26-7 to write off that debt of $3,848.7.
[28:23] Any discussion?
>> I make a motion then. There's no
[28:27] discussion.
>> I'll second.
[28:29] » Can we do the whole thing tonight? Okay.
I have a tell me the motion and second
[28:34] again. I make a motion to um adopt
resolution 2026-7
[28:40] to write off debt from 613 North
Broadway. Okay.
[28:43] » Of $3,848.77.
[28:47] » And a second by Jeff. I have a motion by
Randy, second by Jeff to approve
[28:53] resolution 2026-7
uh writing off that debt in the amount
[28:57] of 384870.
All in favor say I.
[29:01] » Motion carries.
Anything else, Choice?
[29:06] » Uh, no. You can pass that down. Everyone
can sign that resolution.
[29:11] » Okay. Thank you.
[29:20] » While they're doing that, Jerry, any old
business?
[29:24] Be new business.
>> New business. I'm sorry. The
[29:27] » Just let you guys know, the mowing
contractor called me three times last
[29:31] week worried about mowing
And I told him the part was underwater
[29:36] still to hold off. Well, he said that
he's definitely coming this week to mow
[29:42] what he could mow. And I told him last
week, I said there's no sense. Three out
[29:47] of the the ones you mow are underwater
still and
[29:53] not to not to drive clear down here,
just to mow a couple of the parks and
[29:57] stuff for that. So,
>> okay. So, he said he'd definitely be
[30:01] down uh he called me, matter of fact,
over the weekend and said that he would
[30:06] definitely be down Wednesday and
>> good. Well, their communication, I
[30:12] think, has been great. I mean, they've
tried all year to make sure that we're
[30:15] aware of every little hitch that's come
along and uh the work's been excellent.
[30:21] So, I appreciate their contacting me.
>> He was concerned and
[30:26] he almost came down Friday and I tried
him not to. I said, "You're not going to
[30:32] the yards that you do mow and just hold
off."
[30:35] » Okay. One other item while Jerry has the
floor here. We uh had to repair the
[30:41] overhead doors over here at the uh
garage. We had a spring break. Uh I
[30:47] think it was just spring, wasn't it?
>> Cable broke first, which caused the
[30:51] spring to break. And
>> and Jerry Jerry called me on a Friday
[30:54] and the um company came on Saturday and
fixed it. So, but we had to do that so
[31:00] we could get in the into the barn. So,
just so you're aware if you see those
[31:05] claims. So, anything else, Jerry?
>> No.
[31:08] » Anything from the police? Corey,
anything? Okay. Uh, this would be the
[31:13] time uh if you are in the public, you'd
like to address the council, any
[31:17] concerns, issues you might have. We ask
tonight because we're having a little
[31:20] trouble with our live streaming that if
you're going to address the council that
[31:23] you come up to the corner of the table
here to speak to us so we can make sure
[31:28] [clears throat] that we get you on the
camera and we uh get you recorded.
[31:32] Sometimes back when you're this far, we
can't it doesn't pick you up. Well, so
[31:36] anyone
sir, state your name when you come and
[31:40] then tell us.
>> Can I bring up the box?
[31:43] » Sure.
[31:48] Hello, I am Dustin G.
I suffer from several mental health
[31:54] issues. Post-traumatic stress disorder,
borderline personality disorder,
[31:58] autistic, and ADHD. I cycle for mental
health reasons. This box of destruction
[32:04] is what it takes to ride at the speed
limit of State Street. I've went through
[32:09] two sets of cranks, two bottom brackets,
and a blown out headset. This year, I've
[32:13] almost pushed one of the pedals out of
the crank arms, the forged aluminum.
[32:18] [clears throat and cough] I understand
that we don't want the electric driven
[32:21] stuff on the sidewalks, but I read the
thing and the way it is written, it has
[32:25] banned kids from every sidewalk in this
town, on bikes, skateboards, and
[32:30] everything. And I'm worried that this is
setting the town up for a wrongful death
[32:34] lawsuit that will cost us taxpayers
millions.
[32:40] There's no safe lanes for bicycles
through downtown for us to ride. I did a
[32:45] small protest ride today on a Tik Tok
live stream. I was passed over 50 times
[32:50] illegally and almost hit over 10. We're
expecting children who do not know the
[32:56] laws of the street
to navigate this.
[33:02] I don't want to see a kid on an electric
bike doing 20 miles an hour and a door
[33:06] open and they get door.
>> Okay,
[33:10] » that's
but you are aware as I said earlier this
[33:14] law has been on the books since 2005. We
only included the ebike material. Let me
[33:20] finish
>> because of the complaints that we've
[33:23] been receiving from people who are
trying to walk out of a business
[33:26] downtown or on a sidewalk. Spencer, who
is not here, lives on the main street.
[33:32] He reported at our last meeting that
[clears throat] at least four times he
[33:35] has had to dodge somebody on an electric
bike. I asked uh police officer Holesma,
[33:42] Sergeant Hollesma today, how fast those
bikes go and you said they cannot go up
[33:47] to
any ones can go between 40 and 60
[33:52] » 40 and 60 miles an hour.
>> I don't believe they belong on the road
[33:55] the sidewalks either. Well, but we don't
have a way to prevent those unless we
[33:59] have an ordinance that prevents them.
You're you're saying you don't want a
[34:03] child who doesn't understand the laws.
Their parents understand the laws and
[34:06] their parents need to be responsible for
where their children are at and what
[34:10] they're doing. We're seeing kids all
over town, Dustin, who ignore stop
[34:14] signs. They ignore the traffic laws.
>> They're going down those sidewalks at
[34:20] 30, 40 miles an hour. I live on the main
street. I've witnessed it. I've seen
[34:24] them. One Sunday evening, I saw six kids
racing down the streets and it's unsafe.
[34:32] There is a there is no win in this for
the town. We are either going to make
[34:37] somebody mad who owns an ebike or a
scooter or we're going to have a
[34:41] pedestrian going into a barber shop or
into the hardware store or somewhere
[34:46] else coming out with packaging and
getting ran over. So, we made the
[34:51] decision that they are sidewalks by
definition meaning walk. And we know
[34:58] that that upsets some people, but our
feeling is that the safety of our
[35:02] citizens are just as much in jeopardy
when we have people who are recklessly
[35:07] using those sidewalks. So, all we're
doing is enforcing something that's been
[35:12] there since 2005. I asked you a little
bit ago when you were sitting here what
[35:17] year you graduated from high school. You
said 2012, you were a fifth grader when
[35:22] this order was first implemented. We're
just enforcing it.
[35:28] » I just think that we need to add a bike
lane or something so that there is a
[35:32] safe way for people to go up and down
through downtown
[35:37] » off the sidewalk.
>> We might not disagree with you on that,
[35:40] but that is not our highway. We do not
have the control over that highway. That
[35:44] is the state.
>> Can we move one side of the parking
[35:49] NDOT set those they set up all the
parking. They set up all of the U
[35:54] sidewalks. They they required that those
sidewalks be a certain width for uh
[35:59] people in uh wheelchairs, handicap
accessible. Um we have no control over
[36:05] those sidewalks or those streets
downtown except we can prevent the
[36:09] traffic on them.
>> Okay.
[36:12] » I just don't want to see a kid get hurt
and I understand and your guys' concern
[36:17] too. Yeah, we don't either. I mean that
that's as I said, there's not we we
[36:21] don't come out of this a winter either
way, but we're just trying to look at
[36:24] the general safety of it and we want
people who visit our downtown businesses
[36:29] to feel that they can walk in and out of
a business safely.
[36:33] So, but I do appreciate your comments
and if there if there ever if you know
[36:38] of a good way for us to have a different
solution, we'll we'll listen.
[36:43] I if there's a possibility of adding
some sort of bike lane, I understand we
[36:48] can't do it like just immediately, but
maybe getting in contact with the
[36:52] highway department addressing the
concern the fact that it could lead to a
[36:56] massive lawsuit for this town down the
road, which I don't want to see the
[37:00] water bills go up higher.
>> They wouldn't because of that's a
[37:04] separate fund, but I understand you're
saying you don't want to see anybody get
[37:08] sued. Yeah.
>> Okay. Anyone else, sir?
[37:16] My name is Jonathan. Um,
>> last name
[37:18] » Presman. Okay.
>> Like, so I want to understand more
[37:22] because you're saying I I completely
agree with ebikes and scooters, which
[37:29] some, yes, can go up to 40 miles an
hour. The other ones that go 20 to 30
[37:34] miles an hour. Either way, they don't
need to be on sidewalks. I agree on that
[37:38] part. But I just I just want to know if
you're going to try and
[37:44] you know I more direct towards the
police department on this one. Is a
[37:49] little kid riding that riding their
scooter like their normal scooter,
[37:52] normal bicycle,
you know, and is it just that street
[37:57] that you're going to be enforcing it or
is it multiple streets here in town?
[38:01] » I believe that it says on sidewalks
anywhere in town.
[38:04] » Okay, so here's here's what I'm going to
say here though. Last summer, my nephew
[38:11] was riding his bicycle in the street
because some something was blocking the
[38:16] sidewalk
and a cop stopped him. I don't I don't
[38:20] remember which cop, uh, but he made him
call his mom, took the phone from him,
[38:27] and explained to his mom how dangerous
it is for him to be riding his bicycle
[38:30] on the road.
This that right there contradicts what
[38:35] y'all are trying to do right now. I
understand the ebikes and e- scooters,
[38:38] but the bicycles,
if a cop is going to stop and
[38:42] [clears throat] say the whole thing of
it's, you know, lecture about how
[38:48] dangerous it is for you to ride your
bicycle or scooter or
[38:53] because I I'll be honest, I I skateboard
sometimes.
[38:56] » I understand. And you know, so I will
take my skateboard in the street, but
[39:00] that's because I understand what I can
do and I understand how what I do
[39:06] affects other things. And you can't
expect the fouryear-old who is or not
[39:12] four-year-old, a six-year-old I should
say, who is riding their up and down the
[39:18] like the sidewalk.
You can't expect them as they're riding
[39:22] down say say they are forced to go in
the street. can't expect them to
[39:27] constantly be thinking, "Okay, is that
stop sign there? Somebody going to blow
[39:31] through it and hit me?" Because I've
seen people blow through stop signs in
[39:34] this town multiple times, right?
>> And the Now, I will say some cops are
[39:40] good at doing it. They patrol, but
others, they just sit in one spot the
[39:45] whole day.
I I will say that. And it's even worse
[39:50] at night whenever it comes to
patrolling. Sometimes they just sit
[39:55] either gas station or the little
buildings that are over here down uh the
[40:00] main road. Uh you know where
is that 67 or 28? That's over here.
[40:06] » 67.
>> All right. You know those buildings that
[40:08] are over here on the 67?
>> I think I know which one.
[40:12] » Sitting there in the dark and all that.
I understand they're trying to catch the
[40:16] but [clears throat]
it's just
[40:19] the more that happens at night. Most of
the time it happens more at night.
[40:24] » Well, let me add I don't think they're
just there to catchers during those
[40:29] hours.
>> Oh yeah.
[40:30] » The businesses that we have open late at
night are along that corridor. So, they
[40:35] are closer to being able if they're
needed at one of those spots.
[40:38] » Yeah. And um I will say because I heard
y'all mention something earlier about
[40:44] security cameras being put up places. Uh
I didn't quite hear what places they are
[40:49] that
>> we're looking at. We are looking at the
[40:53] park on First Street
>> because we've had a tremendous amount of
[40:56] vandalism over the years and we're
looking at some cameras that would be
[41:01] out here in front and one in the new
Wildcat Park.
[41:05] » Yeah. You know, I I I will say
>> those are way overdue for it because I
[41:09] can't tell you the amount of
>> kids I've seen late at night doing
[41:15] things that they shouldn't be doing and
all that. And I will add on top of that,
[41:19] as somebody who used to bike and ride a
moped,
[41:23] back and forth from work, um
I am a pretty bigger guy. If a vehicle
[41:30] doesn't see me, they're not going to see
a kid,
[41:34] » you know.
>> Well,
[41:35] We
>> I I
[41:36] » I get that. Um I think to go back to
responding to your first Yeah.
[41:42] » part of your
concern,
[41:45] » our policemen always have discretionary
authority. If they see a fouryear-old or
[41:50] a 5-year-old riding a bike on the
sidewalk on the side street, I doubt
[41:54] that they're going to sight them. I
think they would first uh if if you've
[41:58] read the ordinance the first contact
uh first violation is they just want the
[42:03] parent to be aware the second one is
again contacting the parent and if it is
[42:09] situation where they feel like they have
to do it a third time then they will
[42:13] issue
concern so they it won't be something
[42:16] that's just [clears throat] happening
>> without some type of preparation
[42:20] » and I'm I'm I wasn't saying that it's
going to happen some type of you know
[42:24] system being because I've read it. I
went through it. I've read it. I just I
[42:28] wanted to try and understand more of
what's going to be more like because I
[42:34] understand a law has to be held. But
if there's anyone who's like under the
[42:41] age of like 10 and under and they're on
the sidewalk and they're not causing no
[42:45] harm. But I'm not saying on e- scooter
because I will say this, if a kid is on
[42:50] a e- scooter and they are under the age
of 13 that one that's breaking the rules
[42:57] that the manufacturer has done.
There are a lot of kids riding these
[43:01] electric scooters that are under 13.
>> And
[43:05] if
that is such an issue, then isn't there
[43:10] and I I could be wrong, but because I
used to I'm from different places.
[43:16] Isn't there laws stating that certain
things like that is
[43:21] not allowed for kids like for people
under a certain age? I'm I'm not going
[43:26] to try and cite the law to you because I
don't know, but I that would be
[43:29] something that I would have to yield to
our police officers or our payment
[43:33] attorney because I don't know those
offic I'm I'm not saying for you to site
[43:37] it right now because yeah,
>> like I said, I don't even know the exact
[43:41] law around here of that. Um I was just
like I said trying to understand the
[43:47] whole because like I said
>> I think anytime we create a new
[43:51] ordinance or we implement a new law
there is some growing pains that go
[43:56] along with that and if we find that we
need to come back and tweak something or
[44:00] change something we have the option of
doing that but this ordinance was drawn
[44:04] up by our attorney felt it was
consistent with Indiana law and again we
[44:11] want it to be a safe environment. for
everyone.
[44:13] » Oh yeah.
>> So they they are in effect uh currently
[44:18] and we'll monitor and we'll see what
kind it's no different than sometimes we
[44:21] change the speed limit in a certain area
um
[44:26] » from we we just did it here on the west
end of town. It used to be 55 all the
[44:31] way in. Now you see signs out there that
say speed limit ahead 35. That used to
[44:36] come 55 used to come on in farther. But
with the development out there we've
[44:40] lowered that. If we feel like there are
things here that we need to tweak, we
[44:45] certainly will take a look at that and
we will rely on our our police
[44:48] departments to tell us if something
needs to be tightened or no, this is too
[44:53] tight, we could loosen, but we can
always take a look at that.
[44:56] » You know, I I just because I'm I'm I'm
going to put this there.
[45:02] The kids around here, they sometimes are
in a lot like they're sometimes a lot to
[45:08] do deal with. I mean, they're a lot to
handle with some things and
[45:15] they cause a lot of disturbance on a lot
of things. And I'll be honest with you,
[45:19] yes, e- scooters and ebikes are one of
them.
[45:24] But normal bicycles like
uh skateboards,
[45:31] » rollerblades, inline skates. Okay,
rollerblades and inline skates, they can
[45:36] be done on the street if you know what
you're doing. Same with a skateboard.
[45:42] But if it's like a if it's one of these
roads over here that don't have a
[45:47] business
on it that has a lot of foot traffic in
[45:52] and out of it. I don't see a issue with
somebody using the sidewalk to do
[45:58] [clears throat] any of that.
>> Um I would like to read this because a
[46:03] lot of people that might be looking uh
watching this live stream I want them to
[46:08] know what we're talking about. Is that
okay?
[46:10] » Sure. Okay. So, um
we've said that the town believes that
[46:17] the use of certain modes of
transportation
[46:21] uh could pose a threat to the citizens
and visitors that use the sidewalks. So,
[46:26] we amended in its entirety to read as
follows.
[46:30] prohibited use of electric bicycles,
electric scooters, and similar modes of
[46:35] transportation
are prohibited on all public sidewalks
[46:39] in the town of Albany. Skateboards,
scooters, roller skates, inline skates,
[46:45] rollerblades, bicycles, and similar
modes of transportation are prohibited
[46:51] on all sidewalks on State Street in the
town of Albany.
[46:55] And then the uh offenses, first offense
would be verbal warning and parental
[47:00] verbal warning to anyone under 18.
Second offense, written warning and
[47:05] parental notification under for someone
under 18. Third offense and subsequent
[47:10] offenses offenses up to $50 plus court
costs. So
[47:14] » So the ebikes and and e scooters, those
things are on all sidewalks. Yes. The
[47:21] others are just on State Street. And I
was I was just trying to
[47:26] get the understanding of that right
there of which one is
[47:30] » going to be more for more restrictive
are
[47:33] » more restricted everywhere compared to
just down here,
[47:37] » right?
>> Because
[47:38] » and we have an awful lot of people now
walking State Street since they've all
[47:41] been improved and the sidewalks have
been improved. We have we have people
[47:45] that walk elderly people who walk to the
store because they don't have other
[47:49] modes of transportation. Um, we have
people walk to work to McDonald's and
[47:53] use those. So, we we're really just
concerned about um the high-speed bikes
[48:00] on,
>> you know, I'm I'm going to give another
[48:02] example of something of
>> this light right here. I'll give an
[48:06] example of this.
>> I was sitting I was on my moped whenever
[48:10] I had it. I was sitting where this
person could see me. I was in a I was in
[48:13] something that was bright and they went
over the line a little bit. They backed
[48:17] right up into me. Okay. Like what what's
keeping them from
[48:23] exam? Like like I said,
I I'm pretty big guy. If you can't see
[48:28] me, you're not gonna see a little kid.
you. And at that point, if you're if
[48:32] you're G if you're coming through here
and there's a little kid in the road on
[48:36] their bike or something like that, like
if it's a normal bike and they're as far
[48:41] over as they get without touching a
vehicle that's parked
[48:46] and you blow past them, at least slow
down a little.
[48:50] » And I I I will say like if they don't
slow down and get over because I don't
[48:54] know if that's a law here of stuff like
that. No, [clears throat] but to be very
[48:59] honest with you and just being upfront,
I would hope that we're not seeing
[49:03] little kids riding in the downtown area
on the streets. We have side streets on
[49:08] both sides. We have parallel streets on
both sides of State Street that they
[49:13] could make those same uh patterns and
keep them out of that hightra area or
[49:19] higher speed area. So, well, I thank you
for your comments and we appreciate the
[49:25] the uh concern and obviously as I said,
it's a work in progress for us. So,
[49:30] » thank y
>> anybody else?
[49:36] » All right. Well, we
>> after I did my ride protest and I was
[49:42] walking home because there were some
people in town that were rather upset
[49:45] that I was riding on the sides of the
road for an hour and a half straight
[49:48] going up and down State Street. I I
would differ with you. I watched you.
[49:52] You were riding down the middle of the
road.
[49:54] » I tried to get over for cars though when
I could.
[49:57] » Come up behind me.
>> No, you didn't.
[50:00] » You did not.
>> I apologize.
[50:05] » And I I witnessed that as well, Dustin.
Okay.
[50:08] » Well, on my walk home, I watched that
kid on this road on his scooter. A car
[50:13] honked at him and he almost wrecked
directly into them.
[50:18] Well, we wouldn't want them doing that
either, but um and those are things that
[50:22] if we can notify our police and let them
know that, but [clears throat] Okay,
[50:29] » can I just say something from a police
standpoint?
[50:31] » Can you stand up, please?
>> Yeah.
[50:32] » Thank you.
>> And we'll have you come up just like we
[50:35] do everybody else. Thank [laughter] you.
While I completely understand you guys'
[50:41] complaints and you and I talked earlier,
like he said, this is something that has
[50:45] been in place for a very long time.
Okay? They updated it. They didn't
[50:49] change it. They updated some new
technology to that same ordinance. Okay?
[50:56] While we don't want kids getting hurt,
it is the parents job to educate their
[51:01] children of what they're doing. And that
is something that we do lack is parental
[51:06] judgment and making sure that their kids
are doing what they're supposed to.
[51:09] Hence a lot of our juvenile issues that
we have here in town. So a lot of this
[51:13] issue is not the fact that the town has
made a new ordinance or updated the
[51:17] ordinance. Problem is the kids are doing
things they're not supposed to in an
[51:22] unsafe manner. So for the parents out
there that are watching this and
[51:26] everybody else, educate your kids on
what they need to be doing. Don't be mad
[51:31] at the police. Don't be mad at the town
board. Don't be mad at people who are
[51:34] trying to drive down the road. If you're
in the middle of the road, you're
[51:39] blocking traffic.
Guess what? You have to follow the same
[51:44] road rules and you can't impede traffic.
So, that's that's kind of where we stand
[51:48] from a law enforcement standpoint. Thank
you.
[51:52] » Okay. If there anybody else want to
address the council on any topic? Okay.
[51:58] Well, I think we uh are near
adjournment. I want to talk about
[52:02] upcoming meetings. We have mobile market
uh tomorrow uh down at the school from 4
[52:08] to 6. So again, if uh you know if
someone needs assistance, needs uh food
[52:13] assistance, that is a [clears throat]
great way to come and shop. Uh they
[52:17] typically can pick from 18 to 20
different items uh in lots of different
[52:22] categories. And um we appreciate um
Second Harvest Food Bank providing that
[52:28] for us and our 8 to 10 volunteers that
show up every month to help distribute
[52:32] that. Uh also the Heritage Day Festival
is September the 12th. Uh remember we
[52:38] have bands, food trucks, vendors. Um and
then we're going to have some um um
[52:44] [snorts] personal presentations. Uh Ryan
Gil between bands is going to do a
[52:50] presentation on Albany Glass. uh under
the we have a big white tent. He'll be
[52:54] doing that then. And uh Doug Cross is
going to do an Albany history uh
[52:59] presentation uh during one of the other
breaks between the bands. And we may
[53:04] have some other things coming on. There
are balloon houses uh for the younger
[53:09] kids from four to six. Um and uh we just
invite everybody to come down and have a
[53:14] good day and hopefully the all of these
pictures will be on display. Uh we take
[53:19] those down and put them around the
pickle ball courts. But for a lot of
[53:22] people who never come to our town
council meetings, [clears throat] the
[53:25] pictures go clear back to u I think like
1932.
[53:29] » Oh, 20s
>> in the twi right around that date. And
[53:33] we just uh uncovered two new classes
like the class and I can't tell you the
[53:39] exact year. Joyce has taken the pictures
over to um Hobby Lobby uh to be framed.
[53:46] Um my wife and I were going through an
old shed that belonged to her
[53:50] grandfather that uh we had demolished
and before we demolished it, we went
[53:54] through and found a tote and we found
this tote buried under some things that
[53:58] had two of the class pictures in it. So
that added So it's always good to check
[54:03] those things. Joyce was taking them and
and getting them fixed up, but they were
[54:08] the classes of like 32 and
>> a couple were in the 20s.
[54:12] » Yeah. So they were pretty old. Um but um
just by luck we we got them. So um and
[54:19] then u but those will be down there for
people to come and look at. And uh we
[54:24] are open uh we need some volunteers to
help with the balloon houses from 4 to
[54:29] 6. Uh we're open if you have ideas on
how we might grow our festival. Uh this
[54:34] will just be our second year and last
year was pretty much a wash out. So I
[54:39] feel like we're starting over again for
the first year. Uh we may have uh we do
[54:43] have a um uh potential and I haven't
talked to Chief Fritz. He's the one he
[54:47] and his wife are chairing the committee.
Uh we do have a uh refurbished wagon
[54:53] that we have been working on to get
wagon runs around and hit historical
[54:59] spots here in town. So and then a brief
presentation at those spots. So uh it's
[55:05] it's in the beginning stages. It's a
work in progress and uh if you would
[55:09] like to be involved in that let us know.
So nothing else I would entertain a
[55:13] motion for adjournment. I'll make a
motion to adjurnn. I'll
[55:16] » second. Have a motion by Randy, seconded
by John to adjurnn. All in favor? I.
[55:21] » We are journed.