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Good evening. Seeing the presence of a

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quorum, I am calling the uh August 31st,

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2026 special meeting work session of the

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town council to order at 6:30 p.m.

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Please be advised that this meeting is

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being held in person and that the remote

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access option for members of the public

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is provided as a courtesy only. In the

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event of technology issues with the

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remote connection, the meeting will

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continue in person as scheduled as long

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as there is a quorum of the council

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present in the town room or through

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technological means. Chapter 2 of the

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acts of 2025 extended through June 30,

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2027, the ability of public bodies to

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location, although a quorum is present

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in the town room. This meeting is being

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recorded and is accessible in real time

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via Zoom, by phone, and is a live

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broadcast on Ammerst Media Channel 9 and

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at ammerismedia.org. board. At this

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time, I will call upon each counselor by

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the name they have indicated that they

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would like to be addressed. This will

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indicate that we can hear you and you

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>> Councelor Kennel Martin,

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>> Andy Churchill,

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>> Anna Deongier,

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>> Mandy Johan is present. Councelor Lord,

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>> Councelor Ryan,

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>> And councelor Walker

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is not here yet. Um, if counselors have

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technical issues, please let the council

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clerk know or call a point of personal

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privilege. Uh, there will be one public

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comment period during this work session.

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public comment. If you are attending

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remotely, I will ask for you to raise

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work session tonight, which is a slight

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change from our typical meetings. Um,

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tonight the council meets in a work

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session to continue the town's work to

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review the current zoning on the

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Hampshire College campus. Following

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Hampshire College's announcement that it

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will cease academic operations as a

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college after December 2026, the town of

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Ammerst initiated a study to develop

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zoning options for future use of the

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Hampshire campus property. With the

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support of our state legislators,

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Senator Kmerford and Representative Dom,

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and especially the guidance of Governor

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Hilly's team and especially Lieutenant

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Governor Driscoll, Mass Development

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offered substantial technical assistance

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in the form of professional consultants

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to help the town through this process.

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partners with businesses, nonprofits,

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growth, create jobs, and develop

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housing. The purpose and goal of this

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council work session is for counselors

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priorities for the campus by

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brainstorming ideas for the Hampshire

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campus zoning project and identifying

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goals, concerns, and questions in order

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counselor's comments. This is a

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brainstorming session, not a

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speak for Hampshire College nor for its

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president or board of trustees. The

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college is the owner of the land and has

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the final say in its disposition. We are

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focused on zoning options. The

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consultants will be jointly facilitating

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the meeting with me. They will start

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formal votes. The consultants may choose

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council polls, if they're done, are

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the work session is to get information

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further discussion, please try to limit

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watched the July 21st public meeting

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materials provided in the packet. The

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goal is to address all three prompting

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one question while there are still

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make their comment. We also have our new

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information about the work on Hampshire

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campus zoning, presentations, past

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studies, and provides the opportunity to

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pose questions and sign up to receive

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notices and updates. I thank everyone

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and especially counselors in advance for

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your cooperation and help in ensuring

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that we are able to make the work most

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zonian study and move to Jeff Bag, our

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economic development. I I wanted to

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thank you very much for creating this

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opportunity to update the council and to hear from you at this stage of the

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zoning study. We are really thankful to

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Mass Development for providing the town

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with the technical assistance. They have

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period of time now and we're entering a

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phase two and so pending final approval

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inerson sessions and I wanted to just

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make a quick announcement on those.

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Eric Carl Museum. So, we'll have some

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council president mentioned a few things

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planning board on August 19th and they

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as a board were supportive of the

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proactive approach and identified the

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importance of creating a mixeduse

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village center advocated for higher

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density housing including workforce and

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starter housing and encourage outside of

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project involves zoning options for the

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property that could support future uses

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in line with the goals and the vision of

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the town. The town is not acquiring the

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land. It's not choosing what happens or

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ultimately who acquires the land. Those

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decisions will be made by the trustees.

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>> Thank you Jeff and thank you uh all

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evening. Um you go to the next slide

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plans and policies and then some

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different zoning considerations. We're

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starting to think about how we want to

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crack the code on like opening the the

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sort of once in a-lifetime opportunity

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a little research as well um and

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bringing some of our own uh experience

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situations singular large site

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redevelopment opportunities whether it

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engineer design firm. I'm the lead

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planner, principal planner at the firm

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and we do a lot of zoning work, a lot of

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technical uh work around planning for

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zoning and site development. So we bring

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that development perspective um and

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natural resource protection perspective

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to the process when we when we do this.

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Uh U3 advisors is not here tonight but

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they're along with us on the real estate

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side. So U3 will help us test different

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scenarios uh particularly in terms of

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fiscal impacts. So as we go through this

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process and we start to think about the

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scale and the mix of uses, we'll have U3

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with us to sort of reality check that

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and talk about, you know, how productive

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that would be, how attractive that would

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be from a financial real estate market

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perspective. And then to my left, uh,

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Peter Flinker of Dodson and Flinker.

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Peter and I have worked together for for

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quite a while now doing this type of

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work and where Worsley Whitten sort of

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brings that technical science

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development background. Uh Peter's group

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is just fantastic designers. Um and so

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they help us think about how sites will

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be laid out, how the the community

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neighborhood design aspect might occur.

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Um you know what works best for a site.

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They site design in a very

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contextsensitive manner. Um, so very

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sensitive again to the landscape, the

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natural resources, all of those things.

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So we really, you know, have worked well

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together over a couple of decades um in

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this type of thing, helping communities

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visualize development and eventually

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take that to zoning. Next slide, please.

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So our process, which uh Peter will go

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through in a little bit more uh depth,

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as I mentioned or as Jeff mentioned, we

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will have opportunities for engagement.

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Uh we are just getting started and Peter

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will talk about a more robust

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opportunity with the 20 the later

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September meetings. Um I mentioned the

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fiscal analyses that are going to occur.

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Worsley Whitt's looking at the

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infrastructure piece as well because we

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have the engineers on staff. We'll be

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thinking about water, wastewater,

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roadway capacity as we go through this

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and then we'll get to the

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recommendations process. Our goal is to

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have this zoning fully drafted a full

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package by January. Next slide, please.

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» Good evening, everyone. Nice to be here.

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Um, so we've laid out a process that'll

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go over the next four months, basically

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18 to 20 weeks. Um, and there's sort of

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a parallel tracks of there's sort of a

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public engagement and planning process.

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And then there's going to be the fiscal

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analysis process, which you see down

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toward the bottom of the slide. And then

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throughout this, we'll be testing

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various approaches to zoning to try to

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find the best fit between the zoning

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strategies and the sort of planning and

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design strategies for this site. So,

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it'll start with uh two public meetings

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September 22nd and 24th. The first of

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those we like to use as kind of a

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listening session uh sort of before you

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start putting pictures on the wall and

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having people react to just let people

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sort of talk about uh what they care

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about, what they're concerned about,

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what their hopes are for the future.

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We'll also be sharing everything that we

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know about the site and trying to start

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shaping the different scenarios that we

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want to test and that process of looking

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at the scenarios will start on the

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Thursday workshop. So you don't have to

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come to both workshops that week, but it

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would be great if people can commit to

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both of them. Uh then we'll be going

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back and trying to shape the first of a

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number of different scenarios, bringing

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those around to various focus groups.

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We're hoping to meet separately with

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neighborhood residents early in October

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and then that'll lead to another public

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meeting, third public meeting of this

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process early in November. And then

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we'll go back and iteratively be working

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on the plans and hopefully coming up

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with the final strategy for the zoning

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um later in December. And then at

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several points you can see in October

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and November there will be a fiscal

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analysis to look at the key scenarios

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and think about which one is the most

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beneficial to the town. Which one of

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those most likely to succeed in the

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marketplace? And then throughout, as I

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said, looking at what's the best fit for

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zoning because there's lots of different

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strategies. You've tried lots of

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different things in Ammerst before to

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promote the kind of development you

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want. So we'll be looking at what's

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worked in Ammerst and what's looked at

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other places and trying to find the best

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fit.

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Next slide.

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And so this of course is no news to this

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group. We have great context um in terms

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of how we proceed. So with the town

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council uh vote in June 1st clearly

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stating priorities associated with this

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site with the balance of housing, small

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business development and tax revenue

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generating uses alongside the

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acknowledgement of the sensitive habitat

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uh conditions that you have in many

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places, lots of streams, lots of

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wetlands, high groundwater table. Um,

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and when you're looking at housing

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development, really recognize that this

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is one of the things that's so amazing

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about this opportunity with a large site

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is the the variety that you have the

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opportunity to provide in a single

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setting. Um, it's really that just

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doesn't happen very often anymore in New

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England with how much constrained land

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that we have. So, um, and of course as

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we um are thinking this through, we are

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also thinking about services and

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facilities. what what are the recreation

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opportunities? How is the infrastructure

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going to be able to cope with um

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different development scenarios over

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time as buildout occurs? Next slide,

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please.

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Uh the current zoning is, you know, one

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of the reasons why this proactive

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approach is so important is that the

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current zoning particular on the core is

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really just tailored towards one thing.

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is really tailored towards the

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functioning of that campus as an

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educational uh institution and so um

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trying to do anything else at this point

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really isn't going to work. So the the

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do nothing scenario really isn't very

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practical uh for the community. So in

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that core area with that ED that

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educational district um that's something

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that um is really going to be important

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for us to look at where we'll focus a

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lot of energy in this process. But of

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course to the north you have some active

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agricultural land uh which is currently

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zoned for lowdensity housing with the

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farmland conservation district that

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promotes farming uses. So an important

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different environment to the north and

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we'll be thinking about those as we as

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we go through. Next slide please.

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So, as you know, uh, over the course of

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this summer, we've been pulling together

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all the available existing mapping to

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try to understand what's possible on the

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site in terms of future growth and

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development, what's important to protect

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in terms of conservation. And we're

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hoping that this will create a useful

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basis of information again for our

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public workshops and for people to react

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to. On this particular map, which is

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kind of a summary of different factors

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affecting development, the blue

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corridors are existing streams of

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various varieties, some of them

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perennial, some of them intermittent

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along with their protected buffers.

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There are wetlands as mapped by the

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state and their protected buffers.

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There's also um soils, hydraological or

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hydric soils rather, which are the ones

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which have been mapped in the past uh

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with high water table. None of this is

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been verified on the ground. So, as you

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know, any development process can't

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really move forward until you do the

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wetland surveys and so on. And we don't

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have the time or the budget to do

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detailed surveys. But we're going to be

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using the best information we can and

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trying to generally get a framework of

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how much of this land is possibly

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developable, what is most important to

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protect and so on. The next slide shows

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u key areas that have the fewest

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constraints and this again is a

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continuum. Some constraints are

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absolute. You can't develop a wetland.

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Some constraints are a matter of cost

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where it costs more to develop footings

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and poor soils and so on. But there

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appear to be about 200 acres or more

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that are relatively few of constraints.

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And this includes the existing core

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campus. So just by itself, 200 acres is

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a really large piece of land with lots

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of possibilities. So we're going to be

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starting with this understanding and

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moving forward with hopefully a lot of

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eyes including yours looking at these

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different maps and trying to figure out

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the best way to move forward.

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And so as you all received a memorandum

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from us as sort of prepping for this

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meeting, we talked about the other

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areas, you know, beyond the vote that

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you took in June, um that set context,

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the policy context for this with your

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2010 master plan that was readopted in

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2020, the 2021 comprehensive housing

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policy, which talks very concretely

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about some of the goals you have

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relative to housing and housing

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diversity, attainability, and Then most

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recently, a very helpful document for

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us, uh, hot off the presses is the 2025

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housing production plan, which not only

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gives us the policy and strategic

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framework, but the data that were used

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to develop that are the most recent data

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that we have access to. So, it's really

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fresh, really helpful for us um, going

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forward. Next slide, please.

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Uh as Peter mentioned, you know, some of

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the local challenges that we face uh

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from a develop developability

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perspective uh are those natural

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constraints, the wetland streams, the

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high groundwater and then also balancing

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the need for farmland that I discussed

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earlier and other conservation land

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limits um that are, you know, going to

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potentially remove developable area from

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the equation. Uh infrastructure is going

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to be important. We've had preliminary

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discussions with folks at town staff.

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There are no major red flags. Um but

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that doesn't mean the infrastructure is

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ready for um brand new mass scale

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development tomorrow. It's not like

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anything else. It will need to be

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improved over time. Uh but again, no

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major red flags in terms of looking down

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the 5 10 20 year horizon. Those are just

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improvements that g get made along the

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way. Um these all provide an opportunity

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to take creative approaches to resoning.

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Uh we really do have to think about you

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know where we can get creative. It was

548
00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:27,039
nice to be with the planning board and

549
00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:29,120
hear them encourage us to think in that

550
00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,440
way. And so there are a lot of examples.

551
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,400
U we've come we researched approximately

552
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,400
a dozen examples. I'll go through a few

553
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,000
of them right now just to give you a

554
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,280
flavor for it. So next slide please.

555
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,360
So, one that's uh very familiar to

556
00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,360
everybody, the Village Hill, uh

557
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,799
Northampton, about 126 acres, so in the

558
00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:50,720
ballpark, you know, you know, we're in

559
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,799
the triple digits here uh with a

560
00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:55,840
combination of commercial uh R&D, light

561
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,000
industrial, residential uses. So, an

562
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,960
example of a master planned community um

563
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,559
that's really meant to function as a

564
00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:04,240
cohesive unit in terms of its

565
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,320
circulation, in terms of the experience

566
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,840
on the ground for the people who visit

567
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,600
there. And this was done through a

568
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,480
combination of 40R and local development

569
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,720
controls. One of the big differences

570
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,919
here is that mass development is is

571
00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:20,080
really a big player here in managing

572
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,320
this. And so this is not something that

573
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,919
you're going to have when you're looking

574
00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:26,559
at uh the Hampshire campus. Uh you're

575
00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:28,320
not going to have a state level entity

576
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,559
in that management position. It'll be

577
00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,440
the town working with a private entity

578
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,320
um to to you know achieve the vision.

579
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,480
Next next slide please.

580
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,200
I'm in Plymouth. Um Plymouth has a

581
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,159
couple of um interesting zoning tools on

582
00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:46,240
the books and two really notable

583
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,240
communities. They have the Pine Hills,

584
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,520
about 3,000 acres, I believe. I'm not

585
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,280
100% sure on this, but Plymouth may be

586
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,880
the largest town east of the

587
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,360
Mississippi. So, they've got a town the

588
00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:00,559
size of Belmont is one development um

589
00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:03,200
with Plymouth. Anyway, another one is

590
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,360
this Redbrook. Um so this is a a bit

591
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:09,280
smaller um but it is another example of

592
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,720
you know an area that was developed

593
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,880
in close proximity to a lot of natural

594
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,280
resources. So that contextsensitive

595
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,919
approach was really important. Um they

596
00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:23,039
used some different tools uh here that

597
00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:26,000
are more complicated. Um they in terms

598
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,159
of transfer of development rights. So

599
00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:30,240
they're actually moving development from

600
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,880
one area of the community to another to

601
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,760
achieve a higher density. Um that is a

602
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,720
complex tool that doesn't have a lot of

603
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,960
uh case study success, but they're

604
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,840
making it work here uh in Plymouth. And

605
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,400
they did start out with a special permit

606
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,760
as their master plan approval, but they

607
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,480
develop smaller areas through an

608
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,559
expedited site plan review after that.

609
00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:57,280
the the master plan um is sort of a

610
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,679
bigger permit, higher scrutiny process,

611
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:01,280
but then once you start developing

612
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,760
underneath that, it moves very quickly.

613
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,960
Next slide, please. Uh Rethm Village

614
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,799
zoning district. So, this is I'm always

615
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:10,400
quick to say this is not the outlet

616
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,679
malls. Um this is uh down by the uh

617
00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:16,320
their historic uh village center, but

618
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,760
what was interesting is they had this

619
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,200
sort of 50 acre vacant industrial site

620
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,360
just off the back of their historic main

621
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,600
street. And so they decided to look at

622
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,159
this as a cohesive unit, divide it up

623
00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:30,799
again into some subd districts. One of

624
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,760
the interesting pieces here is that they

625
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,000
put a lot of emphasis on a

626
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,640
pre-application process. So they want

627
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,039
the applicant, the developer to come in

628
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:44,559
early um with some conceptual plans,

629
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,640
sort of get the the discussion going and

630
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,600
maybe provide some predictability.

631
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,320
Next slide, please.

632
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,400
Uh Great Barington. So, here's a campus

633
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,679
overlay district, Bard College. And this

634
00:23:57,679 --> 00:24:01,039
is a a bit of a smaller area uh than

635
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:03,440
what we're looking at here. But the I

636
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,120
guess what I'll say here, the the

637
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,360
interesting thing here or one of the

638
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,440
unique features is that they sort of

639
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,440
have a two-tiered. One of the questions

640
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,600
we'll keep asking is where do we have

641
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,159
byite site plan review special permit?

642
00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:17,600
How do those different permitting

643
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,000
mechanisms work? And what they did here

644
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,960
was they set a modest level of density

645
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,840
as the byite avenue and if you wanted to

646
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,600
do higher it would go to a higher

647
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,520
permitting process a higher scrutiny

648
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,400
process with the special permit. Next

649
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,400
slide please.

650
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,480
And so for us you know these kinds of

651
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,320
the questions that we're thinking about.

652
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,840
Are we going to use an overlay or are we

653
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,919
going to have a new base district? We

654
00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:43,760
really want to create predictability.

655
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,279
This is a big multi-year multi-million

656
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,919
dollar investment and the town has its

657
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:51,760
own aspirations that it's very clearly

658
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,840
laid out in all these policy documents

659
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,919
that we've discussed. So predictability

660
00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:57,360
on both ends of that is going to be

661
00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,159
really important. A master plan approval

662
00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:02,000
is probably going to be something that

663
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,360
we have to look at if somebody buys this

664
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,000
wholesale and wants to think about that

665
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,360
type of village style mixeduse cohesive

666
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,279
working neighborhood multiple

667
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:14,960
neighborhoods. That's something that

668
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,159
should be master planned in the

669
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:17,279
beginning. You have to have some really

670
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:19,440
good thought process going into that. So

671
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,799
how does that fit into the permitting

672
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:23,440
process? This will happen in phases

673
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,520
there. this this we could be looking at

674
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,240
5 10 15 20 year buildout to this site

675
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,960
right that's how this works over time so

676
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,880
how does the permit process account for

677
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,760
that changing conditions changing plans

678
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,080
changing new tenants new owners that has

679
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,799
to be baked into this as Peter said

680
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:42,880
you've have some of your own tools uh in

681
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,039
your toolbox so your plan unit

682
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:46,640
residential developments some of your

683
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,480
other village style developments we'll

684
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,720
be looking at those pieces to see you

685
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,480
know how that's met your priorities in

686
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,720
the past building reuse is something

687
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,320
that we have to think as well. There are

688
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,400
some buildings on site that somebody may

689
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,320
want to reuse. And the most important

690
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,760
thing for our zoning is not to get in

691
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,760
the way, right? We don't want if that's

692
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,279
a viable option, if one of these

693
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,360
buildings can be reused for something

694
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,120
that's a community asset or a

695
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,120
residential asset, we don't want to get

696
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,919
in the way of that. Um, the housing

697
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:15,840
diversity question, right? the types of

698
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,360
housing, making sure that we have enough

699
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,840
definitions, enough range, enough

700
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,720
flexibility, um, with design standards

701
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,159
to go with that to make sure you're

702
00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:29,600
getting a high quality product and that

703
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,679
there gets back to that predictability

704
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:34,320
thing. And as I mentioned, ownership can

705
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,720
change. A master developer will bring in

706
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,279
other developers to to develop small

707
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,279
pockets. And so, we just don't want

708
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,039
zoning to get in the way. We wanted to

709
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:44,799
be able to account for that type of

710
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,440
flexibility as you move along. All of

711
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,520
these questions get informed by some of

712
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,520
the work that Peter's going to be doing

713
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,440
with the public process. So maybe Peter

714
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,559
you could talk a little bit about the

715
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,120
visualization that

716
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,360
>> Yeah. So I think the the big message I

717
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:00,720
want to leave you with as I said earlier

718
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,240
is this is about testing different

719
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,320
scenarios, lots of them and not trying

720
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,039
to rule out anything too early. uh we

721
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:10,400
are going to be constrained by time

722
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,840
because we have to finish by the end of

723
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,919
the year. Uh but within that time we

724
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:16,159
want to be able to have a an open and

725
00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:17,600
objective look at all the different

726
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,720
ideas and to see how that might benefit

727
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,440
the town in different ways and benefit

728
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,240
uh you know remaining

729
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,039
needs of Hampshire College. Um the

730
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:30,880
unusual thing about this is it is it

731
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,400
does remain under the control of the

732
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,919
Hampshire College trustees and like a

733
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:37,440
lot of these projects that all of us

734
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,120
have worked on you might have a master

735
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:43,279
developer who knows what they want here.

736
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,120
You know there's you know the the

737
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,640
college is going to be acting as kind of

738
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,919
an agent to distribute the the land to

739
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:52,880
potential developers or potential

740
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,960
conservation agents over time. I mean,

741
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,640
we don't know what that's going to be in

742
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,120
terms of decisions. So, we really need

743
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,760
to come up with lots of different ideas

744
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,760
both for the town to review and for the

745
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,840
college to review and then to look at

746
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,320
each of those in terms of the the fiscal

747
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,640
dynamics and hopefully come to the again

748
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,559
the best fit with the zoning finally at

749
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:13,679
the end of the day.

750
00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:17,200
>> Right. Next slide, please. And so for

751
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,320
tonight, so uh we've got through that's a lot of information, I know, but

752
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,120
um important to reiterate as we go

753
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,480
through these meetings to sort of keep

754
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,360
everybody um firing on those synapses as

755
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:30,799
we go through this complicated

756
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:34,159
discussion. Tonight are we had sent some

757
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:35,919
framing questions along and I'll just

758
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:38,960
read these and then pass it back. Um we

759
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,120
wanted to hear from all of you. What are

760
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,039
your top three goals or priorities for

761
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,039
the future of the Hampshire College

762
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:47,440
campus? What are your greatest concerns

763
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,480
or questions about the campus's future?

764
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,799
And looking ahead 20 years, what

765
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,960
outcomes would lead you to consider the

766
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,600
reuse of this area as a success? You

767
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,600
able to look back and say, "Yeah, we did

768
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,440
it." And what outcomes would you regard

769
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,039
as signs that the town made the wrong

770
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,200
decisions? what would it look like 20

771
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,360
years from now if we didn't quite get it

772
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,600
right or if there were some instances of

773
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,360
where some some of the right decisions

774
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,919
weren't made. So I'll pass it back to

775
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:16,240
you and start our round robin.

776
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,240
>> Okay. [clears throat] So the way this is

777
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,279
going to work is we're going to deal

778
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,600
with each question separately. We're

779
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,039
going to take the first one and then

780
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,279
we're going to finish with that one and

781
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,679
any further discussion before we move on

782
00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:31,840
to the next one so that we're not

783
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,600
jumping around. The consultants aren't

784
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,760
trying to keep everything on track and and deal with all of the jumping

785
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,120
around. Um and so my thoughts are about

786
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,279
45 minutes for the first one, about 45

787
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:44,640
minutes for the second one, and since

788
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,600
the third one's a little bit less meaty,

789
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,520
um a little bit less time for that. But

790
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,799
we'll see how it goes. We'll see if

791
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:54,240
there's dead time or anything. We're

792
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,240
naturally wrapping up time. So, we're

793
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,000
starting with the first one and after we

794
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,520
do the round robin, I'm going to pass it

795
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,080
off to to the consultants to do any

796
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,679
follow-up questions they want with the

797
00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:05,440
first prompt and then and then we'll

798
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,799
come back and when we finish that, we'll

799
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:07,919
move to the second prompt. So, the first

800
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:10,480
prompt is top three goals or priorities

801
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,080
for the future of Hampshire College

802
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,559
campus. Again, this is roundroin. Please

803
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:17,520
name your top three hopefully in under a

804
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,159
minute. Um and we'll have time to then

805
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:22,960
expound on that later. Um we are

806
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,440
starting with oh and for ease of

807
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080
consultant calling when they start

808
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,000
facilitating themselves we're going to

809
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,919
refer to everyone as counselor with last

810
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:34,480
name even though that is not what some

811
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,559
people have asked for. Um but it's for

812
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,039
the ease of the consultants tonight. So

813
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:42,320
counselor Devon Gothier.

814
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,960
>> All right. Um is this thing is mine mic

815
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,080
working? Can people hear it? Maybe it

816
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,000
is. Okay. Usually I can hear myself

817
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,600
louder, so I'm not sure.

818
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,000
>> Yeah.

819
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,919
>> All right. Yell at me if you can't hear.

820
00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:57,039
Uh, top three goals. Workforce and

821
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,039
family housing. I know you can't control

822
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,240
this, but I personally would love to see

823
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,520
home ownership opportunities, not just rentals. Um, business and

824
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,799
agrica agricultural opportunities

825
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,880
and conservation and recreation. Those

826
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,480
are my three kind of things I'd like to

827
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,240
see. I'm going to cheat the question.

828
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,039
Sorry. Uh, how I would like to see that

829
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,320
done, I would love creative reuse and

830
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,320
creating parcels

831
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,080
instead of one soul.

832
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:35,430
>> Thank you, councelor Rooney.

833
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,159
» There we go. Um, one of my goals Thank

834
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:41,360
you. This is a good a good start. Um uh

835
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,960
one of my goals is that we utilize the

836
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,519
existing facilities as best possible.

837
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,519
Can you see me?

838
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,360
>> We cannot. Your video is not on or not

839
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,799
showing.

840
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:56,480
>> Oh, it keeps going off.

841
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:56,960
>> There you go.

842
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,720
>> There we go. There we go. um to utilize

843
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,080
uh existing buildings as best possible

844
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,640
uh to just you know just from a energy

845
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,640
conservation standpoint and all of that

846
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,039
but also so that um

847
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:14,720
we don't have to spend a lot of time or

848
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,240
nobody has to spend a lot of time

849
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,360
building new structures necessarily. Um,

850
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,279
a second,

851
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,039
um,

852
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,760
goal would be to

853
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,480
look for zoning that allows sort of a,

854
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,960
uh, rings of density. And I'm thinking

855
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,559
of places like Almira, Holland, uh, or

856
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:40,320
even some of the new town development in Virginia where you have denser cores

857
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,279
and then subsequent layers and and

858
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:46,399
levels of density farther from the core.

859
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:48,640
Um, and that would include uses of

860
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120
things like the PURDS

861
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,679
or the open space community development

862
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:59,840
and cluster development. So all of those tools and then I'll just

863
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,760
throw in we we definitely want a higher

864
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,240
tax base. That's not that goes without

865
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,679
saying. So my third actual goal then is

866
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:11,360
um uh an a master plan that organizes

867
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,799
the the parcels with open space

868
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,120
connections rather than utilizing

869
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,480
roadways as the organizing feature.

870
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,519
>> Thank you.

871
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:30,630
Councelor Churchill.

872
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,480
Um,

873
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,559
I would like to see a range of housing

874
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,519
types, um, with significant density to

875
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:39,679
really help with our housing deficit.

876
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:44,159
Um, I'd like to see, uh,

877
00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:48,799
taxable tax revenue for the town. And um

878
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:51,919
I've come to be curious about the

879
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,600
multisport center and whether there are

880
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,279
recreational opportunities that could be

881
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,519
taken advantage of by either the town or

882
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,640
the the neighboring retirement community

883
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,640
or whatever. There may be opportunities

884
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,080
there.

885
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,000
>> Thank you, Councelor Ko Martin.

886
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560
>> Um yeah, my definitely my top priority

887
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,800
would be housing. um in the creation of

888
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,200
housing um different kinds of housing um

889
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,200
different levels of density and

890
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,119
different uh price points so affordable

891
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,599
housing and some market rate housing um

892
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,280
and agree that there should be some home

893
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,639
ownership opportunities as well. Um I

894
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,639
think another priority would be as

895
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,639
others have mentioned to reuse the

896
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,320
existing buildings and make sure that

897
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,480
we're um taking advantage of what's

898
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,919
already there instead of just knocking

899
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:39,200
it down and building new. Um, and then

900
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,079
finally, um, I the conservation aspect.

901
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,399
I think that, um, I think already in

902
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:45,760
what I've been seeing in the materials

903
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,919
so far, it's clear that, um, we're going

904
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,440
to be maintaining, you know, the

905
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,280
wetlands and in, you know, some of the

906
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,280
existing conservation areas, but I I

907
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,560
certainly wouldn't want to see any of,

908
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,119
you know, farmland, for example, you

909
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,359
know, or things that are being used for

910
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:01,599
um, you know, conservation purposes be

911
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,119
turned into housing. So, I think it's

912
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,800
just creating that balance, right?

913
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,190
Thank you, Council Ryan.

914
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,079
» So, I will um take the prompt earlier of

915
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,400
20 years from now,

916
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,560
the very optimistic assumption that I'll

917
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,240
be here and wonder what um would this

918
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,920
look like and I would feel like somehow

919
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,640
we hadn't achieved what we'd hoped to

920
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,160
achieve. And some of what I'm going to

921
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,000
say is going to echo some of the things

922
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,480
I'm hearing from my colleagues. But 20

923
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,720
years from now, if I were looking at

924
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,200
Hampshire College and I didn't see a

925
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,240
substantial number of of starter homes

926
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,400
of places that give people a chance to

927
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,560
live in Ammeris, that right now simply

928
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,160
is not possible. That would be one thing

929
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,240
that would be disappointing to me. A

930
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,760
second would be uh perhaps similar, but

931
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,560
the kind of housing that would um allow

932
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,040
people who work here um who can't afford

933
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,000
to uh live here. Um, that would also be

934
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,440
something that I would like to see that

935
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,200
there would be what I call workforce

936
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,079
housing, starter homes. Um, and finally,

937
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:09,920
I think, um, addressing the town's

938
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,880
facility needs. Um, they're many and

939
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,800
complicated, but certainly in the area

940
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,480
of recreation, given ideas of reuse. Um,

941
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,480
it would be a shame if 20 years from

942
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,200
now, nothing of the existing facilities

943
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,839
were able to be reused. Um and it would

944
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:28,560
be a shame if there wasn't something

945
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,720
related perhaps to the needs of seniors,

946
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,880
the needs of youth, um the recreation

947
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,720
needs of the town and also the facility

948
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,440
needs of our departments if something on

949
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,200
that campus was not and hopefully more

950
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,599
than one something were was not

951
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,079
addressing those needs.

952
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:47,200
>> Thank you, Councelor Lord.

953
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,119
>> Thank you. Can you hear me? All right.

954
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:49,920
>> Yes.

955
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,760
>> Awesome. Um, number one would be housing

956
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,960
justice. Use Ammeris, I mean Hampshire

957
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,480
to create a mixed income,

958
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,800
multigenerational community where

959
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,960
working people and families can afford

960
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,839
to live and build community in Ammerst.

961
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:10,000
Two is um community wealth and wellness.

962
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,240
So part of the campus could be used to

963
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,480
create jobs, locally owned businesses,

964
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,200
cultural space, um our BIPO, our youth

965
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,880
center, education, mental health,

966
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,520
wellness. Yay, everything. Let's go. And

967
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,839
then a third goal would be the land

968
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:28,720
steward for ship for to preserve the the

969
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,960
habitat, the forest, the farmlands, the

970
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,240
protected space for future generations.

971
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:35,280
Thank you.

972
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,480
>> Thank you, councelor Greimer.

973
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,000
>> Thank you. Um, I agree with the multiple

974
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,760
kinds of housing, but I would like to

975
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,040
see a specific focus on homes that

976
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,200
seniors could move into to get out of

977
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,599
their existing homes. And I would also

978
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,599
like to see an addition that would

979
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,000
complement the Applewood community with

980
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,280
other multiple level levels of care so

981
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,240
that people could retire to that part of

982
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,520
town and stay there until they passed.

983
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,119
Um, I'd like to see um the pres

984
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,680
preservation of the open space and

985
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,359
conservation.

986
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:16,160
Any others? Taxes.

987
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,079
>> Thank you, Councelor Walker.

988
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,520
>> Um, thank you. Uh, my first priority is

989
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,440
housing like many other counselors have

990
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,760
said. Um, specifically family housing

991
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,760
and affordable housing. I think a

992
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,000
mixture of rental and home ownership

993
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,280
opportunities and starter homes. Um I'm

994
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,200
also interested my second priority would

995
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,040
be the retention of the recreational

996
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,320
spaces um or facilities the courts the

997
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,560
pools the daycare center uh

998
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,480
multicultural center youth empowerment

999
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,560
center um and my third priority is the

1000
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,160
maintaining of the conservation and

1001
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,839
farmland and hoping and wondering if

1002
00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:57,760
whatever development does end up

1003
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,359
happening at Hampshire can sort of

1004
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:02,320
incorporate those spaces in some kind of

1005
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,880
educational way for a different way that

1006
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,520
can be accessible to the public.

1007
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,640
>> Thank you, Councelor Brevik.

1008
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,240
>> Yeah, I just wanted to say quickly, I

1009
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,400
appreciate the community outreach pro

1010
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,520
process that is underway and and

1011
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,599
I think that it will be important for

1012
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,680
all of us to hear what comes out of that

1013
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,400
too. So, just to note that I think that

1014
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,760
aside, we all sound very aligned in uh

1015
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,560
and going toward the end here um in our

1016
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,040
priorities that we laid out in the

1017
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,240
statement we we uh voted on in June. So,

1018
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,119
I will just add into the mix um to

1019
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:42,320
emphasize the importance of diverse

1020
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,240
housing. In one of the earlier

1021
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,040
presentations, uh, our consultants here,

1022
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,520
uh, referenced that students, seniors,

1023
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,760
and working-class families are all shown

1024
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,079
to be driving demand in our area. And

1025
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,880
so, housing that meets the demand from

1026
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,960
all of those groups, a balance of much

1027
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,839
needed density uh, with starter homes,

1028
00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:03,839
as others have said. I would also love

1029
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:05,839
to see opportunities for partnerships

1030
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:08,079
with nonprofits or programs that lift

1031
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,240
families up economically, too. We saw

1032
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:11,839
that with Ammeris Community Homes and I

1033
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:13,599
know there are other great examples in

1034
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,680
the area where there can be services and

1035
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,520
programs layered onto housing

1036
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,079
development. Um I'll add also so I would

1037
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:23,599
also like to see economic and small

1038
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,920
business development. Uh we lost a big

1039
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,880
draw to the area and I think replacing

1040
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,359
that is important and having um

1041
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:33,920
businesses or arts and culture other

1042
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,520
things that are bringing people into the

1043
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,200
area. Um and then absolutely don't want

1044
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,760
to lose sight of uh the preservation of

1045
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,560
ecosystems and the the open space as

1046
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,200
this is critical for all of us to remain

1047
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,040
healthy and thriving in this area.

1048
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:49,760
Thanks.

1049
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,000
>> Thank you, Councelor Tub.

1050
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,760
>> Uh thank you. Of course, I agree with

1051
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,520
everything that's been said. I could

1052
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,079
literally just say especially ditto with

1053
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,680
what councelor Walker um said. So I uh

1054
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,960
my first priority would be housing to

1055
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,760
serve, you know, all the constituents in

1056
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,520
our community that need housing,

1057
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,800
especially workforce and family housing.

1058
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,240
Um both um starter homes, home ownership

1059
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:19,760
opportunities,

1060
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,680
uh rental opportunities at a level that

1061
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,440
um families and members of our workforce

1062
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,640
and seniors can afford. Um uh

1063
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,880
multi-generational housing. I would love

1064
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,400
to see, you know, um a community

1065
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,920
integrate, you know, a multif family

1066
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,240
community so that it's all integrated

1067
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,960
together, but that as c uh councelor

1068
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Grymer said, um, you know, serve seniors

1069
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,359
because that would also if seniors could

1070
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:50,960
move to, um, you know, a kind of village

1071
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,599
that would might be built at Hampshire,

1072
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,400
that would also free up housing for uh,

1073
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,040
younger the next generation. Um,

1074
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,599
recreation and conservation would be the

1075
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,520
second. Um, Hampshire's recreational

1076
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,480
facilities really what provided a hub

1077
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,680
for residents all over Amherst went

1078
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,160
there for swimming, for pickle ball, for

1079
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,640
tennis and people came from outside the

1080
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,640
community and I would love to see it

1081
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,599
continue to be a center for recreation

1082
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:24,720
and conservation and small businesses.

1083
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,119
So as much as it could if and it would

1084
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,160
take it would happen over time but if it

1085
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,520
could be have a village feel with

1086
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,400
housing, recreation, small businesses so

1087
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,800
that residents who live there didn't

1088
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,040
have to travel far for those amenities

1089
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,680
and it would also bring residents from

1090
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,280
surrounding towns and other

1091
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,760
neighborhoods in Ammerst. Thanks.

1092
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,640
>> Thank you. I'm next on the list. Um,

1093
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,640
it'll sound very familiar, but housing

1094
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,280
of all types, but at attainable prices,

1095
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,760
but I would like a focus particularly on

1096
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,640
town homes and twins or

1097
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,240
duplexes, if you call them that. I grew

1098
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,480
up in a twin that can be owned without

1099
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,119
needing condos. So I think that requires

1100
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,200
um zero lot line developments and stuff

1101
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,280
like that um to be able to do that way

1102
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,200
um so that you can create that

1103
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,440
attainable workforce housing that could

1104
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,240
be more than just rental village center

1105
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,359
amenities within the area but also

1106
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:25,359
walkable to the area. So I don't want a

1107
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:29,280
housing silo like suburbs tend to be. Um

1108
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,400
create a density to support that too. Um

1109
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,200
and then revenue generation. Councelor

1110
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,520
McCloud.

1111
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,920
>> Uh thank you Mandy. Thank you to the

1112
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,520
presenters. Uh saw your presentation the

1113
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,839
previous month. Uh it was very

1114
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:47,920
informative. The charts that you've

1115
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,440
generated are extremely useful uh for

1116
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,040
I'm sure everyone who's looking at this

1117
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,750
now and in the future. uh

1118
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:57,280
[clears throat] my comments in terms of

1119
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,240
goals really need to be taken under the

1120
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,040
understanding that we don't completely

1121
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,400
control the fate of what's going to

1122
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:10,160
happen. Uh so I I would say zoning to

1123
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,400
uh increase tax revenue and uh influence

1124
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,480
positively the financial situation of

1125
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,760
the town meaning tax revenue from

1126
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,000
varying options that are there but also

1127
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,839
to recognize uh infrastructure expenses

1128
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:27,920
uh whether the town has them or they may

1129
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,720
go to the developers. I'd like to

1130
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,319
minimize it on the town and also

1131
00:44:32,319 --> 00:44:35,119
recognizing the value of the uh existing

1132
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,319
buildings uh if they financially would

1133
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:42,560
benefit the town meaning build versus

1134
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,560
have something that already exists. So I

1135
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,400
wrap that all together uh with the

1136
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,280
underlying on tax revenue. Uh I would

1137
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,359
say [clears throat] mixed housing for a

1138
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:54,240
variety of uh uses including uh senior

1139
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:55,920
housing and workforce housing and

1140
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,480
affordable housing. uh preservation of

1141
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,160
sensitive areas. Um

1142
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,000
three is too few and I'd say we need to

1143
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,400
listen to the community members as well

1144
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,720
uh because we're 13. This is new to a

1145
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,960
lot of folks and I'm sure there's more

1146
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,920
than three goals that uh we all agree

1147
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,280
with. But thank you for what you're

1148
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,720
doing and thank you Mandy for holding

1149
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:17,680
this session.

1150
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,880
>> Thank you councelor Shane.

1151
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,119
A little unfair to come last because

1152
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,440
people have covered almost everything.

1153
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,720
So I I'll I'll try to group them a uh

1154
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,319
similarly but a little bit differently

1155
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:33,280
on the mix of housing. Um Lynn mentioned

1156
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,599
that we have an Applewood people have to

1157
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,079
move out of Applewood at at any time

1158
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:39,920
they can't independently take care of

1159
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,240
themselves. They have to leave Ammerst.

1160
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,160
And I've watched people in tears where

1161
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,880
one half of the couple was fine and the

1162
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,280
other wasn't. So, trying to think of and

1163
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,119
I'm not sure how you do this with

1164
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,359
zoning, but life care communities which

1165
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:57,520
allow you to move up. Um, and it's an

1166
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,200
ideal setting because it's so flat and

1167
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,440
you've already got things like a pool

1168
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,839
and other kinds of recreation. So, we

1169
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:08,640
could be a mecca for healthy seniors who

1170
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,359
also can be aging. So trying to think of

1171
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:13,599
when you do the mix that there's a

1172
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,520
larger piece of land because you need a

1173
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,520
bigger group to be able to have that.

1174
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,440
We've got one down in Lumis if you go

1175
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,400
down to South Aly. Uh secondly, and

1176
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,800
everyone has mentioned this, but we have

1177
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,920
a unique set of community resources that

1178
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,839
are used by the community that can be

1179
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:33,280
used by the next community. The pool,

1180
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,800
the the main um campus center, the

1181
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,960
indoor tennis courts, the outdoor tennis

1182
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,920
courts. This is so

1183
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,760
uh unique for already there. If you

1184
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,160
think of clusters of housing and what

1185
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,880
Pam originally said of housing

1186
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,400
clustered, so they have some green

1187
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,160
space. So you're walking across green

1188
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,640
space. The roadways already connect you

1189
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,800
everywhere you want to go. So trying to

1190
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,839
take advantage of what is there to think

1191
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:04,079
through it. And then last, you already

1192
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,480
had it in that top piece, but flexible

1193
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,720
ownership that some of this could be

1194
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,200
rent. A lot of it could be rent, but

1195
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,119
condos, town houses, purd where uh the

1196
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,920
little plots of land are co-owned and

1197
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,520
maintained. So, how you u it's not clear

1198
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,359
to me how you do that when you're doing

1199
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:26,160
the 40 or the others, you know, uh make

1200
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,640
sure it's allowed, but also think of it.

1201
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,319
And then the last point I want to make

1202
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:33,280
because we the preservation of scarce

1203
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,920
resources or

1204
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,400
uh there's huge amount of acreage that

1205
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,720
we're not talking about and that's all

1206
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,960
around it. I wouldn't try to take this

1207
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,760
200 and do more with that but really

1208
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,760
think of where all surrounding with all

1209
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,520
the rivers you talked about their trail

1210
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,240
systems. She can walk endlessly

1211
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,920
to behind and out of Hampshire where

1212
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,839
your feet get really wet but there are

1213
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:59,599
trails and you know it's it's all

1214
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,920
walkable. Um and trying to say that is

1215
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,160
there so we don't have to recreate that.

1216
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,720
So let's take the developable parts and

1217
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,880
make the best use of them.

1218
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,400
>> Thank you. I'm going to pass it off to

1219
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,000
the consultants now. We have finished

1220
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,160
all 13 counselors on the round robin.

1221
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,240
So, it's uh open Mike to you to ask any

1222
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,599
follow-up questions and we'll from now

1223
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,440
on for this question, we'll deal with

1224
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,599
hands raised for any follow-up questions

1225
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,359
unless they have specific questions for

1226
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:32,390
specific counselors.

1227
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,240
» I didn't have any follow-up questions. I

1228
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,079
did just want to comment on one thing

1229
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:39,599
that I heard multiple times is this idea

1230
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,559
of flexibility and also of ownership.

1231
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,559
And some of the best housing work that's

1232
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,280
being done in the community, being done

1233
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,200
in the in the the country right now, um,

1234
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,240
is really kind of throwing the book out

1235
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,880
on a lot of

1236
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,559
the requirements related to lot

1237
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,760
frontage, lot position, lot dimension.

1238
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,440
and recognizing that one of the fastest

1239
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,960
ways to finance

1240
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,760
housing is small housing on small lots.

1241
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,079
Some of these can be landlocked that

1242
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:19,920
just and and they're smaller than you

1243
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,160
ever thought they would be. And it's

1244
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,960
counterintuitive for us who have just,

1245
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,559
you know, we've spent all of our years,

1246
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,319
all of our lives seeing people with a

1247
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:31,200
yard and a driveway and the frontage.

1248
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,839
Um, and it'll be important for us to

1249
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:35,680
think outside the box on some of those

1250
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,079
things where we're talking about really

1251
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,040
small lots, um, really small, sometimes

1252
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,599
non-existent frontage for the purposes

1253
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:47,040
of of creating a path to quick financing

1254
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,000
and home ownership and, you know, stuff

1255
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,520
that's financially viable. So,

1256
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,839
>> thank you. Any counselors want to add

1257
00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:57,680
any other thoughts on anything that's

1258
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,760
been said or any other brainstorming

1259
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,599
ideas on priorities or goals? We'll

1260
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:08,470
start with councelor Shane.

1261
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,880
» It I don't quite fit the category you

1262
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,280
did, but I don't completely understand.

1263
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,760
So maybe in in the comments you make

1264
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,160
later um I I know what a 40 or overlay

1265
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,920
is or can be and then a village creating

1266
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,359
a village. Um and and trying to think of

1267
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:30,720
does that it's a question. Do you

1268
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,040
reszone the entire area? Do you resone

1269
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,000
parcels of it? Um do you say there's

1270
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,200
continuous in this area and that area or

1271
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,710
is is it a giant over

1272
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,119
literally envisioning little houses

1273
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,640
here, tall buildings there, senior. So,

1274
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,359
I don't quite understand what the zoning

1275
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:57,119
lever is that allows that diversity

1276
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,000
without saying we're in charge of

1277
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,480
selling the lots, which we're not,

1278
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,319
>> right? And so we haven't chosen our

1279
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:06,160
zoning lever and we'll probably have

1280
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,800
multiple levers um because again we have

1281
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,440
to have that flexibility and you know I

1282
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,440
think where we are now is where you've

1283
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,319
seen in terms of our case study research

1284
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:18,079
and you know I've written a lot of

1285
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,079
zoning and so I'm I'm I can get into the

1286
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:23,760
weeds really quickly on this stuff and won't put you all to sleep right now

1287
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,400
but it's you know this idea of a master

1288
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,319
plan is definitely some a tool that has

1289
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:30,480
to be on the tape if somebody is going

1290
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,119
to come forward and purchase just a very

1291
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:36,720
large piece of land and you have

1292
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,559
aspirations and the developer has

1293
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,880
aspirations about creating something

1294
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,280
that is an experience, a destination, a

1295
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,760
neighborhood, a cohesive working

1296
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,960
functioning community. Um, then a master

1297
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,960
plan is an example of something that has

1298
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,040
to happen. So that sort of sets the

1299
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,359
stage for how a site will be

1300
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:58,240
conceptually laid out over time. And

1301
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,400
then once the engineers and the

1302
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,200
designers really get into it, that's

1303
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,559
when you sort of go to that second

1304
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,000
level. So that's why you've seen a lot

1305
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,240
of communities sort of use the, you

1306
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,559
know, at a 10,000 foot level, they

1307
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,960
master plan out, they permit that by

1308
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,640
special permit, and then when somebody

1309
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,160
wants to come in and develop that

1310
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,720
neighborhood and this particular area,

1311
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:20,160
then the engineers and the designers

1312
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,440
really come in and get it done, the

1313
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,800
storm water, the wastewater, all of

1314
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,400
those things. And that goes through a

1315
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,800
site plan review process. That's not

1316
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,720
necessarily the track we'll take, but

1317
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:30,319
that's what we've seen in other

1318
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:32,240
communities where you've got that 10,000

1319
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,559
foot look. This this is the kind of

1320
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,000
community that we want. This looks like

1321
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,319
a really great concept. This will be

1322
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:41,599
beautiful in 15 years. Um, but we are

1323
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:43,920
going to build it three, four, five,

1324
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,480
seven years at a time and permit this

1325
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,400
along the way with a different process.

1326
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,839
Jeff,

1327
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:54,400
>> I'm not sure that I definitely not

1328
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,839
trying to belabor the point, but I think

1329
00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:57,680
the question is a really good one that

1330
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,119
the councelor asked. I think we're not

1331
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:00,400
there yet. I think we wanted to touch

1332
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,680
base with the council and then we go

1333
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:02,880
through the public process. But I think

1334
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,319
that's one of the key questions that we

1335
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,480
have and I think that was some of the

1336
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,520
sentiment that we heard with the

1337
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,880
planning board was if our zoning that we

1338
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,040
have worked with doesn't work, we should

1339
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,800
try something new. And I think we might

1340
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,400
have such a unique opportunity where we

1341
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,480
will probably need to try something new

1342
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,040
or at least continue to explore how best

1343
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,880
we could get the results that it sounds

1344
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,319
like people are pretty pretty

1345
00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:26,480
consistently kind of wanting the results

1346
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,000
and we have to make sure that we have

1347
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,760
the zoning tools. That's what this boils

1348
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,280
down to is our control is going to be

1349
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,040
through zoning. So that's going to be

1350
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,720
the task over the next several months is

1351
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,480
to figure that part out. And then the

1352
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,599
other thing I just wanted to say because

1353
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,800
it relates to understanding what we do

1354
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,839
have control over. And so with regard to

1355
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:45,760
reusing existing buildings, I think it's

1356
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,760
a fantastic concept, our ability through

1357
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,559
zoning will be primarily to make it as

1358
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,599
easy as possible to reuse buildings for

1359
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,319
whatever the best use is for. And I

1360
00:53:58,319 --> 00:53:59,760
think we can encourage that. That's how

1361
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,520
you do it is you encourage it by making

1362
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,839
it super easy. But there are going to be

1363
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:06,800
some financial implications of that. And

1364
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,520
it's not the town's buildings. So

1365
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,040
there's this evaluation that we

1366
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,520
understand that the college is likely to

1367
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,160
try to pursue some level of assessment

1368
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,760
of the buildings to understand their

1369
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,200
current condition and the potential

1370
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,440
reusability, but it's not something that

1371
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,760
we have the control over. So if you

1372
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,359
think Wildwood for example, that's the

1373
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:26,559
town's building and we're going to

1374
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:27,599
investigate that and we're going to

1375
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,720
determine its reusability. But here our

1376
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,240
tool is going to be through zoning. So

1377
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:33,920
the idea of making it flexible possibly

1378
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,760
without a lot without requiring it to be

1379
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,920
its own parcel, you know, minimizing

1380
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,119
parking requirements. We're going to

1381
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,359
have to really think creatively to

1382
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:43,040
incentivize the reuse and allow it to

1383
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,480
happen through zoning. So there's just

1384
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,520
something there that we're going to

1385
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,800
continue to flesh out as we move

1386
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,240
forward. But I just wanted to kind of

1387
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,599
make that point because it was a good

1388
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:50,240
one.

1389
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,440
>> Thank you. Um my hands up next. So, I

1390
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,520
like the idea of that master plan

1391
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,599
development and then sort of things

1392
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:02,319
underneath and and I love the idea of

1393
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:04,400
creative use of zoning whether that be

1394
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,079
look it looks completely different from

1395
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,240
what our our current zoning bylaw looks

1396
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,400
like or anything because I think we need

1397
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,680
creativity there. Um,

1398
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,119
and the other thing I would add to my my

1399
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:19,440
three goals there was was don't be

1400
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,440
afraid of high density. um is is is one

1401
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,470
of my goals. So, Council Rooney,

1402
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,960
» thank you. Uh one of the items that was

1403
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,680
also on my list is uh protection and

1404
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,160
encouragement of the arts and culture of

1405
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,880
the area. And I'm not sure that that's

1406
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,839
uh handled through zoning, but uh that

1407
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:44,240
would involve protection of access for

1408
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:51,119
the existing cultural entities there and perhaps taking advantage of again

1409
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,920
talking about facilities, taking in

1410
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,720
advantage of some of the um the main

1411
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,640
facilities on the campus for something

1412
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,559
like conference center. UMass has not

1413
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:04,480
devel

1414
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,799
I think

1415
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:10,000
uh community.

1416
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,359
Thank you.

1417
00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:12,880
>> Could you say that again? You broke up

1418
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,559
while you were saying your last bit

1419
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,760
about conference centers.

1420
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,880
>> Uh utilization of existing some of the

1421
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,280
existing buildings for conference

1422
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,880
center. UMass has not yet developed one

1423
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,119
and it's it's maybe on the books, but

1424
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:32,319
here's a a really uh imminent

1425
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:35,119
opportunity for perhaps um conference

1426
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:37,839
center, not necessarily controlled by

1427
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:41,760
zoning, but perhaps perhaps at Kennedy.

1428
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,160
>> Thank you. Um Councelor McCloud.

1429
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,040
>> Uh thank you, Mandy. Um, [clears throat]

1430
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,559
I watched part of the um, presentation

1431
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,799
from the other week again today and I

1432
00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:59,920
put an asterisk as I heard you reference

1433
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,680
uh, sewage usage and getting close to

1434
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,640
limits as a town and that overall the

1435
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,480
infrastructure is good. It's, you know,

1436
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,040
an ideal situation for the most part.

1437
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,359
But when I heard you referencing getting

1438
00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:16,640
close to the limits of the town

1439
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,680
infrastructure, it prompted me to say

1440
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,280
what types of expenses might

1441
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,599
be incurred by the town that might not

1442
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:29,359
be anticipated. And specifically,

1443
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:32,559
how close are we to our sewage limited

1444
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,640
building? Lots goes in here. Is it on

1445
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,000
the town or you know do we just

1446
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,200
I would assume it's a development uh

1447
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,880
expense.

1448
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,559
>> Yes, those usually are development

1449
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,440
expense. Um especially with the with the

1450
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,000
large um site type of investment that

1451
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,280
you see. Uh can't guarantee that. Um the

1452
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,920
most important thing is to work out an

1453
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,760
arrangement that is beneficial to the

1454
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,839
town. Right? You don't want it to be

1455
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:02,240
financially detrimental to the town. and

1456
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,440
any good developer is going to

1457
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,760
understand that coming to the table. Um

1458
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:06,960
I think in terms of the current

1459
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,359
infrastructure, there's two limitations

1460
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:11,440
that you often talk about with a sewage

1461
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,240
system. One is the physical limits of

1462
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,559
the system which is not something that

1463
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,960
is an issue at this point. There's also

1464
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,839
the permit limitations um where you're

1465
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:23,599
actually permitted to discharge. And so

1466
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:26,079
that's a administrative permit thing.

1467
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,480
Both of those will have to be looked at

1468
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,520
over time, but there's nothing right now

1469
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,000
that would I mean the the college is

1470
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,920
using sewer capacity, right? So you

1471
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,920
think about the amount of flow that

1472
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,240
they're generating now. So there is an

1473
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,079
allocation that's already there that can

1474
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:44,799
accommodate redevelopment going forward.

1475
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:46,480
So it's just a question of incrementally

1476
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:47,839
managing that over time.

1477
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:49,680
>> Uh thank you. But you were talking about

1478
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,280
townwide

1479
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,160
usage limits, not college specific use,

1480
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,160
area specific usage limits. Correct?

1481
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,760
>> Yeah, they all go to this. Yeah, that

1482
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:58,720
one spot

1483
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,880
>> and and that question and that is going

1484
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,079
to be something that will be

1485
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:03,839
investigated later on during this

1486
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:07,680
process um as we collect questions from

1487
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,000
the public and and the counselors. I did

1488
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,480
have a follow-up question if that's okay

1489
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,000
since I'm um I looked at the zoning maps

1490
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,040
that you generated uh and quite helpful.

1491
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,880
I saw some zoning that was RLD along

1492
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,960
with FC and could someone explain to me

1493
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,640
how that works in terms of overlay

1494
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,240
because there's two different zones

1495
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,880
there. I assume they both apply but is

1496
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,640
one predominant and the second was added

1497
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,640
later.

1498
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,319
>> Jeff? Yeah, I think it's an evol for the

1499
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:41,359
mic, please.

1500
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:43,119
>> Yeah, we want to be we wanted to be

1501
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:44,799
sensitive not to try to answer every

1502
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:46,400
question that we get right now tonight

1503
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,680
because there there's some that are

1504
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,839
going to be difficult to explain. The

1505
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:51,520
residential low density was one of the

1506
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,200
original zoning districts that the town

1507
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,599
has. It's creates lot sizes of a certain

1508
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:58,000
type. It's it's low density and then the

1509
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,400
farmland conservation was overlaid over

1510
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,079
that at some period and we don't I don't

1511
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,559
know the date of that. So it is part of

1512
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,160
the discussion that we will have moving

1513
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,839
forward based on your input, based on

1514
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:09,200
the community input, we need to decide

1515
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,720
whether we're talking about changing

1516
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,880
that or not and what it does and what it

1517
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,319
doesn't do. So that's a future

1518
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:16,160
consideration. And the other thing I

1519
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:17,119
just want to say about infrastructure

1520
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:18,720
and I know maybe we're drifting into the

1521
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,079
next set of questions which are probably

1522
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:21,119
concerns.

1523
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:22,960
>> Um you know it's not it should not be

1524
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,520
lost on this group that if this were to

1525
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,359
be developed over a period of time there

1526
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:30,400
are new rate payers and that is going to

1527
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,119
be helpful to the town. So while there

1528
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,079
might be some additional usage, there

1529
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:39,440
will also be new rateayers um much much

1530
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,680
more than what is being paid now by the

1531
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,520
college. So those are going to be

1532
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,280
helpful for future wastewater

1533
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,599
improvement uh that might be necessary.

1534
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:49,839
So just be mindful that there will be

1535
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:51,839
additional rateayers contributing to

1536
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:53,520
improvements which is a benefit in

1537
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,119
addition to potential tax revenue. So we

1538
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:57,280
are we have that fully developed you

1539
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,280
know scope with the U3 adviserss and

1540
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,319
they will be talking about tax revenue

1541
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:05,200
um generation and impacts uh school

1542
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,839
enrollment and more clarity on the

1543
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:10,640
actual infrastructure cost. So that's

1544
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,359
coming up before we get to January where

1545
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:14,880
they haven't started that evaluation

1546
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:15,200
yet.

1547
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,960
>> Yep. Thank you. We're gonna move on to

1548
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,280
councelor Tub.

1549
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,680
>> Um thank you. Yeah, this I guess is a

1550
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,839
question I agree with councelor Hannicki

1551
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:27,680
in terms of having a master plan um you

1552
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,480
know and a so a vision that you know we

1553
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,559
would like to see whoever is developing

1554
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:35,520
or purchases that [clears throat] land

1555
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,160
to work towards and I guess when you

1556
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,640
said you know this may happen you know

1557
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,559
in fiveyear increments it may be 20

1558
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:44,559
years till if we if there is a master

1559
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:48,720
plan it's fully built out but is there

1560
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,960
anything we

1561
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,839
do I mean or or is there a concern that

1562
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:55,839
you know a few houses will get built and

1563
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:58,000
then nothing else will happen for a long

1564
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,920
time or is there you know any way

1565
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,760
may I don't know if it's the zoning

1566
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,760
provides an incentive or it's just a

1567
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,400
matter if all the stars line up that you

1568
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,400
know if we if a master plan is developed

1569
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,599
that it is achievable and we can have

1570
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:17,440
some sort of timeline to try help make

1571
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,240
sure we get there.

1572
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,359
>> Excellent. Um, that's more of prompt

1573
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:27,359
two, but if if you want to provide

1574
01:02:27,359 --> 01:02:30,480
answer or response to that, um, I just

1575
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:31,760
reminding people we're on the

1576
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,440
>> the 30 second answer is that's not

1577
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,680
really the purview of zoning. Um,

1578
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,880
developers are under tremendous pressure

1579
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,520
to develop. Um, so the idea that they

1580
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,839
would purchase an enormous swath of land

1581
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:46,480
and then build 40 homes and kind of sit

1582
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,880
on it for many many years, it it's not a

1583
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,119
good business model. Um, so you rely on

1584
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,119
that and you can rely on that. So I'll

1585
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:55,760
leave it at that.

1586
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,390
>> Thank you, Councelor Churchill.

1587
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,480
» Yeah, I mean we're talking about

1588
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,480
resoning and having zoning in place by

1589
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,400
January. And at the same time,

1590
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,079
Hampshire's gotten a loan that's taken

1591
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:09,839
some of the pressure off their them to

1592
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:12,079
sell, but they're looking at they're

1593
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:14,400
still shopping the the land around. And

1594
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,280
I'm I'm just wondering

1595
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,359
what how are those two things related?

1596
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:23,920
Are are we looking to reszone be to to

1597
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,839
help shape what happens when they sell

1598
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:29,200
it? Or if we reszone after they sell it,

1599
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,599
that will shape what I mean, I guess, if

1600
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:33,039
I'm a developer, I'd like to know what

1601
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:34,960
the zoning is going to be.

1602
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,920
But how how we don't have control over

1603
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,359
what Hampshire College does with the

1604
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:41,039
land, but we're trying to put zoning in

1605
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:42,240
place and those things are sort of

1606
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,799
happening in parallel. So, how does that

1607
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:45,920
work?

1608
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,200
>> We're getting a little more into the

1609
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,480
questions, but if there's a quick

1610
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,794
answer, go for it, Jeff.

1611
01:03:51,794 --> 01:03:54,069
[laughter]

1612
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:55,920
» It's a great question. We think that

1613
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,119
we're being proactive and looking at the

1614
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,039
zoning that we know doesn't accommodate

1615
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:04,799
very many uses. So, we're we're actively

1616
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:06,559
engaged in this and I think that's our

1617
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:08,480
process and that's our intent is to do

1618
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,880
this as quickly as is reasonable. The

1619
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,240
only thing I did actually want to

1620
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,599
mention is we're not seeking to have

1621
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,920
zoning in place by January. We're having

1622
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,280
the the proposed zoning ready to submit

1623
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,359
to town council which then starts the

1624
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:23,520
process. So, you know, being realistic,

1625
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,119
we're we're still expecting several

1626
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:27,039
months after January for zoning to

1627
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:29,280
potentially be adopted, but that's our

1628
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,280
target is to have the the proposal ready

1629
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,400
for January. We're doing this quickly to

1630
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,359
be efficient and to be ready. We we'd

1631
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:39,680
rather be doing this before before we

1632
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,000
know what's happening because once if if

1633
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,880
we didn't do anything and we waited um

1634
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:45,920
we're not sure that that's the best

1635
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,200
outcome for the town and so that's why

1636
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,000
we're we're being active right now.

1637
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,640
>> Thank you. I see. No other hands. Um,

1638
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,160
Nate or Peter, are there any

1639
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:55,680
clarification questions you'd like to

1640
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,920
ask? And then I'll give the counselors

1641
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,680
one more quick shot if they have

1642
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,960
anything to say on goals or priorities.

1643
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,200
No. Counselors, any last

1644
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,599
quick goals or priorities that haven't

1645
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,160
been mentioned or that you feel you need

1646
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,280
to expound on quickly or expand on

1647
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,960
quickly? Andy, your hand is still up.

1648
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,000
No. Okay.

1649
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,839
We will move on then. Um the next one is

1650
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:27,200
the next prompt is what are your

1651
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,680
greatest concerns or questions about the

1652
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,160
campus's future? As you saw, it's hard

1653
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,319
to hear about and state goals and

1654
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:36,640
priorities without also having questions

1655
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,039
and concerns. So, we moved a little bit

1656
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:41,760
into that towards the end. Um again, a

1657
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,280
random order and it is a different

1658
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,280
random order. So, not everyone is always

1659
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,520
at the end or the beginning. [laughter]

1660
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,760
I I I thought of that. So um

1661
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,079
again quick round robin on this one. Um

1662
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:58,870
we start with councelor brevik.

1663
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,880
» Point of clarification. Are they

1664
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,640
answering each qu should we ask a

1665
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,119
question wait for an answer or we are

1666
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:08,799
>> we we are collecting after all 13 I will

1667
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:10,799
go back to the consultants to see if

1668
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:12,240
there's any they would like to address

1669
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:12,640
or

1670
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,000
>> Got it. Sorry if you said that.

1671
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,839
>> No no no I didn't. So thank you for

1672
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:17,860
asking that clarification. Um,

1673
01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:18,720
[laughter]

1674
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,000
Council Breick.

1675
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,000
>> Okay. So, my main question was answered

1676
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,920
in that little last round that we just

1677
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,640
had, but is really that question about

1678
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,480
revenue generation as obviously that is

1679
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,480
such a primary goal for us on the

1680
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,160
council,

1681
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,960
how it what what it will look like to

1682
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,680
estimate revenue generation as part of

1683
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,920
this process. I'm just curious since it

1684
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,079
obviously depends so much on the

1685
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:44,000
specific development and the developer

1686
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,640
and the market and so many different

1687
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,280
factors. So I'm I'm just cur curious

1688
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,799
about the process for estimating revenue

1689
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:55,039
generation as part as part of the master

1690
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,680
plan. Um, and then I had another

1691
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,079
question on um, the focus groups and the

1692
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:03,920
community engagement process and just

1693
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,160
thinking about equity and diversity and

1694
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,799
how you plan to ensure that you're

1695
01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:11,119
getting diverse perspectives and hearing

1696
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,039
from lots of different types of

1697
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,599
stakeholders in that process.

1698
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:19,280
>> Thank you, Councelor Greimer.

1699
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,760
>> Um, my concerns are the following.

1700
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,559
There's some trends that are happening

1701
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:27,280
that I think even our existing plans

1702
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,760
don't quite take into consideration and

1703
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,039
some of these unfortunately have been

1704
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:32,880
brought on by the present administration

1705
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,280
in Washington. For example, UMass

1706
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,640
Ammerst has accepted 200 less graduate

1707
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,359
students because their research dollars

1708
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:44,960
are down by 10%. And recovering from

1709
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,720
that isn't going to happen overnight and

1710
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,160
it won't happen with the midterm

1711
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,760
elections. So there's things happening

1712
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,160
in town that are affecting the

1713
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,799
population that in fact comes to this

1714
01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:00,480
town. Another one is in general western

1715
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,960
Mass is not growing. In fact, it's

1716
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,079
losing population. The town the state of

1717
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:08,000
Massachusetts will probably lose a

1718
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,240
congressional seat in this in the next

1719
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:11,839
round.

1720
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:14,880
And you know, Ammerst is attractive, but

1721
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,440
are we can we really buck the trend of

1722
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:19,120
what's going on with our region in

1723
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:20,640
general?

1724
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:22,400
And when you drive up and down our

1725
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,359
streets, you see a lot of rentals still

1726
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,279
available right now. And they're the

1727
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,319
older homes, frankly, that aren't as

1728
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:34,319
attractive to live in. So besides that,

1729
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:38,640
absolutely no data centers.

1730
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,990
Uh, councelor Tob.

1731
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,920
» Um,

1732
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,920
yeah. Well, my concern um is also with

1733
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,000
our declining population. Um, I know I

1734
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,679
think it was in the presentation that

1735
01:08:55,679 --> 01:08:56,960
may have been given to the planning

1736
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,759
board. I listen uh by the consultants um

1737
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:03,440
last week. I listened to that and um

1738
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:07,359
there there was discussion and of

1739
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,600
you know of doing a study to really see

1740
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,839
what the need for housing is here. I

1741
01:09:11,839 --> 01:09:14,799
mean, we know that there are people that

1742
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:17,279
want to live in Amherst that aren't able

1743
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:21,359
to, but um so my question would be, what

1744
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:25,040
kind of investigation is being done to

1745
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,679
really get a handle on what the demand

1746
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:30,319
for different kinds of housing is?

1747
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,560
Because I would think that even

1748
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,480
potential developers that would be

1749
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:36,480
purchasing the land are probably doing

1750
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:39,440
that investigation as well. And then my

1751
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:42,319
question again about you know what um

1752
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,600
which is why I think senior housing is

1753
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,880
something that there is a demand for

1754
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,960
because our population in Amorest is

1755
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,839
aging and a lot of us would like to stay

1756
01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:58,000
here as we may downsize from our homes.

1757
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,280
>> That's my question.

1758
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:02,320
>> Thank you councelor Walker.

1759
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,320
>> Uh thank you. And this is to share some

1760
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,080
of the concerns we have correct?

1761
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,600
>> Yes. Concerns and questions. Um

1762
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,600
I think I mean overall my concern is the

1763
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,320
general ownership um and who will come

1764
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,880
forward to purchase

1765
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,040
the the land and facilities and whether

1766
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,760
or not there that there will be multiple

1767
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,000
buyers and if that will make this

1768
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,679
process uh more challenging for us.

1769
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:32,080
um and whether or not our zoning

1770
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,239
practices will actually be able to guide

1771
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:36,320
this process or if we'll end up having

1772
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,440
to be reactive with our zoning. Um

1773
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:42,080
that's a concern for me. Um, I'm also

1774
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,120
just concerned about the benefit to the

1775
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,000
overall town and and local use and how

1776
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,679
our residents will be able to util

1777
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:53,120
utilize this space, but also hoping that

1778
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,840
current residents who are either cost

1779
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,440
burdened or just looking for other

1780
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:00,480
housing opportunities will have priority

1781
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:03,280
access um to whatever development if

1782
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,679
there is housing development here. Um

1783
01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:07,760
and then also just looking at measuring

1784
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,000
and predicting revenue generation.

1785
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,920
>> Thank you. Councelor Delin Goth here.

1786
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,920
>> This round robin thing is exciting.

1787
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,400
Never know. Um

1788
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:21,360
>> is your mic on?

1789
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,800
>> It it is. Okay. I know. I

1790
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,199
um if you can't hear me, tell me. So, I

1791
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:31,280
have concerns about single ownership and

1792
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,120
when we think about zoning and I know

1793
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,120
again that this is a concern that is

1794
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,239
likely to be realized. Um, but I I have

1795
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:40,000
concerns about one developer, one

1796
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,679
organization purchasing the entire

1797
01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:43,360
property. Um, which is why when I'm

1798
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,120
thinking about the zoning, I like the

1799
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,400
idea of like the idea of zoning pieces

1800
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,440
of it, uh, agricultural pieces of it,

1801
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:53,920
uh, you know, uh, residential things

1802
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,560
like that versus the entire thing in one

1803
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,280
area or, yeah, however we can encourage

1804
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,360
multiple folks coming in, I think

1805
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,520
supports that vision of more of a

1806
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,400
community uh, and and different types of

1807
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,920
entities entering that space. Um I am

1808
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,040
and with that I am concerned with the

1809
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,719
general exploitation of broad brush

1810
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:16,560
zoning. So if we think about making it

1811
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,800
too vague, we know that people are going

1812
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,320
to find loopholes. We know that people

1813
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,480
are going to um I mean capitalism

1814
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,400
exists, right? So how do we make sure

1815
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,520
that we're we're not

1816
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,920
that we're encouraging the use of this

1817
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,600
property in a way that supports our tax

1818
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,920
base without making it so broad that

1819
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,280
we're going to end up with something we

1820
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,920
really are afraid of going. Um that's

1821
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,760
not necessarily the most helpful framing

1822
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,239
for you all, but that is my concern. Um

1823
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:44,400
and then I I know in the prior

1824
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:45,920
conversation, Jeeoff, you said this

1825
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,080
wasn't a concern to you um when when

1826
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:49,760
asked about data centers. And I know

1827
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,040
that this is kind of the hot topic

1828
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,600
generally, but data centers are one

1829
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,000
example of this kind of largecale

1830
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,600
development coming in. And so when I

1831
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,719
think about largecale anything, um I I I

1832
01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:02,159
keep pushing the idea of multiple

1833
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:04,400
different entities because the idea of

1834
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,560
one thing taking over a huge part of

1835
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,600
that land concerns.

1836
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,950
>> Thank you. Um Councelor Kennel Martin.

1837
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,960
» Yeah. Um, I mean, I think my biggest

1838
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,800
concern, and I I think I might have I

1839
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,340
did bring this up at an, um, previous

1840
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:22,560
[clears throat] meeting, was just, um,

1841
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,640
how can you have a process that's really

1842
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,640
inclusive and participatory when we're

1843
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,040
on such a tight timeline? And I think

1844
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,040
that, you know, you can, you know, you

1845
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,560
can certainly have a virtual session

1846
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,320
and, you know, people who come to it are

1847
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,440
going to be the people who tend to come

1848
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:36,880
to things because they're in the know

1849
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,239
and they're in the loop and they get the

1850
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,560
emails and there's so many parts of our

1851
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,000
community where that just doesn't cut

1852
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,000
it. And we want to make sure that we're

1853
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,520
getting input on how to use this

1854
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,920
property from people um really a

1855
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,360
cross-section of the community, you

1856
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:50,960
know, including different races,

1857
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,080
different ages, different income levels,

1858
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,320
um you know, different uh just, you

1859
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:57,679
know, fully representing the diversity

1860
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:01,120
of Ammerst. And so, um I'm I'm concerned

1861
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,040
if we don't have that level of

1862
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,080
participation that whatever we do come

1863
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:07,760
up with won't be something that the

1864
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,520
community can support and that can get

1865
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,560
us in trouble down the line. So, um I am

1866
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,719
really concerned um about the process

1867
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:16,960
piece and you know I think that's really

1868
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,239
my my main concern.

1869
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:24,310
>> Thank you councelor Shane.

1870
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,520
I uh I'll start with where uh Andy

1871
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,679
Churchill ended on goals on a uh that

1872
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:33,760
we've got a Hampshire has to move on

1873
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,960
this and we haven't reszoned or we

1874
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,480
haven't come up with what we want to

1875
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:43,760
reszone and will we be um too late to

1876
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,560
influence what evolves you know if they

1877
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,440
start selling off pieces for example and

1878
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:51,199
I realize they they've got the challenge

1879
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,360
if it's only zoned for some kind things

1880
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,360
so they're coming for an application.

1881
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,440
So, where the tennis courts, indoor

1882
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,760
tennis courts are are on dry land, it's

1883
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,159
right on Bay Road, great piece of land.

1884
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:04,239
Will that just disappear while we're

1885
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:06,400
thinking of what else could happen? So

1886
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:10,000
it's sort of a a timing issue and and

1887
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,159
the the concern about is it one large

1888
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:16,719
developer. So if someone came in and

1889
01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:19,679
they um

1890
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:22,640
one large non-taxable

1891
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,480
entity came in with a lot of money. Um

1892
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:29,520
do can we zone in a way that it can't be

1893
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,320
reszoned to be all non-t taxable? And

1894
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,159
just so everyone knows, Applewood pays

1895
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:37,120
taxes, so not all nonprofits are not

1896
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,960
taxable. Um, so I am I am concerned that

1897
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,520
one developer eats up all of it and we

1898
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,320
don't have this opportunity to think of

1899
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,840
cluster cluster development. So honest

1900
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,000
question of should we do it in p some

1901
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,960
pieces. So say some of this is a pur

1902
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,440
these are cluster housing. This is

1903
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:01,520
senior but senior continuous living. Um,

1904
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,080
so I'll I'll leave it with how do we

1905
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,880
drive the mix that we might want that I

1906
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:13,040
don't feel like zoning is the is when we don't have ownership is is

1907
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,880
enough of a level and then I just want

1908
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,880
to do when you do the revenue estimates

1909
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:23,679
try to do net. So if you bring in a huge

1910
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:26,880
number of families with children, what's

1911
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,280
the school capacity that we have? Do we

1912
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,320
need to build a school? Seniors, active

1913
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,480
seniors, 50 plus. It's not just to move

1914
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,239
people out of their houses. Emmeris is

1915
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:40,000
an amazing place to retire to. And we

1916
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,400
could be a mecca for active seniors

1917
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,040
because we've got the other colleges and

1918
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,280
universities here. Um my mother was

1919
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,000
advertising in New Jersey. she moved up

1920
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,600
and she was telling all her friends you

1921
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,920
need to move up here and there and they

1922
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,920
were active when I'm saying 15 and plus

1923
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,480
so so just trying to think of you know a

1924
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:00,719
vibrant community as well but I'm not

1925
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:03,120
the big concern I have is that we don't

1926
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,360
quite have the levers to get us what we

1927
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,960
want and we'll get to your the last your

1928
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,440
worst worries the 20 years ago from now

1929
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:14,080
we'll look at what our vision was and

1930
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,080
what did we get but but trying to think

1931
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,800
of what is the best way so is it pieces

1932
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,760
is if we think of zoning that's more

1933
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,400
likely to encourage what we want rather

1934
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,640
than just a master plan but very

1935
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,719
specific pieces.

1936
01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:32,709
>> Thank you, Council Ryan.

1937
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:35,520
» So, three things. One, I worry about the

1938
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,400
market. Um, I think there's a general

1939
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:39,920
consensus when I'm hearing from my

1940
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,560
colleagues of workforce housing, starter

1941
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,920
homes, affordable housing.

1942
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,360
Does anyone out there want to build what

1943
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,520
we want? I I wonder if there's a market.

1944
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,520
Um, and that's nothing I think that's

1945
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,760
just a fear I have that that there's no

1946
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,120
market. There's this is is this

1947
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,600
financially viable? Um, is one thing I'm

1948
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,960
concerned about. Second has to do with

1949
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:05,040
the the scenario that what if

1950
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,239
this simply remains largely uh non-t

1951
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:10,640
taxable. If it remains essentially still

1952
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,679
pretty much Hampshire College 2.0,

1953
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:15,760
what's our plan B? Is there a plan B? Is

1954
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,760
that like game over? Um, that's what I

1955
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,640
worry about concerns. And finally, I

1956
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:23,920
think what we're doing makes a lot of

1957
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,760
sense. I appreciate very much the work

1958
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,080
that our planning department and our

1959
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,080
consultants are doing, but I my other

1960
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,239
concern is the impact of this on all the

1961
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:34,640
other things that Japanese department

1962
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,719
are being asked to do. The town's other

1963
01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:38,640
more, you know, pressing immediate

1964
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,719
concerns with planning and development.

1965
01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:42,400
Um, I think it was mentioned earlier, we

1966
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,400
have an aging housing stock. A lot of

1967
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,239
those starter homes that were built in

1968
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:49,120
the 70s are now aging out and what can

1969
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,520
we as a town do to assist their owners?

1970
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,120
What can we do to address that? There

1971
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,280
are a number of issues. So what's the

1972
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,280
impact of focusing on this over the next

1973
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,159
four, five, six months on the very

1974
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:01,440
important work that our planning

1975
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:04,560
department is also doing in other areas?

1976
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,440
>> Thank you, Council Mloud.

1977
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:11,120
>> Uh thank you, Mandy. Uh concerns. Uh who

1978
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:15,520
buys it? that's if if it gets sold I

1979
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,920
who's who buys it and all the

1980
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:23,120
implications there associated with it um

1981
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:28,320
if if it get gets bought by developer uh

1982
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,560
or whoever what are the financial

1983
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:34,320
impacts to the town uh not just tax

1984
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,880
revenue but other expenses this kind of

1985
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,120
aligns with what uh Kathy was

1986
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,440
referencing in terms of net what what

1987
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,600
expenses might the town have affiliated

1988
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,440
with any form of development or

1989
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:49,040
otherwise? Uh, it's not relevant to our

1990
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,360
conversation, but I do have concerns for

1991
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,840
the existing Hampshire community. I

1992
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,719
can't help but think about the people

1993
01:19:56,719 --> 01:19:58,800
who've lost their jobs, the students who

1994
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:03,600
have lost their um, college. I mean,

1995
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,960
it's awful. Uh, and we have to consider

1996
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,520
what we're considering, but

1997
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,280
and I don't know what we can do in that

1998
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,280
regard because the the talk clock is

1999
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,600
ticking and Hampshire has made its

2000
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,360
determinations, but yeah, I I have great

2001
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,880
uh uh concerns for the existing folks.

2002
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:27,040
It's uh it's a terrible shame. Um,

2003
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,360
other than that,

2004
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:30,880
probably nothing new than we've already

2005
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,960
discussed. I I may come up with

2006
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,360
something down the road. uh getting

2007
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,480
opinions from all the different members

2008
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:40,800
of the community that uh both councelor

2009
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,800
Breick and councelor Kan Mart

2010
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,679
referenced. I think it's very important

2011
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:48,239
in a quote unquote brainstorming

2012
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:50,239
process, which is what we're doing right

2013
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:54,560
now, that we seek to receive as many uh

2014
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,040
different thoughts and ideas as we can

2015
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,400
because you never know if there's

2016
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,600
somebody in the room metaphorically who

2017
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,480
uh stays silent. But that person could

2018
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:08,960
be uh you know just a brilliant or a

2019
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,600
great idea and we wouldn't know it if we

2020
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,920
didn't hear about it. So I would say

2021
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,800
reaching our net wide to collect ideas

2022
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,520
to filter through because uh we're only

2023
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,640
13 or you know 20 folks here. Thank you.

2024
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,640
>> Thank you councelor Rooney.

2025
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,960
So um I think my concern is that in this

2026
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,679
time frame we have

2027
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:36,560
enough of a enough of a general layout a

2028
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:40,560
general master plan that somehow gives a

2029
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:44,080
sense of logical zones of development

2030
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,159
as you're analyzing the property. you

2031
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:49,600
see logical zones of development that in

2032
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,080
fact if Hampshire trustees were to um

2033
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,400
subdivide the property there would be

2034
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,600
some again some logical subdivision of

2035
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,679
that piece. So it might not go

2036
01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:04,800
necessarily to one huge operator but it

2037
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,840
may be able to be parcled out. Um part

2038
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,920
of that subdivision is um separating out

2039
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,639
the roads so that those become

2040
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:17,199
essentially public roads and not uh

2041
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:20,480
private ways that exclude access to some

2042
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,400
of the pe the facilities that are there

2043
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,960
like Eric Carl and and Yiddish Book

2044
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:26,400
Center.

2045
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:27,920
>> Thank you.

2046
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:33,830
Councelor Churchill.

2047
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:35,760
I guess

2048
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,840
um one of my concerns is that nothing

2049
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,560
happens. Um either that we can't coales

2050
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,040
around a vision or we get tripped up

2051
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,280
because we're like oh we can't spend the

2052
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:50,639
money for infrastructure so we don't we let that be a barrier for us doing

2053
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:52,480
what needs what what would really be a

2054
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:55,920
benefit um if we could get past the

2055
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,520
inevitable barriers that we'll have to

2056
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,760
hop over. So, um, another concern would

2057
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,520
be that it would be sold to a non-t

2058
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,280
taxable educational or religious

2059
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:06,960
organization and so we wouldn't get any

2060
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,600
benefit out of it and we might not, um,

2061
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,280
be as happy with our new neighbors as we

2062
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,880
were were with our old ones. Um,

2063
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:18,480
and I guess um, the other is that I mean

2064
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:19,920
we've talked about whether you know the

2065
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,280
decisions going to be made for us and whether you know how how much

2066
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,920
control we have. So I I guess but I

2067
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,840
guess the other one would be that um

2068
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,280
you know I wouldn't want it just to be a

2069
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,920
sterile subdivision. I'd like it to be

2070
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,159
you know I would worry that that

2071
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:37,840
somebody comes in and does this lowest

2072
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,719
common denominator approach to you want

2073
01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:43,040
housing here's housing and and then it's

2074
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,360
just kind of a dead subdivision. So

2075
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,360
that'd be a concern.

2076
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,590
>> Thank you councelor Lord.

2077
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,800
Um, thank you. Uh,

2078
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,120
some of these concerns may not be

2079
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,320
connected to zoning, but how much

2080
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,239
influence will the community really

2081
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:04,239
have, as have mentioned by a couple of

2082
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:05,920
my fellow counselors? Like, at what

2083
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,760
points can community input actually

2084
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,520
change the outcomes? How are we

2085
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,120
intentionally hearing from renters,

2086
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,280
low-income residents, black and brown

2087
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,679
residents, young people, elders, people

2088
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:17,520
with disabilities,

2089
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,840
um, and other residents who don't

2090
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,600
ordinarily, not saying those groups

2091
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,120
don't, but any residents who don't

2092
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:24,800
ordinarily participate in planning

2093
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,440
meetings. Um, who will actually benefit

2094
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:29,280
from redevelopment?

2095
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,480
I know we don't have a lot of control

2096
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:33,440
over some of these things. Um will

2097
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:37,669
whoever buys or

2098
01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:40,159
singular or multiple are they planning

2099
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,000
for a community is just about

2100
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,520
development

2101
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,199
we can't say what is your intention but

2102
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:46,960
I don't know what maybe we can like what

2103
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,440
commitments can Ammeris make enforceable

2104
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,840
through zoning and permitting

2105
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,400
conservation restrictions and then this

2106
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,239
might be for the next question but it

2107
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:59,120
also it connect because what are we in

2108
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:00,719
danger of losing that we can never get

2109
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:03,199
back. Hampshire

2110
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:04,960
is a legacy that maybe could be

2111
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,679
preserved in one of the facets, one of

2112
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:09,840
the parcels, one of the present, the

2113
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,600
culture,

2114
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,000
the arts. Yeah, that's so that might be

2115
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,679
the next question, but that's also

2116
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:18,080
present in the what are we at risk of

2117
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,000
losing that we can't get back? And then

2118
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,840
of course the financial impact. And I'm

2119
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:23,120
not repeating some of the things other

2120
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:24,880
people said. Thank you.

2121
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,800
>> Thank you. Um my turn is next. And some

2122
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,440
of my concerns are sort of what what

2123
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:32,960
councelor Ryan mentioned about the

2124
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,760
market. If whatever our master plan is

2125
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,440
or whatever we're doing, will it get

2126
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:39,040
built? You know, we've got the declining

2127
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,600
population. What do we need to do to

2128
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,320
sort of ensure that what our vision is

2129
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,360
happens? Um my concern is we have the

2130
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:52,880
vision and nothing happens with it. Um,

2131
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:58,000
I have a concern that um, we will, and

2132
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,679
I'm going to get hit for this, conserve

2133
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:01,600
too much land. We have a lot of

2134
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,000
conserved land in town. As we've seen on

2135
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,239
these maps, there is a lot of buffer.

2136
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:08,080
There is a lot of wetland. There is a

2137
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,920
lot of stuff that already cannot be

2138
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,600
built on. I have a concern that more

2139
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,679
will be added to that to the detriment

2140
01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:18,080
of housing.

2141
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,159
um and that we

2142
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:25,920
will end up with housing at higher costs

2143
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,440
and less density because we've added

2144
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:31,760
more land to the buildable land that is

2145
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,679
not going to get built on. Um and then

2146
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:39,840
we've heard a lot about um who is being

2147
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,560
listened to in these public sessions.

2148
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,320
Um, so I have a concern that we're not

2149
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,320
going to seek input or we can't get

2150
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:49,760
input or we're not going to hear from

2151
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:51,360
the people who want to live here but

2152
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,040
aren't already here. What do they need?

2153
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:56,880
Um,

2154
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,239
it's it's not just about what our own

2155
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:01,840
residents want. If we're looking to

2156
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,600
build 2,000 units, that's not going to

2157
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,679
be occupied by who's currently here

2158
01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:10,080
solely. that's going to be occupied by

2159
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,639
people who haven't been able to live

2160
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:15,040
here for whatever reason and how do we

2161
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,280
ensure that we know what they want and

2162
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:21,120
what would help them move to Ammerst and

2163
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:22,800
what type of housing there. So that's my

2164
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,159
concerns. That ends the 13 counselor

2165
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:29,360
round robin. Um I'm going to send it

2166
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,000
back to the consultants but ask if

2167
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,320
there's a way to answer or address

2168
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,719
particularly two of the concerns that I

2169
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:38,800
heard pop up.

2170
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,639
um a a couple of times which is the the

2171
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:44,960
focus group the public process here um

2172
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,560
and the concerns that we have about that

2173
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:48,080
since that's one of the more immediate

2174
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,000
ones that that doesn't necessarily

2175
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,719
relate to zoning and then the concern

2176
01:27:52,719 --> 01:27:55,440
about sort of all-encompassing the

2177
01:27:55,440 --> 01:27:57,600
declining population the making sure it

2178
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,920
gets built have things like that um if

2179
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,159
that could be addressed before we move

2180
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:04,480
on to any other counselor concerns or

2181
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:07,360
questions from the consultants

2182
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,800
Yeah. So, the the good news is um

2183
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,400
assuming the project budget is approved,

2184
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,159
which is still pending with the state,

2185
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:20,000
but we're confident hopeful. Um but we

2186
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,159
have a a lot of hours to put into public

2187
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:27,199
participation. So, we'll be having the two public workshops at the Eric

2188
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:30,000
Carl Museum later in September. We'll be

2189
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:31,920
having another big public workshop

2190
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,159
beginning of November, which are, you

2191
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:36,159
know, traditional opportunities, but for

2192
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:39,360
people who have the means to get to the

2193
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:43,760
a room at 6:30 on an evening and have

2194
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,000
the wherewithal to participate. So, we

2195
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,239
are looking at other ways to reach out

2196
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:50,239
to people and particularly to go to

2197
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:53,040
groups where they are. I think probably

2198
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:54,560
the main part that's built into the

2199
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,880
budget now are these focus groups that

2200
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:01,600
we have uh budgeted for in October which

2201
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,520
will allow us to meet with whoever wants

2202
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,600
to meet with us wherever they can meet

2203
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,120
with us and

2204
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,480
we don't have the budget to meet with

2205
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:12,400
people individually but to the extent

2206
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,239
that you could for instance help us

2207
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:17,199
identify who we should be meeting with

2208
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:19,040
and help us connect with people who

2209
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,960
might um organize those meetings and

2210
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,600
help to run them. We have the time to do

2211
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,280
that. We'll also be working with

2212
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:32,320
existing town resources um the DEI DEI

2213
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:36,159
office um and getting their help and

2214
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:37,600
ideas for how to reach out to

2215
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,719
underserved populations. Um but it's a

2216
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:42,880
hard one. As you say, the people who

2217
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,880
this is going to serve, some of them

2218
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:46,960
aren't even born yet and they're not in

2219
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,760
Ammerst. Um

2220
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,719
so part of that is using existing

2221
01:29:52,719 --> 01:29:54,960
reports and studies like as Nate said

2222
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,520
you're very good uh brand new

2223
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:59,360
practically housing production plan

2224
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:00,880
which does go into a great deal of

2225
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,199
detail in terms of demographic changes

2226
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:06,000
demographic challenges who is served by

2227
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:07,520
housing and who is not and what's

2228
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:11,120
needed. So, we'll be building on that um

2229
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,080
to try to get a sense by proxy of, you

2230
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:15,600
know, who's going to live here 20 years

2231
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:16,719
from now and what are they going to

2232
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:20,159
need. Um I wanted to ask if any of you

2233
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:24,960
have can point to a project, an effort

2234
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,280
in Ammerst or elsewhere that has done a

2235
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,000
really good job at involving people who

2236
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,080
aren't usually involved in planning

2237
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:33,760
projects.

2238
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:34,880
Maybe you don't have to answer that

2239
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,040
right now, but keep it in mind. Uh

2240
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,679
because we're always looking for what's

2241
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:43,520
worked rather than just try something

2242
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:47,280
and hope it does work.

2243
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:48,639
>> Anything else before I go to the

2244
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:50,560
counselors?

2245
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,159
We're going to go to councelor Ko

2246
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:56,229
Martin. Raise your hand.

2247
01:30:56,239 --> 01:30:58,480
» Yeah, I mean I would I would suggest a

2248
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:00,159
couple things in in terms of like where

2249
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:02,719
to get feedback. I definitely think um

2250
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:05,440
the schools are are a great place to go

2251
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:06,800
just because so many people are are

2252
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,360
there anyway for their children and um

2253
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:10,719
one of the things that I know that the

2254
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:12,480
public schools do um that's really

2255
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:14,320
helpful is when they have an event um

2256
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,239
they provide busing from the apartment

2257
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:19,360
complexes which is like another you know

2258
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:20,800
population of folks that we want to talk

2259
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,400
to especially if we're talking housing.

2260
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,880
So, um I think that you know the schools

2261
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,560
and the apartment complexes, like I

2262
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,280
think we all have in our districts, we

2263
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,520
all have some apartment complexes and we

2264
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:32,880
could definitely like help spread the

2265
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,800
word to them about you know some kind of

2266
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,639
listening session or focus group and I'm

2267
01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:37,920
certainly happy to help with that in

2268
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,239
district 2. Um and then the other thing

2269
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:43,280
I just wanted to lift up as well um is

2270
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,760
the language access piece. And so I

2271
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,679
think that if you're not already at

2272
01:31:47,679 --> 01:31:50,400
least advertising um in English and

2273
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,320
Spanish and you know potentially looking

2274
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,719
at other languages would be really

2275
01:31:54,719 --> 01:31:56,480
important and then and making it clear

2276
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,438
that there will be interpretation at the

2277
01:31:58,438 --> 01:31:59,600
[clears throat] session so that people

2278
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,199
know that ahead of time. So it's not a

2279
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:02,719
question of like do I come and then I

2280
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:03,840
won't be able to understand anything.

2281
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,840
It's more like that resource is already

2282
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,480
there. Um so I just wanted to lift those

2283
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:10,400
things up.

2284
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,560
>> Thank you councelor Greamer

2285
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,880
>> on that topic. Um there are several

2286
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:18,639
nonprofits that serve the various um

2287
01:32:18,639 --> 01:32:20,480
groups within Ammerst and I think

2288
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:23,280
connecting with them for focus uh groups

2289
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:26,000
would be an excellent way to go. Uh

2290
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,159
separate from that I want to just go

2291
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:30,639
back on this issue of workforce housing.

2292
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:33,280
Ammeris College is also focused on this

2293
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,000
right now. They've actually identified a

2294
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,840
piece of property they're in the process

2295
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,679
of studying.

2296
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:41,920
But do we really know if they want to

2297
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,960
move here or is it just easy to say, "I

2298
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,199
can't afford it." But actually, they're

2299
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:49,280
very invested in the community they live

2300
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,679
two communities over. They're on

2301
01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:55,120
councils and committees there. Their

2302
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,360
spouse works there. Their kids love the

2303
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,199
school. Are we really expecting those

2304
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:03,760
people to move to Ammerst because one of

2305
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,480
them work, you know, has a job at one of

2306
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:10,080
the colleges? And so I really think

2307
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,080
workforce housing is a wonderful

2308
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,639
statement, but I would like to make sure

2309
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:16,560
that you investigate to the extent

2310
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:19,120
possible whether or not those people

2311
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:25,840
would really move to Ammerst. It's a it's a technical issue.

2312
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,800
>> Thank you, Councelor Shane.

2313
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,760
I'm just read your question of have

2314
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,840
there been any successful involvement

2315
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:42,639
and one in North Ammeris is belly CDC is about to open a bunch of duplexes. Um

2316
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:45,280
it's pretty dense envelop development

2317
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,000
with some shared green space. Early on

2318
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,639
they involved the whole North Ammeris

2319
01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:53,679
group uh invited people in and they had

2320
01:33:53,679 --> 01:33:55,679
little boxes you could move around the

2321
01:33:55,679 --> 01:33:58,719
land to see how this might work and they

2322
01:33:58,719 --> 01:34:01,440
changed the design. They ended up not

2323
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:03,360
having whether it's a good outcome or

2324
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,520
not but not having any onebedroom so

2325
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,719
it's two and threebedroom and they

2326
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:11,199
originally had some market rate but it's

2327
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:12,800
all affordable because they realized

2328
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,360
they couldn't support the market rates.

2329
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,120
I mean the market rates would be too

2330
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,639
high. So it it's it was very welcome

2331
01:34:20,639 --> 01:34:22,239
would be the other thing because of

2332
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:25,600
that. And then way back when and I'm not

2333
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,360
I wasn't around when it was developed.

2334
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:31,360
Puffton Village is a place that was

2335
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,600
developed. There was a lot of community

2336
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,400
input way back when and it's a beautiful

2337
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:41,760
layout on um quite dense all low you

2338
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,560
know not tall buildings but there's a

2339
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,760
lot of shared outdoor space and whoever

2340
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,800
came up with those concepts um did a

2341
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,920
good job of blending it in in a

2342
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,600
different way than some of the other big

2343
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,760
buildings that have come in. So looking

2344
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,159
into the Puffton history and how much

2345
01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:02,159
community involvement and how much that

2346
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:04,960
was just the developers already knew

2347
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,199
that's where they wanted to go.

2348
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:10,639
>> Thank you councelor Mloud.

2349
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:15,280
>> Uh thank you. uh regarding outreach

2350
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,159
uh thought enter do we have an online

2351
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:21,120
questionnaire that could be forwarded to

2352
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:24,080
you know constituents or others about

2353
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:26,080
here are questions we might have

2354
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,280
regarding uh what you think about

2355
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,280
Hampshire

2356
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:38,000
avenue I think schools is probably the best uh location we used to use them

2357
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,400
with our soccer league and other sports

2358
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,880
leagues And it was always extremely

2359
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,239
effective. Of course, it was youth

2360
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:48,000
sports, but um you know, the schools are

2361
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,880
great, but online forms of information

2362
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,360
requests, not just for the counselors,

2363
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,639
but that could be sent out in general

2364
01:35:56,639 --> 01:35:59,840
for the purpose of brainstorming, uh

2365
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:01,360
could be effective.

2366
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,000
>> Thank you, councelor Breick.

2367
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,000
Yeah, I just wanted to add um as

2368
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,080
counselors, we're all required to hold

2369
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,480
two district meetings per year and that

2370
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:13,600
could be a good setting. They're sort of

2371
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,960
focus groups in themselves. Um you know,

2372
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:18,719
people handle them different ways, but I

2373
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:20,480
think that could be a good opportunity

2374
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:22,159
if we all wanted to think about how we

2375
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:25,280
could use um use our district meetings

2376
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,600
to get feedback or partner with you guys

2377
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,679
to, you know, have a presentation or

2378
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:31,920
something like that. Thank you,

2379
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,040
Councelor Churchill.

2380
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,600
>> Councelor Breivik, be me to it. I think

2381
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,320
that we you have third you have 10

2382
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,880
district uh reps who all are going to

2383
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,800
have district meetings and they have

2384
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,000
their lists of of constituents and the

2385
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,400
atlarge folks can come to those too. So,

2386
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,760
um use us to generate put put the burden

2387
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,960
on us to generate the the audience

2388
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,600
>> in part.

2389
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,400
Thank you. I wanted to touch back on the

2390
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,480
concept of workforce housing and just

2391
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:06,239
comment that workforce housing isn't

2392
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,800
just about existing workers. Um it's not

2393
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,480
like a mass migration would happen,

2394
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:13,440
right? Uh this is we know that the

2395
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:16,400
institutions in the area are struggling

2396
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,800
with their staff and faculty like

2397
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,400
filling positions because there isn't a

2398
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,880
place for folks to move to. So I just

2399
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,719
and we hear it from our own employees,

2400
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:26,320
right? that they'd love to live in

2401
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,719
Ammerst and we're not I don't think that

2402
01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:30,639
it's realistic to suggest that anyone

2403
01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:33,360
would up and leave their current home um

2404
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:34,880
if especially if they are have a home

2405
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,840
ownership opportunity currently but our

2406
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,080
community is constantly shifting because

2407
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,560
of the industries in our town. So we see

2408
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,800
new people coming in and it would be

2409
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,960
interesting if you had uh conversations

2410
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,560
with folks at the college and the

2411
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,080
university about what they're seeing for

2412
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,159
from a hiring perspective in terms of

2413
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:54,480
folks coming in needing housing. um

2414
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:56,159
because I think that that is a

2415
01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:58,239
challenge. Uh I anticipate that will be

2416
01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:00,080
a challenge you hear about. And then I

2417
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,159
just wanted to um Kathy was talking

2418
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:04,080
about different models. I I also think

2419
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:05,840
the housing co-ops have been really

2420
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,000
interesting um to see how those have

2421
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,960
functioned in our town and elsewhere. Um

2422
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:14,400
and then just both jar on the the point

2423
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,400
about district meetings and utilizing us

2424
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,040
as communication vehicles.

2425
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,760
>> Thank you councelor Tom.

2426
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,760
>> Yes. Again, picking up on district

2427
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,280
mailing lists, if um I think it was Andy

2428
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,880
who suggested no Sam of having um if

2429
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,400
there was a questionnaire that could be

2430
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,080
distributed directly to residents

2431
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,600
because if there is, that's also

2432
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,520
something we can send out to our

2433
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,600
district mailing lists. And I think when

2434
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,560
you put all of us together, it gets to

2435
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:44,880
be in the thousands of recipients on

2436
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:46,880
those lists. And I just this is kind of

2437
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:52,159
a question when you um do a when you try

2438
01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:54,239
and determine what the demand is for

2439
01:38:54,239 --> 01:38:57,920
housing in Ammerst, does that also get

2440
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:02,080
to you know um workers in Ammerst

2441
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,320
currently and in the future that would

2442
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,080
want to live live here? I guess I'm kind

2443
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:08,560
of wondering how you do that

2444
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,320
kind of research to get a handle on

2445
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,639
that. You don't have to answer it now,

2446
01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:15,520
but um you know because that that is a

2447
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,639
question we all want housing um and what

2448
01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:21,760
really is the demand for different kinds

2449
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,960
of housing in Ammerst.

2450
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,880
>> Thank you. Um Nate and Peter, any

2451
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,760
thoughts, questions, clarifying

2452
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,080
questions you'd like to ask before we

2453
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:49,030
move on?

2454
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,760
I think maybe one

2455
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,639
piece to hone in on here and and this

2456
01:39:54,639 --> 01:39:57,520
has been said a number of times is this

2457
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,679
the the

2458
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:01,520
natural like totally understandable

2459
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,520
trepidation about who buys this this

2460
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,800
land, right? So, um that is something

2461
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,280
the town nor the zoning, neither the

2462
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,000
town nor the zoning um you know

2463
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:15,600
ultimately decides. Um and so that is

2464
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:17,360
sort of like the the bottom line of

2465
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:21,360
that. Um but the zoning

2466
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:24,080
can will send a signal you know if if

2467
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,880
there is if if the land is not yet

2468
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,440
purchased uh once the zoning gets

2469
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:31,520
adopted the zoning sends a signal and

2470
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,679
those are important uh to future

2471
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:36,719
developers. So um you know I don't want

2472
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:39,840
to be sort of pie in the sky but it's

2473
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:41,520
but I will speak directly from my

2474
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,440
professional experience. There are a lot

2475
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,280
of developers out there who are really

2476
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,440
passionate about their work and who

2477
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:51,679
really have amazing portfolios and love

2478
01:40:51,679 --> 01:40:53,679
to build these communities. This is

2479
01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:56,320
their products. They they of course find

2480
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:00,400
it profitable. Um but it's not easy,

2481
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,320
right? This is somebody talked about

2482
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,239
sort of like token subdivisions. That's

2483
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:06,960
easy. That's an easy way to build

2484
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,679
housing and that's an easy way to make a

2485
01:41:09,679 --> 01:41:12,320
buck is to just do sort of standard

2486
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,840
subdivisions. So these developers are

2487
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,480
driven by profit but they're also driven

2488
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:21,600
by their own sort of personal vision of

2489
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,520
what they want to create. And so then

2490
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,159
you see that in their portfolio. So that

2491
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:29,119
is something that you know u can and

2492
01:41:29,119 --> 01:41:32,159
hopefully will like drive this when

2493
01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:34,239
there's a when there's a purchaser when

2494
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:35,360
there when there's somebody going

2495
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:39,679
forward. We cannot um even if you wanted

2496
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:42,400
to you could not zone out the

2497
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,960
possibility of a nonprofit

2498
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,440
uh educational institution purchasing

2499
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:48,880
you you know this right? I see a lot of

2500
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,360
nodding heads. So yes, a religious

2501
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,840
institution, an educational institution,

2502
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,080
no matter what we zone this property

2503
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,080
for, that is still on the table, right?

2504
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,480
Those are part of uh sort of statutory

2505
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:03,840
protections that those those uses have.

2506
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:05,920
And so that is that is part of this

2507
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,960
process that is that's part of the the

2508
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:10,639
consideration that you need to think

2509
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:13,920
about. Um but again, the zoning sends

2510
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,159
the signal um for something different.

2511
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:17,920
Right now, the zoning just says

2512
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,239
nonprofit educational institution. Uh,

2513
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:22,400
but new zoning, part of the reason why

2514
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,119
this is um we're trying to do this as

2515
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:27,679
efficiently as we can. Uh, while at the

2516
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:29,360
same time being comprehensive and

2517
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,600
thoughtful about this is that you want

2518
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,360
to send that signal and you want to get

2519
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:37,360
that out um, you know, expeditiously.

2520
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:51,669
Um,

2521
01:42:51,679 --> 01:42:53,600
I mean, for my part,

2522
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:55,760
>> um, you know, I think we have the same

2523
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:57,280
concerns as you do about the the

2524
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:58,880
marketability of this and, you know, if

2525
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:00,800
we build if you build it, if you zone

2526
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:04,639
it, will they come? Um,

2527
01:43:04,639 --> 01:43:07,040
I think that the good news, my

2528
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,119
observation is this is a really unusual

2529
01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:12,239
site as you know. Not just is it a

2530
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:15,280
credible spot in the planet to live and

2531
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:19,679
work uh if you can uh but also it's

2532
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:23,199
already got roads, parking lots, water

2533
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:27,040
and sewer, and lots of vacant space. You

2534
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:28,800
don't have to tear anything down to

2535
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:30,800
start building a lot of stuff if that's

2536
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:32,480
what you want to do.

2537
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:34,880
Um, I mean there's that 200 acres does

2538
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:36,639
include the existing campus, but there's

2539
01:43:36,639 --> 01:43:40,320
also acres and acres of just empty land

2540
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,600
and a lot of it's just lawn, right? It's

2541
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,000
not being farmed right now. There is

2542
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,400
huge opportunities there right now with

2543
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:51,280
water and sewer and space and the

2544
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:52,880
location.

2545
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,679
So I think like Nate, I've been spending

2546
01:43:55,679 --> 01:43:57,520
some decades looking at how development

2547
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,199
happens and seeing what happens and how

2548
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:01,760
we how it shapes our towns. So this

2549
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,000
really seems like an unusual really

2550
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,960
unique opportunity. Uh and I'm hoping

2551
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:09,199
that it could be something really great.

2552
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:12,400
U but it's great to hear because these

2553
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,080
concerns are then we're going to take

2554
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:15,840
them back and talk to you three and

2555
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:17,280
figure out how do we really get a handle

2556
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,840
on this? How do we know and when will we

2557
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,560
know it? and is it possible to know it?

2558
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,239
And then we'll come back to you and give

2559
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:27,040
you the answers hopefully.

2560
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,679
>> Thank you, Nate.

2561
01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:31,199
>> Yeah, I think another thing that I

2562
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:32,880
wanted to speak to, it came up I think

2563
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,280
with three three different members here.

2564
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,520
Um had to do with the financial

2565
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,480
modeling. I think councelor Brevik, you

2566
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:41,920
started off and asking sort of like what

2567
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:43,280
does this look like? How is this being

2568
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:46,400
calculated? Um, Council Shane, you know,

2569
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:49,119
I think you you made the uh the comment

2570
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:50,719
about the net revenue and council

2571
01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:52,239
method. This is this has been a

2572
01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:54,320
recurring, you know, theme from you

2573
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,760
concern and I guess at the risk of

2574
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,760
punting, um, this is one of the reasons

2575
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:01,280
why we have an expert on our team who

2576
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,440
has not been. Uh, so we have U3

2577
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:06,480
advisors. Um, and we we did bring

2578
01:45:06,480 --> 01:45:09,520
someone in who is very adept at

2579
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:11,600
financial real estate modeling. So, this

2580
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,239
will be a modeled exercise. Um there

2581
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:15,920
will be assumptions baked into this

2582
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,400
because we're not dealing with actual

2583
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,080
development proposals. We're dealing

2584
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,320
with different development scenarios. Uh

2585
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:23,920
but we will, you know, we will do

2586
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,320
ballpark estimates of square footage. We

2587
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,400
will do ballpark estimates of um uh

2588
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,280
generated uh students. We will do

2589
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,119
ballpark estimates. We'll be looking at

2590
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:38,400
sort of like fees versus um flows, you

2591
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,040
know, in terms of uh infrastructure and

2592
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,920
those things. Um so yeah that that is

2593
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,119
all uh baked into this. You know my

2594
01:45:47,119 --> 01:45:49,040
colleague John Tremense would be able to

2595
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,840
answer this much better uh than I but um

2596
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:53,679
you know you'll see those we'll be very

2597
01:45:53,679 --> 01:45:55,520
transparent about it you know once we

2598
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,679
start testing those scenarios uh as as

2599
01:45:57,679 --> 01:45:58,960
they come through.

2600
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,400
>> Excellent Jeeoff.

2601
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,639
>> So again I really want to thank everyone

2602
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:05,840
for this opportunity. I think it's been

2603
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,000
very informative heard so much and I

2604
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,280
think we heard a lot on the public

2605
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,199
process. though that's being heard and

2606
01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:14,639
listened to. I do want to say a couple

2607
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:16,159
words I, you know, that haven't been

2608
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:17,600
said yet. There's going to need to be

2609
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,040
tradeoffs and there's going to need to

2610
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:22,880
be balancing as we move forward. Um,

2611
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:25,280
because we can get a lot of public

2612
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,040
input. It's super valuable, but when it

2613
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:28,960
comes down to zoning, there are going to

2614
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,360
be a limited number of tools. At the end

2615
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:32,400
of the day, it's going to be limited

2616
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,639
what we can do through zoning. So, I do

2617
01:46:34,639 --> 01:46:36,159
want to just make the statement to the

2618
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:38,880
council that when the time comes to go

2619
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,800
through the zoning and and talk about

2620
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:42,800
adoption, just do not lose the forest

2621
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:44,400
for the trees. The opportunity that the

2622
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,040
town has will be to create zoning that

2623
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,560
allows these opportunities to happen.

2624
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,239
But if we don't get through that

2625
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:51,600
process, we will not have the

2626
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:54,159
opportunity. So, when the time comes,

2627
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:56,400
January, February, March, you know, just

2628
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:58,560
keep keep that in mind that this is the

2629
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,000
opportunity and this is the time that we

2630
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,159
need to do something. what I heard and I

2631
01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:03,760
don't want to anchor it too hard on the

2632
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:06,480
master plan concept but there's a part

2633
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:07,920
of the public process that would happen

2634
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,639
now to frame the zoning and if we do

2635
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:11,679
this correctly there might be an

2636
01:47:11,679 --> 01:47:12,960
opportunity through the when there's an

2637
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,199
actual master plan being developed or

2638
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:16,560
proposed there could be additional

2639
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,480
public input because that's when they're

2640
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:20,560
actually going to have realistic

2641
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,719
tangible things that would be proposed

2642
01:47:22,719 --> 01:47:25,040
versus the conceptual zoning efforts.

2643
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:26,719
So, at a certain point, we might need to

2644
01:47:26,719 --> 01:47:29,119
balance the the need for public input

2645
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:31,280
with passing zoning, understanding that

2646
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:35,360
there would be a full process that would follow from that. So, we're not

2647
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,040
there yet. I'm just trying to speak

2648
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:38,960
professionally that at a certain point,

2649
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,040
you know, we will need to talk about

2650
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:42,719
adopting something that allows the

2651
01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:44,159
opportunities to move forward and

2652
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:47,440
happen. Um, so, um, that was what I

2653
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:48,719
wanted to say.

2654
01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:49,760
>> Okay,

2655
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,520
>> that raised a couple of extra hands on

2656
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:53,679
the council. Um we are approaching our

2657
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:55,199
45minut

2658
01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:58,960
um goal on this topic or this prompt. Um

2659
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,880
but there are four hands raised. I

2660
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:02,639
encourage each of the four that I'm

2661
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:05,760
going to recognize to be quick um in

2662
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,360
your comments and concise in your

2663
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:08,719
comments because we're going to then

2664
01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:11,760
move on after those four to the third

2665
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:16,310
prompt. We start with councelor Rooney.

2666
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:18,800
» Thank you.

2667
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,480
uh considering a lot of it is

2668
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:23,199
residential outlying residential low

2669
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:30,239
density and I just wanted to confirm for us and

2670
01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:35,199
for the public that right now

2671
01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:39,600
and understand it correctly all of

2672
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:42,880
is currently not taxable.

2673
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:47,199
So both O RLD and not taxable

2674
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:50,880
would applying just about any zoning

2675
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:52,639
type

2676
01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:56,870
besid

2677
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:02,310
with that

2678
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:06,320
I'm trying to frame this um we should

2679
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:11,360
probably we don't want a large scale

2680
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,470
institution

2681
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:18,800
We probably want to lift and remove the

2682
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:23,840
ED zoning. Is that correct?

2683
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,600
>> Thank you for that question. Um, we're

2684
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,560
going to move on to Councelor Mloud.

2685
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:31,760
>> Thank you, Mandy. Uh, following up on a

2686
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,400
comment or question that, uh, Andy had

2687
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,880
previously, uh, Hampshire owns the

2688
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:38,719
property now. They're in control of what

2689
01:49:38,719 --> 01:49:41,280
happens to it. They've set their own

2690
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,440
expected time frame of closing come

2691
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:47,440
December. Uh our planning department has

2692
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:50,800
set an a time frame which I agree with

2693
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:52,719
for proactively

2694
01:49:52,719 --> 01:49:54,880
uh engaging and trying to be ready when

2695
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:57,440
the time comes.

2696
01:49:57,440 --> 01:49:59,199
But I didn't hear an answer to Andy's

2697
01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:01,040
question previously, which is currently

2698
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:04,800
it's Hampshire Collegeowned. It's mostly

2699
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,716
educational in the primary area. At

2700
01:50:07,716 --> 01:50:08,880
[clears throat] what point could the

2701
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:12,880
town make changes to zoning proactively

2702
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:16,159
if they wished? Must that wait until

2703
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:18,719
Hampshire officially closes? Doesn't

2704
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:20,480
change our process, but I'm just

2705
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:23,360
curious.

2706
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:24,560
>> Jeff,

2707
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,560
>> if I understood the question correctly,

2708
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:29,199
we do not need to wait for anything to

2709
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:31,040
change the zoning.

2710
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:31,520
>> Thank you.

2711
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,560
Um, councelor Greimer,

2712
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:36,239
>> the only thing I want you to be clear

2713
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:39,280
about, Sam, is that um, even if we zone

2714
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,360
it something else, education can still

2715
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:41,920
come in.

2716
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:42,480
>> I understand.

2717
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:45,199
>> They have a right. And so that's not my

2718
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:49,119
point. Um, my um, I want to just ask

2719
01:50:49,119 --> 01:50:50,639
Jeff, when are we going to start the

2720
01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:52,719
master plan process in relationship to

2721
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:57,440
this? Because it seems like it's almost

2722
01:50:57,440 --> 01:50:58,320
>> a possible.

2723
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:01,679
>> You're asking about the the Ammeris.

2724
01:51:01,679 --> 01:51:03,119
master plan process.

2725
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:05,440
>> 20 years out soon,

2726
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:05,920
>> right,

2727
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,320
>> Jeff?

2728
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:09,520
>> I'm not really prepared to answer. I

2729
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:11,280
think it was 2030 was the timeline.

2730
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:13,040
>> 2030 is when we have to adopt something

2731
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:16,000
new. That's in three and a half years.

2732
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,400
Um, councelor Brevik,

2733
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,159
>> really quick comment that I I love that

2734
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:21,520
there'll be another opportunity for

2735
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:23,440
people to give input once the master

2736
01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:25,520
plan is taken more shape, but I think

2737
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,840
that is even more of a reason to focus

2738
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,560
on getting early input. I know just from

2739
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:32,159
experience that I think if we come to

2740
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:33,440
people with a plan that's already

2741
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:34,960
formulated,

2742
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,520
they don't it doesn't usually go over

2743
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,520
that well. I think we can set

2744
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:41,840
expectations successfully

2745
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:43,360
and make sure that people understand

2746
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,440
that the early preliminary input is what

2747
01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:47,040
that is what it is. It's preliminary

2748
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:49,760
input taken in with a lot of different

2749
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:53,360
factors. But I do think that that first

2750
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:55,520
step is is hugely important in people

2751
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:56,880
feeling like we don't just come to them

2752
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,840
after something is 99% done.

2753
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:01,760
>> Thank you. We are going to move on to

2754
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:05,040
the third prompt. Um the third prompt is

2755
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:07,920
and again it will be a quick round robin

2756
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,199
again and there won't be much

2757
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:13,280
conversation after the roundroin. Um,

2758
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:15,520
looking ahead 20 years, what outcomes

2759
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:17,920
would lead you to consider the reuse of

2760
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,320
Hampshire College a success? And what

2761
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,199
outcomes comes would you regard as signs

2762
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:26,000
that the town made the wrong decisions?

2763
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:30,950
We start with councelor Ryan.

2764
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:32,560
I've already spoken to this I think in a

2765
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:33,840
way and I'm going to pick up on

2766
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:37,119
something that Andy said earlier um in

2767
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:39,599
terms of what would be my nightmare

2768
01:52:39,599 --> 01:52:42,639
vision would be a sterile subdivision

2769
01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:46,239
would be um that would be a disaster in

2770
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:49,440
my view. Um, I think also anything that

2771
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:51,760
would fail, so you could flip this the

2772
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,080
other way, I guess, in 20 years,

2773
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,159
something that somehow captured or

2774
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:57,679
preserved

2775
01:52:57,679 --> 01:52:59,760
something that was unique or special to

2776
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,920
Hampshire, which was its vision, its

2777
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,239
educational goal. If it could come up

2778
01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:06,960
with something that would both combine a

2779
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,199
vision of lifelong learning with some of

2780
01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:11,760
our housing and economic goals, that

2781
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:15,040
would be to me um a success. that that

2782
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:17,599
something of what Hampshire set out to

2783
01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:20,560
do is still preserved um and yet at the

2784
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:23,119
same time is providing the kinds of

2785
01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:26,320
economic and housing goals that we are

2786
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:29,199
eager to to realize. That I guess would

2787
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:33,199
be my 20-year vision of success and

2788
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:35,119
you've already heard my 20-year vision

2789
01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:37,520
of failure which I stole from councelor

2790
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:38,320
Churchill.

2791
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:43,669
>> Thank you councelor Lord.

2792
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:50,000
Thank you. I believe we will have made the wrong decision if

2793
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,480
the Hampshire property becomes

2794
01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:55,119
economically successful. Not saying I

2795
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:57,119
don't want it to be, but economically

2796
01:53:57,119 --> 01:53:58,960
successful while Ammeris becomes less

2797
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,520
affordable, less diverse, less

2798
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:03,520
connected, and loses natural resources

2799
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:06,080
that can never be recovered.

2800
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,239
20 years from now, I would consider the

2801
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:13,840
reuse of Hampshire College a success. If it has created a genuinely mixed

2802
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,880
income and multi-generational community,

2803
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:18,560
expanded housing and economic

2804
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,760
opportunity, preserved significant

2805
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,880
farmland, forest, open space,

2806
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,440
provided places for wellness, culture,

2807
01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:30,159
recreation, education, and community

2808
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:32,960
life, and strengthened Ammeris racial

2809
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:35,360
and economic diversity. I'd want

2810
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:37,520
residents to feel that this land became

2811
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:39,760
more, not less, connected to the broader

2812
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:42,400
Ammeris community. And most importantly,

2813
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:44,080
I would want us to be able to say that

2814
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:46,639
we did not simply develop land, but we

2815
01:54:46,639 --> 01:54:50,080
created community that would give to the

2816
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:52,639
public good for generations to come. I'm

2817
01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:55,520
not asking too much now. Thank you.

2818
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,280
>> Thank you, Councelor Lord. Councelor

2819
01:54:57,280 --> 01:55:00,159
Shane

2820
01:55:00,159 --> 01:55:05,440
>> uh success would be uh we have a vibrant

2821
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,480
community with uh what we've all talked

2822
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:11,280
about a mix which has succeeded in

2823
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:14,000
preserving a lot of community space. Um

2824
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,480
and I totally agree with what uh

2825
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:18,400
councelor Hani said earlier. We don't

2826
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:22,639
need to preserve more

2827
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:26,239
uh wetlands and things. this is at least

2828
01:55:26,239 --> 01:55:31,440
using that 200 acres well um and uh it's

2829
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:35,520
paying taxes. A failure would be we have

2830
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:37,840
a lot of dense housing with no sense of

2831
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,960
community. We've lost community spaces

2832
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:43,280
and we underestimated the cost to our

2833
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:45,760
infrastructure. Um the sewer system

2834
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:48,080
doesn't work very well. The waterways

2835
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:52,960
don't work very well. Um, we we lost we

2836
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:55,119
have an overdeveloped

2837
01:55:55,119 --> 01:55:58,400
200 acre lot because we didn't think of

2838
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,800
what could happen um if you just opened

2839
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,480
up that space.

2840
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:04,880
>> Thank you, Councelor Mloud.

2841
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:07,199
>> Uh, thank you. I kind of like what

2842
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:10,320
councelor Lord said, but uh she might

2843
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:12,239
have had more than three in there. Uh, I

2844
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:14,719
would say how would I view it a success

2845
01:56:14,719 --> 01:56:16,239
down the road without getting into

2846
01:56:16,239 --> 01:56:18,880
details? I'd say happy residents in

2847
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:21,119
Amoris regarding the outcome, whatever

2848
01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:23,760
that might be. Uh for me, I would

2849
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:26,159
indicate mixed housing availability that

2850
01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:27,920
uh works well for those who are living

2851
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:34,000
there. Uh and an improved financial

2852
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:36,239
contributing to improvements in the town

2853
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:38,000
financial situation.

2854
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:42,709
>> Thank you, Councelor Tub.

2855
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:44,960
I'm feeling uh repetitious, but I would

2856
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:48,239
say um I would consider it a success if

2857
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:50,560
it, you know, was a mixed income and

2858
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:53,679
multi-generational community that

2859
01:56:53,679 --> 01:56:55,520
provided a variety of housing

2860
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:58,639
opportunities, both home ownership and

2861
01:56:58,639 --> 01:57:01,840
uh rental, and that had educational

2862
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:04,080
offerings, many of which have been part

2863
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:06,480
of the Hampshire College community, as

2864
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:08,719
well as small businesses that serve the

2865
01:57:08,719 --> 01:57:11,760
diverse residents who would live in the

2866
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:15,119
new community as well as others in

2867
01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:18,400
Ammerst and surrounding towns.

2868
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:22,639
And yeah, I would consider it um not a

2869
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:26,800
success if I would um you know uh

2870
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:30,960
restate the sterile subdivision or

2871
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,679
if it didn't really get developed at

2872
01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:35,760
all.

2873
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:38,639
>> Thank you, Councelor Walker.

2874
01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:41,199
Um, thank you. I think a lot of folks

2875
01:57:41,199 --> 01:57:43,040
have said what I would say and I think

2876
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:46,480
counselor Lords was wonderful. Um, I

2877
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:49,920
think overall it would be community

2878
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,880
satisfaction. So like this idea of

2879
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,480
continuing to get input from the

2880
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:57,119
community. Um, I would like it to be a

2881
01:57:57,119 --> 01:57:59,520
place where the commu the folks who live

2882
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:00,800
there feel like the community is

2883
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:02,960
thriving. They're utilizing the land in

2884
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:05,119
the facility. Folks feel happy. they

2885
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:07,119
have access to basic needs, food,

2886
01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:10,320
recreation. Hopefully, um the PBTA

2887
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:15,280
system um will have more uh bus takers

2888
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:17,119
and bikers

2889
01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:19,119
um and just a place where we can foster

2890
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:21,760
diversity and more community connection.

2891
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:24,480
Um increased housing opportunities,

2892
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:27,119
increased revenue for the town. Um, I

2893
01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:29,119
think some failures, some things that

2894
01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:30,480
would make me think it was a failure

2895
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:32,400
would be if the apartments or housing

2896
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:35,280
opportunities um, drive up other rental

2897
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,360
costs in town and then all rental

2898
01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:39,520
housing is just really high. Um, loss of

2899
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:42,560
natural resources um, and then if it

2900
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:45,119
were bought by a religious or

2901
01:58:45,119 --> 01:58:47,119
educational institution and we lost

2902
01:58:47,119 --> 01:58:51,119
access for local residents or the owners

2903
01:58:51,119 --> 01:58:54,400
don't maintain the space.

2904
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:57,840
Thank you, councelor Brevik.

2905
01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:59,599
>> Yeah, I think to the second part of this

2906
01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:01,040
is, you know, how would we know we made

2907
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:02,560
the wrong decision? I think I'll just

2908
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:04,080
echo what everybody I'll quickly echo

2909
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:05,360
what everybody else has said. I really

2910
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,119
don't want to see it become a dead

2911
01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:10,000
space, a vacant space. Um, you know,

2912
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:11,920
don't want some kind of cult walking

2913
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:14,880
around like I think a data center, all

2914
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:16,880
those things. But I think really I just

2915
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:19,040
I want it to not be something that

2916
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:20,960
people drive through to get to the next

2917
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:22,239
place, but that it's something that

2918
01:59:22,239 --> 01:59:24,880
draws people into town. Um, and I think

2919
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:26,159
that's how we'll know is that people are

2920
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:31,119
coming here for whatever is there and then frequenting our other

2921
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:32,800
businesses in town and other parts of

2922
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:34,719
town and and kind of that it's a

2923
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:36,560
something that is driving that e

2924
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:39,280
economic prosperity throughout Ammerst.

2925
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:41,199
Um, and then you know, how will we know

2926
01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:42,960
it's a success? I think we'll have fully

2927
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:45,199
funded schools and our roads will all be

2928
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:46,960
paved and we'll have a youth empowerment

2929
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:48,239
center and we'll have all of these

2930
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:50,400
things that we know the majority of our

2931
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,639
residents want and we are struggling

2932
01:59:52,639 --> 01:59:54,800
tremendously to get to achieve those

2933
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:58,480
things I think but really you know it at

2934
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:01,360
the same time that it leads to Ammeris

2935
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:04,400
being a a more diverse population

2936
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,480
uh and a place that is known as

2937
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,639
affordable, beautiful and supportive and

2938
02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:10,320
just a good place to live and work and

2939
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:13,040
that becomes our legacy. See, thank you,

2940
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:18,550
Council Churchill.

2941
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:21,679
» I I was um really happy to see Village

2942
02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:23,840
Hill listed as one of the examples

2943
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:26,800
because I think that's actually a an

2944
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:29,599
example nearby that has actually been

2945
02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:31,440
able to create a variety of housing

2946
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:34,239
types, a variety of housing levels. It's

2947
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:38,320
uh seems to be thriving. Um,

2948
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:43,119
and so that that was uh I guess that's

2949
02:00:43,119 --> 02:00:45,920
kind of an example I had in my mind of

2950
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:49,840
what success would look like. Um,

2951
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:52,080
you know, I think basically what people

2952
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,080
have said, it's I'd want it to be a

2953
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:56,320
vibrant space. I'd want it to serve a

2954
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:58,080
variety of residents. I'd like it to

2955
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:00,560
generate a fair amount of tax revenue

2956
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:04,239
and um just that we take advantage of

2957
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:08,080
this unique opportunity to have

2958
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:10,800
uh actual developable space and that we

2959
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:14,320
do it well. Um what I I think pretty

2960
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:17,840
much we've heard I I would sign on to um

2961
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:19,599
Councelor Lord's comments as well. I

2962
02:01:19,599 --> 02:01:21,440
think she summed up the sort of vibrancy

2963
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,840
and the diversity and the sense of

2964
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:26,000
community both within it and connected

2965
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:27,599
to the broader community.

2966
02:01:27,599 --> 02:01:30,400
>> Thank you. Uh councelor Tob, did you

2967
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:33,679
have an issue with something

2968
02:01:33,679 --> 02:01:34,560
>> your hand just went up?

2969
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:36,239
>> Yeah. No, that's mistake. [laughter]

2970
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:39,280
>> Okay. I just wanted to check

2971
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:40,880
in terms of if you were having a problem

2972
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:42,320
hearing or anything. Okay. Councelor

2973
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:44,880
Rooney.

2974
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:47,760
Um success in my mind would be a very

2975
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:50,000
strong vibrant neighborhood or

2976
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:52,000
neighborhoods depending how it's laid

2977
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:56,480
out. Um with uh organized around shared

2978
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:59,920
outdoor spaces and corridors uh with

2979
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:02,960
cultural and workspaces provided that

2980
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:06,239
really uh knit the community together.

2981
02:02:06,239 --> 02:02:10,239
Um failure is a place with dilapidated

2982
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:14,400
buildings and and unutilized

2983
02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:18,480
and untaxable land. Thank you.

2984
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:22,239
>> Thank you. Um I'm next on the list

2985
02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:23,920
about basically what everyone else has

2986
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:25,679
said about success, a vibrant village

2987
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:28,239
center supporting all ages and incomes

2988
02:02:28,239 --> 02:02:30,719
of residents. I want to see walkable

2989
02:02:30,719 --> 02:02:32,080
business and commercial needs and

2990
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:35,440
amenities in in that area and public

2991
02:02:35,440 --> 02:02:37,520
recreational opportunities. If it's got

2992
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:40,239
all of that, I'll see it as a success.

2993
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:43,040
Um, a failure, if you want to call it

2994
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:45,679
that or the wrong decision, um,

2995
02:02:45,679 --> 02:02:48,239
undeveloped at all. Um, we went through

2996
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:50,719
the process. We had a vision and nothing

2997
02:02:50,719 --> 02:02:53,119
happened for whatever reason. Nothing

2998
02:02:53,119 --> 02:02:57,119
happened. um or um sort of what other

2999
02:02:57,119 --> 02:02:59,040
people have said, the sterile non-com

3000
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:01,760
community, sort of nonvibrant community,

3001
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:04,000
lots of housing but nothing else and not

3002
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,800
walkable and not not responding to the

3003
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:08,880
environment and things like that. Uh

3004
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,280
councelor Greimer,

3005
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:13,119
>> I'm not going to repeat any of them.

3006
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:15,199
What I'm hoping is 20 years from now

3007
02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:17,119
some consultant is sitting somewhere and

3008
02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:20,480
using us as the best example.

3009
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:24,880
Thanks, Councelor Keno Martin.

3010
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:26,480
Yeah, I mean I think some of the, you

3011
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:28,480
know, more quantitative indicators of

3012
02:03:28,480 --> 02:03:30,159
success would be, you know, we would

3013
02:03:30,159 --> 02:03:31,760
actually see that we're not struggling

3014
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:34,239
as much as a town in terms of our um our

3015
02:03:34,239 --> 02:03:36,239
tax revenue and that we're able to

3016
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:38,159
provide, you know, the the services that

3017
02:03:38,159 --> 02:03:41,199
we want to provide to our community and the infrastructure that we want to

3018
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:43,520
provide. Um and then of course we would

3019
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:45,040
see, you know, in these housing studies,

3020
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:46,480
we wouldn't see, you know, so much

3021
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:48,320
discrepancy of like people who are, you

3022
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:50,480
know, um costburdened or extremely cost

3023
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:52,080
burdened in their housing costs. And we

3024
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:53,760
would also see maybe we buck the trend

3025
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:55,599
and you know our community's population

3026
02:03:55,599 --> 02:03:57,280
is increasing right while others are

3027
02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:59,599
maybe going down. Um you know because

3028
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:01,040
it's a very livable town and people want

3029
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:03,520
to come here. Um and then some of the

3030
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,360
things that I think are you know um more

3031
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:07,280
quantitative or qualitative I would say

3032
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:08,480
you know is definitely some of the

3033
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:09,920
things that counselor Lord was raising

3034
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:11,840
up right like it's the diversity it's

3035
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:13,599
the vibrant community. it's, you know,

3036
02:04:13,599 --> 02:04:16,560
increasing, you know, that that sort of

3037
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:19,199
um presence in our town and and that

3038
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:22,159
sort of um you know, vibrancy. And also,

3039
02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:24,080
um one thing that I think is is really

3040
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:25,840
important and I I would love to see us

3041
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:27,840
get this right is that we have new

3042
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,400
development, but it's also like

3043
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:32,080
environmentally friendly development.

3044
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:34,159
Like we're not like destroying buildings

3045
02:04:34,159 --> 02:04:35,679
that could still be used to make

3046
02:04:35,679 --> 02:04:37,920
something new. And you know, we're not

3047
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:40,239
like taking over land that's farmland or

3048
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:42,000
conservation land to create what we want

3049
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:44,080
to create. we we're not destroying those

3050
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:46,159
things in order to create and I think

3051
02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:47,360
that you know and that we're building

3052
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:48,880
things that are up to the absolute best

3053
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:50,719
standards of like green energy and and

3054
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:52,400
you know being net zero or as close to

3055
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:54,960
net zero as possible um because I think

3056
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:57,360
Ammerst as a town like we have that

3057
02:04:57,360 --> 02:04:59,040
ability in us like we have we value

3058
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:00,320
those things we've shown that we value

3059
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:02,000
those things and this is our chance to

3060
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:03,760
like put that into practice and put it

3061
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:05,360
in action you know can we do it with

3062
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:06,960
this big piece of land given the

3063
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:09,040
opportunity and balance all of those

3064
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:13,040
things um so yeah I mean I I think that

3065
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:15,760
would be a success and I think the you

3066
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:17,760
know not success would either be the

3067
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:19,599
property is vacant and nothing is done

3068
02:05:19,599 --> 02:05:23,040
with it and another to me not success

3069
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:24,719
would be we get a lot of really

3070
02:05:24,719 --> 02:05:26,320
expensive housing and the community

3071
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:28,320
becomes even less affordable and that's

3072
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:29,760
really scary to me and I think it's

3073
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:31,920
always a risk. So

3074
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,480
>> thank you councelor Devon Gier.

3075
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:36,480
>> All right I'm going to start with the

3076
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:38,960
Gary situation first. Um, echoing a lot

3077
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:43,360
of what folks said, uh, large huge box

3078
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:45,440
boxy buildings that only hold one thing

3079
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:47,040
or the other, right? So, they're only

3080
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:48,880
apartments and that's all that's on the

3081
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:52,080
space or only some big box situation and

3082
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:53,760
that's all that's there. Um, kind of

3083
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:57,920
that cookie cutter idea. Uh, I the loss

3084
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:00,560
of natural space and pushing or constant

3085
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:02,880
pushing on our bylaws that exist to

3086
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:04,719
protect natural space is a concern to

3087
02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:07,920
me. I I think that it's important to me

3088
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:10,639
that you all understand we are not all

3089
02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:13,679
aligned fully on how much natural space

3090
02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:15,760
should stay or go. Um I think you've

3091
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:17,599
heard some some folks speaking strongly

3092
02:06:17,599 --> 02:06:20,000
in support of get rid of whatever you

3093
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:22,000
need to get rid and maybe I'm being

3094
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:24,800
hyperbolic but uh you know don't concern

3095
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:26,400
yourself with that preservation so much

3096
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:28,639
as concern yourself with housing. And I

3097
02:06:28,639 --> 02:06:30,320
hope that you are also hearing some of

3098
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:32,480
us saying we would like you to continue

3099
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:34,000
to concern yourself with the the

3100
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:36,239
preservation of that natural space. So

3101
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:38,000
my ideal situation because that's more

3102
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,280
fun to think about is um a essentially a

3103
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:44,000
micro village center on an environment

3104
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,000
which recognizes the value of that

3105
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:47,920
natural space to the success of the

3106
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:51,360
community that's on it. Um, I want to

3107
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:54,480
see a this is a huge test of our

3108
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:57,520
relatively still new often stretch

3109
02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:59,040
energy code, right? This is the

3110
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:00,239
potential for a lot of new buildings

3111
02:07:00,239 --> 02:07:03,920
that would be more sustainable than

3112
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:06,000
construction we've seen in in the past,

3113
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,800
which is really exciting to me. Um, and

3114
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:10,480
on that note, you know, I want to see

3115
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:12,719
school buses going down into that area

3116
02:07:12,719 --> 02:07:15,599
every day. I want to see PVTA needing to

3117
02:07:15,599 --> 02:07:20,800
expand their roots into there, not just keep up the existing one. Um,

3118
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:23,119
I'd love to see the the Red Barn still

3119
02:07:23,119 --> 02:07:24,960
hosting some sort of event or being

3120
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:27,440
utilized. Same with the Kern Center. Um,

3121
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:28,719
those are buildings that are incredible

3122
02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:30,800
and I'd love to see become something

3123
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:33,360
that fosters that that community in some

3124
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:35,679
way. Um,

3125
02:07:35,679 --> 02:07:38,880
same with the farm. I would the the

3126
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:40,400
weird niche thing that I would really

3127
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:42,159
love to see is I want to see CPA

3128
02:07:42,159 --> 02:07:44,000
applications coming from this area of

3129
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:46,079
town. I want to see people applying for

3130
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:48,480
funding to build new playgrounds and to

3131
02:07:48,480 --> 02:07:50,960
uh upkeep that natural space. I think

3132
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:52,719
for me that'll be a mark of success is

3133
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:54,880
when they need to when they're they're

3134
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:56,000
at a place where they're like, you know

3135
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:57,760
what, this is great. Let's continue it

3136
02:07:57,760 --> 02:07:59,920
with that continued funding through CPA.

3137
02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:01,440
That was just the random example that

3138
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:04,719
Chris, but uh it's true for me.

3139
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:06,960
>> Thank you. That was our 13th counselor

3140
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:09,119
on that prompt. I'm going to pass this

3141
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:13,840
on to the Nate and Peter and Jeff for

3142
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:16,880
anything you'd like to say now or

3143
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:18,719
conclude before we move on to public

3144
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:24,229
comment.

3145
02:08:24,239 --> 02:08:27,040
» I have nothing to add at this point.

3146
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:29,119
>> No, it's a lot. I mean, I I just really

3147
02:08:29,119 --> 02:08:32,079
appreciate some of the like some of the

3148
02:08:32,079 --> 02:08:34,000
language you use was very precise and

3149
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:36,320
very thoughtful like the the connection

3150
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:39,440
between the health of the land and the

3151
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:43,360
village that exists within it. The

3152
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:46,400
legacy of culture and learning combined

3153
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:52,560
with the um the issues around the the need for housing, the want the want

3154
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:55,360
for housing. Um so um just great stuff.

3155
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:58,790
Thank you for that.

3156
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:01,440
You're good. With that, we're going to

3157
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:03,920
thank you for showing up tonight. Um,

3158
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:05,280
we're going to have a public comment

3159
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:08,159
period. Um, and then I will finish with

3160
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:09,840
concluding marks after the public

3161
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:13,119
comment period. So, the the the inerson

3162
02:09:13,119 --> 02:09:14,560
ones will come up here. So, if you guys

3163
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:16,719
could move back to the seats just behind

3164
02:09:16,719 --> 02:09:18,960
us um behind you, that would be great

3165
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:21,199
because anyone that's here will comment

3166
02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:25,119
from there. Um, okay. We are moving on

3167
02:09:25,119 --> 02:09:28,400
to public comment.

3168
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:30,719
Anyone wishing to make public comment

3169
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:32,719
who is attending remotely, please raise

3170
02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:35,119
your hand in the Zoom application. If

3171
02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:36,560
you are present in the town room and

3172
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:37,840
have not signed up with the clerk,

3173
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:40,400
please do so now. Uh comments and

3174
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:42,960
questions on this particular topic can

3175
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:44,880
also be submitted at hampshireampus

3176
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:47,040
zoningstudy.com.

3177
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:48,800
Uh residents are welcome to make public

3178
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,159
comments on matters within our

3179
02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:51,679
jurisdiction. The council will not

3180
02:09:51,679 --> 02:09:53,679
engage in a dialogue or comment on a

3181
02:09:53,679 --> 02:09:55,119
matter raised during general public

3182
02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:56,639
comment. Public comments are not

3183
02:09:56,639 --> 02:09:58,079
reflective of the opinions of the

3184
02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:00,639
council. The first amendment broadly

3185
02:10:00,639 --> 02:10:02,320
protects individuals rights to address

3186
02:10:02,320 --> 02:10:04,320
the government, to speak, and to express

3187
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:05,840
themselves, including their right to

3188
02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:08,000
stay to say hateful and offensive

3189
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:10,480
things. I am generally unable to shut

3190
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:12,159
those commenters down under the first

3191
02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:14,960
amendment to the US Constitution, unless

3192
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:16,880
their level of speech falls within an

3193
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:18,880
exception articulated by the courts,

3194
02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:21,040
such as fighting words. true threats to

3195
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:23,520
a particular individual, harassment of a

3196
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:25,840
particular individual, or incitement of

3197
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:28,719
imminent lawless activity. If a question

3198
02:10:28,719 --> 02:10:30,480
exists as to whether a particular

3199
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:32,320
speaker is engaging in unprotected

3200
02:10:32,320 --> 02:10:34,960
speech, I must defer to the principle of

3201
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:38,560
freedom of speech.

3202
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:42,239
There are no hands raised on Zoom. Um,

3203
02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:43,920
and how many people in the town room?

3204
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:44,400
>> Just one.

3205
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:47,520
Um, so everyone I will give

3206
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:49,360
you three minutes since we expected a

3207
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:50,639
little more public comment and that's

3208
02:10:50,639 --> 02:10:52,320
why I had announced two, but I will move

3209
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:55,280
it up to three. Um, Athena,

3210
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:56,239
>> Vince O' Conor.

3211
02:10:56,239 --> 02:10:57,760
>> Vince, please come on up, state your

3212
02:10:57,760 --> 02:10:58,800
name and where you live and make your

3213
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:19,030
comment.

3214
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:20,639
Okay, I got this one.

3215
02:11:20,639 --> 02:11:22,079
>> No, now it's gone.

3216
02:11:22,079 --> 02:11:23,679
>> Um,

3217
02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:25,199
yeah.

3218
02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:39,030
So, thank you for the three minute.

3219
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:40,639
Vince, you just need to hold that button

3220
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:44,079
down so that the microphone stays on.

3221
02:11:44,079 --> 02:11:48,079
>> Yeah. Okay. I attended both open houses,

3222
02:11:48,079 --> 02:11:50,639
evenings for the Amethyst Brook uh

3223
02:11:50,639 --> 02:11:52,960
school openings

3224
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:55,520
um and providing transportation for two

3225
02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:58,400
separate families on each one on each

3226
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:02,719
night. On local radio, I heard only one

3227
02:12:02,719 --> 02:12:05,679
person speak about the school, the

3228
02:12:05,679 --> 02:12:08,000
person who had led the opposition to the

3229
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:11,830
Fort River site.

3230
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:14,960
Today for the fourth day of school,

3231
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:17,199
public school in Amoris, I drove an

3232
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:19,679
elementary school student to another

3233
02:12:19,679 --> 02:12:22,639
public school and was confronted

3234
02:12:22,639 --> 02:12:24,880
by the possibility that what is

3235
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:26,800
apparently happening in Stanford,

3236
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:28,719
Connecticut,

3237
02:12:28,719 --> 02:12:30,960
um where parents drop their children off

3238
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:34,639
and then they are being seized by ICE

3239
02:12:34,639 --> 02:12:38,320
and Border Patrol operatives.

3240
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:41,280
um that

3241
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:44,079
those of us who who do drop children off

3242
02:12:44,079 --> 02:12:47,280
will be confronted with the possibility

3243
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:50,400
that we will be witnessing

3244
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:53,119
these individuals

3245
02:12:53,119 --> 02:12:56,800
uh perhaps sees not only parents but

3246
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:58,320
children.

3247
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:01,840
uh and I do happen to know fam blended

3248
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:05,679
families who attend that school

3249
02:13:05,679 --> 02:13:07,760
and I know that there are children who

3250
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:10,000
are US citizens

3251
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:13,679
who could be grabbed. And my concern

3252
02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:16,960
about all of these guidelines for

3253
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:20,159
schools from the state and from the town

3254
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:22,400
manager

3255
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:24,960
ignore the fact

3256
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:27,599
that and in fact state nothing about

3257
02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:29,520
what

3258
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:32,079
the police authorities are going to do

3259
02:13:32,079 --> 02:13:34,560
because the kidnapping laws of

3260
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:36,239
Massachusetts

3261
02:13:36,239 --> 02:13:40,560
say the first four words are whosoever

3262
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,840
without lawful authority.

3263
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:47,199
And neither border patrol nor ICE have

3264
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:50,639
any authority over US citizens.

3265
02:13:50,639 --> 02:13:53,520
And what we cannot

3266
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:56,800
seem to get out of the manager or the

3267
02:13:56,800 --> 02:13:59,840
state authorities is what they are going

3268
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:04,800
to do on the spot to intercede

3269
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:07,599
with for ch on behalf of children or

3270
02:14:07,599 --> 02:14:12,079
parents who can prove their citizenship

3271
02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:15,599
and are being taken away. I mean, yeah,

3272
02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:17,520
maybe in two months they can get out.

3273
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:19,599
They can spend their entire savings, the

3274
02:14:19,599 --> 02:14:22,239
money they'd saved up to uh put a down

3275
02:14:22,239 --> 02:14:24,480
payment on a house. They can pay to a

3276
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:26,719
lawyer who can fly to Texas to some

3277
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:29,840
godforsaken place in a in a federal

3278
02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:33,760
district that has one judge.

3279
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:34,560
>> Please wrap up.

3280
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:37,520
>> And what? So, we have no guidance. We

3281
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:40,560
have no assurance from the manager's

3282
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:43,280
guidance and the board has sat here and

3283
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:45,840
done nothing about it and you cannot do

3284
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:47,440
that. We

3285
02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:49,440
>> what happened in Stanford, Connecticut

3286
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:52,159
could happen here and we need

3287
02:14:52,159 --> 02:14:54,480
>> the citizens of this town to feel that

3288
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:56,960
they are going to be protected by the

3289
02:14:56,960 --> 02:14:59,440
people whose salaries they pay in the

3290
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:00,719
police department.

3291
02:15:00,719 --> 02:15:02,320
>> Thank you so much for your comments. We

3292
02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:04,960
have one raised hand now on Zoom. Bruce

3293
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:06,960
Steedman, please uh unmute yourself,

3294
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:08,159
state your name and where you live, and

3295
02:15:08,159 --> 02:15:10,639
make your comment.

3296
02:15:10,639 --> 02:15:13,760
>> Um, this is Castle O'Neal. I'm Bruce and

3297
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:15,840
Bruce Steedman's wife. I live at 20

3298
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:19,473
Mount Holio Drive in Ammerst. Um,

3299
02:15:19,473 --> 02:15:20,239
[clears throat]

3300
02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:22,800
when you were talking about reaching out

3301
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:24,800
to the workforce to find out what kind

3302
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:27,520
of housing they might be looking for,

3303
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:30,880
I'd suggest talking to the staffs of the

3304
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:33,599
public schools because I hear that one

3305
02:15:33,599 --> 02:15:35,920
of the concerns about [clears throat]

3306
02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:38,000
having so many snow days is it's not

3307
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:40,079
that the kids can't get to school, it's

3308
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:42,000
the teachers who can't afford to live in

3309
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:44,320
Ammerst and have to drive in from the

3310
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:47,440
hilltowns can't get to the school. So,

3311
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:50,960
my sense is there's a lot of admin, uh,

3312
02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:53,520
teachers, other school staff who would

3313
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:55,599
love to live in Ammerst and can't afford

3314
02:15:55,599 --> 02:15:57,840
to live here and could probably have a

3315
02:15:57,840 --> 02:15:59,428
lot to say about what kind

3316
02:15:59,428 --> 02:16:03,119
[clears throat] of housing they'd want.

3317
02:16:03,119 --> 02:16:06,079
>> Thank you for your comment.

3318
02:16:06,079 --> 02:16:09,199
>> We have no other hands raised, so we are

3319
02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:11,840
going to close public comment. Um, there

3320
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:14,320
are not topics anticipated,

3321
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:17,040
unanticipated topics. I want to thank

3322
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:18,880
all of our consultants. We've had one on

3323
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:21,040
Zoom all evening. We have three here. Um

3324
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:23,119
particularly though Nate and Peter who

3325
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:25,280
sat up here the whole time and answered

3326
02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:26,880
some questions and presented them and

3327
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:28,719
made the presentation and all. Um this

3328
02:16:28,719 --> 02:16:31,520
is a huge amount of work for not just

3329
02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:34,080
you all but for Jeff too. Um and the

3330
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,880
town is organizing this and all and in a

3331
02:16:36,880 --> 02:16:40,160
short timeline. Um we look forward to

3332
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:42,880
the continued public process and seeing

3333
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:45,920
the results of that public process. um

3334
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:49,280
as we move forward to seeing your goal

3335
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:52,719
of zoning in January. That is quite

3336
02:16:52,719 --> 02:16:56,080
ambitious. Um so thank you all for that

3337
02:16:56,080 --> 02:16:58,240
tonight. Um I will make the motion to

3338
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:00,160
adjurnn. Is there a second?

3339
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:01,359
>> Shane seconds.

3340
02:17:01,359 --> 02:17:04,479
>> Thank you. Um we will move on to voting.

3341
02:17:04,479 --> 02:17:05,760
Councelor Brevik,

3342
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:06,160
>> yes.

3343
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:07,920
>> Councelor Kenno Martin,

3344
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:08,880
>> yes.

3345
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:09,920
>> Andy Churchill,

3346
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:10,399
>> yes.

3347
02:17:10,399 --> 02:17:11,439
>> Anna Devongier,

3348
02:17:11,439 --> 02:17:11,760
>> hi.

3349
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:12,639
>> Lynn Greamer,

3350
02:17:12,639 --> 02:17:13,120
>> hi.

3351
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:15,359
>> Mandy Johani is an I. Councelor Lord.

3352
02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:16,319
>> Hi.

3353
02:17:16,319 --> 02:17:17,280
>> Dam Mloud.

3354
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:17,679
>> Hi.

3355
02:17:17,679 --> 02:17:18,880
>> Pam Rooney.

3356
02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:19,760
>> Yes.

3357
02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:20,639
>> Councelor Ryan.

3358
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:21,120
>> Hi.

3359
02:17:21,120 --> 02:17:22,000
>> Kathy Shane.

3360
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:22,319
>> Yes.

3361
02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:25,840
>> Jennifer Tob. Yes. And Councelor Walker.

3362
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:26,639
>> Yes.

3363
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:29,200
>> We are adjourned at 8:47 p.m. Thank you

3364
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:32,319
so much.