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Call the meeting to order. Please rise for the National

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Anthem.

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True. Patriot. Love. In. Our life has. Come in. Carton.

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Brasi. Porte le. Pay. Ton. Histoire est.

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Une épo. Brilla. Expl.

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Vol. We. Stand on guard. For. Thee.

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We. Stand on. God. For. Thee.

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Roll. Call will show that all members are. In attendance

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in their seat saving accepted deputy mayor who sends his

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regrets.

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We'll now read the land acknowledgement. We will begin by

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acknowledging that the land in which we gather is the

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traditional territory of the Three Fires Confederacy of First Nations.

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Comprising the Ojibway, the Odawa, and the Pottawatomi Peoples, and

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of the Huron - Wendat and Y - N. Peoples.

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We recognise the lenses and expression of gratitude to those

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whose traditional territory we reside on and a way of

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honouring the Indigenous people who have been living and thriving

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on the land since time immemorial. We value the significant

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historical and contemporary contributions of local and regional First Nations

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and all of the original people's turtle islands. Thank you.

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See, I'm trying to be too fast. I forgot, are

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there any declarations of pecuniary interest. Any declarations. Seeing none

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okay. Then we need to report out from the -

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in - camera session, Mr. Clerk. Thank. You worship. There

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is a report out from an in - camera session

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on March 9th. It was moved at the Council enter

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into an in - camera meeting of council pursuant to

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section 239 in municipal 2001 as amended for the following

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reason. Item C, employment matter regarding identifiable employee under section

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239 - 2B, personal matters, but identified all individuals, including

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municipal or local board employees. And council received the matter

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for information. There's a report out being camera session on

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August 8th. It was moved the council enter into an

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in - camera meeting of council pursuant to section 239

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of the Municipal Act 2001 as amended for the following

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reasons. Item A, naming rights proposal for town Parkland, under

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section 239 - 2K, a position planned procedure criteria or

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instruction to be applied to any negotiation carried on or

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on behalf of the municipality or local board. And the

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following motion is before council for consideration. Or sorry. My

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apologies. And administration was directed to proceed on the verbal

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direction of council. Item B, lease agreement for community space

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was heard under section 239 - 2F, advice that is

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subject to solicitor client privilege, including communications necessary for that

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purpose. And section 239 - 2K, a position plan procedure

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criteria or instruction to be applied to any negotiations carried

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on by or on behalf of the municipality or local

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board and administration was directed proceed on the verbal direction

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of council. Item C non - viable remnant parcel land

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disposition under section 239 - 2F, advice that is subject

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to this client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose.

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or instruction to be applied to any negotiation carried on

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by or on behalf of the municipality or local board.

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And the following motion is before council for consideration. Got

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to write this time, that the land's legally identified as

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part of LOT 16 concession one, part OCN Beach Reserve

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Plan 941, now designated as parts one to five, 12R27426

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in the town of Ambersburg, being non - viable remnant

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parcels as identified in the town's disposition of surplus real

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property policy and through review. Therefore be declared surplus to

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the needs of corporation and by - law 2026 -

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051 being a bylaw to Clairland surplus in the town

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of Ambersburg be read three times and finally passed, and

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the mayor and clerk be authorized to sign same. So

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looking for a mover and seconder on that motion. Move

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by Councillor - Alert. Second by Councillor Crane. Any discussion.

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Of those in favor. Opposed that's carried. And Three -

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year - worship, I believe I said the wrong date,

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it's August 10th, sorry. I said August 8th for the

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meeting. Now I do believe before we go any further,

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the negotiations. The other, I think it was B. Can

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anything be said, because... Yeah, okay. Your worship members of

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council, I had correspondence with John Martin today, and he

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knows I will be contacting him tomorrow to give him

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an update. Okay, just so you don't have to stay

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here all night, unless you want to. Okay, alright. Okay,

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so minutes of the previous meeting, we have two. Can

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I have a motion to receive them both? Move by

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Councillor Lair, seconded by Councillor Crane. In the discussion, all

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those in favor. Pose that's carried. Okay, there are no

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recognitions, presentations. We have three of them. The first one,

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9. 1 is the Invest Windsor Essex and Tourism, uh,

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Windsor Essex - Peely Island, and the floor - jars,

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Gordon. Thank. You very much for your worship. It's indeed

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a pleasure to be here. I am Gordon Or, I'm

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the CEO of Tours of Windsor Essex and Invest Windsor

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Essex, and members of Council, it's great to be here

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in the town of Amishburg. I'd like to acknowledge I'm

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not alone here tonight. I'm joined by a team that

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I have The Privilege to work with every day. I've

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got Wendy Stark, Sabrina DeMarco, Joe Gonzalez, and Ed Dawson,

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they're some of my leadership team Strongbench, and again, I'm

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privileged to work with them every day. So thank you

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for this opportunity to provide Council with an update on

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the work of Invest Windsor Essex and tourism wins -

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around, as well as present the alignment recommendations completed by

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North Guide Consulting. I'll begin with a brief overview of

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the performance of both organisations before discussing the recommendations that

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are before council tonight. Next slide, please. I'll begin with

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Invest Windsor Essex. Economic development continues to be much more

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than about just attracting new investment. It's about supporting existing

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businesses. Fostering entrepreneurship and positioning Windsor Essex for future opportunities.

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Next slide, please. These performance metrics highlight another strong year

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for 2025 economic development. Invest Windsor Essex facilitated more than

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382 million dollars in new investment, 961 new jobs, 56

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business expansions. And 86 business startups. Next slide, please. During

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the year, the Invest Windsor Essex team through our small

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business and entrepreneurship centre delivered over 1, 200 one -

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on - one consultations and 105 business support sessions with

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more than 2, 200 attendees. Next slide, please. Our communications

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and marketing efforts continue to extend well beyond our borders.

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Top visitor websites, top website visitors come from Canada, the

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United States, China, Singapore, and Germany, reflecting the international audiences

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we're reaching through our investment attraction and marketing efforts. Next

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slide, please. Looking at some of our past highlights, we

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finalised the Invest Windsor Essex New 2025 through 2028 Strategic

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Plan, providing a roadmap focused on investment attraction, business growth,

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innovation, and stakeholder communications. The region also celebrated significant investment

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and advanced manufacturing. And at the same time, we continue

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expanding beyond automotive through targeted industry diversification initiatives. Next slide,

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please. So now I'll turn to tourism Windsor Essex -

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Peley Island. Tourism continues to be a critical component of

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Windsor Essex economy and quality of life. And the work

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of Torpedoes well beyond a tracking visitors. It supports local

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businesses, promotes our municipalities and strengthens community pride. Next slide,

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please. Last year, Windsor Essex and Peely Island. Welcome more

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than 5. 1 million visitors who generated approximately 816 million

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dollars in visitors spending Tourism is a vital industry as

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it remains a significant economic generator in job creator. Next

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slide, please. Those economic outcomes are supported by highly effective

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destination marketing 2025 showed record - breaking engagement, and we

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know that awareness creates interest and interests creates visitation. Next

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slide, please. This year, our official visitor guides that was

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launched on April 23rd includes 292 tourism partners. With over

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40, 000 printed copies distributed, and in the first two

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months, 79, 000 digital views were conducted. Next slide, please.

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More than 550 partners were featured through programs, and those

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collaboration initiatives helped drive visitation across all newness pallies. Next

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slide, please. So now I'd like to turn to the

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purpose of today's report. To earlier this year, with the

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support of both invest Windsor Essex and tourism Windsor Essex,

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PLILE and Board of Directors, we retain North Guide, and

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independent consulting firm to undertake an objective review of how

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Invest Windsor Essex and tourism Windsor SXPLAN could better position

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themselves for long - term success. So over four months,

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North Guide reviewed governance models from across Canada, organisational financial

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information. Conducted stakeholder interviews, facilitated workshops with boards and staffs.

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And these recommendations are evidence - based, practical, and designed

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to strengthen regional service delivery while building on the success

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both organisations have already achieved. Next slide, please. This slide

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captures what I believe is to be the most important

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message in the report. North Guy concluded that both organisations

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are highly respected and performing effectively. This review was not

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initiated because of financial challenges organisational shortcomings. Rather, it's recognised

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as an opportunity to build on existing strengths. The opportunity

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lies in creating stronger government structure consolidating administrative functions were

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appropriate, improving operational coordination, and reinvesting those efficiencies into expanding

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capacity. So the objective is a stronger organisation, not a

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smaller one, and any efficiencies should allow us to do

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more for the region, not less. Next slide, please. North

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Guide's first recommendation focused on governance. They recommend replacing the

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current two boards with one unified skill - based board

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of approximately nine to 11 directors. Now that board would

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be selected using a Skills Matrix to ensure expertise in

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areas such as finance, governance, legal, marketing, communications, tourism, and

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economic development. Importantly, the mayor of Windsor and the Warden

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of Essex County would continue to serve, ensuring strong, municipal

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involvement. And the mayor and the warden may each designate

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a member of their respective councils as an alternate. This

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would ensure consistent, municipal representation, and accommodate scheduling conflicts and

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other official commandments. Separate advisory committees for economic development and

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tourism would also provide that sort of specialized sector expertise.

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received is whether either organisations brand would disappear. And the

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answer is no. North Guide specifically recommends maintaining both investments

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or Essex and tourism wins - r - 6 -

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p - i - l as distinct business units under

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one legal parent company. Both brands have built significant credibility

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with very different audiences, maintaining those identities, protects the equity

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that we've built in those brands over many years. And

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any future consideration of branding would have occur only after

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the organisations have successfully integrated operationally. Next slide, please. The

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next recommendation focuses on shared services. So rather than duplicating

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administrative functions across the two organisations, North Guide recommends consolidating

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areas such as finance, human resources, and information technology support.

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any efficiencies achieved will be reinvested directly into expanding services

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and regional growth and prosperity. Next slide, please. Integration is

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much more than just governance. It's also about creating a

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shared organisational culture. North Guide recommends beginning immediately by developing

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a shared vision, mission values between both organisations. And the

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report also identifies a long - term objective of eventually

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bringing both teams together into one shared location by 2029.

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in implementation. Phase one then would be begin with this

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year, focusing on governance, legal structure, shared mission, vision, and

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values, and establishing the foundation for integrated growth. A phase

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two would be introducing shared services, harmonized policies, formal referral

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pathways, and greater operational alignment. And phase three, which should

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be extended through 2029, would consider shared space, a future

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brand review, and governance assessment after three years. So this

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phased in approach minimizes disruption while allowing each milestone to

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build upon the previous one. Next slide, please. Successful integration

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depends on strong communication and staff engagement. And this report

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recommends direct communication from leadership, consistent messaging to funders and

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stakeholders like yourselves, and evolving staff and designing the future

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organisation. The objective is to build a stronger organisation by

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investing in people, not reducing capacity. Next slide, please. Ultimately,

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success will be measured by two outcomes. By these outcomes.

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Success means a unified board, providing stronger strategic oversight. It

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means a streamlined operation, allowing resources to be directed towards

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programs and services. And it means staff working collaboratively within

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a shared culture built around common mission and values. And

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most importantly, it means that the region continues receiving exceptional

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service from two - trusted brands that are now even

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working more effectively together. So in closing, I'd like to

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thank the mayor and counsel for your continued partnership and

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support of both Invest Windsor Essex and tourism Windsor Essex

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Peley Island. I'd like to thank in particular and recognise

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your administration, your CAO, your deputy CAO. We recognise that

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the tone is set at the top, and Ms. Critchley,

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Ms. Osborne, do that very well. Also give a shout

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out to Jennifer him and Myrtle Donnapad. Who have continued

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to work very closely with our teams on many projects

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and initiatives. Moving forward, invest Windsor Essex and tourism Windsor

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Essex Peely Island will continue attracting investment, growing businesses, supporting

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entrepreneurs, welcoming visitors, and strengthening the long - term prosperity

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of our region. The North Guide recommendations represent an opportunity

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to build on the success and deliver even greater value

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to our municipalities, businesses, residents, and visitors. So I want

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to thank you very much for your time tonight, and

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I'd be pleased to answer any questions you may have

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your worship. Absolutely. Any questions of Mr. Oar, right away,

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Cosla McArthur, then Councillor Crane. Thank you, Worship. Just a

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quick question. So have these recommendations been approved by the

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city and the county, or is that still to come,

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or where's that? Good question. Three of your worship to

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the councillor. Thank you very much. The city has approved

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the recommendations. It's going to county council on September the

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2nd with administrative support by Administration recommending acceptance as well.

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Okay, are there any cost savings with this merger? There

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are no cost savings identified at this juncture. 2027, both

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organisations will have two separate budgets. And again, any efficiencies

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that we find internally would then be used to build

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capacity. Uh, these organisations, as you know, Councillor have been

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flat - funded for over a decade. Uh, and the

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growth. So everything costs more now. So what we're trying

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to do is find operational efficiencies and use them internally.

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Okay, looks like you might be saving some on the

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Perdium. So like, talk with me through the board structure

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again, because currently the seven political representatives on the tourism

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Wessex, Peely Island Board, two from the city, two from

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the county, the head of each. And then one, of

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course, from Peeley Island. And it sounded like there's going

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to be a lot less. And political representatives elected representatives

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are the voice of the people. So justify that new

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structure for the people of Amortsburg, who may rightly wonder

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why, you know, mayor Pru, or Deputy Mayor Gibb, or

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county representation is not on that board like it was

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in the past. Sure, through you to your worship, back

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to the councillor. So right now, uh, the tourism board,

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uh, allows for three representatives from the city. One has

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to be the mayor. Three representatives from the county, one

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has to be the warden. Uh, the city does not

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receive per DMs to attend the meetings. Uh, the county

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does. Uh, those funds, those charges are not charged back

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to our organisation. Um, we do recognise the fact that,

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uh, invest Winds only has two politicians on the board,

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meaning the heads of both councils, meaning city and county.

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So the mayor and the warden, uh, we felt going

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forward that it would be more prudent to have more

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sector expertise, uh, in both economic and tourism to be

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on the board. But then we've established these two advisory

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committees, which is really where it's going to be funneled

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up, uh, to the board. The board will be looking

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more at strategy governance, finance, uh, legal HR, all of

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those things. So there still is room for council members

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on the advisory committees for sure. And county council would

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be able to elect the mayor or the warden rather.

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And also an alternate member of county council to sit

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on that board. Okay. I thank you in just a

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final one. Um, an easier one. Probably more fun for

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you. So we've got a big festival coming up cycle

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deburg this weekend. Cycling is going gang busters in this

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town and this region with the opening of the new

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bridge. And I'm surprised it wasn't in your presentation. But

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didn't Twepi just do something really cool for bikers in

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this region and launch a new website? Yes, I like

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that question a lot better. Um, uh, definitely. We've got

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bike the bridge. ca and the Gordy Howe International Bridge

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with the multi - use path. It just opened, as

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you know, last Wednesday. It's only open eight to eight.

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And there were over 3, 400 people that transported either

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by a foot or by a pedal. Uh, on that

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day, which is just phenomenal. We received some input from

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our hotel industry on here in line saying that they've

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seen an influx and people as far away as Indiana

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are driving here and then cycling across and coming back.

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Uh, so it's been a real strong growth potential force.

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We just launched our new Bike the Bridge, uh, website

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and the trails on both sides of the border. Tomorrow

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morning, actually the University of Windsor were going to also

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be having partnering with the Great Lakes cruising coalition. And,

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um, and the, um, The Great Lakes Waterfront Trail, I

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should say, and the trans - Canada Trail on bringing,

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we've got over 200 cyclists here in the region that

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are doing all of our trails, which is excellent. Thank

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you. Council Crane. Thank you, worship. Thank you, Gordon, for

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the presentation. Uh, as you know, Ambersburg lost its largest

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employer, Diagello, uh, are you able to speak to the

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focus Invest Windstix has on Amistburg now with that loss.

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Any work that's ongoing with the town that you can

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share just to give some assurance to residents that, uh,

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that property is, you know, consistently being marketed. Yes. Through

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your worship to the councillor. Yes. Absolutely. Keenly aware. I

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know that this council has put forward your recommendations to

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the folks at the province and Diagio. Uh, we've also

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supported your number one priority by giving some of our

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money if that is the chosen, uh, project, I guess

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that they deem appropriate. We have not heard from Diaz

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or the province what they've decided that this juncture. Uh,

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but what I can tell you is my investment attraction

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team led by Jo Gonzalez and his team have been

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through the facility. We're well aware now of what the

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facility looks like. Uh, we understand that, uh, it's been

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purchased or very close to being purchased. Uh, and we've

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connected with the possible owner of the company, uh, and

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we'll continue to help market it. And now that we

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know a lot more about it and what the internal

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operations are. So we're keenly aware and we're certainly in

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lockstep with your administration and our investment attraction team. Thank

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you and to follow up on that through, you worship

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to staff. Do we have any response back from the

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province. Regarding the funding? You worship of members of council.

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No, I have, I have not heard anything back. But

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now be the right time to send a follow -

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up. But do we need a motion or is that

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something that's deaf would be able to do. The worship

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members of council I have reached out to MPP Leardi's

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office on that. So they know that we're monitoring that

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closely, but I can certainly do that again this week.

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Thank you. Any other questions of Mr. Oar. Any other

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questions. And thank you to you and your team for

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coming out. Sorry you had to wait. That's okay. It

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was well worth it. Thank you all very much. Good

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to see you. All right. I need a motion to

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receive. I moved by Councillor McArthur. Second to by Councillor

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Courtney. All those in favor. Bows that's carried. Have a

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safe drive. Actually avail yourself of one of our fine

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restaurants or bars. Spend some money here. Okay. Um, next

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presentation is McGregor Lagoon EA Stantek presentations.

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Good new meeting everyone. My name's Brook Salter and I'm

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here with Zhang Lee. We're both with Stantic, The Consultant

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for this project. Uh, tonight we will be providing an

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overview. Of the municipal class environmental assessment, uh, that was

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conducted for the McGregor sewage works. And we will be

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discussing the recommended solution. Next slide, please. Uh, so this

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project was, uh, completed as a schedule C class EA,

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which follows Byze planning process. Uh, so the first phase

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identifies the problem or opportunity. Uh, the second phase identifies

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and evaluates alternative solutions. Uh, the third phase identifies and

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evaluates alternative design concepts for the preferred solution. Uh, the

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fourth phase documents findings in an environmental study report and

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then makes it publicly available. Uh, and then the last

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phase implementation of the preferred design is not included in

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this study. Uh, but the purpose of this class EA

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is to determine the preferred solution in conceptual design required

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to support future wastewater servicing demands in the community of

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McGregor. Uh, next slide, please. So some background review on

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the McGregor sewing treatment facility. Um, it is located at

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9, 420 Walker Road. Um, it was originally constructed in

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1982 with a treatment capacity of 560 metres cube per

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day. And then it was later expanded and upgraded in

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the early 2000s. Increasing the treatment capacity to 1127 metres

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cube per day. Historically, this facility has had strong operating

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performance and produce good effluent quality. Uh, and as you

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can see in this table, uh, here that the average

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daily flow is have increased over the past several years.

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Uh, and even, uh, has reached 89 percent of the

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facilities rated capacity in 2024. Next slide, please. Uh, so

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the treatment process starts at the influent pumping station, uh,

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located on Walker Road, uh, where it pumps Rosumage to

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the influent chamber. Uh, influent chamber, then discharges the RASU,

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which to the North end of cell one, uh, cell

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one is the large pawn located on the right in

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this figure. Uh, so the facility has three way stabilization

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PONS which provide biological treatment and help remove suspended solids

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from the wastewater. Uh, the aerators, uh, located in cell

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one to provide or to supply oxygen to help break

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down organic material. Alum is also added to cell two.

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So the middle pawn there for phosphorus removal. Uh, and

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then following treatment, uh, Theflin is further polished, uh, through

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four intermittent sand filters. And then finally, the treated effluent

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is discharged to King Creek through the facility's outfall. Next

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slide, please. Uh, so this view here shows the sanitary

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servicing area for the McGregor sewage treatment facility. The sanity

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collection system was constructed in the 1980s and serves both

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the town of Ambersburg and the town of Essex. So

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the AMSBR is located west of Walker Road and then

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The Town of Essex is located east of Walker Road.

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The sanitary collection system consists of four pumping stations. So

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the first one is the Walker Road Meme Pumping Station.

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The second one is the Du Charmling Pumping Station. Uh,

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third one, the Lucier Estates Plumpe Initiation. And then the

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last one is The Fox Glenn Pomping Station. Uh, The

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Fox Glenn Pompeon Station is located outside of McGregor. Uh,

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and therefore is not shown in this figure. But although

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Wastewater in the community is collected and directed to the

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Walker Roe main pumping Station, uh, which serves as the

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infant pumping Station for the treatment facility. Uh, next slide,

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please. So expansion is being considered because an analysis completed

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in 2018 and historical flow records indicated that the McGreer

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Sew Streetment facility was approaching its capacity limit. And also

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the town of Ambersburg and, uh, the town of Essex

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are both exploring options to accommodate future development within the

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community of McGregor, uh, so the figure here on the

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left, uh, shows potential development areas within the town of

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Ambersburg. And then the figure on the right, uh, shows

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potential development areas within the ton of Essex. Uh, next

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slide, please. So for this project, the projected feature flows

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were divided into two planning phases. Uh, the first phase,

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um, includes projected flows over the next 20 years. And

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this is estimated to be approximately 3, 252 metre cubes

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per day. And then for the second or ultimate phase,

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uh, it includes projected flows beyond the 20 year planning

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horizon. And as that's made to be approximately 5, 724

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metres cubic per day. And so the projective flows are

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made up of the existing flows, uh, flow from future

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developments within the ton of Essex and the time of

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Ambersburg. And it also includes flows from the Howard Industrial

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Area. Next slide, please. So as part of this class

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EA, um, The Feast BLG of servicing the Howard Industrial

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Area through the McGregor sewage treatment facility was evaluated. And

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based on this evaluation, uh, the preferred solution identified with

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a discharge flows from the Howard Industria to the McGregor

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sewage treatment facility. Uh, however, the servicing route remains subject

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to further review. And then the figure here on the

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right shows the lands that make up the Howard Industrial

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Area. Next slide, please. Um, so this figure here shows

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the preferred layout for the upgraded facility. Uh, so the

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influent compensation located on Walker Road, uh, would be decommission

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in a new inlet publing station would be constructed on

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site, uh, the flow would then enter new diversion chamber,

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uh, which would either direct flow to the screening and

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grip removable building or to sell one, uh, which would

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be repurposed as a wet weather flow retention PON, uh,

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to prevent overloading the treatment process during storm events, uh,

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and then, uh, The influent would then be treated in

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the new sequencing batch reactor tanks. Uh, and then any

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sledge generated during the treatment process, uh, would be handled

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in the new dewatering building. Uh, the Efflunt would then

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undergo additional treatment through the new cloth DISC filters, uh,

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followed by UB disinfection before being disturged to King Kreeka

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through the existing outfall. Next slide, please. So to account,

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uh, the future wastewater servicing demands in the community, collection

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system upgrades are anticipated. Sewer capacity, uh, analysis was completed,

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uh, to identify any sections of the collection system, uh,

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that may require upgrades, uh, as flows increase. Uh, so

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the analysis determined, uh, the upgrades are required for 18

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trunk sewers along Walker Road. Two sewers on 11th concession

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road and one sewer on middle side road. So you

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can see in the figure on the right here that

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the sewers highly didn't green have adequate capacity. Uh, the

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sewer is highlighted in yellow and orange have marginal capacity

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and the sewer is highlighted in red have exceeded their

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00:32:01,390 --> 00:32:10,378
design capacity under ultimate flow conditions. Next slide, please. So

470
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:15,818
pumping station upgrades are also anticipated to accommodate future wastewater

471
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,418
serving demands in the community. So I've shown in this

472
00:32:19,458 --> 00:32:23,738
table, um, the walker road me compensation and the decerm

473
00:32:23,778 --> 00:32:27,338
lane pumping station, uh, do not have sufficient capacity to

474
00:32:27,439 --> 00:32:31,018
meet the 20 year and ultimate design flows. And as

475
00:32:31,058 --> 00:32:34,698
such, it's recommended that the Walker Road Pumping Station be

476
00:32:34,738 --> 00:32:38,618
replaced with a new inlet POMP station with the firm

477
00:32:38,618 --> 00:32:43,178
capacity 201. 2 litres per second and size to accommodate

478
00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:46,298
the ultimate design flow of three Enduring 22. 2 litres

479
00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:50,258
per second. And then as for the ducerm lane pumping

480
00:32:50,439 --> 00:32:55,698
session, the existing compensation is recommended to be upgraded to

481
00:32:55,879 --> 00:33:00,853
a firm capacity of 5. 6 litres per second. Next

482
00:33:00,853 --> 00:33:07,384
slide, please. Uh, so in summary, uh, the pineal probable

483
00:33:07,405 --> 00:33:11,384
cost for the proposed expansion of the McGregor sewage treatment

484
00:33:11,805 --> 00:33:18,344
facility is approximately 35. 5 million dollars. That's made cost

485
00:33:18,445 --> 00:33:21,864
for upgrade to them a great collection system is approximately

486
00:33:22,445 --> 00:33:30,972
6. 1 million dollars. The McPumbi station is approximately 10.

487
00:33:30,993 --> 00:33:34,252
5 million dollars. But please keep in mind that these

488
00:33:34,292 --> 00:33:37,532
are high level costs. And it would be further refined

489
00:33:37,553 --> 00:33:41,832
during detailed design or another future stage, uh, in the

490
00:33:41,832 --> 00:33:47,802
project. Uh, next slide, please. Uh, so as for next

491
00:33:48,063 --> 00:33:51,322
step, so the notice of completion was issued on June

492
00:33:51,503 --> 00:33:56,202
25th. The next steps will include finalising the environment adult

493
00:33:56,383 --> 00:34:01,802
study report, uh, based on input received from review agencies.

494
00:34:01,802 --> 00:34:05,162
And then the report will be placed on public record.

495
00:34:06,683 --> 00:34:12,262
And then following completion of the class EA Council Direction,

496
00:34:12,262 --> 00:34:16,962
uh, will be provided as to whether, uh, implementation, uh,

497
00:34:17,963 --> 00:34:21,266
they will proceed with implementation of the recommended works. Um,

498
00:34:21,927 --> 00:34:28,496
and then next slide, please. It. Thank you for your

499
00:34:28,536 --> 00:34:35,768
time. Does anyone have been any questions. Questions. Okay. Okay.

500
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:38,248
I was just going to say before questions. What is

501
00:34:38,248 --> 00:34:41,539
being requested here today. Is not to spend 52 million

502
00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:44,579
dollars. I heard some gasps out there. Uh, what is

503
00:34:44,619 --> 00:34:47,219
being requested is for us to approve this as a

504
00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:49,939
long - term goal. Leave it with staff and see

505
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,899
if, uh, in the future some government or some somebody

506
00:34:52,939 --> 00:34:57,059
wants to assist us in paying. And also we have

507
00:34:57,059 --> 00:35:00,299
to negotiate with the town of Essex as well. So

508
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,813
it's no gasp. Please. Okay. Uh, Councillor Courtney. A couple

509
00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:10,333
of questions. So we do this infrastructure provides for both

510
00:35:10,434 --> 00:35:13,613
residents on the AMSberg site and Essex. Do we know

511
00:35:13,634 --> 00:35:16,013
what percentage or stake in the game as it contributes

512
00:35:16,034 --> 00:35:22,644
to our existing lagoons and wastewater. Currently. I don't know

513
00:35:22,745 --> 00:35:31,162
the exact percentage. Off the top of my head. But,

514
00:35:31,162 --> 00:35:35,862
uh, Essex is proposing more for the future development. Uh,

515
00:35:35,983 --> 00:35:41,187
so that would, would be considered in the future. Um.

516
00:35:42,502 --> 00:35:46,161
Okay. I think rather than let's go right to Todd.

517
00:35:47,898 --> 00:35:50,837
Thank you, three, Mr. Mayor, to Councillor Courtney. Um, right

518
00:35:50,877 --> 00:35:54,997
now the town of Ambersburg manages and maintains the system

519
00:35:55,258 --> 00:35:57,957
as well as the Lagoon system as well as the

520
00:35:57,997 --> 00:36:02,117
sewer system. So the Essex residents, um, that are on

521
00:36:02,117 --> 00:36:05,317
that system pay the same sewage rates that all town

522
00:36:05,357 --> 00:36:09,157
of Ambersburg residents pay. And right now that, uh, Lagoon

523
00:36:09,197 --> 00:36:13,717
system is split about 50 - 50. It's evenly shared.

524
00:36:13,717 --> 00:36:17,397
Um, the town of Essex is a partner in this

525
00:36:17,898 --> 00:36:20,437
EA process. They are, we are splitting the cost of

526
00:36:20,477 --> 00:36:24,273
this EA 5050 with them as well. Um, and that

527
00:36:24,313 --> 00:36:28,033
gets to the point of at least, um, adopting the

528
00:36:28,054 --> 00:36:33,473
ESR as the possible, uh, forward path for future growth

529
00:36:33,574 --> 00:36:38,913
immigrer. Beyond that, any discussions of how that future growth

530
00:36:38,934 --> 00:36:42,033
is funded would be a discussion with the town of

531
00:36:42,134 --> 00:36:45,153
Essex at that time. Okay. Question, because I'm looking at

532
00:36:45,193 --> 00:36:49,073
the recommendation, it uses the word endors, not receive. That

533
00:36:49,073 --> 00:36:53,553
kind of made me ask. Why were endorsing, if we

534
00:36:53,593 --> 00:36:57,873
want to increase the ability to have more houses out

535
00:36:57,913 --> 00:37:00,794
there. But why can we not just receive this report?

536
00:37:00,834 --> 00:37:05,547
Because to me, receiving should be adequate. Your worship members

537
00:37:05,728 --> 00:37:12,027
of council, we need, um, an endorsed environmental class assessment,

538
00:37:12,027 --> 00:37:15,127
uh, for a variety of reasons. One reason is, uh,

539
00:37:15,568 --> 00:37:17,787
we need to have that if we wanted to go

540
00:37:17,808 --> 00:37:20,107
further for any grant funding. We have to have that

541
00:37:20,768 --> 00:37:22,747
endorsed by council that we have a plan and we

542
00:37:22,747 --> 00:37:24,807
have the plan on the books and ready to go.

543
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,059
And what is our current capacity of our existing lagoons

544
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,859
and treatment facility? What was the number? It's a big

545
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:38,127
robust report. The existing capacity is 1127 metres cube per

546
00:37:38,167 --> 00:37:40,447
day. I mean, where are we at capacity for more

547
00:37:40,487 --> 00:37:42,127
houses right now to tie in a before we have

548
00:37:42,167 --> 00:37:44,127
to say no more houses can be built. Like what

549
00:37:44,127 --> 00:37:46,767
percentage of capacity are we at right now? We're close

550
00:37:46,807 --> 00:37:50,266
to maximum. Yeah. Yeah. I would say it's closer to

551
00:37:50,367 --> 00:37:53,766
like 80 to 90 percent of capacity right now. And

552
00:37:53,766 --> 00:37:57,226
what's the utmost threshold? Cause I know it's not 100.

553
00:37:57,226 --> 00:37:58,346
I think we talked about this a couple of years

554
00:37:58,346 --> 00:38:01,582
ago, Todd. So Todd's got the quote. Answer, okay. Through

555
00:38:01,582 --> 00:38:03,982
you, Mr. Mayor. I'll take this one, Brooke. So right

556
00:38:03,982 --> 00:38:10,251
now we have limited growth in McGregor. So, uh, in

557
00:38:10,272 --> 00:38:13,931
2018, we did a capacity assessment that assessed that we

558
00:38:13,971 --> 00:38:17,291
had about 100 and I'll give it 140 lots of

559
00:38:17,312 --> 00:38:21,451
capacity. Those were distributed between the town of Essex and

560
00:38:21,472 --> 00:38:25,291
the town of Ambersburg at that time. Um, based on,

561
00:38:25,291 --> 00:38:27,211
uh, we did a calculation based on how many they

562
00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:30,891
had, how many lots Essex had built since the expansion

563
00:38:31,312 --> 00:38:33,931
in the 2000, which they had partnered in and how

564
00:38:33,931 --> 00:38:37,822
many Ambersburg had. And we distributed those lots. The town

565
00:38:37,862 --> 00:38:42,062
of Ambersburg right now, uh, has approximately 80 lots left.

566
00:38:42,062 --> 00:38:47,803
Those are currently committed to the, um, trails subdivision. And

567
00:38:47,803 --> 00:38:50,363
the town of Essex is pretty much used up all

568
00:38:50,403 --> 00:38:54,363
of their, uh, growth with, uh, The apartment building that

569
00:38:54,403 --> 00:38:59,483
they built behind the church as well as the expansion

570
00:38:59,523 --> 00:39:03,244
of the Ducharmelean subdivision. Okay. And looking at the mapping

571
00:39:03,345 --> 00:39:07,404
and the report on page 60, um, the rationale for

572
00:39:07,404 --> 00:39:09,564
the expansion. I'm looking at these, the red mapping here

573
00:39:09,604 --> 00:39:14,684
of future, uh, residential, what, what number of houses would

574
00:39:14,684 --> 00:39:18,524
that include by doing this kind of infrastructure? Well, redo.

575
00:39:19,448 --> 00:39:24,321
Like how many houses are we talking. Through you, Mr.

576
00:39:24,321 --> 00:39:27,541
Mayor, to Councillor Courtney. It's not, we try to do

577
00:39:27,642 --> 00:39:32,101
it based on, um, per hectar and designs of what

578
00:39:32,101 --> 00:39:35,621
we believe to be, you know, the future growth sizing

579
00:39:35,621 --> 00:39:38,501
of homes versus what, uh, some of them were built

580
00:39:38,501 --> 00:39:44,581
now. Um, the, uh, chart that was in the graphics

581
00:39:44,621 --> 00:39:48,181
earlier had a, so sort of the 20 year projected

582
00:39:48,362 --> 00:39:50,821
flows. And what it showed is that the town of

583
00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:54,515
Ambersburg feature development was about 30 percent. Of the future

584
00:39:54,776 --> 00:39:57,395
flow in the town of Essex future development was going

585
00:39:57,395 --> 00:40:00,195
to be about three three three percent. So they're, their

586
00:40:00,216 --> 00:40:02,195
growth rate is a little bit higher than ours. They

587
00:40:02,195 --> 00:40:05,217
have a little bit more land that is buildable. Um,

588
00:40:05,257 --> 00:40:14,097
but ultimately when you say 30 percent, to double the

589
00:40:14,137 --> 00:40:17,137
size housing wise of what Ambersburg has now in McGregor.

590
00:40:17,778 --> 00:40:20,637
Okay. So my last statement is obviously we got to,

591
00:40:20,637 --> 00:40:22,477
we, we had to move forward with this. And if

592
00:40:22,477 --> 00:40:24,397
it's for grant funny, you still got to figure out

593
00:40:24,437 --> 00:40:26,237
where you're going to get money. So 52 million, my

594
00:40:26,237 --> 00:40:27,917
jaw hit the floor when I looked at these numbers.

595
00:40:27,917 --> 00:40:29,597
And it sounds like it's all got to be put

596
00:40:29,597 --> 00:40:32,077
together because you need pumping stations to pump the new

597
00:40:32,178 --> 00:40:36,317
infrastructure to the lagoons, whatever. Um, is there any criteria

598
00:40:36,338 --> 00:40:38,717
for us to cap in these open lagoons right now?

599
00:40:38,818 --> 00:40:41,437
We're grandfathered with the existing system as is. Do we

600
00:40:41,437 --> 00:40:43,837
have to do anything? Are we mandated to move and

601
00:40:43,837 --> 00:40:48,517
advance this into facilities? Um, do you, Mr. Mayor, to

602
00:40:48,517 --> 00:40:52,397
Councillor Courtney, no, if we choose, if the town of

603
00:40:52,498 --> 00:40:55,677
Ambersburg or the chooses to move forward with no growth,

604
00:40:55,677 --> 00:40:58,957
future growth in McGregor, uh, depending on cost or, or

605
00:40:59,058 --> 00:41:03,277
those any other, uh, criteria, the lagoon system, as long

606
00:41:03,277 --> 00:41:06,877
as we continue to meet our effluent criteria, can operate,

607
00:41:06,877 --> 00:41:10,380
uh, imperpetuity. Uh, we have no issues out there currently

608
00:41:10,380 --> 00:41:15,545
with effluent quality. We would, in the end, we can't

609
00:41:15,566 --> 00:41:18,385
expand the lagoon system. It's at its maximum now. So

610
00:41:18,446 --> 00:41:21,145
the only really option with respect to expansion would be

611
00:41:21,726 --> 00:41:25,625
to go to, uh, treatment plant style as was identified

612
00:41:26,206 --> 00:41:29,865
in the, uh, OK. So again, I'm not, we'll endorsed

613
00:41:29,865 --> 00:41:31,525
it, I guess, based on the wording that the, not

614
00:41:31,525 --> 00:41:35,625
MCA. So we need, but we've got a capabilities of

615
00:41:35,665 --> 00:41:39,305
50, 000 residents for our in town one. So expansion

616
00:41:39,326 --> 00:41:41,865
and growth to me, this would be irresponsible. I mean,

617
00:41:41,966 --> 00:41:45,065
if we have to stop growth in McGregor too expensive,

618
00:41:45,065 --> 00:41:47,785
the infrastructure, but, uh, I'll listen to the council members,

619
00:41:47,785 --> 00:41:55,860
but, uh, yeah. Anyhow, thank you. Councillor Pouge. Thank you,

620
00:41:55,881 --> 00:42:00,180
Mr. Mayor. Um, through you to, I believe it would

621
00:42:00,180 --> 00:42:05,480
be, uh, The planner. So, uh, why is there no

622
00:42:05,501 --> 00:42:10,360
other option offered other than the 52 million treatment plant.

623
00:42:11,143 --> 00:42:15,922
Like for example, the option for adding an additional settling

624
00:42:16,183 --> 00:42:24,749
pond. So we did consider adding additional, uh,

625
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:29,649
lagoons. That was, uh, after an evaluation, it wasn't a

626
00:42:29,649 --> 00:42:34,609
recommended option because, uh, due to the required increase in

627
00:42:34,649 --> 00:42:40,289
capacity, um, there's not enough space on land to accommodate,

628
00:42:40,289 --> 00:42:43,676
uh, the number of pawns that we would need. To

629
00:42:43,676 --> 00:42:49,538
provide the required treatment. That scene is the ministry of

630
00:42:49,799 --> 00:42:56,538
environmental basically is another accepter, uh, pound only option. If

631
00:42:56,538 --> 00:42:58,978
you touch it upon, if we want to expand it

632
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:06,357
has to be always more advanced treatment. Than other things

633
00:43:06,698 --> 00:43:10,517
as a broker mention is that is a limited space.

634
00:43:12,436 --> 00:43:16,975
That it is a restriction here for the, for the

635
00:43:16,996 --> 00:43:22,345
expansion options. Okay. Thank you. Is it true that it's

636
00:43:22,385 --> 00:43:25,385
just gene settling ponds have not been cleaned out since

637
00:43:26,446 --> 00:43:34,894
2013. Three, Mr. Mayor, uh, Councillor Pouge. That is accurate.

638
00:43:34,894 --> 00:43:39,294
Um, the PONS were put in in the 1980s, early

639
00:43:39,294 --> 00:43:43,934
1980s. Cell one, which is the main, uh, influenced cell

640
00:43:44,035 --> 00:43:48,654
was cleaned, I believe 2010 or 2007 maybe. And the

641
00:43:48,675 --> 00:43:54,469
SET PON2 was cleaned in 2013. Okay, thank you. So

642
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:59,189
there was an additional settling pond. I understand, I guess

643
00:43:59,290 --> 00:44:03,945
you can't use that. If I'm correct, if that's correct.

644
00:44:03,945 --> 00:44:08,985
And the existing suddening ponds were cleaned. How long would

645
00:44:09,025 --> 00:44:12,585
the projected lifespan be for the ponds? And would they

646
00:44:12,625 --> 00:44:19,225
be able to accommodate, uh, residential expansion at the Howard

647
00:44:19,406 --> 00:44:26,569
Industrial Plant. Through you, Mr. Mayor, to Councillor Pouje, the

648
00:44:26,590 --> 00:44:32,569
PONS themselves, uh, with maintenance could be operated for as

649
00:44:32,609 --> 00:44:35,609
long as we can. I mean, we maintain them now.

650
00:44:35,609 --> 00:44:39,049
They've been there for closing in on 45 years and

651
00:44:39,049 --> 00:44:41,770
we would expect them to continue to operate. What we

652
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:45,370
cannot predict is whether the Ministry of Environment will continue

653
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:47,850
to allow it as we move forward, whether they try

654
00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:52,741
to change the effluent criteria that we currently have. Um,

655
00:44:52,762 --> 00:44:55,381
the reasoning one of the reasons why we struggle to

656
00:44:55,562 --> 00:45:00,401
add another POND for capacity is because once you, uh,

657
00:45:00,442 --> 00:45:04,181
as Dr. Lee mentioned, once you start to change your

658
00:45:04,282 --> 00:45:07,381
platform, so to speak out there, the MOE or the

659
00:45:07,402 --> 00:45:10,981
MECP, sorry, old school, the MECP will start to change

660
00:45:11,322 --> 00:45:15,542
the effluent criteria. So they want, once you look to

661
00:45:15,643 --> 00:45:18,502
expand, they're going to want to have better effluent criteria

662
00:45:18,542 --> 00:45:21,622
than you have now. And with an expanded lagoon system,

663
00:45:21,622 --> 00:45:24,742
we would struggle to meet even the criteria that we

664
00:45:24,763 --> 00:45:30,255
meet now. Um, with respect to, uh, cleaning them or

665
00:45:30,295 --> 00:45:33,935
the capacity. And I'm glad you brought up The Howard

666
00:45:33,975 --> 00:45:38,041
Industrial Zone because it was mentioned in the, um. In

667
00:45:38,142 --> 00:45:43,208
the presentation. Um, the capacity that would be required for

668
00:45:43,229 --> 00:45:46,328
the Howard Industrial Zone could not be accommodated in the

669
00:45:46,429 --> 00:45:49,048
PONS as they sit, even if we were to add

670
00:45:49,048 --> 00:45:51,928
another pond, even if it was possible. That would not

671
00:45:51,928 --> 00:45:56,420
be sufficient. Um, we estimated those flows to be in

672
00:45:56,460 --> 00:46:00,140
the range of, I think one to two thousand. I

673
00:46:00,140 --> 00:46:02,100
apologise for not knowing that number right off the top

674
00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:05,697
of my head. But in comparison, the flows that we

675
00:46:05,697 --> 00:46:08,897
would anticipate from the Howard Industrial Zone would be more

676
00:46:08,937 --> 00:46:12,857
than what the Lagoons treat now as a capacity. So

677
00:46:13,078 --> 00:46:15,697
we would almost, we would have to double the lagoons

678
00:46:16,118 --> 00:46:20,897
just to service the Howard Industrial lands. And again, with

679
00:46:20,937 --> 00:46:23,697
the land constraints that we have there, that's even if

680
00:46:24,918 --> 00:46:28,017
the MECP was favorable to that, uh, it's not an

681
00:46:28,057 --> 00:46:35,051
option for us in that area. Any other questions. Councillor

682
00:46:35,051 --> 00:46:40,187
McArthur. Just dead a question for Todd. So it's largely

683
00:46:40,288 --> 00:46:42,267
kind of flowing under the radar, what we've done over

684
00:46:43,248 --> 00:46:45,707
in golf you. But it's one of the most remarkable

685
00:46:45,808 --> 00:46:49,067
achievements, I think, like in terms of recreational infrastructure and

686
00:46:49,248 --> 00:46:52,907
livability for residents in that area. And everywhere. But those,

687
00:46:52,907 --> 00:46:56,027
when we decommissioned, you know, those lagoons, we turned it

688
00:46:56,067 --> 00:46:59,147
now into there's eucalyfer walk there and the birds from

689
00:46:59,187 --> 00:47:01,587
all over the world. It's a beautiful nature trail. I

690
00:47:01,728 --> 00:47:05,467
appreciate the two situations are a little bit different and

691
00:47:05,467 --> 00:47:08,007
that this one was going to have a treatment, you

692
00:47:08,007 --> 00:47:10,827
know, facility on site potentially down the road. But are

693
00:47:10,867 --> 00:47:14,427
there opportunities to decommission if and when those things get

694
00:47:14,448 --> 00:47:16,507
decommissioned to do what we did in golf you and

695
00:47:16,547 --> 00:47:21,592
give a little something back to the residence. Three, Mr.

696
00:47:21,632 --> 00:47:26,807
Mayor to Councillor McArthur. Yes. It absolutely would be a

697
00:47:26,847 --> 00:47:31,767
possibility to do that. Um, similar to Edgewater, we would

698
00:47:31,868 --> 00:47:35,527
save one of the cells for wet weather flow, which,

699
00:47:35,527 --> 00:47:39,767
uh, has been excellent for the edgewater system because it

700
00:47:39,807 --> 00:47:44,807
allows for that, um, the reduction of possibile flow into

701
00:47:44,847 --> 00:47:48,490
basements because it gives us that area to pump. The

702
00:47:48,591 --> 00:47:50,970
sewage, even when it can't be pumped to the main

703
00:47:51,071 --> 00:47:53,610
plant. And so we can store it. And this system

704
00:47:53,711 --> 00:47:57,230
would have the same. But if we were to decommission

705
00:47:57,491 --> 00:48:01,470
and with some fencing and other requirements, um, we would

706
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:04,670
hopefully be able to achieve the same thing, uh, as

707
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:07,550
we move forward with that decommissioning. Right as you say

708
00:48:07,590 --> 00:48:10,110
right now, we don't allow traffic there. But if we

709
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:12,190
were to secure it in a similar way that we

710
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:14,510
do at edgewater where it's fenced and that wet weather

711
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:18,030
cell is there, but not accessible. Um, those options could

712
00:48:18,030 --> 00:48:20,350
be available in the future if this was to move

713
00:48:20,350 --> 00:48:24,586
forward. I just want to say this is, you know,

714
00:48:24,586 --> 00:48:27,646
editorializing and it's a lot of money. Uh, so I'm

715
00:48:27,667 --> 00:48:31,086
not even sort of considering it. But right there that

716
00:48:31,126 --> 00:48:33,966
land, I mean, it's adjacent to two conservation areas. I

717
00:48:33,966 --> 00:48:36,926
mean, there's already an active trail system there. Uh, the

718
00:48:36,947 --> 00:48:39,646
ATV club goes there. It would link Howard and Walker

719
00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:42,686
Road. So I mean, for the residents in that area,

720
00:48:42,686 --> 00:48:45,086
if at some point that would be a real added

721
00:48:45,126 --> 00:48:47,966
bonus, uh, to the addition of, you know, the expansion

722
00:48:47,966 --> 00:48:53,006
of infrastructure, water infrastructure for housing. But recreationally, and I

723
00:48:53,006 --> 00:48:54,766
know it's a way down the road. And it's a

724
00:48:54,766 --> 00:48:57,726
lot of money, but that could be a gem that

725
00:48:57,747 --> 00:49:04,583
comes out of all of this. Okay. Uh, any other.

726
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:10,089
Go ahead. Real quick. Todd, it was mentioned about Howard

727
00:49:10,129 --> 00:49:13,289
Industrial. And we would have to link that within an

728
00:49:13,310 --> 00:49:15,369
ink if we started to go down this path for

729
00:49:15,409 --> 00:49:18,489
expansion. Where does the existing wastewater go with what's out

730
00:49:18,529 --> 00:49:23,866
at how our industrial right now? Mayor, do Councillor Courtney.

731
00:49:23,866 --> 00:49:26,826
There is no sanitary sewers in the Howard Industrial Area

732
00:49:26,866 --> 00:49:29,626
right now, uh, all the businesses and buildings that are

733
00:49:29,666 --> 00:49:35,085
there are on septic systems. Thank you. Any other questions

734
00:49:35,506 --> 00:49:40,414
of the presenters. Okay, well, thank you very much to

735
00:49:40,435 --> 00:49:45,316
the presenters. And I guess now I need a motion

736
00:49:45,316 --> 00:49:47,636
to, uh, to bring forward.

737
00:49:57,763 --> 00:50:01,022
Move by Councillor Crane, seconded by Kessler Pouger. We now

738
00:50:01,022 --> 00:50:05,342
have 13. 4 before us, which is the 600 pages.

739
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,979
Oh, sorry. Uh, I need to vote. Yes. Okay. All

740
00:50:11,979 --> 00:50:17,713
those in favor bring it forward. Okay. Carried. Okay. Any

741
00:50:17,814 --> 00:50:22,276
questions of staff on any of this. Council Courtney. Real

742
00:50:22,276 --> 00:50:25,316
quick. Uh, endorsement. What does that require from our staff

743
00:50:25,657 --> 00:50:29,076
in regards to time efforts? We've got a lot on

744
00:50:29,116 --> 00:50:31,316
our plates right now. I don't see this happening anytime

745
00:50:31,316 --> 00:50:34,756
in the near future. So by endorsing what actively our

746
00:50:34,756 --> 00:50:36,996
staff going to be doing with grant seeking and things

747
00:50:36,996 --> 00:50:39,956
like that, or because again, dollar for dollar, we're going

748
00:50:39,956 --> 00:50:42,676
to have to find dollars to match. So is this

749
00:50:43,257 --> 00:50:47,476
worth endorsing right now? Yourship members of council. Absolutely. It

750
00:50:47,516 --> 00:50:50,756
is worth endorsing right now. Um, essentially so that should

751
00:50:51,417 --> 00:50:55,956
further grant opportunities become available. We will have that piece

752
00:50:55,996 --> 00:50:58,756
satisfied that we do have an endorsed and fully completed

753
00:50:59,657 --> 00:51:03,636
environmental class assessment. One of the steps as Ms. Psalter

754
00:51:03,676 --> 00:51:05,676
stated in her presentation was the next thing would be

755
00:51:05,676 --> 00:51:08,596
that it would all be filed appropriately with the MEC

756
00:51:08,617 --> 00:51:10,916
P and placed on the environmental register. And that's the

757
00:51:11,177 --> 00:51:15,316
final step. Um, in terms of staff time moving forward,

758
00:51:15,316 --> 00:51:19,316
um, essentially until, um, council gives us direction to move

759
00:51:19,356 --> 00:51:22,836
forward with this project. We won't be doing anything actively.

760
00:51:22,836 --> 00:51:27,396
Um, obviously whenever, um, big infrastructure grant programs are announced

761
00:51:27,417 --> 00:51:29,876
by the province or the federal government. We assessed all

762
00:51:30,297 --> 00:51:33,636
projects that are outstanding against them. And if we thought

763
00:51:33,737 --> 00:51:36,676
that this was a good match, um, that we could

764
00:51:36,777 --> 00:51:39,796
move forward with, obviously with the cooperation of the town

765
00:51:39,796 --> 00:51:42,836
of Essex, we would then bring that to council for

766
00:51:42,876 --> 00:51:45,636
consideration of further direction. And I will defer to Mr.

767
00:51:45,676 --> 00:51:48,436
Hugher, Ms. Osborne, if there are any further things I'd

768
00:51:48,436 --> 00:51:52,564
like to add. Through you, Mr. Mayor, to Council, thank

769
00:51:52,564 --> 00:51:56,244
you, CAO Critchley. Further to that, The Howard Industrial Park

770
00:51:56,505 --> 00:51:59,364
is included in this particular study as Council is aware

771
00:51:59,385 --> 00:52:02,404
we're currently in the middle of doing some work with

772
00:52:02,444 --> 00:52:05,844
our consultants to better understand how those lands can be

773
00:52:05,884 --> 00:52:08,404
developed, what sort of industry can be there. One of

774
00:52:08,404 --> 00:52:11,444
the questions that they need to provide is value for

775
00:52:11,484 --> 00:52:17,324
investment, which sanitary sewer is one of those things. If

776
00:52:17,324 --> 00:52:19,684
they come back with that information, that that can be

777
00:52:19,724 --> 00:52:22,004
value added in order for us to develop out the

778
00:52:22,185 --> 00:52:25,524
Industrial site. There are federal and provincial grants of a

779
00:52:25,524 --> 00:52:29,124
sizable nature that this being endorsed would position us to

780
00:52:29,124 --> 00:52:37,686
start to seriously look at going after those funds. Any

781
00:52:37,787 --> 00:52:43,951
other questions. Seeing none, they need a motion. Councillor McArthur.

782
00:52:46,851 --> 00:52:52,921
Recommendation. Second of my councillor Crain. Any discussion. All those

783
00:52:52,961 --> 00:53:00,383
in favor. Posed that's carried. Okay, then let's go back

784
00:53:00,644 --> 00:53:06,806
to the next. Presentation, which is number 9. 3 The

785
00:53:06,907 --> 00:53:11,366
Audited 2025 audited year and presentation.

786
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:30,745
Go ahead, the floor is 7. 1. Hear me okay?

787
00:53:36,942 --> 00:53:40,921
So excuse me, what number are we on? It's number

788
00:53:41,182 --> 00:53:48,987
9. 3. It's on the purple sheet.

789
00:53:58,029 --> 00:54:01,106
Okay, is there someone going to present this. Yeah, just

790
00:54:01,127 --> 00:54:04,146
confirm you can hear me, okay? Okay, sure. Go ahead.

791
00:54:04,146 --> 00:54:07,453
Thank you through you, Mr. Chair. Um, so we have

792
00:54:07,714 --> 00:54:10,333
here a summary of our audit findings and the financial

793
00:54:10,354 --> 00:54:14,253
operations for the year. We had presented the full findings

794
00:54:14,514 --> 00:54:17,613
and statements to the audit and finance advisory committee on

795
00:54:17,634 --> 00:54:22,153
July 22nd. What you'll see here is a summary. The

796
00:54:22,153 --> 00:54:24,813
full audit findings and statements were included in the council

797
00:54:24,853 --> 00:54:30,348
package. So in terms of our engagement status, as I

798
00:54:30,348 --> 00:54:33,308
mentioned, we have presented the financial statements and findings to

799
00:54:33,348 --> 00:54:36,588
the audit and finance committee. Uh, we have substantially completed

800
00:54:36,628 --> 00:54:40,668
our audit procedures over the consolidated statements of the municipality

801
00:54:41,729 --> 00:54:45,608
and pending approval of our following subsequent event items. Um,

802
00:54:45,969 --> 00:54:49,388
anticipate being able to sign our independence report. So those

803
00:54:49,409 --> 00:54:52,988
items would be approval of the financial statements by cancel,

804
00:54:52,988 --> 00:54:56,108
uh, receipt of signed management representation letter that was provided

805
00:54:56,129 --> 00:55:00,588
to management today. Completion of our subsequent event procedures up

806
00:55:00,609 --> 00:55:04,668
until today's date. And then confirmation of, um, the remaining

807
00:55:04,929 --> 00:55:08,588
legal confirmations that we've sent out as of today's date

808
00:55:08,628 --> 00:55:13,078
to receive back. In terms of the scope of our

809
00:55:13,118 --> 00:55:15,718
audit, so I mentioned the full audit findings letter has

810
00:55:15,718 --> 00:55:18,838
been provided in the council package. We have audited the

811
00:55:18,939 --> 00:55:22,518
financial statements of the municipality, including the consolidated statement of

812
00:55:22,558 --> 00:55:27,718
financial position as at December 31st, 2025. They consolidated statement

813
00:55:27,718 --> 00:55:32,438
of operations accumulated surplus net financial assets and cash flows

814
00:55:32,478 --> 00:55:34,758
for the year ended, as well as the notes to

815
00:55:34,758 --> 00:55:39,303
the financial statement, including the significant encounting policies. Our audit

816
00:55:39,303 --> 00:55:42,823
was conducted in accordance with Canadian generally accepted auditing standards

817
00:55:42,924 --> 00:55:46,823
over the financial statements and financial information prepared by management.

818
00:55:47,564 --> 00:55:50,743
We have completed our procedures over the significant risk areas

819
00:55:50,743 --> 00:55:53,463
that were identified in our audit service plan and no

820
00:55:53,463 --> 00:55:56,343
issues were identified within the audit finding letter, uh, with

821
00:55:56,383 --> 00:56:00,034
respect to those procedures. We did not encounter any significant

822
00:56:00,074 --> 00:56:04,114
difficulties disagreements with management or any limitations on our audit

823
00:56:04,114 --> 00:56:10,805
work. So unless any unforeseen complications arise, our audit report

824
00:56:10,845 --> 00:56:13,685
will be an unmodified clean opinion that the financial statements

825
00:56:13,725 --> 00:56:17,285
are fairly presented in accordance with the Canadian public sector

826
00:56:17,626 --> 00:56:21,365
counting standards. Akin confirm that we remained independent throughout the

827
00:56:21,386 --> 00:56:24,085
engagement and we will issue a formal independence letter of

828
00:56:24,085 --> 00:56:26,805
the same. And then as I mentioned, we've requested that

829
00:56:26,826 --> 00:56:30,405
management provide representations of the work provided to us during

830
00:56:30,426 --> 00:56:35,704
our audit. So just some key financial statement highlights to

831
00:56:35,744 --> 00:56:38,824
make here. So you're looking at the consolidated statement of

832
00:56:38,824 --> 00:56:41,704
financial position, which is included within the financial statements that

833
00:56:41,725 --> 00:56:46,504
were uploaded. This is ASA December 31st, 2025. So a

834
00:56:46,504 --> 00:56:50,744
point in time snapshot at that date. Total financial assets.

835
00:56:50,744 --> 00:56:56,394
We're just over 90 million. Financial liabilities 75 million 545,

836
00:56:56,415 --> 00:57:02,234
000, which led to net financial assets of 14, 548,

837
00:57:02,274 --> 00:57:06,011
000. Non - financial assets, which consist of your tangible

838
00:57:06,272 --> 00:57:11,309
capital assets and prepaids was 300 million. Taking all that

839
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:15,789
into account the accumulated surplus for the town was 315

840
00:57:16,370 --> 00:57:21,975
million for the year. There was a question coming out

841
00:57:21,996 --> 00:57:24,775
of the audit in finance advisory committee that I said

842
00:57:24,815 --> 00:57:26,535
I would get back to. So that will come back

843
00:57:26,535 --> 00:57:29,575
to their meeting, but just for councils, uh, understating as

844
00:57:29,575 --> 00:57:32,215
well. So the question in regards to one of the

845
00:57:32,255 --> 00:57:35,655
notes, note 17 with respect to the aging of taxes

846
00:57:35,676 --> 00:57:38,775
receivable given that that bucket was in the over 20

847
00:57:38,815 --> 00:57:42,055
days and kind of just coming back with, uh, an

848
00:57:42,055 --> 00:57:46,535
assessment of the typicalness of that presentation. So in looking

849
00:57:46,575 --> 00:57:52,135
at similar sized municipalities, um, based on similar billing cycles,

850
00:57:52,156 --> 00:57:55,255
I can confirm that anything kind of over that 90

851
00:57:55,295 --> 00:57:58,695
to 120 days, um, is consistent with a similar billing

852
00:57:58,716 --> 00:58:06,985
cycles and similar seis municipalities. Looking now at the consolidated

853
00:58:07,025 --> 00:58:10,585
statement of financial activities. So this is the operations of

854
00:58:10,766 --> 00:58:18,105
the municipality throughout 2025. Total revenues were 77 million 799,

855
00:58:18,126 --> 00:58:23,065
000 expenses were 54 million six hundred eighty three thousand,

856
00:58:23,065 --> 00:58:25,945
which led to an annual surplus under the PSAS reporting

857
00:58:25,966 --> 00:58:30,745
standards of 23 million 116, 000. So taking that into

858
00:58:31,006 --> 00:58:34,905
account with your beginning accumulated surplus. We reconcile back to

859
00:58:34,905 --> 00:58:37,865
that same accumulated surplus we saw in the first statement

860
00:58:37,905 --> 00:58:46,535
of 315 million. The next statement is the statement and

861
00:58:46,575 --> 00:58:49,415
change in that financial assets. So this takes into account

862
00:58:49,436 --> 00:58:51,655
the annual surplus for the year and the changes in

863
00:58:51,695 --> 00:58:54,535
the non - financial assets to reconcile to the change

864
00:58:54,636 --> 00:58:57,895
in the net financial assets for the year. So starting

865
00:58:57,916 --> 00:59:02,615
out the year with 9, 174, 000 and ending the

866
00:59:02,655 --> 00:59:06,215
year with that 14, 548, 000, which we saw in

867
00:59:06,215 --> 00:59:09,575
the first page, which is your financial assets. Less your

868
00:59:09,575 --> 00:59:15,205
financial liabilities. The last statement in the package is the

869
00:59:15,205 --> 00:59:18,165
statement of cash flows. And this is a reconciliation of

870
00:59:18,205 --> 00:59:21,605
where the cash was provided or used in the year,

871
00:59:21,605 --> 00:59:26,485
taking into account your operations investing capital and financing activities.

872
00:59:26,485 --> 00:59:30,005
So again, starting the reconciliation with the annual surplus and

873
00:59:30,045 --> 00:59:34,245
looking at those provided or uses of caches, uh, whether

874
00:59:34,266 --> 00:59:38,145
that's an investing pieces for capital side of it, the

875
00:59:38,145 --> 00:59:41,525
acquisition of tangible capital assets factors in. So that's a

876
00:59:41,525 --> 00:59:45,685
decrease in cash. And then any repayments of debt or

877
00:59:45,786 --> 00:59:48,725
receipts of any debts to finance those pieces as well.

878
00:59:48,725 --> 00:59:51,285
So take it into account. So during the year, there

879
00:59:51,306 --> 00:59:54,005
was a decrease in cash over all of five million,

880
00:59:54,005 --> 00:59:58,005
which led to the ending cash balance of 63, 667,

881
00:59:58,045 --> 01:00:02,671
000. I'll note too that the policies and no disclosures

882
01:00:02,711 --> 01:00:05,871
are consistently applied from the previous year and a full

883
01:00:05,871 --> 01:00:08,591
copy of the financial statements was provided in the council

884
01:00:08,591 --> 01:00:14,025
package as well. When we look to our audit recommendations,

885
01:00:14,065 --> 01:00:17,305
there was no significant deficiencies in internal controls that were

886
01:00:17,345 --> 01:00:20,905
noted. We do have a couple of best practice findings,

887
01:00:20,905 --> 01:00:23,465
um, around treasury management. So just for the town to

888
01:00:23,486 --> 01:00:26,905
continue to review their cash management strategies, um, to look

889
01:00:26,945 --> 01:00:30,745
at any excess cache, again, looking at kind of future

890
01:00:30,766 --> 01:00:34,105
funding projects that are coming up or investing opportunities as

891
01:00:34,105 --> 01:00:38,643
well. And then on the reserve side, again, just to

892
01:00:38,643 --> 01:00:42,723
continue to monitor for sufficiency for upcoming projects, the funds

893
01:00:42,723 --> 01:00:45,743
that have been set away to finance those pieces. Um,

894
01:00:45,743 --> 01:00:48,723
so again, no significant deficiencies were noted, but just some

895
01:00:48,763 --> 01:00:55,300
best practice considerations around those pieces. In terms of our

896
01:00:55,561 --> 01:00:58,580
unadjusted differences, uh, there was three that were noted here

897
01:00:58,601 --> 01:01:02,100
that management has signed off as part of the engagement.

898
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:05,780
These do not come to our bar of materiality so

899
01:01:05,780 --> 01:01:09,700
they don't impact our opinion given that they were approved.

900
01:01:09,700 --> 01:01:13,780
The first one is an estimate of potential matters that

901
01:01:13,820 --> 01:01:17,300
recovered by insurance or any deductibles in those regards on

902
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:20,740
going operations within the normal course of business. The second

903
01:01:21,081 --> 01:01:23,140
tier just relate to the timing difference of when the

904
01:01:23,401 --> 01:01:26,900
Essex dividends is recorded on the cache basis. Whereas we

905
01:01:26,900 --> 01:01:29,680
would look to the accrual basis for, for PSA. But

906
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,780
as you can see, those amounts are quite similar there.

907
01:01:32,528 --> 01:01:36,107
So overall, uh, the total impact of those unadjusted items

908
01:01:36,208 --> 01:01:42,461
that were approved by management is 165, 000. Lastly, just

909
01:01:42,722 --> 01:01:46,301
a piece that's update. So just providing more details around

910
01:01:46,402 --> 01:01:49,901
the update. The counting standard that is coming for fiscal

911
01:01:49,922 --> 01:01:54,381
year ends beginning, honour, after April 1st, 2026, early adoption

912
01:01:54,381 --> 01:01:57,421
is permitted, but we are expecting to see, um, it

913
01:01:57,461 --> 01:02:01,581
will be permitted when it, they come out with the

914
01:02:01,621 --> 01:02:05,021
fear there. Um, in terms of the changes, the financial

915
01:02:05,061 --> 01:02:07,981
statement of financial position, uh, is expected to have some

916
01:02:08,021 --> 01:02:11,421
presentation changes, but overall no significant changes to any of

917
01:02:11,461 --> 01:02:17,610
the anal surplus or accumulated surplus that's been reported. With

918
01:02:17,610 --> 01:02:21,123
that, I will open it up to any questions. Are

919
01:02:21,163 --> 01:02:27,395
there any questions. Any questions. Seeing none. So thank you

920
01:02:27,395 --> 01:02:33,345
very much for your report. Thank you. And, uh, I

921
01:02:33,385 --> 01:02:38,263
need a motion now to bring forward 11. 3. Moved

922
01:02:38,263 --> 01:02:45,170
by Councillor McArthur, seconded by. Councillor Pouger. Uh, any discussion.

923
01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:53,709
All those in favor. Opposed. That's carried. Okay. So 11.

924
01:02:53,749 --> 01:02:59,000
3 is the year end. Reporting audited consolidated financial statements.

925
01:02:59,750 --> 01:03:07,642
Any questions of staff, uh, Councillor McArthur. Thank you. Deputy

926
01:03:07,663 --> 01:03:11,276
CAO or the CAO. You know, I was always a

927
01:03:11,276 --> 01:03:13,096
words guy. Not at not, not a numbers guy, but

928
01:03:13,096 --> 01:03:15,676
when I read that, I pull a lot of positives

929
01:03:15,716 --> 01:03:19,873
out of that, uh, net financial assets increased. From 9.

930
01:03:19,913 --> 01:03:23,553
2 to 14. 5 million municipal that declined by about

931
01:03:23,654 --> 01:03:28,184
2. 1 million or nine percent. Capital assets up. And

932
01:03:28,184 --> 01:03:31,404
despite all our capital investment, we still had reserves and

933
01:03:31,444 --> 01:03:37,084
reserve funds of about 45 million. So taken together, does

934
01:03:37,084 --> 01:03:43,640
that suggest our financial, uh, position is improving. Council. I'll

935
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,840
certainly defer to, uh, the deputy CIO and also to,

936
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,740
uh, Mr. Mancina, who is our, uh, financial consultant. Um,

937
01:03:50,740 --> 01:03:54,520
but yes, absolutely. Um, all of the indicators are moving

938
01:03:54,621 --> 01:03:57,720
in the appropriate direction. And I would say this is

939
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,440
probably the strongest set of financial statements that we've had

940
01:04:01,021 --> 01:04:03,640
certainly in this term of council. I also think that

941
01:04:03,901 --> 01:04:07,560
the improved financial planning that we've implemented in terms of

942
01:04:07,661 --> 01:04:10,360
moving forward with the seven year capital plan has helped

943
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,800
us to more appropriately plan and stage our projects and

944
01:04:15,901 --> 01:04:18,400
move slowly to a pay as you go model, as

945
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,440
you all know, we've done that with, uh, the new

946
01:04:20,541 --> 01:04:23,560
fire truck that will be purchasing. It's also helped us

947
01:04:23,661 --> 01:04:27,080
to be able to fund some of our ongoing projects

948
01:04:28,301 --> 01:04:31,800
as they are ongoing. And we've delayed the need to

949
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,320
issue debt. And until it was absolutely necessary. So that's

950
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,560
also another positive. So yes, I would say that this

951
01:04:37,901 --> 01:04:41,120
is a good news story. And I will deter to

952
01:04:41,301 --> 01:04:43,360
the CIO or to Mr. Mancini if they have anything

953
01:04:43,381 --> 01:04:52,378
else to add. Through your worship, uh, to, uh, I

954
01:04:52,418 --> 01:04:55,898
would comment similarly to the CAO that certainly this financial

955
01:04:55,919 --> 01:04:59,098
statement and the results do demonstrate a very strong financial

956
01:04:59,279 --> 01:05:02,698
profile. I think I've seen in my work here, looking

957
01:05:02,698 --> 01:05:04,618
back at some of the financials. And I think Ms.

958
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:09,338
Osborne did present a presentation a couple of meetings ago

959
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:12,298
was relates to some other relevant financial indicators. And if

960
01:05:12,338 --> 01:05:17,898
you compare accumulated surplus, uh, total cash, total financial assets,

961
01:05:17,919 --> 01:05:21,578
net financial assets. And you compare, for example, 2017 even

962
01:05:21,578 --> 01:05:25,338
to 2025. You see dramatic improvements in the financial profile

963
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:29,578
of the municipality. And so, yes, very much, uh, councillor

964
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:33,258
McArthur, I think your comments are very much in line

965
01:05:33,258 --> 01:05:35,818
with what you're seeing in terms of these financial statements.

966
01:05:35,818 --> 01:05:38,218
The other thing that I would highlight as well is,

967
01:05:38,218 --> 01:05:40,378
um, we do get a financial indicators report from the

968
01:05:40,479 --> 01:05:44,138
province, municipality does get one every year. Uh, and in

969
01:05:44,178 --> 01:05:48,858
the last financial indicators report, uh, The Municipality had a

970
01:05:49,439 --> 01:05:53,338
low risk indicator, a low risk across all indicators, both

971
01:05:53,439 --> 01:05:56,538
financial and sustainability. And that is a market improvement from

972
01:05:56,799 --> 01:05:59,818
like 2017. So all things are moving in the right

973
01:05:59,818 --> 01:06:02,750
direction. Okay. Thank you. I've got a couple of follow

974
01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:05,470
- ups. So one, am I reading it correctly that

975
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:08,190
because we sort of have cash on hand to internally

976
01:06:08,291 --> 01:06:12,350
finance, you know, some big ticket projects, fire station, water

977
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:15,630
treatment plant that we saved between 1. 3 and 1.

978
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:19,470
5 million in interest. True, Mr. Mayor, two members of

979
01:06:19,731 --> 01:06:24,510
council. Yes. Our ability to fund those projects rather than

980
01:06:24,531 --> 01:06:27,470
issuing debt right from the start based on our cash

981
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:30,670
flow and our reserve levels was projected at about a

982
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:35,623
1. 4 million dollar cost avoidance in interest charges. Okay.

983
01:06:36,044 --> 01:06:38,903
Um, and then we just heard the auditor talk about,

984
01:06:38,903 --> 01:06:42,023
they found no significant deficiencies and internal controls. No issues

985
01:06:42,044 --> 01:06:46,563
identified. Uh, in their testing of significant risk areas, um,

986
01:06:48,844 --> 01:06:52,023
so is it fair, I guess, for the public to

987
01:06:52,023 --> 01:06:58,275
take some, some reassurance from those findings. Through you, Mr.

988
01:06:58,376 --> 01:07:02,035
Mayor, two members of council, I would say yes, understanding

989
01:07:02,136 --> 01:07:06,035
that these audit procedures, uh, only go so far in

990
01:07:06,075 --> 01:07:09,235
depth when they do their audit for those litmus tests

991
01:07:09,235 --> 01:07:13,235
around those sorts of things. However, I certainly defer to,

992
01:07:13,235 --> 01:07:15,955
I believe she is still online. She is, Ashley, if

993
01:07:15,955 --> 01:07:19,235
you want to comment further around that. And certainly Mr.

994
01:07:19,256 --> 01:07:23,075
Mansina, based on your 40 years of municipal audits, what

995
01:07:23,075 --> 01:07:30,760
you have seen around those things as well. Yep. Happy

996
01:07:30,781 --> 01:07:34,520
to comment from our perspective there. Um, As Ms. Bourne.

997
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,400
Osborne mentioned we do a RESPE audit targeted to the

998
01:07:37,581 --> 01:07:41,640
RESP - sections. No findings in that regard, no significant

999
01:07:41,741 --> 01:07:44,920
findings on the internal controls. Uh, we haven't done a

1000
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,720
deep dive on the internal controls more so from reviewing

1001
01:07:47,741 --> 01:07:50,920
the processes and procedures, uh, but for what we're, we're

1002
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,660
seeing there. So I do think from that perspective, um,

1003
01:07:54,701 --> 01:07:57,460
that we've looked at it with an independent lens, um,

1004
01:07:57,741 --> 01:08:01,883
that there's assurance to be gained there. Okay. Thank you

1005
01:08:01,923 --> 01:08:03,803
for that. And just one more. I've got one final

1006
01:08:03,904 --> 01:08:07,323
question. And actually I would appreciate Mr. Mancina's perspective on

1007
01:08:07,363 --> 01:08:09,963
this because he's been around the block. He's been in

1008
01:08:09,984 --> 01:08:13,483
different missing paladies. And also, you know, our staff as

1009
01:08:13,483 --> 01:08:16,443
well. But reserves, you know, it's a constant debate we

1010
01:08:16,443 --> 01:08:18,603
have here, you know, a decade ago or a bit

1011
01:08:18,643 --> 01:08:21,839
longer. We sort of didn't have many left. And, uh,

1012
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,739
or much in the bank and the way in reserves.

1013
01:08:24,739 --> 01:08:27,299
So over time these past eight years, we've been prediligement

1014
01:08:27,339 --> 01:08:31,139
about trying to stock them up again. And we just

1015
01:08:31,139 --> 01:08:33,539
saw, we saved 1. 5 million in interest because we

1016
01:08:33,539 --> 01:08:36,979
have some money. Now we have about 45 million in

1017
01:08:36,979 --> 01:08:39,125
reserve and reserve funds. But I don't know if we're

1018
01:08:39,165 --> 01:08:41,765
out of the woods yet. I mean, MNPs recommended that

1019
01:08:41,805 --> 01:08:44,725
we continue reviewing our reserves to make sure they're sufficient

1020
01:08:44,986 --> 01:08:48,645
for upcoming projects. And we just saw one 52 million

1021
01:08:48,746 --> 01:08:52,885
dollars tonight. So, you know, I guess from an outsider's

1022
01:08:52,885 --> 01:08:56,485
perspective, different municipalities coming at this town. How is our

1023
01:08:56,485 --> 01:08:58,965
reserve level now? Because a lot of times people, they

1024
01:08:58,965 --> 01:09:03,285
can perceive it as overtaxation. It's better in their pockets

1025
01:09:03,325 --> 01:09:05,685
than in ours, but also we have some big ticket

1026
01:09:05,685 --> 01:09:09,285
projects coming up. And, uh, you never know, uh, when

1027
01:09:09,306 --> 01:09:12,005
it might rain. So how do you determine a healthy

1028
01:09:12,005 --> 01:09:14,365
reserve balance and how is our town doing compared to

1029
01:09:14,426 --> 01:09:20,578
comparator municipalities. Thank you for the question through you, Mr.

1030
01:09:20,578 --> 01:09:24,598
Mayor, to Councillor McArthur. So in terms of the reserve

1031
01:09:24,619 --> 01:09:26,918
fund balance, it's certainly looking at the history of the

1032
01:09:26,939 --> 01:09:29,718
statements and looking at the reserve fund balances are absolutely

1033
01:09:29,819 --> 01:09:32,678
has been a market improvement in that. I think what's

1034
01:09:32,678 --> 01:09:38,438
really important is, um, your funding strategies, as CAO has

1035
01:09:38,459 --> 01:09:40,638
indicated has changed over the last number of years. So

1036
01:09:40,638 --> 01:09:45,398
rather than funding capital works through debt issuance on our

1037
01:09:45,438 --> 01:09:48,438
regularized basis for sort of your routine and ongoing capital

1038
01:09:48,438 --> 01:09:51,398
works, there's been a shift where you're funding those on

1039
01:09:51,499 --> 01:09:55,398
a seven year plan and funding them from revenues that

1040
01:09:55,398 --> 01:09:58,838
are generated and reserved funds that are available on an

1041
01:09:58,878 --> 01:10:00,758
ongoing and sort of a pag as you go basis.

1042
01:10:00,758 --> 01:10:02,918
So I think that's really an important element of it.

1043
01:10:02,918 --> 01:10:05,798
So while the reserve funds do appear healthy and they

1044
01:10:05,798 --> 01:10:07,798
are up here healthy, room to continue to build on

1045
01:10:07,838 --> 01:10:11,558
that, recognising as well that, um, a number of those

1046
01:10:11,558 --> 01:10:14,438
are also deferred revenue, which means there are certain legislative

1047
01:10:14,459 --> 01:10:17,558
requirements around those deferred revenues that they must be spent

1048
01:10:17,979 --> 01:10:21,878
for investments specific to development charges, for example. And so

1049
01:10:21,878 --> 01:10:24,438
forth. And so to some extent, that limits your ability

1050
01:10:24,539 --> 01:10:28,438
to leverage investing it in long - term investments that

1051
01:10:28,438 --> 01:10:29,958
don't allow you to draw it based on looking at

1052
01:10:29,998 --> 01:10:33,238
your capital works program. So I think the short answer

1053
01:10:33,259 --> 01:10:35,638
to it is I think you have absolutely some healthy

1054
01:10:35,659 --> 01:10:38,578
reserves. But I think it requires due diligence in the

1055
01:10:38,578 --> 01:10:41,238
part of administration and council to continue to monitor those

1056
01:10:41,259 --> 01:10:44,278
very closely on an ongoing basis to ensure that they're

1057
01:10:44,278 --> 01:10:50,263
matched. Against your capital program. And to reserve sort of

1058
01:10:50,263 --> 01:10:53,023
the dead issuance for those sort of long - term

1059
01:10:54,004 --> 01:10:56,783
multi - generational projects that can't be funded perhaps through

1060
01:10:56,823 --> 01:11:00,703
those reserves. But allowing further regular day - to -

1061
01:11:00,703 --> 01:11:03,903
day capital works program leveraging grant funding to be able

1062
01:11:03,903 --> 01:11:06,703
to draw on those reserve as much as you're able

1063
01:11:06,703 --> 01:11:11,216
to. Just add to that a little bit. So, um,

1064
01:11:12,377 --> 01:11:15,476
Mr. Mancina had spoken about some of your reserves being

1065
01:11:15,476 --> 01:11:18,756
more dedicated. And you had commented councillor around some people

1066
01:11:18,857 --> 01:11:22,016
thinking, well, these reserves are they not high enough. Can

1067
01:11:22,016 --> 01:11:24,836
you stop taxing us? So in relation to what Mr.

1068
01:11:24,937 --> 01:11:27,156
Mansina is saying, some of those reserves are made up

1069
01:11:27,156 --> 01:11:31,796
of OSIP funding Canadian Community benefit DC's grants. They account

1070
01:11:31,796 --> 01:11:34,516
for almost 22 million dollars worth of your reserves. So

1071
01:11:34,556 --> 01:11:38,036
those are things that are not taxpayer - based funded.

1072
01:11:38,036 --> 01:11:40,916
They are a third party and or developer charges. So,

1073
01:11:40,956 --> 01:11:43,636
so taking those out of the equation leaves the rest

1074
01:11:43,676 --> 01:11:48,036
of your tax sort of based ones, especially the general

1075
01:11:48,057 --> 01:11:51,076
reserves. So your asset management program over the last several

1076
01:11:51,177 --> 01:11:56,276
years, this council has been making appropriate investments in increasing

1077
01:11:56,316 --> 01:11:59,396
those reserves. And the result of that is you have

1078
01:11:59,436 --> 01:12:03,476
a seven year forecasted capital budget that you can execute.

1079
01:12:03,476 --> 01:12:06,356
We've been able to fund the fire hall and the

1080
01:12:06,377 --> 01:12:09,316
water reservoir project knowing they were coming within your existing

1081
01:12:10,057 --> 01:12:13,236
dollars. We have been able to fund a three million

1082
01:12:13,337 --> 01:12:16,196
dollar fire truck by planning it over those five years

1083
01:12:16,777 --> 01:12:19,076
based on the funding that we need to pay as

1084
01:12:19,337 --> 01:12:23,419
that. Unit gets built before it is delivered. And you're

1085
01:12:23,419 --> 01:12:27,739
avoiding putting in Mr. Mincyna mentioned this. You're avoiding issuing

1086
01:12:27,779 --> 01:12:30,539
debt for projects that are in the neighbourhood of 400,

1087
01:12:30,579 --> 01:12:37,019
000 dollars, 245, 000 dollars. 123, 000 dollars

1088
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,579
funded by issuing debt. You're now funding those directly out

1089
01:12:45,619 --> 01:12:48,539
of your capital program leveraging the reserves that you are

1090
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,939
building and still sustaining appropriate reserves to pivot and move

1091
01:12:52,979 --> 01:12:54,779
on new projects that you may want to deal with

1092
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,379
as well. So it may seem, um, and it's always

1093
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,619
that, that dangerous balance of how much is enough before

1094
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,219
we start increasing the taxes. However, at this point, these

1095
01:13:06,259 --> 01:13:09,579
things have avoided the issuance of debt on many projects.

1096
01:13:10,771 --> 01:13:14,350
That before we're quite small that you were issuing dead

1097
01:13:14,611 --> 01:13:22,270
on. Any other questions, I saw Councillor Crane first and

1098
01:13:22,270 --> 01:13:26,303
then Councillor Pouge. Do you want to mention the committee

1099
01:13:26,724 --> 01:13:29,263
also met on this? Ashley mentioned a variety of the

1100
01:13:29,263 --> 01:13:33,503
points as well. But the committee supported the presentation and,

1101
01:13:33,503 --> 01:13:35,503
uh, the report. So I just want to let Council

1102
01:13:35,503 --> 01:13:45,236
know that. Councillor Pouger. Thank you Mr. Mayor.

1103
01:13:46,335 --> 01:13:50,474
Julie, I do find this report surprising because eight months

1104
01:13:50,474 --> 01:13:54,234
ago, uh, we were told that we had the highest

1105
01:13:54,415 --> 01:13:58,809
deck per capita and our reserves were at risk. This

1106
01:13:58,830 --> 01:14:04,772
was when we were entering into, um, budget deliberations. And

1107
01:14:04,812 --> 01:14:07,972
so does the, and at the time we were told

1108
01:14:08,012 --> 01:14:11,412
that our fire hall was going to actually cost us

1109
01:14:12,953 --> 01:14:18,278
23 point some million with 30 years debentures. And that

1110
01:14:18,619 --> 01:14:23,238
our proposed water treatment plant could cause us up to,

1111
01:14:23,238 --> 01:14:29,193
um, for the expansion up to 35 million dollars. So

1112
01:14:29,694 --> 01:14:32,793
why does it seem like it's so different now? It's

1113
01:14:33,614 --> 01:14:37,513
a difference between night and day, eight months ago until

1114
01:14:37,534 --> 01:14:41,631
now. But through you, Mr. Mayor, who provided those specific

1115
01:14:41,812 --> 01:14:44,351
comments? Because I don't recall those statements being made by

1116
01:14:44,612 --> 01:14:49,231
administration. Yes. They were made by administration. We were cautioned

1117
01:14:49,271 --> 01:14:52,031
over and over again to be careful about taking money

1118
01:14:52,212 --> 01:14:59,794
out of reserves. During budget deliberations. Taking money out of

1119
01:14:59,815 --> 01:15:04,834
reserves in order to avoid tax increases potentially. However, the

1120
01:15:04,874 --> 01:15:07,394
numbers that you're quoting with respect to how much the

1121
01:15:07,394 --> 01:15:10,714
debt will cause for the fire hauler water reclamation, I

1122
01:15:10,714 --> 01:15:14,674
don't believe where statements of administration, but other members of

1123
01:15:15,255 --> 01:15:19,074
council and residents that based on the total cost associated

1124
01:15:19,095 --> 01:15:21,474
with it once you factor in all of the interest

1125
01:15:21,474 --> 01:15:25,394
over those years. But the project itself costs the 11

1126
01:15:25,575 --> 01:15:28,674
point, whatever million we're issuing for dead. So I'm just

1127
01:15:28,714 --> 01:15:34,434
trying to understand. So what is it with the debentures?

1128
01:15:34,434 --> 01:15:37,714
How long are we going to be venturing and went?

1129
01:15:37,714 --> 01:15:40,754
What is the total cost for it? So that is

1130
01:15:40,754 --> 01:15:43,314
report is actually on the agenda this evening. If you'd

1131
01:15:43,314 --> 01:15:45,074
like to save those questions for when we go to

1132
01:15:45,074 --> 01:15:48,034
that report, I'm happy to answer them. Okay. Um, and

1133
01:15:48,034 --> 01:15:52,274
then the other question is, um, for our building reserve,

1134
01:15:52,274 --> 01:15:59,154
uh, building reserve fund is only, the interest is only

1135
01:15:59,575 --> 01:16:05,224
0. 36 percent. And the building reserve capital interests is

1136
01:16:05,405 --> 01:16:12,091
only 0. 354 percent. And that appears to be, uh,

1137
01:16:12,452 --> 01:16:16,431
far below the inflation. And I believe that was one

1138
01:16:16,431 --> 01:16:20,751
of the questions from the audit and finance committee that

1139
01:16:20,751 --> 01:16:23,868
they were concerned about this. So I do not recall

1140
01:16:23,908 --> 01:16:27,068
that question being brought up at audit and finance. However,

1141
01:16:27,089 --> 01:16:31,468
Councillor for clarity, your assertion is that there is no

1142
01:16:31,649 --> 01:16:36,508
interest that is earned on the building operating fund reserve

1143
01:16:36,609 --> 01:16:39,308
or the capital operating fund reserve. Is that what I'm

1144
01:16:39,329 --> 01:16:48,132
understanding your. Comment is. Inflation. The interest on it.

1145
01:16:49,111 --> 01:16:53,614
How is that calculated. I'm just curious as to your

1146
01:16:53,654 --> 01:16:59,460
source. Well, I believe it was in the report. On

1147
01:16:59,460 --> 01:17:05,780
what page. In front of me.

1148
01:17:16,571 --> 01:17:19,030
All I can suggest you have the question. Can you

1149
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:20,710
get back to the councillor in a day or two

1150
01:17:20,731 --> 01:17:22,230
if you can find it? Or if she can get

1151
01:17:22,230 --> 01:17:24,310
back to you in a day or two, if she

1152
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:26,988
can find it. Yes, that would be helpful. I think

1153
01:17:26,988 --> 01:17:29,228
that's the only thing we can do at this juncture.

1154
01:17:30,656 --> 01:17:37,114
Okay. Any other questions. Councillor Courtney. Every year at the

1155
01:17:37,114 --> 01:17:39,594
year end, just same question pops up. So we talk

1156
01:17:39,594 --> 01:17:42,394
about reserve building as Council McCarth said how, where should

1157
01:17:42,394 --> 01:17:45,034
we be? What's the threshold? I know capital. There's a

1158
01:17:45,034 --> 01:17:46,474
lot of moving parts. And you always look at the

1159
01:17:46,514 --> 01:17:50,642
final line, your surplus. And this year it was, uh,

1160
01:17:50,763 --> 01:17:56,113
it was 2. 141 million dollars. That saving accept. So

1161
01:17:56,113 --> 01:18:00,233
the 483, 000 dollar WSIB rebate that doesn't happen very

1162
01:18:00,254 --> 01:18:03,379
often, correct? Well, my story I'm going to talk in.

1163
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:06,499
Are you referring to the urine surpluses, councillor? I think

1164
01:18:06,539 --> 01:18:09,939
it's a different report that you're referring to. We're not

1165
01:18:09,939 --> 01:18:13,539
an 11. 4. I got an 11. Foot. Oh, my

1166
01:18:13,539 --> 01:18:16,786
bad. Okay. I'll see you on the way. Okay. Any

1167
01:18:16,807 --> 01:18:24,641
other questions for 2025. In the other. Uh, Councillor is

1168
01:18:24,641 --> 01:18:30,033
moving to staff recommendations. Seconded by Councillor Crane, any discussion.

1169
01:18:31,524 --> 01:18:36,987
Seeing no discussions, all those in favor. Opposed. Well, I

1170
01:18:37,027 --> 01:18:41,067
saw a majority vote for it anyway. Okay. I think

1171
01:18:41,168 --> 01:18:44,747
discussion was going elsewhere. Okay. Which takes us to the

1172
01:18:44,848 --> 01:18:51,112
only delegation 10. 1 has cancelled. So it's 10. 2

1173
01:18:51,152 --> 01:19:00,472
is the only delegation. And that is Marco Gardonio on

1174
01:19:00,573 --> 01:19:08,874
item 13. 5. So by 10. 1 being cancelled, are

1175
01:19:08,874 --> 01:19:15,220
you referring to the delegate being here? Yes. It's Orin.

1176
01:19:15,641 --> 01:19:18,820
Zorro and vasic informed the clerk that he's not coming.

1177
01:19:21,129 --> 01:19:25,788
Okay. So the delegation is cancelled. But what we do

1178
01:19:25,788 --> 01:19:31,140
have a delegation on the same, uh, matter. Yeah. On

1179
01:19:31,180 --> 01:19:37,592
the same matter, um, Marco, um, Gardonio. Is Marco here.

1180
01:19:39,965 --> 01:19:49,224
Come on up. Uh.

1181
01:19:51,777 --> 01:19:56,580
Good evening Mayor and council. I'm here in regards to

1182
01:19:56,921 --> 01:20:01,708
the McCurdy Drive. My name is Marco Gardonio. I'm the

1183
01:20:01,708 --> 01:20:07,144
current heavy construction. Heavy construction association president of Windsor. And

1184
01:20:07,165 --> 01:20:12,458
Dwayne Dawson director. Is with me. I'm here on behalf

1185
01:20:12,498 --> 01:20:17,258
of that association who build our roads. Our water mains

1186
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:21,946
are sewers, our structures. Uh, to address the buy Ontario

1187
01:20:21,986 --> 01:20:27,505
Directive. That has been included and has been brought on

1188
01:20:27,846 --> 01:20:34,545
by the province onto municipalities buyers sellers of goods and

1189
01:20:34,545 --> 01:20:39,651
services from the government. Over the last few days, our

1190
01:20:39,651 --> 01:20:46,451
association has made contact with the, uh, town staff. And

1191
01:20:46,451 --> 01:20:50,311
on the Bio, Ontario and how they are being applied

1192
01:20:50,412 --> 01:20:54,439
on the construction tenders within the town of Amsburg. Those

1193
01:20:54,780 --> 01:20:58,884
conversations have started to become more open and constructive. And

1194
01:20:58,905 --> 01:21:02,964
staff have informed me that they are looking more at

1195
01:21:03,004 --> 01:21:08,244
the commitment aspect when appropriate. I should also say that

1196
01:21:08,825 --> 01:21:13,684
our association has nothing against biontario. We are the Ontario

1197
01:21:13,865 --> 01:21:18,922
content. Our people live here are people work here. Our

1198
01:21:18,962 --> 01:21:22,482
equipment is here. They aggregate the pipe. Everything is from

1199
01:21:22,583 --> 01:21:26,543
here. The only question we have is the method that

1200
01:21:26,644 --> 01:21:30,690
the province offers. And works best with this kind of

1201
01:21:30,911 --> 01:21:38,034
work, the heavy construction. Uh, the province is given municipalities

1202
01:21:38,775 --> 01:21:42,754
more than one way to do this, uh, requirement that

1203
01:21:42,794 --> 01:21:46,799
they've put down on, onto us. Uh, there's the evaluated

1204
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:53,001
approach, which McCurdy used. And gives where each bidder puts

1205
01:21:53,001 --> 01:21:58,121
a number that they, we feel sometimes. It's very hard

1206
01:21:58,142 --> 01:22:03,244
to determine at time of tender sometimes. How much Ontario

1207
01:22:03,345 --> 01:22:08,609
content is actually in. The project. So it's, it's an

1208
01:22:08,649 --> 01:22:13,741
arbitrary number that the contractors are filling in. But this

1209
01:22:13,842 --> 01:22:18,506
number gives an advantage. To when you're using that evaluated

1210
01:22:18,527 --> 01:22:22,601
method. To the bidder who puts the most Ontario content

1211
01:22:22,782 --> 01:22:28,789
in their price, in their form on your tender. Which

1212
01:22:29,290 --> 01:22:36,678
can have real consequences. With costs and thing which it

1213
01:22:36,678 --> 01:22:42,085
looks like based on the report. Happened at McCurdy. So

1214
01:22:43,066 --> 01:22:47,530
our association. Thinks that price should always dictate the lowest

1215
01:22:47,570 --> 01:22:52,525
price. And that the preferred method should be a commitment

1216
01:22:52,626 --> 01:23:01,874
method rather than the evaluated method. The difference

1217
01:23:02,695 --> 01:23:05,954
is between each bidder for Ontario content on these projects

1218
01:23:06,215 --> 01:23:11,314
is very minimal. It's sometimes only one to two percent

1219
01:23:11,495 --> 01:23:16,283
difference between each bidder. If they filled out the forms

1220
01:23:16,323 --> 01:23:22,283
properly. Sometimes it gets, it's hard, it's brand new and

1221
01:23:22,304 --> 01:23:27,723
it's very hard for contractors to figure it out. Both

1222
01:23:27,824 --> 01:23:30,923
contractors then I think administration because it's brand new to

1223
01:23:30,963 --> 01:23:39,053
all of us. So. The difference is that. There's no

1224
01:23:39,314 --> 01:23:45,297
offshoring. There's no foreign bidders bidding on municipal contracts. Most

1225
01:23:45,297 --> 01:23:52,255
municipal contracts. And using a scored method is just a

1226
01:23:52,295 --> 01:23:57,703
separation of a few points. And no actual benefit. To

1227
01:23:57,743 --> 01:24:06,101
Ontario in that sense. So going with extra money. To

1228
01:24:06,141 --> 01:24:09,577
the municipality if they're using that method. And I want

1229
01:24:09,577 --> 01:24:14,137
to be clear that I'm not criticizing counsel or not

1230
01:24:14,318 --> 01:24:19,221
council administration. Uh, the method used was one, the province

1231
01:24:19,802 --> 01:24:23,167
allowed for. It permits. And it's set out in the

1232
01:24:23,268 --> 01:24:26,595
tendered arguments. To all the bidders. And they use that

1233
01:24:26,776 --> 01:24:31,957
criteria. But what I want to ask is that going

1234
01:24:32,138 --> 01:24:38,677
forward, the report that council received on McCurdy shows the

1235
01:24:39,018 --> 01:24:44,128
10 percent advantage. And how it was calculated. And how

1236
01:24:44,168 --> 01:24:47,488
each bidder put it in. I don't believe that is

1237
01:24:47,528 --> 01:24:51,810
in the report. For McCurdy right now. It just states

1238
01:24:52,231 --> 01:24:57,576
who had the lowest Ontario content. And that would be

1239
01:24:57,597 --> 01:25:07,417
useful for administration and council. For future contracts. Okay.

1240
01:25:07,438 --> 01:25:09,337
Are you finished? I was just going to say the

1241
01:25:09,358 --> 01:25:11,477
five minutes are up. Oh, is it? Okay. Do you

1242
01:25:11,477 --> 01:25:14,137
need more time? I do. Okay. Then is there a

1243
01:25:14,137 --> 01:25:17,577
motion to extend move by Councillor Layer seconded by Councillor

1244
01:25:17,577 --> 01:25:24,991
McArthur. Posed? Go ahead. All right. Thank you. So the

1245
01:25:25,031 --> 01:25:30,226
commitment approach avoids these problems. Of where the lowest bid

1246
01:25:30,266 --> 01:25:34,188
does not win the project. And a threshold can be

1247
01:25:34,228 --> 01:25:38,748
set. The town of Essex or the county of Esthix

1248
01:25:38,769 --> 01:25:45,708
have this threshold that they've set the municipal, uh, associations

1249
01:25:45,708 --> 01:25:52,108
of SET, other municipalities have set thresholds, the MTO have

1250
01:25:52,129 --> 01:25:56,508
a threshold of 51 percent. It's, it's different. And it

1251
01:25:56,548 --> 01:26:00,836
requires market research. Which, uh, our association could help with

1252
01:26:02,297 --> 01:26:05,981
and are willing to help with. Applying. And.

1253
01:26:14,129 --> 01:26:20,268
We want to counsel two, so our association wants counsel

1254
01:26:20,268 --> 01:26:26,532
to align that the commitment method is. The standard. And

1255
01:26:26,653 --> 01:26:31,272
when it has to get away from the commitment method,

1256
01:26:31,272 --> 01:26:35,592
that they administration has a reason to go away from

1257
01:26:35,592 --> 01:26:40,872
that commitment method because that's the simplest and the fairest

1258
01:26:40,872 --> 01:26:47,599
method for contractors when they're bidding on projects. And with

1259
01:26:47,639 --> 01:26:52,557
that. I'd like to, uh, thank you for your time.

1260
01:26:52,964 --> 01:26:55,903
And thank you again to the administration for the discussions

1261
01:26:56,004 --> 01:27:00,949
to date. And I'm happy to take any questions. Questions.

1262
01:27:00,949 --> 01:27:09,167
Councillor Pouche. Thank you Mr. Mayor. Through you to Marco.

1263
01:27:10,684 --> 01:27:15,512
Thank you for your presentation. So, um. It appears that

1264
01:27:15,613 --> 01:27:24,152
we awarded construction company, a contract for 121, 800 dollars

1265
01:27:24,653 --> 01:27:31,766
more than the lowest spitter. Is that bitch. I believe

1266
01:27:31,867 --> 01:27:35,606
I believe that's what the report says. I didn't, I

1267
01:27:35,606 --> 01:27:40,726
think that should be directed to. So it's 121, 800

1268
01:27:40,747 --> 01:27:46,739
dollars more. For the same product. Same service. Local suppliers.

1269
01:27:47,924 --> 01:27:55,284
Subcontractors. Uh, same pits, plants and materials. Is that a

1270
01:27:55,324 --> 01:28:01,978
fair statement. Uh. Yeah, it's not, not directed that me

1271
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:05,614
more than that. I couldn't say that. Yeah. I feel

1272
01:28:05,654 --> 01:28:12,654
like that's for administration. I think if to staff. Yeah.

1273
01:28:12,755 --> 01:28:20,654
Out director's just that. Okay. So my question was, why

1274
01:28:20,654 --> 01:28:26,997
wouldn't we save our taxpayers? 121, 800 dollars. When we

1275
01:28:26,997 --> 01:28:32,197
have one of the most. Who is the question too?

1276
01:28:32,618 --> 01:28:37,018
I'll direct it to Todd. Well, we're not on that

1277
01:28:37,018 --> 01:28:40,698
yet. We're still dealing with the, okay, so if you

1278
01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:43,158
want to save that question, it's a good one. Um,

1279
01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:46,538
but, uh, are there any more questions of the deputy.

1280
01:28:47,492 --> 01:28:51,325
Councillor Aler. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I just had

1281
01:28:51,325 --> 01:28:53,725
a quick question because I was trying to type down

1282
01:28:53,986 --> 01:28:56,205
the approaches you were talking about. You want to seize

1283
01:28:56,205 --> 01:28:59,645
the commitment method. What was the other method that you

1284
01:28:59,986 --> 01:29:04,685
stated we used? The evaluated method. Do you mean this

1285
01:29:04,786 --> 01:29:08,925
palette or which the town of atmosphere had used on

1286
01:29:08,946 --> 01:29:16,421
McCurdy. Thank you. Any other questions at the deputy. Okay.

1287
01:29:16,421 --> 01:29:20,581
Then, uh, motion to receive the deputation. Councillor Crane seconded

1288
01:29:20,581 --> 01:29:24,501
by Councillor Lair. Any discussion, all those in favor. Pose.

1289
01:29:24,541 --> 01:29:27,701
Thank you very much for bringing this forward. Now questions

1290
01:29:28,042 --> 01:29:31,444
of staff and I'll go right to. Oh, sorry. Yes.

1291
01:29:31,444 --> 01:29:33,604
I have to bring forward 13. 5 so that we

1292
01:29:33,604 --> 01:29:39,044
can do that. Motion to bring forward councillor McArthur, seconded

1293
01:29:39,044 --> 01:29:42,804
bike, uh, Councillor Allaire, all those in favor opposed. That's

1294
01:29:42,804 --> 01:29:45,924
carried. We now have 13. 5 in front of us.

1295
01:29:45,924 --> 01:29:48,404
Questions of staff. Now I'm going to go to Councillor

1296
01:29:48,425 --> 01:29:51,764
Pouger because she was trying to ask them, no, staff

1297
01:29:51,764 --> 01:29:55,383
can answer these. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Through you to

1298
01:29:55,564 --> 01:30:02,244
Todd. So why wouldn't we save our taxpayers 121, 800

1299
01:30:02,244 --> 01:30:06,136
dollars. When we have one, like it just doesn't make

1300
01:30:06,176 --> 01:30:12,136
sense to me. I know the By Ontario Act exists.

1301
01:30:12,136 --> 01:30:15,736
But with this gentleman says it's really hard to determine

1302
01:30:16,477 --> 01:30:23,256
if the second bidder will actually use one hundred percent

1303
01:30:23,437 --> 01:30:30,261
of Canadian products. Okay. I think the question is to

1304
01:30:30,301 --> 01:30:33,781
the deputy CAO. I know you're looking down to Mr.

1305
01:30:33,882 --> 01:30:36,581
Huet, but I think the question is a financial one.

1306
01:30:37,638 --> 01:30:40,657
Financial and purchasing related. So I'm going to start and

1307
01:30:40,657 --> 01:30:42,497
then I will pass it over to our manager of

1308
01:30:42,678 --> 01:30:47,217
purchasing Capitol and Reserves, Ms. Little, after, uh, my comments.

1309
01:30:47,217 --> 01:30:50,737
So much in line with, uh, what was just said

1310
01:30:50,777 --> 01:30:55,377
by the delegate, uh, The Construction Industry is also finding

1311
01:30:55,558 --> 01:30:59,777
it difficult to determine what percentage of, uh, by Ontario

1312
01:30:59,878 --> 01:31:03,697
content, they are actually putting forward when we deal with

1313
01:31:04,198 --> 01:31:07,217
a submission much like The Purchasing Process that we followed

1314
01:31:07,478 --> 01:31:10,590
in accordance with the Biontario. The other option of the

1315
01:31:10,691 --> 01:31:14,910
commitment method, which when this particular tender went out, we

1316
01:31:15,171 --> 01:31:19,950
had, um, consultants provide for us information to help us

1317
01:31:19,971 --> 01:31:22,510
trying to determine whether or not the commitment method was

1318
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:26,510
something that the town could stand firmly on and be

1319
01:31:26,531 --> 01:31:28,430
certain that if we were challenged by any of the

1320
01:31:28,451 --> 01:31:33,150
bidders, we knew for certain X percentage of that tender

1321
01:31:33,571 --> 01:31:37,070
could feasibly be by Ontario. And we have to have

1322
01:31:37,251 --> 01:31:40,510
documented evidence and market research to confirm that we actually

1323
01:31:40,771 --> 01:31:44,190
know that and can stand on that grounds. Otherwise, we

1324
01:31:44,611 --> 01:31:48,430
face the risk of legal prosecution around it from anybody

1325
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:51,390
else. So much the same as the challenges that the

1326
01:31:51,390 --> 01:31:54,830
construction industry is going through, we were faced with that.

1327
01:31:54,830 --> 01:31:56,430
And we had one person at the time that was

1328
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:59,430
trying to figure it out. So we chose based on

1329
01:31:59,430 --> 01:32:03,630
the consultants lack of recommended direction on which method they

1330
01:32:03,651 --> 01:32:06,110
thought would be better. The one that would put the

1331
01:32:06,371 --> 01:32:11,310
responsibility on the construction industry to firmly definitively state what

1332
01:32:11,811 --> 01:32:15,310
their attestation was to Ontario content. The way the process

1333
01:32:15,491 --> 01:32:19,230
works is the group that comes back with the highest

1334
01:32:19,571 --> 01:32:22,350
Ontario content. And it didn't have to be a hundred

1335
01:32:22,350 --> 01:32:24,670
percent. It's just the highest percentage, which I believe they

1336
01:32:24,710 --> 01:32:27,950
were in the eighties in this particular case. They get

1337
01:32:29,251 --> 01:32:33,774
a arbitrary 10 percent reduction from their price. To make

1338
01:32:33,795 --> 01:32:36,334
them more comparable to everybody else. So in this case,

1339
01:32:36,675 --> 01:32:40,174
they're 10 percent reduction resulted in their price being less

1340
01:32:40,214 --> 01:32:43,044
than the lowest bidder. Which through the definition of the

1341
01:32:43,225 --> 01:32:48,564
new legislation, we are required to then take that lower

1342
01:32:48,745 --> 01:32:52,015
bid. Now, I want to clarify a couple of things.

1343
01:32:54,380 --> 01:32:58,679
Because the entire tender, including the extra 122, 000 as

1344
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:03,479
a result of having to implement by Ontario came forward,

1345
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:06,599
this is over our budget. Council then has the ability

1346
01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:09,870
to reject this tender. And we can revisit it at

1347
01:33:09,870 --> 01:33:12,510
a later date. I will, however, strongly encourage that if

1348
01:33:12,510 --> 01:33:14,750
council is going down that path, you should speak with

1349
01:33:14,851 --> 01:33:17,710
Mr. Hewitt as to what those implications are in deferring

1350
01:33:17,710 --> 01:33:21,390
this particular project. It's also important to understand that the

1351
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:24,750
project was over budget regardless. The 122 just put it

1352
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:29,550
that much further. So we should not expect that reissuing

1353
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:33,070
this tender under a commitment base would result in a

1354
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:35,150
tender price that would come in on the budget that's

1355
01:33:35,190 --> 01:33:41,646
already defined. The other thing to understand is. You cannot

1356
01:33:41,987 --> 01:33:47,280
reject. Had this come in on budget and had the

1357
01:33:47,701 --> 01:33:51,360
second highest one actually been awarded because of the Biontario

1358
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:56,720
legislation. You are not allowed to reject it without ramifications

1359
01:33:57,141 --> 01:34:00,080
against that legislative act. So had this all come in

1360
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,952
within budget, including the extra 122. Council would not have

1361
01:34:03,952 --> 01:34:06,352
the option. You do have the option to cancel it

1362
01:34:06,693 --> 01:34:09,629
because you came in over budget. And therefore that is

1363
01:34:09,669 --> 01:34:16,904
a discretion that you have. We are working towards determining

1364
01:34:17,085 --> 01:34:20,184
as much inventorium formation as we can in market research

1365
01:34:20,445 --> 01:34:27,624
about when projects are actually confident that it is Ontario.

1366
01:34:27,624 --> 01:34:30,264
And in many cases locally. The other tender before you

1367
01:34:30,285 --> 01:34:33,384
this evening that closed last week was the sidewalk tender.

1368
01:34:33,384 --> 01:34:35,944
We set that one as a commitment one. We knew

1369
01:34:35,984 --> 01:34:39,704
that the material content, the major component of it was

1370
01:34:39,885 --> 01:34:42,264
concrete. We know not only can you source it in

1371
01:34:42,264 --> 01:34:44,344
Ontario. You can do it at our own backyard. So

1372
01:34:44,445 --> 01:34:47,464
we were confident that was a definitive market research and

1373
01:34:47,485 --> 01:34:49,384
we issued it that way. It's come in. It's before

1374
01:34:49,565 --> 01:34:52,504
council tonight. There is another tender. Did it go out

1375
01:34:52,504 --> 01:34:56,904
today? Um, which is also a large project. It's related

1376
01:34:56,904 --> 01:35:00,824
to the southeast quadrant. And it is also commitment -

1377
01:35:00,824 --> 01:35:04,424
based. We worked with our team, with other parties that

1378
01:35:04,464 --> 01:35:06,144
we have been dealing with. And we are able to

1379
01:35:06,445 --> 01:35:10,744
confidently say that we can defend a market research that

1380
01:35:11,085 --> 01:35:14,824
a certain percentage of it can absolutely be bintario and

1381
01:35:14,824 --> 01:35:16,584
therefore that is how that one was issued as well.

1382
01:35:17,325 --> 01:35:20,744
So I just want to make clear to everybody. This

1383
01:35:20,744 --> 01:35:23,441
is, this is not a simple process. As it was

1384
01:35:23,441 --> 01:35:26,401
said from the delegation. It's not simple for the industry

1385
01:35:26,422 --> 01:35:29,761
that does this every day. Um, you can fully expect

1386
01:35:29,862 --> 01:35:32,961
that this legislation probably costs us more money. That is

1387
01:35:33,382 --> 01:35:37,742
site unseen. The 122 is apparent. There are additional costs

1388
01:35:37,742 --> 01:35:40,942
that the construction industry is bearing in order to generate

1389
01:35:41,123 --> 01:35:43,502
this data do their own markets research and fill all

1390
01:35:43,502 --> 01:35:46,462
of this out that most certainly is probably being passed

1391
01:35:46,502 --> 01:35:49,222
along and not in all cases are we going to

1392
01:35:49,222 --> 01:35:52,702
have this situation. Unfortunately, our first one out The Gate

1393
01:35:52,963 --> 01:35:55,548
was not a commitment - based. We did not feel

1394
01:35:55,649 --> 01:35:58,668
it was the right way to go in the first

1395
01:35:58,708 --> 01:36:02,408
instance. Um, and this is where we are today, but

1396
01:36:02,689 --> 01:36:05,548
it is Council's Perview to reject this and not proceed

1397
01:36:05,588 --> 01:36:08,268
forward because you're over budget. The only caution I would

1398
01:36:08,268 --> 01:36:10,988
give you is that Mr. Huet obviously put that tender

1399
01:36:11,028 --> 01:36:13,308
out for a reason. And we should probably understand the

1400
01:36:13,329 --> 01:36:16,588
implications of postponing it. And you should be aware that

1401
01:36:16,689 --> 01:36:21,241
you were over budget anyways. Regardless of the 122 differential

1402
01:36:21,502 --> 01:36:24,841
because of the different types of bio - Ontario. I

1403
01:36:24,862 --> 01:36:28,441
will, however, defer at this point to Ms. Little, because

1404
01:36:28,462 --> 01:36:32,041
I think council needs to understand how the legislation came

1405
01:36:32,081 --> 01:36:35,481
down and what efforts our team have been doing and

1406
01:36:35,502 --> 01:36:38,041
who they've been working with to understand this very complex

1407
01:36:38,222 --> 01:36:41,481
legislation. It seems really high level and simple when you

1408
01:36:41,582 --> 01:36:45,161
just say 51 percent whatever they submit. There's a far

1409
01:36:45,201 --> 01:36:52,215
more nuances than that. Thank you, Ms. Elsborn. Three of

1410
01:36:52,215 --> 01:36:56,722
you has to worship to Council and Members. Um, the

1411
01:36:56,762 --> 01:37:01,199
directives have come through, as has been stated, um. To

1412
01:37:01,239 --> 01:37:05,679
impact or to illustrate the opportunities available, as was mentioned

1413
01:37:05,719 --> 01:37:10,619
by Marco. The two approaches are available to us. And

1414
01:37:10,619 --> 01:37:17,007
we do, we will be using, um, an evaluation. We

1415
01:37:17,028 --> 01:37:20,047
will be reviewing each on a case - by -

1416
01:37:20,047 --> 01:37:23,087
case basis to understand, as Miz - Osborne has stated,

1417
01:37:23,087 --> 01:37:27,951
which approach would best suit the project at hand. To

1418
01:37:27,972 --> 01:37:31,551
identify that we would solely use or exclusively use the

1419
01:37:31,591 --> 01:37:34,751
commitment - based over the evaluation - based may not

1420
01:37:34,751 --> 01:37:39,991
be prudent of the legislation that's been brought forward. So

1421
01:37:39,991 --> 01:37:43,711
we are all working together. We, you know, regional procurement

1422
01:37:43,751 --> 01:37:48,811
specialists and professionals to best understand what the objective, how

1423
01:37:48,811 --> 01:37:52,511
best we can deliver the objective of the new legislation,

1424
01:37:52,511 --> 01:37:56,279
um, with each project that's presented. So as Ms. Osborne

1425
01:37:56,319 --> 01:37:59,719
has shared with the first project, we, based on the

1426
01:37:59,719 --> 01:38:01,719
resources that we had, the information that we had collected

1427
01:38:02,060 --> 01:38:05,639
to that point, we had elected to use the evaluation

1428
01:38:05,660 --> 01:38:10,919
approach within the evaluation approach, there are other options within

1429
01:38:10,919 --> 01:38:14,199
that. So price only is one option rated criteria is

1430
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:17,459
a second option. Um, and as well, there's, you know,

1431
01:38:17,459 --> 01:38:21,399
DSCPs with a 10 percent evaluation score you can factor

1432
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:24,199
in, um, construction schedules, et cetera, et cetera. So they

1433
01:38:24,199 --> 01:38:26,279
do become more complex than there are some variables that

1434
01:38:26,279 --> 01:38:29,359
we can follow. So first one of the gates, we

1435
01:38:29,359 --> 01:38:32,919
have elected the evaluation approach. Um, as Miss Osborne has

1436
01:38:32,919 --> 01:38:34,919
shared, we do have two tenders that are before you

1437
01:38:34,940 --> 01:38:39,799
this evening that were confident based on the complexity or

1438
01:38:39,980 --> 01:38:44,439
lack of complexity value, um, and subject matter expertise that

1439
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:47,799
we were comfortable to defend the commitment - based approach.

1440
01:38:47,799 --> 01:38:51,479
Going forward, each case would be each procurement would be

1441
01:38:52,140 --> 01:38:55,559
assessed on level of risk, level of resources to defend.

1442
01:38:57,664 --> 01:39:03,037
The approaches selected. And information that we have from the

1443
01:39:03,218 --> 01:39:09,696
market or from the industry. That said, um, since December,

1444
01:39:09,736 --> 01:39:12,816
so the new by Ontario Act came into Royal Asset

1445
01:39:12,856 --> 01:39:16,656
on December of 2025. There have been many surveys, many

1446
01:39:16,656 --> 01:39:21,776
webinars, many, um, touch points sessions regionally across our province

1447
01:39:21,957 --> 01:39:25,376
to better understand what the expectations will be. So it

1448
01:39:25,376 --> 01:39:29,296
is, has been shared new policy, new directives evolving every

1449
01:39:29,317 --> 01:39:33,536
day. We are all regionally staying connected to understand what

1450
01:39:34,677 --> 01:39:39,616
the interpretations are, what changes could be seen, what opportunities

1451
01:39:39,637 --> 01:39:42,736
are there to help streamline and be more definitive with

1452
01:39:42,776 --> 01:39:50,145
the information that's put forth in each tender. Okay, questions

1453
01:39:50,406 --> 01:39:55,665
of staff. Councillor Pouger. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You know,

1454
01:39:55,846 --> 01:40:01,025
at no time was I criticizing Todd for doing this.

1455
01:40:01,025 --> 01:40:05,265
I understand the rationale for it. However, what I'm concerned

1456
01:40:05,286 --> 01:40:11,265
about is that we have an overexpended show of 682,

1457
01:40:11,766 --> 01:40:15,335
872 dollars. And we had to take it from general

1458
01:40:15,375 --> 01:40:21,810
reserve. And our wastewater reserve. And, um, I just believe

1459
01:40:21,991 --> 01:40:26,010
that this is unacceptable for us. And I think we

1460
01:40:26,010 --> 01:40:31,890
should correspond with the Ontario government because this bill only

1461
01:40:31,911 --> 01:40:37,370
benefits the successful tender, but burdens are taxpayers. In this

1462
01:40:37,370 --> 01:40:45,381
case, with an additional moan of 124, 045 dollars. And.

1463
01:40:45,832 --> 01:40:49,251
I don't, I think it's going to require more work

1464
01:40:49,352 --> 01:40:54,522
from our staff. To go in and ensure that every

1465
01:40:54,863 --> 01:40:58,282
piece of equipment they use or any kind of material

1466
01:40:58,322 --> 01:41:03,677
they use. Is purchased in Ontario. I think that's going

1467
01:41:03,677 --> 01:41:08,557
to be really time consuming and very expensive for our

1468
01:41:08,597 --> 01:41:11,757
staff. And I really do believe we should correspond with

1469
01:41:11,778 --> 01:41:14,877
the government and tell them that we are concerned about

1470
01:41:14,978 --> 01:41:19,699
this. Okay. That wasn't a question. So I don't know

1471
01:41:19,739 --> 01:41:25,893
that there'll be an answer. Okay. Councillor Crane. Three to

1472
01:41:25,933 --> 01:41:29,973
staff. Province has definitely made this very complicated and difficult

1473
01:41:29,994 --> 01:41:32,984
to follow. Just so I can understand this in layman's

1474
01:41:33,024 --> 01:41:39,332
terms. The second bidder, the more construction, after the

1475
01:41:44,553 --> 01:41:48,612
evaluation saying that the lowest bidder without the 10 percent

1476
01:41:48,633 --> 01:41:55,783
reduction, which is 1. 76 had less Ontario made. Products

1477
01:41:56,764 --> 01:42:00,174
or like built into their bid. What we're seeing is

1478
01:42:00,195 --> 01:42:04,814
that, and this is, this is what the, um, Marco

1479
01:42:04,814 --> 01:42:09,694
had mentioned. The challenge is in this scenario, each of

1480
01:42:09,694 --> 01:42:13,134
those construction companies that bid had to create their own

1481
01:42:13,155 --> 01:42:16,974
determination of how much buy Ontario content is in their

1482
01:42:17,075 --> 01:42:21,694
bid, subject to their interpretation of how they would come

1483
01:42:21,715 --> 01:42:25,614
to that evaluative criteria. And then they submit that percentage

1484
01:42:25,955 --> 01:42:32,487
into, uh, The tender. The challenge is there is no

1485
01:42:32,508 --> 01:42:37,231
challenge on that. What they submit is there attestation. Ms.

1486
01:42:37,252 --> 01:42:39,631
Little was on a call quite literally the very next

1487
01:42:39,732 --> 01:42:44,031
day with the Ontario buyers. And specifically ask the question

1488
01:42:44,292 --> 01:42:48,991
in that scenario whether or not the municipality can challenge

1489
01:42:49,252 --> 01:42:54,831
whether or not those that put the largest Ontario content

1490
01:42:55,092 --> 01:42:58,511
bid in and result in an overexpenditure such as this

1491
01:42:58,852 --> 01:43:02,831
could be challenged. And the advice that was given was

1492
01:43:03,252 --> 01:43:07,548
not to do that. Because we are waiting into waters

1493
01:43:07,588 --> 01:43:09,628
where we do not have the market research. We do

1494
01:43:09,628 --> 01:43:12,508
not have the depth or breath or knowledge to challenge

1495
01:43:12,529 --> 01:43:16,908
them on what they have attested to. This compounds the

1496
01:43:16,929 --> 01:43:21,788
challenge that the delegate Marco has brought forward to the

1497
01:43:21,809 --> 01:43:26,028
community. And is what we are currently experiencing right now.

1498
01:43:26,028 --> 01:43:30,908
It is why we are working collectively with other municipalities,

1499
01:43:30,908 --> 01:43:34,188
um, in speaking with Marco and his associates. They've said

1500
01:43:34,188 --> 01:43:37,628
the MTO is putting some market research and data out

1501
01:43:37,628 --> 01:43:40,428
there, which we welcome and have told them as soon

1502
01:43:40,468 --> 01:43:42,888
as they have it, please give it to us. Um,

1503
01:43:42,929 --> 01:43:47,308
we are engaging with other larger municipalities that to Councillor

1504
01:43:47,348 --> 01:43:51,228
Pouge's point will have the bench strength and experience to

1505
01:43:51,409 --> 01:43:54,588
do some of these market research things. And obviously working

1506
01:43:54,628 --> 01:43:59,068
with the heavy construction industry to understand when we put

1507
01:43:59,089 --> 01:44:02,508
a bid forward, is there market research or something they

1508
01:44:02,508 --> 01:44:06,348
can help us substantiate that we can put definitively in

1509
01:44:06,348 --> 01:44:08,668
our bucket to say, if we're going to say it

1510
01:44:08,668 --> 01:44:15,308
can be 51 percent, liable, if we can't defend our

1511
01:44:15,409 --> 01:44:22,781
position. So legally the town cannot select major construction and

1512
01:44:22,781 --> 01:44:27,916
apply, which would bring it down to 1. 5. So

1513
01:44:28,337 --> 01:44:31,596
no, the way this tender worked is those were all

1514
01:44:31,596 --> 01:44:36,253
the price bids. They all then gave us their percentage

1515
01:44:36,293 --> 01:44:38,253
of buy Ontario, the one that said they had the

1516
01:44:38,354 --> 01:44:42,093
highest level of biontario was D'Amor. They automatically get a

1517
01:44:42,093 --> 01:44:48,333
10 percent reduction, making them the lowest tender, which by

1518
01:44:48,514 --> 01:44:54,253
default under this process under the Bioenterial Legislation. We are

1519
01:44:54,293 --> 01:44:59,373
required to honour. However, because this tender in its entirety

1520
01:44:59,794 --> 01:45:03,613
is over budget. It is up to Council's discretion if

1521
01:45:03,613 --> 01:45:07,373
you choose to not award the tender, in which case

1522
01:45:07,413 --> 01:45:10,093
we would have to revisit that and reissue it at

1523
01:45:10,133 --> 01:45:14,333
some point in time, again, two cautions. One, it was

1524
01:45:14,333 --> 01:45:17,293
over budget to begin with the differential of the 122

1525
01:45:17,874 --> 01:45:21,310
is really what is debate here. Second, I do not

1526
01:45:21,310 --> 01:45:25,550
know the implications, uh, Mr. Huet can speak to it.

1527
01:45:25,550 --> 01:45:28,510
If this project is further delayed, given its importance in

1528
01:45:28,510 --> 01:45:33,558
priority. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. To clarify as well,

1529
01:45:33,558 --> 01:45:35,798
you can't take that 10 percent and then just put

1530
01:45:35,798 --> 01:45:40,918
it onto The actual low bidder. You can't do that.

1531
01:45:40,918 --> 01:45:46,246
That's not permitted. A lotsman said, Mr. Huet. Do we

1532
01:45:46,246 --> 01:45:48,961
have to proceed with this. I mean, the easiest thing

1533
01:45:49,462 --> 01:45:51,821
to say is we're not going to be, you know,

1534
01:45:51,821 --> 01:45:54,910
we're not going to do it. But what will happen

1535
01:45:54,910 --> 01:45:56,910
if we don't do it? We certainly will save a

1536
01:45:56,910 --> 01:46:01,341
lot of money. Through you, Mr. Mayor, uh, well, three

1537
01:46:01,362 --> 01:46:05,563
of them, to you, Mr. Mayor. That's always the option.

1538
01:46:05,563 --> 01:46:09,717
So this project was budgeted in 2025. Um, due to

1539
01:46:09,717 --> 01:46:13,877
some, uh, work from the consultant, and when he got

1540
01:46:13,898 --> 01:46:16,788
the tender in 2026. What I would say is that

1541
01:46:17,129 --> 01:46:19,908
the second phase, which will take us from lilac to

1542
01:46:20,649 --> 01:46:26,121
friar is in the 2027 budget. For, um, to finish

1543
01:46:26,382 --> 01:46:30,201
phase two. So the intention or basically because of funding,

1544
01:46:30,201 --> 01:46:33,961
uh, in the, in the water sector, we couldn't do

1545
01:46:34,001 --> 01:46:36,921
them in back to back years. So it was 2025

1546
01:46:37,102 --> 01:46:41,807
and 2027. At this point, we're almost into September of

1547
01:46:42,068 --> 01:46:47,137
2026. And this project hasn't started yet. So to say

1548
01:46:47,137 --> 01:46:50,977
that we could potentially postpone and tender it as one

1549
01:46:51,078 --> 01:46:55,857
full project with the funding from 2025 and 2027 may

1550
01:46:55,897 --> 01:46:58,177
give us a better bang for our buck is a

1551
01:46:58,177 --> 01:47:01,459
bit larger tender. Whether that's going to save money or

1552
01:47:01,459 --> 01:47:07,171
not is always a difficult thing to guess. Because oil

1553
01:47:07,192 --> 01:47:11,811
prices change and inflation changes. The prices very rarely go

1554
01:47:11,832 --> 01:47:17,213
down. So if this price was competitively bid in July

1555
01:47:17,314 --> 01:47:21,853
of 2026 with seven bidders, that was the best price,

1556
01:47:21,853 --> 01:47:23,533
well, the lowest price was the best price we could

1557
01:47:23,533 --> 01:47:26,169
get. That's not what it ended up being with the

1558
01:47:26,350 --> 01:47:29,269
buy Ontario Act that we would have to award. But

1559
01:47:29,269 --> 01:47:32,763
those were competitively bid. So to say that if we

1560
01:47:32,803 --> 01:47:35,643
were to tender it again in a month or two

1561
01:47:35,683 --> 01:47:38,043
months that the price would be the same, we can't

1562
01:47:38,083 --> 01:47:41,955
say that. Um, what you could determine depending on whether

1563
01:47:41,995 --> 01:47:44,355
we could go to a commitment - based approach that

1564
01:47:44,395 --> 01:47:50,115
perhaps we could alleviate ourselves of the 120 dollar additional

1565
01:47:50,456 --> 01:47:57,086
costs. That's resulted from that by Ontario Act. That for

1566
01:47:57,086 --> 01:47:59,086
sure, if we could go to a commitment - based

1567
01:47:59,126 --> 01:48:03,156
approach, we could. Eliminate, for lack of a better term.

1568
01:48:03,156 --> 01:48:04,516
Does that mean that the tender is going to be

1569
01:48:04,777 --> 01:48:14,443
120, 000 dollars less. At the time.

1570
01:48:14,967 --> 01:48:17,186
Those are all pieces of the puzzle that add into

1571
01:48:17,226 --> 01:48:23,186
that price. So certainly it's within councils purview to postpone

1572
01:48:23,226 --> 01:48:27,044
this or to not award this tender. The town would

1573
01:48:27,065 --> 01:48:30,084
then move forward to look at what our best options

1574
01:48:30,185 --> 01:48:33,844
were, whether that would be to issue it again immediately,

1575
01:48:33,844 --> 01:48:36,964
which then may result into winter work, which we wouldn't

1576
01:48:37,065 --> 01:48:40,324
really look for. Or do we postpone it till 2027

1577
01:48:41,145 --> 01:48:44,244
and look to combine it into a larger one project

1578
01:48:45,065 --> 01:48:48,244
that would complete the entire length of McCurdy at once.

1579
01:48:48,244 --> 01:48:52,404
So those would be options that the infrastructure services would

1580
01:48:52,425 --> 01:48:56,804
look at if this, um, tender was not awarded tonight.

1581
01:48:58,429 --> 01:49:01,368
But what I could never definitively say is whether it

1582
01:49:01,368 --> 01:49:04,157
would be cheaper. Um, what I would say is that

1583
01:49:04,258 --> 01:49:07,917
this water main needs replacement. It needs replacement now. It'll

1584
01:49:07,957 --> 01:49:11,771
still need replacement next year. Okay. But nothing's going to

1585
01:49:11,832 --> 01:49:17,442
cave in on this. Through Mr. Mayor, this waterme has

1586
01:49:17,543 --> 01:49:20,242
had a number of breaks. People would know that in

1587
01:49:20,242 --> 01:49:22,242
front of the subway, there was a fairly large break

1588
01:49:22,263 --> 01:49:26,109
last year. Um, so it is due for replacement. Um,

1589
01:49:26,150 --> 01:49:28,449
whether that's going to, whether we'll have one more water

1590
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:30,609
main break between now and then or two, I can't

1591
01:49:30,790 --> 01:49:36,531
say. But again, we've been, uh, we aim to replace

1592
01:49:36,571 --> 01:49:39,731
it. We, it needs to be replaced. If that's postponed

1593
01:49:39,731 --> 01:49:42,851
for six months, I can't say that there'll be any

1594
01:49:42,952 --> 01:49:45,811
imminent danger. We still have safe drinking water. Those residents

1595
01:49:45,851 --> 01:49:48,658
will all still get safe drinking water. It's just a

1596
01:49:48,698 --> 01:49:51,778
matter of whether there could be a water main break

1597
01:49:51,799 --> 01:49:55,548
in that area between now and then. Perhaps. But that's,

1598
01:49:55,548 --> 01:49:59,708
um, that could happen tomorrow. And we still haven't gotten

1599
01:49:59,809 --> 01:50:05,861
that water main replace. So. Councillor McArthur. Thank you. Where

1600
01:50:05,882 --> 01:50:09,061
should those? There's a lot to unpack there, but there's

1601
01:50:09,101 --> 01:50:11,781
some, what I get out of that is there may

1602
01:50:11,781 --> 01:50:15,092
be some real material benefits. To doing, to waiting a

1603
01:50:15,092 --> 01:50:18,783
couple of months. And doing one tender. And I think

1604
01:50:18,884 --> 01:50:21,583
Todd is right. I mean, costs generally only go up.

1605
01:50:22,851 --> 01:50:25,550
So, you know, you waited a couple of months, that

1606
01:50:25,550 --> 01:50:29,630
could happen. But there's also the opportunity for economies of

1607
01:50:29,670 --> 01:50:32,740
scale, because now it's going to be one project. Uh,

1608
01:50:33,001 --> 01:50:36,500
instead of two split over two years, I think what

1609
01:50:36,500 --> 01:50:41,440
also give the next council an opportunity to issue, you

1610
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:45,600
know, an early tender. Right now they're all, you know,

1611
01:50:45,801 --> 01:50:48,020
they're dockets full. So if they want to do work

1612
01:50:48,060 --> 01:50:50,640
now, it's going to cost a lot of money. But

1613
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:53,460
if you can issue it late in the year or

1614
01:50:53,500 --> 01:50:56,260
early in the new year, uh, when they're really hungry

1615
01:50:56,681 --> 01:51:00,900
for, for jobs, you might get, uh, The opportunity for

1616
01:51:00,921 --> 01:51:03,780
a lower bid. And also the sidewalk. I mean, one

1617
01:51:03,780 --> 01:51:05,700
of the best things about this is we're finally going

1618
01:51:05,700 --> 01:51:08,180
to put a sidewalk on the north side of McCurdy.

1619
01:51:09,166 --> 01:51:11,305
I can't imagine what kind of world we lived in

1620
01:51:11,345 --> 01:51:13,785
when we built that subdivision and didn't put a sidewalk

1621
01:51:13,785 --> 01:51:16,745
in. It makes no sense. But it gives us the

1622
01:51:16,785 --> 01:51:20,345
opportunity instead of having a sidewalk to nowhere, uh, that

1623
01:51:20,345 --> 01:51:22,985
just ends at lilac. We could actually in one fell

1624
01:51:22,985 --> 01:51:26,425
swoop, uh, put a sidewalk in that goes the whole

1625
01:51:26,425 --> 01:51:29,545
stretch. And additionally, you're only going to disrupt the residents

1626
01:51:29,585 --> 01:51:35,489
in that street once. Uh, as, as opposed to twice.

1627
01:51:35,489 --> 01:51:37,889
So given everything I just said, I guess they're taught.

1628
01:51:37,889 --> 01:51:40,449
I mean, did I say anything that was horribly inaccurate

1629
01:51:40,489 --> 01:51:49,925
with my reasoning or is that about right? Oh, that

1630
01:51:49,965 --> 01:51:55,285
definitely. Okay. I think generally, uh, Councillor, yes. One thing

1631
01:51:55,626 --> 01:51:57,445
to bear in mind is we have to be careful

1632
01:51:57,546 --> 01:52:00,805
that if we do rescind this tender, you'll have to,

1633
01:52:00,805 --> 01:52:03,605
um, change it by about 20 percent. Otherwise you're seen

1634
01:52:03,645 --> 01:52:06,245
as shopping around and you're not allowed to do that.

1635
01:52:06,245 --> 01:52:10,085
Uh, so bundling it together with the larger project. Um,

1636
01:52:10,426 --> 01:52:13,285
would allow for that change in the tender that we're

1637
01:52:13,325 --> 01:52:16,805
not seeing as shopping it around. I will, however, say,

1638
01:52:16,805 --> 01:52:20,405
uh, I do agree. We've seen often tendering projects in

1639
01:52:20,405 --> 01:52:23,605
the fall or the winter for projects to start in

1640
01:52:23,605 --> 01:52:27,525
the spring, uh, tends to be, um, better pricing. I

1641
01:52:27,525 --> 01:52:29,685
don't know whether or not Mr. Huit would be even

1642
01:52:29,786 --> 01:52:32,165
in a position to have the full scope of work

1643
01:52:32,186 --> 01:52:37,125
ready for inclusion of the 2027 items. However, if council

1644
01:52:37,125 --> 01:52:39,045
wishes to move in that direction, they will have to

1645
01:52:39,146 --> 01:52:41,925
consider making a motion to approve the funds that are

1646
01:52:41,965 --> 01:52:46,645
in the Capitol budget in 2027. Tonight in order to

1647
01:52:46,666 --> 01:52:49,605
allow him to proceed with that tender. Otherwise, it will

1648
01:52:49,645 --> 01:52:53,365
have to wait until the 2027 budget deliberations to confirm

1649
01:52:53,405 --> 01:52:56,645
that that project funding is there before the tender could

1650
01:52:56,645 --> 01:53:00,885
be issued, which will place us given we are in

1651
01:53:00,885 --> 01:53:03,605
election season, the new council will not take place until

1652
01:53:03,626 --> 01:53:07,285
end of November. Budget might most likely, depending on how

1653
01:53:07,285 --> 01:53:10,805
the mayor, um, chooses to proceed forward, will be January

1654
01:53:11,226 --> 01:53:17,163
to February timeframe. You'll still be tendering sometime. Spring that

1655
01:53:17,163 --> 01:53:23,621
summer. Okay. This is taking a long time. Councillor Lair.

1656
01:53:25,417 --> 01:53:27,476
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And, uh, thank you to our

1657
01:53:27,497 --> 01:53:30,916
deputy CAL for that lovely explanation. I am willing to

1658
01:53:30,937 --> 01:53:40,783
move the staff recommendation. As written. Forward. Okay,

1659
01:53:40,783 --> 01:53:44,601
good. Thank you. Sorry. In all three parts. So. Okay.

1660
01:53:44,622 --> 01:53:49,081
There was a motion to do all three parts to

1661
01:53:49,582 --> 01:53:52,441
staff recommendation. Is there a second or to the motion.

1662
01:53:54,394 --> 01:53:56,373
Well, I got to get a second or first if

1663
01:53:56,373 --> 01:54:03,637
there is one. Thank you. For discussion. Okay. Okay. I

1664
01:54:03,637 --> 01:54:07,877
think I've been asking both them McCurdy Road for three

1665
01:54:07,898 --> 01:54:10,837
years. It's been in our capital budget since I got

1666
01:54:10,877 --> 01:54:15,637
elected. It has been needed to be done. I agree

1667
01:54:15,738 --> 01:54:20,317
with everyone that, yeah, when you bundle everything together, it

1668
01:54:20,778 --> 01:54:23,397
makes everything a lot cheaper. This is done. We have

1669
01:54:23,397 --> 01:54:26,608
to accept it now. We have to move forward. I'm

1670
01:54:26,789 --> 01:54:29,968
going to say this. There is great explanations given by

1671
01:54:30,008 --> 01:54:34,528
our administration. Gas goes up. Costs go up. Everything increases

1672
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:37,248
with price. We have seen it time and time again.

1673
01:54:37,248 --> 01:54:39,808
We push something back one more year. It is like

1674
01:54:40,389 --> 01:54:44,368
200, 000 dollars more. Yes, it'll be cheaper that we

1675
01:54:44,389 --> 01:54:46,988
bundle it together, but it will not get done. Uh,

1676
01:54:47,189 --> 01:54:51,648
our first year elections are budget season was in February.

1677
01:54:51,648 --> 01:54:53,568
And I'm going to be real honest. My first time

1678
01:54:53,669 --> 01:54:57,168
at budgets newly elected. I didn't know what was going

1679
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:59,808
on. It was a whirlwind. So you're having a new

1680
01:54:59,989 --> 01:55:02,208
council come in here. A lot of them might be

1681
01:55:02,229 --> 01:55:06,368
new. And to make them make a huge decision like

1682
01:55:06,408 --> 01:55:09,548
this would be, um, kind of silly on us, but

1683
01:55:09,548 --> 01:55:11,408
we didn't take care of our town for the last

1684
01:55:11,429 --> 01:55:14,448
four years. So to step back and not make this

1685
01:55:14,448 --> 01:55:16,608
decision now after all this work has gone into it.

1686
01:55:18,004 --> 01:55:20,543
Would be insane to me. This has been needed to

1687
01:55:20,543 --> 01:55:26,108
be done multiple times. So now is the time. Councillor

1688
01:55:26,148 --> 01:55:29,588
Courtney on the motion. I'm speaking to the motion. So

1689
01:55:29,588 --> 01:55:31,388
I'm on the fence with this one. I hear some

1690
01:55:31,388 --> 01:55:33,708
of the positive there. I hear some concerns from staff

1691
01:55:34,209 --> 01:55:36,428
by delaine it. The government did this. They're downloading money

1692
01:55:36,449 --> 01:55:39,708
again onto the municipalities. We are over budget. I understand

1693
01:55:39,729 --> 01:55:43,348
that on the original. And now another 120, 000. I

1694
01:55:43,348 --> 01:55:45,548
mean, I had a good sidebar with Mr. Mayor there

1695
01:55:45,588 --> 01:55:48,588
last week and staff member. And, uh, we were trying

1696
01:55:48,588 --> 01:55:51,148
to wrap our heads around this. And the best motive

1697
01:55:51,188 --> 01:55:54,510
attack might be to record. Moving forward with their new

1698
01:55:54,531 --> 01:55:58,832
legislation, how it's impacting financially. The municipalities that have to

1699
01:55:58,853 --> 01:56:01,792
foot the bill by giving these reductions, you know, cause

1700
01:56:01,792 --> 01:56:04,272
we're not seeing it. We're paying for it. So I'm

1701
01:56:04,272 --> 01:56:07,392
not opposed to a councillor lair to move forward with

1702
01:56:07,432 --> 01:56:09,792
these projects because it does backlog things. It doesn't sound

1703
01:56:09,792 --> 01:56:12,112
like it's too compromising. At the same time, I'll wait

1704
01:56:12,112 --> 01:56:13,552
to hear the rest of council. And I don't want

1705
01:56:13,552 --> 01:56:16,912
to beat this thing. Um, it's already dead, I think.

1706
01:56:16,912 --> 01:56:19,552
But, uh, again, there might be something all we can

1707
01:56:19,552 --> 01:56:21,692
do is record these things moving forward so we can

1708
01:56:21,692 --> 01:56:24,192
show how much more it's cost us on our BIDS

1709
01:56:24,192 --> 01:56:27,232
and tenders and let that start to build up and

1710
01:56:27,232 --> 01:56:30,192
then build a case and let more studies happen where,

1711
01:56:30,192 --> 01:56:31,392
because we're not the only ones that are facing this

1712
01:56:31,432 --> 01:56:34,672
right now. It's every municipality in Ontario. So again, my

1713
01:56:34,712 --> 01:56:38,432
only question was this, the staff is the onus on,

1714
01:56:38,472 --> 01:56:39,872
oh, sorry, I'm speaking to her emotions, so I will

1715
01:56:39,912 --> 01:56:44,192
stop. Thank you. Okay. On the motion, anyone else want

1716
01:56:44,213 --> 01:56:49,731
to speak on the motion. Councillor McArthur. I'm. Going to

1717
01:56:49,792 --> 01:56:53,682
vote. And just, I've talked myself into it. I think

1718
01:56:53,682 --> 01:56:58,744
it makes the most economic sense. To bundle it together,

1719
01:56:58,744 --> 01:57:03,224
do it right, do it once, uh, and so that's

1720
01:57:03,245 --> 01:57:06,024
what I think makes the most sense given everything that

1721
01:57:06,064 --> 01:57:14,922
I've heard tonight. Any other discussion. Mayor, I'm going to

1722
01:57:15,303 --> 01:57:20,482
oppose it to, based on the fact that it's so

1723
01:57:20,482 --> 01:57:25,202
much over budget over 600, 000 over budget. And I

1724
01:57:25,202 --> 01:57:29,202
like the fact that it's very possible if we bundle,

1725
01:57:29,202 --> 01:57:32,562
we will get cheaper rate. And to do it in

1726
01:57:32,583 --> 01:57:37,282
the early spring. So I, I, although I appreciate the

1727
01:57:37,463 --> 01:57:42,442
motion, I just, I can't support it. I'm going to

1728
01:57:42,442 --> 01:57:44,562
pass the gavel. I likely won't get a vote here

1729
01:57:44,903 --> 01:57:48,962
unless it's a recorded vote. I likely won't, but I

1730
01:57:49,002 --> 01:57:52,882
can't support this. I want to county council, uh, both

1731
01:57:52,922 --> 01:57:57,202
the deputy mayor and I spoke against this particular policy.

1732
01:57:57,202 --> 01:57:59,842
We spoke in very strong terms. We spoke about the

1733
01:58:00,023 --> 01:58:06,082
cost to the taxpayers. I reminded people that this, the

1734
01:58:06,082 --> 01:58:09,202
lot of hare brain schemes come out of, uh, Queen's

1735
01:58:09,242 --> 01:58:11,122
park. I know I was there for 13 years. I

1736
01:58:11,143 --> 01:58:12,962
listened to a lot of it. I never was on

1737
01:58:12,962 --> 01:58:14,902
the government side to make them. But a lot of

1738
01:58:14,902 --> 01:58:18,162
them don't make sense. And this one does not make

1739
01:58:18,183 --> 01:58:22,002
sense at all. I agree with counsellor Courtney that should

1740
01:58:22,103 --> 01:58:26,642
this motion, uh, pass, uh, I would add an addendum

1741
01:58:26,983 --> 01:58:30,802
to tally up all the money that we spend for

1742
01:58:30,983 --> 01:58:34,002
the next, uh, to the end of the year and

1743
01:58:34,183 --> 01:58:37,122
send a bill, uh, or not a bill, but a

1744
01:58:37,143 --> 01:58:40,802
request to the Ontario government to make us whole because

1745
01:58:41,303 --> 01:58:44,802
their policies do not, they don't work. They don't work

1746
01:58:44,842 --> 01:58:48,482
for the taxpayer. And my number one thing is the

1747
01:58:48,503 --> 01:58:54,722
taxpayer. If that, if that's, if the water main is

1748
01:58:54,722 --> 01:58:56,722
not going to, you know, it's not going to be

1749
01:58:56,823 --> 01:59:00,282
disastrous. I mean, we always have water main brakes. We

1750
01:59:00,282 --> 01:59:02,482
have them all over the place all the time. Every

1751
01:59:02,522 --> 01:59:07,842
winter. If it's not, if it's not absolutely obvious to

1752
01:59:07,842 --> 01:59:10,322
me, it makes a whole lot of sense wait and

1753
01:59:10,322 --> 01:59:12,803
do it all at once. And I know we're getting

1754
01:59:12,984 --> 01:59:16,003
around. But the bigger issue in the long term is

1755
01:59:16,184 --> 01:59:22,163
we cannot continue to abide by costing the taxpayers a

1756
01:59:22,163 --> 01:59:27,891
fortune. Uh, even the 122, 000 dollars means that in

1757
01:59:27,891 --> 01:59:32,851
terms of the population of Amortsburg, that's about six dollars

1758
01:59:33,032 --> 01:59:36,371
for every man, woman, and child. They have to pay

1759
01:59:37,112 --> 01:59:41,251
every six dollars from everybody just to satisfy something that

1760
01:59:41,352 --> 01:59:45,415
makes no sense. Absolutely none. And if our best way

1761
01:59:45,455 --> 01:59:49,575
out of this is to, uh, simply say no to

1762
01:59:49,575 --> 01:59:53,895
all of it and go back, uh, that's where I'm

1763
01:59:53,895 --> 01:59:57,335
going to go with all great respect to my colleague,

1764
01:59:57,335 --> 02:00:00,135
Councillor Lara. I, I know, I know she wants to

1765
02:00:00,135 --> 02:00:02,775
see it done. So do I. But if the spring

1766
02:00:02,815 --> 02:00:07,655
of 2027, uh, is done, I'm willing to even put,

1767
02:00:07,756 --> 02:00:11,735
put forward and say, uh, let's commit to getting it

1768
02:00:11,756 --> 02:00:14,295
in 2027. Have it in the budget and have the

1769
02:00:14,295 --> 02:00:17,815
new council look with an explanation as to why it's

1770
02:00:17,855 --> 02:00:19,895
all there together at once. I think they would appreciate

1771
02:00:20,076 --> 02:00:24,215
that. And I know the taxpayers would appreciate not spending

1772
02:00:24,556 --> 02:00:28,435
too much money. And being gouged by a policy, uh,

1773
02:00:28,716 --> 02:00:32,330
that is not of our making. Anyway, that's where I'm

1774
02:00:32,330 --> 02:00:34,650
coming from, but, uh, I may not even get to

1775
02:00:34,671 --> 02:00:40,700
vote. Okay. Recorded vote. There you go. Now you get

1776
02:00:40,740 --> 02:00:44,705
to vote. Okay. I took the gavel back. And the

1777
02:00:44,705 --> 02:00:46,585
first thing was a recorded vote. Is there anybody else

1778
02:00:46,606 --> 02:00:51,263
who wishes to speak councillor a lair. Okay. Thank you.

1779
02:00:52,244 --> 02:00:55,663
I guess I just need clarification on this. So we

1780
02:00:55,703 --> 02:00:58,703
shut this one down and we do the tendering process

1781
02:00:58,884 --> 02:01:01,503
again, but all at once. Is it not still the

1782
02:01:01,503 --> 02:01:04,303
same process? Do we still not have this policy in

1783
02:01:04,303 --> 02:01:10,160
place. So, uh, when they look at the next tender

1784
02:01:10,821 --> 02:01:15,360
that is inclusive of the larger pictures sometime in 2027,

1785
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:18,000
they will determine and we will hopefully have better market

1786
02:01:18,101 --> 02:01:21,920
research to know whether or not the commitment - based

1787
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:24,640
process can be defined for this project so that it

1788
02:01:24,640 --> 02:01:27,920
can be released. I can't definitively say yes or no

1789
02:01:28,021 --> 02:01:30,880
until we have that information before us. But to be

1790
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:33,760
clear, you won't even be tendering until spring of next

1791
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:37,280
year. Construction is not next year. Yeah, I understand that.

1792
02:01:37,381 --> 02:01:39,280
Um, okay. So I'm just going to put it out

1793
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:42,720
there because I think we've mentioned about eight times today

1794
02:01:43,141 --> 02:01:45,920
about how the higher tiers of government have totally screwed

1795
02:01:46,021 --> 02:01:51,266
us over. I think everyone understands that. I have to

1796
02:01:51,367 --> 02:01:55,026
vote in favor of this for the main reason of,

1797
02:01:55,026 --> 02:01:57,186
yeah, we want to save our residents'money. I get it.

1798
02:01:57,287 --> 02:02:00,706
They're the taxpayers. I'm a taxpayer as well. But also

1799
02:02:00,807 --> 02:02:04,866
this is a service that, I'm sorry, if my watermeke

1800
02:02:04,866 --> 02:02:08,786
broke like three times within four years, I'd be freaking

1801
02:02:08,786 --> 02:02:11,806
losing it. So I'm just putting it out there. I'm

1802
02:02:11,806 --> 02:02:14,946
voting for the residents. So they have the services. That

1803
02:02:14,967 --> 02:02:18,866
municipality is supposed to provide for the residents. And I

1804
02:02:19,127 --> 02:02:23,706
understand that it is a huge chunk of money. I

1805
02:02:23,706 --> 02:02:26,286
don't think it's going to come in any cheaper. And

1806
02:02:26,286 --> 02:02:27,746
I think I'm going to argue with the fact that

1807
02:02:27,767 --> 02:02:31,106
this just pushes it back about a year. We've been

1808
02:02:31,127 --> 02:02:34,670
fighting for this road for almost four. So that's all

1809
02:02:34,691 --> 02:02:39,875
I got to say. Okay. Everybody's spoken. We have a

1810
02:02:39,875 --> 02:02:43,962
motion on the floor on a recorded vote. Thank you

1811
02:02:44,303 --> 02:02:52,948
worship. Councillor Lair support. Councillor Courtney. Opposed. Counsel crane. Post.

1812
02:02:54,527 --> 02:03:04,504
Council McArthur. Bouger. And Mayor PrES Motion fails. All right.

1813
02:03:04,525 --> 02:03:11,602
We need another motion. Councillor McCarthy, do you want to

1814
02:03:11,602 --> 02:03:17,267
move that we, uh, not award, the contract. And that

1815
02:03:17,267 --> 02:03:20,707
we recommend, uh, The Money's be put aside for the

1816
02:03:20,808 --> 02:03:23,787
2027 budget due the whole thing all at once. I

1817
02:03:23,787 --> 02:03:29,345
think that. S so movie. Pretty much the motion. Mr.

1818
02:03:29,366 --> 02:03:37,457
Kirk, can you make that into good language? I would

1819
02:03:37,457 --> 02:03:41,537
put that, uh, Deputy CO just to understand whether or

1820
02:03:41,537 --> 02:03:44,017
not the pre - commitment could happen, uh, with the

1821
02:03:44,057 --> 02:03:48,988
strong mayor's budget. No, and I don't believe this council

1822
02:03:48,988 --> 02:03:52,372
is looking to pre - commit the funds. But merely

1823
02:03:53,593 --> 02:04:00,178
two defer this tender. And to. Bring forward the tender

1824
02:04:00,178 --> 02:04:05,138
again. Once the 2027 Capitol budget is approved and to

1825
02:04:05,178 --> 02:04:09,138
ensure that in that budget, the second phase of this

1826
02:04:09,159 --> 02:04:15,977
project is included in 2027. Sage advice.

1827
02:04:24,470 --> 02:04:25,969
How it has to be, then that's how it has

1828
02:04:25,969 --> 02:04:31,569
to be bundling, uh, gives us opportunities to do save

1829
02:04:31,569 --> 02:04:40,582
significant money. So

1830
02:04:41,323 --> 02:04:45,917
alternatively, since it is, the mayor's budget. Pre - committing

1831
02:04:45,917 --> 02:04:49,757
for 2027 would not work. However, if counsel so wish

1832
02:04:49,797 --> 02:04:53,829
to commit the funds that are in the report. So

1833
02:04:53,869 --> 02:04:59,109
that a minimum of 682, 2872, 000 is available to

1834
02:04:59,530 --> 02:05:04,723
start, I presume, design work, Mr. Hewitt. What do you

1835
02:05:04,723 --> 02:05:12,543
need to start your project. The full design was approved

1836
02:05:12,804 --> 02:05:15,580
as part of the engineering. So that work has generally

1837
02:05:15,681 --> 02:05:20,492
been completed. Um, we wouldn't really need any additional funds

1838
02:05:20,532 --> 02:05:24,683
to move forward. The project now. Really the funds would

1839
02:05:24,683 --> 02:05:27,343
be needed to move it to construction. So in order

1840
02:05:27,524 --> 02:05:30,223
to tender, how much additional by the fall, how much

1841
02:05:30,263 --> 02:05:32,543
additional funding would we need to know that we have

1842
02:05:32,644 --> 02:05:35,950
before we put the tender on the street. Because I

1843
02:05:35,990 --> 02:05:38,830
believe, Ms. Little, we have to have the funding before

1844
02:05:38,851 --> 02:05:44,558
we issue attender. Is that correct? How much additional funding

1845
02:05:44,598 --> 02:05:48,058
are we looking at, Mr. Hewitt? That would be a

1846
02:05:48,058 --> 02:05:50,698
very difficult question for me to answer right off the

1847
02:05:51,199 --> 02:05:52,778
top of my head. I would have to look at

1848
02:05:52,818 --> 02:05:55,578
what our 2027 budget was for that. And I believe

1849
02:05:55,599 --> 02:05:59,545
it carried into 2028. Uh, for phase two. And we

1850
02:05:59,545 --> 02:06:03,265
would still need to consider that additional money, at least

1851
02:06:03,265 --> 02:06:05,705
some of the monies that we were over budget because

1852
02:06:05,705 --> 02:06:07,705
the work still has to be put in at that

1853
02:06:07,705 --> 02:06:12,347
point. Up to phase two. So although we may say,

1854
02:06:12,347 --> 02:06:14,507
there could be some economies of scale and certainly the

1855
02:06:14,547 --> 02:06:17,327
buy Ontario money could potentially be saved. If we can

1856
02:06:17,327 --> 02:06:20,696
go to the commitment - based approach. I would have

1857
02:06:20,696 --> 02:06:23,816
to work through the budget number to determine what that

1858
02:06:23,856 --> 02:06:27,087
is. What I would suggest would be that perhaps the

1859
02:06:27,087 --> 02:06:31,567
best way forward, this money is in the budget now.

1860
02:06:32,390 --> 02:06:35,649
This 2025 dollars will still be there waiting for this

1861
02:06:35,670 --> 02:06:39,769
project to be completed. And when we can work on

1862
02:06:39,950 --> 02:06:45,369
a capital budget issue paper that includes the phase two

1863
02:06:45,470 --> 02:06:47,609
works as well so that we can have a comprehensive

1864
02:06:49,070 --> 02:06:51,769
dollar value for the new council to look at in

1865
02:06:51,809 --> 02:06:55,609
2027 and be ready to tender once that's approved. For

1866
02:06:55,710 --> 02:07:00,489
council's reference, um, I'm looking at the 2026 seven -

1867
02:07:00,489 --> 02:07:05,129
year capital budget. And there's 600, 000 in 2027 and

1868
02:07:05,129 --> 02:07:10,409
another 675, 020 - 28 that Mr. Hewitt's referring to.

1869
02:07:10,409 --> 02:07:15,209
So it is a 1. 275 million dollar additional set

1870
02:07:15,209 --> 02:07:19,849
of funding that I am happy to find the funding

1871
02:07:19,889 --> 02:07:23,689
sources this evening should counsel wish to have this move

1872
02:07:23,790 --> 02:07:28,518
forward and tender it this fall. Otherwise it would simply

1873
02:07:28,539 --> 02:07:31,558
be that it remains in a recommendation for the next

1874
02:07:31,819 --> 02:07:35,387
council. To approve those funds and bring them forward to

1875
02:07:35,488 --> 02:07:39,947
2027 for the next council to consider that so they

1876
02:07:39,947 --> 02:07:46,392
can move the project in its entirety forward. Councillor McArthur.

1877
02:07:47,701 --> 02:07:49,126
Can we. Get a report on this to come back

1878
02:07:49,166 --> 02:07:52,726
to the next council meeting or is that council meeting

1879
02:07:52,766 --> 02:08:01,618
against September 14th after Lameduk. Okay. So we have to

1880
02:08:01,618 --> 02:08:11,580
make the decision tonight or never. So, so again,

1881
02:08:11,681 --> 02:08:14,860
Mr. Huytt has advised that he's not confident the 1.

1882
02:08:14,961 --> 02:08:18,460
275 million will be sufficient particularly given the results of

1883
02:08:18,481 --> 02:08:21,660
this individual tender. All I can tell you is 1.

1884
02:08:21,761 --> 02:08:25,100
275 is what's been identified for those other phases of

1885
02:08:25,100 --> 02:08:29,340
the project that are being recommended to be bundled together.

1886
02:08:29,340 --> 02:08:33,020
So at a minimum, the 1. 275 million would need

1887
02:08:33,020 --> 02:08:36,860
to be essentially approved by this council to proceed forward

1888
02:08:36,961 --> 02:08:40,620
with a tender that has meaningful funding associated with it.

1889
02:08:40,620 --> 02:08:43,580
And that should those tenders also result in something about

1890
02:08:43,681 --> 02:08:47,260
the budgeted amounts if council approves those additional funds this

1891
02:08:47,300 --> 02:08:53,450
evening. Then they would have the responsibility of making that

1892
02:08:53,551 --> 02:08:57,210
determination in their council term of modern or not to

1893
02:08:57,250 --> 02:09:00,970
proceed or to uncouple the project or whatever they may

1894
02:09:00,970 --> 02:09:05,630
choose at that point. Councillor Laird. Thank you Mr. Mayor.

1895
02:09:05,630 --> 02:09:07,470
And just through you, just for a point of clarity.

1896
02:09:07,470 --> 02:09:11,870
So it's, it's 1. 275 for future projects, but it

1897
02:09:11,870 --> 02:09:15,070
is also 1. 7. Yeah. Thank you. I just wanted

1898
02:09:15,110 --> 02:09:17,550
to make sure that I understood that fully. So it's

1899
02:09:17,550 --> 02:09:20,350
about 3 million moving it up and trying to get

1900
02:09:20,451 --> 02:09:23,630
it all together in the fall, which we weren't expecting

1901
02:09:23,891 --> 02:09:29,646
this year. Okay. So, I mean, if it isn't sufficient,

1902
02:09:29,646 --> 02:09:33,006
the next set of people sitting around this table can

1903
02:09:33,027 --> 02:09:36,179
make that decision. Just have to put more money in

1904
02:09:36,219 --> 02:09:40,203
the budget. And that's as simple as that. They're already

1905
02:09:40,203 --> 02:09:49,566
starting with at 1. 2 million dollars. Yeah. Yes, exactly.

1906
02:09:50,261 --> 02:09:52,726
So that's all they have to do. As soon as

1907
02:09:52,766 --> 02:09:56,109
the funding's approved. They make the decision. They have 1.

1908
02:09:56,149 --> 02:09:59,420
2 to start. Put in whatever else they need, tender

1909
02:09:59,460 --> 02:10:08,092
it. Yes. So, I mean, that's, you reject a tender

1910
02:10:08,092 --> 02:10:12,172
tonight. You instruct staff to do the necessary preparation for

1911
02:10:12,212 --> 02:10:17,928
the new council. Colour train. I'll move that recommendation. Okay.

1912
02:10:18,589 --> 02:10:23,608
Second, if I councillor McArthur, any discussion on the motion.

1913
02:10:23,608 --> 02:10:27,885
Council Allaire. Thank you. You don't want to go home

1914
02:10:27,885 --> 02:10:32,045
tonight, right? No, never. I've been going since 6 AM,

1915
02:10:32,045 --> 02:10:34,965
so why not? Uh, I just, I want clarity. So

1916
02:10:34,965 --> 02:10:39,085
we're putting it forward for the new council. And then

1917
02:10:39,426 --> 02:10:43,315
that tender would go out roughly. After that budget season

1918
02:10:43,816 --> 02:10:47,075
or even later. So this project, just so everyone completely

1919
02:10:47,256 --> 02:10:51,795
understands probably will not be done in 2027 either, right?

1920
02:10:52,455 --> 02:11:00,104
Or maybe late. Mr. Mayor to councillor Lair, if this,

1921
02:11:00,104 --> 02:11:03,144
the goal would be to get it done in 2027.

1922
02:11:03,144 --> 02:11:08,344
If the additional funds were approved in the 2027 budget,

1923
02:11:08,344 --> 02:11:11,224
which, uh, I believe the deputy CAO said would probably

1924
02:11:11,224 --> 02:11:13,144
be in January or February. I'm not sure what that

1925
02:11:13,245 --> 02:11:17,244
timing is. Once that budget would be finally approved. Uh,

1926
02:11:17,505 --> 02:11:20,604
the goal from infrastructure services would be to tender that

1927
02:11:20,785 --> 02:11:23,644
as quickly as we can. To get that, uh, to

1928
02:11:23,644 --> 02:11:27,404
get our pricing for what would essentially be a summer

1929
02:11:27,404 --> 02:11:31,990
of 2027 construct. And that would be if all the

1930
02:11:32,011 --> 02:11:35,190
dollars aligned, that would be the full length of McCurdy

1931
02:11:36,011 --> 02:11:38,390
as well as the four cul - de - sacs

1932
02:11:38,430 --> 02:11:41,270
along there. And one of the items that, uh, when

1933
02:11:41,310 --> 02:11:43,990
we talk about funding is the sidewalk as well. So

1934
02:11:44,091 --> 02:11:46,390
we would have to also include the funding for the

1935
02:11:46,571 --> 02:11:48,710
second half of the sidewalk, which wouldn't have been considered

1936
02:11:48,811 --> 02:11:55,981
in the original budget. Okay. Everybody got it clear as

1937
02:11:55,981 --> 02:11:59,997
mud now. Okay. We have a motion moved and seconded.

1938
02:12:01,364 --> 02:12:04,383
To not award the contract to put the monies aside.

1939
02:12:05,209 --> 02:12:09,641
Through all the things that have been discussed. Okay. All

1940
02:12:09,662 --> 02:12:15,892
those in favor. Opposed that's carried. Okay. Which takes us

1941
02:12:15,932 --> 02:12:18,932
back to the beginning, not the end. Back to the

1942
02:12:18,932 --> 02:12:28,723
beginning of the agenda. Thank

1943
02:12:28,723 --> 02:12:31,683
you. Okay. 11. 1 is the next item on the

1944
02:12:31,704 --> 02:12:37,657
agenda, which is the changes to financial services department. Councillor

1945
02:12:37,758 --> 02:12:42,577
Crane. I will move the staff recommendation. Okay. Is there

1946
02:12:42,577 --> 02:12:51,306
a seconder. Councillor LAR. Any discussion or questions that came

1947
02:12:51,306 --> 02:12:58,267
right off the top councillor Courtney. Mr. Mayor. As is

1948
02:12:58,267 --> 02:13:00,427
transparent, because people have been asking me these scene changes.

1949
02:13:01,037 --> 02:13:05,256
With our CFO not being present. And now I will

1950
02:13:05,357 --> 02:13:08,596
state this. This was discussed. We had to figure out

1951
02:13:08,617 --> 02:13:11,156
a game plan. So I will staff came up with

1952
02:13:11,177 --> 02:13:14,196
this as the best way to proceed. Um, I do

1953
02:13:14,196 --> 02:13:16,996
have questions. I don't like things done and move behind.

1954
02:13:18,466 --> 02:13:21,165
Closed doors. Um, this to me is a budgeting item

1955
02:13:21,186 --> 02:13:23,805
thing when we're bringing in new positions and we're bringing

1956
02:13:23,826 --> 02:13:27,965
in different job descriptions. And we're bringing in new pay

1957
02:13:27,986 --> 02:13:29,645
grids and we're bringing in all these things. And I

1958
02:13:29,645 --> 02:13:32,045
know the financial is broken down here that it's not

1959
02:13:32,066 --> 02:13:35,005
that significant. But if you do the math on it,

1960
02:13:35,746 --> 02:13:39,405
you've basically downloaded work and increased work for three existing

1961
02:13:39,445 --> 02:13:42,605
employees. You've created the job title to two other ones

1962
02:13:42,946 --> 02:13:46,045
and in a 0. 5 position, um, so at the

1963
02:13:46,045 --> 02:13:47,965
end of the day, financially, is I going to have

1964
02:13:48,005 --> 02:13:50,445
an impact on our budget moving forward with legacy costs.

1965
02:13:52,750 --> 02:13:56,569
Um, I understand the responsibilities of our finance department is

1966
02:13:56,609 --> 02:13:58,169
probably the most important one. You got to keep us

1967
02:13:58,190 --> 02:14:02,169
afloat. And sometimes times of the, uh, is this of

1968
02:14:02,169 --> 02:14:04,809
the essence. But, um, my question to staff is this.

1969
02:14:07,373 --> 02:14:10,452
Because of the change, with legislation and the, the, um,

1970
02:14:11,213 --> 02:14:13,672
the frustrations and the extra work and all that stuff

1971
02:14:13,693 --> 02:14:15,672
with our existing staff with the creation of these new

1972
02:14:15,712 --> 02:14:18,552
positions. Is there other municipalities that have had have done

1973
02:14:18,573 --> 02:14:21,832
like as well with this new job titles to, to

1974
02:14:21,853 --> 02:14:26,072
take on that extra, uh, stresses of their municipalities. Do

1975
02:14:26,112 --> 02:14:29,432
we know of anybody else that has restructured their financial

1976
02:14:29,693 --> 02:14:33,352
departments in any capacity just because of the legislative changes,

1977
02:14:33,352 --> 02:14:36,872
responsibilities? I'm going to ask, Madam CO. I don't know

1978
02:14:37,053 --> 02:14:40,232
that the deputy CEO feels comfortable to any of these

1979
02:14:40,272 --> 02:14:43,418
questions or not. Oh, she's fine. Okay. All right. All

1980
02:14:43,418 --> 02:14:45,658
right. I just want to make sure, because okay, she's

1981
02:14:45,698 --> 02:14:48,218
part of it. Mr. Mancina two way in when you

1982
02:14:48,218 --> 02:14:52,818
need to. Madam CAO. You Weres members of council. I

1983
02:14:52,818 --> 02:14:55,898
will start and I can defer also to the Deputy

1984
02:14:55,898 --> 02:14:57,738
CAO and Mr. Mancine if they have other things to

1985
02:14:57,778 --> 02:15:03,258
add. Um, I'm a huge believer in the concept that

1986
02:15:03,359 --> 02:15:09,418
when any staff member leaves either by resignation or retirement,

1987
02:15:09,418 --> 02:15:13,658
um, that you look at your organisational structure and that

1988
02:15:13,658 --> 02:15:18,298
it is irresponsible to simply blindly repost something and go

1989
02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:20,698
forward with the same structure because that's the way it

1990
02:15:20,738 --> 02:15:24,058
always has been. I believe it's incumbent on us to

1991
02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:27,898
look at the structure and see what works best in

1992
02:15:27,938 --> 02:15:31,818
the current state with the skills that we have within

1993
02:15:31,858 --> 02:15:35,854
our corporation. Um, so I'll preface it with that. Um,

1994
02:15:36,355 --> 02:15:39,934
we organisations take place all of the time. Mr. Manzena

1995
02:15:39,974 --> 02:15:42,094
can certainly attest to that having worked in a large

1996
02:15:42,094 --> 02:15:45,774
municipality. Um, I worked in a large municipality as did

1997
02:15:45,774 --> 02:15:50,794
Ms. Osborne. And this happens all of the time. Um,

1998
02:15:50,794 --> 02:15:55,134
I don't have specific examples of, uh, those, uh, those

1999
02:15:56,355 --> 02:15:59,214
reorganizations in a finance department, although I can tell you

2000
02:15:59,214 --> 02:16:04,634
that large overhauls of financial services departments have happened. For

2001
02:16:04,634 --> 02:16:07,534
example, the city of Windsor did it in, I believe

2002
02:16:07,574 --> 02:16:11,774
it was 2002 where they totally went from a decentralized

2003
02:16:11,795 --> 02:16:14,654
system to a centralized system and changed all their positions,

2004
02:16:14,654 --> 02:16:18,414
et cetera. Um, so it does happen. Um, I would

2005
02:16:18,595 --> 02:16:22,394
also, um, state that it happens in other departments. For

2006
02:16:22,394 --> 02:16:25,774
example, prior to me becoming CIO, I was the director

2007
02:16:25,774 --> 02:16:28,654
of legislative services when I became the CIO, that position

2008
02:16:28,675 --> 02:16:31,934
was eliminated. And we simply went with a municipal clerk

2009
02:16:31,934 --> 02:16:35,854
position, which is a different position because I could fulfill

2010
02:16:36,115 --> 02:16:38,814
many of those director roles. And we didn't need to

2011
02:16:38,854 --> 02:16:42,974
have a director position in that spot. So this happens

2012
02:16:43,075 --> 02:16:45,214
all the time. And I believe it's the best way

2013
02:16:45,555 --> 02:16:49,214
to look at the resources that you have within your

2014
02:16:49,214 --> 02:16:53,294
municipality and the skill sets. We are a LEAN team.

2015
02:16:53,294 --> 02:16:56,734
As you know, we're not, um, several layers thick of,

2016
02:16:56,774 --> 02:17:02,494
of different, um, levels of non - union and union

2017
02:17:02,534 --> 02:17:05,374
staff. Um, when we do projects, it tends to be

2018
02:17:05,374 --> 02:17:08,174
all the same people around the table. And so we

2019
02:17:08,355 --> 02:17:10,174
may be lean, but I think that we have an

2020
02:17:10,214 --> 02:17:13,134
amazing skill set here. And so what we've done is

2021
02:17:13,155 --> 02:17:14,894
look at, look at the skill sets that we have

2022
02:17:15,555 --> 02:17:17,774
and how we can best put them to use and

2023
02:17:17,795 --> 02:17:21,294
use the resources we have, um, most effectively, but I

2024
02:17:21,294 --> 02:17:23,694
will defer to Ms. Osborne and to Mr. Mancina as

2025
02:17:23,694 --> 02:17:27,663
well. So thank you. Specific to your question about whether

2026
02:17:27,684 --> 02:17:30,463
or not other municipalities have done it. The short answer

2027
02:17:30,564 --> 02:17:33,803
to your question is yes. Um, we have actually, uh,

2028
02:17:33,844 --> 02:17:36,623
already met with the town of LaSalle around how they

2029
02:17:36,644 --> 02:17:39,823
operate. Some of the efficiencies they have. They've recently added

2030
02:17:40,004 --> 02:17:43,103
staff and a supervisor in order to accommodate their new

2031
02:17:43,103 --> 02:17:47,343
workloads. One of the things several of those municipalities have

2032
02:17:47,364 --> 02:17:51,823
that we do not are effective updated systems. And I

2033
02:17:51,823 --> 02:17:54,943
referenced it in the report where I said quite often

2034
02:17:55,124 --> 02:17:58,623
our systems are like looking up information on an encyclopedia

2035
02:17:59,124 --> 02:18:02,063
instead of Google. They take more time. They're not as

2036
02:18:02,063 --> 02:18:04,223
accurate and they're not as quick. And that is the

2037
02:18:04,263 --> 02:18:06,463
type of systems we have. As I said in the

2038
02:18:06,503 --> 02:18:10,463
report, we've got about 37 different business processes that are

2039
02:18:10,724 --> 02:18:14,863
old and equated time consuming. And their key punching activities.

2040
02:18:14,863 --> 02:18:17,103
When we have a skilled set of staff who can

2041
02:18:17,103 --> 02:18:19,183
actually do more. They can get to those other things

2042
02:18:19,684 --> 02:18:22,543
that people are asking us to get to. But right

2043
02:18:22,543 --> 02:18:24,303
now we can't because we can't get out of our

2044
02:18:24,303 --> 02:18:27,903
own way for keep punching information. So we've already identified

2045
02:18:28,404 --> 02:18:31,103
37 of them. We've put two in place already. One

2046
02:18:31,124 --> 02:18:33,103
of them we will be able to action this evening

2047
02:18:33,204 --> 02:18:37,023
provided council approves the policy change on the credit cards.

2048
02:18:37,023 --> 02:18:38,463
That's going to save us four to five weeks of

2049
02:18:38,484 --> 02:18:41,663
time of key punching. We've identified a couple others through

2050
02:18:41,663 --> 02:18:44,383
the tax process that are going to also save us

2051
02:18:44,423 --> 02:18:47,343
several weeks. And just to be clear, this isn't several

2052
02:18:47,364 --> 02:18:49,343
weeks, Councillor, that all of a sudden we don't need

2053
02:18:49,444 --> 02:18:52,303
resources. I've already been taking a look at the kind

2054
02:18:52,303 --> 02:18:54,703
of overtime that the team has been putting in just

2055
02:18:54,724 --> 02:18:58,383
to sustain these antiquated processes. And we've got 11 weeks

2056
02:18:58,423 --> 02:19:01,903
of overtime in our union staff and non - union

2057
02:19:01,943 --> 02:19:06,143
that get overtime from January to now. And your three

2058
02:19:07,044 --> 02:19:09,343
non - union staff that don't get paid overtime, inclusive

2059
02:19:09,383 --> 02:19:13,103
of me of putting collectively 23 weeks of overtime myself

2060
02:19:13,124 --> 02:19:17,183
personally 11 weeks since January. So there's a lot of

2061
02:19:17,204 --> 02:19:20,623
heavy lifting going on by this team. They absolutely need

2062
02:19:20,663 --> 02:19:23,423
the resources. And it's one of the reasons why I

2063
02:19:23,463 --> 02:19:26,863
agreed to take on this additional work in order to

2064
02:19:26,903 --> 02:19:29,583
allow those new positions to be created at a net

2065
02:19:29,604 --> 02:19:33,663
impact of this community of only 25, 000 dollars need

2066
02:19:33,663 --> 02:19:36,703
to be. And that may be clear that this was

2067
02:19:36,804 --> 02:19:40,063
impromptu throw on us really quickly. And with a solution

2068
02:19:40,164 --> 02:19:42,943
that I've never heard of before with brand new positions,

2069
02:19:42,943 --> 02:19:46,143
no job descriptions and really explaining exactly what everyone's going

2070
02:19:46,143 --> 02:19:49,263
to be doing moving forward definitively on the fly. Where

2071
02:19:49,303 --> 02:19:52,383
normal positions arise during budget sessions with a clear and

2072
02:19:52,383 --> 02:19:55,103
concise explanation why we should do this and have that.

2073
02:19:55,103 --> 02:19:57,183
So that was done behind there. And now we got

2074
02:19:57,204 --> 02:19:58,863
to do a report out and it's happened. We had

2075
02:19:58,863 --> 02:20:01,423
to action some of these things. And it was action

2076
02:20:01,463 --> 02:20:03,903
done. I'm just going on record that I did not

2077
02:20:03,903 --> 02:20:05,423
want to action on it. I wanted to figure out

2078
02:20:05,444 --> 02:20:09,194
another solution. So that's where I'm at tonight. And it

2079
02:20:09,194 --> 02:20:15,425
is what it is. Okay. Any other questions counsel Paje.

2080
02:20:18,410 --> 02:20:21,829
Thank you Mr. Mayor. I too have very serious concerns

2081
02:20:22,490 --> 02:20:26,709
regarding what happened and how it came up out. And,

2082
02:20:26,709 --> 02:20:31,891
uh, I voted against it. Uh, so at the deputy

2083
02:20:31,931 --> 02:20:37,975
CAO has been, uh, estates here in her report. The

2084
02:20:38,076 --> 02:20:43,095
deputy CIO has been working with staff and observing the

2085
02:20:43,116 --> 02:20:47,895
business practice of work and workload at the finance department

2086
02:20:48,156 --> 02:20:54,455
for the past couple of years, including the added requests

2087
02:20:54,495 --> 02:20:58,322
from council and the audit and finance committee. And so

2088
02:20:58,423 --> 02:21:02,242
you are the author of this report talking about yourself.

2089
02:21:04,012 --> 02:21:08,551
And then the deputy CIO that on the same report,

2090
02:21:08,551 --> 02:21:14,151
you are now a deputy CAO chief financial officer, director

2091
02:21:14,151 --> 02:21:20,388
of development service. So when did you get the promotion.

2092
02:21:21,033 --> 02:21:25,013
And why is it this been made public. Your worship

2093
02:21:25,053 --> 02:21:27,493
members of council, I believe all of council is aware

2094
02:21:27,533 --> 02:21:29,733
that this happened in April at an in - camera

2095
02:21:29,773 --> 02:21:31,973
session of council and Councillor Prusia, I believe that you

2096
02:21:31,973 --> 02:21:37,093
were there. It happened March 9th, 2026. It did not

2097
02:21:37,133 --> 02:21:39,413
happen on March 9th to correct the record. And I

2098
02:21:39,413 --> 02:21:42,853
will ask the clerk. Council received information in camera on

2099
02:21:42,893 --> 02:21:47,013
March 9th. And then the final, uh, organisational structure was

2100
02:21:47,034 --> 02:21:50,749
brought to council in April. But it was sniffered by

2101
02:21:50,770 --> 02:21:56,101
public. So through your ship. In the March 9th meeting

2102
02:21:56,202 --> 02:22:00,448
was never reported out for definitively. Was this brought to

2103
02:22:00,469 --> 02:22:04,208
Council on OpenSession? So, uh, when this was addressed initially

2104
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:08,008
in March, it was presented for information in April. It

2105
02:22:08,008 --> 02:22:10,208
was brought back in direction was provided as part of

2106
02:22:10,208 --> 02:22:13,888
that direction, a public report was requested. And that is

2107
02:22:13,888 --> 02:22:16,528
what is before us tonight. Having followed all of the

2108
02:22:16,549 --> 02:22:21,813
directions of council. We voted in camera on March 9th.

2109
02:22:22,569 --> 02:22:28,820
Regarding this. Excuse me, not regarding the new structure. You

2110
02:22:28,820 --> 02:22:36,051
received information. No, at that meeting, there was a determination

2111
02:22:37,832 --> 02:22:40,451
about who was going to be put in that position.

2112
02:22:42,256 --> 02:22:47,451
As a chief financial officer. And, uh, further shad, there

2113
02:22:47,491 --> 02:22:53,474
was a mention of money. And other, um, benefits regarding

2114
02:22:53,514 --> 02:22:58,914
that. So three year worship that's, I think what you

2115
02:22:58,914 --> 02:23:01,474
were reporting is related to an in - camera dialogue.

2116
02:23:01,474 --> 02:23:03,934
So I'm very cautious about how we discuss that. But

2117
02:23:03,934 --> 02:23:06,834
certainly that was not what occurred in March. In March,

2118
02:23:06,834 --> 02:23:09,794
it was provided for information, as has been reported out.

2119
02:23:09,794 --> 02:23:12,914
Um, in April, as was reported out, administration was directed

2120
02:23:13,335 --> 02:23:16,994
per sede on the verbal direction of council. And so,

2121
02:23:16,994 --> 02:23:19,074
you know, those are the dates. And I can certainly

2122
02:23:19,175 --> 02:23:22,674
provide you the in - camera minutes to substantiate those

2123
02:23:22,775 --> 02:23:31,498
comments. Okay. So the report states that you supported

2124
02:23:34,559 --> 02:23:39,578
and requests from audit and finance committee, it states that

2125
02:23:40,079 --> 02:23:47,178
new tech required for overall financial management, the tools of

2126
02:23:47,359 --> 02:23:54,750
finance are integrated. But, uh, this is, this hasn't been

2127
02:23:54,790 --> 02:24:00,910
brought to counsel. And we, we haven't done anything to

2128
02:24:00,910 --> 02:24:06,190
make sure that these statements are correct and that the

2129
02:24:06,211 --> 02:24:12,485
financial management is being done properly. Through you, Mr. Mayor,

2130
02:24:12,485 --> 02:24:17,125
um, with respect to the comments about the systems, that

2131
02:24:17,125 --> 02:24:19,605
was raised certainly at the audit and finance committee by

2132
02:24:19,645 --> 02:24:24,440
the former CFO. Okay. Uh, so did you ever advise

2133
02:24:24,701 --> 02:24:28,760
counsel DRed and finance committee? We're concerned that there was

2134
02:24:28,781 --> 02:24:33,333
a control breach. And I wasn't aware of it. And

2135
02:24:33,454 --> 02:24:36,753
it appears counsel wasn't informed and no follow - up

2136
02:24:36,814 --> 02:24:42,422
with this committee. This controlled breach is very concerning, yet

2137
02:24:42,422 --> 02:24:46,891
it appears to have been downplayed. So three, first of

2138
02:24:46,891 --> 02:24:48,891
all, what has that got to do with the issue

2139
02:24:48,931 --> 02:24:54,011
before us? Well, it's all part of the plan where

2140
02:24:54,032 --> 02:24:57,691
she states, and I'm not criticizing her, but she clearly

2141
02:24:58,352 --> 02:25:03,851
states that she was working with the Binance Department and

2142
02:25:03,851 --> 02:25:08,298
all these things were being dealt with. At audit and

2143
02:25:08,338 --> 02:25:11,057
finance. But there was never any follow - up for

2144
02:25:11,097 --> 02:25:16,485
them. True your worship. This question came up at audit

2145
02:25:16,485 --> 02:25:19,125
in finance, and I corrected the record at that time.

2146
02:25:19,125 --> 02:25:21,525
And I'm happy to send that information along to council

2147
02:25:21,525 --> 02:25:25,365
as well. The auditors reported that there was, um, a

2148
02:25:25,386 --> 02:25:29,685
dual level of approval that existed, uh, with the treasure

2149
02:25:29,786 --> 02:25:34,645
several treasures ago several years ago at that time, there

2150
02:25:34,666 --> 02:25:38,645
was no actual, um, wrongdoing that was identified. It was

2151
02:25:38,685 --> 02:25:42,705
simply a process that needed improvements. It was identified. The

2152
02:25:42,826 --> 02:25:46,645
treasure acknowledged it and corrected it. And it was closed.

2153
02:25:46,645 --> 02:25:48,745
And that was fully disclosed to the committee. It was

2154
02:25:48,745 --> 02:25:51,125
fully disclosed to counsel. And as part of the audit

2155
02:25:51,165 --> 02:25:55,525
financial records associated with the town's audited financial statements of

2156
02:25:55,565 --> 02:25:59,925
that year, the two accountants clearly stated that they were

2157
02:25:59,965 --> 02:26:06,325
not informed. In fact, they had a meeting December 1st.

2158
02:26:06,325 --> 02:26:10,005
And there was no follow - up until July 22nd.

2159
02:26:12,413 --> 02:26:16,062
Of this year. So eight months later.

2160
02:26:22,904 --> 02:26:25,123
I'm totally, I'm sorry. I thought I knew everything going

2161
02:26:25,163 --> 02:26:28,463
on around here. I've never heard of this before. Can

2162
02:26:28,463 --> 02:26:33,211
anyone elucidate this. Members of council and a former audit

2163
02:26:33,312 --> 02:26:36,571
as the clerk has stated there was a note that

2164
02:26:36,592 --> 02:26:40,251
the auditors made about a control. Um, it was a

2165
02:26:40,432 --> 02:26:42,411
sign - off control. They noted it. There was no

2166
02:26:42,592 --> 02:26:45,531
one toward action taken because of it. They made a

2167
02:26:45,531 --> 02:26:48,491
recommendation that the control be changed. And that was done.

2168
02:26:48,672 --> 02:26:51,131
And I believe that was reported to the audit and

2169
02:26:51,171 --> 02:26:55,131
finance committee when those financial statements were presented to them.

2170
02:26:55,131 --> 02:26:56,811
And I believe that would have been in the summer

2171
02:26:56,851 --> 02:27:00,011
of 2024 or 2025. I'm sorry. I don't remember the

2172
02:27:00,051 --> 02:27:04,671
year. It actually would have been prior to 2021. As

2173
02:27:04,671 --> 02:27:07,231
it was when treasure Russo was here who left in

2174
02:27:07,252 --> 02:27:12,511
2021. So, um, it certainly very old. At the December

2175
02:27:12,612 --> 02:27:17,051
meeting, what was discussed was that town budget deliberations, The

2176
02:27:17,051 --> 02:27:19,951
Operating Capital Budgets were deliberated. And then the next meeting

2177
02:27:19,991 --> 02:27:22,191
of the committee that took place was when the audit

2178
02:27:22,231 --> 02:27:25,071
financial statements came back, which is their next regularly scheduled

2179
02:27:25,111 --> 02:27:32,289
activity. Okay. Well, they raised it again on July 22nd.

2180
02:27:32,289 --> 02:27:35,004
And the fact of the matter. On a point of

2181
02:27:35,004 --> 02:27:38,524
order, can we keep the conversation focused on the, like

2182
02:27:38,545 --> 02:27:41,724
the motion item on the floor? I tried. And I'm

2183
02:27:41,724 --> 02:27:45,004
not, I'm not sure where all of this is going,

2184
02:27:45,004 --> 02:27:48,486
except. Because this is in her report. That she was,

2185
02:27:48,486 --> 02:27:51,606
uh, involved with the audit and finance committee and bringing

2186
02:27:51,646 --> 02:27:56,325
this back to council. What about. Are you saying that

2187
02:27:56,346 --> 02:28:00,417
this is Ms. Osborne's report says all of this. Well,

2188
02:28:00,758 --> 02:28:04,017
he, she refers to the fact that she's been working

2189
02:28:04,678 --> 02:28:09,617
with, uh, finance department and the audit and finance committee.

2190
02:28:09,617 --> 02:28:11,777
It states it very clearly in the report that she's

2191
02:28:11,777 --> 02:28:17,857
been doing is for the past, uh, months. But in

2192
02:28:17,878 --> 02:28:22,097
reality, I only knew her to be the deputy CAO

2193
02:28:23,078 --> 02:28:30,533
and involved with, um, economic development and tourism. But it

2194
02:28:30,573 --> 02:28:34,053
states in a report. I was reading from it. Your

2195
02:28:34,093 --> 02:28:36,733
worship members of council as the clerk has mentioned. We

2196
02:28:36,733 --> 02:28:40,853
have to be careful what we say regarding in camera,

2197
02:28:40,853 --> 02:28:45,173
uh, deliberation. However, all of council was aware of the

2198
02:28:45,213 --> 02:28:49,733
changes being made in finance. Uh, in April and Councillor

2199
02:28:49,754 --> 02:28:51,973
Pouge was at that meeting. So she should have been

2200
02:28:51,994 --> 02:29:00,013
aware. Of the March 9th meeting to report out.

2201
02:29:03,863 --> 02:29:08,002
Again, you know, I haven't dealt yet with Councillor Crane.

2202
02:29:08,002 --> 02:29:10,562
I think your point is well taken. I mean, I

2203
02:29:10,562 --> 02:29:14,042
don't know where all this is going Councillor Prusa. I

2204
02:29:14,042 --> 02:29:17,362
don't know except you obviously are trying to dig up

2205
02:29:17,623 --> 02:29:23,042
old things against either Ms. Osborne or the finance department

2206
02:29:23,223 --> 02:29:26,322
or something. And I can't figure out why. I cannot

2207
02:29:26,503 --> 02:29:28,962
for the life of me. It's not making any sense.

2208
02:29:32,536 --> 02:29:36,035
Can you please tell me why you feel it necessary

2209
02:29:36,056 --> 02:29:38,945
to do this. Or else I'm going to rule on

2210
02:29:39,286 --> 02:29:42,785
his notice of motion. I mean, his point of order.

2211
02:29:44,177 --> 02:29:48,768
I'm speaking on the report. I'm speaking to the report

2212
02:29:49,189 --> 02:29:54,852
that's before us. And those things, big questions because it

2213
02:29:54,873 --> 02:29:59,092
brings into effect the audit and finance committee. I just

2214
02:29:59,113 --> 02:30:05,493
attended their last meeting. July 22nd. It's not before us.

2215
02:30:05,493 --> 02:30:10,453
The minutes are not before us. Yet the accessibility committee

2216
02:30:10,493 --> 02:30:16,840
meeting one day later, their minutes are before us. Okay.

2217
02:30:16,840 --> 02:30:21,800
But what has that O ties together with the report.

2218
02:30:23,608 --> 02:30:26,307
Sorry, I don't see it. Your point of order as

2219
02:30:26,307 --> 02:30:28,547
well taken, um, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to

2220
02:30:28,587 --> 02:30:32,307
ask Councillor Prugget that you desist from this line of

2221
02:30:32,648 --> 02:30:38,344
questioning. Please deal with the new structure. That's what is

2222
02:30:38,384 --> 02:30:41,704
before us. I look, I think it's, it's not fair

2223
02:30:42,205 --> 02:30:45,304
to staff. It's not fair to counsel that you bring

2224
02:30:45,344 --> 02:30:47,864
up things that go back five and six years and

2225
02:30:47,904 --> 02:30:50,984
ask for reports and do things that none of us

2226
02:30:51,565 --> 02:30:54,584
were even there or understand. The staff has made the

2227
02:30:54,765 --> 02:30:59,044
explanation and Councillor Crane's position on this is correct. And

2228
02:30:59,044 --> 02:31:02,264
I am ruling in his favor that the point of

2229
02:31:02,264 --> 02:31:05,624
order as well taken. And please, please ask your questions

2230
02:31:06,285 --> 02:31:14,011
on the establishment of the new finance department. We're raised

2231
02:31:14,051 --> 02:31:18,891
at the audit and finance committee meeting on July 22nd.

2232
02:31:18,891 --> 02:31:23,483
That's what my point. They were raised there. Okay. And

2233
02:31:24,144 --> 02:31:30,838
to what did they pass. Where motions made that passed?

2234
02:31:32,993 --> 02:31:35,612
Where motions made that past. The audit and finance committee.

2235
02:31:37,937 --> 02:31:40,156
In the same question. And they were, I were not

2236
02:31:40,156 --> 02:31:44,101
getting the same. The answers that they sought. I don't

2237
02:31:44,141 --> 02:31:46,741
know. The clerk, were you there at that meeting? I'm

2238
02:31:46,781 --> 02:31:49,861
not understanding what councillor Pouge is trying to do or

2239
02:31:49,962 --> 02:31:53,301
to say. Three of you, your worship. I struggle this

2240
02:31:53,301 --> 02:31:55,781
well. Um, unfortunately, you know, I was present for that

2241
02:31:55,802 --> 02:31:59,061
meeting. If there was something substantive related to this report

2242
02:31:59,162 --> 02:32:00,981
that came out of that meeting, we'd certainly have that

2243
02:32:01,002 --> 02:32:04,181
before you. It'd certainly be part of this report. I

2244
02:32:04,181 --> 02:32:07,461
do not see a connection between these, uh, items. There

2245
02:32:07,501 --> 02:32:10,581
is a mention that she has worked with that committee.

2246
02:32:10,581 --> 02:32:13,701
Um, but that really has no bearing on the financial

2247
02:32:13,722 --> 02:32:20,758
services department or the restructuring. Okay. Council of Pouger, the

2248
02:32:20,758 --> 02:32:22,298
floor is still yours. Do you have any questions about

2249
02:32:22,639 --> 02:32:27,428
the new organisational structure. Which is what we're dealing with.

2250
02:32:29,739 --> 02:32:32,838
And bring it forward because at that meeting, when they

2251
02:32:32,878 --> 02:32:40,518
were very clear about, um, some very personal issues, they

2252
02:32:40,518 --> 02:32:44,608
were told that's it. You can't ask those questions. Can't

2253
02:32:44,608 --> 02:32:48,748
make this motion. And further to that, I do, uh,

2254
02:32:49,029 --> 02:32:54,536
stop, uh, the meetings have all been cancelled. Well, I

2255
02:32:54,536 --> 02:32:58,116
don't know whether I have no evidence of this. And

2256
02:32:58,116 --> 02:33:01,016
I don't know, does council want to hear more questions

2257
02:33:01,197 --> 02:33:07,323
of this. I don't think so. Councillor Crain. Are we

2258
02:33:07,323 --> 02:33:11,005
able to call the question and vote. On the motion

2259
02:33:11,186 --> 02:33:17,683
for us? And you know, the question can be called.

2260
02:33:17,683 --> 02:33:22,323
It requires a two thirds majority. And, but if the

2261
02:33:22,323 --> 02:33:24,403
members who other members who have questions, who have not

2262
02:33:24,584 --> 02:33:26,883
had a chance. I'll hold off if the other members,

2263
02:33:26,883 --> 02:33:31,603
but otherwise they. Okay. I will come back to you,

2264
02:33:31,603 --> 02:33:35,123
Councillor Pouger. Later, if you have any questions related to

2265
02:33:35,123 --> 02:33:42,000
the issue at hand. Councillor McArthur. Thank you. Worship, I

2266
02:33:42,000 --> 02:33:45,400
just, I want to ask, uh, couple of questions and

2267
02:33:45,421 --> 02:33:48,720
also just speak a bit, uh, to the report. I

2268
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:51,960
actually want to thank administration for, for bringing such a

2269
02:33:52,141 --> 02:33:59,720
Folsom, uh, report forward sort of explaining, uh, this restructuring,

2270
02:33:59,720 --> 02:34:04,760
um, why it was necessary. And what the benefits are

2271
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:08,560
going to be going forward. So what's pretty clear, I

2272
02:34:08,560 --> 02:34:10,680
mean, two things I think need to be said. One,

2273
02:34:10,680 --> 02:34:15,889
we had earlier tonight. Um, presentation, a third party presentation,

2274
02:34:15,889 --> 02:34:18,689
you know, discussing our audited financial statements that said we

2275
02:34:18,729 --> 02:34:22,529
have solid, we have robust internal controls in place. I

2276
02:34:22,529 --> 02:34:27,249
think that's, that's important. Um, can they be better? Sure.

2277
02:34:27,249 --> 02:34:29,409
Of course they can be better. If the one department

2278
02:34:30,230 --> 02:34:33,249
that this town of all the towns in Ontario wants

2279
02:34:33,249 --> 02:34:35,889
to be in tip top shape, given our history, it's

2280
02:34:35,910 --> 02:34:40,449
finance. Right. Uh, we've made incredible strings. Um, over the

2281
02:34:40,449 --> 02:34:43,949
past eight years, uh, but, uh, prior to that, uh,

2282
02:34:44,230 --> 02:34:47,489
you know, they were, there were some issues. We all

2283
02:34:47,489 --> 02:34:52,769
remember those headlines. So, uh, you know, reports from Deloitte,

2284
02:34:52,769 --> 02:34:55,169
you know, recommendations, you know, on and on and on.

2285
02:34:55,169 --> 02:34:58,369
We've done incredible work to get our financial House and

2286
02:34:58,369 --> 02:35:01,329
order input solid internal controls in place. But what this

2287
02:35:01,350 --> 02:35:05,809
report tells us pretty clearly is that two things it

2288
02:35:05,809 --> 02:35:09,649
tells us one, the demands on finance staff are going

2289
02:35:09,990 --> 02:35:12,129
in, they're increasingly more complex. We just had a huge

2290
02:35:12,230 --> 02:35:18,332
debate about this with these Biontarial provisions. Um, and, you

2291
02:35:18,332 --> 02:35:20,832
know, the whole workload has changed. There's multi - year

2292
02:35:20,832 --> 02:35:25,792
capital planning, workaround reserves and grants, development charge requirements, procurement

2293
02:35:25,813 --> 02:35:29,472
requirements, more transactions. There are busier now than they ever

2294
02:35:29,493 --> 02:35:32,272
were. And this is the thing that should concern people.

2295
02:35:32,272 --> 02:35:39,472
Not that we're restructuring, but this report says finance staff,

2296
02:35:39,472 --> 02:35:41,952
they've worked in excessive overtime, having weekly meetings to decide

2297
02:35:41,992 --> 02:35:45,052
what work has to be besponed. Sometimes for months, you

2298
02:35:45,052 --> 02:35:48,232
know, these pressures have been building for 24 months. So

2299
02:35:50,853 --> 02:35:53,712
it's pretty clear that when it comes to finance, we

2300
02:35:53,752 --> 02:35:56,832
need more feed on the street. We need people crunching

2301
02:35:56,832 --> 02:36:00,392
the numbers, reading the reports and getting things ready. So

2302
02:36:00,392 --> 02:36:03,392
for a constant 25, 000 dollars, what this report has

2303
02:36:03,392 --> 02:36:06,992
done, it's eliminated to, you know, a corner office to

2304
02:36:07,032 --> 02:36:09,792
eliminate it a title. A director of corporate services and

2305
02:36:09,832 --> 02:36:11,792
it's replaced it with people that can get to work

2306
02:36:11,893 --> 02:36:14,752
done on the ground. There's a manager of purchasing capital

2307
02:36:14,773 --> 02:36:18,432
and grants position and a senior financial analysts for a

2308
02:36:18,432 --> 02:36:21,763
cost of 25, 000 dollars. So the one thing that,

2309
02:36:21,763 --> 02:36:25,123
you know, administration, like how can we put, and one

2310
02:36:25,123 --> 02:36:26,803
other thing I'm going to say too, there not only

2311
02:36:26,904 --> 02:36:28,883
putting people in places where they need to be to

2312
02:36:28,923 --> 02:36:33,043
get the jobs done to fulfill our obligation to be

2313
02:36:33,083 --> 02:36:36,883
solid financial stewards of this town. They've identified already 37

2314
02:36:36,923 --> 02:36:41,544
business process improvements. Some involving automation and technology. Okay. So

2315
02:36:42,525 --> 02:36:47,410
they're getting that house. In order. Um, so I guess

2316
02:36:47,431 --> 02:36:50,926
my question is that is this enough. So we can

2317
02:36:51,027 --> 02:36:54,606
address these problems and be on a more solid financial

2318
02:36:54,707 --> 02:36:57,646
footing going forward. Or what else does this council need

2319
02:36:57,646 --> 02:37:02,366
to do to keep the steady shape of our fiscal

2320
02:37:02,406 --> 02:37:05,326
ship on this forward trajectory that this report is putting

2321
02:37:05,587 --> 02:37:09,885
us on. PETTON. Through you, Mr. Mayor to Councillor McArthur.

2322
02:37:09,885 --> 02:37:11,925
And I would ask that Mr. Mancina chime in. If

2323
02:37:11,925 --> 02:37:15,405
he has anything further to add at this point, these

2324
02:37:15,426 --> 02:37:18,845
are the resources that we've identified that fill the gaps

2325
02:37:18,885 --> 02:37:22,685
that are currently there. The business processes that we have

2326
02:37:22,725 --> 02:37:25,565
identified were currently going through them. We're looking for all

2327
02:37:25,565 --> 02:37:28,025
of the low - hanging fruit, the quick winds, the

2328
02:37:28,025 --> 02:37:31,085
low cost options that we can get implemented quickly and

2329
02:37:31,125 --> 02:37:33,885
efficiently. They give us gains, much like the one before

2330
02:37:33,906 --> 02:37:36,685
council this evening to change the credit card policy so

2331
02:37:36,725 --> 02:37:40,285
that we can stop processing Amazon invoices for 10 dollars

2332
02:37:40,866 --> 02:37:43,565
through a very complicated AP process and just pay it

2333
02:37:43,565 --> 02:37:46,825
on the credit card that has due diligence, processes. And

2334
02:37:46,825 --> 02:37:49,325
it's far more efficient and does not waste manual labour

2335
02:37:49,346 --> 02:37:52,765
for no reason. Once we get through all of those,

2336
02:37:52,765 --> 02:37:55,565
we suspect there is quite likely going to be some

2337
02:37:55,826 --> 02:37:59,245
software improvements that need to happen. This is not new.

2338
02:37:59,245 --> 02:38:01,325
This has been stated to audit and finance when they've

2339
02:38:01,365 --> 02:38:04,285
asked for different types of ways in which information can

2340
02:38:04,325 --> 02:38:08,045
be communicated to them. We are limited in our systems.

2341
02:38:08,045 --> 02:38:10,925
We are limited in our automation and our discussions with

2342
02:38:10,925 --> 02:38:15,405
other municipalities have highlighted for us that we are behind.

2343
02:38:15,405 --> 02:38:17,805
At this point until such time, as I've actually seen

2344
02:38:17,826 --> 02:38:21,885
all those things implemented and that we are still overcapacity,

2345
02:38:21,885 --> 02:38:25,085
which I do not suspect the situation will be. I'm

2346
02:38:25,125 --> 02:38:29,245
not recommending any more resources. There is abundant opportunity to

2347
02:38:29,426 --> 02:38:33,165
create space and abilities to take on more once we

2348
02:38:33,165 --> 02:38:41,182
stop doing useless things. Any other questions.

2349
02:38:44,542 --> 02:38:51,053
Any other statements. Okay, so. We have a motion on

2350
02:38:51,093 --> 02:38:55,453
the floor. Could you read out the motion because that

2351
02:38:55,453 --> 02:38:58,573
the report be received for information and that bylaw 2026

2352
02:38:58,674 --> 02:39:01,853
- 042 being a bylaw to appoint a treasure and

2353
02:39:01,893 --> 02:39:04,093
a deputy treasurer be taken as having been read three

2354
02:39:04,093 --> 02:39:06,573
times and finally passed. And the mayor and clerk be

2355
02:39:06,573 --> 02:39:12,421
authorized to sign scene. Okay, all those in favor. Opposed.

2356
02:39:15,235 --> 02:39:17,774
Well, again, I got three in favor and nobody voting

2357
02:39:18,195 --> 02:39:19,774
a post. So the motion carries.

2358
02:39:29,124 --> 02:39:37,369
All right. Next is 11. 2 final approval for long

2359
02:39:37,409 --> 02:39:42,085
- term debt. Evidence by debenture to be issued. To

2360
02:39:42,125 --> 02:39:46,325
Ontario Infrastructure and Lens Corporation often referred to as infrastructure

2361
02:39:46,746 --> 02:39:53,045
Ontario Deventure. Any questions or comments, Councillor Crane. I'll move

2362
02:39:53,546 --> 02:39:57,253
the staff recommendation before us. Second, if I counsel a

2363
02:39:57,274 --> 02:40:03,319
lair, any questions or discussion. Seeing none, all those in

2364
02:40:03,359 --> 02:40:13,008
favor opposed. That's carried. Okay. 11. 3.

2365
02:40:14,709 --> 02:40:22,006
Is done. 11. 4. Now before us, which is the

2366
02:40:22,267 --> 02:40:28,604
year - end budget to actual summaries and transfers. Questions.

2367
02:40:33,758 --> 02:40:38,014
Okay. Councillor Courtney. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. A lot of

2368
02:40:38,054 --> 02:40:40,974
financial statements and things. And we're in the positive, which

2369
02:40:40,974 --> 02:40:42,734
is good, right? That's how businesses run. You should have

2370
02:40:42,774 --> 02:40:44,654
a surplus. You don't want to be in a deficit.

2371
02:40:44,654 --> 02:40:46,574
Um, so we ended what I'm seeing on the one

2372
02:40:46,574 --> 02:40:52,450
page. We ended with 2, 141 taxation supported surplus. The

2373
02:40:52,471 --> 02:40:54,290
question I had, and we had it at IRCA as

2374
02:40:54,290 --> 02:40:57,890
well. WSIB rebate. Is that I'm just playing this as

2375
02:40:57,911 --> 02:41:01,410
devil's advocate. Does that happen often? It was this one

2376
02:41:01,431 --> 02:41:03,170
- off. And would we expect this again in a

2377
02:41:03,170 --> 02:41:05,330
year or two? It was 483, 000 dollars for a

2378
02:41:05,330 --> 02:41:12,467
rebate. Yes. Yes, we potentially could have a WSIB rebate.

2379
02:41:12,467 --> 02:41:13,987
However, we won't know until the end of the year.

2380
02:41:13,987 --> 02:41:16,584
It is a calculation that they provide us. And so

2381
02:41:16,925 --> 02:41:18,744
when we start the budget year, they tell us what

2382
02:41:18,744 --> 02:41:21,624
we should expect our expenditures to be. That is how

2383
02:41:21,624 --> 02:41:24,024
we budget at the end of the year. They provide

2384
02:41:24,045 --> 02:41:25,944
us information on whether or not there will be a

2385
02:41:25,965 --> 02:41:28,504
rebate. In this year, it was a rather sizable one.

2386
02:41:28,685 --> 02:41:32,344
Okay. My second question is, and I ask it again,

2387
02:41:32,344 --> 02:41:35,224
what is considered a good, I mean, we try to

2388
02:41:35,224 --> 02:41:37,464
figure out all the things that are happening throughout the

2389
02:41:37,464 --> 02:41:40,504
year. And the things that happen employees come, employees go.

2390
02:41:40,504 --> 02:41:43,784
Their savings here. There's over, overshoes on road projects like

2391
02:41:43,805 --> 02:41:48,824
I'm McCurdy. Um, what's considered a good amount of surplus

2392
02:41:48,864 --> 02:41:51,064
money because you don't want to go too heavy with

2393
02:41:51,104 --> 02:41:54,104
it because then you've overtaxed inadvertently. Um, but at the

2394
02:41:54,104 --> 02:41:56,304
same time, you want to be cautious and safe. So

2395
02:41:56,304 --> 02:41:58,744
what would be, is this a good number, how high

2396
02:41:58,765 --> 02:42:01,731
would we want this or low? So your worship members

2397
02:42:01,752 --> 02:42:04,491
and council, um, when we got the final number, I

2398
02:42:04,491 --> 02:42:08,451
did the calculation and our surplus is just about three

2399
02:42:08,472 --> 02:42:12,131
percent of our total budget. And of course, the budget

2400
02:42:12,152 --> 02:42:16,511
is a guest estimate. Best guesstimate, um, which is, you

2401
02:42:16,511 --> 02:42:18,291
know, we, we try to get as close as we

2402
02:42:18,291 --> 02:42:20,851
can. So I think on a, on the 65 million

2403
02:42:21,192 --> 02:42:24,931
dollar plus budget being within three percent is a good

2404
02:42:24,952 --> 02:42:27,891
number. And I would remind counsel too it's also in

2405
02:42:27,891 --> 02:42:32,531
the report, um, that at budget last year, instead of,

2406
02:42:32,531 --> 02:42:38,691
um, increasing your, your annual, uh, investment into the asset

2407
02:42:38,731 --> 02:42:42,531
management program and raising, um, you know, putting a permanent

2408
02:42:42,872 --> 02:42:47,091
increase in that amount onto the tax levy. You stated

2409
02:42:47,091 --> 02:42:49,891
that, um, should we have a surplus? That would be

2410
02:42:49,931 --> 02:42:53,371
a first charge against the surplus, so to speak. So

2411
02:42:53,432 --> 02:42:57,231
that has, has panned out, um, as well. So, um,

2412
02:42:57,352 --> 02:42:59,651
although we've got that two million dollar surplus, we do

2413
02:42:59,651 --> 02:43:01,571
now have that savings, if you will, to put into

2414
02:43:01,611 --> 02:43:05,651
our asset management program, which, um, I think is a,

2415
02:43:05,651 --> 02:43:15,004
uh, good news item. Further questions. Further questions. Seeing none,

2416
02:43:15,004 --> 02:43:24,301
motions. Crane saw your hand first. Recommendation. Second up by

2417
02:43:24,341 --> 02:43:29,903
Councillor Lair. Any discussion on the motion. Seeing none, all

2418
02:43:29,924 --> 02:43:37,683
those in favor. Posed, that's carried. 11. 5, The Amended

2419
02:43:37,784 --> 02:43:45,735
and New Financial Policies. Any questions. Councillor Larry is moving

2420
02:43:45,836 --> 02:43:54,727
the staff recommendation. Seconded by. Councillor Crane. Any discussion. Seeing

2421
02:43:54,767 --> 02:43:57,272
none, all those in favor. Pose that's carried.

2422
02:44:15,950 --> 02:44:23,009
What's happening? Okay. Even with my hearing aids in, I

2423
02:44:23,009 --> 02:44:32,027
can't, okay. Okay. Uh, 13, uh, point one, 2026 roads

2424
02:44:32,208 --> 02:44:40,673
repair program tender results. Questions. Councillor Lair. Thank you, Mr.

2425
02:44:40,713 --> 02:44:43,553
Mayor, through you. Uh, just a question. Is this where

2426
02:44:43,593 --> 02:44:46,193
we repair sections of the road or is this a

2427
02:44:46,233 --> 02:44:51,185
specific road that's going to be repaired. Mr. Mayor, Jesse's

2428
02:44:51,185 --> 02:44:56,243
online. He can answer that. Oh, and Jesse, we can't

2429
02:44:56,243 --> 02:45:01,314
hear you. Sorry. Just see if you can turn your

2430
02:45:01,354 --> 02:45:10,072
mic on. Or. Lieu of just the answering. I can

2431
02:45:10,072 --> 02:45:13,272
answer that. Okay. Thank you, Todd. Hopefully you can get

2432
02:45:13,272 --> 02:45:16,457
his microphone fixed. So yes, this road repairs program is

2433
02:45:16,457 --> 02:45:20,937
exactly that. These are where we repair larger sections of

2434
02:45:21,038 --> 02:45:23,177
road, but certainly not the whole road where we see

2435
02:45:23,518 --> 02:45:26,777
a pretty significant failure. Perfect. And do we have a

2436
02:45:27,198 --> 02:45:29,257
road section that we're planning on or is it all

2437
02:45:29,358 --> 02:45:33,528
throughout our town. It would be all throughout the town.

2438
02:45:33,528 --> 02:45:35,667
It would be different areas. That over the course of

2439
02:45:35,667 --> 02:45:38,947
the year that we would identify. And we would mark

2440
02:45:38,968 --> 02:45:42,227
those areas out. And then as then we tender it.

2441
02:45:42,227 --> 02:45:43,587
And as long as we have the money, those will

2442
02:45:43,627 --> 02:45:45,907
be completed. Perfect. Thank you very much. I will move

2443
02:45:46,328 --> 02:45:53,010
the staff recommendation. Okay. Is there a seconder. Councillor Crane.

2444
02:45:53,010 --> 02:45:57,610
Any discussion. All those in favor. Of pose that's carried.

2445
02:45:59,608 --> 02:46:04,867
Thirteen point two North side road Reconstruction, Acceptance and Infrastructure

2446
02:46:05,288 --> 02:46:13,491
and Start of Maintenance. Uh, Councillor Courtney. Second of my

2447
02:46:13,512 --> 02:46:18,145
councillor lair. Any discussion. All those in favor pose that's

2448
02:46:18,145 --> 02:46:23,920
carried. Next one, 13. 3 bob low wastewater treatment plant

2449
02:46:24,101 --> 02:46:29,440
decommissioning. I didn't declare this because it's a town facility.

2450
02:46:30,766 --> 02:46:33,545
Okay. And okay. Uh, so, um, so I don't have

2451
02:46:33,566 --> 02:46:41,424
one. 13. 3 any discussion questions. Councillor Lair. Staff recommendation

2452
02:46:41,685 --> 02:46:47,687
seconded by. Councillor Pouger. All those in favor. Bose that's

2453
02:46:47,727 --> 02:46:57,476
carried. There are 13. 4 is done. Yes. And 13.

2454
02:46:57,577 --> 02:47:05,905
5 is done. And 13. 6. Walk replacement program tender

2455
02:47:05,905 --> 02:47:12,853
results. Questions or comments, councillor Lair. Do we just through

2456
02:47:13,034 --> 02:47:15,013
you two back to Todd, please. Uh, do we have

2457
02:47:15,053 --> 02:47:18,453
a section that we are specifically focusing on our wrote

2458
02:47:18,493 --> 02:47:24,919
our town as well. Is it just for some code?

2459
02:47:24,919 --> 02:47:27,405
That was my follow. Uh, let's see if Jesse's mic

2460
02:47:27,445 --> 02:47:32,289
works this time. Hello. There's my network. You're there. Yay.

2461
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:38,409
So three YouTube missile three mayor to counsel lair. So

2462
02:47:38,409 --> 02:47:43,389
this sidewalk tender is going to be, um, for, um,

2463
02:47:43,590 --> 02:47:45,948
Cylok segments that are throughout the town. Uh, we are

2464
02:47:45,969 --> 02:47:51,628
replacing, um, the along SIMCO where the, uh, high school

2465
02:47:51,809 --> 02:47:56,527
is at. We are placing that replacing that stretch from

2466
02:47:56,548 --> 02:47:59,567
the high school to George Street as of right now.

2467
02:48:02,324 --> 02:48:06,392
Very much. And I will move this staff recommendation. Second

2468
02:48:06,432 --> 02:48:11,175
of my councillor McArthur. Any discussion. See, none of all

2469
02:48:11,175 --> 02:48:16,193
those in favor. Foes that's carried. 14. 1 amendment to

2470
02:48:16,193 --> 02:48:22,430
the economic development community improvement plan. Questions.

2471
02:48:26,152 --> 02:48:29,491
Moved by Councillor Lair, the staff recommendation seconded by Council

2472
02:48:29,491 --> 02:48:33,638
of Crane. Any discussion on the motion. All those in

2473
02:48:33,678 --> 02:48:40,426
favor. Pose. That's carried. Uh, 14. 2 Heritage Eastment Agreement

2474
02:48:40,927 --> 02:48:45,066
130 sandwich street south, just for clarity. That's the former

2475
02:48:45,167 --> 02:48:51,815
high school councillor crane. Yes. Thank you, worship through you

2476
02:48:52,236 --> 02:48:57,015
to staff. Um, personally, I'm comfortable with the Heritage Gisman

2477
02:48:57,055 --> 02:49:00,460
Agreement, The Developer, uh, seems to be on board. It

2478
02:49:00,500 --> 02:49:03,420
works as a happy medium for the town and also,

2479
02:49:03,420 --> 02:49:06,680
uh, the development. I did have a question on, uh,

2480
02:49:06,881 --> 02:49:12,819
the third part of the recommendation. Bylaw 2026 - 045

2481
02:49:13,160 --> 02:49:16,659
being a bylaw to designate property of cultural heritage value

2482
02:49:16,680 --> 02:49:21,853
or interest. And it goes on. Uh, outlines these specific

2483
02:49:21,874 --> 02:49:27,295
lots. Is that designating the property in its entirety. Or

2484
02:49:27,316 --> 02:49:30,415
is that just a follow - up motion to just

2485
02:49:30,596 --> 02:49:34,175
the heritage easement agreement? Because if it's too designate the

2486
02:49:34,196 --> 02:49:37,055
property, it's not something that I would support. And I'd

2487
02:49:37,095 --> 02:49:43,112
rather see the motion split. Mr. Coates is here. If

2488
02:49:43,112 --> 02:49:47,992
you could explain what the bylaw details? Through your worship,

2489
02:49:47,992 --> 02:49:50,792
yeah. That is a designation of the property. The Heritage

2490
02:49:50,792 --> 02:49:53,832
Easement takes precedent over the designation. So what is in

2491
02:49:53,832 --> 02:49:58,989
the easement. Um, has higher priority over the actual designation

2492
02:49:59,029 --> 02:50:01,629
of the property. Uh, usually when a Heritage Mint is

2493
02:50:01,629 --> 02:50:04,425
brought forward, a designation does come with it. The easement

2494
02:50:04,606 --> 02:50:08,505
sets the framework on a morph kind of finer grain

2495
02:50:08,505 --> 02:50:12,265
detail of what the requirements are. Uh, either exceptions from

2496
02:50:12,366 --> 02:50:16,165
the designation and or what needs to be done, uh,

2497
02:50:16,165 --> 02:50:19,465
to satisfy the easement. So it is a common practice.

2498
02:50:19,465 --> 02:50:22,825
Okay. So it supersedes the designation. Those are the only

2499
02:50:22,846 --> 02:50:27,305
requirements. Correct. Okay. And the developer is on board with

2500
02:50:27,305 --> 02:50:30,425
this based on my understanding. That's my information. I have

2501
02:50:30,425 --> 02:50:34,105
not spoken directly with the developer, but my information from

2502
02:50:34,206 --> 02:50:38,427
Mr. Coates is that he's on board. That is correct.

2503
02:50:40,208 --> 02:50:44,187
I'll move to the recommendation in its entirety. Okay. Uh,

2504
02:50:44,528 --> 02:50:51,114
seconded by, uh, councillor Courtney. Any discussion on this. Councillor

2505
02:50:51,154 --> 02:50:54,874
Courtney first and then Councillor Pouger. Thank you Mr. Mayor.

2506
02:50:54,874 --> 02:50:57,514
Um, I am second in it. I did, uh, quick

2507
02:50:57,535 --> 02:51:00,154
talk with Mr. Valenti. So I want to thank all

2508
02:51:00,194 --> 02:51:02,074
parties here. I'm glad that, uh, everyone was able to

2509
02:51:02,575 --> 02:51:07,114
find a mutual agreement. This is such an important project

2510
02:51:07,295 --> 02:51:10,554
to move forward. And I'm very confident that the Valente

2511
02:51:10,735 --> 02:51:13,674
Development Court will get this. Our ink will get it

2512
02:51:13,674 --> 02:51:17,934
done. Um, the right way with pride. And be able

2513
02:51:17,934 --> 02:51:20,414
to do it without too many complications. So I'm glad

2514
02:51:20,414 --> 02:51:22,254
that the Heritage Committee and everything was able to get

2515
02:51:22,435 --> 02:51:24,734
rectified because the only reason why I'm getting behind this

2516
02:51:24,774 --> 02:51:28,222
is because the developer can. Be okay with this. And

2517
02:51:28,222 --> 02:51:29,922
that's the only reason why I'm supporting it because ultimately

2518
02:51:30,983 --> 02:51:32,962
this is a lot at stake here. And I'm happy

2519
02:51:33,002 --> 02:51:35,042
to see that we're at a point out where it'll

2520
02:51:35,082 --> 02:51:36,962
be proceed. And I hope it's sooner than later. That's

2521
02:51:36,983 --> 02:51:40,634
all I have to say. So thank you. Councillor Pouger.

2522
02:51:43,247 --> 02:51:46,646
Mr. Mayor, I just want to make sure that, um,

2523
02:51:47,807 --> 02:51:52,026
The developer is happy with all three of the recommendations

2524
02:51:52,047 --> 02:52:00,977
on here. Okay. And, um. I guess I should be

2525
02:52:01,017 --> 02:52:05,370
directing it to the Heritage Planner. So are there any

2526
02:52:05,410 --> 02:52:11,278
other roadblocks in place. Right now? Arcan Mr. Valenti proceed

2527
02:52:11,539 --> 02:52:19,215
with, um, continuing with these plans to build. Worship. Um,

2528
02:52:19,256 --> 02:52:21,955
I can only speak currently to the, um, the Heritage

2529
02:52:21,955 --> 02:52:25,635
Eastman Agreement, of course, that was negotiated with Valente Development.

2530
02:52:26,380 --> 02:52:28,919
And what that did is it set up the very

2531
02:52:29,020 --> 02:52:32,506
defined path forward. Uh, in order to get, uh, to

2532
02:52:32,506 --> 02:52:35,386
the development he wants and ensuring that the level of

2533
02:52:35,407 --> 02:52:37,786
comfort, uh, on his end where there won't be any

2534
02:52:37,807 --> 02:52:41,386
surprises or surprise decisions. Let's say if the Heritage Committee

2535
02:52:41,426 --> 02:52:44,666
changes or if the council changes, um, so it sets

2536
02:52:44,706 --> 02:52:48,106
the framework for that. So I believe, um, that, that

2537
02:52:48,127 --> 02:52:52,498
path is set. And everybody's currently happy with it. Um,

2538
02:52:53,819 --> 02:52:56,258
I'm not sure with roadblocks what you might say, but

2539
02:52:56,299 --> 02:52:58,758
I know this is a complicated development. Of course, there's

2540
02:52:58,758 --> 02:53:00,198
other approvals that are going to have to come forward.

2541
02:53:04,959 --> 02:53:10,538
Dr. Asple, do you have any, uh, ideas if Mr.

2542
02:53:10,639 --> 02:53:13,178
Valenti can proceed rather quickly now.

2543
02:53:21,071 --> 02:53:24,810
Mr. Mayor to members of council, Planning Act Improvals are

2544
02:53:24,810 --> 02:53:28,010
in place. The official plan designation zoning by law amendment.

2545
02:53:29,088 --> 02:53:33,473
Are both in place. As previously approved by council. Unless

2546
02:53:33,574 --> 02:53:38,171
there's further changes to the proposal. It's in the developer's

2547
02:53:38,211 --> 02:53:44,078
hands. Oh, he needs this building permit. In theory, he

2548
02:53:44,099 --> 02:53:51,017
could play for building permits. Okay. All right. Councillor McArthur.

2549
02:53:52,678 --> 02:53:57,019
Thank you. So I want to thank Mr. Valente for,

2550
02:53:57,019 --> 02:54:00,209
uh, sitting here tonight. He's been here at least in

2551
02:54:00,230 --> 02:54:02,369
six and it's 9. 30. So thank you for respecting

2552
02:54:02,390 --> 02:54:07,820
the process. And respecting these chambers. And, uh, thank you

2553
02:54:08,001 --> 02:54:11,083
for. The investment you've made in this town and that

2554
02:54:11,123 --> 02:54:13,883
you're about to make in this town and even greater

2555
02:54:13,923 --> 02:54:16,763
investment that's going to be, you know, dividends for, for

2556
02:54:16,784 --> 02:54:21,803
generations to come. And thank you for working through this

2557
02:54:21,984 --> 02:54:26,123
process with town staff to come to this agreement where

2558
02:54:26,704 --> 02:54:30,124
everybody wins. I mean, at that meeting when we issue

2559
02:54:30,225 --> 02:54:33,164
the notice of intent to designate, I mean, you can't

2560
02:54:33,204 --> 02:54:37,404
really, you know, judge, uh, your council actions by the

2561
02:54:37,444 --> 02:54:40,924
reaction on, on Facebook. But you can get a flavour

2562
02:54:41,105 --> 02:54:43,964
and people weren't happy with us. And, um, and I

2563
02:54:44,004 --> 02:54:49,564
understood why because your project is breathtaking in its ambition

2564
02:54:49,985 --> 02:54:53,724
and its beauty and its potential to transform this town.

2565
02:54:53,724 --> 02:54:56,764
I mean, I know they're only renderings, but it's a

2566
02:54:56,764 --> 02:55:01,484
showstopper. And the corridor that leads right into downtown Amortsburg

2567
02:55:01,585 --> 02:55:04,764
right next to Fort Mald, then I mean, just transformational

2568
02:55:05,825 --> 02:55:09,092
is an understatement. And, you know, people said, you know,

2569
02:55:09,513 --> 02:55:12,612
just, just his pictures are beautiful, you know, let them

2570
02:55:12,612 --> 02:55:16,052
go, but, but we also have an obligation to protect,

2571
02:55:16,052 --> 02:55:19,472
you know, the town and hope and handshakes, you know,

2572
02:55:20,153 --> 02:55:23,332
is no way to, you know, to run an organisation

2573
02:55:24,153 --> 02:55:26,532
of, of this size. And when we issued that notice

2574
02:55:26,532 --> 02:55:28,692
of intent, the desk is named, all we did was

2575
02:55:31,673 --> 02:55:35,812
actually give administration a pass to go to you and

2576
02:55:35,833 --> 02:55:37,812
to talk and begin to negotiations. I know people like

2577
02:55:37,852 --> 02:55:41,092
to think that administration is just running around sort of

2578
02:55:41,132 --> 02:55:44,052
without cancel direction. But they're not. Like they were frozen

2579
02:55:44,073 --> 02:55:48,132
until we actually, you know, introduced that mechanism for these

2580
02:55:48,153 --> 02:55:52,043
negotiations to take place. You know, they couldn't do anything.

2581
02:55:52,043 --> 02:55:54,443
So I said at the time that if you couldn't

2582
02:55:54,544 --> 02:55:56,763
reach a deal and you came back, I was going

2583
02:55:56,763 --> 02:56:00,443
to be supportive of your project regardless. But that conversation

2584
02:56:00,544 --> 02:56:04,123
happened and I'm grateful that it did. And to me,

2585
02:56:04,163 --> 02:56:06,603
one of the most exciting things that we're preserving is

2586
02:56:06,784 --> 02:56:09,723
those murals. I mean, and look what we're doing here,

2587
02:56:09,723 --> 02:56:13,323
our vision. It's a very vision statement preserving our past,

2588
02:56:13,323 --> 02:56:16,763
well forging our future. This project is symbolic of that,

2589
02:56:16,763 --> 02:56:19,023
emblematic of that. And the one thing that did sort

2590
02:56:19,023 --> 02:56:24,063
of bother me is, uh, with some of the comments,

2591
02:56:24,063 --> 02:56:27,183
is people saying those murals weren't worth protecting because they'd

2592
02:56:27,183 --> 02:56:30,223
only, you know, been there since 1967. And they weren't

2593
02:56:30,244 --> 02:56:32,863
100 years old. Well, I mean, I was born in

2594
02:56:32,903 --> 02:56:37,223
1971. I'm almost 55. And like, I'm pretty archaic. So

2595
02:56:37,223 --> 02:56:41,483
those murals are old. And if we run around, you

2596
02:56:41,483 --> 02:56:44,543
know, chopping down everything that's 50 years old, 60 years

2597
02:56:44,543 --> 02:56:47,183
old, 70 years old, it's never going to get to

2598
02:56:47,223 --> 02:56:50,543
be 100. We're chopping down saplings because, you know, before

2599
02:56:50,564 --> 02:56:53,023
they become towering oaks, we didn't do that in this

2600
02:56:53,063 --> 02:56:56,667
case. We recognise something that was of value. To our

2601
02:56:56,768 --> 02:57:00,725
past. To our future, and to everybody who said, you

2602
02:57:00,725 --> 02:57:04,449
know, that Amortsburg is inhospitable to developers. We just proved

2603
02:57:04,470 --> 02:57:08,209
them wrong because we're preserving our history. We're protecting our

2604
02:57:08,249 --> 02:57:11,089
future. And we're doing it hand in hand. So again,

2605
02:57:12,070 --> 02:57:14,049
it's 940. You want to go home. Thank you for

2606
02:57:14,310 --> 02:57:21,817
everything you're going to do for this town. Anyone else

2607
02:57:21,918 --> 02:57:23,937
before I give a couple of comments, I'm going to

2608
02:57:23,998 --> 02:57:26,937
pass the gavel then. I want to thank Mr. Valenti

2609
02:57:27,038 --> 02:57:30,137
and the staff. This is, I'm sorry, but this is

2610
02:57:30,177 --> 02:57:32,537
what I felt was going to happen all along. I

2611
02:57:32,558 --> 02:57:36,457
know the last meeting, the few tempers out there, but,

2612
02:57:36,497 --> 02:57:40,377
but no, we have an obligation, as Councillor McCarthy said,

2613
02:57:40,377 --> 02:57:43,177
to make sure that the heritage is protected. And it

2614
02:57:43,177 --> 02:57:46,297
was. And Mr. Valenti has had the opportunity to make

2615
02:57:46,297 --> 02:57:48,457
sure it was protected. What she said he wanted to

2616
02:57:49,118 --> 02:57:52,697
by simply sitting down and talking. And that, uh, that

2617
02:57:52,798 --> 02:57:55,577
resolves a lot of things. Um, some people run off

2618
02:57:55,758 --> 02:57:58,937
the courts and lawyers and everybody else. But to my

2619
02:57:58,937 --> 02:58:01,097
mind, the best way of making things happen is when

2620
02:58:01,137 --> 02:58:04,377
two people reasonable people sit down, discuss and come to

2621
02:58:04,558 --> 02:58:08,857
a compromise, which is exactly what happened here. Uh, from

2622
02:58:08,857 --> 02:58:12,297
the minute that Mr. Valenti bought that property. And remember,

2623
02:58:12,297 --> 02:58:15,017
we refused it because we didn't have the money and

2624
02:58:15,278 --> 02:58:17,557
didn't probably know how to do it right anyway. Uh,

2625
02:58:17,557 --> 02:58:20,977
but was from the minute he bought the property. I

2626
02:58:20,977 --> 02:58:26,297
have been enamored at his proposals. He has a vision

2627
02:58:27,198 --> 02:58:32,277
which will radically and brilliantly transform the downtown core. And

2628
02:58:32,318 --> 02:58:36,457
many, many towns wish that they had something like this.

2629
02:58:36,457 --> 02:58:38,857
I know Kingsville just had a high school and tore

2630
02:58:38,958 --> 02:58:42,057
down Livington had a high school and tore it down.

2631
02:58:42,318 --> 02:58:43,977
They're all, you know, they're just getting rid of the

2632
02:58:44,017 --> 02:58:47,737
properties. But this one here is a gem. And from

2633
02:58:47,737 --> 02:58:51,657
the beginning, uh, we recognised it as a gem. And,

2634
02:58:51,657 --> 02:58:55,977
uh, to Mr. Code's benefit, the report, um, I think

2635
02:58:55,998 --> 02:58:59,157
six out of the eight, uh, criteria were met. And

2636
02:58:59,157 --> 02:59:02,057
people were saying, this isn't heritage. It met almost every

2637
02:59:02,078 --> 02:59:06,057
single criteria set up by the Ontario government. If this

2638
02:59:06,318 --> 02:59:08,617
isn't Heritage, then we don't have a Heritage building in

2639
02:59:08,657 --> 02:59:12,457
this old town. Depending, nevermind what the age is. So,

2640
02:59:12,457 --> 02:59:18,377
um, okay. I guess they've had enough. Okay. Uh, so,

2641
02:59:18,398 --> 02:59:20,337
so I want to thank him. And I want to

2642
02:59:20,337 --> 02:59:22,697
thank the town for bearing with us. I know there

2643
02:59:22,737 --> 02:59:25,317
were some people not happy at The Last meeting, but

2644
02:59:25,317 --> 02:59:28,277
I think everybody's going to go home happy tonight. And

2645
02:59:28,398 --> 02:59:32,297
Mr. Valenti, all I can say is God's speed. Find

2646
02:59:32,297 --> 02:59:36,979
somebody to fill those places. Build it, rent it, lease

2647
02:59:36,979 --> 02:59:40,019
it, sell it. Do something to make sure that that

2648
02:59:40,040 --> 02:59:45,299
is the, uh, architectural gem of Essex County because I

2649
02:59:45,400 --> 02:59:51,039
am positive with your leadership it will be. Take the

2650
02:59:51,140 --> 02:59:57,590
gavel back. Okay. We got a motion on the floor.

2651
02:59:59,747 --> 03:00:08,210
All those in favor. Pose has carried unanimously. Okay.

2652
03:00:09,671 --> 03:00:14,370
15. 1 special events approval part five.

2653
03:00:19,790 --> 03:00:26,656
Councillor Lair. Moved staff recommendation. Move the staff recommendation. Okay.

2654
03:00:26,696 --> 03:00:35,973
Um, seconded by. Councillor Pouger. Any discussion on this. Seeing

2655
03:00:35,973 --> 03:00:42,493
none, all those in favor pose that's carried. 15. 2

2656
03:00:42,834 --> 03:00:50,850
RFP for integrity commissioner services. Any questions or motions questions.

2657
03:00:52,118 --> 03:00:55,377
Councillor, do you have question or motion? Question, okay, well.

2658
03:00:55,398 --> 03:00:58,782
Are we getting an annual report? They're already out. We're

2659
03:00:58,822 --> 03:01:01,182
still waiting for our... Did we get the annual report?

2660
03:01:01,182 --> 03:01:05,557
Did I miss it? In which report? So through your

2661
03:01:05,597 --> 03:01:08,437
worship, yes, the report was provided. We sent an email

2662
03:01:08,477 --> 03:01:11,308
to that effect, but I'll follow up on that. It's

2663
03:01:11,308 --> 03:01:13,548
on the town website as well. Usually the report comes

2664
03:01:13,729 --> 03:01:16,268
as a report to council so we can actually look

2665
03:01:16,308 --> 03:01:18,028
at it and all that, like, why are we not

2666
03:01:18,028 --> 03:01:21,068
doing like withdrawal? It's a suggestion from the entirety commissioner

2667
03:01:21,089 --> 03:01:23,548
was to save us the expense and having him come

2668
03:01:23,809 --> 03:01:29,117
and present. Even just presenting the report then, I mean.

2669
03:01:29,117 --> 03:01:31,517
Yeah. Has he been remote anyways, so they can do

2670
03:01:31,517 --> 03:01:35,802
it from wherever their office is. Okay, that was your

2671
03:01:35,823 --> 03:01:42,891
question, Councillor Poje. Go ahead. And I support what councillor

2672
03:01:43,472 --> 03:01:46,331
Courtney is saying. We had been advised that it was

2673
03:01:46,331 --> 03:01:51,371
going to appear on council so that if somebody wanted

2674
03:01:51,552 --> 03:01:55,771
to, they could speak to it or buy members of

2675
03:01:56,112 --> 03:01:59,691
Council about their concerns about this. The report was very

2676
03:02:00,032 --> 03:02:04,011
ambiguous. It did not have a breakdown of how many

2677
03:02:06,272 --> 03:02:09,991
it cost us for investigations or anything like that. And

2678
03:02:09,991 --> 03:02:14,171
I think this report should come back to council and

2679
03:02:14,192 --> 03:02:24,177
be occluded on the agenda. Could I just make sure,

2680
03:02:24,177 --> 03:02:27,937
if that's a motion, what will happen? Is this less

2681
03:02:27,977 --> 03:02:29,697
than 50, 000, or do we have to leave this

2682
03:02:29,737 --> 03:02:32,337
up to staff move this motion? Because we have to

2683
03:02:32,598 --> 03:02:36,337
have an integrity commissioner. Yeah, so through your worship, I

2684
03:02:36,337 --> 03:02:38,497
think what is being discussed is different than the report

2685
03:02:38,678 --> 03:02:40,577
that's before us tonight, is this would be an RFB

2686
03:02:40,838 --> 03:02:44,177
for new integrity commissioner services. I think that discussion is

2687
03:02:44,217 --> 03:02:48,577
about the integrity commissioner who has provided his notice termination,

2688
03:02:48,577 --> 03:02:50,097
and the report that he had provided as part of

2689
03:02:50,097 --> 03:02:54,977
that. He intended not to be present to provide that

2690
03:02:55,238 --> 03:02:57,777
and ask that been a doll of council. So that's

2691
03:02:57,777 --> 03:03:00,017
what we did. If you'd like to request that he

2692
03:03:00,118 --> 03:03:04,017
attend and pay the associated costs, we do have an

2693
03:03:04,057 --> 03:03:07,197
agreement with him that's in effect until November 20th. And

2694
03:03:07,638 --> 03:03:10,177
there are set fees for what it would cost for

2695
03:03:10,217 --> 03:03:13,697
him to attend and speak to that report. You know,

2696
03:03:13,718 --> 03:03:17,457
in my estimation, the report's been live now for two

2697
03:03:17,457 --> 03:03:22,967
months. We haven't heard any feedback. Councillor Pouja, I want

2698
03:03:22,967 --> 03:03:25,207
to be clear. You want the former or the about

2699
03:03:25,228 --> 03:03:29,687
to be former Integrity Commissioner to become before council and

2700
03:03:29,687 --> 03:03:32,887
pay his fees so we can hear why he quit?

2701
03:03:32,908 --> 03:03:35,447
Well, no. Well, no, I'm trying to figure out what

2702
03:03:35,487 --> 03:03:37,847
you want. I just want his report that he was

2703
03:03:37,847 --> 03:03:43,669
supposed to report to us. And it's on the website,

2704
03:03:43,669 --> 03:03:48,789
but it's never been on council document on an agenda.

2705
03:03:49,294 --> 03:03:52,713
I'm all for, we have to appoint a new integrity

2706
03:03:52,974 --> 03:03:57,378
commissioner. I'm all for that. But it's just that, I

2707
03:03:57,378 --> 03:04:01,898
believe that report should be made public so that it

2708
03:04:01,898 --> 03:04:07,098
can be seen by. And he doesn't have to appear

2709
03:04:07,199 --> 03:04:13,740
before us. He just gave a report. Okay, so it's

2710
03:04:13,780 --> 03:04:16,300
on the website, but you want it to come before

2711
03:04:16,641 --> 03:04:23,340
council. Just request that you brought forward to the next

2712
03:04:23,841 --> 03:04:27,420
or subsequent Council meeting. And it will, if it passes,

2713
03:04:28,081 --> 03:04:30,380
it will. I mean, it is public, but if you

2714
03:04:30,641 --> 03:04:34,620
want it for councils, edification and debate, you'd have to

2715
03:04:34,620 --> 03:04:36,860
make that motion. So you can do that under new

2716
03:04:36,860 --> 03:04:40,940
business. Okay, well. Because this one here is to authorize

2717
03:04:41,041 --> 03:04:48,495
the new one. Yeah. Okay, Councillor Courtney. The recommendation. We

2718
03:04:48,495 --> 03:04:50,375
need an integrity commissioner. I looked online. I tear you

2719
03:04:50,415 --> 03:04:52,055
have to have when I get it. But it says

2720
03:04:52,095 --> 03:04:56,084
in RFP. So with an RFP, we put a what

2721
03:04:56,084 --> 03:04:59,484
we want. They give us a fee. And then, so

2722
03:04:59,484 --> 03:05:01,604
I guess the RFP that we put out when principals

2723
03:05:01,644 --> 03:05:04,164
took it on for Mr. Elman, what was inclusive of

2724
03:05:04,164 --> 03:05:07,924
what we paid them? Like per report, per statement, per

2725
03:05:07,945 --> 03:05:10,484
whatever. And then at the end of it, we get

2726
03:05:10,505 --> 03:05:13,044
an annual statement. They come before us and they explain

2727
03:05:13,044 --> 03:05:14,644
it. Was that part of the RFP? Because I've never

2728
03:05:14,644 --> 03:05:17,204
seen the RFP with what exactly principles owes this town.

2729
03:05:17,740 --> 03:05:20,999
And if it wasn't part of it, then... So again,

2730
03:05:20,999 --> 03:05:23,639
I think we're dealing with two different things here. We

2731
03:05:23,900 --> 03:05:25,639
know, you know, when we get to new business, you

2732
03:05:25,639 --> 03:05:27,879
know, happy to have that discussion. The cost to have

2733
03:05:27,879 --> 03:05:32,039
the integrity commissioner come for that report beats 1700 and

2734
03:05:32,039 --> 03:05:38,064
50 dollars. I'll move the recommendation for the new people.

2735
03:05:40,387 --> 03:05:45,086
Okay. Any discussion on the recommendations that are before you.

2736
03:05:45,086 --> 03:05:50,266
All those in favor. Posed. You opposed are just both

2737
03:05:50,266 --> 03:05:53,269
of you late. Putting your hands out. I'm going to

2738
03:05:53,269 --> 03:05:57,789
ask again, all those in favor. Okay, that passes. Okay.

2739
03:05:58,450 --> 03:06:00,749
I wasn't sure whether it was... Maybe I was too

2740
03:06:00,789 --> 03:06:04,689
fast with my question of opposed. Anyway, next go to

2741
03:06:05,190 --> 03:06:09,506
Information Reports. The Three of them, B. Received. The Council

2742
03:06:10,647 --> 03:06:14,546
requests for history at 208, saying our node. The quarterly

2743
03:06:14,567 --> 03:06:19,186
fired department activity report and the building activity report. I

2744
03:06:19,186 --> 03:06:20,946
have a motion to receive them all, and then we'll

2745
03:06:20,946 --> 03:06:23,746
see if anyone wants to pull any of them. Move

2746
03:06:23,767 --> 03:06:28,626
by Councillor Crane, seconded by Councillor Pouger. Okay, we have

2747
03:06:28,807 --> 03:06:33,426
them all before us. Anybody want to question or speak

2748
03:06:33,466 --> 03:06:38,748
about any of the three. Anybody want to? Okay, none.

2749
03:06:38,748 --> 03:06:47,984
All those in favor. Opposed that's carried. Okay. The next

2750
03:06:48,005 --> 03:06:52,624
one is the consent correspondence. We have three. Essex solid

2751
03:06:52,664 --> 03:06:59,471
waste. Regulatory changes for improving Ontario's drinking water resources. And

2752
03:06:59,732 --> 03:07:04,551
whether notification system letter from Chris Lewis MP, kind of

2753
03:07:04,551 --> 03:07:10,004
a motion to receive all three. Moved by Councillor Crane,

2754
03:07:10,004 --> 03:07:15,327
seconded by. Councillor Lair. Uh, okay. Any discussion on any

2755
03:07:15,367 --> 03:07:15,967
of the three.

2756
03:07:27,183 --> 03:07:30,481
No, you just, you voted for it. Everybody voted to

2757
03:07:30,521 --> 03:07:36,539
receive all three. Well, that's why I asked. I was

2758
03:07:36,579 --> 03:07:42,979
surprised when you didn't. So. Well, we'd have to go

2759
03:07:43,019 --> 03:07:47,139
back. What we're in the motion on the floor for

2760
03:07:47,640 --> 03:07:51,699
17. 1 to 17. 3. Does anybody want to talk

2761
03:07:51,739 --> 03:07:58,121
to those. Councillor Courtney. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So just

2762
03:07:58,542 --> 03:08:01,561
receive the an article from a resident that unfortunately Mr.

2763
03:08:01,601 --> 03:08:05,801
Lewis attempt to try to get with his concerns about

2764
03:08:05,982 --> 03:08:10,521
weather reporting an area specifically fell on deaf ears in

2765
03:08:10,561 --> 03:08:13,241
Ottawa. So I don't want to let it die here.

2766
03:08:13,582 --> 03:08:15,801
I wish Mr. Lewis lettuce know ahead of time so

2767
03:08:15,801 --> 03:08:18,041
we could gather some steam as a municipality to all

2768
03:08:18,041 --> 03:08:22,361
the municipalities. So can I move him? We're receiving these

2769
03:08:22,622 --> 03:08:24,521
correspondence. Maybe I'll do it under a new business. I'll

2770
03:08:24,521 --> 03:08:26,041
like to move a motion regarding this, but I just

2771
03:08:26,062 --> 03:08:27,881
wanted to speak to it. Like, uh, it's, it's kind

2772
03:08:27,881 --> 03:08:30,681
of important stuff here. And, uh, it got shrugged off.

2773
03:08:30,681 --> 03:08:33,321
Um, by our other members of parliament and thought that

2774
03:08:33,902 --> 03:08:37,994
the minister, everything her, the basis recovers. So. I want

2775
03:08:37,994 --> 03:08:40,154
to thank Mr. Lewis for representing our area and sending

2776
03:08:40,175 --> 03:08:41,834
this off because he's not the only one that has

2777
03:08:41,855 --> 03:08:44,874
concerns with, uh, weather reporting and radar and things like

2778
03:08:44,914 --> 03:08:46,394
that. So I just want to, I'll bring it up

2779
03:08:46,394 --> 03:08:48,074
on a new business, but I just wanted to speak

2780
03:08:48,074 --> 03:08:51,158
to that. Okay. I mean, I thank him for that

2781
03:08:51,179 --> 03:08:55,238
too. But parliamentary system, somebody in opposition is not likely

2782
03:08:55,238 --> 03:08:57,558
to get very far with a letter like this. So,

2783
03:08:57,558 --> 03:09:01,718
but anyway, he tried. So that's, uh, okay. Uh, so,

2784
03:09:01,718 --> 03:09:04,518
uh, so the motion is before us that they all

2785
03:09:04,518 --> 03:09:08,926
be received. All those in favor. Pose that's carried. Now

2786
03:09:09,447 --> 03:09:14,066
councillor Pouge has requested that the matter of 16. 1

2787
03:09:14,487 --> 03:09:19,746
be reopened. So, uh, it would, uh, it would require

2788
03:09:19,927 --> 03:09:23,346
a vote to reopen, which is, and we all voted,

2789
03:09:23,346 --> 03:09:25,746
everybody voted in favor of it. So it would need,

2790
03:09:25,746 --> 03:09:30,546
uh, vote would need mover a secondary and a vote

2791
03:09:30,807 --> 03:09:37,488
to reopen it. And two thirds. Yeah. There would be

2792
03:09:37,528 --> 03:09:44,266
reconsideration. Yeah. So it's two thirds. Okay. So, okay. Is

2793
03:09:44,287 --> 03:09:49,757
there a motion to reopen at first. Yes. I almost

2794
03:09:49,778 --> 03:09:55,831
said, yeah. To read. Consider to reconsider a motion to

2795
03:09:55,852 --> 03:09:59,358
reconsider. All we did was receive them. Well, yeah, I

2796
03:09:59,358 --> 03:10:02,838
know. But that's on other items before with less, less

2797
03:10:02,939 --> 03:10:04,758
things. Can we just, can we go back? Yeah. Let's

2798
03:10:04,798 --> 03:10:14,503
go back. That's not the procedure. Yeah. Well,

2799
03:10:14,844 --> 03:10:16,823
it's not the correct way. If we've done it before

2800
03:10:17,244 --> 03:10:20,023
I'm apologised, if I had any part in it, okay.

2801
03:10:20,386 --> 03:10:24,825
So is there a motion to reconsider. Courtney, is there

2802
03:10:24,825 --> 03:10:29,733
a second or to that motion. Okay. Councillor Pouge. Is

2803
03:10:29,733 --> 03:10:36,729
there any discussion on the motion to reconsider. Seeing none,

2804
03:10:36,769 --> 03:10:41,995
all those in favor of reconsidering. It passed. It's now

2805
03:10:42,035 --> 03:10:42,395
before us.

2806
03:10:53,215 --> 03:10:57,538
Lord is very concerning. Uh, uh, uh, uh. Firmly believe

2807
03:10:57,879 --> 03:11:02,258
for administration to use excuse in this report because there

2808
03:11:02,298 --> 03:11:06,154
were so many emails and complaints. It made it difficult

2809
03:11:06,495 --> 03:11:12,857
for a timeline. It's inexcusable and totally unacceptable. The fact

2810
03:11:12,958 --> 03:11:17,337
of the matter is there were numerous complaints with documentation

2811
03:11:17,758 --> 03:11:22,137
to prove this building was an arena and not a

2812
03:11:22,137 --> 03:11:26,949
warehouse. From the very first moment council and the residents

2813
03:11:26,989 --> 03:11:32,402
were misled by the developer and administration. Committee of adjustment

2814
03:11:34,823 --> 03:11:37,762
from the developer, I would whole early. I don't know

2815
03:11:38,023 --> 03:11:42,524
you can say that about administration. Well, how did administration

2816
03:11:42,945 --> 03:11:47,164
mislead? Well, the committee of adjustment gave approvals for variance

2817
03:11:47,345 --> 03:11:52,080
for a warehouse, not an arena. At no time did

2818
03:11:53,061 --> 03:11:57,360
the administration go back to them and say, Oh, you

2819
03:11:57,400 --> 03:12:03,579
gave an adjustment variance. But by the way, it's not

2820
03:12:03,760 --> 03:12:05,819
going to be aware how it's going to be an

2821
03:12:05,840 --> 03:12:12,344
arena. And the accessibility committee was duped also. They approved

2822
03:12:13,245 --> 03:12:17,944
a parking lot for a warehouse, not an arena. They

2823
03:12:18,205 --> 03:12:22,184
were never allowed to show, be showing the site plan.

2824
03:12:22,677 --> 03:12:30,505
For an arena. And, um. No one informed these committees

2825
03:12:30,606 --> 03:12:37,324
of this betrayal. So there was numerous complaints by Law

2826
03:12:37,345 --> 03:12:41,747
Us Building in March of 2025. By - law asked

2827
03:12:41,768 --> 03:12:48,220
building department. To halt a project temporarily until actions were

2828
03:12:48,401 --> 03:12:55,362
verified. Emails and documents from complainants that walls went up

2829
03:12:55,543 --> 03:13:02,322
on two sides, drainage, continued and completed gravel poured coolant

2830
03:13:02,743 --> 03:13:09,017
lines, lead and buried compressors and fans running constantly. Administration

2831
03:13:09,598 --> 03:13:15,562
assisted. It wasn't an arena. Despite these complaints, the footings

2832
03:13:15,983 --> 03:13:21,232
and foundations were inspected and approved. What was under the

2833
03:13:21,272 --> 03:13:29,850
cement. Lines were they inspected. On May 2025, there was

2834
03:13:29,890 --> 03:13:35,692
an order to comply. The building continued. Juni 11, 25

2835
03:13:36,473 --> 03:13:41,972
Bill Pertuniak sent pictures, which I have, refrigerant units outside

2836
03:13:42,393 --> 03:13:48,029
arena. I immediately contacted the chief building official. I was

2837
03:13:48,069 --> 03:13:51,869
denied by right to speak to him about this arena

2838
03:13:52,130 --> 03:13:59,064
and warehouse. June 12. 2025. There was a stop work

2839
03:13:59,104 --> 03:14:07,016
order. Building continued. June 28, 2025, another complaint. Why woulds

2840
03:14:07,056 --> 03:14:10,296
work continuing on this arena when there was an order

2841
03:14:10,296 --> 03:14:17,828
to comply and a stop work order. Pictures were shown.

2842
03:14:17,828 --> 03:14:21,908
And of the delivery of rink boards, delivery of San

2843
03:14:21,908 --> 03:14:28,628
Boney, delivery of scoreboards, installation of plastic refrigerant lines, support

2844
03:14:28,969 --> 03:14:36,858
system, appropriate delivery and manifolds. Plumbing installed and drained tie

2845
03:14:36,879 --> 03:14:42,458
- ins. The pouring and installation of, um, mentioned concrete

2846
03:14:42,639 --> 03:14:46,138
over the above finishing lines on what appears to be

2847
03:14:46,719 --> 03:14:50,687
a rink - like oval. Day later, the rest of

2848
03:14:50,687 --> 03:14:55,768
the floor was poured. The interior block was constructed with

2849
03:14:56,109 --> 03:15:03,448
bay doors. Wide enough for a Zambodi. The building, they

2850
03:15:03,448 --> 03:15:11,485
allowed the building to continue. On July 30th, 2025, building

2851
03:15:11,906 --> 03:15:18,863
insulation inspected failed due to stop work order. Building continued

2852
03:15:18,863 --> 03:15:24,105
to be completed. Why did administration allow them to continue

2853
03:15:24,145 --> 03:15:30,585
to build and not present them, uh, with a summoned

2854
03:15:30,766 --> 03:15:37,475
until November 20th, 2025 when in May, June, July. It

2855
03:15:37,496 --> 03:15:40,595
was proven over and over again. They were building an

2856
03:15:40,635 --> 03:15:48,127
arena. And they, it wasn't until November 20th, 2025 that

2857
03:15:48,308 --> 03:15:51,167
has summons to appear in court when an order to

2858
03:15:51,188 --> 03:15:55,407
comply and stop work order were issued six months earlier.

2859
03:15:56,071 --> 03:16:01,650
The deceit continued March 12, 2026, The Structure was not

2860
03:16:02,311 --> 03:16:07,982
in compliance. It required another setback. No one caught this.

2861
03:16:09,255 --> 03:16:14,674
Not built according to plan. In closing, I firmly believed

2862
03:16:14,674 --> 03:16:19,794
Council cannot simply receive this report for information. But must

2863
03:16:19,895 --> 03:16:23,794
request a full investigation for allowing the structure to be

2864
03:16:23,815 --> 03:16:27,634
completed as an arena while they were orders to comply

2865
03:16:28,055 --> 03:16:34,327
and stop work orders issued. Um, right now, this poor

2866
03:16:34,348 --> 03:16:40,155
gentleman and his family, they are living in hell. And

2867
03:16:40,256 --> 03:16:43,915
I encourage everybody from council to go there and to

2868
03:16:43,955 --> 03:16:53,331
witness it. There's continuous, mechanical noise. Fans and compressors. Just

2869
03:16:53,331 --> 03:17:01,288
yesterday, the indoor, 45 decimal readings is evidence. Amrisburg uses

2870
03:17:01,288 --> 03:17:04,808
the excuse that we don't have the proper equipment to

2871
03:17:04,848 --> 03:17:11,568
measuring decibels. And we don't have, um, nighttime enforcement. In

2872
03:17:11,568 --> 03:17:14,088
the meantime, this family is living a life of health

2873
03:17:14,589 --> 03:17:19,848
with the 24 - 7 noise traffic, lack of privacy,

2874
03:17:19,848 --> 03:17:24,248
and the knowledge that they were misled and deceived every

2875
03:17:24,288 --> 03:17:28,168
step of the way for proposed warehouse that ended up

2876
03:17:28,349 --> 03:17:35,779
being a commercial arena. Okay. That I take was just

2877
03:17:35,800 --> 03:17:38,779
a statement. So I don't know whether you're expecting. I

2878
03:17:38,779 --> 03:17:42,499
do. Well, maybe before anything happens, we now have two

2879
03:17:42,499 --> 03:17:45,779
minutes to 10. I need a motion if people want

2880
03:17:45,779 --> 03:17:49,699
to stay late emotion to extend the time. Otherwise we're

2881
03:17:49,699 --> 03:17:57,211
finished. Councillor Crane. Until 1030. Okay. Is there a seconder?

2882
03:17:57,211 --> 03:17:59,511
I don't think we'll finish at 1030, quite frankly. But

2883
03:17:59,511 --> 03:18:04,171
go ahead. I'm optimistic. Okay. Uh, Councillor Lair seconds the

2884
03:18:04,171 --> 03:18:08,192
motion. All those in favor. Opposed that's carried. We're until

2885
03:18:08,192 --> 03:18:13,912
1030. Okay. Now you made a number of statements. Is

2886
03:18:13,912 --> 03:18:16,752
there any questions you want to ask or is just

2887
03:18:16,792 --> 03:18:18,912
you just wanted to make the statement? No, I want

2888
03:18:18,912 --> 03:18:24,352
to make a motion that administration goes there and investigates

2889
03:18:24,613 --> 03:18:28,859
the complaints made by this family. And, um, and I

2890
03:18:28,859 --> 03:18:32,859
know that there's a ways up for them. They haven't

2891
03:18:32,859 --> 03:18:36,779
even mentioned how we could help them. But there has

2892
03:18:36,779 --> 03:18:42,779
to be some municipal noise bylaw that's present. And if

2893
03:18:42,779 --> 03:18:47,419
not, the NPC 300 or the Ministry of Environment should

2894
03:18:47,440 --> 03:18:51,899
be called in. There's, there was never any mentioned to

2895
03:18:51,920 --> 03:18:57,339
put buffers in there or any thing to ease the

2896
03:18:57,680 --> 03:19:01,933
sound and to help this family. From what they're going

2897
03:19:01,973 --> 03:19:04,853
through. All right. I'm going to ask the CAO. I

2898
03:19:04,853 --> 03:19:08,173
know that she was written at least four emails on

2899
03:19:08,434 --> 03:19:12,013
this very topic today, at least for. But go ahead.

2900
03:19:12,194 --> 03:19:15,213
Your worship members of council, the initial noise complaint was

2901
03:19:15,394 --> 03:19:19,373
investigated, um, and, uh, the manager of Bylaw is not

2902
03:19:19,554 --> 03:19:22,653
here this evening. He's on vacation. Um, he sent a

2903
03:19:22,693 --> 03:19:27,773
detailed email to the complainant explaining why, uh, that, that,

2904
03:19:27,773 --> 03:19:31,693
uh, complaint was, um, found not to have enough evidence

2905
03:19:31,714 --> 03:19:35,773
to move forward. The complainant was, uh, told that if

2906
03:19:35,813 --> 03:19:38,493
he was not satisfied with that, he does have the

2907
03:19:38,514 --> 03:19:41,373
option to go before the justice of the peace and

2908
03:19:41,373 --> 03:19:44,813
provincial court and lay a private charge. If he feels

2909
03:19:44,834 --> 03:19:48,173
he has enough evidence, um, bylaw certainly did not feel

2910
03:19:48,194 --> 03:19:51,673
that we had the evidence to sustain that charge. Um,

2911
03:19:52,034 --> 03:19:56,733
another complaint was made. And I believe, um, uh, that

2912
03:19:56,733 --> 03:20:03,613
has to do with a second source of the HVAC.

2913
03:20:03,613 --> 03:20:08,893
Again, Mr. Wilder, um, expressed to the complainant that when

2914
03:20:08,933 --> 03:20:12,813
he went the first time, uh, there was no violation

2915
03:20:12,834 --> 03:20:18,893
in his view. Um, and a second actual formal complaint,

2916
03:20:18,893 --> 03:20:20,893
not an email, but a formal complaint through our portal

2917
03:20:21,154 --> 03:20:25,667
was never filed again for the HVAC. Another complaint came

2918
03:20:25,707 --> 03:20:29,667
in this morning with respect to a different noise. Bylaw

2919
03:20:29,667 --> 03:20:33,407
will be investigating that. Um, and with respect to, um,

2920
03:20:34,328 --> 03:20:39,567
the environmental guidelines, which are guidelines, um, those are, uh,

2921
03:20:39,768 --> 03:20:42,947
actually enforced by the MECP. They are not enforced by

2922
03:20:43,208 --> 03:20:46,627
municipal bylaw officers. And so the complainant is free to

2923
03:20:46,627 --> 03:20:49,027
call the MECP. And if they feel that it's valid

2924
03:20:49,027 --> 03:20:51,827
to come and investigate, I imagine they will do so.

2925
03:20:58,292 --> 03:21:02,311
Further questions. No, Council of Courtney. Mr. Mayor. So, I

2926
03:21:02,311 --> 03:21:04,831
mean, this file sloppy. It's been what we've all had

2927
03:21:04,932 --> 03:21:08,031
concerns from the onset. I think staff did their best

2928
03:21:08,772 --> 03:21:12,351
in regards to trying to rectify. Sean Arno is a

2929
03:21:12,351 --> 03:21:15,071
very unique street in our town. It has got so

2930
03:21:15,092 --> 03:21:19,871
many zoning things from residential to light industrial to heavy

2931
03:21:19,871 --> 03:21:25,471
industrial to residential, to commercial. And it's very unfortunate that

2932
03:21:25,652 --> 03:21:27,871
that blend ever came to be, but somehow it happens

2933
03:21:27,871 --> 03:21:30,351
on St. Arnold. So I guess my question is for

2934
03:21:30,351 --> 03:21:33,071
the resident that is a buddy this, uh, and, and,

2935
03:21:33,092 --> 03:21:36,511
and whatever the zoning, staff says it meets the criteria,

2936
03:21:36,511 --> 03:21:40,911
but there is cameras, the lights, the sounds after a

2937
03:21:40,911 --> 03:21:44,306
certain times. What is the, um. What can be done

2938
03:21:44,407 --> 03:21:48,066
in regards to hearing pucks banging off the boards all

2939
03:21:48,167 --> 03:21:50,546
night long, potentially because it's, to me, it's not a

2940
03:21:50,586 --> 03:21:53,906
public arena. I've never seen, it's private, in my opinion,

2941
03:21:54,247 --> 03:21:56,706
because I haven't been, I'll see if I can get

2942
03:21:56,746 --> 03:21:58,946
some ice time and then that'll verify it. But what

2943
03:21:58,967 --> 03:22:02,466
can we do with Bylaw or, or what does the

2944
03:22:02,567 --> 03:22:07,026
resident have available in their toolbox to push this owner

2945
03:22:07,687 --> 03:22:10,671
that is right on the property line. With all of

2946
03:22:10,692 --> 03:22:13,151
these exceptions to the rule to at least let their

2947
03:22:13,191 --> 03:22:15,391
family be able to live comfortably in their backyard? I

2948
03:22:15,391 --> 03:22:17,391
think that's where we got to go from here now.

2949
03:22:17,391 --> 03:22:18,671
The arena is not going to get tore down. It's

2950
03:22:18,671 --> 03:22:21,551
been approved. But that's, we're working, what can we do?

2951
03:22:21,652 --> 03:22:26,111
So those types of sounds would be the type that

2952
03:22:26,452 --> 03:22:31,231
are regulated or that not regulated, but for which the,

2953
03:22:31,231 --> 03:22:34,111
um, Environmental guidelines are in place. And that will be

2954
03:22:34,111 --> 03:22:37,631
something MECP can come and investigate if they feel it's

2955
03:22:37,631 --> 03:22:41,801
warranted. Our noise bylaw has already been investigated and it

2956
03:22:41,801 --> 03:22:45,961
was not found to have, um, enough evidence to proceed

2957
03:22:46,001 --> 03:22:50,841
with any kind of a charge. On the HEVEC and

2958
03:22:50,841 --> 03:22:55,263
excuse me, sir, I am speaking. If there is another

2959
03:22:56,884 --> 03:23:00,223
complaint, a formal complaint can be made, not an email,

2960
03:23:00,223 --> 03:23:03,343
but through the portal. And the complaint with respect to

2961
03:23:03,383 --> 03:23:08,063
the PEX, our By Enforcement officers are going to attend

2962
03:23:08,084 --> 03:23:10,863
to investigate that. But that would be more for the

2963
03:23:10,964 --> 03:23:15,335
MECP. I understand there was a light complaint. That was

2964
03:23:15,375 --> 03:23:17,975
dealt with. And I believe there may have been complaints

2965
03:23:17,975 --> 03:23:25,275
about the cameras, which were also dealt with. No opportunity

2966
03:23:25,296 --> 03:23:28,704
for the public to speak. Nobody put a name down.

2967
03:23:28,704 --> 03:23:31,104
It was here. Nobody put a name down from the

2968
03:23:31,144 --> 03:23:35,034
entire town to speak. You know, you can't. It's just,

2969
03:23:35,034 --> 03:23:44,479
you can't do it unless there's unanimous consent. Let's follow.

2970
03:23:44,556 --> 03:23:50,124
Your own time. To rely on. It. No, that's the,

2971
03:23:50,124 --> 03:23:53,084
no, that's not in the procedural bylaw. It is there's

2972
03:23:53,084 --> 03:23:59,004
somebody on council who wishes to, to allow DeputNut who

2973
03:23:59,105 --> 03:24:03,550
is not, uh, registered to speak. I do. All right.

2974
03:24:03,571 --> 03:24:07,972
Is there a second or to this. Well, by seconded

2975
03:24:08,012 --> 03:24:13,342
by Councillor Allaire, again, it must be unanimous. All those

2976
03:24:13,443 --> 03:24:17,176
in favor of allowing the gentleman to speak. Could we

2977
03:24:17,216 --> 03:24:20,216
have a recorded vote, please? No, it's procedural. You know

2978
03:24:20,256 --> 03:24:23,914
that you cannot ask for a recorded vote. On a

2979
03:24:23,914 --> 03:24:27,194
procedural matter. Okay. All those in favor of allowing him

2980
03:24:27,215 --> 03:24:33,129
to speak. All those opposed. Counsellor Crane said no. He

2981
03:24:33,129 --> 03:24:38,466
cannot speak. Okay. Now, okay. You want to do the

2982
03:24:38,466 --> 03:24:44,192
same thing. Okay. All right. Councillor Pouger moves that a

2983
03:24:44,232 --> 03:24:51,184
second deputy allowed to speak. Seconded by Councillor Lair. Well,

2984
03:24:51,224 --> 03:24:54,342
we know who it, okay. I don't even know his

2985
03:24:54,363 --> 03:24:59,526
name. Do you worship the first motion was to wave

2986
03:24:59,526 --> 03:25:02,086
the rules of border to allow a delegation to speak.

2987
03:25:02,086 --> 03:25:04,486
It did not indicate the individual. So I think based

2988
03:25:04,486 --> 03:25:07,126
on that, a second motion will have the same result.

2989
03:25:07,126 --> 03:25:09,846
There's no procedural reason to go back through that's emotion.

2990
03:25:10,832 --> 03:25:15,131
Okay. Well, it was, it was generic. The clerk is

2991
03:25:15,131 --> 03:25:17,751
right. It was generic to allow someone to speak. And

2992
03:25:17,751 --> 03:25:20,071
it did not pass. So that means everybody in the

2993
03:25:20,071 --> 03:25:30,025
room. I thought I was

2994
03:25:30,046 --> 03:25:32,345
pretty familiar with the bylaw. I do not believe that

2995
03:25:32,366 --> 03:25:35,705
that's what the bylaw says it needs to be unanimous.

2996
03:25:35,705 --> 03:25:38,825
It was not unanimous. Now we know the gentleman with

2997
03:25:38,825 --> 03:25:40,985
the beard was the one. I don't have any problem.

2998
03:25:41,951 --> 03:25:44,330
Saying that we can, if you want, but you have

2999
03:25:44,330 --> 03:25:50,147
to name the individual this time. I'm sorry about that.

3000
03:25:50,147 --> 03:25:56,212
His name is Nate Aroic. For the record. Council. Okay.

3001
03:25:56,212 --> 03:25:57,412
But that's who I thought it was. But I didn't

3002
03:25:57,452 --> 03:26:01,012
want to was denied the right in Ukraine. It's been

3003
03:26:01,052 --> 03:26:03,092
denied. Yeah. Okay. So who do you want to speak

3004
03:26:03,113 --> 03:26:06,772
next? I'm asking to wait the rules of order to

3005
03:26:06,793 --> 03:26:10,935
allow Alice and Baldwin to speak. Okay. Is there a

3006
03:26:10,935 --> 03:26:18,042
seconder. Councillor Lair. Okay. Is it just a vote on

3007
03:26:18,082 --> 03:26:22,635
a procedural matter. Well, it's a procedural motion. You don't

3008
03:26:22,635 --> 03:26:27,923
usually speak. I mean. If you want to get into

3009
03:26:27,944 --> 03:26:30,663
a big discussion, let's go. Well, no, it's not going

3010
03:26:30,663 --> 03:26:33,383
to be a big discussion, but, uh, I'm with Councillor

3011
03:26:33,383 --> 03:26:35,543
Crane on this one. I was prepared to hear the

3012
03:26:35,644 --> 03:26:40,423
homeowner because I think that sort of serves that the

3013
03:26:40,423 --> 03:26:43,363
public good to give them the opportunity to speak, but

3014
03:26:43,363 --> 03:26:45,783
just to, you know, other people putting up their hands

3015
03:26:45,964 --> 03:26:48,723
randomly. I want to hear from the homeowner. And, uh,

3016
03:26:49,324 --> 03:26:52,743
and that's not going to happen. That's fine. But, but

3017
03:26:52,783 --> 03:26:54,823
I'm not going to support Ms. Baldwin speaking on this

3018
03:26:54,863 --> 03:27:03,950
issue. It's not her house. Okay. So, so anybody else

3019
03:27:03,971 --> 03:27:06,730
want to speak to the issue. The reason I, uh,

3020
03:27:07,091 --> 03:27:10,830
was suggesting Alison speak is because she has been there

3021
03:27:10,870 --> 03:27:15,710
on several occasions. And she has witnessed. There may be

3022
03:27:15,710 --> 03:27:19,230
many good reasons, but it has to be, uh, Councillor

3023
03:27:19,270 --> 03:27:21,390
Crane, do you want to speak to this? Yes. I

3024
03:27:21,430 --> 03:27:24,430
have many times, uh, I'll keep it short. There's an

3025
03:27:24,430 --> 03:27:27,870
opportunity to register as a delegate. Anyone from the public

3026
03:27:27,971 --> 03:27:30,830
could have registered to speak on these items. That did

3027
03:27:30,870 --> 03:27:33,790
not take place. The process was not followed. It's almost

3028
03:27:33,830 --> 03:27:37,310
1030. This is a meeting of council, not a meeting

3029
03:27:37,350 --> 03:27:39,230
of the public. We had that during the planning meeting

3030
03:27:39,230 --> 03:27:42,270
session. Um, and for another, a number of other reasons

3031
03:27:42,611 --> 03:27:44,990
that I've mentioned every time I'm the big bad wolf

3032
03:27:45,030 --> 03:27:47,790
saying no, uh, but we have a procedural bylaw that

3033
03:27:47,790 --> 03:27:50,617
needs to be followed. So thank you. All right. So

3034
03:27:51,438 --> 03:27:54,217
we have a motion moved and seconded everybody who wants

3035
03:27:54,318 --> 03:27:57,577
to speak has spoken. All those in favor of letting

3036
03:27:58,078 --> 03:28:02,757
Alice and Baldwin speak signify all those opposed. There are

3037
03:28:02,757 --> 03:28:12,688
two in opposition that fails. Okay. So. Where are we

3038
03:28:12,688 --> 03:28:16,744
at Mr. Clerk? Is there anything on the. S nothing

3039
03:28:16,744 --> 03:28:23,127
else? Okay. There's no motions. There's nothing. Well, it's been

3040
03:28:23,167 --> 03:28:27,222
reopened. Yes. So there have to be another motion. Councillor

3041
03:28:27,243 --> 03:28:31,180
Larry, you're moving motion to receive it. Is there a

3042
03:28:31,180 --> 03:28:36,741
seconder. Councillor Crane, any discussion on the second motion to

3043
03:28:36,922 --> 03:28:43,678
receive. All those in favor. Posed. That's carried. It's received

3044
03:28:43,718 --> 03:28:53,093
again. Okay. Next is a

3045
03:28:53,434 --> 03:28:59,093
proclamation request for National Disability Employment Awareness Month Ontario Disability

3046
03:28:59,914 --> 03:29:03,893
Employment Network. And they are requesting that we declare October

3047
03:29:04,954 --> 03:29:08,533
National Disability Employment Awareness Month and that we light up

3048
03:29:08,573 --> 03:29:12,213
the town in purple and or blue on October 16th.

3049
03:29:17,047 --> 03:29:22,515
Councillor Lair. I will move the staff recommendation and could

3050
03:29:22,515 --> 03:29:29,731
we let it up in blue. Okay. Is there a

3051
03:29:29,752 --> 03:29:36,139
second or to that. Councillor Crain. Okay. So this is

3052
03:29:36,160 --> 03:29:38,681
specific. We proclaim it and we light it up in

3053
03:29:38,721 --> 03:29:44,490
blue. And he discussion, councillor Courtney. I shouldn't have the

3054
03:29:44,530 --> 03:29:46,970
tread lately. I think city of Windsor did it right.

3055
03:29:46,970 --> 03:29:50,410
Um, the proclamations continue to come in and they're very

3056
03:29:50,410 --> 03:29:52,810
widespread. And the months and the weeks and the days

3057
03:29:52,991 --> 03:29:54,730
and there's going to be years soon that we're going

3058
03:29:54,730 --> 03:29:57,530
to proclaim a whole year for something. And no disrespect

3059
03:29:57,631 --> 03:30:01,610
to any of these entities, but we are a corporation.

3060
03:30:01,610 --> 03:30:04,090
We are a talent in the province of Ontario flags

3061
03:30:04,511 --> 03:30:07,450
and town hall buildings really were delving into things that

3062
03:30:07,490 --> 03:30:09,570
have nothing to do with the town of Ambersburg. We

3063
03:30:09,570 --> 03:30:12,470
don't have to proclaim stuff. It should be given. But

3064
03:30:12,831 --> 03:30:16,170
whatever this council wants to do, but it's just every,

3065
03:30:16,210 --> 03:30:18,090
they're coming in all the time. And the list is

3066
03:30:18,090 --> 03:30:20,170
growing. I'd be curious to know the number of requests

3067
03:30:20,210 --> 03:30:23,666
for proclamation days and months. And see where it's at.

3068
03:30:23,706 --> 03:30:26,163
I'm just curious. I mean, Windsor did away with it

3069
03:30:26,203 --> 03:30:28,643
for a reason. I've seen it and I followed along

3070
03:30:28,683 --> 03:30:33,853
and I kind of agree. Do you want that before

3071
03:30:34,114 --> 03:30:36,253
we deal with this item or do you want this

3072
03:30:36,754 --> 03:30:40,839
deal with this item? And as for it later. All

3073
03:30:40,839 --> 03:30:44,463
right. Okay. So anybody else to speak to the item.

3074
03:30:45,593 --> 03:30:51,539
Okay. Then all those in favor. Opposed. Okay. Now under

3075
03:30:51,640 --> 03:30:54,259
new business, if you want to ask for that report,

3076
03:30:54,259 --> 03:31:00,193
you can get it. All right.

3077
03:31:04,714 --> 03:31:08,815
Okay. We now have consent other minutes. There's the, uh,

3078
03:31:09,816 --> 03:31:12,755
regular board meeting minutes. The committee of adjustment meeting minutes

3079
03:31:13,096 --> 03:31:17,635
Heritage Committee meeting minutes and the Amortsburg accessibility advisory committee

3080
03:31:17,675 --> 03:31:23,756
meeting minutes. Motion to receive them all. Councillor Allaire, seconded

3081
03:31:23,796 --> 03:31:27,596
by Councillor Courtney. Anybody want to pull any or discuss

3082
03:31:27,636 --> 03:31:33,631
any of these. Okay. Seeing none, all those in favor.

3083
03:31:36,138 --> 03:31:41,214
Opposed. That's carried. Other minutes, The Drainage Board meeting minutes

3084
03:31:41,254 --> 03:31:50,579
of July 7th, 2026. Is there a motion. Councillor Lair.

3085
03:31:54,658 --> 03:31:59,637
Just at the recommendations. Approved, received and approved. Okay. Is

3086
03:31:59,637 --> 03:32:06,961
there a seconder. Councillor Crane. Any discussion. Seeing none, all

3087
03:32:06,961 --> 03:32:14,360
those in favor. Pose. That's carried. Unfinished business. And anything

3088
03:32:14,461 --> 03:32:21,806
an unfinished business. No. Okay. Then over onto the page.

3089
03:32:23,849 --> 03:32:26,851
We now have new business. This is an opportunity. There

3090
03:32:26,851 --> 03:32:29,651
was a number of things discussed already tonight that could

3091
03:32:29,651 --> 03:32:33,367
go here. Councillor Larry, see you first. Thank you, Mr.

3092
03:32:33,388 --> 03:32:35,667
Mayor. I will try and keep this super quick. Um,

3093
03:32:37,468 --> 03:32:40,807
just to calm every resident that might be still somehow

3094
03:32:40,847 --> 03:32:45,047
tuning in. The weeds, uh, on the sidewalks in town,

3095
03:32:45,047 --> 03:32:47,607
it was explosive on the internet this week. And everyone

3096
03:32:47,708 --> 03:32:50,007
thinks that the town does not care about our sidewalks.

3097
03:32:50,312 --> 03:32:55,171
Can we just get confirmation as a whole from administration

3098
03:32:55,211 --> 03:33:01,741
that we are taking care of this. Through you, Mr.

3099
03:33:01,782 --> 03:33:05,201
Mayor, to counsel a lair, The weeds will be no

3100
03:33:05,241 --> 03:33:08,961
longer. So it just is a little explanation. We have

3101
03:33:08,961 --> 03:33:12,641
to get approval from the MECP to do our wheat

3102
03:33:12,681 --> 03:33:16,568
spraying programs. Uh, we had the one for the rural

3103
03:33:16,589 --> 03:33:19,608
sections a long time ago. And the one for the

3104
03:33:19,629 --> 03:33:21,928
sidewalks took us almost three months to finally get that

3105
03:33:21,949 --> 03:33:24,568
approval. Once we get the approval, then we put it

3106
03:33:24,608 --> 03:33:27,588
into the newspaper, which it was two weeks ago. And

3107
03:33:28,029 --> 03:33:30,648
that, uh, weed spring program did start last week. So

3108
03:33:31,069 --> 03:33:33,768
even if, uh, unfortunately, we'll take about a week for

3109
03:33:33,808 --> 03:33:35,848
them to die as well. So it may have already

3110
03:33:35,888 --> 03:33:37,768
been sprayed, but it'll take a little bit of time.

3111
03:33:37,949 --> 03:33:41,608
And just to confirm, it is throughout our entire town,

3112
03:33:41,608 --> 03:33:45,048
correct? If it's a curb, we spray it. Yes. Okay.

3113
03:33:45,088 --> 03:33:49,128
Perfect. Thank you. And then the next hot topic this

3114
03:33:49,168 --> 03:33:52,568
week was Accessibility in our parks. Um, I do know

3115
03:33:52,608 --> 03:33:55,928
that, uh, our director of Parks and REC Heide took

3116
03:33:55,949 --> 03:33:59,683
very good response to many of the emails. Could you

3117
03:33:59,864 --> 03:34:02,003
enlighten us on some of the actions that we are

3118
03:34:02,003 --> 03:34:04,563
capable of taking from those emails and what could be

3119
03:34:05,224 --> 03:34:10,227
effective. Thank you for the questions through Mr. Mayor. Remembers

3120
03:34:10,227 --> 03:34:12,547
of council, we have reviewed the request that have come

3121
03:34:12,547 --> 03:34:14,147
in and all the emails that have come in regarding

3122
03:34:14,568 --> 03:34:18,287
some of the accessibility, um, suggestions for some of the

3123
03:34:18,287 --> 03:34:21,187
playgrounds, uh, we are looking into those with the playground

3124
03:34:21,288 --> 03:34:24,467
vendor that supplied the equipment. Some of the suggestions I

3125
03:34:24,507 --> 03:34:31,765
will, uh, caution if we implement those, um. Compromise the

3126
03:34:32,266 --> 03:34:34,965
passing of the unit. So if there are any compromises

3127
03:34:34,986 --> 03:34:37,685
like that, we will not make those adjustments. We will

3128
03:34:37,706 --> 03:34:40,725
also be sourcing additional panels perhaps that we might be

3129
03:34:40,725 --> 03:34:42,725
able to put out there. There will be a cause

3130
03:34:42,765 --> 03:34:45,821
to that as well. Um, and we're also looking at,

3131
03:34:45,821 --> 03:34:48,861
um, other adjustments within the parks where we can perhaps

3132
03:34:49,282 --> 03:34:52,141
pour one section of sidewalk to make that accessible. We're

3133
03:34:52,141 --> 03:34:55,501
also ordering signs for the accessible parking spots that was

3134
03:34:55,501 --> 03:35:01,223
recommended. You guys worked really quickly. So I appreciate that.

3135
03:35:01,223 --> 03:35:05,303
Um, one of the small suggestions that this resident made

3136
03:35:05,343 --> 03:35:09,863
was painting the strip at Jack Purdy Park, um, to

3137
03:35:09,903 --> 03:35:13,143
prevent parking in front of the ramp. Can we get

3138
03:35:13,183 --> 03:35:17,125
that done this year? That's not a cost. Thank you

3139
03:35:17,165 --> 03:35:19,285
for the question councillor to you. Mr. Mayor to all

3140
03:35:19,325 --> 03:35:21,985
of council. Everything comes at a cost, but we are

3141
03:35:21,985 --> 03:35:24,325
working on that. So we will be painting that area

3142
03:35:24,426 --> 03:35:26,565
in front of Jack Prairie Park and the signs are

3143
03:35:26,586 --> 03:35:29,205
on order. So, um, we do have signs. We are

3144
03:35:29,205 --> 03:35:31,765
looking at all of the parks. Um, I would like

3145
03:35:31,765 --> 03:35:34,085
to notify council that in all of these things come

3146
03:35:34,106 --> 03:35:36,485
at a cost. And we do have in our regular

3147
03:35:36,586 --> 03:35:39,285
program and accessibility budget where we can do bits and

3148
03:35:39,325 --> 03:35:43,285
pieces of these things. So as capital budgets move forward,

3149
03:35:43,285 --> 03:35:45,445
we can do these additional little pieces that we know

3150
03:35:45,445 --> 03:35:48,485
need to happen. So we will take into consideration all

3151
03:35:48,485 --> 03:35:51,685
the accessibility improvements that need to happen across our parks.

3152
03:35:51,685 --> 03:35:53,645
We know that there are a lot in terms of

3153
03:35:53,866 --> 03:35:56,485
connectivity. And we will work on those as budget permits

3154
03:35:56,586 --> 03:35:59,365
little by little. Perfect. And then just the final follow

3155
03:35:59,405 --> 03:36:02,565
- up with Parks. The Port of Johns. So we

3156
03:36:02,565 --> 03:36:04,885
do have accessible porta - johns and a lot of

3157
03:36:04,885 --> 03:36:09,685
our parks, which I appreciate. However, they were originally placed

3158
03:36:09,725 --> 03:36:12,805
some not inaccessible areas. Can we just ensure that that

3159
03:36:12,826 --> 03:36:16,987
is taking care of and they are improper placement. Thank

3160
03:36:17,027 --> 03:36:18,587
you for the questions to you, Mr. Mayor to members

3161
03:36:18,587 --> 03:36:22,587
of council. Um, they were placed inaccessible locations. Unfortunately, the

3162
03:36:22,587 --> 03:36:25,707
storms that we've had when the companies come out sometimes,

3163
03:36:25,707 --> 03:36:27,227
they don't know. We know where to put them back

3164
03:36:27,408 --> 03:36:30,347
or they get turned. Or if they're not actually anchored

3165
03:36:30,387 --> 03:36:33,707
down kids tip them over and they get spun around.

3166
03:36:33,707 --> 03:36:36,347
But we did do a thorough walkthrough of all the

3167
03:36:36,368 --> 03:36:39,707
parks. Um, I personally went out there with our parks

3168
03:36:39,707 --> 03:36:42,267
manager. Um, to look at some of the areas where

3169
03:36:42,688 --> 03:36:45,467
they were in the wrong location. So our staff are

3170
03:36:45,467 --> 03:36:49,787
addressing that. Thank you. Um, I have other, can I

3171
03:36:49,787 --> 03:36:53,146
do one more. Oh, do you want to speak to

3172
03:36:54,207 --> 03:36:55,786
we only have 11 minutes. I want to give everybody

3173
03:36:55,967 --> 03:36:59,226
a chance, but go ahead. Okay. Uh, well Councillor Courtney

3174
03:36:59,266 --> 03:37:01,386
wanted to speak to Parks, but I guess it's kind

3175
03:37:01,386 --> 03:37:03,366
of environmental. So we're going to go with it. Uh,

3176
03:37:03,407 --> 03:37:05,786
I just wanted to give everyone an update on the

3177
03:37:05,807 --> 03:37:10,026
amalgamation of IRCA to Willerca, the Western Lake Erie Regional

3178
03:37:10,026 --> 03:37:14,186
Conservation Area. Um, I sent Council on email, but just

3179
03:37:14,207 --> 03:37:16,586
to let everyone know on August 5th, uh, that we

3180
03:37:16,687 --> 03:37:19,546
got an update from the MECP. And they did change

3181
03:37:19,967 --> 03:37:23,226
our structuring. So now what we'll be different is all

3182
03:37:23,266 --> 03:37:27,126
of Essex region will be represented by three representatives, uh,

3183
03:37:27,247 --> 03:37:30,186
Windsor will also get three representatives and Peely will get

3184
03:37:30,186 --> 03:37:35,066
one representative. And Wallerca will consist of 22 representatives. So

3185
03:37:35,087 --> 03:37:37,306
I just wanted to get that out there. Um, and

3186
03:37:37,346 --> 03:37:41,066
then Tim and I are on the transition team. That's

3187
03:37:41,167 --> 03:37:44,506
effective until February 1st. Apparently. And, uh, we've been trying

3188
03:37:44,506 --> 03:37:47,066
to get this so - called playbook to explain what

3189
03:37:47,567 --> 03:37:50,746
is going to happen to our area. Um, it's out

3190
03:37:50,786 --> 03:37:53,466
there, but they are not showing us. So we basically

3191
03:37:53,567 --> 03:37:56,328
get to learn. As it comes. So I just wanted

3192
03:37:56,328 --> 03:38:01,800
to give the update. Thank you. Okay. Other new business.

3193
03:38:04,091 --> 03:38:09,169
Councillor Courtney. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Real quick too. Just

3194
03:38:09,169 --> 03:38:11,329
a follow up to, um, the resident reached out to

3195
03:38:11,329 --> 03:38:13,169
all of us. And you were very good. Staff was

3196
03:38:13,209 --> 03:38:17,809
very good with, uh, in regards to the accessibility. Namely,

3197
03:38:17,809 --> 03:38:19,809
the one that she referenced was Boldway Park. Again, just

3198
03:38:19,910 --> 03:38:22,689
looking for signage, just a sign dedicated near the path

3199
03:38:22,710 --> 03:38:25,409
closest to, to me, I don't think it's a significant

3200
03:38:25,590 --> 03:38:29,249
dollar amount, but whatever parks that we have, if it's

3201
03:38:29,289 --> 03:38:32,849
new or there should be, I agree with her just

3202
03:38:32,849 --> 03:38:35,969
a sign in a post. And whatever funding, we're going

3203
03:38:35,969 --> 03:38:38,369
lame dunk, but I mean, hopefully we got some, something

3204
03:38:38,550 --> 03:38:40,049
in a reserve somewhere because this is something that I

3205
03:38:40,089 --> 03:38:42,209
think is the only real request to make sure that

3206
03:38:42,470 --> 03:38:45,409
available parking spot or two is closest to that path

3207
03:38:45,510 --> 03:38:48,769
to let that child, at least quickly as possible, get

3208
03:38:48,790 --> 03:38:51,549
to, even if it's the gravel trails right now. And

3209
03:38:51,549 --> 03:38:53,329
she's aware that it's going to be a phased in

3210
03:38:53,329 --> 03:38:55,249
approach. You did that very well. But just putting up

3211
03:38:55,289 --> 03:38:57,649
a simple sign, just to mark it off. And then

3212
03:38:57,689 --> 03:39:01,369
the ramp access or the, uh, path access. A little

3213
03:39:01,369 --> 03:39:03,289
bit of paint. I'll go and paint the lines. I

3214
03:39:03,289 --> 03:39:05,729
don't care. I got paint. So let's, I hope we

3215
03:39:05,769 --> 03:39:07,969
can move quickly on that. That was the request. Um,

3216
03:39:08,710 --> 03:39:11,089
my second thing is I brought out up earlier MP

3217
03:39:11,129 --> 03:39:14,556
Lewis. It fell on deaf ears. The ministry environment says

3218
03:39:14,556 --> 03:39:16,876
that no, no, they're doing their due diligence with exeters

3219
03:39:17,057 --> 03:39:20,556
radar station. And it went down. But that's not enough

3220
03:39:21,057 --> 03:39:23,196
in my opinion. It was his letter that came in

3221
03:39:23,217 --> 03:39:26,116
and he was his that he brought forward. I don't

3222
03:39:26,116 --> 03:39:28,076
know what kind of, uh, support he got from the

3223
03:39:28,076 --> 03:39:30,376
area. I wish he kind of let everyone know. But

3224
03:39:30,376 --> 03:39:32,716
I'd still like to send a letter off to this

3225
03:39:32,756 --> 03:39:35,596
minister stating that we as the town of Amsburg do

3226
03:39:35,617 --> 03:39:41,990
support, um, P. Lewis'concerns. And we feel it won't go

3227
03:39:41,990 --> 03:39:45,030
anywhere. And also CC, other municipalities and maybe county council

3228
03:39:45,030 --> 03:39:47,830
can bring it up in support of, uh, MPUS because

3229
03:39:47,830 --> 03:39:49,670
he shouldn't be left high and dry when he's trying

3230
03:39:49,670 --> 03:39:51,650
to take care of this area and the safety, uh,

3231
03:39:51,851 --> 03:39:54,470
for bad weather. And again, we just had a rock

3232
03:39:54,470 --> 03:39:56,070
and storm last night. Power was out at my house

3233
03:39:56,110 --> 03:39:59,510
for 12 hours. Um, generator's been in use. I've had

3234
03:39:59,510 --> 03:40:02,290
to pay for generator. Like things are happening here. And

3235
03:40:02,411 --> 03:40:04,910
we try to alert people as soon as possible. We

3236
03:40:04,910 --> 03:40:06,550
have to. And we got to stay on top of

3237
03:40:06,550 --> 03:40:10,930
the government and okay is not, is not adequate. You

3238
03:40:10,930 --> 03:40:12,630
know, we got to make sure that, and he has

3239
03:40:12,651 --> 03:40:14,710
a concern and I want to support him. So I

3240
03:40:14,710 --> 03:40:16,550
put a motion forward that we sent a letter of

3241
03:40:16,590 --> 03:40:20,870
support to the minister in regards to M. P. Lewis's

3242
03:40:21,371 --> 03:40:27,818
letter that he submitted. NCCA copy to the area. Is

3243
03:40:27,818 --> 03:40:29,578
that signifying you want to speak or that you want

3244
03:40:29,578 --> 03:40:35,978
to support this? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Your second to

3245
03:40:36,018 --> 03:40:40,788
get any discussion. All those in favor. Pose that carries.

3246
03:40:40,788 --> 03:40:43,748
And I got one more thing real quick. Um, new

3247
03:40:43,748 --> 03:40:47,422
fire hall. Shingle roof. We're looking for, uh, rate reductions

3248
03:40:47,422 --> 03:40:50,142
for that thing. And I remember this council did shingle.

3249
03:40:50,142 --> 03:40:52,782
I'm seeing metal things going up signifying a metal root.

3250
03:40:52,782 --> 03:40:54,382
Like what are the metal girders and things going up

3251
03:40:54,422 --> 03:40:56,542
on the roof of the fire hall? I've seen it.

3252
03:40:56,542 --> 03:40:59,022
Other people seen it and they've made comments. So what

3253
03:40:59,443 --> 03:41:04,494
roofing material are going is going on the roof. I'll

3254
03:41:04,534 --> 03:41:07,374
take that one through you, Mr. Mayor, to Councillor Courtney.

3255
03:41:07,374 --> 03:41:09,054
It is a shingle roof. What you see up there

3256
03:41:09,235 --> 03:41:12,574
are the girders that will support the insulation. So what

3257
03:41:12,675 --> 03:41:14,734
hasn't gone up yet is the insulation that I'll go

3258
03:41:14,755 --> 03:41:18,009
between those girders. Uh, so those girders will ultimately be

3259
03:41:18,049 --> 03:41:21,609
covered with plywood and shingles, uh, when the final product

3260
03:41:21,630 --> 03:41:25,261
is complete. So with two layers from the outside for

3261
03:41:25,261 --> 03:41:28,621
insulation for the roof versus normally that's interior and you

3262
03:41:28,621 --> 03:41:35,282
see that. So that's the correct. Okay. Thank you. Other

3263
03:41:35,322 --> 03:41:43,133
new business. Councillor Pouger. Mr. Mayor. I just wondered if

3264
03:41:43,154 --> 03:41:49,693
we can write to the Diagello and Premier Ford to

3265
03:41:49,733 --> 03:41:52,093
find out where we are with the 500, 000 dollars

3266
03:41:52,914 --> 03:41:57,869
that we are supposed to be given. Oh, I don't

3267
03:41:57,869 --> 03:42:02,548
see why not. So, okay. That's a request that staff

3268
03:42:02,588 --> 03:42:07,784
do that. Or did I do it? Whoever can do

3269
03:42:07,824 --> 03:42:09,544
it. Do you want it to come from the mayor's

3270
03:42:09,544 --> 03:42:10,824
office or do you want it to come from staff.

3271
03:42:11,634 --> 03:42:15,015
Okay. Would it be more effective coming from the mayor's

3272
03:42:15,015 --> 03:42:17,015
office? All right. Is there a second or to that

3273
03:42:17,055 --> 03:42:22,455
motion? Okay. Uh, second, I saw Councillor Crane's hands first.

3274
03:42:22,455 --> 03:42:27,201
Any discussion on this. All those in favor. Pose. I

3275
03:42:27,241 --> 03:42:29,281
hope staff will help me prepare a nice letter. Thank

3276
03:42:29,321 --> 03:42:33,281
you. And I will gladly sign it. Okay. Other new

3277
03:42:33,321 --> 03:42:38,994
business. Councillor Fouger. Yes. Um, so I'd been receiving some

3278
03:42:39,034 --> 03:42:44,354
emails about Minnesota and other places that are being, their

3279
03:42:44,354 --> 03:42:49,186
water treatment plant is being hacked. I just wondered if

3280
03:42:49,447 --> 03:42:54,485
we could receive an update. From administration to tell us

3281
03:42:55,386 --> 03:42:58,805
all the, um, criteria that they have put in place

3282
03:42:59,066 --> 03:43:06,423
to prevent that in the town of Amorsburg. Worst members

3283
03:43:06,423 --> 03:43:08,903
of council would be happy to bring that report in

3284
03:43:08,943 --> 03:43:12,983
camera, but to bring it publicly would expose all of

3285
03:43:12,983 --> 03:43:15,063
the precautions that we've taken, but we would be happy

3286
03:43:15,063 --> 03:43:18,065
to bring you that in camera. No objection to be

3287
03:43:18,646 --> 03:43:21,825
abroad in camera. It just said, I know it's very

3288
03:43:21,926 --> 03:43:26,385
concerning for a number of people because it's happened in

3289
03:43:26,646 --> 03:43:36,188
Minnesota 55 times. So. People are concerned. A good request.

3290
03:43:36,188 --> 03:43:40,330
Is there a second or to that. Councillor or letter?

3291
03:43:40,330 --> 03:43:47,987
Any discussion. All those in favor. Pose that's carried. Anymore.

3292
03:43:48,901 --> 03:43:55,391
Go ahead. Um, regarding Bill 72, the Bio Ontario Act.

3293
03:43:56,591 --> 03:43:58,970
Would it be not be in our best interest to

3294
03:43:59,071 --> 03:44:04,077
send a letter to the province. Um, asking, telling them

3295
03:44:04,818 --> 03:44:08,637
how it's affecting us dramatically and giving the example of

3296
03:44:08,637 --> 03:44:18,235
what happened tonight. No seconded by Council

3297
03:44:18,256 --> 03:44:23,105
Ukraine. I did, I did have a motion. Or do

3298
03:44:23,105 --> 03:44:25,425
you want any statistics? Cause this, what we did tonight

3299
03:44:25,686 --> 03:44:28,236
did not cost us any money. So we don't have

3300
03:44:28,257 --> 03:44:31,036
anything to, we can say we don't like the act.

3301
03:44:33,050 --> 03:44:38,617
No. I can't find my notion I had. So do

3302
03:44:38,617 --> 03:44:39,977
you want the motion just to say we don't like

3303
03:44:39,977 --> 03:44:46,348
it? No. How it affects us. Well, we went around

3304
03:44:46,348 --> 03:44:49,398
it. Process more money. Well, I'm just trying to find

3305
03:44:50,139 --> 03:44:58,618
my, my motion. That I had made. Until. It does.

3306
03:45:01,709 --> 03:45:03,688
While you're looking forward, I'll see if anybody else has

3307
03:45:03,728 --> 03:45:06,058
any other motions. Off.

3308
03:45:16,159 --> 03:45:22,246
Yeah. Well, I mean, but okay. We can send it

3309
03:45:22,246 --> 03:45:25,846
could have cost us money, but we decided to, okay.

3310
03:45:30,372 --> 03:45:33,111
The scenario tonight to them that it was going to

3311
03:45:33,111 --> 03:45:36,491
cost us 120, 000 dollars more than one of the

3312
03:45:36,491 --> 03:45:38,431
primary reasons why it was deferred. And it was an

3313
03:45:38,431 --> 03:45:41,391
option available on our toolbox. But moving forward, if this

3314
03:45:41,391 --> 03:45:42,991
is going to be a trend, which it sounds like

3315
03:45:43,031 --> 03:45:45,966
it's going to be. That's why we've got concerns. I

3316
03:45:45,966 --> 03:45:50,436
think it's fair. All right. Mr. Mayor, my motion probably

3317
03:45:50,617 --> 03:45:54,036
is not a might not be appropriate. It was to

3318
03:45:54,057 --> 03:45:58,396
direct administration to correspond with the province of Ontario. To

3319
03:45:58,497 --> 03:46:07,196
request compensation for 124, 045 dollars. But because we didn't,

3320
03:46:07,196 --> 03:46:11,196
uh, proceed with it. I guess we can't. No, we'll

3321
03:46:11,196 --> 03:46:14,118
have to go with the first motion. Okay. But it

3322
03:46:14,158 --> 03:46:16,678
makes sense. Okay. All those in favor of the first

3323
03:46:16,699 --> 03:46:23,139
motion. Okay. Pose. Okay. Um, I had a few, but

3324
03:46:23,139 --> 03:46:26,119
we're not going to get there because, uh, we've got

3325
03:46:26,159 --> 03:46:29,479
other things to do. I had a couple of motions.

3326
03:46:29,479 --> 03:46:31,919
I thought, uh, one of the councillors was going to

3327
03:46:32,540 --> 03:46:36,199
do what reg nemeth asked and asked for a report

3328
03:46:36,460 --> 03:46:39,319
on the North of Alma, but nobody did. He said,

3329
03:46:39,319 --> 03:46:41,239
you were going to do it. He said, Diane was

3330
03:46:41,260 --> 03:46:46,862
going to do it. And nobody did. Like that. Were

3331
03:46:46,862 --> 03:46:50,782
you asking a report from. Council games doing everything? Is

3332
03:46:50,822 --> 03:46:53,022
Councillor Crane doing it right now? Yes. Um, so I

3333
03:46:53,022 --> 03:46:56,382
don't have to do it. So I'll move a motion.

3334
03:46:56,382 --> 03:47:00,302
I spoke with Kevin about perhaps council receiving a watershed

3335
03:47:01,683 --> 03:47:04,862
update in a report. Uh, when I spoke to Mr.

3336
03:47:04,963 --> 03:47:07,102
Nemeth, he did not explain what he was looking to

3337
03:47:07,142 --> 03:47:10,862
talk about. So I'm hoping that a general reporter about

3338
03:47:10,902 --> 03:47:13,808
watershed will give him the chance to do that. Yeah.

3339
03:47:13,808 --> 03:47:16,368
I think specifically around the big creek signage that was

3340
03:47:16,408 --> 03:47:18,608
put in there in the environmental provisions and how they're

3341
03:47:18,608 --> 03:47:21,808
working. Um, may speak to the area that he has

3342
03:47:21,909 --> 03:47:26,355
concerns with. That would be great. And then some move

3343
03:47:26,395 --> 03:47:34,379
around a seconder. Not yet. Secondary. Councillor Pouger. Okay. Just

3344
03:47:34,400 --> 03:47:38,349
may I speak on it. Well, very quickly. You got

3345
03:47:38,530 --> 03:47:41,849
two minutes to wrap up everything. I'll be so, uh,

3346
03:47:41,970 --> 03:47:44,749
the other part that they're concerned about is if there

3347
03:47:44,789 --> 03:47:48,589
was a frag mite's mapping, I know we spent 20,

3348
03:47:48,629 --> 03:47:51,549
000 dollars to do it. And I think that's a

3349
03:47:51,549 --> 03:47:56,189
part of the concern is how successful have we been

3350
03:47:57,090 --> 03:48:06,208
with phragmalities control. Okay. So, okay.

3351
03:48:07,749 --> 03:48:10,591
But that doesn't have to be in the. Okay. Uh,

3352
03:48:11,492 --> 03:48:15,043
any other discussion, all those in favor. Pose that's carried.

3353
03:48:15,764 --> 03:48:18,463
Um, I did have one item, but I'll deal with

3354
03:48:19,044 --> 03:48:25,587
staff later. Okay. Uh, anything else. Yes. I got one

3355
03:48:25,608 --> 03:48:30,638
minute. We've got, uh, three bylaws, 24. 1. It is

3356
03:48:30,659 --> 03:48:36,576
the bylaw, uh, to the shoel line drain. We'll move

3357
03:48:36,576 --> 03:48:39,506
them all. Can I do that? Yeah, you can. Okay.

3358
03:48:39,546 --> 03:48:43,986
I'll do it. Perfect. That includes the confirmatory bylaw moved

3359
03:48:43,986 --> 03:48:47,426
by Councillor Crane, seconded by Councillor Lair, all those in

3360
03:48:47,466 --> 03:48:57,039
favor. Opposed that's carried adjournment. Okay. Councillor

3361
03:48:57,079 --> 03:49:01,728
Courtney, seconded by Councillor Lair. All those in favor. Opposed.

3362
03:49:01,728 --> 03:49:06,600
And the meeting concludes that. 1029.