ready to kick this off.
» Okay. So, I'm going to call this to order and the first item is the report
out of the close session. >> Thank you, Member Collins. The council
did meet in close session on two items. There was no public comment in advance
of going into close session on the first item. The council gave direction to
staff to defend the town and there's no refer action.
» Thanks
Lewis. >> I'm here. Council member Wood Whitmer
» here. >> Council Lane
» here. >> Vice Mayor Deolia.
» Yep. >> Mayor Holland
» here. >> All president accounted for.
» Okay. And then are there any public comments
that How are we going to public comment though? There's only one item on the
» for 30 seconds. Just public comment for items that are off.
» Okay. And then we'll call public comment for the item. Okay. Does anyone
have public comments for items on the internet online?
» No one online has indicated they have comment.
» Okay, then it off.
Good evening, council members, Britney Bendex, town planner. Thank you for
having me tonight. I'm here to give an update on our efforts for facilitating
onampus housing as part of our housing enrollment programs. uh you may neighbor
call that we met on September 3rd uh in the fall of 2025.
Uh at that time I presented kind of three approaches we've been trying to
consider in terms of assisting in this effort. Uh the first being providing
staffing and financial support for grants and start to seek grants and
loans that support housing development. The second would be how we use staff to
help foster uh the lead public private partnerships uh which we refer
to as P3s uh between universities uh the university and a developer. Uh the third
was then facilitating a donor-driven development by passing
a committee of residents uh like pursuing some advancement of plan
development college. Uh so really the direction from the council at that point
was to do some high level grant evaluations and then also pursue working
with outside. So I'm gonna we have a couple uh different efforts from outside
residents. I know one is online participating virtually and uh Miss
Flity here Carol 30 she can address what her efforts have been just to give a
brief summary of the grant research that we've done. Um, we actually were given
the name of a company, California Consulting, which is a firm that
specializes in grant writing by council member Whitmer, who met them, I believe,
at the uh, League of Cities. >> Yeah, League of Cities. I went to their
presentation and talked to them about what we were trying to do, and they said
they had experience in that and etc. So, >> so they had a list of 15 common grant
applications for campus housing that we were able to look at. Uh, generally
speaking, I think some of the barriers are uh the alignment between whatever
the programming is for the college and the building that they want to see
produced and then also the timing of any sort of financial rewards that could be
provided through the grant. So they're not there there are things that are out
there but they need to be tailored to a specific program that the building would
provide as part of so we could further discuss those opportunities. Uh but I'm
going to go ahead and turn it over to ML.
Thank you. Well, happy new year. >> Happy new year.
» Welcome back. >> Yes.
I realize that um I have not kept you all up to date by design on what our
activities are at Menllo College and part of it is that I am very hesitant
because the Brown Act to engage with you all to be honest with you after my
little experience last year. So I've just kept things under quite rapid key.
But tonight I'm gonna open the kabala and share it all. So I put together two
pages for you of where we are right now. Who is we?
The African housing coalition did commit to you all that we would come up with a
rough set of plans for Memo College and that could be used for fundraising. This
is not a set that would be submitted to the building department for approval.
But it turns out that it's a little harder to do a rough set of plans than
one might think. If all we were going to do is just go ahead and draw rooms on a
piece of paper, that's easy. What's not so easy is the mechanical. If you don't
know the mechanical, then you really can't do the plans. So, I have been
spending a lot of time on the mechanical um plans
to put to incorporate. Um so, where do we stand? the housing coalition
primarily Jeff Morris and myself have met three times with the college
president and the dean and the development head one time they've been
really constructive meetings where they have shared with us the vision for the
college what they think their problems are and where they want to take it where
they want to take it is graduate programs
and so what they shared with us that they need is graduate housing graduate
student housing, not under the graduate. And they need staff. Staff in in their
words is not faculty. It is the cafeteria workers, the landscapers, you
know, um the cleaning team, people like that
and adjunct faculty. So, they shared with us that most of
their full-time faculty, they already have
houses. They rent them. They own them. there's no need there but they have a
lot of adjun faculty that come to the campus two or three days a week and they
need housing for them so that's our focus is graduate students and a faculty
and campus staff okay so um I had two campus tours that were very very uh
insightful and interesting with the facility head and I went to the Ariyaga
John Ariaga residence And I was quite surprised at what I saw.
Um, it is very very small one
room units, no built-in closet,
shared bathrooms, very large ones on a hall,
no ADA compliance, and they don't care about that.
um a lot of not a lot but several large study rooms on each floor and meeting
rooms plus a security office and they don't like the heating system they
currently have which fits to the outside. They'd like to see something
different on that. These rooms are really tiny.
Really tiny. And I was stunned. There's no closet. no sink, no amenities.
It cost $25 million to build that facility. It was built um three years
ago, four years ago. You couldn't build it for that today.
And I don't think that's what the college is thinking about for graduate
students and actually faculty. >> Is that undergraduate?
» Yeah, >> it's all undergraduate.
» They do have some staff housing that I did not see.
» All right. and it's very limited but that is all undergraduate and they see a
reduction in their undergraduate student body because it's hard to get visas they
have a very large international student population very hard to get vis visas
it's scared off applications and reduction in federal funding so they do
not see undergraduate growth as as being in the cards they have um I think two
graduate programs right now and they were talking about three more at the
time that we met. They see the growth there.
» Um and they would like to they don't they don't see a big growth overall
though that would really just replace the students they're missing on the
undergraduate and to add a little bit more.
I thought they had a good plan um and they were very very very open with any
questions that we asked and ensuring all of their plans. But if we're looking to
the Ariyaga Center as being a guide for our multif family housing, it's not.
It's not there. >> I never thought it would. It would. It's
just a dorm. The dorm dorm like I had in college.
» Well, you went to an exclusive college, Carol. I mean, honest
dorm does not count for the towns. >> No, it doesn't. So, this is a graduate
student housing >> and and
that the apartment building would have to have
» amenities like >> and that's what we're planning
» bathrooms, kitchen, closets in order for them to,
» you know, >> so it's a lot more of that.
» Yeah. >> Um, so something interesting happened
though in December. >> Uh, my husband and I decided to buy an
apartment building. ah >> which we did 40 minutes. It happens to
be on the high end luxury and in Belmont and so I have spent a lot of time up
there with the facilities head understanding the mechanical of that
building because it is 40 units and it I think it's very similar to what this
multif family would become. And so I I took a look at the mechanical
of Aria. I took a look at what we're buying. The same time we bought that, I
studied three other apartment buildings that we were
interested in investing in in Berling. And again, the the apartments didn't
interest me nearly as much as the mechanical because when you buy
something, you have to maintain it. And that's usually where you have the
problem is on the maintenance. So, with all of that, I went back and kind of
revisited my initial thinking on it. And then we had one site visit that four
members of the housing coalition, all of which were commercial did and the
college doesn't know about this yet because the development head wanted to
be involved in that meeting and um there was objection to that. So
» objection from the president, >> objection from the four members of the
housing coalition, one in particular. And so um they went up there and studied
the three locations the college gave to us. College gave us three locations. So
in the second bullet here, site locations. The president was very
interested in building a structure as you go into the front entry in the right
parking lot. And he wanted a threestory building that would have parking not
only for the residents of the building, but visitor parking and a lot more than
we ever contemplated. A massive parking garage.
Um then there was a parking lot that's uh right across from the admin building
and they also recommend it's very small. It will not work. It's so small that we
would have to tear down the new athletic center that they have just finished
which of course we're not going to do. And so that leaves one other property.
It's called the O'Brien lot and it is the one that's at the corner of
Alejandro and Valparza. And the the four um commercial builders
from the housing coalition when they looked at three sites also felt that was
the most likely and a fourstory building instead of three because town approved
that it's a lot cheaper to build four stories than wider three stories.
So that is >> why why would they limit the building in
the lot to the right of the entry to three stories?
» They felt that the residents of Atheton would be more receptive to a three-story
building and they moved to a four. >> That we zoned it for four, right?
» You you >> you approved four.
» I think we zoned it for four. >> You did zone it for four. And as I look
at the property, there's a lot of trees in there. Yeah. That would really shield
it. I don't see a problem in fourtory buildings.
» It's across from the sports sports, you know.
» Wait a minute. Are you talking about the Alejandra? Okay.
» See, you guys are talking about two different locations.
» We are the the So, what's point number one?
» We pull up the map. >> The parking lot to the right of the
entry.
That's what that's what the president >> That's what the president
also have a much larger parking me.
» No, she's working. >> Okay.
» But I have to join the Zoom. We're waiting for Savannah White some
gesturing on a map. We're all
so
» you didn't answer my question. >> My question was why are they focused on
limiting any building? I understand they want lots of parking, but any building
to the right of the entry to three stories versus
» it's any building period. >> The president suggested that a
threestory building he felt would be more acceptable to residents.
» Well, but I don't think that's really an issue. But he he was trying to be
sensitive. >> Yeah. Yeah.
» So, which side of the entries is the threetory building that the president
wanted to have? Is it on the right hand side of budding up to the El Camino or
is it on the left hand side which is the open space that's going up against
Victoria Mana? >> Okay, let's take let's look at the map
and point. >> No, it's not the right. So, when you go
into Menllo College, right, >> you have the whole Zig parking area to
the right, >> right?
» That's where it would be. Oh, in that parking lot.
» In that parking lot. So, that parking lot would be gone.
» Okay. Got it. Right. Thank you. >> And then this new building would be
there with a much bigger parking area than just the footprint of the building.
» Got it. Thank you. >> So, that's what he wanted, but you guys
are suggesting the parking lot off of >> Alejandra. And so, Alejandra, which
makes so much sense. >> That's what we originally said we were.
» Exactly. Yeah. And so a fourstory building
» and it's got a lot of trees in there. It's across from the middle school
sports area. >> This is the Alejandra O'Brien lot.
» Yeah. Well, I guess it but it's El Camino Alejandra. Okay.
» Yeah, that's the O'Brien. >> And you have
And then the other place is the entry right here. Yeah. To the right. And uh
to the right was this little parking lot >> further over
» like there. >> Right here.
» Right there. >> Can't see it. You're blocking.
» Well, it's right I think what we zoned for four is right there.
» Yeah, that's what we talked about. >> It's the parking lot. We did.
» No, it's it's just past the parking lot. There's there's a couple bungalows in
there. barracks that we did not from World War II.
» Yeah. Right. Well, the issue the issue with the Alejandra one is
we need the light there and there there's already a light on the other
location, >> but we talked about putting
» there's not a there's a light at the end.
» I think that's a separate issue. I don't know if it needs a light or not. Okay.
» Well, there's a another reason that it makes sense to have Alejandra because
the Ariyaga residence hall >> which has some amenities in it that
could be used by grad students is not that far. It's just across the parking
lot right >> on the other side. It's very close
» to and so you'd have all your housing kind of in that area.
» So that's that's the discussion. It really doesn't matter to the building
that that we're designing which parking lot it goes on. It'll fit either one.
The only one it will not work on is the small one that we have to tear down the
uh f phys. Ridiculous.
» That makes no sense. >> No, we're not doing that.
» And we didn't we did not differentiate our zoning within me college, right?
Like >> is that right, Britney? I'm trying to
bring up the zoning, but >> I'm not sure that that's right.
» Yeah, >> we have two. We have both a RM20 and an
RM40 site on >> we did different
we did the RM40 near the administration building. That's right.
» And the RM20 on the O'Brien lot. I'm pretty sure.
» Well, there was RM20s for Menllo College that were right off of Al Verizon
» in their parking lot and then there was the RM.
» You mean MEO school? >> Menlo school. And then the college we
talked about that area with that parking lot that's on Alejandra.
» Well, I think we zoned more than one site for multifamily at Menllo College.
One for RM20 and one for RM40. >> I don't happen to have one.
I'm just curious enough. >> Yeah,
» that would not be hard to do. >> I know. I'm just you know,
» but we just want to build >> parks which you know
» why build two and you can build. >> So, you know, again, for our purposes
getting the plants, it'll work on either.
» Okay. >> Doesn't matter. And
» yeah, >> you all can decide, you know, where
» here is the parking lot in the purple. Yeah,
» that aligns with the boundaries of the parking lot and that's RM40.
» That's 40. >> Yeah.
» Red is the barracks that I mean that's what we've been calling them the
barracks. Uh >> that is RM20.
» Okay. >> And then this rep represents the parking
lot over by the entrance that's right off of Elino Royale.
» Yeah. >> And that's also the parking lot. It's
not the bunker. It's the perfect >> and I said no.
» So So that gives us more flexibility. >> Yes. And these were drawn with Tom going
out and walking the site with president and reflecting on the letter that they
had sent in 2021. So it's it seems like the sites that you are consistent with
generally consistent with what we have here. But in terms of on that corner
lot, that larger corner lot, um going back and forth between three and four
stories, that's exactly where we would want height
» in town. Because across the street is the um
» the field. >> The field.
» Yeah. >> Right. Right up against El Camino.
» Right. We also, you know, amongst the housing
coalition felt like you come in the entry and you're looking at a big
building, it is not very attractive
» to be honest with you. And the building will look like same finish as the
Ariyaga center. We wanted to make it consistent with that. So the elevations
will look the same, right? It should be one story tall. Aria is three stories.
» Is three stories. >> So,
um we talked a little bit about about the housing needs for the um college.
Part of that story is down below one story and ground dips down
» to it, but yeah, it's three. So um the housing needs
they the college viewers this as being a a very important recruiting to
for them in terms of staff students they have no graduate housing now and then
adjunct faculty. Um so they love the idea but they are very emphatic they
have no money for it. Right. >> And sorry, can I ask a question? Do they
like the idea irregardless of which of those two locations your bullet number
one or number three? >> They do. They're very supportive of of
our need for multif family and their need for multi. Very supportive. Great.
» I've heard nothing but enthusiasm from them and nothing but positive comment
and willingness to work with the town. In fact, they are willing to work with
the town on fundraising, right? >> Because they are going to start a
multi-year, theoretically two-year, $100 million fundraising campaign. They have
a new fundraising director who is very um enthusiastic and very willing to work
with Athetherton, but I have some concerns about it as she would like the
context. And I think that Athetherton residents
are best approached by Athetherton residents for this.
» Well, we could partner up with some people.
» We can partner and we can we can certainly have some talk so that we're
not approaching the same individuals and we have to be consistent in the
messaging as well and what the plan is for the college. But um
I know of one potential donor that absolutely does not want to be by any
college recruiting person. But but what what so they're about to launch a
hundred million dollar fundraising campaign and what is the purpose of
that? >> The purpose is um
structures and so I I did say are we double counting this
» structure including this housing? >> I I don't think this housing was
included but they did mention that maybe there could be some sharing of funds.
Now, this was just idle talk of the development head. This was not the
president >> and he's relatively new, isn't he?
» She's a Yeah, she's relatively new and she doesn't work on campus. She works
from her home and comes in for meetings. But I liked her a lot. She's very
enthusiastic as one would expect from a development head and really wants to do
the right thing, you know, in joining the town or or for the college. So um
the challenge is how to best use her enthusiasm.
» Yeah. >> For us. So
» Winer's been pretty clear that his fundraising was to provide scholarships
for students. >> 100 million is an awful big number for
scholarships. >> Well, yeah,
» it is. Okay. I I had the impression that they were going to do some remodeling
some of the old >> Yeah, they have to do that remodeling,
» right? Several of their buildings have been
» it was going to go for some remodeling and then for
» Yeah. academic. >> Yeah. But he, you know, he pretty much
previously said that, you know, he didn't have the money to build
something, but he certainly would like us to help him.
» And he is consistent in that remark with Jeff and me.
» Yeah. It's very made very clear. Um, okay. So, we talked a little bit about
Aria and what it has. And I think it's important to understand besides the room
configuration, it has a cafe, a very nice cafe with a
full kitchen where they can make sandwiches and meals. So, we are not
putting a cafe in the new structure. We don't need to.
They have large study areas in there because the rooms are so small. Well,
now we're going to have real apartments where you have enough room for a desk in
it. So, you don't need those big study rooms.
They have a gym over there. They have a gym next door. We don't need to put a
gym in. They have a security office there and they have no solar over there.
That's another thing that we have to put in because PG&E now does require under
net three that you have onsite storage for your excess energy. So when we built
Adam Way E was storing it on the grid. We did not have to have batteries that
will have to be batteries >> now for this. So I've called Cobalt
which is my solar company to say I need some help from you in designing this.
Are we required to put solar on it? >> You are.
» Yep. >> Solar ready for sure.
» Yep. >> That's different than putting solar
panels on it. >> So that it but is there a state law now
that would require solar? I don't know about it.
» Well, I went to chat GPT and I asked I don't know if the answer is right when
it said yes. >> It's a 5050.
» Y. So, I think we need to plan we need to plan a room big enough for all the
batteries. It's gonna be a lot of batteries.
» Where's our >> But we only have to do the batteries if
we do the solar. >> If you do it right,
» and if we don't have to do the solar, right?
» Can I ask a question? In one of the meetings that the
mayor and vice mayor had with Stephen, one of the things he did mention is that
if there were some programmatic space in this new facility that was dedicated to
something of a of a need on campus, whether it's the sports program or the
atrisisk student program or something like that,
he would be willing to identify a donor that might help fund part of the
facility if that facility had a face to that. Did that come up here?
» And his excuse me, let me just add on his vision of that would be on the
ground floor so that there would not be apartments on the ground floor. It'd be
more of a public space uh for this other uh type of a use. No, he did not mention
that and I actually brought it up and didn't get an answer about, you know,
programs and the programs that he was talking about were were tech programs,
» you know, for graduate students where he would marry, you know, a an academic
program with a corporate need in the valley.
» That was more the vision that he articulated. He never brought up any
other programs. >> Wow. So in in our plan right now it is
strictly house but there are some meeting rooms that I think are important
to put in. >> So we have some of those but no cafe
security office no security office and um
» no shared bathrooms none of that stuff this time.
» So what are we planning second >> are you going to go into the floor plan
the the size of the units now? Is that what you have
» I'm sorry. >> Are you going to talk about the size of
the units right now? right now that's dangerous. I'm going to the units.
» So the plan had I think 42 units and we are designing 60 because mathematically
it works better and quite frankly I think we're going to need more units.
They would love to have a design for 100.
They mentioned that it's not what we're doing.
» No. >> That's not
» Wait. They they would like to see the design have 100 living units. love to
have uh both well I got an email from the development head after the meetings
with the president saying that she had talked to the president and that they
were very desirous of having as many as 100 units
» they can pay >> I don't think that we're planning
fundraising for 100 >> would all the residents be associated
with college in some format that's what their requirement all would All the
would all the residents be associated? >> Absolutely.
» Yes. >> They don't want outside campus because I
do want >> I have the layouts for a studio
apartment and a one-bedroom apartment. I'm not planning any two bedroom. And
the reason for that is that I think when you get to two bedroomedroom,
we tend to have families with children. >> I really don't see children on that
campus. Just a playground. we know amenities for it. We're on a busy
street. I just don't see it. And I haven't shared that with anybody else,
but >> and then if you go to two bedrooms,
sometimes have to have two baths. It's just a whole different animal. It
doesn't align well as you're building the structure. So, Carol, I think you're
absolutely right in that assessment because you know the new uh town homes
along El Camino at Middle Plaza that Stanford built for they only have
studios and one bedrooms. They do not have any two bedrooms units in that
whole massive structure there because there exactly right
» that reason then they get all the the grandmothers and the mothers and the
» Exactly. And and it's a whole different animal. So this really is focused on
graduate students staff. They may be married but they
don't bring you know their children they don't have children or it could be two
staff living in one you know unit as well with one bedroom I don't know and
you know the adjun faculty >> that will be coming in
» and staying three days a week is what we were told.
» So would that be on a rotating basis almost like a hotel the adjunct? No, I
mean they would have to rent and you know because these do have to be leased.
» So whether they're there two days a week or five days a week is irrelevant.
» It's irrelevant to us. They they'll be leasing it
» because they're they're going to we have to build it and they're going to they'll
figure out how to manage >> the rental.
» They lease their staff housing right now. They have some staff housing for no
more than $2500 a month.
» Yes. whether it's one or two bedroom. >> Well, that qualifies as affordable.
» Yeah. >> When you're building a building like
this, it doesn't cover the cost. >> Some of their staff some of their staff
and and their their coaches and things like that.
They have families that live there now. they can move them and to move people
out of the barracks and put them in the barracks or move them from where they
are because they have some apartment buildings in some of the dorms already
but they do have families living there. Carol and it's not just one or two
» there a lot unless we're told to change it's not
staff it's faculty and coaches. >> So how big is a studio apartment? about
465 square feet. >> How big is a onebedroom? 650 to 700
square f feet. >> So why why so small on the one bedroom?
» So we can get more in. >> Yeah.
» Right. And I went out and I looked to buy
» I looked at Menllo Park and an average size for a one-bedroom and a studio. And
the one bedrooms were a little bit larger than this.
» Right. That's what I thought. But I looked at the average for the state.
It's lower than this. >> Yeah. I that hasn't surprised me. It
just seems >> right.
» I'm also looking at from the standpoint of what kind of housing stock do we want
in the town in general and whether or not
» you know it let's >> Right.
» I'm looking at it in terms of cost as well. I think the one bedroom is
probably going to be about 700. Yeah. By the time we're done the studio maybe
about 500. This this is the range it's in right now. Well, there's just going
to be residents that are here for two years. It's not housing stock for
residents. It's >> it's somebody who's come from somewhere
else and they're >> going to be here for two years. They can
graduate and they're going to go away. >> It's not it's not residential housing
per se. >> Yeah. One thing that the college was
very clear on is the faculty do not want to be colllocated same
floors same general living area as students
even graduate >> they want some separation.
» Yeah. So, one could say, well, should we build an L-shaped building where part of
it is faculty and part of it is, you know, student, but then you're building
two buildings a lot more expensive. >> Well, would floor separation work or
they want separation. >> We came up with no they didn't say how
to design it. They just said they don't want to all be mixed together.
So, what I came up with is a large entry. you have an elevator, which they
currently have, straight across the entry.
If you go one way, you're going to be faculty housing. If you go the other
way, you're going to be student housing. At the end of both buildings, there's a
staircase, which is the way it is right now in Araga. There's a staircase at the
ends. So, if you don't want to use the entry, if you're on a lower floor, use a
staircase. You'll never see the other. How much are you gonna have if you're if
you only have a shared entry? Not a lot. >> The faculty the faculty are going to be
longer term in terms of their tenure in the area.
» I don't know how long faculty stay there.
» Did they tell you how many faculty me >> rooms they need because they don't need
that many. This is not their permanent house.
» They have a house someplace else, but they travel.
» Oh, it's a it's a landing spot, >> right? It's a landing spot. So they and
that they said they don't need it for regular faculty housing that permanent
full-time faculty already own or rent a house someplace else or an apartment.
» All right. >> They need it for the adjunk members that
come to town three days a week. >> Did you raise the idea of the separate
wings with the common entry? >> I have not talked to him about this yet.
» Okay. So, I had hoped to meet with the president this week and go over the, you
know, three plans, which, you know, I have them scribbled on paper, but I need
to put him on drafting paper tomorrow. And he's out of the country. I'll be
back, I hope, next week. I've asked for a meeting next Friday to go over with
him and show him the actual plans. And of course, I'm sure there's going to be
um revisions after that. He'll have ideas that we need to incorporate. And
then I have talked to PPG about doing the final CAD drawings. They agreed. So
Jeff talked to one person who had PPG and I talked to another. Both principles
and both said yes, they would do it and and they were they were fine. They were
happy to do it. There's no issue about that.
» You might want to think about a larger size. You might want to think about a
larger size for the agent faculty in terms
» and they will so the graduate student will be the studio,
» right? >> The a faculty will be the one bedroom.
» Okay. Got it. All right. So, um, again, no gym, no cafe, sub meeting rooms, no
shared baths. Every every bath, all electric, because I know that's what you
all would like. And it's the county. So, right now, they do have some gas in
Orya, but there's no no gas here. And I did talk to my HVAC company this morning
that went to a supply house today to talk to them about what um all electric
with air conditioning. They have no air conditioning in Ariata that they come
nowadays with heat pump, air conditioning, and electric all in one
unit. So we'll have to have a utility closet that will have a hot water pump
and you know the the HVAC in there. There'll probably be three or four large
units on the roof as well to accommodate. We'll have separate
metering for the electric water as in most apartments will be
common shared. We have a separate meter for water and they'll
» separate meter per
» we'll have separate for electric. >> Right.
» Solar I have called cobalt to say we need your help on design. Let's figure
out how many batteries we're going to have to have here and resign the room
for it and how the wire >> Well, why don't we double check with our
building official? >> Yeah, let's first make sure it's
required. >> I don't trust chat GP or
» I do think um George, I think you're right about ready,
» but what does ready mean? Ready means you have to have a room. Ready may mean
you have to have wiring in there. >> Conduit.
» Well, wiring conduit. >> You have to have wiring. I don't know
about it. >> All you're doing is you're not putting
the panel the batteries in the panels on the roof and the batteries.
» No, you don't put the wires. >> You don't put the wires in the conduit.
You just have to have the batteries. >> You have to have the batteries
installed. >> Halfway.
Yeah. >> Yeah. So, like for example, this
building was solar ready. We had areas for the panels and the inverters.
We didn't have to have batteries for here. And then there were conduits and
pathways going up to the roof to allow for that future installation.
» But you didn't wire. You just had the cond.
» Yeah. So the solar installer, >> right,
» would install the stansions and the panels, wire it down into the the room
like you said. >> Well, I'm gonna Yeah.
» And put in the inverters and >> Yeah. We'll have to have the room ready,
you know, for the for the batteries. So, I' I've asked Cobalt to I'll just ask
them tell me what in their mind it would take to be solar ready on this.
» Carol, we have hard stop at six is >> hard. Okay, we're almost done.
» Room from us. So, >> why we haven't had public?
» Why no ADA? >> We have public comment
» because they said they didn't need it, but I don't believe that.
» Yeah, I don't think. >> So, I think we're going to have to have
a certain number of KDA compliant units. >> All right. So, what's the studio unit
going to have? It's going to have a cooktop, a microwave, a secondary
disposal. I hadn't planned on a dishwasher, but we can put one in.
There'll be a utility closet for the furnace, and there'll be a hot water
heater, a bath with a shower, no bathtub, and they'll have a built-in
closet. Um, for one bedroom, they will have a
galley kitchen, a small washer and dryer in there. They'll have a bath with
shower. They'll have full HVAC, hot water heater, and then a bedroom with a
closet as well. So, larger. Um, what are we working on now? You talked about a
little bit. I'm working on the mechanical plan, the solar design, the
elevator bid, and a rough budget. But I have to have the mechanical before I get
the rough budget done. So the next plan is to meet with the college uh on next
Friday, show them what we have uh ask for their input and they get once we get
consensus with the college get the cash drawings from PPG.
And just to reiterate, the housing coalition will not engage in
fundraising. We leave that up to you all to decide what to do. And as I
mentioned, the college is willing to join in that. And that's the update.
Do you guys want to >> I have a quick comment.
» Wait, before we get to comments, let's take a public comment.
» Go ahead. No problem. >> And so that we can cross that out there
public.
» Okay, great. Now, >> so I think a couple things. One, we have
to check about the solar because I'm not sure it's required. And number two, I'm
not sure that you need to include washer dryers in each of those units. I've
looked at affordable housing that's been built recently, which didn't have
washerd dryers, and we could have, you know, a common space where there's a
washerdryer. It's not as desirable, but I'm not sure how undesirable that is. I
don't know that that's a deal go. >> So, I have them in my new apartment
building. they are really tiny. But for somebody who's there three days a week
and she wants to do, you know, minimal laundry, it's a convenience for them.
Um, I thought I would design in the closet, you know, where they could go in
and the plumbing. >> But there's obviously an additional cost
if you're having to not not just the hookup, but if you're having to provide
a >> certainly is not going to be on the
graduate student side. There will be shared laundry over there as they have
right now. They have a big laundry room. Um
» I would think you could do that for adjunct
» staff also. >> They're somewhere else four days a week
» all over.
So, so Britney, in terms of direction that you
guys need from us, do you have anything specifically that we need to give you
direction on for this or is this us receiving and then you're going to come
back in March and that
» specific to the uh the resident effort? I think Carol is on the receiving end of
the direction here. She's aware that my suggestion is that we provide you an
update in the context of the 2025 annual progress reported in March. Um, George,
do you think we need any direction on grant efforts or should we wait and tell
them? We're going to continue with the grant conversations we're having with
California consulting and other vendors. But there was also a conversation during
one-on-one uh with members of council about the possibility that the council
authorized staff as we're talking about this uh potential partnership with the
college to use town funds to work with a grant
provider to seek out and apply for grants on their with them
collaboratively. But we can do that at a future meeting. Not necessarily today,
but if the council's supportive with that idea, some provide some feedback on
» depend upon.
» Yeah, we depend on the cost. We have to get a proposal holding that sort of
thing. >> So, we're going to present three plans
to the president next Friday if we get the meeting. One's a 50/50 split. Half
grad student, half adjunk faculty. The other is a 6040. We have 60% grad 40%
faculty and staff. and then 2060 depending on what their need is and they
just have to give us direction afterwards,
» right? >> Uh so title 24 requires PV, but there
are exceptions that you don't have to apply it, but you have to go read title
24 >> Britney was indicating it was based
somewhat on height of the building from
the difference. So but that it's not just solar panels. It might be
construction type building classification. So there are some
decisions embedded in that type choice. >> Yeah,
» I would be interested in learning more about that.
» Wait, so so is it required with three stories or with four stories?
» They have a different set of requirements once you're above three
stories >> and that set of requirements is
requires less or more solar. >> More.
» More. Yeah, I would say the taller the building, the more required.
» Yeah, if you if you don't put solar panels up there, you have to be solar
ready as as Robert had indicated. But the exception that I'm reading here says
it's based on the roof size. If it's less than 80 square feet, then you don't
have to put solar. >> Well, that's something
» 80 square feet. That's 8 by 10, right? >> Yeah.
Is that wrong? That's what it says. It doesn't mean it.
» Well, you haven't yet modeled >> the I mean I I know you you gave the
size of the unit sort of general perspective on it, but you haven't
modeled that in the specific structure. Is that
» Oh, you have. >> Right.
» And you come out at these numbers. >> So, it's a Yeah. Um, so it's about
10,000 square feet for the bottom level. And I've even come over the parking lot.
So, what do I have? I've got the the unit layouts. I have the floor layouts.
I have dummy space for the mechanical rooms right now in the electrical that
I'm trying to finalize. Um,
we do not have a survey because the college should not have one and we're
not planning to do a survey. They didn't want to pay for it and we don't want to
pay for it. I don't think it's necessary.
» Not at this
site. Now they have surveys of the entire college but they are really
really >> not useful for this. We're not planning
a survey. So we're planning to have roughly five pages.
» You know you will not have three plans for the fundraiser. You'll have the one
the college decides on. It gives us the guidance but I have them all drawn. I
don't have them in a pretty beautiful format to show Stephen Weiner and that's
Friday. So, I've got to put it on big drafting paper and then I will give the
drawings to PPG to do the final CAD. They've agreed to that. And so, we will
turn over to you all a set of drawings with exterior elevation, what it looks
like, interior layout, the apartments, a list of what's in the apartments, you
know, what we are funding, and a site plan.
to use for fundraising. >> That's the idea. Roughly five pages.
» And you're you're doing the architectural rendering for the
exterior. The skins are >> so I'm not doing that. I'm doing the
interior layouts and all but I have all the photographs from Aria and I have
their building plans. Well, CPG can do the
» I'm hope so because so I'm giving personally I think the Aria building is
not very attractive. >> Yeah, it's not good at all.
» I'm just saying. Okay. >> I didn't vote for it.
» I don't know why we have to be married to it. And when they did it, they
slotted it in >> between these other three
» buildings. And it has Yeah. So I >> I think it's a matter of cost. So or
yeah, >> we we can change that. So I think the
front I mean it's going to be glass. Yeah. The stairs are glass right now at
the ends. Glass is very expensive. >> It's also hard to heat.
» So um it's a matter of how much more cost do we want to add?
» Well, you might get more. I mean I I would encourage PPG to be creative
» exactly >> within the cost range that they
» it does architectural very good. >> Yeah.
» So and and I think they're quite creat the the entryway is a fourtory entryway
going up. >> It may not be
in fact I pretty much envision a fourtory entry going up to have that
separation. We've got to have a separation somehow between the students
and the faculty, which means you need that central area going up. The center
may not be the center as we shift the number of studio and one bedroom
» and then glass on the end with the staircase the way it is now. So, you've
got three areas of glass. >> Did did um Mr. Can we give you any idea
about how many adjunct faculty he's to say? I can't believe
there's that many >> there can't be that many like 15
» well agile 100 I mean maybe 40 >> we are talking staff as well
» it's not just >> in the same bucket
» but the staff would be living there more >> okay but and they can
admin workers it could be cafeteria landscape
any of them >> they're there for the most part they're
there all the time but the adjun people they they do have more agile jump. Then
they have full-time professors, but there aren't that many.
» But he really honed in on that. He honed in that he felt that was the greatest
need and it was recruiting problem for them not to have housing, you know, of
any kind. >> I do remember that he needed housing for
his faculty. >> You know, you should ask him how many
adjuncts he has now. >> So, are are you going to meet with him
again? Is that your plan? >> I asked for it. I sent him an email, but
he's out of the country in Jamaica and so I haven't shut him down today. Yeah,
we're going to meet as soon as he's available.
» Well, we'll get more answers. I mean, this is the beginning. Great start.
» Yeah, you did a terrific job. >> A lot of work.
» And we do have the drawings. I mean, I have the drawings. They're on my kitchen
table right now. >> Oh my gosh.
» And all the layouts. >> Why did you bring them?
» Thank you. Well, we don't have time.