[0:01] ready to kick this off.
[0:19] » Okay. So, I'm going to call this to
order and the first item is the report
[0:24] out of the close session.
>> Thank you, Member Collins. The council
[0:29] did meet in close session on two items.
There was no public comment in advance
[0:32] of going into close session on the first
item. The council gave direction to
[0:37] staff to defend the town and there's no
refer action.
[0:50] » Thanks
[0:54] Lewis.
>> I'm here. Council member Wood Whitmer
[0:59] » here.
>> Council Lane
[1:02] » here.
>> Vice Mayor Deolia.
[1:03] » Yep.
>> Mayor Holland
[1:05] » here.
>> All president accounted for.
[1:08] » Okay. And then are there any public
comments
[1:13] that How are we going to public comment
though? There's only one item on the
[1:18] » for 30 seconds. Just public comment for
items that are off.
[1:21] » Okay. And then we'll call public comment
for the item. Okay. Does anyone
[1:27] have public comments for items on the
internet online?
[1:31] » No one online has indicated they have
comment.
[1:34] » Okay, then
it off.
[1:40] Good evening, council members, Britney
Bendex, town planner. Thank you for
[1:44] having me tonight. I'm here to give an
update on our efforts for facilitating
[1:49] onampus housing as part of our housing
enrollment programs. uh you may neighbor
[1:54] call that we met on September 3rd uh in
the fall of 2025.
[1:59] Uh at that time I presented kind of
three approaches we've been trying to
[2:04] consider in terms of assisting in this
effort. Uh the first being providing
[2:09] staffing and financial support for
grants and start to seek grants and
[2:13] loans that support housing development.
The second would be how we use staff to
[2:18] help foster uh the lead public
private partnerships uh which we refer
[2:25] to as P3s uh between universities uh the
university and a developer. Uh the third
[2:32] was then facilitating a donor-driven
development by passing
[2:38] a committee of residents uh like
pursuing some advancement of plan
[2:44] development college. Uh so really the
direction from the council at that point
[2:48] was to do some high level grant
evaluations and then also pursue working
[2:56] with outside. So I'm gonna we have a
couple uh different efforts from outside
[3:02] residents. I know one is online
participating virtually and uh Miss
[3:10] Flity here Carol 30 she can address what
her efforts have been just to give a
[3:16] brief summary of the grant research that
we've done. Um, we actually were given
[3:22] the name of a company, California
Consulting, which is a firm that
[3:26] specializes in grant writing by council
member Whitmer, who met them, I believe,
[3:31] at the uh, League of Cities.
>> Yeah, League of Cities. I went to their
[3:36] presentation and talked to them about
what we were trying to do, and they said
[3:39] they had experience in that and etc. So,
>> so they had a list of 15 common grant
[3:46] applications for campus housing that we
were able to look at. Uh, generally
[3:51] speaking, I think some of the barriers
are uh the alignment between whatever
[3:56] the programming is for the college and
the building that they want to see
[4:01] produced and then also the timing of any
sort of financial rewards that could be
[4:07] provided through the grant. So they're
not there there are things that are out
[4:12] there but they need to be tailored to a
specific program that the building would
[4:18] provide as part of so we could further
discuss those opportunities. Uh but I'm
[4:27] going to go ahead and turn it over to
ML.
[4:31] Thank you. Well, happy new year.
>> Happy new year.
[4:35] » Welcome back.
>> Yes.
[4:38] I realize that um I have not kept you
all up to date by design on what our
[4:45] activities are at Menllo College and
part of it is that I am very hesitant
[4:50] because the Brown Act to engage with you
all to be honest with you after my
[4:53] little experience last year. So I've
just kept things under quite rapid key.
[4:59] But tonight I'm gonna open the kabala
and share it all. So I put together two
[5:03] pages for you of where we are right now.
Who is we?
[5:08] The African housing coalition did commit
to you all that we would come up with a
[5:13] rough set of plans for Memo College and
that could be used for fundraising. This
[5:18] is not a set that would be submitted to
the building department for approval.
[5:24] But it turns out that it's a little
harder to do a rough set of plans than
[5:28] one might think. If all we were going to
do is just go ahead and draw rooms on a
[5:33] piece of paper, that's easy. What's not
so easy is the mechanical. If you don't
[5:38] know the mechanical, then you really
can't do the plans. So, I have been
[5:42] spending a lot of time on the mechanical
um plans
[5:49] to put to incorporate. Um so, where do
we stand? the housing coalition
[5:55] primarily Jeff Morris and myself have
met three times with the college
[6:00] president and the dean and the
development head one time they've been
[6:05] really constructive meetings where they
have shared with us the vision for the
[6:10] college what they think their problems
are and where they want to take it where
[6:16] they want to take it is graduate
programs
[6:20] and so what they shared with us that
they need is graduate housing graduate
[6:25] student housing, not under the graduate.
And they need staff. Staff in in their
[6:31] words is not faculty. It is the
cafeteria workers, the landscapers, you
[6:37] know, um the cleaning team, people like
that
[6:40] and adjunct faculty.
So, they shared with us that most of
[6:46] their
full-time faculty, they already have
[6:50] houses. They rent them. They own them.
there's no need there but they have a
[6:55] lot of adjun faculty that come to the
campus two or three days a week and they
[7:01] need housing for them so that's our
focus is graduate students and a faculty
[7:08] and campus staff okay so um I had two
campus tours that were very very uh
[7:16] insightful and interesting with the
facility head and I went to the Ariyaga
[7:21] John Ariaga residence
And I was quite surprised at what I saw.
[7:29] Um, it is very very small
one
[7:34] room units,
no built-in closet,
[7:39] shared bathrooms,
very large ones on a hall,
[7:46] no ADA compliance, and they don't care
about that.
[7:51] um a lot of not a lot but several large
study rooms on each floor and meeting
[7:58] rooms plus a security office and they
don't like the heating system they
[8:05] currently have which fits to the
outside. They'd like to see something
[8:09] different on that.
These rooms are really tiny.
[8:15] Really tiny. And I was stunned. There's
no closet. no sink, no amenities.
[8:23] It cost $25 million to build that
facility. It was built um three years
[8:29] ago, four years ago.
You couldn't build it for that today.
[8:34] And I don't think that's what the
college is thinking about for graduate
[8:37] students and actually faculty.
>> Is that undergraduate?
[8:41] » Yeah,
>> it's all undergraduate.
[8:43] » They do have some staff housing that I
did not see.
[8:48] » All right. and it's very limited but
that is all undergraduate and they see a
[8:53] reduction in their undergraduate student
body because it's hard to get visas they
[8:59] have a very large international student
population very hard to get vis visas
[9:04] it's scared off applications and
reduction in federal funding so they do
[9:10] not see undergraduate growth as as being
in the cards they have um I think two
[9:17] graduate programs right now and they
were talking about three more at the
[9:21] time that we met. They see the growth
there.
[9:24] » Um and they would like to they don't
they don't see a big growth overall
[9:29] though that would really just replace
the students they're missing on the
[9:32] undergraduate and to add a little bit
more.
[9:36] I thought they had a good plan um and
they were very very very open with any
[9:41] questions that we asked and ensuring all
of their plans. But if we're looking to
[9:45] the Ariyaga Center as being a guide for
our multif family housing, it's not.
[9:50] It's not there.
>> I never thought it would. It would. It's
[9:52] just a dorm. The dorm
dorm like I had in college.
[9:57] » Well, you went to an exclusive college,
Carol. I mean, honest
[10:04] dorm does not count for the towns.
>> No, it doesn't. So, this is a graduate
[10:09] student housing
>> and and
[10:14] that the apartment building would have
to have
[10:17] » amenities like
>> and that's what we're planning
[10:21] » bathrooms, kitchen, closets in order for
them to,
[10:25] » you know,
>> so it's a lot more of that.
[10:29] » Yeah.
>> Um, so something interesting happened
[10:31] though in December.
>> Uh, my husband and I decided to buy an
[10:36] apartment building. ah
>> which we did 40 minutes. It happens to
[10:40] be on the high end luxury and in Belmont
and so I have spent a lot of time up
[10:46] there with the facilities head
understanding the mechanical of that
[10:50] building because it is 40 units and it I
think it's very similar to what this
[10:57] multif family would become.
And so I I took a look at the mechanical
[11:02] of Aria. I took a look at what we're
buying. The same time we bought that, I
[11:06] studied three other apartment buildings
that we were
[11:10] interested in investing in in Berling.
And again, the the apartments didn't
[11:16] interest me nearly as much as the
mechanical because when you buy
[11:18] something, you have to maintain it. And
that's usually where you have the
[11:22] problem is on the maintenance. So, with
all of that, I went back and kind of
[11:27] revisited my initial thinking on it. And
then we had one site visit that four
[11:33] members of the housing coalition, all of
which were commercial did and the
[11:38] college doesn't know about this yet
because the development head wanted to
[11:44] be involved in that meeting and um there
was objection to that. So
[11:51] » objection from the president,
>> objection from the four members of the
[11:55] housing coalition, one in particular.
And so um they went up there and studied
[12:00] the three locations the college gave to
us. College gave us three locations. So
[12:05] in the second bullet here, site
locations. The president was very
[12:10] interested in building a structure as
you go into the front entry in the right
[12:16] parking lot. And he wanted a threestory
building that would have parking not
[12:24] only for the residents of the building,
but visitor parking and a lot more than
[12:29] we ever contemplated.
A massive parking garage.
[12:35] Um then there was a parking lot that's
uh right across from the admin building
[12:41] and they also recommend it's very small.
It will not work. It's so small that we
[12:46] would have to tear down the new athletic
center that they have just finished
[12:52] which of course we're not going to do.
And so that leaves one other property.
[12:56] It's called the O'Brien lot and it is
the one that's at the corner of
[13:00] Alejandro and Valparza.
And the the four um commercial builders
[13:06] from the housing coalition when they
looked at three sites also felt that was
[13:10] the most likely and a fourstory building
instead of three because town approved
[13:15] that it's a lot cheaper to build four
stories than wider three stories.
[13:21] So that is
>> why why would they limit the building in
[13:27] the lot to the right of the entry to
three stories?
[13:31] » They felt that the residents of Atheton
would be more receptive to a three-story
[13:35] building and they moved to a four.
>> That we zoned it for four, right?
[13:41] » You you
>> you approved four.
[13:43] » I think we zoned it for four.
>> You did zone it for four. And as I look
[13:47] at the property, there's a lot of trees
in there. Yeah. That would really shield
[13:51] it. I don't see a problem in fourtory
buildings.
[13:54] » It's across from the sports sports, you
know.
[13:57] » Wait a minute. Are you talking about the
Alejandra? Okay.
[14:00] » See, you guys are talking about two
different locations.
[14:03] » We are the the So, what's point number
one?
[14:08] » We pull up the map.
>> The parking lot to the right of the
[14:10] entry.
[14:18] That's what that's what the president
>> That's what the president
[14:24] also have a much larger parking me.
[14:37] » No, she's working.
>> Okay.
[14:40] » But I have to join the Zoom.
We're waiting for Savannah White some
[14:47] gesturing on a map. We're all
[14:52] so
[14:55] » you didn't answer my question.
>> My question was why are they focused on
[15:01] limiting any building? I understand they
want lots of parking, but any building
[15:07] to the right of the entry to three
stories versus
[15:10] » it's any building period.
>> The president suggested that a
[15:14] threestory building he felt would be
more acceptable to residents.
[15:21] » Well, but I don't think that's really an
issue. But he he was trying to be
[15:26] sensitive.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[15:29] » So, which side of the entries is the
threetory building that the president
[15:34] wanted to have? Is it on the right hand
side of budding up to the El Camino or
[15:39] is it on the left hand side which is the
open space that's going up against
[15:44] Victoria Mana?
>> Okay, let's take let's look at the map
[15:47] and point.
>> No, it's not the right. So, when you go
[15:50] into Menllo College, right,
>> you have the whole Zig parking area to
[15:54] the right,
>> right?
[15:55] » That's where it would be. Oh, in that
parking lot.
[15:57] » In that parking lot. So, that parking
lot would be gone.
[15:59] » Okay. Got it. Right. Thank you.
>> And then this new building would be
[16:02] there with a much bigger parking area
than just the footprint of the building.
[16:08] » Got it. Thank you.
>> So, that's what he wanted, but you guys
[16:10] are suggesting the parking lot off of
>> Alejandra. And so, Alejandra, which
[16:16] makes so much sense.
>> That's what we originally said we were.
[16:20] » Exactly. Yeah. And so a fourstory
building
[16:27] » and it's got a lot of trees in there.
It's across from the middle school
[16:33] sports area.
>> This is the Alejandra O'Brien lot.
[16:37] » Yeah. Well, I guess it but it's El
Camino Alejandra. Okay.
[16:39] » Yeah, that's the O'Brien.
>> And you have
[16:43] And then the other place is the entry
right here. Yeah. To the right. And uh
[16:48] to the right was this little parking lot
>> further over
[16:52] » like there.
>> Right here.
[16:54] » Right there.
>> Can't see it. You're blocking.
[16:57] » Well, it's right I think what we zoned
for four is right there.
[17:02] » Yeah, that's what we talked about.
>> It's the parking lot. We did.
[17:06] » No, it's it's just past the parking lot.
There's there's a couple bungalows in
[17:13] there. barracks that we did not from
World War II.
[17:17] » Yeah. Right. Well, the issue the issue
with the Alejandra one is
[17:23] we need the light there and there
there's already a light on the other
[17:27] location,
>> but we talked about putting
[17:29] » there's not a there's a light at the
end.
[17:32] » I think that's a separate issue. I don't
know if it needs a light or not. Okay.
[17:36] » Well, there's a another reason that it
makes sense to have Alejandra because
[17:40] the Ariyaga residence hall
>> which has some amenities in it that
[17:45] could be used by grad students is not
that far. It's just across the parking
[17:49] lot right
>> on the other side. It's very close
[17:53] » to and so you'd have all your housing
kind of in that area.
[17:59] » So that's that's the discussion. It
really doesn't matter to the building
[18:04] that that we're designing which parking
lot it goes on. It'll fit either one.
[18:10] The only one it will not work on is the
small one that we have to tear down the
[18:16] uh f phys.
Ridiculous.
[18:19] » That makes no sense.
>> No, we're not doing that.
[18:20] » And we didn't we did not differentiate
our zoning within me college, right?
[18:25] Like
>> is that right, Britney? I'm trying to
[18:30] bring up the zoning, but
>> I'm not sure that that's right.
[18:34] » Yeah,
>> we have two. We have both a RM20 and an
[18:38] RM40 site on
>> we did different
[18:47] we did the RM40 near the administration
building. That's right.
[18:51] » And the RM20 on the O'Brien lot. I'm
pretty sure.
[18:55] » Well, there was RM20s for Menllo College
that were right off of Al Verizon
[19:00] » in their parking lot and then there was
the RM.
[19:03] » You mean MEO school?
>> Menlo school. And then the college we
[19:07] talked about that area with that parking
lot that's on Alejandra.
[19:12] » Well, I think we zoned more than one
site for multifamily at Menllo College.
[19:18] One for RM20 and one for RM40.
>> I don't happen to have one.
[19:26] I'm just curious enough.
>> Yeah,
[19:32] » that would not be hard to do.
>> I know. I'm just you know,
[19:35] » but we just want to build
>> parks which you know
[19:38] » why build two and you can build.
>> So, you know, again, for our purposes
[19:42] getting the plants, it'll work on
either.
[19:44] » Okay.
>> Doesn't matter. And
[19:46] » yeah,
>> you all can decide, you know, where
[19:48] » here is the parking lot in the purple.
Yeah,
[19:52] » that aligns with the boundaries of the
parking lot and that's RM40.
[19:57] » That's 40.
>> Yeah.
[19:59] » Red is the barracks that I mean that's
what we've been calling them the
[20:03] barracks. Uh
>> that is RM20.
[20:07] » Okay.
>> And then this rep represents the parking
[20:10] lot over by the entrance that's right
off of Elino Royale.
[20:14] » Yeah.
>> And that's also the parking lot. It's
[20:16] not the bunker. It's the perfect
>> and I said no.
[20:21] » So So that gives us more flexibility.
>> Yes. And these were drawn with Tom going
[20:28] out and walking the site with president
and reflecting on the letter that they
[20:33] had sent in 2021. So it's it seems like
the sites that you are consistent with
[20:40] generally consistent with what we have
here. But in terms of on that corner
[20:46] lot, that larger corner lot, um going
back and forth between three and four
[20:52] stories, that's exactly where we would
want height
[20:56] » in town. Because across the street is
the um
[21:00] » the field.
>> The field.
[21:01] » Yeah.
>> Right. Right up against El Camino.
[21:04] » Right.
We also, you know, amongst the housing
[21:08] coalition felt like you come in the
entry and you're looking at a big
[21:14] building,
it is not very attractive
[21:18] » to be honest with you. And the building
will look like same finish as the
[21:24] Ariyaga center. We wanted to make it
consistent with that. So the elevations
[21:29] will look the same, right? It should be
one story tall. Aria is three stories.
[21:34] » Is three stories.
>> So,
[21:38] um we talked a little bit about about
the housing needs for the um college.
[21:44] Part of that story is down below one
story and ground dips down
[21:49] » to it, but yeah, it's three. So um the
housing needs
[21:55] they the college viewers this as
being a a very important recruiting to
[22:04] for them in terms of staff students they
have no graduate housing now and then
[22:10] adjunct faculty. Um so they love the
idea but they are very emphatic they
[22:18] have no money for it. Right.
>> And sorry, can I ask a question? Do they
[22:24] like the idea irregardless of which of
those two locations your bullet number
[22:30] one or number three?
>> They do. They're very supportive of of
[22:34] our need for multif family and their
need for multi. Very supportive. Great.
[22:38] » I've heard nothing but enthusiasm from
them and nothing but positive comment
[22:43] and willingness to work with the town.
In fact, they are willing to work with
[22:48] the town on fundraising, right?
>> Because they are going to start a
[22:54] multi-year, theoretically two-year, $100
million fundraising campaign. They have
[23:00] a new fundraising director who is very
um enthusiastic and very willing to work
[23:08] with Athetherton, but I have some
concerns about it as she would like the
[23:13] context.
And I think that Athetherton residents
[23:17] are best approached by Athetherton
residents for this.
[23:22] » Well, we could partner up with some
people.
[23:24] » We can partner and we can we can
certainly have some talk so that we're
[23:28] not approaching the same individuals and
we have to be consistent in the
[23:31] messaging as well and what the plan is
for the college. But um
[23:38] I know of one potential donor that
absolutely does not want to be by any
[23:42] college recruiting person. But but what
what so they're about to launch a
[23:47] hundred million dollar fundraising
campaign and what is the purpose of
[23:52] that?
>> The purpose is um
[23:57] structures and so I I did say are we
double counting this
[24:02] » structure including this housing?
>> I I don't think this housing was
[24:06] included but they did mention that maybe
there could be some sharing of funds.
[24:11] Now, this was just idle talk of the
development head. This was not the
[24:17] president
>> and he's relatively new, isn't he?
[24:20] » She's a Yeah, she's relatively new and
she doesn't work on campus. She works
[24:25] from her home and comes in for meetings.
But I liked her a lot. She's very
[24:29] enthusiastic as one would expect from a
development head and really wants to do
[24:35] the right thing, you know, in joining
the town or or for the college. So um
[24:41] the challenge is how to best use her
enthusiasm.
[24:45] » Yeah.
>> For us. So
[24:49] » Winer's been pretty clear that his
fundraising was to provide scholarships
[24:56] for students.
>> 100 million is an awful big number for
[25:00] scholarships.
>> Well, yeah,
[25:01] » it is. Okay. I I had the impression that
they were going to do some remodeling
[25:07] some of the old
>> Yeah, they have to do that remodeling,
[25:10] » right? Several of their buildings have
been
[25:12] » it was going to go for some remodeling
and then for
[25:15] » Yeah. academic.
>> Yeah. But he, you know, he pretty much
[25:20] previously said that, you know, he
didn't have the money to build
[25:24] something, but he certainly would like
us to help him.
[25:27] » And he is consistent in that remark with
Jeff and me.
[25:31] » Yeah. It's very made very clear. Um,
okay. So, we talked a little bit about
[25:37] Aria and what it has. And I think it's
important to understand besides the room
[25:42] configuration,
it has a cafe, a very nice cafe with a
[25:47] full kitchen where they can make
sandwiches and meals. So, we are not
[25:53] putting a cafe in the new structure. We
don't need to.
[25:58] They have large study areas in there
because the rooms are so small. Well,
[26:03] now we're going to have real apartments
where you have enough room for a desk in
[26:07] it. So, you don't need those big study
rooms.
[26:12] They have a gym over there. They have a
gym next door. We don't need to put a
[26:17] gym in. They have a security office
there and they have no solar over there.
[26:24] That's another thing that we have to put
in because PG&E now does require under
[26:30] net three that you have onsite storage
for your excess energy. So when we built
[26:37] Adam Way E was storing it on the grid.
We did not have to have batteries that
[26:42] will have to be batteries
>> now for this. So I've called Cobalt
[26:47] which is my solar company to say I need
some help from you in designing this.
[26:51] Are we required to put solar on it?
>> You are.
[26:56] » Yep.
>> Solar ready for sure.
[26:58] » Yep.
>> That's different than putting solar
[27:00] panels on it.
>> So that it but is there a state law now
[27:05] that would require solar? I don't know
about it.
[27:10] » Well, I went to chat GPT and I asked
I don't know if the answer is right when
[27:15] it said yes.
>> It's a 5050.
[27:17] » Y. So, I think we need to plan we need
to plan a room big enough for all the
[27:22] batteries. It's gonna be a lot of
batteries.
[27:24] » Where's our
>> But we only have to do the batteries if
[27:26] we do the solar.
>> If you do it right,
[27:29] » and if we don't have to do the solar,
right?
[27:33] » Can I ask a question? In one of the
meetings that the
[27:38] mayor and vice mayor had with Stephen,
one of the things he did mention is that
[27:42] if there were some programmatic space in
this new facility that was dedicated to
[27:49] something of a of a need on campus,
whether it's the sports program or the
[27:54] atrisisk
student program or something like that,
[27:58] he would be willing to identify a donor
that might help fund part of the
[28:02] facility if that facility had a face to
that. Did that come up here?
[28:06] » And his excuse me, let me just add on
his vision of that would be on the
[28:11] ground floor so that there would not be
apartments on the ground floor. It'd be
[28:15] more of a public space uh for this other
uh type of a use. No, he did not mention
[28:22] that and I actually brought it up and
didn't get an answer about, you know,
[28:25] programs and the programs that he was
talking about were were tech programs,
[28:32] » you know, for graduate students where he
would marry, you know, a an academic
[28:37] program with a corporate need in the
valley.
[28:40] » That was more the vision that he
articulated. He never brought up any
[28:45] other programs.
>> Wow. So in in our plan right now it is
[28:49] strictly house but there are some
meeting rooms that I think are important
[28:53] to put in.
>> So we have some of those but no cafe
[28:57] security office no security office and
um
[29:01] » no shared bathrooms
none of that stuff this time.
[29:06] » So what are we planning second
>> are you going to go into the floor plan
[29:10] the the size of the units now? Is that
what you have
[29:13] » I'm sorry.
>> Are you going to talk about the size of
[29:15] the units right now? right now that's
dangerous. I'm going to the units.
[29:19] » So the plan had I think 42 units and we
are designing 60 because mathematically
[29:27] it works better and quite frankly I
think we're going to need more units.
[29:31] They would love to have a design for
100.
[29:35] They mentioned that it's not what we're
doing.
[29:38] » No.
>> That's not
[29:39] » Wait. They they would like to see the
design have 100 living units. love to
[29:44] have uh both well I got an email from
the development head after the meetings
[29:50] with the president saying that she had
talked to the president and that they
[29:56] were very desirous of having as many as
100 units
[30:00] » they can pay
>> I don't think that we're planning
[30:03] fundraising for 100
>> would all the residents be associated
[30:09] with college in some format that's what
their requirement all would All the
[30:14] would all the residents be associated?
>> Absolutely.
[30:16] » Yes.
>> They don't want outside campus because I
[30:20] do want
>> I have the layouts for a studio
[30:24] apartment and a one-bedroom apartment.
I'm not planning any two bedroom. And
[30:29] the reason for that is that I think when
you get to two bedroomedroom,
[30:34] we tend to have families with children.
>> I really don't see children on that
[30:39] campus. Just a playground. we know
amenities for it. We're on a busy
[30:44] street. I just don't see it. And I
haven't shared that with anybody else,
[30:50] but
>> and then if you go to two bedrooms,
[30:54] sometimes have to have two baths. It's
just a whole different animal. It
[30:57] doesn't align well as you're building
the structure. So, Carol, I think you're
[31:02] absolutely right in that assessment
because you know the new uh town homes
[31:06] along El Camino at Middle Plaza that
Stanford built for they only have
[31:11] studios and one bedrooms. They do not
have any two bedrooms units in that
[31:16] whole massive structure there because
there exactly right
[31:21] » that reason then they get all the the
grandmothers and the mothers and the
[31:26] » Exactly. And and it's a whole different
animal. So this really is focused on
[31:32] graduate students
staff. They may be married but they
[31:36] don't bring you know their children they
don't have children or it could be two
[31:41] staff living in one you know unit as
well with one bedroom I don't know and
[31:47] you know the adjun faculty
>> that will be coming in
[31:50] » and staying three days a week is what we
were told.
[31:52] » So would that be on a rotating basis
almost like a hotel the adjunct? No, I
[31:57] mean they would have to rent and you
know because these do have to be leased.
[32:02] » So whether they're there two days a week
or five days a week is irrelevant.
[32:05] » It's irrelevant to us. They they'll be
leasing it
[32:08] » because they're they're going to we have
to build it and they're going to they'll
[32:12] figure out how to manage
>> the rental.
[32:15] » They lease their staff housing right
now. They have some staff housing for no
[32:21] more than $2500
a month.
[32:24] » Yes. whether it's one or two bedroom.
>> Well, that qualifies as affordable.
[32:28] » Yeah.
>> When you're building a building like
[32:32] this, it doesn't cover the cost.
>> Some of their staff some of their staff
[32:37] and and their their coaches and things
like that.
[32:42] They have families that live there now.
they can move them and to move people
[32:46] out of the barracks and put them in the
barracks or move them from where they
[32:51] are because they have some apartment
buildings in some of the dorms already
[32:55] but they do have families living there.
Carol and it's not just one or two
[33:02] » there a lot
unless we're told to change it's not
[33:06] staff it's faculty and coaches.
>> So how big is a studio apartment? about
[33:12] 465 square feet.
>> How big is a onebedroom? 650 to 700
[33:18] square f feet.
>> So why why so small on the one bedroom?
[33:22] » So we can get more in.
>> Yeah.
[33:25] » Right. And I went out and I looked to
buy
[33:28] » I looked at Menllo Park and an average
size for a one-bedroom and a studio. And
[33:36] the one bedrooms were a little bit
larger than this.
[33:38] » Right. That's what I thought. But I
looked at the average for the state.
[33:41] It's lower than this.
>> Yeah. I that hasn't surprised me. It
[33:45] just seems
>> right.
[33:46] » I'm also looking at from the standpoint
of what kind of housing stock do we want
[33:49] in the town in general and whether or
not
[33:52] » you know it let's
>> Right.
[33:55] » I'm looking at it in terms of cost as
well. I think the one bedroom is
[34:00] probably going to be about 700. Yeah. By
the time we're done the studio maybe
[34:04] about 500. This this is the range it's
in right now. Well, there's just going
[34:08] to be residents that are here for two
years. It's not housing stock for
[34:12] residents. It's
>> it's somebody who's come from somewhere
[34:15] else and they're
>> going to be here for two years. They can
[34:18] graduate and they're going to go away.
>> It's not it's not residential housing
[34:24] per se.
>> Yeah. One thing that the college was
[34:28] very clear on is the faculty
do not want to be colllocated same
[34:37] floors
same general living area as students
[34:42] even graduate
>> they want some separation.
[34:46] » Yeah. So, one could say, well, should we
build an L-shaped building where part of
[34:50] it is faculty and part of it is, you
know, student, but then you're building
[34:54] two buildings a lot more expensive.
>> Well, would floor separation work or
[35:00] they want separation.
>> We came up with no they didn't say how
[35:04] to design it. They just said they don't
want to all be mixed together.
[35:10] So, what I came up with is a large
entry. you have an elevator, which they
[35:16] currently have, straight across the
entry.
[35:19] If you go one way, you're going to be
faculty housing. If you go the other
[35:24] way, you're going to be student housing.
At the end of both buildings, there's a
[35:29] staircase, which is the way it is right
now in Araga. There's a staircase at the
[35:34] ends. So, if you don't want to use the
entry, if you're on a lower floor, use a
[35:39] staircase. You'll never see the other.
How much are you gonna have if you're if
[35:44] you only have a shared entry? Not a lot.
>> The faculty the faculty are going to be
[35:49] longer term in terms of their tenure in
the area.
[35:52] » I don't know how long faculty stay
there.
[35:55] » Did they tell you how many faculty me
>> rooms they need because they don't need
[36:00] that many. This is not their permanent
house.
[36:03] » They have a house someplace else, but
they travel.
[36:05] » Oh, it's a it's a landing spot,
>> right? It's a landing spot. So they and
[36:09] that they said they don't need it for
regular faculty housing that permanent
[36:15] full-time faculty already own or rent a
house someplace else or an apartment.
[36:20] » All right.
>> They need it for the adjunk members that
[36:23] come to town three days a week.
>> Did you raise the idea of the separate
[36:27] wings with the common entry?
>> I have not talked to him about this yet.
[36:34] » Okay. So, I had hoped to meet with the
president this week and go over the, you
[36:38] know, three plans, which, you know, I
have them scribbled on paper, but I need
[36:42] to put him on drafting paper tomorrow.
And he's out of the country. I'll be
[36:46] back, I hope, next week. I've asked for
a meeting next Friday to go over with
[36:50] him and show him the actual plans. And
of course, I'm sure there's going to be
[36:54] um revisions after that. He'll have
ideas that we need to incorporate. And
[36:59] then I have talked to PPG about doing
the final CAD drawings. They agreed. So
[37:05] Jeff talked to one person who had PPG
and I talked to another. Both principles
[37:09] and both said yes, they would do it and
and they were they were fine. They were
[37:13] happy to do it. There's no issue about
that.
[37:16] » You might want to think about a larger
size. You might want to think about a
[37:19] larger size for the agent faculty in
terms
[37:22] » and they will so the graduate student
will be the studio,
[37:25] » right?
>> The a faculty will be the one bedroom.
[37:28] » Okay. Got it. All right. So, um, again,
no gym, no cafe, sub meeting rooms, no
[37:34] shared baths. Every every bath, all
electric, because I know that's what you
[37:40] all would like. And it's the county. So,
right now, they do have some gas in
[37:46] Orya, but there's no no gas here. And I
did talk to my HVAC company this morning
[37:51] that went to a supply house today to
talk to them about what um all electric
[37:58] with air conditioning. They have no air
conditioning in Ariata that they come
[38:02] nowadays with heat pump, air
conditioning, and electric all in one
[38:06] unit. So we'll have to have a utility
closet that will have a hot water pump
[38:12] and you know the the HVAC in there.
There'll probably be three or four large
[38:18] units on the roof as well to
accommodate. We'll have separate
[38:23] metering for the electric
water as in most apartments will be
[38:29] common shared. We have a separate meter
for water and they'll
[38:33] » separate meter per
[38:38] » we'll have separate for electric.
>> Right.
[38:40] » Solar I have called cobalt to say we
need your help on design. Let's figure
[38:45] out how many batteries we're going to
have to have here and resign the room
[38:48] for it and how the wire
>> Well, why don't we double check with our
[38:51] building official?
>> Yeah, let's first make sure it's
[38:53] required.
>> I don't trust chat GP or
[38:57] » I do think um George, I think you're
right about ready,
[39:01] » but what does ready mean? Ready means
you have to have a room. Ready may mean
[39:05] you have to have wiring in there.
>> Conduit.
[39:09] » Well, wiring conduit.
>> You have to have wiring. I don't know
[39:12] about it.
>> All you're doing is you're not putting
[39:14] the panel the batteries in the panels on
the roof and the batteries.
[39:19] » No, you don't put the wires.
>> You don't put the wires in the conduit.
[39:23] You just have to have the batteries.
>> You have to have the batteries
[39:26] installed.
>> Halfway.
[39:30] Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, like for example, this
[39:32] building was solar ready. We had areas
for the panels and the inverters.
[39:40] We didn't have to have batteries for
here. And then there were conduits and
[39:46] pathways going up to the roof to allow
for that future installation.
[39:51] » But you didn't wire. You just had the
cond.
[39:53] » Yeah. So the solar installer,
>> right,
[39:56] » would install the stansions and the
panels, wire it down into the the room
[40:03] like you said.
>> Well, I'm gonna Yeah.
[40:05] » And put in the inverters and
>> Yeah. We'll have to have the room ready,
[40:08] you know, for the for the batteries. So,
I' I've asked Cobalt to I'll just ask
[40:13] them tell me what in their mind it would
take to be solar ready on this.
[40:17] » Carol, we have hard stop at six is
>> hard. Okay, we're almost done.
[40:21] » Room from us. So,
>> why we haven't had public?
[40:25] » Why no ADA?
>> We have public comment
[40:28] » because they said they didn't need it,
but I don't believe that.
[40:31] » Yeah, I don't think.
>> So, I think we're going to have to have
[40:33] a certain number of KDA compliant units.
>> All right. So, what's the studio unit
[40:37] going to have? It's going to have a
cooktop, a microwave, a secondary
[40:40] disposal. I hadn't planned on a
dishwasher, but we can put one in.
[40:44] There'll be a utility closet for the
furnace, and there'll be a hot water
[40:48] heater, a bath with a shower, no
bathtub, and they'll have a built-in
[40:52] closet.
Um, for one bedroom, they will have a
[40:56] galley kitchen, a small washer and dryer
in there. They'll have a bath with
[41:02] shower. They'll have full HVAC, hot
water heater, and then a bedroom with a
[41:07] closet as well. So, larger. Um, what are
we working on now? You talked about a
[41:12] little bit. I'm working on the
mechanical plan, the solar design, the
[41:15] elevator bid, and a rough budget. But I
have to have the mechanical before I get
[41:19] the rough budget done. So the next plan
is to meet with the college uh on next
[41:25] Friday, show them what we have uh ask
for their input and they get once we get
[41:30] consensus with the college get the cash
drawings from PPG.
[41:35] And just to reiterate, the housing
coalition will not engage in
[41:39] fundraising. We leave that up to you all
to decide what to do. And as I
[41:43] mentioned, the college is willing to
join in that. And that's the update.
[41:50] Do you guys want to
>> I have a quick comment.
[41:53] » Wait, before we get to comments, let's
take a public comment.
[41:55] » Go ahead. No problem.
>> And so that we can cross that out there
[41:59] public.
[42:03] » Okay, great. Now,
>> so I think a couple things. One, we have
[42:10] to check about the solar because I'm not
sure it's required. And number two, I'm
[42:16] not sure that you need to include washer
dryers in each of those units. I've
[42:22] looked at affordable housing that's been
built recently, which didn't have
[42:27] washerd dryers, and we could have, you
know, a common space where there's a
[42:32] washerdryer. It's not as desirable, but
I'm not sure how undesirable that is. I
[42:37] don't know that that's a deal go.
>> So, I have them in my new apartment
[42:42] building. they are really tiny. But for
somebody who's there three days a week
[42:47] and she wants to do, you know, minimal
laundry, it's a convenience for them.
[42:53] Um, I thought I would design in the
closet, you know, where they could go in
[42:57] and the plumbing.
>> But there's obviously an additional cost
[43:00] if you're having to not not just the
hookup, but if you're having to provide
[43:04] a
>> certainly is not going to be on the
[43:07] graduate student side. There will be
shared laundry over there as they have
[43:12] right now. They have a big laundry room.
Um
[43:17] » I would think you could do that for
adjunct
[43:20] » staff also.
>> They're somewhere else four days a week
[43:25] » all over.
[43:28] So, so
Britney, in terms of direction that you
[43:34] guys need from us, do you have anything
specifically that we need to give you
[43:39] direction on for this or is this us
receiving and then you're going to come
[43:42] back in March
and that
[43:45] » specific to the uh the resident effort?
I think Carol is on the receiving end of
[43:52] the direction here. She's aware that my
suggestion is that we provide you an
[43:57] update in the context of the 2025 annual
progress reported in March. Um, George,
[44:05] do you think we need any direction on
grant efforts or should we wait and tell
[44:08] them? We're going to continue with the
grant conversations we're having with
[44:12] California consulting and other vendors.
But there was also a conversation during
[44:16] one-on-one uh with members of council
about the possibility that the council
[44:20] authorized staff as we're talking about
this uh potential partnership with the
[44:26] college to
use town funds to work with a grant
[44:31] provider to seek out and apply for
grants on their with them
[44:34] collaboratively. But we can do that at a
future meeting. Not necessarily today,
[44:38] but if the council's supportive with
that idea, some provide some feedback on
[44:42] » depend upon.
[44:46] » Yeah, we depend on the cost. We have to
get a proposal holding that sort of
[44:49] thing.
>> So, we're going to present three plans
[44:52] to the president next Friday if we get
the meeting. One's a 50/50 split. Half
[44:56] grad student, half adjunk faculty. The
other is a 6040. We have 60% grad 40%
[45:03] faculty and staff. and then 2060
depending on what their need is and they
[45:08] just have to give us direction
afterwards,
[45:11] » right?
>> Uh so title 24 requires PV, but there
[45:16] are exceptions that you don't have to
apply it, but you have to go read title
[45:20] 24
>> Britney was indicating it was based
[45:24] somewhat on height of the building
from
[45:29] the difference. So but that it's not
just solar panels. It might be
[45:33] construction type building
classification. So there are some
[45:37] decisions embedded in that type choice.
>> Yeah,
[45:40] » I would be interested in learning more
about that.
[45:43] » Wait, so so is it required with three
stories or with four stories?
[45:48] » They have a different set of
requirements once you're above three
[45:51] stories
>> and that set of requirements is
[45:56] requires less or more solar.
>> More.
[45:59] » More. Yeah, I would say the taller the
building, the more required.
[46:05] » Yeah, if you if you don't put solar
panels up there, you have to be solar
[46:08] ready as as Robert had indicated. But
the exception that I'm reading here says
[46:14] it's based on the roof size. If it's
less than 80 square feet, then you don't
[46:19] have to put solar.
>> Well, that's something
[46:23] » 80 square feet. That's 8 by 10, right?
>> Yeah.
[46:28] Is that wrong? That's what it says. It
doesn't mean it.
[46:33] » Well, you haven't yet modeled
>> the I mean I I know you you gave the
[46:39] size of the unit sort of general
perspective on it, but you haven't
[46:42] modeled that in the specific structure.
Is that
[46:46] » Oh, you have.
>> Right.
[46:48] » And you come out at these numbers.
>> So, it's a Yeah. Um, so it's about
[46:53] 10,000 square feet for the bottom level.
And I've even come over the parking lot.
[46:57] So, what do I have? I've got the the
unit layouts. I have the floor layouts.
[47:03] I have dummy space for the mechanical
rooms right now in the electrical that
[47:08] I'm trying to finalize.
Um,
[47:12] we do not have a survey because the
college should not have one and we're
[47:16] not planning to do a survey. They didn't
want to pay for it and we don't want to
[47:19] pay for it. I don't think it's
necessary.
[47:22] » Not at this
[47:25] site. Now they have surveys of the
entire college but they are really
[47:31] really
>> not useful for this. We're not planning
[47:35] a survey. So we're planning to have
roughly five pages.
[47:39] » You know you will not have three plans
for the fundraiser. You'll have the one
[47:43] the college decides on. It gives us the
guidance but I have them all drawn. I
[47:48] don't have them in a pretty beautiful
format to show Stephen Weiner and that's
[47:54] Friday. So, I've got to put it on big
drafting paper and then I will give the
[47:59] drawings to PPG to do the final CAD.
They've agreed to that. And so, we will
[48:04] turn over to you all a set of drawings
with exterior elevation, what it looks
[48:12] like, interior layout, the apartments, a
list of what's in the apartments, you
[48:20] know, what we are funding, and a site
plan.
[48:25] to use for fundraising.
>> That's the idea. Roughly five pages.
[48:31] » And you're you're doing the
architectural rendering for the
[48:34] exterior. The skins are
>> so I'm not doing that. I'm doing the
[48:38] interior layouts and all but I have all
the photographs from Aria and I have
[48:44] their building plans. Well, CPG can do
the
[48:48] » I'm hope so because so I'm giving
personally I think the Aria building is
[48:55] not very attractive.
>> Yeah, it's not good at all.
[48:57] » I'm just saying. Okay.
>> I didn't vote for it.
[49:01] » I don't know why we have to be married
to it. And when they did it, they
[49:07] slotted it in
>> between these other three
[49:13] » buildings. And it has Yeah. So I
>> I think it's a matter of cost. So or
[49:20] yeah,
>> we we can change that. So I think the
[49:24] front I mean it's going to be glass.
Yeah. The stairs are glass right now at
[49:29] the ends. Glass is very expensive.
>> It's also hard to heat.
[49:37] » So um it's a matter of how much more
cost do we want to add?
[49:40] » Well, you might get more. I mean I I
would encourage PPG to be creative
[49:46] » exactly
>> within the cost range that they
[49:49] » it does architectural very good.
>> Yeah.
[49:54] » So and and I think they're quite creat
the the entryway is a fourtory entryway
[50:00] going up.
>> It may not be
[50:03] in fact I pretty much envision a
fourtory entry going up to have that
[50:07] separation. We've got to have a
separation somehow between the students
[50:12] and the faculty, which means you need
that central area going up. The center
[50:18] may not be the center as we shift the
number of studio and one bedroom
[50:24] » and then glass on the end with the
staircase the way it is now. So, you've
[50:28] got three areas of glass.
>> Did did um Mr. Can we give you any idea
[50:35] about how many adjunct
faculty he's to say? I can't believe
[50:41] there's that many
>> there can't be that many like 15
[50:45] » well agile 100 I mean maybe 40
>> we are talking staff as well
[50:51] » it's not just
>> in the same bucket
[50:54] » but the staff would be living there more
>> okay but and they can
[50:59] admin workers it could be cafeteria
landscape
[51:03] any of them
>> they're there for the most part they're
[51:06] there all the time but the adjun people
they they do have more agile jump. Then
[51:10] they have full-time professors, but
there aren't that many.
[51:14] » But he really honed in on that. He honed
in that he felt that was the greatest
[51:19] need and it was recruiting problem for
them not to have housing, you know, of
[51:25] any kind.
>> I do remember that he needed housing for
[51:29] his faculty.
>> You know, you should ask him how many
[51:31] adjuncts he has now.
>> So, are are you going to meet with him
[51:34] again? Is that your plan?
>> I asked for it. I sent him an email, but
[51:37] he's out of the country in Jamaica and
so I haven't shut him down today. Yeah,
[51:42] we're going to meet as soon as he's
available.
[51:45] » Well, we'll get more answers. I mean,
this is the beginning. Great start.
[51:49] » Yeah, you did a terrific job.
>> A lot of work.
[51:56] » And we do have the drawings. I mean, I
have the drawings. They're on my kitchen
[51:59] table right now.
>> Oh my gosh.
[52:00] » And all the layouts.
>> Why did you bring them?
[52:04] » Thank you. Well, we don't have time.