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Madam Clerk, the time is 7:00 p.m. on

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Tuesday, June 23rd, 2026.

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I'd call this council meeting to order.

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But first, the land acknowledgement.

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The town of Aurora acknowledges that the

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Anishinaabe lands on which we live and

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work are the traditional and treaty

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territory of the Chippewas of Georgina

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Island, as well as many other nations

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whose presence here continues to this

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day.

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As the closest First Nation community to

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Aurora, we recognize the special

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relationship the Chippewas have with the

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lands and waters of this territory.

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They are the water protectors and

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environmental stewards of these lands,

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and as a municipality, we join them in

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these responsibilities.

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We further acknowledge that Aurora is

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part of the treaty lands of the

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Mississaugas and Chippewas, recognized

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through Treaty Number 13, as well as the

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Williams Treaties of 1923.

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A shared understanding of the rich

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cultural heritage that has existed for

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centuries, and how our collective past

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brought us to where we are today, will

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help us walk together into a better

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future.

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I please have a motion to approve the

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revised agenda, including delegation

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items 6.3 to 6.6.

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Councillor Gilliland.

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I guess it's Thompson.

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Any questions or comments on the agenda?

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» Mr. Chair.

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» Uh I wanted to um

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request to add a delegate.

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name is Bailey Lester. It's regarding

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animal services incident and a of

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significant public interest.

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» Madam Chair,

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um

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question two is that this would be a 2/3

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council vote.

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» Through you, Mr. Chair. This requires a

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2/3 um

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vote by council and I have something

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prepared for council's consideration. I

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would just recommend that you do this

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separately from the approval of the

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agenda so because it requires 2/3 while

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the approval of the agenda only requires

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a simple majority vote. So, um

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the motion that Council Gallo has

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proposed would be worded something like

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that section 32 A3 and nine of the

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procedure bylaw be waived to permit an

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additional delegation item as 6.

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uh seven or

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6.7 uh relating to uh the

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the matter that um

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the delegates wish to speak to.

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» That seems kind of long and complicated.

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Can I just say that uh is there

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something more simple?

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let me place it on the on the screen for

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you to read.

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» Okay.

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Councilor Gardner, did you have

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something to comment before our our

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weekly uh

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separate edition?

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Sorry, you're on mute.

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» Sorry. Thank you. I I have something to

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comment on the agenda, but I believe

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that uh

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to add somebody to the delegation, we

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need to have a 40 to a procedure bylaw.

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We need to have a 2/3 vote. Is that

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correct, Madam Clerk?

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» Clerk?

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» That's correct.

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» Yes, yes, we do.

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» Complicated for a reason.

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» Okay, so on Counselor Gallo's request,

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so we need a 2/3 majority vote

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at the rules of procedure.

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Sir, could you put that back on uh Madam

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That section 32A

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number three and

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nine of the procedure bylaw be waived to

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permit an additional delegation as item

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that would be Bailey Lester.

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So, call the vote. All those four.

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» Excuse [laughter] me. Excuse me.

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» Yes, Counselor Gardner?

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» Why would we waive the procedural bylaw?

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have a delegation added. I I believe

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there's enough members at the

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on Zoom

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to have that 2/3 vote.

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So, I would ask you do that.

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» We're having the vote right now.

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» To waive the procedure

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the procedure by-law.

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» If I could take a moment to explain

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the delegation does not is not in order

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because it wasn't

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the under our procedure by-law,

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business item on the agenda. So, that's

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why the delegation was not included on

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the agenda. For for council to hear the

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delegation tonight, you have to wave the

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procedure by-law to allow the delegates

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to speak. So, that's why you require um

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waving of the procedure by-law. And

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in the in the in the other case in the

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general normal cases where you didn't um

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wave the procedure by-law, that was

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the [clears throat] clerk's office asked

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to add additional delegates beyond the

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limit of two

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delegations per council meeting. So,

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that doesn't require uh waving of the

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procedure by-law. And all we require is

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a consent from council. This aspect does

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require waving of the procedure by-law

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because the procedure by-law does not

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allow for any delegations outside of the

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matter that is on the agenda.

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» Thank you for that explanation. I

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understand.

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» Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh if you could

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put that back on and uh

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Okay, so the motion

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section 32A

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number three and nine of the procedure

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by-law be waved to permit additional

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delegation as item 6.7

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and that is Bailey Lester.

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All those in favor?

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Any declarations of pecuniary interest?

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» Mr. Mr. Chair, sorry.

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» I did just in terms of the agenda.

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allow me.

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» Thank you, Councillor Gallo.

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» Gallo.

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before we proceed, I'd like to note that

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for the record, I am participating

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virtually in the council chambers this

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While the respect the members

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may choose to attend electronically, I

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do not agree with the interpretation of

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the procedure bylaw that was used to

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move this meeting from town hall to a

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fully virtual format.

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location of meetings and does not

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clearly provide the authority to convert

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a regular council meeting into a fully

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virtual meeting under

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these circumstances. I believe public

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meetings should be accessible and

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transparent as possible, which is why I

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chose to attend the council chambers

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this evening. I appreciate the residents

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who have taken the time to follow

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tonight's proceeding whether online or

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» Thank you, Councillor Gallo. Um,

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comments to, uh,

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Councillor Gallo's comments?

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» Yes, um, and it's what was supplied

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through email, um, that the mayor has

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authorized the decision to move the

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council meeting and audit committee

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meeting to fully virtual with no public

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attendance and that's permitted under

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of the procedure bylaw.

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under Section 20 I 6 of the Procedure

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Bylaw, the clerk prescribes the method

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of the virtual attendance, which is the

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» Thank you, Madam Clerk.

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Okay, I'm going to move on to pecuniary

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interest.

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» Excuse me.

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» Councilor know you you have a pecuniary

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interest?

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» No.

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» Go ahead, Councillor Gillan.

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» Thank you, Council Coun- Thank you,

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our Procedure Bylaw that allows Council

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to hold this Zoom meeting.

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it's actually appears in the Procedure

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Bylaw because of something happened in

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uh, my first term of Council and has

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nothing to do

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with video meetings. And I would also

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right to hold this meeting in the

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Council Chamber and it would be

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respectful to the residents we

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represent, not on Zoom. Thank you.

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» Moving on.

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» Mr. Chair, if I could

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» Yes, go ahead, Councillor

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» I'm sorry to interrupt. Um, I think we

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missed approving the agenda with the

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additional um, delegation request.

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If we could just go back and um, get a

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» Is there a mover and a seconder for the

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agenda revised agenda, please?

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Councillor Gillan.

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Councillor Thompson

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All those in favor?

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That carries.

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Thanks for the reminder, uh

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Madam Clerk.

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Declarations of pecuniary interest

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Seeing none.

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We move on to community presentations.

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Okay, so we have one presentation.

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Sparrow Ayres, youth programmer,

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regarding John West Memorial Leaders of

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Tomorrow Scholarship Award.

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If you can please state your name, and

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be reminded that you have 10 minutes for

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your presentation.

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» So,

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sorry about that. How's Is my voice

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coming through okay?

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» Yep, I can hear you loud and clear.

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» Awesome.

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So, I'm Sparrow Ayres. I am the youth

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programmer for the town of Aurora.

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Good evening, members of council,

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distinguished guests, family members,

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friends, and everyone joining us here

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this evening. It is always a privilege

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to gather and celebrate the incredible

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young people who call Aurora home.

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Over the past year, our community has

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continued to demonstrate what makes

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Aurora such a special place to live,

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work, and grow. Whether through

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community events, volunteer initiatives,

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artistic achievements, athletic

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accomplishments, or acts of service,

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Aurora's youth continue to lead by

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example and remind us that the future of

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our community is in very capable hands.

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Tonight, we have the opportunity to

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recognize two outstanding young leaders

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through the John West Memorial Leaders

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of Tomorrow Scholarship Award.

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This award honors students who have

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demonstrated exceptional leadership,

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service, character, and commitment to

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making life better for others.

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This year's recipients embody the values

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that John West championed throughout his

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life, community service, compassion,

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leadership, and a dedication to helping

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others succeed.

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Through their actions, they have

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strengthened our community and inspired

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those around them.

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It is my honor to share a little bit

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about each of our winners' remarkable

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journeys.

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Our first winner is Catherine Wang.

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Catherine's story is one of inclusion,

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collaboration, and advocacy.

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Throughout her time at Dr. G.W. Williams

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Secondary School, she has consistently

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sought opportunities to bring people

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together and create meaningful

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connections within her school and

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community.

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As student council president, she

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recognized that many student groups

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shared common goals, but often worked

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independently of one another.

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Rather than accepting that as reality,

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she helped foster a culture of

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collaboration, encouraging clubs to

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combine their talents and resources to

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create stronger and more impactful

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initiatives for students.

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Her passion for inclusion extends far

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beyond student government. As co-founder

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of the Asian Students Association,

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Catherine helped create opportunities

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for students to celebrate cultural

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diversity, challenge stereotypes, and

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build greater understanding amongst her

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peers.

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Through educational initiatives and

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community events, she worked to ensure

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that students from every back-

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background felt represented, respected,

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and welcomed.

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One of Catherine's most meaningful

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contributions involved helping create an

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art gallery and workshop program focused

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on raising awareness and acceptance of

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individuals with autism spectrum

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disorder.

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Through art, education, and direct

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engagement with children and their

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families, she helped foster a more

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inclusive environment where everyone

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felt valued and supported.

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Perhaps most importantly, Catherine has

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demonstrated the courage to stand up for

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others, even when doing so is difficult.

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Whether advocating for cultural

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understanding or challenging

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discriminatory behavior, she has so-

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shown that true leadership means using

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your voice to create positive change.

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This fall, Catherine will continue her

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educational journey at my own alma

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mater, McMaster University. Go

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Marauders.

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With her, she brings the values of

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service, inclusion, and leadership that

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have already made such an positive

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impact here in Aurora.

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Catherine, we are incredibly proud of

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everything you've accomplished and

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grateful for the difference you have

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made in our community. Congratulations.

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Our second winner is Alyssa Premiani.

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Alyssa's story is one of compassion,

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resilience, and service to others.

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Throughout her high school years at

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Cardinal Carter High School, Alyssa has

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consistently demonstrated that

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leadership is not defined by titles, but

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by actions.

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Whether supporting younger students,

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mentoring future leaders, or creating

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opportunities for children to thrive,

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she has made helping others the

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foundation of her work.

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Alyssa's commitment to community service

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is deeply personal. Inspired by

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supporting her younger brother through

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leukemia treatment, she transformed a

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difficult family experience into

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opportunities to help others facing

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similar challenges.

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Through her business, Alyssa Nicole

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Designs, she has donated handmade

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gemstone bracelets to pediatric oncology

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patients and youth involved in mental

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health programs, providing comfort,

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encouragement, and hope to young people

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during difficult times.

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She has also volunteered with the Super

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Sophia Project, helping prepare care

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packages for children in hospitals and

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ensuring they feel supported and cared

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for.

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Closer to home, Alyssa has become a

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familiar face within Aurora's recreation

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programs.

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Over the past few years, I have had the

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pleasure of working alongside Alyssa as

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both a volunteer and now a program

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leader with the town.

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She has helped create positive and

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inclusive experiences for children and

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youth through sports, dance, camps, and

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community events.

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Her ability to make participants feel

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welcomed, valued, and confident reflect

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the type of leader our community is

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proud to celebrate.

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What is perhaps most impressive is her

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ability to balance her achievements

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while remaining focused on helping

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others.

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Whether mentoring future leaders,

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supporting children in rec programs, or

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giving back to families facing medical

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challenges, Alyssa consistently uses her

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talents to improve the lives of those

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around her.

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This fall, Alyssa will attend York

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University, where there is no doubt she

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will continue to build upon her passion

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for leadership, entrepreneurship, and

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community service.

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Alyssa, thank you for the kindness,

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determination, and compassion you have

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brought to the Aurora community.

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We are excited to see where your journey

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takes you and look forward to the impact

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you will continue to make in the future.

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To our recipient To our recipients, your

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accomplishments are impressive, but it's

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your character, your commitment to

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others, and your willingness to lead

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through service that truly set you

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apart.

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The Town of Aurora mayor and council are

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incredibly proud of everything you've

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achieved and all that you've contributed

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to our community.

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It is our honor to recognize you as the

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recipients of the 2026 John West

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Memorial Leaders of Tomorrow Scholarship

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Award.

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Congratulations.

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As I said earlier, Aurora's future is

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bright because of young leaders like

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you.

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Wherever life takes you next, know that

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you will always have a home here that is

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proud of your accomplishments and

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excited to celebrate your future

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successes. Congratulations again.

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» Thank you so much to everyone, the Town

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of Aurora and the scholarship community

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for the This is truly an honor and I'm

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incredibly grateful um for the John West

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Memorial Leaders of Tomorrow

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Scholarship, and this award will really

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help me uh pursue my future education.

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And also, um I'm just truly honored and

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grateful for everyone's support. Thank

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you so much.

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» Thank you, Sparrow, and congratulations

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to Alyssa and Catherine.

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Uh Uh, may I have a motion to receive

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the presentation?

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Councilor Reese.

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Councilor Gardner.

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Any questions or comments

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for Adela?

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Councilor Dillon.

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» Thank you. Um, wow, that was very

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inspiring.

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Um, I just had a a very quick question

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and that was about your crystal

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bracelets. Do you have an example with

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you of one right now, what they look

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like?

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Um, I'm sure that these are items that

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really put a cheer on someone's face and

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I'm just really curious about your um,

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talents and if you could share maybe a

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little bit more about these bracelets

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and then maybe where we could buy them

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if we really wanted to uh, purchase

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some.

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» Yes, thank you so much. Actually, I have

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a couple here. Um, show.

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» [laughter]

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» I make a bunch of different types, um,

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depending

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» Nice.

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» Uh,

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different preferences and um,

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I actually uh, was part of the Richmond

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Hill's um,

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I did a bunch of the Hillcrest Mall

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events and also um, the Ribfest and I

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sold them at a lot of different

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community events.

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Um, and I also have uh, also sold online

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on Shopify and on Instagram where I

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share a lot of my designs. Um, and yeah,

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I'm really happy that um, they resonate

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with a lot of people and a lot of a lot

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of like community members and uh, family

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friends, everyone's very supportive and

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it's really been uh, brought a lot of

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like light and um, joy to people's days

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too. So, I'm really grateful for um, all

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the support.

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» Councilor Dillon.

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» Thank you. Perfect. Well, if you could

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let us know what your Instagram handle

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is or your Shopify and or um, I think

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it'd be great and the public can uh,

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definitely you check it out.

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» Yes, my Instagram um handle is

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alyssa.nicole.designs.

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Um and then my Shopify um

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is alyssanicoledesigns. And if you type

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in Shopify, it should come up. And then

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also on Etsy, I've started to um also

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sell there. And it's also just my um

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business name, alyssanicoledesigns.

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» Perfect, that's awesome. And I know that

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we're online and when your name's not

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popping up, we don't all remember.

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» Oh, yes.

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» I'm sure there's different ways to spell

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your name. So, just spell it out once

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and then that way people will remember.

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» It is a l i s s a. And then Nicole, n i

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c o l e. And designs, d e s i g n s.

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» Perfect. Thanks so much.

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Congratulations.

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» Thank you.

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» Yes, Councillor Lee.

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» Yes, thank you. Um

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I really want to thank the coordinator

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for for bringing the names forward to

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us. It was a great presentation tonight.

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And I of course congratulate both uh

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the Catherine and Alyssa. Sorry you

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couldn't be here in person. It's always

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nice to see people who are leaders in

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this community and entrepreneurs like

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00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:27,280
you are. So, uh thanks for all the work

565
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,800
you do and congratulations on your

566
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,800
awards.

567
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,920
» Any Councillor Lee? Any anyone else?

568
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,520
» So, I just want to congratulate again

569
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,360
Alyssa and Catherine

570
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,760
um

571
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:49,400
for

572
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,520
young people like you to have

573
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,240
um

574
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,880
the empathy that you do because the

575
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,560
leadership you don't have effective

576
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,560
leadership unless you have empathy for

577
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,880
those around you. And these days to get

578
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,080
anywhere in life, to get a job or

579
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,280
whatever.

580
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,720
Having a high emotional IQ is is always

581
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,160
up there. And uh for you guys to have it

582
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,040
at this young an age is pretty

583
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,520
extraordinary. So, just want to thank

584
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,120
you and keep it up and

585
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:19,080
uh best wishes in your future endeavors

586
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:19,080
and and school.

587
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,600
Okay, so I'll call the vote. All in

588
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,600
favor?

589
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,440
And that passes.

590
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,560
» Mr. Chair, I'm I'm sorry [clears throat]

591
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,920
to interrupt one more time. We have to

592
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:37,200
do the recorded votes through the

593
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:39,280
eSCRIBE portal. So, um Julia is going to

594
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,120
send out the

595
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,960
uh the votes

596
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:45,000
and present the motion on the screen and

597
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,800
then we'll go we'll do that.

598
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,280
» Thanks for reminding us. So, everyone,

599
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:53,040
if you have your eSCRIBE on

600
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:57,480
uh on your iPad or any other

601
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,480
form, if you could vote through eSCRIBE.

602
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,880
» Awaiting Councillor Gilliland's vote.

603
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,880
» Okay.

604
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,600
Okay, that passes.

605
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:26,280
Thank you again, Sparrow, Alyssa, and

606
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,280
Catherine.

607
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,600
Okay, so we're moving on to delegations.

608
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:35,720
We have six this evening.

609
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:38,960
Delegation 6.1, Corey Jackson,

610
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:42,880
resident regarding item 8.8.2,

611
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:45,640
application for OPA and ZBA on 16003

612
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,920
Yonge Street, 255 and 219 Old Yonge

613
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,320
Street.

614
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,840
Please state your name and please be

615
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,120
reminded that you have 5 minutes for

616
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:57,600
your delegation and you'll see the timer

617
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:57,600
on the top of your screen.

618
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,000
Corey?

619
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:08,600
» Mr. Chair, I've I'm just letting Corey

620
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,080
into the meeting. Just taking a couple

621
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,440
minutes right now.

622
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,440
» Sure.

623
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,120
» Corey, if you could hear us, could you

624
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,120
turn on your

625
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,640
» Hello.

626
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,880
» Good evening.

627
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:37,280
Good.

628
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,520
We can hear you, Corey.

629
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,040
You can begin when you're ready. You

630
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:44,200
have 5 minutes.

631
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,200
» I'm hearing an echo.

632
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,560
» Do you hear an echo now?

633
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,400
» Hello.

634
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,800
Is [clears throat] that Is that a little

635
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,800
better?

636
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:04,560
» Uh I can hear a slight echo, but uh

637
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,080
it doesn't uh

638
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,600
prevent me from hearing you.

639
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,600
» I'm hearing a really bad echo.

640
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:17,240
» Corey, this is Anne. Do you have YouTube

641
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,240
running in the background?

642
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,360
» Hold on.

643
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,360
I've I've uh aware of that. That turned

644
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,200
it off.

645
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:31,120
» Are you still hearing an echo now?

646
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,320
» Is that better?

647
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,320
I'm still hearing an echo.

648
00:26:35,598 --> 00:26:39,240
» [music]

649
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,560
» Anne, any other suggestions?

650
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,240
» Maybe Counselor Kim, you have to mute

651
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,240
yourself.

652
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,480
» Okay, I'm going to mute it right now. If

653
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,440
you can uh

654
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,440
speak again now.

655
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,160
» Is that happening at my end?

656
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,800
» I muted myself and I'm still hearing an

657
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,920
echo, but just slightly. It might be

658
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,400
more on your end than us hearing it from

659
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,400
our end.

660
00:27:14,898 --> 00:27:16,918
» [music]

661
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,120
» I don't have the

662
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:26,640
meeting on in on any other device in the

663
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,280
background.

664
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,920
Should I try going to another part of

665
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,920
the house?

666
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,400
» And should we

667
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,680
give Corey

668
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,520
5 minutes and move on to the next

669
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,320
» Maybe counselor Reese has to mute as

670
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,160
well. I think everybody has to mute.

671
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,080
Except for the speaker, maybe.

672
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,400
» Okay, so everyone go on mute, please.

673
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,000
And Corey, if you can start in 3

674
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,000
seconds.

675
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,840
» Hold on, I'll just adjust this window.

676
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,840
Is that better?

677
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,760
And people can hear me now?

678
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,960
Okay, so I'll begin then, shall I?

679
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,840
Okay.

680
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,840
Good evening.

681
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,040
My name is Corey Jackson.

682
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:27,240
I speak in reference to the application

683
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:30,224
for OPA and ZBA 1600 3 Young Street and

684
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,960
255 and 219 Old Young Street.

685
00:28:30,224 --> 00:28:34,440
» [snorts]

686
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,680
» In the 8 MHBC planning justification

687
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,560
report dated April 2025,

688
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,160
page 34,

689
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,720
there is a description of the site of

690
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,920
these subject lands as having a

691
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,440
so-called challenging topography. It

692
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,040
suggests that the proposed

693
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,080
multi-residential building

694
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,120
placement the multi-residential building

695
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,720
placement integrate seamlessly with the

696
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,160
surrounding landscape.

697
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,560
This is blatantly untrue.

698
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,280
At five stories plus mechanical level on

699
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,480
the rooftop, it is evident even from the

700
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,520
concept drawing that this building will

701
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,640
be squashed

702
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,200
right up into the highest section of the

703
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,360
subject lands.

704
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,320
It will dwarf on its south border every

705
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,040
neighboring condo residents on Tara Hill

706
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Circle beside it.

707
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,800
Amendments to the original proposal by

708
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:28,080
the applicant were noted at the town

709
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,960
meeting on June 2nd, 2026.

710
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,720
These amendments are nowhere near making

711
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,040
the integration of this building

712
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,480
seamless.

713
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,760
The core issue remains the same. It is

714
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,040
still a five-story building that is too

715
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,680
massive for the physical constraints of

716
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,040
the land.

717
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,000
Good planning requires harmonious

718
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:49,680
relationship between a building's mass

719
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,800
and the physical capabilities of its

720
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,840
site.

721
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,560
According to town of Aurora zoning bylaw

722
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,800
6000

723
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:01,400
-17, the performance standards for an

724
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:04,240
RA2 zone represent the established

725
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,510
threshold for safe, sustainable

726
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,480
apartment development.

727
00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:10,520
» [clears throat]

728
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,600
» The applicant is requesting seven major

729
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,440
performance standard release.

730
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:19,760
Number one, a 66% reduction in front

731
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:22,680
yard setback, 9 m to 3 m. Number two, a

732
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:27,800
91% reduction in the stair to property

733
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:29,280
line safety buffer, 4.5 m to 0.4 m.

734
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,240
Number three,

735
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:36,560
a 40% increase in structural yard

736
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:39,400
encroachment limits, 2 m to 2.8 m.

737
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:42,120
Number four, a 50% reduction in front

738
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:45,156
landscape strip width,

739
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,280
3 m to 1.5 m.

740
00:30:45,156 --> 00:30:48,320
» [snorts]

741
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:52,360
» Number five, a 14% narrowing of standard

742
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:55,080
driveway safety lanes 3.5 m to 3 m.

743
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:59,040
Number six, a 14% reduction in standard

744
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:01,680
parking maneuvering aisles 7 m to 6 m.

745
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:05,520
Number seven, an 82% reduction of

746
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,960
mandatory mandatory indoor amenity space

747
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,040
allocations

748
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:14,320
50% down to 9%.

749
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,360
Evaluated cumulatively, these variations

750
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,240
demonstrate that this proposed building

751
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,080
could not by any stretch of the

752
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:24,560
imagination integrate seamlessly into

753
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:26,960
the low-rise established neighborhood.

754
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,480
Indeed, the lack of a so-called

755
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,160
so-called seamless quality will very

756
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,840
likely increase as time goes on.

757
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,560
As one example, should this proposed

758
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,360
building be constructed, the long stand

759
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,760
of mature cedar trees on its south

760
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,600
property line would be inevitably

761
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,320
compromised.

762
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,440
Even with the aforementioned amendments,

763
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,000
the root system of these cedar trees

764
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,760
would suffer

765
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,080
with the construction of the proposed

766
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:57,800
building's large underground multi-car

767
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,800
garage.

768
00:31:57,862 --> 00:31:58,800
» [cough]

769
00:31:58,517 --> 00:32:01,137
[clears throat]

770
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,240
» Excuse me.

771
00:32:01,137 --> 00:32:03,800
» [snorts]

772
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,200
» In addition, the designated regional

773
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,480
green land system, which comprises more

774
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,360
than half of the subject lands, look

775
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,640
more like wetlands to me.

776
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,440
This is the area on a very large section

777
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,800
of the subject lands on the southeast

778
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,200
corner of the Young Street St. John's

779
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Sideroad intersection.

780
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,160
I personally

781
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:27,640
have walked beside this corner several

782
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:31,080
times a week over a period of years

783
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,600
and can can attest to this directly.

784
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,080
Even in the driest weather, this area is

785
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,440
a wet and marshy bog.

786
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,320
To say the least, issues of potential

787
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:44,440
flooding and water damage caused by this

788
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,480
proposed building would not longer

789
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,160
would not long render it seamlessly

790
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,520
integrated

791
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,560
to the Terra Hill commun- uh circle

792
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,280
community nor to the extended community

793
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,760
generally.

794
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Thank you.

795
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,840
» Thank you, Corey. Can I have a mover and

796
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,440
a seconder

797
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,200
to receive and refer the comments of the

798
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,200
delegation?

799
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Okay, Counselor Gallo.

800
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,320
Counselor

801
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Gardner.

802
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,800
Any questions or comments

803
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,800
for the delegate?

804
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,720
Counselor Gardner.

805
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,120
» Uh

806
00:33:32,838 --> 00:33:35,520
» [clears throat]

807
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,160
» Thank you very much for coming forward

808
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,680
with this information. It it sounds to

809
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:44,640
me like you're extremely

810
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:46,320
uh familiar and aware of this property.

811
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,520
And uh

812
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,080
I I I didn't know some of the things

813
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,520
that you said. So, thank you very much.

814
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,520
I I do agree

815
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,760
with

816
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,800
uh what you've said. Thank you.

817
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,520
» Thank you.

818
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,520
Thank you, Wendy.

819
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,160
» Are there any other questions or

820
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,160
comments?

821
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,200
I've seen none. I'll call the vote.

822
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,240
This will be on the e-scrap.

823
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:47,560
» Councillors Weese and Gilliland, please.

824
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,560
» Not showing.

825
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,560
Yes.

826
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:07,720
» Councillor Weese, please.

827
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,720
» It's not showing here. My vote's yes.

828
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:14,080
» Yeah, if you can just

829
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,080
put that as a yes. Oh, there we go.

830
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:21,840
Thank you, Corey.

831
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,880
Okay, next delegation 6.2

832
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,400
Kim Curry, resident, regarding the same

833
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:31,200
item 8.8.2

834
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:34,480
for OPA and ZBA on 16,003 Young Street,

835
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,560
255 and 219 Old Young Street.

836
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Please state your name, and please be

837
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,200
reminded that you have 5 minutes for

838
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,600
your delegation, and again, you'll see

839
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,600
the timer on the top of the screen.

840
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,960
» Good evening, everybody. My name is Kim

841
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,760
Curry. I'd like to thank you for giving

842
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,560
me the opportunity to speak tonight.

843
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,080
The development that we're discussing is

844
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,680
about taking down two single-family

845
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,920
homes and replacing them with 140-plus

846
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,440
homes.

847
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,240
I understand the need for more housing,

848
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,840
but I have serious concerns about the

849
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:19,160
way this is being approached.

850
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,240
First, I'd like to talk about safety.

851
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,120
Adding a high number of residents to a

852
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:26,640
small, quiet neighborhood will

853
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:30,040
inevitably increase traffic.

854
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:32,800
More cars means more congestion, more

855
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,880
difficulty for emergency vehicles, and

856
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,040
greater risk for pedestrians, especially

857
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,600
children and seniors.

858
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,520
These are not small issues.

859
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,920
They directly affect our day-to-day

860
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,040
lives.

861
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,200
There are school buses traveling along

862
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,720
Old Yonge, a retirement building on the

863
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,760
other side of St. John's,

864
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,200
the new girls school on the other side

865
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,600
of Yonge,

866
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,320
people walking and riding bikes and

867
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,400
accessing the trail system.

868
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,480
It's already extremely difficult to

869
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,320
cross the road without compounding the

870
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,160
issue.

871
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:12,120
30 years ago, a child was tragically

872
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:15,080
struck and killed on Old Yonge at O'Hara

873
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:17,360
as they exited a school bus.

874
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,240
I cannot begin to imagine what that

875
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,880
family went through,

876
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:23,920
and it breaks my heart at the thought of

877
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,760
that possibly happening again.

878
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,400
A number of years later, there was a car

879
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:32,760
accident on Old Yonge due to poor line

880
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,920
of sight and on-street parking.

881
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,280
As a result, I requested that the town

882
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,480
designate the stretch of Old Yonge north

883
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,120
of Tara Hill as no parking.

884
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,240
More recently,

885
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,160
I had a conversation with the mayor

886
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:49,160
about the volume and speed of traffic in

887
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,240
the general area.

888
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:54,200
At the time, I suggested we needed a

889
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:56,000
speed camera, especially in the wetland

890
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,200
area.

891
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:01,840
The intersection at Yonge and St. John's

892
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:04,040
Sideroad has been a called a hotspot for

893
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,960
accidents, and there's a Reddit thread

894
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,960
discuss discussing the problem.

895
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,440
With all of the developments in the

896
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:17,040
vicinity, traffic is getting worse and

897
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:19,760
worse, and safety is being compromised.

898
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,840
There are also environmental concerns

899
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,600
that can't be ignored.

900
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,960
While building more housing is

901
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,320
important, this does not automatically

902
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,800
mean every project is environmentally

903
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,520
friendly.

904
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,480
Construction itself comes with

905
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:37,080
significant environmental costs.

906
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,720
More materials, more waste on a project

907
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,040
of this scale.

908
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:45,280
Protection of the existing wetland and

909
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:48,160
tree canopy needs to be taken seriously.

910
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:51,240
If it's not carefully managed, the

911
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:54,280
development will increase noise, worsen

912
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:58,240
local air quality, and put more strain

913
00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:00,440
on local green space and animals.

914
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,480
We've talked a lot about consideration

915
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,960
for the character and livability of the

916
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:08,200
neighborhood. I'll just reiterate

917
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:11,160
reiterate that low-rise areas are

918
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:13,640
designed to be quieter, greener, and

919
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,920
more community-oriented.

920
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:19,000
Introducing a large building adds the

921
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,880
risk of overshadowing homes, reducing

922
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,200
privacy,

923
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,880
and fundamentally changing the feel of

924
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,200
the neighborhood.

925
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,520
With all of that said, I'm not opposed

926
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,040
to growth.

927
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,560
I'm suggesting smart and responsible

928
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,720
growth.

929
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,200
I recognize that this project is being

930
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:40,280
pushed forward due to its proximity to

931
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,640
the Young Street Corridor,

932
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,280
but this, in my opinion, is a

933
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,920
technicality. Since the proposed

934
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,200
building is not on Young Street, it's

935
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,560
along Old Young.

936
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:55,280
The piece of land that fronts Young is

937
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,800
not designed for pedestrians and does

938
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,080
not have the infrastructure to sustain

939
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,000
it.

940
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,840
Further, as we've heard in other

941
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,800
meetings, sidewalks cannot be created

942
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,080
without negatively impacting the

943
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,240
wetland.

944
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,680
I jog along that stretch of Young

945
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:15,000
sometimes, and it's very scary with the

946
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,560
traffic blasting past.

947
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,960
While that's my choice, developing a

948
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,280
building will be forcing pedestrians

949
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,000
onto Young Street.

950
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,840
We all want a sustainable future, but

951
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,800
that future must also be safe,

952
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,280
balanced, and respectful of the

953
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,240
community.

954
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,000
If the plan change was to build

955
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:38,280
townhouses, the new development would

956
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,160
pose fewer safety risks for the

957
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,400
residents, environmental protections

958
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,480
could be better implemented,

959
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,040
and it could be better integrated with

960
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:51,280
the existing neighborhood.

961
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:53,720
I urge council to listen to residents

962
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,200
and consider whether the apartment-style

963
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,920
development truly serves the best

964
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,720
interests of this neighborhood and

965
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,040
future residents.

966
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:04,840
Please consider revising the development

967
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:07,760
plan for consideration at a future

968
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,760
planning meeting.

969
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,640
» Thank you, Kim.

970
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,960
I have a little issue to receive and

971
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,680
second a proof of the comments of the

972
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,320
delegation.

973
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,440
Council Johnston.

974
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,680
Council Giancola.

975
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,200
Any questions or comments for the

976
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,200
delegate?

977
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,640
Council Gardner.

978
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,760
» Sorry, Council Kim. I think I'm muted.

979
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,000
» We can hear you.

980
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:53,880
» Oh, fantastic. Um

981
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,960
to the delegate, I know it's hard to get

982
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:59,400
up and make a delegation.

983
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,440
And um

984
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,760
you're very sincere in what you're

985
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,920
saying, and

986
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,520
like the former delegate, I think you've

987
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,720
made a lot of excellent points. Thank

988
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,280
you for coming forward.

989
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,800
» Thank you.

990
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,800
Thank you.

991
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,640
» It dissolves her questions.

992
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,760
Thank you very much, Kim.

993
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,760
So, I'll call the vote to all in favor.

994
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,880
Oh, and

995
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,880
please grab. Keep on forgetting.

996
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,480
» Councillor Gardner, please.

997
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:09,400
Uh thank you. I don't have anything on

998
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,400
my screen. It's a yes.

999
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,360
» That carries.

1000
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,800
Moving on to delegation 6.3, Trish Lear,

1001
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,800
resident, regarding the same item,

1002
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,800
8.8.2.

1003
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,040
If you could please state your name, and

1004
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,160
be reminded that you have 5 minutes,

1005
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:34,560
and you'll see the timer on the top of

1006
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,560
your screen. Thank you.

1007
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,520
» Good evening, Mr. Chair and members of

1008
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,200
council.

1009
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,000
Uh my name is Trish Lear, and I'm a

1010
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,600
resident of Aurora. I'm here tonight to

1011
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,920
provide you with some facts behind why

1012
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:50,800
squeezing a five-story mass into the

1013
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,320
buildable portion of 16003 Young and

1014
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,200
255-219

1015
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,160
Young Street is a direct hazard to

1016
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:00,880
residents, and as is and is quite simply

1017
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,720
a textbook case of poor planning.

1018
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,000
Good planning requires a harmonious

1019
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,600
relationship between a building's mass

1020
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,880
and the physical capabilities of the

1021
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,000
site.

1022
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,520
I didn't look at opinions. I looked at

1023
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,240
the math using the town of Aurora's own

1024
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,200
legislated baseline standards.

1025
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:19,520
The applicant is not asking for one or

1026
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,120
two minor tweaks. They're demanding

1027
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:25,000
seven major performance standard reliefs

1028
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,320
simultaneously. I'm going to list five

1029
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,760
and I'll let the numbers speak for

1030
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,680
themselves.

1031
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,520
They want to cut the front yard setback

1032
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:35,800
by 66%

1033
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,720
9 m to 3 m. They're requesting a 14%

1034
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,560
reduction of standard driveway safety

1035
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:44,240
lines to 20 m 20 cm either side and a

1036
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,720
14% reduction in standard parking

1037
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:48,280
maneuvering aisles.

1038
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:50,920
Narrowing the operational lanes prevents

1039
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,720
standard fire equipment or ambulances

1040
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,600
from easily moving through the site

1041
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,000
under high stress emergency

1042
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,080
conditions

1043
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,160
posing a massive safety hazard to the

1044
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,000
residents of the new building.

1045
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,040
They want to slash the required front

1046
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,120
landscape strip in half 3 m to 1 and 1/2

1047
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,520
m.

1048
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,960
They want to reduce the mandatory indoor

1049
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,200
amenity space for residents by a

1050
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,120
staggering 82%

1051
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,160
taking it down from a healthy 50% to

1052
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,040
just 9%.

1053
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,920
And to make the building fit, they're

1054
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,480
pushing the concrete structural stairs

1055
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:27,440
to within 40 cm.

1056
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:31,160
That's a small small distance. That's a

1057
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:35,400
91% reduction in the town safety back

1058
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:37,800
buffer 4 and 1/2 m to 40 cm.

1059
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,400
Individually, these are substantial.

1060
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:43,080
Cumulatively, they're a mathematical

1061
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,120
proof that the building's physicality

1062
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,240
suffocates the buildable land on the

1063
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,960
site.

1064
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:49,920
The project can only exist with

1065
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,960
systematically underperforming on

1066
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:56,440
municipal standards designed to protect

1067
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,520
public safety and occupant livability.

1068
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,320
Look at the site's functionality. The

1069
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,160
safety buffer between the structural

1070
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,960
stairs and the public property line

1071
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,800
exists to protect both the public.

1072
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,560
Reducing the buffer between the concrete

1073
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,880
stairs and the property line from 4 and

1074
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:14,480
1/2 m to just down to 40 cm

1075
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,760
creates blind spots for pedestrians,

1076
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,080
eliminates any physical recovery zone

1077
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,800
for winter slips, and guarantees that

1078
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,320
private maintenance and entry condition

1079
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,280
will spill over into and create

1080
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,680
blockages. It's a textbook example of

1081
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,680
overbuilding where public safety and

1082
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,960
accessibility are compromised simply

1083
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,720
because the building footprint takes up

1084
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,400
too much of the buildable lot.

1085
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:40,480
The applicant attempts to justify these

1086
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,880
massive safety and zoning restrictions

1087
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,920
by claiming this is a regional corridor

1088
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,840
development. But looking at York

1089
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,080
Region's own criteria, this is a total

1090
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,440
illusion.

1091
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,360
There's no reasonable and direct walking

1092
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,040
distances between the regional corridor

1093
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,600
street frontage. It's not a desired and

1094
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,400
appropriate location for

1095
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,560
intensification.

1096
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,600
This is not compatible with and well

1097
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,800
transition to adjacent or adjoining

1098
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,840
lands.

1099
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,520
Because of the site's severe western

1100
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,920
slope and EP zoning, they cannot build

1101
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,080
on Yonge Street.

1102
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,440
Instead, their application explicitly

1103
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:18,080
asks to deem old Yonge Street as the

1104
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,360
front lot line. Doesn't that mean that

1105
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,160
the building is no longer on the

1106
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,920
regional corridor?

1107
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,120
It doesn't meet the criteria listed for

1108
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,800
regional corridor. Instead, it forces an

1109
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,720
entire physical massing onto old Yonge

1110
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,240
Street, which is a narrow, historic,

1111
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:35,920
low-density residential roadway that's

1112
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:37,560
not designed for this density.

1113
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,720
Members of council,

1114
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,600
an overdevelopment of this magnitude on

1115
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:44,120
this site does not constitute good

1116
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,960
planning. It forces a building away from

1117
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,120
its intended regional and transit

1118
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,400
corridor.

1119
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:52,600
It compromises resident safety, and it

1120
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,560
wipes out mandatory livability

1121
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,800
standards, and harms a historic

1122
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,680
neighborhood.

1123
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,440
I urge you to stand by the high

1124
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,480
standards established in Aurora's

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00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,560
comprehensive zoning bylaw.

1126
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,800
Please reject this application this

1127
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:09,120
evening as is and demand development

1128
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,280
that fits the physical constraints of

1129
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,760
that piece of land.

1130
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,600
Thank you very much for your time and

1131
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,600
your leadership.

1132
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,680
» Thank you, Trish.

1133
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,880
May I have a mover and a seconder to

1134
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,520
receive and refer the comments of the

1135
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,200
delegation?

1136
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,040
Councillor Gilliland,

1137
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Councillor Weese,

1138
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,120
any questions or comments for the

1139
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,120
delegate?

1140
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,800
Councillor Gardner?

1141
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,280
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Can you hear me?

1142
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,120
» Yes.

1143
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,800
» Um

1144
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:52,880
again to this delegate, thank you for

1145
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,280
adding your view and your experience to

1146
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,320
this

1147
00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:00,360
uh application and thank you very much

1148
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,360
for coming forward.

1149
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,000
» And Mr. Thomas, any questions?

1150
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,400
Okay, seeing none.

1151
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,000
Thank you very much, Trish. I'll call

1152
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,920
the vote. All in favor are Sorry, it'll

1153
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,920
be on eScribe.

1154
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:46,080
» Councillor Gardner?

1155
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:49,240
I can't see the direction to vote, so

1156
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,240
I'm a yes.

1157
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,520
» Harris?

1158
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Yes. you.

1159
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:03,120
Move to delegation 6.4, Mr. Rocco

1160
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,560
Marsillo,

1161
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:09,520
regarding the same item, 8.8.2,

1162
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:12,400
regarding 16003 Yonge Street and 255 and

1163
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,200
219 Old Yonge Street. Please state your

1164
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,960
name and be reminded that you have 5

1165
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:19,960
minutes for your delegation and you'll

1166
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:23,280
see the timer on the top.

1167
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,840
» Uh good evening. Can you hear me?

1168
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,120
» Yes, we can hear you.

1169
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,120
» Uh good evening, Mayor and members of

1170
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,600
Council. Uh thank you for the

1171
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,960
opportunity to speak tonight regarding

1172
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,240
the proposed development of 16003 Yonge

1173
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,480
Street.

1174
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:39,560
I'd like to thank the developer and our

1175
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,560
planning department for considering the

1176
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,120
environmental and heritage impact this

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00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,760
proposal encounters and tailoring the

1178
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,440
project to suit these priorities.

1179
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,680
I am here on behalf of concerned

1180
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,080
residents and myself. We're asking

1181
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,840
Council to carefully consider the real

1182
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,280
impacts this development will have on

1183
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,560
our community, in particular traffic

1184
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,600
flow, pedestrian safety, and

1185
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,600
accessibility.

1186
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,320
While this project is being presented as

1187
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,200
a development on Yonge Street and

1188
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,280
positioned within a major transit

1189
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,720
corridor, the reality is quite

1190
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,960
different.

1191
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:15,320
This development does not have direct

1192
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,920
functional access to Yonge Street.

1193
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,280
Instead, all vehicle traffic, vehicle

1194
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,160
traffic, and pedestrian movement will be

1195
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,640
funneled through Old Yonge Street, which

1196
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,640
is a road that is already heavily

1197
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:28,720
congested and faces significant traffic

1198
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,280
challenges today.

1199
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:33,520
This distinction does matter.

1200
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,720
A major transit corridor should provide

1201
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,720
direct, safe, and efficient access to

1202
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:41,880
the transit and and infrastructure. In

1203
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:44,200
this case, residents, visitors, delivery

1204
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,880
vehicles, emergency services will depend

1205
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:51,040
on Old Yonge Street, creating additional

1206
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:52,840
pressure on an already strained roadway.

1207
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,800
Residents are deeply concerned about

1208
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,320
what this means for traffic congestion,

1209
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,120
especially during peak hours.

1210
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,080
More importantly, there's some serious

1211
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,680
unanswered questions about pedestrian

1212
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,640
safety.

1213
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,480
How will pedestrians safely access the

1214
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:09,640
intersections of Young and St. John's?

1215
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,000
At present, there is no clear sidewalk

1216
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,440
infrastructure or complete pedestrian

1217
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,840
network that would allow residents to

1218
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,640
safely walk from transit businesses or

1219
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,640
services.

1220
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,080
Without sidewalks and safe pedestrian

1221
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,800
connections, it's difficult to justify

1222
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,360
this as a transit supportive

1223
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,480
development. Sidewalks and pedestrian

1224
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,360
pedestrian accessibilities are not minor

1225
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,040
details. They are fundamental

1226
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,280
requirements for a project of this

1227
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,080
scale.

1228
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,400
Before moving forward, residents are

1229
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,000
asking for greater clarity clarity from

1230
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,840
the developer.

1231
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,360
What specific traffic mitigation

1232
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:49,280
measures are being proposed to divert or

1233
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,480
reduce pressure on the Old Young Street?

1234
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,040
How will pedestrian access be safely

1235
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,160
established?

1236
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,920
What infrastructure improvements are

1237
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,120
being committed to before this

1238
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:02,440
development proceeds?

1239
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:05,840
Growth is important. Housing is needed,

1240
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,720
but growth must be planned responsibly.

1241
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,840
It must prioritize safety,

1242
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:13,120
infrastructure, and quality of life of

1243
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,200
the existing and the future residents.

1244
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,280
We ask council to ensure the critical

1245
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,560
concerns are addressed before any

1246
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,560
approvals are considered. I'm asking

1247
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,560
that this development plan be revised

1248
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,680
and come back to a future planning

1249
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,200
meeting for consideration. Thank you for

1250
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,200
your time.

1251
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,440
» Thank you very much. May I

1252
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,760
move on in a second or two to receive

1253
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,440
and refer the comments of the

1254
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,800
delegation?

1255
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,760
Councillor Gallo, Councillor Councillor

1256
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,280
Gallo, Councillor Gilliland.

1257
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,920
Any questions or comments for the

1258
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,920
delegate?

1259
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,600
Councillor Lewis.

1260
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,440
» Thank you. And

1261
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,760
I should just hear you clearly now.

1262
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,400
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1263
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,400
» Uh you're on mute, Councillor Lewis.

1264
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,480
» I have it now.

1265
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,960
So, let me thank you

1266
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,680
once again, Mr. Marcelo.

1267
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:27,320
I neglected to thank the others because

1268
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,440
I know we're going to have a few more.

1269
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,280
I've seldom seen

1270
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,200
such a thorough

1271
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:37,280
review of a planning application that

1272
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:39,040
I've seen from the four of you here.

1273
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,960
I've been ticking off the boxes here,

1274
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,320
and I want to thank you all for the work

1275
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,880
that you've done

1276
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,880
to bring this forward to council.

1277
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,400
» Thank you, Councillor Lewis.

1278
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,840
Councillor Gallo or sorry, Councillor

1279
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,840
Gardner.

1280
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,440
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you for

1281
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,520
sharing this meeting. Not an easy

1282
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,720
meeting.

1283
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,680
Um

1284
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:13,000
I also thank Mr. Marcelo.

1285
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,480
Uh I know he cares a lot about this

1286
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,200
area.

1287
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,880
Um

1288
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,680
in fact, he cares so much about this

1289
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:23,600
area and the others in this area that

1290
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,880
he's running for council.

1291
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,280
So, um

1292
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,440
you thank you for coming forward with

1293
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,360
the other people who

1294
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,800
have already spoken.

1295
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,800
I appreciate your thoughts.

1296
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,360
Thank you.

1297
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,240
» Thank you, Councillor Granger.

1298
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,240
Any other comments?

1299
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:48,120
I'll call the votes.

1300
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,120
Beyond He Scribe.

1301
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,960
And that carries.

1302
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:14,440
Moving on to delegation 6.6.

1303
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,720
Mr. Shawn Dean, Budget Voice Aurora,

1304
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,160
regarding

1305
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:20,920
items 8.2.3, 8.2.5,

1306
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,440
8.4.2,

1307
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,160
8.7.2,

1308
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,920
and 9.4.

1309
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,040
» Mr. Chair, I think

1310
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,960
I think you missed

1311
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,160
You missed one.

1312
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,920
» Did I? Oh, sorry, sir.

1313
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,960
Thanks, Councillor Gallo. Um

1314
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:40,360
delegation 6.5, excuse me.

1315
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,960
Uh Mr. Oz Kamal, President of MHBC

1316
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:45,320
Planning,

1317
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:48,920
regarding the same 8.8.2

1318
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,440
for 1603 Young Street, 255 and 219 Old

1319
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,960
Young Street.

1320
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,960
If you would please state your name, and

1321
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,480
be reminded that you have 5 minutes for

1322
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,960
your delegation,

1323
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,360
and the timer will be on the top of the

1324
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,360
screen.

1325
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,760
» Sorry, just making sure. Can you hear

1326
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,320
me?

1327
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,480
» Yes. We can hear you.

1328
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,440
» Thank you.

1329
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,520
Um

1330
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,440
I I think I I have a presentation. I

1331
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,080
just want to make sure that that's

1332
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,080
pulled up.

1333
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,960
Thank you. Um, I'll get started now.

1334
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,960
Um,

1335
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,520
good [clears throat] evening and thank

1336
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,240
you for having us here tonight. Uh, my

1337
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,440
name is Oskar Mall. I'm I'm a registered

1338
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,280
professional planner with MHBC Planning

1339
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,840
um, assisting with the planning

1340
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:51,440
approvals for the lands located at 16003

1341
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:54,160
Young Street and

1342
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,960
uh, 219 and 255 Old Young. Um, I've

1343
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,440
appeared before this council uh, for the

1344
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,240
public meeting for this application in

1345
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,280
November and attended the committee

1346
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:04,160
meeting earlier this month as well.

1347
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,480
Um, be before we begin um, I'd like to

1348
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,640
acknowledge the extensive planning

1349
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,520
process that has brought us here today.

1350
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,040
Um, this process I just want to

1351
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,640
reiterate a little bit of history. This

1352
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,640
process began in early 2024

1353
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,880
during which we worked with the

1354
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,800
conservation authority over the course

1355
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,400
of a year to establish the property

1356
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,680
developable limits uh, of this site and

1357
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,080
protect the environmental features. Um,

1358
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:29,520
from there it was then that we uh,

1359
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:32,120
prepared and submitted an application

1360
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,840
um, in April 2025, conducted public

1361
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,320
engagement throughout the fall, and made

1362
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,600
our final submission in the spring of

1363
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,720
this year.

1364
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,840
Um, we've received substantial feedback

1365
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:43,720
through this process and um,

1366
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,240
we've uh, which has helped shape the

1367
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,720
vision. It's it's helped change the

1368
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:49,600
building um, helped um,

1369
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,680
flag um, major concerns and

1370
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,040
considerations. So tonight council is

1371
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,640
considering the official plan and zoning

1372
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,720
bylaw amendment applications recommended

1373
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,840
for approval by staff and endorsed by

1374
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,760
committee earlier this month.

1375
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,680
Together these applications establish a

1376
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,800
framework to permit a five-story

1377
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,760
residential building and the relocation

1378
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,600
of the existing red house, the heritage

1379
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,120
house that sits on 16003 today.

1380
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,960
I note that the approval tonight is not

1381
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,800
the end of this process. Uh, there's

1382
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,200
still a whole site plan approval process

1383
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,360
where we get into the real nitty-gritty

1384
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,920
details um, where additional design

1385
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,280
refinements can occur. Next slide,

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00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,280
please.

1387
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,880
The proposed residential building will

1388
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:29,080
provide 148 residential units ranging

1389
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,080
from one to three bedroom apartments.

1390
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,840
Access to the apartment will be provided

1391
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,920
through an existing driveway along Young

1392
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,080
Street that will connect to two levels

1393
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,760
of underground parking. An amendment has

1394
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,200
been incorporated into the bylaw to

1395
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,840
allow for a reduction in the width of

1396
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:45,440
the driveway lanes from 3.5 to 3 m. The

1397
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,960
appropriateness of the driveway has been

1398
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,760
studied through our transportation study

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which concluded that the lane widths are

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00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,600
sufficient and has also been reviewed by

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00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,240
town and regional staff concluding the

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00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:59,000
same. Emergency access There's also a

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00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,200
secondary emergency access only that's

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00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,480
provided on Old Young and again that is

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01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,320
only for emergency access.

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01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,480
So in the case of an emergency that

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01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:10,600
access can be used otherwise it's only

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01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,240
through the Young Street access.

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01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,320
Indoor and outdoor amenity will be

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01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,840
provided through the proposed

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01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,360
development including an expansive

1412
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:19,400
rooftop terrace. While the development

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01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,240
does meet the overall amenity

1414
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,680
requirements an amendment was required

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01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,000
to reduce the proportion of indoor

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01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,240
amenity area and this amendment is a

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01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,200
appropriate given the development is

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01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:31,040
primarily comprised of larger units two

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01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,080
and three bedroom

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01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,720
what most of which include

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01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:38,400
private patios or balconies

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01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:41,120
that provide the additional amenity

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01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:44,080
living space that would complement the

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01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:46,200
substantial outdoor amenity space.

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01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,040
The proposal provides for a walkway that

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01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,920
runs along the frontage of Old Young

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01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:53,040
Street. Um

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,280
This is a private walkway provided on

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01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,920
Old Young and continues along the

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01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,360
southern interface of the development

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01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,120
and the walkway will provide safe

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01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:02,680
connect connection to Old Young Street

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01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:05,560
and and from there you can go across the

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01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,400
street down the sidewalks and south to

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01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,240
transit.

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01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,240
Municipal sidewalk is not currently

1437
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,920
provided on Old Young Street on the west

1438
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,240
side. However, we are dedicating the

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01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,600
land to the municipality should the town

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01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,840
choose to provide a sidewalk in the

1441
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:22,600
future. So there's a 4.5 m widening

1442
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:24,280
being given Um, which is the um, main

1443
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,800
reason why a lot of our setback

1444
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,320
requirements um, seem so close to old

1445
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:31,040
Yonge it's because we have to give up a

1446
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,440
lot of um, frontage.

1447
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:36,040
Through the development of the existing

1448
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,520
red house, um, which is located at 16003

1449
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,480
Yonge Street, um, that's going to be

1450
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,040
relocated to the north end of the site

1451
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,600
and the building will be restored to its

1452
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,720
original use as a single family

1453
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,960
residential uh, house. And this

1454
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,040
relocation was endorsed by the heritage

1455
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,920
committee.

1456
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,680
Um, there are several site specific

1457
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,760
amendments that are being uh, required

1458
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,520
to implement the development. The need

1459
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,920
for these amendments doesn't mean that

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,160
the proposal is inconsistent um, with

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01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,880
the uh, town's vision for growth, but

1462
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:06,160
rather that the town zoning bylaw um,

1463
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,480
was primarily originally designed for

1464
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,840
more um, single detached greenfield

1465
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,320
development and and so we've made

1466
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,160
modifications to adapt it to

1467
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,520
appropriately address infill development

1468
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,640
such as the one proposed here.

1469
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:21,400
Next slide, please.

1470
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,400
There has been

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01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:28,440
Can I continue or do I have to stop or?

1472
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,920
» No, please continue.

1473
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,360
» Thank you. There has been extensive

1474
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,080
public engagement for the proposal

1475
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,760
including an open house, a public

1476
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,400
meeting in the fall and in in in

1477
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,760
addition to that more informal small

1478
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,480
group discussions with residents

1479
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,920
throughout the application process.

1480
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,240
Feedback received at these meetings led

1481
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,440
to several meaningful design

1482
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:48,600
refinements. Um, first we reduced the

1483
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:50,200
unit count, uh, reduced from 152 to 148.

1484
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,960
We increased the parking supply to

1485
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,200
ensure that we had one parking space per

1486
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,160
unit. Um, through the public engagement

1487
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,360
opportunity uh, opportunities one of the

1488
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,440
reoccurring concerns

1489
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,400
» Slowly wrap up, please.

1490
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,240
» Sure. One of the major concerns was the

1491
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:06,240
south interface.

1492
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:09,600
Um, we we stepped back the underground

1493
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:11,920
garage, the um, the the terraces that

1494
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,680
are on the ground floor and stepped back

1495
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,240
even further the fourth and fifth floor

1496
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,720
and you can see those changes on that

1497
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,680
screen above.

1498
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,680
Uh next slide, please.

1499
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:25,040
And what we also did is we went out and

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01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,400
surveyed the actual cedar hedge. Make

1501
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,960
sure we got the proper heights, the

1502
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:31,520
proper grades, and and and delineated

1503
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,640
where um cuz we heard privacy and

1504
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,840
overlook was a concern. The image on the

1505
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:38,240
left shows um a a visual diagram looking

1506
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,440
from the fourth and fifth floors, so

1507
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,760
what you would see, which is

1508
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,080
» Awesome. Can you wrap

1509
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:46,080
up in like

1510
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,080
» Two sentences? Next slide, please.

1511
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:50,400
» I'm happy to do a motion to extend.

1512
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,840
» It's It's okay. I'm I'm I'm at the tail

1513
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,440
end. To conclude, we support staff's

1514
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,440
recommendation to approve the official

1515
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,920
plan and zoning bylaw amendment on the

1516
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,680
basis that the proposal enables

1517
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,880
appropriate intensification along a

1518
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:03,640
regional corridor, is respectful and

1519
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,960
compatible with the surrounding context,

1520
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,160
represents good planning, and represents

1521
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,200
good planning. I appreciate you

1522
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,640
listening, and thank you for your

1523
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:13,760
indulgence in letting me go over time.

1524
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:15,360
Happy to answer questions.

1525
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:17,200
» Thanks, Iris. May I have a motion

1526
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,200
received and refer to the comments of

1527
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,280
the delegation.

1528
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,240
Councilor Gardner.

1529
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:26,520
Councilor Gillam.

1530
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,520
Any comments or questions?

1531
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,120
Councilor Gallo.

1532
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,760
» Did you see me?

1533
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,920
Uh um just a a question about um

1534
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,520
some of the delegates

1535
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,120
» Well, if I can

1536
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,040
if I can uh

1537
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,520
uh interrupt you, if you wouldn't mind

1538
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,880
blurring your your screen because we

1539
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,480
can't have signs and placards

1540
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,720
uh while we have

1541
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,280
a council meeting. So, if you can just

1542
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,200
blur the background, please.

1543
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,360
» If someone can show me how, I'm happy to

1544
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,360
do that.

1545
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,280
» Madam Clerk, can you

1546
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:14,160
provide some guidance

1547
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,160
on how to do that?

1548
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:34,560
Or Julia or can any staff help Councilor

1549
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,560
Gallo on how to blur the screen on Zoom?

1550
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:43,480
» Councilor Gallo, in the stop video

1551
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:45,120
button, there's a little up arrow.

1552
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,640
» Where where?

1553
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,120
» In the bottom left corner, there's a

1554
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,000
mute button and a stop video.

1555
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,040
And on the stop video, there's an up

1556
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,920
button. If you hit the little up button,

1557
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:58,120
the arrow up,

1558
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:59,280
there's a menu that opens

1559
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,920
and it allows you to blur your

1560
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,920
background.

1561
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,600
Don't hit the actual button, just the up

1562
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,120
arrow. And then a little menu will pop

1563
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:12,000
up and it'll say blur my background.

1564
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:14,200
Right now, you're not on video.

1565
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,200
» Yeah.

1566
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:20,280
Yeah, I see it. It's uh

1567
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:22,320
It's like the second to the left. It's a

1568
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:24,160
video icon and then there's instead of a

1569
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,200
drop down, there's an

1570
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,840
up

1571
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,920
arrow.

1572
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,240
» I don't have it.

1573
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,160
» And then it'll say give you the option

1574
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,720
of blur my background or auto frame my

1575
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,720
video.

1576
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:42,720
» At least get the idea.

1577
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:45,840
» I don't get it. Just have to hit more.

1578
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:48,560
You hit more and then video and effects.

1579
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,560
The bottom right.

1580
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:05,080
» Okay, there you go.

1581
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:07,360
Thank you, Councilor Gallo.

1582
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,360
» Um

1583
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,440
The the one of the delegates or a few of

1584
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,760
them had spoken to

1585
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,600
traffic.

1586
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,280
Um

1587
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,960
can you speak to the studies that were

1588
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:22,760
done as well as

1589
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:24,960
uh the sidewalk on the

1590
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,200
on the east side.

1591
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,040
Um you had mentioned that I think you're

1592
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,760
leaving a right away there,

1593
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,640
but you're leaving it up to the town to

1594
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,160
install that in the future time.

1595
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,880
» Sure.

1596
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,200
» Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1597
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,080
» Nice.

1598
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,240
Thank you through you, Mr. Chair.

1599
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,120
Um there there was several Actually,

1600
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,320
there was a

1601
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,440
a lot of studies that were done for

1602
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,440
this.

1603
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:50,520
Um noise studies, arborist report, um

1604
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:52,400
servicing study, uh traffic study was

1605
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,720
done, reviewed by town staff, and

1606
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,040
reviewed by the region, and was um was

1607
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:59,160
deemed adequate, and and they both

1608
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,880
signed off on that. Um we did slope

1609
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:03,640
stability assessments, environmental

1610
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,200
impact studies, uh vegetation management

1611
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:08,280
reports.

1612
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:10,160
Um we we did a full plethora of studies,

1613
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,360
revised those studies based on comments

1614
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,880
received, had those reviewed, and

1615
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:17,440
everything was signed off on. Now, the

1616
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,080
um the sidewalk issue

1617
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:20,400
uh that you just raised. So, what we're

1618
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,040
doing is

1619
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,839
and a lot of the reasons that our

1620
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,480
building seems a lot closer than it is

1621
01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:28,680
is it was through the application

1622
01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:31,400
process that uh town staff advised that

1623
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:34,000
the right of way width of Old Yonge on

1624
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:36,359
our side of the street on the west side

1625
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,120
didn't have the appropriate right of way

1626
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:40,000
width. So, what happens in an

1627
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,680
application is you give up that right of

1628
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,839
way width, the appropriate amount, so

1629
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:46,680
that the full 20 m is given on Old

1630
01:08:44,839 --> 01:08:49,400
Yonge. So, previously, I think it was

1631
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:51,520
about 16 m, which is likely why you

1632
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,839
didn't have the sidewalk on the west

1633
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,000
side. Um so, through this application,

1634
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:59,520
we're giving up 4 and 1/2 m of our

1635
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:02,120
frontage into the site um in order to

1636
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:04,359
allow for the ability for a sidewalk.

1637
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:06,160
And the sidewalk, um,

1638
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:07,960
like the details of the sidewalk, that

1639
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,759
can be that can be fleshed out through a

1640
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:12,120
future again I as I was saying at the

1641
01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:14,839
beginning, this is just to allow for the

1642
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,400
built form to take place. Um, we still

1643
01:09:14,839 --> 01:09:18,720
have a whole another process to go

1644
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:21,200
through with staff at site plan. And at

1645
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,680
that time if if um, one of the

1646
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,040
requirements through site plan was a

1647
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,759
sidewalk, that's something we'll take

1648
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:28,080
back and talk to the client about it how

1649
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:29,279
we how we can try to address that. Maybe

1650
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,920
there's

1651
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:32,680
some sort of cost share arrangement or

1652
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,200
something that can be addressed through

1653
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:37,920
site plan approval. Um, we understand

1654
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:39,520
what what the residents are saying. Um,

1655
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,839
it starts with making sure you have the

1656
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,560
adequate right of way and the town is

1657
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:46,400
getting that free and clear through this

1658
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,400
application.

1659
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,400
» Okay, thank you. I'll I'll be speaking

1660
01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:53,160
to Mr. Ramuna once the applicant the

1661
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,160
item comes up.

1662
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,880
» Thank you. I believe uh, Counselor

1663
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,880
Gilliland had her hand up.

1664
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,400
» Thank you. Just quick question I guess

1665
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,680
and we will probably talk to you about

1666
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:12,600
the report but um, for my understanding

1667
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:15,520
um, through Mr. Chair to the delegate,

1668
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:18,080
um, there was quite a few um,

1669
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:20,880
changes that were made through the

1670
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,520
community planning sessions

1671
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:26,280
um, including reducing some of the

1672
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:27,960
residential units and um,

1673
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,920
increasing some of the parking and so

1674
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:32,320
forth. Um, if you could just kind of

1675
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,880
just kind of reiterate a bit of that

1676
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,400
because I just want to remind everybody

1677
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,760
we went through a lengthy process with

1678
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,720
public planning and everything to get

1679
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,520
here

1680
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,560
and uh, I I certainly don't want to be

1681
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,120
taking a step back because

1682
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,440
when we kind of get this far, I feel

1683
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,040
like we should have already been

1684
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:48,120
addressed a lot of these basic items and

1685
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,320
so

1686
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,880
um,

1687
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,520
to Mr. Chair

1688
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,360
uh, to the delegate was it Mr. Oz? Is

1689
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:57,360
that what it says there? Um, if you

1690
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,960
could just kind of speak to that because

1691
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,480
uh, I I think people need to be reminded

1692
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,480
of, you know, all the extra um, changes

1693
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:05,320
that you have made and the fact that

1694
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:05,920
there's more net developable

1695
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,520
um,

1696
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,040
not net developable, but there's more

1697
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,480
environmental protection lands that have

1698
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,280
been awarded to the project and so

1699
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,760
forth. I think these things need to be

1700
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,880
highlighted.

1701
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,040
» Uh, yes, thank thank you. Uh, through

1702
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,480
you, um,

1703
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:22,000
Chair, to Councillor Gallant. Um, thank

1704
01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:25,200
you for that. The So,

1705
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:28,040
this was this wasn't a uh, um, this

1706
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:30,480
process has taken, um, a long time. And

1707
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:32,680
and one of the first things that we had,

1708
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:34,640
um, dealt with, um, and I and I've spoke

1709
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,720
to this before was the conservation, um,

1710
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,560
issue.

1711
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,360
And making sure that the appropriate

1712
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:41,200
development, uh, if there was any

1713
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,720
development, uh, making sure that we

1714
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,840
understood that with the conservation

1715
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,200
authority. So, we went through an

1716
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,240
extensive uh, I remember walking the

1717
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:51,360
site two, uh, three times now. Um, and

1718
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:53,080
twice with the conservation authority,

1719
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,680
making sure that we got it right, making

1720
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,960
sure that the development limit was set,

1721
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,360
making sure that the conservation

1722
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,840
authority was satisfied

1723
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:03,280
with the development limit as it related

1724
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,480
to the environmental. Um, so that was

1725
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,920
that was priority one. If if there was

1726
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:09,800
no development here, then we wouldn't be

1727
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:11,400
here. Um, and but what we did is we

1728
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:14,040
figured out that there was some

1729
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:17,120
development opportunity here, um, and

1730
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:20,360
then but the majority of it was on 16003

1731
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:23,200
Young. And and we, uh, looked at that,

1732
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:25,520
um, that heritage building and looked at

1733
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,200
the heritage value of it and it has

1734
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,520
heritage value.

1735
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,960
However, um, there's uh, there's

1736
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,640
structural issues with that building

1737
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:36,280
from not being used for a long time. So,

1738
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:38,840
our our second priority was making sure

1739
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:40,640
that a, could we salvage the building,

1740
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,000
and does it make more sense to put it at

1741
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:47,280
a more notable location. And and through

1742
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:50,160
our um, our our our our um,

1743
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:52,560
consultants, ERA Architects, um, with

1744
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:55,720
the help of town staff, we developed a

1745
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,480
heritage plan for that building. Um

1746
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,960
without those two things, we wouldn't

1747
01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:01,080
have even gone anywhere with an

1748
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:03,720
application. So, if we didn't think that

1749
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:06,200
we could make that work and and and

1750
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:08,240
establish the environmental limit, um we

1751
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:10,680
wouldn't have development here.

1752
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:13,320
And then um once we thought we had a

1753
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:16,480
great like a a great heritage plan,

1754
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:19,520
um we we developed that. Um we worked

1755
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:22,040
together with town staff. Um and then

1756
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,520
then we saw what we had left. So, we

1757
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,920
looked after the environment, we looked

1758
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,920
after the heritage building cuz those

1759
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,600
were priorities, and then we looked at

1760
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,880
what we had left.

1761
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,320
And um

1762
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:34,640
what we did is we had a and I think I've

1763
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,200
mentioned this before, previous owners

1764
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,000
wanted something sub

1765
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,520
something

1766
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,360
much more substantial that I wasn't

1767
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:43,400
supporting. Um we got to the point of a

1768
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:46,040
five-story building here.

1769
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,960
Um and and what we heard from the

1770
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,160
community meeting uh the original

1771
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:52,160
community meeting when we first

1772
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:54,280
submitted was the southern interface and

1773
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,200
making sure that the southern interface

1774
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,240
um

1775
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:59,920
preserved the cedar hedge. So, the

1776
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,760
original and it wasn't the building

1777
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:05,240
setback itself. The building setback is

1778
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:07,440
6.6 m. It's the um but it's the root

1779
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:10,120
system. And that was a that was an

1780
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,720
epiphany for me because I didn't realize

1781
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,320
um

1782
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,800
how important that was. So, what we did

1783
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,400
is we we sent our arborist back out. And

1784
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,120
what we did is we pulled the building

1785
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:20,960
back away

1786
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:23,400
after our arborist and our surveyor um

1787
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,920
properly surveyed the the tree line,

1788
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:29,120
that that cedar hedge. And what we did

1789
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:32,960
is we made sure that we had the 3. uh

1790
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:35,680
3.7 m uh root system protected, plus we

1791
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,080
added um a a little bit more because we

1792
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,080
know that we have to go underground, and

1793
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,080
we want to make sure that that

1794
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,520
underground wall doesn't impact the root

1795
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:45,240
system, either.

1796
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:47,560
So, that's why you see a 4.5 m setback

1797
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:49,320
um at the at at that's just to the

1798
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,960
outdoor terrace area, but the building

1799
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:54,040
setback is 6.6 so that we could make

1800
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:56,160
sure that the cedar hedge um, is

1801
01:14:54,040 --> 01:15:00,560
preserved, is maintained. We also

1802
01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:02,120
proposed a fence along that edge. Um, we

1803
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,040
um, we increased the width of the

1804
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:08,880
landscaped area.

1805
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:10,480
We heard um, people's concerns about um,

1806
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,160
residents of that building being able to

1807
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:14,440
go in and out of the building. So we

1808
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:17,360
made sure we had a walkway along the the

1809
01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:20,240
southern edge and the the easterly face

1810
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:21,880
on um, Old Young um, for the residents

1811
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:24,360
so that they did have a place to kind of

1812
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:27,000
go out, maybe walk their pets and they

1813
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:29,720
have access from there to go to the the

1814
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:32,760
the greater neighborhood. Um,

1815
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:35,320
we heard the concerns about the um,

1816
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,280
privacy and overlook. So we actually

1817
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,960
went out and laser surveyed the height

1818
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,960
of the tree I like I've never even done

1819
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:43,760
that before in 20 plus years, but we did

1820
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:45,680
it and we got the accurate heights and

1821
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,920
we transpose that on one of the slides

1822
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:50,120
that I showed you earlier. And then we

1823
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,440
depicted people on the balcony and what

1824
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,800
their field of view would be. So you

1825
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:56,760
could see that A, we've preserved the

1826
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:59,360
cedar hedge. We pulled the building

1827
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:02,680
um, we pulled the the fourth and fifth

1828
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:05,000
floor. Originally it was 2.4 m to the to

1829
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,480
the south base. We've it's now it or

1830
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,840
originally it was like on the fourth and

1831
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:11,400
fifth floor it was 9 m. We pulled it

1832
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,840
back to 13 m. So you have 13 m away from

1833
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,480
the fourth and fifth floor when you look

1834
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,040
at it from that angle,

1835
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:17,320
you're looking at the rooftops of the

1836
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:20,240
townhouses. You're not looking at

1837
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:24,520
anyone's backyard. So there was a lot of

1838
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:27,160
thought and and I I um, I

1839
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:30,000
I I've have to say like I applaud our

1840
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:32,680
client on this cuz they are um, they're

1841
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,720
not a Toronto builder. They're in

1842
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,880
Aurora. They live in Aurora.

1843
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,600
Um, they own businesses in Aurora and

1844
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,880
and they want to see this like they

1845
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:42,240
wanted to make sure that this did fit

1846
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,080
within um,

1847
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:46,880
the the character of Aurora. So, we we

1848
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,840
pulled the fourth and fifth floor back.

1849
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,560
We pulled the terraces back. We

1850
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:53,400
increased that setback to the south

1851
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:55,280
interface. We provided a walkway for our

1852
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,000
building. We made sure that the town has

1853
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,480
the ability to provide a sidewalk in the

1854
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,280
future.

1855
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:02,560
While looking after the heritage house

1856
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,560
and while looking after the environment,

1857
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,600
a lot of good moves were done here. And

1858
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,720
that's why I say like with confidence

1859
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,920
that this is good planning.

1860
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,840
Sir Gillon?

1861
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,760
» Thank you. I I appreciate that. I think

1862
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,080
it was

1863
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:17,320
worth revisiting all the the positive

1864
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,640
things as well. I mean, obviously,

1865
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:21,840
well, we can't be pleased about

1866
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:24,400
everything or please everyone. Um but I

1867
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:27,040
am actually kind of uh happy to learn

1868
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,640
that the property owner is an Auroran

1869
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,120
and owns businesses here. So, I think

1870
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,720
that it does make it a little bit uh

1871
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,160
more extra special in the sense that

1872
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,640
they're very cognizant of wanting to

1873
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:39,680
have good stewardship in the way that

1874
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,080
you develop. Um through Mr. Chair, um do

1875
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,520
or through Mr. Chair, do you think I

1876
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,200
could ask Madam Clerk to pull up that

1877
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,000
slide he was uh the delegate was

1878
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,240
referring to with the laser just so I

1879
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,280
can see

1880
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,640
what um

1881
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,000
uh she he was referring to and the

1882
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,920
public could see what they were he was

1883
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,000
referring to.

1884
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:59,000
» Yeah. Um Madam

1885
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,360
Madam Clerk or Julia, can you put that

1886
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,640
slide up?

1887
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,640
» It's slide 405.

1888
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,760
» Bear with me. I'll bring that up

1889
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,200
momentarily.

1890
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,200
» Thank you.

1891
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,800
» I am very interested in the fact that,

1892
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,600
you know, you did use that laser. I know

1893
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,280
you did step it back. I I do appreciate

1894
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,520
when you did meet with the community

1895
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,800
that you did uh you know, you listened

1896
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,320
and you made some changes that were

1897
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:29,880
pretty significant. Uh but my not only

1898
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:31,800
reducing the amount of units, but also

1899
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,160
uh of the density, but also the the

1900
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,440
setbacks. And I think that was really

1901
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,560
important. I think that was a major

1902
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:37,720
concern on the southern side is the

1903
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,480
making sure that they didn't like they

1904
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,920
had people that were over

1905
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:43,480
over overpowering them or or looking

1906
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:46,440
over and and I think that was a major

1907
01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:47,400
concern for a lot of us as well in

1908
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:49,080
council.

1909
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:52,200
» That's right. So, on your left you can

1910
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:55,240
see so what we did is we had um

1911
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:57,080
so in order to create this image and and

1912
01:18:55,240 --> 01:19:00,000
a lot of times what you'll see is a

1913
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:01,600
stock tree image or something like that.

1914
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,640
What we did is we measured the width of

1915
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:05,560
that cedar hedge. We measured the height

1916
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:08,960
of the cedar hedge.

1917
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:11,680
And then and then we we stepped like the

1918
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:14,720
we just I we kept stepping the building

1919
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:17,920
back until you were seeing the roofline.

1920
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:20,840
And and and and and so we just made sure

1921
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:22,440
that anyone who's on on basically the

1922
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,800
third floor is looking into the cedar

1923
01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:26,240
hedge and anyone on the fourth floor or

1924
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,080
fifth floor you can see we've stepped

1925
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:31,520
back the fifth floor and the fourth and

1926
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:33,880
fifth floors like substantially back. Um

1927
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,880
and them standing on the edge of their

1928
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,520
outdoor terrace

1929
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,520
um would only be looking from their

1930
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,600
viewpoint to the like you can see that

1931
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,200
they're basically looking at the

1932
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,200
roofline.

1933
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:46,000
So, I've just never seen it done that

1934
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,400
accurately before and and I honestly

1935
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,760
like I have to applaud our team for

1936
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,520
doing it and and and and and doing that.

1937
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:53,320
I know it's not to your point it's not

1938
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,120
going to address all the comments, but

1939
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,520
um it wasn't any stock images or

1940
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,960
anything like that. It was actually

1941
01:19:56,520 --> 01:20:00,400
properly like looked at and

1942
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:02,760
investigated.

1943
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,720
» Perfect. Thank you. I I do appreciate

1944
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,720
that and I wanted to have this up on the

1945
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,880
screen to kind of see cuz I

1946
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:12,400
kind of impressed that you took the

1947
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:14,280
actuals of the the current trees foliage

1948
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:17,080
at the vegetation there and actually

1949
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:19,200
applied it and did some math to try and

1950
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:22,160
um accommodate the community. So, I I do

1951
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:24,560
appreciate that and I I hope that um

1952
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:26,680
also sits well with the community as

1953
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,000
well. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

1954
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,560
» Thank you.

1955
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,960
Thanks, Councillor Bielinski.

1956
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,960
Any other comments or questions?

1957
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,880
Councillor Lewis.

1958
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,320
» Yes, thank you.

1959
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:47,320
And I can attest to the work that the

1960
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:48,880
planner and the architect has done.

1961
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,200
Um

1962
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,040
for the first time we brought the

1963
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,920
architects in and we

1964
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:55,480
had a

1965
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,720
community information meeting that was

1966
01:20:55,480 --> 01:21:00,760
rather informal and we've come back

1967
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:02,480
another number of times and I agree with

1968
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,120
um Councillor Gilliland that there's

1969
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:06,080
been a lot of work and effort done in

1970
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:09,280
here and I want to thank uh

1971
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:12,760
uh Mr. Kamal for the work that has been

1972
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:13,440
done on this. I do however listen to the

1973
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,440
um

1974
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:17,440
the residents and I know some of the

1975
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:19,640
issues that they still have regardless

1976
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:22,360
of the effort that's been put into here.

1977
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:24,120
So I just wanted him to know that we

1978
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,360
really appreciate the extra effort that

1979
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:29,440
is being done in order to get this

1980
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,440
application through.

1981
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,840
» Thank you.

1982
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:36,200
» Councillor Lewis.

1983
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,200
Any other questions for the delegate?

1984
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,920
Thanks Oz. Uh that was great

1985
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:43,840
information. Appreciate all the efforts

1986
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,880
you and your team have done for the

1987
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,160
application. So with that I'll bring it

1988
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:47,600
to

1989
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:51,480
» Thank you.

1990
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,480
» To a vote on eScribe.

1991
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,640
» Councillor Gartner, please.

1992
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,320
» I vote yes.

1993
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:31,440
» Councillor Gartner

1994
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:48,000
» I'm a yes. Thank you.

1995
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,960
» No, I didn't go.

1996
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,200
» And

1997
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:02,080
a reminder that

1998
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,680
we need to have our videos on during

1999
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:07,280
Council meetings.

2000
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:09,840
We move to delegation 6.6, Mr. Shawn

2001
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:15,720
Dean, budget voice of Aurora

2002
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:19,760
regarding items 8. 2.3, 8.2.5, 8.4.2,

2003
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:21,880
8.7.2, and 9.4.

2004
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,960
Please state your name and be reminded

2005
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,440
that you have 5 minutes for your

2006
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:27,640
delegation, and the timer will let you

2007
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:27,640
know.

2008
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,080
You're on mute, Mr. Dean.

2009
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,560
» Yes, good evening, Mr. Chair, Council,

2010
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:43,560
those in chambers, and those online. Uh

2011
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:45,640
my name is Shawn Dean, and I appreciate

2012
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:49,200
the approval of the extra delegations,

2013
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:52,040
and I will uh endeavor to be as quick as

2014
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:55,040
I can with all of the uh

2015
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:57,440
agenda items tonight. Um

2016
01:23:55,040 --> 01:24:00,720
it's important for me to uh be a part of

2017
01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:01,480
my community and share my my voice, and

2018
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,800
um

2019
01:24:01,480 --> 01:24:06,960
in in this uh day and age on the record

2020
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:08,400
as well. So, I maybe I'll I'll jump

2021
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,880
ahead to

2022
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:13,240
uh the meeting schedule for the

2023
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:17,680
remainder of the Council term. That's 8

2024
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:19,760
uh 4 2. Um it's it's regrettable that uh

2025
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,200
tonight there's so many, like 41 items

2026
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,200
on the agenda,

2027
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:26,080
and it just puts unwelcome pressure on

2028
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:28,160
everyone who chooses to participate and

2029
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:30,400
it brings a lot of fatigue and it's and

2030
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:33,080
it's hard anyone who's delegated just to

2031
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:35,800
prepare for one item let alone having

2032
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:37,600
our part-time counselors prepare for 41

2033
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:40,000
items even though they they might have a

2034
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:42,720
deeper history than an average delegate.

2035
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,520
So in order to

2036
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,280
I I guess

2037
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:49,040
wish there was

2038
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:53,200
a way to spread this out and in fact

2039
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:56,640
cramming asking staff asking for

2040
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:59,360
July meetings to be cancelled also puts

2041
01:24:56,640 --> 01:25:01,120
extra pressure on everyone tonight and a

2042
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:03,360
lot of these items tonight with the

2043
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:08,080
audit and budget committee

2044
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:10,240
are near and dear to my heart. So I

2045
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:13,320
I guess

2046
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:16,040
also want to ask you know why is it that

2047
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:19,040
staff is worried about being a lame duck

2048
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:21,120
in October

2049
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,360
and September but not next month in

2050
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,920
July.

2051
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:26,400
So I'll let you ponder that. I'll move

2052
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,120
on to

2053
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,800
my my first item the

2054
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:32,760
the long-term asset management funding

2055
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:36,240
where

2056
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,760
all of a sudden our asset management or

2057
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:40,520
our tax-funded contributions to the

2058
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:43,120
fiscal strategy need to double

2059
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,800
and I I guess my concern for this and

2060
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,280
Mr. Mayor is not here tonight but for

2061
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,160
the other members of the financial

2062
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:51,360
advisory committee counselor

2063
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,880
Kim and counselor Thompson

2064
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,560
you know the mayor had and you get to

2065
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:57,560
see the detailed budgets the the mayor

2066
01:25:54,560 --> 01:26:00,640
had stated with respect to Victoria Hall

2067
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:03,880
that going over budget would not impact

2068
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:08,160
the tax levy and yet here we are

2069
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:10,520
tonight about to approve increasing

2070
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:12,800
you know the tax levy because of all of

2071
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:15,800
the capital budget projects and going

2072
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:18,080
over budget on Victoria Hall 350% and

2073
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:22,160
the multi-use path, 50%.

2074
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:25,760
Um it does not help. And I have a

2075
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:27,640
question for on on the document,

2076
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:30,520
it was stated that there's there's no

2077
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:32,800
alternatives. Um

2078
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:35,160
and I think you know, that's that's very

2079
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:37,440
concerning to increasing taxes. There's

2080
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:39,720
no alternatives. Like budget discipline

2081
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:41,880
would be a great alternative um going

2082
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:45,160
forward and closing the funding gap,

2083
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:47,120
having a a larger community discussion.

2084
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,520
Um you know, if there's no alternatives,

2085
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:51,920
there's no hope. We have you know,

2086
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:54,480
unsustainable tax increases with with

2087
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:57,680
the levels of spending that keep getting

2088
01:26:54,480 --> 01:27:00,960
added and and the funding gap of 15 or

2089
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:02,600
14 and 1/2 million dollars a year.

2090
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:06,520
The

2091
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:09,400
So, we and with 8,000 homes, um

2092
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:11,960
you know, on slated uh for development

2093
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:14,080
and not knowing if

2094
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:16,880
you know, growth pays for growth, this

2095
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:19,480
is this requires really a a serious

2096
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:22,440
conversation and some some alternatives,

2097
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:25,080
not no alternatives.

2098
01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:25,080
The

2099
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:30,040
Uh year-end development charges, I I

2100
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:32,200
guess uh that that ties into my my

2101
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:34,440
comment and having additional

2102
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:37,080
alternatives for development charges.

2103
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:40,400
There's We we can There's all sorts of

2104
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:43,040
ways we can adjust development charges

2105
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:45,280
and having, you know, the province

2106
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:47,760
request extra

2107
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:50,160
um administration

2108
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:55,360
uh by municipalities

2109
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:58,160
um for a a very small small

2110
01:27:55,360 --> 01:28:00,840
uh discount, um which doesn't translate

2111
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:03,400
to a lower house price, um does not make

2112
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:06,440
any sense. So, I I really think this

2113
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:09,960
requires a a bigger conversation.

2114
01:28:06,440 --> 01:28:12,720
Um my my last point is with uh the waste

2115
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:15,000
management contract. Why is it that a

2116
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:17,000
10-year contract requires an extra year

2117
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,800
and a half to go to tender? Should we

2118
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,640
not have Should staff not have looked at

2119
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:23,160
this a year and a half ago?

2120
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:26,720
Um through you know, three at the 7-year

2121
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:29,040
mark. It's a 10-year contract. Why do we

2122
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:31,600
Why do we need to approve it tonight as

2123
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:35,440
well when the contract doesn't expire

2124
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:37,360
until December of 2027.

2125
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:39,160
So, this decision can be left to the

2126
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,040
next term of council. There's a lot of

2127
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,880
questions that I have. I'm sure council

2128
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,840
has. They haven't had an opportunity to

2129
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:47,000
ask them. But,

2130
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:49,600
the Why Why are there not We're there

2131
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:51,560
We're creating risk. Um

2132
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,920
you know, not having alternatives. Why

2133
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,840
can't we go to tender now? It's It's not

2134
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,480
doesn't take long to

2135
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,720
uh produce a tender.

2136
01:28:57,480 --> 01:29:03,240
Uh especially with artificial

2137
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:05,160
intelligence assistance. So, the

2138
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:07,320
uh

2139
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,560
Also, the the additional

2140
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,080
uh

2141
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:14,920
uh terms of 1-year and 2-year. Why do we

2142
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:18,120
need to approve both at the same time?

2143
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:22,640
So, these These are just some some uh

2144
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:22,640
questions. Uh bear with me 1 second.

2145
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,840
And the competitive bid process, if we

2146
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:31,920
don't have competitive bids available at

2147
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:33,800
the 10-year mark, then you know, we we

2148
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,640
put our Aurora at risk. Are there not

2149
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:38,080
options to have Aurora independently get

2150
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:40,040
um extensions from third-party

2151
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:43,080
contractors?

2152
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:45,280
Um for 1-year extensions. And the This

2153
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:47,040
document also implies that

2154
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:49,320
um the town is or the staff has already

2155
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:52,120
decided um that they want to go ahead

2156
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:53,000
with automatic uh arms uh

2157
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,720
or

2158
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:58,760
and giving GFL time to purchase

2159
01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:00,480
vehicles. This does not make sense. That

2160
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:04,240
that is not a concern of a of a

2161
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:06,600
purchaser. The cost um

2162
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:08,640
you know, of of their suppliers. So,

2163
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:11,120
there's there's all these questions that

2164
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:13,480
and for that reason I I I would suggest

2165
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,280
and recommend that council just

2166
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:17,320
um

2167
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:18,440
leave this for the next term of council

2168
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,760
when there's opportunities for more

2169
01:30:18,440 --> 01:30:22,840
questions if there's no more meetings

2170
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:25,720
for the rest of the year.

2171
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,720
Thank you for your time.

2172
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,280
» Okay.

2173
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:33,120
May I have a motion to receive and refer

2174
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:33,120
the comments of the delegation.

2175
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,840
Councillor Gallo, Councillor

2176
01:30:35,480 --> 01:30:39,000
Thompson.

2177
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,600
Any questions or comments for the

2178
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,600
delegate?

2179
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:49,520
Being none, I'll call a vote on East

2180
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,520
Gwillimbury.

2181
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,480
That carries.

2182
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:14,640
Okay, that leads us to our last

2183
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:17,760
delegation, 6.7.

2184
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,760
Bailey Lester.

2185
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,120
Please state your name and you're

2186
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:25,760
reminded that you have 5 minutes for

2187
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:28,240
your delegation and again, the timer is

2188
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:30,680
on the top. Thank you.

2189
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:32,000
» Thank you. Good evening. My

2190
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,240
My name is Bailey and this is my mother,

2191
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,960
Michelle.

2192
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:37,600
Um we are here to uh address the

2193
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:40,040
situation that had happened on May the

2194
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,640
4th. Uh he knew the friendly family

2195
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:44,200
Rottweiler was killed at the end of two

2196
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:45,840
catch poles by two of Aurora's animal

2197
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:48,240
control officers in my family home's

2198
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,120
driveway. And we are here to share with

2199
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:51,720
each of you personally our experience

2200
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,560
and how it continues to affect our

2201
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,120
lives.

2202
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,680
Looking back on May the 4th, I was

2203
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,920
coming to visit my mom with my daughter

2204
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:00,200
as we planned to go for an evening

2205
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:02,480
stroll and to get ice cream. Two stray

2206
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:04,960
dogs had wandered onto her property and

2207
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:06,920
my mom had then secured and leashed at

2208
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,120
the time of my arrival.

2209
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,600
I had asked my sister to care for my

2210
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:11,240
daughter as I went to assist my mom with

2211
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:13,080
both of the dogs.

2212
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:15,560
Both dogs were calm, friendly, and

2213
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,880
exhibited zero aggression towards us. We

2214
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:20,120
could pet them and have them sitting

2215
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:22,160
close against us without hesitation.

2216
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:24,000
I called Aurora Animal Services fully

2217
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:25,400
believing in my heart that I was doing

2218
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,120
the right thing.

2219
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:30,560
I am now trying to forgive myself for

2220
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:30,560
making this tragic decision.

2221
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:34,000
I trusted that those responding would be

2222
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,280
professional, fully trained, and

2223
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,080
knowledgeable on how to use any

2224
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:39,680
equipment, including catch poles. I

2225
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:42,040
fully expected them to handle the dogs

2226
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:44,520
in a humane manner and then safely have

2227
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:46,520
them reunited with their families.

2228
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:49,240
What was to occur and to be witnessed by

2229
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:50,320
my family and neighbors was a nightmare.

2230
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:52,800
Something that I would never wish on

2231
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:55,480
anybody to experience. What was done to

2232
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:57,600
Heenu was completely avoidable.

2233
01:32:55,480 --> 01:33:00,000
Multiple failures of basic dog handling

2234
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:02,440
protocols, such as removing from the van

2235
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,160
an already secured animal, resulted in

2236
01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:07,560
this beautiful, friendly dog losing his

2237
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:07,560
life in such a cruel manner.

2238
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:12,120
We have had three very experienced

2239
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:15,600
animal control officers contact us, as

2240
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:17,960
well as Dr. Mark Dilworth, DVM, a highly

2241
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,880
respected veterinarian, who has publicly

2242
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:22,200
spoken out about how this was handled by

2243
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:24,200
the town of Aurora employees.

2244
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,960
The overly aggressive manner and lengthy

2245
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,640
strangling as people screamed for them

2246
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,720
to stop is forever playing over and over

2247
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:31,480
in my mind.

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01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:33,360
The event has forever changed us,

2249
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:35,800
leaving us deeply shaken, confused, and

2250
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:37,360
traumatized. Both my mother and I are in

2251
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,760
therapy, learning how to deal with what

2252
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,480
we witnessed and dealing with our own

2253
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:42,680
feelings of guilt that we have

2254
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:44,000
contributed to Heenu's death by trusting

2255
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:46,280
people that have no business in this

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01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:48,960
field.

2257
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:51,400
The killing of Heenu has galvanized many

2258
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:53,920
here and beyond. The entire situation

2259
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:55,680
from start until now has been so badly

2260
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:57,440
and coldly handled by the management of

2261
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,160
Aurora.

2262
01:33:57,440 --> 01:34:00,720
Trying to make uh he knew the guilty

2263
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:03,600
party in this scenario in order to

2264
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:06,320
protect yourselves has he left not just

2265
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:09,680
me but most of the individuals discussed

2266
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:11,520
it in Sodden. Our trust in

2267
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,680
Aurora Animal Control has been forever

2268
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,600
shaken.

2269
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,480
And with retaining K9 Foundations to be

2270
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:19,200
the independent investigator shows a

2271
01:34:17,480 --> 01:34:20,440
lack of goodwill and a pure desire for

2272
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,240
the truth.

2273
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:24,000
K9 Foundations and especially the two

2274
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:26,360
individuals identified to conduct the

2275
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:29,280
interviews and investigation are peers

2276
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:31,640
of Aurora Animal Control Services.

2277
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:33,160
They are not impartial in any way.

2278
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:35,160
They have also publicized record of

2279
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:37,440
using the Dog Owners Liability Act to

2280
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:39,480
Dola and which has been critic-

2281
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:41,800
criticized of unfairly punishing dogs

2282
01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:43,000
when zero aggression has been proven.

2283
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,200
The town of Aurora management has

2284
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,960
continued to be vague and

2285
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:49,120
non-transparent using a loud due process

2286
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,480
as the excuse. But the continued

2287
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:53,040
detachment is only deepening the

2288
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:54,560
feelings of anger and distrust.

2289
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,760
The anger and outrage from people is

2290
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:59,080
palpable. This is only growing as we

2291
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:01,240
look for justice for Himeu. I ask this

2292
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:03,160
council and this town's management to be

2293
01:35:01,240 --> 01:35:05,040
courageous and ask the difficult

2294
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:07,080
questions internally of hiring and

2295
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:08,920
training standards and of your crisis

2296
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:10,600
management approach to listen to what

2297
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:13,920
the constituents are saying and asking

2298
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,920
of you. Thank you.

2299
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,760
» Thank you, Bailey.

2300
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:24,320
Can I have a mover or seconder to

2301
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:24,320
receive and refer the comments?

2302
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:29,600
Councilor Lewis, Councilor Gilliland.

2303
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:32,200
Any questions or comments for the

2304
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,200
delegate?

2305
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:42,200
Seeing none.

2306
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:42,200
Councilor Lewis.

2307
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:49,840
» Um I want to thank you for the

2308
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:52,000
delegation and how difficult this is,

2309
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:54,400
how tram- traumatic it's been to your

2310
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:57,080
family and your friends.

2311
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:58,840
Um I want you to know that

2312
01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:00,080
this council

2313
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,200
hears you.

2314
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:04,360
And if I can just simply ask the

2315
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:07,800
question, what you're looking for is

2316
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:10,520
transparency on this and you want some

2317
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:12,440
something done in the near future and

2318
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:14,960
not have this drawn out because you're

2319
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:17,920
in in such trauma. Is that basically

2320
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:19,160
what you said here today?

2321
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,560
» Sorry, what was the question there,

2322
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:23,880
counselor Davis?

2323
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:26,600
» Are you you're really asking us to have

2324
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,160
transparency in this investigation?

2325
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,320
» Right.

2326
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:31,160
» Objectivity in the investigation and

2327
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,600
some

2328
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:34,680
have it done in a timely manner.

2329
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,320
» Gillen?

2330
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:38,520
» That's it.

2331
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:40,200
I appreciate that. I That's everybody's

2332
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:43,480
goal here, I believe.

2333
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:43,480
Thank you for the delegation.

2334
01:36:45,987 --> 01:36:48,760
» [clears throat]

2335
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:50,040
» Hey Steen, no further questions or

2336
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,320
comments.

2337
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:55,000
I'll call the vote on e-vote.

2338
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:55,000
Sorry, uh

2339
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,960
e-vote.

2340
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:18,840
» Councillor Gillenland, please.

2341
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,120
» Mr. Harris.

2342
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:36,640
That moves us into the consent agenda.

2343
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:39,040
Are there any items

2344
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:40,880
in the consent agenda section 7 to be

2345
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:44,760
pulled for

2346
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,760
separate discussion and voting?

2347
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:49,680
I'll start

2348
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:51,360
on my left of the screen.

2349
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,440
Councillor Gartner, do you have anything

2350
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:55,920
to pull from the consent agenda?

2351
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:59,400
Actually, you know what? I

2352
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,400
Sure, go ahead. Councillor Gartner.

2353
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,200
Sir, you're on mute.

2354
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:25,320
» Okay.

2355
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:27,360
So, we're talking about

2356
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:29,040
um

2357
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,880
» Section seven?

2358
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,640
» No, I have nothing from section seven.

2359
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:36,200
Thank you.

2360
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:36,200
» Thank you. Councillor Gallo.

2361
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:43,680
» Just have a question about 7.1.

2362
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,680
» Okay.

2363
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:54,280
Okay. Anything else that needs to be

2364
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:54,280
pulled in the consent agenda?

2365
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,160
Okay.

2366
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,960
So, may I have a motion to approve the

2367
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:03,600
remaining items that have not been

2368
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,600
pulled?

2369
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:08,760
Okay. Councillor Gallo, Councillor

2370
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,760
Thompson.

2371
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:13,640
All in favor?

2372
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:16,360
Actually, we need to

2373
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:16,360
e- scribe.

2374
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:40,040
Yeah, it carries.

2375
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:42,480
7.1, Councillor Gallo, would you like to

2376
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,480
move it?

2377
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,640
Okay. A seconder?

2378
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:54,080
Councillor Walsh.

2379
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:54,080
Go ahead, Councillor Gallo.

2380
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,960
Split up for a second.

2381
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:14,480
Um my question to you to staff, um under

2382
01:40:12,440 --> 01:40:17,360
call to order

2383
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:19,600
on the second page, page 16 the top,

2384
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:22,360
it refers [clears throat] to

2385
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:24,280
uh it says prior to consideration of

2386
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:26,840
community presentations 5.1 council

2387
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:28,480
consent to the wave the provisions of

2388
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,240
the procedural bylaw to permit

2389
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:34,400
additional delegations

2390
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:36,000
uh item 6.5 Yang Yu, owner of a new uh

2391
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,560
pet Rottweiler

2392
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:40,080
the death.

2393
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:41,400
Uh my question is there was a uh a

2394
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:44,600
motion,

2395
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:48,160
a secondary, and a vote to that. And why

2396
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:48,160
is that not part of the minutes?

2397
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,800
And clerk?

2398
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:58,640
» Thank you, uh

2399
01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:02,120
Mr. Chair. So, Councillor Gallo, I can

2400
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:05,200
review the video from the May 26th

2401
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:06,520
meeting and make an amendments to the

2402
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,280
minutes.

2403
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:11,120
Um

2404
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:13,360
if so if the motion was missed, but um

2405
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:15,200
if there was a mover, a secondary, and a

2406
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:17,440
vote was called, it should be recorded

2407
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:19,360
in the minutes.

2408
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:21,440
» Okay. I I've reviewed the video and

2409
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:24,680
there is, but I'll wait for you to make

2410
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:24,680
those adjustments. That was it.

2411
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:31,920
» Okay. Any other comments or questions on

2412
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,920
item 7.1?

2413
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:38,640
Seeing none.

2414
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,600
» Um excuse me.

2415
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:42,080
» Councillor Gallo.

2416
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:44,920
» Council Kim, I'm sorry. What did you Are

2417
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:46,520
you asking for anything in the eights?

2418
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:47,840
» Uh, no, yeah, we're just holding on.

2419
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:48,920
7.5.

2420
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:52,440
» Thank you.

2421
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:55,760
» Okay. So, it'll be on key vote.

2422
01:41:52,440 --> 01:41:55,760
I'm sorry, uh, e-scribe.

2423
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,520
That carries.

2424
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:22,680
Okay, moving on to

2425
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:27,200
agenda items uh, our section eight

2426
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:28,400
community whole meeting report, June

2427
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:29,400
2nd.

2428
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:33,360
Um,

2429
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:35,760
any items in section eight to be pulled

2430
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:36,920
for separate discussion?

2431
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,960
And

2432
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:41,520
just remember any new comments or

2433
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:43,160
questions that we haven't discussed in

2434
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,800
community the whole.

2435
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:46,680
Um,

2436
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,160
you know, Council Gardner, you normally

2437
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:51,160
pull something. So, if you don't mind,

2438
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:53,640
I'll just go to you first.

2439
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:57,080
» Um,

2440
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:57,080
uh, 8.2.3.

2441
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,720
8.5.1.

2442
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,520
8.8.1.

2443
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:16,360
8.8.3.

2444
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:21,520
» Okay.

2445
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:30,400
Anyone else

2446
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:30,400
needing anything to be pulled?

2447
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,440
» I do.

2448
01:43:33,160 --> 01:43:35,560
» Councillor Weeks?

2449
01:43:34,440 --> 01:43:38,041
» Yes.

2450
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:38,041
8.4.1 [clears throat]

2451
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,800
8.8.2

2452
01:43:41,916 --> 01:43:46,000
» [clears throat]

2453
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,000
» Okay.

2454
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:53,320
Anyone else?

2455
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,720
» Could you read out what's been pulled,

2456
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:58,000
please?

2457
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,000
» Sure.

2458
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,040
8.2.3

2459
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,280
8.4.1

2460
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,240
8.5.1

2461
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:18,960
8.8.1

2462
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:21,280
8.8.2

2463
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:23,120
and 8.8.

2464
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:27,120
3

2465
01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:30,120
» Um could you add 8.

2466
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,120
5.2

2467
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:36,240
» Okay. 8.5.2

2468
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:38,080
» Thank you.

2469
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:40,840
» Mr. Chair, could you add

2470
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:44,040
8.4.2, please?

2471
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:44,040
» Okay. 8.4.2

2472
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:01,440
» Mr. Chair, can you uh

2473
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:04,000
list for me the the items that were not

2474
01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:04,000
pulled?

2475
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:10,480
» Um of course.

2476
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:12,360
I I see Councillor Thompson and

2477
01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:14,520
Councillor Gillan with their hand up,

2478
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:16,000
but I can read out the ones that were

2479
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:17,400
not pulled.

2480
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:21,640
» Okay.

2481
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:23,960
» Is that the is Okay. It's 8.1.

2482
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:25,960
1 8.2.1

2483
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:27,840
8.2.2

2484
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:30,840
8.2.4

2485
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,840
8.2.5

2486
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:35,800
8.7.1,

2487
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:38,800
8.7.2,

2488
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:38,800
8.8.4.

2489
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:43,520
Or that's it for this section 8.

2490
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:45,600
» Okay.

2491
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:48,480
Councilor Thompson.

2492
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:50,560
» Can you pull 8.8.4, please?

2493
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,560
» Okay.

2494
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:02,600
Okay.

2495
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:05,520
Uh Heather, did you say anyone else

2496
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:05,520
raised their hands?

2497
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,120
» I believe I saw Councilor Gilliland's

2498
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,560
hand up.

2499
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:11,840
» Councilor Okay, go ahead, Councilor

2500
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:13,560
Gilliland.

2501
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:15,480
» Uh thank you. I think

2502
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:17,400
everything's been pulled.

2503
01:46:15,480 --> 01:46:19,920
I just hope that we're

2504
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:21,440
not going to be repeating ourselves

2505
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,920
based on what we all discussed last

2506
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:27,280
week. Um hopefully it's uh kept to new

2507
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,280
information. Thanks.

2508
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:33,880
» For the remaining items,

2509
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:36,720
um

2510
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,720
not pulled.

2511
01:46:37,480 --> 01:46:41,960
So, first can I can I have a motion to

2512
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:49,000
approve the remaining items? That's

2513
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:51,960
8.1.1, 8.2.1, 8.2.2, 8.2.4, 8.2.5,

2514
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:54,520
8.7.1, 8.7.2,

2515
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:55,840
and 8.8.2.

2516
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:57,520
They were not pulled for separate

2517
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:59,720
discussion. Can I have a mover and a

2518
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:01,800
seconder, please? Councilor Gilliland.

2519
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:03,200
» Excuse me.

2520
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,960
» Councilor Gilliland.

2521
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:07,160
Yes, Councilor Gardner.

2522
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:09,160
» I'm sorry for interrupting. I believe

2523
01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,640
8.8.2

2524
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,680
was pulled.

2525
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:12,800
» Yes, that was pulled.

2526
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:14,120
» Okay, thank you.

2527
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,680
» Okay.

2528
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:16,960
Okay, so for those items that were not

2529
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:18,880
pulled,

2530
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,080
um all in favor?

2531
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:23,360
Uh actually, we'll

2532
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:23,360
do the e-scribe. Sorry.

2533
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:35,280
» Pardon me, um

2534
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:36,840
Mr. Chair, we are missing a seconder. I

2535
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:38,400
believe Councillor Gilliland was the

2536
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,800
mover.

2537
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:42,160
» I think it was Councillor Gallo, I

2538
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,160
believe.

2539
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:28,680
Okay, that carries.

2540
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:38,040
So, if everyone is in agreement, I would

2541
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:41,840
like to

2542
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:44,040
discuss 8.8.2 first given the amount of

2543
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:45,760
delegation on that topic.

2544
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:47,840
So, if

2545
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:50,400
» Thank you.

2546
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:52,760
» If everyone is in agreement, we'll

2547
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:55,840
discuss that first. Can I have a mover

2548
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:55,840
and a seconder, please?

2549
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,680
Councillor Gilliland

2550
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:10,000
Can I have a seconder? Oh, Councillor

2551
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:10,000
Lewis.

2552
01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:12,520
Thank you.

2553
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:17,880
Questions or comments on the

2554
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:22,920
Councilor Wese?

2555
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:25,360
» Uh yes, I

2556
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:27,520
Thank you for bringing this forward on

2557
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,920
behalf of the

2558
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,760
the residents.

2559
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:31,680
As [clears throat] I said, I wanted to

2560
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,480
thank the architects for all the time

2561
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:34,680
that they've had on this.

2562
01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:36,040
Um

2563
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:38,080
They've shown a willingness to listen to

2564
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:41,040
the council and the adjustments to make

2565
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:42,840
the application reduce density and to

2566
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:45,480
set back the setbacks with respect to

2567
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:48,120
traffic flow, etc. With the emergency

2568
01:49:45,480 --> 01:49:49,880
route on Old Young

2569
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:51,600
However, there is a number of items that

2570
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:54,320
remain that the delegates did a

2571
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:56,480
fantastic job of bringing forward.

2572
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:58,840
Um I'm certainly concerned with the

2573
01:49:56,480 --> 01:50:00,320
traffic flow in this high commuter area.

2574
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:02,080
It was brought up.

2575
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:03,760
Um there was a discussion about a

2576
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,800
traffic study

2577
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:08,880
that was asked for, but it didn't

2578
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:11,840
appear. I think the delegate

2579
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:14,640
um the planner suggested that a traffic

2580
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:16,480
study was done by the region, and it but

2581
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:18,800
there hasn't been one I don't think done

2582
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:20,880
by the town. So, I'd like to

2583
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:22,960
uh ask the staff

2584
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:25,560
while we're here, if there hasn't in

2585
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:28,320
fact been a traffic study about Young

2586
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:31,480
Street, particularly about the right in

2587
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:33,840
and right out that it may have on Old

2588
01:50:31,480 --> 01:50:37,480
Young Old Young Street itself. So,

2589
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:39,720
through you to uh perhaps Mr. Ramuno. I

2590
01:50:37,480 --> 01:50:41,920
don't know if uh

2591
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:44,000
Ms. Fleming is on. I don't know what

2592
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:46,440
who's on tonight. So,

2593
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,440
through you.

2594
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:51,880
» Is there any staff member who can

2595
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:51,880
respond to that, please?

2596
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:57,120
» Certainly, through you, Mr. Chair. Um

2597
01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:59,320
Councilor

2598
01:50:57,120 --> 01:51:02,080
Wese, yes, the traffic study has been

2599
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:03,880
completed, and as the applicant

2600
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:06,280
identified, a number of different

2601
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:07,920
background studies have been reviewed by

2602
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:10,080
uh not only town staff, but regional

2603
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:12,920
staff. So, as that portion of Young

2604
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:14,640
Street and where the existing driveway

2605
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:17,040
is is under the jurisdiction of the

2606
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:19,880
region. They took a close close look at

2607
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:21,200
the uh uh the traffic study in that

2608
01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:23,480
intersection design. One of the

2609
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:25,880
conditions that the region is imposing

2610
01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:28,360
on all new developments with access onto

2611
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:31,240
regional road is to restrict uh turning

2612
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:33,360
movements into to a right in right out

2613
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:35,880
uh situation. So, uh they have no

2614
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:37,800
objection to the uh proposal and the

2615
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:40,520
design of that access. Again, it's not

2616
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:42,040
really going to change. It is where uh

2617
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:44,280
you know, it's the existing access. I

2618
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:47,520
just want to remind council that served

2619
01:51:44,280 --> 01:51:49,320
the uh existing uh you know, restaurant,

2620
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,520
the old Oakland Hall, which has a

2621
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:53,440
commercial designation on that property

2622
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:55,240
of 1600

2623
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:57,320
Old Young Street. It was there for

2624
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:59,880
years. So, it has a commercial

2625
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:02,480
designation and zoning. Uh that driveway

2626
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:04,880
served that um uh that establishment,

2627
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:07,840
and it will uh it will be the main

2628
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:10,520
access uh for this proposed development.

2629
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:11,760
The Old Young Street access is strictly

2630
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:14,320
a uh

2631
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:17,400
emergency access, similar to uh um the

2632
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:19,400
emergency access that it was uh there to

2633
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:21,120
that served the uh Oakland Hall

2634
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:23,720
restaurant.

2635
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:25,520
» Thank you. Uh that answers the question.

2636
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:27,640
I I haven't seen the study, and it

2637
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:30,120
wasn't in the report, but yeah, I trust

2638
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:31,520
that you you have done it, and staff has

2639
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:32,800
looked at it.

2640
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,720
Um

2641
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:36,920
the sidewalk issue and pedestrian

2642
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:37,840
connectivity still remains a problem for

2643
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:39,920
me,

2644
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:42,680
uh as well as the safety.

2645
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:44,760
And the delegate, uh Mr. Kamal,

2646
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:48,800
mentioned that

2647
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:53,000
there was a right of way or a sidewalk

2648
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:54,200
um right of way on Young Street on the

2649
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:55,680
uh

2650
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:59,480
east side

2651
01:52:55,680 --> 01:53:01,000
that is either being planned, or he made

2652
01:52:59,480 --> 01:53:03,280
reference to it, and it's the first time

2653
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:05,880
I've heard it. So, could you

2654
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:07,640
tell me a little bit about that, because

2655
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:10,520
it's really at the heart of the regional

2656
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:13,080
corridor which is at issue here

2657
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:16,000
um because the regional corridor should

2658
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:18,920
have the infrastructure available for it

2659
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:20,120
and it's not there now. So my question

2660
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:20,880
is

2661
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:23,680
um

2662
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:28,360
where are we with respect to the

2663
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:31,960
sidewalk that will be important for uh

2664
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:35,880
resident movement or transit uh going

2665
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:35,880
particularly going north.

2666
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:38,640
» Mr. Lumina?

2667
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:40,840
» Through through you sir, Mr. Lumina I

2668
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:43,320
assume.

2669
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:46,120
» Certainly through you uh

2670
01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:48,080
Chair uh Kim. So the question of the

2671
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:50,680
sidewalk um

2672
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:52,880
there is an existing sidewalk on the old

2673
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:54,200
on the east side of Old Yonge Street. Uh

2674
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:56,360
what the uh

2675
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:58,200
uh Mr. Kamal mentioned was as part of

2676
01:53:56,360 --> 01:54:00,320
the future site plan application if

2677
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:02,000
Council were to approve the OP and

2678
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:04,320
zoning application, the next step would

2679
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:06,240
be for the applicant to submit a formal

2680
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:09,320
site plan application where we'll deal

2681
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:11,400
with some of the engineering and uh

2682
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:13,920
uh architectural details. That's where

2683
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:17,160
we would impose a condition on that site

2684
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:19,840
plan for the construction of a uh a

2685
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:22,560
sidewalk along the west side of Old

2686
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:26,320
Yonge along the frontage of the subject

2687
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:28,240
lands um out to the existing sidewalk

2688
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:32,480
along St. John's. So that would provide

2689
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:35,120
then um that uh pathway for you know any

2690
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:38,040
residents on the west side of Old Yonge

2691
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:39,840
to go uh north to uh St. John's and then

2692
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:43,160
west to the intersection at Yonge and

2693
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:46,120
St. John's and cross uh to the west side

2694
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:47,720
of uh Yonge Street where there is a uh

2695
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:49,280
you know a sidewalk and a trail system

2696
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:51,760
cuz currently on east side of Yonge

2697
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:53,760
Street proper there isn't a proper

2698
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:56,120
sidewalk, there is just that you know

2699
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:58,720
little strip of asphalt uh along the

2700
01:54:56,120 --> 01:55:00,960
curb along the curb lane.

2701
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:02,760
But that would be a condition of uh plan

2702
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,960
that we would impose at a future

2703
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:04,520
» Yes, I'm

2704
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:06,440
» Aware of that and thank you for that,

2705
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:09,000
but what I'm really thinking about with

2706
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:11,160
with the regional corridor because the

2707
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:13,840
um the requirement there is to have some

2708
01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:16,480
sidewalk infrastructure that would be on

2709
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:19,200
the east side of Yonge Street.

2710
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:22,240
There's no way for people to have any

2711
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:23,760
pedestrian access on the east side of

2712
01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:27,520
Yonge Street cuz there's no sidewalk

2713
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:29,840
there and the the delegate made mention

2714
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:30,880
that they had

2715
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:33,520
uh

2716
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:37,520
uh have a a right of way, I think, about

2717
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:39,760
4 m, he said, there, but my question to

2718
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:41,520
you is and I'm I'm happy to see that

2719
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:45,000
because there's space for it, but is

2720
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:47,200
there space for that 4-m right of way

2721
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:49,920
uh as you go north because that's all

2722
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:52,200
environmentally protected land. So, I I

2723
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:54,640
have a difficulty seeing how 4 m are

2724
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:57,240
going to be pulled off of the roadway

2725
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:59,240
and and and encroach on that

2726
01:55:57,240 --> 01:56:00,640
environmental land unless I'm mistaken

2727
01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:02,840
on that. Can you help me with that

2728
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:04,440
through your um

2729
01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:05,520
Councilor Kim?

2730
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:07,440
» Mr. Mayor.

2731
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:09,040
» Yes, through you, Mr. uh

2732
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:11,520
Mr. Chair. So, no, the applicant was

2733
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:14,760
speaking to a uh of I think he mentioned

2734
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:16,800
a 4-m 4.5-m right of way that the town

2735
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:19,240
would take along the frontage of the

2736
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:21,120
subject lands um

2737
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:23,560
uh along Old Yonge Street, not Yonge

2738
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:26,200
Street. Old Yonge Street. So, that's

2739
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:29,240
where we would then secure land for a

2740
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:30,040
sidewalk along Old Yonge Street.

2741
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:30,520
» Okay, I was just

2742
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:33,240
» Excuse me.

2743
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:34,480
» Uh the region has region has no plans

2744
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:35,240
for a

2745
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:35,920
uh

2746
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:38,400
uh

2747
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:40,520
for reconstruction of uh Yonge Street

2748
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:43,360
proper at this point, but it is one of

2749
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:45,200
their, you know, future uh projects if

2750
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:49,720
uh for the next phase of the

2751
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:51,920
uh Viva dedicated uh transitway.

2752
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:53,520
» Okay. Um

2753
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:57,000
I know what we're doing in the south of

2754
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:58,800
Aurora with the regional corridors.

2755
01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:01,240
And there seems to be some discussion

2756
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:04,640
about the regional corridor here

2757
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:08,240
and density as well as the servicing of

2758
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:09,720
the regional corridor on the east side

2759
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:12,600
of Yonge Street.

2760
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:15,840
So, um

2761
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:17,680
I I know the the problem we have here is

2762
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,000
we're trying to

2763
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:20,720
impose

2764
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:23,240
regional corridor

2765
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:25,760
density etc. on this side, but we don't

2766
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:28,120
really have a true regional corridor.

2767
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:29,040
So, and I have a bit of a problem with

2768
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:31,440
that.

2769
01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:31,440
Um

2770
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:36,200
The other issue that I have bring

2771
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:38,000
forward is the compatibility

2772
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:39,440
issue with the neighborhood and the

2773
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:41,320
transition.

2774
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:44,200
I mean, we're going in that whole area

2775
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:46,920
we have a lot of single family homes.

2776
01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:49,200
And as a result of that, we are have

2777
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:52,680
this large building over on the other

2778
01:57:49,200 --> 01:57:55,200
side where there's no transition at all.

2779
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:59,800
And so, I understand where they come

2780
01:57:55,200 --> 01:58:02,440
from. Their their neighborhood has a

2781
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:05,520
single family dwellings typically in

2782
01:58:02,440 --> 01:58:07,920
that area, and now we're

2783
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:10,320
we're looking at increased density

2784
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:13,840
through regional corridor. So,

2785
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:16,280
um I understand their problem with this.

2786
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:19,160
Um I also have a problem with the

2787
01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:21,320
intersection at um

2788
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:24,240
at Yonge and St. Johns.

2789
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:27,520
I mean, what we have now is 65 St. Johns

2790
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:29,080
that has a number of new uh development

2791
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:31,520
that's underway.

2792
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:33,840
And we're talking about 148

2793
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:36,480
people here. We know that there's

2794
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:39,000
something on the north side of St. Johns

2795
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:41,760
in the old Allen lot area, but we

2796
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:42,920
haven't seen an application as yet.

2797
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,200
And I

2798
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:47,760
I really feel that the

2799
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:49,960
traffic safety is going to be an issue

2800
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:53,600
in that area. And if it's not an issue

2801
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:55,120
now, it will be in the future. And

2802
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:56,960
before I leave,

2803
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:59,800
what I want to make a comment about is

2804
01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:02,000
something that we always have a comment

2805
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:05,400
about and about and it's never

2806
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:06,800
accomplished is the whole issue of

2807
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:08,960
affordability.

2808
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:11,400
We haven't had any of

2809
01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:14,000
this being considered affordable, have

2810
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:18,200
we? Has the developer come to you and

2811
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:20,840
said that he wants to do even 10%, not

2812
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:22,640
even meeting the 25% of a official plan

2813
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:25,160
was being affordable. Has there been any

2814
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:28,920
chance to take some of these units and

2815
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:31,400
try to help make them affordable or

2816
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:32,360
using the 30%

2817
01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:36,080
of

2818
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:38,240
the gross income of an individual?

2819
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:39,640
Through you, Mr. Ramundo, I just want to

2820
01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:41,600
know if there's been a discussion about

2821
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:43,320
affordability.

2822
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:47,120
» Mr. Ramundo?

2823
01:59:43,320 --> 01:59:50,000
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, Council Luis,

2824
01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:52,200
and we always have that discussion

2825
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:54,000
when an applicant comes in with a

2826
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:55,440
a formal site plan application, so we

2827
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:58,400
can deal we can

2828
01:59:55,440 --> 02:00:00,640
deal with the the actual details of unit

2829
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:01,920
sizes and how they're configured. So,

2830
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:04,640
that's certainly something that the

2831
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:06,840
applicant is aware of moving forward.

2832
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:08,320
But, just based on

2833
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:10,240
rationale laid out in

2834
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:12,200
in our staff report, you know, we

2835
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:14,480
identify this type of built form as

2836
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:15,640
providing the additional opportunities

2837
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:18,640
for

2838
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:21,040
varying unit housing types and smaller

2839
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:23,400
units.

2840
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:25,360
» Mr. Luis?

2841
02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:26,640
» All right. I'll I'll take that as a no

2842
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:28,640
because

2843
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:30,760
unless we have it in writing and we have

2844
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:32,240
it that they're interested in doing it,

2845
02:00:30,760 --> 02:00:33,920
it's not going to be affordable

2846
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:36,720
according to our

2847
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:39,400
affordability index. So, thank you.

2848
02:00:36,720 --> 02:00:39,400
That's all I have.

2849
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:46,920
» Anyone else with comments or questions?

2850
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:51,960
Mr. Yellin?

2851
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:55,080
» Thank you.

2852
02:00:51,960 --> 02:00:55,080
Um just to the uh

2853
02:00:56,080 --> 02:01:01,880
sidewalk issue.

2854
02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:01,880
Is there Is there a echo?

2855
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:07,120
I don't hear anything.

2856
02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:13,000
» Okay, hold on.

2857
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:25,520
» Sorry. Okay. Just to the uh sidewalk

2858
02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:28,000
issue.

2859
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:29,480
Um

2860
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:31,640
I I've heard that there's a

2861
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:33,760
right-of-way. I've heard that there's an

2862
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:36,080
an interest in doing it. I understand

2863
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:37,440
it's probably done through the site plan

2864
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:40,000
process,

2865
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:41,600
um but I I haven't heard

2866
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:45,000
uh with any

2867
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:47,000
certainty who's going to pay for it.

2868
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:48,240
Uh through you, Mr. Chair, through Mr.

2869
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:49,640
Romulo,

2870
02:01:48,240 --> 02:01:51,600
um

2871
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:53,480
is the intent

2872
02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:56,280
as

2873
02:01:53,480 --> 02:02:00,160
we no longer deal with site plans,

2874
02:01:56,280 --> 02:02:02,720
uh that the developer will be paying for

2875
02:02:00,160 --> 02:02:02,720
that sidewalk.

2876
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:05,600
Mr. Romulo.

2877
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:07,760
» Uh

2878
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:09,080
through you, Mr. Chair, Council Gallo.

2879
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:11,120
Yes, so I think what you heard the

2880
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:13,400
applicant say is they've already set

2881
02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:15,200
aside the land requirement, the land

2882
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:17,760
that frontage. That would be a condition

2883
02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:19,640
of approval. Um he mentioned about, you

2884
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:22,080
know, perhaps having a discussion about

2885
02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:24,480
sharing the cost, but, you know, what my

2886
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:27,080
condition moving forward would be that

2887
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:29,200
uh the this application, this applicant,

2888
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:31,320
if it's approved at the site plan stage,

2889
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:33,160
then not only would they give the

2890
02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:35,640
uh provide the land, but it would also

2891
02:02:33,160 --> 02:02:37,520
be their cost to construct the the

2892
02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:41,080
sidewalk at the time of the construction

2893
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:41,080
of the proposal.

2894
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:46,920
» And sorry, through you to Mr. to Mr.

2895
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:48,240
Ramuno, how do we ensure that that

2896
02:02:46,920 --> 02:02:50,040
happens?

2897
02:02:48,240 --> 02:02:51,560
Um

2898
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:53,200
Do you need something from us because

2899
02:02:51,560 --> 02:02:56,400
I'm prepared to make an amendment to

2900
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:58,680
that uh extent if if necessary.

2901
02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:00,840
Um if you'll go on record saying that

2902
02:02:58,680 --> 02:03:03,280
once you approve the site plan that it's

2903
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:04,600
a condition that they are responsible to

2904
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:07,120
pay for that, then

2905
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:08,440
I'll be satisfied with that.

2906
02:03:07,120 --> 02:03:09,880
» Mr. Ramuno?

2907
02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:11,880
» Through you, Mr. uh

2908
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:13,880
um chair, yes. Yes, no, you've heard me

2909
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:16,240
and this is sort of a typical condition

2910
02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:18,520
that we would impose and uh it would

2911
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:21,120
also be at the expense of expense of the

2912
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:21,120
applicant.

2913
02:03:22,160 --> 02:03:25,520
So, no need for a uh you know,

2914
02:03:23,600 --> 02:03:27,680
direction. I've I've heard counsel, but

2915
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:30,560
it's something that uh staff was was

2916
02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:30,560
already considering.

2917
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:34,560
» That's it for now, Mr. Chair.

2918
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:40,800
» Thank you. Uh

2919
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:40,800
Councillor Waite for a second time.

2920
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:50,640
» Thank you. And along that same line, uh

2921
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:53,640
we had a discussion before about the um

2922
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:54,880
pedestrian walkway crosswalk at Old

2923
02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:57,760
Yonge

2924
02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:59,480
uh because the um

2925
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:02,400
residents there are going to be using

2926
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:04,320
that as a front door and pedestrian uh

2927
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:06,680
exit and entrance.

2928
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:09,480
Uh but there's no safe way to get across

2929
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:12,160
a busy road such as Old Yonge. So, my

2930
02:04:09,480 --> 02:04:15,600
question is uh we had that discussion

2931
02:04:12,160 --> 02:04:18,200
about uh a crosswalk not necessarily

2932
02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:20,160
signalized, but at least lit that would

2933
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:22,240
be at the uh

2934
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:23,800
um at the expense

2935
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:25,280
of the

2936
02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:28,000
uh developer.

2937
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:30,400
And it can be anywhere, but as as long

2938
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:32,760
as it attaches to the sidewalk that

2939
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:37,280
Councillor Gallaway is talking about and

2940
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:39,480
will have safe access across Old Yonge

2941
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:41,120
to the east side.

2942
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:44,640
So, through you

2943
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:47,480
to Mr. Ramuno, whether that conversation

2944
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:47,480
has happened.

2945
02:04:47,720 --> 02:04:51,360
» Ramuno?

2946
02:04:49,160 --> 02:04:52,640
Through you, Mr. Chair. Yes, and as you

2947
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:55,120
know, our engineering staff are

2948
02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:58,240
conducting a a town-wide pedestrian

2949
02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:59,560
crossing study. So, they're looking at

2950
02:04:58,240 --> 02:05:02,240
potential

2951
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:03,760
areas in town for a pedestrian

2952
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:07,640
crosswalk

2953
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:09,680
crosswalks. Um I can't say I can't say

2954
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:11,360
to council now whether, you know, a

2955
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:12,760
crosswalk would be warranted in this

2956
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:14,440
location, but it's something that we'll

2957
02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:16,640
certainly look at. The other thing to

2958
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:18,120
keep in mind is I think, you know, uh

2959
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:20,880
community and council is aware that the

2960
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:22,640
region has initiated a pilot project

2961
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:24,880
over a year ago with respect to

2962
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:26,120
restricting left-hand turn movements

2963
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:29,800
from

2964
02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:31,560
Old Yonge onto St. John's. Um and, you

2965
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:35,240
know, they'll they'll be looking at

2966
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:37,240
moving forward with perhaps longer-term

2967
02:05:35,240 --> 02:05:39,000
uh turn restrictions in that location as

2968
02:05:37,240 --> 02:05:40,120
well. So, it's something that we're

2969
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:42,080
speaking to the region about with

2970
02:05:40,120 --> 02:05:43,800
respect to

2971
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:45,520
that intersection, but our staff are

2972
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:48,560
looking at

2973
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:50,280
town-wide pedestrian crossing study.

2974
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:52,760
» Thank you.

2975
02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:52,760
» Nothing.

2976
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:59,720
» Thank you. Uh

2977
02:05:56,040 --> 02:05:59,720
Anyone else with comments or questions?

2978
02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:04,280
Okay.

2979
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:07,960
I'll call the vote.

2980
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:08,520
» Excuse me. Excuse me, Mr. Chair.

2981
02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:09,922
» Yes.

2982
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:10,920
» Hi.

2983
02:06:09,922 --> 02:06:14,960
» [clears throat]

2984
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:14,960
» Um I do have some comments.

2985
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:23,000
I I think that the developer has done

2986
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:25,520
everything they can

2987
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:28,120
to

2988
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:30,640
make this building

2989
02:06:28,120 --> 02:06:32,240
as good as it can be to fit in with the

2990
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:35,320
neighborhood.

2991
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:37,240
Um, they've gone to unusual

2992
02:06:35,320 --> 02:06:40,080
lengths.

2993
02:06:37,240 --> 02:06:42,320
But, there's a basic fact, and the basic

2994
02:06:40,080 --> 02:06:43,640
fact is that

2995
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:46,880
this

2996
02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:49,120
building is too large

2997
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:51,080
for this neighborhood. There's no

2998
02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:54,000
compatibility with the neighborhood.

2999
02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:58,320
There's no transition.

3000
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:59,840
Um, it is not certainly doesn't fit the

3001
02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:03,280
intent

3002
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:05,200
of the regional transit corridor.

3003
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:07,560
And, um

3004
02:07:05,200 --> 02:07:09,720
Mr. Romano, I can't find the email, was

3005
02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:13,720
talking to us about how our current

3006
02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:13,720
bylaw is, um

3007
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:20,160
is based on greenfield development, and

3008
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:23,240
now we're moving into a new phase,

3009
02:07:20,160 --> 02:07:25,760
more urban development. Well,

3010
02:07:23,240 --> 02:07:27,160
we always go by the bylaw that's in

3011
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:29,200
place.

3012
02:07:27,160 --> 02:07:30,560
I've been asking for the bylaws to be

3013
02:07:29,200 --> 02:07:32,240
changed.

3014
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:34,120
I don't

3015
02:07:32,240 --> 02:07:35,880
I would say a couple of years with

3016
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:39,440
respect to

3017
02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:41,320
the the accessory dwellings

3018
02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:44,560
on, uh

3019
02:07:41,320 --> 02:07:47,360
in the stable neighborhood area.

3020
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:50,120
Anyway, we don't we have this bylaw, and

3021
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:52,280
this bylaw is what we have to go on.

3022
02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:55,720
And, this development

3023
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:58,320
does not conform to this bylaw.

3024
02:07:55,720 --> 02:08:00,000
And, it doesn't conform to the York

3025
02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:02,080
region

3026
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:03,080
corridor policy. It It's just that

3027
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:05,040
simple.

3028
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:07,600
And then, if we add on to that all the

3029
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:10,120
comments from

3030
02:08:07,600 --> 02:08:11,120
the residents in the neighborhood,

3031
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:13,040
uh

3032
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:16,000
I There's

3033
02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:18,520
I don't see how we could possibly

3034
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:21,280
approve this development.

3035
02:08:18,520 --> 02:08:21,280
So,

3036
02:08:22,240 --> 02:08:27,560
I thank the developer. I Really, they've

3037
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:29,320
done amazing work. It's just This is not

3038
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:30,760
not the right property for that

3039
02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:33,240
building.

3040
02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:33,240
Thank you.

3041
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:39,880
» Thank you, Councillor Gardner.

3042
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:42,560
Anyone else with any further questions

3043
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:42,560
or comments?

3044
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:48,360
Seeing none, I'll call the vote on East

3045
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:48,360
Grant.

3046
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:11,240
That carries.

3047
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:17,160
Case closed.

3048
02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:19,640
We are past our health break. Uh it's

3049
02:09:17,160 --> 02:09:24,600
9:10, so we will take our 10-minute

3050
02:09:19,640 --> 02:09:27,040
health break and we will return at 9:20.

3051
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:27,040
Thank you.

3052
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:11,920
» Mhm.

3053
02:18:04,760 --> 02:18:06,920
» Mhm.

3054
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:03,360
» Okay, the 10 minutes are up.

3055
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:04,880
If you're back at your desk, if you

3056
02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:08,360
could put your

3057
02:19:04,880 --> 02:19:08,360
your video on please.

3058
02:19:17,679 --> 02:19:20,679
» I think John's back.

3059
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:25,719
At least he's over there.

3060
02:19:26,559 --> 02:19:29,200
» Okay, thank you.

3061
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:38,360
» Enjoy the rest of your meeting

3062
02:19:36,120 --> 02:19:38,360
here.

3063
02:19:51,440 --> 02:19:56,040
» Is everybody back here?

3064
02:19:54,120 --> 02:19:59,800
» I haven't seen it.

3065
02:19:56,040 --> 02:20:04,680
» I see three videos on. I think uh one

3066
02:19:59,800 --> 02:20:04,680
three videos on. I need one more.

3067
02:20:05,880 --> 02:20:08,680
» Oh, I see.

3068
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:15,160
You, John.

3069
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:15,160
Nicholas is here.

3070
02:20:17,320 --> 02:20:20,320
» My audio is on.

3071
02:20:22,680 --> 02:20:25,720
» Wendy just stepped out, so she should be

3072
02:20:24,440 --> 02:20:28,760
back very soon.

3073
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:28,760
I don't know where Rachel is.

3074
02:20:29,880 --> 02:20:34,280
» Can you turn on your video, Councillor

3075
02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:34,280
Wase?

3076
02:20:38,120 --> 02:20:41,440
» Yeah, I'll put my video on. Okay.

3077
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:46,720
» There you go.

3078
02:20:48,520 --> 02:20:52,120
» Councillor Yarrow is back.

3079
02:20:50,520 --> 02:20:53,880
» Okay.

3080
02:20:52,120 --> 02:20:55,280
» Can you put your video put your video

3081
02:20:53,880 --> 02:20:58,120
on? That's how he's telling whether

3082
02:20:55,280 --> 02:20:58,120
we're in our seats.

3083
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:04,080
» We'll move on

3084
02:21:01,560 --> 02:21:05,480
to

3085
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:08,480
» The volume.

3086
02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:08,480
» 8.2.3

3087
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:14,120
I believe Councillor Gardner, if you

3088
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:17,400
pull that

3089
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:17,400
» Uh yes.

3090
02:21:19,640 --> 02:21:23,640
I have four minutes.

3091
02:21:21,680 --> 02:21:25,400
» Yeah, would you like to move it?

3092
02:21:23,640 --> 02:21:27,840
» One.

3093
02:21:25,400 --> 02:21:31,360
» I will.

3094
02:21:27,840 --> 02:21:31,360
» Okay, and a secondary, please?

3095
02:21:35,440 --> 02:21:39,920
Okay, Councillor

3096
02:21:37,040 --> 02:21:39,920
Wase, thank you.

3097
02:21:40,480 --> 02:21:44,120
Okay, go ahead, Councillor Gardner.

3098
02:21:50,040 --> 02:21:52,600
» I'm mute.

3099
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:55,000
» Okay.

3100
02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:57,560
Um

3101
02:21:55,000 --> 02:21:59,640
Is Mr. Serio uh

3102
02:21:57,560 --> 02:22:02,120
in attendance?

3103
02:21:59,640 --> 02:22:04,240
» Yes, he is.

3104
02:22:02,120 --> 02:22:06,400
» Great.

3105
02:22:04,240 --> 02:22:08,000
Thank you.

3106
02:22:06,400 --> 02:22:10,920
Um,

3107
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:13,440
through Mr. Chair,

3108
02:22:10,920 --> 02:22:14,560
I've had some

3109
02:22:13,440 --> 02:22:17,200
uh

3110
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:20,040
some confusion, I'll say,

3111
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:24,000
about our long-term

3112
02:22:20,040 --> 02:22:25,360
asset management funding strategy.

3113
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:29,280
So,

3114
02:22:25,360 --> 02:22:31,480
for clarity, this is what I take it as.

3115
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:34,720
That

3116
02:22:31,480 --> 02:22:39,400
we are for the next 4 years,

3117
02:22:34,720 --> 02:22:42,960
the these strategy is to increase

3118
02:22:39,400 --> 02:22:46,760
the budget by 0.25

3119
02:22:42,960 --> 02:22:46,760
for each of the next 4 years.

3120
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:51,160
And

3121
02:22:48,800 --> 02:22:52,560
at that point, we will be

3122
02:22:51,160 --> 02:22:54,840
uh

3123
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:58,520
putting 2%

3124
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:59,960
on the tax levy for

3125
02:22:58,520 --> 02:23:03,080
um

3126
02:22:59,960 --> 02:23:06,640
for infrastructure needs.

3127
02:23:03,080 --> 02:23:10,360
And then after that, say

3128
02:23:06,640 --> 02:23:14,160
uh we we need to I'm sorry, this is not

3129
02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:16,480
This is not Mr. Serio. I'm so sorry.

3130
02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:17,560
Uh this is

3131
02:23:16,480 --> 02:23:18,360
um

3132
02:23:17,560 --> 02:23:20,760
This

3133
02:23:18,360 --> 02:23:22,800
So, and then over the report says then

3134
02:23:20,760 --> 02:23:24,360
over

3135
02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:28,240
this strategy is going to take place

3136
02:23:24,360 --> 02:23:31,000
over 15 years. So, that means for the

3137
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:34,240
next 11 years, it's going to be

3138
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:36,280
increased by 2.25

3139
02:23:34,240 --> 02:23:39,040
0.25%.

3140
02:23:36,280 --> 02:23:40,160
And so, at the end of all of these 15

3141
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:44,000
years,

3142
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:44,000
we will be at 4.75

3143
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:48,160
percent

3144
02:23:45,720 --> 02:23:51,840
uh of the tax [clears throat] levy to go

3145
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:53,600
to our infrastructure needs.

3146
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:56,200
I just I'm just not sure I'm

3147
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:59,000
understanding that properly. And of

3148
02:23:56,200 --> 02:24:00,960
course the it goes to um

3149
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:05,000
this uh

3150
02:24:00,960 --> 02:24:05,000
Rachel Van Wainwright.

3151
02:24:07,880 --> 02:24:12,640
» Miss Rachel Wainwright Lancaster.

3152
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:14,520
» Rachel Wainwright Lancaster. [laughter]

3153
02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:16,080
Uh, through you Mr. Chair. Yes, uh

3154
02:24:14,520 --> 02:24:17,640
you're a little bit confused on that one

3155
02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:19,520
Councillor Gardner.

3156
02:24:17,640 --> 02:24:21,320
Based on this is an option for the next

3157
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:23,880
council to consider and and it's based

3158
02:24:21,320 --> 02:24:25,840
on the way that the AMP was presented to

3159
02:24:23,880 --> 02:24:29,800
us when it came forward a couple of

3160
02:24:25,840 --> 02:24:32,480
years ago. And what it suggested is a 2%

3161
02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:34,760
annual increase in the AMP to meet

3162
02:24:32,480 --> 02:24:37,280
infrastructure needs over time. So it

3163
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:38,800
doesn't mean that once you get to 2% you

3164
02:24:37,280 --> 02:24:41,560
would need to keep on adding another

3165
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:44,040
2.25 every single year. It would just

3166
02:24:41,560 --> 02:24:48,120
stay at two if council if the future

3167
02:24:44,040 --> 02:24:51,160
council decided to go with that option.

3168
02:24:48,120 --> 02:24:53,560
It would not go above 2%.

3169
02:24:51,160 --> 02:24:56,440
» Oh. Okay.

3170
02:24:53,560 --> 02:24:58,000
But it because it says it's a 15-year

3171
02:24:56,440 --> 02:24:59,760
plan.

3172
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:04,520
So

3173
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:07,040
that was confusing. So it'll just

3174
02:25:04,520 --> 02:25:07,960
you you go ahead, please.

3175
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:11,520
» Thank you, Councillor.

3176
02:25:07,960 --> 02:25:13,560
» Uh, through you Mr. Chair, be 2% a year

3177
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:16,560
for 15 years.

3178
02:25:13,560 --> 02:25:19,880
But it's just proposing an option to get

3179
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:22,720
to that 2% with 0.25% increases on an

3180
02:25:19,880 --> 02:25:22,720
annual basis.

3181
02:25:25,640 --> 02:25:33,880
» So it means it will take 3 years

3182
02:25:29,880 --> 02:25:37,320
to get to the point where we're charging

3183
02:25:33,880 --> 02:25:39,520
where it is becoming 2%.

3184
02:25:37,320 --> 02:25:42,280
You said I believe you said something

3185
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:47,120
like so that we don't cause any

3186
02:25:42,280 --> 02:25:49,920
shocks or hardship. That is 0.25. So,

3187
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:51,720
it it means that in

3188
02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:55,320
in 20

3189
02:25:51,720 --> 02:25:55,320
What year would that be?

3190
02:25:55,440 --> 02:26:00,360
In 2030,

3191
02:25:58,360 --> 02:26:04,000
we would

3192
02:26:00,360 --> 02:26:05,280
be at the 2% and we would carry it on

3193
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:07,080
from there

3194
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:10,600
for 15 years

3195
02:26:07,080 --> 02:26:10,600
or for another 11 years.

3196
02:26:12,120 --> 02:26:16,560
But it's still is it's still this coming

3197
02:26:15,800 --> 02:26:18,840
uh

3198
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:21,520
for 2027,

3199
02:26:18,840 --> 02:26:23,200
it'll be uh

3200
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:25,920
1.25.

3201
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:29,880
It will reach that 2%.

3202
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:29,880
It'll take 4 years to get there.

3203
02:26:29,960 --> 02:26:34,400
Is that correct?

3204
02:26:32,240 --> 02:26:36,440
» With that, Councillor?

3205
02:26:34,400 --> 02:26:38,640
» Uh through you, Mr. Chair, yes, that's

3206
02:26:36,440 --> 02:26:40,880
correct. It would increase to that under

3207
02:26:38,640 --> 02:26:44,280
this proposal, it could increase to that

3208
02:26:40,880 --> 02:26:44,560
over that 4-year period.

3209
02:26:44,280 --> 02:26:46,000
» Um

3210
02:26:44,560 --> 02:26:46,800
» Again, the next Council would have to

3211
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:48,920
weigh in on that.

3212
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:54,160
» Yes. Oh, yes, of course.

3213
02:26:48,920 --> 02:26:57,040
Um yes, it's a strategy. Um thank you.

3214
02:26:54,160 --> 02:27:00,200
So, if we do this,

3215
02:26:57,040 --> 02:27:02,680
will we be able to cover

3216
02:27:00,200 --> 02:27:06,600
all of the

3217
02:27:02,680 --> 02:27:06,600
backlog that we have

3218
02:27:07,160 --> 02:27:11,960
in our in our for our asset management

3219
02:27:09,640 --> 02:27:13,960
plans, where all the things that we

3220
02:27:11,960 --> 02:27:16,440
say we need?

3221
02:27:13,960 --> 02:27:19,000
Will it be able to cover all of those

3222
02:27:16,440 --> 02:27:21,760
things?

3223
02:27:19,000 --> 02:27:21,760
» With that, Councillor?

3224
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:26,600
» Through you, Mr. Chair. So, by doing an

3225
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:28,680
annual increase such as this, it will

3226
02:27:26,600 --> 02:27:30,440
give us the opportunity over a time to

3227
02:27:28,680 --> 02:27:33,080
address that backlog

3228
02:27:30,440 --> 02:27:35,040
um until we get to more sustainable

3229
02:27:33,080 --> 02:27:36,800
funding, whether it be through

3230
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:39,000
additional through the levy or through

3231
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:41,120
other governmental like other levels of

3232
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:43,000
government support, it will take time

3233
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:44,960
until that backlog is addressed and it

3234
02:27:43,000 --> 02:27:48,040
might increase a little bit before it

3235
02:27:44,960 --> 02:27:48,040
begins to decrease.

3236
02:27:53,240 --> 02:27:56,560
» Uh

3237
02:27:54,520 --> 02:27:58,960
I guess what I'm asking is this strategy

3238
02:27:56,560 --> 02:28:03,360
going to keep us healthy

3239
02:27:58,960 --> 02:28:07,080
with respect to our needs

3240
02:28:03,360 --> 02:28:07,080
our asset management needs.

3241
02:28:07,880 --> 02:28:14,440
Because you do mention

3242
02:28:11,440 --> 02:28:17,640
you know, new things come on every year

3243
02:28:14,440 --> 02:28:21,600
and that we have a backlog now of 15

3244
02:28:17,640 --> 02:28:24,800
million. So, is this strategy going to

3245
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:27,160
take care of all of that?

3246
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:28,880
This way I think it's a

3247
02:28:27,160 --> 02:28:31,120
» Through Mr. Chair, there's multiple ways

3248
02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:33,160
that this can be dealt with as well. So,

3249
02:28:31,120 --> 02:28:34,400
even if when we look at the backlog

3250
02:28:33,160 --> 02:28:36,040
today, we can also look at the

3251
02:28:34,400 --> 02:28:38,160
performance of assets that we want to

3252
02:28:36,040 --> 02:28:39,680
maintain and the life of those assets

3253
02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:42,120
and how we manage and maintain them over

3254
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:43,480
time. Um you have to remember that when

3255
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:45,800
we did the

3256
02:28:43,480 --> 02:28:47,520
original asset management plan, a lot of

3257
02:28:45,800 --> 02:28:49,360
the assumptions were based on more of a

3258
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:51,280
financial asset life and the asset

3259
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:53,480
management team and engineering now is

3260
02:28:51,280 --> 02:28:55,760
looking at it on a more comprehensive

3261
02:28:53,480 --> 02:28:57,920
behavior of the way the assets are

3262
02:28:55,760 --> 02:28:59,280
actually performing over time. So, there

3263
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:01,120
are going to be adjustments to this

3264
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:02,760
plan. It is an ongoing conversation

3265
02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:05,880
we'll be having with council over the

3266
02:29:02,760 --> 02:29:05,880
next few years.

3267
02:29:07,840 --> 02:29:09,960
» Councillor

3268
02:29:08,440 --> 02:29:12,520
» Um

3269
02:29:09,960 --> 02:29:14,320
okay. It's uh

3270
02:29:12,520 --> 02:29:16,160
It doesn't answer the residents'

3271
02:29:14,320 --> 02:29:18,240
questions. I mean

3272
02:29:16,160 --> 02:29:19,840
it does say in this report there's been

3273
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:20,920
a decreased

3274
02:29:19,840 --> 02:29:23,920
uh

3275
02:29:20,920 --> 02:29:26,400
I believe decreased service level and I

3276
02:29:23,920 --> 02:29:29,080
think residents have noticed that

3277
02:29:26,400 --> 02:29:30,400
especially with respect to the roads.

3278
02:29:29,080 --> 02:29:33,040
So,

3279
02:29:30,400 --> 02:29:34,440
I don't know if this answer is going to

3280
02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:37,760
um

3281
02:29:34,440 --> 02:29:41,040
satisfy them, but I shall

3282
02:29:37,760 --> 02:29:42,720
I shall give it to them. Thank you.

3283
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:44,000
» So, Gardner, I think my interpretation

3284
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:45,640
is that

3285
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:48,520
um

3286
02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:48,520
raising

3287
02:29:49,920 --> 02:29:54,120
the rates um

3288
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:55,200
as proposed is one of those

3289
02:29:54,120 --> 02:29:59,000
uh

3290
02:29:55,200 --> 02:30:00,920
ways to get to the desired result. But I

3291
02:29:59,000 --> 02:30:02,960
believe our treasurer said that there

3292
02:30:00,920 --> 02:30:05,160
you know different assets perform at a

3293
02:30:02,960 --> 02:30:07,360
different uh

3294
02:30:05,160 --> 02:30:09,640
rate and so there's a lot of

3295
02:30:07,360 --> 02:30:12,440
combination of ways to get where we want

3296
02:30:09,640 --> 02:30:15,360
to, but certainly um

3297
02:30:12,440 --> 02:30:18,120
the rate increase is one of them.

3298
02:30:15,360 --> 02:30:20,600
Uh Counselor Thompson.

3299
02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:20,600
» If if

3300
02:30:21,320 --> 02:30:24,600
Can I speak again?

3301
02:30:22,680 --> 02:30:26,280
» Gardner has the floor.

3302
02:30:24,600 --> 02:30:28,560
Go ahead, Counselor Gardner.

3303
02:30:26,280 --> 02:30:30,720
» Thank you. That's um

3304
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:32,120
light of you, Counselor Thompson.

3305
02:30:30,720 --> 02:30:34,640
Um

3306
02:30:32,120 --> 02:30:38,000
But it's you know it says long-term

3307
02:30:34,640 --> 02:30:38,840
asset management funding strategy. So

3308
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:41,680
peop

3309
02:30:38,840 --> 02:30:44,560
it implies to me anyway and to the

3310
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:48,520
people that have approached me that this

3311
02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:50,760
is the whole strategy. So this is

3312
02:30:48,520 --> 02:30:52,840
what you're both saying is it's part of

3313
02:30:50,760 --> 02:30:55,520
the strategy and

3314
02:30:52,840 --> 02:30:58,760
we'll have to wait and see what else is

3315
02:30:55,520 --> 02:31:00,600
going to be part of that strategy.

3316
02:30:58,760 --> 02:31:02,360
That's just a comment from what I'm

3317
02:31:00,600 --> 02:31:04,240
understanding. Thank you, Counselor

3318
02:31:02,360 --> 02:31:05,960
Thompson.

3319
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:08,400
» Uh Counselor uh Gardner, Counselor

3320
02:31:05,960 --> 02:31:08,400
Thompson.

3321
02:31:09,080 --> 02:31:12,200
» Thank you. Um

3322
02:31:10,560 --> 02:31:14,440
you know, certainly the long-term

3323
02:31:12,200 --> 02:31:16,760
management of our assets isn't something

3324
02:31:14,440 --> 02:31:18,280
new. All of us around the table have

3325
02:31:16,760 --> 02:31:20,760
been talking about this not just this

3326
02:31:18,280 --> 02:31:21,800
term but many terms prior to this as

3327
02:31:20,760 --> 02:31:24,320
well.

3328
02:31:21,800 --> 02:31:26,880
Um and this issue is not necessarily

3329
02:31:24,320 --> 02:31:28,320
unique to us. I I think that you know,

3330
02:31:26,880 --> 02:31:29,600
most of us just came back from a

3331
02:31:28,320 --> 02:31:30,720
conference where they would have talked

3332
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:32,680
about it and they've been talking about

3333
02:31:30,720 --> 02:31:34,960
it for many, many years. Primarily

3334
02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:36,320
because, you know, municipalities in

3335
02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:38,240
general, they own or maintain

3336
02:31:36,320 --> 02:31:39,640
approximately 60% of Canada's

3337
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:41,280
infrastructure.

3338
02:31:39,640 --> 02:31:43,320
You know, residents count on us for good

3339
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:45,480
roads and and reliable water and waste

3340
02:31:43,320 --> 02:31:47,480
systems and quality recreational

3341
02:31:45,480 --> 02:31:49,720
facilities and so much more. However,

3342
02:31:47,480 --> 02:31:51,240
despite supporting the majority of our

3343
02:31:49,720 --> 02:31:53,280
key infrastructure, municipalities must

3344
02:31:51,240 --> 02:31:55,280
maintain these assets while receiving

3345
02:31:53,280 --> 02:31:56,560
just 8 cents out of every tax dollar

3346
02:31:55,280 --> 02:32:00,280
collected.

3347
02:31:56,560 --> 02:32:02,200
I FCM, AMO, many other organizations

3348
02:32:00,280 --> 02:32:04,360
have calculated the nice nationwide

3349
02:32:02,200 --> 02:32:06,960
municipal infrastructure deficit around

3350
02:32:04,360 --> 02:32:08,960
270 billion dollars with Ontario

3351
02:32:06,960 --> 02:32:10,400
municipalities alone facing

3352
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:11,800
approximately 100 billion in

3353
02:32:10,400 --> 02:32:13,320
infrastructure needs over the coming

3354
02:32:11,800 --> 02:32:14,960
decade.

3355
02:32:13,320 --> 02:32:16,880
This deficit didn't happen overnight and

3356
02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:19,040
it can't be solved overnight, nor can we

3357
02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:20,480
do this alone. We need both the province

3358
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:21,760
and the federal government to increase

3359
02:32:20,480 --> 02:32:23,320
their infrastructure funding for all

3360
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:25,120
municipalities.

3361
02:32:23,320 --> 02:32:27,480
You know, and as far as I know, and

3362
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:30,400
well, you know, I have Mrs. Wainwright

3363
02:32:27,480 --> 02:32:32,960
met Kessel way in, but

3364
02:32:30,400 --> 02:32:35,720
most, if not all of the municipalities,

3365
02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:37,880
uh have all allocated funds for uh

3366
02:32:35,720 --> 02:32:40,720
addressing this infrastructure deficit

3367
02:32:37,880 --> 02:32:42,840
and it's anywhere from 1 to 3% and even

3368
02:32:40,720 --> 02:32:45,160
then, we recognize that it's not enough

3369
02:32:42,840 --> 02:32:46,600
if less the province and the feds help

3370
02:32:45,160 --> 02:32:48,840
out the municipalities. It's just

3371
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:51,080
because of the the nature of the fact

3372
02:32:48,840 --> 02:32:52,960
that we own most, but yet get the

3373
02:32:51,080 --> 02:32:54,040
as I said earlier, only 8 cents on the

3374
02:32:52,960 --> 02:32:56,960
dollar

3375
02:32:54,040 --> 02:32:58,440
from uh taxes.

3376
02:32:56,960 --> 02:33:00,000
Um [clears throat]

3377
02:32:58,440 --> 02:33:02,400
but I think it's important to point out

3378
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:06,280
that this is really just another report

3379
02:33:02,400 --> 02:33:08,720
uh advising us of the issues. Um

3380
02:33:06,280 --> 02:33:09,840
raising the infrastructure funding is

3381
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:12,560
one

3382
02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:15,360
uh approach in which we can uh tackle

3383
02:33:12,560 --> 02:33:17,560
this uh long-term deficit. I think

3384
02:33:15,360 --> 02:33:19,440
council as a whole next term needs to

3385
02:33:17,560 --> 02:33:21,000
look at all the projects and make tough

3386
02:33:19,440 --> 02:33:23,320
decisions around

3387
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:25,720
um not just the repair and replacement

3388
02:33:23,320 --> 02:33:27,680
of of assets and the timing that goes

3389
02:33:25,720 --> 02:33:29,520
with it, but some of growth in new

3390
02:33:27,680 --> 02:33:32,680
projects and whether or not we we need

3391
02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:34,600
to go forward with them or focus more on

3392
02:33:32,680 --> 02:33:36,360
the basics and make sure that we are

3393
02:33:34,600 --> 02:33:40,480
ensuring that we take care of the assets

3394
02:33:36,360 --> 02:33:42,280
that we have before engaging in any new

3395
02:33:40,480 --> 02:33:44,400
plans. These are some of the structures

3396
02:33:42,280 --> 02:33:46,320
of some of the ways in which we can

3397
02:33:44,400 --> 02:33:48,720
address the

3398
02:33:46,320 --> 02:33:50,960
the deficit and look at having fair

3399
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:52,040
broader conversations around what best

3400
02:33:50,960 --> 02:33:54,520
to do.

3401
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:58,200
I know that

3402
02:33:54,520 --> 02:34:00,760
I guess through you Mr. Chair to

3403
02:33:58,200 --> 02:34:02,360
Rachel Wainwright Van Castle

3404
02:34:00,760 --> 02:34:04,000
um

3405
02:34:02,360 --> 02:34:06,760
you know, since you've come on and and

3406
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:08,320
and led the the the team, you know, what

3407
02:34:06,760 --> 02:34:10,320
are some of the things you've done to

3408
02:34:08,320 --> 02:34:12,840
implement and ensure that we are staying

3409
02:34:10,320 --> 02:34:14,920
on top of this strategy

3410
02:34:12,840 --> 02:34:16,040
of managing our our assets long-term so

3411
02:34:14,920 --> 02:34:18,280
that we can address these kind of

3412
02:34:16,040 --> 02:34:20,840
things.

3413
02:34:18,280 --> 02:34:22,280
» Yes, Wainwright Van Castle.

3414
02:34:20,840 --> 02:34:24,280
» Through you, Mr. Chair. So, there's a

3415
02:34:22,280 --> 02:34:25,760
number of things that we've done, not

3416
02:34:24,280 --> 02:34:28,080
just within finance, but within other

3417
02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:30,080
teams as well. Some of those things is

3418
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:32,320
that the development of the latest asset

3419
02:34:30,080 --> 02:34:33,960
management plan actually does identify

3420
02:34:32,320 --> 02:34:35,600
the performance of assets, the service

3421
02:34:33,960 --> 02:34:37,880
levels within them. It starts to

3422
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:40,280
identify what some of that deficit can

3423
02:34:37,880 --> 02:34:42,520
be. The continued contributions to the

3424
02:34:40,280 --> 02:34:44,200
fiscal strategies, that 1% that we put

3425
02:34:42,520 --> 02:34:45,520
aside every year, that we put most of

3426
02:34:44,200 --> 02:34:48,160
that aside for

3427
02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:49,840
towards asset management to maintaining

3428
02:34:48,160 --> 02:34:51,880
the assets and that continued capital

3429
02:34:49,840 --> 02:34:54,880
work that is happening with asset

3430
02:34:51,880 --> 02:34:56,680
management. We also implemented through

3431
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:58,320
the fiscal strategy and the short-term

3432
02:34:56,680 --> 02:35:00,120
asset management strategy in September

3433
02:34:58,320 --> 02:35:02,520
of 2024,

3434
02:35:00,120 --> 02:35:05,120
where we redirected the funds that were

3435
02:35:02,520 --> 02:35:06,600
to pay for ATS debt. Instead of issuing

3436
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:09,000
debt, we put that towards asset

3437
02:35:06,600 --> 02:35:11,920
management and used funds from the hydro

3438
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:13,680
reserve to pay for the project instead.

3439
02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:16,520
And we've also looked at any debt that

3440
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:18,240
we and complete if it's tax-funded debt,

3441
02:35:16,520 --> 02:35:19,680
putting those monies towards asset

3442
02:35:18,240 --> 02:35:21,080
management without having to further

3443
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:23,240
increase the levy.

3444
02:35:21,080 --> 02:35:25,560
Other investments that council has made

3445
02:35:23,240 --> 02:35:28,160
is um in engineering with additional

3446
02:35:25,560 --> 02:35:29,600
asset management staff, um in facilities

3447
02:35:28,160 --> 02:35:30,960
with additional asset management staff

3448
02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:32,240
to really get a better understanding of

3449
02:35:30,960 --> 02:35:34,840
our assets and be able to do that

3450
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:36,520
analytical work that we're doing now to

3451
02:35:34,840 --> 02:35:38,040
be able to better determine in the

3452
02:35:36,520 --> 02:35:40,560
future what our asset management

3453
02:35:38,040 --> 02:35:42,320
requirements are and how our assets

3454
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:44,160
perform over time.

3455
02:35:42,320 --> 02:35:45,880
So, along with this and also the

3456
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:48,000
investments within the finance team as

3457
02:35:45,880 --> 02:35:50,000
well, particularly with relating to the

3458
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:51,840
work we're doing in more fiscal strategy

3459
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:53,200
work and fiscal planning and the

3460
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:54,960
enhancements that we've done to the

3461
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:57,880
budget process with the 10-year capital

3462
02:35:54,960 --> 02:36:00,000
plan, including the reserve forecasting

3463
02:35:57,880 --> 02:36:01,920
that we now do over a 10-year period to

3464
02:36:00,000 --> 02:36:03,600
make sure that what we're doing is

3465
02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:04,880
affordable and it's achievable over

3466
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:06,640
time. So, there are significant

3467
02:36:04,880 --> 02:36:08,600
investments that have happened across

3468
02:36:06,640 --> 02:36:10,120
the organization, um thanks to the

3469
02:36:08,600 --> 02:36:13,520
decision by council over the last few

3470
02:36:10,120 --> 02:36:15,920
terms two terms I've been here.

3471
02:36:13,520 --> 02:36:19,920
» Thank you. And again, uh through you Mr.

3472
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:21,440
Chair to to to Rachel. Um

3473
02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:23,400
I have memory serves me correct, we were

3474
02:36:21,440 --> 02:36:25,320
one of the earlier adopters of bringing

3475
02:36:23,400 --> 02:36:26,920
on an asset management plan and in fact

3476
02:36:25,320 --> 02:36:28,240
some other municipalities looked at what

3477
02:36:26,920 --> 02:36:29,680
we were doing from a strategy

3478
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:30,880
perspective.

3479
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:32,960
Um so, perhaps you can speak a little

3480
02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:34,760
bit to that as well as just, you know,

3481
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:37,120
confirmation that this is not just an

3482
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:39,320
Aurora pro- problem that, you know, many

3483
02:36:37,120 --> 02:36:41,320
municipalities, uh not just in York

3484
02:36:39,320 --> 02:36:42,440
Region, but across the province, you

3485
02:36:41,320 --> 02:36:45,080
know, are struggling to maintain their

3486
02:36:42,440 --> 02:36:45,080
infrastructure.

3487
02:36:45,240 --> 02:36:49,000
» Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3488
02:36:47,440 --> 02:36:51,080
» Through you, Mr. Chair. So, finding a

3489
02:36:49,000 --> 02:36:53,360
municipality that is fully funded for

3490
02:36:51,080 --> 02:36:55,320
their infrastructure is uh very rare. I

3491
02:36:53,360 --> 02:36:56,960
suspect there's maybe maybe one or two

3492
02:36:55,320 --> 02:37:00,200
across the entire

3493
02:36:56,960 --> 02:37:02,160
um Ontario out of 444 municipalities.

3494
02:37:00,200 --> 02:37:03,800
Most municipalities are in the situation

3495
02:37:02,160 --> 02:37:05,280
we are in or they're even in a worse

3496
02:37:03,800 --> 02:37:06,280
situation where they don't have the

3497
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:08,520
funding, they haven't had the

3498
02:37:06,280 --> 02:37:09,920
investments towards asset management

3499
02:37:08,520 --> 02:37:12,680
that we've been making on an annual

3500
02:37:09,920 --> 02:37:14,840
basis. So, there's still a lot of work

3501
02:37:12,680 --> 02:37:17,000
to be done. We were early adopters,

3502
02:37:14,840 --> 02:37:18,840
especially with the the 1% fiscal

3503
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:20,560
strategy levy, because that's enabled us

3504
02:37:18,840 --> 02:37:23,640
to start working towards our asset

3505
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:25,760
management journey. And across Ontario,

3506
02:37:23,640 --> 02:37:28,080
there was a requirement for asset

3507
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:30,120
management plans to be completed. And

3508
02:37:28,080 --> 02:37:32,920
the final completion date was supposed

3509
02:37:30,120 --> 02:37:35,040
to be, I believe, July of 2025. And we

3510
02:37:32,920 --> 02:37:37,160
had ours done a year in advance of that.

3511
02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:39,240
So, we were ahead of the curve on that.

3512
02:37:37,160 --> 02:37:42,240
And looking at those short-term plans in

3513
02:37:39,240 --> 02:37:43,880
2024 to start contributing more to asset

3514
02:37:42,240 --> 02:37:46,800
management in more creative ways, rather

3515
02:37:43,880 --> 02:37:49,640
than just levy increases.

3516
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:51,680
» Thank you. So, I mean, you know, not to

3517
02:37:49,640 --> 02:37:54,000
to downplay the report. I mean, it it

3518
02:37:51,680 --> 02:37:55,440
certainly is concerning

3519
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:56,720
that, you know, we need to look at these

3520
02:37:55,440 --> 02:37:58,800
kind of

3521
02:37:56,720 --> 02:38:01,720
options in order to address the the

3522
02:37:58,800 --> 02:38:03,280
deficit gap that we have.

3523
02:38:01,720 --> 02:38:04,720
And there's going to need to be further

3524
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:07,360
conversations in the next term of

3525
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:10,280
council that to to to address this and

3526
02:38:07,360 --> 02:38:11,520
continue to to fight this. But, it is a

3527
02:38:10,280 --> 02:38:13,240
bit of an uphill climate, and it's an

3528
02:38:11,520 --> 02:38:14,720
uphill climate that all municipalities

3529
02:38:13,240 --> 02:38:16,760
face.

3530
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:18,400
You know, and and you know, I'm

3531
02:38:16,760 --> 02:38:20,160
certainly been grateful the time I've

3532
02:38:18,400 --> 02:38:22,160
been on council that

3533
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:24,000
you know, we've had staff like like

3534
02:38:22,160 --> 02:38:26,200
Rachel and her team that continue to be

3535
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:27,800
progressive and trying to find ways to

3536
02:38:26,200 --> 02:38:29,720
to address this and stay on top of this

3537
02:38:27,800 --> 02:38:31,360
and keep us informed and give us these

3538
02:38:29,720 --> 02:38:32,560
options so that we don't fall further

3539
02:38:31,360 --> 02:38:34,920
behind.

3540
02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:34,920
Thank you.

3541
02:38:35,680 --> 02:38:41,600
» Is Councillor Johnston

3542
02:38:38,320 --> 02:38:41,600
Any other comments or questions?

3543
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:50,880
Yeah. All the votes.

3544
02:38:47,800 --> 02:38:50,880
I'll be scratched, please.

3545
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:14,840
» It It gives

3546
02:39:15,880 --> 02:39:21,800
Next item is

3547
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:21,800
8.4.1.

3548
02:39:24,080 --> 02:39:27,240
And I believe

3549
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:31,200
that was uh Counselor Gardner as well,

3550
02:39:30,280 --> 02:39:34,040
if I'm

3551
02:39:31,200 --> 02:39:34,040
not mistaken.

3552
02:39:40,760 --> 02:39:44,440
Counselor Gardner, did you want to move

3553
02:39:42,160 --> 02:39:47,080
this?

3554
02:39:44,440 --> 02:39:47,080
» Yes, I would.

3555
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:52,800
Yes, I would. Thank you.

3556
02:39:49,880 --> 02:39:52,800
» Okay. Seconded?

3557
02:39:53,640 --> 02:39:57,640
Counselor Reese?

3558
02:39:55,880 --> 02:39:59,520
Counselor Gardner?

3559
02:39:57,640 --> 02:40:00,560
» Um

3560
02:39:59,520 --> 02:40:03,240
I

3561
02:40:00,560 --> 02:40:07,080
Counselor Kim, I I didn't pull this one.

3562
02:40:03,240 --> 02:40:08,840
I believe it was Counselor Reese.

3563
02:40:07,080 --> 02:40:11,200
» Yeah, that's true.

3564
02:40:08,840 --> 02:40:12,800
» So, he may want to start.

3565
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:15,440
» Hope we can uh

3566
02:40:12,800 --> 02:40:17,120
reverse that.

3567
02:40:15,440 --> 02:40:18,960
Counselor Reese?

3568
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:20,800
» Thanks, happy to do it.

3569
02:40:18,960 --> 02:40:22,640
» Let me move it.

3570
02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:23,880
Counselor Gardner will second it.

3571
02:40:22,640 --> 02:40:24,840
» Thank you.

3572
02:40:23,880 --> 02:40:26,800
» Okay.

3573
02:40:24,840 --> 02:40:29,880
Please go ahead, Counselor Reese.

3574
02:40:26,800 --> 02:40:33,360
» I've um I'd spoken to um

3575
02:40:29,880 --> 02:40:35,200
this the Cerial and uh

3576
02:40:33,360 --> 02:40:36,720
Mr. Ray

3577
02:40:35,200 --> 02:40:38,840
about this.

3578
02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:41,120
Um I felt that there was not enough

3579
02:40:38,840 --> 02:40:44,160
urgency on this with the uh

3580
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:46,360
recommendation that was made before.

3581
02:40:44,160 --> 02:40:49,440
And so, there was amendment that was uh

3582
02:40:46,360 --> 02:40:51,800
provided. And so, I'd like to see that

3583
02:40:49,440 --> 02:40:54,440
the you can get the amendment uh up

3584
02:40:51,800 --> 02:40:57,880
there on the report so other council can

3585
02:40:54,440 --> 02:40:57,880
see it and then I'll speak to it.

3586
02:41:01,360 --> 02:41:06,000
So, I think the clerk has it or maybe uh

3587
02:41:03,960 --> 02:41:06,000
uh

3588
02:41:06,040 --> 02:41:08,000
Mr. Day.

3589
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:11,080
» Mr. Clerk.

3590
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:13,680
» Happy cereal.

3591
02:41:11,080 --> 02:41:13,680
» Amendment.

3592
02:41:18,760 --> 02:41:22,480
» I can display my screen.

3593
02:41:38,840 --> 02:41:42,560
» So, the report uh thank you for doing

3594
02:41:41,360 --> 02:41:43,720
that.

3595
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:46,680
Um

3596
02:41:43,720 --> 02:41:48,440
the report was really about renovation

3597
02:41:46,680 --> 02:41:52,040
and the value of renovation and that's

3598
02:41:48,440 --> 02:41:54,880
never been a discussion or a problem. Um

3599
02:41:52,040 --> 02:41:57,480
what we have in this town are 12,000 or

3600
02:41:54,880 --> 02:42:00,600
so people that are renters.

3601
02:41:57,480 --> 02:42:03,000
Most of them are in rental buildings

3602
02:42:00,600 --> 02:42:05,520
that are relatively new.

3603
02:42:03,000 --> 02:42:08,880
They're not vulnerable to an eviction

3604
02:42:05,520 --> 02:42:12,480
because the landlord would like to

3605
02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:15,440
uh evict them and uh renovate their

3606
02:42:12,480 --> 02:42:17,840
place. And the problem with that is that

3607
02:42:15,440 --> 02:42:20,000
many of these older buildings

3608
02:42:17,840 --> 02:42:22,040
are uh affordable.

3609
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:23,960
And that's why people are living in

3610
02:42:22,040 --> 02:42:25,920
them. Uh they don't mind not having

3611
02:42:23,960 --> 02:42:27,320
granite. They don't and all the other

3612
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:30,680
amenities.

3613
02:42:27,320 --> 02:42:34,160
And so, the purpose of this is to number

3614
02:42:30,680 --> 02:42:36,280
one um have a part-time contract

3615
02:42:34,160 --> 02:42:39,080
administrative support person to

3616
02:42:36,280 --> 02:42:42,600
administer and support the program

3617
02:42:39,080 --> 02:42:44,960
um as well as staff coming back no later

3618
02:42:42,600 --> 02:42:47,000
than Q4 of 2027

3619
02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:49,600
for the implementation of a program and

3620
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:51,480
proposing next steps. That will include

3621
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:53,480
a bylaw.

3622
02:42:51,480 --> 02:42:58,240
Um so, there's not much different here

3623
02:42:53,480 --> 02:43:00,480
except the moving of the uh the person

3624
02:42:58,240 --> 02:43:03,800
who's going to administer this, have

3625
02:43:00,480 --> 02:43:05,160
them involved as a tenant support

3626
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:07,560
person.

3627
02:43:05,160 --> 02:43:08,880
Uh learn about the development of the

3628
02:43:07,560 --> 02:43:12,880
bylaw,

3629
02:43:08,880 --> 02:43:14,040
work with the bylaw and uh our legal

3630
02:43:12,880 --> 02:43:17,800
team,

3631
02:43:14,040 --> 02:43:20,240
and bring a bylaw back to us so that it

3632
02:43:17,800 --> 02:43:23,400
can be implemented. And the purpose of

3633
02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:26,040
that bylaw is to make sure that when

3634
02:43:23,400 --> 02:43:31,400
a an eviction occurs

3635
02:43:26,040 --> 02:43:33,120
and the eviction occurs because of a

3636
02:43:31,400 --> 02:43:35,640
an updating,

3637
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:38,360
that the tenants are protected. We have

3638
02:43:35,640 --> 02:43:41,000
to protect the

3639
02:43:38,360 --> 02:43:44,160
affordable rental properties that we

3640
02:43:41,000 --> 02:43:45,320
have now, and this is simply a way to do

3641
02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:48,880
it.

3642
02:43:45,320 --> 02:43:51,400
So, I'm in favor of this support pilot

3643
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:53,240
project with a part-time administrative

3644
02:43:51,400 --> 02:43:54,560
support that's uh

3645
02:43:53,240 --> 02:43:56,560
being funded out of the tax

3646
02:43:54,560 --> 02:43:58,800
stabilization, and I think that we've

3647
02:43:56,560 --> 02:44:00,840
had a conversation with Ms. Rainwater By

3648
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:03,000
Castle about doing that.

3649
02:44:00,840 --> 02:44:06,480
And then that person working with bylaw

3650
02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:08,640
and our legal team to bring the

3651
02:44:06,480 --> 02:44:10,160
um bylaw back for council's

3652
02:44:08,640 --> 02:44:13,400
consideration

3653
02:44:10,160 --> 02:44:17,640
in the next term. I would prefer

3654
02:44:13,400 --> 02:44:21,440
that this comes before Q4 of 2027.

3655
02:44:17,640 --> 02:44:23,160
Um but um at least no later than Q4 of

3656
02:44:21,440 --> 02:44:25,720
2027.

3657
02:44:23,160 --> 02:44:28,440
I know the staff is interested in

3658
02:44:25,720 --> 02:44:30,920
managing employee time, but this is an

3659
02:44:28,440 --> 02:44:34,080
important thing for those people who are

3660
02:44:30,920 --> 02:44:37,000
on the cusp of eviction and may become

3661
02:44:34,080 --> 02:44:39,200
homeless as we have in some cases been

3662
02:44:37,000 --> 02:44:41,240
uh identified through some of the

3663
02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:43,200
delegations that have come to council.

3664
02:44:41,240 --> 02:44:44,120
So, I hope the council can uh approve

3665
02:44:43,200 --> 02:44:46,920
this

3666
02:44:44,120 --> 02:44:49,640
small um amendment.

3667
02:44:46,920 --> 02:44:52,280
And uh direct staff to start down this

3668
02:44:49,640 --> 02:44:52,280
pathway.

3669
02:44:56,480 --> 02:44:59,840
» Thank you, Councillor Reese.

3670
02:44:58,280 --> 02:45:02,080
Anyone

3671
02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:04,840
wishes to speak or comment on the

3672
02:45:02,080 --> 02:45:04,840
amendments?

3673
02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:14,160
» Councillor Kim, I don't think you can

3674
02:45:11,480 --> 02:45:16,120
see my hand is raised.

3675
02:45:14,160 --> 02:45:18,280
» I see it now. Thank you. And

3676
02:45:16,120 --> 02:45:20,720
um Madam Clerk, it would it be

3677
02:45:18,280 --> 02:45:22,880
okay to uh put up the amendment so we

3678
02:45:20,720 --> 02:45:25,000
all know what we're

3679
02:45:22,880 --> 02:45:27,200
referring to?

3680
02:45:25,000 --> 02:45:28,440
» Yes. Uh can we get a seconder for the

3681
02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:28,920
amendment?

3682
02:45:28,440 --> 02:45:29,840
» Sure.

3683
02:45:28,920 --> 02:45:32,160
» I second.

3684
02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:34,480
» Sorry. Okay, Councillor Gardner seconds

3685
02:45:32,160 --> 02:45:34,480
it.

3686
02:45:38,480 --> 02:45:41,640
Okay, go ahead, Councillor Gardner.

3687
02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:49,960
» I used to say that this

3688
02:45:46,680 --> 02:45:52,640
is a town with a heart and

3689
02:45:49,960 --> 02:45:54,160
I would like to

3690
02:45:52,640 --> 02:45:56,114
prove that.

3691
02:45:54,160 --> 02:45:56,600
Um

3692
02:45:56,114 --> 02:45:58,160
» [clears throat]

3693
02:45:56,600 --> 02:46:01,000
» We have

3694
02:45:58,160 --> 02:46:02,200
a lot of vulnerable renters. I can't

3695
02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:03,960
remember

3696
02:46:02,200 --> 02:46:06,640
the number.

3697
02:46:03,960 --> 02:46:08,720
It's in the thousands

3698
02:46:06,640 --> 02:46:10,680
anyway and

3699
02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:13,440
um

3700
02:46:10,680 --> 02:46:15,760
they are

3701
02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:18,560
however you look at it, at the mercy of

3702
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:20,040
their landlords and

3703
02:46:18,560 --> 02:46:22,520
uh

3704
02:46:20,040 --> 02:46:25,440
these renters, some who been renting for

3705
02:46:22,520 --> 02:46:26,840
many years, this is their home

3706
02:46:25,440 --> 02:46:31,520
and

3707
02:46:26,840 --> 02:46:33,560
uh we need to protect them. So, I thank

3708
02:46:31,520 --> 02:46:35,200
Councillor Reese very much for putting

3709
02:46:33,560 --> 02:46:38,240
this forward.

3710
02:46:35,200 --> 02:46:41,960
I think this is uh

3711
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:43,240
a small sum of money compared

3712
02:46:41,960 --> 02:46:45,320
to

3713
02:46:43,240 --> 02:46:47,000
um uh

3714
02:46:45,320 --> 02:46:50,640
to the care

3715
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:53,640
it hopefully will take of many

3716
02:46:50,640 --> 02:46:55,360
vulnerable people in Aurora.

3717
02:46:53,640 --> 02:46:57,160
And uh

3718
02:46:55,360 --> 02:47:00,040
again, thank you, Councillor Lewis. I

3719
02:46:57,160 --> 02:47:01,720
know you've worked on this a lot and

3720
02:47:00,040 --> 02:47:04,440
very hard.

3721
02:47:01,720 --> 02:47:08,480
And um

3722
02:47:04,440 --> 02:47:08,480
I think it's generally appreciated.

3723
02:47:16,680 --> 02:47:22,960
» Anyone else with comments or questions?

3724
02:47:19,720 --> 02:47:22,960
Uh Councillor Gilman.

3725
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:28,040
» Thank you. Um

3726
02:47:27,160 --> 02:47:29,440
» [clears throat]

3727
02:47:28,040 --> 02:47:31,040
» Um

3728
02:47:29,440 --> 02:47:33,480
I mean I I get what we're trying to do.

3729
02:47:31,040 --> 02:47:36,080
I'm I'm really having a hard time

3730
02:47:33,480 --> 02:47:37,240
with this amendment. Um I'm struggling

3731
02:47:36,080 --> 02:47:38,720
with

3732
02:47:37,240 --> 02:47:41,080
um

3733
02:47:38,720 --> 02:47:43,480
some of the language in here like that

3734
02:47:41,080 --> 02:47:45,760
we are going to implement and that we're

3735
02:47:43,480 --> 02:47:47,280
going to hire and we're

3736
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:48,960
raising taking funds from tax

3737
02:47:47,280 --> 02:47:51,680
stabilization. It's

3738
02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:53,880
to me I feel like there's still a lot of

3739
02:47:51,680 --> 02:47:56,080
unresolved questions about

3740
02:47:53,880 --> 02:47:58,120
um you know, whether or not this is

3741
02:47:56,080 --> 02:48:00,680
actually going to be helping

3742
02:47:58,120 --> 02:48:02,080
um

3743
02:48:00,680 --> 02:48:04,160
helping the

3744
02:48:02,080 --> 02:48:05,880
the town or the the the the problem that

3745
02:48:04,160 --> 02:48:06,920
we have here. I'm just I just feel like

3746
02:48:05,880 --> 02:48:09,440
there's some information there that

3747
02:48:06,920 --> 02:48:10,960
we're still kind of missing about this.

3748
02:48:09,440 --> 02:48:12,400
And I'm not really quite sure what that

3749
02:48:10,960 --> 02:48:13,680
is. I feel like we're jumping the gun so

3750
02:48:12,400 --> 02:48:15,800
fast

3751
02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:17,880
to be implementing and approving uh

3752
02:48:15,800 --> 02:48:19,760
hiring extra staff.

3753
02:48:17,880 --> 02:48:21,520
Uh if this was something to where we

3754
02:48:19,760 --> 02:48:24,720
were going to

3755
02:48:21,520 --> 02:48:26,520
uh report back and look at what

3756
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:29,680
implementation would look like or what

3757
02:48:26,520 --> 02:48:30,880
the pros and cons are of of that, I

3758
02:48:29,680 --> 02:48:34,840
would like to see a little more

3759
02:48:30,880 --> 02:48:35,600
information about that. I believe that

3760
02:48:34,840 --> 02:48:37,640
um

3761
02:48:35,600 --> 02:48:39,560
some of the big city mayors had also

3762
02:48:37,640 --> 02:48:41,680
looked at this, which was something that

3763
02:48:39,560 --> 02:48:43,680
was discussed and

3764
02:48:41,680 --> 02:48:45,680
from my knowledge, cuz this has been

3765
02:48:43,680 --> 02:48:48,160
floating around already, it's something

3766
02:48:45,680 --> 02:48:49,920
they decided not to do for various

3767
02:48:48,160 --> 02:48:52,920
reasons.

3768
02:48:49,920 --> 02:48:55,320
Um and one of the biggest ones was that

3769
02:48:52,920 --> 02:48:57,880
it could actually deter

3770
02:48:55,320 --> 02:48:59,280
landlords from actually doing any type

3771
02:48:57,880 --> 02:49:02,040
of improvements to any of their

3772
02:48:59,280 --> 02:49:03,560
properties and would deter them to even

3773
02:49:02,040 --> 02:49:05,680
wanting to

3774
02:49:03,560 --> 02:49:10,040
make any sort of investment and could

3775
02:49:05,680 --> 02:49:11,720
actually encourage landlords to let

3776
02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:15,200
properties

3777
02:49:11,720 --> 02:49:18,280
uh become disheveled or unkempt or or

3778
02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:20,000
just no real investment at all. So, I

3779
02:49:18,280 --> 02:49:22,240
think there's a delicate balance that

3780
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:24,240
can be had here. I don't know what that

3781
02:49:22,240 --> 02:49:26,760
looks like, but I feel like we're kind

3782
02:49:24,240 --> 02:49:29,040
of swinging the pendulum from one side

3783
02:49:26,760 --> 02:49:30,600
to the other in a really strong way

3784
02:49:29,040 --> 02:49:34,320
without understanding what that balance

3785
02:49:30,600 --> 02:49:36,960
is in the middle as of yet. Um

3786
02:49:34,320 --> 02:49:39,400
to you, Mr. Chair, to uh

3787
02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:40,960
Mr. Ray if he's online or Mr. Serio who

3788
02:49:39,400 --> 02:49:42,560
would like to speak to this.

3789
02:49:40,960 --> 02:49:44,560
I just I would like a little have a

3790
02:49:42,560 --> 02:49:46,320
little bit more staff's

3791
02:49:44,560 --> 02:49:49,440
opinion on this

3792
02:49:46,320 --> 02:49:52,440
as I I kind of feel like

3793
02:49:49,440 --> 02:49:55,320
maybe staff's not in the supportive of

3794
02:49:52,440 --> 02:49:57,600
this at this time or if you could maybe

3795
02:49:55,320 --> 02:49:59,440
shed a little more information about

3796
02:49:57,600 --> 02:50:01,080
what I'd said about the other

3797
02:49:59,440 --> 02:50:03,640
municipalities or the major

3798
02:50:01,080 --> 02:50:06,320
municipalities who did not go ahead with

3799
02:50:03,640 --> 02:50:08,080
this and maybe explain why. And I'm

3800
02:50:06,320 --> 02:50:09,920
sorry I'm I'm asking you a question kind

3801
02:50:08,080 --> 02:50:13,720
of like off the cuff here without having

3802
02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:13,720
any kind of offline first.

3803
02:50:14,880 --> 02:50:17,840
» Correct.

3804
02:50:15,920 --> 02:50:20,480
Thank you through you, Mr. Chair.

3805
02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:22,080
Um Counselor Gilliland, I'll try and

3806
02:50:20,480 --> 02:50:23,400
answer those. If I miss something, just

3807
02:50:22,080 --> 02:50:26,680
remind me.

3808
02:50:23,400 --> 02:50:28,760
Um so, um staff, myself, and Mr. Serio

3809
02:50:26,680 --> 02:50:31,000
have met with Counselor Louise

3810
02:50:28,760 --> 02:50:34,360
uh to discuss uh sort of the work that

3811
02:50:31,000 --> 02:50:36,120
he's put in here. Um and this amendment

3812
02:50:34,360 --> 02:50:37,840
was sort of an update to the original

3813
02:50:36,120 --> 02:50:39,880
recommendations

3814
02:50:37,840 --> 02:50:42,440
um which I would probably best describe

3815
02:50:39,880 --> 02:50:44,600
as starting with dipping our toes in the

3816
02:50:42,440 --> 02:50:46,880
water as opposed to running right in and

3817
02:50:44,600 --> 02:50:49,160
starting to try to swim.

3818
02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:51,880
We feel that it's an opportunity if

3819
02:50:49,160 --> 02:50:54,680
council supports this motion and

3820
02:50:51,880 --> 02:50:56,480
recommendation to

3821
02:50:54,680 --> 02:50:58,520
try and gather some data and really

3822
02:50:56,480 --> 02:51:00,480
understand

3823
02:50:58,520 --> 02:51:02,720
what this type of program would look

3824
02:51:00,480 --> 02:51:05,120
like and what the needs would look like

3825
02:51:02,720 --> 02:51:08,400
over the course of the one year as

3826
02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:10,240
opposed to the larger ask of

3827
02:51:08,400 --> 02:51:11,600
trying to bring on enforcement staff

3828
02:51:10,240 --> 02:51:13,320
etc.

3829
02:51:11,600 --> 02:51:14,800
And then sort of putting the cart before

3830
02:51:13,320 --> 02:51:17,400
the horse.

3831
02:51:14,800 --> 02:51:20,200
In terms of your comments and questions

3832
02:51:17,400 --> 02:51:21,280
around what other municipalities have

3833
02:51:20,200 --> 02:51:23,640
done,

3834
02:51:21,280 --> 02:51:25,800
it's been a mixed approach. Some of the

3835
02:51:23,640 --> 02:51:28,080
larger municipalities have proceeded

3836
02:51:25,800 --> 02:51:30,920
forward. The city of Toronto, the city

3837
02:51:28,080 --> 02:51:34,880
of Hamilton, the city of Mississauga,

3838
02:51:30,920 --> 02:51:36,600
city of Waterloo have proceeded forward.

3839
02:51:34,880 --> 02:51:38,000
The matter is currently being studied in

3840
02:51:36,600 --> 02:51:40,880
Sarnia.

3841
02:51:38,000 --> 02:51:43,320
The city of St. Catharines rejected

3842
02:51:40,880 --> 02:51:46,000
this type of program.

3843
02:51:43,320 --> 02:51:47,920
And then to kind of view the concerns

3844
02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:49,480
about landlords

3845
02:51:47,920 --> 02:51:51,640
potentially not investing or not

3846
02:51:49,480 --> 02:51:53,720
maintaining and sort of that delicate

3847
02:51:51,640 --> 02:51:55,360
balance. We do have our property

3848
02:51:53,720 --> 02:51:58,120
standards bylaw.

3849
02:51:55,360 --> 02:52:00,400
So in a situation where we started to

3850
02:51:58,120 --> 02:52:02,720
see decay, if a complaint came in or

3851
02:52:00,400 --> 02:52:06,560
officers noted something that was

3852
02:52:02,720 --> 02:52:08,880
you know, obvious of concern. That would

3853
02:52:06,560 --> 02:52:10,600
be addressed through the property

3854
02:52:08,880 --> 02:52:12,480
standards bylaw.

3855
02:52:10,600 --> 02:52:16,200
It could potentially create a situation

3856
02:52:12,480 --> 02:52:18,360
where the bylaw is then used to try to

3857
02:52:16,200 --> 02:52:20,200
evict tenants to do that type of work

3858
02:52:18,360 --> 02:52:22,080
which sort of puts us in this this

3859
02:52:20,200 --> 02:52:24,600
circle.

3860
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:26,320
But the experience from larger

3861
02:52:24,600 --> 02:52:28,080
municipalities and then and I'm drawing

3862
02:52:26,320 --> 02:52:30,120
specifically on Toronto's experience

3863
02:52:28,080 --> 02:52:31,760
just based on volume and then obviously

3864
02:52:30,120 --> 02:52:33,480
we can scale down

3865
02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:34,880
proportionally

3866
02:52:33,480 --> 02:52:37,880
was that

3867
02:52:34,880 --> 02:52:40,320
um they received about 650 complaints

3868
02:52:37,880 --> 02:52:43,320
and of those complaints, uh, three of

3869
02:52:40,320 --> 02:52:46,000
them were legitimate licensable,

3870
02:52:43,320 --> 02:52:47,760
uh, renovictions and that information,

3871
02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:50,120
uh, I believe is contained in either the

3872
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:53,400
report that came to GC on the last cycle

3873
02:52:50,120 --> 02:52:53,400
or the initial report.

3874
02:52:54,280 --> 02:52:57,000
» Councillor Gilliland.

3875
02:52:55,800 --> 02:52:59,040
» Thank you.

3876
02:52:57,000 --> 02:53:01,280
Um, okay, I have

3877
02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:03,280
a few more questions on that.

3878
02:53:01,280 --> 02:53:05,640
Um,

3879
02:53:03,280 --> 02:53:08,040
first of all, I want to know, through

3880
02:53:05,640 --> 02:53:10,760
Mr. Chair to Mr. Rey,

3881
02:53:08,040 --> 02:53:13,960
how much time does staff need

3882
02:53:10,760 --> 02:53:15,880
to pilot this if that is something that

3883
02:53:13,960 --> 02:53:17,720
have moves forward

3884
02:53:15,880 --> 02:53:19,800
to

3885
02:53:17,720 --> 02:53:21,640
gain some insight as to whether or not

3886
02:53:19,800 --> 02:53:24,200
this is something that's working and

3887
02:53:21,640 --> 02:53:26,480
something really we want to do.

3888
02:53:24,200 --> 02:53:29,160
Um, the way the motion is written right

3889
02:53:26,480 --> 02:53:31,400
now, there is no timeline really

3890
02:53:29,160 --> 02:53:33,680
associated with the pilot. There's no

3891
02:53:31,400 --> 02:53:35,320
timeline associated with this contract

3892
02:53:33,680 --> 02:53:37,280
position either.

3893
02:53:35,320 --> 02:53:39,920
Um, if you could, uh, weigh in, that

3894
02:53:37,280 --> 02:53:41,200
would be great. I'm not in favor of just

3895
02:53:39,920 --> 02:53:42,720
arbitrarily

3896
02:53:41,200 --> 02:53:45,200
hiring staff.

3897
02:53:42,720 --> 02:53:46,880
Um, I thought we did a hiring freeze and

3898
02:53:45,200 --> 02:53:49,520
wanted to

3899
02:53:46,880 --> 02:53:50,880
try and, um, hold ourselves to that. So,

3900
02:53:49,520 --> 02:53:53,560
you know, I do believe we need to be

3901
02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:56,240
very responsible with

3902
02:53:53,560 --> 02:53:57,200
with the staff hiring part.

3903
02:53:56,240 --> 02:53:58,240
» Mr. Rey.

3904
02:53:57,200 --> 02:53:59,720
» Through you, Mr. Chair, to Councillor

3905
02:53:58,240 --> 02:54:01,840
Gilliland. So,

3906
02:53:59,720 --> 02:54:03,720
uh, with staff reporting back at the end

3907
02:54:01,840 --> 02:54:05,880
of, uh, at the latest at the end of

3908
02:54:03,720 --> 02:54:08,160
2027, Q4,

3909
02:54:05,880 --> 02:54:10,440
um, that would be the timeline, uh,

3910
02:54:08,160 --> 02:54:13,280
basically between the opportunity we

3911
02:54:10,440 --> 02:54:14,600
have to complete a job description, uh,

3912
02:54:13,280 --> 02:54:16,480
recruit for the position and then

3913
02:54:14,600 --> 02:54:19,120
onboard that person,

3914
02:54:16,480 --> 02:54:20,360
um, and the end of 2027 to gave gather

3915
02:54:19,120 --> 02:54:22,240
that data.

3916
02:54:20,360 --> 02:54:24,360
Um, so I would say that it's it's

3917
02:54:22,240 --> 02:54:25,640
approximately going to be a a 1-year

3918
02:54:24,360 --> 02:54:27,280
window,

3919
02:54:25,640 --> 02:54:29,320
um, maybe a year and a half at the

3920
02:54:27,280 --> 02:54:31,920
absolute stretch,

3921
02:54:29,320 --> 02:54:33,120
um, to counselor Reese's initial

3922
02:54:31,920 --> 02:54:35,360
comments.

3923
02:54:33,120 --> 02:54:37,560
He obviously would prefer this to come

3924
02:54:35,360 --> 02:54:39,720
back as soon as possible, um, but I

3925
02:54:37,560 --> 02:54:41,680
think that there's relevancy in making

3926
02:54:39,720 --> 02:54:43,640
sure that we obtain

3927
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:45,200
the most accurate and most detailed and

3928
02:54:43,640 --> 02:54:48,440
relevant data.

3929
02:54:45,200 --> 02:54:51,080
So, reporting in Q4 would probably be

3930
02:54:48,440 --> 02:54:53,320
more opportune to paint the entire

3931
02:54:51,080 --> 02:54:54,840
picture for council in terms of what the

3932
02:54:53,320 --> 02:54:56,680
demand looks like, what the questions

3933
02:54:54,840 --> 02:54:59,080
we're asking looks like, and then taking

3934
02:54:56,680 --> 02:55:02,160
the next appropriate steps as to

3935
02:54:59,080 --> 02:55:05,320
terminating the the potential program

3936
02:55:02,160 --> 02:55:07,560
moving forward or asking council for

3937
02:55:05,320 --> 02:55:09,720
their support in implementing a bylaw

3938
02:55:07,560 --> 02:55:13,920
and potentially additional staff or

3939
02:55:09,720 --> 02:55:13,920
remaining with what council provides us.

3940
02:55:14,840 --> 02:55:17,240
» Councillor

3941
02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:19,240
» Thank you.

3942
02:55:17,240 --> 02:55:20,640
Okay, I get what you're saying and I

3943
02:55:19,240 --> 02:55:23,360
just have again, I have so many

3944
02:55:20,640 --> 02:55:25,000
questions. So, the other one is

3945
02:55:23,360 --> 02:55:27,360
uh

3946
02:55:25,000 --> 02:55:30,080
how much of an issue do we actually have

3947
02:55:27,360 --> 02:55:31,680
in Aurora with this type of renoviction?

3948
02:55:30,080 --> 02:55:33,920
I know we have

3949
02:55:31,680 --> 02:55:36,520
this one example with

3950
02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:38,040
um, this property. We've had quite a

3951
02:55:36,520 --> 02:55:40,160
bit of delegation about this one

3952
02:55:38,040 --> 02:55:41,560
property. And I'm I'm only saying this

3953
02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:43,240
because I feel like again, we're we're

3954
02:55:41,560 --> 02:55:44,000
hiring staff and we

3955
02:55:43,240 --> 02:55:46,160
you know, a

3956
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:49,480
year and a half commitment.

3957
02:55:46,160 --> 02:55:51,320
This So, it's two-part question.

3958
02:55:49,480 --> 02:55:53,520
How big of a problem is

3959
02:55:51,320 --> 02:55:55,080
I mean, renoviction. I'm not talking

3960
02:55:53,520 --> 02:55:56,920
about anything else with renters or

3961
02:55:55,080 --> 02:55:58,920
legal basements or anything like that.

3962
02:55:56,920 --> 02:56:00,800
I'm just talking about renovictions.

3963
02:55:58,920 --> 02:56:02,000
This What is the How much of a problem

3964
02:56:00,800 --> 02:56:03,760
do you have?

3965
02:56:02,000 --> 02:56:05,160
And then the second question is, can we

3966
02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:08,320
not

3967
02:56:05,160 --> 02:56:10,080
have staff do a pilot of sorts to figure

3968
02:56:08,320 --> 02:56:12,400
out if this is something that

3969
02:56:10,080 --> 02:56:15,120
um

3970
02:56:12,400 --> 02:56:17,360
is worth us doing moving forward without

3971
02:56:15,120 --> 02:56:18,840
hiring anybody and reporting back

3972
02:56:17,360 --> 02:56:20,480
quickly.

3973
02:56:18,840 --> 02:56:22,000
And then at that point doing an

3974
02:56:20,480 --> 02:56:24,000
assessment saying, you know what? We you

3975
02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:25,280
know, we've we've done an assessment. We

3976
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:27,520
feel we've got it under control what we

3977
02:56:25,280 --> 02:56:28,760
had. It's it's not as big of a problem

3978
02:56:27,520 --> 02:56:29,920
as we thought." Like, I don't I'm just

3979
02:56:28,760 --> 02:56:31,280
shooting I'm just shooting from the hip

3980
02:56:29,920 --> 02:56:33,320
here. Like, I don't know, but I feel

3981
02:56:31,280 --> 02:56:35,320
like it's a really big step to be

3982
02:56:33,320 --> 02:56:37,200
investing a year and a half, to maybe

3983
02:56:35,320 --> 02:56:39,680
even 2 years, on something we really

3984
02:56:37,200 --> 02:56:43,400
didn't know whether or not it's that big

3985
02:56:39,680 --> 02:56:45,160
of a problem. To compare us to Toronto,

3986
02:56:43,400 --> 02:56:46,920
um to Aurora, I I just don't think is a

3987
02:56:45,160 --> 02:56:48,640
fair comparison. So, Mr. Ray, if you

3988
02:56:46,920 --> 02:56:50,440
could just let me know whether or not

3989
02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:52,840
this is something that's that if we

3990
02:56:50,440 --> 02:56:54,600
wanted to do, we could do without hiring

3991
02:56:52,840 --> 02:56:56,560
staff and come back and

3992
02:56:54,600 --> 02:56:59,000
uh in you know,

3993
02:56:56,560 --> 02:57:00,600
in 6 months and come back and and have

3994
02:56:59,000 --> 02:57:01,520
the next term of council decide whether

3995
02:57:00,600 --> 02:57:02,880
or not they want to make that

3996
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:04,160
investment.

3997
02:57:02,880 --> 02:57:06,960
And then we'll have a good idea whether

3998
02:57:04,160 --> 02:57:09,440
or not this is something that is a huge

3999
02:57:06,960 --> 02:57:09,440
problem.

4000
02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:11,800
» Mr. Ray.

4001
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:13,760
» Thank you, Mr. Chair, to Councillor

4002
02:57:11,800 --> 02:57:16,960
Gilliland. So, the data that we were

4003
02:57:13,760 --> 02:57:19,440
able to obtain from Tribunals Ontario,

4004
02:57:16,960 --> 02:57:21,680
uh based on N13s, which are the uh run

4005
02:57:19,440 --> 02:57:23,200
eviction

4006
02:57:21,680 --> 02:57:24,320
notices that would be provided to

4007
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:26,840
tenants,

4008
02:57:24,320 --> 02:57:28,880
uh indicate that there is uh between

4009
02:57:26,840 --> 02:57:30,800
five to seven of those notices that have

4010
02:57:28,880 --> 02:57:32,520
been filed in Aurora specifically over

4011
02:57:30,800 --> 02:57:35,520
the last 5 years.

4012
02:57:32,520 --> 02:57:38,240
Um in in relation to those specific

4013
02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:39,800
properties without disclosing addresses,

4014
02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:41,760
um some of them have been demolished as

4015
02:57:39,800 --> 02:57:43,920
part of redevelopment applications and

4016
02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:45,480
they just simply do not exist anymore.

4017
02:57:43,920 --> 02:57:47,800
They've been replaced with intensified

4018
02:57:45,480 --> 02:57:50,520
housing or or different uses.

4019
02:57:47,800 --> 02:57:53,240
Um and familiarity from staff is that

4020
02:57:50,520 --> 02:57:55,360
one address uh was uh an illegal

4021
02:57:53,240 --> 02:57:58,640
basement apartment that uh did not

4022
02:57:55,360 --> 02:58:00,160
return back to that type of use. Um so,

4023
02:57:58,640 --> 02:58:04,040
I mean, on average, we're looking at

4024
02:58:00,160 --> 02:58:04,760
probably between one to, you know, 1.2

4025
02:58:04,040 --> 02:58:06,280
uh

4026
02:58:04,760 --> 02:58:07,840
{quote} unquote run evictions on an

4027
02:58:06,280 --> 02:58:09,600
annual basis.

4028
02:58:07,840 --> 02:58:11,400
Um in terms of the your questions

4029
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:13,200
surrounding staffing,

4030
02:58:11,400 --> 02:58:15,480
uh genuinely, the issue is is

4031
02:58:13,200 --> 02:58:19,160
administratively, we need the support to

4032
02:58:15,480 --> 02:58:21,440
help research this, write the bylaw.

4033
02:58:19,160 --> 02:58:24,400
We are administratively stretched. We

4034
02:58:21,440 --> 02:58:26,400
have two people at at this point

4035
02:58:24,400 --> 02:58:27,720
and call volumes continue to increase.

4036
02:58:26,400 --> 02:58:31,080
So, it's not something that I can really

4037
02:58:27,720 --> 02:58:32,800
put on existing staff.

4038
02:58:31,080 --> 02:58:35,640
It that's why we looked at this from a

4039
02:58:32,800 --> 02:58:37,120
part-time sort of contract position

4040
02:58:35,640 --> 02:58:38,560
so that we could at least utilize the

4041
02:58:37,120 --> 02:58:40,200
person

4042
02:58:38,560 --> 02:58:42,400
and then if not needed then at the end

4043
02:58:40,200 --> 02:58:45,800
of this exercise they would they would

4044
02:58:42,400 --> 02:58:45,800
no longer continue.

4045
02:58:46,640 --> 02:58:48,880
» Councillor

4046
02:58:47,680 --> 02:58:52,800
» Thank you.

4047
02:58:48,880 --> 02:58:55,200
Okay, so from what I'm hearing is that

4048
02:58:52,800 --> 02:58:57,040
there's been between five and seven

4049
02:58:55,200 --> 02:58:58,600
incidents in the last

4050
02:58:57,040 --> 02:59:00,440
five years

4051
02:58:58,600 --> 02:59:02,880
and

4052
02:59:00,440 --> 02:59:04,680
one of them was an illegal basement

4053
02:59:02,880 --> 02:59:06,840
which is probably a good thing the

4054
02:59:04,680 --> 02:59:09,320
person was no longer there because of

4055
02:59:06,840 --> 02:59:11,880
other safety things. And then the others

4056
02:59:09,320 --> 02:59:12,920
were because there's other development.

4057
02:59:11,880 --> 02:59:15,520
So,

4058
02:59:12,920 --> 02:59:18,520
and the the building doesn't even exist

4059
02:59:15,520 --> 02:59:20,200
anymore. So, I

4060
02:59:18,520 --> 02:59:24,160
I'm just struggling with like the

4061
02:59:20,200 --> 02:59:26,200
the one person per year and

4062
02:59:24,160 --> 02:59:26,200
uh

4063
02:59:27,000 --> 02:59:29,360
I'm just I'm just struggling with the

4064
02:59:28,040 --> 02:59:31,720
fact that we're going to be spending a

4065
02:59:29,360 --> 02:59:32,920
lot of money on hiring new staff or

4066
02:59:31,720 --> 02:59:34,280
something. I'm going to listen to

4067
02:59:32,920 --> 02:59:36,000
somebody in my my other colleagues

4068
02:59:34,280 --> 02:59:38,120
around the table with their saying. I'm

4069
02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:40,000
really not convinced on

4070
02:59:38,120 --> 02:59:41,720
making a big commitment like this in the

4071
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:45,200
way that it's written. I think if it was

4072
02:59:41,720 --> 02:59:48,840
a bit softer then then maybe I would I

4073
02:59:45,200 --> 02:59:48,840
would be more comfortable with it.

4074
02:59:50,240 --> 02:59:53,600
» Thank you, Councillor.

4075
02:59:52,080 --> 02:59:55,179
Councillor

4076
02:59:53,600 --> 02:59:56,560
Thompson for the first time.

4077
02:59:55,179 --> 02:59:58,200
» [clears throat]

4078
02:59:56,560 --> 02:59:59,640
» Thank you.

4079
02:59:58,200 --> 03:00:02,560
You know, I I think I share a little bit

4080
02:59:59,640 --> 03:00:04,360
of that that same struggle. The

4081
03:00:02,560 --> 03:00:06,840
the motion calls for us to implement the

4082
03:00:04,360 --> 03:00:09,160
program, but you know,

4083
03:00:06,840 --> 03:00:11,200
based on the report and and you know,

4084
03:00:09,160 --> 03:00:14,120
the limited information that I have, I'm

4085
03:00:11,200 --> 03:00:17,320
still not sure what the support pilot

4086
03:00:14,120 --> 03:00:19,720
program can and can't do. Uh I know Mr.

4087
03:00:17,320 --> 03:00:21,960
Ceraolo speaks about it in the in the uh

4088
03:00:19,720 --> 03:00:23,680
the report and Mr. Ray does as well in

4089
03:00:21,960 --> 03:00:26,280
the fact that you know, municipalities

4090
03:00:23,680 --> 03:00:29,000
are limited in what we can do because

4091
03:00:26,280 --> 03:00:30,920
landlord tenant law is is provincial in

4092
03:00:29,000 --> 03:00:32,640
terms of jurisdiction

4093
03:00:30,920 --> 03:00:35,400
um and many things are covered under the

4094
03:00:32,640 --> 03:00:37,400
Residential Tenancy Act. And so, you

4095
03:00:35,400 --> 03:00:39,000
know, I I'm this is where I struggle

4096
03:00:37,400 --> 03:00:41,080
because, you know, I want to be able to

4097
03:00:39,000 --> 03:00:43,920
manage expectations and I really don't

4098
03:00:41,080 --> 03:00:45,800
know, you know, is this program going to

4099
03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:47,600
achieve what we think it's going to

4100
03:00:45,800 --> 03:00:50,480
achieve or not? Where are the

4101
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:53,040
limitations what it can and can't do? Um

4102
03:00:50,480 --> 03:00:54,920
you know, I'm I'm open to pursuing it,

4103
03:00:53,040 --> 03:00:56,520
but the language within the uh

4104
03:00:54,920 --> 03:00:59,360
recommendation says we implement it

4105
03:00:56,520 --> 03:01:00,880
today if it gets approved. And and to me

4106
03:00:59,360 --> 03:01:03,520
there's still that that some of that

4107
03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:05,640
uncertainty. Uh you know, I'd I'd love

4108
03:01:03,520 --> 03:01:07,120
for Mr. Ray to, you know, spend a little

4109
03:01:05,640 --> 03:01:09,160
bit more time and provide a little bit

4110
03:01:07,120 --> 03:01:10,920
more detailed information about, you

4111
03:01:09,160 --> 03:01:12,680
know, in terms of those objectives and

4112
03:01:10,920 --> 03:01:14,920
those expectations of what a pilot

4113
03:01:12,680 --> 03:01:16,480
program can achieve, what it can't

4114
03:01:14,920 --> 03:01:17,960
achieve, and look into it because I

4115
03:01:16,480 --> 03:01:19,680
think, you know, there are some

4116
03:01:17,960 --> 03:01:22,360
definitive things because of the

4117
03:01:19,680 --> 03:01:22,360
provincial

4118
03:01:23,440 --> 03:01:27,760
legislation that really are restrict our

4119
03:01:25,920 --> 03:01:29,160
abilities. And I wouldn't want the

4120
03:01:27,760 --> 03:01:31,160
residents to think, "Great, the

4121
03:01:29,160 --> 03:01:32,640
municipality now has this pilot program

4122
03:01:31,160 --> 03:01:34,640
and that's going to help me out." Only

4123
03:01:32,640 --> 03:01:36,760
to find out at the end of the day that

4124
03:01:34,640 --> 03:01:38,160
no, this this program wasn't geared to

4125
03:01:36,760 --> 03:01:40,400
be able to do that because provincial

4126
03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:42,560
legislation takes precedence. So,

4127
03:01:40,400 --> 03:01:44,400
perhaps through you, Mr. Chair, to Mr.

4128
03:01:42,560 --> 03:01:46,160
Ceraolo, can she just sort of expand a

4129
03:01:44,400 --> 03:01:47,880
little bit about

4130
03:01:46,160 --> 03:01:49,880
um you know, the provincial legislation

4131
03:01:47,880 --> 03:01:51,360
and and talk a little bit perhaps about

4132
03:01:49,880 --> 03:01:54,200
some of the things that this program

4133
03:01:51,360 --> 03:01:56,400
wouldn't be able to do?

4134
03:01:54,200 --> 03:01:57,880
Mr. Ceraolo?

4135
03:01:56,400 --> 03:02:00,000
Through you, Mr. Chair. I actually think

4136
03:01:57,880 --> 03:02:02,720
the best person to have that response

4137
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:05,360
would be Alex, Mr.

4138
03:02:02,720 --> 03:02:07,880
Mr. Ray.

4139
03:02:05,360 --> 03:02:10,560
Thank you. Uh through you, Mr. Chair. Uh

4140
03:02:07,880 --> 03:02:12,000
so, the the legislation from the

4141
03:02:10,560 --> 03:02:14,320
province right now, there's draft

4142
03:02:12,000 --> 03:02:16,760
legislation that could potentially deal

4143
03:02:14,320 --> 03:02:18,560
with this uh in the future.

4144
03:02:16,760 --> 03:02:20,360
Uh it has not received assent, and it

4145
03:02:18,560 --> 03:02:23,000
has not currently gone through Queen's

4146
03:02:20,360 --> 03:02:24,520
Park for royal assent. So,

4147
03:02:23,000 --> 03:02:26,800
um based on the current provisions of

4148
03:02:24,520 --> 03:02:29,880
the Residential Tenancies Act,

4149
03:02:26,800 --> 03:02:31,640
um if a tenant is served with a notice

4150
03:02:29,880 --> 03:02:33,040
uh for the purpose of eviction for

4151
03:02:31,640 --> 03:02:34,880
renovation,

4152
03:02:33,040 --> 03:02:37,120
um they would essentially end up before

4153
03:02:34,880 --> 03:02:40,760
the Landlord Tenant Tribunal. Uh that

4154
03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:42,920
process does exist right now. Uh the

4155
03:02:40,760 --> 03:02:44,400
tenants often face significant delay at

4156
03:02:42,920 --> 03:02:46,920
the tribunal.

4157
03:02:44,400 --> 03:02:49,040
Um so, in speaking with Councillor Weir

4158
03:02:46,920 --> 03:02:51,240
and trying to work through this motion,

4159
03:02:49,040 --> 03:02:53,560
uh the thought process was is that the

4160
03:02:51,240 --> 03:02:54,960
individual uh being requested as part of

4161
03:02:53,560 --> 03:02:58,080
the motion

4162
03:02:54,960 --> 03:03:00,600
uh would help liaise tenants

4163
03:02:58,080 --> 03:03:03,160
uh to the appropriate processes, be it

4164
03:03:00,600 --> 03:03:04,760
uh pro bono legal aid systems or

4165
03:03:03,160 --> 03:03:08,000
ensuring that proper building permits

4166
03:03:04,760 --> 03:03:11,560
are obtained uh in necessary cases of uh

4167
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:14,120
significant renovation, um and to advise

4168
03:03:11,560 --> 03:03:16,160
them of places where they can uh connect

4169
03:03:14,120 --> 03:03:19,280
with uh to ensure that their legal

4170
03:03:16,160 --> 03:03:21,040
rights are are sort of being adhered to,

4171
03:03:19,280 --> 03:03:22,600
um while also trying to strike a balance

4172
03:03:21,040 --> 03:03:23,960
that this person will not be providing

4173
03:03:22,600 --> 03:03:26,600
legal advice,

4174
03:03:23,960 --> 03:03:29,080
um and in essence is almost aiding in

4175
03:03:26,600 --> 03:03:32,320
navigating the um

4176
03:03:29,080 --> 03:03:32,320
the system as a whole.

4177
03:03:33,600 --> 03:03:35,640
» Thank you, Councillor.

4178
03:03:34,960 --> 03:03:37,200
» Right.

4179
03:03:35,640 --> 03:03:38,920
You know, thank you, and that helps to

4180
03:03:37,200 --> 03:03:41,160
some degree, but I think I still I think

4181
03:03:38,920 --> 03:03:42,480
there's still many other questions I and

4182
03:03:41,160 --> 03:03:44,800
maybe others have around the table in

4183
03:03:42,480 --> 03:03:46,840
terms of the limitations of the program.

4184
03:03:44,800 --> 03:03:48,240
And so, I think, you know,

4185
03:03:46,840 --> 03:03:49,920
I get we're challenged from a time

4186
03:03:48,240 --> 03:03:51,680
perspective, you know, in terms of our

4187
03:03:49,920 --> 03:03:53,680
our our meeting schedule and the end of

4188
03:03:51,680 --> 03:03:54,400
the term, but um

4189
03:03:53,680 --> 03:03:55,720
I

4190
03:03:54,400 --> 03:03:58,000
I don't know if I'm comfortable

4191
03:03:55,720 --> 03:03:59,200
implementing the program as opposed to,

4192
03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:01,240
you know, getting something back in a

4193
03:03:59,200 --> 03:04:03,480
little bit more detail to describe what

4194
03:04:01,240 --> 03:04:05,280
that support pilot program looks like

4195
03:04:03,480 --> 03:04:07,680
and address some of these questions.

4196
03:04:05,280 --> 03:04:07,680
Thank you.

4197
03:04:08,360 --> 03:04:14,480
» Thank you, Councillor Thompson.

4198
03:04:10,640 --> 03:04:16,600
Councillor Weese, for a second time.

4199
03:04:14,480 --> 03:04:18,560
» Yeah, thanks. And I appreciate the

4200
03:04:16,600 --> 03:04:20,160
comments that are being made around the

4201
03:04:18,560 --> 03:04:22,200
table.

4202
03:04:20,160 --> 03:04:23,720
Um the

4203
03:04:22,200 --> 03:04:25,880
purpose of this is

4204
03:04:23,720 --> 03:04:27,080
» Uh I think I think you're still on mute,

4205
03:04:25,880 --> 03:04:29,040
Councillor Weese.

4206
03:04:27,080 --> 03:04:31,280
» Sorry.

4207
03:04:29,040 --> 03:04:33,800
There we go.

4208
03:04:31,280 --> 03:04:35,200
Uh as I said, I appreciate the comments

4209
03:04:33,800 --> 03:04:36,720
that are being made around the table,

4210
03:04:35,200 --> 03:04:40,107
and I know everybody would like to have

4211
03:04:36,720 --> 03:04:40,760
assurances that this is going to work

4212
03:04:40,107 --> 03:04:42,840
» [clears throat]

4213
03:04:40,760 --> 03:04:45,400
» And that we're going to

4214
03:04:42,840 --> 03:04:47,440
uh be able to save money and we're all

4215
03:04:45,400 --> 03:04:49,880
the rest of the things that all of the

4216
03:04:47,440 --> 03:04:53,400
other councils have have said.

4217
03:04:49,880 --> 03:04:56,320
Um this isn't new. It's It's a pilot.

4218
03:04:53,400 --> 03:04:59,760
Um the province has been wrestling with

4219
03:04:56,320 --> 03:05:01,240
this for 2 years now, and they've not

4220
03:04:59,760 --> 03:05:04,120
brought forth

4221
03:05:01,240 --> 03:05:06,200
anything that would be helpful

4222
03:05:04,120 --> 03:05:08,600
when people are being evicted for

4223
03:05:06,200 --> 03:05:12,760
renovation purposes. And in fact, when

4224
03:05:08,600 --> 03:05:15,480
they go to the LTB, um the the term

4225
03:05:12,760 --> 03:05:18,720
renovation doesn't even come up. The

4226
03:05:15,480 --> 03:05:20,240
issue is that they are being evicted,

4227
03:05:18,720 --> 03:05:24,760
and is it a

4228
03:05:20,240 --> 03:05:27,960
the uh eviction because the landlord

4229
03:05:24,760 --> 03:05:31,320
wishes to improve their property,

4230
03:05:27,960 --> 03:05:33,560
and they have a right to do that.

4231
03:05:31,320 --> 03:05:36,840
What we're talking about here in a

4232
03:05:33,560 --> 03:05:39,560
renovation by law is that they must go

4233
03:05:36,840 --> 03:05:41,760
through a step A landlord must go

4234
03:05:39,560 --> 03:05:44,600
through a step that says, and maybe

4235
03:05:41,760 --> 03:05:47,000
belongs in business building code, that

4236
03:05:44,600 --> 03:05:49,040
when they want to have a reno- they want

4237
03:05:47,000 --> 03:05:50,520
to renovate, they have to prove that the

4238
03:05:49,040 --> 03:05:53,040
renovation

4239
03:05:50,520 --> 03:05:54,360
is not going to be evicting vulnerable

4240
03:05:53,040 --> 03:05:55,960
people,

4241
03:05:54,360 --> 03:05:58,880
and that when they come back, they're

4242
03:05:55,960 --> 03:06:01,440
going to be offered the rent at a

4243
03:05:58,880 --> 03:06:04,760
reasonable rate before. Because what

4244
03:06:01,440 --> 03:06:06,200
happens is that these people are being

4245
03:06:04,760 --> 03:06:08,880
evicted.

4246
03:06:06,200 --> 03:06:11,200
They are given maybe three or four

4247
03:06:08,880 --> 03:06:14,120
months. That's what the landlord tenant

4248
03:06:11,200 --> 03:06:16,120
board talks about. Well, what is right

4249
03:06:14,120 --> 03:06:18,640
in terms of the landlord offering them

4250
03:06:16,120 --> 03:06:20,800
some compensation for leaving.

4251
03:06:18,640 --> 03:06:22,040
And in many cases they're giving cash on

4252
03:06:20,800 --> 03:06:25,280
top of it.

4253
03:06:22,040 --> 03:06:28,360
And this is again happening in the uh

4254
03:06:25,280 --> 03:06:32,120
places that uh Mr. Reid talked about. We

4255
03:06:28,360 --> 03:06:35,000
really don't have one for the smaller

4256
03:06:32,120 --> 03:06:37,680
cities, towns like ourselves.

4257
03:06:35,000 --> 03:06:40,480
And what this is all about is to be a

4258
03:06:37,680 --> 03:06:43,960
leader in this so that the

4259
03:06:40,480 --> 03:06:46,880
12,000 people that are here and again,

4260
03:06:43,960 --> 03:06:50,280
many of them are not the vulnerable. Uh

4261
03:06:46,880 --> 03:06:51,520
but many of them some of them are.

4262
03:06:50,280 --> 03:06:53,560
And [clears throat] in a couple of

4263
03:06:51,520 --> 03:06:55,960
cases, these are elderly people who've

4264
03:06:53,560 --> 03:06:58,440
been living in an apartment for maybe 10

4265
03:06:55,960 --> 03:06:59,920
years, 15 years. They have very low

4266
03:06:58,440 --> 03:07:02,400
rental rates.

4267
03:06:59,920 --> 03:07:03,640
If they are asked to move, they're out

4268
03:07:02,400 --> 03:07:06,680
of a home.

4269
03:07:03,640 --> 03:07:09,080
And so all I'm asking for is some

4270
03:07:06,680 --> 03:07:11,440
interest in trying to help people who

4271
03:07:09,080 --> 03:07:13,840
may be facing this

4272
03:07:11,440 --> 03:07:15,080
in the future and be a leader and not a

4273
03:07:13,840 --> 03:07:17,120
follower.

4274
03:07:15,080 --> 03:07:18,880
And I think it's a time for us to do

4275
03:07:17,120 --> 03:07:21,160
that in this community. We have very

4276
03:07:18,880 --> 03:07:24,320
good landlords in this community.

4277
03:07:21,160 --> 03:07:26,880
And many of the good ones are not even

4278
03:07:24,320 --> 03:07:29,480
thinking in this way. But some of them

4279
03:07:26,880 --> 03:07:31,040
maybe are thinking about changing

4280
03:07:29,480 --> 03:07:33,440
and they're not worried they're not so

4281
03:07:31,040 --> 03:07:35,800
worried about the effect on the tenants.

4282
03:07:33,440 --> 03:07:38,080
And that's our job. I think we're a

4283
03:07:35,800 --> 03:07:40,320
legislative body here. We're we should

4284
03:07:38,080 --> 03:07:41,160
be here trying to make

4285
03:07:40,320 --> 03:07:44,600
uh

4286
03:07:41,160 --> 03:07:46,840
bylaws that help our

4287
03:07:44,600 --> 03:07:48,640
um rental stock,

4288
03:07:46,840 --> 03:07:51,680
our affordable rental stock and the

4289
03:07:48,640 --> 03:07:51,680
people who live in them.

4290
03:07:57,120 --> 03:08:02,040
» Any comments to wait?

4291
03:08:00,000 --> 03:08:04,560
Anyone else with comments or questions

4292
03:08:02,040 --> 03:08:04,560
on this?

4293
03:08:07,360 --> 03:08:10,760
Councillor Gardner, are you raising your

4294
03:08:08,400 --> 03:08:10,760
hands?

4295
03:08:11,320 --> 03:08:15,280
» Um, you talking to me?

4296
03:08:13,960 --> 03:08:16,680
» Yes, I thought you were raising your

4297
03:08:15,280 --> 03:08:19,160
hands because you wanted to speak.

4298
03:08:16,680 --> 03:08:20,600
» I was um when somebody's speaking in the

4299
03:08:19,160 --> 03:08:22,640
council chamber I have to take the

4300
03:08:20,600 --> 03:08:25,480
volume down or I get

4301
03:08:22,640 --> 03:08:27,160
a double blast. Um no, I wasn't going

4302
03:08:25,480 --> 03:08:31,240
to, but I but I will take the

4303
03:08:27,160 --> 03:08:32,360
opportunity to support Councillor Wesses

4304
03:08:31,240 --> 03:08:35,400
um

4305
03:08:32,360 --> 03:08:37,200
argument. I think it's valid.

4306
03:08:35,400 --> 03:08:41,560
I think it

4307
03:08:37,200 --> 03:08:43,760
shows we care about all of our residents

4308
03:08:41,560 --> 03:08:47,160
and um

4309
03:08:43,760 --> 03:08:49,600
I just think it's the right thing to do.

4310
03:08:47,160 --> 03:08:49,600
Thank you.

4311
03:08:49,680 --> 03:08:53,840
» Councillor Gardner, Councillor Gardner,

4312
03:08:51,760 --> 03:08:55,800
is your hand up from the last time or is

4313
03:08:53,840 --> 03:08:57,960
this a new

4314
03:08:55,800 --> 03:09:01,160
Okay.

4315
03:08:57,960 --> 03:09:01,160
You have the floor, Councillor Gardner.

4316
03:09:03,680 --> 03:09:07,440
» Thank you. I mean, I'd like to see the

4317
03:09:05,000 --> 03:09:09,760
amendment up on the screen actually.

4318
03:09:07,440 --> 03:09:09,760
Um

4319
03:09:11,000 --> 03:09:14,640
I I hear there's some language that's

4320
03:09:12,960 --> 03:09:16,520
being said like we were you know caring

4321
03:09:14,640 --> 03:09:18,560
for our town and caring for Aurora and

4322
03:09:16,520 --> 03:09:20,040
like but by all means my comments are

4323
03:09:18,560 --> 03:09:21,440
not at all

4324
03:09:20,040 --> 03:09:23,800
saying we don't we're really we're not

4325
03:09:21,440 --> 03:09:25,600
caring for our residents, but I am

4326
03:09:23,800 --> 03:09:26,920
concerned that we're putting the cart

4327
03:09:25,600 --> 03:09:29,800
before the horse. I don't know what this

4328
03:09:26,920 --> 03:09:32,880
policy looks like. Uh Councillor Wesses

4329
03:09:29,800 --> 03:09:34,400
had stated some very specific things

4330
03:09:32,880 --> 03:09:36,400
that would be implemented in this

4331
03:09:34,400 --> 03:09:39,520
policy. They were the objective of what

4332
03:09:36,400 --> 03:09:40,800
the the specific things in that policy.

4333
03:09:39,520 --> 03:09:42,360
Typically, you know, we would get a

4334
03:09:40,800 --> 03:09:43,720
policy, we would look at it, review it,

4335
03:09:42,360 --> 03:09:45,280
and we would decide whether or not it's

4336
03:09:43,720 --> 03:09:48,040
something we want to support within in

4337
03:09:45,280 --> 03:09:50,000
our town and and uh make that bylaw

4338
03:09:48,040 --> 03:09:52,240
happen. But, right now, it's the way

4339
03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:54,920
it's worded in this this motion is that

4340
03:09:52,240 --> 03:09:56,480
we're just implementing it um without

4341
03:09:54,920 --> 03:09:59,640
really understanding the nuances and

4342
03:09:56,480 --> 03:10:01,200
what those consequences are. And I

4343
03:09:59,640 --> 03:10:02,720
I want to support this, but I don't I

4344
03:10:01,200 --> 03:10:04,480
it's it's the language for me has got to

4345
03:10:02,720 --> 03:10:06,560
change. I think there's got to be some

4346
03:10:04,480 --> 03:10:08,320
reporting back what the policy would

4347
03:10:06,560 --> 03:10:11,120
look like and what that would and how

4348
03:10:08,320 --> 03:10:13,520
that would would work in in Aurora

4349
03:10:11,120 --> 03:10:15,720
in for a small town. But, to go

4350
03:10:13,520 --> 03:10:17,840
arbitrarily just implement it with a

4351
03:10:15,720 --> 03:10:20,680
broad stroke and start hiring people,

4352
03:10:17,840 --> 03:10:22,080
I'm I just think it's too soon, too fast

4353
03:10:20,680 --> 03:10:23,320
without knowing what we're actually

4354
03:10:22,080 --> 03:10:25,800
approving.

4355
03:10:23,320 --> 03:10:28,600
I I think we've spent more time going in

4356
03:10:25,800 --> 03:10:31,280
the weeds of a fence bylaw and changing

4357
03:10:28,600 --> 03:10:33,960
some housekeeping words. And uh you

4358
03:10:31,280 --> 03:10:37,040
know, this is a really big bylaw that

4359
03:10:33,960 --> 03:10:37,960
we're considering today. And I feel that

4360
03:10:37,040 --> 03:10:39,200
I need to have a little more

4361
03:10:37,960 --> 03:10:40,920
information, Councillor Wilson. I'm

4362
03:10:39,200 --> 03:10:42,200
sorry. I know you brought this thing

4363
03:10:40,920 --> 03:10:43,160
forward, you worked hard on it, and I

4364
03:10:42,200 --> 03:10:46,040
think it's

4365
03:10:43,160 --> 03:10:48,240
it's a great initiative, but I

4366
03:10:46,040 --> 03:10:50,640
I still would need uh for me, I need a

4367
03:10:48,240 --> 03:10:52,480
little bit more information as to

4368
03:10:50,640 --> 03:10:54,520
uh what it actually means that we would

4369
03:10:52,480 --> 03:10:56,800
be doing in that consequence

4370
03:10:54,520 --> 03:10:58,520
on both sides of the spectrum.

4371
03:10:56,800 --> 03:11:01,760
Um if you're willing to change some of

4372
03:10:58,520 --> 03:11:03,120
that language that would uh afford staff

4373
03:11:01,760 --> 03:11:05,640
to come back

4374
03:11:03,120 --> 03:11:07,480
and let us know what the policy would

4375
03:11:05,640 --> 03:11:09,520
look like if we were interested in doing

4376
03:11:07,480 --> 03:11:11,840
that, then, you know, I would be in

4377
03:11:09,520 --> 03:11:14,200
favor of that. But, I can't

4378
03:11:11,840 --> 03:11:15,360
I in this particular time in my position

4379
03:11:14,200 --> 03:11:16,720
would be I wouldn't want to be

4380
03:11:15,360 --> 03:11:19,600
implementing, and I wouldn't want to be

4381
03:11:16,720 --> 03:11:19,600
hiring staff.

4382
03:11:22,880 --> 03:11:26,240
» Thank you. Thank you, Councillor

4383
03:11:24,080 --> 03:11:27,960
Gilliland.

4384
03:11:26,240 --> 03:11:29,680
You know, in reading the amendments, I

4385
03:11:27,960 --> 03:11:32,000
know that the amendment is well

4386
03:11:29,680 --> 03:11:34,720
intended. Um there's certainly an

4387
03:11:32,000 --> 03:11:38,200
immediate immediate need in the one

4388
03:11:34,720 --> 03:11:39,600
location, but the amendment doesn't have

4389
03:11:38,200 --> 03:11:42,440
sufficient language that gives me

4390
03:11:39,600 --> 03:11:44,680
confidence that it's going to do

4391
03:11:42,440 --> 03:11:48,680
uh what [snorts] it was meant to do.

4392
03:11:44,680 --> 03:11:48,680
So, I know there's um

4393
03:11:49,000 --> 03:11:52,200
I'm

4394
03:11:50,040 --> 03:11:54,640
sensitivity to this, but the way it's

4395
03:11:52,200 --> 03:11:56,600
worded, I'm not sure that I can uh

4396
03:11:54,640 --> 03:12:00,960
confidently

4397
03:11:56,600 --> 03:12:00,960
be in support of this uh as it is.

4398
03:12:01,880 --> 03:12:06,000
Any other

4399
03:12:04,040 --> 03:12:08,720
comments or questions for the first or

4400
03:12:06,000 --> 03:12:08,720
second time?

4401
03:12:12,440 --> 03:12:18,280
Okay.

4402
03:12:13,720 --> 03:12:18,280
I'll follow the votes on the amendments.

4403
03:12:18,600 --> 03:12:21,920
And e-scribe, please.

4404
03:12:36,720 --> 03:12:42,080
And here it is, it's been defeated.

4405
03:12:39,400 --> 03:12:43,920
Back to the main motion.

4406
03:12:42,080 --> 03:12:46,400
Any comments or questions to the main

4407
03:12:43,920 --> 03:12:46,400
motion?

4408
03:12:53,720 --> 03:12:56,960
Okay, seeing no

4409
03:12:59,120 --> 03:13:04,880
raising of hands,

4410
03:13:02,120 --> 03:13:07,560
I'll put the vote on the main motion.

4411
03:13:04,880 --> 03:13:07,560
E-scribe.

4412
03:13:26,520 --> 03:13:30,880
And

4413
03:13:28,080 --> 03:13:30,880
that carries.

4414
03:13:35,960 --> 03:13:41,880
Next item is

4415
03:13:38,880 --> 03:13:44,360
item 8.4.2.

4416
03:13:41,880 --> 03:13:48,280
I believe Councillor Gallo that was

4417
03:13:44,360 --> 03:13:52,760
your poll. Would you like to move it?

4418
03:13:48,280 --> 03:13:53,920
» I do and I have a amendment as well.

4419
03:13:52,760 --> 03:13:57,000
» Okay,

4420
03:13:53,920 --> 03:13:57,000
someone like to second it?

4421
03:13:57,640 --> 03:14:02,000
Councillor Thompson

4422
03:14:00,200 --> 03:14:03,840
Go ahead Councillor Gallo.

4423
03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:07,960
» Thank you.

4424
03:14:03,840 --> 03:14:10,440
It's related to the cannabis retail

4425
03:14:07,960 --> 03:14:12,360
review task force.

4426
03:14:10,440 --> 03:14:14,680
That

4427
03:14:12,360 --> 03:14:16,760
the amendment is as staff has it. I'll

4428
03:14:14,680 --> 03:14:19,160
read it as well. The council directs

4429
03:14:16,760 --> 03:14:21,360
staff to conduct a survey of residents

4430
03:14:19,160 --> 03:14:24,720
and businesses located within a

4431
03:14:21,360 --> 03:14:27,320
specified distance of licensed cannabis

4432
03:14:24,720 --> 03:14:29,840
retail stores in Aurora and provide the

4433
03:14:27,320 --> 03:14:35,040
results to the cannabis retail

4434
03:14:29,840 --> 03:14:35,040
review task force prior to its meeting.

4435
03:14:35,720 --> 03:14:39,600
Basically, the the

4436
03:14:38,360 --> 03:14:40,960
committee

4437
03:14:39,600 --> 03:14:45,520
task force

4438
03:14:40,960 --> 03:14:48,880
wanted this type of information and as

4439
03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:53,320
it cannot direct staff

4440
03:14:48,880 --> 03:14:53,320
that's why this is here tonight.

4441
03:15:02,640 --> 03:15:06,720
» If I may Councillor Gallo,

4442
03:15:04,560 --> 03:15:10,480
what is the survey about? It just

4443
03:15:06,720 --> 03:15:10,480
states to conduct a survey.

4444
03:15:11,560 --> 03:15:18,400
» Direct It's directing staff

4445
03:15:14,400 --> 03:15:22,760
to conduct that survey and

4446
03:15:18,400 --> 03:15:22,760
provide the results to the task force.

4447
03:15:23,520 --> 03:15:26,520
» I'll have a second here, please.

4448
03:15:27,080 --> 03:15:32,840
Councillor Gillman

4449
03:15:29,320 --> 03:15:32,840
Are there questions to the amendment?

4450
03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:43,360
Okay. No comments or questions on the

4451
03:15:42,200 --> 03:15:44,600
amendment.

4452
03:15:43,360 --> 03:15:47,440
Follow the votes.

4453
03:15:44,600 --> 03:15:47,440
» See Council Reese.

4454
03:15:48,880 --> 03:15:51,920
» Okay, sorry. Council Reese, go ahead,

4455
03:15:50,760 --> 03:15:53,440
please.

4456
03:15:51,920 --> 03:15:54,360
» Yes, thank you.

4457
03:15:53,440 --> 03:15:56,360
And I'm

4458
03:15:54,360 --> 03:15:58,440
with the task force with the Council

4459
03:15:56,360 --> 03:16:00,360
Gallo.

4460
03:15:58,440 --> 03:16:02,760
And uh provide some

4461
03:16:00,360 --> 03:16:05,320
additional information on this.

4462
03:16:02,760 --> 03:16:06,960
Uh when we did the original survey, it

4463
03:16:05,320 --> 03:16:08,560
was spread out

4464
03:16:06,960 --> 03:16:11,720
uh around town.

4465
03:16:08,560 --> 03:16:14,080
And there really wasn't very much in the

4466
03:16:11,720 --> 03:16:16,560
uh survey that was beneficial in making

4467
03:16:14,080 --> 03:16:17,880
decisions about uh what to do on the

4468
03:16:16,560 --> 03:16:19,160
task force.

4469
03:16:17,880 --> 03:16:21,360
So, this is

4470
03:16:19,160 --> 03:16:24,960
to identify [clears throat] the location

4471
03:16:21,360 --> 03:16:28,160
around the particular areas that we have

4472
03:16:24,960 --> 03:16:31,200
where the um retail outlets are

4473
03:16:28,160 --> 03:16:34,920
uh to see whether the residents and the

4474
03:16:31,200 --> 03:16:37,480
businesses around there have better and

4475
03:16:34,920 --> 03:16:39,800
more accurate information.

4476
03:16:37,480 --> 03:16:41,680
I don't think this is a any different

4477
03:16:39,800 --> 03:16:44,720
survey or much different survey than the

4478
03:16:41,680 --> 03:16:46,360
previous one was. It's not going to take

4479
03:16:44,720 --> 03:16:48,680
an awful lot of time for them to do

4480
03:16:46,360 --> 03:16:49,760
this, uh but they felt that they didn't

4481
03:16:48,680 --> 03:16:51,320
have

4482
03:16:49,760 --> 03:16:53,360
uh a targeted

4483
03:16:51,320 --> 03:16:56,120
uh sample and they needed a better

4484
03:16:53,360 --> 03:16:59,360
sample to bring back uh because the

4485
03:16:56,120 --> 03:17:03,280
original sample just wasn't in and

4486
03:16:59,360 --> 03:17:05,800
wasn't uh valid in their opinion.

4487
03:17:03,280 --> 03:17:08,600
So, I think this is the right thing to

4488
03:17:05,800 --> 03:17:11,000
do in order to get the adequate

4489
03:17:08,600 --> 03:17:13,520
information that we need for the task

4490
03:17:11,000 --> 03:17:15,320
force to be able to hone in on the

4491
03:17:13,520 --> 03:17:18,240
things that need to be done.

4492
03:17:15,320 --> 03:17:20,120
Uh what we we found was that in many

4493
03:17:18,240 --> 03:17:22,640
cases there weren't very many

4494
03:17:20,120 --> 03:17:24,960
objections, but in some cases there were

4495
03:17:22,640 --> 03:17:26,880
very high amounts of

4496
03:17:24,960 --> 03:17:29,680
of objections. And we just want to be

4497
03:17:26,880 --> 03:17:31,720
able to parse those out by a survey. We

4498
03:17:29,680 --> 03:17:34,680
don't have the data, we can't make the

4499
03:17:31,720 --> 03:17:34,680
decision very well.

4500
03:17:38,480 --> 03:17:41,680
» Thanks, Councillor Weese. Um

4501
03:17:42,280 --> 03:17:46,000
If there's

4502
03:17:43,760 --> 03:17:47,480
no one else to comment on the amendment,

4503
03:17:46,000 --> 03:17:48,240
I'll go back to John again.

4504
03:17:47,480 --> 03:17:49,760
Uh

4505
03:17:48,240 --> 03:17:52,560
Councillor Gallo.

4506
03:17:49,760 --> 03:17:53,760
» I just just to quickly we confirmed with

4507
03:17:52,560 --> 03:17:55,400
um

4508
03:17:53,760 --> 03:17:57,840
uh communications department that

4509
03:17:55,400 --> 03:18:01,320
they're have the ability to conduct a

4510
03:17:57,840 --> 03:18:03,960
survey prior to the next meeting of the

4511
03:18:01,320 --> 03:18:03,960
task force.

4512
03:18:05,120 --> 03:18:08,160
» Uh

4513
03:18:06,360 --> 03:18:10,800
I'll take that on the

4514
03:18:08,160 --> 03:18:10,800
list, Smith.

4515
03:18:16,800 --> 03:18:20,120
Are we here or can someone on staff

4516
03:18:19,240 --> 03:18:21,400
address Charlie?

4517
03:18:20,120 --> 03:18:22,680
» Yeah, through through your Councillor

4518
03:18:21,400 --> 03:18:24,360
Kim to

4519
03:18:22,680 --> 03:18:25,720
Councillors Gallo and Weese.

4520
03:18:24,360 --> 03:18:26,920
Um yeah, we can definitely conduct a

4521
03:18:25,720 --> 03:18:28,840
survey. I think I'll touch base with

4522
03:18:26,920 --> 03:18:30,520
both of you to understand a bit more

4523
03:18:28,840 --> 03:18:32,040
about what that specified distance is

4524
03:18:30,520 --> 03:18:33,880
that you're looking at around the

4525
03:18:32,040 --> 03:18:35,640
cannabis retail stores.

4526
03:18:33,880 --> 03:18:39,120
But we can definitely

4527
03:18:35,640 --> 03:18:39,120
do a conduct a survey for you.

4528
03:18:40,680 --> 03:18:43,200
» Councillor Gallo.

4529
03:18:45,960 --> 03:18:48,280
» Great.

4530
03:18:51,800 --> 03:18:56,280
» Any other comments or questions on the

4531
03:18:53,600 --> 03:18:56,280
amendment?

4532
03:18:56,400 --> 03:18:59,440
Okay, so we'll call the vote.

4533
03:19:08,600 --> 03:19:12,560
It carries. [clears throat]

4534
03:19:10,640 --> 03:19:15,840
Go back to the main motion. Any comments

4535
03:19:12,560 --> 03:19:15,840
or questions on the main motion?

4536
03:19:16,560 --> 03:19:20,360
» I did have a

4537
03:19:18,520 --> 03:19:22,080
another comment.

4538
03:19:20,360 --> 03:19:24,840
» Councillor Gallo.

4539
03:19:22,080 --> 03:19:27,840
» The

4540
03:19:24,840 --> 03:19:30,720
other side to a at the July cycle be

4541
03:19:27,840 --> 03:19:31,720
canceled. I have a proposed motion that

4542
03:19:30,720 --> 03:19:35,000
will be

4543
03:19:31,720 --> 03:19:37,560
asking support in new business

4544
03:19:35,000 --> 03:19:40,080
that speaks to an additional

4545
03:19:37,560 --> 03:19:41,800
special meeting in July should it be

4546
03:19:40,080 --> 03:19:43,720
approved.

4547
03:19:41,800 --> 03:19:46,320
I'm fine with this. Obviously we can we

4548
03:19:43,720 --> 03:19:48,280
can add meetings if if we need

4549
03:19:46,320 --> 03:19:50,720
the necessity.

4550
03:19:48,280 --> 03:19:53,160
This is a schedule meeting but

4551
03:19:50,720 --> 03:19:55,880
I'm

4552
03:19:53,160 --> 03:19:59,560
looking in my motion with receipt

4553
03:19:55,880 --> 03:19:59,560
to add a special meeting in July.

4554
03:20:04,480 --> 03:20:11,880
» So are you asking that we're going to

4555
03:20:07,520 --> 03:20:11,880
want to put that on new business?

4556
03:20:12,600 --> 03:20:17,360
» Yes, that's right.

4557
03:20:14,440 --> 03:20:19,360
I emailed the copy of it to you.

4558
03:20:17,360 --> 03:20:21,360
» Okay.

4559
03:20:19,360 --> 03:20:25,320
As Council Miguel,

4560
03:20:21,360 --> 03:20:25,320
okay, call the vote on the main motion.

4561
03:20:28,520 --> 03:20:32,360
» Sorry, can we put up what we're voting

4562
03:20:30,240 --> 03:20:35,440
on so I'm a little confused here. A lot

4563
03:20:32,360 --> 03:20:35,440
of echoing going on.

4564
03:20:35,560 --> 03:20:40,480
» Madam Clerk, can you put up the main

4565
03:20:37,800 --> 03:20:40,480
motion, please?

4566
03:20:47,080 --> 03:20:50,240
» Okay.

4567
03:20:48,560 --> 03:20:52,320
I I we were just talking about something

4568
03:20:50,240 --> 03:20:54,680
else that it wasn't related to this.

4569
03:20:52,320 --> 03:20:54,680
Okay.

4570
03:21:00,920 --> 03:21:03,680
Let's see, man.

4571
03:21:12,520 --> 03:21:16,000
How can we get there?

4572
03:21:45,840 --> 03:21:48,320
» So the scribe?

4573
03:21:46,760 --> 03:21:52,280
» Yeah, it's there.

4574
03:21:48,320 --> 03:21:54,680
» Are we just Okay, we're voting?

4575
03:21:52,280 --> 03:21:54,680
» Yes.

4576
03:22:14,920 --> 03:22:18,240
» Awaiting Councillor Weese.

4577
03:22:23,920 --> 03:22:29,280
» Councillor Harris.

4578
03:22:26,320 --> 03:22:32,280
Uh before we go to the next item, can I

4579
03:22:29,280 --> 03:22:35,320
have a motion to extend? It's uh 10:26.

4580
03:22:32,280 --> 03:22:38,640
I I suspect we're going to be going on

4581
03:22:35,320 --> 03:22:41,720
until at least 11 as we have

4582
03:22:38,640 --> 03:22:41,720
other five items.

4583
03:22:43,960 --> 03:22:49,240
Okay, Councillor Thompson, seconded by

4584
03:22:46,360 --> 03:22:50,960
Councillor Weese.

4585
03:22:49,240 --> 03:22:54,360
All the votes, I guess that needs to be

4586
03:22:50,960 --> 03:22:54,360
done on eScribe.

4587
03:22:56,560 --> 03:22:59,080
» Or you could do it through a show of

4588
03:22:58,080 --> 03:23:00,240
hands.

4589
03:22:59,080 --> 03:23:01,920
» I just

4590
03:23:00,240 --> 03:23:03,720
show of hands uh

4591
03:23:01,920 --> 03:23:06,320
to extend this meeting for another 30

4592
03:23:03,720 --> 03:23:06,320
minutes.

4593
03:23:07,880 --> 03:23:11,120
Okay, that passes.

4594
03:23:12,200 --> 03:23:16,240
Next item is

4595
03:23:13,680 --> 03:23:17,760
item 8.5.1.

4596
03:23:16,240 --> 03:23:21,120
Councillor Gallo, I believe that is

4597
03:23:17,760 --> 03:23:23,480
yours. Would you like to move it?

4598
03:23:21,120 --> 03:23:25,320
» It's mine.

4599
03:23:23,480 --> 03:23:27,040
» Sorry. Okay.

4600
03:23:25,320 --> 03:23:29,680
Councillor Gardner.

4601
03:23:27,040 --> 03:23:29,680
A seconder?

4602
03:23:32,080 --> 03:23:35,640
Councillor Thompson.

4603
03:23:34,480 --> 03:23:38,640
Go ahead, Councillor Gardner.

4604
03:23:35,640 --> 03:23:41,120
» Thank you. We We talked about this uh

4605
03:23:38,640 --> 03:23:43,760
at the Committee of the Whole about the

4606
03:23:41,120 --> 03:23:44,960
reporting process.

4607
03:23:43,760 --> 03:23:49,480
And

4608
03:23:44,960 --> 03:23:52,720
uh I thought that it was agreed that

4609
03:23:49,480 --> 03:23:53,800
reports from conferences

4610
03:23:52,720 --> 03:23:57,120
um

4611
03:23:53,800 --> 03:23:59,120
would be done within the next council

4612
03:23:57,120 --> 03:24:00,440
cycle.

4613
03:23:59,120 --> 03:24:02,840
Because [clears throat] we want the

4614
03:24:00,440 --> 03:24:05,160
information brought to us to be

4615
03:24:02,840 --> 03:24:07,000
uh as um

4616
03:24:05,160 --> 03:24:09,280
helpful as possible, as pertinent as

4617
03:24:07,000 --> 03:24:10,720
possible. And uh

4618
03:24:09,280 --> 03:24:12,880
I believe that

4619
03:24:10,720 --> 03:24:16,040
the council cycle

4620
03:24:12,880 --> 03:24:19,160
following the conference or

4621
03:24:16,040 --> 03:24:19,160
event attended.

4622
03:24:23,600 --> 03:24:27,400
» Yeah. Let me add that.

4623
03:24:26,000 --> 03:24:29,840
» Yes.

4624
03:24:27,400 --> 03:24:29,840
» Perfect.

4625
03:24:30,480 --> 03:24:34,440
» It's just a the memo would be

4626
03:24:36,720 --> 03:24:39,080
» Councillor Gardner, with the wording of

4627
03:24:37,960 --> 03:24:42,000
that.

4628
03:24:39,080 --> 03:24:42,000
And maybe put it up.

4629
03:24:42,960 --> 03:24:48,080
» It should just be in the next cyc- in

4630
03:24:44,600 --> 03:24:48,080
the next council cycle.

4631
03:24:48,480 --> 03:24:51,680
The third bullet.

4632
03:24:59,960 --> 03:25:03,240
» I I I'd like to know what it already

4633
03:25:01,760 --> 03:25:05,320
was, cuz I thought that's what it was.

4634
03:25:03,240 --> 03:25:06,440
Sorry, Chair. But I

4635
03:25:05,320 --> 03:25:08,520
It

4636
03:25:06,440 --> 03:25:12,240
It says um

4637
03:25:08,520 --> 03:25:14,840
in the town's semi-annual reporting of

4638
03:25:12,240 --> 03:25:17,800
your remuneration and expenses for

4639
03:25:14,840 --> 03:25:19,240
members of council.

4640
03:25:17,800 --> 03:25:22,200
Like it it

4641
03:25:19,240 --> 03:25:24,040
it has nothing to do with that.

4642
03:25:22,200 --> 03:25:26,240
And the information should be as current

4643
03:25:24,040 --> 03:25:29,840
as possible. Why should we

4644
03:25:26,240 --> 03:25:31,480
expect it on a semi-annual basis

4645
03:25:29,840 --> 03:25:34,040
when it may not even be relevant

4646
03:25:31,480 --> 03:25:34,040
anymore?

4647
03:25:41,280 --> 03:25:46,680
» Mr. Chair, if I could jump in.

4648
03:25:44,200 --> 03:25:49,600
» Sure, please do.

4649
03:25:46,680 --> 03:25:52,360
» And Julia, can you please stop sharing

4650
03:25:49,600 --> 03:25:52,360
your screen?

4651
03:25:52,640 --> 03:25:56,920
The motion from the committee of the

4652
03:25:54,360 --> 03:26:00,400
whole includes

4653
03:25:56,920 --> 03:26:03,040
a report back framework which requires

4654
03:26:00,400 --> 03:26:06,080
the member to report back at the next

4655
03:26:03,040 --> 03:26:09,400
council meeting. Is that Is that

4656
03:26:06,080 --> 03:26:13,000
included in the motion that's presented

4657
03:26:09,400 --> 03:26:16,360
to council tonight? Is your intention to

4658
03:26:13,000 --> 03:26:16,360
change that or

4659
03:26:17,400 --> 03:26:25,760
» This is the June 2nd report.

4660
03:26:22,200 --> 03:26:28,520
I'm looking at the June 2nd report. It's

4661
03:26:25,760 --> 03:26:32,000
8.5.1

4662
03:26:28,520 --> 03:26:36,200
and clause 3 is still the clause that

4663
03:26:32,000 --> 03:26:36,200
was presented at committee of the whole.

4664
03:26:37,400 --> 03:26:43,440
So I So just just I I amendment to

4665
03:26:41,920 --> 03:26:45,520
make it

4666
03:26:43,440 --> 03:26:49,800
at the next

4667
03:26:45,520 --> 03:26:52,920
The report back would be during the next

4668
03:26:49,800 --> 03:26:52,920
council cycle.

4669
03:26:54,000 --> 03:26:59,680
» Yes, and what we can do is present the

4670
03:26:56,520 --> 03:27:02,800
motion on the screen for you to read out

4671
03:26:59,680 --> 03:27:02,800
before you vote on it.

4672
03:27:03,840 --> 03:27:08,880
» Thank you. I thought that's what we

4673
03:27:05,640 --> 03:27:11,560
decided last time.

4674
03:27:08,880 --> 03:27:11,560
Last meeting.

4675
03:27:19,640 --> 03:27:24,640
Um it um I

4676
03:27:22,040 --> 03:27:26,520
Councilor Kim pointed out, I believe, at

4677
03:27:24,640 --> 03:27:28,680
the Committee of the Whole

4678
03:27:26,520 --> 03:27:31,920
um

4679
03:27:28,680 --> 03:27:34,920
the next Council cycle.

4680
03:27:31,920 --> 03:27:36,800
So, during that

4681
03:27:34,920 --> 03:27:39,800
Does that I don't think that's the same

4682
03:27:36,800 --> 03:27:43,160
as Council meeting.

4683
03:27:39,800 --> 03:27:43,160
If it is, I'm fine with it.

4684
03:27:47,000 --> 03:27:51,160
» Yeah, I believe that's the intention is

4685
03:27:48,560 --> 03:27:51,880
next next cycle will be the Council

4686
03:27:51,160 --> 03:27:53,920
meeting.

4687
03:27:51,880 --> 03:27:57,120
» Okay.

4688
03:27:53,920 --> 03:27:57,120
That's great. Thank you.

4689
03:27:59,480 --> 03:28:06,320
» Okay, so call the vote for any questions

4690
03:28:02,040 --> 03:28:06,320
or further comments on the amendment.

4691
03:28:06,840 --> 03:28:11,680
Okay, I see that uh

4692
03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:14,080
this live voting is on, so I'll call the

4693
03:28:11,680 --> 03:28:14,080
vote.

4694
03:28:27,360 --> 03:28:32,360
Okay, that passes.

4695
03:28:29,680 --> 03:28:33,600
Going back to the main motion.

4696
03:28:32,360 --> 03:28:36,080
Any comments or questions on the main

4697
03:28:33,600 --> 03:28:36,080
motion?

4698
03:28:39,160 --> 03:28:42,160
» I thought that was the main motion.

4699
03:28:40,760 --> 03:28:45,160
» Yeah, I thought that was the main

4700
03:28:42,160 --> 03:28:47,600
motion. I thought that was the

4701
03:28:45,160 --> 03:28:49,520
» No, that was the main motion.

4702
03:28:47,600 --> 03:28:51,400
» Oh, okay. I thought the uh

4703
03:28:49,520 --> 03:28:53,800
» There was no amendment.

4704
03:28:51,400 --> 03:28:53,800
» Okay.

4705
03:28:56,080 --> 03:29:01,880
Move to the next item then.

4706
03:28:59,040 --> 03:29:03,520
8.5.2

4707
03:29:01,880 --> 03:29:04,880
» Thank you. It's mine.

4708
03:29:03,520 --> 03:29:06,080
» Yes, Councillor Gardner.

4709
03:29:04,880 --> 03:29:08,320
» I just wanted to

4710
03:29:06,080 --> 03:29:09,760
» Actually, before you do that,

4711
03:29:08,320 --> 03:29:11,000
you'll move that?

4712
03:29:09,760 --> 03:29:14,240
» I move that.

4713
03:29:11,000 --> 03:29:16,000
» Okay, a second it, please.

4714
03:29:14,240 --> 03:29:17,680
Councillor Weese, thank you.

4715
03:29:16,000 --> 03:29:18,720
Go ahead, Councillor Gardner Councillor

4716
03:29:17,680 --> 03:29:20,320
Gardner.

4717
03:29:18,720 --> 03:29:22,320
» I just wanted to publicly thank

4718
03:29:20,320 --> 03:29:24,040
Councillor Weese for

4719
03:29:22,320 --> 03:29:27,680
um

4720
03:29:24,040 --> 03:29:29,920
understanding the concern of the uh

4721
03:29:27,680 --> 03:29:31,120
St. Andrew's Village

4722
03:29:29,920 --> 03:29:34,960
um

4723
03:29:31,120 --> 03:29:38,040
residents and businesses and uh

4724
03:29:34,960 --> 03:29:41,320
and and acting on it and uh

4725
03:29:38,040 --> 03:29:44,480
it's pretty fast for council procedure.

4726
03:29:41,320 --> 03:29:47,280
So, thank you, Councillor Weese.

4727
03:29:44,480 --> 03:29:47,280
That's all I have.

4728
03:29:49,480 --> 03:29:52,760
» Any other comments or questions?

4729
03:29:53,320 --> 03:29:56,280
Okay, I'll call the vote.

4730
03:30:23,560 --> 03:30:26,400
That passes.

4731
03:30:28,000 --> 03:30:33,360
Next item.

4732
03:30:30,360 --> 03:30:33,360
8.8.1

4733
03:30:33,520 --> 03:30:37,600
» It's mine.

4734
03:30:36,160 --> 03:30:39,440
» Go ahead, Councillor

4735
03:30:37,600 --> 03:30:43,360
you'll move it, 8.8.1?

4736
03:30:39,440 --> 03:30:46,920
» Yeah, yes. Uh no, sorry, no.

4737
03:30:43,360 --> 03:30:46,920
» Oh, will anyone move it?

4738
03:30:48,400 --> 03:30:52,400
Councillor Gillan

4739
03:30:49,960 --> 03:30:55,000
Seconded by Councillor Gallo.

4740
03:30:52,400 --> 03:30:57,760
Uh go ahead, Councillor Gardner.

4741
03:30:55,000 --> 03:31:01,440
» Uh I just wanted on the record on a

4742
03:30:57,760 --> 03:31:03,560
recorded vote that I do not support this

4743
03:31:01,440 --> 03:31:07,440
simply for the reason

4744
03:31:03,560 --> 03:31:10,360
that there is no record, and I tried

4745
03:31:07,440 --> 03:31:13,320
very hard to find it. There is no record

4746
03:31:10,360 --> 03:31:15,160
that your Georgian Council ever changed

4747
03:31:13,320 --> 03:31:17,000
this land from employment to

4748
03:31:15,160 --> 03:31:19,640
residential.

4749
03:31:17,000 --> 03:31:22,200
So, I am going to vote

4750
03:31:19,640 --> 03:31:25,120
one puts that on the record, and just

4751
03:31:22,200 --> 03:31:25,120
have to vote on it.

4752
03:31:27,440 --> 03:31:31,360
» You have other comments?

4753
03:31:29,600 --> 03:31:33,200
Sir, go ahead, Councillor Gardner.

4754
03:31:31,360 --> 03:31:37,280
» We just we're talking about the

4755
03:31:33,200 --> 03:31:38,840
development at at Leslie and Wellington

4756
03:31:37,280 --> 03:31:42,240
on the corner.

4757
03:31:38,840 --> 03:31:43,800
That land was employment, and I don't

4758
03:31:42,240 --> 03:31:46,080
believe it was ever changed to

4759
03:31:43,800 --> 03:31:49,000
residential.

4760
03:31:46,080 --> 03:31:50,680
So, uh just like a recorded vote on that

4761
03:31:49,000 --> 03:31:53,960
so I can

4762
03:31:50,680 --> 03:31:53,960
express my opposition.

4763
03:31:56,920 --> 03:32:00,680
» Anyone else for comments?

4764
03:32:07,240 --> 03:32:10,240
So, I'll call the vote.

4765
03:32:10,760 --> 03:32:14,000
Madam Clerk, uh

4766
03:32:12,480 --> 03:32:16,440
Councillor Gardner wanted a recorded

4767
03:32:14,000 --> 03:32:17,720
vote.

4768
03:32:16,440 --> 03:32:20,000
» Oh.

4769
03:32:17,720 --> 03:32:20,000
Well,

4770
03:32:20,880 --> 03:32:25,240
it

4771
03:32:22,440 --> 03:32:27,920
It will be on the record if we vote for

4772
03:32:25,240 --> 03:32:27,920
East Gwillimbury.

4773
03:32:28,000 --> 03:32:31,880
» It still will.

4774
03:32:29,320 --> 03:32:31,880
» Yes.

4775
03:32:36,400 --> 03:32:39,320
» Councillor Wice.

4776
03:32:40,040 --> 03:32:44,200
Go ahead, Councillor Gardner.

4777
03:32:41,520 --> 03:32:45,680
» Um I spoke to this at Committee of the

4778
03:32:44,200 --> 03:32:46,800
Whole

4779
03:32:45,680 --> 03:32:49,400
um

4780
03:32:46,800 --> 03:32:52,480
because of the layout of the street,

4781
03:32:49,400 --> 03:32:54,640
since then I've spoken to our traffic

4782
03:32:52,480 --> 03:32:58,400
analyst for planning

4783
03:32:54,640 --> 03:33:00,840
and there is a very large business park

4784
03:32:58,400 --> 03:33:02,560
called Allure Gardens

4785
03:33:00,840 --> 03:33:04,600
that goes

4786
03:33:02,560 --> 03:33:04,600
um

4787
03:33:04,720 --> 03:33:12,320
from the curve almost up to Edward

4788
03:33:08,480 --> 03:33:15,640
and they don't own the land

4789
03:33:12,320 --> 03:33:18,760
onto Edward, so it means that

4790
03:33:15,640 --> 03:33:22,000
unless they purchase that land that all

4791
03:33:18,760 --> 03:33:24,520
of the traffic, the trucks, everything

4792
03:33:22,000 --> 03:33:27,080
will be coming out onto Allura

4793
03:33:24,520 --> 03:33:30,320
and add that to the traffic from the

4794
03:33:27,080 --> 03:33:33,880
subdivision and from the plaza and I

4795
03:33:30,320 --> 03:33:35,480
think it's a real safety issue, so

4796
03:33:33,880 --> 03:33:37,680
um

4797
03:33:35,480 --> 03:33:39,640
I would like

4798
03:33:37,680 --> 03:33:42,680
I would like the vote calls. I'd like to

4799
03:33:39,640 --> 03:33:42,680
vote against it.

4800
03:33:55,840 --> 03:34:03,360
Uh, this is uh

4801
03:33:57,320 --> 03:34:03,360
exactly at 1620 and 22

4802
03:34:03,640 --> 03:34:10,440
Allura

4803
03:34:05,040 --> 03:34:10,440
which is just on the curve of Allura.

4804
03:34:20,280 --> 03:34:24,480
» You're on mute, Councillor.

4805
03:34:22,280 --> 03:34:24,480
» Yeah.

4806
03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:30,520
» Sorry. Uh, so we'll call the vote if

4807
03:34:26,720 --> 03:34:30,520
there's no other comments or questions.

4808
03:34:49,640 --> 03:34:52,400
» That carries.

4809
03:34:54,720 --> 03:34:59,800
The last item is

4810
03:34:58,040 --> 03:35:01,760
8.8.

4811
03:34:59,800 --> 03:35:03,880
4. I believe that's uh Councillor

4812
03:35:01,760 --> 03:35:05,160
Thompson.

4813
03:35:03,880 --> 03:35:06,560
Would you like to move that, Councillor

4814
03:35:05,160 --> 03:35:08,480
Thompson?

4815
03:35:06,560 --> 03:35:11,560
» That's fine.

4816
03:35:08,480 --> 03:35:11,560
» Okay. Councillor Thompson.

4817
03:35:12,280 --> 03:35:16,640
Councillor Gillan.

4818
03:35:13,880 --> 03:35:17,360
Go ahead, Councillor Thompson.

4819
03:35:16,640 --> 03:35:19,520
» Uh

4820
03:35:17,360 --> 03:35:22,520
thank you. Um through you to to Mr.

4821
03:35:19,520 --> 03:35:24,760
Ramuno. Mr. Ramuno, with regards to the

4822
03:35:22,520 --> 03:35:26,520
allocation for this property,

4823
03:35:24,760 --> 03:35:29,360
um you know, we've talked in the past

4824
03:35:26,520 --> 03:35:31,040
about uh we have a limited supply and

4825
03:35:29,360 --> 03:35:32,840
that concept of that it really should be

4826
03:35:31,040 --> 03:35:35,880
allocated on a first come, first served

4827
03:35:32,840 --> 03:35:38,120
basis. Is there a way to apply a a

4828
03:35:35,880 --> 03:35:40,520
sunset clause, or I think we already do

4829
03:35:38,120 --> 03:35:43,240
that, but um a way to shorten the time

4830
03:35:40,520 --> 03:35:47,520
frame sunset clause to say maybe 18 or

4831
03:35:43,240 --> 03:35:50,160
24 months, just to ensure that um if

4832
03:35:47,520 --> 03:35:51,960
they are not shovels ready, then we're

4833
03:35:50,160 --> 03:35:54,080
not tying up any allocation and it can

4834
03:35:51,960 --> 03:35:56,360
be utilized for other projects that may

4835
03:35:54,080 --> 03:35:56,360
be

4836
03:35:56,960 --> 03:36:01,360
» Mr. Ramuno.

4837
03:35:59,200 --> 03:36:03,120
» Sorry, through you, Mr. Chair. Uh we can

4838
03:36:01,360 --> 03:36:04,720
do that. Um

4839
03:36:03,120 --> 03:36:06,840
that's council's wish. Uh we have the

4840
03:36:04,720 --> 03:36:08,720
implementing bylaws

4841
03:36:06,840 --> 03:36:11,120
uh for this uh

4842
03:36:08,720 --> 03:36:13,160
uh 14070

4843
03:36:11,120 --> 03:36:15,520
Young Street, the implementing zoning

4844
03:36:13,160 --> 03:36:17,440
bylaw um

4845
03:36:15,520 --> 03:36:20,320
on council this evening. So, if you

4846
03:36:17,440 --> 03:36:22,240
wanted to uh impose a uh

4847
03:36:20,320 --> 03:36:23,800
a sunset clause uh 2 years, we can

4848
03:36:22,240 --> 03:36:24,760
certainly do that.

4849
03:36:23,800 --> 03:36:27,000
Um

4850
03:36:24,760 --> 03:36:29,960
just provide that direction, um I guess,

4851
03:36:27,000 --> 03:36:32,720
so when we pull out those bylaws, um

4852
03:36:29,960 --> 03:36:34,720
that change is is recorded, and we can

4853
03:36:32,720 --> 03:36:37,120
make that change um

4854
03:36:34,720 --> 03:36:41,120
uh tomorrow uh prior to the bylaws being

4855
03:36:37,120 --> 03:36:41,120
signed by the uh clerk and the uh

4856
03:36:41,680 --> 03:36:45,175
» Mr. Thompson.

4857
03:36:43,240 --> 03:36:45,400
» Thank you. Um

4858
03:36:45,175 --> 03:36:47,080
» [clears throat]

4859
03:36:45,400 --> 03:36:50,400
» We have 12 bylaws on this evening. Do

4860
03:36:47,080 --> 03:36:50,400
you know which one it is specifically?

4861
03:36:51,200 --> 03:36:56,680
» Do you, Mr. uh

4862
03:36:53,840 --> 03:36:59,520
Yeah, so it's if you just uh refer to

4863
03:36:56,680 --> 03:37:00,840
the uh the address 14070

4864
03:36:59,520 --> 03:37:03,240
Young Street.

4865
03:37:00,840 --> 03:37:03,240
Um

4866
03:37:03,560 --> 03:37:06,480
I'll try and

4867
03:37:05,160 --> 03:37:07,600
Okay.

4868
03:37:06,480 --> 03:37:09,040
» Okay, I'll get to it by the time we get

4869
03:37:07,600 --> 03:37:09,920
to the bylaws for sure then. I just

4870
03:37:09,040 --> 03:37:10,520
thought maybe you'd have a quick

4871
03:37:09,920 --> 03:37:11,800
reference to it.

4872
03:37:10,520 --> 03:37:13,200
» I'll find a number.

4873
03:37:11,800 --> 03:37:14,520
» That's fine then then I'll pull the

4874
03:37:13,200 --> 03:37:16,400
bylaw and then I'll put forward that

4875
03:37:14,520 --> 03:37:19,160
amendment to shorten that sunset clause

4876
03:37:16,400 --> 03:37:20,920
to 2 years. Um just to confirm you don't

4877
03:37:19,160 --> 03:37:23,840
have any concerns at this time by

4878
03:37:20,920 --> 03:37:26,680
shortening it to to the 2-year period.

4879
03:37:23,840 --> 03:37:26,680
Through you, Mr. Chair.

4880
03:37:27,720 --> 03:37:31,280
» Through you, Mr. Chair.

4881
03:37:29,040 --> 03:37:32,760
I'm fine with the 2-year sunset clause,

4882
03:37:31,280 --> 03:37:35,120
uh Councillor Thompson.

4883
03:37:32,760 --> 03:37:35,120
» Thank you.

4884
03:37:36,640 --> 03:37:39,200
» Councillor Gallo.

4885
03:37:46,800 --> 03:37:50,880
Councillor Gallo, you have your hand up.

4886
03:37:48,720 --> 03:37:52,840
» Oh, yeah. Sorry, I didn't hear you.

4887
03:37:50,880 --> 03:37:54,600
Um yeah, I'm just trying to understand

4888
03:37:52,840 --> 03:37:58,760
the rationale

4889
03:37:54,600 --> 03:38:01,440
for this specific property versus all of

4890
03:37:58,760 --> 03:38:02,800
the other ones that we've done.

4891
03:38:01,440 --> 03:38:06,240
Uh there's probably some on the agenda

4892
03:38:02,800 --> 03:38:09,800
tonight uh as well as last month.

4893
03:38:06,240 --> 03:38:12,240
Uh we had the one on Leslie on the east

4894
03:38:09,800 --> 03:38:14,240
side north of Wellington that gave a

4895
03:38:12,240 --> 03:38:16,800
green light right away.

4896
03:38:14,240 --> 03:38:19,840
Um how come we're picking on this one to

4897
03:38:16,800 --> 03:38:19,840
reduce that time frame?

4898
03:38:20,360 --> 03:38:22,400
» I'd be fine if someone would like to

4899
03:38:21,400 --> 03:38:25,560
respond.

4900
03:38:22,400 --> 03:38:27,600
» Sure. I I'd be fine with with making it

4901
03:38:25,560 --> 03:38:29,920
a change in general to to a 2-year

4902
03:38:27,600 --> 03:38:31,760
period rather than the 3-year period

4903
03:38:29,920 --> 03:38:33,080
based on the fact that I just believe

4904
03:38:31,760 --> 03:38:35,360
that it's first come first serve right

4905
03:38:33,080 --> 03:38:38,360
now until our allocation situation

4906
03:38:35,360 --> 03:38:40,000
improves. Um

4907
03:38:38,360 --> 03:38:42,600
and quite frankly,

4908
03:38:40,000 --> 03:38:44,080
I wasn't really sure until I talked to

4909
03:38:42,600 --> 03:38:46,800
Mr. Romano specifically about this

4910
03:38:44,080 --> 03:38:48,960
project. I know that in talking to him

4911
03:38:46,800 --> 03:38:50,640
he has a lot more or he has come more

4912
03:38:48,960 --> 03:38:52,960
confidence I would say with regards to

4913
03:38:50,640 --> 03:38:55,320
1289 and the fact that

4914
03:38:52,960 --> 03:38:56,880
they are shovels ready and that he

4915
03:38:55,320 --> 03:38:59,440
certainly feels that they will move

4916
03:38:56,880 --> 03:39:02,040
forward quickly on the build of that.

4917
03:38:59,440 --> 03:39:03,600
So, I guess we could impose the same

4918
03:39:02,040 --> 03:39:05,320
restriction, but there seems to be a

4919
03:39:03,600 --> 03:39:08,160
higher degree of confidence that it will

4920
03:39:05,320 --> 03:39:11,360
happen within the next 2 years. This

4921
03:39:08,160 --> 03:39:13,680
particular property I may not share that

4922
03:39:11,360 --> 03:39:16,120
same level of confidence and so that's

4923
03:39:13,680 --> 03:39:17,360
why I wanted to put this forward. At the

4924
03:39:16,120 --> 03:39:19,520
end of the day, if they are shovels

4925
03:39:17,360 --> 03:39:21,600
ready and and they're able to get

4926
03:39:19,520 --> 03:39:23,880
building and then so be it. There's no

4927
03:39:21,600 --> 03:39:25,880
concern, but I just don't want it to be

4928
03:39:23,880 --> 03:39:27,680
sitting at the on the sidelines when

4929
03:39:25,880 --> 03:39:29,040
we're dealing with issues around

4930
03:39:27,680 --> 03:39:31,600
allocation.

4931
03:39:29,040 --> 03:39:34,120
And if council's open to

4932
03:39:31,600 --> 03:39:35,760
improving the sunset clause to 2 years

4933
03:39:34,120 --> 03:39:38,560
from 3 years, I'm fine with applying it

4934
03:39:35,760 --> 03:39:38,560
across the board.

4935
03:39:38,720 --> 03:39:42,480
» And and through you, Mr. Chair, I I have

4936
03:39:41,000 --> 03:39:45,160
no issues with that if we're treating

4937
03:39:42,480 --> 03:39:46,320
everyone equally. Had we established a

4938
03:39:45,160 --> 03:39:50,240
rule,

4939
03:39:46,320 --> 03:39:52,800
then anyone everyone falls it falls

4940
03:39:50,240 --> 03:39:54,320
through with it. I just

4941
03:39:52,800 --> 03:39:56,120
um

4942
03:39:54,320 --> 03:39:58,240
I'm not in fair favor of of

4943
03:39:56,120 --> 03:40:00,720
cherry-picking as as we go when we've

4944
03:39:58,240 --> 03:40:02,800
just given a few green lights to other

4945
03:40:00,720 --> 03:40:04,320
applications.

4946
03:40:02,800 --> 03:40:06,000
I I

4947
03:40:04,320 --> 03:40:07,760
don't know these applicants in any

4948
03:40:06,000 --> 03:40:10,280
intimacy any of them.

4949
03:40:07,760 --> 03:40:12,400
I just want to implement these types of

4950
03:40:10,280 --> 03:40:14,160
things equally

4951
03:40:12,400 --> 03:40:15,640
to everyone.

4952
03:40:14,160 --> 03:40:16,880
Um

4953
03:40:15,640 --> 03:40:19,160
Just don't understand why we're starting

4954
03:40:16,880 --> 03:40:19,160
now.

4955
03:40:21,160 --> 03:40:25,720
» Thank you, Councillor Gallo.

4956
03:40:22,960 --> 03:40:25,720
Councillor Gillan.

4957
03:40:26,800 --> 03:40:34,760
» Thank you. Um, I thought that um

4958
03:40:30,440 --> 03:40:37,720
um a good point was raised about uh

4959
03:40:34,760 --> 03:40:39,240
adding a sunset reducing a sunset clause

4960
03:40:37,720 --> 03:40:40,480
from one project to another that's

4961
03:40:39,240 --> 03:40:42,640
different.

4962
03:40:40,480 --> 03:40:45,680
And I I do think we need to be fair

4963
03:40:42,640 --> 03:40:47,240
across the board um of how we treat

4964
03:40:45,680 --> 03:40:49,280
everybody. It shouldn't just be one or

4965
03:40:47,240 --> 03:40:51,880
the other. So, I kind of agree with

4966
03:40:49,280 --> 03:40:55,080
that. And then also uh through Mr. Chair

4967
03:40:51,880 --> 03:40:57,000
to Mr. Ramuno um

4968
03:40:55,080 --> 03:40:59,400
obviously in today's climate and getting

4969
03:40:57,000 --> 03:41:00,680
capital to get the funding to move

4970
03:40:59,400 --> 03:41:02,840
forward to get the shovel in the ground

4971
03:41:00,680 --> 03:41:03,960
is going to vary from time to time.

4972
03:41:02,840 --> 03:41:05,160
Are there

4973
03:41:03,960 --> 03:41:07,000
Is there are there a lot of other

4974
03:41:05,160 --> 03:41:08,520
municipalities right now that have made

4975
03:41:07,000 --> 03:41:09,920
that change from three to two years? I'm

4976
03:41:08,520 --> 03:41:12,560
not saying I

4977
03:41:09,920 --> 03:41:13,840
I wouldn't consider it, um but I I just

4978
03:41:12,560 --> 03:41:15,000
kind of wanted to know what your opinion

4979
03:41:13,840 --> 03:41:17,520
was on that

4980
03:41:15,000 --> 03:41:20,200
right now. Um I'm not saying I'm going

4981
03:41:17,520 --> 03:41:23,560
to be in favor of the uh amendment, but

4982
03:41:20,200 --> 03:41:23,560
I wanted to have your input.

4983
03:41:23,640 --> 03:41:27,440
» Mr. Ramuno.

4984
03:41:25,040 --> 03:41:29,280
» And through

4985
03:41:27,440 --> 03:41:30,120
to Mr. Chair. So, I think I believe

4986
03:41:29,280 --> 03:41:32,520
we're still one of the first

4987
03:41:30,120 --> 03:41:33,360
municipalities in post sunset clauses. I

4988
03:41:32,520 --> 03:41:35,280
know

4989
03:41:33,360 --> 03:41:36,720
there are other municipalities who are

4990
03:41:35,280 --> 03:41:39,320
aware of what we are doing here, what

4991
03:41:36,720 --> 03:41:41,240
council is doing with respect to sunset

4992
03:41:39,320 --> 03:41:43,400
sunset clauses. I'm just not sure how

4993
03:41:41,240 --> 03:41:46,240
many have actually followed through in

4994
03:41:43,400 --> 03:41:49,200
imposing them. Um

4995
03:41:46,240 --> 03:41:51,120
Again, with respect to uh Councillor uh

4996
03:41:49,200 --> 03:41:53,520
Thompson's request, and that bylaw

4997
03:41:51,120 --> 03:41:55,160
number is 12.7.

4998
03:41:53,520 --> 03:41:57,040
Um

4999
03:41:55,160 --> 03:41:59,920
I you know, I think this applicant is

5000
03:41:57,040 --> 03:42:01,320
also anxious to get moving, but

5001
03:41:59,920 --> 03:42:03,440
you know, with respect to that, this

5002
03:42:01,320 --> 03:42:05,120
application on Young Street, it has been

5003
03:42:03,440 --> 03:42:08,240
sitting around for years, probably more

5004
03:42:05,120 --> 03:42:10,400
than a decade with some allocation. So,

5005
03:42:08,240 --> 03:42:12,880
it is one of those applications that has

5006
03:42:10,400 --> 03:42:15,560
approvals dating back years and has been

5007
03:42:12,880 --> 03:42:17,440
banking on allocation the first portion

5008
03:42:15,560 --> 03:42:19,640
of allocation. But again, I'll take

5009
03:42:17,440 --> 03:42:21,960
direction from council. Um if you want

5010
03:42:19,640 --> 03:42:24,760
to do lower the sunset clause to two

5011
03:42:21,960 --> 03:42:28,440
years for only this one applicant or

5012
03:42:24,760 --> 03:42:28,440
right across the board moving forward.

5013
03:42:30,400 --> 03:42:35,280
» Councillor Gallant.

5014
03:42:32,520 --> 03:42:36,720
» Thank you. Um okay, I I understand and I

5015
03:42:35,280 --> 03:42:38,400
haven't really

5016
03:42:36,720 --> 03:42:40,760
looked at this

5017
03:42:38,400 --> 03:42:41,840
history of this property. Um although it

5018
03:42:40,760 --> 03:42:44,320
sounds like you're confident they're

5019
03:42:41,840 --> 03:42:46,080
going to go forward, but again like I

5020
03:42:44,320 --> 03:42:46,920
I just don't feel like we should just be

5021
03:42:46,080 --> 03:42:49,600
uh

5022
03:42:46,920 --> 03:42:52,160
um cherry-picking. I I'm glad that we

5023
03:42:49,600 --> 03:42:54,320
have a sunset clause and in fact I think

5024
03:42:52,160 --> 03:42:57,160
it's Councillor Thompson's idea to put a

5025
03:42:54,320 --> 03:42:58,400
um a sunset clause if I'm not mistaken.

5026
03:42:57,160 --> 03:43:00,160
Um

5027
03:42:58,400 --> 03:43:02,160
but I just I just feel like I don't want

5028
03:43:00,160 --> 03:43:03,760
to be pinpointing somebody out tonight

5029
03:43:02,160 --> 03:43:05,400
just for the sake of

5030
03:43:03,760 --> 03:43:07,600
pinpointing somebody and if we want to

5031
03:43:05,400 --> 03:43:09,040
look at shortening then shortening that

5032
03:43:07,600 --> 03:43:11,200
term, then we should look at that and

5033
03:43:09,040 --> 03:43:13,240
what that effect or consequence of that

5034
03:43:11,200 --> 03:43:14,680
could be. I think we all know what the

5035
03:43:13,240 --> 03:43:16,320
intent of it is.

5036
03:43:14,680 --> 03:43:18,400
Um but I know having talked to some

5037
03:43:16,320 --> 03:43:21,160
industry too that sometimes uh the

5038
03:43:18,400 --> 03:43:23,360
capital of the market might dictate and

5039
03:43:21,160 --> 03:43:25,720
I certainly wouldn't want to

5040
03:43:23,360 --> 03:43:27,200
be too harsh with the going from three

5041
03:43:25,720 --> 03:43:28,600
to two on a broad stroke and I think

5042
03:43:27,200 --> 03:43:30,320
that would require a separate motion

5043
03:43:28,600 --> 03:43:31,720
anyway if we were going to make that

5044
03:43:30,320 --> 03:43:33,120
change. So

5045
03:43:31,720 --> 03:43:35,360
um

5046
03:43:33,120 --> 03:43:38,960
I where I stand on this particular one,

5047
03:43:35,360 --> 03:43:38,960
I I prefer not to cherry-pick.

5048
03:43:42,240 --> 03:43:45,080
» Any further comments?

5049
03:43:46,880 --> 03:43:50,640
» Okay, I'll call the vote, please.

5050
03:43:52,760 --> 03:43:56,360
» Is this on an amendment or no amendment?

5051
03:43:55,800 --> 03:43:58,280
Mr. Chair.

5052
03:43:56,360 --> 03:44:02,560
» There is no amendments. Uh we're going

5053
03:43:58,280 --> 03:44:02,560
to poll the particular bylaw.

5054
03:44:25,200 --> 03:44:30,560
» Do the passes.

5055
03:44:27,680 --> 03:44:31,400
We've got some new business. Um

5056
03:44:30,560 --> 03:44:33,800
» Um

5057
03:44:31,400 --> 03:44:37,240
» I believe

5058
03:44:33,800 --> 03:44:37,240
our CEO has

5059
03:44:37,680 --> 03:44:42,400
» Sorry, we have item nines. Do we not Do

5060
03:44:40,320 --> 03:44:44,360
we not have consideration of items

5061
03:44:42,400 --> 03:44:44,720
requiring discussion in section nine?

5062
03:44:44,360 --> 03:44:47,040
Still?

5063
03:44:44,720 --> 03:44:49,720
» 9.4

5064
03:44:47,040 --> 03:44:50,535
» I have one, two, three.

5065
03:44:49,720 --> 03:44:52,555
» Oh.

5066
03:44:50,535 --> 03:44:52,555
» [laughter]

5067
03:45:00,840 --> 03:45:05,160
» I I pulled 9.4, I think. Do we pulled

5068
03:45:03,480 --> 03:45:07,680
all the others?

5069
03:45:05,160 --> 03:45:09,600
» Do we Sorry, I didn't see that.

5070
03:45:07,680 --> 03:45:12,400
9.4?

5071
03:45:09,600 --> 03:45:15,120
» I I I don't know if anybody pulled 9.1,

5072
03:45:12,400 --> 03:45:15,120
two, three.

5073
03:45:16,600 --> 03:45:22,800
» We were never asked to pull nines, so.

5074
03:45:19,040 --> 03:45:22,800
» Oh, we were never asked to pull nines.

5075
03:45:24,080 --> 03:45:27,040
» Yes, that's

5076
03:45:25,560 --> 03:45:28,840
my fault then.

5077
03:45:27,040 --> 03:45:32,120
Was there anyone anything that anyone

5078
03:45:28,840 --> 03:45:35,640
wanted to pull in section nine?

5079
03:45:32,120 --> 03:45:39,440
» 9.1 and 9.2 just for a vote from

5080
03:45:35,640 --> 03:45:39,440
» And 9.4 for a comment.

5081
03:45:39,640 --> 03:45:43,000
» Okay.

5082
03:45:42,000 --> 03:45:44,840
Good.

5083
03:45:43,000 --> 03:45:48,240
9.1

5084
03:45:44,840 --> 03:45:48,240
How's it going, you all want it?

5085
03:45:50,640 --> 03:45:54,360
» I won't be supporting it, so.

5086
03:45:52,800 --> 03:45:56,800
» Okay. Can I have a mover for 9.1,

5087
03:45:54,360 --> 03:45:56,800
please?

5088
03:45:56,840 --> 03:45:59,680
Councilor Gilman?

5089
03:46:08,560 --> 03:46:14,080
Okay. Councilor Thompson?

5090
03:46:11,480 --> 03:46:14,840
Go ahead, Councilor Gallo.

5091
03:46:14,080 --> 03:46:16,280
» No comments,

5092
03:46:14,840 --> 03:46:18,240
» To the vote.

5093
03:46:16,280 --> 03:46:19,480
» Okay, so we'll call the vote.

5094
03:46:18,240 --> 03:46:22,280
» Can you put the motion on the floor on

5095
03:46:19,480 --> 03:46:22,280
the uh screen?

5096
03:46:22,640 --> 03:46:26,680
» Madam Clerk, if you can put it on the

5097
03:46:24,040 --> 03:46:26,680
screen, please.

5098
03:46:27,280 --> 03:46:32,840
» Yes, we're working on that right now and

5099
03:46:29,680 --> 03:46:34,320
we're going to put 9.1 and 9.2 together.

5100
03:46:32,840 --> 03:46:36,240
» Yeah, I was going to say that. We're

5101
03:46:34,320 --> 03:46:38,640
working on that.

5102
03:46:36,240 --> 03:46:38,640
» Thank you.

5103
03:47:31,880 --> 03:47:34,320
Is that it to

5104
03:47:33,280 --> 03:47:36,720
Madam

5105
03:47:34,320 --> 03:47:36,720
Clerk?

5106
03:47:36,840 --> 03:47:40,360
» Yes, that's correct.

5107
03:47:38,280 --> 03:47:40,360
» Okay.

5108
03:47:43,040 --> 03:47:47,360
If there's no questions on the wording,

5109
03:47:44,240 --> 03:47:47,360
I'll call the vote.

5110
03:47:48,240 --> 03:47:51,800
For 9.1 and 9.2.

5111
03:48:02,320 --> 03:48:05,480
Okay, that carries.

5112
03:48:07,200 --> 03:48:11,120
9.4

5113
03:48:08,920 --> 03:48:11,880
Councilor Gardner, you pulled this?

5114
03:48:11,120 --> 03:48:13,440
Should I make a motion?

5115
03:48:11,880 --> 03:48:15,160
» Thank you.

5116
03:48:13,440 --> 03:48:18,560
Uh yes, I would.

5117
03:48:15,160 --> 03:48:18,560
» Okay. Can I have a secondary, please?

5118
03:48:20,680 --> 03:48:24,800
Councilor Gallo?

5119
03:48:22,160 --> 03:48:26,120
Uh go ahead, Councilor Gardner.

5120
03:48:24,800 --> 03:48:29,240
» Um

5121
03:48:26,120 --> 03:48:31,440
I have a question on page eight.

5122
03:48:29,240 --> 03:48:33,320
It says uh

5123
03:48:31,440 --> 03:48:35,840
and I I agree with staff that we didn't

5124
03:48:33,320 --> 03:48:38,920
apply for any of these projects. But it

5125
03:48:35,840 --> 03:48:41,880
says it is important also to note that

5126
03:48:38,920 --> 03:48:45,840
the town of Aurora's current

5127
03:48:41,880 --> 03:48:48,680
undiscounted development charge rates

5128
03:48:45,840 --> 03:48:52,720
remain the lowest among

5129
03:48:48,680 --> 03:48:55,240
all municipalities

5130
03:48:52,720 --> 03:48:56,960
within York Region.

5131
03:48:55,240 --> 03:48:59,040
So

5132
03:48:56,960 --> 03:49:03,480
I don't understand that.

5133
03:48:59,040 --> 03:49:05,480
Why would Aurora

5134
03:49:03,480 --> 03:49:07,040
remain the lowest among all the

5135
03:49:05,480 --> 03:49:10,000
municipalities

5136
03:49:07,040 --> 03:49:10,000
in York Region?

5137
03:49:10,920 --> 03:49:19,840
So I I Mr. Gardner isn't here.

5138
03:49:14,720 --> 03:49:21,800
Um so I guess then it would be

5139
03:49:19,840 --> 03:49:25,760
Mr. Rachel Wayneright

5140
03:49:21,800 --> 03:49:28,320
» South can uh take this question now.

5141
03:49:25,760 --> 03:49:30,320
» So each municipality has their own

5142
03:49:28,320 --> 03:49:32,440
individual development charge study and

5143
03:49:30,320 --> 03:49:34,920
bylaw in place um based on the

5144
03:49:32,440 --> 03:49:37,120
requirements for each of the towns.

5145
03:49:34,920 --> 03:49:40,000
Uh right now uh we are one of the

5146
03:49:37,120 --> 03:49:41,240
lowest. Georgina has a varying different

5147
03:49:40,000 --> 03:49:42,880
number of rates. Some of them are very

5148
03:49:41,240 --> 03:49:44,840
close to ours, but on average they're

5149
03:49:42,880 --> 03:49:47,520
just slightly less than ours. The

5150
03:49:44,840 --> 03:49:50,200
variability isn't too too significant.

5151
03:49:47,520 --> 03:49:53,400
Like our for a single um

5152
03:49:50,200 --> 03:49:56,920
single unit is 40,972.

5153
03:49:53,400 --> 03:49:58,240
Newmarket is at 44, King at 47, a few at

5154
03:49:56,920 --> 03:50:00,880
49.

5155
03:49:58,240 --> 03:50:03,960
Um there is right now uh Vaughan has a

5156
03:50:00,880 --> 03:50:05,880
temporary reduction in their DCs to zero

5157
03:50:03,960 --> 03:50:08,160
um, for

5158
03:50:05,880 --> 03:50:10,360
residential, but that is only temporary

5159
03:50:08,160 --> 03:50:13,920
in nature. But, we're still one of the

5160
03:50:10,360 --> 03:50:15,840
lower ones in in York Region.

5161
03:50:13,920 --> 03:50:17,120
And it's based on the needs, um, based

5162
03:50:15,840 --> 03:50:18,680
on the DC Act and the way it's

5163
03:50:17,120 --> 03:50:21,360
calculated.

5164
03:50:18,680 --> 03:50:23,520
» I'm sorry, it's based on the

5165
03:50:21,360 --> 03:50:26,000
» Development Charge Act. That's how it's

5166
03:50:23,520 --> 03:50:30,040
calculated.

5167
03:50:26,000 --> 03:50:32,280
» Okay, well, I think, uh,

5168
03:50:30,040 --> 03:50:35,000
we need the money. I don't think that,

5169
03:50:32,280 --> 03:50:35,960
uh, it's it should be, uh, a positive

5170
03:50:35,000 --> 03:50:37,440
thing

5171
03:50:35,960 --> 03:50:40,040
that

5172
03:50:37,440 --> 03:50:42,520
rates remain the lowest among all the

5173
03:50:40,040 --> 03:50:46,400
municipalities of York Region.

5174
03:50:42,520 --> 03:50:46,400
So, uh, that's my comment.

5175
03:50:48,640 --> 03:50:52,120
» Any other comments or questions, please?

5176
03:50:54,760 --> 03:50:57,640
Okay, I'll call the vote.

5177
03:51:15,080 --> 03:51:18,600
Okay, counselors,

5178
03:51:16,400 --> 03:51:20,640
uh, we need to go to

5179
03:51:18,600 --> 03:51:22,880
item 9.3 as this is the first time being

5180
03:51:20,640 --> 03:51:23,520
discussed. We still need to vote on it.

5181
03:51:22,880 --> 03:51:27,280
Um,

5182
03:51:23,520 --> 03:51:28,600
can I have a mover for 9.3, please?

5183
03:51:27,280 --> 03:51:30,480
Counselor Gallant,

5184
03:51:28,600 --> 03:51:32,560
Counselor Gallant, any comments or

5185
03:51:30,480 --> 03:51:35,360
questions on

5186
03:51:32,560 --> 03:51:35,360
9.3?

5187
03:51:37,720 --> 03:51:41,480
Okay, seeing none, I'll call the vote.

5188
03:52:09,360 --> 03:52:12,440
» And I do this.

5189
03:52:11,280 --> 03:52:14,640
Uh

5190
03:52:12,440 --> 03:52:16,720
We're 3 minutes to 11. I don't think

5191
03:52:14,640 --> 03:52:18,240
we're in need of all 30 minutes, but uh

5192
03:52:16,720 --> 03:52:21,040
can I

5193
03:52:18,240 --> 03:52:24,200
have someone move for a

5194
03:52:21,040 --> 03:52:26,040
an extra 30 minutes, please?

5195
03:52:24,200 --> 03:52:27,920
Councilor Lewis.

5196
03:52:26,040 --> 03:52:30,720
Councilor Thompson.

5197
03:52:27,920 --> 03:52:33,200
All those in favor?

5198
03:52:30,720 --> 03:52:34,560
Okay, that passes. So, we'll move to uh

5199
03:52:33,200 --> 03:52:37,400
new business.

5200
03:52:34,560 --> 03:52:38,400
Uh before we go to new business items,

5201
03:52:37,400 --> 03:52:41,200
uh

5202
03:52:38,400 --> 03:52:43,080
our solicitor has news on one of the

5203
03:52:41,200 --> 03:52:45,680
investigations.

5204
03:52:43,080 --> 03:52:45,680
Patricia.

5205
03:52:51,160 --> 03:52:57,520
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um so, this is in

5206
03:52:53,840 --> 03:52:59,480
regard to the animal services incident

5207
03:52:57,520 --> 03:53:00,360
and um

5208
03:52:59,480 --> 03:53:02,400
I'm

5209
03:53:00,360 --> 03:53:05,720
going to provide an update. So, the town

5210
03:53:02,400 --> 03:53:08,200
retained K9 Found- K9 Foundations based

5211
03:53:05,720 --> 03:53:10,960
on their qualifications and expertise,

5212
03:53:08,200 --> 03:53:12,880
and that includes K9 behavior, animal

5213
03:53:10,960 --> 03:53:14,480
handling, animal cruelty and welfare,

5214
03:53:12,880 --> 03:53:15,880
and animal control.

5215
03:53:14,480 --> 03:53:17,880
The on- the investigation has been

5216
03:53:15,880 --> 03:53:19,640
ongoing for over a month now, and the

5217
03:53:17,880 --> 03:53:22,400
team has done a considerable amount of

5218
03:53:19,640 --> 03:53:23,960
work. So, offer- officer interviews have

5219
03:53:22,400 --> 03:53:25,960
been conducted, a site visit was

5220
03:53:23,960 --> 03:53:27,720
conducted, they received a statement

5221
03:53:25,960 --> 03:53:30,560
from a witness, and have been in touch

5222
03:53:27,720 --> 03:53:32,640
with other witnesses and YRP to set up

5223
03:53:30,560 --> 03:53:34,360
interviews with them. Um they also

5224
03:53:32,640 --> 03:53:36,240
conducted a review of the equipment,

5225
03:53:34,360 --> 03:53:38,360
which includes the fleet and the tools

5226
03:53:36,240 --> 03:53:40,600
used, and are continuously reviewing

5227
03:53:38,360 --> 03:53:43,160
various notes and statements, pictures,

5228
03:53:40,600 --> 03:53:45,840
and standard operating procedures. That

5229
03:53:43,160 --> 03:53:47,200
is where we're at with this process.

5230
03:53:45,840 --> 03:53:49,600
» Thank you.

5231
03:53:47,200 --> 03:53:53,080
Thanks. Thanks, Patricia.

5232
03:53:49,600 --> 03:53:55,800
Um so, going on to new business, um I

5233
03:53:53,080 --> 03:53:56,880
know Councillor Gallo, you had sent out

5234
03:53:55,800 --> 03:53:59,960
a

5235
03:53:56,880 --> 03:54:02,480
uh proposed motion. I'll just go to you

5236
03:53:59,960 --> 03:54:02,480
first.

5237
03:54:06,520 --> 03:54:10,160
» Very convenient report.

5238
03:54:10,240 --> 03:54:14,120
I'll send these out

5239
03:54:12,200 --> 03:54:16,640
later.

5240
03:54:14,120 --> 03:54:18,680
Um I do have a proposed [clears throat]

5241
03:54:16,640 --> 03:54:20,720
uh motion. Um I'd like to read it out

5242
03:54:18,680 --> 03:54:23,680
and then see where where it goes, if you

5243
03:54:20,720 --> 03:54:26,640
allow me, Mr. Chair.

5244
03:54:23,680 --> 03:54:28,440
» Sure. Perhaps, does the clerk have it

5245
03:54:26,640 --> 03:54:31,000
uh on the screen somewhere that she can

5246
03:54:28,440 --> 03:54:33,000
put on so that we can follow along or

5247
03:54:31,000 --> 03:54:35,720
» I I sent it along.

5248
03:54:33,000 --> 03:54:35,720
I don't know if they do.

5249
03:54:39,387 --> 03:54:40,800
» [clears throat]

5250
03:54:39,560 --> 03:54:43,400
» They look like

5251
03:54:40,800 --> 03:54:43,400
There we go.

5252
03:54:44,120 --> 03:54:47,560
I'll go ahead to uh Councillor Gallo.

5253
03:54:47,640 --> 03:54:51,640
» Uh whereas a recent animal services

5254
03:54:50,080 --> 03:54:53,440
incident has generated significant

5255
03:54:51,640 --> 03:54:55,200
public concern and attention with the

5256
03:54:53,440 --> 03:54:57,240
Aurora community, and whereas residents

5257
03:54:55,200 --> 03:54:59,400
have expressed a desire for a

5258
03:54:57,240 --> 03:55:01,680
transparent and objective review of the

5259
03:54:59,400 --> 03:55:03,120
circumstances surrounding the incident,

5260
03:55:01,680 --> 03:55:05,360
and whereas public confidence in

5261
03:55:03,120 --> 03:55:06,840
municipal operations is strengthened

5262
03:55:05,360 --> 03:55:09,280
when matters of significant public

5263
03:55:06,840 --> 03:55:11,480
interest are reviewed independently and

5264
03:55:09,280 --> 03:55:14,000
transparently, and whereas council has a

5265
03:55:11,480 --> 03:55:16,440
responsibility to ensure that policies,

5266
03:55:14,000 --> 03:55:18,560
procedures, communication, training, and

5267
03:55:16,440 --> 03:55:23,560
operational practices are functioning

5268
03:55:18,560 --> 03:55:24,640
and intend and tended at the identity I

5269
03:55:23,560 --> 03:55:27,520
Sorry.

5270
03:55:24,640 --> 03:55:30,280
Intended and to identify opportunities

5271
03:55:27,520 --> 03:55:32,640
for improvement where necessary. Uh now

5272
03:55:30,280 --> 03:55:34,240
therefore be resolved that the CAO to

5273
03:55:32,640 --> 03:55:35,600
report back to council with

5274
03:55:34,240 --> 03:55:38,640
recommendations for one or more

5275
03:55:35,600 --> 03:55:40,720
qualified independent third-party firms

5276
03:55:38,640 --> 03:55:43,120
with demonstrated experience conducting

5277
03:55:40,720 --> 03:55:45,280
investigations, operational reviews, or

5278
03:55:43,120 --> 03:55:46,760
public sector accountability reviews

5279
03:55:45,280 --> 03:55:48,920
involving municipalities, animal

5280
03:55:46,760 --> 03:55:50,840
services, bylaw services, law

5281
03:55:48,920 --> 03:55:53,600
enforcement or similar public agencies

5282
03:55:50,840 --> 03:55:55,480
and that staff report back to council at

5283
03:55:53,600 --> 03:55:57,720
a special council meeting to be held in

5284
03:55:55,480 --> 03:55:59,440
July 2026 with

5285
03:55:57,720 --> 03:56:01,000
recommendations A

5286
03:55:59,440 --> 03:56:03,320
recommending independent third-party

5287
03:56:01,000 --> 03:56:04,800
investigators, B

5288
03:56:03,320 --> 03:56:07,240
the qualifications and relevant

5289
03:56:04,800 --> 03:56:09,880
experience of the recommended firms, C

5290
03:56:07,240 --> 03:56:12,280
the proposed scope of work, D estimated

5291
03:56:09,880 --> 03:56:15,280
cost and timelines for completion of the

5292
03:56:12,280 --> 03:56:17,440
review, and E recommendations regarding

5293
03:56:15,280 --> 03:56:19,400
public release of findings subject to

5294
03:56:17,440 --> 03:56:21,360
any applicable

5295
03:56:19,400 --> 03:56:23,320
legal, privacy, or employment

5296
03:56:21,360 --> 03:56:25,680
considerations, and that the proposed

5297
03:56:23,320 --> 03:56:28,040
scope include but not limited to A a

5298
03:56:25,680 --> 03:56:30,040
review of the facts and circumstances

5299
03:56:28,040 --> 03:56:32,360
surrounding the incident

5300
03:56:30,040 --> 03:56:33,920
interviews with all relevant witnesses

5301
03:56:32,360 --> 03:56:35,640
who are willing to participate including

5302
03:56:33,920 --> 03:56:37,520
town staff, involved parties, and

5303
03:56:35,640 --> 03:56:39,440
members of the public who may have

5304
03:56:37,520 --> 03:56:41,320
direct knowledge of the incident, C a

5305
03:56:39,440 --> 03:56:44,320
review of any available video

5306
03:56:41,320 --> 03:56:46,040
recordings, photography, reports,

5307
03:56:44,320 --> 03:56:48,440
correspondence, statements, and other

5308
03:56:46,040 --> 03:56:50,680
relevant evidence, D a review of

5309
03:56:48,440 --> 03:56:52,680
applicable policies, procedures,

5310
03:56:50,680 --> 03:56:53,920
training, communication, and operational

5311
03:56:52,680 --> 03:56:55,600
practices

5312
03:56:53,920 --> 03:56:58,120
in effect and at the time of the

5313
03:56:55,600 --> 03:56:59,840
incident, and E identification of any

5314
03:56:58,120 --> 03:57:02,000
gaps, deficiencies, and opportunities

5315
03:56:59,840 --> 03:57:04,200
for improvement, and F recommendations

5316
03:57:02,000 --> 03:57:06,200
if any to improve policies, procedures,

5317
03:57:04,200 --> 03:57:08,200
training, transparency, accountability,

5318
03:57:06,200 --> 03:57:10,120
and public confidence, and that the

5319
03:57:08,200 --> 03:57:12,800
mayor be requested to call a special

5320
03:57:10,120 --> 03:57:14,400
council meeting in July 2026 for the

5321
03:57:12,800 --> 03:57:17,400
purpose of receiving and considering the

5322
03:57:14,400 --> 03:57:19,280
staff report, and that upon receipt of

5323
03:57:17,400 --> 03:57:20,880
the staff report council consider

5324
03:57:19,280 --> 03:57:23,480
retaining an independent third-party

5325
03:57:20,880 --> 03:57:24,560
investigator to conduct a review and

5326
03:57:23,480 --> 03:57:28,920
final

5327
03:57:24,560 --> 03:57:28,920
and review and findings back to council.

5328
03:57:30,480 --> 03:57:34,040
» Thanks, Councillor Gallo.

5329
03:57:31,840 --> 03:57:36,440
First,

5330
03:57:34,040 --> 03:57:38,080
uh Madam Clerk, uh for a motion to be

5331
03:57:36,440 --> 03:57:40,200
introduced in new business, do we need

5332
03:57:38,080 --> 03:57:41,920
to waive procedure just to follow

5333
03:57:40,200 --> 03:57:44,880
process?

5334
03:57:41,920 --> 03:57:46,680
Or or do we need to determine whether

5335
03:57:44,880 --> 03:57:48,600
uh this is one of those

5336
03:57:46,680 --> 03:57:51,760
full some investigations that require

5337
03:57:48,600 --> 03:57:52,960
motion in another cycle or is this

5338
03:57:51,760 --> 03:57:54,800
um

5339
03:57:52,960 --> 03:57:56,520
low resource

5340
03:57:54,800 --> 03:58:00,920
submission that that we don't need to

5341
03:57:56,520 --> 03:58:00,920
wave? Can you clarify, please?

5342
03:58:01,480 --> 03:58:07,200
» Through you, Mr. Chair, to Council.

5343
03:58:03,920 --> 03:58:09,680
Under Section 36 of the Procedure Bylaw,

5344
03:58:07,200 --> 03:58:11,880
it states that uh members are

5345
03:58:09,680 --> 03:58:13,720
discouraged from raising substantive

5346
03:58:11,880 --> 03:58:15,960
policy matters, in particular

5347
03:58:13,720 --> 03:58:17,360
consideration of corporate policies or

5348
03:58:15,960 --> 03:58:20,680
bylaws.

5349
03:58:17,360 --> 03:58:26,960
It um this motion is quite substantial

5350
03:58:20,680 --> 03:58:28,520
in its its directive. Um and um

5351
03:58:26,960 --> 03:58:31,160
um it

5352
03:58:28,520 --> 03:58:33,600
I for my advice to Council is if you

5353
03:58:31,160 --> 03:58:35,800
wish to consider this motion, I would

5354
03:58:33,600 --> 03:58:39,440
ask that you waive the procedure bylaw

5355
03:58:35,800 --> 03:58:43,440
for couple reasons. One, because it

5356
03:58:39,440 --> 03:58:46,080
wasn't brought to a committee meeting.

5357
03:58:43,440 --> 03:58:48,720
Two, because it wasn't presented on the

5358
03:58:46,080 --> 03:58:51,520
agenda when the agenda was published.

5359
03:58:48,720 --> 03:58:53,680
And then um

5360
03:58:51,520 --> 03:58:56,000
Sorry, I'm forgetting my third reason.

5361
03:58:53,680 --> 03:58:56,000
Um

5362
03:59:00,320 --> 03:59:05,880
Uh

5363
03:59:02,160 --> 03:59:07,840
Sorry, and for for the under Section 36

5364
03:59:05,880 --> 03:59:10,880
where um

5365
03:59:07,840 --> 03:59:14,320
you're raising a substantive motion uh

5366
03:59:10,880 --> 03:59:16,040
on the fly with without Council's um

5367
03:59:14,320 --> 03:59:19,080
without

5368
03:59:16,040 --> 03:59:21,760
um sharing it with Council prior to the

5369
03:59:19,080 --> 03:59:22,320
meeting or um

5370
03:59:21,760 --> 03:59:25,200
uh

5371
03:59:22,320 --> 03:59:28,160
presenting it as a um a notice of motion

5372
03:59:25,200 --> 03:59:28,160
at a committee meeting.

5373
03:59:28,640 --> 03:59:31,960
» Thanks, Madam Clerk. Um

5374
03:59:33,240 --> 03:59:37,640
Given

5375
03:59:34,640 --> 03:59:38,760
the news that our solicitor shared with

5376
03:59:37,640 --> 03:59:40,920
us

5377
03:59:38,760 --> 03:59:41,840
is it's relevant

5378
03:59:40,920 --> 03:59:45,320
um

5379
03:59:41,840 --> 03:59:47,320
to discuss that first before even

5380
03:59:45,320 --> 03:59:50,080
uh contemplating whether to waive

5381
03:59:47,320 --> 03:59:52,840
procedure and allow this motion to go

5382
03:59:50,080 --> 03:59:55,160
through or do we discuss

5383
03:59:52,840 --> 03:59:57,400
the solicitor's information

5384
03:59:55,160 --> 03:59:59,640
uh only after

5385
03:59:57,400 --> 04:00:03,240
we what you know we make a decision to

5386
03:59:59,640 --> 04:00:03,240
waive or not?

5387
04:00:04,400 --> 04:00:09,840
» I I think the real question is was the

5388
04:00:07,360 --> 04:00:12,880
solicitor's input as a result of my

5389
04:00:09,840 --> 04:00:15,280
motion or was it uh going to be provided

5390
04:00:12,880 --> 04:00:15,280
anyway?

5391
04:00:18,680 --> 04:00:22,480
» Madam Clerk, can you

5392
04:00:21,240 --> 04:00:25,480
share in terms of the order of

5393
04:00:22,480 --> 04:00:27,640
operations here um

5394
04:00:25,480 --> 04:00:29,160
in what form can we discuss the

5395
04:00:27,640 --> 04:00:31,800
solicitor's

5396
04:00:29,160 --> 04:00:35,920
uh news?

5397
04:00:31,800 --> 04:00:38,280
» You could ask the solicitor questions

5398
04:00:35,920 --> 04:00:40,120
um based on the information that she

5399
04:00:38,280 --> 04:00:42,760
provided.

5400
04:00:40,120 --> 04:00:45,120
And then if you still

5401
04:00:42,760 --> 04:00:47,320
uh wish to consider the motion from

5402
04:00:45,120 --> 04:00:51,160
Councillor Gallo, you could waive the

5403
04:00:47,320 --> 04:00:54,120
procedure bylaw and then if that passes,

5404
04:00:51,160 --> 04:00:54,800
then um then the motion could be put put

5405
04:00:54,120 --> 04:00:58,800
um

5406
04:00:54,800 --> 04:00:58,800
placed on the table for consideration.

5407
04:00:59,160 --> 04:01:04,880
» Okay. Um

5408
04:01:01,320 --> 04:01:04,880
So if I may then um

5409
04:01:06,200 --> 04:01:09,880
with solicitor, uh

5410
04:01:08,080 --> 04:01:13,080
so based on

5411
04:01:09,880 --> 04:01:14,680
what you've heard and read

5412
04:01:13,080 --> 04:01:17,360
on the screen,

5413
04:01:14,680 --> 04:01:17,960
can you advise whether

5414
04:01:17,360 --> 04:01:19,080
uh

5415
04:01:17,960 --> 04:01:20,400
what

5416
04:01:19,080 --> 04:01:23,480
the investigators the current

5417
04:01:20,400 --> 04:01:26,320
investigators are doing now,

5418
04:01:23,480 --> 04:01:28,520
does that is that pretty well

5419
04:01:26,320 --> 04:01:31,600
similar to what Councillor Gallo's

5420
04:01:28,520 --> 04:01:31,600
motion is asking?

5421
04:01:35,280 --> 04:01:39,800
» Through you, Mr. Chair. Um the scope of

5422
04:01:37,760 --> 04:01:41,080
work that we have retained this

5423
04:01:39,800 --> 04:01:44,120
particular

5424
04:01:41,080 --> 04:01:45,840
um team to do is pretty much the scope

5425
04:01:44,120 --> 04:01:48,280
of work that is outlined in Councillor

5426
04:01:45,840 --> 04:01:50,400
Gable's motion.

5427
04:01:48,280 --> 04:01:51,880
Um I can tell you that we did retain

5428
04:01:50,400 --> 04:01:53,520
this

5429
04:01:51,880 --> 04:01:56,160
investigating team in accordance with

5430
04:01:53,520 --> 04:02:00,240
our town's procurement bylaw.

5431
04:01:56,160 --> 04:02:02,280
We did consider a couple other options,

5432
04:02:00,240 --> 04:02:04,240
but staff felt that this was the best

5433
04:02:02,280 --> 04:02:07,440
option based on their qualifications and

5434
04:02:04,240 --> 04:02:12,200
expertise. Um the

5435
04:02:07,440 --> 04:02:14,200
in our review, they were the only firm,

5436
04:02:12,200 --> 04:02:16,400
lack of a better word, that included

5437
04:02:14,200 --> 04:02:19,440
canine behavior, animal handling, animal

5438
04:02:16,400 --> 04:02:21,040
cruelty and welfare, and animal control.

5439
04:02:19,440 --> 04:02:23,640
Given the

5440
04:02:21,040 --> 04:02:27,280
um specific nature of the incident, we

5441
04:02:23,640 --> 04:02:29,320
wanted somebody who was more specific to

5442
04:02:27,280 --> 04:02:32,520
and had these types of expertise and not

5443
04:02:29,320 --> 04:02:34,480
just a regular third-party investigator.

5444
04:02:32,520 --> 04:02:38,640
Because they have done considerable

5445
04:02:34,480 --> 04:02:41,560
work, if council chooses to redirect

5446
04:02:38,640 --> 04:02:43,920
with another team, then council Sorry,

5447
04:02:41,560 --> 04:02:48,240
the town would still have to pay

5448
04:02:43,920 --> 04:02:50,200
um the this team that we've retained to

5449
04:02:48,240 --> 04:02:53,000
for all the work they've done so far.

5450
04:02:50,200 --> 04:02:54,880
And my only other concern is retaining

5451
04:02:53,000 --> 04:02:57,840
anybody else at this stage is going to

5452
04:02:54,880 --> 04:03:01,320
take time. We were asked

5453
04:02:57,840 --> 04:03:04,960
not even asked, it was imperative that

5454
04:03:01,320 --> 04:03:08,320
we chose a firm quickly, which is what

5455
04:03:04,960 --> 04:03:11,160
we did. And if we do anything further,

5456
04:03:08,320 --> 04:03:13,080
it will delay this process. And

5457
04:03:11,160 --> 04:03:15,160
like the public, we are trying not to

5458
04:03:13,080 --> 04:03:18,040
delay the process. We would also like

5459
04:03:15,160 --> 04:03:19,400
answers quickly.

5460
04:03:18,040 --> 04:03:20,480
» Thank you, Patricia.

5461
04:03:19,400 --> 04:03:21,840
Um

5462
04:03:20,480 --> 04:03:24,280
Councillor Thompson and Councillor

5463
04:03:21,840 --> 04:03:24,280
Reese.

5464
04:03:24,320 --> 04:03:29,240
» I'll throw you to Mr. Sario. Um

5465
04:03:26,760 --> 04:03:31,440
Patricia, do you a best guess on when

5466
04:03:29,240 --> 04:03:34,680
this report by the third-party

5467
04:03:31,440 --> 04:03:37,560
investigators would be completed and and

5468
04:03:34,680 --> 04:03:37,560
um, given to the town?

5469
04:03:37,640 --> 04:03:42,120
» Patricia?

5470
04:03:39,680 --> 04:03:43,960
» For you, Mr. Chair. Um,

5471
04:03:42,120 --> 04:03:45,560
yes, the King and Foundations is

5472
04:03:43,960 --> 04:03:47,840
committed to providing their report

5473
04:03:45,560 --> 04:03:49,400
within a reasonable amount of time. They

5474
04:03:47,840 --> 04:03:51,200
have suggested that they would be able

5475
04:03:49,400 --> 04:03:53,080
to provide us with the report by the end

5476
04:03:51,200 --> 04:03:56,680
of July.

5477
04:03:53,080 --> 04:03:58,720
I do want to caution that

5478
04:03:56,680 --> 04:04:00,080
we still don't know what this process is

5479
04:03:58,720 --> 04:04:01,680
looking like. There is potential

5480
04:04:00,080 --> 04:04:04,040
litigation.

5481
04:04:01,680 --> 04:04:07,720
We have been advised of that. So, as we

5482
04:04:04,040 --> 04:04:11,000
do in every potential litigation, we

5483
04:04:07,720 --> 04:04:13,160
may not be able to disclose anything

5484
04:04:11,000 --> 04:04:15,120
further to the public. It will

5485
04:04:13,160 --> 04:04:17,360
we'll have to cross that bridge when we

5486
04:04:15,120 --> 04:04:18,760
get there.

5487
04:04:17,360 --> 04:04:21,400
But, I could disclose it to council.

5488
04:04:18,760 --> 04:04:22,880
Sorry, I should mention that.

5489
04:04:21,400 --> 04:04:25,240
» Mr. Thompson.

5490
04:04:22,880 --> 04:04:25,240
Thank you.

5491
04:04:25,320 --> 04:04:30,440
Mr. Weiss.

5492
04:04:27,880 --> 04:04:33,040
» Yes. Um,

5493
04:04:30,440 --> 04:04:34,920
uh, the disclosure, the public

5494
04:04:33,040 --> 04:04:36,600
disclosure is what I'm really interested

5495
04:04:34,920 --> 04:04:37,520
in right now because

5496
04:04:36,600 --> 04:04:39,960
um,

5497
04:04:37,520 --> 04:04:42,080
I think it's imperative

5498
04:04:39,960 --> 04:04:45,000
that the public knows what is being

5499
04:04:42,080 --> 04:04:47,120
done, particularly on the

5500
04:04:45,000 --> 04:04:50,280
uh, independent review and all the other

5501
04:04:47,120 --> 04:04:54,080
things that uh, Mr. Ceriallo

5502
04:04:50,280 --> 04:04:55,280
identified here. So, having her uh,

5503
04:04:54,080 --> 04:04:57,680
make this

5504
04:04:55,280 --> 04:04:59,960
or a report tonight is great and I

5505
04:04:57,680 --> 04:05:02,080
appreciate the information and others

5506
04:04:59,960 --> 04:05:04,600
will, too. But, where does it stand

5507
04:05:02,080 --> 04:05:06,640
right now because I see value in us

5508
04:05:04,600 --> 04:05:08,560
coming together in a special meeting as

5509
04:05:06,640 --> 04:05:10,120
Counselor Gallo has uh,

5510
04:05:08,560 --> 04:05:13,640
suggested

5511
04:05:10,120 --> 04:05:15,640
and uh, have a discussion about this.

5512
04:05:13,640 --> 04:05:17,800
So, um,

5513
04:05:15,640 --> 04:05:19,520
I'd really like to hear what Counselor

5514
04:05:17,800 --> 04:05:20,640
Gallo thinks

5515
04:05:19,520 --> 04:05:21,840
about

5516
04:05:20,640 --> 04:05:24,680
um,

5517
04:05:21,840 --> 04:05:26,640
Mr. Ceriallo's report and whether he

5518
04:05:24,680 --> 04:05:28,080
thinks it's sufficient or not for the

5519
04:05:26,640 --> 04:05:28,920
purposes

5520
04:05:28,080 --> 04:05:31,120
of

5521
04:05:28,920 --> 04:05:33,320
public disclosure.

5522
04:05:31,120 --> 04:05:34,920
Through you, Mr. Gallo, and Councillor

5523
04:05:33,320 --> 04:05:37,080
Gallo.

5524
04:05:34,920 --> 04:05:38,800
» Okay, so can we uh

5525
04:05:37,080 --> 04:05:40,440
just go to uh Councillor Gardner for the

5526
04:05:38,800 --> 04:05:42,240
first time and then we'll go to uh

5527
04:05:40,440 --> 04:05:43,680
Councillor Gallo?

5528
04:05:42,240 --> 04:05:47,640
» Fine.

5529
04:05:43,680 --> 04:05:50,440
I thank you very much. Uh to Mr. Serio,

5530
04:05:47,640 --> 04:05:53,040
there's some things in this motion that

5531
04:05:50,440 --> 04:05:56,160
uh I don't I'm not sure that are being

5532
04:05:53,040 --> 04:05:57,640
covered uh interviews with all relevant

5533
04:05:56,160 --> 04:06:03,080
witnesses who are willing to

5534
04:05:57,640 --> 04:06:03,080
participate. Is is that taking place?

5535
04:06:03,520 --> 04:06:07,520
Like you said they were

5536
04:06:05,600 --> 04:06:10,600
three uh Mr. Chair, that they were

5537
04:06:07,520 --> 04:06:12,160
speaking to witnesses, but

5538
04:06:10,600 --> 04:06:14,920
um

5539
04:06:12,160 --> 04:06:15,560
this is a a more fullsome

5540
04:06:14,920 --> 04:06:18,920
uh

5541
04:06:15,560 --> 04:06:20,080
description of uh which witnesses, which

5542
04:06:18,920 --> 04:06:22,520
is

5543
04:06:20,080 --> 04:06:24,720
everyone willing to talk

5544
04:06:22,520 --> 04:06:27,120
to participate. So,

5545
04:06:24,720 --> 04:06:29,520
where are we with respect to something

5546
04:06:27,120 --> 04:06:31,040
like that?

5547
04:06:29,520 --> 04:06:33,400
» Mr. Serio.

5548
04:06:31,040 --> 04:06:35,640
» Through you, Mr. Chair. Um the

5549
04:06:33,400 --> 04:06:38,600
investigating has reached out to a

5550
04:06:35,640 --> 04:06:41,080
couple potential witnesses who would

5551
04:06:38,600 --> 04:06:43,840
like to get legal advice prior to

5552
04:06:41,080 --> 04:06:47,360
providing any statements.

5553
04:06:43,840 --> 04:06:51,800
Um the investigating team has also

5554
04:06:47,360 --> 04:06:52,880
attended the site and are going

5555
04:06:51,800 --> 04:06:56,000
for lack of a better word, up and down

5556
04:06:52,880 --> 04:06:58,320
the street and um knocking on doors and

5557
04:06:56,000 --> 04:07:00,440
seeing if there are any witnesses at

5558
04:06:58,320 --> 04:07:03,240
home who are willing to speak to them.

5559
04:07:00,440 --> 04:07:05,920
They have been able to reach at least

5560
04:07:03,240 --> 04:07:08,440
one person who has provided them with a

5561
04:07:05,920 --> 04:07:10,320
statement, um but they are continuing

5562
04:07:08,440 --> 04:07:12,920
that process.

5563
04:07:10,320 --> 04:07:15,240
I believe that when the motion says

5564
04:07:12,920 --> 04:07:17,360
available to speak or willing to speak,

5565
04:07:15,240 --> 04:07:19,240
it's more in line with

5566
04:07:17,360 --> 04:07:21,320
the witnesses cooperating with the

5567
04:07:19,240 --> 04:07:24,760
investigation team.

5568
04:07:21,320 --> 04:07:26,160
» And thank you. And of course anybody

5569
04:07:24,760 --> 04:07:29,160
» Sergeant Gardner,

5570
04:07:26,160 --> 04:07:31,480
but if we can speak if we can ask

5571
04:07:29,160 --> 04:07:34,440
questions to Mr. Ceriale on her comments

5572
04:07:31,480 --> 04:07:36,280
and not on the proposed motion, that'd

5573
04:07:34,440 --> 04:07:38,760
be great. Thank you.

5574
04:07:36,280 --> 04:07:38,760
» Um

5575
04:07:39,160 --> 04:07:48,440
Do you Do you know if the team hired has

5576
04:07:43,840 --> 04:07:48,440
seen any video videos of the incident?

5577
04:07:49,200 --> 04:07:52,440
» Ms. Ceriale?

5578
04:07:51,000 --> 04:07:54,360
» Through you.

5579
04:07:52,440 --> 04:07:57,160
» Through you, Mr. Chair. I'm not aware if

5580
04:07:54,360 --> 04:07:59,640
they have seen any videos yet. They are

5581
04:07:57,160 --> 04:08:01,800
looking for videos and they will be

5582
04:07:59,640 --> 04:08:04,280
reviewing videos if they are given

5583
04:08:01,800 --> 04:08:04,280
videos.

5584
04:08:05,320 --> 04:08:06,640
» Ms. Gardner.

5585
04:08:05,720 --> 04:08:09,360
» And

5586
04:08:06,640 --> 04:08:11,280
thank you and follow up, Mr. Chair. Will

5587
04:08:09,360 --> 04:08:13,960
they be

5588
04:08:11,280 --> 04:08:16,360
looking at

5589
04:08:13,960 --> 04:08:19,080
our practices, our policies, our

5590
04:08:16,360 --> 04:08:23,360
training of staff? That

5591
04:08:19,080 --> 04:08:26,440
to make sure that we have a team in

5592
04:08:23,360 --> 04:08:31,160
place that is well trained

5593
04:08:26,440 --> 04:08:31,160
to handle any future incidents.

5594
04:08:31,200 --> 04:08:34,440
» Ms. Ceriale.

5595
04:08:32,520 --> 04:08:36,880
» Through you, Mr. Chair. Absolutely. They

5596
04:08:34,440 --> 04:08:38,360
will be reviewing all of our policies

5597
04:08:36,880 --> 04:08:41,640
and procedures, standard operating

5598
04:08:38,360 --> 04:08:42,880
procedures, any best best practices,

5599
04:08:41,640 --> 04:08:45,160
and they will be providing

5600
04:08:42,880 --> 04:08:47,800
recommendations

5601
04:08:45,160 --> 04:08:50,040
to see if there's any discrepancies or

5602
04:08:47,800 --> 04:08:52,680
if there's any gaps.

5603
04:08:50,040 --> 04:08:54,440
» Thank you. And um

5604
04:08:52,680 --> 04:08:55,880
Are they going to be interviewing It's

5605
04:08:54,440 --> 04:08:57,920
not in the motion. Are they going to be

5606
04:08:55,880 --> 04:09:00,440
interviewing our

5607
04:08:57,920 --> 04:09:03,000
our staff?

5608
04:09:00,440 --> 04:09:04,480
Or is that

5609
04:09:03,000 --> 04:09:06,280
» Through you, Mr. Chair. They've already

5610
04:09:04,480 --> 04:09:07,200
conducted the interviews with our staff.

5611
04:09:06,280 --> 04:09:09,640
» Okay.

5612
04:09:07,200 --> 04:09:12,840
» Thank you very much.

5613
04:09:09,640 --> 04:09:12,840
» Um Ms. Gardner.

5614
04:09:12,880 --> 04:09:16,880
On uh uh

5615
04:09:14,960 --> 04:09:19,720
our solicitors uh

5616
04:09:16,880 --> 04:09:19,720
new comments.

5617
04:09:20,200 --> 04:09:24,480
» Thank you. Through you to Mr. Cereal.

5618
04:09:23,240 --> 04:09:25,320
First off,

5619
04:09:24,480 --> 04:09:27,280
um

5620
04:09:25,320 --> 04:09:28,800
I'm glad to hear your report. I'm just

5621
04:09:27,280 --> 04:09:30,760
wondering whether

5622
04:09:28,800 --> 04:09:34,160
it was going to be done anyway or was it

5623
04:09:30,760 --> 04:09:34,160
a result of seeing my motion?

5624
04:09:34,200 --> 04:09:36,880
Mr. Cereal.

5625
04:09:40,880 --> 04:09:47,840
» Uh through you, Mr. Chair. It was

5626
04:09:45,520 --> 04:09:49,600
it I was requested to do it to ask to

5627
04:09:47,840 --> 04:09:50,800
provide an update from Councillor Kim

5628
04:09:49,600 --> 04:09:53,640
when he

5629
04:09:50,800 --> 04:09:56,360
gave me the uh indication right at the

5630
04:09:53,640 --> 04:10:00,280
beginning of new business.

5631
04:09:56,360 --> 04:10:00,280
» So, sorry. As a result of my motion?

5632
04:10:00,640 --> 04:10:04,360
» Um

5633
04:10:02,360 --> 04:10:07,320
through you, Mr. Chair.

5634
04:10:04,360 --> 04:10:09,840
It was as a result of the motion.

5635
04:10:07,320 --> 04:10:11,520
» Thank you. And I'm I'm glad cuz this is

5636
04:10:09,840 --> 04:10:12,720
the first time we're actually speaking

5637
04:10:11,520 --> 04:10:15,440
of this and I think we're all on the

5638
04:10:12,720 --> 04:10:17,960
same page. What we want

5639
04:10:15,440 --> 04:10:19,920
uh is a proper investigation, a quick

5640
04:10:17,960 --> 04:10:22,280
investigation. I mean, taking the time

5641
04:10:19,920 --> 04:10:24,040
if it's necessary for us to to

5642
04:10:22,280 --> 04:10:26,520
accomplish what we're trying to

5643
04:10:24,040 --> 04:10:28,520
uh accomplish, which is what I'm

5644
04:10:26,520 --> 04:10:30,280
was trying to do with my motion because

5645
04:10:28,520 --> 04:10:32,000
I just felt it was

5646
04:10:30,280 --> 04:10:34,440
uh not moving in the direction and the

5647
04:10:32,000 --> 04:10:36,080
pace that I felt it should and it needed

5648
04:10:34,440 --> 04:10:37,800
some council push.

5649
04:10:36,080 --> 04:10:40,040
Uh and maybe just the fact that it was

5650
04:10:37,800 --> 04:10:41,280
on the agenda, pushing it

5651
04:10:40,040 --> 04:10:44,720
um

5652
04:10:41,280 --> 04:10:46,040
resulted in some more discussion. Um

5653
04:10:44,720 --> 04:10:49,560
through you to

5654
04:10:46,040 --> 04:10:49,560
Mr. Cereal. Um

5655
04:10:50,720 --> 04:10:54,040
Do the and I I don't have the name in

5656
04:10:52,960 --> 04:10:55,320
front of me, whoever's doing the

5657
04:10:54,040 --> 04:10:57,400
investigating,

5658
04:10:55,320 --> 04:10:59,880
um have they ever done this type of

5659
04:10:57,400 --> 04:11:02,080
thing before?

5660
04:10:59,880 --> 04:11:04,760
Mr. Cereal.

5661
04:11:02,080 --> 04:11:07,560
» Through you, Mr. Chair. Yes, they have

5662
04:11:04,760 --> 04:11:08,760
um conduct conducted investigations

5663
04:11:07,560 --> 04:11:10,720
previously.

5664
04:11:08,760 --> 04:11:12,800
Uh like I said, they have expertise in

5665
04:11:10,720 --> 04:11:15,360
animal control. They have expertise in

5666
04:11:12,800 --> 04:11:18,680
animal cruelty and animal welfare

5667
04:11:15,360 --> 04:11:18,680
and animal services.

5668
04:11:19,400 --> 04:11:23,160
» Councillor Geller.

5669
04:11:20,960 --> 04:11:24,560
Thank you. And maybe to Councillor

5670
04:11:23,160 --> 04:11:26,200
uh Weeses

5671
04:11:24,560 --> 04:11:28,400
point, um

5672
04:11:26,200 --> 04:11:30,120
maybe a special meeting or closed

5673
04:11:28,400 --> 04:11:32,560
session if necessary

5674
04:11:30,120 --> 04:11:34,360
to fully flush out cuz I'm sure there's

5675
04:11:32,560 --> 04:11:36,360
some questions or some answers that may

5676
04:11:34,360 --> 04:11:38,760
staff may not give us.

5677
04:11:36,360 --> 04:11:40,360
That they can't right now uh in public.

5678
04:11:38,760 --> 04:11:43,280
Um I just feel like

5679
04:11:40,360 --> 04:11:45,680
a very strong disconnect between us and

5680
04:11:43,280 --> 04:11:47,760
what's going on and the public. And we

5681
04:11:45,680 --> 04:11:48,960
need to bridge those gaps.

5682
04:11:47,760 --> 04:11:50,760
And I think

5683
04:11:48,960 --> 04:11:54,400
we've actually gone a long way just in

5684
04:11:50,760 --> 04:11:56,640
the last uh 15 minutes uh towards uh

5685
04:11:54,400 --> 04:11:59,080
towards that. Um but if there's an

5686
04:11:56,640 --> 04:12:01,120
opportunity for us to have a a thorough

5687
04:11:59,080 --> 04:12:01,680
discussion even closed session,

5688
04:12:01,120 --> 04:12:03,440
uh

5689
04:12:01,680 --> 04:12:05,680
there'd be there's a lot of merit in

5690
04:12:03,440 --> 04:12:07,560
that. Um

5691
04:12:05,680 --> 04:12:11,160
particularly because as we all know,

5692
04:12:07,560 --> 04:12:14,320
this is a a very sensitive issue

5693
04:12:11,160 --> 04:12:16,160
uh for many people in our community.

5694
04:12:14,320 --> 04:12:18,240
Uh and I and I'm not suggesting we're

5695
04:12:16,160 --> 04:12:19,760
ignoring it and things are moving

5696
04:12:18,240 --> 04:12:21,400
forward. I just I feel like I'm in the

5697
04:12:19,760 --> 04:12:23,720
dark and and I don't want to be in the

5698
04:12:21,400 --> 04:12:26,240
dark in in significant issues that are

5699
04:12:23,720 --> 04:12:28,120
impacting our community.

5700
04:12:26,240 --> 04:12:29,960
So, through Mr. Chair, is there an

5701
04:12:28,120 --> 04:12:32,280
opportunity for us to have a

5702
04:12:29,960 --> 04:12:34,600
a closed session or some type of meeting

5703
04:12:32,280 --> 04:12:36,520
uh where we can freely discuss this

5704
04:12:34,600 --> 04:12:37,880
issue?

5705
04:12:36,520 --> 04:12:39,480
» Mr. Sera.

5706
04:12:37,880 --> 04:12:41,760
» Through you, Mr. Chair, it was always

5707
04:12:39,480 --> 04:12:43,600
staff's intention to have a meeting

5708
04:12:41,760 --> 04:12:45,080
eventually. Um

5709
04:12:43,600 --> 04:12:46,800
we are treating like I said, we are

5710
04:12:45,080 --> 04:12:49,040
treating this as we have treated every

5711
04:12:46,800 --> 04:12:51,720
other potential litigation matter. This

5712
04:12:49,040 --> 04:12:54,560
also involves an employment matter. So,

5713
04:12:51,720 --> 04:12:57,480
yes, we will be coming to council um

5714
04:12:54,560 --> 04:12:59,400
eventually. It would just We're just

5715
04:12:57,480 --> 04:13:01,400
going along with the process, ensuring

5716
04:12:59,400 --> 04:13:03,400
that when we do come to closed session,

5717
04:13:01,400 --> 04:13:05,560
that we had something to talk about. At

5718
04:13:03,400 --> 04:13:09,600
this time, the investigation is ongoing,

5719
04:13:05,560 --> 04:13:09,600
so there was really nothing to discuss.

5720
04:13:10,120 --> 04:13:15,080
» Thank you. Um I look forward to it and

5721
04:13:12,520 --> 04:13:17,960
um as a result of this discussion, um I

5722
04:13:15,080 --> 04:13:21,360
don't see any merit just yet

5723
04:13:17,960 --> 04:13:22,880
in pursuing my my motion.

5724
04:13:21,360 --> 04:13:25,600
I'm

5725
04:13:22,880 --> 04:13:28,680
leaving it up to staff to

5726
04:13:25,600 --> 04:13:31,240
they're confident enough that this firm

5727
04:13:28,680 --> 04:13:34,120
is able to do an unbiased

5728
04:13:31,240 --> 04:13:37,240
um reporting of this incident. Uh let's

5729
04:13:34,120 --> 04:13:37,240
see where where it goes.

5730
04:13:37,640 --> 04:13:42,360
» Thank you, Councillor Gallo.

5731
04:13:39,520 --> 04:13:44,240
» Thank you, uh Mr. Seria, for the uh

5732
04:13:42,360 --> 04:13:45,760
the update. And

5733
04:13:44,240 --> 04:13:48,400
I guess what I'm hearing is that there's

5734
04:13:45,760 --> 04:13:49,880
no need for the proposed motion from

5735
04:13:48,400 --> 04:13:52,960
Councillor Gallo, and if there's any

5736
04:13:49,880 --> 04:13:54,200
gaps between now and the next cycle, I'm

5737
04:13:52,960 --> 04:13:55,960
sure uh

5738
04:13:54,200 --> 04:13:58,640
uh he can discuss with you and and

5739
04:13:55,960 --> 04:14:01,440
propose something else down the road.

5740
04:13:58,640 --> 04:14:05,680
Um for the sake of time, I'm just going

5741
04:14:01,440 --> 04:14:05,680
to ask if anyone has any new business.

5742
04:14:06,920 --> 04:14:11,040
Okay, Councillor Ruiz.

5743
04:14:09,560 --> 04:14:14,000
» Um

5744
04:14:11,040 --> 04:14:16,280
» Uh you're on mute, Councillor Ruiz.

5745
04:14:14,000 --> 04:14:16,280
» Sorry.

5746
04:14:16,640 --> 04:14:21,840
Uh I had a question

5747
04:14:19,480 --> 04:14:23,040
to ask Mr. Seria.

5748
04:14:21,840 --> 04:14:25,800
And

5749
04:14:23,040 --> 04:14:27,880
it has to do with one item that I didn't

5750
04:14:25,800 --> 04:14:31,480
hear in the report.

5751
04:14:27,880 --> 04:14:34,280
Uh and that is the um activity and maybe

5752
04:14:31,480 --> 04:14:36,280
that disclose it about what has happened

5753
04:14:34,280 --> 04:14:40,000
with the

5754
04:14:36,280 --> 04:14:43,640
uh the enforcement staff. Have they been

5755
04:14:40,000 --> 04:14:45,680
uh suspended with pay, without pay?

5756
04:14:43,640 --> 04:14:47,440
Is there anything you can disclose about

5757
04:14:45,680 --> 04:14:49,200
that because it seems to be an item of

5758
04:14:47,440 --> 04:14:50,800
interest, and I didn't hear it in the

5759
04:14:49,200 --> 04:14:53,360
motion, and I didn't hear it in your

5760
04:14:50,800 --> 04:14:54,800
report. Maybe I missed it.

5761
04:14:53,360 --> 04:14:56,320
» Mr. Seria?

5762
04:14:54,800 --> 04:14:58,120
» Through you, Mr. Chair, that is an

5763
04:14:56,320 --> 04:15:00,920
employment-related matter and cannot be

5764
04:14:58,120 --> 04:15:02,920
discussed in public.

5765
04:15:00,920 --> 04:15:05,440
» Thank you.

5766
04:15:02,920 --> 04:15:05,440
Councilor Gardner.

5767
04:15:05,640 --> 04:15:10,360
» Uh thank you. I just wanted to say that

5768
04:15:07,960 --> 04:15:13,040
I need some of the bylaws pulled

5769
04:15:10,360 --> 04:15:13,040
separately.

5770
04:15:13,240 --> 04:15:17,400
» It's Okay. Uh we're we're already going

5771
04:15:15,400 --> 04:15:18,640
to pull one, so we'll certainly do that.

5772
04:15:17,400 --> 04:15:22,280
» Thank you.

5773
04:15:18,640 --> 04:15:22,280
» Okay. Anyone else for new business?

5774
04:15:23,640 --> 04:15:26,040
Okay.

5775
04:15:26,080 --> 04:15:30,360
Moving on to uh the regional report.

5776
04:15:29,000 --> 04:15:33,440
Can I have a mover and a seconder for

5777
04:15:30,360 --> 04:15:33,440
the item, please?

5778
04:15:35,320 --> 04:15:40,120
Councilor Gallo.

5779
04:15:37,080 --> 04:15:40,120
Councilor Reese.

5780
04:15:42,320 --> 04:15:45,480
Any comments or questions?

5781
04:15:48,280 --> 04:15:52,240
Seeing none, I'll call the vote.

5782
04:16:13,320 --> 04:16:17,200
» Councilor Gardner, please.

5783
04:16:15,360 --> 04:16:20,200
Thank you. I don't see it on my screen.

5784
04:16:17,200 --> 04:16:20,200
It's a yes.

5785
04:16:21,920 --> 04:16:26,840
» And that carries.

5786
04:16:23,560 --> 04:16:30,400
Uh moving on to bylaws, uh 12.1 to

5787
04:16:26,840 --> 04:16:31,800
12.12. We're going to pull 12.7

5788
04:16:30,400 --> 04:16:33,520
separately

5789
04:16:31,800 --> 04:16:35,800
for Councilor Thompson. Uh Councilor

5790
04:16:33,520 --> 04:16:38,160
Gardner, you said you want to

5791
04:16:35,800 --> 04:16:40,720
to vote on certain bylaws separately.

5792
04:16:38,160 --> 04:16:44,600
» Yes. I need uh

5793
04:16:40,720 --> 04:16:48,520
2 3 4 5 and 6 separate.

5794
04:16:44,600 --> 04:16:51,240
» 12.2 3 4 5 and 6.

5795
04:16:48,520 --> 04:16:51,240
» Yes, please.

5796
04:16:51,280 --> 04:16:53,800
» Okay.

5797
04:16:59,800 --> 04:17:05,000
So, can I have

5798
04:17:02,680 --> 04:17:09,040
motion to move

5799
04:17:05,000 --> 04:17:11,520
all the others that are being 12.1,

5800
04:17:09,040 --> 04:17:14,320
12.8, 12.9,

5801
04:17:11,520 --> 04:17:17,920
12.

5802
04:17:14,320 --> 04:17:17,920
10, 11, and 12.

5803
04:17:18,400 --> 04:17:21,440
Can I have a mover, please?

5804
04:17:22,160 --> 04:17:26,360
Councillor Gardner, Councillor Gillan.

5805
04:17:29,360 --> 04:17:36,400
Any questions or comments?

5806
04:17:32,480 --> 04:17:36,400
Okay, seeing none, I'll call the vote.

5807
04:18:13,440 --> 04:18:18,000
» Councillor Gardner, please.

5808
04:18:15,480 --> 04:18:18,000
Yes.

5809
04:18:22,640 --> 04:18:27,200
» It all carries.

5810
04:18:24,120 --> 04:18:30,000
Uh next is 12.2.

5811
04:18:27,200 --> 04:18:34,240
Councillor Gardner, will you move that?

5812
04:18:30,000 --> 04:18:36,960
» Uh no, this is about 1289 Wellington

5813
04:18:34,240 --> 04:18:39,880
Street East. I can't move it.

5814
04:18:36,960 --> 04:18:42,600
» Okay, can I have a mover?

5815
04:18:39,880 --> 04:18:42,600
Councillor Gillan.

5816
04:18:44,480 --> 04:18:49,880
Councillor Lewis.

5817
04:18:46,800 --> 04:18:49,880
Comments or questions?

5818
04:18:51,720 --> 04:18:54,520
Okay, call the vote.

5819
04:19:13,320 --> 04:19:18,760
» I move to have Councillor Gartner.

5820
04:19:16,280 --> 04:19:18,760
No.

5821
04:19:21,200 --> 04:19:26,160
Do I need to make a different motion?

5822
04:19:23,720 --> 04:19:28,640
» Okay, that carries.

5823
04:19:26,160 --> 04:19:29,760
Next 12.3, Councillor Gartner, would you

5824
04:19:28,640 --> 04:19:33,920
like to move that?

5825
04:19:29,760 --> 04:19:35,840
» Um if you'd call 12.3 and 4 together,

5826
04:19:33,920 --> 04:19:40,280
they're about the

5827
04:19:35,840 --> 04:19:42,440
um development on Wellington 1426-1452

5828
04:19:40,280 --> 04:19:44,080
Wellington Street East. This is the

5829
04:19:42,440 --> 04:19:47,280
townhouse

5830
04:19:44,080 --> 04:19:49,520
uh with all the exceptions just east of

5831
04:19:47,280 --> 04:19:54,360
the SAR.

5832
04:19:49,520 --> 04:19:57,000
» Okay, so we will vote on 12.3 and 12.4

5833
04:19:54,360 --> 04:19:57,000
together.

5834
04:19:58,240 --> 04:20:01,040
Can I have a mover?

5835
04:20:02,720 --> 04:20:08,760
Councillor Gayland, Councillor Weese.

5836
04:20:05,480 --> 04:20:08,760
Call Mr. Questions.

5837
04:20:09,000 --> 04:20:12,080
Okay, we call the vote.

5838
04:20:26,000 --> 04:20:28,440
» No.

5839
04:20:32,000 --> 04:20:37,080
» That carries.

5840
04:20:34,240 --> 04:20:38,800
Next 12.5.

5841
04:20:37,080 --> 04:20:40,920
» Uh this is the

5842
04:20:38,800 --> 04:20:42,440
» 12.5 Young Street. Councillor Gartner,

5843
04:20:40,920 --> 04:20:44,520
would you like to move it?

5844
04:20:42,440 --> 04:20:45,640
» No, this is the Old Young Street

5845
04:20:44,520 --> 04:20:48,320
development.

5846
04:20:45,640 --> 04:20:51,320
» Yes, that's right. Uh can I have a mover

5847
04:20:48,320 --> 04:20:51,320
and a seconder, please?

5848
04:20:51,960 --> 04:20:54,920
Council Gillman

5849
04:20:56,200 --> 04:21:01,120
Council Gallo

5850
04:20:57,840 --> 04:21:01,120
Comments or questions?

5851
04:21:01,760 --> 04:21:05,360
I see none, and I'll call the vote.

5852
04:21:20,080 --> 04:21:23,200
» My vote is no.

5853
04:21:27,640 --> 04:21:31,920
» It carries.

5854
04:21:30,120 --> 04:21:33,480
12.6

5855
04:21:31,920 --> 04:21:36,200
» That's the Lower Boulevard.

5856
04:21:33,480 --> 04:21:37,400
That's the Lower Boulevard.

5857
04:21:36,200 --> 04:21:40,480
» It's the Lower Boulevard.

5858
04:21:37,400 --> 04:21:42,480
» Development on Sorry, on the Lower.

5859
04:21:40,480 --> 04:21:44,840
» Okay, can I have a mover and a seconder,

5860
04:21:42,480 --> 04:21:47,880
please?

5861
04:21:44,840 --> 04:21:47,880
Council Gillman

5862
04:21:52,160 --> 04:21:54,760
» Seconded.

5863
04:21:56,120 --> 04:22:02,480
» Council Weiss, thank you.

5864
04:21:59,280 --> 04:22:02,480
Comments or questions?

5865
04:22:03,760 --> 04:22:06,800
Okay, I'll call the vote.

5866
04:22:20,400 --> 04:22:24,080
» My vote is no, thank you.

5867
04:22:27,200 --> 04:22:32,600
» It carries.

5868
04:22:28,680 --> 04:22:34,080
And the final bylaw 12.7 14070 Young

5869
04:22:32,600 --> 04:22:36,680
Street

5870
04:22:34,080 --> 04:22:39,160
removing a holding symbol H.

5871
04:22:36,680 --> 04:22:39,480
Uh Council Thompson.

5872
04:22:39,160 --> 04:22:40,960
» Sure.

5873
04:22:39,480 --> 04:22:43,800
» Do you move that?

5874
04:22:40,960 --> 04:22:46,280
Okay. Second Counselor Gilliland.

5875
04:22:43,800 --> 04:22:49,360
Comments or questions?

5876
04:22:46,280 --> 04:22:49,360
» I'll make the amendment.

5877
04:22:49,960 --> 04:22:53,320
» Yes, go ahead with the amendment.

5878
04:22:51,960 --> 04:22:55,680
» And just to reduce the

5879
04:22:53,320 --> 04:22:57,760
» Bring it to uh

5880
04:22:55,680 --> 04:23:00,080
» Reduce the sunset clause from 3 years to

5881
04:22:57,760 --> 04:23:00,080
2.

5882
04:23:03,240 --> 04:23:07,760
» I have a second here.

5883
04:23:05,000 --> 04:23:10,280
Counselor Galla?

5884
04:23:07,760 --> 04:23:12,520
No. Okay. Um

5885
04:23:10,280 --> 04:23:15,120
Can I have a second for the

5886
04:23:12,520 --> 04:23:15,120
amendment?

5887
04:23:19,160 --> 04:23:23,480
I don't see a second here.

5888
04:23:21,160 --> 04:23:25,000
» I'll second it. Counselor King.

5889
04:23:23,480 --> 04:23:27,000
» Okay. Counselor King

5890
04:23:25,000 --> 04:23:29,520
Gartner seconds it.

5891
04:23:27,000 --> 04:23:32,560
Comments or questions on the amendment?

5892
04:23:29,520 --> 04:23:32,560
3 years to 2 years?

5893
04:23:34,040 --> 04:23:37,800
Okay.

5894
04:23:36,040 --> 04:23:40,560
So, on the amendments

5895
04:23:37,800 --> 04:23:42,560
» I have my my hand up.

5896
04:23:40,560 --> 04:23:44,680
» Counselor

5897
04:23:42,560 --> 04:23:45,760
Galla, go ahead.

5898
04:23:44,680 --> 04:23:48,080
» Yeah, just

5899
04:23:45,760 --> 04:23:49,800
same as before. I don't understand the

5900
04:23:48,080 --> 04:23:52,200
rationale for

5901
04:23:49,800 --> 04:23:53,920
um picking this over the other. Um

5902
04:23:52,200 --> 04:23:56,000
Counselor Gilliland has a very good

5903
04:23:53,920 --> 04:23:57,920
point, particularly in this environment.

5904
04:23:56,000 --> 04:23:59,640
Why would we put more

5905
04:23:57,920 --> 04:24:01,640
uh constraints?

5906
04:23:59,640 --> 04:24:04,840
Um if we're going to be consistent with

5907
04:24:01,640 --> 04:24:09,280
be consistent amongst all of them.

5908
04:24:04,840 --> 04:24:09,280
Um so, I I won't be supporting this.

5909
04:24:12,480 --> 04:24:15,240
» Any comments?

5910
04:24:17,240 --> 04:24:20,280
Okay.

5911
04:24:19,120 --> 04:24:23,160
Call the vote

5912
04:24:20,280 --> 04:24:23,160
on the amendment.

5913
04:24:35,720 --> 04:24:40,120
» Councilor Guard?

5914
04:24:37,600 --> 04:24:40,120
» Yes.

5915
04:24:43,920 --> 04:24:48,240
» Okay, it's defeated.

5916
04:24:45,520 --> 04:24:48,240
Three to three.

5917
04:24:51,600 --> 04:24:55,800
We might need Madam Clerk we vote on the

5918
04:24:53,440 --> 04:24:56,320
main bylaw now.

5919
04:24:55,800 --> 04:24:59,640
» Yes.

5920
04:24:56,320 --> 04:25:00,040
» Yes, exactly. As presented by staff.

5921
04:24:59,640 --> 04:25:01,400
» Okay.

5922
04:25:00,040 --> 04:25:05,400
» So, we're

5923
04:25:01,400 --> 04:25:08,760
voting on the main bylaw as presented.

5924
04:25:05,400 --> 04:25:08,760
Any questions or comments?

5925
04:25:10,280 --> 04:25:13,520
Seeing none, we'll call the vote on the

5926
04:25:12,040 --> 04:25:16,480
main bylaw.

5927
04:25:13,520 --> 04:25:16,480
» Mover and a seconder?

5928
04:25:20,960 --> 04:25:26,160
» Councilor Gilliam.

5929
04:25:23,280 --> 04:25:26,160
And Councilor Ghela.

5930
04:25:26,720 --> 04:25:29,280
Call the vote.

5931
04:25:32,160 --> 04:25:35,200
» I'm a yes.

5932
04:25:41,800 --> 04:25:44,880
» Councilor Weese, please.

5933
04:25:50,480 --> 04:25:54,480
» The Carries.

5934
04:25:52,320 --> 04:25:57,760
Confirming bylaw. They have motion for

5935
04:25:54,480 --> 04:25:57,760
the confirming bylaw.

5936
04:25:58,320 --> 04:26:01,200
Councilor Thompson.

5937
04:26:02,400 --> 04:26:05,240
Councilor Gilliam.

5938
04:26:08,320 --> 04:26:10,960
Call the vote.

5939
04:26:13,240 --> 04:26:16,200
» I'm a yes.

5940
04:26:27,120 --> 04:26:31,200
» It passes.

5941
04:26:28,720 --> 04:26:33,160
» Councilor Kim, this has been a long,

5942
04:26:31,200 --> 04:26:34,520
hard meeting.

5943
04:26:33,160 --> 04:26:37,160
Thank you.

5944
04:26:34,520 --> 04:26:41,080
» Last one now, so if I could have it this

5945
04:26:37,160 --> 04:26:42,680
way, can I have a motion to adjourn?

5946
04:26:41,080 --> 04:26:44,360
Motion to adjourn.

5947
04:26:42,680 --> 04:26:45,160
Okay, Councilor Thompson.

5948
04:26:44,360 --> 04:26:48,320
» Good meeting.

5949
04:26:45,160 --> 04:26:51,280
» Councilor Dello, all those in favor?

5950
04:26:48,320 --> 04:26:52,920
It passes. Thanks, everybody.

5951
04:26:51,280 --> 04:26:55,480
» Thank you.

5952
04:26:52,920 --> 04:26:55,480
» Thank you.