1 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,830 There's another junior. 2 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,879 » Thank you. So, we will call this special 3 00:00:40,879 --> 00:00:43,600 meeting of council for Tuesday, June 4 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,559 23rd to order. Please could I just 5 00:00:46,559 --> 00:00:48,079 remind everybody to silence their 6 00:00:48,079 --> 00:00:50,239 devices if they haven't uh done so 7 00:00:50,239 --> 00:00:53,840 already. And also just a reminder that 8 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,480 uh today's meeting is livereamed on the 9 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,239 municipal YouTube channel for members of 10 00:00:58,239 --> 00:01:00,000 the public to view either live as it 11 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,719 says or at a at a later date right 12 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:04,400 there. 13 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,400 Uh adoption of the open session agenda. 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,760 to be resolved that the council of 15 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,840 corporation town of bankrupt is hereby 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,360 approved of the open session agenda as 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,680 amended uh dated June 23rd 2026. Uh it's 18 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,240 amended just for the order today. So 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,479 councelor Leman and councelor Lawrence 20 00:01:22,479 --> 00:01:26,400 all in favor please. Thank you. 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,320 Is there any declaration of pecuni? Just 22 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:33,360 seeing none. So today we have a 23 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,079 delegation uh from Mr. Brian Lawrence 24 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:38,560 over the walkway access over the 25 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,720 municipal property being the prominad. 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,360 So Brian, if you'd like to come to the 27 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:48,389 front. Thank you. 28 00:01:48,399 --> 00:01:50,240 And you'll need to push the button there 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,119 so you get a red light on on your mic 30 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:55,520 there. 31 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,079 >> That one. 32 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:56,799 >> You got it. 33 00:01:56,799 --> 00:01:57,920 >> That puts me on. 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:58,640 >> You're on. 35 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,000 >> Perfect. Thank you very much. 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,479 >> And just Sorry. You're going to Yeah, 37 00:02:02,479 --> 00:02:05,119 we're just going to put your sketches up 38 00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:06,479 so we can all see here. 39 00:02:06,479 --> 00:02:10,000 >> Great. Except that I have to make a 40 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,680 comment on that. Okay. Um, so I want to 41 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,120 start off with two apologies. One, I 42 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,480 forgot my hearing aids. So if you have 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,640 to yell at me, that's one thing. Uh, the 44 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,040 other is, uh, we just found out about 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,400 this whole thing about very short, not 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:25,680 very long ago. I understand that the 47 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,120 decision was made back in May, but we 48 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,040 heard nothing about that. So, it wasn't 49 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,720 until uh I met with Jake a few not long 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,720 ago that I was presented with this. This 51 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,040 was totally new to us. The reason I 52 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,000 mention that is that we um have been 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,720 making some I have Shannon with me too, 54 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,120 Shannon Moore, who runs the spa. She's 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,640 the one that's most affected by this. 56 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:49,120 She's more affected by it than I am. And 57 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,879 uh so if there's some questions that 58 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:52,640 pertain to that, then she'd be here to 59 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,040 answer them. But uh so we've been 60 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,760 talking up until 10 minutes ago and 61 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,680 making some changes. So Amber, I'm sorry 62 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,480 that that's not the most upto-date. So I 63 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,319 wasn't aware that I that that was going 64 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:07,519 to be used as such. Um but anyway, so I 65 00:03:07,519 --> 00:03:09,200 have a handout that's got the update 66 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,000 one. Is that okay? 67 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,319 >> Sure. 68 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:12,159 >> So I can hand that out. Okay. 69 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:22,630 >> I have a few handouts. 70 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:24,959 Take your time. 71 00:03:24,959 --> 00:03:34,390 I only have three hours. You just take your time. 72 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,040 » Yeah. 73 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,280 >> My fault. This is this sad. 74 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:43,430 >> That's okay. Take your time. 75 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:53,670 Right. 76 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,599 » See, it always shows you who knows 77 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:57,040 what's going on. 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,400 >> That's why I brought her along, too. 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,670 >> That's right. [laughter] 80 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,439 » So, yeah. You don't mind taking one 81 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:07,360 passing along because your face is what 82 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,400 I I am. Okay. You're okay with that? 83 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,640 >> Yep. 84 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,107 Wow, that was 85 00:04:16,107 --> 00:04:18,079 [laughter] I tried to call you. That's 86 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:22,479 right. Okay. So, uh yeah. So, I 87 00:04:22,479 --> 00:04:25,199 apologize that didn't get sent to Amber, 88 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:27,280 but to say we've been just working on it 89 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:28,560 up. They're both the same. They're just 90 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,680 coming from two different directions. 91 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,320 >> Yeah. I'm thankful. I think 92 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,280 >> so. If I may folks uh give you a very 93 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,919 Oh, the other handout I have is a 94 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:40,960 written handout to uh text to go with 95 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,160 that. Just a word of explanation because 96 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,960 I think there are some things that uh 97 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,960 many of you may not be aware of with 98 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,639 respect to the project. Uh so I'm trying 99 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:55,680 to make this as brief as possible but at 100 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,320 your leisure there is um there is uh 101 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,759 opportunity to to get a little bit of 102 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:07,840 background. So if I may very briefly 103 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:11,199 I would like to just address 104 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:13,759 the the property. So the property we're 105 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:15,759 talking about of course is 45 Hastings 106 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:18,320 Street North. Royal Leage is in the 107 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,960 front. Shannon has her spot at the back 108 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,759 and we have an apartment upstairs. 109 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:25,600 So we bought that shortly after my 110 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,600 father passed away. We used some 111 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,160 earnings to buy a rental property and uh 112 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,080 so that's what uh what we have. So when 113 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,160 we purchased that as you can see on that 114 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,280 the text uh when we purchased 45 the 115 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:44,240 eastern property line extended about 30 116 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,479 ft past the neighboring property. So if 117 00:05:48,479 --> 00:05:50,720 you go to the diagram 118 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,199 that I handed out, that 30 ft is that 119 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,520 blue box. 120 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,520 Why that property line extended that 121 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,199 far, I don't know. I wasn't part of 122 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:03,520 that. We we just bought the property. 123 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,479 Okay. So 124 00:06:06,479 --> 00:06:08,400 forever since we bought it, we've had 125 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,639 that that blue square. So it's about 30 126 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:14,560 by 30, so about 900 square ft. 127 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,520 And historically we got limited use of 128 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,919 it. Uh the town would often put snow on 129 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:22,000 there and that kind of thing. So but we 130 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,440 did have parking behind it etc. Okay. So 131 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:33,840 when uh we had that um when 41 collapsed 132 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,960 when the um Victorian lady collapsed it 133 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,319 was as you know it was sitting there for 134 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:40,160 some period of time in a bad state of 135 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,479 repair. So Tyler, my son, if you know 136 00:06:42,479 --> 00:06:44,639 Tyler Lawrence from Lawrence Electric, 137 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:48,800 who was with at Dolia now, keeping your 138 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,800 water and sewer together, um he and 139 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,639 Jeremy and Jason White from Beacon 140 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:57,360 Construction bought the property. They 141 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,960 didn't want it, they didn't need it, but 142 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,960 it was an eyesore and so they they 143 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,440 elected to buy it 144 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,680 and uh and tore it down. And I won't get 145 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,360 into all the details, but they went 146 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,440 through various phases with that. But 147 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,520 they brought the property right off the 148 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,520 bat. It was obvious that there was a 149 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,280 storm sewer went through that property 150 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,199 and that that storm sewer was in bad 151 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:18,800 state of repair. It was all undermined. 152 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,039 There was huge cavities. So they 153 00:07:21,039 --> 00:07:24,000 couldn't build while that storm sewer 154 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,639 was in that condition. 155 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:29,120 And uh so we had some discussions with 156 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,120 various people over the time about about 157 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,720 rerouting that uh because the main uh 158 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,880 portion of that the largest portion of 159 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,599 that water came from clique. There was a 160 00:07:39,599 --> 00:07:42,160 culbert that ran along the bell property 161 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:48,319 and discharged uh right right uh to the south of us behind the 162 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:50,880 neighboring property. And that huge 163 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,120 volume of water went through there every 164 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,039 spring. 165 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:57,680 It also impacted us because at the back 166 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,000 of 45 167 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,400 uh with all that snow melting etc we 168 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,479 ended up with huge quantities of runoff. 169 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:06,879 So we end up with quite a pond at the 170 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:09,680 back of 45 over a foot deep. And so it 171 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,000 affected uh plowing, it affected 172 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,960 parking, it affected everything. So we 173 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,960 in the spring would have to my son and I 174 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,720 would have to get in there with shovels 175 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,599 and dig the ditch out that got filled 176 00:08:21,599 --> 00:08:23,840 with snow to get the water to run 177 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,120 through and it ended up going through 178 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,280 that culvert too. So we had two 179 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,160 problems. The the the runoff gave us a 180 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,399 big pond and the boys couldn't build. 181 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:37,360 After the building was removed, there 182 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,200 was a bell box on the side of the 183 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,680 building and uh the boys put up a wooden 184 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:44,880 stand and attached that box and it was 185 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,600 there for some period of time. Suddenly 186 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,839 one day out of the blue, if you look at 187 00:08:49,839 --> 00:08:53,920 the diagram that I handed out 188 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,800 on the lower left corner, 189 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,720 Belle put up a box, a standing box that 190 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,880 stands about 2 ft high or whatever and 191 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,120 foot square 192 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,360 right in our driveway. As you can see, 193 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,800 that's the driveway. We own that 194 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,040 driveway. That's part of our property. 195 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,000 We didn't normally use that pime that uh 196 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,880 driveway because at that for a long time 197 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,800 uh where the prominad's going was open 198 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,880 to vehicular traffic. So we would just 199 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,680 drive in there. When construction 200 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:28,240 started uh then we no longer had access 201 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,240 to drive there. So we ended up talking 202 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,680 to Dwayne Sutherland at um at McDougall 203 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,160 and Dwayne agreed to let us use his 204 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,440 driveway to get back there. In exchange, 205 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,720 we have since then given his staff 206 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,200 several parking spots so that they are close to the building. So many of 207 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,680 them park there every day now and walk 208 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,560 to the business. 209 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:55,680 In conjunction with that, their neighbor 210 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,120 building, we call it the Henderson 211 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,200 building, I believe it's number 51, has 212 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,600 two apartments upstairs. When the 213 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,519 construction fences went up, there were 214 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:06,320 no parking for them. So, we were asked 215 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,800 by them if we could provide them with 216 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,760 two parking spots. When we had the blue 217 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,920 square, there was no problem. They 218 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,320 typically park behind there and and all 219 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,720 was good. So, that's that's the uh the 220 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,360 history. 221 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,279 So, 222 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:27,360 and uh [sighs and gasps] 223 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,160 um I tried to get I tried to contact 224 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,560 Belle to get them to move that box and 225 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,360 they just kept dragging me and dragging 226 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,640 me. Anyway, I finally got a hold of a 227 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,760 Bell person on and uh I don't know his 228 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,760 name off hand, but he said uh I I 229 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,760 explained the situation and he says, "We 230 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,480 don't have anything that you can drive 231 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,560 over." Okay. [laughter] So I said, 232 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:52,000 "Well, Tyler and I have been talking 233 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,120 about it and it's something called a 234 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,040 handwell. It's like a short piece of 235 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,839 culbert with a steel top on it that you 236 00:10:57,839 --> 00:11:00,247 that's intended to be driven over." So 237 00:11:00,247 --> 00:11:01,760 [snorts] he said, so we said we would 238 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,200 talk about doing that. He said, "Go 239 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,720 ahead and do that, but don't tell me 240 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,160 about it or whatever." [laughter] 241 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,240 So at our expense, and it was in the 242 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,640 neighborhood of $300 or $400, uh, we 243 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,480 bought this handwell. It's sitting on 244 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,399 the property now. If you look, it's 245 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:17,279 sitting in behind the u the privacy 246 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:18,560 fence there. So, it's sitting there 247 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:21,519 waiting and Tyler hopefully in the next 248 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:24,320 week or two will will be able to install 249 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,440 that so that then we can open that 250 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,880 driveway. So, the only access we have to 251 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,600 the back of 45 is through McDougall 252 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,927 parking lot. Okay. All right. 253 00:11:36,927 --> 00:11:37,920 [clears throat] 254 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,040 A couple of winter before last, uh we 255 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,079 went to Florida for a while and before 256 00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:48,000 we left the the uh tarp, the the 257 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,600 insulated tarp was behind 51. Our 258 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,600 understanding was that they the reason 259 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,680 for that is to minimize frost so that 260 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:58,480 you could dig in early spring. So when 261 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,200 we left uh for Florida, that was the 262 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,399 understanding the building was going 263 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:04,480 there. The other thing I talked to hydro 264 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,320 and if you look on the on the left side 265 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,279 of the of the blue square you'll see 266 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:13,440 that there's a hydro pole. Again this is 267 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,000 uh please don't the the dimensions 268 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 aren't necessarily accurate because uh 269 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,200 it's for illustrative purposes only. I 270 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,760 talked to a lady from Hydro and she said 271 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,720 that they hydro was going to move that 272 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,800 pole and move it further south on town 273 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,279 property because the power was going to 274 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:35,839 come from Clique Street because there's 275 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:38,399 power coming to that from uh from the U 276 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:41,839 pub area there now. So the that hydro 277 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:45,839 line would have gone right into that uh 278 00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:47,519 through the had to be removed because of 279 00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:49,680 the building. When we were in Florida, 280 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,639 Jake text me and and said, "Uh, we've 281 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:55,680 moved the location of the uh the NIP 282 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:00,079 that the the HIPP [laughter] the uh the 283 00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:02,880 uh library building to where it is now." 284 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,800 And uh he wondered if we would be 285 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,959 willing to sell the black the blue 286 00:13:06,959 --> 00:13:09,680 square. And I said I talked it over with 287 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:11,120 Tyler. He said, "We would really like to 288 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,519 keep it. We we like the we like the snow 289 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:16,240 storage and we like the extra parking." 290 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,839 Um anyway, then after a few discussions, 291 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:21,760 I found out that Janet was the 292 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,200 developer. I didn't know anything about 293 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,120 that till that point. And so Jake turned 294 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,040 me over to Janet because she was going 295 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,000 to be dealing with with the issues at 296 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,320 that point. Uh Jake and I talked about 297 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:33,440 some other things that we can talk about 298 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,880 later if you wish. But anyway, bottom 299 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,519 line, we started dealing with Janet. So, 300 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:41,200 she 301 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,440 sent me 302 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,320 a a offer to purchase 303 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,880 the blue square 304 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,440 for $2. [snorts] 305 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,120 Okay, we still haven't seen the $2, but 306 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,160 that's either here or there in exchange 307 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,519 because we said, "Okay, if we if we uh 308 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:01,440 agree to sell the property, and by the 309 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,199 way, if we'd left that, that would have 310 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:05,600 a major impact on the property. that 311 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,279 would it wouldn't go all the way to the 312 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:09,440 building, but it would sure have a big 313 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,800 impact. Uh so there were we asked we 314 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,680 ended up getting three condition three 315 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:18,560 um things that she agreed to. One was 316 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:21,760 that the sewer line would definitely be 317 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,600 a realigned so that it went across the 318 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,199 back of the properties and out through 319 00:14:27,199 --> 00:14:29,519 the prominad area which as we all know 320 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:33,120 is has been done. The other thing was 321 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,600 that she would agree to put a catch 322 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,040 basin on behind 45 so that we would 323 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,839 never have a ponding issue again. And 324 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:45,040 the third thing she agreed to was that 325 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,880 she would haul our snow for up to up to 326 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,440 three times a month. So if you look at 327 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,680 the diagram, 328 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,880 the the yellow box is where presumably 329 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,600 the snow would be piled. And Shannon 330 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,959 looks after the snow plowing. Uh she uh 331 00:15:04,959 --> 00:15:08,079 that's one of her jobs. And so uh in our 332 00:15:08,079 --> 00:15:09,440 rental agreement, she looks after the 333 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,000 snow plowing. So the snow would be 334 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,399 stored there and up to three times a 335 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:17,440 month hauled away at the developer's 336 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,040 expense. 337 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,240 So although the storm sewer through 41 338 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:23,920 didn't affect me directly, it certainly 339 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,440 affected my son and the boys so that 340 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,720 they could build. By the way, they ended 341 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,320 up buying a bunch of steel for that 342 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,120 property because uh it was just about co 343 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,399 time and they knew the price was going 344 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:34,880 to rise. So they have stockpiled a bunch 345 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,040 of steel at Tyler's place waiting for 346 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,320 construction. So now that that cover the 347 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,880 midarity of the water no longer passes 348 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:48,480 through there, they would now be able to uh to build what their plans are uh 349 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,199 and have been approved. Um commercial on 350 00:15:51,199 --> 00:15:52,800 the main floor, three apartments 351 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:57,600 upstairs. Okay. So that pretty much 352 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:05,440 brings us to uh uh close um back a few a 353 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,320 while ago um we heard through the 354 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,800 grapevine that the prominad was on hold 355 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,680 until next year. 356 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,199 So current or up until recently, the 357 00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:21,199 people that from 51 in the apartment in 358 00:16:21,199 --> 00:16:23,199 order to access access the apartment 359 00:16:23,199 --> 00:16:25,519 have to Oh, by the way, the privacy 360 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:27,759 fence I opened it up a little bit too 361 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:30,800 just so there's foot traffic so that uh 362 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,560 spa customers and the people from 51 had 363 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,800 better access. Otherwise, they also have 364 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,880 to walk around and go down the McDougall 365 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,519 driveway as well. So in order to get 366 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:43,040 access to the back of the property, I 367 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,959 moved the end of the fence just a couple 368 00:16:44,959 --> 00:16:46,639 of feet just so that there could be foot 369 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:47,839 traffic. Although we can't have 370 00:16:47,839 --> 00:16:49,440 vehicular traffic obviously till the 371 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,320 bell box is moved, foot traffic is 372 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,839 possible. 373 00:16:53,839 --> 00:16:56,639 So when I had heard that that fence was 374 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,199 going to be remain to the north of us 375 00:16:59,199 --> 00:17:01,440 for at least till next year, first of 376 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,360 all, there was a couple of concerns. One 377 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,120 was the garbage. Somebody left an old 378 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:07,051 chair there and 379 00:17:07,051 --> 00:17:07,199 >> [laughter] 380 00:17:07,199 --> 00:17:09,439 >> uh there was a couple of real estate 381 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:11,199 boxes that they used for the the 382 00:17:11,199 --> 00:17:12,720 pamphlets were there lying on the 383 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,400 ground. There was there's still to this 384 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,079 day a a a drum there with a garbage dome 385 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,079 on the top. So I just saw a guy today 386 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:22,116 putting garbage in there. So So 387 00:17:22,116 --> 00:17:23,199 [laughter] 388 00:17:23,199 --> 00:17:25,520 it looked it looked and and grass was 389 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,559 growing up and and it was looking pretty 390 00:17:28,559 --> 00:17:33,120 ugly. So um I I contacted uh Janet and I 391 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:36,240 said is there any way that that privacy 392 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,760 sorry the construction fence could be 393 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,840 moved so that first primarily the 394 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,640 tenants from 51 it would be closer for 395 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,880 them cuz that's their part that's where 396 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,440 they park currently to bring their 397 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,039 groceries to bring their luggage if 398 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:52,880 they're going somewhere. It made it that 399 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,360 much shorter. It clean gave us an 400 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,600 opportunity to clean up the mess and 401 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,760 we're not going to deny it. It did make 402 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,360 it a little easier for people off the 403 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:04,400 sidewalk to come to to Shannon Spa 404 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,840 because that's where the main entrance 405 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,587 is on that side of the building. Okay. 406 00:18:10,587 --> 00:18:11,120 [clears throat] 407 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:14,480 So, uh, when, uh, Shannon, sorry, when 408 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,640 Janet agreed to that, then the fence was 409 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,039 moved and I brought in some gravel just 410 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:21,760 to make it easy for on the short term 411 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,600 to, uh, to walk from the sidewalk to the main entrance on the north of the 412 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,760 building. Never intending it to be 413 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,080 anything permanent. It was just to make 414 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,960 it easier for the tenants and to and to 415 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,200 clean up the area. 416 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,840 So, that brings me to the point where we 417 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,880 are today. So when Jake showed up, he 418 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,559 called me and and said he wanted to meet 419 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:47,200 me at 45 and he handed me the the lease 420 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,960 agreement form. Well, this was a total 421 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,400 shock to me as was the layout of the u 422 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,080 of the prominad um so the sidewalk and 423 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,679 the whole prominad area. So that's when 424 00:18:59,679 --> 00:19:03,840 we uh got in touch with um Amber and 425 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,000 asked if we could be here. And thank you 426 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:06,918 Amber. 427 00:19:06,918 --> 00:19:07,440 >> [laughter] 428 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,760 >> We were pleasantly s we're very happy 429 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,480 that when you agreed and and uh and so I 430 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,320 immediately put those diagrams together 431 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,640 that I emailed you so that you could as 432 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,960 required to confirm that I wasn't aware 433 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,559 that that was going to be they were 434 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:21,840 going to be used here. I guess it makes 435 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,840 sense but I understood we had to bring 436 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,120 12 copies so I didn't of whatever it was 437 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:30,000 we were presenting. Okay. So now if we 438 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,360 can go to the diagram please. 439 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:37,679 So J Shannon and I had discussions 440 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:41,760 ongoing but we had more discussions this 441 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,280 morning and until we met at 45 before we 442 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,600 came here. So we have so right off the 443 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,280 bat she does not need the sidewalk. The 444 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,640 sidewalk that it was proposed is not 445 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:03,200 necessary at all for her business. the 446 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,039 vast I'm a large person and she can um 447 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:11,039 reply to this or comment many of her 448 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:14,960 customers park at the back and walk from 449 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,360 the back of the building down the side. 450 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,679 So, 451 00:20:19,679 --> 00:20:21,360 currently, if you were to go there right 452 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,919 now, the fence is moved away from the 453 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:26,080 building, and I put in some patio 454 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,280 stones. When we got looking at the um uh 455 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,480 the uh stakes, the the the property 456 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,480 stakes, we was we knew it. And on your 457 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,440 on their diagram, if you notice there, I 458 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,520 show the property line on the north side 459 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,520 of the building. So the the property 460 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,880 line is really close to the front part 461 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,200 of the building. There is a little jog 462 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,000 where the spa is and but the property 463 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,679 line continues on past the building. I 464 00:20:57,679 --> 00:21:00,880 have one more handout for you 465 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:11,430 now that I know where they are. 466 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,799 This was taken 467 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:24,950 this morning. 468 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,760 So, this is the back of the spa, the 469 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,440 norththeast corner of the spa. 470 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,840 The current patio stones are what being 471 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,280 used as the as the main 472 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,840 uh entrance access to the side entrance. 473 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,440 If you 474 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,280 Yes. 475 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,200 Looking towards the sidewalk 476 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,159 >> towards Hasting Street. 477 00:21:48,159 --> 00:21:50,400 >> To lower tasting towards Hasting Street. 478 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,600 Yes. Okay. 479 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,600 So, as in front in the lower corner down 480 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,320 here is the property 481 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,760 marker, that little orange square. 482 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,919 So, what Shannon and I discussed, and 483 00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:10,320 it's actually her suggestion, is that 484 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,080 let's just move the patio stones right 485 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,640 to the building. Now, we're on our 486 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,240 property 487 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,559 now. And by the way, if you want to 488 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:22,559 bring up one of those other rooms, 489 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,280 Amber, that I showed previously, I had 490 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,200 suggested Oh, sorry, Jake. 491 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,360 We got extra. 492 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,600 Um, 493 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,830 sorry. Do you have all three? 494 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,360 Uh, 495 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:50,149 keep going. Okay, that one. Yes. 496 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:52,240 » She did move the patio stone back on 497 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,280 another picture and it's real close. 498 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,400 Sorry. 499 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,799 No, no, less than that. That that's I 500 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:00,960 think maybe I don't know what the size 501 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,360 of that I could have measured that was 502 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,799 going to 503 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:12,080 >> No, that's only 6 in. basically 10 in 504 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:18,230 >> um to the building 505 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:24,470 » right here is is only about 10 in 506 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,320 » the patio stone was about that much 507 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,480 wider. I can show you the picture. Okay. 508 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:28,880 Do you mind? 509 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,960 >> Yeah. 510 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,400 Um Shannon took another picture 511 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:42,710 and um 512 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,240 if anybody want to see sorry 513 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,590 there's the 514 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,520 » so what we have decided 515 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,600 >> let let me just ask a question here for 516 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,640 some clarification. So, 517 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,600 um, sorry, uh, Jake, you made a comment 518 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,880 there about that distance between the 519 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,480 marker and the building was 10 inches. 520 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:02,960 >> Yes. 521 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:03,280 >> Yeah. 522 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,880 >> Okay. So, 10 in is obviously not wide 523 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,480 enough for a 524 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,000 >> I don't know what that number is, Paul, 525 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,520 but you're I hear what you're saying. I 526 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,520 was there a few minutes ago. I cleaned 527 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,840 that area. Okay. But here's the other 528 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,919 thing too is that 529 00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:21,600 >> the gist of of this is sorry is 530 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,440 >> and what we're governed by 531 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,520 >> through our insurance companies is li is 532 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:26,320 liability. 533 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:26,720 >> Okay. 534 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,840 >> We have I hear you 535 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,159 >> we have to do everything to mitigate uh 536 00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:31,840 to to mitigate liability. 537 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:32,559 >> Yes. 538 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,120 >> We would in a case like this where even 539 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:36,640 say you said you did not want to use 540 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,159 that site at all. we would still 541 00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:40,480 probably be obligated to put up either a 542 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,120 fence or something of that nature there 543 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,000 to uh to prevent that access from 544 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,559 happening 545 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,320 >> at 10 in. 546 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,039 >> Yes. 547 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:50,159 >> Whatever. I mean, you obviously can't 548 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:50,720 get beyond. 549 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,320 >> So So again, 10 in I can't see is is not 550 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,039 a probably a a safe walkway. Uh 551 00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,039 >> I believe accessibility is in 552 00:24:59,039 --> 00:24:59,520 >> Yeah, 553 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,120 >> we're not concerned about accessibility 554 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,720 because we have other instances, but go 555 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,039 ahead. 556 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:06,070 >> Right. 557 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,080 » Oh, yeah. But it's not on your property. 558 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:08,559 >> Nobody. 559 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:09,840 >> I mean, as far as the the walkway, is 560 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,640 that what we're talking about? 561 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,480 >> Yeah. But bottom line, and I hear what 562 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,679 you're saying, Paul, carry on if you 563 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:13,919 wish. 564 00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:16,080 >> No, I'm just saying is that uh Hey, if 565 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,480 this was at 2 ft, then you could make it 566 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,640 fine. But I I don't believe you don't 567 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,000 have enough you don't have enough room 568 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,520 there. And to for anybody to access 569 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,840 municipal property uh on a regular 570 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,600 basis, we have to have an we have to 571 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,279 have an agreement indemnifying us from 572 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:33,600 liability. That's that's the the rules 573 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,400 that we have to follow. 574 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,200 So this proposal that came forward to 575 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,240 put the sidewalk on both sides because 576 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,159 we have to treat all property owners the 577 00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:45,840 same. If we do want something for one, 578 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,520 we have to do it for other. We have to 579 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,600 treat all property owners uh the same 580 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,360 because there's access, you know, as you 581 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:54,240 pointed out on both sides here. So the 582 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,000 plan that was came up which we thought 583 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,880 was a fairly generous plan uh to provide 584 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,440 you with good access to your uh to your 585 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,760 door um to your side door from either 586 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,720 the front or the back you know from the 587 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,159 front or the back there. Um 588 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:14,559 uh that's why the plan was developed in the form that it was in. And then as 589 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:18,159 part of that again um we have to have 590 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:19,840 some type of an agreement in place which 591 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320 is the lease document and and that it 592 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,200 and insurance is you know is being 593 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,320 provided etc. So I'm sort of having a 594 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,799 hard time seeing how I I'm sort of 595 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,480 thinking the sidewalk is of great 596 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,919 benefit to you uh for access from both 597 00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:38,400 ways to the uh to the side of the 598 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,200 building. 599 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,840 >> Good point. 600 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,600 So, we're I wouldn't say I was there 601 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,039 today. I started cleaning that area 602 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,360 because instead of putting patio stones, 603 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,360 we were planning to go with gravel as I 604 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,840 mentioned on on on the current one. 605 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,159 Okay. It is tight. There's no question 606 00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:55,360 about that. 607 00:26:55,360 --> 00:27:00,159 >> But it puts all the all the access and and as you know, there is a sec a 608 00:27:00,159 --> 00:27:02,159 back door as is shown on here, right? 609 00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:05,919 That that is not the only access to her spa. 610 00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:07,360 >> I just have a quick question. 611 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,440 >> Sure. On the diagram that was proposed 612 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,720 to us, the sidewalk was only going at 613 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,799 the front of the building and we were 614 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,520 told that the fence is actually going to 615 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,960 go down over and then back. So that 616 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,520 means I have no access from the back of 617 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,960 my building to my door. And and that's a 618 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,080 point that uh we can look at again that 619 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,360 part of that part of it 620 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,799 >> because yeah I was told that the fence 621 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,440 was going to be pretty much whatever 10 622 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,360 inches or whatever that is from the back 623 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,919 of my building or Brian's building. So I 624 00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:41,679 from the back of his building it was 625 00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:43,440 going to be right there. So none of my 626 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,080 customers. 627 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,840 >> Right. So as I sit here I I don't know 628 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,600 what the implications of us trying to 629 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,200 provide a little bit more room. So, I'm 630 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,320 not going to say that I'm going to 631 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,159 promise anything, but I'm just saying is 632 00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:54,159 that we could certainly look at that 633 00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:55,679 >> and and I appreciate what you're saying, 634 00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:57,120 Paul. On the other and on the other 635 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,600 hand, too, as well, we would have really 636 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,120 liked to have had this conversation 637 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,679 before that got into print and then we 638 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:05,679 could have been aware of some of these 639 00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:08,480 options. This was a total surprise to us 640 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,360 the other day. 641 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,880 >> Again, it's a tough one because 642 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,440 technically it is our it's our property. 643 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,279 you know, you know, it's it's our 644 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,760 property that's being accessed and just 645 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,480 with so many changes in insurance, etc. 646 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,279 Uh, over the years, um, we're basically 647 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,200 forced to do everything to mitigate risk 648 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,760 to the municipality. 649 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,320 >> I debated about whether reading this out 650 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,080 or not. 651 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,640 Property owners or their representatives 652 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,720 on both sides of the prominade were 653 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,960 aware of access encroachments before 654 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,960 site development began. They 655 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,520 participated in discussions 656 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,360 uh where these challenges were discussed 657 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,360 and interimm pathways were subsequently 658 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760 implemented when construction fencing 659 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,640 was erected in 2024. These owners were 660 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,320 aware of the development plans although 661 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,320 the final prominad design had not been 662 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,000 completed at that time. 663 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,440 >> I don't remember that discussion. 664 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,360 >> I've got emails between you and I where 665 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,279 we've been talking about this you know 666 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:04,559 about the whole development. But I'm 667 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:09,520 saying I had no idea that that that the um the uh 668 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,520 >> no sidewalk was 669 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,880 >> as it says right what you've just read 670 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,480 there the prominad design was not 671 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,120 finalized 672 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,880 >> right I I appreciate that but we knew 673 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,320 nothing about that I would have I'd have 674 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,159 loved to have these discussions before I 675 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:21,840 even put all this effort into into 676 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,279 making these things the other thing if 677 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,279 you'll notice on the other ones for a 678 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,360 long time people walked from the from 679 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,520 the vehicle driveway into the site 680 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,600 Right. Uh that was traffic constantly. 681 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,279 People actually park there and walk in 682 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:43,600 and that kind of stuff. So when I 683 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,200 understood there was some liability 684 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,240 issues. So if people walk through a 685 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,669 garden 686 00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:54,559 as as part of the town 687 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:59,120 and trip over a shrub, can they sue 688 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,600 the the town over that? because I we 689 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,279 talked now. The reason I asked is that 690 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:04,799 because at one time I suggested a 691 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,120 shorter sidewalk straight out, but I 692 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,240 understand that's still a a uh 693 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:10,720 >> liability 694 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,840 >> a liability issue. So, uh the other 695 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,919 thing and and Shannon and I just talked 696 00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:19,200 about a half an hour ago is the very 697 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,279 real possibility 698 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,640 of realigning her uh the business 699 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,679 inside. and that door would strictly be 700 00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:31,039 a fire escape, making her reception area 701 00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:35,120 at the back door rather than the side. 702 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,360 So, what what I had proposed on here, 703 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,520 and I I totally understand if if this is 704 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,760 a no, I I'm it is what it is. 705 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,279 Um 706 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,679 if there was any chance of moving the 707 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,360 fence, as you can see on the diagram, 708 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,440 say two options, moving the fence 709 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,070 further north 710 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,840 and and then that would mean that we 711 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,039 would have have have space 712 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:05,279 uh to to go down that path or if the 713 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,200 path if if the fence has to stay where 714 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,159 it is sorry in that alignment moving it 715 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:13,200 a foot. 716 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,200 So I think it's Shannon's respons 717 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,600 Shannon's 718 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,000 responsibility 719 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,799 uh I assume now correct me if I'm wrong 720 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,360 that she can tell her customers 721 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,360 whether or not they want to walk down a 722 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,919 10 or 12 inch path or whether they want 723 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:34,159 to use the other entrance. Is that 724 00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:37,360 correct or that gray? [laughter] 725 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,880 >> Well again let's address your first 726 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,519 question. 727 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,080 >> Sure. Could we realign the fence at the 728 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,519 back so that you could go from the 729 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,919 parking lot and make your way around? 730 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:49,600 That's what I'm gathering is the issue 731 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,279 at the rear. 732 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:52,640 >> So just just 733 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,399 >> Yes. So I'm just saying we can look at 734 00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:56,399 that. You know, it might only be you 735 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:57,760 need a couple feet to 736 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,440 >> Exactly. That's more than 737 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,840 >> Yeah. So we we could look at that. That 738 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:07,039 still leaves in play uh the fact that 10 739 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,039 in is probably is not going to do you to 740 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,600 do have a walkway. Again, I believe it's 741 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,039 more than 10, but I'm not going to swear 742 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,760 to anything until we go out and measure. 743 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,039 >> And I guess I'm having a hard time 744 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,720 because I'm thinking this is a very 745 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,480 generous offer by the town to provide 746 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,279 you with a very nice walkway and access 747 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:28,880 to the door. And the other thing too is that just for you to think about, you 748 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,720 may not own this building forever. And 749 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,000 to have that side access open, uh, you 750 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,159 know, with an agreement is probably to 751 00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:39,200 your advantage as well. it uh it was not 752 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,720 being used when I bought the building. 753 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,200 It was a insurance at the time. They 754 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,000 didn't use it. It wasn't until I rented 755 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,240 out the front who then rented out the 756 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,159 back unknown to me by the way. I said, 757 00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:51,572 "Here's your subtenant." Right. Okay. 758 00:32:51,572 --> 00:32:54,000 [laughter] Anyway, they started to put 759 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,919 the spa in because the the original 760 00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:58,000 tenant rented the whole floor. 761 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,720 >> Yeah. 762 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,159 >> Um and again, as I say, you can see 763 00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:07,519 I I said from the from the photo. Yes, 764 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,799 the the the the 765 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,240 width is not as wide as that patio 766 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,080 stone. I totally agree cuz we have a 767 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,480 photo saying that. 768 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,120 But when I started clearing there, I 769 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,120 walked that and I could 770 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360 >> like how would you clear snow in 10 in? 771 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,720 >> That's a Shannon's problem. 772 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,720 >> Well, I know like a shovel is lighter 773 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,360 than 10 inches. 774 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,600 >> No. And she wants to in the winter use 775 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760 the rear entrance. That's her call. 776 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,279 >> Yeah. So, the two options I was hoping 777 00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:38,880 for. Sorry, Council Wiggins has a 778 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,240 question. 779 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:40,880 >> Just uh 780 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:41,919 >> Deputy Mayor, I'm sorry. 781 00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:45,440 >> No problem. Uh like your driveway on the 782 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,200 uh side that you're dancing with, Belle. 783 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,720 That's a that's an issue you're dancing 784 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,240 with. How wide is that driveway? Is 785 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,039 vehicular wide? 786 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,919 >> Oh, absolutely. So, like if she moved 787 00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,399 her main entrance to the back and put 788 00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:58,559 signage here, you would not need that on 789 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,159 the north side. You'd be able to walk 790 00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:01,600 down the driveway and in the back. 791 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:02,799 >> That's what they're doing now. 792 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:03,279 >> Perfect. 793 00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:07,519 >> Okay. However, uh people h want to 794 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,679 normally park there and they're hesitant 795 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,560 to use McDougall's driveway. There's a 796 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,000 fair bit of traffic coming and going. 797 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,079 The restaurant is there. Uh all that and 798 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,159 then when F41 gets built, it's going to 799 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,000 Well, by the we we hope to have that 800 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,839 driveway open in weeks. Oh, yeah. 801 00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:23,520 >> If I can get Tyler at it. But I hear 802 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,280 what you're saying. And people can do 803 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,960 that now by walking. 804 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,320 >> Yeah. 805 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,040 >> They put a sign up on the on the privacy 806 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,960 fence there to indicate that. Well, to 807 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,200 me it just seems the simplest way to to 808 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,720 solve all your problems was change the 809 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:37,760 door they come into. 810 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,560 >> Uh, sorry to come in the back entrance. 811 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,399 >> Yeah, that that is is a is a 812 00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:43,839 possibility. The way it's set up now, 813 00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:46,079 the reception areas there that they're 814 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:48,079 tanning beds and the controls are all we 815 00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:49,119 discussed 816 00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,119 >> an hour ago and that is within the 817 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:52,079 realms of possibility. 818 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,480 >> You only have to realize if you insisted 819 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,399 on remaining with your 10 in that the 820 00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:57,760 town's probably going to have to put up 821 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,119 some type of barrier. 822 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:00,880 >> We if she does that, we wouldn't do 823 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,119 that. We wouldn't bother with the 10 824 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:04,880 inches, 825 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,839 >> right? But 826 00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:06,720 >> we would just 827 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,119 >> we would have to sort and I'm not again 828 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,040 this would have to go to staff is that 829 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,720 there would have to be some asurances 830 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,400 somehow that that side door is not going 831 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,680 to be used because when you step out of 832 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,720 that side door, you're going to be on 833 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:17,520 town property. 834 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,240 >> Not quite. 835 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:18,880 >> 10 inches. 836 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,599 >> 10 in. 837 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:19,920 >> Yeah. 838 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,480 >> No. Is as I said, if you lose it, it'll 839 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,480 be strictly fire. 840 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,510 >> The fire exit. The second exit. 841 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,109 » See? 842 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,839 Yeah, I guess I guess I'm still at a 843 00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:38,079 loss. Why you would not want a nice 844 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:39,520 walkway? 845 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,240 >> Why would you walk on five feet when 10 ft over you about 20 ft? 846 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:48,800 >> Well, that's our property. We can't have people accessing that 847 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,960 through our property. This comes down to 848 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:57,030 the liability issue again. 849 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,680 » Yes. 850 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,960 Yeah. 851 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,839 >> My question, Brian, would be if we go 852 00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:05,680 back to the original plan where we 853 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,000 offered the sidewalk and agreed to that 854 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,480 lease um agreement that the town has 855 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,680 proposed 856 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,079 >> and we could short not necessarily move 857 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:17,119 the fence in, but shorten a small piece 858 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:18,720 off of it. And I'm again, I can't 859 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,480 promise that we can do that. I'm not the 860 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,920 developer. I have no part of the 861 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,000 building of it. if that fence could be 862 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,320 shortened a small amount to allow you to 863 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,480 access there. [snorts] 864 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,520 >> Trees are missing. 865 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,880 >> That's basically what we were saying 866 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,560 before about investing the rear fence. 867 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,720 >> So rather than move the fence there, 868 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:35,119 >> yeah, 869 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:36,320 >> take a piece off the end. 870 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:36,800 >> Well, yeah. 871 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,560 >> So now you can access and get up, would 872 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,400 you be willing to take the sidewalk? 873 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,960 >> A different sidewalk. The back sidewalk 874 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,599 is 10 times more valuable than the front 875 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:48,320 side. 876 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,839 >> But what's the issue with having a 877 00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:52,560 sidewalk? And I don't know if fire would 878 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,079 if that would meet fire requirements 879 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,240 even to have 10 inches of sidewalk. Yes, 880 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:56,880 Jay. 881 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,550 >> There's also two H5. 882 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,720 » Oh, sorry. 883 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,040 >> The coming in off the the main sidewalk 884 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,480 off of Hastings. There are also two HVAC 885 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,640 units that are on town property that 886 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,920 supply Brian's building as well. So that issue still needs to be whether 887 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,240 there's a lease for those units on our 888 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,000 property or they're removed. That that 889 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,440 that's another issue that needs to be 890 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,160 addressed. 891 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,640 >> But if we had the 5ft sidewalk with the 892 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,400 lease and the indemnity, what he does 893 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,680 with his units would be up. 894 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,680 >> He could leave them there and and people 895 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,359 have to walk around them or not, but 896 00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:35,359 because we would lease them 5T out from 897 00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:37,440 the building. Right now the the the 898 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,200 units are on our property outside the 899 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,640 building. So that has to be addressed 900 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,440 one way or another. 901 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,880 >> Can I ask a question? And you're exactly 902 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,040 right, Jake. Um, if we mount them on the 903 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,359 wall 904 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:56,480 because the the top floor over like the property line is real close all it's less than 10 in I'm sure up there. 905 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,280 If we mount them on the wall, 906 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,760 does that have any difference? Because 907 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,960 we say the the back sidewalk would be 10 908 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,040 from the back is is as I think that's 909 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,640 what you're referring to, Tracy. A 910 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,720 sidewalk where the 10 inches are at the 911 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:13,760 back be 912 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,839 many times more valuable than the front. 913 00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:17,520 >> Right. But if you have these a if these 914 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,440 units are still on the town property and 915 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,800 somebody gets injured through them, they 916 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,599 can sue everybody, 917 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,359 >> right? So what if we mount them on the 918 00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:27,599 wall? Again, I'm not a I'm not a I'm not 919 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:28,640 an expert on anything. 920 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,079 >> Yeah. I I think I I think if you if if 921 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:33,599 we were to look at it and do the the 922 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:35,119 sidewalk from the back parking lot to 923 00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,040 the side entrance by just adjusting the 924 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,640 fence a little bit, um I I think we we 925 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,079 would still be in a lease agreement 926 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:43,920 situation that we wouldn't have to have. 927 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,920 >> Yes. I think um provided you know like 928 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,920 we had talked like some kind of blind 929 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,800 around these heater units and abandon 930 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,640 the front sidewalk they could just stay 931 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,960 where they are now and we include where 932 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,119 they're located on the lease for the 933 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,200 back area and leave them where they are 934 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,480 and then put like a 935 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,400 >> So would the cost of the sidewalk be 936 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,680 borne by the project or 937 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,599 >> Yes. Yeah. We we we were planning to 938 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,359 include this the cost of the sidewalk, 939 00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:14,480 the installation. 940 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,920 >> That's why I'm a little buffaloed here. 941 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,200 You're going to have a great sidewalk 942 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,160 that I can access it from either way. Uh 943 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,240 we'll have a look at the rear fence and 944 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,680 see if there's some adjustment we can 945 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,200 make there to make the access from the 946 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,520 rear parking lot better. 947 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,200 >> And um at at that point, those units are 948 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,280 your will be your responsibility that 949 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,040 are sticking out onto the property that 950 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,720 you're leasing from the tenure. Am I 951 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,599 correct in that? Could we could the lease extend all the way along 952 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,680 the whole building then rather than just 953 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,320 to the door? 954 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,160 >> I guess that would be something we'd 955 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:48,640 have to look at. 956 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,040 >> Then we would have wide open access all 957 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,359 the way through. No. [laughter] 958 00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:57,839 >> Well, I mean it it could, but I mean 959 00:39:57,839 --> 00:39:59,440 uh 960 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,640 like either you're going to have access 961 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,880 from the front or access from the back. 962 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,920 Um, now you're looking for access from 963 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,040 the front and the back. 964 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,560 >> As I said, the back is more interest 965 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,880 more. We have virtually other than the 966 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,240 HVACs, we've Shannon has we we lived 967 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,520 without the front for forever. 968 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,560 >> Well, and that's and that's what I'm 969 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,160 saying with the compromise like I mean, 970 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,720 you know, to what what you know has been 971 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:23,680 offered um to do a sidewalk the whole 972 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,440 distance doubles the cost essentially if 973 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,160 not. Well, no, it's but but if we if we 974 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,920 were to do a sidewalk like let's just 975 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,440 say we could manage to get it from the 976 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,000 back the side door and leave the HVAC 977 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,079 where they were but include the HVAC in 978 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:37,920 the lease that they're part of the lease 979 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,760 agreement 980 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,880 and so it's not 981 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,320 >> double I'm going to have to interrupt 982 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,200 here. Okay, sorry. Um we've got to get 983 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,320 moving on. We got a lot of other 984 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,400 business here. So, uh, we have a staff 985 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,000 report that's coming right after this 986 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,640 and then I I think then then staff can 987 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,079 go back and have a look at a few things 988 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,000 that have been mentioned here today and 989 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:56,720 get back to you. 990 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,079 >> That's my Sorry, that's my next 991 00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:59,839 question. Is there an opportunity to 992 00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:02,640 meet with decision makers like this 993 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,440 before we finalize things? Is that a 994 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,560 possibility? 995 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,200 >> Yeah, we we most certainly can't. I'm 996 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,720 not saying that we what we can do or 997 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:11,040 can't do. 998 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,040 >> No, no, I hear you. So I want to point 999 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:21,589 out that's the only difference that 1000 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,599 » but the door is definitely closer to the 1001 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,280 back than it is to the front. Okay. 1002 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,720 >> Okay. Hang on a sec here. 1003 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,400 >> Sorry. And one more last. 1004 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,119 >> Yeah. Quickly. 1005 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,200 >> Yeah. Um I'm not adverse to leasing. All 1006 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,040 right. It's a little bit of a hassle 1007 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,440 with insurance. $600 isn't going to make 1008 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,920 us or break us. I just jack up Shannon's 1009 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,200 rent to cover that. But uh 1010 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,000 >> okay 1011 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,599 >> and I want to thank you for your time. 1012 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,520 >> Thank you. Okay. I'm I'll let you read 1013 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,000 it then. Okay. So we have sort of a bit 1014 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,760 of an amended resolution here. So I'm 1015 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,000 going to let uh Amber read it. 1016 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000 >> So somebody will be in touch with us as 1017 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:56,880 a 1018 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,280 >> Yeah. 1019 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,280 >> Perfect. Thank you very much. 1020 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,359 >> Um okay. of the draft resolution is be 1021 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:03,440 it resolved that the council of the 1022 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,040 corporation of the town of Braftoft has 1023 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,599 hereby received the presentation from 1024 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,160 Brian Lawrence regarding their concerns 1025 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,000 related to the prominade development and 1026 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,800 the proposed walkway access adjacent to 1027 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,000 their property located at 45 Hastings 1028 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,960 Street North and their proposals as 1029 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,000 amended to remediate the walkway access 1030 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480 concerns for information purposes. 1031 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,240 >> Can move her in a second, please. 1032 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,160 Councelor Lawrence, Deputy Mayor, all in 1033 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,040 favor, please. Thank you. 1034 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,760 Thanks. 1035 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,839 You You may want to listen to the second 1036 00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:40,240 one part here. This is sort of a this is 1037 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,319 a staff report on this topic. So, yes. 1038 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:46,319 So, you may want to take just a couple 1039 00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:49,200 minutes here. 1040 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,560 Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. Under 1041 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,640 six item a business, Hastings Street 1042 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,319 North Prominent delegation staff 1043 00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:57,839 comments. The resolution before us says, 1044 00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:59,280 "Be it resolved that the council of the 1045 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,680 corporation of town of Bangkok receive 1046 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,200 the staff comments regarding the 1047 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,040 Hastings Street North Prominadet 1048 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,880 delegation for information purposes." 1049 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,720 Kevin Mover and a second councelor 1050 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,119 Eastman and Councelor McGibbon and Andre 1051 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:14,480 I'll let you go. So this is basically a 1052 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,040 little bit of the background to this 1053 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,920 whole thing etc. And and again we've had 1054 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,280 some more discussion so that doesn't 1055 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,400 affect uh the fact that we'll get 1056 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,760 together again and chat about this. 1057 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,720 Anyway, 1058 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,119 >> I believe before I present my report, we 1059 00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,280 need a mover and seconder for the motion 1060 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,440 that Amber read. 1061 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,200 >> Oh, you did get Okay. 1062 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,440 >> All right. We both missed that note. So, 1063 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,710 thank you. [laughter] 1064 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,680 » All right. My apologies. Uh, thank you, 1065 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,160 Mayor Jenkins. So, this was just um 1066 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,560 staff comments based on the initial 1067 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,280 delegation documents that um Mr. 1068 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,240 Lawrence provided for consideration. 1069 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,880 So, the purpose of the 5- foot wide 1070 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,520 walkway was to recognize that there are 1071 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,240 um HVAC units and access issues to the 1072 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,440 building. Um we didn't want to issue a 1073 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,359 letter that says you have to spend tens 1074 00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:09,680 of thousands of dollars moving your HVAC 1075 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,160 equipment and and changing your exits 1076 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:18,319 and um re realigning your building. We didn't want to do that. So, um, since 1077 00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:20,800 we were constructing anyway, we thought 1078 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,040 this was a a pretty good way to 1079 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,720 basically continue to do what you've 1080 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:26,319 been doing for the last two years with 1081 00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:29,040 that that walkway provided. So, that was 1082 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,599 kind of the rationale. Um, the key need 1083 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:33,599 and driving factor, as Mayor Jenkins 1084 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:36,319 mentioned, is liability. So, when 1085 00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:39,680 there's any kind of incident, accident, 1086 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,440 um, trip, fall, slip on town property, 1087 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,800 unless the town can demonstrate that it 1088 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,160 has, um, released relieved itself of the 1089 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,079 liability and responsibility, we are 1090 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,599 responsible. 1091 00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,319 And um one of the sad things about 1092 00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,960 municipal government is that if we're 1% 1093 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,720 responsible um we are 99% responsible uh 1094 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,119 in a court of law and end up paying 100% 1095 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:08,160 of the costs. So um that is really the 1096 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,680 driving intent of the agreement um is to protect the town from future 1097 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,640 liability uh when the access has no 1098 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,520 value or benefit to taxpayers. So that 1099 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,240 is the the purpose as far as the 1100 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,920 proposals that you just provided. Um we 1101 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,599 have 1102 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,160 um written in I guess to the the one on 1103 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,680 the other side because their access is 1104 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,599 at the back that it would go right to 1105 00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,720 the back. So um we can we can look at 1106 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,640 pushing that fence a couple feet to give 1107 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,200 you enough room uh to bring that access 1108 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,560 all the way through. Um, but I think it 1109 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,720 would be difficult for both of us to 1110 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,520 officially um identify the exact 1111 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,640 pinpoints where those HVAC units are uh 1112 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,280 and and where they might pose a hazard 1113 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,040 for an insurance document. I think that 1114 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,960 would be a headache for both of us 1115 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,870 honestly. 1116 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,480 » But when she's done a report, okay, 1117 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,800 >> um but there is absolutely some room to 1118 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,240 discuss there. So, um, we have been 1119 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:13,599 working with the developer. We've been 1120 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,520 getting some costing and some design 1121 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,640 things. Um, as you noted, this is all 1122 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,119 moving pretty quickly. So, until council 1123 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,680 provided us with a preliminary approval 1124 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,240 of a design, um, we couldn't engage with 1125 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:27,760 other people about what council was 1126 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,280 going to do because council hadn't even 1127 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,760 seen the proposal. So, there is an order 1128 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,240 of operations that needs to occur when 1129 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,119 we're doing developments as well. So, 1130 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,520 um, that's that's basically where we 1131 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,280 are. As soon as that decision was made, 1132 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,359 the draft lease was floated through 1133 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,839 insurance and then, uh, Jake provided 1134 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:48,720 that to the, uh, affected properties. 1135 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,520 So, um, our proposal at this point would 1136 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,520 be to continue with some kind of lease 1137 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,760 arrangement to protect both you and the 1138 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,079 town, uh, from the liabilities that 1139 00:46:58,079 --> 00:46:59,680 could arise and ensure that you can 1140 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,880 continue to use your property, um, the 1141 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,880 way that you have chosen to use it for 1142 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,040 the last couple years, uh, during the 1143 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,599 construction period. 1144 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,599 >> Thank you. So, one quick comment, do you 1145 00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:12,079 guys? 1146 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,640 >> Sorry. I was under the impression that 1147 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,480 HVAC had to go from there either up and 1148 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,040 we did have one mounted on the wall. 1149 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,880 >> I think the bottom line is with the five 1150 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,359 foot lease, it's on you what you want to 1151 00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:26,400 do. 1152 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,359 >> We didn't know that 1153 00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:28,960 >> what you want to do. 1154 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:29,440 >> Yeah, 1155 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,960 >> that makes a big difference because 1156 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,520 >> Yeah, because then the liability is on 1157 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,800 you, not us. 1158 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,680 >> And the need to cover them for aesthetic 1159 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,880 reasons. That's 1160 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,829 >> Yeah. Okay. 1161 00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:45,599 Thank you very much. 1162 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:49,520 >> Okay. Um 1163 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,560 so we have the um general manager's 1164 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,680 report. Is there any comments or 1165 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,800 questions on that from members of 1166 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,400 council? 1167 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,400 Seeing none, all in favor, please. Thank 1168 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,079 you very much. Okay. 1169 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,040 Item B, Municipal Waste Association 1170 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,920 annual workshop summary report. 1171 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,960 Uh I'll put the uh well I I'll just give 1172 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,640 you the floor. We'll do the motion at 1173 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,640 the end. So yes, please give us all the 1174 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,960 background etc. So and your push your 1175 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,720 button. Thank you. 1176 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,359 >> Afternoon council and Mayor Jenkins. Um 1177 00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:23,599 I put together a report about the 1178 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,359 municipal waste association annual 1179 00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:28,160 workshop that uh uh Christine and I 1180 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,960 attended in uh May. I've kind of 1181 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,319 summarized it was a really good 1182 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:35,280 workshop. Um from May 26th till the 1183 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,119 28th, the waste department supervisor 1184 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,920 and myself attended the 2026 Municipal 1185 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,480 Waste Association annual workshop. This 1186 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,480 workshop focused on numerous areas of 1187 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,480 waste management included a trade show 1188 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,640 featuring the newest technologies in 1189 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,880 this sector. Over the course of two and 1190 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,400 a half days, the following workshops 1191 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,800 were attended which I listed uh all the 1192 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,319 workshops that we attended. Um while 1193 00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,400 there are many topics to discuss there 1194 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,160 were four common subjects that were 1195 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,200 brought up in almost every presentation. 1196 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,839 Um these four subjects are also included 1197 00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:10,640 in our optimization report. Uh the first 1198 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,200 one was waste uh waste diversion. The 1199 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,800 importance of waste diversion was 1200 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,359 emphasized throughout the workshop. Uh 1201 00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:19,760 without focus on maximizing waste 1202 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,520 diversion the state of landfill capacity 1203 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,319 across a province will be depleted in 1204 00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:26,960 record time. construction, renovation, 1205 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,480 and demolition waste is one of the 1206 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,119 biggest contributors to the depletion of 1207 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,680 landfill capacity. 1208 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,119 Surprising number is the average 1209 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,359 landfill in Ontario only has 8 years of 1210 00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:38,720 capacity left. If you took all the 1211 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:39,920 landfills, that's what's left for 1212 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,200 capacity. Um, private landfills account 1213 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,359 for 51% of the uh remaining landfills uh 1214 00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:50,079 capacity in the province is private. 1215 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:54,400 um Ontario waste, 73% of Ontario waste 1216 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,119 is ending up in our landfills and 27 is 1217 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,480 being uh exported to the US. If the US 1218 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,280 were to close the doors to that 27% 1219 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,599 uh the fellow said it would be by 2035 1220 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:06,800 we'd be completely out of room in 1221 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,119 Ontario for capacity. So it is important 1222 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:14,480 that we are still taking um diverting to the US. uh with the with the 1223 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,160 construction renovation and demolition 1224 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,040 waste um only 20% of it is being 1225 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,599 recycled recycled and 80% is ending up 1226 00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:24,559 in landfills. With proper diversion 75% 1227 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,960 of that waste can be diverted. So it's a 1228 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,720 huge killer of landfills is the waste 1229 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,040 construction. Uh another big point that 1230 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,520 they brought uh up was it was stressed 1231 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,119 that the communication with stakeholders 1232 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,119 is an important part of operating an 1233 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,520 efficient successful landfill operation. 1234 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,040 The experience shared confirmed that 1235 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,800 clear communication resulted in cost 1236 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,800 savings for municipalities 1237 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,559 um because the time spent dealing with 1238 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:48,559 the complaints and inquiries was greatly 1239 00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,720 reduced. The city of Kingston's 1240 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,559 presentation on implementing automated 1241 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:54,079 curbside 1242 00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,559 um covered the communication mistakes 1243 00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,400 during phase one, how they were 1244 00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,920 corrected in phase two, and how much 1245 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:01,920 time was saved. They no longer had high 1246 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,079 volumes and inquiries and complaints. It 1247 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:06,160 was it was a it was a huge factor. So 1248 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,559 communication was was um was stressed. 1249 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:13,200 One of the one of the um points they 1250 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,559 brought up was using a digitalized 1251 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:18,079 platforms like apps or a website. But um 1252 00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,000 they showed with the apps that you know 1253 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,880 if if we offered an app with people that 1254 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,319 you know our garbage truck broke down 1255 00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:25,520 rather than having to try to get the 1256 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,880 radio to to advertise it or you know put 1257 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,119 it on Facebook Facebook plus um people 1258 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:32,400 could simply download the app and we 1259 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,000 could instantly update. they would get a 1260 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,839 notification garbage trucks broke down, 1261 00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:37,040 you won't be getting picked up today. 1262 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,839 They'll know right away. Um, it's also 1263 00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:41,359 good for reminding about hazardous place 1264 00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:43,599 stays. Um, the the app is just a good 1265 00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:45,200 communication tool. There's a there's a 1266 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,599 few companies out there that are secure. 1267 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:52,559 Um, so so that was one way. Um, 1268 00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,200 it's um, good communication increases 1269 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,920 call volumes by 40 to 50%. And one thing 1270 00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,280 they stress is communication should be 1271 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,240 short, clear, and concise, not long. and and with with longer messages it's 1272 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:08,079 better to spoon feed people. So that was interesting. Um a lot of a lot 1273 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:11,119 of the pres presentations 1274 00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:13,520 uh reviewed the importance of scales. Uh 1275 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,680 the health and safety of workers is one 1276 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,520 strong reason for installing the scale 1277 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,680 system. The other reason uh for the 1278 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,880 importance of the scales is knowing 1279 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,720 exactly how much waste is being received 1280 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:24,960 every year. This allows for much more 1281 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,839 accurate volume calculations and ensures 1282 00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:30,000 that future plans are made with accurate 1283 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,000 information to maximize cost savings and 1284 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,520 efficiencies. It uh they were we were we 1285 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,000 were uh the one landfill uh once they 1286 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,960 installed skull or uh scales uh they 1287 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,119 reduced the negative staff stakeholder 1288 00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:45,440 interactions by 95%. 1289 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,920 Um accurate information for future 1290 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,480 planning and it ensures fair tipping for 1291 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,960 both stakeholders and the municipality. 1292 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,240 Everybody knows exactly what they're 1293 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:57,359 paying for. It's not a judgment call. Um 1294 00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:58,880 it goes both ways. You might lose, you 1295 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,800 might win on some, but at the end of the 1296 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,760 day, it it gives an accurate um costing 1297 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,480 to the to our rateayers. Um and the 1298 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,200 other one surprisingly was waste audits. 1299 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,280 Uh many presidents spoke about the waste 1300 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,920 audits audits and the changes they were 1301 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,760 able to make to create more efficient 1302 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,040 diversion programs. By knowing exactly 1303 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,400 what is entering the landfill, 1304 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,920 municipalities can customize their 1305 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,319 diversion programs to ensure maximum 1306 00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:26,559 capacity is achieved. Most 1307 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:28,160 municipalities are shocked after 1308 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,079 completing one of these programs at how 1309 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,000 much waste is entering the landfill that 1310 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,680 can be diverted. Um the importance of 1311 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,760 this is every area has different 1312 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,079 demographics. Therefore, what goes in 1313 00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,119 the landfills is unique to each area. 1314 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:44,640 Diversion methods used in urban 1315 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,800 landfills may not be the most efficient 1316 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,079 for rural landfills. Um, knowing the 1317 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,480 exactly where is going going or exactly 1318 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,160 what is going into your landfill and 1319 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,559 adjusting diversion programs can can 1320 00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,480 significantly extend the life of the 1321 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,720 dump. Overall, this was a very 1322 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,960 informative and educational workshop to 1323 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,960 attend. The networking and shared 1324 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,160 experience from other municipalities 1325 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,760 will go a long way to ensure that we can 1326 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,000 manage one of our most important assets 1327 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,720 in the most effect efficient manner. to 1328 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:16,319 ensure maximum longevity is achieved. Um 1329 00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:18,319 the financial implications, we'll see 1330 00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:19,359 that in the next report with the 1331 00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:22,559 optimization and uh that's that's 1332 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,160 basically summary of what we learned 1333 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,520 over the course of three and a half days 1334 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,599 at the conference. So I'd be happy to 1335 00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:31,040 answer any questions. Um, so I just from 1336 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,480 reading some of the other stuff in your 1337 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,880 report here, was there a lot of 1338 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,800 discussion on like what it crystal 1339 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,200 balling down the road or new things that 1340 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,440 might be coming or diversion things that 1341 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,440 might be happening or 1342 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,000 >> is are we still sort of walking step by 1343 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,400 step? It it was it were talking about 1344 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,359 like the auditing was a big part on how 1345 00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:53,599 to do it like G did they do audits all 1346 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,160 the time now um because seasons change 1347 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,040 and that and um what they found was and 1348 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,079 that's where a lot of the construction 1349 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,559 debris and and what's being uh put in 1350 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,559 landfills and construction debris is is 1351 00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,240 just filling up. So they've really 1352 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:10,480 intensified their their um um separation 1353 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,319 requirements for the construction debris 1354 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:15,200 and the recycling right up to 75% now. 1355 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,440 It's something they um but as as far as 1356 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,359 like new stuff like brand brand new 1357 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:20,720 stuff, it wasn't really covered. It was 1358 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,520 more sharing experiences of problems we 1359 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,319 face today. 1360 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:29,280 Um other questions or comments from 1361 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,760 members of council? 1362 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,119 Seeing [snorts] none, thank you. I'll 1363 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,680 read the motion. Be it resolved that the 1364 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,200 council of the corporation of town of 1365 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,920 bankrop is hereby recommend that council 1366 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,160 receive and file the municipal waste 1367 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,640 association annual workshop report as 1368 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,839 presented by the manager of 1369 00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:47,760 infrastructure and capital projects for 1370 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,440 information purposes only. Could I have 1371 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,400 a mover in a second? Deputy mayor and 1372 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,880 councelor Miles. All in favor please. 1373 00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:00,950 >> Yes. I'm not going anywhere. 1374 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,240 » I kind of just waiting for the motion to 1375 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,240 be on the floor. Um, was anybody else 1376 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:05,680 from here with you? 1377 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,400 >> Yes. 1378 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:07,280 >> Who? 1379 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,200 >> Uh, Christine was with me. Our operation 1380 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,640 supervisor was 1381 00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,720 >> Okay. 1382 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:13,040 >> Oh, 1383 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,160 >> none of our counselors were there. 1384 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:14,559 Nobody 1385 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:16,960 >> before. Were you Could you just second 1386 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,400 that to put it on the floor? 1387 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,359 >> I'll second that. 1388 00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:22,880 >> Yes. No. Yes. Now, go ahead. 1389 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,480 >> I just wondering if I I'm not sure what 1390 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,760 you attended. I just wonder if any of 1391 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,119 our counselors were there. 1392 00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:28,799 >> No. No counselors attended this one. 1393 00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:29,760 >> Thank you, Jake. 1394 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,520 >> Thank you. 1395 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,160 All in favor? 1396 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,440 Glad I remembered that. But okay. 1397 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,599 Um, next we have item C is the landfill 1398 00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:43,200 optimation study. We also we have a 1399 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,200 staff report with this. So, I will uh 1400 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,880 let Andre present that and we'll put the 1401 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,589 motion on the floor at the end. 1402 00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,680 » Thank you, Mayor Jenkins. Uh, what I 1403 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,000 will do is I'll go through my report. 1404 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000 It's it's kind of section by section as 1405 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,319 each different topic comes up. So maybe 1406 00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:02,240 we'll review a section and then if 1407 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:03,839 there's questions related to that 1408 00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:06,240 section, we can address those then move 1409 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:08,240 on to the next section. Of course, we 1410 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:09,920 can come back to things at the end as 1411 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,920 well, but it it may flow better if we 1412 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,680 kind of deal with things in little 1413 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,280 snippets. So at the May 23rd, 2026 1414 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,520 council meeting, uh we all received a 1415 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,680 presentation from John Watson, our 1416 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,920 environmental engineer of record for the 1417 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,480 waste site from Cambian, Inc. uh to 1418 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,040 review his optimization proposals for 1419 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,920 the Dungan and waste site. Uh the intent 1420 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,839 of the study was to review the current 1421 00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:36,000 operations, policies, processes and 1422 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,240 procedures at the Dungan landfill and 1423 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,079 provide recommendations for council's 1424 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,799 consideration which would address among 1425 00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:44,640 other things potential health and safety 1426 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,760 risk to SA staff and visitors. Provide 1427 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,720 modernized waste site operations through 1428 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,200 improved layout and traffic flow to 1429 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,760 identify and capitalize on cost-saving 1430 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,480 operational efficiency opportunities. 1431 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,720 and to explore opportunities for revenue 1432 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,359 generation from site operations now and 1433 00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:06,079 into the future to reduce the impact of 1434 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,319 escalating costs on taxpayers 1435 00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:18,789 year-over-year. 1436 00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:20,880 The report was also accompanied by a 1437 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,720 staff report that contained additional 1438 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,280 supplemental information for council to 1439 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,599 consider during that meeting. At the 1440 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:29,119 meeting, a number of questions were 1441 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,200 posed which I recorded and have 1442 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,920 attempted to provide explanations for in 1443 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,079 this very long, I apologize, staff 1444 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:38,559 report. Um, there was also an email that 1445 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:40,720 was sent to all of council 2 days after 1446 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,200 the meeting asking them to ensure that 1447 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,119 any questions they had were submitted 1448 00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:48,640 for consideration by June 10th. I did 1449 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,559 receive a number of questions from Mayor 1450 00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,400 Jenkins, some of which I understand you 1451 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,200 sent to him uh on your behalf. So all of 1452 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,040 those questions have also been answered 1453 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,599 in the report. Uh otherwise I did not 1454 00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:01,440 receive any direct questions from other 1455 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,030 members of council. 1456 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,559 So the first part I want to address is 1457 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,040 the ongoing operational deficit for the 1458 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,280 waist site. As described in the initial 1459 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,960 report, the need to undertake the study 1460 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,880 was supported by the ongoing and 1461 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,599 increasing operating deficits associated 1462 00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:20,160 with landfill activities. 1463 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,119 So um I've provided a graph in the staff 1464 00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,680 report showing that uh each year our 1465 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,240 expenses rise significantly which is 1466 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,720 expected. Uh cost of living increases, 1467 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,880 cost to maintain equipment increases, 1468 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,079 cost of hydro increases, cost to procure 1469 00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,319 services associated with the waste site 1470 00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:40,720 increase. So our costs are going to go 1471 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,119 up year after year unless we can find 1472 00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:45,839 ways to reduce them. and the majority of 1473 00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:47,839 costs associated with the waste site are 1474 00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:49,599 completely and totally out of our 1475 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,079 control. 1476 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:55,359 Nonetheless, um as a result of 1477 00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:58,640 decreasing revenues uh of significant 1478 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,280 amounts between in 2024, we received 1479 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,839 $210,000 to support our recycling 1480 01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:07,359 initiatives. In 2026, we received zero. 1481 01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:10,480 So, in three calendar years, we lost 1482 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,960 over $200,000 of revenue, which helped 1483 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,920 support our landfill costs as a result 1484 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,680 of the province taking responsibility 1485 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,720 for recycling. For this year, we were 1486 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,760 able to capture that loss by eliminating 1487 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,480 the recycling truck and eliminating the 1488 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,480 recycling truck driver, reducing our 1489 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,240 staff complement by one permanent 1490 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,440 full-time person. That person is gone. 1491 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,599 That truck is gone. So those savings are 1492 01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:37,599 not going to be recreated and and 1493 01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,599 regenerated year-over-year. So the 1494 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:41,680 baseline for this year is the baseline 1495 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,000 moving into future years where all of 1496 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,880 those cost escalations from additional 1497 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,880 contract costs, additional gas costs, 1498 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,119 higher hydro costs, higher disposal 1499 01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,359 costs that we have to pay all come into 1500 01:00:53,359 --> 01:00:56,470 play. 1501 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,160 I also want to clarify the difference 1502 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,480 between an operational deficit and an 1503 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,640 unfunded deficit because there was some 1504 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,040 concern that we weren't properly funding 1505 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,680 our wayside operations. Our waste site 1506 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,640 operations are fully funded through 1507 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,040 earned revenues and through taxation. So 1508 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,280 there is no unfunded 1509 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,440 negative balance in our waste department 1510 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,000 at the end of the year. 1511 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,559 An anticipated and funded operational 1512 01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,880 deficit is funded through taxation. 1513 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,880 That's why you pay taxes is to pay for 1514 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,040 the things that we don't get money to 1515 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,040 pay for otherwise. So the waist site 1516 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,240 doesn't work any different than our 1517 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,559 roads department or any of our other 1518 01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:36,400 departments. What we know we aren't 1519 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,160 going to get for revenue, we generate 1520 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,319 through taxation. 1521 01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:42,799 In contrast, an unfunded deficit means 1522 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:44,559 we spent way more money than we thought 1523 01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:46,720 we would and now we owe ourselves. We're 1524 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,960 short 250,000 and where are we going to 1525 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,920 get it? So, we do not have an unfunded 1526 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,559 deficit. We just have an operational 1527 01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,559 deficit which we pay for through 1528 01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:00,400 taxation. And for clarity, when we 1529 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,960 budget taxes to pay for operations and 1530 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,040 we don't spend all of that money, that's 1531 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,680 why we generate a surplus. So, we did 1532 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,359 have a surplus in our waste department 1533 01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:11,040 last year because our operational 1534 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,440 expenses were not as high as we thought 1535 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,440 they would be. So that excess tax 1536 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,160 revenue goes into the reserves to be 1537 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,480 used for future projects to offset 1538 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,720 future costs. 1539 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,640 Any questions about that? Perfect. 1540 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,119 There was a uh conversation at the May 1541 01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,040 26th meeting about the cost per 1542 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,960 household for our residents compared to 1543 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,280 the cost per household for non-resident 1544 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,920 users uh currently one neighboring 1545 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,950 township. 1546 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,280 While while it's true that per capita 1547 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,760 the neighboring township pays much less 1548 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,640 for waste services than our residents 1549 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,280 do, that's because our residents get a 1550 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,440 lot more waste services that that those 1551 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,160 neighboring municipalities don't have. 1552 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,799 Um h household hazardous waste days, for 1553 01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:00,720 example, come with a price tag of 1554 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,400 between 25 and $30,000 for one day. Uh 1555 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,400 and we host we used to host three a day. 1556 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,559 We three a year. We've reduced it to two 1557 01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:11,359 a year to try to manage that expense. 1558 01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,520 Curbside garbage collection is estimated 1559 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,720 to cost between 150 and $200,000 per 1560 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,359 year. Our resident neighbors don't pay 1561 01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,039 for that service. They don't get it. 1562 01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:24,400 It's not part of their uh their costs. 1563 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,319 associated with bulky waste. We 1564 01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:28,079 don't take bulky waste or construction 1565 01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,160 and demolition debris from our 1566 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,640 neighboring municipality at this point. 1567 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,119 So, we have to pay to dispose of that. 1568 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,520 They don't have those costs. So the the 1569 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,599 cost discrepancies between neighboring 1570 01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,920 users and our users are because our 1571 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,799 users are receiving many many more quite 1572 01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:47,599 expensive services for their waste 1573 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:51,670 disposal. 1574 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:52,960 And there's a whole list of them. 1575 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,799 There's there's several more in there as 1576 01:03:54,799 --> 01:03:56,319 well. 1577 01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:58,240 We recover some of our costs through 1578 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,359 user fees, tipping fees, bag tag fees. 1579 01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:03,599 Um, but many of the things that we do 1580 01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,079 provide, we don't have a cost recovery 1581 01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,160 model for, such as those household 1582 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,720 hazardous waste days or curbside garbage 1583 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,640 collection 1584 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,799 or the expenses that we do charge for 1585 01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:16,960 those, like our $150 tag, are not 1586 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,760 sufficient to fund the full program just 1587 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,440 to help offset the costs of those 1588 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,280 programs. 1589 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,039 While it's recognized that the contract 1590 01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:27,839 that we entered into with our neighbor 1591 01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:31,680 in 2021 is not reflective of current day 1592 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,319 operational costs that would be 1593 01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:36,480 reflected in a newer agreement with with 1594 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,559 a new partner should we choose to embark 1595 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:41,200 on that at some point. They were the 1596 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,319 fair market costs at the time. So very 1597 01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:45,839 similar to many other things in the 1598 01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:47,839 municipal world, COVID changed the face 1599 01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:50,480 of waste management in Ontario. Waste 1600 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,559 sites filled up quicker. government has 1601 01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,119 since enacted various pieces or proposed 1602 01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,079 to enact various pieces of legislation 1603 01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,480 uh to free up landfill capacities 1604 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,839 because landfills filled up much faster 1605 01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:06,960 uh than we expected. So the agreement 1606 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,359 that we have right now was reflective of 1607 01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:11,440 market costs and expectations at the 1608 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,359 time, but those are not reflective of 1609 01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:15,119 today's costs. And when that agreement 1610 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,359 comes up for renewal this year, we will 1611 01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:19,200 be looking at what current market costs 1612 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,039 are and have already put that 1613 01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:23,599 municipality on notice that they should 1614 01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:25,599 expect increases to their contract 1615 01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:28,319 costs. 1616 01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:29,920 >> If you're going to uh your mic, if 1617 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,359 you're your mic, please. 1618 01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:31,839 >> Yes. 1619 01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:34,240 >> When is the Boston contract expire? 1620 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:35,200 >> Year end. 1621 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:41,829 Okay. Thank you. 1622 01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:43,440 » All right. Any other questions about 1623 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,359 that? 1624 01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:48,319 Okay. Way scales. So again, we had a a 1625 01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:50,240 very lengthy discussion about way 1626 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,400 scales. And although our tipping fee 1627 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,960 schedule is very descriptive, very 1628 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,559 comprehensive, 1629 01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,680 it's multiple pages long, uh, I think it 1630 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,240 probably covers every possible scenario 1631 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,839 that someone could come to the waist 1632 01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:06,400 site with. There is still a lot of room 1633 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,480 and requirement for our attendants to 1634 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,039 make a judgment call. So, we have a fee 1635 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:13,839 for a 40 yard bin, for example, but that 1636 01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:16,880 40 yard bin may come in and only be 2/3 1637 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,119 full. And the person hauling it says, "I 1638 01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:20,640 don't want to pay for a 40-yard bin 1639 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,000 because I only have 20 yards of 1640 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,559 garbage." We create a conflict situation 1641 01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,720 for our staff and for that resident 1642 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,559 because we force our attendants to make 1643 01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:31,359 a decision on the spot about what's fair 1644 01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:34,400 in that situation. The installation of 1645 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,240 waste scales will completely eliminate 1646 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,720 those conflicts. you have 1 kilogram of 1647 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,480 waste, you will pay for 1 kilogram of 1648 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,640 waste. If you have 1,00 kilograms of 1649 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,960 waste, you will pay for 1,00 kilograms 1650 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,760 of waste. And it will be a specific 1651 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,119 calculation. How that figures into um 1652 01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:53,039 you know what someone what a resident is 1653 01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,440 allowed to bring or not, like a bag of 1654 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,839 garbage or two bags will be determined 1655 01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:00,480 in the final tipping fees that have to 1656 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,440 be determined uh to support the scales. 1657 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,599 But everyone will know exactly what 1658 01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:07,280 they're bringing and exactly what the 1659 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,559 expectation will be before they leave. 1660 01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,280 >> Is the plan to charge for waste uh yard 1661 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:15,920 waste? It'll be it'll be in a vehicle 1662 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,400 going down over the scales. Right now 1663 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:19,520 there's no charge. 1664 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,760 >> That is still the plan moving forward. 1665 01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,160 So, there'll have to be a system where 1666 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,799 if you I'm making this up, that if you 1667 01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:29,520 went to the burn pile, uh you might get 1668 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,440 a ticket that allowed you on the way out 1669 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,480 to, you know, to go in and get out free. 1670 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,160 So, it'll be a system developed to 1671 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:37,839 accommodate the things that are free now 1672 01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:38,960 to be to continue. 1673 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,920 >> So, we're not going to increase 1674 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,480 the chargeable items 1675 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,559 >> at the present time. No, 1676 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,960 >> we we haven't looked at tipping, but 1677 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,400 >> the vehicle going in that's got scales 1678 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:51,039 that 1679 01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:51,839 >> that would be this. 1680 01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:54,000 >> We we'll have the same issue with scrap 1681 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,240 metal. Um what we'll know is how much 1682 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,160 scrap metal is coming in, but we we 1683 01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:58,400 would 1684 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,160 >> they'll have to be given a ticket to get 1685 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,280 out at no charge. 1686 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,720 >> The trouble is it's usually going to be 1687 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,160 a mixed load. So, it's going to be quite 1688 01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,440 a nightmare. 1689 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,359 >> Yeah. And that's a problem that we run 1690 01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:08,480 into now even with some of the 1691 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,000 commercial operators is bringing mixed 1692 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,839 loads. So, uh then we have to charge 1693 01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:14,240 them for sorting. So there'll be an 1694 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,120 education process uh required and people 1695 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:18,880 it'll have to maybe even within your 1696 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,640 trailer to separate it out. 1697 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,040 >> So I Yeah, there's obviously details to 1698 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,520 be 1699 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,199 >> Oh. Yeah, we just as long as we don't 1700 01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:26,560 have to put bows on it. That's all. 1701 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,000 >> Yeah, 1702 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,430 >> you can. 1703 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:32,960 » Yeah, I was just I was going to say, 1704 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,199 yeah, there's no plan to change our 1705 01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:36,960 tipping fees and what we charge for. 1706 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,759 It's just a a system to allow us to be 1707 01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:42,319 more accurate of, you know, you actually 1708 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,000 are paying for what you're bringing in 1709 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,719 rather than a judgment call. It's it's 1710 01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:48,960 not about changing the costing that 1711 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,400 we're doing on what we're taking in now. 1712 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:59,590 We wouldn't charge for tires or steel or brush as well. Like that's not the intent of the scales. 1713 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,799 » Yes, Council Lawrence. uh in other 1714 01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:05,839 municipalities that have moved to this, 1715 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:08,719 does this mean an increase in waste 1716 01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:12,080 coming to the facility or essentially a 1717 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,080 net decrease or is there any way of 1718 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,120 knowing? 1719 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,040 >> Well, there there isn't really a way of 1720 01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,279 knowing that um because we don't know 1721 01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,520 exactly how much is coming in now. We 1722 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,560 use estimates based on an average 40 1723 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,759 yard bin contains this much waste and 1724 01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:29,759 that's how we calculate volumes of what 1725 01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:32,799 are coming in right now. So um it's 1726 01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:34,799 possible that the amount of waste could 1727 01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:37,120 decrease but still be exactly the same 1728 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,040 as it is right now because right now we 1729 01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,880 say it's 40 metric tons and it's 1730 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,319 actually only 36.8 metric tons. Um it 1731 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:45,839 could go the other way too. We could be 1732 01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:48,319 saying that bin weighs 40 tons and it 1733 01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,679 actually weighs 43 tons. Um, so it it'll 1734 01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:53,759 probably balance out pretty much in the 1735 01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:56,239 end, but we'll have an exact number to 1736 01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,239 know what's going in instead of 1737 01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:03,750 estimates based on average volumes. 1738 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,159 The report also contemplated a two-scale 1739 01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,719 system. uh staff are recommending that 1740 01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:12,000 we implement a single scale system but 1741 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,239 build it in such a way provide the power 1742 01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:19,199 and the infrastructure for it so that if we determined in the future a second 1743 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:21,520 scale was required we could bring that 1744 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,239 back to council for consideration. At 1745 01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:26,080 this time we don't feel there's enough 1746 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,640 traffic in volume at our waist site to 1747 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,679 warrant a two scale like a dedicated in 1748 01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:33,520 andout. We think we can manage traffic 1749 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,640 with a single scale. Um the report also 1750 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,520 contemplated the construction of a full 1751 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,440 fully built fully equipped scale house 1752 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:43,679 which we don't think is required either 1753 01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:46,800 in further discussion. Um we may be able 1754 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,040 to what our preference is and what's 1755 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,640 reflected in the report is to look at a 1756 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,199 fully automated system first. Uh similar 1757 01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:54,560 to what you would have when you go to a 1758 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,480 parking lot at a hospital. You know you get your ticket when you go in, it 1759 01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,400 would give you your weighin amount. You 1760 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:01,920 stick it in the machine when you leave. 1761 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,600 It tells you what your way out amount 1762 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,719 is. And if you only had brush and tires, 1763 01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:08,640 the attendant gave you a get out free 1764 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,560 parking card like they sometimes do at 1765 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,640 the office when you know your machine's 1766 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,719 taking their money or or whatever. So 1767 01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:18,640 >> booth, 1768 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,199 >> no, the booth will be automated. 1769 01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:24,560 >> Automated charge. 1770 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,159 >> When you go to the location, 1771 01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:27,760 >> you would still the the attendant would 1772 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,600 still be down at the the house at the 1773 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,040 bottom to tell you where to put your 1774 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,719 brush and where to put your recycling. 1775 01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:34,400 So, you're going to weigh in and it'll 1776 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:35,760 give you the total weight for your 1777 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,640 vehicle when you weigh in. On your way 1778 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,199 out, it'll give you the tear weight of 1779 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,440 your vehicle. But if you only had stuff 1780 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:45,120 that there was no charge for, the 1781 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,400 attendant would have given you a ticket 1782 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:47,920 when he saw you at the bottom that you 1783 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,760 feed in instead of putting your credit 1784 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,600 card in or your debit card in or or 1785 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,560 paying for your your waist. 1786 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,520 >> Same as we do now. if you have a mixed 1787 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:02,790 logo like 1788 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,040 » so if an automated system wouldn't work 1789 01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,120 or would be cost prohibitive because 1790 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,120 that is a potential that we need to 1791 01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,760 flush out then we would be looking 1792 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,159 probably more at a construction trailer 1793 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:18,719 as an interim um uh scale house as 1794 01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:21,600 opposed to a fully built with water heat 1795 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,199 hydro service. I mean, we'd still have 1796 01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:25,360 hydro and heat, of course, but rather 1797 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,199 than having a fully built, fully 1798 01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:29,360 constructed building, we would have a 1799 01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,120 small construction trailer that would 1800 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,679 solely function as the take your ticket, 1801 01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:35,600 leave your ticket, admin piece of 1802 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,320 things, remembering that in the report 1803 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,719 it was noted that on quiet days there 1804 01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,880 are less than 20 vehicles a day 1805 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,840 accessing that site. So, um, having the 1806 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,239 attendant work with those folks, uh, who 1807 01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:49,840 are the ones that typically have those 1808 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,640 mixed loads or those bigger volumes, um, 1809 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,480 is not as ownorous as it may seem like 1810 01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:58,880 it might be. And then if for some reason 1811 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,880 there is absolutely no reason we 1812 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,120 couldn't scale back the scale house, the worst case would be a full built 1813 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,960 scale house. But that is not our 1814 01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,070 intention. 1815 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,480 » Yeah. Most way scales do not have a 1816 01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:14,480 fully built house. It's always a 1817 01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:18,000 trailer. And um now with this automated 1818 01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,080 system, if that doesn't work and we have 1819 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,880 to go the other route, are we looking at 1820 01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,640 more staff members or are we able to 1821 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,920 manage this as we are with with the two 1822 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,000 full-time staff that are at the site? We 1823 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,440 believe it's quite manageable. They're 1824 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:33,520 already looking at every building or 1825 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,760 every load and every trailer and 1826 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,679 checking people in on the tablet to make 1827 01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:39,199 sure they're town residents and telling 1828 01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:41,199 them where to go. So instead of doing 1829 01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:42,400 that at the bottom of the hill, one of 1830 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:43,600 them would do it at the top of the hill. 1831 01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:44,400 It 1832 01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,320 >> we could do that with existing staff. 1833 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,960 >> Perfect. 1834 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,960 >> And then I also provided a bit of a site 1835 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,239 sketch about um where staff and and the 1836 01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,560 consultants have contemplated uh putting 1837 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,320 that scale house and it would kind of be 1838 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,320 at you know as you enter the waist site 1839 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:01,760 kind of at the top of the hill on that 1840 01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,760 bit of a plateau. So there's lots of 1841 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,440 room once you're on the site to move 1842 01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:08,800 around. It wouldn't impede drive aisles. 1843 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,960 Um there there was conversation about 1844 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,719 putting it right down at the existing 1845 01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:14,320 garage building, but then somebody's got 1846 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:15,920 to figure out how to turn around and 1847 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,400 come back around and and we saw some 1848 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,239 challenges with traffic management by 1849 01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:22,719 having it right down on the site. But if 1850 01:14:22,719 --> 01:14:24,239 we have it at the top, it eliminates 1851 01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:26,800 that bottleneck and that gooseseneck uh 1852 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,280 and keeps those open drive paths so 1853 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,880 people can move around to the different 1854 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,960 spots of the tipping face where they 1855 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,719 need to be. And trucks would appreciate 1856 01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:36,560 that. So I think up above is definitely 1857 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,880 the best way to go for sure. 1858 01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,719 Um on this because we're there, I've 1859 01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:43,120 also noted the proposed new location of 1860 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:47,360 the burn pile, um which is up to the top 1861 01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,960 in the yellow boxes. 1862 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,880 So folks would be able to drive straight 1863 01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,120 down there from the current existing 1864 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,960 pathways um to to get rid of brush on 1865 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,800 days that were not burning without 1866 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,560 having to drive across the tipping face 1867 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,120 and risk getting nails and whatever else 1868 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,600 in their tires. On days that we are 1869 01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,920 burning, the second yellow bubble to the 1870 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:17,520 left would be the location of a bin or drop spot. Um, so if we were burning 1871 01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,800 a controlled uh allowable burn, people 1872 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,400 would not be able to put their brush in 1873 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:23,920 that burn area. They would leave it 1874 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,840 further up. And once the fire was 1875 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,679 extinguished and the ashes were all 1876 01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:30,400 cool, staff would move that burnable 1877 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,480 debris down to the pile uh to be 1878 01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:34,159 disposed of once there was enough 1879 01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:35,920 accumulation for the next controlled 1880 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,000 burn. 1881 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,679 That addresses the health and safety 1882 01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:43,199 issue of exposing our our visitors and 1883 01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:46,320 staff to um potential smoke if the wind 1884 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,040 is blowing the wrong way on one of those 1885 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,480 um controlled burn days. 1886 01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,480 >> Question about the burns. Do we post 1887 01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:56,560 when we're burning so that the public do 1888 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,239 know that we are burning on a certain 1889 01:15:58,239 --> 01:15:58,960 day? 1890 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,640 >> We don't know when we can post. The 1891 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,400 weather conditions have to be right. It 1892 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,320 has to be damp. There can't be any wind. 1893 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:05,920 The wind can only come from a certain 1894 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,280 direction. And 1895 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,280 >> I mean a minute from now the weather can 1896 01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,600 change. Sometimes we light a fire put it 1897 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,120 out because the wind the weather changed 1898 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:14,719 and we weren't expecting it. So 1899 01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:16,560 >> that's perfect. Um, we did talk about 1900 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,120 having designated burn days and staff 1901 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,920 did observe as things were coming in if 1902 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,080 we couldn't burn on that day and and we 1903 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,719 would very quickly run out of capacity. 1904 01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:28,560 Um, if you know if we said it was every 1905 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,560 Thursday we're going to burn and we 1906 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,320 missed three Thursdays, we wouldn't have 1907 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,640 any left and then we'd be turning people 1908 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:35,760 away and we don't want to do that 1909 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,679 either. 1910 01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:39,520 >> Okay. Thank you. 1911 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,120 >> Any other questions about scales or 1912 01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,360 burning? 1913 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,040 All right, moving on to remaining 1914 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,360 landfill capacity. 1915 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,120 So, there were some concerns expressed 1916 01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,040 about the long loss of long-term 1917 01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,360 landfill capacity if we accepted 1918 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,880 additional waste from other sources. Um, 1919 01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,960 the report clearly demonstrated the 1920 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,679 impact to the town of AC accepting 1921 01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:04,480 5001,500 1922 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:07,199 uh metric tons of waste per year uh as 1923 01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:09,520 three different scenarios. 1924 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,679 Looking at the 1500 metric tons per 1925 01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:13,440 year, which is three times more than 1926 01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:15,280 what we're taking from Wallist right 1927 01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,719 now. Um our gross revenues based on 1928 01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:20,640 current pricing would be approximately 1929 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:25,600 $300 or $300,000 per year. Um now that 1930 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,000 is straight like for like. If we 1931 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,760 continue doing exactly what we're doing 1932 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:34,080 today at the higher $200 per metric ton 1933 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,280 cost, then we would have $300,000 of 1934 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,760 revenue and we would lose over the 1935 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,760 remaining life in the current cells 22 1936 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,920 years of time. 1937 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,760 That doesn't consider any of the other 1938 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,080 things proposed in the report like 1939 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,440 improving diversion, like improving um 1940 01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:55,760 other options uh for recycling, 1941 01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,480 looking at um better hazardous waste 1942 01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:02,239 management, um better public education, 1943 01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:04,400 food cyclinger campaigns, all of those 1944 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,560 kind of things. So all of those will 1945 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,960 reduce the volume going in which 1946 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,920 increases life. You may recall that last 1947 01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,400 year's report, I believe we had 57 years 1948 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,080 of remaining life. And this year, we're 1949 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,239 up to 63 because we did a really great 1950 01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:21,199 job of getting rid of bulky waste and 1951 01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:22,960 reducing the amount of construction and 1952 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,800 demolition debris coming in from um 1953 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,239 different locations. So, um as a result 1954 01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,719 of those things, we actually increased 1955 01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:34,800 our capacity by eight years with a full 1956 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,560 year of landfilling with our waist and 1957 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,400 wallist from one report to the other. 1958 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,159 Those numbers don't include the 1959 01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:41,760 additional capacity that we have. 1960 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:42,640 >> They do not, 1961 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,080 >> which is roughly 100 years, 1962 01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,560 >> another 100 years over and above what 1963 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,719 we're currently working in right now are 1964 01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:51,920 already approved at the site. So, um, we 1965 01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,719 currently have, you know, 150 to 160 1966 01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:56,560 years of life. If you look at the whole 1967 01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,320 site, the implications of taking 1,500 1968 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,440 metric tons reduce that initial phase by 1969 01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:06,000 22 years and then the secondary phase 1970 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,560 probably by about the same. Um so we 1971 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,400 still would have more than 100 years of 1972 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,600 capacity in the site uh even if we 1973 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,440 implemented a 1500 metric ton per year 1974 01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:19,360 um approval. And of course all of this 1975 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,760 is assuming that the ministry will even 1976 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,120 allow us uh to look at or do any of 1977 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,189 these things. 1978 01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:31,840 We would also propose that a portion of 1979 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,800 every invoice include a search charge 1980 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,960 for future cost and postclosure 1981 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,520 responsibilities. Uh we currently carry 1982 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,480 a postclosure expense liability as a 1983 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:45,760 result of ARRO legislation of $166,000 1984 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,400 a year in addition to estimated 1985 01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:50,880 postretirement and postclosure cost 1986 01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,360 obligations of $730,000 1987 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,400 a year. Um, if we stopped landfilling 1988 01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,320 today with just what's in the ground 1989 01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,080 today, those would be the costs that we 1990 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,719 would have uh over the next couple of 1991 01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:04,719 decades, uh, if we just stopped taking 1992 01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,239 waste today and shipped it all away and 1993 01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:09,440 closed our landfill. Um, we have no 1994 01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:11,280 money in the bank to pay for any of 1995 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,199 those expenses right now. We do not have 1996 01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:15,679 a future closure or postclosure and post 1997 01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:18,640 monitoring uh, reserve. We do have 1998 01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,320 landfill reserve funds, which we're 1999 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:21,600 going to talk about a little later in 2000 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,120 this report. So, I don't want it to 2001 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,560 sound like we haven't done any planning 2002 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,640 at all, but we have not specifically 2003 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,120 allocated funds for postclosure and 2004 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,920 future monitoring costs. So, staff would 2005 01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,760 propose that there be a search charge on 2006 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,800 every invoice to reflect those future 2007 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,679 costs based on the the amounts of waste 2008 01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:41,199 that we're taking from someone else, 2009 01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:43,600 which alleviates them of that future 2010 01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,120 cost because they're not putting it in 2011 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,360 their landfill sites. and that that 2012 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,199 money go to a dedicated reserve 2013 01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:51,360 specifically for postclosure and 2014 01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,390 monitoring. 2015 01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:59,430 Questions about landfill capacity. 2016 01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:02,560 All right. Waste audit options. 2017 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,360 So Cameian provided two options. A 2018 01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,840 single event in one three-month period 2019 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,600 or a one season event or four events, 2020 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,400 one in each season of the year. staff 2021 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,120 feel that initially a one season audit 2022 01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,840 will give us a much better understanding 2023 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:21,679 of what's going into our way site than 2024 01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:23,679 we have right now which is just what we 2025 01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:27,199 see with our eyes. Um, while there is 2026 01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:29,360 probably benefit to doing a four-season 2027 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,840 audit in the future, we think initially 2028 01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,320 the single season audit will give us a 2029 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,560 ton of information to work with and 2030 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,360 implement to make improvements. And then 2031 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,920 later once we maximize those potentials, 2032 01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:43,760 we could look at doing another season 2033 01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,920 audit, a different season to see if 2034 01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,520 things have changed and see if there are 2035 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,920 tweaks required uh to any of those 2036 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,239 diversion programs. But we feel that the 2037 01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,560 biggest bang for our buck, so to speak, 2038 01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,639 is with that single season audit because 2039 01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:58,320 right now we have no baseline to work 2040 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,159 from to know what's actually going in 2041 01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:02,800 our trash beyond what our attendants see 2042 01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,199 at the gate. 2043 01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:08,400 Uh each audit is approximately $25,000. 2044 01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,760 Um and that is actually people taking 2045 01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,920 samples of garbage. I believe it's 100 2046 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,679 households. They collect the garbage 2047 01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:18,480 from directly. They physically open 2048 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,520 every bag and sort everything. This is 2049 01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,719 green. This is recyclable. This is just 2050 01:22:24,719 --> 01:22:27,679 garbage. This could be diverted. And do 2051 01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:30,239 an audit and calculate, you know, how 2052 01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:32,239 much of what was in that bag that still 2053 01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:33,679 goes in the dump when they're done. Uh 2054 01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:35,120 we don't keep any of it. We're not 2055 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,960 looking at personal identifiable 2056 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,960 information if someone threw it in their 2057 01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,120 waste. It just is to sort the different 2058 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,520 streams. And if we find that, you know, 2059 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,760 50% of household garbage is actually 2060 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,639 recyclable, then we target an education 2061 01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:50,880 campaign about, hey, did you know that 2062 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,639 those Tim Hortons cups actually are 2063 01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:54,320 recyclable now? Please don't put them in 2064 01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,199 your garbage anymore. Uh to reduce that 2065 01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:58,800 volume and reduce the amount that we're 2066 01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:03,750 landfilling. 2067 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,440 Does season virtually mean spring, 2068 01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:07,920 summer, fall, winter? And uh have you 2069 01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:09,840 sort of navigated what feels like the 2070 01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,679 best season? I mean, 2071 01:23:11,679 --> 01:23:14,159 >> we we haven't we haven't had that. I 2072 01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:16,000 mean, there's values to different ones. 2073 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,760 Christmas, there's a lot of paper waste. 2074 01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,080 It was something that uh John initially 2075 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,520 mentioned. He said in the spring, people 2076 01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,199 are spring cleaning and throwing out 2077 01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:25,280 things that could potentially be 2078 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,719 repurposed. So, each season has its own 2079 01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:29,679 intricacies. 2080 01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:31,040 >> Yeah. A lot of our non-permanent 2081 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,960 residents contributed in the summer, 2082 01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,880 too, right? So, yeah, each one of them 2083 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,239 does. I just wonder if you navigated 2084 01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:39,760 what was the best choice. haven't and we would take the guidance of the 2085 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,600 municipal engineer um if we embark on on 2086 01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,159 an audit in the future. 2087 01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:47,600 >> Mayor, that's you. 2088 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,760 >> Okay. Sorry. [laughter] Sure. Kev, 2089 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,199 that's a a question on that was like so 2090 01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:55,120 if we have to do an audit that means 2091 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,600 that we don't feel they're doing a good 2092 01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,199 job uh uh sorting their garbage. So that 2093 01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:03,360 means that our bag tags really haven't 2094 01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,760 done what they were supposed to. and the 2095 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,280 employee that picks the garbage up to 2096 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:08,960 put it into the bag isn't looking at to 2097 01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:10,639 see what's in it because if there's 2098 01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:12,800 recycle in it, he's not supposed to take 2099 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,760 it. So that's to me is $100,000 that 2100 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,440 we're just throwing up in the air. The 2101 01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:19,440 other thing is is it our employees going 2102 01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:22,239 to do the audit or is it some company 2103 01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:23,520 comes in? 2104 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,199 >> No. Is the waste engineer that would do 2105 01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:26,000 the audit? Go ahead. 2106 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,760 >> Just to clarify, it's not 100. The 2107 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,719 recommendation is the $25,000 option. 2108 01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:31,679 >> The single season. 2109 01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:34,000 not the four season. 2110 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,960 What's uh in your resolution read or not 2111 01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,360 saying 343,000 2112 01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:39,920 >> that's 2113 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,040 >> you'll see that at the end 2114 01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:44,000 >> the end but the this section here on the 2115 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,760 um this particular audit 2116 01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,280 >> one shot by 2117 01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:55,840 >> yeah Jay yeah they Wayne what they do is they come in and they take the 100 2118 01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,080 households and they go through it and we 2119 01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,159 may find that food waste is 50% of 2120 01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:02,480 what's going into our our landfill and 2121 01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:05,360 it may justify by opening a composting 2122 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,960 green box program here. Um, 2123 01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,440 and and you know, putting it on our guys 2124 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:13,920 to to look in every bag, the thousands 2125 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,920 and thousands and thousands of bags that 2126 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:17,840 they're they're throwing in those trucks 2127 01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,280 every day. Um, it's just it's not 2128 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,360 realistic for our guys. I mean, if they 2129 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,000 get a a garbage bag full of water 2130 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,440 bottles, of course, they would be able 2131 01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:29,280 to identify that. But I mean, if 2132 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:30,719 somebody dragged a bag out and there's a 2133 01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:32,000 water bottle in the side of it, I 2134 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,360 wouldn't expect our guys to leave it on 2135 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,040 the side of the road. We don't know if 2136 01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,120 that's been contaminated or what. Um, 2137 01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:38,639 this would just give us a lot better 2138 01:25:38,639 --> 01:25:42,320 idea on on the diversion that we can we 2139 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,040 can make most efficient with our dump 2140 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,880 site and the the type of garbage that 2141 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,280 we're receiving. And you were mentioning 2142 01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,440 from your conference that when they did 2143 01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:54,080 this, there was lots of surprises or 2144 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,159 >> that Yeah, that's that's everyone were 2145 01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:58,320 just astonished by what they thought 2146 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,800 would be normal garbage on what they 2147 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,360 found was just it was incredible and 2148 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,440 they were able to make the adjustments 2149 01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:08,080 to their diversion programs and they've 2150 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,719 actually um the one municipality out of 2151 01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:13,600 uh mil I believe it was um are doing it 2152 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,520 yearly now just because it changes with 2153 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,840 the seasons like and and it's just It's 2154 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,320 just about making your landfill as 2155 01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,280 efficient as possible and by knowing 2156 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,080 exactly what's going in is the only way 2157 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:31,110 to do that. 2158 01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,600 » Yeah. So that's that's all we had for 2159 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,520 the audits is that we would propose one 2160 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:37,679 and then build on a program from there 2161 01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:38,719 depending on [clears throat] 2162 01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:40,960 what that looked like. Um, on the green 2163 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,679 bin, I do also want to mention that 2164 01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:46,320 while we are not legislated to have a 2165 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:49,040 green bin program right now, if our 2166 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,199 population grows a whole lot more, we 2167 01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:53,199 will be required to have a green bin 2168 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:56,480 program. Um, so it it would be good to 2169 01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:59,840 have some baselines to know what we may 2170 01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:04,719 encounter in the future in that regard. 2171 01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:07,040 Moving on, this was included in the last 2172 01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,040 report and I did just do a cut and paste 2173 01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,719 because I thought it was important to 2174 01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:12,960 mention again that there are proposed 2175 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,199 provincial legislation legislated 2176 01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,600 changes to municipal waste operations 2177 01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,520 which streamline a lot of the processes 2178 01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,760 that we're talking about today. Right 2179 01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:23,440 now, we are looking at, you know, tens 2180 01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:25,520 of thousands of dollars for an ECA 2181 01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,520 application to change our design and 2182 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,360 operation plan and get amendments 2183 01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,679 approved to an ECA if we move forward 2184 01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:33,840 with these recommendations. 2185 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,239 However, under several of the proposed 2186 01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,800 changes, um those costs would be 2187 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,960 significantly reduced and the processes 2188 01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,199 would be streamlined as the province 2189 01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:45,600 recommends that um you know, we are good 2190 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,600 stewards and we are doing a good job and 2191 01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,760 if they've approved a 100red years of 2192 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,480 landfilling capacity, what they found is 2193 01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:54,639 that changing the ECA to allow you to 2194 01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:58,639 take 500 tons from a neighbor, you're 2195 01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:00,159 still managing a 100red years of 2196 01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:03,360 capacity. it it doesn't change how how 2197 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:04,719 well you're doing or what your 2198 01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:07,199 requirements are to manage that waste. 2199 01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:08,960 So the the getting approval doesn't 2200 01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,920 affect the outcome is is ultimately um 2201 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,320 what they found in in some of those 2202 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,880 legislative positions. So, I just wanted 2203 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,320 to reiterate that the province 2204 01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,400 recognizes that things need to change in 2205 01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,360 landfill worlds and we can either manage 2206 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,600 that change on our own proactively the 2207 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,280 way that works for our community or we 2208 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,280 can have them tell us that you're going 2209 01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,080 to do XY Z. Uh, and we've been on the 2210 01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,719 receiving end of that in the past as 2211 01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:36,560 well. 2212 01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,320 So, proposed summary of actions, 2213 01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,040 timelines, and expenses. So, in the 2214 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,040 optimization report, there was a request 2215 01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,520 to pull all of the costs together into a 2216 01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,320 consolidated framework um because they 2217 01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,320 spread over I believe it was eight pages 2218 01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,560 in the report and each one contained a 2219 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,199 fairly detailed explanation. Basically, 2220 01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:56,639 what I've done is pulled those eight 2221 01:28:56,639 --> 01:28:59,440 pages together into a couple of smaller 2222 01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:01,440 charts without the explanation. If you 2223 01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:02,960 want the explanation, go back and look 2224 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,880 at the original one. Um so the the first 2225 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:09,520 costs are costs that we believe can be 2226 01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,520 uh covered through the operating budget 2227 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,480 that don't require reserve allocation 2228 01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:16,639 and the timelines or years when those 2229 01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:19,679 things would happen. So disposal ban on 2230 01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:22,880 some items um you know the the one that 2231 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,840 comes to mind uh most often is the uh 2232 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,760 the binding and the twines and the the 2233 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,560 tarps. um you know not accepting those 2234 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,639 and using the existing recycling 2235 01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:35,760 programs uh in place to help commercial 2236 01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,239 generators of that waste that is not 2237 01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:41,120 manageable at the landfill site um get 2238 01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,440 rid of that waste. Public education 2239 01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:46,960 campaigns uh textile drop off program 2240 01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,159 establishing a reuse center with lots of 2241 01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:52,960 guidelines. Um we've done some research 2242 01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,360 and and have some guidelines in that 2243 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,600 others are using for those. They don't 2244 01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,920 accept any electronic appliances, for 2245 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:01,920 example. Those all go to the electronic 2246 01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,400 recycling bin, and it eliminates the 2247 01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,880 risk of a electrical hazard or a short 2248 01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,440 or a fire. Um, it would only be for 2249 01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:12,080 things that could be easily and safely 2250 01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,679 reused. So, no dirty mattresses, um, no 2251 01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:17,840 pillows, no blankets, that kind of 2252 01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,880 stuff. It would be, you know, dishes or 2253 01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,360 windows that could be repurposed for a 2254 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,080 shed or a greenhouse or a screen door 2255 01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:27,679 that doesn't fit the aesthetic of the 2256 01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:30,080 cottage anymore and is just going or 2257 01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,199 those types of reusable items that still 2258 01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:34,960 have lots of life in a different 2259 01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,080 application. Um, that don't pose a risk 2260 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,880 or a safety liability concern for the 2261 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,400 town. 2262 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,320 >> I always understood once through the 2263 01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,639 gates couldn't remove it. That's how it 2264 01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:48,800 is because we don't have a reuse center. 2265 01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,120 If we had authorization for a reuse 2266 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,840 center with parameters about what could 2267 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,760 go there, then it could leave. It could 2268 01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,320 go to that center and leave. 2269 01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,000 That would be one of the changes that we 2270 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,960 would put into our ECA is for approval 2271 01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:04,960 to do that. But you're absolutely right. 2272 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:06,320 If it comes through the gate right now, 2273 01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,000 it's garbage. Even if it's perfectly 2274 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,520 useful. Yeah. 2275 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,560 So, total costs are between5 and $10,000 2276 01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,400 a year. the $10,000 a year in 2027 is 2277 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,360 the highest because that would include 2278 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,000 the establishment of that reuse center 2279 01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,320 if the ECA amendment to allow that is 2280 01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,199 approved. And that's just the cost of a 2281 01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:32,480 uh a prefab shed or a shipping container 2282 01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:34,719 um that would house those things uh in 2283 01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:36,159 the short term. So that's a one-time 2284 01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:38,880 expense. So, it's roughly $5 to $6,000 a 2285 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,600 year for operational things to continue 2286 01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,440 with our food cyclinger program, to 2287 01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:46,639 continue with our composter program. Um, 2288 01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:51,360 all of those things would fit into that 2289 01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,920 costing. So, that's specific to the 2290 01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,400 three Rs, the reduce, reuse, recycle, 2291 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:57,600 all of which would be covered by 2292 01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,920 operations. site operation 2293 01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:03,600 recommendations included um both 2294 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,719 operating and reserve allocations. So 2295 01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:08,639 improving on-site signage. We currently 2296 01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:10,480 do have a line in our budget for 2297 01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:12,800 signage. Um a small increase to that 2298 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,960 would allow us to cover these expenses 2299 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,360 as part of the operating budget. Moving 2300 01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,520 the brush pile and burn pile, we can use 2301 01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,520 our own resources to do that once 2302 01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,920 approved. Um so there is no capital 2303 01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,800 allocation for us to be able to do that. 2304 01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:29,280 installing a single way scale as per the 2305 01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,920 recommendations here is estimated to be 2306 01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:37,120 about 138. We did put the 140 in for the 2307 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,800 scale house as a worstc case scenario 2308 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,719 with the note that we would first look 2309 01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:46,320 at um an automated system and then a 2310 01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,360 trailer and then go to the scale house 2311 01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,719 if all other options failed. Um, to be 2312 01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:54,800 frank, I don't know why a construction 2313 01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,600 trailer would not work. So, I I don't 2314 01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,159 ever see us building this. Um, but it 2315 01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:01,760 was the proposal contained in the 2316 01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:03,679 original report. So, we've reflected 2317 01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:07,199 that here as a worst case scenario. 2318 01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:10,000 Um, and then a construction and demol 2319 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,159 demolition waste diversion recycling 2320 01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:14,320 strategy won't cost us anything. We just 2321 01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,480 need to change some processes that we 2322 01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:19,199 follow to do things. and then 2323 01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:20,880 construction of a household hazardous 2324 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,000 waste containment structure. So, uh I 2325 01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,360 want to chat just a bit about the 2326 01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:26,800 household hazardous waste. So, we 2327 01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,960 currently run two events per year, one 2328 01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,600 in the spring, May, I think, and one in 2329 01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:35,120 the fall, September. Cool. 2330 01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,400 They are extremely well attended. Um as 2331 01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,679 I mentioned, they do we we pay to the 2332 01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:43,840 hauler for the cost of the materials 2333 01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,679 they the hazardous materials they take 2334 01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:49,679 away. That includes paint, aerosol cans, 2335 01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:54,639 old gas, um light bulbs, um you know, 2336 01:33:54,639 --> 01:33:57,760 batteries, uh like car batteries, 2337 01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,920 uh yeah, all of those kind of things 2338 01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:02,400 that we generate through our daily life 2339 01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,520 that shouldn't go on the tipping face. 2340 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:07,520 What happens is household hazardous 2341 01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,159 waste day is May 20th, and on May 25th, 2342 01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:11,760 somebody comes in with a half a can of 2343 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,360 varnish and says, "I don't want this 2344 01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:14,800 anymore." more and we say, "Oh, you have 2345 01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,080 to take it home and keep it till 2346 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,400 September and then bring it back." And 2347 01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:21,600 they come back tomorrow with a bag of 2348 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,600 garbage with that wrapped up in a bag 2349 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,120 inside the bag and they throw in the 2350 01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,760 landfill site. Those are the chemicals 2351 01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:29,920 that cost us hundreds of thousands of 2352 01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,880 dollars to manage 20 years from now. So 2353 01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:34,639 having the containment facility to put 2354 01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:36,880 that can of paint in safely that's 2355 01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:40,239 fireproof and uh weather resistant and 2356 01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:43,040 rodent proof so that when that day comes 2357 01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,840 around in September we can safely 2358 01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,280 dispose of it and keep it out of our 2359 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,440 landfill provides a convenience to our 2360 01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:51,360 residents and ensures that we're not 2361 01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,239 putting long-term hazardous substances 2362 01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:55,520 into the ground that we're going to have 2363 01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,000 to manage for decades to come. It's a 2364 01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:59,840 onetime expense of create building that 2365 01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:01,600 shed. It's actually already approved in 2366 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,520 our ECA. So that is something that we 2367 01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,040 could move forward with without an 2368 01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,280 amendment. 2369 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:14,229 >> Yes, council 2370 01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:16,480 » didn't take I'm concerned about spillage 2371 01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:18,800 like I 2372 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,360 we start collecting the stuff and if 2373 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:26,080 they're going to only collect it every six months per se. Um, and by the 2374 01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,320 way, I was there in in the May day they 2375 01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:29,920 had it and they did an excellent job. 2376 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,520 Like very efficient. But if we start 2377 01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,360 collecting it ourselves, I'm really 2378 01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,520 concerned about spillage and what 2379 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:41,679 hazardous problems we'll have with that. 2380 01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:43,120 And that's why it needs to be 2381 01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,679 constructed in the building that is very 2382 01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:47,520 specifically outlined the the 2383 01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,360 characteristics of the building, how it 2384 01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,840 has to be constructed. Um what the 2385 01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,520 containment is and the sealants and 2386 01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:55,440 stuff so that if a can of paint does tip 2387 01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:58,000 over, it doesn't create a problem is is 2388 01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,159 clearly laid out and identified in the 2389 01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:02,960 existing ECA requirement. 2390 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:04,480 >> Good. Thank you. 2391 01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:07,679 >> And just as uh Andre mentioned, we 2392 01:36:07,679 --> 01:36:09,199 actually have approval to do that right 2393 01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:11,520 now. we just haven't done it. So, it 2394 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,880 isn't our current ECA. 2395 01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,440 >> Are our staff uh trained to handle 2396 01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:20,239 hazardous waste on a continuous basis? 2397 01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:23,199 Cuz when they come in, uh I know our 2398 01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:25,440 staff helps them, but we have experts to 2399 01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:28,480 come and take it away. It causes 25,000 2400 01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:30,239 run for the day. I'm assuming that's our 2401 01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:35,520 staff wages also. So, that word is 25. 2402 01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,760 So what would the savings be if we've 2403 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,760 already got it collected? So they only 2404 01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:41,280 need to be here for a half a day instead 2405 01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,840 of a day. 2406 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,679 >> We would collect it if someone brought 2407 01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:48,320 it to the site on a day that wasn't the 2408 01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,040 hazardous waste collection day. So if 2409 01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:52,880 they missed it and they were going to 2410 01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,480 throw it in the garbage and they already 2411 01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:55,679 brought it and they were throwing it 2412 01:36:55,679 --> 01:36:57,360 over the hill and we said, "No, no, you 2413 01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,119 can't do that. That's what we collect. 2414 01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:00,719 We wouldn't be advertising that you 2415 01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:02,000 could bring your waste here every day 2416 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,800 and we'll we'll take it every day." Fair 2417 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,760 enough. Um, all of our operators have 2418 01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:09,760 C12, I think it is, training, which 2419 01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,960 allows them to handle and haul hazardous 2420 01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,920 waste and we have a CBOR that allows 2421 01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,239 that to be in our vehicles and and all 2422 01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:19,520 that kind of stuff as well. And that is 2423 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,800 a requirement of the environmental 2424 01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,040 u approvals that we have in place to 2425 01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,119 operate a municipality as well. 2426 01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:28,480 >> Councelor Mouse, 2427 01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:30,159 >> I think you've half answered my question 2428 01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,560 in some of the conversation there. So we 2429 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,239 would still have our two hazardous days 2430 01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,960 of the year that company would arrive. 2431 01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:38,320 We could still do all of our drive-thru 2432 01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:39,920 everything, but all the rest of the days 2433 01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,400 we collect and then on those days they 2434 01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,719 remove that hazardous waste. So we're 2435 01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:46,800 not accumulating it nec we're we're 2436 01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:48,960 storing it, but then they take it away 2437 01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,040 from there. Do we have any financial 2438 01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:52,800 benefit whatsoever or we're just happy 2439 01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,159 that somebody's taking it all away and 2440 01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:56,320 it doesn't go into the landfill? That's 2441 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:58,239 the financial benefit is the tens of 2442 01:37:58,239 --> 01:37:59,840 thousands or hundreds of thousands of 2443 01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,000 dollars we'll save in the future not 2444 01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,199 monitoring for mercury poisoning and and 2445 01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:06,880 uh those those toxic hazardous 2446 01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:09,440 substances. Do those companies have a 2447 01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:12,239 process of to councelor Eastman's point? 2448 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:15,040 Um, do they have I mean, if something 2449 01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:16,320 happens to be spilled over, and I'm 2450 01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:18,080 assuming some type of a metal building 2451 01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:19,199 is what we're looking at, or some type 2452 01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:20,800 of containment, do they go through a 2453 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,560 cleaning process of that actual building 2454 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,080 when they take away all the hazardous 2455 01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,000 waste? So, we start fresh each time they 2456 01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,080 empty it, do you know? 2457 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,000 >> Uh, no. They're they're responsible for 2458 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:31,840 anything that they do while they're on 2459 01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,679 the site. Um, so they would take it away 2460 01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:37,360 if the building needed to be cleaned and 2461 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:38,880 we probably would give it a quick clean 2462 01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,719 after we emptied it out. We would we 2463 01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:45,030 would do that. 2464 01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:48,470 » Okay. 2465 01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:50,880 » All right. Emerging trends in waste 2466 01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:52,960 diversion. So, if you're into some 2467 01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,320 interesting reading, just Google um new 2468 01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,400 and groundbreaking waste diversion 2469 01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,400 activities. There's some stuff that you 2470 01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,000 would expect to see there, but there's 2471 01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,080 some really cool, awesome stuff that 2472 01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,400 people are working with as well. Um, 2473 01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,119 mining is becoming more and more of a 2474 01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:10,880 thing, but not in the traditional way 2475 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:12,639 where you bring in and you dig up your 2476 01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:15,040 whole site and then you have to uh 2477 01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,119 reprocess all of the waste that's there 2478 01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,679 after you take out recyclables. 2479 01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:22,080 um they have ground radar machines that 2480 01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,480 will identify that that's a tire and 2481 01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:26,320 here it is and automatically plot it on 2482 01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,320 a map and you just go dig up the tire 2483 01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,320 and now you have another two feet that 2484 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,040 you can fill. Um so there's there's some 2485 01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,360 really cool stuff out there in the 2486 01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:38,159 future. So these calculations, this 2487 01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:39,760 report, these estimates are based on 2488 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,840 what we know and what we do today. You 2489 01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,600 know how quickly the world of technology 2490 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,760 changes 10 years from now. some of the 2491 01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:47,840 technologies that'll be available to 2492 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,000 manage what's already in the ground and 2493 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,880 get capacity back. Especially since we 2494 01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,480 know that in the 2030s we're going to 2495 01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:56,480 run out of landfill capacity as a 2496 01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:58,400 province and and subsequently as a 2497 01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:00,400 country. Those technologies are going to 2498 01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,280 be developed super fast and that the 2499 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,280 chances of us being able to utilize some 2500 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,119 of those at some point to get back 2501 01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:09,440 capacity we've already used also exists. 2502 01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:12,639 So this report is contemplating status 2503 01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:14,239 quo, what we do today, what we know 2504 01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:16,239 today, how we've always operated. It 2505 01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:18,000 doesn't consider any of those future 2506 01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,239 technologies or efficiencies. So if 2507 01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:21,679 you're into some interesting reading, 2508 01:40:21,679 --> 01:40:23,360 just uh Google that. There's some pretty 2509 01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:26,560 cool stuff out there. Um already talked 2510 01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:30,960 about the year- round hazardous waste. 2511 01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,040 So financial implications. So this is 2512 01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:37,119 your summary, Wayne, of your $343,000 2513 01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:40,239 uh summary. So for 2026, we don't expect 2514 01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:44,159 any costs. In 2027, we would have site 2515 01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:46,800 preparation and improvement um that we 2516 01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,800 would fund um you know to to make to 2517 01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:52,960 make the site ready to accept all of 2518 01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:54,880 these changes to operations. If we're 2519 01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:57,280 moving forward with our ECA, we would 2520 01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,840 also have the costs of the ECA and the 2521 01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:03,199 design and operation plan application as 2522 01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:06,480 detailed on page 27 of the report. And 2523 01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:08,560 then the $10,000 to construct the 2524 01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,360 hazardous waste storage building 2525 01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,000 in 2028. site preparation and and 2526 01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,480 alterations is going to be ongoing as we 2527 01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:18,159 implement all of these changes and 2528 01:41:18,159 --> 01:41:20,960 diversion activities along with the 2529 01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:24,560 single way scale and only if required 2530 01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,840 which I don't expect the scale house 2531 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:32,239 construction uh for 288,000 that year to 2532 01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:35,679 a maximum and then $10,000 in 2029 for 2533 01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:38,080 final site preparation and improvement 2534 01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,840 and then it's just regular maintenance 2535 01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,880 beyond there and those totals altogether 2536 01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,080 including that scale house that pretty 2537 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:48,639 confident to say we don't need um are 2538 01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:51,040 $343,000. 2539 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,360 We propose that those funds would come 2540 01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,560 from the reserves which have a balance 2541 01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:01,750 today of $71,47260 2542 01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,440 as needed though. So they wouldn't all 2543 01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:05,840 come out in 2026 or all come out in 2544 01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,320 2027. it would be as those activities 2545 01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,880 were implemented and we would continue 2546 01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:12,719 contributing to that reserve through our 2547 01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:15,520 regular budget activities uh each year 2548 01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,639 as well to to keep that balance up. So 2549 01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:20,320 um the total balance wouldn't bring the 2550 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:22,719 reserve to 350,000 because we would have 2551 01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:25,119 additional several years of additional 2552 01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:27,280 contributions to that reserve as well to 2553 01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,000 support other and ongoing not yet 2554 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,320 identified activities that may need to 2555 01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,880 occur at the site. 2556 01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:36,400 So when all of these factors are 2557 01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,400 considered and the subsequent 2558 01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,159 modifications and proposals and 2559 01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:43,280 clarifications from this report, staff 2560 01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:44,960 recommend that we be provided with 2561 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,199 direction to engage Cambian to 2562 01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:50,159 immediately maximize site efficiency by 2563 01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:52,320 introducing new or amended diversion 2564 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,239 programs and policies that are not 2565 01:42:54,239 --> 01:42:57,920 subject to an ECA amendment. 2566 01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:59,520 that they compile and submit an 2567 01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,080 application to amend the ECA and the 2568 01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,560 design and operation plan to implement 2569 01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:07,520 the recommendations above and contained 2570 01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,239 in this report. To implement revenue 2571 01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:12,400 generation tools as described in the 2572 01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,719 report to reduce the annual operating 2573 01:43:14,719 --> 01:43:16,880 deficit and begin to prepare for future 2574 01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,360 closure costs. Investigate and bring 2575 01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:20,880 forward the required policies and 2576 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:22,960 procedures as recommended in this report 2577 01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,520 for council approval to reduce risk and 2578 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,520 liability to the town while maximizing 2579 01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,199 site life and providing public 2580 01:43:29,199 --> 01:43:31,600 information and education as well as 2581 01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,239 improve communications. 2582 01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:36,159 implement new revenue generation tools 2583 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:38,000 and sources, including acceptance of 2584 01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:39,760 waste from other municipalities as 2585 01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,480 outlined in the Cayman report to offset 2586 01:43:42,480 --> 01:43:44,960 continuing annual cost escalations and 2587 01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:46,480 future closure and post-closure 2588 01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:49,119 monitoring cost as required by approvals 2589 01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:52,000 as they are granted and install a single 2590 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,000 waist scale to create efficiencies and 2591 01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,159 provide uniform, consistent, and fully 2592 01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:58,719 transparent waste disposal services as 2593 01:43:58,719 --> 01:44:01,119 approvals to do so are received from the 2594 01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:04,000 Ministry of the Environment and Parks. 2595 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,000 And I just want to point out the the the 2596 01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,760 summary note in the Keian report because 2597 01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,600 I I do think it's really reflective of 2598 01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,000 the whole thing. So the Dangan waste 2599 01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,239 disposal site is a vital municipal asset 2600 01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:16,159 that plays a central role in supporting 2601 01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:18,560 the town of Braftoft's long-term waste 2602 01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,719 management needs. With substantial 2603 01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:23,119 remaining capacity and strong regular 2604 01:44:23,119 --> 01:44:25,840 regulatory foundation, the site presents 2605 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,760 an opportunity not only to ensure 2606 01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:29,840 environmental stewardship, but also to 2607 01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:33,199 unlock greater potential and financial 2608 01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:37,040 value for the community. 2609 01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,840 >> Thank you for an excellent report and an 2610 01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,400 excellent presentation. And you actually 2611 01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,080 did breathe once in a while in there. 2612 01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:45,600 So, thank thank 2613 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:46,320 >> did I? 2614 01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,480 >> Yeah. Uh I'm just going to put this 2615 01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:50,159 first. We've already done this, but I'll 2616 01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:51,760 put the resolution forward. The first 2617 01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:53,360 one was, be it resolved that the council 2618 01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,520 of the corporation of town of Bankro 2619 01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,000 receives a supplemental information 2620 01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,920 staff report regarding the landfill 2621 01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:02,639 optimization study report for the Dunan 2622 01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:04,560 landfill for information and discussion 2623 01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,400 purposes, which is what we have done. 2624 01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:09,040 Yes, sorry. Um, I just I just want to 2625 01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,600 mention in in the report there, um, and 2626 01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:12,719 I believe we can do it within the 2627 01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:14,239 343,000, 2628 01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:16,000 we didn't mention doing an audit, a 2629 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,960 waste audit in that report. I think we 2630 01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:21,119 need to include that wording in there so 2631 01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:22,800 we can move forward with that. I don't 2632 01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:24,800 believe we have to increase 343 because 2633 01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:26,159 we have so much in there for the scale 2634 01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:29,040 shack which I've never seen a scale 2635 01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,920 house actual concrete. It's always a 2636 01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:33,679 construction trailer. So I believe we 2637 01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:35,040 can do do it within that money. I just 2638 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,440 think that we should add that verbiage. 2639 01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:38,159 >> Yes. Okay. 2640 01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:39,600 >> In the resolution. That's all. 2641 01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:42,000 >> Okay. Thank you. Uh so that's the motion 2642 01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:43,440 to do the discussion which we've already 2643 01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:44,800 done. Could I have a mover and a 2644 01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,679 seconder for that please? Deputy Mayor 2645 01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:49,360 and Councelor Lawrence. All in favor, 2646 01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:52,639 please. Thank you. The second 2647 01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:54,320 resolution, be it resolved that the 2648 01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:55,760 council of the corporation, the town of 2649 01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,679 Bankro, hereby direct staff to engage 2650 01:45:57,679 --> 01:46:00,000 Cambium, Inc. to implement all the 2651 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,360 recommendations contained in the 2652 01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,440 landfill optimization study report as 2653 01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:06,159 amended by the modific modifications 2654 01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:13,920 contained in this report, including the single waste audit. Thank 2655 01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,560 you, Jake. 2656 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,880 and further the capital allocations 2657 01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,040 outlined on page 11 of this report be 2658 01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:24,800 approved up to a maximum of 343,000 2659 01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,600 if required and further the council the 2660 01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,360 corporation the town of Bankro direct 2661 01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:32,000 staff to execute a service contract with 2662 01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,719 Camian Inc required for this purpose 2663 01:46:34,719 --> 01:46:36,320 because I have a mover and a second 2664 01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,480 please councelor Lawrence and councelor 2665 01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:50,070 Miles all in favor is 2666 01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,239 » you can make a motion to amend that 2667 01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:54,719 resolution. Um, you would need a 2668 01:46:54,719 --> 01:46:58,239 secondary for the amendment. 2669 01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:00,480 >> Can I have your mic, please? 2670 01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:03,679 >> Sorry. Yes, I would like to amend that. 2671 01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:06,719 Uh let me just find 2672 01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:08,880 amend it to say be it resolved that the 2673 01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:10,320 council of the corporation of the town 2674 01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,719 of Braftoft hereby direct staff to 2675 01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:17,679 engage Cambium Inc. to implement all but 2676 01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:19,840 accept waste from other municipalities. 2677 01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:21,600 So that's the only one I want pulled 2678 01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,440 from that. 2679 01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:26,639 >> So that's your motion needs to be sorry. 2680 01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:29,119 Yes. 2681 01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:31,199 >> If I can just make a comment um 2682 01:47:31,199 --> 01:47:32,480 excluding that or 2683 01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:33,440 >> sorry excluding that. Yeah, 2684 01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:35,119 >> excluding that and moving forward with 2685 01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:37,199 everything else would duplicate your ECA 2686 01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:39,360 fees. If there was a decision to move 2687 01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:40,960 forward with that in the future, you 2688 01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,119 would have to submit yet another design 2689 01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:45,280 and operation plan and another ECA 2690 01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,639 amendment to make that change later if 2691 01:47:48,639 --> 01:47:51,760 it wasn't included with the first 2692 01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,719 suite of changes. 2693 01:47:54,719 --> 01:47:58,229 Just a 2694 01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,480 » So, the motion's on the floor. Looking 2695 01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:03,750 for a seconder. 2696 01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,840 Council Eastman seconds. Um, 2697 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:09,600 >> can I just speak to why I want to do 2698 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:10,560 that? 2699 01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:14,000 >> Uh, it's pretty evident. Do you want to? 2700 01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:15,920 >> Well, I would like to say something if I 2701 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:17,280 can. 2702 01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:19,280 >> I'm not saying that I'm opposed to it. I 2703 01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:20,480 mean, at the end of the day, it's a 2704 01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:22,080 $700,000 2705 01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,320 operational cost to all of our 2706 01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,400 taxpayers. Now, when you take off, like 2707 01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,080 Andrew made a good comment about 2708 01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:29,840 curbside. So, when we're bringing in 2709 01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:31,920 revenue from other municipalities to 2710 01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,560 bring to offset our costs, so we're 2711 01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:37,440 going to bring in bring in other dollars 2712 01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:40,480 from them, um our costs that our people 2713 01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:42,080 incur that anybody from other 2714 01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:43,520 municipalities wouldn't, such as 2715 01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:46,639 curbside and um our hazardous waste and 2716 01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:48,239 such, they don't benefit from that. 2717 01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:50,480 That's our our people only. But still, 2718 01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:52,080 when you look at the difference, you're 2719 01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:55,040 still looking at a $450,000 difference. 2720 01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:58,080 So, yes, it would be great if we could 2721 01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,800 bring in enough revenue from other 2722 01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,000 municipalities so that we run it 2723 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:05,840 where we don't have to like there's not 2724 01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,159 a big chunk coming off of our taxpayers. 2725 01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:09,600 But at the end of the day, I really 2726 01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:15,840 don't want to see the lifespan of our landfill um lesson. I think back of 2727 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,159 when we were, this is a positive note 2728 01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:20,320 though, when we were first elected in in 2729 01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:24,719 20 uh 2014, there was an expected life 2730 01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:27,920 expectancy of 160 years and we're still 2731 01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:29,840 sitting at that. So over 12 years, we 2732 01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,520 haven't lost, we've gained, which is 2733 01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,719 great, but I just think we need to do a 2734 01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:36,880 little more exploring on that. Um, we've 2735 01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:39,199 got our residents who are dead set 2736 01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:43,119 against it. many are and I just 2737 01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:45,040 I don't want to see the greatest asset 2738 01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,159 that we have deplete. That is one thing 2739 01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:51,040 that every municipality, 2740 01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:52,320 you know, we're we're one of the rare 2741 01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:53,600 ones that have that kind of life 2742 01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:57,520 expectancy. And yes, the $700,000 2743 01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:00,400 that we we incur the cost of our 2744 01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,080 landfill, we bring in a little bit of 2745 01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,639 revenue from elsewhere, but we're look 2746 01:50:04,639 --> 01:50:06,960 that's a 10% in our taxes. If we can 2747 01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:10,960 eliminate that by half, then that's 5% 2748 01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,760 off of our taxes. So, I I get that and I 2749 01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,199 understand that and I understand the 2750 01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:16,719 money part of it and how wonderful that 2751 01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:19,440 would be. But at the same time, I just 2752 01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:21,679 why do we have to make this decision 2753 01:50:21,679 --> 01:50:24,719 right now? Can it not wait? I mean, a 2754 01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:26,320 few months later, we've got potentially 2755 01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,560 a new council coming in and I just think 2756 01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:32,480 that it could sit on that council table 2757 01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:35,360 as opposed to right now. 2758 01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,159 comments from the floor. 2759 01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:40,639 Councelor Miles, 2760 01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:42,960 >> um I'm not in support of the amendment 2761 01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,639 because I feel that the opportunities 2762 01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:48,880 here, well, first of all, the extra cost 2763 01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:50,639 to going back to the ECA again. That 2764 01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:53,040 does make some sense. We are already 2765 01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:54,560 accepting garbage from another 2766 01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:56,000 municipality. We're just not getting 2767 01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:57,119 enough for it, but we're going to 2768 01:50:57,119 --> 01:51:00,239 correct that. I don't see this as a 2769 01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:04,159 floodgate um uh presentation. I think it 2770 01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:12,159 will be managed clearly. I think I could foresee a future where we we 2771 01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:14,239 don't we have we can't cut off our noses 2772 01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:16,639 despite our face. uh you know so the 2773 01:51:16,639 --> 01:51:18,239 report does sort of talk about what are 2774 01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:19,840 some limitations about how much we 2775 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:21,760 should accept 2776 01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:24,320 and I think 2777 01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:27,679 I have a responsibility to say to every 2778 01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:31,119 constituent you are the highest taxpayer 2779 01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:33,199 almost in the province based on our mill 2780 01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:36,400 rate and if I could say to you I can 2781 01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:39,040 find a way to generate like what's 2782 01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:43,040 $300,000 5% of tax base 2783 01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:45,360 >> if I can say we're We have found a 2784 01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:46,800 program that, you know, it's not going 2785 01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,320 to happen tomorrow, but maybe over the 2786 01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,560 next 5 to 10 years, we know we can 2787 01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,960 generate some revenue to help with that 2788 01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:56,000 with proper control. I think we should 2789 01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:57,840 be taking those opportunities while 2790 01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:00,000 they've been presented to us by the 2791 01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:03,360 people who do garbage best. Um I I think 2792 01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:04,560 they're they're the pros. They're the 2793 01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,080 ones who've paid attention to what is 2794 01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,560 here. And so I think missing that 2795 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,400 opportunity to stay to say to a 2796 01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:11,840 constituent, I can help find some 2797 01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:13,840 revenue for the taxes here because we're 2798 01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:16,639 already so high. I have a responsibility 2799 01:52:16,639 --> 01:52:18,560 I feel to a constituent to find a way to 2800 01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:20,560 do that. That that's that's why I would 2801 01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:22,960 be opposed to the amendment. 2802 01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:24,960 >> Any other comments on that, Council 2803 01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,599 Lawrence? 2804 01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:30,800 I guess I see the length of time that 2805 01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:35,280 the um landfill can operate as an 2806 01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:38,000 opportunity and an asset like you you 2807 01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,960 pointed out, but uh an asset that 2808 01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,119 remains in the ground and doesn't 2809 01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:47,520 generate revenue for us. Uh I would not 2810 01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:52,639 support. I see this something like the 2811 01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:55,040 excess capacity we have with the sewage 2812 01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,599 treatment plant, you know, uh treating 2813 01:52:57,599 --> 01:53:01,040 leech from other municipalities. 2814 01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:05,280 Um now in that case, I don't think it's 2815 01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:08,719 something that goes away. It it 2816 01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:13,119 um but I I would welcome the opportunity 2817 01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:15,599 to reduce taxes of our taxpayers and 2818 01:53:15,599 --> 01:53:19,430 make us more affordable. 2819 01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:22,960 So comment that I have is is that um to 2820 01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,040 delay this to another council, this 2821 01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:28,320 council has has a lot of uh education 2822 01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:29,760 and expertise on this matter that 2823 01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:30,800 they've acquired and there's going to be 2824 01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:32,639 a large turnover. So to put this to a 2825 01:53:32,639 --> 01:53:34,159 new council who have really no 2826 01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:35,679 background information is going to 2827 01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:38,239 extend this out far enough. And we were 2828 01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:40,560 elected to make decisions, you know, we 2829 01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:41,920 were elected to make decisions as 2830 01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:43,199 councelor Miles said in the best 2831 01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:44,880 interests of our taxpayers. we don't 2832 01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:47,360 have very many opportunities 2833 01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:50,000 uh for revenue generation and I think 2834 01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:51,360 that we know that there are a whole 2835 01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:53,760 bunch of other costs that are uh on the 2836 01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:57,119 horizon uh for um that we have no 2837 01:53:57,119 --> 01:53:59,520 control over you know every we've seen 2838 01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:01,840 10 plus% in the last few years I think 2839 01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,239 it was 18 one year for the policing etc 2840 01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:05,679 we still don't know where that's going 2841 01:54:05,679 --> 01:54:07,760 so there are a lot of other expenses the 2842 01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:09,520 only thing that we can do to offset them 2843 01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:11,199 and still be responsible with the way 2844 01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:12,800 site and I think 100 plus years of 2845 01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:14,320 capacity 2846 01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:16,239 uh with upcoming changes probably of 2847 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:20,239 technology uh that it's our duty to uh 2848 01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:22,000 in the best interest of our taxpayers to 2849 01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,719 move forward with this. Uh deputy mayor. 2850 01:54:24,719 --> 01:54:26,400 >> Yeah, just a couple of comments if I 2851 01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:30,159 might. Uh uh first of all, the these 2852 01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:31,920 other municipalities have as far as I 2853 01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:33,440 know have not approached us about 2854 01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:37,119 coming. It's all hypothetical. And if if 2855 01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:39,280 it came back to the local council at the 2856 01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:42,159 time uh to accept or reject each an 2857 01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:47,199 individual uh proposal uh as a revenue 2858 01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:48,960 base, there might be other ones. There 2859 01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,520 might be other municipalities uh that 2860 01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,679 are out there that are uh really 2861 01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:56,159 desperate. We might be able to uh uh 2862 01:54:56,159 --> 01:54:57,760 generate a whole lot of money in a hurry 2863 01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:59,760 and and even less garbage. But that 2864 01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,440 that's part of it. 2865 01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,440 The one thing I don't like about I'll 2866 01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:05,920 speak to the to the resolution is that 2867 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:10,239 we accept all all his recommendations 2868 01:55:10,239 --> 01:55:11,920 and I'm afraid I don't agree with them 2869 01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:14,480 all. I agree with some but not them all. 2870 01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,400 So if we have to accept them all, it's 2871 01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,639 going to be difficult. 2872 01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:19,679 >> Council Miles, 2873 01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:22,400 >> uh just one more uh followup comment. I 2874 01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,239 have some thoughts also that we put 2875 01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:26,159 ourselves in a really good standing with 2876 01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:28,800 the province. I think that when we start 2877 01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:30,960 talking about how the the the the 2878 01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,119 condition of dumps throughout the entire 2879 01:55:33,119 --> 01:55:35,119 province, the province is going to start 2880 01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:37,119 having problems and they're going to be 2881 01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:38,800 municipalities going to the province and 2882 01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:40,639 saying, "Help us, help us, save us, save 2883 01:55:40,639 --> 01:55:43,440 us." If we are super proactive about 2884 01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,159 finding ways to help some of our 2885 01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:48,800 municipalities, it wouldn't shock me if 2886 01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:50,880 when the time comes and we're ready to 2887 01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:53,760 put this way scale in that we send for a 2888 01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:55,679 grant to the province and say, "Oh, and 2889 01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:57,679 by the way, we've taken every step 2890 01:55:57,679 --> 01:56:00,000 that's been reported by the people that 2891 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,480 know this best. So why don't you help us 2892 01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:03,920 because we're trying to put our foot 2893 01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:06,960 forward to be able to maybe help with 2894 01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:08,960 this massive garbage problem that's 2895 01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:11,199 coming down the chute." And so I wonder 2896 01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:14,719 this if taking the resolutions from or 2897 01:56:14,719 --> 01:56:16,800 the recommendations also puts us in 2898 01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:20,159 really good standing with the province. 2899 01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:22,000 >> Council Eastman, 2900 01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,800 >> I I guess my my concern is that are we 2901 01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:28,719 committing future councils to accept 2902 01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:30,639 automatically this or will will they 2903 01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:33,920 have a say on who they accept and when 2904 01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:36,159 uh what the scales is of the time? like 2905 01:56:36,159 --> 01:56:40,000 a like I mean we're we're putting it in 2906 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,560 out there uh not knowing what one of our 2907 01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:46,320 neighbors that we have pending uh 2908 01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:50,400 decisions on. Um so again I I just have 2909 01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,599 a concern that that so so the study 2910 01:56:53,599 --> 01:56:56,480 doesn't specify the who's all it's 2911 01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,480 specifying is a quantity 2912 01:56:58,480 --> 01:56:59,520 >> but it says all. 2913 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:00,080 >> Pardon me. 2914 01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:01,119 >> It says all. 2915 01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:04,480 >> Sorry but what's the all part? 2916 01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:07,119 I understand it says all 2917 01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:08,639 the motion is to accept all 2918 01:57:08,639 --> 01:57:10,239 municipalities garbage. 2919 01:57:10,239 --> 01:57:12,320 >> No, no, no, no. All all the 2920 01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:14,080 recommendations in the report, not all 2921 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:21,040 municipalities garbage. There's a cap on this of 150,500 2922 01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,400 metric tons. Whether that comes from our 2923 01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:28,239 neighbor X, Y, or Zed, um is to be deter 2924 01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:30,560 is to be determined. So, no, not all 2925 01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,719 municipalities. 2926 01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:34,080 So, 2927 01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:35,599 Jake, you had a comment. 2928 01:57:35,599 --> 01:57:37,520 >> I I just I think I need like I'm 2929 01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:39,440 listening to everybody's questions. I 2930 01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,280 think what the resolution is is like 2931 01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:43,040 what Andre had mentioned that moving 2932 01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:45,520 forward is to get to permission to do 2933 01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:49,920 this. Um whether future councils decide 2934 01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,719 to accept ways from other municipalities 2935 01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:55,440 will be up to them, but this just puts 2936 01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:57,599 us in a position in the future if that 2937 01:57:57,599 --> 01:58:00,800 is an option. It wouldn't be 2938 01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:02,239 >> is that is that the way I understand it? 2939 01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:05,360 No, this is to take 1500 metric tons. 2940 01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,239 >> Okay. Then I was I thought this was just 2941 01:58:08,239 --> 01:58:08,960 for the ECA 2942 01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,679 >> up to a maximum 1500 metric tons. That's 2943 01:58:11,679 --> 01:58:13,599 what this resolution Okay. 2944 01:58:13,599 --> 01:58:16,000 >> And that's because we need to identify 2945 01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,560 that volume for the ECA amendment. The 2946 01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,119 ECA is very specific about how much 2947 01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:22,880 waste we can take from outside of our 2948 01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,159 municipal boundaries. So, um we're we're 2949 01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:28,960 saying 1500, but you know that that may 2950 01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:30,960 not happen all at once. it it could be 2951 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:33,119 500 the first year and maybe somebody 2952 01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:35,599 else comes forward with another 500 and 2953 01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:37,760 will we get to 15? I I think there's 2954 01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:40,239 absolutely um no doubt that the demand 2955 01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:43,040 is there. Um but that won't happen in 2956 01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:47,920 2026 or 2027 and is probably um you know 2957 01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:49,679 not even something we would start to 2958 01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:52,159 implement until 2028 once we had the 2959 01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:53,920 ECAs and the design and operation 2960 01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:57,040 approvals in place to do so. 2961 01:58:57,040 --> 01:58:59,520 >> So I forgot what I was going to say. Oh, 2962 01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:01,440 you got your hand up. Sorry. 2963 01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,199 >> So, I was just thinking 2964 01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:03,360 >> Oh, 2965 01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:05,119 >> sorry. I just very quickly I did 2966 01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:07,440 remember you you only want to do one ECA 2967 01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:08,880 amendment because 2968 01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,040 >> Right. Yeah. So, you you don't want to 2969 01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:12,719 keep going peace meal because it's very 2970 01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:14,320 expensive. Sorry. Thank you. 2971 01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:16,480 >> It would it would allow like what what 2972 01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:18,159 Tracy's concern is is is allowing the 2973 01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:19,520 next count, but 2974 01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:21,040 >> you're still you're still capable of 2975 01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:22,080 >> Well, you're still capable. What I'm 2976 01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:23,920 saying is you're putting it as a rider 2977 01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:26,639 basically that's gonna if in the future 2978 01:59:26,639 --> 01:59:27,920 you want to. Was that not? 2979 01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:30,960 >> No, this is to accept the 1500 tons in a 2980 01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:32,960 manner that staff probably sees fit and 2981 01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:35,199 from who in the future. 2982 01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:37,599 >> Yeah. Sorry, Tracy. 2983 01:59:37,599 --> 01:59:39,679 >> So, yeah. So, it's not that we're 2984 01:59:39,679 --> 01:59:42,159 capable and ready to do it if we choose 2985 01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:45,280 to. We have to do it. 2986 01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:47,760 >> No, it gives us the license to do it 2987 01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:49,199 over. 2988 01:59:49,199 --> 01:59:51,119 >> So, we have the license to do it. We 2989 01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:53,760 could have a a a shop that has a license 2990 01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:56,000 to do whatever we're licensed to do, but 2991 01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,239 then if nobody ever brings that in or we 2992 01:59:58,239 --> 01:59:59,599 choose not to do that, we're still 2993 01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:01,520 licensed to do it, but we just choose 2994 02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:03,599 not to at that time. So that's all I'm 2995 02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:05,040 saying. It's not like we're like, "Oh, 2996 02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:07,440 yeah, we're we're licensed to do it, so 2997 02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:09,520 therefore we absolutely have to bring in 2998 02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:11,440 all of that." No, we don't have to. We 2999 02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:13,119 can just be licensed and set up for the 3000 02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:15,520 future, but we don't have to do it. 3001 02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:16,960 >> That's why the 3002 02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:19,360 >> Go ahead. 3003 02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:21,679 I I think you just spoke for voting 3004 02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:23,599 against your amendment. Well, 3005 02:00:23,599 --> 02:00:25,840 >> I was thinking more 3006 02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:28,639 >> this gives us the it's a cost a partial 3007 02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:30,480 cost recovery model, you know, as 3008 02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:32,400 outlined in the report. We know our 3009 02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:33,760 costs today, but they're going to 3010 02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:35,520 continue to escalate. We got closure 3011 02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:37,199 costs coming. We have many other costs 3012 02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:39,599 coming and this is a manner to uh to 3013 02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:41,280 address some of these and hopefully even 3014 02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:44,639 reduce our operating deficit. Yes. If I 3015 02:00:44,639 --> 02:00:46,400 can, I can give you two examples from 3016 02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:48,880 our existing ECA on the shelf right now. 3017 02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:50,639 One is that municipal hazardous waste 3018 02:00:50,639 --> 02:00:52,560 collection depot. We are already 3019 02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:54,960 approved to do that. We just haven't 3020 02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:57,040 yet. And we've had that approval for 3021 02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:58,639 upwards of 10 years now. I think that 3022 02:00:58,639 --> 02:01:01,760 was the 2018 approval. Um, and we just 3023 02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,239 haven't yet. We also have approval to 3024 02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:06,639 run a full composting facility at the 3025 02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:09,280 site right now, but we haven't looked at 3026 02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:11,040 doing that and the costs associated with 3027 02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:12,400 doing it and the infrastructure 3028 02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:14,080 required, but it's already approved 3029 02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:16,480 because when we open that ECA, we put it 3030 02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:17,760 in there because it might be something 3031 02:01:17,760 --> 02:01:20,800 we want to do. Um so so the approvals 3032 02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:22,960 can be there but like you said it 3033 02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:24,639 doesn't mean absolutely the minute you 3034 02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:26,800 get the approval you have to start doing 3035 02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:31,920 something anything but you can that's 3036 02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:34,719 but you can and I and and I guess my my 3037 02:01:34,719 --> 02:01:37,520 other part B to that question is so yes 3038 02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:39,840 right now we have roughly 160 years 3039 02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:42,159 which could be depleted down to 100 but 3040 02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:45,199 Jake in your professional opinion and I 3041 02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:47,760 know that you can't say like I know we 3042 02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:50,400 can't end up at a net zero where we can 3043 02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:56,080 bring in all this and not deplete our longevity of our dump by by 3044 02:01:56,080 --> 02:02:00,320 anything. But do you think if if we do 3045 02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:03,679 diversion properly and our our taxpayers 3046 02:02:03,679 --> 02:02:06,080 who don't want to lose the longevity of 3047 02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:08,880 our dump do their part to make sure that 3048 02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:10,239 they're not throwing stuff in our 3049 02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:11,920 landfill that shouldn't and they step up 3050 02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:13,760 and do what they should. Do you foresee 3051 02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:18,239 that 100 years being more than 100? 3052 02:02:18,239 --> 02:02:21,760 >> 100%. I believe that. I believe that um 3053 02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:24,320 you take, you know, you take say we have 3054 02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:27,360 150 years. Go back in time to 1875 from 3055 02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:29,040 now and how far we've come. Think think 3056 02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:30,880 of how far we're going to be ahead in a 3057 02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:33,840 100 years. Uh diversion methods, methods 3058 02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:36,880 to to break down garbage to to do 3059 02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:38,639 everything. And I I believe the future 3060 02:02:38,639 --> 02:02:40,719 holds lots of opportunities for us to 3061 02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:46,480 regain capacity and um and I I I'm full behind all these 3062 02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:49,040 recommendations because um they're just 3063 02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:50,719 going to lead to extending the lifespan. 3064 02:02:50,719 --> 02:02:52,000 Look what we've done in the last few 3065 02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,080 years. We've brought life back to that 3066 02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:56,480 landfill just by better practice with 3067 02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,960 our operations and and and I do believe 3068 02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:00,400 we can that that [clears throat] 22 3069 02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:02,239 years um that they're saying that we 3070 02:03:02,239 --> 02:03:03,760 would lose. I I believe we can shave 3071 02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:06,159 that down with better diversion models 3072 02:03:06,159 --> 02:03:09,589 100%. 3073 02:03:09,599 --> 02:03:11,920 » Sorry, somebody take their mic off. Try 3074 02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:13,280 now. 3075 02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:14,960 >> So, further to that, I'm going to pedal 3076 02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:16,639 backwards. I just felt we needed to have 3077 02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:18,719 that discussion and that conversation. 3078 02:03:18,719 --> 02:03:22,000 Um, my my big thing is, hey, at the end 3079 02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:23,440 of the day, yes, we are responsible to 3080 02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:26,960 our rateayers. Um, and if we can lower 3081 02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:31,599 our taxes and not decrease the longevity 3082 02:03:31,599 --> 02:03:33,840 of one of our greatest assets by too 3083 02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:36,719 much and I don't want to close the door 3084 02:03:36,719 --> 02:03:40,719 in an opportunity for the future. Um, so 3085 02:03:40,719 --> 02:03:44,159 I will pull my 3086 02:03:44,159 --> 02:03:46,000 >> and I think you're right. The the goal 3087 02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:48,800 is and I you know I think this report 3088 02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:51,280 was very conservative. I and to Jake's 3089 02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:53,840 point and other discussions I've had, I 3090 02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:55,280 think we still want to try to achieve 3091 02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:58,560 more capacity and uh and through all of 3092 02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:00,560 these programs. So that would be the 3093 02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,400 ultimate goal is exactly what you said 3094 02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:03,040 and I would 3095 02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,480 >> we can't sit here and guarantee. 3096 02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:06,880 >> No, no, but but even to cap it. Okay. So 3097 02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:09,360 that's what that's what is in the report 3098 02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:11,440 suggested cannot be capped. We're not 3099 02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:12,400 going to take any more than this. 3100 02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:13,119 >> That's the cap. 3101 02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:14,239 >> That's the actual cap. 3102 02:04:14,239 --> 02:04:15,280 >> That's what's going to go forward in the 3103 02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:18,159 ECA and you cannot deviate from the ECA. 3104 02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:23,750 Okay. 3105 02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:28,149 » On the first motion, 3106 02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:29,840 » but I I don't think it was seconded, was 3107 02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:30,080 it? 3108 02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:30,560 >> Yeah, 3109 02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:31,440 >> it was. Yes. 3110 02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:33,360 >> Oh, I'm sorry. I I missed that. I missed 3111 02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,080 that. Okay. So, we have to vote on the 3112 02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:38,960 uh on the amendment. So, all in favor of 3113 02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:41,760 the amendment, please raise your hands. 3114 02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,920 All opposed. 3115 02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:47,760 Thank you. Okay. Thank you. You sure 3116 02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:48,880 can. 3117 02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:51,199 uh on these proposals that we're saying 3118 02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:52,639 that we're going to accept all of them 3119 02:04:52,639 --> 02:04:54,800 on this report. 3120 02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:56,560 Will they come back to the existing 3121 02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:59,599 council at that at that time for new 3122 02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:02,639 plans or is this just letting staff go 3123 02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:04,159 wild to do what they want? 3124 02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:05,520 >> As far as what? 3125 02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:07,360 >> Well, for example, like the hazardous 3126 02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,599 building, I I don't personally think we 3127 02:05:09,599 --> 02:05:12,480 should be into that. So, that's part of 3128 02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:14,719 the uh scenario. So like if they come 3129 02:05:14,719 --> 02:05:16,719 back will staff come back and say the 3130 02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:18,159 hazardous buildings don't cost us 3131 02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:19,679 assist. This is how it's all planned 3132 02:05:19,679 --> 02:05:22,560 out. Uh we got into this with the uh 3133 02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:26,239 workshard we had a a Taj Mahal idea and 3134 02:05:26,239 --> 02:05:27,760 they just kept growing and growing and I 3135 02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:29,760 got a feeling that the same thing could 3136 02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:32,239 happen here quite readily unless they 3137 02:05:32,239 --> 02:05:33,679 come back with individual like for 3138 02:05:33,679 --> 02:05:36,080 example the scales and so yeah okay the 3139 02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:37,760 scales are this is what's going to cost 3140 02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:41,280 da da da go for it or we saying today go 3141 02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:44,080 for it and not worry. So there is a 3142 02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:48,719 budget cap in this report of the 343,000 3143 02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:51,040 that anything in exceeding in excess of 3144 02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:52,719 that would have to come back for sure. 3145 02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:55,040 You you can't go over that. That's what 3146 02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:57,360 the recommendation is. 3147 02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:58,239 So 3148 02:05:58,239 --> 02:06:01,280 >> is that budget cap now at 363 3149 02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:02,159 with 38? 3150 02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:06,480 >> No. Um um no. But 3151 02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:09,119 >> Jake's comment was is that uh we can do 3152 02:06:09,119 --> 02:06:11,440 it right within I think the big thing in 3153 02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:13,360 that report is 140,000 for the scale 3154 02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:14,480 house. I don't think anybody thinks that 3155 02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:16,400 we're going anywhere near that, but that 3156 02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,159 was what was in the consultants report. 3157 02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:18,560 So 3158 02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:20,639 >> yeah, that that that's what I meant was 3159 02:06:20,639 --> 02:06:22,400 the the waste audit. I believe we can 3160 02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:25,040 contain it within that 343,000. 3161 02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:26,639 Um I just wanted to make sure it was in 3162 02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:28,080 the verbiage that 3163 02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:29,599 >> that we were going to do that as well, 3164 02:06:29,599 --> 02:06:31,440 but there's no price increase with that. 3165 02:06:31,440 --> 02:06:33,679 We can work within that budget. 3166 02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:36,239 >> Okay. Um, okay. I have a second 3167 02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:37,920 recommendation. I make sure I'm on the 3168 02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:40,320 right item here. 3169 02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:42,239 Second resolution. Be it resolved the 3170 02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:44,480 corporation of the town of Bankrop here 3171 02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,320 by direct staff to engage Cambium Inc. 3172 02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:49,119 to implement all of the recommendations 3173 02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:51,119 contained in the landfill optimization 3174 02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:53,360 report as amended by the modific 3175 02:06:53,360 --> 02:06:56,709 contained 3176 02:06:56,719 --> 02:07:01,669 in this report being the staff report. 3177 02:07:01,679 --> 02:07:03,520 » Yes. including a single season waste 3178 02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:07,760 audit. Thank you. 3179 02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:11,440 And yes, and further the capital 3180 02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:13,520 allocations outlined on page 11 of this 3181 02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:16,719 report be approved up to a maximum of 3182 02:07:16,719 --> 02:07:20,480 343,000 if required. And further the 3183 02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:22,079 council of the corporation of town of 3184 02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:23,920 bankrooft direct staff to execute a 3185 02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:26,400 service contract with Cambium Inc. as 3186 02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:29,040 required for this purpose. Could I have 3187 02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:32,400 a mover in a seconder, please? 3188 02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:36,079 No, this is a separate motion. 3189 02:07:36,079 --> 02:07:41,270 Oh, I do. 3190 02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:43,520 Well, 3191 02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:47,520 it's a long 3192 02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:55,830 >> Yeah. long. Okay. All in favor, please. 3193 02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:58,880 Okay. So, we have four. One, two, three, 3194 02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:03,830 four. Yes. So passed. 3195 02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:05,440 Let's have everybody put their hand up 3196 02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:07,360 so that the clerk can please say it for 3197 02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:10,400 approval. Thank you. 3198 02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:16,790 Okay. Thank you. So So pass. Thank you. 3199 02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:20,159 Let's take a 10-minute prayer. 3200 02:08:20,159 --> 02:18:48,629 Thank you. 3201 02:18:48,639 --> 02:18:50,479 Okay, thank you. We'll reconvene at this 3202 02:18:50,479 --> 02:18:53,280 time. Next on our agenda, item D, 3203 02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:54,960 ventilation and thermal load assessment 3204 02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:58,160 reports addressing uh identified worker 3205 02:18:58,160 --> 02:18:59,920 health and safety issues. And this is 3206 02:18:59,920 --> 02:19:01,679 for portions of our uh current 3207 02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:04,160 workshard. Uh the motion before us is be 3208 02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:05,519 it resolved that the council of the 3209 02:19:05,519 --> 02:19:07,920 corporation of town of bankrock receives 3210 02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:09,599 this staff report and the associated 3211 02:19:09,599 --> 02:19:10,960 attachments for information and 3212 02:19:10,960 --> 02:19:13,439 discussion purposes and further that 3213 02:19:13,439 --> 02:19:16,080 council direct staff uh to procure and 3214 02:19:16,080 --> 02:19:18,000 install components for a compressed air 3215 02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:19,679 system for the trucks in the cold 3216 02:19:19,679 --> 02:19:22,319 storage bay and to engage the services 3217 02:19:22,319 --> 02:19:24,800 of a wildlife management pest control 3218 02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:26,719 company to remove the pigeons from the 3219 02:19:26,719 --> 02:19:29,200 cold storage truck bays and complete 3220 02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:31,280 remediation of the space as a result of 3221 02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:33,599 pigeon activity. ity to a maximum amount 3222 02:19:33,599 --> 02:19:37,040 of $30,000 $30,000 total cost with funds 3223 02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:38,960 to be allocated from the corporate 3224 02:19:38,960 --> 02:19:41,200 services reserve health safety and 3225 02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:42,960 accessibility initiatives fund. Could I 3226 02:19:42,960 --> 02:19:45,599 have a mover and a seconder please? Uh 3227 02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:48,160 councelor Eastman and councelor Miles 3228 02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:51,200 and Andre I will call on you again to 3229 02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:53,840 present this please. 3230 02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:56,240 >> Thank you Mayor Jenkins. So you have a a 3231 02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:59,200 number of reports in front of you. Um, I 3232 02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:01,760 did reattach the building envelope 3233 02:20:01,760 --> 02:20:04,960 assessment summary from last uh last 3234 02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:07,600 fall for the initial assessments of the 3235 02:20:07,600 --> 02:20:10,399 buildings. We've also attached a summary 3236 02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:13,600 document uh compiled by our manager of 3237 02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:16,000 infrastructure and capital projects with 3238 02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,319 regard to the newest ventilation and 3239 02:20:18,319 --> 02:20:21,200 thermal load assessment reports. Um 3240 02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:23,040 we're still working through the details 3241 02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:26,960 of those for longer range things and and 3242 02:20:26,960 --> 02:20:29,840 there is some information in them that 3243 02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:32,560 um would have required a significant 3244 02:20:32,560 --> 02:20:34,800 amount of redacting to be included on 3245 02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:37,600 this agenda. Um serial numbers and 3246 02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:39,840 identifiers of critical equipment for 3247 02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:43,120 example. So um we we didn't get that 3248 02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:44,720 process complete and that's why those 3249 02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:46,560 reports aren't attached but the summary 3250 02:20:46,560 --> 02:20:48,640 is there so that you at least have that 3251 02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:51,280 information to refer to uh until we can 3252 02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:53,120 get the reports in a publicly 3253 02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:57,200 presentable uh fashion. So the intent of 3254 02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:00,800 those reports was to evaluate the 3255 02:21:00,800 --> 02:21:03,600 ventilation um and heating and cooling 3256 02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:06,000 systems in the two buildings the parks 3257 02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:07,600 and wreck building and the public works 3258 02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:10,479 building. I'm probably going to refer to 3259 02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:13,120 cold storage. That's the parks building. 3260 02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:15,439 Um, that's where we park our snow plows 3261 02:21:15,439 --> 02:21:17,200 in the winter to keep them out of the 3262 02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:19,920 snow. It's an unheated, unserviceed 3263 02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:22,240 building with the exception of hydro. 3264 02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:24,240 Um, but it does keep the snow off the 3265 02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,240 vehicles in the ambient temperature in 3266 02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:29,359 the bay. Keeps the temperature close to 3267 02:21:29,359 --> 02:21:31,359 zero, which makes starting the trucks a 3268 02:21:31,359 --> 02:21:32,880 little bit easier than they would if 3269 02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:35,280 they were parked outside at minus40. We 3270 02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:37,600 also can't park our snow plows outside 3271 02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:39,280 because they are ready to plow when 3272 02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:41,520 weather starts. So, they're filled with 3273 02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:44,000 uh sand or sweet mix or salt or a 3274 02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,319 combination thereof. And if those are 3275 02:21:46,319 --> 02:21:48,399 outside and they get wet, they turn into 3276 02:21:48,399 --> 02:21:50,560 cement in the box and then we can't uh 3277 02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:52,160 actually spread anything. So, we do need 3278 02:21:52,160 --> 02:21:54,319 to keep those vehicles inside so they're 3279 02:21:54,319 --> 02:21:57,200 ready to roll. So, if you have questions 3280 02:21:57,200 --> 02:22:00,160 about the actual report findings in 3281 02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:02,240 detail, I'm sure Jake would be happy to 3282 02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:04,720 entertain them. The main purpose of 3283 02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:07,920 today is to get approval to uh complete 3284 02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:11,040 some immediate uh remediation to the 3285 02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:13,200 spaces to ensure that our workers are 3286 02:22:13,200 --> 02:22:14,960 safe in those spaces while future 3287 02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:18,000 decisions about public works and parks 3288 02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,479 uh continue to be contemplated. 3289 02:22:20,479 --> 02:22:23,439 So both buildings miserably failed 3290 02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:25,520 ventilation assessments. There is 3291 02:22:25,520 --> 02:22:28,479 inadequate ventilation uh for staff in 3292 02:22:28,479 --> 02:22:30,319 both buildings when there are vehicles 3293 02:22:30,319 --> 02:22:32,319 running in those buildings particularly 3294 02:22:32,319 --> 02:22:36,080 in cold startup conditions. 3295 02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:38,240 The uh public works building or the 3296 02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:41,520 garage uh does have a ventilation system 3297 02:22:41,520 --> 02:22:44,160 although it is not appropriately sized 3298 02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:46,240 for the use that we have in the 3299 02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:48,720 building. uh and a couple components of 3300 02:22:48,720 --> 02:22:51,120 that system have failed. But there is a 3301 02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:53,600 ventilation system there which can 3302 02:22:53,600 --> 02:22:55,600 safely allow workers to work in that 3303 02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:57,680 space providing that a number of other 3304 02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:00,240 procedures are put in place such as 3305 02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:02,240 keeping certain doors closed at all 3306 02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:06,319 times. So um exhaust fumes from one area 3307 02:23:06,319 --> 02:23:08,000 can't get into another area of the 3308 02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:09,760 building because of the door stops and 3309 02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:11,920 the and the seals around the doors. So 3310 02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:13,280 we will be working with our joint 3311 02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:15,359 occupational health and safety committee 3312 02:23:15,359 --> 02:23:19,040 to uh identify those business procedures 3313 02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:21,760 to ensure um that staff can safely work 3314 02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:23,120 in that building and we aren't 3315 02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:25,439 recommending any immediate remediation 3316 02:23:25,439 --> 02:23:27,680 in that building beyond those procedure 3317 02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:31,200 procedures at this time. However, the 3318 02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:33,280 cold storage building has zero 3319 02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:35,840 ventilation and there is absolutely no 3320 02:23:35,840 --> 02:23:37,600 way that we can put enough worker 3321 02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:40,319 controls and safety procedures in place 3322 02:23:40,319 --> 02:23:43,120 to allow trucks to run in that space in 3323 02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:46,319 the cold to um air up so that they can 3324 02:23:46,319 --> 02:23:48,399 be moved, which is the practice now. You 3325 02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:50,160 have to start a diesel truck and let it 3326 02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:54,160 run for a number of minutes um to en to 3327 02:23:54,160 --> 02:23:56,000 allow the air tanks to build up enough 3328 02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:57,680 pressure so that you can engage the 3329 02:23:57,680 --> 02:23:59,920 drive system and move the vehicle out of 3330 02:23:59,920 --> 02:24:02,399 the garage. Um so while that's happening 3331 02:24:02,399 --> 02:24:04,319 all the exhaust from those trucks is 3332 02:24:04,319 --> 02:24:06,960 accumulating in that building um with no 3333 02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:08,960 ventilation. 3334 02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:12,000 So, our proposal for that issue is to 3335 02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:15,840 install a a self-contained um or not a 3336 02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:19,280 self-contained, but an air system um an 3337 02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:20,960 independent air system independent of 3338 02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:23,600 the building. Um, that will allow us to 3339 02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:25,920 hook each of the trucks to an air 3340 02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:28,080 compressor system through a through a 3341 02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:30,319 hose and a connection to the air tank to 3342 02:24:30,319 --> 02:24:32,800 keep the air tanks in the truck full 3343 02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:34,960 enough that someone can get in, turn the 3344 02:24:34,960 --> 02:24:36,560 key, put it in, drive, and drive out of 3345 02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:38,000 the building and close the door, 3346 02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:40,000 minimizing the amount of exhaust that 3347 02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:41,920 accumulates inside that building to keep 3348 02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:44,880 it at a safe level for workers. Once the 3349 02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:46,640 trucks are out of the buildings, then 3350 02:24:46,640 --> 02:24:48,640 workers can complete any remaining 3351 02:24:48,640 --> 02:24:51,760 safety check things, um any adjustments 3352 02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:54,080 that they might need to make, um any 3353 02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:55,520 improvements that can all be done 3354 02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:57,439 outside the building safely where there 3355 02:24:57,439 --> 02:24:59,520 is fresh air, which provides adequate 3356 02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:02,880 ventilation and uh minimizes or 3357 02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:05,439 eliminates exposure to um diesel 3358 02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:08,640 emissions uh from those trucks. So, the 3359 02:25:08,640 --> 02:25:12,160 cost to do that includes a compressor, a 3360 02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:13,760 large compressor, as it will have to 3361 02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:15,840 service a number of trucks, the hose 3362 02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:19,200 reels that will allow the hoses to uh be 3363 02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:21,280 pulled out and retract when they're not 3364 02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:23,120 needed so they aren't in a way causing 3365 02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:25,120 another health and safety issue, and 3366 02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:26,880 then the fittings that those hoses 3367 02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:28,960 connect to the vehicles to to allow the 3368 02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:31,840 air to remain in those tanks. This is 3369 02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:33,520 not a new system. It's not something we 3370 02:25:33,520 --> 02:25:35,760 made up. Uh the fire departments use 3371 02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:37,680 those to keep those fire trucks so that 3372 02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:39,359 when they get a call, they can jump in 3373 02:25:39,359 --> 02:25:41,439 them and hit drive and go. They don't 3374 02:25:41,439 --> 02:25:43,120 have to wait 10 or 15 minutes for the 3375 02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:44,479 trucks to warm up before they can 3376 02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:46,800 respond to a call. So basically, we're 3377 02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:48,479 going to implement the system that fireh 3378 02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:51,040 halls use to make sure that those trucks 3379 02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:52,880 are ready to roll as soon as someone 3380 02:25:52,880 --> 02:25:55,680 gets in them and turns a key. 3381 02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:59,680 Uh the other issue is our pigeons and we 3382 02:25:59,680 --> 02:26:01,840 love our pigeons and we don't want any 3383 02:26:01,840 --> 02:26:03,600 harm to come to the pigeons but they 3384 02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:06,399 cannot reside inside the building. Um 3385 02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:08,560 the pigeons pose a significant health 3386 02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:12,960 and safety risk not because of the birds 3387 02:26:12,960 --> 02:26:14,880 themselves but because of the things the 3388 02:26:14,880 --> 02:26:18,319 birds leave behind. Um so we need to 3389 02:26:18,319 --> 02:26:20,319 remove the birds from the building. 3390 02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:23,520 however, a pest control company does 3391 02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:26,399 that and then clean up the mess that the 3392 02:26:26,399 --> 02:26:30,479 birds have left behind and cover the um 3393 02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:32,080 points of entry. So, there are some 3394 02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:35,120 windows up high that are broken or 3395 02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:36,720 accessible that will need to be closed 3396 02:26:36,720 --> 02:26:38,960 in. Um, we'll probably need to put some 3397 02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:42,800 kind of bird stopper devices on the 3398 02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:44,960 ledges and the sills so they can't land 3399 02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:46,960 and sit there and and basically do 3400 02:26:46,960 --> 02:26:49,200 everything that we can to encourage them 3401 02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:52,479 not to come back once we evict them. Uh 3402 02:26:52,479 --> 02:26:54,720 so again that will [clears throat] 3403 02:26:54,720 --> 02:26:57,120 require the services of a professional 3404 02:26:57,120 --> 02:26:58,960 pest control company and we would like 3405 02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:03,680 to engage that immediately to get the pests out of the building uh as 3406 02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:05,760 quickly as we can uh in the most 3407 02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:08,560 appropriate manner to do that. So those 3408 02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:10,240 are the two recommendations in my 3409 02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:12,720 report. I am happy to answer questions 3410 02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:14,880 if you have any. We have met with our 3411 02:27:14,880 --> 02:27:16,479 joint occupational health and safety 3412 02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:19,520 committee um and shared these health 3413 02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:22,240 concerns or worker risks with them as we 3414 02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:24,160 are obligated to do when we become aware 3415 02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:26,560 of a risk. They are aware of these two 3416 02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:28,479 recommendations coming forward today and 3417 02:27:28,479 --> 02:27:30,800 are supportive of these interim measures 3418 02:27:30,800 --> 02:27:32,720 until we can identify a permanent 3419 02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:35,840 solution for the um myriad of challenges 3420 02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:37,439 that those buildings are providing right 3421 02:27:37,439 --> 02:27:40,000 now. Just a point of clarification, this 3422 02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:42,240 compressor can be relocated in the 3423 02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:44,800 future to another facility. Okay. 3424 02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:47,359 >> It can. It's not installed as a fixture 3425 02:27:47,359 --> 02:27:49,359 in the building. It's a standalone 3426 02:27:49,359 --> 02:27:51,359 component. So, it's as simple as taking 3427 02:27:51,359 --> 02:27:53,600 the screws out of the hose reels and 3428 02:27:53,600 --> 02:27:56,160 putting the compressor on a probably 3429 02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:57,760 heavy duty dolly. It'll be a big 3430 02:27:57,760 --> 02:27:59,280 compressor and moving it out of the 3431 02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:00,000 building. 3432 02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:01,680 >> Councilman, you had a question. 3433 02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:03,760 >> Not a question, but a comment. I I just 3434 02:28:03,760 --> 02:28:05,359 think the health and welfare and safety 3435 02:28:05,359 --> 02:28:07,840 of our staff is utmost. 3436 02:28:07,840 --> 02:28:11,200 I think that's a no-brainer. 3437 02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:14,080 All in favor? So pass. Thank you very 3438 02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:15,920 much. Yeah, many things. 3439 02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:18,800 >> Just a a sidebar comment on this is that 3440 02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:22,800 we uh have been working with our MPP 3441 02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:25,920 uh and with staff from um Infrastructure 3442 02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:28,640 Ontario to try to finalize something 3443 02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:31,920 with either we have potential to stay 3444 02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:34,080 here under favorable circumstances or to 3445 02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:38,160 uh to leave the building. Um and it's 3446 02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:41,439 been a very long drawn out process. Um 3447 02:28:41,439 --> 02:28:44,479 even um our MPP thought there was a 3448 02:28:44,479 --> 02:28:47,680 resolution and it didn't uh turn out 3449 02:28:47,680 --> 02:28:49,760 quite the way it didn't even turn out 3450 02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:52,000 never mind turn out the way there was a 3451 02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:54,399 some communications error. So uh we're 3452 02:28:54,399 --> 02:28:56,160 still dealing with that on that front 3453 02:28:56,160 --> 02:28:57,680 there. And part and parcel of the 3454 02:28:57,680 --> 02:29:00,000 original report that came through was on 3455 02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:03,680 the uh uh the fire side as well. And uh 3456 02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:06,399 currently the uh fire service review is 3457 02:29:06,399 --> 02:29:10,319 underway and I would imagine that it'll 3458 02:29:10,319 --> 02:29:14,479 come sometime before the end of third 3459 02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:16,080 hopefully in August council. So we'll 3460 02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:18,720 have a bit a bit bigger picture on that 3461 02:29:18,720 --> 02:29:21,120 as well. So yes, 3462 02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:22,399 >> what has the cost of all these 3463 02:29:22,399 --> 02:29:25,439 assessments been to date? 3464 02:29:25,439 --> 02:29:30,550 >> Was it in there? I missed it. 3465 02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:31,200 Um 3466 02:29:31,200 --> 02:29:33,760 >> I don't have it handy. I do think that 3467 02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:36,640 uh the initial costs of this one were in 3468 02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:39,600 the 2025 report when you approved moving 3469 02:29:39,600 --> 02:29:44,790 forward with them. 3470 02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:47,520 Uh $13,350 3471 02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:49,600 for the first building envelope 3472 02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:52,319 assessment summary reports. I don't have 3473 02:29:52,319 --> 02:29:56,880 the amount of these newest uh reports 3474 02:29:56,880 --> 02:30:02,160 in the report. So, um I I I can't 3475 02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:02,800 confidently 3476 02:30:02,800 --> 02:30:04,479 >> No worries. I just was curious if we 3477 02:30:04,479 --> 02:30:08,070 were kind of within 3478 02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:08,720 » Yes. 3479 02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:10,880 >> Okay. Yeah. That but I mean all the 3480 02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:13,120 >> in the report he keeps referring to 3481 02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:14,800 2025. 3482 02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:16,720 >> Did they do this study a year ago? I 3483 02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:18,399 thought they just did the initial. I 3484 02:30:18,399 --> 02:30:19,520 believe 3485 02:30:19,520 --> 02:30:21,439 >> the building assessment reports were 3486 02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:24,399 done in 2025 and the ventilation reports 3487 02:30:24,399 --> 02:30:26,399 were completed this year based on those 3488 02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:28,319 2025 building condition assessment. 3489 02:30:28,319 --> 02:30:29,680 >> Yeah, after we got the first report, we 3490 02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:31,680 asked them to go back and provide us 3491 02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:33,280 with further information on the air 3492 02:30:33,280 --> 02:30:36,640 quality. Okay, we did vote on that. 3493 02:30:36,640 --> 02:30:38,960 >> Okay, thank you. Item E, recreation and 3494 02:30:38,960 --> 02:30:41,120 data project community survey results. 3495 02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:43,200 So the resolution before us is be it 3496 02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:44,560 resolved the council of the corporation 3497 02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:46,560 town of bank for office by received this 3498 02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:48,800 report and presentation for information 3499 02:30:48,800 --> 02:30:50,240 purposes only. Could I have a mover in a 3500 02:30:50,240 --> 02:30:51,680 secondary to put it on the floor please? 3501 02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:53,920 Deputy mayor and secondary councelor 3502 02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:56,800 Eastman Sarah the floor is yours. 3503 02:30:56,800 --> 02:30:58,160 >> Good afternoon your worship and members 3504 02:30:58,160 --> 02:31:00,160 of council. 3505 02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:02,640 I'll just wait until uh our clerk can 3506 02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:05,120 get the presentation up on uh on the 3507 02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:07,520 wall here. 3508 02:31:07,520 --> 02:31:09,280 So, I'm here today to provide you with a 3509 02:31:09,280 --> 02:31:12,000 summary um the initial summary of the 3510 02:31:12,000 --> 02:31:13,840 recreation and data project that we put 3511 02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:16,240 out to the community. Um the 3512 02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:17,600 presentation that we're going to go 3513 02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:19,600 through uh undertake undertake kind of 3514 02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:21,520 the key findings, community input and 3515 02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:24,160 outlines and next steps and supports and 3516 02:31:24,160 --> 02:31:25,760 directing staff to advance 3517 02:31:25,760 --> 02:31:28,240 implementation, further engagement and 3518 02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:30,640 priority actions. 3519 02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:33,040 So, we took this on as part of I think 3520 02:31:33,040 --> 02:31:36,399 it was uh Andrea's in February 2026 when 3521 02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:37,920 she kind of brought it forward to kind 3522 02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:40,399 of undertake sort of initial data 3523 02:31:40,399 --> 02:31:42,080 collection around our park and rec 3524 02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:44,319 facilities and culture plan. Um we're 3525 02:31:44,319 --> 02:31:46,000 kind of in phase one of collecting the 3526 02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:47,840 information. So, we launched the public 3527 02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:50,560 anonymous survey um to gather input from 3528 02:31:50,560 --> 02:31:52,960 residents, seasonal residents, visitors, 3529 02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:55,280 anyone who would scan our QR code and do 3530 02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:58,399 the survey. Um, so if we can flip to the 3531 02:31:58,399 --> 02:32:00,399 next one and our five key insights that 3532 02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:04,399 we found from our 206 survey respondents 3533 02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:06,479 were 3534 02:32:06,479 --> 02:32:09,439 I know thank you councelor Miles it was 3535 02:32:09,439 --> 02:32:12,319 very good that we did get engagement um 3536 02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:15,280 that our system is widely used and it 3537 02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:17,840 matters in our everyday life. Our 3538 02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:19,760 strongest assets are our parks, our 3539 02:32:19,760 --> 02:32:22,240 gathering spaces, events, trails and 3540 02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:25,520 outdoor experiences. The public is not 3541 02:32:25,520 --> 02:32:28,160 calling for wholesale change. It they're 3542 02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:30,399 asking it asking the town to strengthen 3543 02:32:30,399 --> 02:32:32,880 what we already have. The biggest 3544 02:32:32,880 --> 02:32:36,399 barriers are practable, solvable, cost, 3545 02:32:36,399 --> 02:32:38,240 communication, seasonal limits, and 3546 02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:40,319 program availability. And that our 3547 02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:42,240 recreation and culture system serves 3548 02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:44,319 more than our town residents. It 3549 02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:46,560 functions as a broader regional asset. 3550 02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:48,080 And I'm sure nothing there surprises 3551 02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:49,920 anyone around the table or anyone behind 3552 02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:52,240 me. Um, it's just nice to hear it from 3553 02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:54,240 the community that everyone's kind of on 3554 02:32:54,240 --> 02:32:57,200 the same page. So, this was exciting for 3555 02:32:57,200 --> 02:32:58,800 myself who normally has been doing 3556 02:32:58,800 --> 02:33:00,720 surveys and normally our demographics, 3557 02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:03,439 we usually get a lot of response that 3558 02:33:03,439 --> 02:33:05,200 matches our regional demographics, which 3559 02:33:05,200 --> 02:33:06,880 would be our senior population, but we 3560 02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:08,399 took a very targeted approach and 3561 02:33:08,399 --> 02:33:10,479 ensured that we emailed it out to our 3562 02:33:10,479 --> 02:33:12,240 partner agencies, emailed it out to our 3563 02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:14,960 user groups, making sure that we got 3564 02:33:14,960 --> 02:33:16,720 some responses. So you will see that the 3565 02:33:16,720 --> 02:33:18,319 majority of our responses have come from 3566 02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:21,840 our 25 to 50 year old age range which we 3567 02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:23,680 definitely got a great response cuz 3568 02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:25,040 those are the people with family with 3569 02:33:25,040 --> 02:33:29,120 children. So that was a great response. 3570 02:33:29,120 --> 02:33:32,800 So you'll see kind of we did um kind of 3571 02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:35,520 broke it up around who is here. Most 3572 02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:37,920 respondents were year-round residents, 3573 02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:39,439 63%, 3574 02:33:39,439 --> 02:33:42,160 but 33% did live outside of Braftoft, 3575 02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:44,319 but use our parks regularly and our 3576 02:33:44,319 --> 02:33:46,880 cultural spaces and showing that's just 3577 02:33:46,880 --> 02:33:48,399 showing that we're using both the local 3578 02:33:48,399 --> 02:33:51,359 and regional users. So, we also asked to 3579 02:33:51,359 --> 02:33:53,439 break it down by our regional townships 3580 02:33:53,439 --> 02:33:57,439 and around the area. So, um nonraftoft 3581 02:33:57,439 --> 02:33:59,760 residents, the largest shares, no 3582 02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:01,600 surprise, came from Hastings Highlands, 3583 02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:05,600 45% and Faraday, 32%. So, we all know 3584 02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:07,359 how close those are as our neighbors. 3585 02:34:07,359 --> 02:34:09,040 Um, so of course they're utilizing our 3586 02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:14,080 assets on a regular ongoing basis. 3587 02:34:14,080 --> 02:34:17,866 Pardon? 3588 02:34:17,876 --> 02:34:19,359 [laughter] 3589 02:34:19,359 --> 02:34:21,040 >> So, this was another great one that we 3590 02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:23,200 got. We got some information around 3591 02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:25,200 families and children with children with 3592 02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:27,280 youth or caregiving. So, it was a nice 3593 02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:30,319 kind of cross range of information. um 3594 02:34:30,319 --> 02:34:32,960 basically a 50% breakdown of who had 3595 02:34:32,960 --> 02:34:35,520 children, who didn't and we also 3596 02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:36,880 captured around whether there was doing 3597 02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:38,000 we were doing the people were doing 3598 02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:39,520 caregiving within their household to 3599 02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:43,510 capture that different demographic. 3600 02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:46,640 So the why people are coming to 3601 02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:48,720 Braftoft, why are they coming to our 3602 02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:52,080 area? Um basically was like people come 3603 02:34:52,080 --> 02:34:54,560 every day for living, events, 3604 02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:56,800 recreation, and access to the facilities 3605 02:34:56,800 --> 02:34:58,399 and programs that we offer within our 3606 02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:00,640 community. This shows that our community 3607 02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:03,040 serves both local daily life and as a 3608 02:35:03,040 --> 02:35:05,600 destination for activity, connection and 3609 02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:08,399 experience. 3610 02:35:08,399 --> 02:35:11,520 So why are people using our places? Why 3611 02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:14,000 are they coming here? Why are they using 3612 02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:15,760 our parks, recreation and culture 3613 02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:18,399 spaces? Our spaces are most used for 3614 02:35:18,399 --> 02:35:20,800 events and festivals, specific 3615 02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:23,680 facilities, and time outdoors. The 3616 02:35:23,680 --> 02:35:25,760 strongest reason that came out on top 3617 02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:28,319 was events, facilities, and our outdoor 3618 02:35:28,319 --> 02:35:30,479 experiences, which shouldn't surprise 3619 02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:33,920 anyone either. So, what spaces are used? 3620 02:35:33,920 --> 02:35:36,319 Our community parks and gathering spaces 3621 02:35:36,319 --> 02:35:38,319 are used most. We have a fair amount of 3622 02:35:38,319 --> 02:35:39,840 them. So, those would be things like 3623 02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:42,000 Millennium Park, our community center, 3624 02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:44,160 any of those type of community areas. 3625 02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:46,240 Um, and then followed by a strong use of 3626 02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:48,560 trails. Um, I will at some point present 3627 02:35:48,560 --> 02:35:49,600 the data compared to other 3628 02:35:49,600 --> 02:35:51,680 municipalities, but I will let you in 3629 02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:53,040 that we have a higher proportion of 3630 02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:54,479 trails than any other municipality of 3631 02:35:54,479 --> 02:35:57,359 Ontario. So, multi-use trails, just the 3632 02:35:57,359 --> 02:36:00,080 amount of kilometers that we have and 3633 02:36:00,080 --> 02:36:03,520 waterfront spaces. So, frequency of use. 3634 02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:05,359 Um, I think this one kind of surprised 3635 02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:06,720 me that people were actually using our 3636 02:36:06,720 --> 02:36:10,160 spaces like weekly, like a lot weekly 3637 02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:11,520 and monthly. That's a lot of people 3638 02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:13,439 using them every day in whatever whether 3639 02:36:13,439 --> 02:36:16,399 that's Millennium or Eagle's Nest um the 3640 02:36:16,399 --> 02:36:18,880 arena any of those kind of location 3641 02:36:18,880 --> 02:36:24,790 active and everyday part of life. 3642 02:36:24,800 --> 02:36:27,280 So we also looked at kind of um events 3643 02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:29,680 and event attendance. Um we know that 3644 02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:31,200 we've been there's been many more events 3645 02:36:31,200 --> 02:36:32,640 happening in our local parks in our 3646 02:36:32,640 --> 02:36:35,280 local areas and they're attending 3647 02:36:35,280 --> 02:36:36,960 frequently occasionally. They love to 3648 02:36:36,960 --> 02:36:38,960 come for the farmers market, um, 3649 02:36:38,960 --> 02:36:41,040 community markets, things like that. 3650 02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:42,800 They also like to come for our seasonal 3651 02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:45,280 events, indigenous expo, jamberee, rally 3652 02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:47,840 of the top lines. They're a major draw, 3653 02:36:47,840 --> 02:36:50,000 but also Canada Day and Santa Claus 3654 02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:51,680 parade. Definitely something else that 3655 02:36:51,680 --> 02:36:54,319 our residents and beyond our residents 3656 02:36:54,319 --> 02:36:57,200 attend. 3657 02:36:57,200 --> 02:36:59,920 So, we also asked why, like what would 3658 02:36:59,920 --> 02:37:02,640 make you come out more? Um, of course, 3659 02:37:02,640 --> 02:37:04,319 everyone's saying more variety. we can't 3660 02:37:04,319 --> 02:37:06,479 keep everyone happy. So, more variety, 3661 02:37:06,479 --> 02:37:08,640 also more rear 3662 02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:11,359 year yearround options. Um, a few 3663 02:37:11,359 --> 02:37:12,640 comments kind of like why can't Eagles 3664 02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:14,160 Nest be open in the winter and all those 3665 02:37:14,160 --> 02:37:16,960 types of things. Better affordability 3666 02:37:16,960 --> 02:37:20,800 would drive higher event attendance. 3667 02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:22,800 So, I did do one on the trails cuz we 3668 02:37:22,800 --> 02:37:24,560 asked specifically because we do have a 3669 02:37:24,560 --> 02:37:26,560 very high proportionate amount of 3670 02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:29,680 kilometers. Um, you know, most people 3671 02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:31,840 are walking on them or hiking on them, 3672 02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:34,960 running, cycling. Um, what I will worry 3673 02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:37,280 about in this particular slide is I 3674 02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:40,000 launched this in the summer. So, I maybe 3675 02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:42,560 didn't get those winter snow, you know, 3676 02:37:42,560 --> 02:37:44,399 snowshoeing or winter ping. So, it is 3677 02:37:44,399 --> 02:37:47,680 kind of not really confident in this 3678 02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:49,200 when they weren't here. I mean, it'd be 3679 02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:50,479 neat to kind of launch it again in the 3680 02:37:50,479 --> 02:37:52,479 winter season. I mean, I did send it out 3681 02:37:52,479 --> 02:37:54,399 to our partners that, you know, snow 3682 02:37:54,399 --> 02:37:56,000 riders and those types of things, but 3683 02:37:56,000 --> 02:37:58,240 they're not as active in June. Yes, 3684 02:37:58,240 --> 02:37:59,920 >> I actually think 3685 02:37:59,920 --> 02:38:03,200 >> Oh, Mike. Um the the stewards for the 3686 02:38:03,200 --> 02:38:05,280 Eagles Nest actually did a survey I 3687 02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:07,120 don't know 10 or 12 years ago. Chris 3688 02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:09,760 Durst has all that information and I 3689 02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:12,560 think that that would be the same 3690 02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:15,040 >> even in the winter. I don't know that 3691 02:38:15,040 --> 02:38:17,040 there that we there's there's a belief 3692 02:38:17,040 --> 02:38:18,960 that the ATV and snowmobile would drive 3693 02:38:18,960 --> 02:38:21,200 those things up because of wintertime. I 3694 02:38:21,200 --> 02:38:22,880 don't actually think that's the case and 3695 02:38:22,880 --> 02:38:23,840 maybe not. Right. And that would be 3696 02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:25,040 interesting. I mean people still walk in 3697 02:38:25,040 --> 02:38:27,520 the snow, right? So we don't know that 3698 02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:28,960 for a fact but I just wanted to throw 3699 02:38:28,960 --> 02:38:30,960 that out there. 3700 02:38:30,960 --> 02:38:32,399 And 3701 02:38:32,399 --> 02:38:33,760 yes, the Eagle's Nest, they have some 3702 02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:35,439 great data that I'll be able to share in 3703 02:38:35,439 --> 02:38:39,520 another council meeting of kind of what we're seeing in those those areas. 3704 02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:41,600 So, next was the experience that our 3705 02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:44,800 users have. So, how well they function. 3706 02:38:44,800 --> 02:38:46,720 Let's look at the half happy happiness 3707 02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:49,520 there. Over half are saying mostly well. 3708 02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:51,280 We're doing okay. Then we have another 3709 02:38:51,280 --> 02:38:54,479 25% are doing very well. So, if we're 3710 02:38:54,479 --> 02:38:56,560 looking at 75%, we're doing above board. 3711 02:38:56,560 --> 02:38:58,080 Let's let's let's give ourselves a pat 3712 02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:00,560 on the back. But some are also saying 3713 02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:02,399 that we're doing adequate but we could 3714 02:39:02,399 --> 02:39:04,319 with some limitations. So I think that's 3715 02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:06,960 a very proud thing we can say especially 3716 02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:08,479 without a recreation committee 3717 02:39:08,479 --> 02:39:11,600 especially without any kind of extra 3718 02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:13,520 information. I mean yes we have an 3719 02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:15,920 amazing team of staff here that look 3720 02:39:15,920 --> 02:39:18,479 after these spaces but not a dedicated 3721 02:39:18,479 --> 02:39:21,200 person organizing events. overall 3722 02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:22,960 experience 3723 02:39:22,960 --> 02:39:26,160 functional but aging system with a 3724 02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:28,399 strong foundation clear opportunities 3725 02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:31,359 for targeted improvement. So as I said 3726 02:39:31,359 --> 02:39:33,520 in the beginning we have a great base 3727 02:39:33,520 --> 02:39:35,920 here we just need to maintain it 3728 02:39:35,920 --> 02:39:37,840 increase it and we will have more usage 3729 02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:39,920 and more happiness I guess or 3730 02:39:39,920 --> 02:39:41,520 contentment 3731 02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:45,920 barriers um were practable practical and 3732 02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:48,720 solvable. So yes, user fees came up of 3733 02:39:48,720 --> 02:39:52,080 course, um cost, there was also limited 3734 02:39:52,080 --> 02:39:56,240 program time, lack of awareness, all the 3735 02:39:56,240 --> 02:39:58,560 common um themes that normally come up 3736 02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:00,560 around barriers came up. Transportation 3737 02:40:00,560 --> 02:40:03,120 came up as well and access 3738 02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:04,640 um and another thing it was the winter 3739 02:40:04,640 --> 02:40:06,720 use piece. Um I wasn't sure since I 3740 02:40:06,720 --> 02:40:08,319 launched it in the summer whether the 3741 02:40:08,319 --> 02:40:10,080 four season thing wasn't captured in 3742 02:40:10,080 --> 02:40:13,120 there. So just a thing that you know put 3743 02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:16,000 away in the back of your mind. 3744 02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:18,319 So um the priorities we asked the users 3745 02:40:18,319 --> 02:40:21,359 that did the survey you know where you 3746 02:40:21,359 --> 02:40:23,520 know what input could they give around 3747 02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:25,439 um you know what where should we invest 3748 02:40:25,439 --> 02:40:28,240 our money. So in top top investment pro 3749 02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:30,720 were maintaining what we have looking at 3750 02:40:30,720 --> 02:40:34,479 yearround um use and increasing or 3751 02:40:34,479 --> 02:40:37,439 maintaining our trails and water access. 3752 02:40:37,439 --> 02:40:39,680 Um they want improvements that maintain 3753 02:40:39,680 --> 02:40:42,479 our core while enhancing four season and 3754 02:40:42,479 --> 02:40:45,040 outdoor access. And then the other one 3755 02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:47,760 was strengthen what we have and targeted 3756 02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:50,080 new additions. So don't create anything 3757 02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:52,399 new big and bold just work with what 3758 02:40:52,399 --> 02:40:54,720 we've got. 3759 02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:58,800 So I do have um it was great that half 3760 02:40:58,800 --> 02:41:01,200 of the respondents left comments. Some 3761 02:41:01,200 --> 02:41:03,120 from very simple comments to very 3762 02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:06,240 lengthy comments um very passionate and 3763 02:41:06,240 --> 02:41:08,000 engaged as we found in the last survey 3764 02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:10,479 that we did. Um they reinforced the 3765 02:41:10,479 --> 02:41:12,240 survey findings around facilities, more 3766 02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:13,920 youth and family programs, stronger 3767 02:41:13,920 --> 02:41:16,479 trails, waterfront access, 3768 02:41:16,479 --> 02:41:19,200 um and emphasize making assets work 3769 02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,040 better, more affordability and 3770 02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:24,319 accessible year round. 3771 02:41:24,319 --> 02:41:26,960 So I put the uh the foundations kind of 3772 02:41:26,960 --> 02:41:28,479 around the comments and the passion of 3773 02:41:28,479 --> 02:41:31,200 the pe of the people. Um, so we can look 3774 02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:33,920 at removing practical barriers to build 3775 02:41:33,920 --> 02:41:36,080 confidence in our public spaces, unlock 3776 02:41:36,080 --> 02:41:39,280 forces season use and program for all 3777 02:41:39,280 --> 02:41:41,120 ages. Let's just not focus on one 3778 02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:43,200 demographic here. Um, and you'll see 3779 02:41:43,200 --> 02:41:45,040 some of the comments around the outside 3780 02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:49,200 pulled exactly and directly from the users are, you know, kind of 3781 02:41:49,200 --> 02:41:51,680 back those up. 3782 02:41:51,680 --> 02:41:54,399 And the last page is the feeling. Um, 3783 02:41:54,399 --> 02:41:56,160 I'm all about the feeling. the feeling 3784 02:41:56,160 --> 02:41:58,080 about the feedback and the you know who 3785 02:41:58,080 --> 02:41:59,680 filled these out because we don't know 3786 02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:02,960 it's anonymous but there was concern 3787 02:42:02,960 --> 02:42:04,960 there was hope 3788 02:42:04,960 --> 02:42:06,960 there was passion and there was caring 3789 02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:09,120 and I think that echoes um who sits 3790 02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:11,040 around this table who sits behind me who 3791 02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:12,880 works with us every day but it also 3792 02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:14,640 reflects our community that we're 3793 02:42:14,640 --> 02:42:16,319 engaged in what we're doing and that 3794 02:42:16,319 --> 02:42:20,000 they see hope for the future. 3795 02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:23,280 So next steps um would be first off 3796 02:42:23,280 --> 02:42:24,640 sharing with you guys and see where we 3797 02:42:24,640 --> 02:42:27,359 go from there. Um and close the feedback 3798 02:42:27,359 --> 02:42:29,920 loop. So report back um because proper 3799 02:42:29,920 --> 02:42:32,399 engagement in you know is not one way. 3800 02:42:32,399 --> 02:42:33,840 It needs to be two ways. So we need to 3801 02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:35,760 report this back to our partners. Report 3802 02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:39,040 this back to the community um of what's 3803 02:42:39,040 --> 02:42:42,240 needed. Use these to see where we need 3804 02:42:42,240 --> 02:42:45,200 to move forward. So as I said youth and 3805 02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:46,399 family we don't usually get a lot of 3806 02:42:46,399 --> 02:42:47,600 feedback from youth and family but nice 3807 02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:48,800 to reach out and go what does that look 3808 02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:50,000 like? reach out to our senior 3809 02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:51,680 population, reach out to those targeted 3810 02:42:51,680 --> 02:42:54,319 partners that we have. Engage so no one 3811 02:42:54,319 --> 02:42:56,399 can say, "I didn't know." Even though 3812 02:42:56,399 --> 02:42:58,640 they will. [laughter] Um, and ask kind 3813 02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:01,600 of more detailed, deep diving questions. 3814 02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:03,600 Look at comparing our results with other 3815 02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:06,160 recreation plans, how they look. You 3816 02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:08,479 know, Val said we got great at 206, but 3817 02:43:08,479 --> 02:43:11,600 what does that mean? Did West get 500? 3818 02:43:11,600 --> 02:43:14,319 Did we do about right? See what see what 3819 02:43:14,319 --> 02:43:16,319 other communities are doing. And then 3820 02:43:16,319 --> 02:43:18,880 also um I've done a kind of a quick look 3821 02:43:18,880 --> 02:43:21,439 over our comments for quick wins, things 3822 02:43:21,439 --> 02:43:23,520 that we can improve in communication. 3823 02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:25,120 Couple parent I didn't know there was a 3824 02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:27,520 free summer camp. I didn't know that 3825 02:43:27,520 --> 02:43:29,680 Millennium Park was open every day. I 3826 02:43:29,680 --> 02:43:32,800 didn't know. So we can kind of come up 3827 02:43:32,800 --> 02:43:35,040 with those practical fix the foundations 3828 02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:37,840 things. Um people don't know that you 3829 02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:40,000 can, you know, use our sites and for you 3830 02:43:40,000 --> 02:43:41,920 know low or limited cost. Yes, we got 3831 02:43:41,920 --> 02:43:44,160 the money cost, but could be directed to 3832 02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:47,359 one particular asset and other assets we 3833 02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:50,640 have in our community. 3834 02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:53,040 So, I know it's been a long meeting, but 3835 02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:54,479 does anyone have any questions or 3836 02:43:54,479 --> 02:43:56,399 comments? 3837 02:43:56,399 --> 02:43:57,359 >> A comment. 3838 02:43:57,359 --> 02:44:02,160 >> Oh, excellent. Okay. Um back in 2018 we 3839 02:44:02,160 --> 02:44:04,800 did our economic development uh 3840 02:44:04,800 --> 02:44:08,160 strategic plan of making our future 3841 02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:11,279 >> and from the the part that was sort of 3842 02:44:11,279 --> 02:44:13,279 absent from that was on the recreation 3843 02:44:13,279 --> 02:44:15,439 side it wasn't really part of it but it 3844 02:44:15,439 --> 02:44:17,680 was sort of the thing. So when Andre and 3845 02:44:17,680 --> 02:44:20,560 I started this discussion about having 3846 02:44:20,560 --> 02:44:24,319 uh an you know recreation master plan um 3847 02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:26,640 we we grabbed a few examples from other 3848 02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:28,880 municipalities etc. And that's what led 3849 02:44:28,880 --> 02:44:31,200 this backing up this is the first step 3850 02:44:31,200 --> 02:44:34,240 is that survey. So uh I would like to 3851 02:44:34,240 --> 02:44:37,040 see us um you know think about moving 3852 02:44:37,040 --> 02:44:39,359 forward with that sort of master plan 3853 02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:41,040 and a master plan is what it is. It 3854 02:44:41,040 --> 02:44:43,120 doesn't mean you do it tomorrow etc. 3855 02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:45,439 Like we have 35 35 acres up at the 3856 02:44:45,439 --> 02:44:48,240 arena. We have 35 acres up at the arena. 3857 02:44:48,240 --> 02:44:50,560 I believe sometime way in the past there 3858 02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:51,840 might have been one done but nobody can 3859 02:44:51,840 --> 02:44:53,920 find a copy of it because I've been told 3860 02:44:53,920 --> 02:44:55,120 that there was there was 3861 02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:56,640 >> I've searched I haven't found one yet. I 3862 02:44:56,640 --> 02:44:58,720 haven't been able to find it, but I 3863 02:44:58,720 --> 02:45:00,560 think based on this information, it 3864 02:45:00,560 --> 02:45:02,800 targets where you might want to go, but 3865 02:45:02,800 --> 02:45:04,640 uh that would certainly be my desire to 3866 02:45:04,640 --> 02:45:06,720 see that. And uh hey, maybe there's even 3867 02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:08,560 some money out there to do it under some 3868 02:45:08,560 --> 02:45:10,720 stream of uh the provincial government, 3869 02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:12,880 etc. So anyway, that's my comment, but 3870 02:45:12,880 --> 02:45:15,359 excellent. Um I saw it online. It looked 3871 02:45:15,359 --> 02:45:16,960 really great and it invited you to 3872 02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:19,040 participate, which I did. So thank you 3873 02:45:19,040 --> 02:45:19,840 very much. 3874 02:45:19,840 --> 02:45:22,240 >> Thank you, Council Miles. 3875 02:45:22,240 --> 02:45:25,439 um your survey uh results were sort of 3876 02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:27,600 perfect timing because the eagle's nest 3877 02:45:27,600 --> 02:45:29,040 met for the first time last night in 3878 02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:31,680 quite some time and so having data that 3879 02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:33,439 showed us exactly that walking was 3880 02:45:33,439 --> 02:45:35,040 important and that the eagle's nest is 3881 02:45:35,040 --> 02:45:37,680 important and that you know and then the 3882 02:45:37,680 --> 02:45:39,200 I I don't want to talk too much because 3883 02:45:39,200 --> 02:45:40,560 I don't we don't it's not part of the 3884 02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:41,920 agenda and we don't have the actual 3885 02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:45,040 minutes here but uh having that 3886 02:45:45,040 --> 02:45:48,160 information I think will help guide us 3887 02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:50,479 to decide to make decisions regarding 3888 02:45:50,479 --> 02:45:52,880 any of our parks parks or our arenas or 3889 02:45:52,880 --> 02:45:55,680 our our events and things and it it 3890 02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:57,680 already has used the data in a meeting 3891 02:45:57,680 --> 02:46:00,880 last night. So that's it was great the 3892 02:46:00,880 --> 02:46:03,279 timing of having this because it'll then 3893 02:46:03,279 --> 02:46:05,120 allow the eagle's nest to sort of maybe 3894 02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:06,800 bring some recommendations forward and 3895 02:46:06,800 --> 02:46:09,040 hope that council has an opportunity to 3896 02:46:09,040 --> 02:46:10,640 look at how do we improve the eagle's 3897 02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:12,000 nest. It's had lots and lots of 3898 02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:14,240 improvements already, but we know we 3899 02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:16,720 we've we're working towards that piece 3900 02:46:16,720 --> 02:46:19,359 that is the expansion getting done. I 3901 02:46:19,359 --> 02:46:21,600 also want to say the engagement on our 3902 02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:24,640 Facebook if you haven't noticed. Well, 3903 02:46:24,640 --> 02:46:26,479 maybe you're not on Facebook, but I 3904 02:46:26,479 --> 02:46:29,439 really appreciate um what is happening 3905 02:46:29,439 --> 02:46:31,760 in that piece. I think there's lots 3906 02:46:31,760 --> 02:46:34,160 there. There's lots of information being 3907 02:46:34,160 --> 02:46:35,840 posted. There's lots of reminders of 3908 02:46:35,840 --> 02:46:38,800 what's going on and the Eagles Nest will 3909 02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:41,040 be looking to complete part of that our 3910 02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:43,600 project and we will be asking for help 3911 02:46:43,600 --> 02:46:45,680 from the town of Bankrooft's Facebook 3912 02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:47,520 site looking for some volunteers. So 3913 02:46:47,520 --> 02:46:50,080 when those dates come, I'm hoping I just 3914 02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:52,080 forward to you, you share that out. And 3915 02:46:52,080 --> 02:46:54,399 if these pieces that you say are 3916 02:46:54,399 --> 02:46:56,399 important to you, then maybe you have 3917 02:46:56,399 --> 02:46:58,880 the capacity to volunteer because it 3918 02:46:58,880 --> 02:47:00,560 will it meant you didn't have to spend 5 3919 02:47:00,560 --> 02:47:01,920 cents. You just needed to be there, 3920 02:47:01,920 --> 02:47:03,760 enjoy your day of walking, and maybe cut 3921 02:47:03,760 --> 02:47:06,880 some roots and rake. So uh banks, I 3922 02:47:06,880 --> 02:47:09,040 think it's fantastic. Feedback loops are 3923 02:47:09,040 --> 02:47:10,960 extremely important and engagement, and 3924 02:47:10,960 --> 02:47:12,319 that's what proper partnership and 3925 02:47:12,319 --> 02:47:14,880 collaboration looks like. Um, and I'm 3926 02:47:14,880 --> 02:47:16,640 hoping with the next stage of presenting 3927 02:47:16,640 --> 02:47:19,040 user data, usage data that I've 3928 02:47:19,040 --> 02:47:20,399 collected from the partners and we can 3929 02:47:20,399 --> 02:47:21,840 exchange back because yes, you're going 3930 02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:23,840 to apply for grants. KMM might apply for 3931 02:47:23,840 --> 02:47:25,520 grants. We might apply for grants. The 3932 02:47:25,520 --> 02:47:28,800 more we can collate and work together, 3933 02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:30,240 we can do more with less. That's what 3934 02:47:30,240 --> 02:47:32,560 we've always said in this community. Do 3935 02:47:32,560 --> 02:47:34,560 more with less. And if we all take a 3936 02:47:34,560 --> 02:47:36,960 little piece, we'll be able to do a lot. 3937 02:47:36,960 --> 02:47:38,880 So Andre perhaps I could ask you how you 3938 02:47:38,880 --> 02:47:40,960 see us moving forward from here or what 3939 02:47:40,960 --> 02:47:43,520 the practicality is of engaging in a 3940 02:47:43,520 --> 02:47:46,640 master plan etc etc. 3941 02:47:46,640 --> 02:47:50,080 >> So um I I do think that a master plan 3942 02:47:50,080 --> 02:47:51,840 proposal could be something that we 3943 02:47:51,840 --> 02:47:53,760 could look at potentially under a rural 3944 02:47:53,760 --> 02:47:56,720 economic development grant stream uh for 3945 02:47:56,720 --> 02:47:59,680 some strategic design on a higher level. 3946 02:47:59,680 --> 02:48:03,920 Um, I do think Sarah is very capable of 3947 02:48:03,920 --> 02:48:06,080 taking this data though to the next 3948 02:48:06,080 --> 02:48:08,160 stage of data collection and having 3949 02:48:08,160 --> 02:48:10,880 those focus groups and breaking out what 3950 02:48:10,880 --> 02:48:13,680 does low cost mean to the kids with 3951 02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:15,279 families at the daycare center for 3952 02:48:15,279 --> 02:48:17,600 example. what what are the barriers that 3953 02:48:17,600 --> 02:48:19,359 you reflected in your comments and how 3954 02:48:19,359 --> 02:48:21,439 do we make that more cost-effective for 3955 02:48:21,439 --> 02:48:23,520 you and your children or you know 3956 02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:25,520 talking to the seniors to say you know 3957 02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:27,120 there's a lot of feedback that we need 3958 02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:29,200 to improve our spaces what isn't working 3959 02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:34,720 for you in our spaces specifically and finding those quick things one of 3960 02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:35,920 the things while I was reading through 3961 02:48:35,920 --> 02:48:38,399 the comments that I noted is that as 3962 02:48:38,399 --> 02:48:40,319 much as we're sharing sharing sending 3963 02:48:40,319 --> 02:48:42,640 out newsletters posting putting things 3964 02:48:42,640 --> 02:48:45,279 in the newspaper getting radio coverage 3965 02:48:45,279 --> 02:48:47,520 a lot of People said things like, "Well, 3966 02:48:47,520 --> 02:48:49,279 I didn't know that happened. I didn't 3967 02:48:49,279 --> 02:48:52,479 know that existed. I've been here 20 3968 02:48:52,479 --> 02:48:55,279 years. I never heard of this." Um, so 3969 02:48:55,279 --> 02:48:57,840 finding other ways to get those messages 3970 02:48:57,840 --> 02:48:59,920 out, particularly if we can identify 3971 02:48:59,920 --> 02:49:02,720 that specific user groups are missing 3972 02:49:02,720 --> 02:49:03,200 those, 3973 02:49:03,200 --> 02:49:04,880 >> if you can solve that problem because we 3974 02:49:04,880 --> 02:49:06,720 have that issue with everything that we 3975 02:49:06,720 --> 02:49:09,439 do even around this table that because 3976 02:49:09,439 --> 02:49:12,160 news dispersion is so fragmented these 3977 02:49:12,160 --> 02:49:12,720 days. So, 3978 02:49:12,720 --> 02:49:13,840 >> one step at a time. 3979 02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:15,840 >> Yeah. And and I think being able to 3980 02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:18,399 identify some of those challenges like 3981 02:49:18,399 --> 02:49:20,800 kids with or families with children 3982 02:49:20,800 --> 02:49:24,319 communicate this way and seniors tend to 3983 02:49:24,319 --> 02:49:27,279 prefer this communication and maybe it's 3984 02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:30,080 you know instead of just a Facebook post 3985 02:49:30,080 --> 02:49:32,880 we do the Facebook post but we print 20 3986 02:49:32,880 --> 02:49:35,520 copies of it and take it over to the 3987 02:49:35,520 --> 02:49:37,120 active agent center so the people who 3988 02:49:37,120 --> 02:49:39,520 don't have Facebook still have the same 3989 02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:41,600 information and see the same post in a 3990 02:49:41,600 --> 02:49:43,840 format that's comfortable for them. So I 3991 02:49:43,840 --> 02:49:45,680 think just from what we have here, we 3992 02:49:45,680 --> 02:49:49,279 can significantly improve communication 3993 02:49:49,279 --> 02:49:52,000 and connection to the policies or to the 3994 02:49:52,000 --> 02:49:54,720 programs and resources we already have. 3995 02:49:54,720 --> 02:49:57,040 Uh to Val's point, I think this will go 3996 02:49:57,040 --> 02:50:01,439 a long way um to helping identify where 3997 02:50:01,439 --> 02:50:04,399 do we get the biggest bang for our buck. 3998 02:50:04,399 --> 02:50:06,399 And then yeah, I do think there is merit 3999 02:50:06,399 --> 02:50:08,479 to looking at some grant funds for 4000 02:50:08,479 --> 02:50:10,960 strategic development, a strategic 4001 02:50:10,960 --> 02:50:13,600 development plan to put that that real 4002 02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:16,000 long-term what what's the long-term goal 4003 02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:18,080 and how do we get there? And most of the 4004 02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:19,840 plans have done a background what's 4005 02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:22,240 called a background report. Um so there 4006 02:50:22,240 --> 02:50:23,840 are some comparative data that's been 4007 02:50:23,840 --> 02:50:25,920 done. Most of the communities that been 4008 02:50:25,920 --> 02:50:27,840 working with have background reports and 4009 02:50:27,840 --> 02:50:30,720 then that feeds their feeds their 4010 02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:32,240 recreation and master plan and it's 4011 02:50:32,240 --> 02:50:33,920 broken into three phases. So, we're in 4012 02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:35,200 the phase one section. 4013 02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:35,680 >> Great. 4014 02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:37,439 >> And moving forward, phase one. And I 4015 02:50:37,439 --> 02:50:39,040 mean, it's completely all done probably 4016 02:50:39,040 --> 02:50:40,319 could be done with in-house staff, but 4017 02:50:40,319 --> 02:50:41,520 as we move forward, we might want to 4018 02:50:41,520 --> 02:50:43,840 move to phase two with with a grant or 4019 02:50:43,840 --> 02:50:44,960 those types of things, but 4020 02:50:44,960 --> 02:50:47,600 relationships, engagement, and feedback 4021 02:50:47,600 --> 02:50:49,120 loops, treating your partners with 4022 02:50:49,120 --> 02:50:51,200 respect and collaborators. 4023 02:50:51,200 --> 02:50:52,479 >> Great. Thank you. Is there any other 4024 02:50:52,479 --> 02:50:55,040 comments or questions from anybody? 4025 02:50:55,040 --> 02:50:57,279 >> Just a quick comment. I I think the uh 4026 02:50:57,279 --> 02:50:59,680 percentages you uh gathered from in 4027 02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:01,279 town, out of town and using our 4028 02:51:01,279 --> 02:51:06,800 facilities, I think that is the whole ball of wax that pertains to 4029 02:51:06,800 --> 02:51:09,840 employment, recreation, the arena, all 4030 02:51:09,840 --> 02:51:13,359 the rest of it. So, uh if uh I guess I 4031 02:51:13,359 --> 02:51:16,640 don't if something happens at the arena 4032 02:51:16,640 --> 02:51:19,600 uh has to take a little rest, but I 4033 02:51:19,600 --> 02:51:21,600 think your uh numbers are going to jump 4034 02:51:21,600 --> 02:51:23,920 sideways on you. Well, and that data is 4035 02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:25,200 very important and that's one of the 4036 02:51:25,200 --> 02:51:26,880 reasons why we wanted the survey to 4037 02:51:26,880 --> 02:51:29,120 capture a lot of data because it may be 4038 02:51:29,120 --> 02:51:32,720 used for other purposes in the future. 4039 02:51:32,720 --> 02:51:33,920 >> Thank you. That was great. 4040 02:51:33,920 --> 02:51:36,080 >> Thank you. 4041 02:51:36,080 --> 02:51:39,439 >> So, item seven, bylaws. We're Oh, yes. 4042 02:51:39,439 --> 02:51:41,439 All in favor. Did I proceed there 4043 02:51:41,439 --> 02:51:44,560 before? Thank you. It's a long day. So, 4044 02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:47,279 we're bylaws. We're near the end. 4045 02:51:47,279 --> 02:51:48,960 Bylaw's first, second, and third reading 4046 02:51:48,960 --> 02:51:51,040 be resolved that the following bylaws be 4047 02:51:51,040 --> 02:51:53,600 introduced and read a first, second, and 4048 02:51:53,600 --> 02:51:56,000 third time be finally passed at the 4049 02:51:56,000 --> 02:51:57,680 mayor and clerk do sign and seal the 4050 02:51:57,680 --> 02:52:00,399 same any rule of this council to the 4051 02:52:00,399 --> 02:52:02,399 contrary notwithstanding. Bylaw number 4052 02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:05,840 43, 2026, being a bylaw to authorize the 4053 02:52:05,840 --> 02:52:08,080 corporation of the town of Bankrop to 4054 02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:09,680 enter into a professional service 4055 02:52:09,680 --> 02:52:12,800 agreement with Highland, Inc. Uh, bylaw 4056 02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:14,960 number 44-2026 4057 02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:17,920 being a bylaw to amend bylaw number 4058 02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:21,600 182024 being a bylaw to support a person 4059 02:52:21,600 --> 02:52:24,479 to perform civil marriage. What is that? 4060 02:52:24,479 --> 02:52:26,000 Solomonizations. 4061 02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:28,080 My good my eye job isn't quite working 4062 02:52:28,080 --> 02:52:30,640 yet. And provide guidelines for such 4063 02:52:30,640 --> 02:52:32,160 services. Could I have a mover and a 4064 02:52:32,160 --> 02:52:35,120 seconder, please? Councelor Miles, 4065 02:52:35,120 --> 02:52:36,960 that's you. And councelor Lawrence, all 4066 02:52:36,960 --> 02:52:40,399 in favor, please. So, uh, because we had 4067 02:52:40,399 --> 02:52:42,720 a question at break and it's not 4068 02:52:42,720 --> 02:52:44,640 formally in our agenda, I will just ask 4069 02:52:44,640 --> 02:52:46,640 if anybody out there has a general 4070 02:52:46,640 --> 02:52:48,399 question that they would, uh, like to 4071 02:52:48,399 --> 02:52:52,479 ask. Um, and if not, 4072 02:52:52,479 --> 02:52:54,800 yes, young man, you can come. You can 4073 02:52:54,800 --> 02:52:56,960 come right. Yeah, you can come up and 4074 02:52:56,960 --> 02:52:59,520 hit the button 4075 02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:01,680 so we can hear you. You may have to bend 4076 02:53:01,680 --> 02:53:03,439 it. 4077 02:53:03,439 --> 02:53:06,800 >> Thank you, worship. Um I just here is a 4078 02:53:06,800 --> 02:53:10,560 uh just a tax uh rate payer and I just 4079 02:53:10,560 --> 02:53:13,279 was curious the tax increment equivalent 4080 02:53:13,279 --> 02:53:14,319 grant program. 4081 02:53:14,319 --> 02:53:14,640 >> Yes. 4082 02:53:14,640 --> 02:53:16,880 >> For new businesses in town or anybody 4083 02:53:16,880 --> 02:53:18,640 that kind of attaches to I think it's 4084 02:53:18,640 --> 02:53:20,960 the municipal water system or sewer 4085 02:53:20,960 --> 02:53:24,800 system. Is that being promoted a lot? 4086 02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:26,479 I've never heard of it. I've just done a 4087 02:53:26,479 --> 02:53:27,600 little bit of research on it, but I'm 4088 02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:29,120 just wondering if it's being promoted to 4089 02:53:29,120 --> 02:53:31,920 assist in reducing the 4090 02:53:31,920 --> 02:53:34,240 uh I guess helping people uh make the 4091 02:53:34,240 --> 02:53:37,120 town look better and add nice things to 4092 02:53:37,120 --> 02:53:39,439 their house and obviously it would help 4093 02:53:39,439 --> 02:53:42,080 reduce the tax uh to the to the 4094 02:53:42,080 --> 02:53:45,279 >> business. So the the one program we have 4095 02:53:45,279 --> 02:53:47,439 which is the tax differential program is 4096 02:53:47,439 --> 02:53:49,600 to encourage new growth because we've 4097 02:53:49,600 --> 02:53:52,479 long identified that to get our tax rate 4098 02:53:52,479 --> 02:53:55,520 down we need to utilize our facilities 4099 02:53:55,520 --> 02:53:58,160 you know we have excess capacities and 4100 02:53:58,160 --> 02:54:02,240 water and sewer etc. So and we we 4101 02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:04,560 recognize for various reasons that we've 4102 02:54:04,560 --> 02:54:06,720 gone over 100 times why our tax rates 4103 02:54:06,720 --> 02:54:11,120 are higher than everybody else. um we do 4104 02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:12,880 promote it to all of the developers and 4105 02:54:12,880 --> 02:54:17,200 builders and who then you know try to uh 4106 02:54:17,200 --> 02:54:20,240 inform their um uh their customers of 4107 02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:22,399 this to try to get them to entice. But 4108 02:54:22,399 --> 02:54:25,359 you do make a good point you know um I I 4109 02:54:25,359 --> 02:54:27,200 was at a conference earlier this year 4110 02:54:27,200 --> 02:54:29,760 and I explained this to EMPAC our 4111 02:54:29,760 --> 02:54:31,040 program and they were really quite 4112 02:54:31,040 --> 02:54:32,960 surprised and uh because I was 4113 02:54:32,960 --> 02:54:35,120 complaining about their assessment 4114 02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:38,960 process etc. So, it it is a a really 4115 02:54:38,960 --> 02:54:40,080 good point and it's like everything 4116 02:54:40,080 --> 02:54:42,160 else. You think everybody knows about 4117 02:54:42,160 --> 02:54:44,800 it, but then you find out that uh that 4118 02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:46,640 they don't. I'm not sure if there's any 4119 02:54:46,640 --> 02:54:48,479 other sections of our CIP that we have 4120 02:54:48,479 --> 02:54:50,240 not fully utilized at this time. 4121 02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:52,399 >> So, we do have a brownfield section and 4122 02:54:52,399 --> 02:54:55,279 a facade uh section as well to increase 4123 02:54:55,279 --> 02:54:56,800 the physical look of buildings, but 4124 02:54:56,800 --> 02:54:59,120 those are currently unfunded. We we 4125 02:54:59,120 --> 02:55:02,000 don't have funds uh available to support 4126 02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:04,479 those things at this time. So would that 4127 02:55:04,479 --> 02:55:06,319 be more like the beautifification bylaw 4128 02:55:06,319 --> 02:55:08,240 so the town kind of flows better as you 4129 02:55:08,240 --> 02:55:10,560 look down the main street that okay 4130 02:55:10,560 --> 02:55:12,319 >> and over time we have implemented 4131 02:55:12,319 --> 02:55:13,920 particular parts of it you know we did 4132 02:55:13,920 --> 02:55:16,160 have facade improvement uh there was 4133 02:55:16,160 --> 02:55:18,000 some uptake but it wasn't really what we 4134 02:55:18,000 --> 02:55:19,520 hope for where we were actually paying 4135 02:55:19,520 --> 02:55:22,960 50% of some improvements and for some 4136 02:55:22,960 --> 02:55:25,279 reason businesses were not up taking up 4137 02:55:25,279 --> 02:55:27,200 on it. Having said that over the years 4138 02:55:27,200 --> 02:55:28,720 we have seen a number of businesses that 4139 02:55:28,720 --> 02:55:30,240 have done great improvements to their 4140 02:55:30,240 --> 02:55:32,000 property. We've seen it very recently, 4141 02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:33,600 you know, between the brew pub and the 4142 02:55:33,600 --> 02:55:36,240 IDA, etc. And we applaud those folks for 4143 02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:38,160 doing that. And I think it leads to 4144 02:55:38,160 --> 02:55:39,439 their next door neighbor thinking, I 4145 02:55:39,439 --> 02:55:41,920 better get my, you know, up to speed. 4146 02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:44,640 But, um, but yeah, as more funds come 4147 02:55:44,640 --> 02:55:47,520 available then and and we saw a 4148 02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:50,720 necessity and we also in the past have 4149 02:55:50,720 --> 02:55:52,880 worked through with the BIA on certain 4150 02:55:52,880 --> 02:55:55,840 programs as well to to increase that. 4151 02:55:55,840 --> 02:55:56,800 Yes, 4152 02:55:56,800 --> 02:55:59,600 >> I just had one last question u with it's 4153 02:55:59,600 --> 02:56:01,600 a little bit with reference to EMPAC but 4154 02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:03,680 not answering from an EMPAC perspective 4155 02:56:03,680 --> 02:56:06,800 but uh in discussions with EMPAC on on 4156 02:56:06,800 --> 02:56:10,000 my residence I'm currently paying $8,600 4157 02:56:10,000 --> 02:56:12,240 a year and it's to the point where it's 4158 02:56:12,240 --> 02:56:15,680 almost depressing slash unaffordable and 4159 02:56:15,680 --> 02:56:18,000 uh you know having uh doing things all 4160 02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:20,319 above board having a permit go in and 4161 02:56:20,319 --> 02:56:22,240 then getting a phone call from EMPAC and 4162 02:56:22,240 --> 02:56:24,960 you know more discussions um I guess I 4163 02:56:24,960 --> 02:56:27,760 was curious um I can hold on for a 4164 02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:30,720 second. Yeah, I was curious. Um, they 4165 02:56:30,720 --> 02:56:32,720 talked about we're still on the 2016 4166 02:56:32,720 --> 02:56:35,439 rates and when the 2026 rates come 4167 02:56:35,439 --> 02:56:37,840 around, uh, in discussions with some of 4168 02:56:37,840 --> 02:56:40,880 the EMPAC people, they said, "Well, if 4169 02:56:40,880 --> 02:56:42,479 the towns are managing their budget 4170 02:56:42,479 --> 02:56:44,399 right, then you shouldn't actually see 4171 02:56:44,399 --> 02:56:46,800 an increase potentially, but they said 4172 02:56:46,800 --> 02:56:49,157 if your house was to double and go from 4173 02:56:49,157 --> 02:56:51,120 [clears throat] say its value of 500,000 4174 02:56:51,120 --> 02:56:52,560 to a million, then you're going to 4175 02:56:52,560 --> 02:56:54,399 double your your budget." I said, or 4176 02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:56,240 double your taxes. I said, "Well, that 4177 02:56:56,240 --> 02:56:57,920 would mean that the town of Brooft would 4178 02:56:57,920 --> 02:57:00,080 have to increase major capital spending 4179 02:57:00,080 --> 02:57:01,760 and and put forward all these new 4180 02:57:01,760 --> 02:57:04,240 projects." So I guess my question is 4181 02:57:04,240 --> 02:57:06,399 from an affordability slash 4182 02:57:06,399 --> 02:57:07,520 >> I don't know what the right word is 4183 02:57:07,520 --> 02:57:10,000 depressive standpoint of a of a home of 4184 02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:12,880 a taxpayer these new 2026 potentially 4185 02:57:12,880 --> 02:57:14,399 they haven't announced yet but when they 4186 02:57:14,399 --> 02:57:15,359 come out 4187 02:57:15,359 --> 02:57:17,120 >> is the town of Braftoft looking at all 4188 02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:19,200 that to go okay we need to just even 4189 02:57:19,200 --> 02:57:21,120 though houses have went up and 4190 02:57:21,120 --> 02:57:22,960 potentially double or they've increased 4191 02:57:22,960 --> 02:57:25,279 a third like that's pretty scary as a 4192 02:57:25,279 --> 02:57:27,120 homeowner to go I can't even afford them 4193 02:57:27,120 --> 02:57:29,520 now let alone they go up to 11,000 I'd 4194 02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:30,080 have to just 4195 02:57:30,080 --> 02:57:33,439 >> so if everybody's assess value went up 4196 02:57:33,439 --> 02:57:35,520 the percentage- wise the same and the 4197 02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:37,279 town's budget didn't change our mill 4198 02:57:37,279 --> 02:57:38,800 rate would drop down and your taxes 4199 02:57:38,800 --> 02:57:42,000 would not change. Okay. Um so yes the 4200 02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:43,520 fact that they come out with new 4201 02:57:43,520 --> 02:57:46,000 valuations when they whenever they do it 4202 02:57:46,000 --> 02:57:47,760 uh and nobody knows really why they 4203 02:57:47,760 --> 02:57:50,000 haven't done it. Um now there could be 4204 02:57:50,000 --> 02:57:53,760 some because of over as you say 2016 or 4205 02:57:53,760 --> 02:57:56,880 10 years later now uh they may realize 4206 02:57:56,880 --> 02:57:59,040 that some were terribly underassessed 4207 02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:00,800 which you know we have a feeling that 4208 02:58:00,800 --> 02:58:02,720 there are a lot of those and anybody as 4209 02:58:02,720 --> 02:58:04,880 you said who built new or has permits 4210 02:58:04,880 --> 02:58:07,120 tends to pay the full pay the full 4211 02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:10,160 brunt. So hopefully and theoretically 4212 02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:12,000 there will be some adjustments there. 4213 02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:13,760 But your general question, no, because 4214 02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:16,720 your assessment doubles. If the world, 4215 02:58:16,720 --> 02:58:18,640 if it went equally and our budgets 4216 02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:20,240 didn't change, your taxes should not 4217 02:58:20,240 --> 02:58:23,040 change, you know, so you can sleep a 4218 02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:24,800 little better now. [laughter] 4219 02:58:24,800 --> 02:58:26,080 >> Thank you. Yeah, those are just my 4220 02:58:26,080 --> 02:58:27,600 couple questions. Thank you very much. 4221 02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:29,120 Thank you for today. It's great. 4222 02:58:29,120 --> 02:58:31,200 >> Okay. Thank you. 4223 02:58:31,200 --> 02:58:33,279 >> Um, 4224 02:58:33,279 --> 02:58:37,120 where am I here now? Confirming by 4225 02:58:37,120 --> 02:58:40,000 >> Oh, Andre like to say something. Excuse 4226 02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:42,640 me. 4227 02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:45,600 I know there is not a section on this 4228 02:58:45,600 --> 02:58:48,560 agenda for community announcements. Um 4229 02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:50,640 but since it's not a formal action item, 4230 02:58:50,640 --> 02:58:53,120 I'm going to pop it in there anyway. Um 4231 02:58:53,120 --> 02:58:56,160 I learned last week that Harvest Moon 4232 02:58:56,160 --> 02:58:58,399 will be closing on July 1st after almost 4233 02:58:58,399 --> 02:59:01,040 40 years in our community. So I want to 4234 02:59:01,040 --> 02:59:03,279 wish the owners of Harvest Moon well in 4235 02:59:03,279 --> 02:59:05,680 this next chapter and adventure and 4236 02:59:05,680 --> 02:59:08,000 thank you thank them for providing 40 4237 02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:10,399 years of service. Um, those of us who 4238 02:59:10,399 --> 02:59:12,399 have been here all of those 40 years 4239 02:59:12,399 --> 02:59:14,000 will definitely notice that they're not 4240 02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:15,600 here anymore. So, 4241 02:59:15,600 --> 02:59:18,160 >> great. Thank you. Confirming bylaw, 4242 02:59:18,160 --> 02:59:19,840 first, second, and third reading. Be it 4243 02:59:19,840 --> 02:59:21,760 reserve uh resolve that a bylaw to 4244 02:59:21,760 --> 02:59:23,279 confirm the proceedings of the meeting 4245 02:59:23,279 --> 02:59:26,640 council held on June 23rd, 2026 be 4246 02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:28,640 hereby given a first, second, and third 4247 02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:31,120 reading be passed final and be finally 4248 02:59:31,120 --> 02:59:32,800 passed, signed, sealed, and numbered 4249 02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:36,080 bylaw 45-2026. 4250 02:59:36,080 --> 02:59:37,279 Could I have a mover in a second, 4251 02:59:37,279 --> 02:59:40,560 please? Councelor Eastman seconded by 4252 02:59:40,560 --> 02:59:42,080 Councelor Lawrence. All in favor, 4253 02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:46,319 please. So, pass. Next uh meeting of 4254 02:59:46,319 --> 02:59:48,720 regular council scheduled for August 11, 4255 02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:52,399 2026, commencing at 300 p.m. We were 4256 02:59:52,399 --> 02:59:53,760 thinking there was going to be a special 4257 02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:55,040 meeting in July, but we were waiting for 4258 02:59:55,040 --> 02:59:57,680 a zoning amendment uh application to 4259 02:59:57,680 --> 02:59:59,680 come through, and it has not as of this 4260 02:59:59,680 --> 03:00:02,080 time. So, there's still a a very slim 4261 03:00:02,080 --> 03:00:04,960 but far-fetched chance that may happen. 4262 03:00:04,960 --> 03:00:08,640 And um potion to a turn,