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Let me know when we're live.

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Start recording. Oh, thank you. Okay, we're live.

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I would like to call this meeting of the Bedford Planning Board to order.

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Tonight's meeting has been convened in accordance with the governor's March 13, 2020 executive order 202.2, which suspends certain provisions of the open meetings law to allow a municipal board to convene a meeting via video conferencing.

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in accordance with the executive order the public has been provided with the

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ability to view tonight's meeting via video conference or to participate by

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telephone and the transcript will be provided at a later date. I'm going to do

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a roll call of the board members to make sure there's a quorum. Is Mr.

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Tierney here? I'm here. Mr. Cattoliano. Here. Dr. Lewis. He's joining right now.

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Okay, let's wait a moment for Dr. Lewis to join.

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There she is. Dr. Lewis, would you please tell us

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you are present?

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Dr. Lewis? Sorry, I've been muted. I am here. Just heard you now. Okay. And the

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chair is also present. We do, in fact, have a quorum tonight. Madam Secretary, has the meeting

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been properly noticed. Yes it has. So I have confirmed with the secretary that this meeting

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has been duly noticed. We have fulfilled our legal notice requirements by posting notice on the town's

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home page of its website and providing it to the appropriate news outlets. A link has also been

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provided so that the public can view the meeting and I'm advised that that link is active and

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working. Furthermore a webcast of the meeting is available on the town's website and a video

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and transcript of this meeting will be available. We ask that all members of the public mute

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themselves at this time until they are directed to speak so that there will be no interference

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during the meeting. Before we actually start with the business of this meeting, I have

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a very sad announcement to make. Our town council, Joel Sacks, passed away suddenly

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after a short illness yesterday, on behalf of the board, I, I'm sorry, I offer our condolences

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to Joel's wife and family. We mourn the loss of a colleague, but more than that, we mourn

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the loss of a friend and even a mentor. Joel was smart, caring, ethical, and very, very

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kind. His pain leaves a hole in our hearts. Thank you for your time.

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I'd like to now begin

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the meeting. Excuse me. With the first item on our agenda, which is a public hearing,

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the owner applicant is Jamie and Judith Diamond. It is an application for preliminary subdivision

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approval. Is there somebody here to speak for the applicant?

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Yes, Charles Mornavana for the applicant. And with me tonight is also Rich Williams from

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Insight and Steering.

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Thank you.

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And it's just someone who's been before the Board a lot. I echo your sentiments exactly

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about Joel. It is a great loss and thank you for the great comments. This is a summary

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a subdivision application, but in the form of a lot line adjustment, and if I could have

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Ritz put the map up on the board, we'll walk you through it. It's a situation where

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the diamonds are the owners of a parcel of property. It consists of 33.803 acres. And

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is there a way, Ritz, to blow that up a little bit so we can see that a lot line

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What's important to understand about this application, it's an exchange, as I pointed

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out.

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The diamonds are acquiring parcel X as shown on that plan from their neighbors, the mains,

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and they are transferring the mains parcel Y. So it is almost an exact swap.

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I think the difference was around 1,400 square feet.

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The purpose of that was to ensure that we didn't create any non-conformities on

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the main parcel.

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and the purpose of line adjustment as you can see if you can see within the area of parcel X

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there is already an existing access from the private road to the diamond parcel where you see

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that there's a building down there this has been in effect for years and I think originally it may

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have been that they thought that they own the property but in fact it is owned by the mains so

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this is to effectuate an actual transfer of that property from the mains to the diamonds

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is that it?

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That's it.

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I'm not saying I wish there was more, but that's it.

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Any questions or comments from members of the board?

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Questions or comments from members of the audience?

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If you may unmute yourself to make a comment.

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Or ask a question.

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This does not seem to be an overly controversial issue.

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It seems quite straightforward.

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Mr. Osterman, is there anything that you have to add about it? Anything we're overlooking?

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No, this little property swap doesn't really create anything that we're concerned with.

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There's no problem with it cutting off an access that might otherwise exist or anything like that as far as I can.

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No, it's actually the reverse. It's solidifying an existing access point.

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Which is a positive.

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If this seems extraordinarily simple to me, would any of the board members entertain a motion?

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Motion to approve.

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Well, before we do that, could I have a motion to adjourn the two?

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Oh, motion to adjourn the public hearing.

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To end the public hearing.

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Motion to end the public hearing.

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Close the public hearing, but that's my fault.

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that's okay I was just echoing and I could I have a second second second okay

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we have a motion a second is there any discussion all in favor of ending the

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public hearing I'll take the role dr. Lewis aye mr. Catoleado aye mr. Tierney

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aye and the chair votes aye so the public hearing is closed we'd like to

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see as you have done before a lot of my adjustments, we could move right to final approval if that

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I don't see a reason why not in this particular case. There were no issues raised in the public

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hearing and we have no conditions on it. Mr. Osterman, do you see any reason not to

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move to a...

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No, you have the authority to do that. You're basically waiving the second hearing.

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Yeah. I think Dr. Lewis, did you do the motion to approve with no conditions?

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Right. So would you like to amend that to approve both preliminary and final?

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Preliminary and final, yes. I would like to amend it. Thank you.

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In a second.

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In a second.

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Madam Chair, before we – can you hear me okay?

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Yes. Yes, I can hear you, Mr. Gordon.

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I'm just checking with the director of planning.

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Is there, does there need to be a determination under secret before there will be that we do it in a different order.

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So there is, there is a motion and a second on the floor.

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Let's table that and turn to the environmental clearance form.

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They have declared that it is a type two or exempt action. Could I have a motion.

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So moved. Second. Okay. Is there any further discussion of it being a type 2 or exempt action?

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Then I'm going to call the roll. Dr. Lewis. Aye. Mr. Cattolietto.

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Mr. Cattolietto, you have to unmute yourself.

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Aye. Mr. Tierney. Aye. And the chair also votes aye. It is a type 2 or exempt action moving back to the original

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item on the floor. Is there any further discussion?

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I'm going to call the roll. Dr. Lewis?

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Aye.

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Mr. Cattolietto?

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Mr. Tierney?

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Aye.

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And the Chair also votes aye. You have it in what may be one of the fastest subdivision

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approvals we've ever given.

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Thank you very much, everyone, and good night and we'll be safe.

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Take care.

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All right.

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Good night.

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The next item on our agenda is a discussion of Indian Hill Road.

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We're here tonight to hear a presentation from Gunniston Consultants on the Alternative

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of Verizon Public Utility Wireless Communication Facility.

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Venison is going to do a presentation on a possible alternative approach to providing

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self-service in the village of Bedford, in the Bedford Village area.

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Before we begin that, I did want to offer a clarification on behalf of the Planning

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Board because in a number of newspaper articles and the like, it's been said that we were

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or implied, I'm not sure which is the proper word, that we were suggesting that one single

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tower in the could, in fact, provide service for the entire town of Bedford.

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There was some miscommunication here that, logically, we could never have said that

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because there is already more than one large tower in the town of Bedford.

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We recently approved, have begun the site discussions for one in Bedford Hills near

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Haynes Road near the Bedford Memorial Park in the former sewage treatment plant area.

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And there are others in the town as well. I think the confusion came from an argument that we've

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made that if we were to, as everybody realizes, this began

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with a proposal for a tower at Hickory Lane in the Bedford

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Village area, the board has had some concerns about the Hickory

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Lane one, particularly what it covered and where.

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As an alternative, Verizon suggested another location

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at Stone Hill. The problem that we have with both of those, or one of the problems that we have

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with both of those, is that in both cases, Bedford Village, as I think most people realize,

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is not well covered by cell service. Things are far spotter in Bedford Village than in either

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the Katona or Bedford Hills parts of Bedford. And either one of those two existing towers

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hours would leave still a significant gap, which leaves the possibility of another second

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tower coming in at a later date to fill that gap that would be left.

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It's been proposed, and this is what we are talking about and still very much at the

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beginning of talking about, it's been proposed that a location on the edge of Indian Hill

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Park might actually cover enough of that considerably more than either the Hickory Lane proposal

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or the Stone Hill proposal, and cover enough that there would be no significant gap left,

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although there would still, of course, be small gaps left.

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And that's why we're considering it that it might mean that we only need one large

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tower in the Bedford Village area.

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But we were never talking about the entire town of Bedford when we talked about that.

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So I just wanted to clarify that because there seems to be some misunderstanding about it.

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That said, the friends of Indian Hill Park have gone to great efforts, and I applaud

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them for this in hiring Gunnison consultants to try to give us some alternative approaches

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to this.

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And we have given them this forum to make their presentations.

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We have a large crowd tonight.

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The purpose of this meeting is for all of us to see the presentation.

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They have requested that the presentation go forth uninterrupted,

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and I think that's a very good idea.

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So there will be no questions from the planning board or anyone else during the presentation.

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And I'll ask my fellow members to not interrupt the speakers.

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We are not going to entertain questions from the public for this meeting.

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If you have questions as we go through the discussion, what I would urge you to do is

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to put them into the chat or to email them to Kim Kowalski.

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They are not going to be handled tonight.

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We will pass on the ones that are relevant to Gunnarsson to Gunnarsson, the ones that

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are relevant to us, we will look at.

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So I do want to point out to you, because sometimes things get a little wild and woolly

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in the chats for things like this, it can be a little bit like social media, to keep

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in mind that the chat in this case is going to become part of the official record

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of the town, subject to foilability and that sort of thing, and one might want to

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keep a civil tone in what one puts there because chances are you're

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Your name will be connected to it as well. So, we welcome questions. We also welcome civility

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along the way. With that said, I'd like – oh, the other thing I'm going to mention is that

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we are, in fact, going to silence the microphones during the talk and then eventually release

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the microphones of the planning board and our consultants so that we can ask questions

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at the end of the talk after the folks from Gunnison have completed their presentation.

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I would ask all of us to watch this with an open mind. We will certainly watch it

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with an open mind. And I hope that everyone will pay close attention to everything that

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is said tonight. Thank you very much. And I'd like to turn it over to the folks from

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Gunnerson. I saw Brian Gunnerson's name here. I did not think he was going to be doing the

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presentation himself, so I'm a little bit at a loss for who from Gunnerson is going

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to be doing the presentation.

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Brett Realio are going to be doing it. Okay. And you,

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I believe have been unmuted, so.

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Well, I have to work on the mute, and I want to just do something before we start so I

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don't mute everybody and then have to figure out.

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So give me a second here.

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Okay.

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We will.

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This is a complicated situation for all of us, so bear with us while our Secretary

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gets the system working.

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We've – Brett, are you with us?

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I am. Can you hear me?

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I can. And here's – I can hear you, right?

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Yep.

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Okay, so that's all who we have unmuted at the moment.

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I think Ella's had a introductory statement also.

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Actually, we had spoken to Mr. Cousins and made it clear that we were not allowing any members of the public to speak.

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If you need anything from our town attorney about that, we can have Mr. Gordon unmuted as well to discuss it, but I believe that.

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Not at all.

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Thank you.

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That's perfectly fine.

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Okay, so right now we just have Brett and Deirdre were unmuted.

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I'm going to keep you can mute me for that matter.

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All right.

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So jumping in, we did want to thank the town for their feedback. We wanted to thank the planning board also for their willingness to allow us to make this presentation.

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We wanted to thank the chair especially for suggesting that as opposed to just presenting problems that the Indian Hill Park Conservancy presents solutions.

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And that's the reason we're here right now.

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I was able to view the last meeting when the 68 Stonehill Road crane test was reviewed.

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I must say that we were impressed at the chair's time that she took to walk through all of the photos and listen to the feedback from the community.

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It seems like the town is really taking a holistic approach to this cellular coverage solution.

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We've also noticed the wireless working group put a lot of research into coverage on both the 911 and the cellular.

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And it really does look like the town is taking a holistic approach, as I mentioned.

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Hopping in a little bit to what it is that we were asked to do.

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The goals of our involvement were to, number one, make sure that coverage is available.

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And I'm assuming everyone can see my screen.

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Hopefully, if you're not, please give me a head shake to the negative.

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But what we wanted to do is we wanted to make sure that coverage is available.

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It's critical to have coverage to the elementary school, to the downtown corridor,

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and to make sure that the emergency responders have coverage that they need in doing their jobs.

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The infrastructure that we'll be discussing today is in use right now,

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including in places like Medina, Washington.

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And Medina coincidentally is Bill Gates' neighborhood.

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This is newer technology. It is in use. It is available.

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It's also important to understand that small sites do not equal small cells.

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There's a large misunderstanding among the general population of the United States right now

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that there are smaller sites that are not small cells and there are small sites that are small cells.

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And we'll cover that a little bit more in depth as we get into this.

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What we're looking at is planned targeted coverage.

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How do we cover the areas? How do we fill the gaps?

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And also making sure that we understand that should a large single tower be built or a large tower solution be looked at,

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building a tower does not guarantee co-location. A little bit more on that one as well.

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And as the chair mentioned, one tower will not solve the coverage issues in Bedford.

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It will require a multi-site solution.

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A little bit on Gunnerson Consulting's background. We work on wireless sites all across the United States.

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We've worked in some of the most pristine areas. We understand the need for restrictive zoning.

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We also have experience that allows us to provide alternative solutions.

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Another unique piece in our background is we do not provide solutions or we do not provide services to the wireless carriers,

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which keeps us free from any conflicts of interest that may taint our solutions or our recommendations.

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When it comes to 911 type services, we have built 911 networks.

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We are designing 911 networks.

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We understand how the network goes together.

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We work with our customers on all aspects of that network,

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whether it be administration, legal, down to the end users

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who actually use the system.

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Back to the presentation at hand.

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The scope of work that we were asked to put forth

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is not to identify specific locations,

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not to build a coverage model, but to identify if alternatives are available.

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We are not making any recommendations as to specific locations in this.

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The number one priority for us that we were tasked with is to evaluate if a 150 foot,

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which could become a 170 foot tower in Indian Hill Park, could provide the town of Bedford with comprehensive cell coverage.

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The number two priority was to identify if other structures could provide similar or better coverage as well as 9-1-1 communication coverage to the Bedford Village area.

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What we found is that there is no single site solution, again, as has been mentioned already, but that multiple solutions or multiple tower sites would be required

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And that it would be up to the wireless carriers ultimately to provide locations for each of their individual networks.

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And each wireless carrier has different coverage needs.

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So a single tower that may be built does not necessarily solve that solution.

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It's been verified by Verizon in their own submission documents that additional towers would be needed, especially at the 68 Stonehill Road.

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And as any proposed single tower will not provide the comprehensive coverage that's desired,

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we recommend taking a more holistic approach, looking at the coverage that is desired,

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and then building the comprehensive model before we build any single solution.

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What we found is that by utilizing a multiple different types of structures,

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instead of just a single type of structure, coverage can be provided to the town.

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And also hitting the elementary school, providing the E911 coverage that's needed,

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using the requirements that are already in the zoning code to use innovative camouflaging techniques

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and minimally invasive structures gets us there.

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A little bit on that. So again, reminding people that cell towers, having a cell tower does not necessarily mean

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you will have cell service. By that we mean you may have a Verizon tower, but that doesn't mean AT&T will go there.

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There's multiple wireless carriers.

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Small towers do not equal small cells because there's differing technology that's in there.

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So what's on your screen right now is modeled coverage for Verizon Wireless's network.

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And just for reference, you've got the town down here with the building.

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You've got the school here, Indian Hill Parks up in this area.

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And what we see is, yes, coverage exists, but it's spotty.

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And there's targeted areas where coverage could be built in.

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Towers are only one means to do that. In fact, the communications towers are quite old when they date back to the 1800s.

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The current trend is not to build large towers in areas that are populated, it's to fill in the coverage.

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So, for example, if you have a gap in town and you want to build a tower, you can target that specific area and fill it in

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with a utility pole or a smaller structure versus something else, and the same would hold true in outlying areas.

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When you look at why a taller tower may not be better than a small tower, here's a specific example.

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If you build a 150-foot tower in Indian Hill Park and you're trying to reach the elementary school, there's a hill here off Seminary Road.

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And because radio frequencies work largely offline of site, you're not able to get across the hill,

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and as you move down the tower should co-locations occur, the ability to reach the school is even further diminished.

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Hopping over to, we mentioned earlier, Medina, Washington.

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And Medina is Bill Gates' neighborhood.

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Jeff Bezos also lives in that neighborhood.

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It's similar to the Bedford Village area,

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because the topography is very diverse.

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You have rolling hills.

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Bill Gates' house is kind of down in here,

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and Jeff Bezos lives kind of down in here.

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What you find is they're using lower-rise structures.

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You have utility poles.

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You have light poles, you have standpipes, they're using existing water tanks and even low-rise rooftops from Verizon.

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The way those structures actually look when you get down to a granular level, you have these type of low-rise standpipes,

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and you'll see them, you'll see different versions of these as flagpoles, but these are a much smaller type setup.

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Water towers that are existing have been used, and these are surrounded by trees, so the aesthetic impact is minimized.

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several different utility poles, another light pole here that has the cellular integrated on the top,

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and then even this pole happens to be a Verizon cell tower that exists,

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and this one has been in place since about 1999, if memory serves.

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So going back to the model of smaller is not necessarily small cell.

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When looking at different small cell networks, they can be poorly implemented as well

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and sometimes not feasible.

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This particular site comes from Princeton, New Jersey, where they have different towers surrounding the area.

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But instead of coming in with a holistic approach, T-Mobile specifically has come in and built a bunch of small cells in less than a one mile radius,

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which creates a bit more of a blight than what we would want.

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What we would prefer to see as a holistic approach, again, planning coverage in advance so that when you're building out the network,

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you know where you're targeting and you know what you need, so it's not a piecemeal approach.

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When looking at the existing wireless zoning code for the town of Bedford, we find some good things.

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The code already requires that you utilize existing structures where possible.

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You minimize the adverse visual and aesthetic impacts and use innovative camouflage techniques.

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Historically in the wireless industry, we do see a model of building large wireless towers at the maximum height possible as opposed to the minimum height possible

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and then hoping that you have additional carriers coming in and co-locating below there.

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What is possible as well, though, is building towers at a lower elevation

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and potentially extending that tower if a co-locator comes in.

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That fits the need of building at the minimum height possible

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and then working out if you get the opportunity to co-locate.

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One of the other pieces is to minimize the visual intrusion

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And keeping things in a model where they're either closer to the tree line or they're camouflaged or using existing structures usually fits that bill.

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And building no higher than the minimum height necessary.

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There's a couple of pieces of wire of legislation out there at the federal and state level that allow for streamlined processes to extend towers so that you don't need to build large towers.

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The downside of that is if you have a 150-foot tower with no co-locators,

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then you have a tower that is extended beyond the absolute need,

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and it seems to miss the intention of the zoning code.

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It also creates a double argument.

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For example, Verizon's contractor C-squared presented a argument

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that the 150-foot is the bare minimum height that they need.

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The challenge with that is if it's at 150 feet and that's the bare minimum height,

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other wireless carriers would not want to take a diminished position to go any lower on the pole.

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Of also importance, when you're looking at the minimum height necessary, the minimum height has

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a lot to do with the design of the network and the coverage desired. If you go in planning for

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lower structures and more structures, you're able to design the network at a lower elevation

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versus trying to cover something like a sprinkler where you're shooting out as far as possible.

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The other pieces, blending into the surrounding environment and minimizing the aesthetic impact are a lot easier with the smaller structures.

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And we were happy to find that the Bedford Code already anticipates the use of utility structures and structures within the right-of-way to provide wireless communications services.

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When you look at the model of if you build it, will they come, kind of that field of dreams thing, what we found is that's not always the case.

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These are statistics taken from the most recent reports available

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from the three largest tower companies in the United States,

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keeping in mind that there are four national wireless carriers

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and there are a number of smaller entities,

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whether they're wireless Internet service providers, 9-1-1 services,

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or others that would go on a tower.

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The average tenant per tower in Crown Castle's portfolio is 2.1.

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American Tower sits at 1.9, SBA sits at 1.8,

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averaging to less than two tenants per tower.

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Another interesting bit comes from a Morningstar's analyst report where Crown Castle had stated that historically it has taken about 10 years to add a tenant to a tower.

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So just building a tower hoping co-location comes is not necessarily a good model because it generally does not happen across the board.

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to the towers that are currently proposed in the town of Bedford. We're aware of three current proposals.

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There is Indian Hill Park with 150 foot tower, also at 68 Stone Hill Road, 150 foot tower,

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and 91 Hickory Lane has been revised from 150 to 115. Each of these towers do provide distinct cellular coverage,

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but as you'll also see, there are some gaps. Before we get into that though, talking about the 911 coverage,

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there is a

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Report put together on behalf of the wireless working group by federal engineering talking

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about the creation of a tower at Indian Hill Park as well as several other towers surrounding

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the town. And what we'd recommend is before we look at building new towers, we would recommend

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looking at existing structures, existing communication structures and existing structures that may

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provide advanced or enhanced coverage. So just taking a quick look at this. And again,

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These are all high-level views. This is not in-depth engineering, but the current 911 network uses a tower at Katona Park, Mount Kisco, Gard Hill, and a utility pole off of Indian Hills Road.

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The coverage that you see in this lighter green would be your excellent coverage. This darker green would be your not as great of coverage than less coverage, of course, in blue.

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So what we would recommend doing is look first to existing towers.

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And in fact, the Federal Engineering Report does talk about utilizing a tower out here.

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But there's multiple towers or structures, for example, a water tower in this area,

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that could be utilized to add coverage.

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And you'll have to forgive the lack of CGI that I use,

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but when you look at the ability to cover it, if you were to look at the inside towers location

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And put 911 on there, the enhancement to the coverage would look something like this.

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If you look at the site above the high school, you could get enhanced coverage.

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It looks something like that.

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And if you use this water tower up here, you could enhance the cellular coverage even further.

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So again, not recommending any specific site, but recommending the use of alternate structures

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or existing structures to create the solution seems to make more sense before creating additional towers.

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As an additional solution, FirstNet is a network that was put together at the federal level.

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It's currently being managed and run and operated by AT&T.

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The costs for the infrastructure are borne by AT&T and the federal government,

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and it provides a commercial grade communication system that the emergency service providers can't integrate into their network.

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When we go back into commercial cellular,

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There's a few things you'll see consistent throughout these slides.

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So I want to touch on them briefly before we get too far into it.

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When we're looking at the existing coverage, the coverage that you see here in the green and blue.

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And let me preface this by saying I've been accused of being colorblind.

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So I will say this is green and this is blue.

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And if you disagree with me, that's okay.

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The coverage that you'll see here, green is strong reception, blue is fair reception.

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The dots are actual drive test dots that were performed using equipment that measures the wireless signals.

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This is based on Verizon Wireless's network, so AT&T and T-Mobile may have slightly different coverage patterns.

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But the green dots that you see here would be good coverage.

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The yellow dots that you see would be fair reception, and the red dots would be very poor reception or drop calls.

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For reference, and again, this will be consistent across these slides,

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The little building here represents the Bedford Village Town area.

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The schoolhouse, of course, represents the elementary school.

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So as we get into looking at the different coverage, we're going to start with the proposed tower at Indian Hill Park should Verizon locate on that tower.

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And what we would expect from a 150-foot tower, the estimated RF proposal would be what you see here.

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And we outlined the good coverage or the basic coverage in red.

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When we overlay that with Verizon's current network, you see that it does enhance the

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coverage that Verizon currently has, but it does leave some significant gaps where coverage

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would need to be enhanced by either another tower or some other solution.

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Important to understand also is frequency matters.

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When we look at the frequency that – and let me actually back step briefly by saying

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the coverage that we're showing here from Verizon comes from Verizon's own report

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that was put together by C-squared their engineering firm. So the modeling that we saw, they were

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using something in the 700 megahertz band. And it's important to understand the frequency

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doesn't matter because the lower the frequency, the farther the signal carries. So you can see

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that Verizon Wireless does operate in the 700 megahertz band, but they also operate all the

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way up into the 19 and 2100 frequency band. The higher the frequency you go, the faster

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the data typically is carried, but the shorter distance the signal carries.

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So how that works is this is looking at the propagation in the 850 MHz range

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versus the 1900 MHz range broadcasting from Indian Hills Park over to the elementary school.

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the green being the good coverage, the blue being fair.

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At 850 MHz, you can see the elementary school,

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When you go up to 1900 megahertz, the coverage drops off.

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So the modeling that you'll see here is built on the 850 megahertz models.

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However, it's important to understand that additional coverage will be necessary,

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or you'll have to model it differently when you're looking for the best coverage.

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The multi-site solution allows for that because you can target and surgically insert the towers where you need to.

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To create a tower at Indian Hill Park out of the three proposals, this would be the highest impact of the three.

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Largely because you have to create a road that needs to be created down this narrow strip of land.

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Back up in here and then over to the tower, we anticipate it would have to be about a half mile long.

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The tower itself would create a significant impact.

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The tower would soar about 100 feet above the tree line, maybe 80 feet above the tree line.

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Power and fiber would need to be installed underground all the way down that area.

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It's currently densely treed.

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There's some talk about the destruction of animal habitat.

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We also estimate this would be the longest time to market or the most difficult site to zone

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or the longest time frame to get zoned due to some of the concerns that are there.

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When building a new tower, this is a construction build from a recent tower site and a road must be created.

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You have to go in and remove any of the obstructions that are in the way.

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Utilities have to be put underground. Debris has to be hauled out.

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Usually the site has to be leveled because it's on a hillside.

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And then the foundation needs to be board or dug or however that's going to be created.

433
00:36:37,780 --> 00:36:41,960
Once that's done, a reinforced steel basket gets put in the ground.

434
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,720
the concrete gets poured and then the tower is stacked and finally the antennas are placed on

435
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:49,980
what in this case is to be a faux pine tree and usually they'll

436
00:36:49,980 --> 00:36:53,940
try to disguise the antennas in some way so that it somewhat matches the surrounding

437
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:57,380
area. From this site we ran a

438
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:02,040
review, this is called a reverse view shed and what it shows is

439
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,040
all of the areas surrounding the tower from which the tower would be able to be seen

440
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:09,740
and it's not a surprise that it's a fairly large

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00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:14,480
area. Something we found that was rather interesting is if you can see right in this area, that

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00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,620
appears to be the other monopine that's out in the pound ridge area. So you can tell it

443
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:21,240
definitely is visible from quite a distance.

444
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:29,760
Switching gears to the proposal at 68 Stonehill Road. This is the estimated RF propagation

445
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,300
or the coverage you would get from a tower at 68 Stonehill Road. And if we overlay

446
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:37,460
on the current Verizon coverage.

447
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:39,300
This is about what we would expect to see,

448
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,340
where it definitely fills in the central area,

449
00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:45,660
but it doesn't even appear to get to the elementary school or the town.

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00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,620
So it still leaves significant gaps.

451
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,380
Some side notes on how that works is it is the closest to the right-of-way.

452
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:55,580
We expect that the power and internet are already in the road,

453
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,300
so it would take less to get this one up and running than the others.

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00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,580
The site does not, though, intend to really provide coverage to the town

455
00:38:03,580 --> 00:38:04,840
or to the elementary school.

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00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,320
You'll see this, this may be a little foreshadowing,

457
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,500
but it doesn't also appear to gain any significant coverage

458
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,400
over using utility pole in the right-of-way

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00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,000
directly adjacent to that property.

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00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:19,280
Moving on to 91 Hickory Lane.

461
00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:22,200
This would be the anticipated coverage that we'd get

462
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,260
from 91 Hickory Lane.

463
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:25,780
And again, you've got the green being the best coverage

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00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,420
and the blue being the fair coverage.

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00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,080
You can see that it does get to the town.

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00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,780
It gets to the school, but not as good as you would hope, but then it leaves significant gaps.

467
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,940
Overlaying that on the current Verizon network, it gives you a better indication for where the coverage gaps would be.

468
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:48,820
Again, remembering that this is the drive test data, and it would still leave some significant holes in the town.

469
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,460
91 Hickory Lane would be the second lowest impact site behind 68 Stonehill Road to create.

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00:38:55,460 --> 00:39:01,680
It does provide the most overall coverage, but it provides it more inconsistent coverage,

471
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,340
and that would absolutely require additional coverage solutions,

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00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:08,160
whether they be towers or low rise type solutions.

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00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,200
And it appears also to completely miss Indian Hill Park.

474
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:18,460
So when we get into talking about alternative sites, there's a few things that we look at.

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00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,660
Number one, well, let me back up.

476
00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:24,540
Number one, it is important to remember that these are not specific site solutions.

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00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:27,600
We're not recommending putting any pins in the map as there may be.

478
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,620
We're looking at alternative types and models that could work.

479
00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:35,580
So the locations that we'll reference here are not a reference to a specific recommendation.

480
00:39:36,020 --> 00:39:41,180
Instead, they are something that shows a model of something that can work and has worked in other locations.

481
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,280
When we look at where the industry is and where it has been,

482
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:49,900
when this information, by the way, comes from CITA, that's a wireless industry group,

483
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:54,060
When Verizon filed their initial application in 2017,

484
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,920
the wireless industry was still primarily using cell towers

485
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,380
to provide their commercial wireless service.

486
00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:04,180
Over the last few years, though, the use of smaller structures,

487
00:40:04,380 --> 00:40:07,300
whether they be small cells, DAS networks are just low-rise structures,

488
00:40:07,940 --> 00:40:10,580
the use of the smaller structures has exponentially improved.

489
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,220
There's been a shift in the technology that doesn't necessarily reflect

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00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:18,400
the same infrastructure that was being used by Verizon when they filed the application.

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00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:26,100
We have found that utility poles generally can be deployed quicker because they're already in the right of way.

492
00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:31,600
They're usually already streamlined processes in place, whether they be from the federal or state or local levels,

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00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:38,500
to either use the existing pole or replace the existing pole with something that will work for the wireless providers.

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00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,580
They offer significant economic advantages as well.

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00:40:42,580 --> 00:41:00,680
For example, in running a couple of different models using costs that are familiar to the industry, the cost of a single tower over a 20-year period when you add in the construction cost and there are more significant costs there, maintenance and rent, you could pay for five to nine utility pull sites.

496
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:09,160
So, and when you add that to the speed to market that the wireless carriers or even the 911 groups can utilize, it provides significant advantages.

497
00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:16,620
Looking now at specific examples or representative examples of non-tower alternatives.

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00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:22,320
Here are a couple of examples that we used. Again, not using specific sites.

499
00:41:23,220 --> 00:41:27,460
These are simply illustrations. The rooftop of the Bedford Playhouse was looked at,

500
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:33,880
a 80-foot pole on the water tank property, and then 50-foot utility poles at Stonehill Road,

501
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,940
Long Ridge Road, Old Post Road, and Indian Hill Road.

502
00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:45,640
And what we found are the coverage is able to be provided with utility poles consistent across the town in a better manner than what we're seeing from the towers.

503
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:55,000
So looking specifically at the Bedford Playhouse, if you were to add an antenna to the Bedford Playhouse, we would expect this outlined area to be the coverage that would be provided.

504
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,840
Overlaying that on Verizon's network, you see you pick up a lot of different coverage, including the town area.

505
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,560
You pick up this – this is Indian Hill Road up here and, of course, Seminary Road.

506
00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:14,060
And while there are still gaps, we anticipate those, and that is afforded by the multi-site solution.

507
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:19,020
The way that would look is you would put the antennas on top of the rooftop.

508
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:22,180
It would be screened so that the antennas are not visible from the ground.

509
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:26,600
Multiple wireless carriers could be served from a single site,

510
00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:29,400
and 911 could also be added to this location.

511
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:35,660
I did note in some of the discussions that 911 actually talked about putting their equipment on top of the firehouse as well.

512
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,600
So there's a lot of different options to do this.

513
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:45,700
Generally rooftop sites have power and internet to the street, so there's limited disruption in the creation of those sites.

514
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,200
Looking at a utility pole site, and this would be a site that would be on,

515
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:56,070
my apologies for that noise,

516
00:42:56,070 --> 00:43:02,870
at 668 Stonehill Road directly adjacent from the proposed tower at 68 Stonehill Road.

517
00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:07,750
We're finding that the coverage is not exact, but it is similar.

518
00:43:08,170 --> 00:43:13,050
It uses a lower height pole than what is being proposed as the tree or the tower,

519
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:17,070
and either structure will not be a single site solution,

520
00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:21,390
so we need to look at the most minimally intrusive site for that location.

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00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:26,450
The coverage that you see from the utility pole versus the tower is shown here.

522
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:29,430
The blue would be the 150-foot pole.

523
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:32,470
This orangeish-yellow would be the utility pole.

524
00:43:33,850 --> 00:43:36,850
Overlaying the utility pole on the current Verizon coverage,

525
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:41,890
you see you pick up some significant areas with the roadways and in the town area.

526
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:45,690
The town area is the same where you still need additional coverage there,

527
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:47,730
but you do pick up some additional modeling.

528
00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:55,890
Putting that side-by-side with the proposed Verizon tower, and this is what Verizon sees as their modeled coverage,

529
00:43:56,410 --> 00:44:01,070
and this is what a 50-foot utility pole would cover, the main difference is going to be signal strength.

530
00:44:01,370 --> 00:44:07,330
You have the excellent, the five bars here, and probably your four or three or four bars in this area.

531
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:15,250
And with the 50-foot utility pole, the signal strength is apparently one of the predominant differences.

532
00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:21,970
So the utility pole is still providing coverage and anticipating a multi-site solution.

533
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:23,210
You're still able to meet the goals.

534
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:29,050
What this looks like from an aerial view, utility pole versus where the tower would be.

535
00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:30,270
The tower is up in this area.

536
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:32,330
This one is right on the road.

537
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:36,190
There's minimal disruptions because utility structures are already existing.

538
00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:41,230
911 can use the same type of a setup by using utility poles and power and internet

539
00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:44,150
because utilities are already above ground in that area.

540
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:50,110
they exist. The power is there, the fiber is there, and the components to get that site

541
00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:52,750
on air already exist, and it can be done much quicker.

542
00:44:55,220 --> 00:44:57,340
A slightly different type of approach

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00:44:57,340 --> 00:44:59,980
would be to put an 80-foot pole on the water tower.

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00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,760
Water tower property. And this is the water tower above town. Should a 80 foot pole be used, this is what we would expect the coverage to be from that location.

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00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:16,480
Overlaying that into the existing Verizon network, we took a little different color scheme here where the magenta is the fill-in areas.

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00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:22,560
And you can see you pick up a significant amount of coverage that would be provided by using that structure.

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00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:29,380
And again, it's an 80-foot pole set back by the water tank, so there's limited visibility from anyone on main thoroughfares.

548
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:36,220
The property is already a non-residential type use and it's already owned by the city, so the visual intrusion is minimized.

549
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:43,940
The construction is minimized because it's an 80-foot pole versus a large cell tower, and power and fiber are readily available.

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00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:53,300
Looking at a infill type coverage or a coverage, a gap coverage would be using a utility pole on Long Ridge Road.

551
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,820
And in this particular case, it's a 50-foot utility pole.

552
00:45:56,940 --> 00:46:00,660
This would be the expected coverage if we were to place a utility pole at this location.

553
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,860
By the way, all of these locations do exist, but again, these are just modeled.

554
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:09,940
If we overlay this on Verizon's network, this would be the expected difference.

555
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:17,080
So you're picking up the town. You're picking up some significant roadways and affording yourself additional coverage with minimal visual intrusion.

556
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:23,320
The benefits here, the points here are similar to all of the others. It's located in the existing right-of-way.

557
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,800
It provides 911 coverage should that be desired and should that be modeled, and the utilities already exist in the location.

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00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:38,220
The other one that we looked at was how would utility poles look if utility poles were used versus Indian Hill Park?

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00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:44,080
Indian Hill Park is unique in that there already are some existing locations.

560
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,000
For example, here's what we looked at.

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00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,800
So Indian Hill Park here is modeled in red, the coverage that would be provided by the park.

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00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:57,900
When I say there's already an existing structure, 9-1-1 currently uses a utility pole off Indian Hill Road

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00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:01,660
and the anticipated coverage for that would be shown in green.

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00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,860
And there's a road or a pole down here on Long Ridge Road just off of Seminary Road

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00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:10,420
that would anticipate to be covered or to provide the coverage shown in blue.

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00:47:11,340 --> 00:47:18,760
So when we modeled this we decided to use the pole off of Old Post Road which is by the way Route 121 for those who aren't familiar with that road.

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00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,880
The coverage that would be anticipated to be gained for that location is shown in blue.

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00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:32,120
And you can see that picks up a lot of the uncovered areas, a lot of the areas that were previously not having coverage and that were shown in red or picked up.

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00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:40,760
So the coverage there is very similar to what you would get using a 50 foot pole versus a 150 foot tower.

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00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,920
One of the largest reasons for that is the differences in topography.

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00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,800
This is the slide or the topography that you saw earlier on where you have the tower but you have the ridge line here.

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00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:57,580
This is the topography going from the old post road to the elementary school.

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00:47:58,180 --> 00:48:00,560
And as you can see, there's no null there.

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00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,060
It's direct line of sight.

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00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,480
Even a lower structure is able to provide much better coverage,

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00:48:05,540 --> 00:48:09,800
because it can, as you would say in the RF world, see the tower directly.

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00:48:11,420 --> 00:48:16,000
And again, with the utility pole in this situation, it's already existing.

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00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,040
It's in the right of way.

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00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,840
It's screened by surrounding vegetation so that it's minimally visibly intrusive.

580
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:26,860
Now, the way that this works is we have to put all of these pieces together.

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00:48:26,860 --> 00:48:33,560
We don't expect a single utility pole site or a single low-impact site to create the solution that we're looking for

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00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:36,700
So as an example, here's what we put together

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00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:38,880
And a picture will pop up there in a second

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00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,380
But I didn't want everyone to be too distracted by the picture before we talk about how we get there

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00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:47,400
So if we use a 80 the 80 foot pole at the water tank that we talked about

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00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:53,240
There's also the transmission line easement across or above town if you put a hundred foot utility pole

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00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,100
or if you use a 100-foot antenna in the transmission line easement

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00:48:56,100 --> 00:49:00,820
and you combine 50-foot utility poles from Long Ridge Road and Pound Ridge Road,

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00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:06,220
you could expect coverage to look something like this when you overlay it on Verizon's current network.

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00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,500
And as you can see, you get a fairly consistent coverage throughout town

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00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:14,260
that rivals anything that a tower would provide.

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00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:19,040
Moving forward, the question comes up of,

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00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:22,420
okay, if you're going to use multiple utility sites or multiple sites,

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00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:24,980
How does that look? Are we going to have towers all over the place?

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00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:31,780
And what we look at is if we have four wireless carriers and emergency services are planning on adding new sites,

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00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:37,880
the model before was done using four wireless sites per wireless carrier,

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00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:43,880
and EMS plans on adding based on the working groups report eight new sites.

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00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,960
So if all of these numbers come together, that would be a total of 24 poles that would be needed.

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00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:55,860
Now, just to give a little bit of context to that, I looked at an area between Seminary

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00:49:55,860 --> 00:50:01,200
Hill Road and to just up past Indian Hill Road about a mile and a half, and this was

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00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:08,480
on Route 21, and I counted 21 poles, just over 20 poles in that one and a half mile

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00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:08,900
area.

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00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,900
So there's not a shortage of utility poles, and if the coverage is planned accurately

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00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:16,420
and appropriately, it's not an excessive number.

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00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:22,660
giving you a little different view of how the topography looks in the different areas.

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00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,960
Between 68 Stonehill Road and the Utility Road, and this is a topographical map,

607
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,480
you can see the different layouts that we have here and why some of these sites work out better

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00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,840
as far as being able to see different sites in different areas and provide the coverage.

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00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,680
Other factors, I won't belabor some of these slides that are a little bit technical just in the interest of time.

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00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,380
Some of the other factors that we look at when we're looking at different sites,

611
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:49,020
the elevation of the ground matters, the pole and the tower height matters,

612
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,100
the overall height from the top of the antennas, the trees,

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00:50:54,340 --> 00:51:00,200
the square mileage that's covered by the propagation, by the radios that are broadcasting,

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00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,940
the impact of the roads that need to be covered,

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00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,020
any environmental concerns that may exist and the availability of Internet,

616
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:11,420
Of course, it's critical because you've got to get that cellular connection back to the network somehow.

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00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:18,860
We also look at specific comments like if they struggle to reach a target area or if the coverage is not being provided that's necessary.

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00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:26,300
Those are all important facts to consider when building any tower, but especially when you're building a lower site solution or a lower elevation site.

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00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,080
So we also look at those with the lower sites and then we look at similar factors.

620
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:34,520
And these are some of the data points that we discussed and we looked at when we were building this model.

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00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:41,180
Another very important thing to keep in mind that I did touch on earlier is we've been talking about Verizon's network.

622
00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:45,200
AT&T and T-Mobile currently have networks that exist in the town area.

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00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,020
Their coverage needs will be different than what Verizon's is.

624
00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:54,140
And as DISH network builds out their nationwide network, their coverage model will be different also.

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00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:59,960
So any tower that's built would be built based on assumptions of one carrier.

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00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,120
And unless all of the carriers are brought together in a format where they're able to discuss their ultimate needs,

627
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:13,580
it's difficult to plan a single tower or any large tower site that will become a multiple carrier solution simply because the coverage models differ.

628
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:23,520
So that's the bulk of the presentation on the sites that we're talking about, but we did want to give some context to different sites that are available.

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00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:32,480
So this is a view of different utility pull sites that we've seen all the way from the smaller light pulls to varying different types of utility structures.

630
00:52:33,260 --> 00:52:39,520
And then even to the flag pull type or even stand pipe solutions, if sometimes they take the flag off and just use that as a stand pipe.

631
00:52:39,820 --> 00:52:45,800
This is a newer style pipe where they've got the venting in it that allows for the ARUs to be cooled and the radio equipment to stay cooled.

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00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,160
This site here would be a transmission line set up.

633
00:52:50,420 --> 00:52:56,060
Sometimes they will mount the antennas directly on the transmission lines, other times they'll build a tower immediately adjacent to it.

634
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,960
But the visual impact is already there, and adding antennas to it is, again, minimally intrusive.

635
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:10,300
Different types of utility pole structures that are currently in use, you'll see them from some that are within the tree line to some that are above the tree line.

636
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:20,500
You'll see these glue lamp poles, they're laminated poles that allow for higher elevations and additional strength to using your standard round wood utility poles.

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00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,900
The other types that are currently in use, this is a utility pole with a 911 antenna on top of it.

638
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:35,360
Again, this is another flag pole. This is a 65 foot flag pole. This was a 35 foot utility pole, by the way.

639
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:45,760
This is a two-story rooftop. These are two low-rise standpipes that I don't have exact heights on, but you can see that they're probably about 20 to 25 feet.

640
00:53:45,860 --> 00:53:55,560
For this one, I want to say this one's about 35 feet, and this is a utility pole with DAS antennas that is clearly within the tree height that is providing coverage to a targeted area.

641
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:08,540
Understanding if these will work in Bedford. When we did our research, and it's important to keep in mind that low-rise structures are not required to be logged in most databases.

642
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:17,480
So these numbers will be grossly underreported generally. But we did find on the cellular range less than 50 feet of elevation.

643
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,520
They're already 11 in use within 50 miles, 51 to 100 feet.

644
00:54:21,620 --> 00:54:24,200
There were 83 that we were able to find, and then you go up from there.

645
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,540
Public entities are also using these.

646
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,340
These would be EMS or public works type situations.

647
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,380
You have similar numbers on the lower rise poles there.

648
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:42,040
Giving you some insight into additional structures that are used to make sure that they – to minimize the view of these.

649
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,620
Church steeples a lot of times will have antennas.

650
00:54:44,620 --> 00:54:50,500
This is a church steeple in Southport, Connecticut, where antennas are in that pole or in the steeple.

651
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:56,720
When we talk about camouflaging the equipment, that's another piece that a lot of concern needs to be given to

652
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,560
because the equipment can grow and it can be very intrusive.

653
00:55:00,140 --> 00:55:03,100
They are vaults that can be used to hide the equipment.

654
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,100
So this shows the vault that's being installed in Los Angeles, California, right off the beach.

655
00:55:07,620 --> 00:55:11,460
And when they're done with it, the vault is completely underground and not visible.

656
00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:18,020
its access via hatch and the antennas are mounted on a light pole in this area. Some other types

657
00:55:18,020 --> 00:55:22,900
of structures that are seen that are that are becoming more and more common. This is a church

658
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:26,640
steeple that was built to house the antennas and the antennas are hidden in there and the

659
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:32,820
cabling can be routed different ways. This is a rooftop site with a privacy screen that has

660
00:55:32,820 --> 00:55:38,040
antennas behind it. A clock tower obviously, water tanks are becoming more and more common

661
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,000
where these are fake water tanks. It's a screen that's built out of fiberglass,

662
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,700
and the antennas are hidden behind that screen, so you still have the aesthetic appeal of

663
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,520
an older water tank. The built-in cupolas are frequently used when they're designed and custom

664
00:55:52,520 --> 00:56:01,680
built that way. This flagpole right here is in Haberstrah, and the hotel cupola here is in

665
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,060
and then silos can also be used to house the antennas.

666
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,340
In addition to giving you the views

667
00:56:09,340 --> 00:56:10,400
of different types of structures

668
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,560
that are currently being used,

669
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:13,660
we also wanted to create a couple of photo simulations

670
00:56:13,660 --> 00:56:17,200
to show what a 50 foot utility pole structure

671
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:17,980
could look like.

672
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,120
And this would be on Long Ridge Road,

673
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:24,040
anticipating a 50 foot utility pole.

674
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:26,040
And this is from 150 feet away.

675
00:56:26,620 --> 00:56:28,540
So facing north and facing south,

676
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,960
that's what we would expect that to look or look like.

677
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,920
We also built one of those for Pound Ridge Road, and again facing west and facing east,

678
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:40,140
what the views of a utility pole would look like in those instances.

679
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:48,940
The next piece would be options for equipment vaults, and I alluded to this earlier with the one on the ocean side,

680
00:56:49,420 --> 00:56:54,000
but generally they can be buried underground and then accessed either via a hatch or a manhole type setup,

681
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:57,920
and this is a good example of one that's been installed where the equipment is right here,

682
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,780
and the antennas are mounted on top of this light pole there.

683
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,580
And as you can see, the topography there is very similar where it's rolling.

684
00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:07,580
It's not as heavily-treated, of course, as the area that we're talking about.

685
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:13,180
And then just a simple size comparison for different towers, how it looks side-by-side.

686
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:19,760
The 150-foot tower obviously dwarfs everything else, where it just is 100 feet taller than the utility pole.

687
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,820
But in addition to that, you can use the 50-foot utility poles.

688
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,080
And depending on application, you can use shorter structures as well.

689
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,220
So those are the pieces that we've put together for this presentation.

690
00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:39,280
I'll turn the time back over to the chair to see if there's any questions that we need to handle right now.

691
00:57:42,260 --> 00:57:46,020
Okay. Can you hear me? Oops, I've got to turn my video back on.

692
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,760
Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

693
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:57,260
I think at this point I'm going to ask Kim to unmute the members of the planning board

694
00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:02,680
and our wireless consultant and

695
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:11,140
our town attorney and Mr. Osterman and

696
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:14,550
have I left anybody

697
00:58:14,550 --> 00:58:14,950
out?

698
00:58:18,550 --> 00:58:24,830
Oh, the members of the spokesperson members of the wireless committee.

699
00:58:24,830 --> 00:58:29,120
that would be Kyle and Hank.

700
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:42,590
I do appreciate the presentation. It's very interesting.

701
00:58:43,450 --> 00:58:51,470
Some of it we actually have been aware of. I was pleased to hear you talking about that

702
00:58:51,470 --> 00:59:01,770
it makes sense to ask tower people to build, if you're looking for co-location, if you

703
00:59:01,770 --> 00:59:08,110
are looking for co-location, which at the moment our code requires us to do, that it

704
00:59:08,110 --> 00:59:18,370
can make sense to ask a carrier to build for two carriers and build with the structure

705
00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:24,170
that could then support four carriers, if necessary, but not put them there right away.

706
00:59:24,810 --> 00:59:32,990
Interestingly enough, we suggested just that for the Bedford Hill site that we're talking about.

707
00:59:34,090 --> 00:59:37,710
I think it was at our meeting two weeks ago and the and the

708
00:59:37,710 --> 00:59:41,370
Homeland Towers who's building that site is looking into that possibility.

709
00:59:42,310 --> 00:59:47,410
We've had rather more success with co-location than I guess some other places have from what

710
00:59:47,410 --> 00:59:56,130
you've said. I know the Green Lane Tower has all four spaces taken. The Bedford Hills

711
00:59:56,130 --> 00:59:59,810
one is proposed for two sites already of the.

712
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,760
There are two separate licensees for the homeland, there. Jeff, do you know offhand how

713
01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:14,220
well we're doing otherwise with co-location? The prison site, I think.

714
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:20,340
The ones at corrections are more than one carrier. The ones at Fox Lane, I believe all four

715
01:00:20,340 --> 01:00:25,100
carriers at Fox Lane. Are these the ones immediately off the freeway?

716
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,900
Well, there's also a set at 684. That's a multiple installation also.

717
01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:36,420
Yeah. I have seen that some of the towers around the town,

718
01:00:36,860 --> 01:00:40,540
especially in the high traffic areas where you have the freeways or high traffic counts,

719
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:44,620
some of those do have co-locations, and some of them there are a couple towers that,

720
01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:49,240
one comes to mind that is near the correctional facility, but it's not directly there.

721
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,220
It only has a single tenant. So it does happen.

722
01:00:53,220 --> 01:01:07,480
It's important though to understand or to make sure that going in it's not, especially in a remote area or a more rural area, to not necessarily build it for tenants that haven't even been approached yet.

723
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:12,680
But you have taken a thoughtful approach I've seen with the tower up by the water treatment plant.

724
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:21,440
Yeah, and the what happened with the one. It's not something we're particularly pleased with with the one in

725
01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:28,020
The one that only has one carrier on it in the light industrial zone.

726
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:40,300
We had built that one or we didn't know we didn't build it we approve that one it was in precisely the kind of place where we felt that sort of thing belong which was in the middle of a

727
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:48,260
of an industrial area by a quarry, then the tower and the prison came by.

728
01:01:48,340 --> 01:01:49,720
We had no control over that.

729
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,200
Of course, the prison is state property.

730
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:57,320
So the tower went in and went into competition with the one that we had done.

731
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,980
So that's one of the planning issues that can be frustrating for municipality,

732
01:02:03,060 --> 01:02:09,140
that we have all of these other organizations whose rights and privileges override ours.

733
01:02:09,140 --> 01:02:17,700
The reason the one in that we approved is now obsolete is that the prison came in and

734
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:23,720
built an even bigger and taller tower and licensed it out, and we could do nothing about that.

735
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:32,060
So it was an unfortunate situation, but that has not happened with any of the towers that

736
01:02:32,060 --> 01:02:39,580
have been part of our larger plan. And it was partly to try to avoid that kind of thing

737
01:02:39,580 --> 01:02:45,900
that the town has decided to take a holistic approach and have the wireless committee do

738
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:48,500
the work that it's been doing for the last couple of years.

739
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:53,560
We've seen that. We've seen the thoughtful approach and the comments that have been

740
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,120
made, especially with the Hickory lane with regards to not breaking the view line

741
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,280
or the ridge line with the views that would be created by a tower and the feedback

742
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:06,920
that you were taking into account from the community as to the impact of the crane test of 68 Stonehill.

743
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:15,340
We can see that the town is absolutely taking the concerns of the citizens and their constituency into account

744
01:03:15,340 --> 01:03:17,840
and recognizing when there is visual impact.

745
01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:25,640
Yeah, and we will be talking a little bit about, there were some shortcomings that we will acknowledge

746
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:34,380
with the balloon test, but we'll talk about that at the end of the discussion here, because

747
01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:40,740
we are going to consider doing another balloon test, but we'll talk about that in more detail

748
01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:41,220
later.

749
01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:48,040
The problem we have, at least the problem that I have with it, and it may be a lack

750
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:57,890
of understanding, and we've spent a lot of time talking to consultants about the kinds

751
01:03:57,890 --> 01:04:00,190
of alternatives that you have talked about.

752
01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:09,310
And in fact, if you look at even the first presentation that CityScape did, it shows

753
01:04:09,310 --> 01:04:11,490
that we are looking at small cells.

754
01:04:12,490 --> 01:04:18,430
Now I understand from – I understand would be too strong a word, I will admit.

755
01:04:18,430 --> 01:04:24,150
And I do understand that you're saying that what you're proposing are not small cells.

756
01:04:25,530 --> 01:04:35,450
And that made it a little bit more clear to me, because when I first saw your presentation

757
01:04:36,270 --> 01:04:41,690
and thought of these as small cells, they contradicted everything that our consultants

758
01:04:41,690 --> 01:04:45,970
have told us about how far a small cell could reach.

759
01:04:45,970 --> 01:04:52,070
So I'd like to talk a little bit about what the real nature of these towers that you have

760
01:04:52,070 --> 01:05:04,080
are because our immediate reaction has been that this is what our professionals have told

761
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,680
us smaller.

762
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:08,820
It's what they've told us small cells cannot do.

763
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,360
Now you're saying it's not small cells.

764
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:26,140
levels, how does a 150-foot tower reach the same extent that a 50-foot tower does so consistently

765
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,780
as your things show?

766
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:35,340
I'm thinking of the one picture that you had with the three,

767
01:05:38,220 --> 01:05:39,720
let's see, it was Indian

768
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,880
and Hill Park and the tower by,

769
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:45,860
I'm sorry.

770
01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:47,860
You're fine, let me bring it up.

771
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,360
I think this is the one you're talking about here.

772
01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:55,760
I should get my copy of this on my either head.

773
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,100
Well, let me touch briefly on the small cell

774
01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:15,620
versus the others.

775
01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:19,100
So small cell, and let me just bring this one up

776
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:20,840
because it has a picture of a small cell on it.

777
01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:22,920
The small cell is generally built

778
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,380
to have a much smaller radius.

779
01:06:25,380 --> 01:06:30,140
that you use as a higher frequency because it's targeting putting higher data or reusing

780
01:06:30,140 --> 01:06:35,940
frequency in a smaller area. So the equipment that would be utilized is much different. You've

781
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:40,420
got smaller antennas, you have smaller base station equipment, and again you're operating

782
01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:46,740
at much lower power levels, which it's not meant to broadcast it to a large area. They're

783
01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:51,760
typically used in commercial areas where it's high density population. You'd see it

784
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,900
like it for example, in the downtown Bedford area,

785
01:06:54,260 --> 01:06:55,140
it may make sense.

786
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:58,040
When you get out where you have one, two, three

787
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,920
to five acre lots, it's not going to make sense

788
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,440
because the economics just aren't there.

789
01:07:03,060 --> 01:07:05,140
So it depends on the situation

790
01:07:05,140 --> 01:07:06,940
and what our recommendation always is,

791
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,000
is let's look at the best application for the situation.

792
01:07:10,540 --> 01:07:13,980
If we try to hit everything with a tower,

793
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:15,520
you're probably not gonna get coverage

794
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,100
as well as if you use multiple different types

795
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:18,740
of solutions.

796
01:07:18,940 --> 01:07:21,020
So it's small so what we're recommending

797
01:07:21,020 --> 01:07:25,720
and proposing for the entire area? Absolutely not. Does Maul cell have an application? Maybe

798
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:30,460
in limited use, but when you have the lower elevation locations that we're talking about,

799
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,860
those use the same type of equipment that a macro site would use,

800
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:38,780
meaning the large platform antennas, you have the base station radios,

801
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,200
you use similar equipment, you're just using a smaller tower.

802
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:48,350
Okay, and that was actually what threw me about it, and that probably is something I'm

803
01:07:48,350 --> 01:07:56,850
I'm missing here, but so the piece of equipment that's on top of the tower is emitting the

804
01:07:56,850 --> 01:08:07,210
same intensity of RF that the antenna that's on a 150-quad tower is emitting, except for

805
01:08:07,210 --> 01:08:07,870
Not necessarily.

806
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:12,810
So it's a great question because this is something that everyone runs into.

807
01:08:14,810 --> 01:08:19,010
And Kim, if you can unmute Brian, he can also add some additional insight to this.

808
01:08:19,670 --> 01:08:24,250
But when you model a cell site, you can do it based on a few different factors.

809
01:08:24,570 --> 01:08:28,070
Frequency is one. The power level is another one.

810
01:08:28,170 --> 01:08:31,950
The elevation is another one. The topography and what we call the clutter,

811
01:08:32,170 --> 01:08:37,150
the different pieces of foliage or buildings or other things that could impact the signal,

812
01:08:37,570 --> 01:08:39,110
those are all factors that you look at.

813
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:44,650
So, a tower that is sitting at a lower elevation wouldn't necessarily need to cover.

814
01:08:44,910 --> 01:08:48,150
And if you can still see my screen, I'm kind of highlighting a couple.

815
01:08:48,650 --> 01:08:53,270
It wouldn't need to necessarily operate at the same level as something on a mountain top,

816
01:08:53,670 --> 01:08:59,490
but it can still use the same frequencies and the same equipment and provide coverage to the area.

817
01:09:00,790 --> 01:09:02,430
We can't see your screen.

818
01:09:02,650 --> 01:09:03,470
We can't see it right here.

819
01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:04,310
I'm sorry.

820
01:09:04,850 --> 01:09:07,690
Well, that's something I can remedy.

821
01:09:09,810 --> 01:09:10,930
Can you see the screen now?

822
01:09:11,150 --> 01:09:12,030
Yes, now we can.

823
01:09:12,330 --> 01:09:12,610
Okay.

824
01:09:12,810 --> 01:09:17,690
So I was circling this one here because it's one of the lowest rise pictures that we've

825
01:09:17,690 --> 01:09:19,490
got, or the lowest rise pieces of infrastructure.

826
01:09:20,190 --> 01:09:23,970
But you would have normal cellular antennas within that platform, but it doesn't need

827
01:09:23,970 --> 01:09:30,590
to operate at the same radio power, the same ERP as what we'd call it, as a tower on

828
01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:32,350
a mountaintop, if that makes any sense.

829
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:33,830
No, that does make sense.

830
01:09:33,830 --> 01:09:34,930
So let me ask you something.

831
01:09:35,170 --> 01:09:42,150
When you mapped the say that the one I was talking about,

832
01:09:42,210 --> 01:09:43,350
I've almost gotten to it.

833
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:47,130
I can tell you which number page it's on.

834
01:09:47,350 --> 01:09:47,610
Hold on.

835
01:09:47,790 --> 01:09:49,170
I've got mine up.

836
01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:53,710
Anybody else gets to figure out?

837
01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:56,010
I think it was in the 50s.

838
01:09:56,730 --> 01:09:58,610
I'm paging through the document now.

839
01:10:02,770 --> 01:10:03,810
54, Deirdre?

840
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:05,550
Hold on.

841
01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:05,990
Maybe.

842
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:10,460
I'm sorry.

843
01:10:10,460 --> 01:10:12,500
There must be an easier way to do this.

844
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:13,240
There it is.

845
01:10:13,420 --> 01:10:14,400
It's 53.

846
01:10:15,260 --> 01:10:16,060
53, yes.

847
01:10:16,340 --> 01:10:16,760
Slides are three.

848
01:10:17,820 --> 01:10:18,640
This one here?

849
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:19,260
Yeah.

850
01:10:19,500 --> 01:10:19,620
Yeah.

851
01:10:19,940 --> 01:10:28,920
But when you map, say that the tower at Old Post Road is reaching as far as the 150-foot

852
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:35,480
tower in the in-hill, what power is it, is it at to do that, whatever it is?

853
01:10:35,860 --> 01:10:38,380
This one, and I'm going off memory here.

854
01:10:38,380 --> 01:10:45,840
but I believe that this was a 50 foot tower on 150 watts in the 850 megahertz range.

855
01:10:46,300 --> 01:10:50,900
And how does 8 and 150 watts, how does that connect to where it gets?

856
01:10:51,980 --> 01:10:54,620
What would have been, what would be on the 150 foot tower?

857
01:10:55,060 --> 01:10:57,440
For consistency, we ran them at the same.

858
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:09,880
So, in this case, you're talking about putting, again, as I said earlier, a fairly high intensity

859
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:16,390
antenna at both – at 50 feet.

860
01:11:17,150 --> 01:11:22,050
What does that do to the calculations for figuring out whether or not an antenna meets

861
01:11:22,730 --> 01:11:26,170
FCC requirements or for the cap on?

862
01:11:26,170 --> 01:11:32,790
That would – good question. That would need to be run generally if you're on a 50-foot tower.

863
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:36,910
Our experience is that you'll still be within the FCC guidelines.

864
01:11:37,150 --> 01:11:41,350
Generally, at those levels, you're well, well within the FCC guidelines.

865
01:11:42,010 --> 01:11:47,690
But that would – excuse me – that would absolutely need to be modeled and run by a RF –

866
01:11:47,690 --> 01:11:50,150
someone that performs the RF engineering for that.

867
01:11:50,810 --> 01:11:54,630
Yeah. And you would be in addition to that.

868
01:11:54,630 --> 01:12:00,450
So you would meet the guidelines, be below the guidelines, but still probably be higher

869
01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:02,250
than you would for the 150 foot.

870
01:12:02,770 --> 01:12:07,190
From our experience, it would meet the guidelines, and logic would say it would be lower because

871
01:12:07,190 --> 01:12:13,970
the farther you get from the RF source, the lower the RF, the maximal, permissible exposure

872
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:15,330
is, the MPEs.

873
01:12:17,230 --> 01:12:20,490
Diane, do you want to say something?

874
01:12:20,490 --> 01:12:27,370
I just a question. I'm not quite understanding what you're saying and if you could just go

875
01:12:27,370 --> 01:12:34,330
through for me, but what it seems to be is that if you're at just a 50-foot height with

876
01:12:34,330 --> 01:12:44,710
the same radiation, it's going to be instead of being like 150 feet above someone's head

877
01:12:44,710 --> 01:12:52,470
and 500 feet from their house, now you're talking about making it only 50 feet, you know,

878
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:57,310
which means like 40 feet above their head and maybe 50 feet from a house.

879
01:12:57,570 --> 01:13:04,550
I know we're not supposed to consider the health effects of the frequency,

880
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:12,670
but it just, are you telling me that there is no difference in how that can affect people?

881
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:20,490
So, real quick, if Kim can unmute Brian, he actually just came to me and asked if he could be unmuted. He can weigh in on this.

882
01:13:21,150 --> 01:13:22,910
I have to try and.

883
01:13:23,230 --> 01:13:34,090
Okay. So, to answer the question from a high level, will the RF exposure be more than from a tower that is one mile away?

884
01:13:34,090 --> 01:13:43,030
And would the tower be, would the RF exposure be less from that tower one mile away from a tower that's 15 miles away, the answer would naturally be yes.

885
01:13:43,950 --> 01:13:56,710
From the FCC's perspective, though, they'll also look at the maximal permissible exposures, the MPEs, and if you are 5% versus 7%, you're still within those guidelines.

886
01:13:56,950 --> 01:14:01,990
And again, like you just mentioned, we're not allowed to consider those, but we also want to make sure that it's reasonable.

887
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:08,230
But we're not talking one mile away, I'm sorry, but we're not talking one mile away or a mile away.

888
01:14:08,710 --> 01:14:19,090
We're talking about sites that, for example, you've given us where the tower at Indian Hill is more than 100 feet away from any residents.

889
01:14:19,090 --> 01:14:24,850
The one on all post road is I believe within within a hundred feet of a residence.

890
01:14:25,130 --> 01:14:29,770
I think maybe 200 feet, but I think it's more like a hundred feet of a residence.

891
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:31,730
So it's bouncing through.

892
01:14:32,410 --> 01:14:33,610
Can you hear me now?

893
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:35,390
Gotcha, Brian.

894
01:14:35,890 --> 01:14:36,230
Okay.

895
01:14:36,650 --> 01:14:39,790
So there's a code section in the FCC.

896
01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:48,430
And I also refer to the bullets in 65, which is the science required for determining this.

897
01:14:48,430 --> 01:14:59,110
So the FCC says anything that is above 32 feet is categorically safe for all of the emissions.

898
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:07,480
The bulletin 65 goes into more depth, which talks about the horizontal distance as well as

899
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:16,040
the vertical distance. In our experience, anything that is more than about four to six feet away

900
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:23,220
from directly in front of the antennas becomes safe. And we know this because we do this on

901
01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:31,120
building tops all of the time where we have what's called controlled environment, which

902
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,560
are your roof workers.

903
01:15:33,620 --> 01:15:39,380
And you'll find that they're gated or skirted around the antennas out to a certain distance.

904
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:45,380
And we measure that with attached radmands to their belt, essentially.

905
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:51,060
So those go off if they ever get into that envelope within that six feet area

906
01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:51,500
or so.

907
01:15:51,500 --> 01:16:03,640
And then we usually calculate that down into the first floor of a building so that the top floor of a residence or school or whatever, we calculate it below the ground, below the roof.

908
01:16:04,220 --> 01:16:19,680
So from the experience level that we have, the knowledge that the FCC bulletin 65, which is the science part of the FCC for non-ionizing radiation levels.

909
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:29,560
And what the FCC has essentially mandated in their order is that roughly anything above

910
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,100
32 feet is categorically safe.

911
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:41,360
Now, and I do understand that in terms of making decisions about these things, we are

912
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:41,880
preempted.

913
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,740
We don't base our decisions on the health issues.

914
01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:58,840
So I'm thinking of this more from a categorical point of view, you know, part of what I was

915
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:05,240
hoping for from this, because as some of the representatives from the Friends of Indian

916
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:11,100
Hill have said, these sell tower applications are among the worst that we have to deal

917
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:22,280
with because we are preempted and so much and because there's nobody who wants them, frankly,

918
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:28,680
sometimes for pathetic reasons, but often for reasons that the federal government doesn't

919
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:34,440
recognize and that may not be entirely rational. I am married to a scientist or a physicist

920
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:47,340
And I do on a personal level, I'm pretty well convinced that I probably get more damage from the cell phone I put up to my ear than I do from any of the towers that I look that far away from.

921
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:51,660
But, but if we're talking about finding

922
01:17:53,930 --> 01:18:04,430
multiple sites, smaller sites that have all the same RF characteristics of the fall tower sites, only we're going to have more of them.

923
01:18:05,290 --> 01:18:14,250
Then we would have the tower sites. I think it's something we have to have to consider. But that's why I wanted to make sure that that's actually what you were saying.

924
01:18:14,770 --> 01:18:23,470
The one added note that I would say is that the pole configuration is a single carrier and the envelope.

925
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:29,130
for the near levels for that single pole is from the single carrier.

926
01:18:29,730 --> 01:18:32,450
As soon as you put multiple carriers on the same pole,

927
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:38,130
it becomes additive and totally collective on the radiation envelope that comes out of there.

928
01:18:38,490 --> 01:18:42,850
So it's not – each carrier is independent of each other.

929
01:18:43,090 --> 01:18:44,530
They are collective at that point.

930
01:18:45,390 --> 01:18:48,710
But then if you have four carriers on Olfo's Road,

931
01:18:48,850 --> 01:18:50,930
you're going to have four of these poles in a row.

932
01:18:52,990 --> 01:18:55,870
Yeah, but they never become collective.

933
01:18:56,690 --> 01:19:01,210
You have separation at that point, whereas the tower at Indian Hill Park, you would have,

934
01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:06,850
the plan or the goal would be to have four wireless carriers within a thousand feet of at least ten households.

935
01:19:07,410 --> 01:19:11,710
And then you have to add those numbers together where a utility pole, again,

936
01:19:11,770 --> 01:19:16,670
if you're using a surgical approach to add multiple sites in the infill areas that you need,

937
01:19:17,630 --> 01:19:21,130
operating at the highest levels possible is not required.

938
01:19:22,030 --> 01:19:25,810
So it gives you more control and it gives more flexibility when modeling that.

939
01:19:25,930 --> 01:19:30,630
Something that the town could do is ask the wireless carriers for the exposure levels

940
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:34,870
to ask for verification that they are complying with that so that you have that assurance.

941
01:19:35,530 --> 01:19:40,050
No, we definitely do that on all of them. We would ask for that on Indian Hill.

942
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:41,350
We would ask for it.

943
01:19:41,810 --> 01:19:42,050
Good.

944
01:19:42,170 --> 01:19:45,150
We'll be asking for it in Homeland. We've asked for it before.

945
01:19:45,150 --> 01:19:47,270
or Mr. Cattoliano, did you want to?

946
01:19:48,750 --> 01:19:50,950
No, you guys actually covered everything

947
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:53,070
I had a question about, so.

948
01:19:53,970 --> 01:19:59,890
As for the number of houses that are close on Indian Hill,

949
01:20:00,150 --> 01:20:03,770
that's, that there are a number within 1,000 feet,

950
01:20:04,150 --> 01:20:06,770
but in some of the other places you've suggested,

951
01:20:07,470 --> 01:20:08,190
I'm just trying to,

952
01:20:08,910 --> 01:20:12,970
I'm trying to be clear on what the problems we face are

953
01:20:12,970 --> 01:20:19,250
because I think they haven't been explained to you as clearly as they could.

954
01:20:19,890 --> 01:20:24,770
If you consider the water tower, for example, in Bedford Village,

955
01:20:26,890 --> 01:20:33,670
there are a number of houses within 500 feet of that. I'm not quite sure how many at this point,

956
01:20:36,850 --> 01:20:44,630
but because Bedford Village is a denser place, but the other issue is you've proposed an 80-foot

957
01:20:44,630 --> 01:20:54,010
In the one example you've given, you pose an 80-foot tower, a mini-tower who will in front

958
01:20:54,010 --> 01:21:01,090
of the water tower, wouldn't that be clearly visible from Sunnyfield Farm and from the approach

959
01:21:01,090 --> 01:21:11,290
to Sunnyfield Farm, which is one of our major scenic areas, would even as an 80-foot

960
01:21:11,290 --> 01:21:20,650
tower by the water tower do that. If it were on the other, we have considered the water tower

961
01:21:21,190 --> 01:21:27,430
were lower kind of tower, more of a small cell kind of thing, and putting the antenna behind

962
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:33,070
the water tower. But where you're proposing it, it's 80 feet, and it's in front of the water

963
01:21:33,070 --> 01:21:39,490
tower. And I mean, we do a balloon test there and find it, find out I may be wrong about

964
01:21:39,490 --> 01:21:44,190
the visual impact. So something to keep in mind and you're all of your concerns

965
01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:49,790
are very they're important to consider but what we're looking at is we're not

966
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:53,890
recommending any specific location as much as we're looking at alternatives

967
01:21:53,890 --> 01:21:59,930
that are available. So a utility pole or an 80-foot pole behind the water tower

968
01:21:59,930 --> 01:22:04,170
versus next to the tower is not what we're looking at in this scenario

969
01:22:04,170 --> 01:22:08,330
because either of those would probably be viable. What we're looking at is are

970
01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:14,150
alternatives that could be used? And the answer is categorically yes. Where those are placed would

971
01:22:14,150 --> 01:22:17,350
be something that the town and the wireless carriers would need to work together on.

972
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:28,190
And that's the problem. I know that the public often doesn't understand that we've

973
01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:34,650
been looking at these for a very long time and desperately looking for alternatives.

974
01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:40,230
and what I have to admit I was hoping and praying for was that there was a new

975
01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:48,670
technology that we were unaware of because you know when when people said

976
01:22:48,670 --> 01:22:55,690
we could use three three of these and take care of all all the problems and they

977
01:22:55,690 --> 01:23:04,210
could be in these specific places it seemed to it seemed very promising but

978
01:23:04,210 --> 01:23:11,510
So what I looked at when I saw this is, what I looked at first, I have to admit, I totally

979
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:12,370
misunderstood it.

980
01:23:12,510 --> 01:23:16,770
And I saw a small cell, I saw what you were proposing, a small cell.

981
01:23:17,870 --> 01:23:21,350
And they just don't go as far as you were saying these came.

982
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:29,070
So it was a revelation when you started talking about, when you sent us answers to the questions

983
01:23:29,070 --> 01:23:30,610
and told us they were regular towers.

984
01:23:30,610 --> 01:23:34,770
And at first, I said to myself, I didn't know you could do that, and then I started thinking

985
01:23:34,770 --> 01:23:36,950
about it and saying, I'm not sure I want you to do that.

986
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:43,560
And I find myself

987
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:57,220
offering a hope to people that I don't think is likely to actually

988
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:58,500
be fulfilled.

989
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:05,340
Could you share some specific concerns? I mean, the RF exposure, we understand that. We also

990
01:24:05,340 --> 01:24:12,360
understand it's something that is difficult to quantify. What other concerns about viability

991
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:13,620
are there on the town's part?

992
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:21,480
Okay. When you finally gave us a map, one thing that actually showed a possible combination

993
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:27,320
And the coverage is very good on the slide that you've got showing right now.

994
01:24:27,660 --> 01:24:34,680
It includes, first of all, the 80-foot pole at the water tank in a place that our wireless people had already,

995
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:42,180
I believe, looked at and decided this was a problem visually because of the – because of Sunnyfield Farm.

996
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:47,420
But then you also show a 100-foot pole within the transmission easement line,

997
01:24:47,420 --> 01:24:54,740
which is a fantastic idea, which we spent hours trying to talk nice again to letting us do and in Bedford Hills

998
01:24:54,740 --> 01:24:58,780
I mean it it's as far as I'm concerned

999
01:24:58,780 --> 01:25:04,300
It's a no-brainer to put even a hundred and fifty foot tower in the transmission line easement

1000
01:25:04,300 --> 01:25:05,940
I have seen it done in other states

1001
01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:11,600
Right above the area where we have we're putting a tower in Bedford Hills

1002
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:17,340
There is a transmission line that would have been made a far superior place

1003
01:25:17,420 --> 01:25:25,640
And I don't think there's anybody in town that would have objected to it, because as we quite rightly pointed out, if you're standing next to a massive transmission.

1004
01:25:28,180 --> 01:25:35,480
What do you care about a cell tower in addition to it you're going to try and not be looking at it in the first place.

1005
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:44,920
I think we'll not agree to it. We've tried. So we don't have those alternatives.

1006
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:52,860
So then we're back to finding more utility pole issues in different areas that we'll do this.

1007
01:25:54,260 --> 01:25:54,860
And

1008
01:25:57,100 --> 01:26:02,280
then I look at where you put the utility poles on Long Ridge Road and Pound Ridge Road.

1009
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:08,880
And the pictures look fine, but the pictures assume that you're going to bury all the equipment.

1010
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,660
That's an awful lot of equipment for antennas that size.

1011
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:21,540
And burying all that equipment is going to be a major construction job,

1012
01:26:22,380 --> 01:26:28,740
as the drawings of the equipment containers going in indicated.

1013
01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:35,900
I notice they were mostly going in pretty urban areas all paved and the rest, but I know you can do it in rural areas.

1014
01:26:36,740 --> 01:26:44,740
But how many of the trees around those holes are going to be left after you've dug the holes to bury the equipment?

1015
01:26:45,620 --> 01:26:53,540
One of the things the neighbors at Stone Hill, you said you watched the public hearing.

1016
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,400
One of the things the neighbors at Stone Hill.

1017
01:26:58,340 --> 01:27:05,800
were upset about was the fact that that tower was going to be so close to the road. These

1018
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:10,200
are going to be even closer to the road. And I don't think it's likely that they are going

1019
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:16,340
to look the way they look in your picture because when you look at those towers in Bill

1020
01:27:16,340 --> 01:27:22,380
Gates's community, there's nowhere near the number of trees in Bill Gates's town.

1021
01:27:22,380 --> 01:27:36,190
it's a whole different aesthetic. So the it it you know yeah well at this point what it seems

1022
01:27:36,190 --> 01:27:45,050
what it seems to me is you know I'm not saying that any of these sites wouldn't be possible I see

1023
01:27:45,050 --> 01:27:52,810
in the chat somebody quickly said we should do a crane test from the water tank I think we

1024
01:27:52,810 --> 01:27:57,530
probably will look at the water tank eventually for something. I doubt it'll be an 80 foot pole and

1025
01:27:57,530 --> 01:28:01,910
I doubt that it'll be in front of the water tank. I think it'll be behind it and maybe if you mapped

1026
01:28:01,910 --> 01:28:09,410
it that way it would it would still work but but what I see is what I'm trying to get across I

1027
01:28:09,410 --> 01:28:15,750
guess is that I don't see these being any easier to put in terms of people's objection to them

1028
01:28:19,130 --> 01:28:27,330
than the tall towers, except that we'll have to do so many more of them, 24. And I doubt

1029
01:28:27,330 --> 01:28:34,350
that there will be any easier to do than a single tower somewhere.

1030
01:28:35,490 --> 01:28:38,050
Respectfully, the ex- I'm sorry, go ahead.

1031
01:28:39,250 --> 01:28:45,730
No, no, Fred. I'm sorry. I got to agree with our chairwoman, dear. Again, my line

1032
01:28:46,330 --> 01:28:47,750
I have to agree with her.

1033
01:28:48,190 --> 01:28:50,390
It is not going to be that simple.

1034
01:28:50,630 --> 01:28:51,610
You're in the right of way.

1035
01:28:52,110 --> 01:28:55,050
You are along the thoroughfares of our town.

1036
01:28:55,310 --> 01:28:59,050
It is going to take, it's an arduous task 24 times over,

1037
01:28:59,350 --> 01:29:00,290
and that is one carried.

1038
01:29:01,950 --> 01:29:03,650
She is absolutely spot on.

1039
01:29:04,250 --> 01:29:07,990
To correct that real quick, it's not 24 per carrier.

1040
01:29:08,630 --> 01:29:10,370
That would be an all-inclusive.

1041
01:29:10,910 --> 01:29:13,590
And something else important to keep in mind is,

1042
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:16,370
in the right-of-way, there are multiple options.

1043
01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:18,910
So the options for putting in equipment,

1044
01:29:19,170 --> 01:29:21,230
burying is one option, screening is another.

1045
01:29:21,730 --> 01:29:25,250
Yep, topography absolutely matters,

1046
01:29:25,570 --> 01:29:28,510
and you do have a different type of tree in your area.

1047
01:29:28,930 --> 01:29:32,350
In the Pacific Northwest where the example was

1048
01:29:32,350 --> 01:29:33,370
in Bill Gates' neighborhood,

1049
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:35,450
the difference they have is evergreens,

1050
01:29:35,530 --> 01:29:36,670
where it's there all year.

1051
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:40,290
So I understand the concern.

1052
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:45,290
Again, what we're proposing is an option that is viable that does work.

1053
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:48,150
The coverage that can be provided is feasible.

1054
01:29:48,810 --> 01:29:50,350
It just takes a matter of looking at it.

1055
01:29:50,590 --> 01:29:53,470
Now, are there concerns and is there disruption when you're creating this?

1056
01:29:53,650 --> 01:29:53,770
Yes.

1057
01:29:53,770 --> 01:29:59,970
is permitting a, or is installing a 50-foot tower that doesn't

1058
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,580
We don't require a 35-foot foundation that has a concrete basket less intrusive than a

1059
01:30:06,580 --> 01:30:11,620
tower. Of course, it is because utility companies replace utility poles all the time. And we've

1060
01:30:11,620 --> 01:30:17,120
seen it in a number of locations where they do replace these utility poles. So we understand

1061
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:22,400
your concern and their valid. What we also do is we see these go in in a lot of locations

1062
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:27,440
across the country and they do work. But again, what we're proposing is not specific

1063
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:35,660
locations, but alternatives that do work that some of them may not be feasible based on the specific location that was represented.

1064
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:40,200
But again, the wireless carriers will ultimately determine what their coverage needs are.

1065
01:30:40,780 --> 01:30:48,340
And then working together, the town can provide a minimally invasive solution that doesn't require multiple large towers across the town.

1066
01:30:50,140 --> 01:30:55,280
You know, I can tell I'm glancing at the chat and I know people are getting upset with me

1067
01:30:55,280 --> 01:31:03,340
because I'm finding holes in this and it's not really what I intended to try to do, but...

1068
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:19,320
Dita, I think the difference in opinion comes from, you know, our knowledge of building thousands of sites

1069
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:24,160
and what we see on a daily basis since this is our business.

1070
01:31:25,580 --> 01:31:31,740
And Bedford hasn't done this yet, so do one or two and see how you like it,

1071
01:31:31,820 --> 01:31:37,280
because it does work. It is one of the better things to do.

1072
01:31:38,300 --> 01:31:43,020
And keep in mind that no matter what you do at Bedford Hills Park,

1073
01:31:43,020 --> 01:31:53,840
You have to build another site or possibly two sites to fill the coverage deficits that are created or left behind because of that.

1074
01:31:54,260 --> 01:31:55,940
One site just doesn't do it.

1075
01:31:55,940 --> 01:32:03,620
Now, I understand that, but I see that there is a difference between a,

1076
01:32:11,540 --> 01:32:12,680
sorry, I just got

1077
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:17,380
a text message from Diane, Kim, Diane can't unmute herself.

1078
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:19,600
I

1079
01:32:21,650 --> 01:32:26,670
see a difference between a small cell, which in Bedford Hills, for example, is something

1080
01:32:26,670 --> 01:32:28,350
that I think is being considered.

1081
01:32:28,350 --> 01:32:38,730
And what you're talking about, which is essentially a macro antenna, it's, and it has, you know,

1082
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:42,770
you say telephone poles are replaced all the time.

1083
01:32:43,230 --> 01:32:44,930
And of course they're replaced all the time.

1084
01:32:45,450 --> 01:32:51,130
Do they have bolts that have equipment in them that get replaced with them?

1085
01:32:51,190 --> 01:32:58,330
I've never seen a telephone pole that's had a bolt of the size of the one that you showed in that picture.

1086
01:32:59,150 --> 01:33:08,590
That's, that vault can hold more cabinets than what you typically find out there for macro cells at this point.

1087
01:33:09,330 --> 01:33:19,810
The macro cells that are being built are typically two cabinets, one for battery and utility and the second one for the actual control and internet.

1088
01:33:20,230 --> 01:33:25,450
And all of the radios are now at the top of the towers or the poles, so they're becoming minimized.

1089
01:33:25,450 --> 01:33:33,630
That's just one model of a vault that's done by castle concrete.

1090
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:43,270
There are other vaults, and you can even do more compact above site stuff.

1091
01:33:44,450 --> 01:33:50,870
So, as Brett was saying, your comments, we could answer those.

1092
01:33:51,530 --> 01:34:00,770
We could give you more examples. We could probably take you to see a couple of them in a neighborhood as soon as we locate them, something that's out in your neck of the woods.

1093
01:34:01,550 --> 01:34:11,550
But these are done more often than not. And the percentage of poles that are being put in versus large towers is astronomical.

1094
01:34:13,130 --> 01:34:15,170
Small poles or small cells?

1095
01:34:15,950 --> 01:34:17,810
No, no. Small polls.

1096
01:34:20,050 --> 01:34:24,830
And here's an example of when I was building out all of the networks

1097
01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:32,550
across the country for T-Mobile between the years 2000 and 2004, thousands and thousands

1098
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:39,130
of sites. I was able to build Portland in the surrounding area because they had a code

1099
01:34:39,130 --> 01:34:43,630
that was similar to yours, which allowed for 50 feet by right,

1100
01:34:43,770 --> 01:34:46,050
as long as you made your 35-foot setbacks

1101
01:34:46,050 --> 01:34:47,110
from your property lines.

1102
01:34:47,790 --> 01:34:52,910
My competitors were all trying to build 150-foot monopoles

1103
01:34:53,550 --> 01:34:56,790
and 125-foot monopoles in many cases.

1104
01:34:58,170 --> 01:35:02,290
And they were going to take over two years to get it done.

1105
01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:07,430
I got the entire city and most of the surrounding communities

1106
01:35:07,430 --> 01:35:14,070
done in about seven months because I just literally bought up a heap of poles

1107
01:35:14,610 --> 01:35:19,030
and put them in by right and they look great and they're still there today.

1108
01:35:19,610 --> 01:35:24,630
Could you show it? That's interesting. I'd really like to see a picture of

1109
01:35:24,630 --> 01:35:25,190
some of those.

1110
01:35:27,230 --> 01:35:30,450
They're just like what Brett was showing you. I used a

1111
01:35:30,450 --> 01:35:36,530
combination of steel poles and concrete and concrete aggregate poles. When I go

1112
01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:40,990
downtown I use concrete aggregate to match again nature matches as much as I

1113
01:35:40,990 --> 01:35:46,190
can. Some pictures in the more rural areas that you put it something that the

1114
01:35:46,190 --> 01:35:51,290
parts of it that are closer to Bedford but that might help convince me that this

1115
01:35:51,290 --> 01:35:57,590
is more of a new area. And the poles we were suggesting for the Bedford area

1116
01:35:57,590 --> 01:36:03,990
being in the tree area is there's a fiberglass pole a hollow core pole

1117
01:36:03,990 --> 01:36:12,110
that you can order to length, specific for the wireless carriers, and they are nature-matched.

1118
01:36:12,830 --> 01:36:19,690
So, you know, they go in and you can even replace the power line poles and put the power right on those poles,

1119
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:24,270
so they don't have to be exclusive to the wireless carriers.

1120
01:36:25,650 --> 01:36:27,750
Jeff, did you have something to say?

1121
01:36:32,890 --> 01:36:39,970
I just wanted to say that this whole discussion began because of an application from Verizon.

1122
01:36:40,610 --> 01:36:44,530
So I think it would be really helpful if we could find something in our region that Verizon

1123
01:36:44,530 --> 01:36:46,050
has done along this line.

1124
01:36:46,490 --> 01:36:48,030
Is there something you know like that?

1125
01:36:49,390 --> 01:36:52,850
Well, we're having a hard time getting Verizon to talk to us.

1126
01:36:53,530 --> 01:36:57,730
I think it's up to you guys to, you know, we'd be glad to sit down.

1127
01:36:57,730 --> 01:37:01,450
down and have a meeting with Verizon, obviously, over Zoom.

1128
01:37:02,450 --> 01:37:05,370
But they're not going to talk to us at this point.

1129
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:08,430
They want a 150-foot pole in a park.

1130
01:37:09,050 --> 01:37:12,790
But has Verizon done an installation similar to this?

1131
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:16,490
Like I said, I don't know about your area specifically.

1132
01:37:17,730 --> 01:37:19,870
But if you could reach out to them,

1133
01:37:19,950 --> 01:37:23,450
we'd be glad to help wrangle that steer to the ground.

1134
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:24,910
I'm sure they're listening.

1135
01:37:25,410 --> 01:37:26,510
I just want to correct something.

1136
01:37:26,510 --> 01:37:34,490
There is no proposal. There is no cell tower at Gard Hill, and there's no proposal to raise one to 140 feet.

1137
01:37:35,550 --> 01:37:37,410
That's all radio tower installation.

1138
01:37:38,370 --> 01:37:43,350
I believe there was a comment in one of the reports that had mentioned raising that to 140 feet.

1139
01:37:44,370 --> 01:37:45,490
Yes, radio, not cell.

1140
01:37:46,010 --> 01:37:46,490
Correct.

1141
01:37:48,510 --> 01:37:50,190
Diane, did you want to say something?

1142
01:37:50,190 --> 01:37:57,190
Yeah, just going back and sort of reiterating what you said, Deidre, we had asked Verizon

1143
01:37:57,190 --> 01:38:05,330
about putting the equipment in a vault and sinking it when we were discussing the other

1144
01:38:05,330 --> 01:38:10,990
towers because we think that would drastically decrease the visual impact of these things.

1145
01:38:12,010 --> 01:38:17,930
And they said in the topography here, that's very difficult because there are often

1146
01:38:19,390 --> 01:38:24,590
There's often a lot of rock, but again, it would depend on an individual site, but to

1147
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:32,070
be able to put in 25 of those right next to a road and not hit rock would be more difficult

1148
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:32,630
here.

1149
01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:39,210
We've had these other problems with things in the right-of-way in this town that's

1150
01:38:39,210 --> 01:38:46,490
sort of unique to the town, and that's the thing in bike paths in the right-of-way.

1151
01:38:46,490 --> 01:38:52,390
There are stone walls and trees which have prevented us from putting in what we would

1152
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:57,190
really love, which is bike trails that are with the road all over the town.

1153
01:38:57,970 --> 01:39:06,130
So these ideas are really great if they work, but these are impediments that we have seen

1154
01:39:06,890 --> 01:39:07,950
around here.

1155
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:19,230
Again, I'd like to get some more of the technical end of things. It was a problem for me that

1156
01:39:19,230 --> 01:39:28,570
the examples of coverage that were used used the same intensity for the 50-foot towers,

1157
01:39:28,710 --> 01:39:37,390
for the 150-foot tower, because it doesn't make sense to me that the lower ones would

1158
01:39:37,390 --> 01:39:44,810
have the same impact. But I may be misunderstanding the technology. So could I ask Mr. Taglia

1159
01:39:44,810 --> 01:39:51,110
Ferry, our consultant, to chime in on this a little bit? Is this something we should be

1160
01:39:51,110 --> 01:39:55,570
looking at more seriously? Does the logic work? Are we overlooking something here?

1161
01:39:56,230 --> 01:40:02,870
Oh, sorry. What was that, Chairman? I'm wondering, am I being unreasonable in

1162
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:08,910
what I'm talking about of being concerned that these towers are not actually going to

1163
01:40:08,910 --> 01:40:12,270
match what we could get from the Indian Hill.

1164
01:40:13,650 --> 01:40:20,150
Well, the thing is, there would be more of them, like, which was presented in order to

1165
01:40:20,150 --> 01:40:23,130
match the coverage for the central tower.

1166
01:40:24,590 --> 01:40:29,030
And the thing is, I mean, you have to remember that it's all driven by Verizon originally

1167
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:36,010
originally came to the town looking for a solution in this area, and, you know, they

1168
01:40:36,010 --> 01:40:39,670
would, they're the ones that are going to have to ultimately, you know, we can present

1169
01:40:39,670 --> 01:40:45,670
them with other options or multiple site solutions, but they're the ones that are ultimately

1170
01:40:45,670 --> 01:40:47,690
going to have to agree on that to do it.

1171
01:40:49,050 --> 01:40:52,830
And when you're talking to small cells or if they're going to put utility poles

1172
01:40:52,830 --> 01:40:59,510
and typically they may need to involve the third party infrastructure like the crown castle

1173
01:41:00,350 --> 01:41:06,950
or an extinet to come in and put in to build the infrastructure for a small cell or smaller

1174
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:11,930
multiple site solutions that Verizon may not be willing to do.

1175
01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:18,930
Extinet usually is for small cells directly not they don't generally build the lower

1176
01:41:18,930 --> 01:41:23,730
elevation macro sites, correct? Right. They're basically a DAS network.

1177
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:28,390
And same as Crown. Crown, we're talking low solutions, yeah.

1178
01:41:30,450 --> 01:41:34,510
But for small cells, as an alternative, DAS would be,

1179
01:41:36,090 --> 01:41:39,490
would be another alternative, but you would then need a lot more sites,

1180
01:41:40,530 --> 01:41:45,450
accommodate additional carriers as well, where these small cells would basically,

1181
01:41:45,450 --> 01:41:49,870
Basically, like Chairwoman was saying, macro sites just at a lower level.

1182
01:41:50,770 --> 01:41:59,270
And the thing is, too, we can identify areas, but we still have the issue of finding exactly

1183
01:41:59,270 --> 01:42:04,870
the locations that will work for Verizon, because everything we're saying now is speculation

1184
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:12,730
on what will work for them, where they're only asking for one tower in one location.

1185
01:42:12,730 --> 01:42:16,010
They're not looking to cover the entire town right now.

1186
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:21,490
So then, to be fair, this proposal is to bring the entire town either.

1187
01:42:22,190 --> 01:42:24,210
It's just that the deluge area.

1188
01:42:25,090 --> 01:42:26,130
But I...

1189
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:36,110
Maybe I should pose the question to Al, just to reiterate, if Verizon or if the town were

1190
01:42:36,110 --> 01:42:40,030
to say, this is our wireless code and these are the type of structures that we would

1191
01:42:40,770 --> 01:42:45,370
need to see, would you see a model in which Verizon or the other wireless carriers

1192
01:42:45,370 --> 01:42:49,610
could build a model using the lower solutions, non-DAS,

1193
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:52,830
non-small cell, still using the macro site.

1194
01:42:53,330 --> 01:42:57,670
But do you see a model in which they could cover the town using the lower elevation towers?

1195
01:42:58,850 --> 01:43:01,110
Yeah, they certainly can.

1196
01:43:01,930 --> 01:43:05,870
The thing is they would have to identify specific locations

1197
01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:12,110
and mark those locations and run their modeling to make sure that it would all work.

1198
01:43:12,810 --> 01:43:27,410
I'm sure they could do that. The question is, will they do it? Because this case law that says the town probably can't force them to use a certain technology when another type is available.

1199
01:43:27,410 --> 01:43:47,170
So that's what we're trying to find the best trade-off where, you know, do we want multiple sites that could be, that could ultimately be more visible to the community than one tower, you know, in a specific location, wherever that might be, Hickory or Stonehill or Indian Hill.

1200
01:43:47,170 --> 01:43:53,010
I'm wondering when you were developing this site,

1201
01:43:53,170 --> 01:43:58,990
did you talk to any residents who were volunteering sites near them

1202
01:43:58,990 --> 01:44:02,090
for these small towers?

1203
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:10,970
It's a little preliminary for that simply because what we were tasked

1204
01:44:10,970 --> 01:44:13,650
to do is find if alternative solutions would work.

1205
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:18,470
Ultimately, the wireless carriers would need to propose the sites.

1206
01:44:19,450 --> 01:44:26,650
So getting in front of property owners or other people to talk about something like that was outside the scope of what we were needing to do,

1207
01:44:27,250 --> 01:44:31,450
since we were simply looking at, is there an alternative type of site that would work?

1208
01:44:32,170 --> 01:44:36,350
Unfortunately, what people don't understand is it is our scope of what we have to do.

1209
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:36,770
Absolutely.

1210
01:44:36,770 --> 01:44:45,890
I had to do under under law and it would be it would certainly be helpful in selling me

1211
01:44:45,890 --> 01:44:59,910
on this idea if if I saw some folks who live near potentially viable sites who said we think

1212
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:59,970
Thank you very much for watching.

1213
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,860
Saw some folks who live near potentially viable sites who said, we think this is a good enough

1214
01:45:10,860 --> 01:45:19,800
idea that we wouldn't fight it here. Because I'll tell you, as soon as one site was identified,

1215
01:45:20,100 --> 01:45:27,540
we got on Indian Hill Road, we got an email saying that that particular homeowner was not

1216
01:45:27,540 --> 01:45:35,440
least bit interested in that one. And then when your report came through, and I have to say this

1217
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:41,580
bothered me a little bit, when your report came through, although you used the site on Indian Hill

1218
01:45:41,580 --> 01:45:47,900
Road in some of your examples on your chart, you actually said that that one wasn't a good site

1219
01:45:47,900 --> 01:45:54,720
for ascetic reasons. And I'm wondering why the pole that you think would be fine at

1220
01:45:54,720 --> 01:46:03,920
Old Coast Road and Pound Ridge Road would not be fine on Indian Hill aesthetically.

1221
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:08,800
Maybe something I missed, but I'm not sure I understand.

1222
01:46:09,700 --> 01:46:15,500
So two answers on that one. Just briefly, you know, number one, the poll that is on Indian Hill

1223
01:46:15,500 --> 01:46:21,140
Road was something that was brought up by members of the community. And to be intellectually

1224
01:46:21,140 --> 01:46:29,680
honest, it's actually in use currently. So to ignore that one, it would not be addressing the current situation that exists.

1225
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:39,180
As far as tower locations, what I think we're getting caught up in is we're still talking about specific locations when the locations that we

1226
01:46:39,180 --> 01:46:47,380
reference were specifically meant to be conceptual and the types of locations that would work. The actual locations would have to be approved

1227
01:46:47,380 --> 01:46:52,180
by the town and we have to be requested by the wireless carriers. So if we're discussing

1228
01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:58,480
those specific locations, we're not suggesting any specific location. We were simply modeling

1229
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:03,340
options that do work, showing that other technology or other locations and other types

1230
01:47:03,340 --> 01:47:05,460
of structures are in fact viable.

1231
01:47:12,610 --> 01:47:24,450
I would like to see us continue to look at this, but I have some, I was looking for something

1232
01:47:24,450 --> 01:47:31,850
new that I hadn't heard before, and I don't mean to insult you, and there is the idea

1233
01:47:31,850 --> 01:47:39,450
that you would use the macro technology antennas on a shorter site is, I wouldn't call it new

1234
01:47:39,450 --> 01:47:47,130
technology, but it's an idea I hadn't considered. But my reaction to it is, frankly, now instead of

1235
01:47:48,170 --> 01:47:56,250
one or two applications in a year that drag on forever where people are upset and distressed,

1236
01:47:56,770 --> 01:48:00,910
and the rest I'm now going to be chairing meetings. I'm not going to be doing anything

1237
01:48:00,910 --> 01:48:06,250
but chairing meetings over placing towers, because as you say, each one has to be chosen,

1238
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:11,570
each one has to be argued about. I don't see the basis for the argument that's been made

1239
01:48:11,570 --> 01:48:19,610
that nobody will get to these. So if, again, I guess I'm putting this out as a challenge to

1240
01:48:19,610 --> 01:48:26,830
the community to some extent. If the community thinks this is a good idea, I'd like the

1241
01:48:26,830 --> 01:48:33,450
community to start to actually suggest some possible sites because that's what that's

1242
01:48:33,450 --> 01:48:41,610
essentially what Verizon has forced us into. Yeah, we did. How soon do you think you could

1243
01:48:41,610 --> 01:48:47,930
get the 150 foot tower built in the park? I have no idea.

1244
01:48:50,050 --> 01:48:55,210
I think it that's I don't

1245
01:48:55,210 --> 01:48:56,090
bill cell towers.

1246
01:48:56,970 --> 01:49:00,130
Well, from the planning and approval timeframe,

1247
01:49:00,450 --> 01:49:03,090
isn't that a fairly long lead time,

1248
01:49:03,170 --> 01:49:05,110
even if you considered it today?

1249
01:49:06,590 --> 01:49:09,710
I don't think necessarily, so the biggest question is,

1250
01:49:09,730 --> 01:49:11,430
there is a park alienation issue,

1251
01:49:11,610 --> 01:49:14,770
and that can either take a short time or a long time,

1252
01:49:14,810 --> 01:49:16,930
but that would be the most complicated part of it.

1253
01:49:17,390 --> 01:49:19,650
But I wanna be clear on something.

1254
01:49:20,150 --> 01:49:22,070
That's assuming that, you know,

1255
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:33,970
So, if we go as far as doing the Indian Hill Park one, it will be only after a serious discussion

1256
01:49:33,970 --> 01:49:41,050
of the environmental issues and the rest, there are still things to be quite a bit in the way

1257
01:49:41,050 --> 01:49:42,390
of things to be done on that.

1258
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:58,220
But to some extent, what I'm feeling we're left with is either pursuing that seriously

1259
01:49:58,220 --> 01:50:03,880
to see if it's possible, and we may find out that it's not,

1260
01:50:06,220 --> 01:50:08,520
but pursuing and finding

1261
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:16,580
as possible or or we can turn down the other two locations which we don't like

1262
01:50:19,940 --> 01:50:22,260
and get sued by

1263
01:50:22,260 --> 01:50:28,100
Verizon because I think we'd be having a problem if we did that without seriously considering

1264
01:50:28,100 --> 01:50:36,080
another alternative. And then the courts will put a tower onto either Stone Hill Road or

1265
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:46,480
or Hickory Lane, which are sites which for many reasons we think are truly terrible sites.

1266
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:53,180
The one on Hickory Lane actually that we're rejecting isn't that far off from what you've

1267
01:50:53,180 --> 01:50:54,220
been suggesting.

1268
01:50:54,480 --> 01:51:03,500
It's a monopole, it's a single monopole, one carrier, basically going to look like a flag

1269
01:51:03,500 --> 01:51:11,580
pole, it'll be 115 feet instead of 80 feet or something like that, but it's not that

1270
01:51:11,580 --> 01:51:15,980
different from what you've proposed. And everybody hates it.

1271
01:51:18,980 --> 01:51:21,520
And frankly, they're right. When

1272
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:26,360
we did the balloon test for that, it still stuck up like a sore thumb on the ridge.

1273
01:51:27,540 --> 01:51:46,420
So I don't quite know where, and I don't, from a practical point of view, I don't see where your solution actually makes for the kind of village harmony that I would like to find, and I know people are hating me, absolutely hating me at this moment.

1274
01:51:46,420 --> 01:51:53,420
to saying that, but I just don't see it. And there's another more important issue to have

1275
01:51:53,420 --> 01:51:58,860
to really discuss here, and I think it's just somebody who wants to talk.

1276
01:51:59,300 --> 01:52:04,560
Yeah, Dirk, can I speak just very quickly about this? And I have to agree with you.

1277
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:09,620
It's one you have to make. I think the public needs to understand that in this report,

1278
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:15,420
it's predicated on the approval and you mentioned it, of all of these in unison as a system.

1279
01:52:16,140 --> 01:52:21,420
In other words, you can't approve 18, 3, 5, 1, 2.

1280
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,780
It's got to be the whole plan.

1281
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:33,020
And if that doesn't come to fruition, then the report and the coverage and the capacity and everything that we're seeing here, it's not going to work.

1282
01:52:33,860 --> 01:52:35,860
And I just need everybody to understand it.

1283
01:52:37,020 --> 01:52:41,120
So is that what I guess I would ask on that front, and I'm not disagreeing.

1284
01:52:41,660 --> 01:52:43,680
It absolutely requires coordination.

1285
01:52:44,620 --> 01:52:45,100
Absolutely.

1286
01:52:45,100 --> 01:52:52,100
Knowing that a single tower can't provide the coverage across town, I'm not sure that

1287
01:52:52,100 --> 01:52:56,040
there's much of a difference because the wireless carriers will still need to provide

1288
01:52:56,040 --> 01:53:03,980
additional towers to provide coverage, whether it's 350-foot towers, 250-foot towers.

1289
01:53:04,620 --> 01:53:09,000
We would actually encourage exactly what you just mentioned, have the wireless carriers

1290
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:13,000
come in and present their plan to you to provide coverage to the town.

1291
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:19,560
And that way it's not, oh, a tower at 91 Hickory and then a tower at 68 Stone Hill.

1292
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:25,460
Because when you look at the coverage models for both of those towers, they're covering different areas.

1293
01:53:26,540 --> 01:53:31,540
So if you're going to end up with multiple coverage and multiple requirements at the same time,

1294
01:53:32,300 --> 01:53:36,600
it sounds like it may warrant bringing the carriers in and asking them for the plan to provide coverage.

1295
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:38,840
I've actually been talking about that.

1296
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:41,700
Mr. Secretary, if you have something you want to discuss.

1297
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:46,200
I thought I saw your speaking light come on.

1298
01:53:46,900 --> 01:53:46,980
No?

1299
01:53:47,380 --> 01:53:47,520
Okay.

1300
01:53:49,900 --> 01:53:53,460
Al, do you think, we've been

1301
01:53:55,700 --> 01:54:00,820
hoping from the mapping that we've gotten from cityscape

1302
01:54:00,820 --> 01:54:07,320
and the rest that Indian Hill would in fact take care of a much larger section of the gap

1303
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:17,180
than either of the other two would enough that what would be left would be areas mostly in

1304
01:54:17,180 --> 01:54:22,720
Bedford Village where a small cell technology, something that could be shorter than 50 feet

1305
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:31,160
and a lot less powerful than a macro antenna, probably someplace like the playhouse or

1306
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:44,380
or even the water tower, but something smaller would help fill in the amazing

1307
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:48,340
like terminology

1308
01:54:48,340 --> 01:54:57,320
now that the density, the capacity requirements, do you think if we did something at Indian

1309
01:54:57,320 --> 01:55:04,280
Hill that ultimately we would still need another tower, another macro tower in the

1310
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:04,920
village area?

1311
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:12,800
Well, in that area, based on the coverage that Verizon shows, because originally, if you

1312
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:18,080
remember, they were at Hickory Lane, a lot of that coverage was going into Pound Ridge,

1313
01:55:18,420 --> 01:55:24,900
also, it was more to the south, and the Stone Hill location is a little further north where

1314
01:55:24,900 --> 01:55:31,480
the Indian Hill is more centrally located, and would probably provide, based on the

1315
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:34,520
the maps that they submitted coverage into that village area.

1316
01:55:37,060 --> 01:55:40,720
So, I mean, this is my feeling.

1317
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:43,060
And I think you raise a very good issue.

1318
01:55:43,180 --> 01:55:47,020
We should discuss it and make sure that we're clear

1319
01:55:47,020 --> 01:55:52,440
with Verizon on this that this should satisfy

1320
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:56,420
their needs for a tower in the Bedford Village area,

1321
01:55:56,640 --> 01:55:59,780
their needs for a macro tower in Bedford Village area.

1322
01:55:59,780 --> 01:56:08,420
And again, I don't deny that our consultants are talking about eventually meeting small

1323
01:56:08,420 --> 01:56:13,920
cell technology, but small cell technology, shorter something in the 35 foot range, I

1324
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,800
think, Tom, is that what they've been talking about?

1325
01:56:16,570 --> 01:56:17,360
Yeah, yes.

1326
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:26,820
In the center of the village and potentially in Bedford Hills and Katona as well.

1327
01:56:26,820 --> 01:56:30,320
So that's what we're

1328
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:37,900
looking at. Yes, Diane.

1329
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:45,420
There is one other issue that we haven't talked

1330
01:56:45,420 --> 01:56:57,260
about at all and I think it's a serious one. We've sort of glanced on past to the issue

1331
01:56:57,260 --> 01:57:06,240
emergency services and I'm wondering whether or not our emergency services

1332
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:15,820
people would would be willing to tell us whether the system that has been

1333
01:57:15,820 --> 01:57:23,560
suggested here will work for them. Joe or Hank would you have anything to add

1334
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:24,100
about that.

1335
01:57:26,750 --> 01:57:29,310
Thanks, Deirdre. Hey, Joe.

1336
01:57:29,970 --> 01:57:35,070
The committee has good evening, everyone. The wireless facility working group has reviewed

1337
01:57:36,010 --> 01:57:42,770
the information presented tonight. Obviously, emergency services always welcome to new ideas

1338
01:57:42,770 --> 01:57:50,010
and new technologies. So for clarification, I just wanted to get some clarification from

1339
01:57:50,010 --> 01:57:59,190
Brett, when you mentioned 9-1-1, I assume you're referring to fire, police and EMS communications

1340
01:57:59,190 --> 01:58:00,450
when you say 9-1-1?

1341
01:58:00,570 --> 01:58:06,830
Are you saying 9-1-1, the ability for a resident to dial 9-1-1 and read?

1342
01:58:07,910 --> 01:58:11,430
We've always been talking about what you guys need to be safe out there.

1343
01:58:12,570 --> 01:58:16,290
Yeah, and similar on our end, when we say 9-1-1, it's encompassing all the emergency

1344
01:58:16,290 --> 01:58:16,830
services.

1345
01:58:16,830 --> 01:58:21,110
So, the emergency service providers would be what we were talking about.

1346
01:58:21,870 --> 01:58:22,310
Okay.

1347
01:58:22,970 --> 01:58:23,690
Great clarification.

1348
01:58:25,150 --> 01:58:27,070
A couple of questions regarding FirstNet.

1349
01:58:27,950 --> 01:58:29,650
I've seen it personally myself.

1350
01:58:30,690 --> 01:58:37,770
I've seen it advertised in, you know, trade and some state agencies discussing it.

1351
01:58:39,070 --> 01:58:43,930
As far as from what I could see reviewing it and other committee members when we reviewed the FirstNet site.

1352
01:58:43,930 --> 01:58:51,750
It doesn't appear to be built out in this area at all, so I'm not sure if you have any

1353
01:58:51,750 --> 01:58:57,470
time frames for that or anything regarding that, because when I look at the website,

1354
01:58:59,570 --> 01:59:03,890
there's no mention at all about this area, the plan for a build out.

1355
01:59:04,590 --> 01:59:08,190
Some of the concerns also with FirstNet, I'm not sure how much experience you guys

1356
01:59:08,190 --> 01:59:12,810
have with it and using it in some of the projects that you've worked on, but

1357
01:59:12,810 --> 01:59:21,030
But the initial concerns that we see, and again, the lack of generator backup power for these multiple sites.

1358
01:59:21,870 --> 01:59:36,550
That would be one, and especially in this area, we have an issue with storms, you know, and storms that come through the area and typically what happens here is the poles get knocked down, snapped, and then there's no power to the area.

1359
01:59:36,550 --> 01:59:41,690
So obviously, some of the stuff on utility poles for emergency services would be of concern.

1360
01:59:42,470 --> 01:59:51,190
And also, I'm not really sure how much, how many sites that FirstNet would need to build out just to cover the village along with the town of Bedford.

1361
01:59:51,410 --> 01:59:53,850
So I'm not sure how much experience you've had using this product.

1362
01:59:56,090 --> 01:59:59,890
So real quick, before I answer, Kim, it looks like Brian, some.

1363
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,680
When was the last time, or how long has it been since you looked at the coverage of FirstNet in the area?

1364
02:00:06,500 --> 02:00:09,500
Since you sent your presentation, I was taking a look at it.

1365
02:00:09,700 --> 02:00:20,060
Okay, so AT&T is under some very strict parameters to implement the solution, and they have certain coverage requirements, so they're working diligently on getting that set up and to put in place.

1366
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:24,700
Verizon, as you're probably aware, Verizon also has a competing service that they offer.

1367
02:00:24,700 --> 02:00:35,800
When it comes to the backup, power backup at the cell sites, typically the cellular providers either have it or implementing the

1368
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:40,620
implementing generators at cell sites. And FirstNet operates on the AT&T network.

1369
02:00:41,420 --> 02:00:49,940
So the communication sites would generally have either significant battery backup with a temporary generator able to be brought on

1370
02:00:49,940 --> 02:00:51,940
if the power outage is significant enough,

1371
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,880
or most of them now have generators on sites.

1372
02:00:56,670 --> 02:01:01,540
So all of the FirstNet's got an obligation

1373
02:01:01,540 --> 02:01:03,700
to do about 1,000 sites a month,

1374
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:07,400
adding the antennas and the radio units

1375
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:09,720
for FirstNet exclusively,

1376
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:11,460
and they're putting them on

1377
02:01:11,460 --> 02:01:14,200
all of the AT&T infrastructure at the point.

1378
02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:19,300
They're also obligated to put backup generators

1379
02:01:19,300 --> 02:01:24,700
or at minimum eight hours plus generator plugs at all the sites.

1380
02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:28,200
All of the sites that are in the Northwest, for example,

1381
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:30,560
have already been converted to FirstNet,

1382
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,660
and all of the sites that I'm aware of up here

1383
02:01:33,660 --> 02:01:36,040
have already been converted with generators.

1384
02:01:36,700 --> 02:01:39,040
So I don't know what their build-out plan is

1385
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:40,560
or their strategic plan is,

1386
02:01:40,620 --> 02:01:44,340
but we're seeing this hardening of their network

1387
02:01:45,180 --> 02:02:04,020
far more robust than ever before, including backing up numerous sites, not just fiber, but getting back into making microwave back all, which is, again, it's their back up there.

1388
02:02:05,420 --> 02:02:09,480
Their sites are pretty well hardened just for the first net users.

1389
02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:22,320
I have experienced in the Tacoma area because Seattle Tacoma has been experimenting with both FirstNet and their own network and the statewide network.

1390
02:02:22,900 --> 02:02:24,980
So they've been involved in it quite a bit.

1391
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:33,160
There's various readings, if you will, from the fire personnel that varies.

1392
02:02:33,160 --> 02:02:37,760
The one thing that's consistent is they all think it works great.

1393
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:43,140
They don't like using any network when they're at an incident scene or a fire scene,

1394
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:49,000
and they all revert to a VHF or a UHF simplex channel as their backup,

1395
02:02:49,500 --> 02:02:57,460
which is advocated in all of our work with the fire departments across the country.

1396
02:02:57,460 --> 02:03:03,860
And what we're seeing from FirstNet is that their radio configurations support that piece

1397
02:03:03,860 --> 02:03:06,960
of it, which we think is essential to the incident scenes.

1398
02:03:07,940 --> 02:03:08,360
Patrick.

1399
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:12,080
Brian, also, and you said that was Seattle, that you?

1400
02:03:13,790 --> 02:03:19,920
Seattle Tacoma has a separate network, Seattle Tacoma Olympia basically that swath

1401
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,880
in there, has a separate network of their own.

1402
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:32,620
They've been experimenting with FirstNet and they also have a statewide network that is here that's run by the State Patrol.

1403
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:39,100
They had been using the State Patrol for some time, switched over to their own virtual network.

1404
02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:44,520
And of course, FirstNet and Verizon is supporting product.

1405
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:51,820
The uniqueness about going into this technology is that it's all IP consideration.

1406
02:03:52,520 --> 02:04:01,200
So it's not channelized like you would normally find in a trunk system, which is fairly old technology.

1407
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:08,300
And their IP configurations that they've got can transport across almost any platform and function.

1408
02:04:08,300 --> 02:04:18,240
So if they get out of their range, they can transport into the statewide network or on their own virtual network or the first net network.

1409
02:04:18,720 --> 02:04:32,220
And I'm finding that to be the case in Michigan where I'm doing some work up for another 911 county where the statewide network doesn't have the coverage that it needs for their own virtual towers.

1410
02:04:32,220 --> 02:04:42,120
but by virtue of the IP transportability, they're going into the AT&T and the First Net Networks.

1411
02:04:42,740 --> 02:04:49,740
Yeah, so when you mentioned product as well, do they support the cost? Does AT&T provide the product to the emergency services?

1412
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:56,340
Well, you have to buy the product, and the product is wide-ranging.

1413
02:04:57,580 --> 02:05:03,420
The best product that they've got out there is Motorola wins hands down.

1414
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:12,700
Every time you talk about a 911, Motorola beats Kenwood 2 to 1, and they also beat

1415
02:05:12,700 --> 02:05:16,580
them 2 to 1 in price, so they're more expensive, but the product is exceptional.

1416
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:22,780
Right, so the product would have to be purchased by the town or the user?

1417
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:23,900
That's right.

1418
02:05:25,060 --> 02:05:25,500
Gotcha.

1419
02:05:27,740 --> 02:05:39,420
So I guess the biggest concern and again, very open-minded as an emergency services, you know, the agencies in the town because obviously, you know, right now we run on a system provided by Westchester County, the Fire EMS.

1420
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:50,220
We're running a system, the county is expanding that system, and then in the process of an upgrade right now, our police department runs its own system right now in the town.

1421
02:05:50,700 --> 02:05:56,240
And that's an antiquated system that's being explored. There's an option to go on the town system future.

1422
02:05:56,780 --> 02:06:08,720
For the biggest thing, the biggest concern would be obviously coverage at this point, too, is because the AT&T infrastructure in the town minus any upgrades would be of a concern at this point.

1423
02:06:08,940 --> 02:06:16,040
Obviously purchasing the product. We already have a lot of Motorola products that are, you know, all the products, majority of the product for the county for the new system is provided.

1424
02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:18,040
There is some expense for the end user.

1425
02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:22,960
But again, it would be something that we'd have to look into more, obviously the biggest

1426
02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:31,700
concerns, like I said to you up front, especially here, would be power loss, the utility poles

1427
02:06:31,700 --> 02:06:35,480
being torn down, and a lack of AT&T infrastructure at this point.

1428
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:41,320
We have predominantly Verizon service in town, but it's something that could be looked

1429
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:41,520
at.

1430
02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:44,480
I think there's always pros and cons to everything.

1431
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:53,320
Right. I think you're right in reading that AT&T doesn't have enough infrastructure to fill in the holes.

1432
02:06:53,640 --> 02:07:02,340
The competing product with Verizon, I think, does. When I analyzed the UHF and the BHF portions of your network,

1433
02:07:03,160 --> 02:07:07,640
what I found was you have a lot of outbound signal.

1434
02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:13,800
You've got more signal than you really need or, you know, you don't need to duplicate a bunch

1435
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:18,840
of that everywhere that you go. And in most 911 networks, they need voting receivers,

1436
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:23,860
which is what you've got at the top of the hill now is just a voting receiver. It works.

1437
02:07:24,300 --> 02:07:29,520
It's not a pretty sight. It could be, I could make that look like, you know,

1438
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:36,120
dress it up and you could take it to church. So it's something that's usable,

1439
02:07:36,120 --> 02:07:39,160
But really, you only need voting receivers in a lot of cases.

1440
02:07:39,580 --> 02:07:43,220
And again, they don't need to be on megapoles.

1441
02:07:43,660 --> 02:07:50,060
They can be on telephone poles or even on top of, you know, the one building in town.

1442
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:53,860
And you would, you know, find exceptional quality out of that.

1443
02:07:54,340 --> 02:07:54,660
Right.

1444
02:07:54,880 --> 02:08:00,820
So just to kind of clarify, and I'm not going to, I mean, this is something we obviously think there'll be further discussion, you know, as this continues.

1445
02:08:01,400 --> 02:08:04,780
But, you know, obviously, you know, we run two different systems now.

1446
02:08:04,780 --> 02:08:09,500
So, fire, EMS are on one system that's run, you know, through Westchester County,

1447
02:08:09,880 --> 02:08:15,600
it's a trunk radio system, and the police department runs an analog system, a VHF analog system.

1448
02:08:16,380 --> 02:08:22,060
EMS and fire also rely heavily now, and this is where there's an issue with Bedford Village,

1449
02:08:22,180 --> 02:08:25,260
where Bedford Hills and Katona Fire Department and Katona Bedford Hills EMS

1450
02:08:25,900 --> 02:08:33,520
utilize MDTs on Verizon. So, obviously, that's part of our plan, our emergency operations.

1451
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:37,380
You know, the police department also uses MDTs, so there's a lot of holes in coverage

1452
02:08:37,380 --> 02:08:41,480
and that's, you know, that's been part of our purpose and function, so in addition

1453
02:08:41,480 --> 02:08:48,220
to any of the providing, not only providing residents with access to 911 phone service

1454
02:08:48,220 --> 02:08:54,020
to make calls and cell service, but also making sure that the police and all the first responders

1455
02:08:54,020 --> 02:09:00,660
have adequate cell and data coverage in addition to improving the VHF system for the police

1456
02:09:00,660 --> 02:09:04,800
department plus, you know, the fire department system. I guess.

1457
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:10,820
Oh, absolutely. So would you regard that Verizon and the wireless carriers are an essential

1458
02:09:10,820 --> 02:09:12,680
part of the 911 system?

1459
02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:17,840
I wouldn't say not. I guess not. I guess you refer to it as 911 system. I guess, you

1460
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:21,680
know, because we use 911 here is making that call as well. So I don't want to get that.

1461
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:24,840
You know, I don't want to confuse that with anyone that might be listening.

1462
02:09:25,160 --> 02:09:29,180
Well, the last one would be the actual call, but our emergency networks. Yes, a

1463
02:09:29,180 --> 02:09:37,880
Yes, the police department uses it, the fire departments and EMS use data, you know, for the mobile data terminals, you know, the MDTs in the vehicle.

1464
02:09:38,120 --> 02:09:44,840
So obviously, we, the emergency services has made that a priority to the town to obviously enhance the cell coverage.

1465
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:49,180
You know, obviously the residents have wanted it for themselves. You know, it's seen more.

1466
02:09:49,300 --> 02:09:49,440
Right.

1467
02:09:49,440 --> 02:09:56,140
You know a lot of people with the pandemic are working home, you know using cell phones a lot of people got rid of their home cell

1468
02:09:56,140 --> 02:09:58,320
Their home phone service to use cell phones

1469
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:04,500
So that's that's where we've come together and and looked at and obviously our priority is you know

1470
02:10:04,500 --> 02:10:10,460
Our committee is working on not only the master plan for cellular, but obviously running parallel is

1471
02:10:10,460 --> 02:10:15,440
Infra sorry infrastructure upgrades for you know emergency service

1472
02:10:16,280 --> 02:10:18,720
Exactly, so the point I was gonna raise

1473
02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:27,240
was that, you know, we ran the cellular including Verizon from Guard Hill.

1474
02:10:27,740 --> 02:10:32,060
And I know that knee-jerk reaction is you can't put cellular up on Guard Hill

1475
02:10:32,060 --> 02:10:34,540
because it's not emergency services.

1476
02:10:35,120 --> 02:10:39,920
But in all regards, it is emergency services, both inbound and outbound

1477
02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:46,480
for the origination of an emergency call and also the support of an emergency call.

1478
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:55,940
So we ran it. We just want to open that up to say, you know, there's reason to believe that is a viable site.

1479
02:10:56,460 --> 02:11:02,940
And depending on how you get there, I know Eric's shaking his head, but it's a viable site.

1480
02:11:05,150 --> 02:11:06,790
So you're a support 911.

1481
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:12,730
So you're actually suggesting that guard hill should have itself.

1482
02:11:13,530 --> 02:11:22,110
Oh, absolutely. When we ran that, that's an integral hole that's left open that Guard Hill can satisfy.

1483
02:11:22,750 --> 02:11:28,910
And you don't have to go crazy on the tower up there. I don't think they need to be anything but above the trees.

1484
02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:33,980
I didn't expect.

1485
02:11:35,060 --> 02:11:42,540
I think what you're hearing is we're recommending the use of whatever is the minimal intrusive or the minimum intrusive sites,

1486
02:11:42,540 --> 02:11:47,920
It's looking at all options because there are a lot of viable options and what I've

1487
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:54,020
heard you even say which I'm pleased to hear is there are options for coverage in town

1488
02:11:54,020 --> 02:11:57,940
that may not be viable outside of town and I think that goes right in line with what

1489
02:11:57,940 --> 02:12:01,920
we're talking about is let's look at the different options, let's look at the coverage

1490
02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:08,240
patterns instead of defaulting to a tower, let's default to what fits the code, what

1491
02:12:08,240 --> 02:12:09,920
What is the least intrusive option?

1492
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:11,220
What provides the coverage?

1493
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:12,400
What's safe for the residents?

1494
02:12:13,000 --> 02:12:15,100
What maintains the aesthetics of the community?

1495
02:12:15,700 --> 02:12:17,720
And I think there's an option there that can work.

1496
02:12:20,020 --> 02:12:26,060
I'd like to continue to pursue it, but I think we have to pursue two things together.

1497
02:12:30,040 --> 02:12:35,460
I'd like to get you talking to Verizon to see what their reaction is.

1498
02:12:35,460 --> 02:12:39,040
I'm not quite sure how to succeed in doing that.

1499
02:12:40,820 --> 02:12:42,100
I need some feedback.

1500
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:47,840
You know, I still, I suppose maybe too many years in this job have made me a cynic.

1501
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:56,560
I want to see some folks who think this is a good idea and there are clearly many who

1502
02:12:56,560 --> 02:13:00,740
do coming forward and saying this is where we should put it.

1503
02:13:02,100 --> 02:13:03,860
This is okay with us.

1504
02:13:03,860 --> 02:13:10,780
we'll support a site here, not your kind of site, not the tall tower site, but what they're

1505
02:13:11,540 --> 02:13:16,840
talking about. I did want to make sure that people understood that we're not talking about

1506
02:13:16,840 --> 02:13:25,680
small cell technology, that we're not talking about the small antennas on top of a white.

1507
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:30,360
I want to see some realistic pictures

1508
02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:34,440
of what this would look like

1509
02:13:35,160 --> 02:13:39,560
if you had to bury the vault on the road,

1510
02:13:39,780 --> 02:13:41,300
if it had to clear the trees,

1511
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:44,960
because in the pictures that showed the towers

1512
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:46,960
actually were below the tree line,

1513
02:13:47,300 --> 02:13:49,040
maybe they'll work below the tree line,

1514
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:51,200
but I don't want a picture of one below the tree line

1515
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:52,940
if that actually isn't what will work.

1516
02:13:53,980 --> 02:13:57,240
because that's to be I'm going to be very honest with you that's what we get

1517
02:13:57,240 --> 02:14:03,980
from Verizon when they do a visual analysis it's why we tried to do

1518
02:14:03,980 --> 02:14:10,900
our own visual analysis because what we get that is photographers who would

1519
02:14:10,900 --> 02:14:16,280
stand in front of the tree and take a picture of the balloons in front of the

1520
02:14:16,280 --> 02:14:25,180
tree, and that sort of thing. We've gotten pictures of designs of towers that don't mesh

1521
02:14:25,180 --> 02:14:34,840
at all with what the reality is. We don't want that. We want to see what these will really

1522
02:14:34,840 --> 02:14:42,580
look like. And if they are, because all of the kinds of sites you're suggesting, which

1523
02:14:42,580 --> 02:14:50,880
which are the practical ones to suggest they are all in the right of way, and unlike where

1524
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:58,660
you were able to put in your towers, as you said really quickly, in the town of Bedford,

1525
02:14:58,660 --> 02:14:59,900
every one of those towers is

1526
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,020
I'm going to require a permit. It's unless we change the laws. And I don't think that people are going to want us to change the laws to not require permits for cell towers anymore.

1527
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:11,480
Agreed.

1528
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:19,520
I mean, to be absolutely honest, it would take a load of quite a lot off of our backs because we wouldn't be involved in it anymore.

1529
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,460
more. But I

1530
02:15:24,510 --> 02:15:32,970
want to see, I know why Indian Hill Park is not practical. It's going to be

1531
02:15:32,970 --> 02:15:39,490
very difficult to do something there. Whether, and I'm only going to continue to support

1532
02:15:39,490 --> 02:15:46,290
it if I continue to be convinced that it is the only really reasonable alternative

1533
02:15:46,290 --> 02:15:54,270
it's out there. I'd like you to convince me that yours is a reasonable alternative, but I need

1534
02:15:55,450 --> 02:16:03,850
more realistic drawings or examples, something that really fits here. And I need you to sell

1535
02:16:03,850 --> 02:16:08,990
somebody in town, not just on the idea that it would look nice in the next neighborhood over,

1536
02:16:08,990 --> 02:16:23,790
But that it's something that's acceptable in their neighborhood, assuming their neighborhood is a neighborhood that will provide good service.

1537
02:16:25,090 --> 02:16:38,190
If we're absolutely open to working on some of these, you know, some of these are car before the horse type items but I welcome the drive on your end and I understand your concerns that because you've heard so many different

1538
02:16:38,190 --> 02:16:39,250
and things from different people.

1539
02:16:39,990 --> 02:16:41,830
We would absolutely love to talk to Verizon,

1540
02:16:42,130 --> 02:16:44,230
and that could kick off the next steps

1541
02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:47,490
of understanding where their coverage needs are

1542
02:16:47,490 --> 02:16:49,330
and where a utility poll would need to be placed

1543
02:16:49,330 --> 02:16:50,130
to fit their needs.

1544
02:16:50,790 --> 02:16:51,910
We have some good ideas,

1545
02:16:52,030 --> 02:16:53,130
but ultimately they're the ones

1546
02:16:53,130 --> 02:16:54,170
that would need to request that.

1547
02:16:54,270 --> 02:16:55,430
But if we get in touch with them

1548
02:16:55,430 --> 02:16:57,070
and we're able to have some of these conversations,

1549
02:16:57,250 --> 02:16:59,030
we could take steps on what you're asking for.

1550
02:16:59,790 --> 02:17:02,570
If you can talk them into that.

1551
02:17:02,670 --> 02:17:05,550
We also have a problem called the Shot Clock,

1552
02:17:05,550 --> 02:17:09,170
which I'm sure you're familiar with, since it's part of the federal regulation.

1553
02:17:10,010 --> 02:17:13,030
We've got to drop their deadline of March 31st.

1554
02:17:14,630 --> 02:17:18,650
We have to be able to talk about an alternative

1555
02:17:19,350 --> 02:17:22,650
that we feel that is ultimately doable.

1556
02:17:23,330 --> 02:17:26,250
We don't have to have it settled by then, but it has to be something

1557
02:17:26,250 --> 02:17:29,210
that the courts will accept as an alternative.

1558
02:17:29,210 --> 02:17:36,750
So meet the legal criteria of being, I'm trying to remember the exact words.

1559
02:17:40,430 --> 02:17:42,070
Eric, give me some help here.

1560
02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:46,140
Eric has gone to it.

1561
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:48,420
I think he's muted right now.

1562
02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:49,060
Yep.

1563
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:52,680
So just a quick question while Eric's getting unmuted,

1564
02:17:53,560 --> 02:17:57,980
when the shot clock is in consideration, generally that's only after an application has been filed.

1565
02:17:58,360 --> 02:18:02,620
Do we have one or multiple applications right now for the towers in question?

1566
02:18:02,620 --> 02:18:05,500
There are multiple applications on file.

1567
02:18:05,940 --> 02:18:06,840
Nobody tells you that?

1568
02:18:08,760 --> 02:18:16,580
There has been recently an agreement regarding, you know, a tolling of the shot clock, as the chair said, to March 31st.

1569
02:18:16,960 --> 02:18:22,120
If certainly Verizon could be convinced to extend it longer, we could agree.

1570
02:18:23,020 --> 02:18:29,660
That's understandable. But as we understand it right now, that is not something that has been made an option right now.

1571
02:18:29,660 --> 02:18:33,940
Okay, and is this for both sites, the 91 Hickory and 68 Stonehill?

1572
02:18:35,260 --> 02:18:40,400
Apparently, nobody's actually told you or some people simply don't believe.

1573
02:18:40,940 --> 02:18:46,400
We have been talking about this and studying it and looking at it as has the wireless committee

1574
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:48,120
since 2016.

1575
02:18:48,140 --> 02:18:49,040
17, yeah.

1576
02:18:49,540 --> 02:18:49,860
17.

1577
02:18:50,260 --> 02:18:50,560
Yes, 17.

1578
02:18:50,560 --> 02:18:51,260
We understood, yeah.

1579
02:18:51,480 --> 02:18:52,520
We understood it had been going on.

1580
02:18:52,620 --> 02:18:55,860
We were not, we had heard conflicting information about the application status.

1581
02:18:55,860 --> 02:19:01,600
You can understand the frustration when people assume that we've never seen a

1582
02:19:01,600 --> 02:19:02,120
camouflage.

1583
02:19:06,280 --> 02:19:12,900
That kind of thing. It's and I know at one point I was told that as I

1584
02:19:12,900 --> 02:19:18,640
talked about this cell tower people felt that and probably still feel that I was

1585
02:19:18,640 --> 02:19:24,560
tired of it. Yeah right I'm tired of it because I'm tired of hearing people

1586
02:19:24,560 --> 02:19:30,200
tell me the same thing over and over again and thinking it's new. I'm not tired of looking for an

1587
02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:38,460
option that will really work for the town of Bedford. And if you can convince me that people in this

1588
02:19:38,460 --> 02:19:45,180
part of Bedford Village think that this is the best approach and are willing to get behind it

1589
02:19:45,180 --> 02:19:53,140
even in their neighborhood. And then that would go a long way towards my looking more seriously

1590
02:19:53,140 --> 02:19:58,040
about it, but I have seen I have seen nothing that has convinced me of that

1591
02:19:58,040 --> 02:20:06,920
just yet and you know it so if people believe that and feel that way about it

1592
02:20:06,920 --> 02:20:11,000
even understanding the strength of the signals which I realize the federal

1593
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:16,000
government says we're not supposed to look at and consider if they're willing

1594
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:24,640
to take the federal government's word for it. It's fine and not be bothered by it if it's their house

1595
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:36,560
that it's 100 feet from. If you could just be so kind as to direct Verizon, we would be glad to

1596
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:41,820
talk to them and work through some stuff with them, but we don't want to do it in the absence

1597
02:20:41,820 --> 02:20:44,100
of your wireless board either.

1598
02:20:45,400 --> 02:20:49,420
And the 911 stuff, you know, I use that as a general term.

1599
02:20:50,360 --> 02:20:54,780
I would be glad to work with anybody from that group, even if it's the county.

1600
02:20:55,460 --> 02:21:01,020
Yeah. That's fine to understand that those meetings are open meetings.

1601
02:21:01,900 --> 02:21:07,240
I'm not quite, I did notice you said you thought the meetings should be closed meetings.

1602
02:21:07,240 --> 02:21:14,220
Well, I think we just need to get the ground-pounding work out of the way so that we can, you know,

1603
02:21:14,460 --> 02:21:19,460
go through designs and stuff and then come forward with the results as a public meeting.

1604
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:23,740
Yeah, but you can do it as a public meeting like this when you do it on Zoom,

1605
02:21:23,800 --> 02:21:26,220
so people can watch, but they can't complete it.

1606
02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:30,360
They can see what's done, so it's done in the light of day.

1607
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:36,380
You can mute the microphones and still meet the open meetings law.

1608
02:21:36,380 --> 02:21:36,860
Yeah, yeah.

1609
02:21:37,140 --> 02:21:39,840
Diane, did you want to say something?

1610
02:21:41,500 --> 02:21:42,960
Oh, you have to be unmuted.

1611
02:21:44,100 --> 02:21:46,180
Tim, can you unmute Diane?

1612
02:21:56,410 --> 02:21:58,770
I'm not used to running meetings quite this large.

1613
02:21:59,730 --> 02:22:00,990
Does that work?

1614
02:22:01,390 --> 02:22:01,490
Yeah.

1615
02:22:02,110 --> 02:22:13,750
Okay. And this is going back really, and sort of echoing what Tom was saying, but I think it's important that we've been asking Verizon from the beginning for

1616
02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:19,950
of what they would like to do to aid in our planning.

1617
02:22:20,190 --> 02:22:21,750
And we are working really hard

1618
02:22:22,810 --> 02:22:24,910
as a town on the wireless committee.

1619
02:22:25,250 --> 02:22:30,040
It's amazing why has told us repeatedly

1620
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:34,200
they are not bound to give us a long plan

1621
02:22:34,690 --> 02:22:35,680
with the application.

1622
02:22:36,260 --> 02:22:42,400
So when you add that to the issue of trying to get

1623
02:22:42,400 --> 02:22:45,860
20 people who agree to have this next to their house,

1624
02:22:45,860 --> 02:22:57,120
it's very difficult. But I don't know if I can succeed in convincing Verizon to talk to you,

1625
02:22:57,420 --> 02:23:03,100
but I think Eric, is there any reason why we can't ask? We can reach out to them and ask.

1626
02:23:05,160 --> 02:23:10,660
As you said, I don't think they can be forced to do it. They have to agree.

1627
02:23:10,660 --> 02:23:25,120
Yeah. What is what is the term I was I was looking for when it's what the court cases talk about the best intrusive alternative alternative I know well that's what we keep looking for.

1628
02:23:25,980 --> 02:23:40,640
The other one was feasible technology technology that we can ask that we can ask them to consider alternative technologies originally they told us we couldn't ask them to consider that we're convinced that we can ask them to consider alternative technology.

1629
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:47,940
as long as it's feasible. So I think if you could, that this was something feasible.

1630
02:23:49,640 --> 02:23:58,340
Did you think that you're in a position now where you're going to be forced to come March

1631
02:23:58,340 --> 02:24:05,700
1st or whenever the date is that you're going to have to approve the 68th Stone Hill or

1632
02:24:05,700 --> 02:24:07,400
91 or both?

1633
02:24:07,400 --> 02:24:11,740
If we're going to have to make a decision by then, I don't know what decision we're going to make.

1634
02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:15,500
There have been no decisions made at this point.

1635
02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:24,620
No, I get that, but you're up against the clock and it looks like you haven't got at Bedford Park as an alternative either.

1636
02:24:25,320 --> 02:24:31,940
So you're almost into, you know, either either approving or disapproving one or both of those sites.

1637
02:24:32,320 --> 02:24:34,460
I wouldn't say I would not say that at all.

1638
02:24:39,860 --> 02:24:42,860
And I do want to be clear about that.

1639
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:44,900
I know people are going to be very unhappy to hear that.

1640
02:24:45,480 --> 02:24:50,080
Will we be in a position to say something definitive?

1641
02:24:50,360 --> 02:24:50,820
I don't know.

1642
02:24:54,430 --> 02:24:56,010
And, Ginger, can I just say one thing?

1643
02:24:56,990 --> 02:24:58,990
And this goes back to Brett, something that you said earlier.

1644
02:24:59,430 --> 02:25:03,990
I want the public to know we did not default to a monopole in Indie Hill Park.

1645
02:25:04,410 --> 02:25:09,430
We analyzed and derived data in conjunction with our consultants.

1646
02:25:09,430 --> 02:25:12,250
within the wireless facility working group.

1647
02:25:12,930 --> 02:25:14,970
And the data and the information said

1648
02:25:14,970 --> 02:25:16,970
certain things to us in that group.

1649
02:25:17,470 --> 02:25:19,330
And that's where a lot of this comes from.

1650
02:25:19,870 --> 02:25:21,450
So again, I want to state on the record,

1651
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:26,230
we did not default to a monopole in Indian Hill Park.

1652
02:25:26,610 --> 02:25:28,130
And I think that's very, very important.

1653
02:25:29,310 --> 02:25:30,870
Joe, did you want to say something?

1654
02:25:31,210 --> 02:25:31,650
I did, Brian.

1655
02:25:31,890 --> 02:25:33,070
I got cut off before

1656
02:25:33,070 --> 02:25:35,670
and I know you had suggested Guard Hill.

1657
02:25:37,270 --> 02:25:38,950
Our committee has looked at that,

1658
02:25:38,950 --> 02:25:44,430
But there's a restrictive deed on that property that does not permit cell communication

1659
02:25:45,110 --> 02:25:49,650
So the town in the as there's a restrictive deed from the owner of that property

1660
02:25:51,010 --> 02:25:57,910
So I just want to clarify that with you well as I understand the restrictive deed was for emergency

1661
02:25:58,650 --> 02:26:01,710
purposes not restricting cellular per se

1662
02:26:02,450 --> 02:26:05,890
expressly prohibits private providers from being on there and

1663
02:26:08,040 --> 02:26:17,600
And it's a Westchester County is involved with that as well and there are other reasons I can explain why that site is not available for a private provider.

1664
02:26:18,120 --> 02:26:24,220
Okay, would it be okay to ask that you send a copy of the deed or your document?

1665
02:26:24,220 --> 02:26:32,840
I don't see that that would hurt. I don't think it's going to be particularly popular for

1666
02:26:35,560 --> 02:26:42,560
in town to suggest guard hill but if you would like to look at the deed you're welcome to.

1667
02:26:43,380 --> 02:26:47,360
I don't see it. Am I speaking out of turn, Eric?

1668
02:26:47,660 --> 02:26:52,760
I mean, look, there are multiple emergency services providers up there.

1669
02:26:52,860 --> 02:26:55,480
It's a Westchester County tower that is going up on there.

1670
02:26:55,940 --> 02:27:00,820
They control the tower and the town doesn't have a lot of say about what goes on that tower to be honest with you.

1671
02:27:01,000 --> 02:27:03,120
As far as providing that if you know.

1672
02:27:03,880 --> 02:27:11,700
So there are there are numerous issues that are involved with the guard hill site that really make it unavailable for a private provider and.

1673
02:27:11,700 --> 02:27:20,260
I understand that, you know, it works with the plan that's been presented tonight, but it is not an option, you know, for various reasons.

1674
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:32,980
Yeah, that's not a sword we're following on. It's simply one of those proposals that could be feasible should all the other pieces align.

1675
02:27:35,320 --> 02:27:41,260
Yeah, I've thought about that once or twice too, usually figured out that it's not really there.

1676
02:27:42,320 --> 02:27:45,060
I think there are a lot of other alternatives.

1677
02:27:45,420 --> 02:27:51,180
So if we can get in touch with Verizon, I understand there's at least a Verizon contractor on the Zoom meeting,

1678
02:27:51,640 --> 02:27:55,480
and she should be able to put us in contact with the RF engineers at Verizon.

1679
02:27:56,240 --> 02:27:59,380
We may be able to make some headway on these things that you've been talking about.

1680
02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:05,560
Maybe you can really convince Verizon that this will be something that can be done quickly and efficiently.

1681
02:28:06,180 --> 02:28:10,880
what you say is true, it ought to be in their interest to do it as well.

1682
02:28:11,940 --> 02:28:19,380
So yeah, and a note on that front, I believe the town actually does have the ability to specify certain parameters around this.

1683
02:28:19,860 --> 02:28:29,740
So if the town were to say we require this type of a site or this type of an elevation, there may be a little bit more wiggle room than was being used.

1684
02:28:30,320 --> 02:28:32,820
I know that you've looked at a lot of different pieces of this.

1685
02:28:32,820 --> 02:28:38,840
So the next step for us would be to definitely sync up with Verizon and have a conversation.

1686
02:28:39,440 --> 02:28:43,660
And then we can come back and have further conversations on this.

1687
02:28:44,220 --> 02:29:01,960
But I think, you know, one of the reasons I mentioned doing this in a public forum is that if it just becomes another passing it around to another neighborhood kind of thing, it's going to be a problem.

1688
02:29:01,960 --> 02:29:14,360
So you have to, you have to figure on having people agree that this is something they are comfortable with in the areas that you end up suggesting.

1689
02:29:17,660 --> 02:29:22,040
You're going to have to find multiple sites instead of one.

1690
02:29:22,460 --> 02:29:23,180
I'm sorry, Diane.

1691
02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:25,540
I'm reiterating what you were saying.

1692
02:29:25,720 --> 02:29:31,040
20 million users as opposed to one is a high bar to get people to agree to.

1693
02:29:31,640 --> 02:29:32,700
And Diane, that's exactly what I was saying.

1694
02:29:32,700 --> 02:29:33,900
Let's be absolutely clear.

1695
02:29:34,620 --> 02:29:38,000
It's never been discussed as a 24 to one ratio.

1696
02:29:38,680 --> 02:29:39,320
Drop it.

1697
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:40,480
Yeah.

1698
02:29:40,480 --> 02:29:49,440
There are multiple tower sites, so the one tower is not a non-starter because Verizon and the other wireless carriers will need more than one location.

1699
02:29:51,060 --> 02:29:59,020
Actually, we're not sure about that. If you're talking about some small cell things in Bedford Village, yes.

1700
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:06,900
We've been told that with the Indian Hill one they will not need another macro tower.

1701
02:30:07,220 --> 02:30:10,300
Has that come from Verizon directly or did that come from an alternate source?

1702
02:30:11,140 --> 02:30:13,400
That's come from our consultants.

1703
02:30:13,980 --> 02:30:20,440
Okay. Verizon would need to be very clear and specify that and Verizon can't and wouldn't say they would never need another site.

1704
02:30:20,560 --> 02:30:22,420
We have not seen Verizon commit to that any time.

1705
02:30:22,420 --> 02:30:28,380
Well, they – I mean, they're not going to say it about any system, but if – the

1706
02:30:28,380 --> 02:30:35,440
point is, if we have a good argument to make for it, then they still have to prove that

1707
02:30:35,440 --> 02:30:41,020
they have a gap that they cannot fill any other way than putting in a tower.

1708
02:30:41,400 --> 02:30:47,160
It looks to us from what we've seen that with Indian Hill we will produce a situation

1709
02:30:47,160 --> 02:30:48,340
in which that's the case.

1710
02:30:48,760 --> 02:30:50,840
I'm not sure that's entirely accurate, unfortunately.

1711
02:30:50,840 --> 02:30:57,460
And I respectfully disagree that our understanding of the federal guidelines say that you are

1712
02:30:57,460 --> 02:31:02,300
not allowed to require them to prove a gap because a gap is not the only determining factor.

1713
02:31:02,680 --> 02:31:04,800
There is capacity, there's coverage issues.

1714
02:31:05,800 --> 02:31:11,060
So we're really quite aware of that and one of the reasons why we're talking about

1715
02:31:11,060 --> 02:31:17,000
these small cells for the town centers, which is where the capacity issues are

1716
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:26,380
likely to be to be greatest. So, you know, I quickly somewhere and I may have misunderstood

1717
02:31:26,380 --> 02:31:32,000
what was being said in the chat with somebody talked about what happens when satellite cell

1718
02:31:32,000 --> 02:31:40,680
service takes over. We better make sure we put a disassembling approval in every single

1719
02:31:40,680 --> 02:31:50,820
permit that we allow, because I would much rather see a satellite system doing it. I don't think that

1720
02:31:50,820 --> 02:31:58,860
we can suggest to Ryzen that they switch to satellites tomorrow in order to accommodate our

1721
02:31:59,720 --> 02:32:06,100
needs. Frankly, I think that the tower system was a dumb decision to make, which probably

1722
02:32:06,100 --> 02:32:13,320
which shows how little I know, but if somebody wants to suggest building a satellite cell

1723
02:32:13,320 --> 02:32:18,860
system in time to get us out of this, I'm more than welcome to the idea.

1724
02:32:19,300 --> 02:32:23,380
And we can all agree that you should put a decommissioning provision in the permits

1725
02:32:23,380 --> 02:32:25,980
that's something that's absolutely necessary.

1726
02:32:26,540 --> 02:32:26,700
Yeah.

1727
02:32:27,580 --> 02:32:30,400
And it's something that we have.

1728
02:32:30,400 --> 02:32:37,280
Yeah, Iridium already has a satellite system up and operating, and there is another one

1729
02:32:37,280 --> 02:32:44,200
with low-Earth orbiting satellites that is in military use right now, but I doubt if

1730
02:32:44,200 --> 02:32:49,180
you're going to see that as a replacement for the terrestrial-based systems in any

1731
02:32:49,180 --> 02:32:49,740
time soon.

1732
02:32:50,220 --> 02:32:51,400
I thoroughly agree.

1733
02:32:51,560 --> 02:32:56,580
I was just mentioning that it was mentioned in the chat as something of an alternative.

1734
02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:09,160
What we do see a great deal of is there's over about 800,000 sites that are going to be built over the next five years.

1735
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:18,480
And almost all of those are going to be in the realm of what we've been suggesting, which is anywhere from 30 to 60 feet in height,

1736
02:33:18,480 --> 02:33:24,520
and put into the neighborhoods in order to get what we call nomadic service.

1737
02:33:24,800 --> 02:33:30,200
Nomadic service is the use of the phones in your homes, your residents, in your businesses,

1738
02:33:30,920 --> 02:33:35,360
in the roaming services, which are your highway and your streets and so on.

1739
02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:37,920
That's generally called roaming.

1740
02:33:38,600 --> 02:33:44,780
Almost all of the usage and requirements that wireless carriers are seeing is nomadic services.

1741
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:50,260
guy, the 300-pound guy on his couch, likes his nomadic service.

1742
02:33:50,960 --> 02:33:57,540
No, I mean, we've often said to people who tell us that they don't want, you know,

1743
02:33:57,540 --> 02:34:01,320
they don't need the cell service, they're just fine at home.

1744
02:34:02,140 --> 02:34:05,020
If we ask them, are you willing to throw out your cell phone?

1745
02:34:05,860 --> 02:34:06,760
The answer is no.

1746
02:34:07,700 --> 02:34:09,900
And that's something else people have to realize.

1747
02:34:09,900 --> 02:34:13,980
But I have nothing inherent that there's a certain.

1748
02:34:16,700 --> 02:34:20,640
And home has you can do Wi-Fi cell calling so.

1749
02:34:22,320 --> 02:34:22,880
Absolutely.

1750
02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:27,800
You know, you don't need the cell powers for the home.

1751
02:34:28,420 --> 02:34:34,640
And the reason they have Wi-Fi calling is because the cell service is so bad in most homes nowadays.

1752
02:34:34,920 --> 02:34:36,000
It is fine.

1753
02:34:36,320 --> 02:34:39,100
It is not a necessity to supplement that.

1754
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:50,520
I personally, I can't wait until the time when there is an alternative to cell phones.

1755
02:34:51,900 --> 02:34:59,660
And there is a part of me that has has argued that we're busy building 20th century technology

1756
02:34:59,660 --> 02:35:08,340
to serve a 21st century world, we're building our our electrical system on the basis of

1757
02:35:08,340 --> 02:35:12,760
19th century technology because all those telephone poles that we've actually been trying to get

1758
02:35:12,760 --> 02:35:19,180
rid of, by the way, by having them buried. Now, apparently, that's going by the wayside.

1759
02:35:19,400 --> 02:35:25,060
So we're putting all of our electrical systems on 19th century infrastructure. And that's

1760
02:35:25,060 --> 02:35:31,040
not working out real well for us these days, since storms are basically taking those

1761
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:35,360
poles down on a regular basis, because they're so weighted down with other kind

1762
02:35:35,360 --> 02:35:39,520
of technology. So what I do like about your proposal is at least you're not,

1763
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:45,440
we're talking about putting up new polls, not dangling it from the wooden polls that can.

1764
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:52,500
Right. Indeed or out in our county, the Qualum County Public Utility District

1765
02:35:53,010 --> 02:35:59,520
has almost 100% changed out all of their polls from wood to fiberglass poles.

1766
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:09,660
Just for that simple reason that wood poles age worse and clearly look worse and are less

1767
02:36:11,300 --> 02:36:12,420
pliable, if you will.

1768
02:36:12,840 --> 02:36:13,420
They break.

1769
02:36:13,880 --> 02:36:15,580
Yeah, they break.

1770
02:36:15,820 --> 02:36:16,480
They have problems.

1771
02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:19,660
So we've changed over to the fiberglass poles.

1772
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:21,180
They look just like wood poles.

1773
02:36:21,300 --> 02:36:22,120
They have a hollow core.

1774
02:36:22,740 --> 02:36:24,700
We use them and it works.

1775
02:36:26,400 --> 02:36:27,640
But I agree with you.

1776
02:36:27,640 --> 02:36:29,680
It's the whole poll is a problem.

1777
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:32,360
What we did find on one of the questions

1778
02:36:32,360 --> 02:36:37,800
that I think was asked was the fiber lines and stuff.

1779
02:36:38,200 --> 02:36:41,720
And we were successful at finding more than an abundance

1780
02:36:41,720 --> 02:36:44,980
of fiber along the routes and stuff

1781
02:36:44,980 --> 02:36:46,160
that we're looking at.

1782
02:36:46,970 --> 02:36:51,340
So we didn't find a lacking of connectivity

1783
02:36:51,340 --> 02:36:54,000
to our proposed plans.

1784
02:36:55,540 --> 02:37:02,900
Okay. Is there anything else that anyone has to say or add to this from my questions?

1785
02:37:06,360 --> 02:37:07,160
I don't think so.

1786
02:37:08,260 --> 02:37:21,300
Anything. So what you would like us to do is at least talk to Verizon. I can't guarantee anything because Verizon doesn't listen to us about a whole lot.

1787
02:37:21,300 --> 02:37:28,280
But we can approach approach them and ask them to talk to you.

1788
02:37:30,360 --> 02:37:37,620
I, Joe, are you comfortable having the gunners and people talk to the wireless committee.

1789
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:41,000
As long as it's in an open session.

1790
02:37:42,860 --> 02:37:43,620
It's okay.

1791
02:37:44,460 --> 02:37:44,740
Good.

1792
02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:50,720
So if you want to set that up, I couldn't unmute myself and locked out here.

1793
02:37:50,720 --> 02:37:55,000
Yeah, we'd absolutely love to have an open discussion and open dialogue.

1794
02:37:56,000 --> 02:38:08,160
But again, I think it's very important that it that the public be able to not necessarily participate in the discussion because that will make it very difficult to get anything done I do understand that but yes, Joe.

1795
02:38:10,380 --> 02:38:13,440
He's moving again. Yeah, you've got to unmute him again.

1796
02:38:13,860 --> 02:38:15,440
Doing well with the sign language though.

1797
02:38:17,760 --> 02:38:19,440
Kim's working on it. He's still muted.

1798
02:38:20,740 --> 02:38:33,220
Thank you. Sorry, I keep getting muted. Absolutely. You know, you know, like I said to, you know, our committee's open minded. There's a lot of things that, you know, I wasn't going to go into technical stuff tonight about the voter receivers and comparing and our infrastructure.

1799
02:38:33,220 --> 02:38:42,960
So I think that, you know, we definitely welcome a conversation with you to, you know, for you to understand our system and kind of talk to you about the ins and outs and look at the comparisons of FirstNet.

1800
02:38:43,200 --> 02:38:55,740
And, you know, like I said, we already have sites we've had federal engineering working with us because again we have, you know, the goal of improving the police department site and making sure that they have, you know, in building coverage.

1801
02:38:55,740 --> 02:39:00,780
There's parts of the town right now that our police officers cannot communicate on their

1802
02:39:00,780 --> 02:39:03,080
two-way radio back to headquarters to request backup.

1803
02:39:03,380 --> 02:39:04,220
That's a problem.

1804
02:39:05,080 --> 02:39:08,080
So these are the things that we're trying to fill these gaps.

1805
02:39:08,560 --> 02:39:14,260
And that's, again, that police system is separate and apart from the system for the

1806
02:39:14,260 --> 02:39:17,960
first responders, FIRE, EMS, which is being built by the county.

1807
02:39:18,240 --> 02:39:21,560
So I think definitely, you know, an open dialogue, open discussion.

1808
02:39:21,720 --> 02:39:25,480
We welcome it, you know, again, because I think you'll understand a lot of the

1809
02:39:25,480 --> 02:39:29,980
problems that may be unique to this area with some of the systems that you've used

1810
02:39:29,980 --> 02:39:32,260
in other parts of the country that may not work here.

1811
02:39:32,680 --> 02:39:37,360
But again, our ultimate goal is protecting our first responders and making sure they

1812
02:39:37,360 --> 02:39:43,580
can make that call to get additional resources, to get back up, and that's a big thing.

1813
02:39:43,700 --> 02:39:44,400
That's a big priority.

1814
02:39:44,700 --> 02:39:48,920
And this is separate apart from a resident picking up the phone and dialing 911.

1815
02:39:50,060 --> 02:39:50,540
Absolutely.

1816
02:39:51,080 --> 02:39:55,420
Brian and Fred, if I may chime in when we do talk, and this is Kyle Carlton

1817
02:39:55,420 --> 02:39:57,120
and I'm one of the commissioners over in Bedford Village.

1818
02:39:57,820 --> 02:39:59,880
I would like to talk in detail with you

1819
02:39:59,880 --> 02:40:02,340
about your discussions of hardening the systems

1820
02:40:02,340 --> 02:40:03,440
and things of that nature,

1821
02:40:03,440 --> 02:40:06,500
because I know given up here in Bedford

1822
02:40:06,500 --> 02:40:09,560
where we deal with power poles being snapped all the time

1823
02:40:09,560 --> 02:40:11,220
from either cars driving into them

1824
02:40:11,220 --> 02:40:15,060
or more frequent and stronger storms uprooting them,

1825
02:40:16,120 --> 02:40:17,920
eight hours is not gonna be sufficient

1826
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:20,000
to sustain the type of communications

1827
02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:21,860
that we have come to rely upon.

1828
02:40:22,300 --> 02:40:23,700
So when we have that discussion,

1829
02:40:23,700 --> 02:40:26,880
I really would look forward to talking to you about hardening those systems because,

1830
02:40:26,980 --> 02:40:31,960
as Joe just said, not only a resident where I represent the taxpayers and I'm a resident,

1831
02:40:32,180 --> 02:40:36,500
so I have my personal vested interest, I'm also sore to protect my first responders,

1832
02:40:36,500 --> 02:40:39,400
so I want to ensure that they have everything they need as well.

1833
02:40:40,760 --> 02:40:46,060
Absolutely, Kyle. And I'm a two-way guy first and foremost because I love this stuff.

1834
02:40:46,060 --> 02:40:56,000
But I can tell you that I've got a broad range of experience in keeping sites on the air.

1835
02:40:57,300 --> 02:41:07,720
All of my years with T-Mobile and AT&T, I would say that in my portfolio, I easily had 50,000 generators across my networks.

1836
02:41:08,180 --> 02:41:15,060
And that's not bragging. That just is fact. That's just a lot of generators.

1837
02:41:15,060 --> 02:41:26,040
And as we went through Katrina and the other places, I can tell you that easily 20% of the generators would fail on a regular basis, even though they're maintained.

1838
02:41:26,480 --> 02:41:32,800
So they don't always start, and you have to go through that kind of problem for a while.

1839
02:41:33,320 --> 02:41:40,280
I'm an absolute believer that you need to harden, and I just, again, a 911 facility, you need to harden it.

1840
02:41:40,280 --> 02:41:46,640
And there's a metrics to use that's also in the fire code metrics on hardening.

1841
02:41:47,040 --> 02:41:49,580
But what do you need to harden?

1842
02:41:50,160 --> 02:41:54,300
And what don't you need to harden is more important.

1843
02:41:54,760 --> 02:41:55,820
I can speak to that.

1844
02:41:55,920 --> 02:41:57,320
I'd be glad to help you guys out.

1845
02:41:58,780 --> 02:42:04,180
My first priority has got to be with this group that we're working with

1846
02:42:04,180 --> 02:42:09,260
and keeping them tempered to a point where we're talking about the solutions

1847
02:42:09,260 --> 02:42:12,820
that the wireless community can bring to solve this problem.

1848
02:42:13,500 --> 02:42:15,400
And that's what I do best.

1849
02:42:16,140 --> 02:42:18,640
Yeah. Well, I appreciate your help with it.

1850
02:42:19,020 --> 02:42:23,820
I just want to make you understand it a bit from our perspective as well,

1851
02:42:23,960 --> 02:42:28,920
and the realities of what we have been dealing with since for the last couple

1852
02:42:28,920 --> 02:42:40,720
years that we are seriously involved in trying to find a workable alternative. In fact, Joe,

1853
02:42:41,860 --> 02:42:49,340
forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but I think the notion of a tower in Indian Hill Park really

1854
02:42:49,340 --> 02:42:54,020
started with the fact that that's not that you had originally felt it was an ideal location

1855
02:42:54,020 --> 02:42:58,200
for the radio tower for the emergency?

1856
02:42:58,340 --> 02:42:59,900
Yes, there's already an existing tower there,

1857
02:43:00,020 --> 02:43:01,880
and this federal engineering did some mapping,

1858
02:43:01,980 --> 02:43:04,140
obviously as a part of our discussions,

1859
02:43:04,160 --> 02:43:07,220
and that's where this came from, was obviously,

1860
02:43:07,960 --> 02:43:11,740
our plan, like I said to you before, was running parallel.

1861
02:43:12,160 --> 02:43:15,260
Cellular was running one track, emergency communications,

1862
02:43:15,400 --> 02:43:18,220
two-way was running on a separate track,

1863
02:43:18,500 --> 02:43:22,840
but obviously it would make sense to co-locate the cell

1864
02:43:22,840 --> 02:43:25,820
and radio when applicable and when possible to do that.

1865
02:43:26,400 --> 02:43:28,180
So federal engineering did mapping for us

1866
02:43:28,180 --> 02:43:29,780
of various sites throughout the town.

1867
02:43:30,260 --> 02:43:33,080
Indian Hill already has a voter receiver up there.

1868
02:43:33,200 --> 02:43:35,220
There's a voter receiver obviously that you had in,

1869
02:43:35,320 --> 02:43:36,060
you know, at Katona,

1870
02:43:36,420 --> 02:43:38,020
there's a voter receiver in Mount Kisco

1871
02:43:38,020 --> 02:43:40,940
and there is the main transmitter that is on Guard Hill.

1872
02:43:41,100 --> 02:43:43,120
And that's the, for the police department system.

1873
02:43:43,240 --> 02:43:45,580
We're not talking about the fire control,

1874
02:43:46,180 --> 02:43:47,820
sorry, Worcester County emergency system.

1875
02:43:47,980 --> 02:43:50,120
So this is kind of how this discussion came up

1876
02:43:50,660 --> 02:44:01,500
And there was, you know, questions about it and the planning board had asked what, you know, what sites the emergency, you know, wireless is looking at for emergency radio communication.

1877
02:44:02,140 --> 02:44:04,820
And that's that's basically where the discussions came along.

1878
02:44:05,300 --> 02:44:12,400
Yeah, and Joseph, we even looked outside of the township borders for other facilities that were helpful.

1879
02:44:12,400 --> 02:44:27,280
So, you know, that are already built and we did find, we did find three facilities, at least three facilities that would add in and fix some of the coverage polygons that we saw in the 450.

1880
02:44:27,280 --> 02:44:32,700
Yeah, we have as well. So obviously the PDS and VHF system, we've looked at other sites

1881
02:44:32,700 --> 02:44:37,440
because we can obviously co-locate and work with that. We have agreements with other towns

1882
02:44:37,440 --> 02:44:42,020
to work together. Westchester County has other towers that are getting put up. So we obviously

1883
02:44:42,020 --> 02:44:48,880
looked outside of the town because the size of our town and their quarters, we boarded

1884
02:44:48,880 --> 02:44:53,140
the town of Lewisboro, the town of Pound Ridge, the village of Mount Kisco. So

1885
02:44:53,140 --> 02:44:57,620
So we did look at that stuff, you know, we're not done, you know, we're, you know, far from

1886
02:44:57,620 --> 02:44:59,280
done, but this was initial again.

1887
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,980
We were trying to meet the goal of, you know, solidifying and fixing the police department's network,

1888
02:45:06,140 --> 02:45:11,220
while also making sure we had a townwide, you know, our goals have a townwide 400 frequency

1889
02:45:11,880 --> 02:45:17,240
for the whole town of Bedford only separate and apart from Westchester County's radio system. So

1890
02:45:17,240 --> 02:45:24,600
that way every single town agency, police, fire, DPW, EMS could all be on one channel during a storm

1891
02:45:24,600 --> 02:45:26,540
or other town town-wide event.

1892
02:45:30,410 --> 02:45:36,430
Okay I think that we can probably bring you to

1893
02:45:36,430 --> 02:45:44,400
a close at the moment with the understanding that we will Eric I guess

1894
02:45:44,400 --> 02:45:48,440
we have we have to talk about how to approach Verizon about this about at least

1895
02:45:48,440 --> 02:45:56,740
asking them to to talk to you I will say I don't know if they will but I

1896
02:45:56,740 --> 02:45:57,920
I hope they do,

1897
02:46:00,060 --> 02:46:05,540
to see if there's something from their point of view that they could accept

1898
02:46:05,540 --> 02:46:06,340
looking into.

1899
02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:16,120
But I think one thing that they probably would look for is some indication of an acceptance

1900
02:46:16,120 --> 02:46:20,760
of this approach by someone who's impacted by it.

1901
02:46:20,760 --> 02:46:27,440
In other words, a petition with hundreds of signatures on it, again, against something

1902
02:46:27,440 --> 02:46:34,320
is powerful, but without a petition saying that they're for something else, I don't

1903
02:46:34,320 --> 02:46:34,620
know.

1904
02:46:37,290 --> 02:46:48,510
We need to find sites that are feasible, so if anybody out there has a suggestion

1905
02:46:48,510 --> 02:46:55,550
of a site that is feasible but can even be a starting place for one of these smaller ones.

1906
02:46:58,710 --> 02:47:05,750
Watch what I say, because I know that Bedford Village are probably doable, the ones we're talking

1907
02:47:05,750 --> 02:47:11,390
about, but the ones in Bedford Village aren't the ones that are the problem for this. The

1908
02:47:11,390 --> 02:47:17,550
Playhouse site, I don't believe anybody's talked to the Playhouse people, but I think that,

1909
02:47:17,550 --> 02:47:21,070
But from my perspective, that's an excellent idea.

1910
02:47:21,790 --> 02:47:27,930
I think something smaller and more hidden behind the water

1911
02:47:27,930 --> 02:47:29,690
tower is certainly something looking at.

1912
02:47:29,830 --> 02:47:33,430
I just don't think it belongs where

1913
02:47:33,890 --> 02:47:38,230
it will go over Sunnyfield Farm.

1914
02:47:38,390 --> 02:47:40,430
But that's something we could test out with a balloon

1915
02:47:40,430 --> 02:47:44,150
test or something to see what the impact would be.

1916
02:47:46,450 --> 02:47:54,770
But the problematic sites are the ones out in the rural area where the smaller

1917
02:47:59,570 --> 02:48:01,310
types

1918
02:48:01,310 --> 02:48:08,890
of antennas may not fit in quite as well because it's not an urban enough area.

1919
02:48:10,660 --> 02:48:16,050
But if we can find something like that, then we should look for it, but we have a time

1920
02:48:16,050 --> 02:48:18,130
constraint and people have to understand that.

1921
02:48:18,130 --> 02:48:25,940
And to clarify, the time constraint is deciding whether the town would accept one of the other

1922
02:48:26,520 --> 02:48:28,420
two current proposed towers, correct?

1923
02:48:29,020 --> 02:48:29,200
Yes.

1924
02:48:29,720 --> 02:48:34,080
Okay, so it's kind of an up-and-down situation, a yes-or-no situation that has to be made

1925
02:48:34,080 --> 02:48:34,800
come March.

1926
02:48:35,600 --> 02:48:37,060
To make a decision, correct?

1927
02:48:37,580 --> 02:48:37,860
Correct.

1928
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:38,720
Make a decision.

1929
02:48:39,060 --> 02:48:47,480
I mean, we are free to make whatever decision we feel that we can defend in court, but

1930
02:48:47,480 --> 02:48:48,180
But

1931
02:48:50,260 --> 02:48:51,400
we have to make a decision.

1932
02:48:55,850 --> 02:49:01,570
On that note, I think if no one has any objection, we'll end this part of the meeting.

1933
02:49:02,530 --> 02:49:14,130
The one other thing I did want to address, and the only reason that I have kept it close

1934
02:49:14,130 --> 02:49:19,070
to public input is that I don't think the people will object to what I'm going to

1935
02:49:19,070 --> 02:49:19,870
say about it.

1936
02:49:19,870 --> 02:49:29,730
And we did get a letter from the Indian Hill group talking – actually, I believe it was

1937
02:49:29,730 --> 02:49:35,850
from – the letter was from the attorney for Indian – for the friends of Indian

1938
02:49:35,850 --> 02:49:40,670
Hill Park, but I believe the report was actually from the Gunnison Corporation about

1939
02:49:41,390 --> 02:49:42,690
the balloon test we did.

1940
02:49:43,310 --> 02:49:47,270
I'm going to say up front, it wasn't everything we hoped it would be.

1941
02:49:47,270 --> 02:49:55,290
And so we believe we do – if we do go forward with the – with exploring the possibility

1942
02:49:55,290 --> 02:49:58,170
of Indian Hill, we will need to do another balloon test.

1943
02:50:02,270 --> 02:50:04,430
So that's the starting point.

1944
02:50:05,250 --> 02:50:10,430
There are a couple of things about the article that I'd like – the report that I'd

1945
02:50:10,430 --> 02:50:13,710
like to clarify.

1946
02:50:13,710 --> 02:50:16,350
so let me get my notes here.

1947
02:50:19,250 --> 02:50:25,190
The first point you made was the photos provided by IHPC show

1948
02:50:25,190 --> 02:50:29,130
the balloons tethered to be caught in the trees. That was one of the problems and one of the

1949
02:50:29,130 --> 02:50:38,190
reasons that I do think that we would be wise to, I think, really require to redo the test

1950
02:50:38,190 --> 02:50:39,230
it wasn't with you.

1951
02:50:44,500 --> 02:50:54,220
However, it is true that the engineer did add 10 feet to it to try to make up

1952
02:50:55,600 --> 02:51:03,740
for that. That was a difficult way of doing it. The comment was made in your letter that shortly

1953
02:51:03,740 --> 02:51:12,240
there after they took the 10 feet away. I was one of the people who was doing the photography

1954
02:51:12,240 --> 02:51:19,380
for the balloons and we, after another comment, we were in fact in touch via text with each other.

1955
02:51:20,140 --> 02:51:25,220
I was told when the 10 feet was added and I was told when it was taken off. I had actually

1956
02:51:25,220 --> 02:51:31,680
finished taking all of my photos by the time the 10 feet was taken off. It wasn't shortly,

1957
02:51:31,680 --> 02:51:34,760
But it was actually well over an hour later

1958
02:51:34,760 --> 02:51:38,040
that the 10 feet came off.

1959
02:51:39,520 --> 02:51:45,400
Nonetheless, I think it still is a less than precise way

1960
02:51:45,400 --> 02:51:47,640
of determining the proper height.

1961
02:51:49,220 --> 02:51:53,940
It was a serious attempt to give as honest a measure

1962
02:51:53,940 --> 02:51:54,800
as possible.

1963
02:51:55,720 --> 02:51:59,260
And I will say that what I heard,

1964
02:51:59,260 --> 02:52:04,560
you know, when we went around for this balloon test for myself and for the

1965
02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:08,920
member of the town boy that was with me doing the photography in the places I

1966
02:52:08,920 --> 02:52:14,960
did it, we were treated very cordially and I appreciated that. I was very

1967
02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:20,820
disturbed to hear the extent to which those who were doing the balloon test

1968
02:52:20,820 --> 02:52:26,800
were treated with anything but courtesy. The behavior of some of the

1969
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:33,720
neighbors was so poor that some of the neighbors actually thought out some of the town volunteers

1970
02:52:33,720 --> 02:52:38,380
who were doing this later and apologized for the behavior of their friends.

1971
02:52:40,360 --> 02:52:49,820
This is, everybody who's doing this is a volunteer for the town and I wish people would at least

1972
02:52:49,820 --> 02:52:55,570
recognize that. You don't have to, well, I'm going to leave it at that.

1973
02:52:55,570 --> 02:53:01,350
that. The next item is that you were not aware of any communication between parties controlling

1974
02:53:01,350 --> 02:53:08,350
the balloon test, photographing the balloons. We were in communication. I assume everybody

1975
02:53:08,350 --> 02:53:13,170
else got the messages. I got the message when the balloon was at full height. It was

1976
02:53:13,170 --> 02:53:21,250
texted to me and I was in communication by text for most of the day. I was told

1977
02:53:21,250 --> 02:53:27,150
when the tent feet came down, that's the only personal assurance I can give, but I don't believe

1978
02:53:27,150 --> 02:53:29,150
I was the only one who was told about it.

1979
02:53:32,160 --> 02:53:34,560
It says it appears the balloon tether was not accurately

1980
02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:40,560
pre-measured, but was measured incrementally by hand while releasing the balloons. Actually,

1981
02:53:41,020 --> 02:53:44,440
what I'm told, and I believe there's photographic evidence of this,

1982
02:53:46,140 --> 02:53:50,360
but what I was told is that it was pre-measured and that we have photographs of it laid out

1983
02:53:50,360 --> 02:54:00,640
in the parking lot we measured. It was measured when it was taken down. And if I'm right, Michael,

1984
02:54:01,500 --> 02:54:08,240
Michael Tierney, were you the one who actually measured it coming down with the tether?

1985
02:54:08,840 --> 02:54:09,300
I

1986
02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:21,160
was with Tom when we all measured it. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So it was measured coming down.

1987
02:54:24,180 --> 02:54:30,640
And then as the observer, before the supervisor and engineer, increased the length and then

1988
02:54:31,320 --> 02:54:36,980
shortly thereafter returned it, it didn't seem like a very short period of time to me.

1989
02:54:37,180 --> 02:54:43,680
I managed to visit most of the places that were on my list.

1990
02:54:45,420 --> 02:54:49,700
The next one, the size of the balloons used was significantly smaller than the specifications

1991
02:54:49,700 --> 02:54:56,740
announced by the town. This week, we really need to apologize for, there was a typo. There

1992
02:54:56,740 --> 02:55:04,480
was never any intention of doing it with a 15-foot balloon because we had been told, this

1993
02:55:04,480 --> 02:55:14,140
was the first time we did the balloon test on our own. We had been told that a 15-foot

1994
02:55:14,140 --> 02:55:19,700
balloon would not work for a balloon test. You seem to indicate that it would. Have you

1995
02:55:19,700 --> 02:55:25,300
ever used a 15-foot balloon for a balloon test? We were told the wind would take it,

1996
02:55:25,380 --> 02:55:31,640
but if it's possible, we had asked for that earlier, one had been told that the balloon

1997
02:55:31,640 --> 02:55:34,580
would simply float all over the sky at 15 feet.

1998
02:55:35,140 --> 02:55:39,860
Just to quickly answer that question, yes, it is possible. In fact, there are firms

1999
02:55:39,860 --> 02:55:45,740
and there's one nearby to your vicinity that could provide a professional test and they

2000
02:55:45,740 --> 02:55:50,940
have a balloon of that size that they would raise. They actually use a winch to get it

2001
02:55:50,940 --> 02:55:56,120
up and down so that it provides that visual representation. And then they follow it up

2002
02:55:56,120 --> 02:56:01,700
with a photo simulation of the proposed tower overlaid on that so you get a full representation

2003
02:56:01,700 --> 02:56:05,800
of how that would look. If you could give us the information about how to contact

2004
02:56:07,240 --> 02:56:08,040
Yeah, absolutely.

2005
02:56:09,240 --> 02:56:12,680
You know, it's not the first time we've been given bad information.

2006
02:56:12,940 --> 02:56:14,140
I'm not talking about your information.

2007
02:56:14,320 --> 02:56:16,800
I'm talking about the information that you can't use a 15-foot balloon.

2008
02:56:17,320 --> 02:56:17,680
Understood.

2009
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:20,760
But we had never intended to use a 15-foot balloon.

2010
02:56:21,320 --> 02:56:24,280
That was a typo on all the other material that went on.

2011
02:56:24,360 --> 02:56:25,620
It was always a 5-foot balloon.

2012
02:56:25,900 --> 02:56:28,220
Now, it didn't end up being a 5-foot balloon either,

2013
02:56:28,220 --> 02:56:34,020
and that's also another reason why I think we do need to redo it

2014
02:56:34,960 --> 02:56:42,220
Because of the difficulty of getting the material in and to some extent because of the distraction created by

2015
02:56:43,720 --> 02:56:49,320
Questions about whether they could enter the property properly and that kind of thing

2016
02:56:50,100 --> 02:56:55,300
They did not manage to they couldn't get enough helium into the balloons to

2017
02:56:57,680 --> 02:57:06,040
to fill it. And so they were undersized, I think probably about three feet. And frankly,

2018
02:57:06,200 --> 02:57:15,000
I don't think that was enough. We didn't think it was enough when Verizon did it for the first

2019
02:57:15,000 --> 02:57:21,480
tickery lane balloon test. But we've done multiple balloon tests at almost every one

2020
02:57:21,480 --> 02:57:25,820
of these sites, so I don't know why this one should be any different, and I think it's

2021
02:57:25,820 --> 02:57:27,800
incumbent on us to do another balloon test.

2022
02:57:30,140 --> 02:57:34,720
So I don't argue at all with the comments about it being less visible.

2023
02:57:36,480 --> 02:57:40,220
One of the reasons we didn't worry as much about that is because you were quite right,

2024
02:57:40,340 --> 02:57:43,460
the balloon test should be followed up with photosimulations of the tower.

2025
02:57:44,300 --> 02:57:48,180
And so what's really most important about it is that the balloon gives you the height

2026
02:57:48,180 --> 02:57:57,900
of the tower, which we all did see, but again, it makes more sense to do a fresh test that

2027
02:57:57,900 --> 02:58:01,840
everybody is actually considering.

2028
02:58:04,390 --> 02:58:06,590
I see somebody saying, why not send a correction?

2029
02:58:06,810 --> 02:58:11,490
We didn't catch the typo until we got this letter.

2030
02:58:14,630 --> 02:58:18,610
When we first saw the notion that

2031
02:58:18,610 --> 02:58:22,990
we had said that it was 15 feet somewhere. We all said, what do you mean? We never meant

2032
02:58:22,990 --> 02:58:27,790
15 feet. And then we looked back at the correspondence and saw that there was a type that we hadn't

2033
02:58:27,790 --> 02:58:35,230
caught. All I can do is apologize for that. I can't change it. Well, that's not all I

2034
02:58:35,230 --> 02:58:37,770
can do. I can also say that we're going to do another balloon test.

2035
02:58:39,930 --> 02:58:41,430
So that's,

2036
02:58:44,390 --> 02:58:45,190
I think

2037
02:58:51,330 --> 02:58:51,890
I

2038
02:58:54,420 --> 02:58:57,800
think that's about all that we can do at this point.

2039
02:59:02,220 --> 02:59:07,740
Oh, I guess the one other thing is that if you have any other suggestions,

2040
02:59:08,460 --> 02:59:14,080
if your consulting firm has other suggestions about the way to do the balloon test,

2041
02:59:14,780 --> 02:59:16,060
we would welcome them.

2042
02:59:16,880 --> 02:59:20,680
We don't know if they have to be reasonable.

2043
02:59:20,880 --> 02:59:27,400
We can't spend half the town's money on it, but within, in reason.

2044
02:59:28,200 --> 02:59:32,680
And the one other thing that people should be aware of is that the parks and recreation

2045
02:59:32,680 --> 02:59:41,480
is going to be clearing a footpath, just a footpath so that we can get into the park

2046
02:59:41,480 --> 02:59:47,600
without going on private property because there have been complaints about the town,

2047
02:59:48,580 --> 02:59:52,520
including during the balloon test, the town having to go on private property because

2048
02:59:52,520 --> 02:59:59,980
of the underbrush on our access. So there will be some trimming done as minimal as

2049
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,820
Not possible, but having a path put up through what has always been intended to be the access route to the park.

2050
03:00:08,840 --> 03:00:16,300
So you will see sometime in the next week or two that that will happen.

2051
03:00:16,980 --> 03:00:26,200
Now, we still should discuss the balloon test results that we have and we will do that at a later date.

2052
03:00:26,200 --> 03:00:31,260
We didn't want to do both of them together.

2053
03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:39,880
I understand that you have – in fact, I've seen the presentation that the neighbors have

2054
03:00:39,880 --> 03:00:42,880
put together, and I think it's legitimate for you to show that.

2055
03:00:43,360 --> 03:00:47,560
But we haven't finished putting ours together as well, and I think it makes sense to do that

2056
03:00:47,560 --> 03:00:49,620
all in one go-round.

2057
03:00:49,780 --> 03:00:53,680
So we will be doing that, but we'll be doing it when we're all fresh and not

2058
03:00:53,680 --> 03:00:54,900
at the end of the meeting.

2059
03:00:54,900 --> 03:00:59,780
That's fine. Brian did request that he could get unmuted again. He had a comment on the

2060
03:00:59,780 --> 03:01:00,240
balloon test.

2061
03:01:00,820 --> 03:01:03,920
Sure. Kim, you can do it.

2062
03:01:04,220 --> 03:01:06,680
Sorry, Kim. Not trying to drive carpal tunnel your way.

2063
03:01:15,040 --> 03:01:15,720
There we go.

2064
03:01:16,160 --> 03:01:26,040
Okay. Sorry. So balloon tests are very difficult at best. And getting a large balloon adds

2065
03:01:26,040 --> 03:01:36,880
adds the extra pull. I disagree with whoever said that they catch wind. Obviously there's more surface area for the wind,

2066
03:01:37,060 --> 03:01:47,580
but the pull on the balloon chain itself should be about 60 pounds or so, and then it can be fairly straight at that point.

2067
03:01:47,580 --> 03:01:55,900
And the critical element to me on a balloon test is the exact spacing between the upper

2068
03:01:55,900 --> 03:02:02,400
and the second balloon so that we can use calipers and actually use that measurement

2069
03:02:02,960 --> 03:02:06,360
as an exactness for all of the other dimensions.

2070
03:02:07,020 --> 03:02:12,260
And we use a picture of caliper in order to gauge that.

2071
03:02:12,260 --> 03:02:18,340
But without that, then you're just guessing at heights and other measurements.

2072
03:02:20,060 --> 03:02:24,780
Okay, well, that actually is an excellent suggestion.

2073
03:02:25,240 --> 03:02:32,240
If you could get us the information, the people you're recommending to work with,

2074
03:02:32,260 --> 03:02:38,860
and we'll look into that and probably consult with you before we do something,

2075
03:02:39,340 --> 03:02:41,060
do a second go-round with it.

2076
03:02:41,060 --> 03:02:43,460
If it's okay, we'll email that over to you.

2077
03:02:43,620 --> 03:02:44,620
That would be great.

2078
03:02:45,020 --> 03:02:45,320
Okay.

2079
03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:46,040
Okay.

2080
03:02:47,440 --> 03:02:53,740
So at this point, I think I'm going to bring this out of the evening to a close.

2081
03:02:54,500 --> 03:02:59,140
Jeff, is there anything else that we need to do tonight on this matter?

2082
03:02:59,380 --> 03:02:59,560
No.

2083
03:03:00,500 --> 03:03:01,020
Okay.

2084
03:03:01,840 --> 03:03:02,360
Okay.

2085
03:03:02,740 --> 03:03:04,600
I appreciate everyone's coming.

2086
03:03:07,290 --> 03:03:10,090
I know you didn't hear what you wanted to hear.

2087
03:03:12,250 --> 03:03:19,990
We are still going to look into these things. I guess maybe I was hoping too much for a magic

2088
03:03:19,990 --> 03:03:27,830
bullet. This isn't a magic bullet, but it still is something worth looking into. And I ask you

2089
03:03:27,830 --> 03:03:35,910
to take seriously the challenge I laid out, which is that part of finding solutions is

2090
03:03:35,910 --> 03:03:44,830
finding people who believe in the solutions enough to be part of those solutions themselves.

2091
03:03:46,770 --> 03:03:56,070
And I will be very interested to see if that becomes a reality.

2092
03:03:57,510 --> 03:04:03,910
I look forward to the challenge, but I want to remind everybody that it's not our job

2093
03:04:03,910 --> 03:04:11,950
define sites for Bedford. It's not our obligation to do that. Yeah, but we're willing to do

2094
03:04:11,950 --> 03:04:19,930
what we can. And I think you ought to let Susan Hoffman just give a couple of comments

2095
03:04:19,930 --> 03:04:25,710
on her presentation, not necessarily to give the presentation, but she put a lot of effort

2096
03:04:25,710 --> 03:04:27,730
into that, into that work.

2097
03:04:28,130 --> 03:04:32,030
And I know she did and she's going to be given an opportunity to do the entire

2098
03:04:32,030 --> 03:04:40,410
presentation, but we made it clear quite early on that we were not going to do the actual

2099
03:04:40,410 --> 03:04:49,070
discussion of the balloon test today. We were told that that was perfectly acceptable and

2100
03:04:49,070 --> 03:04:54,130
nobody told us anything about Mrs. Hoffman's presentation until I believe it was late

2101
03:04:54,130 --> 03:05:05,470
morning or early afternoon. And we have not had any time to put together hours. It does

2102
03:05:05,470 --> 03:05:11,730
not make sense to have two separate meetings on the presentation. I assure Mrs. Hoffman

2103
03:05:12,160 --> 03:05:19,430
that she will have the opportunity to present her work. And I do appreciate the time she

2104
03:05:19,430 --> 03:05:27,490
has spent on it, but we're not going to do it tonight. We're not going to change our policies

2105
03:05:28,110 --> 03:05:34,490
at the last minute when we hadn't what we thought was an agreement. So thank you, and

2106
03:05:34,490 --> 03:05:42,790
I appreciate it, and I apologize, Mrs. Hoffman, but I think you – I promise you you will

2107
03:05:42,790 --> 03:05:47,130
have the opportunity to do it, and probably to an audience that's more awake than

2108
03:05:47,130 --> 03:05:49,210
this one probably is at the moment.

2109
03:05:50,570 --> 03:05:51,490
Thank you.

2110
03:05:54,050 --> 03:05:54,690
Okay.

2111
03:05:56,350 --> 03:06:02,390
The next item on our agenda then is to simply consider our next three meeting dates, I believe.

2112
03:06:03,690 --> 03:06:08,050
And if somebody can get the agenda out, you can tell me what they are.

2113
03:06:08,370 --> 03:06:13,130
The next date is February 8th.

2114
03:06:13,130 --> 03:06:17,230
the 22nd of February and March 8th.

2115
03:06:17,470 --> 03:06:20,750
They're all Mondays and we all discuss 7 p.m.

2116
03:06:21,770 --> 03:06:26,670
And that's okay with all of you, Diane, is that they all work for you?

2117
03:06:27,950 --> 03:06:32,590
And Michael, you can get here at 7 p.m. on a Monday. It works for me.

2118
03:06:33,670 --> 03:06:37,250
I think that's the last thing on our agenda.

2119
03:06:39,670 --> 03:06:42,210
could I have a motion to close the meeting?

2120
03:06:42,710 --> 03:06:43,650
So moved.

2121
03:06:44,230 --> 03:06:45,170
Is there a second?

2122
03:06:47,650 --> 03:06:48,110
Second.

2123
03:06:48,590 --> 03:06:49,230
Thank you.

2124
03:06:51,150 --> 03:06:52,330
Everybody in favor?

2125
03:06:53,290 --> 03:06:53,910
Aye.

2126
03:06:55,390 --> 03:06:56,210
Anybody opposed?

2127
03:06:57,450 --> 03:06:59,250
The meeting is now closed.

2128
03:06:59,690 --> 03:07:00,650
Thank you all for coming.

2129
03:07:01,070 --> 03:07:03,190
I suspect we will all meet together again

2130
03:07:03,190 --> 03:07:05,070
in the not too decent future.

2131
03:07:07,110 --> 03:07:07,690
Take care.

2132
03:07:07,690 --> 03:07:10,590
Thank you. Good night,

2133
03:07:19,280 --> 03:07:21,760
everybody. Good night. Take care.