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Let me know when we're live.

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Start recording.

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Oh, thank you.

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Okay, we're live.

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Alrighty.

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Okay, I would like to call this meeting of the Bedford Planning Board to order.

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Tonight's meeting has been convened in accordance with the governor's March 13, 2020 Executive Order 20222.2, which suspends certain provisions of the open meetings law to allow a municipal board to convene a meeting via video conferencing.

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In accordance with the Executive Order, the public has been provided with the ability to view tonight's meeting via video conference,

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or to participate by telephone, and the transcript will be provided at a later date.

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I'm going to do a roll call of the Board members to make sure there's a quorum.

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Is Mr. Chairman here.

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Hi, here.

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Mr. Cateleado.

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Here?

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Dr. Lewis.

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He's joining me right now.

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Okay, let's wait a moment for Dr. Lewis to join.

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There she is.

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Dr. Lewis, would you please tell us your present.

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Dr. Lewis?

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Sorry, I've been muted.

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I am here.

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I've heard you now.

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And the chair is also present.

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We do in fact have a quorum tonight.

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And the secretary has the meeting been properly noticed.

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Yes, it has.

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So, I have confirmed with the Secretary that this meeting has been doing noticed.

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We have to build our legal notice requirements by posting notice on the town's home page

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of its website and providing it to the appropriate news outlets.

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A link has also been provided so that the public can view the meeting, and I'm advised

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that that link is active and working.

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Furthermore, our webcast of the meeting is available on the town's website and a video

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and transcript of this meeting will be available.

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We ask that all men, people, the public, mute themselves at this time until they are directed to speak so that they will be no interference during the meeting.

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Before we actually start with the business of this meeting, I have a very sad announcement to make our town council Joel Sax passed away suddenly after short illness yesterday on behalf of the board.

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I am sorry. I offer our condolences to Joel's wife and family. We mourn the loss of a

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colleague, but more than that we mourn the loss of a friend and even a mentor. Joel was smart,

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caring, ethical, and very, very kind. His pain leaves a hole in our hearts. Thank you for your time.

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I'd like to now begin the meeting, excuse me, with the first item on our agenda, which is a public hearing.

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The Honour applicant is our Jamie and Judith Diamond.

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It is an application for preliminary subdivision approval.

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This is somebody here to speak for the applicant.

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Yes, Charles Montevano, for the applicant and with me tonight is also rich, ladies from

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inside into you. Thank you. And there's just someone who's been before the Board of

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Art, I echo your sentiments exactly about it. It is a great loss and thank you for the great

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comments. This is a summary of subdivision application, but in the form of a lotline and just

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And if I could have Rich put the map up on the board,

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we'll walk you through it.

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It's situation where the diamonds are the owners

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of a parcel of property,

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consistency of 33.803 acres.

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And as a way Rich to blow it up a little bit,

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so we can see in a lot of mining chains, right in the middle.

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What's important to understand about this application,

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it's a exchange that points it out.

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The diamonds are acquiring parcel X as shown on that plan from their neighbors, the names, and they are transferring to the names parcel Y.

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So it is almost an exact swap.

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I think the difference was around 1,400 square feet.

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The purpose of that was to ensure that we didn't create any non-informities on the main course.

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And the purpose of a lot of my adjustment, as you can see, if you can see within the area of parcel X,

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there is already an existing access from the private road to the diamond parcel where you

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see that there's a building down there. This has been in effect three years and I think originally

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it may have been that they thought that they own the property but in fact it is owned by the means.

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So this is to affect Sweden National Transfer of that property from the mains to the diamonds.

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And I said it. That's it. I'm not saying I wish there was more but that's it.

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Any questions or comments from members of the board?

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Questions or comments from members of the audience?

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You may unmute yourself to make a comment.

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Or ask a question.

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It's just not seem to be an overly controversial issue.

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It seems quite straightforward.

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It's drastman.

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Is there anything that you have to add about it?

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Anything we're overloaded?

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No, this little property swap doesn't really create anything

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that we are concerned with.

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There's no problem with the cutting-off and access that might otherwise exist or anything like that as far as I can.

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No, it's actually the reverse.

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It's solidifying and existing access point.

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Which is a positive.

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This seems extraordinarily simple to me.

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Would any of the board members entertain a motion?

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How should you prove? Well, before we do that, could I have a motion to adjourn the, to, oh, motion

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to adjourn the public hearing.

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Motion to adjourn the public hearing.

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Motion to adjourn the public hearing.

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Close the public hearing.

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But that's my fault.

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No, that's okay.

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I was just back away.

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And I said.

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Could I have a second?

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Second.

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Second. Okay.

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We have a motion as second.

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Is there any discussion?

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All in favor of ending the public hearing. I'll take the roll. Dr. Lewis, I, Mr. Cateliano.

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Hi. Mr. Tierney.

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Hi.

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And the chair votes aye.

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So the public hearing is closed.

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Would you like to see as you have done before a lot of adjustments we can move right to final pay if that would be possible?

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I don't see a reason why not. In this particular case there were no issues raised in the

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in the public hearing, and we have no conditions on it.

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Mr. Austro-Midies, can you see any reason not to move to a...

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No, no, you have the authority to do that.

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You're basically waving the second hearing.

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What I think, Dr. Lewis, did you do the...

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What should you approve with no conditions?

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Right, so would you like to amend that to approve both preliminary and final?

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Women are in the final. Yes, I would like to thank you.

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Second.

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You said.

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I don't care before we.

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Can you hear me okay?

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Yes, yes, I can hear you Mr Gordon.

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I'm just checking with the director of planning.

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Is there this there need to be a determination.

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Undersecret before there will be.

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Thank you.

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We do it in a different order.

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So there is there is a motion and a second on the floor.

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Let's table that and turn to the.

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environmental clearance form. They have declared that it is a type two or

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exempt action could I have a motion?

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Don't move.

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Okay. Is there any further discussion of the being a type two or

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exempt action? Then I'm going to call the roll. Dr. Lewis.

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I, Mr. Catoliano.

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Mr. Catoliano, you have to unmute yourself.

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Aye. Mr. Tierney. Aye.

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And the chair also votes aye.

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It is the type two or exempt action moving back to the original item on the on the floor.

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Is there any further discussion?

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I'm going to call the roll.

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Dr. Lewis. Aye.

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Mr. Catoliano. Aye. Mr. Tierney. Aye.

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And the chair also votes aye.

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you have it, and what may be one of the fastest subdivision

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of the rules we've ever given.

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Thank you very much, everyone, good night, we'll be safe.

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Take care.

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The next item on our agenda is a discussion of Indian Hill Road, we're here tonight to hear

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a presentation from Gunniston consultants on the alternative horizon public utility wireless

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communication facility, Gunniston is going to do a presentation on a possible alternative

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approach to providing self-service in the village of Bedford in the Bedford Village area.

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Before we begin that, I didn't want to offer a clarification on behalf of the planning board,

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because in the number of newspaper articles and the like, it's been said that we were implied,

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I'm not sure which is the proper word, that we were suggesting that one single tower in the

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could, in fact, provide service for the entire town of Bedford.

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There was some miscommunication here that,

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largely we could never have said that, because there is already more than one large tower in the town of Bedford.

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We recently approved, have begun the site discussions for one in Bedford Hills.

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near Haines Road, near the Bedford Memorial Park

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in the former sewage treatment plant area.

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And there are others in the town as well.

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I think the confusion came from an argument that we've made

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that if we were to, as everybody realizes this began

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with a proposal for a tower at Hickory Lane

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In the Bedford Village area,

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we, the board has had some concerns about the Hickory Lane one, particularly what it covered and where, as an alternative Verizon suggested, another location at Stone Hill, the problem that we have with both of those are one of the problems that we have with both of those is that in both cases,

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I think most people realize is not well-covered by cell service, things are far-spotty or in bed-for-village, then, and either Katona or Bed-Ville's parts of Bedford.

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And either one of those two existing towers would leave still a significant gap, which leaves the possibility of another second tower coming in at a later date to fill that gap that would be left.

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It's been proposed and this is what we are talking about and still very much at the beginning of talking about.

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It's been proposed that a location on the edge of Indian Hill Park might actually cover enough of that considerably more than either the Hickory Lane proposal or the Stone Hill proposal.

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and cover enough that there would be no significant gap left, although there would still, of course, be small gaps left.

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And that's why we're considering it might mean that we only need one large tower in the bed for village area,

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but we were never talking about the entire town of Bedford when we talked about that.

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So I just wanted to clarify that because there seems to be some misunderstanding about it.

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That said, the President of Indian Hill Park have gone to great efforts, and I applaud them

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for this in hiring Garnerson consultants to try to give us some alternative approaches

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to this and where we have given them this form to make their presentations.

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We have a large crowd tonight, the purpose of this meeting is for all of us to see the presentation.

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They have requested the presentation go forth undeninterrupted and I think that's a very good idea.

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So there will be no questions from the Planning Board or anyone else during the presentation.

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And I'll ask my fellow members to do not interrupt the speakers.

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We are not going to entertain questions from the public for this meeting.

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If you have questions as you go as we go through the discussion, what I would urge you to

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do is to put them into the chat or to email them to Kim Kołowsky, they are not going to

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be handled tonight.

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We will pass on the ones that are relevant to the Anderson, to the Anderson, the ones that

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relevant to us. We will look at. So I do want to point out to you because sometimes things get a little wild and willy in the chats for things like this. It can be a little bit like social media.

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To keep in mind that the chat in this case is going to become part of the official record of the town subject to affordability and that sort of thing.

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And one might want to keep a civil tone in what one puts there because chances are you're

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Our name will be connected to it as well. So we welcome questions. We also welcome civility along the way.

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With that said, the other thing I'm going to mention is that we are, in fact, going to silence the microphones during the talk.

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And then eventually released the microphones of the planning board and our consultants so that we can ask questions at the end of the talk after

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the folks from Gunnarston have completed their presentation.

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I would ask all of us to watch this within open mind.

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We will certainly watch it within open mind, and I hope everyone will pay close attention to everything that is said tonight.

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Thank you very much.

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And I'd like to turn it over to the folks from Gunderson.

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I saw Brian Gunderson's name here.

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I did not think he was going to be doing the presentation himself.

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So I'm a little bit at a loss for who from Gunnar Sin is going to be doing the presentation.

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Brett, Brett Rial, you are going to be doing it. Okay. And you I believe have been unmuted. So I have to work on the mute. And I want to just do some before we start. So I don't mute everybody. And then have to figure out. So these back here. Okay, we will this is this is a complicated situation for all of us.

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Bear with us while our secretary gets the system work. We've Brett for you. Thus I am can you hear me. I can

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Here's I can hear you right. Yep.

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Okay, so that's all who we have unmuted at the moment. I think Ellis had a introductory statement also

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actually we had spoken we had spoken to Mr. Cousins and made it clear

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that we were not allowing any members of the public to speak.

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If you need anything from our town attorney about that, we can have a

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steer forward and unmute it as well to discuss it.

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But I believe that all.

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Thank you.

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That's perfectly fine.

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Right now, we just have Brett and Jira.

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We're unmuted.

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You can mute me for that matter.

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All right.

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So, jumping in, if we did want to thank the town for their feedback, we wanted to thank the planning board also for their willingness to allow us to make this presentation.

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We wanted to thank the chair, especially for suggesting that as opposed to just presenting problems that the group, the Indian Hill Park Conservancy presents solutions.

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And that's the reason we're here right now.

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I was able to view the neat, the last meeting when the 68 Stone Hill Road Craying Test was reviewed.

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I must say we were impressed at the chair's time that she took to walk through all of the photos and listen to the feedback from the community.

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It seems like the town is really taking a holistic approach to this cellular coverage solution.

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We've also noticed the wireless working group put a lot of research into coverage on both the 911 and the cellular.

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And it really does look like the town is taking a holistic approach, as I mentioned.

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Hopping in a little bit to what it is that we were asked to do.

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The goals of our involvement were to number one, make sure that coverage is available.

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And I'm assuming everyone can see my screen hopefully if you're not, please give me a head

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shake to the negative.

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But what we wanted to do is we wanted to make sure that coverage is available.

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It's critical to have coverage to the elementary school, to the downtown corridor, and to

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that the emergency responders have covers they need in doing their jobs.

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The infrastructure that we'll be discussing today is in use right now, including in places

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like Medina Washington.

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Medina coincidentally, or coincidentally, is Bill Gates' neighborhood.

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This is newer technology, it is in use, it is available.

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It's also important to understand that small sites do not equal small cells.

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There's a large misunderstanding among the general population of the United States

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right now that there are smaller sites that are not small cells and there are small sites

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that are small cells and we'll cover that a little bit more in depth as we get into

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this.

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What we're looking at is planned targeted coverage.

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How do we cover the areas?

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How do we fill the gaps?

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And also making sure that we understand that should a large single tower be built or a large

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tower solution be looked at.

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Building a tower does not guarantee collocation a little bit more on that one as well.

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And as the chair mentioned, one tower will not solve the coverage issues in bed for it will require a multi-site solution.

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A little bit on Gunners and Consulting's background.

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We work on wireless sites all across the United States.

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We've worked in some of the most pristine areas.

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We understand the need for restrictive zoning.

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We also have experience that allows us to provide alternative solutions.

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Another unique piece in our background is we do not provide solutions.

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We're going to not provide services to the wireless carriers.

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which keeps us free from any conflicts of interest that may taint our solutions or our recommendations.

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When it comes to 911 type services, we have built 911 networks. We are designing 911 networks.

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We understand how the network goes together. We work with our customers on all aspects of that network,

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whether it be administration, legal, down to the end users who actually use the system.

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Back to the presentation at hand, the scope of work that we were asked to put forth is not to identify specific locations, not to build a coverage model, but to identify if alternatives are available.

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We are not making any recommendations as to specific locations in this.

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The number one priority for us that we were tasked with is to evaluate if a 155-foot which could become a 174-tower in Indian helpark could provide the town of Bedford with comprehensive cell coverage.

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The number two priority was to identify if other structures could provide similar or better coverage as well as 911 communication coverage to the Bedford Village area.

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What we found is that there is no single site solution, again as has been mentioned already.

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But the multiple solutions or multiple tower sites would be required, and that it would be up to the wireless carriers,

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ultimately to provide locations for each of their individual networks.

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And each wireless carrier has different coverage needs.

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So a single tower that is that may be built is not necessarily solve that solution.

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It's been verified by Verizon in their own submission documents that additional towers would be needed,

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especially at the 68 Stone Hill Road, and as any proposed single tower will not provide the comprehensive coverage that's desired,

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we recommend taking a more holistic approach, looking at the coverage that's actually that is desired,

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and then building the comprehensive model before we build any single solution.

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What we found is that by utilizing a multiple different types of structures,

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coverage can be provided to the town.

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providing the E9-1 coverage this needed,

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using the requirements that are already in the zoning code

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to use innovative camouflaging techniques

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and minimally invasive structures gets us there.

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A little bit on that.

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So, again, reminding people that cell towers

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having a cell tower does not necessarily mean

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you will have cell service.

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By that, we mean you may have a Verizon tower, but that doesn't mean AT&T will go there.

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There's multiple wireless carriers. Small towers do not equal small cells, because there's

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differing technology that's in there.

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So what's on your screen right now is model coverage for Verizon wireless network.

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And just for reference, you've got the town down here with the building.

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You've got the school here, Indian Hill Parks up in this area.

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And what we see is yes coverage exists, but it's spotty.

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And there's targeted areas where coverage could be built in.

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Towers are only one means to do that.

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In fact, the communications towers are quite old when they date back to the 1800s.

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The current trend is not to build large towers in areas that are populated.

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It's to fill in the coverage.

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So, for example, if you have a gap in town and you want to build a tower,

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you can target that specific area and fill it in

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with the utility pole or a smaller structure versus something else

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and the same what holds true in outlying areas.

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When you look at why a taller tower may not be better than a small tower.

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Here's a specific example.

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and you're trying to reach the elementary school,

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there's a hill here off seminary road.

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And because radio frequencies work largely offline of sight,

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you're not able to get across the hill,

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and as you move down the tower, should co-locations occur,

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the ability to reach the school is even further diminished.

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Hopping over to, we mentioned earlier, Medina Washington,

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and Medina is Bill Gates' neighborhood Jeff Bezos also lives in the neighborhood.

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It is a similar to the Bedford Village area,

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because the topography is very diverse.

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You have rolling hills.

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and Jeff Bezos lives kind of down in here.

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What you find is they're using lower rise structures.

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You have utility poles, you have light poles, you have stand pipes, they're using

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existing water tanks and even low-rise rooftops from Verizon.

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The way those structures actually look when you get down to a granular level, you have

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these type of low-rise stand pipes, and you'll see different versions of these as flag poles,

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but these are in much smaller types set up water towers that are existing have been used,

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and these are surrounded by trees, so that the aesthetic impact is minimized, several different

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utility poles, another white pole here that has the cellular integrated on the top.

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And then even this pole happens to be a Verizon cell tower that exists, and this one has

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been in place since about 1999, if memory serves.

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So going back to the model of smaller is not necessarily small cell.

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When looking at different small cell networks, they can be poorly implemented as well, and sometimes

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not feasible. This particular site comes from Princeton, New Jersey, where they have different

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towers surrounding the area. But instead of coming in with a holistic approach, team mobile

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specifically is coming in and built a bunch of small cells in less than a one mile radius,

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which creates a bit more of a blight than what we would want. What we would prefer to see as a

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holistic approach, again, planning coverage and advance, so that when you're building out the

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network, you know where you're targeting, and you know what you need, so it's not a piece of

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approach.

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When looking at the existing wireless zoning code for the town of Bedford, we find

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some good things. The code already requires that you utilize existing structures where possible,

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you minimize the adverse visual and aesthetic impacts and use innovative camouflage techniques.

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Historically in the wireless industry, we do see a model of building the large wireless

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towers at the maximum possible as opposed to the minimum possible, and then hoping that you

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of additional carriers coming in and co-locating below there.

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What is possible as well, though, is building towers at a lower elevation and potentially

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extending that tower if a co-locator comes in.

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That fits the need of building at the minimum height possible and then working out if you

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get the opportunity to co-locate.

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One of the other pieces is to minimize the visual intrusion and keeping things in a model

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where they're either closer to the tree line or their camouflage

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or using existing structures usually fits that bill

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and building no higher than the minimum height necessary.

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There's a couple of feasts of legislation out there

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at the federal and state level that allow for streamlined processes

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to extend towers so that you don't need to go large towers.

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The downside to that is if you have a 150 foot tower

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with no co-locators and you have a tower that is extended

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beyond the absolute need, and it seems to miss the intention of the zoning code. It also creates

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a double argument. For example, Verizon's contractor C-squared presented a argument that

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the 150 foot is the bare minimum height they need. The challenge with that is if it's at 150

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feet and that's the bare minimum height, other wireless carriers would not want to take a diminished

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position to go any lower on the pole. Of also importance when you're looking at the minimum

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height necessary. The minimum height has a lot to do with the design of the network and the coverage

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desired. If you go in planning for lower structures and more structures, you're able to design

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the network at a lower elevation versus trying to cover something like a sprinkler where you're

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shooting out as far as possible. The other pieces blending into the surrounding environment minimizing

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the aesthetic impact are a lot easier with the smaller structures, and we were happy to find that

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bed for code already anticipates the use of utility structures and structures within the right

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of way to provide wireless communication services.

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When you look at the model of if you build it will become kind of that field of dreams

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thing, what we found is that's not always the case.

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These are statistics taken from the most recent reports available from the three largest

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tower companies in the United States, keeping in mind that there are four national wireless

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carriers and there are a number of smaller entities whether they're wireless internet service

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providers, 911 services, or others that would go on a tower, the average tenant per

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tower in Crown Castle's portfolio is 2.1, the American tower sits at 1.9, SBA sits

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at 1.8, averaging to less than 2.10 its per tower.

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Another interesting bit comes from a morning star's analyst report where Crown Castle

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had stated that his historically had taken about 10 years to add a tenant to a tower.

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So, just building a tower-hope and co-location comes is not necessarily a good model because it generally does not happen across the board.

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To the towers that are currently proposed in the town of Bedford, we're aware of three current proposals,

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with airs Indian Hill Park with 150 foot-tower, also at 68 Stone Hill Road 150 foot-tower, and 91

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Hickory Lane has been revised from a 150 to a 115. Each of these towers do provide distinct

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cellular coverage, but as you'll also see, there are some gaps. Before we get into that though,

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talking about the 911 coverage. There is a...

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Report put together on behalf of the wireless working group by federal engineering, talking about the creation of a tower at Indian Hill Park, as well as several other towers surrounding the town.

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And what we'd recommend is, before we look at building new towers, we would recommend looking at existing structures, existing communications structures and existing structures that may provide advanced or enhanced coverage.

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So, just taking a quick look at this and again, these are all high-level views.

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This is not in-depth engineering, but the current 911 network uses a tower at Kitton

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Park, Mount Kispo, Guard Hill, and a utility pole at Indian hills are off of Indian

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hills road.

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The coverage that you see kind of in this lighter green would be your excellent coverage.

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This darker green would be your not as great of coverage and then less coverage of course

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below. What we would recommend doing is look first to existing towers and in fact the federal

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engineering report does talk about utilizing a tower out here, but there's multiple towers

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or structures for example a water tower in this area that could be utilized to add coverage.

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And you'll have to forgive the lack of CGI that I use, but when you look at the ability to

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cover it if you were to look at the insight towers location. And it put 911 on there, the enhancement

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to the coverage would look something like this. If you look at the site above the high school,

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you could get enhanced coverage. It looks something like that. And if you use this water tower

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up here, you could enhance the cellular coverage even further. So again, not recommending any specific

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site, but recommending the use of alternate structures or existing structures to create the

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solution seems to make more sense before creating additional towers. As an additional solution,

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And first net is a network that was put together at the federal level.

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It's currently being managed and run and operated by AT&T, the cost for the infrastructure

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or born by AT&T and the federal government, and it provides a commercial grade communication

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system that the emergency service providers can't integrate into their network.

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When we go back into commercial cellular, there's a few things you'll see consistent throughout

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slides, so I want to touch on them briefly before we get too far into it.

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When we're looking at the existing coverage, the coverage that you see here in the

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green and blue, and let me preface this by saying I've been accused of being colorblind,

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so I will say this is green and this is blue, and if you disagree with me that's okay.

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The coverage that you'll see here, green is strong reception, blue is fair reception.

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The dots are actual drive test dots that were performed using equipment that measures

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the wireless signals, this is based on Verizon Wireless's network, so AT&T and T Mobile

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may have slightly different coverage patterns, but the green dots that you see here would

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be good coverage, the yellow dots that you see would be fair reception, and the red dots

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would be very poor reception or drop calls. For reference, and again, this will be consistent

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across these slides, the little building here represents the Bedford Village Town area,

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So as we get into looking at the different coverage, we're going to start with the proposed

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tower at Indian Hill Park should Verizon locate on that tower.

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And what we would expect from a 150 foot tower, the estimated RF proposal would be what you

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see here.

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And we outlined that the good coverage of the basic coverage in red.

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When we overlay that with Verizon's current network, you see that it doesn't enhance the

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that Verizon currently has, but it does leave some significant gaps where coverage would need to be enhanced by other another tower or some other solution.

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Important to understand also is frequency matters.

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When we look at the frequency that, and let me actually back up briefly by saying the coverage that we're showing here from Verizon comes from Verizon's own report that was put together by C-squared they're engineering firm.

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So the modeling that we saw, they were using something in the 700 megahertz band and it's important to understand the frequency does matter because the lower the frequency the farther the signal carries.

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So you can see the Verizon Wireless does operate in the 700 megahertz band, but they also operate all the way up into the 19-21-100 frequency band.

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The higher the frequency you go, the faster the data typically is carried, but the shorter distance the signal carries.

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So how that works is, this is looking at the propagation in the 850 MHz range versus the 1900 MHz range.

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Broadcasting from Indian Hills Park over to the elementary school.

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And again, carrying through the conventions that we talked about before, the green being the good coverage, the blue being fair.

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At 850 MHz, you can see the elementary school in a cut-to-half way through being decent coverage

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in great coverage.

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When you go up to 1900 MHz, the coverage drops off.

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So the modeling that you'll see here is built on the 850 MHz models.

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However, it's important to understand that additional coverage will be necessary or you'll

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have to model it differently when you're looking for the best coverage.

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The multi-site solution allows for that because you can target and surgically insert the

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at towers where you need to. To create a tower at Indian Hill Park out of the three proposals,

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this would be the highest impact of the three, largely because you have to create a tower,

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road we need to be created down this narrow strip of land, back up in here and then over to the

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tower, we anticipate it would have to be about a half mile long. The tower itself would create a

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tree line, maybe 80 feet above the tree line. Power and fiber would need to be installed, underground,

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all the way down that area. It's currently densely tree. There's some talk about the destruction

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of animal habitat. We also estimate this would be the longest time to market or the most

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00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:13,360
difficult site to zone or the longest time frame to get zone due to some of the concerns that

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00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,260
are there. When building a new tower, these, this is a construction build from a recent tower

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00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:24,200
site. And a road must be created. You have to go in and remove any of the obstructions that are

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00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:30,220
in the way. Utilities have to put underground debris has to be hauled out. Usually the site

445
00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:35,140
has to be leveled because it's on a hillside. And then the foundation needs to be bored or dug

446
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:41,800
or however that's going to be created. Once that's done, a reinforce steel basket gets put in the

447
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,880
ground. The concrete gets poured and then the tower stacked and finally the antennas are placed on

448
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,200
the what in this case is to be a faux pine tree. And usually they'll try to disguise the antennas

449
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:58,640
in some way so that it somewhat matches the surrounding area. From this side, we ran a review,

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00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,000
this is called a reverse view shed. And what it shows is all of the areas surrounding the tower

451
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:10,280
from which the tower would be able to be seen. And it's not a surprise that it's a fairly large area.

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00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:14,820
Something we found that was rather interesting is if you can see right in this area, that appears

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00:37:14,820 --> 00:37:19,160
to be the other monopine that's out in the Pound Ridge area, so you can tell it it definitely

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00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:28,340
is visible from quite a distance. Switching gears to the proposal at 68 Stone Hill Road. This

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is the estimated RF propagation or the coverage that you would get from a tower at 68 Stone

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00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:38,700
Hill Road. And if we overlay that on the current Verizon coverage, this is about what we would

457
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:44,140
expect to see where it definitely fills in the central area, but it doesn't even appear to get

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to the elementary school or the town.

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So it's still leaves significant gaps.

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Some side notes on how that works is

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it is the closest to the right of way.

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00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:55,700
We expect that the power and internet are already in the road.

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So it would take less to get this one up and running

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than the others.

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The site does not though intend to really provide coverage

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to the town or to the elementary school.

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You'll see this this maybe a little for shadowing,

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but it doesn't also appear to gain any significant coverage

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00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:13,540
over using utility pool in the right of way

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directly adjacent to the property. Moving on to 91 Hickory Lane. This would be the anticipated

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00:38:21,380 --> 00:38:25,540
coverage that would get from 91 Hickory Lane. And again, you've got the green being the best

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00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:33,060
coverage and the blue being the fair coverage. You can see that it does get to the town. It gets

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00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:37,780
to the school but not as good as you would hope but then the leaf significant gaps. Overlaying that

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on the current Verizon network, it gives you a better indication for where the coverage gaps would

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00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:47,340
again remember, and this is the drive test data, and it would still leave some significant

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holes in the town.

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91 Hickory Lane would be the second lowest impact site behind 68 Stone Hill Road to

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00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:55,700
create.

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It does provide the most overall coverage, but it provides it more inconsistent coverage,

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00:39:02,220 --> 00:39:07,180
and it would absolutely require additional coverage solutions, whether it be towers or low

481
00:39:07,180 --> 00:39:11,360
rise type solutions, and it appears also to conclude in this Indian Hill Park.

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00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,700
So, when we get into talking about alternative sites, there's a few things that we look at.

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Number one, while in the back of number one, it is important to remember that these are not specific

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00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:24,620
site solutions.

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00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,280
We're not recommending putting any pins in the map as there may be, we're looking at alternative

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00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,780
types and models that could work.

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So the locations we'll reference here are not a reference to a specific recommendation.

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Instead, there's something that shows a model of something that can work and has worked in

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other locations.

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When we look at where the industry is and where it has been, when this information, by the way, comes from CITA, that's a wireless industry group.

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When Verizon filed their initial application in 2017, the wireless industry was still primarily using cell towers to provide their commercial wireless service.

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Over the last few years, though, the use of smaller structures, whether they be small cells, DASNAT works are just low-rise structures.

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The use of the smaller structures is exponentially improved.

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There's been a shift in the technology that doesn't necessarily reflect the same infrastructure

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that was being used by Verizon when they filed the application.

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We have found that utility poles generally can be deployed quicker

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because they're already in the right of way.

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They're usually already streamlined processes in place,

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whether they be from the federal or local levels to either use the existing pole

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replace the existing pull with something that will work for the wireless providers.

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00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:42,980
They offer significant economic advantages as well.

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For example, in running a couple of different models using a cost that are familiar to the industry,

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the cost of a single tower over a 20-year period when you add in the construction cost,

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and there are more significant cost there.

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00:40:57,140 --> 00:41:00,940
Maintenance and rent, you could pay for five to nine utility pull sites.

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00:41:00,940 --> 00:41:09,280
So when you add that to the speed to market that the wireless carriers are even the 911 groups can utilize, it provides significant advantages.

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00:41:11,380 --> 00:41:16,720
Looking now at specific examples or representative examples of non-tower alternatives.

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00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,600
Here are a couple of examples that we used. Again, not using specific sites.

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00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:27,960
These are simply illustrations. The rooftop of the Bedford Playhouse was looked at.

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00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:34,040
a 80-foot pole on the water tank property and then 50-foot utility poles at Stone Hill Road,

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00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,740
Long Ridge Road, Old Post Road and Indian Hill Road. And what we found are the coverage is

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00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:45,060
able to be provided with utility poles consistent across the town in a better manner than what we're

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00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:50,060
seeing from the towers. So looking specifically at the Bedford Playhouse, if you were to add an

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00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:55,200
antenna to the Bedford Playhouse, we would expect this outlined area to be the coverage that would be provided.

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00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:02,040
Overlaying that on Verizon's network, you see you pick up a lot of different coverage, including the town area.

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00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:06,760
You pick up this, this is Indian Hell Road up here, and of course, seminary road.

517
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:14,160
And while there are still gaps, we anticipate those and that is afforded for by the multi, or by the multi-site solution.

518
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:22,360
The way that would look is you would put the antennas on top of the rooftop, it would be screened, so the antennas are not visible from the ground.

519
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:28,820
multiple wireless carriers could be served for a single site, and 911 could also be added

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00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:29,600
to this location.

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I did note in some of the discussions that 911 was actually talked about putting the

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00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:38,420
equipment on top of the firehouse as well, so there is a lot of different options to do

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00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:38,920
this.

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Generally, rooftop sites have power and internet to the street, so there's limited disruption

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00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:46,080
in the creation of those sites.

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00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:56,250
Looking at a utility pole site, and this would be a site that would be on my apologies for that noise.

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00:42:57,010 --> 00:43:03,210
At 668 Stone Hill Road directly adjacent from the proposed tower at 68 Stone Hill Road.

528
00:43:04,850 --> 00:43:07,930
We're finding that the coverage is not exact, but it is similar.

529
00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:13,250
It uses a lower height pole than what is being proposed as the tree or the tower,

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00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:19,770
and either structural not be a single-site solution so we need to look at the most minimally

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00:43:19,770 --> 00:43:25,410
intrusive site for that location. The coverage that you see from the utility pole versus

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00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:31,870
the tower is shown here. The blue would be the 150-foot pole. This orange is yellow would be the

533
00:43:31,870 --> 00:43:37,730
utility pole. Overlaying the utility pole on the current Verizon coverage you see you pick up

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00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:43,910
some significant areas with the roadways, and in the town area, the town area is the same

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00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:47,830
where you still need additional coverage there, but you do pick up some additional modeling.

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00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:55,030
Putting that side by side with the proposed Verizon tower, and this is what Verizon sees as

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00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:58,810
their modeled coverage, and this is what a 50 foot utility pole would cover.

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00:43:59,190 --> 00:44:01,170
The main difference is going to be signal strength.

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00:44:01,530 --> 00:44:06,710
You have the excellent, the five bars here, and you probably are four or three or four bars

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00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:13,810
in this area and with the 50-foot utility pole, the signal strength is apparently one of the predominant

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00:44:13,810 --> 00:44:20,870
concern or the prominent differences. So the utility pole is still providing coverage and anticipating

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00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:25,830
a multi-site solution you're still able to meet the goals. What this looks like from an aerial view,

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00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:31,750
utility pole versus where the tower would be, the tower is up in this area. It's right, this one is

544
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:36,350
right on the road. There's minimal disruptions because the utility structures are already existing,

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00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:41,790
911 can use the same type of set up by using utility poles and power and internet because

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00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:44,270
utilities are already above ground in that area.

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00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:45,230
They exist.

548
00:44:45,350 --> 00:44:46,190
The power is there.

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00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:52,150
The fibers are there and the components to get that site on air already exist and it can

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00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:53,050
be done much quicker.

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00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,980
A slightly different type of approach would be to put an 80 foot pole on the water type.

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00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:22,680
This is the water tower above town. Should a 80 foot pole be used? This is what we would expect the coverage to be from that location. Overlaying that into the existing Verizon network, we took a little different color scheme here where the magenta is the fill in areas, and you can see you pick up a significant amount of coverage that would be provided by using that structure.

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00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,860
And again, it's an 80-foot pull set back by the water tank, so there's limited visibility

554
00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:32,020
from anyone on main thoroughfares that the property is already a non-residential type

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00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:36,380
use and it's already owned by the city, so the visual intrusion is minimized.

556
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,840
The construction is minimized because it's an 80-foot pull versus a large cell tower, and

557
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,120
power and fiber are readily available.

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00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:53,060
Looking at a infill type coverage, a gap coverage would be using utility pull on long-bridge

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00:45:53,060 --> 00:45:58,460
road. And in this particular case, it's a 50-foot utility pole. This would be the expected coverage

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00:45:58,460 --> 00:46:02,980
if we were to place the utility pole of this location. By the way, all of these locations

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00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:08,600
do exist, but again, these are just modeled. If we overlay this on Verizon's network, this

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00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,760
would be the expected difference. So you're picking up the town, you're picking up some significant

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00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:19,160
roadways and affording yourself additional coverage with minimal visual intrusion. The benefits

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00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,440
here the points here are similar to all of the others it's located in the existing right of way

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00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,000
it provides 9-1 coverage should that be desired and should that be modeled and the utilities already

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00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,980
exist in the location.

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00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,170
The other one that we looked at was how would utility poles look if it was

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00:46:36,180 --> 00:46:42,720
if utility poles were used versus Indian helpark. Indian helpark is unique in that there are already

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00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:46,480
are some existing locations, for example, here's what we looked at.

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So, and you'd help mark, here is modeled in red.

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00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,960
The covers that would be provided by the park.

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00:46:52,340 --> 00:46:54,360
When I say there's already an existing structure,

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00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,080
9-1-1 currently uses the utility pole off Andy and Hill Road,

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00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,880
and the anticipated coverage for that would be shown in green,

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00:47:02,380 --> 00:47:05,220
and there's a row or a pole down here on long-bridge road,

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just off of seminary road, that would anticipate

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to provide the coverage shown in blue.

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00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:18,960
So, when we modeled this, we decided to use the pull off of old post-road, which is by the way root 121 for those who aren't familiar with that road.

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The coverage that would be anticipated to be gained for that location is shown in blue.

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00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:32,520
And you can see that picks up a lot of the uncovered areas, a lot of the areas that were previously not having coverage and the reshone and red are picked up.

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00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:40,980
So the coverage there is very similar to what you would get using a 50-foot pole versus a 150-foot tower.

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00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:44,980
One of the largest reasons for that is the differences in topography.

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00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:52,040
This is the slide or the topography that you saw earlier on, where you have the tower, but you have the ridge line here.

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00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,800
This is the topography going from the old post-road to the elementary school.

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00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:09,980
And as you can see, there's no null there, it's direct line of sight, even a lower structure is able to provide much better coverage because, again, as you would say, in the RF world, see the tower directly.

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00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:23,020
And again, with utility pull, with utility pull in this situation, it's already existing, it's in the right of way, it's screened by surrounding vegetation, so that it's minimally visibly intrusive.

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00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:26,980
Now, the way that this works is we have to put all of these pieces together.

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00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:32,000
We don't expect a single utility pull site or a single low impact site to create

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00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,800
the solution that we're looking for.

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00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,940
So as an example, here's what we put together, and a picture of pop up there in a second,

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but I don't want everyone to be too distracted by the picture before we talk about how we

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get there.

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So if we use the 80 foot pull at the water tank that we talked about, there's also the transmission

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00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,360
line easement across or above town. If you put a 100 foot utility pole or if you use a 100

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00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,860
foot antenna in the transmission line easement and you combine 50 foot utility poles from

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00:48:58,860 --> 00:49:04,000
long ridge road and pound ridge road, you could expect coverage looks something like this

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00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,160
when you overlay it on Verizon's current network. And as you can see, you get a fairly consistent

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00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,600
coverage throughout town that you that rivals anything that a tower would provide.

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00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:23,400
Moving forward, the question comes up of, okay, if you're going to use multiple utility sites or multiple sites, how does that look?

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Are we going to have towers all over the place?

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00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:32,120
And what we look at is, if we have four wireless carriers and emergency services are planning on adding new sites.

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00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:38,060
The model before was done using four wireless sites per wireless carrier.

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00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,080
And EMS plans on adding based on the working groups report eight new sites.

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00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:50,100
So, if all of these numbers come together, that would be a total of 24 poles that would be needed.

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00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:56,020
Now, just to give a little bit of context of that, I looked at an area between seminary

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00:49:56,020 --> 00:50:02,000
Hill Road and just up past Indian Hill Road about a mile and a half in this was on Route 21.

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00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:09,040
And I counted 21 poles or just over 20 poles in that one and a half mile area.

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00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:16,740
So, there's not a shortage of utility poles, and if the coverage is planned accurately and appropriately, it's not an excessive number.

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Getting you a little different view of how the topography looks in the different areas between 68 Stone Hill Road and the utility road, and this is a topographical map.

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You can see the different layouts that we have here, and why some of these sites work out better as far as being able to see different sites in different areas and provide the coverage.

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00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,560
other factors and I won't be labor some of these slides that are a little bit technical

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00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,760
just in the interest of time. Some of the other factors that we look at when we're looking

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00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,180
at different sites, the elevation, the ground matters, the pull and the tower height matters,

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00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:56,340
the overall height from the top of the antennas, the trees, the square mileage that's covered by

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00:50:56,340 --> 00:51:03,060
the propagation rather radios that are broadcasting. The impact of the roads that need to be covered

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00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:08,160
any environmental concerns that may exist and the availability of Internet, of course, is

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00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,640
critical because you've got to get that cellular connection back to the network somehow.

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00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:17,200
We also look at specific comments like if they struggled to reach a target area or if the coverage

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00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,920
is not being provided, this necessary.

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00:51:19,420 --> 00:51:24,780
Those are all important facts to consider when building any tower, but especially when you're building a lower site

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00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:26,460
solution or a lower elevation site.

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00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,260
So we also look at those with lower sites, and then we look at similar factors.

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00:51:30,260 --> 00:51:34,780
And these are some of the data points that we discussed and we looked at when we were building this model.

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00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:39,440
Another very important thing to keep in mind that I did touch on earlier is,

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00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,320
we've been talking about Verizon's network.

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00:51:41,940 --> 00:51:45,400
AT&T and T mobile currently have networks that exist in the town area.

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00:51:45,860 --> 00:51:49,160
Their coverage needs will be different than what Verizon's is.

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00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,360
And as dish network builds out their nationwide network, their coverage model will be different also.

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So, any tower that's built would be built based on assumptions of one carrier, and unless all of the carriers are brought together in a format where they're able to discuss their ultimate needs, it's difficult to plan a single tower or any large tower site that will become a multiple carrier solution simply because the coverage models differ.

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00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:20,960
So, that's the bulk of the presentation on this single, around the site that we're talking about,

631
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,600
but we did want to give some context to different sites that are available.

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00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:30,200
So, this is a view of different utility pool sites that we've seen all the way from the smaller light pools

633
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,680
to varying different types of utility structures.

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00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,880
And then, even to the flag pool type, we're even standpipe solutions.

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00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:39,640
Sometimes they take the flag off and just use that as a standpipe.

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00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:46,000
This is a newer-style pipe where they've got the venting in it that allows for the RR used to be cooled in the radio equipment to stay cooled.

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00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:53,780
This site here would be a transmission line set up. Sometimes they will mount the antennas directly on the transmission lines.

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00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:02,120
Other times they'll build a tower immediately adjacent to it, but the visual impact is already there, and adding antennas to it is again minimally intrusive.

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00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,740
Different types of utility pull structures that are currently in use.

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00:53:06,740 --> 00:53:10,780
You'll see them from some that are within the tree line, to some that are above the tree line.

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00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:17,560
You'll see these glue lamp poles, they're laminated poles that allow for higher elevations in additional strength

642
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,800
to using your standard round wood utility poles.

643
00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:25,260
The other types that are currently in use.

644
00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:29,420
This is a utility pole with a 911 antenna on top of it.

645
00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:31,460
Again, this is another flag pole.

646
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,460
This is a 65, the flag pole.

647
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,480
This was a 35 foot utility pole, by the way.

648
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,060
This is a two-story rooftop.

649
00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:42,740
These are two low-rise stand pipes that I don't have exact heights on,

650
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,420
but you can see that they're probably about 20 to 25 feet for this one.

651
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:48,300
I want to say this one's about 35 feet.

652
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,760
And this is a utility pulse with dash antennas that is clearly within the tree height

653
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,900
that is providing coverage to a targeted area.

654
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,260
Understanding if these will work in Bedford.

655
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,260
When we did our research, and it's important to keep in mind that low-rise structures

656
00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:11,180
are not required to be logged in most databases, so these numbers will be grossed like under-reported

657
00:54:11,180 --> 00:54:17,880
generally, but we did find on the cellular range less than 50 feet of elevation. They're

658
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:23,240
already 11 in use within 50 miles, 51 to 100 feet. They were 83 that we were able to find

659
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:28,500
and then you go up from there. Public entities are also using these. These would be EMS or public

660
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:34,660
works type situations, you have similar numbers on the lower, the lower, rise poles there.

661
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:40,040
Giving you some insight into additional structures that are used to make sure that they

662
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,680
to limit or minimize the view of these church staples a lot of times will have antennas.

663
00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:50,040
This is a church staples in Southport, Connecticut, where antennas are in that pole or in

664
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:50,640
the steeple.

665
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,880
When we talk about camouflaging the equipment, that's another piece that a lot of concern

666
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,680
needs to be given to because the equipment can grow and it can be very intrusive.

667
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,180
They are vaults that can be used to hide the equipment.

668
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,040
So this shows the vault that's being installed in Los Angeles, California, right off the

669
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:07,300
beach.

670
00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:11,600
And when they're done with it, the vault is completely underground and not visible.

671
00:55:11,740 --> 00:55:16,200
It's access via hatch and the antennas are mounted on a light pole in this area.

672
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,320
Some other types of structures that are seen that are that are becoming more and more common.

673
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:29,280
This is a church steeple that was built to house the antennas and the antennas are hidden in there and the cabling can be routed different different ways

674
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:35,420
This is a rooftop site with a privacy screen that has antennas behind it a clock tower. Obviously

675
00:55:35,420 --> 00:55:44,780
Water tanks are becoming more and more common where these are a fake water tanks is a screen is built at a fiberglass and the antennas are hidden behind that screen

676
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:48,580
So, you still have the aesthetic appeal of an older water tank.

677
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,440
The building couplers are frequently used when they're designed and custom built that way.

678
00:55:54,060 --> 00:56:03,360
This flagpole right here is in Havashra and the hotel coupler here is in Nanyuat and then

679
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,320
silos can also be used to how's the antennas.

680
00:56:07,820 --> 00:56:11,440
In addition to getting either views of different types of structures that are currently being

681
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:18,340
We also wanted to create a couple of photos simulations to show what a 50-foot antelate air utility pole structure could look like

682
00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:26,300
And this would be on a long-ridged road anticipating a 50-foot utility pole and this is from 150 feet away

683
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:31,180
So facing north and facing south. That's what we would expect that to look or look like

684
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:37,160
We also built one of those for pound-ridged road and again facing west and facing facing east

685
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,180
What the views of a utility pole would look like in those instances?

686
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:49,060
The next piece would be options for equipment vaults and I alluded to this earlier with the with the one on the ocean side

687
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:58,360
But generally they can be buried underground in the access either via hatch or a manhole type setup and this is a good example of one that's been installed where the equipment is right here

688
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,860
And the antennas are mounted on top of this light pole there

689
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:07,560
And as you can see the topography there is very similar where it's rolling that it's not as heavily treated of course as the area that we're talking about

690
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:20,060
And then just a simple size comparison for different towers, how it looks side by side, the 150-foot tower, obviously, dwarfs, everything else, where it just is a 100 feet taller than the utility pool.

691
00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:27,480
But in addition to that, you can use the 50-foot utility poles, and depending on application, you can use shorter structures as well.

692
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:32,340
So, those are the pieces that we've put together for this presentation.

693
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:39,760
I'll turn the time back over to the chair to see if there's any questions that we need to handle right now.

694
00:57:42,820 --> 00:57:49,960
Okay, can you hear me? Oops, I got to turn my video back on. Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

695
00:57:51,140 --> 00:58:00,600
I think at this point, I'm going to ask Kim to unmute the members of the Planning Board and our wireless

696
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:01,240
consultant

697
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:10,420
and our town attorney and Mr. Osterman

698
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:15,730
and have I left anybody out.

699
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:19,070
Oh, they've been

700
00:58:19,070 --> 00:58:25,350
members of the spokesperson members of the wireless committee.

701
00:58:27,740 --> 00:58:30,040
That would be Kyle and Hank and.

702
00:58:36,610 --> 00:58:37,770
I appreciate.

703
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:40,930
I do appreciate the presentation.

704
00:58:41,770 --> 00:58:42,770
It's it's very interesting.

705
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:46,370
Some of it we actually have been aware of.

706
00:58:46,510 --> 00:58:49,150
I was pleased to hear you talking about.

707
00:58:50,630 --> 00:59:00,870
That it makes sense to ask tower people to build, if you're looking for, for a

708
00:59:00,870 --> 00:59:05,790
co-location, if you are looking for co-location, which at the moment dark our code requires

709
00:59:05,790 --> 00:59:16,810
us to do, that it can make sense to ask a carrier to build, build for two carriers and build

710
00:59:16,810 --> 00:59:21,290
with the structure that could then support four carriers,

711
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:24,670
if necessary, but not put them there right away.

712
00:59:25,230 --> 00:59:28,810
Interestingly enough, we suggested just that

713
00:59:28,810 --> 00:59:33,830
at what the Bedford Hills site that we're talking about.

714
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:36,750
I think it was at our meeting two weeks ago

715
00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:39,950
and the homeless who's building that site

716
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:41,470
is looking into that possibility.

717
00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:45,570
We've had rather more success with co-location

718
00:59:45,570 --> 00:59:51,650
Then I guess some other places have from what you've said I know the green line tower has all four

719
00:59:53,070 --> 00:59:58,910
spaces taken. The Bedford Hills one is proposed for two sites already.

720
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,240
There are two separate licensees for the home one talent. There, Jeff, do you know, do you know a

721
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:14,220
fan, how well we're doing otherwise with collocation? The rapid prison site, I think.

722
01:00:14,260 --> 01:00:18,620
Well, the ones that corrections are more than one carrier, you know, the ones that fox lane,

723
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:25,780
I believe all four carriers of fox lane, are these the ones immediately on the, or immediately off the freeway?

724
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,820
Well, there's also a set of 684, that's a multiple installation also.

725
01:00:33,780 --> 01:00:33,840
Yeah.

726
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,680
I have seen that some of the towers around the town, especially in the high traffic areas,

727
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,740
where you have the freeways or high traffic counts.

728
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,500
Some of those do have collocations and some of them.

729
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,080
There are a couple of towers that one comes to mind that is near the correctional facility,

730
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,620
but it's not directly there that only has a single tenant.

731
01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:53,360
So it does happen.

732
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:59,580
It's important, though, to understand or to make sure that going in, it's not, especially

733
01:00:59,580 --> 01:01:06,200
in a remote area or a more rural area, to not necessarily build it for tenants that haven't

734
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:11,280
even been approached yet, but you have taken a thoughtful approach I've seen with the tower

735
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,100
up by the water treatment plant.

736
01:01:15,180 --> 01:01:15,260
Yeah.

737
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,760
And what happened with the one, it's not something we're particularly pleased with with

738
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:30,480
one in the one that only has one carrier on it in the light industrial zone, we had built

739
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,400
that one or we didn't, you know, we didn't build it.

740
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,420
We approved that one.

741
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,520
It was in precisely the kind of place where we felt that sort of thing belonged, which was

742
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:48,340
in the middle of a industrial area by a quarry, then the tower and the prison came by.

743
01:01:48,340 --> 01:02:09,660
We had no control over that, of course, the prison is state property, so the tower went in and went into competition with the one that we had had done, so that's one of the planning issues that can be frustrating for municipality that we have all of these other organizations whose rights and privilege was over right hours.

744
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:23,980
The reason the one is the one in that we approved is now obsolete is that the prison came in and built it and even bigger and taller tower and licensed it out and we could do nothing about that.

745
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:33,840
So it was an unfortunate situation, but not that has not happened with any of the towers that have been part of our larger plan.

746
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:48,860
and it was partly to try to avoid that kind of thing that the town has decided to take a holistic approach and have the wireless committee do the work that it's been doing for the last couple of years.

747
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:50,320
We've seen that.

748
01:02:50,320 --> 01:03:00,120
We've seen the thoughtful approach and the comments that have been made, especially with the Hickory Lane with regards to not breaking the view line or the ridge line with the views that would be created by a tower.

749
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:05,420
and the feedback that you were taking into account from the community is to the impact of the

750
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:12,300
crane test as 68 stone hill. We can see that the town is absolutely taking the concerns

751
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:18,120
of the citizens and their constituency into account and recognizing when there is visual impact.

752
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:24,480
Yeah, and we will be talking a little bit about there were some shortcomings with the

753
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:31,820
that we will acknowledge with the balloon test, but we'll talk about that at the end of the

754
01:03:32,820 --> 01:03:38,340
discussion here, because we are going to consider doing another balloon test, but we'll talk

755
01:03:38,340 --> 01:03:41,500
about that in more detail later.

756
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,460
The problem we have, at least the problem that I have with it,

757
01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:48,820
and it may be a lack of understanding,

758
01:03:52,370 --> 01:03:55,790
and we've been talking to consultants about

759
01:03:57,050 --> 01:04:11,670
The kinds of alternatives that you have talked about, and in fact, if you look at even the first presentation that our city scape did, it shows that we are looking at small cells.

760
01:04:12,910 --> 01:04:18,610
Now, I understand, I understand would be too strong a word, I will admit.

761
01:04:19,930 --> 01:04:24,530
I do understand that you're saying that what you're proposing are not small cells.

762
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:35,650
And that made it a little bit more clear to me because when I first saw your presentation

763
01:04:36,290 --> 01:04:41,810
and thought of these as small cells, they contradicted everything that our consultants

764
01:04:41,810 --> 01:04:46,090
told us about how far a small cell could reach.

765
01:04:46,090 --> 01:04:52,270
So I'd like to talk a little bit about what the real nature of these towers that you have

766
01:04:52,270 --> 01:05:04,240
are because our immediate reaction has been that this is what our professionals have told

767
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:09,260
us smaller, it's what they've told us small cells cannot do.

768
01:05:09,260 --> 01:05:20,260
Now, you're saying it's not small cells, what, how does a 150 foot tower reach the same

769
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:28,880
extent that a 50 foot tower does so consistently, as your things show?

770
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:37,860
I'm thinking of that, the one picture that you had with the three,

771
01:05:38,740 --> 01:05:46,080
Let's see, it was Indian Hill Park and the tower by, I'm sorry.

772
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,140
You're fine, let me bring it up. I think this is the one you're talking about here.

773
01:05:52,940 --> 01:05:56,200
I should get my copy of this on my eyes ahead.

774
01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:15,840
Let me touch briefly on the small cell versus the others.

775
01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:21,360
Small cell and let me just bring this one up because it has a picture of a small cell on it.

776
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,440
Smallsill is generally built to have a much smaller radius.

777
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:27,940
They use as a higher frequency because it's targeting,

778
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:32,560
putting higher data or reusing frequency in a smaller area.

779
01:06:33,540 --> 01:06:35,780
So the equipment that would be utilized is much different.

780
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,240
You've got smaller antennas.

781
01:06:37,660 --> 01:06:39,320
You have smaller base station equipment.

782
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,080
And again, you're operating at much lower power levels,

783
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,300
which it's not meant to broadcast it to a large area.

784
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:50,580
They're typically used in commercial areas where it's high density population.

785
01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:55,440
You'd see it like it, for example, in the downtown Bedford area, it may make sense.

786
01:06:55,820 --> 01:06:59,680
When you get out where you have one, two, three to five acre lots,

787
01:07:00,140 --> 01:07:02,660
it's not going to make sense because the economics just aren't there.

788
01:07:03,460 --> 01:07:07,020
So it depends on the situation and what our recommendation always is,

789
01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:10,100
is let's look at the best application for the situation.

790
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,060
If we try to hit everything with the tower,

791
01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:18,780
you're probably not going to get coverage as well as if you use multiple different types of solutions.

792
01:07:18,780 --> 01:07:23,820
So it's small so what we're recommending and proposing for the entire area, absolutely not.

793
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:28,800
This small so have an application maybe in limited use, but when you have the lower elevation locations

794
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:33,900
that we're talking about, those use the same type of equipment that a macro site would use

795
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:39,040
meaning the large platform antennas you have the base station radios.

796
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,680
You use similar equipment you're just using a smaller tower.

797
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,940
Okay, and that was actually what threw me about it.

798
01:07:47,060 --> 01:07:50,540
And there probably is something I'm missing here.

799
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,720
But so the piece of equipment that's on top of the tower is a knitting

800
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:06,700
the same intensity of RF that the antenna that's on a 150-foot tower is a knitting.

801
01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:12,180
not necessarily. So it's a great question because this is this is something that everyone

802
01:08:12,180 --> 01:08:19,420
runs into. And Kim, if you can unmute Ryan, he can also add some additional insight to this.

803
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,100
But when you model this cell site, you can do it based on a few different factors. Frequency

804
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:31,340
is one. The power level is another one. The elevation is another one. The topography and what

805
01:08:31,340 --> 01:08:36,380
we call the clutter, the different pieces of foliage or buildings or other things that could

806
01:08:36,380 --> 01:08:42,540
impact the signal. Those are all factors that you look at. So a tower that is sitting at a lower

807
01:08:42,540 --> 01:08:46,400
elevation wouldn't necessarily need to cover, and if you can still, there's still a student

808
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,920
my screen, I'm kind of highlighting a couple. It wouldn't need to necessarily operate at the same

809
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:57,520
level as something on a mountaintop, but it can still use the same frequencies in the same equipment

810
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:03,880
and provide coverage to the area. We can't see your screen. We can't see you right here.

811
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:04,540
I'm sorry.

812
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,840
Ah, well, that's a, we're having something I can remedy.

813
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:11,280
Can you see the screen now?

814
01:09:11,300 --> 01:09:12,280
Now we can.

815
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:12,700
Okay.

816
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:18,000
So I was circling this one here because it's one of the lowest rise pictures that we've got

817
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,640
or the lowest rise pieces of infrastructure.

818
01:09:20,380 --> 01:09:24,460
But you would have normal cellular antennas within that platform, but it doesn't need to operate

819
01:09:24,460 --> 01:09:30,920
at the same radio power, the same ERP is what we'd call it as a tower on a mount

820
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,580
top if that makes any sense.

821
01:09:32,580 --> 01:09:39,360
But now that does make sense. So let me ask something when you met the say that the

822
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,280
one I was talking about and I've almost gotten to it. I can tell you which

823
01:09:45,920 --> 01:10:03,840
that number page it's on hold on. I've got mine. Anybody else gets to figure out I think

824
01:10:10,050 --> 01:10:12,070
I'm sorry, it must be an easier way to do.

825
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:14,490
Ah, is there it is, it's 53.

826
01:10:15,450 --> 01:10:16,930
53, yes, slides are 33.

827
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:18,970
So, this one here?

828
01:10:19,170 --> 01:10:19,350
Yeah.

829
01:10:19,970 --> 01:10:29,430
Well, when you say that the Howard Olpos Road is reaching as far as the 150 foot tower,

830
01:10:29,690 --> 01:10:32,050
and you know, what power is it?

831
01:10:32,690 --> 01:10:34,090
Is it act to do that?

832
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:34,610
What happened?

833
01:10:36,050 --> 01:10:38,490
This one, and I'm going off memory here,

834
01:10:38,490 --> 01:10:46,290
But I believe that this was a 50-foot tower on 150 watts in the 850 megahertz range.

835
01:10:46,690 --> 01:10:51,630
And how does 855 watts, how does that connect like that?

836
01:10:52,190 --> 01:10:54,690
What would have been what would be on the 150-foot tower?

837
01:10:55,190 --> 01:10:57,650
For consistency, we ran them at the same.

838
01:10:59,050 --> 01:11:08,430
So in this case, you're talking about putting, again, as I said earlier, a fairly

839
01:11:08,430 --> 01:11:20,320
high intensity antenna at both at 50 feet. What does that do to the calculations for figuring

840
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:26,660
out whether or not an antenna meets FCC requirements or the tap on?

841
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:33,300
That would, good question. That would need to be run generally if you're on a 50 foot tower.

842
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:39,000
Our experience is that you'll still be within the FCC guidelines generally at those levels

843
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:44,460
you're well well within the FCC guidelines, but that would, excuse me, that would absolutely

844
01:11:44,460 --> 01:11:50,600
need to be modeled and run by a RFC, it's someone that performs the RF engineering for that.

845
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:58,280
And you would be in addition to that, so you would meet the guidelines, people will

846
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,600
the guidelines, but still probably be higher than you would for the 150 foot.

847
01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:07,300
From our experience, it would meet the guidelines and logic would say it would be lower because

848
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:14,100
the farther do you get from the RF source, the lower the RF, the maximal permissional exposure

849
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:15,900
is the MPs.

850
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:20,640
How do you want to say something?

851
01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:22,120
I just have a question.

852
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:28,300
I'm not quite understanding what you're saying, and if you could just go through for me, but

853
01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:57,440
And it seems to be that if you're at just a 50 foot height with the same radiation, it's going to be instead of being like 150 feet above someone's head and 500 feet from their house, now you're talking about making it only 50 feet, you know, which makes like 40 feet above their head and maybe 50 feet from a house.

854
01:12:59,220 --> 01:13:06,980
I know we're not supposed to consider the health effects of the frequency, but are you telling

855
01:13:06,980 --> 01:13:13,200
me that there is no difference in how that effect people?

856
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:19,500
So real quick, if Kim can unmute Brian, he actually just ding me and ask if he could be unmuted,

857
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,020
he can weigh in on this.

858
01:13:21,180 --> 01:13:21,680
I want to.

859
01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:22,720
I have to try.

860
01:13:23,380 --> 01:13:23,780
Okay.

861
01:13:24,860 --> 01:13:34,340
So to answer the question from a high level, will the RF exposure be more than from a tower that is one mile away?

862
01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:41,160
And would the tower be with the RF exposure be less from that tower one mile away from a tower that's 15 miles away?

863
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:43,440
The answer would naturally be yes.

864
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:50,260
From the FCC's perspective though, they'll also look at the maxable permissible exposures, the MPEs.

865
01:13:50,260 --> 01:14:02,100
And if you are 5% versus 7% you're still within those guidelines and again, you're, like you just mentioned, we're not allowed to consider those, but we also want to make sure that it's reasonable.

866
01:14:02,860 --> 01:14:14,060
We're not talking one mile away. I'm sorry, but we're not talking one mile away. We're talking about sites that examples you've given us, where the tower,

867
01:14:14,060 --> 01:14:21,200
Um, at Indian Hill is we put a hundred feet away from any residents, the one on all post

868
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:26,920
road is, I believe, within a hundred feet of a resident's actually maybe two or just

869
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,840
feet, but I think it's more like a hundred feet of a residents.

870
01:14:30,340 --> 01:14:31,120
So it's found.

871
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,500
Can you hear me now?

872
01:14:34,740 --> 01:14:35,520
Gotcha, Brad.

873
01:14:36,140 --> 01:14:36,320
Okay.

874
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,960
So there's a code section in the FCC.

875
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:48,660
And I also refer to the bulletin 65, which is the science required for determining this.

876
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:59,200
So the FCC says anything that is above 32 feet is categorically safe for all of the emissions.

877
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,520
All of these sites. The bulletin 65 goes into more depth, which talks about the horizontal distance, as well as the vertical distance.

878
01:15:09,980 --> 01:15:20,680
In our experience, anything that is more than about four to six feet away from directly in front of the antennas becomes safe.

879
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:39,620
And we know this because we do this on building tops, all of the time, where we have what's called controlled environment, which are your roof workers, and you'll find that, you know, they're gated or skirted around the antennas out to a certain distance.

880
01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:45,600
And we measure that with attached rad-mans to their belt, essentially.

881
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:52,000
So those go off if they ever get into that envelope within that six feet area or so.

882
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,740
And then we usually calculate that down into the first floor of a building

883
01:15:56,740 --> 01:16:00,760
so that the top floor of a residence or school or whatever.

884
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,780
We calculated it below the ground, below the roof.

885
01:16:03,780 --> 01:16:32,320
So from the experience level that we have, the knowledge that the FCC bulletin 65, which is the science part of the FCC for non-ionizing radiation levels, and what the FCC has essentially mandated in their order is that, yeah, roughly anything above 32 feet is categorically safe.

886
01:16:33,340 --> 01:16:45,960
Now, and I, and I do understand that in terms of making decisions about these things, we are preempted, we don't, we don't based our decisions on the health issues.

887
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:53,500
So I'm thinking of this more from a categorical point of view.

888
01:16:55,420 --> 01:17:03,280
You know, part of what I was hoping for from this because as some of the representatives

889
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:10,120
from the friends of Indian Hill have said, these self-taught applications are among the

890
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:18,980
worst that we have to be over because we are preempted and so much, and because there's

891
01:17:18,980 --> 01:17:27,260
Nobody who wants them, frankly, sometimes for greater reasons, but often for a

892
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:30,740
reasons that the federal government doesn't recognize. And it may not be

893
01:17:30,740 --> 01:17:36,940
entirely rational. I am married to a scientist to a physicist. And I do

894
01:17:36,940 --> 01:17:40,960
on a personal level. I'm pretty well convinced that I probably get more

895
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:45,080
damage from the cell phone I put up to my I years and I do from any

896
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:51,280
with that far away from. But if we're talking about

897
01:17:53,550 --> 01:18:05,530
finding multiple sites, smaller sites that have all of the same RF characteristics of the tall tower sites, only we're going to have more of them.

898
01:18:05,570 --> 01:18:11,210
Then we would have the tower sites. I think it's something we have to have to consider pretty good.

899
01:18:11,210 --> 01:18:14,570
but that's why I wanted to make sure that that's actually what you were saying.

900
01:18:15,150 --> 01:18:23,890
The one I added note that I would say is that the pole configuration is a single carrier and the envelope

901
01:18:25,450 --> 01:18:29,330
for the near levels for that single pole is from the single carrier.

902
01:18:29,950 --> 01:18:36,630
So you should put multiple carriers on the same pole, it becomes additive and totally collective on the radiation

903
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:44,950
that comes out of there. So it's not each carrier is independent of each other. They are collective at that point.

904
01:18:45,330 --> 01:18:51,490
But then you have four carriers on all closed road. You're going to have four of these poles in a row.

905
01:18:53,050 --> 01:18:56,090
Yeah, they never become collective.

906
01:18:56,930 --> 01:19:00,790
Yeah, you have separation at that point. Whereas the tower at Indian Hill Park,

907
01:19:00,890 --> 01:19:06,550
you would have did the plan or the goal would be to have four wireless carriers within a thousand feet of at least 10

908
01:19:06,550 --> 01:19:11,790
households. And then you have to add those numbers together, where a utility pole, again,

909
01:19:11,870 --> 01:19:16,130
if you're using a surgical approach to add multiple sites in the only in the infill areas

910
01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:22,630
that you need, operating at the highest rate, the highest levels possible is not required. So it

911
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:26,770
gives you more control and it gives more flexibility when modeling that. Something that they

912
01:19:26,770 --> 01:19:32,010
account could do is ask the wireless carriers for the exposure level. So ask for verification

913
01:19:32,010 --> 01:19:35,170
and they are complying with that, so that you have that assurance.

914
01:19:36,050 --> 01:19:38,550
Now, we definitely do that on all of them.

915
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:41,950
We would ask for that on Indian Hill, we would ask for it.

916
01:19:41,950 --> 01:19:42,110
Good.

917
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:45,290
We'll be asking for it in Homeland, we'd ask for it before.

918
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:47,910
Mr. Ketoliado, did you want to?

919
01:19:48,930 --> 01:19:49,330
No.

920
01:19:49,790 --> 01:19:52,950
You guys actually covered everything I had a question about.

921
01:19:53,790 --> 01:19:54,210
So.

922
01:19:54,490 --> 01:20:00,030
As for the number of houses that are close on Indian Hill,

923
01:20:00,030 --> 01:20:04,170
that there are a number within a thousand feet,

924
01:20:04,450 --> 01:20:06,930
but in some of the other places you've suggested.

925
01:20:07,650 --> 01:20:13,070
I'm just trying to be clear on what the problems we face are

926
01:20:13,070 --> 01:20:18,190
because I think they haven't been explained to you

927
01:20:18,190 --> 01:20:19,630
as clearly as they could.

928
01:20:19,670 --> 01:20:24,990
If you consider the water towel, for example, in their privilege,

929
01:20:26,890 --> 01:20:31,070
There are a number of houses within 500 feet of that.

930
01:20:31,150 --> 01:20:34,230
I'm not sure how many at this point.

931
01:20:38,730 --> 01:20:41,370
But because the federal bill is a denser place,

932
01:20:41,470 --> 01:20:46,890
but the other issue is you, you've proposed an 80 foot in the one example you've given you

933
01:20:46,890 --> 01:20:52,110
the most an 80 foot tower of many tower.

934
01:20:52,110 --> 01:21:00,430
be well in front of the water tower, wouldn't that be clearly visible from sunny field farm

935
01:21:00,430 --> 01:21:09,350
and from the approach to sunny field farm, which is one of our major scenic areas, would even

936
01:21:10,230 --> 01:21:20,370
us an 80 foot tower by the water tower, do that. If we're on the other, we have considered the water

937
01:21:20,370 --> 01:21:28,070
tower, or lower the soil cell kind of thing, and putting the antenna behind the water

938
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:33,490
tower. But where you're proposing it, it's 80 feet and it's in front of the water tower.

939
01:21:34,730 --> 01:21:40,070
I mean, we do a balloon test there and find it by doubt that I may be wrong about the visual

940
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:46,010
and past. So something to keep in mind, and all of your concerns are very, they're important to

941
01:21:47,190 --> 01:21:54,890
But what we're looking at is we're not recommending any specific location as much as we're looking at alternatives that are available.

942
01:21:56,070 --> 01:22:04,310
So a utility pole or an 80-foot pole behind the water tower versus next to the tower is not what we're looking at in this scenario,

943
01:22:04,650 --> 01:22:06,150
because either of those are probably viable.

944
01:22:07,150 --> 01:22:10,410
What we're looking at is are there alternatives that could be used in the answer?

945
01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:15,690
and categorically yes where those replaced would be something that the town and the wire

946
01:22:15,690 --> 01:22:25,290
the carriers would need to work together on. And that and that's the problem. I know that the

947
01:22:25,290 --> 01:22:33,450
public often doesn't understand that we've been looking at these for a very long time and desperately

948
01:22:33,450 --> 01:22:40,230
looking for alternatives and what I have to admit I was hoping and praying for was that there was a

949
01:22:40,230 --> 01:22:50,770
technology that we were unaware of, because, you know, when people said we could use three of

950
01:22:50,770 --> 01:23:00,330
these and take care of all the problems and they could be in these specific places, it seemed

951
01:23:00,330 --> 01:23:09,570
to, it seemed very promising. But what I looked at when I saw this is, but I looked at first,

952
01:23:09,570 --> 01:23:37,190
I have to admit it was a total, I totally misunderstood it and I saw a small cell, I saw what you were proposing, a small cell, and they just don't go as far as you were saying these came. So it was, it was a revelation when you started talking about, when you asked, you sent a answers to the questions and told us they were regular hours. And at first I said, I said, I didn't know you could do that. And then I started thinking about it and saying, I'm not sure I want you to do that.

953
01:23:37,190 --> 01:23:44,620
And I find myself

954
01:23:46,660 --> 01:23:58,800
offering a hope to people that I don't think is likely to actually be fulfilled.

955
01:24:00,140 --> 01:24:02,240
Could you share some specific concerns?

956
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:09,080
The RF exposure we understand that we also understand it's something that is difficult to quantify.

957
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:14,000
What other concerns about viability are there on the town's part?

958
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:21,600
Okay. When you find the gave us a map, one thing that actually showed a possible combination.

959
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,820
And the coverage is very good on the slide that you've got showing right now.

960
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:34,740
It includes first of all, the 80-foot pole at the water tank at a place that our wireless people had already.

961
01:24:34,740 --> 01:24:41,420
I believe looked at and decided this was a problem visually because of the, because of

962
01:24:41,420 --> 01:24:46,840
sunny field farm, but then you also show a hundred foot pole within the transmission

963
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:52,300
easement line, which is a fantastic idea, which we spent hours trying to talk nice

964
01:24:52,300 --> 01:24:59,180
to get into letting us do and in bed for hills, I mean, it's, as far as I'm concerned, it's

965
01:24:59,180 --> 01:25:04,360
a no brainer to put even 150 foot tower in the transmission line easement.

966
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:11,060
I have seen it done in other states, right above the area where we are putting a tower

967
01:25:11,060 --> 01:25:16,720
and that, for hills, there is a transmission line that would have been made of far superior

968
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,740
place, and I don't think there's anybody in town that would have objected to it because

969
01:25:20,740 --> 01:25:25,900
as you quite rightly pointed out, if you're standing next to a massive transmission

970
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:35,920
What do you care about as a cell tower in addition to it, you're going to try not be looking at it in the first place?

971
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,840
I think we'll not agree to it. We've tried.

972
01:25:42,700 --> 01:25:45,080
We don't have those alternatives.

973
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:54,020
Then we're back to finding more utility poll issues in different areas that we'll do this.

974
01:25:54,020 --> 01:25:54,320
And

975
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:03,200
then I look at where you put the utility poles on long-bridge road and pound-bridge road.

976
01:26:04,180 --> 01:26:09,080
And the pictures look fine, but the picture is assumed that you're going to bury all the equipment.

977
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,640
That's an awful lot of equipment for antennas that size.

978
01:26:16,420 --> 01:26:26,020
And varying all that equipment is going to be a major construction job as the drawings of the equipment.

979
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:36,040
Containers going in indicated and notice they were mostly going in pretty urban areas all paved and the best, but I know you can do it in rural areas.

980
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:44,920
But how many of the trees around those old are going to be left after you've dug the holes to bury the equipment.

981
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:57,140
And one of the, one of the things the neighbors, it's downhill, you saw the, you said you watched the public hearing, one of the things the neighbors, it's downhill.

982
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:25,140
What I've said about was the fact that that power was going to be so close to the road, these are going to be even closer to the road, and I don't think it's likely that they are going to look the way they look in your picture, because when you look at those towers and in Bill Gates's community, there's nowhere near the number trees in Bill Gates's tower, it's a whole different aesthetic.

983
01:27:25,900 --> 01:27:26,580
So,

984
01:27:29,060 --> 01:27:30,040
it, it,

985
01:27:32,730 --> 01:27:43,790
you know, yeah, well at this point, what it seems to me is, you know, I'm not saying that any of these sites wouldn't be possible.

986
01:27:44,650 --> 01:27:51,850
I see on the chat somebody, but they said, we should do a crane test from the water tank.

987
01:27:51,850 --> 01:27:59,510
I think we probably will look at the water tank, eventually if there's something I doubt it will be made to pull and I doubt that it will be in front of the water tank.

988
01:27:59,670 --> 01:28:05,030
I think it will be behind it and maybe if you mapped it that way, it would still work.

989
01:28:06,010 --> 01:28:17,290
But what I see is what I'm trying to get across, I guess, is that I don't see these being any easier to put in terms of people's objection to them.

990
01:28:17,290 --> 01:28:25,170
than the tall towers, except that we'll have to do so many more of them, 24.

991
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:34,330
And I doubt that any easier to do than a single tower somewhere.

992
01:28:36,510 --> 01:28:38,250
Respectfully, I'm sorry, go ahead.

993
01:28:39,570 --> 01:28:44,210
No, no, Fred, I'm sorry. I got a thing to check. I got a degree with our chairwoman,

994
01:28:44,830 --> 01:28:50,470
Again, my line of work is in disruption and I have to agree with her, it is not going to be that simple.

995
01:28:50,830 --> 01:28:56,650
You're in the right way. You are along the thoroughfares of our town. It is going to take.

996
01:28:56,750 --> 01:29:00,550
It's in our choice pass 24 times over and that is one Karen.

997
01:29:02,010 --> 01:29:04,230
She is absolutely spot on.

998
01:29:04,230 --> 01:29:08,130
But to correct that real quick, it's not 24 per carrier.

999
01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:10,410
That would be an on-close.

1000
01:29:10,930 --> 01:29:16,530
And something else important to keep in mind is in the right of way, there are multiple options.

1001
01:29:17,530 --> 01:29:19,070
So the options are putting any equipment.

1002
01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:21,410
Baring is one option screening is another.

1003
01:29:23,970 --> 01:29:25,450
Topography, absolutely matters.

1004
01:29:25,810 --> 01:29:28,670
And you do have a different type of tree in your area.

1005
01:29:29,210 --> 01:29:32,510
In the Pacific Northwest where the example was,

1006
01:29:32,510 --> 01:29:36,930
Bill Gates neighborhood, the difference they have is ever grains where it's there all year.

1007
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:40,470
So I understand the concern.

1008
01:29:41,310 --> 01:29:45,510
What we're, again, what we're proposing is an option that is viable that does work.

1009
01:29:45,870 --> 01:29:48,290
The coverage that can be provided is feasible.

1010
01:29:48,910 --> 01:29:50,450
It just takes a matter of looking at it.

1011
01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:53,610
Now, are there concerns and is there disruption when you're creating this?

1012
01:29:53,650 --> 01:29:59,970
Yes, is permitting a, or is installing a 50-foot tower that doesn't...

1013
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,180
Require a 35 foot foundation that has a concrete basket, less intrusive than the tower, of course, it is, because

1014
01:30:08,180 --> 01:30:14,020
utility companies replace utility poles all the time. And we've seen at a number of locations where

1015
01:30:14,020 --> 01:30:20,120
they do replace these utility poles. So we understand your concern and their valid. What we also do

1016
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:26,380
is we see these go in in a lot of locations across the country, and they do work. But again, what we're

1017
01:30:26,380 --> 01:30:32,760
posing is not specific locations, but alternatives that do work, that some of them may not be

1018
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:37,280
feasible based on the specific location that was represented. But again, the wireless

1019
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:41,820
carriers will ultimately determine what their coverage needs are, and then working together

1020
01:30:41,820 --> 01:30:47,480
the town can provide a minimally invasive solution that doesn't require multiple large towers

1021
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:48,900
across the town.

1022
01:30:50,880 --> 01:31:03,800
I can tell I'm glancing at the chat and I know people are getting upset with me because I'm finding holes in this, and it's not really what I intended to try to do, but

1023
01:31:08,090 --> 01:31:08,790
what does that mean?

1024
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:24,580
I think that the difference in opinion comes from, you know, our knowledge of building thousands of sites and what we see on a daily basis since this is our business.

1025
01:31:25,660 --> 01:31:37,640
And Bedford hasn't done this yet, so do one or two and see how you like it because it does work, it is one of the better things to do.

1026
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:53,180
And keep in mind that no matter what you do at Bedford Hills Park, you have to build another site or possibly two sites to fill the coverage deficits that are created or left behind.

1027
01:31:53,180 --> 01:31:56,540
because of that, one site just doesn't do it.

1028
01:31:56,940 --> 01:32:02,160
Now, I understand that, but I see that there is a difference

1029
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:04,080
between a,

1030
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,820
sorry, I just got a text message from Diane Kim.

1031
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,420
Diane can't don't mute herself.

1032
01:32:21,290 --> 01:32:25,630
I see a difference between a small cell, which in Bedford Hills,

1033
01:32:25,770 --> 01:32:28,410
for example, is something that I think is being considered

1034
01:32:28,410 --> 01:32:45,450
And what you're talking about with it, which is essentially a macro antenna and it has, you know, you say telephone poles are replaced all the time. And of course, they're replaced all the time.

1035
01:32:46,050 --> 01:32:58,090
Do they have bolts that have equipment in them that get replaced with them? I've never seen a telephone pole that's had a bolt of the size of the one that you showed in that

1036
01:32:59,410 --> 01:33:09,090
That's that vault can hold more cabinets than what you typically find out there for macro cells at this point.

1037
01:33:09,230 --> 01:33:16,010
The macro cells that are being built are typically two cabinets, one for battery neutrality.

1038
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:24,010
And the second one for the actual control and internet and all of the radios are now at the top of the towers or the poles.

1039
01:33:24,010 --> 01:33:25,630
So they're becoming minimized.

1040
01:33:26,190 --> 01:33:31,530
That's just one model of a vault that's done

1041
01:33:31,530 --> 01:33:33,930
by the castle concrete.

1042
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:37,150
There are other vaults.

1043
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:43,330
And you can even do more compact on above-site stuff.

1044
01:33:46,010 --> 01:33:51,690
So as Brett was saying, your comments, we could answer those.

1045
01:33:52,230 --> 01:33:53,270
We could give you more examples.

1046
01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:58,710
we could probably take you to see a couple of them in a neighborhood, so as we locate them,

1047
01:33:58,910 --> 01:34:04,470
something that's out in your neck of the woods. But these are done more often than not,

1048
01:34:04,610 --> 01:34:11,650
and the percentage of polls that are being put in versus large towers is astronomical.

1049
01:34:13,230 --> 01:34:20,690
Small polls or small polls? I won't. No, no, small polls. Small polls. And give you,

1050
01:34:20,690 --> 01:34:27,030
Here's an example of when I was building out all of the networks across the country for a team

1051
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:33,490
mobile between the years, 2000 and 2004, thousands and thousands of sites.

1052
01:34:34,890 --> 01:34:39,930
I was able to build Portland in the surrounding area because they had a code that was similar

1053
01:34:39,930 --> 01:34:46,530
years, which allowed for 50 feet by right, as long as you made your 35-foot setbacks from your

1054
01:34:46,530 --> 01:34:52,450
property lines. My competitors were all trying to build 150 foot polls or 150 foot

1055
01:34:52,450 --> 01:35:00,430
monopoles and 125 foot monopoles in many cases and they were going to take

1056
01:35:00,430 --> 01:35:06,150
over two years to get it done. I got the entire city and most of the

1057
01:35:06,150 --> 01:35:11,790
surrounding communities done in about seven months because I just literally

1058
01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:19,470
bought up a heap of poles and put them in by right and they look great and they're still there today.

1059
01:35:20,090 --> 01:35:23,010
Could you see all that that's that's interesting. I'd really like to

1060
01:35:23,630 --> 01:35:29,850
I'll picture some of those down. Yeah, yeah, there. They're just like what Brett was showing you.

1061
01:35:29,970 --> 01:35:35,710
I used a combination of steel poles and concrete and concrete aggregate poles.

1062
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:41,390
When I go downtown, I use concrete aggregate to match again nature matches as much as I can.

1063
01:35:42,410 --> 01:35:52,970
Just in pictures in the more rural areas that she put, it's something that the parts of it that are closer to that word, but that might help convince me that this is more of a name.

1064
01:35:54,290 --> 01:36:06,970
And the pulse we were suggesting for the Bedford area being in the tree area is there's a fiberglass pole, a hollow core pole that you can order to length.

1065
01:36:08,170 --> 01:36:19,770
specific for the wireless carriers, and they are nature matched, so they go in and you can even replace the power line poles and put the power right on those poles.

1066
01:36:20,010 --> 01:36:24,690
So they don't have to be exclusive to the wireless carriers.

1067
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:27,230
Jeff, did you have something?

1068
01:36:30,710 --> 01:36:33,050
I'd let Jeff say something in there.

1069
01:36:33,050 --> 01:36:40,170
I just wanted to say that this whole discussion began because of an application from Verizon.

1070
01:36:40,850 --> 01:36:46,450
So I think it'd be really helpful if we could find something in our region that Verizon has done along this line.

1071
01:36:46,750 --> 01:36:48,930
Is there something you know like that?

1072
01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:53,190
Well, we're having a hard time getting Verizon to talk to us.

1073
01:36:53,630 --> 01:37:01,710
I think it's up to you guys to, yeah, we'd be glad to sit down and have a meeting with Verizon, obviously over Zoom.

1074
01:37:02,530 --> 01:37:05,510
But they're not going to talk to us at this point.

1075
01:37:05,530 --> 01:37:08,710
They 150 foot full in a park.

1076
01:37:09,310 --> 01:37:14,250
But his Verizon done an installation similar to this, like I said,

1077
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:20,010
I don't know about your area specifically, but if you could reach out to them,

1078
01:37:20,170 --> 01:37:23,610
we'd be glad to held the angle that's there to the ground.

1079
01:37:24,010 --> 01:37:25,030
I'm sure they're listening.

1080
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:26,650
I just want to correct something.

1081
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:27,970
It was on the chat there.

1082
01:37:28,010 --> 01:37:29,190
There's no proposal.

1083
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:31,130
There is no cell tower at guard hill.

1084
01:37:31,130 --> 01:37:34,990
and there's no proposal to raise one to 144.

1085
01:37:35,970 --> 01:37:37,710
That's all radio tower installation.

1086
01:37:38,410 --> 01:37:41,330
I believe there was a comment in one of the reports that

1087
01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:44,270
had mentioned raising that to 140 feet.

1088
01:37:44,650 --> 01:37:45,990
Yes, radio, not so.

1089
01:37:46,150 --> 01:37:46,690
Correct.

1090
01:37:48,670 --> 01:37:50,550
If Diane, did you want to say something?

1091
01:37:51,170 --> 01:37:53,570
Yeah, just going back and sort of reiterate.

1092
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:59,130
We had asked Verizon about putting the

1093
01:38:01,350 --> 01:38:07,270
equipment involved and sinking it when we were discussing the other towers because we think

1094
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:14,990
that would drastically decrease the visual impact of these things. And they said in the topography

1095
01:38:14,990 --> 01:38:22,650
here that's very difficult because they're often, there's often a lot of rock, but again it

1096
01:38:22,650 --> 01:38:27,770
would depend on an individual site but to be able to put in 25 of those right next to a road

1097
01:38:27,770 --> 01:38:32,790
and not hit rock would be more difficult here.

1098
01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:38,870
We have, we've had these other problems with things in the right of way in this town

1099
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:46,390
that's sort of unique to the town, and that's all being in bike paths in the right of

1100
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:46,730
way.

1101
01:38:47,050 --> 01:38:52,850
There are stone walls and trees which have prevented us from putting in what we would really

1102
01:38:52,850 --> 01:39:01,050
which is bike trails that are constant with the road all over the town. So these ideas are really great if

1103
01:39:01,050 --> 01:39:08,010
some if they work, but these are impediments that we have seen around here.

1104
01:39:10,610 --> 01:39:19,550
Again, I'd like to get some more of the technical end of things. It was a problem for me that

1105
01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:28,430
the examples of coverage that were used used the same intensity for the 50 foot

1106
01:39:28,430 --> 01:39:35,330
hours for the 150 foot tower because it doesn't it doesn't make sense to me

1107
01:39:35,330 --> 01:39:41,070
that the lower lower ones would have the same impact, but I may be misunderstanding the

1108
01:39:41,070 --> 01:39:47,690
technology so could I ask Mr. Tegley a fairy or consultant to chime in on this

1109
01:39:47,690 --> 01:39:54,450
little bit. Is this something we should be looking at more seriously? Does the logic work? Are we

1110
01:39:54,450 --> 01:39:56,110
overlooking something here?

1111
01:39:59,210 --> 01:40:04,250
I'm wondering, am I being unreasonable in what I'm talking about

1112
01:40:04,250 --> 01:40:12,090
of being concerned that these towers are not actually going to match what we could get from the Indian

1113
01:40:12,090 --> 01:40:19,450
health, do they? Well, the thing is there would be more of them, like, which was presented

1114
01:40:19,450 --> 01:40:27,070
in order to match the coverage, the coverage. And the thing is, I mean, if you remember

1115
01:40:27,070 --> 01:40:32,990
that it's all driven by Verizon originally came to the town looking for a solution in

1116
01:40:32,990 --> 01:40:38,490
this area. And, you know, they would, they're the ones that are going to have to ultimately,

1117
01:40:38,490 --> 01:40:48,490
You know, we can present them with other options or multiple side solutions, but they're the ones that are ultimately going to have to agree on that to do it.

1118
01:40:49,490 --> 01:41:06,150
And when you're talking to small cells or if they're going to put utility poles and typically they may need to involve the third party infrastructure, like the Crown Castle, or an infinite to come in and put in to build the infrastructure for a small cell.

1119
01:41:06,150 --> 01:41:12,370
We're supposed to, you know, multiple site solutions that Verizon may not be willing to do.

1120
01:41:12,830 --> 01:41:12,850
Yeah.

1121
01:41:13,210 --> 01:41:21,330
Extend that usually is for small cells directly, not that don't generally build the lower elevation macro sites, correct?

1122
01:41:21,450 --> 01:41:21,870
Right.

1123
01:41:22,090 --> 01:41:23,870
They're basically a vast network.

1124
01:41:25,030 --> 01:41:26,130
And same as the ground.

1125
01:41:26,350 --> 01:41:26,690
Correct.

1126
01:41:26,910 --> 01:41:29,090
We're talking about low solutions here.

1127
01:41:30,750 --> 01:41:35,570
But for small cells, as an alternative, that would be,

1128
01:41:35,570 --> 01:41:39,950
would be another alternative, but you would then need a lot more sites,

1129
01:41:41,050 --> 01:41:45,050
accommodated additional carriers as well, where the small cells would,

1130
01:41:45,050 --> 01:41:47,610
basically like Chairman was saying,

1131
01:41:47,650 --> 01:41:50,010
macro sites just had a small lower level.

1132
01:41:50,810 --> 01:41:52,790
And the thing is too, I mean, we can identify areas,

1133
01:41:54,230 --> 01:41:59,930
but we still have the issue of finding exactly the

1134
01:41:59,930 --> 01:42:01,990
locations that will work for Verizon.

1135
01:42:01,990 --> 01:42:08,990
Because, you know, everything was saying now speculation on what will work for them, where, you

1136
01:42:08,990 --> 01:42:14,830
know, they're only asking for one tower in one location. They're not looking to cover the entire

1137
01:42:14,830 --> 01:42:16,430
town right now.

1138
01:42:17,110 --> 01:42:17,330
So.

1139
01:42:17,470 --> 01:42:21,630
And to be fair, this proposal was in the entire town, either.

1140
01:42:22,330 --> 01:42:24,330
It's just a bit of a village area.

1141
01:42:24,330 --> 01:42:26,690
But maybe

1142
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:42,270
I should post a question to Alex just to reiterate if Verizon or if the town were to say this is our wireless code and these are the type of instructions that we would need to see.

1143
01:42:42,590 --> 01:42:51,370
Would you see a model in which Verizon or the other wireless carriers could build a model using the lower solutions non-dass and months, small cell.

1144
01:42:51,370 --> 01:42:56,010
you're still using the macro site, but do you see a model in which they could cover the town

1145
01:42:56,010 --> 01:42:57,850
using the URL of Asian towers?

1146
01:42:58,870 --> 01:43:01,470
Yeah, they certainly can.

1147
01:43:02,050 --> 01:43:09,150
The thing is they would have to identify specific locations and mark those locations and run

1148
01:43:09,970 --> 01:43:12,550
their modeling to make sure that it would all work.

1149
01:43:13,310 --> 01:43:14,310
I'm sure they could do that.

1150
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:17,670
The question is will they do it?

1151
01:43:17,670 --> 01:43:23,130
You know, because this case load that says the town probably can't force them to use the

1152
01:43:23,130 --> 01:43:28,890
certain technology when, you know, another type is available, so that's what we're trying

1153
01:43:28,890 --> 01:43:37,670
to find the best trade-off where, you know, do multiple sites that could be, it could ultimately

1154
01:43:37,670 --> 01:43:44,430
be more visible to the community than one tower, you know, in a specific location, wherever that might

1155
01:43:44,430 --> 01:43:47,830
Hickory or Stone Hill or Indian Hill?

1156
01:43:48,250 --> 01:43:48,670
I'm wondering,

1157
01:43:50,870 --> 01:44:02,270
when you were developing this site, did you talk to any residents who were volunteering sites near them for these small towers?

1158
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:14,050
It's a little preliminary, it's a little preliminary for that simply because what we were tasked to do is find if alternative solutions would work.

1159
01:44:14,050 --> 01:44:18,790
Ultimately, the wireless carriers would need to propose the sites.

1160
01:44:19,550 --> 01:44:27,310
So getting in front of property owners or other people to talk about something like that was outside the scope of what we were needing to do.

1161
01:44:27,610 --> 01:44:31,830
Since we were simply looking at, is there an alternative type of site that would work?

1162
01:44:32,410 --> 01:44:36,410
Unfortunately, what people don't understand is it is our scope of what we have to do.

1163
01:44:36,490 --> 01:44:36,970
Absolutely.

1164
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,300
So some folks who live near potentially viable sites who said, we think this is a good enough idea that we would

1165
01:45:12,300 --> 01:45:29,640
invite it here. Because I'll tell you, as soon as one site was identified, we got an Indian hill road. We got an

1166
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:34,340
And then when your report came through,

1167
01:45:34,700 --> 01:45:37,100
I have to say this bothered me a little bit.

1168
01:45:37,420 --> 01:45:40,220
When your report came through, although you used it,

1169
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,360
the site on Indian Hill Road.

1170
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,220
In some of your examples on your chart,

1171
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:49,120
you actually said that that one wasn't a good site for ascetic reasons,

1172
01:45:49,260 --> 01:45:54,840
and I'm wondering why the poll that you think would be fine at

1173
01:45:54,840 --> 01:46:01,940
cold post road and pound bridge road would not be fine on Indian Hill,

1174
01:46:02,020 --> 01:46:08,580
you know, aesthetically, maybe something I missed, but, you know, I think.

1175
01:46:08,780 --> 01:46:13,460
And it's sand. So two answers on that one, just briefly, you know, number one,

1176
01:46:13,700 --> 01:46:19,240
the poll that is on Indian Hill Road was something that was brought up by members of the community.

1177
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:23,840
And to be intellectually honest, it's actually in use currently.

1178
01:46:24,260 --> 01:46:29,880
So to ignore that one, it would not be addressing the current situation that exists.

1179
01:46:30,780 --> 01:46:45,440
As far as tower locations, what I think we're getting caught up in is we're still talking about specific locations when the locations that we reference were specifically meant to be conceptual and the types of locations that would work.

1180
01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:48,120
the actual locations would have to be approved by the town,

1181
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:50,340
and we have to be requested by the wireless carriers.

1182
01:46:51,340 --> 01:46:53,540
So if we're discussing those specific locations,

1183
01:46:54,580 --> 01:46:57,100
we're not suggesting any specific location.

1184
01:46:57,620 --> 01:47:00,300
We were simply modeling options that do work,

1185
01:47:00,540 --> 01:47:02,640
showing that other technology or other locations,

1186
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,560
and other types of structures are, in fact, viable.

1187
01:47:11,650 --> 01:47:37,650
You know, I would like to see us continue to look at this, but I have some, you know, it's, it's, I was looking for something new that I hadn't heard before and I don't mean to to insult you and there is the idea that you would use the macro technology and tennis on a short of site is

1188
01:47:38,330 --> 01:47:43,990
I wouldn't call it new technology, but it's an idea I hadn't considered, but my reaction

1189
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:52,630
to it is frankly, now instead of one or two applications in a year that drag on forever

1190
01:47:52,630 --> 01:47:59,770
where people are upset and distressed and the rest I'm now going to be sharing meetings.

1191
01:47:59,810 --> 01:48:04,990
I'm not going to be doing anything but sharing meetings over placing towers because as you say,

1192
01:48:04,990 --> 01:48:08,710
each one has to be chosen, each one has to be argued about.

1193
01:48:08,930 --> 01:48:11,350
I don't see the basis for the ultimate that

1194
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:14,210
can made that nobody will adapt to these.

1195
01:48:15,490 --> 01:48:19,530
So again, I'm guessing putting this out as challenged

1196
01:48:19,530 --> 01:48:21,290
to the community to some extent.

1197
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:25,530
If the community thinks this is a good idea,

1198
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:28,750
I'd like the community to start to actually

1199
01:48:28,750 --> 01:48:32,250
suggest some possible sites.

1200
01:48:32,250 --> 01:48:36,450
because that's what that's essentially what Verizon has forced us into.

1201
01:48:38,230 --> 01:48:46,010
We did. How soon do you think you could get the 150 foot tower built in the park?

1202
01:48:47,170 --> 01:48:48,110
No idea.

1203
01:48:50,610 --> 01:48:56,330
I think that's, I don't build cell towers.

1204
01:48:56,970 --> 01:49:01,730
Well, from the planning and approval timeframe, isn't that fairly

1205
01:49:02,250 --> 01:49:09,850
long lead time even if you consider it today. I don't think necessarily so the biggest question is

1206
01:49:09,850 --> 01:49:14,870
there is a park alienation issue and that can either take a short time or a long time,

1207
01:49:14,970 --> 01:49:19,850
but that would be the most complicated part of it. But I want to be clear on something.

1208
01:49:31,670 --> 01:49:32,230
That's

1209
01:49:32,230 --> 01:49:39,330
this discussion of the environmental issues and the rest, there is still, there are still

1210
01:49:39,330 --> 01:49:44,050
things to be quite a bit in the way of things to be done on that.

1211
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:44,950
But

1212
01:49:49,820 --> 01:49:58,360
to some extent what I'm feeling we're left with is either pursuing that seriously

1213
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:04,200
to see if it's possible, which we may find out that it's not.

1214
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:17,040
But pursuing and finding it's possible or we can turn down the other two locations which we don't like.

1215
01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:29,300
And get sued by Verizon because I think they would be having a problem if we did that without seriously considering another alternative.

1216
01:50:30,300 --> 01:50:40,020
And then the courts will put a tower onto how to stone hill road or in the or if you're

1217
01:50:40,020 --> 01:50:47,040
laying, which are sites which for many reasons we think are truly terrible sites.

1218
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:53,440
The one on Hickory Lane actually that we're rejecting isn't that far off from what you've

1219
01:50:53,440 --> 01:50:54,300
been suggesting.

1220
01:50:54,300 --> 01:50:58,300
It's a monopole, it's a single monopole, one carrier,

1221
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:03,860
basically, we're going to look like a flagpole,

1222
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:14,080
it'll be 115 feet instead of 80 feet or something like that, but it's not that different from what you propose,

1223
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:23,520
and everybody hates it. So I, and frankly, they're right when we did the balloon test for that,

1224
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:46,480
still stuck up like a sore thumb on the ridge. So I don't quite know where, and I don't, from a practical point of view, I don't see where your solution actually makes for the kind of village harmony that I would like to find. And I know people are hating me absolutely hating me at this moment.

1225
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:51,640
It was saying that, but I just don't see it.

1226
01:51:51,820 --> 01:51:52,920
And there's another more important

1227
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:55,880
that should happen really to discuss here.

1228
01:51:57,300 --> 01:51:59,180
And I think there's somebody who wants to talk.

1229
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:02,640
Yeah, they're going to speak just very quickly about this.

1230
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:04,680
And I have to agree with you.

1231
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:05,840
It's going to have to make.

1232
01:52:06,140 --> 01:52:09,740
I think the public needs to understand that in the support,

1233
01:52:09,980 --> 01:52:13,000
it's predicated on the approval and you mentioned it,

1234
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:22,680
all of these in unison as a system. In other words, you can't approve 183512. It's got to be

1235
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:29,160
the whole plan. And if that doesn't come to fruition, then the report and the coverage and the

1236
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:35,260
capacity, everything that we're seeing here, it's not going to work. And I just need every return

1237
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:43,980
So is that what I guess I would ask on that front and I'm not disagreeing that it absolutely requires coordination.

1238
01:52:44,640 --> 01:52:50,960
Absolutely knowing that a single tower can't be can't provide the coverage across town.

1239
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:59,200
I'm not sure that there's much of a difference because the wireless carriers will still need to provide additional towers to provide coverage.

1240
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:07,620
Whether it's 350 foot towers, 250 or the towers, we would actually encourage exactly what you just mentioned.

1241
01:53:08,100 --> 01:53:13,180
Have the wireless carriers come in and present their plan to you to provide coverage to the town.

1242
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:19,760
And that way, it's not oh a tower at 91 Hickory and then a tower at 68 Stone Hill.

1243
01:53:19,940 --> 01:53:25,600
Because when you look at the coverage models for both of those towers, they're covering different areas.

1244
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:32,100
So, if you're going to end up with multiple coverage and multiple requirements at the same time,

1245
01:53:32,420 --> 01:53:36,780
it sounds like it may warrant bringing the carriers in and asking them for the plan to provide coverage.

1246
01:53:36,780 --> 01:53:39,020
I've actually been talking about that.

1247
01:53:39,780 --> 01:53:46,860
I thought I saw your, you're speaking like them on.

1248
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:50,220
Now, look at it.

1249
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,960
You think we've been,

1250
01:53:56,200 --> 01:54:00,540
we've been hoping from the mapping that we've gotten from some city

1251
01:54:00,540 --> 01:54:07,740
scape and the rest that India would in fact take care of a much larger section of the gap than

1252
01:54:07,740 --> 01:54:17,280
and the other two would enough that that what would be left would be areas mostly in

1253
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:22,840
that the village where a small cell technology, something with the bill shorter than 50 feet

1254
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:31,100
and a lot less powerful than a macro antenna probably someplace like the playhouse or

1255
01:54:32,060 --> 01:54:39,340
or even the water tower, but something smaller

1256
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:44,080
could help fill in the

1257
01:54:47,380 --> 01:54:49,960
musing like in the knowledge and now that.

1258
01:54:51,420 --> 01:54:53,740
The capacity of the fire, the capacity of the fire.

1259
01:54:55,100 --> 01:54:58,860
Do you think if we did something at Indian Hill that ultimately,

1260
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:01,960
we would still need another tower,

1261
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:06,080
another map of tower in the Bethlehem, the Algeria?

1262
01:55:06,540 --> 01:55:10,480
Well, in that area, based on the coverage that Verizon

1263
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:13,820
shows, because originally, if you remember, they

1264
01:55:13,820 --> 01:55:17,080
will, at Hickory Lane, a lot of that coverage

1265
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:20,620
was going into Pound Ridge, both those more to the south.

1266
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,680
And they've the Stone Hill location is a little further north,

1267
01:55:24,900 --> 01:55:26,720
where the Indian Hill is more centrally located,

1268
01:55:28,060 --> 01:55:32,640
and would probably provide based on one of the maps that they submitted,

1269
01:55:33,140 --> 01:55:34,780
coverage into that village area.

1270
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:40,840
So, I mean, this is my feeling.

1271
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:43,140
And I think I think you raise a very good issue.

1272
01:55:43,300 --> 01:55:49,740
We should discuss it and make sure that we're clear with Verizon on this,

1273
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:54,340
that this should satisfy their needs for a tower

1274
01:55:54,340 --> 01:55:59,940
in the Bethany Village area, the need, their needs for a macro talent at the village area.

1275
01:56:00,660 --> 01:56:07,220
And again, I don't deny that our, um, that our consultants are talking about eventually meeting

1276
01:56:07,860 --> 01:56:13,780
a small cell technology, a small cell technology, short of something in the 35 foot range.

1277
01:56:13,780 --> 01:56:15,820
I think Thomas, that what they've been talking about?

1278
01:56:16,820 --> 01:56:17,700
Yeah, yes.

1279
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:25,840
in the center of the village and potentially in debt for hills and and

1280
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:30,080
Katrina as well. So that's what

1281
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:34,780
we're looking at.

1282
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:38,780
Yes, I am.

1283
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:40,320
I'm not.

1284
01:56:41,820 --> 01:56:47,400
Here is one other issue that we haven't talked about about at all.

1285
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:51,860
And I think it's a serious one we've sort of planned

1286
01:56:51,860 --> 01:56:58,960
on past to the issue of emergency services.

1287
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:06,500
And I'm wondering whether or not our emergency services

1288
01:57:06,500 --> 01:57:13,900
people would be willing to tell us whether the system

1289
01:57:13,900 --> 01:57:18,300
that has been suggested here will work for them.

1290
01:57:20,860 --> 01:57:24,370
Do you have anything to add about that?

1291
01:57:27,170 --> 01:57:28,030
Thanks, Deirdre.

1292
01:57:29,410 --> 01:57:31,390
The committee has good evening, everyone.

1293
01:57:32,190 --> 01:57:35,450
The wireless facility working group has reviewed.

1294
01:57:36,330 --> 01:57:37,710
The information presented tonight.

1295
01:57:38,650 --> 01:57:43,790
Obviously emergency services always welcome to new ideas and new technologies.

1296
01:57:43,790 --> 01:58:07,050
So for clarification, I just wanted to clarify, get some clarification from Brett, when you mentioned 911, I assume you're referring to fire police and EMS communications. When you say 911, are you saying 911, the ability for a resident to dial 911 and read.

1297
01:58:07,930 --> 01:58:12,050
We've always been talking about what you guys need to be safe out there.

1298
01:58:13,050 --> 01:58:13,990
Yeah, and similar on our end.

1299
01:58:14,090 --> 01:58:17,010
When we say 911, it's encompassing all the emergency services.

1300
01:58:17,850 --> 01:58:22,210
So the emergency service providers would be what we were talking about.

1301
01:58:22,230 --> 01:58:22,610
Okay.

1302
01:58:23,270 --> 01:58:23,870
Great clarification.

1303
01:58:25,330 --> 01:58:27,050
A couple questions regarding FirstNet.

1304
01:58:28,370 --> 01:58:29,950
I've seen it personally myself.

1305
01:58:30,830 --> 01:58:33,890
I've seen it advertised in trade.

1306
01:58:33,890 --> 01:58:41,850
in some state agencies discussing it, as far as from what I can see, reviewing it and other

1307
01:58:41,850 --> 01:58:49,050
committee members will review the first net site. It doesn't appear to be built out in this

1308
01:58:49,050 --> 01:58:55,890
area at all, so I'm not sure if you have any timeframes for that or anything regarding that,

1309
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:57,670
because when I look at the website,

1310
01:58:59,950 --> 01:59:03,450
there's no mention at all about this area, the plan for a

1311
01:59:03,450 --> 01:59:12,550
build out some of the concerns also with first then a not sure how much experience you guys have with it and using it in some of the projects that you've worked on.

1312
01:59:12,930 --> 01:59:15,510
But the initial concerns that we see.

1313
01:59:16,290 --> 01:59:21,490
And again, the lack of generator backup power for these multiple sites.

1314
01:59:22,030 --> 01:59:30,730
That would be one. And especially in this area, we have an issue with storms, you know, and storms that come to the area.

1315
01:59:30,730 --> 01:59:36,050
and typically what happens here is the poles get knocked down, snapped and then there's no power

1316
01:59:36,050 --> 01:59:41,170
to the area. So obviously some of the stuff on utility poles for emergency services would be

1317
01:59:41,170 --> 01:59:48,530
of concern and also I'm not really sure how many sites that first net would need to build out

1318
01:59:48,530 --> 01:59:52,890
just to cover the village along with the town of Befford. So I'm not sure how much experience you've

1319
01:59:52,890 --> 01:59:54,230
using this product.

1320
01:59:56,550 --> 01:59:59,970
So real quick, before I answer it, Kim, it looks like Brian some

1321
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,080
So, when was the last time or how long has it been since you looked at the coverage of first night in the area?

1322
02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:09,720
So, did you set your presentation? I was taking a look at it.

1323
02:00:10,140 --> 02:00:17,160
Okay. So, AT&T is under some very strict parameters to implement this solution and they have certain coverage requirements.

1324
02:00:17,220 --> 02:00:24,880
So, they're working diligently on getting that set up and to put in place. Verizon is you're probably aware of Verizon also has a competing service that they offer.

1325
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:33,200
When it comes to the backup power backup at the cell sites, typically the cellular providers

1326
02:00:33,200 --> 02:00:39,060
either have it or implementing the implementing generators at cell sites and first that

1327
02:00:39,060 --> 02:00:40,840
operates on the AT&T network.

1328
02:00:41,820 --> 02:00:48,440
So the communication sites would generally have either significant battery backup with a

1329
02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:52,160
temporary generator able to be brought on site if the power outage is significant enough,

1330
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:55,400
or most of them now have generators on sites.

1331
02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:04,440
So all of the first nets got an obligation to do about a thousand sites a month.

1332
02:01:05,460 --> 02:01:09,980
Adding the antennas in the radio units for first net exclusively.

1333
02:01:10,740 --> 02:01:14,620
And they're putting them on all of the AT&T infrastructure at the point.

1334
02:01:14,620 --> 02:01:25,260
They're also obligated to put back up generators or at minimum eight hours plus generator plugs at all the sites.

1335
02:01:25,680 --> 02:01:31,100
All of the sites that are in the northwest for example have already been converted to first net.

1336
02:01:31,460 --> 02:01:36,140
And all of the sites that I'm aware of up here have already been converted with generators.

1337
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:40,720
So I don't know what their build-out plan is or their strategic plan is.

1338
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:50,240
but we're seeing this hardening of their network far more robust than ever before,

1339
02:01:50,780 --> 02:01:58,180
including backing up and numerous sites, not just fiber, but getting back into making

1340
02:01:58,180 --> 02:02:08,320
microwave back all, which is, again, it's their backup, their sites are pretty well hardened just

1341
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:17,100
for the first net users, I have experienced in the Tacoma area because Seattle Tacoma has

1342
02:02:17,100 --> 02:02:22,520
been experimenting with both first net and their own network and the statewide network.

1343
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:25,340
So they've been involved in it quite a bit.

1344
02:02:26,300 --> 02:02:33,360
There's various readings if you will from the fire personnel that varies.

1345
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:37,940
The one thing that's consistent is they all think it works great.

1346
02:02:38,420 --> 02:02:43,320
They don't like using any network when they're at an incident scene or a fire scene.

1347
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:47,540
And they all revert to a BHF or a UHF.

1348
02:02:47,540 --> 02:02:57,600
Simplex channel is their backup, which is advocated in all of our work with the fire departments across the country.

1349
02:02:57,600 --> 02:03:02,420
And what we're seeing from first net is that their radio configurations support that.

1350
02:03:02,420 --> 02:03:07,060
that, that piece of it, which we think is essential to the incident scenes.

1351
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:13,760
Right, and also, and you said that was the atleau that you see atle,

1352
02:03:14,060 --> 02:03:19,700
Seattle to call my house a separate network, Seattle to call Olympia, basically that

1353
02:03:19,700 --> 02:03:25,880
swath in there has a separate network of their own. They've been experimenting with first

1354
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:33,200
that and they also have a statewide network that is here that's run by the state patrol.

1355
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:39,320
They had been using a state patrol for some time switched over to their own virtual network.

1356
02:03:40,420 --> 02:03:45,100
And of course, first net and Verizon is supporting product.

1357
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:52,120
The uniqueness about going into this technology is that it's all IP consideration.

1358
02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:59,120
And so it's not generalized like you would normally find in a trunk system, which is fairly

1359
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:01,300
early old technology.

1360
02:04:02,500 --> 02:04:08,100
In their IP configurations that they've got can transport across almost any platform and

1361
02:04:08,100 --> 02:04:08,420
function.

1362
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:16,320
So if they get out of their range, they can transport into the statewide network or on their

1363
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:21,520
own virtual network or the first network, and I'm finding that to be the case in Michigan,

1364
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:28,140
where I'm doing some work up for another 911 County, where the statewide network doesn't

1365
02:04:28,140 --> 02:04:35,880
have the coverage that it needs for their own virtual towers, but by virtue of the IP

1366
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:41,100
transportability, they're going into the AT&T and the first net networks.

1367
02:04:43,080 --> 02:04:48,660
So, when you mentioned product as well, did they support the cost as AT&T provide the product

1368
02:04:48,660 --> 02:04:49,920
to the emergency services?

1369
02:04:51,340 --> 02:04:52,440
Or I need to be.

1370
02:04:52,440 --> 02:04:54,520
Well, you have to buy the product.

1371
02:04:54,860 --> 02:04:56,460
And the product is wide ranging.

1372
02:04:57,560 --> 02:04:59,900
The best product that they've got out there

1373
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:03,760
is Motorola wins hands down.

1374
02:05:03,940 --> 02:05:05,660
Every time we talk about a 911,

1375
02:05:07,860 --> 02:05:07,860
Motorola,

1376
02:05:08,020 --> 02:05:10,860
you know, peace, Ken would, you know,

1377
02:05:10,980 --> 02:05:14,020
two to one, and they also beat him two to one in price.

1378
02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:14,960
So they're more expensive.

1379
02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:16,560
But the product is exceptional.

1380
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:23,420
So the product would have to be purchased by the town or the user.

1381
02:05:23,700 --> 02:05:24,560
That's right.

1382
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:25,420
Okay.

1383
02:05:27,820 --> 02:05:34,500
So I guess the biggest concern and again, very open-minded as an emergency services, you know, the agencies in the town.

1384
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:39,700
Because obviously, you know, right now we run on a system provided by Westchester County, the Fire MS.

1385
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:42,000
We're running a system.

1386
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:56,780
and the county is expanding that system and in the process of an upgrade right now, our police department runs its own system right now in the town and that's an antiquated system that's being explored there's an option to go on the town system future.

1387
02:05:57,620 --> 02:06:10,140
But the biggest thing, the biggest concern would be obviously coverage at this point too is because the AT&T infrastructure in the town minus any upgrades would be, you know, of a concern at this point obviously purchasing the product.

1388
02:06:10,140 --> 02:06:39,020
We already have a lot of Motorola products that are, you know, all the products, majority of the product for the county for the new system is provided there is some expense for the end user, but again, you know, it's something to be something that we have to look into more obviously the biggest concerns, like I said to you up front, especially here would be power loss, you know, polls being, you know, the utility polls being torn down and a lack of AT&T infrastructure at this point, you know, we have predominantly, you know, Verizon service in town.

1389
02:06:39,020 --> 02:06:44,780
But, you know, it's something that could be looked at, I think there's, you know, there's always pros and cons to everything.

1390
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:45,600
Right.

1391
02:06:46,020 --> 02:06:53,560
I think you're right in reading that AT&T doesn't have enough infrastructure to fill in the holes.

1392
02:06:53,740 --> 02:06:57,020
The competing product with Verizon, I think, does.

1393
02:06:58,100 --> 02:07:04,150
When I analyze the UHF and the BHF portions of your network, what I found was,

1394
02:07:04,730 --> 02:07:10,610
not necessarily, you have a lot of outbound signal. You've got more signal than you really need,

1395
02:07:11,450 --> 02:07:17,550
or you don't need to duplicate a bunch of that everywhere that you go. And in most 911 networks,

1396
02:07:17,790 --> 02:07:22,610
they need voting receivers, which is what you've got at the top of the hill now, is just a voting

1397
02:07:22,610 --> 02:07:30,770
receiver. It works. It's not a pretty site. I could make that look like dress it up and you could take

1398
02:07:30,770 --> 02:07:31,290
to church.

1399
02:07:33,350 --> 02:07:39,050
So it's something that's usable, but really you only need voting receivers in a lot of

1400
02:07:39,050 --> 02:07:46,370
cases. And again, they don't need to be on megapoles. They can be on telephone poles or even on

1401
02:07:46,370 --> 02:07:54,370
top of, you know, the one building in town. And you find exceptional quality out of that.

1402
02:07:54,790 --> 02:07:58,010
Right. So just a kind of clear fine. I'm not, I mean, this is something we, obviously,

1403
02:07:58,010 --> 02:08:19,270
I think they'll be further discussion, you know, as is continued, but, you know, obviously, you know, we run two different systems now. So fire, EMS are on one system that's run, you know, through Westchester County, let's say trunk radio system and the police department runs an analog system of VHF analog system, EMS and fire also rely heavily now.

1404
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:49,250
And this is where there's an issue was Befford Village, where Befford Hills and Getown of Fire Department and Getown of Befford Hills EMS, utilized MDTs on Verizon. So obviously, that's part of our plan, our emergency operations, you know, the police department also uses MDTs. So there's a lot of holes in coverage and that's, you know, that's been part of our purpose and and function. So in addition to any of providing not only providing residents with access to 911, you know, 911, phone service to make calls and cell phones.

1405
02:08:49,270 --> 02:08:55,810
service but also making sure that the police and all the first responders have adequate cell

1406
02:08:55,810 --> 02:09:02,870
and data coverage in addition to improving the VHF system for the police department plus the fire

1407
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:09,090
department system. I guess. Well absolutely. So would you regard that for Eisen and the wireless

1408
02:09:09,090 --> 02:09:16,890
carriers are an essential part of the 911 system? I wouldn't say not I guess you refer to as 911

1409
02:09:16,890 --> 02:09:21,890
system, I guess, because we use 911 here is making that call as well, so I don't want to get that,

1410
02:09:21,890 --> 02:09:25,470
you know, I don't want to confuse that with anyone that might be less well.

1411
02:09:25,630 --> 02:09:25,830
Yeah.

1412
02:09:26,050 --> 02:09:29,630
Last one would be the actual call, but our emergency networks, yes, a part of it.

1413
02:09:29,650 --> 02:09:35,450
Yes, the police department uses it, the fire departments and EMS use data, you know, for

1414
02:09:35,450 --> 02:09:38,010
the mobile data terminals, you know, the MDTs and the vehicles.

1415
02:09:38,310 --> 02:09:44,170
So obviously, the emergency services has made that a priority to the town to obviously enhance

1416
02:09:44,170 --> 02:09:48,630
the cell coverage, you know, obviously the residents have wanted it from themselves, you know,

1417
02:09:48,650 --> 02:09:53,070
it's seen more like, you know, a lot of people with the pandemic are working home, you know,

1418
02:09:53,450 --> 02:09:57,530
using cell phones, a lot of people got rid of their home cell, their home phone service

1419
02:09:57,530 --> 02:10:02,950
to use cell phones. So that's, that's what we've come together and and looked at and obviously

1420
02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:07,910
our priority is, you know, our committee is working on not only the master plan for cellular,

1421
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:15,650
But obviously running parallel is infrastructure upgrades for emergency service.

1422
02:10:16,170 --> 02:10:16,790
Exactly.

1423
02:10:17,390 --> 02:10:26,750
So the point I was going to raise was that we ran the cellular including Verizon from

1424
02:10:26,750 --> 02:10:27,430
Guard Hill.

1425
02:10:27,910 --> 02:10:32,950
And I know that knee jerk reaction is you can't put cellular up on guard Hill because it's

1426
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:34,650
not emergency services.

1427
02:10:34,650 --> 02:10:46,890
But in all regards, it is emergency services, both inbound and outbound for the origination of an emergency call and also the support of an emergency call.

1428
02:10:48,150 --> 02:10:56,430
So, we ran it. We just want to open that up to say, you know, there's reason to believe that is a viable site.

1429
02:10:56,870 --> 02:11:03,170
And depending on how you get there, I know Eric shaking his head, but it's a viable site.

1430
02:11:04,640 --> 02:11:12,480
So you're a support 9-1-1, so you're actually suggesting that guard hill should have

1431
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:13,740
itself so.

1432
02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:14,960
Oh, absolutely.

1433
02:11:15,680 --> 02:11:22,260
When we ran that, that's an integral hole that's left open, that guard hill can satisfy

1434
02:11:22,860 --> 02:11:26,560
and you don't have to go crazy on the tower up there.

1435
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:29,260
I don't think they need to be anything but above the trees.

1436
02:11:32,330 --> 02:11:37,090
I think that I didn't expect the thing, what you're hearing is that we're working

1437
02:11:37,090 --> 02:11:42,850
recommending the use of whatever is the minimal intrusive or the minimum intrusive sites.

1438
02:11:43,710 --> 02:11:47,710
Looking at all options, because there are a lot of viable options in the end, Deirdreau,

1439
02:11:47,790 --> 02:11:53,630
what I've heard you even say, which I'm pleased to hear is, there are options for coverage

1440
02:11:53,630 --> 02:11:58,010
in town that may not be viable outside of town, and I think that goes right in line with what

1441
02:11:58,010 --> 02:12:02,570
we're talking about is, let's look at the different options, let's look at the coverage patterns,

1442
02:12:02,570 --> 02:12:07,830
instead of defaulting to a tower, let's default to what fits the code.

1443
02:12:08,150 --> 02:12:10,110
What is the least interest of option?

1444
02:12:10,330 --> 02:12:11,310
What provides the coverage?

1445
02:12:11,590 --> 02:12:12,650
What's safe for the residents?

1446
02:12:13,290 --> 02:12:15,290
What maintains the aesthetics of the community?

1447
02:12:15,850 --> 02:12:18,130
And I think there's an option there that can work.

1448
02:12:19,890 --> 02:12:23,450
I, and I'd like to continue to pursue it,

1449
02:12:23,450 --> 02:12:26,410
but I think we have to pursue two things together.

1450
02:12:30,190 --> 02:12:35,590
I'd like to get you talking to Verizon to see what their reaction is.

1451
02:12:35,690 --> 02:12:39,590
I'm not quite sure how to succeed in doing that.

1452
02:12:41,350 --> 02:12:42,350
I need some feedback.

1453
02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:48,730
I suppose maybe too many years in the staff have made me a cynic.

1454
02:12:49,730 --> 02:12:55,250
I don't want to lose some folks who think this is a good idea.

1455
02:12:55,250 --> 02:12:59,330
and there are clearly many who do coming forward and saying,

1456
02:12:59,510 --> 02:13:01,490
this is where we should put it.

1457
02:13:02,350 --> 02:13:05,850
This is okay with us. We'll support a site here.

1458
02:13:06,130 --> 02:13:09,010
You're kind of site, not the 12-hour site,

1459
02:13:10,250 --> 02:13:12,450
but what they're doing, what they're talking about.

1460
02:13:13,070 --> 02:13:15,210
I did want to make sure that people understood

1461
02:13:15,210 --> 02:13:18,510
that we're not talking about small self-technology,

1462
02:13:19,890 --> 02:13:25,170
that we're not talking about this politics and it's on top of a

1463
02:13:25,170 --> 02:13:35,870
Hawaii. I want to see some realistic pictures of what this would look like. If you,

1464
02:13:35,870 --> 02:13:43,490
if you had to bury the vault on the road, if it had to clear the trees with a sound in the pictures

1465
02:13:43,490 --> 02:13:49,110
that should flow the power's actions or below the tree line, maybe they'll work below the tree line,

1466
02:13:49,230 --> 02:13:53,250
but I do want to picture one below the tree line if that actually isn't what will work.

1467
02:13:54,030 --> 02:13:58,050
Because that's to be at, I'm going to be very honest with you, that's what we get from Verizon,

1468
02:13:59,030 --> 02:14:01,610
when they do a visual analysis.

1469
02:14:02,530 --> 02:14:07,410
It's why we tried to do our own visual analysis because what we get,

1470
02:14:07,430 --> 02:14:13,290
that is the target of those who would stand and stand in front of the tree

1471
02:14:13,290 --> 02:14:16,630
and take the picture of the balloons in front of the tree.

1472
02:14:16,630 --> 02:14:27,750
And that sort of thing, we've gotten pictures of designs of towers that don't mesh it all with what the reality is.

1473
02:14:29,230 --> 02:14:30,650
We don't want that.

1474
02:14:30,770 --> 02:14:36,150
We want to see what these will really look like.

1475
02:14:36,590 --> 02:14:46,470
And if they're because all of the kinds of sites you're suggesting, which are the practical ones to,

1476
02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:53,130
suggest they are all in the right of way. And unlike where you were able to put in your

1477
02:14:53,130 --> 02:14:59,970
powers, as you said really quickly, in the town of Bedford, every one of those towers is

1478
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,620
I'm going to require a permit. It's must we change laws and I don't think that people are going to want us to change the laws to not require a permit for cell towers anymore.

1479
02:15:11,720 --> 02:15:12,200
Agreed.

1480
02:15:13,320 --> 02:15:19,700
I mean, to be absolutely honest, it would take a load of quite a lot off of our backs because we wouldn't be involved in it anymore.

1481
02:15:22,200 --> 02:15:22,820
But

1482
02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:30,330
I want to see, I know why Indian Hill Park is not practical.

1483
02:15:31,690 --> 02:15:36,130
It's going to be very difficult to do something there, whether

1484
02:15:37,310 --> 02:15:42,950
and I'm only going to continue to support it if I continue to be convinced that it

1485
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:47,730
is the only reasonable alternative that's out there.

1486
02:15:47,730 --> 02:16:16,950
I'd like you to convince me that yours is a reasonable alternative, but I need more realistic drawings or examples, something that really fits here, and I need you to sell somebody in town, not just on the idea that it would look nice in the next neighborhood over, but that it's something that's acceptable in their neighborhood, assuming their neighborhood is,

1487
02:16:20,010 --> 02:16:24,210
a neighborhood that will provide good service.

1488
02:16:25,950 --> 02:16:29,170
We're absolutely open to working on some of these.

1489
02:16:29,170 --> 02:16:34,450
Some of these are a car before the worst type items, but I welcome the drive on your

1490
02:16:34,450 --> 02:16:38,770
end and I understand your concerns because you've heard so many different things from

1491
02:16:38,770 --> 02:16:39,510
different people.

1492
02:16:40,190 --> 02:16:44,710
We would absolutely love to talk to Verizon and that could kick off the next steps of

1493
02:16:44,710 --> 02:16:49,410
understanding where their coverage needs are and where a utility pole we need to be placed

1494
02:16:49,410 --> 02:16:53,690
to fit their needs. We have some good ideas but ultimately they're the ones that we need to

1495
02:16:53,690 --> 02:16:57,170
request that that if we get in touch with them and we're able to have some of these conversations

1496
02:16:57,170 --> 02:17:03,150
we could take steps on what you're asking for. If you can if you can talk them into that we also

1497
02:17:03,150 --> 02:17:14,690
have a problem called the shot clock which I'm sure you're familiar with since it's part of

1498
02:17:14,690 --> 02:17:22,790
We have to be able to talk about an alternative that we feel that is ultimately doable.

1499
02:17:23,590 --> 02:17:29,270
We don't have to have it settled by then, but it has to be something that the courts will accept as an alternative.

1500
02:17:30,310 --> 02:17:33,970
So we have made the legal criteria of being.

1501
02:17:34,770 --> 02:17:37,690
I'm trying to remember the exact words.

1502
02:17:40,930 --> 02:17:42,770
Eric, give me some help here.

1503
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:46,400
Eric is gone too.

1504
02:17:46,400 --> 02:17:48,880
I think he's muted right now.

1505
02:17:49,880 --> 02:17:52,820
So, we did just a quick question while Eric's getting unmuted.

1506
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:55,360
When the shot clock is in consideration,

1507
02:17:55,620 --> 02:17:58,100
generally that's only after an application has been filed.

1508
02:17:58,500 --> 02:18:01,880
Do we have one or multiple applications right now for the

1509
02:18:01,880 --> 02:18:02,740
towers and questions?

1510
02:18:03,420 --> 02:18:04,440
There are multiple applications.

1511
02:18:04,920 --> 02:18:05,600
You don't have to file.

1512
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:07,400
Nobody tells you that.

1513
02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:09,340
We've heard that.

1514
02:18:09,740 --> 02:18:12,200
There has been recently a agreement regarding,

1515
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:14,860
you know, I told him of the shot clock as the chair said

1516
02:18:14,860 --> 02:18:22,380
March 31st. If certainly Verizon could convince, could be convinced to extend it longer or could agree.

1517
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:28,840
That's understandable, but as we understand it right now, it's not something that has been made

1518
02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:34,380
an option right now. Okay, and is this for both sites the 91 Hickory and 68 Stone Hill?

1519
02:18:34,820 --> 02:18:42,100
Yes. Apparently, nobody's actually told you or some people simply don't believe. We have been talking

1520
02:18:42,100 --> 02:18:48,940
about this and studying it and looking at it as has a wireless midi since 2000 and 17.

1521
02:18:49,620 --> 02:18:53,280
17. Yes, we understood we understood it been going on. We were not

1522
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:58,460
we had heard conflicting information about the applications to add us. They can understand the

1523
02:18:58,460 --> 02:19:02,280
frustration when people assume that we've never seen a camouflage.

1524
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:20,280
And just that kind of thing, it's, and I know at one point I was told that as I talked about this cell tower, people felt that and probably still feel that I was tired of it.

1525
02:19:20,280 --> 02:19:28,380
They're right, I'm tired of it because I'm tired of hearing people tell me this thing over and over again and thinking it's new.

1526
02:19:28,980 --> 02:19:33,900
I'm not tired of looking for an option that will really work for the town of Bedford.

1527
02:19:34,660 --> 02:19:46,900
And if you think that it ends me that people in this part of Bedford Village think this is the best approach and are willing to get behind it even in their neighborhood.

1528
02:19:47,680 --> 02:19:53,960
And then that would go a long way towards my looking more seriously about it.

1529
02:19:53,960 --> 02:19:59,480
But I have seen, I have seen nothing that has convinced me of that just yet.

1530
02:20:00,420 --> 02:20:02,780
And, you know, it.

1531
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:07,280
So people believe that and feel that way about it,

1532
02:20:07,340 --> 02:20:13,800
even understanding the strength of the signals, which I realize the federal government says we're not supposed to look at.

1533
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:20,980
and consider, if they're willing to take the federal government's word for it, it's fine.

1534
02:20:22,820 --> 02:20:28,060
And not be bothered by it, if it's their house, but it's 100 feet, because that's

1535
02:20:28,060 --> 02:20:32,900
Deedra, if you could just, if you could just be so kind as to direct Verizon,

1536
02:20:35,240 --> 02:20:40,700
you know, we would be glad to talk to them and work through some stuff with them, but we don't

1537
02:20:40,700 --> 02:20:44,720
want to do it in the absence of your wireless board either.

1538
02:20:46,020 --> 02:20:49,660
In the 911 stuff, you know, I use that as a general term.

1539
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:55,140
I would be glad to work with anybody from that group, even if it's the county.

1540
02:20:55,860 --> 02:21:01,240
Yeah. That's fine to understand that those meetings are open meetings.

1541
02:21:02,100 --> 02:21:05,200
I'm not quite, I did notice you said you,

1542
02:21:05,300 --> 02:21:07,340
the open meetings should be closed meetings.

1543
02:21:07,340 --> 02:21:19,680
Well, I think we just need it, we need to get the ground pounding work out of the way so that we can go through designs and stuff and then come forward with the results as a public meeting.

1544
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:22,140
But you can do it as a public meeting.

1545
02:21:22,540 --> 02:21:26,380
Like this one, do it on Zoom so people can watch, but they can't complete it.

1546
02:21:26,480 --> 02:21:28,200
They can see what's done.

1547
02:21:28,700 --> 02:21:30,920
So it's done in the light of day.

1548
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:36,520
You don't have to, you can mute the microphones and still need the open meetings law.

1549
02:21:36,520 --> 02:21:37,440
Yeah, yeah.

1550
02:21:37,460 --> 02:21:37,560
Why?

1551
02:21:38,320 --> 02:21:40,140
Diane, did you want to say something?

1552
02:21:41,940 --> 02:21:43,220
Oh, you have to be unmuted.

1553
02:21:44,700 --> 02:21:44,720
Yeah.

1554
02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:46,540
Can you unmute Diane?

1555
02:21:56,370 --> 02:21:59,010
I'm not used to running meetings quite this large.

1556
02:21:59,470 --> 02:22:01,170
Is that work?

1557
02:22:02,210 --> 02:22:02,530
Okay.

1558
02:22:02,570 --> 02:22:07,530
And this is going back really and sort of echoing what Tom was saying.

1559
02:22:07,710 --> 02:22:17,390
But I think it's important that we've been asking Verizon from the beginning for what they

1560
02:22:17,390 --> 02:22:20,090
would like to do to aid in our planning.

1561
02:22:20,230 --> 02:22:23,890
And we are working really hard as a town

1562
02:22:23,890 --> 02:22:25,070
on the wireless committee.

1563
02:22:25,390 --> 02:22:30,200
And it was not, has told us repeatedly,

1564
02:22:30,700 --> 02:22:35,780
they are not bound to give us a long plan with the application.

1565
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:42,240
So when you add that to the issue of trying

1566
02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:45,980
to get 20 people would agree to have this next to their house,

1567
02:22:49,620 --> 02:23:00,700
But I don't know if I can succeed in convincing Verizon to talk to you, but I think Eric, is there any reason why we can't ask?

1568
02:23:01,140 --> 02:23:10,720
We can reach out to them and ask, but again, as you said, I don't think they can be forced to do what they have to agree.

1569
02:23:12,360 --> 02:23:18,560
Yeah, what is the term I was I was looking for when it's what the court case is talk about the best.

1570
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:20,880
These countries have all tried to look at the traditional alternative.

1571
02:23:21,560 --> 02:23:23,780
Well, at least in this alternative, I know well.

1572
02:23:24,020 --> 02:23:28,720
But we keep looking for the other one was the feasible technology.

1573
02:23:28,760 --> 02:23:30,640
We've all technology that we can ask.

1574
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:34,500
We can ask them to consider alternative technologies.

1575
02:23:34,520 --> 02:23:37,840
Originally they told us we couldn't ask them to consider that.

1576
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:41,920
were convinced that we can't ask them to consider alternative technologies as well as the

1577
02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:50,380
feasible. So, I think if you think that this was something feasible, they have to

1578
02:23:50,380 --> 02:23:58,900
do you think that you're in a position now where you're going to be forced, come March 1st

1579
02:23:58,900 --> 02:24:07,220
or whenever the date is, that you're going to have to approve the 68 Stone Hill or 91 or

1580
02:24:07,220 --> 02:24:11,980
We're going to have to make a decision by that. I don't know what decision we're going to make.

1581
02:24:13,540 --> 02:24:15,760
Okay. I have to have been no decisions made at this point.

1582
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:19,180
No, I get that, but you're up against the clock.

1583
02:24:19,500 --> 02:24:21,760
And it looks like you haven't got it.

1584
02:24:22,060 --> 02:24:25,000
Benford Park as an alternative either.

1585
02:24:25,720 --> 02:24:30,480
So you're almost into either either proving or disapproving.

1586
02:24:30,580 --> 02:24:32,220
I'm one or both of those sites.

1587
02:24:32,420 --> 02:24:34,740
I wouldn't say I would not say that at all.

1588
02:24:34,740 --> 02:24:35,800
And I'm great.

1589
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:39,300
Okay.

1590
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:42,980
Just, I do want to be clear about that.

1591
02:24:42,980 --> 02:24:45,540
I know people are going to be very unhappy to hear that.

1592
02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:50,140
Will we, will we be in a position to say something definitive?

1593
02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:51,360
I don't know.

1594
02:24:54,830 --> 02:24:56,510
And, and you're, can I just say one thing?

1595
02:24:57,030 --> 02:24:59,170
And this goes back to Brett something that you said earlier.

1596
02:24:59,590 --> 02:25:04,150
I want the public to know we did not default to a monopole in Indian Hill Park.

1597
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:17,310
We analyzed and derived data, in conjunction with our consultants, within the wireless facility working group and the data and the information said certain things to us in that group.

1598
02:25:17,790 --> 02:25:19,690
And that's where a lot of this comes from.

1599
02:25:20,110 --> 02:25:26,390
So again, I want to say to the record, we did not default to a monopole in Indian Hill Park.

1600
02:25:26,610 --> 02:25:28,430
And I think that's very very important.

1601
02:25:29,690 --> 02:25:31,150
Joe, did you want to say something?

1602
02:25:31,150 --> 02:25:44,670
I got caught off before. I know you had suggested guard hill. Our committee has looked at that, but there's a restrictive deed on that property that does not permit sell communication.

1603
02:25:45,910 --> 02:25:50,230
So the town in the as there's a restrictive deed from the owner of that property.

1604
02:25:51,070 --> 02:25:53,250
So I just want to clarify that with you.

1605
02:25:53,290 --> 02:26:00,650
Well, as I understand the restrictive deed was for emergency purposes, not restricting

1606
02:26:00,650 --> 02:26:02,050
cellular per se.

1607
02:26:02,210 --> 02:26:06,270
It expressly prohibits private providers from being on there.

1608
02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:12,180
And it's a Westchester county is involved with that as well.

1609
02:26:12,340 --> 02:26:17,940
And there are other reasons I can explain why that that site is not available for a private provider.

1610
02:26:17,940 --> 02:26:24,620
Okay, would it be okay to ask that you send a copy of the deed or your document?

1611
02:26:26,620 --> 02:26:28,120
Don't see that that would hurt.

1612
02:26:29,400 --> 02:26:34,720
I don't think it's going to be particularly popular for

1613
02:26:35,620 --> 02:26:43,380
in town to suggest scarred Hill, but if you would like to look at the deed or welcome to.

1614
02:26:43,700 --> 02:26:46,580
I don't see it. Am I speaking out of turn?

1615
02:26:47,560 --> 02:27:11,540
I mean, there are multiple emergency services providers up there. It's a Westchester county tower that is going up on there. They control the tower and the town doesn't have a lot of say about what goes on that tower to be honest with you on this far as providing you had a few, you know, so there are there are numerous issues that are involved with the guard hill site that really make it unavailable for a private provider.

1616
02:27:11,540 --> 02:27:20,720
And I understand that, you know, if works with the plan that's been presented tonight, but it is not an option, you know, for various reasons.

1617
02:27:24,920 --> 02:27:27,020
And that's not a, you know, sort of we're falling on.

1618
02:27:27,220 --> 02:27:33,900
It was simply one of those proposals that could be feasible should all the other pieces of line.

1619
02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:34,940
Mm-hmm.

1620
02:27:35,640 --> 02:27:35,980
Yeah.

1621
02:27:36,180 --> 02:27:38,360
I've thought about that once or twice, too.

1622
02:27:38,740 --> 02:27:41,620
Usually figured out that it's not really there.

1623
02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:47,720
I think there are a lot of other alternatives, so if we can get in touch with Verizon, I understand

1624
02:27:48,420 --> 02:27:54,020
there's a list of Verizon contractor on the Zoom meeting and she should be able to put us in contact

1625
02:27:54,020 --> 02:27:56,140
with the RF engineers at Verizon.

1626
02:27:56,280 --> 02:27:59,920
We may be able to make some headway on these things that you've been talking about.

1627
02:28:00,300 --> 02:28:04,860
Maybe you can really convince Verizon that this will be something that can be done quickly and

1628
02:28:05,360 --> 02:28:05,760
efficiently.

1629
02:28:06,260 --> 02:28:11,840
But what she says is true, it ought to be in there interested to do it as well.

1630
02:28:12,160 --> 02:28:19,780
So yeah, and I note on that front, I believe the town actually does have the ability to specify certain parameters around this.

1631
02:28:20,160 --> 02:28:25,040
So if the town were to say we require this type of a site or this type of an elevation,

1632
02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:29,960
there may be a little bit more wiggle room than was being used.

1633
02:28:30,480 --> 02:28:33,140
I know that you've looked at a lot of different pieces of this.

1634
02:28:33,140 --> 02:28:44,140
So, the next step for us would be to definitely sink up with Verizon and have a conversation and then we can come back and have further conversations on this.

1635
02:28:44,540 --> 02:29:02,040
But I think, you know, one of the reasons I mentioned doing this in a public forum is that if it just becomes another passing it around to another neighborhood kind of thing, it's going to be a problem.

1636
02:29:02,040 --> 02:29:14,540
So you have to, you have to figure on having people agree that this is something they are comfortable with in the areas that you end up suggesting.

1637
02:29:16,740 --> 02:29:17,440
Because absolutely.

1638
02:29:18,620 --> 02:29:20,280
You're going to find multiple.

1639
02:29:21,680 --> 02:29:23,360
One, I'm sorry, Diane.

1640
02:29:23,560 --> 02:29:31,160
But she's come rewriting what you were saying 20 million as opposed to one is how far to get people to a breeder.

1641
02:29:31,160 --> 02:29:38,120
And I am absolutely clear, it's never been discussed as a 24 to 1 ratio.

1642
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:40,360
Drop it.

1643
02:29:40,560 --> 02:29:40,720
Yeah.

1644
02:29:40,920 --> 02:29:42,880
It's not those are multiple tower sites.

1645
02:29:43,300 --> 02:29:47,760
So the one tower is not, that's the one starter because Verizon and the other wire

1646
02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:49,560
of the carriers will need more than one location.

1647
02:29:50,780 --> 02:29:53,740
Well, we actually, we're not sure about that.

1648
02:29:54,300 --> 02:29:59,360
If you're talking about some small, small cell things in that for village, yes.

1649
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,120
We can told that with the, with the, with the Indian Hill one, they will not need another macro tower.

1650
02:30:07,260 --> 02:30:10,580
Has that come from Verizon directly or did that come from an alternate source?

1651
02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:13,580
That, that's come from our, our consultants.

1652
02:30:13,960 --> 02:30:20,520
Okay, Verizon would need to be very clear and specify that in Verizon can't and wouldn't say that would never need another site.

1653
02:30:20,680 --> 02:30:22,740
We have not seen Verizon keep it into that in any turn.

1654
02:30:22,740 --> 02:30:32,780
Well, they, I mean, they're not going to say it about any any system, but if the point is, if we have a good argument to make for it, then

1655
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:41,360
they still have to prove that they have a gap that they cannot fill any, any other way than putting in a tower.

1656
02:30:41,620 --> 02:30:48,660
It looks to us from what we've seen that within the intel we will produce a situation in which that's the case.

1657
02:30:48,660 --> 02:30:54,360
I'm not sure that's entirely accurate unfortunately and I respectfully disagree but are

1658
02:30:54,360 --> 02:30:59,700
understand by the federal guidelines say that you are not allowed to require them to prove

1659
02:30:59,700 --> 02:31:04,380
a gap because a gap is not the only determining factor there is capacity there's proper

1660
02:31:04,380 --> 02:31:11,620
issues. So we're really quite aware of that and one of the reasons why we're talking about these

1661
02:31:11,620 --> 02:31:19,680
small cells for the town centers, which is where the capacity issues are likely to be greatest.

1662
02:31:23,320 --> 02:31:33,360
So, you know, I, I'm not quickly somewhere and I may have misunderstood what was being said in the chest, but somebody talked about what happens when the satellite cell service takes over.

1663
02:31:33,360 --> 02:31:43,220
We better make sure we've put a disassembling approval in every single permit that we allow,

1664
02:31:43,620 --> 02:31:48,220
because I would much rather see a satellite system doing it.

1665
02:31:49,400 --> 02:32:00,180
I don't think that we can suggest to rise in that they switch to satellites tomorrow in order to accommodate our needs.

1666
02:32:00,180 --> 02:32:05,740
I think that the right way I think that the tower system was it's done decision to make,

1667
02:32:05,900 --> 02:32:13,040
which probably shows how little I know, but I, if somebody wants to suggest building a satellite

1668
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:19,080
cell system in time to get us out of this, I'm more than welcome to the idea.

1669
02:32:19,720 --> 02:32:24,340
And we can all agree that you should put a decommissioning provision in the permits that something

1670
02:32:24,340 --> 02:32:26,300
it's absolute necessary.

1671
02:32:26,900 --> 02:32:31,200
Yeah, and it's something that we have.

1672
02:32:31,220 --> 02:32:33,400
Yeah, we're ready, I'm already house,

1673
02:32:33,400 --> 02:32:36,160
a satellite system up and operating,

1674
02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:37,900
and there is another one with lower

1675
02:32:37,900 --> 02:32:43,220
orbiting satellites that is in military use right now.

1676
02:32:43,260 --> 02:32:44,920
But I doubt if you're going to see

1677
02:32:44,920 --> 02:32:48,300
that as a replacement for the terrestrial base systems

1678
02:32:48,300 --> 02:32:50,120
in any time soon.

1679
02:32:50,620 --> 02:32:51,640
I thoroughly agree.

1680
02:32:51,700 --> 02:32:54,000
I was just mentioning that it was mentioned

1681
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:56,640
in the chat as something of an alternative?

1682
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:08,180
What we do see a great deal of is there's over about 800,000 sites that are going to be built

1683
02:33:08,180 --> 02:33:14,560
over the next five years and almost all of those are going to be in the realm of what we've

1684
02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:20,480
been suggesting, which is anywhere from 30 to 60 feet in height and put into the neighborhoods

1685
02:33:20,480 --> 02:33:24,700
that's in order to get what we call nomadic service.

1686
02:33:24,800 --> 02:33:28,800
Nomadic service is the use of the phones in your homes,

1687
02:33:28,840 --> 02:33:30,320
your residents, and your businesses,

1688
02:33:31,580 --> 02:33:33,700
and the roaming services, which are your highway

1689
02:33:33,700 --> 02:33:35,740
and your streets, and so on.

1690
02:33:36,380 --> 02:33:38,120
That's generally called roaming.

1691
02:33:38,580 --> 02:33:41,380
Almost all of the usage and requirements

1692
02:33:41,380 --> 02:33:45,020
that wireless carers you're seeing is nomadic services.

1693
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:50,480
I, the 300 pound guy on his couch, likes his nomadic service.

1694
02:33:51,340 --> 02:33:57,880
Now, I mean, we've often said to people who tell us that they don't want, you know,

1695
02:33:57,900 --> 02:34:00,000
they don't need the cell service.

1696
02:34:00,340 --> 02:34:01,940
They're just fine at home.

1697
02:34:02,400 --> 02:34:05,120
If we ask them, are you willing to throw out your cell phone?

1698
02:34:05,900 --> 02:34:06,980
You know, there's no.

1699
02:34:08,220 --> 02:34:10,180
And that's something else people have to realize.

1700
02:34:10,180 --> 02:34:19,860
But I have nothing in her. There's a certain look. And the home has, you can do Wi-Fi cell

1701
02:34:19,860 --> 02:34:26,160
calling. So, absolutely. You know, you don't need to

1702
02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:32,500
sell power for the home house. And the reason they have Wi-Fi calling is because the cell

1703
02:34:32,500 --> 02:34:39,420
services so bad in most homes nowadays. It's fine. It is not a necessity to supplement that.

1704
02:34:39,420 --> 02:34:50,760
Yeah, I personally I can't wait until the time when there is an alternative to cell phones.

1705
02:34:52,580 --> 02:35:03,460
And there is a part of me that has argued that we're busy building 20th century technology to serve a 20th century world.

1706
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:27,740
We're building our electrical system on the basis of 19th century technology because all those telephone poles that we've actually been trying to get rid of, by the way, by having them buried but now apparently that's going by the way, so we're putting all of our electrical systems on 19th century infrastructure and that's not working real well for us.

1707
02:35:27,740 --> 02:35:34,020
these days since storms are basically taking those poles down on a regular basis because they're

1708
02:35:34,020 --> 02:35:38,700
so weighted down with other kind of technology. But then so what I do like about your proposal

1709
02:35:38,700 --> 02:35:44,620
is at least you're not, we're talking about putting up new new poles, not dangling it from the

1710
02:35:44,620 --> 02:35:52,140
wooden poles that can. Right. And in Deeter out in our county, the column county public utility

1711
02:35:52,140 --> 02:35:59,960
industry has almost 100% changed out all of their polls from wood to fiberglass polls.

1712
02:36:01,100 --> 02:36:07,740
Just for that, just for that simple reason that wood polls, the age worse and clearly

1713
02:36:07,740 --> 02:36:16,160
look worse and are less, you know, applyable, if you will, they break, they break, they have

1714
02:36:16,160 --> 02:36:16,620
problems.

1715
02:36:17,360 --> 02:36:21,660
So we've changed over to the fiberglass polls, they look just like wood polls, they have

1716
02:36:21,660 --> 02:36:25,020
or we use them in it works.

1717
02:36:26,940 --> 02:36:27,940
But I agree with it.

1718
02:36:28,320 --> 02:36:29,840
The whole poll is a problem.

1719
02:36:30,180 --> 02:36:33,940
What we did find on one of the questions that I think was asked

1720
02:36:34,880 --> 02:36:37,960
was the fiber lines and stuff.

1721
02:36:38,460 --> 02:36:41,880
And we were successful at finding more than an abundance

1722
02:36:41,880 --> 02:36:46,960
of fiber along the routes and stuff that we were looking at.

1723
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:54,360
So we didn't find a lacking of connectivity to do back home. Our proposed plans.

1724
02:36:56,580 --> 02:37:02,900
Is there anything else that anyone has has to say or add to this? I

1725
02:37:05,300 --> 02:37:09,060
don't think so. Anything.

1726
02:37:10,200 --> 02:37:18,040
So what you would like us to do is at least talk to Verizon. I can't guarantee anything

1727
02:37:18,040 --> 02:37:26,040
because Verizon doesn't listen to us about a whole lot, but we can approach, approach them and ask them to

1728
02:37:27,260 --> 02:37:36,300
and you talk to you. I, Joe, are you comfortable having, we've been to some people talk to

1729
02:37:36,780 --> 02:37:41,280
the wireless committee, as long as it's in an open session.

1730
02:37:43,460 --> 02:37:49,300
It's okay. So, if you want to

1731
02:37:49,300 --> 02:37:54,760
meet myself and locked out here. Yeah, we'd absolutely love to have an open discussion and open

1732
02:37:54,760 --> 02:38:00,540
dialogue. Um, but again, I think it's very important that it, that the public be able to not

1733
02:38:00,540 --> 02:38:04,800
necessarily participate in the discussion because that will make it very difficult to get anything

1734
02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:13,620
done. I do understand that, but yes, Joe. Um, he's moving again. Yeah, Kim, you've got to unmute him again.

1735
02:38:13,960 --> 02:38:19,120
Doing well with the sign language though. Yeah. Kim's working on it. He's

1736
02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:25,800
muted. Thank you. Sorry. I keep getting muted. Absolutely. You know, you know, like I said to,

1737
02:38:25,800 --> 02:38:29,020
you know, our committees open minded, there's a lot of things that, you know, I wasn't

1738
02:38:29,020 --> 02:38:33,240
going to go into technical stuff tonight about the voter receivers and comparing in our infrastructure.

1739
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:37,360
So I think that, you know, we definitely welcome a conversation with you to, you know,

1740
02:38:37,520 --> 02:38:41,460
for you to understand our system and kind of talk to you about the ins and outs and and look at

1741
02:38:41,460 --> 02:38:46,400
the comparisons of first net. And, you know, like I said, we already have sites. We've had federal

1742
02:38:46,400 --> 02:38:51,400
engineering working with us because again, we have, you know, the goal of improving the police

1743
02:38:51,400 --> 02:38:56,460
department's site and making sure that they have, you know, in building coverage, there's

1744
02:38:56,460 --> 02:39:01,460
parts of the town right now that our police officers can not communicate on their two-way radio

1745
02:39:01,460 --> 02:39:06,940
back to headquarters to request backup. That's a problem. So, these are the things that we're trying

1746
02:39:06,940 --> 02:39:13,220
to fill these gaps. And that's, again, that police system is separate in a part from the system

1747
02:39:13,220 --> 02:39:18,120
for the first responders fire EMS, which is being built by the county.

1748
02:39:18,620 --> 02:39:23,880
So I think definitely an open dialogue, open discussion, we welcome it in all again, because

1749
02:39:23,880 --> 02:39:28,420
I think you'll understand a lot of the problems that maybe you need to this area with some

1750
02:39:28,420 --> 02:39:32,460
of the systems that you've used another part of the country that may not work here.

1751
02:39:32,800 --> 02:39:37,620
But again, our ultimate goal is protecting our first responders and making sure they can

1752
02:39:37,620 --> 02:39:44,560
to make that call to get additional resources to get back up, and that's a big thing. That's a big priority.

1753
02:39:44,820 --> 02:39:49,060
And this is separate in part from a resident picking up the phone and dialing 911.

1754
02:39:50,180 --> 02:39:51,320
I'm absolutely right.

1755
02:39:52,020 --> 02:39:57,260
If I made, if I made chime in, when we do talk, this is Kyle Carlton, I'm one of the commissioners over in Benford Village.

1756
02:39:58,100 --> 02:40:03,580
I would like to talk in detail with you about your discussions of hardening the systems and things of that nature.

1757
02:40:03,580 --> 02:40:06,600
because I know given up here in Bedford,

1758
02:40:06,820 --> 02:40:09,660
where we deal with power polls being snapped all the time

1759
02:40:09,660 --> 02:40:11,580
from either cars driving into them,

1760
02:40:11,580 --> 02:40:16,020
or more frequent and stronger storms uprooting them,

1761
02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:19,080
eight hours is not gonna be sufficient to sustain

1762
02:40:19,080 --> 02:40:22,160
the type of communications that we have come to rely upon.

1763
02:40:22,660 --> 02:40:23,740
So when we have that discussion,

1764
02:40:23,940 --> 02:40:25,560
I really would look forward to talking to you

1765
02:40:25,560 --> 02:40:26,740
about hardening those systems,

1766
02:40:26,880 --> 02:40:29,820
because as Joe just said, not only a resident,

1767
02:40:30,040 --> 02:40:32,160
where I represent the taxpayers, animal residents,

1768
02:40:32,160 --> 02:40:34,080
So I have my personal vested interest.

1769
02:40:34,480 --> 02:40:36,540
I'm also so hard to protect my first responders.

1770
02:40:36,780 --> 02:40:40,060
So I want to ensure that they have everything they need as well.

1771
02:40:40,960 --> 02:40:41,960
That's absolutely Kyle.

1772
02:40:42,880 --> 02:40:45,020
And I'm a two-way guy first and foremost,

1773
02:40:45,180 --> 02:40:46,560
because I love this stuff.

1774
02:40:47,460 --> 02:40:52,420
But I can tell you that I've got a broad range

1775
02:40:52,420 --> 02:40:56,500
of experience in keeping sites on the air.

1776
02:40:57,980 --> 02:41:00,420
All of my years with team mobile and AT&T,

1777
02:41:00,420 --> 02:41:12,720
I would say that in my portfolio I easily had 50,000 generators across my networks and that's, and that's, that's not bragging, that just is fact.

1778
02:41:13,820 --> 02:41:15,140
That's just a lot of generators.

1779
02:41:15,880 --> 02:41:26,160
And as we went through Katrina and the other places, I can tell you that easily 20% of the generators would fail on a regular basis even though they're maintained.

1780
02:41:26,160 --> 02:41:33,140
So they don't always start, and you have to go through that kind of problem for a while.

1781
02:41:33,660 --> 02:41:39,120
I'm an absolute believer that you need the hardened, and I just, again, a 911 facility.

1782
02:41:39,360 --> 02:41:43,280
You need the hardened it, and there's a metrics to use.

1783
02:41:43,460 --> 02:41:49,720
That's also, you know, in the fire code metrics, on hardening, but, you know, what do you need to harden,

1784
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:54,420
and or, you know, what don't you need to harden is more important.

1785
02:41:54,420 --> 02:42:15,840
I can speak to that. I'd be glad to help you guys out. My first priority is got to be with, you know, this group that we're working with and keeping them tempered to point where we're talking about the solutions that the wireless community can bring to solve this problem. And that's that's what I do best.

1786
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:38,620
Yeah. Well, I appreciate your help with it. I just want to make you understand it a bit from our perspective as well and the realities of what we have been dealing with since for the last couple of years that we we are seriously involved in trying to find a workable alternative.

1787
02:42:39,240 --> 02:42:48,620
In fact, so forgive me if I'm wrong about this, but I think the notion of a tower in Indian

1788
02:42:48,620 --> 02:42:52,680
Hill Park really started with the fact that that's not that you would originally felt

1789
02:42:52,680 --> 02:42:57,740
it was an ideal location for the radio tower for it.

1790
02:42:58,200 --> 02:43:01,980
Yes, the ready and existing tower there, and it's federal engineering did some mapping.

1791
02:43:01,980 --> 02:43:08,620
obviously as a part of our discussions and that's where this came from was obviously our plan

1792
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:15,220
like I said to you before was running parallel. Cellular was running one track, emergency communications

1793
02:43:15,220 --> 02:43:20,620
two-way was running on a separate track. But obviously it would make sense to co-locate

1794
02:43:22,400 --> 02:43:27,480
just a little bit easier when applicable and when possible to do that. So federal engineering did

1795
02:43:27,480 --> 02:43:30,200
mapping for us, a various sites throughout the town.

1796
02:43:30,460 --> 02:43:33,180
Indian Hill already has a voter receiver up there.

1797
02:43:33,240 --> 02:43:34,120
There's a voter receiver.

1798
02:43:34,280 --> 02:43:36,180
Obviously, that you had in, you know, like Katona.

1799
02:43:36,560 --> 02:43:38,180
There's a voter receiver in Mount Kisco.

1800
02:43:38,340 --> 02:43:41,080
And there is the main transmitter that is on guard hill.

1801
02:43:41,100 --> 02:43:43,280
And that's the, for the police department system.

1802
02:43:43,280 --> 02:43:46,460
We're not talking about the fire control, sorry,

1803
02:43:46,580 --> 02:43:47,920
Westchester County emergency system.

1804
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:51,040
So this is kind of how this discussion came up.

1805
02:43:51,140 --> 02:43:53,160
And there was, you know, questions.

1806
02:43:53,160 --> 02:43:58,820
And the planning board had asked what sites the emergency

1807
02:43:58,820 --> 02:44:01,800
you know, wireless is looking at for emergency radio communication.

1808
02:44:02,440 --> 02:44:05,360
And that's basically where the discussions came along.

1809
02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:08,940
Yeah. And Joseph, we even looked outside of the township borders

1810
02:44:09,720 --> 02:44:12,540
for other facilities that were very helpful.

1811
02:44:13,100 --> 02:44:18,380
So, you know, that are already built. And we did find, we did find three facilities,

1812
02:44:18,900 --> 02:44:24,560
at least three facilities that would add in and fix some of the coverage

1813
02:44:25,300 --> 02:44:30,180
polygons that we saw in the 450. Yeah, we have as well. So obviously the PDs

1814
02:44:30,180 --> 02:44:33,840
we have system we've looked at you know other sites because we can obviously

1815
02:44:33,840 --> 02:44:38,300
co-locate and work with that we have agreements with other towns to work together.

1816
02:44:38,480 --> 02:44:42,460
Westchester County has other towers are getting put up. You know we obviously looked

1817
02:44:42,460 --> 02:44:46,700
outside of the town because they're you know the way the size of our town and

1818
02:44:46,700 --> 02:44:51,160
orders. We, you know, that we board of the town of Louis Carl, the town of Pound Ridge,

1819
02:44:51,380 --> 02:44:56,220
the village of Mount Kisco. So we did look at that stuff. I mean, you know, we're not done,

1820
02:44:56,240 --> 02:44:59,500
you know, we're, you know, far from done, but this was initial again.

1821
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,120
We were trying to meet the goal of, you know, solidifying and fixing the police departments network,

1822
02:45:06,740 --> 02:45:11,340
while also making sure we have a townwide, you know, our goals have a townwide 400 frequency

1823
02:45:11,960 --> 02:45:17,940
for the whole town of Bedford, only separate in a park from Weshis to County's radio system. So that way,

1824
02:45:18,280 --> 02:45:25,920
every single town agency, police, fire, DPW, EMS could all be on one channel during a storm or other town

1825
02:45:31,010 --> 02:45:42,110
Okay, I think that we can probably bring you to a close at the moment with the understanding that we will.

1826
02:45:43,880 --> 02:45:51,720
Eric, I guess we have to talk about how to approach Verizon about this about at least asking them to talk to you.

1827
02:45:52,780 --> 02:45:58,300
I will say, I don't know if they will, but I hope they do,

1828
02:46:00,460 --> 02:46:21,240
to see if there's something from their point of view that they could accept looking into, but I think one thing that they probably would look for is some indication of an acceptance of this approach by someone who's impacted by it.

1829
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:26,560
In other words, a petition with hundreds of signatures on it for, again,

1830
02:46:26,900 --> 02:46:34,000
against something is powerful, but without a petition saying that they're for something else,

1831
02:46:34,180 --> 02:46:35,160
I don't know.

1832
02:46:37,790 --> 02:46:41,490
We need to find sites that are feasible.

1833
02:46:44,190 --> 02:46:52,330
So if anybody out there has a suggestion of a site that is feasible,

1834
02:46:52,330 --> 02:46:56,330
can even be a starting place for one of these smaller ones.

1835
02:46:58,890 --> 02:47:00,790
Watch what I, what I say because I

1836
02:47:00,790 --> 02:47:07,530
won't bet for village, are probably doable. The ones we're talking about, but the ones in

1837
02:47:07,530 --> 02:47:14,890
vector village aren't the ones that that are the problem for this. The playhouse site, I don't believe

1838
02:47:14,890 --> 02:47:20,270
anybody's soft to the playhouse people, but I think that, you know, from my perspective, that's an

1839
02:47:20,270 --> 02:47:28,010
sense idea. I think something smaller and more hidden behind the water

1840
02:47:28,010 --> 02:47:31,850
tower certainly something we're looking at. I just don't think it belongs

1841
02:47:32,870 --> 02:47:40,030
where it will go over sunny field farm but that's something we could test out

1842
02:47:40,030 --> 02:47:49,850
with a balloon test or something to see what the impact would be. But the problematic

1843
02:47:49,850 --> 02:47:56,190
sites are the ones out in the rural area where the smaller

1844
02:48:00,990 --> 02:48:04,770
types of, and 10 is maybe not fit

1845
02:48:04,770 --> 02:48:09,110
in quite as well because it's not an urban enough area.

1846
02:48:10,950 --> 02:48:15,130
But if we can find something like that, then we should look for it.

1847
02:48:15,410 --> 02:48:18,510
But we have a kind of constraint that people have given that.

1848
02:48:20,660 --> 02:48:25,840
And to clarify the time constraint is deciding whether the town would accept one of the

1849
02:48:26,500 --> 02:48:28,860
to current proposed hours, correct?

1850
02:48:29,900 --> 02:48:32,180
Okay, so it's kind of up and up or down situation,

1851
02:48:32,300 --> 02:48:34,360
yes or no situation that has to be made,

1852
02:48:34,400 --> 02:48:35,040
come march.

1853
02:48:36,060 --> 02:48:36,760
To make a decision.

1854
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:37,800
Correct.

1855
02:48:38,060 --> 02:48:39,540
To make a decision, not not.

1856
02:48:39,680 --> 02:48:42,340
I mean, we are free to make whatever decision

1857
02:48:43,120 --> 02:48:46,160
we'll be able that we can defend and court.

1858
02:48:50,000 --> 02:48:51,940
But we have to make a decision.

1859
02:48:56,450 --> 02:49:00,110
On that note, I think if no one has any objection

1860
02:49:00,110 --> 02:49:10,290
will end this part of the meeting. The one other thing I did want to address and the only

1861
02:49:10,290 --> 02:49:18,010
reason that I have kept it close to public input is that I don't think the people will

1862
02:49:18,010 --> 02:49:28,450
object to what I'm going to say about it. We do get a letter from the Indian Hill group talking,

1863
02:49:28,450 --> 02:49:35,110
I actually, I believe it was from, the letter was from the attorney for the, for the, for the,

1864
02:49:35,430 --> 02:49:39,630
for the, for the, friends of the, and he'll park, but I believe the report was actually from the Gunderson

1865
02:49:39,630 --> 02:49:46,790
Corporation about the balloon test we did, I'm going to say a front, it was at everything we hoped

1866
02:49:46,790 --> 02:49:55,330
it would be. And so, we believe we do, if, if we do go forward with the, with exploring the possibility

1867
02:49:55,330 --> 02:49:58,870
of Indian Hill, we will need to do another balloon test.

1868
02:50:02,530 --> 02:50:04,810
So that's the starting point.

1869
02:50:05,590 --> 02:50:13,770
There are a couple of things about the article that I'd like the report that I'd like to clarify.

1870
02:50:14,750 --> 02:50:17,530
So let me get my notes here.

1871
02:50:19,450 --> 02:50:25,730
The first point you made was the the photos provided by IHPC Shield of Williams

1872
02:50:25,730 --> 02:50:27,030
Tethered to be caught in the trees.

1873
02:50:27,130 --> 02:50:33,530
That was one of the problems in one of the reasons that I do think that we would be

1874
02:50:33,530 --> 02:50:39,970
wise to, I think, really require to review the test that wasn't that you,

1875
02:50:43,540 --> 02:50:45,660
however, it

1876
02:50:45,660 --> 02:50:56,360
It is true that the engineer did add 10 feet of, well, to it to try to make up, make up for

1877
02:50:56,360 --> 02:50:56,600
that.

1878
02:50:56,840 --> 02:51:01,500
That was a difficult way of doing it.

1879
02:51:01,520 --> 02:51:08,300
The comment was made in your letter that shortly thereafter, they took the 10 feet away.

1880
02:51:08,300 --> 02:51:15,220
I was one of the people who was doing the photography for the balloons and we

1881
02:51:15,800 --> 02:51:19,500
have before another comment. We were in fact in touch the attacks with each other.

1882
02:51:20,280 --> 02:51:25,160
I was told when the 10 feet was added and I was told when it was taken off. I had

1883
02:51:25,160 --> 02:51:30,940
actually finished taking all of my photos by the time the 10 feet was taken off.

1884
02:51:30,940 --> 02:51:38,200
It wasn't shortly. It was actually well over an hour later that the 10 feet came off.

1885
02:51:39,460 --> 02:51:48,540
Nonetheless, I think it still is a less than precise way of determining the proper height.

1886
02:51:49,480 --> 02:51:54,960
It was a serious attempt to give us honest measure as possible.

1887
02:51:56,120 --> 02:52:02,240
And I will say that what I heard, when we went around for this balloon test,

1888
02:52:02,240 --> 02:52:13,240
For myself and for the member of the town board that was with me doing the kind of places I did it, we were treated very cordially and I appreciated that.

1889
02:52:13,960 --> 02:52:23,120
I was very disturbed to hear the extent to which those who were doing the balloon test were treated with anything but courtesy.

1890
02:52:25,100 --> 02:52:38,620
The behavior of some of the neighbors was so poor that some of some of the neighbors actually thought that thought out some of the volunteers who were doing this later and apologize for the behavior of their friends.

1891
02:52:40,340 --> 02:52:49,620
This is, everybody who's doing this is a volunteer for the town, and I wish people would

1892
02:52:49,620 --> 02:52:50,960
at least recognize that.

1893
02:52:51,100 --> 02:52:56,470
You don't have to, well, I'm going to leave it at that.

1894
02:52:57,230 --> 02:53:01,810
The next item is that not a way of any communication between parties, control and the blue

1895
02:53:01,810 --> 02:53:04,910
test of what's photography, photographing the balloons.

1896
02:53:05,070 --> 02:53:05,950
We were in communication.

1897
02:53:07,410 --> 02:53:11,390
I assume everybody else got the message as I got the message when the balloon was

1898
02:53:11,390 --> 02:53:21,410
I just texted me and I was in the communication by text for most of the day I was told

1899
02:53:21,410 --> 02:53:27,290
when the 10 feet came down. That's the only personal assurance I can give but I don't believe

1900
02:53:27,290 --> 02:53:29,870
I was the only one who was told about it.

1901
02:53:32,520 --> 02:53:34,700
As it appears, the balloon chether was not accurately

1902
02:53:34,700 --> 02:53:40,740
pre-measured but was measured incrementally by hand while releasing the balloons. Actually,

1903
02:53:40,740 --> 02:53:47,620
what I'm told, and I believe this photographic evidence of this, what what I was told is

1904
02:53:47,620 --> 02:53:51,360
that it was pre-measured and that we have photographs of it light out in the parking lot

1905
02:53:51,360 --> 02:53:52,240
to measure.

1906
02:53:57,160 --> 02:54:01,960
It was measured when it was taken down. And if I'm right, Michael, Michael

1907
02:54:01,960 --> 02:54:08,360
Anthony, were you the one who actually measured it coming down with the together?

1908
02:54:15,320 --> 02:54:18,400
I was with Tom when we all measured it.

1909
02:54:18,780 --> 02:54:18,860
Yes.

1910
02:54:19,440 --> 02:54:19,580
Okay.

1911
02:54:19,700 --> 02:54:23,180
So it was measured coming down.

1912
02:54:24,520 --> 02:54:29,960
And then as the observer supported the supervisor and engineer increased the life.

1913
02:54:30,360 --> 02:54:33,640
And then shortly thereafter returned it.

1914
02:54:33,640 --> 02:54:36,800
It didn't seem like a very short period of time.

1915
02:54:37,280 --> 02:54:44,960
I managed to visit most of the places that on my list.

1916
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:49,760
The next one, the size of the blooms used was significantly smaller than the specifications

1917
02:54:49,760 --> 02:54:51,100
announced by the town.

1918
02:54:51,940 --> 02:54:57,860
This week, we really need to apologize for, there was a typo, there was never any intention

1919
02:54:57,860 --> 02:55:00,640
of doing it with a 15 foot below.

1920
02:55:02,500 --> 02:55:07,640
because we had been told, this was the first time we did the balloon test on our own.

1921
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:11,000
We can surprise and stand up before.

1922
02:55:11,180 --> 02:55:17,740
We had been told that a 15-foot balloon would not work for a balloon test.

1923
02:55:18,020 --> 02:55:23,520
You seem to indicate that it would have you ever used a 15-foot balloon for a balloon test.

1924
02:55:23,960 --> 02:55:27,760
We would tell the balloon would take it, but if it's possible, we would ask for that.

1925
02:55:27,760 --> 02:55:34,900
that first earlier one had been told that the balloon would simply float all over the sky at 15 feet.

1926
02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:42,880
Just to quickly answer that question, yes, it is possible. In fact, there are firms and there's one nearby to your

1927
02:55:42,880 --> 02:55:48,920
facility that could provide a professional test and they have a balloon of that size that they

1928
02:55:48,920 --> 02:55:53,420
would raise, they actually use a winch to get it up and down so that it provides that visual

1929
02:55:53,420 --> 02:55:58,580
representation, and then they follow it up with a photosimulation of the proposed

1930
02:55:58,580 --> 02:56:02,680
power overlaid on that. So you get a full representation of how that would

1931
02:56:02,680 --> 02:56:06,720
look. If you could give us the information about how to contact them, that would

1932
02:56:06,720 --> 02:56:12,280
be very, absolutely. You know, it's not the first time we've been given bad

1933
02:56:12,280 --> 02:56:14,720
information. I'm not, I'm not talking about your information. I'm talking about

1934
02:56:14,720 --> 02:56:19,180
the information that you can't use a 15th book alone. Understood. But we had never

1935
02:56:19,180 --> 02:56:24,360
intended to use a 15-foot balloon, that was a typo and all the other material that went on.

1936
02:56:24,540 --> 02:56:25,680
It was always a five-foot balloon.

1937
02:56:26,300 --> 02:56:28,040
Now, it didn't end up in five-foot balloon.

1938
02:56:28,240 --> 02:56:35,960
There, and that's also another reason why I think we do need to redo it, because of the

1939
02:56:35,960 --> 02:56:41,920
difficulty of getting the material in, and to some extent, because of the distraction created

1940
02:56:43,560 --> 02:56:49,160
by questions about whether they could enter the property properly and that kind of

1941
02:56:50,220 --> 02:57:00,220
They did not manage to, they, they couldn't get enough helium into the balloons to, to fill it, and so they were undersized.

1942
02:57:01,060 --> 02:57:03,580
I think it could probably about three feet.

1943
02:57:05,360 --> 02:57:08,760
And, and frankly, I don't think that was enough.

1944
02:57:09,160 --> 02:57:11,860
We didn't think it was enough when Verizon did it.

1945
02:57:11,860 --> 02:57:18,360
for the first ticker-related loan test.

1946
02:57:19,180 --> 02:57:24,560
But we've done multiple loan tests at almost every one of these sites, so I don't know why this one should be any different.

1947
02:57:24,780 --> 02:57:28,120
And I think I think it's incumbent on us to do another balloon test.

1948
02:57:30,220 --> 02:57:35,020
So I don't argue at all with the comments about it being less visible.

1949
02:57:36,460 --> 02:57:40,340
One of the reasons we didn't worry is much about that is because you're quite right.

1950
02:57:40,340 --> 02:57:45,180
the balloon test should be followed up with photo simulations of the tower, and so what's

1951
02:57:45,180 --> 02:57:48,860
really most important about it is that the balloon gives you the height of the tower,

1952
02:57:50,960 --> 02:57:58,040
which we all did see the balloon, but again it makes more sense to do a fresh test that

1953
02:57:58,040 --> 02:58:01,960
everybody is actually considering,

1954
02:58:04,430 --> 02:58:08,210
I see somebody saying why not sense, and we didn't catch

1955
02:58:08,210 --> 02:58:19,310
the typo until we got this letter, we didn't, when we first saw the notion that we had said

1956
02:58:19,310 --> 02:58:24,710
that it was 15 feet somewhere, we all said, what do you mean? We never meant 15 feet and then we

1957
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:29,090
looked back at the correspondence and saw that there was a typo we hadn't thought. All I can do

1958
02:58:29,090 --> 02:58:38,190
is apologize for that. I can't change it. Well, that's not all I can do. I can also say that we're

1959
02:58:41,790 --> 02:58:45,890
So, that's not far as I think that they're on.

1960
02:58:51,410 --> 02:58:51,930
I

1961
02:58:54,460 --> 02:58:58,420
think that's about all that we can do at this point.

1962
02:59:02,340 --> 02:59:09,100
Oh, I guess the one other thing is that if you have any other suggestions, if you're

1963
02:59:09,100 --> 02:59:13,720
consulting firm has other suggestions about the way to do the balloon

1964
02:59:13,720 --> 02:59:21,860
test. We would welcome. We don't know if they have to be reasonable. We can't spend half

1965
02:59:21,860 --> 02:59:30,120
the chance money on it, but within in reason. And the one other thing that people should

1966
02:59:30,120 --> 02:59:37,420
be aware of is that the Parks and Recreation is going to be wearing a footpath, just a

1967
02:59:38,560 --> 02:59:54,440
So that we can get into the park without going on private property, because there have been complaints about the town, including during the balloon test, the town having to go on private property because of the underbrush on our access.

1968
02:59:55,520 --> 02:59:59,980
So there will be some trimming done as minimalism.

1969
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,700
possible but having a path put up through what has always been intended to be the access route to the

1970
03:00:07,700 --> 03:00:18,760
part. So, you will see sometime in the next week or two that will happen. Now, we should

1971
03:00:18,760 --> 03:00:25,960
we still should discuss the the bulletin test results that we have and we will do that at a later

1972
03:00:25,960 --> 03:00:35,260
day, we didn't want to do both of them together. I understand that you have, in fact,

1973
03:00:35,500 --> 03:00:41,760
I've seen the presentation that the neighbors have put together, and I think it's legitimate

1974
03:00:41,760 --> 03:00:46,500
for you to show that. But we haven't finished putting ours together as well, and I think

1975
03:00:46,500 --> 03:00:52,460
it makes sense to do that all in one go-round. So we will be doing that, but we'll be doing

1976
03:00:52,460 --> 03:00:55,020
it when we're all fresh and not at the end of the movie.

1977
03:00:55,020 --> 03:00:59,860
That's fine. Brian did request that he could get unneeded again. He had a comment on the

1978
03:00:59,860 --> 03:01:01,840
balloon test. Sure.

1979
03:01:04,000 --> 03:01:07,100
Sorry, Kim. I'm not trying to drive carpal tunnel your way.

1980
03:01:15,280 --> 03:01:26,260
There we go. Okay. Sorry. So balloon tests are very difficult at best. And getting a large balloon

1981
03:01:26,260 --> 03:01:33,080
adds the extra poll. I disagree with whoever said that they catch wind. There is more

1982
03:01:33,080 --> 03:01:40,960
obviously there's more surface area for the wind, but the poll on the balloon chain itself

1983
03:01:40,960 --> 03:01:49,700
should be about 60 pounds or so, and then it can be fairly straight at that point. And the

1984
03:01:49,700 --> 03:01:56,660
critical element to me on a blue test is the exact spacing between the upper and the second

1985
03:01:56,660 --> 03:02:05,220
balloon so that we can use calipers and actually use that measurement as an exactness for

1986
03:02:05,220 --> 03:02:12,620
all of the other dimensions. And we use a picture of caliper caliper in order to gauge that.

1987
03:02:12,680 --> 03:02:18,500
But without that then you're just guessing at heights and other other measurements.

1988
03:02:20,120 --> 03:02:29,260
Okay well that's that actually is an excellent suggestion if you if you could get us the information

1989
03:02:29,260 --> 03:02:34,200
the the people you're recommending the work with and we'll look into that and

1990
03:02:35,100 --> 03:02:41,580
probably consult with you before we do something do a second go around with it.

1991
03:02:41,720 --> 03:02:43,860
Yeah if it's okay will you melt that over to you?

1992
03:02:44,120 --> 03:02:45,080
That would be great.

1993
03:02:47,240 --> 03:02:53,940
So, at this point, I think I'm going to say, bring this letter B, you mean two equals.

1994
03:02:54,500 --> 03:02:59,320
Jeff, is there anything else that we need to do tonight on this matter?

1995
03:03:01,120 --> 03:03:01,140
Okay.

1996
03:03:01,920 --> 03:03:02,460
Okay.

1997
03:03:03,160 --> 03:03:04,840
I appreciate everyone's coming.

1998
03:03:07,410 --> 03:03:10,750
I know you didn't hear what you wanted to hear.

1999
03:03:12,590 --> 03:03:16,490
We are still going to look into these things.

2000
03:03:17,630 --> 03:03:20,570
I guess maybe I was hoping too much for a magic bullet.

2001
03:03:20,730 --> 03:03:26,330
This isn't a magic bullet, but it still is something worth looking into.

2002
03:03:27,210 --> 03:03:35,130
And I ask you to take seriously the challenge I laid out, which is that part of finding

2003
03:03:35,130 --> 03:03:42,330
solutions is finding people who think the solutions really, who believe in the solutions

2004
03:03:42,330 --> 03:03:45,350
enough to be part of those solutions themselves.

2005
03:03:47,430 --> 03:03:56,250
And I will be very interested to see if that becomes a reality.

2006
03:03:58,630 --> 03:04:00,330
I look forward to the challenge.

2007
03:04:01,350 --> 03:04:07,670
But I want to remind everybody that it's not our job to find sites for Bedford.

2008
03:04:07,970 --> 03:04:10,170
It's not our obligation to do that.

2009
03:04:10,170 --> 03:04:13,770
Yeah, but we're willing to do what we can.

2010
03:04:15,010 --> 03:04:21,570
And I think you ought to let Susan Hoffman just give a couple of comments on her presentation.

2011
03:04:22,230 --> 03:04:28,030
Not necessarily to give the presentation, but she put a lot of effort into that, into that work.

2012
03:04:28,270 --> 03:04:32,930
And I know she did, and she's going to be given an opportunity to do the entire presentation.

2013
03:04:33,610 --> 03:04:46,850
But we made it clear quite early on that we were not going to do the actual discussion of the balloon test today.

2014
03:04:46,990 --> 03:04:48,850
We were told that that was perfectly acceptable.

2015
03:04:49,050 --> 03:04:56,870
And nobody said to tell this anything about Mrs. Hoffman's presentation until I believe it was late morning or early afternoon.

2016
03:05:01,570 --> 03:05:05,050
And we haven't had any time to put together hours.

2017
03:05:05,350 --> 03:05:10,070
It does not make sense to have two separate meetings on the presentation.

2018
03:05:10,770 --> 03:05:17,850
I assure Mrs. Hoffman that she will have the opportunity to present her work.

2019
03:05:17,930 --> 03:05:20,970
And I do appreciate the time she has spent on it.

2020
03:05:22,570 --> 03:05:24,030
But we're not going to do it tonight.

2021
03:05:24,030 --> 03:05:31,930
we're not going to change our policies at the last minute when we had what we thought was an agreement.

2022
03:05:33,810 --> 03:05:37,510
So thank you and I apologize Mrs. Hoffman,

2023
03:05:39,890 --> 03:05:43,270
but I think I promise you you will have the

2024
03:05:43,270 --> 03:05:48,970
opportunity to do it and probably to an audience that's more awake than this one probably is at the

2025
03:05:55,650 --> 03:06:02,830
The next item on our agenda then is to simply consider our next three meeting dates, I believe.

2026
03:06:04,330 --> 03:06:08,290
And if somebody can get the agenda out, you can tell me what they are.

2027
03:06:08,290 --> 03:06:16,130
The next date is February 8th, the 22nd of February and March 8th.

2028
03:06:17,710 --> 03:06:20,930
Okay, can you roll Mondays and we all discuss seven PM?

2029
03:06:22,370 --> 03:06:26,870
And that's okay with all of you Diane, does that they all work for you?

2030
03:06:28,310 --> 03:06:37,410
And Michael, you can get your seven on Monday, it works for me. I think that's the last thing on our agenda.

2031
03:06:39,610 --> 03:06:42,530
Um, could I have a motion to close the meeting?

2032
03:06:43,350 --> 03:06:43,970
Don't move.

2033
03:06:44,630 --> 03:06:45,410
Is there second?

2034
03:06:47,730 --> 03:06:48,290
Second.

2035
03:06:48,630 --> 03:06:49,730
Thank you.

2036
03:06:51,250 --> 03:06:52,650
Everybody in favor?

2037
03:06:53,850 --> 03:06:54,010
Hi.

2038
03:06:54,670 --> 03:06:54,730
Hi.

2039
03:06:55,790 --> 03:06:56,570
Anybody opposed?

2040
03:06:57,830 --> 03:06:59,330
The meeting is now closed.

2041
03:06:59,850 --> 03:07:00,910
Thank you all for coming.

2042
03:07:01,330 --> 03:07:05,130
I suspect we will all meet together again in the not to do decent future.

2043
03:07:07,350 --> 03:07:08,230
Take care.

2044
03:07:08,490 --> 03:07:09,430
Thank you.

2045
03:07:09,630 --> 03:07:10,350
Thank you.

2046
03:07:18,640 --> 03:07:22,000
Tonight everybody. Good night. Take care.