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and I'll turn things over to Mr. Ber.

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>> Yeah, of course I sent you guys a

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memorandum gee a long time ago kind of

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outlining what's before you. Uh what you

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have is a balanced budget proposal. U

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not a lot of changes in revenue

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structure. The one significant thing is

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the bole. We're looking to

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go up 5 cents. The current rate is 15

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cents per $100 of gross sales on

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businesses.

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Is it a million dollars currently? I

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can't remember. The change we're

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proposing is to raise it to 20 cents per

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100 on businesses with a gross sales of

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10 million.

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>> So right now it's 250,000 and up. It's a

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gross receipts tax up to 2 million and

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then a higher one at 10 million. So this

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just raises the 10 million.

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>> And we'll get into this again. This is

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your day to ask whatever questions, have

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conversations you want to. One thing

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I'll tell you is in the current year,

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what we've been doing with the B pole is

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kind of ramping that up to get back

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close to where we were at the time of

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reversion. Uh those revenues are

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performing very well in the current

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>> And we're projecting that if you adopted

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this increase, it would add another

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>> let's let's let's pin $750,000 in our

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head as we have all these discussions.

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we a lot of what we're doing is

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strategic to deal with that. We're

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making a little bit of progress but not

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much. That that 750 is still in

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operating here. We talked about that

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with the departments as well. But we do

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have a funded contingency.

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that contingency

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could be tied up with uh carryover

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costs, debt payments,

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and those sort of things. Now, the other

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thing I want to bring to your attention

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is one of the strategies deals with the

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transfer station. Getting out of the

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commercial solid waste service was the

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right decision financially and we're

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seeing the benefits of that already. In

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fact, one of the things in this budget

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is solid waste fund is making money and

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transferring the general fund. I don't

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know when that's happened

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>> ever. I don't think so.

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>> Okay. We still own a transfer station

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that we don't need. So, want to talk to

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you about that. We're negotiating with

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somebody about a potential franchise,

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but one way or the other, we probably

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just need to get out of that because

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we're subsidizing debt service. The

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other part of that is as county

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taxpayers, we have access to excellent

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services provided by the county that we

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are paying for. So that truly is a

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duplication of services and it's

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something that we are paying. So one of

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the things we want to talk to you about,

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it's not really reflected here because

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we don't know what the franchise is

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going to look like, but we would like to

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go ahead and plan to shut that down

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>> and get the savings for that. So that's

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not really included here in something we

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can talk about where we can chip away at

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that simple thing.

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all along anything that we're

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duplicating that possibly someone else

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can do better or the same uh at a same

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or less cost we need to talk about and

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that's one of them. Of course, there are

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some uh repercussions there also, but we

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need to look at pros and cons and figure

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out what is best for the town to move

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forward and long term, not just short

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term. Long term, the 750K is one of

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those things, but I like to think we

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have a plan to address that when that

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time comes. And u I'm I'm going to say

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leave it at that and uh leave it to

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staff to figure that one out, which I

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think you are.

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during the day as it comes up.

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>> Yeah. Yes. So any budget

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>> other thing just a few other things

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before you all get started. What

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whatever it is you want to do. Um

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>> electric's going to be its own

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discussion. We've restructured the

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budget to kind of isolate costs as much

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as possible electric to try to present a

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true cost of

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what our customers are paying and all

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the operations and all the percentages.

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the electric fund to the general fund,

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but we've included what we call payment

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in lie of taxes calculation.

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if the electric company were a private

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utility within our boundaries and we

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were able to tax them. We're estimating

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that we would see over $500,000 in tax

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revenue if they were separate. So that's

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this budget is built on that isolating

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those costs, restructuring the revenue

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flow because and we you can talk about

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this even if we were to get out of the

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electric business and that needs to if

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you're even going to consider that and

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that needs to be a very long

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wellthoughtout discussion.

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involve a massive restructuring of the

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entire town operation. So you're willing

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to go there today or start that

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conversation. I'm I'm

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interjecting here, but I would say on

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those lines,

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>> it's kind of like the comp plan. You

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need to look 5 10 years down the road to

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see where we want to be or what we want

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to continue doing. and and not that I

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would like to see that happen because

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this this electric electric department

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is longstanding and has proven itself

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how valuable it is but times change

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situations change and as we see rates

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and transmission costs change so that is

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one thing that I would welcome the

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discussion not that we are intending to

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do it but we do do need to probably look

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at that as as what I call a vision

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something that we could envision down

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think that we have to have the

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discussion on levels of service and

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other things as well.

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>> yeah, it won't go along with what you're

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>> Yeah. So I just got a few of things that I'm aware of and talking to

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some of you and talking to staff. Now

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within the electric fund

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or administrative process, we're talking

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about absorbing credit card fees which

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would come at a cost currently

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calculated about 250,000 and that is

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updated in here. Right.

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actually have $250,000

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practice. U different places do it

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different ways. Um that we did that in a

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meeting with one of our large utility

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customers that pays by credit card and

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they asked us to consider it. So we've

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included it for discussion. Um

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department budget and we'll speak to

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that. A lot of that relates to the fact

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that we do things differently in our

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hiring and management processes.

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level in terms of salary. In fact, we're

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probably out of market on that. However,

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if you come here and work, we do offer

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career ladders and we offer people

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opportunities to pursue different

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certifications and develop different

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skills which costs money. There's

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training involved. There's also risk

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involved. We can train them up and they

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can go elsewhere. But uh what we're

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finding in practice is we now when we

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have a vacancy at the officers level, we

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actually have a wait list of people

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wanting to come work for us. So, but

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we're paying for that. So, you know, we

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acknowledge that that is a a premium

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level of service that we're trying to

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provide the community, but it costs

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talk. We need to have all kinds of

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conversations about that.

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great. We'll just have to find a way to

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do it. And I don't want to get ahead of

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relatively minor things, but they have

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impact. We continue to talk about

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management of our property up by Stony

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Creek Reservoir and to pursue

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conservation of that property and ways

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that that could generate revenue. Now,

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that's a complicated discussion and the

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details of it are involve some legal

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things and some negotiations and would

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probably have to occur in close session.

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later, it's not that we're hiding

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anything. It's just when we go to

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negotiate on behalf of the public, our

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hands are already tied behind our back.

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>> And I hate to say it that way, but

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that's as blunt as I can be.

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conversations as well. Um, also kind of

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down in the weeds, some of the issues

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we've had with our electric utility of

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vault billing. We had an issue with our

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mailing service. We may have another

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current mailing service issue. So,

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we can talk about a change there, but it

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would involve more effort on the part of

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staff. In fact, one of the things we can

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talk about is buying a postage machine.

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And I'll tell you, I know how to run it,

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so I'll do it myself if I have to.

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>> Well, people can be trained. someone

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else can be trained to back you up.

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>> So, those are in addition to my memo I

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sent you way back when, those are things

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we've talked about. The staff has been

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great. We've had a committee review

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this. I feel like it's been a good

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process for them to understand how

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things work, too. But

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those those are the introductory

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comments I had. Basically, we're kind of

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at your disposal today. And my thought

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is you guys can talk this through and see where it leads.

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>> Where do y'all want to start in the

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beginning and move through it or how do

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y'all do you want to do it? You want to

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» I don't think we need to do line and

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line either. I thought we just

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>> Yeah, just

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all right. Where do you want? Where do

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y'all want to start?

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22 or positions or

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what say you Dave?

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>> I just had a I mean, first of all,

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thanks to the staff for putting this

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together. I mean, it's been it's been

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really helpful. And then just being able

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to ask questions. You provided enough,

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you know, enough lead time to for me at

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least to get questions asked and

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answered. And I appreciate y'all doing

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that. I just wanted to note that again

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it uh like in your financial piece on

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page 62 it does talk about the town

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having limited revenue resources

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dedicate dedicated to capital investment

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and that's that's been a concern of mine

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just I mean this is just kind of lead to

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lead up into a discussion later on but

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you know that we don't have really a

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funded capital improvement plan so

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anything we do would be uh debt service

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I'm sorry, Dan. And now I forgot to

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mention with the reservoir discussion,

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you also identified a list of potential

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properties that could be identified as

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surplus that could be marketed. I

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haven't forgotten about that and Mike

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did the title research. So, our thought

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was we get the bigger issue with the

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reservoir kind of squared away before we

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present that to you, but I can present

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that to you. The thought is if there are

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properties that could be surplus, we

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could sell them and dedicate that

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onetime revenue towards onetime capital.

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So, didn't mean to interrupt, but one

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app.

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>> Thank you. A quick note, in this year's

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budget, we do have $260,000

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of cash funding for capital.

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» We're looking at doing

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service.

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And then Barb mentioned the 750. We all

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know that coming up. I I there's one

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thing I wanted to ask a question on

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though on the on page 73 and about the pie chart.

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>> Yes.

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>> Um it shows operating at 60% personnel

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at 23%. And I appreciated the note on

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the next page, but if you take like you

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said the electrical fund out of that

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operating

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personnel and operating about 5050,

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>> it should be and actually personnel may

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jump up higher. It's just purchase power

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costs such a large number that on this

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chart it really drives the operating

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percentage

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>> because my point would be that I'm not

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about anything about personnel but I

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know again from previous experience that

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As healthcare costs and everything go

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up, the projection for personnel is

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going to be taking a large percentage of

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our budget. And so our percentage of

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operating cap capital will go down.

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Trying to lay the groundwork because

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I've got some issues about revenue that

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we need to talk about. So, okay, that's

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my introductory stuff, too. So, I'll

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shut up now.

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>> No, you won't.

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>> I won't. No, I won't. You know me too

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well. Keep on going.

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>> Okay.

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>> What else? Anybody else have spot seeds

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they want to plant?

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» Also neglect to me. It is another

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operation in the current year that we've

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seen great inflation and

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additional cost over what we budgeted. A

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lot of that relates to guidance from our

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insurance about our management of of

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security issues. the fact that well we

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can't really neglect those. It's one of

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those things where when we are over in

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one area of any budget fund we talk

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about this in our staff meetings we let

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the department as though we have to move

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some things around and Versa back in the

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fall identified some things we need to

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do to improve our cyber security. So we

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did it and we

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kind of talked to other departments

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about shoring that up to move forward.

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But information technology is another

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call center that's little problematic

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right now.

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>> I can understand it.

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>> It's always changing.

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>> I'm going to go ahead and disclose that

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since the proposed budget, we found the

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need to add another 15,000 in each fund

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for another service. Essentially, it

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would be an offsite backup that's based.

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So, if we were ever attacked, we've had

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a secondary server essentially to just

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prop it up and continue operating.

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I'm sorry I didn't neglect a big one

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that's hanging out there and that's

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collective bargaining legislation. Um

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the reason I dropped it is

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the governor

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did not sign the proposal by the general

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assembly to allow collective bargaining

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but looks like the general assembly sent

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it back to her and said give her the

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ultimatum of you have to veto it or sign

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it if she signs it. My understanding was

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her proposal was to kind of defer it for

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a couple of years, which would be

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helpful to us. If she signs it, we've

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got to prepare for that process.

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>> Well, and I wanted to follow up. That's

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not going to become that's not going to

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hit till FY28 or FY29 most likely as a

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personnel cost. I have to admit it's

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going to be a legal cost in FY28.

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And so you got because frankly just

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negotiating collective bargaining

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agreements against monster labor lawyers

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is difficult. Uh but that's something that's coming. And so

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when you think ahead about the five-year

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swing of how things go, we don't know

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that people will unionize because

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um frankly your employees are happy and

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happy employees tend to either not to

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unionize or if they do unionize it tends

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to be a smooth, relatively easy and

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reasonable CBA negotiation, but you

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don't know that for sure. Um the other

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thing is that large construction

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contracts are going to be subject to

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some prevailing wage provisions.

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So we can expect the cost of

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construction probably to go up a little

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bit. Given the cost of construction over

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the last two or three well really since

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the beginning of co 21 maybe 2021

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construction contractors have been

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paying prevailing wage for the most part

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for this region anyway. But we don't

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know what wages are again going to do

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over the next 5year period. And so as

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you think about construction, you might

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see it go up over the next five years to

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be having to deal with prevailing wage

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>> as well uh against other things. And the

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reason why I mentioned that is is

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uh we had I had another client who had

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English construction do some

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construction for them and for federal

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grant reasons they needed to have

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compliance with um prevailing wage and

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that came into the deal pretty late in

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the contract and it had almost no impact

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on the costs because English was already

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paying its people essentially prevailing

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wage. But again, you don't know that

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that's going to continue to be the case

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over the next five years.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And I Mike, you said it very nicely.

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There's there's can be a very negotiable

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good side there and also a very rough

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side. I I appalach where I work was

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union. So I dealt with that my entire

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career. So I've been in on union

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grievances, uh, negotiations and all

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that. So, some for the most part went

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very smoothly and a lot of back and

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forth, but there can be some that can be

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rough. But, uh,

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>> let me note, we're not flying completely

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blind on this. Mr. Wagner actually in

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his prior career had direct involvement

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in a union situation.

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>> Yeah.

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>> With my HR certification and my

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education, I've been trained. I know

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what the process is. And I've had family

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members who were in the mine workers

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union. So process-wise, we

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know what to expect, but the outcomes of

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the process are

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>> Can I just add that the IBW is already

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here, so they're they're already

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lurking. Let me put it that way.

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>> We we're the missing piece,

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>> right?

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>> Yeah, I know that that has been said in

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years back,

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>> but but you're right. That's something

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we've got to talk about and take

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seriously because it's on the horizon,

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you know.

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>> Yeah. Next year's budget's going to be

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complicated already, just FYI.

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What else?

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I'm going to have my little piece here

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through each department. I'm going to

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come from a different perspective, okay?

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I'm going to in my own way challenge

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each department head, okay? So, I don't

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want anything to be taken personal, but

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when I started out here, and this is the

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way I I think and the way I view things.

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I look at on page uh 37, the town

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manager. Okay? And each department had a

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department mission, mission, and the

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department vision,

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which is good.

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You have the mission, but then you have

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the vision. So the vision is a separate

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thing. Sometimes they get blurred, but a

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vision is something that should have a

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measurement tool involved. You ought to

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be able to measure that in some capacity

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to say, "Okay, I can get this done in

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two months, 3 months, 6 months, or long

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term." It's kind of very similar to comp

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plan where the comp plan has things laid

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out to where they're going to be done in

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this amount of time or two years, three

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years, four years, whatever.

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And and

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I know from my experience, I had goals I

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had from year to year, budget to budget,

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review to review that I was expected to

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get done or have a very good reason why

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it wasn't done and monthto monthth also.

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But what I'm saying is is in my view the department mission and of course I

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think in ways of cars and engines the

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mission is the engine in the vehicle

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that runs it. The vision is the road

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map. That's where you want to be or

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where you want to go. But also needs a

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driver to get it there. The car's just

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not going to go by itself. So the

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department heads and town manager, you

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all are the drivers of this vision as to

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where you want to go, what you want to

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get done in your department. So as we go

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through all this, I'm going to probably

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point out some things. Um, and and I

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look at the town manager again, page 37,

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goals and objectives,

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page 38, measurement tools right there

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as to how he's going to measure this. So

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I'm coming from that angle in this uh

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discussion or this budget session

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because

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I'm a resultoriented person. I'll just

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you've heard me say that and I think the

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general public expects results. So we

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have got to show results. A lot of

543
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departments do but there are things that

544
00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:47,440
stand out and we have to come up with a

545
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,080
way to get these done. And by putting

546
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,400
something on paper is great, but you got

547
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,320
to have measurement tools to get it

548
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,440
done. Like if I say to to to Ann, okay,

549
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,280
in three months, could you come back to

550
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,520
council and give an update on what

551
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,280
you've done? Sure. Or or or tell us why

552
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,000
you couldn't do it or just let Bart know

553
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,760
you're not ready, whatever. But it's

554
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,320
called in simple terms accountability.

555
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,679
You all are the leaders of this town.

556
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:22,400
Leadership is what it's about. So,

557
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,880
you've got to take that on. Take it by

558
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,280
the the horns, whatever you want to call

559
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,240
it, and move it forward. Make it happen.

560
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:45,350
So I I'm leaving you all with this aud

561
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,360
saying what have you done for me lately?

562
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:51,600
So again when I look at page 38 the the

563
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,720
town manager has put out a way as he's

564
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,799
what he's going to do how he's going to

565
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,679
measure it and what is expected of him.

566
00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:01,120
Now, some things you're going to

567
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:03,200
achieve, some things you're not, but you

568
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,600
ought to be able to say why it was not.

569
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,840
Like in electric

570
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,520
department case, a lot of times it's

571
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,240
weather related. But each department

572
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,440
should have goals, objectives, and

573
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,679
measurement tools, a way to measure it

574
00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:20,880
because that's what the citizens see.

575
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,520
That's what they either like or complain

576
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,640
about. I'm not seeing anything done like

577
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,320
electric rates. Well, we know how that

578
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,400
goes. But we're doing the best we can on

579
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,640
that. So, we just get beat up and go on.

580
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:40,080
We're used to it. But, nonetheless, I'm planting that seed. So, as we go

581
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,320
through different departments, I'm

582
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,679
probably going to discuss that in more

583
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:45,440
detail.

584
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,360
So, that's my little spiel.

585
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,120
>> And I agree with you 100%. We need to

586
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,039
have measurable goals so they know

587
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:52,240
somebody knows where they're going

588
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,240
because if we don't have goals,

589
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,520
>> there you can't measure them.

590
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,799
>> That's right. you know,

591
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:58,000
>> you you're going to go down the wrong

592
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,919
end dead end road. You don't know where

593
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:00,799
you're going.

594
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:01,679
>> Yeah.

595
00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:04,400
>> It'd be like um you know, the electric

596
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,000
department saying keeping all of our

597
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,600
customers happy. You really can't

598
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,799
measure that. So, that would be

599
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:12,640
>> that we have to have something, you

600
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,480
know, that we can measure that we can

601
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,000
keep track of.

602
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,679
>> Can we can we measure that by how many

603
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:18,960
people come to the meetings and

604
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,360
complain?

605
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,960
>> Nobody shows up, everybody's happy,

606
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,279
right? or or or the number of complaints

607
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,120
compared to the total number of

608
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:27,919
customers.

609
00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:28,960
>> Well, that would be Yeah, you can

610
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,320
measure it that way. You can measure

611
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,240
measurable way. I mean, it's probably

612
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:32,960
very

613
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,559
>> Yeah. And the way you'd write that goal

614
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,799
is decrease complaints by a certain

615
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,159
percentage or something like that.

616
00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:40,240
>> And and you're spot on, Todd. And that

617
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,320
that's what I'm getting at. Those are

618
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,880
the things you work on to improve on.

619
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,120
Those are your goals that okay, once you

620
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,799
reach that, what's your next goal? You

621
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,440
keep on challenging yourself in your own

622
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,159
way.

623
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:56,799
>> So, that appreciate you saying that.

624
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:58,880
>> No, I I I really like what you said. I

625
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,159
think that's a great, you know,

626
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:02,320
>> Yeah. And it's it's in different things,

627
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,000
different departments, so it's going to

628
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,080
vary. But you all can talk amongst

629
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,559
yourselves and get ideas. Don't don't go

630
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,480
it alone. Don't ever go anything alone.

631
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,640
When you're stumped, call for help.

632
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:20,870
>> All right. What else?

633
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,159
» What yall want to say? Well, do you I

634
00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:23,279
was going to say, do you want to start

635
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:24,559
going through what you were just talking

636
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:26,080
about? I mean, you're you're you've got

637
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,240
us at that section with the goals and

638
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,279
starting now.

639
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,640
>> Start there, page 37. Bart, uh,

640
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,480
>> tell us what's on your mind.

641
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,559
>> Mainly what we've been trying to do is

642
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:40,400
to be more transparent, more proactive,

643
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,039
and engage people, which sometimes leads

644
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:44,880
people to show up and yell at you guys,

645
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,000
but we we intend to continue that

646
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,679
effort. Um,

647
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:51,279
>> yeah.

648
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,760
From my perspective as manager, we

649
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,440
really want the citizens to fully

650
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,840
understand what they're paying for.

651
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,760
>> So to the point about satisfaction,

652
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,120
we know when people are upset, they show

653
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,760
up and they tell us for sure.

654
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,000
>> Rarely, it it has happened recently, but

655
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,760
not sometimes people will stop by the

656
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,559
offices and offer compliments, but the

657
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,240
vast majority of citizens we never hear

658
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,799
from at all. So that's we don't want to

659
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:17,679
assume things.

660
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,520
>> Yeah. Uh the assumption might be that

661
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,520
everybody's satisfied. Don't not going

662
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,720
to do that because we don't know.

663
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,760
>> Yeah. Get that word out of your

664
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,320
vocabulary.

665
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,600
>> You know, following up on my discussions

666
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,440
with you guys personally trying to do

667
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,679
what we can to improve communications

668
00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:30,880
and coordination.

669
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,880
>> Yeah.

670
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,559
And and I totally agree and I

671
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:36,640
think all in all you all do a great job

672
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,559
in dealing with the public, the positive

673
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,960
and negative. But how how can that be

674
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,600
measured?

675
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,000
How do you measure those goals?

676
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,799
Well, again, we have our efforts pretty

677
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,400
well quantified here.

678
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,720
>> Uh, guess I'll tell you, I'm going to

679
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,159
rely on Woody to help me with some of

680
00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:55,520
the data, and he does do that. He lets

681
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,880
me know some of the responses and

682
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,159
feedback.

683
00:27:58,159 --> 00:27:58,799
>> Okay.

684
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:00,720
>> Um,

685
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,559
we can note the number of complaints

686
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,520
versus number of

687
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,159
>> Well, and

688
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:07,679
>> well, I I would think you would do that

689
00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:09,600
per department would look at that,

690
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:09,919
correct?

691
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:11,120
>> Is the way I would look at it.

692
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,600
>> And again, we'll get to this, too. Yeah,

693
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,360
>> I'm certainly prepared to talk about

694
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,039
measures for each department. Yeah,

695
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,120
>> I know we'll get to it, but electric

696
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,200
>> one of the values of our electric

697
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,880
department is our response and

698
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,799
restoration time. Now, I think we need

699
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,039
to start measuring that if we can, but

700
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,679
I'm positive that

701
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:32,000
we are much quicker at restoring power

702
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,840
outages than anybody around

703
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,840
>> and we and and that's a focus. So,

704
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,080
>> yeah, I'm not going to deny. So anyway,

705
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,520
I'm jumping ahead a little bit, but

706
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,720
those kind of metrics are

707
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,200
>> Yeah, that's

708
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,279
>> yeah, there is and we'll get to that.

709
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:46,240
But yeah, I mean I I think of course we

710
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,320
had a meeting with you and gave you a

711
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,240
few marching orders, but at the same

712
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,000
time there there are a number of things

713
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,559
we we're to me we're always looking for

714
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,120
ways to improve, how can we do things

715
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,240
better, differently? And and some people

716
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,320
don't like this word change. We've got

717
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:08,399
to change to continue to improve. It's it you got to do it. Sorry.

718
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:11,279
>> That's one thing I to change is

719
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,399
happening. Um I didn't do a

720
00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:17,279
presentation, but our demographics

721
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,279
are radically changing. A lot of that's

722
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,279
due to the phase 2 annexation, frankly.

723
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,679
But Census Bureau just published updated

724
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:26,080
figures that reflect our new boundaries

725
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,600
and we're quite a bit more affluent than

726
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,440
we were. Um, in terms of straight up

727
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,000
numbers, you know, we've got over 800

728
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,279
units of housing that have been approved

729
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,440
and are coming out of the ground.

730
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,640
Poverty rate decreased from 20% to 10%.

731
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,799
>> Yeah. Look at page 11. We got the

732
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:44,480
updated figures on there.

733
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,120
>> Yeah. So,

734
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,440
I guess following up on your points

735
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,200
change is here. I know it is.

736
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,200
>> It's really not a matter of what we

737
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,279
Well, we can we can feel about that any

738
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,039
way we want to, but it's here and we

739
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,880
probably

740
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,960
I'm sorry. We do need to change the way

741
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,600
we're doing things in our operations to

742
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,080
reflect

743
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,919
>> that. That's my whole point. Yes. Thank

744
00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:06,799
you for saying that.

745
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:07,520
>> Sorry.

746
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,200
>> That's what I was trying to

747
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,520
get to. And that what the way we're

748
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,840
doing things may not always be the way

749
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,240
we continue to do things. So, you've got

750
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,080
to think out of the box at times and

751
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,679
look at what else is out there.

752
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:25,039
Technology, whatever we can tap into

753
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,240
there. And yes, it will come at a cost,

754
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,240
but uh it's it's out there.

755
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,600
Thank you.

756
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,000
>> I'm making myself a on my section, you

757
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,640
know, response tracking and some

758
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,960
quantification, further quantification.

759
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,919
What what kind of feed we're trying to

760
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:45,520
initiate reaching out, but we need to

761
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,200
quantify what we're hearing back and

762
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,279
report that to you. Well, and and one

763
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,120
thing we've heard a lot about all of us

764
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,080
have is that the communication process.

765
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,960
I mean, and I I know it's some people

766
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,760
just don't they want to be told

767
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,559
everything face to face, but there's a

768
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,559
lot of things we put out there like

769
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,840
Woody uh the the online things. It's

770
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,600
information out there if they want to

771
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,200
understand it, but some people just

772
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,360
don't want to go online and and read it.

773
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,880
So I think we we're doing what we can

774
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,960
outside of outside of mailing some

775
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,880
monthly letter which would be costly.

776
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,640
Okay, here's what we're doing which

777
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,679
>> of course the other thing you already

778
00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:26,159
know is often times we have to tell

779
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:27,360
people things that they do not want to

780
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:27,679
hear.

781
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:29,279
>> And then that's all part of it.

782
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,000
>> That is all part of it. And and I I I

783
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,080
speak for myself. I think the rest of us

784
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,159
we're we're ready to take that heat if

785
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:38,000
we're being upfront, honest, and

786
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,840
transparent. But we always refer back to

787
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,720
the code and

788
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,360
>> that's right

789
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,559
>> objective reasons for that.

790
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,399
>> I I don't mind that a bit when when

791
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:46,000
we're doing

792
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,559
>> what's right. That's the key.

793
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,200
>> Well, okay. That was pretty interesting.

794
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
What else you got? Anything else?

795
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200
>> Uh again, I'm sorry I kind of

796
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,720
interrupted you guys.

797
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,279
>> That's all right. Now, we'll we'll get

798
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,039
to the meat of it, but if y'all want to

799
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,799
just go through that's page 39, finance

800
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,880
treasures department, treasur's office,

801
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,039
excuse me.

802
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:12,960
Now, Ann's submission there and her

803
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,240
vision and again her goals, objectives,

804
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,320
performance measures. So, what say you

805
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,600
an

806
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,840
>> well and part of the our vision and

807
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,000
mission? I had a staff meeting with my

808
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,840
staff last year and we kind of all

809
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,240
developed this together. This is where

810
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,960
all of the department saw or envision

811
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,559
where we want to be in the future and

812
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,559
kind of our short-term mission.

813
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,279
>> And um same thing on some of our

814
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:40,640
performance measures and where we want

815
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,919
to be. We really want to be more

816
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:44,240
efficient because things are getting

817
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,600
harder. There's more accounting

818
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,360
standards coming down the pike. It's

819
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,279
getting more complicated and we're not

820
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:50,960
getting more staffing. So, we're trying

821
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,919
to be more efficient with what we have.

822
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:58,960
We're also trying to help with basically

823
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,039
collection rates. The more we can

824
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:02,720
collect, the less we have to write off,

825
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,320
the more efficient. So, we've done a lot

826
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,960
of focus in the recent years. I know we

827
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,039
um our deputy treasurer just got her

828
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,039
designation as a master governmental

829
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:12,399
deputy treasurer.

830
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:14,399
>> And then we're sending other staff to

831
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:17,200
different um classes like delinquent

832
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,279
collections and bankruptcy. So, we're

833
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:21,039
working really hard to train staff on

834
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,360
how to collect and how to do it

835
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,559
appropriately and with empathy.

836
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,480
And then the audit, as I said earlier,

837
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,320
is taking more and more time as more

838
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,600
standards come down. So, we're doing

839
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,679
everything we can to keep it on time and

840
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:36,000
out with the public with pretty limited

841
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,399
number of staff. The audit, the audit is

842
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:40,080
mostly done by the assistant finance

843
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,000
director and myself. So, it's about two

844
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,840
accountants really working through most

845
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,399
of the audit. Mhm.

846
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:47,679
>> But we have a lot of performance

847
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,000
measures here that focus on the town's

848
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,880
comp plan. And so we've focused on

849
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,360
financial stability and health through

850
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,799
these performance measures and how we

851
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:59,519
can assist the town with seeing are we

852
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,039
meeting that metric.

853
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,640
>> Right. So So number two on there doesn't

854
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,240
look like it's in good shape, the

855
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,919
electric fund.

856
00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:09,440
>> Yeah. I mean, we're going down in

857
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,320
reserves. We're still at 91 days. Cash

858
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,320
on hand is our target for fiscal year

859
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,040
27. Industry standard is 90. So you're

860
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,000
right on target.

861
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,480
>> Yeah. So if we go below that then we're

862
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,879
in Yeah.

863
00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:23,679
>> trouble.

864
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,839
>> And then the debt service was the other

865
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:28,560
one. So will that go up if if we approve

866
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,240
this budget that's going to increase. Do

867
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,240
you know what it's going to be?

868
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:34,159
>> It's not going to be the 5% that we've

869
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,599
had in the past. I think it's going to

870
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,280
be closer to about 2 or 3%.

871
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,919
>> Okay.

872
00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:42,639
So, but the question on the debt days of

873
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,119
cash on hand and the electric fund, is

874
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:46,879
that directly related to decisions

875
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:48,800
council made to

876
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,839
>> That's true.

877
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:51,119
>> That's our fault.

878
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:52,399
>> Oh, yeah. No,

879
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:53,440
>> I'm just saying though.

880
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,359
>> Yeah. No, it is.

881
00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:57,040
>> It's not fault. It's just the

882
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,040
circumstance. But yeah,

883
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,240
>> we've made that we've made that

884
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:01,839
conscious decision

885
00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:03,359
>> and and that's a good point, Dave. in

886
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:05,440
that we have to understand

887
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,920
it what decisions we make have a great

888
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,480
impact on other things. they make it go

889
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,920
or slow it down.

890
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,920
>> And and that's where the tax question is

891
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,400
going to come up because from what I

892
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,480
understand what John said, if we approve

893
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,440
the PCA increase, it's going to be 24

894
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,320
$24 per 10,000. Correct. 1,000

895
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,599
kilowatts.

896
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:26,320
>> Yes.

897
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,079
>> So 24%

898
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:29,119
>> $24

899
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:29,599
>> correct

900
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,839
>> per month per kil per per 10,000

901
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:32,880
>> 1,00 kilowatt.

902
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,440
>> So if somebody uses 2,000 kilowatt,

903
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,480
>> they're going to end up having their

904
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,960
bill increase $50 a month.

905
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,920
basically

906
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,119
>> to round up.

907
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:42,079
>> Yeah.

908
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,680
>> So that's that's a pretty big

909
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,760
>> and every and probably I don't know

910
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,760
what's the average is it average 2,000

911
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,160
kilowatts across the our customers or is

912
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,040
it less?

913
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680
>> It's uh it's around a thousand but

914
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,280
>> it really depends on the season. In the

915
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,800
winter time it's much higher.

916
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,200
>> Yeah.

917
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,839
>> Spring and fall it's low.

918
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:04,000
>> But across the state a thousand is the

919
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,599
standard we measure against everybody

920
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:06,240
else.

921
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:07,680
>> Yeah. That's where most utilities

922
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,880
measure around a thousand,

923
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,280
>> right?

924
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,560
>> How long has that standard been in

925
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,000
effect?

926
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,760
>> Long as I can remember. So, so maybe

927
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,200
that needs to be updated.

928
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,040
>> Most of the bills that I'm seeing going

929
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,280
out are higher than a thousand. I'd say

930
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,359
that for our customers, it's more like

931
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:22,960
12 to,300 K.

932
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,400
>> Yeah, I was going to say mine's always

933
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,359
over a,000.

934
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:28,240
>> Yeah,

935
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,839
>> yours is well over a,000.

936
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:34,630
>> Turn off the power,000.

937
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,400
So, so that's where that's where I think

938
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,160
our challenge to our citizens is going

939
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,839
to come. If we do anything differently,

940
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:41,839
we're already going to if we if we go

941
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:43,200
with this,

942
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,400
>> then we're going to we're going to

943
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,160
challenge our citizens with increasing

944
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,880
their power, their monthly rates by

945
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,160
what, you know, if you 50 times 12

946
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,800
months, you got $600 a year that they're

947
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,400
going to be spending on electricity

948
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,040
instead of on taxes. But if we don't do

949
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,320
it, then our potential uh cash on hand

950
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,240
is going to drop. and we kind of revert

951
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:05,040
back

952
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,960
>> to where we have been. Exactly. Yeah.

953
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,200
>> So, it's going to be a tough decision,

954
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:09,599
but

955
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:10,800
>> yeah,

956
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,960
>> and that's where I lean in and honestly

957
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,280
if if we can't um be in the positive on

958
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,240
the if we can't have that going up or

959
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,040
staying equal, do we stay in the

960
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,119
electric business?

961
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:26,560
>> You're you're going down that road that

962
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,040
we have

963
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,880
>> I'm ahead of I'm ahead. Yeah. Okay. So,

964
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,200
gentlemen, I did want to remind you that

965
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,040
by by statute, we are required in a

966
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,760
long-term manner to have what we call uh

967
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,040
1.0 debt coverage of our revenues versus

968
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,520
our power purchase agreements, which is

969
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,560
to say we can't sell you electric for

970
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,160
less less than we paid for it. And

971
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,280
that's that's by state law. So, and if

972
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,119
you wind up falling below for a few

973
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:56,960
months here and there, as long as you

974
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,880
make it up on the other side here and

975
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,680
there, it's not a problem. But the long

976
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,640
run debt coverage is going to be 1.0.

977
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,920
>> So, we actually pay off our debt in May

978
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,599
and we will not have any debt in the

979
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,320
electric fund starting May 31st.

980
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,000
>> But that covenant is still part of our

981
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000
PPAs.

982
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:16,960
>> Ah,

983
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,320
>> so this year, next year. So we are debt

984
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,480
free made this year this month. Okay.

985
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,160
>> However, what Mike is saying is it's

986
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,400
still in our purchase power agreements.

987
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,599
It constitutes debt.

988
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,960
>> So So say that again. So I didn't quite

989
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,359
understand what you were.

990
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:39,920
>> So 1.0 debt coverage for a revenue debt

991
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,400
and PPAs are not constitutional debt,

992
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,800
but they're debt for the purposes of the

993
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,359
statutes of uh 15.2 1133.

994
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:51,200
Um

995
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:57,359
so it provides that on a ongoing basis

996
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:02,000
you need to collect as much money for

997
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400
selling electricity as you are paying

998
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,520
for that electricity and that's both

999
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,480
your O andM costs which are O andM costs

1000
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,359
are and our direct debt costs which are

1001
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:16,240
things like Snowden. All right, that's a

1002
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,480
direct operating cost that we have

1003
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,160
that's within our budget. Plus any PPA

1004
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,520
costs needs to be you need to have a

1005
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,079
matchup of 1.0 between how much you're

1006
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,040
collecting and how much you're paying um

1007
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,880
to operate the fund. which is to say

1008
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,119
that you can't be subsidizing your fund

1009
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,680
out of tax your electric fund out of tax

1010
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,400
money or in the long term even drawing

1011
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,040
down your reserves because that's

1012
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,359
considered to be

1013
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:51,760
um pledged to the PPA holders. Um and again that's not even something

1014
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,240
where we can ne negotiate with the with

1015
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,480
the people we're purchasing power from.

1016
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,920
That's something the general assembly's

1017
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,119
told us we got to do.

1018
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,240
>> Yeah. And you're right. I I think that

1019
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:06,160
there were some technicalities or

1020
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,760
directives from Richmond that we had

1021
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,760
would have to go back, you know,

1022
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,119
>> and obviously there are special

1023
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:14,480
situations, right? If you had a raft of

1024
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,359
logs hit Snowden and you had to spend a

1025
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:20,640
bajillion dollars to try to fix it. That

1026
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,240
is what it is. But

1027
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:22,800
>> yeah,

1028
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,040
>> long run normal operations, you got to

1029
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,200
have the 1.0 ratio between what you

1030
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,240
collect and what you pay.

1031
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,079
>> And that's what the PCA does.

1032
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:30,720
>> Yes. Yeah.

1033
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:34,320
>> Okay. So, we So, we're stuck really

1034
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,640
matching with paying what the BCA says

1035
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,200
>> in in the long run. Again, you want to

1036
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,560
delay it two months, you want to phase

1037
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,240
it in over 6 months, whatever you want

1038
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,400
to do, but in the long run,

1039
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,320
>> and I don't mean the 5year long run. I

1040
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,560
mean the 12 month long run, you need to

1041
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,560
make sure you got a 1.0 ratio there.

1042
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,480
>> And then we will have options that we

1043
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:55,200
can talk about.

1044
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:55,839
>> Yeah.

1045
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,160
>> Maybe just add a little bit there, Mike.

1046
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,280
We pay certain grid costs which are not

1047
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,240
which are in the PCA but are not part of

1048
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,040
that covenant. Okay. And they're

1049
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,319
significant. They're $800,000 a month.

1050
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:12,079
So I don't think we have any trouble

1051
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,560
covering that. It's just how do you

1052
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,400
define it? And those grid costs are not

1053
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,720
part of the purchase power agreements.

1054
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:22,319
>> Okay. So we do have some room there.

1055
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:24,480
Well, I I suspect that those would be

1056
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,720
categorized into the on andm costs that

1057
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,119
you're required to have 1.0 coverage on

1058
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:29,599
as well.

1059
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,280
>> Well, that would include our base rate

1060
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,119
as well. It doesn't right is all

1061
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,160
collections

1062
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,680
>> all collections basically. The

1063
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,160
enterprise fund needs to be balanced is

1064
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,839
essentially what I'm telling you.

1065
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:41,920
>> Yes. And and we are essentially, you

1066
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,839
know, there may be some differences

1067
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:46,319
between what the PCA recovers and what

1068
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:48,240
base rates recover. When you put it all

1069
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,560
together, we're good. that we want to

1070
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,119
have the goal of having the PCA cover

1071
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:57,200
all power cost, but uh there's wiggle

1072
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:58,880
room between those two because no,

1073
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,640
nobody's perfect in setting the base

1074
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,720
rate versus the PCA. And remember, we

1075
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,319
just had a whole new rate design in

1076
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:06,800
October. So, we're really real, you

1077
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,640
know, getting working our way through

1078
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,880
that now. But I do agree in the long

1079
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,280
term, we got to cover our power costs.

1080
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:18,160
So, so have we not? So, to from my

1081
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,760
limited knowledge, it looks like we

1082
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,040
haven't been doing that over the past

1083
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,160
three years. If we go from 151 days down

1084
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,599
to 91 days,

1085
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,040
>> and part of that is what triggered the

1086
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:27,920
rate study.

1087
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,400
>> Okay.

1088
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,240
>> So, because we were not covering it, we

1089
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,000
had an independent rate consultant come

1090
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,319
in to design a rate schedule that was

1091
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:37,920
supposed to be a 1.0 or above.

1092
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,560
>> That's right. And remember in the past

1093
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,560
couple three or four or five years we've

1094
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,079
been saying okay we're going to eat part

1095
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:44,880
of that. Yes

1096
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,720
>> rather than pass it along to customers

1097
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,000
because we're trying to be as sensitive

1098
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,680
to customer cost as possible. So I mean

1099
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,280
that's a conscious decision that we

1100
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:55,839
made. Yeah.

1101
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:58,240
>> We just can't do it anymore.

1102
00:42:58,240 --> 00:42:59,760
>> Yeah. And that's where that's where I

1103
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,200
that's where I'm just bringing it up

1104
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,400
because that's where the challenge is.

1105
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,160
We're going to be raising our rates up

1106
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:04,800
again

1107
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,079
>> and we're going to be looking at this

1108
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,400
again in what? October, November of this

1109
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:08,960
year, right?

1110
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,359
>> Uh November 1st is when the PCA gets

1111
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:11,920
reviewed.

1112
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,560
>> Correct.

1113
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,920
>> So, uh there is there is some leeway

1114
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,319
within the wording of the PCA to give

1115
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:21,280
you some leeway on how to pass the cost

1116
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,319
along. Uh but we'll get to that some.

1117
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:25,920
>> And then what I'm what I'm trying to say

1118
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,440
is this is the gift that keeps on

1119
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:27,920
giving.

1120
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,400
>> Yeah.

1121
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,800
>> So, get used to it. But yeah, the only

1122
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,079
reason I'm bringing it up is because

1123
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,079
it's it's going to be it's we've got all

1124
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:35,520
these other challenges, but this is

1125
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,200
another challenge for our citizens we

1126
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,160
need to think about.

1127
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,040
>> Exactly. Right.

1128
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:39,920
>> Yeah.

1129
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:45,760
>> Um and I was wondering the last one on page uh 40 is maintain a collection

1130
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,560
rate of over 90%. On personal property

1131
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,240
and electric bills

1132
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:50,880
>> doing that.

1133
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,040
>> We are. Yes. I'm very proud.

1134
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,440
>> I see. Yeah. 99%.

1135
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,880
>> Yeah. They're doing an amazing job.

1136
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:57,520
>> Good job.

1137
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,240
>> Thank you. Yeah,

1138
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,240
>> maybe next maybe now it should be raised

1139
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,240
to 95%.

1140
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,440
>> That is true.

1141
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,520
>> Industry standard is normally 90 and

1142
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,760
that's where

1143
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,599
um of course I I'll say the same thing

1144
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:12,160
probably with electric. Y'all really do

1145
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,400
seriously need to consider

1146
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,880
>> and it's vision. It's vision on the

1147
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,800
vision side

1148
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:19,520
metering.

1149
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:19,839
>> Yes,

1150
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:24,160
>> that will be a big game changer. This will take care of some of your

1151
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,000
problems.

1152
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,440
It's costly. Yes. But uh you'll love it.

1153
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,160
>> I agree.

1154
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,359
>> Yeah.

1155
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:32,800
>> So, what else you have for us? Anything

1156
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640
else?

1157
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,400
>> Before we move on, I I just a note that

1158
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,240
both town manager and and our director

1159
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:48,400
of finances said um that obviously

1160
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,680
personnel don't have enough staff to do

1161
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,920
what we need to do. Uh it's going to be

1162
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,160
always an issue. So, I'm just going to

1163
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,680
bring it back up again because I'll be

1164
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,960
keeping this drum about volunteers.

1165
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,200
>> I mean, there's I mean, you know, Bart

1166
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,960
mentioned a minute ago about if we had

1167
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,960
to do the postage meter. Well, that

1168
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,200
doesn't take a rocket scientist to do

1169
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,520
run postage through. I mean, if we So,

1170
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,440
my my

1171
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,880
a goal would be to try to vision be to

1172
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,520
try to get folks to think more on

1173
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,240
volunteers. I mean, your statistics here

1174
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,880
are are great. 91% high school

1175
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,400
graduates, 28% that are have bachelors,

1176
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,480
about 60% are in the labor force, that

1177
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,400
probably means about 40% of the folks

1178
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,240
are retired. Um, so if we would take a

1179
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,640
look at departments or take a look at

1180
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,960
what volunteers could do and maybe just

1181
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,040
come up with, I hate to say job

1182
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,040
description. I mean, once that person

1183
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,680
gets in there and and doing things like

1184
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,920
administrative stuff or or whatever that

1185
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,680
I'll be out there, you really don't need

1186
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,240
to supervise them that much. I know. So,

1187
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,160
the supervisions on the front end, but

1188
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,240
it pays dividends on the long run. So,

1189
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:01,520
that's just my my two cents on trying to

1190
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,280
get help staffing.

1191
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,160
>> You're exactly right, uh, Dave, and that

1192
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,280
you get the right people, right

1193
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,960
positions, once you get them trained,

1194
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,119
they need very little supervision. And I've seen Ann's group Ann has a very

1195
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,280
good group. Uh they know what they're

1196
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,960
doing. They go at it and when they have

1197
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,720
a problem or a question, they come to

1198
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,640
you. But they know what they're doing.

1199
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,440
But yeah, you're right. But then some

1200
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,560
don't work out and

1201
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,640
>> Oh, no. It's just same way.

1202
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,640
>> It's the same hiring employees. That's

1203
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,720
right. Some don't say.

1204
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,960
>> Good deal. Good comments.

1205
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,520
And you we we'll we'll come back to the

1206
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,040
financial side. Don't get me wrong. I'm

1207
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:41,280
just

1208
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,800
>> Oh, I know.

1209
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,000
>> Yeah. No, I just

1210
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,319
>> Yeah.

1211
00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:45,680
>> Since both of them have had that

1212
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,119
comment, I wanted to just kind

1213
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:48,079
>> Yeah.

1214
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:51,280
>> Um page 42,

1215
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,359
uh information technology. U

1216
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:55,680
>> yeah, Daryl's not with Daryl's the ops

1217
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,760
guy. The budget stuff basically Ann and

1218
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,280
I kind of cover for him.

1219
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,839
Going back to we're saying the mandates

1220
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:05,119
and the needs for security and the fact

1221
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:07,119
that software is not being supported and

1222
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,599
there's planned obsolescence. I mean

1223
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,200
we're drinking from the fire hose on

1224
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,200
several issues there and operationally

1225
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,800
well I'll tell you we're frankly

1226
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,720
struggling to handle that. We've got two

1227
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,040
full full-time employees. We're also

1228
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,319
contracting out with Magna 5 to provide

1229
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:27,280
a safety net, but those safety net

1230
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,720
activities are almost becoming as

1231
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,440
prevalent as the day-to-day stuff. So,

1232
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,000
>> well, information technology is a one of

1233
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,760
those things that I I of course I'm not

1234
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,760
involved as much as it once was, but you

1235
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,760
buy a computer now, a laptop, it's

1236
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,240
obsolete within what, one to two years.

1237
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,400
So, I mean, things are changing that

1238
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,640
quick on the technology side. And I I

1239
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,000
hesitate to mention this because frankly

1240
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,200
I'm a little superstitious. Um

1241
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,800
I've got colleagues who have dealt with

1242
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,319
ransomware issues and I just don't ever

1243
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,079
want to have to do that.

1244
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,000
>> But frankly, you're going to pay one way

1245
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,760
or the other.

1246
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,079
>> So that's that's it.

1247
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:05,920
>> I mean we have big projects coming like

1248
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,160
a Microsoft transition to the

1249
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,119
cloud-based software. We very large

1250
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,880
project our phone system

1251
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,079
>> and always updates.

1252
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,720
>> Yep. Well, our phone system will be out

1253
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,640
of license. I think in that meeting they

1254
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,160
said in the next three years. Yeah.

1255
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,800
>> And they don't sell any more phones.

1256
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,880
>> So he's he's got a lot of issues he's

1257
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,079
dealing with now with that.

1258
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,240
>> And that's that's one of those things

1259
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,680
you have no choice.

1260
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,960
>> You've got to look at other options and it's costly.

1261
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,319
>> And the option there is we're looking at

1262
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:36,000
the mobile phones that the town owns and

1263
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,680
issues. So we

1264
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,359
>> we're not we're not just throwing

1265
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:41,680
problems at you without solutions

1266
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,559
proposed behind.

1267
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,200
>> Yeah.

1268
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,720
because the mobile phones could be

1269
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,040
as much of a liability too if they're if

1270
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,720
they're connected to the internet and

1271
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,559
they can they can click on a link

1272
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,839
that'll actually yeah it's dangerous

1273
00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:58,960
>> but you do um and I from when I was here

1274
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,400
there's really good training that the

1275
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,040
town provides to its employees so that

1276
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,559
they're not

1277
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,640
>> to all of us we all see it also the

1278
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,160
>> and we do monitor that and we test

1279
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,200
everybody and

1280
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,599
>> yes

1281
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,760
>> and we send a monthly report on our pass

1282
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,200
and failure rate

1283
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,280
>> I mean our IT staff is constantly going

1284
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,400
out of their way to try to trick us

1285
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,760
>> and and I've seen that. Yeah, you're

1286
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,480
right. And but but that's and but that's

1287
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,760
the way it is when you get a email that

1288
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,280
looks legit but it says warning don't

1289
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,040
open the thing. You know

1290
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,559
>> the other thing operationally too is

1291
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,720
with the the software systems we have in

1292
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,280
place. They age out. They become less

1293
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,640
functional. We're encountering that.

1294
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,920
we've encountered that with the electric

1295
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,040
funer recently where our online payment

1296
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,640
system had a glitch that we had to

1297
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,359
resolve. Um the other thing too is these

1298
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:50,160
systems are not cheap and once we're

1299
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,359
invested in them it's hard well

1300
00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:55,040
>> you can't just pull out I mean you can't

1301
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,400
get your money back I guess is what I'm

1302
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,440
trying to say. So

1303
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,520
>> in any service discussion particularly

1304
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,920
electric we're committed to upgrades

1305
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,720
that are ongoing. So if we decided to

1306
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,040
come to a completely different direction

1307
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,640
in terms of service that's going to

1308
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,920
impact it as well.

1309
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:16,400
>> Oh yeah that's right. And it's kind of a process for individuals and everyone

1310
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,960
you have to learn the basics of what it

1311
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,559
is. I mean it may be very similar to

1312
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,720
what you were using but it's still

1313
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,200
different in its own way.

1314
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,640
One thing I meant to ask you, Ann,

1315
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,480
earlier the uh the credit card for

1316
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,079
electric bills.

1317
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,720
>> Are we there or where are we on that?

1318
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,800
>> So, we received a proposal with our new

1319
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,559
software where we basically have two

1320
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:41,119
options. You can either absorb credit

1321
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,359
card fees and that would be no charge to

1322
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:45,359
our customers. I estimate that would be

1323
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:48,800
around $250,000 a year to do that. The

1324
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,640
other option is that we could pass all

1325
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,640
fees to our customer and it would be at

1326
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,480
our existing credit card rates which

1327
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,079
they've told us is 3.95% or $2.50

1328
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,160
minimum charge.

1329
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,160
>> So those are the two options associated

1330
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,800
with it. The benefit of absorbing fees

1331
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,680
is that you get a lower negotiated rate

1332
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,680
that's not offered if you pass the fee

1333
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,920
along. What that means is that when you

1334
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,440
swipe your card, instead of it being

1335
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,599
around a 1% charge, it would be around a

1336
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,960
95 cent per 95 cent per transaction

1337
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,520
charge, but that's only available if you

1338
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,559
choose to absorb the fee.

1339
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:26,160
>> Because I'm thinking, okay, if I'm in

1340
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,880
another state for a month,

1341
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,520
>> and I realize, oh, my electric bill is

1342
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,960
due on the 10th of each month, how can I

1343
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,839
pay it? Could I call and put it on a

1344
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:38,640
credit card or

1345
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,240
>> so today or in the future?

1346
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:40,880
>> Right now.

1347
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,800
you can call. We do have an

1348
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,240
IVR system to do that. It's a $4.95 per

1349
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,319
transaction charge today.

1350
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:49,760
>> But it would cost me more to be

1351
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,359
reconnected. Right.

1352
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:53,280
>> Yes. Well, let's add it all to your

1353
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,160
bill. Yeah.

1354
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,160
>> I don't want that. But but yeah, that's

1355
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,400
what I was wondering if I'm out of state

1356
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,920
for a month or longer.

1357
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,240
>> Yes. Yes.

1358
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,160
>> And I realized, oh, I I know when my

1359
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,760
electric bills due.

1360
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,760
>> Can I call and pay?

1361
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,680
>> You can. You can't call into our staff

1362
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,599
because we don't have the security on

1363
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:13,680
our phones to do that, but we do have a

1364
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,319
phone number that takes payments for us.

1365
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:18,079
>> Well, I could call John and say, "John,

1366
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:19,760
I need a favor. Go pay it. I'll

1367
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,960
reimburse you."

1368
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,599
>> And I would do that for you. But the

1369
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:25,040
other option you have, Mr. Mayor, is you

1370
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,599
just put it in the mail. It cost you 50

1371
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:28,880
cents.

1372
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,559
One thing we really want to push too is

1373
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,520
that we offer an in-house a program. And

1374
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,359
if you sign up for that with avoided

1375
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:37,920
check, we run that in here and we really

1376
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,359
want to push that. It's a free service

1377
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:41,119
we offer.

1378
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:42,559
>> But if I'm in another state, I'm not

1379
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,640
getting my mail down there. I'm kind of

1380
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,040
monitoring what's going on. Somebody may

1381
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,359
be telling me, you have this bill due on

1382
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:51,760
the 10th and today's the 9th.

1383
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,520
>> And also my staff, we don't have an

1384
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,160
automated system. So they are calling in

1385
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,920
house to people on the disconnect list

1386
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,680
and it it does take a lot of time but we

1387
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:00,960
found it really helps.

1388
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,520
>> Yeah. And that's another long-term

1389
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,240
vision.

1390
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:05,119
>> Yeah.

1391
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:08,160
>> So I have a question. So you know a lot

1392
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,800
of places now where you can go sign in

1393
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,079
to the account online. Are we exploring

1394
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,880
that possibility down the road or do we

1395
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,720
have the technology to do that yet?

1396
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,640
>> So we do have the technology now where

1397
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,640
you can go online and register your

1398
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,480
account. I will say that our system is

1399
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,720
what I would call a legacy system. We're

1400
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,720
trying to upgrade it. We've started that

1401
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,800
project. We plan to go live with a new

1402
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,839
software in April of next year. The new

1403
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:36,000
software will be like our tax software.

1404
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,599
So, it's modern, up-to-date,

1405
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:39,520
cloud-based, and I think it'll be a much

1406
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,920
better customer experience. It'll also

1407
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,599
offer a lot of things we don't have

1408
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,079
today. So, one of those is disconnects.

1409
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:47,680
I mentioned staff is picking up the

1410
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,280
phone and calling. We'll do something

1411
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,000
called call campaigns. So, we'll tell it

1412
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,920
what to say and it'll send out automated

1413
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,440
messages to everybody on the list. And

1414
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:56,960
we can do that a couple times. It'll

1415
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,200
send emails, text messages. So, it's

1416
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,640
going to be a much better service than

1417
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,000
what we have today.

1418
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,640
>> I mean, because I I go online. I've

1419
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,319
already set up for automatic pay and I

1420
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:10,400
can go online. I did the e billill. So,

1421
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,400
I get the email notice saying my bill's

1422
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,440
this and

1423
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:13,839
>> yeah,

1424
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:15,520
>> all it's all seen was

1425
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,319
>> good. Thank you. Yeah, that's kind of

1426
00:54:18,319 --> 00:54:22,319
what we're Yeah, that's good.

1427
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:24,880
>> All right, information technology. I see

1428
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,440
Daryl had his goals, objectives, vision

1429
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,359
statement, and he's put on page 43, ways

1430
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:34,160
to measure it and so forth. So, you

1431
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,359
know, that's again, that's what I like

1432
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:39,440
to see. I mean, you've got that vision

1433
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,240
and you're going uh down that road.

1434
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,640
You've got your where you want to drive

1435
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,880
that vehicle. You got the driver driving

1436
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,559
it and the your destination. So

1437
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,160
good.

1438
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,950
Any any questions on that? Comments.

1439
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,960
All right. Police department.

1440
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,400
>> What say you, Jim?

1441
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,000
>> You're taking care of criminals.

1442
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,839
Correct.

1443
00:55:07,839 --> 00:55:10,319
>> Lock them up. Book them down.

1444
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:12,240
>> Customer service.

1445
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:14,400
>> There you go.

1446
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,480
But I should not leave the keys in my

1447
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,720
car at night. Right.

1448
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,680
>> Common sense.

1449
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,520
>> We're basically operate still operating

1450
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,599
off a three-year strategic plan that I

1451
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:29,520
have not had a chance to. We've achieved

1452
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,400
a lot of those goals, but uh discussions

1453
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,760
with command staff. We're going to start

1454
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,839
doing yearly smart goals and make our

1455
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:38,880
strategic plan a little bigger

1456
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,119
um where we can actually do measurable

1457
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:44,880
goals every year. We do not have our 27

1458
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,480
goals yet.

1459
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,280
>> 27 goals yet. But I have found in past

1460
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,640
agencies I've worked for, if you do

1461
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,880
that, you're you're able to be more

1462
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,799
responsive and a little more agile in

1463
00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:59,040
how you plan your next year's work.

1464
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,880
>> Yeah, I saw where you put two to be

1465
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,160
determined. I just wondered how long

1466
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,839
that would take. But you all you're

1467
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:08,160
working on those now. Well, in the in the strategic plan that was

1468
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,680
created before I came, we're still uh

1469
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,119
you know, we're up about the middle of

1470
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:14,799
that three-year plan, but uh we're going

1471
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:16,720
to we're going to go in a new direction.

1472
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,480
Uh a lot of that we're going to continue

1473
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,160
to pursue because it's good stuff. a lot

1474
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,480
of good stuff in there, but I found that

1475
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,440
a lot of it is uh I found in the

1476
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,079
policing world a lot of times we'll do things like uh we're going to

1477
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:32,720
reduce DUI crashes for instance, but we

1478
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,280
only play a small part in controlling

1479
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,280
that things like that. What we can do

1480
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,160
for instance is increase our DUI special

1481
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,920
controls and things like that.

1482
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,119
There's a few things that need to be

1483
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,119
tweaked and remapped.

1484
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,200
>> And again, probably broken down year to

1485
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,960
year rather than a threeyear block.

1486
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,799
>> I would think some things just what from

1487
00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:56,559
the outside looking in like crime

1488
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:58,960
trends. What kind of crime is going on

1489
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,680
in this area and what kind of drugs are

1490
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,839
being run through here? I know we've

1491
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:06,319
heard that in years gone by. What I I

1492
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:09,359
don't know what the main drug of

1493
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:11,440
substance abuse is now. Yeah, that's

1494
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,240
funny how that over years it cycles

1495
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:15,599
>> through and

1496
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:17,680
>> something will be the flavor of the day.

1497
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,599
For instance, crack, take the crack for

1498
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,160
instance, big in the 80s, coming back

1499
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:22,799
again.

1500
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:23,920
>> Yeah.

1501
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,760
>> And then all the designer drills that

1502
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,839
are coming in from overseas. It's hard

1503
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:28,559
to keep up with.

1504
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,480
>> Yeah. Hopefully some of that is being

1505
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,160
cut down, but it's still going to find

1506
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,839
its way through no matter what what is

1507
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:38,880
done. Um and you of course response

1508
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,559
times to calls. I mean there there are

1509
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,400
little things you could monitor how long

1510
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,079
it takes to get

1511
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:45,839
>> Yes. When I looked at the response times

1512
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:47,680
to calls, it's really kind of hard to

1513
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,920
quantify that and even the type of

1514
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,880
calls. Uh you might have a for instance,

1515
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,839
you might have a call about alarm going

1516
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:58,720
off in business and it may be the fact

1517
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,920
that you know uh

1518
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,000
>> you know just a false alarm or you might

1519
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,040
have a burglary which takes may take

1520
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,880
hundreds of man hours to solve. So it's hard to quantify a lot of a lot of

1521
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,760
the calls and even the response times

1522
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,599
come in different tiers. You know,

1523
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:18,640
there's a difference between an

1524
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,839
emergency call and a dog and and I call

1525
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:25,359
that a dog. For instance, I I'll tell

1526
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:28,000
you this little funny story. It wasn't

1527
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,880
as funny then, but it's funny now. back in my meter reading days back the

1528
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,200
downtown Lynburg area. Threequarters of

1529
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,359
those meters were in those buildings

1530
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:40,000
down in the basement. So we had keys to

1531
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,079
a lot of those buildings when they were

1532
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:44,640
not in service or when we had to get in

1533
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,520
to check the meter. And unbeknown to me,

1534
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,680
I went in one building. It was a

1535
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,680
restaurant. Just went on front door. We

1536
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,839
had a key. It was not open. Think of

1537
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:58,480
this little buzzer going off. Think what

1538
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,720
is that little noise there? So I go

1539
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,480
down, check the meter, and come back up.

1540
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,839
In front door is a couple of police

1541
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:05,280
there. Said,

1542
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,079
>> "Yeah,

1543
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:07,760
>> what are you doing?" I said, "Oh, I'm

1544
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,480
out. Go. I'm just checking the meter."

1545
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,200
Okay. But it had alerted the police to

1546
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,160
come and see who's in that building. So

1547
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,559
it it works.

1548
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:22,480
But uh those those things are good. Uh I

1549
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,240
put my hands up. Don't arrest me.

1550
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,520
>> That started your criminal career.

1551
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,160
started beforehand. That's what made the

1552
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,200
long face back.

1553
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,040
But that sounds good. Jim, do you have

1554
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,960
anything else to add or

1555
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,119
>> No, obviously I'm here to answer any

1556
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:41,520
specific questions, but

1557
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:42,720
>> what do y'all have?

1558
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,640
>> I got two questions. So, we fully

1559
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,640
staffed now. Everything we completely

1560
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:47,280
fully staffed.

1561
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,040
>> Fully staffed. We have three that still

1562
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,200
need another five weeks in the academy

1563
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,400
and 12 weeks of FTO. And then uh good

1564
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:59,200
lord will be fully staffed with 241.

1565
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,599
>> Cool. And then here it says right under

1566
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:03,839
the authorized positions it says

1567
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:07,119
$100,000 CIP request for improvements at

1568
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:09,359
Li Lake Park facility and what new

1569
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,119
improvements are we looking at to

1570
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:12,400
upgrade?

1571
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,760
>> I don't know exactly how that got in

1572
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,680
there. I do have plans, long-term plans

1573
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,000
for some improvements we'd like to do up

1574
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,240
there as far as like

1575
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,480
an actual locker room, washer, dryer,

1576
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,319
things like that.

1577
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:26,240
>> And then maybe split up for a couple

1578
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,200
more offices up there, but yeah, there's

1579
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,200
>> I certainly have a longterm wish list on

1580
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:31,760
that.

1581
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,119
>> And speaking of that, of course, that

1582
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,319
was a temporary approach to offset the

1583
01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:38,559
need for a new police department.

1584
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,160
Temporary in government terms often

1585
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,150
spans many years.

1586
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,760
Give me one second. I'll try to pull

1587
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:46,640
that request.

1588
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,119
>> I want to ask a quick question, mayor,

1589
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,359
for you that I mean, right now we're

1590
01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:53,200
going through the You're just going

1591
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,640
through visions and stuff. We'll go

1592
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,240
through the budget separately.

1593
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,000
>> Correct. It was at the bottom of the

1594
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,319
I cl

1595
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:03,359
I'm curious as to

1596
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:04,880
>> I got I'm going to beat up Jim for a

1597
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:05,440
little bit.

1598
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,040
>> We can we can talk about that later.

1599
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:07,520
That's fine.

1600
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,040
>> We We'll get to that once I get through

1601
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,640
this.

1602
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,319
It just popped out because you look

1603
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:13,440
through all the other stuff.

1604
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:14,559
>> That's I'm fine. I just want to make

1605
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:16,079
sure that we

1606
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:18,000
>> I'm just kind of understanding the

1607
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,400
goals, visions, and and as I said

1608
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,680
earlier, who's driving the car?

1609
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,440
>> I do have that request pulled up if you

1610
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,520
would like. It has continued

1611
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,280
improvements to the support services

1612
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,200
building to include the knowledge to

1613
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,640
paint renovate office area by adding Oh,

1614
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,280
it just disappeared. Um, give me one

1615
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,359
second.

1616
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:41,599
Okay.

1617
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:42,160
>> All right.

1618
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,400
>> Renovate office area by adding a POD

1619
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,640
partition or wall. Renovate interior of

1620
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,079
building and building locker, shower

1621
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,240
rooms or gym decontamination if and when

1622
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,270
needed.

1623
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:54,960
» That is the request.

1624
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,200
>> I think chief does a great job. I think

1625
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,520
with police presence on both side of

1626
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,599
town, I think it really helps a lot to

1627
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:05,119
keep what's going on in town. So,

1628
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:06,720
>> you really focus on just being in

1629
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:07,520
neighborhoods.

1630
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,400
>> Yep. I'm always reminding the guys that

1631
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,480
just somebody seeing you drive down the

1632
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,920
street provides a lot of comfort and

1633
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,760
safety feel.

1634
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,079
>> The the presence goes a long way.

1635
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:20,400
>> You're right.

1636
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,480
>> Anything else?

1637
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,920
>> All right. Page 46. Fire department.

1638
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,150
Stacy, what you got for us?

1639
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,040
Um kind of along the same terms, you

1640
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,440
know, 26 27 goals and objectives to kind

1641
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,280
of to be determined more or less, uh

1642
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,680
it's a little bit

1643
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,480
more difficult for us to kind of portray

1644
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,200
that being a volunteer system. But as

1645
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,000
far as like outside of anything normal

1646
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,200
than, you know, providing the best

1647
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,520
service uh to the community, to the town

1648
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,920
residents, as well as our response area

1649
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,559
and the county, um we're

1650
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:03,280
really getting into a uh position where

1651
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,119
a lot of our tools, equipment, and stuff

1652
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,359
like that, it's time to start really

1653
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:09,200
getting with the times more.

1654
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,200
>> So, we've really looked into that. We

1655
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,160
have I got quite a few

1656
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,799
>> uh members that committees and stuff

1657
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:18,799
looking to just let's start, you know,

1658
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:21,200
work toward what do we need? Let's give

1659
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,039
people the time as far as like

1660
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:26,319
extrication tools, hand tools, anything,

1661
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:28,240
hose, nozzles, stuff like that. What can

1662
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,160
we do to better ourselves to make things

1663
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,920
a lot faster? Fires are burning a lot.

1664
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,200
Fires are burning faster. They're

1665
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,280
burning hotter. We're already behind the

1666
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,000
eightball when we get the call. So, they

1667
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,559
don't burn like we used to. Even in much

1668
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,400
area 16 years ago, a lot of these older

1669
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,480
ones, we had a little bit more time to

1670
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,240
get there. So we're looking at more

1671
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,000
equipment that's lightweight, more

1672
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,480
efficient, but still puts out the output

1673
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:58,079
that is needed, especially back. So

1674
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:00,079
again, just working towards that goals

1675
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,480
and objectives.

1676
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,039
As far as performance measures, really

1677
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,760
just continuing to improve morale, uh,

1678
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:12,640
mental health and, uh, overall volunteer

1679
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,319
commitment and participation really.

1680
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:18,400
It's out there that we answer the calls

1681
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,480
that we put it out there. We're

1682
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,039
answering a lot more calls outside of

1683
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,359
our first dude. That is not our I'm not

1684
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:26,079
going to say it's not our

1685
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,640
responsibility, but we are not the first

1686
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,440
company. That's how those companies are

1687
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,200
not

1688
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,039
So we are

1689
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,680
>> next in line more or less. We're right

1690
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,640
there on home to be burning 30 minutes

1691
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,359
from here. So 25 to 30 minute response

1692
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:45,119
time for us and we're the first ones on

1693
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:49,200
scene. Our members retired but

1694
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,720
>> it's it's invaluable what they're

1695
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:55,119
putting out there. So what they're doing

1696
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:56,960
>> well it's called dedication. I mean it

1697
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,359
when something like that happens that's

1698
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:01,359
what they're dedicated to do. I mean

1699
01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:04,160
It's more and more frequent. We see it

1700
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,799
uh more parts of the county than others.

1701
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:08,640
We know when a call is dispatched to a

1702
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,440
certain area, that company's more than

1703
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,680
likely not going to get out. But if they

1704
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,039
do, they're not going to have sufficient

1705
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:18,960
manpower to handle what what was at

1706
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,119
stake. So that's that's one of my

1707
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,119
personal performance measures is

1708
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,520
continuing to provide that service for

1709
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:28,480
everyone.

1710
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,160
>> How many volunteers do you have

1711
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,480
>> right now? at the roster set to right

1712
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:37,440
around 55 56. All of which are trained

1713
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,640
to at least the minimum fire one

1714
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,680
firefighter one level except for four.

1715
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,680
Uh three of those are in a current

1716
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,119
firefighter one class which they're

1717
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:49,839
actually on their first uh training and

1718
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:52,480
burn today. Uh we had one that started

1719
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,880
just after one started.

1720
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,440
Um we've had a big influx in

1721
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,160
applications um membership people want

1722
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,119
to do it.

1723
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:06,640
>> Um so we're constantly monitoring those

1724
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,799
interviewing set through those really

1725
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:11,039
just kind of just paint because some

1726
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:12,720
people get in they sound great when they

1727
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,720
interview but once when they get there

1728
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,640
our house culture on the streets

1729
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,960
actually start to run these calls and

1730
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,559
they decide it's not enough and that's

1731
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:23,839
perfectly fine. That is perfectly fine.

1732
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:27,119
um trying to find that balance between

1733
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,520
is this right for you are we the right

1734
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:36,309
fit for you

1735
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:37,839
» is the morale pretty good

1736
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:44,309
>> I believe so if not straight to my face

1737
01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:46,000
» they're doing a good job of it huh

1738
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:51,920
>> they are yeah it's great uh culture is there um like I said it's

1739
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,520
hard We're running more calls than we

1740
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,720
ever have. We're It's already what is it

1741
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,520
the 1st of May and we're destined to

1742
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,240
reach over,400 calls this year for

1743
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,799
service. So,

1744
01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:05,839
it's going to be crazy.

1745
01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:08,319
>> You know, I say this all the time, but

1746
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:10,079
that fire department there, the Beth

1747
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:13,920
Fire Department has a long rich history

1748
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,240
of volunteering and commitment and

1749
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,440
dedication. I mean, it stands it's it

1750
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,839
that probably goes a long way in getting

1751
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:24,319
people uh to come there and volunteer. I

1752
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:26,640
mean, it's has a history, as you just

1753
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,760
said, Stacy, of going 30 minutes to a a

1754
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,559
fire that's really not in your your

1755
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:34,559
geographic territory, but no one else

1756
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:38,079
has responded. I mean, that's that says

1757
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:39,280
a lot about the fire department.

1758
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,440
>> We have to change our entire run. Like,

1759
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,720
for just for notes, but that requires us

1760
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,960
to change our entire run. Instead of

1761
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,400
taking the lighter out that would be

1762
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:49,920
first out on that, you know, we're

1763
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,520
having to provide both the piece of the

1764
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,599
wagon, the tanker, and the ladder truck

1765
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:55,359
with a sufficient amount of manower,

1766
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:58,079
which double-edged sword. We're taking

1767
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,079
them volunteers away from the town.

1768
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:01,039
>> Yeah.

1769
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,359
>> Nine times out of 10 at the same time,

1770
01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:03,839
>> right?

1771
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:05,520
>> But

1772
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,720
more members step up.

1773
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:09,760
>> Yeah.

1774
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,359
>> Well, I think you're doing a great job

1775
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:13,680
and we will continue to support support

1776
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,910
the fire department any way we can.

1777
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,600
Yes. You mentioned that uh sometimes you

1778
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,839
guys get get tired and stuff and and I

1779
01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:25,440
think from parenting to public service,

1780
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:27,199
we're all tired, you know, that type

1781
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,520
stuff. But do do you think you were you

1782
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,440
were staffed enough to, you know,

1783
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:33,279
minimize fatigue and and that kind of

1784
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:33,679
stuff?

1785
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:37,440
>> Yeah, I believe so. We have a and I was

1786
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:39,359
naive when I first got in. I might not

1787
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:40,560
have seen it. You know, I was one of

1788
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,239
those young guys. I ran every single

1789
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:44,880
call. I didn't have kids or anything

1790
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,520
like that. Now we've trans like it's

1791
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,480
moved more towards the the big core

1792
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:53,040
group of us. We do have young kids and

1793
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,839
we're trying to make softball games and

1794
01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:58,080
school dances and plays and on top of

1795
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,759
that calls and then we're up most of our

1796
01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:03,600
calls. We get a few during the day but

1797
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,640
most of them in the evenings and so out

1798
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,239
we still got to provide for our family

1799
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,640
at the same time. So yeah, they're tired

1800
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,359
but we make sure that there's a relief

1801
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:16,319
factor there. Um, if I get there and I

1802
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:17,759
know that they've been up all night,

1803
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:21,199
like go take a nap. Like, I need you at

1804
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:22,400
your best

1805
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,520
>> at 2 a.m. and at 2:00 p.m., you know, I

1806
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,520
mean, so go take that nap. Everything

1807
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,359
else is covered. They know their

1808
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,120
expectations. They know it's clean,

1809
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,759
everything ready to go.

1810
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:36,319
I need to be ready.

1811
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,359
>> So, I mean, it's there. Um, you always

1812
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:43,199
have ones that I'm tired.

1813
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:47,990
That's okay.

1814
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:53,669
We have a good we have a good balance.

1815
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:56,159
» I have a question. How many permits EMTs

1816
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:58,880
do you have?

1817
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,560
>> Without knowing the actual number off

1818
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,640
the top of my head, I would say

1819
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,560
75% of our department is minimal EMT

1820
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,360
basic nationally registered certified.

1821
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,920
Um, I would say we probably have more

1822
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:18,159
paramedics on the roster than Bedford

1823
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:22,000
County Fire and Rescue has

1824
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,600
staff.

1825
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,640
And then just they run 500 5 to 600

1826
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,560
trucks a day

1827
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,550
for 24 hours

1828
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:33,840
a lot.

1829
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,920
>> No, no, you get a lot of EMS calls. So,

1830
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,239
it takes up a lot of more time there.

1831
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,239
>> The first responder base and that's

1832
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:42,719
another I mean, you know, we try to

1833
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:44,560
continue to, you know, people sign up to

1834
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,360
ride a fire truck, you know, and we do

1835
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,679
provide a first responder. Um, your

1836
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:51,679
closest met trucks coming from Fair

1837
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:53,840
Island

1838
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,600
1221

1839
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,080
intersection. It takes them 30 minutes

1840
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,159
to get here. Somebody's either falling

1841
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,480
in the driveway and it's 20° outside.

1842
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:03,920
We're going to get up, answer that.

1843
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,159
We're not only automatic.

1844
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:08,159
>> We're going to step up. My guys know to

1845
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:10,719
do what's right. Um,

1846
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:12,880
Unfortunately, like cardiac arrest or

1847
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,880
something like that, we be first on

1848
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,040
scene

1849
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,560
grants and stuff like that. We try to

1850
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,960
get the best

1851
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,229
we

1852
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:27,120
guys wants and stuff in the station, but

1853
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:28,880
we're not.

1854
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,600
I hope we don't

1855
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:32,800
understand what all that

1856
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:37,189
>> is.

1857
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:40,640
We do provide that person

1858
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:41,520
too.

1859
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,199
>> You you serve the public well.

1860
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:44,000
>> You sure?

1861
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,719
>> Yes.

1862
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:47,360
>> Anything else?

1863
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,480
>> I just just a quick general question. I

1864
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:52,239
mean, you obviously provide excellent

1865
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:54,000
service to the community. How does the

1866
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,679
community support you? How's how's the

1867
01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:58,719
annual fundraiser? Has it been has

1868
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:00,400
donations increased and everything?

1869
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,159
>> I would say I don't know if they've

1870
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:05,199
increased. um they've been they've been

1871
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:08,000
pretty steady uh throughout the year. Uh

1872
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,239
and we're very fortunate. We do not have

1873
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:11,920
our community supports us very well

1874
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,679
through our annual mailout. Um we're not

1875
01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:17,360
like other departments that have to do

1876
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:21,040
like uh stewards just at their hand for

1877
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,880
100 years and their chief complaints

1878
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,040
about it every year but you're in

1879
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,199
trouble that

1880
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:29,360
or spaghetti dinner or chicken. We don't

1881
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,199
have we're very fortunate that um and a

1882
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:36,640
lot of our pay like

1883
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:40,080
contributors donators they actually come

1884
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,719
from either that state or not they don't

1885
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:44,800
live in this area because they own homes

1886
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,560
and stuff here. So we make sure that we put them fingers out there and stuff.

1887
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,000
>> Now not everybody can do it.

1888
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,960
Times are tough, but

1889
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:57,679
>> they're there.

1890
01:12:57,679 --> 01:12:58,080
>> Okay,

1891
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:59,120
>> they're call.

1892
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,159
>> That's cool. Thanks.

1893
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:03,840
>> Good.

1894
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,120
>> Appreciate it, S.

1895
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:05,679
>> Thank you.

1896
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:08,320
>> All right. Public works.

1897
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,840
Tom, come on down and speak to us or

1898
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,800
stay there and speak to us.

1899
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,960
>> I know you got little goals and

1900
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,640
performance measures to be determined.

1901
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:19,840
Just tell us what's going on.

1902
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,199
>> Then you'll hear from Tom Tuesday night

1903
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:22,080
again anyway.

1904
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,840
>> Oh, that's true.

1905
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:24,480
Yeah.

1906
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:28,709
>> Don't divulge any secrets.

1907
01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:31,440
» Now, um the main thing about mine is I'm

1908
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:33,920
kind of I got a number of questions that

1909
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,560
need answer answering, you know, where

1910
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,040
we're headed with the transfer station,

1911
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,120
where we're headed with trash

1912
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,840
collection. Uh those are two big things

1913
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,440
and because that rolls over into

1914
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:47,760
equipment needs that I that I have and

1915
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,880
that I have requested uh going forward.

1916
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,679
So, there's big budget requests that

1917
01:13:55,679 --> 01:14:00,480
probably have to be funded. Uh so those

1918
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:04,400
are my biggest concerns. Um I do have a

1919
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,640
list, you know, like I said, equipment

1920
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,679
is an issue, transportation,

1921
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:12,960
um adherence to the fees, that was a

1922
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,679
concern that I had. been I deal a lot

1923
01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:18,560
with the uh parks and the special events

1924
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,280
and um

1925
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,679
quite often people just expect it to be

1926
01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:25,440
done

1927
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:26,640
>> but cost

1928
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:27,440
>> right right

1929
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:28,880
>> you know so that that's one of the

1930
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:29,920
things uh

1931
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,679
>> Tom's the Tom's the other duties

1932
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:34,480
assigned department pretty much

1933
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,560
>> it kind of rolls down heels that's never

1934
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,320
mind

1935
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:38,560
but

1936
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,800
>> but that is one thing that I think we

1937
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,239
are talking about discussing at some

1938
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:44,640
Yeah.

1939
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,360
>> Yeah. I mean, it's just it, you know, I

1940
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,280
I'm all about, you know, community

1941
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,560
service and that kind of thing, but

1942
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,880
>> where how far Yeah, I know.

1943
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,719
>> Nothing's screaming. Yes. No matter

1944
01:14:56,719 --> 01:14:57,199
what.

1945
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:58,960
>> Nothing. Yeah. No matter what is said,

1946
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,719
you're exactly right.

1947
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:04,000
>> And then, uh, one of my other

1948
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,880
concerns goes along with what what Ann

1949
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:10,640
was saying about, um, feed collection.

1950
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,120
Um, and I had spoken to her, you know, a

1951
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,360
while ago and but one of the things we

1952
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,120
want to work on, I'd really like to take

1953
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,320
the feed collection from Cheryl from the

1954
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,320
if we continue with transportation and

1955
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,280
from cemeteries, you know, out of the

1956
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,719
individual's hands. Where I come from,

1957
01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:30,960
you know, been doing this 30 years, no

1958
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,480
one touched the money except for the

1959
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:34,400
finance department. So,

1960
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:34,800
>> right,

1961
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:39,040
>> it just has to change, you know, it's a

1962
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,840
>> I forget it's a legal term. So,

1963
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,199
>> it's a risk management issue.

1964
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:45,840
>> Yeah, it's risk management and it's, you

1965
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,159
know, the chain of who has the money in

1966
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:49,120
their hand kind of.

1967
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,880
>> Are we looking into that or

1968
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,120
>> Oh, yes.

1969
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,159
>> Okay. Okay.

1970
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:56,480
>> And you know, as you all may or may not

1971
01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:58,640
be aware, I have a terminated employee

1972
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,600
because he was stealing

1973
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,000
>> from the transfer station.

1974
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,400
So that was kind of a part and that was

1975
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:07,760
a couple months ago. So

1976
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,280
>> yeah, got to do what you got to

1977
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:10,880
>> one operation that's still collecting

1978
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,760
cash outside of finance cemetery. If the

1979
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,760
transfer station closes, then there is

1980
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,440
no cash collection there, but the

1981
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,920
cemetery is still collecting cash and

1982
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:20,800
checks.

1983
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,199
>> Okay.

1984
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:27,679
>> But that's but like I said, uh the main my main concern is where we're

1985
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:30,400
headed with in sanitation.

1986
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,239
>> Yes.

1987
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,480
And and how many employees do you have?

1988
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,560
>> Uh counting myself 23.

1989
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,880
>> 23. Are you full staff?

1990
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:39,840
>> No, sir.

1991
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,199
>> You're short.

1992
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:42,480
>> Yeah, I'm short.

1993
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:45,760
>> Okay. All right. Um

1994
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,360
>> but but that was a discussion between

1995
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,440
Bart and I that that I agreed to hold

1996
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,840
off until at a later time.

1997
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,760
>> Correct.

1998
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:58,239
>> I mean, we're we're able we're able to do what's need to be done, but but it

1999
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,080
is

2000
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,080
constant. There's not, unfortunately,

2001
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,920
there's not a lot of room for

2002
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,560
extracurricular. And I don't mean fun

2003
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,920
stuff. I mean knee-jerk reaction like,

2004
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,600
hey, I need somebody here now kind of

2005
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,400
thing. It's

2006
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:12,800
>> right.

2007
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,199
>> It's, you know, it's balancing.

2008
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:15,360
>> Yeah.

2009
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,880
>> And that that hiring market is

2010
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,400
particularly challenging right now.

2011
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:18,800
>> Yeah.

2012
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,560
>> I can imagine. Yeah.

2013
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,360
>> Okay.

2014
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:27,110
>> Any other questions,

2015
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,280
» Tom? I will tell you I do enjoy visiting

2016
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,360
your employees. They they don't mind

2017
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,120
speaking up and that's what I

2018
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,679
appreciate. I mean last year they were

2019
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:37,120
more talkative than this year but they

2020
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,600
still still like to talk but that's why

2021
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,880
I come to listen to them and hear hear

2022
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,080
what's on their mind.

2023
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,920
>> I mean I can't snap my finger and change

2024
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,840
everything but we can address some

2025
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,320
issues. Well, cool. Concern.

2026
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,400
>> You know, you know, you know when you

2027
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,080
just asked Stacy, you know, how how's

2028
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,000
the

2029
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,000
morale? And I was thinking about that

2030
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,600
for myself. I'm like, how am I going to

2031
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,840
answer if he asked me that? It depends

2032
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,239
on the date. Really?

2033
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:09,110
>> Well, it depends on the bonuses.

2034
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,880
» Yeah, it depends on the date. But I

2035
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,600
think for but you know they it's human

2036
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,320
nature to to

2037
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,440
complain or you know

2038
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:21,360
>> whatever you know I don't want to put

2039
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,320
anything out but you know but yet they

2040
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,360
steady

2041
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:26,480
>> and they're there and

2042
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:27,600
>> that's the key.

2043
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,679
>> So there's got to be something to it. So

2044
01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:31,199
you know some of them it's just their

2045
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:34,159
nature to negative negative negative.

2046
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:34,560
Yeah.

2047
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,199
>> And uh you know I'm going on my second

2048
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:41,040
year here. Amazing. And uh but I'm

2049
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,400
figuring the guys out, you know.

2050
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:43,840
>> Yeah. It takes time and

2051
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:49,520
>> some of them you're just never that's as you said it's it's human

2052
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,760
nature and everybody has a bad day.

2053
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:52,960
>> Yes, sir. It's all

2054
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:53,840
>> for whatever reason.

2055
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:54,159
>> Y

2056
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:55,920
>> but Tom, you you're doing a good job.

2057
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:56,800
Just keep it up.

2058
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:57,679
>> Thank you so much.

2059
01:18:57,679 --> 01:19:00,480
>> Yeah. Do y'all have anything?

2060
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,640
>> And you'll hear more from me on Tuesday.

2061
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,800
>> Good deal.

2062
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,040
>> All right. Next is community economic

2063
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:08,719
development. So Mary stepped out.

2064
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:09,520
>> So we'll we'll

2065
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:10,960
>> Well, but but let's go ahead and talk. I

2066
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,239
don't want to hold you up because I have

2067
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,480
some familiarity with this. Haven't done

2068
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:15,520
it before.

2069
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:16,000
>> Okay.

2070
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,080
>> Mary stepped out for an event on the

2071
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,360
Hillside CDBG project. So actually it's

2072
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:22,400
good.

2073
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:23,520
>> I feel good about the fact she's not

2074
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,600
here. And the reason she's not she will

2075
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:26,080
be back.

2076
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,440
>> Trash pickup.

2077
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:29,920
>> But uh what I was going to tell you is

2078
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,960
well now CG and I talked about this.

2079
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,800
>> The department heads know what they're

2080
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,760
doing and can report. So

2081
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,679
basically my approach today was to let

2082
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:41,760
them deal with you directly and then

2083
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,360
fill in the gaps if they need to.

2084
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:43,760
>> Yeah.

2085
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,320
>> So if Mary were here,

2086
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,080
>> she'd be doing it. But I just just want

2087
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,239
to let you know, you see all the list of

2088
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:51,760
things that that department takes care

2089
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:52,480
of.

2090
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:54,080
>> The most obvious thing we're confronting

2091
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,480
is the growth and development that

2092
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:59,600
frankly we've never seen before. So you

2093
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,120
know, the process for all that before it

2094
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:02,560
gets to you guys for approval, it's

2095
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,360
vetted and reviewed by well, Mary. I

2096
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,400
mean, she does that. She negotiates with

2097
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,080
the developers based on the zoning

2098
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:11,920
ordinance and what we want to see and

2099
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,320
tries to get them to present something

2100
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,239
that's palatable. And, you know,

2101
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:18,080
frankly, she can't force that. So, often

2102
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:19,840
times there's probably going to be a

2103
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,120
subdivision coming to you within a

2104
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,560
couple of months that's going to feature

2105
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,480
elements of things that you're going to

2106
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,000
have to talk about when it gets to you.

2107
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,520
But, she's already tried to get those

2108
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,360
things in place. And I know that because

2109
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:30,880
we did it before.

2110
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,400
>> Is that a subdivision or is that a

2111
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,800
resoning? It's a resoning, but it's a

2112
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,400
resoning because

2113
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,239
>> Let me fill in that for you.

2114
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:40,480
>> Well, you know, you go ahead.

2115
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:42,400
Process. This is all about process.

2116
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:43,920
>> Yeah, it's all about process. The

2117
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,080
general assembly basically forced us

2118
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,880
into a straight jacket with respect to

2119
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:53,120
subdivisions and site plans. Um, was

2120
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,840
last year and we got ourselves into line

2121
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,520
on that. But the principal thing was

2122
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,120
that

2123
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,080
historically subdivision plats and site

2124
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,120
plans have gone to council in Bedford.

2125
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:08,880
And we were certainly not unique that

2126
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,840
way. That was I don't want to say it was

2127
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,440
the majority way to do things, but it

2128
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:15,360
was not unusual kind of in the west of

2129
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,560
Charlottesville region of the universe.

2130
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,000
Uh but the general assembly

2131
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:28,000
in their infinite wisdom decreed that needs to be undertaken by a staff

2132
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,120
member and that council neither council

2133
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,880
nor the planning commission can have the

2134
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,520
final decision on those and it shortens

2135
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,480
the timelines for approval such that it

2136
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:40,719
would be

2137
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:43,920
extremely difficult for the council to

2138
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,440
do review even if you wanted to. So, uh,

2139
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,800
that was per state law that was moved to

2140
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:54,159
being a staff, uh, function, which means

2141
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:59,280
that your role in the process is really

2142
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,760
limited to the legislative actions of

2143
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,320
doing resonings and actions on

2144
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,120
conditional use permits. So, you're not

2145
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:08,960
looking at the final product, you're

2146
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,040
looking at the parameters that the final

2147
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,840
product's going to have to fit into.

2148
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,440
>> Okay. Thank you. Now, sometimes there

2149
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:20,159
are cases where we have by right zoning.

2150
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:22,960
Let me mention that too. In Virginia and

2151
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,080
probably most places in the United

2152
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,000
States, if you have practice zoning,

2153
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,440
there's got to be something that you are

2154
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:30,560
allowed to do by right, which means

2155
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,960
basically we might have to document a

2156
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,040
permit for that. But if you're zoned

2157
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,400
single family and you meet all the

2158
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,719
regulations, zoning ordinance, we have

2159
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:41,360
to allow you to build that house.

2160
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,280
again comprehensive plan and the zoning

2161
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,199
ordinance revisions we've done we have

2162
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:47,520
to do the best we can to anticipate what

2163
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:48,800
the community standards are and

2164
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,040
establish that but somebody enforces

2165
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,760
that and in development terms that's

2166
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,760
Mary I I'm going to refer back to mayor

2167
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,840
so the planning and zoning

2168
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,679
administration stuff particularly with

2169
01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:01,360
what we're seeing now is pretty

2170
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:02,880
intensive

2171
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,159
which is a good thing we're seeing

2172
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:07,040
growth we we say we want that now

2173
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,320
sometimes there are cases and this

2174
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:09,600
there's going to be a case coming to you

2175
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,639
soon where there's a property zoned R1

2176
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:14,400
and there are certain lot sizes that are

2177
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,800
allowed by right but developer says they

2178
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,440
want to get slightly smaller lots so

2179
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:20,800
they're going to request a reasonzoning

2180
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,560
to an appropriate category that allows

2181
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,719
that that's where they have to go

2182
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:26,880
through planning commission come to you

2183
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:29,600
guys there's a public hearing process

2184
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,440
it's somewhat negotiable but we also

2185
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:33,040
have to make sure that we manage

2186
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,040
everybody's rights

2187
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,600
>> and I can tell you process-wise

2188
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,280
having done it myself you meet with the

2189
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,199
developer They tell you their plan, you

2190
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:43,280
review it, and in light of what we've

2191
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,440
established and the changes they're

2192
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:47,040
proposing, you try to give them some

2193
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,600
guidance without overstepping.

2194
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,520
Because the other thing that changed

2195
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,679
since I started as planning director 26

2196
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:55,760
years ago was

2197
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,600
we used to make recommendations. Well,

2198
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,199
those can kind of get you in some

2199
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:01,199
trouble legally, particularly say staff

2200
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:02,880
recommends approval of something and

2201
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,920
then it doesn't go through. So about the

2202
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,239
only thing Mary can do is tell people,

2203
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:09,840
you know, this might be a problem or

2204
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,320
that might be a problem and then you've

2205
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:13,840
seen it before in other processes.

2206
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,320
Sometimes things come to you that you

2207
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,560
have to turn down because they didn't

2208
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:19,840
follow the advice

2209
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:20,159
>> and

2210
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:21,600
>> but all she can do is provide the

2211
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:22,239
advice.

2212
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:23,520
>> Correct.

2213
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,760
>> But she has to make that decision. Well,

2214
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:26,880
she she does make

2215
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,600
>> she does she manages that liability for

2216
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:29,920
like

2217
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,159
>> well I mean I'm

2218
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:34,400
think all all department has do a great

2219
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,639
job of I know Mary has a lot on her

2220
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:41,840
plate and and then I know there's areas that uh stand out but uh

2221
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,760
it's a whole lot she does that people

2222
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,199
don't know about don't see

2223
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:46,159
>> and I'm just talking about the planning

2224
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:49,040
and zoning part right now I mean we

2225
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,960
>> if you approve something then it has to

2226
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,960
be built the subdivision has to be we

2227
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:54,719
have to calculate assurityity to make

2228
01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:56,719
sure the the things they're obligated to

2229
01:24:56,719 --> 01:24:58,800
provide that we're going to take over

2230
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,360
happen. Mary manages that.

2231
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,520
>> Then on the zoning side, she manages the

2232
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,600
individual zoning permits for each unit.

2233
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,159
That's and again, you have to

2234
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:09,360
>> on the other side of that, there's the

2235
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,080
building office, which zoning says

2236
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,679
you're allowed to do a building is how

2237
01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:14,880
you do it. And there's a separate set of

2238
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,120
codes. It's got to be safe. So, we have

2239
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,080
two people doing that now managing. We

2240
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:21,760
know 800 units that have been approved

2241
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,239
that can happen anytime.

2242
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:28,000
So that in and of itself in most places,

2243
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,159
zoning and building are full-time

2244
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,080
positions in and of themselves. So I

2245
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,159
know I've heard a lot of chatter and you

2246
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:35,679
guys have too about what does Mary do.

2247
01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:37,679
That's one thing she does. That's just

2248
01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:40,800
one hat she wears. In addition, the

2249
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,480
authorities and commissions that she

2250
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:44,320
serves as staff to, of course, planning

2251
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,080
commission, I mentioned housing

2252
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,960
authority is actively engaged. The fact

2253
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,639
Mary's not here right now because

2254
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:52,239
they're doing some work to rehabilitate

2255
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:54,000
houses up.

2256
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,920
and they can do that because they have

2257
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,199
the authority to do that. Council

2258
01:25:57,199 --> 01:25:59,520
cooperates, but Mary's a sad person for

2259
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,920
that as well. Economic development

2260
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,960
authority, they're they're on the on the

2261
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,280
ground and running right now. Uh the

2262
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:08,560
middle school project, they were

2263
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:09,760
instrumental in working out the

2264
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,840
performance agreement, managing that,

2265
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,400
leveraging grants. Right now they're

2266
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,080
marketing WedoA as a

2267
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,600
metal working education site with a

2268
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:22,719
steel

2269
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:24,560
>> Mary's a staff person to that as well.

2270
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,239
So

2271
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:30,320
there are a lot of metrics that and I'll talk to individual but in this

2272
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:31,440
document I'll tell you we need to

2273
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:34,320
provide some of those are um in

2274
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,880
economical vacancy rates downtown.

2275
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,880
That's a metric we can report.

2276
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,320
>> The other thing is we have an enterprise

2277
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,120
zone which we've had for years. That's a

2278
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,800
that's an incentive program geared

2279
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,120
towards distressed communities.

2280
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,719
The good news is we're probably not

2281
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:50,400
eligible for that anymore. So the next

2282
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,239
time it's up for renewal, actually the

2283
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:55,199
program may go away, but there are a lot

2284
01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:56,800
of metrics involved in that report that

2285
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,800
we can peel out and put here. Um,

2286
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,880
>> so what what will take its place or will

2287
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:01,440
anything?

2288
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:02,960
>> Nothing because we're not economically

2289
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,199
distressed anymore. Congratulations.

2290
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:07,520
That's the bad news.

2291
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,639
>> We're doing better. We would some of the

2292
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:12,159
um

2293
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:14,400
some of the incentive programs that are

2294
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,040
tied to enterprise zone we might have

2295
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,440
authority to do on our own and we may

2296
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,760
decide that we want to continue some of

2297
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:26,800
those things on a local basis um or on a

2298
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,040
more targeted basis. But I think

2299
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,920
probably we can talk about that once we

2300
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,679
become more sure that that program is

2301
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:34,800
actually going to go away.

2302
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,120
>> Yeah. And uh the next renewal cycle is

2303
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:38,880
pretty far off. I want to say 20 34 but

2304
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,800
don't quote me on that.

2305
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,639
>> Uh but also we can provide you with

2306
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:45,040
metrics about a number of permits and

2307
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,080
inspections code enforcement also

2308
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,239
anything that's not a criminal offense

2309
01:27:50,239 --> 01:27:53,520
Jeremy and Daniel handle that mostly

2310
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,920
grass complaints which

2311
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,440
are more fun than you would expect them

2312
01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:59,440
to be. But

2313
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,880
those are the kind of things again I'm just kind of covering that to keep

2314
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,360
you guys on track. I know Woody

2315
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,800
>> if you have any questions of me I'll try

2316
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,159
to answer them but when Mary gets back

2317
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:08,719
you can

2318
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:14,159
>> Well I know we brought brought Woody on or on

2319
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,520
>> Yeah. Thank you.

2320
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,679
>> Let me mention that. So Woody who we

2321
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:19,280
have under contract right now is a

2322
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,199
consultant who does well he's

2323
01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:22,320
broadcasting this

2324
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:22,719
>> Yeah.

2325
01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:24,000
>> for us right now. And I guess you hear

2326
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,520
me back there. In fact, Woody, if you

2327
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,760
want to come out of the Batcave there

2328
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:30,560
and talk about what you're as of July

2329
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,320
1st as part of this budget, Woody will

2330
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,920
become an employee of the town. His

2331
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,120
title will be marketing and

2332
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:36,880
communications director. We have that

2333
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,000
description drafted and ready to go.

2334
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,840
He'll continue to do what he's doing for

2335
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,520
us at about the same rate just with the

2336
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,239
benefits that town employees get. I'll

2337
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:49,920
also tell you though, Woody provides a

2338
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,600
lot of services to the community with

2339
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,400
his business media squatch. We've talked

2340
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,560
to him about that that and we've I've

2341
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,080
had a few businesses come to me and

2342
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,400
express concern about him coming to work

2343
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:01,920
for town and no longer providing those

2344
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,760
services.

2345
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,040
We're going to manage that through our

2346
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:06,400
own processes, through outside

2347
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:07,840
employment, things like that. But my

2348
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,080
direction to Woody is to continue to

2349
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:11,920
provide those services to the business

2350
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,520
as long as they don't interfere with our

2351
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,159
needs and his role as an employee.

2352
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:17,840
>> And I'm on the hook for managing that.

2353
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:21,520
But really, as a you know, kind of

2354
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:23,280
concession to the community, Woody

2355
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:24,800
provides a lot of value to people beyond

2356
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,440
us and we want to allow him to continue

2357
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,520
to do that. and the degree to which

2358
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,360
that's scaled down as he ramps up things

2359
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:32,719
with the town in a little matter.

2360
01:29:32,719 --> 01:29:34,400
>> Well, that's a skill set that we'll

2361
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:35,440
benefit from.

2362
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:37,360
>> Also, you had talked in October about

2363
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,440
hiring a downtown

2364
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:42,000
marketing person. Woody volunteered to

2365
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,760
take on those resources and because I'm

2366
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,679
chief and you pay me to be chief, I'm

2367
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:47,920
letting him do it. So, we've we've

2368
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,320
incorporated uh the downtown action

2369
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:51,920
strategy as part of that job

2370
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:52,400
description.

2371
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,239
>> All I can say is turn him loose. Okay.

2372
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:54,719
>> Turn him loose.

2373
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:55,840
>> And Woody, if you want to come out and

2374
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:00,709
say anything, come on out.

2375
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:01,840
He's smart. He's just going to stay

2376
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,360
inside.

2377
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:04,560
He's a man by the

2378
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:09,669
>> It's on a little delay.

2379
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:12,560
» I was asking Jim maybe wake him up, but

2380
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:18,550
yeah, it's like a 10sec delay. So,

2381
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,400
yeah. You got any questions? I mean,

2382
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,480
it's it's a great transition for me,

2383
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:25,199
though, because I've worked for

2384
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:27,840
um I've worked with businesses for the

2385
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,719
last four or five years as a studio and

2386
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:32,400
had a lot of community leaders,

2387
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,400
community businesses, community

2388
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,800
organizations come through. So, I'm

2389
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,400
really I don't know. I feel I feel

2390
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:39,920
blessed and ahead of the game because

2391
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,159
I've already got relationships built

2392
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:44,159
that I can work with, you know, for

2393
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:47,840
downtown and for an official marketing

2394
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,760
communications capacity.

2395
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,639
>> So, it's it's I think with the town

2396
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:54,480
growing as much as it is and Mart and I

2397
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:56,239
talked about it for a couple years, this

2398
01:30:56,239 --> 01:30:59,280
it's necessary and the fact that I have

2399
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,040
already built relationships is actually

2400
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,040
a plus. And then with the downtown part,

2401
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:04,960
having experience in downtown Lynburg

2402
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,840
and stuff like that, um, It's just it's

2403
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:09,679
a win-win for me.

2404
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:11,199
>> I will say this to you, Woody, and I

2405
01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:13,520
don't know if Bart passed this on. Of

2406
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,000
course, I my office when I was working

2407
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,400
was in Lynchburg. So, I saw a lot of

2408
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,760
change and 85 flood changed the lower

2409
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,880
basin forever, but it rebuilt came up to

2410
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,560
what it is now. And you you're very

2411
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,320
familiar with that as to how it got

2412
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,800
started in the 90s and what it is today.

2413
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,280
And once he told me you knew people that

2414
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:34,639
were involved in that and all that, I

2415
01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:37,040
thought, put him to work. Yeah,

2416
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,960
>> because that's the one I refer to all

2417
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,040
the time, all the time. And that after

2418
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,199
the 85 flood, most people thought the

2419
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:44,960
lower basin should just be bulldozed

2420
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:46,960
into the James River. There was no hope.

2421
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,120
But they took those old warehouses,

2422
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,120
converted them into apartments and all

2423
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,679
that. It is just amazing what they have

2424
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:56,560
done. I mean, and where where I used to

2425
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,400
go in, we as I said earlier, we had the

2426
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,120
keys to all those vacant buildings

2427
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:02,960
>> and we go in and meet on the first

2428
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,800
floor, second floor, third floor. So,

2429
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,679
you know, old billings I like to explore

2430
01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:10,480
and and and look at them, which didn't

2431
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:12,639
do any harm, but at the same time, you

2432
01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:14,560
ought to wonder what could ever be done.

2433
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,679
Well, the 85 flood did that for them to

2434
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:20,639
where it's just amazing. And that that

2435
01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:23,679
with that mindset, you can look at what

2436
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:26,239
does downtown Bedford need, what can be

2437
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:28,400
done, and what will work.

2438
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:32,880
>> So, as I just said, turn your loose.

2439
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,080
>> Yeah. They didn't get question.

2440
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,719
>> I have a crush on enterprise. Yeah, I

2441
01:32:38,719 --> 01:32:40,560
remember when we done that,

2442
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,800
>> but I I couldn't remember we was getting

2443
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,239
any kind of funding or anything like

2444
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:44,960
that.

2445
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,280
>> Basically, it just opens doors to two

2446
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,199
specific grants that I'll mention. One

2447
01:32:49,199 --> 01:32:51,600
is a real property investment grant, but

2448
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,840
that you have to spend $100,000 to get

2449
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:55,600
the benefit of that from the state, and

2450
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,480
the other is the job creation grant. you

2451
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:01,840
have for any job you create above the

2452
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,920
prevailing market rate I think you get

2453
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,440
some money for training and things like

2454
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:07,600
that. So that's but the other thing is

2455
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,840
it also authorizes us to wave certain

2456
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,000
fees. So within the enterprise zone we

2457
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,960
wave some zoning permit fees sign permit

2458
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:16,719
things like that. So those are the

2459
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:18,400
incentives are they're basically

2460
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,600
authorized and then when people invested

2461
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,120
a certain amount it does open up other

2462
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,880
things. I was just trying to remember I

2463
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,480
couldn't remember because we talked

2464
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:28,960
about it numbers of years ago

2465
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,280
>> and um I know Mary's got the numbers on

2466
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,840
how many incentives we funded through

2467
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:34,880
that.

2468
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:36,159
>> Okay.

2469
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:38,000
>> And any more questions if y'all have to

2470
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,520
know Mary when she gets back we can ask

2471
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:43,679
them. But uh any

2472
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:46,080
>> not just so the marketing communications

2473
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,639
that include just uh overseeing events

2474
01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:51,520
and stuff in town as well?

2475
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,760
yeah, to the ex, but I do want to

2476
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,679
get your direction on events today based

2477
01:33:55,679 --> 01:33:58,000
on our current policies. Now, I will

2478
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,360
tell you the administration of events

2479
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,199
right now goes through Tom.

2480
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:01,679
>> Okay.

2481
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:04,560
>> Um, as far as direct assistance with

2482
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,159
marketing and promotion of things like

2483
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:08,880
centerfest that we know about Woody

2484
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,719
would do that and I think we've written

2485
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:12,960
that in the job description, but but if

2486
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:14,400
we haven't, we will.

2487
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:16,800
>> But I do do want you all to talk about

2488
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:18,400
the way we manage special events.

2489
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:18,719
>> Sure.

2490
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:20,320
>> Because it is a budget issue.

2491
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:21,120
>> Yeah.

2492
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:22,880
And there are things done today like the

2493
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,800
website. Woody maintains the website for

2494
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:26,639
the town and Facebook page and social

2495
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:29,120
media that includes all of that as well.

2496
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:30,800
>> And just in case anybody asked you, the

2497
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,639
contract we have with Woody, we did bid

2498
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:35,280
out. So the other bid we received was

2499
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,199
three times what we're Sorry Woody, this

2500
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:38,800
offends you. Three times what we're

2501
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,360
paying Woody currently. So we do know

2502
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:44,480
what the market is for what we're doing.

2503
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:46,960
>> So what is cheap labor?

2504
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,840
>> All All of us are, but we know that. We

2505
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,000
we're here for bigger reasons.

2506
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,600
>> What do you what he likes to do?

2507
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:54,719
>> That's right.

2508
01:34:54,719 --> 01:34:56,239
>> That's that's a better way to put it.

2509
01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:58,000
>> So, what you're asking us is to talk

2510
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,400
about the special events because of the

2511
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:01,920
cost we're paying for

2512
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,000
>> recovery. Well, our fee I'll tell

2513
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,159
>> our fees won't cover the cost of what

2514
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:06,719
we're spending.

2515
01:35:06,719 --> 01:35:09,600
>> Our fee currently recovers 20% the way

2516
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,280
it's written. Yeah. And then oftentimes

2517
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,480
we wave the fees and we get

2518
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,400
>> and then law enfor all those law

2519
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:17,840
enforcement costs all the different

2520
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,080
costs we have in

2521
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,159
>> and then my other thought was do we

2522
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:24,000
since we have Woody do we manage them on

2523
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,000
our own and do our own management of

2524
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,040
them that way. I mean because I think he

2525
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:30,960
could do as much as some of the

2526
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,159
organizations we have managing possibly

2527
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:36,080
I know it's putting a lot of woody but

2528
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,239
>> lot cheaper. I have a lot I haven't

2529
01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:40,560
Well, I don't know it be any cheaper

2530
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,199
>> cuz the others work the others we pay a

2531
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:44,960
little bit of a fee to.

2532
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,719
>> Yeah. Well, let me just since you

2533
01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:48,320
brought up Centerfest will be a good

2534
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:49,679
example. The Central Virginia Business

2535
01:35:49,679 --> 01:35:50,800
Coalition

2536
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,239
>> does that and it's a pretty involved

2537
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:54,639
event and they inherited it from Main

2538
01:35:54,639 --> 01:35:56,719
Street which is

2539
01:35:56,719 --> 01:35:59,280
>> and we do heavily we do not charge a fee

2540
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:00,639
for that. That's also in our special

2541
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:03,760
events policy. And we also are a sponsor

2542
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:05,199
of the Central Virginia Business

2543
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:08,480
Coalition. I think 5,000 or 7500 7500

2544
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:08,960
last.

2545
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,159
>> Thank you. So

2546
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:15,760
yeah, we're getting an event for $7,500,

2547
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:20,480
but we're probably paying 15 to 20,000.

2548
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:25,520
So the net is about a $7,500 cost.

2549
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,600
Now, to the point, could Woody do

2550
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,920
everything that Heather Alto does with

2551
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:31,760
Central Virginia? I don't know, and I

2552
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:32,639
don't want to

2553
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:34,000
>> I mean, if you want to respond to that,

2554
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,159
you can, but my initial response is it's

2555
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:37,920
more than one person.

2556
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,840
>> It's it's a big they do a great job.

2557
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:41,040
Yeah. update

2558
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:42,800
>> and and

2559
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,960
it's it's a it's a lot of wrangling, but

2560
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,440
I think that part of what I would like

2561
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:50,159
to do is is just for the town to have a

2562
01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:52,480
bigger presence in those events to then

2563
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:55,360
market the town and to I be more present

2564
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:56,560
for the community to come through

2565
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,960
because Centerfest is a fantastic

2566
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,360
opportunity for the town and and just

2567
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,280
that it takes place in the town is good,

2568
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,440
but the fact that we could be more

2569
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:08,480
involved and and in a way have a person

2570
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:10,960
directly working with Heather her team

2571
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,800
and and building the town's image and

2572
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:13,600
achieve better.

2573
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,119
>> Well, maybe working with the businesses

2574
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:16,159
to

2575
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:17,600
>> capitalize on that as well to give them

2576
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,440
advice about staying open or

2577
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:22,080
participating directly or selling.

2578
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,040
>> So, so we do receive So, we the you're

2579
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,440
talk the 20,000 does that come from food

2580
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:29,440
tax or we're

2581
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:31,280
>> do we get about the expense?

2582
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,760
>> No, I'm talking about do we get any fun?

2583
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:34,639
Do we get food?

2584
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:35,920
>> What's the benefit of those events?

2585
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:37,840
Well, we get meals tax and food trucks

2586
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,920
and things like that. It's not a

2587
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:41,040
substantial amount.

2588
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:41,440
>> Yeah.

2589
01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:44,000
>> Okay. So, we're Yeah. So, we're really

2590
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,840
Yeah. So, it's more of a marketing side

2591
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,400
is what we really need to use it for.

2592
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,239
>> I would agree with that.

2593
01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:50,480
>> Yeah.

2594
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:52,320
>> But we're going to talk more about that.

2595
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,159
>> And and there are certain events that

2596
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:56,000
we've identified as the institutions of

2597
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,119
themselves. the fireworks on July 3rd

2598
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:05,199
which we pay for centerfest and then the first week first Saturday in

2599
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:07,360
December there's the Christmas parade

2600
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,239
there's the Bedford YMCA 5K and there's

2601
01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:12,159
been the tree lighting thing and all of

2602
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:14,000
those are things that we do not charge

2603
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,440
fees for because they are legacy events

2604
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:19,440
from either Main Street andor our

2605
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:21,679
recreation department or other things

2606
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:24,400
that we think the community has come to

2607
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,320
expect the town to provide

2608
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,320
>> and and I will say it's kind of like uh

2609
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,040
centerfest. Heather and her group does a

2610
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:32,800
great job on the parade. Also, they get

2611
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,920
it organized and it's pretty tedious. I

2612
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:39,840
mean, when you have 100 plus uh contest

2613
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,760
or people who want to be in the parade

2614
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:45,440
and you get them numbered and and when I

2615
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:47,760
was in it this year, this last year,

2616
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,760
last December, she told me exactly where

2617
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:51,920
I needed to be, behind, what person and

2618
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:53,679
all that. I mean, she had it down to a

2619
01:38:53,679 --> 01:38:57,679
tea. So she and

2620
01:38:57,679 --> 01:38:59,199
what good luck on that?

2621
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:00,800
>> No, she they do a great job.

2622
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,080
>> Yeah, they do a great job. I think

2623
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,080
there's just some things that we'd have

2624
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,159
to think good and long about if we

2625
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:08,000
wanted to pass them to someone else.

2626
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,080
>> And again, not on I understand at least

2627
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,760
one of you is involved in a parade event

2628
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,080
coming up. And that's

2629
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:15,760
>> quite an exercise in hurting cats, isn't

2630
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:16,000
it?

2631
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,520
>> Yes, it is.

2632
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,080
>> All right. Anything else? But we'll talk

2633
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,480
to John on electric and we'll take a

2634
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:24,880
break. So, John, what you got for us?

2635
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,520
What I can see your no goals or no

2636
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,520
measurements, but uh tell us what's

2637
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:31,040
going on.

2638
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:32,800
>> Well, obviously our number one priority

2639
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,679
is keeping the power on and trying to do

2640
01:39:35,679 --> 01:39:38,239
that as at a reasonable price or the

2641
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:40,800
lowest price we can do it. Also, uh

2642
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,840
safety of our employees is is paramount

2643
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:44,639
to us.

2644
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:45,040
>> Yes.

2645
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,040
>> Uh I always tell our guys, the most

2646
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:48,159
important thing you're going to do today

2647
01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:51,280
is come home safely tonight.

2648
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:55,040
Um so uh that's where we're going.

2649
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:57,119
Obviously we're trying to focus on our

2650
01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:00,960
power cost uh which has uh grown over

2651
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,199
the past but we've taken some steps. The

2652
01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:06,800
first one being the purchase from PTOAC

2653
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:10,480
to uh hedge a greater portion of our

2654
01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:12,239
cost. So we know what those costs are

2655
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:14,000
going to be. They will be fixed once we

2656
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,360
go forward. So they're not going to be

2657
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:16,880
increasing.

2658
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:18,960
We also have a a whole slate of

2659
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,000
short-term purchases which BART is going

2660
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,760
to approve or has approved. I don't know

2661
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,000
where it stands, but we uh that will

2662
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,040
help uh hedge our future cost for the

2663
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,040
next year. Those are all short-term p

2664
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,679
purchases of one or two or three months.

2665
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:35,920
They're not long-term, but we look at

2666
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:39,280
the market continually. Uh I feel like

2667
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:41,040
sometimes I'm standing in quicksand

2668
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:43,600
because the market changes so much, not

2669
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,159
only from day to day, but hour to hour.

2670
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:48,400
There's all sorts of world events. You

2671
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:49,920
know, this thing going on with the

2672
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:52,239
Straight of Hormuz. How does that affect

2673
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:54,159
the town of Bedford? Well, it pushes

2674
01:40:54,159 --> 01:40:56,719
prices up, pushes market prices up, it

2675
01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:59,600
pushes diesel fuel cost up, all those

2676
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,239
things. So, we have a whole range of

2677
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:04,880
things that impact our budget, but we

2678
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:06,880
have a limited control over those

2679
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,920
things. So, it's very hard to say, okay,

2680
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:11,520
uh, one of your goals should be to

2681
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:14,480
reduce power cost. Well, if I controlled

2682
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:16,880
all the factors that impact power costs,

2683
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,119
I'd be comfortable with that. But I do

2684
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:21,520
not control those things. Those are

2685
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:23,760
things that just come at us. And one

2686
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:25,679
thing I want to point out in this budget

2687
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:27,920
is we've always paid a certain portion

2688
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:29,760
of administration,

2689
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,679
uh, treasury, finance, all those things.

2690
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:35,119
But that was always buried in in the

2691
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:37,520
actual accounts. this year. I think it's

2692
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:41,199
a good idea that uh that um Ann has

2693
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:43,199
broken that out separately so you see it

2694
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:46,719
now laid out clearly what those are. Uh

2695
01:41:46,719 --> 01:41:48,880
and I think that this year our

2696
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,560
allocation has probably increased a

2697
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,920
little bit. Um so that's another area of

2698
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,400
our budget where all these things come

2699
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,600
at us, but we don't control that. Okay?

2700
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,520
Now, I'm not saying anybody's making

2701
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:03,360
imprudent decisions. I'm just saying

2702
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,520
that everything you see in our budget is

2703
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:06,880
not under our control.

2704
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:09,360
>> Yeah. I think we got we we have learned

2705
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:10,560
that.

2706
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,480
>> Right. Right. But we're working

2707
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:16,080
diligently to to make our energy supply

2708
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:18,880
sustainable uh as low as cost as

2709
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,440
possible and to try and further insulate

2710
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:24,239
against those events like we had last

2711
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:27,520
January and February where we had a mini

2712
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:32,719
uh polar vortex where we had those cold temperatures for such a long time.

2713
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:36,159
Uh this year we're going to be have a

2714
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:38,960
greater portion of our energy hedged so

2715
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,360
we'll be immune to those effects. So, as

2716
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:44,239
I look down the road, I don't see power

2717
01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:47,280
costs increasing in a step way the way

2718
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,040
they have in the past, like when our

2719
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,800
capacity cost went up by 500%. I don't

2720
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:56,239
see that happening in the future. So,

2721
01:42:56,239 --> 01:42:57,840
>> so it's a little more stabilization,

2722
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,600
>> a little bit more stabilization, greater

2723
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,560
percentage for energy hedging. So, as a

2724
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:03,840
result of that, and it's not really

2725
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,320
reflected in this budget, we'll probably

2726
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,320
be selling more energy on the market

2727
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:10,639
because we're we're hedging a higher

2728
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:13,040
percent to reduce our risk. Okay?

2729
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:14,560
>> So, that means we'll probably have a

2730
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:16,239
little excess energy to sell from time

2731
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:20,000
to time. But we work diligently with AMP

2732
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,400
and all the planning people there, all

2733
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,480
the weather forecasting folks. And by

2734
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:27,199
the way, we subscribe to a high level

2735
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:29,679
weather uh long-term forecasting service

2736
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:31,840
which I can make available to you folks

2737
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:33,119
because they give us regular

2738
01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:36,080
presentations on what's going on this

2739
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,639
summer. They're expecting slightly

2740
01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:40,880
warmer than normal temperatures and

2741
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,360
slightly drier than normal.

2742
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:43,840
>> Okay.

2743
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,600
>> So, what does that do for us?

2744
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:46,320
>> Wow.

2745
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,080
>> More air conditioning, probably more

2746
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,239
fires as a result of that.

2747
01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:53,119
uh more air conditioning loads and less

2748
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,840
water for the hydro plants.

2749
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,560
So, that's probably not a good thing.

2750
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,280
>> Uh but uh I'd be happy to share all that

2751
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:02,719
information with you if you find it

2752
01:44:02,719 --> 01:44:03,679
interesting.

2753
01:44:03,679 --> 01:44:05,280
>> How about more wind?

2754
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:09,040
>> I wish. I wish. Well, Stacey, he doesn't

2755
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:10,400
want more wind because that makes the

2756
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:12,400
fires worse.

2757
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:13,840
>> That flames the fires,

2758
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:16,000
>> right? Well, that brings up an

2759
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,280
interesting point which we haven't

2760
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,280
talked about in the past. In California,

2761
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:20,880
for example, where they've had all those

2762
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,600
wildfires over the past few years, many

2763
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,239
of them have been caused by electrical

2764
01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:28,239
failures.

2765
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:30,560
You know, a power line gets shorted out,

2766
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,199
it sparks, it starts a wildfire. Well,

2767
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:35,520
in California now, they're making the

2768
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:39,040
utilities pay for those costs.

2769
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,360
We should check with our insurance that

2770
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,119
we have some protection against

2771
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:44,639
wildfires

2772
01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:47,440
>> going forward. It hasn't come to that

2773
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:50,719
point here in Virginia yet, but since

2774
01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:54,320
Virginia is becoming California East,

2775
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:56,639
>> I wouldn't be surprised if it hits us at

2776
01:44:56,639 --> 01:44:58,880
some point. So, we want to make sure we

2777
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:00,719
have some insurance against that. Stacy,

2778
01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:02,159
you probably know more about this than

2779
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:02,560
I, but

2780
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,159
>> Well, we had the recent events up

2781
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:05,920
towards Big Island, but you're

2782
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,239
>> guess make sure the fire hydrants work.

2783
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:10,239
>> And while we're in, we have started our

2784
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:11,679
hydrant season and all that, but

2785
01:45:11,679 --> 01:45:13,440
unfortunately where this happens, there

2786
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:16,320
aren't any hydrants. Oh, that's right.

2787
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:20,960
>> Yeah. So, we just had one and it was a

2788
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:24,960
luckily wasn't the town but out the way.

2789
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:29,760
Not that way. Sure. Not sorry. Forestry

2790
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,719
>> put a line around it. So, go back out

2791
01:45:32,719 --> 01:45:35,840
there the next day forestry. But it does

2792
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:37,760
happen and we're not we're not immune to

2793
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:38,800
it.

2794
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:39,600
>> It's here.

2795
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:42,159
>> Yeah. It can happen anywhere.

2796
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:44,960
>> Yep. So with drier conditions, uh,

2797
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:46,560
probably have a pretty healthy fire

2798
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,239
season coming

2799
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:51,520
>> and, uh, unfortunately,

2800
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,520
so that's basically what I want to say.

2801
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,760
As Bart said, we concentrate on our

2802
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,400
response times. And that's one thing we

2803
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,480
do get complimented from our customers

2804
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:02,400
is they make a call, we're there within

2805
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,280
15, 20 minutes, and they find that very

2806
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:08,480
comforting. Uh and I think our outage

2807
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:10,320
management system has gone a long way to

2808
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:13,199
improve our response times because now

2809
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:15,760
uh after hours for example the duty

2810
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,480
person will get that information

2811
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:20,480
immediately. He doesn't have to wait for

2812
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:22,400
what happens at dispatch or anything

2813
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:24,560
like that. He gets that information

2814
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:26,480
immediately and he can roll as soon as

2815
01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:29,119
he gets it. So that's been a big help

2816
01:46:29,119 --> 01:46:30,960
for us is is our outage management

2817
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:32,719
system.

2818
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:34,639
uh we do kind of have our own internal

2819
01:46:34,639 --> 01:46:37,760
IT because we have our own SCADA system

2820
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,520
which is completely separate from the

2821
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,400
outside world uh and that's for security

2822
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:46,159
purposes but there will be more uh

2823
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:48,960
internet security cyber security uh

2824
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,040
requirements coming down to us and

2825
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:52,960
probably to the town in general but

2826
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:56,400
definitely to us as an electric utility.

2827
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,840
So um and then within PJM which is Mr.

2828
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:01,520
Mayor you know what PJM is. Yeah, all

2829
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:02,159
too well.

2830
01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:04,960
>> Um, it it's kind of the overseer of of

2831
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,920
the grid in our region. There's all

2832
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,920
sorts of turmoil there now. We just

2833
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,080
don't know what's going to happen.

2834
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,960
>> And, uh, prices are kind of topped out

2835
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:16,719
for the next year or two, but after

2836
01:47:16,719 --> 01:47:18,960
that, you know, we don't know what's

2837
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,600
going to happen. So, all we can do is be

2838
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,840
as prepared as we can. At the same time,

2839
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,040
we're trying to move forward with

2840
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:26,800
several projects. One of those being

2841
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,199
expanded capacity at Snowden, which is

2842
01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:30,880
going to take a long time. It's going to

2843
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,360
be a long-term project. We've got some

2844
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:37,360
tobacco money to address that. Um the

2845
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:40,560
other is working with AMP on more local

2846
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,199
generation here in town, peaking units

2847
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:46,239
like we have on Arm Street. Uh of course

2848
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:47,679
we're always looking at things like

2849
01:47:47,679 --> 01:47:50,800
battery storage. Um I'm hoping that some

2850
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,639
genius like Elon Musk comes up with a

2851
01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:54,239
new battery system that changes the

2852
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:56,159
world.

2853
01:47:56,159 --> 01:47:59,119
Um but um so we're constantly looking at

2854
01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:02,560
options time. It takes time to evaluate

2855
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:04,400
those options and it's even slower to

2856
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:08,000
implement them. You hear the train now.

2857
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,639
Let me give you an example. Yesterday we

2858
01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:13,760
were scheduled uh with Norfolk Southern

2859
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,639
to make a crossing uh over the railroad

2860
01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:19,520
to get to the Wenoa property. Uh this

2861
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,000
has been in the works for six months at

2862
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,480
least. So, there's a process you go

2863
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:28,080
through to permit uh to get time to work

2864
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:29,679
around the railroad and get across the

2865
01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:31,760
railroad.

2866
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:34,000
It requires a flagger. Believe it or

2867
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,119
not, the railroad has flaggers. Anyway,

2868
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:38,960
we scheduled all this through the

2869
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:41,600
railroad, got all our permits, paid all

2870
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,840
our fees. We show up there yesterday

2871
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,560
morning at 9:00. The flaggers show up

2872
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,000
and say, "You're not going to be able to

2873
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,239
get across today." What? What do you

2874
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:51,600
mean? We got a permit. It says right

2875
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,679
here we get across. No, there was a

2876
01:48:53,679 --> 01:48:56,320
derailment in West Virginia and now

2877
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:57,840
we're going to have more trains coming

2878
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,080
through here than normal. You have no

2879
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,119
time to get across. So we had marshaled

2880
01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:05,520
all of our people there. We had to set

2881
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,960
up everything and also some people from

2882
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,719
Norolk Southern showed up said, "Hey,

2883
01:49:10,719 --> 01:49:12,480
what are you doing? You can't be here."

2884
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:14,000
Well, wait a second. We have a permit

2885
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,040
says we can cross today. Can't do it

2886
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:18,960
because of the derailment in West

2887
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:20,480
Virginia. So it would have been nice if

2888
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:21,679
they told you that.

2889
01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:24,080
>> It would have been nice, but that's not

2890
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,000
the way the railroad works. You know,

2891
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:27,920
they have their own set of their own

2892
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:29,679
world that they operate in.

2893
01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:30,560
>> I understand that.

2894
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,320
>> And everybody that's not affiliated with

2895
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:33,760
the railroad is you're you're

2896
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:35,360
insignificant.

2897
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:38,080
>> So we had two crews there. We had all

2898
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,639
these people, all this equipment, and we

2899
01:49:40,639 --> 01:49:42,400
kind of wasted our morning waiting to

2900
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,239
get across the railroad, which we never

2901
01:49:44,239 --> 01:49:46,000
got the clearance to do.

2902
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,159
>> So that's still a project to be done

2903
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:49,440
>> to be done. and we're going to have to

2904
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:53,040
pay again for another set of permits and

2905
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:54,960
to try and coordinate with the

2906
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,679
railroads. Finally, the railroad the the

2907
01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:00,239
workers said to us, "You know what? It's

2908
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:02,000
best if you do this on a Saturday or

2909
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,199
Sunday. You might get across them." But

2910
01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:07,119
the people in the office in Atlanta,

2911
01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:09,119
Georgia, no, they don't want you to come

2912
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:10,560
on a Saturday or Sunday because they

2913
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:12,239
have to schedule somebody on overtime to

2914
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:13,760
be there with you.

2915
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:14,639
>> And so do you.

2916
01:50:14,639 --> 01:50:17,360
>> And so do we. So, I don't know when

2917
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:18,800
we'll get it. We'll keep trying, but

2918
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,719
that's the that's the world we live in.

2919
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:22,080
>> It's the nature of the beast.

2920
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:23,840
>> We don't have control of all of these

2921
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:24,400
factors.

2922
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:27,040
>> That's right. Now, most of the time, we

2923
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:28,880
feel like a punching bag. We We do our

2924
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:31,520
best. We follow the rules, but it

2925
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,960
doesn't always work out the way we hope.

2926
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:37,760
>> Thank you, John. Any questions?

2927
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:41,040
I mean, we'll come back tomorrow. Y'all

2928
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:43,440
good? Thank you, John. I appreciate it.

2929
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:45,199
And your your employees are good, too.

2930
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:47,040
even though they don't talk as much as

2931
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,360
Tomms, but they're still good, but

2932
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,760
they're a dedicated bunch. And by being

2933
01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:53,679
around them a number of times, they know

2934
01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:56,239
what they're doing. And and and they

2935
01:50:56,239 --> 01:50:58,719
strike me again as a bunch who they know

2936
01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:00,159
their job. They know what has to be

2937
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:02,320
done. They just go out and do it. But

2938
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:03,520
let me just add one thing about

2939
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:05,520
employees. I we have a great group of

2940
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,760
guys now. We have a bunch of younger

2941
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:09,280
guys going through the apprentice

2942
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:11,360
program and working their way through to

2943
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,239
get experience. We just lost another

2944
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:16,560
fellow to Salem. Oh.

2945
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,800
>> So, since I've been here, we've lost 10%

2946
01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:22,400
of our workforce to Salem.

2947
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,480
>> Are you fully staffed now or how? Not

2948
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:25,040
obviously.

2949
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,360
>> I think we have two slots open.

2950
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:28,560
>> A a lineman.

2951
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,960
>> Uh the guy that left was an apprentice.

2952
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:31,440
>> Okay.

2953
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:33,520
>> We'd like to hire an A-lineman, but we

2954
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:36,400
just we just have no luck hiring a

2955
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:37,040
lineman.

2956
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:38,560
>> What What are your numbers fully

2957
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:39,679
staffed?

2958
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:41,520
>> 25 or 26?

2959
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:42,719
>> 25. Okay.

2960
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:45,119
>> Yeah, I think we have one slot on the

2961
01:51:45,119 --> 01:51:48,239
tree crew and one apprentice or a a any

2962
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:50,000
a lineman if we could hire them, but we

2963
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,239
just have been hiring apprentices.

2964
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:52,800
>> Okay.

2965
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:53,840
>> So, we are

2966
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:55,599
>> we did just have somebody join us who

2967
01:51:55,599 --> 01:51:57,760
took a pay cut to come here. Now,

2968
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,760
>> obviously those results are not typical,

2969
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:02,000
but I think it does speak to the fact

2970
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,520
that John's doing something right.

2971
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:03,840
>> Yeah.

2972
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,400
I I think as far as morale goes,

2973
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,719
it's improved greatly since I came here

2974
01:52:08,719 --> 01:52:11,520
11 years ago. uh when I got here they

2975
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:14,400
were ready to kill each other uh which

2976
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:17,040
is not probably it's not unusual within

2977
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:20,239
a lineman culture but uh I think we're

2978
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:26,000
we've got a much better morale now and uh you know our our basic thing is

2979
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,920
of course salaries are always an issue

2980
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,599
for us and um every one of those guys

2981
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:32,960
could go someplace else and make more

2982
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:33,520
money

2983
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:34,639
>> but they're not doing it

2984
01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:35,840
>> they're not doing it

2985
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:36,320
>> right

2986
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:37,840
>> well I mean you're right and I've said

2987
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:41,119
this a number of times Utility workers

2988
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:43,360
have their own language and their own

2989
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,360
way of doing things and their own

2990
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,440
attitude. So, you have to understand

2991
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:48,320
that.

2992
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,560
>> But, but they work together.

2993
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:51,760
>> Yes, they do.

2994
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,360
>> We appreciate what you're doing, John.

2995
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,040
>> Thank you.

2996
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,199
>> All right, let's take a 10-minute break,

2997
01:52:57,199 --> 01:52:58,480
come back, we'll get into the meat of

2998
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:00,719
the thing, and I think Deborah will

2999
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:03,360
probably have a look for us. All right,

3000
01:53:03,360 --> 02:09:57,030
go stretch out some.

3001
02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:09,350
Guess

3002
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:13,669
he learned to stir the pot.

3003
02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:15,360
Everybody's back. Let's get going again.

3004
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:17,040
Uh,

3005
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:19,520
>> it was it was asked of me, do we want to

3006
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:22,480
look at community agency funding on page

3007
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:25,199
54? So, whatever comment you all have,

3008
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:26,639
let's take a look at it. I think that's

3009
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:27,440
pretty simple.

3010
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:29,679
>> That's that's my thought.

3011
02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:30,960
>> Yes.

3012
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:31,920
>> Any any comments?

3013
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:33,440
>> Because we have access don't mean that

3014
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:35,840
everybody else. I think that's pretty

3015
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:38,719
much need.

3016
02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:42,159
I appreciate that.

3017
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:43,440
>> Are we okay with that?

3018
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:43,920
>> Yes.

3019
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:45,199
>> Okay.

3020
02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:46,800
>> That's a grant anyway.

3021
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:49,440
>> Yes, it is. Okay. From this point on,

3022
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:51,520
you all whatever you all have on your

3023
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:59,589
plate to talk about, let let it go.

3024
02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:01,199
or do you want to go through each

3025
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:02,800
category

3026
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:05,199
CIP and so forth or how do you'all want

3027
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:06,400
to do this?

3028
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:07,599
>> I said let's just go through the

3029
02:11:07,599 --> 02:11:11,280
categories we be jumping around

3030
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:11,679
everything

3031
02:11:11,679 --> 02:11:15,350
>> I'm with you. Okay.

3032
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:17,440
Then

3033
02:11:17,440 --> 02:11:24,470
the next is financials.

3034
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:27,440
Who's doing that? Ann

3035
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:29,280
Well, I mean, it's, you know, we kind of

3036
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:31,199
we just did the third quarter report to

3037
02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:34,159
you current year. We the biggest

3038
02:11:34,159 --> 02:11:37,199
adjustment is uh where we're recording

3039
02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:38,880
these expenses more in the electric

3040
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:41,990
fund.

3041
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,480
Yeah, that section has trends, graphs,

3042
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:47,119
it discusses processes. It's got a chart

3043
02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:50,000
in there about the different general

3044
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:53,520
ledger codes and who is associated with

3045
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:56,960
those codes like department wise. Um,

3046
02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:58,480
this section really is to help you

3047
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:01,119
understand the general ledger reports

3048
02:12:01,119 --> 02:12:03,040
that are at the back of the budget.

3049
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:05,280
>> It talks about the enterprise funds and

3050
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:09,589
all that.

3051
02:12:09,599 --> 02:12:11,520
So y'all, what questions do you have on

3052
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:13,280
this one?

3053
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:16,000
>> Well,

3054
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:19,760
hey, on page page 64, then I just had a

3055
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:22,000
quick question of why like under the

3056
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:24,079
general fund undeid fund balance, there

3057
02:12:24,079 --> 02:12:27,440
was a a big jump in the 22 to 23.

3058
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:29,199
>> I was just wondering what that

3059
02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:31,040
>> Yeah, that's really when we used

3060
02:12:31,040 --> 02:12:32,800
American Rescue Plan Act funding to

3061
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:34,480
recover some of our public safety

3062
02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:36,639
expenses.

3063
02:12:36,639 --> 02:12:42,390
>> All righty.

3064
02:12:42,400 --> 02:12:45,040
Take 65

3065
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:47,119
the under business type activity

3066
02:12:47,119 --> 02:12:54,560
self-sufficiency fund says that uh the solid waste fund is at 89%. So will

3067
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:56,079
that look that's going to look better

3068
02:12:56,079 --> 02:12:56,960
this year?

3069
02:12:56,960 --> 02:12:58,639
>> Correct. Yes. This is based on the last

3070
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:01,040
audited financial statement.

3071
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:02,800
>> So based on what we've done it'll

3072
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:05,119
probably be closer to 100% or closer to

3073
02:13:05,119 --> 02:13:07,520
it. I think in 26 it's still going to be

3074
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:10,239
slightly under 100% because we're still

3075
02:13:10,239 --> 02:13:12,239
making changes, but as of the budget

3076
02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:14,639
that we're putting forward in 27, it

3077
02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:25,350
should be at 100%. Cool. But

3078
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:27,360
» I do want to make a comment on that

3079
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:29,920
graph on page 65 for solid waste

3080
02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:32,239
unrestricted net position. You'll see

3081
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:34,320
that we had a rather large negative

3082
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:36,719
balance. What's included in that is

3083
02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:38,960
unfunded pension liabilities. So that's

3084
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:42,159
DRS. Also, when we close the landfill,

3085
02:13:42,159 --> 02:13:44,639
we had a very large payable recorded to

3086
02:13:44,639 --> 02:13:48,480
the general fund. And so we used cash to

3087
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:50,880
basically pay that off and say, you know

3088
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:52,800
what, it's always time you no longer owe

3089
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:54,880
us this liability. And so that is why

3090
02:13:54,880 --> 02:13:57,199
that increased greatly in 23.

3091
02:13:57,199 --> 02:13:58,719
>> Okay.

3092
02:13:58,719 --> 02:14:04,000
But we'll I mean, but the trend will stay the same in the out

3093
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:05,599
years. I mean, those stuff will start to

3094
02:14:05,599 --> 02:14:06,719
be negative.

3095
02:14:06,719 --> 02:14:08,639
>> It will as long as that's on what we

3096
02:14:08,639 --> 02:14:10,880
call a full acral basis of accounting

3097
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:12,480
because we're seeing those net pension

3098
02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:14,079
liabilities out there that are rather

3099
02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:16,239
large. And that's BRS. When you hear me

3100
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:23,510
say pension, it's the retirement system.

3101
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:26,400
» I did like the note in on page 66, your

3102
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:28,960
long range financial planning for I did

3103
02:14:28,960 --> 02:14:30,800
like the note down toward the last

3104
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:32,239
paragraph about the everinccreasing

3105
02:14:32,239 --> 02:14:34,320
inflation in both personnel. operating

3106
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:36,719
costs while revenues are not growing at

3107
02:14:36,719 --> 02:14:38,239
the same inflationary rate.

3108
02:14:38,239 --> 02:14:38,639
>> Yeah.

3109
02:14:38,639 --> 02:14:41,760
>> So, we're spending more than coming in.

3110
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:42,880
>> Absolutely.

3111
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:44,719
>> I know we had that discussion in a

3112
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:46,400
department meeting with the new

3113
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:48,159
construction coming on off independence

3114
02:14:48,159 --> 02:14:49,679
and what that'll bring in in real estate

3115
02:14:49,679 --> 02:14:51,840
taxes. And when you calculate what our

3116
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:54,480
28 cents brings in, it's so much smaller

3117
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:56,800
than you imagine. Very little revenue

3118
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:59,679
compared to growth.

3119
02:14:59,679 --> 02:15:02,239
Yeah, that's another topic for

3120
02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:06,550
discussion at some point

3121
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:09,599
» and this Okay, so I'm sorry. Sorry, I'm

3122
02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:11,199
doing all the time. You guys will jump

3123
02:15:11,199 --> 02:15:11,920
in.

3124
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:12,719
>> That's why we're here.

3125
02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:14,719
>> Okay, but the on the where it says debt,

3126
02:15:14,719 --> 02:15:16,320
no additional debt is included in the

3127
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:19,599
forecast. That's I mean I guess that's

3128
02:15:19,599 --> 02:15:22,320
general fund stuff, but we are including

3129
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:24,560
looking at debt for the capital

3130
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:25,520
improvement, right?

3131
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:27,119
>> That's right. So, it's included in

3132
02:15:27,119 --> 02:15:28,800
contingency because we don't know what

3133
02:15:28,800 --> 02:15:31,280
that is yet. We kind of have four of

3134
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:33,040
those numbers on what the annual payment

3135
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:35,280
is and we've set it in contingency for

3136
02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:35,679
that.

3137
02:15:35,679 --> 02:15:41,910
>> Okay.

3138
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:44,800
» So, do you think on page 67 current real

3139
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:47,520
estate tax said we we won't give it you

3140
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:49,520
don't anticipate a huge increase then

3141
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:51,520
based on how about the reassessment? You

3142
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:53,280
think we'll get a little bump there? I'm

3143
02:15:53,280 --> 02:15:55,599
hoping we will because every time we do

3144
02:15:55,599 --> 02:15:58,480
a reassessment it does go up. I mean the

3145
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:01,760
last two times it's gone up about 20,000

3146
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:04,000
a year. So I'm thinking that we'll get

3147
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:07,040
another bump like that again.

3148
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:10,239
>> The last one did that include when the

3149
02:16:10,239 --> 02:16:12,000
real estate

3150
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:14,560
values went sky high or

3151
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:17,520
>> we had a we had a blend going on that

3152
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:18,560
year because we had the boundary

3153
02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:20,960
adjustment and we had a reassessment.

3154
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:22,880
>> Okay. So we had two factors that

3155
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:24,320
contributed. You'll see real estate

3156
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:26,400
taxes went up greatly

3157
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:28,639
>> from fiscal year 23 to 24.

3158
02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:29,840
>> Yeah.

3159
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:32,240
>> Okay.

3160
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:33,840
>> I just saying as you as you're talking

3161
02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:36,719
about taxes in here and I'll flip back

3162
02:16:36,719 --> 02:16:40,000
to the page 14 comparing us to other

3163
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:41,920
communities.

3164
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:44,000
Ours is

3165
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:48,639
probably behind uh Lynchburg and Venton.

3166
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:51,359
Ours is probably one of the higher ones.

3167
02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:54,880
And so I was kind of how are the other

3168
02:16:54,880 --> 02:16:57,599
ones

3169
02:16:57,599 --> 02:16:59,359
performing as compared? Yeah. How are

3170
02:16:59,359 --> 02:17:01,760
they keeping them so low? Yeah. And and

3171
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:03,359
the other thing that I noticed on that

3172
02:17:03,359 --> 02:17:06,950
same graph,

3173
02:17:06,960 --> 02:17:10,080
our town's percent or contributions to

3174
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:14,080
the total tax town and county, uh it

3175
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:16,719
seems to be a little higher than what

3176
02:17:16,719 --> 02:17:20,000
the other towns are are paying for the

3177
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:22,559
are charging for the taxes. So,

3178
02:17:22,559 --> 02:17:25,200
>> it just depends. Every locality has

3179
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:27,840
their own flavor I will say of how they

3180
02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:31,280
charge revenues to pay for services and

3181
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:33,679
I think it depends on what the community

3182
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:35,519
can afford to pay and what where they

3183
02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:37,599
were willing to pay it. So ours has been

3184
02:17:37,599 --> 02:17:39,679
on real estate tax primarily because we

3185
02:17:39,679 --> 02:17:41,920
were a city and when we reverted we kept

3186
02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:44,479
a stable rate with the county and so we

3187
02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:46,080
said okay our citizens are used to

3188
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:47,840
paying this real estate tax and we want

3189
02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:50,000
to keep it that way and so that's where

3190
02:17:50,000 --> 02:17:52,479
the reversion had us at a higher rate

3191
02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:53,760
than those towns.

3192
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:54,960
>> Now there's other things that other

3193
02:17:54,960 --> 02:17:57,120
towns are charging that we are not that

3194
02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:59,519
could blend. So, for example, our

3195
02:17:59,519 --> 02:18:01,359
neighbors in Benton and Rocky Mountain

3196
02:18:01,359 --> 02:18:04,240
have a license fee that we are not

3197
02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:06,880
charging. That brings in around $120,000

3198
02:18:06,880 --> 02:18:07,679
a year.

3199
02:18:07,679 --> 02:18:09,599
>> I mean, there's other things that they

3200
02:18:09,599 --> 02:18:11,280
are charging, but we are not like

3201
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:14,880
machinery tools. And the issue is is

3202
02:18:14,880 --> 02:18:17,519
that those localities are used to pay

3203
02:18:17,519 --> 02:18:19,120
it. There's a certain steadiness

3204
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:20,719
involved in it. And so, whenever you

3205
02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:22,399
talk about change,

3206
02:18:22,399 --> 02:18:24,559
>> you're changing what people are paying,

3207
02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:27,200
what they're used to paying. So in

3208
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:29,519
Bedford's case, I think we have had a

3209
02:18:29,519 --> 02:18:32,000
higher real estate tax because our our

3210
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:33,599
residents were used to paying that

3211
02:18:33,599 --> 02:18:36,000
combined total rate as a city and so

3212
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:38,240
it's just kind of continued. But there

3213
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:40,080
are other ways you could become more

3214
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:42,000
competitive like a vehicle license fee.

3215
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:44,319
You'll see many towns charge that. We

3216
02:18:44,319 --> 02:18:47,040
don't. And then machinery and tools,

3217
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:50,160
many towns charge that. We do not. And

3218
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:52,000
then the business license, we have much

3219
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:54,080
lower rates than most of our neighbors.

3220
02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:55,439
Although you have to go to each

3221
02:18:55,439 --> 02:18:58,319
individual uh locality to see their

3222
02:18:58,319 --> 02:19:00,559
rates because there's such a difference

3223
02:19:00,559 --> 02:19:05,349
how people are charging and what

3224
02:19:05,359 --> 02:19:07,280
I hope that helps. The other thing is um

3225
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:09,920
our next door neighbor, the town of

3226
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:13,200
Benton, they have a really low tax rate,

3227
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:15,439
but they also have special legislation

3228
02:19:15,439 --> 02:19:17,599
that allows them to get full percentage

3229
02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:20,000
of sales tax from the county. I believe

3230
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:21,280
they're the only town in the state of

3231
02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:23,679
Virginia that gets that. But their sales

3232
02:19:23,679 --> 02:19:25,679
tax coming in is more than double what

3233
02:19:25,679 --> 02:19:27,120
we were receiving. They get about a

3234
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:28,880
million a year in from the county. That

3235
02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:32,240
balances their budget.

3236
02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:35,519
>> But don't they also pay tax to Reno

3237
02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:36,240
County?

3238
02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:36,800
>> Mhm.

3239
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:37,280
>> Yes.

3240
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:38,960
>> Which is what, a dollar and something?

3241
02:19:38,960 --> 02:19:40,160
>> 340.

3242
02:19:40,160 --> 02:19:40,719
>> Yes.

3243
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:43,760
So yeah.

3244
02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:46,399
So, I mean, I I heard I've heard people

3245
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:49,040
talk about how low that tax rate is, but

3246
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:50,800
and I don't get into any back and forth.

3247
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:54,000
I'm thinking it's just like the town, we

3248
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:56,640
pay the county tax also.

3249
02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:58,160
>> So, they're doing that around the

3250
02:19:58,160 --> 02:19:58,560
county.

3251
02:19:58,560 --> 02:19:59,840
>> Correct. That's right.

3252
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:02,479
>> Okay.

3253
02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:03,680
>> Yeah. And that's where when I was

3254
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:05,840
talking about real estate tax, I was

3255
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:07,280
comparing the town and the county

3256
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:08,000
together.

3257
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:08,319
>> Yeah.

3258
02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:10,000
>> For all of them. And that's where town

3259
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:11,760
of Venton actually is the highest it

3260
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:12,960
looks like. M

3261
02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:14,560
>> Oh, other than Ron Oak City, right,

3262
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:17,359
>> and Salem,

3263
02:20:17,359 --> 02:20:20,160
>> but the out of the towns, Benton was the

3264
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:22,960
highest.

3265
02:20:22,960 --> 02:20:25,439
>> Yeah.

3266
02:20:25,439 --> 02:20:27,520
>> All right.

3267
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:31,680
So, meal tits. Um, we got I remember I

3268
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:35,040
mentioned this assess a while back about

3269
02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:38,960
looking into we trending that we making

3270
02:20:38,960 --> 02:20:40,800
money on that or we need to look into

3271
02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:43,520
that. is still overall down. We're

3272
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:45,520
hoping and deals is reopening. So, we're

3273
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:47,040
hoping that that will help growth that

3274
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:49,520
we're going to see next month, but at

3275
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:51,120
the moment, the last time I checked it,

3276
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:52,640
we're still forecasting to be about

3277
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:59,190
$100,000 less than last year.

3278
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:03,280
» We're sitting at 5.5% meal tax now.

3279
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:07,040
>> The average is six, some is four, um,

3280
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:09,200
but the average is about six through the

3281
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:12,080
whole meal taxes. So, I didn't know we

3282
02:21:12,080 --> 02:21:14,399
half we find that next month. Do we need

3283
02:21:14,399 --> 02:21:16,479
to look into that or what else?

3284
02:21:16,479 --> 02:21:18,640
>> And I will say uh half a percent on our

3285
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:21,280
meals tax today is around 170 to

3286
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:22,800
$180,000

3287
02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:26,469
a year.

3288
02:21:26,479 --> 02:21:28,240
» And and that may be something we wait

3289
02:21:28,240 --> 02:21:30,080
until a year from now and then look at

3290
02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:31,120
because that could be some of the

3291
02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:34,720
recovery cost the 750,000.

3292
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:36,960
you kind of weigh what is usually done

3293
02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:38,560
the previous year

3294
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:40,800
>> to see if we need to raise it to to make

3295
02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:42,960
up or Yeah,

3296
02:21:42,960 --> 02:21:45,280
>> because we may it may increase just like

3297
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:47,680
Ann said with that with the be opening

3298
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:49,680
back up and some others.

3299
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:52,960
>> And I hear that's doing pretty good.

3300
02:21:52,960 --> 02:21:56,150
>> Mhm.

3301
02:21:56,160 --> 02:21:59,680
» So, are we going to

3302
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:01,359
So, we going to talk about revenue

3303
02:22:01,359 --> 02:22:04,399
later? I mean, I don't want to be

3304
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:05,920
jumping around. I kind of if we can go

3305
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:07,840
through expenses and stuff, but then

3306
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:09,920
talk about revenue, that'd be fine. But

3307
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:11,439
>> well, when we go to the budget, I think

3308
02:22:11,439 --> 02:22:12,960
we'll the revenues are the first part of

3309
02:22:12,960 --> 02:22:13,760
the budget.

3310
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:14,160
>> Okay.

3311
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:16,399
Well, I mean, when I talk when I

3312
02:22:16,399 --> 02:22:18,000
mean revenue, I mean

3313
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:18,479
>> taxes,

3314
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:21,120
>> additional revenue taxes.

3315
02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:23,920
>> Increasing taxes. Well, like I said, the

3316
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:25,760
challenge for me with increasing taxes,

3317
02:22:25,760 --> 02:22:28,319
we're going to start charging people $25

3318
02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:30,720
to $50 more a month for electric bills

3319
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:34,150
now.

3320
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:35,280
got to be careful.

3321
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:35,920
>> Yeah. I mean,

3322
02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:37,520
>> I know there's a balance, but there's

3323
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:40,240
also a balance of we're we're losing

3324
02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:42,240
money and not bringing enough in and at

3325
02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:44,000
some point the town's not going to be

3326
02:22:44,000 --> 02:22:46,640
>> Well, I agree. I I don't disagree. I I

3327
02:22:46,640 --> 02:22:48,640
see it with both sections with the Yeah.

3328
02:22:48,640 --> 02:22:51,040
>> theory that the weather had an impact on

3329
02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:52,000
tax this year.

3330
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:55,840
>> No, I understand what you're saying.

3331
02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:57,280
That's why I was comparing, you know.

3332
02:22:57,280 --> 02:22:58,560
>> Well, that's why I'm saying I think we

3333
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:01,520
need to we we need to have discussion

3334
02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:04,240
and then have maybe have a road map of

3335
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:05,760
what we're going to do because we're

3336
02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:08,160
losing 750,000 in a couple of years.

3337
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:09,120
We're going to,

3338
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:10,479
>> you know, and there's other things

3339
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:13,359
coming down the pike. And it's just if

3340
02:23:13,359 --> 02:23:15,280
we don't do something now and we wait

3341
02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:18,399
till later to put a plan in place, it's

3342
02:23:18,399 --> 02:23:20,640
just going to be harder later on to make

3343
02:23:20,640 --> 02:23:23,439
up and what did it be now? So anyway,

3344
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:24,720
>> well, I mean, we can talk about that

3345
02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:25,920
taxes and fees or

3346
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:26,880
>> Yeah, that'd be great.

3347
02:23:26,880 --> 02:23:28,160
>> Yeah.

3348
02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:29,920
>> And what I was looking at, I was looking

3349
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:31,680
at like, you know, the meal tax or

3350
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:33,600
lodging tax and stuff like that because,

3351
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:35,520
you know,

3352
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:37,359
I don't want to hurt our citizens or

3353
02:23:37,359 --> 02:23:39,920
anything like that, but I want to catch

3354
02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:42,160
that revenue that if we had visitors or

3355
02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:43,920
we had people coming through the town or

3356
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:46,560
coming off the peaks or coming visit DJ

3357
02:23:46,560 --> 02:23:49,359
or come visit our little town, that

3358
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:51,200
would be revenue that we could catch

3359
02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:52,560
right there.

3360
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:54,240
and process and then that won't be

3361
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:56,640
directly to

3362
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:58,640
um personal property or nothing like

3363
02:23:58,640 --> 02:24:00,720
that. That's what I was thinking.

3364
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:01,520
>> Okay.

3365
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:03,280
>> So, one thing I would recommend is if

3366
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:05,840
you do want to do a meals tax change to

3367
02:24:05,840 --> 02:24:07,760
give about a three months notice for

3368
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:09,600
vendors so they have time to change all

3369
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:12,640
of their um merchant processing devices

3370
02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:17,429
and update the rate.

3371
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:20,870
» I know it does take time.

3372
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:30,230
I don't think I if we made a decision.

3373
02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:33,750
» All right. What else?

3374
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:37,520
» Are we okay on the rest of this or just

3375
02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:39,520
sorry but question?

3376
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:40,160
>> Keep it going.

3377
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:42,080
>> The same with the mill tax. Just the

3378
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:44,000
comment here says that the current rate

3379
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:47,280
set at 5 a.5% with excess collections

3380
02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:49,760
over 5% designated spent solely for

3381
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:52,399
economic development per town code. So

3382
02:24:52,399 --> 02:24:54,399
if we happen to raise let's just say the

3383
02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:57,760
mill tax is 6%. Does that mean one 1%

3384
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:59,520
goes to the economic development?

3385
02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:02,000
>> It's up to you. So it's designated by

3386
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:04,319
town ordinance that half% goes to

3387
02:25:04,319 --> 02:25:06,000
economic development. So you have full

3388
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:08,160
control over that. You could also say

3389
02:25:08,160 --> 02:25:10,160
the half a percent would no longer go to

3390
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:11,760
economic development. You just have to

3391
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:13,040
adjust the

3392
02:25:13,040 --> 02:25:15,280
>> we Yeah, we could we can actually say

3393
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:17,760
that that half a percent would go to a a

3394
02:25:17,760 --> 02:25:21,280
future to a an account to hold for to

3395
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:23,920
cover for the 750,000.

3396
02:25:23,920 --> 02:25:24,960
>> All right.

3397
02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:26,960
>> Cuz because Mary and the economic

3398
02:25:26,960 --> 02:25:28,479
development authority get that half

3399
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:28,960
percent.

3400
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:30,640
>> Yeah. I don't I don't just I just didn't

3401
02:25:30,640 --> 02:25:32,960
know if it was automatic that if we you

3402
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:35,040
know if it said it goes Yeah.

3403
02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:37,920
>> that automatic 1% extra would go after

3404
02:25:37,920 --> 02:25:39,520
>> just that just that five go.

3405
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:41,280
>> Yeah. I just I I agree with keeping the

3406
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:43,600
5% definitely or half a percent or

3407
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:45,280
something.

3408
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:48,000
>> Well, why are we on taxes?

3409
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:49,920
All these homebased businesses, they

3410
02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:51,680
don't pay any taxes when they do the

3411
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:53,280
stuff out of their house, right?

3412
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:55,439
>> Well, they do apply for business license

3413
02:25:55,439 --> 02:25:58,000
and they have a business license tax.

3414
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:00,319
So, we do have that, but it's only the

3415
02:26:00,319 --> 02:26:02,479
application fee unless they generate

3416
02:26:02,479 --> 02:26:06,479
over the $250,000 a year.

3417
02:26:06,479 --> 02:26:08,720
>> So, it depends on how much they're

3418
02:26:08,720 --> 02:26:11,520
generating out of their home,

3419
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:14,080
>> but they don't pay taxes like we do,

3420
02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:15,600
like I do.

3421
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:18,000
>> If it's a food, if it's food, they

3422
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:19,120
should, shouldn't they?

3423
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:21,280
>> Correct. If they're serving food to eat

3424
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:24,160
on premise, if they're serving it to go

3425
02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:26,479
away, then probably not. it would just

3426
02:26:26,479 --> 02:26:31,270
be a retail sale.

3427
02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:33,439
» So if they're delivering food or meals,

3428
02:26:33,439 --> 02:26:35,280
I'm just curious then they wouldn't have

3429
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:37,280
to pay the meal tax if somebody's

3430
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:38,800
>> I have to look actually, you know, it

3431
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:41,280
depends. So one instance is when

3432
02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:42,800
somebody who wants to go around town

3433
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:45,439
with a cart of prepackaged factory

3434
02:26:45,439 --> 02:26:46,399
foods.

3435
02:26:46,399 --> 02:26:49,439
>> So on that one, they're itinerant

3436
02:26:49,439 --> 02:26:52,080
vendor, peddler, perishable. They don't

3437
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:54,640
pay anything other than our fees for

3438
02:26:54,640 --> 02:26:56,800
doing so. Now, if you do have like an at

3439
02:26:56,800 --> 02:26:58,160
home bakery, that's probably what you're

3440
02:26:58,160 --> 02:27:00,160
talking about. That's prepared food. So,

3441
02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:01,200
they would pay

3442
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:03,359
>> or b or somebody to prepare meals and

3443
02:27:03,359 --> 02:27:04,160
delivered meals.

3444
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:05,840
>> Correct.

3445
02:27:05,840 --> 02:27:08,640
>> If it's packaged food for sale off

3446
02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:11,200
premises, like factory package, then we

3447
02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:15,600
do not charge a meals tax on that.

3448
02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:17,680
Was

3449
02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:18,960
that the kind of business you were

3450
02:27:18,960 --> 02:27:19,920
talking about or

3451
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:21,840
>> Well, yeah, because I mean so many

3452
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:24,720
homebased businesses

3453
02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:28,000
now, way more than it was before. I

3454
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:29,439
mean, because when you go through there,

3455
02:27:29,439 --> 02:27:32,399
there's like tons of people doing stuff

3456
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:34,640
out of their house now. And if they're

3457
02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:37,040
not paying taxes like we are,

3458
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:39,760
>> then that's a lot of tax loss. Well,

3459
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:41,920
it's also a planning and permitting

3460
02:27:41,920 --> 02:27:43,840
issue as well because they're supposed

3461
02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:46,240
to be applying for a permit to operate

3462
02:27:46,240 --> 02:27:48,240
business out of their home.

3463
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:50,399
>> So, it becomes both a business license

3464
02:27:50,399 --> 02:27:52,720
issue and I'd walk next door to Mary and

3465
02:27:52,720 --> 02:27:54,560
say, "Hey, did they get a permit to

3466
02:27:54,560 --> 02:27:55,600
actually do this?"

3467
02:27:55,600 --> 02:27:57,520
>> Yeah. Or in zoning, too. I guess they'd

3468
02:27:57,520 --> 02:27:58,960
have to be zoned properly

3469
02:27:58,960 --> 02:28:00,080
>> because like I remember when I first

3470
02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:01,359
started, the health department would

3471
02:28:01,359 --> 02:28:04,160
come to my house and inspect it and

3472
02:28:04,160 --> 02:28:05,439
stuff and everything when I used to do

3473
02:28:05,439 --> 02:28:08,240
cakes out of the house and how to get

3474
02:28:08,240 --> 02:28:13,190
all that But

3475
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:13,600
» that's

3476
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:15,439
>> I mean not just picking on people that

3477
02:28:15,439 --> 02:28:17,040
bake out of their houses, but I mean

3478
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:18,399
there's a lot of other things that

3479
02:28:18,399 --> 02:28:21,760
people do out of their houses and sales,

3480
02:28:21,760 --> 02:28:23,840
but if we're not collecting taxes on I

3481
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:31,030
mean that's a huge

3482
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:34,080
» There's a homestead law and I'm not

3483
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:36,160
super aware of it, but it like exempts

3484
02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:38,000
some of the health department inspection

3485
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:40,800
type of for small sales. There's certain

3486
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:43,200
things that are associated with that

3487
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:47,280
like poultry and eggs and small things.

3488
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:49,680
But Mike may be more aware of that than

3489
02:28:49,680 --> 02:28:51,760
I am.

3490
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:53,760
>> I'm not I was just thinking the same

3491
02:28:53,760 --> 02:28:59,040
thing that you just said that prep the distinction between a prepared food

3492
02:28:59,040 --> 02:29:03,359
and an and a food sale

3493
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:05,200
where you're basically a grosser. It

3494
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:08,479
gets really really complicated.

3495
02:29:08,479 --> 02:29:12,000
But to your point, they are most are

3496
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:14,160
supposed to get

3497
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:16,160
um if you're selling a prepared food,

3498
02:29:16,160 --> 02:29:17,600
you're supposed to have the health

3499
02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:20,080
department stuff. You're supposed to

3500
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:24,399
have a home occupation permit from Mary

3501
02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:27,520
and you're supposed to be paying

3502
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:31,439
u your meals tax again, which meals tax,

3503
02:29:31,439 --> 02:29:34,160
behold tax can can depend upon your

3504
02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:41,120
size. So uh but To your point,

3505
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:43,439
I would strongly suspect that there are

3506
02:29:43,439 --> 02:29:46,800
people who are evading the rules or just

3507
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:49,120
aren't fully aware and are just going

3508
02:29:49,120 --> 02:29:50,640
off and doing their own thing and

3509
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:53,200
getting away with it, but they're not

3510
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:54,479
supposed to. They're supposed to be

3511
02:29:54,479 --> 02:29:56,560
under the same rules as a as a

3512
02:29:56,560 --> 02:29:59,840
standalone establishment.

3513
02:29:59,840 --> 02:30:02,720
Again, a standalone establishment with

3514
02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:11,429
similar receipts which can vary.

3515
02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:15,270
» Are we good?

3516
02:30:15,280 --> 02:30:20,800
» What What else? What page should I ask?

3517
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:23,840
>> I'm sure you got something on 68.

3518
02:30:23,840 --> 02:30:26,000
I'm sure we'll talk about it uh

3519
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:29,280
separately, but under on page 70,

3520
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:31,760
>> the recovered recovered cost that we

3521
02:30:31,760 --> 02:30:33,120
talking about with special events and

3522
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:37,600
stuff, you know, that we aren't cap,

3523
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:40,319
we're not capturing, you know, the true

3524
02:30:40,319 --> 02:30:43,520
cost of the events we're doing.

3525
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:46,800
You know, I think the PD, Tom's folks,

3526
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:48,880
and everything are taking a big hit

3527
02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:50,800
because we're only if we're recovering

3528
02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:52,640
anything, we're only recovering 20%,

3529
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:53,439
right?

3530
02:30:53,439 --> 02:30:54,560
>> Per policy. Yes.

3531
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:55,840
>> Policy.

3532
02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:57,840
>> And And do we recover 20%? We don't

3533
02:30:57,840 --> 02:31:00,560
cover 20% like centerfest or those other

3534
02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:02,319
events. Is that right?

3535
02:31:02,319 --> 02:31:05,280
>> And then uh yeah, I'll just I've got a

3536
02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:06,640
Richard, like I said, some of the

3537
02:31:06,640 --> 02:31:09,120
biggest events we it's also within the

3538
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:10,720
policy. We don't recover anything from

3539
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:12,080
money

3540
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:16,399
>> cuz I think you said it was like $27,000

3541
02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:18,080
we spent on Centerfest.

3542
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:21,200
>> Yeah. And I'm sorry. I'm the most recent

3543
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:23,040
figures I had from public works and

3544
02:31:23,040 --> 02:31:25,040
police. Actually, it was just public

3545
02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:28,399
works. Centerfest cost $8,300. Now, the

3546
02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:31,040
police is in addition to that. And then

3547
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:32,720
we also had some one-time costs for

3548
02:31:32,720 --> 02:31:36,080
electric. I know.

3549
02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:38,080
But at a minimum, it's costing us

3550
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:39,359
$8,300.

3551
02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:40,000
>> Yeah. And then

3552
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:42,240
>> plus the $7,500 sponsorship.

3553
02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:43,520
>> Yeah.

3554
02:31:43,520 --> 02:31:45,120
>> Well, and I guess John, you pay some

3555
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:47,280
people over time to work center.

3556
02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:48,960
>> Well, we haven't done it in the last

3557
02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:49,439
year.

3558
02:31:49,439 --> 02:31:50,319
>> You haven't had

3559
02:31:50,319 --> 02:31:52,560
>> No, but we we used to have a crew up

3560
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:54,000
there in case they had problems. We

3561
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:56,479
installed a bunch of power boxes around

3562
02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:59,600
for people to use. So last year, we just

3563
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:01,359
had if something came up, the on call

3564
02:32:01,359 --> 02:32:03,280
guy would just come over.

3565
02:32:03,280 --> 02:32:04,720
No, we don't put a crew over there

3566
02:32:04,720 --> 02:32:08,560
anymore like we used to.

3567
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:10,080
>> That was back when I was still working

3568
02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:13,120
when you were doing that

3569
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:14,960
>> back in back in the old days.

3570
02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:15,760
>> Back in the day.

3571
02:32:15,760 --> 02:32:18,240
>> Back in good old days. Yeah.

3572
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:20,080
>> Well Well, Barton, do you have any

3573
02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:22,960
thoughts on if we raise that percent

3574
02:32:22,960 --> 02:32:26,479
what would be comparable 50% or I'm just

3575
02:32:26,479 --> 02:32:28,000
throwing thoughts out there for

3576
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:31,439
discussion here. I I will tell you

3577
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:34,080
>> we didn't have a policy until

3578
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:35,760
four or five years ago

3579
02:32:35,760 --> 02:32:38,720
>> and then when we did 20% was just a

3580
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:40,080
number that came out of thin air and

3581
02:32:40,080 --> 02:32:41,040
that's what we adopted.

3582
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:42,720
>> That's kind of what I thought.

3583
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:44,560
>> Anything more would help us recover

3584
02:32:44,560 --> 02:32:45,760
cost. Mhm.

3585
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:50,399
>> I don't know how

3586
02:32:50,399 --> 02:32:51,840
much impact it would have in terms of

3587
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:53,920
chasing events away if we said Well,

3588
02:32:53,920 --> 02:32:55,439
actually, I will tell you this came

3589
02:32:55,439 --> 02:32:57,280
about a few years ago because there was

3590
02:32:57,280 --> 02:33:00,479
somebody that wanted to have a 5K race

3591
02:33:00,479 --> 02:33:02,720
on Memorial Day weekend. We calculated

3592
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:04,800
what the cost was, told them that they

3593
02:33:04,800 --> 02:33:06,080
didn't want to pay it, so I told them

3594
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:09,040
no. Then they came to council, not this

3595
02:33:09,040 --> 02:33:10,560
council,

3596
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:12,880
and asked council for their answer. And

3597
02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:15,600
council said no. But then the person

3598
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:17,760
came back and made a impassion plea and

3599
02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:21,200
council said yes. So we ate that. The

3600
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:23,200
next year that's what prompted this

3601
02:33:23,200 --> 02:33:26,319
policy. So the next year when I quoted

3602
02:33:26,319 --> 02:33:29,040
them 20% of our cost for that which was

3603
02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:31,120
about 20% of our cost was like three or

3604
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:33,280
400. They didn't want to pay it but we

3605
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:35,280
had a policy.

3606
02:33:35,280 --> 02:33:38,479
The the issue is whatever policy we

3607
02:33:38,479 --> 02:33:40,399
adopt.

3608
02:33:40,399 --> 02:33:42,720
It's like anything else. I'll enforce

3609
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:45,200
it, but they can always appeal to

3610
02:33:45,200 --> 02:33:47,840
council

3611
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:50,240
>> and we have to go back to the policy.

3612
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:51,840
>> Yes, we all should go back to code

3613
02:33:51,840 --> 02:33:53,359
policy. Yes.

3614
02:33:53,359 --> 02:33:55,520
>> Not that you feel sorry for it.

3615
02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:58,000
>> I mean,

3616
02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:02,309
certainly 50% is reasonable.

3617
02:34:02,319 --> 02:34:04,160
We could we could poll the ones that we

3618
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:06,080
deal with and ask them if 100% would

3619
02:34:06,080 --> 02:34:08,000
chase them out.

3620
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:10,240
Again, the assumption is I have this

3621
02:34:10,240 --> 02:34:12,160
conversation in my house. Why did you

3622
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:14,319
charge Liberty High School a $50 fee for

3623
02:34:14,319 --> 02:34:15,359
homecoming?

3624
02:34:15,359 --> 02:34:17,359
>> Well, really, I should have charged them

3625
02:34:17,359 --> 02:34:19,920
$180, but

3626
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:22,240
>> Well, because it cost something.

3627
02:34:22,240 --> 02:34:25,120
>> Well, and I think in today's changing

3628
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:27,600
times, and that's where we are. We have

3629
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:30,640
to always constantly reeval re-evaluate

3630
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:33,200
these things because we cannot continue

3631
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:35,359
to lose money

3632
02:34:35,359 --> 02:34:37,680
or at least that much. We we're going to

3633
02:34:37,680 --> 02:34:39,600
make donations here and there with like

3634
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:41,840
the fireworks and and probably

3635
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:43,760
centerfest

3636
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:47,359
Christmas parade, but we should be able

3637
02:34:47,359 --> 02:34:51,280
to recoup a larger amount.

3638
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:52,800
So, give me y'all's thoughts.

3639
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:55,359
>> So, how much in all special event

3640
02:34:55,359 --> 02:34:57,200
policies do we lose a year? But you told

3641
02:34:57,200 --> 02:34:58,640
me about 60 something,000.

3642
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:01,120
>> Yeah, let me kind of So, when we figure

3643
02:35:01,120 --> 02:35:03,280
in the sponsorships as well, we also pay

3644
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:05,120
D-Day.

3645
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:08,160
We spent $69,550

3646
02:35:08,160 --> 02:35:10,160
based on what the departments reported

3647
02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:12,160
and we recovered

3648
02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:15,040
8,2 we're planning to recover 8,200 of

3649
02:35:15,040 --> 02:35:17,920
that. 7500 is the county willing to pay

3650
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:21,840
for fireworks some of it. So it's it's

3651
02:35:21,840 --> 02:35:25,680
bordering on $70,000 in cost for what we

3652
02:35:25,680 --> 02:35:28,800
provide in services.

3653
02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:31,040
And I know I know me you had discussion

3654
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:33,280
we talk about fireworks too. I mean

3655
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:36,080
that's a big chunk of money recently has

3656
02:35:36,080 --> 02:35:37,680
come up where it used to be split

3657
02:35:37,680 --> 02:35:39,120
between three different

3658
02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:40,720
>> and the county is participating this

3659
02:35:40,720 --> 02:35:41,280
year Robert.

3660
02:35:41,280 --> 02:35:41,760
>> All right. Good.

3661
02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:44,479
>> Robert I but I mean it's and this year

3662
02:35:44,479 --> 02:35:46,479
since it's the 250th is going to be a

3663
02:35:46,479 --> 02:35:48,560
bigger show than normal. So having

3664
02:35:48,560 --> 02:35:50,399
talked to the vendor by the way we also

3665
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:51,520
need to go through procurement with

3666
02:35:51,520 --> 02:35:55,920
that. That cost should go down after 26

3667
02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:57,920
27

3668
02:35:57,920 --> 02:35:59,920
and as long as we continue to play well

3669
02:35:59,920 --> 02:36:01,600
with the county they probably will help

3670
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:03,760
us out. Yeah. Well, that's okay. That's

3671
02:36:03,760 --> 02:36:06,800
good. I'm glad to see that relationship

3672
02:36:06,800 --> 02:36:09,520
come back to to some degree.

3673
02:36:09,520 --> 02:36:10,160
>> Um,

3674
02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:12,640
>> and for people who asked, we do have a

3675
02:36:12,640 --> 02:36:13,840
really good working relationship with

3676
02:36:13,840 --> 02:36:15,760
Bedford County and do not underestimate

3677
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:16,880
the value of that.

3678
02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:20,640
>> Yes, totally agree 100%. Um, so, okay,

3679
02:36:20,640 --> 02:36:23,439
let's let's what are the the biggies?

3680
02:36:23,439 --> 02:36:27,120
The Centerfest Christmas Parade and

3681
02:36:27,120 --> 02:36:30,309
Fireworks.

3682
02:36:30,319 --> 02:36:32,960
» Yes. Let's see. Centerfest. Uh, again,

3683
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:35,600
if you throw in the sponsorship, it's

3684
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:37,760
$15,000.

3685
02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:40,399
Christmas parades, $4,300. The Peaks of

3686
02:36:40,399 --> 02:36:45,270
Otter 5K race is $5,500.

3687
02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:49,040
Um, the Independence Day thing is has

3688
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:49,840
apparently is going to be

3689
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:51,359
self-supporting that Jonathan Aiden is

3690
02:36:51,359 --> 02:36:53,120
doing. Yeah, he's charging he's not

3691
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:54,479
charging admission this time. He's got

3692
02:36:54,479 --> 02:36:55,840
sponsorships.

3693
02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:58,560
>> And the fireworks are going to be 35,000

3694
02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:01,600
in the budget, I think. Yeah, but that's

3695
02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:04,560
typically they're

3696
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:07,520
30,000 or less and it's trended upward

3697
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:08,560
with costs lately.

3698
02:37:08,560 --> 02:37:12,080
>> Yeah, it used to be around 17,000

3699
02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:14,479
going to be double this year.

3700
02:37:14,479 --> 02:37:16,160
>> It's a bigger show and they cost more

3701
02:37:16,160 --> 02:37:19,040
because of things like tariffs and the

3702
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:22,640
straight of horm from China

3703
02:37:22,640 --> 02:37:23,920
>> for the events.

3704
02:37:23,920 --> 02:37:25,680
>> I just wanted to throw in now we have

3705
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:27,280
the car.

3706
02:37:27,280 --> 02:37:28,800
>> Oh yeah.

3707
02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:31,040
>> Okay. And we're still we're still trying

3708
02:37:31,040 --> 02:37:32,720
to peg that.

3709
02:37:32,720 --> 02:37:33,359
>> But

3710
02:37:33,359 --> 02:37:35,680
>> they did pay their calculated 20.

3711
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:37,040
>> I was going to say we passed some of

3712
02:37:37,040 --> 02:37:39,359
those costs on to them though.

3713
02:37:39,359 --> 02:37:39,760
>> Yeah.

3714
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:41,680
What's that? Currently we're at

3715
02:37:41,680 --> 02:37:44,160
like uh 3,000 or something. Does that

3716
02:37:44,160 --> 02:37:45,520
sound right?

3717
02:37:45,520 --> 02:37:47,840
>> Well, my thinking is if you pull those

3718
02:37:47,840 --> 02:37:50,880
three out, how much do you have left?

3719
02:37:50,880 --> 02:37:51,520
>> Oh, okay.

3720
02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:54,319
>> That left then.

3721
02:37:54,319 --> 02:37:56,240
>> Really? It's

3722
02:37:56,240 --> 02:37:59,280
the homecoming parade LHS $750. That's

3723
02:37:59,280 --> 02:38:02,000
the B the baseline. Then if we have to

3724
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:05,680
shut down the loop for a 5K, that's

3725
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:07,760
about 2,000. So the range is anywhere

3726
02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:11,359
from 750 to couple thousand for

3727
02:38:11,359 --> 02:38:13,600
individual events. The big ones, like I

3728
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:18,469
said, we just talked about.

3729
02:38:18,479 --> 02:38:20,800
» So why don't Well, I got two things.

3730
02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:24,000
one, I think your idea of polling and

3731
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:26,240
talking to each one is a good idea to

3732
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:30,000
see what what would drive people away if

3733
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:33,040
it was too much. But the other thing is

3734
02:38:33,040 --> 02:38:38,319
um and I I think Mary could answer it is there a lot of benefit to the town

3735
02:38:38,319 --> 02:38:40,080
with these events and what the benefits

3736
02:38:40,080 --> 02:38:42,399
are or do you know could you quantify

3737
02:38:42,399 --> 02:38:43,680
that at this point

3738
02:38:43,680 --> 02:38:45,600
>> without polling businesses to see if

3739
02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:48,080
their sales go up on any given event day

3740
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:50,800
go up or if they go down that's for the

3741
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:54,560
doesn't help the street as close

3742
02:38:54,560 --> 02:38:56,720
traffic. So we can pull them and find

3743
02:38:56,720 --> 02:39:00,880
out what effect is. Well, I know with us

3744
02:39:00,880 --> 02:39:04,080
on Centerfest and Christmas parade,

3745
02:39:04,080 --> 02:39:09,520
we do triple like our normal sales cuz I

3746
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:11,760
ordered like double

3747
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:13,359
the food and stuff and everything and

3748
02:39:13,359 --> 02:39:14,880
there's been that some of the times

3749
02:39:14,880 --> 02:39:16,720
we've had to close at 1, didn't even

3750
02:39:16,720 --> 02:39:19,600
stay up past 1 or two because we ran

3751
02:39:19,600 --> 02:39:21,680
out.

3752
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:24,720
So I mean it does restaurant

3753
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:26,399
>> because like Heather leaves the front of

3754
02:39:26,399 --> 02:39:28,240
our store. She doesn't put anybody at

3755
02:39:28,240 --> 02:39:31,439
centerfest. Our storefront stays

3756
02:39:31,439 --> 02:39:35,920
>> and we do do really well for

3757
02:39:35,920 --> 02:39:37,600
>> That's because our prices, you know, cuz

3758
02:39:37,600 --> 02:39:39,359
food truck prices are more expensive

3759
02:39:39,359 --> 02:39:41,760
than regular food. So it does help for

3760
02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:45,920
that. The Christmas parade

3761
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:50,240
um in the before it starts. Yes.

3762
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:52,800
Once the Christmas parade is over, it's

3763
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:55,520
a regular day, but then if you stay open

3764
02:39:55,520 --> 02:39:57,200
for the tree lighting and all of that,

3765
02:39:57,200 --> 02:39:59,760
then you got your people coming back in.

3766
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:02,479
So, it does give you better sales, but

3767
02:40:02,479 --> 02:40:06,630
you have to stay open for.

3768
02:40:06,640 --> 02:40:08,080
» So, that I would think that would be

3769
02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:09,520
some of the stuff we would want to hear

3770
02:40:09,520 --> 02:40:11,280
from all business.

3771
02:40:11,280 --> 02:40:12,880
>> Sounds like it's beneficial to you to

3772
02:40:12,880 --> 02:40:13,920
have the events.

3773
02:40:13,920 --> 02:40:14,880
>> Yeah.

3774
02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:16,160
>> But I mean, you know, I'm like right

3775
02:40:16,160 --> 02:40:17,120
there in the middle of it.

3776
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:18,560
>> Yeah.

3777
02:40:18,560 --> 02:40:20,479
It could be different when you're off to

3778
02:40:20,479 --> 02:40:23,120
the

3779
02:40:23,120 --> 02:40:26,080
>> some of these events that the town is

3780
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:28,640
sponsoring or co-sponsoring

3781
02:40:28,640 --> 02:40:29,439
with other people.

3782
02:40:29,439 --> 02:40:30,399
>> Yeah, let me speak to that.

3783
02:40:30,399 --> 02:40:31,920
>> Could we

3784
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:34,399
>> actually we don't really sponsor

3785
02:40:34,399 --> 02:40:35,760
anything because we don't have a staff

3786
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:38,960
to do it anything. This kind of goes

3787
02:40:38,960 --> 02:40:41,280
back to the argument too that and maybe

3788
02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:43,600
we saying there are organiza other

3789
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:45,920
organizations that have events and our

3790
02:40:45,920 --> 02:40:48,399
only involvement is we allow them to use

3791
02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:52,160
the streets. Now that said we do pay

3792
02:40:52,160 --> 02:40:54,640
sponsorships to organizations currently

3793
02:40:54,640 --> 02:40:56,479
the central Virginia Business Coalition

3794
02:40:56,479 --> 02:41:01,200
and the D-Day Memorial Foundation. So I just want to make that clear that

3795
02:41:01,200 --> 02:41:01,680
>> right

3796
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:03,359
>> we we don't sponsor them because we

3797
02:41:03,359 --> 02:41:04,880
don't really have anybody who can

3798
02:41:04,880 --> 02:41:06,800
>> understood but the the point of the

3799
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:10,080
question was as opposed to paying a fee

3800
02:41:10,080 --> 02:41:13,120
to be listed as a sponsor those inind

3801
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:15,439
services that we pay

3802
02:41:15,439 --> 02:41:17,520
could that be used to offset whatever

3803
02:41:17,520 --> 02:41:20,560
that sponsorship level may be

3804
02:41:20,560 --> 02:41:23,280
>> we can ask

3805
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:24,880
>> I think that's a great idea I will

3806
02:41:24,880 --> 02:41:25,439
follow

3807
02:41:25,439 --> 02:41:27,680
>> and of course the other option is okay

3808
02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:29,760
if if that's not good, then you're going

3809
02:41:29,760 --> 02:41:33,280
to pay a third or half of the cost of

3810
02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:35,760
our services.

3811
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:39,439
>> Our costs are mainly in in barricading

3812
02:41:39,439 --> 02:41:41,520
the roads and streets and all that.

3813
02:41:41,520 --> 02:41:43,760
>> Yeah. Law enforcement,

3814
02:41:43,760 --> 02:41:46,240
public works, and actually anything.

3815
02:41:46,240 --> 02:41:48,880
>> The cost that's not counted is the cost

3816
02:41:48,880 --> 02:41:50,720
of the firefighters that are volunteers

3817
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:52,000
that are out there. Correct.

3818
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:53,600
>> Spending their time out there because

3819
02:41:53,600 --> 02:41:55,120
they don't get compensated for their

3820
02:41:55,120 --> 02:41:55,680
time.

3821
02:41:55,680 --> 02:41:57,280
>> They're just volunteering to be there.

3822
02:41:57,280 --> 02:41:59,680
>> Right. and it's taken away from them

3823
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:01,120
from being able to respond to other

3824
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:03,040
calls and again wearing them out and

3825
02:42:03,040 --> 02:42:04,319
having them

3826
02:42:04,319 --> 02:42:06,960
>> Yeah. So, so yeah, that's a good point

3827
02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:09,439
in that okay, if we can calculate the

3828
02:42:09,439 --> 02:42:12,560
cost or we the poll probably is the

3829
02:42:12,560 --> 02:42:15,040
right way to go first, but I dare say

3830
02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:18,240
some may say absolutely not, but you

3831
02:42:18,240 --> 02:42:20,160
don't know. You need to get the poll,

3832
02:42:20,160 --> 02:42:21,840
get need to get the numbers,

3833
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:23,040
>> but for the sponsors, that's a great

3834
02:42:23,040 --> 02:42:24,240
idea. Yeah, we'll follow up on that as

3835
02:42:24,240 --> 02:42:24,640
well.

3836
02:42:24,640 --> 02:42:25,280
>> Go ahead.

3837
02:42:25,280 --> 02:42:26,640
>> That is a great idea there.

3838
02:42:26,640 --> 02:42:28,640
>> Yeah. And Chief Wills, it'd be

3839
02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:29,920
interesting for you if you could

3840
02:42:29,920 --> 02:42:32,080
calculate when we have special events

3841
02:42:32,080 --> 02:42:34,960
what the act what the cost would be and

3842
02:42:34,960 --> 02:42:36,800
for the manpower that you have out

3843
02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:39,359
there.

3844
02:42:39,359 --> 02:42:40,800
>> Yeah, because that would be a good

3845
02:42:40,800 --> 02:42:42,800
number to have. Even though it's it's

3846
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:46,319
not a cost of us financially, but it's a

3847
02:42:46,319 --> 02:42:48,319
cost on the manpower that you have and

3848
02:42:48,319 --> 02:42:50,319
the and their ability to respond to the

3849
02:42:50,319 --> 02:42:50,720
call.

3850
02:42:50,720 --> 02:42:54,960
>> Theoretically for something like that, would be an overtime

3851
02:42:54,960 --> 02:42:57,040
>> kind of thing because you don't want to

3852
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:59,840
We can't take services away from

3853
02:42:59,840 --> 02:43:02,560
services.

3854
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:04,640
>> And I'm sorry, let me just explain the

3855
02:43:04,640 --> 02:43:07,680
process for any special kind of comes

3856
02:43:07,680 --> 02:43:09,600
through me first. The application forms

3857
02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:11,520
in my office, anybody that wants to do

3858
02:43:11,520 --> 02:43:14,880
it fills it out. I then send that out to

3859
02:43:14,880 --> 02:43:16,960
each department and ask them to evaluate

3860
02:43:16,960 --> 02:43:19,040
that and calculate the costs. And I

3861
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:19,920
haven't been including the fire

3862
02:43:19,920 --> 02:43:21,280
department, but you will be added to the

3863
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:24,240
distribution list. I I compiled that.

3864
02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:25,600
Well, I'm sorry. Let me go back. There's

3865
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:28,800
a $50 application fee upfront

3866
02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:31,040
to cover our costs of just evaluating

3867
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:32,560
that because everybody has to stop what

3868
02:43:32,560 --> 02:43:35,200
they're doing and figure out schedules.

3869
02:43:35,200 --> 02:43:37,040
Then we go back and calculate the total

3870
02:43:37,040 --> 02:43:39,520
cost. I figure out 20% send and send

3871
02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:42,080
them a quote saying this is what the

3872
02:43:42,080 --> 02:43:45,520
event fee is. Once they pay that, we put

3873
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:48,640
it on the agenda. You approve it.

3874
02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:52,240
If they don't pay the fee, then

3875
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:53,920
I'd tell them no, but then they could

3876
02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:58,309
still come and ask it.

3877
02:43:58,319 --> 02:44:00,800
» And we got to say no.

3878
02:44:00,800 --> 02:44:01,760
>> Yeah.

3879
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:02,720
>> Well,

3880
02:44:02,720 --> 02:44:04,240
>> we got to stick with what the policy

3881
02:44:04,240 --> 02:44:05,920
>> correct. That's what I'm saying.

3882
02:44:05,920 --> 02:44:08,560
>> We got to let Mr. Warner do his job.

3883
02:44:08,560 --> 02:44:10,240
>> We got to support him.

3884
02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:11,680
>> Yes.

3885
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:13,680
>> Or should Yes.

3886
02:44:13,680 --> 02:44:17,120
>> Yeah. So, so what's the flavor? I mean

3887
02:44:17,120 --> 02:44:19,840
going the polling or what what direction

3888
02:44:19,840 --> 02:44:21,279
do we want to go here?

3889
02:44:21,279 --> 02:44:23,120
>> Well, I think gathering information is

3890
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:25,520
always

3891
02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:27,840
>> okay. Is that okay?

3892
02:44:27,840 --> 02:44:29,520
>> Yep. We can do that this week.

3893
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:31,760
>> All right.

3894
02:44:31,760 --> 02:44:34,240
Carry on.

3895
02:44:34,240 --> 02:44:36,160
>> What's next?

3896
02:44:36,160 --> 02:44:40,309
>> I didn't know Dave has

3897
02:44:40,319 --> 02:44:40,640
you got

3898
02:44:40,640 --> 02:44:44,240
>> it's human. I think I Poland's fine.

3899
02:44:44,240 --> 02:44:46,319
Human nature. If I'm a business and you

3900
02:44:46,319 --> 02:44:49,439
say, "Hey, would you pay 100% or would

3901
02:44:49,439 --> 02:44:52,000
you leave?" I'll leave. And

3902
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:53,040
>> that's what I was getting.

3903
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:54,880
>> Yeah. And so it's like I don't So the

3904
02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:56,960
polling to me is going to be not even

3905
02:44:56,960 --> 02:44:57,600
beneficial.

3906
02:44:57,600 --> 02:45:00,000
>> Well, well, I think I think it's the

3907
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:01,680
other side of the polling too that we

3908
02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:04,319
have that Mary could do to find out what

3909
02:45:04,319 --> 02:45:06,399
benefits there are to the businesses in

3910
02:45:06,399 --> 02:45:07,120
the community.

3911
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:09,120
>> My part's easy. I'll know what Mary

3912
02:45:09,120 --> 02:45:10,319
>> Yeah. And her part's going to be more

3913
02:45:10,319 --> 02:45:13,120
difficult. See, see they they're going

3914
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:16,800
to say to Mary, are you serious?

3915
02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:18,560
>> Well, some of them may say there's no

3916
02:45:18,560 --> 02:45:20,160
benefit. I would think they're going to

3917
02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:22,240
be say some would say there's none. And

3918
02:45:22,240 --> 02:45:23,920
then others like Jay are going to say

3919
02:45:23,920 --> 02:45:25,359
there's some. And that's where you we

3920
02:45:25,359 --> 02:45:27,040
got to find the balance of where where

3921
02:45:27,040 --> 02:45:29,520
it is in there.

3922
02:45:29,520 --> 02:45:32,000
>> It's that's a gun to play with any poll.

3923
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:32,479
>> Yeah.

3924
02:45:32,479 --> 02:45:33,920
>> The accuracy of it.

3925
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:35,120
>> Yeah, I know. I know.

3926
02:45:35,120 --> 02:45:37,439
>> But it's a good start. I mean, and then

3927
02:45:37,439 --> 02:45:38,880
you're you're you're exactly right

3928
02:45:38,880 --> 02:45:40,800
though. Then you have to analyze it and

3929
02:45:40,800 --> 02:45:42,319
see

3930
02:45:42,319 --> 02:45:44,560
the the the accuracy of it.

3931
02:45:44,560 --> 02:45:48,710
>> Yeah,

3932
02:45:48,720 --> 02:45:50,160
» I guess.

3933
02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:52,160
>> Yeah. I mean, because we got to start

3934
02:45:52,160 --> 02:45:53,439
somewhere and figure out where we're

3935
02:45:53,439 --> 02:45:54,880
going to go from there. I mean, if you

3936
02:45:54,880 --> 02:45:56,319
know, we could always say we're going to

3937
02:45:56,319 --> 02:45:58,640
charge 100% for what every event, but

3938
02:45:58,640 --> 02:46:01,120
then we might not have any events in

3939
02:46:01,120 --> 02:46:02,800
town after that.

3940
02:46:02,800 --> 02:46:05,520
>> I do agree that and I think we're on the

3941
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:06,880
right track. Bart's on the right track

3942
02:46:06,880 --> 02:46:09,520
in that we've got to figure out, okay,

3943
02:46:09,520 --> 02:46:11,840
where are we losing money and how much

3944
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:15,040
is too much and then tighten the budget

3945
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:16,240
or tighten the belt a little bit to

3946
02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:18,160
where stop the bleeding

3947
02:46:18,160 --> 02:46:19,600
>> as much as we can. Yeah.

3948
02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:20,960
>> Without stopping events.

3949
02:46:20,960 --> 02:46:22,319
>> Well, exactly. That's where I was

3950
02:46:22,319 --> 02:46:22,640
thinking.

3951
02:46:22,640 --> 02:46:25,359
>> Yeah.

3952
02:46:25,359 --> 02:46:27,200
>> Because I think and because I do think

3953
02:46:27,200 --> 02:46:29,120
there are benefits to events even though

3954
02:46:29,120 --> 02:46:30,800
I may not sound like it when I'm saying

3955
02:46:30,800 --> 02:46:32,720
the things I'm saying. I think the

3956
02:46:32,720 --> 02:46:35,439
community benefits and the and the town

3957
02:46:35,439 --> 02:46:37,359
benefits from the marketing of the

3958
02:46:37,359 --> 02:46:39,760
events and people seeing the town

3959
02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:41,520
>> while they're here. I think there's a

3960
02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:42,479
benefit to that.

3961
02:46:42,479 --> 02:46:44,080
>> Yeah. No, I totally agree. We don't want

3962
02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:46,160
to seem like a Grinch and nobody wants

3963
02:46:46,160 --> 02:46:46,880
to come.

3964
02:46:46,880 --> 02:46:49,040
>> Exactly. So, I'm asking these questions

3965
02:46:49,040 --> 02:46:50,720
not as a person to say there are

3966
02:46:50,720 --> 02:46:53,520
benefits, but what how much so we can

3967
02:46:53,520 --> 02:46:55,600
try to quantify some of it is what I was

3968
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:56,319
trying to think of.

3969
02:46:56,319 --> 02:46:57,520
>> One thing I'm going to say about the

3970
02:46:57,520 --> 02:47:00,800
Dane, we do talk about this. You know,

3971
02:47:00,800 --> 02:47:02,160
there was one person said they're not

3972
02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:03,680
going to charge any fees this year on

3973
02:47:03,680 --> 02:47:06,479
one event, but all the other events.

3974
02:47:06,479 --> 02:47:09,520
There's fees, entry fees,

3975
02:47:09,520 --> 02:47:11,200
registration fees.

3976
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:11,600
>> Yeah.

3977
02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:13,840
>> And then that group makes up money from

3978
02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:14,319
that.

3979
02:47:14,319 --> 02:47:16,720
>> Yeah. Do we Yeah. Do we gain any tax? Do

3980
02:47:16,720 --> 02:47:18,640
we gain any tax advantage from that when

3981
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:20,399
there's people charging to enter the

3982
02:47:20,399 --> 02:47:22,960
events and we don't have

3983
02:47:22,960 --> 02:47:24,240
>> I'm just curious.

3984
02:47:24,240 --> 02:47:25,680
>> I have to look at our code. We haven't

3985
02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:28,640
been charging an admissions tax now. But

3986
02:47:28,640 --> 02:47:30,080
we don't have do we have one in the

3987
02:47:30,080 --> 02:47:32,080
books for or is there one do we have an

3988
02:47:32,080 --> 02:47:32,560
ordinance for

3989
02:47:32,560 --> 02:47:36,800
>> admission is there tax go

3990
02:47:36,800 --> 02:47:38,399
>> or do we need to create one

3991
02:47:38,399 --> 02:47:40,160
>> so certain events charge an admission

3992
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:41,520
fee

3993
02:47:41,520 --> 02:47:45,200
>> can we get some of that benefit

3994
02:47:45,200 --> 02:47:46,560
>> I'm paraphrasing but that's

3995
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:47,920
>> admissions tax in the books and I'm

3996
02:47:47,920 --> 02:47:48,479
aware

3997
02:47:48,479 --> 02:47:52,399
>> I mean we could have an admissions tax

3998
02:47:52,399 --> 02:47:54,319
>> but then it's also tricky because if

3999
02:47:54,319 --> 02:47:57,359
they're a nonprofit

4000
02:47:57,359 --> 02:47:58,800
>> a lot of times are exempt from the

4001
02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:00,880
missions tax that the nonprofit agency

4002
02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:03,200
is putting on the event

4003
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:05,520
>> or school. You get into the school

4004
02:48:05,520 --> 02:48:07,359
situation.

4005
02:48:07,359 --> 02:48:10,399
>> That's a good proportion.

4006
02:48:10,399 --> 02:48:11,680
>> Yeah. I will tell you Liberty High

4007
02:48:11,680 --> 02:48:13,600
School wasn't happy about paying $50.

4008
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:15,200
You

4009
02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:19,279
thought I'd bankrupted some.

4010
02:48:19,279 --> 02:48:20,960
Well, and we wouldn't charge the

4011
02:48:20,960 --> 02:48:22,720
nonprofits then, but then that would at

4012
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:26,319
least if honestly it might drive more

4013
02:48:26,319 --> 02:48:29,120
nonprofits to doing the events, but then

4014
02:48:29,120 --> 02:48:31,120
it would benefit the nonprofits and may

4015
02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:34,880
not need some of it may help them.

4016
02:48:34,880 --> 02:48:36,399
So, I mean, because there because I know

4017
02:48:36,399 --> 02:48:37,920
there are some events that are privately

4018
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:40,560
funded that are still act out or out

4019
02:48:40,560 --> 02:48:42,080
there that are still charging for

4020
02:48:42,080 --> 02:48:44,880
admissions. The the carnival could be

4021
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:46,000
one of them if they charge for

4022
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:49,439
admissions of the carnival.

4023
02:48:49,439 --> 02:48:51,120
I think they used to years back when it

4024
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:52,720
was at the JC field. They throw it to

4025
02:48:52,720 --> 02:48:55,680
admission, but that's long ago.

4026
02:48:55,680 --> 02:48:56,319
>> Yeah.

4027
02:48:56,319 --> 02:48:59,279
>> Uh is appropriate to mention that we're

4028
02:48:59,279 --> 02:49:02,160
in our engagement with the carnival.

4029
02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:05,359
We're talking about them providing some

4030
02:49:05,359 --> 02:49:08,000
benefits to the facility.

4031
02:49:08,000 --> 02:49:09,359
>> Yeah. Yeah. Please do. Yeah.

4032
02:49:09,359 --> 02:49:11,200
>> Because in in that car, so the Bedford

4033
02:49:11,200 --> 02:49:13,680
carnival first instance was last year at

4034
02:49:13,680 --> 02:49:15,120
Liberty League Park. They're coming

4035
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:16,880
again. They've talked to us about a

4036
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:19,279
long-term arrangement at Liberty Lake

4037
02:49:19,279 --> 02:49:22,240
Park and making some improvements to the

4038
02:49:22,240 --> 02:49:24,880
facilities they use that would exist

4039
02:49:24,880 --> 02:49:27,279
permanently and benefit us and benefit

4040
02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:29,359
our maintenance efforts. So, just want

4041
02:49:29,359 --> 02:49:31,760
to make you aware that there's another

4042
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:34,080
>> we have repeat customers. We've also

4043
02:49:34,080 --> 02:49:36,319
execute I'm I'm going off topic a little

4044
02:49:36,319 --> 02:49:39,520
bit. Also executed anou with county win

4045
02:49:39,520 --> 02:49:41,120
they're the most consistent user of the

4046
02:49:41,120 --> 02:49:42,880
fields. They're going to step up more

4047
02:49:42,880 --> 02:49:46,479
with maintenance to offset our costs.

4048
02:49:46,479 --> 02:49:48,160
there's an idea that somebody has about

4049
02:49:48,160 --> 02:49:50,000
duplicating something like illuminites

4050
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:52,960
on our trail, we can engage them to fix

4051
02:49:52,960 --> 02:49:55,439
the trail and maintain it. That's that's

4052
02:49:55,439 --> 02:49:56,880
different than the fee discussion, but I

4053
02:49:56,880 --> 02:49:58,240
just want you to be aware that part of

4054
02:49:58,240 --> 02:50:00,160
our attempt to reduce our maintenance

4055
02:50:00,160 --> 02:50:01,920
and capital cost

4056
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:03,279
>> relates to following up on these

4057
02:50:03,279 --> 02:50:04,319
relationships where we can.

4058
02:50:04,319 --> 02:50:06,319
>> And I will follow up on that in that Tom

4059
02:50:06,319 --> 02:50:09,120
and I met with uh Joy Powers and what

4060
02:50:09,120 --> 02:50:10,080
was the other ladies?

4061
02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:13,279
>> Carolyn Fellers. Kellen Fel Fellers's uh

4062
02:50:13,279 --> 02:50:14,800
several months back about the county

4063
02:50:14,800 --> 02:50:18,319
fair. Very good meeting and and they

4064
02:50:18,319 --> 02:50:21,439
went off on these ideas. They would like

4065
02:50:21,439 --> 02:50:24,720
some kind of building in the future. Uh

4066
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:27,520
and not just a meet uh building where

4067
02:50:27,520 --> 02:50:29,760
you put up and take down a metal

4068
02:50:29,760 --> 02:50:31,680
building to put all their things in

4069
02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:33,840
their their arts, their crafts,

4070
02:50:33,840 --> 02:50:36,560
different things to expand the county

4071
02:50:36,560 --> 02:50:39,840
fair. And so they talked about

4072
02:50:39,840 --> 02:50:42,000
partnering with the town on these things

4073
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:44,399
which Jonathan Hayden also said that

4074
02:50:44,399 --> 02:50:47,279
about the land that we currently own and

4075
02:50:47,279 --> 02:50:49,520
are not doing anything with talked about

4076
02:50:49,520 --> 02:50:52,080
additional parking additional ideas on

4077
02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:55,279
that. So there are ideas out there that

4078
02:50:55,279 --> 02:50:57,200
they are serious about

4079
02:50:57,200 --> 02:50:59,279
>> and we could capture that as an inind

4080
02:50:59,279 --> 02:51:01,840
cost on their part. Follow up on D.

4081
02:51:01,840 --> 02:51:02,640
That's why I brought it.

4082
02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:04,640
>> Yeah. So yeah, I appreciate that.

4083
02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:05,840
>> And that's what I would say it was an

4084
02:51:05,840 --> 02:51:08,080
inind cost. I think that would cover.

4085
02:51:08,080 --> 02:51:09,840
>> Yeah, but that's what I've been saying a

4086
02:51:09,840 --> 02:51:11,920
lot about a lot of these things. If we

4087
02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:14,720
can get partners to go in with us and

4088
02:51:14,720 --> 02:51:17,279
help out, not the town go it alone, and

4089
02:51:17,279 --> 02:51:19,040
that's kind of what we're looking for.

4090
02:51:19,040 --> 02:51:21,040
And and with Jonathan and his group

4091
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:23,920
there, they are more than willing to

4092
02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:26,640
help out or do what they can. We we just

4093
02:51:26,640 --> 02:51:29,200
need to get someone, as I said earlier,

4094
02:51:29,200 --> 02:51:31,680
to start driving that and moving forward

4095
02:51:31,680 --> 02:51:36,479
and seeing what we can or cannot do. And I think I think all these partners

4096
02:51:36,479 --> 02:51:38,240
we're talking about really do benefit

4097
02:51:38,240 --> 02:51:39,279
the town.

4098
02:51:39,279 --> 02:51:39,920
>> Absolutely.

4099
02:51:39,920 --> 02:51:40,800
>> The events that some

4100
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:43,120
>> No doubt they right.

4101
02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:44,000
>> Yeah.

4102
02:51:44,000 --> 02:51:47,600
>> So I'm glad you mentioned that.

4103
02:51:47,600 --> 02:51:52,710
>> What else?

4104
02:51:52,720 --> 02:51:54,399
Deborah's back there pointing to the

4105
02:51:54,399 --> 02:52:00,560
hall. Do you all want to finish this one and then go eat or what? What

4106
02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:03,600
else on the financials or do you want to

4107
02:52:03,600 --> 02:52:05,200
ask or what's on your mind?

4108
02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:06,000
>> Finish this section.

4109
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:07,200
>> Yeah, finish it up.

4110
02:52:07,200 --> 02:52:10,000
>> Yeah, let's finish it before.

4111
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:11,600
>> Your sto must be ground.

4112
02:52:11,600 --> 02:52:15,439
>> No, no, that might actually

4113
02:52:15,439 --> 02:52:17,520
covered everything that I had my notes

4114
02:52:17,520 --> 02:52:24,950
on. I have so

4115
02:52:24,960 --> 02:52:25,520
I guess

4116
02:52:25,520 --> 02:52:27,040
>> I mean anything that you y you all think

4117
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:29,600
about later we can come back to

4118
02:52:29,600 --> 02:52:31,520
>> I guess the only question I'd have and

4119
02:52:31,520 --> 02:52:34,160
just as a point of clarification was on

4120
02:52:34,160 --> 02:52:36,800
page 71 the refuge collection fees the

4121
02:52:36,800 --> 02:52:38,960
building I know the tren shows it down

4122
02:52:38,960 --> 02:52:41,439
in 26 but I'm guess that's due to

4123
02:52:41,439 --> 02:52:44,319
commercial exactly

4124
02:52:44,319 --> 02:52:47,120
>> and I'll say the decrease in the fee is

4125
02:52:47,120 --> 02:52:48,800
a lot less than the decrease in the

4126
02:52:48,800 --> 02:52:55,110
cost.

4127
02:52:55,120 --> 02:53:05,349
» All right, page 72

4128
02:53:05,359 --> 02:53:10,790
73

4129
02:53:10,800 --> 02:53:18,790
74 75

4130
02:53:18,800 --> 02:53:20,399
As I said, anything we can come back to

4131
02:53:20,399 --> 02:53:24,399
if y'all want to, but uh

4132
02:53:24,399 --> 02:53:26,160
you got anything?

4133
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:26,960
You okay?

4134
02:53:26,960 --> 02:53:28,880
>> I'm good. You good?

4135
02:53:28,880 --> 02:53:30,720
>> I can ask one question.

4136
02:53:30,720 --> 02:53:32,000
>> Please do.

4137
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:34,240
>> We got till 12.

4138
02:53:34,240 --> 02:53:37,359
>> And they won't take that. is uh on on 74

4139
02:53:37,359 --> 02:53:42,240
and the proposed 27 I the contingency

4140
02:53:42,240 --> 02:53:45,600
will that I mean if are in a perfect

4141
02:53:45,600 --> 02:53:48,319
world this year nothing goes wrong we

4142
02:53:48,319 --> 02:53:50,479
will we just roll that over as a general

4143
02:53:50,479 --> 02:53:51,520
fund thing

4144
02:53:51,520 --> 02:53:54,000
>> that's the hope and almost all of that

4145
02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:56,800
is either debt funding that's planned in

4146
02:53:56,800 --> 02:53:58,399
the general fund solid based fund and

4147
02:53:58,399 --> 02:54:00,319
then the electric fund has a healthy

4148
02:54:00,319 --> 02:54:05,510
contingency this year

4149
02:54:05,520 --> 02:54:08,160
And that's all I have

4150
02:54:08,160 --> 02:54:12,950
>> for now.

4151
02:54:12,960 --> 02:54:18,309
» All right. Anything on 75? P 875.

4152
02:54:18,319 --> 02:54:19,840
All right. Then the next one when we

4153
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:22,800
come back will be the CIP

4154
02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:24,880
capital improvement program. Everybody

4155
02:54:24,880 --> 02:54:29,520
good? Yep. Then let's break for lunch.

4156
02:54:29,520 --> 03:30:13,590
Welcome to Yeah.

4157
03:30:13,600 --> 03:30:14,800
too, right?

4158
03:30:14,800 --> 03:30:22,070
>> Yes.

4159
03:30:22,080 --> 03:30:24,720
» We were fast tracking.

4160
03:30:24,720 --> 03:30:26,479
>> Daryl and I discussed everything else in

4161
03:30:26,479 --> 03:30:27,040
between.

4162
03:30:27,040 --> 03:30:31,040
>> Yeah. I think we left off page 170. Oh,

4163
03:30:31,040 --> 03:30:36,800
excuse me. 176. 76. Um, real quick, Mary

4164
03:30:36,800 --> 03:30:39,520
is back. If you all had any questions

4165
03:30:39,520 --> 03:30:43,990
ABOUT

4166
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:47,200
» Are you enjoying your meal, ma'am?

4167
03:30:47,200 --> 03:30:48,880
>> If you have any questions about

4168
03:30:48,880 --> 03:30:50,880
community development, we'll wait till

4169
03:30:50,880 --> 03:30:53,120
she's finished and then ask her any

4170
03:30:53,120 --> 03:30:54,640
questions.

4171
03:30:54,640 --> 03:30:56,160
>> I think Barb pretty much answered.

4172
03:30:56,160 --> 03:30:56,720
>> Yeah.

4173
03:30:56,720 --> 03:30:59,040
Oh, I don't know.

4174
03:30:59,040 --> 03:31:00,080
>> Yeah,

4175
03:31:00,080 --> 03:31:00,720
>> did a great job.

4176
03:31:00,720 --> 03:31:04,800
>> He He did a great job for you, Mayor.

4177
03:31:04,800 --> 03:31:06,960
>> All right. I think we left off on page

4178
03:31:06,960 --> 03:31:10,640
76. Uh, moving forward, the government's

4179
03:31:10,640 --> 03:31:13,200
movement programs.

4180
03:31:13,200 --> 03:31:14,000
Let's go.

4181
03:31:14,000 --> 03:31:16,800
>> Yeah, there's not a lot,

4182
03:31:16,800 --> 03:31:18,319
but there's a lot to talk about in the

4183
03:31:18,319 --> 03:31:22,790
future.

4184
03:31:22,800 --> 03:31:24,880
Um,

4185
03:31:24,880 --> 03:31:26,720
one thing I just want to mention

4186
03:31:26,720 --> 03:31:29,760
strategically, uh, you know, just going

4187
03:31:29,760 --> 03:31:32,080
that list in public works, we're looking

4188
03:31:32,080 --> 03:31:34,720
at doing some work in the parks in two

4189
03:31:34,720 --> 03:31:37,520
places. One is Bulipane Park. We have to

4190
03:31:37,520 --> 03:31:40,160
do that. There's some legal obligations

4191
03:31:40,160 --> 03:31:41,680
>> related to when we took over ownership

4192
03:31:41,680 --> 03:31:45,279
of that that we're wrapping up. Um,

4193
03:31:45,279 --> 03:31:46,560
talking about the literally park

4194
03:31:46,560 --> 03:31:48,160
restrooms, Tom and I have talked about

4195
03:31:48,160 --> 03:31:51,200
this and here want to share our approach

4196
03:31:51,200 --> 03:31:53,279
to that, you know, the idea of Portage

4197
03:31:53,279 --> 03:31:54,960
John's nobody really likes, including

4198
03:31:54,960 --> 03:31:57,439
us. So, we're talking about the idea of

4199
03:31:57,439 --> 03:31:59,680
maybe constructing permanent facilities

4200
03:31:59,680 --> 03:32:01,920
that, okay, they're restrooms with water

4201
03:32:01,920 --> 03:32:04,160
fountain facilities

4202
03:32:04,160 --> 03:32:07,120
at each kind of pod or sector of the

4203
03:32:07,120 --> 03:32:08,560
park. And the first one we've talked

4204
03:32:08,560 --> 03:32:10,880
about is, you know, up by the tennis

4205
03:32:10,880 --> 03:32:13,520
courts and the playground up up top

4206
03:32:13,520 --> 03:32:15,439
doing that figuring out how this works.

4207
03:32:15,439 --> 03:32:17,600
Doing it one year,

4208
03:32:17,600 --> 03:32:20,479
not to be improper, you know, one seater

4209
03:32:20,479 --> 03:32:22,720
each side, that kind of thing. Then

4210
03:32:22,720 --> 03:32:24,479
maybe the next year doing it at field

4211
03:32:24,479 --> 03:32:26,560
one and the next year at field two and

4212
03:32:26,560 --> 03:32:28,479
next year down at the pavilion by the

4213
03:32:28,479 --> 03:32:31,279
lake. Kind of incrementally as we can

4214
03:32:31,279 --> 03:32:33,120
afford it,

4215
03:32:33,120 --> 03:32:35,040
respond to some of the concerns of the

4216
03:32:35,040 --> 03:32:37,279
public that frankly we have too.

4217
03:32:37,279 --> 03:32:39,359
and and restrooms were things we heard

4218
03:32:39,359 --> 03:32:40,399
about.

4219
03:32:40,399 --> 03:32:42,160
>> So that that's our approach to it. And

4220
03:32:42,160 --> 03:32:44,399
Tom, you jump up and smack me if I said

4221
03:32:44,399 --> 03:32:47,279
something wrong.

4222
03:32:47,279 --> 03:32:48,960
>> I don't I'm not sure I missed Oh, I

4223
03:32:48,960 --> 03:32:50,640
missed the first part of that. You

4224
03:32:50,640 --> 03:32:52,160
talking about permanent

4225
03:32:52,160 --> 03:32:54,239
>> permanent? Yeah. Something. Yeah. With

4226
03:32:54,239 --> 03:32:55,359
running water and

4227
03:32:55,359 --> 03:32:56,160
>> Yeah. Right. Okay.

4228
03:32:56,160 --> 03:32:57,600
>> Probably electricity.

4229
03:32:57,600 --> 03:33:00,800
>> I think that's a great idea. Great. And

4230
03:33:00,800 --> 03:33:01,760
we need to

4231
03:33:01,760 --> 03:33:02,960
>> now we don't know what that looks like

4232
03:33:02,960 --> 03:33:04,640
yet. We're we're looking at modular

4233
03:33:04,640 --> 03:33:07,439
options obviously.

4234
03:33:07,439 --> 03:33:10,239
Yeah, I I'll just jump. Uh there are

4235
03:33:10,239 --> 03:33:13,520
some modulars that that operate like a

4236
03:33:13,520 --> 03:33:17,439
porta john they that they and I had

4237
03:33:17,439 --> 03:33:19,840
already talked to uh Brad Bay who you

4238
03:33:19,840 --> 03:33:22,640
who utilizes uh maintains the port John

4239
03:33:22,640 --> 03:33:24,880
we had where the truck comes in cleans

4240
03:33:24,880 --> 03:33:29,680
it out that kind of thing. But they are a building though. They just

4241
03:33:29,680 --> 03:33:32,960
don't have water and and the sewer lines

4242
03:33:32,960 --> 03:33:35,120
that have to be run to them. They're

4243
03:33:35,120 --> 03:33:37,279
self-contained, but it's a building.

4244
03:33:37,279 --> 03:33:39,120
It's not a portage, not like a plastic

4245
03:33:39,120 --> 03:33:40,720
thing.

4246
03:33:40,720 --> 03:33:44,080
>> So, it's, you know, it's upscale, but no

4247
03:33:44,080 --> 03:33:46,319
water needs to be run to it because

4248
03:33:46,319 --> 03:33:47,680
frankly, we were talking about, I mean,

4249
03:33:47,680 --> 03:33:49,520
that'd be the preference, but that's

4250
03:33:49,520 --> 03:33:51,040
going to cost quite a bit,

4251
03:33:51,040 --> 03:33:54,160
>> especially per unit.

4252
03:33:54,160 --> 03:33:56,399
>> I'll give you another example. We were

4253
03:33:56,399 --> 03:33:59,439
um there was a u

4254
03:33:59,439 --> 03:34:01,840
standalone water fountain by the uh

4255
03:34:01,840 --> 03:34:04,479
tennis courts and that was there. had

4256
03:34:04,479 --> 03:34:06,880
been existing for years but wasn't

4257
03:34:06,880 --> 03:34:09,359
working. But we started researching and

4258
03:34:09,359 --> 03:34:11,840
getting into it. We found where the the

4259
03:34:11,840 --> 03:34:14,399
valve was. The valve was shut off. So we

4260
03:34:14,399 --> 03:34:15,920
turned it on and the thing start

4261
03:34:15,920 --> 03:34:18,960
spraying out. So, you know, we get

4262
03:34:18,960 --> 03:34:21,279
farther into it. You know, long story

4263
03:34:21,279 --> 03:34:23,920
short, it needs to be replaced. The the

4264
03:34:23,920 --> 03:34:25,840
components that are underground are

4265
03:34:25,840 --> 03:34:27,680
either worn out or rusted out or

4266
03:34:27,680 --> 03:34:30,720
whatever. A standalone the cheapest

4267
03:34:30,720 --> 03:34:33,120
standalone water fountain that I can

4268
03:34:33,120 --> 03:34:37,920
find. And I've had uh

4269
03:34:37,920 --> 03:34:40,800
Whit look into it. I've had Select Air

4270
03:34:40,800 --> 03:34:42,560
look into it. And I looked into myself.

4271
03:34:42,560 --> 03:34:46,239
The cheapest one I can find is $9,000

4272
03:34:46,239 --> 03:34:50,160
just for a standalone water fountain.

4273
03:34:50,160 --> 03:34:53,200
And from the two contractors, it was

4274
03:34:53,200 --> 03:34:54,720
much more than that. It's closer to

4275
03:34:54,720 --> 03:34:56,239
15,000.

4276
03:34:56,239 --> 03:34:59,840
So that's why that's going undone right

4277
03:34:59,840 --> 03:35:01,680
now because 10 grand for a water pound

4278
03:35:01,680 --> 03:35:04,560
is hard to justify. But uh but yeah,

4279
03:35:04,560 --> 03:35:06,080
we're going to do something. But like I

4280
03:35:06,080 --> 03:35:08,239
said, it's the cost. It's a little cost

4281
03:35:08,239 --> 03:35:10,239
prohibitive. Run the water and sewer

4282
03:35:10,239 --> 03:35:12,000
lines and all that. So we were looking

4283
03:35:12,000 --> 03:35:14,800
at other options. So

4284
03:35:14,800 --> 03:35:16,160
the cost of our standalone

4285
03:35:16,160 --> 03:35:19,279
self-contained unit is much less still a

4286
03:35:19,279 --> 03:35:20,000
little bit.

4287
03:35:20,000 --> 03:35:23,760
>> I got to speak of it. Did we do we have

4288
03:35:23,760 --> 03:35:26,640
defibrillators at our parks?

4289
03:35:26,640 --> 03:35:27,760
>> No sir.

4290
03:35:27,760 --> 03:35:30,000
>> Though it's going to be required. Yeah,

4291
03:35:30,000 --> 03:35:32,000
we that that was a discussion that came

4292
03:35:32,000 --> 03:35:36,720
up uh not long ago about our lack of

4293
03:35:36,720 --> 03:35:39,120
throughout the whole city, you know, or

4294
03:35:39,120 --> 03:35:42,080
town.

4295
03:35:42,080 --> 03:35:43,680
So, yes, sir.

4296
03:35:43,680 --> 03:35:46,399
>> That's something else.

4297
03:35:46,399 --> 03:35:48,880
>> So, on these modules, are they do you

4298
03:35:48,880 --> 03:35:50,479
have to run power to them, have lights

4299
03:35:50,479 --> 03:35:53,439
in them? you uh you can a couple of them

4300
03:35:53,439 --> 03:35:57,359
were solar powered but uh power would I

4301
03:35:57,359 --> 03:35:59,520
believe I in my opinion my humble

4302
03:35:59,520 --> 03:36:01,600
opinion I think p getting power to it

4303
03:36:01,600 --> 03:36:04,160
would be much easier

4304
03:36:04,160 --> 03:36:06,479
wouldn't be much much of an issue

4305
03:36:06,479 --> 03:36:08,160
because we do have power up there with

4306
03:36:08,160 --> 03:36:10,080
some street lights and some other things

4307
03:36:10,080 --> 03:36:13,520
and at the pavilions so running power to

4308
03:36:13,520 --> 03:36:15,120
it I don't think would be a big deal but

4309
03:36:15,120 --> 03:36:17,520
yes sir that would it would be able to

4310
03:36:17,520 --> 03:36:24,710
be excuse me utilized at night

4311
03:36:24,720 --> 03:36:27,520
Sounds good. I know I know we get

4312
03:36:27,520 --> 03:36:29,520
criticized at times for what's down

4313
03:36:29,520 --> 03:36:31,920
there, but I know our our granddaughter

4314
03:36:31,920 --> 03:36:34,080
is playing lacrosse and we go to big

4315
03:36:34,080 --> 03:36:36,239
parks in Lynchburg and Ron Oak and they

4316
03:36:36,239 --> 03:36:37,840
have the Porter John's there. So,

4317
03:36:37,840 --> 03:36:39,279
they're everywhere.

4318
03:36:39,279 --> 03:36:41,200
>> Yeah. Yeah. Porter John's, you know,

4319
03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:43,279
when you really need it, they're they're

4320
03:36:43,279 --> 03:36:44,160
handy. But,

4321
03:36:44,160 --> 03:36:46,319
>> and that's what you like. Like I said

4322
03:36:46,319 --> 03:36:47,920
with the standalone unit, I had talked

4323
03:36:47,920 --> 03:36:50,960
to Brad Baines because they they utilize

4324
03:36:50,960 --> 03:36:52,880
those, but he said he'd never heard of

4325
03:36:52,880 --> 03:36:54,160
such a thing and it was something I

4326
03:36:54,160 --> 03:36:56,960
found online. Um, but he goes, "Sure."

4327
03:36:56,960 --> 03:36:59,200
He goes, "If it's got a holding tank and

4328
03:36:59,200 --> 03:37:02,160
that kind of he goes, why not?" He goes,

4329
03:37:02,160 --> 03:37:03,840
"It's no different than what we do now

4330
03:37:03,840 --> 03:37:06,080
with the with the small unit." So,

4331
03:37:06,080 --> 03:37:08,560
>> yeah. And I've never seen this, but I

4332
03:37:08,560 --> 03:37:10,319
know some of the guys that did storm

4333
03:37:10,319 --> 03:37:12,239
restoration out of state talked about

4334
03:37:12,239 --> 03:37:15,279
it. There were some that had full

4335
03:37:15,279 --> 03:37:17,359
running water, electricity, everything

4336
03:37:17,359 --> 03:37:19,840
in there just like a normal toilet and

4337
03:37:19,840 --> 03:37:23,760
uh it's very a lot of different things

4338
03:37:23,760 --> 03:37:25,359
out there depending on what you want to

4339
03:37:25,359 --> 03:37:25,760
spend.

4340
03:37:25,760 --> 03:37:26,880
>> Yes, sir. That's correct.

4341
03:37:26,880 --> 03:37:28,479
>> So, I jumped ahead a little bit with the

4342
03:37:28,479 --> 03:37:29,840
parks. That was the one thing that we

4343
03:37:29,840 --> 03:37:31,520
heard consistently and yes,

4344
03:37:31,520 --> 03:37:33,279
>> we are working to address. Now, there

4345
03:37:33,279 --> 03:37:35,200
are several things in the CIP that we're

4346
03:37:35,200 --> 03:37:36,960
looking to fund through short-term

4347
03:37:36,960 --> 03:37:38,479
financing.

4348
03:37:38,479 --> 03:37:39,920
And let me I'm going to speak to this

4349
03:37:39,920 --> 03:37:41,359
Tuesday at council meeting for the

4350
03:37:41,359 --> 03:37:42,960
benefit of the public. But to let you

4351
03:37:42,960 --> 03:37:46,080
know where we are on this building,

4352
03:37:46,080 --> 03:37:47,840
Thompson Len is coming up with two

4353
03:37:47,840 --> 03:37:49,920
potential options for air conditioning.

4354
03:37:49,920 --> 03:37:53,040
One is replacing a water chiller system

4355
03:37:53,040 --> 03:37:55,760
like the one we have. The other is use

4356
03:37:55,760 --> 03:37:59,760
of mini splits, multiple minplit units.

4357
03:37:59,760 --> 03:38:02,160
They recommend the mini splits. Tom and

4358
03:38:02,160 --> 03:38:04,000
I like the mini splits. The issue with

4359
03:38:04,000 --> 03:38:06,479
the mini splits is trying to get an

4360
03:38:06,479 --> 03:38:07,680
answer on this, but I think we already

4361
03:38:07,680 --> 03:38:09,040
know it. They're going to go on the

4362
03:38:09,040 --> 03:38:10,479
roof.

4363
03:38:10,479 --> 03:38:12,479
>> He did send us an email last night.

4364
03:38:12,479 --> 03:38:13,200
>> Okay.

4365
03:38:13,200 --> 03:38:16,640
>> I meant to respond. Uh in short, he said

4366
03:38:16,640 --> 03:38:18,239
that they are doing everything they can

4367
03:38:18,239 --> 03:38:20,560
do to to avoid the roof.

4368
03:38:20,560 --> 03:38:21,600
>> Okay.

4369
03:38:21,600 --> 03:38:23,920
>> But if but if they had but if it was a

4370
03:38:23,920 --> 03:38:27,279
necessity that they would uh go to

4371
03:38:27,279 --> 03:38:29,920
Senbar who did the roof and has the

4372
03:38:29,920 --> 03:38:31,760
warranty on it. Thank you. can explain

4373
03:38:31,760 --> 03:38:34,640
and work with them. So if they did go on

4374
03:38:34,640 --> 03:38:37,439
the roof, Senmar could have a rep or

4375
03:38:37,439 --> 03:38:39,359
they could have an agreement as to what

4376
03:38:39,359 --> 03:38:42,640
work could be done without negating the warrant.

4377
03:38:42,640 --> 03:38:44,080
>> So they're willing to work with it.

4378
03:38:44,080 --> 03:38:44,479
Okay.

4379
03:38:44,479 --> 03:38:46,560
>> Yes, we just got that from Barry last

4380
03:38:46,560 --> 03:38:47,439
night.

4381
03:38:47,439 --> 03:38:49,439
>> So

4382
03:38:49,439 --> 03:38:51,439
ready to present that to you all for

4383
03:38:51,439 --> 03:38:52,880
action. But before we we want to make

4384
03:38:52,880 --> 03:38:54,640
sure we had all the detail. Obviously,

4385
03:38:54,640 --> 03:38:57,040
in solving one problem with the HVAC, we

4386
03:38:57,040 --> 03:38:57,920
don't want to create another one with

4387
03:38:57,920 --> 03:38:59,279
the roof that we just

4388
03:38:59,279 --> 03:39:03,990
>> paid $30,000.

4389
03:39:04,000 --> 03:39:06,560
» Also

4390
03:39:06,560 --> 03:39:08,880
want to make sure we get a full view of

4391
03:39:08,880 --> 03:39:10,720
how things are working. You gave us

4392
03:39:10,720 --> 03:39:13,760
30,000 to implement a temporary solution

4393
03:39:13,760 --> 03:39:15,600
which has not been installed yet, but I

4394
03:39:15,600 --> 03:39:18,319
will tell you from my perspective, if

4395
03:39:18,319 --> 03:39:20,479
that works and carries us through the

4396
03:39:20,479 --> 03:39:22,160
summer,

4397
03:39:22,160 --> 03:39:24,960
that stretches out our time on moving

4398
03:39:24,960 --> 03:39:29,120
forward on all the replacement and also

4399
03:39:29,120 --> 03:39:31,120
defers the payments a little bit, too.

4400
03:39:31,120 --> 03:39:33,200
So, I'm not dragging my feet, but I'm

4401
03:39:33,200 --> 03:39:35,120
trying to be responsible with the

4402
03:39:35,120 --> 03:39:36,960
temporary solution as well as the

4403
03:39:36,960 --> 03:39:39,600
long-term solution. And I'll explain all

4404
03:39:39,600 --> 03:39:42,160
this Tuesday as well, but since that's

4405
03:39:42,160 --> 03:39:44,319
we still estimate 2.5 million for all

4406
03:39:44,319 --> 03:39:46,880
the HVAC, all the electrical work and

4407
03:39:46,880 --> 03:39:51,600
what we might be borrowing. So, okay.

4408
03:39:51,600 --> 03:39:53,040
And then there are several other things

4409
03:39:53,040 --> 03:39:55,760
including a couple of u capital items

4410
03:39:55,760 --> 03:39:59,279
related to solid waste.

4411
03:39:59,279 --> 03:40:00,800
So

4412
03:40:00,800 --> 03:40:02,720
we I think it might be appropriate I

4413
03:40:02,720 --> 03:40:04,160
know it's a solid waste fund discussion

4414
03:40:04,160 --> 03:40:06,560
but to talk about the transfer station

4415
03:40:06,560 --> 03:40:08,160
and then also to talk about these other

4416
03:40:08,160 --> 03:40:09,600
things in light of our residential

4417
03:40:09,600 --> 03:40:11,120
service

4418
03:40:11,120 --> 03:40:13,920
because in our conversations with the

4419
03:40:13,920 --> 03:40:16,479
one respondent for the franchise they've

4420
03:40:16,479 --> 03:40:18,080
asked if we would be if we would

4421
03:40:18,080 --> 03:40:20,720
consider contracting out at least a

4422
03:40:20,720 --> 03:40:23,200
portion of our residential trash pickup

4423
03:40:23,200 --> 03:40:25,680
service.

4424
03:40:25,680 --> 03:40:27,200
And I'm sorry this is a lot to throw at

4425
03:40:27,200 --> 03:40:30,319
you this morning based on that but it

4426
03:40:30,319 --> 03:40:33,200
could inform some other things.

4427
03:40:33,200 --> 03:40:35,040
And I guess the first thing was first

4428
03:40:35,040 --> 03:40:36,960
thing is

4429
03:40:36,960 --> 03:40:40,000
can we talk about closing the transfer

4430
03:40:40,000 --> 03:40:45,670
station as soon as possible.

4431
03:40:45,680 --> 03:40:47,279
You will get yelled at for that by

4432
03:40:47,279 --> 03:40:49,120
people who use it. But as I said at the

4433
03:40:49,120 --> 03:40:50,560
beginning of the meeting, that's a

4434
03:40:50,560 --> 03:40:52,960
straight up duplication of services. We

4435
03:40:52,960 --> 03:40:55,279
are spending at least $100,000 in

4436
03:40:55,279 --> 03:40:57,200
expenditures related to probably more

4437
03:40:57,200 --> 03:40:59,120
like 150

4438
03:40:59,120 --> 03:41:01,279
>> and we have huge capital items lingering

4439
03:41:01,279 --> 03:41:02,960
if we want to continue to use it

4440
03:41:02,960 --> 03:41:05,359
>> and we don't need it.

4441
03:41:05,359 --> 03:41:07,680
>> So we'd close the station then in the

4442
03:41:07,680 --> 03:41:10,080
interim before possibly the franchisee

4443
03:41:10,080 --> 03:41:11,120
would come in. Is that what you're

4444
03:41:11,120 --> 03:41:13,359
saying? Well,

4445
03:41:13,359 --> 03:41:14,800
what we're hearing from the franchisee

4446
03:41:14,800 --> 03:41:17,600
is they don't really think they the only

4447
03:41:17,600 --> 03:41:18,880
way they have a use for it is if they

4448
03:41:18,880 --> 03:41:20,319
can use it in conjunction with another

4449
03:41:20,319 --> 03:41:22,160
service that they're not currently

4450
03:41:22,160 --> 03:41:27,349
providing.

4451
03:41:27,359 --> 03:41:29,040
» Doesn't make money.

4452
03:41:29,040 --> 03:41:30,560
>> Well, I mean, it doesn't make sense.

4453
03:41:30,560 --> 03:41:31,920
>> It doesn't make money any more money for

4454
03:41:31,920 --> 03:41:33,120
them than it would for us. That's kind

4455
03:41:33,120 --> 03:41:34,880
of where we I mean, I I like taking

4456
03:41:34,880 --> 03:41:36,479
stuff over there, but it doesn't make

4457
03:41:36,479 --> 03:41:38,880
sense for to me to the for the town in

4458
03:41:38,880 --> 03:41:41,840
general to keep it open and then start

4459
03:41:41,840 --> 03:41:43,359
incurring the cost for the roll on

4460
03:41:43,359 --> 03:41:45,439
rolloffs you need and the those other

4461
03:41:45,439 --> 03:41:46,960
things that we're have to buy to keep it

4462
03:41:46,960 --> 03:41:47,520
going. So,

4463
03:41:47,520 --> 03:41:49,359
>> and if you go just a couple more miles,

4464
03:41:49,359 --> 03:41:51,439
you're paying taxes to use a pretty nice

4465
03:41:51,439 --> 03:41:52,319
facility in

4466
03:41:52,319 --> 03:41:56,469
>> Sure. Yeah.

4467
03:41:56,479 --> 03:41:58,000
» So, are you wanting us to make a

4468
03:41:58,000 --> 03:42:00,399
decision? I offer some guidance because

4469
03:42:00,399 --> 03:42:02,160
well

4470
03:42:02,160 --> 03:42:04,080
this helps in our negotiation with with

4471
03:42:04,080 --> 03:42:05,520
the person interested in the franchise

4472
03:42:05,520 --> 03:42:08,080
too because part of our leverage is we

4473
03:42:08,080 --> 03:42:11,120
don't need it and but if they need it in

4474
03:42:11,120 --> 03:42:12,399
conjunction with something else that's

4475
03:42:12,399 --> 03:42:14,960
the guidance we so it's kind of like

4476
03:42:14,960 --> 03:42:16,160
when we negotiate some things with

4477
03:42:16,160 --> 03:42:17,680
reversion we have to establish a

4478
03:42:17,680 --> 03:42:20,000
position first off that we know we can

4479
03:42:20,000 --> 03:42:21,120
defend

4480
03:42:21,120 --> 03:42:22,880
>> the next question is do we want to talk

4481
03:42:22,880 --> 03:42:24,640
about residential zones

4482
03:42:24,640 --> 03:42:26,720
>> well first I would I would be with Dave

4483
03:42:26,720 --> 03:42:29,200
if it's costing us money that's that's

4484
03:42:29,200 --> 03:42:31,680
just closed it because I go out to the

4485
03:42:31,680 --> 03:42:33,600
county. I don't I don't come to the town

4486
03:42:33,600 --> 03:42:35,520
to drop my trash off. I go out to the

4487
03:42:35,520 --> 03:42:37,600
county landfill and drop all mine off

4488
03:42:37,600 --> 03:42:39,040
because it's a service the county

4489
03:42:39,040 --> 03:42:42,080
provides to me for my taxes.

4490
03:42:42,080 --> 03:42:44,720
>> Can I ask can I ask a question? Right

4491
03:42:44,720 --> 03:42:46,960
now the poles that we remove from

4492
03:42:46,960 --> 03:42:50,160
service we take to the transfer station

4493
03:42:50,160 --> 03:42:52,880
>> and theoretically they were ground up or

4494
03:42:52,880 --> 03:42:55,279
what whatever we we didn't want to have

4495
03:42:55,279 --> 03:42:57,840
the liability of giving them to out to

4496
03:42:57,840 --> 03:43:00,880
the public. So if you close it that

4497
03:43:00,880 --> 03:43:02,160
means we have to go to the county

4498
03:43:02,160 --> 03:43:05,600
landfill. Is that are they going to you

4499
03:43:05,600 --> 03:43:07,520
remember they're barking about oh you're

4500
03:43:07,520 --> 03:43:10,960
using commercial out here. Yes.

4501
03:43:10,960 --> 03:43:13,040
>> Is that going to jeopardize our

4502
03:43:13,040 --> 03:43:14,960
situation with that? Well, that's what

4503
03:43:14,960 --> 03:43:15,840
you're talking about though is

4504
03:43:15,840 --> 03:43:16,880
commercial waste.

4505
03:43:16,880 --> 03:43:17,120
>> Yeah.

4506
03:43:17,120 --> 03:43:19,840
>> By any definition, we we resolved that

4507
03:43:19,840 --> 03:43:21,120
by getting out of the commercial

4508
03:43:21,120 --> 03:43:21,760
business.

4509
03:43:21,760 --> 03:43:22,160
>> Yeah.

4510
03:43:22,160 --> 03:43:23,680
>> You would have to pay for what you

4511
03:43:23,680 --> 03:43:24,399
dropped.

4512
03:43:24,399 --> 03:43:26,399
>> But what you took? Yes.

4513
03:43:26,399 --> 03:43:29,279
>> Now, does that cost outweigh the savings

4514
03:43:29,279 --> 03:43:30,479
is the question.

4515
03:43:30,479 --> 03:43:32,880
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We don't think so.

4516
03:43:32,880 --> 03:43:35,040
>> There's other material that we do that

4517
03:43:35,040 --> 03:43:39,279
with as well. So, um I guess we just

4518
03:43:39,279 --> 03:43:41,040
reroute to the county

4519
03:43:41,040 --> 03:43:42,560
>> or somewhere else if it's more

4520
03:43:42,560 --> 03:43:43,840
efficient.

4521
03:43:43,840 --> 03:43:44,960
probably the calendar.

4522
03:43:44,960 --> 03:43:46,960
>> And then also like if we're cutting a

4523
03:43:46,960 --> 03:43:49,680
tree, we take the logs from the tree

4524
03:43:49,680 --> 03:43:52,960
over there most of the time. We used to

4525
03:43:52,960 --> 03:43:54,880
try and work with a property owner if he

4526
03:43:54,880 --> 03:43:56,479
says, "Oh yeah, I want the logs." But

4527
03:43:56,479 --> 03:43:58,479
then they sit there for 6 months and the

4528
03:43:58,479 --> 03:44:00,560
neighbors start complaining and so we

4529
03:44:00,560 --> 03:44:02,560
stop doing that.

4530
03:44:02,560 --> 03:44:05,520
So we're kind of in a situation where we

4531
03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:08,720
do cut quite a few trees. We end up

4532
03:44:08,720 --> 03:44:12,000
taking landfill. And brush grinding is a

4533
03:44:12,000 --> 03:44:14,080
separate conversation.

4534
03:44:14,080 --> 03:44:16,160
>> That would be a I'm sorry to interrupt,

4535
03:44:16,160 --> 03:44:19,040
but I wanted to when currently we

4536
03:44:19,040 --> 03:44:22,000
contract out uh brush brush grinding

4537
03:44:22,000 --> 03:44:24,960
services to Bedford movement. So we have

4538
03:44:24,960 --> 03:44:27,920
a contract with them. It could be

4539
03:44:27,920 --> 03:44:30,239
possibility that either we allow them to

4540
03:44:30,239 --> 03:44:32,800
still continue to grind on that that

4541
03:44:32,800 --> 03:44:35,520
site even though it's closed. Uh the

4542
03:44:35,520 --> 03:44:38,560
owner of Bedford, Jimmy Andrews, has

4543
03:44:38,560 --> 03:44:40,479
property throughout. Maybe he would do

4544
03:44:40,479 --> 03:44:42,239
something else where we could deliver

4545
03:44:42,239 --> 03:44:44,399
brush. I mean, it still would be become

4546
03:44:44,399 --> 03:44:47,680
an issue uh for my department as well

4547
03:44:47,680 --> 03:44:51,600
because we unless you deem it otherwise.

4548
03:44:51,600 --> 03:44:55,279
We we'd still have to pick up brush and have to deliver either to the county

4549
03:44:55,279 --> 03:44:59,439
or wherever because um the uh gentleman

4550
03:44:59,439 --> 03:45:02,960
who's who's off who put in the RFD uh

4551
03:45:02,960 --> 03:45:04,000
doesn't do.

4552
03:45:04,000 --> 03:45:06,720
>> Yeah. So that would be a factor and as

4553
03:45:06,720 --> 03:45:09,359
well as leaves leave pickup. So that'd

4554
03:45:09,359 --> 03:45:11,359
be another consideration. But I just

4555
03:45:11,359 --> 03:45:13,279
wanted to throw that out there that we

4556
03:45:13,279 --> 03:45:15,760
do contract out that grinding service.

4557
03:45:15,760 --> 03:45:18,080
So I think there is something that could

4558
03:45:18,080 --> 03:45:22,229
be worked out.

4559
03:45:22,239 --> 03:45:24,720
» If I was to close it because it's you're

4560
03:45:24,720 --> 03:45:26,239
taking money and put it to something

4561
03:45:26,239 --> 03:45:29,120
else that we need to focus on.

4562
03:45:29,120 --> 03:45:30,239
>> 750,000.

4563
03:45:30,239 --> 03:45:32,640
>> Yeah, I was going to point that out.

4564
03:45:32,640 --> 03:45:35,359
I mean that is included in the budget at

4565
03:45:35,359 --> 03:45:38,800
this point is disposal being zeroed out.

4566
03:45:38,800 --> 03:45:40,880
>> Yeah, I'm I'm thinking the same line

4567
03:45:40,880 --> 03:45:43,439
duplication of services. But back to the

4568
03:45:43,439 --> 03:45:46,160
brush. Okay. Would we

4569
03:45:46,160 --> 03:45:49,120
if we continue doing that with Jimmy

4570
03:45:49,120 --> 03:45:51,760
Andrews? Then would there how would that

4571
03:45:51,760 --> 03:45:52,319
work? Would

4572
03:45:52,319 --> 03:45:53,760
>> we don't need the transfer station to

4573
03:45:53,760 --> 03:45:54,880
continue brush around?

4574
03:45:54,880 --> 03:45:56,560
>> Okay.

4575
03:45:56,560 --> 03:46:00,239
So we could still take loads of brush

4576
03:46:00,239 --> 03:46:03,600
through the gate there and no not weigh

4577
03:46:03,600 --> 03:46:05,120
it or

4578
03:46:05,120 --> 03:46:05,760
>> Well, I mean,

4579
03:46:05,760 --> 03:46:07,120
>> but that's those are the

4580
03:46:07,120 --> 03:46:08,479
>> we could work something out.

4581
03:46:08,479 --> 03:46:10,640
>> We we haven't we haven't gotten that.

4582
03:46:10,640 --> 03:46:12,319
>> Yeah. Okay.

4583
03:46:12,319 --> 03:46:13,040
>> We have to

4584
03:46:13,040 --> 03:46:14,800
>> Yeah, that's where I'm going. We

4585
03:46:14,800 --> 03:46:16,160
>> those are the little pieces of the

4586
03:46:16,160 --> 03:46:17,520
puzzle to be

4587
03:46:17,520 --> 03:46:19,680
>> still take brush out to the county too.

4588
03:46:19,680 --> 03:46:21,359
>> Yeah.

4589
03:46:21,359 --> 03:46:23,120
>> And if it's residential for sure, right?

4590
03:46:23,120 --> 03:46:23,920
>> But I'm talking

4591
03:46:23,920 --> 03:46:25,279
>> it's residential for sure.

4592
03:46:25,279 --> 03:46:27,439
>> Yes. Some of these larger landscaping

4593
03:46:27,439 --> 03:46:29,520
companies take it out there and go to

4594
03:46:29,520 --> 03:46:30,960
our landfill and dump it, but they're

4595
03:46:30,960 --> 03:46:32,720
wave.

4596
03:46:32,720 --> 03:46:34,640
>> Well, that but if it's a landscaping

4597
03:46:34,640 --> 03:46:36,720
company, then that's going back to it's

4598
03:46:36,720 --> 03:46:39,040
not residential trash. It's

4599
03:46:39,040 --> 03:46:42,479
>> commercial.

4600
03:46:42,479 --> 03:46:44,319
>> Also, I'm just saying this even though

4601
03:46:44,319 --> 03:46:46,640
they're doing it on for residential,

4602
03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:48,000
>> they're getting paid to do it.

4603
03:46:48,000 --> 03:46:51,680
>> Yeah. Okay. According to our ordinance,

4604
03:46:51,680 --> 03:46:53,920
any work that a land that a contracted

4605
03:46:53,920 --> 03:46:56,399
landscaper does on somebody's property,

4606
03:46:56,399 --> 03:46:58,399
they are responsible to remove.

4607
03:46:58,399 --> 03:46:59,439
>> Yeah. Okay.

4608
03:46:59,439 --> 03:47:00,000
>> So,

4609
03:47:00,000 --> 03:47:01,520
>> that's commercial.

4610
03:47:01,520 --> 03:47:03,040
>> Okay.

4611
03:47:03,040 --> 03:47:06,319
>> So, also you look at we got go down to

4612
03:47:06,319 --> 03:47:07,680
solid waste. We're going to have to buy

4613
03:47:07,680 --> 03:47:09,120
a garbage truck, too. So, that's

4614
03:47:09,120 --> 03:47:11,120
$400,000

4615
03:47:11,120 --> 03:47:11,680
>> minimum.

4616
03:47:11,680 --> 03:47:12,640
>> Yeah.

4617
03:47:12,640 --> 03:47:15,680
>> You're right. and and and I did put in

4618
03:47:15,680 --> 03:47:18,560
this year on the CIP uh for a new garden

4619
03:47:18,560 --> 03:47:21,040
truck. They are

4620
03:47:21,040 --> 03:47:23,760
they it's definitely needed especially

4621
03:47:23,760 --> 03:47:26,399
with and with 800 new homes coming in

4622
03:47:26,399 --> 03:47:26,720
here.

4623
03:47:26,720 --> 03:47:27,439
>> Yeah.

4624
03:47:27,439 --> 03:47:28,960
>> So, do we need to talk have that

4625
03:47:28,960 --> 03:47:32,560
discussion about residential trash?

4626
03:47:32,560 --> 03:47:34,720
>> We do. I just don't know if we want to

4627
03:47:34,720 --> 03:47:35,760
do that right now.

4628
03:47:35,760 --> 03:47:36,880
>> Yeah.

4629
03:47:36,880 --> 03:47:38,560
>> Well, I think that's part of what you're

4630
03:47:38,560 --> 03:47:38,960
talking about.

4631
03:47:38,960 --> 03:47:40,720
>> Yeah. transfer station if there's

4632
03:47:40,720 --> 03:47:42,080
consensus on that

4633
03:47:42,080 --> 03:47:44,720
>> and again we will take formal action in

4634
03:47:44,720 --> 03:47:47,279
a meeting to give appropriate notice and

4635
03:47:47,279 --> 03:47:48,800
discontin the service but

4636
03:47:48,800 --> 03:47:51,760
>> okay we'll continue down that track and

4637
03:47:51,760 --> 03:47:53,279
for budgeting purposes assume we're

4638
03:47:53,279 --> 03:47:56,640
doing that now residential yeah that

4639
03:47:56,640 --> 03:47:58,640
given the fact that the person we're

4640
03:47:58,640 --> 03:48:00,880
negotiating with brought it up we would

4641
03:48:00,880 --> 03:48:02,640
like to talk about that but I know

4642
03:48:02,640 --> 03:48:03,920
you've got a lot of other things on your

4643
03:48:03,920 --> 03:48:06,880
plate so we we're prepared to talk about

4644
03:48:06,880 --> 03:48:10,870
that part today but it's up to

4645
03:48:10,880 --> 03:48:13,760
Well, since we got to page 132 already,

4646
03:48:13,760 --> 03:48:16,080
then

4647
03:48:16,080 --> 03:48:17,920
>> Well, I mean, it's

4648
03:48:17,920 --> 03:48:19,600
>> Hey, where do you got to go? You just

4649
03:48:19,600 --> 03:48:21,520
got to get people here to be with

4650
03:48:21,520 --> 03:48:24,160
>> now currently. And I'll just tell you

4651
03:48:24,160 --> 03:48:26,399
with our the fees we're collecting and

4652
03:48:26,399 --> 03:48:29,120
what we're charging, we're covering our

4653
03:48:29,120 --> 03:48:31,359
costs, but we know that if we stay in

4654
03:48:31,359 --> 03:48:32,640
that business, we got capital things

4655
03:48:32,640 --> 03:48:37,510
coming down the pike.

4656
03:48:37,520 --> 03:48:40,080
But isn't that a conversation that we

4657
03:48:40,080 --> 03:48:44,399
should have after the because we if we

4658
03:48:44,399 --> 03:48:46,560
negotiate to get rid of it now and we

4659
03:48:46,560 --> 03:48:48,800
don't make that if we decide we get want

4660
03:48:48,800 --> 03:48:51,120
to get rid of it and we don't build that

4661
03:48:51,120 --> 03:48:53,680
get who you're negotiating with to do it

4662
03:48:53,680 --> 03:48:54,000
correct

4663
03:48:54,000 --> 03:48:55,040
>> then we're stuck.

4664
03:48:55,040 --> 03:48:55,600
>> You're right.

4665
03:48:55,600 --> 03:48:56,080
>> Yeah.

4666
03:48:56,080 --> 03:48:58,080
>> So I think that's I I don't think that's

4667
03:48:58,080 --> 03:48:59,520
>> that's why I said if you're not

4668
03:48:59,520 --> 03:49:02,080
>> I think that's one we we work let you do

4669
03:49:02,080 --> 03:49:03,920
your part and you bring it back to us.

4670
03:49:03,920 --> 03:49:05,680
We have the transportation part covered

4671
03:49:05,680 --> 03:49:06,720
and now we can

4672
03:49:06,720 --> 03:49:07,680
>> that's my thought.

4673
03:49:07,680 --> 03:49:09,120
>> Perfect. Just didn't know if you want to

4674
03:49:09,120 --> 03:49:10,479
get

4675
03:49:10,479 --> 03:49:11,040
>> ahead.

4676
03:49:11,040 --> 03:49:12,720
>> I think I think it's something that you

4677
03:49:12,720 --> 03:49:14,239
need to talk and then bring it back to

4678
03:49:14,239 --> 03:49:14,880
us,

4679
03:49:14,880 --> 03:49:16,399
>> but I don't want to make make a decision

4680
03:49:16,399 --> 03:49:18,239
on it until

4681
03:49:18,239 --> 03:49:20,319
>> we so we don't make a decision and we

4682
03:49:20,319 --> 03:49:21,600
don't have

4683
03:49:21,600 --> 03:49:22,319
>> somewhere to go

4684
03:49:22,319 --> 03:49:24,000
>> until we we're sure all the moving parts

4685
03:49:24,000 --> 03:49:26,239
are in place. So, the garbage truck that

4686
03:49:26,239 --> 03:49:29,760
we have in this year's budget, shall we?

4687
03:49:29,760 --> 03:49:33,040
Excuse me, Tom. Defer for another year

4688
03:49:33,040 --> 03:49:34,479
>> because we're not going to We will not

4689
03:49:34,479 --> 03:49:36,479
have that answer by July one, I'll tell

4690
03:49:36,479 --> 03:49:36,880
you.

4691
03:49:36,880 --> 03:49:39,120
>> Will it last? Will the current one last

4692
03:49:39,120 --> 03:49:40,720
another year?

4693
03:49:40,720 --> 03:49:43,439
>> Oh, I Yeah, I mean,

4694
03:49:43,439 --> 03:49:43,840
>> okay,

4695
03:49:43,840 --> 03:49:44,560
>> there'll be maintenance.

4696
03:49:44,560 --> 03:49:46,560
>> Hopefully. I mean, I got some excellent

4697
03:49:46,560 --> 03:49:49,600
mechanics. We do have three trucks. We

4698
03:49:49,600 --> 03:49:51,680
do have backup for it. So, yeah, I don't

4699
03:49:51,680 --> 03:49:53,040
see that as a problem.

4700
03:49:53,040 --> 03:49:53,359
>> Okay.

4701
03:49:53,359 --> 03:49:56,160
>> But, uh I But I do just to be upfront.

4702
03:49:56,160 --> 03:49:59,040
I'm concerned with how fast the home the

4703
03:49:59,040 --> 03:50:01,199
new homes are coming in and the new

4704
03:50:01,199 --> 03:50:03,520
residents uh the first phase of of

4705
03:50:03,520 --> 03:50:07,920
Easton Crossing almost daily almost

4706
03:50:07,920 --> 03:50:08,800
daily. Oh yeah.

4707
03:50:08,800 --> 03:50:10,960
>> We're getting a new customer

4708
03:50:10,960 --> 03:50:12,880
>> and it's

4709
03:50:12,880 --> 03:50:13,680
>> Yeah.

4710
03:50:13,680 --> 03:50:15,520
>> And like we were talking like you all

4711
03:50:15,520 --> 03:50:18,000
were talking earlier change and it's

4712
03:50:18,000 --> 03:50:19,279
changing rapidly.

4713
03:50:19,279 --> 03:50:20,880
>> Oh, it's it's here. Okay. And so when

4714
03:50:20,880 --> 03:50:22,880
even from a year ago when I started

4715
03:50:22,880 --> 03:50:24,960
here, it's already different. You know,

4716
03:50:24,960 --> 03:50:27,680
we've had to we've had to add, you know,

4717
03:50:27,680 --> 03:50:30,720
quite a bit. We I had on Mondays, I now

4718
03:50:30,720 --> 03:50:32,880
have to have one of the secondary

4719
03:50:32,880 --> 03:50:35,760
trucks, a whole another crew to go out,

4720
03:50:35,760 --> 03:50:38,399
a second crew to go out to help just so

4721
03:50:38,399 --> 03:50:41,279
we can get it in in the eight hours in

4722
03:50:41,279 --> 03:50:43,439
the day. You know, the requirements,

4723
03:50:43,439 --> 03:50:45,760
just build the requirement. So change is

4724
03:50:45,760 --> 03:50:48,160
happening. So I'm just trying to and

4725
03:50:48,160 --> 03:50:50,239
it's just going to get busier. So

4726
03:50:50,239 --> 03:50:52,399
>> yeah, I agree.

4727
03:50:52,399 --> 03:50:54,560
>> And and that's where I come down with

4728
03:50:54,560 --> 03:50:57,199
the trucks. They're they're fairly worn

4729
03:50:57,199 --> 03:51:00,560
out now and with the you know it's just

4730
03:51:00,560 --> 03:51:02,640
not going to get better. But yes, I

4731
03:51:02,640 --> 03:51:04,479
think I I think another year.

4732
03:51:04,479 --> 03:51:04,960
>> Okay.

4733
03:51:04,960 --> 03:51:06,160
>> How you going to say? Because it either

4734
03:51:06,160 --> 03:51:08,080
defer it or or could we hold it until a

4735
03:51:08,080 --> 03:51:10,160
decision's made? Leave it there until a

4736
03:51:10,160 --> 03:51:12,239
decision's made.

4737
03:51:12,239 --> 03:51:13,840
The challenge is we were going to fund

4738
03:51:13,840 --> 03:51:15,520
it with debt and so

4739
03:51:15,520 --> 03:51:16,239
>> Okay.

4740
03:51:16,239 --> 03:51:17,760
>> If you're going to issue debt, you want

4741
03:51:17,760 --> 03:51:18,160
to

4742
03:51:18,160 --> 03:51:19,600
>> Yeah. Then you would Yeah. Then that's

4743
03:51:19,600 --> 03:51:22,239
Yeah. Then I' I'd say it's deferred.

4744
03:51:22,239 --> 03:51:25,040
>> Yeah. Defer defer. Gosh, how long would

4745
03:51:25,040 --> 03:51:28,880
it take to get a truck like that in your

4746
03:51:28,880 --> 03:51:30,560
>> That's a good question. I'd say at least

4747
03:51:30,560 --> 03:51:31,439
six months.

4748
03:51:31,439 --> 03:51:33,600
>> Oh, I was thinking a year more.

4749
03:51:33,600 --> 03:51:37,359
>> Well, I'm trying to be optimist,

4750
03:51:37,359 --> 03:51:39,199
>> you know, and depending on requirements.

4751
03:51:39,199 --> 03:51:41,199
I mean, if I said, "Hey, give me I just

4752
03:51:41,199 --> 03:51:42,399
need a side load garment."

4753
03:51:42,399 --> 03:51:42,720
>> Yeah.

4754
03:51:42,720 --> 03:51:44,160
>> They might, you know, there might be one

4755
03:51:44,160 --> 03:51:46,399
available, but if I get specific with

4756
03:51:46,399 --> 03:51:47,600
it,

4757
03:51:47,600 --> 03:51:49,520
>> special order.

4758
03:51:49,520 --> 03:51:51,840
>> What do Do you anticipate any type of

4759
03:51:51,840 --> 03:51:56,160
major price increase from the 400,000 to

4760
03:51:56,160 --> 03:51:58,239
next year?

4761
03:51:58,239 --> 03:52:00,960
>> I I would anticipate Yes, sir. to be on

4762
03:52:00,960 --> 03:52:04,000
that to be and I'm and I'm a negative

4763
03:52:04,000 --> 03:52:05,520
person by nature.

4764
03:52:05,520 --> 03:52:07,120
>> So yeah, I

4765
03:52:07,120 --> 03:52:09,520
>> I fully expect that especially with

4766
03:52:09,520 --> 03:52:13,120
>> here that's going to be happy to admit

4767
03:52:13,120 --> 03:52:15,359
if it's bad it's going to happen.

4768
03:52:15,359 --> 03:52:16,000
>> Yeah.

4769
03:52:16,000 --> 03:52:18,000
>> So if we So if we defer, we're actually

4770
03:52:18,000 --> 03:52:20,640
deferring for two years. We defer the

4771
03:52:20,640 --> 03:52:21,680
decision for a year and it's going to

4772
03:52:21,680 --> 03:52:23,040
take a year to get a garbage truck and

4773
03:52:23,040 --> 03:52:23,840
then we defer.

4774
03:52:23,840 --> 03:52:25,520
>> But if we don't defer, what will we do

4775
03:52:25,520 --> 03:52:28,239
with the new garbage truck? I'm not just

4776
03:52:28,239 --> 03:52:31,040
arguing. I'm just Procedurally, yeah, we

4777
03:52:31,040 --> 03:52:32,800
would push it out of here and encumber

4778
03:52:32,800 --> 03:52:34,479
it, but it might not get there till the

4779
03:52:34,479 --> 03:52:37,680
following year if we do it.

4780
03:52:37,680 --> 03:52:38,960
>> That's a good point.

4781
03:52:38,960 --> 03:52:40,399
>> Yeah. I mean, if we have a new truck,

4782
03:52:40,399 --> 03:52:41,760
then what are we going to do with it?

4783
03:52:41,760 --> 03:52:43,359
>> You could blind us with your first

4784
03:52:43,359 --> 03:52:50,710
service payment 28.

4785
03:52:50,720 --> 03:52:53,199
» Closing the transfer station, but this

4786
03:52:53,199 --> 03:52:55,680
is this discussion is on contracting

4787
03:52:55,680 --> 03:52:56,640
residential,

4788
03:52:56,640 --> 03:52:57,680
>> right? And we don't want to make a

4789
03:52:57,680 --> 03:52:59,920
decision on that. Yeah. Yes, we have the

4790
03:52:59,920 --> 03:53:00,720
details.

4791
03:53:00,720 --> 03:53:02,800
>> Yeah, we have a detail.

4792
03:53:02,800 --> 03:53:04,239
>> I agree.

4793
03:53:04,239 --> 03:53:06,640
>> Can we all defer?

4794
03:53:06,640 --> 03:53:08,800
>> And most of it's public.

4795
03:53:08,800 --> 03:53:10,640
>> It's a flat bed, a grab bucket.

4796
03:53:10,640 --> 03:53:11,120
>> Defer,

4797
03:53:11,120 --> 03:53:13,920
>> roll off dumpsters. And then the one we

4798
03:53:13,920 --> 03:53:15,680
the police department put on is they

4799
03:53:15,680 --> 03:53:17,680
have incar and body camera system for

4800
03:53:17,680 --> 03:53:20,880
300,000. I'm guessing they need to order

4801
03:53:20,880 --> 03:53:25,600
rather than later. I'm not 100% sure.

4802
03:53:25,600 --> 03:53:27,279
>> But vice mayor, I just want to let you

4803
03:53:27,279 --> 03:53:30,160
know I do have first knowledge from a

4804
03:53:30,160 --> 03:53:33,040
colleague who who does that and uh Brad

4805
03:53:33,040 --> 03:53:36,800
P and he said he is currently you know

4806
03:53:36,800 --> 03:53:43,030
he purchas

4807
03:53:43,040 --> 03:53:45,600
» so significant would that be 25 grand or

4808
03:53:45,600 --> 03:53:46,560
>> yeah I'd say

4809
03:53:46,560 --> 03:53:50,239
>> okay so I just want to look at

4810
03:53:50,239 --> 03:53:53,040
>> but he's moving towards the one armed

4811
03:53:53,040 --> 03:53:56,160
they call one man single operator which

4812
03:53:56,160 --> 03:53:59,920
are technology with the lack of staffing

4813
03:53:59,920 --> 03:54:02,560
that he hasn't

4814
03:54:02,560 --> 03:54:05,359
gone.

4815
03:54:05,359 --> 03:54:06,800
>> So,

4816
03:54:06,800 --> 03:54:08,720
>> but he said he did see a price.

4817
03:54:08,720 --> 03:54:09,439
>> Okay.

4818
03:54:09,439 --> 03:54:10,960
>> It's all going up. It's going to

4819
03:54:10,960 --> 03:54:13,199
increase. It's not coming down.

4820
03:54:13,199 --> 03:54:13,840
>> No, sir.

4821
03:54:13,840 --> 03:54:14,000
>> Yeah.

4822
03:54:14,000 --> 03:54:16,479
>> It's not a question of if it's how much.

4823
03:54:16,479 --> 03:54:19,120
>> Well, I mean, I'm my my first tour duty

4824
03:54:19,120 --> 03:54:21,279
on the town council. We ordered the

4825
03:54:21,279 --> 03:54:24,560
first ladder truck like 750,000. How

4826
03:54:24,560 --> 03:54:25,840
much is it now?

4827
03:54:25,840 --> 03:54:27,520
>> A million.

4828
03:54:27,520 --> 03:54:30,399
Yeah. It's not coming down.

4829
03:54:30,399 --> 03:54:31,760
>> 5 years to get it.

4830
03:54:31,760 --> 03:54:33,279
>> You said it takes 5 years to get it

4831
03:54:33,279 --> 03:54:34,399
after you sign.

4832
03:54:34,399 --> 03:54:37,439
>> Yeah. So, I'm 750,000.

4833
03:54:37,439 --> 03:54:39,359
>> Weren't sure where that was coming from?

4834
03:54:39,359 --> 03:54:40,640
>> Exactly.

4835
03:54:40,640 --> 03:54:42,960
>> Yeah. So, it's not coming down.

4836
03:54:42,960 --> 03:54:44,800
>> Yeah.

4837
03:54:44,800 --> 03:54:46,399
>> So, you had all Okay. Deferring.

4838
03:54:46,399 --> 03:54:49,040
>> Yeah, we Yeah, I think we all

4839
03:54:49,040 --> 03:54:50,800
>> Okay.

4840
03:54:50,800 --> 03:54:51,439
>> Did we get

4841
03:54:51,439 --> 03:54:53,120
>> Were there any other pieces of equipment

4842
03:54:53,120 --> 03:54:57,199
that would be related to this also?

4843
03:54:57,199 --> 03:54:59,439
I did I did request a rolloff truck

4844
03:54:59,439 --> 03:55:01,120
which is typically you know for the

4845
03:55:01,120 --> 03:55:05,520
rolloff dumpsters for trash. Um that a

4846
03:55:05,520 --> 03:55:08,000
grapple bucket truck which was primarily

4847
03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:10,800
for brush but we do you utilize it for

4848
03:55:10,800 --> 03:55:13,600
the large trees and and also during

4849
03:55:13,600 --> 03:55:15,279
cleanup weeds that kind of thing.

4850
03:55:15,279 --> 03:55:16,960
>> Well I would think the I think that

4851
03:55:16,960 --> 03:55:18,160
would be something you could use

4852
03:55:18,160 --> 03:55:18,720
immediately.

4853
03:55:18,720 --> 03:55:20,399
>> Oh no. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I was

4854
03:55:20,399 --> 03:55:22,080
thinking of the ones that were related

4855
03:55:22,080 --> 03:55:23,120
to the residential

4856
03:55:23,120 --> 03:55:25,520
>> but specifically the residential tra the

4857
03:55:25,520 --> 03:55:26,080
trash.

4858
03:55:26,080 --> 03:55:26,960
>> That's the only thing. Okay.

4859
03:55:26,960 --> 03:55:28,560
>> Yes, sir.

4860
03:55:28,560 --> 03:55:30,399
>> Okay.

4861
03:55:30,399 --> 03:55:33,520
>> All right. What's next?

4862
03:55:33,520 --> 03:55:36,399
>> I do have you got more on the you want

4863
03:55:36,399 --> 03:55:38,960
to kind of info us on the CIP. Well, I

4864
03:55:38,960 --> 03:55:40,080
was going to say, do you have any you've

4865
03:55:40,080 --> 03:55:41,199
got them? I was going to say you got

4866
03:55:41,199 --> 03:55:43,199
them before you. There are several items

4867
03:55:43,199 --> 03:55:44,560
that we're going to fund with short-term

4868
03:55:44,560 --> 03:55:46,399
debt. Then there are still are several

4869
03:55:46,399 --> 03:55:49,040
items that we're going to pay cash for

4870
03:55:49,040 --> 03:55:50,880
>> in all funds. So, any any questions

4871
03:55:50,880 --> 03:55:53,199
about any of those? We're

4872
03:55:53,199 --> 03:55:55,279
>> what are we paying cash for?

4873
03:55:55,279 --> 03:55:57,439
>> So, anything in

4874
03:55:57,439 --> 03:56:00,399
proposed fiscal year 2027

4875
03:56:00,399 --> 03:56:03,279
is, for lack of a better term, cash.

4876
03:56:03,279 --> 03:56:07,520
Anything in debt funding is the borrow.

4877
03:56:07,520 --> 03:56:09,920
Okay. Now, we're

4878
03:56:09,920 --> 03:56:12,960
>> on uh the proposed agenda for this week.

4879
03:56:12,960 --> 03:56:15,040
There's the

4880
03:56:15,040 --> 03:56:17,600
approval of the fuel control system.

4881
03:56:17,600 --> 03:56:21,279
>> Is that going to now be a FY26 uh fund

4882
03:56:21,279 --> 03:56:22,640
instead of a 27?

4883
03:56:22,640 --> 03:56:23,600
>> Yeah.

4884
03:56:23,600 --> 03:56:24,960
>> We had to move it up because

4885
03:56:24,960 --> 03:56:26,319
>> Well, that's fine.

4886
03:56:26,319 --> 03:56:27,600
>> We need it.

4887
03:56:27,600 --> 03:56:31,510
>> Okay.

4888
03:56:31,520 --> 03:56:32,080
» 17,000.

4889
03:56:32,080 --> 03:56:33,920
>> I've been doing them all by hand. I

4890
03:56:33,920 --> 03:56:34,640
believe

4891
03:56:34,640 --> 03:56:38,399
>> that's okay. It's 17,000 of the good. I

4892
03:56:38,399 --> 03:56:39,600
mean, we're paying for a tissue here,

4893
03:56:39,600 --> 03:56:41,279
but

4894
03:56:41,279 --> 03:56:44,160
>> um one thing I we've talked about this

4895
03:56:44,160 --> 03:56:46,640
and I know it's it's going to have to be

4896
03:56:46,640 --> 03:56:50,000
done at some point. The the downtown

4897
03:56:50,000 --> 03:56:52,560
electrical underground service. At what

4898
03:56:52,560 --> 03:56:55,520
point are we going to

4899
03:56:55,520 --> 03:56:58,640
get that in the budget and start that or

4900
03:56:58,640 --> 03:57:00,880
is it already in here? And I didn't see

4901
03:57:00,880 --> 03:57:03,439
it because that is

4902
03:57:03,439 --> 03:57:05,600
failing at different times, is it not?

4903
03:57:05,600 --> 03:57:07,279
>> Well, I'm going to defer to John on how

4904
03:57:07,279 --> 03:57:10,160
we're how it's actually functioning.

4905
03:57:10,160 --> 03:57:12,000
>> I mean, we know it's we know a lot of

4906
03:57:12,000 --> 03:57:13,680
the underground electric was put there

4907
03:57:13,680 --> 03:57:15,120
like in the mid 80s.

4908
03:57:15,120 --> 03:57:18,800
>> Yeah, it it's still functioning. Uh,

4909
03:57:18,800 --> 03:57:20,720
generally it's either works or it

4910
03:57:20,720 --> 03:57:22,479
doesn't work. So, one day it looks good,

4911
03:57:22,479 --> 03:57:24,080
the next day it's

4912
03:57:24,080 --> 03:57:26,399
>> maybe I was too harsh.

4913
03:57:26,399 --> 03:57:28,479
But we do we when we get to our budget,

4914
03:57:28,479 --> 03:57:31,120
we do have some underground circuit

4915
03:57:31,120 --> 03:57:33,120
replacement. We figure we'd work it into

4916
03:57:33,120 --> 03:57:34,640
that over the next 5 years.

4917
03:57:34,640 --> 03:57:36,800
>> Okay.

4918
03:57:36,800 --> 03:57:38,479
>> Yeah.

4919
03:57:38,479 --> 03:57:41,520
>> Well, and somewhat related to that, we

4920
03:57:41,520 --> 03:57:43,760
are going to go we're the sidewalks are

4921
03:57:43,760 --> 03:57:45,199
showing aggregate in several places

4922
03:57:45,199 --> 03:57:47,040
downtown. We are going to proceed this

4923
03:57:47,040 --> 03:57:50,479
spring with sealing those. So that

4924
03:57:50,479 --> 03:57:52,560
hazard's address and we and the main

4925
03:57:52,560 --> 03:57:53,680
reason we're doing that is we didn't

4926
03:57:53,680 --> 03:57:56,160
want to replace sidewalks that might be

4927
03:57:56,160 --> 03:57:58,960
taken up not too in the future but it's

4928
03:57:58,960 --> 03:58:05,510
all related.

4929
03:58:05,520 --> 03:58:10,640
» Okay. Sorry. Can I jump in?

4930
03:58:10,640 --> 03:58:14,080
>> Thank you was done. I just wanted to so

4931
03:58:14,080 --> 03:58:17,520
the uh like for the uh building grounds

4932
03:58:17,520 --> 03:58:19,439
for the town or the town building

4933
03:58:19,439 --> 03:58:21,120
grounds the two and a half million we're

4934
03:58:21,120 --> 03:58:22,479
looking at I guess for the municipal

4935
03:58:22,479 --> 03:58:25,600
building the stuff that's requested in

4936
03:58:25,600 --> 03:58:27,439
FY28

4937
03:58:27,439 --> 03:58:30,239
I thought man maybe I just misunderstood

4938
03:58:30,239 --> 03:58:32,319
but I thought one of the things we

4939
03:58:32,319 --> 03:58:33,760
mentioned about when we do the municipal

4940
03:58:33,760 --> 03:58:35,199
building we were going to look at

4941
03:58:35,199 --> 03:58:37,920
rolling as much as we could into it so

4942
03:58:37,920 --> 03:58:40,720
we would have that cost one time and not

4943
03:58:40,720 --> 03:58:44,239
in later. So I didn't

4944
03:58:44,239 --> 03:58:46,720
>> main concern is our debt capacity is

4945
03:58:46,720 --> 03:58:48,479
that we can issue two and a half million

4946
03:58:48,479 --> 03:58:50,319
without exceeding the payment we

4947
03:58:50,319 --> 03:58:54,319
currently have budgeted. So we now under

4948
03:58:54,319 --> 03:58:56,800
discussions with the engineering firm

4949
03:58:56,800 --> 03:58:58,720
feel like two and a half is just going

4950
03:58:58,720 --> 03:59:01,359
to cover electric. We're not going to

4951
03:59:01,359 --> 03:59:02,319
have a lot of extra.

4952
03:59:02,319 --> 03:59:03,120
>> Okay. No windows.

4953
03:59:03,120 --> 03:59:04,399
>> That's fair. I just wanted to make sure

4954
03:59:04,399 --> 03:59:04,880
that

4955
03:59:04,880 --> 03:59:07,760
>> no new windows or anything.

4956
03:59:07,760 --> 03:59:10,319
>> I'll defer a part, but if there's red

4957
03:59:10,319 --> 03:59:11,439
down on price,

4958
03:59:11,439 --> 03:59:13,040
>> we'll throw it in.

4959
03:59:13,040 --> 03:59:16,080
>> Okay. Well, I just wanted to for me just

4960
03:59:16,080 --> 03:59:18,479
to get clarity on that. I mean, this is

4961
03:59:18,479 --> 03:59:21,439
a another thing for the uh toilets out

4962
03:59:21,439 --> 03:59:23,439
at the park. I mean, I don't you know, I

4963
03:59:23,439 --> 03:59:25,439
know in the park service, not that you'd

4964
03:59:25,439 --> 03:59:26,960
want to, but you can make them really

4965
03:59:26,960 --> 03:59:28,399
nice. They have those compositing

4966
03:59:28,399 --> 03:59:32,160
toilets that you know are just as a as a

4967
03:59:32,160 --> 03:59:35,040
thought. And then I think for me at

4968
03:59:35,040 --> 03:59:37,600
least part of the discussion on some of

4969
03:59:37,600 --> 03:59:39,279
the capital improvement goes back to

4970
03:59:39,279 --> 03:59:40,800
what Tom had been mentioned and others

4971
03:59:40,800 --> 03:59:43,439
have mentioned is levels of service. I

4972
03:59:43,439 --> 03:59:47,359
mean we have a you know in 28 we have a

4973
03:59:47,359 --> 03:59:51,120
automated leave collection truck uh and

4974
03:59:51,120 --> 03:59:53,359
some other things that we do as a

4975
03:59:53,359 --> 03:59:56,479
service to the community which is nice

4976
03:59:56,479 --> 03:59:59,680
but as he has said with new buildings

4977
03:59:59,680 --> 04:00:02,000
and new homes coming online he barely

4978
04:00:02,000 --> 04:00:03,439
has enough to keep up with trash

4979
04:00:03,439 --> 04:00:05,680
collecting. So I think we actually at

4980
04:00:05,680 --> 04:00:07,840
some point have to have a a cons a

4981
04:00:07,840 --> 04:00:10,560
discussion on what levels of service we

4982
04:00:10,560 --> 04:00:12,960
maintain and what we don't.

4983
04:00:12,960 --> 04:00:14,960
Well, I think that goes back a lot to

4984
04:00:14,960 --> 04:00:17,279
duplication of services, going back and

4985
04:00:17,279 --> 04:00:19,040
figuring out what we want to continue

4986
04:00:19,040 --> 04:00:21,439
doing and what the county is currently

4987
04:00:21,439 --> 04:00:24,319
doing that we can take advantage of and

4988
04:00:24,319 --> 04:00:25,359
the residents mainly.

4989
04:00:25,359 --> 04:00:26,800
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, it's like Todd said,

4990
04:00:26,800 --> 04:00:30,720
I mean, we can take our uh brush to the

4991
04:00:30,720 --> 04:00:33,359
county, but a lot of people homeowners

4992
04:00:33,359 --> 04:00:35,439
will cut it, put it at the edge of the

4993
04:00:35,439 --> 04:00:37,600
road, so Tom people kind of pick it up.

4994
04:00:37,600 --> 04:00:39,840
Is that something we do and continue to

4995
04:00:39,840 --> 04:00:42,000
do? Let him do it. and does he have the

4996
04:00:42,000 --> 04:00:43,760
people? That's that's those are the

4997
04:00:43,760 --> 04:00:46,080
things I just think we they're nice and

4998
04:00:46,080 --> 04:00:48,239
they are definitely benefits, but we

4999
04:00:48,239 --> 04:00:49,840
have to have that discussion if it's if

5000
04:00:49,840 --> 04:00:51,439
we're able to keep that up or not.

5001
04:00:51,439 --> 04:00:53,199
>> No, I totally agree with you that that

5002
04:00:53,199 --> 04:00:55,600
plus the spring and fall cleanup. Are

5003
04:00:55,600 --> 04:00:59,760
they things we want to continue to do? I mean, that cost us

5004
04:00:59,760 --> 04:01:01,840
money.

5005
04:01:01,840 --> 04:01:03,920
>> Yes.

5006
04:01:03,920 --> 04:01:06,160
>> That's going to be part of the uh the

5007
04:01:06,160 --> 04:01:08,160
presentation. I guess I'm going to give

5008
04:01:08,160 --> 04:01:13,429
you guys numbers on that. Is it

5009
04:01:13,439 --> 04:01:15,279
You go to shockers.

5010
04:01:15,279 --> 04:01:16,800
>> Maybe not shockers. What should you

5011
04:01:16,800 --> 04:01:19,760
beware

5012
04:01:19,760 --> 04:01:21,279
during those cleanups? I should

5013
04:01:21,279 --> 04:01:22,000
>> Yeah.

5014
04:01:22,000 --> 04:01:23,439
>> To try to put it nicely.

5015
04:01:23,439 --> 04:01:24,880
>> Yeah. But but no, Dave, I think you're

5016
04:01:24,880 --> 04:01:27,520
on the the right path there that we have

5017
04:01:27,520 --> 04:01:30,399
to continue to look at what do we want

5018
04:01:30,399 --> 04:01:33,680
to continue doing and and but what what

5019
04:01:33,680 --> 04:01:36,239
is it someone else can do better, right?

5020
04:01:36,239 --> 04:01:39,040
at the same cost or cheaper, but what

5021
04:01:39,040 --> 04:01:41,520
are some of the things we need to get

5022
04:01:41,520 --> 04:01:44,479
out of? And and yeah, it's kind of like

5023
04:01:44,479 --> 04:01:46,640
years back closing the landfill on

5024
04:01:46,640 --> 04:01:49,120
Saturday was was a big shock to some

5025
04:01:49,120 --> 04:01:51,920
people, but they got over it. So, you

5026
04:01:51,920 --> 04:01:53,520
know, we just have to make those

5027
04:01:53,520 --> 04:01:55,520
decisions at some point in time. But

5028
04:01:55,520 --> 04:01:58,239
you're right, we have to look at it.

5029
04:01:58,239 --> 04:01:58,720
>> I think

5030
04:01:58,720 --> 04:02:00,160
>> Well, it's either that or it's either

5031
04:02:00,160 --> 04:02:03,279
that or major tax increases.

5032
04:02:03,279 --> 04:02:04,319
>> You got to do something.

5033
04:02:04,319 --> 04:02:05,920
>> You That's right. You have to weigh the

5034
04:02:05,920 --> 04:02:13,590
options. You're right. Correct.

5035
04:02:13,600 --> 04:02:16,080
Um, one thing I I know there's a clear

5036
04:02:16,080 --> 04:02:19,040
answer to this on page 80. Mary on

5037
04:02:19,040 --> 04:02:22,160
computer community development future

5038
04:02:22,160 --> 04:02:23,920
planning

5039
04:02:23,920 --> 04:02:26,239
2484

5040
04:02:26,239 --> 04:02:30,640
2544,000 and 26 35,000. What What does

5041
04:02:30,640 --> 04:02:31,840
that include?

5042
04:02:31,840 --> 04:02:35,120
>> What page are you on? on page 80.

5043
04:02:35,120 --> 04:02:36,399
>> That's your comp plan.

5044
04:02:36,399 --> 04:02:39,040
>> Said future future planning. Oh, was

5045
04:02:39,040 --> 04:02:41,439
that that the comp plan?

5046
04:02:41,439 --> 04:02:47,429
>> Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good.

5047
04:02:47,439 --> 04:02:49,760
» Yeah, that crossed my mind, but I want

5048
04:02:49,760 --> 04:02:52,720
to be sure. Thank you.

5049
04:02:52,720 --> 04:02:57,359
All right. What else do I have? What page are we on now?

5050
04:02:57,359 --> 04:03:00,000
Where do we want to go?

5051
04:03:00,000 --> 04:03:02,640
Continue on.

5052
04:03:02,640 --> 04:03:03,199
81.

5053
04:03:03,199 --> 04:03:05,040
>> I'll give you the comfort level. That's

5054
04:03:05,040 --> 04:03:07,439
all I had in this section.

5055
04:03:07,439 --> 04:03:08,960
>> What What else do the rest of y'all

5056
04:03:08,960 --> 04:03:09,680
have?

5057
04:03:09,680 --> 04:03:11,040
>> What do you got, Stacey? What

5058
04:03:11,040 --> 04:03:13,120
>> page? I'm just looking right now.

5059
04:03:13,120 --> 04:03:16,469
>> Okay.

5060
04:03:16,479 --> 04:03:19,199
» The dredging of Liberty Lake. Is that

5061
04:03:19,199 --> 04:03:21,439
next year or the year after? Okay.

5062
04:03:21,439 --> 04:03:24,800
>> It be a good thing to do.

5063
04:03:24,800 --> 04:03:25,680
>> It needs it, doesn't it?

5064
04:03:25,680 --> 04:03:27,040
>> Of course, we also have a drainage issue

5065
04:03:27,040 --> 04:03:28,479
with a neighbor that's contributing to

5066
04:03:28,479 --> 04:03:30,960
that. I mean, realistically too, Tom, do

5067
04:03:30,960 --> 04:03:33,520
you think 100,000 is I mean, with

5068
04:03:33,520 --> 04:03:35,199
permitting, that's probably just permits

5069
04:03:35,199 --> 04:03:35,920
and everything.

5070
04:03:35,920 --> 04:03:37,040
>> It may,

5071
04:03:37,040 --> 04:03:39,680
>> but yes, 100 grand.

5072
04:03:39,680 --> 04:03:41,199
>> That That's a Let's put this on the

5073
04:03:41,199 --> 04:03:42,720
radar so you know it's an issue, right?

5074
04:03:42,720 --> 04:03:44,080
>> That's a placeholder.

5075
04:03:44,080 --> 04:03:45,760
>> Yeah,

5076
04:03:45,760 --> 04:03:47,279
that won't cost you anything next year,

5077
04:03:47,279 --> 04:03:51,439
but we want you to be aware of it.

5078
04:03:51,439 --> 04:03:53,600
>> I mean, it's easily, at least my

5079
04:03:53,600 --> 04:03:55,600
experience is

5080
04:03:55,600 --> 04:04:02,070
one half,2 million dollars.

5081
04:04:02,080 --> 04:04:06,070
Okay, moving on.

5082
04:04:06,080 --> 04:04:08,399
» Wet blanket. That's right.

5083
04:04:08,399 --> 04:04:14,309
>> You ready?

5084
04:04:14,319 --> 04:04:16,640
» All right.

5085
04:04:16,640 --> 04:04:17,279
>> 82.

5086
04:04:17,279 --> 04:04:18,479
>> I do have one right here.

5087
04:04:18,479 --> 04:04:19,520
>> What page are you?

5088
04:04:19,520 --> 04:04:20,800
>> Page 82.

5089
04:04:20,800 --> 04:04:26,550
>> 82. Page two.

5090
04:04:26,560 --> 04:04:28,160
That's in the middle of the page of the

5091
04:04:28,160 --> 04:04:31,439
supervision engineering.

5092
04:04:31,439 --> 04:04:33,520
$425,000.

5093
04:04:33,520 --> 04:04:34,479
The truck.

5094
04:04:34,479 --> 04:04:36,000
>> Is that for you, John? The electric

5095
04:04:36,000 --> 04:04:37,199
truck or

5096
04:04:37,199 --> 04:04:38,399
>> where where are we here?

5097
04:04:38,399 --> 04:04:40,319
>> The replacement truck next year.

5098
04:04:40,319 --> 04:04:46,080
>> Page 82. Oh, yeah. Yeah, actually. Um,

5099
04:04:46,080 --> 04:04:48,479
we have two trucks that we ordered. I

5100
04:04:48,479 --> 04:04:50,080
thought we had one in the previous year

5101
04:04:50,080 --> 04:04:51,279
as well.

5102
04:04:51,279 --> 04:04:55,520
Um, yeah, that's a a truck, a large uh

5103
04:04:55,520 --> 04:04:59,040
bucket truck. It's replacing one that's

5104
04:04:59,040 --> 04:05:04,800
I don't know 18 years old and uh it's worn out.

5105
04:05:04,800 --> 04:05:06,479
>> So, what truck are we replacing?

5106
04:05:06,479 --> 04:05:08,080
>> Well, a large bucket truck. It's the one

5107
04:05:08,080 --> 04:05:10,239
that Jeff Fur drives basically.

5108
04:05:10,239 --> 04:05:12,960
>> So, do we ever sell any trucks at

5109
04:05:12,960 --> 04:05:14,960
surplus or anything like that? I know we

5110
04:05:14,960 --> 04:05:17,680
got rid of some other vehicles. The last

5111
04:05:17,680 --> 04:05:20,080
few we've sent to auction when we were

5112
04:05:20,080 --> 04:05:23,279
done with them. Uh the last one we sent

5113
04:05:23,279 --> 04:05:26,960
I think we got $20,000 $22,000 for it.

5114
04:05:26,960 --> 04:05:30,239
So we have one uh kind of surplus truck.

5115
04:05:30,239 --> 04:05:32,880
It's a what we call line truck which is

5116
04:05:32,880 --> 04:05:37,040
a digger derek truck. Um and right now

5117
04:05:37,040 --> 04:05:39,600
it's uh it's so old that we can't get

5118
04:05:39,600 --> 04:05:41,840
Altech to certify it anymore. So we use

5119
04:05:41,840 --> 04:05:44,880
it uh to tow basically.

5120
04:05:44,880 --> 04:05:46,880
Uh if we have a large load to tow,

5121
04:05:46,880 --> 04:05:50,239
that's what we use that for. Uh do we

5122
04:05:50,239 --> 04:05:52,880
want to keep it? Uh if it starts costing

5123
04:05:52,880 --> 04:05:54,560
us money, we'll we'll send it to

5124
04:05:54,560 --> 04:05:55,520
auction.

5125
04:05:55,520 --> 04:05:57,279
>> So this is just replacing one truck,

5126
04:05:57,279 --> 04:05:57,680
right?

5127
04:05:57,680 --> 04:06:00,239
>> That's replacing one truck, but we do I

5128
04:06:00,239 --> 04:06:02,160
thought we had another truck in here

5129
04:06:02,160 --> 04:06:05,439
from previous year

5130
04:06:05,439 --> 04:06:07,120
because we not only have that one

5131
04:06:07,120 --> 04:06:10,239
coming, which we just got the uh invoice

5132
04:06:10,239 --> 04:06:12,399
for $440,000

5133
04:06:12,399 --> 04:06:14,560
>> that's on here.

5134
04:06:14,560 --> 04:06:16,640
stage 419

5135
04:06:16,640 --> 04:06:17,199
truck.

5136
04:06:17,199 --> 04:06:21,120
>> Okay. Yeah, that's the that is and then

5137
04:06:21,120 --> 04:06:22,800
we also have what we call small bucket

5138
04:06:22,800 --> 04:06:24,960
truck. Both of these trucks were ordered

5139
04:06:24,960 --> 04:06:27,439
the the large bucket truck was ordered 5

5140
04:06:27,439 --> 04:06:30,239
years ago and then the small was ordered

5141
04:06:30,239 --> 04:06:34,640
four years ago. So, uh we were hoping,

5142
04:06:34,640 --> 04:06:36,640
you know, expecting both to be delivered

5143
04:06:36,640 --> 04:06:39,520
in budget year 27,

5144
04:06:39,520 --> 04:06:41,439
but it looks like the first truck is

5145
04:06:41,439 --> 04:06:43,920
actually ready. So that may come before

5146
04:06:43,920 --> 04:06:45,840
the end of this year. And that was

5147
04:06:45,840 --> 04:06:49,199
$419,000 was in the budget and that has

5148
04:06:49,199 --> 04:06:51,920
come in at $440,000.

5149
04:06:51,920 --> 04:06:53,120
>> Both these really should be in

5150
04:06:53,120 --> 04:06:54,560
transmission distribution. I think

5151
04:06:54,560 --> 04:06:57,040
that's the question.

5152
04:06:57,040 --> 04:06:58,960
>> Oh well, they're capital

5153
04:06:58,960 --> 04:07:00,960
>> items, but

5154
04:07:00,960 --> 04:07:01,680
>> yeah.

5155
04:07:01,680 --> 04:07:05,520
>> So my question to you is, you know, we

5156
04:07:05,520 --> 04:07:06,960
got a lot of things going on this year.

5157
04:07:06,960 --> 04:07:09,359
We got that $750,000 coming up. We're

5158
04:07:09,359 --> 04:07:12,000
going to not have next year or whatever.

5159
04:07:12,000 --> 04:07:13,600
There's a truck that you're replacing.

5160
04:07:13,600 --> 04:07:15,520
Well, that just like we asked Tom about

5161
04:07:15,520 --> 04:07:17,120
the trash truck, that truck that you're

5162
04:07:17,120 --> 04:07:18,720
replacing, will that last another year

5163
04:07:18,720 --> 04:07:21,120
or so? Because you remember a couple

5164
04:07:21,120 --> 04:07:23,040
years ago we split the payments instead

5165
04:07:23,040 --> 04:07:25,359
of doing a 420.

5166
04:07:25,359 --> 04:07:27,279
I'm going to use 450 and we split it

5167
04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:29,359
half gave you half one year you went

5168
04:07:29,359 --> 04:07:31,600
ordered a truck and gave you the other

5169
04:07:31,600 --> 04:07:33,040
half the next time when the truck came

5170
04:07:33,040 --> 04:07:34,720
in a year or so later or whatever.

5171
04:07:34,720 --> 04:07:37,840
>> Yeah. Uh because of the lead time in

5172
04:07:37,840 --> 04:07:39,120
these things and they're finally

5173
04:07:39,120 --> 04:07:41,680
becoming available.

5174
04:07:41,680 --> 04:07:45,040
Uh I I wouldn't suggest that we defer

5175
04:07:45,040 --> 04:07:47,760
them there. If I had to defer something,

5176
04:07:47,760 --> 04:07:49,279
I'd defer something else other than

5177
04:07:49,279 --> 04:07:51,680
these two trucks because of the long

5178
04:07:51,680 --> 04:07:53,920
lead times. You know, we had to get our

5179
04:07:53,920 --> 04:07:56,479
place in line 5 years ago. If we give it

5180
04:07:56,479 --> 04:07:58,800
up and say, "No, we don't want it. It'll

5181
04:07:58,800 --> 04:08:00,479
be another 5 years till we can replace

5182
04:08:00,479 --> 04:08:05,670
it."

5183
04:08:05,680 --> 04:08:06,720
I think it's a little different here

5184
04:08:06,720 --> 04:08:08,080
with the garbage truck in that we're

5185
04:08:08,080 --> 04:08:09,680
looking possibly get out of that

5186
04:08:09,680 --> 04:08:11,359
business whereas I don't think we're

5187
04:08:11,359 --> 04:08:13,199
going to get out of electrical business

5188
04:08:13,199 --> 04:08:16,239
anytime soon. But they we wear out uh

5189
04:08:16,239 --> 04:08:18,960
very quickly and they'll a truck like

5190
04:08:18,960 --> 04:08:21,199
that you you have to piece meal together

5191
04:08:21,199 --> 04:08:23,279
and you end up spending a lot more money

5192
04:08:23,279 --> 04:08:25,040
on it than you normally would if you

5193
04:08:25,040 --> 04:08:28,479
just send it to auction or replace it.

5194
04:08:28,479 --> 04:08:31,279
>> This one's also PGO cash funded instead

5195
04:08:31,279 --> 04:08:35,510
of debt funded as well.

5196
04:08:35,520 --> 04:08:38,399
Yeah. So, uh, like you know, you can see

5197
04:08:38,399 --> 04:08:41,040
it's been in the it's, you know, was in

5198
04:08:41,040 --> 04:08:43,199
the budget last year which was approved

5199
04:08:43,199 --> 04:08:46,239
and and this year's, uh, it's just a

5200
04:08:46,239 --> 04:08:48,319
matter of timing for us when they become

5201
04:08:48,319 --> 04:08:50,479
available and the lead time that we have

5202
04:08:50,479 --> 04:08:54,000
to plan for to get them. So, uh, I would

5203
04:08:54,000 --> 04:08:56,479
suspect that, uh, we know the big bucket

5204
04:08:56,479 --> 04:08:59,120
truck that we have that we're replacing,

5205
04:08:59,120 --> 04:09:00,880
we'll probably send that to auction

5206
04:09:00,880 --> 04:09:03,920
because it's worn out. You know, it's

5207
04:09:03,920 --> 04:09:06,560
probably not worth keeping. The small

5208
04:09:06,560 --> 04:09:08,239
bucket truck we're replacing, we'll

5209
04:09:08,239 --> 04:09:09,840
probably hang on to that for a little

5210
04:09:09,840 --> 04:09:12,000
while because it's used, still somewhat

5211
04:09:12,000 --> 04:09:14,319
usable, but it's not becoming a

5212
04:09:14,319 --> 04:09:16,720
frontline truck anymore. You know, it's

5213
04:09:16,720 --> 04:09:18,640
got to be relegated to a part-time

5214
04:09:18,640 --> 04:09:20,319
situation.

5215
04:09:20,319 --> 04:09:23,680
So uh and that truck uh is 11 years old

5216
04:09:23,680 --> 04:09:26,720
to 12 years old.

5217
04:09:26,720 --> 04:09:30,479
>> What is average lifespan on on the

5218
04:09:30,479 --> 04:09:31,680
utility trucks?

5219
04:09:31,680 --> 04:09:34,560
>> I know that uh APCO replaces every seven

5220
04:09:34,560 --> 04:09:35,279
years.

5221
04:09:35,279 --> 04:09:36,720
>> I I thought it was less than

5222
04:09:36,720 --> 04:09:39,600
>> or maybe even less than that. So we're

5223
04:09:39,600 --> 04:09:42,800
talking about 11 to 18 years that we're

5224
04:09:42,800 --> 04:09:45,439
getting out of trucks, which is a lot

5225
04:09:45,439 --> 04:09:46,000
more.

5226
04:09:46,000 --> 04:09:47,439
>> They have a lot bigger territory to

5227
04:09:47,439 --> 04:09:48,960
serve also.

5228
04:09:48,960 --> 04:09:50,640
>> Yeah. and our trucks get beat up. And

5229
04:09:50,640 --> 04:09:52,399
when you're working up in Big Island or

5230
04:09:52,399 --> 04:09:54,080
around there, it's it's a different

5231
04:09:54,080 --> 04:09:54,720
world

5232
04:09:54,720 --> 04:09:56,880
>> than being down here.

5233
04:09:56,880 --> 04:09:59,680
>> We depreciate it every seven years.

5234
04:09:59,680 --> 04:10:14,550
here.

5235
04:10:14,560 --> 04:10:22,389
Any more CIP questions?

5236
04:10:22,399 --> 04:10:24,720
Are you all ready for general fund or or

5237
04:10:24,720 --> 04:10:29,189
not?

5238
04:10:29,199 --> 04:10:30,720
Y'all aren't going line by line, are

5239
04:10:30,720 --> 04:10:32,080
you?

5240
04:10:32,080 --> 04:10:34,479
>> No.

5241
04:10:34,479 --> 04:10:36,239
>> There might be a couple of questions,

5242
04:10:36,239 --> 04:10:38,960
lot items, not general fun.

5243
04:10:38,960 --> 04:10:40,720
>> Okay, y'all. Y'all want to go? Y'all

5244
04:10:40,720 --> 04:10:42,319
ready for general fun?

5245
04:10:42,319 --> 04:10:48,309
>> Let's roll. All right, general fun.

5246
04:10:48,319 --> 04:10:59,670
» All right.

5247
04:10:59,680 --> 04:11:02,080
What do y'all have? I'm let somebody

5248
04:11:02,080 --> 04:11:04,720
speak,

5249
04:11:04,720 --> 04:11:06,479
>> but

5250
04:11:06,479 --> 04:11:08,160
you're leading the pack. Dave, don't

5251
04:11:08,160 --> 04:11:12,229
stop on comments.

5252
04:11:12,239 --> 04:11:14,239
» I just curious about the I think it was

5253
04:11:14,239 --> 04:11:16,800
the retail sales actually. Was it the

5254
04:11:16,800 --> 04:11:18,960
resale sales?

5255
04:11:18,960 --> 04:11:19,920
>> What page?

5256
04:11:19,920 --> 04:11:21,600
>> It's on It's on page

5257
04:11:21,600 --> 04:11:22,160
>> 89.

5258
04:11:22,160 --> 04:11:23,920
It's the revenues. Yeah, I was

5259
04:11:23,920 --> 04:11:25,760
looking at the revenues where we're

5260
04:11:25,760 --> 04:11:29,199
projecting it dropping a little bit.

5261
04:11:29,199 --> 04:11:32,399
>> We did because we had one retailer that

5262
04:11:32,399 --> 04:11:34,319
was reclassified as a wholesaler.

5263
04:11:34,319 --> 04:11:34,800
>> Okay.

5264
04:11:34,800 --> 04:11:36,720
>> Um so that dropped the revenue quite a

5265
04:11:36,720 --> 04:11:40,319
bit. But I will say based on

5266
04:11:40,319 --> 04:11:42,720
budget um amounts that we currently

5267
04:11:42,720 --> 04:11:44,399
have. So we proposed the budget, but

5268
04:11:44,399 --> 04:11:46,000
it's due in the end of March, we

5269
04:11:46,000 --> 04:11:47,680
collected a lot of times through April,

5270
04:11:47,680 --> 04:11:50,239
but we've now built everything today. We

5271
04:11:50,239 --> 04:11:55,590
have build out retail sales of $450,000.

5272
04:11:55,600 --> 04:11:58,880
So that's big difference. So you do have

5273
04:11:58,880 --> 04:12:01,680
a surplus in that line item based on

5274
04:12:01,680 --> 04:12:07,990
what we've built out this year.

5275
04:12:08,000 --> 04:12:10,960
other in the same vein on the same page.

5276
04:12:10,960 --> 04:12:13,760
The question I would I had was I mean I

5277
04:12:13,760 --> 04:12:15,840
may be kind of late to the but the

5278
04:12:15,840 --> 04:12:18,800
payments to from the water authority

5279
04:12:18,800 --> 04:12:20,960
>> it was almost half a million through

5280
04:12:20,960 --> 04:12:23,199
until 27. What was that?

5281
04:12:23,199 --> 04:12:24,640
>> That's reimbursing us for general

5282
04:12:24,640 --> 04:12:26,640
obligation debt that was for water and

5283
04:12:26,640 --> 04:12:28,960
sewer lines that we couldn't assign.

5284
04:12:28,960 --> 04:12:29,920
>> Okay.

5285
04:12:29,920 --> 04:12:32,160
>> It's fully paid now. So the the debt

5286
04:12:32,160 --> 04:12:34,160
also dropped off on the expense.

5287
04:12:34,160 --> 04:12:46,950
>> Yeah. Okay. was a one for one.

5288
04:12:46,960 --> 04:12:49,279
Of course, above that when is voluntary

5289
04:12:49,279 --> 04:12:51,760
settlement agreement, we are working on

5290
04:12:51,760 --> 04:12:54,000
a plan for that

5291
04:12:54,000 --> 04:12:56,479
tentatively. Something that may be

5292
04:12:56,479 --> 04:12:59,600
workable in partners.

5293
04:12:59,600 --> 04:13:02,399
Good answer.

5294
04:13:02,399 --> 04:13:09,269
Right.

5295
04:13:09,279 --> 04:13:16,790
Page 90

5296
04:13:16,800 --> 04:13:20,070
91

5297
04:13:20,080 --> 04:13:21,760
question on that. I don't want to lead

5298
04:13:21,760 --> 04:13:26,399
it be beat up. Uh, but I just

5299
04:13:26,399 --> 04:13:29,279
so it seems like and Jim, sorry I'm

5300
04:13:29,279 --> 04:13:30,640
going to beat you up a little bit, but

5301
04:13:30,640 --> 04:13:32,319
it seems like the court finds and

5302
04:13:32,319 --> 04:13:34,479
forfeitures. I mean, I don't know if

5303
04:13:34,479 --> 04:13:37,120
it's tickets or whatever, but it's seems

5304
04:13:37,120 --> 04:13:40,399
like it's on a on a downward slope. Is

5305
04:13:40,399 --> 04:13:42,479
that

5306
04:13:42,479 --> 04:13:43,199
>> what you're seeing?

5307
04:13:43,199 --> 04:13:44,560
>> It should be picking up significantly

5308
04:13:44,560 --> 04:13:46,960
now that I got more people. We're

5309
04:13:46,960 --> 04:13:50,080
working a lot more extra enforcement,

5310
04:13:50,080 --> 04:13:52,640
DMV grants,

5311
04:13:52,640 --> 04:13:55,680
ASAP type stuff and even parking

5312
04:13:55,680 --> 04:14:01,830
enforcement increasing over the past

5313
04:14:01,840 --> 04:14:05,520
» do a lot of your folks still have to

5314
04:14:05,520 --> 04:14:08,080
escort people to the hospital type thing

5315
04:14:08,080 --> 04:14:09,199
and have to stay there with them.

5316
04:14:09,199 --> 04:14:11,760
>> Oh yeah. And that's and that could be

5317
04:14:11,760 --> 04:14:12,960
somebody coming in from another

5318
04:14:12,960 --> 04:14:14,239
jurisdiction because we have the

5319
04:14:14,239 --> 04:14:14,960
hospital here,

5320
04:14:14,960 --> 04:14:17,920
>> right? that ties our people up a lot

5321
04:14:17,920 --> 04:14:35,910
more eco ts.

5322
04:14:35,920 --> 04:14:44,149
» Where are we?

5323
04:14:44,159 --> 04:14:45,120
91

5324
04:14:45,120 --> 04:14:54,550
>> 91

5325
04:14:54,560 --> 04:15:03,830
» 92

5326
04:15:03,840 --> 04:15:17,189
you good 93

5327
04:15:17,199 --> 04:15:21,760
This may be next to nothing as far as

5328
04:15:21,760 --> 04:15:24,239
things that go on, but one of the things

5329
04:15:24,239 --> 04:15:27,279
that I notice is

5330
04:15:27,279 --> 04:15:29,199
postage. We're asking for a whole lot

5331
04:15:29,199 --> 04:15:30,880
less than we have in the past, but it's

5332
04:15:30,880 --> 04:15:33,439
my understanding postage is going up. Is

5333
04:15:33,439 --> 04:15:35,279
that something we need to take another

5334
04:15:35,279 --> 04:15:38,000
look at or is that a pretty good figure?

5335
04:15:38,000 --> 04:15:39,760
>> Which um which department?

5336
04:15:39,760 --> 04:15:41,120
>> Well, just pick a department. I mean it

5337
04:15:41,120 --> 04:15:42,159
just there was several

5338
04:15:42,159 --> 04:15:44,479
>> mine's proposed to go down but

5339
04:15:44,479 --> 04:15:47,040
>> I send email. I don't worry.

5340
04:15:47,040 --> 04:15:48,880
>> Most of us because we created cost

5341
04:15:48,880 --> 04:15:50,880
centers and the electric fund is and now

5342
04:15:50,880 --> 04:15:52,880
we're sharing the postage cost electric

5343
04:15:52,880 --> 04:15:54,560
fund. I mean I'll give you a primary

5344
04:15:54,560 --> 04:15:56,479
example in the treasur's office. We've

5345
04:15:56,479 --> 04:15:58,880
been sending out disconnects and bills

5346
04:15:58,880 --> 04:16:01,600
out of the general funds postage and so

5347
04:16:01,600 --> 04:16:03,279
now we'll start allocating it to

5348
04:16:03,279 --> 04:16:04,960
electric fund instead of paying for it

5349
04:16:04,960 --> 04:16:06,159
out general fund.

5350
04:16:06,159 --> 04:16:07,760
>> Okay.

5351
04:16:07,760 --> 04:16:09,600
>> Yeah. Cuz one of the one of the ones was

5352
04:16:09,600 --> 04:16:11,920
it was for the treasur and it was half

5353
04:16:11,920 --> 04:16:15,279
of what it was last year. It's like

5354
04:16:15,279 --> 04:16:16,479
>> that's what they're talking about going

5355
04:16:16,479 --> 04:16:18,000
up to eight bucks or something like this

5356
04:16:18,000 --> 04:16:20,479
and we're we're coming down 50%.

5357
04:16:20,479 --> 04:16:21,920
>> Yeah. We're going to start allocating

5358
04:16:21,920 --> 04:16:24,880
our costs depending on function. So will

5359
04:16:24,880 --> 04:16:27,199
you bring that up vice mayor up like do

5360
04:16:27,199 --> 04:16:28,880
we need to talk about what we talked

5361
04:16:28,880 --> 04:16:32,000
about earlier about possibly

5362
04:16:32,000 --> 04:16:34,640
doing away with the post parson doing it

5363
04:16:34,640 --> 04:16:36,399
ourselves and stuff like that saving

5364
04:16:36,399 --> 04:16:39,600
money in the process stuff or do we need

5365
04:16:39,600 --> 04:16:44,790
to have discussion now later

5366
04:16:44,800 --> 04:16:46,479
» about having a postage

5367
04:16:46,479 --> 04:16:48,399
>> well like Mr. warning to holes at the

5368
04:16:48,399 --> 04:16:50,560
beginning to be doing away with the

5369
04:16:50,560 --> 04:16:52,720
mailing service, doing it ourselves,

5370
04:16:52,720 --> 04:16:55,199
putting it out, mailing it that way,

5371
04:16:55,199 --> 04:16:57,120
saving money and not having a mail.

5372
04:16:57,120 --> 04:16:58,560
Where's our mailing service? North

5373
04:16:58,560 --> 04:16:59,600
Carolina.

5374
04:16:59,600 --> 04:17:01,199
>> It's in Vernick. So, they pick it up

5375
04:17:01,199 --> 04:17:02,560
here and they take it to a mass

5376
04:17:02,560 --> 04:17:04,960
distribution center.

5377
04:17:04,960 --> 04:17:06,720
>> I'm fully in support of that because

5378
04:17:06,720 --> 04:17:08,880
we've had a lot of issues associated

5379
04:17:08,880 --> 04:17:10,720
with it. Also, we spend a lot of

5380
04:17:10,720 --> 04:17:15,120
staffing and stuffing like myself

5381
04:17:15,120 --> 04:17:16,479
director did that yesterday.

5382
04:17:16,479 --> 04:17:19,520
>> Yeah. Once we bought the equipment,

5383
04:17:19,520 --> 04:17:21,279
I it's really more of an operational

5384
04:17:21,279 --> 04:17:22,319
issue for me.

5385
04:17:22,319 --> 04:17:23,040
>> I I was going to say

5386
04:17:23,040 --> 04:17:24,159
>> I like knowing that when we send

5387
04:17:24,159 --> 04:17:25,359
something out, everybody's going to get

5388
04:17:25,359 --> 04:17:26,399
it.

5389
04:17:26,399 --> 04:17:28,000
>> I don't have that confidence right now.

5390
04:17:28,000 --> 04:17:30,239
>> I would say that would be up to the

5391
04:17:30,239 --> 04:17:32,479
staff because it's really a staff issue

5392
04:17:32,479 --> 04:17:33,040
and not

5393
04:17:33,040 --> 04:17:34,560
>> biggest issue is the startup cost for

5394
04:17:34,560 --> 04:17:35,120
the

5395
04:17:35,120 --> 04:17:38,239
>> correct just the folder inserter is over

5396
04:17:38,239 --> 04:17:40,080
$10,000 and then I'm guessing the

5397
04:17:40,080 --> 04:17:43,279
postage machine is another 5 to7,000. So

5398
04:17:43,279 --> 04:17:46,560
you're probably talking about 17 18

5399
04:17:46,560 --> 04:17:47,359
>> equipment.

5400
04:17:47,359 --> 04:17:50,000
>> Is it AMS? No, not AMS. What's the

5401
04:17:50,000 --> 04:17:52,640
>> automated mailing service?

5402
04:17:52,640 --> 04:17:55,279
>> And that in that contract is how much?

5403
04:17:55,279 --> 04:17:58,640
>> Um, it's a per item contract. So we pay

5404
04:17:58,640 --> 04:18:01,520
a slight premium over postage per piece

5405
04:18:01,520 --> 04:18:03,520
of mail.

5406
04:18:03,520 --> 04:18:05,680
>> Anyway, I'm sorry. That's really more of

5407
04:18:05,680 --> 04:18:07,920
an operational issue. It does have

5408
04:18:07,920 --> 04:18:08,800
upfront cost,

5409
04:18:08,800 --> 04:18:11,279
>> but it does have in each department like

5410
04:18:11,279 --> 04:18:13,439
poke in this department, purchases

5411
04:18:13,439 --> 04:18:15,120
in that department and stuff like that.

5412
04:18:15,120 --> 04:18:17,439
So that would if we done it all together

5413
04:18:17,439 --> 04:18:20,000
in one thing. Would you have that in

5414
04:18:20,000 --> 04:18:20,800
each?

5415
04:18:20,800 --> 04:18:22,880
>> Yes, we would still allocate the cost to

5416
04:18:22,880 --> 04:18:24,080
each department.

5417
04:18:24,080 --> 04:18:27,510
>> Yeah.

5418
04:18:27,520 --> 04:18:28,960
» But really at the end of the day, it's

5419
04:18:28,960 --> 04:18:31,199
not rocket science. So if you had a

5420
04:18:31,199 --> 04:18:33,120
couple reliable volunteers that would

5421
04:18:33,120 --> 04:18:35,040
come in then becomes

5422
04:18:35,040 --> 04:18:36,159
>> I can do it.

5423
04:18:36,159 --> 04:18:36,960
>> Well I mean

5424
04:18:36,960 --> 04:18:38,239
>> to your point we definitely know it's

5425
04:18:38,239 --> 04:18:41,199
not like a science

5426
04:18:41,199 --> 04:18:42,399
>> that's expensive.

5427
04:18:42,399 --> 04:18:46,159
>> Former Marine can do it.

5428
04:18:46,159 --> 04:18:47,120
>> You volunteer.

5429
04:18:47,120 --> 04:18:49,040
>> Yeah.

5430
04:18:49,040 --> 04:18:50,880
>> Put his name down. I might as well I

5431
04:18:50,880 --> 04:18:53,600
volunteer for everything else. So

5432
04:18:53,600 --> 04:18:56,560
>> we think you for yourself.

5433
04:18:56,560 --> 04:18:58,080
>> You continue talking about that.

5434
04:18:58,080 --> 04:18:59,680
>> You volunteered once. That's enough,

5435
04:18:59,680 --> 04:19:01,840
huh?

5436
04:19:01,840 --> 04:19:04,479
>> But but no, I think that's a between

5437
04:19:04,479 --> 04:19:07,520
staff to have break figure out the the

5438
04:19:07,520 --> 04:19:09,760
benefits and costs and all that.

5439
04:19:09,760 --> 04:19:10,159
>> Okay.

5440
04:19:10,159 --> 04:19:11,760
>> How how you would benefit from it.

5441
04:19:11,760 --> 04:19:13,760
>> The main thing is budget funding. We

5442
04:19:13,760 --> 04:19:15,520
would need to have it approved for

5443
04:19:15,520 --> 04:19:20,790
budget funding.

5444
04:19:20,800 --> 04:19:22,080
» I was just, you know, when I first read

5445
04:19:22,080 --> 04:19:24,560
over it, it was like, are we going to

5446
04:19:24,560 --> 04:19:28,000
get into, you know, August or, you know,

5447
04:19:28,000 --> 04:19:29,680
something? We need more money because we

5448
04:19:29,680 --> 04:19:32,080
spent we spent our allocation in in

5449
04:19:32,080 --> 04:19:37,110
postage already.

5450
04:19:37,120 --> 04:19:38,239
» Increase the rates again.

5451
04:19:38,239 --> 04:19:43,510
>> Yes,

5452
04:19:43,520 --> 04:19:45,199
» that's another topic.

5453
04:19:45,199 --> 04:19:47,120
>> I will say postage looks kind of high,

5454
04:19:47,120 --> 04:19:49,520
but it does also include things other

5455
04:19:49,520 --> 04:19:51,199
than just postage. It includes our

5456
04:19:51,199 --> 04:19:57,269
mailing envelopes as well.

5457
04:19:57,279 --> 04:19:59,279
I would say that would be discussion

5458
04:19:59,279 --> 04:20:02,159
y'all have to figure it out and let us

5459
04:20:02,159 --> 04:20:02,560
know.

5460
04:20:02,560 --> 04:20:04,000
>> We'll let you know what it cost.

5461
04:20:04,000 --> 04:20:05,120
>> Yeah.

5462
04:20:05,120 --> 04:20:07,600
>> All right.

5463
04:20:07,600 --> 04:20:09,359
>> 95.

5464
04:20:09,359 --> 04:20:11,359
>> Yeah.

5465
04:20:11,359 --> 04:20:11,920
>> 96.

5466
04:20:11,920 --> 04:20:14,800
>> I'm at 99. Sorry.

5467
04:20:14,800 --> 04:20:17,990
>> 132.

5468
04:20:18,000 --> 04:20:19,359
» 96. We're wrong.

5469
04:20:19,359 --> 04:20:23,030
>> Yes, sir.

5470
04:20:23,040 --> 04:20:25,840
chief up again. Sorry. Chief,

5471
04:20:25,840 --> 04:20:27,920
>> Jim, it's just I'm I'm concerned a

5472
04:20:27,920 --> 04:20:32,479
little bit about the overtime rate

5473
04:20:32,479 --> 04:20:35,840
for one. I mean, we're at it's projected

5474
04:20:35,840 --> 04:20:38,080
to be at $24,000.

5475
04:20:38,080 --> 04:20:43,510
I mean, that's I mean, I know that.

5476
04:20:43,520 --> 04:20:46,640
Can you kind of tell me how that plays

5477
04:20:46,640 --> 04:20:48,880
in or is it I mean is it like is it

5478
04:20:48,880 --> 04:20:51,279
going to be be more of uh folks having

5479
04:20:51,279 --> 04:20:53,439
to do the like say TDOS CCOs and things

5480
04:20:53,439 --> 04:20:54,479
like that or is it

5481
04:20:54,479 --> 04:20:56,319
>> that's part of it we do get some of that

5482
04:20:56,319 --> 04:20:58,319
money back

5483
04:20:58,319 --> 04:21:00,640
but there's also unfunded special

5484
04:21:00,640 --> 04:21:02,640
events. There's also things like

5485
04:21:02,640 --> 04:21:04,479
Halloween when we have everybody out

5486
04:21:04,479 --> 04:21:06,640
because it's such a dangerous situation

5487
04:21:06,640 --> 04:21:08,640
which is not a town function.

5488
04:21:08,640 --> 04:21:12,000
>> Correct. Um cost place for holiday

5489
04:21:12,000 --> 04:21:14,000
things like that. things I was actually

5490
04:21:14,000 --> 04:21:15,920
unaware of that.

5491
04:21:15,920 --> 04:21:17,600
>> Correct.

5492
04:21:17,600 --> 04:21:20,640
>> So, and and as I'm finally going to be

5493
04:21:20,640 --> 04:21:24,080
hopefully fully staffed, that should be

5494
04:21:24,080 --> 04:21:26,640
a little bit less extra over time as

5495
04:21:26,640 --> 04:21:30,800
well because we plan to handle

5496
04:21:30,800 --> 04:21:35,120
TDOS and ECOS is a big

5497
04:21:35,120 --> 04:21:36,800
>> I was I was I'm sorry. Go ahead.

5498
04:21:36,800 --> 04:21:38,640
>> I was going to ask earlier uh we was

5499
04:21:38,640 --> 04:21:41,040
talking about the ECOS and TDOS's.

5500
04:21:41,040 --> 04:21:43,040
That's a Richmond generated thing. Do we

5501
04:21:43,040 --> 04:21:45,600
Is there any compensation that that we

5502
04:21:45,600 --> 04:21:47,040
get back from Richmond for doing that?

5503
04:21:47,040 --> 04:21:49,600
>> We get some of it back and there's

5504
04:21:49,600 --> 04:21:51,760
actually uh through Horizon there's a

5505
04:21:51,760 --> 04:21:53,920
special transport company that from time

5506
04:21:53,920 --> 04:21:56,880
to time will help us out. Best case

5507
04:21:56,880 --> 04:21:58,800
scenario sometimes we have to go serve

5508
04:21:58,800 --> 04:22:00,560
papers and they'll sit and transport

5509
04:22:00,560 --> 04:22:03,520
them but it doesn't happen very often.

5510
04:22:03,520 --> 04:22:06,000
So it's a work in progress. I know the

5511
04:22:06,000 --> 04:22:08,720
previous uh administration made some

5512
04:22:08,720 --> 04:22:11,439
strides towards helping and I'm hoping

5513
04:22:11,439 --> 04:22:13,760
that the current administration is going

5514
04:22:13,760 --> 04:22:15,920
to continue to to help us out with that

5515
04:22:15,920 --> 04:22:18,319
as well.

5516
04:22:18,319 --> 04:22:21,600
It's not a not a m magic bullet, but

5517
04:22:21,600 --> 04:22:23,120
mental health, which is something that

5518
04:22:23,120 --> 04:22:24,960
police have been pulled into in nearly

5519
04:22:24,960 --> 04:22:27,359
every state, which is really something

5520
04:22:27,359 --> 04:22:30,319
unless somebody's an immediate threat to

5521
04:22:30,319 --> 04:22:31,760
someone else, it's really something we

5522
04:22:31,760 --> 04:22:34,479
shouldn't be fooled with.

5523
04:22:34,479 --> 04:22:36,960
But you do

5524
04:22:36,960 --> 04:22:41,110
>> seems to get worse every year.

5525
04:22:41,120 --> 04:22:43,359
» There were a couple of bills passed this

5526
04:22:43,359 --> 04:22:45,840
year that should h that should help, but

5527
04:22:45,840 --> 04:22:47,680
I don't know if they were funded. Do you

5528
04:22:47,680 --> 04:22:48,000
know?

5529
04:22:48,000 --> 04:22:53,189
>> I don't know.

5530
04:22:53,199 --> 04:22:55,680
» And that does the does the overtime

5531
04:22:55,680 --> 04:22:58,479
include

5532
04:22:58,479 --> 04:23:00,640
officers you have on call?

5533
04:23:00,640 --> 04:23:01,520
>> Yes.

5534
04:23:01,520 --> 04:23:03,199
>> Yeah. detectives are the only ones that

5535
04:23:03,199 --> 04:23:07,030
get

5536
04:23:07,040 --> 04:23:08,800
» and this isn't this next one's not

5537
04:23:08,800 --> 04:23:10,319
comment's not on you but we talked about

5538
04:23:10,319 --> 04:23:12,159
it before the next slide item is

5539
04:23:12,159 --> 04:23:14,960
compensation special events that's about

5540
04:23:14,960 --> 04:23:17,439
$12,000 but if we can start recouping

5541
04:23:17,439 --> 04:23:19,920
some of that then that goes toward

5542
04:23:19,920 --> 04:23:20,239
helping

5543
04:23:20,239 --> 04:23:21,920
>> out

5544
04:23:21,920 --> 04:23:23,920
an example we're over in that category

5545
04:23:23,920 --> 04:23:26,159
this year

5546
04:23:26,159 --> 04:23:31,110
>> so we're having regular

5547
04:23:31,120 --> 04:23:39,670
» thanks

5548
04:23:39,680 --> 04:23:40,640
Good.

5549
04:23:40,640 --> 04:23:43,120
>> And one other change I may want to just

5550
04:23:43,120 --> 04:23:45,040
point out is we did used to have career

5551
04:23:45,040 --> 04:23:47,120
enhancements separately and we've rolled

5552
04:23:47,120 --> 04:23:50,239
that into their compensation in 25. So

5553
04:23:50,239 --> 04:23:52,239
that's one change to increase

5554
04:23:52,239 --> 04:24:06,550
compensation.

5555
04:24:06,560 --> 04:24:11,349
97.

5556
04:24:11,359 --> 04:24:13,199
» I mean, we can go through each page, but

5557
04:24:13,199 --> 04:24:15,359
do you all have anything specific that

5558
04:24:15,359 --> 04:24:17,279
you have on I mean, we can just pull the

5559
04:24:17,279 --> 04:24:19,439
pages y'all have notes on and talk about

5560
04:24:19,439 --> 04:24:20,159
those or

5561
04:24:20,159 --> 04:24:21,439
>> up on 98.

5562
04:24:21,439 --> 04:24:24,479
>> Okay. up there

5563
04:24:24,479 --> 04:24:26,560
vehicle replacement

5564
04:24:26,560 --> 04:24:31,269
under the PD $272,000.

5565
04:24:31,279 --> 04:24:32,640
I know we've been doing the lease

5566
04:24:32,640 --> 04:24:34,080
program. The lease program has been

5567
04:24:34,080 --> 04:24:35,920
working very well for us. So, I'm just

5568
04:24:35,920 --> 04:24:38,640
trying to see why that number flatuated

5569
04:24:38,640 --> 04:24:39,840
that high this year.

5570
04:24:39,840 --> 04:24:42,479
>> Uh because we're slowly phasing out the

5571
04:24:42,479 --> 04:24:44,479
vehicles

5572
04:24:44,479 --> 04:24:46,159
that are getting to the end of life. So,

5573
04:24:46,159 --> 04:24:48,080
that's going to go up a little bit.

5574
04:24:48,080 --> 04:24:49,279
We're going to be adding additional

5575
04:24:49,279 --> 04:24:51,359
vehicles over the next couple years and

5576
04:24:51,359 --> 04:24:55,349
then we'll be a totally least.

5577
04:24:55,359 --> 04:24:56,800
» I see something new here because they

5578
04:24:56,800 --> 04:24:58,560
look very nice.

5579
04:24:58,560 --> 04:24:59,920
>> Yeah, I think it's important to keep the

5580
04:24:59,920 --> 04:25:03,760
guys in the gate vehicle that looks good

5581
04:25:03,760 --> 04:25:06,960
on the town and we're not having to have

5582
04:25:06,960 --> 04:25:08,720
vehicles in the shop constantly for

5583
04:25:08,720 --> 04:25:09,600
breakdowns.

5584
04:25:09,600 --> 04:25:11,680
>> Them challengers are building some real

5585
04:25:11,680 --> 04:25:13,600
problems today.

5586
04:25:13,600 --> 04:25:15,439
I think you had replacement engines in a

5587
04:25:15,439 --> 04:25:17,120
couple of them or something like that.

5588
04:25:17,120 --> 04:25:18,399
It's pretty expensive and time

5589
04:25:18,399 --> 04:25:21,279
consuming.

5590
04:25:21,279 --> 04:25:25,359
>> Well, yeah, I I was along the same wise

5591
04:25:25,359 --> 04:25:28,319
and explained some things to me which I

5592
04:25:28,319 --> 04:25:30,800
still don't understand. But my my

5593
04:25:30,800 --> 04:25:32,640
concern had been if you had looked at

5594
04:25:32,640 --> 04:25:34,720
the last two fiscal years and the

5595
04:25:34,720 --> 04:25:36,479
projection for the next one, we've spent

5596
04:25:36,479 --> 04:25:38,720
almost a million dollars in three years

5597
04:25:38,720 --> 04:25:40,960
on replacement vehicles. And I know that

5598
04:25:40,960 --> 04:25:44,159
they're being leased, but that's that's

5599
04:25:44,159 --> 04:25:47,120
a healthy sum of change. So, and you

5600
04:25:47,120 --> 04:25:50,319
mentioned how the accounting stuff works

5601
04:25:50,319 --> 04:25:52,000
and everything that we're only actually

5602
04:25:52,000 --> 04:25:55,199
paying like $15,000 a month, right?

5603
04:25:55,199 --> 04:25:56,159
>> Correct.

5604
04:25:56,159 --> 04:25:58,560
>> Yeah. Gatsby 87 is a new accounting

5605
04:25:58,560 --> 04:25:59,840
standard that came out a couple years

5606
04:25:59,840 --> 04:26:01,920
ago that plays into that. It requires

5607
04:26:01,920 --> 04:26:04,479
when you issue a new lease to take the

5608
04:26:04,479 --> 04:26:06,239
present value of all your lease payments

5609
04:26:06,239 --> 04:26:09,040
and record it as a revenue and expense

5610
04:26:09,040 --> 04:26:10,800
all in one year and then you start

5611
04:26:10,800 --> 04:26:12,319
advertising it with your normal

5612
04:26:12,319 --> 04:26:14,319
payments. But what that does is it sure

5613
04:26:14,319 --> 04:26:16,319
makes your financials look bad because

5614
04:26:16,319 --> 04:26:17,680
you're looking at how much you spent.

5615
04:26:17,680 --> 04:26:19,600
You're seeing that full lease cost hit

5616
04:26:19,600 --> 04:26:21,760
in one year. It's not really accurate.

5617
04:26:21,760 --> 04:26:23,760
You have to net it with revenue line

5618
04:26:23,760 --> 04:26:25,680
item as well.

5619
04:26:25,680 --> 04:26:27,760
>> I think also on that lease program once

5620
04:26:27,760 --> 04:26:29,600
we sell a vehicle back to them, we make

5621
04:26:29,600 --> 04:26:30,720
a little bit of money on it.

5622
04:26:30,720 --> 04:26:33,279
>> Yes, we do. So, we do pay a premium to

5623
04:26:33,279 --> 04:26:34,960
Enterprise for the lease program.

5624
04:26:34,960 --> 04:26:36,479
there's an interest that we pay and

5625
04:26:36,479 --> 04:26:37,600
that's how they make money on the

5626
04:26:37,600 --> 04:26:39,120
program. But when they sell it at the

5627
04:26:39,120 --> 04:26:42,319
end, we do rec recoup what they sell

5628
04:26:42,319 --> 04:26:44,560
over what we agree to and we almost

5629
04:26:44,560 --> 04:26:46,239
always end up on the positive side. We

5630
04:26:46,239 --> 04:26:50,710
do a great job.

5631
04:26:50,720 --> 04:26:52,560
My last my last question about what you

5632
04:26:52,560 --> 04:26:58,880
said is is there as you looked at it would there

5633
04:26:58,880 --> 04:27:01,279
be a potential cost savings to have

5634
04:27:01,279 --> 04:27:04,399
enterprise do the maintenance and upkeep

5635
04:27:04,399 --> 04:27:06,960
versus the town? I I don't know. I'm

5636
04:27:06,960 --> 04:27:07,439
just asking.

5637
04:27:07,439 --> 04:27:08,960
>> That's a good question. The last time

5638
04:27:08,960 --> 04:27:12,000
that I sat in, it's been two years, but

5639
04:27:12,000 --> 04:27:13,439
I will say the last time I sat in on a

5640
04:27:13,439 --> 04:27:15,600
boat, it was around 50 or 60 bucks per

5641
04:27:15,600 --> 04:27:17,199
month for a vehicle to add into the

5642
04:27:17,199 --> 04:27:19,359
fixed maintenance program. That means we

5643
04:27:19,359 --> 04:27:22,000
didn't pay if it went into the shop. So,

5644
04:27:22,000 --> 04:27:24,880
you would have to add 5060 a month. It

5645
04:27:24,880 --> 04:27:26,479
could be a little bit more now per

5646
04:27:26,479 --> 04:27:28,800
vehicle,

5647
04:27:28,800 --> 04:27:31,199
but you will see to look at their um

5648
04:27:31,199 --> 04:27:34,640
budget. If you look at outside repair in

5649
04:27:34,640 --> 04:27:38,159
their garage, you can see the studying

5650
04:27:38,159 --> 04:27:41,520
has gone down substantially

5651
04:27:41,520 --> 04:27:45,199
cuz we started the program back in 23 I

5652
04:27:45,199 --> 04:27:54,630
think

5653
04:27:54,640 --> 04:27:56,399
» repair outside garage which I wish you

5654
04:27:56,399 --> 04:27:59,680
had 22 you could see 22 versus 23 you'd

5655
04:27:59,680 --> 04:28:03,040
see a very large drop but

5656
04:28:03,040 --> 04:28:08,710
>> how many deer you hit

5657
04:28:08,720 --> 04:28:09,680
At least you're doing

5658
04:28:09,680 --> 04:28:13,120
>> We had one deer strike cost 14 grand.

5659
04:28:13,120 --> 04:28:13,520
>> Oh yeah.

5660
04:28:13,520 --> 04:28:14,720
>> At least you're doing your part to

5661
04:28:14,720 --> 04:28:16,399
reduce the deer. That's right.

5662
04:28:16,399 --> 04:28:20,710
>> Is that the deer eradication program?

5663
04:28:20,720 --> 04:28:23,359
» That's pretty expensive.

5664
04:28:23,359 --> 04:28:29,110
>> One shot, one kill.

5665
04:28:29,120 --> 04:28:30,880
» Yeah. I mean, I just it's just it'd be

5666
04:28:30,880 --> 04:28:32,319
something that would be interesting to

5667
04:28:32,319 --> 04:28:35,520
see, I think, if uh but yeah, it looks

5668
04:28:35,520 --> 04:28:38,399
like it's gone down. It's just

5669
04:28:38,399 --> 04:28:40,239
I'm sure he's got a lot of his hands

5670
04:28:40,239 --> 04:28:42,880
full working fixing other things as

5671
04:28:42,880 --> 04:28:47,750
well, too.

5672
04:28:47,760 --> 04:28:50,640
All right.

5673
04:28:50,640 --> 04:28:55,990
99. We're good.

5674
04:28:56,000 --> 04:28:59,600
You want to pick a paper?

5675
04:28:59,600 --> 04:29:01,040
90 99.

5676
04:29:01,040 --> 04:29:03,520
>> Okay. Uh

5677
04:29:03,520 --> 04:29:06,159
community development along the same

5678
04:29:06,159 --> 04:29:09,199
lines of the auto repairs, outside

5679
04:29:09,199 --> 04:29:11,199
garage.

5680
04:29:11,199 --> 04:29:14,000
What does $50 cover in any type of

5681
04:29:14,000 --> 04:29:15,359
outside garage repair?

5682
04:29:15,359 --> 04:29:18,319
>> It's it's a placeholder.

5683
04:29:18,319 --> 04:29:20,800
We have the code enforcement vehicles

5684
04:29:20,800 --> 04:29:22,960
and we used to have to have a line item

5685
04:29:22,960 --> 04:29:24,640
charge to if something goes wrong. You

5686
04:29:24,640 --> 04:29:30,950
could zero it out.

5687
04:29:30,960 --> 04:29:32,880
And in fact, there might even be a few

5688
04:29:32,880 --> 04:29:35,359
line items like that that are like $50

5689
04:29:35,359 --> 04:29:36,880
interspersed.

5690
04:29:36,880 --> 04:29:38,640
If you're agreeable, we could zero those

5691
04:29:38,640 --> 04:29:41,279
out and put them in contingency.

5692
04:29:41,279 --> 04:29:42,560
As long as you all understood that we

5693
04:29:42,560 --> 04:29:44,560
might actually hit the contingency at

5694
04:29:44,560 --> 04:29:48,000
some point. That That's what it is.

5695
04:29:48,000 --> 04:29:50,399
>> Well, I mean, at at a $50 limit, I

5696
04:29:50,399 --> 04:29:53,040
expect we're going to hit contingency

5697
04:29:53,040 --> 04:29:56,000
need. We we just when we when we zero

5698
04:29:56,000 --> 04:29:58,399
things out, sometimes either the system

5699
04:29:58,399 --> 04:30:00,479
or council then is tempted to do away

5700
04:30:00,479 --> 04:30:02,880
with the line item and sometimes things

5701
04:30:02,880 --> 04:30:04,479
come up that we don't expect and we need

5702
04:30:04,479 --> 04:30:06,399
to code them to something appropriate

5703
04:30:06,399 --> 04:30:09,359
like the settlement of the uh scale

5704
04:30:09,359 --> 04:30:11,600
house issue at the county. We had to

5705
04:30:11,600 --> 04:30:14,560
scramble to find a lot item to get that

5706
04:30:14,560 --> 04:30:16,800
expenditure from. So that that's it's

5707
04:30:16,800 --> 04:30:19,520
just an accounting and transparency

5708
04:30:19,520 --> 04:30:21,120
item.

5709
04:30:21,120 --> 04:30:22,800
Yeah,

5710
04:30:22,800 --> 04:30:24,800
we won't spend $50. We spend anything,

5711
04:30:24,800 --> 04:30:26,399
it's going to be more than that, but

5712
04:30:26,399 --> 04:30:32,149
we'll pull it out of contingency.

5713
04:30:32,159 --> 04:30:33,439
Just just want to make sure that the

5714
04:30:33,439 --> 04:30:35,040
line item doesn't go away. We'll

5715
04:30:35,040 --> 04:30:36,960
transfer it from contingency to this

5716
04:30:36,960 --> 04:30:39,760
line item if something comes up.

5717
04:30:39,760 --> 04:30:41,359
>> Is that process simpler than just paint

5718
04:30:41,359 --> 04:30:43,520
it out of the contingency?

5719
04:30:43,520 --> 04:30:45,600
>> Well, I mean, I'd say we'll we'll we'll

5720
04:30:45,600 --> 04:30:49,120
let you know that's what we're doing.

5721
04:30:49,120 --> 04:30:50,800
Is it simpler to know? Is it more

5722
04:30:50,800 --> 04:30:54,710
transparent? Yes.

5723
04:30:54,720 --> 04:30:55,359
» All right.

5724
04:30:55,359 --> 04:30:58,399
>> Page 101. 101.

5725
04:30:58,399 --> 04:31:00,800
>> General Administration Garage Materials

5726
04:31:00,800 --> 04:31:05,510
and Supplies 20 grand.

5727
04:31:05,520 --> 04:31:10,070
Is that the same thing?

5728
04:31:10,080 --> 04:31:11,760
» Yeah. This is where our garage orders

5729
04:31:11,760 --> 04:31:14,800
out. I think I would like to create

5730
04:31:14,800 --> 04:31:17,680
account under the garage, but the reason

5731
04:31:17,680 --> 04:31:19,520
And I understand why they don't have

5732
04:31:19,520 --> 04:31:20,800
budget there. It's cuz they don't have

5733
04:31:20,800 --> 04:31:22,960
an account there.

5734
04:31:22,960 --> 04:31:26,479
So the garage is 1044350

5735
04:31:26,479 --> 04:31:28,720
on page 104. Maintenance and motor

5736
04:31:28,720 --> 04:31:30,640
vehicles. That's our in garage right

5737
04:31:30,640 --> 04:31:32,800
there. But you'll see they don't have a

5738
04:31:32,800 --> 04:31:35,040
line item for

5739
04:31:35,040 --> 04:31:36,800
supplies. So it's coded to general

5740
04:31:36,800 --> 04:32:03,590
administration.

5741
04:32:03,600 --> 04:32:04,880
Okay.

5742
04:32:04,880 --> 04:32:07,040
>> Uh,

5743
04:32:07,040 --> 04:32:08,080
103.

5744
04:32:08,080 --> 04:32:11,040
>> 103.

5745
04:32:11,040 --> 04:32:15,110
>> I thought he said 101.

5746
04:32:15,120 --> 04:32:17,600
on 102. I just had a quick just I mean

5747
04:32:17,600 --> 04:32:20,080
the the under the B the contract

5748
04:32:20,080 --> 04:32:21,840
services

5749
04:32:21,840 --> 04:32:24,319
is now showing a $60,000

5750
04:32:24,319 --> 04:32:27,600
contract services. Is that

5751
04:32:27,600 --> 04:32:28,560
just what is that?

5752
04:32:28,560 --> 04:32:30,080
>> It's hurt and profit, right?

5753
04:32:30,080 --> 04:32:30,399
>> Correct.

5754
04:32:30,399 --> 04:32:31,040
>> I'm sorry.

5755
04:32:31,040 --> 04:32:33,279
>> We used to have a staff person dedicated

5756
04:32:33,279 --> 04:32:34,800
to doing the annual reporting and

5757
04:32:34,800 --> 04:32:36,720
tracking. We've outsourced that to her

5758
04:32:36,720 --> 04:32:38,399
profit.

5759
04:32:38,399 --> 04:32:40,399
>> Thank you.

5760
04:32:40,399 --> 04:32:42,239
and might save a little bit of money on

5761
04:32:42,239 --> 04:32:47,349
benefits in the process.

5762
04:32:47,359 --> 04:32:50,000
» There's also line item up above and

5763
04:32:50,000 --> 04:33:00,149
general engineering 20,000 for non

5764
04:33:00,159 --> 04:33:01,840
» where 103

5765
04:33:01,840 --> 04:33:02,399
>> 103

5766
04:33:02,399 --> 04:33:04,639
>> top of the page vehicle replacement 75

5767
04:33:04,639 --> 04:33:15,750
grand. What's what vehicle is that?

5768
04:33:15,760 --> 04:33:18,400
What what that's about is is uh public

5769
04:33:18,400 --> 04:33:20,160
works to a point we're going to get

5770
04:33:20,160 --> 04:33:22,320
involved in the enterprise program as

5771
04:33:22,320 --> 04:33:25,600
well for the pickups and anything that

5772
04:33:25,600 --> 04:33:28,639
does not uh require air brakes

5773
04:33:28,639 --> 04:33:31,439
enterprise will handle. So that's the

5774
04:33:31,439 --> 04:33:34,799
initial to get involved in that. And one

5775
04:33:34,799 --> 04:33:36,879
thing I did want to bring up was to your

5776
04:33:36,879 --> 04:33:39,359
point that's for f that's the beginning

5777
04:33:39,359 --> 04:33:45,359
of five vehicles. I have more than that will so next year you know increase

5778
04:33:45,359 --> 04:33:47,920
to a point and then it'll level out but

5779
04:33:47,920 --> 04:33:50,080
that's the that's the intent for that

5780
04:33:50,080 --> 04:33:52,959
and that is B do funds uh that can be

5781
04:33:52,959 --> 04:33:54,879
and I got verification that can be used

5782
04:33:54,879 --> 04:34:03,590
to start that program

5783
04:34:03,600 --> 04:34:06,719
» on the same page Tom just this is no on

5784
04:34:06,719 --> 04:34:09,199
any anybody or anything I'm just curious

5785
04:34:09,199 --> 04:34:12,080
on the snow and ice removal Uh we've got

5786
04:34:12,080 --> 04:34:14,959
about the revised budget was for this

5787
04:34:14,959 --> 04:34:17,039
year was about 44,000. Next year we're

5788
04:34:17,039 --> 04:34:19,520
looking at maybe 43. And my question

5789
04:34:19,520 --> 04:34:22,719
would be is there any uh benefit to

5790
04:34:22,719 --> 04:34:25,600
contracting that service out? I would be

5791
04:34:25,600 --> 04:34:28,400
you think it'd be cheaper.

5792
04:34:28,400 --> 04:34:29,199
I mean I know

5793
04:34:29,199 --> 04:34:30,799
>> to be honest I don't know what they

5794
04:34:30,799 --> 04:34:34,799
charge. Um the benefit would be I would

5795
04:34:34,799 --> 04:34:39,590
stop getting complaint calls

5796
04:34:39,600 --> 04:34:41,520
people driveway.

5797
04:34:41,520 --> 04:34:42,639
>> That would be a benefit.

5798
04:34:42,639 --> 04:34:43,119
>> Yeah.

5799
04:34:43,119 --> 04:34:45,439
>> Um but beyond I don't know what they

5800
04:34:45,439 --> 04:34:49,039
charge. Um one thing I will add in going

5801
04:34:49,039 --> 04:34:52,400
back to the 75 the five new vehicles uh

5802
04:34:52,400 --> 04:34:54,000
that I will be getting through

5803
04:34:54,000 --> 04:34:56,719
Enterprise will all be outfitted with uh

5804
04:34:56,719 --> 04:34:57,840
snow plows. Okay.

5805
04:34:57,840 --> 04:34:59,279
>> They'll come with them.

5806
04:34:59,279 --> 04:35:02,000
>> Okay. and as well. So, we'll also have

5807
04:35:02,000 --> 04:35:04,480
blades and different things in reserve

5808
04:35:04,480 --> 04:35:07,600
that should be able to be universal. Um,

5809
04:35:07,600 --> 04:35:11,760
but uh to be honest with you,

5810
04:35:11,760 --> 04:35:14,719
boy, that's a hard typ it's it's VOTE

5811
04:35:14,719 --> 04:35:15,760
funded though, right?

5812
04:35:15,760 --> 04:35:16,400
>> Yeah.

5813
04:35:16,400 --> 04:35:19,439
>> So, there's no there's no real financial

5814
04:35:19,439 --> 04:35:21,920
benefit to us, but operationally, you

5815
04:35:21,920 --> 04:35:22,480
might want to look at

5816
04:35:22,480 --> 04:35:24,320
>> Yeah. I mean, I I really think it's an

5817
04:35:24,320 --> 04:35:26,639
operational. Yeah, we thought I guess

5818
04:35:26,639 --> 04:35:29,439
it's a reimbursement or we can charge to

5819
04:35:29,439 --> 04:35:31,119
them for a lot of like the maintenance

5820
04:35:31,119 --> 04:35:33,359
and and the product audit.

5821
04:35:33,359 --> 04:35:35,840
>> It would really be a you know,

5822
04:35:35,840 --> 04:35:39,760
>> so so that actual 43,000 is we get some

5823
04:35:39,760 --> 04:35:40,799
of that back.

5824
04:35:40,799 --> 04:35:43,359
>> So, kind of how it works is VOTE gives

5825
04:35:43,359 --> 04:35:46,000
us in the revenue side 2.3 million based

5826
04:35:46,000 --> 04:35:47,760
on our streets. There's a formula, but

5827
04:35:47,760 --> 04:35:49,520
we then get to allocate how we spend it.

5828
04:35:49,520 --> 04:35:51,359
just has to be an eligible expense.

5829
04:35:51,359 --> 04:35:52,400
>> Okay. All right.

5830
04:35:52,400 --> 04:35:54,561
>> And to be candid, we have no earthly

5831
04:35:54,561 --> 04:35:56,400
idea how much we're going to spend on

5832
04:35:56,400 --> 04:35:57,760
snow and ice at any given point.

5833
04:35:57,760 --> 04:35:59,039
>> Yeah.

5834
04:35:59,039 --> 04:36:00,240
>> Just to be honest,

5835
04:36:00,240 --> 04:36:02,400
>> Yeah. I mean, it could be a light year

5836
04:36:02,400 --> 04:36:04,799
and then it could be another slammer.

5837
04:36:04,799 --> 04:36:05,119
>> Yeah.

5838
04:36:05,119 --> 04:36:07,279
Okay.

5839
04:36:07,279 --> 04:36:12,070
>> But the nature is very unpredictable.

5840
04:36:12,080 --> 04:36:14,719
And I will say this uh to add to the

5841
04:36:14,719 --> 04:36:18,879
contract uh thing u

5842
04:36:18,879 --> 04:36:20,561
our our employees know where the

5843
04:36:20,561 --> 04:36:22,719
boundaries are. They know the streets.

5844
04:36:22,719 --> 04:36:24,240
They know where to go. They know what

5845
04:36:24,240 --> 04:36:26,561
needs to be scraped. Bring outside

5846
04:36:26,561 --> 04:36:28,799
contractors in. They're going to have to

5847
04:36:28,799 --> 04:36:30,480
have guidance. You have to show them.

5848
04:36:30,480 --> 04:36:32,080
You're going to have to lead them. So

5849
04:36:32,080 --> 04:36:34,639
some of our employees would still have

5850
04:36:34,639 --> 04:36:38,400
to be out there with it anyway. So you

5851
04:36:38,400 --> 04:36:39,760
have to weigh both options.

5852
04:36:39,760 --> 04:36:41,279
>> Oh yeah.

5853
04:36:41,279 --> 04:36:47,029
But it's a good idea.

5854
04:36:47,039 --> 04:36:49,680
» All right. What's next, gentlemen?

5855
04:36:49,680 --> 04:36:54,949
104

5856
04:36:54,959 --> 04:36:57,119
cemetery maintenance

5857
04:36:57,119 --> 04:37:02,551
from 2500 to 10,000.

5858
04:37:02,561 --> 04:37:07,199
a minute. We uh we had agreed to do some

5859
04:37:07,199 --> 04:37:10,000
uh pay for some headstone

5860
04:37:10,000 --> 04:37:12,320
uh refurbishment this year. There's a

5861
04:37:12,320 --> 04:37:14,320
gentleman and I'm sorry I don't remember

5862
04:37:14,320 --> 04:37:16,320
his name. I don't know if you I think

5863
04:37:16,320 --> 04:37:18,000
his first name is John, but he comes

5864
04:37:18,000 --> 04:37:21,680
every year and does like a class at um

5865
04:37:21,680 --> 04:37:26,000
Longwood and um or demonstration and he

5866
04:37:26,000 --> 04:37:27,600
you know refurbish it. He picks like

5867
04:37:27,600 --> 04:37:30,719
five or 10 and refurbish it. So last

5868
04:37:30,719 --> 04:37:33,760
year he made a presentation to us that

5869
04:37:33,760 --> 04:37:37,920
he he offered up a a a cost estimate to

5870
04:37:37,920 --> 04:37:41,119
do 10 or to do 20 or to do whatever we

5871
04:37:41,119 --> 04:37:44,639
wanted. And so we we added to that we're

5872
04:37:44,639 --> 04:37:47,600
going to do uh 10 this coming year. So

5873
04:37:47,600 --> 04:37:50,160
that's what that increase for. It cover

5874
04:37:50,160 --> 04:37:54,000
his cost to repair and update not update

5875
04:37:54,000 --> 04:37:56,240
but just to clean and repair some of the

5876
04:37:56,240 --> 04:37:58,959
old stuff is what that what that

5877
04:37:58,959 --> 04:38:05,429
increase charge is about.

5878
04:38:05,439 --> 04:38:10,470
on 104.

5879
04:38:10,480 --> 04:38:13,520
One quick question. So on the

5880
04:38:13,520 --> 04:38:15,119
maintenance of municipal and I'm

5881
04:38:15,119 --> 04:38:18,320
assuming that that proposed budget, it

5882
04:38:18,320 --> 04:38:19,680
dropped dramatically because we're

5883
04:38:19,680 --> 04:38:21,039
looking at doing contract and

5884
04:38:21,039 --> 04:38:22,400
everything. Okay.

5885
04:38:22,400 --> 04:38:26,390
>> That's the hope. Yes, sir.

5886
04:38:26,400 --> 04:38:28,400
» That's the hope.

5887
04:38:28,400 --> 04:38:30,080
>> Well, I mean, yeah, I know. I know.

5888
04:38:30,080 --> 04:38:31,119
Well, you know what happens when you

5889
04:38:31,119 --> 04:38:32,320
open the can?

5890
04:38:32,320 --> 04:38:34,879
>> Oh, I know.

5891
04:38:34,879 --> 04:38:38,080
>> Carl says sharing some of the cost of

5892
04:38:38,080 --> 04:38:47,830
this house is all collection.

5893
04:38:47,840 --> 04:38:51,510
» What were you? 105

5894
04:38:51,520 --> 04:38:56,310
>> 107

5895
04:38:56,320 --> 04:38:57,439
Hy says

5896
04:38:57,439 --> 04:39:00,480
>> other nondep department

5897
04:39:00,480 --> 04:39:07,510
says contingency $332,788.

5898
04:39:07,520 --> 04:39:10,959
» That's the amount planned for the CIP

5899
04:39:10,959 --> 04:39:13,279
debt issuance for this building. And

5900
04:39:13,279 --> 04:39:19,429
then the equipment

5901
04:39:19,439 --> 04:39:22,080
page

5902
04:39:22,080 --> 04:39:26,869
09

5903
04:39:26,879 --> 04:39:28,480
picking on you chief. brothers have a

5904
04:39:28,480 --> 04:39:30,320
question for me.

5905
04:39:30,320 --> 04:39:33,760
>> It says cop camp expenditure is $10,000

5906
04:39:33,760 --> 04:39:36,160
there, but if you go back to the police

5907
04:39:36,160 --> 04:39:37,920
department, it says cop camp

5908
04:39:37,920 --> 04:39:45,910
expenditures 5,000 there.

5909
04:39:45,920 --> 04:39:47,440
» I think it's a donation account.

5910
04:39:47,440 --> 04:39:48,160
>> I just want

5911
04:39:48,160 --> 04:39:49,120
>> That's the donation.

5912
04:39:49,120 --> 04:39:50,560
>> That's what I was asking. I just saw two

5913
04:39:50,560 --> 04:39:53,600
different ones already.

5914
04:39:53,600 --> 04:39:56,400
>> Yeah. Fund 10 is the amount that you

5915
04:39:56,400 --> 04:39:58,480
think local funding is going to need to

5916
04:39:58,480 --> 04:40:01,680
supplant it to make it free for coping.

5917
04:40:01,680 --> 04:40:03,760
This is how much donated and restricted

5918
04:40:03,760 --> 04:40:11,190
funds you

5919
04:40:11,200 --> 04:40:12,320
almost at 110.

5920
04:40:12,320 --> 04:40:12,878
>> 110.

5921
04:40:12,878 --> 04:40:15,440
>> We are 110.

5922
04:40:15,440 --> 04:40:22,788
>> Questions on 110?

5923
04:40:22,798 --> 04:40:23,200
» Good.

5924
04:40:23,200 --> 04:40:26,160
>> Yeah. Okay. All right.

5925
04:40:26,160 --> 04:40:28,560
>> We are in solid weight.

5926
04:40:28,560 --> 04:40:37,990
>> Yes, we are.

5927
04:40:38,000 --> 04:40:40,160
» What is that?

5928
04:40:40,160 --> 04:40:49,670
>> All right. 11 112. Page 112.

5929
04:40:49,680 --> 04:40:51,760
Any questions?

5930
04:40:51,760 --> 04:40:53,360
Pretty

5931
04:40:53,360 --> 04:41:02,390
self-explanatory.

5932
04:41:02,400 --> 04:41:06,390
113

5933
04:41:06,400 --> 04:41:08,240
down here had the groundwater and

5934
04:41:08,240 --> 04:41:12,080
monitoring old and ground monitoring new

5935
04:41:12,080 --> 04:41:15,440
$120,000 went from 40 to 100. Are we

5936
04:41:15,440 --> 04:41:21,040
paying somebody to do that now? Yes, we have been actually we get an updated

5937
04:41:21,040 --> 04:41:25,200
uh review by DEEQ every so often.

5938
04:41:25,200 --> 04:41:28,480
The old landfill is the one farther out

5939
04:41:28,480 --> 04:41:31,040
on Orange Street. The new landfill is

5940
04:41:31,040 --> 04:41:32,798
the one next to the transfer station.

5941
04:41:32,798 --> 04:41:33,520
But

5942
04:41:33,520 --> 04:41:35,840
>> yeah, in the past there was 85,000 split

5943
04:41:35,840 --> 04:41:39,280
out into a different line.

5944
04:41:39,280 --> 04:41:40,320
But uh

5945
04:41:40,320 --> 04:41:43,440
>> on the next page you'll see

5946
04:41:43,440 --> 04:41:47,510
another

5947
04:41:47,520 --> 04:41:49,280
WSB associates are the ones that have

5948
04:41:49,280 --> 04:41:52,080
the contract for monitoring and

5949
04:41:52,080 --> 04:41:55,840
we will be doing that in perpetuity.

5950
04:41:55,840 --> 04:41:58,080
>> Is everything looking okay so far?

5951
04:41:58,080 --> 04:41:59,840
>> Yes. I mean we're

5952
04:41:59,840 --> 04:42:01,920
>> if I can add to that we did send that

5953
04:42:01,920 --> 04:42:02,958
out to bid.

5954
04:42:02,958 --> 04:42:07,440
>> Yes. Okay. get bids onreased

5955
04:42:07,440 --> 04:42:09,040
but they still

5956
04:42:09,040 --> 04:42:10,798
>> and we are in compliance. We get those

5957
04:42:10,798 --> 04:42:12,638
notifications.

5958
04:42:12,638 --> 04:42:13,920
>> That's one of the emails I forward to

5959
04:42:13,920 --> 04:42:15,840
you every now and again from DEQ.

5960
04:42:15,840 --> 04:42:18,160
>> That's amazing how much it cost. It was

5961
04:42:18,160 --> 04:42:20,400
very surprising to me and

5962
04:42:20,400 --> 04:42:22,560
>> we had no choice on that

5963
04:42:22,560 --> 04:42:26,150
>> have to do it.

5964
04:42:26,160 --> 04:42:28,480
We're 114

5965
04:42:28,480 --> 04:42:30,000
questions

5966
04:42:30,000 --> 04:42:34,788
and 115

5967
04:42:34,798 --> 04:42:38,400
» on 114 tires and tubes from 6,000 to

5968
04:42:38,400 --> 04:42:41,510
27,000.

5969
04:42:41,520 --> 04:42:43,600
» I think that was to dispose of what you

5970
04:42:43,600 --> 04:42:44,798
have, right?

5971
04:42:44,798 --> 04:42:46,878
>> Yeah. Um, you know, that that kind of

5972
04:42:46,878 --> 04:42:50,718
goes back some of the issues. Uh, we

5973
04:42:50,718 --> 04:42:56,080
have a rubber tire loader that we use to separate the trash. The tires are

5974
04:42:56,080 --> 04:42:59,840
completely bold. They are $27,000

5975
04:42:59,840 --> 04:43:03,110
a piece.

5976
04:43:03,120 --> 04:43:05,360
» So that's good.

5977
04:43:05,360 --> 04:43:09,200
>> An attempt to move towards that

5978
04:43:09,200 --> 04:43:12,320
unless we move forward with

5979
04:43:12,320 --> 04:43:12,798
>> Yep.

5980
04:43:12,798 --> 04:43:14,798
>> doing something else with it. I don't

5981
04:43:14,798 --> 04:43:17,520
want to, you know,

5982
04:43:17,520 --> 04:43:19,120
then that could possibly

5983
04:43:19,120 --> 04:43:21,840
>> So that can go as part of

5984
04:43:21,840 --> 04:43:23,360
>> we could sell that to whoever would be

5985
04:43:23,360 --> 04:43:24,878
operating.

5986
04:43:24,878 --> 04:43:27,280
could be disposed of.

5987
04:43:27,280 --> 04:43:28,560
>> We just don't know that right now.

5988
04:43:28,560 --> 04:43:29,120
>> Yes.

5989
04:43:29,120 --> 04:43:31,520
>> Yeah.

5990
04:43:31,520 --> 04:43:33,040
>> You know, that would that is a good

5991
04:43:33,040 --> 04:43:36,320
point there in that what amount of

5992
04:43:36,320 --> 04:43:38,958
equipment would we not need?

5993
04:43:38,958 --> 04:43:40,240
>> That that would be it. No, you don't

5994
04:43:40,240 --> 04:43:42,240
have to say it now, but

5995
04:43:42,240 --> 04:43:43,440
>> that would be a good

5996
04:43:43,440 --> 04:43:46,160
>> consider. Yes, consideration. That's why

5997
04:43:46,160 --> 04:43:48,000
I open my statements with that. They're

5998
04:43:48,000 --> 04:43:48,718
just

5999
04:43:48,718 --> 04:43:52,798
>> unknown. Obviously, we we've had uh the

6000
04:43:52,798 --> 04:43:55,280
offer of to purchase all four of the or

6001
04:43:55,280 --> 04:43:57,200
all three of the garbage trucks, the

6002
04:43:57,200 --> 04:44:00,480
rolloff trucks, all the tractors, all

6003
04:44:00,480 --> 04:44:05,280
the uh the se our track semi-tractors

6004
04:44:05,280 --> 04:44:08,718
and trailers uh down. I mean, it was all

6005
04:44:08,718 --> 04:44:11,280
kind of a allincclusive but with the

6006
04:44:11,280 --> 04:44:15,120
right to keep what I deemed I wanted

6007
04:44:15,120 --> 04:44:16,400
>> essential. Yes. Okay.

6008
04:44:16,400 --> 04:44:18,240
>> I mean, we had that in office for that.

6009
04:44:18,240 --> 04:44:19,280
So, uh,

6010
04:44:19,280 --> 04:44:19,520
>> yeah,

6011
04:44:19,520 --> 04:44:21,840
>> that's what I mean. It's really kind of

6012
04:44:21,840 --> 04:44:24,480
>> Yeah,

6013
04:44:24,480 --> 04:44:27,120
>> big expensive like that power load. It's

6014
04:44:27,120 --> 04:44:29,520
a great I did utilize that a lot this

6015
04:44:29,520 --> 04:44:32,080
past in the last snow that we had when

6016
04:44:32,080 --> 04:44:33,760
it all turned to ice.

6017
04:44:33,760 --> 04:44:34,080
>> Yes,

6018
04:44:34,080 --> 04:44:35,760
>> our regular trucks wouldn't even touch

6019
04:44:35,760 --> 04:44:37,120
the ice. Couldn't push it. It just

6020
04:44:37,120 --> 04:44:38,400
bounced right off.

6021
04:44:38,400 --> 04:44:40,958
>> But we did utilize that tractor as best

6022
04:44:40,958 --> 04:44:43,600
we could cuz the tires were not in the

6023
04:44:43,600 --> 04:44:46,240
best shape. So, it was spinning a bit,

6024
04:44:46,240 --> 04:44:48,160
but it was the only

6025
04:44:48,160 --> 04:44:50,560
move any of that ice. So, it's, you

6026
04:44:50,560 --> 04:44:51,840
know, it's a bit of a

6027
04:44:51,840 --> 04:44:54,868
>> Okay.

6028
04:44:54,878 --> 04:44:55,280
» Thank you.

6029
04:44:55,280 --> 04:44:56,400
>> pros and cons.

6030
04:44:56,400 --> 04:44:58,160
>> Yeah.

6031
04:44:58,160 --> 04:45:04,948
>> All right. 115. You good?

6032
04:45:04,958 --> 04:45:08,320
» Well, okay. Got a solid waste pretty

6033
04:45:08,320 --> 04:45:16,390
quick. All right. Electric fund.

6034
04:45:16,400 --> 04:45:21,190
What questions do you have?

6035
04:45:21,200 --> 04:45:22,958
» There's always question questions about

6036
04:45:22,958 --> 04:45:26,638
this, so don't be shy.

6037
04:45:26,638 --> 04:45:27,280
>> 117,

6038
04:45:27,280 --> 04:45:29,760
>> right, John?

6039
04:45:29,760 --> 04:45:30,878
>> Hopefully, this year's a little

6040
04:45:30,878 --> 04:45:32,638
different.

6041
04:45:32,638 --> 04:45:33,440
>> This is just

6042
04:45:33,440 --> 04:45:34,878
>> I think you've answered a lot of them as

6043
04:45:34,878 --> 04:45:37,360
we have gone along.

6044
04:45:37,360 --> 04:45:41,600
I mean, not just today, but in the past.

6045
04:45:41,600 --> 04:45:44,320
So this is for me it was just a a

6046
04:45:44,320 --> 04:45:46,878
curious question that the electricity

6047
04:45:46,878 --> 04:45:49,760
sales on the open market uh it's it's

6048
04:45:49,760 --> 04:45:51,840
showing a reduction. I mean I was just

6049
04:45:51,840 --> 04:45:53,520
curious

6050
04:45:53,520 --> 04:45:56,638
with such high demand outside where why

6051
04:45:56,638 --> 04:45:59,440
how why do we have a reduction?

6052
04:45:59,440 --> 04:46:03,760
>> Well in as we planned last year for this

6053
04:46:03,760 --> 04:46:06,718
um we have we're planning for growth. So

6054
04:46:06,718 --> 04:46:08,480
we're presuming that we'll consume more

6055
04:46:08,480 --> 04:46:12,638
than we are now right now. Um so we

6056
04:46:12,638 --> 04:46:14,878
expect you know that's what we expect

6057
04:46:14,878 --> 04:46:18,480
plus usage has gone up so we're we're

6058
04:46:18,480 --> 04:46:20,560
consuming more. Got

6059
04:46:20,560 --> 04:46:22,320
>> um

6060
04:46:22,320 --> 04:46:23,600
that's makes sense.

6061
04:46:23,600 --> 04:46:26,638
>> U we are going to be a little more

6062
04:46:26,638 --> 04:46:30,080
aggressive in our um short-term

6063
04:46:30,080 --> 04:46:32,000
purchases going forward. So that may

6064
04:46:32,000 --> 04:46:34,798
result in a little bit more sales.

6065
04:46:34,798 --> 04:46:38,320
But um we want to avoid something that

6066
04:46:38,320 --> 04:46:52,470
hap like happened last year.

6067
04:46:52,480 --> 04:47:03,670
What I think

6068
04:47:03,680 --> 04:47:14,310
one light

6069
04:47:14,320 --> 04:47:19,350
120

6070
04:47:19,360 --> 04:47:21,600
So, couple questions on one.

6071
04:47:21,600 --> 04:47:24,868
>> Okay.

6072
04:47:24,878 --> 04:47:28,000
» Bad debt

6073
04:47:28,000 --> 04:47:31,520
>> dispense $50,000 went from an $8,000 to

6074
04:47:31,520 --> 04:47:34,160
50,000. Is that

6075
04:47:34,160 --> 04:47:36,560
>> what is that?

6076
04:47:36,560 --> 04:47:39,360
>> At the bottom page is the page. Yes,

6077
04:47:39,360 --> 04:47:40,160
sir.

6078
04:47:40,160 --> 04:47:42,000
>> Probably.

6079
04:47:42,000 --> 04:47:46,000
Um yeah, we were um

6080
04:47:46,000 --> 04:47:48,480
you know, we got new rules from Richmond

6081
04:47:48,480 --> 04:47:50,080
about what we can do in terms of

6082
04:47:50,080 --> 04:47:51,600
termination,

6083
04:47:51,600 --> 04:47:54,560
but yeah, we were looking back to 25 uh

6084
04:47:54,560 --> 04:47:58,160
on that. Um

6085
04:47:58,160 --> 04:48:01,760
I don't know that 25 was an unusual

6086
04:48:01,760 --> 04:48:03,360
year. I don't know why it was so high.

6087
04:48:03,360 --> 04:48:05,200
Do we have a specific write off? here. I

6088
04:48:05,200 --> 04:48:07,120
know why it was because we had several

6089
04:48:07,120 --> 04:48:08,638
years of write offs that were approved

6090
04:48:08,638 --> 04:48:11,280
by council that we finally processed in

6091
04:48:11,280 --> 04:48:14,240
the system and it was it was a lot of

6092
04:48:14,240 --> 04:48:16,878
them all the way back to 2018.

6093
04:48:16,878 --> 04:48:18,798
>> Okay. So, it will probably come in lower

6094
04:48:18,798 --> 04:48:20,798
than that

6095
04:48:20,798 --> 04:48:23,840
>> when we uh experience it, but we I don't

6096
04:48:23,840 --> 04:48:25,440
know if there's any new rules in the

6097
04:48:25,440 --> 04:48:28,560
shut off uh this year coming up.

6098
04:48:28,560 --> 04:48:29,600
>> I think there was something.

6099
04:48:29,600 --> 04:48:31,520
>> I will tell you that they're significant

6100
04:48:31,520 --> 04:48:33,760
because we can't cut off till 45 days.

6101
04:48:33,760 --> 04:48:36,000
We do have much larger balances at the

6102
04:48:36,000 --> 04:48:37,440
point that we're cutting off,

6103
04:48:37,440 --> 04:48:39,360
>> right?

6104
04:48:39,360 --> 04:48:42,878
>> Okay. And that one was wire fees.

6105
04:48:42,878 --> 04:48:45,520
>> Last time we had a wire fee was in 2023.

6106
04:48:45,520 --> 04:48:48,560
Now we got a wire fee of 500,000.

6107
04:48:48,560 --> 04:48:50,958
>> This is where if you decide to absorb

6108
04:48:50,958 --> 04:48:53,040
credit card fees, we put it in there for

6109
04:48:53,040 --> 04:48:54,638
you. We didn't want to create an account

6110
04:48:54,638 --> 04:48:56,480
until we knew for sure what direction

6111
04:48:56,480 --> 04:49:00,628
council wanted to take.

6112
04:49:00,638 --> 04:49:02,320
I'm hoping that you see that and say,

6113
04:49:02,320 --> 04:49:04,400
"Oh my goodness, we don't want to do

6114
04:49:04,400 --> 04:49:06,958
that."

6115
04:49:06,958 --> 04:49:09,120
>> That's my request.

6116
04:49:09,120 --> 04:49:11,280
>> The good news is the price came in at

6117
04:49:11,280 --> 04:49:13,600
half of what we thought, but still,

6118
04:49:13,600 --> 04:49:16,320
that's a lot. 250,000 would be the true

6119
04:49:16,320 --> 04:49:18,080
cost.

6120
04:49:18,080 --> 04:49:19,600
>> That's a new truck for us.

6121
04:49:19,600 --> 04:49:21,840
>> So, so we would So, basically, we would

6122
04:49:21,840 --> 04:49:23,680
be covering the cost of the credit card

6123
04:49:23,680 --> 04:49:25,280
fees for our customers

6124
04:49:25,280 --> 04:49:27,840
>> if you Yes. So, we decided to do that. I

6125
04:49:27,840 --> 04:49:30,400
estimate that if you have 75% of your

6126
04:49:30,400 --> 04:49:32,480
customers take advantage of the rates I

6127
04:49:32,480 --> 04:49:34,560
was given from the merchant processor

6128
04:49:34,560 --> 04:49:38,480
the talent pay around 250,000 a year

6129
04:49:38,480 --> 04:49:40,958
but on the inverse at what we charge our

6130
04:49:40,958 --> 04:49:43,760
customers if we have 30% utilization

6131
04:49:43,760 --> 04:49:45,440
they are paying out of their pockets

6132
04:49:45,440 --> 04:49:50,160
around 332,000 a year

6133
04:49:50,160 --> 04:49:52,080
>> if if it matters to you to compare to

6134
04:49:52,080 --> 04:49:54,560
another community Salem's doing exactly

6135
04:49:54,560 --> 04:49:56,798
the opposite they had been carrying this

6136
04:49:56,798 --> 04:50:00,160
cost they're moving away from it. So

6137
04:50:00,160 --> 04:50:01,760
different utilities manage different

6138
04:50:01,760 --> 04:50:02,480
ways.

6139
04:50:02,480 --> 04:50:04,000
>> Yeah,

6140
04:50:04,000 --> 04:50:05,840
>> it's it's really a philosophical issue.

6141
04:50:05,840 --> 04:50:08,160
It's a convenience, right?

6142
04:50:08,160 --> 04:50:10,000
>> So that all customers pay for that

6143
04:50:10,000 --> 04:50:11,680
convenience or just the customers that

6144
04:50:11,680 --> 04:50:14,000
take advantage of it. That's what it

6145
04:50:14,000 --> 04:50:17,040
comes down to in my mind. I I would like

6146
04:50:17,040 --> 04:50:19,360
to see us and I know Bart and you talked

6147
04:50:19,360 --> 04:50:22,080
about this is have a drive up window

6148
04:50:22,080 --> 04:50:24,560
someplace around here where folks can

6149
04:50:24,560 --> 04:50:26,798
just drive up and that would be I think

6150
04:50:26,798 --> 04:50:28,798
another convenience but a whole lot less

6151
04:50:28,798 --> 04:50:31,680
than this maybe taking a step like that

6152
04:50:31,680 --> 04:50:34,798
would be in the right direction or uh

6153
04:50:34,798 --> 04:50:37,440
Andrew probably considered this but

6154
04:50:37,440 --> 04:50:40,160
having some of the banks take payments

6155
04:50:40,160 --> 04:50:42,160
you know they already have the drive up

6156
04:50:42,160 --> 04:50:45,120
facility there so I would like to see

6157
04:50:45,120 --> 04:50:48,480
something like that before we go this

6158
04:50:48,480 --> 04:50:51,200
route.

6159
04:50:51,200 --> 04:50:54,480
>> Hey John, on the same page, building the

6160
04:50:54,480 --> 04:50:58,718
ground maintenance 60,000 more goes from

6161
04:50:58,718 --> 04:51:01,920
uh 40 to 100,000.

6162
04:51:01,920 --> 04:51:02,400
>> Let's see.

6163
04:51:02,400 --> 04:51:04,160
>> Building grounds maintenance the

6164
04:51:04,160 --> 04:51:05,920
building that you're in or

6165
04:51:05,920 --> 04:51:08,160
>> No, what that is uh right now we're

6166
04:51:08,160 --> 04:51:10,638
seeing underground maintenance. That's a

6167
04:51:10,638 --> 04:51:12,160
lot of the new underground work that

6168
04:51:12,160 --> 04:51:15,120
we're doing for these new new

6169
04:51:15,120 --> 04:51:17,440
developments. Everything is underground.

6170
04:51:17,440 --> 04:51:19,920
It's going in that account. We do get

6171
04:51:19,920 --> 04:51:21,440
reimbursed.

6172
04:51:21,440 --> 04:51:21,920
>> Okay.

6173
04:51:21,920 --> 04:51:24,718
>> A good percentage of that.

6174
04:51:24,718 --> 04:51:28,868
>> I saw that. I thought it

6175
04:51:28,878 --> 04:51:30,638
» we haven't given direction on that.

6176
04:51:30,638 --> 04:51:32,000
>> The payment is I mean

6177
04:51:32,000 --> 04:51:34,958
>> not yet.

6178
04:51:34,958 --> 04:51:36,638
>> Well, that no that is for

6179
04:51:36,638 --> 04:51:39,040
>> um the replacement out by the hospital.

6180
04:51:39,040 --> 04:51:39,680
What we

6181
04:51:39,680 --> 04:51:41,120
>> have to replace the underground system

6182
04:51:41,120 --> 04:51:41,520
there?

6183
04:51:41,520 --> 04:51:44,240
>> When do we need to get direction on that

6184
04:51:44,240 --> 04:51:46,000
or are we going to discuss that?

6185
04:51:46,000 --> 04:51:47,920
>> Oh, they're paying 159.

6186
04:51:47,920 --> 04:51:48,878
>> Okay. But

6187
04:51:48,878 --> 04:51:51,520
>> is the ancillary discussions in

6188
04:51:51,520 --> 04:51:52,560
>> our thought is

6189
04:51:52,560 --> 04:51:54,240
>> I think we can have that discussion

6190
04:51:54,240 --> 04:51:54,718
right now

6191
04:51:54,718 --> 04:51:58,080
>> work out there is what we put in the

6192
04:51:58,080 --> 04:52:00,080
>> 250 as opposed to 500.

6193
04:52:00,080 --> 04:52:01,040
>> So maybe they should be

6194
04:52:01,040 --> 04:52:03,520
>> so we can lower it down to 250 if we

6195
04:52:03,520 --> 04:52:04,000
continue.

6196
04:52:04,000 --> 04:52:05,600
>> Hey, excuse me folks. We

6197
04:52:05,600 --> 04:52:08,400
>> Hey Ann and John, we need you back here.

6198
04:52:08,400 --> 04:52:10,160
They want to talk about the credit card.

6199
04:52:10,160 --> 04:52:11,360
>> Okay. Sorry.

6200
04:52:11,360 --> 04:52:15,120
>> So, so our question is, do you need an

6201
04:52:15,120 --> 04:52:17,360
answer on that or direction?

6202
04:52:17,360 --> 04:52:19,040
>> Yeah, we need to know which contract to

6203
04:52:19,040 --> 04:52:20,798
sign, which way to go.

6204
04:52:20,798 --> 04:52:23,680
>> Okay. All right. Now, explain the

6205
04:52:23,680 --> 04:52:28,718
options again. Option A and B or what you prefer if you have a

6206
04:52:28,718 --> 04:52:30,480
preference.

6207
04:52:30,480 --> 04:52:33,040
>> It's definitely

6208
04:52:33,040 --> 04:52:34,560
>> there's pros and cons. No matter which

6209
04:52:34,560 --> 04:52:36,160
way you go.

6210
04:52:36,160 --> 04:52:37,520
>> Okay.

6211
04:52:37,520 --> 04:52:39,280
One second. I have a sheet that I kind

6212
04:52:39,280 --> 04:52:39,520
of

6213
04:52:39,520 --> 04:52:41,200
>> I committ to pay cash flow not to pay

6214
04:52:41,200 --> 04:52:41,840
the fee.

6215
04:52:41,840 --> 04:52:46,070
>> That's right.

6216
04:52:46,080 --> 04:52:48,798
» You pay the fee, don't you?

6217
04:52:48,798 --> 04:52:57,830
>> I don't have that much cash.

6218
04:52:57,840 --> 04:52:59,360
» Sorry. that

6219
04:52:59,360 --> 04:53:02,000
>> I will tell you that on my calculation

6220
04:53:02,000 --> 04:53:06,160
that if you choose to absorb fees, Visa,

6221
04:53:06,160 --> 04:53:09,360
Mastercard, and Discover will offer you

6222
04:53:09,360 --> 04:53:12,080
a low rate that they don't offer unless

6223
04:53:12,080 --> 04:53:14,000
you choose to absorb it. And so that

6224
04:53:14,000 --> 04:53:16,400
rate is normally around 95 cents a

6225
04:53:16,400 --> 04:53:19,360
swipe. If you choose to pass fees on to

6226
04:53:19,360 --> 04:53:21,840
a customer, it's normally around 1% of

6227
04:53:21,840 --> 04:53:25,520
the transaction charge or 1 to 2% of the

6228
04:53:25,520 --> 04:53:28,480
swipe. So if you start having very large

6229
04:53:28,480 --> 04:53:30,560
electric bills like our largest customer

6230
04:53:30,560 --> 04:53:33,360
where their bill may be $90,000 a month

6231
04:53:33,360 --> 04:53:36,240
and you're now charging $3.95% to them,

6232
04:53:36,240 --> 04:53:38,638
it's a very large fee.

6233
04:53:38,638 --> 04:53:42,160
So there it's pros and cons. So our rate

6234
04:53:42,160 --> 04:53:45,360
today would be 3.95% that the customer

6235
04:53:45,360 --> 04:53:48,240
would have to pay when they come in to

6236
04:53:48,240 --> 04:53:50,878
swipe their card. We don't pay anything.

6237
04:53:50,878 --> 04:53:53,280
they pay that fee, but for them it could

6238
04:53:53,280 --> 04:53:55,280
be thousands of dollars that they're

6239
04:53:55,280 --> 04:53:57,760
paying of fees. Now, conversely, if we

6240
04:53:57,760 --> 04:54:00,080
choose absorb fees, then we would be

6241
04:54:00,080 --> 04:54:03,360
paying half a percent of the charge to

6242
04:54:03,360 --> 04:54:05,200
our merchant processor and we'd be

6243
04:54:05,200 --> 04:54:09,280
paying a 95 cent swipe fee and then we'd

6244
04:54:09,280 --> 04:54:11,520
be paying an assessment fee of around

6245
04:54:11,520 --> 04:54:14,160
0.0017%

6246
04:54:14,160 --> 04:54:17,280
per month. So, I estimate in total if

6247
04:54:17,280 --> 04:54:20,080
you had 75% of your customers take

6248
04:54:20,080 --> 04:54:23,040
advantage of us paying the credit card

6249
04:54:23,040 --> 04:54:26,160
fees, it would be around 250,000 a year

6250
04:54:26,160 --> 04:54:28,400
that the town would pay out of our

6251
04:54:28,400 --> 04:54:30,878
pockets. Now, if you say, "No, we don't

6252
04:54:30,878 --> 04:54:32,160
want to do that. We want to pass the

6253
04:54:32,160 --> 04:54:34,718
fees on to customers." I did a quick

6254
04:54:34,718 --> 04:54:37,680
estimate where if you had around 30% of

6255
04:54:37,680 --> 04:54:39,760
your customers pay by credit card and

6256
04:54:39,760 --> 04:54:42,878
they pay the 3.95% fee, they're paying

6257
04:54:42,878 --> 04:54:44,958
around $332,000

6258
04:54:44,958 --> 04:54:46,638
out of their pockets

6259
04:54:46,638 --> 04:54:48,480
>> if they do it each month.

6260
04:54:48,480 --> 04:54:49,440
>> Correct.

6261
04:54:49,440 --> 04:54:51,360
>> Because I know a lot of places now

6262
04:54:51,360 --> 04:54:54,638
charge like 3%

6263
04:54:54,638 --> 04:54:56,878
>> for using a credit card.

6264
04:54:56,878 --> 04:54:58,080
>> That's right. I mean, a lot of

6265
04:54:58,080 --> 04:55:00,000
restaurants,

6266
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:02,878
but but still that's not when you only

6267
04:55:02,878 --> 04:55:05,520
have like 112 bill, it's not a lot, but

6268
04:55:05,520 --> 04:55:07,760
we're talking electric bills,

6269
04:55:07,760 --> 04:55:08,638
>> right?

6270
04:55:08,638 --> 04:55:10,718
>> So, it kind of goes back to my original

6271
04:55:10,718 --> 04:55:12,878
question.

6272
04:55:12,878 --> 04:55:16,000
Okay. But

6273
04:55:16,000 --> 04:55:19,440
if I'm out of state, another state, and

6274
04:55:19,440 --> 04:55:22,958
I realize my electric bill is due, I can

6275
04:55:22,958 --> 04:55:26,240
call you all and say, I want to pay my

6276
04:55:26,240 --> 04:55:28,320
electric bill by credit card, but I'll

6277
04:55:28,320 --> 04:55:30,798
pay 3.9%.

6278
04:55:30,798 --> 04:55:31,600
>> Correct?

6279
04:55:31,600 --> 04:55:34,160
>> Which which at that point in time, as I

6280
04:55:34,160 --> 04:55:36,160
said earlier, that's a lot cheaper than

6281
04:55:36,160 --> 04:55:40,480
a disconnect or reconnect. Yeah. So, I

6282
04:55:40,480 --> 04:55:43,360
would do that. So, can I do that now?

6283
04:55:43,360 --> 04:55:47,200
Right now, we have a $4.95

6284
04:55:47,200 --> 04:55:49,200
charge. So, it doesn't matter how much

6285
04:55:49,200 --> 04:55:52,400
your bill is, it's capped at $4.95.

6286
04:55:52,400 --> 04:55:54,638
However, you can only do a $1,000

6287
04:55:54,638 --> 04:55:57,360
payment transaction. So, if you have a

6288
04:55:57,360 --> 04:56:00,240
$90,000 bill, you're making 90 payments

6289
04:56:00,240 --> 04:56:01,280
on our system.

6290
04:56:01,280 --> 04:56:02,400
>> Kind for weaving

6291
04:56:02,400 --> 04:56:04,560
>> and you're paying $4.95 a piece. Cannot

6292
04:56:04,560 --> 04:56:05,760
confirm more demand.

6293
04:56:05,760 --> 04:56:08,080
>> Yes. Okay. Well, okay. What do you

6294
04:56:08,080 --> 04:56:08,718
think?

6295
04:56:08,718 --> 04:56:10,798
>> Can I just add a little bit about about

6296
04:56:10,798 --> 04:56:13,040
the large customer? The reason why

6297
04:56:13,040 --> 04:56:14,718
they're doing that because they get 2%

6298
04:56:14,718 --> 04:56:16,160
back on their

6299
04:56:16,160 --> 04:56:18,240
>> So it's it's an economic question for

6300
04:56:18,240 --> 04:56:20,320
them. Do they want to get the 2% back or

6301
04:56:20,320 --> 04:56:21,360
they want to pay the fee?

6302
04:56:21,360 --> 04:56:22,000
>> Yeah.

6303
04:56:22,000 --> 04:56:24,560
>> So for us to pick that up, I don't think

6304
04:56:24,560 --> 04:56:26,878
that's legitimate myself.

6305
04:56:26,878 --> 04:56:28,958
>> You know, they can still make that

6306
04:56:28,958 --> 04:56:30,320
decision.

6307
04:56:30,320 --> 04:56:34,000
>> I mean, I I'm just voicing my thoughts.

6308
04:56:34,000 --> 04:56:36,560
I would pay that, but but I'm not going

6309
04:56:36,560 --> 04:56:40,000
to do it every month. So, in a situation

6310
04:56:40,000 --> 04:56:42,718
where, as I just described, I would do

6311
04:56:42,718 --> 04:56:44,638
that for one month, but normally I'm

6312
04:56:44,638 --> 04:56:46,560
kind of like Con, I'm going to pay mine

6313
04:56:46,560 --> 04:56:49,600
each month by by check or he he's got

6314
04:56:49,600 --> 04:56:51,520
the cash, put the

6315
04:56:51,520 --> 04:56:54,080
>> I just go get it, pay.

6316
04:56:54,080 --> 04:56:56,000
>> There are pros and cons. I think if you

6317
04:56:56,000 --> 04:56:58,160
absorb fees, more people are willing to

6318
04:56:58,160 --> 04:57:00,000
pay it by credit card, and you probably

6319
04:57:00,000 --> 04:57:02,240
get our collections faster. There's

6320
04:57:02,240 --> 04:57:03,840
probably reduces the amount of

6321
04:57:03,840 --> 04:57:05,520
disconnects because you have more people

6322
04:57:05,520 --> 04:57:07,680
willing to put it on credit. There are

6323
04:57:07,680 --> 04:57:09,600
some pros to collections on credit

6324
04:57:09,600 --> 04:57:12,400
cards, but like John said, that's a

6325
04:57:12,400 --> 04:57:13,760
significant amount of money that you're

6326
04:57:13,760 --> 04:57:15,600
paying at fees. So, you have to weigh

6327
04:57:15,600 --> 04:57:16,878
the two

6328
04:57:16,878 --> 04:57:18,400
>> and which way you want to go.

6329
04:57:18,400 --> 04:57:20,718
>> So, the current system's going away

6330
04:57:20,718 --> 04:57:21,280
then.

6331
04:57:21,280 --> 04:57:22,560
>> Yeah. We're not going to be able to keep

6332
04:57:22,560 --> 04:57:25,440
the 495. Yeah.

6333
04:57:25,440 --> 04:57:26,718
>> It's been great for a while.

6334
04:57:26,718 --> 04:57:27,760
>> I know.

6335
04:57:27,760 --> 04:57:28,958
>> Okay. Absolutely.

6336
04:57:28,958 --> 04:57:31,680
>> I've been in the the credit card market

6337
04:57:31,680 --> 04:57:33,120
and just looking at the different

6338
04:57:33,120 --> 04:57:34,878
benefits and stuff that, you know,

6339
04:57:34,878 --> 04:57:37,920
certain companies have and there's a lot

6340
04:57:37,920 --> 04:57:39,840
of them out there that will give you

6341
04:57:39,840 --> 04:57:42,718
rewards or cash back kind of thing, you

6342
04:57:42,718 --> 04:57:47,360
know, for for and and utilities is a is a recognized, you know, payment

6343
04:57:47,360 --> 04:57:48,718
kind of thing.

6344
04:57:48,718 --> 04:57:52,400
um you know

6345
04:57:52,400 --> 04:57:54,798
so yeah it's you know our our large

6346
04:57:54,798 --> 04:57:57,280
customer he's going to be getting

6347
04:57:57,280 --> 04:57:59,120
>> yeah he's paid from us and then paid

6348
04:57:59,120 --> 04:58:00,000
from somebody else

6349
04:58:00,000 --> 04:58:03,520
>> there there's reasons for it to happen

6350
04:58:03,520 --> 04:58:04,958
>> I mean this would be more work for you

6351
04:58:04,958 --> 04:58:07,200
guys I know but I mean is there would

6352
04:58:07,200 --> 04:58:10,160
there be a way that the town absorbs it

6353
04:58:10,160 --> 04:58:13,600
but then we pass 2% or whatever on to

6354
04:58:13,600 --> 04:58:16,240
>> they won't allow us to do that the

6355
04:58:16,240 --> 04:58:18,400
credit card companies rule on It is you

6356
04:58:18,400 --> 04:58:21,600
only get this disc discounted swipe rate

6357
04:58:21,600 --> 04:58:24,638
if you decide to absorb the if you pass

6358
04:58:24,638 --> 04:58:26,798
anything on to your customer then you

6359
04:58:26,798 --> 04:58:28,400
get the full rate.

6360
04:58:28,400 --> 04:58:30,480
>> Well, we would indirectly pass it along

6361
04:58:30,480 --> 04:58:32,958
because this is socializing the cost. So

6362
04:58:32,958 --> 04:58:35,920
everybody would pay it through rates. So

6363
04:58:35,920 --> 04:58:37,840
somehow we do a rate study. This will be

6364
04:58:37,840 --> 04:58:39,920
figured into the rate study and then

6365
04:58:39,920 --> 04:58:41,920
everybody even though you don't use it,

6366
04:58:41,920 --> 04:58:43,120
you're going to be paying for it.

6367
04:58:43,120 --> 04:58:50,230
>> Yeah, I'll pay it but you got you guys will get the benefit.

6368
04:58:50,240 --> 04:58:52,718
That's true. But you can't get that rate

6369
04:58:52,718 --> 04:58:54,718
unless you choose to absorb it. So, it's

6370
04:58:54,718 --> 04:58:57,600
one of those all or nothing decisions.

6371
04:58:57,600 --> 04:58:59,520
>> I just think it's a lot of money.

6372
04:58:59,520 --> 04:59:00,958
>> I'm thinking the same thing. Plus, we

6373
04:59:00,958 --> 04:59:02,958
don't really know how many would do

6374
04:59:02,958 --> 04:59:04,798
that, do we? I mean,

6375
04:59:04,798 --> 04:59:07,680
>> yeah. This is based on assuming 75%

6376
04:59:07,680 --> 04:59:11,200
usage. So, if you only had 50% and that

6377
04:59:11,200 --> 04:59:13,120
drops significantly, the cost would only

6378
04:59:13,120 --> 04:59:14,878
be like 50.

6379
04:59:14,878 --> 04:59:17,120
>> You're still paying money. the town is.

6380
04:59:17,120 --> 04:59:18,958
>> Yeah.

6381
04:59:18,958 --> 04:59:21,040
I sw

6382
04:59:21,040 --> 04:59:23,520
>> the other thing as Bart pointed out,

6383
04:59:23,520 --> 04:59:25,520
Salem, who we often compare ourselves

6384
04:59:25,520 --> 04:59:28,560
to, is is currently absorbing the fees,

6385
04:59:28,560 --> 04:59:30,400
but in their next budget there, they

6386
04:59:30,400 --> 04:59:32,400
won't be because it just got to be too

6387
04:59:32,400 --> 04:59:33,440
big of a number.

6388
04:59:33,440 --> 04:59:35,680
>> Yeah.

6389
04:59:35,680 --> 04:59:38,798
>> So, I I'm advocating that we don't go

6390
04:59:38,798 --> 04:59:42,160
down that road.

6391
04:59:42,160 --> 04:59:43,040
>> I'm thinking

6392
04:59:43,040 --> 04:59:45,040
>> I'm okay either way. I will say it would

6393
04:59:45,040 --> 04:59:47,440
make collections a lot easier. It's

6394
04:59:47,440 --> 04:59:49,120
going to be very difficult to convince

6395
04:59:49,120 --> 04:59:51,920
people to pay with a 3.95% fee and we

6396
04:59:51,920 --> 04:59:53,760
will get a lot of complaints from our

6397
04:59:53,760 --> 04:59:55,760
customers on paying the fee, but we're

6398
04:59:55,760 --> 05:00:01,910
happy to do whatever we need to do.

6399
05:00:01,920 --> 05:00:04,560
» Well, I mean, it's it's up to the I

6400
05:00:04,560 --> 05:00:05,840
think it ends up being up to the

6401
05:00:05,840 --> 05:00:07,120
individual they want to pay by credit

6402
05:00:07,120 --> 05:00:08,878
card or not. So,

6403
05:00:08,878 --> 05:00:12,400
>> what's the fee for the AC

6404
05:00:12,400 --> 05:00:14,320
thing? If you do it through our online

6405
05:00:14,320 --> 05:00:17,040
platform, it'll be a $1.50 per e check.

6406
05:00:17,040 --> 05:00:18,638
And if you do it through us, there's no

6407
05:00:18,638 --> 05:00:22,708
charge.

6408
05:00:22,718 --> 05:00:23,600
» So there's

6409
05:00:23,600 --> 05:00:26,000
>> So you could do a check right through.

6410
05:00:26,000 --> 05:00:27,600
No charge right through.

6411
05:00:27,600 --> 05:00:30,400
>> That's right. Now, is there fees

6412
05:00:30,400 --> 05:00:32,480
associated with that that we pay? Yes,

6413
05:00:32,480 --> 05:00:35,040
absolutely. But right now, we're eating

6414
05:00:35,040 --> 05:00:37,440
those fees

6415
05:00:37,440 --> 05:00:40,560
>> in addition to what we'd be doing if we

6416
05:00:40,560 --> 05:00:43,120
opt for the 500. Correct. But we are

6417
05:00:43,120 --> 05:00:44,878
eating those today. It's just included

6418
05:00:44,878 --> 05:00:47,680
in our banking fees that we have

6419
05:00:47,680 --> 05:00:49,600
compens. It's very complicated, but

6420
05:00:49,600 --> 05:00:51,040
essentially we have a compensated

6421
05:00:51,040 --> 05:00:53,440
balance that we maintain with our bank

6422
05:00:53,440 --> 05:00:55,360
and we earn interest on that balance.

6423
05:00:55,360 --> 05:00:57,280
And then we get charges for each check

6424
05:00:57,280 --> 05:00:59,600
that we write, everything that the AC

6425
05:00:59,600 --> 05:01:02,240
that we process and if we have enough

6426
05:01:02,240 --> 05:01:03,840
money in our checking account, we don't

6427
05:01:03,840 --> 05:01:05,920
get a fee for those things. So we have

6428
05:01:05,920 --> 05:01:07,440
to balance that every month to make sure

6429
05:01:07,440 --> 05:01:09,040
we have enough money in the thing to not

6430
05:01:09,040 --> 05:01:11,520
get charged a fee for services. So yes,

6431
05:01:11,520 --> 05:01:13,840
we do get charged for the AC program

6432
05:01:13,840 --> 05:01:16,000
that we do from our bank, but we keep

6433
05:01:16,000 --> 05:01:18,560
enough cash on hand to not take it.

6434
05:01:18,560 --> 05:01:20,958
>> Yeah, but the customer doesn't have to

6435
05:01:20,958 --> 05:01:23,520
pay anything for

6436
05:01:23,520 --> 05:01:25,200
>> but as a town we do,

6437
05:01:25,200 --> 05:01:25,600
>> right?

6438
05:01:25,600 --> 05:01:27,120
>> We have a cost.

6439
05:01:27,120 --> 05:01:28,638
>> Um,

6440
05:01:28,638 --> 05:01:33,040
I'd kind of like to go with the 250 and

6441
05:01:33,040 --> 05:01:35,360
just use that maybe something that the

6442
05:01:35,360 --> 05:01:37,520
town can promote. You know, yeah, we

6443
05:01:37,520 --> 05:01:41,520
have these fees associated. However, you

6444
05:01:41,520 --> 05:01:44,480
can avoid those if you use the town of

6445
05:01:44,480 --> 05:01:47,760
Beverage platform for for payment

6446
05:01:47,760 --> 05:01:49,760
and that'll keep your your balances up

6447
05:01:49,760 --> 05:01:54,788
and

6448
05:01:54,798 --> 05:01:58,320
but on the flip side of that,

6449
05:01:58,320 --> 05:02:01,920
you're saying pass the 3.9%

6450
05:02:01,920 --> 05:02:05,360
to the customer and then

6451
05:02:05,360 --> 05:02:07,360
what do we pay then? Anything?

6452
05:02:07,360 --> 05:02:09,360
>> We don't pay anything, but I'm

6453
05:02:09,360 --> 05:02:11,120
estimating that our customers are paying

6454
05:02:11,120 --> 05:02:14,320
out of their pocket around 344,000 or

6455
05:02:14,320 --> 05:02:17,120
that's what they will pay. If we had 30%

6456
05:02:17,120 --> 05:02:21,030
usage,

6457
05:02:21,040 --> 05:02:22,160
» that's all total customer.

6458
05:02:22,160 --> 05:02:24,480
>> That's 75% if they do that.

6459
05:02:24,480 --> 05:02:26,638
>> That's only 30. I'm only assuming if we

6460
05:02:26,638 --> 05:02:28,958
pass the fee on only 30% of our

6461
05:02:28,958 --> 05:02:31,360
customers will likely use the service.

6462
05:02:31,360 --> 05:02:35,520
So they will pay collectively 344,000

6463
05:02:35,520 --> 05:02:36,878
in fees

6464
05:02:36,878 --> 05:02:41,190
>> if they do it each month.

6465
05:02:41,200 --> 05:02:43,680
So we're subsidizing if I wanted to do

6466
05:02:43,680 --> 05:02:45,600
that's that's

6467
05:02:45,600 --> 05:02:47,760
>> so the other way we're subsidizing them

6468
05:02:47,760 --> 05:02:49,040
using the credit card.

6469
05:02:49,040 --> 05:02:49,680
>> Yeah. Yeah.

6470
05:02:49,680 --> 05:02:50,160
>> Right.

6471
05:02:50,160 --> 05:02:52,560
>> Or we're paying for them.

6472
05:02:52,560 --> 05:02:52,958
>> Yeah.

6473
05:02:52,958 --> 05:02:56,638
>> Yes. You would be paying around $224,000

6474
05:02:56,638 --> 05:02:59,600
for 75% of your customers to use their

6475
05:02:59,600 --> 05:03:03,040
card versus assigning the fees out. It

6476
05:03:03,040 --> 05:03:05,360
would be 30% usage and they would pay

6477
05:03:05,360 --> 05:03:08,798
around 344,000 out of their pocket.

6478
05:03:08,798 --> 05:03:12,000
And then the question is, is it worth

6479
05:03:12,000 --> 05:03:13,760
$250,000

6480
05:03:13,760 --> 05:03:15,760
for that convenience of us collecting

6481
05:03:15,760 --> 05:03:16,080
more

6482
05:03:16,080 --> 05:03:17,440
>> for 30%.

6483
05:03:17,440 --> 05:03:19,200
>> Collecting? Yeah. Can we're collecting

6484
05:03:19,200 --> 05:03:22,798
Well, 35 40% I would say. You said 30%

6485
05:03:22,798 --> 05:03:25,520
pay with credit card. If we don't do it,

6486
05:03:25,520 --> 05:03:27,360
if we do it, you're you're estimating

6487
05:03:27,360 --> 05:03:30,560
could be up to 75%. So, we're paying

6488
05:03:30,560 --> 05:03:34,878
we're we're paying um $250,000 for 40%

6489
05:03:34,878 --> 05:03:37,040
of the customer to use the system.

6490
05:03:37,040 --> 05:03:41,430
>> Yeah.

6491
05:03:41,440 --> 05:03:42,240
No, keep it keep

6492
05:03:42,240 --> 05:03:44,400
>> So 60% of the customers are paying for

6493
05:03:44,400 --> 05:03:45,520
that 40%.

6494
05:03:45,520 --> 05:03:46,958
>> Yes, that that's it.

6495
05:03:46,958 --> 05:03:50,638
>> So I'm like what we talked about just

6496
05:03:50,638 --> 05:03:54,638
>> well the assumption on 75% is 75% of

6497
05:03:54,638 --> 05:03:57,040
your customers would be using the credit

6498
05:03:57,040 --> 05:03:59,600
card and that's where the 224 comes

6499
05:03:59,600 --> 05:04:00,320
from.

6500
05:04:00,320 --> 05:04:02,560
>> Yeah. And that's but if they don't then

6501
05:04:02,560 --> 05:04:04,718
it' be 30% using a credit card. That's

6502
05:04:04,718 --> 05:04:06,240
where I'm coming up with that percentage

6503
05:04:06,240 --> 05:04:10,400
of about 40%. So we're paying Yeah. 60%

6504
05:04:10,400 --> 05:04:12,878
of the customers are paying for 40% to

6505
05:04:12,878 --> 05:04:13,680
use it.

6506
05:04:13,680 --> 05:04:16,958
>> Well, I will say if 40 So if usage goes

6507
05:04:16,958 --> 05:04:18,798
down, the fee goes down.

6508
05:04:18,798 --> 05:04:19,680
>> Yeah.

6509
05:04:19,680 --> 05:04:21,680
>> If you only have if you if I estimate

6510
05:04:21,680 --> 05:04:24,400
75, that's kind of a very high usage

6511
05:04:24,400 --> 05:04:26,080
percentage. It's probably going to be

6512
05:04:26,080 --> 05:04:32,390
less. So your fees drop. It's a periph.

6513
05:04:32,400 --> 05:04:35,440
that it's likely if you had like if I

6514
05:04:35,440 --> 05:04:37,360
changed the number to 50% you would see

6515
05:04:37,360 --> 05:04:43,910
that go down significantly.

6516
05:04:43,920 --> 05:04:48,160
» So which which system is advantageous to

6517
05:04:48,160 --> 05:04:50,400
the

6518
05:04:50,400 --> 05:04:52,000
>> depends on your end goal

6519
05:04:52,000 --> 05:04:55,280
>> depends on if you want to collect more

6520
05:04:55,280 --> 05:04:58,320
or if you want to not have the funds in

6521
05:04:58,320 --> 05:04:58,878
the bank.

6522
05:04:58,878 --> 05:05:00,240
>> Yes.

6523
05:05:00,240 --> 05:05:02,160
>> Yeah. Well, keep in mind that we're

6524
05:05:02,160 --> 05:05:05,200
collecting 99% of our

6525
05:05:05,200 --> 05:05:07,920
>> revenue anyway. We have very low

6526
05:05:07,920 --> 05:05:10,638
uncollectibles. So, it's not going to

6527
05:05:10,638 --> 05:05:12,718
benefit us there. It's strictly a

6528
05:05:12,718 --> 05:05:13,760
convenience.

6529
05:05:13,760 --> 05:05:15,440
>> So, I would suggest the first thing we

6530
05:05:15,440 --> 05:05:17,920
do is give them a drive up window where

6531
05:05:17,920 --> 05:05:19,600
they can pay. That's more convenient.

6532
05:05:19,600 --> 05:05:22,400
Drive up, bang, you're gone. And then,

6533
05:05:22,400 --> 05:05:24,878
>> but there is costs associated with that.

6534
05:05:24,878 --> 05:05:27,120
Like, you need to remodel or you'd have

6535
05:05:27,120 --> 05:05:29,760
to pay the banks a collection fee.

6536
05:05:29,760 --> 05:05:31,120
>> Okay. Well, let's look at that. Let's

6537
05:05:31,120 --> 05:05:33,040
see what it is. But I think a drive up

6538
05:05:33,040 --> 05:05:36,240
window someplace, some arrangement

6539
05:05:36,240 --> 05:05:39,520
for convenience makes sense. I mean, you

6540
05:05:39,520 --> 05:05:42,718
can pay your AppCo bill where at CVS or

6541
05:05:42,718 --> 05:05:45,360
I know Southside you can pay at CVS. So,

6542
05:05:45,360 --> 05:05:46,560
I don't know what Appco does.

6543
05:05:46,560 --> 05:05:49,840
>> No, just to me it's economics. I mean,

6544
05:05:49,840 --> 05:05:52,718
you you end up I mean, we throughout

6545
05:05:52,718 --> 05:05:54,400
this whole meeting, we've been talking

6546
05:05:54,400 --> 05:05:58,000
about uh hemorrhaging money, and now

6547
05:05:58,000 --> 05:05:59,520
we're going to make a decision to

6548
05:05:59,520 --> 05:06:00,718
hemorrhage more money.

6549
05:06:00,718 --> 05:06:02,638
>> That's right. That's right. That's

6550
05:06:02,638 --> 05:06:04,958
right.

6551
05:06:04,958 --> 05:06:08,958
>> If that said, the best option is

6552
05:06:08,958 --> 05:06:11,360
>> cut.

6553
05:06:11,360 --> 05:06:17,110
>> Yeah. Couldn't have,

6554
05:06:17,120 --> 05:06:17,840
» right?

6555
05:06:17,840 --> 05:06:20,000
>> Yeah.

6556
05:06:20,000 --> 05:06:22,400
Well, you just never get the complaints.

6557
05:06:22,400 --> 05:06:24,958
>> But yes, we're not. Our largest customer

6558
05:06:24,958 --> 05:06:27,680
is going to be very, very unhappy

6559
05:06:27,680 --> 05:06:29,520
>> other than that.

6560
05:06:29,520 --> 05:06:32,320
>> And how many of those do we have? M

6561
05:06:32,320 --> 05:06:34,958
mainly one. So, and we don't need to go

6562
05:06:34,958 --> 05:06:36,400
there.

6563
05:06:36,400 --> 05:06:40,560
>> But but is that I mean with that if I

6564
05:06:40,560 --> 05:06:43,120
want to use my credit card, it I'm

6565
05:06:43,120 --> 05:06:46,560
paying it. That's my decision.

6566
05:06:46,560 --> 05:06:49,120
>> Yeah. And like let's say a bill like an

6567
05:06:49,120 --> 05:06:51,200
average bill or it could be in the

6568
05:06:51,200 --> 05:06:54,718
winter. Let's say you have a $330 bill

6569
05:06:54,718 --> 05:06:56,480
>> and you have to pay convenience fee of

6570
05:06:56,480 --> 05:06:59,760
3.95% you'd be paying $13 convenience

6571
05:06:59,760 --> 05:07:01,440
fee.

6572
05:07:01,440 --> 05:07:04,400
>> I think uh I know Appalachin or yeah

6573
05:07:04,400 --> 05:07:06,240
Appalachin's been doing it for years

6574
05:07:06,240 --> 05:07:08,798
because I know in my son's early days of

6575
05:07:08,798 --> 05:07:10,878
marriage I paid his bill a couple times

6576
05:07:10,878 --> 05:07:13,440
online and I think they charged like

6577
05:07:13,440 --> 05:07:18,560
five or 7%. it was a lot more. Uh so

6578
05:07:18,560 --> 05:07:21,840
yeah, but

6579
05:07:21,840 --> 05:07:23,760
they're they're there and we're here.

6580
05:07:23,760 --> 05:07:25,200
But but yeah, I think something like

6581
05:07:25,200 --> 05:07:28,160
that is more up to the individual. If

6582
05:07:28,160 --> 05:07:29,680
you want to use a credit card for that,

6583
05:07:29,680 --> 05:07:33,360
then so be it. But we should not have to

6584
05:07:33,360 --> 05:07:37,600
encumber any of the expenses or I mean,

6585
05:07:37,600 --> 05:07:41,750
y'all speak up here.

6586
05:07:41,760 --> 05:07:43,760
» What What are you saying?

6587
05:07:43,760 --> 05:07:49,430
>> You You're over there. You you're

6588
05:07:49,440 --> 05:07:50,878
» if you want to pay by credit card,

6589
05:07:50,878 --> 05:07:51,920
that's your decision.

6590
05:07:51,920 --> 05:07:52,878
>> That's that's what I'm saying.

6591
05:07:52,878 --> 05:07:55,200
>> I pay cash. A lot of times when I go on

6592
05:07:55,200 --> 05:07:57,280
vacation, I will pay cash.

6593
05:07:57,280 --> 05:07:59,040
>> Well, that's because I don't want to pay

6594
05:07:59,040 --> 05:07:59,600
that fee.

6595
05:07:59,600 --> 05:08:01,680
>> Well, I'm saying you're a man of that

6596
05:08:01,680 --> 05:08:07,510
means I have to use

6597
05:08:07,520 --> 05:08:08,958
later.

6598
05:08:08,958 --> 05:08:10,718
>> And if the m if the matter is the

6599
05:08:10,718 --> 05:08:12,560
drive-through box idea, we're going to

6600
05:08:12,560 --> 05:08:15,040
do it. just takes changing the oneway

6601
05:08:15,040 --> 05:08:17,520
traffic going that way to that way so

6602
05:08:17,520 --> 05:08:18,798
it's on the driver's side.

6603
05:08:18,798 --> 05:08:19,360
>> So

6604
05:08:19,360 --> 05:08:21,120
>> we'll do that eventually whether it's in

6605
05:08:21,120 --> 05:08:22,798
conjunction with the renovations or we

6606
05:08:22,798 --> 05:08:25,120
go ahead and do it just

6607
05:08:25,120 --> 05:08:26,798
>> switch some parking and put and switch

6608
05:08:26,798 --> 05:08:28,000
the oneway signs. But

6609
05:08:28,000 --> 05:08:29,520
>> yeah

6610
05:08:29,520 --> 05:08:30,878
talking about

6611
05:08:30,878 --> 05:08:33,200
>> well not necessarily. It could just be

6612
05:08:33,200 --> 05:08:35,200
like a a mailbox and just drop it in a

6613
05:08:35,200 --> 05:08:35,520
box.

6614
05:08:35,520 --> 05:08:36,480
>> Mainly people just don't want to get out

6615
05:08:36,480 --> 05:08:37,040
of the car.

6616
05:08:37,040 --> 05:08:37,840
>> That's right.

6617
05:08:37,840 --> 05:08:38,240
>> Yeah.

6618
05:08:38,240 --> 05:08:38,878
>> You don't have a car.

6619
05:08:38,878 --> 05:08:40,320
>> It's easily done but it's a little

6620
05:08:40,320 --> 05:08:41,920
complicated. That's all. Does that give

6621
05:08:41,920 --> 05:08:42,958
you direction?

6622
05:08:42,958 --> 05:08:43,760
>> Yes.

6623
05:08:43,760 --> 05:08:46,000
>> Are we okay with that?

6624
05:08:46,000 --> 05:08:47,520
>> 250.

6625
05:08:47,520 --> 05:08:50,080
>> So, they will have a 3.95%

6626
05:08:50,080 --> 05:08:54,320
fee and a $2.50 minimum

6627
05:08:54,320 --> 05:08:56,080
>> and there won't be any there won't be

6628
05:08:56,080 --> 05:08:56,878
any cost.

6629
05:08:56,878 --> 05:08:57,920
>> No cost to the town.

6630
05:08:57,920 --> 05:08:59,760
>> Good. So, it's

6631
05:08:59,760 --> 05:09:02,878
>> cut completely

6632
05:09:02,878 --> 05:09:05,760
>> good. Yeah. Okay. All right. Where are

6633
05:09:05,760 --> 05:09:08,080
we? 13.

6634
05:09:08,080 --> 05:09:15,590
121.

6635
05:09:15,600 --> 05:09:24,708
122

6636
05:09:24,718 --> 05:09:26,320
» one.

6637
05:09:26,320 --> 05:09:29,280
Don't stop me if I'm going too fast.

6638
05:09:29,280 --> 05:09:30,958
123 24

6639
05:09:30,958 --> 05:09:34,080
>> one clarification. The $500,000 that was

6640
05:09:34,080 --> 05:09:36,160
budgeted. Where would council like to

6641
05:09:36,160 --> 05:09:39,280
move that?

6642
05:09:39,280 --> 05:09:41,600
You you could use that to offset some of

6643
05:09:41,600 --> 05:09:43,760
the

6644
05:09:43,760 --> 05:09:46,240
undercolction for

6645
05:09:46,240 --> 05:09:48,160
the um PCA.

6646
05:09:48,160 --> 05:09:50,400
>> I like that idea.

6647
05:09:50,400 --> 05:09:52,160
>> Is that the benefits of the customers?

6648
05:09:52,160 --> 05:09:54,000
>> We could use that to offset some of the

6649
05:09:54,000 --> 05:09:56,718
underolction from the PCA.

6650
05:09:56,718 --> 05:09:58,080
>> Oh, okay.

6651
05:09:58,080 --> 05:10:00,160
>> So, wait. So, you're wanting us to

6652
05:10:00,160 --> 05:10:03,360
subsidize the cost of the PCA. Again,

6653
05:10:03,360 --> 05:10:06,000
>> I'm wanting you to generously offset

6654
05:10:06,000 --> 05:10:10,150
some of the cost for your customers.

6655
05:10:10,160 --> 05:10:12,878
Yes to both.

6656
05:10:12,878 --> 05:10:14,400
>> So we're back to the same. Yeah.

6657
05:10:14,400 --> 05:10:16,878
>> Well, I mean I think the five like you

6658
05:10:16,878 --> 05:10:19,120
mentioned earlier that and something

6659
05:10:19,120 --> 05:10:21,280
that we were maybe saving turn 50. You

6660
05:10:21,280 --> 05:10:23,280
said that was a truck. Well 500,000 is

6661
05:10:23,280 --> 05:10:24,480
two trucks. So

6662
05:10:24,480 --> 05:10:24,798
>> true.

6663
05:10:24,798 --> 05:10:27,200
>> That's what I'd rather it go to than

6664
05:10:27,200 --> 05:10:30,080
>> true. Y.

6665
05:10:30,080 --> 05:10:30,718
>> So do

6666
05:10:30,718 --> 05:10:35,280
>> that's me. I mean that's just one voice.

6667
05:10:35,280 --> 05:10:38,080
How much will we need for that?

6668
05:10:38,080 --> 05:10:40,718
>> The PCA under recovery un the way it's

6669
05:10:40,718 --> 05:10:43,920
calculated was $1.9 million.

6670
05:10:43,920 --> 05:10:46,240
>> But that could also or bring it down.

6671
05:10:46,240 --> 05:10:46,718
>> Correct.

6672
05:10:46,718 --> 05:10:48,320
Considerably.

6673
05:10:48,320 --> 05:10:51,520
>> Correct. And recall I think under the

6674
05:10:51,520 --> 05:10:54,480
last five or six PCAs, the council

6675
05:10:54,480 --> 05:10:58,080
decided to share the cost uh with

6676
05:10:58,080 --> 05:11:02,400
customers and to the tune of about 50%.

6677
05:11:02,400 --> 05:11:04,798
But that's why we kept dropping in our

6678
05:11:04,798 --> 05:11:07,840
that's why we're where we are at 91

6679
05:11:07,840 --> 05:11:09,680
days.

6680
05:11:09,680 --> 05:11:10,240
>> Yeah,

6681
05:11:10,240 --> 05:11:11,360
>> that's true. Yeah.

6682
05:11:11,360 --> 05:11:12,480
>> Yeah.

6683
05:11:12,480 --> 05:11:13,840
I agree.

6684
05:11:13,840 --> 05:11:16,638
>> Yeah. No, you're you're right. Yeah.

6685
05:11:16,638 --> 05:11:18,400
>> Y'all comfortable with that?

6686
05:11:18,400 --> 05:11:20,240
>> We're just

6687
05:11:20,240 --> 05:11:21,280
remaking

6688
05:11:21,280 --> 05:11:21,760
>> Yeah.

6689
05:11:21,760 --> 05:11:23,680
>> decisions that has come back and bite

6690
05:11:23,680 --> 05:11:24,160
us.

6691
05:11:24,160 --> 05:11:24,958
>> Exactly.

6692
05:11:24,958 --> 05:11:26,480
>> Well,

6693
05:11:26,480 --> 05:11:28,400
and that's why I Well, we'll go back to

6694
05:11:28,400 --> 05:11:30,240
the thing again. Is it is it worth

6695
05:11:30,240 --> 05:11:33,120
keeping the electric department if we're

6696
05:11:33,120 --> 05:11:35,920
having to fund $500,000$100

6697
05:11:35,920 --> 05:11:41,440
million every 6 months to cover it?

6698
05:11:41,440 --> 05:11:44,160
>> Well, again, we're we're anticipating in

6699
05:11:44,160 --> 05:11:47,040
the future that we can get that under

6700
05:11:47,040 --> 05:11:48,798
control better. Remember, it was one

6701
05:11:48,798 --> 05:11:51,920
event. It was the polar vortex that

6702
05:11:51,920 --> 05:11:53,920
happened. Otherwise, we would be in much

6703
05:11:53,920 --> 05:11:56,798
better shape. So, uh, in the future,

6704
05:11:56,798 --> 05:11:59,520
we'll we'll be more aggressive with, uh,

6705
05:11:59,520 --> 05:12:02,000
hedging so that we don't have that issue

6706
05:12:02,000 --> 05:12:04,000
as much. We can't we're not going to be

6707
05:12:04,000 --> 05:12:07,280
100%. We don't have a crystal ball. So,

6708
05:12:07,280 --> 05:12:10,638
um, I I don't have any issue with trying

6709
05:12:10,638 --> 05:12:12,718
to advertise that cost over a longer

6710
05:12:12,718 --> 05:12:15,920
period of time or offsetting some of it

6711
05:12:15,920 --> 05:12:18,320
with capital reserve or reserves, I

6712
05:12:18,320 --> 05:12:19,520
should say.

6713
05:12:19,520 --> 05:12:22,080
>> I'm okay with that.

6714
05:12:22,080 --> 05:12:25,440
>> J, you okay with that? I'm thinking

6715
05:12:25,440 --> 05:12:28,160
>> I just I just see it I I still see it as

6716
05:12:28,160 --> 05:12:30,878
us I still see it as as as paying

6717
05:12:30,878 --> 05:12:32,320
>> kicking down the road

6718
05:12:32,320 --> 05:12:33,520
>> kicking it down the road again.

6719
05:12:33,520 --> 05:12:35,200
>> We're we're going we're reverting

6720
05:12:35,200 --> 05:12:36,638
instead of

6721
05:12:36,638 --> 05:12:38,638
>> I know. But I but I see us kicking this

6722
05:12:38,638 --> 05:12:39,920
bee down the road again.

6723
05:12:39,920 --> 05:12:40,240
>> Yeah.

6724
05:12:40,240 --> 05:12:41,680
>> And going back to what we've been doing

6725
05:12:41,680 --> 05:12:43,360
over the past years got us into the

6726
05:12:43,360 --> 05:12:47,520
position we're in. Well, if if the rates

6727
05:12:47,520 --> 05:12:49,600
would ever stabilize to any degree,

6728
05:12:49,600 --> 05:12:51,760
which we've done, it's kind of like

6729
05:12:51,760 --> 05:12:52,480
well,

6730
05:12:52,480 --> 05:12:53,520
>> it's unpredictable

6731
05:12:53,520 --> 05:12:54,958
>> and it doesn't look like it's going to

6732
05:12:54,958 --> 05:12:57,120
stabilize. It looks like it's cost is

6733
05:12:57,120 --> 05:12:58,638
going to keep going up right now with

6734
05:12:58,638 --> 05:13:00,480
some of the things that I've seen done

6735
05:13:00,480 --> 05:13:02,560
by the state and the governor.

6736
05:13:02,560 --> 05:13:04,560
>> Yep. We're going to have more discussion

6737
05:13:04,560 --> 05:13:08,320
on this in the next council meeting. So,

6738
05:13:08,320 --> 05:13:10,320
you know, we'll take all this into

6739
05:13:10,320 --> 05:13:12,000
consideration and we'll revisit it and

6740
05:13:12,000 --> 05:13:13,360
see where you guys want to go. You don't

6741
05:13:13,360 --> 05:13:14,240
have to make that decision.

6742
05:13:14,240 --> 05:13:15,280
>> Yeah, I was going to say we don't have

6743
05:13:15,280 --> 05:13:15,920
to decide.

6744
05:13:15,920 --> 05:13:17,440
>> Well, we have to for the budget, though.

6745
05:13:17,440 --> 05:13:18,798
>> I need to know where to put the

6746
05:13:18,798 --> 05:13:21,280
>> You need to know where to put the money.

6747
05:13:21,280 --> 05:13:22,718
>> Well, if you don't do anything, it would

6748
05:13:22,718 --> 05:13:25,120
just lapse into

6749
05:13:25,120 --> 05:13:26,320
>> decide where it goes later.

6750
05:13:26,320 --> 05:13:28,000
>> It would, but it goes into supervision

6751
05:13:28,000 --> 05:13:30,080
and engineering and so they may want to

6752
05:13:30,080 --> 05:13:32,240
move it into contingency. It's not.

6753
05:13:32,240 --> 05:13:33,520
>> Yeah. Yeah. We could put it somewhere

6754
05:13:33,520 --> 05:13:35,360
that we could pull it out.

6755
05:13:35,360 --> 05:13:38,480
>> Yeah. Yeah. No. Well, I think Ann was

6756
05:13:38,480 --> 05:13:40,240
saying if if you need to decide if you

6757
05:13:40,240 --> 05:13:42,160
want to leave it here or put it into

6758
05:13:42,160 --> 05:13:43,680
contingency.

6759
05:13:43,680 --> 05:13:45,680
It doesn't change the amount of the of

6760
05:13:45,680 --> 05:13:48,718
the u of the budget, but it's just her

6761
05:13:48,718 --> 05:13:50,400
classification of where

6762
05:13:50,400 --> 05:13:52,320
>> that's we would want somewhere where we

6763
05:13:52,320 --> 05:13:56,638
can go out and do that if necessary. So

6764
05:13:56,638 --> 05:14:00,080
contingency I think is what

6765
05:14:00,080 --> 05:14:05,590
>> you put it on the council

6766
05:14:05,600 --> 05:14:09,040
decide right we go to bill

6767
05:14:09,040 --> 05:14:10,560
>> yeah

6768
05:14:10,560 --> 05:14:13,760
okay what's next we're at 124 where you

6769
05:14:13,760 --> 05:14:15,360
at

6770
05:14:15,360 --> 05:14:20,560
124 124 couple questions all right

6771
05:14:20,560 --> 05:14:24,000
contract cleaning $25,000

6772
05:14:24,000 --> 05:14:26,480
small equipment tools 17,000. It won't

6773
05:14:26,480 --> 05:14:29,920
none in 26 by 2027. Is that just

6774
05:14:29,920 --> 05:14:32,718
standard stuff that you need to continue

6775
05:14:32,718 --> 05:14:34,878
what you're doing on the rightway crew?

6776
05:14:34,878 --> 05:14:36,718
>> Yeah, the contract clearing, you know, a

6777
05:14:36,718 --> 05:14:38,638
few years ago we had a large amount in

6778
05:14:38,638 --> 05:14:42,878
there. This is for like spraying uh and

6779
05:14:42,878 --> 05:14:45,760
uh the supplemental uh work that we do

6780
05:14:45,760 --> 05:14:48,878
uh or specialized clearing along some of

6781
05:14:48,878 --> 05:14:50,160
the transmission lines. We don't have

6782
05:14:50,160 --> 05:14:52,480
the equipment to reach high enough to do

6783
05:14:52,480 --> 05:14:54,878
some of the clearing. So, this is

6784
05:14:54,878 --> 05:14:57,840
supplemental to what we do. Um, and it's

6785
05:14:57,840 --> 05:14:59,920
just an ef an effort to keep some of the

6786
05:14:59,920 --> 05:15:03,920
lines more clear than what they are. Um,

6787
05:15:03,920 --> 05:15:06,400
yeah.

6788
05:15:06,400 --> 05:15:09,360
>> And then the small equipment and tools.

6789
05:15:09,360 --> 05:15:12,480
Yeah, we we go through a lot of chains,

6790
05:15:12,480 --> 05:15:15,200
chainsaws, all that kind of stuff. So,

6791
05:15:15,200 --> 05:15:18,240
that's what that's for. Uh, this is the

6792
05:15:18,240 --> 05:15:22,320
excuse me, the rideway crew. And uh as

6793
05:15:22,320 --> 05:15:24,080
you noticed last year we had nothing in

6794
05:15:24,080 --> 05:15:26,798
there. So they really wore down what

6795
05:15:26,798 --> 05:15:28,878
they had last year because we had to

6796
05:15:28,878 --> 05:15:33,110
stretch.

6797
05:15:33,120 --> 05:15:37,840
And last one is u payment in lie of tax

6798
05:15:37,840 --> 05:15:40,000
559,181.

6799
05:15:40,000 --> 05:15:40,878
What is that?

6800
05:15:40,878 --> 05:15:42,798
>> It's going to the general fund. And so

6801
05:15:42,798 --> 05:15:45,280
if this was a private entity that's the

6802
05:15:45,280 --> 05:15:47,280
amount of taxes we calculated they would

6803
05:15:47,280 --> 05:15:49,360
pay.

6804
05:15:49,360 --> 05:15:51,440
That's if they were

6805
05:15:51,440 --> 05:15:53,680
>> right. So if this was a entity that

6806
05:15:53,680 --> 05:15:55,840
wasn't a government tax exempt, they

6807
05:15:55,840 --> 05:15:56,320
would

6808
05:15:56,320 --> 05:15:57,920
>> Yeah. Like if it was one of the other

6809
05:15:57,920 --> 05:15:59,360
power companies, that's what they would

6810
05:15:59,360 --> 05:16:00,480
pay out.

6811
05:16:00,480 --> 05:16:02,080
>> They have personal property, real

6812
05:16:02,080 --> 05:16:02,958
estate.

6813
05:16:02,958 --> 05:16:04,400
>> Goes back to what you

6814
05:16:04,400 --> 05:16:05,840
>> Yeah. At the beginning of the meeting we

6815
05:16:05,840 --> 05:16:08,320
talked about. Yeah.

6816
05:16:08,320 --> 05:16:10,400
>> Make it makes it cleaner than just see

6817
05:16:10,400 --> 05:16:11,680
it transition.

6818
05:16:11,680 --> 05:16:13,120
>> Yeah.

6819
05:16:13,120 --> 05:16:15,120
>> Then explains it better

6820
05:16:15,120 --> 05:16:17,360
>> and and it limits to that certain

6821
05:16:17,360 --> 05:16:20,390
amount.

6822
05:16:20,400 --> 05:16:22,080
and it's principle. This was something

6823
05:16:22,080 --> 05:16:24,320
that Darren showed

6824
05:16:24,320 --> 05:16:26,000
his horse on and yelled about every

6825
05:16:26,000 --> 05:16:29,520
single year on council was what is the

6826
05:16:29,520 --> 05:16:32,638
transfer? Well, we sat down and figured

6827
05:16:32,638 --> 05:16:39,590
out this is really what we need to be

6828
05:16:39,600 --> 05:16:41,680
» before we get out of electric. The

6829
05:16:41,680 --> 05:16:43,360
question that I had for you two at the

6830
05:16:43,360 --> 05:16:49,680
end of one of the breaks as far as the interest off of the A lease,

6831
05:16:49,680 --> 05:16:51,920
>> is that going to have an impact on this

6832
05:16:51,920 --> 05:16:54,718
budget or the next budget cycle?

6833
05:16:54,718 --> 05:16:56,718
>> I think it's this budget cycle.

6834
05:16:56,718 --> 05:16:58,638
>> Okay.

6835
05:16:58,638 --> 05:17:00,638
>> I think it needs to be removed from this

6836
05:17:00,638 --> 05:17:02,400
budget cycle. We could net it against

6837
05:17:02,400 --> 05:17:04,798
the 500,000 in contingency.

6838
05:17:04,798 --> 05:17:06,240
>> Okay. Okay, cuz I was how's that going

6839
05:17:06,240 --> 05:17:09,120
to impact John's budget then if that

6840
05:17:09,120 --> 05:17:12,638
>> decrease of 232,000? What council member

6841
05:17:12,638 --> 05:17:14,240
update is referring to is we were

6842
05:17:14,240 --> 05:17:16,320
receiving interest from a lease that we

6843
05:17:16,320 --> 05:17:20,080
had a lease purchase on a substation

6844
05:17:20,080 --> 05:17:22,000
that we financed through debt and that

6845
05:17:22,000 --> 05:17:23,840
ends this year. So they will not own

6846
05:17:23,840 --> 05:17:26,080
that substation no longer lease from us.

6847
05:17:26,080 --> 05:17:28,080
So we will not get interest earnings off

6848
05:17:28,080 --> 05:17:30,878
of that anymore.

6849
05:17:30,878 --> 05:17:34,320
>> Is a still supplying that customer? Mhm.

6850
05:17:34,320 --> 05:17:35,920
>> It's the um paper

6851
05:17:35,920 --> 05:17:37,840
>> paper mill.

6852
05:17:37,840 --> 05:17:39,840
Yeah.

6853
05:17:39,840 --> 05:17:42,638
But wouldn't our debt expense Well, it's

6854
05:17:42,638 --> 05:17:43,200
going away.

6855
05:17:43,200 --> 05:17:44,878
>> It is. Yeah, it has. So, you'll see

6856
05:17:44,878 --> 05:17:49,750
there's no debt in this budget.

6857
05:17:49,760 --> 05:17:53,360
» Which is a weird thing to say.

6858
05:17:53,360 --> 05:17:55,680
>> I've been working for 11 years to get us

6859
05:17:55,680 --> 05:17:57,920
to this point. Even if it's only for one

6860
05:17:57,920 --> 05:17:59,440
year, I'm going to consider it a

6861
05:17:59,440 --> 05:18:03,990
success.

6862
05:18:04,000 --> 05:18:05,920
I don't think I've ever had a budget

6863
05:18:05,920 --> 05:18:15,510
fund with no debt. It's rather

6864
05:18:15,520 --> 05:18:17,440
» All right,

6865
05:18:17,440 --> 05:18:20,320
take land.

6866
05:18:20,320 --> 05:18:25,910
Where are we?

6867
05:18:25,920 --> 05:18:31,190
126. Okay.

6868
05:18:31,200 --> 05:18:34,480
question 122.

6869
05:18:34,480 --> 05:18:43,110
I had my question answered earlier.

6870
05:18:43,120 --> 05:18:49,270
128 component units.

6871
05:18:49,280 --> 05:18:51,600
All right. 128

6872
05:18:51,600 --> 05:18:56,948
economic development authority EDA.

6873
05:18:56,958 --> 05:18:59,680
We know how that works.

6874
05:18:59,680 --> 05:19:02,240
Any questions? Just a note on the EDA

6875
05:19:02,240 --> 05:19:04,240
and the housing authority, those boards

6876
05:19:04,240 --> 05:19:06,878
do adopt their budget separately. So, we

6877
05:19:06,878 --> 05:19:10,240
display it in here just as a FYI, but we

6878
05:19:10,240 --> 05:19:11,840
do have to take it to those boards for

6879
05:19:11,840 --> 05:19:15,350
adoption.

6880
05:19:15,360 --> 05:19:22,310
» 129.

6881
05:19:22,320 --> 05:19:25,760
» Anybody good?

6882
05:19:25,760 --> 05:19:28,480
30

6883
05:19:28,480 --> 05:19:32,628
development and housing authority.

6884
05:19:32,638 --> 05:19:37,910
» Everybody authority should get paid.

6885
05:19:37,920 --> 05:19:38,798
» You want to make a motion?

6886
05:19:38,798 --> 05:19:40,958
>> Are you recommending a tax increases? Is

6887
05:19:40,958 --> 05:19:44,000
that what you say? What? Wait, we got

6888
05:19:44,000 --> 05:19:46,320
500,000.

6889
05:19:46,320 --> 05:19:50,160
>> Exactly. Perfect.

6890
05:19:50,160 --> 05:19:58,470
>> I'm kidding.

6891
05:19:58,480 --> 05:20:05,990
No uh 131.

6892
05:20:06,000 --> 05:20:08,798
» Okay. No questions.

6893
05:20:08,798 --> 05:20:10,480
>> We finally at 132.

6894
05:20:10,480 --> 05:20:12,400
>> 132 3 hours ago.

6895
05:20:12,400 --> 05:20:15,600
>> And fees. He will fasttrack it earlier,

6896
05:20:15,600 --> 05:20:20,708
but uh these delays

6897
05:20:20,718 --> 05:20:25,830
taxes and fees

6898
05:20:25,840 --> 05:20:28,160
133.

6899
05:20:28,160 --> 05:20:30,718
What do y'all have to say about this?

6900
05:20:30,718 --> 05:20:33,040
Everybody okay with that? Yeah, I'd had

6901
05:20:33,040 --> 05:20:35,120
a a note here about the same thing that

6902
05:20:35,120 --> 05:20:36,320
council form brought up at the

6903
05:20:36,320 --> 05:20:39,520
beginning, but um

6904
05:20:39,520 --> 05:20:42,000
town's real estate tax and how it

6905
05:20:42,000 --> 05:20:46,400
relates to the others. But uh um I think

6906
05:20:46,400 --> 05:20:48,240
if you look at all the taxes, the

6907
05:20:48,240 --> 05:20:52,400
totality of all the taxes, we're

6908
05:20:52,400 --> 05:20:54,080
I don't know that we're we're cheaper

6909
05:20:54,080 --> 05:21:00,718
than everybody else around, but uh we're we're ballpark, I think. So,

6910
05:21:00,718 --> 05:21:01,840
I'm good.

6911
05:21:01,840 --> 05:21:04,240
I would say we're comfortable.

6912
05:21:04,240 --> 05:21:07,200
I think we're pretty close.

6913
05:21:07,200 --> 05:21:10,718
>> I do have one question. I mentioned

6914
05:21:10,718 --> 05:21:12,240
something to the town manager a while

6915
05:21:12,240 --> 05:21:17,990
back about the muring tool talked

6916
05:21:18,000 --> 05:21:20,798
about, you know, maybe looking at going

6917
05:21:20,798 --> 05:21:22,638
up on that any or anything like that. We

6918
05:21:22,638 --> 05:21:25,360
just brought that into the equation two

6919
05:21:25,360 --> 05:21:26,240
years ago.

6920
05:21:26,240 --> 05:21:27,920
>> No, that's always been a tax. When we

6921
05:21:27,920 --> 05:21:30,240
reverted, we set it at a rate that's

6922
05:21:30,240 --> 05:21:31,920
practically nothing

6923
05:21:31,920 --> 05:21:33,440
>> because

6924
05:21:33,440 --> 05:21:35,520
we get beaten up a lot for people

6925
05:21:35,520 --> 05:21:37,920
getting double taxed.

6926
05:21:37,920 --> 05:21:40,160
>> We pay town taxes for town services,

6927
05:21:40,160 --> 05:21:42,080
county taxes for county services.

6928
05:21:42,080 --> 05:21:44,400
Unfortunately, many cases were limited

6929
05:21:44,400 --> 05:21:47,040
to the same sources of revenue. So, we

6930
05:21:47,040 --> 05:21:49,040
set the machinery and tools tax at

6931
05:21:49,040 --> 05:21:51,200
effectively zero, but we didn't get rid

6932
05:21:51,200 --> 05:21:53,840
of it.

6933
05:21:53,840 --> 05:21:55,520
mainly because we didn't want to

6934
05:21:55,520 --> 05:21:57,680
completely give it up if we ever found

6935
05:21:57,680 --> 05:22:05,030
ourselves in need of a revenue source.

6936
05:22:05,040 --> 05:22:05,360
» Okay.

6937
05:22:05,360 --> 05:22:07,040
>> And my colleagues ask me about that all

6938
05:22:07,040 --> 05:22:08,878
the time. Why is it one millionth of a

6939
05:22:08,878 --> 05:22:11,360
cent? That's why. Well, when we're

6940
05:22:11,360 --> 05:22:13,680
looking to make up a4 million dollars, I

6941
05:22:13,680 --> 05:22:15,280
mean,

6942
05:22:15,280 --> 05:22:18,560
this this may be the time to

6943
05:22:18,560 --> 05:22:22,000
>> to Councilman Haley's point, it's

6944
05:22:22,000 --> 05:22:25,040
>> there if you want to talk about it.

6945
05:22:25,040 --> 05:22:27,280
>> I just think we need to just talk about

6946
05:22:27,280 --> 05:22:29,200
it. I don't mean we got it.

6947
05:22:29,200 --> 05:22:31,040
>> Well, I mean, I think it's it's an

6948
05:22:31,040 --> 05:22:33,600
important I mean, I've been, you know,

6949
05:22:33,600 --> 05:22:36,638
y'all know I've been kind this drunk a

6950
05:22:36,638 --> 05:22:40,310
little bit in that

6951
05:22:40,320 --> 05:22:42,798
Where's the money coming from? Make up

6952
05:22:42,798 --> 05:22:45,360
for the shortfalls we're going to start

6953
05:22:45,360 --> 05:22:47,040
having.

6954
05:22:47,040 --> 05:22:49,520
I mean, staff has done, I think, a great

6955
05:22:49,520 --> 05:22:53,200
job trying to uh,

6956
05:22:53,200 --> 05:22:55,200
you know, be more efficient, more lean.

6957
05:22:55,200 --> 05:22:58,080
Uh, but it's at some point you've got to

6958
05:22:58,080 --> 05:23:00,080
start looking where it's about revenue.

6959
05:23:00,080 --> 05:23:04,240
If we stay static, then I mean,

6960
05:23:04,240 --> 05:23:07,200
just be honest, Dan. We're going to be

6961
05:23:07,200 --> 05:23:08,878
Yeah, we won't be losing. continue to

6962
05:23:08,878 --> 05:23:11,680
lose money. And so is that different?

6963
05:23:11,680 --> 05:23:13,920
>> We have a We know what one cent gets us.

6964
05:23:13,920 --> 05:23:15,840
>> I just pulled it up. Yeah. One penny is

6965
05:23:15,840 --> 05:23:19,110
$4,116.

6966
05:23:19,120 --> 05:23:21,360
» That's how much a penny of machinery

6967
05:23:21,360 --> 05:23:23,520
tools would be.

6968
05:23:23,520 --> 05:23:26,958
>> Business furniture and fixture. I would

6969
05:23:26,958 --> 05:23:29,760
say it would be about 2,000 for that.

6970
05:23:29,760 --> 05:23:31,440
There's,

6971
05:23:31,440 --> 05:23:33,840
as I was looking there, there's one that

6972
05:23:33,840 --> 05:23:36,958
we there's a licensing fee if you go all

6973
05:23:36,958 --> 05:23:39,440
the way back that everybody else charges

6974
05:23:39,440 --> 05:23:40,320
on vehicles.

6975
05:23:40,320 --> 05:23:41,200
>> Vehicle license

6976
05:23:41,200 --> 05:23:42,240
>> decal.

6977
05:23:42,240 --> 05:23:44,400
>> Yeah, decal fee. I mean, that's one that

6978
05:23:44,400 --> 05:23:45,840
we don't that everybody else charges

6979
05:23:45,840 --> 05:23:47,360
that we don't.

6980
05:23:47,360 --> 05:23:49,280
>> And that would be a way to have some

6981
05:23:49,280 --> 05:23:52,000
income if you're looking at that. And

6982
05:23:52,000 --> 05:23:56,400
that would be um I think a fair way to

6983
05:23:56,400 --> 05:23:58,798
do it where it would be it would cover

6984
05:23:58,798 --> 05:24:00,240
everybody in the town that owns a

6985
05:24:00,240 --> 05:24:04,400
vehicle, but it would also um cover the

6986
05:24:04,400 --> 05:24:07,440
cost without charging extra fees on the

6987
05:24:07,440 --> 05:24:10,560
personal property tax because the the

6988
05:24:10,560 --> 05:24:12,480
state already covers that. We then again

6989
05:24:12,480 --> 05:24:13,840
that's a double tax where you're paying

6990
05:24:13,840 --> 05:24:16,400
personal property tax and the town. This

6991
05:24:16,400 --> 05:24:19,120
fee will be an individual tax for those

6992
05:24:19,120 --> 05:24:21,120
living in the town and it's not a double

6993
05:24:21,120 --> 05:24:24,718
tax. I mean the machine machinery tools

6994
05:24:24,718 --> 05:24:26,480
again is a double tax because you're

6995
05:24:26,480 --> 05:24:28,080
paying it to they're paying it to the

6996
05:24:28,080 --> 05:24:30,958
county all already. Um but we've got

6997
05:24:30,958 --> 05:24:32,638
many others that are double taxing

6998
05:24:32,638 --> 05:24:34,000
people

6999
05:24:34,000 --> 05:24:36,080
>> as is an individual tax because we don't

7000
05:24:36,080 --> 05:24:38,320
pay the county doesn't charge that

7001
05:24:38,320 --> 05:24:39,440
because they can't. Right.

7002
05:24:39,440 --> 05:24:39,840
>> Right.

7003
05:24:39,840 --> 05:24:40,878
>> No, the county could.

7004
05:24:40,878 --> 05:24:43,600
>> They could but they don't. Okay. So

7005
05:24:43,600 --> 05:24:45,680
that's that's an individual tax we do.

7006
05:24:45,680 --> 05:24:47,920
But machinery tools they already charge

7007
05:24:47,920 --> 05:24:49,280
at

7008
05:24:49,280 --> 05:24:50,958
>> and we would be charging the same one.

7009
05:24:50,958 --> 05:24:52,560
But I was looking for things that maybe

7010
05:24:52,560 --> 05:24:55,120
we weren't double getting the same

7011
05:24:55,120 --> 05:24:57,920
person paying twice on there. Does the

7012
05:24:57,920 --> 05:25:00,320
county charge a decay fee?

7013
05:25:00,320 --> 05:25:02,240
>> No. Either one of us do.

7014
05:25:02,240 --> 05:25:05,760
>> Cuz if the county does and then the town

7015
05:25:05,760 --> 05:25:08,480
started, then it would just flip it from

7016
05:25:08,480 --> 05:25:10,480
the county to the town. So it be neutral

7017
05:25:10,480 --> 05:25:12,320
for everybody. But because the catchy

7018
05:25:12,320 --> 05:25:14,320
doesn't then it'll be it'll be a new one

7019
05:25:14,320 --> 05:25:15,680
just for the town res.

7020
05:25:15,680 --> 05:25:18,160
>> Yeah. As of our last assessment we had

7021
05:25:18,160 --> 05:25:20,320
9,364

7022
05:25:20,320 --> 05:25:23,760
vehicles. So if I say that 90% of those

7023
05:25:23,760 --> 05:25:28,718
are BLF eligible that's 168,000

7024
05:25:28,718 --> 05:25:32,638
a $20 vehicle license fee.

7025
05:25:32,638 --> 05:25:34,400
>> I mean if you wanted to bring extra tax

7026
05:25:34,400 --> 05:25:36,718
in that's the way to do it. I mean it's

7027
05:25:36,718 --> 05:25:39,600
but there are other things like um Jay

7028
05:25:39,600 --> 05:25:42,320
was just mentioning um that we don't

7029
05:25:42,320 --> 05:25:44,798
have anybody issuing parking tickets

7030
05:25:44,798 --> 05:25:48,000
right now. So we raise the fines but

7031
05:25:48,000 --> 05:25:50,080
there's parkings everywhere and there's

7032
05:25:50,080 --> 05:25:52,240
no one doing it. There's ways to do it

7033
05:25:52,240 --> 05:25:54,240
without hiring somebody to do it all the

7034
05:25:54,240 --> 05:25:56,718
time like they do in other cities where

7035
05:25:56,718 --> 05:25:58,718
they put QR codes where you where you

7036
05:25:58,718 --> 05:26:01,360
pay your fee to park. You scan it and

7037
05:26:01,360 --> 05:26:03,200
pay your fee to park in that spot then

7038
05:26:03,200 --> 05:26:04,958
you park there.

7039
05:26:04,958 --> 05:26:08,320
Um, so there's ways to do that also. Um,

7040
05:26:08,320 --> 05:26:11,120
it would go away from free parking and

7041
05:26:11,120 --> 05:26:15,600
to a paid parking system, but there's all kinds of ways that we could

7042
05:26:15,600 --> 05:26:19,120
generate funds for the town. Um, whether

7043
05:26:19,120 --> 05:26:20,400
people would like it or not is going to

7044
05:26:20,400 --> 05:26:21,680
be the question. And that's what we

7045
05:26:21,680 --> 05:26:24,878
talked about change earlier. Um, you

7046
05:26:24,878 --> 05:26:26,638
know, because I say the police

7047
05:26:26,638 --> 05:26:28,400
department, police officers don't like

7048
05:26:28,400 --> 05:26:29,840
change, but they don't like the way

7049
05:26:29,840 --> 05:26:31,840
things are. People downtown don't like

7050
05:26:31,840 --> 05:26:33,200
the way things are with parking, but

7051
05:26:33,200 --> 05:26:35,120
they're not going to like change either.

7052
05:26:35,120 --> 05:26:37,600
So, it's it's all about how we handle it

7053
05:26:37,600 --> 05:26:39,040
and how we get it out there to the

7054
05:26:39,040 --> 05:26:41,200
people and get their opinions on it.

7055
05:26:41,200 --> 05:26:43,120
Some people want parking to be paid

7056
05:26:43,120 --> 05:26:45,120
because they want the spots to open in

7057
05:26:45,120 --> 05:26:47,200
front of their business so they can have

7058
05:26:47,200 --> 05:26:48,638
the customers there and then others

7059
05:26:48,638 --> 05:26:50,878
don't because they don't, you know, they

7060
05:26:50,878 --> 05:26:52,240
want to be able to park free and they

7061
05:26:52,240 --> 05:26:53,440
think it'll work better for their

7062
05:26:53,440 --> 05:26:54,878
customers.

7063
05:26:54,878 --> 05:26:57,040
>> I I would say the paid parking is thing

7064
05:26:57,040 --> 05:26:58,638
something of the future to look at.

7065
05:26:58,638 --> 05:27:00,560
>> Yes. I think we definitely need to look

7066
05:27:00,560 --> 05:27:05,040
Yeah. whatever way we can to for that u

7067
05:27:05,040 --> 05:27:07,520
downtown behind the county administrator

7068
05:27:07,520 --> 05:27:09,920
building anywhere that people are

7069
05:27:09,920 --> 05:27:13,200
parking and so forth. That's probably

7070
05:27:13,200 --> 05:27:15,120
see it should some way to go like

7071
05:27:15,120 --> 05:27:17,200
>> and and then have some free parking like

7072
05:27:17,200 --> 05:27:19,120
down in different areas in town where

7073
05:27:19,120 --> 05:27:20,958
people would have to walk.

7074
05:27:20,958 --> 05:27:21,440
>> Um

7075
05:27:21,440 --> 05:27:23,520
>> Oh, yeah.

7076
05:27:23,520 --> 05:27:25,600
>> Yeah. Well, in process of doing that

7077
05:27:25,600 --> 05:27:26,878
too, we're going to have to correct some

7078
05:27:26,878 --> 05:27:29,440
of the signage downtown. A lot of the

7079
05:27:29,440 --> 05:27:30,878
signage is

7080
05:27:30,878 --> 05:27:33,680
>> well paid would be you know what I mean.

7081
05:27:33,680 --> 05:27:35,840
But right now there's six signs in town.

7082
05:27:35,840 --> 05:27:38,718
There's six parking spaces and that has

7083
05:27:38,718 --> 05:27:41,840
a sign that says 2 hours and 30 minutes

7084
05:27:41,840 --> 05:27:43,840
in the same parking space on the same

7085
05:27:43,840 --> 05:27:45,040
pole.

7086
05:27:45,040 --> 05:27:50,310
>> So is it two hours or is it 30 minutes?

7087
05:27:50,320 --> 05:27:52,240
You have a loading zone and you have one

7088
05:27:52,240 --> 05:27:54,718
says two hours apart and same fault too.

7089
05:27:54,718 --> 05:27:55,760
Whatever. So,

7090
05:27:55,760 --> 05:27:57,680
>> but it's like you said when you put if

7091
05:27:57,680 --> 05:27:58,080
you are

7092
05:27:58,080 --> 05:28:00,160
>> if you if you have paid parking then

7093
05:28:00,160 --> 05:28:01,200
take care of

7094
05:28:01,200 --> 05:28:04,000
>> but you know it's like when the cop came

7095
05:28:04,000 --> 05:28:07,680
around on Monday issuing parking tickets

7096
05:28:07,680 --> 05:28:13,040
and well when he the office

7097
05:28:13,040 --> 05:28:15,040
I can't think of his name now when he

7098
05:28:15,040 --> 05:28:16,878
come around anyway officer came around

7099
05:28:16,878 --> 05:28:19,440
passed out papers in the town but

7100
05:28:19,440 --> 05:28:21,040
warning everybody that it was going to

7101
05:28:21,040 --> 05:28:23,200
start and then the following week

7102
05:28:23,200 --> 05:28:25,360
another officer come and started passing

7103
05:28:25,360 --> 05:28:28,000
out tickets. He wrote a lot of tickets

7104
05:28:28,000 --> 05:28:30,320
that day because I know he got six t he

7105
05:28:30,320 --> 05:28:33,280
wrote six tickets just on our one block

7106
05:28:33,280 --> 05:28:36,638
at in his first venture through our

7107
05:28:36,638 --> 05:28:40,000
street. And then

7108
05:28:40,000 --> 05:28:42,958
on Tuesday, it was really nice cuz

7109
05:28:42,958 --> 05:28:44,080
everybody's like, "What happened?

7110
05:28:44,080 --> 05:28:46,320
Where's so nice we can pull up here and

7111
05:28:46,320 --> 05:28:48,558
park?" because there was only two cars

7112
05:28:48,558 --> 05:28:51,200
on the street, but that was because

7113
05:28:51,200 --> 05:28:52,878
everybody had got warn and everybody had

7114
05:28:52,878 --> 05:28:54,000
got tickets. So, they didn't even have

7115
05:28:54,000 --> 05:28:55,760
to park the car on the street.

7116
05:28:55,760 --> 05:28:59,280
>> So, it made a huge difference. But then,

7117
05:28:59,280 --> 05:29:01,440
you know, as it slowed down and the cops

7118
05:29:01,440 --> 05:29:02,878
got dizzy and they didn't have time to

7119
05:29:02,878 --> 05:29:06,160
set and walk the streets, then they

7120
05:29:06,160 --> 05:29:08,958
slowly came back again. And I mean, I've

7121
05:29:08,958 --> 05:29:10,798
got pictures on the phone where there's

7122
05:29:10,798 --> 05:29:13,760
a car parked with her whole rear her

7123
05:29:13,760 --> 05:29:15,760
rear tires actually on the corner of

7124
05:29:15,760 --> 05:29:17,360
Depot Street with her whole rear end

7125
05:29:17,360 --> 05:29:19,200
sticking out.

7126
05:29:19,200 --> 05:29:21,200
There's I've taken pictures of cars and

7127
05:29:21,200 --> 05:29:22,958
it's been sitting there from 10:00 in

7128
05:29:22,958 --> 05:29:25,520
the morning to 3:00 in the evening when

7129
05:29:25,520 --> 05:29:27,280
I leave.

7130
05:29:27,280 --> 05:29:30,160
They don't have a ticket.

7131
05:29:30,160 --> 05:29:31,920
And

7132
05:29:31,920 --> 05:29:34,718
>> so I guess I'm I'm thinking

7133
05:29:34,718 --> 05:29:37,440
that's probably twofold. If we did go

7134
05:29:37,440 --> 05:29:40,080
with paid parking, you're still going to

7135
05:29:40,080 --> 05:29:42,160
need someone to monitor it and get

7136
05:29:42,160 --> 05:29:43,520
tickets.

7137
05:29:43,520 --> 05:29:46,240
>> So, so we're going to need Bart, I would

7138
05:29:46,240 --> 05:29:48,638
say, you know, we've talked about this

7139
05:29:48,638 --> 05:29:51,520
the pay parking and and a way to do it,

7140
05:29:51,520 --> 05:29:54,558
but we still would need

7141
05:29:54,558 --> 05:29:57,920
a traffic person, somebody. Yeah,

7142
05:29:57,920 --> 05:29:59,440
>> it's still challenge for the police

7143
05:29:59,440 --> 05:30:01,840
officers right now without paid parking

7144
05:30:01,840 --> 05:30:03,600
>> because there's there's rules that have

7145
05:30:03,600 --> 05:30:06,160
come out about the way you mark cars and

7146
05:30:06,160 --> 05:30:07,120
>> do that

7147
05:30:07,120 --> 05:30:08,718
>> to where it makes it more difficult for

7148
05:30:08,718 --> 05:30:10,878
a police officer. You used to be able to

7149
05:30:10,878 --> 05:30:12,638
when Daryl and I did it, you could mark

7150
05:30:12,638 --> 05:30:13,840
the tire

7151
05:30:13,840 --> 05:30:15,760
>> with a piece of chalk. You can mark the

7152
05:30:15,760 --> 05:30:18,000
tread. You can't do that anymore. It's

7153
05:30:18,000 --> 05:30:20,240
not allowed.

7154
05:30:20,240 --> 05:30:22,558
>> So, that's so that's where there's a

7155
05:30:22,558 --> 05:30:23,920
challenge and that's why the paid

7156
05:30:23,920 --> 05:30:27,520
parking will be a an option of

7157
05:30:27,520 --> 05:30:30,240
where it would be easier to track.

7158
05:30:30,240 --> 05:30:34,320
>> But on that standpoint too, most people

7159
05:30:34,320 --> 05:30:36,000
has a smartphone, but you still have

7160
05:30:36,000 --> 05:30:38,160
some older people that don't have

7161
05:30:38,160 --> 05:30:40,400
smartphones. How would they pay?

7162
05:30:40,400 --> 05:30:41,920
>> There's an eight there's normally a

7163
05:30:41,920 --> 05:30:43,520
phone number you can call.

7164
05:30:43,520 --> 05:30:44,718
>> Okay.

7165
05:30:44,718 --> 05:30:46,240
>> In most of the cities that I've been to,

7166
05:30:46,240 --> 05:30:48,080
it has a QR code or a phone number you

7167
05:30:48,080 --> 05:30:49,440
can call.

7168
05:30:49,440 --> 05:30:52,080
>> So, would we want staff to get us some

7169
05:30:52,080 --> 05:30:54,638
numbers on what it would cost to go back

7170
05:30:54,638 --> 05:30:57,360
to paid parking? the type of metering

7171
05:30:57,360 --> 05:31:01,760
and additional body to do that.

7172
05:31:01,760 --> 05:31:04,400
>> We got one tickets on that.

7173
05:31:04,400 --> 05:31:07,200
>> Well, I thought we thought we had a

7174
05:31:07,200 --> 05:31:09,360
quote me if I'm wrong. I thought we had

7175
05:31:09,360 --> 05:31:11,840
a parking guy position that we actually

7176
05:31:11,840 --> 05:31:13,280
froze. Did we freeze that?

7177
05:31:13,280 --> 05:31:15,520
>> You eliminated elim I couldn't remember,

7178
05:31:15,520 --> 05:31:16,240
but I was trying to

7179
05:31:16,240 --> 05:31:18,320
>> I'm sorry. Not you personally, council a

7180
05:31:18,320 --> 05:31:19,920
previous council. I could remember I

7181
05:31:19,920 --> 05:31:21,200
could wrong with lemonade.

7182
05:31:21,200 --> 05:31:24,320
>> Will the police bring that position back

7183
05:31:24,320 --> 05:31:26,638
and he would make us enough money to

7184
05:31:26,638 --> 05:31:28,718
probably pay for

7185
05:31:28,718 --> 05:31:29,120
>> well

7186
05:31:29,120 --> 05:31:32,000
>> doing everything else cuz he wrote a lot

7187
05:31:32,000 --> 05:31:33,440
of Do you know how many tickets he wrote

7188
05:31:33,440 --> 05:31:36,080
that ATM4?

7189
05:31:36,080 --> 05:31:38,160
>> Yeah. I mean it was a lot.

7190
05:31:38,160 --> 05:31:40,000
>> Yeah. Keep in mind that's going to cost

7191
05:31:40,000 --> 05:31:42,718
money. So everything that we do on the

7192
05:31:42,718 --> 05:31:45,440
side here and go back to show me the

7193
05:31:45,440 --> 05:31:48,718
money. But I I'm I'm interested too in

7194
05:31:48,718 --> 05:31:52,638
though what would it cost metering wise

7195
05:31:52,638 --> 05:31:56,878
or what's out there to get paid parking?

7196
05:31:56,878 --> 05:31:59,440
>> I know the the the old meters where you

7197
05:31:59,440 --> 05:32:01,120
put a

7198
05:32:01,120 --> 05:32:03,440
five or 10 central accord in are gone.

7199
05:32:03,440 --> 05:32:05,680
That's that's my touch of

7200
05:32:05,680 --> 05:32:07,680
>> No, they're working. They're all gone.

7201
05:32:07,680 --> 05:32:10,240
But but what's out there now is I guess

7202
05:32:10,240 --> 05:32:12,160
what I'd like to see and what we can

7203
05:32:12,160 --> 05:32:14,558
look into it. I guess not to complicate

7204
05:32:14,558 --> 05:32:15,920
things and you can tell me they shut up,

7205
05:32:15,920 --> 05:32:18,400
but part of the parking issue is well

7206
05:32:18,400 --> 05:32:19,840
the business owners are parking in front

7207
05:32:19,840 --> 05:32:20,480
of their building.

7208
05:32:20,480 --> 05:32:21,280
>> Yeah.

7209
05:32:21,280 --> 05:32:24,160
>> Where are they supposed to park?

7210
05:32:24,160 --> 05:32:27,120
>> Do we also need to create a special

7211
05:32:27,120 --> 05:32:29,600
place and category for business? Not

7212
05:32:29,600 --> 05:32:31,040
putting you on the spot, but

7213
05:32:31,040 --> 05:32:33,360
>> I pay $65 a month for

7214
05:32:33,360 --> 05:32:36,638
>> Okay. Well, that's might be okay.

7215
05:32:36,638 --> 05:32:39,360
>> Well, would we then Okay, that raises

7216
05:32:39,360 --> 05:32:42,160
another question.

7217
05:32:42,160 --> 05:32:43,920
The parking areas I mentioned

7218
05:32:43,920 --> 05:32:46,798
>> the parking lots we own

7219
05:32:46,798 --> 05:32:49,760
then could wing van lease out

7220
05:32:49,760 --> 05:32:53,680
>> they space per per week per month

7221
05:32:53,680 --> 05:32:55,920
>> probably

7222
05:32:55,920 --> 05:32:57,520
>> I'm looking at Mike to tell me

7223
05:32:57,520 --> 05:32:59,920
>> Oh yeah I mean

7224
05:32:59,920 --> 05:33:02,400
>> policy and have folks collect it

7225
05:33:02,400 --> 05:33:04,480
>> yeah have preserve parking for

7226
05:33:04,480 --> 05:33:06,080
individuals

7227
05:33:06,080 --> 05:33:08,080
and of course

7228
05:33:08,080 --> 05:33:10,400
>> or you could just do it by having the

7229
05:33:10,400 --> 05:33:12,718
company is managing your your paid

7230
05:33:12,718 --> 05:33:14,320
parking thing.

7231
05:33:14,320 --> 05:33:16,958
>> Talk about my photo code people in town,

7232
05:33:16,958 --> 05:33:19,920
but a lot of them have parking spaces,

7233
05:33:19,920 --> 05:33:22,240
>> but they don't have back doors and they

7234
05:33:22,240 --> 05:33:24,000
don't want to have to walk all the way

7235
05:33:24,000 --> 05:33:28,480
around the block to get there, you know?

7236
05:33:28,480 --> 05:33:28,878
>> Yeah.

7237
05:33:28,878 --> 05:33:33,520
>> Which we rent spots uh spots from what's

7238
05:33:33,520 --> 05:33:34,878
his face?

7239
05:33:34,878 --> 05:33:35,360
>> Brian.

7240
05:33:35,360 --> 05:33:37,920
But like across the street, the

7241
05:33:37,920 --> 05:33:39,360
holiday shop, we have two parking

7242
05:33:39,360 --> 05:33:43,750
spaces. Um,

7243
05:33:43,760 --> 05:33:45,520
them two building the side of us has two

7244
05:33:45,520 --> 05:33:47,680
parking spaces. Garrett has two parking

7245
05:33:47,680 --> 05:33:48,638
spaces.

7246
05:33:48,638 --> 05:33:50,958
>> Clam diggers, they have parking spaces.

7247
05:33:50,958 --> 05:33:52,958
A lot all the way down through there,

7248
05:33:52,958 --> 05:33:54,638
that street they all if you go back in

7249
05:33:54,638 --> 05:33:56,320
that parking lot, everybody has assigned

7250
05:33:56,320 --> 05:33:57,520
parking spaces.

7251
05:33:57,520 --> 05:33:58,240
>> Mhm.

7252
05:33:58,240 --> 05:34:00,480
>> Hen, he has parking spaces behind his

7253
05:34:00,480 --> 05:34:02,000
building, but you got to walk around the

7254
05:34:02,000 --> 05:34:05,200
block. the um Fredericks, all of them,

7255
05:34:05,200 --> 05:34:07,840
they all have parking spaces back there

7256
05:34:07,840 --> 05:34:10,718
that that goes to those buildings. They

7257
05:34:10,718 --> 05:34:12,480
just choose not to park back there

7258
05:34:12,480 --> 05:34:13,920
because you got to walk around the

7259
05:34:13,920 --> 05:34:14,638
block.

7260
05:34:14,638 --> 05:34:16,558
>> Yeah, that that's the thing. And that

7261
05:34:16,558 --> 05:34:19,280
but we could lease parking spots to

7262
05:34:19,280 --> 05:34:20,558
individuals.

7263
05:34:20,558 --> 05:34:23,040
>> I mean I mean we could

7264
05:34:23,040 --> 05:34:24,080
>> Oh, you just pull up and

7265
05:34:24,080 --> 05:34:25,280
>> we probably go and do that anyway with

7266
05:34:25,280 --> 05:34:26,798
our parking lots and and generate some

7267
05:34:26,798 --> 05:34:27,520
revenue.

7268
05:34:27,520 --> 05:34:28,000
Yeah, that's right.

7269
05:34:28,000 --> 05:34:29,680
>> Where Green Drug Store used to be is a

7270
05:34:29,680 --> 05:34:31,360
parking spot where you could do that for

7271
05:34:31,360 --> 05:34:33,120
a business owner

7272
05:34:33,120 --> 05:34:34,000
>> spot center.

7273
05:34:34,000 --> 05:34:36,718
>> I've seen Well, not exactly this, but

7274
05:34:36,718 --> 05:34:38,160
what we've done before is like the

7275
05:34:38,160 --> 05:34:40,798
hangers. You basically sell those each

7276
05:34:40,798 --> 05:34:43,280
year and then they like can turn back in

7277
05:34:43,280 --> 05:34:44,798
or vice versa.

7278
05:34:44,798 --> 05:34:47,360
>> And I'm sorry again not we've also

7279
05:34:47,360 --> 05:34:49,520
talked about resident people living

7280
05:34:49,520 --> 05:34:52,400
above the shops and developing. I've got

7281
05:34:52,400 --> 05:34:54,878
a code ready teed up ready to go for a

7282
05:34:54,878 --> 05:34:56,798
separate permit for those folks outside

7283
05:34:56,798 --> 05:34:58,718
of business hours.

7284
05:34:58,718 --> 05:34:59,200
>> So,

7285
05:34:59,200 --> 05:35:00,878
>> yeah, I mean, we can we can absolutely

7286
05:35:00,878 --> 05:35:01,840
get you a report.

7287
05:35:01,840 --> 05:35:03,920
>> Okay, that that'd be good because I know

7288
05:35:03,920 --> 05:35:06,798
years back in the 90s when I had to work

7289
05:35:06,798 --> 05:35:08,638
uh when I was brought downtown, I had to

7290
05:35:08,638 --> 05:35:11,360
rent a spot several blocks up, I paid

7291
05:35:11,360 --> 05:35:13,760
$25 a month then in a parking garage.

7292
05:35:13,760 --> 05:35:17,920
So, and that that was what 30 more years

7293
05:35:17,920 --> 05:35:20,638
back.

7294
05:35:20,638 --> 05:35:26,548
So it's it's another way to make money.

7295
05:35:26,558 --> 05:35:28,240
» Yeah. Give us some numbers.

7296
05:35:28,240 --> 05:35:29,200
>> We got to look at that.

7297
05:35:29,200 --> 05:35:30,558
>> And not everybody pays for it. Just

7298
05:35:30,558 --> 05:35:31,680
those people that are using the

7299
05:35:31,680 --> 05:35:32,160
services.

7300
05:35:32,160 --> 05:35:33,360
>> Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.

7301
05:35:33,360 --> 05:35:35,120
>> And in the long run, after about a year

7302
05:35:35,120 --> 05:35:36,878
or two, we'll probably get our

7303
05:35:36,878 --> 05:35:39,120
investment back at it once we start

7304
05:35:39,120 --> 05:35:40,080
doing that. So,

7305
05:35:40,080 --> 05:35:46,070
>> yeah, that's right.

7306
05:35:46,080 --> 05:35:51,040
» All right. Where are we? 30 134

7307
05:35:51,040 --> 05:35:53,280
>> one comment. The public works fees are

7308
05:35:53,280 --> 05:35:56,080
paying with this budget cycle.

7309
05:35:56,080 --> 05:35:59,520
>> Yeah, we created a right ofway permit,

7310
05:35:59,520 --> 05:36:02,000
but we didn't create a fee with it. And

7311
05:36:02,000 --> 05:36:03,920
as Tom's been administering it, people

7312
05:36:03,920 --> 05:36:05,600
been asking, okay, what do I owe you?

7313
05:36:05,600 --> 05:36:07,520
And didn't have anything to point to.

7314
05:36:07,520 --> 05:36:09,120
So,

7315
05:36:09,120 --> 05:36:14,310
there's a start.

7316
05:36:14,320 --> 05:36:16,320
» And what does the rightway fee cover?

7317
05:36:16,320 --> 05:36:18,000
pretty much it's things like driveway

7318
05:36:18,000 --> 05:36:21,280
cuts, um work in the rightway by utility

7319
05:36:21,280 --> 05:36:25,190
companies.

7320
05:36:25,200 --> 05:36:27,120
» It's and it's it performs several

7321
05:36:27,120 --> 05:36:28,558
issues. One of which is accountability

7322
05:36:28,558 --> 05:36:30,878
for safety so we can account for the

7323
05:36:30,878 --> 05:36:32,400
people who are in our right away manage

7324
05:36:32,400 --> 05:36:34,558
that liability.

7325
05:36:34,558 --> 05:36:36,160
It's not just we're not just doing it

7326
05:36:36,160 --> 05:36:38,320
because we can. It's got a practical

7327
05:36:38,320 --> 05:36:40,000
function to it.

7328
05:36:40,000 --> 05:36:43,200
Yeah, we we the the town, you recall,

7329
05:36:43,200 --> 05:36:46,240
had some problems with

7330
05:36:46,240 --> 05:36:48,638
particularly with utilities that were

7331
05:36:48,638 --> 05:36:51,200
busting up the rightway and then either

7332
05:36:51,200 --> 05:36:53,600
not fixing it at all or doing a lousy

7333
05:36:53,600 --> 05:37:00,320
job. And um Bart and then Merrick Black

7334
05:37:00,320 --> 05:37:01,680
asked, "Is there something we can do

7335
05:37:01,680 --> 05:37:04,080
about this?" And I read through the code

7336
05:37:04,080 --> 05:37:05,600
very carefully and I said, "There are

7337
05:37:05,600 --> 05:37:07,440
these two sections of code that says

7338
05:37:07,440 --> 05:37:10,558
that we can require permits for this."

7339
05:37:10,558 --> 05:37:12,080
And

7340
05:37:12,080 --> 05:37:14,240
um Bart said, "Well, I don't remember

7341
05:37:14,240 --> 05:37:16,878
anybody ever having done that. So why

7342
05:37:16,878 --> 05:37:19,280
don't we come up with a policy?" And so

7343
05:37:19,280 --> 05:37:20,958
after that bounced around for a little

7344
05:37:20,958 --> 05:37:23,760
while, Tom and Bart and I put together a

7345
05:37:23,760 --> 05:37:26,400
policy loosely based upon Lynchberg's

7346
05:37:26,400 --> 05:37:29,360
and Ron Oak's policy, but sort of looser

7347
05:37:29,360 --> 05:37:31,360
and more user friendly for a place

7348
05:37:31,360 --> 05:37:33,840
that's, you know, a tenth of the size of

7349
05:37:33,840 --> 05:37:36,080
Ron Oak and Lynchber.

7350
05:37:36,080 --> 05:37:38,320
um in order to cover that as well as

7351
05:37:38,320 --> 05:37:40,160
curb cuts and kind of related stuff

7352
05:37:40,160 --> 05:37:41,920
where people are messing up the right

7353
05:37:41,920 --> 05:37:43,200
way, you're going to have to go out and

7354
05:37:43,200 --> 05:37:46,160
do an inspection and you might have to

7355
05:37:46,160 --> 05:37:48,320
yell at them to get them to fix things

7356
05:37:48,320 --> 05:37:51,280
the right way. So, and there we hadn't

7357
05:37:51,280 --> 05:37:53,360
put a fee in place.

7358
05:37:53,360 --> 05:38:00,070
>> Okay.

7359
05:38:00,080 --> 05:38:01,680
» All right. What questions do you all

7360
05:38:01,680 --> 05:38:07,350
have?

7361
05:38:07,360 --> 05:38:11,270
135 136

7362
05:38:11,280 --> 05:38:17,830
» through 138.

7363
05:38:17,840 --> 05:38:19,520
» Go ahead.

7364
05:38:19,520 --> 05:38:21,760
>> So,

7365
05:38:21,760 --> 05:38:22,320
>> what were

7366
05:38:22,320 --> 05:38:25,920
>> Well, I guess since I mean and don't take this wrong. I guess since

7367
05:38:25,920 --> 05:38:28,958
we're in the the studies, can we Anna,

7368
05:38:28,958 --> 05:38:31,360
would you be able to look at a long

7369
05:38:31,360 --> 05:38:34,000
range forecast five years or whatever

7370
05:38:34,000 --> 05:38:36,878
between revenue staying static and like

7371
05:38:36,878 --> 05:38:39,680
you said you expenses you've kind of I

7372
05:38:39,680 --> 05:38:43,040
think a 2% inflationary rate and see

7373
05:38:43,040 --> 05:38:45,760
what it looks like for us in those years

7374
05:38:45,760 --> 05:38:47,840
as far as the deficit we're running.

7375
05:38:47,840 --> 05:38:50,080
>> Absolutely. Yes, we we would I'll

7376
05:38:50,080 --> 05:38:51,440
definitely have that ready for the

7377
05:38:51,440 --> 05:38:54,638
adopted budget, but um I can tell you

7378
05:38:54,638 --> 05:38:56,160
that the one that we did last year

7379
05:38:56,160 --> 05:38:58,718
showed that we were okay until we lost

7380
05:38:58,718 --> 05:39:01,200
750,000 and at that point that's when

7381
05:39:01,200 --> 05:39:04,708
everything flipped.

7382
05:39:04,718 --> 05:39:06,558
» But it would you would be able to tell

7383
05:39:06,558 --> 05:39:09,280
us kind of what that deficit might look

7384
05:39:09,280 --> 05:39:10,878
like. So we could say if we made up

7385
05:39:10,878 --> 05:39:12,558
$130,000

7386
05:39:12,558 --> 05:39:14,320
in revenue, we could do this or

7387
05:39:14,320 --> 05:39:17,910
whatever. But

7388
05:39:17,920 --> 05:39:20,000
I I would speculate that next year will

7389
05:39:20,000 --> 05:39:21,520
be

7390
05:39:21,520 --> 05:39:25,440
that that 750. You'll get a better idea

7391
05:39:25,440 --> 05:39:27,440
next year of what the budget's going to

7392
05:39:27,440 --> 05:39:29,840
look like because that's going to go

7393
05:39:29,840 --> 05:39:33,280
away. So that will determine what

7394
05:39:33,280 --> 05:39:35,440
changes, if any, you'll have to

7395
05:39:35,440 --> 05:39:38,400
>> make as far as taxes increases.

7396
05:39:38,400 --> 05:39:40,798
>> You just want to get when that happens.

7397
05:39:40,798 --> 05:39:43,040
>> I'm I'm going to s be sitting right back

7398
05:39:43,040 --> 05:39:45,920
here listening to you guys. brother.

7399
05:39:45,920 --> 05:39:48,080
That's

7400
05:39:48,080 --> 05:39:52,480
>> Hey, might say, "Hey, don't do that."

7401
05:39:52,480 --> 05:39:54,958
That's I mean, again, I think it's to me

7402
05:39:54,958 --> 05:39:56,400
it's kind of like a social security

7403
05:39:56,400 --> 05:39:58,718
thing that you know, Congress would have

7404
05:39:58,718 --> 05:40:00,400
been able to fix it 30 years ago. It

7405
05:40:00,400 --> 05:40:02,718
would have been small incremental and

7406
05:40:02,718 --> 05:40:04,080
when they finally fix, it's going to be

7407
05:40:04,080 --> 05:40:04,718
a huge thing.

7408
05:40:04,718 --> 05:40:06,320
>> But, but let me let me say this to all

7409
05:40:06,320 --> 05:40:09,760
of you. I I I do compliment you all. I

7410
05:40:09,760 --> 05:40:11,920
think you're on the right track. you're

7411
05:40:11,920 --> 05:40:14,480
thinking ahead and what I call the

7412
05:40:14,480 --> 05:40:17,440
vision is what you just said Dave you're

7413
05:40:17,440 --> 05:40:19,600
looking three four five years down the

7414
05:40:19,600 --> 05:40:22,558
road is to how good or how bad things

7415
05:40:22,558 --> 05:40:25,200
could be and but you don't wait till

7416
05:40:25,200 --> 05:40:27,360
then you get proactive and do something

7417
05:40:27,360 --> 05:40:30,160
about it now to address it and that's

7418
05:40:30,160 --> 05:40:32,718
what we've got to do you can't wait till

7419
05:40:32,718 --> 05:40:36,000
it happens and then say oh the bridge is

7420
05:40:36,000 --> 05:40:38,080
falling down you've got to fix the

7421
05:40:38,080 --> 05:40:41,280
bridge and get it ready to go through

7422
05:40:41,280 --> 05:40:44,240
that that area. So, so no, you're

7423
05:40:44,240 --> 05:40:48,718
exactly right. If we had any idea of

7424
05:40:48,718 --> 05:40:50,798
five years from now what it would

7425
05:40:50,798 --> 05:40:52,558
definitely look like, we know what to

7426
05:40:52,558 --> 05:40:55,840
do. But yes, if Ann or staff could get

7427
05:40:55,840 --> 05:40:59,840
us a rough crystal ball idea and it'll

7428
05:40:59,840 --> 05:41:00,958
give us more direction,

7429
05:41:00,958 --> 05:41:01,280
>> right,

7430
05:41:01,280 --> 05:41:03,120
>> as to what what we need to do moving

7431
05:41:03,120 --> 05:41:05,360
forward. You're and and I I'd encourage

7432
05:41:05,360 --> 05:41:08,000
you guys to think that way. continue to

7433
05:41:08,000 --> 05:41:10,638
look ahead and ask those type questions

7434
05:41:10,638 --> 05:41:13,200
because I mean there's so much

7435
05:41:13,200 --> 05:41:16,718
volatility here electric uh all that

7436
05:41:16,718 --> 05:41:18,718
stuff we just you don't know and you

7437
05:41:18,718 --> 05:41:21,600
can't say well we don't need this or

7438
05:41:21,600 --> 05:41:23,760
don't need that because like electric

7439
05:41:23,760 --> 05:41:27,760
public works police they're out there in

7440
05:41:27,760 --> 05:41:29,680
all types of weather. So you got to

7441
05:41:29,680 --> 05:41:31,840
understand some things they've got to

7442
05:41:31,840 --> 05:41:35,760
have and and what what type of service

7443
05:41:35,760 --> 05:41:37,440
do we want to give the customer,

7444
05:41:37,440 --> 05:41:37,760
>> right?

7445
05:41:37,760 --> 05:41:39,360
>> And that's what it's about.

7446
05:41:39,360 --> 05:41:41,360
>> Customer service.

7447
05:41:41,360 --> 05:41:41,680
>> So

7448
05:41:41,680 --> 05:41:44,638
>> and I just Yeah. Yeah. And I'll shut I

7449
05:41:44,638 --> 05:41:47,440
won't shut up. One thing

7450
05:41:47,440 --> 05:41:48,320
Well, I don't want you to.

7451
05:41:48,320 --> 05:41:50,878
>> I know. It's just that also, like you

7452
05:41:50,878 --> 05:41:53,360
say, being proactive and not having to,

7453
05:41:53,360 --> 05:41:56,160
you know, kneejerk it is it gives now

7454
05:41:56,160 --> 05:41:57,680
that Woody's going to be coming online,

7455
05:41:57,680 --> 05:42:00,958
it gives him a chance to communicate the

7456
05:42:00,958 --> 05:42:02,958
reasoning behind what we're doing.

7457
05:42:02,958 --> 05:42:03,360
>> Yes.

7458
05:42:03,360 --> 05:42:06,240
>> And it, you know, so people can't say we

7459
05:42:06,240 --> 05:42:06,798
didn't,

7460
05:42:06,798 --> 05:42:07,120
>> right?

7461
05:42:07,120 --> 05:42:08,958
>> You know, give them inform them or or

7462
05:42:08,958 --> 05:42:10,400
those kind of things. So,

7463
05:42:10,400 --> 05:42:13,440
>> yeah, good deal.

7464
05:42:13,440 --> 05:42:16,080
>> All right,

7465
05:42:16,080 --> 05:42:18,400
Dave. Any more questions?

7466
05:42:18,400 --> 05:42:20,798
No sir, Mr. Mayor.

7467
05:42:20,798 --> 05:42:22,558
>> Any more questions?

7468
05:42:22,558 --> 05:42:24,080
>> Mr.

7469
05:42:24,080 --> 05:42:25,040
Mayor.

7470
05:42:25,040 --> 05:42:26,000
>> Well,

7471
05:42:26,000 --> 05:42:29,110
>> no.

7472
05:42:29,120 --> 05:42:31,440
Councilman Haley,

7473
05:42:31,440 --> 05:42:32,160
>> you good?

7474
05:42:32,160 --> 05:42:33,120
>> I'm good.

7475
05:42:33,120 --> 05:42:34,080
>> You sure?

7476
05:42:34,080 --> 05:42:34,878
>> I'm sure.

7477
05:42:34,878 --> 05:42:36,320
>> All right. Unless you want to go back to

7478
05:42:36,320 --> 05:42:39,120
page seven,

7479
05:42:39,120 --> 05:42:41,440
>> start all over again. He's getting his

7480
05:42:41,440 --> 05:42:42,160
clues. Don't worry.

7481
05:42:42,160 --> 05:42:44,798
>> I've been stuck on page 132 for two

7482
05:42:44,798 --> 05:42:47,440
hours. Councilman Fman, what do you

7483
05:42:47,440 --> 05:42:50,558
have? I don't know. Council Defilito,

7484
05:42:50,558 --> 05:42:52,798
you're good. You You're packed up, ready

7485
05:42:52,798 --> 05:42:53,680
to go.

7486
05:42:53,680 --> 05:42:57,840
>> I got to be at Aban Hill in 20 minutes.

7487
05:42:57,840 --> 05:43:00,400
>> I do have one request. When the budget

7488
05:43:00,400 --> 05:43:02,558
process is complete, if everyone could

7489
05:43:02,558 --> 05:43:05,040
turn the binder back in, I would like to

7490
05:43:05,040 --> 05:43:12,868
reuse it next year and save on cost.

7491
05:43:12,878 --> 05:43:17,200
» Hands it on down. Hey, I figured

7492
05:43:17,200 --> 05:43:20,160
>> I've got a whole box of container of the

7493
05:43:20,160 --> 05:43:21,520
old ones. You want those?

7494
05:43:21,520 --> 05:43:22,160
>> Yeah, absolutely.

7495
05:43:22,160 --> 05:43:26,400
>> I'll bring them in. I'll give them

7496
05:43:26,400 --> 05:43:27,120
good.

7497
05:43:27,120 --> 05:43:32,240
>> Is Is Bill's over yet? Yeah. Bills