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Second, 2020, six meeting of the Carbero Town Council. This is a regular business meeting this evening. And we will start out a single case.

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We'll start our meeting off as we do all of our meetings with a poetry reading from

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our

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a poem by Black queer poet named Jericho Brown. He is rooted in Atlanta and this is from his collection,

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the tradition, I'd actually won the Pulitzer Prize. And this is a poem called Four Day in the Morning.

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My mother grew morning glory, he's that spilled onto the walkway toward her porch,

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because she was a woman with land who showed as much by giving it color.

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She told me I could have whatever I worked for.

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That means she was an American.

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But she'd say it was because she believed in God.

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I am ashamed of America and can founded by God.

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I thank God for my citizenship in spite of the time

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or set on my life to write these words.

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I love my mother.

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I love black women who plant flowers as sheepish as their sons.

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By the time the blooms unfurled themselves for a few hours of light, the women who

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tend them are already at work, blue.

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I'll never know who started the lie that we are lazy, but I'd love to wake that bastard

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up a four day in the morning, toss him in a truck and drive him under God, past every bus stop

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in America to see all those black folk waiting to go to work for whatever they want. A house,

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a boy to keep the lawn cut, some color in the yard, my God, we leave things green. Thank you.

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Very good, Dr. Bennett.

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We thank you so much for that poem, and so we'll move right into proclamations.

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We are going to start out with our Pride Month proclamation brought to you by Mayor

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Protem, Pesada Orozco, and Councilmember Frey.

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All right.

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We've got a joint reading tonight.

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I'm going to start it off.

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Whereas Lesbian gay bisexual transgender and queer LGBTQ plus Pride Month is celebrated nationally.

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each year in June to commemorate the Stonewall riots of 1969, and whereas the town of

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Carborough has a proud history of advancing the rights of LGBTQ plus people, including

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adding sexual orientation to the list of protected categories in the town's equal employment

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opportunity policy in 1990, being the first municipality in the state to create a domestic

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partner registry in 1994, being among the first to support civil marriage for same-sex couples

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and inclusion of LGBTQ plus families in comprehensive immigration reform.

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Being the first to call for a repeal of the discriminatory House Bill 2 in 2016, being among

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the first with the towns of Hillsboro and Chapel Hill and Orange County to adopt the local

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ordinance prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations and employment in 2021.

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And whereas the town of Carbero has been a pioneer in queer representation, with 28 consecutive

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years of LGBTQ plus mayors after being the first to elect a gay mayor in 1995 and later the

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first to elect a lesbian mayor in 2013 and the first to elect a second gay mayor in 2021

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having elected multiple LGBTQ plus older men and council members and being first to elect a

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Latinx LGBTQ plus council member in 2022 and being the first to elect a non-binary council member in

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plus people.

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LGBTQ plus people, especially trans people,

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and LGBTQ plus people of color,

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experience disproportionately high rates of poverty.

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Over 30% of trans and gender non-conforming people

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have experienced homelessness.

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LGBTQ plus youth make up a disproportionate number

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of homeless youth in the United States,

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and LGBTQ plus youth experience high rates

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of bullying, harassment, and parental rejection,

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with a company and heightened risk of depression, anxiety,

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and suicidal ideation, and whereas the general assembly continues to target LGBTQ plus

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people through laws such as House Bill 574, which prevents trans youth from participating

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in middle and high school sports. House Bill 808, which bans best practice medical care for

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trans youth, and Senate Bill 49, North Carolina's own don't say gay bill, which were all vetoed

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by North Carolina Governor, then Roy Cooper, and later overturned by the Republican members of

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General Assembly.

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And whereas the town of Carber was committed to defending the human rights of LGBTQ

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people and ensuring that all residents, regardless of their sexual orientation, gender

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identity and gender expression are treated with respect and dignity.

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And whereas in 2024, Carber received a high score of 91 out of 100 in the municipal equality

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index, a measure to of how inclusive a town's laws, policies, and services of LGBTQ people are.

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And whereas the town of Carbero and the town of Chapel Hill have long been partners

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in affirming their opposition to discrimination, prejudice, homophobia, and transphobia, and

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where we share commitment to create a place where all are welcome.

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And whereas the town of Carbero and the town of Chapel Hill co-host small town pride, a series

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of celebrations that include community and partner events, like Carbero Oduyo Pride happening

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here in Carbero in a couple of weeks.

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Therefore, I, let's have a look at that in the name of Barbara M. Fushi, Mayor of the

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town of Carbero, hereby proclaim June 26th to be Pride Month in Carbero. I encourage all

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residents of Carbero to celebrate and affirm the LGBTQ family members, friends, and neighbors

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to take action to defend their human rights and to participate in small town pride events

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in Carbero and Chapel Hill throughout this month.

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This, the second day of June, 2026.

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Oh, yeah.

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Before we bring on a one of our local community members

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who was here to receive the proclamation

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as she shares some comments, I wanted to thank my colleagues

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of course, Council Member Frey and all of you

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on this dias for the continued support

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of queer people here in North Carolina

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in Carbero and North Carolina.

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And to all the staff of Carbero for their continued engagement

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with our community. In a time where we have over last time we checked over 500 legislative

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attacks against queer people all over the United States, we need local communities like

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Carbrod to continue to stand up. Here North Carolina, just last session, we had 13 anti-LGVT

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Q builds. We were able to defeat 12 of them, and every time we had advocacy in the legislature,

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not only we have my colleagues there, whether it's in person or through their continued support.

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We also have residents of Carbero showing up.

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So, to the council, to the staff and to all the members of Carbero, thank you so much for

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your continued support of the Corps of Community.

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With that, I would, you want to invite our guests?

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I have one off the cuff thought.

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As I was walking here, somebody asked me looking up at town hall, which is flying several

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pride flags right now.

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So they asked me, you know, didn't the general assembly ban those and they had like some bill where they were going to regulate what flags towns could fly to stop towns from flying pride flags?

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I said, yeah, but they didn't, and we're not touching those flags.

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You know, we're not going to roll over.

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We're going to keep doing what we are here to do and upholding our values.

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So thank you very much for your attention.

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and I'd like to ask Cody Meyer to come up to receive the Proclamation and say anything they'd like to.

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Welcome Cody.

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Hello to the council. Hello everyone in attendance.

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I am very honored to receive this Proclamation.

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I moved here in July of 2023.

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I am Transmask, non-binary.

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A lot of different flavors of queer.

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I came from a place that was not as inviting, actually, I would say it was a little bit homophobic

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and a lot of respects,

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and moving here was like a breath of fresh air.

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In that, I felt like I could finally breathe.

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I have been loved and supported by this community, and I thank you so much for keeping it

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a safe town for me to live in and with my family and my wonderful wife who I love with all

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my heart to finally hopefully thrive.

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So please keep doing what you're doing, please keep fighting.

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It means the world to me and I think to every other LGBT plus person in this town.

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Thank you.

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Good

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evening everyone. Good evening. I have two more proclamations for this evening. The first one is in honor of pollinator week.

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Whereas pollinators, including bees, butterflies, birds, and beneficial insects, are the silent

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architects of our ecosystem, essential for biodiversity and the agricultural productivity that

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sustains us.

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And whereas, our local farmers, gardeners, and conservationists depend on these species to grow

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the fruits, vegetables, and natural beauty that define carburals, economy, and character.

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And we're as global pollinator populations face unprecedented threats from habitat loss and pesticide use, making local conservation efforts more urgent than ever.

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And we're as the town leads by example through the installation of native bean nesting sites, the maintenance of dedicated pollinator gardens and the restoration of riparian buffers with native flora.

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And whereas every resident and business can play a vital role in this effort by planting native species,

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reducing chemical use and protecting the natural habitats that serve as life support for these species.

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Now, therefore, I, Barbara Infushi, mayor of the town of Carber, North Carolina, do hereby proclaim June 22, through June 28,

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2020-26 to be pollinator-week and carburel, be it further resolve that the town council

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calls upon all residents to champion the protection of our pollinators.

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We urge our community to plant natives, reduce pesticide use and cultivate pollinator-friendly

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landscapes to ensure carburel remains a sanctuary for generations to come for the pollinators

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That's the stainless. This the second day of June 2026. And accepting is Scott Nure.

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See you at member. Welcome Scott.

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Well, thank you for having me. I believe the proclamation sort of sums up a lot of the, you know,

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the reasons this is important. I just wanted to read a little poem author unknown to me.

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Just to give you a moment to reflect on all the insects provided basically every time we go to the grocery store and we're in the produce section.

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while those fruits depend on pollinators and so they're the sort of the bases of our food chain.

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So let's put them about that.

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A flutter of gold and a dusting of wings,

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a quiet vital dance is the warm season springs.

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From the deep, sleepy blossom to the open blue sky,

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the keepers of harvest go buzzing on by.

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Without their small footprints, the gardens would fade,

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and leave us without all the beauty they made.

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From the tiniest meadow to the towering tree, the whole world depends on a hard working

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bee.

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Thank you so much for that Scott and for accepting the proclamation.

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The last proclamation is to raise awareness about national gun violence awareness

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day and whereas every day more than 130 to Americans are killed by gun violence and more

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300 are shot or wounded and whereas Americans are 26 times more likely to be murdered

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with guns than people in other developed countries and whereas firearms are the

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leading cause of death for American children and teens and whereas North Carolina

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ranks 19th amongst states for gun deaths in the United States with an average of 16.3

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death.

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1,500,000 people, every day, with 58% of gun-related deaths by suicide. And whereas, support for the

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second amendment rights of law-abiding citizens goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns away from dangerous

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people. And whereas, together with our neighbors, in Orange County, Chapel Hill and Hillsborough,

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The town of Carboro supports efforts to enact common sense gun safety laws and educate and educate the community on gun safety.

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And whereas anyone can join this campaign by pledging to wear orange on this Friday, June 5th, to help raise awareness about gun violence.

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And we're as, by wearing orange on June 5th, Americans will raise awareness about gun violence and honor the lives and lost human potential of Americans stolen by gun violence.

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And whereas we renew our commitment to reduce gun violence and pledge to do all we can to keep firearms out of the wrong hands and encourage responsible gun ownership to help keep our children safe.

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Now therefore we now therefore okay the way this is where it. Now therefore we the

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Carborough Mayor and town council here by proclaim June 5th, 2026. It's the National

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Gun Violence Awareness Day in Carborough and encourage everyone to support the local

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communities efforts to prevent the tragic effects of gun violence and to honor

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and value human lives as well as to advocate with state and local elected officials

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for passage to maintain an inact commonsense gun legislation. This is the second day of June

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2026 and police chief Chris Ateck will accept this proclamation and while he's coming on Friday

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at 9 a.m. at peace and justice plaza. There will be our annual gun violence awareness event.

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It is joint with Orange County, Chapel Hill, Carboro, and Hillsboro, and representing our

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council will be council member for a joiner.

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And so, come on out, there'll be tabling and speeches in the reading of a joint proclamation,

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T-Fate.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Council members, you know, as I reflect on this issue, the harm that I've seen in my career,

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the damage to folks in the community, the anxiety and the fear.

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This is a challenging issue, and I think Carber were very lucky, but we also have the impacts

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here.

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We've seen them recently, and I just feel grateful for the folks that I work with our

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first responders that are there.

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We've got a lot of mental health initiatives going on now in the county.

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We've got the care team going out there, trying to connect to folks in crisis, to decinflate,

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trying to de-escalate, trying to support folks so we don't get to that level, right, because the prevention is a large part of that.

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And then to all the community organizations, all the volunteers, all the folks, safe kids, all these that are trying to do their part to address this issue.

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So I feel very grateful to be part of a team as well as an partnership with the community.

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So thank you very much, Mayor.

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Okay, so we're down to our town managers update, town manager Tony.

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Good

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evening Madam Mayor and Council members.

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Just wanted to reiterate all of the events that we have in June.

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Please visit our website.

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We have some great events for pride for June,

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for Frederick Douglass reading and so forth.

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So please visit our website, carbrollnc.gov

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to get update on our June activities in the town.

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Also, just to mention there are probably questions

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around what's happening on NC54 and so this is a partnership with NCDOT that is creating some

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pedestrian improvements on NC54 at Abbey Road near rural park apartments as well as Westbrook

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Road near Carolina apartments. This project should be completed around the end of this year and the

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with all have bus stops on both sides of the highway.

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They will be also refuge islands in the median

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and will allow pedestrians to walk across the highway

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until the next signal.

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So we're excited.

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Anytime there's opportunities for pedestrians

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say DNA improvements in car rural.

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And that's it, Mayor, thank you.

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Thank you, town manager Tony.

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We are now down to the public comment period.

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And I have one person signed up, comments are limited to food minutes per speaker ask that

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you adhere to those three minutes.

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And as a time line stand, please try to finish up your comments and prepare to take

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your seat.

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And so the council wants to keep the public comment period equitable for everyone.

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And the only person signed up for General Public Comment is at the podium, welcome Bill.

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Good evening council.

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First of all, I want to start off and just mention that everything

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I have to say is my own personal opinion, I'm not speaking on behalf of anybody else.

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As I had said a day, previous meeting, I wish that you would change the name of the town and

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be done with the car in his history. I believe that calling this the town of progressive would

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the most apt name to describe the people that live here. And it would also avoid a lot of

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arguments.

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Last year I sent an email about a self-described nonprofit called Opportunity

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South Carolina. And I included this town council in that email. I heard nothing more from

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Tammy Grooper. Good for her. Had a front page article in the Rally News and Observer.

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This passed April 13th. Non-profit partnerships are reducing local tax revenues.

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A week later, April 20th, a different reporter also for the News and Observer.

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Had an article on the top of the front page, lawmakers put property tax cap on NC ballot and

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loopholes.

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The article on the 13th, again, with Tammy Gruber, it says, in Orange County, the

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loopholes affected five properties valued at a total of $56.6 million this year, creating

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A 742,844 dollar loss, a property tax revenues, four more properties.

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Owners are seeking exemptions next year for a total potential revenue loss of about $1 million.

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Data shows. These are the words of Tammy Gruber and another reporter with the Rally News and Reserve.

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Carbure is the most significantly affected town, followed by Chapel Hill in Hillsboro,

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doing part to older, more affordable apartment complexes.

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Chapel Hill Carbure city schools are also losing significant public dollars, data shows.

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So I really think that if I hadn't sound the alarm, nobody would have noticed, because

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when a document is recorded in the public registry.

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It's like the ending of that 1980s film,

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the Riders of the Lost Ark, where something

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gets put in a box in this warehouse,

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and basically won't get found.

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You would be surprised what I have found,

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and I wish you would be nicer to me.

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Thank you so much, Bill, for your public comment.

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We have one item on our consent agenda. Council members is approval of the minutes from the

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town council meeting held on May 19th, 2026. So we just need a motion to approve those

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minutes. I moved it. We approve the minutes.

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All right. It's been moved and properly seconded that we approve the minutes from the town

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Council meeting on May 19th, 2026. All in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries

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70, the minutes from that date are approved and we're moving to the next item, which

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is the public hearing time manager Tony. I want to introduce that item.

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This is our second opportunity for public hearing on the budget for the F. Black 27 budget

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and capital improvement plan.

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Welcome, Mr. Keys.

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I'll go ahead and open up the public hearing.

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Thank you.

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Give us a short presentation, I imagine.

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You know, we'll hear from members of the public.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor.

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And town council members.

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This evening, I will be providing all

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with an overview of the manager's recommended budget

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and capital improvement plan.

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The total F-277 recommended budget is $44.6 million

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across all funds. The managed recommended budget is balanced, meaning that total revenues

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plus available fund balance equals total expenditures.

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This slide shows a breakdown of our

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revenue sources by type in the general fund. Property taxes count for 56% and it serves as

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our main source of revenue.

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The total recurring revenue is 33.4 million dollars.

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The recommended budget doesn't include fund-bounce appropriation, which represents 8% of the general fund budget, which is $36.2 million.

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Here are some revenue budget drivers. The first driver is the Blue Ridge Lupo, which will have a negative impact on our property tax base.

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we are projecting a decrease of $82 million with a potential revenue loss of $463,000.

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However, we are projecting modest growth across other revenue sources such as local sales

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and use taxes, fees, and permits.

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As I've mentioned in the previous slide, the recommended budget does include fund balance

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appropriation of $2.76 million, and that is to support one-time expenses related to tropical

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storms on tall and recurring expenses ordered to close the revenue and expense gap.

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Demandagers recommend a budget does not include a property tax increase.

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The rate will remain at 56.53 since per $100 of assessed value.

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This slide shows a breakdown of our expenditures by function in the general fund.

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Our top areas are public safety, general government, and public works.

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Here are some of our expenditure budget drivers by category in the general fund personnel.

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The recommended budget does include livable wage and permutation, which will require us to make adjustments to our current pay plan.

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The recommended budget addresses the rising cost of health insurance and includes a 2.5% cost of living adjustment.

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Operations, the recommended budget allows us to continue maintaining current service levels,

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provide free transit services to the community, our contract with the town in Chapel Hill,

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will be increasing by 217,000.

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And the budget allows us to cover one time expenses related to tropical storm trot hall recovery

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and that includes expenses, leases, and supplies.

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Our last category is transfers, our transfer schedule includes transferring funding from the general fund to the parking fund to provide free

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services to community and to provide one-time transfer for capital projects related to

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Trump, Trump, Trump, and Trump recovery.

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Let's move on to our capital improvement plan.

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The recommended CIP includes 43 proposed projects and one of those projects is the full-in-creak

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phases 3 and 4 and the revenue source to offset the cost.

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It will be debt financing.

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The proposed investment for FY27 is $5.6 million and the impact to the general fund is $1.7 million.

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Overall, five-year estimate costs is approximately $71.6 million.

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The investment priorities include infrastructure and mobility, sustainability initiatives,

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888 improvements and storm recovery and resilience.

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So what's happening next?

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Today June 2nd, we will have our second public hearing.

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And after that, we will have a motion to adopt FY27 budget

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and the capital improvement plan.

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That concludes my overview.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much, Mr. Keyes.

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Council members will have a public

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I presume that maybe there will be questions or comments afterwards.

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So that's okay.

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have, and first on the list, Mr. Robertson is making a way up, Diane Robertson, and have comments about the budget.

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Right, thank you. So I did want to note that the last full-fledged, showed resilience and sustainability as a priority in the budget.

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Diane Robertson, resident of Carveros since 1991, I live in Spring Valley along Bowen Creek,

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and I am on record on this matter before the Council since 2011.

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I know that the Friends of Bowen Creek have sent a letter to the mayor and to manager Tony

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to this matter as well.

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So for the record again, this area is still a floodplain and will remain a floodplain.

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The destruction of tropical storm shuntile is fresh and still evident.

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This area is a sensitive riparian buffer that must be protected as noted in today's

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pollinator proclamation.

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It is physically irresponsible to commit resources to this project.

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There are certainly higher priorities for taxpayer dollars in this economically challenging

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time.

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If there is an extra 500,000 for an engineering study in 20 million to complete the project in the Treasury,

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perhaps it should be saved for the upcoming maintenance at a time when FEMA, which I also noted in your report, may not exist.

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That is the current situation that FEMA is under destruction and may not have the resources that we have relied on in the past.

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We're there a concrete path during Shantau.

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It would have been moved into the creek.

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That is a fact, water always wins.

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And we see the evidence of that still from Shantau.

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So thank you for considering this and thinking about this very strongly as you look at the budget

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and what our priorities need to be.

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Thank you so much, Mr. Robertson, for your comments.

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Next, Melba.

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Could you pronounce your last name, so I won't rub the arrow.

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And Tilly Peck?

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Or Peck?

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Peck.

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All right.

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So each of you are talking for three minutes each.

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Sharing the three minutes or less.

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Thank you.

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Welcome.

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Till we pick 144 Northfield Circle.

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Thank you for having us.

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And number of RO 405 James Street.

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Dear Mayor and Council on May 30th, 2026, a group of citizens of Carbon North Carolina, convened

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to discuss our concerns about the fiscal 202627 budget proposed by Tom Council in management

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staff.

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The document, which you have been shared with you, outlined system level and project specific

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issues recommended for remediation prior to approving the budget.

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There are five issues that we have highlighted that we believe require remediation.

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I'm going to summarize them briefly and then go into detail.

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The first one is showcasing the financial stewardship that is actually behind the budget.

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It's unclear.

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Number two is providing clarity around funding.

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Number three is adhering to open government decision making.

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Number four is holding on to the Bolin Creek Greenway projects, and number five is continuing human services support.

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I'll start with the first one, showcasing financial stewardship.

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The effective financial stewardship of the town's resources, with 56% coming from property taxes, is unclear in the documentation.

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This issue is exacerbated by seemingly insufficient attention and resources for economic development

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strategies and projects. We, as a group, recommend a task force composed of financial professionals

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and carbo residents be created and funded for the purpose of reviewing and providing feedback

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on the town's financial strategy, decision making governance and reporting with processes

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and results being shared with the community prior to the fiscal 28 budget public hearings.

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Item number two, provide funding clarity.

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Carbero homeowners saw a significant spike in mortgage payments

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and cost burden resulting from last year's massive property re-evaluations.

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And yet this year's general fund is 1% lower than last year.

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The current budget does not reflect the additional revenue generated by the increase

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in property tax revenues. We recommend clearly documenting how funds from increased property

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revenue are being deployed. We also recommend that carbo not increased property tax in any

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amount for fiscal 2627. I'll do one more you do it in plus two. Item number three, adhere

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to open government decision making. The current economic and socio-political climate has

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direct impact on the citizens of the town of Carboro. We are concerned that the town's

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current approach and practices to the capital improvement plan CIP creates a financial

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risk that is not clearly recognized or understood by town residents. As a result, we recommend

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clear documentation of processes, community engagement, governance and reporting of all new

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that financing.

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Consistent with a town's goal of pursuing

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participatory budgeting as outlined in carburels

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in carburel connects.

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The balancing strategy that refers to

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that financing.

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I'm going to ask you to finish up or either pass

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over to Melba if you don't want to.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you so much.

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Yeah, you welcome.

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Right there.

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Melba has solid three minutes.

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So the balancing strategy that refers to

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depth financing on the slide 10 of the FY27 recommended

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budget and CIP dated 512, 2026 feels too broad, generic and permissive.

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Number four is hold on bowl and create greenway projects.

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The bowl and create three and four greenway projects constitutes nearly 45% of the FY27

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CIP budget with a projected 20 million future cost.

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Whether the project is a good idea, or is even feasible, is beside the point right

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Now what matters is that town leadership is supporting and recommending a project and resource

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allocation that fails to recognize the risky financial climate we are living in.

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We recommend removing the Bolin 3 and 4 greenway from the FY2627 Capital Improvement Plan.

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And last, continue human services support also because of the current economic climate and

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because of the town of Carbero's historical commitment to race and equity as reflected in the town of Carbero 2022 to 2024 comprehensive plan.

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We strongly oppose cuts in human services funding.

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We recommend openly revisiting options for funding for human services.

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And so we have about 34 signatures of residents and I think mostly reside in northern part of

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the car.

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I don't know.

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They're all everywhere.

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I will just add for my perspective, you know, I'm a single female living by myself, one

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income.

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And, you know, the tax increase has been tremendous.

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It's a tremendous burden right now.

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And so we just asked that you guys consider what's on the docket.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Thank

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you.

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Next up, I have Celia, Pierce, welcome Celia.

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Good evening, mayor and town council.

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I haven't had the pleasure of entrusting you before.

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But I want to add on a live at 307 Ocavenew.

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I want to add one to what Melville was talking about.

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I kind of represent the other end of the spectrum,

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not a young woman living alone, but an older person.

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My family has been in color, but since my grandmother came to town

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in the Battle of Wagon as a child.

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And I'm living in the house that my grandparent, my grandmother was a child in, and I was a child in and my mother was a child in deep, deep roots.

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We worked to have what we have.

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Nothing was given to us.

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We started out with my grandfather working in the mill

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and just passed on a real strong work ethic.

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However, the things that are going on in this country and in this town

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so far as the economics are concerned is causing me a great deal of concern

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about whether or not our family that has been able to work hard, nothing was given to us,

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but being able to pass on and help culture and give back to car bro. Whether or not we're

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going to be able to stay, and I'm saying the we because I'm hoping my son will be able

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to keep our house.

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So I urge you to keep in mind that the decisions

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that are made by the carabero town council

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and we have voting to hear to do this for us,

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for us, your decisions are going to have

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a direct impact on all of us.

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00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:49,210
Thank you very much.

457
00:40:50,330 --> 00:40:51,730
Thank you very much.

458
00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:54,350
Thank you for your comments.

459
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:57,210
Next I have Terry Buckner.

460
00:40:58,850 --> 00:41:00,990
So Terry is okay.

461
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:04,550
Margaret Weiner.

462
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:07,760
Is it Weiner?

463
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:09,020
I hope I said it right.

464
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Welcome Margaret.

465
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:14,260
Well thank you and good evening.

466
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:18,880
I wanted to say I support the suggestions for remediation

467
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,140
in the Carberos Citizens Tax Action Group budget feedback documents.

468
00:41:23,780 --> 00:41:27,440
And I urge you to pay very close attention to the details of those documents.

469
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,900
I want to also underline the point about Poland Creek.

470
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,580
But I also want to add the following.

471
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:36,380
Budgets project the past into the future.

472
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,620
The past appears in the budget plan in the form of old projects,

473
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:42,880
capital improvement projects.

474
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,920
Treading events, more recent events such as Shantal as one time occurrences.

475
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,460
But what if what one's counted as normal is gone?

476
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,040
For the coming year, consider two additional concerns.

477
00:41:59,740 --> 00:42:04,160
Some predicts that the 2026 El Nino may be the strongest one ever.

478
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:09,100
This could lead to more devastating storms as well as droughts.

479
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:14,280
In addition, the closing of the Strait of Hormuz is devastating the world's economy, leading

480
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,140
to massive inflation, which we're all feeling here.

481
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,960
By autumn, there may also be a food crisis due to the war's impact on the availability

482
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,760
of fertilizer and diesel.

483
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:30,240
These issues should figure into planning for the net with the coming year.

484
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,740
Thank you.

485
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,520
Thank you so much for your comments.

486
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:34,240
Margaret.

487
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:43,760
Next, I have Piper, please for not your last name, so I won't murder Honigman, welcome Piper.

488
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:54,220
Hello, I am Piper Honigman, and I live on Hillsborough Road. Good evening Mayor and members of the Council.

489
00:42:55,420 --> 00:43:05,100
Before you cast your vote tonight, I urge you to look honestly at what this budget says about our town's priorities and what it commits our taxpayers to down the road.

490
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:13,440
To absorb rising costs and storm recovery, this budget cuts human services funding by 45%.

491
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:27,880
Yet we are still authorizing $80,000 for the phase 2 design, and I separate 240,000 out of our general fund over the next few years, just to design phases 3 and 4 of the Boeing Creek Greenway.

492
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,800
Actually, building this greenway will cost upwards of 14 million.

493
00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:37,940
Assuming federal grants will cover 80% of that construction.

494
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,980
Carbore tax payers are still legally on the hook for 2.8 million, which we will most likely borrow.

495
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,500
The federal funding is never guaranteed.

496
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,040
If we don't get those grants, the town has paid for a costly design we cannot use.

497
00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:03,540
This greenway project is a want, not a need, and every year we see true need increasing all around us.

498
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,720
Last year was a difficult budget year, and this year is yet another.

499
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:14,120
In fact, last year the greenway design was intentionally excluded because of budget constraints.

500
00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:21,140
Despite how many residents stand up at these meetings to argue against paving through our woods in an active flood zone,

501
00:44:21,140 --> 00:44:25,000
The Council continues to stick to this plan year after year.

502
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,480
Perhaps your support stems from the results of the survey taken a few years ago.

503
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,360
A survey I didn't know about until after the fact, so I went back and I looked at it.

504
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:43,320
There were no concrete numbers referenced nor any of the difficulties or drawbacks or other options like a path along school school road.

505
00:44:45,060 --> 00:44:49,160
Now that we actually have the numbers, the majority of the public speaking to this issue,

506
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,300
these meetings has been against it. Are you hearing something completely different?

507
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,980
Speaker after speaker comes up here, makes their argument, and we hear big-

508
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,020
Basically nothing in response from the council. The project just quietly stays on the agenda.

509
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,380
I would like to know what are your thoughts? What are you hearing?

510
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,140
We are already on the hook for 1.5 million per year just to service our past debt.

511
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,800
If you think I'm being an alarmist, regarding our financial constraints, tell me how I'm wrong.

512
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,640
And explain how more debt is totally affordable.

513
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,400
I believe a paved path through a flood zone when less expensive, less controversial alternative

514
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,580
exists is a bad idea that we should not cram into an already strained budget, and I urge

515
00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:43,080
the Council to strip it from the budget once again, and hopefully for the last time.

516
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,160
Thank you.

517
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,480
Thank you so much, Parker, for your comments.

518
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:52,120
In the last person I have signed up is Rob Cric, welcome, Rob.

519
00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:04,260
I could evening everybody, and I'd just like to state that I also am opposed to paving the path along

520
00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:05,060
Bolin Creek.

521
00:46:05,540 --> 00:46:19,240
I'm not going to go into the budgetary considerations, because I think so many other people have done a very good job of laying out the numbers and the strategies that you need to consider for this budget to sum it up.

522
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:25,120
It's a waste of money, Margaret brought up some global issues, one of the things that came

523
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:31,920
to my mind was there is a lot of activity in the global bond market right now and I don't

524
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,020
think anybody really knows what you're going to be paying for interest rates on a lot

525
00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:41,020
of this debt that you seem to want to take on for the taxpayer of carburel.

526
00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:48,380
I've been talking about this issue since 2009 to you guys.

527
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,580
And you do keep it on the books because staff keeps bringing it up.

528
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:56,800
You guys keep on allocating funds for this thing.

529
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,480
Even though sun gate you're engineering for them that you want to have

530
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,290
design work done on it has already said in their signed and sealed report

531
00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:08,700
that there are a number of issues regarding this path,

532
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:12,100
which are going to make it technically very, very difficult.

533
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,860
It's a really dumb idea.

534
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:16,940
I mean, it just is.

535
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,440
Environmentally, you get to end up taking out a lot of trees along with the creek.

536
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:24,880
That's going to increase sunlight penetration into the water column.

537
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:27,480
That's going to increase temperatures in your water.

538
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,120
That's going to drive algae growth.

539
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,780
It's also going to kill off a lot of biodiversity within the creek.

540
00:47:33,780 --> 00:47:40,280
that creek, pulling creek, drains into Jordan Lake, and that is a drinking water source

541
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:41,500
that you're playing around with.

542
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:46,260
We don't have other drinking water sources in this region except for Jordan Lake.

543
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,560
We have no aquifers.

544
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:54,000
Jordan Lake is the water source for a lot of these towns to use as drinking water.

545
00:47:55,220 --> 00:48:01,720
You're playing around with things, and you don't even understand it, I mean honestly, and

546
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:08,440
For other pathways, the Jordan Lake rules also states that you cannot put in a pathway if there

547
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,040
are a practical alternative that exists.

548
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,260
There are practical alternatives that exist.

549
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:18,540
You can put one along a school school road and you can also wait for the time and the opportunity

550
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:27,260
when it presents itself to put in a green way that goes from the libicotten pathway up the railroad line

551
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:34,000
all the way to Durham. I mean, you can get all the way up to NC-10. And it's just, that would

552
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:39,580
be a regional greenway that would lower your vehicle miles traveled. Right now, this path that

553
00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:43,720
you're talking about is pure recreation. It's as somebody described it, it's paper described,

554
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:50,420
it's a want. It's not a need. This is, it's time to put a Dale on the coffin of this project

555
00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:53,780
and just kill it and be friscally responsible.

556
00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:56,580
Thank you.

557
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,400
Thank you, Mr. Crook, for your comments.

558
00:49:00,060 --> 00:49:03,440
Those are all the folks that I have signed up.

559
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,020
If anyone else wants to speak, I see your hand come on up.

560
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,480
I believe that is Lori Carter, and probably human services.

561
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:14,420
Welcome, Lori.

562
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:18,330
Yes, Matt. Mayor.

563
00:49:18,830 --> 00:49:19,550
It is.

564
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:23,810
Good evening, Mayor, Council members and staff.

565
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:27,470
I am in fact, Lori Carter, living on 209 Simpson Street

566
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:31,570
since for 21 years, having married a townie.

567
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:35,370
Thank you for the opportunity to speak again.

568
00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:37,590
And thank you for those of you who took the town

569
00:49:37,590 --> 00:49:40,470
when you're holiday weekend to respond to my emails,

570
00:49:41,050 --> 00:49:43,690
pleading for additional funding for human services.

571
00:49:46,410 --> 00:49:49,530
I am also here in the face of extraordinary financial

572
00:49:49,530 --> 00:49:57,730
times as otherwise mentioned by other folks, and to ask you to do all that you can do, to

573
00:49:57,730 --> 00:50:00,330
fund human services for fiscal year 2027.

574
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:05,430
I am personally looking for ways that those of

575
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:11,610
us with resources can share them with those in need, whether that's in financial means or

576
00:50:11,610 --> 00:50:17,730
through gifts of time, and I am saying this because people are watching, I invite all of us

577
00:50:17,730 --> 00:50:24,770
or in the the privilege position to do so to do that because it is not going to get this financial

578
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:29,990
situation. It's not going to get solved by the town writing a gargantuan check any more than

579
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:34,370
it is by any one of us doing one part. It's going to take our collective effort to do so.

580
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:42,630
I'm here because I didn't see any change in the proposed budget paperwork. Some here asking again.

581
00:50:43,610 --> 00:50:49,530
And I'm here specifically to plead with you on the behalf of those in our community who cannot be here.

582
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:51,150
Those people work in three jumps.

583
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:56,710
Those elders, those people who are going to rely on the services that have been cut.

584
00:50:56,930 --> 00:51:01,010
And so I ask you, Jeff, consider a new creative.

585
00:51:01,830 --> 00:51:04,890
Honestly, I'm like happy for any way that you want to figure this out.

586
00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:05,630
Go with God.

587
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:07,290
Please do so to please do it.

588
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:08,030
Thank you.

589
00:51:08,730 --> 00:51:12,050
Thank you so much for those comments about human services.

590
00:51:12,050 --> 00:51:21,370
funding, a decision that we have to talk about and make this evening. Is there anyone

591
00:51:21,370 --> 00:51:24,370
else that would like to give public comment?

592
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,660
I just want to really quickly offer if any of you ever want to talk about the route from

593
00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:44,360
Carborough out to Olden, C10 and how we can create a regional greenway that will serve more

594
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,620
people, a lot of a diverse community,

595
00:51:49,460 --> 00:51:52,100
it would be a really good project.

596
00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:56,280
If you want to talk about it, contact me, I'd be happy to talk to you about it.

597
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:03,320
I presented to the Orange County Commissioners a couple of years ago and they love the

598
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:03,820
presentation.

599
00:52:04,340 --> 00:52:05,980
If you want to contact me.

600
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,760
Thank you so much for that information, Mr. Crap, I appreciate it.

601
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:19,700
Since no one else is wanting to give public comment and our speakers are spoken, I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing council members.

602
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:26,200
Just a couple of things ahead of our discussion, which actually

603
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,460
we are going to the action item.

604
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,640
Are there are there any questions for Mr. Keyes any points of clarification.

605
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:46,040
And if not, I've closed the public hearing, and I would just move forward to the adoption

606
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:52,200
where we can discuss, do some discussion, and make a decision if it's the council's

607
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:52,540
pleasure.

608
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,140
Anything from the case?

609
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:57,860
Good.

610
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:08,800
So, we're going to move to the agenda, tell manager Tony, is there anything about our action item?

611
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:16,500
first one that you want to add before we just pop right into it, all right, let's pop into it.

612
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:26,640
So things we have heard colleagues, we have heard that community members do not want to

613
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:34,340
property tax increase in any amount for the next physical year. The recommendation to remove the

614
00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:43,180
three and four greenway from the physical year 2627CIP and the recommendation to openly revisit

615
00:53:43,180 --> 00:53:51,340
options for funding human services, which I think that one we are pretty close to a solution.

616
00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:57,840
We just have to talk it through the night, chew on it a little bit. I'm reading from the

617
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,500
document,

618
00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:07,360
and out of the five items, you know, those were just kind of items that may have

619
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,020
disveble to the surface for our discussion anyway, which is why I'm bringing them up.

620
00:54:17,130 --> 00:54:19,530
So here we are, and

621
00:54:21,830 --> 00:54:27,190
whether we're going to adopt the budget tonight or not, the next opportunity

622
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:35,010
of course would be June 16th if we don't adopt it tonight. There's was also some concern

623
00:54:35,010 --> 00:54:41,470
about us adopting our budget ahead of our inch county. I believe maybe they're scheduled to adopt

624
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:53,250
maybe June 19th. Is it June 19th? I'm not sure what the date I've seen floating around as well

625
00:54:53,250 --> 00:54:56,130
But I agree that it is a Friday, and so I'm not sure if it's correct.

626
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:58,430
Oh, do I take it straight?

627
00:54:58,650 --> 00:54:59,630
That's what I saw at it.

628
00:54:59,710 --> 00:55:00,670
Oh, yeah.

629
00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:01,830
I wasn't.

630
00:55:02,570 --> 00:55:03,190
Confident on either.

631
00:55:04,090 --> 00:55:04,110
Okay.

632
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:08,990
So let's get down to business and decide what we're going to do.

633
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:10,970
Let's discuss two on some of these items.

634
00:55:11,850 --> 00:55:19,230
I think in our last meeting, human services funding, we can go ahead and just start there.

635
00:55:19,230 --> 00:55:27,130
And just hear from council members about what their thoughts are, about how to feel that get.

636
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:29,870
Oh, I see a hit. Council member Palmer.

637
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:48,260
Madam Mayor, I would like to give some comments, but I would like to just start by offering an amendment to match the previous fiscal year's human services funding out of fund balance.

638
00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:56,050
And I want to explain myself a little bit if colleagues will bear with me, briefly, at

639
00:55:58,860 --> 00:56:11,720
our previous meeting, I mentioned potentially doing this with a 0.5-3 cent tax increase after conversations with members of the public.

640
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:15,580
My fellow members of council, the town manager,

641
00:56:17,950 --> 00:56:35,150
I'm given to understand that we are in a fiscal position where we can do this out of fun balance this year and that appropriate limiting functions exist in future fiscal years to do that now.

642
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:41,810
And I believe we have votes tonight to adopt such an amendment to the manager, so I can

643
00:56:41,810 --> 00:56:42,610
admit it, but

644
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:50,740
it pause and speak extremely briefly about the voluntary green way

645
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,080
and note

646
00:56:54,080 --> 00:57:01,020
that from this dias, we do not respond directly to members of the public when they give public

647
00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:09,460
comment. That's not how our procedure works. And there are good reasons for that. That does not mean

648
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,680
that we either agree or disagree with specific comments.

649
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:29,690
I know that my reading, backed by people who have expertise,

650
00:57:31,350 --> 00:57:34,930
is that Ballon Creek faces three and four,

651
00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:39,390
a core to our active transportation, moving forward.

652
00:57:41,330 --> 00:57:47,360
And that we can do this, we should do this

653
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,880
If we want to adapt to climate change,

654
00:57:55,940 --> 00:58:05,160
I trust expertise, I trust experts in their field, I have a degree in information science, I focus with science and metrics.

655
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:16,630
I strongly encourage people to listen to experts in their subject area,

656
00:58:22,380 --> 00:58:24,200
and I should stop there for now.

657
00:58:30,420 --> 00:58:32,500
Can I ask was there was there a motion for any credits?

658
00:58:35,380 --> 00:58:42,540
I'm sorry if you want me to formally I would like to now make a motion and I would ask for a second.

659
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,140
Can I propose some friendly language?

660
00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:46,060
I would accept a friendly.

661
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:54,260
Is this motion, are you going to say the exact amount of money or just whatever money?

662
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:55,300
That's the idea.

663
00:58:55,300 --> 00:59:02,900
let's go. I would like if it's amenable to you colleague to propose that we adopt the budget ordinance

664
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:10,880
with an amendment to allocate an additional $197,130 to the recommended budget to restore human services

665
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:16,260
grants to base level funding to be offset by matching appropriation of fund balance of the general fund.

666
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:23,620
If you're making that motion I will second it. Great doing business with you.

667
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,180
I've got $197,130.

668
00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:36,850
I'm Madam Mayor Fitzgerald, I would add comments to that.

669
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:38,230
Do you have comments?

670
00:59:38,770 --> 00:59:38,990
Oh, go ahead.

671
00:59:39,370 --> 00:59:50,370
Yeah, mostly I just want to reflect on the really strong work by our financial staff to put us in this position.

672
00:59:51,310 --> 00:59:56,810
We have talked about some difficult trade-offs here, and none of our choices have been perfect.

673
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:59,650
And we've had a far-ranging discussion about it through this budget season.

674
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:06,800
Long time listeners of the program will know that I have hesitations in pursuing the strategy that we're pursuing tonight.

675
01:00:09,380 --> 01:00:19,400
We, you know, to restate some points I've made. Every year we don't raise our revenues to keep up with inflation, we are functionally losing revenue.

676
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:25,080
as we too well know in carburetor that means property taxes and sales taxes.

677
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:29,440
I think after conversations that we've had, it's not the year for a tax raise.

678
01:00:30,180 --> 01:00:33,900
Many years are not, more years are not than years that are since I've been on this board.

679
01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:38,860
But we're going to need to, you know, these are recurring expenses.

680
01:00:39,180 --> 01:00:45,340
It is my understanding that we are ahead of our appropriation and fund balance for fiscal year 2025,

681
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,080
and this is like the really good work of our staff.

682
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:53,440
is we had a really good budget that put 3.5 million dollars of fund balance, a preparation

683
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:54,500
in front of us.

684
01:00:54,580 --> 01:00:59,440
And then the really good budgeting work turned into really good finance work to keep us

685
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,840
from actually tapping into that 3.5 million dollars.

686
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:08,200
So relative to FY2025, we are roughly 3.2 million in the black against projected.

687
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:14,160
If I have that right, and that is an extraordinary testament to our financial office.

688
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:23,020
And then, you know, our fund balance policy to kind of underline something that would, like, in the, in the spirit of transparency, because I know that we've heard a lot of comments from people who are motivated about this.

689
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:32,980
Carverose fund balance policy is to carry a fund balance in excess of three times the recommended fund balance that the North Carolina League of Municipalities stipulates.

690
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,840
So, the conservative end of the North Carolina League of Museum of Spalities and the

691
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,660
8 percent, and I think ours is 22, so not quite 8 percent.

692
01:01:42,020 --> 01:01:46,460
We're looking at about 3 times a little bit less than 3 times what the North Carolina League

693
01:01:46,460 --> 01:01:48,440
of Museum of Spalities considers conservative.

694
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:52,620
And I think that that's a wonderful policy for us because I think it puts us in a position

695
01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:58,220
to do what we are doing here tonight, which is to have an avenue toward making

696
01:01:58,220 --> 01:02:09,260
hard choices and listening to our residents and, you know, threading needles that might not be available to us to thread if we were a 8% rather than 22%.

697
01:02:09,260 --> 01:02:13,720
So there's sort of an important conservatism to our policy that I think is very fruit tonight.

698
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:19,260
That's it. We are kicking the revenue can down the road here.

699
01:02:20,060 --> 01:02:21,220
As we have done in the past,

700
01:02:23,260 --> 01:02:27,840
we have questions that we need to disentangle about our strategy and overall locations of human services.

701
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,720
as we sort of tabled in our first discussion.

702
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,820
We had we owe it to ourselves before budget cycle next year

703
01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:39,140
to talk about the special revenue fund

704
01:02:39,140 --> 01:02:40,910
and its relationship to the general fund

705
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,080
and to make that decision without the pressure of cuts.

706
01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:50,300
We were surprised by healthcare increase this year.

707
01:02:50,860 --> 01:02:56,080
We will not be surprised that we can guarantee healthcare increase next year.

708
01:02:57,340 --> 01:03:00,680
And so, between the health care and a couple of other expenses, we're looking at about

709
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,500
three quarters of a cent next year off the bat to maintain this budget.

710
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,400
I'm really, really pleased that we have a balanced budget that we don't have to raise

711
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,740
taxes on, really, really pleased and not after-cut human services.

712
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:18,200
I'm really, really pleased to be making progress on all of our approved infrastructure projects.

713
01:03:21,020 --> 01:03:27,180
As every year, you know, we need this to be a year-round discussion, and you know, I think

714
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:32,580
the one thing that I somehow forget in all of the things that I say is this is the land

715
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:33,320
you sort of nuts.

716
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,660
That's the other thing is like this is the land you sort of nuts, and that's the work

717
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:42,400
that's in front of us and why it's so vital is because we've heard from a number of the folks

718
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:48,180
that we've heard from tonight over the years and other commenters, but certainly some folks

719
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:54,000
tonight we've heard repeatedly and have well heard the necessity of expanding our

720
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,680
revenue streams. We are dying on the vine here and we are going to keep

721
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,760
putting it on the backs of a small number of homeowners unless we get this land

722
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,420
you sort of done and dusted and in a position first to start making some money

723
01:04:05,420 --> 01:04:11,160
off of it. So really really pleased here with our work and I just kind of wanted to

724
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,720
close the loop on a couple of things we've been talking about over the past couple

725
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,680
Good comment, thank you so much, Councilmember Nell.

726
01:04:20,020 --> 01:04:22,740
I see Mayor Pro Tempestado, that's good.

727
01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:28,320
Thank you, Madam Mayor, and thank you, colleagues for your consideration.

728
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:36,020
And to the staff, especially you, Mayor Tony, for the work on this,

729
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:44,390
I'm conflicted, right?

730
01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:50,550
We're going down like, Councilmember Nell said, again and again, and every time every time

731
01:04:50,550 --> 01:04:58,630
voter on a budget. It's we've pulled from from the fund balance. It's something that we keep

732
01:04:58,630 --> 01:05:03,290
saying we're going to fix. We're going to fix. We're not going to get to it. And once again,

733
01:05:03,450 --> 01:05:10,430
we're looking at pulling from the fund balance for ongoing expenses. Yes, I agree. We have

734
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:15,190
we're in a good financial position. And I agree that we can do this. Doesn't mean that because we

735
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:19,830
can do something we should continue to do the same thing over and over again.

736
01:05:21,330 --> 01:05:25,670
With that said, I deeply believe in the work that all these nonprofits are doing.

737
01:05:26,110 --> 01:05:30,290
And I don't want to secure ourselves thinking that the small amount we're taking from the

738
01:05:30,290 --> 01:05:35,850
fund balance to make up for the small gap in funding that doesn't cover the entire

739
01:05:35,850 --> 01:05:40,750
entirety of what nonprofits are asking for is going to make

740
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:44,860
it is going to make a difference.

741
01:05:44,860 --> 01:05:55,060
But we're not solving the problem, the town cannot continue to just throw more money at the issues.

742
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:04,160
When you're looking at, and I think one of our speakers mentioned this, it's not just the town.

743
01:06:05,380 --> 01:06:08,700
All of us at a community need to come together to support these organizations.

744
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:16,080
I was doing the math, if 200 community members here in Carpro can donate $100.

745
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:26,440
That makes up, hey, I lost my numbers, I had to think, but a little bit over 200 members of the community

746
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,160
don't need a hundred dollars each.

747
01:06:28,740 --> 01:06:34,060
That fits everything that we have to do that the communities are asking us to meet that gap.

748
01:06:35,380 --> 01:06:42,140
Now, if we continue to promote events, use town resources to be able to show the important work that these

749
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:49,140
organizations are doing for the residents of Carboro, that goes beyond just simply allocating

750
01:06:49,140 --> 01:06:54,100
more money from the fund balance that we're later going to have to increase taxes to make

751
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:54,480
up.

752
01:06:55,220 --> 01:07:02,920
I understand how this is a small amount of money compared to the entire budget, and I'm not going

753
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:07,540
to seriously vote against the budget because I agree with just like last year with the

754
01:07:07,540 --> 01:07:15,460
like 99% of what is in here, and I again believe that the staff is in a great job at putting things together.

755
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:26,400
But let's not kid ourselves and let's not pat ourselves in the back saying that because we're taking money from the fund balance to support these nonprofits,

756
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:32,240
we're doing that huge of a difference. We're not funding their entire requests.

757
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:43,260
We're not meeting the actual gap that these community members and organizations are feeling out there, and we cannot continue to act as a foundation because we're not.

758
01:07:45,890 --> 01:07:46,790
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

759
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:49,900
All right, thank you so much.

760
01:07:50,140 --> 01:07:59,740
Councilmember Prasadotos, are there any other comments or concerns about any portion of the budget?

761
01:08:03,060 --> 01:08:03,740
I don't know.

762
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:04,820
I'm happy to say.

763
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:09,300
I'd like to.

764
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:09,520
Councilmember.

765
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,000
All right.

766
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:20,960
So yeah, I think other folks have done their version of this, and I'm for whatever reason

767
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:26,720
inclined to do my version of it tonight too. But just want to kind of frame our decision in the larger

768
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:32,380
kind of trajectory of things. When I was riding my bike here tonight, I passed a couple of

769
01:08:32,380 --> 01:08:36,700
neighbors walking there dog and pushing a stroller with their great-grandbaby in it. And they said,

770
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,960
are you going to raise taxes on us again? And I said, I don't know, I haven't decided.

771
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:43,860
But what I am

772
01:08:43,860 --> 01:08:50,400
sure of is that we won't go another 10 years before we raise taxes again. And that's why it hurts so

773
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:55,680
last year is because for 10 years we didn't raise taxes. And so we're not going to do that again

774
01:08:55,680 --> 01:09:01,380
because we don't want to put people through that pain again. What we are going to do is do our best

775
01:09:01,380 --> 01:09:08,880
to keep pace with inflation at the bare minimum so we can continue to provide the services that

776
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:15,820
make, you know, to make this town run. And so we can continue to pay people a reasonable age

777
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:19,680
that they still can afford to live in Carborough on to keep this town running.

778
01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:26,480
And I also want to frame that in the trajectory, you know, kind of into the larger work

779
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:32,460
that we're doing around the land use ordinance that council member now mentioned, there's

780
01:09:32,460 --> 01:09:40,760
an adage in the planning world, you can have good services, low taxes, and low population

781
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:48,540
density pick two. Right now we have low population density in good services, which is why we

782
01:09:48,540 --> 01:09:53,720
have high taxes. So what we're trying to do with the land use ordinance, the downtown area

783
01:09:53,720 --> 01:10:00,420
plan. And I hope that putting this in perspective will help gain some support for these ideas.

784
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:08,400
Is we're trying to increase the population density near the core where we have the infrastructure

785
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:19,400
And we can make better use of that infrastructure and actually be revenue generating so that when we bring more people down town and we have more businesses down town

786
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:27,540
We are reducing the burden per household. So just just kind of want to frame all that where we came from how we got here where we're trying to go.

787
01:10:27,980 --> 01:10:29,900
So that's my

788
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:34,480
I won't call it two cents again. That is that is my

789
01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:42,980
brief comment. Thank you. Thank you so much councilmember Maran Cali. It's absolutely great comments.

790
01:10:43,580 --> 01:10:54,580
It's like feel like we're rounding a corner with motion still on the table about human services and not forgotten about that other comments.

791
01:10:55,500 --> 01:11:01,120
I'm sorry councilmember for it. Thank you madam there. I'll be very brief because I think my colleagues comments have covered a lot.

792
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:08,780
My personal preference would have been to do the very small increase because I feel that we owe people that honesty.

793
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:12,480
If we do not grow our tax base,

794
01:11:14,530 --> 01:11:20,750
we will either cut services or we will consume our savings or we will raise taxes.

795
01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:27,690
Those taxes are going to have to go up every year we do not find a way to increase our revenue.

796
01:11:28,810 --> 01:11:35,310
So I understand for this year we've we've opted I get the sense of the consensus of the council is to use the fund balance.

797
01:11:36,210 --> 01:11:47,690
That's not personally my favorite. I think that it is incumbent on us to make the case to our residents that five bucks per household per hundred thousand of home value.

798
01:11:48,670 --> 01:11:55,210
comparing, I think as Council member, as Mayor Pertem Bosadotosco pointed out, if 200

799
01:11:55,210 --> 01:11:58,210
Carvera Residence gave a hundred bucks, that would cover it.

800
01:11:58,550 --> 01:12:04,450
Well the other way to cover it is for each household to give $5 per hundred thousand because

801
01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:07,310
that's the way that the structure works.

802
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:15,130
So for the median home in Carvera, that is 20 bucks.

803
01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:20,630
I think that is well worth it to close that gap and that's not to get into questions about

804
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:24,310
are we where the buck stops for human services?

805
01:12:24,690 --> 01:12:26,490
No, we can't be.

806
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:29,710
Are we off the hook for human services?

807
01:12:30,210 --> 01:12:31,510
No, we can't be.

808
01:12:32,690 --> 01:12:37,290
We're in this interesting spot in the middle in between the county and the federal government, right?

809
01:12:37,890 --> 01:12:44,050
But we're an important site of services for our residents and especially those who need most.

810
01:12:44,050 --> 01:12:51,030
So, to me that is worth it, we will have to pay for it next year and we will find our way

811
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:51,930
to do that.

812
01:12:52,230 --> 01:12:57,170
So, I think we've all sort of given notice that we're going to do our best to grow that

813
01:12:57,170 --> 01:13:01,750
tax pace so that we can start having that right come down each year.

814
01:13:02,890 --> 01:13:06,810
But until we get that work done, it's going to have to go up and if it's not every year,

815
01:13:06,810 --> 01:13:09,550
it's going to be more in the years than it does.

816
01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:16,250
So, I think my colleagues for keeping the important thing front and center, which is to fill

817
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:17,550
that gap in the funding.

818
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:26,550
Thank you so much, Council Member Frey, are there any other comments?

819
01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:28,230
I'm sure there are no questions.

820
01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:32,880
Madam Mayor, if I could, I just...

821
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:33,880
Council Member Jordan.

822
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:42,600
I just want to thank my colleagues and thanks staff for all their hard work and helping us

823
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,400
come to a humane decision,

824
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,160
because that was my appeal the last time we sat here is to think

825
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:57,100
about how we can have the highest, not just the highest and best use of our resources,

826
01:13:57,100 --> 01:14:01,540
but the highest expression of our humanity towards our community members.

827
01:14:02,660 --> 01:14:09,460
And so I know it doesn't permanently fix that gap, but I do like the discussion that I'm hearing

828
01:14:09,460 --> 01:14:12,900
about what we can do as a community together.

829
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:17,280
I think it's both, and I think, yes, we do this,

830
01:14:18,020 --> 01:14:20,520
but let's put some teeth in trying to figure out

831
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:24,660
how we can pull the community can pull their resources

832
01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:27,680
to execute this, because I think we're definitely

833
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,100
going to need it.

834
01:14:29,260 --> 01:14:31,860
We're definitely going to have to think about

835
01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:36,940
these things moving forward, but I like the energy

836
01:14:36,940 --> 01:14:40,300
behind us pulling together, pulling our resource together,

837
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:46,120
because I think that's the ethos of who we're trying to be as a town,

838
01:14:47,740 --> 01:14:50,560
the essence of what we're trying to project,

839
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:56,620
not just to each other as neighbors, but also to the state and to the country.

840
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:59,960
So anyway, I want to thank you all for...

841
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:33,180
I'm going to open this up because we've had so many comments. And you know, I'm going to

842
01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:35,800
emails about the recommendation to remove,

843
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,380
bowl in three and four, green wave from physical year CIP.

844
01:15:40,180 --> 01:15:43,740
Now my first inclination from my colleagues,

845
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,300
as I know it, I think that that would not be

846
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,820
what my colleagues would be in favor of,

847
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,940
but there is the concern that we continue,

848
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,640
or that we are gonna support this project

849
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,460
and the resource allocation, which Mr. Keys,

850
01:16:01,460 --> 01:16:09,720
He did talk about that earlier about how that would be financed, and I'm raising it because we have heard those concerns.

851
01:16:09,820 --> 01:16:15,640
Are there any comments or questions, colleagues, or are we leaving it? Where were we?

852
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:20,100
Can't remember now. Yeah, the floor. Thank you.

853
01:16:21,300 --> 01:16:23,220
It's a proved project that our agenda plan.

854
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,420
And we're going to continue to try and fund all of our proved projects.

855
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:33,140
We have approved the project. Legislating whether or not we will pursue Bowling Creek 3 and 4 is behind the work

856
01:16:33,140 --> 01:16:40,220
of Bowling Creek Greenway 3 and 4. There are complications in planning any greenway that

857
01:16:40,220 --> 01:16:44,780
one does not wave a wand and get a buffer permit. One does not wave a wand and automatically

858
01:16:44,780 --> 01:16:49,720
comply with the Jordan Lake Watershed Rules. But like the Morgan Creek Greenway, which is

859
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:55,260
set to begin construction, the professional planners and our employee work with the relevant state

860
01:16:55,260 --> 01:17:00,460
agencies to get the buffer permits and comply with the relevant watershed rules as is standard

861
01:17:00,460 --> 01:17:05,280
operating procedure and totally day-regoer for thousands of

862
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,880
creakside greenways in the Jordan Lake watershed, which is to say that we have

863
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:14,620
been vocal about the hurdles in funding this project, the total project cost is

864
01:17:14,620 --> 01:17:19,680
huge. And once we have sort of crossing analysis is a huge step toward

865
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:25,040
complying with the watershed rules, toward concretizing our actual alignment, you know,

866
01:17:25,140 --> 01:17:28,020
from there on we'll need to negotiate easements with property owners with the

867
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:31,500
So we'll have to like, yeah, it's still a lot.

868
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,380
And as a council, we'll have to almost certainly

869
01:17:34,380 --> 01:17:36,680
face the project out, to bid it into smaller chunks,

870
01:17:36,860 --> 01:17:39,740
then the overall total cost and the capital improvement plan.

871
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,120
But I think to the extent, we want to have a community

872
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,860
discussion here and put our cards on the table,

873
01:17:48,620 --> 01:17:51,160
just like the restriping for Greensboro Street,

874
01:17:51,260 --> 01:17:53,160
just like the South Greensboro sidewalk,

875
01:17:53,820 --> 01:17:55,740
just like the Shelton Street Contraflo Lane,

876
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,460
just like the dozens of projects

877
01:17:57,460 --> 01:17:59,360
in our safe routes to school and bicycle project.

878
01:17:59,420 --> 01:18:01,160
This is an approved infrastructure project

879
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,580
that we will be pursuing construction and funding for.

880
01:18:05,730 --> 01:18:07,950
So I thank you for those comments.

881
01:18:08,370 --> 01:18:11,830
Council member now, I did want to open it up

882
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:15,110
because there has been quite a few emails

883
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:17,810
and comments here this evening.

884
01:18:18,190 --> 01:18:23,470
It is an approved project with a long, long, long way to go.

885
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:27,470
And I'm not even sure any of us will.

886
01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:39,370
Probably not even be at this day, unless there's a magic wand and we have 20 or 20 or 30 million dollars to just kind of fall upon us.

887
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:41,490
And also not sure about paving.

888
01:18:43,930 --> 01:18:53,230
I think things change over time, and ideas may change about how to make this area more accessible.

889
01:18:53,230 --> 01:18:58,310
and paying may not be what we're thinking, you know, it could, it could be the

890
01:18:58,310 --> 01:19:03,130
crushing run. Everybody seems, you know, wildly enthusiastic about that.

891
01:19:03,130 --> 01:19:07,910
You know, the work that Owasa has done there, and I've heard a couple of other

892
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:17,010
ideas, so we just don't know. And as Councilmember Nau alluded to, you know, it's just

893
01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:21,730
far down the road to just be kind of thinking that far ahead, but it isn't a

894
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:29,630
to answer some questions we heard earlier about why it keeps coming up is because the project has been approved.

895
01:19:30,110 --> 01:19:33,570
And so periodically there will be some movement on the project.

896
01:19:34,110 --> 01:19:38,750
And as I said, Mr. Keyes explained it, you know, about how it will be financed.

897
01:19:38,990 --> 01:19:42,250
We received a lot of emails using the word loan.

898
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:47,330
And Mr. Keyes, it was debt service right, so he described it as debt service.

899
01:19:48,170 --> 01:19:59,530
And I know that it's not popular, but again, we're always listening when community speaks about this project, but it is an approved project.

900
01:20:00,070 --> 01:20:03,130
And so periodically there will be money spent on this project.

901
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:05,050
Anyone else?

902
01:20:05,250 --> 01:20:06,150
I see two hands.

903
01:20:06,570 --> 01:20:07,530
Can Frey and Palmer?

904
01:20:08,830 --> 01:20:09,850
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

905
01:20:09,850 --> 01:20:14,330
Um, just some brief notes to fill in the holes between things that have already been said.

906
01:20:15,090 --> 01:20:29,310
Um, the project remains popular, as best I can tell, you know, we know that the comments that we receive in person are a small subset of the expression of public opinion to this council.

907
01:20:30,250 --> 01:20:31,710
Um, that doesn't mean that they don't matter.

908
01:20:31,710 --> 01:20:34,670
I'm glad that you're here to give them to us.

909
01:20:35,070 --> 01:20:39,390
You know, they say if nobody around you is telling you that you're wrong,

910
01:20:40,130 --> 01:20:41,050
then you're in a bubble.

911
01:20:42,110 --> 01:20:45,410
I am glad to have all of you to tell me that I am wrong frequently in it volume.

912
01:20:48,230 --> 01:20:51,530
But when we talk to members of the larger community,

913
01:20:52,230 --> 01:20:54,750
not just the folks who are able to show up to these meetings,

914
01:20:55,310 --> 01:20:57,410
we continue to find that this project is popular.

915
01:20:58,570 --> 01:21:00,510
As folks have noted, it is also slow.

916
01:21:00,510 --> 01:21:06,930
So, just a note for anyone who is listening at home, who has been getting communications saying that

917
01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:11,470
the bulldozers will roll through, born and born forest next year, should we approve this?

918
01:21:11,970 --> 01:21:16,370
The next year's budget is for a crossing study, and that's it.

919
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:20,710
This is just the very slow progress of a very large project.

920
01:21:22,210 --> 01:21:23,330
Thank you.

921
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:28,750
That wasn't for you.

922
01:21:28,830 --> 01:21:29,850
Councilman, we're full.

923
01:21:30,010 --> 01:21:30,470
All March.

924
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:32,110
Thank you.

925
01:21:32,110 --> 01:21:41,690
I just, I did want to clarify one thing, and that is specifically the word amenity.

926
01:21:42,570 --> 01:21:48,710
A range of folks did run to us, and it's actually less than in previous years,

927
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:52,740
and they

928
01:21:52,740 --> 01:22:03,580
may think that it's not clear that a very small group is feeding them a misreading of public

929
01:22:03,580 --> 01:22:10,080
documents, but it is extremely clear when you reuse words like amenity, which have a technical

930
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:10,700
meaning.

931
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:16,660
I want to be super clear, bowing greenway is not amenity.

932
01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:19,500
It's part of our transportation network.

933
01:22:19,700 --> 01:22:25,360
It is an approved plan to be part of our active transportation network.

934
01:22:26,260 --> 01:22:31,360
It may also serve as an amenity, but that's not why it's an approved project.

935
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:32,140
I'm

936
01:22:36,970 --> 01:22:40,290
angry tonight, but I'm not angry at you all.

937
01:22:41,670 --> 01:22:48,550
I'm angry because we are downstream of, one was mentioned from podium, we are downstream

938
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:54,090
of two things at a national level that directly affect our budget.

939
01:22:56,980 --> 01:23:02,780
The Medicare Medicaid snap benefits, all of those tax changes that were passed July 4th

940
01:23:02,780 --> 01:23:03,660
of last year.

941
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:09,380
That's why human services funding requests are ballooning.

942
01:23:09,780 --> 01:23:14,180
When we January 1, a lot of people are going to have a lot more need.

943
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:19,340
Direct line from federal changes to our budget.

944
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:21,220
A war of choice.

945
01:23:23,340 --> 01:23:30,300
Freedom of navigation has been a priority for this country for an absurdly long time.

946
01:23:34,850 --> 01:23:36,790
And the current occupant,

947
01:23:39,220 --> 01:23:46,300
anyway, it's directly downstream of decisions at the federal level.

948
01:23:46,740 --> 01:23:52,020
I'm mad about that. I don't want to be mad at my fellow residents.

949
01:23:55,840 --> 01:24:03,580
And so I do want you to hear it from me, but I do take personally an accusation that we don't respect open meetings.

950
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,820
That's the law. We take that extremely seriously.

951
01:24:09,180 --> 01:24:14,120
If we accidentally show up somewhere, and there are four of us, one of us will leave,

952
01:24:14,740 --> 01:24:15,920
because that's a quorum.

953
01:24:16,740 --> 01:24:18,540
We take this very seriously.

954
01:24:20,860 --> 01:24:27,720
We either swore an oath or solemnly affirmed we all take this process extremely seriously.

955
01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:33,860
I deeply respect all of my colleagues.

956
01:24:34,940 --> 01:24:37,700
I deeply respect the work of our town manager.

957
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,880
And I want folks to hear that from me.

958
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:42,560
Thank you.

959
01:24:49,090 --> 01:24:53,030
So I think I have heard from everyone about everything.

960
01:24:53,810 --> 01:24:58,150
And so colleagues, I think what I want to know,

961
01:24:58,190 --> 01:25:03,970
and maybe I should ask Nick, we can go ahead and pass the amendment

962
01:25:05,070 --> 01:25:07,570
for human services to fund that.

963
01:25:07,610 --> 01:25:08,950
Go ahead and pass that first.

964
01:25:09,150 --> 01:25:12,090
You can, why don't you just go ahead and do that,

965
01:25:13,050 --> 01:25:19,230
And then go through the rest of the adoption of the budget if it's the council's pleasure to do that tonight.

966
01:25:21,380 --> 01:25:23,420
So the question is on the floor already.

967
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:29,660
I believe the motion that's on the floor is to approve the entire budget with the amendment attached in one motion.

968
01:25:29,660 --> 01:25:31,320
We could also do that.

969
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:32,480
That was the intent.

970
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:34,020
Yes.

971
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,620
So it's okay to put A, B, C, and D, and just all together.

972
01:25:38,620 --> 01:25:44,580
Your California phrase right I just I didn't hear Danny say anything about the main budget

973
01:25:46,060 --> 01:25:51,030
Just clarify. Yes, I would like to improve move the entire budget with the amendment

974
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:59,860
All right, along with along with your motion for the funding gap and I'm still happy to be the second with that clarification

975
01:25:59,860 --> 01:26:04,600
Okay, all that's on the floor council members. Are you ready for the question?

976
01:26:04,940 --> 01:26:09,760
All in favor, please say aye

977
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:15,680
any opposed? Motion carries seven o'clock. Our budget is adopted for next

978
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:21,760
physical year. Thank you so much. Town manager Tony, our award-winning budget and finance team

979
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:28,300
led by Chaz. Just thank you so much and all the department heads for the hard work that went

980
01:26:28,300 --> 01:26:35,440
into delivering a balanced budget with no property tax increase. But just so grateful that we were

981
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:40,580
able to come together as a council and fill that funding gap for human services which

982
01:26:40,580 --> 01:26:43,340
could not be more important than it is right now.

983
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:45,260
Thank you so much.

984
01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:50,040
Next item, Action Item, Town Manager Tony.

985
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:55,710
Thank you.

986
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:56,630
Yes.

987
01:26:57,130 --> 01:27:02,030
Second, Action Item is consideration of the North Carolina DOT ordinance and subsequent

988
01:27:02,750 --> 01:27:09,130
Harboral town code amendment to change the speed limit of homestead road to 35

989
01:27:09,130 --> 01:27:13,330
miles per hour and Christina Moon is going to review this item.

990
01:27:13,330 --> 01:27:14,010
Thank

991
01:27:23,580 --> 01:27:24,600
you for the introduction.

992
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:35,360
Looking at the clock and you've already received this if it's okay. I'm gonna hit the highlights and keep moving and then we can circle back for questions if you have them

993
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:41,140
The principle purpose of bringing this before you tonight is for you to review and vote on

994
01:27:42,260 --> 01:27:51,160
or two concur with NCDOT's ordinance, which is to lower the speed limit from 45 to 35 on

995
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:58,820
a portion of homestead road. This is a little small, I thought the yellow line here shows homestead road.

996
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:04,240
This is a project, we'll talk about it in a little bit more depth in just a minute.

997
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,980
But this is a project which involves both Chapel Hill,

998
01:28:08,340 --> 01:28:09,960
Corburo and NCDOT together,

999
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:14,100
or just like the crossings on 54 we talked about earlier today.

1000
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:17,460
This is a great example of all the partners working together

1001
01:28:17,460 --> 01:28:20,680
and to take advantage of a resurfacing project

1002
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:22,720
to put in place other improvements

1003
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,100
and particularly reducing the speed limit.

1004
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:28,920
This is an extra slide.

1005
01:28:28,940 --> 01:28:30,640
I think we've all been on HUMSTED Road,

1006
01:28:30,820 --> 01:28:34,120
but sometimes seeing it again is a helpful refresher.

1007
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:40,080
when you're talking about it. So what you can see here is this is a road that used to be relatively

1008
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:47,480
world that's now experiencing quite a bit of growth. It is used heavily by vehicles as well as some

1009
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:53,920
cyclists. There's very little in the way of shoulder. And so this is an effort to try to get a little bit more

1010
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:59,840
shoulder in as well as to make the the travel lanes a little bit more narrow.

1011
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,100
And so the important element here is

1012
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:10,100
And I've included on the right hand side the image of attachment C in your packet.

1013
01:29:10,340 --> 01:29:20,020
This is the actual ordinance that DOT has provided for us for the clerk and the manager to review and complete following your discussion this evening.

1014
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:33,040
And so all DOT speed limit changes involve the approval of an ordinance for those speed limit changes that go through a municipality or so the town limits

1015
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:38,940
concurrence with that board is the elected officials, the governing board is also needed.

1016
01:29:39,580 --> 01:29:45,260
And those places where the road simply goes through the county that concurrence is not

1017
01:29:45,260 --> 01:29:50,920
needed. So that's why we're only looking for this one section. There's some other sections

1018
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:57,300
along, Homestead Road, which are technically part of the town's planning jurisdiction, but are

1019
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:59,860
not part of the town's limit, so that's the distinction.

1020
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:28,380
And the inclusion of that last slide. So you can see those little segments. Should you move forward and concur with your T's ordinance and nay formally approve it? The subsequent step would be to make sure that the town code, which is where the town list, fee limits, that that would be an alignment. So a subsequent step would be to update the town code, rather than bringing this back to you in the fall.

1021
01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:34,200
we're providing that second attachment, be town code amendment, if you'll notice that

1022
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:44,760
language on the bottom, that would be subject to move forward only if DOT approves the

1023
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:49,060
ordinance for the SB limit in their office first.

1024
01:30:52,370 --> 01:30:53,930
The piece that you might find a little

1025
01:30:53,930 --> 01:30:58,870
bit more interesting is the resurfacing. And so while this is not a decision item, I wanted

1026
01:30:58,870 --> 01:31:02,050
to take advantage of the opportunity to share it with you.

1027
01:31:02,130 --> 01:31:03,710
And I realized it is a little bit small.

1028
01:31:03,850 --> 01:31:05,510
You can see it perhaps a little bit better

1029
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:06,430
in the handouts.

1030
01:31:06,850 --> 01:31:08,930
But what we are essentially doing, and again,

1031
01:31:09,070 --> 01:31:11,050
this is partnering with Chapel Hill.

1032
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:14,590
The resurfacing will go the entire length of homestead

1033
01:31:15,930 --> 01:31:17,710
from Martin Luther King, Jr.

1034
01:31:17,710 --> 01:31:22,030
or airport road all the way to old NC86.

1035
01:31:22,530 --> 01:31:24,770
So Chapel Hill's going to focus a little bit more on

1036
01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:26,290
trying to squeeze it by-clans.

1037
01:31:26,410 --> 01:31:27,890
They have a little bit more right of way.

1038
01:31:27,890 --> 01:31:33,850
We are going to focus here in Carbero on slowing traffic, so the portion in Carbero where

1039
01:31:33,850 --> 01:31:40,150
there isn't quite enough space to add more that just a little bit of asphalt lane widths

1040
01:31:40,150 --> 01:31:45,830
will become more narrow, so they'll go from about 11 feet to 10 and a half feet for travel lanes

1041
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:48,530
and about 10 feet for turn lanes.

1042
01:31:51,700 --> 01:31:54,460
Again, this is just a small segment just to give you a sense

1043
01:31:54,460 --> 01:31:59,680
of this is what a pavement marking plan looks like and you can see this section right side

1044
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:08,300
of Claremont, no real change to the existing configuration other than making the lanes a little

1045
01:32:08,300 --> 01:32:09,140
bit more narrow.

1046
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:17,020
So again, in terms of procedural notes, this is the, that first bullet is the, the description

1047
01:32:17,020 --> 01:32:23,980
of the section, the segment that we're talking about, and the actual action for the resolution

1048
01:32:23,980 --> 01:32:31,640
which is provided as a attachment one is to vote in approval of concurring with DRT's ordinance

1049
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:38,380
to repeal the 45 mile per hour segment and then subsequent to that would be the adoption

1050
01:32:38,380 --> 01:32:42,340
of the town code. So I'm happy to answer any questions if you haven't.

1051
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:46,260
All right. Thank you so much Tina for the presentation. Council members.

1052
01:32:46,980 --> 01:32:50,580
Looks pretty straightforward to me, but you may have some questions or comments.

1053
01:32:51,540 --> 01:32:59,860
maybe. I just had a question about the lane marking. Can we go back to the slide?

1054
01:33:01,500 --> 01:33:07,940
Just didn't know if there was any, I noticed on Claremont Drive it's there's two different types of crosswalks there.

1055
01:33:08,060 --> 01:33:15,920
One's hive is one's just kind of a line. I don't know if there's any consideration for that as part of that or is this kind of the wrong part of the process for that or

1056
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,980
Generally speaking, where there's an opportunity to go to Hibis, we're doing that.

1057
01:33:22,170 --> 01:33:23,250
That was really my only question.

1058
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:24,070
I don't know.

1059
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:27,710
I'm a little skeptical of narrower lanes and lower speed limits, as you know.

1060
01:33:28,170 --> 01:33:29,430
Yeah, so we know.

1061
01:33:29,710 --> 01:33:30,330
Bad joke.

1062
01:33:31,050 --> 01:33:31,590
I think it's great.

1063
01:33:31,730 --> 01:33:32,350
I love it.

1064
01:33:32,630 --> 01:33:33,330
Can I make the motion?

1065
01:33:33,550 --> 01:33:34,110
Go for it.

1066
01:33:34,130 --> 01:33:34,670
All right.

1067
01:33:34,910 --> 01:33:35,950
I think they're really close.

1068
01:33:36,410 --> 01:33:36,590
I don't know.

1069
01:33:36,770 --> 01:33:37,810
So I haven't had it.

1070
01:33:37,950 --> 01:33:38,430
Well, yeah.

1071
01:33:38,730 --> 01:33:40,090
The motion to do this.

1072
01:33:40,350 --> 01:33:41,650
I don't know.

1073
01:33:41,650 --> 01:33:41,970
I don't know.

1074
01:33:42,170 --> 01:33:43,270
I don't know if you hear me.

1075
01:33:43,610 --> 01:33:44,350
I don't know if you hear me.

1076
01:33:44,350 --> 01:33:45,590
You should do a little more than that.

1077
01:33:46,450 --> 01:33:46,770
All right.

1078
01:33:46,770 --> 01:33:52,210
Some of you feed me my lines motion motion to the top the attachment A and B

1079
01:33:53,370 --> 01:33:53,930
Second

1080
01:33:55,650 --> 01:33:57,730
It's been moved and properly second

1081
01:33:59,710 --> 01:34:08,570
All in favor, please say aye aye aye any opposed motion carries seven. Oh, thank you so much. Tina. I was joyous to fix y'all

1082
01:34:09,130 --> 01:34:11,310
It was real easy. Did you get a mess?

1083
01:34:15,390 --> 01:34:18,150
You're not public policy.

1084
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,080
I'm going to get going now.

1085
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:26,060
We have a budget.

1086
01:34:29,060 --> 01:34:31,540
Tom Manager, Tony.

1087
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:33,570
We have two information items.

1088
01:34:34,580 --> 01:34:34,600
Yes.

1089
01:34:34,780 --> 01:34:35,700
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1090
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,840
I would like to present both of them.

1091
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,740
Together, if you don't mind,

1092
01:34:39,740 --> 01:34:45,820
They will be both presented by our Economic Development Director, Mr. John Hartman Brown.

1093
01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:51,860
First, he's going to discuss the impact of Savannah Bananas impact on the community

1094
01:34:51,860 --> 01:35:00,120
and then explain a little bit about local tourism agencies that we probably hadn't really heard much details about.

1095
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:05,080
Welcome, John. We never see you. How are you?

1096
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,480
Oh well, I'm well, how are you guys doing?

1097
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:08,920
We're good, you're just good.

1098
01:35:09,180 --> 01:35:11,160
We have a budget, so that's the least.

1099
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:11,880
We are.

1100
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,220
So good evening, I just wanted to go over a few things.

1101
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:26,660
So we're going to go over some information on the Savannah bananas, results from the event that

1102
01:35:26,660 --> 01:35:27,140
they came.

1103
01:35:27,820 --> 01:35:32,980
And we'll also talk a little bit about the tourism development authority as well as the

1104
01:35:32,980 --> 01:35:35,640
kind of visitors bureau and some of that dynamic.

1105
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:40,220
So I do want to qualify some of the information we're going to see on the Savannah Bananas

1106
01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:40,980
presentation.

1107
01:35:41,900 --> 01:35:47,100
We're still kind of finalizing or trying to narrow down more specifically the impacts

1108
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:52,320
for Orange County is ideally specifically Carborough and or Chapel Hill.

1109
01:35:53,480 --> 01:35:57,280
And the reason for that is a lot of these economic numbers we're going to be looking at

1110
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:58,120
are region wide.

1111
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:00,820
So they're taking a kind of the think about the whole

1112
01:36:00,820 --> 01:36:05,200
Durham Chapel Hill area, and so they're not going to be

1113
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:09,320
a direct impact to Carborough unless we specifically say so.

1114
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,360
So just a heads up on that.

1115
01:36:12,180 --> 01:36:17,060
So setting a stage, as many of you know, this was a really good

1116
01:36:17,060 --> 01:36:19,780
opportunity for us to do some multi-juris-dictional partnerships.

1117
01:36:20,620 --> 01:36:24,760
We worked at the Carborough TDA, the Orange County Visitors

1118
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:30,440
Bureau, UNC athletics, the town of Chapel Hill, economic development department, and the

1119
01:36:30,440 --> 01:36:35,880
carbo economic development department, all work together to really leverage this opportunity

1120
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:42,860
to bring additional tourism and more specifically those tourism dollars into our community.

1121
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:51,040
And on April 11th and 12th of 2026, the Savannah Bananas came to Kenyan Stadium and conducted

1122
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:56,860
to performances, to games there, one on Saturday and one on Sunday.

1123
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:03,160
So, talking a little bit about the impacts from their event.

1124
01:37:03,340 --> 01:37:09,720
We had over 88,000 people that visited unique footprints that visited downtown Carberon,

1125
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,940
Shrepa Hill during the weekend of the event.

1126
01:37:14,220 --> 01:37:17,840
Direct spending impacts, again, this is the direct dollar input.

1127
01:37:17,980 --> 01:37:21,880
This is not kind of induced and implied economic numbers.

1128
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:31,460
and this is a regional number of $17 million that came in to our region as a result of this event.

1129
01:37:32,900 --> 01:37:39,920
And we reached over 30,000 travelers that traveled more than 30 miles away to Tendigaine.

1130
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:48,560
And the map here shows a little bit about where folks came from, so we had representation from over 36 states.

1131
01:37:51,380 --> 01:37:56,220
And I also want to note that what you can't see on here is we cannot track international visitors.

1132
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:02,460
Although we do know we had some Canadians that came to the event as well.

1133
01:38:04,460 --> 01:38:10,600
So unfortunately the data that we use doesn't track international travelers.

1134
01:38:14,820 --> 01:38:20,400
So how do we really kind of apply this on a local level and see the impact to our local community?

1135
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:26,820
So we focused on specifically the the economic development department's really focused and drilled down on

1136
01:38:27,620 --> 01:38:32,720
Visitor spending and how do we drive those visitors to our businesses so we developed

1137
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:39,480
Promotional and fan and set of collateral for businesses so as you can see we had brochures that really talked about

1138
01:38:40,420 --> 01:38:46,940
Eating and shopping opportunities within downtown Chapel Hill and downtown Carboreau as well as the pins

1139
01:38:46,940 --> 01:38:50,700
which I think you all have received some of those pins as well,

1140
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:54,840
so we put those at various

1141
01:38:54,840 --> 01:39:02,320
businesses throughout the community and really kind of incentivize our fans to inquire

1142
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:06,280
and ask, hey, where can I get one of those and then of course we tell them, hey, you

1143
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:13,070
got to go visit a business if you want one. We also work directly with our business owners

1144
01:39:13,070 --> 01:39:16,530
and the managers to implement special promotions.

1145
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:20,990
So you might have seen if you're kind of popping around town,

1146
01:39:21,230 --> 01:39:24,570
different specials at restaurants or maybe unique things

1147
01:39:24,570 --> 01:39:27,990
that you could get at a retail shop that you wouldn't normally be able to get,

1148
01:39:28,690 --> 01:39:34,010
that we're banana-themed in an effort to really encourage the fans

1149
01:39:34,590 --> 01:39:39,330
to visit our local businesses and take advantage of those unique things.

1150
01:39:39,330 --> 01:39:43,850
We had over 30 different local businesses between

1151
01:39:43,850 --> 01:39:44,850
Chappel, downtown Chappel,

1152
01:39:44,970 --> 01:39:50,210
the Hill, and downtown Carboro that participated in these programs.

1153
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,720
So some of our local business impact here in Carboro.

1154
01:39:57,060 --> 01:40:00,340
I'm not going to read through all these, but as you can see,

1155
01:40:00,700 --> 01:40:02,860
Carboro or Ray Mosher from Carboro,

1156
01:40:02,860 --> 01:40:04,940
he had a great day.

1157
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:09,540
The hotel was full, almost full.

1158
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:17,660
We had a lot of businesses that were also reporting dramatic increases in sales from year over

1159
01:40:17,660 --> 01:40:19,560
year during this weekend.

1160
01:40:20,660 --> 01:40:26,820
So, all in all, I think we would say, most of our business community would say this was a great success.

1161
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,120
So, some of the lessons learned and things we're going to take away.

1162
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:35,900
uh... synergy is key

1163
01:40:35,900 --> 01:40:40,780
uh... going forward the coordination that we have between the tourism agencies

1164
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,020
the economic development departments

1165
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:45,540
uh... you and see and the athletics

1166
01:40:45,540 --> 01:40:51,760
uh... really we all stepped up to the plate and uh... i think we hit a home run

1167
01:40:52,460 --> 01:40:54,880
thank you thank you

1168
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:58,300
john are we gonna are we getting a are we getting a back flip out of you is right now

1169
01:40:58,300 --> 01:41:01,520
So back to the slide. Are you an ad yet?

1170
01:41:05,100 --> 01:41:14,060
So I think that's something that we're definitely going to be taking away, is that it's really economic development at tourism is a team sport.

1171
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:21,900
And so we're going to really have to make sure that we're all working together to make it a success.

1172
01:41:22,980 --> 01:41:36,100
The other thing, of course, was direct engagement with our local businesses, making sure that they had opportunities, we were months out from the event, we were reminding them, hey, don't forget this is coming up.

1173
01:41:36,780 --> 01:41:48,180
How can it figure out how you can engage, so really making sure that we were engaging a business community to find encouraging them to find ways to engage as folks were coming into town.

1174
01:41:49,400 --> 01:42:09,240
And so going forward, I think this is a reproducible model, something that we'll look to our colleagues in Chapel Hill, the Visitors Bureau, as well as UNC athletics, all agreed that this was a great success and so we look to replicate this for future events.

1175
01:42:09,340 --> 01:42:16,280
And we also want to continue to support regional event attraction efforts going down into the future.

1176
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:27,560
So with that, are there any questions on the Savannah Bananas presentation before we go into the tourism stuff?

1177
01:42:30,100 --> 01:42:31,600
I don't, sorry.

1178
01:42:33,220 --> 01:42:34,940
Hold on, let me get to the next presentation.

1179
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:37,820
All right,

1180
01:42:41,230 --> 01:42:48,290
so this is just a little bit of an outline a brief overview of some of the tourism agencies and structures we have.

1181
01:42:48,290 --> 01:42:52,450
In both Carber and Orange County, I'll talk a little bit about the similarity since

1182
01:42:52,450 --> 01:42:57,110
some differences and if there's any questions we can address as well.

1183
01:42:58,110 --> 01:43:00,230
So we'll kick it off with the Orange County Visitors Bureau.

1184
01:43:01,070 --> 01:43:04,690
So the Orange County Visitors Bureau is a department of the Orange County Government.

1185
01:43:06,050 --> 01:43:13,550
And it is primarily mostly funded by the occupancy tax that Orange County collects.

1186
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:19,390
It's Governor's model is technically under the,

1187
01:43:20,650 --> 01:43:22,990
technically under the county commission.

1188
01:43:23,210 --> 01:43:26,850
However, there is an advisory board that is made up of very

1189
01:43:26,850 --> 01:43:30,870
stakeholders, composed of staff, and elected officials from

1190
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:33,030
Arch County, Carbore, Chapel Hill, Hillsborough,

1191
01:43:33,790 --> 01:43:36,750
and other tours and business leaders within the community.

1192
01:43:38,670 --> 01:43:43,530
So from Carbore, we have Councilmember Joyner sits on the

1193
01:43:43,530 --> 01:43:47,690
Orange County Visitor's Bureau as well as myself from the staff side.

1194
01:43:50,990 --> 01:44:00,490
For their legal framework, they operate under a special private act in Orange County that allows them to collect the occupancy tax.

1195
01:44:02,310 --> 01:44:12,150
Generally, this does not conform to kind of the standard statutory guidelines that the state has more recently adopted under the tourism development authorities.

1196
01:44:12,150 --> 01:44:22,210
So they're still, they're legal, they're legally operating, but it's a little bit of a different structure and how they collect and how they can spend those funds as a result of their private act.

1197
01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:27,490
And the Town Chapel House has supported the Orange County Visitors Bureau in the past.

1198
01:44:28,170 --> 01:44:34,750
And I should also note that Chapel Hill also has a private act in its function similar to Orange County Visitors Bureau.

1199
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:59,960
So, the Carboard Tourism Development Authority organizationally is a separate and distinct entity from the town council, it's a component agency of the town, so they have their own spending authority, budgeting authority, the town council does, however, a point, as you all know, or may know, that the town council.

1200
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,200
So it does appoint the members of the carburetorism development authority, but they do have their own kind of entity, they do their own auditing and all that kind of stuff.

1201
01:45:11,940 --> 01:45:18,740
Legal framework, they operate again within the kind of modern North Carolina state statutes regulating tourism authorities.

1202
01:45:19,660 --> 01:45:21,920
So the generally fall under that category.

1203
01:45:25,370 --> 01:45:36,330
And again, the governance models, the same, they're by the state statutes, and they also have the financial kind of ability and board composition is regulated by the state statutes also.

1204
01:45:38,130 --> 01:45:42,270
The TDA does not maintain any of its own staff, dedicated staff.

1205
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:49,490
We provide at the town operational support for them, so the economic development department and the

1206
01:45:49,490 --> 01:45:55,610
finance department provide staffing to the carburetors and development authority to carry out and

1207
01:45:55,610 --> 01:45:58,750
help execute their desire.

1208
01:46:00,070 --> 01:46:06,370
They currently provide funding for the carburem music festival, the film festival, poetry festival

1209
01:46:06,370 --> 01:46:11,710
for tree and blues, concerts, and they also pay for approximately half of the Hampton

1210
01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:15,890
in Parking Deck, the general fund pays for the other half of that.

1211
01:46:19,210 --> 01:46:21,610
So some key structural differences as we just discussed,

1212
01:46:21,810 --> 01:46:25,710
the legal foundations, Orange County Visitor Visitors

1213
01:46:25,710 --> 01:46:27,850
Bureau operates under a special private act.

1214
01:46:28,270 --> 01:46:31,830
The CTDA will also operate an operating under a private act

1215
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:35,190
that private act conforms to generally conforms

1216
01:46:35,190 --> 01:46:38,690
to the modern statutes regarding tourism development authorities.

1217
01:46:40,090 --> 01:46:42,250
The taxing jurisdiction, obviously,

1218
01:46:42,930 --> 01:46:47,410
Carbero is within the Carbero town limits, and Orange County is countywide.

1219
01:46:48,450 --> 01:46:53,870
Operationally, the Orange County Visitors Bureau is a department of the county, and the

1220
01:46:53,870 --> 01:46:57,250
CTDA is a separate entity supported by town staff.

1221
01:46:59,010 --> 01:47:05,030
And as we discussed a couple of times, the CTDA structure adheres to modern state regulatory

1222
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:05,790
standards.

1223
01:47:08,500 --> 01:47:11,820
Again, kind of just running through some of the regional looking around the area, Chapel Hill

1224
01:47:11,820 --> 01:47:17,440
operates, as I mentioned before, similarly to Orange County Hillsboro, TDA operates similar

1225
01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:23,400
to Carboro, again, following that tourism development authority standard under the state

1226
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:24,040
statutes.

1227
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:30,740
And the CTA and Orange County Visitor Bureau worked together financially on various marketing

1228
01:47:30,740 --> 01:47:37,300
activities and promotions, so there is cooperation and collaboration between the two entities,

1229
01:47:38,420 --> 01:47:43,320
but they are separate and have the ability to kind of do their own thing when necessary.

1230
01:47:44,620 --> 01:47:51,640
So with that, are there any questions on visitors bureau or tourism?

1231
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,320
Any questions or comments for John?

1232
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:00,580
Uh-huh. May I put some on the spot?

1233
01:48:00,900 --> 01:48:04,600
I think you were, thank you for that, and for the dad jokes that were great.

1234
01:48:06,020 --> 01:48:09,820
You were talking about kind of doing some similar events.

1235
01:48:10,260 --> 01:48:15,680
I heard somewhere that was a potential to bring the banana people back, is that something,

1236
01:48:16,440 --> 01:48:17,620
what do they call the banana?

1237
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:18,560
The banana.

1238
01:48:20,100 --> 01:48:24,840
Like, do you have any kind of idea like what are some of these potential future events look like?

1239
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:33,900
So we are not the primary recruiter of those, UNC athletics is, so we work with them.

1240
01:48:34,980 --> 01:48:42,260
This, the Savannah Bananas recruitment effort was initiated by UNC athletics.

1241
01:48:45,060 --> 01:48:51,420
When there was more security and a clear understanding of what was needed to bring them to Kenan,

1242
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:59,020
that was when they came to the communities and said, the visitors bureau, the CTA, and said,

1243
01:48:59,020 --> 01:49:04,020
If we're going to do this, here's kind of what we need to be able to have to do that.

1244
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:11,220
And so for example, bid packages, you know, doing bidding on events is not an uncommon thing.

1245
01:49:11,540 --> 01:49:15,120
And so that may be a thing that we will consider in the future.

1246
01:49:17,500 --> 01:49:23,040
So those are those are the types of things that will be necessary to recruit larger events.

1247
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:24,680
What do you think?

1248
01:49:25,860 --> 01:49:33,080
Sounds like a pretty strong rotation came together to close out the save.

1249
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:38,200
Come, come, come, come, come, come.

1250
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,080
I don't know if I'm not a sportsman.

1251
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:44,160
I don't think we're out of time.

1252
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:45,000
I don't think we're out of time.

1253
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,200
We're a part of a rotation.

1254
01:49:47,660 --> 01:49:49,640
We got the save, but anyway.

1255
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,200
to be blinded by pitch first.

1256
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:54,980
Probably speaking his works.

1257
01:49:55,700 --> 01:49:57,120
Yellow stretch in this mind of four.

1258
01:49:58,660 --> 01:50:02,180
Yeah, the metaphor is gone.

1259
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:03,660
Yeah, it's too far.

1260
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:06,540
So I have one question.

1261
01:50:08,820 --> 01:50:11,620
So it refers to the hampton and parking,

1262
01:50:12,260 --> 01:50:15,080
deck lease and light of the fact that, you know,

1263
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:18,540
we have our parking deck with the Drake for library complex.

1264
01:50:18,540 --> 01:50:26,420
And so is are we still holding on to the Hamiltonian parking deck lease or still need it?

1265
01:50:26,620 --> 01:50:30,700
But yeah, that will be coming up for renewal and so we'll be looking at that.

1266
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:31,800
So you're going to look at that?

1267
01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:37,300
We're looking at potential for leasing fewer spaces.

1268
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:43,900
There is some wiggle over and there in the last parking counts.

1269
01:50:44,580 --> 01:50:47,200
So they weren't the deck that deck was not completely full.

1270
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:53,260
So that's there are some areas that we'll be looking at in that least comes up. Yeah, yeah, that was my question

1271
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:02,060
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much Tom

1272
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:05,600
colleagues, we are

1273
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:08,640
At the

1274
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:09,260
Give me a second

1275
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,820
We're at the end of

1276
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:15,800
We end of our agenda for the evening

1277
01:51:16,660 --> 01:51:19,600
So, you know, we always want to entertain emotions

1278
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:21,200
move to adjourn.

1279
01:51:23,660 --> 01:51:24,140
Yes.

1280
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:26,220
Everybody.

1281
01:51:26,820 --> 01:51:27,280
Everybody.

1282
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:28,660
It's like we're just making a wait.

1283
01:51:29,740 --> 01:51:31,460
So about that, Savannah Bananas.

1284
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:32,740
I don't know, Dad.

1285
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:33,620
It's so about that.

1286
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:34,440
It's in the item.

1287
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:36,820
So it's been moved in properly seconded

1288
01:51:36,820 --> 01:51:38,740
that we adjourn the meeting.

1289
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:40,960
Colleagues, all in favor, please say aye.

1290
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:43,940
Any opposed motion carries seven o.

1291
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:45,500
We are adjourned in.

1292
01:51:45,500 --> 01:51:46,160
Go Cains.