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>> Welcome everyone. It is 6:30. I'm going

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to go ahead and get started. Thank you
so much for being here. Um we'll call to

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order this public hearing on our fiscal
year 2027

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property tax increase. It is Wednesday,
August 12th, 6:30 p.m. We're at Lot 2,

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Castle Valley Drive, and also on Zoom
tonight.

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Um
we'll do a quick roll call. Uh then I'll

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just go over quickly to as a refresher
of what we're doing, and we'll open for

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public comment.
>> So here we have Jasmine Docken, Pamela

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Gibson, Tory Hill, and Robert O'Brien,
Colleen Thompson, George Hawley, the

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Augustins, the Browns, Norman Lewellen,
Don Montoya, and Dave Byers on Zoom.

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» You ready?
>> Okay.

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» Okay, so um I know this has been all
over our website and our emails at Town

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of Castle Valley will consider an
increase to its property tax rate from

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.000864

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to .001193
to generate an additional 75,000.

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The following information is intended to
provide decision makers and the public

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with an explanation of how the town's
operations would be affected if the

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proposed property tax increase is
adopted.

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The Town of Castle Valley's current
property tax rate is .000864.

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Town of Castle Valley's current property
tax income is 134,000

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$850.
The proposed revenue with the tax change

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would be $209,850.

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And the new property tax revenue to
Castle Valley will be $73,666. It's an

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estimated increase to the town of Castle
Valley's

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property tax revenue of 54.04%.

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And we're not sure why it comes out at
73,666

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instead of 75,000. That's what the state
generated, so.

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I'll go ahead and open to public
comments.

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» Oh.
Hey, I

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» Yeah, George, go ahead.
>> That was quick. I was expecting Jetson's

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other things.

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Okay, you proposed to raise property
taxes.

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The one thing that you didn't mention
here, you already received a substantial

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property tax increase last year because
of valuation went up.

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That's a windfall.
Um so, and um

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now you seek another 50%.
The first thing that I noticed you list

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a medium home price of
whatever it is in your about 500 and

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something thousand. There isn't a house
in Castle Valley that sells at that.

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Recent sales are 850 to 1.1 4 million.
So, the medium here is probably closer

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to 950. So, that increase
that you published here is going to be

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much larger for the average property
owner in the valley.

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So, that's a little deceptive, you know,
and we need to do that before we do any

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homestead exemptions.
Um now you

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seek to double your tax revenues for
2024. And then it was a property tax,

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property value increases about double.
Um my main concern is that Castle Valley

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Drive is going to be due for major
repairs and replacement in the near

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future.
And then you're probably going to do the

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same thing again. You need to raise
taxes cuz you don't have the revenue to

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support that.
In the meantime, we have been wasting

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tens of thousands of dollars on biased
water studies and test wells

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that will at best benefit a few and
probably no one here in the valley

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unless they're not
that they're scientifically based.

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Uh and we've been doing extensive road
repairs on some of the dirt roads like

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the ones that leave lead to the upper
eighties.

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Uh and that's will have a limited short
life and benefit a few residents. And we

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need to remember
people that live in these areas

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typically buy these properties at a
discount.

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And then they expect the same service
that other parts of the valley have.

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When you live in Castle Valley, one
thing being

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that I strongly feel about, we're a
rural community. We're not a city. We

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don't have blacktop roads everywhere.
So you need a consider four-wheel drive

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is a must. We had that in Salt Lake
County when I was president of a

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homeowners association.
That's what we told people. It rains, it

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washes, and you cannot drive your normal
road car, your minivan, or whatever,

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Teslas, whatever they are
uh through those roads. You need a

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rugged vehicle.
And people who want to live in this

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community must be aware that some
services are simply not economically

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feasible and accept it or don't move
here.

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It's that simple.
In any case, I I see any foreseeable end

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to town's need for additional revenue.
And the especially the road maintenance.

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Many of the old residents that live here
on a fixed income

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and they simply cannot afford these
continuing increases both from the

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county and the town. It's a it's a big
burden

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that we need to be aware of.
And therefore I consider that

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unacceptable.
The town sort of brought that upon

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themselves when they took over the road
maintenance from the county.

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It was about the dumbest thing that was
ever done, but some of the people in

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charge at the time and it's not on here
had a vested interest. They thought they

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could do better than the county and we
get punished for it now.

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Um
I think we need to look at the road

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maintenance, see if we could rather than
increase taxes bring our costs down. I

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noticed
Lazarus Lane has been regraded and

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regravelled, partially regravelled a few
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Personally, I don't think it's necessary
cuz you reach our driveway and it's

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muddy and non-drivable
uh as ever. So I think we need to strike

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a balance that everyone needs to live
with.

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And maybe rather than
just increasing the taxes look at what

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we can do
maintenance-wise, what is necessary and

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what's not.
You know, having a town as you Everyone

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here knows my opinion. I love people I'm
dealing with. They're great people.

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But what's in it for me?
You know, I pay all these taxes at the

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way county. What additional services do
I get and other than

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a couple of notaries a year, probably
not much. So

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the whole aspect is not so being in town
needs to be evaluated. Can we do that?

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And if so, we need to do a long-term
plan and not just a one-time tax

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increase. What do they offer people? And
there are some things that we would

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offer.
Uh protection against overbuilding, but

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that can be achieved in other ways if we
wanted to.

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And if we had no property taxes, Castle
Valley taxes, the average owner of

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$850,000
home

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would save $440 a year before and $640 a
year after the proposed tax increases.

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And the county, we already pay for road
maintenance, so

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I personally see
don't see a lot unless we reinvent the

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town, then maybe that is doable.
But absent of that,

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one final closing point and I know I'm
probably over my 3 minutes.

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The In 2026,
South Hadley, Massachusetts,

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proposed a property tax for a hike of
50%.

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And that would have been phased in over
several years, not over one.

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And the voters rejected by 65 to 32%

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The largest increases Utah is in Draper,
25% increase for the 26-27 year. So,

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Castle Valley stands out with that
request.

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Maybe we need to look at services facing
an over several years.

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But a one-year tax increase of that
magnitude is a different burden on the

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community.
>> Thank you, Butch.

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I had um Dennis, was your hand waving up
back there?

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» Well, I couldn't hear it from here.
>> Oh, you were just waving your hand.

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Don, would you like to go next?
>> Uh has the town looked at alternative

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funding sources
rather than a taxing goods.

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If so,
what's the feasibility of that?

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» Like what alternatives? I mean, we have
definitely been using grants this past 2

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years to do a lot of projects that we've
done.

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Unfortunately, to do anything, if you
don't have money in the bank, you just

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the grant wouldn't have even existed for
us if we couldn't have paid for it and

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then been reimbursed.
So, if we don't have capital projects

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money in the bank,
you can't even use those resources.

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» We We received 500,000 over 500,000 for
the Colburn project.

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» So, grants are another source of
>> Yeah.

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» They can, but if you don't have money to
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grants are all based on reimbursement.
>> Not necessarily.

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» All the ones that are available to
municipalities thank you for being here.

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» What about
restructuring

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the tax income? So, it would Draper was
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Draper has a
absentee owner tax,

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which
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you if the if
you're a resident of Draper

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and you're not the property owner,
then that is looked at

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taxing differently.
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occupancy tax.
So, second homeowners in Draper,

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that second home is taxed 50% higher.
>> It's the same in the entire state.

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» Yeah.
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state.
>> Well, actually, I think you get a

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discount for living here.
>> Right. If it's a half

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» You're paying 100% of your second
homeowner and if we're full-time

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residents we get a total of 45.
>> But but if there if there's a second

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home here and it's not the primary
residence of the owner of that property

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are they taxed the same or differently?
>> They're taxed at 100%.

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» Pardon?
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» That's not true. If it's a rental
property and it's someone's primary

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residence, it is taxed as a primary
residence.

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So it it's different if it's a
a nightly rental which we don't have,

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but in town nightly rentals are taxed at
a way higher rate

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than
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» Right, they they occupy
So we that's that's

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and I'm not saying it's a port port it's
a source of revenue here

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necessarily.
>> Well, it is because second homeowners

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are charged at the
full rate uh so

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if if you live here and you're
you're taxed on your residence

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the value of your home, you're only
taxed on half of that value.

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If you don't live here and it's not your
primary residence, you are taxed on 100%

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of the value of your home.
>> Why not 150%?

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» Yeah, that would be a question for the
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» Yeah.
>> Well, I don't know that it's I'm just

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using Draper as an example. My my son
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he has a neighbor
that the house is a rental.

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The tax on that rental
is 50% more than it would be if that

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was a primary residence. It's not a
primary residence, it's a rental.

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Well, that's a higher tax.
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file a four
primary residence

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that's an incentive to have long-term
occupancy instead of

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the short-term
vacation if you rented out on an annual

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contract you file a form with your
county assessor and then it's taxed at a

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different rate primary the county tax
I'm talking about the municipality tax

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that is based on what the county is the
county gives you 50%

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the municipality gives you 50% Well no
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the municipality gets its tax rate
so when when the taxes went up last year

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because everybody's assessed value went
up we did not get any more money than

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prior year yeah let me give you that
example so 2025 our actual property tax

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revenue was a hundred thirty-two
thousand three hundred ninety-eight

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dollars and forty-four cents our
amended budget for 2026 our property tax

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revenue for the year was
whopping increase of like two grand a

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hundred thirty-four thousand eight
hundred fifty dollars so we did not have

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a windfall from that assessment you
should be you should be assessed You

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should be assessed on the
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you have
all I'm saying is that there are other

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municipalities Boulder where I lived
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if you are not a primary resident
living in that home regardless of

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whether it's a short-term or long-term
rent

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that is taxed higher than what a single
property owner would be paying do we

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have that structure here?

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» 100% versus 50%.
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» That's a whole state thing. You'd have
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that.
>> That's not a municipal decision.

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» That is That's not
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any control over.

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» Okay, I've got hands. I saw hands.

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Paulina, go ahead.
>> Um I've I've spent kind of hours going

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into how our property taxes
work, how they're calculated,

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and um
even though because of that assessment a

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year or two ago, everybody's tax here
went up,

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that money didn't go to the town. It
went

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toward lowering the rate for other parts
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It's it's very not it's very
counterintuitive the way the taxes work,

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and there are some um
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letter or somebody has some resources
explaining this that I would be happy to

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put on the our website to help people
understand it.

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But also, if you look at your tax
statement, the town's portion of what

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you're paying is less than 10%.
So, a 50% increase of that 50% sounds

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scary, but it's 50% of such a small
number compared to the schools and the

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library and the fire department. That is
>> Well, that's a different meeting,

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schools and libraries.
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I don't have any kids at school. But
anyway, so it it's it's very

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counterintuitive and it's kind of it
feels backwards the way they figure the

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percentage
and the amounts, and then the the amount

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of revenue through the whole county is
kind of spread out among the county. So,

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ours went up, somebody else's went down.
When I got my tax statement recently, it

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said some other part of the county got
reassessed, so your tax

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amount might go down because of that.
Well, mine didn't, it went up. But

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anyway, it's it seems really weird the
way they do it, but I checked and

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apparently that's
nationwide. It's almost the same

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everywhere.
>> They're supposed to take the whole

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county value as a whole, yes, and then
proportionally allocate to the

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assessment. So, that is correct. Maybe
we need that new subdivision they're

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trying to build with a 10 million dollar
homes.

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» Chances are you got a tax rate going
higher.

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» Mhm. That won't help they created their
own municipality.

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» That's not
>> Right.

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» But the county staff is still there.
Schools and everything.

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» But the point is we did not get a
windfall in the town because of that

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increase. Um
>> I would complain, you should have.

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» Yeah, I would.
>> Yeah.

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» A lot of you
You submit your budget, your whether

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you're the library or the fire
department or town or whatever, you

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submit your budget and then the county
decides if you get all the money you

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asked for. And we haven't had an
increase for like 10 years. 11. 11

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years.
>> years

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» So, anyway, it's it's
it's a system that's hard to understand,

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but
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increase, it was specifically for water
study, it was also for the culvert

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replacement.
And if we wouldn't have done that then

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and started putting money every year
into the capital funds, we wouldn't have

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been able to do that. And it took that
long.

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Yeah, the other problem is that the the
culvert project happened at the same

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time that we would have been chip
sealing House Valley Drive, which is

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very due.
So, this is basically just going right

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back to that so that we can get that
done by next fall.

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» I'm waiting for a lawsuit on that Clover
project.

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» Are you?
>> Well, if you're coming into town and you

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go and you hit the corner the the safety
guardrail safety

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» probably going over 50 miles an hour.
>> No. No, because that safety guardrail is

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going to trip a car. It's not going to
hold a car back. It's not It's not high

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enough.
I I guarantee you that somebody is going

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to at that turn that guardrail is not
high enough to hold the car back should

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they hit it.
The car is going to flip over that

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guardrail and there's going to be a
oncoming lawsuit.

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» But the guardrail is only on one side.
And it's on the uphill side, not on the

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downhill side.
That's what I find interesting.

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» I just I Every time I go around that
corner coming into town

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somebody is going especially
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» Well, I'm just saying
get ready for a lawsuit.

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» Go ahead, James.
>> Why isn't there a guardrail on the

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downhill side?
>> Well, I just

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You said it never was.
>> But that doesn't

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» We We noticed it is because

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budget, not on the guardrail, not on the
pending lawsuits, and I'd like to move

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back to the budget and our tax increase.
>> Thank you.

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You're right.

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I will take more open public comments
about the budget.

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» Uh Okay, and Bill Gaston, 100 West Pace.
Uh appreciate the open town hall here

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just to talk about it.
Recognizing last year's windfall didn't

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really materialize. Uh it is
question the hardship and the potential

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for deferral
that I do think there's some serious

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conversation around
we all took the hit but didn't receive

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any of the benefit and there may be
further legislation or representation

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that needs to take place for the the
this Castle Valley. I I am curious also

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the property amount of property uh and
the improvement of property over the

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past decade has been substantial in the
valley.

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Uh and I don't think we are
compensated basically for the change in

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what's available what
is currently in the valley. It seems

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like we should be receiving a a better
deal from the county on these increases.

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I know we all know that. I think we all
know that and I think we actually need

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to have legal representation to try to
get that. Uh 10 years ago if people

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weren't here for the past decade yeah,
they probably still think there's open

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land but take a look. There's properties
everywhere here and we actually need

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better services and roads and everything
else to make that happen. So as a point

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I think yes, we got I believe the prior
administration screwed and I I would say

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that as a group I think you could have a
relatively good pitchforks and torches

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conversation with the county regarding
that. Uh but knowing that the you

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answered my first question here, there
wasn't a sudden increase in revenue.

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Probably my comment here really is a
question of the three to five year

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projection
of what is going to happen cuz I can see

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us being here next August having the
same conversation.

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Uh I think we are actually behind but
we're not reaping the benefits of what

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should have coming be coming back from
the county.

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So it would be interesting just in terms
of the KPIs, what's the standard we're

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going to hold
what is the correct amount of property

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tax for our valley through 2032?
Uh I don't know if we know that.

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Actually you guys keep a a very nice
budget. I didn't get a chance to print

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it off and and bring it along but uh it
would be interesting to project out the

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next few years because I don't think
your current increase

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is actually
uh

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going to satisfy the required needs for
the valley over the next 5 years. And

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the community
takes the hardship and then the county

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takes all the money. So,
I do think that there is a legal battle

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over the next 5 years to say we need our
share back because if you're going to

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improve taxes, I came from California.
Taxes like the somehow you spell tax

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with California. I don't know how it
works, but

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I'm used to taxes. I get it, but I also
had

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roads and schools and lights and by
golly if we didn't get down to the last

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penny
we were raising cane to get our money

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out of the county and the state to make
that happen. So, I think my primary

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concern, yes, I'd love the property tax
increase to not happen. That's sure.

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But, the reality is if I'm going to pay
the tax, by golly this valley actually

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needs to get what they deserve out of
it.

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And I think that would be where I'd
stake my flag for the next 5 years.

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We got to get roads and
guardrails. I won't do that.

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But, the idea is if we're going to be
paying more, we get more. And I don't

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think the past increase and I guess it's
11 years since the last time we had the

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increase
time to to portion

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pitchfork this thing because we're not
getting what we need out of the county

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and the state to support this valley as
it is today.

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» One comment on to that, we need a post
office here

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cuz we can't get we can't have a post
office

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» I actually I I take everything back.
Post office.

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But,
but conceptually I get the reality of

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taxes, but I don't think we're getting
our due for the increase that these

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these folks, especially the fixed income
folks they didn't move out here to

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suddenly pay three four times the taxes.
So, I see that happening over the next

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five
>> They reassessed them. When it was

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assessed at one value and then a year or
two later it doubled.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah, improvement. We're still living in

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a fifth wheel and yet you know, with a
the you know, a ruthless thing and and

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yet we're taxed you know, they get
increased.

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» It's probably worth four times as much.
>> It's really expensive.

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» And so, that's that's what got me is
that like yes, they they assess reassess

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the value for way more. Like and now
they're like way more and now you're the

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math doesn't even work. So, they tax us.
They increase it but then you don't get

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the same amount of the increase. That
doesn't make any sense.

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» Right.
>> Not unless we ask for it, which is what

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we have to do and
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» Okay, so you're asking for it is not
going to affect us. You're just asking

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for your share out of what they're
taking from us already. It's not going

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to increase our
>> No, it won't.

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» It won't.
>> Well, see that's

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» That's the only and that's the only way
>> But

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they should be just giving you what
giving us what we're we're paying

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what Yeah.
>> I think we're all in agreement on that.

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» Yeah.
>> But we just don't know what to do about

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it. How do you get the county to
I mean, they'd rather spend money on the

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arches shovel than they
>> We should get three of all commissioners

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on the county board. That would
dramatically change.

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» Yeah.
>> Or at least have residents go to the

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meetings.
>> Mhm.

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» And some of them you got that quorum.
>> And remember in November, vote.

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Amen.
>> Uh so,

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» Yeah, that's my 10 cents. I don't think
I'm

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I know the tax increase is real but I
just don't think we're getting our fair

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share. Happy to have a separate meeting
on how to figure that out.

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» Thank you.
>> Yeah.

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» Anyone other than calling that hasn't
gone

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Just sorry but I'll come back to you.
Anyone online um have public comment

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that has not spoken?

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» Uh yeah, Dave Fry here. Hi, guys.
>> Hi, Dave.

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» Hi, everybody. Um
yeah, my comment's pretty simple. I

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mean, I'm looking at my tax property
valuation and tax changes notice that we

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just all got um recently from the uh
from uh Gabriel at the uh uh uh

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uh Grant County uh
auditor with uh

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tr- uh clerk or whatever. Um
It seems pretty

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simple to me. I do understand
everybody's uh issues um and uh wanting

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these these different things. Um And the
last uh gentleman that mentioned um how

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we're not getting um our share out of
the big price tag that the county puts

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on their dollar amount. Um I totally
agree with that. But, I'm looking at my

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tax bill and it says the increase is
$213.41.

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That's how much my taxes are going to go
up for the increase to Castle Valley. Am

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I reading that right?
>> Totally. Yep.

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» Okay. Um
and um

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I mean
and we have two properties here and uh

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so we're going to have to pay some extra
money. I am totally okay

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with giving
Castle Valley $214.41.

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Um
for each property. Um it uh I understand

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that the bills are big, but the portion
that goes to us to our town is small.

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And I think Tory really explained it
pretty pretty well there, too. So,

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$213.41,
I'm all for um

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the tax increase on my properties, our
properties, Susan and I's, to um

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uh
better the roads and continue uh

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uh
making the town better.

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That's my two cents.
>> Thank you, Dave. Thank you, Dave.

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» Ruth, um you've got us tonight. I agree
with Dave. I mean

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obviously we we can afford the increase.
We think that it's necessary. The town

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needs the money. I think it would be
great to get more from the county. I

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don't know if we can figure that out,
but we need the money. We need the money

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for our roads. We need it for all the
other activities that we're doing and

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I we love living here and it's
cheaper than where we came from. So,

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we're we're up for going for the extra
tax.

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We support it.
>> Thank you, Bonnie.

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» Thank you, Ruth.
>> Hey, Colleen.

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» Um I just wanted to say that somebody
said vote. Um

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the last let's see when we had the new
assessment a couple years ago, a lot of

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us filed a protest.
And I don't know how many people

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attended the Zoom meeting of the uh
when they had the hearing for that.

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Um it was very unsatisfactory.
The assessor apparently has nobody

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running against her.
So, I would

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keep that in mind
cuz the assessor was invited to come and

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talk to us out here and refused to come
or send a representative.

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Trisha Hedin came and did her best. But
the other thing was that the uh

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I forget what it's called, but the
hearing uh appeal committee is the

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county commissioners and they all said
"We're not qualified to sit in judgment

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on this stuff. We have no idea how it
works.

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So, we'll just go along with what the
assessor said. So, I would

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pressure the county commissioners to
do something, change the system,

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get a different assessor, do something.
They contract out the assessments, they

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said, and they have for years to the
same outfit.

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That and there's a lot of unequal
assessments that I put in my appeal that

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they didn't care. So, that would be an
angle to

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use.
>> Well, along those lines, see, properties

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on the next to the town are still
significantly lower for no apparent

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reason.
>> Because they didn't reassess that area.

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» Well, they did this year.
And they're still lower.

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» They're still lower?
>> Yeah.

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» Oh, wow.
>> So, someone needs to take a look at

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that.
That is probably the biggest thing just

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because you're on the other side of the
town border. No offense, but I don't

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think the town adds that much value to
anything.

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» Well, people across the creek are in
county.

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» Yeah.
>> receive no road service whatsoever. We

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did not receive road service from the
county on our side roads out here ever.

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We town, POA, the county has never done
road service on side roads here ever.

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So, if you think that that's what
they're going to do if we get to get rid

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of the town and go back to the county,
that's not what's going to happen.

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» Well, I don't
>> We need to talk

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» about the assessment right now. Yeah.
The properties on the other side of the

432
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,080
town boundary should be comparable in
value. There's no reason why they

433
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,680
aren't.
>> and I know why they're not because I've

434
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:27,400
seen them on the market for the same.
>> Yeah. Well, they are, but if you look at

435
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,680
the assessed value, I looked a couple of
months this year.

436
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,680
» Yeah. Well, then they've driven it
because they're selling for the same

437
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,880
amount.
>> Yeah.

438
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:38,320
» They should be assessed higher because
you don't have as many limitations on

439
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:42,880
what they can do with their property as
properties in the town.

440
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:47,280
» Mhm. We think that, too.
>> I know, it's our our our house decreased

441
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:51,480
in value, but our property went up, but
we can't do anything more with our

442
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:57,520
property. I mean, our land. I mean, you
can't build another house or anything.

443
00:32:54,200 --> 00:33:01,960
So, I mean, they're just kind of weird.
The assessment.

444
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,840
» Good people are dropping 400,000 for a
bare lot.

445
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:08,160
» Well, that's the problem.
>> appeals for people who had flooding in

446
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,600
2024.
They did approve appeals for people who

447
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:16,640
had flooding.
And our appeal

448
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:21,360
a portion of our property that floods
was approved. The next 2 years it

449
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,440
wasn't. And well, just like yours. Why
not?

450
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,520
» Three times as much as it was before.
>> Right.

451
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,480
» And it's still the same flooded piece of
property.

452
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,520
» Yeah. It makes no sense. Yeah.
So.

453
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,040
So, talk to your commissioners about the
assessor.

454
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,400
» Mhm.
Well, will that do anything about it?

455
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,200
» Well, that's part of it. But, I do
appreciate

456
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:49,120
the discussion about long-term plan for
where where this goes because I do think

457
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:53,080
and Tory and I have talked about um
capital projects plan at least for this

458
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:57,680
coming
couple of years before she's retiring

459
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:02,560
from her position as the treasurer here.
So, keep that in mind, too.

460
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,560
Um

461
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,400
» See y'all later.

462
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:15,720
» I don't agree with having a a continuous
need for increases down here.

463
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:19,919
I'm more on board with I'm going to ride
my cow if I have to.

464
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:24,040
That's kind of my where I, you know, the
four-wheel drive person. Um but, there

465
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:28,879
are certainly people here and uh there's
an expectation here now from a lot of

466
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:34,240
people that aren't going to
be able to do that, you know. Just And

467
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:40,280
we can't realistically
do that. We have state road funds coming

468
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:43,800
in for every mile of road that we have.
So, we can't just tell people, "Sorry,

469
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:49,280
you just going to have to walk."
>> That's only Castle Valley twice, right?

470
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:55,440
» No, it's all of our roads. You get more
for the paved surfaces than you do for

471
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,520
the gravel surfaces, but it's all all 70
miles of roads that we have.

472
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,920
» Yeah, exactly.
That was in the last year like that.

473
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,840
» Oh, so we have had gravel
>> Yeah, 3 years ago.

474
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:08,640
» Well, anyway
I think

475
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:12,280
I had gravel would be
a less you get less with that.

476
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:20,920
» Random question. Are there
not alternate sources of income, but is

477
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:24,560
direct funding an opportunity Castle
Valley? Do we have to raise property tax

478
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,680
or do you have
funding that 100% state in Castle

479
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,680
Valley?
Would that be appropriate?

480
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,560
» Like donors?
>> Yes.

481
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:38,640
» Single use capital improvement
>> Um I I would find it difficult

482
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:43,160
to rely on donors as a long-term plan.
>> No, yeah, long-term single use single

483
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:48,480
single budget like $5.
>> Project? Yes, we could probably do that.

484
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,480
» Uh okay.
I

485
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,360
I would entertain the possibility that
within scope of what would be reasonable

486
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,800
for
the uh

487
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,880
our neighbors
that

488
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:05,920
there may be a certain criteria or
limited a single time capital

489
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,600
improvement for the valley where we
don't give it to the county and we keep

490
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:13,200
it all within the town.
Uh and see if we could raise the funds

491
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:17,280
ourselves to do it.
>> As a just as like a fundraiser?

492
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:20,680
» One one time for Yeah, cuz that's a $10
million project. That's not going to

493
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:25,000
happen, but if it's
$150,000

494
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,240
to improve something, I I bet you there
There be enough of us to say I don't

495
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,000
want it to
>> Maybe

496
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:33,280
» it was a very important project.
>> Yeah, maybe. I just want to offer that

497
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,640
up as within reason. We don't have money
here.

498
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,400
» Yeah,
time that we have to get Castle Valley

499
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:42,200
Drive done.
We probably don't have the time that

500
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:46,600
we'd take to rally that
a fundraiser to come up with that kind

501
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:51,480
of money. But I do think with this
What did we discuss this year's

502
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:55,080
increase and
I'm not really going to say right now.

503
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,480
» But I'm I'm going to be really
>> We could talk about that at our next

504
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:02,920
meeting.
Um Jocelyn and I have been working on

505
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:06,480
the actual budget and it's been
a little difficult just because of all

506
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,840
of the funding and everything. So
>> Right.

507
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,440
» Um I I'd be more than happy to discuss
that

508
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,400
next week.
>> Okay.

509
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:19,040
So we're probably
somewhat close to being ready for Castle

510
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Valley Drive with this year's increase
and then maybe I feel like we could then

511
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,320
discuss
a better way forward.

512
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,080
Well, you know, if you know, I'll talk
about that

513
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:38,600
» have We never We're never going to not
have a need for some capital projects.

514
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:43,640
My sitting in a in an account ready for
a problem. So, you know, that's always

515
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:48,840
going to be a need.
How we get it there, I don't know. You

516
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:56,040
know, that could be another discussion.
>> Well, this is a step forward

517
00:37:52,080 --> 00:38:02,400
in being able to do that. It took us
almost 10 years to save up what

518
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:08,080
we had in our capital funds and because
of our grants that helped with culvert

519
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:13,000
project we still do have
some money in the capital road

520
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:16,120
funds. So
um

521
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,200
it's looking likely we may be able to do
that next fall.

522
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:23,280
» Okay. What is the figure that NRCS put
in?

523
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,160
» It's like $500,000.
>> Yeah.

524
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,520
So
>> amount of outside money.

525
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,240
» Yeah, half half of it.
Half of it was paid out by

526
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:39,000
» Yeah.
>> Yeah, I right. Generally, like I pulled

527
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:44,080
budgets from the from 2008 through
like 2023 because 20 after that were

528
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:47,720
kind of weird off years because of
projects.

529
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:54,000
And like the amounts that we were
putting in every year just to make these

530
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:57,720
things happen were between five and 40
grand.

531
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:02,280
You know, like whatever we could
basically every year to make these

532
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:07,040
things happen. So, it
It's kind of scrapping things together,

533
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:10,280
which is not a great long-term
huge solution.

534
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,440
» I just have a clarification question. Do
we actually service any debt in town

535
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:21,080
once this all
>> Um, we do have debt. It's buildings.

536
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,640
We're We're getting really low on that.
We're almost done

537
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:29,320
with most of our debt. So,
>> And they're very minimal. I mean, it's

538
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:33,480
like one payment is 7,000 a year. The
other payment's 8,000 a year. It's not

539
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:37,000
» And now that we own our road equipment
and our leasing, you know, some of those

540
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,080
things have gone away. Like we don't We
work towards, you know, keeping them

541
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,800
» the problem.
>> Yeah, that's good.

542
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,880
» We're not just throwing
>> Well,

543
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,720
I think it's maintenance.
>> Maintenance is what I mean.

544
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,960
» Yeah, that's a big
>> Yeah, now they're getting old enough

545
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,360
where we're going to have to start
repairing them.

546
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,120
So,
>> Yeah, one or two more years and then you

547
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,240
say, "Yeah, that's someone else's
decision now." So,

548
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,880
» Um,
I just wanted to say something that

549
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,840
George A. always brings up and that is
that

550
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:10,280
in the last I don't know, I did an
average of what property tax income we

551
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:15,920
were getting 130,000-ish
a year.

552
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:23,400
120 I mean, 125,000 to 134,000 for the
last 10 years.

553
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:27,800
That doesn't buy today what it did then.
And that is our main problem is

554
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:33,720
everything costs so much more now.
>> And yet we're still trying to

555
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:37,280
make this place run on what we were
getting years ago. Everything costs

556
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,920
more.
>> Yeah.

557
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,520
» The diesel
>> was our last chip seal? 150?

558
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:47,880
» 120 bucks.
>> 125,000? 250,000.

559
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,000
For now.
>> But it's everything. It's computers,

560
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,600
it's electricity.
>> hole

561
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,800
repairs to get it ready.
>> Yeah.

562
00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:00,680
» And it'll probably be a quarter inch
thinner.

563
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:05,680
» Yeah. Right. Exactly.
>> Hey, what the cell tower can come have

564
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:10,200
helped putting in the stuff or not?
>> No, I think Brian had proposed that to

565
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,920
the
fire district because of the county.

566
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,000
» Oh.
>> Oh, the county

567
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,960
» Yeah, fire.
>> So I got the valley never even getting

568
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,800
that?
>> Oh, no control zones.

569
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,520
» Okay.
>> So the valley never gets anything.

570
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,320
» That's no matter.
>> Yeah.

571
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,960
» It's still more than we have.
>> But we do

572
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,280
» Yeah, we're going to have.
>> That's the door.

573
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,040
Let's
these street lights.

574
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,960
» Oh, yeah, the cost of everything is
getting ridiculous.

575
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:39,480
» And hiring people to do anything.
>> Yeah.

576
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:43,560
» People won't work for 10, 15, 12, 20
dollars an hour anymore.

577
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:47,520
» Yeah, if you go back and it's on our
finances page of the website. I called

578
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,840
him Scott on there today and put all of
these budgets on there for me because I

579
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:55,000
wanted them. And then she So she Thank
you. Um

580
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:58,960
what we were paying for roads department
in 2008 was like

581
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,840
great.
You know.

582
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:08,520
We're paying people 10
15,000 a year to

583
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520
to do everything.

584
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,480
That's your problem.
>> Not a living.

585
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,680
» No one can live.
>> No one's going to to have a job like

586
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,920
that.
>> Was it full-time back then? Or is it

587
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,640
still part-time?
>> Well, I think none of these jobs

588
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,120
» Yeah, there's never been a full-time.
>> They're

589
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:25,560
» Never full-time.
>> We don't have any full-times now.

590
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:30,120
» I think we when I first
in 2012

591
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:35,280
when I was first on the council,
we had um

592
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:38,720
our roads manager was also our operator
was on a salary.

593
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,400
I think it was like 14,000 a year or
something.

594
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,480
And was working way I mean, he was
probably making like

595
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,440
250 an hour.
>> Uh

596
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:55,680
» Cuz he was working a lot.
And I think that kind of got us spoiled

597
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,680
and the reality hit after he retired.

598
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,200
» Okay.

599
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:06,280
» Neither.
>> What's the next steps?

600
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:10,360
» Um oh, right. Our next steps is that we
will be discussing and taking action on

601
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,080
this
budget at our

602
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:18,360
regular town council meeting next
Wednesday

603
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:22,440
August 19th.
Here

604
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,440
and on Zoom.

605
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:25,800
So, we have a week to

606
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,280
» Oh, we all know it's going to happen.
So,

607
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:39,080
It is really important to get our
capital funds

608
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:43,680
back up. You know, not only for the
road, but to them

609
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,920
have you know, we just basically took
everything out to

610
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:52,720
fix the culvert.
And thank goodness uh you know, in terms

611
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:55,960
of looking for outside money,
>> Thank

612
00:43:53,000 --> 00:44:00,680
» People people yeah, absolutely people
>> Jocelyn for that 500,000 cuz she worked

613
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,920
her butt off for you.
Big time.

614
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,680
The grants are not easy.
>> own account that had been I thought that

615
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:11,720
was its own
>> And that's I voted last year, though.

616
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:15,320
Had you been saving all this time for
that project?

617
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,000
» for the for the road.
>> Yeah, that for the culvert. I thought

618
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,960
that
>> That was our capital roads project

619
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,400
money.
>> Yeah.

620
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,880
» That was one of the projects in that.
>> Yeah, they took all that money out, too.

621
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,480
Yeah.
>> That's the same pot that the county

622
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,480
voted on.
Thanks for the grants. We still have

623
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,600
some in there.
>> You got

624
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:38,000
» Just one really stupid question. We were
talking about commissioners earlier.

625
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:40,400
How come Castle Valley doesn't get their
own commissioner?

626
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,120
» We did have that money.
>> You know, Trish Trish uh Trish she's in

627
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:48,320
your area.
is our area. She's kind of got the rural

628
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,560
area. So, this piece and then kind of
the southern part of Spanish Valley

629
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:56,680
that's in
Grand County. So, she's kind of the

630
00:44:53,200 --> 00:45:00,800
rural representative and if you have
she's really approachable. She'll listen

631
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:05,680
to your concerns.
>> I'm just saying we provide all these

632
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:10,080
taxes here in Spanish Valley. We should
have our own representation. Uh-huh.

633
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,960
» Well, Greg Hales was on there for 4
years.

634
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,160
» Yeah.
>> So.

635
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,360
» And he was the guy I was talking about
that was a supervisor working for Trish.

636
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,840
» So, you need to get him to run. You
should run, George.

637
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,880
» Yeah, George, run.
>> I'd nominate George.

638
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,880
» I know. Second second.

639
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,480
Here's the first question.
>> All right.

640
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:34,240
» It pays money.
>> It does.

641
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:37,240
Hopefully. And like some council
positions.

642
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,240
» Yeah, yeah.

643
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:44,440
» You mean they don't pay you 150,000 a
year to be on the council?

644
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:49,160
» No, I do it out of the goodness of my
heart, George.

645
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,160
» So, the council doesn't pay

646
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,320
» I mean
>> It's a

647
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,560
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

648
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:59,160
But we have a lot
>> Yeah, you got really qualified people

649
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:02,160
here who could take that up, you know.
>> Mhm.

650
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,320
No, we really do.
>> Can I I

651
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:09,440
» A lot of them have been very busy and a
lot of them have already served in all

652
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:12,720
of these roles. That's part of the
problem like where people aren't coming

653
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,560
out here to work, they're coming out
here to retire and be away from things.

654
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,400
» And complain.
>> Yeah, but to be left out.

655
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:26,640
» Yeah, someday when I retire I might
consider it.

656
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,640
» Okay.

657
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,800
» Retirement isn't that bad.
It is.

658
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:37,760
» My wife would kill me.
>> You may or may not be in your entire New

659
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,120
York.
>> All right, well if we're if we're kind

660
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:45,960
of past our substitute
>> Yeah, it was

661
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:49,840
» I'll go ahead and adjourn this public
hearing at 7:17

662
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,560
p.m.
>> Thank you.

663
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,280
» Thank you all. Thank you all for coming.
Appreciate it.

664
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,000
» Yeah.
Very

665
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,680
» I didn't recognize you out of costume.
>> That's right.