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It's 531 and I'm Heather Washburn, the chair, and we're going to start the meeting and we'll start with roll call.

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Patrick Brennan.

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Patrick, I saw you up here. I'm here, Heather. Sorry. I'm here. Okay. Thanks.

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And

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then, John Figgs, Kelsey,

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Jim Farron,

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Reza, Annie, Kim Andrews,

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Kim, I see you but I don't see you.

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I don't know.

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There I am.

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Okay.

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Okay, I got to know, got to know.

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Okay, then again, I'm Heather Washburn and I'm here too.

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So we're gonna go through the approval of agenda.

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Did anybody have any questions on the agenda?

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Tonight it's gonna be the approval of the past minutes.

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Hopefully everybody's read those

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and then the main part of this

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is gonna be figuring out who the new chair is gonna be

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and talk through chair, co-chair, and I don't, I think that anybody has come up as to be

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rotating on thus far, so those are the two items.

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Okay.

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Any questions?

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Can I get a motion to approve the agenda?

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Motion to approve the agenda.

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Okay.

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Can I get a second?

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I'll second.

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go ahead and give it Jim Jim approved Jim second okay thanks Kim and then kind of

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call to vote and if I I'll eight eyes raise your hand or yes hi looks like it's

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unanimous submission carries are there any announcements no staff doesn't have

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any announcements or petitions. Okay, did everybody have a chance to read through all

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three months of minutes? Yes. Okay, did anybody have any questions or need to make any adjustments

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to the minutes?

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I'll take the silence as that we're good to go. So can I have a motion

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to approve the minutes? I'll make the motion, Heather. Thank you, Patrick. Can I get

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second. I'll second.

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Where's that Kim?

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Oh Fanny. Okay thank you. Sorry if I look down I can't see.

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All right so next item is oh sorry we need a vote um can let's vote for approval of the minutes.

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If you approve, please just raise your hand.

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Aye.

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It's to me like it's all.

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Aye, so the motion carries and we can go on to new business.

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So, we can have a discussion of let's do this.

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Does anybody have a nomination for chair?

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that you would like to put forward.

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I'd like to nominate Patrick Brennan as chair.

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I can't stop.

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Patrick, how do you feel about that?

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That sounds great to me. Thank you. I'm honored. Appreciate that. Thank you.

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Okay. Does anybody want to speak on behalf of Patrick and why he would make such a great chair?

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I've enjoyed having him as my co-chair.

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I would say that he had been vice chair, very good comments, and he is the longest serving

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member of the board and given the current board members, so it's a great choice.

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I agree.

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I think moving forward, it's going to be important to have somebody that has had some history

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with some of the projects that they come back through and has had some time to see kind of how

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this commission works and I think would be a very good leader.

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Can we vote? Actually,

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can we make a motion to nominate Patrick for chair? I make a motion to nominate Mr. Brennan

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for chair of the CDC. Can I get a second? John is the second.

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And are we all comfortable

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if I just ask you to raise your hand in acceptance? So if you agree, just raise your hand.

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Great.

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So that passes unanimously

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Heather, could I can I say just a couple of words? Yes, okay. I just want to thank everyone for their the trust they're showing me

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It's it's you know, we talk about community and we talk about what it means to be a citizen

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I think it's all of us showing up once a month and

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Wrestling with these hard questions and you know, we don't have to be here

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But we all choose to be here and just so grateful to be a part of a group of people who wants to collaborate

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who wants to work together, who wants to challenge each other and make our town a better place.

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And Heather, you know, we hope to make you proud. You are in your chair, so we will learn from

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your example and you will be on speed dial. I'm sure you know. So you've set a wonderful example

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for how to work collaboratively and how to build consensus. And we really appreciate your

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leadership. And if it's appropriate, I'd like to also nominate a vice chair potentially.

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I am fine with that.

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Who would you like to nominate?

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I would like to nominate Kim Andrews, as the vice chair.

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Kim, how do you feel about that?

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I think that would be great. I appreciate the nomination.

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Good, because I would second that.

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You were on my list.

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So it's a good day today because...

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It's a good day.

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Okay, so can we have...

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we've got a nomination for Patrick.

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can we get a second for for Kim? I second that. That was from Annie. Again if you agree please

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raise your hand.

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Fantastic. Unanimous motion carries and I would like the floor just for a moment.

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So it was really hard to make the decision to roll off, but I feel like this commission

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is in really good hands and I can go on doing other civic things.

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Things that I would like to leave you in thinking about is that when you're evaluating

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projects that are coming to the CDC, think of it in terms of Chapel Hill as a

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fabric. Not an absolute, that it has to look one way, it has to have one

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material, because a fabric of a community is deep and everlasting and

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And having some differences between is actually what makes a community because their personality

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comes through.

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So always kind of try to put yourself in to their shoes.

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And when I say their shoes, I'm talking about the community that's going to be in that

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space or moving around that space.

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So that's been a big thing of why I was on the CDC with what I could bring to it as far

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as the building and community building and planning part of it.

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So you guys have my email.

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If questions come up, please feel free to email me.

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Jim's emailed me.

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I try to respond in a relatively quick manner, but I'm happy to answer any questions as things

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come up because you guys are going to see projects that have come up before and sometimes it's nice

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to have somebody that has the history. Patrick's got some history, but I've also been able to reach

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out to previous CDC members when I've had questions, so I want you to feel free that

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that that door is open. Thank you. Thank you, Heather. Thank you. Big shoes to fill.

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Go ahead. I just want to say one more thing. Just we are so grateful for your service.

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And I know it keeps saying it, but you've really led it by example.

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Good. I'm Jim and I'm chair and vice chair. I view every voice on this commission equally as

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important and working to build consensus and learning from each other. And so Jim,

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Annie, John, Kim, Kelsey, you know we're gonna lean on you guys and look forward to

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sort of getting to know each other better this process as well so thank you.

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Annie, I see your hand raised but I'm not sure if that was the vote or if you

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wanted to speak. I was just hoping to say a few words as well. Yes. A bit hard

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to follow after Heather being such an important member of the Commission. But

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if nobody was here, if somebody wasn't here when I shared this a few months

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ago. I am also rolling off of the commission. When I was first appointed, it was because

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I was filling in for somebody else who left halfway through their tenure, and theirs would

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have ended during this meeting as well. I was asked if I would like to continue, and

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I'm very sad to say that I won't because after I get married in August, I am moving

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to Philadelphia.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you. Thank you. If I were staying in the area, I would have said yes in a heartbeat. So, even though I've only been able to be a part of this for about nine months or so, it's been a great honor. I've learned so much from you. I hope to join something similar in Philadelphia.

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I've lived in North Carolina my whole life and this area is very special to me. So I just wanted to say thank you for welcoming somebody very young who doesn't know anything at all and letting you from all of you.

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We hope you spread your civic duty wide. It takes a village.

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Okay. So any other business that we need to address, otherwise I'm going to adjourn.

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Just one final point. Heather mentioned about responding. She was very good at response.

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You may want to consider sharing my last email to you was just your thoughts on evaluating projects.

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And I noted it and it was very helpful. I've done a little research on evaluation of CDC types of things.

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And you came back to me with more thoughts. So definitely a great resource and hopefully you'll be open if we do have questions.

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I absolutely will be open and Jim is referring to this email in which he had

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said that I'm just going to read verbatim. I seek to be both objective and

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because this is Jim talking. With the CDC I've not been aware of any points in

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viewing evaluation. I came across some tips to help in decision-making. One

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One, does it fit the neighborhood context?

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Two, does it present enough visual interest?

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And three, is it functional and human, i.e., an accessible entrance, screen mechanicals,

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for example?

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And then four, does it use high-quality materials?

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And then he asked me what I use to project evaluation, and I agreed with the ones that

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he listed.

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I said, I also look at scale.

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Does the exterior feel overwhelming in mass, height, material changes?

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Does it feel welcoming and harmony and comfortable?

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I also look at a project's impact on the environment, its maintenance costs, and does it provide

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opportunities for community interaction?

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For developments, I always want to know how they are handling their stormwater

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runoff.

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Are they building community or are they building individual silos?

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Are they providing opportunities for mass transit or are they promoting our car culture?

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That's it.

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Those were great points.

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Yeah, thank you.

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And I'm going to leave you with, my door is open.

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Please ask questions.

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I love our community.

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So whatever I can do to help support.

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All right, I'm letting you guys go and I'm saying bye. Bye