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Oh yeah.

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Welcome everybody to our
board meeting. Stand to the flag.

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Okay. Roll call.
>> Um, Mr.

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» Mr. Johnson
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» Mr. Hbert
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» Mr. Warden
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» Uh, yeah. I have one. Uh, I'd like to
suggest to the board that uh we update

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the fee schedule for the clerk's office
to incorporate a $10 fee for arms checks

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as we recently had an issue and also to
uh incorporate the uh uh dog license

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late fee increase from $5 to $6 into the
fee schedule as a future topic.

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That's all.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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Okay. We're going to go right to open
forum. Guest shall speak in an orderly

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fashion or limited remarks of five time
minutes or less. The speaker shall

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deliver their comments or concerns in a
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personal attacks, or other disruptive
behavior which may result in offenders

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removal from the meeting. The speaker
shall not be interrupted except for

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matter of urgency. Would anybody like to
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Okay.
All right. We're going to move right on

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then.
We're going to go to 5.1 wastewater

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treatment plant updates. Old business.

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So, we have the monthly update for the
board from Barton and Lejudice.

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Uh, one what? One payup
and an invoice from Barton and Leudus.

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Does anybody have any questions
on those items? Um, are we ever going to

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get that uh one one pump station that we
don't control yet before the project's

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over with or
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» I was talking with Leen about that
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her.
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acquisition.

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Alex, do I understand what you're saying
is that we're moving forward with with

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the I mean that that's the goal,
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» Okay.

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All right. Everybody's all set with
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» I am.
>> All right. 5.2 comprehensive plan

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update. Text my gov update.
Uh you got some background information.

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Uh
the committee met on August 11th last

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Tuesday and they covered a lot of
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It's a pretty energetic group of people.
Uh they want to make sure that as many

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people has input in the comp plan as
possible. So they got a note a lot of

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things they've been doing here.
Uh we got a spokesperson. We got Chris

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Bodc. He's going to have media event
sometime here and we're lucky to have uh

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Lauren Brooks because he has media
contacts so that's all falling into

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place.
I guess the biggest hangup we're having

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is uh getting information on the grant
money. Uh the state is not returning our

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calls to get information what we have
the rules and regulations we have to

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follow follow and such. It's just a
radio silence with them. So, uh, that's

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where we stand on that. I think
I don't know what the deal is. U, Renee

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is making all the contact calls and
stuff and she's just not getting nothing

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back as far as I can tell.
>> No, not yet.

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» But I don't know how long we go or get
close to budget season. I think as a

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backup plan, we should
possibly feel like we're going to fund

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or fund it ourselves and not count on
the grant. not falling into place.

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Other than that, uh we have our next
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conference with meeting or group there.
And our next meeting with CERS

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themselves is the end of September,
September 28th.

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» Okay, everybody get the mailer.
>> I got mine today.

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» I got yours today.
>> I got mine yesterday.

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» I got mine yesterday.
>> Yeah, I got mine yesterday.

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Okay. Well, they're out there.
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» Probably see the surveys jump up now.
Hopefully. That's our whole plan.

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Surveys.
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Dan?
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» And the uh
>> the text mic of tomorrow at 10:00 is

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when the text message is going out to
11,000 people in the town.

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» All at the same time.
>> All at the same time. I want to be

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standing next to a whole bunch of phones
go off.

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» That's what's supposed to happen.
>> All right, perfect. Let's get it going.

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All right. Anything else? Good. All
right. We're going to move on then. 5.3.

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Clerk's office financials.

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» Uh yeah, I have a letter that I'm sure
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bit more present as of June. And uh
currently Tim is over 28.75 hours and

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$56810.
I'm uh predicting a possible $750 by the

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end of the year. And I have uh two lines
I have suggested to venture the money

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from.

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Do you have um

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the amounts from each line that you want
to transfer to to to cover that 750. I

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didn't see a breakdown of which line
item you wanted. There were two you

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wanted to pull it from, but I don't know
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» Uh, I can come up with that. I see what
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» So, I I discussed this with Tom about
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lines and he says it can be done. It's
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year. If you're going to run short
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board can do it by resolution to move
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personnel line. But they want to make
sure he usually says most municipalities

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wait till towards the end of the year to
make sure whatever contracts contractual

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lines are being used for what they need
to be used for so you're not shorting

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» What What is that was the other question
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about is what what are the the budgets
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what made up those amounts and because I
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budget of 5,000 and it has 97% remaining
and the central store room of five of

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$6,000 has just over 74% remaining. So,
uh, what makes up those line items and

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are do you expect to use them?
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through it slowly, obviously. Um, and I
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would have the funds to transfer.
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office supplies and things like that.
Records management is just a bit of a

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catchall for certain other supplies that
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than the office.

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Adam. They're both supply line items.

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supplies. What? Give me an example of
what that would be.

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» Uh well, off the top of my head, um I I
really don't use a lot of money from

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this and haven't yet. Uh just if we need
uh books or binders to put minutes in or

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things like that,
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there's there was budgeted $5,000 in
there, you've used $150

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» and we're in August.
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understand what was in there and what
would the expectation to be to have

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monies in that line item at the end of
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that's what it is
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you're only you've got 70 what 4% left
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» Mhm.
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Does the board wish uh for the next
meeting I will have budget transfers

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for you to review and approve by
resolution to fix some of the lines in

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the budget? Do you want this or do you
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What is your recommendation, Adam? I
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just states that you want to transfer
them, but there is no

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there's no time frame in that letter. So
that I'm just want to know what your

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recommendation is. You want to do it now
or do you want to do it later?

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» Uh I I figured we would wait until
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that unless uh the board advises
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that.
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That would be that would be my thought.
I I have no objection of, you know,

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going with his recommendation. I just
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with waiting. So,
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my point of view.
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ones that are short. Obviously, this
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» Okay.
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» So, you're just giving us a heads up. I
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» correct.
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get this done soon. No, I think I I
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just because we knew it was over, but we
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amount was. I think now that Adam's
identified that and how we'll manage

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that in the remainder of the year, it's
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get the surprise in December.

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I just I don't want it to go
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um
as far as the process goes, the checks

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and balance part of it. Um there's got
to be, you know, what's the process,

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Adam, that you're going to be putting in
place that you're author, you've

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authorized these expenditures that are
over the line item without authorization

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to spend the money.
So at some I I would like to see a

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written policy from you to the board on
what your department policy is on

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when you when you know that you're
asking him to work more hours. That's a

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that's going to translate into a line
item expenditure and how how are you

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dealing with that throughout the year?

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» Do you mean to hunt down a policy or
suggest a policy? Is that what you're

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asking? That's what I'm asking for is to
to see or for you to develop a

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department policy on how you're handling
all your line items, not just this, but

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uh when you're when you're doing
something that's going to be over

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budget,
how is your department handling that?

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» Okay. As far as I know, there is, but I
can come up with something to suggest

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for that.
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All right, we're going to move on.
Everybody's good with that?

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» Yep.
>> All right. 5.4 Hometown Heroes. Uh Luke

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couldn't make it tonight. Um everybody
see the information that he has there.

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We can uh we can put it on next meeting.
>> Let him discuss.

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» I'm sure he'd like to be here for that.
>> Okay. So, we're going to table that till

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the next meeting. Uh 5.5
department head probation discussion.

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Uh you want me to put that back on there
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Do you want to discuss it tonight or do
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table it for the whole board?

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» I have no issue with tableing it for the
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So till next meeting we can just do it
in the same.

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» Yeah I think I think we should for the
whole so for so when everyone's here I

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think that discussion should include
everyone.

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Okay. Oh,
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had sent um I did see that
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put that in because we're not going to
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didn't do um I didn't send was a a
template for

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um for the department head a whole
outline issue for the a template for the

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department head position with those
items kind of broken out into different

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sections
and if you're interested with for that I

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can forward that on. I would I would be
>> because I I did read what you what you

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had sent and and again not to carry on
that conversation tonight, but I would

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like to see that template. If you put
that together and send that out, that'd

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be great.
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» All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» All right. We're going to skip over the
public hearing because that'll be at 6

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PM.
We're going to move on to there's no new

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business tonight, so we're going to go
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highway report.
Uh first up, you'll see the Fox Road.

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Um, I went ahead and got Hunts in there
to do that for me and we uh made the

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deadline of August 11th to get this
submitted to the state so that we could

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get that uh monitoring plan in place so
that we can be removed off of the red or

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to the inactivation uh report there for
that. So, and I put the report in there.

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So you guys have that doesn't mean that
we're out of the water of not doing

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this, but it opens us up to give us some
time to for me to try to evaluate and

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get a plan going to get that replaced or
what we got to do.

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Anything with that? Any questions on
>> Darren? That was a periodic monitoring

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particularly after a rain event.
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do it um after every um heavy rain or
every 3 to six months. They'll check it

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for us. That's how they wrote it up and
they're going to do it. Uh I'm checking

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it on a weekly basis because if
something does happen in between, uh we

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they'll come right out and take a look
and see where we need to go. But I'm on

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it weekly um if not a couple times a
week. So, just because I don't want to

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see an issue that I can't take care of.
But but there is no date that says you

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have to have a new one in place by this
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» No. No, not right now. But uh they Hunts
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needs, you know, we got time with it.
It's not like it's the road's going away

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completely. Um but something we need to
put on our radar to get

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» Yeah, we we do need to keep that on the
front burner, keep it moving along for

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sure.
>> So, but it's not something tomorrow,

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which is good.
Um, at the same point, I'm reached out.

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We're in the process of sending out
letters um to Senator's office and to

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Joangelino's office to see and let them
know what we got with all this to see if

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there's any help that they have maybe
towards the end of the year or starting

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at helping us next year. I also reached
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um Broom County one and she's going to
get back to me. I have a meeting with

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her coming up in two weeks or a week.
Um, so I'm hoping we can talk about it

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and see what they can do to help us. Um,
so I'm looking at funding so gives us

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some time.

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Um, number two, the salt shade the salt
shed update is you can see there um

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asked for where I'd like the money to
come from. That's where the extra would

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come from. I also had talked with Hunts
on this one and

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this project is they're working on
redoing the bid package to um to reflect

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the start and end dates changing. So the
start of of construction would be

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sometime in either April or May of next
year and completion would then be either

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June or July. So it gives us next year
in time and they feel that the price

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will definitely come down as well. Um
because it's to get it done them to get

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into it do it this year and it gives us
and they're going to change he's I

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talked to them they talked to us today
they're just they're going to try to

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adjust some of the stuff for us to look
at on like the wall and construction

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there. So it gives us some more time.
Darren, is there is it their opinion

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that the estimate that we have is based
on an expedited schedule?

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» Yes,
>> that's what they put it on.

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» And then Darren, if you would just
because I know we talked, you and I

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talked with Joy about when we need to be
under contract for purposes of the grant

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because that's, you know, it's not
shovel and ground. It's actually just

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we've awarded and the contract is signed
by what was the date? So, we have a

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deadline of October whatever for us to
do once the first step of the paperwork

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and we're getting we're going to meet
all that. It has nothing to do with

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going to bid or signing contracts. I
believe that

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is November, but we have to get through
the first step in October to meet that.

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And then there's another deadline in
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» Yeah. So, from what Joy was saying, it
sounds like we have to be under

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contract, you know, it awarded contract
signed Yeah. for the grant by sometime

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in in November. So, we we do have a
little more time than I think we felt we

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had earlier this year.

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» Uh number three there, uh CDL training.
I have one of my senior guys. We have uh

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um the trailer and trucks situation with
pulling our skid steer and stuff. He

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went out, got his um class A um permit.
So, I'm starting to use him to pull the

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trailer and truck with our with Todd,
our mechanic. But this is the guy that's

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running the machine all the time. So,
I've uh I'm going to sign him up for the

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course and get it done so that he can
get trained and be uh get his CDL so

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that he can just pull that and I don't
have and then it gives me the operator

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and then Todd as a backup in case we
need it. But this is going to help me

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save time and stuff.
And it shows the line item there where

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I'm taking it from. So it's out of my
highway, superintendent lines where I

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have money in there for.

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And then the last one is the job posting
for um I want to put it back out because

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I did it before. This is to replace the
guy that's retiring. I'm still working

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the full out details with him, but I
just want to get the so I can get it let

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you guys know. I want to get it posted
and then he can let me know. We're

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working on his schedule of his when he's
actually leaving and then exact dates

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and that way I can get a start on a guy
coming in. My goal would be to have

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somebody now um start which would be the
end of September which would be either

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September 28th or the 12th of October
depending on time frame of me getting

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applications and and that kind of stuff.
But I just want to let you know I'm

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working back on that. And then that
shows the figures where I'd pull out of

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the my highway fund balance um if for
>> And that would be your shortfall on that

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personnel line.
>> Yes.

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» And that shortfall is based on
the 28th of September.

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» That's based on the 28th as of right
now. Yes.

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But as I look at it, I'm trying to dates
in place. So

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because I'm probably going to post it
for two weeks and then go from there.

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See what I can get.
But it wouldn't be more than that. No.

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And then just one quick thing that I
didn't get on here. I apologize, but

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real quick, drop off days, cleanup drop
off days are going to be September 16th

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through the 19th at our landfill. At the
same time, I'm going to have a dumpster

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put in Castle Creek so that we can start
removing and that week we can start

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removing cleaning up some of the stuff
in Castle Creek at the same time. And I

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spoke with Greg about this and we'll
work together to get it. I'll start on

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it while we have the dumpsters for that.
Just to give you a heads up on that.

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» Excellent.
>> Darren, that's remove that's removing

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the debris that's at the top of the
hill.

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Yeah, we're going to move whatever's at
the top of the hill plus we're going to

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get the unit at the bottom moved that
shed moved and then whatever's inside

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that we'll get that cleaned up and put
in a dumpster.

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» Okay.
>> Yep.

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» Great. Thank you.
>> That's the plan. So, as long as we can

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get it done,

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» any other questions for Darren?
I just want a clarification on the salt

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shed budget line item of 8 of a 878A.

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I couldn't I couldn't find that specific
one in the budget. So, I just wanted to

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make sure that that was correct.

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» What is it again?
>> A 878A.

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» It's on your financial

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It's a capital improvement reserve.
>> It's a capital improvements reserve fund

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» as 1,464,231.74.

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It's under fund balance.
>> Okay. So, it's it's not

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» it's not actually in the budget for
it's what we put in

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in the past. for reserve fund.
Okay,

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it's what we allocated fund balance to
because we also have we have a whole

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bunch of stuff in here. We have
the roof the roofs in there, the parking

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lot comprehensive plan,

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building condition study, a lot of
that's been used.

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All right. So when when we get the fund
balance report stuff all squared away,

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we can include that in it
like

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that'll update the information. I
couldn't find it in there. That's that's

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why I was looking for that line item.
That's all.

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» So, but it it's actually the it's it's
coming out

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» the it's coming out of the fund balance
which is got a subline for the uh

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reserve fund. So
>> yes,

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» that explains it to me. Thank you.
>> Yep.

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» All right. Any other questions for
Darren?

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» I have none.
>> Okay, we're going to move on then. Uh

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8.2 attorney's report.
>> Pretty short one. You'll see it

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attached.
Um if anyone has any questions for me

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about things that you want me to look
into, let me know. I'll be in the town

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hall for my office hours tomorrow. Uh, I
am out of town next week, so I won't

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make next a week from Thursday, but I I
will be working a bit remotely and

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certainly available by phone for
anybody.

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Questions for Nate?
>> I don't have any. Okay, we move on to

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8.3 supervisor support report. You'll
see the June monthly financials.

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I just received the July financials hot
off the press.

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Um
I will have those to you for the next

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meeting and I hopefully have the I'll
have the fund balance report and

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hopefully budget line adjustments.
>> He's catching up.

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» He's catching up now. Um even the July
we still have it's not complete. There's

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still a few things we're still working
on the trust in agency account. So, so,

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but we're we're getting there. Um,
hopefully once we get it all cleaned up,

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it'll be easy moving forward.

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Uh, also you will see the 2024 and 2025
uh core audit reports that Jay and Luke

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did.
If you have any questions, I guess

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address them to Jay.

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» How much time did it take you to do it?
>> Well, we went through this. We spent

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quite a bit of time, actually. longer
than we would have if we had some

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experience at it. So when we went up
there um we asked the clerks to really

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take us through multiple transactions
and um and then after multiple

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transactions we obviously had a series
of questions while we were going through

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those transactions and how all those
items are handled, how the records are

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kept and then all the paper transactions
and then we reviewed we did a sample

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review for each year. We just randomly
picked several months from each year and

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went through them essentially looking
for irregularities based off of the

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process that we went through when we
talked to them. And quite frankly, it is

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a really well-run organization up there.
Um I I have to commend them. Um, I

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probably I probably spent
in total probably five hours with the

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clerks and um, Luke was probably three
going through some additional paperwork

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and just random samplings just to see if
the paperwork,

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you know, the the documentation trail
actually matched what they were telling

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us. So, I personally was very satisfied
with the operation up there. I think um

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I think the clerks do do a great job and
certainly take a lot of pride in what

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they do.

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» Weren't we supposed to have a resolution
for this?

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» I could have sworn I sent one to Jody,
but

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» we can certainly add it. I mean, it
shouldn't be an issue to add it to the

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next meeting.
Yeah, because she can't send it in to

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the reporting without a It has to
include the court's resolution accepting

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the audit. So, we'll have to do it for
the next one and then we can file them.

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It's my bad for not catching that.

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Uh, the only other thing I have is that
we uh do Does anybody have any questions

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for Jay on the
>> No, I don't.

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» Okay. I uh budget sheets are out to the
department heads. Um at the time I got

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them to them that it was the May updated
to the end of May. We we are updated now

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to July. If you guys would like I can
print updated sheets if you want to see

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where your expenditures are up to July
if that helps out.

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» Okay.

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» Okay. I

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Okay.

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» I haven't had a chance to even touch it
with working with EDUs and everything

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else. So,

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» all right.

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» You're welcome.
Any questions for me?

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None.
>> All right, moving on to resolutions.

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Resolution 9.1
approving abstract number 16.

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» So moved.
>> Second.

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» Any discussion?
>> None.

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» None.
>> Mr. Slaughter is absent. Mr. Simonus.

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» Hi.
>> Mr. Johnson.

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» Hi.
>> Mr. Halbert.

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» No.
>> Mr. Warden. Hi. Uh, resolution 9.2,

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Jean, I think, um, you'd mentioned
earlier this resolution, I think, was a

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placeholder for that department head
evaluation report or excuse me, form.

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» Um,

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well, we tabled the discussion.
>> Yeah. So, I'm just

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» So, I'll make a motion to table this um
9.2 resolution until next meeting.

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» Second.
>> Any discussion?

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» None. None.
Mr. Slo is absent. Mr. Simonus.

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» Hi.
>> Mr. Johnson.

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» Hi,
>> Mr. Halbert.

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» Hi.
>> Mr. Warden.

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» Hi.
>> And then Gan, I think 9.3. My

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recollection was you were going to get
pyramid to orid.

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» Yep. I don't I don't have the uh I don't
have the information to support that

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resolution. So, make a motion to table
that.

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» Second.
>> Well,

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» any discussion on that?
>> None.

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» None.
>> Mr. Slot is absent. Mr. Simonus.

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» Hi.
>> Mr. Johnson.

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» Hi.
>> Mr. Hullbert.

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» Hi.
>> Mr. Warden.

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» Hi.
>> Then 9.4. This is the resolution

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amending the 2026 284 agreement at the
last meeting. There had been a question

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that stumped Darren and I because we
were having a brain fart.

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Couldn't couldn't read our own
resolution. So, um, Jean, you had noted

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that 215 number didn't match the number
at the bottom of that exhibit. So,

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that's on purpose. Those are actually
two different uh amounts of money

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because they're for two different
categories of things. The first, the

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215,000 is for the general repairs. And
then the permanent improvements number

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two says see attached list and the
number at the bottom of that is the 280

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to
335 and 1 cent. So those are that was on

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purpose.
We apologies for not being able to fully

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explain that at the last meeting.

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» So can you explain that again then?
>> Yep. So number one is the general

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repairs in the agreement.
And then you'll see it says $215,000

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for primary work and general repairs.
>> Mhm.

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» Permanent improvements is the road list
attachment which is the reconstruction

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and re uh and repair as described where
it's mill and paving projects and oil

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and stone maintenance general repairs
which collectively is $282,335

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in one set.

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» Right. that's not necessarily identified
in the attachment, right?

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And that's what was ambiguous.
>> We kept looking at that and saying there

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must be another attachment or something
that we're not seeing. But the general

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repairs is an overall fund and the
specific permanent improvements are

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identified in the attachment which is a
different amount.

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that she

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couldn't figure out.
>> I just think to remove the ambiguity in

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the future under section two of that
resolution, it would have been good to

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put the 282 in there. So then we would
have seen that correlated with the

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attachment.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I I can also see because

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collectively it's, you know, 497,
we should just say $497,000

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is authorized as follows. General
improvements number

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uh whatever the other one's called
number, just to to be clear.

423
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,640
» I agree.

424
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,560
Let's just forget it.
>> All right. I make a motion to accept it.

425
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,440
» I make a motion to accept the
resolution.

426
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,680
» I'll second that.
>> Any discussion?

427
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,160
» None.
>> None.

428
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,359
» Mr. SL is absent. Mr. Sonus.
>> I.

429
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,640
» Mr. Johnson.
>> I.

430
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,839
» Mr. Hbert.
>> I.

431
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,119
» Mr. Warden.
>> I

432
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,000
All righty. We're going to move right on
to future board topics.

433
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:09,560
Let's get a meeting together for
92.

434
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:24,400
So, we're going to have
let's just have our first two on old

435
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,440
business. Wastewater treatment plant. We
have hometown heroes to move to next

436
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,720
meeting
>> comp plan and then we're going to go

437
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:36,880
hometown heroes. We're moving that
>> right. Um Jean, do you think you'd have

438
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:40,720
the information from Pyramid to asssure
that they're following our procurement

439
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:44,079
policy to be able to have that on the
meeting or not?

440
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,400
» Hard to say.
>> Yeah, just keep it on.

441
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,760
» Why don't we keep it
>> keep it on?

442
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:48,800
» Let's I agree
>> for 92.

443
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,880
» Yep.
>> What you want for 92?

444
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,520
» The u the network storage.
You you just want that on as a

445
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,240
resolution with backup material.
Correct.

446
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,920
» Correct.
>> That's that's why I've left it on there.

447
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,760
John sent me an email today. So,
>> okay.

448
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:04,240
» When you get a chance.
>> Yep.

449
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:08,640
» We need the resolution for the court
audits, too.

450
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:13,359
» Yes, we need a resolution court audit.
>> Do we need to do them independently

451
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:18,640
because they're different years?
>> Uh I I am not aware of a requirement,

452
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,560
but that's actually a good question. I
don't know. I had originally I have

453
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:28,560
drafted it as just one resolution
approves them both.

454
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:34,079
That's probably fine. Uh but if you guys
I'll I'll break it up into two just in

455
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:38,640
case because it's not a big deal. Okay.
>> I'd prefer to see it that way myself.

456
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:42,400
» I would too.
>> It would probably be better for when she

457
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:47,920
has to file it, send it in to have two
resolutions, one for each one.

458
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:51,599
Uh,
>> do we want to uh

459
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,200
» do we need an update on the fee
schedule?

460
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:58,839
» Yes.
>> Let's get that out of the way.

461
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:58,839
» Yes.

462
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,960
» You want that under new business?

463
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:09,200
» Yes.
>> There is some new fees. Some of the old

464
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:15,200
» Yeah, new business.
>> Some of the old fees I don't think we we

465
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:20,079
never updated the schedule. So
we just need to I guess we need a clean

466
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:23,040
resolution updating the fees. So I think
we should have a discussion before we do

467
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:27,760
the resolution.
>> The last time we had the conversation we

468
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:35,640
talked about
doing those at year doing those at not

469
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,640
the year end but as the initial

470
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,079
um
>> the year.

471
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:44,720
» Yeah. our our resolutions at the
beginning of the year is are these fees

472
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:49,920
that then we were we were only going to
do them mid mid year if there was an

473
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:54,720
urgency for increasing these fees.
>> So a few of them there is an urgency

474
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:59,599
because they're being collected.
So we need them on the fee schedule

475
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:03,520
because we approved it by resolution.
>> So I think where something's already

476
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:08,160
been approved. It just needs to be sent
off to general code for general code to

477
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:14,880
update it because that portion of your
town code compilation says you can amend

478
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:18,880
this schedule by resolution and that's
what you've done. It's just I guess no

479
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:23,440
one circled back with general code to
say, "Hey, please change this." That's

480
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,440
fine. So, I don't want to get into it.
We're talking about future topics, but

481
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:32,240
we've talked about the roofing permits
and then the dog license late fee for

482
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:37,839
$1. Those are both approved by
resolution by the board. So,

483
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,280
» oh, I don't remember the dog license
being done by resolution, but if it was,

484
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,480
what
>> we'd have to go back

485
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,319
» bring it up again.
>> I think it's just to approve the fee

486
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,520
schedule,
>> right? Isn't that what we need to do?

487
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:59,440
I do think we should just put it on I
think we just put it on the agenda

488
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,760
» and we'll have discussion
>> so we don't get into it right now.

489
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:07,079
» Okay.
>> All right. That's fine. So under new

490
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,079
business,

491
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:17,880
uh department head probation discussion
under old business.

492
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:35,760
Are we are we doing that tonight? We
carried it over from last meeting.

493
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,240
» Do you want to do it without a full
board?

494
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:41,800
» That was the only That was the only
concern I had.

495
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:48,760
» I I have no issue with postponing. I
just That's fine.

496
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:55,040
» Okay.
>> It's It's It's up to you guys. It's your

497
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,720
It's It's your call. I have
>> No, I I I think we should have a full

498
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:02,720
board. I
>> I believe so, too. I Let's do that.

499
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,079
» Let's just do the full board and do it
on 92.

500
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:10,800
» Okay.
>> Okay.

501
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:14,359
» Uh we have uh for 92 we had uh Joyy's
replacement discussion.

502
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,800
» You want that back on there?
>> Yes.

503
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,960
» I have no I have no reason to change it.
>> Me neither.

504
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:28,800
» New business.
>> Um

505
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:33,119
» I don't think we discussed this before.
Okay. So, this is new.

506
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:37,119
» Yeah. If there's room, Kevin, the secure
vestibule, I do I do have a plan I can

507
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:43,640
share with everyone.
>> Okay.

508
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,640
» I know that old business.

509
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:54,440
» How about uh
we had the department head job

510
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:54,440
description discussion. Do you want that

511
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,480
on there?
>> Yeah, we can include what you the

512
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:05,800
information you gave and anybody else
has information they want to put into

513
00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:05,800
it, we can get it on the agenda.

514
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,920
» Does anybody have anything else?

515
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:29,280
» I don't have anything. Oh, just have a
question. When are we um when are we

516
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:36,040
doing our budget discussions? They're
not they're not listed anywhere as a

517
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,040
bullet item or a date. So, I just

518
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:47,839
Yeah, we got we got to do we got to do
something soon. Um but I suggest that

519
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:52,400
your next discussion on it just be
deciding the dates. So if you may I

520
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:56,720
don't think it'll take you guys long on
September 2nd to just talk about when

521
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,480
you want to have your meetings to
actually talk about it because you guys

522
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:04,560
might need special meetings and better
to figure that out sooner than later.

523
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,400
» So So the supervisor has to file the
tenative budget to the town clerk by

524
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:12,400
September 30th.
Do you guys want to dis I'd rather

525
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:17,040
discuss it with the board than me just
filing

526
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:20,960
whatever I feel. Do you want it? Do you
want to work on it?

527
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,040
» And Kevin, I I'll note that's a that's a
deadline for you if you want to file it

528
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:28,760
sooner.
>> Yeah, we can file it. You can

529
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,760
» Well, I can if you want I mean

530
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,599
I haven't got
>> You want to put it on?

531
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:34,800
» S September 30th.
>> September 30th is the deadline for the

532
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:38,079
tenative budget to be filed with the
clerk's office.

533
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,520
» I I'd like to have the discussion on the
16th then.

534
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:45,040
» Perfect.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I can and hopefully I

535
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:50,079
can have all everything to you guys
before on the agenda for the 16th, all

536
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:54,000
the department heads information, all
the backup material.

537
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,480
» That'll be my goal. So, so
>> let's do that.

538
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,960
» All right. I as soon as I even if it's
before then so you can really go through

539
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,240
it. But
>> I that was going to be my question. Do

540
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,319
you think we could you'd have it
preliminary to us by the 16th? We hope.

541
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,640
» I hope.
>> Okay, good enough.

542
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,560
» I I haven't had a chance to
>> No, I know. I know. And we're in catch.

543
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,720
I understand.
>> Okay.

544
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:20,079
» All right. But so so 9:16 is the the
initial is the preliminary budget

545
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,880
discussion.
>> Yes. Let's do 9:16.

546
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,599
» Okay.
>> Do you want department heads here or do

547
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:29,040
you just want to look at what we have
and work on it with is that that'll be a

548
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:32,319
future that that's when we go to
preliminary. I believe

549
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,760
» I I I think it's just discussion for me
and we can

550
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:42,440
that's all I need. Y
>> okay.

551
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,440
» All right. We can do that. Okay.

552
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,680
Because we uh
Do you want the other deadlines or do

553
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:52,079
you want
>> just

554
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:55,079
Yeah. What are the other deadlines?
>> So

555
00:46:56,319 --> 00:47:05,359
says uh October 5th, town clerk presents
tenant budget to the town board.

556
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:12,160
November 5th, last day to legal notice
of public hearing on the town budget.

557
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:19,119
And November 10th, last day to hold
public hearing on preliminary budget.

558
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:23,839
November 20th, we must adopt the budget,
the final budget.

559
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,599
» Yeah, those are those are just the last
days.

560
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:29,359
» Those are just the last days. Those are
the deadlines.

561
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:37,680
» Um I had something I misunder I mis I
misheard you. The 105 was the tenative

562
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:41,920
and then 11:15. So, so, so, so 9:30,
September 30th would be the last day for

563
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:46,000
me or for this, it says supervisor,
whatever, to file with the clerk, the

564
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:51,359
tenant of budget, and then the tenative
budget gets presented to the town board.

565
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:55,800
It says 105, but I would assume it would
be our next meeting.

566
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:03,760
» Okay.
And then it was 11:15 and then you went

567
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:06,720
to 11:10. Did I misunderstand that? No,
it was 115.

568
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:11,680
» 115
was the legal notice.

569
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:16,400
» Last day for legal notice and then
>> and then 11

570
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:24,079
» 10 is the last day to hold the public
hearing on the preliminary budget

571
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:30,040
and then 11:20 we must adopt final date
to adopt the budget.

572
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,040
» Okay, I got it. Thank you.

573
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,079
All

574
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:42,359
right. Anybody have anything else for
the future topics?

575
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:42,359
» None.

576
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:54,440
» All right. What would you
We have 15 minutes before we can have

577
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,440
the public hearing.

578
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:03,319
Is there any executive sessions we have
to do

579
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:15,400
that I can not that I think of nothing
nothing that we can do in 13 minutes.

580
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,400
» Okay.

581
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:24,400
Well, we can take a recess for for 13
minutes until 6 p.m. We can't have the

582
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:29,280
public hearing because it's advertised
for 6 PM. So, we'll have to take a

583
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:34,920
recess until 6 p.m. and then we'll start
the public hearing. Okay. Thank you.

584
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:41,480
And so

585
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,079
disagree with you.

586
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,280
Monday

587
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:36,000
Oh, I don't I don't have it I don't have
it written down, but I can Hey, Adam.

588
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:39,400
the uh the guest passwords
>> for the Wi-Fi.

589
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:38,359
I'm horrible. I'm gonna do I'll do my
best at it.

590
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,319
I don't think people understand.

591
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,960
You know,

592
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:56,839
I want to about
10 12

593
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,520
» I don't

594
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,720
Oh, perfect.

595
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:15,079
best

596
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,280
are going

597
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:42,920
It's time for

598
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,440
Why would you make it available?

599
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,920
And then I'll bring

600
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:09,240
No, I couldn't get enough.

601
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:21,319
I don't mind shoes, but I don't like
high heels.

602
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,520
I don't know.

603
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,040
565.

604
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,960
No, I want to miss something.

605
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:39,319
What?
>> I got

606
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:39,319
» I got 57. Am I off?

607
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:48,160
» Yeah, I have 57.
>> I don't want to start the world.

608
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,119
Huh?

609
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,079
» 51.
>> Mine says 58.

610
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,799
» I'm at 58.
>> Oh, you're on. You said you're on the

611
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:02,599
network.
>> Yeah, mine says 58.

612
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:12,079
» It says 58 on my phone.
>> He's going to do an explanation to start

613
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:20,359
how little history of this and why we're
here, what the val what it represents. I

614
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:20,359
just think everyone's going to be frust

615
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:26,280
using using little water.
>> Yeah.

616
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:33,799
» Huh?
>> Musical.

617
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,640
» That is what he wants.
>> My head.

618
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:06,200
How are you?

619
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,119
Let me have the post.

620
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:01,280
Okay, it's 6:00 p. p.m. We're going to
start the uh public hearing. I'd like to

621
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:05,839
welcome everybody for coming tonight. Uh
we're having a public hearing tonight uh

622
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:09,760
for the 2027
assessment improvements for the

623
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:16,480
consolidated sewage district. This is a
debt assessment.

624
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:22,799
Um this project started back in 2017
2018 was beginning engineering on it. It

625
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:27,680
it was uh required by EPA and the DEEC
to upgrade the sewage our sewage

626
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:31,760
treatment plant and the way it's
delivered to the plant with the pump

627
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:34,319
stations and the mains. Correct. Just
correct me on it. I'm just trying to

628
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:37,319
fill everybody in why we're here
tonight.

629
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,200
» So the the

630
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,799
» Hold on a second. He's going to get a
microphone.

631
01:04:54,079 --> 01:05:00,960
We have to meet DEEC and EPA
requirements for our influ and our

632
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:05,039
effluent uh especially the effluent
that's discharged into the Suscuana

633
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:09,160
River Basin.
There's new guidelines out there.

634
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:15,240
So the the project cost is $45,999

635
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:24,799
$999,9998.
There was a $11 million grant that the

636
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:31,200
town received and then a $5 million
grant that the town received.

637
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:34,839
So the the portion that needs to be paid
back is $29,967,996

638
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:44,799
and that is over a 30-year bond.
So over the next 30 years, we have to

639
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:51,359
pay this back and it's it's spread out
between all

640
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:56,000
everybody in the sewer district.
And to clarify, the sewer district's

641
01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:00,559
consolidated. Um I have seen some
letters that came in regarding the old

642
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:07,200
sewer district numbers, but there is one
particular sewer district. Um and this

643
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:12,720
has just anyone that has access to the
sewer is being assessed these .edu

644
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:18,640
amounts whether you use them or not even
if it's a vacant parcel. So, the way the

645
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:24,720
edus were developed were back in the 90s
and that's how um some of you have

646
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:29,920
received response letters from the DPW
regarding the road frontage and how the

647
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:38,000
edus were calculated. Um that can still
be assessed by town code 56-5K

648
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:42,559
identifies how it's calculated for each
parcel. So, I know I I've received

649
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:47,359
several letters identifying vacant
parcels or parcels that just aren't

650
01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:52,640
being used or parcels that don't have
any plumbing in them. As long as you

651
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:57,760
have access to the sewer system, you are
being assessed that it's no different

652
01:06:55,039 --> 01:07:03,359
than, for example, I live on a state
road. I don't live on a town highway

653
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:07,440
road, but I pay the town highway tax
because I have access to those town

654
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:11,520
highway roads. It's essentially the same
thing. So, as long as there's sewer in

655
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:16,160
front of your house, you will be
assessed an edu in accordance with

656
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:22,079
56-5K.
Just wanted to make that clarification.

657
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:27,920
So, the 56-5K is the town of Shenango
code where the edu assessment was

658
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:34,359
applied to each property.
Um, am I missing anything? Anybody else

659
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,359
like to add?

660
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:47,799
I did put copies of the town code over
by the agenda. I didn't put enough

661
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:47,799
obviously, but there in that slot.

662
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:55,119
» And just so everyone understands, the
edu assessment is different than your

663
01:07:52,799 --> 01:08:00,480
use. Your use is a separate charge and
that is based use. This has nothing to

664
01:07:57,839 --> 01:08:07,760
do with how much water you use. It's
it's the it's the paying back the cost

665
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:13,760
to upgrade our community system. The way
these edus could potentially go down is

666
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:18,080
more users, people get on the system or
useful,

667
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:22,080
you know, development of some sort. We
can take more capacity. What that

668
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:29,520
capacity will be will be depending on
what users are available or or how much

669
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:34,640
a new user would be using. So, you know,
we are going to be getting to I think a

670
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:39,440
fairly signific significant cost to the
edus and it is my hope is that as we go

671
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:44,159
through our comprehensive plan and the
town develops more that those .eduus he

672
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:49,359
used will come down over the next
hopefully sooner than later over the

673
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:55,520
course of the term of the bond which
again Kevin pointed out is 30 years

674
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:58,520
» which brings us to 206
206.

675
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:05,920
» All right. So we're going to open the
public hearing. You have five minutes to

676
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:10,239
speak.
Uh so we'll read the little blurp here.

677
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:13,520
Hold on.
Guest shall speak in an orderly fashion

678
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,560
or limited remarks of five time minutes
or less. The speaker shall deliver their

679
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,359
comments or concerns in a civil tone
without the use of profanity, personal

680
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,000
attacks, or other disruptive behavior
which may result in the offender's

681
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:25,839
removal from the meeting. The speaker
shall not be interrupted except in a

682
01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:29,440
matter of urgency. We just ask anybody
if you'd like to speak, please come up

683
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:33,920
to the microphone. Either one here, just
so it's recorded and the people at home

684
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:38,080
cannot hear you if you don't speak into
the microphone.

685
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:42,600
So, if anybody'd like to speak, we're
open right now. Come on up.

686
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:52,480
» I live in Shenango Bridge and I am
blessed with having one of those

687
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:57,760
monstrosities within 20 paces of my
door.

688
01:09:55,440 --> 01:10:02,320
And I was thinking, should I be
compensated?

689
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,480
Should my neighbors
75 ft from my house be compensated

690
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:12,960
because it's so close? But I'm the lucky
one

691
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:19,600
and it's that close to my house and I
have no idea why I should be paying an

692
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:24,800
additional tax
for anything.

693
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:29,040
I've had that thing, the old one.
that bell used to go off at 1 in the

694
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:34,880
morning.
My wife used to go, "What if we'd have

695
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:38,960
to call an 800 number
and now we have this and now you're

696
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:42,800
asking for money?"
I don't think that's fair. And I think

697
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:48,480
the other people that are that close to
one of those things should also be

698
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:53,679
compensated. And if it meant no tax like
this, I think that would be a pretty

699
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:59,719
simple idea.
Anyways, that's what I got.

700
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:59,719
» Okay. Thank you.

701
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:06,239
We they don't have to give their name
and address unless they unless they have

702
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:10,239
a complaint about their edu. You can
give your name and address and we can

703
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:13,440
work with you to look at it. But if you
if you'd like to speak, go ahead.

704
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:18,199
» Evening. Uh would you be able to repeat
to me why we got the upgrade?

705
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:26,520
» I can't speak on that. Engineer or the
head of department of public works can

706
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,520
speak on it.

707
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:38,560
We are subject to the regulations under
the Susuana River Basin Commission. They

708
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:44,159
changed their uh phosphorus and nitrogen
criteria several years ago. So, we knew

709
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:48,719
uh we knew we would have to upgrade our
plant to those new criteria. It's part

710
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:52,080
of EPA mandates, river basin mandates.
The DEC administers some of that as

711
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:57,760
well. So, we're just working to comply
with those mandates. Uh we're a roughly

712
01:11:54,960 --> 01:12:01,920
an 850,000galon facility. Had to upgrade
to a little over 1 million. Uh we also

713
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:06,239
have two other plants, the Pen View
plant, Shango Heights plants. Those are

714
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:10,400
being decommissioned to help out cost of
eliminating operating costs at two other

715
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:13,600
facilities that are past their lives. Uh
we're bringing those flows to the

716
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:18,159
Northgate plants. We have just one
facility to maintain one permit with

717
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:24,560
with all those agencies and it will now
comply with those those new effluent

718
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:28,719
limits. Um, so it was uh I guess what we
usually say is it was an unfunded

719
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:32,320
mandate for the upgrades. Um,
>> the EPA, DEC, their federal agencies,

720
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,880
correct?
>> Correct.

721
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:38,800
» You mentioned that you received several
grants earlier. Did you get them from

722
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:42,719
federal government?
>> What was available is money through EFC

723
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:47,760
through the state?
>> Okay. Did your comprehensive plan noted

724
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:54,480
earlier federal government to alleviate
some of the strain on us? Uh federal

725
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:57,760
generally does not have that option,
>> but they mandate you to do it.

726
01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:00,800
» Correct.
>> So there's no relief from the federal

727
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:02,880
government. No one asked any questions.
They just

728
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,120
» relief's only been through the state
thus far.

729
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:15,480
» Okay. And perhaps you could give us a
breakdown what we're seeing on our tax

730
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,480
bill versus what we're getting.

731
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:21,520
» So So those are two
two totally separate things.

732
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,480
» That's correct.
>> What you're getting charged quarterly is

733
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:30,400
for the usage of the system and what
you're getting charged is the debt

734
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:37,800
assessment for the debt that we have to
pay. So if we owe next year $1,351,9680

735
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:45,760
that's principal and interest that is
divided up among all the edus that are

736
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:50,159
determined in the sewer district to come
out with the amount.

737
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:55,280
And that's and that's how the edu amount
is determined. So it's spread out.

738
01:13:52,800 --> 01:14:03,239
» Now suppose
300 people leave hypothetically speaking

739
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:03,239
bridgebody

740
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:10,400
go up.
>> Well, how you're talking houses get

741
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,600
destroyed, removed people leave because
they can't afford to live here.

742
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:18,000
» The house is still there. The house is
still has to pay that that property has

743
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:22,080
to pay that debt assessment.
or else it goes up tax

744
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:25,080
» and somebody has to pay that debt
assessment.

745
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:32,239
» So
>> an empty house is going to pay that.

746
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:35,920
» Okay, property taxes are always due. So
that'll be part of the property tax. So

747
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,960
regardless of whether you live there or
whether you're using the property, the

748
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:44,480
property owner, someone has to pay the
property tax or it goes to foreclosure.

749
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:48,400
That is you're you're exactly right. So,
if you're going to pay your property

750
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:52,080
tax, that'll be included. Your .edu will
be included in there. If you decide to

751
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:55,520
pay partial tax, I'm not sure the county
actually accepts partial, but not to get

752
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,960
into that discussion because there's a
lot of folks that want to speak here

753
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,080
tonight.
>> That's correct, sir. But, but people

754
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:02,719
that don't reside in houses don't pay
property tax.

755
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:05,920
» We're not going to get into Right.
Exactly. But the property owner will

756
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:10,480
» If they want to speak, I want people
have the opportunity to speak.

757
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:14,320
» Yeah.
>> Okay. And that's okay. But the property

758
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,800
owners, guys, the property owners are
going to pay the tax or they're going to

759
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,040
lose the property
>> regardless whether it's an edu or

760
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:22,159
whether
>> that cost is what I'm asking.

761
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:25,840
» Who who what
>> who recoups the cost from the lost

762
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:27,920
revenue from people that are leaving
their

763
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:31,600
» who don't pay the property tax. It'll go
to t it'll go to tax sale

764
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:34,800
» and then we'll we'll get something back
from a tax sale. The taxes will be

765
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:38,400
satisfied when the property is resold.
>> If it's resold,

766
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:43,600
» it'll probably we like our chances with
the property being resold. If it's not,

767
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:47,120
hypothetically, yes, it does get
reassessed. But

768
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:52,719
» one last question, is there any way that
we can perhaps look into

769
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:57,520
federal grants to assist us with this?
Have you gentlemen done this?

770
01:15:54,000 --> 01:16:02,480
» So, this started back in 2017. I wasn't
even

771
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:07,920
anywhere near this place. So, I I this
this was all decided a long time ago.

772
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:12,719
So, I I'm sorry about that. I have to
pay it, too. I I'm not happy about it,

773
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:17,280
but there's nothing that
>> the debt is due. It has to be paid.

774
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:23,000
» Last question.
By a show of hands, how many people are

775
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,000
res?

776
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,960
» Yeah, you have to.
>> Okay. And I apologize. I apologize for

777
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:33,800
being brash. I spoke to a gentleman that
was in the water department with

778
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:40,880
this about two months ago.
Well, an employee an employee that was

779
01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:43,360
out. Oh, yeah.
>> Yes. They they don't have to be

780
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,719
residents of the town.
>> That's irrelevant. I apologize for that.

781
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:50,640
But thank you.
>> Thank you.

782
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,840
» Board, can I clarify my federal grant
answer?

783
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,320
» Yes.
>> So, he'd like to clarify his federal

784
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:57,440
grant answer.
>> Just so everyone's aware on the on the

785
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:01,760
federal side, there are federal funds
available, but some are based on the

786
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:06,159
income level of the town and other
pieces. The funding that we were able to

787
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:10,800
pursue does have some federal
allocations behind it. EFC does get

788
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:14,000
federal allocations behind them. Also,
some of the grants are subsidized by the

789
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:20,000
federal government to keep the interest
rates lower. So, a max interest rate

790
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:24,239
level. You get a lower one that's
potentially has some federal allocation

791
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:27,440
behind it. So, our our engineering firm
that work for us on this also has

792
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:31,120
pursued the grants and it stays on top
of that grant pursuit for us. But for

793
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,400
clarification, Alex, for my own
clarification, when you say federal

794
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,800
allocation, that allocation was
delivered to the state and administered

795
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:43,920
by the state.
>> Correct. What what we is state

796
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:48,159
administered with federal dollars behind
some of it.

797
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:53,760
» Go ahead.
>> All right. So, we got two grants from

798
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,880
the state, correct?
>> That is correct. We got a

799
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,840
» All right.
There's no other ones that we can get

800
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:04,400
from the state.
>> This the grants would had been received

801
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:08,239
prior to the project.
>> Sorry.

802
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:10,239
» And with the federal what is our percent
>> with

803
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,679
» excuse me
>> we're paying an interest

804
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:16,159
rate
>> the interest rate with rate with the

805
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,960
bond.
>> Yeah.

806
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:22,760
» It it fluctuates. Uh this next year
we'll be paying 2.591%.

807
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:34,800
» Okay. Um, is it too late to apply or
lobby for federal assistance on that?

808
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:37,280
» I
I would I believe so, but I can't I'm

809
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,560
not going to answer.
>> I mean, you can always ask,

810
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:45,120
» right? It's just a question of whether
the federal government would find it in

811
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:49,040
their heart of hearts to throw money at
a democratic controlled state right now

812
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:53,199
for a project that has already been
built, already been financed, and it's

813
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:56,400
turning over to long-term financing, you
know, within a very short period of

814
01:18:55,040 --> 01:19:02,000
time.
>> So, when will this process start the um

815
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,800
upgrading?
>> It's it's it's almost done.

816
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,800
» Okay.
>> And and you and you were already charged

817
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:15,199
last year for the first part payment. So
in your taxes last year, you paid the

818
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:20,800
first payment. So this is this this we
have to do a public notice every year to

819
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:24,800
to to let you know the amount
>> that shows up under the

820
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:29,560
» one.
>> One at a time when you when you we can

821
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,840
» you're welcome.

822
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:41,360
Does that show up under the cons on your
tax

823
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:45,920
» under the sewer debt? Sewer bond
>> consolidates. So cons means consolidate.

824
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:49,440
So it's consolidated sewer debt
>> and that's different from the bonds.

825
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:52,719
» So the consolidated So the one that
showed up there's there was two on

826
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:56,239
there. The reason there was a debt on
there was because we are in short-term

827
01:19:54,560 --> 01:20:02,000
financing,
which means we have to only collect

828
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:05,840
money to pay interest on the money we
were using at the time. And then when it

829
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:10,400
gets transferred to a long-term bond,
then you have to pay the full amount,

830
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:16,000
principal and interest. So that will be
removed. The the the smaller one will be

831
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:20,960
removed off the tax bills this year. So
you won't have that one. And then and

832
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:26,719
then as far as the usage,
so that's a totally different increase.

833
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:29,760
» And is that correct?
>> So your usage when you get your

834
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:33,120
quarterly pay when you go to get your
quarterly billing payment that's totally

835
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:36,800
different than for what you're paying
here.

836
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:41,920
» So is this is this meeting have anything
to do with why is the why has the usage

837
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:46,080
gone up also?
>> That would be operating cost. That would

838
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:49,679
be Greg can speak. Greg is head of the
the water sewer department of public

839
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:55,440
works.
>> Electric costs go up, postage goes up,

840
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:59,719
chemical cost goes up, uh operation
cost, salary.

841
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:13,159
I shut that one off. Get rid of that
one.

842
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,640
» Give them the other one.

843
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:29,440
Sorry, sorry.
>> So that's okay. I So there is there's no

844
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:32,560
uh time frame. Does that go up over the
same amount over a certain time? You

845
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:39,440
know, like it's it went up and then it
went up quickly again. It was the same

846
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:45,280
for that's just because of the economy.
If if once we do our budgets and if what

847
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:49,679
we charge today doesn't cover the cost
for tomorrow, then we will have an

848
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:55,280
increase. But until we know what our
budgets are going to be for next year,

849
01:21:52,480 --> 01:22:03,239
we don't do an increase right now. We've
in we we've charged for the year's worth

850
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:03,239
of uh budgeting in your rates.

851
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:17,679
Hi. Sorry I I just missed the first 10
minutes of everything, but I want to let

852
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:24,400
you know I got a letter in the mail. I
just bought property up on Warner Road.

853
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:31,120
I have a well there. I'm going to when
my house gets built here within the

854
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:39,920
month, um I going to hook the line into
the septic. So therefore, I

855
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:45,199
I'm going to be paying this extra money.
When does this take effect?

856
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:48,159
» So,
you won't you won't be charged this year

857
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:52,239
until you
>> So, it's it's a what was said earlier,

858
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:57,199
right? The question would be is is she
on the sewer line or not?

859
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:59,920
» N. Yeah, but I will be once my house
>> Well, it's not a question of whether

860
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:03,280
your house is actually connected to the
sewer or your property is connected to

861
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:07,600
the sewer. just whether the sewer goes
by your property. And so, because there

862
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:11,120
are there are properties in the town who
chose not to connect to the sewer for

863
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:14,400
whatever reason or chose not to connect
to the water system for whatever reason.

864
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:17,920
Maybe they just got their septic
installed and didn't want to connect.

865
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:20,880
» So, but you I guess it's a good
question. If you would give us your name

866
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:25,760
and address, we can look it up and
confirm that you are actually on the

867
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:29,199
line because if you're on the line, then
you should be getting charged the .edu.

868
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:34,000
But if for some reason, people aren't
perfect. If for some reason your

869
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:38,239
property got included in this district's
benefit assessment and it shouldn't have

870
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:40,480
been, then we want to be aware of that
to take it off.

871
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:47,520
» Okay.
>> What's your name and address?

872
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:51,159
» It It's Deborah D E B O R H Lynch at 13
Warner Street.

873
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:57,080
L Y N C H.

874
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,960
» Okay, they can look that up. Yep.
>> Okay,

875
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:11,639
» we're gonna let other people speak while
they're looking that up for you. Okay,

876
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,639
you're welcome.

877
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:20,960
» My name is Lyn Lucker. I live at 16
Brook A. I just wanted to go back to the

878
01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:26,239
math a minute because I'm kind of not
understanding. I think I might have just

879
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:31,840
heard number one. I I mean I have my tax
bill right here. So I've got the sewer

880
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:36,880
debt and the sewer bond. The sewer debt
is I think what you meant by the smaller

881
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:41,840
one and that's the one that is going to
not appear on my 2027 bill. Yes. Is that

882
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:48,159
correct?
>> Okay.

883
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:53,600
» So this year the I have 32384. I think
it was the highest I looked at them all

884
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:59,120
in tax net lookup or whatever it was.
Um, and I understand that's the bond. So

885
01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:05,679
that's 30 years. I don't understand this
new one. I I got to say I the questions

886
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:09,840
that were raised by in my mind with this
letter

887
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:14,159
and I say this respectfully. I don't
know who wrote it, but I don't think it

888
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:19,840
was composed very
well from your standpoint. It didn't

889
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:25,440
explain a lot and it probably caused a
lot of angst that didn't need to be

890
01:25:22,639 --> 01:25:35,199
there. And one thing I still don't
understand is is the new .edu charge a

891
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:42,000
one-time charge on the 2027 tax or is it
30 years again?

892
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:47,440
» So, so the charge from 2026 is going to
be replaced with the charge for 2027.

893
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:51,199
So, it's you're only going to get one,
but it's going to happen each year for

894
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:56,480
30 years. And the exact amount is going
to change actually every single year

895
01:25:53,280 --> 01:26:00,320
because the debt payments are not level.
They go up and down a little bit every

896
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:06,560
year. So, like last year, the total
amount collected was like 1.1 million.

897
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:12,080
This in 2027, it's 1.3 million. So, we
the edu value is going up slightly.

898
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:18,400
» Okay. So that is very key to me and I I
hope if anybody else picks it up because

899
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:20,880
that means instead of me having 323
plus 264

900
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:26,239
» Oh no.
>> which made my head explode and I

901
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:30,800
understand 33 is going away and being
replaced by 264.

902
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:32,719
» Well, it's 264 and ED. It's a 264 and
edu,

903
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:36,719
» right?
>> So you need to know how many are your

904
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:41,280
property.
>> Okay. per and it does say per

905
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:43,360
» per edu and you should have the number
>> will be a little higher because I'm a

906
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:46,080
one one
>> and that's why you were three something

907
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:51,600
last year
>> so this year you'll be that 264

908
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:55,520
» so let me just make sure you answered my
questions I think you did

909
01:26:53,360 --> 01:27:02,000
» and and edus can change the amount of
edus that that divide into the payment

910
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:05,320
that we have to make also fluctuates
>> the edu

911
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:15,760
4,000 whatever we get can change which
can also change that amount per EDU.

912
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:21,520
» I understand that. Okay.
>> Okay. So, I just feel like I have to

913
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:30,960
throw out there that the change in my
taxes from 25 to 26 was 40% of the for

914
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:37,199
the town. That's a big jump. And if I
did my math right,

915
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:40,719
my if with this new Well, of course, now
I didn't know mine might go down a

916
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:45,520
little bit. I don't know how that
quarter I'd have to do more math real

917
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:50,560
quick, but I'm potentially looking at my
taxes doubling in two years. So, oh, the

918
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:56,159
other question I had about this whole
thing is you said this project is almost

919
01:27:54,000 --> 01:28:00,400
done.
Right at the end of Quinn Estates, there

920
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:05,040
used to be what I believe was a sewage
treatment plant, right? And it's gone.

921
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:12,000
They took it down, which I love. It's
much nicer looking there. Is that part

922
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:16,000
of this project, the removal of that?
>> Yes.

923
01:28:12,719 --> 01:28:23,120
» Okay. Is there any other big project
like this looming on the horizon that we

924
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:25,760
should be prepared for?
>> That that is a very fair question. Very

925
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:30,159
fair.
>> Very absolutely fair. There is a water

926
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:35,280
upgrade
for contaminants in the water system

927
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:37,679
that is being researched now being
engineered and looked at by the town

928
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:42,320
board. Now
>> that would hit our

929
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:46,320
» This is all public knowledge. So I would
advise everybody to stay very informed

930
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:49,679
with the town and come to come to
meetings. This new thing that we're

931
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,800
putting out there, text my gov.
>> If we have public hearings, it'll be

932
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:55,440
shot out on there. You'll get it to your
phone. you'll know what the public

933
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:59,679
hearing is.
>> Might be the first one

934
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:04,800
» other than employees. All right.
>> No, and that's the reason why we're

935
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:10,800
doing this is is but the the water thing
is is in engineering studies right now.

936
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:13,760
It's not has not been approved to do to
go forward. So,

937
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:17,400
» thank you.
>> Okay. You're welcome.

938
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:27,440
» So, good evening. My name is Adam. Um, I
live in the Frederick Road, uh, Kings

939
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:33,600
Row, South Frederick Road, uh, area. And
I guess first and foremost, um, I I we

940
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:37,760
all know that we, you know, we have to
help fund these, you know, as as

941
01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:43,679
homeowners. I've lived in the town of
Sheno since 2007.

942
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:47,760
Um, so I I chose the town of Sheno for a
reason. Um

943
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:51,679
there's a lot of other places I could
have chose, but I chose here and I' I've

944
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:57,600
lived here and I've remained here for a
reason. I think one concern um that I

945
01:29:54,400 --> 01:30:02,800
have is again, we all like to flush our
toilets. We know we have to to help fund

946
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:06,480
the ability to flush our toilets and
have it be safe. We all like clean

947
01:30:04,639 --> 01:30:11,199
water. We know we're going to have to
help with the with the water um issue.

948
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:15,920
My concern is over the last couple of
years um I've noticed a steady decline

949
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:22,880
Uh we've been through two or three town
supervisors in the last year. Um I we

950
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:28,239
have drainage issues on my street um
that haven't been addressed. We you know

951
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:33,679
my street was one of the only streets uh
in the entire neighborhood that wasn't

952
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:38,320
repaved this last year. Um so I guess
I'm just trying to find out you know if

953
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:43,120
I I don't have a problem funding things.
I don't have a problem with a little bit

954
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:47,040
extra tax as long as I'm seeing the
benefits and I'm seeing the, you know,

955
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:52,000
we're reaping the benefits as homeowners
and as, you know, we're raising our

956
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:56,800
families here. Um, but when I see my
street overlooked for certain projects

957
01:30:54,400 --> 01:31:01,679
or when I see, you know, this last year
we had a water emergency and I spent

958
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:05,600
over $100 in bottled water. Um, several
hundred dollar actually in bottled

959
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:11,840
water. I have a family of six. um first
time that I know that we've had a water

960
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:15,760
emergency. Um so I guess my my mine is
more of a statement more than a question

961
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:19,520
which is just I'm concerned as a
homeowner that have been here almost 20

962
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:25,760
years and I'm starting to see a trickle
of a decline um of the of the services

963
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:31,440
here. Um and so we're being asked to pay
more money for less service that I'm

964
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:36,320
seeing. Um there are very good qualities
of the town. I'm not I'm not certainly

965
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:41,120
not here to dog the town. I still um
enjoy living here. There are a lot of um

966
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:45,840
you know, beautiful parks. There are,
you know, nice services the town. I like

967
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:49,120
the town cleanup days. I love that. But
those are some of the things that I

968
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:55,679
think the town can continue to do and
maybe improve upon to make it friendly

969
01:31:52,159 --> 01:32:00,000
to uh raise your family and to continue
owning a home here and to not have as

970
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:03,760
much heartburn when we're asked to pay a
little bit more for service. So that's

971
01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:07,000
my comment.
>> Thank you.

972
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:25,679
» I just have a quick question.
Um,

973
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:31,199
going back to the the the edus and all
that stuff, there's like five trailer

974
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:36,480
parks in this town. How do you figure
what they pay?

975
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:40,239
» They're not all on
>> They're not all on sewer,

976
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:42,639
» but if they are I mean some of them must
be.

977
01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:44,719
» It would be it would be one edu per
mobile.

978
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:48,800
» I I believe it's in the code.
>> Yeah.

979
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:52,920
» Okay. So So it is a per person even
>> per dwelling unit.

980
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,920
» Okay.

981
01:32:53,440 --> 01:33:01,280
» Yeah, absolutely. That's Yeah, that's
>> Well, then come up and speak.

982
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:11,199
Castle Creek Road, but I also run the
Castle Creek mobile home park. Uh, does

983
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:15,920
anyone here live in a mobile home? No.
Mobile home. So, I'm going to correct

984
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:21,920
you on EDU. You mentioned EDUs nothing
to do with usage. Unfortunately, you're

985
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:26,000
wrong because an EDU
dwelling unit is a standard measure used

986
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:29,600
by utility companies to calculate water
or sewer use based on a single family

987
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:34,000
home.
So which makes sense. I mean I got this

988
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:40,000
education 10 years ago in the town of
Irwin. I ran a park there and they

989
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:45,920
brought in city water and sewer to the
park. And we sat down first they

990
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:51,199
notified me and said the average single
family home does 300 gallons of water.

991
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:56,880
Mobile homes use less. And we showed
them the meter bills. 90 gallons per

992
01:33:54,239 --> 01:34:03,520
home. These are mobile homes. Most of
them are two bedroom one.

993
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:08,159
They don't have outside
complaints outside homes don't come with

994
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:16,960
we don't allow people to brush their
cars. Uh it's totally different use

995
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:20,320
single family home. So your question
over

996
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:25,840
because
believe me I know it's going water sewer

997
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:29,880
Greg knows I'm the kind of guy I'm under
three mobile homes every day

998
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:34,760
because mobile homes water

999
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:46,760
the plastic lines
but

1000
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:46,760
tell you

1001
01:34:52,480 --> 01:35:03,080
and I'm in the trench.
So you know I'm up here because

1002
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:14,199
home stats meter everything
that's too

1003
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:27,600
but when I meter 60 homes I had to buy
my meters all my own

1004
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:32,760
small
All the lines in the streets, all the

1005
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:32,760
streets in there

1006
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:42,360
just like everyone else in the room has
one connection in the street. So that's

1007
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,360
why I'm here

1008
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,880
20 compar

1009
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:09,360
wasn't one for one more

1010
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:14,600
Oh, you're fine.
>> You're fine.

1011
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,760
» Thank you.

1012
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:32,320
» Great. Um, I was in here for years about
the road frontage requirements in the

1013
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:36,480
town of Schnangle. It's very hard to
build a house in the town of Schnagle

1014
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:41,679
with 310 ft requirement for road
frontage. It took my dad and I probably

1015
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:48,320
four years almost coming into this
meetings and zoning boards trying to get

1016
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:53,360
uh because we have no road frontage, gas
stations 100 ft. We want to lower this

1017
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:58,320
to get more people in the town of Schne
right now. There there's plenty of land

1018
01:36:55,600 --> 01:37:01,760
to be building houses in here, but it's
not easy because of our road front

1019
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:05,679
requirements.
Address those immediately. I just wanted

1020
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:11,199
to get this on the minutes because I've
been in here on the minutes since 2021

1021
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:15,360
preaching this. So, you want more people
in the town. Make it easier for me to

1022
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:21,440
come into the town. I brought it up to
you a lot, Jean, in here. A lot. So,

1023
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:27,199
that's my two cents. Get more people in
the town, this will go down.

1024
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:30,440
It's a good slope, too.
>> Thank you.

1025
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:50,239
» Hi, my name is Dale Ball. I live on
Cherry Lane. Uh, got a couple questions.

1026
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:54,159
Can the can the can the charge increase
for any reason other than interest rate

1027
01:37:52,880 --> 01:38:02,960
change?
>> It can increase for the .edu amount.

1028
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:09,600
If the .edu amount goes down, then that
debt has to be spread out over less

1029
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:14,400
EDUs. So the your amount could your
amount could go up.

1030
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:18,880
» So So as as an example, let's let's say
there's a commercial building

1031
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:25,360
um which they're they receive edus in
part based on their water consumption.

1032
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:28,880
Um and if it burns down and it's
demolished and it becomes a vacant lot.

1033
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:33,920
Let's say one of the car washes which
are receiving the highest edus in the

1034
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:39,040
town at over like a 100 edus. Let's say
one of those burns down and now it's a

1035
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:44,080
vacant lot. That'll get one edu. So the
99 edus are poof gone, right? which

1036
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:47,520
means the value that those people were
paying is going to be spread around

1037
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:51,679
everyone else in the town and that is a
way in which the value or the cost of

1038
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:56,000
the edu will go up.
>> So my my number of edus I have two

1039
01:38:54,880 --> 01:39:01,920
parcels.
>> I have the one my house sits on and I

1040
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:06,880
have a completely unbuildable sideyard
being charged for. So on the top my

1041
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:12,960
letter it says one and one the two
levels. So the number doesn't change.

1042
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:16,000
It's just the cost per ED per the
multiplier

1043
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:19,360
» in your case. So, and this is what the
assessor has been advising people

1044
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:23,760
because for some reason there's a lot of
lots in the in the town where people own

1045
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:28,639
a a small property immediately adjacent
to them. Combine your lots because then

1046
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:31,600
it'll be one parcel and it'll receive
one .edu.

1047
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:37,040
» Yeah, that's my that's my next question.
U is that something I do with you guys

1048
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:40,560
» through the assessor's office?
>> Who who hears from the assessor's

1049
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:45,520
office?
That's a legal,

1050
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:50,000
» right?
>> Yes.

1051
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:53,679
» So, if I combine the two lots into one
lot,

1052
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:58,480
» that eliminates one of the builds.
>> Yeah. And Alex, Alex had a good point.

1053
01:39:56,239 --> 01:40:02,800
It'll end up being one point probably
1.25 because part of this is based on

1054
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:06,800
your amount of road frontage. It's a
complicated formula, you know,

1055
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:10,320
unfortunately, but it caps out for
>> that. That's why I said go to the

1056
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:15,119
assessor's office because she could
explain it to you.

1057
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:18,639
» Okay. She she explained to you what what
your front edi

1058
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:21,199
what it would what what how it would
change your assessment.

1059
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:29,000
» So, just out of curiosity, I'm not
trying to be difficult, but if it is if

1060
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:29,000
it's only frontage,

1061
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:35,440
well, that makes no sense at all because
one house and you have a th00and foot of

1062
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:40,080
frontage
your utilization is exactly the same as

1063
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:44,880
if I have 300 foot of frontage in one
house. So what does the frontage have to

1064
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:48,000
do with the cost other than the the
amount of pipe

1065
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:52,400
» when they buy the house?
>> The the the theory

1066
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:56,239
or the the reasoning behind that is
because a person with in your example a

1067
01:40:54,480 --> 01:41:01,040
thousand feet of frontage has more
potentially buildable lots than a person

1068
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:05,520
who has only 80 feet of frontage which
is you know the the one that'll just get

1069
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:11,600
you the one. So I I've got another
client who actually their code does

1070
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:15,280
specifically say it it you know in your
example of like let's say it's a

1071
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:19,600
thousand foot of road frontage they
actually do divide it up and charge

1072
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:25,800
based on the actual buildable lots in
Sheneno they cap it for residential

1073
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:25,800
properties at 1.25

1074
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:32,400
deal. So whether your your property
would be 200 feet or a thousand feet

1075
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:37,440
it's still going to be 1.25 25 because
you're you're over the 80t and there's a

1076
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:43,760
formula that if it was like 83 feet it
would be less but it caps out for

1077
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:49,679
residential dwellings at 1.25.
So when you combine yours today in this

1078
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:53,199
particular case, you'll reduce your .edu
by 75 your total because right now

1079
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:58,639
you're being charged two.
>> And I'm just where do I find I mean I'm

1080
01:41:56,239 --> 01:42:04,159
sure it's a booklet this thick
>> and I deal with school districts so I'm

1081
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:08,239
used to stupid stuff but
sorry it's the truth.

1082
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:13,440
» I think we just caught astray.
>> Is is

1083
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:17,280
I didn't get to you. So, is there some
place I can go and look at the math?

1084
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:21,040
Because I'm just weird that way.
>> Look at the map for the map.

1085
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:24,480
» The assessment map or the or
>> He wants to see the map.

1086
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:26,080
» Oh, the ma. The math. I thought you said
math. I'm sorry.

1087
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:32,560
» Yeah.
>> So,

1088
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:34,000
» yeah. So, it's town code section 56-5K.
>> Okay.

1089
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:41,440
» Provides the formula,
>> right? And then Greg's office, it did

1090
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:45,360
the linear frontage calculations for
every parcel.

1091
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:49,760
And you know, again, people aren't going
to be perfect. So they're if somebody's

1092
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:53,840
like, you I'm actually one foot less.
That's something that the town board

1093
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:57,119
should know and we can send Greg out and
have him roll it or something to confirm

1094
01:42:55,760 --> 01:43:01,360
that the frontage calculation.
>> So it's as simple as just plugging my

1095
01:42:58,719 --> 01:43:06,159
frontage into this formula and outfits
the Okay. All right. I can I can figure

1096
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:11,440
that out. Um
Oh, I got that one. Um you mentioned a

1097
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:15,840
water project which made my ears perk
up. Um do you have an estimate currently

1098
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:22,800
on
because we I we got that that that

1099
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:28,159
letter very unclear letter um about
potential possibly lead but no one would

1100
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:31,600
tell us where. I couldn't figure out
whether my house had lead

1101
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:34,960
» and that's a separate that's a separate
thing on sampling that Greg can explain

1102
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:38,560
on that.
>> But what I'm curious about is do we have

1103
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:41,440
a potential estimate on what this water
project's going to cost?

1104
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:45,280
» There are estimates out there. They keep
being adjusted based on the scope of

1105
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:49,360
work. So we don't have anything firm
yet, but as it comes in, we'll discuss

1106
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:53,360
it. But nothing's been approved.
Engineering is strictly looking at the

1107
01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:57,639
scope and what's available a in grants
and the cost.

1108
01:43:54,639 --> 01:43:57,639
» Okay.

1109
01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:05,320
Think you got them all.
>> Thank you.

1110
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:15,520
» Anyone else? Oh, yeah.
>> There are copies of the formulas that we

1111
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:21,360
do use over there where the other the
agendas are. It looks like this and it

1112
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:24,719
explains how I calculate it's now there.
Well, there's 20 and if anybody wants

1113
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:32,840
one, we can make a copy.
But uh this is how we calculated the

1114
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:32,840
edus by what the town code reads today.

1115
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:43,080
» Yep. Yep. Absolutely. It's it's on our
website if you go to the code the town

1116
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:43,080
code in the ordinance department.

1117
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:49,159
» Go ahead sir. Robert Citri 25 Bishop
Road

1118
01:44:50,480 --> 01:45:02,400
and in this community for over 45 years
>> and how long ago anybody else been

1119
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,199
» 63.
>> What's the question?

1120
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:10,080
» So you must have grew up here.
>> I've been 54 years here. I could add

1121
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:13,080
more years to that. I could add another
20.

1122
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:24,440
Uh, I'm just show my ignorance here.
What is an .edu and how does that affect

1123
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:24,440
our bill?

1124
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:35,119
» So, an EDU is an acronym. It stands for
equivalent dwelling unit.

1125
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:40,080
» Uh, I'm sorry, I'm using the microphone.
I'm not if you want to come closer. I

1126
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:46,719
because I I'm using the mic. maybe get
closer to a speaker to your right

1127
01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:52,080
to your right.
So an EDU is an acronym. It stands for

1128
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:57,440
equivalent dwelling unit. It is a means
of assigning in this case sewer debt

1129
01:45:55,119 --> 01:46:04,080
aortionment to all of the benefited
parcels within the town sewer district.

1130
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:08,960
Um and it's meant to assess the benefit
of the sewer system as it was explained

1131
01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:14,159
by Mr. Simonus earlier this evening.
It's not based on usage. Everybody who

1132
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:20,639
fronts on the sewer line should be
paying into the edus. Um and when it

1133
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:26,159
comes to dwelling units, it literally
means that. So a single family is

1134
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:34,239
charged one, a two family's charged two,
a 69 unit mobile home park is charged

1135
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:40,000
69. And then commercial properties which
obviously don't have dwellings in them,

1136
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:44,960
there's a formula to assign them edus as
well. It's all meant to, as Kevin

1137
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:50,239
explained earlier, look at the amount of
debt that has to be paid, add up all the

1138
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:55,639
edus, divide it in, there's your number
per edu, and then add it to the tax

1139
01:46:52,639 --> 01:46:55,639
bill.

1140
01:47:02,719 --> 01:47:15,840
Many haven't been in here for in this
town for very long time. When uh they

1141
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:24,560
built the sewage treatment plant,
which this all has come down to,

1142
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:31,840
it was woefully under undersized.
And

1143
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:31,840
so now now we're having to pay for it.

1144
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:41,480
One of the letters that I got
is a vacant lot.

1145
01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:48,199
There's no sewage. There's no water.

1146
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:56,760
Matter of fact, for my own property,
the town of Snagel will not give me

1147
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,760
water.

1148
01:47:58,639 --> 01:48:05,600
That was
Mr. Walls,

1149
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:09,639
Jerry Kelly
made sure that that happened.

1150
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:22,440
Shame that something happened way back
then.

1151
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:35,520
And because the town has a
essentially hasn't grown at all

1152
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:40,239
over all those years. It's the same
businesses

1153
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:48,080
up and down. You know, the same ones are
flushing the toilet.

1154
01:48:43,119 --> 01:48:54,440
There's no there's been essentially
no new construction

1155
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:54,440
in our area.

1156
01:48:55,679 --> 01:49:05,199
So that system built back in the 70s
should be good enough

1157
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:12,360
for everybody. But we know it wasn't
because it was never designed never

1158
01:49:08,639 --> 01:49:12,360
designed to be

1159
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:21,159
a workable system for what was existing
even at that time.

1160
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:31,800
So
I guess the only question I got is I got

1161
01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:31,800
that vacant lot,

1162
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:38,360
no sewer, never received a bill.

1163
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:51,840
What's my obligation? So the the town
code spells out that there will be one

1164
01:49:48,239 --> 01:49:56,960
edu assessed for a vacant lot if it is
within the sewer district. So that that

1165
01:49:54,400 --> 01:50:01,840
is why you're receiving one edu for that
vacant lot. As mentioned earlier, if

1166
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:06,000
your vacant lot is next to your home
occupied lot or another lot, the

1167
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:10,719
recommendation is combine those two so
that you have one lot. But if it's a

1168
01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:14,480
standalone vacant lot in the town and
it's within the district and it fronts

1169
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:19,000
on a sewer line, then you will receive
according to the town code an .edu.

1170
01:50:31,199 --> 01:50:33,199
All

1171
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:46,040
right. Thank you.

1172
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:59,440
» We go go back a ways. You're talking
about the edus and you said something

1173
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:03,360
about the 1990s.
That's when

1174
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:08,719
the measurements were established or
whatever. Is that statewide?

1175
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:14,400
» This was every every municipality comes
up with their own formula as to how they

1176
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:18,320
choose to assess equivalent dwelling
units when they utilize a system like

1177
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:23,040
this for the repayment of debt. I
mentioned earlier I've got another town

1178
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:27,199
client that uses a very similar formula
except they look at the total acreage of

1179
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:32,800
a parcel and say how many buildable lots
and they charge you per buildable lot

1180
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:37,360
just limited and a cap on road frontage.
I I literally was in a conversation

1181
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:42,000
because one guy is getting eight units
even though he's got one house on it

1182
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:44,880
because he owns enough property that if
it was divided up it could fit eight

1183
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:47,599
buildable lots.
>> So who actually came up with it? who

1184
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:52,239
actually came up with
>> the law was adopted in 1993. So it was

1185
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:54,320
the town board in 1993 that
>> Wow.

1186
01:51:52,639 --> 01:51:59,760
» established this formula.
>> So talking to to Greg um was talking

1187
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:04,480
about the car wash down in Front Street
that's going to pay me bucks.

1188
01:52:02,639 --> 01:52:07,840
So what's to say they don't go out of
business because they can't afford it?

1189
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:10,880
And what's to say that other business
down in Front Street don't go out of

1190
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:17,440
business and we start looking really bad
because they can't afford whatever they

1191
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:23,040
can't I you guys can change that thing
in the 1990s, right?

1192
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:26,560
That's what you do.
>> We could, but the dollar amount is still

1193
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:31,360
the same. We could charge the trailer
parks more. We could charge businesses

1194
01:52:28,719 --> 01:52:36,320
more. Um, at the time when this was
assessed, it it it was a fair way to do

1195
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:39,040
this. If that's a discussion going
forward,

1196
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:43,440
» this board could certainly take it up.
But the dollar amount that we owe as a

1197
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:45,920
community doesn't change. So just
because someone else is going to get a

1198
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:49,440
break, somebody else is going to pick
that up.

1199
01:52:46,639 --> 01:52:53,520
» You compare I'm wondering back then in
the 1990s if when they were coming up

1200
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:58,960
with the way to do this, they were
comparing it to other municipalities in

1201
01:52:55,679 --> 01:53:02,320
the state to see how they do it.
>> And it could it could have been I'm sure

1202
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:05,840
there was some
>> I can't speak to that.

1203
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:08,880
» You know, I wasn't here.
>> Now you got All I'm saying is I'm sure

1204
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:13,040
there was information information that
was put together because the discussion

1205
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:16,719
was probably pretty in-depth on how
fairly to do this. Right.

1206
01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:21,520
» Right. Even when I look at it now, all
right. In some cases, it does seem to me

1207
01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:23,920
personally a little unfair, but in other
cases,

1208
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:26,239
» I think some folks are getting a break.
>> Right. How else do you do it?

1209
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,480
» Right. So, how else would you do it?
>> Right. Exactly.

1210
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:32,800
» You know, to to try to be as even-handed
as possible, car washes pay the most.

1211
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:37,280
And you're right. If a car washer
leaves, we still owe that money to the

1212
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:41,040
bond. and it's got to get redistributed.
>> Well,

1213
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:44,800
bring something else into this. Yeah,
we've been to a few of the meetings. We

1214
01:53:42,639 --> 01:53:48,639
were talking to the project management
company out of Rochester

1215
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:51,599
that we're trying to work with and we're
trying to get the survey and all this

1216
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:56,480
stuff.
You just added all this money to

1217
01:53:53,840 --> 01:54:02,560
everybody's tax debt and yet you want to
try and get people to come in here and

1218
01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:04,639
it's almost like a catch 22. I don't see
it working

1219
01:54:03,119 --> 01:54:09,520
» and and it kind of is. And just to
clarify too that whether it's highway or

1220
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:15,840
department of public works, there are
individual budgets there where we only

1221
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:19,119
have one source to get the funding. So
what we've tried to do as a board and

1222
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:23,520
even previous boards,
>> if you really identified through your

1223
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:29,199
tax bill, you'll notice that the town
tax the town tax is very low and it

1224
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:35,119
hasn't moved since I've been on the
board. Not one penny. So although it's

1225
01:54:32,159 --> 01:54:39,760
not a great consolation, it's something
because anything that we can do where we

1226
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:43,840
have general fund monies, the gentleman
mentioned earlier about the parks, done

1227
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:47,679
a lot of upgrades to the parks, trying
to pave that, change playgrounds and

1228
01:54:45,599 --> 01:54:52,960
stuff for the kids. That is a completely
different bucket and I wish personally

1229
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:58,239
we could take some of that bucket and
offset these edus. I'm paying them too

1230
01:54:56,639 --> 01:55:00,400
and they're and they're dramatic. I
don't disagree.

1231
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:03,679
» I don't know how you guys do it. I've
looked at your budget. It's just uh

1232
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:07,520
huge.
>> Right. So, and like I said, every

1233
01:55:05,599 --> 01:55:11,199
individual if you if you look at the
budget, there are certain aspects of it.

1234
01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:15,679
We can't like take money from the
general fund to offset Department of

1235
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:20,320
Public Works or offset highway has to
come from those specific places. And

1236
01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:24,320
unfortunately, all of us in the sewer
district

1237
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:27,280
» are going to be burdened with this debt.
>> I'm just worried about the future

1238
01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:31,040
because if you're talking water, I am
too. Is that going to add, you know,

1239
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:33,360
more to the tax burden again?
>> Potentially.

1240
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:37,679
» And we're paying a project management
company that hasn't done a thing that

1241
01:55:35,679 --> 01:55:39,679
nothing.
>> The which I'm not sure which project

1242
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:44,000
manage the
>> project management company that they

1243
01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:46,400
hired for the out of
>> Oh, Kers. Yeah. It's a It's a That's a

1244
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:48,639
completely different
>> It's a different thing.

1245
01:55:47,199 --> 01:55:51,199
» It's a different It's a completely
different thing, right?

1246
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:54,880
» That's a completely different thing.
>> It is. It is, but it's still our debt.

1247
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:58,639
It's It's our debt.
>> That is not

1248
01:55:56,159 --> 01:56:02,480
» No. No, no, no. I know that. But I'm
saying if it raises our taxes because we

1249
01:56:01,599 --> 01:56:05,280
hired this company.
>> It doesn't. It does not.

1250
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:09,760
» See, I asked that question at the last
meeting and nobody ever got.

1251
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:15,000
» We're a little unorthodox here. It's
supposed to be a public hearing, not a

1252
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:15,000
question answer. But I understand.

1253
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:30,719
» I just got a a question. Uh if you have
a commercial

1254
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:39,599
And there's a corner lock
and there's no sewer line on one corner.

1255
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:43,480
You get charged just for the frontage
that has a sewer line.

1256
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:52,159
Commercial or residential. If you if you
are a corner lot, a you're charged on

1257
01:56:49,599 --> 01:56:57,440
the shortest frontage. So if one's 100
and one's 80, you get charged on the 80.

1258
01:56:54,639 --> 01:57:02,719
Um, if the sewer line only runs on the
one, you should only get charged for

1259
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:06,480
that uh frontage. So, if your right side
of your house doesn't have frontage and

1260
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:11,119
it's longer than the frontage that you
have sewer on, you'll still get charged

1261
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:14,679
that shorter of the two frontages.
>> Okay. Uh,

1262
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:24,280
we own the property on
141 Road and

1263
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:37,679
We put the sewer line in there with an
agreement with the town back in 98

1264
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:47,480
and agreement said they would be charged
4.66 66 units EDUs

1265
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:47,480
and the letter we got says 6.11

1266
01:57:50,239 --> 01:58:00,719
and also for putting the the
sewer line in

1267
01:57:56,159 --> 01:58:06,440
letter from David from Mr. Wall
attorney

1268
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:06,440
said uh

1269
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:23,320
The unit charge shall be 20% of the
total unit charge of all other users

1270
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:23,320
within the sewer district number two.

1271
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:32,639
» So I reviewed your letter and the
agreement that you sent. So um and the

1272
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:36,719
correspondence for Mr. Walls. The
agreement that you sent was unsigned. I

1273
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:40,800
looked back at the meeting minutes and
resolutions from 1998. I don't see that

1274
01:58:39,119 --> 01:58:45,760
the town board ever approved an
agreement with you. And so if you have a

1275
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:50,639
signed copy of that agreement, please
send it to us. Or if you know when

1276
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:54,159
exactly the town board took action to
approve it, but otherwise there doesn't

1277
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:58,159
appear to be a record of the town
actually approving an agreement with you

1278
01:58:55,920 --> 01:59:02,920
on that. There was correspondence, but I
don't see an approval by the town board

1279
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,920
on that.

1280
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:19,119
the the town board appears to have never
authorized that.

1281
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:25,520
So the the fact that you were charged
the 4.66 appears to have been incorrect

1282
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:28,560
when it was the prior debt service.
Again, if you have a signed copy of that

1283
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:32,480
agreement because what you sent was
unsigned,

1284
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:37,119
you know, please send it and we can look
in the town clerk's records, you know,

1285
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:42,280
more. But I I just didn't see anything
in the town board actions from 1998.

1286
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:56,400
» I I understand that, sir, but I just
don't see where the town board actually

1287
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:56,400
authorized what you're talking about.

1288
01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:07,400
If you can provide us with any other
information that you have, we could

1289
02:00:03,679 --> 02:00:07,400
still look into it.

1290
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:13,639
» I understand.

1291
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:18,280
Okay.

1292
02:00:24,719 --> 02:00:30,800
My name is Katie Edwards, Ten Heights
Court. Um, I'd like to understand really

1293
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:34,480
where the origination for these the
pollution requirements came from. Um, I

1294
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:37,920
mean, I understand we want to have
cleaner water going to our rivers. Uh,

1295
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:43,199
but who is more responsible? Who gave us
the more restrictive requirements for

1296
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:48,639
the EPA or is the DEEC?
>> The DEC essentially goes with the EPA

1297
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:51,679
guidelines. So, they it's just a trickle
down. So, it wasn't above and beyond

1298
02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:55,679
what the EPA recommended.
>> No. No.

1299
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:59,599
» Uh, my second question is, you know, a
lot of us would need would get more

1300
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:03,679
energy efficiency out of our houses by
putting better insulation on, improving

1301
02:01:01,119 --> 02:01:07,040
our windows. Um, but, you know, I'm not
going to go sign a contract to do that

1302
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:09,599
unless I have the funds to pay for it.
I'm not going to send a bill to all my

1303
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:14,480
neighbors and say, "Well, hey guys, why
don't you pay for it?" Um, so I'd like

1304
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:19,040
to see that same sort of financial
responsibility in this sort of

1305
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:21,679
circumstance. Um, I guess my my
suggestion would be is that well, if

1306
02:01:20,159 --> 02:01:26,960
we're going to increase this, we ought
to pay this roughly $300 a year, which

1307
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:30,880
is going to work out to be $8,000 at
current rates for most people, $10,000

1308
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:36,239
because we have a little bit of extra
frontage apparently. Can we all agree to

1309
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:41,679
not raise the taxes for that amount and
just sideline this money for for just

1310
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:45,000
this and, you know, put it hold back on
our tax raises?

1311
02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:58,320
So, as as Mr. Simonus noted earlier, the
the town general taxes, the town the

1312
02:01:54,719 --> 02:02:03,440
town collects less than $200,000 in town
taxes. The highway tax is higher.

1313
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:10,400
There's also a fire protection tax.
Those are different things than the town

1314
02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:16,080
general tax. Um there there can be no
way that the town board could possibly

1315
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:21,199
commit to not raising those taxes
because those monies can only go to pay

1316
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:26,800
those things. The sewer has to come out
of the benefited parcels. So like we

1317
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:33,679
can't divert money from the other places
to this. And Jay mentioned earlier, the

1318
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:38,560
town board does tries very hard and has
not since Jay's been on the board raised

1319
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:44,080
the town general tax.
And I mean, it's just a like

1320
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:48,960
this board also cannot bind future
boards. So in three, four, five years,

1321
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:53,920
10 years when this sewer debt is still
being paid, none of these guys might

1322
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:58,400
even be here. and it'll be a completely
different group of people up here who

1323
02:02:56,000 --> 02:03:03,599
will have to determine at that time how
to fund town expenses and continue to

1324
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:08,159
pay this particular debt going forward
still. So it's I mean what you've asked

1325
02:03:05,679 --> 02:03:11,760
I think is a really difficult thing that
the town just can't commit to.

1326
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:14,960
» I understand but on the same token our
property taxes go up, our school taxes

1327
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:18,000
keep going up. It seems a little bit
more financial responsibility maybe not

1328
02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:22,320
necessarily specifically in the town
part uh but across the board to kind of

1329
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:26,159
balance things out for the taxpayers. I
also worry about the local businesses

1330
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:30,400
that are going to be fronting a big big
bill from this. Um, you know, I work in

1331
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:34,159
academia. I'm familiar with grants. You
know, if I don't get a grant, I don't do

1332
02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:39,199
the work. So, you know, now we're paying
something that

1333
02:03:35,599 --> 02:03:42,239
» the the DEEC was going to impose daily
fines on the town.

1334
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:48,000
» Uh, yeah,
>> daily fines on the town if the town did

1335
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:51,679
not do this project. And this project is
actually passed when it was supposed to

1336
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:55,920
be done and only but for the grace of
the DEEC saying we'll give us this an

1337
02:03:53,760 --> 02:04:00,800
extension. The town would be paying
daily fines. So they have a pretty big

1338
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:05,760
stick to hit us with unfortunately.
>> And and I believe we are under a consent

1339
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:10,639
order. Greg, is that correct? Correct.
>> Yeah. So unfortunately,

1340
02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:14,560
we as a community, we kicked this can
down the road about as far as we

1341
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:19,679
possibly can because I remember when
these new regulations came out and it's

1342
02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:27,920
been almost 20 years. So they uh they
did allow municipalities to comply last

1343
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:32,480
and we took every every day of that.
>> And just remember you you get a public

1344
02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:36,719
notice anytime the town does anything
like this. So if we have to upgrade our

1345
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:41,679
plant, you will get a public notice for
a public hearing like this where you can

1346
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:48,080
come and voice your opinion. Um so that
that that weighs a lot on the town board

1347
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:51,040
if there's enough, you know, negative to
it, they can make a determination that

1348
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:55,199
way,
>> right? And and we always discuss those

1349
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:59,440
options of what we're required to do
from a DEC or an EPA. So, someone had

1350
02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:04,480
mentioned earlier about the water
project. We're not anywhere near that,

1351
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:09,920
but as that does develop, if it
develops, the text mygov app, all this

1352
02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:15,560
public notice, everything will be mailed
out because absolutely we do want to

1353
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:15,560
hear from everybody.

1354
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:21,679
» Thank you.
And if you did send me a grievance

1355
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:25,679
letter after today's board meeting and
the board reviews the responses to the

1356
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:30,199
grievance letters, we will be mailing
them out. Just an FYI.

1357
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:48,800
» Good evening. Ed Branson, Shenangle
Bridge Road. My only concern here is

1358
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:55,440
here in the TBUS
is what happens like this brought out

1359
02:05:51,760 --> 02:06:02,719
some numbers and an example. So if I had
100 ft of road frontage and a neighbor

1360
02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:10,320
has 75 ft
and me and my wife family of two in our

1361
02:06:05,679 --> 02:06:13,679
house, family of five in the 75 ft. So
I'm going to pay more than them even

1362
02:06:12,239 --> 02:06:20,320
though they're going to use the system
more.

1363
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:25,280
So you could see I might have an issue.
>> I I get it. And you're 0.25 higher

1364
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:28,080
because of your road frontage. That's
that's just the way the formula works.

1365
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:32,880
But I understand.
>> Well, can't we just do a better formula?

1366
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:34,639
Like put a percentage on the amount of
water used.

1367
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:38,239
» And that's a completely different
discussion. Again, the debt amount won't

1368
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:41,280
change.
>> It might reduce it for you, but somebody

1369
02:06:40,079 --> 02:06:44,560
else sitting in the room is going to
pick up the difference.

1370
02:06:42,639 --> 02:06:47,599
» Right. But I'm saying if they use the
water,

1371
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:52,079
» but it's not based on the usage. We base
this off the frontage. If we were basing

1372
02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:55,599
this off of usage, you'll be get a big
fluctuation in your EDUs because

1373
02:06:53,840 --> 02:07:00,000
nobody's going to use any water, right?
And then all of a sudden that amount per

1374
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:04,639
gallon is going to skyrocket because
we're basing it off of that. This was

1375
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:08,960
done in a pretty fair manner. Certainly,
we could review it, but I understand

1376
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:11,960
what you're saying. I'm in the same
predicament.

1377
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:18,280
All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1378
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:42,480
Uh like I said earlier,
similarly

1379
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:42,480
with the water.

1380
02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:49,520
came in through the office when it was
down on front street.

1381
02:07:48,079 --> 02:07:55,280
» I I don't want to interrupt you, but
this is for the the sewer debt. This is

1382
02:07:52,719 --> 02:08:00,400
not this is not for the water district.
>> Okay. Uh

1383
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:07,800
» if anybody has any real concerns about
the sewer district,

1384
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:07,800
» you've only got 30 days to do something.

1385
02:08:09,599 --> 02:08:19,840
I know taking it to court
division of New York State. You only

1386
02:08:16,719 --> 02:08:25,520
have 30 days to
question the municipality.

1387
02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:31,119
» Yeah, it'll be 30 days from whenever the
board votes to actually approve the

1388
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:36,000
sewer edu assessments. So I I don't
believe the board isn't planning to take

1389
02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:41,119
action tonight because there have been
many letters sent to DPW saying, "Hey,

1390
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:46,400
you know, I'm grieving it. I should be
at this number, not that number, which

1391
02:08:44,079 --> 02:08:50,239
DPW has reviewed. They've given their
comments to the board." The board will

1392
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:54,480
review those probably after the public
hearing is over just to look at them

1393
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:58,320
more specifically and then they might
choose to do it at the next meeting

1394
02:08:55,599 --> 02:09:02,320
depending on how late it gets. Uh but
the board I think will not take action

1395
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:08,560
tonight. Maybe at a meeting in September
after they vote then yes 30 days.

1396
02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:14,520
» But you did say that we
or at least some people were charged

1397
02:09:11,199 --> 02:09:14,520
last year.

1398
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:22,639
» So
well over 30 days

1399
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:29,040
» to to challenge last year's assessment.
Yes. challenged last year.

1400
02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:32,040
Still challenged this year.
>> Correct.

1401
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:49,000
» Anyone else
before we close the public hearing

1402
02:09:45,119 --> 02:09:49,000
» or do you want to leave it open?

1403
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:17,280
I heard that there's several people that
have grievances against their EDU. So if

1404
02:10:15,199 --> 02:10:24,560
the you look into that further and
determine that yes, they were

1405
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:31,199
um calculated incorrectly and that
they're they get lower then does that

1406
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:35,199
mean everybody else's will go higher to
make up the difference

1407
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:38,639
» the the edu's assessment
>> not the edu itself but the amount

1408
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:41,599
» the unit rate
>> so then will there be another public

1409
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:47,040
will you have to have another public
hearing on the new amount

1410
02:10:43,119 --> 02:10:51,520
» no the the amount is set the budget time
>> okay so this is just for the edu

1411
02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:55,760
specifically even though it even though
the letter gave the amount in there.

1412
02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:59,520
» Yeah, that that was the number from last
year. So to put it in a context that

1413
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:03,040
people might find more familiar
>> just like your house in in the

1414
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:05,920
assessment for your house,
>> right?

1415
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:11,040
» You know your house is worth $200,000.
You get a notice that it's increasing

1416
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:15,440
from 200 to like 225. You get that in
the spring. You go to the board of

1417
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:19,280
assessment review. You grieve it and the
board of assessment review either agrees

1418
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:24,880
with you or not. And if you don't like
what the bar did, you file a tax cert

1419
02:11:22,719 --> 02:11:29,840
case challenging the assessment. This
it's the same type of process. You get

1420
02:11:27,119 --> 02:11:34,079
edus. If you challenge it, you file a
lawsuit against the town to say, "Oh, I

1421
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:36,000
shouldn't have been at 1.13. I should
have been at one or whatever the

1422
02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:39,760
numbers."
>> So, this is specifically for the .edu,

1423
02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:42,760
not the amount of
>> correct.

1424
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:55,800
Anybody else?

1425
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:05,040
All right, that looks like
Am I closing it?

1426
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:08,159
All right, I'm going to close the public
hearing for the debt assessment for the

1427
02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:12,159
sewer district, Consolidated Sewer
District. Thank you for coming.

1428
02:12:10,159 --> 02:12:17,800
» Um, do you are we discussing these
tonight?

1429
02:12:14,079 --> 02:12:17,800
or what's the plan?

1430
02:12:22,719 --> 02:12:27,599
» There's more. So, yes.
>> So, they keep coming in. There was a

1431
02:12:26,719 --> 02:12:34,079
list of
>> I saw the responses to on those

1432
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:37,360
» responses were for each one,
>> but there was an updated list. Jean, to

1433
02:12:36,159 --> 02:12:39,119
your to your point, there's more that
have come.

1434
02:12:37,679 --> 02:12:43,119
» They keep coming in. I I gave them to
noon today to put to send them to you by

1435
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:46,560
email, which I figured Right.
>> But it's probably not. You know what I'm

1436
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:49,920
saying? That's why I think future. So,
what do you want to do for a cutoff?

1437
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:53,840
What's the best?
>> I mean, today was the cut off.

1438
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:58,400
» This Let's just get it updated because
there were some that came in today.

1439
02:12:56,159 --> 02:13:03,040
Okay. So, I'm in I'm in favor of
updating that, reading through all of

1440
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:05,599
them, and then having that discussion
with responses

1441
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:08,760
» with the responses.
>> It's just

1442
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:14,239
» the new five that I
>> Is that what it is? Five.

1443
02:13:12,159 --> 02:13:18,320
» There was five that I sent out today.
>> Right. Those those just need to be

1444
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:21,599
included to what I I just printed off
the spreadsheet, Greg.

1445
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:25,360
» It's on the new spreadsheet as well. I
>> Right. But I the responses the letters

1446
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:29,440
and the responses that you initially
sent with the original sheet. I think

1447
02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:34,400
» they're all on the agenda.
>> If you click on the one, the two

1448
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:37,199
» on the agenda under letters.
>> I think he added some this afternoon.

1449
02:13:36,079 --> 02:13:40,400
» There's five more,
>> right,

1450
02:13:37,599 --> 02:13:43,360
» that he sent by email that has his
response with them. But we can put them

1451
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:46,239
all together for a future meeting.
>> Yes.

1452
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:50,560
» Okay. And then the person who showed up
tonight that I I think caught as an

1453
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:54,000
actual like question to look into was
Deborah Lynch at 13 Warner Road. Just to

1454
02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:56,159
check is she actually on the sewer line
or not?

1455
02:13:54,639 --> 02:13:59,760
» Yes, she is.
>> Yes.

1456
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:03,599
» Yeah. So I put I mean she came she
appeared. There should be just a

1457
02:14:01,119 --> 02:14:07,159
response to that to the town board so
the town board knows.

1458
02:14:07,599 --> 02:14:15,159
» 13
>> 13 Warner Road. 13 Warner Road.

1459
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:15,159
» Yeah. Warner Road. Yep.

1460
02:14:17,599 --> 02:14:25,960
» So, when do you want this? What What
agenda do you want this on?

1461
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:25,960
» I think we got to do this next.

1462
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:29,159
» Yes.

1463
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:40,880
Okay. 92 sewer edu agenda.

1464
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:46,280
Okay. Anything else tonight?

1465
02:14:46,719 --> 02:14:51,480
» You didn't need to do an executive
session.

1466
02:14:53,599 --> 02:14:59,760
» Yeah.
>> Without him.

1467
02:14:55,760 --> 02:15:03,239
» Well, I thought you asked Alex to come.
>> Oh, for RFPs.

1468
02:15:03,920 --> 02:15:10,079
» Is I I'm just trying to remember what
we've talked about in the past.

1469
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:17,880
Yes.

1470
02:15:21,199 --> 02:15:24,199
Okay.

1471
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:28,920
Yes.

1472
02:15:41,599 --> 02:15:44,599
Huh?

1473
02:15:44,639 --> 02:15:47,639
» Yeah.

1474
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:12,400
You want
the process?

1475
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:16,639
» Oh. Oh, the
have to go back to old business.

1476
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:19,760
» I I I don't know. I mean,
>> it's I don't think you guys need to get

1477
02:16:18,159 --> 02:16:25,199
overly rott about it. You just want to
have an executive session for the topic.

1478
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:31,320
I mean, you're it's your meeting. You
can bring anything up at any point if

1479
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:31,320
you feel like you need to do it.

1480
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:38,719
about doing this tonight or putting on a
future topic.

1481
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:45,479
» It's your It's your
>> I was just trying to remind

1482
02:16:41,439 --> 02:16:45,479
» you can do whatever we want.

1483
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:05,000
We wanted to convert

1484
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:28,319
just

1485
02:17:38,000 --> 02:17:41,639
is the existing.

1486
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:53,960
» So, which one do you want to do first?

1487
02:17:54,639 --> 02:18:02,599
» Huh?
in executive session first and then

1488
02:17:58,719 --> 02:18:02,599
discuss out afterwards.

1489
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:10,760
» Yes.

1490
02:18:12,639 --> 02:18:17,559
» I I agree. There's no reason why not.

1491
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:43,920
I'll second that.
>> Any discussion? None.

1492
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:48,080
» I have none.
>> Roll call.

1493
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:49,359
» Mr. SL is absent. Mr. Sonus.
>> Hi,

1494
02:18:48,559 --> 02:18:51,679
» Mr. Johnson.
>> Hi,

1495
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:57,399
» Mr. Mr. Hbert, Mr. Warden.
>> Hi.

1496
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:57,399
» Is that something you guys want me on?

1497
02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:02,120
» I don't think so.

1498
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:07,240
» Sorry.

1499
02:19:23,519 --> 02:19:26,599
Thank you.

1500
02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:54,200
Yeah.

1501
02:21:33,680 --> 02:21:36,680
That's

1502
02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:32,920
question.

1503
02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:45,399
What's up?

1504
02:24:03,439 --> 02:24:06,439
Sorry.

1505
02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:21,120
Is

1506
02:28:05,439 --> 02:28:08,600
Thank you.

1507
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:44,840
I will

1508
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:12,120
pop it out.

1509
02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:29,160
Yeah.

1510
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:10,600
You want to create?

1511
02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:28,840
Yes.

1512
02:35:51,280 --> 02:35:54,439
What was

1513
02:36:07,600 --> 02:36:09,840
One

1514
02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:01,560
Yeah.

1515
02:37:04,240 --> 02:37:07,479
that people

1516
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:19,960
wasn't good.

1517
02:37:47,760 --> 02:37:51,080
That's it.

1518
02:38:38,720 --> 02:38:42,280
ridicul. Yeah.

1519
02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:52,200
So last

1520
02:39:21,840 --> 02:39:24,920
Oh yeah.

1521
02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:36,359
There's

1522
02:39:45,439 --> 02:39:48,439
going

1523
02:40:01,439 --> 02:40:04,439
around.

1524
02:40:24,160 --> 02:40:28,720
So
what it

1525
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:33,000
everyone.

1526
02:41:12,240 --> 02:41:15,240
address.

1527
02:41:26,160 --> 02:41:28,319
You

1528
02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:44,920
You're not

1529
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:07,880
You actually.

1530
02:42:46,479 --> 02:42:51,000
Yeah, there's another gentleman

1531
02:43:01,680 --> 02:43:04,680
What's

1532
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:15,000
not

1533
02:44:09,040 --> 02:44:12,200
I'll say

1534
02:44:36,479 --> 02:44:39,800
Oh, it's

1535
02:45:09,359 --> 02:45:12,359
Washington.

1536
02:45:28,720 --> 02:45:31,720
Jordan.

1537
02:45:58,720 --> 02:46:01,800
How many

1538
02:46:23,040 --> 02:46:26,439
That's coming out.

1539
02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:38,760
very

1540
02:48:15,359 --> 02:48:18,359
That's

1541
02:52:55,040 --> 02:52:58,479
motion 747.

1542
02:53:06,319 --> 02:53:10,680
Okay, we're back in regular session.

1543
02:53:33,279 --> 02:53:39,920
I'll second that. Any discussion?
>> None.

1544
02:53:37,040 --> 02:53:44,640
» Okay.
>> Mr. SL is absent. Mr. Sonus. Hi.

1545
02:53:42,160 --> 02:53:48,200
» Mr. Johnson. Hi. Mr. Halbert. Hi. Mr.
Warden. Hi.

1546
02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:03,960
No, I think Alice can go, but Darren
should say, right?

1547
02:54:08,399 --> 02:54:13,960
» That That was funny when you I'm sorry.
That one was funny.

1548
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:19,800
I'll be right here waiting for you.

1549
02:54:52,240 --> 02:54:55,640
How does it work?

1550
02:55:17,920 --> 02:55:20,000
It's All

1551
02:55:30,960 --> 02:55:33,960
right.

1552
02:55:50,240 --> 02:55:53,479
Are you sure?

1553
02:57:27,359 --> 02:57:30,560
That's hard.

1554
02:59:06,399 --> 02:59:09,640
There is

1555
02:59:20,000 --> 02:59:23,000
heat.

1556
03:01:02,080 --> 03:01:05,240
You have

1557
03:01:43,120 --> 03:01:47,080
Okay, thank you.

1558
03:17:09,040 --> 03:17:12,040
Yeah.

1559
03:23:38,800 --> 03:23:41,680
That's

1560
03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:37,680
All right, we're back in regular
session.

1561
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:40,680
Does anybody have anything else for this
evening?

1562
03:24:42,000 --> 03:24:49,160
I just wanted to acknowledge that Mr.
Crack stayed till the end of the meeting

1563
03:24:45,040 --> 03:24:49,160
and we appreciate his presence.

1564
03:24:49,840 --> 03:24:55,160
» Do I have a do I have a a second for the
motion?

1565
03:24:56,239 --> 03:25:01,520
» Yeah.
>> Second.

1566
03:24:59,120 --> 03:25:04,840
» All in favor? Hi. Hi.
>> We're out of here.

1567
03:26:13,120 --> 03:26:17,160
I don't know. I was just guessing.

1568
03:26:29,120 --> 03:26:34,000
I saw those.
I saw those