[0:45] Oh yeah.
[3:52] Welcome everybody to our
board meeting. Stand to the flag.
[4:21] Okay. Roll call.
>> Um, Mr.
[4:27] » Mr. Johnson
>> here.
[4:29] » Mr. Hbert
>> here.
[4:30] » Mr. Warden
>> here. Uh, communications.
[4:34] » Uh, yeah. I have one. Uh, I'd like to
suggest to the board that uh we update
[4:39] the fee schedule for the clerk's office
to incorporate a $10 fee for arms checks
[4:43] as we recently had an issue and also to
uh incorporate the uh uh dog license
[4:49] late fee increase from $5 to $6 into the
fee schedule as a future topic.
[4:56] That's all.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[5:00] Okay. We're going to go right to open
forum. Guest shall speak in an orderly
[5:03] fashion or limited remarks of five time
minutes or less. The speaker shall
[5:06] deliver their comments or concerns in a
civil tone without the use of profanity,
[5:10] personal attacks, or other disruptive
behavior which may result in offenders
[5:13] removal from the meeting. The speaker
shall not be interrupted except for
[5:16] matter of urgency. Would anybody like to
speak tonight?
[5:24] Okay.
All right. We're going to move right on
[5:28] then.
We're going to go to 5.1 wastewater
[5:31] treatment plant updates. Old business.
[5:36] So, we have the monthly update for the
board from Barton and Lejudice.
[5:42] Uh, one what? One payup
and an invoice from Barton and Leudus.
[5:51] Does anybody have any questions
on those items? Um, are we ever going to
[5:56] get that uh one one pump station that we
don't control yet before the project's
[6:02] over with or
>> not?
[6:05] » I was talking with Leen about that
earlier today. I'm working on that with
[6:08] her.
>> Then I got to get back to Nate on the
[6:12] acquisition.
[6:20] Alex, do I understand what you're saying
is that we're moving forward with with
[6:25] the I mean that that's the goal,
>> correct?
[6:28] » Okay.
[6:35] All right. Everybody's all set with
that. We'll move on.
[6:37] » I am.
>> All right. 5.2 comprehensive plan
[6:43] update. Text my gov update.
Uh you got some background information.
[6:48] Uh
the committee met on August 11th last
[6:54] Tuesday and they covered a lot of
topics.
[6:57] It's a pretty energetic group of people.
Uh they want to make sure that as many
[7:01] people has input in the comp plan as
possible. So they got a note a lot of
[7:06] things they've been doing here.
Uh we got a spokesperson. We got Chris
[7:13] Bodc. He's going to have media event
sometime here and we're lucky to have uh
[7:19] Lauren Brooks because he has media
contacts so that's all falling into
[7:22] place.
I guess the biggest hangup we're having
[7:25] is uh getting information on the grant
money. Uh the state is not returning our
[7:31] calls to get information what we have
the rules and regulations we have to
[7:37] follow follow and such. It's just a
radio silence with them. So, uh, that's
[7:43] where we stand on that. I think
I don't know what the deal is. U, Renee
[7:49] is making all the contact calls and
stuff and she's just not getting nothing
[7:53] back as far as I can tell.
>> No, not yet.
[7:58] » But I don't know how long we go or get
close to budget season. I think as a
[8:03] backup plan, we should
possibly feel like we're going to fund
[8:07] or fund it ourselves and not count on
the grant. not falling into place.
[8:14] Other than that, uh we have our next
meeting coming up on September 15th, the
[8:19] conference with meeting or group there.
And our next meeting with CERS
[8:25] themselves is the end of September,
September 28th.
[8:30] » Okay, everybody get the mailer.
>> I got mine today.
[8:34] » I got yours today.
>> I got mine yesterday.
[8:38] » I got mine yesterday.
>> Yeah, I got mine yesterday.
[8:42] Okay. Well, they're out there.
>> Yeah.
[8:44] » Probably see the surveys jump up now.
Hopefully. That's our whole plan.
[8:49] Surveys.
>> All right. Any questions for
[8:55] Dan?
>> Yeah.
[8:55] » And the uh
>> the text mic of tomorrow at 10:00 is
[9:00] when the text message is going out to
11,000 people in the town.
[9:05] » All at the same time.
>> All at the same time. I want to be
[9:09] standing next to a whole bunch of phones
go off.
[9:12] » That's what's supposed to happen.
>> All right, perfect. Let's get it going.
[9:20] All right. Anything else? Good. All
right. We're going to move on then. 5.3.
[9:25] Clerk's office financials.
[9:28] » Uh yeah, I have a letter that I'm sure
you've read. Uh financials are a little
[9:34] bit more present as of June. And uh
currently Tim is over 28.75 hours and
[9:40] $56810.
I'm uh predicting a possible $750 by the
[9:46] end of the year. And I have uh two lines
I have suggested to venture the money
[9:50] from.
[9:58] Do you have um
[10:03] the amounts from each line that you want
to transfer to to to cover that 750. I
[10:07] didn't see a breakdown of which line
item you wanted. There were two you
[10:11] wanted to pull it from, but I don't know
how much.
[10:16] » Uh, I can come up with that. I see what
you guys wanted to do first.
[10:21] » So, I I discussed this with Tom about
using contractual money and personnel
[10:27] lines and he says it can be done. It's
usually not done towards the end of the
[10:31] year. If you're going to run short
towards the end of the year, then the
[10:35] board can do it by resolution to move
the money from contractual to cover a
[10:39] personnel line. But they want to make
sure he usually says most municipalities
[10:42] wait till towards the end of the year to
make sure whatever contracts contractual
[10:47] lines are being used for what they need
to be used for so you're not shorting
[10:51] that line.
[10:54] » What What is that was the other question
um Adam that I was going to ask you
[10:59] about is what what are the the budgets
of $5,000 and $6,000
[11:08] what made up those amounts and because I
see that the records management is a
[11:16] budget of 5,000 and it has 97% remaining
and the central store room of five of
[11:27] $6,000 has just over 74% remaining. So,
uh, what makes up those line items and
[11:37] are do you expect to use them?
>> Well, this year we've been moving
[11:43] through it slowly, obviously. Um, and I
would be mindful of making sure that we
[11:47] would have the funds to transfer.
Uh, the central store room is basically
[11:53] office supplies and things like that.
Records management is just a bit of a
[11:58] catchall for certain other supplies that
are more related to the records room
[12:01] than the office.
[12:05] » Okay,
Adam. They're both supply line items.
[12:11] » Yeah.
>> Distinction between the two is what?
[12:17] » Central store room is office supplies
>> and and what's the other one? if it's
[12:22] supplies. What? Give me an example of
what that would be.
[12:26] » Uh well, off the top of my head, um I I
really don't use a lot of money from
[12:32] this and haven't yet. Uh just if we need
uh books or binders to put minutes in or
[12:39] things like that,
>> right? And and and I agree with you that
[12:42] there's there was budgeted $5,000 in
there, you've used $150
[12:46] » and we're in August.
>> Yeah. So yeah, I was just trying to
[12:49] understand what was in there and what
would the expectation to be to have
[12:53] monies in that line item at the end of
the year. It seems like you may if
[12:58] that's what it is
>> and you're still
[13:02] you're only you've got 70 what 4% left
of your supply line budget.
[13:07] » Mhm.
>> Okay.
[13:10] Does the board wish uh for the next
meeting I will have budget transfers
[13:16] for you to review and approve by
resolution to fix some of the lines in
[13:22] the budget? Do you want this or do you
want to wait to see where it goes?
[13:32] What is your recommendation, Adam? I
know your letter
[13:38] just states that you want to transfer
them, but there is no
[13:43] there's no time frame in that letter. So
that I'm just want to know what your
[13:47] recommendation is. You want to do it now
or do you want to do it later?
[13:51] » Uh I I figured we would wait until
November, December. There's no harm in
[13:55] that unless uh the board advises
otherwise or Tom has a suggestion for
[13:59] that.
>> I think Tom's suggestion is to wait.
[14:03] That would be that would be my thought.
I I have no objection of, you know,
[14:07] going with his recommendation. I just
didn't see what Adam was. So, I'm fine
[14:12] with waiting. So,
no, Kevin, don't don't include it from
[14:18] my point of view.
>> The lines that I'm going to include are
[14:22] ones that are short. Obviously, this
line is not short now. So, understood.
[14:26] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[14:27] » So, you're just giving us a heads up. I
mean,
[14:30] » correct.
>> Because I got I got the idea we had to
[14:31] get this done soon. No, I think I I
think the discussion was where are we
[14:36] just because we knew it was over, but we
didn't no one realized what the dollar
[14:41] amount was. I think now that Adam's
identified that and how we'll manage
[14:46] that in the remainder of the year, it's
just being vigilant to it so we don't
[14:50] get the surprise in December.
[14:55] I just I don't want it to go
un
[15:00] um
as far as the process goes, the checks
[15:05] and balance part of it. Um there's got
to be, you know, what's the process,
[15:08] Adam, that you're going to be putting in
place that you're author, you've
[15:12] authorized these expenditures that are
over the line item without authorization
[15:17] to spend the money.
So at some I I would like to see a
[15:23] written policy from you to the board on
what your department policy is on
[15:30] when you when you know that you're
asking him to work more hours. That's a
[15:34] that's going to translate into a line
item expenditure and how how are you
[15:39] dealing with that throughout the year?
[15:45] » Do you mean to hunt down a policy or
suggest a policy? Is that what you're
[15:48] asking? That's what I'm asking for is to
to see or for you to develop a
[15:54] department policy on how you're handling
all your line items, not just this, but
[15:59] uh when you're when you're doing
something that's going to be over
[16:02] budget,
how is your department handling that?
[16:07] » Okay. As far as I know, there is, but I
can come up with something to suggest
[16:11] for that.
>> Okay.
[16:19] All right, we're going to move on.
Everybody's good with that?
[16:22] » Yep.
>> All right. 5.4 Hometown Heroes. Uh Luke
[16:26] couldn't make it tonight. Um everybody
see the information that he has there.
[16:31] We can uh we can put it on next meeting.
>> Let him discuss.
[16:37] » I'm sure he'd like to be here for that.
>> Okay. So, we're going to table that till
[16:41] the next meeting. Uh 5.5
department head probation discussion.
[16:49] Uh you want me to put that back on there
for this meeting?
[16:58] Do you want to discuss it tonight or do
you want to
[17:03] table it for the whole board?
[17:07] » I have no issue with tableing it for the
for for the whole board.
[17:11] So till next meeting we can just do it
in the same.
[17:14] » Yeah I think I think we should for the
whole so for so when everyone's here I
[17:18] think that discussion should include
everyone.
[17:22] Okay. Oh,
>> I I
[17:27] had sent um I did see that
>> and not to interject, I don't want to
[17:31] put that in because we're not going to
discuss it. But one of the things I
[17:34] didn't do um I didn't send was a a
template for
[17:41] um for the department head a whole
outline issue for the a template for the
[17:46] department head position with those
items kind of broken out into different
[17:51] sections
and if you're interested with for that I
[17:55] can forward that on. I would I would be
>> because I I did read what you what you
[18:00] had sent and and again not to carry on
that conversation tonight, but I would
[18:04] like to see that template. If you put
that together and send that out, that'd
[18:08] be great.
>> I will.
[18:09] » All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[18:12] » All right. We're going to skip over the
public hearing because that'll be at 6
[18:15] PM.
We're going to move on to there's no new
[18:20] business tonight, so we're going to go
right on to department reports 8.1
[18:26] highway report.
Uh first up, you'll see the Fox Road.
[18:32] Um, I went ahead and got Hunts in there
to do that for me and we uh made the
[18:37] deadline of August 11th to get this
submitted to the state so that we could
[18:41] get that uh monitoring plan in place so
that we can be removed off of the red or
[18:47] to the inactivation uh report there for
that. So, and I put the report in there.
[18:51] So you guys have that doesn't mean that
we're out of the water of not doing
[18:55] this, but it opens us up to give us some
time to for me to try to evaluate and
[19:00] get a plan going to get that replaced or
what we got to do.
[19:11] Anything with that? Any questions on
>> Darren? That was a periodic monitoring
[19:16] particularly after a rain event.
>> Yeah. So, pretty much they're going to
[19:20] do it um after every um heavy rain or
every 3 to six months. They'll check it
[19:25] for us. That's how they wrote it up and
they're going to do it. Uh I'm checking
[19:29] it on a weekly basis because if
something does happen in between, uh we
[19:33] they'll come right out and take a look
and see where we need to go. But I'm on
[19:37] it weekly um if not a couple times a
week. So, just because I don't want to
[19:41] see an issue that I can't take care of.
But but there is no date that says you
[19:47] have to have a new one in place by this
date.
[19:50] » No. No, not right now. But uh they Hunts
looked at it and said it definitely
[19:56] needs, you know, we got time with it.
It's not like it's the road's going away
[20:00] completely. Um but something we need to
put on our radar to get
[20:04] » Yeah, we we do need to keep that on the
front burner, keep it moving along for
[20:08] sure.
>> So, but it's not something tomorrow,
[20:11] which is good.
Um, at the same point, I'm reached out.
[20:15] We're in the process of sending out
letters um to Senator's office and to
[20:22] Joangelino's office to see and let them
know what we got with all this to see if
[20:27] there's any help that they have maybe
towards the end of the year or starting
[20:30] at helping us next year. I also reached
out to the BMTS
[20:34] um Broom County one and she's going to
get back to me. I have a meeting with
[20:39] her coming up in two weeks or a week.
Um, so I'm hoping we can talk about it
[20:44] and see what they can do to help us. Um,
so I'm looking at funding so gives us
[20:48] some time.
[20:53] Um, number two, the salt shade the salt
shed update is you can see there um
[20:59] asked for where I'd like the money to
come from. That's where the extra would
[21:03] come from. I also had talked with Hunts
on this one and
[21:09] this project is they're working on
redoing the bid package to um to reflect
[21:17] the start and end dates changing. So the
start of of construction would be
[21:22] sometime in either April or May of next
year and completion would then be either
[21:27] June or July. So it gives us next year
in time and they feel that the price
[21:32] will definitely come down as well. Um
because it's to get it done them to get
[21:39] into it do it this year and it gives us
and they're going to change he's I
[21:43] talked to them they talked to us today
they're just they're going to try to
[21:47] adjust some of the stuff for us to look
at on like the wall and construction
[21:52] there. So it gives us some more time.
Darren, is there is it their opinion
[21:57] that the estimate that we have is based
on an expedited schedule?
[22:00] » Yes,
>> that's what they put it on.
[22:04] » And then Darren, if you would just
because I know we talked, you and I
[22:07] talked with Joy about when we need to be
under contract for purposes of the grant
[22:14] because that's, you know, it's not
shovel and ground. It's actually just
[22:18] we've awarded and the contract is signed
by what was the date? So, we have a
[22:22] deadline of October whatever for us to
do once the first step of the paperwork
[22:28] and we're getting we're going to meet
all that. It has nothing to do with
[22:30] going to bid or signing contracts. I
believe that
[22:35] is November, but we have to get through
the first step in October to meet that.
[22:39] And then there's another deadline in
November.
[22:42] » Yeah. So, from what Joy was saying, it
sounds like we have to be under
[22:44] contract, you know, it awarded contract
signed Yeah. for the grant by sometime
[22:50] in in November. So, we we do have a
little more time than I think we felt we
[22:54] had earlier this year.
[23:03] » Uh number three there, uh CDL training.
I have one of my senior guys. We have uh
[23:09] um the trailer and trucks situation with
pulling our skid steer and stuff. He
[23:14] went out, got his um class A um permit.
So, I'm starting to use him to pull the
[23:20] trailer and truck with our with Todd,
our mechanic. But this is the guy that's
[23:25] running the machine all the time. So,
I've uh I'm going to sign him up for the
[23:28] course and get it done so that he can
get trained and be uh get his CDL so
[23:32] that he can just pull that and I don't
have and then it gives me the operator
[23:36] and then Todd as a backup in case we
need it. But this is going to help me
[23:40] save time and stuff.
And it shows the line item there where
[23:45] I'm taking it from. So it's out of my
highway, superintendent lines where I
[23:50] have money in there for.
[23:54] And then the last one is the job posting
for um I want to put it back out because
[23:59] I did it before. This is to replace the
guy that's retiring. I'm still working
[24:04] the full out details with him, but I
just want to get the so I can get it let
[24:07] you guys know. I want to get it posted
and then he can let me know. We're
[24:11] working on his schedule of his when he's
actually leaving and then exact dates
[24:16] and that way I can get a start on a guy
coming in. My goal would be to have
[24:21] somebody now um start which would be the
end of September which would be either
[24:26] September 28th or the 12th of October
depending on time frame of me getting
[24:32] applications and and that kind of stuff.
But I just want to let you know I'm
[24:35] working back on that. And then that
shows the figures where I'd pull out of
[24:39] the my highway fund balance um if for
>> And that would be your shortfall on that
[24:43] personnel line.
>> Yes.
[24:45] » And that shortfall is based on
the 28th of September.
[24:50] » That's based on the 28th as of right
now. Yes.
[24:54] But as I look at it, I'm trying to dates
in place. So
[25:00] because I'm probably going to post it
for two weeks and then go from there.
[25:04] See what I can get.
But it wouldn't be more than that. No.
[25:15] And then just one quick thing that I
didn't get on here. I apologize, but
[25:18] real quick, drop off days, cleanup drop
off days are going to be September 16th
[25:22] through the 19th at our landfill. At the
same time, I'm going to have a dumpster
[25:27] put in Castle Creek so that we can start
removing and that week we can start
[25:32] removing cleaning up some of the stuff
in Castle Creek at the same time. And I
[25:36] spoke with Greg about this and we'll
work together to get it. I'll start on
[25:40] it while we have the dumpsters for that.
Just to give you a heads up on that.
[25:50] » Excellent.
>> Darren, that's remove that's removing
[25:52] the debris that's at the top of the
hill.
[25:54] Yeah, we're going to move whatever's at
the top of the hill plus we're going to
[25:57] get the unit at the bottom moved that
shed moved and then whatever's inside
[26:01] that we'll get that cleaned up and put
in a dumpster.
[26:04] » Okay.
>> Yep.
[26:06] » Great. Thank you.
>> That's the plan. So, as long as we can
[26:08] get it done,
[26:12] » any other questions for Darren?
I just want a clarification on the salt
[26:19] shed budget line item of 8 of a 878A.
[26:26] I couldn't I couldn't find that specific
one in the budget. So, I just wanted to
[26:32] make sure that that was correct.
[26:37] » What is it again?
>> A 878A.
[26:42] » It's on your financial
[26:46] It's a capital improvement reserve.
>> It's a capital improvements reserve fund
[26:53] » as 1,464,231.74.
[26:58] It's under fund balance.
>> Okay. So, it's it's not
[27:05] » it's not actually in the budget for
it's what we put in
[27:12] in the past. for reserve fund.
Okay,
[27:19] it's what we allocated fund balance to
because we also have we have a whole
[27:25] bunch of stuff in here. We have
the roof the roofs in there, the parking
[27:30] lot comprehensive plan,
[27:36] building condition study, a lot of
that's been used.
[27:41] All right. So when when we get the fund
balance report stuff all squared away,
[27:44] we can include that in it
like
[27:49] that'll update the information. I
couldn't find it in there. That's that's
[27:51] why I was looking for that line item.
That's all.
[27:54] » So, but it it's actually the it's it's
coming out
[27:59] » the it's coming out of the fund balance
which is got a subline for the uh
[28:06] reserve fund. So
>> yes,
[28:09] » that explains it to me. Thank you.
>> Yep.
[28:15] » All right. Any other questions for
Darren?
[28:17] » I have none.
>> Okay, we're going to move on then. Uh
[28:21] 8.2 attorney's report.
>> Pretty short one. You'll see it
[28:25] attached.
Um if anyone has any questions for me
[28:29] about things that you want me to look
into, let me know. I'll be in the town
[28:33] hall for my office hours tomorrow. Uh, I
am out of town next week, so I won't
[28:39] make next a week from Thursday, but I I
will be working a bit remotely and
[28:45] certainly available by phone for
anybody.
[28:53] Questions for Nate?
>> I don't have any. Okay, we move on to
[28:59] 8.3 supervisor support report. You'll
see the June monthly financials.
[29:04] I just received the July financials hot
off the press.
[29:10] Um
I will have those to you for the next
[29:13] meeting and I hopefully have the I'll
have the fund balance report and
[29:18] hopefully budget line adjustments.
>> He's catching up.
[29:22] » He's catching up now. Um even the July
we still have it's not complete. There's
[29:28] still a few things we're still working
on the trust in agency account. So, so,
[29:33] but we're we're getting there. Um,
hopefully once we get it all cleaned up,
[29:37] it'll be easy moving forward.
[29:41] Uh, also you will see the 2024 and 2025
uh core audit reports that Jay and Luke
[29:49] did.
If you have any questions, I guess
[29:53] address them to Jay.
[29:57] » How much time did it take you to do it?
>> Well, we went through this. We spent
[30:00] quite a bit of time, actually. longer
than we would have if we had some
[30:03] experience at it. So when we went up
there um we asked the clerks to really
[30:08] take us through multiple transactions
and um and then after multiple
[30:12] transactions we obviously had a series
of questions while we were going through
[30:15] those transactions and how all those
items are handled, how the records are
[30:20] kept and then all the paper transactions
and then we reviewed we did a sample
[30:25] review for each year. We just randomly
picked several months from each year and
[30:30] went through them essentially looking
for irregularities based off of the
[30:34] process that we went through when we
talked to them. And quite frankly, it is
[30:39] a really well-run organization up there.
Um I I have to commend them. Um, I
[30:44] probably I probably spent
in total probably five hours with the
[30:50] clerks and um, Luke was probably three
going through some additional paperwork
[30:56] and just random samplings just to see if
the paperwork,
[31:01] you know, the the documentation trail
actually matched what they were telling
[31:04] us. So, I personally was very satisfied
with the operation up there. I think um
[31:12] I think the clerks do do a great job and
certainly take a lot of pride in what
[31:15] they do.
[31:24] » Weren't we supposed to have a resolution
for this?
[31:27] » I could have sworn I sent one to Jody,
but
[31:31] » we can certainly add it. I mean, it
shouldn't be an issue to add it to the
[31:34] next meeting.
Yeah, because she can't send it in to
[31:38] the reporting without a It has to
include the court's resolution accepting
[31:43] the audit. So, we'll have to do it for
the next one and then we can file them.
[31:52] It's my bad for not catching that.
[31:57] Uh, the only other thing I have is that
we uh do Does anybody have any questions
[32:01] for Jay on the
>> No, I don't.
[32:04] » Okay. I uh budget sheets are out to the
department heads. Um at the time I got
[32:09] them to them that it was the May updated
to the end of May. We we are updated now
[32:14] to July. If you guys would like I can
print updated sheets if you want to see
[32:19] where your expenditures are up to July
if that helps out.
[32:27] » Okay.
[32:30] » Okay. I
[32:40] Okay.
[32:47] » I haven't had a chance to even touch it
with working with EDUs and everything
[32:50] else. So,
[32:54] » all right.
[32:58] » You're welcome.
Any questions for me?
[33:03] None.
>> All right, moving on to resolutions.
[33:09] Resolution 9.1
approving abstract number 16.
[33:17] » So moved.
>> Second.
[33:20] » Any discussion?
>> None.
[33:23] » None.
>> Mr. Slaughter is absent. Mr. Simonus.
[33:27] » Hi.
>> Mr. Johnson.
[33:28] » Hi.
>> Mr. Halbert.
[33:30] » No.
>> Mr. Warden. Hi. Uh, resolution 9.2,
[33:34] Jean, I think, um, you'd mentioned
earlier this resolution, I think, was a
[33:38] placeholder for that department head
evaluation report or excuse me, form.
[33:44] » Um,
[33:48] well, we tabled the discussion.
>> Yeah. So, I'm just
[33:51] » So, I'll make a motion to table this um
9.2 resolution until next meeting.
[33:57] » Second.
>> Any discussion?
[34:00] » None. None.
Mr. Slo is absent. Mr. Simonus.
[34:03] » Hi.
>> Mr. Johnson.
[34:05] » Hi,
>> Mr. Halbert.
[34:06] » Hi.
>> Mr. Warden.
[34:07] » Hi.
>> And then Gan, I think 9.3. My
[34:11] recollection was you were going to get
pyramid to orid.
[34:16] » Yep. I don't I don't have the uh I don't
have the information to support that
[34:20] resolution. So, make a motion to table
that.
[34:23] » Second.
>> Well,
[34:26] » any discussion on that?
>> None.
[34:28] » None.
>> Mr. Slot is absent. Mr. Simonus.
[34:32] » Hi.
>> Mr. Johnson.
[34:33] » Hi.
>> Mr. Hullbert.
[34:34] » Hi.
>> Mr. Warden.
[34:35] » Hi.
>> Then 9.4. This is the resolution
[34:38] amending the 2026 284 agreement at the
last meeting. There had been a question
[34:44] that stumped Darren and I because we
were having a brain fart.
[34:49] Couldn't couldn't read our own
resolution. So, um, Jean, you had noted
[34:54] that 215 number didn't match the number
at the bottom of that exhibit. So,
[35:00] that's on purpose. Those are actually
two different uh amounts of money
[35:05] because they're for two different
categories of things. The first, the
[35:07] 215,000 is for the general repairs. And
then the permanent improvements number
[35:13] two says see attached list and the
number at the bottom of that is the 280
[35:17] to
335 and 1 cent. So those are that was on
[35:23] purpose.
We apologies for not being able to fully
[35:27] explain that at the last meeting.
[35:37] » So can you explain that again then?
>> Yep. So number one is the general
[35:42] repairs in the agreement.
And then you'll see it says $215,000
[35:48] for primary work and general repairs.
>> Mhm.
[35:51] » Permanent improvements is the road list
attachment which is the reconstruction
[35:57] and re uh and repair as described where
it's mill and paving projects and oil
[36:02] and stone maintenance general repairs
which collectively is $282,335
[36:09] in one set.
[36:13] » Right. that's not necessarily identified
in the attachment, right?
[36:21] And that's what was ambiguous.
>> We kept looking at that and saying there
[36:24] must be another attachment or something
that we're not seeing. But the general
[36:28] repairs is an overall fund and the
specific permanent improvements are
[36:34] identified in the attachment which is a
different amount.
[36:41] that she
[36:47] couldn't figure out.
>> I just think to remove the ambiguity in
[36:52] the future under section two of that
resolution, it would have been good to
[36:58] put the 282 in there. So then we would
have seen that correlated with the
[37:03] attachment.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I I can also see because
[37:06] collectively it's, you know, 497,
we should just say $497,000
[37:13] is authorized as follows. General
improvements number
[37:18] uh whatever the other one's called
number, just to to be clear.
[37:22] » I agree.
[37:32] Let's just forget it.
>> All right. I make a motion to accept it.
[37:37] » I make a motion to accept the
resolution.
[37:40] » I'll second that.
>> Any discussion?
[37:44] » None.
>> None.
[37:48] » Mr. SL is absent. Mr. Sonus.
>> I.
[37:50] » Mr. Johnson.
>> I.
[37:51] » Mr. Hbert.
>> I.
[37:52] » Mr. Warden.
>> I
[37:55] All righty. We're going to move right on
to future board topics.
[38:03] Let's get a meeting together for
92.
[38:16] So, we're going to have
let's just have our first two on old
[38:21] business. Wastewater treatment plant. We
have hometown heroes to move to next
[38:26] meeting
>> comp plan and then we're going to go
[38:28] hometown heroes. We're moving that
>> right. Um Jean, do you think you'd have
[38:34] the information from Pyramid to asssure
that they're following our procurement
[38:38] policy to be able to have that on the
meeting or not?
[38:43] » Hard to say.
>> Yeah, just keep it on.
[38:45] » Why don't we keep it
>> keep it on?
[38:47] » Let's I agree
>> for 92.
[38:48] » Yep.
>> What you want for 92?
[38:49] » The u the network storage.
You you just want that on as a
[38:54] resolution with backup material.
Correct.
[38:55] » Correct.
>> That's that's why I've left it on there.
[38:57] John sent me an email today. So,
>> okay.
[39:00] » When you get a chance.
>> Yep.
[39:02] » We need the resolution for the court
audits, too.
[39:07] » Yes, we need a resolution court audit.
>> Do we need to do them independently
[39:09] because they're different years?
>> Uh I I am not aware of a requirement,
[39:17] but that's actually a good question. I
don't know. I had originally I have
[39:20] drafted it as just one resolution
approves them both.
[39:25] That's probably fine. Uh but if you guys
I'll I'll break it up into two just in
[39:30] case because it's not a big deal. Okay.
>> I'd prefer to see it that way myself.
[39:36] » I would too.
>> It would probably be better for when she
[39:40] has to file it, send it in to have two
resolutions, one for each one.
[39:45] Uh,
>> do we want to uh
[39:50] » do we need an update on the fee
schedule?
[39:52] » Yes.
>> Let's get that out of the way.
[39:55] » Yes.
[40:00] » You want that under new business?
[40:04] » Yes.
>> There is some new fees. Some of the old
[40:08] » Yeah, new business.
>> Some of the old fees I don't think we we
[40:11] never updated the schedule. So
we just need to I guess we need a clean
[40:17] resolution updating the fees. So I think
we should have a discussion before we do
[40:21] the resolution.
>> The last time we had the conversation we
[40:25] talked about
doing those at year doing those at not
[40:30] the year end but as the initial
[40:35] um
>> the year.
[40:37] » Yeah. our our resolutions at the
beginning of the year is are these fees
[40:42] that then we were we were only going to
do them mid mid year if there was an
[40:47] urgency for increasing these fees.
>> So a few of them there is an urgency
[40:52] because they're being collected.
So we need them on the fee schedule
[40:56] because we approved it by resolution.
>> So I think where something's already
[41:01] been approved. It just needs to be sent
off to general code for general code to
[41:05] update it because that portion of your
town code compilation says you can amend
[41:12] this schedule by resolution and that's
what you've done. It's just I guess no
[41:17] one circled back with general code to
say, "Hey, please change this." That's
[41:21] fine. So, I don't want to get into it.
We're talking about future topics, but
[41:24] we've talked about the roofing permits
and then the dog license late fee for
[41:30] $1. Those are both approved by
resolution by the board. So,
[41:35] » oh, I don't remember the dog license
being done by resolution, but if it was,
[41:40] what
>> we'd have to go back
[41:42] » bring it up again.
>> I think it's just to approve the fee
[41:46] schedule,
>> right? Isn't that what we need to do?
[41:52] I do think we should just put it on I
think we just put it on the agenda
[41:56] » and we'll have discussion
>> so we don't get into it right now.
[42:01] » Okay.
>> All right. That's fine. So under new
[42:04] business,
[42:12] uh department head probation discussion
under old business.
[42:28] Are we are we doing that tonight? We
carried it over from last meeting.
[42:33] » Do you want to do it without a full
board?
[42:37] » That was the only That was the only
concern I had.
[42:42] » I I have no issue with postponing. I
just That's fine.
[42:49] » Okay.
>> It's It's It's up to you guys. It's your
[42:53] It's It's your call. I have
>> No, I I I think we should have a full
[42:56] board. I
>> I believe so, too. I Let's do that.
[43:01] » Let's just do the full board and do it
on 92.
[43:03] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[43:05] » Uh we have uh for 92 we had uh Joyy's
replacement discussion.
[43:15] » You want that back on there?
>> Yes.
[43:18] » I have no I have no reason to change it.
>> Me neither.
[43:24] » New business.
>> Um
[43:26] » I don't think we discussed this before.
Okay. So, this is new.
[43:29] » Yeah. If there's room, Kevin, the secure
vestibule, I do I do have a plan I can
[43:35] share with everyone.
>> Okay.
[43:38] » I know that old business.
[43:44] » How about uh
we had the department head job
[43:49] description discussion. Do you want that
[43:55] on there?
>> Yeah, we can include what you the
[43:58] information you gave and anybody else
has information they want to put into
[44:01] it, we can get it on the agenda.
[44:10] » Does anybody have anything else?
[44:21] » I don't have anything. Oh, just have a
question. When are we um when are we
[44:26] doing our budget discussions? They're
not they're not listed anywhere as a
[44:31] bullet item or a date. So, I just
[44:38] Yeah, we got we got to do we got to do
something soon. Um but I suggest that
[44:45] your next discussion on it just be
deciding the dates. So if you may I
[44:50] don't think it'll take you guys long on
September 2nd to just talk about when
[44:54] you want to have your meetings to
actually talk about it because you guys
[44:58] might need special meetings and better
to figure that out sooner than later.
[45:02] » So So the supervisor has to file the
tenative budget to the town clerk by
[45:06] September 30th.
Do you guys want to dis I'd rather
[45:10] discuss it with the board than me just
filing
[45:14] whatever I feel. Do you want it? Do you
want to work on it?
[45:18] » And Kevin, I I'll note that's a that's a
deadline for you if you want to file it
[45:22] sooner.
>> Yeah, we can file it. You can
[45:24] » Well, I can if you want I mean
[45:28] I haven't got
>> You want to put it on?
[45:30] » S September 30th.
>> September 30th is the deadline for the
[45:33] tenative budget to be filed with the
clerk's office.
[45:36] » I I'd like to have the discussion on the
16th then.
[45:39] » Perfect.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I can and hopefully I
[45:42] can have all everything to you guys
before on the agenda for the 16th, all
[45:47] the department heads information, all
the backup material.
[45:52] » That'll be my goal. So, so
>> let's do that.
[45:54] » All right. I as soon as I even if it's
before then so you can really go through
[45:58] it. But
>> I that was going to be my question. Do
[46:00] you think we could you'd have it
preliminary to us by the 16th? We hope.
[46:05] » I hope.
>> Okay, good enough.
[46:07] » I I haven't had a chance to
>> No, I know. I know. And we're in catch.
[46:11] I understand.
>> Okay.
[46:13] » All right. But so so 9:16 is the the
initial is the preliminary budget
[46:18] discussion.
>> Yes. Let's do 9:16.
[46:21] » Okay.
>> Do you want department heads here or do
[46:24] you just want to look at what we have
and work on it with is that that'll be a
[46:27] future that that's when we go to
preliminary. I believe
[46:30] » I I I think it's just discussion for me
and we can
[46:34] that's all I need. Y
>> okay.
[46:38] » All right. We can do that. Okay.
[46:42] Because we uh
Do you want the other deadlines or do
[46:46] you want
>> just
[46:49] Yeah. What are the other deadlines?
>> So
[46:56] says uh October 5th, town clerk presents
tenant budget to the town board.
[47:02] November 5th, last day to legal notice
of public hearing on the town budget.
[47:09] And November 10th, last day to hold
public hearing on preliminary budget.
[47:16] November 20th, we must adopt the budget,
the final budget.
[47:22] » Yeah, those are those are just the last
days.
[47:24] » Those are just the last days. Those are
the deadlines.
[47:26] » Um I had something I misunder I mis I
misheard you. The 105 was the tenative
[47:32] and then 11:15. So, so, so, so 9:30,
September 30th would be the last day for
[47:39] me or for this, it says supervisor,
whatever, to file with the clerk, the
[47:43] tenant of budget, and then the tenative
budget gets presented to the town board.
[47:49] It says 105, but I would assume it would
be our next meeting.
[47:56] » Okay.
And then it was 11:15 and then you went
[48:01] to 11:10. Did I misunderstand that? No,
it was 115.
[48:05] » 115
was the legal notice.
[48:07] » Last day for legal notice and then
>> and then 11
[48:14] » 10 is the last day to hold the public
hearing on the preliminary budget
[48:20] and then 11:20 we must adopt final date
to adopt the budget.
[48:25] » Okay, I got it. Thank you.
[48:30] All
[48:33] right. Anybody have anything else for
the future topics?
[48:39] » None.
[48:45] » All right. What would you
We have 15 minutes before we can have
[48:51] the public hearing.
[48:57] Is there any executive sessions we have
to do
[49:06] that I can not that I think of nothing
nothing that we can do in 13 minutes.
[49:12] » Okay.
[49:18] Well, we can take a recess for for 13
minutes until 6 p.m. We can't have the
[49:23] public hearing because it's advertised
for 6 PM. So, we'll have to take a
[49:26] recess until 6 p.m. and then we'll start
the public hearing. Okay. Thank you.
[50:38] And so
[52:15] disagree with you.
[52:42] Monday
[53:25] Oh, I don't I don't have it I don't have
it written down, but I can Hey, Adam.
[53:33] the uh the guest passwords
>> for the Wi-Fi.
[54:33] I'm horrible. I'm gonna do I'll do my
best at it.
[54:55] I don't think people understand.
[55:16] You know,
[55:50] I want to about
10 12
[56:17] » I don't
[56:42] Oh, perfect.
[58:12] best
[58:16] are going
[58:38] It's time for
[59:12] Why would you make it available?
[59:29] And then I'll bring
[1:00:05] No, I couldn't get enough.
[1:00:16] I don't mind shoes, but I don't like
high heels.
[1:00:35] I don't know.
[1:00:49] 565.
[1:01:14] No, I want to miss something.
[1:01:31] What?
>> I got
[1:01:34] » I got 57. Am I off?
[1:01:42] » Yeah, I have 57.
>> I don't want to start the world.
[1:01:49] Huh?
[1:01:52] » 51.
>> Mine says 58.
[1:01:54] » I'm at 58.
>> Oh, you're on. You said you're on the
[1:01:57] network.
>> Yeah, mine says 58.
[1:02:02] » It says 58 on my phone.
>> He's going to do an explanation to start
[1:02:09] how little history of this and why we're
here, what the val what it represents. I
[1:02:15] just think everyone's going to be frust
[1:02:21] using using little water.
>> Yeah.
[1:02:29] » Huh?
>> Musical.
[1:02:38] » That is what he wants.
>> My head.
[1:03:02] How are you?
[1:03:20] Let me have the post.
[1:03:54] Okay, it's 6:00 p. p.m. We're going to
start the uh public hearing. I'd like to
[1:03:58] welcome everybody for coming tonight. Uh
we're having a public hearing tonight uh
[1:04:03] for the 2027
assessment improvements for the
[1:04:07] consolidated sewage district. This is a
debt assessment.
[1:04:12] Um this project started back in 2017
2018 was beginning engineering on it. It
[1:04:20] it was uh required by EPA and the DEEC
to upgrade the sewage our sewage
[1:04:25] treatment plant and the way it's
delivered to the plant with the pump
[1:04:29] stations and the mains. Correct. Just
correct me on it. I'm just trying to
[1:04:33] fill everybody in why we're here
tonight.
[1:04:42] » So the the
[1:04:46] » Hold on a second. He's going to get a
microphone.
[1:04:54] We have to meet DEEC and EPA
requirements for our influ and our
[1:04:58] effluent uh especially the effluent
that's discharged into the Suscuana
[1:05:02] River Basin.
There's new guidelines out there.
[1:05:09] So the the project cost is $45,999
[1:05:16] $999,9998.
There was a $11 million grant that the
[1:05:22] town received and then a $5 million
grant that the town received.
[1:05:27] So the the portion that needs to be paid
back is $29,967,996
[1:05:36] and that is over a 30-year bond.
So over the next 30 years, we have to
[1:05:42] pay this back and it's it's spread out
between all
[1:05:47] everybody in the sewer district.
And to clarify, the sewer district's
[1:05:53] consolidated. Um I have seen some
letters that came in regarding the old
[1:05:57] sewer district numbers, but there is one
particular sewer district. Um and this
[1:06:04] has just anyone that has access to the
sewer is being assessed these .edu
[1:06:10] amounts whether you use them or not even
if it's a vacant parcel. So, the way the
[1:06:15] edus were developed were back in the 90s
and that's how um some of you have
[1:06:20] received response letters from the DPW
regarding the road frontage and how the
[1:06:26] edus were calculated. Um that can still
be assessed by town code 56-5K
[1:06:35] identifies how it's calculated for each
parcel. So, I know I I've received
[1:06:40] several letters identifying vacant
parcels or parcels that just aren't
[1:06:44] being used or parcels that don't have
any plumbing in them. As long as you
[1:06:50] have access to the sewer system, you are
being assessed that it's no different
[1:06:55] than, for example, I live on a state
road. I don't live on a town highway
[1:07:00] road, but I pay the town highway tax
because I have access to those town
[1:07:05] highway roads. It's essentially the same
thing. So, as long as there's sewer in
[1:07:10] front of your house, you will be
assessed an edu in accordance with
[1:07:13] 56-5K.
Just wanted to make that clarification.
[1:07:18] So, the 56-5K is the town of Shenango
code where the edu assessment was
[1:07:25] applied to each property.
Um, am I missing anything? Anybody else
[1:07:30] like to add?
[1:07:34] I did put copies of the town code over
by the agenda. I didn't put enough
[1:07:40] obviously, but there in that slot.
[1:07:48] » And just so everyone understands, the
edu assessment is different than your
[1:07:52] use. Your use is a separate charge and
that is based use. This has nothing to
[1:07:57] do with how much water you use. It's
it's the it's the paying back the cost
[1:08:04] to upgrade our community system. The way
these edus could potentially go down is
[1:08:10] more users, people get on the system or
useful,
[1:08:15] you know, development of some sort. We
can take more capacity. What that
[1:08:20] capacity will be will be depending on
what users are available or or how much
[1:08:25] a new user would be using. So, you know,
we are going to be getting to I think a
[1:08:32] fairly signific significant cost to the
edus and it is my hope is that as we go
[1:08:37] through our comprehensive plan and the
town develops more that those .eduus he
[1:08:41] used will come down over the next
hopefully sooner than later over the
[1:08:46] course of the term of the bond which
again Kevin pointed out is 30 years
[1:08:52] » which brings us to 206
206.
[1:09:00] » All right. So we're going to open the
public hearing. You have five minutes to
[1:09:03] speak.
Uh so we'll read the little blurp here.
[1:09:08] Hold on.
Guest shall speak in an orderly fashion
[1:09:11] or limited remarks of five time minutes
or less. The speaker shall deliver their
[1:09:15] comments or concerns in a civil tone
without the use of profanity, personal
[1:09:18] attacks, or other disruptive behavior
which may result in the offender's
[1:09:20] removal from the meeting. The speaker
shall not be interrupted except in a
[1:09:23] matter of urgency. We just ask anybody
if you'd like to speak, please come up
[1:09:27] to the microphone. Either one here, just
so it's recorded and the people at home
[1:09:32] cannot hear you if you don't speak into
the microphone.
[1:09:35] So, if anybody'd like to speak, we're
open right now. Come on up.
[1:09:44] » I live in Shenango Bridge and I am
blessed with having one of those
[1:09:49] monstrosities within 20 paces of my
door.
[1:09:55] And I was thinking, should I be
compensated?
[1:10:00] Should my neighbors
75 ft from my house be compensated
[1:10:05] because it's so close? But I'm the lucky
one
[1:10:10] and it's that close to my house and I
have no idea why I should be paying an
[1:10:17] additional tax
for anything.
[1:10:22] I've had that thing, the old one.
that bell used to go off at 1 in the
[1:10:26] morning.
My wife used to go, "What if we'd have
[1:10:31] to call an 800 number
and now we have this and now you're
[1:10:36] asking for money?"
I don't think that's fair. And I think
[1:10:40] the other people that are that close to
one of those things should also be
[1:10:45] compensated. And if it meant no tax like
this, I think that would be a pretty
[1:10:50] simple idea.
Anyways, that's what I got.
[1:10:56] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:11:01] We they don't have to give their name
and address unless they unless they have
[1:11:04] a complaint about their edu. You can
give your name and address and we can
[1:11:07] work with you to look at it. But if you
if you'd like to speak, go ahead.
[1:11:11] » Evening. Uh would you be able to repeat
to me why we got the upgrade?
[1:11:18] » I can't speak on that. Engineer or the
head of department of public works can
[1:11:23] speak on it.
[1:11:30] We are subject to the regulations under
the Susuana River Basin Commission. They
[1:11:34] changed their uh phosphorus and nitrogen
criteria several years ago. So, we knew
[1:11:42] uh we knew we would have to upgrade our
plant to those new criteria. It's part
[1:11:46] of EPA mandates, river basin mandates.
The DEC administers some of that as
[1:11:50] well. So, we're just working to comply
with those mandates. Uh we're a roughly
[1:11:54] an 850,000galon facility. Had to upgrade
to a little over 1 million. Uh we also
[1:12:00] have two other plants, the Pen View
plant, Shango Heights plants. Those are
[1:12:04] being decommissioned to help out cost of
eliminating operating costs at two other
[1:12:07] facilities that are past their lives. Uh
we're bringing those flows to the
[1:12:12] Northgate plants. We have just one
facility to maintain one permit with
[1:12:15] with all those agencies and it will now
comply with those those new effluent
[1:12:20] limits. Um, so it was uh I guess what we
usually say is it was an unfunded
[1:12:26] mandate for the upgrades. Um,
>> the EPA, DEC, their federal agencies,
[1:12:31] correct?
>> Correct.
[1:12:33] » You mentioned that you received several
grants earlier. Did you get them from
[1:12:36] federal government?
>> What was available is money through EFC
[1:12:41] through the state?
>> Okay. Did your comprehensive plan noted
[1:12:44] earlier federal government to alleviate
some of the strain on us? Uh federal
[1:12:51] generally does not have that option,
>> but they mandate you to do it.
[1:12:56] » Correct.
>> So there's no relief from the federal
[1:12:59] government. No one asked any questions.
They just
[1:13:01] » relief's only been through the state
thus far.
[1:13:06] » Okay. And perhaps you could give us a
breakdown what we're seeing on our tax
[1:13:11] bill versus what we're getting.
[1:13:17] » So So those are two
two totally separate things.
[1:13:20] » That's correct.
>> What you're getting charged quarterly is
[1:13:22] for the usage of the system and what
you're getting charged is the debt
[1:13:28] assessment for the debt that we have to
pay. So if we owe next year $1,351,9680
[1:13:38] that's principal and interest that is
divided up among all the edus that are
[1:13:43] determined in the sewer district to come
out with the amount.
[1:13:48] And that's and that's how the edu amount
is determined. So it's spread out.
[1:13:52] » Now suppose
300 people leave hypothetically speaking
[1:14:00] bridgebody
[1:14:04] go up.
>> Well, how you're talking houses get
[1:14:07] destroyed, removed people leave because
they can't afford to live here.
[1:14:11] » The house is still there. The house is
still has to pay that that property has
[1:14:15] to pay that debt assessment.
or else it goes up tax
[1:14:20] » and somebody has to pay that debt
assessment.
[1:14:25] » So
>> an empty house is going to pay that.
[1:14:29] » Okay, property taxes are always due. So
that'll be part of the property tax. So
[1:14:34] regardless of whether you live there or
whether you're using the property, the
[1:14:37] property owner, someone has to pay the
property tax or it goes to foreclosure.
[1:14:41] That is you're you're exactly right. So,
if you're going to pay your property
[1:14:45] tax, that'll be included. Your .edu will
be included in there. If you decide to
[1:14:50] pay partial tax, I'm not sure the county
actually accepts partial, but not to get
[1:14:54] into that discussion because there's a
lot of folks that want to speak here
[1:14:56] tonight.
>> That's correct, sir. But, but people
[1:14:58] that don't reside in houses don't pay
property tax.
[1:15:00] » We're not going to get into Right.
Exactly. But the property owner will
[1:15:04] » If they want to speak, I want people
have the opportunity to speak.
[1:15:07] » Yeah.
>> Okay. And that's okay. But the property
[1:15:12] owners, guys, the property owners are
going to pay the tax or they're going to
[1:15:15] lose the property
>> regardless whether it's an edu or
[1:15:18] whether
>> that cost is what I'm asking.
[1:15:21] » Who who what
>> who recoups the cost from the lost
[1:15:24] revenue from people that are leaving
their
[1:15:26] » who don't pay the property tax. It'll go
to t it'll go to tax sale
[1:15:29] » and then we'll we'll get something back
from a tax sale. The taxes will be
[1:15:33] satisfied when the property is resold.
>> If it's resold,
[1:15:36] » it'll probably we like our chances with
the property being resold. If it's not,
[1:15:41] hypothetically, yes, it does get
reassessed. But
[1:15:45] » one last question, is there any way that
we can perhaps look into
[1:15:50] federal grants to assist us with this?
Have you gentlemen done this?
[1:15:54] » So, this started back in 2017. I wasn't
even
[1:15:59] anywhere near this place. So, I I this
this was all decided a long time ago.
[1:16:06] So, I I'm sorry about that. I have to
pay it, too. I I'm not happy about it,
[1:16:10] but there's nothing that
>> the debt is due. It has to be paid.
[1:16:14] » Last question.
By a show of hands, how many people are
[1:16:20] res?
[1:16:24] » Yeah, you have to.
>> Okay. And I apologize. I apologize for
[1:16:27] being brash. I spoke to a gentleman that
was in the water department with
[1:16:33] this about two months ago.
Well, an employee an employee that was
[1:16:39] out. Oh, yeah.
>> Yes. They they don't have to be
[1:16:42] residents of the town.
>> That's irrelevant. I apologize for that.
[1:16:45] But thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:16:48] » Board, can I clarify my federal grant
answer?
[1:16:51] » Yes.
>> So, he'd like to clarify his federal
[1:16:53] grant answer.
>> Just so everyone's aware on the on the
[1:16:55] federal side, there are federal funds
available, but some are based on the
[1:16:59] income level of the town and other
pieces. The funding that we were able to
[1:17:04] pursue does have some federal
allocations behind it. EFC does get
[1:17:08] federal allocations behind them. Also,
some of the grants are subsidized by the
[1:17:12] federal government to keep the interest
rates lower. So, a max interest rate
[1:17:17] level. You get a lower one that's
potentially has some federal allocation
[1:17:21] behind it. So, our our engineering firm
that work for us on this also has
[1:17:25] pursued the grants and it stays on top
of that grant pursuit for us. But for
[1:17:29] clarification, Alex, for my own
clarification, when you say federal
[1:17:32] allocation, that allocation was
delivered to the state and administered
[1:17:35] by the state.
>> Correct. What what we is state
[1:17:41] administered with federal dollars behind
some of it.
[1:17:46] » Go ahead.
>> All right. So, we got two grants from
[1:17:51] the state, correct?
>> That is correct. We got a
[1:17:55] » All right.
There's no other ones that we can get
[1:17:58] from the state.
>> This the grants would had been received
[1:18:01] prior to the project.
>> Sorry.
[1:18:04] » And with the federal what is our percent
>> with
[1:18:09] » excuse me
>> we're paying an interest
[1:18:12] rate
>> the interest rate with rate with the
[1:18:15] bond.
>> Yeah.
[1:18:16] » It it fluctuates. Uh this next year
we'll be paying 2.591%.
[1:18:23] » Okay. Um, is it too late to apply or
lobby for federal assistance on that?
[1:18:32] » I
I would I believe so, but I can't I'm
[1:18:36] not going to answer.
>> I mean, you can always ask,
[1:18:39] » right? It's just a question of whether
the federal government would find it in
[1:18:42] their heart of hearts to throw money at
a democratic controlled state right now
[1:18:47] for a project that has already been
built, already been financed, and it's
[1:18:51] turning over to long-term financing, you
know, within a very short period of
[1:18:55] time.
>> So, when will this process start the um
[1:19:00] upgrading?
>> It's it's it's almost done.
[1:19:04] » Okay.
>> And and you and you were already charged
[1:19:06] last year for the first part payment. So
in your taxes last year, you paid the
[1:19:12] first payment. So this is this this we
have to do a public notice every year to
[1:19:18] to to let you know the amount
>> that shows up under the
[1:19:24] » one.
>> One at a time when you when you we can
[1:19:29] » you're welcome.
[1:19:33] Does that show up under the cons on your
tax
[1:19:37] » under the sewer debt? Sewer bond
>> consolidates. So cons means consolidate.
[1:19:43] So it's consolidated sewer debt
>> and that's different from the bonds.
[1:19:47] » So the consolidated So the one that
showed up there's there was two on
[1:19:50] there. The reason there was a debt on
there was because we are in short-term
[1:19:54] financing,
which means we have to only collect
[1:19:57] money to pay interest on the money we
were using at the time. And then when it
[1:20:03] gets transferred to a long-term bond,
then you have to pay the full amount,
[1:20:07] principal and interest. So that will be
removed. The the the smaller one will be
[1:20:13] removed off the tax bills this year. So
you won't have that one. And then and
[1:20:18] then as far as the usage,
so that's a totally different increase.
[1:20:24] » And is that correct?
>> So your usage when you get your
[1:20:28] quarterly pay when you go to get your
quarterly billing payment that's totally
[1:20:31] different than for what you're paying
here.
[1:20:34] » So is this is this meeting have anything
to do with why is the why has the usage
[1:20:39] gone up also?
>> That would be operating cost. That would
[1:20:43] be Greg can speak. Greg is head of the
the water sewer department of public
[1:20:47] works.
>> Electric costs go up, postage goes up,
[1:20:52] chemical cost goes up, uh operation
cost, salary.
[1:21:08] I shut that one off. Get rid of that
one.
[1:21:13] » Give them the other one.
[1:21:19] Sorry, sorry.
>> So that's okay. I So there is there's no
[1:21:26] uh time frame. Does that go up over the
same amount over a certain time? You
[1:21:30] know, like it's it went up and then it
went up quickly again. It was the same
[1:21:34] for that's just because of the economy.
If if once we do our budgets and if what
[1:21:42] we charge today doesn't cover the cost
for tomorrow, then we will have an
[1:21:47] increase. But until we know what our
budgets are going to be for next year,
[1:21:52] we don't do an increase right now. We've
in we we've charged for the year's worth
[1:21:57] of uh budgeting in your rates.
[1:22:09] Hi. Sorry I I just missed the first 10
minutes of everything, but I want to let
[1:22:15] you know I got a letter in the mail. I
just bought property up on Warner Road.
[1:22:20] I have a well there. I'm going to when
my house gets built here within the
[1:22:26] month, um I going to hook the line into
the septic. So therefore, I
[1:22:35] I'm going to be paying this extra money.
When does this take effect?
[1:22:43] » So,
you won't you won't be charged this year
[1:22:47] until you
>> So, it's it's a what was said earlier,
[1:22:50] right? The question would be is is she
on the sewer line or not?
[1:22:54] » N. Yeah, but I will be once my house
>> Well, it's not a question of whether
[1:22:58] your house is actually connected to the
sewer or your property is connected to
[1:23:01] the sewer. just whether the sewer goes
by your property. And so, because there
[1:23:06] are there are properties in the town who
chose not to connect to the sewer for
[1:23:09] whatever reason or chose not to connect
to the water system for whatever reason.
[1:23:13] Maybe they just got their septic
installed and didn't want to connect.
[1:23:16] » So, but you I guess it's a good
question. If you would give us your name
[1:23:19] and address, we can look it up and
confirm that you are actually on the
[1:23:23] line because if you're on the line, then
you should be getting charged the .edu.
[1:23:27] But if for some reason, people aren't
perfect. If for some reason your
[1:23:31] property got included in this district's
benefit assessment and it shouldn't have
[1:23:35] been, then we want to be aware of that
to take it off.
[1:23:39] » Okay.
>> What's your name and address?
[1:23:42] » It It's Deborah D E B O R H Lynch at 13
Warner Street.
[1:23:53] L Y N C H.
[1:24:02] » Okay, they can look that up. Yep.
>> Okay,
[1:24:05] » we're gonna let other people speak while
they're looking that up for you. Okay,
[1:24:08] you're welcome.
[1:24:13] » My name is Lyn Lucker. I live at 16
Brook A. I just wanted to go back to the
[1:24:18] math a minute because I'm kind of not
understanding. I think I might have just
[1:24:23] heard number one. I I mean I have my tax
bill right here. So I've got the sewer
[1:24:28] debt and the sewer bond. The sewer debt
is I think what you meant by the smaller
[1:24:34] one and that's the one that is going to
not appear on my 2027 bill. Yes. Is that
[1:24:41] correct?
>> Okay.
[1:24:42] » So this year the I have 32384. I think
it was the highest I looked at them all
[1:24:50] in tax net lookup or whatever it was.
Um, and I understand that's the bond. So
[1:24:56] that's 30 years. I don't understand this
new one. I I got to say I the questions
[1:25:01] that were raised by in my mind with this
letter
[1:25:07] and I say this respectfully. I don't
know who wrote it, but I don't think it
[1:25:11] was composed very
well from your standpoint. It didn't
[1:25:17] explain a lot and it probably caused a
lot of angst that didn't need to be
[1:25:22] there. And one thing I still don't
understand is is the new .edu charge a
[1:25:30] one-time charge on the 2027 tax or is it
30 years again?
[1:25:38] » So, so the charge from 2026 is going to
be replaced with the charge for 2027.
[1:25:45] So, it's you're only going to get one,
but it's going to happen each year for
[1:25:49] 30 years. And the exact amount is going
to change actually every single year
[1:25:53] because the debt payments are not level.
They go up and down a little bit every
[1:25:58] year. So, like last year, the total
amount collected was like 1.1 million.
[1:26:03] This in 2027, it's 1.3 million. So, we
the edu value is going up slightly.
[1:26:09] » Okay. So that is very key to me and I I
hope if anybody else picks it up because
[1:26:14] that means instead of me having 323
plus 264
[1:26:20] » Oh no.
>> which made my head explode and I
[1:26:23] understand 33 is going away and being
replaced by 264.
[1:26:28] » Well, it's 264 and ED. It's a 264 and
edu,
[1:26:32] » right?
>> So you need to know how many are your
[1:26:35] property.
>> Okay. per and it does say per
[1:26:38] » per edu and you should have the number
>> will be a little higher because I'm a
[1:26:42] one one
>> and that's why you were three something
[1:26:44] last year
>> so this year you'll be that 264
[1:26:49] » so let me just make sure you answered my
questions I think you did
[1:26:53] » and and edus can change the amount of
edus that that divide into the payment
[1:26:58] that we have to make also fluctuates
>> the edu
[1:27:09] 4,000 whatever we get can change which
can also change that amount per EDU.
[1:27:14] » I understand that. Okay.
>> Okay. So, I just feel like I have to
[1:27:18] throw out there that the change in my
taxes from 25 to 26 was 40% of the for
[1:27:26] the town. That's a big jump. And if I
did my math right,
[1:27:34] my if with this new Well, of course, now
I didn't know mine might go down a
[1:27:39] little bit. I don't know how that
quarter I'd have to do more math real
[1:27:42] quick, but I'm potentially looking at my
taxes doubling in two years. So, oh, the
[1:27:48] other question I had about this whole
thing is you said this project is almost
[1:27:54] done.
Right at the end of Quinn Estates, there
[1:27:58] used to be what I believe was a sewage
treatment plant, right? And it's gone.
[1:28:02] They took it down, which I love. It's
much nicer looking there. Is that part
[1:28:07] of this project, the removal of that?
>> Yes.
[1:28:12] » Okay. Is there any other big project
like this looming on the horizon that we
[1:28:19] should be prepared for?
>> That that is a very fair question. Very
[1:28:25] fair.
>> Very absolutely fair. There is a water
[1:28:28] upgrade
for contaminants in the water system
[1:28:32] that is being researched now being
engineered and looked at by the town
[1:28:36] board. Now
>> that would hit our
[1:28:39] » This is all public knowledge. So I would
advise everybody to stay very informed
[1:28:44] with the town and come to come to
meetings. This new thing that we're
[1:28:47] putting out there, text my gov.
>> If we have public hearings, it'll be
[1:28:51] shot out on there. You'll get it to your
phone. you'll know what the public
[1:28:54] hearing is.
>> Might be the first one
[1:28:57] » other than employees. All right.
>> No, and that's the reason why we're
[1:29:02] doing this is is but the the water thing
is is in engineering studies right now.
[1:29:07] It's not has not been approved to do to
go forward. So,
[1:29:12] » thank you.
>> Okay. You're welcome.
[1:29:18] » So, good evening. My name is Adam. Um, I
live in the Frederick Road, uh, Kings
[1:29:23] Row, South Frederick Road, uh, area. And
I guess first and foremost, um, I I we
[1:29:31] all know that we, you know, we have to
help fund these, you know, as as
[1:29:36] homeowners. I've lived in the town of
Sheno since 2007.
[1:29:40] Um, so I I chose the town of Sheno for a
reason. Um
[1:29:46] there's a lot of other places I could
have chose, but I chose here and I' I've
[1:29:49] lived here and I've remained here for a
reason. I think one concern um that I
[1:29:54] have is again, we all like to flush our
toilets. We know we have to to help fund
[1:30:01] the ability to flush our toilets and
have it be safe. We all like clean
[1:30:04] water. We know we're going to have to
help with the with the water um issue.
[1:30:09] My concern is over the last couple of
years um I've noticed a steady decline
[1:30:14] Uh we've been through two or three town
supervisors in the last year. Um I we
[1:30:19] have drainage issues on my street um
that haven't been addressed. We you know
[1:30:25] my street was one of the only streets uh
in the entire neighborhood that wasn't
[1:30:30] repaved this last year. Um so I guess
I'm just trying to find out you know if
[1:30:36] I I don't have a problem funding things.
I don't have a problem with a little bit
[1:30:40] extra tax as long as I'm seeing the
benefits and I'm seeing the, you know,
[1:30:44] we're reaping the benefits as homeowners
and as, you know, we're raising our
[1:30:49] families here. Um, but when I see my
street overlooked for certain projects
[1:30:54] or when I see, you know, this last year
we had a water emergency and I spent
[1:30:58] over $100 in bottled water. Um, several
hundred dollar actually in bottled
[1:31:02] water. I have a family of six. um first
time that I know that we've had a water
[1:31:07] emergency. Um so I guess my my mine is
more of a statement more than a question
[1:31:13] which is just I'm concerned as a
homeowner that have been here almost 20
[1:31:17] years and I'm starting to see a trickle
of a decline um of the of the services
[1:31:23] here. Um and so we're being asked to pay
more money for less service that I'm
[1:31:29] seeing. Um there are very good qualities
of the town. I'm not I'm not certainly
[1:31:33] not here to dog the town. I still um
enjoy living here. There are a lot of um
[1:31:39] you know, beautiful parks. There are,
you know, nice services the town. I like
[1:31:43] the town cleanup days. I love that. But
those are some of the things that I
[1:31:47] think the town can continue to do and
maybe improve upon to make it friendly
[1:31:52] to uh raise your family and to continue
owning a home here and to not have as
[1:31:57] much heartburn when we're asked to pay a
little bit more for service. So that's
[1:32:01] my comment.
>> Thank you.
[1:32:18] » I just have a quick question.
Um,
[1:32:22] going back to the the the edus and all
that stuff, there's like five trailer
[1:32:28] parks in this town. How do you figure
what they pay?
[1:32:34] » They're not all on
>> They're not all on sewer,
[1:32:38] » but if they are I mean some of them must
be.
[1:32:40] » It would be it would be one edu per
mobile.
[1:32:43] » I I believe it's in the code.
>> Yeah.
[1:32:45] » Okay. So So it is a per person even
>> per dwelling unit.
[1:32:49] » Okay.
[1:32:53] » Yeah, absolutely. That's Yeah, that's
>> Well, then come up and speak.
[1:33:02] Castle Creek Road, but I also run the
Castle Creek mobile home park. Uh, does
[1:33:07] anyone here live in a mobile home? No.
Mobile home. So, I'm going to correct
[1:33:13] you on EDU. You mentioned EDUs nothing
to do with usage. Unfortunately, you're
[1:33:18] wrong because an EDU
dwelling unit is a standard measure used
[1:33:23] by utility companies to calculate water
or sewer use based on a single family
[1:33:28] home.
So which makes sense. I mean I got this
[1:33:32] education 10 years ago in the town of
Irwin. I ran a park there and they
[1:33:36] brought in city water and sewer to the
park. And we sat down first they
[1:33:42] notified me and said the average single
family home does 300 gallons of water.
[1:33:48] Mobile homes use less. And we showed
them the meter bills. 90 gallons per
[1:33:54] home. These are mobile homes. Most of
them are two bedroom one.
[1:33:59] They don't have outside
complaints outside homes don't come with
[1:34:06] we don't allow people to brush their
cars. Uh it's totally different use
[1:34:11] single family home. So your question
over
[1:34:18] because
believe me I know it's going water sewer
[1:34:23] Greg knows I'm the kind of guy I'm under
three mobile homes every day
[1:34:30] because mobile homes water
[1:34:39] the plastic lines
but
[1:34:43] tell you
[1:34:52] and I'm in the trench.
So you know I'm up here because
[1:35:06] home stats meter everything
that's too
[1:35:19] but when I meter 60 homes I had to buy
my meters all my own
[1:35:25] small
All the lines in the streets, all the
[1:35:29] streets in there
[1:35:34] just like everyone else in the room has
one connection in the street. So that's
[1:35:39] why I'm here
[1:35:49] 20 compar
[1:36:05] wasn't one for one more
[1:36:10] Oh, you're fine.
>> You're fine.
[1:36:19] » Thank you.
[1:36:24] » Great. Um, I was in here for years about
the road frontage requirements in the
[1:36:30] town of Schnangle. It's very hard to
build a house in the town of Schnagle
[1:36:34] with 310 ft requirement for road
frontage. It took my dad and I probably
[1:36:39] four years almost coming into this
meetings and zoning boards trying to get
[1:36:45] uh because we have no road frontage, gas
stations 100 ft. We want to lower this
[1:36:51] to get more people in the town of Schne
right now. There there's plenty of land
[1:36:55] to be building houses in here, but it's
not easy because of our road front
[1:37:00] requirements.
Address those immediately. I just wanted
[1:37:04] to get this on the minutes because I've
been in here on the minutes since 2021
[1:37:08] preaching this. So, you want more people
in the town. Make it easier for me to
[1:37:13] come into the town. I brought it up to
you a lot, Jean, in here. A lot. So,
[1:37:19] that's my two cents. Get more people in
the town, this will go down.
[1:37:24] It's a good slope, too.
>> Thank you.
[1:37:41] » Hi, my name is Dale Ball. I live on
Cherry Lane. Uh, got a couple questions.
[1:37:46] Can the can the can the charge increase
for any reason other than interest rate
[1:37:52] change?
>> It can increase for the .edu amount.
[1:37:58] If the .edu amount goes down, then that
debt has to be spread out over less
[1:38:06] EDUs. So the your amount could your
amount could go up.
[1:38:11] » So So as as an example, let's let's say
there's a commercial building
[1:38:16] um which they're they receive edus in
part based on their water consumption.
[1:38:21] Um and if it burns down and it's
demolished and it becomes a vacant lot.
[1:38:27] Let's say one of the car washes which
are receiving the highest edus in the
[1:38:30] town at over like a 100 edus. Let's say
one of those burns down and now it's a
[1:38:36] vacant lot. That'll get one edu. So the
99 edus are poof gone, right? which
[1:38:42] means the value that those people were
paying is going to be spread around
[1:38:45] everyone else in the town and that is a
way in which the value or the cost of
[1:38:50] the edu will go up.
>> So my my number of edus I have two
[1:38:54] parcels.
>> I have the one my house sits on and I
[1:38:58] have a completely unbuildable sideyard
being charged for. So on the top my
[1:39:04] letter it says one and one the two
levels. So the number doesn't change.
[1:39:10] It's just the cost per ED per the
multiplier
[1:39:14] » in your case. So, and this is what the
assessor has been advising people
[1:39:17] because for some reason there's a lot of
lots in the in the town where people own
[1:39:21] a a small property immediately adjacent
to them. Combine your lots because then
[1:39:26] it'll be one parcel and it'll receive
one .edu.
[1:39:29] » Yeah, that's my that's my next question.
U is that something I do with you guys
[1:39:34] » through the assessor's office?
>> Who who hears from the assessor's
[1:39:38] office?
That's a legal,
[1:39:42] » right?
>> Yes.
[1:39:46] » So, if I combine the two lots into one
lot,
[1:39:51] » that eliminates one of the builds.
>> Yeah. And Alex, Alex had a good point.
[1:39:56] It'll end up being one point probably
1.25 because part of this is based on
[1:40:00] your amount of road frontage. It's a
complicated formula, you know,
[1:40:05] unfortunately, but it caps out for
>> that. That's why I said go to the
[1:40:08] assessor's office because she could
explain it to you.
[1:40:11] » Okay. She she explained to you what what
your front edi
[1:40:17] what it would what what how it would
change your assessment.
[1:40:19] » So, just out of curiosity, I'm not
trying to be difficult, but if it is if
[1:40:25] it's only frontage,
[1:40:29] well, that makes no sense at all because
one house and you have a th00and foot of
[1:40:33] frontage
your utilization is exactly the same as
[1:40:37] if I have 300 foot of frontage in one
house. So what does the frontage have to
[1:40:42] do with the cost other than the the
amount of pipe
[1:40:47] » when they buy the house?
>> The the the theory
[1:40:50] or the the reasoning behind that is
because a person with in your example a
[1:40:54] thousand feet of frontage has more
potentially buildable lots than a person
[1:40:58] who has only 80 feet of frontage which
is you know the the one that'll just get
[1:41:03] you the one. So I I've got another
client who actually their code does
[1:41:08] specifically say it it you know in your
example of like let's say it's a
[1:41:13] thousand foot of road frontage they
actually do divide it up and charge
[1:41:17] based on the actual buildable lots in
Sheneno they cap it for residential
[1:41:22] properties at 1.25
[1:41:26] deal. So whether your your property
would be 200 feet or a thousand feet
[1:41:30] it's still going to be 1.25 25 because
you're you're over the 80t and there's a
[1:41:34] formula that if it was like 83 feet it
would be less but it caps out for
[1:41:39] residential dwellings at 1.25.
So when you combine yours today in this
[1:41:47] particular case, you'll reduce your .edu
by 75 your total because right now
[1:41:52] you're being charged two.
>> And I'm just where do I find I mean I'm
[1:41:56] sure it's a booklet this thick
>> and I deal with school districts so I'm
[1:42:00] used to stupid stuff but
sorry it's the truth.
[1:42:06] » I think we just caught astray.
>> Is is
[1:42:10] I didn't get to you. So, is there some
place I can go and look at the math?
[1:42:15] Because I'm just weird that way.
>> Look at the map for the map.
[1:42:19] » The assessment map or the or
>> He wants to see the map.
[1:42:22] » Oh, the ma. The math. I thought you said
math. I'm sorry.
[1:42:25] » Yeah.
>> So,
[1:42:28] » yeah. So, it's town code section 56-5K.
>> Okay.
[1:42:32] » Provides the formula,
>> right? And then Greg's office, it did
[1:42:37] the linear frontage calculations for
every parcel.
[1:42:43] And you know, again, people aren't going
to be perfect. So they're if somebody's
[1:42:46] like, you I'm actually one foot less.
That's something that the town board
[1:42:51] should know and we can send Greg out and
have him roll it or something to confirm
[1:42:55] that the frontage calculation.
>> So it's as simple as just plugging my
[1:42:58] frontage into this formula and outfits
the Okay. All right. I can I can figure
[1:43:03] that out. Um
Oh, I got that one. Um you mentioned a
[1:43:09] water project which made my ears perk
up. Um do you have an estimate currently
[1:43:14] on
because we I we got that that that
[1:43:18] letter very unclear letter um about
potential possibly lead but no one would
[1:43:25] tell us where. I couldn't figure out
whether my house had lead
[1:43:30] » and that's a separate that's a separate
thing on sampling that Greg can explain
[1:43:34] on that.
>> But what I'm curious about is do we have
[1:43:36] a potential estimate on what this water
project's going to cost?
[1:43:39] » There are estimates out there. They keep
being adjusted based on the scope of
[1:43:43] work. So we don't have anything firm
yet, but as it comes in, we'll discuss
[1:43:47] it. But nothing's been approved.
Engineering is strictly looking at the
[1:43:51] scope and what's available a in grants
and the cost.
[1:43:54] » Okay.
[1:43:59] Think you got them all.
>> Thank you.
[1:44:07] » Anyone else? Oh, yeah.
>> There are copies of the formulas that we
[1:44:12] do use over there where the other the
agendas are. It looks like this and it
[1:44:18] explains how I calculate it's now there.
Well, there's 20 and if anybody wants
[1:44:22] one, we can make a copy.
But uh this is how we calculated the
[1:44:26] edus by what the town code reads today.
[1:44:34] » Yep. Yep. Absolutely. It's it's on our
website if you go to the code the town
[1:44:38] code in the ordinance department.
[1:44:43] » Go ahead sir. Robert Citri 25 Bishop
Road
[1:44:50] and in this community for over 45 years
>> and how long ago anybody else been
[1:45:00] » 63.
>> What's the question?
[1:45:03] » So you must have grew up here.
>> I've been 54 years here. I could add
[1:45:07] more years to that. I could add another
20.
[1:45:13] Uh, I'm just show my ignorance here.
What is an .edu and how does that affect
[1:45:21] our bill?
[1:45:26] » So, an EDU is an acronym. It stands for
equivalent dwelling unit.
[1:45:32] » Uh, I'm sorry, I'm using the microphone.
I'm not if you want to come closer. I
[1:45:38] because I I'm using the mic. maybe get
closer to a speaker to your right
[1:45:43] to your right.
So an EDU is an acronym. It stands for
[1:45:48] equivalent dwelling unit. It is a means
of assigning in this case sewer debt
[1:45:55] aortionment to all of the benefited
parcels within the town sewer district.
[1:46:00] Um and it's meant to assess the benefit
of the sewer system as it was explained
[1:46:06] by Mr. Simonus earlier this evening.
It's not based on usage. Everybody who
[1:46:11] fronts on the sewer line should be
paying into the edus. Um and when it
[1:46:18] comes to dwelling units, it literally
means that. So a single family is
[1:46:23] charged one, a two family's charged two,
a 69 unit mobile home park is charged
[1:46:30] 69. And then commercial properties which
obviously don't have dwellings in them,
[1:46:36] there's a formula to assign them edus as
well. It's all meant to, as Kevin
[1:46:42] explained earlier, look at the amount of
debt that has to be paid, add up all the
[1:46:47] edus, divide it in, there's your number
per edu, and then add it to the tax
[1:46:52] bill.
[1:47:02] Many haven't been in here for in this
town for very long time. When uh they
[1:47:11] built the sewage treatment plant,
which this all has come down to,
[1:47:20] it was woefully under undersized.
And
[1:47:26] so now now we're having to pay for it.
[1:47:32] One of the letters that I got
is a vacant lot.
[1:47:42] There's no sewage. There's no water.
[1:47:48] Matter of fact, for my own property,
the town of Snagel will not give me
[1:47:53] water.
[1:47:58] That was
Mr. Walls,
[1:48:02] Jerry Kelly
made sure that that happened.
[1:48:17] Shame that something happened way back
then.
[1:48:25] And because the town has a
essentially hasn't grown at all
[1:48:32] over all those years. It's the same
businesses
[1:48:37] up and down. You know, the same ones are
flushing the toilet.
[1:48:43] There's no there's been essentially
no new construction
[1:48:50] in our area.
[1:48:55] So that system built back in the 70s
should be good enough
[1:49:02] for everybody. But we know it wasn't
because it was never designed never
[1:49:08] designed to be
[1:49:13] a workable system for what was existing
even at that time.
[1:49:21] So
I guess the only question I got is I got
[1:49:28] that vacant lot,
[1:49:33] no sewer, never received a bill.
[1:49:42] What's my obligation? So the the town
code spells out that there will be one
[1:49:48] edu assessed for a vacant lot if it is
within the sewer district. So that that
[1:49:54] is why you're receiving one edu for that
vacant lot. As mentioned earlier, if
[1:49:59] your vacant lot is next to your home
occupied lot or another lot, the
[1:50:04] recommendation is combine those two so
that you have one lot. But if it's a
[1:50:08] standalone vacant lot in the town and
it's within the district and it fronts
[1:50:12] on a sewer line, then you will receive
according to the town code an .edu.
[1:50:31] All
[1:50:42] right. Thank you.
[1:50:52] » We go go back a ways. You're talking
about the edus and you said something
[1:50:56] about the 1990s.
That's when
[1:51:01] the measurements were established or
whatever. Is that statewide?
[1:51:05] » This was every every municipality comes
up with their own formula as to how they
[1:51:11] choose to assess equivalent dwelling
units when they utilize a system like
[1:51:16] this for the repayment of debt. I
mentioned earlier I've got another town
[1:51:20] client that uses a very similar formula
except they look at the total acreage of
[1:51:24] a parcel and say how many buildable lots
and they charge you per buildable lot
[1:51:30] just limited and a cap on road frontage.
I I literally was in a conversation
[1:51:34] because one guy is getting eight units
even though he's got one house on it
[1:51:39] because he owns enough property that if
it was divided up it could fit eight
[1:51:44] buildable lots.
>> So who actually came up with it? who
[1:51:46] actually came up with
>> the law was adopted in 1993. So it was
[1:51:50] the town board in 1993 that
>> Wow.
[1:51:52] » established this formula.
>> So talking to to Greg um was talking
[1:51:58] about the car wash down in Front Street
that's going to pay me bucks.
[1:52:02] So what's to say they don't go out of
business because they can't afford it?
[1:52:06] And what's to say that other business
down in Front Street don't go out of
[1:52:09] business and we start looking really bad
because they can't afford whatever they
[1:52:13] can't I you guys can change that thing
in the 1990s, right?
[1:52:20] That's what you do.
>> We could, but the dollar amount is still
[1:52:25] the same. We could charge the trailer
parks more. We could charge businesses
[1:52:28] more. Um, at the time when this was
assessed, it it it was a fair way to do
[1:52:34] this. If that's a discussion going
forward,
[1:52:37] » this board could certainly take it up.
But the dollar amount that we owe as a
[1:52:41] community doesn't change. So just
because someone else is going to get a
[1:52:44] break, somebody else is going to pick
that up.
[1:52:46] » You compare I'm wondering back then in
the 1990s if when they were coming up
[1:52:51] with the way to do this, they were
comparing it to other municipalities in
[1:52:55] the state to see how they do it.
>> And it could it could have been I'm sure
[1:53:01] there was some
>> I can't speak to that.
[1:53:04] » You know, I wasn't here.
>> Now you got All I'm saying is I'm sure
[1:53:07] there was information information that
was put together because the discussion
[1:53:10] was probably pretty in-depth on how
fairly to do this. Right.
[1:53:14] » Right. Even when I look at it now, all
right. In some cases, it does seem to me
[1:53:19] personally a little unfair, but in other
cases,
[1:53:22] » I think some folks are getting a break.
>> Right. How else do you do it?
[1:53:24] » Right. So, how else would you do it?
>> Right. Exactly.
[1:53:26] » You know, to to try to be as even-handed
as possible, car washes pay the most.
[1:53:30] And you're right. If a car washer
leaves, we still owe that money to the
[1:53:34] bond. and it's got to get redistributed.
>> Well,
[1:53:38] bring something else into this. Yeah,
we've been to a few of the meetings. We
[1:53:42] were talking to the project management
company out of Rochester
[1:53:47] that we're trying to work with and we're
trying to get the survey and all this
[1:53:49] stuff.
You just added all this money to
[1:53:53] everybody's tax debt and yet you want to
try and get people to come in here and
[1:54:00] it's almost like a catch 22. I don't see
it working
[1:54:03] » and and it kind of is. And just to
clarify too that whether it's highway or
[1:54:07] department of public works, there are
individual budgets there where we only
[1:54:13] have one source to get the funding. So
what we've tried to do as a board and
[1:54:17] even previous boards,
>> if you really identified through your
[1:54:21] tax bill, you'll notice that the town
tax the town tax is very low and it
[1:54:27] hasn't moved since I've been on the
board. Not one penny. So although it's
[1:54:32] not a great consolation, it's something
because anything that we can do where we
[1:54:37] have general fund monies, the gentleman
mentioned earlier about the parks, done
[1:54:41] a lot of upgrades to the parks, trying
to pave that, change playgrounds and
[1:54:45] stuff for the kids. That is a completely
different bucket and I wish personally
[1:54:50] we could take some of that bucket and
offset these edus. I'm paying them too
[1:54:56] and they're and they're dramatic. I
don't disagree.
[1:54:58] » I don't know how you guys do it. I've
looked at your budget. It's just uh
[1:55:02] huge.
>> Right. So, and like I said, every
[1:55:05] individual if you if you look at the
budget, there are certain aspects of it.
[1:55:09] We can't like take money from the
general fund to offset Department of
[1:55:13] Public Works or offset highway has to
come from those specific places. And
[1:55:17] unfortunately, all of us in the sewer
district
[1:55:21] » are going to be burdened with this debt.
>> I'm just worried about the future
[1:55:25] because if you're talking water, I am
too. Is that going to add, you know,
[1:55:28] more to the tax burden again?
>> Potentially.
[1:55:31] » And we're paying a project management
company that hasn't done a thing that
[1:55:35] nothing.
>> The which I'm not sure which project
[1:55:39] manage the
>> project management company that they
[1:55:41] hired for the out of
>> Oh, Kers. Yeah. It's a It's a That's a
[1:55:45] completely different
>> It's a different thing.
[1:55:47] » It's a different It's a completely
different thing, right?
[1:55:50] » That's a completely different thing.
>> It is. It is, but it's still our debt.
[1:55:53] It's It's our debt.
>> That is not
[1:55:56] » No. No, no, no. I know that. But I'm
saying if it raises our taxes because we
[1:56:01] hired this company.
>> It doesn't. It does not.
[1:56:03] » See, I asked that question at the last
meeting and nobody ever got.
[1:56:08] » We're a little unorthodox here. It's
supposed to be a public hearing, not a
[1:56:11] question answer. But I understand.
[1:56:21] » I just got a a question. Uh if you have
a commercial
[1:56:27] And there's a corner lock
and there's no sewer line on one corner.
[1:56:35] You get charged just for the frontage
that has a sewer line.
[1:56:44] Commercial or residential. If you if you
are a corner lot, a you're charged on
[1:56:49] the shortest frontage. So if one's 100
and one's 80, you get charged on the 80.
[1:56:54] Um, if the sewer line only runs on the
one, you should only get charged for
[1:56:59] that uh frontage. So, if your right side
of your house doesn't have frontage and
[1:57:04] it's longer than the frontage that you
have sewer on, you'll still get charged
[1:57:08] that shorter of the two frontages.
>> Okay. Uh,
[1:57:16] we own the property on
141 Road and
[1:57:25] We put the sewer line in there with an
agreement with the town back in 98
[1:57:33] and agreement said they would be charged
4.66 66 units EDUs
[1:57:41] and the letter we got says 6.11
[1:57:50] and also for putting the the
sewer line in
[1:57:56] letter from David from Mr. Wall
attorney
[1:58:02] said uh
[1:58:12] The unit charge shall be 20% of the
total unit charge of all other users
[1:58:18] within the sewer district number two.
[1:58:25] » So I reviewed your letter and the
agreement that you sent. So um and the
[1:58:30] correspondence for Mr. Walls. The
agreement that you sent was unsigned. I
[1:58:34] looked back at the meeting minutes and
resolutions from 1998. I don't see that
[1:58:39] the town board ever approved an
agreement with you. And so if you have a
[1:58:43] signed copy of that agreement, please
send it to us. Or if you know when
[1:58:48] exactly the town board took action to
approve it, but otherwise there doesn't
[1:58:52] appear to be a record of the town
actually approving an agreement with you
[1:58:55] on that. There was correspondence, but I
don't see an approval by the town board
[1:58:59] on that.
[1:59:11] the the town board appears to have never
authorized that.
[1:59:17] So the the fact that you were charged
the 4.66 appears to have been incorrect
[1:59:21] when it was the prior debt service.
Again, if you have a signed copy of that
[1:59:27] agreement because what you sent was
unsigned,
[1:59:30] you know, please send it and we can look
in the town clerk's records, you know,
[1:59:35] more. But I I just didn't see anything
in the town board actions from 1998.
[1:59:48] » I I understand that, sir, but I just
don't see where the town board actually
[1:59:52] authorized what you're talking about.
[1:59:59] If you can provide us with any other
information that you have, we could
[2:00:03] still look into it.
[2:00:10] » I understand.
[2:00:15] Okay.
[2:00:24] My name is Katie Edwards, Ten Heights
Court. Um, I'd like to understand really
[2:00:28] where the origination for these the
pollution requirements came from. Um, I
[2:00:33] mean, I understand we want to have
cleaner water going to our rivers. Uh,
[2:00:36] but who is more responsible? Who gave us
the more restrictive requirements for
[2:00:39] the EPA or is the DEEC?
>> The DEC essentially goes with the EPA
[2:00:46] guidelines. So, they it's just a trickle
down. So, it wasn't above and beyond
[2:00:50] what the EPA recommended.
>> No. No.
[2:00:53] » Uh, my second question is, you know, a
lot of us would need would get more
[2:00:58] energy efficiency out of our houses by
putting better insulation on, improving
[2:01:01] our windows. Um, but, you know, I'm not
going to go sign a contract to do that
[2:01:04] unless I have the funds to pay for it.
I'm not going to send a bill to all my
[2:01:08] neighbors and say, "Well, hey guys, why
don't you pay for it?" Um, so I'd like
[2:01:13] to see that same sort of financial
responsibility in this sort of
[2:01:16] circumstance. Um, I guess my my
suggestion would be is that well, if
[2:01:20] we're going to increase this, we ought
to pay this roughly $300 a year, which
[2:01:24] is going to work out to be $8,000 at
current rates for most people, $10,000
[2:01:29] because we have a little bit of extra
frontage apparently. Can we all agree to
[2:01:33] not raise the taxes for that amount and
just sideline this money for for just
[2:01:39] this and, you know, put it hold back on
our tax raises?
[2:01:49] So, as as Mr. Simonus noted earlier, the
the town general taxes, the town the
[2:01:54] town collects less than $200,000 in town
taxes. The highway tax is higher.
[2:02:01] There's also a fire protection tax.
Those are different things than the town
[2:02:07] general tax. Um there there can be no
way that the town board could possibly
[2:02:12] commit to not raising those taxes
because those monies can only go to pay
[2:02:18] those things. The sewer has to come out
of the benefited parcels. So like we
[2:02:24] can't divert money from the other places
to this. And Jay mentioned earlier, the
[2:02:30] town board does tries very hard and has
not since Jay's been on the board raised
[2:02:35] the town general tax.
And I mean, it's just a like
[2:02:41] this board also cannot bind future
boards. So in three, four, five years,
[2:02:46] 10 years when this sewer debt is still
being paid, none of these guys might
[2:02:51] even be here. and it'll be a completely
different group of people up here who
[2:02:56] will have to determine at that time how
to fund town expenses and continue to
[2:03:00] pay this particular debt going forward
still. So it's I mean what you've asked
[2:03:05] I think is a really difficult thing that
the town just can't commit to.
[2:03:09] » I understand but on the same token our
property taxes go up, our school taxes
[2:03:13] keep going up. It seems a little bit
more financial responsibility maybe not
[2:03:16] necessarily specifically in the town
part uh but across the board to kind of
[2:03:20] balance things out for the taxpayers. I
also worry about the local businesses
[2:03:24] that are going to be fronting a big big
bill from this. Um, you know, I work in
[2:03:28] academia. I'm familiar with grants. You
know, if I don't get a grant, I don't do
[2:03:31] the work. So, you know, now we're paying
something that
[2:03:35] » the the DEEC was going to impose daily
fines on the town.
[2:03:41] » Uh, yeah,
>> daily fines on the town if the town did
[2:03:44] not do this project. And this project is
actually passed when it was supposed to
[2:03:49] be done and only but for the grace of
the DEEC saying we'll give us this an
[2:03:53] extension. The town would be paying
daily fines. So they have a pretty big
[2:03:58] stick to hit us with unfortunately.
>> And and I believe we are under a consent
[2:04:02] order. Greg, is that correct? Correct.
>> Yeah. So unfortunately,
[2:04:08] we as a community, we kicked this can
down the road about as far as we
[2:04:12] possibly can because I remember when
these new regulations came out and it's
[2:04:17] been almost 20 years. So they uh they
did allow municipalities to comply last
[2:04:23] and we took every every day of that.
>> And just remember you you get a public
[2:04:29] notice anytime the town does anything
like this. So if we have to upgrade our
[2:04:34] plant, you will get a public notice for
a public hearing like this where you can
[2:04:38] come and voice your opinion. Um so that
that that weighs a lot on the town board
[2:04:44] if there's enough, you know, negative to
it, they can make a determination that
[2:04:50] way,
>> right? And and we always discuss those
[2:04:53] options of what we're required to do
from a DEC or an EPA. So, someone had
[2:04:58] mentioned earlier about the water
project. We're not anywhere near that,
[2:05:01] but as that does develop, if it
develops, the text mygov app, all this
[2:05:08] public notice, everything will be mailed
out because absolutely we do want to
[2:05:12] hear from everybody.
[2:05:15] » Thank you.
And if you did send me a grievance
[2:05:19] letter after today's board meeting and
the board reviews the responses to the
[2:05:23] grievance letters, we will be mailing
them out. Just an FYI.
[2:05:40] » Good evening. Ed Branson, Shenangle
Bridge Road. My only concern here is
[2:05:46] here in the TBUS
is what happens like this brought out
[2:05:51] some numbers and an example. So if I had
100 ft of road frontage and a neighbor
[2:05:59] has 75 ft
and me and my wife family of two in our
[2:06:05] house, family of five in the 75 ft. So
I'm going to pay more than them even
[2:06:12] though they're going to use the system
more.
[2:06:16] So you could see I might have an issue.
>> I I get it. And you're 0.25 higher
[2:06:23] because of your road frontage. That's
that's just the way the formula works.
[2:06:27] But I understand.
>> Well, can't we just do a better formula?
[2:06:30] Like put a percentage on the amount of
water used.
[2:06:33] » And that's a completely different
discussion. Again, the debt amount won't
[2:06:37] change.
>> It might reduce it for you, but somebody
[2:06:40] else sitting in the room is going to
pick up the difference.
[2:06:42] » Right. But I'm saying if they use the
water,
[2:06:45] » but it's not based on the usage. We base
this off the frontage. If we were basing
[2:06:49] this off of usage, you'll be get a big
fluctuation in your EDUs because
[2:06:53] nobody's going to use any water, right?
And then all of a sudden that amount per
[2:06:57] gallon is going to skyrocket because
we're basing it off of that. This was
[2:07:02] done in a pretty fair manner. Certainly,
we could review it, but I understand
[2:07:07] what you're saying. I'm in the same
predicament.
[2:07:12] All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[2:07:35] Uh like I said earlier,
similarly
[2:07:39] with the water.
[2:07:43] came in through the office when it was
down on front street.
[2:07:48] » I I don't want to interrupt you, but
this is for the the sewer debt. This is
[2:07:52] not this is not for the water district.
>> Okay. Uh
[2:07:58] » if anybody has any real concerns about
the sewer district,
[2:08:02] » you've only got 30 days to do something.
[2:08:09] I know taking it to court
division of New York State. You only
[2:08:16] have 30 days to
question the municipality.
[2:08:23] » Yeah, it'll be 30 days from whenever the
board votes to actually approve the
[2:08:28] sewer edu assessments. So I I don't
believe the board isn't planning to take
[2:08:33] action tonight because there have been
many letters sent to DPW saying, "Hey,
[2:08:39] you know, I'm grieving it. I should be
at this number, not that number, which
[2:08:44] DPW has reviewed. They've given their
comments to the board." The board will
[2:08:47] review those probably after the public
hearing is over just to look at them
[2:08:51] more specifically and then they might
choose to do it at the next meeting
[2:08:55] depending on how late it gets. Uh but
the board I think will not take action
[2:08:59] tonight. Maybe at a meeting in September
after they vote then yes 30 days.
[2:09:05] » But you did say that we
or at least some people were charged
[2:09:11] last year.
[2:09:15] » So
well over 30 days
[2:09:20] » to to challenge last year's assessment.
Yes. challenged last year.
[2:09:26] Still challenged this year.
>> Correct.
[2:09:38] » Anyone else
before we close the public hearing
[2:09:45] » or do you want to leave it open?
[2:10:09] I heard that there's several people that
have grievances against their EDU. So if
[2:10:15] the you look into that further and
determine that yes, they were
[2:10:20] um calculated incorrectly and that
they're they get lower then does that
[2:10:27] mean everybody else's will go higher to
make up the difference
[2:10:32] » the the edu's assessment
>> not the edu itself but the amount
[2:10:37] » the unit rate
>> so then will there be another public
[2:10:40] will you have to have another public
hearing on the new amount
[2:10:43] » no the the amount is set the budget time
>> okay so this is just for the edu
[2:10:49] specifically even though it even though
the letter gave the amount in there.
[2:10:53] » Yeah, that that was the number from last
year. So to put it in a context that
[2:10:57] people might find more familiar
>> just like your house in in the
[2:11:01] assessment for your house,
>> right?
[2:11:03] » You know your house is worth $200,000.
You get a notice that it's increasing
[2:11:07] from 200 to like 225. You get that in
the spring. You go to the board of
[2:11:12] assessment review. You grieve it and the
board of assessment review either agrees
[2:11:17] with you or not. And if you don't like
what the bar did, you file a tax cert
[2:11:22] case challenging the assessment. This
it's the same type of process. You get
[2:11:27] edus. If you challenge it, you file a
lawsuit against the town to say, "Oh, I
[2:11:31] shouldn't have been at 1.13. I should
have been at one or whatever the
[2:11:35] numbers."
>> So, this is specifically for the .edu,
[2:11:37] not the amount of
>> correct.
[2:11:52] Anybody else?
[2:11:58] All right, that looks like
Am I closing it?
[2:12:03] All right, I'm going to close the public
hearing for the debt assessment for the
[2:12:06] sewer district, Consolidated Sewer
District. Thank you for coming.
[2:12:10] » Um, do you are we discussing these
tonight?
[2:12:14] or what's the plan?
[2:12:22] » There's more. So, yes.
>> So, they keep coming in. There was a
[2:12:26] list of
>> I saw the responses to on those
[2:12:32] » responses were for each one,
>> but there was an updated list. Jean, to
[2:12:36] your to your point, there's more that
have come.
[2:12:37] » They keep coming in. I I gave them to
noon today to put to send them to you by
[2:12:41] email, which I figured Right.
>> But it's probably not. You know what I'm
[2:12:44] saying? That's why I think future. So,
what do you want to do for a cutoff?
[2:12:48] What's the best?
>> I mean, today was the cut off.
[2:12:51] » This Let's just get it updated because
there were some that came in today.
[2:12:56] Okay. So, I'm in I'm in favor of
updating that, reading through all of
[2:13:00] them, and then having that discussion
with responses
[2:13:04] » with the responses.
>> It's just
[2:13:09] » the new five that I
>> Is that what it is? Five.
[2:13:12] » There was five that I sent out today.
>> Right. Those those just need to be
[2:13:15] included to what I I just printed off
the spreadsheet, Greg.
[2:13:19] » It's on the new spreadsheet as well. I
>> Right. But I the responses the letters
[2:13:23] and the responses that you initially
sent with the original sheet. I think
[2:13:27] » they're all on the agenda.
>> If you click on the one, the two
[2:13:32] » on the agenda under letters.
>> I think he added some this afternoon.
[2:13:36] » There's five more,
>> right,
[2:13:37] » that he sent by email that has his
response with them. But we can put them
[2:13:41] all together for a future meeting.
>> Yes.
[2:13:43] » Okay. And then the person who showed up
tonight that I I think caught as an
[2:13:49] actual like question to look into was
Deborah Lynch at 13 Warner Road. Just to
[2:13:52] check is she actually on the sewer line
or not?
[2:13:54] » Yes, she is.
>> Yes.
[2:13:58] » Yeah. So I put I mean she came she
appeared. There should be just a
[2:14:01] response to that to the town board so
the town board knows.
[2:14:07] » 13
>> 13 Warner Road. 13 Warner Road.
[2:14:11] » Yeah. Warner Road. Yep.
[2:14:17] » So, when do you want this? What What
agenda do you want this on?
[2:14:21] » I think we got to do this next.
[2:14:26] » Yes.
[2:14:35] Okay. 92 sewer edu agenda.
[2:14:42] Okay. Anything else tonight?
[2:14:46] » You didn't need to do an executive
session.
[2:14:53] » Yeah.
>> Without him.
[2:14:55] » Well, I thought you asked Alex to come.
>> Oh, for RFPs.
[2:15:03] » Is I I'm just trying to remember what
we've talked about in the past.
[2:15:14] Yes.
[2:15:21] Okay.
[2:15:25] Yes.
[2:15:41] Huh?
[2:15:44] » Yeah.
[2:16:07] You want
the process?
[2:16:10] » Oh. Oh, the
have to go back to old business.
[2:16:14] » I I I don't know. I mean,
>> it's I don't think you guys need to get
[2:16:18] overly rott about it. You just want to
have an executive session for the topic.
[2:16:22] I mean, you're it's your meeting. You
can bring anything up at any point if
[2:16:26] you feel like you need to do it.
[2:16:34] about doing this tonight or putting on a
future topic.
[2:16:37] » It's your It's your
>> I was just trying to remind
[2:16:41] » you can do whatever we want.
[2:17:01] We wanted to convert
[2:17:26] just
[2:17:38] is the existing.
[2:17:49] » So, which one do you want to do first?
[2:17:54] » Huh?
in executive session first and then
[2:17:58] discuss out afterwards.
[2:18:07] » Yes.
[2:18:12] » I I agree. There's no reason why not.
[2:18:38] I'll second that.
>> Any discussion? None.
[2:18:41] » I have none.
>> Roll call.
[2:18:46] » Mr. SL is absent. Mr. Sonus.
>> Hi,
[2:18:48] » Mr. Johnson.
>> Hi,
[2:18:49] » Mr. Mr. Hbert, Mr. Warden.
>> Hi.
[2:18:52] » Is that something you guys want me on?
[2:18:58] » I don't think so.
[2:19:04] » Sorry.
[2:19:23] Thank you.
[2:20:51] Yeah.
[2:21:33] That's
[2:22:29] question.
[2:22:42] What's up?
[2:24:03] Sorry.
[2:26:19] Is
[2:28:05] Thank you.
[2:30:41] I will
[2:31:08] pop it out.
[2:33:26] Yeah.
[2:35:07] You want to create?
[2:35:25] Yes.
[2:35:51] What was
[2:36:07] One
[2:36:58] Yeah.
[2:37:04] that people
[2:37:16] wasn't good.
[2:37:47] That's it.
[2:38:38] ridicul. Yeah.
[2:38:48] So last
[2:39:21] Oh yeah.
[2:39:33] There's
[2:39:45] going
[2:40:01] around.
[2:40:24] So
what it
[2:40:30] everyone.
[2:41:12] address.
[2:41:26] You
[2:41:41] You're not
[2:42:04] You actually.
[2:42:46] Yeah, there's another gentleman
[2:43:01] What's
[2:43:12] not
[2:44:09] I'll say
[2:44:36] Oh, it's
[2:45:09] Washington.
[2:45:28] Jordan.
[2:45:58] How many
[2:46:23] That's coming out.
[2:46:35] very
[2:48:15] That's
[2:52:55] motion 747.
[2:53:06] Okay, we're back in regular session.
[2:53:33] I'll second that. Any discussion?
>> None.
[2:53:37] » Okay.
>> Mr. SL is absent. Mr. Sonus. Hi.
[2:53:42] » Mr. Johnson. Hi. Mr. Halbert. Hi. Mr.
Warden. Hi.
[2:53:58] No, I think Alice can go, but Darren
should say, right?
[2:54:08] » That That was funny when you I'm sorry.
That one was funny.
[2:54:15] I'll be right here waiting for you.
[2:54:52] How does it work?
[2:55:17] It's All
[2:55:30] right.
[2:55:50] Are you sure?
[2:57:27] That's hard.
[2:59:06] There is
[2:59:20] heat.
[3:01:02] You have
[3:01:43] Okay, thank you.
[3:17:09] Yeah.
[3:23:38] That's
[3:24:32] All right, we're back in regular
session.
[3:24:35] Does anybody have anything else for this
evening?
[3:24:42] I just wanted to acknowledge that Mr.
Crack stayed till the end of the meeting
[3:24:45] and we appreciate his presence.
[3:24:49] » Do I have a do I have a a second for the
motion?
[3:24:56] » Yeah.
>> Second.
[3:24:59] » All in favor? Hi. Hi.
>> We're out of here.
[3:26:13] I don't know. I was just guessing.
[3:26:29] I saw those.
I saw those