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all right uh thank you for everyone um

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this is the board of appeals meeting uh

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7 p.m september 8th of 2022

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uh during uh today's meeting we're going

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to start off

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uh by nominating a chair and vice chair

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for uh this board briefly um in which

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case we'll move on to

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case 2022-3

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from michael beverly former of 3905 27th

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street

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concerning a side yard variance request

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and we will finish up with a review

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of the rules and procedures

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for this board uh so as normal i would

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like to start

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uh with a roll call for who's attending

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on behalf of the board

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um my name is jody hoonstar uh as the

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chair of the board and i'll just go down

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the list and if you

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uh mr burch here oh

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uh mr dougherty here mr president

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all right uh we have a quorum and on

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hand our uh town clerk sharon hum

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and uh legal counsel fred sussman uh at

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this point i will pass it over

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for any information concerning postings

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and entries into the record

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oh yeah we're gonna uh yeah i guess that

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is part of the second so i guess i'll

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hold off on that

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um

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so first uh first bit of order is to

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nominate a board chair and vice chair

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um does anyone have a

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nominee they'd like to put forward for

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either position

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i'd like to make a nomination for mr

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moon star

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for chairman

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second there thank you uh i guess we can

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just go through and uh vote on that

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um anyone anyone opposed

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all right i will continue as chairman

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for this board um and i would like to uh

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nominate mr dougherty for the role of

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vice chair do i have a second on that a

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second there

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uh and do we have any objections

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all right um sir doherty uh is the vice

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chair

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of the board

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now uh with that business done i assume

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we don't need any paperwork

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um i will now pass it over to sharon for

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recording public postings

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and then

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the vice chair take over so i am uh

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refusing myself as these are uh my

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direct neighbors

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uh for this particular case and handing

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it over

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all right um so i'd like to ask uh the

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town clerk

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um

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if the uh

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case has been read into the uh

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uh

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announced in the proper forms

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proper uh

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areas

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yes um

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the hearing was published in the

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southern maryland newspaper on august

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19th august 26 and september 2nd

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editions

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on august 5th

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2022 the planning and zoning commission

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was notified of said hearing with

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application date and time

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on august 4th

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2022 the applicant and adjoining

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property owners were sent by registered

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mail notification of said hearing

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and property 3905 27th street was posted

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by public works

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giving notice of time in place of public

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hearing

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all right thank you um

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we are here to

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discuss the case

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uh 2022-3

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consider an application from michael and

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beverly fulmer

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uh for of the real property known as

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3905 27th street chesapeake beach

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for variance to section 290-19a

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of the

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town code

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by the construction um

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of an addition on their house

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which would be placed

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three four three and a half feet into

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the required

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eight foot side yard on the west side of

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the lot

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for a variance of four and a half feet

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and approximately four point eight feet

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into the required eight foot side yard

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on the east side of the lot

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or variance of 3.2 feet

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that is the case um

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and are the petitioners here

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ready to

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uh present their case

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all right so at this point uh

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um do i need a quote on that

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on this point uh we'll accept the

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application into the record

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and now hear from the applicants

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would you uh

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state your name address

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my name is michael former living at 496

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old mill road millersville maryland two

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one one zero eight

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child's blind

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living at 3106 barry road northeast

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washington dc

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if you both raise your right hands i'm

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going to swear you in

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do you both solemnly swear or affirm

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under the penalties of perjury that the

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testimony you were about to give and the

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responses and statements you are about

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to make will be the whole truth and

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nothing but the truth

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thank you

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all right so the uh which uh

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which person would like to get up and

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speak at the podium

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it doesn't matter you want to go special

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[Music]

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could you step up to the podium please

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[Music]

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good evening thank you for hearing now

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case

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the reason we're here for this verse

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we had no idea

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that the sidewalk

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the side on the east side and west side

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was in violation

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when mike bought the house

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it was there the structure when he

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purchased that property

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no one informed him

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that he was in violation

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and needed a verse we didn't learn

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that we needed the burns until we

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project the build extend the deck out

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two and a half feet

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and then we was uh we was under

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impression that

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why we need a variance when we're not

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doing no work on the side

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all our work is in the real

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wish we learned later

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that the deck was probably not

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i didn't know

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mike didn't know was no research that

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told us

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that the deck was

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built

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after the house was

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constructed he learned that afterward

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and this one of the reasons we hear

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requests and environs to bring the

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property and con

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to it

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with the um

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the current status

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so right now the way the house is

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situated

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there isn't an eight foot

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on each side

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where the house is sitting

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um so basically we're looking to extend

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the kitchen out and then add the deck

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and we weren't

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if it's a matter of us

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changing the width of the deck then

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you know we can certainly do that but we

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would prefer to keep the dimensions

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where they are

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so that it's even with the house coming

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out

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so the main so the issue is the the deck

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i'm reading right here um

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it's going to be built out i said a

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canyon effect right

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yes they're gonna be built on the reel

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what is the canon effect like

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you break it down like what

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what exactly is that

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well what we're seeing here you have

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copy this yeah i'm looking at right now

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it says the canyon effect so there'd be

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nothing on the sides is that what

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nothing's going to be on this side okay

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so there's no dividers so no no no

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my understanding was that you were

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extending the house uh backwards by ten

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feet or so

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no we extended the house

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back was

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two additional fee plus today 10 foot a

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deck

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this will allow mike to have a larger

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kitchen yeah we were looking for a

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larger kitchen in the house

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so we wanted to expand the back of the

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house that additional amount was only a

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couple of feet three feet something two

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or three feet

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and uh

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that would provide us more room in the

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kitchen so that's basically what we were

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looking for there

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and we'd like to keep that the same you

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know the same width as the house

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ask the witnesses some questions they've

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got to get a better feel for

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what they're

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actually proposing to do and how it

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compares to the exhibits that we have

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i ask that

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you see this exhibit here this is the

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the architectural renderings for the

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project and it's the page it shows the

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existing

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right

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rear or side elevation and the proposed

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side elevation

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and if you look at the top you see that

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there are five windows towards the rear

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two standard windows and two long thin

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windows

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then if you look at the bottom the

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proposed you see the same pattern of

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windows plus two more windows that

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extend back

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so can you draw a line

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through this cross section of what is

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new

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what would be new on this new in this

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elevation

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this will renew

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existing

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right okay so are you telling us that

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that is only two feet

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no we're saying we're gonna extend this

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part out back two feet today

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and we're going close today

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okay very good so what exists today is

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where this new edition is going to be

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built is a deck today

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so you are in fact extending the house

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rearward that's correct and then adding

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a deck

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for another 10 foot of depth

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not another 10 foot we're just going

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back to the same footprint as you see

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right here this is 10 foot from the

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house to the edge of the

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edge of the deck

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so that that this would give us

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this would give us 10 foot on in our 12

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foot

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total

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12 foot of new building space new

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building space

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yeah i uh thank you

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what sheet are you on i'm one sheet

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it's actually the same image that i

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included

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everything to the rear of that is new

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construction

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[Applause]

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almost where that roof

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here's the line that he drew

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everything to the rear of that is new

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construction

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so happens that where the new house

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petition is proposed a deck exists today

305
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yes that's it

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so here's that line he drew everything

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to the rear of that is new

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completely

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you got it

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okay

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okay

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but you did make the point i think that

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a deck

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exists in that space now or did

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previously

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it is is we're going back with the same

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footprint we're not making it that in a

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larger just moving it back

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and we still will be worked in

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compliance

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of the real setback

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we have approximately 35 foot

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finale

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all right do we have any other questions

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the applicant

326
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all right with that i'd like to pass it

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to uh mr jakubiak for staff report okay

328
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thank you um

329
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so let me first

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orient

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everyone to the the property uh

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on first and also there's a staff report

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that i drafted dated september 2nd

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2022 and i'd like to enter it into the

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record

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um

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that's acceptable

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we will enter that into the record that

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report

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this house on on uh 3905 according to

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the state department of assessments and

342
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taxation was built in 1945.

343
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the lot is small it's a 3 000 square

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foot lot it's one of the original

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cottage lots

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and that feel and character still

347
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evident along 27th street and that kind

348
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of pocket of town a lot of that fabric

349
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of you know small lots little cottages

350
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has changed over time but it still

351
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remains of somewhat intact in that area

352
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um the lot is 3 30 feet wide and 100

353
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feet deep and on page 2 you can see the

354
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subject property i put an arrow to it

355
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there's an exhibit there

356
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is hom is there an

357
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extra copy of the staff report

358
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i don't know that the applicants have a

359
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copy they'll have a copy i want to make

360
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,839
sure they have copies oh thank you

361
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thank you

362
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um

363
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please take note of the the original

364
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platted lines in this part of the middle

365
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subdivision that's what it was called uh

366
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the subject properties of three thousand

367
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square foot lot it's really the mirror

368
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image of the

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the two or three lots in that area it so

370
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happens that the house to the right or

371
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to the east side is built

372
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on a combined six thousand square foot

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lot the lots are the three thousand plus

374
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three thousand combined to form one

375
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large lot larger lot uh the other two

376
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houses

377
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uh are still on the original three

378
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thousand

379
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as is the house at the intersection of

380
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the alley and 27th street that's your

381
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standard 3000 square foot lot too

382
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so that's a bit of a picture of the

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neighborhood this zoning district is

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called the residential village

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the minimum lot size under current law

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is 6 000 square feet so if you were

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creating a new lot today it couldn't be

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smaller than six thousand

389
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the applicants have a situation that's

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we call non-conforming the lots are

391
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legal lots of record platted well before

392
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the town ever had zoning ordinances

393
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and the fact that the house sits

394
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close to the side yard it doesn't make

395
00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,200
it in violation i just want to correct

396
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that it's not in violation it's just was

397
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built before the code was adopted

398
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violations happen when construction

399
00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,120
takes place without the proper permits

400
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or without the variances that are

401
00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:13,600
necessary so we have an eight foot

402
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,039
setback required on each side yard

403
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,640
because of the small lot and the

404
00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,799
existing house

405
00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,039
it would be perhaps rather difficult to

406
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get eight feet and how would you do that

407
00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:24,799
well you'd have to

408
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bump in the addition the addition would

409
00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:30,080
have to step inward into the center of

410
00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:31,919
the lot and and go back

411
00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,799
uh and if you did that

412
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that

413
00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:37,600
addition could only be 14 feet wide and

414
00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:40,160
i did a little math in this

415
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,320
memo and i messed up and for some reason

416
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,799
the end result was 12. but if you have

417
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,760
30 foot lot and 8 feet on both sides

418
00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:49,840
that's 16 feet you end up with 14.

419
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,400
so the question for the board when we

420
00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,600
review the criteria is is it a hardship

421
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to have to

422
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build a

423
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,120
an addition that is only 14 foot wide

424
00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,760
that's a question that you may

425
00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:01,760
have to seek

426
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,559
comments from the applicant about

427
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,919
i don't have evidence about that

428
00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:09,600
i can't make a recommendation about

429
00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:12,559
whether this constitutes a hardship or

430
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:15,520
not but but that's a issue for you to

431
00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:17,360
grapple with clearly there's a physical

432
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,960
condition on this lot

433
00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:23,200
that creates a need for a variance if

434
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,919
someone is going to build

435
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:29,760
an addition off their house right so

436
00:19:25,919 --> 00:19:31,360
um the question for you is

437
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,679
uh

438
00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:36,320
is it a reasonable proposal

439
00:19:33,679 --> 00:19:38,320
in light of the requirements uh

440
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,559
does the

441
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,600
does the requirements strictly applied

442
00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:42,960
create

443
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,480
uh hardship

444
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,240
uh and when i

445
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,200
face these situations before i often

446
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,440
think about

447
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,360
the interior space

448
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,120
i you know you you might say oh it's

449
00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:54,880
perfectly fine just bump it in comply

450
00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:56,400
with the law strictly have live with a

451
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,080
14 foot

452
00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:02,080
wide addition

453
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:04,320
even though the house is 22 or 24 foot

454
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,919
but how does this space flow if this is

455
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,960
a bump out of the kitchen can you

456
00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:09,679
actually

457
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,880
operate a kitchen that bumps out only a

458
00:20:09,679 --> 00:20:12,559
portion of the

459
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,080
the width of it that's the kind of

460
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questions you might want to

461
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,559
raise in

462
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,799
in applying these standards

463
00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:23,039
so um

464
00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:24,400
i'm jumping around a bit in my remember

465
00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:27,200
on page three

466
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:29,039
there is the the the exhibit is shown

467
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,760
there the one that

468
00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:33,679
the architect just drew the line on

469
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and it confirms that in fact the

470
00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:37,360
applicant is proposing to build new

471
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,919
house

472
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:43,919
addition new construction to the rear of

473
00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:43,919
the lot in addition to a new deck

474
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,679
and it's

475
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,159
not material to me as the zoning

476
00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:52,640
administrator that in the deck exists

477
00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:53,679
existed on that site already this is a

478
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,880
new

479
00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:55,840
construction

480
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,280
um

481
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,600
before we get into the standards i want

482
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,720
to describe a little bit else about

483
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,679
the site

484
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,360
on the

485
00:21:01,679 --> 00:21:06,080
if you're looking at the property on the

486
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:09,679
right side which would be the west side

487
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:12,080
the side yard is a bit narrow and

488
00:21:09,679 --> 00:21:14,240
the house next to it is close to its

489
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:17,200
side your two you can see that on that

490
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flat and it's tall it's a two and a half

491
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,559
story building

492
00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:22,000
the tall structure

493
00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:24,080
on the

494
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,840
left side of the farmer's house or the

495
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,919
east side

496
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,520
the yard is set back the house is set

497
00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:30,720
back a little bit further a little bit

498
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,159
more space

499
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,000
we're not talking about the difference

500
00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:35,840
about a foot or so

501
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,159
but that the house

502
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,360
the adjoining or the neighboring house

503
00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:41,440
because it's

504
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:45,840
roughly centered on its 6 000 square

505
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:48,000
foot lot it has a relatively wide yard

506
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,919
and um it is

507
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,880
a small cottage one and a half story

508
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:54,880
cottage just like the farmer's house is

509
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,039
so you can see that sort of compatible

510
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,840
relationship on one side on the other

511
00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:02,799
side not so much because in the

512
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,000
newer construction on the

513
00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:06,720
west side

514
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,039
kind of towers over the existing cottage

515
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,039
house

516
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:16,400
so in order to grant the variance the

517
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,400
board of appeals has to

518
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,440
find that

519
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,080
five standards are met

520
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,520
and those standards are discussed on

521
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,799
pages four

522
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,799
five and six of this memo

523
00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:35,280
i provided some information i of course

524
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,120
may not have all the information that

525
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,960
you may feel is necessary and that's why

526
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:41,440
we hold a public hearing

527
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,520
to hear from the applicants

528
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,159
and anyone in the public you might might

529
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:50,400
want to speak about the matter

530
00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:50,400
but the first standard is it refers to

531
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,080
states that the granting of variants

532
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,360
shall be in harmony with the general

533
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,880
purpose and intent of this chapter

534
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,919
and by this chapter we mean the zoning

535
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,840
ordinance

536
00:22:59,919 --> 00:23:04,400
and it shall not be injurious to the

537
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:07,360
neighborhood or otherwise detrimental to

538
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,679
the public welfare

539
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:12,080
uh and in that

540
00:23:09,679 --> 00:23:15,600
paragraph there i provided

541
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,960
some context for you to consider

542
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,360
i mentioned that the addition would

543
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,600
extend rear word and maintain the

544
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:24,240
current narrow setbacks in other words

545
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,200
it wouldn't get any closer to the side

546
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,039
lots

547
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,120
lines than

548
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:31,200
the current house is the house on the

549
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:33,360
west side is also quite close to the lot

550
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,200
line so the distance between the two

551
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,799
houses is quite small in keeping with

552
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:41,200
the traditional pattern of cottage

553
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:41,200
housing in this part of chesapeake beach

554
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,720
which speaks to the nation the notion of

555
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,640
harmony

556
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,360
this addition in my view doesn't disrupt

557
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,280
the harmony that's established out there

558
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:53,760
it's also in the rear of the lot too so

559
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,600
it's not even visible from the street it

560
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,440
is important to note that the applicants

561
00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,000
are proposing a relatively modest

562
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,480
addition and only the first story of the

563
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,080
house is being extended

564
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,880
further over half of the fully

565
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:09,120
constructed extension would be the deck

566
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,679
while this 10-foot deep deck would be

567
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:13,120
covered by a roof extending from the

568
00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:15,760
main house

569
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:17,520
it would otherwise be open in the sides

570
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,679
on the sides and thus not present a

571
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,640
solid wall to the neighbors on either

572
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:22,240
side

573
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,520
i mentioned this because this does not

574
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,120
appear to create that canyon effect that

575
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,440
mr sharp just mentioned

576
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:31,679
if this were a two-story addition a

577
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,039
blank wall maybe there's an evaluation

578
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:36,159
that needs to take place about whether

579
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:38,559
it creates a situation where it

580
00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:40,480
blocks the air and the light movement

581
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:43,360
onto the adjoining house

582
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,799
and that's not the case in my view

583
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,880
um

584
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:48,559
so the second standard

585
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,960
says that the granting the variance will

586
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:52,960
not permit the existence within the

587
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,240
district of any use which is not

588
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,320
permitted

589
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,799
in the district this is the residential

590
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,960
village district single-family house is

591
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:03,919
permitted use and the variance doesn't

592
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:07,120
change the intended use

593
00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:08,799
this will remain a single family house

594
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,640
number three that

595
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:12,720
there are special circumstances or

596
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,360
conditions

597
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,360
applying to the land or buildings for

598
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:19,360
which the variance is sought

599
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:22,960
which circumstances or conditions are

600
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:25,200
peculiar to such land or buildings and

601
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,039
do not apply generally to land or

602
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,120
buildings in the neighborhood

603
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,640
and that such condition circumstances or

604
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,000
conditions are such that strict

605
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,320
interpretation

606
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,720
of the provisions of this chapter would

607
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,320
deprive the applicant the reasonable use

608
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,320
of such building

609
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,799
land and building

610
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,919
so i've showed you on this

611
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:49,120
exhibit um this property tax map that

612
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:51,919
that pattern of little lots 3 000 square

613
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:55,039
foot lots is a dominant pattern on this

614
00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:56,720
block okay on the adjoining lots however

615
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:58,240
it's not the dominant pattern within the

616
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,799
general neighborhood they've been

617
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,640
consolidated over time many cases

618
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,960
they've the lot lines have been adjusted

619
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,880
to formally create larger lots the

620
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,200
houses are much larger and wider as you

621
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,279
know the neighborhood so this cottage

622
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,320
pattern what was the dominant pattern

623
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:16,080
when this subdivision was planted uh in

624
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,320
the 30s and 40s

625
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,960
20s 30s and 40s it's not that way

626
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,880
anymore so in

627
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,360
my view it seems like a relatively

628
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,760
unique situation that we have here

629
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,120
by virtue of passage of time

630
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,960
but that's something that the board

631
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:33,200
would have to establish that this is a

632
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,720
unique situation

633
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,120
and

634
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,440
not only that the situation presents

635
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:41,760
a um

636
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,720
is a physical condition

637
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,640
so that

638
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,640
obviously the the physical condition

639
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,360
here is a very narrow lot

640
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:52,880
and a house that pre-existed the zoning

641
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,880
it is where it is

642
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:57,200
and

643
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,200
if you strictly interpreted the

644
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,559
provisions of the court the chapter the

645
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,400
zoning ordinance

646
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,720
would these with these uh strict

647
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,679
setbacks deprive the applicant of the

648
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,440
reasonable use of the land

649
00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:11,279
so the question is is reasonable to

650
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,840
build a small addition off the rear and

651
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,840
a new deck

652
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:19,760
maybe compare that with some other types

653
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:21,600
of construction that an applicant might

654
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,960
this is a value judgment and this is why

655
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,559
we have citizen

656
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,159
board of appeal members

657
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:28,240
making those judgments

658
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:30,640
um

659
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,520
now you have to say establish if there's

660
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,200
a unnecessary hardship if the hardship

661
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,039
is just a general hardship that is

662
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,240
shared generally by land and buildings

663
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,000
in the neighborhood

664
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,039
then the relief shall properly be

665
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,919
obtained

666
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:45,039
by

667
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:47,200
legislative action or court review

668
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:49,840
in other words if this is a problem that

669
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:53,039
everybody experiences we shouldn't

670
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,640
change the ordinance or change the

671
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:57,200
how the ordinance is applied just for

672
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,720
one case

673
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,919
the town council should change the

674
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,159
zoning

675
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:04,799
change the law so that everyone is

676
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:06,000
treated fairly and you have a new regime

677
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:08,159
there

678
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,159
so

679
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,200
the question is

680
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,520
in your your mind is this a general

681
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,960
hardship or is it kind of particular to

682
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,240
that particular property and the

683
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,679
applicants

684
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:24,159
i would tend to think on balance is

685
00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:24,159
particular to this particular location

686
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,240
for the reasons i mentioned earlier but

687
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:31,279
the lot size and

688
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,360
the older house

689
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:35,840
that the granting the variants is number

690
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,919
five necessary for the reasonable use of

691
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,559
the land and building

692
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:42,799
and that the variance as granted by the

693
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:46,640
board is the minimum variance

694
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:48,399
that will accomplish this purpose

695
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,919
maybe you need to ask them

696
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:51,360
the applicant can they live with

697
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:52,960
something smaller than what they're

698
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,760
actually asking for

699
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,520
it's a reasonable request to ask every

700
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,880
applicant that comes before you if they

701
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,600
say there's no way i could build an

702
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,640
addition uh conforming to the code or

703
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,559
even less than what it is because

704
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,480
naturally the law the walls have to

705
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:10,000
extend naturally a roof has to extend

706
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,159
off of its current plane you know

707
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,679
there's a real practical and if you make

708
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:14,960
the determination based on your

709
00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:16,640
questions then i think you've

710
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,720
established findings that would support

711
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,279
this type of criteria

712
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,640
if the applicant says well honestly

713
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,640
technically speaking we could build a

714
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,480
smaller edition then you'd have to say

715
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,799
well maybe you should

716
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,159
just because our job is to apply this

717
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:30,960
these criteria

718
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:32,480
and

719
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,159
as faithfully as possible towards

720
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,600
towards implementing the purposes of the

721
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:37,039
zoning ordinance

722
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,880
and in this respect the purpose of the

723
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,440
zoning ordinance is to keep the side

724
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,200
yards open to extend possibly

725
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,559
so

726
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:48,960
that's an overall review and um and uh i

727
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:51,919
hope i i didn't draw it out too long but

728
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,840
i wanted to give a little more context

729
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:55,679
if you have any questions for me please

730
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,720
ask

731
00:29:55,679 --> 00:30:01,760
does the board have any questions

732
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,760
react on the report

733
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,919
give me one moment

734
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,360
all right um

735
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,360
does the board have any questions

736
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:30,880
of the applicant

737
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,880
pertaining to the staff report

738
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:36,840
i don't

739
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,440
and does the applicant have any comments

740
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:43,919
on the staff report

741
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,159
no we just um

742
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:49,039
would like to keep the house the way the

743
00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:50,960
plans are if that's all possible

744
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,880
um

745
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,200
in order to keep things

746
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,919
how we wanted to it to look we

747
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,600
purchased a home it's pretty derelict

748
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:01,279
we're having it repaired from top to

749
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,679
bottom we want to improve the

750
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,039
neighborhood we want to prove

751
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:06,880
our house it's going to be our

752
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,799
retirement home

753
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,200
we're in the process now of trying to

754
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:13,120
sell our other house

755
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,360
these delays are

756
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,760
we're taking those into consideration

757
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,679
but i want to thank the board

758
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,520
for hearing our case

759
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:24,880
and

760
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,880
i hope that you will

761
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,080
be in our favor

762
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:33,760
thank you

763
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:36,320
at this point uh i'd like to uh

764
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,559
open up the public comments do we have

765
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,320
to do we have a sign-in sheet

766
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,720
all the comments

767
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,240
there's a sheet up there if anyone

768
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,159
wants to comment

769
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,159
i did get a written comment today

770
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,799
the uh

771
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,240
work i think the written comment you

772
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,720
received today should be made part of

773
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,720
the record

774
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:12,559
hello my name is jody hoonstar

775
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,960
and i am the

776
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,840
neighbor to the tall house to the side

777
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,120
um

778
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,159
and i wanted to speak my support uh for

779
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,960
this plan

780
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:24,960
um in in my neighborhood i've lived here

781
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,360
since 2017. i've seen

782
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,440
a fair number of houses of this style

783
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,720
um get some form of attention some have

784
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,279
pre-existed some of them have been

785
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,360
remodeled since then um it's this kind

786
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,640
of old style cottage roof that you see

787
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,159
in the plans

788
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,399
but it seems like people moving into the

789
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:42,960
neighborhood find that it's just a

790
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:45,360
little bit a little bit too little um in

791
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,240
terms of what maybe a house we expect to

792
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,919
live in

793
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,440
uh in these days so

794
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:51,440
a lot of the other renovations typically

795
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,360
move sideways um

796
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,159
there have been a couple that tried to

797
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,519
go up and then ended up just going

798
00:32:56,159 --> 00:33:00,399
sideways anyway i assume because it

799
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:02,960
caused concerns so um but in this case

800
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:05,360
um they're very close to the the

801
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,880
neighbor lot lines and there's no way to

802
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,360
extend sideways on this particular

803
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,600
property um the house is already set

804
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,080
pretty far forward in the lot

805
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,320
um and so from from my neighborly

806
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,320
perspective uh the only reasonable thing

807
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,679
to do is build back they're kind of

808
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,360
taking the house and building back into

809
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:22,240
the property that they own

810
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,320
um

811
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,159
and uh there's some some mix of house

812
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,240
and deck there um

813
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:29,279
but i think that's uh pretty reasonable

814
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,640
for what

815
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,919
uh all the other people in our

816
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,360
neighborhood who have a similar lot and

817
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:34,880
similar stop house have been doing over

818
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,159
the past couple years

819
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,240
um

820
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:40,640
and uh and it does uh improve the

821
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,240
neighborhood um it is a a net

822
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,840
improvement from when i've moved in

823
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,200
these uh the renovations of this old

824
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,399
style housing

825
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,679
um

826
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:50,000
and uh

827
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:51,840
yeah i i think in this case uh if the

828
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,760
zoning purpose is is to keep the side

829
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,600
yard open um

830
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,039
bringing the house back in alignment

831
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,880
with the currently existing side yard

832
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:01,679
and you know avoiding building a huge

833
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,039
wall next to your neighbors um it sounds

834
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:04,640
like that's all been

835
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:06,559
taken care of from

836
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,200
from my perspective

837
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:11,200
so that's all i had to say opinions uh

838
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,760
appreciate the time thank you

839
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,760
all right thank you

840
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:21,720
um and we did as uh was mentioned we did

841
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,720
get one written public comment

842
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:26,079
has the applicant seen that public

843
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:29,359
comment no we have it

844
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,879
that just came in today at four o'clock

845
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:32,240
bought a copy

846
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:35,399
i'll provide a copy of it all right

847
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:35,399
thank you

848
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,880
refrigerator

849
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,520
right

850
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,880
and and just summarizing the written

851
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,920
comment

852
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,640
uh from from susan webster page

853
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,000
of 3907 27th street

854
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,200
who expressed the concern about

855
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,200
stormwater drainage

856
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,920
we can go back

857
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,040
and i discussed it shortly let me oh i'm

858
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,640
retired i thought we would hold off

859
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,640
please are there any other public

860
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,359
comments

861
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,359
those comments

862
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,720
hearing none i would close public

863
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,640
comments and ask the applicant if uh

864
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,160
they have any rebuttal or any additional

865
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,920
comments on

866
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,640
anything that's been said

867
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:28,160
based on what i'm looking at

868
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:30,560
if we go back and put a french drain

869
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:34,960
with a water roll backwards

870
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,960
then we're in violation of the virus

871
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,320
that's what you said

872
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:43,359
we applying for variants on both sides

873
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,160
and then we

874
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:46,480
and

875
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,599
neighbors complain about a storm water

876
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,359
management

877
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:53,599
if we go back and put a fresh drain

878
00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:54,480
that will pitch the water backwards and

879
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,400
when

880
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,839
you don't hurt properly then we're in

881
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,839
violation of the virus

882
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:07,280
because there's an eight foot

883
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:10,480
requirement and we only have three we

884
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,480
requested three info

885
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,240
you follow me

886
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,440
um running along the side of the house

887
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:19,359
basically yes i follow you um now is

888
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,240
that a is that something we need to get

889
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:22,960
a

890
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,960
face damage

891
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,520
if there were

892
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,640
a storm water or drainage issue

893
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,320
it's afraid

894
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,720
i mean we don't i don't know if that's a

895
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,079
fact or not right we don't either um

896
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:40,880
okay you don't know you're just

897
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,839
responding like hypothetically

898
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,839
um

899
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:45,599
one possible approach would be due to do

900
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:48,320
a french drain that would run parallel

901
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:50,560
to the lot line escape yes

902
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:53,119
and um you can do that that's not a

903
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,560
structure that doesn't violate the

904
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,400
setbacks

905
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,000
uh that is a

906
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,880
reasonable approach and it's allowed

907
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,280
within

908
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,280
the side yard yeah

909
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,119
the um

910
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,800
but we would look at that as part of the

911
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,680
site plan we just have to review your

912
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,839
plan

913
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,400
the applicant's property is also within

914
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:15,280
the chesapeake bay critical area

915
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,440
so there is a requirement to mitigate

916
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,040
for the additional lot coverage that is

917
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,640
being proposed here

918
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,920
and the way that we typically do it

919
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:26,000
under state guidance is to require

920
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,760
additional tree or

921
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,000
shrub plantings

922
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,960
and if there are any specific

923
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,119
instances of water being visible leaving

924
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,839
the site we fix that

925
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,400
as

926
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:40,160
you suggested but the one

927
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,599
way that many people also do that is

928
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,720
through i think i heard you mention a

929
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,599
rain barrel

930
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,960
which

931
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,800
slows the

932
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,440
release of the water

933
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,680
onto the ground so we would address that

934
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,760
issue at site plan approval

935
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,680
unless it was a issue of such concern

936
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,680
that you needed to address

937
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,680
tonight

938
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,680
that also be the case um with the

939
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,520
french drain

940
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,040
it would be addressed at

941
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,320
site approval

942
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,400
yes if it was

943
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,400
if if we determined that drainage was an

944
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,320
issue or potentially was an issue

945
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,000
that's something we could require we

946
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,400
wouldn't require it unless there was

947
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,160
clear evidence that it was necessary and

948
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,640
the french drain was necessary to solve

949
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,640
the problem

950
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:30,640
all right if uh are there any other

951
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,520
comments

952
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,680
hearing none closing the public hearing

953
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,200
and entertain i will entertain a motion

954
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,200
to uh

955
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,200
board to begin deliberation on the

956
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,200
application

957
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,960
your emotions

958
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:51,119
liberation

959
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,119
second a second

960
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,800
so um

961
00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:58,720
do either of the other board members

962
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,880
have any comments

963
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:03,680
i have one um i'm sorry

964
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,560
um yeah i agree with this with the the

965
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,320
storm water drainage system that's

966
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,480
very vague i mean

967
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,760
you need some kind of proof to say that

968
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,200
the water is

969
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,359
dumping down on your property i mean

970
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,800
that's just i understand the concerns i

971
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:18,079
get this is the bay there's water coming

972
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,520
from everywhere

973
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:21,440
but you just haven't have to have

974
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,119
something more and just assuming it's

975
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,960
going to be your property that's going

976
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,960
to damage it so i mean

977
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,480
i get the concerns but i mean if you had

978
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,359
some type of

979
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,680
evidence as mr kubiak said like

980
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:33,680
um

981
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,640
i mean i don't

982
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:39,040
really see an issue with

983
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,040
going

984
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,000
so i think

985
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:48,560
this variance kind of makes sense

986
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,119
because it's going rearward

987
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,119
to follow the house

988
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,800
um my comments i i guess um

989
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,960
given that the uh

990
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,440
any potential drainage issues would be

991
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,440
addressed

992
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:10,240
during the approval of the site plan

993
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:10,240
i think the

994
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,160
of a comment received

995
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:19,520
would take care of that

996
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:22,240
that owner's concern

997
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,240
i do believe that that the

998
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,920
five criteria

999
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,920
for branding of variance has been met

1000
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,160
that uh

1001
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:33,160
the uh

1002
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:40,880
plan that the applicant has is

1003
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:44,160
has a relatively small impact

1004
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,160
on the lot and on the area

1005
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,680
i have no additional

1006
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,680
comments

1007
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:58,800
uh at this point uh i'd like to call for

1008
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,800
a vote on the application from the board

1009
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,800
members

1010
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,440
i think the appropriate

1011
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:10,319
way to proceed would be to entertain a

1012
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,359
motion from a member of the board to

1013
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,640
either

1014
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:14,319
approve

1015
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,680
uh

1016
00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:21,680
to directly council to the board to

1017
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:23,839
either approve or deny the application

1018
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:27,040
and as we did with the last one i'll

1019
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:29,119
prepare a resolution to approve or deny

1020
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,839
give it to you all you and then you'll

1021
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,839
come

1022
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:38,319
it'll change your mind until you make

1023
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,319
the final approval

1024
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,920
right

1025
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,839
so we hear a motion

1026
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,839
to approve the application

1027
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,319
motion would be

1028
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,800
to

1029
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:55,760
directly counsel to the board to prepare

1030
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:59,400
a resolution to

1031
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,400
prove or deny

1032
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,520
to prepare resolutions

1033
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,000
one favor of that motion

1034
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,599
so yeah

1035
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,839
emotions motion's been approved

1036
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:37,119
so uh uh mr sussman our town attorney

1037
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:39,200
will prepare draft resolution

1038
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:41,599
right now attorneys for

1039
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,680
counsel to the board of justice i will

1040
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:45,520
prepare a draft resolution

1041
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,800
circulated to you with

1042
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,800
comments to come back to me

1043
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,040
notified

1044
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:08,720
just a point of clarification and then

1045
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,200
and only then could i issue a zoning

1046
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:13,200
permit to authorize the construction so

1047
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,040
we still have to wait for

1048
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,400
this board to sign their official

1049
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,280
decision before you can start

1050
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,440
construction again oh yes you did yeah

1051
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,280
always get that question and um

1052
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,040
fortunately i have to disappoint people

1053
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,440
so i wanted the board to disappoint you

1054
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,440
this time

1055
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,240
is hurting us financially

1056
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:34,240
waiting

1057
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,839
says

1058
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,720
thank the board very much thank you very

1059
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,040
much i'd like to make a motion uh would

1060
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,920
like to hear a motion uh to adjourn the

1061
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,160
meeting

1062
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,640
we still have more on the agenda last

1063
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:18,920
time josh all right

1064
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,920
again thank you thank you

1065
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:33,839
how long are these a week or two mr

1066
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:35,359
sussman gets the paperwork schedule a

1067
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:38,920
meeting it's posted

1068
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:38,920
we all get back together

1069
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,560
i think the

1070
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:53,920
uh you don't mind mr doherty

1071
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,359
last thing i think we want to take a

1072
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,560
look at is uh

1073
00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:00,240
board rules and procedures um

1074
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,160
everyone had a chance i know we had a

1075
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,280
copy emailed and there's a copy here in

1076
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,640
front of us

1077
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,839
um

1078
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,640
or the

1079
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:09,520
uh board of appeals rules and procedures

1080
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,359
um

1081
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,000
as far as i'm aware one of the the only

1082
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:16,400
changes we were

1083
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,240
considering was whether or not to extend

1084
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,160
the term for the chair and the vice

1085
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:22,800
chair considering we only meet

1086
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,319
a handful of times a year

1087
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,839
and whether or not we want it right now

1088
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:27,359
i think it's every year

1089
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:29,839
whether we wanted to bump that up to two

1090
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:29,839
years

1091
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,880
it seems reasonable to me

1092
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:38,640
i'm happy to

1093
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,240
leave it or entertain other suggestions

1094
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,400
or any other other rule changes that

1095
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,400
kind of

1096
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,839
aaron uh you

1097
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,280
if i may ask sharon is the

1098
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,520
term of office

1099
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,200
of the chair and the vice year in the

1100
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,440
zoning ordinance as well as the rules of

1101
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,839
procedure just the rules procedure if

1102
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,839
you know i know it's in the zoning

1103
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:06,000
ordinance

1104
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:08,480
so it would have to be a

1105
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,720
ordinance change if we did anything so

1106
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,760
if it's the sense of the if that's

1107
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:15,520
correct and if it's the sense of the

1108
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,400
members of the board that they would

1109
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,800
like to see uh the term of office of the

1110
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,280
chair of vice chair at two or three

1111
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,880
years or something other than one year

1112
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,520
then i think it would be appropriate for

1113
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,520
the board to

1114
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,839
adopt a motion to recommend to the mayor

1115
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,040
and council a

1116
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:36,240
change

1117
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,319
in the

1118
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:43,280
town code to that term and then if the

1119
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:44,319
mayor and council uh adopt an ordinance

1120
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,640
to

1121
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:50,560
make that change then we'd come back and

1122
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:52,400
amend the rules of procedure accordingly

1123
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,160
uh that sounds good um

1124
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,640
does anyone have thoughts or opinions on

1125
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,640
that before

1126
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,520
um i i would be in favor of extending

1127
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,359
the term

1128
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,640
uh in that case then i think we'll just

1129
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:08,079
go ahead and

1130
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:10,400
um put up a vote to adopt a motion to uh

1131
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:11,839
send a uh notice to the mayor of the

1132
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,520
council to

1133
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:16,160
make a change to the

1134
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,160
zoning warden

1135
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:20,400
the zoning ordinance to extend the term

1136
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:24,240
for um board of appeals

1137
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,240
chair and vice chair and nominees

1138
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,800
so

1139
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,800
how did we find

1140
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,119
i guess are we ready to vote on

1141
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,119
emotion

1142
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:47,119
all right let's uh let's put on a vote

1143
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,720
uh all in favor

1144
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:51,599
hi

1145
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:54,160
hi uh unanimously approved so

1146
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:57,920
at the co-see mr sussman for

1147
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,920
graphing motion or you're graphing the

1148
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:03,839
how do we get the paperwork to the

1149
00:49:00,839 --> 00:49:06,559
yeah sarah what would you recommend

1150
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:09,440
sarah what would you recommend uh that

1151
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:11,599
the motion be reflected in a minute and

1152
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,079
that you as clerk uh send the

1153
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:16,960
communication to the mayor uh that the

1154
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:18,160
board adopted this motion

1155
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,319
and

1156
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,480
leave it up to the mayor and council to

1157
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:26,079
decide how they would like to proceed on

1158
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,640
the motion as a request to the board

1159
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:31,760
yeah i can do that

1160
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,319
what did you want to extend the term to

1161
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,559
two years three years let's do two years

1162
00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:38,640
two years it's not overly burdensome to

1163
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:40,960
do this every year but uh

1164
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,960
okay

1165
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:45,200
thank you uh

1166
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,040
are there any other

1167
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,599
objections changes considerations we

1168
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,960
want to make to

1169
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,960
yeah rules and procedures

1170
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:02,319
i did receive i did read the uh

1171
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:02,319
procedures and i have no comments on

1172
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:06,480
but

1173
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,000
uh the only thing that this is probably

1174
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,800
more administrative than rules but it

1175
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,880
would

1176
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,480
it would be nice if i know things have

1177
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,920
to be posted publicly for a certain

1178
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,319
amount of time and it takes time for

1179
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,119
staff to prepare paperwork

1180
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:19,520
um

1181
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:22,160
if there's any way that uh

1182
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,200
we can squeeze the time between

1183
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,559
someone filing and us meeting i mean we

1184
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,480
might be

1185
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:29,839
we might be meeting as quickly as as

1186
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,440
humanly possible

1187
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:34,400
but

1188
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,400
if there's any any way that we can uh

1189
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,839
having seen how long it took the

1190
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,920
neighbors when the softwork order went

1191
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:41,599
down to when we finally actually got to

1192
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,480
hear from him it was uh it was a fairly

1193
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:43,680
long

1194
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,520
amount of time from someone who's

1195
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,880
actually having the work done so

1196
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,359
um i don't think there's anything the

1197
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,200
rules directly for that so maybe

1198
00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:52,000
if there's nothing we can do

1199
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,520
um

1200
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:58,240
well in the zoning code it does

1201
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,960
have the procedure as to you know the

1202
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:02,079
time the length of posting yeah and all

1203
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,319
of that

1204
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,319
um

1205
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,880
but i mean as long as i can get the uh

1206
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,640
advertisement in

1207
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,040
and the posting

1208
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,040
you know

1209
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:22,640
we maybe could do it in 30 days

1210
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,640
you know if everything is

1211
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:30,400
yeah we'll just we'll just try our best

1212
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,400
and if anything needs to change

1213
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:37,559
okay um

1214
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:37,559
any other business before the board

1215
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,480
case i make a motion

1216
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,800
to adjourn do i have a second i'll

1217
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:48,040
second it all right meeting adjourned

1218
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,040
thank you everybody

1219
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,119
so

1220
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,160
um