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The pledge of allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of

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America

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Um

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Dan Dval are in pre are present.

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Um and we are going to head right into

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it. Informational discussion on the

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following budget discussions. Um three

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different funds are going to be

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discussed. Uh general fund, mitigation

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fund, water reclamation fund, and this

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is I'm assume going to be the treasurer.

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So, I guess you you're going to sit

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there and do it.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Okay. All right.

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>> Uh, take it away.

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>> Great. Well, I don't know if we're going

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to have it on the screen or possibly.

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>> I think so.

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Well, we can wait a second.

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We get it. That That's promising.

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Well, as we're getting as we're getting

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there, I'll just give a brief uh

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preview. So, tonight is the mic on.

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>> Yeah.

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» Oh,

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>> look at that. All right.

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>> You've got some power. [laughter]

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>> We'll see if I could uh manipulate it.

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Um so, tonight we'll be going over the

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uh general fund, the mitigation fund,

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and the treatment fund budgets. uh you

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were provided copies of all these slides

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as well as some additional information

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uh in your packets last week. I've

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gotten some questions from some council

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members and have responded uh to them uh

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with those individual questions, but uh

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any other questions we have as we go

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along tonight uh you know it is work

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session so you know please uh you know

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just speak up on those.

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So, the uh first part of the of the

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general fund, we'll go over the general

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fund budget first. Uh I've made some

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notes that I'm going to skip through

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right now. You probably looked over

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those and most of those will be uh

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referred to as we go through the budget

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itself. So as we look at the

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spreadsheets for the budget, uh what you

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have in the first three columns are the

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uh three actual uh revenues for fiscal

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year 23, 24, and 25. And then in the uh

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fourth and fifth columns you have the

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current fiscal year 26 budget and the

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actual fiscal year 26 figures through

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February of uh this year. So eight

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months of the current fiscal year and

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then the final column is the fiscal year

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27 proposed budget which we will be uh

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referring to through most of the night.

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So as you start through the general

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fund, the first two pages are the

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revenues. Uh the first item being the

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real property tax revenue. Uh the rate

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is being uh proposed at 2977 cents which

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is the current rate. Uh this is actually

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slightly over the constant yield rate

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but uh historically that is the rate

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that's been set. uh by setting it at

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uh it will generate an additional

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$82,000 in real property tax. That's

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because the assessed values of

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properties in Chesapeake Beach have

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increased about $27 million.

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assessment keeping the rate the same

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generates additional revenue. So, you

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see the real property tax revenue uh

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estimated $3.2 million

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uh for fiscal year 27

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under the admission amusement taxes. And

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ones that have changed the most. Uh that

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is being projected at 2,18,000

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or $2.1 million in the budget. Uh the

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emission amusement taxes have increased

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about 400,000

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uh from fiscal year estimated for fiscal

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so I've increased that budget line item

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by uh 400,000.

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properties at a $139 per $100 of

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assessed value. Uh the property

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continues to go up each year and this is

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property held by Verizon and BGE on the

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public rightway.

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penalties. Uh you see that at $20,000.

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prior years. Included in there was the

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rental license fees and we've if you

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look at the line item under that uh

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we've taken $40,000 which is about what

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we've been collecting on the rental fees

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uh each year and put that in the

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separate category. That was at the

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request of a uh council member to show

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that separately and public has actually

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asked for that as well.

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decrease there. Uh that is because we're

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using uh you know some of our surplus to

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fund the water park project. So uh the

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assumption there is that we are going to

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earn about three and a quarter percent

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on the reserves we have of about 15

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million. So that comes to 487,500.

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see a slight decrease, which is you know

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kind of been the uh trend that we see as

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people move from cable TV services into

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direct TV and some of the other uh

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providers. the franchise fee that we get

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from that uh decreases.

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that to increase. Uh we're in the

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process of negotiating a new contract

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with a a camera company uh to do the

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administration of that which would

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provide additional revenues to the town

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over what uh we are currently getting

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which as you can see is you know about

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12 thou about 20,000 anticipated for

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this year and has been about in that

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range in the prior years.

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Um, jumping down to state income taxes,

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we're seeing about a 6% increase in uh,

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state income taxes over a three-year

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average. Uh, it's actually been higher

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than that this year. So, I projected

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that at 1 million uh, 987,000.

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Uh, highway users revenue is at 579,000.

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state. uh they will be providing usually

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a updated one after the general

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session's complete but it should be in

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that range.

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um state aid for police protection uh at

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which is where we are now. Again, that's

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another uh source that I'll get updated

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figures before uh the budget's adopted,

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but it won't uh vary significantly from

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that amount.

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transfers in from fund balance for the

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water park of 16.9 million. Uh these are

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revenues that you know were you know

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surplus funds as well as the sale of the

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bonds that we will not be using in

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fiscal year 26 that will roll over into

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as well as the uh general or I'm sorry

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the state bond bills for the water park

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and 1.1 million. We won't recognize that

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until fiscal year 27 either. Total those

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together is $18 million. And on the

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expenditure side of the uh general fund

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budget, you'll see that $18 million

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figure being used uh for the

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construction costs on the other side. Um

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the other transfer in a fund balance of

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is the amount of surplus funds that are

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being put into the general fund to

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balance the budget. Um and you know a

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large portion of that is you know for

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capital projects that uh we're

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anticipating doing u which I'll go

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through the capital projects as we get

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as well. So when you take all those

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revenues into consideration and the fund

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balance carryover

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uh the total revenue or budget will be

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29 million26,000.

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So, I'll stop there if you want and you

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side if you have any.

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revenue side?

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>> I have a question.

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>> Um the tripling of the amount of revenue

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for speed cameras, are we changing

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anything? Is that the plan or what what

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brought that? [sighs and gasps]

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Uh we're not changing anything as far as

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what we are charging per violation. Uh

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apparently when the town entered into

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the agreement with the current vendor

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for uh those speed cameras, we basically

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wrote on the uh Calvert County contract,

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>> which uh under that contract, the town

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pays a certain amount per month to that

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vendor, which is for each camera that

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the town has. And there's three cameras

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and they charge us $3,900 per camera. So

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that's roughly $12,000

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a month that we uh are charged for the

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vendor charges us for running the

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cameras. Uh we make about $10,000 a

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uh from violations that we collect. So

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we don't make any money because we pay

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the vendor more than what we are

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collecting.

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Um that contract has expired

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and there's other uh vendors out there

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that have different uh cost structures

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for how they charge for the operation of

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the cameras. Uh and you know so instead

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of paying a fixed amount for the camera,

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you could pay them to process the

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violations and they will charge. So, if

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the cameras, it's a $40 ticket. Is it

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40? Yeah, $40 ticket. Uh, you know, the

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fees for processing it, uh, in the

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contracts that I've seen I have have at

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other jurisdictions, you know, charge

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like $15 for a violation. So, the vendor

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gets 15, the town would get the

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difference about $25.

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So, it's not charging any of the

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violators anymore. It's just how we are

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sharing the monies that that are

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collected with the vendor. So that's how

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we generate the additional amount of

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revenue.

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>> Okay. So the speed is staying the same.

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>> and the price per violation is staying

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the same and the only thing anticipated

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for change is

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>> admin costs.

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>> Yep. when the when we were I believe

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under negotiation with uh we're looking

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at other companies that have or not

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other companies other towns that have

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actually bid out their speed camera

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services recently and are possibly going

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to ride on one of those contracts if it

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is comparable to our contracts.

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>> Okay. And

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>> which would generate the sharing as I

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>> Thank you.

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>> Yep. Good question.

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line item for um [clears throat]

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our site rental. It says in the notes

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move to utility fund. Um doesn't seem to

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be any revenue for 24 25

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um 26. Was it uh moved be prior or do we

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not have any revenues coming into that?

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>> Because it was it was uh moved into the

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utility fund at the end of fiscal year

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23. So when we get to utility fund

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budget at next month's meeting, you'll

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see terror site revenues in there for 24

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going forward.

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>> Okay. So, it's just it's still showing

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here because, you know, we're showing

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the actuals back to 23 and that's where

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it was in 23.

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>> Gotcha. Okay. Uh, one other question.

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Um, you mentioned a million something

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for um balancing the budget and other

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revenue sources.

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>> Yes.

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>> Um, what was that exact number and what

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number is that lumped into?

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Um it's actually by itself under uh

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under other revenue sources. The second

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item down account 430135

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>> and it's 1,898,

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Got it.

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>> 139.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Mhm.

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>> Is is that number coming out of the

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capital improvement budget that we did

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not expend or

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>> um it's just prior year surplus that uh

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you know the town has. We have over $15

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million in surplus uh and [snorts] uh

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that is being pulled from that in order

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to balance the budget. So it's being

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used to cover the expense side of the

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budget. And then the capital

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expenditures I look at as capital

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expenditures I think it's like $3.9

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million.

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So 1.2 million of that is being uh

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covered with current year's revenue or

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fiscal year 27 revenues and the other

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1.8 is being covered from uh savings.

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It's a way to look at it.

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So in this budget, did you assume a

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reconciliation of our capital

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improvement budget?

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>> What do you mean by that?

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>> Like this fiscal year, fiscal year 2026,

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there's lots of money that went

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unexpended

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>> on capital improvements.

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>> Um that wasn't included in that

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estimated 15 million or so of reserves.

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that number will probably increase to

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17 or 18 million because [clears throat]

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I would anticipate there's probably two

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to three million of unspent capital

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items uh this year that will roll over.

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So that will increase our uh surplus.

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>> Okay. So but as of today and this budget

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that revenue is still available and not

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accounted for here.

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>> Correct. Yeah. So if you want to expend

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it by the end of [snorts]

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26, June of 30th, then it won't roll.

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>> Unlikely we will have time. But yes.

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That is

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>> why I'm asking.

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>> Yes.

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All right. So as we um go into the

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expenditure side um you know some of the

348
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I've reformatted some of the uh expenses

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within departments I've added in some uh

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new line items which I thought you know

351
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after looking over the budget over the

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last year would made more sense. So some

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of the account names might be a little

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different on a few of them and then lump

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you know I've carved out a separate

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department for recreation which some of

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their salaries and seasonal staff and

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costs are moved into there out of wreck

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ops or whatever other line items they

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were in. I've also added a new uh

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section for uh committees so that you

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know they would all be in one place

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instead of kind of spread out within the

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budget. So I'll point those out uh as we

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go through as well. Um so at the bottom

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of the first page uh it starts out with

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the salary and benefits and these are

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for the general government staff. uh

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there is a separate salary schedule

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which I believe we do that in a closed

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session uh last year uh to show the

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breakdown you know between each employee

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and what's included in there but in

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general uh throughout the uh departments

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uh there's about a 5.7%

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uh increase uh which uh the cost of

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living January over January of uh 25 to

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26 six is currently 2.7%. So about 2.7%

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of that is factored in as a uh cost of

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living and then there's a average of

381
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about a 3% uh merit in there. So when

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you look at you know the different

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salaries department yeartoyear you know

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that's you know going to be part of the

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differences in there for for most

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departments. as we get into the

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treatment plant that will be a little

388
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different and we'll touch base on that

389
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and what's uh you know going on in their

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salaries uh when we get to the treatment

391
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plant budget.

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So at the top of the next page we start

393
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getting into uh operating costs.

394
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[snorts] Uh again I won't touch on all

395
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the items just you know some of the ones

396
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that have some changes. So the audit uh

397
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it was bid out three years ago. It does

398
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have a increase each year. Uh so that's

399
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increased to 34,000 and the cost of that

400
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spread out amongst the different funds.

401
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,559
So you see the increase here to 8,500

402
00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,039
for the general fund.

403
00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,799
Uh legal counsel which includes costs

404
00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:51,280
for the town attorney. uh the board of

405
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appeals, the lobbyist,

406
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,520
uh it's estimated 120,000

407
00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,120
uh planning and zoning uh increase in

408
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the uh hours for the planner. So you see

409
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an increase under the planning and

410
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zoning under engineering.

411
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uh that cost is actually uh decreased

412
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and the reason for that is uh we're

413
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costing the uh cost of the engineer to

414
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,000
the projects he's working on. So if he's

415
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working on the water park, it's gone

416
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,200
water park. If he's working on uh you

417
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,960
know other projects uh goes there. So in

418
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doing analysis it looks like you know

419
00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,000
the cost for general works about 60,000

420
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,799
projects that aren't underway. uh other

421
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general follow-up work

422
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,270
um

423
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so under printing and publications

424
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uh had that as a two $12,000 decrease

425
00:20:56,559 --> 00:20:59,440
and you know it it looks more in line

426
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,440
with the prior years and I was trying to

427
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,640
figure out why we had $18,000 allocated

428
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,320
this year and looks like we had put

429
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,280
$8,000 in there for newsletter which I

430
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,960
don't know if we're doing that or not.

431
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,480
So, I don't know whether to leave that

432
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,600
in there or not. Uh so, currently it's

433
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not included.

434
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,440
Um

435
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,360
under

436
00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:24,080
uh bank and credit card fees that was

437
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,159
previously called professional fees,

438
00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:28,000
which I don't really consider bank and

439
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,240
credit card fees professional fees, so I

440
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,520
changed the name uh there. Um, and it

441
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320
was budgeted 67,000 this year, but we

442
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,360
did have a public relations fee

443
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,080
consultant included in there. Again, I

444
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,600
don't know if that's something that's,

445
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,120
you know, we didn't do this year.

446
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:48,799
Haven't done it yet, and I don't know if

447
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,559
that's going to be included, so I did

448
00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,880
not put it in.

449
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,720
Um,

450
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,640
the health department, uh, we are paying

451
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rent there. It hasn't been budgeted in

452
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,840
the past in the past, but it has been

453
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,880
incurred in the last two years. So, you

454
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,520
know, figure that's something that we do

455
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:14,240
need to budget for. Um, grants to local

456
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,000
organizations.

457
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,440
Um, currently, uh, it's budgeted 76,000.

458
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,960
Uh, most of the items, uh, included in

459
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:31,280
there. And let me see if we got it. Here

460
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,240
there's the 76,000 in the in the right

461
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,200
column. So most of the organizations

462
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,640
are the same uh and funded at the same

463
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,960
levels this current year with the

464
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,039
exception of Chesapeake Beach Railway

465
00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,799
Museum. We've increased that from 1,500

466
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:50,720
to 5,000.

467
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,360
Uh and then we've added SmartCon in

468
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,799
there, which is an organization we uh

469
00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:59,440
provided some funding for this year and

470
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,440
then the Chesapeake Health for the

471
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birthing center at 50,000.

472
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,840
Um

473
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,159
the smaller amounts with the exception

474
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:10,799
of the railway as it's highlighted

475
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,960
there. I'm waiting on final allocation

476
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,039
from the mayor. We are reaching out some

477
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:18,559
of those organizations to um you know

478
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:20,480
see what their needs are because we

479
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,400
haven't gotten a lot of feedback from

480
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,200
them or requests for this year. So they

481
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,799
may change before um you know the next

482
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:32,880
draft of the budget that you get.

483
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,116
Um

484
00:23:36,126 --> 00:23:38,559
[gasps] I guess we'd go back to special

485
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:42,400
events. So, special events budget um you

486
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,430
see it's increased from 195,233.

487
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,080
Uh some of the notes on the right here

488
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,159
will let you know tell you where some of

489
00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:55,440
those figures come from. I believe about

490
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,120
12,000 or so uh events that we've done,

491
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,200
but they've been costed to the

492
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760
recreation operation line item of the

493
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,360
budget. and we're trying to uh there's a

494
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,280
lot of things lumped into that account.

495
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,159
So, we are trying to

496
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:15,039
uh move them out into their own line

497
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:19,360
items. So, you see the ones highlighted

498
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,320
uh say move from rec ops and then there

499
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:27,120
is some other uh um events that have

500
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,240
been added in there as well. So, you

501
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,440
know, it looks like a a larger increase

502
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,720
uh from 195 233, but some of those were

503
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,039
allocated elsewhere. Uh there are some

504
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:42,080
newer ones and some additional funding

505
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,679
for existing ones.

506
00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:47,279
Um

507
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:50,950
go back to

508
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,360
the

509
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,279
deputy.

510
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:59,679
Um so at top of uh page three uh you see

511
00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:01,840
the police deputy and residents line

512
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,559
item uh the 1,454,000

513
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,799
is the estimate we received from the

514
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,720
sheriff's office. There is a detailed

515
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,720
breakdown in your packet. I won't and

516
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,200
also up on the screen but I won't refer

517
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,039
back to that. um you know they reconcile

518
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,039
that at the end of each year and then

519
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:24,640
either give us a credit back or um you

520
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,360
know charge us additional uh for fiscal

521
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:32,400
year uh 25 we did get a credit back that

522
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,720
was uh about I think it was about

523
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520
100,000 less that got credited against

524
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,559
our bills for the current year.

525
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,520
Uh we added a new line item in for

526
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,559
satellite uh for a satellite police

527
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,720
office. Apparently they had a satellite

528
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,039
office at Fishing Creek which no longer

529
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:56,640
exists. Um and so they are looking for

530
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,960
uh a new location. Uh so we've put money

531
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,880
in there to possibly rent space uh for

532
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,559
them, but you know there could be other

533
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,600
options to do that as well. Uh but

534
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,960
that's a a figure that was put in there

535
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,919
based on you know renting a space at

536
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:19,760
current rates. Uh for that

537
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,400
uh North Beach Volunteer Fire Department

538
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,480
uh allocated uh 50,000 donations same as

539
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,960
it's been for you know at least the last

540
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,200
five years.

541
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,039
uh the uh salary and benefit line items.

542
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,840
These are for public works and we also

543
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,919
had some items here that were for

544
00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:42,320
recreation. So you could see the payroll

545
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,880
taxes, recreation and recreation ops

546
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,960
salary. I've noted that they've been

547
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,799
moved to a separate budget uh item. So

548
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,840
you can see I kept the prior years here

549
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,240
so you could see where they were in

550
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,919
prior years. And then when we get down

551
00:26:57,919 --> 00:27:00,640
to the wreck uh department line items,

552
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,919
you'll see that we moved it down there.

553
00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:07,440
Uh salary and wages for public works uh

554
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,000
you know 605,000.

555
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,919
That one's a larger increase because

556
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:18,960
there is a additional staff full-time uh staff

557
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,600
want to say a uh

558
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,440
labor beginning, you know, someone at

559
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,200
the beginning of the the scale. uh going

560
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,520
into that department or it's being

561
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,440
proposed. And then you see the uh

562
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,760
payroll related uh taxes and benefits

563
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,240
for them. Uh when you get under public

564
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,400
works supplies, first item is the

565
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,799
gasoline and tolls.

566
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,760
Um that has gone up uh you know

567
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,640
currently because of uh different

568
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,679
allocation. We're now allocating 80% of

569
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:56,000
the gas uh charge. This is for the

570
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,120
vehicles to uh public works and 20% to

571
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:05,360
the utility fund. It was at 5050. Uh Jay

572
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,960
has asked you know looked at that and uh

573
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,360
thinks that the breakdown should be 8020

574
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,480
instead of 5050. So that's where part of

575
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,640
the increase is there. Uh with the price

576
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,039
of gas going up now that may have to be

577
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,679
increased uh you know if it stays up

578
00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:23,600
high. So we may need to put additional

579
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,080
money there.

580
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,240
under the public works contracted

581
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,189
services and fees. Um the holiday lights

582
00:28:32,189 --> 00:28:34,720
[clears throat] is at 175,000. That

583
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,320
includes the uh current contracts for

584
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,520
the electrician and basically the

585
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,399
installer for all of the lights and

586
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:45,679
company that does the maintenance

587
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:48,799
windmill farms of 130,000.

588
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,600
Uh new displays for the coming year at

589
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,320
35,000 then additional 10 for

590
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,279
miscellaneous costs.

591
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:01,120
uh trash removal service uh possible 8%

592
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,880
increase which built into their

593
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,520
contract. Uh brings it up to 681,000.

594
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Uh trash removal uh cans at Kellum's

595
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,600
Field is a new line item. Uh and if you

596
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,679
need to, Jake could elaborate a little

597
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:17,600
further on this if you have questions,

598
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,039
but it's uh new service to pick up uh

599
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,039
you know trash from the cans at Kellums

600
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:24,720
and throughout the town. And I can't

601
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,240
remember how many cans there are, but

602
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,720
there are quite a few of those. And you

603
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,720
know, this seemed to be an efficiency

604
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,120
request uh uh to do this.

605
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,789
Um

606
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,200
so most of the other items to get down

607
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600
to snow and ice removal, you know, are

608
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,399
pretty much in line with uh prior years.

609
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:48,640
Under the snow and ice removal, you

610
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,840
know, obviously 26 was an unusual year.

611
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,360
you know, we're over budget there.

612
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,799
Currently at 110,000 vers versus 50,000

613
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,760
budget. Uh prior years were a lot less

614
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,480
than that. Um so, you know, kind of

615
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,320
split the difference and put it in at

616
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,279
70. Hopefully, we'll have a you know,

617
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:12,720
another uh easy year in fiscal year 27,

618
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,240
but you know, [clears throat]

619
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,000
we definitely have to allocate just in

620
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,080
case.

621
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,399
At the uh top of the next page, we get

622
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:23,279
into the recreation line items. And

623
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,679
here's where, you know, we've uh

624
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:28,159
generated uh you know, some accounts

625
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:30,240
separately for the recck department. So,

626
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,279
the wreck operation salary is the office

627
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,520
staff uh that forms the recreation

628
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,480
uh recreational uh duties.

629
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,360
uh the seasonal wages for Kellums or for

630
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,159
the seasonal staff that that works at

631
00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:48,000
the Kellums for the events that happen

632
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,080
there. That was previously costed under

633
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,200
wops. Uh which again, you know, I felt

634
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,600
that we should break out and show it so

635
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,039
you know, it'd be easier to see what

636
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,799
we're spending uh on those costs. and

637
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:02,960
similar to

638
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,840
uh the seasonal Bayfront Park staff. So,

639
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,600
that was under a different line item,

640
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,360
but it was had had a different uh name

641
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,159
to it, which I didn't really think uh

642
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:18,320
told you what it was for. Uh so, we put

643
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,320
that into a separate line item and then

644
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,559
they have direct department has their

645
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,600
own breakout for their taxes and

646
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,240
benefits that you could see under there.

647
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,799
Um it's blank for all the actuals in

648
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,640
prior years because those were all shown

649
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,840
under the public works figure and within

650
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,279
the public works department

651
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,080
uh for the subcommittees uh you know I

652
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,919
mentioned before you know these were

653
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:45,760
spread out throughout the budget in

654
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,039
various places so I've uh went and

655
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,039
combined them one place so that they're

656
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,159
easy to see. Uh there was a new one

657
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:56,480
added for the walkability committee of

658
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,240
$10,000.

659
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,200
Uh the other ones uh the opioid

660
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,480
awareness uh committee the green team

661
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,519
and seabbox were uh you know already

662
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,360
existing

663
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,559
uh accounts

664
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,440
uh new line item under debt service uh

665
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,559
which is 500,000 you know by the middle

666
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,279
of May or you know we'll know what that

667
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,240
actual figure will be uh but you know

668
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,880
I'm estimating it to be about 500,000

669
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,880
that's the annual ual debt service that

670
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,600
will be on the water park. Uh debt

671
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,279
service that will be going to market in

672
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:39,840
May. Uh and that's based on a 15-year

673
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,559
payback starting fiscal year 27 through

674
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:45,919
fiscal year 42

675
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:48,480
under capital expenditures for the water

676
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,159
park. That's where you see the 18

677
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:52,399
million which is the actual construction

678
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:54,640
cost. The operating budget will be

679
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,279
presented uh at the May work session. Uh

680
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,440
we're working on that now. It'll be the

681
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,000
first year it's operational again in I

682
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,880
guess three years. So uh you know we're

683
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,039
kind of starting from scratch again and

684
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:10,880
you know generating that budget. So it's

685
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,840
taking a little longer. Uh saddle

686
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,760
replacement is something that was

687
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,080
requested by the public works director

688
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,159
and when I'm done I think he could

689
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:22,559
probably add little or add more

690
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,240
information

691
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,480
uh regarding to what that request is

692
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,240
for.

693
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,880
And then last item is the capital

694
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,039
expenditures

695
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:37,919
which uh yeah is 3,867,000.

696
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:41,120
So under the fiscal year 27 column you

697
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,600
could see what those projects are and

698
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,120
I'll go through them briefly. So um you

699
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,960
know the asphalt overlay and road

700
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,240
repairs these are the HU highway user

701
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,399
funded projects. So it's the road work

702
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:58,480
that we do within the town. Um we

703
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,080
currently have about $1.4 million in

704
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,919
reserve funds [clears throat] you know

705
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:05,600
that we've accumulated over the years

706
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,840
that we haven't used yet.

707
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,000
So what I did is I took that 1.4 million

708
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,560
allocated over the next five years and

709
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,159
then added in the uh projected

710
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,079
uh annual

711
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,040
HQR benefit that we'll get which you

712
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,599
know I had touched on

713
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,240
uh on the revenue side. So for fiscal

714
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:32,310
year 27

715
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,960
that was 579,000.

716
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,919
So, I just said, "Okay, for the next

717
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:39,599
five years, we're going to get somewhere

718
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,639
in that range. Plus, we have the 1.4

719
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,280
million uh surplus

720
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,599
uh of highway users revenue funds. I

721
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,280
divide that equally, and that's how we

722
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,599
get the 879,000

723
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,399
a year for five years.

724
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:58,880
Uh the 261 connectivity trail connection

725
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520
and design, uh that's the estimate that

726
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,040
we have from Mexican Associates. uh you

727
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,760
know to do the design work. You know,

728
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,760
you all know the conversations that have

729
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,079
been had with that. It could be more, it

730
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,640
could be less. We could be getting state

731
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,359
highway users money to help fund that.

732
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:19,200
We might not be getting highway users

733
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,400
revenue. So, I've just put it in to the

734
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,154
budget for for discussion purposes that

735
00:35:26,154 --> 00:35:26,800
[clears throat]

736
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,359
that the design is there if we want to

737
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:34,160
pay 100% of it. Um, you know, we could

738
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,480
decide where we go from there. Uh, the

739
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,480
railway trail extension. Um, I had again

740
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,119
gotten ballpark estimates from Mecan

741
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,760
Associates of what it would cost to

742
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,560
actually design uh the railway trail. He

743
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,800
said 150,000.

744
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,040
And then the estimated construction cost

745
00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:00,480
is 2 million. So, I've broken out the uh

746
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,400
assumed that the design would take place

747
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,520
in 27, probably take, you know, a while

748
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,240
to do the design. Uh we may be able to

749
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,200
start construction during 27. So, I put

750
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,040
a half a million dollars in 27 to start

751
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,240
construction and then that would go over

752
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,400
two years. You know, as we get closer,

753
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,640
maybe it would only be a year. So the

754
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,640
two million construction cost is spread

755
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,520
out over three years.

756
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,520
Uh the sign and wfairing projects uh I

757
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,000
believe that's for the trails as well uh

758
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,320
kept at 25,000.

759
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,760
The uh boardwalk sidewalk railway trail

760
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,880
maintenance uh we budget that at 100,000

761
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,040
a year. So that just continued that for

762
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,880
the five years. uh coastal resiliency if

763
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,760
it happens doesn't isn't projected until

764
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,119
fiscal year 28. Uh storm drainage

765
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,400
improvements again is uh an item that we

766
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,839
budgeted 100,000 a year for. Uh there

767
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:05,359
are uh improvements to the town hall for

768
00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:07,680
the chamber conference room and lobby at

769
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,920
85,000.

770
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,320
uh town hall sidewalk flooring and

771
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,320
carpet at 60 and property improvement

772
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,400
behind the town hall which basically the

773
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,800
house that we purchased I don't know it

774
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,680
was a couple years ago uh if we want to

775
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,960
do some improvements there uh that's at

776
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,640
50,000

777
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,440
uh the truck replacement in the toolk

778
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,119
are requests from the public works

779
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:37,119
director uh at 70 and 90,000

780
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,150
and

781
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,760
the

782
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,720
Veterans Park bricks. Can you help me

783
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,880
with that one, Jay? Is that replacing

784
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,320
the existing bricks or

785
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,480
>> including that? Um, and maybe some

786
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,000
different technologies and also some

787
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,630
benches and some general maintenance.

788
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,280
» And then we get into the Kellum's Park.

789
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,920
Again, this this is, you know, we've got

790
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,040
the concept planned for the park. We had

791
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,440
about 10 or 12 line items in past

792
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,079
budgets that we were like piece mealing

793
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,200
together. So going forward, it looks

794
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,880
like we're going to be dealing with the

795
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,320
concept design, refining that uh putting

796
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,160
those uh designing the full concept and

797
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,520
putting the building plans together. So

798
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,160
it's anticipated that that would uh

799
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,079
start in 27 and then the construction

800
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,760
cost is estimated at $5 million. So

801
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,599
again allocating part of the

802
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:44,720
construction is happen in uh 27 and then

803
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:48,880
proceed forward through 28 and 29 and

804
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,680
maybe it'll be sooner uh maybe it will

805
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,800
need to be stretched out.

806
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,880
Um

807
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,880
the last two items are the veterans park

808
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,720
upgrades uh of 50,000

809
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,280
that includes late speakers and concrete

810
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,119
repairs. And then there's the uh kayak

811
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:15,200
launch at 50,000 which previously was

812
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,599
thought to be done with POSOS funding

813
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,240
but as we research POSOS funding there

814
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,119
really isn't any POSOS monies available

815
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,760
to do any projects at the county. Um so

816
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,440
if we're going to do that it would need

817
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,839
to be done oursel and therefore uh

818
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:33,920
that's why it's being budgeted as the

819
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,320
capital project.

820
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,359
Um, so I think that's the main capital

821
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:43,200
projects and I think that's the last

822
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,320
item within the budget, right?

823
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,069
>> Yep.

824
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,800
» A lot. But if you have any questions,

825
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,839
we'll answer those. A lot of questions.

826
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:57,040
>> Any questions? Go ahead, Jamie.

827
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,292
>> I have a few questions. Um,

828
00:39:59,292 --> 00:40:00,560
[clears throat] I'll I'm going to go

829
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,400
through I'm gonna go page by page if you

830
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,920
don't mind. Um,

831
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,119
>> tell her where tell us where we're

832
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:05,520
starting.

833
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,160
>> Right. So, starting on at the top where

834
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,640
it says legal counsel, the last six is

835
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,720
620600.

836
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,119
It talks about Bank of America fees at

837
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:19,440
18,000 under legal fees. Is this just US

838
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,720
>> actually board of appeals?

839
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,400
>> Board of Appeals. Okay. Somebody told me

840
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,680
it was Bank of America. That's what I

841
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,160
was saying.

842
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,240
>> That is Yeah,

843
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,079
>> I was like, that's why I Why are we

844
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,160
paying Bank of America there? Okay,

845
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,240
perfect question. Thank you.

846
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,440
Um um okay and then I just had a

847
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,839
comment. Are we I I do see throughout

848
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:40,160
Comcast coming up quite a bit. Are are

849
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,960
we going to explore uh like think big as

850
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,520
well as an opportunity to upgrade uh the

851
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,839
town's infrastructure? I mean we're going all over the community. Uh

852
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:51,200
there might be an opportunity to

853
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,359
decrease our utility costs uh and go

854
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:55,680
fiber uh at the same time. As I was

855
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,240
looking throughout a couple uh a couple

856
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,440
of these, um I did have a question. Uh

857
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,040
if you go about halfway down the same

858
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,560
page, uh 624800, it says health

859
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,000
department rent. Um

860
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000
what is that? I don't I don't know where

861
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,280
that's that's at.

862
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,839
>> Could you help me on that?

863
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:19,200
>> So, we have an agreement with the health

864
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,760
department to share space. So we cost

865
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,760
share the space that they have over

866
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,599
where the old library was.

867
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,440
>> So they're in a smaller space. They're

868
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
currently renovating to move into to

869
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,280
take over the space where the library

870
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,520
was, but there are a lot of uh town

871
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,680
residents who seek medical services

872
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,240
there.

873
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:37,920
>> Okay. Okay. I didn't know that. That's

874
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,128
awesome. Okay. Thank you. Um

875
00:41:42,128 --> 00:41:44,390
[clears throat]

876
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,720
do we have any clarity on the trash

877
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,200
services for Kellums in the town, Jay?

878
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,800
like what like what that frequency is

879
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,720
going to look like.

880
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,800
>> I plugged in some money and I'm working

881
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,720
on some prices, but basically we used to

882
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,119
have a trash person and the the biggest

883
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,680
role was they were semi-retired. The

884
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,440
town didn't pay them benefits. They were

885
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,599
able to work weekends, which when the

886
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,040
water park opens and everything, it's

887
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,640
our biggest demand. So, I want to look

888
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,680
at somehow going back to there if we can

889
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,200
find the right person, the right thing,

890
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,599
cuz we have 40 trash cans now that we

891
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,040
empty throughout town. We do three

892
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,960
trashs a week, which is great. and we

893
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,599
have the staff, but I going to have to

894
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,040
start bringing them in on weekends again

895
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,119
to do up and down 260, do the rail

896
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:26,720
trails, the parking lot. So, I'm just

897
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,960
exploring. I think it's more cost

898
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,480
beneficial in the town to get a better

899
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:31,760
product if we can find the right

900
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,000
individual to do it. We used to have one

901
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,839
Allen Brown and if he's listening, I

902
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:37,119
thank you for doing what you did for

903
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,280
many years. But, um, he was a perfect

904
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,400
fit for it. And

905
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,599
>> so, I want to explore that. I think

906
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,839
it'll be more cost effective

907
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,760
>> to have a lower level person designated

908
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,880
to do that.

909
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,400
>> Okay. Thank you. Sure.

910
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,904
>> Um and then I'll flip over to the

911
00:42:50,904 --> 00:42:52,560
[clears throat] capital uh capital

912
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,230
budgets page.

913
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,839
Um

914
00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:59,680
so I'll [clears throat] start from the

915
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,560
bottom and work my way up, but um the

916
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,839
Veterans Park has two $50,000

917
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:09,680
uh uh pieces in here. Um, so there was a

918
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,720
meeting uh a few weeks ago related to

919
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,520
the revitalization of uh or whatever

920
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,880
acronym or verb we want to put in front

921
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,280
of that um of of Veterans Park because

922
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,480
if you go over there I mean it's a

923
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,560
beautiful park. It's stunning when you

924
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,240
come down and see the bay. But if you

925
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,839
actually get up close, there's a lot of

926
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:27,680
wear and tear because it's, you know,

927
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,000
next to the water and and it's showing

928
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,760
its age and and there was some

929
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,160
conversations about um how to um honor

930
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,800
uh uh veterans more appropriately. Um so

931
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,160
there was like a little group that met

932
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,680
and there's some conversations that are

933
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,280
ongoing. However, because of that, uh I

934
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,520
think we wanted to pause. There's

935
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,960
actually a question around restoring

936
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,640
bricks and even finding out who's on the

937
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,079
current bricks. So, I don't think we

938
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,720
want to uh have any funding in there

939
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,960
right now for uh specifically for

940
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,119
bricks, but I would ask Jay like what do

941
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,880
we what what would you need I know as we

942
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,880
have to have that conversation maybe

943
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,200
repurposing this for the design that we

944
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,599
would like to do versus um

945
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:15,040
putting it in here for Rex.

946
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,920
>> Sure. So, I think the original 50,000

947
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,079
where it says lights and when it's when

948
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:21,839
the mayor first became mayor, we went

949
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:23,760
back over there. It used to have lights

950
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,119
in the fountain. They used to have a few

951
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,319
things that we were going to try to

952
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:29,280
restore. The second 50,000. I'm not 100%

953
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,040
sure if that was allocated just to the

954
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,720
bricks or something else.

955
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,079
>> Just to the bricks.

956
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,440
So, that may have

957
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,440
been from the original plan to replace

958
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,480
the bricks and now we may moving may be

959
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,000
moving to something different.

960
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,079
>> Okay. So, I'm wondering then if that's

961
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,240
where we would maybe look to

962
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,319
>> you want to remove it or just have it

963
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:51,760
say veteran park revitalization instead

964
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,119
of specifying bricks.

965
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:55,520
>> I would probably swap it to that so we

966
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,839
can use it for the design discussions.

967
00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:59,839
Uh and and that and it's not to I don't

968
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:01,280
mean to catch the council or anybody

969
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,880
offguard. It literally was a

970
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,319
conversation we just had and there's a

971
00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:06,240
lot of things we had to it wasn't ready

972
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,560
to be presented. So, um but obviously

973
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,640
we're at budget time. So, um, yeah, I

974
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,200
think just swapping it to that and we

975
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,280
can partner use it for

976
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,200
>> I think that makes a lot of sense.

977
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,400
>> Yeah. Um, and then I'm I'm so sorry. I I

978
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,040
went um I skipped one piece on the

979
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,720
council member. What is it we want to

980
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,640
do? Change the name or you lump it

981
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,880
together with the other 50,000. You

982
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,680
could just um I think you could probably

983
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,160
just remove the bricks and lump it in

984
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,319
with the

985
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:38,319
veteran park upgrades and make that

986
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:38,960
100,000.

987
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,960
>> Yeah. So you don't have two line items.

988
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,640
I'm not an accountant, but that sounds

989
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,160
simple. So um and I'm sorry, I I did

990
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,000
make a mistake on um on the grants

991
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,480
piece in there um to local

992
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,480
organizations. Mayor, if you remember,

993
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,319
uh I'm going to advocate for the Bucks a

994
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:00,160
little bit here. There was discussions

995
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,760
about a one-time increase, uh to 10,000

996
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,960
versus 5,000. And the the purpose was

997
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,000
they were going to uh purchase the

998
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,400
concussion pads that go on all the

999
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,280
helmets for all the teams uh moving

1000
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:16,880
forward. And I and I think they were

1001
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,800
going to cost all share a piece of that,

1002
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,440
but uh I would encourage us just for a

1003
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,520
one time. Uh, I know we I know it's

1004
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,960
pretty steady across the board.

1005
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,480
Everybody's around the 5,000 mark, but

1006
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,920
for a one time to to support youth

1007
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,560
safety, um, increasing that from 5,000

1008
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,560
to 10,000,

1009
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,720
>> I think that's fine.

1010
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:37,359
Get that down.

1011
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:39,760
>> I think they missed their 5,000 payment

1012
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,000
like two years ago anyway.

1013
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,599
>> Yeah. And there's some nuances to it

1014
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,240
where it was only allowed for like

1015
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,560
scholarships. Um, and I I think

1016
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,240
collectively as a town, you like safety

1017
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,160
equipment is a very important thing in a contact sport. So, allowing them to

1018
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,960
do that uh would be really nice. But,

1019
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,800
okay, thank you. Uh, that's all I have.

1020
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Thanks.

1021
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,190
>> Anybody else? Eric, you got anything?

1022
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,640
» We probably should have something in

1023
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,000
here for uh goals over at Kellum. Soccer

1024
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,760
goals.

1025
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,880
>> We're going to hold you hostage. Maybe

1026
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,960
we can put uh maybe we can put a a

1027
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,760
singular line item in, you know, for

1028
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,760
like $5,000 for soccer goals at Kellum's

1029
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,200
Park.

1030
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,599
>> Where' that go?

1031
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:29,359
>> It goes when the capital

1032
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:29,680
Yeah.

1033
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,079
>> Yeah. When you vote for the capital, I

1034
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,319
got it included. think that I propose

1035
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,800
that we add a line item

1036
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,400
under the already two existing KMS Park

1037
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:46,800
items that says uh soccer goals $5,000

1038
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,480
bullet point

1039
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,870
>> or that line item

1040
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,400
» I don't think it needs its own line

1041
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,800
idle. Yeah, it should have its own line

1042
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,800
item, so it gets done. It's [laughter]

1043
00:47:58,800 --> 00:47:59,839
>> like,

1044
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:02,400
>> well, it was already captured in the

1045
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,480
revitalization plan.

1046
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,280
>> There you go.

1047
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,800
>> Own line item. He wants to see

1048
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,040
>> No, he wants to see not vote for the

1049
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,800
other one.

1050
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,960
>> Um, we might actually also have funds

1051
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,400
this year to where we could explore

1052
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,839
that. But, um,

1053
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:21,839
>> I would appreciate it if there if it had

1054
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:24,400
its own line item.

1055
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,268
Oh, really?

1056
00:48:26,268 --> 00:48:28,079
[laughter]

1057
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,680
I'll add a separate line item.

1058
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:32,720
>> Thank you, Mr. Treasure.

1059
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:36,093
>> The Are you done, Eric?

1060
00:48:36,093 --> 00:48:36,400
[laughter]

1061
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,920
>> The uh

1062
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:38,319
>> John,

1063
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:39,599
>> I'm just thinking about that.

1064
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:40,640
>> Yeah.

1065
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,359
>> I'm just thinking about the satellite.

1066
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:46,240
Um, so they lost their satellite office

1067
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,119
over here, the sheriff's department. And

1068
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,680
I was wondering what the purpose of that

1069
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,000
property is that we purchased over here.

1070
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,480
Like what could that be a satellite

1071
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,359
office possibility once we refurbish

1072
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:00,240
that or

1073
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,599
>> I think there a lot of things that are

1074
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:03,599
possible but their need is more

1075
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,839
immediate than what we would be able to

1076
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:08,400
produce if we refurbished the place that

1077
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,440
we have behind us. And the idea is to

1078
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,720
bring um a satellite office that's more

1079
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,319
front-facing because when they were back

1080
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:17,839
in Fishing Creek, a lot of people didn't

1081
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:18,960
know that they were there.

1082
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:19,920
>> I didn't either.

1083
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,960
>> Um so the idea is to have space

1084
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,960
potentially where the health department

1085
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,920
is in that same complex

1086
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,000
>> that would have signage and then it

1087
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,599
would be a place where Chesapeake Beach

1088
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:33,200
residents would be able to go and

1089
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,599
interface with the police department

1090
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,040
instead of having to drive all the way

1091
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,240
down to Prince Frederick.

1092
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,200
>> Gotcha. Okay. So maybe more of a longer

1093
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,800
term idea could be to restore that

1094
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:45,440
building.

1095
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:45,839
>> Well,

1096
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:48,079
>> or do we have another purpose for that?

1097
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,040
>> I think at this point there has not been

1098
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,200
anything determined

1099
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,640
uh for the use of that building. The

1100
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,480
only thing I've heard is reports from

1101
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,920
staff that have actually been in it,

1102
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,400
which I have not, is that it's in very

1103
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,599
rough shape and uh it probably needs to

1104
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,160
be Okay, Wendy just gave me the high

1105
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,960
sign back here. She went like this. Um,

1106
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,119
>> we have 50,000 in there for that this

1107
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:15,040
year, right? Did we do anything?

1108
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,520
>> We talked about um engaging like an

1109
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,280
architect to figure out like what our

1110
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,960
options are and I'll [clears throat]

1111
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,800
defer to Jay about some of the

1112
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,240
conversations that happened in the past

1113
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,960
when they actually acquire the property.

1114
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,599
>> So, just just inform the council, it's

1115
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,359
an older house, has lead paint and

1116
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:33,760
asbestous and it may not be cost

1117
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,760
effective to

1118
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,319
rebuild. So, I think the 50,000 has been

1119
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:40,400
rolled over um year after year to

1120
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,000
actually demo it and just have open

1121
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,160
green space until we have a plan.

1122
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,720
>> Dog park.

1123
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,715
>> Just want to throw that out there.

1124
00:50:49,715 --> 00:50:50,400
[laughter]

1125
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,319
>> Get a dog park.

1126
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:54,160
>> All right. Uh yeah, I think that's it

1127
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,760
for now. Thanks. [clears throat]

1128
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,630
>> Great. Councilman Laura,

1129
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,640
» you did a very good job answering most

1130
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,160
of my questions. I just

1131
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,200
>> Good.

1132
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,960
>> Yeah.

1133
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,040
I have all these notes and and none of

1134
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:14,950
them are needed for the most part. Um

1135
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,480
I'm going to do like Jamie and start

1136
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,319
just go page by page.

1137
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:30,790
>> He's just not close to it.

1138
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,829
» Take your times.

1139
00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:37,520
I would like to see the newsletter come

1140
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,839
back if that's something possible. So,

1141
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:50,230
I'll just make that comment.

1142
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,240
» Printed newsletter. You mean printed

1143
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,119
newsletter?

1144
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:53,920
>> Yeah,

1145
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,359
>> I like that idea.

1146
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:57,040
>> Yeah, I think that would be great. Um

1147
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,800
especially we've been going through this

1148
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,760
history stuff for our project and it's

1149
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,240
very difficult to locate

1150
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,480
>> um recent history.

1151
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:06,960
>> Agreed.

1152
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,319
>> Because the newspaper went away.

1153
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:23,510
>> I like that idea.

1154
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,319
Unspent ARPA funds. Where where's that

1155
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:30,480
going from fiscal year 2026?

1156
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,760
>> So [clears throat] technically there are

1157
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,480
no unspent ARPA funds. Uh they've all

1158
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,040
been spent. So um I'm looking at that as

1159
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,520
surplus funds. It's okay.

1160
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,359
>> Unreserved surplus funds that could be

1161
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:46,559
used for whatever purpose you want. So

1162
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,319
>> we should probably start stop talking

1163
00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:51,440
about ARPA funds because we don't want

1164
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,511
anyone to think that we have ARPA funds.

1165
00:52:53,511 --> 00:52:54,319
[laughter]

1166
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:56,880
>> Right. Right. I I know the story behind

1167
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,920
that. They were spent on something else

1168
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:03,520
but but tracked as ARPA. So, okay. So,

1169
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,559
now we're just going to go back to

1170
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,400
tracking them as surplus.

1171
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:13,270
>> Yep.

1172
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,359
» Why is the trash increasing by 8%.

1173
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:20,079
>> Uh, it's built into their contract.

1174
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,960
>> An 8% increase each year.

1175
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,839
Um, I'm not exactly sure what that

1176
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:28,079
amount is, but there is a increase built

1177
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,040
in there. I'm not have to look at it

1178
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,520
again.

1179
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,079
>> Okay.

1180
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,079
>> See exactly what, you know, if it's

1181
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:37,760
spelled out, but that was what the

1182
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,640
increase was the prior year.

1183
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,480
>> I would guess based on the increase in

1184
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,240
cost of fuel that they're going to be

1185
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,000
losing money on that.

1186
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,839
>> They might have a fuel adjustment in

1187
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:49,200
there, too, because I've seen cont.

1188
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,480
>> Was there a fuel adjustment as well?

1189
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,400
>> There might be. I I don't know, but I

1190
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,440
do.

1191
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,119
>> Can you take a look at that? Take a look

1192
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:56,319
at those contracts.

1193
00:53:56,319 --> 00:53:56,720
>> Y

1194
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:57,680
>> appreciate that.

1195
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:58,800
>> Yeah, that would make it more

1196
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,559
reasonable, but a 8% increase is a

1197
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,760
pretty huge increase. Um, generally

1198
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,589
speaking,

1199
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:13,599
um, and then a, uh, the $35,000,

1200
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:18,480
uh, trash pickup. I just can we get a

1201
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,480
picture whenever we do make that

1202
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,400
contract, which I agree with that

1203
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,520
contract. Um just to make sure that all

1204
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,760
areas are covered. Um that that would be

1205
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,040
great. And really

1206
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,440
um getting some community input on that

1207
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,640
would also be good because

1208
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,640
myself I'm not home anymore during the

1209
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,800
summer during the day but my neighbors

1210
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,359
are.

1211
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:48,319
Just an idea there.

1212
00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:55,430
Um,

1213
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,640
we have the street [snorts] sweeping

1214
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,400
landscaping contract that we're

1215
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,319
reducing.

1216
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:05,040
And I guess I'm just wondering why.

1217
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,640
>> I don't think it was reducing it. I

1218
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,680
think that note that it is quarterly uh

1219
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,440
was from when we did go to

1220
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,880
quarterly. Apparently, we're only doing

1221
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,599
it quarterly. Um because I think the

1222
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:25,589
8,100 on that goes back a ways. Um

1223
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,680
yeah, so

1224
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,400
apparently we added it on in fiscal year

1225
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,069
24

1226
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:37,280
» and it's been 8,100 since then. So that

1227
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,200
note

1228
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,200
uh reduced accordly I think goes back to

1229
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,440
the fiscal year 24 when it went to 8100.

1230
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,559
>> Gotcha. So it's no change in the street

1231
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,079
sweeping right now.

1232
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:53,200
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1233
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,079
>> And I know you know when the summer's

1234
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,640
really getting rolling

1235
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:02,319
um there were comments about a need for

1236
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:04,319
street sweeping.

1237
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:07,040
Um,

1238
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,920
I guess mostly when it was windy a lot

1239
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,160
of times. So, I don't I don't know if we

1240
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,559
can find a way to accommodate

1241
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,040
some kind of clause or or some kind of

1242
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,839
way to make sure that we keep up with

1243
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:25,030
our street.

1244
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,799
» Maybe allocate for a change order if

1245
00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:35,430
that's feasible.

1246
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,559
And then um

1247
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:40,720
the green team has been asking me if we

1248
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,880
could look at the landscaping contract

1249
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,000
so that they understand what um is

1250
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,760
covered and not covered with watering

1251
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,480
and evasive removal.

1252
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,799
And an area was caught up out at

1253
00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:58,720
Brownies Beach that seems to be getting

1254
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,760
bad. And uh it really would be good to

1255
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,319
be proactive there. Hope it'll take over

1256
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:08,079
quick and their reports are that it was

1257
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,680
successfully treated previously. We want

1258
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,680
to treat the other areas

1259
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,359
>> if it's in that contract. There was

1260
00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:22,319
actually uh items added into uh

1261
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:24,160
the

1262
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,119
landscaping numbers [snorts] that

1263
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,240
includes uh a request from the green

1264
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,440
team to do native garden at town hall

1265
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,319
areas on 17th street at boardwalk

1266
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,400
including trees trees at Chesapeake

1267
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,640
Village Water Tower and Buffer Garden at

1268
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,160
Kellumsfield parking area.

1269
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,839
Um I don't Invasives can can be a little

1270
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:49,359
bit pricey. So if they're in the

1271
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:52,720
contract, we would want to know that

1272
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,200
>> probably not to provide all labor

1273
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,960
equipment materials and supervision

1274
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,200
necessary to maintain those areas

1275
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,799
planted by the green team, which

1276
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:03,760
includes fertilizing once a year,

1277
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,839
removal of excess mulch, edging and

1278
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:08,559
mulching of all beds and trees, and any

1279
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,799
necessary pruning to native plants and

1280
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:13,280
trees.

1281
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,680
to those four areas that I touched base

1282
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:16,559
on.

1283
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,799
>> I think the general request is just to

1284
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:20,960
sit down with with Melanie who's a

1285
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,160
master gardener and so that

1286
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,839
>> um you know I see your note that it's

1287
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:27,200
coming back up too.

1288
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:27,760
>> Yes.

1289
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,599
>> So capturing all that would be

1290
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:31,040
>> chime in here just because it's not a

1291
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,520
Dan question that's a more

1292
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,599
administrative question. So, we've sat

1293
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,720
down with the green team as staff and

1294
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,960
we've sat down with Less, the

1295
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,960
contractor. And so, the next step is to

1296
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,720
bring us all together to make it all the

1297
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:45,920
same.

1298
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,000
>> Okay. So, that's already happening. Yes.

1299
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,960
>> Okay. So, pointless conversation, but

1300
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,079
thank you for the update.

1301
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:53,680
>> But just letting you know that we're

1302
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:54,559
it's on our radar.

1303
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,799
>> It's good to know. It's good to know.

1304
00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:01,430
So, thanks for asking the question.

1305
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:14,710
» Um

1306
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:19,040
And then my last question is um I see

1307
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,119
saddle replacements in the general fund

1308
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,680
budget and

1309
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,079
I'm just wondering why it was placed in

1310
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,640
the general fund budget.

1311
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,720
There's a reason. um instead of the

1312
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,920
>> you you you could go ahead and start

1313
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,520
a little more history on it.

1314
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,920
>> Yeah, I told Dan I just need a half

1315
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,920
million dollars. Put it in there. No. Um

1316
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:46,640
>> and he did it.

1317
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,079
>> That is what I told him. But uh when we

1318
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:51,599
talk about I know it's not ARPA fun

1319
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,240
anymore and I wanted to

1320
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,240
bring back the last administration and

1321
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,400
what I will do is share with the council

1322
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,920
the

1323
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:01,920
meeting that was recorded is the best

1324
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,920
way to look at the project when it was

1325
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,119
started. I don't know if you probably

1326
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:06,400
have seen it.

1327
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,960
>> So it's a PowerPoint that shows the

1328
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,720
problem in Richfield. I had saddles in

1329
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,799
here and different things and I I will

1330
01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:14,960
have uh forwarded to the council members

1331
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,720
the minute and the meeting date to

1332
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,520
watch. But at that time it was like a we

1333
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,799
had 5.8 million ARPA funds and we are I

1334
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:24,880
had asked for about 2 million and we

1335
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,520
only spent 1.1

1336
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,000
and we've done some research and some

1337
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,720
spot saddle checking in-house public

1338
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,119
works and kind of came up with what we

1339
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:36,880
need to replace as part of that first

1340
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,799
phase of that project. So, there's some

1341
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:43,119
areas left that I I have here and

1342
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,799
they're basically finishing up the areas

1343
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:46,640
in Richfield Station and the rest of Bay

1344
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,280
View Hills to proactively replace the

1345
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,400
saddles. And the reason I said do it out

1346
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,760
of the general fund because thinking of

1347
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,200
the ARPA funds and um the original scope

1348
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,400
of work that I thought I had from the

1349
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,960
get-go, but I understand now that the

1350
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,760
ARPA funds were spent and I understand

1351
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,760
um so I'm not going to call it ARPA

1352
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,920
funds, but that was the intent from the

1353
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,599
get-go. It's the council's pleasure

1354
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:15,839
where it's funded from, but I do think

1355
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,440
if you watch it, you'll see the need.

1356
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,319
And it does save if we do it proactive.

1357
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:23,200
It's going to cost us about 376,000. I

1358
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,680
budgeted 500. If we do it reactive, it's

1359
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,799
going to be 750,000 and sprout out over

1360
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:30,799
time. So,

1361
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:35,119
>> and these are explain briefly what

1362
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:38,079
happens when the saddles fail.

1363
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:39,839
>> Uh, the PowerPoint shows it in way more

1364
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:41,359
detail, but basically if we go in

1365
01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:43,599
proactive and these saddles are failing,

1366
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:45,040
I brought some in. I called it showed

1367
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,799
and tell. It's it's electrolysis in the

1368
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:48,880
ground. There's a lot of different

1369
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,559
things that lead to it, but it's a cast

1370
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:55,280
iron saddle. It's a copper lateral,

1371
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,680
creates a battery, if you will, and it

1372
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,240
cannot follow a ductal iron pipe because

1373
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,400
it's plastic. So, the charge goes end to

1374
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,920
end. It ends up eating the saddle

1375
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,920
underground till they blow. Anyone that

1376
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,520
lives in Richfield's station has seen

1377
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:08,160
the Yeah.

1378
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,319
>> So, when they blow, first of all, it's

1379
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:11,440
in the middle of the night. It's not

1380
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,119
exactly safe and the ground is

1381
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:14,640
compromised. It costs twice as much

1382
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:15,760
because you got a bigger hole in the

1383
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,440
road.

1384
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,000
um you have to haul off the material,

1385
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,640
it's saturated, and then you have to put

1386
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:23,760
it back in the middle of the night. And

1387
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,319
it also gets people uh unscheduled out

1388
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:28,480
of service. The proactive approach is

1389
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,640
you pick the street, which we've test

1390
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,200
pitted and replaced one saddle in each

1391
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,559
one of these streets, so we know the

1392
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:37,520
condition and we know what's coming. Um

1393
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,599
and then you hire a contractor that

1394
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,079
proactively goes in and does one street.

1395
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:43,920
They do about two to three saddles a

1396
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,480
day. you know, it's a shut off at 9:00

1397
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,520
a.m. and we're back on by 2 PM. Uh the

1398
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,400
PowerPoint shows the process, but but

1399
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,920
that's it. So, basically in Richfield

1400
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,760
Station and Baby Hills, these saddles

1401
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,240
are failing and they're going to fail.

1402
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,319
It's a proactive approach of replacing

1403
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:02,000
them.

1404
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,400
>> That helps. Thank you. Any other

1405
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,359
questions?

1406
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:08,480
>> Um, not about that. As you know, I I

1407
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,720
believe it belongs in the utility fund.

1408
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:11,040
I

1409
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:15,599
>> I know. I know.

1410
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:22,069
Um

1411
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:26,640
so going to the capital programs, uh we

1412
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,119
have the highway user funds across the

1413
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:33,920
board and last year we had an asphalt

1414
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,079
overlay line [clears throat]

1415
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:38,160
and we were supposed to get a schedule

1416
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,480
of how that was spent and I don't

1417
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,559
believe that we got that but I think it

1418
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,480
was spent.

1419
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,519
Um, but I do think that knowing where

1420
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:50,319
[clears throat] large expenditures such

1421
01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:53,440
as the ones in the highway user funds

1422
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,480
are spent is something that we have

1423
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,720
should be doing. Um, so I'd be

1424
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:01,920
interested to know where they were spent

1425
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,440
last year and um

1426
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,039
>> and and and honestly that's on me

1427
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:08,559
because we produced a scoring sheet in

1428
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:10,480
the road report so I can follow up with

1429
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,839
a with a map in the footages for the

1430
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:15,359
public and the council of where we did

1431
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:17,280
spend that money and what we plan to

1432
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,119
spend this year coming up.

1433
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:23,039
>> That [snorts] that would be good. Um

1434
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,280
because there's a there's a lot of need

1435
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,400
in for those highway user funds. Um, we

1436
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,799
all know that I have a a project that I

1437
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:31,920
would like to see done.

1438
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:32,960
>> Oh, really?

1439
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,400
>> Really? [laughter]

1440
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,599
>> A lot of people would like to see it

1441
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:36,880
done.

1442
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,440
>> Um,

1443
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,760
but those are big expenditures. Just not

1444
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,079
knowing where that money goes isn't

1445
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:47,680
really appropriate. So, um, look forward

1446
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,920
to seeing that.

1447
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,920
Um,

1448
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,039
I'm happy to see the $68,000

1449
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:57,359
in the

1450
01:04:57,359 --> 01:05:02,799
connectivity trail design. I um,

1451
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:05,599
you know, if if it's

1452
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:08,880
my choice, which clearly isn't, I would

1453
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,599
say get the state grant, pay it back if

1454
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:13,280
you have to, and move the project

1455
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,640
forward. I think people have been

1456
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,760
waiting long enough. Um, but that's all

1457
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,720
I'll say. I hope we do move it forward.

1458
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,680
Um it's been a very long time with that

1459
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,599
project and um it's unsafe.

1460
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:31,280
So that's all I'll say there. Um signs

1461
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,440
and wfairing. I think we would like to

1462
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,319
use this year's um just a heads up.

1463
01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:38,079
Don't roll that back in because I've

1464
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:40,079
already have been working with the green

1465
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:41,359
team a little bit and I think we're

1466
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:43,359
going to spend that money to refresh

1467
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:46,160
some of the signs that they already have

1468
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,400
information for.

1469
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:56,390
Um,

1470
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,799
I think that's it. I mean, the the

1471
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:00,799
Kellum's project isn't really broken

1472
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:03,990
down.

1473
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,079
I like that project. You won't see me

1474
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:10,640
not voting for that project. Um,

1475
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,799
>> Kellum's just just to help you out. it.

1476
01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:14,880
So, it's just with Wayne's team right

1477
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,839
now to to give us the master plan back

1478
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:19,280
based off of the feedback from

1479
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,359
everybody. And then there was some

1480
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:23,839
additional Sumeilia's already found like

1481
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:26,400
potential grant money that could

1482
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,160
supplement some of the activities we

1483
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,359
were trying to do. Um, so what's in here

1484
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:34,799
is just the estimate if we were to pay

1485
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:37,200
100% out of pocket with no support, but

1486
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:38,720
I don't that's not realistic at all.

1487
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,160
We're going to go for open spaces money.

1488
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,920
we're going to go for some additional

1489
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,760
grant funding and then the council will

1490
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,319
get a presentation soon of like here's

1491
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:49,039
the iteration two of the master plan

1492
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:50,400
that they're working on. So Jenny

1493
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,520
Jenny's still working on so you'll see a breakout of what all that entails but

1494
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,240
this is just Wayne giving a notional

1495
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,760
knows that we're going in the budgeting

1496
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,400
cycle putting something into the budget.

1497
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,640
>> So I appreciate that. Um, I would

1498
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,119
appreciate support for my neighborhood

1499
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:09,039
because currently nobody can get to

1500
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:11,280
Kellumfield.

1501
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,440
So, I I hope we can reopen those

1502
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,880
conversations. It looks like we have

1503
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,000
enough money for everything. Um, and

1504
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,440
I'll leave that there. And then I'll

1505
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,680
just ask the question.

1506
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,440
Um,

1507
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:28,710
does the plan include pilings?

1508
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,440
» Does it include? I mean I think it would

1509
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,280
if it require if something required

1510
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,520
pilings maybe but I don't think any I

1511
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,160
don't think there's anything I I don't I

1512
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,920
mean I'm not we'd have to ask Wayne that

1513
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:40,880
or Jay if you know

1514
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,799
>> so preliminarily before that discussion

1515
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:44,319
I did tell him any permanent structure

1516
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:45,920
would need piles there and he is

1517
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,160
understanding of that

1518
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:49,599
>> but um

1519
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:52,240
>> so if we're talking about pilings now

1520
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,440
we're talking about

1521
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,400
a lot of winds and a lot a lot of

1522
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,520
coordination which goes back

1523
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,160
to my original thought that we should be

1524
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,680
master planning the entire area. But as

1525
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,839
I said, if we're going to get something

1526
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:12,400
done in Kellum's Field um to beautify

1527
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,799
the area, I am all for it. you won't see

1528
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:18,159
me voting against it, but

1529
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:19,692
um

1530
01:08:19,692 --> 01:08:21,120
[clears throat] I think there is a

1531
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,239
planning point in everything we're doing

1532
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,440
in the center of town

1533
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:32,792
that we need to be aware of.

1534
01:08:32,792 --> 01:08:33,120
[snorts]

1535
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,880
>> Noted.

1536
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,910
>> Agreed.

1537
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,510
Anthony

1538
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:42,719
» Dan,

1539
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:43,520
>> sir,

1540
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,560
>> I have no general fund budget questions

1541
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,239
for you.

1542
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:49,440
>> Thank you.

1543
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:54,309
>> You're breaking the mold here.

1544
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:54,799
» Okay.

1545
01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:56,960
>> Are you happy with the opioid awareness

1546
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:57,520
committee?

1547
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,199
>> Actually, yes, because a lot of things

1548
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:01,839
will end up going into events anyway, so

1549
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:04,239
it pretty much evens out now that I

1550
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:08,550
thought about it. But thank you. Okay.

1551
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,480
All right.

1552
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:12,880
>> Oh, your time. Can I have your time?

1553
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,239
Well, all right. I have a follow up.

1554
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:14,960
>> Just this time.

1555
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,199
>> All right. Real quick. Um, and just uh

1556
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,600
so I don't have to do ask for a budget

1557
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,679
amendment. Um, I think maybe if we could

1558
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:30,159
make that soccer goal uh line item

1559
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:31,759
um

1560
01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:36,080
15,000 because um

1561
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,319
for the for permanent goals that are

1562
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,679
sturdy that won't be uh ruined by kids

1563
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:43,759
hanging on them or anything like that.

1564
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:46,080
You know, high quality goals. talking

1565
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,679
about two large goals on the side and

1566
01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:52,880
another four for short field. That's six

1567
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,920
goals. So, that's kind of I think that's

1568
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,840
a more realistic budget line item. Um

1569
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,239
I'd like to see that if there's any if

1570
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:03,920
there's enough agreement. No.

1571
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,199
>> Do they have something to light up at

1572
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:05,679
night?

1573
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:06,400
>> I don't know.

1574
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,080
>> You should look into that. I mean, look,

1575
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,679
if it doesn't cost that much, we pay

1576
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:11,440
what, you know, whatever whatever the

1577
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:13,679
least amount is, but I think maybe 5,000

1578
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:16,719
probably won't be enough to get it done.

1579
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:18,400
Um,

1580
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,640
so, uh, I'll say that. And then I do

1581
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,040
want to comment on, um, Lor's, uh,

1582
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:30,320
intent or desire to, uh, have the saddle

1583
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,120
replacements, uh, move to utility fund.

1584
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,440
I actually, I concur with that. I think

1585
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,800
that's probably where it belongs. Um,

1586
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:44,640
and in the same vein, I think that um

1587
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,560
the the capital expenditures for the

1588
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,560
water park and the debt service for the

1589
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,800
water park probably deserves to be in

1590
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,280
the water park fund.

1591
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,880
Um, along that same line of reasoning.

1592
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,239
And I mean, those are my comments.

1593
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,440
>> Thank you. All right. Anybody else have

1594
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:05,120
anything before we move on? C

1595
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,920
>> can I just ask Jay one question on

1596
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,560
capital projects? I know uh you had

1597
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,080
mentioned a storage facility that you

1598
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,760
wanted for public works, which as I look

1599
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,520
through the capital project and think

1600
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:22,719
about the budget and all the

1601
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:24,560
conversations I've had with various

1602
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,520
people, I noticed that is not there. Is

1603
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,920
that something you want to advocate for

1604
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,880
or is that something that could be done

1605
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,880
in subsequent years?

1606
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,239
>> I actually and I'm glad you mentioned

1607
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:38,159
that and I did I know we discussed it.

1608
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,880
So up at Chesig Village which is uh the

1609
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,640
water tower property that the town

1610
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,280
acquired for free thankfully um working

1611
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,600
with the developers. So we have the land

1612
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,600
and we have built already a lean to

1613
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,920
there where we currently store our vac,

1614
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,640
the little town boat, the seabbox oyster

1615
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,920
projects and a few other things.

1616
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,880
It is basically twothirds of it has been

1617
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,920
taken over by Christmas displays. And

1618
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,600
now moving forward with the new stuff

1619
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,440
we're getting, we have actually closed

1620
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:09,199
it in, created wall. So I lost my

1621
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:11,920
storage. And what I would like to do is

1622
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,520
build another public works building.

1623
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,840
It'll be a multi-purpose. Uh it's not a

1624
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,880
building. It's not a Yeah, it's not a

1625
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,400
heated or electrical structure. It's what exists there today, but now I

1626
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:23,920
want to build one on the side. The only

1627
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,920
addition will be there will be one

1628
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,760
closed in bay. One thing we suffered

1629
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,000
from this year uh with the snow events

1630
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,400
is we had 17 days in a row where it

1631
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,560
never got above freezing and it's very

1632
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,480
hard to wash your truck outside

1633
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:38,800
literally without it freezing. So we

1634
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,800
made like a make two shelter. We could

1635
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,640
at least get ice and salt off. When I

1636
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,960
build this new thing up there, it'll be

1637
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,600
one bay closed in that we could heat and

1638
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,600
have a place where we could if we have a

1639
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,760
similar situation. We have a wash down

1640
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:58,950
that's heated. Um, and it's $75,000.

1641
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,719
» So that's not in the budget at this

1642
01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:01,120
time.

1643
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,320
>> That's not in the budget at this time.

1644
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,960
>> He had asked for it and I didn't want to

1645
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,560
talk.

1646
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,080
>> What? I'm sorry. What did you say?

1647
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,080
>> I had not included in the budget.

1648
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,920
Something he had talked about a couple

1649
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,080
different times when I discussed his

1650
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:17,360
budgets with him. But reflecting on it,

1651
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,920
I noticed that it's not there. So I left

1652
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,600
it out. So, we could put soccer goals on

1653
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:24,480
each end.

1654
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,239
>> Mhm. [laughter]

1655
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:29,120
>> They can be heated.

1656
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:30,640
>> We add it.

1657
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,880
>> Add it. I think we should add it. Why

1658
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:33,600
wouldn't we add it?

1659
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:34,480
>> Yes.

1660
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:36,000
>> So, if you'd make a note to add that,

1661
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:36,480
please.

1662
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:38,960
>> Thank you, council and mayor. Yeah. And

1663
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,310
Dan,

1664
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:43,920
» anything else on the general fund before

1665
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,920
we move on?

1666
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,360
>> All right. Time for the mitigation fund.

1667
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:55,510
Here's

1668
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,880
the mitigation fund.

1669
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,560
Um,

1670
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,640
again, doesn't have, you know, a lot of

1671
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,560
activity. Apparently, in the past, it

1672
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,120
was used for, uh, larger projects. Uh so

1673
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,440
the only thing we have here on the

1674
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:16,400
revenue side is interest on uh some uh

1675
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,880
savings that we have included in that

1676
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,400
account of about $3,000.

1677
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,239
A critical area grant that we uh seem to

1678
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:29,920
get each year. and then some uh tree

1679
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,920
planting and maintenance expense

1680
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,280
associated with uh

1681
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,679
work done that's needed in order to get

1682
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:42,870
that $2,000 grant.

1683
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,640
» I don't know anything more about it. Now

1684
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:50,229
>> I have one comment about that. Um

1685
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,880
the green team has just been awarded a

1686
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,480
tree city um I guess for the second

1687
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:57,920
round in a row and part of the

1688
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,920
requirements is to have a certain amount

1689
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:04,719
of money based on residential population

1690
01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:08,320
designated for trees and we found it in

1691
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,480
the mitigation fund last year. I just

1692
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:13,520
want to make sure that we have the right

1693
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,000
amount in there for them to maintain

1694
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,199
their effort.

1695
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:18,640
>> What's the actual amount that they have

1696
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:19,360
to have?

1697
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,280
>> I don't know because we need to base it

1698
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:26,159
on the number of residents we have.

1699
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:28,640
>> Is it for new trees or is it what's it

1700
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:29,360
need to be for?

1701
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,840
>> It's just part of the the tree city

1702
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,000
program. you have to have a certain

1703
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,400
amount of money per resident

1704
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,000
dedicated for the maintenance of your

1705
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,159
tree of your trees,

1706
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,239
>> right? So, we have the you know the

1707
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,480
landscape landscaping budget and things

1708
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:48,400
like that. It's not a mitigation fund,

1709
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,360
but we spend you know monies for

1710
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,840
maintenance of the trees and trimmings

1711
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,080
and things. So,

1712
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,760
I guess we need to figure out what that

1713
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,000
dollar value is and see if what we're

1714
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,640
doing within the uh tree maintenance

1715
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,960
budget would be enough.

1716
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,712
And if not, then you know, we

1717
01:16:06,712 --> 01:16:07,520
[clears throat]

1718
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,520
allocate more to the tree maintenance

1719
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,239
budget versus mitigation fund.

1720
01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:14,239
>> Yeah. And it could even be a zone line

1721
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:16,159
item set out in the general fund. It can

1722
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:19,840
be anywhere in the budget. just I'm just

1723
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,520
asking staff to um be aware of that

1724
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,000
program and make sure that the wording

1725
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,679
is

1726
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:30,800
accurate in the budget so that they can

1727
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:31,840
maintain there.

1728
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,000
>> Joe, are you familiar with that? I work

1729
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,480
with you on that. Okay.

1730
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:39,920
>> Thank you. Dan, I have a might be a

1731
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,560
silly question, but why are these like

1732
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:47,199
five line items not just rolled into the general fund?

1733
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:49,199
>> Like why is it certain thing?

1734
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:52,239
>> My knowledge uh of past is not great

1735
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:54,480
enough to answer that question.

1736
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:55,679
>> It's just so small.

1737
01:16:55,679 --> 01:16:56,480
>> I get the idea.

1738
01:16:56,480 --> 01:16:58,719
>> It's such a small fund. Why don't we

1739
01:16:58,719 --> 01:16:59,920
just

1740
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:03,280
>> add five line items? I I can try to

1741
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,480
research it a little better and see if

1742
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,400
>> what the history is of it and why it's

1743
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:09,199
there. I mean,

1744
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:09,760
>> yeah,

1745
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,440
>> Sarah might have an answer.

1746
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:13,440
>> There's one less fund we would have to

1747
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:14,960
deal with.

1748
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,239
>> Why is it a separate fund

1749
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:20,560
instead of putting those five line items

1750
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:31,510
into the general fund?

1751
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,199
It just feels better after spending an

1752
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:34,640
hour on the last one.

1753
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:35,360
>> Yeah.

1754
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:36,719
>> I mean, let's just be It just feels

1755
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:38,560
better like we got something else done

1756
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,159
and then we can go on to the next one,

1757
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:42,480
right? Some good reprieve

1758
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:47,270
>> for the beans.

1759
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,360
» Maybe we'll make up for it in the next

1760
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:54,229
one. [laughter]

1761
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:56,480
Let's move on to the wastewater

1762
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,320
treatment plant fund. Oh, I'm sorry. I

1763
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,239
got that name wrong again. I always

1764
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:05,030
will.

1765
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,560
Right. So, um, most of the information

1766
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,040
within the treatment plant fund I got

1767
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,480
from Josh. So, um, I'm going to turn it

1768
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:16,480
over to Josh because he knows a whole

1769
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:19,360
lot more about what individual costs are

1770
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,400
in there. I did share with each of you

1771
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:27,280
the uh detailed spreadsheets that Josh

1772
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,520
used to come up with these numbers. Uh

1773
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,080
they got sent over like late this

1774
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:35,280
afternoon. Uh so you will have those as

1775
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,400
well, but I'll let Josh uh take over

1776
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,199
from here.

1777
01:18:41,199 --> 01:18:45,199
>> Good evening. Um so going down I'll kind

1778
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:48,320
of go off of uh Dan's uh presentation he

1779
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,480
has here. uh going into the engineering

1780
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:53,920
professional fees. Um that's basically

1781
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,280
includes known contract services. And

1782
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,360
then we have the um an average for

1783
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,199
project engineering fees. And what I did

1784
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:04,719
was I looked at what our expenditures

1785
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:07,040
were for the last three fiscal years.

1786
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,199
Averaged that out and put that amount in

1787
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:12,400
there. That came out to about $45,000.

1788
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,000
Uh all the rest of it, like I say, is

1789
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,679
for our SCADA systems. uh Pacina doing

1790
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:22,080
network backups for our computers um

1791
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,800
flow meter calibrations and scale

1792
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,320
calibrations which were required to do

1793
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:38,630
but for MD um

1794
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:43,910
interjurisdictional agreements.

1795
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,320
» Sure. So the other thing that you might

1796
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,640
not see now but you will see potentially

1797
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,960
if our partners are aligned is that the

1798
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,000
inclusion of the um reworking the

1799
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,159
interjurisdictional agreements which are

1800
01:19:56,159 --> 01:20:00,560
currently um probably over 40 years old

1801
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,440
um and need to be revisited

1802
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:05,280
but we need to get partner alignment on

1803
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:11,910
that first.

1804
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,440
» So

1805
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:16,080
Anybody have any questions regarding the

1806
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,320
uh engineering professional fees line

1807
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,239
item? We'll just go by line item by line

1808
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:21,840
item if we want to.

1809
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,159
>> Just I had a question on what Sam just

1810
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:26,960
said. Is that something we need to add

1811
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,920
to this professional line item now or

1812
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,679
wait until we have

1813
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:33,120
>> we have ourations?

1814
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,320
>> We have our partner meeting next week

1815
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,000
and so I think it would be most prudent

1816
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,760
to wait till we hear back from them to

1817
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,040
make sure they're aligned and then add

1818
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:41,520
it.

1819
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,470
>> Okay.

1820
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:48,480
budget at all right now.

1821
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:50,239
>> I think there's value in going over it

1822
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:51,199
now.

1823
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:53,679
>> Yeah. And this budget was actually as

1824
01:20:53,679 --> 01:20:56,080
shown here was given to the partners a

1825
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:57,920
month ago. So they're going over it as

1826
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,480
well. And you know, they may have some

1827
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:03,280
questions next week. So there could be

1828
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,040
changes from them as well. But this is

1829
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,120
the actual budget that they were looking

1830
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:13,990
at. Um so

1831
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,719
» so next item it would be our safety line

1832
01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:18,960
item. Uh we have no major changes on

1833
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,880
there. Uh generally that's just going

1834
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,400
through our annual hearing testing. Um

1835
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:25,760
replacements for reagents for our

1836
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,600
portable eyewash stations. We have a

1837
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,080
number of those in the plant. Uh

1838
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,000
personal PPE.

1839
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,480
Uh spill response materials and then

1840
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:36,640
OSHA training during the year. And that

1841
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,880
line item hasn't changed since last

1842
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,400
year.

1843
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,640
Uh for lab analysis and supplies,

1844
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,520
we did have a significant reduction uh

1845
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,640
as a result of the lab services RFP that

1846
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,880
we did recently. Uh we've cut that by

1847
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,719
about $66,000

1848
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:57,040
uh year-over-year. Uh we did have an

1849
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:01,360
increase in cost for our um lab

1850
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,719
equipment. uh some of the uh materials

1851
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:06,800
that we need for our testing. Costs are

1852
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,960
going up on that. Uh we're making a

1853
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,880
change to our u daily uh testing for our

1854
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,199
nutrients. Uh we had been using two

1855
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:16,639
different types of tests. One of the

1856
01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:19,360
tests has been being very inconsistent

1857
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,600
over a period of time and didn't see any

1858
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,320
reason to continue with that to do the

1859
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,880
other test more frequently. had a little

1860
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,280
bit of cost increase um but it really

1861
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,679
didn't make a huge change on the budget

1862
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:33,199
year-over-year and we had a lot of

1863
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:41,350
savings with the uh lab services.

1864
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,679
So, equipment repairs and maintenance.

1865
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:46,639
Uh as our equipment gets older, we're

1866
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:48,480
finding that we of course need to do

1867
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,000
more maintenance. We're having equipment

1868
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,199
that's um needing to go out for

1869
01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:55,440
rebuilds, uh stuff like that. We have

1870
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:58,639
our generator service contract

1871
01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:01,679
uh for two annual checks on that along

1872
01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:04,960
with a load bank test annually. Uh we

1873
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,040
have a project for replacement of a

1874
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,560
block heater on the generator. It's

1875
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,480
going to be about $5,600 to do that

1876
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:13,199
work. Um that's already been quoted from

1877
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:15,440
Kelly Generator who handles our uh

1878
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:18,960
generator service. Uh chem service

1879
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,800
contract that's our chemical analyzer

1880
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,280
for our denitrification filters. that

1881
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,159
controls the chemical application. Um,

1882
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:29,280
HVA service contract, uh, annual RPZ

1883
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:30,719
inspections which are required by

1884
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:33,440
plumbing code, uh, and a service

1885
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:35,600
agreement with Zyllem for our dry prime

1886
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,280
pump and also annual, um, service

1887
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,400
contract for our, uh, lab desktop

1888
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,229
equipment.

1889
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:48,800
And since, again, since the equipment's

1890
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,320
getting older, we did increase that line

1891
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,000
item to try and compensate for that.

1892
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,760
Right now, we have about $10,000 left in

1893
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,600
that budget for the fiscal year. Started

1894
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,910
at 90,000.

1895
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,750
Any questions?

1896
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,400
Anybody got any questions or comments?

1897
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,000
>> You had a comment.

1898
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:11,600
>> This beard is looking good, man.

1899
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:12,159
>> Second.

1900
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:14,693
>> The beard is looking good, man.

1901
01:24:14,693 --> 01:24:15,440
[laughter]

1902
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:17,199
>> I I tend to agree.

1903
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:18,719
>> I'm proud I'm proud of him. I'm proud of

1904
01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:19,360
him.

1905
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:24,149
>> I think Jamie does, too. and John

1906
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:27,793
is the uniform. Jay, get with it.

1907
01:24:27,793 --> 01:24:30,310
[laughter]

1908
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:34,239
» All right. So, for TP office expense, um

1909
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:35,600
doesn't look like Dan had in the

1910
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,440
presentation. That's just generally our

1911
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:41,040
annual training. Um uh janitorial

1912
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,560
supplies, office supplies, break room

1913
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,719
supplies, uniforms. Uh that line item is

1914
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:50,480
hasn't had an increase year-over-year.

1915
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:53,280
We are trying to get our operators out

1916
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:57,520
as frequently as possible for their um

1917
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,440
certification exams to try and get that

1918
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:01,520
knocked out and see if we can get more

1919
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,760
license operators.

1920
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,840
And that makes me

1921
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,280
uh realize I did not go over to

1922
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:08,880
salaries, which was one of the topline

1923
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,239
items. Um I'll go ahead and backtrack on

1924
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:14,719
to that. Uh for salaries, we did have an

1925
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:18,239
increase this year. um that primarily is

1926
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:21,600
for the three trainees that we have in

1927
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,639
the uh apprentichip program. As part of

1928
01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:26,080
the Maryland rural water apprentichip

1929
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,600
program, we're required to initially pay

1930
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,600
them at 65%

1931
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,880
of full operator pay and then after

1932
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,239
their completion of their first year,

1933
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:39,120
which would be an F FY27, they are to be

1934
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,880
paid at 85% of operator pay. So, that's

1935
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:44,400
a significant pay increase over where

1936
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,400
they were as a trainee.

1937
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,400
>> Um, and it's all dependent on them

1938
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,480
completing their required 2,000 hours of

1939
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:54,480
OJT and I believe it was about 150 200

1940
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:56,880
hours of relevant relevant training

1941
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,360
hours uh classes.

1942
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,440
So, more than likely they're going to

1943
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:04,239
meet that. They had uh quite a few hours

1944
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:06,560
uh for previous experience, previous

1945
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,000
classes they had taken that they got

1946
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,320
credit for. Um, but that is something

1947
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:11,679
that's going to occur this fiscal year

1948
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:13,920
as required by the apprentichip program.

1949
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,000
And ideally once they complete this next

1950
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,880
year, they'll pass the license pass test

1951
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,600
and we'll have three new operators. So

1952
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,280
that's one thing we're shooting for. I

1953
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:26,239
also figure into the budget

1954
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:30,480
um for possible increases for um one

1955
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:32,480
more oper or trainee to become an

1956
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:35,120
operator. Uh we have one uh trainee

1957
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:36,880
who's taken the exam the last two times.

1958
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,960
you need a 70 to pass and he's gotten a

1959
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,239
69 the last two times. So, he's very

1960
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:43,679
frustrated and as soon as he comes back

1961
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:45,040
and doesn't pass, he's filling out an

1962
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:46,719
application to retake that exam and it

1963
01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:49,199
takes about a month for MDE to process

1964
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:50,719
it and get him lined up and then he goes

1965
01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:52,800
back out and takes the exam again.

1966
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,679
>> So, um anybody have any questions

1967
01:26:55,679 --> 01:26:59,360
regarding the salary since that was

1968
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,639
>> questions? Yeah. Um

1969
01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:05,040
so, I don't know. So you got salaries

1970
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,840
here and then uh under the notes it's um

1971
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,880
personal schedule and then notes

1972
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,840
continue on under that is are those are

1973
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,600
those notes of 50% of salaries the notes

1974
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,639
on Zach treasurer and um town

1975
01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:23,440
administrator percentages are those

1976
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:26,480
associated with the salary line or the

1977
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:29,040
plant benefits and taxes line

1978
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,360
>> they're associated with the

1979
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:32,960
administration

1980
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,960
down at chest to speak beach line.

1981
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,560
>> Okay.

1982
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,199
>> The 50 Well, take that back. The 50% of

1983
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:43,679
salaries is 50% of the treatment plant

1984
01:27:43,679 --> 01:27:48,000
line. The administration TCB is the Zach

1985
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:56,550
28% treasur 20%.

1986
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:01,510
» Um

1987
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,400
yeah. Okay. And um just for purposes of

1988
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,440
expressing an opinion um and been

1989
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,400
expressed before, I'm not uh for

1990
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,679
breaking these salaries out um and

1991
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:15,760
adding expenses

1992
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,400
um that way into the um treatment plant

1993
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:25,679
and utility fund. Um but uh thanks for

1994
01:28:25,679 --> 01:28:27,840
clearing that up.

1995
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,239
>> Julie noted. Thank you. Anybody else got

1996
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:32,480
any questions or comments? Anything

1997
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:34,320
else, Josh?

1998
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,320
>> Uh, we do have two other line items.

1999
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,639
The, uh, chemicals and then the, uh,

2000
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:40,320
landfill tipping fees. And then getting

2001
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,120
into the capital projects. Uh, for

2002
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,040
chemicals, I was able to reduce the

2003
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,760
budget by about $90,000 this year on

2004
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,239
that. We were just over the past couple

2005
01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:52,080
years looking at how many deliveries we

2006
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:53,920
needed of chemicals. I was able to

2007
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,679
reduce the estimated number of

2008
01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:58,239
deliveries for each year. Our usage just

2009
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:01,360
has not been at that level. Uh we've

2010
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,280
also had a change with one of our

2011
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,120
chemicals which reduced the cost um by

2012
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:11,280
close to 10 cents per pound. Um and each

2013
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,679
delivery would get 32,000

2014
01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:15,199
and that's when we get almost 10

2015
01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:17,199
deliveries a year. So that was a

2016
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:21,199
significant reduction in cost. Um

2017
01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:22,719
yeah, that was basically the biggest

2018
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:24,080
part of the cost change was for our

2019
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,132
aluminum chloride uh in that process.

2020
01:29:27,132 --> 01:29:27,679
[gasps]

2021
01:29:27,679 --> 01:29:30,639
Uh for landfill tipping fees, uh that's

2022
01:29:30,639 --> 01:29:32,560
going to increase by about 30,000. And

2023
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,639
that has to do with just the contract

2024
01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:37,440
cost increases and predicted sludge

2025
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:39,600
production through the plant. Um as we

2026
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,040
get more flows, we're going to have more

2027
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,520
sludge production.

2028
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,600
Any

2029
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:46,880
questions regarding the last part of the

2030
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:52,070
operational budget

2031
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:55,040
going into capital projects? Uh didn't

2032
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,120
have as many projects this fiscal year.

2033
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,760
Uh just

2034
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,280
some of these other projects needed a

2035
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:02,320
little bit more time to be able to get

2036
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,360
processed into. Uh the headworks

2037
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:06,719
project, we're still working on funding

2038
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:08,159
for that one. So that's been pushed out

2039
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:10,239
to FY28.

2040
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:12,239
Uh for this year, we've got 80,000 for

2041
01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:13,840
equipment purchases. That's just been a

2042
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,679
recurring line item over the past couple

2043
01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:18,000
of years. That's for purchases of pumps,

2044
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,960
uh, any other major equipment we need.

2045
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:24,159
Um, building our spare parts inventory.

2046
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:26,560
Uh, every year we're having to buy spare

2047
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:28,400
parts, replacements, re restocking

2048
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,560
inventories. Uh, the majority of that

2049
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,480
we're finding is our UV components.

2050
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:34,800
Those are fairly expensive when we do

2051
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,320
have to get those, but we do need to

2052
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,800
retain stock on the shelf for those uh,

2053
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,360
during the fiscal year.

2054
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:45,360
Uh we have two projects for um repairing

2055
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:51,360
our basin mixers and our um SPT mixers,

2056
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,239
shellfish protection tank mixers. Um

2057
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:55,840
those

2058
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,000
are going the plan is to take them, get

2059
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,760
them pulled out, send them over to the

2060
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,600
motor shop, have them fully rebuilt, and

2061
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,000
that will get us extended life on those

2062
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,480
uh pieces of equipment. Uh the plan for

2063
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,800
the basins is to replace pull six of

2064
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,040
them, have them rebuilt, put back in.

2065
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,920
That will uh redo half of the mixers we

2066
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:15,120
have, and then [clears throat] probably

2067
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:16,800
next fiscal year, we may try and do the

2068
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,880
same thing. Uh depending on what the

2069
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:20,880
rest of them are looking like, uh the

2070
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,639
shellfish protection tank mixers is

2071
01:31:22,639 --> 01:31:25,040
going to be a larger project. Uh due to

2072
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,600
the height of the tank, tank is about 25

2073
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,440
ft high. Uh we're going to need to have

2074
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:32,159
a crane set up in uh Jay's lot back

2075
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:34,000
there to be able to get those out of

2076
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,800
that tank. have them hauled off to the

2077
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:41,520
uh motor shop, rebuilt, rewound, put

2078
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,280
back in there, and we should be able to

2079
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,199
get another number of years out of

2080
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:46,800
those.

2081
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,600
And then we have a $5,000 for a clean

2082
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,159
out aluminum chloride tank. We had a

2083
01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:53,679
issue with the last chemical that was

2084
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:55,120
causing a lot of precipitation in the

2085
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,199
tanks. Uh one of the reasons what

2086
01:31:57,199 --> 01:31:59,120
besides the cost of the chemical, that

2087
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:00,320
was one of the other reasons why we

2088
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,880
moved away from that chemical. Um,

2089
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:04,400
that's going to be a onetime project to

2090
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,000
get that precipitate out of the bottom

2091
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,000
of the tank. Uh, we're going to use a

2092
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,679
known uh, septic hauler and should be

2093
01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:12,719
able to get that pumped out pretty

2094
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:14,080
easily and then we'll just feed that

2095
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:19,750
back in through the plant.

2096
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:20,639
» Questions?

2097
01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:21,440
>> Any questions?

2098
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,328
>> I just have a comment. Can we just where

2099
01:32:23,328 --> 01:32:24,560
[clears throat] it says build inventory

2100
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,159
spare parts, can we just say spare parts

2101
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:28,480
inventory and remove excuse me remove

2102
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:30,239
the build because you've been building

2103
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:31,520
for a while. I think you're just

2104
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:32,320
replenishing now.

2105
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:32,719
>> Yes.

2106
01:32:32,719 --> 01:32:35,280
>> Uh so yeah, just for uh naming

2107
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:40,550
convention integrity.

2108
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:42,800
» I have a question that might be more for

2109
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,760
um Dan. Like I know we did the enhanced

2110
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,920
nutrient removal a while back and I

2111
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:49,840
think we're about to stop paying the

2112
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,320
debt service on that in a year or two. I

2113
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,199
was wondering why that wasn't in this

2114
01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:57,040
budget and why it was in the I think

2115
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,560
it's in the um utility fund budget and

2116
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,800
not in this budget. I don't know. Maybe

2117
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,249
you can get back to me on that one, but

2118
01:33:05,249 --> 01:33:05,920
[clears throat] you don't have the

2119
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:07,280
answer.

2120
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,199
>> That's where it's always been is all I

2121
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:10,000
know.

2122
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,639
>> Yeah, seems like it's a treatment plant

2123
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:14,719
expense, but it's in the utility fund

2124
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:16,400
and not the treatment. I think within

2125
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:17,920
the treatment plant those are called

2126
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:19,520
share with the partners and I think

2127
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,440
everyone paid for their own share

2128
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:23,840
separately. So instead of showing it

2129
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:29,040
within the um treatment plant and

2130
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,280
>> the cost not being shared whereas

2131
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:32,960
everything within the treatment plant

2132
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,960
now is either a fixed or variable cost

2133
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,000
that's shared by the partners and it

2134
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,840
looks when I did look at it before it

2135
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:43,360
looked like we paid for our share of

2136
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:46,000
those upgrades with the bonds. So

2137
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,760
therefore I think that's why it's a

2138
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,480
utility fund.

2139
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:51,840
I think there was another one that was

2140
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,600
dropping off in a year or two besides

2141
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,440
the nutrient removal. Can't remember

2142
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:56,320
what it was though.

2143
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,239
>> Yep. There's three bonds and two of them

2144
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:00,080
come off the next three years, I

2145
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:00,639
believe.

2146
01:34:00,639 --> 01:34:02,080
>> So, is that why we're targeting the

2147
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,480
headworks for around that time when

2148
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:06,159
those drop off we're going to take on

2149
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:08,480
the headworks probably that service?

2150
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:10,159
>> I don't know if that was considered. I

2151
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:11,520
think that's just when they need to be

2152
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:12,960
done [clears throat]

2153
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:13,840
based on need.

2154
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:14,880
>> So, it's good timing then.

2155
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:15,520
>> Yeah.

2156
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:16,960
I never quite understood that

2157
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:20,960
either. If there are improvements to the

2158
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,199
treatment plant, why aren't the costs

2159
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:25,040
shared with the partners?

2160
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,199
>> I mean, we only have one or two more

2161
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:29,760
years to pay on those, but that's

2162
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:31,920
something that should have been a long

2163
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:32,800
time ago.

2164
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,360
>> I'm sure it was agreed to 15 years ago,

2165
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:38,000
whatever the breakdown was. And I I

2166
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,360
think everyone was paying their own

2167
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,760
chair directly.

2168
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:48,719
All right. That would be a sub that's a substantial

2169
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:49,199
amount.

2170
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:55,830
>> All right. Any other questions?

2171
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:01,270
» All right.

2172
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,840
Think we're done with the the budget

2173
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,159
discussions. And I think this was very

2174
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:08,239
productive and I thank all of you that

2175
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:09,920
prepared material and I thank the

2176
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,800
council for their thoughtful and

2177
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:16,560
uh questions and comments.

2178
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,159
It is time to move on to item two uh on

2179
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:22,239
theformational discussion and that is

2180
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:25,840
the election board uh briefing and Randy

2181
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:30,639
Gman um is here to uh bring us up to

2182
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:32,080
date on what's happening with the

2183
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,719
election board which is actually quite a

2184
01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:37,360
lot.

2185
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:40,560
>> Thank you Randy. Okay. So, you got you

2186
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,159
got your read ahead, but I'm going to

2187
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:46,480
start out with uh introducing the uh the

2188
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:50,560
election uh committee. So, so I have uh

2189
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:54,629
Aacia Flores

2190
01:35:54,639 --> 01:36:01,270
and and and I have uh Gordon Mat.

2191
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,360
And and Chris Martinez.

2192
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,709
>> Thank you.

2193
01:36:06,719 --> 01:36:09,120
these have worked very hard

2194
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,679
>> and Anthony

2195
01:36:11,679 --> 01:36:14,480
>> say the other two I'm waiting for my

2196
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:18,480
table there you know so [laughter]

2197
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:22,000
>> so so al also there there are actually

2198
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:26,239
three more people to talk about so but uh Eric Reinhardt Councilman

2199
01:36:26,239 --> 01:36:30,400
Reinhardt and and uh Councilman Anthony

2200
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,760
Green that was the committee addition to

2201
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,480
that we now have a new member uh

2202
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:39,920
Jennifer Bennett which uh you

2203
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,600
back here. Okay. So which you appointed

2204
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,239
as board of elections uh at your last

2205
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:48,639
meeting. Okay. So I needed a little bit

2206
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:52,800
of space here for all those people. Um

2207
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,000
in in case needed if you guys want to

2208
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,760
move up a little closer in case you need

2209
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:03,270
to come to the uh microphone.

2210
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:07,119
So, I tried to do this as a as a re read

2211
01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:08,960
ahead like you do a lot of your other

2212
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:12,719
things so that you could uh prepare. I'm

2213
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:14,880
not really planning on going through it

2214
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:19,360
as a as a uh a brief. Um let's see if I

2215
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,920
figure out how to use this thing. Do I

2216
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,880
point it any particular direction? Okay.

2217
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:30,639
So, so uh wanted to you've read it, you

2218
01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:33,760
thought about it. I'd kind of like to to

2219
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,880
uh you know hear your questions if

2220
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:38,400
there's a particular slide or something

2221
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,199
you want me to go into more detail in uh

2222
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:44,159
or a answer more questions. This this

2223
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:48,800
was my attempt to put a whole lot of

2224
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,880
information [laughter]

2225
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:54,320
into your heads and and and I I I

2226
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,400
probably rewrote this thing about what

2227
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,400
15 times Chris or something [laughter]

2228
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,199
like that and try to figure out the best

2229
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:04,239
way to present it or to give it to you.

2230
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:04,719
>> Yeah.

2231
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:08,080
>> Uh I I can start. So I [clears throat]

2232
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:09,840
Well, first Randy, thank you very much

2233
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:10,960
for putting this together. We talked

2234
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:12,880
earlier. This is absolutely fantastic.

2235
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:16,480
Um, I will just say that, uh, I concur

2236
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:19,520
with the committee's recommendation. Uh,

2237
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,639
I appreciate the the work tied to this.

2238
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:24,960
Um, where we would have a townrun

2239
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,679
election with contractor support. Uh, I

2240
01:38:27,679 --> 01:38:28,960
know that's what North Beach is doing as

2241
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,199
well. I concur with that. I appreciate

2242
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:33,840
that it's on uh, election day, so it

2243
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,199
ties when most people are going to be

2244
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:38,648
voting anyways. Um, I am sad.

2245
01:38:38,648 --> 01:38:38,719
>> [clears throat]

2246
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:40,639
>> I told you and I I will say this is a

2247
01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:42,800
precursor so I'll say it in public uh

2248
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,639
where it says Randy May stepback is

2249
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:46,480
listed multiple times throughout this

2250
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:48,560
document. You didn't you did not sneak

2251
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:51,440
that one past me. Um

2252
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:53,920
uh but you did have an ask in here

2253
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:59,119
regarding uh multi-day elections. Uh and

2254
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:01,360
one of the re and and I'm I went back

2255
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:02,960
and forth on this. I googled a whole

2256
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:04,560
bunch like you know and and I think you

2257
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,239
could I think there's easily an argument

2258
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:09,679
for both of them. However, this uh

2259
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:13,440
option targets national election day uh

2260
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:15,119
and sticking with that. So, I think

2261
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:17,119
that's what led me into saying and I

2262
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,760
would lean into a single election day

2263
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,159
because that ties to the ex actual plan

2264
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:24,719
that the committee uh put forward. Uh

2265
01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:26,159
and then I will just call out I do

2266
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:27,600
appreciate you answering my question

2267
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,480
regarding paper ballots because uh North

2268
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:33,600
Beach is not going to do paper ballots.

2269
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,520
However, we have a code requirement to

2270
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,239
do both. uh and and Randy just kind of

2271
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:40,960
explained uh maybe some integrity type

2272
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:43,360
things uh and and it just makes logical

2273
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:45,360
sense uh in current state. So I

2274
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:46,800
appreciate it.

2275
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:52,629
>> Thank you.

2276
01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:53,600
» That was good.

2277
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,560
>> Um since I was on the committee, I'll

2278
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,119
pass and then loop back around at the

2279
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:01,920
end um if need be.

2280
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,679
Yeah, I just want to echo Jamie and say

2281
01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:06,080
that this is very well put together and

2282
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:07,600
you'd already kind of answered my

2283
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,280
question about what happens if you step

2284
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,520
back and maybe you can just brief

2285
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,600
everybody real quick on what does happen

2286
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,639
if if we lose our certified um

2287
01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:18,800
>> so so when we finish our little thing

2288
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:20,960
here the second part of this is you're

2289
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,320
going to appoint Aacia [laughter]

2290
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,800
>> as the other board members so we'll have

2291
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:30,080
Jennifer and Aacia who I who over the

2292
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,840
next two years, I will train to be able

2293
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,239
to run the 2028 election.

2294
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:38,800
>> Okay. Hopefully the machines work out

2295
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:41,440
this next time and we don't get the last

2296
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:43,280
minute uh hiccup.

2297
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,520
>> Well, the the the uh the whole thing

2298
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,520
about going over this and look looking

2299
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,400
at whether we go on their ballot on on

2300
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,880
the county's ballot or whether we do it

2301
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,239
ourselves. And one of the things that

2302
01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:56,960
really went wrong the last time was poll

2303
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,280
book availability. Well, part of the

2304
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,400
thing the committee did, we looked at,

2305
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:04,960
we looked for what contractors were out

2306
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,480
there that provided and what other

2307
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:08,880
municipalities were doing. And we found

2308
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,159
out that Alche uh was through through

2309
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:15,360
the Maryland Municipal League. We we got

2310
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,840
in contact and we found out that Elect

2311
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,080
has actually been supporting 28

2312
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,320
different municipalities with election

2313
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,440
support. We had a we had a uh Zoom

2314
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:27,360
meeting with them where they went over

2315
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,920
and talked about what they could provide

2316
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,000
in poll books and stuff. So, there's

2317
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:35,119
actually three companies that I believe

2318
01:41:35,119 --> 01:41:38,639
could could support our 2028 election.

2319
01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:42,400
Um the the uh ESNS is who we've been

2320
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,480
using in the past to get ballots and

2321
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:47,760
stuff. Uh heck, I I can't remember the

2322
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:49,199
other name, but I've got it somewhere in

2323
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:52,159
there. they won the poll book contract

2324
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:55,440
for the uh county and and then elect is

2325
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:58,880
another one and and uh the key thing was

2326
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:02,800
getting poll books that could beworked

2327
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,239
that could have the Maryland municipal

2328
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:10,639
uh registry on I'm sorry the the the the

2329
01:42:10,639 --> 01:42:13,679
uh the Maryland registry the statewide

2330
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:15,840
registry which is what we're part of. So

2331
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:18,159
the Chesapeake version of that on the

2332
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:20,159
poll book so that we can easily look

2333
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:22,800
them up and that the the the poll books

2334
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:24,880
were all networkked so when you enter

2335
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:27,679
one name in here it automatically go so

2336
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:30,960
nobody could vote twice so you can track

2337
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:33,920
and count them and and also so you could

2338
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,159
print a voter authority card. The voter

2339
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:38,639
authority card is very important in that

2340
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:42,320
it's that's what we use to take to the

2341
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,840
scanner so that only one ballot, one

2342
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:47,760
voter authority card so we know and

2343
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,920
those numbers have to match at the end

2344
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:52,960
of the night. So, so that's kind of

2345
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:54,800
keeping with the integrity and making

2346
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:59,040
sure we are u voters only vote once and

2347
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:01,360
only registered voters vote.

2348
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,800
>> Great goal. Um, you guys, it's just

2349
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:06,320
amazing how many people actually were

2350
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,960
able to vote despite all the hiccups you

2351
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,400
guys had last time. It was a huge

2352
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,880
turnout and hopefully we can get even

2353
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,440
more at the next election. So, thank

2354
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:17,760
you.

2355
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:21,760
>> Um, great job. Uh, I like um what you've

2356
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:25,920
done here, your ask multiple days. I'm a

2357
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,639
no multiple day person. I like election

2358
01:43:28,639 --> 01:43:30,480
day and I also think it's a heavy lift

2359
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:33,920
for the town. So, uh, that's my comment

2360
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,320
>> and and you know, multiple election

2361
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:41,040
days, we were 5050 split on that. We we

2362
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,760
uh we couldn't decide that one ourselves

2363
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,719
and and uh we we were not looking to

2364
01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:50,000
extend the the November election date.

2365
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,040
We were looking at the potential of of

2366
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:58,320
adding maybe a weekn night or a or or a weekend

2367
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:01,760
kind of like the you know uh um the

2368
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:06,080
county does eight days of early voting

2369
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:10,159
and and and uh um the and those are full

2370
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:12,960
13-hour days [laughter]

2371
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,840
and I was I I looked at or proposed as

2372
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:20,080
an option of doing a six-hour

2373
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,679
week weekday night and a six-h hour

2374
01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:28,000
Saturday. Um but but uh I also found

2375
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,719
that when I got a a cost estimate from

2376
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:33,679
Altech that it was another $4,200 for

2377
01:44:33,679 --> 01:44:37,840
each day that you added. Uh so I I don't

2378
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,440
know that it's really important to do

2379
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:44,080
that. We did get 41% the last time. Um,

2380
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:46,239
you know, one of the reasons I I added

2381
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:48,719
it was because if if you look looked at

2382
01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:51,600
the uh um

2383
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:55,840
our our election that that multi-day

2384
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,400
um

2385
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:05,750
one

2386
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:09,520
So if you if you looked at

2387
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,719
the voters the our Chesapeake beach

2388
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:14,320
voters,

2389
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:15,840
70.1%

2390
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,520
of them actually voted in the 2024

2391
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:21,920
election for the for the general for the

2392
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,400
president for the general election. We

2393
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:27,360
had 41% of those same voters vote in our

2394
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:29,199
election.

2395
01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:31,440
But if you look at the election day

2396
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:34,239
absentee ballot, provisional and early

2397
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:37,119
and and early voting breakouts, the

2398
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:38,960
reason they had such a high percentage

2399
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:40,480
is not that they all showed up on

2400
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:42,159
election day. You can see we actually

2401
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:44,320
had more show up on election day to

2402
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,719
ours, but it's because they had an early

2403
01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:49,199
voting opportunity and a mail-in ballot

2404
01:45:49,199 --> 01:45:50,960
opportunity and that's that's how they

2405
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,199
got up to 70%.

2406
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:55,679
Do we really need to do that? Like we've

2407
01:45:55,679 --> 01:45:58,639
we split 5050 as to whether we we did or

2408
01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:01,199
not and and and uh I was one of the vote

2409
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:02,960
one of the ones that voted for it and

2410
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:04,880
I'm kind of leaning against it. So I

2411
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:09,360
don't [laughter] you know it it it's not something that we have to do.

2412
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:12,960
The real decision I I I need from you

2413
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,840
going forward is is uh do we hold our

2414
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:19,040
own election and get contractor support

2415
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:22,639
or do we or do we go onto the uh county

2416
01:46:22,639 --> 01:46:25,119
ballot? And and uh one of the things I

2417
01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:27,840
have I I I recently asked a question to

2418
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:31,199
the uh through the county to the state

2419
01:46:31,199 --> 01:46:34,960
uh as as to which which municipalities

2420
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:38,639
are going to go on the county ballot in

2421
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:41,600
their county for the November 2026

2422
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:45,679
election. Zero. [laughter] No. Nobody.

2423
01:46:45,679 --> 01:46:49,119
Uh the only ones the only the only

2424
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:51,920
municipality I know that that I'm aware

2425
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,600
of that has gone on

2426
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,719
the ballot is Baltimore County and they

2427
01:46:58,719 --> 01:47:01,199
I guess they've always done that. Uh but

2428
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:03,760
no other municipality does that to my

2429
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:05,440
knowledge.

2430
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:07,760
Uh, one of the things we were able to do

2431
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:11,040
is is in 2023 this the state put out a

2432
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,320
requirement pass legislator legislation

2433
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,880
so that we so that municipalities had to

2434
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,800
submit their election results to to the

2435
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,199
uh state and then the state puts them on

2436
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:25,360
a website. Well, all this information

2437
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:29,280
about the other places that voted and uh

2438
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:32,080
you know, so I got you percentage of of

2439
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,480
when elections were held that came from

2440
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:36,880
that state site. I can actually go on. I

2441
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,119
can't look at 22 because the law wasn't

2442
01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:42,080
in effect there. But but you look at 23,

2443
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,800
24, 25. And I gave you some examples of

2444
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,400
2025

2445
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:49,119
of when they uh one of the other options

2446
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:52,239
we had looked at is we could have rented

2447
01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:54,719
equipment from the state and done anou,

2448
01:47:54,719 --> 01:47:56,719
but they would have made us change our

2449
01:47:56,719 --> 01:47:58,960
election date. So I gave you information

2450
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:02,080
about why we shouldn't do that because

2451
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:04,400
the the five that I looked at, the five

2452
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:06,320
different municipalities, they were

2453
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:08,239
under 12% voter

2454
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:09,920
>> Yeah.

2455
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:14,480
uh on a non on a non-election non county

2456
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:15,520
election day.

2457
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,360
>> And I recall you and I talked about this

2458
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:19,440
at some length and and I think that

2459
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:21,360
makes all the sense in the world to

2460
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,480
leave it on the same day as the the

2461
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:27,679
general election just to improve the

2462
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:30,480
turnout and and and the percentage of

2463
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:33,119
our voters that actually vote.

2464
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:35,600
>> And I think 41% is really good. you

2465
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,639
know, we're we're we're basing that on

2466
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:41,199
active active voters.

2467
01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:44,320
>> Uh the county uh the state county, they

2468
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:49,360
clear up and they they they have a uh um

2469
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,360
they have different categories of

2470
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,920
active, inactive, they'll if someone

2471
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:55,840
doesn't vote or they don't respond to

2472
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:57,760
them when they send correspondents, when

2473
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,679
the state sends them correspondents,

2474
01:48:59,679 --> 01:49:01,840
they'll move them to the inactive list

2475
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,600
and they'll stay there for a while. that

2476
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:07,440
if they don't answer anything for uh a

2477
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:08,639
period of time, they'll take them off

2478
01:49:08,639 --> 01:49:12,800
the list. Uh but but uh updating that

2479
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:14,800
Maryland Universal Registration, that's

2480
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:17,040
the term I was looking for earlier, uh

2481
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:22,960
is is uh takes time. Uh we can't do it.

2482
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,600
Only the only the state and county can

2483
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,000
change that.

2484
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:30,000
Did your committee talk at all about

2485
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,520
putting the question to referendum about

2486
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:37,360
how we would vote? Like obviously we

2487
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:40,320
can't do that right now, but um like on

2488
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,560
the ballot, a question on the ballot for

2489
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:44,480
how we would do our elections. Did you

2490
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,719
all haveation about that at all?

2491
01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:48,719
>> I know you said North Beach maybe did.

2492
01:49:48,719 --> 01:49:51,040
>> They they they voted to do that. The

2493
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,119
town council voted to put that on their

2494
01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:56,400
November 2026 ballot. We didn't really

2495
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,239
talk about that because our next ballot

2496
01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:00,239
is in 2028. So, you would be talking

2497
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:02,639
about a special election,

2498
01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:04,960
>> right?

2499
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:08,239
>> Or just a newsletter or something that

2500
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:10,480
goes out and asks for input, you know,

2501
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:13,590
or

2502
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:15,679
» I would be interested because I am for,

2503
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:17,520
you know, the one day of voting. Also,

2504
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:19,199
from a campaign perspective, it's hard

2505
01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:22,480
to campaign for multiple days um when

2506
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:24,800
you drag out the election too far

2507
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:26,320
>> and things change.

2508
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:31,040
>> So, so, so I was not I don't think that

2509
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,600
we should go to what the county does,

2510
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:34,719
which is

2511
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:38,560
>> prior to election day, they do eight not

2512
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:41,280
eight days of of uh that's a lot,

2513
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:43,440
>> but nothing after the normal election

2514
01:50:43,440 --> 01:50:45,280
day. So, that ends it. that that

2515
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:47,920
election day ends it. Okay. What takes

2516
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:49,840
place after that is just the counting of

2517
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:52,480
the absentee ballots, the the the

2518
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:54,719
canvasing of the provisional ballots,

2519
01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:56,480
just stuff that takes place. That takes

2520
01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:58,239
time to get that done. It takes the

2521
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:00,880
county several a week for absentee, a

2522
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:04,000
week for provisional to to get their

2523
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:08,149
actual numbers.

2524
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:10,719
I was only proposing prior to election

2525
01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:15,280
day like the a Saturday before or the or

2526
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:17,679
a Wednesday or something before. Uh

2527
01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:19,119
that's what I was thinking about in

2528
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:21,040
multiple elections. And again, I don't

2529
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:23,360
think we have to have that 41% is a

2530
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:25,520
pretty good turnout. I would say if you

2531
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,199
wanted to accommodate more people and

2532
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:29,199
you got that feedback from people, if

2533
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:32,000
you kept it close together so that the

2534
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,320
people that voted on this day have the

2535
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,080
same information as the people that

2536
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:39,360
voted on the other day. I think that's

2537
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,920
the problem when they're spread out.

2538
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:44,159
>> If you spread it out too far and and

2539
01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:46,080
also the the other thing you don't want

2540
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:48,880
to do is that you would not do is you

2541
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,520
wouldn't put out results until after

2542
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,239
election day. So, so you wouldn't you

2543
01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:56,000
wouldn't be saying how many votes each

2544
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,000
candidate got.

2545
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,280
I probably wouldn't be able to do that

2546
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:02,239
with the machines anyways.

2547
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:04,480
>> You have a tough job.

2548
01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:06,159
>> He's been doing it for a long time, too.

2549
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:07,679
And we appreciate that.

2550
01:52:07,679 --> 01:52:09,520
>> I do have a couple uh things now.

2551
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:11,199
>> I was going to call on you before you

2552
01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:12,080
interrupted me.

2553
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:14,400
>> Sorry.

2554
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:17,840
>> Get left out. You are you good, Anthony?

2555
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,920
>> Okay.

2556
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:21,760
I'm sorry to interrupt.

2557
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,440
>> Go ahead. you have something. Go ahead.

2558
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:24,480
>> Okay.

2559
01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:26,000
>> Uh, I just wanted to highlight a couple

2560
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:28,560
of things that the committee u looked at

2561
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,080
that are I think are important that it

2562
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:32,159
really hadn't been said yet. And one

2563
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:35,920
that's super important I think it was to

2564
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,360
our committee was that if we went with a

2565
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:44,400
county or state ballot that uh there's

2566
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:46,639
no there's a law that says that it

2567
01:52:46,639 --> 01:52:50,320
cannot be a nonpartisan election. So,

2568
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:53,199
uh, we would have had to had partisan

2569
01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:57,040
elections or have a fill out a petition

2570
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:59,599
and get 200 signatures or whatever to

2571
01:52:59,599 --> 01:53:02,880
get on a ballot um as a nonpartisan

2572
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:03,760
candidate,

2573
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:04,560
>> 250

2574
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:08,800
>> or 250. So that that was kind of a a a

2575
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:12,960
really big deal to the committee um and

2576
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:14,400
one of the reasons that we made the

2577
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:18,880
decision to uh that we to recommend um

2578
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:21,199
that we go with the town run elections

2579
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:22,639
and I just wanted to make sure everyone

2580
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:27,679
was aware of that point. Um

2581
01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:30,639
the committee split 50/50. I am

2582
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:33,440
definitely for a single day election for

2583
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:35,520
multiple reasons that we've already gone

2584
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,320
over. Manpower, cost,

2585
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:40,560
different information. Uh, all good

2586
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:43,440
points. Um

2587
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:48,639
I wanted to say that uh

2588
01:53:48,639 --> 01:53:51,760
oh regarding the Zoom call um that we

2589
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:55,040
had with Elect was a great call and they

2590
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:58,560
did demos of the equipment and the

2591
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:02,560
process and the pull books and the

2592
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:05,360
machines and everything. And I believe

2593
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:08,159
that that call was recorded. So if

2594
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:10,560
anyone is interested in that information

2595
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:14,560
that type of you know richer information

2596
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:18,800
on machines and and programs and process

2597
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:21,199
and stuff it's it's there and available.

2598
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:22,960
>> Yeah. Do you have an estimate on how

2599
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:24,800
much that might speed up the like

2600
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,679
process from last time having those

2601
01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:28,960
machines

2602
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:30,560
>> having the pole books?

2603
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,960
>> Yeah. Or the upgraded computers that

2604
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:35,119
areworked and all that. Well,

2605
01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:37,440
>> like the whole thing, how how much do

2606
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:39,360
you think it'll improve? Cuz I know we

2607
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:40,719
had long lines and people were leaving

2608
01:54:40,719 --> 01:54:42,880
and stuff. So, that's what that should

2609
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:44,159
be that's one of your goals, I'm

2610
01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:45,360
guessing, is to improve the

2611
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:48,560
>> If I can add it to it took a a minute

2612
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:53,679
and 45 seconds per person to check them

2613
01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:56,639
in the the poll book or reg the laptop

2614
01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:59,199
that we were using. We had four laptops.

2615
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:01,520
The maximum number that we could get in

2616
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:05,920
a 13-hour day was about 1755.

2617
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:09,119
I think we had like 1693 that we

2618
01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:10,080
processed

2619
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,080
>> plus about another 100 provisional

2620
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:14,080
people that came through that we had to

2621
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:16,159
rule out for provisional about another

2622
01:55:16,159 --> 01:55:17,360
80 I guess.

2623
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:19,599
>> Uh so

2624
01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:21,280
>> it doesn't take that long on the poll

2625
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:24,239
book and it and we had to handw write

2626
01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:27,199
the the voter authority card. We had to

2627
01:55:27,199 --> 01:55:30,400
print that for each voter and and that

2628
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:32,239
that's what took a minute and 45

2629
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:38,639
seconds. The machine will do this. The the reason I wanted to go to

2630
01:55:38,639 --> 01:55:40,400
townun

2631
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:43,199
contractor supported is that I could I

2632
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:45,040
found out I could get machines from

2633
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:46,400
probably any one of these three

2634
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,080
contractors and there may be more out

2635
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,000
there too that we'll you know

2636
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,480
investigate in 2020 you know as we get

2637
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,679
closer to 2028. Uh but but it's because

2638
01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:58,560
that could be done and it'll be fast. Uh

2639
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:02,560
the the county uh uses uh I think six

2640
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:07,280
machines and and um um

2641
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:10,000
they don't they never have lines or you

2642
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,400
know you'll always have some lines but

2643
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:15,280
it it won't we can get we can probably

2644
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:17,920
just do four. We could do four or six

2645
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:21,119
and and we'll be fine. It it'll it takes

2646
01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:23,679
less than a minute to do that. It's

2647
01:56:23,679 --> 01:56:25,440
almost half half the time.

2648
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:28,480
>> Oh, and and I'm probably exaggerating in

2649
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:29,920
the minute.

2650
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:30,400
>> Wow.

2651
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:31,760
>> It probably doesn't take that long.

2652
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:33,599
>> A significant improvement.

2653
01:56:33,599 --> 01:56:36,239
>> Dramatic improvement if I'm not mistaken

2654
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:38,639
>> because it the the

2655
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:40,639
I don't remember if I remembered if I

2656
01:56:40,639 --> 01:56:42,639
mentioned the printer. Each pole book

2657
01:56:42,639 --> 01:56:47,199
has its own printer and and and so

2658
01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:49,280
what's your name? What's your what's

2659
01:56:49,280 --> 01:56:53,679
your uh date of birth? What's your address? here it is. I got

2660
01:56:53,679 --> 01:56:56,719
that person. Print,

2661
01:56:56,719 --> 01:56:58,639
get them to look at it, verify their

2662
01:56:58,639 --> 01:57:01,199
address, and sign it and and give them a

2663
01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:03,040
ballot, and they move on. They go vote.

2664
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:04,560
>> I think the voters will be happy about

2665
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:05,040
that.

2666
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:08,080
>> Yeah. The way we were in 2020.

2667
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:08,480
>> Yeah.

2668
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:13,040
>> And and and similar in 2016, the state

2669
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:16,400
60 days out for 2024. They they they

2670
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,480
were supposed to be given to us 60 days

2671
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:21,440
out. They took them away and we didn't

2672
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:24,320
have time to find I didn't find other

2673
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:27,040
ways. I didn't know Elect was out there.

2674
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:28,480
I didn't know other things were out

2675
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:29,119
there at that time.

2676
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:30,719
>> You guys did you guys did great.

2677
01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:33,280
>> So, the the committee did that.

2678
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:34,320
>> Other questions or comments?

2679
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:36,560
>> Well, yeah. And also just wanted to say

2680
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:41,679
uh of note that um you know the $16,000

2681
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:43,679
for to run to have this this election

2682
01:57:43,679 --> 01:57:46,080
with this equipment and run this way I

2683
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:48,000
think is well worth it. But it's also of

2684
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:52,560
note that they provide a technician on

2685
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:55,520
site,

2686
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,840
>> you know, on election day here. So

2687
01:57:57,840 --> 01:57:59,520
that's an extra person to make sure

2688
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:01,119
everything's running, make sure the

2689
01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:03,360
equipment's, you know, go running

2690
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,920
smoothly, an extra person cuz we're, you

2691
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:08,960
know, we we are struggling to uh field

2692
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,679
an entire uh board of elections and

2693
01:58:11,679 --> 01:58:13,280
everything. So it's nice to have an

2694
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,119
extra person there and especially one

2695
01:58:15,119 --> 01:58:17,360
who is uh an

2696
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:18,480
>> how the equipment runs.

2697
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:19,840
>> Yeah. Yeah. So I just wanted to make

2698
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:21,679
sure that everyone knew that also.

2699
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:23,440
>> Right. I'm glad you brought that up. I

2700
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:26,000
would I would like be before I move

2701
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:28,400
forward, I I would like to see if there

2702
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:32,560
if any of my uh committee members want

2703
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:34,400
to come up and add something.

2704
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:36,080
>> Actually, I I would appreciate it if

2705
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:38,239
they would.

2706
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:41,119
>> There's your answer.

2707
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:43,040
>> And by by the way, one of your next

2708
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:46,480
items is agenda items is is she's going

2709
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:48,000
to be appointed. So,

2710
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:51,430
>> yes. [laughter]

2711
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:53,920
» Good evening. My name is Aaca Flores. I

2712
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:57,119
am on the election committee and um

2713
01:58:57,119 --> 01:58:58,960
hopefully after your vote tonight, we'll

2714
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:00,800
be on the board of elections for the

2715
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:04,320
town of Chesapeake Beach. Um I have had

2716
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:07,040
the pleasure of uh serving with Randy

2717
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,360
for about since probably January,

2718
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:11,920
correct? When we started this or maybe a

2719
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:13,520
little bit before that, November.

2720
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:14,719
>> Actually, it was in November.

2721
01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:19,040
>> November. Okay. So, uh so yeah, I've learned a lot in the past five

2722
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:25,760
months. Um I um have also been

2723
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,080
learning a lot about different processes

2724
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:29,760
for voting in elections and things like

2725
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:31,199
that. And it's been kind of something

2726
01:59:31,199 --> 01:59:33,599
that I've been interested in learning

2727
01:59:33,599 --> 01:59:36,159
more about election integrity and what

2728
01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:37,760
kinds of things we can do to make sure

2729
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:39,920
that we don't have outside interference

2730
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,800
in in our processes and things of that

2731
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:46,080
sort. So, I'm hoping that I can learn a

2732
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,320
lot more from Randy and be able to serve

2733
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:51,119
on the board to be able to um help with

2734
01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:53,440
our

2735
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:56,639
uh keeping our our town uh voting

2736
01:59:56,639 --> 01:59:59,040
integrity intact.

2737
01:59:59,040 --> 01:59:59,760
>> Appreciate that.

2738
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,080
>> Okay. Any questions for me?

2739
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:02,560
>> Yes.

2740
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:04,719
>> And and uh I think that you'll be

2741
02:00:04,719 --> 02:00:06,800
introduced at the council meeting at the

2742
02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:08,800
next council meeting and then we vote

2743
02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:10,639
the following council meeting. Is that

2744
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:12,400
right? Am I wrong? So you guys have the

2745
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:13,760
opportunity to ask questions

2746
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:14,960
>> ask questions at that time

2747
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:18,159
>> so that she can be if you all decide to

2748
02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:20,400
appoint her it would be at the upcoming

2749
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:23,599
council meeting on Thursday next week

2750
02:00:23,599 --> 02:00:25,440
>> but she's here now if you want to ask

2751
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:26,239
>> I'm here now

2752
02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:28,000
>> be a good opportunity and we had some

2753
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:29,840
good conversations so

2754
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:31,920
>> I I don't I don't we talked a lot when I

2755
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,480
was campaigning so I'm more than

2756
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:35,679
appreciative of what you're

2757
02:00:35,679 --> 02:00:36,880
>> here [laughter]

2758
02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:39,360
>> no I I support you 100% more more than

2759
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:41,360
appreciative you stepping up to this I

2760
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:42,320
appreciate a lot.

2761
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:45,520
>> I echoed that sentiment. Uh I do want to

2762
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:49,119
say that um for the council's purposes

2763
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:51,119
and everything understanding we did talk

2764
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:53,199
about during in the committee we talked

2765
02:00:53,199 --> 02:00:55,199
about because there are going to be some

2766
02:00:55,199 --> 02:00:57,840
changes that need to happen in the in

2767
02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:00,239
the code and I don't know if it's

2768
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:02,560
charter and code or or or just one or

2769
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,599
the other but um we decided as a count

2770
02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:07,679
as a as a committee that we thought the

2771
02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:10,400
proper place for that discussion and

2772
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:13,119
fleshing out those types of issues was

2773
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:15,760
in the board of elections, not the

2774
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:18,320
committee. So, this is going to be

2775
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:23,520
something that um any new comm any new

2776
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:27,520
uh um board members will be tackling

2777
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:29,520
>> uh in the near immediately.

2778
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:31,679
>> Yeah.

2779
02:01:31,679 --> 02:01:37,830
>> So, I appreciate your

2780
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:39,520
as do I.

2781
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:41,840
>> All right. Thank you.

2782
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:47,254
>> Anyone else?

2783
02:01:47,264 --> 02:01:49,199
» [laughter]

2784
02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:50,000
>> All right,

2785
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,520
>> we good.

2786
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,679
>> Anybody else got any questions? Are you

2787
02:01:53,679 --> 02:01:53,920
done?

2788
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:55,520
>> I just want to say I know Aaca and her

2789
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:57,199
husband and they're they're good people

2790
02:01:57,199 --> 02:02:00,080
and now you got to get Joe to come on a

2791
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:03,350
committee.

2792
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:05,280
» I know.

2793
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:14,950
I'll talk to them.

2794
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:16,880
I'm glad you I'm glad you stepped up.

2795
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:18,560
I'm sure you'll you'll be great on that.

2796
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:18,960
Um

2797
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:20,800
>> yeah, we we all appreciate that.

2798
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:21,599
>> Thank you.

2799
02:02:21,599 --> 02:02:23,920
>> It's critically important to our

2800
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,080
municipality to have a great board of

2801
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:28,400
elections and everything way above

2802
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:30,719
board, you know. So, uh thank you so

2803
02:02:30,719 --> 02:02:33,280
much for stepping up everybody. You too,

2804
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:35,599
my friend.

2805
02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:39,199
Oh, I'm I'm uh I'm hearing that we want

2806
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:41,920
to go town run election contractor

2807
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:46,070
support. Was there any

2808
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:49,440
» Okay. And and I and I'm also hearing no

2809
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:51,040
multiple election.

2810
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:52,080
>> I I think that

2811
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:53,280
>> that's necessary.

2812
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:57,040
>> Okay. And and that's something that

2813
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:58,800
could be changed by code at a later

2814
02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:01,280
date, but it's not something I will be

2815
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:04,080
that we will be looking at. and the fact

2816
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:05,840
that we're going

2817
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:08,159
>> town run election contractor support.

2818
02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:10,719
There are not that many changes to the

2819
02:03:10,719 --> 02:03:12,800
code that have to take place.

2820
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:15,760
>> U there there's only a few tweaks that

2821
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:17,360
have to be done. There would have been a

2822
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:20,480
lot more if we went with the uh going on

2823
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:22,239
the county ballot there. We would have

2824
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:24,000
to pretty much rewrite our election

2825
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:25,515
code.

2826
02:03:25,515 --> 02:03:27,040
[laughter]

2827
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:29,760
>> I do have one question. Is was there a

2828
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,639
law last year that we had to accept

2829
02:03:32,639 --> 02:03:35,199
mail-in ballots?

2830
02:03:35,199 --> 02:03:38,080
Some reason I remember something around

2831
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:41,119
>> there is there is there is nothing that

2832
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:45,840
I'm aware of that that dictates

2833
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:48,480
the municipalities have to do that.

2834
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:50,880
>> But we did do it, right? Didn't did we

2835
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:51,199
do

2836
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:57,599
>> we have absentee ballots in our code. We don't really call them mailin. They changed the term from absentee to

2837
02:03:57,599 --> 02:04:01,360
mailin for for the uh county and state.

2838
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:01,760
>> Okay.

2839
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:04,400
>> Ours is absentee ballots. However,

2840
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:11,360
there's not a big distinction. U the we you don't have to have an excuse for

2841
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:13,040
doing an absentee ballot. You don't have

2842
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:16,080
to be going away or something. Ours

2843
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:18,400
basically allows any registered voter

2844
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,800
for Chesapeake Beach to decide to do an

2845
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:23,199
absentee ballot if they want. which is

2846
02:04:23,199 --> 02:04:25,520
another reason why having a multiple

2847
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:28,320
election days is not really necessary.

2848
02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:30,719
If they want to vote and they can't make

2849
02:04:30,719 --> 02:04:33,040
election day, they can still vote by

2850
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,639
absentee ballot.

2851
02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:36,159
>> Okay, that's that's what I thought. And

2852
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:37,920
the confusion that I had wasn't around

2853
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:41,040
any communication by you, but there were

2854
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:43,760
confusing conversations there

2855
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:46,239
>> that happened. There have been I I think

2856
02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:48,159
there there's been talk in legislation

2857
02:04:48,159 --> 02:04:50,400
and stuff for the county, state,

2858
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:52,880
federal, but

2859
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:54,800
that doesn't apply to us.

2860
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:55,520
>> Gotcha.

2861
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:58,480
>> Our code applies to us.

2862
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:02,159
>> Understood. Thank you.

2863
02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:05,599
>> All right. Well, then if there's no more

2864
02:05:05,599 --> 02:05:06,560
questions.

2865
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:08,400
>> So, I'm thinking I have my answer, which

2866
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:12,639
is downrun election and and no multiple

2867
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:16,000
days. I believe that that is what I'm

2868
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,400
seeing a bunch of thumbs up here. Thumbs

2869
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:19,199
up. Thumbs up.

2870
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:19,760
>> Yes.

2871
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:21,440
>> Appreciate your time.

2872
02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:22,000
>> Well,

2873
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:26,400
>> and I and I I will take one more. I it

2874
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:29,920
was very helpful to to have uh um

2875
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:32,480
Anthony and Eric on on the committee

2876
02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:35,119
because it it really when we start

2877
02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:36,639
looking at whether we want to go on the

2878
02:05:36,639 --> 02:05:38,239
county ballot, the thing I was most

2879
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:41,040
worried about is is uh what happens to

2880
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:42,719
the candidates that we're going to get

2881
02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:45,599
because it would most affect them.

2882
02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:47,280
>> It it would most affect somebody that

2883
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:50,000
wanted to run and and so it was very

2884
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,719
helpful to have their insight.

2885
02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:54,960
>> Thank you. and and I do appreciate every

2886
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:57,360
member of the uh committee. They did a

2887
02:05:57,360 --> 02:06:05,669
we did a lot of work together

2888
02:06:05,679 --> 02:06:08,560
» and I especially appreciate you. I know

2889
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:11,119
how much effort you put into this. So,

2890
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:14,310
thank you.

2891
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:16,480
» You're not moving, are you? You'll still

2892
02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:17,840
be around, right? You know, you know the

2893
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:23,520
re the reason I I had to put my name in the uh brief is is because Eric kept

2894
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:25,760
pushing me to do that.

2895
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:28,080
>> Well, yeah, because it is important to

2896
02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:31,679
know that he plans to step down and you

2897
02:06:31,679 --> 02:06:34,239
know that is a factor in our

2898
02:06:34,239 --> 02:06:35,920
decision-making process.

2899
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:37,760
>> It is.

2900
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,760
>> You'll still be available for advice,

2901
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:43,990
right?

2902
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:44,719
» There you go.

2903
02:06:44,719 --> 02:06:45,520
>> Town council.

2904
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:49,280
>> There you go. Sounds good. Town council,

2905
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:55,510
mayor, town council, mayor, mayor.

2906
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:58,480
So much experience.

2907
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:01,119
All right. Well, thank you. Thank you so

2908
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:08,950
much. Um,

2909
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:11,360
all right. We're moving on to the next

2910
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:13,280
item on the agenda, which is state

2911
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:16,800
highway updates. and uh Dr. Oak Padu is

2912
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:20,239
going to brief us on that.

2913
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:23,840
>> Thank you. Um it's a pretty brief brief.

2914
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:27,920
Um it's we in order for us to officially

2915
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:29,760
um withdraw from the grant that we

2916
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:31,199
currently have. I have to submit a

2917
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:33,679
letter. So this is really letting you

2918
02:07:33,679 --> 02:07:35,920
all know that that is what the next step

2919
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:38,960
is for um for the grant that we

2920
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:42,960
currently have. Um the the grant process

2921
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:44,719
is open now for transportation

2922
02:07:44,719 --> 02:07:46,639
alternatives. It's open through the end

2923
02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:49,280
of April. And so uh the town engineer

2924
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:52,480
and I have a meeting scheduled um for

2925
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:54,880
later this week when he returns um to

2926
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:57,440
work through the application and move

2927
02:07:57,440 --> 02:08:01,350
forward and submit.

2928
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:04,400
» Um do we need to know like which

2929
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:06,400
alternative we're thinking about for the

2930
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:08,239
to submit for the grant or

2931
02:08:08,239 --> 02:08:10,560
>> Yes. So my understanding from the last

2932
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:12,159
time that we had the large larger

2933
02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:14,560
conversation was that everyone seemed to

2934
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:17,199
be largely on board with alternative one

2935
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:19,199
and so that is what we would be moving

2936
02:08:19,199 --> 02:08:22,159
forward with. Um the transportation

2937
02:08:22,159 --> 02:08:24,159
alternative grant is slightly different

2938
02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:26,960
now than it used to be. So before you

2939
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:29,360
would have to apply once for a 30% grant

2940
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:32,639
and then again for 100% grant. They

2941
02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:34,800
don't do that now. It's just one 100%

2942
02:08:34,800 --> 02:08:36,719
grant which will streamline the process.

2943
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:39,199
Yeah. Um and so they've shared that's

2944
02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:43,040
the federal grant. Um and they've also

2945
02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:44,800
shared that there may be opportunities

2946
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:46,960
to apply for some state fundings as

2947
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:52,719
well. So um we are looking into that.

2948
02:08:52,719 --> 02:08:56,560
>> But we are going to get out of the grant

2949
02:08:56,560 --> 02:08:59,119
pipeline and hope that we have a grant.

2950
02:08:59,119 --> 02:09:01,280
Is that what we're talking about doing?

2951
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:04,239
we are going to withdraw the from the

2952
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:05,920
grant that we currently have because

2953
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:07,679
that was my understanding of the the

2954
02:09:07,679 --> 02:09:11,360
council's will and we will apply for

2955
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:12,880
another grant.

2956
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:14,639
>> No guarantee on another

2957
02:09:14,639 --> 02:09:16,800
>> there's there is never a guarantee when

2958
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:19,119
you're applying for grants. So that it's

2959
02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:20,560
not like they're saying yes we're going

2960
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:22,320
to earmark these funds for you. Right.

2961
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:26,320
So, so this basically could cost us the

2962
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:29,360
same $68,000

2963
02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:34,069
that is currently budgeted,

2964
02:09:34,079 --> 02:09:37,920
but we could move forward with the grant

2965
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:39,920
that we have, stay in the grant

2966
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:45,040
pipeline, which might line us up for

2967
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:48,079
the construction grant as well.

2968
02:09:48,079 --> 02:09:51,840
And the only risk to that situation is

2969
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:54,400
that we pay exactly what we're saying

2970
02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:57,840
we're going to pay anyways. It's it's

2971
02:09:57,840 --> 02:09:59,440
just

2972
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:02,800
to me it's really poor decision- making.

2973
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:06,800
It's going to set us back in time.

2974
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:11,360
I think that we do have a 30% design

2975
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:16,159
that is um viable according to the state

2976
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:18,560
um viable according to rightways and

2977
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:20,800
easements

2978
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:23,840
and um takes everybody on a safer route

2979
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:28,400
and eliminates an a situation of

2980
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:32,560
unsafety that will not be eliminated

2981
02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:36,079
by going through Woodshshire Avenue. Um,

2982
02:10:36,079 --> 02:10:37,520
I would argue that going through

2983
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:40,560
Woodshshire Avenue introduces a whole

2984
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:42,719
lot of foot traffic to a neighborhood

2985
02:10:42,719 --> 02:10:46,880
that may not want it. Um, it also takes

2986
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:50,400
people on a path that is not visible by

2987
02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:59,040
road or by common traffic. Um, I believe that

2988
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:01,599
there's a reason why SHA rightways along

2989
02:11:01,599 --> 02:11:05,199
a roadway exist and why they will build

2990
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:10,639
those connections along those areas. And

2991
02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:13,760
I can see where this the whole step

2992
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:17,775
situation by the marsh is um

2993
02:11:17,775 --> 02:11:20,079
[clears throat] maybe not ideal, but it

2994
02:11:20,079 --> 02:11:22,639
also will be

2995
02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:25,199
it's we have a guaranteed

2996
02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:27,679
route there and there's no reason why we

2997
02:11:27,679 --> 02:11:31,199
couldn't get the same open space grants

2998
02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:34,239
that we are unsure whether we can get or

2999
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:38,239
not and add them to the burden in hand

3000
02:11:38,239 --> 02:11:41,199
that we have that we just dismissed.

3001
02:11:41,199 --> 02:11:47,199
Um, this project has been going on and on and on and what I see is this

3002
02:11:47,199 --> 02:11:49,280
council, even though we are funded and

3003
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:52,800
we have the ability to do this project,

3004
02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:54,639
sending it back around in a circle and

3005
02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:58,800
it really it it's hugely frustrating to

3006
02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:02,480
me and it's hugely frustrating to

3007
02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:05,360
everybody. Um,

3008
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:07,119
I know you hate being called new, but

3009
02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:09,520
you are new. Um, many many people

3010
02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:11,119
>> Well, I I don't hate being called new. I

3011
02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:12,400
just This is This has already been

3012
02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:14,480
litigated like 80 times in this this

3013
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:16,159
like the question is just an update.

3014
02:12:16,159 --> 02:12:18,639
This isn't us re redisputing this.

3015
02:12:18,639 --> 02:12:20,000
You're you're literally bringing back

3016
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:21,840
the previous work session and the

3017
02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:23,520
previous council session. So, I would

3018
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:25,679
ask that we move uh to strike this

3019
02:12:25,679 --> 02:12:26,960
conversation and move forward because

3020
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:28,960
this is not a we're not revoting. This

3021
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:30,560
has already been discussed. It's already

3022
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:32,320
been set in stone. You agreed that we

3023
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:33,599
were going to look us.

3024
02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:34,480
>> You said we were going to look at

3025
02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:35,760
alternatives. You supported

3026
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:38,079
alternatives. Alternatives go. So like

3027
02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:38,960
this is ridiculous.

3028
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:41,520
>> One one one person at a time, please.

3029
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:46,000
And um I think that

3030
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:51,199
it's not valuable to spend time to re

3031
02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:54,159
reitigate this. This is where we're

3032
02:12:54,159 --> 02:12:57,280
headed. Um is there anything else,

3033
02:12:57,280 --> 02:12:59,760
Amelia, that you want to add to this?

3034
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:01,280
>> Not for SHA at this time.

3035
02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:02,880
>> Okay. You never got approved for the

3036
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:05,360
100% design grant, right? Cuz it was two

3037
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:07,520
separate grants. We got approved for 30%

3038
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:08,639
but not 100%.

3039
02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:10,880
>> We we had the approval. So we completed

3040
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:13,599
the 30% which was the feasibility and we

3041
02:13:13,599 --> 02:13:16,880
have the the 100% design funds. That's

3042
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:17,760
what was

3043
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:19,599
>> right. But they went over budget and all

3044
02:13:19,599 --> 02:13:20,800
that. Okay. Yeah.

3045
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:22,320
>> No, they didn't go over budget.

3046
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:24,239
>> All right. Again,

3047
02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:26,560
>> again, we're we are

3048
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:26,960
>> Okay.

3049
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:29,679
>> giving away a grant. We're going to

3050
02:13:29,679 --> 02:13:31,440
reapply for the new grant

3051
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:34,159
>> and we will wait for it.

3052
02:13:34,159 --> 02:13:36,159
>> That's the plan. Thank you very much.

3053
02:13:36,159 --> 02:13:39,679
Let's move on. Um,

3054
02:13:39,679 --> 02:13:44,239
next is the um rail trail expansion and

3055
02:13:44,239 --> 02:13:47,360
the concept plans and you have do you

3056
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:47,920
have a

3057
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:49,840
>> it's not for the slide is

3058
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:52,320
>> so you you have this

3059
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:55,040
um and

3060
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:57,840
had recent discussions with Similia and

3061
02:13:57,840 --> 02:14:02,719
other staff uh regarding this. Um and so

3062
02:14:02,719 --> 02:14:05,520
after uh this is really a little hard to

3063
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:10,159
see, but after uh discussing this

3064
02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:14,000
um as as you all know, I was I advocated

3065
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,320
for the the current rail trail for

3066
02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:19,679
decades and finally got done what has

3067
02:14:19,679 --> 02:14:23,360
been done to date, which is now over I

3068
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:26,000
don't even remember how long ago it was.

3069
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:28,719
And [clears throat] and I I know I'm

3070
02:14:28,719 --> 02:14:30,639
repeating myself, but I'm old, so I'm

3071
02:14:30,639 --> 02:14:33,119
allowed to do that. The piece that's

3072
02:14:33,119 --> 02:14:35,840
shown in red down here, and I can barely

3073
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:38,960
read it, but it it it's the rest of the

3074
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:42,239
right of way. That was the that was the

3075
02:14:42,239 --> 02:14:44,239
big cut in the hill coming down from

3076
02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:48,079
Richfield Station. We had approval from

3077
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:50,639
all of the agencies except one to build

3078
02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:54,800
that. I think uh that agency recognized

3079
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,040
that they made a mistake as soon as I

3080
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:59,920
took them out and showed them the trail,

3081
02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:02,400
but those pe that that goes back I think

3082
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:04,639
22 years or something like that. So

3083
02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:06,880
they're those same people are no longer

3084
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:09,920
there. So my thought was in discussing

3085
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:12,880
this with uh the engineer and with

3086
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:14,639
Sumeriia

3087
02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:16,880
uh it was to

3088
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:19,040
re-energize that bottom part of

3089
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:21,679
Richfield Station and build it around.

3090
02:15:21,679 --> 02:15:24,480
Another concept that was presented there

3091
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:27,440
was this additional trail that goes uh

3092
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:29,280
back to the northwest and then loops

3093
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:31,920
around and goes back up into Richfield

3094
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:34,239
Station. So you could actually make a

3095
02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:35,599
circle all the way around through

3096
02:15:35,599 --> 02:15:38,000
Richfield Station. I'm not opposed to

3097
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:39,599
that, although I think that it's got a

3098
02:15:39,599 --> 02:15:41,360
lot of challenges, but I'm not opposed

3099
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:44,400
to doing it. And as far as con

3100
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:47,679
continuing it on the right of way, uh

3101
02:15:47,679 --> 02:15:51,119
the once you get to the town limits,

3102
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:55,040
that's not a town issue, but I will be

3103
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:59,679
happy to advocate uh to the county um

3104
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:02,079
and and try to gain support from our

3105
02:16:02,079 --> 02:16:05,920
county commissioners to consider uh

3106
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:08,400
conducting or you know, building the

3107
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:12,239
trail further on out. Um, and as you

3108
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:14,320
know, Route 260 where it goes from two

3109
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:16,639
lanes to four lanes is once you're on

3110
02:16:16,639 --> 02:16:18,800
the two-lane part, that is the railroad

3111
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:21,599
right away. And there are still several

3112
02:16:21,599 --> 02:16:25,040
existing buildings along Route 260 that

3113
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:28,400
were there in the heyday of the railroad

3114
02:16:28,400 --> 02:16:30,320
uh back which went out of business in

3115
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:32,160
1935.

3116
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:34,080
So anyway, that's where we stand with

3117
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,800
that. And uh Similia, do you want to add

3118
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:39,519
anything to that? Uh the only thing that

3119
02:16:39,519 --> 02:16:41,120
else that I would add to it is that

3120
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:42,960
we're in the process I'm expecting to

3121
02:16:42,960 --> 02:16:45,760
receive the RFP um by the end of this

3122
02:16:45,760 --> 02:16:49,760
week for the rail trail expansion um so

3123
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:51,439
that we can move forward with bidding

3124
02:16:51,439 --> 02:16:54,399
it.

3125
02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:55,359
>> Council,

3126
02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:56,160
>> I have a question.

3127
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:57,280
>> Yes, sir.

3128
02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:01,359
>> Um I love this project. Um the glad to

3129
02:17:01,359 --> 02:17:01,840
hear it.

3130
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:05,280
>> The uh so I just have one question. the

3131
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:07,439
um in the phase one proposed phase one

3132
02:17:07,439 --> 02:17:08,719
here in the diagram.

3133
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:09,280
>> Mhm.

3134
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:14,240
>> It looks as though the um proposed phase

3135
02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:17,519
one does stop short of the town limits.

3136
02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:19,040
Is there a reason it doesn't go all the

3137
02:17:19,040 --> 02:17:20,000
way to the town limit?

3138
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:22,160
>> Yeah. And the reason is because it's

3139
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:24,719
overwater. We're not building a bridge

3140
02:17:24,719 --> 02:17:25,920
there. Mhm.

3141
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:28,080
>> And so that would there's be no point in

3142
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,080
building a bridge to take you to the

3143
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:31,599
town limits because all you would do

3144
02:17:31,599 --> 02:17:33,679
would be to get across the bridge and

3145
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:35,200
you would be at the town limits.

3146
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:35,840
>> Makes sense.

3147
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,880
>> And so if we can ever encourage the

3148
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:40,719
county to build it all the way on

3149
02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:42,160
further, that's when to build that

3150
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:42,559
bridge.

3151
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:44,960
>> Okay. Makes sense.

3152
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:53,750
>> Other questions, Eric? Um

3153
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:57,040
and so yeah um and so we looked at this

3154
02:17:57,040 --> 02:17:59,679
in the budget on uh capital budget

3155
02:17:59,679 --> 02:18:02,639
general fund uh line item rail trail

3156
02:18:02,639 --> 02:18:04,800
extension construction. We have in there

3157
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:07,830
budgeted

3158
02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:11,760
um it looks like a a budget of 2 million

3159
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:14,559
for the entire project over three years.

3160
02:18:14,559 --> 02:18:21,509
Is that something we got from Wayne?

3161
02:18:21,519 --> 02:18:26,870
And that's

3162
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:28,800
» like a throw up kind of number.

3163
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:33,200
>> I think once we once he's done um with

3164
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:34,719
the design portion, then we'll have a

3165
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:39,030
little bit more

3166
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:41,599
to build. There's some existing tieins

3167
02:18:41,599 --> 02:18:49,349
there. Anybody

3168
02:18:49,359 --> 02:18:52,319
else? Yes. Question.

3169
02:18:52,319 --> 02:18:58,080
>> Um, so just um for the record,

3170
02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:01,200
I have no desire to pursue pursue this

3171
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:04,950
project before

3172
02:19:04,960 --> 02:19:09,200
um a connection from Chesapeake Village

3173
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:13,200
to town is underway.

3174
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:15,439
Secondly,

3175
02:19:15,439 --> 02:19:18,800
there is a 200 acre parcel that is still

3176
02:19:18,800 --> 02:19:22,719
in possession of Mr. Repky

3177
02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:25,120
um

3178
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:28,399
that he owes to either Richfield Station

3179
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:30,719
or a public entity

3180
02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:33,359
or a covenant.

3181
02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:37,679
I'm not a huge fan of phase two of this

3182
02:19:37,679 --> 02:19:39,200
proposal,

3183
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:44,240
but I additionally have concerns about

3184
02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:47,589
um

3185
02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:49,760
legalities associated with building on

3186
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:54,319
Mr. Repy's property before he acquiesces

3187
02:19:54,319 --> 02:19:58,080
the 200 acre parcel that he

3188
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:00,960
should not be allowed to keep.

3189
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:04,880
So, I would just urge the town to

3190
02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:06,800
cross their tees and dot their eyes.

3191
02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:09,200
This this really isn't my project

3192
02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:10,880
anymore.

3193
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:14,479
Um, of course, I do support a railway

3194
02:20:14,479 --> 02:20:18,880
trail expansion, but there are several

3195
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:24,399
things that concern me. And um

3196
02:20:24,399 --> 02:20:26,399
again, I I I thank you for the railway

3197
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:29,439
trail that you did build and you have a

3198
02:20:29,439 --> 02:20:31,760
vision, but I have very deep concerns

3199
02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:33,680
about the 200 acre parcel and the safety

3200
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:36,080
of my neighborhood that supersede my

3201
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:39,590
desire to

3202
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:41,200
» Thank you for your comments. Anybody

3203
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:42,319
else?

3204
02:20:42,319 --> 02:20:44,640
>> Yeah, I just wanted to say that I would

3205
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:47,200
like to see the connection from like

3206
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:48,640
right where the blue and the red line

3207
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:52,720
meet. um like the end of the existing

3208
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:56,720
trail uh to connect to Beach Elementary

3209
02:20:56,720 --> 02:20:58,479
as part of one of the projects. I think

3210
02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:01,359
that was already thought of before. I

3211
02:21:01,359 --> 02:21:04,880
just want to voice my support for that

3212
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:07,280
connection.

3213
02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:09,280
>> Okay. Anybody else?

3214
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:11,359
>> Not sure. I What can you explain that?

3215
02:21:11,359 --> 02:21:13,520
>> Well, maybe not where the you know like

3216
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:16,000
where the trail te's off and you can

3217
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:17,680
either go right or left.

3218
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:19,040
>> It's right where you go left. right

3219
02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:20,960
where the sidewalk starts, there's a

3220
02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:23,359
clear path to Beach Elementary. I think

3221
02:21:23,359 --> 02:21:25,520
there's already a there's already some

3222
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:26,880
kind of concept plan for that

3223
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:27,680
connection.

3224
02:21:27,680 --> 02:21:29,280
>> We just have to request property from

3225
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:31,040
the uh the county and they've already

3226
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:33,120
agreed to do that once we're ready for

3227
02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:34,080
it.

3228
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:36,560
>> It's just a a boardwalk connection to

3229
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:38,640
the school,

3230
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:40,960
>> but they can do their field trips.

3231
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:43,200
>> Are you speaking about down where the

3232
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:44,720
water well is or are you thinking about

3233
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:47,040
up over the big hill once you go across

3234
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:50,319
the bridge? No, no. Right when you hit

3235
02:21:50,319 --> 02:21:52,160
the tea, you can go right to Richfield

3236
02:21:52,160 --> 02:21:55,040
Station or left takes you on the trail.

3237
02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:56,800
You go left and then right where the

3238
02:21:56,800 --> 02:21:59,120
sidewalk starts, there's like a clear

3239
02:21:59,120 --> 02:22:02,240
straight path to the school.

3240
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:03,920
>> I'm We would just need to build a

3241
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:06,319
boardwalk

3242
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:08,160
>> real fast. We did a feasibility study

3243
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:09,600
with the walkable communities and then

3244
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:11,280
we actually took out there. So yeah,

3245
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:13,280
line of sight it is, but elevation wise

3246
02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:16,319
it's like 70 ft cuz you're at sea level

3247
02:22:16,319 --> 02:22:18,640
6t above it at the trail and you're like

3248
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:21,120
plus 75 at the school. So we walked that

3249
02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:23,520
actually for feasibility and they didn't

3250
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:24,880
know how to figure that out cuz that

3251
02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:26,800
wasn't one of the initial phases. I'm

3252
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:28,880
not saying to exclude it, but the hurdle

3253
02:22:28,880 --> 02:22:30,720
was the height difference uh cuz it's

3254
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:32,160
pretty level until you get to the school

3255
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:32,880
and it's

3256
02:22:32,880 --> 02:22:33,760
>> it's steep

3257
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:35,520
>> and they abandoned the two trails that

3258
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:38,080
they did have because of they failed on

3259
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:39,520
the hillside. I was going to say I

3260
02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:40,800
thought there were some switchbacks in

3261
02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:41,760
there or something.

3262
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:43,200
>> They were, but they've been abandoned

3263
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:44,640
for a few years. They used to come down

3264
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:46,399
to the old well site and come through,

3265
02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:49,120
but they failed. The slope failed. So,

3266
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:51,600
not saying not pursue it, but that was

3267
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:52,960
the hurdle when we did the initial

3268
02:22:52,960 --> 02:22:55,680
feasibility study with a third party and

3269
02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:58,560
they just thought it was not possible at

3270
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:00,560
that time. And I think it's safe to say

3271
02:23:00,560 --> 02:23:02,560
there's I I I would be willing to bet

3272
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:04,880
you that there's not a single person on

3273
02:23:04,880 --> 02:23:07,920
this council that wants to not have as

3274
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:12,800
much walkability as possible within our town. I mean, everybody wants

3275
02:23:12,800 --> 02:23:14,720
to do that. It's it's not a matter of

3276
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:16,479
what we want to do. It's a matter of

3277
02:23:16,479 --> 02:23:18,560
what we can do and how we get it done

3278
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:20,240
and what's feasible and what's not

3279
02:23:20,240 --> 02:23:24,240
feasible. And so this is this piece

3280
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:26,800
that's being proposed here is an easy

3281
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:29,280
win because it was already approved by

3282
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:32,160
21 agencies of the state.

3283
02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:34,800
>> And uh I think Wendy's been pulling all

3284
02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:38,319
the documentation from the original

3285
02:23:38,319 --> 02:23:40,960
uh all of the stuff that we put together

3286
02:23:40,960 --> 02:23:42,960
for the state and the joint evaluation

3287
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:44,640
committee that I testified in front of

3288
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:47,040
and all that. So we're gathering all the

3289
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:49,600
information. we'll represent it and and

3290
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:52,640
I I believe that that's doable. Uh not

3291
02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:54,880
that we don't want to do anything else.

3292
02:23:54,880 --> 02:23:58,160
It's just that this one is probably

3293
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,800
doable and gets us to the town limits

3294
02:24:00,800 --> 02:24:03,439
and that, you know, hopefully that sets

3295
02:24:03,439 --> 02:24:05,200
a pattern for a whole lot more

3296
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:08,000
walkability in the town.

3297
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:09,600
Does anybody else have anything they

3298
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:11,280
want to say about this or questions

3299
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:12,720
about this?

3300
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:14,800
>> I'm just going to push a little bit. Are

3301
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:18,800
you arguing that this is more feasible

3302
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:22,640
>> than a state verified

3303
02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:24,240
grant

3304
02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:26,560
to connect a neighborhood to town where

3305
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:28,399
it's unsafe?

3306
02:24:28,399 --> 02:24:30,640
>> I'm I'm not saying that at all. I'm

3307
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:32,800
saying that this is something that was

3308
02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:35,840
approved over 20 years ago and I want to

3309
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:38,080
see it move forward. It has nothing to

3310
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:39,760
do with the other project that we're

3311
02:24:39,760 --> 02:24:42,640
talking about

3312
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:45,040
and it's not an eitheror situation as

3313
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:47,120
far as I'm concerned. We we pursue both

3314
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:49,280
of them at the same time. This one I

3315
02:24:49,280 --> 02:24:52,080
think we can get done

3316
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:53,840
>> as opposed to the other one.

3317
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:54,479
>> I'm sorry.

3318
02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:56,080
>> As opposed to the other one

3319
02:24:56,080 --> 02:24:58,000
>> I didn't say. Did you hear me say that?

3320
02:24:58,000 --> 02:25:01,359
Those words never left my lips. I said

3321
02:25:01,359 --> 02:25:03,680
this one can be done. It was already

3322
02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:06,479
approved. That's all I said. I didn't

3323
02:25:06,479 --> 02:25:11,510
say anything else. Thank you.

3324
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:13,840
Can we move on to the home occupations

3325
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:15,600
discussion?

3326
02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:23,030
>> Sharon.

3327
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:23,760
» Hi.

3328
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:27,680
>> Good evening, sir. Um, so you all have

3329
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:29,680
in front of you and you've introduced

3330
02:25:29,680 --> 02:25:34,319
for um approval the um updates to the

3331
02:25:34,319 --> 02:25:37,120
home occupations that you requested. Um,

3332
02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:39,840
just a reminder, these are a quick fix,

3333
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:43,680
a 90-day fix. They are not how the

3334
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:46,000
planning commission is looking at for a

3335
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:48,479
long-term solution in the the six-month

3336
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:50,800
process of the land use classifications

3337
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:54,640
being updated. Um and so uh if you have

3338
02:25:54,640 --> 02:25:57,520
any other questions or concerns, I'm

3339
02:25:57,520 --> 02:25:59,200
here to answer them.

3340
02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:03,200
>> One, um only one thing for me um one a

3341
02:26:03,200 --> 02:26:05,280
where it says and has minimal negative

3342
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:06,240
impact

3343
02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:07,760
>> on the neighborhood where the business

3344
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:10,160
is located. I think that is very

3345
02:26:10,160 --> 02:26:12,399
subjective. When you say the words

3346
02:26:12,399 --> 02:26:14,160
minimal and negative, those are not

3347
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:16,160
definitive things that you can define or

3348
02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:18,560
explain and it opens it up to a gray

3349
02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:21,040
area to be a person's opinion on what is

3350
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:25,439
minimal and negative. Um, when you go to

3351
02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:28,160
J, you have it here where it says uh

3352
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:30,000
establishment of or operation of a home

3353
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:32,080
occupation is harmonious with the

3354
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:33,600
character of neighboring residential

3355
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:38,800
uses and does not create traffic, etc., I think that kind of covers that.

3356
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:41,600
>> So for me to make sure that we have

3357
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:44,720
codes that you can actually enforce and

3358
02:26:44,720 --> 02:26:47,520
is not opinionated, I would ask to

3359
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:50,000
remove that verbiage.

3360
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:52,479
But that would be my only um from going

3361
02:26:52,479 --> 02:26:53,920
through this. That's the only thing that

3362
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:56,240
I had concern about. I would like for

3363
02:26:56,240 --> 02:26:59,600
our codes to be as succinct as possible

3364
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:01,359
so that there's not a lot of questions

3365
02:27:01,359 --> 02:27:04,800
or opinions or or push back from people

3366
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:08,080
saying well I didn't have minimal imp

3367
02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:09,520
you know it wasn't negative it was

3368
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:12,399
positive impact so that was be my only

3369
02:27:12,399 --> 02:27:15,359
thing that I would want to bring up

3370
02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:16,640
>> okay

3371
02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:19,439
>> good call

3372
02:27:19,439 --> 02:27:21,840
>> council anything else

3373
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:24,630
>> agree with

3374
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:25,920
Just [clears throat] just want to make

3375
02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:29,359
it as easy as possible. If it's wrong, If it's right, it's right.

3376
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:32,399
>> No opinions, no favoritism, you know.

3377
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:36,319
Just make it simple.

3378
02:27:36,319 --> 02:27:43,750
>> And I I'm just

3379
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:51,030
» up here so you get recorded, please.

3380
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:53,680
Nothing in this code is going to

3381
02:27:53,680 --> 02:27:56,880
supersede a homeowner association

3382
02:27:56,880 --> 02:27:59,760
governing documents that will limit what

3383
02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:02,240
kind of businesses or what kind of

3384
02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:05,200
occupancy can be in their home. Correct.

3385
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:06,720
>> That's correct.

3386
02:28:06,720 --> 02:28:08,479
>> That's my question. Thank you.

3387
02:28:08,479 --> 02:28:10,800
>> I'm glad you asked that question.

3388
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:12,720
>> I just wanted to ask a procedural

3389
02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:15,760
question. Is is this something that

3390
02:28:15,760 --> 02:28:18,240
would need to be brought up for a vote

3391
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:20,080
at the next meeting? Is this something

3392
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:23,040
that can be voted on now?

3393
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:25,840
>> Can can be voted on comments.

3394
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:27,200
>> Yeah, it has to be brought up in the

3395
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:29,760
next meeting.

3396
02:28:29,760 --> 02:28:31,439
>> I think we're all in alignment with

3397
02:28:31,439 --> 02:28:34,240
>> So, yeah, I think that what's presented

3398
02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:36,479
at the meeting

3399
02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:39,280
um doesn't have to be this document. It

3400
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:41,120
can be something different. And if we

3401
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:43,280
all agree that we would like a c to see

3402
02:28:43,280 --> 02:28:45,120
a certain change, that change can be

3403
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:46,960
made

3404
02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:48,479
before before

3405
02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:50,000
>> before a regular session.

3406
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:51,920
>> That was my question.

3407
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:58,232
>> So I have a couple questions about this.

3408
02:28:58,232 --> 02:28:58,319
[clears throat]

3409
02:28:58,319 --> 02:29:02,479
>> Um so this contains two sections and one

3410
02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:04,399
of the sections contains home

3411
02:29:04,399 --> 02:29:06,880
occupations that are not permitted. And

3412
02:29:06,880 --> 02:29:09,920
I did a little research

3413
02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:13,359
and I did not find

3414
02:29:13,359 --> 02:29:16,960
home occupations that were not permitted

3415
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:22,720
in common code. So I'm I'm curious about

3416
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:26,720
um the section of this code that does

3417
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:28,560
not require a permit.

3418
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:30,960
>> Can you be specific about where a permit

3419
02:29:30,960 --> 02:29:33,120
is not required? where it says there's

3420
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:38,479
>> so in the first um

3421
02:29:38,479 --> 02:29:42,000
customary home occupation um it has a

3422
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:45,200
long list of things and pay is a zoning

3423
02:29:45,200 --> 02:29:48,000
permit is obtained then it has

3424
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:53,680
conditional use in the RV1 RLD RMD R HD

3425
02:29:53,680 --> 02:29:55,680
and RPC

3426
02:29:55,680 --> 02:29:58,720
um and I don't see that same language in

3427
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:01,439
that um if I were reading the zoning

3428
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:04,960
code. Uh I would assume that I do not

3429
02:30:04,960 --> 02:30:08,080
need a permit. So if you are planning on

3430
02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:11,040
requiring a permit for

3431
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:14,319
um section two,

3432
02:30:14,319 --> 02:30:16,800
>> I would say that we would want to

3433
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:19,040
include that same language that it

3434
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:21,120
requires a permit and requiring a permit

3435
02:30:21,120 --> 02:30:23,840
for a home occupation is the common

3436
02:30:23,840 --> 02:30:27,120
practice from what I can tell.

3437
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:32,640
Um, so that there's that in general. Um,

3438
02:30:32,640 --> 02:30:33,200
additionally,

3439
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:34,560
>> can I add on to that real quick because

3440
02:30:34,560 --> 02:30:37,040
it's that is a good call. Is there a

3441
02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:39,040
difference because it's a zoning permit

3442
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:40,960
versus home occupation? Is there a

3443
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:42,160
difference between the two? Are they

3444
02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:44,560
representing the same phrasing?

3445
02:30:44,560 --> 02:30:46,160
>> We kind of weren't sure why that was in

3446
02:30:46,160 --> 02:30:48,399
there because everything needs a permit.

3447
02:30:48,399 --> 02:30:50,240
Um, we did leave it in there. I will

3448
02:30:50,240 --> 02:30:52,240
tell you that the planning commission is

3449
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:54,000
discussing

3450
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:56,880
not requiring a permit for a minor home

3451
02:30:56,880 --> 02:31:00,240
occupation which is what is

3452
02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:03,120
um comparable to two. And while it isn't

3453
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:06,080
sort of established practice to do that,

3454
02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:09,359
it is the more sort of modern new pro

3455
02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:12,800
approach to allow these home occupations

3456
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:14,640
you can't even tell are happening to

3457
02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:16,080
happen without a permit. And so that's

3458
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:18,080
why that is. So I think that it's worth

3459
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:20,240
a discussion here. might make sense

3460
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:22,080
since this is the shorter term fix to

3461
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:25,680
just add an I that says a zoning permit

3462
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:28,640
is obtained to two and put a pin in that

3463
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:30,319
discussion for when you get the bigger

3464
02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:31,920
>> I would I think that's what Lor's

3465
02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:33,359
getting I would concur with that too

3466
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:36,240
just for continuity uh as well and then

3467
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:38,479
addressing when when they do the full

3468
02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:41,280
table uh review. Thank you.

3469
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:43,760
>> I have three more things.

3470
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:45,200
>> Can I just say one more thing to this

3471
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:47,920
one? Right. So the zoning permit and the

3472
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:49,520
home occupation permit are two

3473
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:51,920
completely different things. So I think

3474
02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:54,080
making sure that that's defined and

3475
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:55,680
understood

3476
02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:57,680
before moving forward with that verbage

3477
02:31:57,680 --> 02:31:59,280
is really really important because you

3478
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:01,200
don't want to get caught out there with

3479
02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:02,880
a person having a zone impairment when

3480
02:32:02,880 --> 02:32:03,760
they're supposed to have a home

3481
02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:05,840
occupation because they are two

3482
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:10,870
different things.

3483
02:32:10,880 --> 02:32:12,560
» What's what's the difference then? I

3484
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:13,680
mean, I get it, but like what would be

3485
02:32:13,680 --> 02:32:15,040
the difference in the language? Why we

3486
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:17,120
would put one the word zoning versus

3487
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:19,200
home occupation in a home occupation

3488
02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:20,960
ordinance?

3489
02:32:20,960 --> 02:32:24,560
>> So, again, we were we we did this in one

3490
02:32:24,560 --> 02:32:26,800
sitting and the planning commission if

3491
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:29,920
that that's helpful for perspective. Um,

3492
02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:34,319
and so it typically a home occupation is

3493
02:32:34,319 --> 02:32:36,880
going to want a use permit, which is

3494
02:32:36,880 --> 02:32:38,880
still a zoning type of zoning permit,

3495
02:32:38,880 --> 02:32:41,680
but it's not the same as the larger

3496
02:32:41,680 --> 02:32:42,720
permit.

3497
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:45,600
>> So, I think it might want to just say a

3498
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:48,399
permit is obtained so that the

3499
02:32:48,399 --> 02:32:50,960
administration of what the permits look

3500
02:32:50,960 --> 02:32:54,800
like has some flexibility to make things

3501
02:32:54,800 --> 02:32:58,319
more simple. um

3502
02:32:58,319 --> 02:33:02,469
as needed.

3503
02:33:02,479 --> 02:33:05,760
» What's the difference between uh 2 E and

3504
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:07,359
2G?

3505
02:33:07,359 --> 02:33:11,590
>> 2 and 2 G.

3506
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:13,280
» So

3507
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:17,040
2 E is that you can't sell anything,

3508
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:21,200
right? And to F is that you can't

3509
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:22,640
display anything.

3510
02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:23,760
>> Uh G

3511
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:31,910
>> or sorry G. Okay. Oh,

3512
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:33,840
I guess there's really not a difference.

3513
02:33:33,840 --> 02:33:35,520
>> Well, if you if you have a hair care

3514
02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:37,680
place, you can't sell radios out of it.

3515
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:39,920
So, it's like no commodity, no if you if

3516
02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:41,920
you're doing hair in your home, you

3517
02:33:41,920 --> 02:33:44,160
can't also sell remote controls. You

3518
02:33:44,160 --> 02:33:45,840
know what I mean? So when they're saying

3519
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:48,160
no um article or commodity is offered on

3520
02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:50,479
sale on the premises, if you have a a

3521
02:33:50,479 --> 02:33:51,680
business, a home business that's

3522
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:53,760
specifically for a specific thing, you

3523
02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:55,760
can't also sell other things out of your

3524
02:33:55,760 --> 02:33:56,080
home.

3525
02:33:56,080 --> 02:33:58,080
>> Wouldn't that be covered under G though?

3526
02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:01,680
>> Well, not necessarily because you still

3527
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:04,160
you you still have to say you can't sell

3528
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:05,920
other things except the service that

3529
02:34:05,920 --> 02:34:08,000
you're supposed to give. And then when

3530
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:11,439
you get to G, that's like you can't have

3531
02:34:11,439 --> 02:34:13,359
a shop set up where you just in there

3532
02:34:13,359 --> 02:34:15,600
just selling goods instead of having an

3533
02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:17,520
actual service. So it's kind of the

3534
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:19,920
same, but then again, specificity.

3535
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:21,760
Somebody could take one thing and put it

3536
02:34:21,760 --> 02:34:23,359
under something different.

3537
02:34:23,359 --> 02:34:24,640
>> So it covers all bases.

3538
02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:28,800
>> So this says no article or commodity,

3539
02:34:28,800 --> 02:34:29,280
>> right?

3540
02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:31,359
>> Which does bring me to my second

3541
02:34:31,359 --> 02:34:33,040
question.

3542
02:34:33,040 --> 02:34:35,439
Um,

3543
02:34:35,439 --> 02:34:38,240
do we have a cottage industry law that

3544
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:41,920
would allow somebody to sell their baked

3545
02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:46,042
bread, their I mean we're we're

3546
02:34:46,042 --> 02:34:46,960
[laughter]

3547
02:34:46,960 --> 02:34:48,399
those are the kinds of things

3548
02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:51,120
>> needle work in my wife's case

3549
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:54,880
>> different things. Um, so trying to

3550
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:57,359
conflate the two, a home occupation that

3551
02:34:57,359 --> 02:34:58,960
should require a permit and business

3552
02:34:58,960 --> 02:35:01,200
license and all this other stuff and a

3553
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:04,560
cottage industry

3554
02:35:04,560 --> 02:35:09,600
is is a little bit um confusing. So I I

3555
02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:11,600
would very be I would be interested to

3556
02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:14,000
see the modern code that you're talking

3557
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:17,280
about because I couldn't find any.

3558
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:19,280
So

3559
02:35:19,280 --> 02:35:22,640
you're you're talking about what my

3560
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:24,479
reasoning for advising the planning

3561
02:35:24,479 --> 02:35:27,359
commission on the permitting is is it's

3562
02:35:27,359 --> 02:35:29,840
not based on current a current a

3563
02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:32,319
specific current code. It's based on

3564
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:34,319
discussions in the planning practice

3565
02:35:34,319 --> 02:35:36,720
about making home occupations more

3566
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:39,840
accessible and best practices for that.

3567
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:40,240
So,

3568
02:35:40,240 --> 02:35:42,240
>> I would just be interested to to read

3569
02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:44,399
about it to educate myself if you have

3570
02:35:44,399 --> 02:35:48,080
something on that from somewhere. Um,

3571
02:35:48,080 --> 02:35:50,000
because

3572
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:53,280
to me, we should be permanent in these

3573
02:35:53,280 --> 02:35:55,439
home occupations. Um, which brings me to

3574
02:35:55,439 --> 02:35:58,960
my third point. Um, permits do a couple

3575
02:35:58,960 --> 02:36:02,080
things. They they make sure that you

3576
02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:04,160
know what's going into the neighborhoods

3577
02:36:04,160 --> 02:36:06,880
where home occupations are allowed.

3578
02:36:06,880 --> 02:36:09,600
um they make sure that those uses are

3579
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:11,920
compatible. When you have those things

3580
02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:15,439
not permitted, you don't know. Um I know

3581
02:36:15,439 --> 02:36:16,880
you had somebody visit the planning

3582
02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:20,560
commission that wants to do bun repair.

3583
02:36:20,560 --> 02:36:22,080
>> Um

3584
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:24,399
and then we have this definition for an

3585
02:36:24,399 --> 02:36:27,680
adult bookstore in our code that we need

3586
02:36:27,680 --> 02:36:30,160
to approve as well.

3587
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:31,680
Um,

3588
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:34,800
I think that having

3589
02:36:34,800 --> 02:36:38,880
controlled items and substances

3590
02:36:38,880 --> 02:36:42,790
be

3591
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:44,640
serviced in commercial zones rather than

3592
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:46,720
residential zones is something that I'm

3593
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:49,200
for and I did bring that up when you

3594
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:54,399
first brought this to us. Um,

3595
02:36:54,399 --> 02:36:56,560
I I don't know. I'll just I'll just say

3596
02:36:56,560 --> 02:37:00,240
I don't know that I can approve this

3597
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:05,200
based on no permitting or no regulations

3598
02:37:05,200 --> 02:37:07,840
related to controlled items and

3599
02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:11,120
substances. So,

3600
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:12,640
um

3601
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:14,160
but I would like to know why because

3602
02:37:14,160 --> 02:37:15,600
people are going to ask me and if you

3603
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:18,560
get somebody

3604
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:21,760
um that is unhappy with the home

3605
02:37:21,760 --> 02:37:24,240
occupation that they're forced to live

3606
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:26,319
by Mhm.

3607
02:37:26,319 --> 02:37:27,680
>> I want to be able to answer that

3608
02:37:27,680 --> 02:37:30,160
question.

3609
02:37:30,160 --> 02:37:30,960
>> So,

3610
02:37:30,960 --> 02:37:33,040
>> can I just add real quickly though? So,

3611
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:35,680
like the adult bookstore,

3612
02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:37,280
it's already existing in the current

3613
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:41,280
code as written. Um, the real push here

3614
02:37:41,280 --> 02:37:45,600
was I guess you a handful of years ago,

3615
02:37:45,600 --> 02:37:49,760
it removed the RV1,

3616
02:37:49,760 --> 02:37:52,479
RMD, all the people who could have true

3617
02:37:52,479 --> 02:37:54,160
traditional to include cottage, right?

3618
02:37:54,160 --> 02:37:56,399
cottage still requires permits with home

3619
02:37:56,399 --> 02:37:58,240
occupation. Usually the county actually

3620
02:37:58,240 --> 02:37:59,840
doesn't require it but the town the town

3621
02:37:59,840 --> 02:38:02,800
does. Uh so it there was this change

3622
02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:04,720
where it removed it and the quick fix

3623
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:08,720
was why would we not why not just unreal

3624
02:38:08,720 --> 02:38:10,319
and nobody can Sarah correct me if I'm

3625
02:38:10,319 --> 02:38:13,680
wrong nobody can nobody can explain

3626
02:38:13,680 --> 02:38:17,439
why the code was adjusted to remove the

3627
02:38:17,439 --> 02:38:20,319
areas where true home occupation would

3628
02:38:20,319 --> 02:38:22,720
be. So, we had all this code and then

3629
02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:25,120
somebody where you see in section two

3630
02:38:25,120 --> 02:38:27,120
where it says conditional use in RV1

3631
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:31,520
that was eliminated and went um it was

3632
02:38:31,520 --> 02:38:34,240
converted to NP versus conditional and

3633
02:38:34,240 --> 02:38:36,800
the conditional drives that you have to

3634
02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:39,680
have a permit uh to do that. So, for

3635
02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:40,960
example, because I know you had brought

3636
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:43,280
up like uh like marijuana like sales or

3637
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:44,560
something like that, somebody would

3638
02:38:44,560 --> 02:38:47,600
still have to come here and request a

3639
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:51,040
permit and if it doesn't live in the

3640
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:53,520
zoning uh rules that we have, they

3641
02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:54,960
wouldn't get permitted for it. Now, if

3642
02:38:54,960 --> 02:38:58,000
they go and sell on their own, then then

3643
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:00,080
they have a business that doesn't comply

3644
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:02,319
with with the town code, but but that's

3645
02:39:02,319 --> 02:39:05,680
a whole different discussion uh on on

3646
02:39:05,680 --> 02:39:09,520
enforcement. Um, but this here is really

3647
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:12,479
just actually enabling the community to

3648
02:39:12,479 --> 02:39:14,000
have those home businesses and those

3649
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:16,160
cottage laws. Uh, and then there was

3650
02:39:16,160 --> 02:39:17,760
even Dan had even brought up a

3651
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:19,120
discussion. You know, there's a

3652
02:39:19,120 --> 02:39:21,680
gentleman, John, right next to you sells

3653
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:24,479
uh his shoes, his Nike shoes and Pokemon

3654
02:39:24,479 --> 02:39:26,720
cards and basketball cards all the time.

3655
02:39:26,720 --> 02:39:28,240
You know, what about that? It's like a

3656
02:39:28,240 --> 02:39:30,880
popup that he does as he see fits. He

3657
02:39:30,880 --> 02:39:33,200
puts a table out, puts some cards out

3658
02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:36,319
there, people will will stop by. uh that

3659
02:39:36,319 --> 02:39:38,319
actually conflicts with the home

3660
02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:40,080
occupation, but that's not a home

3661
02:39:40,080 --> 02:39:41,439
occupation. That's kind of like a

3662
02:39:41,439 --> 02:39:43,040
temporary when you do when your son does

3663
02:39:43,040 --> 02:39:44,640
paw paws, you know.

3664
02:39:44,640 --> 02:39:46,160
>> Yeah. So, there's there's I I think

3665
02:39:46,160 --> 02:39:47,680
there's other aspects of this that would

3666
02:39:47,680 --> 02:39:49,439
be addressed through that we were

3667
02:39:49,439 --> 02:39:51,439
working with Sarah on addressing through

3668
02:39:51,439 --> 02:39:53,920
uh the the land use table and some other

3669
02:39:53,920 --> 02:39:56,160
codes in there, but this specific

3670
02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:59,280
ordinance is just to add back in the the

3671
02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:02,240
zoning areas that were removed. I don't

3672
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:04,240
know. They just magically disappeared a

3673
02:40:04,240 --> 02:40:06,240
couple years ago.

3674
02:40:06,240 --> 02:40:07,040
>> I don't know how.

3675
02:40:07,040 --> 02:40:07,760
>> So, how would

3676
02:40:07,760 --> 02:40:09,600
>> And I don't know how either. But this

3677
02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:11,280
isn't addressing any of those things

3678
02:40:11,280 --> 02:40:13,040
that you just said. [laughter]

3679
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:14,960
>> No, it does. It adds it in section two.

3680
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:18,800
It puts it puts it back in,

3681
02:40:18,800 --> 02:40:20,960
>> right? But it removed I remember it was

3682
02:40:20,960 --> 02:40:24,160
removed an item 10 that had uh and I

3683
02:40:24,160 --> 02:40:26,720
don't have item 10 in front of me.

3684
02:40:26,720 --> 02:40:28,240
>> Um Oh my.

3685
02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:30,479
>> And the the situation has come up. I

3686
02:40:30,479 --> 02:40:34,000
mean you we Chesby Village can't even

3687
02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:36,800
ride a bike to town now because of

3688
02:40:36,800 --> 02:40:38,960
>> what's item 10 that you're trying to

3689
02:40:38,960 --> 02:40:40,720
>> Well, what I'm saying is we are

3690
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:44,960
addressing this code now, right? Um we

3691
02:40:44,960 --> 02:40:47,760
were very picky about some other code

3692
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:50,160
that really had no impact. But this code

3693
02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:53,920
does have an impact. It is going to put

3694
02:40:53,920 --> 02:40:56,399
certain occupations in residential areas

3695
02:40:56,399 --> 02:40:58,880
where residential use and the people who

3696
02:40:58,880 --> 02:41:02,560
move there for residential use rely on

3697
02:41:02,560 --> 02:41:09,110
that zoning. And so um

3698
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:10,000
for me

3699
02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:11,920
>> like what though like can give me give

3700
02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:12,479
me

3701
02:41:12,479 --> 02:41:14,880
>> I would say that that a a person who

3702
02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:18,399
repairs firearms right

3703
02:41:18,399 --> 02:41:20,640
there are a lot of reasons to repair

3704
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:23,200
firearms firearms and of themselves are

3705
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:29,120
not a bad thing. Um I would prefer that particular type of business though

3706
02:41:29,120 --> 02:41:31,840
is in a commercial zone. I might be a

3707
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:34,560
person that lives next to that business

3708
02:41:34,560 --> 02:41:36,960
that

3709
02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:41,280
um doesn't feel comfortable around guns.

3710
02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:44,399
Additionally, you might be there's all

3711
02:41:44,399 --> 02:41:47,359
kinds of people who are

3712
02:41:47,359 --> 02:41:49,840
associated with guns.

3713
02:41:49,840 --> 02:41:52,319
That person that is repairing the guns

3714
02:41:52,319 --> 02:41:54,640
might not have control over who is

3715
02:41:54,640 --> 02:41:56,160
coming to his business in the

3716
02:41:56,160 --> 02:41:58,880
residential area to get their firearm

3717
02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:04,710
repaired. I think that

3718
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:07,120
removing

3719
02:42:07,120 --> 02:42:10,399
the ability to have controlled items and

3720
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:13,439
substances sold in residential a

3721
02:42:13,439 --> 02:42:15,600
neighborhoods or or be associated with a

3722
02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:18,560
business in a residential neighborhood

3723
02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:22,080
would eliminate most of my concerns

3724
02:42:22,080 --> 02:42:24,080
with this

3725
02:42:24,080 --> 02:42:27,040
in addition to requiring a permit for a

3726
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:29,040
home occupation.

3727
02:42:29,040 --> 02:42:30,000
Um,

3728
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:32,479
>> well, this policy does require a permit.

3729
02:42:32,479 --> 02:42:35,200
We can put the language in there

3730
02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:38,160
basis for denying

3731
02:42:38,160 --> 02:42:39,439
certain things.

3732
02:42:39,439 --> 02:42:40,880
>> Well, if it's not allowed in the code if

3733
02:42:40,880 --> 02:42:42,000
it's not allowed in the town code, then

3734
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:43,600
you wouldn't be allowed to have a there

3735
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:45,600
is or do we need to adjust? But you

3736
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:47,200
can't you can't have pharmaceuticals in

3737
02:42:47,200 --> 02:42:48,560
your like I can't just start making

3738
02:42:48,560 --> 02:42:50,160
aspirin in my house and sell it like

3739
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:51,920
that. like it's got to follow state code

3740
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:54,000
for like pharmaceuticals and like the

3741
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:56,880
mar like Maryland's uh like like for

3742
02:42:56,880 --> 02:42:59,359
marijuana dispensaries is a very very

3743
02:42:59,359 --> 02:43:01,200
strict code. So it's not like you could

3744
02:43:01,200 --> 02:43:03,600
just stand up a dispensary in your home

3745
02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:04,960
or anything. The gun one is an

3746
02:43:04,960 --> 02:43:06,000
interesting one. I I don't know the

3747
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:07,520
answer to that. But like the medical

3748
02:43:07,520 --> 02:43:08,640
stuff, marijuana,

3749
02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:10,319
>> but we need to know the answer to that.

3750
02:43:10,319 --> 02:43:12,319
Well, that but that that

3751
02:43:12,319 --> 02:43:15,040
>> the problem is is that if there's a list

3752
02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:17,359
somewhere that's already been made with

3753
02:43:17,359 --> 02:43:19,600
things that are not allowed, then find a

3754
02:43:19,600 --> 02:43:22,080
list. If the list is not there, then

3755
02:43:22,080 --> 02:43:24,080
make the list instead of going back and

3756
02:43:24,080 --> 02:43:26,960
forth over conjecture with our opinions.

3757
02:43:26,960 --> 02:43:29,359
Exactly. So, that's the thing. So, if we

3758
02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:31,120
don't already have a list, then let's

3759
02:43:31,120 --> 02:43:33,200
stop talking about it and make a list.

3760
02:43:33,200 --> 02:43:34,479
>> But doesn't the land use table

3761
02:43:34,479 --> 02:43:35,840
>> because we're wasting the time right

3762
02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:38,319
now. We have something in front of us

3763
02:43:38,319 --> 02:43:40,720
that opens us up to get something done

3764
02:43:40,720 --> 02:43:42,800
that was taken away without any purpose.

3765
02:43:42,800 --> 02:43:44,960
Now we want to move on to say, "Okay,

3766
02:43:44,960 --> 02:43:47,040
well, we got this straight. Let's make a

3767
02:43:47,040 --> 02:43:48,640
list of the things that we don't want in

3768
02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:50,479
the neighborhoods because we deem them

3769
02:43:50,479 --> 02:43:52,720
unsafe." Then make that list and let's

3770
02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:54,399
vote on that because right now this is

3771
02:43:54,399 --> 02:43:55,840
just the conversation.

3772
02:43:55,840 --> 02:43:58,640
>> It does say needs to be harmonious with

3773
02:43:58,640 --> 02:44:01,920
the character, but that's open to

3774
02:44:01,920 --> 02:44:03,840
>> I might go to the guy that that fixed

3775
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:04,399
guns,

3776
02:44:04,399 --> 02:44:06,240
>> I think. So what's the character?

3777
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:07,439
>> I think we just need to be

3778
02:44:07,439 --> 02:44:09,840
>> it's subjective and specific.

3779
02:44:09,840 --> 02:44:11,520
>> If we deal with subjectivity and

3780
02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:13,359
opinion, then what are we going to

3781
02:44:13,359 --> 02:44:15,200
actually get to? Because we all can feel

3782
02:44:15,200 --> 02:44:16,640
a certain way about something.

3783
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:18,640
>> They tried to accomplish it with two H,

3784
02:44:18,640 --> 02:44:20,479
but it just needs to be more specific.

3785
02:44:20,479 --> 02:44:22,880
Well, I would say that there is a list

3786
02:44:22,880 --> 02:44:27,600
of controlled items and if we said

3787
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:29,840
controlled items

3788
02:44:29,840 --> 02:44:32,800
that would

3789
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:35,439
account for most of PE most people's

3790
02:44:35,439 --> 02:44:36,000
concerns,

3791
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:37,600
>> we just need to listen. If there's a

3792
02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:39,520
list already in place from the smarter

3793
02:44:39,520 --> 02:44:41,520
people that was here before us, then

3794
02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:43,760
let's go to that list. If that list does

3795
02:44:43,760 --> 02:44:45,840
not exist, then let's go ahead and move

3796
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:47,600
forward and then we can get that list in

3797
02:44:47,600 --> 02:44:49,359
front of us and we can vote on that when

3798
02:44:49,359 --> 02:44:50,399
we're ready.

3799
02:44:50,399 --> 02:44:53,040
>> There's code on e-code library that

3800
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:55,439
looks great to me

3801
02:44:55,439 --> 02:44:56,800
and it's

3802
02:44:56,800 --> 02:44:58,720
>> but is the code on chess. You have an

3803
02:44:58,720 --> 02:45:01,680
alternate proposal that is our code.

3804
02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:06,720
>> I just wonder why why we are being

3805
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:12,560
so creative. You don't need to be and I'm always going to defer to

3806
02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:14,240
protecting

3807
02:45:14,240 --> 02:45:18,000
residential use in a residential area.

3808
02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:19,359
>> Are you about to say something, Eric?

3809
02:45:19,359 --> 02:45:23,840
>> I Yeah, I guess I'm um

3810
02:45:23,840 --> 02:45:27,439
so my question is same back to number

3811
02:45:27,439 --> 02:45:33,120
two, right? Um, and going back to uh,

3812
02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:36,800
Councilman Evans comments about um, E

3813
02:45:36,800 --> 02:45:38,080
and G.

3814
02:45:38,080 --> 02:45:39,040
>> Mhm.

3815
02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:42,560
>> And, um, how they seem to be the same?

3816
02:45:42,560 --> 02:45:44,560
They do seem to be the same to me. But

3817
02:45:44,560 --> 02:45:49,429
my question really is

3818
02:45:49,439 --> 02:45:54,399
uh so are we saying that only services

3819
02:45:54,399 --> 02:46:00,640
and not the sale of any physical item

3820
02:46:00,640 --> 02:46:03,760
is allowable.

3821
02:46:03,760 --> 02:46:07,520
>> So you can't conduct sales on premises.

3822
02:46:07,520 --> 02:46:10,160
And this may be those two may just be

3823
02:46:10,160 --> 02:46:12,319
sometimes when we do stuff at the

3824
02:46:12,319 --> 02:46:14,399
planning commission we'll add stuff in

3825
02:46:14,399 --> 02:46:16,479
and then the next time we'll realize

3826
02:46:16,479 --> 02:46:19,600
they match up. Um but we like we did

3827
02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:21,920
this pretty quickly. Um so we could

3828
02:46:21,920 --> 02:46:23,520
probably remove one of those but you can

3829
02:46:23,520 --> 02:46:26,960
still sell items just not on premises.

3830
02:46:26,960 --> 02:46:28,560
So only via the mail.

3831
02:46:28,560 --> 02:46:32,640
>> Okay. So just a really simple question.

3832
02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:34,800
Is this

3833
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:36,720
require a permit to have a lemonade

3834
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:39,345
stand?

3835
02:46:39,345 --> 02:46:39,680
[laughter]

3836
02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:41,760
>> A lemonade stand is not a home

3837
02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:44,399
occupation. Um, it's a temporary use.

3838
02:46:44,399 --> 02:46:46,800
It's not permitted or not permitted in

3839
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:49,200
your code.

3840
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:52,319
Um, a lemonade stand is technically the

3841
02:46:52,319 --> 02:46:54,560
sale of food and beverages, which the

3842
02:46:54,560 --> 02:46:57,040
county regulates. Um, so it's a little

3843
02:46:57,040 --> 02:46:59,279
more of a complicated question. Uh, and

3844
02:46:59,279 --> 02:47:02,240
I don't think that a zoning permit would

3845
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:04,960
be required. There's no zoning authority

3846
02:47:04,960 --> 02:47:05,920
over lemonade. So,

3847
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:07,040
>> don't call the county on my

3848
02:47:07,040 --> 02:47:09,680
>> No, that this expl this ex exact

3849
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:12,800
question was emailed to Sarah and the

3850
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:14,399
attorney and [clears throat] that is

3851
02:47:14,399 --> 02:47:16,479
where we would add in something in

3852
02:47:16,479 --> 02:47:17,840
because what we do not want to do I

3853
02:47:17,840 --> 02:47:18,880
don't think I don't think anybody in

3854
02:47:18,880 --> 02:47:21,600
here wants to be on the news as the town

3855
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:23,520
who shuts down a nine-year-old kid's

3856
02:47:23,520 --> 02:47:25,600
lemonade stand like it happened a

3857
02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:29,120
handful of years ago. Uh, and so there

3858
02:47:29,120 --> 02:47:30,960
was discussions about adding some

3859
02:47:30,960 --> 02:47:33,520
language into the zoning ordinance that

3860
02:47:33,520 --> 02:47:35,040
addresses that. And that's why I brought

3861
02:47:35,040 --> 02:47:36,720
up the example of the gentleman next to

3862
02:47:36,720 --> 02:47:39,439
John who sells Pokemon cards,

3863
02:47:39,439 --> 02:47:42,319
>> right? And so it, you know, we can't

3864
02:47:42,319 --> 02:47:44,720
just say, oh, except for lemonade stand.

3865
02:47:44,720 --> 02:47:46,811
It has to be a broader

3866
02:47:46,811 --> 02:47:47,040
>> [snorts]

3867
02:47:47,040 --> 02:47:49,840
>> uh clause so that because there are

3868
02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:51,680
other absurdities that you can come up

3869
02:47:51,680 --> 02:47:53,040
with, I'm sure.

3870
02:47:53,040 --> 02:47:55,040
>> Well, and the planning commission is

3871
02:47:55,040 --> 02:47:57,120
working on that language. We worked on

3872
02:47:57,120 --> 02:47:59,040
it a bit. I'm working on it to present

3873
02:47:59,040 --> 02:48:02,960
to them again um for April's meeting.

3874
02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:05,120
So, they do want to make sure people

3875
02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:07,520
kids can sell lemonade or Pokemon cards

3876
02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:09,040
or whatever.

3877
02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:11,279
>> And I just want to comment that I I

3878
02:48:11,279 --> 02:48:15,520
concur with uh um Councilman Green's um

3879
02:48:15,520 --> 02:48:18,560
opposition to a a broad controlled

3880
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:21,920
substance clause. I it I'd like to see a

3881
02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:25,120
specific list um because and it's the

3882
02:48:25,120 --> 02:48:27,439
same thing. I can go to the to the uh to

3883
02:48:27,439 --> 02:48:29,600
the situation that we talked about the

3884
02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:31,200
last time at the meeting or whatever it

3885
02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:34,000
was. I I brought up the idea of someone

3886
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:37,760
who does some uh small batch micro

3887
02:48:37,760 --> 02:48:42,560
brewery and sells it to you know a local

3888
02:48:42,560 --> 02:48:44,080
establishment

3889
02:48:44,080 --> 02:48:45,760
um

3890
02:48:45,760 --> 02:48:47,760
through and they can sell it there to

3891
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:49,279
individuals.

3892
02:48:49,279 --> 02:48:51,200
um something like that I don't think

3893
02:48:51,200 --> 02:48:55,600
should be um banned with some type of

3894
02:48:55,600 --> 02:48:59,520
broad controlled substance uh clause

3895
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:01,359
>> you have a micro brewery standing in

3896
02:49:01,359 --> 02:49:02,479
front of the house right next to the

3897
02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:05,439
lemonade

3898
02:49:05,439 --> 02:49:08,160
>> let's progress a big part

3899
02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:11,590
>> another county

3900
02:49:11,600 --> 02:49:14,319
» all right all right I think that we I

3901
02:49:14,319 --> 02:49:15,600
think we talked this out pretty

3902
02:49:15,600 --> 02:49:17,600
thoroughly I mean is does anybody else

3903
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:19,600
have any final comments before we

3904
02:49:19,600 --> 02:49:21,920
adjourn. Thank you. I don't hear any.

3905
02:49:21,920 --> 02:49:24,080
Uh, all right. This your last chance,

3906
02:49:24,080 --> 02:49:26,399
Laura. Your last chance. Okay,

3907
02:49:26,399 --> 02:49:30,240
everybody. Good. All right. Is there a

3908
02:49:30,240 --> 02:49:32,160
Let's see. We're not going to do item

3909
02:49:32,160 --> 02:49:34,240
six because Dan's not here.

3910
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:34,880
>> Not here.

3911
02:49:34,880 --> 02:49:37,359
>> So, uh, the next item on the agenda is a

3912
02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:39,120
motion for adjournment.

3913
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:41,279
>> What took you so long? All in favor say

3914
02:49:41,279 --> 02:49:43,120
I. I. I.

3915
02:49:43,120 --> 02:49:45,439
>> Thank you very much. Very good meeting.

3916
02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:48,720
Uh, I appreciate everybody's input.

3917
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:50,720
We covered a lot of territory and we got

3918
02:49:50,720 --> 02:49:54,840
a lot done. Thank you.