[0:02] Good evening and welcome to the regular council meeting for Kobalt August 18 [0:08] 2026 and I'd like to call this to order now. [0:13] Is there any disclosure of pecuniary interest [0:18] you public meetings? No deputations. [0:25] Daniel Gerard from Kemp Elliot and Blair is here with the presentation of the [0:29] 2025 financial statements and she's going to come up and [0:36] uh give them to us now and right now they are in draft form. Once [0:43] everything's signed, sealed and delivered and everything then the final [0:48] copy will be available to the public. So yes sir. Um, can I make a quick [0:54] suggestion? >> Uh, could we maybe bump Dan Garoo first [0:57] since his presentation will not be anywhere as long as this this one? [1:01] » I'm okay. >> You're okay? Yeah. [1:02] » Are you here? >> Yeah. [1:04] » Okay. Sure, Dan. Thanks. >> Okay. It's all yours. [1:10] » Okay. So, you should all have a package um in your handouts that have uh the [1:14] important pages of the financial statements. So, we've broken this down [1:17] to kind of the nuts and bolts that we think is uh useful to council. So the [1:21] first page in your package is actually labeled page 22 and it is a note to your [1:26] financial statement. So basically this is your statement of operation which [1:30] shows revenues and expenses but we've converted here to the way that you [1:33] budget. So for those of you who heard hear me every year explain this. You are [1:38] required to budget in a different way than you are required to present your [1:41] financial statements. So there's accountants way smarter than me that [1:44] decided that accounting rules don't follow how you budget. So we we we do is [1:48] we convert your financial statements to the way that you budget so that when we [1:52] review it together, you're comparing apples to apples and it makes a little [1:55] bit more sense. The [clears throat] excuse me, the major things that are [1:59] different are capital expenditures. So when you budget a capital expense, it is [2:03] an expense to you in your financial statements. They capitalize it and [2:06] depreciate it. Long-term debt is the same. So the repayment of long-term debt [2:10] is an expense to you in your budget. But the way that your financial statements [2:14] are reported, the principal payments go through your balance sheet and only the [2:17] interest expense um is on your statement of operations. So those are your two [2:21] biggest differences. [snorts] So we will review that. If you have questions, do [2:25] stop me along the way. Middle column is the 2025 actual. You've got your budget [2:29] on the left and 2024 on the right. So under operating revenues, we have [2:33] municipal taxation of 877,000. Your tax rate went up 7%. Your [2:39] assessment stayed the same, which created an extra taxation revenue of 7%. [2:44] Water and sewer user fees, 611,476. Your residential water rate went up 10%, [2:50] the commercial rate went up 7%, and your sewer rate remained unchanged. [2:55] Policing fees went up 10% to 417,173. User charges, everything else that you [3:02] charge your rateayers for, went up from 194 to 203. The major increase there was [3:08] the colarium sales. So you sold a lot. I think it was brand new in 2024 you guys [3:12] built it and now you sold I think they're called I don't know they're [3:15] called pots or drawers or anyways you sold a bunch of them. [3:20] » There you go. So yes, you sold a bunch of them and that was the increase this [3:23] year. Provincial grants. These are operating [3:26] provincial grants. A million81898. The largest amount in there for 915,900 [3:32] is your Ontario municipal partnership fund. This is your unconditional grant [3:35] from the province and it went up about 2%. [3:39] Fire protection grant in there as well too. You had an intern grant. You did [3:44] use some Nords and OCIF funding towards operating um expenses or things that [3:48] were deemed operating. So there's also those amounts in there as well. Federal [3:53] grants 113,000. Uh most of that is gas tax that was used on repairs towards the [3:59] water system. Uh revenue from other municipalities [4:03] 32,000. Uh the water from Coleman increased because they helped to fund [4:09] some of the major repairs that had to be done. [4:13] Investment income 8,691. Interest rates are down. You had less um [4:19] money in the bank. So you had less interest income this year. Penalties and [4:23] interest on taxes 50,536. We'll see in a minute that your taxes receivable [4:28] balance is a little bit higher at the end of the year, but obviously the [4:30] interest is based on timing of payments. So if people are paying quicker, you [4:34] make a little bit less interest. If they're taking longer, the interest goes [4:36] up. Land sales, you did have one property [4:39] that sold for 14,000. And then proceeds from sale of tangible capital assets, [4:44] 23,000. You did sell the recycling bins, the old street sweeper, and an old 2010 [4:50] Ford F-150. other income 163,64 [4:55] 37,000 of that was rebates from WSIB >> ask a quick question can you point out [5:02] just to because we have an audience here that this is for numbers of December [5:07] 31st 2025 this is up to and including that correct [5:10] » correct the 2025 financial >> this is not like eight months has passed [5:14] since then correct okay thank you >> total operating revenues just under 3.6 [5:19] 6 million capital revenues. Uh the only thing we have was 10,300 under other. So [5:25] there was a piece of land that was donated to the the town and that becomes [5:29] a revenue to you and an expense when they clear each other out. But the 103 [5:33] was the value of the land that was donated to the wall. [5:37] Total revenues 3.607 million. We have expenditures, operating expenditures, uh [5:42] general government, so everything that has to do with running the municipality [5:45] itself, 697,000. Um there was less wages allocated from [5:52] public works to municipal buildings. So that was the major change there. [5:56] Protection to persons and property 620,000. [5:59] Your policing went up 35,000 and you had the first year of the interest on the [6:04] new fire truck from last year of 26,000. Transportation services was similar to [6:09] last year at 78,000. environmental services. We will see the [6:14] water and sewer system separately on a statement after, but there was a lot of [6:18] fluctuation. Um, your recycling obviously is down, your garbage was [6:22] down, your water expenses were up, and your sewer was down. So, all of that [6:25] translated into a slight decrease overall on that line. [6:30] Health services 168,000. The health unit went up about 2,300. The DAB went up um [6:37] 21,000. And that would be the land ambulance portion of the DAB only on [6:40] that line. Social and family services, 101,000. [6:44] That's the rest of the DISA, which I believe is child services, um, social [6:50] housing, um, general assistance, that kind of stuff. It went up as well by [6:54] 13,600. Recreation and cultural services, [6:59] 177,000. If you remember, back in 2024, there was some demolition costs involved [7:04] for a building downtown that was demolished. So, that decreased your [7:07] expense base by 70,000. uh planning and development 8,133 that's [7:14] basically the fees you paid at TMSA for planning and your MIS fees. Uh last year [7:19] you had done some work on the additional plan so that's why you have less [7:22] expenses this year. So total operating expenses just a little over 3.5 million. [7:27] You had very limited capital expenditures. There was a new sidewalk [7:30] plow and then the land donation for a total of 79,218. [7:35] Long-term debt repayments 99,860 860. You of the fire truck, the wheel [7:40] loader, a 2024, a 2022 Ford, and the public works garage you're repaying. So [7:47] total expenditures just under 3.7 million. So if we take your total [7:51] revenues less your total expenditures, you did have a deficit of 90,000 for the [7:55] year. [8:00] Any questions on that? [8:05] Okay, next page is the statement of financial position. So for those of you [8:10] used to commercial accounting, it is called your balance sheet. So it [8:13] basically says where you are at a point in time. So this one we did not convert. [8:17] It's the actual one that you submit to the min ministry. Um so 2025 on the [8:22] left, 2024 on the right. You had 607,000 of cash in the bank on December 31st. [8:28] Taxes receivable were 309, so a slight increase from last year. Accounts [8:33] receivable 26,210. Um that's just a a timing difference. [8:38] Your third quarter HST was overclaimed and by the time the amount was repaid, [8:43] it was after the end of the year. So your HST receivable was just lower than [8:46] what it was in the past by about $60,000. [8:50] Accounts payable and acred liabilities 325,000. [8:54] Again, timing of when payments are made, whether you make a a check run before [8:58] Christmas or not. Um, in there is always your usual two months of policing, what [9:03] you owe Aqua. Um, sometimes there's school boards, there's our audites, and [9:07] then any other regular small payables that basically are paid after the end of [9:11] the year, but we're late to 2025. Deferred revenue other 437,000. [9:17] So that's funds you've received in the bank that you have not yet spent on an [9:21] appropriate project. So in there is about 390,000 of OCIF funding and 3,000 [9:27] of Nords. So that means they've given you the funds. You have not spent it [9:31] yet. So it's here as a deferred revenue until you budget for it and have an [9:34] expenditure to offset it. Then it hits your income statement at that point in [9:38] time. Deferred revenue obligatory reserve [9:41] funds. That's a fancy uh word for gas tax. Same thing. You've received 80,432 [9:47] of gas tax in your bank account, but you have not yet spent it on a project. Most [9:52] of these funds you are allowed to carry forward and accumulate for future [9:55] projects. So not unreasonable. and it'll become a revenue to you in the year you [9:59] have a budgeted expense for it. Asset retirement obligations. So, this [10:03] was new from a few years ago. If you remember, we had to do an inventory of [10:08] um any assets that require um remediation if you were ever to sell or [10:12] demolish it. So, most of that relates to asbestous and buildings, fuel tanks, and [10:17] some of your sewer system. Um so, an engineer had prepared a report to [10:22] explain what all that was and how much it's going to cost when those [10:24] [clears throat] assets need to be retired. Um it's an estimate like [10:28] anything else. Some of these costs may never um come to futation in the year [10:33] where you have a capital project or you're selling one of these assets. Um [10:37] you will likely budget for that remediation at the time of the project [10:41] as the engineers will make you aware of it at that time but it is an accounting [10:45] exercise that was required. So that number is there. So at no point do you [10:48] need to pay 664,000 tomorrow or anything like that. That'll be strictly done in [10:53] the event that one of those buildings that have asbestous is demolished and [10:56] you're having to clean it up or part of your sewer system needs to be remediated [11:01] or or that kind of thing. So, it's a little bit misleading. [11:05] Municipal debt 1.4 million. So, that's all the debt that you owe at the moment. [11:09] There's a fire truck, a wheel loader, two fork trucks, and the public works [11:13] garage. I think one truck is dropping off this [11:16] year if it's not already all paid in 2026. And then the others have a few [11:20] years left to go. and then some are longer. [11:23] So total liabilities just under 3 million. So if we take your assets less [11:27] your liabilities, you do have a net debt position of 2,27,000. [11:32] It's not uncommon for a town site or a municipality to have a bracket there. Um [11:37] that's how you fund your capital projects and your infrastructure. Uh so [11:41] you will have some debt there that you you do have to carry. That net debt [11:45] position though did decrease by 12,180. So that just means that the amount of [11:50] long-term debt that you're decreasing by is not surpassing your your you're [11:55] surpassing your deficits every year. So that does mean you are in a worse shape [11:59] than you were last year. Um so remember that number for the 2 the [12:05] 2 million 27 because we're going to see that number again in a minute. Um below [12:08] that are non-financial assets. So we've got inventories, prepaid and capital [12:12] assets. These are numbers that are required to be there more of an [12:15] accounting exercise. The tangible capital asset number of almost 15 [12:19] million is the original cost less the depreciation of all of the assets in the [12:23] town. So these buildings, roads, sewer, water, everything included, but it's [12:27] original cost less depreciation, which is not a very useful number to you. If [12:32] you've got an asset management plan, it should be telling you what needs to [12:35] replace, when, how much it's going to cost, and how you plan on paying for it. [12:39] And that's much better document to rely on than this number here, unfortunately. [12:43] So, we'll tell you to ignore all those numbers and just keep an eye on that [12:46] 2,27 as we'll look at it again. Any other question? Any questions on [12:52] that? [12:55] Okay, next page. Page 16. Again, it's a note to your financial statements. We're [12:59] looking at note 13, which is called accumulated surplus. Um, so that 2,27, [13:04] if you go about 3/4 down that note, you should be able to see that in brackets. [13:09] Now, just above it, we are backing out the unfinanced asset retirement [13:12] obligations and the unfinanced municipal debt. And the reason we do that is [13:16] because you're not paying those two things tomorrow. They are going to be [13:19] budgeted for in future budgets. And it's not a cash outlay that's going to happen [13:23] immediately. So, principal, payments, and interest are going to be budgeted [13:27] for in future budgets and the asset retirement obligations will be budgeted [13:30] in a year where remediation is required. So, if we back out those two numbers, [13:34] look at the number just above it. That's 99,126. [13:38] So that's your financial position ignoring those asset retirement [13:41] obligations and that long-term debt. So that's basically the cushion you have to [13:47] operate for the following year. So it's a positive number. So that's exciting, [13:52] but it is a it is a plus. It's 99,000. It's not a big number for the size of [13:56] the accountant. The concern there is that it has dropped based on this the [14:00] deficit for the year from 197 to 99. So if you have another deficit of the same [14:05] size in 2026, you are going to be in a bracket. So that's the important part is [14:11] that that cushion is slowly dwindling down and it's eroding and you're soon [14:16] going to find that there is no cushion. Um as that cushion disappears, cash flow [14:21] becomes tight. The reason your bank account looks healthy is because of [14:24] those deferred revenue grants have come in and you haven't spent them yet. So [14:28] until you spend them, your your bank balance is fairly healthy because of [14:31] that. Um, but if you start spending some of the money on the the grant money on [14:35] on expenditures and and capital, you're going to slowly realize that as this [14:39] cushion starts to dwindle, things are going to get a little bit tight. [14:44] So, that 99 has different allocations. Some of it is at your discretion, some [14:48] of it is not. Uh, we still do have a library reserve of 18,000, something to [14:53] discuss at the library board, but I'm not sure a reserve is necessarily ne [14:57] necessary anymore. um you'll see in a minute there's also a library deficit. [15:02] Um my suggestion would be to squeeze the two together and just have one surplus [15:06] or deficit that you're carrying. If there's not an actual reason to have [15:10] this reserve, it's probably causing more confusion than nothing. Um but now that [15:14] you're carrying a library deficit, I would likely eliminate the reserve and [15:18] close it out to that so that the library is not running with one number. A [15:23] reserve is not additional cash. It's not a secret bank account. It's an [15:27] allocation of your surplus. So it's just means that whatever surplus you have, [15:31] it's being allocated between different pots, but it's made up of accounts [15:35] receivable, accounts payable. Um, so it's not just an extra bank account. So [15:39] the library does not have an extra $18,000 hiding somewhere. It just means [15:43] their financial position is the 18 less the little deficit of,9 and that's what [15:48] their cushion is for the following year. Okay, does that make sense to everyone? [15:54] that reserve has been remained untouched for as long as I've been here, which is [15:57] about 17 years. So that's why at this point I would say let's just have one [16:02] number and that just makes things a little less confusing for everybody [16:04] involved. But they're not losing anything. We're just squeezing them [16:07] together. Okay. General municipal deficit 440,000. So again, a little bit [16:13] worse off than last year. So um that change in in your overall position is [16:18] impacting your general municipal deficit. That library deficit I was just [16:22] talking about. So they had a surplus, now they have a little deficit, but if [16:25] you combine the 18 and the thousand, they're still in in the green. So that's [16:29] not a problem there. Cemetery surplus about 49,000. [16:34] The sewer surplus, um, it's doing fairly well at 561,000 and we will look at a [16:39] statement for it in a minute. The waterwork system is another story and [16:43] it's dwindled down whatever surplus it had and now has a deficit as well. So, [16:48] the water system obviously is going to create an issue as costs keep rising. [16:52] Um, and it seems like an imbalance between your sewer system and your water [16:56] system at this point. So, all of those things together make up your actual [17:01] position of 99,126. [17:05] Does that make sense to everyone? Yep. [17:10] Silence is sometimes confusion as well. [laughter] [17:14] Okay. Any questions on that? [cough] Next page, page 23. So the waterwork [17:20] system. So sale of water to cobalt residents 451,000. [17:25] There was a 10% increase in the residential rate and a 7% increase to [17:28] the commercial rate. Sale of water to Coleman is based on usage plus they had [17:33] a capital contribution to help pay for some of the um the maintenance issues [17:39] during the year. I believe it was the coordinator and valves or something like [17:42] that. Interest charges on collection 11,470. [17:47] So this is an estimate based on the water receivables and when they were [17:50] collected. Provincial grants operating nothing this year. Federal grants [17:54] operating that's the gas tax that we use to help with broken water manesinator [18:00] and some valve replacements. So total revenue 62,000. [18:04] We have expenditures salary and benefits. So that's basically public [18:07] works being allocated for the time spent um on the water system 67,000. [18:13] material supplies and utilities 287. It did include um the chlorinator and the [18:19] valve replacement of about 50,000 that's included in that number. [18:24] Contracted services includes water main repairs of about 66,000 and then there [18:29] was some controllers and transmitters that are in there as well too that Aqua [18:33] replaced for you. So total expenditures 690,000. So it did have a deficit of [18:38] 88,000. you had a very small accumulated surplus which is wiped out completely [18:43] now and you have an accumulated deficit of 8848. [18:47] So the water system assume I I don't assume it's going to get cheaper to run. [18:51] Usually water systems don't. So I'd say this is one that'll need to be continued [18:55] to be reviewed and monitored as your costs continue to rise. So do make sure [19:01] you have a plan if there's some major improvements that need to happen in the [19:04] next few years that you have an idea of how you're [19:08] asset management plan should provide some guidance on that. [19:12] Any questions on that? Next page is page 24. The sewer wetland [19:17] system. So user fees, you had no change to it, which I think makes sense [19:21] considering it is um well funded. Interest charges or it appears to be [19:26] well funded. um interest charges on collections about 4,000 based on the [19:30] estimate of receivables. Provincial grants to use some OCIF funding towards [19:35] the assimilative study and there's a CLICA [19:40] project. That might make sense to somebody. [19:43] Not sure what that is, but something to do with your sewer system. So that was a [19:46] total of 45,962. Expenditures, salaries, and benefits [19:50] 52,000. That's the public works time that's been allocated to the sewer [19:53] system based on time spent. material supplies, utilities, a whole 8,400. [19:58] Contracted services is mostly Aqua. Last year, you had the replacement of a sewer [20:03] connection. That's why it went down this year. So, it had a nice surplus of [20:07] 40,000 and it has a comfortable surplus of 561,000. [20:11] Now, obviously, the complete opposite of your water system. So, I think if you [20:16] looked at your long-term plan for the sewer system, if you know what you need [20:19] to do in the next 10 years, you might be able to figure out whether that number [20:23] is adequate or too high or too low, which should give you some direction on [20:27] what to do with rates in the future. It might be one of those where sewer rates [20:31] may actually end up staying the same or going down while you increase water. So, [20:35] that the net effect to the rateayer may not be may not be a huge one, but you're [20:40] rebalancing your water and your sewer at this time. But I can only recommend that [20:44] knowing what you need to spend on your sewer system in the next 10 years. If [20:47] you have a million-dollar project to do in the next three years, that might not [20:51] be the wisest decision. So, you need to have a bit of a plan on the sewer system [20:55] so that you can do a little bit of long-term planning on what you can do [20:58] with it. But it is sitting fairly comfortable at surplus of 56,000. [21:05] Does that make sense to everyone? It looks good, but if you have to spend [21:10] a million bucks on it next year, then not [21:14] questions on that? Okay. So, there's just our management [21:18] letter, which I think was at the beginning of our packages that I saw. [21:21] So, we've now completed the 2025 audit and consolidating financial statements [21:24] for the town of Cobalt. The financial statements show an operational deficit [21:28] of 90,000. Your net debt position continues to grow with the deficit and [21:32] is now up to just over 2,27,000. [21:38] You only have two options to consider at generating a surplus. increase taxes or [21:42] decrease expenses. The sewer system had an operational [21:46] surplus this year of 40,000 which increased the accumulated surplus to [21:49] 561,000. This system appears to be properly funded, possibly overfunded [21:54] depending on your long-term capital plan. The water system incurred an [21:58] operational deficit of 88,000 which has now created an accumulated deficit of [22:02] 88,000. A continuing increase in water fees appears to be necessary as [22:07] operating costs continue to rise. Any questions or concerns on any of [22:12] that? Now, just a reminder, those financial statements do include the [22:16] library in there. So, because the library is part of the town, they are [22:21] consolidated into your financial statements. So, as we were reviewing [22:25] those numbers, the library numbers are also in there. [clears throat] [22:30] Uh, so I do have some paperwork to sign unless anybody has any other questions [22:33] before we pass around paper. So, the first thing I'm going to pass around is [22:37] the representation letter. So, you're approving those financial statements um [22:41] based on our little presentation here. And the library has a letter and we have [22:45] a letter or the town has a letter and the library has a letter. So, you've got [22:49] four letters time signed to do that. I'll start passing those. [22:57] [cough] [23:02] You're first. I do have a few questions I need to ask [23:06] while you guys are signing. Uh does anybody have any fraud concerns or [23:10] concerns about financial propriety and that's just something that we are [23:13] required to ask at every meeting. Uh because you are charged with oversight. [23:17] So in theory you're the umbrella of the organization. So if you were aware of [23:21] fraud or aware of anything like that um it's important that we're made aware of [23:24] it. I assume silence means no. Mhm. >> Does anybody know of any lawsuits that [23:31] are not covered by insurance or anything new that's happened since December 31st [23:35] that we should be made aware of? Something significant that that's [23:39] happened that would be noted in your financial statements or anything like [23:43] that. >> I think nobody knows anything. [23:49] Okay, that's all I've got for the 2025 audit. [23:54] Any other questions or concerns? [24:00] Jamie, do you want me to do 2026 now? >> Perfect. [24:03] » Do you want me to do 2026 right now? >> 2026. So, we are almost ready to start [24:09] next year's audit this fall. Um, so we do get started before [24:15] the work done um while we can. So, we do have to meet with council before we [24:19] start that. So, we decided to do that today as well. So, the next letter I [24:23] have to pass around is the engagement letter engaging us to be the auditors [24:26] for 2026. Does anybody have any questions or concerns related to that? [24:33] Nope. So, I will pass that letter around. [24:38] There are two copies of that as well. [24:43] Some questions I do have to ask. Does anybody have any concerns or questions [24:46] about our audit process or what we do? It's your chance to ask me anything. [24:54] Uh materiality. So when we prepare our audit, um we uh pick a materiality [25:00] factor that we think would impact the user's decision making. Um so for [25:06] Cobalt, we use 45,000. So 45,000 being the accumulated errors that could happen [25:12] in the financial statements that we think would impact your decision-m. So [25:16] if there were more than $45,000 of errors, we would make sure they are all [25:19] fixed. Sometimes we have an accumulation that is below that that we don't think [25:23] is considered significant. So 45 is what we use for our testing and to make sure [25:27] that things are correct by that amount. Uh does anybody have any areas they [25:32] believe are higher risk where you should spend more audit time or concerns or [25:36] anything like that? [clears throat] [25:38] Anybody have any knowledge of fraud or any concerns about possible fraud? [25:44] Internal control discussion. and you do not have 15 people in your accounting [25:47] department to properly separate duties. Um so your controls are very limited uh [25:52] to um mostly second signatures on checks uh things like that. So the onus comes [25:58] on council to be the umbrella of the organization. So it's important you guys [26:02] are always asking questions. If you are the second signator on a check, make [26:05] sure you are reviewing the backup, the amounts, who the checks are made out of [26:09] are made out to and that the expense is a reasonable town expense. And make sure [26:13] you ask questions if there's something that seems unusual or odd. And if you're [26:18] reviewing any other reports, do ask questions if you're not understanding [26:20] anything. That's it for me. Any other questions or [26:25] concerns? >> Okay. [26:50] I think if I if I might while she's finishing up there, um the one big [26:56] number on the uh the sewer wetlands operation in United Surplus. Um, right [27:04] now we're still in negotiations uh with the government and there will be [27:11] more um uh more reports and everything that Aqua [27:16] will be putting into them as we cross our fingers that [27:21] uh our wetlands will finally be classed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. as uh a [27:28] a number one sewage level one sewage treatment plant. So that's why that [27:33] amounts there um is waiting and hopefully it won't all get used up and [27:41] trying. But if we don't get to that level one, [27:46] then the government could say to us that that's got to become uh a regular cement [27:53] building plant, sewage treatment plant. And u let's cross our fingers that never [27:59] happens because uh that was that would be [28:04] horrendous expense to us. >> Yeah. And a reminder with our water [28:09] treatment plant that it's simply a treatment plant. It's not [28:16] sterilizing, cleaning, and everything else. Uh it's using the water and just [28:21] doing a cleaning job on it. But if people pollute that lake out there and [28:29] the government province says no the water quality has gone below a certain [28:34] level then we would have to put in a full water treatment plant just like [28:42] so that's why we keep saying SAS lake is so so so important to us and trying to [28:51] keep people off of it because It's got to stay those four lakes have got to [28:56] stay unemployed. So, um that's the only two things with big [29:02] numbers in there that uh the money's in reserve for [29:08] but we will make this all available afterwards. [29:12] uh and I hope some of you were able to [29:16] understand the numbers as you hear them and go through it year after year [29:21] becomes easier. [29:24] So, uh let's continue on then. Mayor Kur, [29:30] you're coming to report on the uh the head frame and how negotiations [29:36] are going. [29:39] » Negotiations. Sure. Uh just this won't take very long [29:46] and community been talking to probably two three times [29:52] a week. Uh we do have a quote for removal of the stiplets but now I see [29:58] that you want some documents signed with council [30:04] coal historical society. Mhm. [30:07] » Uh which is fine, but we just had our council last night, so I'll have to call [30:12] a special meeting, which is not a problem. [30:15] » Get moving on the u the uh Agnik was very impressed how how [30:23] things are moving along. CA was made a comment that uh uh wants [30:30] full cost of the stiff legs. are [30:37] they have committed to uh seriousness and helping out. So, we're working on [30:43] that. So, you probably seen at least the office people have seen some some action [30:48] around the head frame [cough and clears throat] [30:51] [snorts] and now we're waiting for those numbers [30:53] to come back and uh go from there. So for okay uh [31:01] the removal of the step legs was to start at the end of August which is two [31:06] weeks away try and get all the signatures on paper [31:11] before we get going and uh [31:17] do you have any anything that we could use or safety barrier around [31:22] perimeter of that particular building when I have the contractor will have [31:26] somebody out there to to make sure that people stay away. But [31:31] if we had barriers [31:35] to people around the sidewalk, everything [31:39] must have something in that down hall. [31:45] » We can coordinate that. >> Will there be anybody to do that? [31:50] » We'll let you know then. Um, [31:58] so I guess the end of August, that's when he wanted to start. So hopefully [32:01] things right now big storm they had a couple weeks ago [32:06] flattening everything out. Couple islands. [32:09] So >> as long as they don't have another storm [32:15] tonight, >> huh like tonight? [32:17] We got the advice of a lot of people regarding the stiff legs [32:22] » and I'm getting a quote on on steel legs and light steel [32:29] » because it's not it's not not supporting anything. So light steel and that last [32:34] painted that should last out all of us. [clears throat] So [32:40] everybody agrees on that then we'll move on [32:44] » and forget about the timbers because I believe that's twice now or at least [32:49] » these timbers have been replaced before. >> Yeah. [32:52] » How many years ago 10 years 15 years? >> You'd have to ask Gino. [clears throat] [32:59] It's got to be at least four times over. [laughter] [33:04] » Yeah. >> My other question is u I'm not I'm [33:09] unsure and I and I'll talk to you Jamie in regards to that. Building inspector. [33:14] We want to make sure he's involved. >> We Who is your building inspector? Same [33:19] gentleman as us. Like Barton. >> Okay. So we'll make we'll make I'll make [33:25] a phone call to see what's required to make sure he copies you and that [33:29] obviously or we can sit down we'll take a look at it then something's required [33:35] we'll start the process if not well that's for the I don't think we need [33:40] anything for the timber >> but for the steel legs [33:45] » so we'll remove [33:50] not Jeff but >> yeah not [33:54] Okay. So, there you go. So, we've got that. It's just a matter of a phone call [33:57] then ready and >> I do have um I do have on file which I [34:05] can share with your records the uh WSIB number [34:10] contract which I'm not going to mention any names out but I do have his WSIB [34:15] number and his U clearance certificate. Okay. And um [34:22] there's another item I ask for. But anyway, I've got two documents [34:27] that uh you're probably required just in case something happens. [34:32] » Working from heights, that one, >> pardon me, [34:34] » the qualification for working at heights. [34:36] » Oh yeah. All >> well that W said he would require [34:42] » Is there special insurance for working at those heights? [34:45] » Sure. Special But there's a special kind, right? Well, he's got he's got the [34:49] climbing insurance. >> That's [34:52] okay. [34:56] » Okay. Any other questions or >> things like things seem to be moving [35:01] slow but are moving quite fast actually. But [35:06] » labor is short. [35:10] » But at least the safety part of it will go out of the way. [35:15] If it takes a little longer for the step, we also be a [clears throat] [35:20] » and a I think a would be on the same page. Make sure [35:23] » and safe and step may require an engineer to come and take a look at it. [35:30] He may not prefer yes, but [35:36] there just a statement. So, >> okay. [35:40] » Okay. So, [35:43] how long we have? Three weeks. Two weeks. [35:47] » Four weeks. >> Four weeks. [35:49] » Winter and summer. >> Oh, yeah. [35:53] » Sometimes every two weeks, sometimes every one week. [35:55] » Special meeting or >> if we need to, we call special meetings. [36:00] Regular is every four weeks. So, >> yeah. If we need any more, we'll do [36:04] that. >> Evening. Okay. [36:06] » Thank you very much for all your help on this. [36:12] Okay. [36:17] Um, so let's move to number five. [36:23] Okay. Gary, would you like to present your letter? We do have it in here. [36:30] » Okay. That's Gary's letter is down in [36:46] » [cough] [clears throat] [36:57] » 9.4. >> You want to look it up? [37:11] Oh, okay. >> Control that file. [37:18] » Keep your [laughter] [37:40] Go ahead, Mary. >> Okay. Thank you. [37:45] [snorts] I was a little bit disturbed [37:49] at the meeting I attended when I said with the mayor, [37:55] not only at the mayor, also of your council, all of you. [38:02] You let a man with experience [38:07] have the mayor raise her voice then sat right there facing while you [38:13] [clears throat] went to the chair. You remember that [38:17] two week two meetings ago. I'm appalled at this council for allowing the mayor [38:24] to take a shot at him. He is the only one here that has knowledge other than [38:30] you about counsel. He's the only one that knows the rules. Nobody else [38:34] follows him. >> So, I'm appalled. I expect an apology to [38:38] this man from this council. You sat in that chair while she was [38:44] turned to him. >> I did not know that was going to happen. [38:47] I just >> obeyed my mayor. [38:49] » You know what you said at that meeting? I know what you said. I remember so did [38:53] they. You said sitting right at that meeting, I don't know what I'm doing [38:58] here because I don't know what I'm doing. And now two meetings later, [39:02] you're the mayor of Cobalt. Not yet, by the way, the end of the meeting because [39:06] you're not. So, [39:09] do I get an apology to this man who's much more efficient than anyone in this [39:14] room? And I'm appalled at counselors [39:25] that discussed my name and a friend of mine who's running for [39:29] mayor with a bunch of people. And Gary, you know that, you [39:35] don't don't So I expect an apology to this man from [39:41] you and the mayor or and these three people here for allowing adset. And the [39:48] reason I don't call the mayor is because I stood there twice. I talked to him [39:51] once I was trying to get a seat. Do you know how she referred to me? Hey you. So [39:57] I refer to her as hey you because she never did anything good for the [40:03] town. And with the council sitting there tonight, the last meeting, the meeting [40:07] before, they said a couple words. Prior to that, they don't talk. [40:13] People sit in the audience. Nobody talks. [40:18] So, what's going on? You guys want to help the town, but you [40:22] haven't. [clears throat] Just the opposite. You raise taxes [40:29] enormous amount of money. Why? [40:33] Because you don't know what you're doing or what's going on. Tell the people they [40:36] want to know and that's why I'm here. >> You think you know what you're doing? [40:41] » I don't think you do. Personally, I don't. But that's my opinion. [40:44] » I know what you're doing. >> What am I doing? [40:47] » Be in a pain. >> In a pain. You don't like any council. [40:50] You've never liked any council. >> Be in a pain. [40:55] » Yeah. What council did you like? >> How long you lived in Cola? [41:00] » Eight years. Nine years. >> Not enough to know anything. [41:02] » No. >> I can ask this gentleman right here a [41:06] while back when he's asked what he knew about any of the stuff going on in [41:10] Kobach. Is he ever in the military bunker? No. Bunker, which is priceless. [41:16] There's only two and they're priceless. And what did this council want to do? I [41:21] know. I was sitting right there. You want to close them down. You want them [41:25] out of Cobalt. You give them one year lease. You want them gone because you [41:28] don't know anything about anything. And I'm not shy to say it and I will say it. [41:33] And if you want to come after me, please jump in. I I want you to [41:40] see her. >> Okay, Gary, may I jump in? [41:44] » Time's up. >> No, Gary. [41:46] » No time. You know why? >> Before you gave it. [41:51] » No, I'm speaking to you, Gary. Then tell him to be [41:54] » Yes, Mr. Hughes. Why can it? >> Okay. Now, I will say this very [42:00] honestly, you can shoot me if you like. Um I have found [42:07] this past council it's been very difficult to discuss things and other [42:13] past councils if I know councelor Wilcox knows every single rule but sometimes if [42:21] you keep jumping in with those rules it has totally in uh [clears throat] [42:28] ended the flow of conversation too many times and I'm sorry about that. Um we [42:34] have frustration >> sorry about how we feel but I have felt [42:41] this council this council >> has tried to express things and has been [42:47] stopped and tried to express things and has been [42:51] stopped and that's been our frustration and uh I hope that we can open up and [42:59] [snorts] have I would like to see that we don't [43:04] worry about every tiny tiny tiny tiny rule and how things are said. [43:10] » But you do. >> But no, we don't. [43:12] » You do. >> He does. [clears throat] [43:14] » Let me tell you the story. I [snorts] asked you to speak at the last meeting. [43:18] » Yes, I know. >> What did you tell me? Please answer me [43:22] exactly what you said. Um for the public here, the reason why we said no was [43:26] because we had the head frame issue come and this was a lot of people coming and [43:34] wanting to know about the head frame and it was okay. Everything was tight tight [43:39] tight there yours and Mr. Kuru's but we wanted to get the head frame [43:46] issue dealt with. I I I agree. Dan's on board. [43:52] » That's Yeah. >> And that's why we put you for here. [43:56] » This council wasn't doing anything till Dan and and the committee come in and [44:03] please and because it was going down the whole building, which there was no need [44:08] of it. >> Um no, [44:10] » but that building's been in bad repair. The [44:15] historical society is supposed to be looking after it and nothing was done [44:19] and nothing was done. It was them to start and [44:25] for at least 3 years and nothing happened. So it's like if they're not [44:30] going to jump in and get get support and do it. Okay. [44:34] » Do you happen to know the story about >> Of course I do. [44:39] » You do. >> You know where it was built? Yes. [44:43] » Yeah. Do you know how far down in the ground it was? [44:46] » How far down in the ground the head frame was before it did anything? [44:51] » You have approximately 80 ft of clay. Do you know how they got it [44:57] out? >> Cuz I was one of them there with my [45:00] truck. >> Okay. [45:01] » That's what you people don't know. You don't know nothing about his history. [45:05] » Mr. Wilox can answer you anything, but you don't use him for what he should be [45:09] used for. You sit there and let a mayor berate the man. He's the only one here [45:15] that knows anything. The only man [45:19] you told me on tonight I couldn't speak. But I'll tell you what you said right [45:24] down the bottom of the stair. Very interesting. [45:29] You said no, you can't speak tonight. Then you turn around and said, [45:35] "You flooded my yard out 40 years ago. What's that? Got to It's not a joke, [45:40] ma'am. It's not a joke. Please don't laugh. [45:45] You said >> I flooded you out. You fluted your [45:48] driveway out 40 years ago. Well, to me, that's not much range. If you sit back [45:53] and hold back on somebody for 40 years, which it wasn't true because you sent [45:58] somebody over there, B officer, and he come. [46:01] » Let's not get into stuff like that. >> I don't think this council should even [46:05] be here. I'd like to ask for all your resignation tonight. I'll let Mr. Wilox [46:09] you as well, mayor, but I know I won't get them, but I'm going to ask them on [46:12] behalf of the town people >> enough [46:17] you've stated in the first paragraph, second par second paragraph, [46:24] other issues you were bringing up in there and uh [46:27] » Okay. >> Yeah. [46:29] » But you have five more minutes and then we have a lot of stuff to go on. call at [46:36] the last meeting with the head there was no time and if I recall there was an [46:40] individual I'm glad he spoke up but he wasn't on the agenda so please let's not [46:45] pick on me because >> no I'm not picking on you have a whole [46:49] letter here let's deal with it quickly please [46:51] » just [46:55] when did I even see it tell you [46:59] » but I tell you again >> well okay this is probably not the time [47:03] for petty grievances No, you don't want pettes. It's [47:07] ridiculous. >> Sharply. [47:09] » Mhm. >> It's got a good price tag on it. [47:13] » Yes. >> Probably fair. And I know Sue behind me [47:18] has done her work. >> Mhm. [47:20] » Not questioning her work. Correct. >> Mhm. [47:22] » But what I'm questioning is where are you going to build? [47:27] If you do take all the gravel, where are you going to build? [47:31] » We're not going to build. We're going to sell it. Let [47:34] » let someone else build. How are they going to build? [47:37] » I don't know. >> That lake belongs to the cobalt water [47:41] shed. >> I know. [47:44] » So, so you can't >> you got to go back 100 or 200 feet from [47:48] the lake to the water. >> Where are you going to put a building? [47:51] So, something's going on here. I don't know. [47:53] » Mr. Bigalow, we are aware of that that this how far you got to stay back. We [47:58] are aware of the cost that would be in planning and all the rest of it and are [48:01] saying no, we will be selling it. >> I I got nothing against selling. Good. [48:07] » I just want the new owner to come in to realize that he may not be able to put a [48:10] cottage on there. >> That's fine. [48:12] » But you haven't done that. All you do is want to sell, make money. [48:16] » The That's up to the buyer. >> No, it's up to the seller. You're you're [48:20] the one sitting in the chair, ma'am, not me. Because I would tell the guy, you [48:25] better look into this possibility of not being able to build after you take the [48:29] aggregate though. >> Mr. Big, when someone comes to look at [48:33] the property, they're going to be told the real estate agent all those things [48:40] because those are the legal things you've got to tell them. [48:43] » Okay, so let's go on Sharp Lake. Yes, we will be selling. [48:47] » You know, I have a counselor just staring at me the whole time. [48:51] It's not worth being So, I'll ask again. All but Mr. Wilcox, [48:56] mayor and council, resign your seats for the betterment of the town. [49:00] » Absolutely not. >> I'm finished. That's good. [49:04] » Okay. And your five minutes are up. >> We're here for them, [49:07] » not for ourselves. [clears throat] [49:11] » Mr. Thank you, good sir. [49:16] » And let's try and continue this meeting. Okay. [49:21] I [49:25] had to help you out, but I know you don't want me to site your rules, so [49:28] » that's okay. [49:32] » Okay. Now, number five, adoption of meeting agenda. [49:36] » Pardon? >> Yeah. Okay. Where are we at? Okay. Draft [49:41] motion. Be it resolved that council approve the [49:47] uh [clears throat] >> the agenda. No, we're making a change to [49:50] a slight change to it of the regular meeting dated August 18th, 2026 as [49:56] presented. Now, head frame motion um back in our package was listed as 8.6 [50:05] and it will be 8.7. We had two 8.6s in there. So, that would [50:11] be the amended agenda. Can I have a mover and a seconder? [50:16] Council Hughes. Seconder. [50:21] Okay. Councelor Ward. All in favor. Okay. [50:28] Now, adoption of previous council minutes. [50:33] And here we go. So, we have be it resolved that council approve the [50:38] following minutes as presented. Regular meeting of council July 21st, 2026 and [50:44] the special meeting of council August 12th, 2026. [50:49] Move her and seconder. Okay. Counc [clears throat] [50:53] Starship. Second. [50:58] Hughes. Council Hughes. All in favor? [51:04] Okay. Now we have staff reports coming up. And [51:09] the staff reports [51:14] are a very thick package. and as much as we can as they're dealt with um and [51:22] parts of the the staff reports that can uh that aren't mentioning people's [51:27] names, stuff like that uh will be put out into the public afterwards because [51:32] so much here I want really want you to know about. So, first of all, 7.1 is the [51:38] bylaw enforcement um report and uh that was for June [51:47] and um so that report is in there and [51:54] I think that's that's not a report that can be put out [51:59] because it mentions addresses, doesn't it? Yeah. So that's the report that our [52:03] bylaw officer has to watch, come back to and follow up on all the time. 7.2 [52:11] is the tender to purchase surplus properties. And we're talking about 39 [52:16] Watson Place and 29 Hudson Bay Road. And these are um sold [52:25] » sold. So we will be passing them through. But [52:29] that uh tender 39 Watson Place was $14,500 [clears throat] [52:35] and this is a small piece of land [52:41] 6,300 square ft and it is suitable for a dwelling. 29 Hudson Bay Road um is was [52:51] sold for 145 as well and it is also suitable for a dwelling. [52:57] And uh seems to me uh I think if I if I if I've spotted the [53:04] place right, anyone remember old Mr. Magcoo from years ago? I think that was [53:10] where his old house was. >> Pardon? [53:14] » Is it down farther? >> They burnt down. Town burnt. [53:19] » Okay. Yeah. So those are the two buildings that uh have been sold and we [53:24] will be passing that through in the the bylaws afterwards. [53:29] » Okay. Um 32 Earl Crescent is coming up and uh [53:39] so it has [53:43] the [53:46] » Yeah, >> we had an offer on it but yeah was low. [53:50] » That's right. And we had a low offer on it. So this one will remain still the [53:54] the offer was rejected. It will still remain. [54:01] see if we can celebrate this valuation 6,000. [54:05] » Yeah. So, we're looking 6 to8,000 hopefully and they the offer was far [54:11] lower than that. Um manager is allocated that if an offer is 10 15% [54:20] from what uh the it's posted for then he can just go ahead and finalize the sale. [54:27] If not, if it keeps coming back, then that's got to be a council decision in [54:32] the end. The next big one is leases on municipal [54:37] buildings. And while we're at this, uh, that's 7.4. [54:45] We have been knocking this around in council for ever. Um, [54:51] the municipal buildings that we have, [54:56] the tourism entities that are in there pay no taxes, have paid no rent, and the [55:02] town has been supporting those buildings all along. There's part of the reason [55:07] why we fall behind every year. Um it comes out to we have [55:14] um all the uh all the details of which building and what costs and everything, [55:21] but it comes to about every year about $70,000 [55:26] of taxpayers money go to fund those buildings. [55:33] And that works out to between two uh it was just a guesstimate [55:39] because it would take forever to go back and look at everyone's tax bill to to [55:44] get a percentage, but uh Cassie guesstimated between $2 and $300 of your [55:51] tax bill every year goes to fund those buildings so that the [55:58] various tourism entities are living in there rentree. Now, every year we go [56:03] behind and behind, but in the teen years and yeah, in the teen years [56:11] we were trying to help out. Councils were trying to help out and we were [56:14] giving a grant $10,000 to each each year. Well, we got to the point where [56:20] it's like uh back near the end of the teens. We can no longer do that. We're [56:26] getting farther and farther and farther behind on resources. [56:31] and we had to stop it and they were on their own. Then we did look before CO [56:38] started councils were discussing uh forming proper leases and looking at [56:46] rents whatever we could do to get some help back from those tourism entities. [56:51] Um and CO came and everything stops and of course the tourism stopped. [57:00] Uh tourist costs went up because you weren't having income coming in. Uh town [57:07] costs went up drastically too uh with things that had to be done and fulfilled [57:12] during CO and we went further behind. Now, we've waited and waited uh after [57:19] things opened to give the tourism groups chance to get caught up. And now is the [57:26] time that we have in this package formal leases put out the costs that are [57:34] incurred by each of the different tourism groups in their individual [57:38] buildings. And [snorts] uh we will then leave [clears throat] it [57:43] to our manager uh to start negotiations and start [57:49] setting up leases uh and then negotiate it uh in camera [57:56] first because you don't you don't go and rent a building and negotiate that out [58:03] in the general public a rent and those will be negotiated in camera and then in [58:09] the and the results can be put out. But um part of part of the finances that [58:15] have come from this um you will be able to see gradually along the way. But this [58:20] this was what we were aiming for this term and with all the upsets that [58:27] happened um we didn't get there. So, we're I stipulated that I wanted these [58:35] things set up, the financial parts all put out. Everything's set up and ready [58:41] to go. So, that we've got one, we've only got one more meeting to go. Um, [58:47] it's not all going to be finalized. It can't be by then, but that sets the next [58:52] council up so that everything is ready to go because we would like as much as [58:56] possible ready for 2027. Um, and all we're looking at is taking [59:05] and not being a regular landlord that asks for more because a regular landlord [59:10] owned building would want a profit. We're not looking at making a profit off [59:14] of those buildings. We're looking at breaking even. [59:19] And the first one, of course, we've looked at um in depth was the theater [59:26] because of the problems there. And um we have been reassured that to fix that one [59:34] uh corner >> the foundation [59:37] » the foundation corner there that problem and that crack um that it's not going to [59:42] cost extra. So, uh, it's like, okay, because if it had it would have I've [59:51] seen foundation cracks before and foundations open and [59:55] because of my past experience and in stuff like that. Um, yes, I was [59:59] freaking, but so we're crossing our fingers. [1:00:05] [clears throat] So, that's that's that staff report. Um, next is the memorandum [1:00:12] of understanding uh on the head frame [1:00:17] and um Oh, that's we do have a commercial lease drawn up there that [1:00:23] will be the template. >> Yeah, [clears throat] that's the [1:00:25] template. Yeah. So, uh that can be worked on with everyone involved. the [1:00:31] memorandum of understanding we will be presenting tonight uh on the pan silver [1:00:36] head frame and uh I'll read all that out later when we get to that part. Uh user [1:00:45] fees of course they always keep going up. [1:00:50] water. Yeah, water um water co the reason why [1:00:56] water costs keep going up. Part of it is uh [1:01:03] Aqua has to do what the provincial government says they want done in that [1:01:09] plant. It's not a case that they come to us and say, "Well, gee, we really think [1:01:14] we should change this or we should change that or you know, this might be [1:01:18] an improvement." they are going on what the government tells them to do and so [1:01:26] every time that happens uh those parts and computers that have [1:01:31] to go in there and everything else are very costly. So that's a good part of [1:01:36] what brings the water bill up. And then [1:01:41] how many water breaks we had this year? Two, three. We're monitoring one now. [1:01:47] » Yeah, there's one. >> Yeah, there's one now. We're monitoring [1:01:50] every time that happens. Um, that's another 10 grand or so, isn't it? [1:01:57] We budget for two or three every year. >> Yes. [1:02:02] » Why isn't the water being repaired? >> Why is it being monitored? [1:02:07] » There's a small leak. I think it's >> No. Um, [1:02:11] » it's on. >> Yeah. [1:02:14] » Trying to figure out what it is. >> Yeah. Patrick Sitter has been trying [1:02:17] monitoring it trying to figure out where the actual leak is. Where the water [1:02:22] might show above ground might not be where the actual leak in the pipe is. [1:02:27] » Yeah. >> So you call in the fellow who locates [1:02:31] those things and he does his thing and then you get it repaired. [1:02:35] » We're working on Yeah. >> We don't have everyone available now. [1:02:40] » No, but water leaks are serious. They're not something that can be just dismissed [1:02:44] and put on a back burner. They are a threat to the integrity of the water [1:02:48] system. >> It has it it it deserves much more [1:02:53] importance than it once seems to be getting [1:02:57] » but we don't have the equipment at present and we don't have the the staff [1:03:01] right now. But it will be looked after and it [1:03:05] » deserves a later. I was told about one one pothole that needs a look at too. [1:03:12] Write that down there. [1:03:16] Uh, okay. [1:03:21] So, next. Okay. [1:03:27] Um, [1:03:30] okay. So, I've given you all the the uh those discussion ready to Oh, we didn't [1:03:39] get a mover in second, did we? for staff reports. Sorry, [1:03:45] I read too fast and skip. Okay, move her and secondary for staff reports. Okay, [1:03:50] councelor Star. [1:03:54] Who else? Okay, [snorts] [1:03:57] thank you. Councor Hughes, all in favor? And [1:04:05] and I must say if you haven't read read everything in detail, make sure you do [1:04:08] because there's a lot of detail in there. Okay. Now, council vacancy. We're [1:04:13] on to item 8.1. Be it resolved the following Oh, are you [1:04:19] going to read this one? >> I'll read this one. [1:04:20] » You read this one. Thank you, sir. [snorts] [1:04:23] » Resolve that the following members of council have signified in writing they [1:04:26] are legally qualified the whole office and consented to accept the office. if [1:04:30] they are appointed to fill the vacancy be considered for an appointment to fill [1:04:34] such vacancy and the one person was deputy mayor pen the mover and the [1:04:39] secondary [1:04:51] » so [1:04:55] I'm down to there >> so nobody else put their name in from [1:04:59] council So we'll move to the next motion was [1:05:03] which states be it resolved that Pat Anderson be appointed to the council [1:05:08] position of mayor for the remainder remainder of the 2022 to 2026 term of [1:05:14] council and further that the direct declaration of office be administered [1:05:18] and further that Pat Henderson counselor seat be vacant at the next regular [1:05:23] meeting of council. [1:05:41] What are we doing? Mover. >> Yeah. [1:05:46] » So, [1:05:51] I get oath of office. >> Oh, okay. [1:05:55] So, oath of office municipal act 2001 2001 [1:06:01] C25 S232 in brackets one I Pat Anderson do [1:06:07] solemnly affirm that I will perform the duties of the office of the mayor [1:06:11] faithfully and with [snorts] integrity. I will abide by the statutes, bylaws, [1:06:16] and policies that govern the town of Kobalt and will promote openness, [1:06:20] accountability, and responsible leadership. And I will faithfully [1:06:24] perform the duties of my office and will not allow any private interest to [1:06:28] influence my conduct, my conduct in public affairs. I will dedicate myself [1:06:33] at all times to acting in the best interests of the residents of the town [1:06:37] of Kobalt. And I make this solemn promise and declaration conscientiously [1:06:42] believing it to be true and knowing that is of the same force and effect as if [1:06:47] made under oath. [1:06:52] » And sign. >> Okay, [1:07:02] » there we go. Congratulations. >> Oh, thank you. [1:07:06] » Congratulations. [snorts] >> And thank you. [laughter] I thank you [1:07:09] for that. And the next part in there for [1:07:15] uh normally my position on council would would then [1:07:19] be advertised for replacement be because we're [1:07:22] » too close to the >> too close to that 90-day period. Um that [1:07:26] would be for the next meeting. It would be declared vacant and that's in the [1:07:29] 90-day period before the election. So then it it doesn't have to be. [1:07:35] » Yes. [clears throat] So the money for the council seat, where does that go? [1:07:40] There'll be money left over, right? >> Well, it'll just don't worry. Just go [1:07:44] just save general revenue. It'll go to >> Yeah. No, I won't get double paid. [1:07:49] » No, I know. I know. I just go. >> In fact, I'm not I'm not worried about [1:07:54] if I still got paid as counselor. >> No, I understand. [1:07:57] » That's fine. Yeah. Uh but yeah, we just stay in general government and and be a [1:08:03] we cost savings there, too. Yeah. >> Well, that's good because it's only one [1:08:09] two more months anyway. >> Um, yeah. And sort of on that light, uh, [1:08:15] because the October meeting would fall, uh, just at voting time between the [1:08:20] early vote and the regular vote, uh, we will not be having an October meeting [1:08:25] obviously. So, uh, after we'll have the meeting in September and then continue [1:08:30] on and and then the new council will start [1:08:34] » in November. >> You're going to be lame duck after [1:08:36] Friday. >> Yeah, we're lame duck after Friday. So, [1:08:38] » hopefully >> that's why we've got [1:08:42] lots to finish off and I hope we will get more candidates running and u we're [1:08:49] getting there. Yeah, [1:08:54] » we're up to three. There was one more on the list today. [1:08:57] » Yeah. >> Yeah. Who I do not know. So, um [1:09:02] or I might have met but can't remember a name. [1:09:06] » Okay. So, we're on to 8.3. Um [1:09:11] » financial statements. >> Financial statements is presented by [1:09:13] Camp Elliot and Blair LLP Chartered Professional Accountants. Draft motion. [1:09:19] Be it resolved that council receives the 2025 financial statements for the [1:09:24] corporation of the town of Cobalt and the Cobalt Public Library as presented [1:09:28] by Camp Elliot and Blair LLP, Charter Professional Accountants. Mover and [1:09:33] second, Councelor Hughes. [1:09:39] Oh, did you have your hand up? Remember, please Doug, [1:09:42] » you got you got to make a bigger movement because of that that bad eye. [1:09:47] » I'm watching it. >> Are you watching? Okay, thank you [1:09:50] discussion. I think we've talked about it lots and [1:09:55] we will get the information once it's all finalized. [1:09:59] Uh my guess would be the next council be [1:10:03] starting when we actually have those final papers and then I want those [1:10:08] finals posted. [1:10:11] » Yeah, they'll be they'll be available in the office and the website. [1:10:14] » Yeah, on and on the website. Thank you. Okay. Yes, sir. [1:10:18] » I was just gonna say I just wish it was more current. It's eight months ago. [1:10:22] Like this is lots has happened since then, you know, [1:10:25] » explanation for that because it was only three weeks ago we did that another one [1:10:30] of the accountants did tomogy medical. >> I think I don't know whether they're the [1:10:35] only ones in this area that can do it or one of the few. And there are I know [1:10:43] whenever we do joint stuff municipally and some of these things that for all [1:10:48] its hands down it's going to cost us more and more money and we do joint [1:10:52] stuff. Uh there's 26 municipalities that they've got to go through. There is also [1:11:00] um all the medical boards and a lot of the other public boards [1:11:06] too. They got a lot of a lot of it. So it It all depends on who gets their [1:11:14] stuff in first. And a lot of times it depends all all it takes is [1:11:20] one company, you know, one asset that should be [1:11:25] coming in or money that should be coming back to us that isn't paid yet and it [1:11:32] holds it up and holds it up and holds it up. I remember um with the uh the dishes [1:11:38] sitting out there in the countryside uh they're supposedly making electricity [1:11:43] for years and years and years. They'd go over a year and never send [1:11:48] their money and that would hold our financial statement up over and over [1:11:51] again until finally we solved that problem and said, "Fine, we're renting [1:11:56] the land to you and getting their check at least faster every year." So that's [1:12:01] it comes in order of who gets theirs in first. And if there's still someone [1:12:06] owing you money, you can't hand all that stuff in until [1:12:10] it's all the bills are paid. >> So yes, this is very very late and uh [1:12:16] it's usually a couple months before and of course seems later because we've got [1:12:20] a vote coming. >> Thank you for the explanation. [1:12:23] » Okay, you're welcome. Okay, that was discussion. Vote. All in [1:12:28] favor? [1:12:32] One, two. Thank you. [1:12:37] » Councelor Wilcox in favor or >> what are we voting on? [1:12:42] » Financial statements. >> Financial statements. [1:12:43] » Very good. >> Pardon? [1:12:45] » Yes. >> Thank you. [1:12:48] » Passed. >> Okay. Tender to purchase surplus lot 39 [1:12:53] Watson Place. That was from staff report 2026. [1:12:59] 0818.1.01 [1:13:02] draft motion whereas at the regular council meeting on September 19th 2023 [1:13:08] council declared 39 watts in place as surplus and to be advertised for sale. [1:13:14] Is that really 2023 or 2026? >> That's when it was declared surplus. [1:13:19] » Declared surplus. Thank you. Okay. So it took three years [1:13:22] » and so it took three years and whereas attender has been received and whereas [1:13:27] council has received staff report 2026.08.18.01. [1:13:33] Now therefore be it resolved that council approve the sale of 39 Watson [1:13:37] place to per jendra [1:13:42] kendron for the sum of $14,500 plus applicable legal fees and direct [1:13:49] staff to proceed with the necessary documents. [1:13:53] Mover and seconder. Thank you sir. We go down to councelor [1:13:58] ward and councelor staruk. [1:14:04] Any discussion? All in favor? Thank you. [1:14:10] Pass. 8.4. Tender to purchase surplus lot 29 [1:14:15] Hudson Bay staff report 2026.08.18.01. [1:14:22] Draft motion. Whereas at the regular council meeting on October 14th, 2025, [1:14:27] council declared 29 Hudson Bay Road as surplus and be advertised for sale. And [1:14:33] whereas a tender has been received and whereas council has received staff [1:14:37] report 2026.08.18.01. [1:14:42] Now there therefore be it resolved the council approved the sale of 29 Hudson [1:14:47] Bay Road to Jeremy Travis for the sum of $10,000 [1:14:52] plus applicable legal fees and direct staff to proceed with the necessary [1:14:56] documents. Move her in second. [1:14:59] » Councelor Suck. [1:15:03] Anyone else? Seconder. [1:15:09] » Councelor Wilcox. >> Okay. [1:15:14] » Yeah. [clears throat] Discussion. [1:15:17] » Yes. >> Yes. [1:15:18] » Build there. There's no sewage there. It's a very small lot and it's right [1:15:24] close to the creek. Uh, let's go back to >> just throwing that out there. [1:15:33] » It did say on I see a picture. Is this the one [1:15:38] » going to be like 50 mters from a creek or something? It's an awful small lot. [1:15:43] » Mhm. [clears throat] Oh, Hudson Bay room. [1:15:46] » Let's find it. could is there room for there could be room for a sub. [1:15:52] » It's zoned residential and it's got potential use on here. [1:15:59] » It's4 acres. [1:16:03] So, it is a small lot [snorts] [1:16:07] and uh >> it's a hill. [1:16:09] » Pardon? >> Half of it hill as well. [1:16:11] » Half of it hills. You have a hillside house. Dig in the [1:16:16] hillside. Yeah. Unless it's rock, of course. [1:16:21] But they are willing to buy it, use it. >> Just throwing that out there. [1:16:27] » Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Any other discussion? [1:16:32] [clears throat] All in favor? [1:16:37] » Carried. [1:16:40] » That was on there. There. Okay. [1:16:47] Yeah. Oh. 8.5 property to be declared surplus. [1:16:53] That's 32 Earl Crescent. Draft uh staff report 2026.08.18.02. [1:17:00] Draft motion. Whereas council received staff report 2026.08.8.02 [1:17:07] 2 with the recommendation to declare role number 54-08-0000-001-12300 [1:17:19] 0-000000 known as 32 Earl Crescent as surplus to [1:17:24] municipal needs and whereas one tender has been received. Now therefore be it [1:17:29] resolved the council declare role on that long number excuse me [1:17:36] » as surplus to municipal needs and >> that means [1:17:42] » that's the one that they wanted for parking. [1:17:45] » Yeah. So put it up for sale. >> Yeah. [1:17:48] » Mhm. >> So uh I think that that's a rock one and [1:17:53] they wanted the property for parking. Um, their bid was already [1:17:58] » So, their bid was all ready to go. So, >> so, uh, [1:18:03] » the bid was low. We're put >> Yes, that's right. Yes. So, their bid [1:18:08] was that's the one that was request. >> Mhm. [1:18:13] » Okay. Move her and second her. Okay. Let's move it and second and then we can [1:18:16] discuss. >> Okay. [1:18:19] Who's [clears throat] going to second? So, we move back. Okay. Thanks, [1:18:24] Councelor Starchuk. And yes, let's go back to you then. [1:18:28] » Yes. Um, if it's too small to build on and they only want it for parking, [1:18:35] » um, why would we be trying to get something? I think they bided what, [1:18:41] 2,000, >> but we have to we still have to declare [1:18:44] a surplus first. >> Yeah, we're just this is this is [1:18:48] declaring a surplus address. >> Yeah. Um it's it's quite a extension to [1:18:54] their backyard as well. The property does come up from the street straight [1:18:57] up. So it would double their yard almost as well. [1:19:00] » The point was going to be though, is there anybody else who's ever likely to [1:19:03] be able to buy it or want to buy it? You know, [1:19:05] » if not then what you got is what you got. Sell it, you know. [1:19:11] » So when >> But our first step is declared surplus. [1:19:13] » Yeah. We're declaring a surplus and then you can negotiate. [1:19:16] » Yeah. >> Yeah. [1:19:20] » Okay. So all in favor then declaring it surplus. [1:19:24] Good. Thank you Gary. [1:19:29] Municipal building leases. So we have a draft put together that will be worked [1:19:37] on gradually. Um but in the staff report. So that staff report this is [1:19:43] 8.6. Yeah. Excuse me. [1:19:48] Make that change here. 8.6 Municipal Building Leases Staff Report [1:19:53] 2026.08.18.03 [1:19:57] and draft motion whereas the municipality owns and manages various [1:20:01] buildings leased to external properties parties and whereas establishing [1:20:06] standardized lease agreement ensures equity consistency and risk mitigation [1:20:10] across all municipal properties and where council received and re reviewed [1:20:15] staff report 2026.08 08.18.03 [1:20:21] which attaches a newly developed standard municipal lease agreement [1:20:25] template. Now therefore be it resolved that the [1:20:28] standard municipal lease agreement template be attached to staff report [1:20:34] 2026.0.18.0 zero be approved in principle. [1:20:41] Two, municipal staff be authorized and directed to utilize this this approved [1:20:47] template as the baseline framework for negotiating all future tenencies and [1:20:52] lease renewals within town owned facilities. Three, the mayor and clerk [1:20:57] be authorized to execute individual leases derived from this template. So [1:21:02] mover and a seconder councelor Hughes and Staruck [1:21:10] discussion. Councelor Wilcox. Uh I would like to [1:21:16] move that this item be deferred to the next term. [1:21:21] Uh because that is the council that's going to have to live with whatever [1:21:24] results from this. I would note that uh well the bunker [1:21:30] museum uh we would be looking to uh have them [1:21:36] pay another 5286 bucks I guess [snorts] something that [1:21:43] » uh the last time the last business I can recall ever being in that location was a [1:21:49] men's clothing store operated by Charlie Hut in the 1960s. [1:21:56] I don't remember any other commercial or retail effort being made in that space. [1:22:01] So if you get rid of if you charge the bunker more than they can afford, then [1:22:06] you have nothing in that space. So it's something and and that'll apply [1:22:12] to most of these other items as well. So I think rather than saddling with the [1:22:17] next council with this thought that we should leave it over to them and see [1:22:22] what they want to do. And therefore, as I say, we move to [1:22:26] defer. >> And what we're doing is trying to [1:22:31] prepare things for the next council. And so that [1:22:39] um I don't know what the town as a whole taxpayers [1:22:48] um and this is what we'd like to know and have feedback. Are you quite willing [1:22:54] that your taxes keep uh paying for everything there? But one [1:23:00] way or another, we need a lease in there. If you read through the lease and [1:23:05] all the terms in there, that provides a lot of protection from the proof that's [1:23:11] in there and protection from the town when things happen. Uh it's a standard, [1:23:17] it's pretty well a standard lease agreement. And uh no, we're not taking [1:23:22] questions from this the floor. Sorry. >> You're talking about something that [1:23:27] you're not saying the whole truth >> because in in the bunker it's in the [1:23:35] basement. >> That makes no difference. [1:23:38] » Others above us. >> Yes, I know. We are well aware of that, [1:23:41] Mr. Harrison. uh we're aware of what's in each [1:23:45] property, what's doing, what the costs are, and the costs been broken down in [1:23:49] there, and I hope that [1:23:54] um we get feedback from the taxpayers that are paying it. Um we we were [1:24:02] council back in the late teens. We're getting prepared to do this. [1:24:08] It got postponed because co co It got postponed and all those years. So [1:24:13] $70,000 or more of taxpayers money goes into supporting [1:24:20] those groups. Um, and it's are we going to keep [1:24:26] bleeding and bleeding and bleeding and putting our taxes up more [1:24:32] because those are costs over and above what is required to run the town. [1:24:40] And uh so that's why we wanted to get this set [1:24:46] in place. We've mucked around with it for years. [1:24:51] It's not set in place. We're saying here is a lease agreement to look at. Here is [1:24:57] considerations and it will definitely passed on. We're not going to we're not [1:25:02] going to sign a lease now. This is for the next government administration to [1:25:08] do. Yes. >> Yeah. So you can put that on paper and [1:25:10] then negotiate. Maybe >> negotiate. Yes. [1:25:13] » Right. >> Yeah. [1:25:16] » Yeah. Yeah, >> I'm not going to run around with the [1:25:18] lease tomorrow and say sign on the dotted line. [1:25:21] » Council had passed a motion to start negotiating [1:25:25] theater. >> Mhm. [1:25:26] » So, we're supposed we're supposed to arrange a meeting in September just to [1:25:30] get >> Yeah. And they are expecting a meeting [1:25:33] in September. >> That's nice. However, point of order. I [1:25:38] have made a motion to defer. You now need to ask if there's a second for the [1:25:43] motion and then you have the discussion. Can I get a second around my motion? [1:25:49] » Second. >> Okay. Councelor Ward. [1:25:52] » So, yeah. And your motion says >> My motion says that this item be [1:25:57] deferred to the next council's term. >> Okay. [1:26:02] » They're the ones who are going to have to live with it. [1:26:07] » No, our taxes taxpayers have to live with it long [snorts and clears throat] [1:26:10] term anyway. >> Yeah. But this this will also give [1:26:13] taxpayers a chance to think about it. figure out what's going on. Also, can't [1:26:18] just >> do it. [1:26:20] » No. [1:26:23] » Is providing everything for the next council to start [1:26:28] working on >> instead of starting from scratch. So, [1:26:36] any other are we ready to vote? [clears throat] [1:26:40] » All in favor? [1:26:43] No. Deferral. All against >> and [clears throat] [1:26:50] I'm against [1:26:54] » mostly because we've been waiting for eight [clears throat] years. It's [1:27:00] » you hear people say we're not doing anything. Let's keep it moving forward. [1:27:04] Just because we're at the end of this term, keep things moving forward. It [1:27:09] doesn't mean that they have to take that lease. It doesn't mean the next council [1:27:15] has sacked on it. What we're doing is handing them a recommendation. [1:27:21] » Okay. [1:27:25] » Now, do we have to go back and vote on it? [1:27:30] » Move. Okay. So, on the original 8.6 draft motion, councelor Hughes and [1:27:37] Councelor Star, you moved and second that. And could we [1:27:43] have a vote on it? >> Recorded vote, please. Like a recorded [1:27:46] vote. Okay. >> What's this one? You said 86. [1:27:49] » Yes. 86 for >> silverhead. Silver head frame. [1:27:53] » No, the municipal building leases >> page four. [1:27:57] » Yeah. There's two 8.6es on your paper. That's why we amended the thing. [1:28:03] So, this is for the the building leases. >> Okay. [1:28:06] » Okay. Um, so [1:28:11] » [snorts] >> So we start councelor Hughes. [1:28:17] » Yes. >> Okay. Four. [1:28:19] » Councelor Starcha. >> Councelor Ward. [1:28:23] » Councelor Wilcox. >> And I will vote for break the tie. [1:28:31] And we will pass things on. [1:28:41] » [snorts] [1:28:45] [clears throat] >> Okay. [1:28:47] Now, the other 8.6 six that's on here that uh [1:28:51] I amended the agenda way way back at the very beginning to make it 8.7 is the [1:28:58] authorization of the Cobalt Historic Society as project manager for the pan [1:29:03] silver head frame the Willlet Green Memorial Heritage Silver Trail site [1:29:07] number 14 as requested by Cobalt Historical Society and that's from staff [1:29:13] report 2026.08.18.04. [1:29:19] Now, [laughter] [1:29:24] » are you ready? >> Read all that. [1:29:26] » Do you want to read all that? >> Sure. [1:29:30] » I'm getting dry. >> Whereas the 1990s [1:29:34] [clears throat] >> where since the 1990s, the town of [1:29:37] Cobalt together with the township of Coleman and the Heritage Silver Trail [1:29:41] Committee conceived a self-guided tour of the region's mining heritage. And [1:29:45] whereas in 1998 the pan silver head frame was relocated from township to its [1:29:51] current location on silver street and donated to the town of cobalt for its [1:29:55] use as a tourist attraction. Whereas in 1999, in order to access [1:30:00] public funding, the Cobalt Historic Society, a nonprofit incorporation was [1:30:05] established to work collaboratively with and in partnership with the town of [1:30:09] Cobalt and Malden Township, forming a three-way partnership to plan, [1:30:13] construct, and maintain the Heritage Silver Trail. [1:30:16] And whereas in 2003 on the 100th anniversary of the silver discovery, the [1:30:20] pan silver head frame was renamed the Willick Green Memorial Site number 14 on [1:30:25] the HS sorry >> Cobalt Historic I was going to say HST [1:30:31] Cobalt Historic >> Society Heritage Silver Trail. [1:30:35] » Heritage Civil Trail, sorry. And Cobalt Historic Society. And whereas in 2023, [1:30:40] safety concerns relating to the deterioration of the wooden timbers of [1:30:44] the pan silver head frame have required the CHS to hold its meetings off site. [1:30:50] And whereas on July 21st, 2026, the CHS and Colan Coleman Township made a [1:30:54] delegation to council proposing solutions to resolve the outstanding [1:30:58] safety concerns at the site as set out in the delegation materials of that of [1:31:03] that date. And whereas the town of Cobalt wishes to confirm ownership and [1:31:08] reporting arrangements under which the work will proceed. Now [snorts] [1:31:12] therefore be resolved that the council of the town of Cobalt reaffirms it [1:31:16] reaffirms its commitment to work collaboratively with its heritage silver [1:31:20] trail partners to cobalt historical society and township of Coleman as [1:31:24] originally established in 1999. authorizes the Cobalt Historical Society [1:31:29] to act as project manager for the remediation and repair work at the Pan [1:31:34] Silverhead frame. Willard Grey Memorial Willard Willlet Green Memorial site such [1:31:41] authorization to remain subject to the ownership of the site remaining vest in [1:31:45] the town of Cobalt. Three stipulates that the Cobalt [1:31:49] Historic Society must obtain formal approval for all project expenditures [1:31:52] that exceed the available donated funds before any related work is permitted to [1:31:57] begin. Four, request that the Cobalt Historic Society report back to council [1:32:01] on progress expenditures any materials changes in scope of the project. Five, a [1:32:06] memorandum of understanding between the town co town of Cobalt historic town [1:32:12] cobalt historic society and Coleman Township setting out the term of this [1:32:15] authorization to be executed by the appropriate signing officers, the clerk [1:32:20] and the mayor be authorized to sign the memorandum of understanding. [1:32:25] » Thank you. Is that >> yes by seconded? [1:32:32] Okay start. Who else? >> Okay, thank you. [1:32:41] » I need a [laughter] [1:32:45] » Okay. Uh discussion on this. This was a draft motion. [1:32:53] Um it will it will go back to Kman Township as [1:32:59] well. Um, I already talked to the mayor about [1:33:03] that. So, that they will be just time wise. I think they're going to call a [1:33:09] special meeting just to go through it and make sure they're happy with it. Um, [1:33:16] early in September, the historical society will be having their next [1:33:19] meeting and I think they submitted a lot of this themselves or the first part of [1:33:25] it anyway. And so, all three entities after that by our next meeting our next [1:33:33] regular meeting should have if there's any small word changes here and there [1:33:38] that are needed. So is there any discussion or anything in there that [1:33:42] you're not comfortable with? >> Yes. [1:33:46] » There's a part that was uh they wanted to be the project manager. [1:33:51] » Yeah. >> Looking after the building is going to [1:33:54] be their responsibility. Oh, >> okay. So taking care of it. [1:33:58] » Yeah. And um you know we got to assure is [1:34:02] tonight that we have full support from McNo behind it which is really great. [1:34:07] And um what I caught from [1:34:12] uh the message that I got for their next meeting is that they will be finalizing [1:34:18] like we had said uh one thing I really stipulated and pushed was uh all these [1:34:25] people were saying individuals donating money [1:34:30] make sure you set up a fund that is allocated to the future of that [1:34:35] building. So when anything needs doing down the road, somewhere down the road, [1:34:40] it's going to need a roof. It's going to need repainting. So um just reading from [1:34:46] what's on the agenda for their next meeting, they will be finalizing and [1:34:51] setting up uh that fund as well at the historic site. That's where [1:34:57] um let's see there are Oh, I should explain [1:35:03] you guys. You weren't around way back then. [1:35:07] There's the historical society and the [1:35:13] historic corporation uh historic corporation [1:35:19] um was set up and has now been moved into the mining museum. So the [1:35:27] mining museum actually itself operates under that society and the funding for [1:35:33] all this um will go through them um because that way ano they can send uh [1:35:44] ano can send them a check and they can then send the tax rebate back to them [1:35:50] that kind of thing. So it's going through there. Um [1:35:55] but everyone all those all those groups are now finally for all these years [1:36:02] finally got together. Uh that was the plan back in the early '9s and uh we [1:36:10] stepped the plan stepped on a few people's territories in boards and stuff [1:36:16] like that and it never worked and it never worked and finally finally we have [1:36:21] a group of people in the mining museum in the historical group and now as well [1:36:28] in the cobalt shines group [1:36:33] » and Mr. getting getting the rack together and working together [1:36:39] finally. So any other discussions? Anything? Um [1:36:46] take another read through it to um because if we Yeah. Sorry. [1:36:52] » Did I not understand at last meeting that there was some talk or conversation [1:36:56] about town selling it to them? [1:37:02] There was there there was two choices. Um [1:37:07] » we looked at um [1:37:12] there were there was two ways to go and uh we looked at this as [1:37:20] they will be responsible for it but if it remains cobalt property [1:37:25] they're going to they will be one of the ones that will be paying a rent too. So [1:37:29] the building will they will have a lease on the building [1:37:32] the same as all the other tourism groups and [1:37:38] » they own the building. They'll also pay >> some taxes and water [1:37:44] they not >> they already they already pay their own [1:37:46] water sewer. [1:37:50] » No sewer comes under tax. They pay their own water. They pay their own hydro [1:37:54] there. Um, and if it's just being used for storage and [1:37:59] water, they may ask for it to be turned on. Yes, sir. [1:38:02] » What about insurance? >> Insurance on the property and the [1:38:05] building >> within insurance is will be dealt with [1:38:09] within those leases, but they are going to have to have insurance. [1:38:12] » All right. >> Yeah, [1:38:13] » they're going to have to have insurance on the on the [1:38:16] » on the contents and on what they're using. [1:38:21] So, uh, [snorts] but that's that's to be worked out. [1:38:26] Yeah. As we come up to the leases and everything. But, [1:38:31] yeah, it was deemed um in some of the discussions that it would [1:38:36] be better for the ownership to stay with the town. Um, we've got more control [1:38:41] then in case things go wrong. [1:38:48] Yeah. [1:38:52] I can't hear you. >> Okay. [1:38:57] » Okay. You you are you happy enough with that? [1:39:01] » Yeah. >> So, all in favor with this going ahead. [1:39:08] » One, two, against. Or is that a is that a yes? [1:39:13] That's a four. That's a four. Okay. [1:39:19] and [1:39:24] nine draft uh items for council information. [1:39:29] Draft motion. May it resolve that that council accept the items for council [1:39:35] information as presented. Moved by and seconded by and uh can I get a mover and [1:39:42] a second for sir? This is >> on nine. Yeah. [1:39:49] And welcome. [1:39:53] So, we've got uh 9.1 Cobalt Shines Committee minutes. Cobalt Shines is [1:40:01] for I think probably all of you sitting back there know it's a mix of [1:40:07] the historical board on there. uh some of the uh some of our community [1:40:17] businesses uh some of our museum people. It's quite [1:40:22] a mixture of people that are saying, "Okay, we want to do something." What [1:40:28] they're looking at is um helping out with the tree lighting and [1:40:35] working towards that at Christmas time and setting up uh a special evening [1:40:40] where businesses will be open and uh and they want to set up gradually work their [1:40:47] way into some sort of winter type festival and this is their start. This [1:40:53] group started back in 2018 I believe 2019. Um they managed it [1:41:02] one year so probably 2018 and then of course there was a threat of [1:41:08] co COVID as you got through to that timing when they were going to have the [1:41:12] stores open in 19. So they didn't do it and of course co now they're reuniting [1:41:18] again. So they've already done this once and um [1:41:23] so we have uh the June and July committee minutes [1:41:29] uh letter council which is a resolution to have the lighting ceremony on [1:41:34] November 27th uh which is when they'd like to have the [1:41:38] stores open and they will work with the group and um I think [1:41:46] I think this sound of it they will just gradually take over looking after the [1:41:50] lighting and they've come up with some some other they they so far they've got [1:41:56] a whole list of we could do this and this and this and this and this and [1:42:00] that's what they're looking at it in the future. So, we may not have um a summer [1:42:05] festival anymore, but maybe we're going to have a winter one. And what they're [1:42:10] thinking is there's lots of summer ones around here, but not many winter [1:42:14] festivals. They're some of the best [1:42:19] the best of the brains that I've seen in the up and coming for running things and [1:42:26] looking after tourism and everything. And then the Aqua uh second quarter [1:42:32] operations report. I'm sure you all read it, didn't you? [1:42:36] » Yeah. >> Okay. Um yes I have got I have gone [1:42:41] through it and found nothing in there that um this time [1:42:47] that was of concerns now 10 bylaws and agreements [1:42:55] » this is the one I say >> for the folks yes [1:42:58] » do a vote to accept that >> oh we have sorry I'm sorry okay all in [1:43:03] favor okay thank you [1:43:07] » there there is a letter from them asking that we coordinate tree lighting with uh [1:43:12] their light up night and I think we should probably address that at this [1:43:16] point. >> Yes. In accepting that are is everyone [1:43:22] acceptable to November 27th for doing the tree lighting this thing. [1:43:28] » Yes, I know. uh because that's the date they've chosen for it and they want to [1:43:36] help out and they want to go and get further donations [1:43:41] to have more lights and one of the suggestions I heard was they were [1:43:46] thinking of doing sort of standalone stuff out there as well all lighted up [1:43:52] like many towns like Science North has that kind of thing. So, uh are we all in [1:43:58] favor of this sir? [1:44:03] Yes. [1:44:07] » I don't know if you heard or are we in favor? [1:44:10] » Are you in [laughter] favor? >> Yeah, why not? [1:44:15] » Fair enough. Me, too. >> Okay, good. [laughter] [1:44:17] » Okay, we're finished with that. [snorts] >> Sorry. [1:44:23] » Okay, now on to the onto the happy happy one. [1:44:29] I don't know how many people guessed in the Well, I guess you've looked ahead, [1:44:32] haven't you? Yes. 10.1 bylaw 2026-24. [1:44:39] Clerk treasurer [1:44:43] twisted your arm enough. [laughter] Draft motion. Whereas at the special [1:44:48] meeting of council on August 12th, 2026, council directed staff to prepare the [1:44:53] necessary bylaw. Therefore, be it resolved that bylaw 2026-24 [1:45:00] being a bylaw to appoint Jamie Allen as clerk treasurer for the corporation of [1:45:04] the town of [snorts] Cobalt be taken as read a first, second, third, time and [1:45:10] fourth and fifth and sixth and finally passed this 18th day of August 2026 and [1:45:16] further that the said bylaw be signed and sealed by the mayor and clerk. Move [1:45:21] and seconded. Thank you. [1:45:26] Check [1:45:30] discussion. [1:45:33] Yes, councelor Wilcox. >> Thank you. You worship. Um I'm not going [1:45:38] to support this as presented uh for a few good reasons I think. Uh [1:45:47] particularly [snorts] article two remuneration. [1:45:51] Uh I and article three termination. Um [1:45:59] I note first of all in 2.01 item five benefits of the collective [1:46:04] agreement. I have no idea what that means. [1:46:08] Absolutely no idea. Um we have [1:46:13] » after all these years. >> Excuse me. [1:46:17] » Well facicious as that might have been. >> No. [1:46:20] » Oh yeah. really that was that was in poor taste. [1:46:27] » Anyway, uh the bylaw for for uh or well our [1:46:33] collective agreement uh pages 18 to 22 lists many of the benefits and you know [1:46:40] there's lots of benefits to a collective agreement with the union. I have no idea [1:46:45] which ones you're looking for. Uh [1:46:49] » she had referenced item two. That's what she means by that. [1:46:54] » Item two. >> Item two under salary [1:46:57] » in the collective agreement. >> No, in this by that's what she means by [1:47:02] benefit. >> Yes, I I see item [1:47:07] uh >> that's insurance benefit. That's what [1:47:11] she means. Well, the [snorts] the other benefits of [1:47:14] the collective agreement are the uh sick days, [1:47:22] right? Sick days that are benefit the same as the the unionized employees. [1:47:29] » Well, I would strongly suggest that that be itemized rather than just putting [1:47:37] benefits agreement because, you know, they have winter coats in here. There's [1:47:41] a benefit. They got summer coats. They got all kinds of things for some of the [1:47:46] guys. Uh you get into page 18. [1:47:51] Uh you know, you have life insurance benefits. [1:47:55] uh accidental death and dismemberment, all those good things, [1:48:00] dental care, vision, uh [1:48:05] sick benefits, long-term disability, uh bereavement leave, don't think [1:48:12] maternity leave applies. [1:48:16] Um there's a whole lot in here. So, I would think to pass that it should at [1:48:21] least specify what benefits you're looking for. [1:48:28] There's a $50 certificate for a Christmas turkey in there as a benefit. [1:48:37] » So, >> Well, that's my comment on that one. [1:48:39] » Um, question. Exactly where are you looking? [1:48:46] » Page five. H5 benefits [1:48:53] number five 2. [1:49:05] » Oh, benefits. Oh, okay. [1:49:10] » Yes. >> Oh, I'm sorry. You're split your time. [1:49:13] I'm sorry. >> Yes. [snorts] [1:49:15] » Thank you. >> Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. [1:49:17] » 2.0. 02. The employer shall pay the employee in accordance with the [1:49:20] municipal pay grid as established from time to time. The employee shall [1:49:24] commence employment as municipal ex administrator at and it's blank. So we [1:49:31] got no start date being signed signed here. Nor do we have an end date. [1:49:37] An end date is August 17th. >> I'm sorry. [1:49:42] » August 17th. Page four. [1:49:48] I didn't write this contract, so I'm just [1:49:52] » Yeah. 1.01 near the bottom of four [1:49:56] » August 17th. >> The end dates. [1:50:01] on the end date. He promises that he will give us plenty of leeway time in [1:50:08] order to find uh when he finally decides to rerire to to find a new manager and [1:50:15] to help train. [1:50:19] Well, that's all good and positive, but if we don't have an end date, then I [1:50:24] have trouble with the uh 3 01 brackets [1:50:32] I I termination without clause. Uh continuing the employees base salary [1:50:39] until the end of the term of the contract. We don't have an end of term [1:50:44] of contract. That's basically issuing a blank check. [1:50:50] So, can I speak? >> Yes. [1:50:52] » Is this Is he a contracted employee, though? He's an employee. [1:50:56] » He's not a union worker either, right? You're not in the union, right? [1:51:02] » No, it's not a union. That's why I have a problem with benefits of the [1:51:05] collective agreement. Why would why would that be in there? That's a union, [1:51:10] isn't it? >> I'm just curious. Maybe the wording. [1:51:17] Yeah, that's >> as I said, itemize what it is you're [1:51:20] looking for rather than citing this large document that's filled with other [1:51:25] benefits. >> Not part of the collective [1:51:28] not the collective agreement. That's what I'm saying. [1:51:31] » Part of I'm saying that's shouldn't be >> Exactly. [1:51:35] » Yes. >> Hughes, [1:51:37] » were we not paying him cash instead of in benefits and stuff on that contract? [1:51:42] Wasn't it just a a money number, not a benefit thing? [1:51:46] It was just money, right, that we were giving them. We weren't giving them [1:51:50] » pension. We weren't doing any of that stuff. [1:51:53] » In [1:51:57] what I thought it was, yeah. >> So, there's no benefits. It's just cash. [1:52:02] Correct. >> Yes. [1:52:04] » Yes. >> Yes. [1:52:07] » It's just a payment like money payment instead of benefits. [1:52:12] » Well, you should ought to know what that is. [1:52:14] » Well, he did have a number. There was a number in there. [1:52:17] » Mhm. >> What's the number? [1:52:19] » I don't know. 9,000 or something like that. Was it 9,000 something something? [1:52:23] » 10,000 44 44 422 >> 5,285 [1:52:30] » 440 a month. Yeah, that's probably private, right? [1:52:33] » Yes. Yeah. >> All of this remained private. [1:52:37] » Yeah. This is an open public meeting and this [1:52:42] is my first opportunity to ask uh unfortunately Jamie wasn't with us when [1:52:47] we looked at this in close session. So this is our first opportunity to ask [1:52:51] them about these things. My my other question was going to be [1:52:56] um your the one I was citing there, the notice [1:53:03] uh and dismissal without cause, termination without cause, would finding [1:53:10] another treasurer to fill the position uh in your mind be just cause [1:53:20] for you to leave us or [1:53:24] » well if you're hiring somebody full time no that wouldn't be justice. [1:53:30] » Are you still looking for a clerk treasurer or no? [1:53:32] » I would think we would be. How long do you plan on being here? [1:53:36] » I can't answer that. >> Like any other hired employee? [1:53:43] » I'm just I'm confused because you were retired. You came out of retirement to [1:53:47] help us which was great. >> Appreciate that. [1:53:51] And now he's And now he's accepting the job offer that we we were getting [1:53:58] applicants for and [clears throat] not finding the the appropriate one. And now [1:54:03] he's saying he's applied and we've accepted him. And that's what the [1:54:06] meeting was >> full-time employee [1:54:09] » as a full-time employee. [1:54:14] not coming on as a like like he was on contract [1:54:20] before. He's coming on as a full-time employee. Yes. [1:54:23] » It's taken us a long time to get through everything. Do you think we could have a [1:54:26] quick fiveminute recess? I'd like to use the washroom if possible. [1:54:30] » I think so. Yeah. >> Yeah. Perfect. [1:54:32] » Okay. Five minute recess. >> Thank you. [snorts] [1:54:42] » What about it? This isn't that. >> Are you sure? [1:54:46] » Oh, welcome. It's different. >> Okay. Thank you then. Sorry. Okay. Can [1:54:51] we go on and can we get this passed? [1:54:57] » Yes, sir. >> I would move that we defer this to the [1:55:00] next council in December [1:55:04] and that can get it properly written and described. I can't vote for this as it [1:55:09] is. Can we not get it done for next meeting? That's the way that it'll be. [1:55:14] » Okay, we have to He's moving. Um, >> yeah. And his contract will have run [1:55:20] away by then. So, excuse me. Um, he's so moved and Okay. So, you have a seconder [1:55:28] for that for deferring it into into December. [1:55:32] » I don't know. So, you would ask council [1:55:35] » when we would >> Yes. [1:55:37] when that would mean uh we would no longer we would have a meeting in [1:55:42] December and legally we have to have a manager. We would not have a manager [1:55:49] then because his contra his contract that we just had with him before would [1:55:54] have run out. >> As for seconder [1:55:57] » pass everybody. >> All in favor of deferring [1:56:02] » seconder. Get a second first. >> Yeah. Oh, you weren't seconding it. [1:56:06] » No. saying, >> are you seconding? Are you seconding, [1:56:09] councelor Ward? No. Okay, you have no seconder. [1:56:14] » Fails. >> Okay. So, can we continue on with this [1:56:17] mover and seconder and >> vote [1:56:20] » and vote? [1:56:24] Uh, excuse me. There's one. [1:56:32] Let me get down to it again. I movements. Sorry. [1:56:36] Okay. So, mover and seconder. I [snorts] have councelor Hughes and [1:56:41] councelor Staruk moved and seconded at first. All in favor of expecting. [1:56:48] » Yes. You may have a counted vote. Okay. So, we start around. Councelor Hughes. [1:56:53] » Yes. [clears throat] >> Councelor Star. [1:56:59] Councelor Ward. >> Opposed. Mhm. [1:57:05] and I'm four. Okay. And [1:57:13] we'll make sure everything's filled in properly. [1:57:18] So, >> can we go on to 10.2? [1:57:23] » What you mean by we'll make sure everything's filled in properly? [1:57:28] » We just approved it as is. >> Okay, we'll leave it at this. [1:57:35] as is property. >> Okay. [1:57:44] » Bylaw 2026-25 council meeting live streaming and [1:57:48] recording policy draft motion. Where is council received staff report [1:57:53] 2026.07.21.01 [1:57:57] at the July 21st 2026 regular meeting of council. and where is council directed [1:58:02] administration to continue live streaming and recording council meetings [1:58:06] and to develop and present a meeting live stream and recording policy. Now [1:58:11] therefore, be it resolved that bylaw 2025 [1:58:15] 202625 being a bylaw to adopt a council meeting, live streaming and recording [1:58:22] policy for the town of Kobalt be taken at first as read a first, second, and [1:58:26] third time this 18th December [1:58:31] and further that the said bylaw be signed and sealed by the mayor of clerk [1:58:36] and a mover and second or first. Okay. [1:58:40] Councelor Ward. Anyone else? [1:58:45] Seconder. Okay. Councelor Wilcox. [1:58:52] Okay. And has everyone read through the the [1:58:57] policy? [1:59:02] » Any discussions on it? [1:59:08] Okay. All in favor of this policy. [1:59:13] » Thank you. Carried. >> No. [1:59:16] » No. >> You're No. [1:59:17] » No. >> Okay. [1:59:18] » But I vote it just like the last time. >> Mhm. Okay. So, [1:59:38] okay. So, that one's [1:59:44] Jesus. [1:59:49] We're going to user fees next. Okay. [1:59:55] 10.3 bylaw 2026-26 to establish user fees for the town of [2:00:01] Koval for 2027 to 2029. Staff report 2026.08.18.05. [2:00:10] The draft draft motion. Whereas council council received staff report [2:00:17] 2026-.08.18.05. [2:00:22] Be it resolved that bylaw number 2026-26 being a bylaw to establish user fees for [2:00:28] the town of Kovalt be taken the first, second, and third time this 18th day of [2:00:33] 2026 and further that the said bylaw be signed and sealed by the mayor and [2:00:39] council or mayor and clerk, sorry. Moved by [2:00:46] use second. [2:00:52] Did you warm? >> Not a chance. [2:00:55] » Okay. >> Seconder on this. [2:01:02] » Yes. Okay. >> Discussion. [2:01:05] » Councelor Starchuk. Discussion. [2:01:12] Yes, >> I would move that we defer this to the [2:01:15] next council. You know, this is for the years 2027 to 2029. [2:01:20] I don't think in our last couple of meeting, well, our last meeting when [2:01:25] we're actually a council that we should be saddling a future council for three [2:01:31] years with this. I I think whoever's coming in to replace us can figure this [2:01:37] one out for themselves. [2:01:41] Mhm. Any other discussion? >> There would be a Do I have a seconder [2:01:45] for the motion to defer? >> I'll second. I'll second. [2:01:51] » A motion to defer and you're fighting over seconding. Okay. [2:01:57] All in favor of deferring favor. [2:02:01] » Okay. So, we will defer then. [2:02:08] Next council's going to be busy. >> Yes. Yes. [2:02:12] Because all of this would have passed on to next council to take a look at anyway [2:02:16] and to know. [2:02:20] Okay. [2:02:24] So, new business is the schedule of accounts over here [2:02:29] and uh 12.1 schedule of accounts draft motion. Be it resolved that council [2:02:35] receives the following schedules as presented. Schedule number 2026-08 [2:02:41] in the amount of 367,625.3. [2:02:47] Mover and seconder [2:02:51] taking a look at these. Okay. [2:02:55] » Gary and seconder. [2:03:00] » Okay. award. [2:03:03] » Couldn't see that. >> No, I know. [2:03:05] » It's already >> Okay. Is there anything on here you want [2:03:12] question? [2:03:20] [clears throat] >> I think we should I think we should [2:03:22] point out some of the the highlights here. the big the big so that the [2:03:26] audience anybody taxpayers that are listening understand the $367,000 [2:03:32] [laughter] right so because it's a little bit [2:03:34] higher normal [2:03:38] » you mean like when I go choke when I'm signing [2:03:41] » yeah counter signing yeah >> the high ones [2:03:44] » okay >> um [2:03:49] » okay uh 41,000 is our next payment for OP. [2:03:58] » Um, >> that's per month. [2:04:00] » H, >> that's every month. [2:04:02] » That's every month. >> Yes. Um, [2:04:07] the next one is uh, Aqua call outs and chemicals. [2:04:15] Every time an alarm goes off in in the water plant, someone's got to [2:04:21] come running from Aqua and check it out. and file reports as well and do whatever [2:04:27] has to be done depending on uh why an alarm went off. So um [2:04:34] » that's chemicals too. >> That's chemicals too. Yes. They uh this [2:04:39] time around they were buying more chemicals and [2:04:45] we have no choice. They have no choice. province dictates what chemicals we have [2:04:52] to use there. So, and we have to go along with it or [2:04:56] else our water supply is closed down. And the province could do that. They [2:05:02] could just say, "No, your water plant's no good." And [2:05:06] and we're all on bottled water. >> Those kind of things. So, next one down. [2:05:11] Where's another biggie? Dab. $18,596. [2:05:18] for August. Okay. [2:05:22] So, that's all the [2:05:26] ow the handicap payments. Uh our friends up in the Fraser and then our other two [2:05:32] buildings in town and around town payments to them. [2:05:37] Um and then there's Oh, [2:05:41] we got June policing services in here, too. So, we got [2:05:46] May [snorts] and June. That's That's what makes it higher. Yeah. May and June [2:05:50] payments in there. >> Still 41,000. [2:05:53] » Yeah, that's another $41,000. [clears throat] Um Oh, another big one. [2:05:59] 58,700. That's uh the paving. [2:06:05] Um 19 Prospect 80 Jameson and the laneway behind the uh [2:06:12] behind here behind the LCBO. Um those that's to Demora Construction [2:06:20] and those were things that were budgeted for getting the paving finished up. [2:06:27] Uh the other two [sighs] [2:06:31] » those pavings that would have been after after water breaks. [2:06:35] » Yeah. [2:06:38] » Thank you very much. That's good. >> Yeah, that's the main thing. [2:06:48] » Oh, and gee, we have to pay taxes too. Receiver General of Canada. [2:06:53] GST tax is 14,000. So um all in favor of accepting this [2:07:01] car. Thank you and [2:07:08] uh I think most of what I wanted to say before evening I've said on various [2:07:15] things so we don't need to be any later. Uh we [2:07:20] don't have a closed meeting. We don't have business arising from a closed [2:07:23] meeting. So confirmation by law is [2:07:36] one there. Okay. Yeah. Yep. Draft bylaw. Be it resolved that bylaw number 2026-27 [2:07:44] being a bylaw to confirm the proceedings of council of the corporation of the [2:07:48] town of Kovville be taken as read a first, second, and third time this 18th [2:07:53] day of August, 2026 and further that the said bylaw be signed and sealed by the [2:07:58] mayor and clerk. Uh mover and seconder. [2:08:03] Okay, councelor Ward and councelor Star. [2:08:10] All in favor? [clears throat] Thank you. Carried and [2:08:15] adjournment. Be it res be it resolved at the regular meeting of the council be [2:08:19] adjourned at >> 8:44. [2:08:22] » 8:44. Okay. [2:08:25] Mover and seconder. [2:08:29] Councelor Wilcox. And let me see down the item. Council [2:08:36] councelor Ward. Okay. All in favor? [2:08:41] Anyone from the audience that says no? Okay. Thank you very much.