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Good afternoon. We're about to begin now. Our council meeting

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of Thursday, August the 20th, and we'll start by standing

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for the playing of the National Anthem.

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Councillor Potts will now be reading the land acknowledgement. The

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town of Collingwood acknowledges that we are on the ancestral

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and traditional lands of many indigenous peoples. And Ish Navak

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Hadneshani went at Mayti, just a few of those who

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are Generacy sharing knowledge about the land. As well as

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the truths of our shared history. The Town also acknowledges

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that Collingwood is included as part of the Lake Simcoe,

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Naruto Saga Treaty of 1818. We seek to continue to

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learn, strengthen relationships in advanced truth and reconciliation through ongoing

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growth and meaningful engagement. First item, then we're going to

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deal with this afternoon in assist that the content of

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the Special Council Committee of the Hole Agenda for August

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2026 be adopted as amended. There's an addition of item

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11. 2 extending Go Train Service to Collingwood. Pardon me,

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go transit service to Collingwood. Could I have a mover

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in a second here, please? Councillor Baines, seconded by Councillor

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Ring, any other changes or comments, all those in favor.

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That's unanimous. Declarations of Code of Conduct or Pecuniary Interest,

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Deputy Mayor Fryer. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. Regarding

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item 7. 2. 2, The Heritage Application for 40 Sempalco

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Street. I have a Court of Conduct on Pecuniary Disqualifying

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Interest that due to my sister having ownership in the

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property. So I will sit back from the table on

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that one. Thank you. If anyone else finds themselves in

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a conflict position during the meeting, please declare it at

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that time. Item 5. 1, the recommendation is that the

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minutes of the Council Committee of the Whole Meeting held

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August 10, 2026, excluding Committee of the Whole Recommendations be

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approved as presented. Could have a mover in a seconder,

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please. Councillor Perry, seconded by Councillor McCulloch. Comments. Oh yes,

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go ahead. Just Reese's. Thank you, Marianne. Just with respect

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to the physician recruitment incentive, one of the things we

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heard at Amo that, excuse me, I don't think we're

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there yet. That's 5'3 ", I'm doing 5'1 ". I

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was just doing the recommendation of 5. 1, jumped down.

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Sorry, but you're just ahead of the curve. Okay, so

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on 5. 1, we're going to have a vote. All

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those in favor, and that's unanimous. Thank you. Is there

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any business arising from the previous minutes of Council. Seeing

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none, 5. 3. 3. The recommendation is that the Committee

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of the whole recommendations from its meeting held August 10,

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2026. By hereby approved, Be Hereby approved as presented. There's

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three items. C2026 - 11 efforts and initiatives supporting those

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experiencing homelessness. CCS 2026 - 08 - 2027, physician recruitment

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incentive, and reports, minutes of other committees and boards. Could

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I have a mover in a seconder, please? Councillor Potts,

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seconded by Councillor Baines. Did you want to comment? Go

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ahead. Thank you, Marion Hamlin. So with respect to the

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physician recruitment incentive, um, that we've voted on. It was

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announced at the Mo Conference that there was going to

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be another round of support for recruitment within the family

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teams in Ontario for doctors. And I'm just wondering about

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if there has to be an amendment going forward with

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respect to the MOU that we do with a doctor's.

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If the, if it's a concern for us in double

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dipping, if that family team in particular does get funding

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to recruit from the provincial provincial government or not. I'm

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not asking that it be considered or put into the

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mix of the development of the MOU, but I'm assuming

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that would be a process that would come forward in

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the future. Uh, I'm going to ask Staff Tancers, because

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I'm not aware of an MOU. So, uh, Click Thomas,

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do you have any idea or, yeah, go ahead. Um,

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through the chair, I think that's a good heads -

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up comment that we could keep in mind when we're

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preparing the MOUs. Certainly if it was necessary to act

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now to get a physician to come to Collingwood, that

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seemed like a really good fit for our community. We'd

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pending Council's finalization of this vote, want to be able

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to act. But if there was an opportunity to streamline

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the costs, um, have one entity pay, for example, The

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Province through the Provincial Health team, as opposed to the

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municipal council, we certainly prefer that option as it is

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funding that's marked for health care. Um, there may be

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some situations, and I don't know because I haven't seen

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what mate come through the family health teams where, um,

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a doctor may be eligible for both. And it's not

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easy to deal with that through the MOU, but I

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would be happy to keep our heads up as we

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saw that on Fold and to keep it into account

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if we could avoid that in the MOU. Yeah. Yeah.

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Thank you. I appreciate that. Yep. Thank you. Okay. With

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that, any other comments, all those in favor, and that's

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unanimous. Uh, The Consent Agenda, um, The Recommendation is the

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Council Receive It, and further that the information and opinions

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provided in the General Consent Agenda items are those of

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the authors and are not verified or approved as being

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correct. Uh, 6. 1 expression of interest joined the Alliance

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and swim the swimmable cities charter. Um. So can I

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get a mover in a seconder for this, please Councillor

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Baines. Uh, Councillor Jeffrey. I'll just speak to this briefly

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as I've had that just put on the agenda. What

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it is, um, it's the Great Lakes Cities Initiative. And

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they have different discussions at the annual meeting about supporting

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different initiatives. Uh, that often end in opportunities for municipalities

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like ours to apply for grants, which we have. Um,

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and this organisation is comprised of the mayors of the

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cities on the Great Lakes who have joined. There's a

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few hundred. So this initiative is to, uh, say that

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we would be interested in joining the alliance they're creating,

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uh, to acknowledge that swimmable cities, uh, is a great

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initiative to encourage not only recreation, but environmental protection, protection

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of our waterfront and all the good things that being

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on one of the largest freshwater bodies in the world

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gives to us. Um, so I just brought this forward

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wanting to, I'm sure the opposition, but I'll just, uh,

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maybe just ask for a show of hands if everyone

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thinks this is a good idea. And that's awesome. Okay.

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Thank you. Maybe we should just do that as amendment.

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So I'll do an image of emotions to receive it.

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And that council supports. Okay. Good advice. Okay. So, uh,

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we will, uh, say on this item, uh, a recommendation

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that Council received this and that they, uh, approved the

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signing of the charter. Okay. All those in favor. Oh,

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I need a mover in a second. Can I use

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the same one. Same ones? Yeah. Yep. They're happy. Okay.

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All those in favor. Okay. Thank you unanimous. And the

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motion as amended all those in favor. And that's also

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unanimous. Thank you, clerk on us. Uh, so we're moving

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now at breakneck speed into the committee of the whole,

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uh, should we change spots here, Deputy Mayor. What's your.

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Motion to move in tech committee of the world? And

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then after we do that motion and it gets weak.

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Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. So then let's do the

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motion that Council move into the committee of the whole

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session. And, uh, that's moved by Councillor Doherty and seconded

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by Councillor Ring, all those in favor unanimous. Thank you.

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And I'm now going to turn over to our new

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chair of the Committee of the Hall. Thank you Councillor

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Baines. 7. 211. DGS

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2026 - 07 outdoor rink. Roof project update and decisions

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re - additional costs. Call upon Director Cubit. Thank you,

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Chair Baines. Uh, today's report provides an update on the

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outdoor rink roof project. Uh, it outlines the background contributing

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to the additional funding request and presents opportunities to complete

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infrastructure improvements now that would be more costly and disruptive

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to address in the future. Um, while we've worked to

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respond to evolving site conditions and project requirements, we also

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acknowledge there are lessons to be learned. And we're committed

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to strengthening our project planning, design review and capital delivery

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processes to help reduce the likelihood of similar challenges on

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future projects. Despite these challenges, we remain excited about the

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project in the long - term benefits it will provide,

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including a longer skating season, uh, expanded recreational programming opportunities

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and enhanced year - round use of this asset. And

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with that, I will turn it over to Manager McNulty

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to walk us through the project update and recommendations. Good

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afternoon Mayor Deputy Mayor Council and the Public. This will

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be an update on the outdoor roof rank project. And

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you can go to the next slide, please.

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This presentation will cover, uh, a review of the scope

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of the project. The Current Status of the Project. Items

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that our project completion requirements that are already in play.

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Optional operational in site infructure enhancements. And some future opportunities.

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Next slide, please. So going back to the original

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intention of the project, um, The primary rationale for installing

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a roof over calling with central park outdoor rink. Was

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to extend and maximize the uses of facility throughout the

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year. Some of the key benefits included ending extending the

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ice season by protecting the ink from snow rain and

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milder weather conditions. Allowing skating and hockey to continue longer

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in the winter. By providing year round functionality for activities

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such as pickleball basketball roller skating recreational skating, figure skating

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and community programming. By increasing operating hours and facility utilization,

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helping the town get more value from an existing recreational

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asset. And to reduce pressure on the indoor rinks by

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creating more reliable outdoor venue. Next slide.

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The project was originally approved in the 2025 capital budget

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cycle, uh, 1. 93 million dollars. Subsequent to that. The

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town was successful in getting 980, 600 dollars in funding

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from the community sport and recreation infrastructure fund. The criteria

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to obtain that funding in the, uh, transfer payment agreement

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is that the project is complete by December 31st, 26.

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Doing construction. Doing, doing the project, um, challenges, um, requiring

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changes in the design to meet, uh, permitting requirements and

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to adapt to site conditions. Uh, once construction started. We

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encountered higher than anticipated groundwater levels. Um, and existing underground

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utilities that went, uh, previously documented. Some of the opportunities

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include the addition of water management, the site drainage infrastructure.

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acoustic improvements. And, uh, operations such as preparation for a

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public address system and a time clock, for instance. Next

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slide. These are the, uh, elevations of the, uh.

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Of the building as it's designed and has, as it's

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been delivered to site. Um, essentially it's a, uh, rectangle

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pre - engineered steel building. Uh, slightly larger than the

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outdoor rink. With a canopy on the east side that

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is, uh, protected area for gathering. Next slide.

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Here are some photos from April 15th of this year.

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And at this point the contractor had mobilised a site

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and had started to excavate for foundations. This was after

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a significant rainfall, but it does highlight the areas where

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water ponds and central parks. The ball diamond shown in

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the top two pictures. Regularly gets, uh, flooded after a

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significant rainfall to the point where it has to be

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taken out of service for two or three days until

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it dries out. And so it delays the baseball programming.

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The bottom left photo. You can see where the groundwater

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is essentially at grade. And, um, there is no frost

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in the ground at this point. And so it's the

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water slowly, um, seeps away, um, but it takes several

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days. And the lore picture on the right. Is next

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to the, uh, washroom building, which is the primary access

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to the outdoor rink. And this is right where the

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canopy over, uh, on the east side of the outdoor

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rink. Well, um, share it's roof water. And so that

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issue will just get worse. Uh, going forward. Next slide.

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So there was a, uh, geotechnical investigation conducted in July

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of 2024. It did not adequately reflect. The conditions that

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we found in April and May of 2026. Um. The

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solution, the solution that was implemented was to change the

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deep concrete foundations to a combination of steel piles and

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concrete foundations. So top left picture is an example of

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helical piles. That are, um, drilled in. It's actually a

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combination of, of helical piles and driven steel piles that

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extend down to bedrock. And then those form the base

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for the concrete foundations. You can also see in these

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pictures, uh, some of the utilities that needed to be

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worked around. And the bottom centre, that's a sewer line.

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mid June. And you can still see the impact of

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groundwater, uh, in the excavations. And so the process was

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to install the steel piles or a mud slab in

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a dewatered excavation. And then build the reinforcing mat on

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top of. So just as further illustration. Uh, on the

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left was the original concrete foundation design that would have

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been eight feet deep. Sorry. Next slide. On the left

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is the original concrete foundation that would have been eight

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feet deep. On the right, the foundations. And at the

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concrete foundations are now just down to fast level and

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the steel piles support the foundations. Next slide.

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And so on the top left there, you can see

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a couple of the piles with pile caps on them.

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Bottom left. Those pile caps become an integral part of

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the reinforcing steel within the footing and foundation. And then

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on the right, you can see some finished foundations. This

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picture was August 10th. And so at this point, all

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of the foundations are complete. And insulation and backfilling of

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the foundations is in progress. So you can start to

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see now the footprint of the roof structure over the

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existing ring. And where the roof canopy will be next

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to the washroom building at the lower of the site

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of the picture. Later we'll talk about

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the potential for the installation of. Storm sewers directly around

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the roof structure. And at the top of that picture

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between the foundations and the lawn bowling club, there is

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a metre wide carder there. The storm sewer would need

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to traverse. And the same on the south side next

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to the bull diamond. It's a very tight area to

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be able to, uh, work in. And all of these

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areas are fought with underground utilities, most of which we

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know where they are now. Next slide, please. This schedule

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was updated. August 17th by the contractor. Um, we're still

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showing a completion date. Of December 1st, 2026. But notably

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there's no. There's no room to insert things into this

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schedule at this point. Um, we can overlap other activities

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in it. But. Adding time to the schedule would push

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its past our limit of completing by the end of

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the year. Next slide. So

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part A. In the report is project completion requirements. These

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are items that, um, evolved during the detailed design process.

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Uh, that required changes to the building. For permitting to

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adapt a site conditions. Um. And some of them resulted

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in a claim from the building supplier. Uh, for additional

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costs that were not made known back when the changes

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were made. So some of these changes included in this

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spend of up to 510, 000 dollars. Because. All of

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these costs are subject to negotiation with the contractor at

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this point. And so. Um, we haven't provided a detailed

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list in the public staff report because we don't really

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want to show our position. However, uh, in summary, they

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include the posttender changes to the design. Some underground utility

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relocation. Adjustment of the perimeter slab on grade to meet

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the building footprint. And adapt to the existing grade. The

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addition of ventilated ridge cap, um. Provide some natural ventilation

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to remove humidity. And we'll have ongoing contract administration costs.

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Next slide. B is operational in site infrastructure enhancements. And

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again, that's up to 360, 000 dollars because again, these

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items are still out of stage of negotiation. Should we

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have funding to proceed. Um. They include local drainage infrastructure.

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Um, and on the figure on the left, uh, as

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I mentioned on the aerial photograph. We propose a storm

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sewer to be installed now along the west side of

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the new structure and the so - side of the

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new structure that would be connected to a future, um.

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Extension to that and an outlet to the Minnesota drain.

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Uh, we also propose the addition of eve troughs and

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downspouts. Acoustic insulation is something that. Um.

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We know from talking to other. Uh, communities that have,

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um, essentially the same move structure over their outdoor rinks

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is that, um, are in event, for instance, there is,

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uh, significant amount of noise within the building. Also from

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the noise from inside, even from, uh, playing hockey and

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Puck's hitting the boards and so forth. We have some

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complaints now, uh, from the community about that noise as

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it gets into the evening. But also in the event

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of expanded uses of the facility, what we're building here

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is essentially a big speaker. And so if you were

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to put something like a DJ in there, that noise

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from the facility could have a real impact on the

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community. Bird mitigation, um, is also. Um,

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something that other communities have tried to deal with. Essentially

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what this is proposed is netting underneath all of the

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structure to remove the places where birds would want to

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roost under the roof structure. The addition of some exterior

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security lighting and preparation for future videos. Security systems. And

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as I mentioned before, uh, often for a future time

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clock on Public addresses. Next slide.

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Um, this is an illustration of what the future drainage

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system and the outlet to the Minnesota drain would look

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like. We have proposed that, um, depending what happens with

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the drainage around the rink. We were proposed to include

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this for consideration in the 2027 capital budget at a

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cost of 200, 000 dollars. Next slide.

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So the roof as designed is, uh. Is.

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Classified as group A division three non - sprinkler facing

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two streets when it's over 1500 square metres. The allowable

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uses for that. Um, are sporting events. So hockey, uh,

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skating basketball across ball hockey pickleball. Essentially anything where the

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participants using the ice surface for sporting event. What's not

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permissible under that classification. Our assembly type uses. So the

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likes of a yard sale, a trade show, a community

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barbecue, a graduation ceremony. Uh, a celebration of life. Or

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any place where you would put tables and chairs on

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the A surface with the intent of an assembly. In

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the future. Uh, research is that. The sprinkler and fire

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alarm system in the curling club, it is feasible to

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extend that to the outdoor rink. At a cost of

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up to 260, 000 dollars. That would allow for subject

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to approval that would allow for, uh, change in the

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classification of the building. That would allow these other uses

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to take place. Next slide. So

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in summary. Um, when addressing council with these considerations at

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this time so that we can maintain construction progress have

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budget available to deliver a good project. And ensure that

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we can collect the CSRIF funding. As I mentioned in

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the beginning, the project was originally approved by Council for

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1. 93 million dollars. These additional funds proposed. Would take

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the total to 1, 929, 000 dollars. So just under

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the original approved amount. So when. We transition from the

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2025 budget to the 2026 budget, The amount that was

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carried over, the funding that was carried over from DC

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reserves was reduced by the amount of the CSRIF funding.

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So that's why we're back here today.

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With approved budget. Staff would be able to proceed with

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the project as due acted. And would continue to assess

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emerging issues and evaluate the individual project requirements as we

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go to balance the project completion date. With the long

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- term facility functionality and financial sustainability.

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And I'll just reiterate that the. Enhancement opportunities that we've

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proposed will only proceed. Upon acceptable negotiated pricing for the

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work with the existing contractor. Um, because we're in that

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stage where the competitive bidding is over. So now what

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we do is we define a scope. We get the

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contract due to price it. We do an engineering evaluation

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of that pricing. And if it's acceptable, we can move

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forward. Otherwise it's off the table. And next slide.

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That's my presentation. Thank you manager McNulty and Director Qubit

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for that presentation. Prior to reading in the Staff recommendation.

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I'd like to call upon anyone in the gallery that

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might wish to make a comment. If you do, you

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have to provide your name and your address. Is there

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anyone in the gallery that wishes to comment. Clerk almost

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anyone on Bonline. Thank you, Chair Baines. Yes, we do

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have participants online. If you would like to address the

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committee regarding the Staff report, please press erase your hand

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feature at the bottom of your screen. And no interest

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at this time. Thank you. I read in this Staff

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recommendation. That Staff Report CCS 2026 - 7 outdoor rink

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roof project update and decisions re - additional costs. They

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received. And that Council authorized the use of up to

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702, 842 dollars from the outdoor recreation services development charge

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reserve fund to address outdoor rink roof project completion requirements.

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Site infrastructure improvements drainage works, utility relocations, and other project

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related enhancements identified during construction. Do I have a mover

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of this. Director McCulloch, seconded by the mayor, comments from

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Council or Committee members. Councillor Ring. I'll try to be

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quick, but I do have quite a few concerns. Um,

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I'll start with Geset through you, uh, Chair Baines to,

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um, the manager, um, site - specific conditions emerged is

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one of the reasons why we're going to have a

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higher anticipated, um, with, with the groundwater. Why would we

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not know what the groundwater level is? It wasn't long

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ago we put that ice service in. We would have

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to excavate that for the piping for the refrigeration. Were

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we not run into the water in a lot more

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excavating than we're doing now? Why would we not realise

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that there's, there was an issue with groundwater there. Prior

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to now. Through the chair.

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Geotechnical report that was conducted in 2024. And to back

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up, you were correct. I was around when the rink

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was built. And those excavations weren't, uh, as deep in

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any regard as any of this. So secondly, there are

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already subduing subduingage systems in the east side of the

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rink that we're there for the ball fields, which may

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have helped the situation. And thirdly, it was a different

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time of year. What the geotechnical report that was completed

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in July of 2024 for this project specifically. It identified.

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Groundwater conditions that would need to be dealt with. But

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nothing like was encountered in April and May of. 2026.

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It made a suggestion. That a. Major

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dewatering effort. Could be carried out. But the final recommendation

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said that if you know, paraphrase, but if you dig

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the excavations one by one and you dewater them locally

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and build them one by one, then you should be

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able to manage the water with local pumping. That's what

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the contractor priced was based on that statement. And so,

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um. Perhaps if we were at that stage of construction

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in July or August. Maybe the groundwater would have, uh,

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receded, but in the spring of the year and in

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order to maintain the project schedule, the decision was made

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to change the foundations to be able to keep the

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project on track. Thank you for me. Follow up. Uh,

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another concern I have is, and I'm sure you just

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did, but I just wondering, um, prior to designing the

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structure itself, um, you've, we've got one of the reasons

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for, uh, the higher than usual expected costs, uh, underground

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services. But we know the washroom there. We know that

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the lawn bowlings there. Would we not have taken locates

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before the design or at least before we started excavating

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to know where everything was? It seems like in the

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report, we just kind of started digging and we're surprised

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that they were there. Am I wrong with that assumption.

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Through you to manager McAllenie? Sue the chair. Um, uh.

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There were locate done ahead of start the dick. It

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turned out they were incomplete. But the park in general

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is a legacy park. That's had all kinds of different

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buildings and stuff on it. And, um. For instance,

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we knew roughly where the sewer from the Washroom building

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was. Just because of. Assumption more or less. But when

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it was located, we're 15 feet off from where it

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was. The water line that feeds the washroom building. It's

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not trace. It doesn't have a trace wire. The only

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way we know roughly where it is is because of

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old hand sketches, the previous parks, employees had made. There's

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a new electrical service that I believe was installed to

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the lawn bowling club. I believe it was installed when.

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Uh, The Oak Doy Ink was built by the look

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of it and where it is. That wasn't located anywhere

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on any draw. In half of the excavations. And there's

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30 plus of them. And at least half the excavations.

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We discovered abandoned piping. Some of it life, some of

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it dead. Some of them we don't know what it

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was. Um, also at the south end and to the

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eight, so to the west of the washroom building, that's

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the hub for the whole park irrigation, Esther. And it's

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not on drawings anywhere. It's been installed over the years.

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And. Some of it is locatable. Some of it isn't.

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Very bad. I have that bug if other people time

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this one here was kind of concerning too, because to

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me, it could have been planned in the original. Um,

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cost of, of the, the, uh, The project before and

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not trying to pay for it now after the fact.

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And that is the, uh, the drainage infrastructure and to

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support future park wide water management improvements. Um, I just

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wonder why it wasn't considered at the start because that

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was something that we knew about headed time. Why would

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we not kind of work that into the cost the

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original cost when we, when we approve the project, why

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would we want to do it now that we're halfway

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done. Sue the chair, we had a design for that

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back as far as 2010. And it was never installed.

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And I can't speak to why. Um, it's certainly could

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have and should have been recognised when we were going

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to build this building with the bank. So for me,

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just it was just overlooked or you have, you'd really

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00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,379
don't know why we didn't include it in the UNSO

471
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,273
caused. Or the, I would say it was overlooked. Thank

472
00:44:33,273 --> 00:44:36,393
you. I believe I saw Councillor Doherty next and then

473
00:44:36,414 --> 00:44:46,381
Councillor Potts. Go ahead, Councillor Doherty. You're unmute.

474
00:44:46,381 --> 00:44:50,921
Oh, there you unmuted. Okay. Uh, thank you, Chair. Uh,

475
00:44:50,962 --> 00:44:56,701
Council Ring has, uh, a couple of the questions that

476
00:44:57,362 --> 00:45:01,501
I had, uh, with regard to, uh, what we knew

477
00:45:01,762 --> 00:45:05,821
and what we didn't know, uh, when we originally tendered,

478
00:45:05,821 --> 00:45:12,381
uh, this project, um, and I'm just wondering, it just

479
00:45:12,381 --> 00:45:19,450
leads me to say that I think we need. Not,

480
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:22,650
not just for this project, not just for this department,

481
00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:28,550
but for all departments, there must be another process, uh,

482
00:45:28,751 --> 00:45:34,570
under which we can, uh, analyse and submit request for

483
00:45:34,831 --> 00:45:40,490
interest requests for quotations so that we are not coming

484
00:45:40,591 --> 00:45:48,170
around to situations like this where unanticipated costs, uh, have

485
00:45:48,511 --> 00:45:52,810
arisen that, you know, in a perfect world, uh, we

486
00:45:53,071 --> 00:45:56,638
should have known. So is that a question or are

487
00:45:56,638 --> 00:45:59,918
you directing that? Well, ultimately, I think it will be

488
00:46:00,259 --> 00:46:03,278
a question to the CAO if this is something that

489
00:46:03,318 --> 00:46:06,478
we can take a look at, you know, as a

490
00:46:06,518 --> 00:46:15,437
system issue. Uh, for the municipality. Um, but, uh, further

491
00:46:15,458 --> 00:46:21,886
to that, um. I, now that we are a little

492
00:46:22,067 --> 00:46:28,766
closer to, uh, identifying a location for a multi -

493
00:46:28,766 --> 00:46:36,911
use recreation facility, I really have a hard time. Justifying

494
00:46:40,052 --> 00:46:44,591
any enhancement to this project. In fact, I think it's

495
00:46:44,692 --> 00:46:49,231
unfortunate that, uh, this very generous funding that we received

496
00:46:49,231 --> 00:46:54,751
from the province, uh, could not have been, uh, put

497
00:46:54,852 --> 00:47:00,991
into a reserve and, and perhaps used, uh, ultimate multi

498
00:47:01,012 --> 00:47:05,471
- use recreation facility, you know, but here we are,

499
00:47:05,471 --> 00:47:10,831
um, we have a commitment, we have a deadline. So,

500
00:47:10,831 --> 00:47:16,911
uh, I guess I have no recourse, but to support.

501
00:47:17,419 --> 00:47:22,278
The costs that will allow us to complete by the

502
00:47:22,299 --> 00:47:28,753
deadline and take advantage of the provincial funding. Uh, but

503
00:47:28,793 --> 00:47:32,833
I certainly will not support, uh, any of the recommended

504
00:47:33,174 --> 00:47:40,017
enhancements. And then I also have a question. Uh, and

505
00:47:40,278 --> 00:47:45,697
through you to manage your McNulty, uh, is it possible

506
00:47:46,998 --> 00:47:52,299
for, uh, solar panels. To be installed on this structure

507
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,639
so that at least we could recoup some cost, um,

508
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,639
through a feeding tariff, uh, that we could actually, uh,

509
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:12,459
power generated from solar panels to, uh, actually power all

510
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,019
or part of, uh, The electrical requirements for this, this,

511
00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:20,996
uh, this facility. Thank you. Manager McNulty, do you want

512
00:48:20,996 --> 00:48:26,038
to handle that. Yes. Thank you through the chair. Um,

513
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:31,498
there is a, um, an allowance in the structural design

514
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:41,194
for solar panels on the root for the structure. There

515
00:48:41,234 --> 00:48:47,862
are. Different ways that solar panels could be installed on

516
00:48:47,902 --> 00:48:53,753
the roof. Um, one being that the solar panel's lay

517
00:48:53,753 --> 00:48:56,793
flat on the roof or at a slight angle to

518
00:48:56,833 --> 00:49:03,093
take advantage of the, uh, angle of the sun. The

519
00:49:03,093 --> 00:49:07,617
second would be to install a backing system. On the

520
00:49:07,657 --> 00:49:12,977
roof that would totally optimize the angle of the solar

521
00:49:13,017 --> 00:49:19,132
panels. What's included for in the design is the installation

522
00:49:19,132 --> 00:49:26,418
of solar panels on the roof. Not necessarily laying flat.

523
00:49:26,816 --> 00:49:31,435
But not on a racking system. But laying on the

524
00:49:31,456 --> 00:49:36,718
roof at a slight angle. So that's what's included in

525
00:49:36,758 --> 00:49:44,940
the design. We have to consider that anything else that

526
00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:49,487
we would add to the structure. Say like us sprinkler

527
00:49:49,527 --> 00:49:53,822
system in the future. Could take some of that capacity

528
00:49:53,923 --> 00:50:00,479
away. For solar panels. But the proportion that a sprinkler

529
00:50:00,479 --> 00:50:05,639
system would take away would be very small compared to

530
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:09,439
the design factor that was included in the structural design

531
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:15,303
for Soway. Um, anything further, Councillor Doherty.

532
00:50:21,632 --> 00:50:26,491
This, uh, it's another conversation that, um, I would actually

533
00:50:26,512 --> 00:50:31,211
like to take from here, um, not a decision that

534
00:50:31,251 --> 00:50:37,190
we can make today, uh, but, um. It would be

535
00:50:38,171 --> 00:50:43,750
nice to know if it were possible to install solar

536
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:49,789
panels. What the cost benefit would be, because it sounds

537
00:50:49,810 --> 00:50:54,269
to me like that would be also an additional cost.

538
00:50:54,269 --> 00:50:59,469
But if, uh, we're capable of powering, say, just this

539
00:50:59,570 --> 00:51:05,149
facility, or if it were actually capable of powering some

540
00:51:05,170 --> 00:51:10,669
other aspects, uh, or facilities within the park, um, that

541
00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:14,684
could help us to make that decision. To assist in

542
00:51:16,945 --> 00:51:23,324
adding solar panels. But this would be a request that

543
00:51:23,345 --> 00:51:27,164
I, uh, would have to make outside of this particular

544
00:51:27,905 --> 00:51:35,896
conversation. And I will. Thank you. So, so the chair,

545
00:51:35,896 --> 00:51:40,536
I can respond partly to that is that, um, Sue

546
00:51:40,557 --> 00:51:44,856
Greenhouse gas emission reduction study. We have a full analysis

547
00:51:45,197 --> 00:51:49,416
of, uh, The solar panels that could be installed on

548
00:51:49,416 --> 00:51:54,972
the roof in different scenarios. And the amount of power

549
00:51:54,993 --> 00:51:59,212
that could be generated. And from there, you can take

550
00:51:59,252 --> 00:52:03,212
it as far as you want. The one project that

551
00:52:03,252 --> 00:52:07,772
we have in the budget that's awaiting an application for

552
00:52:07,873 --> 00:52:14,252
grant funding has been, and I'm actually this, that, that

553
00:52:14,273 --> 00:52:17,912
stream of grant funding, I think has disappeared now, but

554
00:52:18,593 --> 00:52:22,782
it's likely to be replaced with another one. Um, but

555
00:52:22,883 --> 00:52:27,822
in the budget, there's a proposed 10 million dollar project

556
00:52:28,243 --> 00:52:34,752
that would be 80 percent funded by grants. That would

557
00:52:34,792 --> 00:52:43,618
look at all of the facilities in central park. Including

558
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,338
the arena, the ball diamonds, the curling club, potentially the

559
00:52:48,439 --> 00:52:53,649
why as a partner to be able to. Optimize all

560
00:52:53,689 --> 00:53:00,933
of those facilities with regards to greenhouse gas emissions. And

561
00:53:01,754 --> 00:53:05,493
get as much as a 50 percent reduction in greenhouse

562
00:53:05,754 --> 00:53:09,173
gas emissions from the park as a whole. So we

563
00:53:09,213 --> 00:53:13,013
do have that analysis. I don't have a, uh, with

564
00:53:13,013 --> 00:53:17,291
me. Thank you, manager McNulty. That is the Councillor Doherty

565
00:53:17,312 --> 00:53:20,011
said that's probably a discussion for another day. We've really

566
00:53:20,011 --> 00:53:23,371
got to focus on what we are discussing here today.

567
00:53:23,371 --> 00:53:25,211
CAO, did you wish to make a comment at all

568
00:53:25,232 --> 00:53:29,411
in regard to Councillor Doherty's comment about lessons learned, I

569
00:53:29,411 --> 00:53:33,291
suppose you'd say about utilities going forward. Thank you. Yes.

570
00:53:33,472 --> 00:53:39,051
I would, um, as a Director Qubit mentioned in her

571
00:53:39,072 --> 00:53:43,451
opening, um, uh, for this item, I think we have

572
00:53:43,552 --> 00:53:46,811
learned a few things that we would do differently moving

573
00:53:46,912 --> 00:53:49,371
forward if we were to start this project again from

574
00:53:49,472 --> 00:53:54,251
a bidding perspective, the contract management perspective. And, uh, we

575
00:53:54,251 --> 00:53:57,531
do have inflate as well. A fleet and facility service

576
00:53:57,571 --> 00:54:01,531
review. And I think this is one where we've had,

577
00:54:01,531 --> 00:54:05,851
uh, one department, uh, started facilities project. And now it's

578
00:54:05,891 --> 00:54:08,891
moved into another department. And I think looking at our

579
00:54:09,472 --> 00:54:13,211
fleet and facilities and in this case, facilities expertise moving

580
00:54:13,232 --> 00:54:18,251
forward is important as well. So, uh, yes, we will

581
00:54:18,291 --> 00:54:22,571
be, um, looking at and addressing a number of systematic

582
00:54:22,611 --> 00:54:25,531
things that I think could have at least alerted us

583
00:54:25,632 --> 00:54:28,251
earlier to some of the challenges that arose during this

584
00:54:28,352 --> 00:54:34,284
project. And hopefully even prior to bidding. Councillor Potts. Thanks,

585
00:54:34,284 --> 00:54:38,404
uh, Chair Beans. Um, I have a couple of comments,

586
00:54:38,404 --> 00:54:41,204
not necessarily questions, but, uh, I'll start off by saying

587
00:54:41,204 --> 00:54:45,364
that I'm, I'm actually with all due respect, extremely disappointed

588
00:54:45,385 --> 00:54:49,679
with this. And when we hear the discussions of lessons

589
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:55,759
learned and the lessons learned, unfortunately at the cost of

590
00:54:55,780 --> 00:54:59,359
the, to the taxpayer, the two to 700, 000 to

591
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:04,516
me is not acceptable. And I look at, um, when

592
00:55:04,556 --> 00:55:07,316
we talked initially, but this project, it was very clear

593
00:55:07,577 --> 00:55:12,457
what the key benefits were. And they were discussed initially.

594
00:55:12,457 --> 00:55:16,137
And, um, we see here from the presentation that the

595
00:55:16,238 --> 00:55:21,969
photos are April 15th with groundwater. And it was discussed

596
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:25,329
and asked publicly here at whether it was through Community

597
00:55:25,350 --> 00:55:28,269
or Council, I believe in other business item a few

598
00:55:28,269 --> 00:55:32,449
months back. Can't quite remember the date. And there might've

599
00:55:32,489 --> 00:55:35,089
been some groundwater concerns, but there was certainly nothing of

600
00:55:35,129 --> 00:55:39,089
the nature of 700, 000 dollar overrun So to me

601
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,809
when I look at this, I look at this as,

602
00:55:41,809 --> 00:55:45,889
uh, we're now getting into the end of August. We're

603
00:55:45,889 --> 00:55:49,169
expected to make a decision that the 11th hour on

604
00:55:49,209 --> 00:55:51,969
this item. And I just think again, it hits the

605
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:54,129
media. So we get the report when it hits the

606
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:58,975
agenda. It hits the media Monday. The community blows up

607
00:55:59,236 --> 00:56:01,615
on the fact of this overrun and we're expected on

608
00:56:01,615 --> 00:56:03,495
the pressures of us to make this decision, which I

609
00:56:03,495 --> 00:56:08,455
also think is unacceptable. The, uh, utility locates, uh, in

610
00:56:08,455 --> 00:56:12,535
my opinion, in my mind, maybe not all locates or

611
00:56:12,535 --> 00:56:16,135
all utilities, you know, can be located, but there certainly

612
00:56:16,716 --> 00:56:19,975
should be able to be all located. And if there's,

613
00:56:19,975 --> 00:56:22,615
as the statement was made in complete locates, the job

614
00:56:22,655 --> 00:56:24,855
should never have started if there was incomplete locates by

615
00:56:24,956 --> 00:56:29,101
law. So you look at a lot of this, uh,

616
00:56:29,222 --> 00:56:32,241
that's being presented. And again, I know staff have probably

617
00:56:32,422 --> 00:56:35,201
worked very hard on it. And there's probably become a

618
00:56:35,201 --> 00:56:39,201
lot of surprises. But this was publicly spoke about through

619
00:56:39,201 --> 00:56:42,241
the contractor in the community four months ago that there

620
00:56:42,262 --> 00:56:45,001
was these issues and these problems. And it kind of

621
00:56:45,001 --> 00:56:47,601
circulated around the community. And again, here at the 11th

622
00:56:47,702 --> 00:56:52,241
hour, it's being presented to us. So with all that

623
00:56:52,422 --> 00:56:55,361
being said, and I do like the idea that Councillor

624
00:56:55,542 --> 00:56:59,281
Doherty's brought forward about the solar panels. However, I would

625
00:56:59,281 --> 00:57:01,921
be very terrified to understand what the cost would be

626
00:57:02,102 --> 00:57:04,481
and the overrun of those costs for any additional work

627
00:57:04,502 --> 00:57:07,203
that would be done for that. So with all this

628
00:57:07,944 --> 00:57:10,723
kind of in my conclusion, I do not support any

629
00:57:10,824 --> 00:57:14,403
extra enhancements. I will not support this. And I think

630
00:57:14,403 --> 00:57:19,203
that the accountability and we have to be responsible to

631
00:57:19,624 --> 00:57:22,803
our taxpayer. And I think at 700, 000 for this

632
00:57:23,624 --> 00:57:27,523
overrun is not acceptable. And therefore we should not be

633
00:57:27,544 --> 00:57:30,323
spending this additional money. And I'll leave my comments at

634
00:57:30,323 --> 00:57:38,174
that. Councillor Jeffrey. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So my colleagues

635
00:57:38,355 --> 00:57:41,294
have hit on a number of really important, uh, point.

636
00:57:43,666 --> 00:57:49,085
And I appreciate Staff acknowledging, um, lessons learned and ways

637
00:57:49,125 --> 00:57:52,425
forward. Cause that, that is important. But also I think

638
00:57:52,926 --> 00:57:56,265
it needs to be acknowledged publicly some other way because

639
00:57:56,366 --> 00:57:59,385
Council is really taking a schlacking out there on social

640
00:57:59,385 --> 00:58:02,105
media. The council did this. Council doesn't do that. Council

641
00:58:02,126 --> 00:58:05,219
does this. Council didn't know. So that's not on us.

642
00:58:05,685 --> 00:58:09,184
And, um, so I think there needs to be some,

643
00:58:09,184 --> 00:58:17,349
uh, acknowledgement either through our, um, Communications Protocol somehow. Um,

644
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:22,149
my concerns more with respect to the funding that we

645
00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:27,269
have ongoing. And I wonder if there's an obligation on

646
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:30,069
the town when the scope of a project is significantly

647
00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:34,949
proposed to change to the tune of 36 percent Is

648
00:58:34,949 --> 00:58:38,549
there an onus on us to give further notice to

649
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:44,689
the province and have that funding, um, approval updated. And

650
00:58:44,689 --> 00:58:47,989
if so, if there is that responsibility, what delay would

651
00:58:48,090 --> 00:58:50,309
that potentially pose? And I'm not sure that's one you

652
00:58:50,349 --> 00:58:52,709
can answer now or maybe it's one we've looked at

653
00:58:52,810 --> 00:58:55,269
and have an understanding that we have no responsibility under

654
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:58,618
the contract to do that. And I don't know who

655
00:58:58,618 --> 00:59:03,498
that is through to, uh, Director Cubit. Yes. Director Cubit.

656
00:59:03,498 --> 00:59:07,778
Sure. Uh, thank you through you. Um, I would, my

657
00:59:07,778 --> 00:59:10,058
understanding would be that, um, yes, it's always appropriate to

658
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:13,818
update our funders when we have changes to our scope.

659
00:59:13,818 --> 00:59:19,658
Um, I would recognise that, um, uh, The increased cost

660
00:59:19,759 --> 00:59:24,058
of the project still fits within the parameters of the

661
00:59:24,098 --> 00:59:27,658
funding. If you are reducing the Town commitment, then it's

662
00:59:27,658 --> 00:59:31,558
a, obviously a problem with matching funds. Um, and, uh,

663
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:36,618
just also want to emphasize that the scope of the

664
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,498
project in terms of the objectives that it's delivering to

665
00:59:39,498 --> 00:59:43,178
the community as we're in our application for this funding

666
00:59:43,919 --> 00:59:49,498
are still entirely maintained within the existing design and classification

667
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:52,138
and the activities can happen within that space. So we

668
00:59:52,138 --> 00:59:55,898
don't feel that that is at risk. Thank you. Through

669
00:59:55,898 --> 00:59:59,738
you, thank you for that response. Um, and so when

670
00:59:59,778 --> 01:00:02,538
I look at the enhancements and what we originally wanted

671
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:05,018
to do with this property in terms of having an

672
01:00:05,018 --> 01:00:10,058
available, uh, winter and summer months to offset our minor

673
01:00:10,058 --> 01:00:15,718
sports times, not available currently through our existing facilities, um,

674
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:21,978
uh, this overrun does not include such things as we,

675
01:00:21,978 --> 01:00:24,538
uh, change room, he did change rooms. We're still going

676
01:00:24,538 --> 01:00:30,058
to have kids running from Central Park to the arena.

677
01:00:30,058 --> 01:00:35,340
The change rooms in central don't. All times accommodate the

678
01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:39,740
teams working through the indoor ice surface plus the outdoor

679
01:00:40,001 --> 01:00:46,459
ice surface. Um. So I'm really concerned about where the

680
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,025
future. Um, changes we need for here are going to

681
01:00:51,086 --> 01:00:56,345
come from was spending all of this. So with all

682
01:00:56,385 --> 01:00:58,665
of that said, the one thing I wanted to ask

683
01:00:58,766 --> 01:01:01,225
too is there would be no, uh, shooting of pucks

684
01:01:01,265 --> 01:01:06,089
and things after the noise bylaw. Time frames, I assume,

685
01:01:06,089 --> 01:01:11,803
or maybe is that difficult to enforce. Through you. Got

686
01:01:11,803 --> 01:01:16,783
to. Um, probably Director Cut or whomever familiar with the

687
01:01:16,783 --> 01:01:20,303
restrictions at the noise. I know lights go out automatically

688
01:01:20,564 --> 01:01:23,729
at our parks at 11. P. m. But I don't

689
01:01:23,729 --> 01:01:27,409
know about Director Cubitt. Thank you. Um, I would have

690
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:31,889
to verify, but, um, my understanding our current noise by

691
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:35,209
law doesn't actually have specific times, but it's sort of

692
01:01:35,209 --> 01:01:37,409
24 hours if the noise was success of then our

693
01:01:37,409 --> 01:01:41,469
community can expect, um, a response to that. So, uh,

694
01:01:41,469 --> 01:01:43,409
I mean, we're currently managing that at the park. It's

695
01:01:43,409 --> 01:01:45,249
something we would continue to monitor and manage the best

696
01:01:45,289 --> 01:01:47,729
we can. Okay. I might be thinking of construction times.

697
01:01:49,436 --> 01:01:52,819
Clerk's nodding your head. All right. So I believe the

698
01:01:52,819 --> 01:01:58,460
CAO has a response. Um, before you got too far

699
01:01:58,961 --> 01:02:01,100
through you before you got too far from your last

700
01:02:01,281 --> 01:02:05,740
comment, um, there is a site layout consideration in place

701
01:02:05,921 --> 01:02:10,060
for, uh, change rooms. And I would prefer that the

702
01:02:10,241 --> 01:02:12,380
project team talked to that. But I just thought you

703
01:02:12,401 --> 01:02:14,417
might like to know that as you went by. Great.

704
01:02:17,896 --> 01:02:23,235
Through the chairs, management multiplies. There is a, um, a,

705
01:02:23,235 --> 01:02:29,853
um. Conceptual plan for where CAN type change rooms would

706
01:02:29,893 --> 01:02:33,053
go on the site. Part of it has to do

707
01:02:33,634 --> 01:02:38,255
part of the delay with CCANs. Is to do with

708
01:02:38,996 --> 01:02:45,675
order of operations. So build the MOOF structure first, get

709
01:02:45,675 --> 01:02:55,055
rid of that interference. Install Dwayneage system so that the

710
01:02:55,095 --> 01:03:00,415
gathering area, the area east and north of the washrooms,

711
01:03:00,415 --> 01:03:04,415
uh, between the washrooms and the curling club so that

712
01:03:04,415 --> 01:03:09,775
that drains properly. And the process of that develop the

713
01:03:09,796 --> 01:03:13,455
place where you can put the CCANs where they can

714
01:03:13,556 --> 01:03:18,499
stay there for the next 10, 15 years. And, um,

715
01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:22,599
do it sequentially and not manager so that you're not

716
01:03:23,180 --> 01:03:26,119
so that we're not tripping over ourselves sort of thing.

717
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:34,738
The other thing that I think is important to mention

718
01:03:35,479 --> 01:03:39,420
is that that area. Between the curling club and the

719
01:03:39,441 --> 01:03:43,900
washroom building is also the area where the ice resurfacer

720
01:03:44,561 --> 01:03:47,740
has to come out of the curling club and onto

721
01:03:47,780 --> 01:03:50,345
the ice. None of that area can be treated with

722
01:03:51,486 --> 01:03:55,786
sand or salt. So otherwise it would get tracked onto

723
01:03:55,826 --> 01:04:01,070
the ice surface. So it becomes very important that we

724
01:04:01,070 --> 01:04:03,950
have good drainage in that area so that we're not

725
01:04:04,051 --> 01:04:10,387
dealing with ongoing ice problems. Okay. Thank you for that.

726
01:04:10,387 --> 01:04:13,427
So I think probably where this is leading me too

727
01:04:13,528 --> 01:04:17,107
is I think we need to fix the drain each.

728
01:04:17,128 --> 01:04:18,947
Uh, that's what we need to do. But as far

729
01:04:18,947 --> 01:04:23,107
as enhancements go at this point, I think by fixing

730
01:04:23,147 --> 01:04:26,387
the drainage, we're serving exactly getting what we wanted the

731
01:04:26,387 --> 01:04:28,547
roof to do. And we can move on to the

732
01:04:28,888 --> 01:04:31,867
sekans and other things. So, um, that's where I am

733
01:04:32,008 --> 01:04:35,917
so far. Thank you. Actually Councillor McCulloch is next. And

734
01:04:35,917 --> 01:04:41,164
then there and then the deputy mayor. Thank you, Chair.

735
01:04:41,164 --> 01:04:45,644
Um, through you to a manager McNulty, um, I've landed

736
01:04:45,745 --> 01:04:48,364
in very much the same place as, uh, as Councillor

737
01:04:48,404 --> 01:04:52,684
Jeffrey just mentioned, I think remedying the drainage issue is

738
01:04:52,684 --> 01:04:55,804
important. I just wanted to clarify if there's 150 to

739
01:04:55,804 --> 01:04:58,684
do the initial or the phase one of that. Does

740
01:04:58,684 --> 01:05:02,124
that produce the required benefit that we're looking for or

741
01:05:02,124 --> 01:05:03,884
do we need to also go to phase two to

742
01:05:03,905 --> 01:05:08,744
actually. Achieve a good drainage result. Sue the chair, the

743
01:05:08,945 --> 01:05:12,684
first hundred and fifty thousand dollars only gets the infrastructure

744
01:05:12,785 --> 01:05:16,607
around the rank. It would be non - functional. Until

745
01:05:17,428 --> 01:05:21,727
the 50, the phase two was completed and provides the

746
01:05:21,828 --> 01:05:25,247
outlet to the Minnesota drain. Okay. Thanks. I just wanted

747
01:05:25,247 --> 01:05:27,787
to clarify that. So it is a 350 item, not

748
01:05:27,787 --> 01:05:32,863
a, um, again, I think that's fine. Um, and then

749
01:05:32,903 --> 01:05:35,823
just in general, as I came in, this may be

750
01:05:35,823 --> 01:05:38,463
my remembering recollection of this as it came through the

751
01:05:38,463 --> 01:05:43,583
process. I understood the facility's use was always in my

752
01:05:43,604 --> 01:05:47,560
history intended to be a 12 month facility. And so

753
01:05:47,981 --> 01:05:52,200
I'm, I'm concerned that items like sprinklers, which are required

754
01:05:52,301 --> 01:05:55,080
to be a 12 month facility. We're not in the

755
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,040
original scope or specification for the building. And that they're

756
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,360
coming up at this point in time. So I'm wondering

757
01:06:01,741 --> 01:06:04,680
where that, um, might have emerged from or have I

758
01:06:05,341 --> 01:06:07,160
missed, missed things along the way, which is entirely possible.

759
01:06:09,165 --> 01:06:13,178
I would show you a frustration. Thank you. Is that

760
01:06:13,218 --> 01:06:22,975
it. Um. Yes. Thank you. Mayor Hamlin. While I'll just

761
01:06:23,015 --> 01:06:27,785
say I appreciate your candor here today. This is very

762
01:06:27,886 --> 01:06:34,048
unfortunate situation for staff and for council. And I, I

763
01:06:34,149 --> 01:06:38,048
know no one's enjoying this discussion. Um, least of all

764
01:06:38,088 --> 01:06:45,340
me. I am struggling with our community. We all know

765
01:06:45,681 --> 01:06:49,988
wants to have a multi - use recreation complex. And

766
01:06:50,028 --> 01:06:52,768
that is going to cause a lot of money. And

767
01:06:52,768 --> 01:06:57,108
to put any money into an outdoor reef structure and

768
01:06:57,289 --> 01:06:59,668
its connection to an arena and so on and so

769
01:06:59,668 --> 01:07:02,753
on. It's just not sitting well with me because I

770
01:07:02,753 --> 01:07:05,793
don't feel like I have in my mind a picture

771
01:07:05,833 --> 01:07:09,393
of what our overall recreational uses are going to look

772
01:07:09,393 --> 01:07:13,961
like in the fullness of time. And even when I

773
01:07:13,961 --> 01:07:17,401
look at the arena there, the central park arena with

774
01:07:17,742 --> 01:07:20,601
the sprung structure over it. What I've heard time and

775
01:07:20,641 --> 01:07:25,834
time again is the limited lifespan on those roofs. And

776
01:07:25,855 --> 01:07:29,194
I might ask, uh, through you, um, chair in a

777
01:07:29,234 --> 01:07:33,594
second, uh, if that's true. But if that is true

778
01:07:34,015 --> 01:07:36,434
and I don't know what the lifespan would be, I

779
01:07:36,434 --> 01:07:39,514
hear 10 years, 12 years, you know, where will that

780
01:07:39,695 --> 01:07:42,714
rink fit into our future plan if we are proceeding

781
01:07:43,215 --> 01:07:47,594
to build what I hope will be a robust multi

782
01:07:47,634 --> 01:07:52,692
- use recreation complex, uh, with rinks. And what will

783
01:07:52,732 --> 01:07:56,372
happen to the YMCA building there? To me, that's a

784
01:07:56,412 --> 01:07:59,972
huge question mark in the fullness of time. What's going

785
01:07:59,972 --> 01:08:02,292
to happen with that building. And then, and then I

786
01:08:02,332 --> 01:08:04,772
start thinking, just so you know, where my brain goes,

787
01:08:04,772 --> 01:08:07,652
what's going to happen to that site? Maybe we'll always

788
01:08:07,692 --> 01:08:09,812
have a, I'll just say maybe we'll always have a

789
01:08:09,852 --> 01:08:13,412
curling club and maybe we'll always have an outdoor rink

790
01:08:13,513 --> 01:08:17,012
for recreational purposes and pickleball and all kinds of other

791
01:08:17,052 --> 01:08:20,612
things. But maybe we won't need a place for garage

792
01:08:20,652 --> 01:08:24,272
sales. Maybe the curling club will still be good. Um,

793
01:08:24,393 --> 01:08:27,652
maybe the drainage will be looking after in some future

794
01:08:27,753 --> 01:08:32,986
project. So I guess what I'm thinking, uh, right now

795
01:08:33,167 --> 01:08:38,826
is I know we have contractual obligations to finish this

796
01:08:38,847 --> 01:08:43,046
project, which is the 500, 000 dollar total amount. And

797
01:08:43,046 --> 01:08:46,986
I would be, of course, in support. Our town has

798
01:08:47,007 --> 01:08:51,466
to honour its contractional obligations. But in terms of enhancements

799
01:08:51,487 --> 01:08:56,346
at this time, I would say no. Um, if there

800
01:08:56,386 --> 01:08:59,226
is drainage issues there, I'd say let's do what we're

801
01:08:59,226 --> 01:09:02,426
doing now. We'll wait a few days baseball won't take

802
01:09:02,447 --> 01:09:06,886
place. You know, it won't be wonderful, but, you know,

803
01:09:06,886 --> 01:09:10,146
for now, I think we should live with it. If

804
01:09:10,527 --> 01:09:13,146
it's too noisy for the neighbourhood, we'll deal with it.

805
01:09:13,146 --> 01:09:16,086
And maybe we'll have to shut down things earlier. Um,

806
01:09:16,287 --> 01:09:18,746
or if a future budget, we say, Hey, we got

807
01:09:18,746 --> 01:09:22,026
lots of money. Let's spend, you know, whatever it takes

808
01:09:22,287 --> 01:09:24,986
for improving the acoustics. We can look at it at

809
01:09:25,026 --> 01:09:30,793
that time. Um, so that's my sense of this, uh,

810
01:09:30,793 --> 01:09:33,213
at this point. Let's wait and get a big rec

811
01:09:33,253 --> 01:09:35,373
plan in place. Thank you. Thank you. Before I go

812
01:09:35,373 --> 01:09:38,573
to the Deputy Mayor, just clarity here because you had

813
01:09:38,594 --> 01:09:43,453
mentioned 500, 000, uh, Councillor McCulloch and Councillor Jeffrey were

814
01:09:43,453 --> 01:09:47,053
talking about, I think 250 or 350 for the drainage

815
01:09:47,093 --> 01:09:50,173
issues. So I want to be clear about what figures

816
01:09:50,194 --> 01:09:53,053
we will be eventually talking about. But so could I

817
01:09:53,053 --> 01:09:57,133
just respond to that? So, uh, what my position is

818
01:09:57,714 --> 01:10:00,333
unless I'm convinced otherwise is we're on the hook for

819
01:10:00,834 --> 01:10:04,893
510, 000 dollars to complete this project. And maybe I'll

820
01:10:04,994 --> 01:10:10,696
just confirm that through you, uh, please. Yes. Director Qubit,

821
01:10:10,696 --> 01:10:16,334
I think or Manager McNulty. Is it 510. That's correct.

822
01:10:16,675 --> 01:10:20,814
That's what essentially the current commitments are to be able

823
01:10:20,814 --> 01:10:24,264
to finish the project. And I'm sorry. I just had

824
01:10:24,264 --> 01:10:26,184
one more thing on my mind. In terms of the

825
01:10:26,445 --> 01:10:31,624
geotechnical report from 2024, um, is Staff considering whether we

826
01:10:31,885 --> 01:10:34,984
have any remedies against the company that would have done

827
01:10:34,984 --> 01:10:37,824
that report, which who of course would be insured. I

828
01:10:37,824 --> 01:10:42,924
would presume. Or could staff look into that. That it

829
01:10:42,924 --> 01:10:45,924
does, that is a discussion that Staff have had. We

830
01:10:45,924 --> 01:10:50,029
have not. Um, taken action on that as yet. Um,

831
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:54,369
because right at this moment, it's more important to keep

832
01:10:54,409 --> 01:10:58,129
the project moving. But that is certainly discussion that needs

833
01:10:58,169 --> 01:11:01,377
to follow up. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Deputy

834
01:11:01,478 --> 01:11:06,695
Mayor. Uh, thank you, Chair Beans. And might get me

835
01:11:06,695 --> 01:11:09,815
over. I have my own questions, but that was bringing

836
01:11:09,836 --> 01:11:12,855
up another one in my mind because the comment was

837
01:11:12,895 --> 01:11:16,615
that we're dealing with 510. When I read the report,

838
01:11:16,615 --> 01:11:19,255
my understanding was that the 510 wasn't something that we'd

839
01:11:19,276 --> 01:11:24,615
settled on. Um, it's what the contractor has settled on.

840
01:11:24,615 --> 01:11:27,655
And, um, my understanding is, is that we're negotiating that

841
01:11:27,916 --> 01:11:31,175
hard. And I really hope we are because, um, and

842
01:11:31,215 --> 01:11:35,095
I guess I get clarification first to you if I

843
01:11:35,095 --> 01:11:39,735
could share the 510 is what's being requested by the

844
01:11:39,756 --> 01:11:43,155
contractor. And we're looking at that long and hard, um,

845
01:11:43,276 --> 01:11:45,015
as to whether or not we're going to agree to

846
01:11:45,015 --> 01:11:50,173
it. I think Manager McNaughter confirmed that the 510 was

847
01:11:50,213 --> 01:11:55,150
what the contractors requesting. Is that not true. Uh, The

848
01:11:55,251 --> 01:12:04,172
Fine Tan includes the claim from the contractor. Another piece

849
01:12:04,212 --> 01:12:09,612
of that is an adjustment to the area of the

850
01:12:09,953 --> 01:12:14,172
concrete perimeter slab, which is outside of the claim from

851
01:12:14,172 --> 01:12:20,358
the contract, but it would be an additional cost. And.

852
01:12:25,336 --> 01:12:25,955
I remember here.

853
01:12:37,455 --> 01:12:41,254
And a ventilated ridge cap, which I believe is, uh,

854
01:12:42,415 --> 01:12:45,234
for quite reasonable cost is worthwhile to be able to

855
01:12:46,655 --> 01:12:54,702
release humanity from the building. And reduce condensation issues. Within

856
01:12:54,702 --> 01:13:04,018
the building. And to resolve some, um, remaining

857
01:13:04,599 --> 01:13:11,446
underground utility relocations. That's a, that's a essentially what it,

858
01:13:11,446 --> 01:13:16,646
what it is. So it's, it's the bare minimum to

859
01:13:16,686 --> 01:13:22,405
get to completion. Thank you. And follow up. It's so

860
01:13:22,445 --> 01:13:27,697
confusing. And we've already talked about the fact that we're

861
01:13:27,737 --> 01:13:32,017
getting this, uh, the day before we go lame duck.

862
01:13:32,017 --> 01:13:34,977
When I, when I hear numbers and some of this

863
01:13:34,977 --> 01:13:37,377
is this and some of this is that. That's why

864
01:13:37,417 --> 01:13:39,457
I come out and I'm looking at it like a

865
01:13:39,478 --> 01:13:43,377
50 percent increase. I know Councillor Jeffrey are probably netting

866
01:13:43,417 --> 01:13:46,897
it down looking at what's enhancements and what's not. But,

867
01:13:46,897 --> 01:13:49,457
uh, it's, it's so troubling to be dealing with this

868
01:13:49,638 --> 01:13:52,337
now. And so I, I want to get a clear

869
01:13:52,358 --> 01:13:56,097
understanding of when this was known about. And I think

870
01:13:56,518 --> 01:13:59,377
my question then through you, if I could, I'd ask

871
01:13:59,478 --> 01:14:04,559
CAO Skinner, like when did we know about this. CIO.

872
01:14:08,397 --> 01:14:13,216
Through the chair. Uh, I was given a heads up

873
01:14:14,717 --> 01:14:17,576
some time ago. I think at least six weeks ago

874
01:14:17,917 --> 01:14:22,136
and was given a detailed, more detailed briefing, um, about.

875
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:26,469
Four weeks ago, uh, there were, I had a number

876
01:14:26,509 --> 01:14:29,189
of questions that were not unlike the questions that are

877
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:32,149
being asked by Council today that involved going back to

878
01:14:33,370 --> 01:14:37,589
the request for proposal to the engineers. The engineers reports.

879
01:14:38,714 --> 01:14:43,573
Um, The Agreement with those companies. And similarly, what work

880
01:14:43,573 --> 01:14:47,253
was absolutely essential. Uh, so it has taken this long

881
01:14:47,434 --> 01:14:50,053
to, uh, to get to Council, but we did feel

882
01:14:50,093 --> 01:14:52,373
that, um, we needed to make sure we had a

883
01:14:52,373 --> 01:14:57,573
good understanding of, of these numbers, um, the project prior

884
01:14:57,573 --> 01:15:01,740
to bringing it forward. Again, follow up if I make

885
01:15:02,081 --> 01:15:05,020
is, um, that does nothing to help with my frustration

886
01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:09,320
level. Um, and, and I'm just going to say, and

887
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,500
I'm not going to go into detail. I think it,

888
01:15:11,500 --> 01:15:14,060
uh, it's a direct bearing on the existing governance structure

889
01:15:14,060 --> 01:15:19,353
we have. But you mentioned about the enhancements. And then

890
01:15:19,393 --> 01:15:21,033
the report, it talks about the fact that we don't

891
01:15:21,073 --> 01:15:25,433
do them now. They'll be costlier in the future. Do

892
01:15:25,473 --> 01:15:27,433
we have an idea of what it would cost us

893
01:15:27,454 --> 01:15:31,193
to do them if we completed the project without doing

894
01:15:31,233 --> 01:15:34,853
the enhancements, um, what would be the extra cost. And

895
01:15:34,853 --> 01:15:37,893
not the cost that Councillor McCullough is brought up, the

896
01:15:37,893 --> 01:15:40,193
ones that would need to be done to complete. I

897
01:15:40,193 --> 01:15:43,273
mean, if there's work that has to be done and

898
01:15:43,273 --> 01:15:46,313
it's 210, 000 if that's what it is, what would

899
01:15:46,353 --> 01:15:51,480
it be in dollars if we did it. When we

900
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:54,360
were going to complete it? Um, in a hole.

901
01:16:03,678 --> 01:16:08,057
Sue the chair, that is not something that we've really,

902
01:16:08,057 --> 01:16:14,358
uh, thought through, but I would suggest that. The drainage

903
01:16:14,379 --> 01:16:19,478
around the rink can be done later. It's just going

904
01:16:19,478 --> 01:16:24,220
to be a lot more difficult and time consuming. Once

905
01:16:24,241 --> 01:16:27,537
the building structure is there. And so we have a

906
01:16:27,577 --> 01:16:32,017
window in the next two or three weeks to be

907
01:16:32,017 --> 01:16:36,897
able to put that in while those obstructions aren't there.

908
01:16:38,883 --> 01:16:41,342
It can certainly be done later. It'll be a more

909
01:16:41,382 --> 01:16:45,082
tedious process. Presumably that means it might be a bit

910
01:16:45,082 --> 01:16:49,907
more expensive. To do the first phase of it. The

911
01:16:49,947 --> 01:16:54,232
second phase is what it is. The second phase being

912
01:16:55,213 --> 01:16:57,832
the outlet to the Minnesota dream. So it could all

913
01:16:57,872 --> 01:17:05,460
be done later as a single project. Part of it

914
01:17:05,500 --> 01:17:09,911
will be more tedious and more time consuming. Therefore more

915
01:17:09,911 --> 01:17:16,934
expensive if we do it later. Now marginally more expensive.

916
01:17:16,934 --> 01:17:20,134
I don't know. Yeah. And, and I too have concerns

917
01:17:20,555 --> 01:17:22,294
when I, when I'm thinking of these types of things

918
01:17:22,955 --> 01:17:26,214
about what's the future going to be about that particular

919
01:17:26,555 --> 01:17:29,494
site as it is. Right. Um, if there was going

920
01:17:29,494 --> 01:17:31,574
to be work that would take place on the one

921
01:17:31,595 --> 01:17:34,934
ball diamond, maybe it would be easy to, to do

922
01:17:35,595 --> 01:17:37,974
the structure underneath it rank at that point in time

923
01:17:38,475 --> 01:17:43,539
or easier. So I, it comes down to, um, I

924
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,019
was pleased to hear that we are pursuing the idea

925
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,859
of whether or not there's liability on the, um, on

926
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:57,059
the, where we found fault in the, I guess the

927
01:17:57,099 --> 01:18:00,739
studies that were done. And the locations of some of

928
01:18:00,779 --> 01:18:02,799
these things that we didn't know about, if we can

929
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,819
final liability back on the third party and recover from,

930
01:18:06,859 --> 01:18:11,459
from there. But in the end, um, hearing that it

931
01:18:11,459 --> 01:18:17,699
jeopardizes, um, the completion by December, um, 2026, which is

932
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:25,099
a requirement for our 980, 000 dollars of funding. I

933
01:18:25,099 --> 01:18:28,979
don't see a choice without, uh, without a lot of,

934
01:18:28,979 --> 01:18:32,659
uh, constraination to proceed. I think the last question I'll

935
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:37,859
ask is if I recollected, I thought this ice surface

936
01:18:37,859 --> 01:18:40,179
was actually designed that it was going to be twin

937
01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:44,259
maybe at, at some point in time. And I, I'm

938
01:18:44,259 --> 01:18:46,979
thinking if, if that was, am I wrong on that?

939
01:18:46,979 --> 01:18:49,139
Maybe I, maybe I'm totally out in left field. Like

940
01:18:49,139 --> 01:18:52,179
I should ask that question first. Was it not supposed

941
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,379
to be something that could be possibly twinned and, and

942
01:18:55,419 --> 01:18:58,307
kind of married with the, with the curling club. So

943
01:18:58,307 --> 01:19:03,427
they could use the one central, uh, ice making Councillor

944
01:19:03,467 --> 01:19:07,267
Jeffrey can respond to that just specifically, uh, when the

945
01:19:07,307 --> 01:19:10,787
project, when I originally brought the project in 2003 or

946
01:19:10,827 --> 01:19:14,467
four, it was, um, it was going to be designed

947
01:19:14,968 --> 01:19:17,667
so that it could be enclosed, not necessarily twinned with

948
01:19:17,667 --> 01:19:21,347
anything with the, it was twinning use of the ice,

949
01:19:21,347 --> 01:19:26,387
um, ice plants, but that it could be, um, bricked.

950
01:19:27,164 --> 01:19:32,423
Um, or enclosed as an individual, um, I've asked that

951
01:19:32,604 --> 01:19:36,723
question before since actually this term, maybe last term. And

952
01:19:36,723 --> 01:19:39,383
I've been advised that when they went in and did

953
01:19:39,423 --> 01:19:44,244
the investigation, that structure was not existing. So. If I

954
01:19:44,345 --> 01:19:47,124
may chair, so the twinning that I heard was more

955
01:19:47,305 --> 01:19:50,324
about the twinning with the curling club as a nice

956
01:19:50,364 --> 01:19:54,884
plant, um, situation. Sure. The ice plant for sure. Okay.

957
01:19:54,884 --> 01:19:58,564
So that's where my confusion comes from on that. And,

958
01:19:58,564 --> 01:20:03,524
um, because I'm still confused on, as you said, it

959
01:20:03,524 --> 01:20:05,284
was supposed to be. And this came to light when

960
01:20:05,385 --> 01:20:07,764
we, we had to make the decision about the roof

961
01:20:08,025 --> 01:20:12,244
that it was supposed to be prepared for a roof

962
01:20:12,284 --> 01:20:16,324
eventually. So, um, those are all my comments right now,

963
01:20:16,324 --> 01:20:19,284
guys, chair. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Perry. Well, thank

964
01:20:19,284 --> 01:20:23,124
you, Chair Baines. Um, compliment you all of all last

965
01:20:23,164 --> 01:20:25,524
great questions and covered a lot of the stuff I

966
01:20:25,625 --> 01:20:30,884
wanted to ask. But the, um, Manager McNulty, you said,

967
01:20:30,884 --> 01:20:33,984
uh, you just answered a question. I did have, um,

968
01:20:34,665 --> 01:20:38,964
the actual drainage will not be connected to the outlet.

969
01:20:41,138 --> 01:20:43,037
Down by the trail. I can't remember the name of

970
01:20:43,037 --> 01:20:45,437
that little creek. So it will not be connected there

971
01:20:45,538 --> 01:20:48,588
if we do the bare minimum. That's correct. Okay. So

972
01:20:49,329 --> 01:20:52,428
if we do the drainage around the rink, where's the

973
01:20:52,428 --> 01:20:58,479
water going to go? There will essentially not be drainage

974
01:20:58,519 --> 01:21:01,759
around the rank. Okay. But the infrastructure would be there

975
01:21:02,020 --> 01:21:05,839
to connect to phase two that would take it to

976
01:21:05,839 --> 01:21:10,039
the Minnesota drain. Okay. So the water's still going to

977
01:21:10,039 --> 01:21:13,119
sit there. I gather in the short term until that

978
01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:18,480
out loud is created. Okay. All right. Thank you. Anything

979
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:22,902
else. No, actually I have a question first that I'd

980
01:21:22,902 --> 01:21:28,297
like to present two. To Director Qubit, which is number

981
01:21:28,318 --> 01:21:31,177
one. I'm confused a little bit about the numbers that

982
01:21:31,278 --> 01:21:35,257
are floating around because we've discussed the 510 that is

983
01:21:35,297 --> 01:21:38,457
under discussion, shall we say with the contractor to get

984
01:21:38,497 --> 01:21:42,537
the drain work done. And then the distinction between 510

985
01:21:42,798 --> 01:21:46,937
and the 702 that you're asking for here is that

986
01:21:46,937 --> 01:21:51,902
entire difference, quote, enhancements. Um, that we'd be talking about.

987
01:21:54,185 --> 01:21:58,884
Thank you to you. So at Manager McNulty, can chime

988
01:21:58,884 --> 01:22:01,764
in here. But so part A being the project completion

989
01:22:01,785 --> 01:22:05,284
requirements. This is, I think, leave page nine of the

990
01:22:05,284 --> 01:22:09,908
Staff Report, 510, 000. Part B, these are the operational

991
01:22:09,929 --> 01:22:15,058
in site infrastructure enhancements, which includes the drainage. Astinated at

992
01:22:15,098 --> 01:22:22,770
up to 360, 000. The full amount being requested, the

993
01:22:22,770 --> 01:22:25,110
Can Comedy boast those, I realised isn't just the addition

994
01:22:25,131 --> 01:22:27,910
of one and two because, you know, there's been some

995
01:22:27,931 --> 01:22:31,030
payments made, that sort of thing. So essentially to accomplish

996
01:22:31,291 --> 01:22:34,990
part A and part B is the 702, 000. If

997
01:22:34,990 --> 01:22:40,950
Council were to decide to only support, um, part A,

998
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:44,230
then you could reduce the 702, 000 dollar quest by

999
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:46,710
the amount of Part B 360, 000 for a total

1000
01:22:46,710 --> 01:22:51,190
of 342, 842 dollars, but that's not include your drainage.

1001
01:22:51,531 --> 01:22:54,070
Thank you. And one more question. And that is in

1002
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:57,270
regard to this very tight date of December 31st and

1003
01:22:57,270 --> 01:23:00,430
the schedule that Manager McNaughty has told us about. Is

1004
01:23:00,430 --> 01:23:03,190
there any potential wiggle room with the province about that

1005
01:23:03,371 --> 01:23:05,830
date, particularly in regard to the challenges we've had to

1006
01:23:05,870 --> 01:23:11,260
face this year. I would like to suggest it's always

1007
01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:15,500
worth a phone call. And I, um, had good experiences

1008
01:23:15,761 --> 01:23:19,720
with the funders in the past accommodating such requests, uh,

1009
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,740
but I wouldn't want to guarantee it. And I'm not

1010
01:23:21,740 --> 01:23:24,540
sure if Manager Penalty has a different take on that.

1011
01:23:27,436 --> 01:23:31,255
I think you can always ask my understanding is that

1012
01:23:31,276 --> 01:23:35,895
the provincial government is usually very tight on their timeframes

1013
01:23:36,716 --> 01:23:40,135
because they want to hit their fiscal year end.

1014
01:23:47,963 --> 01:23:57,654
Oh, secondly blasted. With something Karen said. Well, then I'll

1015
01:23:57,694 --> 01:24:02,454
ask a supplementary if we, um, stopped with, uh, part

1016
01:24:02,494 --> 01:24:05,574
B would that increase the chances of making the December

1017
01:24:05,755 --> 01:24:15,201
31st deadline. So, so the other thing to consider. Aside

1018
01:24:15,201 --> 01:24:21,502
from the December 31st deadline is the 2026 27. Winter

1019
01:24:21,502 --> 01:24:25,444
season. So if we want to have the rank available

1020
01:24:25,705 --> 01:24:30,324
for this coming winter season, it's the same schedule. Yeah.

1021
01:24:30,324 --> 01:24:36,700
Okay. Thank you. Um, Kallok. Thank you, Jermaines. Um, and

1022
01:24:37,361 --> 01:24:40,300
this is a comment that I doesn't require response. I've,

1023
01:24:40,340 --> 01:24:43,740
I've altered my, my thinking on this. I think if

1024
01:24:43,780 --> 01:24:47,100
we're, you know, not proceeding with sprinklers, this becomes a

1025
01:24:47,140 --> 01:24:50,342
winter time roof. And if it's only a wintertime roof,

1026
01:24:50,342 --> 01:24:52,582
I don't think we need to tackle the drainage issue.

1027
01:24:53,302 --> 01:24:56,187
Today. I would feel better, but not being committed to

1028
01:24:56,227 --> 01:25:00,066
that expense. It works perfectly well now, except in the

1029
01:25:00,066 --> 01:25:02,526
spring. And it's going to fulfill the same purpose, but

1030
01:25:02,526 --> 01:25:05,200
with a roof. So I think that's where I'd land.

1031
01:25:06,369 --> 01:25:11,029
Uh, director. Uh, thank you through you. Um, I just

1032
01:25:11,069 --> 01:25:12,869
want to provide a little bit of clarity on what

1033
01:25:12,909 --> 01:25:21,089
this sprinkler system would do. Uh, and maybe misinformation. The

1034
01:25:21,089 --> 01:25:24,389
sprinkler system doesn't impact the 12 month of a year

1035
01:25:24,650 --> 01:25:27,989
usage. It impacts the type of activity that can happen.

1036
01:25:27,989 --> 01:25:31,429
So all the sporting events can still occur. Anything that

1037
01:25:31,530 --> 01:25:35,349
would typically happen on a slab, whether there be ice

1038
01:25:35,349 --> 01:25:38,849
on it or just concrete slab can still occur, uh,

1039
01:25:39,050 --> 01:25:40,389
12 months of the year. And the fact we're putting

1040
01:25:40,389 --> 01:25:45,829
a roof on helps with, um, the rain, the sun,

1041
01:25:45,829 --> 01:25:48,709
the issues that really sometimes shrink our ices and in

1042
01:25:48,749 --> 01:25:51,509
particular, um, so all of those things can still be

1043
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:56,309
accomplished. It's the, when we talked originally about, um, all

1044
01:25:56,349 --> 01:25:58,449
the benefits in this roof could do one of the

1045
01:25:58,449 --> 01:26:03,189
things we noted were, uh, and community activities. So anything

1046
01:26:03,229 --> 01:26:06,789
that's not the sporting and the primary activities, this is

1047
01:26:06,789 --> 01:26:10,549
what's impacted by lack of a sprinkler system. Um, like

1048
01:26:10,730 --> 01:26:13,189
yeah, expanding mother of all yard sales out onto the

1049
01:26:13,229 --> 01:26:17,109
surface, which has combustibles. That's what's prevented by not having

1050
01:26:17,530 --> 01:26:23,307
as precursor. So thank you. Yeah. Sorry. And that, that

1051
01:26:23,328 --> 01:26:25,467
aligns with my thinking. It's not a current use for

1052
01:26:25,728 --> 01:26:28,027
community events. It's a sporting facility and it will carry

1053
01:26:28,067 --> 01:26:33,382
on in that function. Three Councillor Ring and the Battle.

1054
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:39,519
I think a lot of them with the additional questions

1055
01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:42,959
we just recently had, have been included. Um, we weren't

1056
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:48,479
planning by the, uh, one of the enhancements that you've

1057
01:26:48,519 --> 01:26:52,679
got included here. Um, was the troughs and downspouts. So

1058
01:26:53,380 --> 01:26:56,559
I don't think we were ever really worried about trains.

1059
01:26:56,559 --> 01:26:59,039
It's because I can't see putting a roof on without

1060
01:26:59,700 --> 01:27:03,079
eave trough and downspouts, but that's just an opinion. So

1061
01:27:03,540 --> 01:27:06,959
like I thought, I took from that that we really

1062
01:27:06,999 --> 01:27:11,679
didn't have a real big concern about, um, drainage with

1063
01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:15,039
the original design anyways. So I don't know whether the

1064
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:18,559
truth. You toss and downspouts were not included in the

1065
01:27:18,599 --> 01:27:24,871
original design. We're not included in the tender. Um. They

1066
01:27:24,972 --> 01:27:30,391
would be an enhancement that would, um, their comfort thing.

1067
01:27:30,898 --> 01:27:35,197
To keep people from walking through a rain curtain off

1068
01:27:35,197 --> 01:27:38,477
the edge of the roof. But further, if you were

1069
01:27:38,477 --> 01:27:42,157
going to install a drainage system, then you can take

1070
01:27:42,178 --> 01:27:47,314
that downspout water directly into the drainage system. And it's

1071
01:27:47,314 --> 01:27:50,174
not on the ground. It doesn't freeze and so on.

1072
01:27:54,126 --> 01:27:58,665
One real quick. So that is we have to have

1073
01:27:58,926 --> 01:28:01,625
some type of drainage system coming out of that washroom.

1074
01:28:01,625 --> 01:28:03,225
So I mean, that it still could have been considered

1075
01:28:03,646 --> 01:28:06,585
at the time of, uh, putting it out to tender.

1076
01:28:06,851 --> 01:28:12,103
So anyways, that's it. Thank you. And it's come about

1077
01:28:12,143 --> 01:28:16,343
from, uh, Councillor Perry's question and even follow up by

1078
01:28:16,383 --> 01:28:22,361
Councillor McCullough. And I'm going to apologise at mostly to

1079
01:28:22,702 --> 01:28:25,161
Clair Cohen, cause I'm going to direct the question towards

1080
01:28:25,262 --> 01:28:29,081
her. And I know that it's actually a manager Truman

1081
01:28:29,582 --> 01:28:34,281
is handling the bulk of insurance consideration. But if we've

1082
01:28:34,321 --> 01:28:39,001
got a known laying water situation, uh, I think would,

1083
01:28:39,001 --> 01:28:42,371
would cause this liability concerns. And now we're going to

1084
01:28:43,032 --> 01:28:48,051
do some work underneath, but still have that situation as

1085
01:28:48,051 --> 01:28:51,331
a result that will fix some other time. I would

1086
01:28:51,352 --> 01:28:53,891
really have liked to have heard from our insurance company

1087
01:28:53,912 --> 01:28:59,131
that, uh, that we're protected. Um, again, utmost apology, if

1088
01:28:59,131 --> 01:29:03,651
you can't unster, I totally understand. But, um, sure like

1089
01:29:03,651 --> 01:29:07,091
to know from, from the staff, how they feel about

1090
01:29:07,832 --> 01:29:13,731
any liability situation, um, as I say, knowingly leaving a

1091
01:29:13,771 --> 01:29:17,011
situation that, uh, that will be fixed at a later

1092
01:29:17,051 --> 01:29:24,351
date. Thank you. Thank you through the chair to address

1093
01:29:24,372 --> 01:29:27,729
that question. Obviously if there is going to be areas

1094
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:31,489
that would create liability, the town still has a requirement

1095
01:29:31,529 --> 01:29:35,889
to undertake, you know, uh, our diligence and ensuring that,

1096
01:29:35,889 --> 01:29:39,409
you know, areas are partitioned off or roped off caution.

1097
01:29:39,409 --> 01:29:42,289
Information is put up that we look at alternative methods

1098
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:45,609
to ensuring safety, but we do have an obligation. I

1099
01:29:45,609 --> 01:29:49,409
think regardless of, of next steps that staff would be,

1100
01:29:49,409 --> 01:29:55,089
um, putting in place, um, at that point, um, that's

1101
01:29:55,190 --> 01:29:57,929
all right have to say right now, because I don't

1102
01:29:57,929 --> 01:30:00,769
know the extent of what this potential liability could look

1103
01:30:00,809 --> 01:30:06,532
like. And I apologise, that update in that way. And

1104
01:30:06,532 --> 01:30:08,472
I think what I would want to make sure we

1105
01:30:08,493 --> 01:30:12,312
knew, and I think the clerk is saying that is,

1106
01:30:12,312 --> 01:30:17,719
um, this will be looked at further by staff. Um,

1107
01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:24,419
it's not too far away from 27's budget, right? Um,

1108
01:30:25,180 --> 01:30:27,959
I'd like to thank if it was a concern of

1109
01:30:28,140 --> 01:30:30,759
staff. And I think that's what I've heard. They'd be

1110
01:30:30,759 --> 01:30:34,199
bringing it forward. And that extra work that we talked

1111
01:30:34,220 --> 01:30:37,159
about isn't going to be something that's held off if

1112
01:30:37,159 --> 01:30:40,359
they feel there's a liability situation there that we need

1113
01:30:40,399 --> 01:30:45,079
to address. So I'm, I'm fine with that comment. I

1114
01:30:45,260 --> 01:30:48,759
still am struggling with supporting, but I just don't see

1115
01:30:48,780 --> 01:30:53,319
any way possible not to support the full 980, 000

1116
01:30:53,359 --> 01:30:58,839
dollars that we're talking. And get it done and done

1117
01:30:58,940 --> 01:31:01,479
in time. So we don't lose to 980 that we've

1118
01:31:01,500 --> 01:31:04,772
got. Clerk almost. I do want to try and bring

1119
01:31:04,873 --> 01:31:06,932
this to a vote. But yes. Thank you. I just

1120
01:31:06,972 --> 01:31:09,492
wanted to note that Councillor Doherty's had her. I know

1121
01:31:09,993 --> 01:31:12,292
it's going to her actually next and then to Councillor

1122
01:31:12,332 --> 01:31:19,172
Jeffrey. Yeah. Councillor Doherty, sir. I'm so sorry, Chair, uh,

1123
01:31:19,172 --> 01:31:23,592
for piping up again. But, uh, when Manager McNulty was

1124
01:31:23,933 --> 01:31:29,992
itemizing, um, what was included in, uh, 510, 000, which

1125
01:31:30,093 --> 01:31:36,072
is identified as project completion. He mentioned extension of the

1126
01:31:36,413 --> 01:31:42,632
cement slab, uh, to the outer perimeter and also a

1127
01:31:42,973 --> 01:31:47,352
roof cap, uh, humidity release, uh, that may not be

1128
01:31:48,093 --> 01:31:52,392
what he called it, but, uh, that item. So I

1129
01:31:52,432 --> 01:31:58,072
just wanted to be clear were those enhancements as well

1130
01:31:59,613 --> 01:32:05,272
or were they also necessary for project completion? Are there

1131
01:32:05,312 --> 01:32:09,752
any items that are included in project completion, uh, that

1132
01:32:09,792 --> 01:32:14,692
could be considered enhancements could be a due later, uh,

1133
01:32:15,613 --> 01:32:24,333
uh, item. Thank you. Senator McNulty. The chair. In particular,

1134
01:32:24,373 --> 01:32:31,933
those two items. The reason to pursue the ventilated roof

1135
01:32:32,034 --> 01:32:38,693
cap at this point is because, um. The, uh, The

1136
01:32:38,693 --> 01:32:43,893
way that that ridge cap is formed between a nonventilated

1137
01:32:43,994 --> 01:32:48,533
cap and a ventilated cop is slightly different. And where

1138
01:32:48,533 --> 01:32:53,493
the roof steel stands now, which is a custom colour

1139
01:32:54,794 --> 01:32:58,693
custom run by the manufacturer. It's still sitting in rules.

1140
01:32:59,787 --> 01:33:03,126
Of, of sheet metal. So it's yet to be formed

1141
01:33:03,707 --> 01:33:12,994
into its final form. And for, uh, I believe the

1142
01:33:13,015 --> 01:33:16,834
quoted cost for that is 12, 800 dollars. So not

1143
01:33:16,874 --> 01:33:19,934
a whole lot of money in the big picture, uh,

1144
01:33:19,934 --> 01:33:25,234
to be able to switch from a sealed ridge cap

1145
01:33:25,274 --> 01:33:29,025
to a ventilated ridge cap and gain that benefit. To

1146
01:33:29,025 --> 01:33:31,905
come back and try and do that later, it would

1147
01:33:31,905 --> 01:33:38,248
be difficult to be able to match the steel. The

1148
01:33:38,288 --> 01:33:47,513
second item. The extension of the, uh. Perimeter concrete

1149
01:33:47,694 --> 01:33:57,273
slab, um, is another issue from the tender stage where

1150
01:33:57,454 --> 01:34:07,208
there was, uh, miss. Um, misconception of what the

1151
01:34:07,309 --> 01:34:14,422
perimeter slab extents would be. And during a clarification in

1152
01:34:14,462 --> 01:34:20,642
an addendum, the matter was actually made worse. And so,

1153
01:34:20,642 --> 01:34:28,419
um, what. The proposed parameter forest lab included in the

1154
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:34,099
510, 000 dollars is essentially to take the perimeter slab

1155
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:39,219
more or less from the rink boards to the edge

1156
01:34:39,219 --> 01:34:47,783
of the roof. Around the circumference of the Rick. As

1157
01:34:47,783 --> 01:34:56,085
opposed to leaving at gravel. Or, um, some other treatment.

1158
01:34:57,101 --> 01:34:59,560
But in order to finish off that, so it's a

1159
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:04,680
clean area around the exterior of the rink and an

1160
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:11,757
egress pathway. It needs really needs to be concrete. Follow

1161
01:35:11,778 --> 01:35:16,665
up at all. Uh, yeah, only to ask, uh, do

1162
01:35:16,665 --> 01:35:23,467
you have an estimate just for that, uh, extension. Through

1163
01:35:23,568 --> 01:35:30,407
you, to manage your McNulty. I do.

1164
01:35:33,396 --> 01:35:37,620
Um. It's one of those things that is still in

1165
01:35:37,660 --> 01:35:44,869
the negotiation. But I would say it's, uh, approximately a

1166
01:35:44,869 --> 01:35:51,989
hundred thousand dollars of the hundred and ten, Thank you.

1167
01:35:53,719 --> 01:36:03,685
Anything further. Yeah. Thank you. Um, and is that something

1168
01:36:03,725 --> 01:36:13,465
that could be retrofit. Adding the, the cement at a

1169
01:36:13,465 --> 01:36:19,577
later date on top of the gravel. Perhaps in some

1170
01:36:19,598 --> 01:36:28,137
areas, um, certainly at the primary access points to the

1171
01:36:28,398 --> 01:36:31,545
ice wink. Though it needs to be a hard surface

1172
01:36:31,585 --> 01:36:37,148
layer or stuff will be tracked on the ice. Agreed,

1173
01:36:37,188 --> 01:36:40,428
agreed. But I'm just wondering if there's an opportunity here

1174
01:36:41,969 --> 01:36:50,489
to complete just what is necessary for now. And without,

1175
01:36:50,489 --> 01:36:56,696
uh, compromising the integrity of the project. So the, through

1176
01:36:56,717 --> 01:37:00,616
the chair, um, just this morning, actually we had a

1177
01:37:00,656 --> 01:37:04,536
site meeting where we reviewed the extent of that parameter

1178
01:37:04,637 --> 01:37:13,896
ice lab. And at the south end of the rink,

1179
01:37:13,896 --> 01:37:17,576
we have, reduced the size of it at the south

1180
01:37:17,616 --> 01:37:19,816
end of the rink to bring it in closer to

1181
01:37:19,856 --> 01:37:25,496
the boards so that we still have a concrete perimeter

1182
01:37:25,536 --> 01:37:29,976
slab, but it's not totally out to the footprint of

1183
01:37:29,976 --> 01:37:33,736
the building at the south end with the idea that

1184
01:37:34,237 --> 01:37:37,736
at some point in the future a landscaping feature can

1185
01:37:37,776 --> 01:37:44,376
be put there to, uh, direct people and how they

1186
01:37:44,397 --> 01:37:51,565
access the facility. Thank you. Anything else Councillor Doherty. Uh,

1187
01:37:51,746 --> 01:37:57,523
no, thank you. Thank you. Those are my questions. No,

1188
01:37:57,523 --> 01:38:00,563
actually for the last time I'm going to Councillor Geoffrey,

1189
01:38:00,563 --> 01:38:02,483
but I'm going to hear from Councillor Jeffrey first and

1190
01:38:02,483 --> 01:38:05,931
then I'll come to you. Councillor Jeffrey. Uh, no more

1191
01:38:05,971 --> 01:38:09,291
questions. Just clarification because this has been like nailing jello

1192
01:38:09,291 --> 01:38:13,211
to a tree for me. Um, so if I just

1193
01:38:13,552 --> 01:38:16,251
want to complete it and this might align with Councillor

1194
01:38:16,251 --> 01:38:18,731
McCulloch and not do anything with the drainage right now,

1195
01:38:18,731 --> 01:38:20,331
because it's not going to run out till phase two.

1196
01:38:21,475 --> 01:38:27,384
That's 510, 000 up to 510. Correct. No, I don't.

1197
01:38:27,586 --> 01:38:32,236
Think so. They just will say yes. Um, if I

1198
01:38:32,257 --> 01:38:35,976
could just add something. I think what I heard, uh,

1199
01:38:36,177 --> 01:38:40,156
Director Qubit's sakes. I wrote it down, uh, given what's

1200
01:38:40,156 --> 01:38:43,196
been spent and blah, blah, blah, to do the first

1201
01:38:43,537 --> 01:38:48,881
phase right now. Or to complete the contract is 342,

1202
01:38:49,462 --> 01:38:58,401
842 dollars. Correct. But you could maybe ask, she's gnawing,

1203
01:38:58,401 --> 01:39:06,309
but she's naughty. Yes, correct. Still confused. Well, the difference

1204
01:39:06,349 --> 01:39:12,342
between 345 and 510. That's if that's a, if that's

1205
01:39:12,382 --> 01:39:21,360
a negotiation. No. Thing being included within. I'm still thinking

1206
01:39:21,541 --> 01:39:23,680
the number is five, 10, but I mean, even at

1207
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:27,680
that, I'm feeling a little ill. But, um, I just,

1208
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:31,760
I would really like somebody to please make this succinct.

1209
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:33,360
So I know what I'm voting on. Cause I'm not

1210
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,760
going to vote for the 702 no matter where we're

1211
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,400
going on this Mayor Hamlin. Can you address this issue?

1212
01:39:38,661 --> 01:39:41,600
Yeah. I think, and I may just ask for Director

1213
01:39:41,861 --> 01:39:47,520
Qubit's assistance in this. But as I understood, um, because,

1214
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:51,840
uh, certain amounts of funds have already been spent that

1215
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:56,800
in order to in fact complete the project, the 510

1216
01:39:56,840 --> 01:40:01,958
number is really an all - rounded 345, 000. So

1217
01:40:01,958 --> 01:40:05,478
if we just wanted to do what's necessary to finish

1218
01:40:05,739 --> 01:40:14,278
the project with no enhancements, it's 345, 000. Right. And

1219
01:40:14,779 --> 01:40:17,398
if I could just ask through you if Director Qubit

1220
01:40:17,438 --> 01:40:24,912
could confirm that. If, if I may for complete clarity,

1221
01:40:24,912 --> 01:40:27,632
um, I'd like to direct us to page eight of

1222
01:40:27,973 --> 01:40:32,905
the staff report, which are the financial implications. Thank you.

1223
01:40:33,486 --> 01:40:39,305
And, and Manager McNulty and I completely appreciate how abusing

1224
01:40:39,345 --> 01:40:43,525
this is. I understand that because we spent a lot

1225
01:40:43,525 --> 01:40:46,665
of time trying to make sure we were very clear.

1226
01:40:46,665 --> 01:40:51,385
So to date in 2025, the project incurred cost of

1227
01:40:51,886 --> 01:40:58,115
277, 184 dollars. These are overall project costs. In 2026

1228
01:40:58,776 --> 01:41:04,915
to date, the project spend 605, 739 dollars The remaining

1229
01:41:05,256 --> 01:41:14,669
construction contract. Is 1, 100, 500 7, 103 dollars. So

1230
01:41:14,970 --> 01:41:18,789
the subtotal for current project cost as is, we did

1231
01:41:18,829 --> 01:41:25,697
nothing else, 2, 040, 06 dollars. Our next section, project

1232
01:41:25,697 --> 01:41:33,082
A, the project completion requirements of 510, 000 dollars. Of

1233
01:41:33,183 --> 01:41:37,322
360, 000 dollars If you added that to the subtotal

1234
01:41:37,362 --> 01:41:43,764
above, it's 2, 910, 000 27 dollars. So what now

1235
01:41:44,025 --> 01:41:46,724
I was showing you the budget impact below here for

1236
01:41:46,825 --> 01:41:52,257
2026. 2026 outstanding costs for the enhanced project. So that's

1237
01:41:52,257 --> 01:41:57,630
the total enhanced project budget. Less 277, 000 and change

1238
01:41:57,731 --> 01:42:00,510
spent in 2025. So this is where there's some changes

1239
01:42:01,411 --> 01:42:09,251
is 2. 6 million 300 2842. And if then we

1240
01:42:09,992 --> 01:42:14,051
deduct what is currently in the 2026 budget That's the

1241
01:42:14,312 --> 01:42:19,171
town's commitment today and the grant which is 1. 93

1242
01:42:19,512 --> 01:42:27,098
million dollars. The outstanding amount is 702 dollars So that's

1243
01:42:27,138 --> 01:42:29,498
if we were to do everything that we requesting right

1244
01:42:29,498 --> 01:42:33,829
now. There's an overage. Of 702, 000 So if we're

1245
01:42:33,829 --> 01:42:36,309
saying we don't actually want to do both part A

1246
01:42:36,330 --> 01:42:39,349
and part B we can reduce The amount of part

1247
01:42:39,389 --> 01:42:44,069
B which was 360, 000 dollars And that makes the

1248
01:42:44,069 --> 01:42:49,429
overage only 342, 842 dollars Was that helpful or did

1249
01:42:49,429 --> 01:42:53,109
it make it worse? If I may just delineate again

1250
01:42:53,450 --> 01:42:58,229
The part B enhancements which would be suspended if we

1251
01:42:58,229 --> 01:43:01,429
did proceed Correct If you can delineate what those are

1252
01:43:01,770 --> 01:43:06,816
against your sweet. No. Last Manager McNulty The Part B

1253
01:43:06,917 --> 01:43:10,415
enhanced. Part B enhancements.

1254
01:43:19,329 --> 01:43:23,148
So the part B enhancements that make up the additional

1255
01:43:23,809 --> 01:43:30,234
360, 000 dollars. Are the local drainage infrastructure around the

1256
01:43:30,655 --> 01:43:36,317
bank The addition of Eve to offs and downspouts. Anything

1257
01:43:36,418 --> 01:43:43,669
to do with acoustic insulation or bird mitigation. Uh... Exterior

1258
01:43:43,709 --> 01:43:50,725
security lighting. Or preparation for video security cameras. Or anything

1259
01:43:50,746 --> 01:43:55,083
to do with time clock and public desk system. And

1260
01:43:55,123 --> 01:44:02,399
those all of those things could be done later. Thank

1261
01:44:02,399 --> 01:44:09,342
you Um. And I'll just say that. Director Cubat is

1262
01:44:09,382 --> 01:44:14,902
right. I think about these numbers in terms of The

1263
01:44:15,003 --> 01:44:18,721
project. But it's a mind shift When you start to

1264
01:44:18,721 --> 01:44:22,241
think about it In terms of the budget And that's

1265
01:44:22,281 --> 01:44:29,281
where The lesser number 342, 000 comes from Because part

1266
01:44:29,281 --> 01:44:33,761
of the 510, 000 is included in the current budget.

1267
01:44:34,506 --> 01:44:41,822
Allocation. It's everyone clear Thank you Mr. Chair So can

1268
01:44:41,822 --> 01:44:44,942
I follow up my question? Will yes And if that's

1269
01:44:44,982 --> 01:44:49,182
The number I guess The clerk won't let me amend

1270
01:44:49,222 --> 01:44:51,102
the number in the motion We'd have to vote down

1271
01:44:51,523 --> 01:44:53,662
The number that's there first and then propose a new

1272
01:44:53,662 --> 01:44:57,575
number Is that correct? Through to the clerk. Correct Okay,

1273
01:44:57,575 --> 01:45:01,197
thank you. That being case, this is the moved and

1274
01:45:01,298 --> 01:45:08,530
sanity. Um. The Saturdays At least to accept the response

1275
01:45:08,530 --> 01:45:11,090
of Katana Yeah, we'll do that then So the first

1276
01:45:11,271 --> 01:45:17,090
portion is that Staffport Staff Report CC S 2026 -

1277
01:45:17,511 --> 01:45:22,050
07 Outdoor Rink Roof Project Update And decisions re -

1278
01:45:22,050 --> 01:45:29,800
additional costs be received. All in favor. Carrie unanimously. The

1279
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,880
second part, and that Council authorized the use of up

1280
01:45:33,981 --> 01:45:39,400
to 702, 842 dollars from the Outdoor Recreation Services Development

1281
01:45:39,501 --> 01:45:43,800
Charge Reserve Fund to address Outdoor Rink Roof Project Completion

1282
01:45:43,821 --> 01:45:49,320
Requirements Site Infrastructure Improvements Drainage Works, utility relocations, and other

1283
01:45:49,341 --> 01:45:52,960
project - related He enhancements identified during construction. All in

1284
01:45:52,981 --> 01:45:57,215
favor. Sorry Deputy Mayor Just a clarification if I could

1285
01:45:57,476 --> 01:46:00,735
share through to the clerk Um... I do intend on

1286
01:46:00,836 --> 01:46:03,615
proposing an amendment Um... I feel like I can do

1287
01:46:03,615 --> 01:46:06,266
it. If we vote this down still And I just

1288
01:46:06,287 --> 01:46:09,546
want to make sure of that Um, I'm actually looking

1289
01:46:10,127 --> 01:46:19,078
to include another in that. It'll be... Some wording in

1290
01:46:19,118 --> 01:46:23,958
regards to the involvement of CAO Skinner Uh... On the...

1291
01:46:24,299 --> 01:46:28,438
When I'm going to call the negotiations, so to speak,

1292
01:46:28,438 --> 01:46:32,978
of how this is. That something I'd be able to

1293
01:46:32,978 --> 01:46:41,531
do if I don't put it on now. Yeah. So

1294
01:46:41,632 --> 01:46:43,331
you'd like to add that as a no - 2.

1295
01:46:45,306 --> 01:46:50,732
Yes. If I can do that after Disc gets defeated.

1296
01:46:52,740 --> 01:46:55,599
Okay So you want to comment before voting on this.

1297
01:46:56,270 --> 01:46:58,809
Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong Like if we vote

1298
01:46:58,849 --> 01:47:01,209
against... Do we not have to put an amendment in

1299
01:47:01,249 --> 01:47:04,889
first Before we vote on this? Because if we... No,

1300
01:47:04,889 --> 01:47:08,249
okay The clerk is saying Otherwise Okay Councillor Ring, did

1301
01:47:08,249 --> 01:47:11,491
you want to question this before The vote. No, only

1302
01:47:11,832 --> 01:47:13,731
the same fact I was... I mean, I know you

1303
01:47:13,731 --> 01:47:16,131
don't have to, but I thought that Councillor Jeffrey might

1304
01:47:16,171 --> 01:47:18,691
have an amendment But we vote on prior to voting

1305
01:47:18,731 --> 01:47:24,291
on This, we could defeat that. The other way around,

1306
01:47:24,291 --> 01:47:28,611
right? Okay. Lost the movement Secretary would like to withdraw

1307
01:47:29,032 --> 01:47:31,651
They're moving in 2nd of this Motion to prove it

1308
01:47:31,672 --> 01:47:35,603
in full Oh, we can do that. I So did

1309
01:47:35,603 --> 01:47:39,299
I move? Second I can't remember. I think I moved,

1310
01:47:39,299 --> 01:47:42,499
or seconded. I believe we have Councillor McCullough, and we

1311
01:47:42,499 --> 01:47:50,159
have Mayor Hamlin. Happy to withdrawal I'm happy to withdraw

1312
01:47:50,660 --> 01:47:54,782
Whichever is most Consider it done, thank you. Thank you

1313
01:47:54,822 --> 01:48:01,122
for that. I'm learning. So That's The fact we can

1314
01:48:01,162 --> 01:48:07,920
now take an amendment to this Deputy Mayor. County So

1315
01:48:09,301 --> 01:48:11,920
The Amended would be exactly the same wording except with

1316
01:48:12,101 --> 01:48:20,000
The Youth Up to 342 842 or 848, whatever that

1317
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:27,140
number was. Councillor Perry Seconds of Motion. Many Other discussion.

1318
01:48:30,027 --> 01:48:38,086
Councillor Ring Just just that... That's basically what I could

1319
01:48:38,187 --> 01:48:40,946
support. I wasn't going to support The Way It was.

1320
01:48:40,979 --> 01:48:46,577
Good. That being... Clerk Almas. Thank You Sopher Clarity We

1321
01:48:46,577 --> 01:48:49,057
can't just change The Number, because it does talk about

1322
01:48:50,038 --> 01:48:54,977
addressing site infrastructure drainage Works Utility Relocations and other Enhancements

1323
01:48:55,958 --> 01:49:03,377
So I don't know if Reverb's Assistance Me. Mr. Chair,

1324
01:49:03,377 --> 01:49:08,097
okay, and the Council Authorized The Youth 342, 848 Dollars

1325
01:49:08,758 --> 01:49:12,737
from the Outdoor Recreation Services Development Charge Reserve Fund. Um...

1326
01:49:14,598 --> 01:49:21,057
To complete The Outdoor Rank Roof Project. As... Apart from

1327
01:49:22,118 --> 01:49:26,889
her party, like No Part A says 510. Can I

1328
01:49:26,889 --> 01:49:34,733
still say that? Okay, per party. Good, and... That's acceptable

1329
01:49:34,773 --> 01:49:38,182
as well. Okay, everyone knows What the Motion is. I'll

1330
01:49:38,182 --> 01:49:43,169
call the vote, all in favor. Opposed, if any, Councillor

1331
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:49,121
Ring. So I Councillor Pots. I apologise. Thank you. Deputy

1332
01:49:49,222 --> 01:49:54,190
Mary wish to say something. Yes, thank you, and I'm

1333
01:49:54,291 --> 01:50:00,030
going to propose a further amendment. In my view, Because

1334
01:50:00,691 --> 01:50:05,150
I've expressed the concern about liability sites and these enhancements.

1335
01:50:05,190 --> 01:50:07,710
I think may need to be done Um, I'd like

1336
01:50:07,710 --> 01:50:13,150
to put some wording into Direct CEO Skinner, because this

1337
01:50:13,190 --> 01:50:15,870
is the only opportunity I can do that is here

1338
01:50:15,870 --> 01:50:19,310
at The Table. And what I'd be looking at is

1339
01:50:19,651 --> 01:50:24,910
I think something that would say... And that CEO Skinner

1340
01:50:25,571 --> 01:50:31,870
Council Direct CEO Skinner, to... I'd like to say take

1341
01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:37,230
the lead. I know CEO Skinner, you'd probably would Prefer

1342
01:50:37,411 --> 01:50:40,910
this was handled by staff directly, but I'm just saying

1343
01:50:41,171 --> 01:50:44,510
I think you need to be lead for us here,

1344
01:50:44,510 --> 01:50:46,790
because it seems to me, like if we're going to

1345
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:50,670
minimize The impact. Um, that we possibly can do with

1346
01:50:51,731 --> 01:50:55,230
the situation has happened. Our CEO needs to be involved.

1347
01:50:55,230 --> 01:50:59,870
So, um, I'm proposing that the CEO Skinner, or Council

1348
01:50:59,891 --> 01:51:05,070
Direct CEO Skinner to be involved, and report back, even

1349
01:51:05,070 --> 01:51:07,950
though Council will be in lame Duck. We've given direction

1350
01:51:08,531 --> 01:51:11,950
that up to this amount can be spent. Um, and

1351
01:51:12,291 --> 01:51:15,550
I'd like to know if it turns out that There's

1352
01:51:15,550 --> 01:51:19,590
some real concern by staff going forward. I want to

1353
01:51:19,590 --> 01:51:23,630
make sure that coming into 27 budget The new Council

1354
01:51:23,731 --> 01:51:28,750
is aware of The possibility of further need for spending

1355
01:51:29,251 --> 01:51:32,110
in order to alleviate some of the liability that we

1356
01:51:32,110 --> 01:51:35,550
might be sitting at So the simple line would be

1357
01:51:37,091 --> 01:51:43,790
to Council Direct CEO Skinner to Participate as the lead.

1358
01:51:44,220 --> 01:51:49,719
In the discussions on trying to minimize the cost excesses

1359
01:51:51,420 --> 01:51:55,348
And report back to Council. Is that okay.

1360
01:52:01,811 --> 01:52:05,390
The Deputy Mayor proposes this motion. Is there a seconder

1361
01:52:05,390 --> 01:52:14,894
for this? Councillor Ring. Comments.

1362
01:52:15,391 --> 01:52:19,598
Councillor Ring. I remembered why I drew a blank the

1363
01:52:19,619 --> 01:52:23,868
last time I put my request to speak up. Um,

1364
01:52:23,868 --> 01:52:26,708
we still got to, regardless how the amendments go. We

1365
01:52:26,708 --> 01:52:29,468
still got, um, we have one that's been approved So

1366
01:52:29,468 --> 01:52:33,968
we have to vote. The Motion as amended. Uh, before

1367
01:52:33,989 --> 01:52:42,254
I do that. And endorse it or not. With the,

1368
01:52:42,254 --> 01:52:46,689
just what we've approved here now in Councillor Jeffrey. Amendment

1369
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:53,097
through you to Manager McNaughty. It's less than half of

1370
01:52:53,118 --> 01:53:00,755
the 700 2000 that we originally were asked to. It,

1371
01:53:00,755 --> 01:53:08,695
well, all the amendments, it's Second Amendment. Okay.

1372
01:53:10,764 --> 01:53:13,223
Thank you, the motion that was passed regarding the 200

1373
01:53:13,484 --> 01:53:16,743
342, 000 was a main motion because the main motion

1374
01:53:16,743 --> 01:53:19,463
was defeated So a new main motion was put on

1375
01:53:19,463 --> 01:53:22,263
the floor So it was passed, and this is a

1376
01:53:22,263 --> 01:53:24,743
new main motion as well So this is not an

1377
01:53:24,764 --> 01:53:28,183
amendment It's an addition to, so it's another main motion

1378
01:53:28,684 --> 01:53:32,743
Uh, uh, that Council Direct CEO Skinner to participate in

1379
01:53:32,783 --> 01:53:36,183
lead Uh, The Completion of the Outdoor Ring Project and

1380
01:53:36,183 --> 01:53:38,423
Report Back to Council regarding any changes in the status

1381
01:53:38,444 --> 01:53:45,937
of the project to minimize cost increases. Okay. So to

1382
01:53:45,977 --> 01:53:49,457
that, I'm asking a question to the main motion then,

1383
01:53:49,457 --> 01:53:53,018
if it's a new main motion. I just want to

1384
01:53:53,018 --> 01:53:56,018
know basically and call me out of order if you

1385
01:53:56,018 --> 01:54:00,690
want. With what we Without the enhancements up to the

1386
01:54:00,711 --> 01:54:04,450
700 - 2000 Are we going to jeopardize losing the

1387
01:54:04,450 --> 01:54:07,170
funding from the provincial government? Or can we still qualify

1388
01:54:07,191 --> 01:54:12,401
for it? I'll allow that. Through the chair We've Director

1389
01:54:12,422 --> 01:54:18,321
Qubit can confirm, but... We are of the opinion that

1390
01:54:18,982 --> 01:54:22,501
that does not jeopardize The funding. It's all I wanted

1391
01:54:22,662 --> 01:54:27,575
to know Good. Deputy Mayor And that's part of the

1392
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intention of the direction to the CO, because all we're

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01:54:30,775 --> 01:54:33,415
doing is getting the money into the budget I feel

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01:54:33,415 --> 01:54:36,455
like we should have some direction there, and then can

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01:54:36,495 --> 01:54:42,295
hear back Um... When appropriate CO2 sides that... Does anyone

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01:54:42,295 --> 01:54:47,227
else want to wish to speak to this motion. Therefore

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01:54:47,488 --> 01:54:56,087
I'll call the Motion, all in favor. Opposed. Emotion Carrots.

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01:54:57,992 --> 01:55:01,434
Ladies and gentlemen, we are finished with this item. Well,

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01:55:01,434 --> 01:55:07,391
now move on to 7. 2. 2. E 2026 -

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01:55:07,572 --> 01:55:11,951
21 Heritage Permit Application for addition at 40 Simco Street.

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01:55:12,752 --> 01:55:16,251
I'd like to call Pon Director Valentine, and I think

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01:55:16,352 --> 01:55:19,851
she will introduce Senior Planner Tikhl, but go right ahead

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01:55:20,352 --> 01:55:23,611
Sorry I am sitting back from the table Oh yeah,

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01:55:23,611 --> 01:55:26,331
for my conflict Deputy Mayor will step back from this.

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01:55:27,752 --> 01:55:32,219
Please proceed Director. Thank you Chair Baines Before you today

1406
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:35,259
for consideration is an application for a Heritage Permit to

1407
01:55:35,299 --> 01:55:38,219
Support a Building Edition at 40 Simcoe Street, also known

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01:55:38,259 --> 01:55:42,801
as Black Bellows Building. The vast majority of Heritage Permit

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01:55:42,841 --> 01:55:46,401
Decisions are delegated to staff with advice from The Town's

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01:55:46,401 --> 01:55:50,961
Heritage Committee Where required providing additional guidance However, there are

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01:55:51,001 --> 01:55:55,201
some limited circumstances with it Which essentially bump up a

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01:55:55,201 --> 01:55:58,801
decision on a Heritage Permit to Council The application before

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01:55:58,982 --> 01:56:03,421
you represent one of those situations In this case, the

1414
01:56:03,421 --> 01:56:06,561
Staff Recommendation and The Advice from The Heritage Committee do

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01:56:06,561 --> 01:56:10,481
not align, and therefore a decision on the permit is

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01:56:10,582 --> 01:56:14,481
Elevated to Council, as noted by the chair with us,

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01:56:14,481 --> 01:56:16,481
a senior Planner Till, to provide you with an overview

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01:56:16,481 --> 01:56:19,281
of The Application and the Rationale for the Staff and

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01:56:19,281 --> 01:56:25,036
Heritage Committee Positions. Thank you, so good afternoon Committee members,

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01:56:25,036 --> 01:56:29,196
so this is the Presentation Report P2026 - 21 regarding

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01:56:29,196 --> 01:56:32,076
the Heritage Permit Application for In addition at 40 Simcoe

1422
01:56:32,076 --> 01:56:35,791
Street. Next slide, please. So The Town has received The

1423
01:56:35,791 --> 01:56:39,071
Harriage Permed Application for a new addition at 40 SIMcrow

1424
01:56:39,111 --> 01:56:42,351
Street, which is within the Collingwood Downtown Heritage Conservation District

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01:56:42,772 --> 01:56:45,871
Designate an Under Part 5 of the Ontario Heritage Act.

1426
01:56:45,892 --> 01:56:48,591
The Subject Property is located at the Southwest Corner of

1427
01:56:48,612 --> 01:56:51,391
Simcoe Street and St. Maurice Street, north of Eddie Bush

1428
01:56:51,412 --> 01:56:55,011
Memorial Arena, and opposite of the Collingwood Library. The property

1429
01:56:55,051 --> 01:56:57,491
has been known as Black - Byllows since about 2020,

1430
01:56:57,491 --> 01:57:00,820
and prior as Day's body shop. The existing building on

1431
01:57:00,820 --> 01:57:03,540
the property consists of the following portions in order of

1432
01:57:03,580 --> 01:57:06,740
construction as denoted on the screen. A two - story

1433
01:57:06,761 --> 01:57:11,060
Redbrick building built in approximately 1890 facing St. Marie Street,

1434
01:57:11,060 --> 01:57:12,980
a single - story rugbrick building at the corner of

1435
01:57:13,001 --> 01:57:16,640
St. Marie Street in Simcoe Street Spilt around 1950, and

1436
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:18,740
a single - story medal Cloud Edition, connecting both the

1437
01:57:18,761 --> 01:57:22,260
rear of the 1890 and 1950 portions of the building

1438
01:57:22,761 --> 01:57:25,752
built - in approximately 2018. The location of the proposed

1439
01:57:25,853 --> 01:57:28,232
edition is that The West End of the South Yard

1440
01:57:28,573 --> 01:57:34,466
shown in green. Next slide, please. So The Pictures on

1441
01:57:34,466 --> 01:57:37,666
this slide show The existing conditions of the South Yard

1442
01:57:37,767 --> 01:57:41,026
between the existing building and the Eddie Bush Arena, next

1443
01:57:41,026 --> 01:57:44,414
door, as seen from St. Mary Street. The South Yard

1444
01:57:44,414 --> 01:57:48,014
is presently gravel area used for parking and brewery storage

1445
01:57:48,054 --> 01:57:51,294
with Vehicular Access from St. Marie Street. Next slide, please.

1446
01:57:53,719 --> 01:57:56,578
The pictures on this slide show The Existing Street Scape

1447
01:57:56,578 --> 01:57:58,978
Condition in the area to provide some sense of the

1448
01:57:58,999 --> 01:58:01,778
visibility of the South Yard and the proposed edition location

1449
01:58:01,799 --> 01:58:05,018
from the Public Realm. The repose location is most visible

1450
01:58:05,279 --> 01:58:07,418
when standing directly in front of the yard on St.

1451
01:58:07,439 --> 01:58:10,218
Marie Street, as shown in the middle image, with visibility

1452
01:58:10,399 --> 01:58:13,258
increasingly limited moving south and north along the street due

1453
01:58:13,279 --> 01:58:15,738
to the existing taller buildings set close to the street.

1454
01:58:16,507 --> 01:58:20,324
Next slide, please. This slide shows a site plan of

1455
01:58:20,425 --> 01:58:23,844
the subject property with the proposed edition location identified in

1456
01:58:23,844 --> 01:58:26,964
green. The owner submitted a hit the Heritage Permit Application

1457
01:58:26,985 --> 01:58:30,164
on July 15th and is proposing to construct the single

1458
01:58:30,265 --> 01:58:35,524
- story 125. 6 square metre or 1351 square foot

1459
01:58:35,865 --> 01:58:38,564
edition as an extension of the existing single - story

1460
01:58:38,745 --> 01:58:45,337
2018 edition. Next slide, please. So The proposal would maintain

1461
01:58:45,377 --> 01:58:49,497
the existing Fenestration, which is window design, placement and arrangement,

1462
01:58:49,497 --> 01:58:53,017
as well as materials of the existing 2018 edition with

1463
01:58:53,017 --> 01:58:56,617
the front, so facing St. Marie Street being clad in

1464
01:58:56,617 --> 01:58:59,017
the same metal siding is what's on the existing 2018

1465
01:58:59,118 --> 01:59:03,657
edition. The South side and the rear west elevations are

1466
01:59:03,697 --> 01:59:07,337
proposed to be painted concrete block. The proposed, or the

1467
01:59:07,337 --> 01:59:09,737
purpose of the addition rather is for storage and warehousing

1468
01:59:09,758 --> 01:59:13,497
related to the existing accessory brewery and would consolidate storage

1469
01:59:13,537 --> 01:59:16,697
activities currently in the South Yard, which are currently housed

1470
01:59:16,697 --> 01:59:20,576
within shipping containers and a trailer into permanent building. Next

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01:59:20,597 --> 01:59:26,909
slide, please. The Heritage Committee's role is an advisory capacity,

1472
01:59:26,909 --> 01:59:29,369
and their recommendations to Council and Staff are valuable, but

1473
01:59:29,369 --> 01:59:31,949
the decision to issue refuse a permit ultimately resides with

1474
01:59:32,050 --> 01:59:35,709
council, where the conflict between the Herige County and Staff

1475
01:59:35,749 --> 01:59:39,229
recommendation, or staff in the case of consistency between the

1476
01:59:39,269 --> 01:59:43,447
heritage Committee and Staff recommendations. A Heritage Permit Application for

1477
01:59:43,487 --> 01:59:46,087
the addition was considered by the Heritage Committee first at

1478
01:59:46,268 --> 01:59:49,047
their July 22nd meeting, where it was deferred for the

1479
01:59:49,228 --> 01:59:53,207
applicant to address recommended revisions, specifically amending the east, which

1480
01:59:53,207 --> 01:59:55,447
is the front - facing or St. Marie Street facing

1481
01:59:55,487 --> 01:59:59,527
elevation to Redbrick and reconsider by the committee, uh, at

1482
01:59:59,527 --> 02:00:02,487
a future meeting. Um, so to provide the applicant with

1483
02:00:02,508 --> 02:00:04,967
the timely opportunity to return to the committee with any

1484
02:00:04,988 --> 02:00:08,407
adjustments, their application post - deferral. The Committee held a

1485
02:00:08,407 --> 02:00:11,127
meeting on August 6th, uh, where the application was again

1486
02:00:11,167 --> 02:00:15,047
considered. Staff met with the applicant on July 24th in

1487
02:00:15,047 --> 02:00:18,167
between to discuss Fred Brook Masonry and other possible colliding

1488
02:00:18,207 --> 02:00:22,947
options. And between July 22nd and August 6th meeting, The

1489
02:00:22,947 --> 02:00:26,407
Applicant did not revise that front elevation to red brick,

1490
02:00:26,407 --> 02:00:29,047
nor did they propose to make any other alterations to

1491
02:00:29,047 --> 02:00:32,167
the proposal. So the applicants submitted a letter to the

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02:00:32,188 --> 02:00:34,567
committee for the August 6th meeting, which is appended to

1493
02:00:34,668 --> 02:00:38,167
this Staff Report. Citing Economic Impracticalities is to why they

1494
02:00:38,207 --> 02:00:40,727
did not revise the East Elevation to Brick as requested

1495
02:00:40,767 --> 02:00:43,767
by the Committee in July. The letter also outlined the

1496
02:00:43,788 --> 02:00:48,891
Applicant's Rationale for support for the Unrevised Proposal. The Committee

1497
02:00:48,912 --> 02:00:51,211
ultimately passed the motion on the screen at the August

1498
02:00:51,211 --> 02:00:54,091
meeting to recommend that Council refused the permit due to

1499
02:00:54,131 --> 02:00:57,851
concerns with the proposed materials. The committee in their deliberations

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02:00:58,112 --> 02:01:00,891
noted concern with the proposed materials being inconsistent with the

1501
02:01:00,992 --> 02:01:04,091
district plan, noting the proposed addition is more visible from

1502
02:01:04,832 --> 02:01:08,171
the St. Marie Street than the existing edition. Next slide,

1503
02:01:08,171 --> 02:01:11,925
please. So Staff agree with Heritage Committee that the proposed

1504
02:01:11,965 --> 02:01:15,445
metal siding is not supported by the district plan. However,

1505
02:01:15,445 --> 02:01:18,325
Staff are of the opinion that there are contextual circumstances

1506
02:01:18,506 --> 02:01:22,005
in this instance that warrant support for the proposal. Most

1507
02:01:22,005 --> 02:01:24,805
compelling to staff as the desire to maintain the consistency

1508
02:01:25,226 --> 02:01:28,005
with the 2018 edition as the proposal would still leave

1509
02:01:28,266 --> 02:01:31,605
a portion of the existing addition. And its metal cladding,

1510
02:01:31,605 --> 02:01:35,045
uh, visible rather than introducing another clouding material that does

1511
02:01:35,085 --> 02:01:40,675
not relate to the 2018 edition. The second contextual circumstance

1512
02:01:41,256 --> 02:01:43,475
is the sighting of the proposed addition at the rear

1513
02:01:43,515 --> 02:01:47,235
of the property, set back approximately 22 metres or 72

1514
02:01:47,256 --> 02:01:50,440
feet from St. Marie Street. Well, the addition would be

1515
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:53,160
visible from the street. It's prominence in the streetscape would

1516
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:55,880
be minimal due to the significant setback, the lack of

1517
02:01:55,901 --> 02:01:58,280
impact of views of the sell side of the 1890

1518
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:01,480
portion of the building. And further both the 1890 portion

1519
02:02:01,480 --> 02:02:03,880
of the building and the Eddie Bush Memorial Arena block

1520
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,520
views of the proposed addition location, um, from points to

1521
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:09,110
the north and south on the street. While the proposed

1522
02:02:09,150 --> 02:02:11,510
edition and isolation would make a limited contribution to the

1523
02:02:11,531 --> 02:02:14,470
heritage character of the district, and Staff's opinion, it would

1524
02:02:14,510 --> 02:02:17,270
enhance the district by providing a permanent storage building and

1525
02:02:17,291 --> 02:02:20,070
facilitating the removal of a trailer and shipping attainers in

1526
02:02:20,070 --> 02:02:22,870
the south yard and represent minimal change the character of

1527
02:02:22,870 --> 02:02:25,270
the district and property, specifically noting that it would not

1528
02:02:25,371 --> 02:02:28,790
alter the 1890 portion of the building. In summary, Staff

1529
02:02:28,830 --> 02:02:32,150
are recommending approval in accordance with the recommendation shown on

1530
02:02:32,150 --> 02:02:37,184
the screen. Like slide, please. So Subject 2 Council's approval.

1531
02:02:37,184 --> 02:02:39,904
Next steps include providing the, uh, owner with a notice

1532
02:02:39,904 --> 02:02:43,164
of receipt, followed by Heritage Permit within 90 days, uh,

1533
02:02:43,365 --> 02:02:45,804
or a notice of refusal of the heritage permit. The

1534
02:02:45,804 --> 02:02:48,864
owner may appeal a refused permit or conditions within 30

1535
02:02:48,864 --> 02:02:51,904
days to the Ontario Land tribunal. And if no appeal

1536
02:02:51,944 --> 02:02:55,024
is submitted to a refused permit, the owner can potentially

1537
02:02:55,205 --> 02:02:58,464
submit a revised proposal if they wish. Uh, there are

1538
02:02:58,464 --> 02:03:00,784
other options as well that Staff can want committee through

1539
02:03:01,365 --> 02:03:04,064
if either of the approval or refusal options are not

1540
02:03:04,565 --> 02:03:07,504
the preferred direction of the committee. And I believe Travis

1541
02:03:07,525 --> 02:03:10,864
Sandberg is in attendance to speak to the application as

1542
02:03:10,965 --> 02:03:13,584
the owner. So that concludes my presentation and I'm happy

1543
02:03:13,624 --> 02:03:18,375
answering questions. Thank you. Thank you, Senior Planner Till. For

1544
02:03:18,415 --> 02:03:21,095
that report. Um, before reading in the motion, I'd like

1545
02:03:21,095 --> 02:03:24,295
to ask if anyone in the gallery wishes to address

1546
02:03:24,335 --> 02:03:29,871
the committee. That being the case, uh, Clerk Almas, is

1547
02:03:29,871 --> 02:03:33,217
there anyone online, which is to provide comment. Thank you,

1548
02:03:33,238 --> 02:03:35,617
Chair Beans. We do have Travis Sanberg that would like

1549
02:03:35,657 --> 02:03:39,197
to address the committee. By all means, go ahead. Mr.

1550
02:03:39,318 --> 02:03:48,305
Sandberg. The floor is yours. Thank you, Chair. Um, just

1551
02:03:48,345 --> 02:03:50,705
for the record, my name is Travis Sandberg. I'm the

1552
02:03:50,745 --> 02:03:54,545
manager of Plan Development and Planning at Dun Capital Corporation,

1553
02:03:54,545 --> 02:03:57,585
uh, who is the registered owner of the subject property.

1554
02:03:58,304 --> 02:04:01,223
Um, just going to highlight a couple of points, uh,

1555
02:04:01,223 --> 02:04:05,463
for the, for the committee's consideration on this application. Um,

1556
02:04:05,984 --> 02:04:09,323
as noted by the Staff presentation, the primary purpose of

1557
02:04:09,744 --> 02:04:13,723
this edition is functional in nature. And is intended to

1558
02:04:13,824 --> 02:04:18,043
consolidate the existing storage and refrigeration containers that are on

1559
02:04:18,043 --> 02:04:22,503
the property with a permanent enclosed structure. As a result,

1560
02:04:22,503 --> 02:04:26,663
um, this, this proposed will not create any new public

1561
02:04:27,004 --> 02:04:31,303
proceeding areas within the building, nor will it intensify the

1562
02:04:31,303 --> 02:04:35,152
continued restaurant and accessory brewery use of the property. Um,

1563
02:04:35,253 --> 02:04:38,112
it will also know an alter the existing building facades

1564
02:04:38,533 --> 02:04:42,592
along, uh, Simcoe Street or St. Marie Street. The building's

1565
02:04:42,632 --> 02:04:45,952
overall relationship to those streets nor the features that contribute

1566
02:04:45,973 --> 02:04:50,088
to the character of the Heritage's district. Um, as mentioned

1567
02:04:50,509 --> 02:04:53,848
by Staff, the addition is confined to the southwest corner

1568
02:04:53,888 --> 02:04:56,968
of the property and is set back approximately 22 metres

1569
02:04:57,008 --> 02:05:01,576
from St. Mary Street. Because of its location size and

1570
02:05:01,576 --> 02:05:05,096
massing, the original brick building and its street facing facades

1571
02:05:05,277 --> 02:05:07,416
will continue to be the most prominent parts of the

1572
02:05:07,456 --> 02:05:12,157
property. And the primary contributor to the established streetscape. In

1573
02:05:12,157 --> 02:05:14,797
our view, the application is consistent with the objectives of

1574
02:05:14,797 --> 02:05:18,637
the heritage district plan as it supports the continued adaptive

1575
02:05:18,658 --> 02:05:22,397
reuse and economic viability of the building. It remains clearly

1576
02:05:22,738 --> 02:05:25,597
secondary to the historic portions of the building and has

1577
02:05:25,637 --> 02:05:29,197
limited visibility from the public realm and approves and maintains

1578
02:05:29,218 --> 02:05:32,637
compatibility with the architectural rhythm of the neighbouring buildings and

1579
02:05:32,637 --> 02:05:37,301
streetscape when compared to the existing site condition. Um, to

1580
02:05:37,322 --> 02:05:41,781
speak to the heritage committee's primary concerns being black metal

1581
02:05:41,802 --> 02:05:44,765
cladding, uh, and the continued use of it. Um, and

1582
02:05:45,186 --> 02:05:49,779
it's visibility from St. Marie Street. It's important to recognise

1583
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:54,019
that the heritage district plan does not require additions to

1584
02:05:54,120 --> 02:05:58,179
replicate the designer materials of the original building. And also

1585
02:05:58,280 --> 02:06:03,539
recognises that compatibility can be achieved through appropriate consideration a

1586
02:06:03,539 --> 02:06:08,339
form alignment height massive back architectural features colours and materials.

1587
02:06:10,152 --> 02:06:13,651
It also establishes that new work should remain distinguishable from

1588
02:06:13,832 --> 02:06:17,955
the original heritage fabric. In the case of this proposal,

1589
02:06:17,955 --> 02:06:21,315
the proposed black metal cladding is a continuation of the

1590
02:06:21,315 --> 02:06:24,595
treatment that was previously approved and constructed on the existing

1591
02:06:24,856 --> 02:06:29,875
rear edition and creates a cohesive appearance across the contemporary

1592
02:06:29,976 --> 02:06:32,835
portion of the building while maintaining a clear distinction between

1593
02:06:33,496 --> 02:06:38,164
those and the original portions of the building. By contrast,

1594
02:06:38,204 --> 02:06:41,604
the recommended brick treatment and our view would introduce a

1595
02:06:41,625 --> 02:06:47,074
third type of brick and a fourth exterior material. Excuse

1596
02:06:47,095 --> 02:06:52,754
me. And fourth exterior material to the building, which in

1597
02:06:52,754 --> 02:06:56,354
our view, would create Alaska Cohesive appearance than what is

1598
02:06:56,354 --> 02:07:01,634
proposed. And as well as, uh, the cost considerations relative

1599
02:07:01,634 --> 02:07:05,385
to the intended supporting nature of the structure. While it's

1600
02:07:05,385 --> 02:07:07,945
acknowledged that the addition will be visible when looking directly

1601
02:07:08,526 --> 02:07:11,205
west into the property from the General vicinity of the

1602
02:07:11,246 --> 02:07:15,625
driveway, uh, the existing rear edition is also already visible

1603
02:07:15,726 --> 02:07:19,865
from that viewpoint and the proposal would increase the overall

1604
02:07:19,886 --> 02:07:25,705
visible building fees by only about four metres. We're visible.

1605
02:07:25,705 --> 02:07:29,705
The proposed clouding material would otherwise improve compatibility with the

1606
02:07:29,705 --> 02:07:36,023
streetscape established by Jason Bilans. Beyond that specific viewpoint, the

1607
02:07:36,023 --> 02:07:39,003
addition would continue to have very limited visibility from the

1608
02:07:39,024 --> 02:07:41,963
broader public realm. Uh, it would not form part of

1609
02:07:41,963 --> 02:07:45,703
the primary north - south St. Marie Street Street, nor

1610
02:07:45,744 --> 02:07:48,523
would it compete with the prominents of the original building.

1611
02:07:48,523 --> 02:07:53,031
I supported by the submitted scoped heritage impact assessment. Finally,

1612
02:07:53,052 --> 02:07:56,551
it's also important to compare the proposal of what with

1613
02:07:56,972 --> 02:08:00,711
what the existing condition is on site today. The area

1614
02:08:00,732 --> 02:08:04,951
currently contains storage and refrigeration containers and other exposed service

1615
02:08:04,951 --> 02:08:09,214
functions and areas. Consolidating all of these elements into a

1616
02:08:09,254 --> 02:08:13,854
permanent integrated edition will provide substantial visual and functional improvement

1617
02:08:13,894 --> 02:08:17,787
to the property. With that, it's our review that the

1618
02:08:17,787 --> 02:08:20,907
proposal is consistent with the objectives and policies of the

1619
02:08:21,088 --> 02:08:24,427
heritage district plan in that it supports the continued use

1620
02:08:24,448 --> 02:08:28,267
and viability, the building while improving general compatibility with the

1621
02:08:28,307 --> 02:08:32,427
architectural rhythm of the neighbouring buildings ancestry. And therefore with

1622
02:08:32,427 --> 02:08:35,730
the heritage character of the district. Uh, in conclusion, we

1623
02:08:35,911 --> 02:08:40,050
respectfully request that Council approve the heritage permit application as

1624
02:08:40,090 --> 02:08:45,330
submitted. And as recommended with the conditions by staff, thank

1625
02:08:45,330 --> 02:08:49,850
you. Thank you, Mr. Sanberg, for your presentation. They'll now

1626
02:08:49,850 --> 02:08:54,250
read in the recommendation. That's Staff Report P 2026 -

1627
02:08:54,591 --> 02:08:58,890
21 Heritage Permit Application for Edition at 40 SIMCO Street

1628
02:08:58,991 --> 02:09:04,090
B received. And that Council approve heritage permit application PLHP

1629
02:09:04,911 --> 02:09:10,410
2026 251 for 40 Simple Street subject to the following

1630
02:09:10,511 --> 02:09:13,530
condition. One, that the paint colour of the south side

1631
02:09:13,711 --> 02:09:18,890
bracket, South bracket side, and the West bracket rear elevations

1632
02:09:18,991 --> 02:09:22,810
B in accordance with the town approved heritage colour palette.

1633
02:09:22,810 --> 02:09:26,170
And further, Staff be directed to issue the permit in

1634
02:09:26,170 --> 02:09:29,130
accordance with Council's decision within 90 days of serving the

1635
02:09:29,311 --> 02:09:33,660
applicant with a notice of receipt. Uh, moved by Councillor

1636
02:09:33,700 --> 02:09:40,330
Pott's seconded by Councillor Ring. Questions, comments. To the committee.

1637
02:09:44,915 --> 02:09:47,114
Um, I will make a comment and that is, I'm

1638
02:09:47,114 --> 02:09:51,454
not prepared to support this staff recommendation. Um, I know

1639
02:09:53,235 --> 02:09:57,214
it's more challenging for the developer to use brick rather

1640
02:09:57,214 --> 02:10:03,398
than what heritage committee recommended. But I think we have

1641
02:10:04,859 --> 02:10:10,400
a Heritage Committee that makes recommendations. And a heritage by

1642
02:10:10,440 --> 02:10:13,840
- law that has standards. And I think we should

1643
02:10:13,941 --> 02:10:19,120
adhere to those standards, uh, going forward. So, um, The

1644
02:10:19,160 --> 02:10:22,240
Youth could change if it's a new owner. And I

1645
02:10:22,261 --> 02:10:25,680
accept, uh, the Heritage Committee's recommendations. That's just my own

1646
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:30,662
opinion. But who else wants to speak? First Councillor Perry

1647
02:10:30,923 --> 02:10:34,422
and then Councillor McCulloch. Uh, thank you Councillor Brains. I'm

1648
02:10:34,462 --> 02:10:37,782
supporting this for, I mean, I, I appreciate what the

1649
02:10:37,963 --> 02:10:41,528
Heritage Committee does. It's fantastic work. And I just had

1650
02:10:41,629 --> 02:10:44,808
visitors here from out of town and they were commenting

1651
02:10:44,829 --> 02:10:49,366
on the, uh, our lovely downtown. But I'm looking at

1652
02:10:49,406 --> 02:10:51,846
this building from the site. I mean, at some point

1653
02:10:52,427 --> 02:10:56,166
that red cladding was okayed in 2018, I believe it

1654
02:10:56,206 --> 02:11:05,956
was. And to, to what Mr. Sandberg said, it's going

1655
02:11:05,956 --> 02:11:08,236
to look more chopped up with the red brick. If

1656
02:11:08,236 --> 02:11:10,233
it was red brick all the way around. And the

1657
02:11:10,254 --> 02:11:12,953
sooner we get this building up and running, the better.

1658
02:11:16,075 --> 02:11:21,121
Councillor McCulloch. And then Councillor Dup. Thank you, Chair. Uh,

1659
02:11:21,242 --> 02:11:25,301
I'm, I'm in the same place as Councillor Perry. Someone

1660
02:11:25,301 --> 02:11:27,781
wants to invest in the downtown and have a minimal

1661
02:11:27,821 --> 02:11:30,581
impact on the streetscape. Um, I want to support businesses

1662
02:11:30,581 --> 02:11:34,261
to expand and grow where they can without, um, additional

1663
02:11:34,362 --> 02:11:37,381
red tape. And based on the guidance we're getting from

1664
02:11:37,402 --> 02:11:40,741
staff, they feel that's unacceptable solution as well. So I

1665
02:11:40,741 --> 02:11:50,724
will support this. Councillor Doherty. You're

1666
02:11:50,764 --> 02:11:53,110
still muted. There you are. Yeah. I am sorry. Uh,

1667
02:11:53,771 --> 02:11:57,590
you know what my colleagues have, uh, well enough expressed,

1668
02:11:57,590 --> 02:12:01,110
uh, my feelings on the recommendations. So, uh, I will

1669
02:12:01,451 --> 02:12:09,370
support staff's recommendation on this one. Thank you. And I

1670
02:12:09,471 --> 02:12:12,970
agree with, uh, comments of my, uh, colleagues here on

1671
02:12:13,010 --> 02:12:15,930
Council. And I'll also say, you know, with the same

1672
02:12:16,111 --> 02:12:20,010
extension of the Colour Treatment and the cleaning up of

1673
02:12:20,191 --> 02:12:24,010
that really unsightly storage at buying the building, this is

1674
02:12:24,031 --> 02:12:27,110
really a win - win for the community. And, uh,

1675
02:12:27,151 --> 02:12:32,230
I do appreciate the Heritage Committee's thoughts on this, uh,

1676
02:12:32,271 --> 02:12:36,010
and maybe if their view had been, uh, the right,

1677
02:12:36,010 --> 02:12:37,610
you know, if this red brick had been part of

1678
02:12:37,650 --> 02:12:42,150
the 2018 edition, it would be a different situation. But

1679
02:12:42,150 --> 02:12:44,970
I feel this is the best for now. Thank you.

1680
02:12:49,353 --> 02:12:54,678
All those in favor. Opposed. Carried. We'll now move on

1681
02:12:54,859 --> 02:13:00,678
to the next item, which is 7. 2. 3 IN

1682
02:13:00,699 --> 02:13:07,318
2026 - 10 Eden Oak Brackett McNabb. Indigo Estates subdivision

1683
02:13:07,419 --> 02:13:13,478
assumption. I will ask Director Alcoca to start opening remarks.

1684
02:13:13,478 --> 02:13:15,398
And then I'm assuming he's handing it off to a

1685
02:13:15,438 --> 02:13:21,654
manager Liol. Well, thank you, Chair. I have the pleasure

1686
02:13:21,755 --> 02:13:25,824
of not having any stuff support today. So I will

1687
02:13:25,864 --> 02:13:30,144
start with my speaking notes about the report. Eden Hawk

1688
02:13:30,165 --> 02:13:37,504
McNabb Indigo Estate Subdivision. The report before Council. Specifically about

1689
02:13:37,685 --> 02:13:41,184
the assumption of the Municipal Infrastructure within the Eden Orc,

1690
02:13:41,184 --> 02:13:46,161
Bhaknab Indigo Estate Subdivision. The subdivisions located east of our

1691
02:13:46,201 --> 02:13:51,552
entire street. North of Hamilton Dwayne Trail, west of the

1692
02:13:52,533 --> 02:13:56,032
trail and south of Lockhart Road. The town entered into

1693
02:13:56,213 --> 02:14:00,272
a subdivision agreement with Eden Hawk, McNab Inc. in January

1694
02:14:00,773 --> 02:14:06,218
2019. And the development includes 261 single - family homes

1695
02:14:07,039 --> 02:14:14,014
and 120 Town House units across two phases. Foremost, I

1696
02:14:14,075 --> 02:14:17,414
want to acknowledge that this subdivision has a history of

1697
02:14:17,755 --> 02:14:22,934
concerns raised by neighbouring residents, particularly during construction period. Those

1698
02:14:23,275 --> 02:14:28,975
concerns include the drainage and grading impacts. Sediment migration and

1699
02:14:28,975 --> 02:14:34,575
erosion, sewer flushing. The remover or alteration of agricultural tile

1700
02:14:34,676 --> 02:14:43,029
drains. Really are drainage issues and concerns related to retaining

1701
02:14:43,210 --> 02:14:48,526
all fencing and interface with the existing neighbourhood. Those concerns

1702
02:14:48,867 --> 02:14:53,185
were taken seriously. And resulted in considerable review and follow

1703
02:14:53,206 --> 02:14:57,825
- up by Townstaff, the developer and its consultant, including

1704
02:14:58,086 --> 02:15:04,065
additional engineering review and independent peer reviewer appropriate. Corrective measures

1705
02:15:04,326 --> 02:15:09,565
were also undertaking during construction where issues were identified. The

1706
02:15:09,846 --> 02:15:14,865
important distinction for Council today is between issues experience during

1707
02:15:14,905 --> 02:15:20,785
construction and development process. And whether the completed municipal infrastructure

1708
02:15:20,886 --> 02:15:26,081
now satisfies the requirement for the assumption. The Municipal Infrastructure

1709
02:15:26,182 --> 02:15:30,631
proports for the assumption includes the roads. Water and sanitary

1710
02:15:30,671 --> 02:15:33,671
infrastructure within the Minister of a Right Away and the

1711
02:15:33,772 --> 02:15:38,611
stormwater management facilities. The subdivision has now been completed. And

1712
02:15:38,611 --> 02:15:43,431
the Municipal Works have been inspected. Staff are satisfied that

1713
02:15:43,452 --> 02:15:47,591
the infrastructure has been constructed in accordance with the approved

1714
02:15:47,631 --> 02:15:51,271
designs. And then according to the Town Standars and the

1715
02:15:51,271 --> 02:15:56,071
requirements of the subdivision agreement. Staff have not identified any

1716
02:15:56,172 --> 02:16:01,948
outstanding municipal infrastructure deficiency. That would prevent assumption. There have

1717
02:16:01,948 --> 02:16:06,028
also been more recent concerns regarding landscaping. Threes and other

1718
02:16:06,068 --> 02:16:12,602
features within some really hard range is months. These strange

1719
02:16:12,623 --> 02:16:16,362
swayers are located on private property. And are protected by

1720
02:16:16,703 --> 02:16:20,922
easements to maintain their dange function. They are distinct from

1721
02:16:21,023 --> 02:16:24,762
the municipal infrastructure that Council is being asked to assume.

1722
02:16:25,844 --> 02:16:31,343
Staff have not identified evidence that the complete administrative drainage

1723
02:16:31,383 --> 02:16:38,143
infrastructure is presently failing to perform as designed. We're an

1724
02:16:38,143 --> 02:16:41,263
obstruction or alteration within the range isn't at main to

1725
02:16:41,284 --> 02:16:45,023
Finterfeel with the drainage in the future. The town remains

1726
02:16:45,924 --> 02:16:50,741
the Taudritz mechanisms. To require that the easement and strange

1727
02:16:50,781 --> 02:16:55,317
function be maintained. Some of our trees were replaced during

1728
02:16:55,338 --> 02:17:00,189
the summer of 2026, earlier this summer. And the tunnel

1729
02:17:00,229 --> 02:17:03,789
continued to hold that property securities through the applicable landscaping

1730
02:17:03,890 --> 02:17:08,625
or on T period. Upon Council approving the assumption, the

1731
02:17:08,746 --> 02:17:13,125
time will formally take ownership and ongoing maintenance responsibility for

1732
02:17:13,226 --> 02:17:19,045
the municipal roads. In ground infrastructure and stormwater management facilities,

1733
02:17:19,045 --> 02:17:22,325
the remaining allegeable securities can then be released in accordance

1734
02:17:22,365 --> 02:17:28,005
with the subdivision agreement and coordinated through development engineering. The

1735
02:17:28,186 --> 02:17:32,565
town has also taken lessons from the experience of this

1736
02:17:32,605 --> 02:17:37,525
development. Issues identified through the construction, inspection and follow -

1737
02:17:37,525 --> 02:17:41,285
up process have helped inform updates to our engineering and

1738
02:17:41,386 --> 02:17:46,161
development standards and practices. With the objective of improving the

1739
02:17:46,161 --> 02:17:50,801
range, grading construction oversight, construction of our site and the

1740
02:17:51,302 --> 02:17:56,001
interface between new development and existing neighbourhoods on future projects.

1741
02:17:56,102 --> 02:18:00,961
Accordingly, while we acknowledge the history of the subdivision and

1742
02:18:01,062 --> 02:18:05,281
the concern raised by neighbouring residents, the recommendation before Council

1743
02:18:05,321 --> 02:18:09,601
is based on condition, compliance and readiness of the completed

1744
02:18:10,102 --> 02:18:14,580
municipal works for assumption. On that basis, Staff is recommending

1745
02:18:14,580 --> 02:18:19,460
that Council approved the assumption of the municipal infrastructure and

1746
02:18:19,481 --> 02:18:25,135
then acted required assumption by law. Thank you. Thank you,

1747
02:18:25,135 --> 02:18:29,295
Director Alcoka for that detailed response in support of this

1748
02:18:29,335 --> 02:18:33,615
recommendation. Uh, there being no one from the public in

1749
02:18:33,615 --> 02:18:37,375
the gallery to call upon. I will ask the clerk,

1750
02:18:38,276 --> 02:18:40,335
there either way. Okay. I will read in this recommendation

1751
02:18:41,476 --> 02:18:45,215
and then accept comments from Staff and questions. Recommendation that

1752
02:18:45,316 --> 02:18:50,175
Staff Report IN 2026 - 10, Eden Oake, bracket McNabb,

1753
02:18:50,175 --> 02:18:55,055
indigo estate's subdivision assumption be received. And that Council approved

1754
02:18:55,095 --> 02:18:58,415
the assumption of all infrastructure works within the Eden Oak

1755
02:18:58,455 --> 02:19:02,575
bracket, McNabb, indigo states subdivision that were intended for municipal

1756
02:19:02,575 --> 02:19:07,135
ownership as identified in this report. And that Council NX

1757
02:19:07,876 --> 02:19:10,895
and pass, a bylaw to assume the roads and infrastructure

1758
02:19:11,236 --> 02:19:17,135
within the Eden Oak bracket McNabb indigo estate's subdivision. Moved

1759
02:19:17,135 --> 02:19:24,864
by. Who will move this motion. The Mayor will, who

1760
02:19:24,864 --> 02:19:32,277
will second this. Councillor McCunlor, sorry, McCulloch. That being the

1761
02:19:32,277 --> 02:19:38,117
case, questions to staff. Councillor Potts. Thanks Chairman. I guess

1762
02:19:39,258 --> 02:19:42,597
the area that I'm concerned about the most here would

1763
02:19:42,637 --> 02:19:44,997
be the properties that are the, at the back of

1764
02:19:45,258 --> 02:19:49,717
Brock Crescent and the, uh, drainage easement. How is it

1765
02:19:49,717 --> 02:19:53,637
acceptable when I see photos of wooden deck structures and

1766
02:19:53,658 --> 02:19:57,797
trees planted and all kinds of things that would really

1767
02:19:57,797 --> 02:20:01,602
interfere in this house is acceptable to be passed. And

1768
02:20:01,642 --> 02:20:04,482
to be allowed, especially, I guess, within the drain achievement

1769
02:20:04,983 --> 02:20:07,722
or like, so where does Act Community fact? Because I

1770
02:20:07,722 --> 02:20:11,362
know even a few years back, there was, uh, there

1771
02:20:11,402 --> 02:20:15,202
was things that were put into place from homeowners in

1772
02:20:15,202 --> 02:20:18,722
the new subdivision that were actually removed and corrected because

1773
02:20:18,743 --> 02:20:21,762
they were in the easement area or the drainage area.

1774
02:20:21,762 --> 02:20:23,602
And then now this has been allowed. So how, how

1775
02:20:23,642 --> 02:20:30,817
does that get past or be accepted. Torture the chair,

1776
02:20:30,817 --> 02:20:38,097
as I indicated earlier in my speaking, notes that this

1777
02:20:38,118 --> 02:20:41,457
backyard is meant for the swale are on the private

1778
02:20:41,497 --> 02:20:45,039
property. They're not being assumed by the town. Uh, the

1779
02:20:45,039 --> 02:20:47,759
assumption is for the roads, the infrastructure that's within the

1780
02:20:47,759 --> 02:20:51,738
road and the store motor management facilities. The owner has

1781
02:20:51,778 --> 02:20:54,458
a responsibility to maintain that easement and the easmouth is

1782
02:20:54,498 --> 02:20:58,893
on their title. If they interfere with the drainage function,

1783
02:20:58,893 --> 02:21:01,773
we have the ability to go and have them corrected.

1784
02:21:02,835 --> 02:21:05,774
That is not the responsibility to develop. The developer has

1785
02:21:05,814 --> 02:21:10,585
completed the design. As it was approved. The homeowner is

1786
02:21:10,625 --> 02:21:14,665
ignoring the easement regulation and adding infrastructure. And we will

1787
02:21:14,665 --> 02:21:19,947
deal with those separately. The part. Three chair. So if

1788
02:21:19,947 --> 02:21:23,787
I'm a homeowner on Brock Crescent and you have a

1789
02:21:23,787 --> 02:21:26,187
new development behind you and they don't abide by the

1790
02:21:26,368 --> 02:21:33,221
drainage. And something, God forbid there would be a problem,

1791
02:21:33,221 --> 02:21:38,101
which I can see there will be. Then like at

1792
02:21:38,101 --> 02:21:40,741
what point is there not like, I mean, this just

1793
02:21:40,741 --> 02:21:42,901
seems to be kind of a it's done. And then

1794
02:21:42,901 --> 02:21:45,621
we know that there would be almost impossible to get

1795
02:21:45,722 --> 02:21:48,661
anything corrected moving forward on it. So like to me

1796
02:21:49,162 --> 02:21:51,381
and, you know, going back to years, maybe two and

1797
02:21:51,381 --> 02:21:54,181
a half years ago, the town was involved with the

1798
02:21:54,221 --> 02:21:58,501
drainage infrastructure for the stormwater drainage at that point. What

1799
02:21:58,522 --> 02:22:01,301
would be any different now than it's the homeowner's responsibility?

1800
02:22:01,301 --> 02:22:05,541
I mean, uh, I drainage, uh, if it's stormwater infrastructure

1801
02:22:05,882 --> 02:22:08,901
to me, it shouldn't be interfered and there should be

1802
02:22:09,562 --> 02:22:13,021
at some point the town should be stepping in. It

1803
02:22:13,021 --> 02:22:15,141
shouldn't be put to the new owner. This is going

1804
02:22:15,141 --> 02:22:17,781
to cause nothing but problems. I can see it. There's

1805
02:22:17,802 --> 02:22:21,141
been drainage issues in this area for years. There was

1806
02:22:21,162 --> 02:22:23,781
infrastructure that was put in to brought Crescent from that

1807
02:22:23,821 --> 02:22:27,781
area before the subdivision was there. And I think it's,

1808
02:22:27,781 --> 02:22:30,261
uh, I just think this is going to be nothing

1809
02:22:30,442 --> 02:22:33,861
but a nightmare. So just simply for the on the

1810
02:22:33,882 --> 02:22:37,281
on the point of this, uh, with this drainage, the

1811
02:22:37,281 --> 02:22:40,181
way this is, even whether it's related or not, I

1812
02:22:40,202 --> 02:22:45,546
couldn't, I can't support the assumption. Rotts, uh, Councillor Doherty.

1813
02:22:53,757 --> 02:22:58,536
Uh, thank you, Chair. Um, I also have, uh, some

1814
02:22:58,717 --> 02:23:04,776
concern about, uh, accepting, um, this staff recommendation in its

1815
02:23:04,776 --> 02:23:09,865
entirety. And, uh, I just, I want to get just

1816
02:23:09,966 --> 02:23:18,185
confirmation, uh, what, um, Director Alcoca described as, uh, Eastman

1817
02:23:18,446 --> 02:23:25,201
drainage easements. So is that, uh, to confirm through you

1818
02:23:25,241 --> 02:23:30,321
chair to Director Alcoca. So the easement is on title

1819
02:23:31,462 --> 02:23:38,477
to the homeowners. Property. Is that correct? Well, the chair,

1820
02:23:38,477 --> 02:23:48,179
yes, to my understanding. Thank you. So it seems to

1821
02:23:48,179 --> 02:23:56,819
me that, uh, you know, we're. Without acknowledging that this

1822
02:23:57,160 --> 02:24:02,664
eastment is here for a reason. Uh, it seems to

1823
02:24:02,664 --> 02:24:06,264
me that down the road, we may very well be

1824
02:24:06,685 --> 02:24:11,624
asking for trouble, uh, I, uh, also was, uh, sent

1825
02:24:12,045 --> 02:24:17,784
some photographs, uh, from a resident on Brock Street showing

1826
02:24:17,805 --> 02:24:22,964
that, uh, in the very place where the easement, um,

1827
02:24:24,045 --> 02:24:31,058
is that plantings have been put in place. Now these

1828
02:24:31,239 --> 02:24:36,658
plantings may not be interfering at all with the function,

1829
02:24:36,658 --> 02:24:41,035
uh, of the drainage. There today. But down the road

1830
02:24:41,536 --> 02:24:46,838
as those trees mature. Uh, they may very well have

1831
02:24:47,259 --> 02:24:54,249
a very significant impact. And the town has already assumed

1832
02:24:54,350 --> 02:25:03,010
it. Going to be that the homeowners on Brock Street

1833
02:25:03,191 --> 02:25:07,680
will be left holding the bag. If there is a

1834
02:25:07,701 --> 02:25:17,053
flooding issue. Actile Coco. Threw the chair

1835
02:25:17,554 --> 02:25:24,471
to Councillor D. Again, the focus on the infrastructure that

1836
02:25:24,572 --> 02:25:28,671
was built for the development, which has been completed. We

1837
02:25:28,671 --> 02:25:32,711
are not assuming the backyards. The soyers in the backyards

1838
02:25:32,892 --> 02:25:36,631
are there and there is men. The owners are ultimately

1839
02:25:36,732 --> 02:25:41,111
responsible to maintain that opening. If there is obstructions and

1840
02:25:41,111 --> 02:25:45,431
you mentioned, please. And in fact, we had Staff inspect

1841
02:25:46,252 --> 02:25:50,311
those backyards with some of the platin trees. And as

1842
02:25:50,311 --> 02:25:52,711
far as the engines are concerned, they are not an

1843
02:25:52,711 --> 02:25:58,711
obstacle to drainage anytime soon. Uh, again, we're not assuming

1844
02:25:58,892 --> 02:26:02,451
the backyards. We're assuming the infrastructure within the road, uh,

1845
02:26:02,652 --> 02:26:06,071
the easement is there for its purpose. And the range

1846
02:26:06,252 --> 02:26:11,351
would be monitored by staff. If any obstructions that would

1847
02:26:11,351 --> 02:26:13,591
cause it, then it would be addressed through the easement

1848
02:26:14,892 --> 02:26:24,135
rights at the town has. Follow up. Yes. Uh, so

1849
02:26:24,956 --> 02:26:30,775
I've seen this, uh, issue emerge, uh, before, even in

1850
02:26:30,815 --> 02:26:36,855
my own, uh, neighbourhood where over the years, uh, residents

1851
02:26:37,116 --> 02:26:41,415
have interfered, uh, with a drainage adjusement, uh, having the

1852
02:26:41,455 --> 02:26:48,135
impact of, um, causing, uh, pooling of water on surrounding

1853
02:26:48,316 --> 02:26:57,627
properties. So it seems to me that it might be,

1854
02:26:57,627 --> 02:27:05,295
uh. Well advised. For the town to issue a letter

1855
02:27:05,796 --> 02:27:12,175
to those residents on whose property, the easement is today

1856
02:27:14,116 --> 02:27:20,095
just to remind them that this is an easement in

1857
02:27:20,095 --> 02:27:24,975
favor of the town. And these are the reasons why.

1858
02:27:24,975 --> 02:27:29,695
And should down the road. There be some, uh, significant

1859
02:27:30,036 --> 02:27:36,902
interference that, that, uh, impedes the functionality. That it will

1860
02:27:36,923 --> 02:27:46,516
be that homeowner's responsibility to rectify. And I'm

1861
02:27:46,516 --> 02:27:53,076
wondering, I guess I would put that question through you,

1862
02:27:53,076 --> 02:27:56,916
uh, the, the clerk as our guide of all things

1863
02:27:57,257 --> 02:28:01,396
legal, uh, if that is something that the town could

1864
02:28:01,436 --> 02:28:05,556
do. And not only for the assumption of, of this

1865
02:28:06,057 --> 02:28:11,556
new development or the infrastructure, but going forward, where whenever

1866
02:28:12,297 --> 02:28:17,636
the town is putting easements that, uh, are then left

1867
02:28:19,177 --> 02:28:28,095
to individual property owners. And we walk away. Kirk almost.

1868
02:28:28,095 --> 02:28:34,470
And then back to the director. Thank you. Um, I'd

1869
02:28:34,470 --> 02:28:36,790
hesitate to comment on this one. Um, as this is

1870
02:28:36,830 --> 02:28:38,710
staying at the Committee, The Whole Loveland will be coming

1871
02:28:38,750 --> 02:28:42,390
back on September the 14th for approval. I think we

1872
02:28:42,390 --> 02:28:45,750
can put, uh, confirmation in the amendments of what could

1873
02:28:45,931 --> 02:28:50,105
and couldn't be included in that. Thank you. Director Alcoco,

1874
02:28:50,105 --> 02:28:53,914
do you have anything further? Just add to this. So

1875
02:28:53,935 --> 02:28:57,514
that I was contemplating something with two similar to the

1876
02:28:57,514 --> 02:29:04,634
Councillor Dorty is proposing. As a reminder, it's not unusual.

1877
02:29:04,634 --> 02:29:07,034
We have done it before where we've sent letters to

1878
02:29:07,055 --> 02:29:10,474
property owners reminding them of their obligation, either under the

1879
02:29:10,655 --> 02:29:13,354
drainage act or certain bylaws. So this is something that

1880
02:29:14,255 --> 02:29:17,574
is part of the communication. So it is possible. But

1881
02:29:17,574 --> 02:29:21,075
we need to do it in the right envelope. Thank

1882
02:29:21,075 --> 02:29:26,275
you. Um, Councillor Dort, he anything further to ask at

1883
02:29:26,315 --> 02:29:29,844
this point. Thank you. Uh, and I would be very

1884
02:29:30,185 --> 02:29:35,698
supportive of that. Um, and I'm glad that, uh, Director

1885
02:29:35,879 --> 02:29:39,737
Alcoka has flagged that as an opportunity. And I'm wondering

1886
02:29:39,838 --> 02:29:45,557
if, uh, I could actually introduce, uh, an amendment, uh,

1887
02:29:45,557 --> 02:29:51,737
to the motion, uh, whereby, uh, staff would commit to

1888
02:29:51,918 --> 02:29:57,977
that correspondence with, uh, those property owners, uh, that have

1889
02:29:58,017 --> 02:30:03,049
that drainage agent on their properties today. Uh, I'm not

1890
02:30:03,089 --> 02:30:05,449
sure you can, but the, I think the clerk was

1891
02:30:05,470 --> 02:30:08,569
signalling that perhaps when it comes back on September the

1892
02:30:08,569 --> 02:30:13,095
14th, that might be the appropriate time. Or am I

1893
02:30:13,095 --> 02:30:18,582
reading. Do you're raised eyebrows there? Thank you through the

1894
02:30:18,582 --> 02:30:21,462
chair. If the Councillor would like to do an amendment

1895
02:30:21,502 --> 02:30:24,342
now, the amendment can go through and then should we

1896
02:30:24,382 --> 02:30:27,062
not be able to satisfy that when it comes back

1897
02:30:27,102 --> 02:30:29,207
to Council, then we'll include that in the report. Thank

1898
02:30:29,247 --> 02:30:34,960
you. Does that satisfy you Councillor George. Uh, yes, please.

1899
02:30:35,000 --> 02:30:39,680
Yes. So that I would introduce that amendment, uh, and

1900
02:30:39,720 --> 02:30:45,280
it would be an end that, uh, Council Direct staffs,

1901
02:30:45,280 --> 02:30:50,640
uh, correspond, uh, with property owners, uh, on which an

1902
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:57,920
evening, an easement, uh, register. Yeah. The clerk will be

1903
02:30:57,920 --> 02:31:00,960
way better at this than me anyway. Uh, on which

1904
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:04,240
an easement has been registered to remind them that it

1905
02:31:04,280 --> 02:31:09,360
is their, uh, that it is their responsibility to keep

1906
02:31:09,461 --> 02:31:15,912
it opening and functional. Councillor Doherty moves this amendment. Who

1907
02:31:15,912 --> 02:31:19,132
seconds it actually go to the mayor because I think

1908
02:31:19,172 --> 02:31:24,097
she wanted to speak about this as well. Paul seconded

1909
02:31:24,097 --> 02:31:29,929
as well. Um. I have a few comments, uh, the

1910
02:31:29,929 --> 02:31:32,889
problem is a nuanced one. So the first part of

1911
02:31:32,910 --> 02:31:38,187
it is, uh, should we. Pass a bylaw to assume

1912
02:31:38,608 --> 02:31:45,068
the infrastructure here. And my view is that we should.

1913
02:31:45,068 --> 02:31:47,068
I share all the concerns that have been raised about

1914
02:31:47,169 --> 02:31:52,828
the rear drainage. But in fact, the, the developer who,

1915
02:31:52,828 --> 02:31:55,468
you know, the developer has sold the land to the

1916
02:31:55,508 --> 02:31:58,668
owner of, let's just have any home there, right? So

1917
02:31:58,708 --> 02:32:02,108
the land, um, and the easement's been given to the

1918
02:32:02,209 --> 02:32:06,261
town. The developer can't now go back into that property

1919
02:32:07,002 --> 02:32:09,941
and do anything on the land that's in this way.

1920
02:32:09,941 --> 02:32:15,461
He wouldn't have any right. So if we don't pass

1921
02:32:15,642 --> 02:32:20,501
the assumption by law, um, nothing will happen there. We

1922
02:32:20,762 --> 02:32:24,021
won't get the services. We're supposed to and the developer

1923
02:32:24,042 --> 02:32:29,328
can't go in and fix it. I have been on

1924
02:32:29,429 --> 02:32:34,128
this issue now for a number of years at Council.

1925
02:32:34,128 --> 02:32:37,808
Because this isn't the first subdivision where this has been

1926
02:32:37,848 --> 02:32:40,848
a problem. And I've had numerous discussions with staff about

1927
02:32:40,949 --> 02:32:45,139
it. It's a very. I would, I think the advantage

1928
02:32:45,179 --> 02:32:49,299
to the developer is he can have all he or

1929
02:32:49,299 --> 02:32:52,339
she can have all the drainage, uh, from the back

1930
02:32:52,379 --> 02:32:54,019
part of the house. Go to the back of the

1931
02:32:54,019 --> 02:32:57,859
house. No pipes are required. And don't you know each

1932
02:32:58,200 --> 02:33:01,699
homeowner looks after the drainage from his neighbour. And if

1933
02:33:01,739 --> 02:33:04,899
he doesn't care to and decides to build structures and

1934
02:33:04,899 --> 02:33:07,539
so on, we have maya may ham and bad things

1935
02:33:07,640 --> 02:33:11,859
happening. So I am not in favor one bit of

1936
02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:17,762
these rear drainage swales. They're nothing but a nuisance. And

1937
02:33:17,802 --> 02:33:20,402
I know as recently as a couple of years ago,

1938
02:33:20,402 --> 02:33:22,642
they were still being put in in a new subdivision

1939
02:33:22,743 --> 02:33:26,322
in town. Um, I know this, I know that the

1940
02:33:26,503 --> 02:33:30,242
development engineering standards are being updated. This is the kind

1941
02:33:30,263 --> 02:33:32,962
of thing that would be addressed in there. I believe

1942
02:33:33,143 --> 02:33:36,402
those will be coming to Council at some point and

1943
02:33:36,442 --> 02:33:40,283
we'll have a chance to see what's in there. Um.

1944
02:33:41,207 --> 02:33:44,706
So I would say I am very much an agreement

1945
02:33:44,807 --> 02:33:48,466
with a letter going to these homeowners, uh, I think

1946
02:33:48,567 --> 02:33:52,546
the problem is bigger and that we need to be

1947
02:33:53,127 --> 02:33:58,066
communicating to every property that has these drainage swales of

1948
02:33:58,106 --> 02:34:02,466
their responsibilities. The problem also is, as I understand it,

1949
02:34:02,466 --> 02:34:06,781
that the town didn't even used to take easements. So

1950
02:34:07,042 --> 02:34:09,421
right now I think if there's an issue, if we

1951
02:34:09,421 --> 02:34:11,181
have an easement, we can go in and clean it

1952
02:34:11,221 --> 02:34:14,381
up if we had to, if there's mayhem and chaos

1953
02:34:14,421 --> 02:34:17,901
happening. But in the older ones, there weren't even easements

1954
02:34:17,941 --> 02:34:20,381
taken. And I was a big proponent of Eastmans being

1955
02:34:20,402 --> 02:34:25,021
taken. And anyway, now we have easements. So this is

1956
02:34:25,021 --> 02:34:28,221
an evolving situation in our community. Um, and I'm hoping

1957
02:34:28,242 --> 02:34:32,301
it will be one that disappears. And so just to

1958
02:34:32,962 --> 02:34:35,501
recap, I think we don't have any choice, but to

1959
02:34:35,541 --> 02:34:39,821
assume the subdivision council's will vote as they wish to,

1960
02:34:39,821 --> 02:34:43,261
uh, but we need to address the, um, issue here.

1961
02:34:43,261 --> 02:34:45,981
And I would even, uh, when we're finished with the

1962
02:34:46,002 --> 02:34:50,061
amendment, uh, proposed, uh, by Councillor Doherty is to add

1963
02:34:50,082 --> 02:34:53,661
a further one, uh, asking staff to report back on

1964
02:34:53,682 --> 02:34:57,501
how we can communicate with every homeowner, how we best

1965
02:34:57,541 --> 02:35:00,621
communicate with every homeowner that has adrenous well in our

1966
02:35:00,621 --> 02:35:08,441
community about their responsibilities. Thank you. No, no, no. I

1967
02:35:08,441 --> 02:35:09,921
just said we were supposed to be commenting on the

1968
02:35:09,942 --> 02:35:12,881
amendment of the letters. So good point. Thank you for

1969
02:35:12,902 --> 02:35:15,601
pointing that out to me. Uh, are you making a

1970
02:35:15,601 --> 02:35:18,100
comment on the amendment. No, not till the next one.

1971
02:35:18,201 --> 02:35:22,060
No, I'm speaking to Councillor Pots. Thanks Chairmans. This is

1972
02:35:22,060 --> 02:35:24,260
just in regard. It could be a part where the

1973
02:35:24,281 --> 02:35:28,260
letters to the homeowners, but in those backyards, is there

1974
02:35:28,361 --> 02:35:33,540
underground piping or catch basins in that vicinity of stretch

1975
02:35:34,121 --> 02:35:37,300
along the back of Brock Crescent. There's called cash basis.

1976
02:35:40,134 --> 02:35:43,473
Director Alcocum. So the chair. I'm, I may have to

1977
02:35:43,473 --> 02:35:49,587
go confirm, but I don't think so. Through you chair.

1978
02:35:49,587 --> 02:35:51,987
I would like to have that updated information because it's

1979
02:35:52,168 --> 02:35:56,147
my understanding that there is. And there is pipe underground.

1980
02:35:56,147 --> 02:35:58,067
So my first question in my last question would be

1981
02:35:58,888 --> 02:36:02,147
who maintained, how do we maintain it if it's there?

1982
02:36:02,147 --> 02:36:05,507
And it would be basically within the easements, the trees

1983
02:36:05,547 --> 02:36:09,347
planted, the wood structures. And it comes to, we all

1984
02:36:09,347 --> 02:36:12,147
know tree roots down the road. We all know we

1985
02:36:12,187 --> 02:36:15,587
need access. So I don't know how the important part

1986
02:36:15,608 --> 02:36:19,107
would be is there infrastructure in the ground there. Whether

1987
02:36:19,107 --> 02:36:21,027
we send letters to homeowners or not, we all know

1988
02:36:21,067 --> 02:36:23,987
how that's going to go. Probably wouldn't be any consequences

1989
02:36:24,808 --> 02:36:26,547
or whatever that would follow up with it. So that

1990
02:36:26,587 --> 02:36:29,667
would almost be a way to time in my opinion.

1991
02:36:29,667 --> 02:36:32,947
We need to understand if there's access to it to

1992
02:36:32,987 --> 02:36:39,261
maintain it. Yeah. Well different, I will confirm to make

1993
02:36:39,261 --> 02:36:44,461
sure that we're giving you proper information. And speaking as

1994
02:36:44,461 --> 02:36:47,821
a resident who lived in a home with a catch

1995
02:36:47,821 --> 02:36:50,792
basin in the backyard for years. Uh, the east month

1996
02:36:50,792 --> 02:36:53,752
is on title, the town or the city has the

1997
02:36:53,752 --> 02:36:57,592
right to inform me, come actually sometimes without informing me,

1998
02:36:57,592 --> 02:37:00,552
uh, if there's an emergency, because that's what the easmuth

1999
02:37:00,552 --> 02:37:04,052
is for and have access to the catch basin, uh,

2000
02:37:04,253 --> 02:37:08,228
and, and clean it if they have to. Just one

2001
02:37:08,268 --> 02:37:10,788
last comment for you, Chair. All great. If you have

2002
02:37:10,788 --> 02:37:14,308
a catch basin or an area that you can access,

2003
02:37:14,308 --> 02:37:16,228
but from what I see on the proof of photos

2004
02:37:16,489 --> 02:37:19,328
that's been provided to me five years from now, you

2005
02:37:19,328 --> 02:37:23,397
won't be accessing these catch basins or pipe. Trees plantings

2006
02:37:23,978 --> 02:37:26,677
wood structures. It's not going to happen. So that's a,

2007
02:37:26,717 --> 02:37:29,077
so that's what I'm saying is if there is infrastructure

2008
02:37:29,178 --> 02:37:32,597
that's in the ground drainage swales may be of a

2009
02:37:32,637 --> 02:37:38,397
different thing with basically surface grading and surface drainage. If

2010
02:37:38,397 --> 02:37:41,557
there's infrastructure that's buried underground that needs to be maintained

2011
02:37:41,898 --> 02:37:44,117
and access, you have to have the access to be

2012
02:37:44,117 --> 02:37:49,081
able to be there. And I don't see it. Track

2013
02:37:49,081 --> 02:37:51,161
draw Cocoa and then I'll go to the deputy mayor.

2014
02:37:52,546 --> 02:37:56,525
Just one last comment. The easement by its virtue gives

2015
02:37:56,525 --> 02:37:59,515
us access. We have to go and give you from

2016
02:37:59,515 --> 02:38:03,999
my experience and other positions I held. That is right

2017
02:38:04,020 --> 02:38:08,079
for us as a town to access and perform the

2018
02:38:08,100 --> 02:38:11,999
task that we deem necessarily to get the range going.

2019
02:38:11,999 --> 02:38:15,279
And, uh, I had to tell homeowners to remove sheds

2020
02:38:15,279 --> 02:38:19,919
that they had for 50 years because legally it's not

2021
02:38:19,959 --> 02:38:22,719
allowed. And the easement gives you that right. So the

2022
02:38:22,740 --> 02:38:26,479
town has the full light to go and access and

2023
02:38:26,519 --> 02:38:29,599
ensure that the infrastructure is as intended to be and

2024
02:38:29,599 --> 02:38:32,779
any violation be removed at the one who's expense. And

2025
02:38:33,380 --> 02:38:36,879
in our letter or eventual letter, we can explain that.

2026
02:38:36,879 --> 02:38:39,159
And like I said, the easement is our access. We

2027
02:38:39,159 --> 02:38:43,056
have access to the property when we want to. Thank

2028
02:38:43,056 --> 02:38:48,816
you. Um, finish depuis Mayor. Uh, thank you Chair Beans.

2029
02:38:48,816 --> 02:38:51,696
Um, I, I, I'm, I'm not going to support it.

2030
02:38:51,877 --> 02:38:54,416
It's committee of the whole. Maybe when we see the

2031
02:38:54,437 --> 02:38:57,456
additional information on the 14th, I'll be able to put

2032
02:38:57,496 --> 02:39:03,936
it forward. But are you talking to the amendment? So,

2033
02:39:03,957 --> 02:39:07,776
so I'll, I'll speak to the letter first then. Okay.

2034
02:39:08,757 --> 02:39:12,816
You're correct. Council Jeffrey, I got off track there. And,

2035
02:39:12,816 --> 02:39:17,536
uh, The fact that, uh, I'll support the sending of

2036
02:39:17,576 --> 02:39:20,016
a letter and then go from there and I'll speak

2037
02:39:20,016 --> 02:39:24,037
to the full motion then after that. Great. Councillor Ring

2038
02:39:24,378 --> 02:39:26,437
and then we'll bring this to a conclusion. Thank you

2039
02:39:26,477 --> 02:39:32,677
very much cheer brains. Um, I agree with Councillor Potts

2040
02:39:32,717 --> 02:39:35,797
with the concerns whether it's ever going to amount to

2041
02:39:35,837 --> 02:39:38,677
anything. But I think in our, in our best interest

2042
02:39:38,677 --> 02:39:42,917
for due diligence, uh, accepting this amendment to the motion

2043
02:39:43,178 --> 02:39:45,877
is, is not a bad thing to do. We've done

2044
02:39:46,058 --> 02:39:48,597
our due diligence. We've sent them the letter at least

2045
02:39:48,698 --> 02:39:51,157
we're notifying them that we know that there could be

2046
02:39:51,157 --> 02:39:55,397
an issue there. And as, uh, as, as Director Alcohol

2047
02:39:55,437 --> 02:39:57,957
said, uh, we still have the right to go in.

2048
02:39:57,957 --> 02:40:00,437
And if we have to, to do the maintenance, although

2049
02:40:00,437 --> 02:40:04,197
I can, I agree with ponts or Councillor Potts that

2050
02:40:04,237 --> 02:40:06,677
it's going to be difficult. But I mean, I've got

2051
02:40:06,698 --> 02:40:09,077
that same easement in my property and it'd be difficult

2052
02:40:09,098 --> 02:40:11,717
to get in there too. So, I mean, and that's

2053
02:40:11,818 --> 02:40:14,997
without me planting anything on it. Um, so I think

2054
02:40:15,338 --> 02:40:18,257
just for the, for the sake of the letter, uh,

2055
02:40:18,778 --> 02:40:21,877
we've given notice to the property owners letting them know.

2056
02:40:21,877 --> 02:40:23,637
Cause a lot of them probably don't even know their

2057
02:40:23,637 --> 02:40:27,157
responsibility. Um, I mean, but it isn't, it is in

2058
02:40:27,258 --> 02:40:31,317
their deed. But anyways, I'm going to support the amendment.

2059
02:40:32,660 --> 02:40:34,799
Councillor Perry. And then I do want to bring this

2060
02:40:34,820 --> 02:40:38,159
to him. Okay. I'll make it very quick. Um, I

2061
02:40:38,180 --> 02:40:40,959
have had a home that has an easement on it.

2062
02:40:40,959 --> 02:40:44,239
And when I did purchase that home, my good lawyer

2063
02:40:45,140 --> 02:40:48,639
informed me that I've got no recourse of the town

2064
02:40:48,679 --> 02:40:51,599
wants to come. So I'm assuming everyone who bought a

2065
02:40:51,639 --> 02:40:55,079
house along that area has had the same advice, I

2066
02:40:55,079 --> 02:41:00,398
would hope. Thank you. Councillor McCulloch very quick. It just

2067
02:41:00,398 --> 02:41:02,718
brought something to mind. Um, when you do a survey

2068
02:41:02,758 --> 02:41:04,318
or when you buy a property, you should have something

2069
02:41:04,339 --> 02:41:07,278
that shows you where the easement is. Most people have

2070
02:41:07,379 --> 02:41:10,238
probably lost that if we could attach that to the

2071
02:41:10,259 --> 02:41:12,238
letter to show them where it is on the extent

2072
02:41:12,278 --> 02:41:14,718
of it. I think that would be helpful. The picture

2073
02:41:14,739 --> 02:41:18,306
is always worth. A thousand words. Thank you. And I'll

2074
02:41:18,327 --> 02:41:21,186
just make this comment. I'm quite aware of this issue.

2075
02:41:21,186 --> 02:41:23,426
I've walked with homeowners there. I've seen the trees that

2076
02:41:23,466 --> 02:41:26,386
are growing up very close to where the easement is.

2077
02:41:26,386 --> 02:41:29,106
And I just know this is a recipe for disaster

2078
02:41:29,447 --> 02:41:32,066
10 or 15 years from now when those tree roots

2079
02:41:32,247 --> 02:41:36,386
as they know, no doubt will, uh, create a problem.

2080
02:41:36,386 --> 02:41:40,206
And the homeowner gets emotionally attached to the tree. And

2081
02:41:40,206 --> 02:41:42,226
at any rate enough of this, we will vote now

2082
02:41:42,247 --> 02:41:47,116
on the amendment all in favor of the amendment. Opposed.

2083
02:41:48,691 --> 02:41:51,550
Unnoted, that has passed. We'll now move on to the

2084
02:41:51,731 --> 02:41:55,138
motion itself. Tepe, Mary, which to speak to this. Yes,

2085
02:41:55,138 --> 02:41:58,258
please. And, and on track for the main motion and

2086
02:41:58,298 --> 02:42:00,258
what I want to say is, uh, as I said,

2087
02:42:00,258 --> 02:42:04,898
I'm not going to support the main motion as amended.

2088
02:42:04,898 --> 02:42:10,298
Um, I, I heard about, uh, there's been discussions. So

2089
02:42:10,298 --> 02:42:14,098
I'm anticipating on the 14th that more information is coming

2090
02:42:14,098 --> 02:42:17,378
to us. And as I said, maybe I'll change my

2091
02:42:17,479 --> 02:42:19,938
position at that point in time, but I'd like to

2092
02:42:20,279 --> 02:42:24,098
have included in that a better understanding of, I've heard

2093
02:42:24,098 --> 02:42:28,898
that there's been numerous discussions with staff, but, um, here

2094
02:42:28,919 --> 02:42:34,018
we are with a recommendation that appears to be opposing

2095
02:42:34,039 --> 02:42:37,058
to the view that's been discussed. So I wanted to

2096
02:42:37,058 --> 02:42:44,178
know, um, what Staff position is clearly about this situation

2097
02:42:44,599 --> 02:42:49,218
in regards to, um, easements in these situations. And I'm

2098
02:42:49,218 --> 02:42:52,338
hoping that information will be there when it comes in

2099
02:42:52,359 --> 02:43:01,521
September. Thank you. Um, Councillor Geoffrey. Uh, so thank you

2100
02:43:01,702 --> 02:43:07,139
Mr. Chair. And I too was toying with just outright

2101
02:43:07,640 --> 02:43:11,059
saying no for now, but, uh, with the amendment and

2102
02:43:11,099 --> 02:43:13,619
my question as well is I have one of these

2103
02:43:13,800 --> 02:43:16,579
easements in my backyard and the first person plugged it

2104
02:43:16,760 --> 02:43:18,579
and then the next person didn't like the water pooling.

2105
02:43:18,579 --> 02:43:21,219
So they plugged theirs. So it was coming up to

2106
02:43:21,219 --> 02:43:23,459
my house in the backyard. So I did call the

2107
02:43:23,459 --> 02:43:25,859
town and they didn't have my easement and I did

2108
02:43:25,859 --> 02:43:28,339
have my survey and I could send it in and

2109
02:43:28,379 --> 02:43:32,179
show them. And, um, so they did come and unplug

2110
02:43:32,600 --> 02:43:38,179
the problem at the end. But my question is, do

2111
02:43:38,219 --> 02:43:42,539
we have a scheduled, uh, inspection of the easements? I

2112
02:43:42,539 --> 02:43:44,659
think that would be a whole lot easier than just

2113
02:43:44,699 --> 02:43:49,210
waiting for something to come up. Um, can we institute

2114
02:43:49,631 --> 02:43:52,570
where we're doing an inspection of these easements? So we're

2115
02:43:52,570 --> 02:43:55,130
being proactive rather than reactive. And that would be through

2116
02:43:55,231 --> 02:43:57,530
to the director. And maybe we already have one and

2117
02:43:57,530 --> 02:43:59,610
I just don't know it. That sounds like an item

2118
02:43:59,650 --> 02:44:04,496
for the 2027 budget. Director Alcoco. Threw the chair. I

2119
02:44:04,496 --> 02:44:07,696
don't believe we have such a program. This to me

2120
02:44:07,696 --> 02:44:12,016
would be a part of a larger stormwater management plan

2121
02:44:12,197 --> 02:44:17,616
or program for inspection and maintenance. And definitely would have

2122
02:44:17,656 --> 02:44:20,416
to come with the resources. So this is something that

2123
02:44:20,517 --> 02:44:26,987
needs to be, uh, planned well. Okay. I appreciate that

2124
02:44:27,648 --> 02:44:32,267
going forward. So, um, for now, I think also based

2125
02:44:32,267 --> 02:44:35,387
on the mayor's comments, I'm going to support it. I

2126
02:44:35,427 --> 02:44:38,187
think the problem isn't going to come with the assumption

2127
02:44:38,368 --> 02:44:43,227
that's coming with how we actually, um, manage the easements.

2128
02:44:43,227 --> 02:44:50,134
So that's where I'm going. Thank you. Lowe's in favor.

2129
02:44:52,485 --> 02:44:59,486
Opposed. There's two opposed. Carried. Thank you. This concludes the

2130
02:44:59,526 --> 02:45:01,566
committee of the whole, I believe over to Mayor Hamlin.

2131
02:45:04,826 --> 02:45:07,445
Sorry. A motion to rise. Do I hear a motion

2132
02:45:07,445 --> 02:45:10,485
to rise from committee of the whole move by Mayor

2133
02:45:10,485 --> 02:45:15,099
Hamlin second by Councillor Perry? All those in favour. Carried.

2134
02:45:15,099 --> 02:45:18,765
Thank you. Back to you. Uh, thank you. Um, it

2135
02:45:18,805 --> 02:45:20,845
is time for a break, but I think what I'll

2136
02:45:20,845 --> 02:45:24,125
do is, uh, we'll deal with the motion to move

2137
02:45:24,306 --> 02:45:27,885
in camera. Uh, and then as our system switching over,

2138
02:45:27,885 --> 02:45:31,617
we'll take about 10 minute break. Okay. So the motion

2139
02:45:31,638 --> 02:45:35,377
is this. Whereas the clerk hereby concurs the reasons for

2140
02:45:35,417 --> 02:45:38,417
the in - camera session have been duly reviewed and

2141
02:45:38,417 --> 02:45:42,737
considered. And the matters are authorized under the exception provisions

2142
02:45:42,777 --> 02:45:46,817
to conduct a closed session in accordance with municipal act

2143
02:45:46,918 --> 02:45:50,337
prior to proceeding into closed session. Therefore, be a resolve

2144
02:45:50,377 --> 02:45:53,377
that this council proceeds in camera in order to address

2145
02:45:53,638 --> 02:45:57,937
a matter pertaining two. A proposed or penning acquisition or

2146
02:45:58,118 --> 02:46:02,617
disposition of land by the municipality or local board, a

2147
02:46:02,617 --> 02:46:06,177
physician planned procedure, criteria, and ora instruction to be applied

2148
02:46:06,278 --> 02:46:10,337
to any negotiations carried on or to be carried on

2149
02:46:10,438 --> 02:46:13,777
by or on behalf of the municipality or local board.

2150
02:46:13,958 --> 02:46:17,777
Items for discussion, uh, the first one and only one

2151
02:46:17,777 --> 02:46:24,848
is property acquisition update. Mover in a second, please. Council

2152
02:46:24,949 --> 02:46:28,688
Ring, seconded by Deputy Mayor Fryer, all those in favour.

2153
02:46:28,688 --> 02:46:31,408
That's unanimous. Thank you. And, uh, we'll take our break

2154
02:46:31,509 --> 02:46:34,937
now. Thank you. Uh, 10 minutes.

2155
04:41:54,631 --> 04:41:58,130
So I'm looking for a mover, for a motion to

2156
04:41:58,130 --> 04:42:02,451
rise from in camera and returned open session. Councillor Perry,

2157
04:42:02,451 --> 04:42:07,785
seconded by Councillor Ring. All those in favour. That's unanimous,

2158
04:42:07,785 --> 04:42:16,299
thank you. So we have three items to approve, one

2159
04:42:16,299 --> 04:42:20,719
of which will be the Bylaw relating to our In

2160
04:42:20,719 --> 04:42:23,359
- Camera discussions, which will be the third item that

2161
04:42:23,380 --> 04:42:26,879
we'll deal with. So the first one is 9. 1,

2162
04:42:26,879 --> 04:42:32,879
the outdoor ring project update. And so the recommendation is

2163
04:42:32,919 --> 04:42:40,799
that we approve the recommendations earlier adopted by the Committee

2164
04:42:40,839 --> 04:42:45,584
of the Hall during this meeting. Okay, moving a seconder.

2165
04:42:47,714 --> 04:42:54,142
Councillor McCulloch, second by Councillor Baines. Any further discussion, all

2166
04:42:54,142 --> 04:42:58,901
those in favor. And those opposed, one opposed, thank you.

2167
04:43:00,228 --> 04:43:04,765
Two, oh, sorry, thank you, to opposed. The next one

2168
04:43:04,805 --> 04:43:08,445
is under 10. 1, and it's this that the following

2169
04:43:08,706 --> 04:43:10,925
by - law be here by enacted this 20th day

2170
04:43:10,925 --> 04:43:16,962
of August, 2026. By - Law 2026 - 061, CAO

2171
04:43:17,063 --> 04:43:20,322
Bylaw Amendments. This is from our last meeting. Mover in

2172
04:43:20,322 --> 04:43:25,820
a second, please. Oh, sorry. Yeah, both, both mys. Well,

2173
04:43:25,820 --> 04:43:27,740
I'm gonna do this one separately because we're gonna push

2174
04:43:27,761 --> 04:43:30,060
this up. Yeah, so just I'm gonna deal with 10.

2175
04:43:30,161 --> 04:43:35,949
1 first, CO Bylaw, mover in a seconder. Councillor McCulloch,

2176
04:43:35,989 --> 04:43:42,358
seconded by. Councillor Doherty. Any further comments, all those in

2177
04:43:42,398 --> 04:43:49,443
favor. Do we approve this unanimously last time? Or what

2178
04:43:49,443 --> 04:43:51,923
was this? Yeah, sorry, could you just fell aside? Thank

2179
04:43:51,923 --> 04:43:54,803
you. The last recommendation from the Community of the Whole

2180
04:43:54,824 --> 04:43:58,323
on August the 10th was changing the requirements pertaining to

2181
04:43:59,224 --> 04:44:05,375
performance review and goal setting objectives to May. Okay, thank

2182
04:44:05,375 --> 04:44:11,651
you for that. All those in favor. And posed. Three

2183
04:44:11,691 --> 04:44:16,611
opposed, thank you. And then the last one is By

2184
04:44:16,632 --> 04:44:21,171
- Law 2026 - 062 Property Acquisition Bile Off for

2185
04:44:21,192 --> 04:44:24,531
44 here on Ontario Street. And Clerkhommes, if you could

2186
04:44:24,531 --> 04:44:26,691
put up the Byla Forest, please.

2187
04:44:40,789 --> 04:44:48,296
So all read this for the Public then. Where's Municipal

2188
04:44:48,336 --> 04:44:52,856
Act authorizes municipalities to enter into agreements? And whereas the

2189
04:44:52,957 --> 04:44:56,696
Council for this town's pursuing the Strategic Purchase of Land

2190
04:44:56,717 --> 04:45:01,016
to move forward strategic priorities. I can just suggest that

2191
04:45:01,056 --> 04:45:06,399
might be a typo there. Strategic Priorities of the Town.

2192
04:45:06,399 --> 04:45:09,119
Now therefore Council of the Corporation of the Town of

2193
04:45:09,119 --> 04:45:12,799
Collingwood and Access Follows, one, that the Corporation of the

2194
04:45:13,060 --> 04:45:17,519
Town of Collingwood acquire property municipally addresses 44 year Ontario

2195
04:45:17,540 --> 04:45:22,079
Street for the purpose of moving strategic priorities forward. Two,

2196
04:45:22,079 --> 04:45:25,519
that the requisite notice of the acquisition of 44 here

2197
04:45:25,559 --> 04:45:29,439
Ontario Street who provided, once the due diligence work, including

2198
04:45:29,479 --> 04:45:33,199
the In - Camera Structions, instructions provided by Council on

2199
04:45:33,300 --> 04:45:37,999
August 20th, 26th, having completed to the satisfaction of the

2200
04:45:38,020 --> 04:45:43,999
solicitor and chief administration of officer to proceed with conclusion

2201
04:45:44,039 --> 04:45:48,405
of the proposed property acquisition. Three, that with regard to

2202
04:45:48,666 --> 04:45:53,925
section 275 of the Municipal Act, the Chief Administrative Officer,

2203
04:45:53,925 --> 04:45:57,365
Clerk, and or Treasurer are hereby authorized to perform all

2204
04:45:57,706 --> 04:46:01,562
acts. And to take such steps to execute such documents

2205
04:46:01,823 --> 04:46:04,682
under the Seal of the Corporation as may be necessary

2206
04:46:04,722 --> 04:46:09,178
to affect such acquisition. Four, that the funds for this

2207
04:46:09,218 --> 04:46:13,418
strategic property acquisition be drawn from the land acquisition reserve

2208
04:46:13,439 --> 04:46:16,458
fund. And lastly, that this by - laws shall come

2209
04:46:16,498 --> 04:46:19,178
into full force in effect on the date of final

2210
04:46:19,279 --> 04:46:22,858
passage hereof at which time all by - laws as

2211
04:46:22,858 --> 04:46:25,898
a resolutions that are inconsistent with the provisions of this

2212
04:46:25,919 --> 04:46:28,698
by - law. And the same are hereby repealed or

2213
04:46:28,698 --> 04:46:31,818
ascended insofar as necessary to give effect the permissions of

2214
04:46:31,839 --> 04:46:36,302
the Bylaw enacted today. And I'll just say the words

2215
04:46:36,323 --> 04:46:41,182
in here as of tomorrow, this Council will be in

2216
04:46:41,443 --> 04:46:45,662
lame duck situation. And so we have given the authorization

2217
04:46:45,763 --> 04:46:48,542
for Staff to proceed with the purchase of this property

2218
04:46:48,643 --> 04:46:51,629
subject to their final review. Uh, so can I have

2219
04:46:51,629 --> 04:46:53,789
a mover in a seconder for this by - law?

2220
04:46:53,789 --> 04:46:59,229
Please Councillor Perry, seconded by Councillor Jeffrey. Any further comment,

2221
04:46:59,229 --> 04:47:01,736
uh, that would be the Deputy America. Go ahead. Thank

2222
04:47:01,736 --> 04:47:04,536
you, Mayor Hamlin. Um, I just want to say that

2223
04:47:04,957 --> 04:47:09,976
I fully am supportive, and I recognise that the vast

2224
04:47:09,976 --> 04:47:13,796
majority of the Public are too, um, of acquiring. But

2225
04:47:13,796 --> 04:47:16,696
based on the In - Camera detail, um, I can't

2226
04:47:16,736 --> 04:47:19,656
at this time. Um, not going to go into any

2227
04:47:20,397 --> 04:47:23,576
detail on that, but I can state publicly, um, that

2228
04:47:23,597 --> 04:47:28,216
I can't, from my perspective, um, support obligating next council

2229
04:47:28,237 --> 04:47:32,136
without seeing and knowing more clearly, um, our long -

2230
04:47:32,136 --> 04:47:35,976
term strategic financial plan and the findings. And then how

2231
04:47:36,237 --> 04:47:39,896
the final investment of this would impact. So I'm not

2232
04:47:40,157 --> 04:47:43,016
going to be supportive of it. Thank you. Okay. Thank

2233
04:47:43,016 --> 04:47:45,176
you very much. Would anyone else like to comment at

2234
04:47:45,176 --> 04:47:50,998
this time. All those in favor. And opposed, and that's

2235
04:47:51,179 --> 04:47:53,958
when a post. Thank you very much. And thanks Council.

2236
04:47:53,958 --> 04:47:59,638
That was a very productive discussion. And great to move

2237
04:47:59,638 --> 04:48:05,757
ahead. Excuse me. So we are down to. Almost the

2238
04:48:05,797 --> 04:48:08,363
end and it's my motion. And so I will read

2239
04:48:08,624 --> 04:48:11,883
it. And I'll pass the chair to the Deputy Mayor.

2240
04:48:11,923 --> 04:48:14,123
Thank you Mayor Hamlin. And I'll, uh, turn to you

2241
04:48:14,384 --> 04:48:17,323
to read in your motion and then have you speak

2242
04:48:17,323 --> 04:48:21,975
on, I think? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Whereas the

2243
04:48:22,015 --> 04:48:25,255
Town of Collingwood is expected to grow to 42, 000

2244
04:48:25,436 --> 04:48:30,295
residents by 2051. And whereas South Georgian Bay is a

2245
04:48:30,295 --> 04:48:36,215
major four season tourist destination, attracting millions of visitors annually,

2246
04:48:36,215 --> 04:48:40,535
generating significant seasonal travel demand and increased congestion on local

2247
04:48:40,796 --> 04:48:45,175
and provincial roads. And whereas the town of Collingwood's 2024

2248
04:48:45,215 --> 04:48:50,615
to 2028 Community Base Strategic Plan identifies exploring options for

2249
04:48:50,796 --> 04:48:55,335
better transportation connections between Collingwood and the rest of Ontario

2250
04:48:55,676 --> 04:48:59,701
is a key action. And whereas the protaria has expanded

2251
04:49:00,122 --> 04:49:04,261
passenger rail connection to communities outside the Greater Toronto in

2252
04:49:04,261 --> 04:49:07,701
Hamilton area, including year - round Go Rail Service to

2253
04:49:07,802 --> 04:49:11,701
Niagara Falls and Go Rail Service to Stratford while advancing

2254
04:49:11,722 --> 04:49:15,381
the return of the Ontario Northland passenger rail service to

2255
04:49:15,482 --> 04:49:20,181
Northeastern Ontario. And whereas the former Barry Collingwood Railway Corridor

2256
04:49:20,221 --> 04:49:24,981
provides an existing linear transportation corridor between Collingwood and the

2257
04:49:25,162 --> 04:49:29,781
Barrier Area, presenting an opportunity to restore passenger rail connectivity

2258
04:49:30,762 --> 04:49:36,261
without the significant cost, property acquisition and community impacts associated

2259
04:49:36,301 --> 04:49:39,761
with establishing a new greenfield rail corridor, while at the

2260
04:49:39,761 --> 04:49:43,041
same time maintaining the existing Act of Trail Network. Now

2261
04:49:43,402 --> 04:49:46,421
therefore be it resolve that one, the town of Collingwood

2262
04:49:46,442 --> 04:49:51,861
Council requests a Metrolinx and the Ministry of Transportation Undertake

2263
04:49:51,861 --> 04:49:55,461
a feasibility study on extending Go transit service to the

2264
04:49:55,722 --> 04:50:00,421
town of Collingwood. Two, that the feasibility study consider a

2265
04:50:00,461 --> 04:50:04,101
possible go rail service to bury along the former Barry

2266
04:50:04,141 --> 04:50:08,421
Collingwood Railway Corridor. Three, that the study require preservation of

2267
04:50:08,421 --> 04:50:13,061
the continuous act of transportation and trail access along the

2268
04:50:13,162 --> 04:50:17,781
existing Berry Collingwood Rail Trail. Four that the Chief Administrative

2269
04:50:17,962 --> 04:50:22,341
Officer be directed to coordinate with the County Asemco to

2270
04:50:22,442 --> 04:50:26,901
assess how future passenger rail or bus service between Barry

2271
04:50:26,941 --> 04:50:32,341
and Collingwood could support regional transportation planning, housing growth, economic

2272
04:50:32,362 --> 04:50:36,121
development and tourism. Five, that the mayor be requested to

2273
04:50:36,121 --> 04:50:39,961
write to the Minister of Transportation of Ontario Communicating Council's

2274
04:50:40,001 --> 04:50:43,801
position. And six, a copy of this resolution before to

2275
04:50:43,822 --> 04:50:49,321
the Premier of Ontario, Ministry of Transportation, MPP Saunderson, President

2276
04:50:49,342 --> 04:50:53,081
and Chief Executive Officer of Metrolinx and the Warden of

2277
04:50:53,102 --> 04:50:59,185
Simcoe County. Okay. So do we have a seconder for

2278
04:50:59,225 --> 04:51:04,767
the motion. Councillor Baines? Um, Mayor Hamlin. Yeah.

2279
04:51:10,006 --> 04:51:16,777
Thank you. What has been on my mind, particularly about

2280
04:51:16,878 --> 04:51:22,617
this is the fact that, um, foreseeason community and we

2281
04:51:22,617 --> 04:51:27,897
have so many, uh, people coming to our community, all

2282
04:51:27,998 --> 04:51:30,697
year round, whether to use our winter trails for cross

2283
04:51:30,737 --> 04:51:34,857
country skiing to go downhill skiing in the community beside

2284
04:51:34,857 --> 04:51:38,697
us or enjoy the freshwater beach to the east of

2285
04:51:38,697 --> 04:51:44,184
us. Uh, we have, um, and I checked the numbers

2286
04:51:44,224 --> 04:51:47,544
yesterday with Staff. We have some four million visitors every

2287
04:51:47,645 --> 04:51:51,704
year to Collingwood. And in South Georgian Bay, the numbers

2288
04:51:51,725 --> 04:51:59,922
are upwards of 7 million visitors a year. I believe

2289
04:51:59,922 --> 04:52:05,042
that it is important that we have some go transit

2290
04:52:05,042 --> 04:52:10,302
here from Barry. Um, we have the advantage of, um,

2291
04:52:10,743 --> 04:52:14,722
being an attractive community, but getting people here by transit

2292
04:52:14,983 --> 04:52:19,682
is impossible. Um, and if we could somehow get it

2293
04:52:19,722 --> 04:52:24,162
direct link, um, to our community, uh, that would be

2294
04:52:24,263 --> 04:52:29,117
certainly an advantage. We all saw on the proposal for

2295
04:52:29,138 --> 04:52:33,077
the MZO site, uh, for health and wellness centre, a

2296
04:52:33,077 --> 04:52:36,317
little dot showing a potential go transit station in the

2297
04:52:36,317 --> 04:52:39,517
future. I don't know whether that, you know, will be

2298
04:52:39,517 --> 04:52:42,397
our future or not, but I started thinking about it

2299
04:52:42,578 --> 04:52:46,717
in terms of imagining go transit arriving there. And the

2300
04:52:46,757 --> 04:52:49,517
village providing a shuttle service to get skiers over to

2301
04:52:49,517 --> 04:52:53,437
the village or to the, you know, we could go

2302
04:52:53,437 --> 04:52:55,917
back to simpler times in some ways because I think

2303
04:52:55,917 --> 04:52:57,597
that's how a lot of people used to come up

2304
04:52:57,637 --> 04:53:03,263
here back in the day. And the other thing is

2305
04:53:03,284 --> 04:53:06,623
I have talked to some businesses here. So I'm sure

2306
04:53:06,663 --> 04:53:10,783
some of you have, um, about how important it would

2307
04:53:10,783 --> 04:53:14,303
be to have employees be able to come and go

2308
04:53:14,343 --> 04:53:17,823
from this community, uh, by transit. Not everyone can afford

2309
04:53:17,924 --> 04:53:22,783
a car. Also one of our businesses here, uh, who,

2310
04:53:22,783 --> 04:53:26,143
um, you have all toured and can remember, but I

2311
04:53:26,143 --> 04:53:29,023
don't want to pinpoint them. Uh, uses a lot of

2312
04:53:29,284 --> 04:53:32,863
grad students coming in engineering students from Waterloo. And he's

2313
04:53:32,964 --> 04:53:38,343
practically begged for transit to bring his students in. So

2314
04:53:38,964 --> 04:53:41,983
and also I think for our residents who go to

2315
04:53:42,244 --> 04:53:45,023
Barry and from South Georgia Bay who would go into

2316
04:53:45,204 --> 04:53:49,103
Barry to use the hospital, George and College get on

2317
04:53:49,124 --> 04:53:53,579
the go train to go down to the GTA. Just

2318
04:53:53,579 --> 04:53:59,842
extending that connectivity, uh, would be great. So, um, the

2319
04:54:00,183 --> 04:54:04,482
motion before us today is to ask Metrolinks and the

2320
04:54:04,503 --> 04:54:08,882
province to please do a feasibility study, which we'd of

2321
04:54:08,882 --> 04:54:12,162
course have input into, um, for our CAO to talk

2322
04:54:12,202 --> 04:54:16,482
to the County. Uh, I have spoken to the senior

2323
04:54:16,522 --> 04:54:19,442
county staff who have thought about this long and hard

2324
04:54:19,703 --> 04:54:23,122
before I contacted them, uh, because they would very much

2325
04:54:23,143 --> 04:54:26,562
like to see, uh, go transit coming into this community.

2326
04:54:27,175 --> 04:54:32,134
Um, so those are my comments, uh, Deputy Mayor. Thank

2327
04:54:32,134 --> 04:54:35,014
you, Mayor Hamlin. And I'm going to turn the chair

2328
04:54:35,675 --> 04:54:40,425
to Councillor Jeffrey. And I'd like to on the table.

2329
04:54:40,846 --> 04:54:43,865
Okay. So, uh, further discussion and I'll go to the

2330
04:54:43,966 --> 04:54:47,462
debt premier. Okay. So I'm going to put a motion

2331
04:54:47,462 --> 04:54:52,102
to defer. Um, on the table, um, I'll speak last

2332
04:54:52,102 --> 04:54:55,942
to it. Okay. And is there a second or two?

2333
04:54:55,942 --> 04:54:58,662
There's no speaking to deferral. So if the second or

2334
04:54:58,702 --> 04:55:02,182
the seconder, we can vote on it. If there isn't,

2335
04:55:02,182 --> 04:55:07,735
then we will move on. No seconder. Okay. So I'll

2336
04:55:07,996 --> 04:55:11,575
take back the chair then. Thank you. Um, Clerk Holmes,

2337
04:55:11,575 --> 04:55:16,551
would you like us to pass the hour extension. If

2338
04:55:16,551 --> 04:55:23,351
we think of a full, I know. Um, okay. So,

2339
04:55:23,351 --> 04:55:25,811
uh, Edena mover in a second here for the, um,

2340
04:55:26,092 --> 04:55:30,231
our extension and Councillor Potts and Councillor Jeffrey and all

2341
04:55:30,231 --> 04:55:36,302
in favor. And that's unanimous. And, uh, I'll open it

2342
04:55:36,342 --> 04:55:38,942
now to the floor and I turn two Councillor Jeffrey.

2343
04:55:42,597 --> 04:55:46,976
Thank you very much. Um, so I think it this

2344
04:55:46,976 --> 04:55:49,616
has been on the minds of a lot, including the

2345
04:55:49,877 --> 04:55:54,876
county for going forward, but I wonder about the, um,

2346
04:55:55,717 --> 04:55:58,656
time consumption because whenever we do this, Staff always says

2347
04:55:58,677 --> 04:56:01,776
there are going to have to set aside. And this

2348
04:56:01,816 --> 04:56:06,416
seems like a pretty big, uh, and first of all,

2349
04:56:06,437 --> 04:56:10,156
I think that we wouldn't go right to Metrolinx, but

2350
04:56:10,156 --> 04:56:13,056
we would go to our staff of a report on

2351
04:56:13,237 --> 04:56:17,776
the strategic feasibility of us taking this on right now.

2352
04:56:17,776 --> 04:56:23,036
Um, so that's a kind of where I'm heading. And

2353
04:56:23,036 --> 04:56:27,116
the other thing to consider in my mind is, um,

2354
04:56:27,477 --> 04:56:31,456
that you need the transportation infrastructure once you bring all

2355
04:56:31,496 --> 04:56:38,096
these extra people on that, uh, Metrolinx transportation. So it's

2356
04:56:38,197 --> 04:56:39,556
all well and good to bring in a lot of

2357
04:56:39,556 --> 04:56:43,056
people from other, uh, the GTA and other locations that

2358
04:56:43,096 --> 04:56:47,216
don't have vehicles, but do we have the, uh, transportation

2359
04:56:47,397 --> 04:56:52,528
infrastructure here to handle them together. So I think that's

2360
04:56:52,629 --> 04:56:56,928
why, um, I would probably, my brothers would be to

2361
04:56:57,029 --> 04:57:01,008
refer it to staff. They could determine a timeline in

2362
04:57:01,749 --> 04:57:05,008
their, uh, work plans as to when they could take

2363
04:57:05,109 --> 04:57:12,328
on, um, an assessment of us proceeding two Metrolinks. Or

2364
04:57:12,328 --> 04:57:15,088
there's other regional partners. You're going to bring this metric

2365
04:57:15,128 --> 04:57:18,288
at links through other communities. And I think there's some

2366
04:57:18,469 --> 04:57:21,248
consultation that might want to be done ahead of that

2367
04:57:21,288 --> 04:57:25,648
as well. So, um, where I'm at. So are you

2368
04:57:25,688 --> 04:57:30,593
putting referral onto the floor. I would put, yeah, or

2369
04:57:30,593 --> 04:57:34,233
add the words, yeah, referral to staff for a report

2370
04:57:34,494 --> 04:57:38,153
as to their timelines, The Feasibility and what would come

2371
04:57:38,254 --> 04:57:40,793
off the work plan if we were to take this

2372
04:57:40,833 --> 04:57:49,787
on. It's true to Clerkhommes. Can the referral be put

2373
04:57:49,827 --> 04:57:53,823
on the floor for voting. Or are you looking at

2374
04:57:53,924 --> 04:57:56,143
an amendment? Finding a sound. Sorry. Sorry. You could discuss

2375
04:57:56,324 --> 04:58:01,881
before finding a seconder. Well, before putting it even on

2376
04:58:01,881 --> 04:58:04,041
the floor, that's how you'd like to do it. It's

2377
04:58:04,081 --> 04:58:06,761
up to you. Right. Yeah. That's okay. So that, that's

2378
04:58:06,761 --> 04:58:10,601
where you're at. Okay. Um, any other ones, uh, wishing

2379
04:58:10,641 --> 04:58:16,380
to speak. Uh, Councillor Baines. Actually, um, Councillor Doherty was

2380
04:58:16,420 --> 04:58:19,580
ahead of me, but why don't you go ahead and,

2381
04:58:19,620 --> 04:58:21,900
and I'll apologise to Councillor Guardie. I do not agree

2382
04:58:21,921 --> 04:58:25,500
with my friend Councillor Jeffrey in this regard, the focus

2383
04:58:25,500 --> 04:58:28,620
of this seems to be on Metrolinks and other bodies.

2384
04:58:28,620 --> 04:58:31,260
I don't think the present time. We have to involve

2385
04:58:31,441 --> 04:58:35,580
our staff in comments under this because quite frankly, if

2386
04:58:35,620 --> 04:58:37,820
Metro Links comes back and says it's a non -

2387
04:58:37,820 --> 04:58:41,260
starter, it's an on - starter. So, um, I don't

2388
04:58:41,361 --> 04:58:44,460
agree that we necessarily have to involve our staff at

2389
04:58:44,460 --> 04:58:49,977
this point. I think this is. A noble initiative on

2390
04:58:50,017 --> 04:58:53,097
behalf of, uh, Mayor Hamlin in this regard. And it's

2391
04:58:53,137 --> 04:58:56,637
one that I fully support. Having numerous times driven to

2392
04:58:56,818 --> 04:59:00,157
Allendale station to pick up my daughter, 45 minutes there

2393
04:59:00,258 --> 04:59:02,557
and 45 minutes back. And I know many others in

2394
04:59:02,557 --> 04:59:05,117
the same boat. So I support this motion. Thank you.

2395
04:59:05,698 --> 04:59:15,343
Councillor Doherty. Uh, thank you. Um, and I

2396
04:59:15,684 --> 04:59:22,383
would echo actually, uh, Councillor Baines'remarks, uh, just There. First

2397
04:59:22,383 --> 04:59:28,063
of all, um, this request, uh, prevails first upon Metrolinx,

2398
04:59:28,063 --> 04:59:34,063
uh, so if that becomes, um, to, uh, quote, Hey,

2399
04:59:34,484 --> 04:59:36,463
my non - starter, then that is the end of

2400
04:59:36,463 --> 04:59:42,623
it for us. Um, but, uh, there is to me

2401
04:59:43,204 --> 04:59:47,423
no end of upside, uh, for this, uh, I know

2402
04:59:47,423 --> 04:59:52,223
that, uh, Metrolinks are looking for expansions, uh, where they

2403
04:59:52,263 --> 04:59:55,183
know that they're going to have good traffic. That would

2404
04:59:55,183 --> 04:59:59,023
be all part of it. And I will also say,

2405
04:59:59,023 --> 05:00:03,503
um, as one who has had reason to commute back

2406
05:00:03,524 --> 05:00:09,803
and forth, um, Burlington and Toronto quite frequently, lately, uh,

2407
05:00:10,084 --> 05:00:16,383
and, uh, using, uh, Metrolink services. It's a long haul

2408
05:00:17,124 --> 05:00:21,983
between Collingwood and Barry and points beyond, uh, so this

2409
05:00:21,983 --> 05:00:26,943
would be a much needed service, certainly speaking for my

2410
05:00:26,943 --> 05:00:29,103
own perspective, but I know that it would be echoed

2411
05:00:29,103 --> 05:00:32,943
by many others. And, um, you know, ultimately just to

2412
05:00:32,943 --> 05:00:37,183
summarize, uh, there is no harm in my mind to

2413
05:00:37,204 --> 05:00:42,475
asking at this time. Thank you. Councillor McCullough and then

2414
05:00:42,475 --> 05:00:47,891
Councillor Perry. Thank you, Chair. Um, I also do, um,

2415
05:00:48,092 --> 05:00:49,911
spend a lot of time up and down Highway 26

2416
05:00:50,012 --> 05:00:52,391
between here and Barry. And if you drive that road

2417
05:00:52,812 --> 05:00:56,071
in the morning or the afternoon, it is nonstop traffic

2418
05:00:56,252 --> 05:00:59,591
in both directions. So there are streams of people who

2419
05:00:59,692 --> 05:01:02,791
are commuting from here using their car and their gas

2420
05:01:04,172 --> 05:01:07,671
and impacting the environment. The volume is heavy. So there

2421
05:01:07,711 --> 05:01:09,991
are thousands of people who make that trip every day

2422
05:01:10,652 --> 05:01:14,240
in two directions. And layering on top of that. We

2423
05:01:14,240 --> 05:01:18,600
have our weekend and tourist visits that may absorb some

2424
05:01:18,600 --> 05:01:21,320
of that as well. So I think it's a environmentally.

2425
05:01:22,359 --> 05:01:24,898
Plausible thing to investigate. And I think the volumes are

2426
05:01:24,938 --> 05:01:27,598
there. It would be a change in behaviour, but, uh,

2427
05:01:27,639 --> 05:01:31,927
I agree. It was certainly worth starting the conversation. Uh,

2428
05:01:31,948 --> 05:01:37,089
Councillor Perry. Thank you, Chair. I agree with everything at

2429
05:01:37,129 --> 05:01:41,969
what Councillor Jeffrey brought up. I, I worry about the

2430
05:01:42,150 --> 05:01:44,849
infrastructure at the end of the line how people are

2431
05:01:44,849 --> 05:01:48,929
going to get off train and get to wherever they

2432
05:01:48,950 --> 05:01:51,969
want to go. Um, that's a whole other ball game.

2433
05:01:54,013 --> 05:01:59,032
I agree with Councillor McCulloch. There's traffic as a nightmare.

2434
05:01:59,032 --> 05:02:01,752
But I know when GO does any expansions, they always

2435
05:02:01,853 --> 05:02:05,401
run a bus first. And I know we have the

2436
05:02:05,662 --> 05:02:07,481
rail line and that's great. And I know we're not

2437
05:02:07,662 --> 05:02:10,501
going to lose the trail, which is extremely important. Um,

2438
05:02:10,862 --> 05:02:16,601
but I think jumping to rail. I mean, I can't

2439
05:02:16,702 --> 05:02:21,241
speak for metrolinks, but, um, jumping to rail right off

2440
05:02:21,241 --> 05:02:24,881
the hop is, uh, that's a big ask. I think

2441
05:02:25,142 --> 05:02:27,601
going the bus route wouldn't be first to see if

2442
05:02:27,601 --> 05:02:31,761
there's buy in that would get folks off the road.

2443
05:02:31,761 --> 05:02:34,401
Few cars off the road. And then, and then, and

2444
05:02:34,401 --> 05:02:41,102
then go from there. That's just my opinion. Thank you.

2445
05:02:41,102 --> 05:02:46,706
Anyone else wishing. To speak. Okay. I just, uh, I'll

2446
05:02:46,746 --> 05:02:48,786
start off with a comment before I ask my questions.

2447
05:02:49,426 --> 05:02:56,472
Um, nothing but supportive. For former operation and return of

2448
05:02:56,653 --> 05:03:03,112
rail service to Collingwood. My recommendation on this on selling

2449
05:03:04,013 --> 05:03:08,392
the Public Utilities, uh, business water heater business. Um, and

2450
05:03:08,733 --> 05:03:11,192
using the proceeds to buy the rail right away in

2451
05:03:11,192 --> 05:03:14,632
the first place was, was accepted by Council. Um, I

2452
05:03:14,733 --> 05:03:19,032
chaired the rail retainment committee that started the, uh, Barry

2453
05:03:19,072 --> 05:03:25,192
Collingwood Railway. I made the recommendation that, uh, we celebrate

2454
05:03:25,232 --> 05:03:27,272
a way to SIMPCO because of their long - term

2455
05:03:27,272 --> 05:03:33,272
plan to keep in the plan, um, bringing rail services

2456
05:03:33,312 --> 05:03:36,432
to Collingwood. But that being said, I did want to

2457
05:03:36,432 --> 05:03:44,091
ask through to CEO Skinner. What discussions have been had

2458
05:03:44,592 --> 05:03:49,451
with, um, with the other parties in regards to this

2459
05:03:49,491 --> 05:03:53,931
rail service, because, um, it's not something that I'm aware

2460
05:03:53,971 --> 05:03:56,891
of. It was in our directions. And I just want

2461
05:03:56,931 --> 05:04:01,771
to know, um, have there been any actual discussions going

2462
05:04:01,792 --> 05:04:11,666
on in this. Um, do you, uh, Deputy Mayor

2463
05:04:11,767 --> 05:04:17,583
Fryer. We have had several conversations with various parties, uh,

2464
05:04:18,104 --> 05:04:20,803
not falling from this notice of motion, but along the

2465
05:04:20,803 --> 05:04:26,803
same lines over the past probably four or five years.

2466
05:04:26,803 --> 05:04:31,443
Um, when the Minister Gill Zoning Order was approved for

2467
05:04:31,624 --> 05:04:35,763
the popular health and wellness village, we did approach Metrolinks

2468
05:04:35,803 --> 05:04:39,123
and Go Transit about whether or not they were intending

2469
05:04:39,224 --> 05:04:43,763
to bring service to that area, you know, potentially with

2470
05:04:43,784 --> 05:04:45,603
a hub of the new hospital being there as well.

2471
05:04:46,871 --> 05:04:49,170
At that time. And I don't think anything's changed. They

2472
05:04:49,170 --> 05:04:51,730
told us that that was not in their current long

2473
05:04:51,831 --> 05:04:57,410
- term strategic plan, uh, as far as expansions go,

2474
05:04:57,410 --> 05:05:00,210
um, and we were starting to try and socialize them

2475
05:05:00,311 --> 05:05:03,810
to understand that, you know, we're here and there is

2476
05:05:03,810 --> 05:05:07,230
potentially a reason to be looking at the, you know,

2477
05:05:07,230 --> 05:05:11,732
mounting desire to come to and from Collingwood. Uh, we've

2478
05:05:11,833 --> 05:05:15,492
had, uh, in passing conversations, a county actually participated in

2479
05:05:15,753 --> 05:05:18,612
that discussion as well. And we've had in passing conversations

2480
05:05:18,652 --> 05:05:24,692
with the county around their County level transportation study and

2481
05:05:24,692 --> 05:05:28,052
what that means, um, and the desire to keep the,

2482
05:05:28,052 --> 05:05:33,492
uh, currently unused and removed rail line corridor, uh, open

2483
05:05:33,513 --> 05:05:40,278
for future transportation. And as well, uh, we recently hosted,

2484
05:05:40,278 --> 05:05:46,118
um, uh, Director Alcoka had hosted a workshop for all

2485
05:05:46,158 --> 05:05:50,038
of the municipalities covered by the mayors and CAO's forum,

2486
05:05:50,038 --> 05:05:53,638
uh, South Georgian Bay to talk about how we leverage

2487
05:05:53,819 --> 05:05:59,798
our, um, our collective desires with respect to transit and

2488
05:05:59,838 --> 05:06:01,878
what our transit vision might be if we brought that

2489
05:06:01,899 --> 05:06:05,318
back to, uh, The mayors and CAOs for them and

2490
05:06:05,419 --> 05:06:08,998
our home councils for discussion. And there was an overall

2491
05:06:09,019 --> 05:06:11,858
desire, uh, from that group to look at a few

2492
05:06:12,219 --> 05:06:14,838
far - reaching things, but it would include connections to

2493
05:06:15,179 --> 05:06:20,918
areas outside of our, uh, our own, um, municipality and

2494
05:06:20,958 --> 05:06:25,318
outside of Simcoe County. I do know that Director Alcoca,

2495
05:06:25,318 --> 05:06:29,158
who I'm, I believe is on the line, uh, also

2496
05:06:30,299 --> 05:06:36,758
should Dr. Ocu online.

2497
05:06:40,134 --> 05:06:45,233
Yeah, I just got tapes. Uh, Director Alcoco, um, also,

2498
05:06:45,233 --> 05:06:48,673
uh, had been involved in doing some, some work looking

2499
05:06:48,673 --> 05:06:50,673
at this notice of motion. So he may have further

2500
05:06:50,854 --> 05:06:53,233
to add, uh, but those are the items that I've

2501
05:06:53,233 --> 05:06:56,513
been involved in to date with respect to transportation beyond

2502
05:06:56,614 --> 05:07:03,037
Cipco County. Okay. So then from those discussions at the,

2503
05:07:03,077 --> 05:07:05,757
at the forum with the mayor and the CAO and,

2504
05:07:05,757 --> 05:07:08,957
and others, is this coming from that? Like, are they

2505
05:07:08,957 --> 05:07:12,157
aware of the fact that we're making the request singularly.

2506
05:07:18,382 --> 05:07:27,871
Actually, as soon CL. To you, this notice of

2507
05:07:27,911 --> 05:07:31,631
motion, uh, specifically has come up since the last meeting

2508
05:07:31,671 --> 05:07:35,071
of the mayor's in CAO's, uh, forum. There has been

2509
05:07:35,092 --> 05:07:39,231
discussion at least two meetings about the potential for transit

2510
05:07:39,271 --> 05:07:46,411
to Toronto and or, um, uh, Waterloo Kitchener area. Um,

2511
05:07:46,932 --> 05:07:51,311
no, motions or actions had come out of that other

2512
05:07:51,351 --> 05:07:56,571
than a desire to have a consolidated, uh, vision, um,

2513
05:07:56,571 --> 05:08:01,231
that would span multiple councils around, uh, what are transit

2514
05:08:01,271 --> 05:08:05,672
future might look like. Okay. So we're doing this singularly.

2515
05:08:05,672 --> 05:08:08,152
So has there been any discussion with city of Barry.

2516
05:08:10,364 --> 05:08:19,830
To you. Um. I, uh, I have not myself had

2517
05:08:19,870 --> 05:08:24,390
any discussions with the city of Barry, the transit director,

2518
05:08:24,390 --> 05:08:27,590
um, Alcoca may have had those discussions. I have been

2519
05:08:27,630 --> 05:08:32,517
not been involved in any. And as Director Alcoco.

2520
05:08:38,835 --> 05:08:43,774
You know, this director alcohol volta indicator put discussions with

2521
05:08:43,955 --> 05:08:44,334
Barry.

2522
05:08:55,570 --> 05:08:57,309
I guess I can, I can continue a little bit

2523
05:08:57,490 --> 05:09:02,189
because Barry runs a short line railway still between Barry

2524
05:09:02,189 --> 05:09:08,036
and Utopia. And, um, how will their business be impacted

2525
05:09:09,577 --> 05:09:12,596
if rail service? Well, in fact, they're going to have

2526
05:09:12,596 --> 05:09:14,756
to be a party because they're the ones own between

2527
05:09:15,177 --> 05:09:22,276
Barry and Utopia. Uh, Simco County owns from the rail

2528
05:09:22,276 --> 05:09:26,516
yard in utopia to, uh, Collingwood. So I'd like to

2529
05:09:26,516 --> 05:09:29,076
know if those discussions have happened with the city of

2530
05:09:29,116 --> 05:09:32,436
Barry, um, they're going to be a paramount partner in

2531
05:09:32,436 --> 05:09:36,596
anything that, uh, is discussed or I'm concerned that if

2532
05:09:36,596 --> 05:09:41,316
we take the forefront on this, are we, are we

2533
05:09:41,356 --> 05:09:43,796
suggesting that we're willing to look at whatever the cost

2534
05:09:43,817 --> 05:09:47,759
is going to be. So I, I'd like to, to

2535
05:09:47,799 --> 05:09:51,519
hear from El and Director Alcoff discussions have happened with,

2536
05:09:51,519 --> 05:09:59,841
uh, with Barry. No, I don't want live cutting. Yes,

2537
05:09:59,841 --> 05:10:03,473
we can go right ahead, sir. Yes. Thank you. Sorry.

2538
05:10:03,494 --> 05:10:06,513
You know some technical difficulties there. Uh, we had, I

2539
05:10:06,534 --> 05:10:08,993
had not had any discussion of the city of Barry

2540
05:10:09,033 --> 05:10:17,250
yet. We did have, uh, multi county town gathering a

2541
05:10:17,250 --> 05:10:22,312
few weeks ago. Uh, about transit. And we had a

2542
05:10:22,312 --> 05:10:25,752
good discussion. I actually would be, by next week would

2543
05:10:25,752 --> 05:10:30,872
be issuing their notes for everybody to show what generally

2544
05:10:30,912 --> 05:10:35,592
was discussed. And the go transit connection was discussed as

2545
05:10:35,773 --> 05:10:38,792
part of an overall plan. But this is still in

2546
05:10:38,792 --> 05:10:45,231
the early stages. Does that answer your question. Well, yes,

2547
05:10:45,231 --> 05:10:47,631
that there's been no discussion with Barry. So that's, that's

2548
05:10:47,631 --> 05:10:51,631
what I want to know. Um, the last item I

2549
05:10:51,631 --> 05:10:57,871
have is before I turn it over to, uh, Councillor

2550
05:10:57,892 --> 05:11:00,591
Jeffrey to see if you still want to do referral.

2551
05:11:00,591 --> 05:11:04,591
Um, I too have had numerous conversations with Simcoe County

2552
05:11:04,631 --> 05:11:09,231
staff over this three and a bit years. Um, because

2553
05:11:09,231 --> 05:11:14,271
of my interest. And I, I need to have more

2554
05:11:14,452 --> 05:11:20,511
time. I'm asked for deferral because we received this yesterday.

2555
05:11:20,511 --> 05:11:22,671
Um, I know we heard notice emotion at the last

2556
05:11:22,772 --> 05:11:25,391
meeting, but we didn't get the wording. Um, I think

2557
05:11:25,572 --> 05:11:28,991
that there's good food for thought with what Mayor Hamlin

2558
05:11:29,092 --> 05:11:31,791
has talked about, but I'd want more time. I'd want

2559
05:11:31,791 --> 05:11:35,931
to be able to talk to Simple County staff. And

2560
05:11:36,052 --> 05:11:40,111
therefore I'm going to turn it to Councillor Jeffrey and

2561
05:11:40,151 --> 05:11:42,591
let her decide what she wants to do in regards

2562
05:11:42,631 --> 05:11:49,058
to referral. No, we all had a chance to speak.

2563
05:11:49,058 --> 05:11:50,978
So I'll go to. I thought I should have a

2564
05:11:50,978 --> 05:11:53,138
right to just respond to a few things that have

2565
05:11:53,159 --> 05:11:58,978
been said. Thank you. Uh, also Councillor Doherty's header. Also

2566
05:11:59,319 --> 05:12:03,458
Councillor Jeffrey had, uh, had referral. Oh, um, Councillor Doherty

2567
05:12:03,479 --> 05:12:07,618
has, um, spoken already. So I'm turning to you about

2568
05:12:07,879 --> 05:12:11,678
your referral. Okay. I, I agree that there's a lot

2569
05:12:11,678 --> 05:12:15,458
of good potential with this, but I have some angst

2570
05:12:15,498 --> 05:12:18,018
about the speed with which we're proceeding without really not

2571
05:12:18,058 --> 05:12:21,218
having a lot of answers. And Council really has not

2572
05:12:21,258 --> 05:12:24,338
been kept up to speed about this at all. I,

2573
05:12:24,378 --> 05:12:27,618
I thought we usually received reports back from the CAO's

2574
05:12:27,618 --> 05:12:29,458
group, but I don't think we've received those from that

2575
05:12:29,719 --> 05:12:33,444
forum for a while. Um, not to my recollection anyway.

2576
05:12:33,444 --> 05:12:39,364
So, um, it's not, um, the referral is simply for

2577
05:12:39,404 --> 05:12:42,644
more information because I think this has kind of come

2578
05:12:42,684 --> 05:12:45,924
out of, uh, left field in a way, um, and

2579
05:12:45,945 --> 05:12:49,684
not that it's not got the environmental benefits that Councillor

2580
05:12:49,724 --> 05:12:53,044
McCulloch talks about, but I'm just want to know that

2581
05:12:53,385 --> 05:12:57,684
it can fit into Staffs work plan. And cause it

2582
05:12:57,684 --> 05:13:00,964
will not be, once they say yes, this is going

2583
05:13:00,964 --> 05:13:04,084
to be a lot of work. So I, um, I

2584
05:13:04,084 --> 05:13:06,004
just want to refer it back to Staff to have

2585
05:13:06,004 --> 05:13:08,164
an idea from them as to how it, how it

2586
05:13:08,164 --> 05:13:14,163
fits in terms of, uh, everything. So you may fight

2587
05:13:14,203 --> 05:13:16,403
me not to see if you have a seconder for,

2588
05:13:16,403 --> 05:13:17,843
yeah, I don't know if I have a secondary or

2589
05:13:17,843 --> 05:13:22,723
not. Is anyone willing to second referral Councillor Potts has.

2590
05:13:22,723 --> 05:13:29,659
So on the matter of referral. Okay. I don't see,

2591
05:13:29,659 --> 05:13:36,458
go ahead Mayor Hamlin. Oh, um, I purpose of this

2592
05:13:36,559 --> 05:13:39,498
motion is to get started. And we have to start

2593
05:13:39,519 --> 05:13:42,138
with Metrolinx and the province because they have to make

2594
05:13:42,399 --> 05:13:45,722
a political decision. Um, and I don't see a lot

2595
05:13:45,722 --> 05:13:49,642
of need for our staff input at this time. Um,

2596
05:13:50,243 --> 05:13:57,502
the recent extensions of Go service have been, um, Niagara

2597
05:13:57,502 --> 05:13:59,942
Falls who gets, I'll come back to that in a

2598
05:13:59,942 --> 05:14:03,582
minute in Stratford. And we know that we get the

2599
05:14:03,683 --> 05:14:08,942
third highest number of tourists in the province after Toronto

2600
05:14:09,203 --> 05:14:11,982
and Niagara Falls. And we all know Statford and the

2601
05:14:12,022 --> 05:14:17,582
seasonal population of, uh, tourists they get for their theatre.

2602
05:14:17,582 --> 05:14:20,222
So I just think that I don't think anyone's really

2603
05:14:20,643 --> 05:14:25,182
thought about the South Georgian Bay Area. And it's time

2604
05:14:25,363 --> 05:14:29,562
for the province to think about the fact here, the

2605
05:14:29,562 --> 05:14:32,462
third highest number of tourists coming here. And the better

2606
05:14:32,483 --> 05:14:35,982
way, a more environmentally friendly way for them to get

2607
05:14:35,982 --> 05:14:39,662
here. So I think the feasibility study has to be

2608
05:14:39,763 --> 05:14:43,742
done by the province. It's their line. It's their money.

2609
05:14:43,742 --> 05:14:47,262
And, uh, I really don't see the advantage of referring

2610
05:14:47,443 --> 05:14:52,382
this back to our staff. Um, uh, unless they can

2611
05:14:52,643 --> 05:14:57,102
respond next or our next meeting, but I, uh, I

2612
05:14:57,102 --> 05:14:59,422
don't see this as a big, big thought for them

2613
05:14:59,443 --> 05:15:03,862
right now. Thank you. Okay. Any other Councillor Doherty, go

2614
05:15:03,862 --> 05:15:13,560
ahead. Thank you. Um, I just want to put

2615
05:15:13,821 --> 05:15:17,960
a fine point on, uh, what, uh, I think it

2616
05:15:17,960 --> 05:15:23,380
was Councillor McCullough, but I'm not sure said about, uh,

2617
05:15:23,501 --> 05:15:26,680
when we, when we talk about metrolinks, uh, we could

2618
05:15:26,680 --> 05:15:30,120
be talking about rail, gold transit, but we can also

2619
05:15:30,141 --> 05:15:35,920
be talking about gold buses. Uh, and, um, it, in

2620
05:15:35,920 --> 05:15:40,760
my mind, uh, we are asking Metrolinks to, uh, consider

2621
05:15:40,861 --> 05:15:45,160
feasibility. We're not asking for a train necessarily. I think

2622
05:15:45,200 --> 05:15:48,760
we all know that that is a substantially more expensive

2623
05:15:50,381 --> 05:15:55,400
model, uh, but to introduce bus service, at least as

2624
05:15:55,741 --> 05:16:00,120
a start, uh, on a regular basis to our municipality

2625
05:16:00,301 --> 05:16:03,480
for all the good reasons that have already been stated,

2626
05:16:03,480 --> 05:16:10,280
um, it's an innocuous request at this point in time,

2627
05:16:10,280 --> 05:16:13,720
uh, with, I think realistic expectations if we all understand

2628
05:16:13,901 --> 05:16:20,394
what they are. Thank you. Councillor McCullough. Just a follow

2629
05:16:20,434 --> 05:16:24,214
up question. Um, through you chair to the CAO. Are

2630
05:16:24,214 --> 05:16:26,554
there any red flags here to you in terms of

2631
05:16:26,895 --> 05:16:32,616
staffing resources that we should be aware of. Go ahead.

2632
05:16:32,616 --> 05:16:36,216
If I could refer that one to Director Alcoka, please.

2633
05:16:36,216 --> 05:16:39,884
He's familiar with the request. Hey, Director Alcoka, go ahead.

2634
05:16:41,499 --> 05:16:45,784
Thank you. Through the chair. I read the motion and,

2635
05:16:45,784 --> 05:16:50,904
uh, and generally there is not a lot of workforce

2636
05:16:51,005 --> 05:16:56,184
staff. It's similar quest to Metrolinks. And at this stage,

2637
05:16:56,184 --> 05:17:01,304
it's just the IC such an action as getting us

2638
05:17:01,304 --> 05:17:06,087
on the planning machine. Uh, of Metrolinks to be considered

2639
05:17:07,148 --> 05:17:10,567
as an area that requires a connection. And that connection

2640
05:17:10,828 --> 05:17:14,087
can be as simply as a BUS connection. So when

2641
05:17:14,127 --> 05:17:19,167
they do their planning, which is done, uh, periodic, I

2642
05:17:19,167 --> 05:17:22,327
think it's on an annual basis at least, that this

2643
05:17:22,327 --> 05:17:25,207
consideration to see if they can do a feasibility study

2644
05:17:25,228 --> 05:17:34,533
to connect us with the GOBOS network. Hey, anyone further.

2645
05:17:35,716 --> 05:17:40,175
Okay. Um, I, I support the referral, um, the, it's

2646
05:17:40,215 --> 05:17:45,135
not going to stop the action of possibly going forward.

2647
05:17:45,135 --> 05:17:49,535
But to not get some Staff input in written form,

2648
05:17:49,535 --> 05:17:53,695
um, making a decision about this. And as I said,

2649
05:17:53,695 --> 05:17:58,255
uh, sparing heading at singularly, um, when, when, as I

2650
05:17:58,295 --> 05:18:02,175
also mentioned, Barry owns the, uh, I look at number

2651
05:18:02,276 --> 05:18:08,575
two in the, therefore, um, and it says, uh, feasibility

2652
05:18:08,836 --> 05:18:13,455
consider a possible goal rail service. And then it says

2653
05:18:13,636 --> 05:18:17,455
in regards to county Simcoe, um, future passenger rail or

2654
05:18:17,476 --> 05:18:20,975
bus service. So I think that, uh, what needs to

2655
05:18:21,015 --> 05:18:24,235
happen here is we need to hear from staff, um,

2656
05:18:24,516 --> 05:18:28,335
and, and, and written form, uh, what their thoughts are

2657
05:18:28,516 --> 05:18:32,575
about just going forward. And most specifically how taking it

2658
05:18:32,615 --> 05:18:36,815
forward singularly, um, is not as, as, uh, as good

2659
05:18:36,855 --> 05:18:40,255
as taking it on the whole with all the partners

2660
05:18:40,356 --> 05:18:44,575
that would be involved along the line. So, um, we've

2661
05:18:44,575 --> 05:18:46,455
all had a chance to speak. Um, I'm going to

2662
05:18:46,676 --> 05:18:54,405
call a vote then on the referral. I would just

2663
05:18:54,405 --> 05:18:57,365
like to seek clarity on the deferral to make sure

2664
05:18:57,386 --> 05:18:59,605
I've captured all the items that you wanted to include

2665
05:18:59,706 --> 05:19:03,285
in the report back so that Council refer the proposed

2666
05:19:03,306 --> 05:19:06,325
motion to, uh, to staff or report back to council

2667
05:19:06,325 --> 05:19:08,885
on the request, including the time and cost associated with

2668
05:19:09,066 --> 05:19:13,365
staff or other resources necessary to action, the direction, including

2669
05:19:13,866 --> 05:19:20,326
if any necessary adjustments would be required. I think that

2670
05:19:20,507 --> 05:19:26,646
wording includes the consultation process with Barry. And it would

2671
05:19:26,747 --> 05:19:30,486
include, I mean, number four, very specifically direct time of

2672
05:19:30,486 --> 05:19:34,042
the CAO to coordinate with the County of Simcoe. So

2673
05:19:34,223 --> 05:19:37,002
there's got to be time lying to be reported there.

2674
05:19:37,002 --> 05:19:38,202
And what she's going to have to give up in

2675
05:19:38,202 --> 05:19:41,122
her work plan to be dealing with that, because I

2676
05:19:41,122 --> 05:19:43,082
know she has a pretty full agenda. So, but I

2677
05:19:43,082 --> 05:19:44,922
think the wording does cover all the things that we

2678
05:19:44,962 --> 05:19:47,560
would require. Would you be able to put it up

2679
05:19:47,581 --> 05:19:49,920
on the screen for us, please? Do I have to

2680
05:19:49,920 --> 05:19:53,080
give a timeline, Clair Gomis through the, and do you

2681
05:19:53,120 --> 05:20:00,143
need a timeline. I don't think they're required timelining. If

2682
05:20:00,143 --> 05:20:03,343
you want to provide a timeline? It's not required. It's

2683
05:20:03,364 --> 05:20:07,291
up to you. I guess I was looking to the

2684
05:20:07,331 --> 05:20:09,811
CAO as to what kind of timeline that was. So

2685
05:20:09,952 --> 05:20:11,531
we'll turn the CEO and let us know on that.

2686
05:20:11,747 --> 05:20:20,651
Then. Through the

2687
05:20:21,472 --> 05:20:30,124
chair, acting chair. I don't know how long it would

2688
05:20:30,164 --> 05:20:33,164
take to come up with the time cost and consultation

2689
05:20:33,905 --> 05:20:37,724
for the consultation process. I do myself think that number

2690
05:20:37,905 --> 05:20:41,324
four, uh, is probably the one that would take the

2691
05:20:41,364 --> 05:20:47,644
most time. It's also not essential for the rest of

2692
05:20:47,644 --> 05:20:50,604
the notice of motion with respect to the political ask

2693
05:20:50,705 --> 05:20:55,244
that Metrolinx, for example, look at Collingwood, um, as a

2694
05:20:55,284 --> 05:20:59,244
potential feasibility study, um, so number four would in fact

2695
05:20:59,284 --> 05:21:04,764
be the, uh, the one where I have no trouble

2696
05:21:05,105 --> 05:21:10,764
communicating with the County of Simcoe to advocate for future

2697
05:21:10,865 --> 05:21:15,324
passenger rail or bus service, uh, between, uh, Barry and

2698
05:21:15,324 --> 05:21:21,127
Collingwood. I quantifying how it could support regional transportation planning,

2699
05:21:21,127 --> 05:21:25,527
housing growth, economic development and tourism would take longer. Advocate

2700
05:21:25,567 --> 05:21:28,567
gating for it to do so is not as, as

2701
05:21:28,588 --> 05:21:35,687
onerous. I do believe in reading this, the intention is

2702
05:21:35,788 --> 05:21:38,967
to get the attention of Metrolinx and MTO at the

2703
05:21:39,007 --> 05:21:45,447
political level. And that in itself is not a heavy,

2704
05:21:45,468 --> 05:21:51,987
heavy staff piece. It's, it's the quantification. Okay. Um, Councillor

2705
05:21:52,027 --> 05:21:54,307
Jeffrey, go ahead. You know, hearing the CAO, and I

2706
05:21:54,307 --> 05:21:57,667
think we all would like to put the pressure on

2707
05:21:57,768 --> 05:22:00,547
just the province in Metrolinx. If all we were doing

2708
05:22:00,648 --> 05:22:09,293
was number one and you removed two to. Four. Or

2709
05:22:09,314 --> 05:22:12,253
two to five and just say, we want them to

2710
05:22:12,253 --> 05:22:14,093
take a look and get back to us as to

2711
05:22:14,093 --> 05:22:16,813
what the potential is. Then we start investing time after

2712
05:22:16,853 --> 05:22:20,413
that. I could remove my referral as long as number

2713
05:22:20,434 --> 05:22:23,933
two to five are removed. And we sent, we did

2714
05:22:23,973 --> 05:22:27,422
number one and number six. I'm going to turn to

2715
05:22:28,163 --> 05:22:33,262
Clerkholmist and see how that can be done without defeating

2716
05:22:33,302 --> 05:22:37,967
them motion in the first place. We have to move

2717
05:22:38,007 --> 05:22:41,247
on second or want to, um, withdraw the referral at

2718
05:22:41,247 --> 05:22:45,087
the moment, making amendments to delete items two to five.

2719
05:22:45,087 --> 05:22:48,127
And we can look at the, um, the amendment and

2720
05:22:48,127 --> 05:22:51,247
then pass the motion if the theme image is approved.

2721
05:22:51,247 --> 05:22:55,007
So Councillor Jeffrey and Councillor Potts, if you'll remove, then

2722
05:22:55,007 --> 05:22:57,327
I believe Councillor Jeffrey, you want to put an amendment

2723
05:22:57,348 --> 05:23:01,087
on the floor then? Yeah. So I would, uh, move,

2724
05:23:01,087 --> 05:23:04,607
uh, we amend the motion to remove operative clauses number

2725
05:23:04,607 --> 05:23:10,839
two to five, uh, leave one and six remaining. Councillor

2726
05:23:10,860 --> 05:23:14,919
Potts degrees. So the same mover and secondary discussion on

2727
05:23:15,180 --> 05:23:21,828
that amendment. Not seeing any. I'm going to call vote

2728
05:23:21,828 --> 05:23:26,436
to that amendment. All those in favor. One, two, three,

2729
05:23:26,476 --> 05:23:36,139
four, five, six, seven. And opposed. It was everybody.

2730
05:23:38,188 --> 05:23:41,687
Did everybody? Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see the cards

2731
05:23:41,708 --> 05:23:47,047
come up. Um, okay. So, um, we have the emotion

2732
05:23:47,068 --> 05:23:50,407
as amended, uh, then I'm going to, and we have

2733
05:23:50,508 --> 05:23:52,487
the mover and secretary for that. So we're all right

2734
05:23:52,487 --> 05:23:55,207
that way. Correct. Um, I'm prepared to call it for

2735
05:23:55,308 --> 05:23:58,691
votent unless somebody wanted to say something. All those in

2736
05:23:58,691 --> 05:24:04,293
favor. And that's unanimous. And I turned back to you,

2737
05:24:04,293 --> 05:24:09,657
um, Mayor Hamlin. Thank you. Okay. Uh, we're down to

2738
05:24:10,078 --> 05:24:15,657
confirmatory bylaw. And, uh, it has, it is this that

2739
05:24:15,657 --> 05:24:20,297
Bylan number 2026 - 063 being a by - law

2740
05:24:20,297 --> 05:24:23,097
to confirm the proceedings of the Special Meaning of Council

2741
05:24:23,518 --> 05:24:27,897
held August 2026 being acted in past his 20th day

2742
05:24:27,937 --> 05:24:32,297
of August, 2026. Mover in a second, please Councillor Baines,

2743
05:24:32,297 --> 05:24:39,283
seconded by Councillor Perry. All those in favor. That's unanimous.

2744
05:24:39,283 --> 05:24:44,163
And we have Councillor Potts winning to have a motion

2745
05:24:44,203 --> 05:24:47,483
to adjourn. All those in favor. Unanimous. Thank you very

2746
05:24:47,483 --> 05:24:48,123
much, everyone.