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Good evening. I am opening the January
6th meeting, regular meeting of the Corn

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Madiraa Town Council. Um, we just had a
closed session and we have nothing to

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report out of that closed session.
I ask for a roll call, please.

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Council member Andrews
>> present.

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» Council member Beckman
>> here.

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» Council member Azio
>> here. Vice Mayor Casissa

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» here.
>> Mayor Thomas

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» here.

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» So, um, we'd like to have open time at
this time. Any Oh, I'm sorry. We have to

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pledge first.
Pledge of allegiance, please.

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» Aliance
to the United States of America to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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All right.

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Now, we will begin open time.
Any member of the public is allowed to

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speak for three minutes about anything
that is not on our agenda this evening.

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Uh those of you who would like to speak
uh raise your hands to be recognized and

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we will direct you to the podium. Please
speak into the mic loudly so that you're

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picked up uh for those online and
everyone in the room. Thank you. Uh next

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will be Miss Batty and we'll start with
you sir.

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» Bob Middlestead uh ebike access. Thank
you, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and council

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members.
Two years ago, two Redwood High School

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students rode in the J about what they
called quote undercover undercover

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motorcycles on their campus.
We now call them emotos. They tried to

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remind public officials at the time and
the local police that the number one

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priority was keeping roads and the kids
safe.

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Here we are in 2026, two years later,
and the problem has only gotten worse.

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It's now been widely publicized in the
New York Times, CBS News, the J, and the

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Legislator Leg Legislative Commission
report by the Manetta Transportation

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Institute.
In response, we can try and pass the

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buck. We can congratulate ourselves on
everything we've done, but to be honest,

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I think we need to face the fact that
more needs to be done, and I think we

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should redouble our efforts. This is a
multiaceted problem, but at bottom, it

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is a law enforcement problem. So, I
asked the CMP

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um a uh representative why they were not
doing more to cure the emoto problem at

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Redwood High School. Um which is just
down the street from the police

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headquarters after all. And this is what
I got this afternoon. Quote, "Parents

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are not enthusiastic about us going
after children, nor our schools. We are

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not the Gestapo.
I found that that response chilling.

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Um, parents don't get to decide when to
let their children break the law and

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schools from the ones I've talked to and
I've talked to a lot want the police to

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help them enforce the law and get rid of
the emot. And the Gustapo comment goes

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without any further thing. So, here's
what I ask this court to do as part of

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our continuing dialogue. First,
agendaize the issue for an upcoming

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meeting and declare the policy of this
community is that emoto enforcement at

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Redwood High School and beyond is
important to the community regardless of

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what some scoff parents might want. And
second, remember that the Central Marine

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Police Council is charged with quote
developing policy for the CMPA,

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not the other way around.
And I don't think we should tolerate a

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policy of deferring to parents who want
their kids to break the law. In fact,

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it's a crime for parents to allow
juveniles to operate motorcycles without

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licenses. Uh and finally, the CMPA and I
did agree on one thing, which is the

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importance of going after the
manufacturers on a consumer product uh

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protection basis. So, I've submitted a
petition um calling on the DA and the

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attorney general to do just that. And I
ask each of you to consider signing it.

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Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Hello everybody. I'm Susie Batty. Um
hello to all of you who I know pretty

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well, most of you. Um I am here because
uh we had a flood the last few days and

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I happened to be um uh part of the
neighborhood response group in East

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Corder Madera. So I thought it would be
a good idea for me to just give you a

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threeinut quick thing and I wrote these
points down and I'll try not to talk as

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much as I usually do. I'll try to just
get these points out and maybe some of

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them will be helpful
um in my notes. Um my first note to

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myself is compliments and that really is
true. Um I think in general things went

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fairly well. Uh there were delays on
some things but uh the the street

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sweeper has not stopped. He's been
through Mariner Cove time after time

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after time from as soon as they could
get in there until um until even even

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today. Um I do believe that um and
public works and the fire department was

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present um more so the uh the fire
department I saw there the first day uh

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late in the afternoon. You know, it took
a while to see what was going on and

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this was January 1st and I want to
remind everybody that that's one thing

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to think about. It was a holiday and it
had to be a difficult time for all the

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departments. Um, I realized that and I
think in general they did a pretty good

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job. There should have been some uh we
ran out of of sandbags uh in in Mariner

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Cove and I think uh we needed to somehow
figure way and this is communication of

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letting the people in Mariner Cove know
what and when and where they could get

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those sandbags. A lot of this boils down
I think to communication. Um, I think

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the alerts could have they they were
prominent when they uh after a while,

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but in the very beginning it was a
little bit slow getting alerts out. I

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think um I'm also thinking that people
got on next door like during and after

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and all that and there was, you know,
somebody should have done this, somebody

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should have done that. I think it would
be really good if the town had someone

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who monitored next door and could see
the comments that are going on and we

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need somebody who will uh correct the
information, make sure that the

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information that people are yakking
about is correct. Um so I think that

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would be very helpful. Um vacation time
for uh particularly for uh public works.

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I'm I know that some towns do this and
there might be a way of splitting their

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vacations in such a way that
particularly in the winter months in the

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times when there we know that there's
going to be problems that probably out

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there people shouldn't shouldn't have
less vacation. They deserve plenty of

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vacation but maybe it can be divided up
in such a way that we at least have a

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pretty big staff because on January 1st
we only had one. I know that my time is

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up. The one thing that I think is
important is that uh can the town please

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schedule a meeting particularly for
Mariner Cove with the experts there so

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that questions can be answered and that
it could happen really soon. I'd like to

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see it happen at Cove School.
Neighborhood response group was asked if

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they could do it. I don't think it's our
place. I think it's better for the town

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to do it. And thank you for the
dumpsters that were delivered today.

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It's going to be very helpful to the
residents. Again, it's uh getting the

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word out. So, thank you.
>> Thank you.

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Anyone else like to speak? David, good
to see you.

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» Hello, David Bell. Uh 33 Echo. Um want
to just simply say echo everything Susie

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said, but for Marina Village.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak.
My name is Lauren Cosgrave and my

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husband Shawn and I own 23 Harbor Drive
in Marina Village with our two daughters

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age 8 and nine. During the recent storm,
our home flooded as a result of water

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over topping the burm behind our
property. This was not a case of

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groundwater seepage or an unpredictable
failure. It was a visible, repeatable

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overflow of a known structure.
This burm has been a point of discussion

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between homeowners and the town for over
10 years. And regardless of formal

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ownership, it is clearly functioning as
a flood control infrastructure.

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When it over tops, water is directed
towards homes and streets and neighbors

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and including my home.
We are not here tonight to assign blame

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or debate fault. We are here because
this problem is foreseeable and it will

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happen again unless it is addressed in
an engineered way. We are asking the

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city to do three things. Commission or
share a professional engineering

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evaluation of the burm and surrounding
drainage on Harbor Drive. Clearly

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identify responsibility for preventing
future over topping of impacts to homes.

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and provide a timeline for implementing
a long-term mitigation solution.

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This flooding has real consequences
financial, emotional, and safety related

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for families living here. We are
committed to being constructive

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partners, but temporary or peacemail
fixes are not enough. Our request is

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simple. Please acknowledge this is a
predictable risk and commit to a

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permanent solution so residents are not
put in this position again.

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Thank you.
Is there anyone else?

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» Hi. Uh, my name is Robin. I live on 37
Kargo near Susie. I actually lived on

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Harbor when I was in high school. Um, so
couple things. I I won't get to all the

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details, but I have some older family
members that uh for decades have been

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very angry about the lack of dredging in
the area. So, I've heard a lot over the

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years about local regulations and
problems with

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SQUA and the strategies for flood
management and um probably way more than

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I would like. I understand there's been
various plans over the years with the

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flood wall and raising homes and things
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My understanding um is that you know
issues related to SQA stop things or

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stall things for years or decades
um not just with flooding but also with

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I've seen it with bike infrastructure
and and many things in so I'm wondering

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if the city has made any efforts to work
with the state on like streamlining SQA

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reviews or like you know there's a
stadium in LA that famously got put up

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quickly with SQL streamlining processes.
So I'm very curious to hear about that.

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Thank you.

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Hi, my name is Karen Grant. I live on
Meadow Crest. This isn't the issue I

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came for tonight, but I think it was
absolutely ridiculous that the town

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closed for two weeks. Unless you're a
school kid or a school teacher, who

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takes two weeks off at the holidays?
Most people get Christmas Eve, Christmas

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Day, New Year's Eve, New Year's Day. Has
this always been the case? I was really

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up against the gun to get a permit
because the solar

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um tax relief is ending. And it was I
just couldn't believe the town shut down

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for two weeks and gave themselves two
weeks off. Thank you.

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Would anyone else like to speak
in the room? Uh how about online?

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» We have three hands raised from
attendees online. We'll start with Patty

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Stolier. Right.
>> Go ahead, Patty. Good evening. Thank you

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everybody. Um I just want to report out
a couple things from the Twin Cities

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disaster preparedness committee meeting
yesterday. Uh one is we kept reiterating

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that people were thinking this was due
to the rain. It was not due to the rain.

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It was due to the king tides and the
rain didn't help any. But it wasn't

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anything like 1982 when we got 16 ines
of rain in three days. Um and so uh that

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meant it was very predictable.
People sort of took it in stride when

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they heard that the king tides were
coming. And we talked about the

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possibility of maybe having blue flag
days when there was going to be a a

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really urgent necessity to uh get the
word out and call people's attention to

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the potential threat. And the other was
um maybe some signs in neighborhoods

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that are low. I think there's one over
by Lucky that says this area is prone to

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flooding, but um that would be good to
have those. I think uh the town did an

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amazing job overall. Uh, as Susie said,
getting the word out a little bit late,

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but um, I kept trying to correct people
and Bob Bundy kept trying to correct

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people on Next Door if they were
thinking that the towns had, you know, a

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hundred years to figure this out and why
haven't they stopped the rain and the

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tide. So that I think people just need
to get an inflatable Bobo punching bag

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and let their um uh frustrations out
rather than posting on Next Door. But um

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I think overall we weathered so to speak
the storm pretty well and um hats off to

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Cord Madera and we made all the news.
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Um, next we have Roy Walford.

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» Go ahead, Roy.

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» Good evening.
I uh echo the compliments to the town

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staff who was on the point, fire
department. They're real good. Also, Mil

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Valley Refuge. Uh my wife asked her to
give them a call, say, "Hey, pick up the

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garbage real early."
uh because uh the day before uh it was

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one day delayed in picking up garbage
because of the holiday

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and the trash cans, all the cans were
floating down Seawolf Passage and I was

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going out trying to pull them up,
knocking on doors saying, "Hey, pull in

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your cans because the tide was coming
in." And I have, my wife and I have

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lived uh here since 1974.
And the most our garage or house ever

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flooded was a few inches into the
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We had on Friday three and a half inches
uh of water in the garage and the

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following day we had 8 and 12 in and we
had sandbags and everything else. The

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following day I got smarter about
sandbags. I also got a submersible pump.

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So I pumped out water as fast as it came
in. So if anybody's sandbagging, get a

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submersible pump. But the real key issue
here is with all the things going on

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with the earth, the astronomical, there
was uh there there was a confluence of

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unexpected items that were not
predicted. So the predictable tide uh

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was in the 7.2 ft area. It wound up
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Now, there was another flood just 200s
of a foot less in 1998,

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and it was on February six. You go check
the records, and it was an 8

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uh 57, something like that. We never
flooded from that. What's the

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difference? Well, there were a lot of
things. There was an offshore storm

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surge with the wind blowing from the
southsoutheast. It pushed the water in.

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We had lots of rain, lots of runoff,
settlement, subsidance.

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We settled our we had subsidance uh
between 1998 uh and this year of

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probably a little over a foot and that
one foot made all the difference. And it

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was obvious that an awful lot of the
houses uh along the shoreline have

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lowlying land. They need to build that
up. And I know Bob has been talking many

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years uh about getting a burm or a levy
out there. It's needed and it's got to

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be at least 10 foot. We've got lots of
material to build those leveies. It was

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from dredging Cordadera Creek in the
mid70s when the fairies were coming in

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and it build up a lot of the levies that
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I hope the town really presses to to get
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know when another storm was hit and a
predicted tide is being predicted for,

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uh, December, but we don't know if all
the astronomical, astrological, and all

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those things will come together all at
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» Thank you. Thank you, Roy. Okay. And
then we have one hand raised from

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Elizabeth Oul.

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» Go ahead, please.
Hi, this is Elizabeth and John at uh 19

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Harbor and uh we live two doors down
from Lauren who spoke uh a few speakers

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back and we're probably echoing most of
what she said but um I think our house

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was hit the hardest in our neighborhood.
We have tens of thousands of dollars

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worth of damage to our house and uh we
just we really need the burm to be

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reinforced along this stretch of San
Clemeni Creek. Uh it's it's affected so

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many homes along here. Uh and um we were
just wondering if there's any chance

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it's three days later, but
for the governor, Mr. Newsome uh to

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declare some kind of state of emergency
after the fact to get some kind of uh

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help, financial help to uh deal
>> FEMA or whatever to deal with

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» uh what we we're going through right
now. It's uh it's um it's not a good new

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year so far for us. So uh that's all I
wanted to say. Uh thank you and and I

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seed the rest of my time.

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Thank you. And then one more hand
[clears throat] raised um from Peter

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Butt.

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Go ahead, Peter.
Oh, he might have changed his mind and

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the hand went down.
Oh, it's back up. Sorry,

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» Peter. Go ahead. Sorry, I'm here.
Uh I live on Golden Heind Passage, uh

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part of the NRG with with Susie and I've
heard a couple of mentions um about

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communication and and there's there's a
lot of of um long-term planning, right,

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and and uh discussions that have
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and and for the foreseeable uh future as
to what solves are. But from a from a a

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shorter term communication standpoint,
um I I don't feel and and maybe it was a

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miss on my part. I'm a little bit of a
weather nerd. I tend to to look at

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websites, but I don't feel that the
advanced warning and notification was as

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solid as it could have been. Whether
that's Alert Marin or or Nixie or, you

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know, from the town itself, but
something that seems to be an easier

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fix. Um, you know, at some point you can
only fight the water so much, but at

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least getting people prepared as best
they can to be as as as have as many

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sandbags as they can and and whatnot.
Uh, I felt like I was a little caught

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off guard and again, maybe that was just
me, but thank you.

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» Thank you.
No other hands raised from attendees um

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online and the comments that we received
via email were added to the website and

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are available for the public to view. Um
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has been received.
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Thank you. Um thank you to everyone who
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house. Please step forward.

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» Good evening. U Thank you. I just I'm
Lucinda Smith and I would like to make a

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request. Um I love the fact that we have
the board over there, but when we're

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having detailed information showing on
it, it's sometimes difficult to see it.

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And I was wondering, I know you have to
have it for the the uh council, but I

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was wondering if we could have another
one that would be behind the mayor,

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which would be more visible for all of
the audience to see. just I know it's an

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expense but a consideration. Thank you.
>> Thank you. And is there anyone else?

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» All right then. So,
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Yeah. And and thank you, Mayor Thomas.
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piece of clarification. We do have an
item a special meeting item on after the

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regular agenda which is the proclamation
of a local emergency. So this is I

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appreciate everyone speaking now. I'd
like to first off just um really thank

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everybody for providing coming here
tonight if you if you did or speaking

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online. I think we are still in a lot of
ways um just coming off. I think today

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is the first day we had some drying out.
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yesterday
um with road closures and um and I know

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other structures and garages closed um
flooded as well. But I I think it's

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really important for us to hear uh from
our community uh what happened. Um we

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aren't in all places at all times. So, I
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and really I'm I my heart goes out to
those that were really severely flooded.

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That's the first I'm hearing that
actually some homes themselves were were

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flooded and I was actually at um
Lauren's house, I guess, before it got

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really bad on uh Saturday. So, uh, but
thank you for coming here. Um, and I

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also understand council member Cassiso
is over at that same area of Harbor on

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the other side of 21. And so it's it's
just really important for us to hear the

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concerns um about what what went wrong.
You know, what I appreciate some of the

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comments about seeing staff out there
and what we did okay and did right. I

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mean, there's always room for for being
better as staff, being better prepared.

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Um uh and so I think hearing from all of
you is really most important for this

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evening. I know we'll have um
opportunity in the near future to

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discuss sort of more of the narrative of
how we responded and how we intend to do

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better going forward. Um, I will like I
I also wanted to use some of this time

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just to alert inform the council of
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some of our current thoughts and some of
the things that we observed

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um and uh talk about perhaps uh
following up at the next meeting or

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certainly in the future. There were some
suggestions for having separate

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meetings. We have a flood board as well
that has regular public meetings on just

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these types of issues, but we will
certainly be following up. And

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importantly, I think one thing we
certainly can do

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is um this was a this was an extreme
event. Um this was uh I kept hearing the

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news calling it an epic flood, which is
not I think that's only on the West

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Coast they're going to be using that
word, but but it was an extreme title

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event. Um I think there were uh many of
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down Marin in the county. I think it's
fair to say a certain degree caught off

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guard by the extreme. We we knew the
king tides were coming. We've had king

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tides tides before, but that additional
confluence of wind and the storm surge

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and the rain as well. Um I don't we've
we were at record levels if not record

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levels we were like this far below
record record levels from a actual title

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event and so um it was uh something that
we were not expecting when uh until

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Friday and then certainly once Friday
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that it was going to be about a foot and
a half above expected tide um we started

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preparing in and uh more significantly
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uh, this event did expose
our vulnerabilities that we've been

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talking about for a long time in terms
of title flooding.

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Uh, we haven't seen this, as I said, it
was a record event in decades. Um, this

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wasn't just an event that affected
private property. We had major regional

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highway infrastructure impacted uh, on
Saturday. I'm looking over at Chief

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Martin. I know his his team and and CMFA
was out there on the highway carrying

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people out out of the water and and uh
towing cars and really supporting and

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making sure that critical infrastructure
could could be safe to pass as much as

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possible. Um
we had low-lying commercial areas that

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were severely affected. Um, I did reach
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the family who owns Big Five and and SF
Fitness. I think their their take is it

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was they did a pretty good job
mitigating. It was it was uh um

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certainly they were significantly
impacted but not to the extent that I

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think it looked like from some of the
images and we you know I reached out to

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say we're there to support you and what
can we do and I would say that to

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everybody here as well like the needs
what you know what are the things that

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the town can do this is the time that it
would be helpful to hear that we did

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hear from some that the that um the a
debris box would be helpful. And so

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we've got one out there with the help of
MVRS early today out at Cove Parking

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Lot. Um but if there's another location
uh in Marina Village, let us know. We we

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there are actually better locations to
to um place those perhaps at the end of

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of uh Harbor Drive, street end, one of
the street ends. We're happy to do that

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and get get right on that. Um
uh but we also had town facilities

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damaged. Our corporation yard um I I
should say flooded for the last 4 days

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and is out of commission. Um our interim
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Um that power is out there right now. Um
so we it was pretty extensive damage. We

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haven't seen that at the courtyard for
many many decades as well. Um, and we're

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we're figuring out how to actually so
while our maintenance team was out there

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actually trying to do all the good work
of uh keeping our pump stations running

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and delivering sand uh their own they
flooding as well at at um the

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corporation yard. And so we'll we'll be
talking about that. We're currently

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doing an initial damage assessment and
estimate for the town. Um and we'll be

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working on that with respect to mostly
our corporation yard and some pump

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facilities as well. Um, and so I do want
to just comment and thank our the team

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that was out there during the weekend,
uh, starting, you know, really New

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Year's Day, uh, through, uh, yesterday.
Um, our public works team,

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in particular, interim director Chris
Good. Um, I also really want to

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highlight Superintendent Wes Sitler's
work. He was non-stop for days. um our

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entire maintenance team uh Nick Udeni,
Neil, Lucas, uh other Nick and uh also

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just mention our support that we had as
we always do from Flores as well. They

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were out there in force as well and so
that was really important to have those

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extra hands.
um you know they our infrastructure held

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up relatively I I think it's fair to say
well um given the circumstances um you

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know our staff they're monitoring and
keeping all our pump stations

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uh working I think it can't be
understated the importance um not only

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the extreme on Saturday but this has
been four days our infrastructure has

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been dealing with these floods so it's
not just a one-day event of an record

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tide it's the length I think of the high
tides which we haven't seen before as

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well. And so that infrastructure, all
the pumps working constantly over that

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period of time really tested them and
they held up well. We had one pump uh I

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think one pump station over at Black
Kettle Lagoon um burn out and so that's

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in that's actually out right now and
we're um trying to seek uh repair and

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potentially replacement for that. Um,
our public works staff also assisted

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assisted CMPA
with road closures um throughout town. I

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want to thank CMPA for being out there.
Um, [snorts]

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uh, we had brought in some overtime um,
some additional officers to support that

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effort. Again, not only most of their
focus was along the major um, exits and

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entrances to Highway 101.
Um and public works also uh as much as

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we could procure and deliver additional
um sand to uh the stations as well as as

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out there. And I understand certainly
there's probably some lessons there

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learned as well. But according to West,
we had about 30 to 35 tons of sand. Uh

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well over,200 sandbags were deployed to
the sandbag stations throughout town.

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Um what we um
uh I'll just quickly report that with

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the corporation yard um we currently
where we have um as you know we we have

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some hazardous materials there. We do
have to do some cleanup with Serpro and

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some professionals. will be hiring some
professionals to uh assess the damage

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and it could be several weeks that um
that facility can't be used at this

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time. So, I just giving the council a
heads up on that and we'll be trying to

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make some temporary arrangements for our
staff in the meantime in terms of use

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the use of that facility.
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you know, I I think uh again just want
to

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focus on um taking in information at
this point. And so uh if there is

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additional information that the
community wants to uh share with us, we

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have set up a an email address. Um we're
going to tempor we're going to use for

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now public comment at uh court ofa.gov
uh for um reporting concerns. It's the

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public there's many eyes looking at that
public comment email. So I think it's a

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good a good way to make sure that we're
receiving any uh concerns from our

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community or needs that are um raised
over the next few days. Um, and as well

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we've talked about getting a form out
there just to get a better handle on the

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damage that's occurred at various
different locations. Um, we have a bunch

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of uh images and photographs. That's
also useful as we continue our

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discussions about how to better protect
uh the community out there uh on the

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east side, but also other areas of town.
Um and so this is a process of where we

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actually um are going to hopefully
better understand the weak points in our

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flood protection and address those um as
quickly as possible. I know we have a a

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good uh opportunity with our strategic
planning session with the council coming

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up to talk about that and I assume we
will do so. Um and this will be uh one

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of the most important topics to discuss
that. Um

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with that I think I can unless the
council has questions for me um I can

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stop my report at this time. Um,
you know, I I do think at the end of the

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day, we have to look at this as an
opportunity to raise awareness

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um and urgency as well, not only with
our community, but our regional partners

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and find longer term solutions to uh
this recurring issue. Um hopefully not

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as extreme as we've seen, but we know it
it will recur. So, thanks.

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Thank you very much. Um, council, do you
have any questions?

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» I have one. Ready?
>> I'm going to put you on the spot, Adam.

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» I think I've raised this before. Am I
allowed to ask a question?

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It turns it into an agenda item. We can
wait till the the next meeting then.

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I'll bring it up then.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Okay. Great. Then we will move on to an
interview for a applicant to the

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commission on aging and that

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applicant is an Sparkman.
Hello,

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welcome.
Good evening, mayor,

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uh, vice mayor, and council members, and
thank you for the opportunity to apply

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for this, uh, role and for speaking
tonight. Thank you very much.

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» Okay. Well, we will give you one minute
for an opening statement if you'd like

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and then you'll have four questions that
I believe have been provided to you

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00:36:52,400 --> 00:37:01,599
ahead of time and um you'll have two
minutes to answer those and then each of

409
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:08,480
those and then um a closing statement if
you prefer. All right. So um you may

410
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:13,280
share a little bit about yourself
please. Thank you.

411
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:18,560
We have lived here in Cto Madera for 35
years and it's been a great great

412
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:23,119
experience. We live on the east side.
We're the hill dwellers on the hill

413
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:28,079
dweller side and our kids went to school
here um actually through the Reed system

414
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:34,160
but then to Redwood High and a lot of
their friends over here on the west

415
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:39,520
side. So, it's um been a a good journey
and I'm very proud of the town and I

416
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:46,960
wanted to talk about um age related
issues and I want to congratulate Corda

417
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:52,320
Madera for being an age friendly town
and um we have discussed that fact and

418
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:57,920
I'm going to stop my opening right now.
Okay, I'm going to move in to the

419
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:01,839
questions but before I do that, can I
say one more thing please?

420
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,760
» Yes. I'm a I have an interest in this
because I'm a nurse attorney and I did

421
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,760
healthcare law so it's really near and
dear to me. Um so that's my opening

422
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:15,760
statement.
>> Wonderful. So the first question is what

423
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,839
well it almost answers that but you can
reiterate if you want to add anything.

424
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:24,640
What motivated you to apply for the
commission on aging and what do you hope

425
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:30,000
to accomplish with your participation?
>> Thank you. Yes, I did allude to that a

426
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:37,119
bit, but actually some more distinct
events took place in the last 10 years.

427
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:43,119
Um, a family member has um aged older
than me and requires a lot of of help

428
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,800
and a lot of hospitalizations,
all of that. And I'm sure you and your

429
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:53,040
families have been through it. So, it's
a lived experience, but also um we've

430
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:57,440
discussed this. I'm um on the dis the
Marin Healthcare District and this is

431
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:01,040
one of our subjects because aging
adults, you know, have um

432
00:39:00,341 --> 00:39:06,400
[sighs and gasps]
food, housing insecurity, everything.

433
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:11,119
You know, they really do face a lot of
issues here in Marin and they're

434
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:16,240
growing. So, that's what spurred my
interest. But in particular, and I don't

435
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:24,480
know if you're aware of the civil grand
jury issued a report in 2022 to 2023

436
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:30,880
on the silver tsunami in Marin, and I've
been kind of following that. So that's

437
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:37,119
that's what motivated me as well.
>> Um, what do you see as the most pressing

438
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:45,200
issues facing older adults and family
caregivers in Marin today? There's two

439
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:50,079
kind of parallel um threads. One thread
is in the medical arena. You know, it's

440
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:54,720
very hard to get PCPs through primary
care doctors. I was speaking with a

441
00:39:52,480 --> 00:40:01,040
woman at a at a Marin Villages event
recently and it took her one year to get

442
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:05,680
a PCP. So, that's an issue. It's also an
issue with a hospitalization.

443
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:10,640
Oftentimes, not having family members at
advocates, things of that nature. and

444
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:15,040
then post hospitalization going to
post-accute care is very challenging.

445
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:21,359
Those are hard transitions for the
family. They really are. So those are um

446
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:26,960
pressing issues on the medical side, but
there's also issues on the home side

447
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:32,480
with your caregiver, your activities of
daily living. It's very challenging. You

448
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:36,720
can be very isolated. You have IT
challenges, home repairs, and you want

449
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:40,960
to stay in place rather than go to a
facility. So, it's kind of a mixture of

450
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:45,200
both of those threads. Those are the
issues.

451
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:49,520
Um, how do you see the role of
commission in promoting dignity,

452
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:54,720
independence, and quality of life for
older adults and caregivers in Marin

453
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:59,119
County?
Um, in terms of the commission, I see

454
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:05,520
them as kind of a
as a hub, a central hub, and then you

455
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:12,319
have spokes going out with the towns and
the agencies and some of the um like the

456
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:19,200
hospitals and other healthcare entities.
So, I see the commission as the hub in

457
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:23,920
in coordinating and um in in addressing
all of these challenging issues. That's

458
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:28,480
how I see the commission.
Wonderful. That's really good answer.

459
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:34,319
Um, and then how would you encourage
broader community input and engagement

460
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:39,280
in the commission's work?
I would say uh

461
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:45,760
the commission and or towns actually
also need to promote their good work

462
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:49,520
like uh the commission can share best
practices like with court of Madera

463
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:56,000
we're age friendly. I don't know of the
other towns if they are things of that

464
00:41:52,160 --> 00:42:02,720
nature. Sharing also um challenges how
you overcome those um resources.

465
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,319
So that's what I see as kind of a one of
the solutions.

466
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,560
» Yes.
>> Thank you.

467
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,599
» And um if you would like to give a one
minute closing statement, you may do so

468
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:17,599
now.
>> You could have a little water.

469
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:23,280
» Absolutely. I had an In-N-Out Burger and
they're too soft. [laughter]

470
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:27,079
I know they make you thirsty.
Water in there. Okay.

471
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:43,359
In closing,
I I want to see this as an opportunity

472
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:50,319
to um kind of promote our town and our
our best work and also our elders. When

473
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:54,400
we moved in, we had neighbors and the
women in our neighborhood bought the

474
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:58,079
development on Ring Mountain. And I
don't think people know about that. And

475
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,880
do you know how much we use Ring
Mountain and how important that is to

476
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:07,599
our health and not only medical but
mental and that's the other thing in

477
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:12,319
closing the mental health is just so
ignored and we really need to address

478
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:18,469
that. So thank you all for your
consideration. We really appreciate it.

479
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:18,469
Thank you very much. [laughter]

480
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:30,400
All right then. Um,
would anyone like to make a motion or uh

481
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:38,560
make a comment? I will move that we have
an Sparkman serve the remainder of the

482
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:43,680
2026 term on the age council. And um I
would like to say that I'm so excited

483
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:48,319
for you to step up because I know that
once we get our intergenerational center

484
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:53,040
going, you will be one of the smiling
faces that I see there. It's a great

485
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:57,839
place to lobby people to get involved
and and do things. I think it will be.

486
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:02,880
» We'll second the motion.
>> All right. Please take a vote. And just

487
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:08,880
for the record, we didn't receive public
comment on that item. Um and no hands

488
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:17,200
raised. No hands from um Zoom attendees
are raised at this time either. Um so we

489
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:20,079
have a motion and a second. And I will
call the vote. Council member Andrews,

490
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,079
» yes.
>> Council member Beckman,

491
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:25,839
» absolutely.
>> Council member Ravasio,

492
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,680
» wholeheartedly.
>> Vice Mayor Cassissa,

493
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:30,640
» yes.
>> Mayor Thomas,

494
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:35,359
» enthusiastically.
>> Thank you. The motion carries.

495
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:39,640
» Thank you, Ann. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you. Look forward to it.

496
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,760
» Thank you.
>> Yes.

497
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:02,319
We move on to the consent calendar. The
purpose of the consent calendar is to

498
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:06,960
group items together for which uh which
are routine or have been discussed

499
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:12,560
previously and do not require further
discussion. They will be approved in a

500
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:17,280
single motion. Any member of the public
may comment on the consent calendar.

501
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:24,079
Town council, town staff, or the public
may request removal of an item from the

502
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:29,240
consent calendar. Um, do we have any
public comment on the consent calendar?

503
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:39,839
Okay. Uh, anyone on the council wish to,
uh, remove an item or discuss an item on

504
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:42,560
the consent calendar?
All right. Then, may I have a motion to

505
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:45,200
approve?
>> I'll make the motion to move the consent

506
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,800
calendar.
>> Second.

507
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:50,560
» Council member Andrews.
>> Yes.

508
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,720
» Council member Beckman.
>> Yes. Council member Ovasio,

509
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,960
» yes.
>> Vice Mayor Thomas, Vice Mayor Casissa,

510
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,800
sorry.
>> Mayor Thomas,

511
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:05,200
» yes.
>> Thank you. The motion carries.

512
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:10,240
» Thank you. Uh next we have um a public
hearing, the first reading and possible

513
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:16,640
introduction of an ordinance related to
the subdivision and development of

514
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:22,560
qualified Senate Bill SB9
projects and amending portions of title

515
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:27,200
17 subdivisions, title 18 zoning and
title 22 objective design and

516
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:33,839
development standards of the Cord
Madiraa municipal code. And I believe

517
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:39,040
that uh principal planner Martha
Batitalia has the report for us.

518
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:43,920
» Yes. Good evening, honorable mayor and
members of the council. This evening,

519
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:48,640
you'll be holding a public hearing and
considering amendments to the town's

520
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:52,800
existing SP9 regulations.
A planning staff proposes amendments to

521
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:58,319
the existing regulations to ensure
compliance with Senate Bill 450. Uh the

522
00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:03,440
draft ordinance also includes several
minor clerical and clarifying amendments

523
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,760
that have been identified by staff. Uh
the draft ordinance is included as

524
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:11,520
attachment one uh to the packet and the
proposed changes to the ordinance are

525
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:16,839
shown in strikethrough for text proposed
to be deleted and underlined for new

526
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:16,839
text.

527
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:23,520
Uh the first portion of the presentation
includes some background information on

528
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:28,240
state laws.
Uh, Senate Bill 9, also known as the

529
00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:35,280
California Home Act, was signed by
Governor Nuome in September 2021 and

530
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:40,079
became effective on January 1st, 2022.
The bill allows homeowners within single

531
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:44,800
family zoning districts to build up to
two housing units on their existing

532
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:52,200
parcel or to legally split their single
family parcel into two separate parcels

533
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:52,200
and develop each with two units.

534
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:59,200
Next slide.
U most single family residential

535
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:03,200
properties in the state were affected by
SB9.

536
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:07,280
This legislation applies to all single
family residential zone properties

537
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:12,319
within an urbanized area with some
limited exceptions which includes such

538
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:17,280
things as if the parcel is located in a
historic district. The map on the slide

539
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:24,160
shows the zoning districts in Cord
Madera and SP9 applies to all parcels

540
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:28,400
that that are zoned R1 which is the
beige color and it's the most common of

541
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:35,680
the residentially zoned parcels in in
town. Also applies to R1A shown in

542
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:41,359
yellow to R1B shown in lime and to R1C
shown in green. Next slide.

543
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:46,640
Uh there are two different scenarios uh
for development under SB9. Uh the first

544
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:52,400
is additional development when the lot
is not being subdivided.

545
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:57,680
Um on a vacant lot, two new SP9 units
can be built and the minimum size per

546
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:03,359
state law is 800 square ft for each
unit. SP9 allows for an additional unit

547
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:08,720
on a property that is developed with an
existing uh residence. And this type of

548
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:13,839
scenario is not very common in court of
Madera. In instances when a property

549
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:21,520
owner is not subdividing their property,
it's more common for an owner to add an

550
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:27,760
additional unit using ADU state law.
Um SP9 also allows for property to be

551
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:33,040
subdivided into two approximately
equalsiz parcels. Uh following the

552
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:38,800
subdivision, each parcel but must be a
minimum of 1,200 square ft and

553
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:44,119
homeowners can build uh two homes on
each of the lots for a total of four

554
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:44,119
units.

555
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:53,280
Next slide. Uh Senate Bill 450 uh was
signed by Governor Nuome in September

556
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:59,520
2024 and it became effective on January
1st, 2025.

557
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:04,559
Uh this bill amends SB9 in several ways.
U most notably uh the bill prohibits

558
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:09,599
local agencies from imposing objective
zoning subdivision or design standards

559
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,599
that are not applied uniformly to the
underlying zoning district. A

560
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:19,200
development standards that are applied
to SP9 projects can be more permissive

561
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:23,440
than the standards applied um to the
underlying zoning district, but they

562
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:29,359
cannot be more restrictive. and staff is
proposing several um amendments to the

563
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:33,119
existing SP9 regulations to comply with
this bill.

564
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:36,319
Slide.
Uh the next section includes some

565
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:42,880
background information on prior
ordinances adopted by the town and also

566
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:48,960
on applications that have been received.
uh given the limited time between when

567
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:54,319
SB9 um was signed in January in
September 2021 and when it became

568
00:50:51,520 --> 00:51:00,000
effective on January 1st, the town
council adopted an urgency ordinance in

569
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:04,880
January 2022 to regulate projects
submitted pursuant to SB9.

570
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:09,680
The urgency ordinance adopted by the
town council established a ministerial

571
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:15,760
review process for projects submitted
under SP9 and it also included objective

572
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:21,680
standards. Uh subsequently on December
6, 2022, the town council adopted an

573
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:28,480
ordinance uh which became effective on
January 5th, 2023 which established the

574
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:34,720
permanent regulations for SB9 units and
for lot splits.

575
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:40,480
Next slide. Uh, the permanent SP9
ordinance included amendments to title

576
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:45,440
17 subdivisions, title 18 zoning, and
title 22 objective design and

577
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:50,640
development standards. The ministerial
review process that was included in the

578
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:54,720
permanent ordinance was the same as what
was established in the urgency

579
00:51:52,160 --> 00:52:01,200
ordinance. The permanent ordinance
included a new chapter, chapter 1831A,

580
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:06,000
which established the review process and
also included the development standards

581
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:10,079
for both two-unit developments and urban
lots split applications.

582
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:13,680
And most of the objective standards that
were in the urgency ordinance were

583
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:19,040
carried forward into the permanent
ordinance. And staff believes that most

584
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:23,880
of the existing objective standards can
continue to be applied to eligible

585
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,880
projects.

586
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:34,960
Uh, since SP9 became effective on
January 1st, 2022, the planning division

587
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:40,319
has received 11 SP9 lots split
applications as shown on this table. And

588
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:44,720
this table was also in the staff report
as well. Consistent with state law, the

589
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:48,720
applications have been reviewed
ministerally for compliance with

590
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:54,480
development standards in both the
urgency and permanent ordinance. Eight

591
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:59,520
of these maps have been recorded and the
application at 489 Monaceto was

592
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:04,240
withdrawn because the property owner was
unable to meet the fire hydrant

593
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:10,880
standard. Uh to date, the town has not
approved any SP9 units. Uh the property

594
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:15,119
owners of 208 Chapman Drive submitted a
design review application for an

595
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:20,480
approximate 1,800 square foot residence
on the new lot created through the SBI

596
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:25,359
lotslit. And this uh design review was
approved by the planning commission and

597
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:29,440
it's currently under construction.
Next slide.

598
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:34,079
This map shows the location of the urban
lots applications that have been

599
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:38,400
submitted in CTO Madera. Uh most of the
applications are in the hillside

600
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:43,000
neighborhoods and this map is included
as attachment three to

601
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:51,040
uh the town council also previously
adopted an ordinance in December 2021

602
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:57,040
which established objective standards
for qualifying multifamily projects in

603
00:53:53,520 --> 00:54:01,440
Porta Madera and this also included SB9
developments and these objective

604
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:07,760
standards are applied uh to projects
when dis typical discret ary processes

605
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:13,200
are not uh are not used. The objective
design and development standards also

606
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:19,760
referred to as odds toolkit is codified
in title 22 of the municipal code. The

607
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:25,440
odds toolkit includes a zone the T3 edge
neighborhood zone which applies to SP9

608
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:29,520
projects that are proposed on in single
family districts.

609
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:35,920
The permanent SP9 ordinance adopted by
the town council in 2022 included some

610
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:40,640
changes to the T3 edge zone to better
align those development standards with

611
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:45,119
the R1 zoning district standards.
Planning staff is proposing uh some

612
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:51,280
additional changes at this time uh to
comply with SB450 and changes are

613
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:56,160
proposed to the height standard to the E
parapit and also to the side setback

614
00:54:53,680 --> 00:55:01,319
standard. Those two are highlighted in
yellow on this table slide.

615
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:09,440
The town's existing SP9 ordinance
includes different size and height

616
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,839
requirements per unit which is based on
the setbacks of the unit.

617
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:18,880
These next few slides also include
additional information on allowable size

618
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:25,200
and heights and also on the existing
fire access and suppression standards.

619
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:32,079
The urgency ordinance adopted by the
town council in January 2022 included a

620
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:36,559
maximum unit size of 1,000 square feet.
The permanent ordinance adopted by the

621
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:42,240
council in December 2022 included a
two-tiered approach to size which which

622
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:46,800
limited the unit size to 800 square ft
if the unit was reducing side and rear

623
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:52,559
setbacks which is allowed under state
law. and a unit could be up to 1,200

624
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:59,760
square feet if the proposed unit met the
setbacks of the T3 edge zone which again

625
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:04,480
are similar to the R1 zoning district.
Staff felt that the proposed increase in

626
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:10,480
size could function as an incentive to
comply with the setbacks of the T3 edge

627
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:15,040
zone instead of units reducing setbacks
to 4 feet as allowed by state law. And

628
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:18,799
if a homeowner wanted to build a unit
larger than 12,200 square feet, they

629
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:24,559
could submit a design review
application. And this is what the owners

630
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:30,000
of 208 Chapman elected to do. And to
preserve the town's existing 1,200

631
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:34,720
square foot cap on SP9 units while
complying with SB450,

632
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:39,839
the design review chapter is also being
amended to exempt uh new units that are

633
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:44,559
1,200 square ft or less from the
discretionary design review process. And

634
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:50,160
these units would be required to comply
with uh the objective standards in

635
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:53,319
chapter 18.
Next slide.

636
00:56:53,359 --> 00:57:01,920
The existing T3 edge neighborhood zone
currently allows a maximum height of 22

637
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:07,040
feet to the highest eve parapit and a
maximum height of 30 feet overall. Uh

638
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:12,559
the height standard to the highest EVE
parapit is inconsistent with SB450

639
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:17,200
because the underlying residential
zoning district uh permits a maximum

640
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:20,960
height of 30 ft and it does not have a
separate height requirement to the EVE

641
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:26,960
parapit.
So the draft ordinance uh removes this

642
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:31,040
height requirement to the EVE parapit.
The permanent ordinance adopted in

643
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:36,240
December 2022 included two different
height standards for SP9 projects. The

644
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:40,640
allowable height is the same as the
height established in the T3 edge

645
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:47,520
neighborhood zone if the project meets
the setbacks of the T3 zone which again

646
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:52,799
mirror the R1 development standards. In
cases where units were located were

647
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:57,599
reducing setbacks. The maximum height
was 16 ft and that height could be

648
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:02,400
increased to 20 feet if the structure is
in the flood plane and is being raised

649
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:08,000
to comply with FEMA and Madera Municipal
Code. And the next few slides include

650
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:12,559
examples um of the allowable heights.
So in the first example,

651
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:18,960
uh this project meets the setback of the
T3 edge neighborhood zone as being

652
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:24,000
amended to comply with SB450.
So the setbacks are 20 ft for the front,

653
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:30,079
6 feet for the side, and 25 ft for the
rear. In this case, the maximum height

654
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:35,920
is 30 ft and the maximum unit size is
1,200 square ft. And the draft ordinance

655
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:40,960
is removing the height to the eve and
parapit and also modifying the side

656
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:46,240
setback from 10 feet to six feet. And
these changes are being made to comply

657
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:52,319
with SB 450.
Uh this next example uh the unit is

658
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:57,520
reducing uh the setbacks to 4 feet as
allowed by state law. So the setbacks

659
00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:02,400
are 20 ft for the front and then four
feet for the side and rear. In this

660
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:08,960
case, the maximum unit size is 800
square feet and the maximum height is 16

661
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:15,200
feet. In this example, uh the parcel is
not located within a flood flood plane.

662
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:20,160
Uh this third example assumes that the
property is in the flood plane. And in

663
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:25,040
this case, the height of the structure
can be raised an additional four feet.

664
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:29,760
So for each foot the structure is raised
to comply with FEMA regulations, the

665
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:37,599
height can increase by a foot. So the
maximum height is 20 feet, which allows

666
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:42,160
for a 4ft array. Um, in addition, the
side and rear setbacks are increased by

667
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:48,960
one foot for each additional foot of
height. So instead of a 4ft side and

668
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:53,960
rear setback, the setbacks are 8 feet.
and the maximum size of the unit is 800.

669
00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:01,520
Uh the adopted ordinance also included
several objective standards related to

670
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:06,240
fire access which are shown on this
slide. Planning staff discussed these

671
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:10,720
existing standards with the central
marin fire department fire chief Ruben

672
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:16,400
Martin and Chief Martin confirmed that
all of these standards apply to new

673
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:20,640
homes in the WOOI. Um so as such um no
changes are proposed to these existing

674
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:24,640
standards.
Next slide.

675
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:28,880
The adopted permanent ordinance also
included several fire suppression

676
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:33,839
standards which are shown on this slide.
And one of the existing fire suppression

677
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:38,960
standards um requires that when the unit
is located 5 ft uh to a a fence that the

678
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:44,960
fence material needs to be a
non-combustible material. This standard

679
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:53,079
is not required for other residences and
so it's proposed to be removed um from

680
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:53,079
the ordinance to comply with SB4.

681
01:00:54,319 --> 01:01:02,160
The draft ordinance also includes some
additional amendments to title 17 and

682
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:07,839
also to title 18 as well. The ordinance
revises the time that a final parcel map

683
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:12,799
um can be obtained once a tenative map
is approved from one year to two years

684
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:17,200
and this change is being made to ensure
consistency with the subdivision map

685
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:23,680
act. Additionally, revisions are
proposed to section 1721040

686
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:29,359
and these amendments bring the current
code language into alignment with how a

687
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:34,559
map is actually filed. This existing
section is very outdated and it doesn't

688
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:38,319
align with um how maps are actually
filed.

689
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:42,520
Uh the ordinance also includes a new
section section 1824115

690
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:50,559
and this section adds relevant housing
crisis act provisions into the zoning

691
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:54,079
ordinance. Um among other things, the
housing crisis act precludes the town

692
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:58,160
from approving a project that would
reduce the number of dwelling units on a

693
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:02,559
property. And it also includes
requirements for a developer to comply

694
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:08,160
with replacement or relocation
requirements of a protected unit that's

695
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:12,920
demolished. And the ordinance includes
uh defines what a protected unit is.

696
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:21,040
The planning commission held the public
hearing on December 9th to consider the

697
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:25,839
proposed draft ordinance. Um, on
December 9th, prior to the the hearing,

698
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:30,319
staff provided the commission with a
revised draft ordinance. The revision

699
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:36,640
included the addition of two new
definitions in sections 1831A30.

700
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:43,040
These new definitions were for
right-of-way and street and also

701
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:48,079
included a a rec a modification to a a
section to clarify that each resulting

702
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:53,440
parcel must have access to provide
access to or adjoin the public vehicular

703
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:57,359
ride of way. Um staff believes these
changes reflect the intent of the

704
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:01,520
current language. The planning
commission adopted a resolution

705
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:06,640
recommending that the town council adopt
the ordinance with several modifications

706
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:11,200
which include revising the general plan
consistency section to state that

707
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:16,000
certain policies and programs related to
slopes and environmental constraints

708
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:20,079
cannot be applied to SB9 projects.
correcting a government code citation

709
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:25,960
and then revising a section to clarify
the procedures apply to

710
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,960
non-discretionary projects.

711
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:31,520
Next slide. Uh so there are several
options available to the council this

712
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:35,599
evening. The council could consider
introduction of the ordinance as

713
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:39,920
presented or consider introduction of
the ordinance with modifications or

714
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:44,720
could direct staff to return with
additional information and analysis and

715
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:49,119
continue the discussion at a future.
That concludes the staff presentation.

716
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:54,000
I'm available for any questions. In
addition, Chief Martin is here available

717
01:03:51,520 --> 01:04:00,400
to answer questions about fire access
and also the assistant town attorney and

718
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:07,839
Danforth is also participating remotely.
>> Thank you very much.

719
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:13,440
Um, do let's see do public comment.
>> Okay. All right. Do I have questions

720
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:18,480
from the council?
>> Jim. Yes, [clears throat] I'm looking at

721
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:22,400
the access and fire suppression
standards.

722
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:27,359
Uh
it says

723
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:34,880
of a proposed unit is located more than
150 ft from a frontage roadway. Could

724
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:40,160
you define what frontage roadway means?
So that would basically be your fire

725
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:46,079
apparatus access roadways. So it's any
roadway that has uh meets the current

726
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:50,000
town accord standards and some of these
that do not. So this basically every

727
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:58,079
roadway that's here. So what we're
saying is that it needs to have access

728
01:04:52,319 --> 01:05:03,760
to a public rideway or a public roadway.
Okay.

729
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:10,240
And then it says,
"Uquire a minimum 20 foot wide driveway

730
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:17,119
for any project in the wildland urban
interface that includes a new driveway.

731
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:23,440
If you're connected to a
couple of thousand foot long

732
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:28,400
private driveway that doesn't meet the
16 ft standard,

733
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:34,559
would you just ignore that?"
>> No. If uh that driveway sits solely on

734
01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:38,720
one parcel in one property, they would
have to improve that entire driveway to

735
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:44,319
16 ft.
>> Okay? And if it's a half a dozen or

736
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:48,799
dozen parcels all connecting to a shared
driveway,

737
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:53,680
» and so what we can only do is um allow
or require these improvements or roadway

738
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:59,200
infrastructure improvements on the
existing parcel that's actually creating

739
01:05:56,319 --> 01:06:04,480
a project. So, for example, I can't have
one property owner fix the entire

740
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:09,760
infrastructure for 12 parcels. Um, they
can only improve a pond and widen a

741
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:14,079
roadway that sits adjacent to their
property. And you and you actually

742
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,640
currently require them to do that.
>> Yes, we do.

743
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:21,599
» Okay.
And

744
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:25,920
if they're connecting to this private
driveway, but they're also

745
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:30,480
one of the big lot, you know, the big
lot that's getting split

746
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:34,160
» is on a main street.
>> Would you require them to have a

747
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:40,160
driveway to that main street?
>> Um, if we anticipate requiring access to

748
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:45,280
get to the property, then yes, we would
require a driveway to be 16 ft in length

749
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:49,760
for us to get to the residence. Yes.
Okay.

750
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:55,680
» Now, if the residence has say a short 25
ft driveway, which is typical for most U

751
01:06:53,119 --> 01:07:00,480
single family residences, and we have
access from that frontage roadway, that

752
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:03,760
won't we won't require the long access
and turnarounds that fire departments

753
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:08,799
need because we can access it from the
existing roadway.

754
01:07:05,839 --> 01:07:12,039
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

755
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:16,559
» Uh, anyone else have questions? I I just
had a couple.

756
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:21,599
» Okay, good.
>> Um, information overload, but I

757
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:25,440
appreciate all the work. [laughter]
It seems assuming the height

758
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:29,119
requirements higher than what we the
town had before. Is that correct? Or is

759
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:34,079
that the way I'm reading it?
>> Well, the the main change is uh we're

760
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:38,559
removing the height standard to the EVE
parapit because that standard doesn't

761
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:43,920
apply to the under in the underlying
zoning district. So that's being

762
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:47,599
modified so that if a if if a if a unit
complies with the setbacks then it can

763
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:54,000
be up to 30 feet and there's no longer a
22 foot height standard. Um and then the

764
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:58,400
the height of the structure is either 16
if they're reducing setbacks then the

765
01:07:55,599 --> 01:08:02,960
max height is 16 ft up to 20t if it's in
a flood plane and that is similar to how

766
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:06,559
we treat allowable height of ADUs as
well if they're reducing setbacks.

767
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,599
» Okay. And all these changes are pretty
much ma mandated by state law. Correct.

768
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,720
Correct.
>> Okay. And then just one quick question

769
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:17,040
for you, Ruben. On one of these
properties, um, it notes that a property

770
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,880
owner was unable to comply with the fire
hydrant requirement. Can you just

771
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:25,679
background what that was?
>> Yes.

772
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:30,080
» Um, thank you, uh, Council Member Casa.
Yes. So, our uh objective standard for

773
01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:35,359
our fire hydrant requirements is there
needs to be a hydrant with the ability

774
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:40,400
to supply 1,000 gallons a minute um
within 350 ft of wherever that

775
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:45,440
resident's driveway or access point is
going to be. So, if you for example can

776
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:49,679
think of I'm going to walk out my front
door, go to the roadway, whether I go

777
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:54,960
left or right, do I have a hydrant
within 350 ft? Um the property in

778
01:08:52,880 --> 01:09:00,480
question unfortunately there was no
water man that it sat through the middle

779
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:04,880
of the roadway all the way up quarter
Avenue. So it would have been too cost

780
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:10,640
prohibitive for the property owner when
you split it to put in I think it was

781
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:12,560
1500 ft of linear pipe. Um so it would
have been a multi-million dollar

782
01:09:11,839 --> 01:09:14,080
project.
>> Okay.

783
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:20,560
» Just to split it.
>> Okay. Thanks.

784
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:26,400
» Uh any questions?
Thank you Martha. Um just a question

785
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:30,480
about 209 itself. So I don't know if you
know all the details of that law but I

786
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:35,839
understand there are requirements
regarding ownership and occupancy of

787
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:41,199
these projects of these properties that
are involved. Is that true? And do you

788
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:46,560
know what those requirements are? So SP9
has a requirement that the applicant uh

789
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:51,520
needs to intend to live in one of the
units for three years once the the map

790
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:56,159
is approved. So there's an affidavit
requirement uh that an applicant submits

791
01:09:54,159 --> 01:10:00,719
um stating the intent to reside in one
of the units. So, not that they've lived

792
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:04,800
in it prior or they live in it
currently, just that they plan to live

793
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:10,000
in it after it's built or
>> Yeah, it's they need to intend to reside

794
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:13,840
in one of the units for 3 years after
the map is approved.

795
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,000
» Okay.
Thank you.

796
01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:30,239
» Uh now we'd like to open it up to uh
public um comment. Uh is there anyone in

797
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:37,480
the room who would like to um
step to the microphone and

798
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:37,480
yes we have one. Thank you.

799
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:52,320
» Hi Karen Grant again. Mine is the
property at 1161 Meadow Suite Meadow

800
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:59,120
Crest which I subdivided
under SB9. I I first want to clarify. I

801
01:10:56,480 --> 01:11:03,360
feel like after attending the planning
commission meeting on this, you're

802
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:09,760
debating all this, but it's my
understanding that you've been out of

803
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:15,760
compliance with SB450 for a year now.
So, you kind of have to adopt the

804
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:23,280
changes to comply with California law.
Anyway, um it took me three and a half

805
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:30,880
years. I feel the town was an obstacle
to doing it, which wasn't the intent or

806
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:36,560
the spirit of SB9. It cost me $50,000.
Um, the way the town deals with outside

807
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:42,719
consultant, they have just one that kept
reviewing my plans. The public works

808
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:47,840
pays whatever bills come in. They don't
question them. There's no transparency.

809
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:51,840
I could not see their hours. They kept
making revisions and I'm like, "Why

810
01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:57,120
didn't you make this the first revision
or the second? Why are you bringing it

811
01:11:53,360 --> 01:12:01,120
up now? Nothing's changed." Um, I got a
bad attitude from the town that I was

812
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:06,239
questioning,
you know, if they were patting my bill

813
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:09,360
or not, whether this outside company.
So, I think it could have been

814
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:15,679
streamlined. The town could have been
more helpful. It could have been less

815
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:21,440
money. We intended to um age in place,
which Cordon Madera says it's in favor

816
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:27,440
of. We were going to build two 1,200
foot homes, one for a daughter who's a

817
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:32,800
single mom, uh and the other for my
husband and I and rent out or sell the

818
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:38,320
big house. But since it took us three
and a half years and was such a mess to

819
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:43,360
deal with the town, we just have an
accepted offer. a young couple will come

820
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:48,400
in and build a $5 million mansion,
which, you know, it it doesn't meet the

821
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:54,320
housing needs of California. It wasn't
what the intent, it wasn't what we had

822
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:58,880
planned. Um, so very disillusioned of
how this was handled.

823
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:06,080
And I just hope the town, if you really
like, we need infill. We need more small

824
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:10,400
homes. We need um people are going to
age in place. they might want to do what

825
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:15,440
we were planning, but it took us so long
and was such a mess, we just didn't even

826
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:20,400
want to touch it. So, I just want to say
that first of all, you got to come in

827
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:26,239
compliance with the law. 450, I think,
was put in place because SB9 wasn't

828
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:32,480
towns were finding ways to stall it or
not comply or whatever. Um, there may be

829
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:38,640
another Senate bill after this if things
don't start moving in a more timely

830
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:43,360
manner. And I don't know, that was just
my case. I don't know what's happened

831
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:49,640
with the rest of if everybody else's
experience has been that, but thank you

832
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,640
very much.

833
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:58,760
» Thank you. Uh, do we have anyone else in
the room who would like to speak on the

834
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:58,760
matter? Yes.

835
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:11,840
Albert D Lima with WA Associates and u
my my question is to do with um buyer

836
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:21,199
access roadways and Mr. Martin. Um, at
the uh at the last uh planning uh

837
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:26,800
meeting about this topic, um
there we were told that um the fire

838
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:32,800
access roadway
doesn't necessarily have to be 20 ft

839
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:40,320
wide per the um court of Madera
Municipal Code. Um that's not um what

840
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:47,199
I've been experiencing.
um and dealing with um fire uh

841
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:54,000
department and trying to see what's
compliant and um I'd just like to get uh

842
01:14:51,120 --> 01:15:00,640
some clarity on, you know, if there's an
existing frontage road, you're doing

843
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:06,080
your lot split that's been a fire access
road for the neighborhood for, you know,

844
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:14,560
as long as the neighborhood has existed.
Um, is that allowed to continue or or

845
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:20,640
not? Because I get um one set of answers
from planning and a different set of

846
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:24,280
answers from fire and um we need to um
unite the two.

847
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:33,560
» Thank you. Is there anyone else who
would like to speak on this topic?

848
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,560
Right.

849
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:47,520
Thank you, Lucinda Smith. Again, thank
you, council, for giving us the time to

850
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:54,800
kind of express our concerns and
questions. I do have some questions.

851
01:15:50,880 --> 01:16:01,600
Um with regard to the buyer impact fee,
is it applicable just to the new uh

852
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:07,040
applications or is it applicable to all
residents courta? How will it be build?

853
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:13,280
Is it build to the property owners or is
it build to the um developer?

854
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:20,159
Um I wanted to talk about the number of
units that we have to provide housing

855
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:26,880
for. 725 I believe is the number over
the current um arena period or your

856
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:32,960
current period. We're two years into
that period and we've already approved

857
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:40,320
or are about to approve 549
units which is over 50%. So I wonder

858
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:45,840
what happens in a year or two when we
have another one come through and then

859
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:51,440
another one come through. How long will
we let these go on so that our town

860
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:56,800
doesn't get completely overbuilt? We
don't have the infrastructure to support

861
01:16:53,360 --> 01:17:02,840
it. So, I'm concerned about that.
Um, and I I wanted to

862
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,840
um

863
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:13,440
what's the basis for determining the
fire impact fee and who it applies to? I

864
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:20,960
think I kind of already covered that
question, but I wanted to understand who

865
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:26,520
pays for it and and how it's
built out to

866
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,520
u

867
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:34,400
and and I guess that's about the ends of
my questions, but thank you very much

868
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:42,560
for your time.
>> Thank you. Anyone else in the room? Uh

869
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:45,840
any people online?
>> We don't have any hands raised from our

870
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:51,280
attendees online and we didn't receive
email and public comment for this item.

871
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:55,199
» Okay. Um
would would you guys like to uh address

872
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:59,520
any of those questions or
>> Yes. Uh thank you, Madame Mayor and

873
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:02,880
members of the council and u members of
the audience. Uh Ruben Martin, your

874
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:08,239
local fire chief here with Central Fire
Authority. Um so yes so to clear up the

875
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:14,880
confusion is uh the fire department
requires a 20 foot wide fire apparatus

876
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:20,880
access road to get to a property. Um I
believe the um the question that the

877
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:27,520
gentleman had of whether um an existing
roadway which is 15 ft in width can

878
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:33,760
still be sufficient enough to add three
or four or five units on it. We felt

879
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:38,080
under our review and our objective
standards that this was the opportunity

880
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:44,080
to improve the frontage of the roadway
as we mentioned earlier

881
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:49,040
taking it from 15 ft to 20 ft in order
for the new residents of the new

882
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:53,199
property owners have adequate access to
their homes and so that way they can

883
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:57,600
receive adequate emergency services. So
for us it's a 20 foot wide fire

884
01:18:54,880 --> 01:19:04,239
apparatics access road to the properties
that are being built.

885
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:09,840
Um and then um when it comes to uh the
fire impact fees, so Lucenda, the fire

886
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:15,360
impact fees are designed um so the fire
department um can maintain adequate

887
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:20,480
level of service with our equipment and
our facilities as the town continues to

888
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:26,400
grow. Um the intent behind it is for all
new development coming in is for them to

889
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:30,719
pay the impact fee and whether it's the
developer or if it's a single family

890
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:34,080
residence whoever is designing that or
in charge of the finances would be

891
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:37,080
responsible for making those impact
fees.

892
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:46,239
And just another point of clarification,
the number of units that uh Linda

893
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:51,360
mentioned, 529.
Um to date, there's been one multifamily

894
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:55,360
project of 99 units that's been
approved. There's another application

895
01:19:53,679 --> 01:20:01,679
that's currently under review, an
assisted living facility with 150 units.

896
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:04,480
And then we anticipate in next sometime
hopefully this year, there'll be an

897
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:08,480
application at the Macy's site which
could be up to 300 units. But at this

898
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:13,199
point, we have not seen an application
for that site. So, we don't um we don't

899
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:18,320
know for sure what that what that will
look like. Um and then in regards to the

900
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:23,199
the kind of processing of SP9
applications, um whenever there's new

901
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:28,960
legislation, it oftent times takes a
little while to get implementation off

902
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:34,159
the ground. We continue to develop um
materials. So since the Kurin's

903
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:38,880
application, we now have additional
information on what should be on maps

904
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:44,080
and then FAQ information um as well. But
we do use uh outside consultant to do

905
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:50,960
the technical review of maps because we
do not have a surveyor on staff. Um so

906
01:20:47,679 --> 01:20:55,239
that is why it can still be expensive to
subdivide land in in California.

907
01:20:56,239 --> 01:21:04,880
» Thank you.
So, I will bring it back to the council

908
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:08,480
for any comments.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we checked

909
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:13,760
online. Did we check online already?
Okay. All right.

910
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:19,640
Okay. So, um we'll bring it back to the
council for comments and possibly a

911
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,640
motion.

912
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:26,640
» I I would like to comment about what
Martha just said. There was a lot of

913
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:30,880
kickback on 209. There were people who
said, "Are you kidding me? You're going

914
01:21:28,719 --> 01:21:36,320
to take a single family home and turn it
into four units." So, there was some,

915
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:41,679
you know, let's wait and make sure that
the state is serious about this. So, I

916
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:46,800
think you were just an early adopter
and, you know, just like the first kid,

917
01:21:44,719 --> 01:21:50,960
you get you get the unproven parents,
you know. So I think now, not that

918
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:56,000
you're an unproven parent. I think that
now that we realize that the state is

919
01:21:53,760 --> 01:22:00,080
really digging in on these things and we
have to do them. We're doing them. It's

920
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,880
not the end of the world. If you were
starting right now, I think you would

921
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:12,239
have a much better experience. And I do
apologize for whatever contribution I

922
01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:17,440
made to saying what. So thank you.
>> Anyone else,

923
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:19,679
Jim?
and and I'll move that

924
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:23,040
» they uh
>> excuse oh sorry

925
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:28,080
» I really hope they're serious about
enforcing the width of the roadways for

926
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:34,239
uh
these lot splits and uh roads connecting

927
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:43,520
to the lot splits cuz
in the past we've sort of uh

928
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:50,400
gone with the minimum level of uh
when there's push back we've sort of

929
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:56,719
backed off and I think the town over the
last 30 40 years uh where we ended up

930
01:22:54,127 --> 01:23:03,297
[clears throat] today
was not well served by backing off at

931
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:07,199
those times. So anyway, good.
[clears throat]

932
01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:12,239
» Thank you. Uh so you need motions,
right? So do we have a motion or do you

933
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:15,679
want to Oh, sure.
>> I just wanted to make one one quick

934
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:18,639
comment. Um, you know, first of all, I I
don't think there's too much to say here

935
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:23,679
substantively. The law is the law and we
will comply. Um, but I did want to just

936
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:27,040
echo and and thank Pat for her
sentiments. Um, you know, I think it

937
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:31,040
it's really unfortunate when members of
the public are trying to exercise their

938
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:34,719
rights under the law and they find it
difficult to do so. And I know that for

939
01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:37,520
example, when SP9 was passed, I believe
I was mayor at the time and and you

940
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:41,280
know, our town attorney was looking
through this thing and said this is kind

941
01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:46,320
of halfbaked legislation. And I think,
you know, we are the town, uh, you know,

942
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:50,159
in my assessment as a government agency
is pro housing and I'm really proud of

943
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:55,280
that fact. Uh, but I think a lot of
times we're working with very confusing

944
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:59,760
or ambiguous state law and we're trying
to sort of piece together, you know, the

945
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:02,880
local version of these regulations as we
believe we're required to do. And

946
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:07,440
sometimes these things kind of evolve in
real time as our understanding of what

947
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:10,719
state law is changes, as the courts
change their interpretation of what

948
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:16,000
these state laws are. So, all of this is
just to echo, you know, Pat's sentiment.

949
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:20,639
I I I am sorry that that you had a a a
dismaying experience um you know, trying

950
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:24,480
to uh do your lot split, trying to
trying to do your project. Um and I just

951
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:28,080
I I hope you know that that that was not
the intent of certainly the town or any

952
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:32,639
of our staff members. Um but with that,
I'm I'm happy to make uh a motion here

953
01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:37,120
to introduce the ordinance.
>> Second.

954
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:40,080
» And I'll second or Jim K.
>> Council member Andrews.

955
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,840
» Yes. Council member Beckman,
>> yes.

956
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,600
» Council member Roasio,
>> yes.

957
01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:45,040
» Vice Mayor Casisa,
>> yes.

958
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:49,320
» Mayor Thomas,
>> yes.

959
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,320
» Thank you. The motion carries

960
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:05,480
» microphone.
>> Oh, sorry. Okay. Um, let's see.

961
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:11,760
All right. So with that, we will go to
council reports. So we're going to do

962
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:18,320
them. Yeah, we'll do them now. We won't
wait till the third meeting.

963
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:21,639
All right. And so we will start with the
town manager.

964
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:30,880
» Um I I think I've exhausted my time with
my report, which is entirely on the last

965
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,800
several days of flooding that we've
occurred. So I'll seed back to the

966
01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:38,239
council.
>> All right. Great. So, uh, which, uh, uh,

967
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:42,320
Jim, do you have a report for us?
>> No.

968
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:44,159
» Okay. Um, Eli,
>> come back to me. I got to comb through

969
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,040
my calendar.
>> Got it. I know. I

970
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:52,239
» I'm ready. I'm ready.
>> Take it away. Just a couple things. Um,

971
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:58,159
I met yesterday with the Marin Healthy
Youth Partnership and they, uh, thanks

972
01:25:55,520 --> 01:26:04,400
to the kids are on a campaign to ban
tobacco sales from Marin County. Ross

973
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:08,960
and Tibberon have already done it, but
they don't have any people selling

974
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:16,360
tobacco, so it was rather easy for them.
Um, but I'm hoping Cord Madera will take

975
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:16,360
that on. And um,

976
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:26,719
what was the other one?
The other one was oh the MCCMC's

977
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:34,719
legislative committee which is a
subcommittee of the mayors of councils

978
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:41,199
and and uh mayor and mayors in Marin
County has been challenged regarding the

979
01:26:36,719 --> 01:26:48,320
Brown Act. So, um, we have always said
that because MCCM isn't technically, um,

980
01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:52,880
I don't know all the details, but we're
going to allow public in the meeting

981
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:56,960
until we get a final ruling on whether
the subcommittees also have to abide by

982
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:02,960
the Brown Act or whether just the
overarching committee does. And that's

983
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:07,600
all.
>> Thanks. Uh, just a couple things. Uh

984
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:11,600
12:18 I attended the um quartermad
employee Christmas party. Always a fun

985
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,199
time.
And then yesterday I attended at Marine

986
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:19,360
Transit Board meeting. Just a couple of
things there. Um one thing um we've been

987
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:24,080
working on project on East Francisco
Boulevard for new maintenance facility.

988
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:28,800
Uh we adopted the final initial study
and uh mitigated um declaration

989
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:33,360
yesterday. So basically this year we'll
move into the design phase of that

990
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:36,719
project and hopefully in 27 um that
project will get off the ground. One

991
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:41,600
other thing a couple other things on
Marin Transit um we appointed Robert

992
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:46,400
Betts as the new general manager for
Marin Transit. Um Nancy Whan who was the

993
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:51,679
general manager she was there for about
10 years. She actually retired. Um she

994
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:55,040
is a Cordera resident. So, just a shout
out to her because she did a great job

995
01:27:52,960 --> 01:28:00,000
with Marine Transit guiding Marine
Transit through COVID um electron trying

996
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:04,480
to gear up for electronic buses. So, she
did a tremendous amount of work. Um it's

997
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:08,480
a retirement welld deserved. And then we
reordered yesterday also. So, I was

998
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:13,760
appointed um vice president of the board
and that's it. Thanks.

999
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:17,120
» Yes, anticlimactic. I think I only had
one thing actually and it was today. We

1000
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:21,840
had a central marine sanitation agency
ad hoc committee meeting still trying to

1001
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:28,679
hammer out the details of that proposed
uh deal with Sanfell Sanitary District

1002
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:28,679
but the the lawyers are on the case

1003
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:38,960
» since we were in the holidays I don't
have too much I think the one one thing

1004
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:46,639
I did I think I won't
mention but um I did um

1005
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:54,880
is that two days ago, I think it was, uh
took a tour of the uh flood um areas,

1006
01:28:51,440 --> 01:29:06,719
flooded areas here with our Congressman
uh Jared Huffman and a number of people

1007
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:12,400
from um uh Marin uh emergency um uh what
OEM and then also there was one thing I

1008
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:17,199
thought was interesting. There was also
someone there from uh one of the weather

1009
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:25,520
services that had been uh doing some
reporting for us and uh he explained

1010
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:32,800
that how they admitted that there were
some things that they just couldn't

1011
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:39,120
foresee with this latest storm. And um
they are working on their models with

1012
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:44,000
what they learned that they couldn't see
before but could see after and they're

1013
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:47,920
trying to work on their forecasting
models to give a little more better

1014
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:55,840
picture of what the strength of the
tides and basically the confluence of

1015
01:29:51,920 --> 01:30:00,639
conditions what they would create. So it
was kind of a very very you know he was

1016
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:07,600
very humble and very clear that like
yeah we we really feel that we could

1017
01:30:04,480 --> 01:30:12,960
have given um that that there was it was
bigger than they had thought it would be

1018
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:18,000
but because this particular confluence
of of uh conditions uh was kind of

1019
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:22,560
something they hadn't seen before that
it would all strike at once. So I

1020
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:28,000
thought that was that gives me hope. I
think you know learning from these um

1021
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:33,920
occurrences
it just makes us able to prepare better

1022
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:43,823
uh next time. So that was a very very
interesting um uh uh meeting for us. So

1023
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:43,823
that's my biggest meeting. [laughter]

1024
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:53,440
So, uh, with that,
we got the we are adjourned.

1025
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:56,880
No,
>> we're not.

1026
01:30:54,480 --> 01:31:00,800
» Oh, number nine. Oh, yeah. So, the um
Oh, yeah. Well, I know we have that, but

1027
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:05,040
that's another meeting, right? So, what
I was trying to what I was getting at

1028
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:10,320
though is that we got the reports done
and the Oh, and the other the only other

1029
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:15,120
thing is um does anyone have anything to
suggest for the upcoming

1030
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:21,280
um
agenda for the January 20th meeting?

1031
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:26,239
» Can we make a a suggestion not
necessarily for that meeting but for a

1032
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:30,159
soontobe future meeting? the issue of
the ebikes. You know, we've been asked

1033
01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:35,920
many, many times to take that on if we
could get Chief Norton here from the

1034
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:42,080
police and maybe I mean, I know Eli has
written to Lori Fugali asking her to get

1035
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:47,040
on these issues of the manufacturers who
are producing illegal bikes and selling

1036
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:49,679
them to our parents. Is there is there
anything we could do if we put it on the

1037
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:54,480
agenda, at least people can come and
talk about it and hear what's going on?

1038
01:31:52,320 --> 01:32:01,040
I think based on some of these comments
we've had in the past several months, we

1039
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:06,880
I did arrange with CMPA that Lieutenant
Duanius or one of the lieutenants would

1040
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:10,960
attend the next uh BPAC meeting and
discuss it there. If the council wants

1041
01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:13,679
to have that discussion instead at the
council level, of course, that's your

1042
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:17,840
discretion, but I think that's an
appropriate venue to have that

1043
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:19,520
discussion and really provide an update
on their enforcement, which they've been

1044
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:23,679
doing.
>> Okay. I know they just canled the BPAC

1045
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:28,320
meeting for next week though because
public works is kind of busy. So I

1046
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:33,639
understand that.
But an upcoming meeting, I guess that

1047
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:33,639
would work.

1048
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:44,560
» I support that, you know, but we need to
um

1049
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:49,520
respond it with some kind of a
decision.

1050
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:55,360
Um so
so um do I uh adjourn this one or keep

1051
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:59,719
going
and call the ones to order? Okay,

1052
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:12,120
we don't we do
>> okay.

1053
01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:12,120
» So what say you attorney

1054
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:23,480
» if Okay. Uh so this is specifically
about the agenda of the next meeting.

1055
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:23,480
Okay.

1056
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:33,440
» And David Bell, uh flood control board.
Uh I think with a lot of emotions and

1057
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:39,600
we're all limited to providing input and
open comment. Uh I know the agenda was

1058
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:45,360
developed prior to the title uh wave. Um
well the king tides. Please put on the

1059
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:51,760
agenda for the next meeting a discussion
of the the flood events and a plan for

1060
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:58,719
the town to hold maybe more popup
sessions, meet with the community, uh

1061
01:33:54,560 --> 01:34:02,400
delve into what Miss Ba uh Miss Batty
proposed, maybe meeting at the Cove

1062
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:09,719
School, put something on the future
agenda to show the town is addressing

1063
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:09,719
the king tides and the flooding events.

1064
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:21,280
All right. Um,
thank you. And I'm I'm sure we will need

1065
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:23,600
to, you know, we want to be well
prepared.

1066
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:26,960
» I think that that was the intention.
Yeah. I expect we can have some

1067
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:33,120
discussion on a more full discussion
about some of our past

1068
01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:38,000
work that we've done with respect to um
addressing this issue and what we can do

1069
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:44,800
going forward. And so that sounds like a
good opportunity to discuss further.

1070
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:49,360
» Right. Sounds good. Definitely. So we
with that we will adjourn this meeting

1071
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:54,400
and then we have another meeting
afterwards. It's you are free to stay.

1072
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:58,280
» Yes. It's open to the public
>> and we will let them know.

1073
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:03,560
» All right. Now right into

1074
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:06,679
» next.

1075
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:18,520
» So do they know what the next meeting's
about?

1076
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:18,520
» Okay. Um yeah, I think it was noticed.

1077
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:31,440
» Okay. So actually some people are
staying. So, uh, if anyone is

1078
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:36,960
interested, yeah, if anyone is
interested, this next meeting is about,

1079
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:43,440
um, declaring, uh, an emer local
emergency that would be taking, um,

1080
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:51,199
helping us to get funds for fixing the
corporate yard, uh, the corpyard, um,

1081
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:58,480
damages from the storm.
Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

1082
01:35:55,679 --> 01:36:04,800
So, I'll
call this meeting to order. Um, do we

1083
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:10,639
have any
public Oh, you have to do the roll call

1084
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:15,120
again. Okay. Roll call. No one's left.
>> Um, Council Member Andrews,

1085
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:17,520
we're doing roll call.
>> Oh, I'm here. We have President Council

1086
01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:20,639
» member Beckman
>> here. Council member

1087
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,000
» here.
>> Vice Mayor Casissa

1088
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:24,239
» here.
>> Mayor Thomas

1089
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:32,080
» here.
All right. Then um is there any public

1090
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:38,000
comment regarding this uh item 3A only
the consideration and possible action to

1091
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:41,000
adopt resolution
01206

1092
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:47,560
proclaiming a local emergency in the
town of Cord Madera.

1093
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:57,760
We did receive public comment um via
email prior to the start of this meeting

1094
01:36:54,960 --> 01:37:02,400
and it was added to the website. We
haven't received any additional public

1095
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:06,080
comment and currently from our 11
attendees online, we don't have any

1096
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:11,920
hands raised
um at this time.

1097
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:16,719
» Okay. And um shall we please have the uh
report who's

1098
01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:22,880
» Absolutely. uh mayor and council
members. Um so this is an item uh that

1099
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:28,560
obviously is related to the recent
events of the last weekend in the last

1100
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:32,000
several days. Uh and I'm requesting that
the town council proclaim a local

1101
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:38,320
emergency
uh for the town of Cordadera.

1102
01:37:34,719 --> 01:37:41,840
Uh we've attached to the staff report a
resolution that would fulfill the state

1103
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:46,719
requirements
for an emergency proclamation and allow

1104
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:50,800
further state and federal processes
relating to providing financial

1105
01:37:48,639 --> 01:37:57,280
assistance to Cordera for local
emergency

1106
01:37:52,400 --> 01:38:03,440
um response. And and really I want to um
uh make sure that this is

1107
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:10,239
clear that this is really related to uh
the town's response and damages that um

1108
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:14,239
we've incurred obviously the most
significant one at this point. We're

1109
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:19,520
estimating the the value of the damages
to the corporation yard. um we have to

1110
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:24,800
basically do a this is a procedural move
where we actually uh proclaim this, send

1111
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:30,800
it up to OEM and then OEM was going to
support us with advocating with the

1112
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:37,679
state. Um and I think as well as our
other county jurisdictions as well who

1113
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:43,760
also participate in this and um it may
allow for reimbursement uh of some of

1114
01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:48,000
our uh expenses particularly with the
corpyard overtime

1115
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:54,800
uh pump we heard you know we have damage
to a pump um those sorts of things and

1116
01:38:52,080 --> 01:39:01,119
um but it's not assured I want to be
clear about that uh the governor has not

1117
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:06,080
declared a state of emergency or any
declaration of emergency uh statewide.

1118
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:13,199
Obviously, the federal government hasn't
either. And my understanding is it's

1119
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:19,119
um it's it's certainly not a given um
that we will receive money, but I think

1120
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:23,840
we if we do this step, we can we may it
might happen. So, without doing it, we

1121
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:30,719
have no possibility of recouping any uh
expenditures on this. Um so,

1122
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:37,040
That is uh essentially my report for
this. Again, there's a resolution sort

1123
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:42,000
of describing the events and why um this
serious nature of the events and

1124
01:39:40,219 --> 01:39:47,520
[snorts] um we will be working if
adopted we'll be working with OEM going

1125
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:52,560
forward. Um and I think actually it's
been great to work with OEM on this

1126
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:56,159
process in particular with Steven
Torrance. I've been in communication

1127
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:59,760
with him over the last couple of days
and he's been providing guidance as well

1128
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:06,560
in terms of the appropriate steps to
take for this. So,

1129
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:11,520
» thank you. Uh, any questions?
>> Yes. [clears throat] How long would this

1130
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:14,920
state of emergency
be in effect?

1131
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:25,199
Ratifi. So, go every 60 days. I'll I'll
turn it over our town attorney,

1132
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:32,159
» Amy Acriman, town attorney. Uh, under
state law, uh, the council has a duty to

1133
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:38,480
terminate the state of emergency as soon
as practically possible. Um, if it isn't

1134
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:45,040
terminated, it needs to be ratified
every 60 days. So, it's really dependent

1135
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:49,920
on the nature of the emergency.
>> Basically, every 60 days, we'd have to

1136
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:55,199
review it unless it
Yeah. I mean, for example, I know we had

1137
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:59,199
one during COVID that lasted for a very
long time and it was

1138
01:40:56,159 --> 01:41:03,199
» 2020 to 2023.
>> The last time we proclaimed a local

1139
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:09,920
emergency was related to atmospheric
rivers in 2023 related to a landslide we

1140
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:15,840
had up on um Marina states, I think it
was up on the um one of the hillsides on

1141
01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:20,800
the east side of town uh to repair that
damage. So, this isn't infrequent. Um, I

1142
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:26,880
don't
I don't believe we would necessarily go

1143
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:33,080
past a six, you know, first this might
be the only time we actually would do

1144
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:33,080
this. Um, so

1145
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:41,280
» question anyone else?
>> So, is it possible that this emergency

1146
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:46,800
declaration could help with, you know,
we heard about the the burm

1147
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:52,800
uh breaking down and the water coming
through. So actual damage to

1148
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:57,920
infrastructure, roads, areas within our
neighborhoods, not just the corporation

1149
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:03,520
yard, but the community itself.
>> Well, town town property. It theor it

1150
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:08,480
theoretically could. Um, some of those
that we are describing are not town

1151
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:12,960
owned facilities or property. Even some
of the BMS are out in in in not in

1152
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:17,840
frankly they're some of those I think
are stateowned property with fish and

1153
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:22,000
wildlife and others. So
>> So that wouldn't be covered.

1154
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:27,679
» Those particular those particular BMS
not under this? No. And yeah.

1155
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:35,040
» Is there a way to get emergency
declaration that would cover losses like

1156
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:40,000
that and have it inventoried or is it
too late for that or No.

1157
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:44,560
Amy Amy wants something.
>> Well,

1158
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:51,040
so I will say I think in general my
understanding and again talking to OEM

1159
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:58,480
uh it is very unlikely that
um any governmental assistance will be

1160
01:42:55,520 --> 01:43:04,159
provided to private property owners. Uh
even in the worst disasters, they only

1161
01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:08,880
cover uninsur um sorry
uh

1162
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:13,440
losses after insurance already pays for
its share of the losses and damages. And

1163
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:18,000
so
that's not specific to your question

1164
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:21,920
about BMS and lot certainly pump
>> streets and sidewalks

1165
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:25,840
» pumps pump infrastructures.
Some of these other

1166
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:28,159
» BMS are not are not townowned
facilities.

1167
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:32,719
» Okay. But so they just have to be town
owned. So the pump stations, the

1168
01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:35,840
infrastructure, the pipes,
>> anything that's been damaged would be

1169
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:41,320
inventoried. And then
>> Correct.

1170
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:41,320
» Okay, good. That's good to hear.

1171
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:48,639
» Yeah, just I just have a couple. One is
resolution says it's town

1172
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:52,400
manager/emergency operations manager. Is
that you?

1173
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:54,239
» Okay, just checking [laughter]
>> by the really spoken

1174
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:57,600
» dual title,
>> another title. And I'm just going to

1175
01:43:55,679 --> 01:44:03,600
zoom in on one particular area. The burn
behind like um 192123.

1176
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:07,840
Do you know is that burn private? Is it
state? Or do you know I know the

1177
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:09,760
property lines may extend out or if
Chris knows

1178
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:15,199
» Chris here. I don't know if we've gotten
that surveyed, but I my understanding is

1179
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:18,480
when when R.J. Well, I'll I'll hand over
to you Chris. Go ahead.

1180
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:23,280
» Yeah. Um our understanding is it's I
mean it's in private property. We did

1181
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:28,480
find records that at some point the town
had dredged San Clementi Creek and

1182
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:32,560
actually put material up there, but it's
not clear if we ever actually got

1183
01:44:30,639 --> 01:44:35,840
permanent easements
or anything for continued maintenance.

1184
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:38,639
So, as far as we know, it's private
property.

1185
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:42,800
» Okay. So, we're back to the point. Any
money we get would just cover town's

1186
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:45,800
property. It wouldn't cover anything on
Harbor.

1187
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:54,719
I I don't even know from it's hard to
ascertain damage to a burm. I mean, our

1188
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:59,280
you know, it's an existing facility and
it's not necessarily damaged. It was

1189
01:44:56,480 --> 01:45:04,760
over topped during this event because of
the high tides.

1190
01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:04,760
» Okay. All right. Thanks.

1191
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:12,920
» Wait, you need public comment first?

1192
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:20,239
» We already took public comment. We do
public comment.

1193
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:24,239
» Hey Adam, just one more quick question.
I assume that at that Larksboro, Mil

1194
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:30,000
Valley, other towns are going to be
filing the same thing we are.

1195
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:34,320
» Well, my understanding is for this event
uh the deadlines tomorrow. I have shared

1196
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:39,199
our proclamation with Larkpur certainly
as uh and so I'm not I haven't heard if

1197
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:44,080
they are actually putting this on the
agenda. The other thing to note is that

1198
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:49,440
as an emergency operation manager, I
could have signed this and then there's

1199
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:53,040
seven days by for the council to ratify
it, but since we already had this

1200
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:57,600
meeting scheduled, we just figured we'd
put this directly on and let the council

1201
01:45:55,840 --> 01:46:00,080
um you know, make the resolution and
make the decision tonight.

1202
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:04,800
» Okay. And I know it's a double-edged
sword, but um with the co-op yard,

1203
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:11,520
possible put in insurance claim through
our insurance carrier

1204
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:16,320
going through that process today of just
thinking about that. Um and so I'm not

1205
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:20,480
sure uh exactly what we're still going
to we have some questions for Bay

1206
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:23,440
Cities, our insurer and property
insurance and what's covered and what be

1207
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:27,040
excluded under this.
>> Okay. And then I'm sorry, is Larks

1208
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:31,840
helping us out at all with trying to
store their co-op yard? I've talked to

1209
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:36,719
Yeah, I've definitely talked to uh city
manager Dench Wards. He's offered to

1210
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:41,280
support our our team to the extent they
they can and it's needed uh in their

1211
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:45,040
corporation yard. So, we'll be if if
there's a need, I think we're just need

1212
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:50,639
to sort of
uh dry out ourselves in a sense and sort

1213
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:54,080
of start to put it together a game plan
as soon as tomorrow and figure out what

1214
01:46:52,639 --> 01:46:57,280
we're going to do on this temporary
basis. We're still receiving

1215
01:46:55,840 --> 01:47:01,920
information. And I should say there was
also some uh because you know we had to

1216
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:06,480
turn the power off because of electrical
concerns as we saw. I'm not saying you

1217
01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:12,159
know they're doing investigations right
now on the fire over on industrial but

1218
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:17,040
saltwater gets into electrical circuitry
down at that level. That's a concern. So

1219
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:22,639
we're being very obviously very cautious
about

1220
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:25,280
making sure it's safe um before opening
that facility back up.

1221
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:31,239
» Right. It also affects any of the
equipment with salt water getting in the

1222
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:31,239
croen. Okay, thanks.

1223
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:40,719
» It may have been in the report, but um I
I'm not quite remembering. Do we have a

1224
01:47:36,719 --> 01:47:45,280
dollar amount of the damage yet or we
>> So the the process with this

1225
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:51,360
proclamation will also send an initial
damage um estimate up to OEM. It's it's

1226
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:55,360
very you're spitballing a little bit.
I'm just saying like it's

1227
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:59,280
» X dollars. So,
>> we don't know yet. We're still we're

1228
01:47:57,199 --> 01:48:03,360
still we have um
>> contractor sort of assessing the

1229
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:07,840
situation. We've had our building uh
official and inspector down at the site

1230
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:11,040
taking a look and just going to have to
continue to go ahead.

1231
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:17,840
» Okay.
Thank you. So with that, um, do we have

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a motion to approve,
uh,

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yeah, the proclamation?
>> Make a motion to adopt resol Oh, go

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ahead.
>> Sorry. Motion to adopt resolution number

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012026.

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» Council member Andrews,
>> yes.

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» Council member Beckman,
>> yes.

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» Council member Oasio,
>> yes.

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» Vice Mayor Cassissa, yes.
>> Mayor Thomas,

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» yes.
>> Thank you. The motion carries.

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» Thank you.
All right then. Um, and with that we

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adjourn our third meeting.
>> Third and final meeting.

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» Three meetings.

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