1 00:00:02,159 --> 00:00:06,679 This conference will now be recorded. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,720 » I think we're recording. 3 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:23,600 » We're recording. >> Here it says 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,720 it does. >> We should be live. 5 00:00:25,119 --> 00:00:30,080 » Yeah, we can hear you. >> Okay. 6 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:33,240 said something. >> Did he? 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,920 » Pause recording. Maybe >> then, 8 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,680 » but we can't hear. 9 00:00:53,280 --> 00:01:01,199 Okay. Well, we're we're on camera. We think 10 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:06,640 we're also recording. It is 6:31 p.m. on Monday, July 27th, 2026. I'll call to 11 00:01:04,559 --> 00:01:11,280 order the Cabbage Grove Fire District Commission meeting. Uh this is a hybrid 12 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:16,320 meeting taking place at town hall and on go to meet. Uh we do have a quorum and 13 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:20,159 the agenda is properly posted. So we'll move to item three, public appearances, 14 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:24,159 public's opportunity to speak about any subject that is not a specific agenda 15 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:30,400 item. Have anyone in the room? Uh, we can try 16 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:35,680 to incorporate Zoom if anyone from the public has something 17 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:40,640 that they would like to speak about. I don't see any hands or anyone in the 18 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:45,680 room. So, we'll keep moving to item four. Discuss and consider the minutes 19 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:50,240 from the June 22nd, 2026 meeting. Uh, any uh comments, edits, or consideration 20 00:01:49,119 --> 00:01:54,799 for us? Anything? >> One change on the 21 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,079 dating for when this meeting was supposed to happen. I had the 20th down 22 00:01:57,119 --> 00:02:05,600 as I >> the 27th. 23 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:08,879 » And with that change, I move approval. >> I have a second. 24 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,400 » A motion and second to approve the minutes with an edit. 25 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:19,360 » I have one more edit also. Well, a few more edits to add. Um, in section 7, 9, 26 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:24,640 and 10, Cameron's name is spelled wrong. It's missing the 27 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,640 So that's in section 7, N, and 10. Right. 28 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,920 So, we have um 29 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:44,080 C E R O N is missing. E R O N. 30 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:48,879 » Sorry, camera. >> Um so, you're good with amending your 31 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:53,280 motion also those edits. Okay. So, we have a motion and a second uh with a 32 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:59,360 couple of edits. Any further discussion on the minutes from June 22nd? 33 00:02:56,239 --> 00:03:03,440 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. >> Any [clears throat] opposed? Any 34 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:06,800 abstained? Motion carries. Thank you and thanks for preparing your minutes. Uh 35 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:11,840 we'll move then to item five, the chief's report. 36 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:18,879 » All right. Uh we are currently at 41 staff. have nine officers, three driver 37 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:25,440 operators, 21 firefighters, six probationary, zero explorers, 38 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:30,799 one chaplain, and one. Uh, the time of the report, there was 39 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:35,440 222 calls for service plus one exposure, averages out to 1.09 calls per day. If 40 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:39,920 that were to [clears throat] continue, estimated number at the end of the year 41 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:44,959 would be around 399. Breakdown of the calls is 57 in the town 42 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:52,920 of Cottage Grove, 30 in Pleasant Springs, 102 in the village of Cottage 43 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,920 Grove and 33 Mutual. 44 00:03:53,360 --> 00:04:00,480 Various charts for the times of day and come in. 45 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:05,439 Um so for apparatus letter one went in 46 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:09,760 person service that's been fixed. 47 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,439 Fender one's having several issues including the air horns randomly 48 00:04:11,519 --> 00:04:20,079 activating while driving. Some lighting issues and air conditioning issues 49 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:26,000 lighting issues and air conditioner fix. Uh the horn issue is still being 50 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:30,240 worked on to find a solution. Engine 3 is having an issue with drafting. Lion's 51 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:34,560 going to work on addressing issues with three one 52 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:38,479 and brush one both had flat tires earlier this month. 53 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:43,360 One had a puncture to the tire and was repaired. Brush one had a weld fail on 54 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:47,120 the rim. Spare tire and rim were put on brush 55 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:51,840 one. Brush one due for new tires in 2027. So replacement rim and spare tire 56 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:57,520 will be included with the capital budget for that. 57 00:04:54,720 --> 00:05:00,720 Uh permit info. Fundraising for the village allowed the department to 58 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:05,440 purchase two drones. Department's working on training operators and we'll 59 00:05:02,479 --> 00:05:09,280 put them into service soon. Um training for July is rural water 60 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,199 movement and the officers worked on planning for 61 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:18,440 rural operations and practice drafting operations from the dry hydrant on in 62 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,440 the town. 63 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:27,680 Um department added one new member in July and the staff participated in 64 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:32,320 market policy 16 members. Adam Menberg 2018 was brought on by the staff to 65 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:38,400 probationary status and Evan is the first candidate to complete the core 66 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:43,120 program. It's a big deal. Um staff milestones for Kyle Wheeler for 67 00:05:41,039 --> 00:05:46,120 four years and Mitch Dao with seven years. 68 00:05:50,400 --> 00:06:01,360 Break down the calls are attached also. Thanks so much Chief. um questions about 69 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:05,600 the chief's report. >> Yeah, go ahead, J. 70 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:10,720 » Um just want to confirm for the drones um are the we're going to have any 71 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:15,600 annual cost for those u because I know some drones require some annual 72 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:19,440 subscriptions uh for some of the software that goes with them. 73 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:24,560 » Um the drones themselves don't need it, but we're subscribing to a service that 74 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:29,560 helps maintain our records. So there is going to be a little bit of cost. I 75 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:29,560 think it's pretty 76 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,240 not 77 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:48,720 other questions. >> I do. Um I have a meeting next week with 78 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:54,479 D County Highway regarding the bridge over Little Door Creek Netfit. 79 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:59,440 Um, you know, over was it on Uphoff? We put 80 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:05,919 in that dry hydrant over there. 81 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:11,520 Um, with the Houston's having their big development right there 82 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:16,000 in the area. There seems to be a fair amount of water down in the creek there 83 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:20,960 and stuff. Is there 84 00:07:17,919 --> 00:07:27,840 any interest possibility whatever maybe putting a dry hydrant in if it meets all 85 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:32,720 the criteria obviously down at that location seeing the county is going to 86 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:37,360 be redoing the bridge here next spring. >> Yeah. I mean if it met the criteria and 87 00:07:34,479 --> 00:07:41,440 it was feasible then >> I mean the criteria that I was looking 88 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:45,840 at was >> is there sufficient water for what kind 89 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:49,280 of draw you would have >> right 90 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:53,599 » you know um >> yeah so I mean if if there's enough 91 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:58,319 water which I don't know if there is or not I guess I haven't looked at the 92 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:02,800 water in that area um if there's enough water and if the county allows you to do 93 00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:05,199 that or the DNR allows you to do that because you have to have permission to 94 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,280 do that. Can't >> because I don't think we got had to get 95 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:15,840 permission from the DNR when we did the one up on Uphoff if I remember correctly 96 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:19,680 when you when we redid the bridge. Um >> I'm not 100% sure. 97 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:25,599 » Yeah. I'm just >> Is there I guess probably the bottom 98 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:31,199 line is there any interest? Would that be any of of any assistance in the event 99 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:33,360 all hell would break loose or is it I mean 100 00:08:31,599 --> 00:08:37,440 » close enough to run into town here? >> It saves a little bit of a trip but 101 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:42,000 realistically like the the closest hydrant's right here at the fire 102 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:45,519 station. So you're talking maybe a mile, half a mile that you're saving. So, I 103 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:49,200 don't know if it's >> Hey, I just, you know, like I said, I 104 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:54,320 only bring it up because of the fact I've got a captive audience and if there 105 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:58,480 was anything to be done positively about it, that would be the time to plant the 106 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:02,080 seed and stuff. So, >> I mean, I just don't know how how much 107 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:06,640 it'll get used. The one that we have on up get used. 108 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:11,040 » Nope, that's fine. Um, but with how close it is to the hydrants, 109 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:16,000 I mean, if the hydrants ever went down, you'd have another water support, water 110 00:09:12,959 --> 00:09:20,560 source, I guess. But, um, I I just don't know if it's if it's feasible or not. If 111 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,920 it is, I don't think there's very much cost to actually install one. I don't 112 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:29,120 think they're very expensive to do. >> No, I don't recall it being much of a of 113 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:35,360 a cost at all >> to have it done. So 114 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:40,991 um how quickly I mean what kind of draw I 115 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:46,399 mean [snorts] strike that if 116 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:50,240 you were to throw the suction hose onto that 117 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:55,600 how much draw down I mean how many gallons at a crack would you be sucking 118 00:09:53,440 --> 00:10:00,480 out of there? I just you know don't want you to suck it dry and have to wait for 119 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:03,920 the creek to refill and It depends on what we're filling. I mean, the truck 120 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:07,680 that we would use has 2,000 gallons per minute pump on it. So, you could be 121 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:10,640 anywhere from, you know, a couple hundred gallons all 122 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:16,000 the way up to 2,000 gallons per minute, but it'd be pretty rare to pull that 123 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:19,760 much at a time, especially from a draft. So, I mean, 124 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:23,760 maybe a couple hundred gallons per minute would be pretty pretty 125 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:29,120 reasonable. So maybe like 500 126 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:33,680 » 500 to 1,000 gallons a minute somewhere in there. 127 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:38,720 » All right. Maybe I'll just pursue it and just ask the question just see if it 128 00:10:35,839 --> 00:10:43,279 floats or not and I'll get back to you and let you know 129 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:50,800 what I find out. >> Okay. Thank you. 130 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:56,839 » Any other questions on chief's report? We'll send our congratulations to Evan 131 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,839 on completing the Explorer program. 132 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:06,480 » All right. So then we'll keep moving to item six. Discuss and consider sending 133 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:14,560 root vent propou to each municipality. Um thisou was added on to the packet. U 134 00:11:12,079 --> 00:11:21,160 the agenda was properly posted. The attachment was just uh sent later. Um so 135 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,160 there's 136 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:31,839 discussion of the the use and ownership of roof vent. Um we originally approved 137 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:39,120 this uh the use of the Pleasant Springs funds um March 23rd of this year 138 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,519 um to pay the half out of the Pleasant Springs funds. 139 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:52,560 The other portion was the Ascendium Good Grant I think. um 140 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:59,399 this part used for the other portion um from 141 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,399 CG volunteer fire department 142 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:09,519 since the commission isn't the group uh ownership but we' just be 143 00:12:06,959 --> 00:12:15,440 voting to send this then to um each municipality for their um review and 144 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,560 consideration. doing this again. Which one are we 145 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:23,360 looking at here? >> It's a little bit shorter. It's got it's 146 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:29,880 four pages. Starts out memorandum of understanding by the village town and 147 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,880 fire district 148 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:37,120 » regarding use and ownership of certain streaming equipment. I don't know if 149 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:40,480 there's anything that you want to add or discussions you had with. 150 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:44,480 » So, I mean, it's probably worthwhile to have your attorneys review it. Um, this 151 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:48,639 was drafted by our attorney and it's basically just to establish like we 152 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:54,839 talked about that, you know, if the village and town are going to take 153 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:54,839 ownership of it with the vir 154 00:12:54,880 --> 00:13:02,160 um it's just to kind of protect their rights to use it and make sure it 155 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:09,680 doesn't get sold without um some kind of agreement in place or um in regarding 156 00:13:05,839 --> 00:13:14,240 the usage of the of the crop. So, um I think the our association's okay with 157 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:19,600 the ownership thing, but we just want to make sure that we're doing this in a way 158 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:24,000 that protects our interest in using it. So, like if down the road the village 159 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:30,800 decided they wanted to sell it, we wouldn't be just like to dry. I guess 160 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:36,560 not that that's going to happen, but um just kind of prepare or just to 161 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:40,320 protect our assets, I guess. So that if if you guys ever decided to sell it, 162 00:13:38,079 --> 00:13:44,959 there'd be some kind of say that the fire department had and if you wanted 163 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:50,000 somebody else to use it, we'd have to discuss that. It's uh just trying to 164 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:54,399 protect our investment in it. So it's not like fire department bought half of 165 00:13:52,480 --> 00:14:00,160 it, but going forward, we really have no say on how it's used or operated or 166 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:03,760 sold. So >> you two say protect your assets or 167 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:09,320 protect your ass? >> Assets. 168 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:09,320 » Okay. I just I couldn't hear that. 169 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:15,600 » So you recommend this goes to the town and the village attorneys 170 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:20,560 » and then after that >> recommendation for sign off. 171 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,480 » Yeah. >> Why did we do this in the beginning? 172 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:29,440 » Um >> what made it a problem all of a sudden? 173 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:32,560 I guess we didn't anticipate the I guess the fire department didn't 174 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:36,000 anticipate the >> spending any money or 175 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:40,639 » no we were we were prepared to spend the money if we didn't anticipate that once 176 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:46,959 we spent the money that fire department wouldn't own any part of it I guess and 177 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:51,600 that's what that's what's being that's what the interpretation on the 178 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:57,920 service agreement was by the village attorneys and Cameron 179 00:14:54,079 --> 00:15:02,320 and So, I guess we weren't we weren't anticipating buying half of it but then 180 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:06,720 not owning any of it. So, this is to protect our investment in it. So, if if 181 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:11,040 that's the way it's going to be that the village and town own it solely without 182 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:17,360 the fire department, we're still entitled usage of it. So, 183 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:20,480 » we got to get some more involved. >> Lawyers are good. 184 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,760 » Is that Oh, go ahead. I mean, unfortunately, in the past, we've 185 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,920 operated on the handshake agreement, and it just doesn't work that way anymore. 186 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:32,320 So, unfortunately, we have to put something in writing to make sure that 187 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:38,639 when the time comes, that fire department still has their rights 188 00:15:35,839 --> 00:15:42,160 protected in this. I guess what I'm what I'm looking at. 189 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:46,639 So, >> that's what I was going to ask. Is there 190 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:51,360 other equipment that has been jointly purchased in the past? 191 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:56,160 I don't think we've ever really done anything jointly like so every truck 192 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:59,519 that's been bought the association has chipped in stuff like if there's 193 00:15:58,079 --> 00:16:05,279 something we would like to change on the truck or make it a little bit more 194 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:11,680 usable for us. Um we've part we've donated to that cause but our donation 195 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:17,120 was a fraction of what the truck is. So like the last truck we bought was the 196 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:21,920 squad. I think that truck was $680,000. I think we put in 10 or $15,000 for a 197 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:27,839 couple things that we wanted to put on the truck that it wouldn't really be 198 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:32,480 like a standard truck item, but it was something that we thought would be nice 199 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:37,120 to have. So, we paid the money to help >> bring it to that and then we contribute 200 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:42,399 a little bit or we buy equipment to put on the truck. Um, so we've never done 201 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:47,839 anything where we like joint own it. Um we have done stuff where we've bought it 202 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:52,320 um and then maintain ownership of it like the UTV association currently owns 203 00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:54,880 that but the municipalities aren't paying for the UTV. 204 00:16:54,240 --> 00:17:01,199 » Okay. >> Or didn't pay for the UTV. So 205 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:05,520 » thank you. >> Um I did have one other background 206 00:17:03,199 --> 00:17:12,880 question. So, we'll be taking this to each of our own attorneys, but some of 207 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:17,280 the other joint committees have like a commission attorney. So, you know, now 208 00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:20,480 we're each going to spend on our own attorneys, but there it's kind of 209 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:25,039 » we don't need another attorney. >> I know, 210 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:28,799 » but we just between theirs and our two that's more than enough to look at it. 211 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:34,400 » Yeah. Just historically, I was wondering if that there was any reason why we 212 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:38,559 didn't go that route here versus Okay. Okay. Go through this again. What So 213 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:42,000 where where are you? You're you're saying you want to vote on some 214 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:45,600 something every time if it was going to be sold or what what's 215 00:17:43,679 --> 00:17:50,160 » We're we're trying to protect our our investment in it. So basically what we 216 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,280 bought the we bought 50% of it, right? The fire paid for half of it, 217 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,640 » right? >> And the way that the contract was 218 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:01,840 written, it says that basically the fire department doesn't own any of it even 219 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:07,760 with us paying for half of it. So this agreement is to put in in place some 220 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:13,120 kind of a agreement that like yes, we don't own it, but if there's anything 221 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,720 that's going to happen with it, we would like to be involved with the decision- 222 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:20,559 making. Like if the town and village decide they don't want it anymore, they 223 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:25,600 want to sell it, that there needs to be a consensus with the fire department for 224 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:29,280 selling it. or if the town of Village decide that they want to let somebody 225 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:34,000 else use it, then that has to be agreed upon with the fire department as well. 226 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:38,480 You know, it's there's a few things in there that just kind of protect our 227 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:42,480 investment because we've invested in it, but at the end of the day, it's going to 228 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:47,440 show up that the fire doesn't own it at all, even though we're technically paid 229 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,280 for more of it than both municipalities did. 230 00:18:47,679 --> 00:18:53,200 » Well, why don't we just turn it over to them then? 231 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,760 Why? What's What's this about? Is it turn about turning this over to them 232 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:57,600 totally? >> No. 233 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:03,840 » Or the we we keep >> it's just basically 234 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:10,160 saying that the town and village are not free to 235 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,360 dispose of it or use it the way we would want. 236 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:17,120 » Okay. Okay. So, >> the fire department is an basically an 237 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,679 equal party in [clears throat] the decision making with regards to that 238 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,840 piece of >> so they would vote on it between the 239 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,640 town and the village >> and them would vote on this 240 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,720 » what >> if it was going to be sold or something 241 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:35,280 if we went ahead and said it was going to be sold. They could walk in and say, 242 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,919 "Well, I we want our opinion and that's it." 243 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,160 » Pretty much. >> Well, that that doesn't that doesn't 244 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,960 make sense. >> Why? Why not why not give them a saying 245 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,720 in >> why not give them the equipment? 246 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:50,799 » Like if you look at page three and put it simple. 247 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,880 » Yeah, I understand that. >> To put it simple is the association 248 00:19:53,280 --> 00:20:00,240 decided after we got into this because we hadn't done it this way before. 249 00:19:57,679 --> 00:20:04,559 We could have we had several options, right? Reimburse, buy the whole thing. 250 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:10,400 And instead we decided that as an association we decided, you know what? 251 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:14,480 It's yours. And the only thing we're asking for is to be able to control its 252 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:19,360 usage because it's a fire problem. >> But you you decided it's ours just like 253 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,240 you said. But then you want to say and you don't have a vote. 254 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:26,240 » Well, but the other option is when if you choose to sell it, if you look at 255 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:30,400 this agreement, we we're asking for a first right. There's a we could purchase 256 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,720 it back. >> Right of first. 257 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,919 » A right of first refusal. Wow. >> First right of refusal. Yeah. 258 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:44,320 » Okay. Whatever. Makes no sense to me, but that's okay. 259 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,400 » You think it should go directly to the fire department? 260 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:51,840 » Yeah, I would think so. Why do we go through this with because there's a word 261 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:57,760 is spelled wrong or something in an agreement or something. Geez. 262 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,760 » Just out of curiosity, who owns fire trucks? 263 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,880 » But so you own >> We own nothing over there. Like we don't 264 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:10,640 So we own the stuff that we buy ourselves. So like the UTV, there's a 265 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:15,440 couple pieces of equipment that we bought ourselves, but like the trucks 266 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:20,080 are owned split between the town and village. The two tenders are owned 267 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:24,159 solely by the town. So the village did not 268 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:28,400 like purchase half of the tender when that came up, the new tender. So the 269 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:33,120 town bought those flat out right by themselves. Every other truck is owned 270 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:37,280 by the town and village depending on equalized value. So the ladder is like a 271 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:43,440 50-50 split right now because when it was purchased engine three is like a 272 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:50,240 like a 6040 split with the village owning the majority and so is um squad 273 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:56,159 and then engine four was like a 50/50 split. So it's based on your equalized 274 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,760 value. So like when the new ladder comes payment's going to be based on your 275 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:04,000 equalized value for who owns the majority of it and who pays for the 276 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:06,080 majority of it. So, >> okay. 277 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:10,240 » But it'll be a town and build own truck. The fire department doesn't own any of 278 00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:15,760 it. We're just operators of it. >> So, the roof apparatus 279 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,960 we own just the same as all the other pieces of equipment. [clears throat] 280 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,320 » That's the way the agreement. >> It gets unique. It gets unique when it 281 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:28,240 comes to specialized equipment or special purchases. There's different 282 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:32,320 language about special equipment and then there's language about items 283 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,559 purchased by the fire department or personal property. So, there's a couple 284 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:41,760 different sections in the agreement that talks about ownership of different 285 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:45,840 items. There's specific language about the building, spec specific language 286 00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:50,240 about apparatus and equipment, and then there's language about personal items. 287 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:54,080 So, it depends on what the items are and who owns it. Like Nick said, there's 288 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:59,280 certain apparatus that's owned specifically by the town. Um, there's 289 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:03,600 joint apparatus and then this just happened to be a very unique item that 290 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:08,320 we use Pleasant Springs funds for. So, it got really complicated with this 291 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:13,919 specific item because we went 50/50 on it with personal department funds and 292 00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:17,840 Pleasant Springs funds. And it's the first time we've ever done something 293 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:23,520 like that. So, it became a complicated situation really quick. But, you know, 294 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,520 it seems to me then that if we were going to have a vote on on selling this 295 00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:31,360 or something that that they should have 50% of the vote and we should each have 296 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:37,360 25. Why Why are we making this a big issue 297 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:42,080 over this when they paid for half of it? >> I mean, you guys technically paid for 298 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:45,600 half of it, too. So, >> we paid a quarter piece. 299 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,240 » Yeah. You each paid a quarter, but between the two of you, you paid for 300 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,640 half of it. >> Mhm. 301 00:23:51,039 --> 00:24:03,440 Wow. Okay. >> Um so the consideration then is to to 302 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:07,280 take this agreement to have um as part of each of village and town board 303 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:13,600 meeting. Have your attorneys review it as you see necessary. Is that some of 304 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:17,919 the next steps you envision? And if approved at each municipality, then we 305 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,679 bring it back to you for signature. Also, 306 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:25,906 » I don't think we'll probably need a lawyer for this, Steve. 307 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:29,679 » We could sure talk about it, though. [clears throat] 308 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:33,039 » It's on our for our next agenda for the town board. 309 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:38,720 » Good. Good. >> Other comments, questions? 310 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:42,039 » The only comment I'll make is that, you know, you get 311 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:53,120 Every attorney's going to have their own spin on this. I know. 312 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:58,080 » And okay, if we were to the town were to send it off somewhere, Mr. Cole would 313 00:24:55,679 --> 00:25:02,480 say, "Well, I how about writing this?" So then we got to send it back to their 314 00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:09,520 guys. I mean, it just could become this really ugly 315 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:14,320 circle with a lot of expense involved unnecessarily. So, 316 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:19,600 and >> how about the dog? Is that going to be 317 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:25,320 50/50 town village? >> Well, we'll talk about that in a little 318 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,320 bit, right? Okay. 319 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:34,159 » I'll move that we send this agreement off to the respective boards for 320 00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:39,760 approval. >> I do have a couple comments first. 321 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:44,080 hold that motion or do you want to second and then comment? 322 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:47,760 » We can second and then comment. >> I'm just afraid my comments might 323 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:52,000 adjust. That's fine. I'll just do that. We'll second and comment. Um, 324 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,880 so [sighs] couple clarifying things I think might 325 00:25:53,520 --> 00:26:00,400 be worthwhile for us to have a conversation with before we send it on 326 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:07,360 for our lawyers to look at. Um one thing was uh in the after the 327 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:11,760 whereas section three possession registration and insurance. 328 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:18,159 Um just want to ask is there a reason why 329 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:22,880 the uh Ber fire department would be covering that with their insurance 330 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:28,159 versus all of the other assets are typically under um our insurance that we 331 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,840 do here. Um, 332 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,919 so you haven't I'm laughing because we went through 333 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:39,520 this a couple years ago. So >> the way that the insurance is set up is 334 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,279 that all the insurance is in Cottage Grove Fire Department's name. That's the 335 00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:48,640 way it has to be because we're the employees or the operators. The trucks 336 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:54,080 are on our policy, but they're showing ownership to you guys. So if a truck is 337 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:58,559 damaged, you guys will get a check for the damage to the truck, pay for the 338 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:03,679 truck, but we'll get a check for our employees or medical bills or 339 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:08,799 which is the way that set up for volunteer departments all over the 340 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:13,360 country. So a couple years ago when Sarah was on the same question came up 341 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:18,559 and he brought all the insurance people in and they they reassured that yes, 342 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:23,919 this is the correct way to do it. If something happens, [snorts] the 343 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:27,440 municipalities will get their, you know, any equipment that's owned by the 344 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:31,919 municipalities will be paid to the municipalities where anything that 345 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:37,039 happens to the staff will be towards CGVF, Inc. because they're technically 346 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:43,440 our employees. So, thank you. So that's why it says for us because we have the 347 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:48,880 insurance policy but you guys are I think the tech technical word is the 348 00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:55,679 leis or the I can't remember what it is but it it shows that you guys are the 349 00:27:50,400 --> 00:28:00,200 owners of the yeah the apparatus. So >> do you have any other questions? 350 00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:06,520 » Sorry I just want to double check my notes based on discussion here. Um, 351 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,399 and going back to Mike's point over there, uh, part of the reason why this 352 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:16,399 is complicated and what April mentioned is there are the two agreements. One is 353 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,320 the district agreement that talks about assets, but then also our agreement with 354 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:25,360 the volunteer fire department, which really talks about assets in here. Um, 355 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:30,159 and so that's why it's kind of coming into 356 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:36,799 this kind of discussion is what kind of precedent are we going to set for items 357 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:44,159 like this um, and assets as a whole? Do we want to have a process for items 358 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:49,520 that the fire department uh, contributes a significant amount? 359 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:56,960 What's that determined in there? We have that conversation. 360 00:28:51,200 --> 00:29:00,240 um or if it's that um kind of as chief mentioned they 361 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:04,399 contribute to but the vast majority is kind of covered on under us and thus 362 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:10,720 it's property of the district in there. So current to both agreements right now 363 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:16,640 they both point to that it would be part that will be owned by the district in 364 00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:20,559 there um unless uh stated otherwise. Um, so that's where the like April was kind 365 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:29,520 of mentioned that special equipment type part in there. So that's why this um 366 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:33,720 conversation is necessary in there. Um, so for me 367 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,159 the principle of this of giving you all a say is absolutely I think 368 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:48,320 something that's worth definitely worth considering going through that. Um 369 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:54,880 it's just I want to make sure that uh we are very careful in the precedent we 370 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:58,159 set in there that I don't want to open I don't want to lead to further 371 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:02,799 confusion down the line when other assets are purchased in there. And so as 372 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:08,480 we go through this one of the things I'll just kind of ask us to think about 373 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:12,159 is um what can we do to avoid this mess in the future? what are some of the 374 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,200 things some guard rails that we can to make this whole process easier 375 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,360 especially when it comes down to like these specialized training equipment or 376 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:26,799 things along those lines. But of course again my point is did you 377 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:30,960 spend 25% he spent 20 we did they spent 50 but they're not going to have a vote 378 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:36,159 if anything comes out they'll be able to say I don't think it should be done big 379 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:42,559 deal so what that means nothing they could do that anyway it is if it 380 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:46,559 trying to speak entirely for our board the association board I think this whole 381 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,880 process is good going forward we're not going to do this again it's either going 382 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:54,799 to be complete fire department >> fire department buy it all right on 383 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,600 their own >> or they're going to ask the 384 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,399 municipalities to pay for it all right on their own so there's no confusion as 385 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:04,320 to who owns it because >> and this turned into something far more 386 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:09,279 than it really needed to >> no I I'm with you and that's what I 387 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:13,440 don't understand about we this was all done in good faith you know and we all 388 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:18,960 have good faith but we always have to have a lawyer decide if our good faith 389 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:22,480 is good faith that should good faith. 390 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,840 » It's [snorts] crazy. >> On our discussion, I think 391 00:31:24,456 --> 00:31:29,600 [clears throat] our our opinion is going forward, we probably won't do something 392 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:34,000 like this. Again, we're a 50/50 split. We'll just 393 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:39,279 buy it, then maintain it, own it, >> or municipalities will buy it, own it, 394 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:44,120 and maintain it. And there's no gray area. It's just cut and dry. 395 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:49,200 » Yeah. The purchase kind of came in March, too. So we hadn't planned it in 396 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:53,600 the budget. So we hadn't had that conversation like kind of in advance, 397 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:58,399 you know, where in the future like we'll have those kinds, you know, plan the 398 00:31:55,679 --> 00:32:03,120 purchases, you know, I think >> it's probably yeah, we'll 399 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:09,360 this is a learning experience it seems for everybody. Yeah, 400 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:16,480 » I would actually be willing to take it to my board to give 401 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:21,760 back some of the money we paid >> toward it to the fire department 402 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:24,799 » so that they actually own more than 50%. I would go 403 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,200 » that way this it's wholly owned, you know, they have a controlling interest 404 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:32,159 and >> we don't have to have this or subsequent 405 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:35,279 documents like this in the future. I mean, they're insuring it themselves 406 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,559 already. Um, 407 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:45,120 and again, 408 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:50,760 from my perspective, we were just being the good guys, if you will. 409 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,760 » Yeah. trying to provide 410 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:58,399 um a great piece of training equipment for the fire department that number one 411 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:03,840 didn't cost I'm looking at it from the town's perspective that didn't cost the 412 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:08,799 town an arm and a leg. It's going to be around forever and ever. maintenance and 413 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:13,360 um you know I it's documented that we gave 414 00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:20,240 the fire department I don't even remember how much we paid x amount of 415 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:24,640 dollars but okay we did I it's just like we buy other things that we don't keep 416 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:30,880 track of exactly as to >> who paid for what where and why and I 417 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:34,480 just um you know I mean let me ask this question 418 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:40,880 because I don't know that I know the Sir, who asked that this agreement be 419 00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:45,039 initiated? >> Um, 420 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:49,120 who asked that we do anou? >> Yeah. 421 00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:52,640 » Talking about we so when we found out >> was it in house? I guess 422 00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:57,039 » I guess it was it was more on our end because when we found out that we 423 00:33:54,080 --> 00:34:01,039 weren't going to own any part of it like we were recommended because we talked to 424 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,279 our attorney like, "Okay, so what should we do there? 425 00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:08,240 » Where we go? That's where we went. Unfortunately, I understand where you're 426 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:12,480 coming, Mike. Yeah. >> Coming from, Mike, but unfortunately, 427 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:16,159 the days of you just have a handshake agreement and everybody goes on off in 428 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,800 the sunset and everything works out. Those days don't exist. 429 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:24,560 » Well, we but we could have been sitting here talking without the memorandum 430 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:30,320 first before it was even made. Well, so what happened is like when we went to go 431 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:35,839 register it, I got an email from that was forward to me from Kim that would 432 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:40,240 came from Rick and Larry from the town or from the village that said that the 433 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:45,839 way they interpreted the contract that the fire department didn't own any part 434 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:49,119 of it. So that's how it started is that we got a thing that said basically 435 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:54,800 you're paid for half of it but you don't own any part of it. So, there's an issue 436 00:34:52,159 --> 00:35:00,079 right right off the top. Like, we were expecting to own half of it cuz we paid 437 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:04,800 for half of it. We weren't expecting to not own any of it. So, 438 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,680 » I thought you did. Honest to God, I didn't think this was any kind of big 439 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,040 deal. >> Who said that you didn't own any of it? 440 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:16,400 » That was the interpretation from the village attorneys. 441 00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:20,800 What's that? They and then your guys's attorney didn't review it at all because 442 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,079 the village was like, "We already did it." So, if you you can have your 443 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:29,280 attorney review it if you'd like, but just to save some costs like this is 444 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:32,800 what our interpretation is. So, that's Go ahead. 445 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:37,920 » So, this is based off the two parts and I have the two agreements up. So, if I 446 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:43,040 can call out what those sections are. Um so with the agreement to with the 447 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:49,520 volunteer fire department um it's under the 448 00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:52,960 section two part B ownership of assets specifically 449 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,960 through I think this would fall more into four 450 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:03,359 miscellaneous equipment personal property um 451 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:07,280 which states ownership of miscellaneous equipment and personal property not 452 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:12,880 described above shall be determined by the district in consultation with the 453 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:19,200 volunteer fire department. So that's our agreement with the fire 454 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:22,800 department. So unless we say otherwise >> by default it seems like it's going to 455 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:26,720 go to the district ownership of any asset. 456 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:30,345 » Town and village. >> The district. Yeah. The when I say 457 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,240 district town and village [clears throat] 458 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,200 » fire department isn't part of the district. We're a contract. 459 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,880 » Yeah. municipalities. 460 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:44,160 » We just are contracted by the district to do a service. We're a contractor. So, 461 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:48,400 we are no part of the district. >> So, clarify that. 462 00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:53,040 » Thank you. However, that agreement does not prevent the fire department from 463 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:55,920 owning an item >> or 464 00:36:53,839 --> 00:37:00,720 » they are not specifically prohibited from lo 465 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:05,680 » or maybe the district donating or relinquishing 466 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:08,400 equipment to the to the uh fire department. 467 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:12,800 » Well, they could say something, but we'd still have to vote on it then, right? 468 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,160 » Right. Both villies and towns. It's got to 469 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:20,400 » this is my in my opinion based off my reading of this again cave I'm not a 470 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:24,640 lawyer but what it's saying by default goes to the district unless the district 471 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,640 states otherwise. >> So that's why I was saying like if this 472 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:34,160 is something that the commission wants to do that's where theou comes into play 473 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:37,920 and that's why uh the fire department's bringing it forward. Um because 474 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,560 otherwise uh 475 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:47,760 when I look at sorry because our so our attorney reviewed the same thing the two 476 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:52,400 agreements right and it's it's a gray area because one it could be considered 477 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:56,240 an app a vehicle because it's on trailer right 478 00:37:53,359 --> 00:38:01,760 » or it could be for special item because it's a trading prop. So he's like we 479 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:06,640 could push either way. It could be it could be an it could be equipment or it 480 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:10,720 could be the other one. So it's like technically if we push hard enough we 481 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:15,280 could say it's ours because it's special equipment. But in the interest of not 482 00:38:13,836 --> 00:38:19,040 [snorts] this up we thought that the easiest 483 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:22,960 method would be okay we'll just relinquish ownership so 484 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:29,119 that we meet what the district's looking for. 485 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:34,079 But our caveat to that is okay we have no problem doing that. But let's make it 486 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:38,320 so we have some protection. That's that's where we're at. I guess that make 487 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,320 sense. >> Okay. 488 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:57,520 So, I just want to make sure to kind of summarize the intent of the MOU is to 489 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:02,960 ensure that um 490 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:11,280 you will have the right to 491 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:16,560 determine how the uh asset is used. Uh so say if you another fire district 492 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:21,599 were to come to us and say hey we want to borrow that this district this 493 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:28,720 commission cannot sit cannot say we approve that without your agreement. 494 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:35,680 That's one part there. Um, 495 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:40,640 two is if the district decides that we no longer want the asset and we want to 496 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,040 sell it off, then you all have first right of refusal. 497 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:49,760 » I'm trying to like summarize it all. Is that covered like the main parts? 498 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:53,680 » That's the main part. And then like if we chose to purchase it, it would 499 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:57,839 explain that it' be at the depreciated value. It wouldn't be like, "Oh, you're 500 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:02,800 buying a brand new prop that's 25 years old." You know, like, so there there's 501 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:08,320 stuff in there about if we chose to buy it, how that would happen, who gets to 502 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:15,520 write it off for the taxes, that kind of thing. But it's our attorney was 503 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:19,599 supposed to be here tonight, but uh I don't know. He didn't call in yet. He 504 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:23,040 had a funeral, so I was hoping that he'd call in and help answer some of these 505 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:29,200 questions, but 506 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:33,359 So I mean if that's the case then one of the other kind of comments I have 507 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:37,920 is underou after the whereas section two 508 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:43,119 operational control um 509 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:50,000 it seems like the volunteer fire department has sole decision and how 510 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:54,560 it's used versus the district. Um, but so what is it called? A 511 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,920 training. Is it called training equipment? 512 00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:02,480 » I would not call it a vehicle just because it happens to be mobile as 513 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:06,160 opposed to on skids. >> So we're looking at it. It could be gray 514 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:10,240 area. It could be considered the other area of the two 515 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,400 » rather than you thought it was a training thing, 516 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:22,079 » but now because >> it came to you and said boo. No, could 517 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:26,000 be gray area. Could be either one >> which is miscellaneous equipment is that 518 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,680 » yeah whatever >> which is the statement I read. 519 00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:34,280 » Yeah that's determined by ownership determined by the district. 520 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,280 » Yeah. 521 00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:43,680 » If they didn't have the money to buy it and we came to them and said 522 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:49,160 we don't want this anymore. They didn't have the money to buy it. 523 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,160 They're screwed. 524 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:57,440 Oh, is that not correct? >> True. Or the town and village or the 525 00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:02,000 district could say, "Here you go. That >> take it." Yeah. 526 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:06,119 » Give us a buck, you know, or something. >> I mean, 527 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,119 » yeah, they could. Yeah. 528 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:13,920 » There's no >> We could do that now, couldn't we? Same 529 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,079 thing. We could >> I 530 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,440 » I think all I'm saying is I think there's a lot more to this 531 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:23,440 » than just all of a sudden coming up with the 532 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:31,359 » this thing. You know, I I just I read it and you know, it's whereas and whereas 533 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:35,119 and whip dip and what happens here and gray area here. And 534 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:39,680 » sorry, I just want to make sure I check my understanding about the operational 535 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:44,720 control in there because again, it seems like that's written so that you all have 536 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:50,560 sole authority of how it's being used versus the district asset. I just want 537 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:56,880 to confirm with the group. Um, that's kind of the intent and how we do with 538 00:42:52,319 --> 00:43:00,319 other our other assets in there or is um again I just want to protect us as a 539 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,800 commission as well just like you're looking to protect uh the dis the fire. 540 00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:08,079 » Yeah, I guess we've never had to write one of these before. So I mean I don't 541 00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:12,920 know. I mean maybe that's not >> one time in what 85 years. 542 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,359 » How long? >> I mean that might be re revised. Like I 543 00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:24,640 said, I was hoping that our attorney would be on so he could help explain 544 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,680 some of the reasons why this was drafted by him. You know, it wasn't our writing 545 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,119 on. >> Of course, it wasn't. 546 00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,119 » So, 547 00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:38,880 well, I think it's good conversation, Steve, at our next meeting and you guys, 548 00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:41,839 too. Same thing. >> Yeah, I do want to take Fit's comment 549 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:48,480 into >> Yep. Near we got it. Um, I know 550 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:54,800 Pleasanton Springs is just the don the source of income and we have no right to 551 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:59,760 state anything, but I'm concerned and maybe it's in here and I just can't read 552 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:05,440 it. Okay, so you have it, you're using it and it breaks. Is it the city and 553 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:10,160 village who pay for it? Is it the fire department or is it collaborative? All 554 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:15,800 three of you pay for the repair. Who pays for repairs in this? I don't see 555 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,800 it. 556 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,960 » Thank you, Faith. We're repairing. 557 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:29,599 » You've got insurance, but you know, how does that filter out? I mean, and to to 558 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:34,079 your thing, this is the first. There's always going to be a first in this 559 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:42,040 world. And this is a new century. Sadly, and lawyers are part of everything. 560 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,040 Can't do anything without a lawyer. 561 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:48,160 Typically repairs would come out of our operational budget. Um we've got a 562 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,200 training budget. So if something were to break, if we could fund it out of our 563 00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:56,240 operational budget, that's where we would try to go first or our equipment 564 00:44:53,200 --> 00:45:02,240 repair fund if it's something minor. Um this device isn't likely to have a 565 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:06,960 serious type of situation that would be incredibly costly for repair unless it, 566 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,960 you know, I don't see it having something like that. Well, my only 567 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:15,760 thought is going down the highway, taking it from one space to another, uh, 568 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:20,000 you know, and you doing a training session with the city of Stoton Fire 569 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:24,400 Department and you're coming back and somebody runs a stop sign that falls 570 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:27,280 under your insurance. I would assume >> it's also has it also has a warranty, 571 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,960 Nick. I don't know how long that warranty was for. Um, 572 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:36,480 » I don't remember. I'll stop ahead. Sorry. if you did add more things onto 573 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:42,640 it above and beyond the barebones basic and that needs to be made sure that it's 574 00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:47,200 followed under your insurance because I recall being in this room in 575 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:51,760 March when you're telling all about this and sadly half of you people on the 576 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:55,440 board weren't here had no idea all of the discussion these poor people have 577 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,520 gone through all of these questions before. 578 00:45:56,079 --> 00:46:05,839 » No kidding. Yeah. >> Yes. And that's the sad thing about tra 579 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:12,640 change over as quickly as you do it. That's my opinion. 580 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:19,359 » And you're sticking to it. Um, so we we could send these to our 581 00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:24,560 boards and our attorneys um and uh actually consider it when we're 582 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,200 together at our joint meeting if there's any changes that either board wants to 583 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,440 make >> in September. 584 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:36,319 » Nick, do you want to see if Bill is on? If Bill is any of those people? I don't 585 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:42,480 know if >> I think he was I think he was trying to 586 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:48,640 get on. P Dallas CB, whoever that is, Katie, 587 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:51,640 Paula, Eric Lang, and JW and us in the room. 588 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,000 » I don't know. >> There was a waiting there was 589 00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:00,800 » Bill might have been our attorney might have been trying to get on. Um, and just 590 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:06,640 to be clear, like I don't I think he did a good job in of drafting something for 591 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:11,680 us to help to support the concept of what we're trying to achieve for 592 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:15,680 I mean, I don't I don't necessarily disagree with the language he put 593 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:20,960 together just to try to make a step forward and what we're trying to do. So, 594 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:25,760 um, I want to be supportive of what he what he documented. Um, it's just trying 595 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:32,319 to make a step forward. That's >> who documented who you talking about? 596 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:37,839 » And trying to help do something for us to make progress. So 597 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,440 » yeah, >> because right now it's just sitting back 598 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,800 there unregistered. So we we've got to do something. And I think that's 599 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,359 » wonder if we even just said this is a piece of training equipment in the first 600 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:57,720 place. Would this have been over? >> No. Still would. Well, well, so but 601 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,720 because the village lawyer looked at it 602 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:03,440 and said, "No, maybe it's not a training piece. 603 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:08,880 Could be something else." I mean, I don't think he just went ahead and come 604 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:13,680 up with this on his own. >> Again, this go I would just refer back 605 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:18,160 to our contract with the volunteer fire department. That's the direct language 606 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:22,720 that is causing or part of the reason why we're having this conversation in 607 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:26,319 here. Um again first time we have to go through 608 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:30,240 it. So this is a speed bump in trying to figure out the best way to move forward 609 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:35,800 and once we establish a process then it >> should be changed there rather than have 610 00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:35,800 a memorandum agreement. 611 00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:42,640 » I mean we could open up >> you know what I mean. I mean, 612 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:48,160 » but I think that could be a conversation down the line, but right now we need to 613 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:52,720 have some kind of agreement if we want the fire department to have any 614 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,760 ownership of this. Otherwise, by default, it goes to the district in 615 00:48:54,240 --> 00:49:00,319 there. And I do want to echo uh what April is 616 00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:04,480 mentioning about I do appreciate how your lawyer draft this up and having the 617 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,920 first draft is always the hardest point in there. And I hope my comments are not 618 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:13,520 coming across as argumentative. is more so constructive and trying to find a way 619 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,920 to address or bring up some things before we get the lawyers involved in 620 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,160 there. >> Yeah. 621 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,720 » Right. Changing the agreement will only hold this up longer. This might be and 622 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:28,000 if this doesn't come up very often. >> Oh yeah. Once in 90 years 623 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:31,760 » just have theou for this piece again either. 624 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:37,280 » Yeah. It won't come up again. Yeah. >> Department's board is gonna have a big 625 00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:45,280 fat No. No. We're not doing that. >> Right. Pay either pay for all of it or 626 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:50,000 » um so to open up the whole contract with fire department to put the language in 627 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:54,000 might not be. >> Why don't we just acknowledge that the 628 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:59,200 fire department owns the piece of equipment? 629 00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:05,520 » Well, that is yes, that's the the option we can take to the village board. we can 630 00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:08,079 approve thisou um 631 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:13,280 » but we don't have to have theou if we as a commission decide that we 632 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:18,640 » uh >> we'll give them 633 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:22,880 that give them ownership >> formal ownership of that piece of 634 00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:26,000 equipment this would be moved 635 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,920 » and this would be moved >> the commission has the authority to do 636 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,319 that >> yes 637 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:40,400 I would like to consult with my colleagues on the board before 638 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,000 » you want to part of that motion guys want to just say 639 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:47,200 » but that's >> take this as an option to your the board 640 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,200 is he's going to bring that to the town correct 641 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:59,040 » that those are options theou or we just make the ownership to cottage grove 642 00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:04,680 volunteer fire permit >> all right Let's muddy the waters a 643 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,680 little bit more. 644 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:14,960 » What happens? This is it doesn't want it to sound petty but 645 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:19,680 what happens if I were to donate $10 to the town of Cottage Grove who in turn 646 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:28,079 gave that to the fire department under the opaces of here you go you now own a 647 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:33,240 majority of that piece of equipment or you have you know and 648 00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:41,920 It's, you know, they have a majority stake in it. It's not 50 and 50. 649 00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:48,319 » It's I don't think it's even, it's not even the 50/50 split. It's that 650 00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:53,280 » yes, we paid for 50% of it, but there's interpretation of are we even allowed to 651 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:57,559 own the 50% of it is what >> Yeah, that's a 652 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:05,520 I don't you're being allowed, as you put it. I don't know that I would um 653 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:09,599 I don't know that I heard anything in the or read anything in the agreement 654 00:52:07,661 --> 00:52:15,839 [clears throat] that would prohibited you from owning anything. You know, by 655 00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:18,839 by you saying that say if you went out and 656 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,760 » Well, obviously you can because you guys went out and bought the UTV, 657 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,920 » right? So I mean >> and the trailer and probably think about 658 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:32,720 those other things that you guys about this 100% we wouldn't even be talking 659 00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:38,400 about this right just because >> or even a majority of it. 660 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:43,599 » So but because that's the way that the contracts are written. I don't know I'm 661 00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:46,480 I'm not an attorney I guess either. So um I'm just going by what I'm being 662 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,480 told. >> So 663 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:54,079 in the district write up is there anything specific to like 664 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:59,960 We're talking about a piece of the training equipment versus a piece of 665 00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,960 operational equipment or 666 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:08,240 » so in the agreement with the Ballinger Fire Department under ownership of 667 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:13,520 assets there are four categories real estate and improvements 668 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:18,400 vehicles specialized equipment and what I'll go 669 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:22,880 into that because that's >> um so specialized equipment unique to 670 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:27,119 the nature of services to to the town such as paint trucks, brush trucks as 671 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,520 determined by the committee and ratified by the town board shall be owned by and 672 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,520 the financial responsibility of the town. 673 00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:40,960 Next paragraph is specialized equipment unique to the natur of services provided 674 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:45,359 to the village such as fire hydrants as determined by the committee and ratified 675 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:49,520 by the village board shall be owned by and the financial responsibility of the 676 00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:53,119 village. That's it for specialized equipment. 677 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:56,640 And section four is miscellaneous equipment and personal property. 678 00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:00,079 Ownership of miscellaneous equipment and personal property not described above 679 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:04,400 shall be determined by the district following consultation with the 680 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:07,400 volunteer fire department. >> Nothing. 681 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:10,800 » Yeah, >> that's it. 682 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,920 » Pretty broad. Pretty broad with the exception of the specialized listed. 683 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:16,920 » Okay. >> Yep. 684 00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:21,760 » Okay. Yeah. >> So, 685 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:26,000 » so almost could almost add a line in there saying 686 00:54:23,902 --> 00:54:31,200 [clears throat] was possibly. >> So, this goes back to my point. If this 687 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:37,599 is something that this commission wants to do, that's what the MLOU does. So, it 688 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:41,119 abides by this agreement. We state that's how it is because shall be 689 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:45,040 determined by the district. That's my interpretation again for caveat is I'm 690 00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:48,160 not a lawyer. That will give us there. And going back to highspeed, this is 691 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:52,400 probably going to be the quickest way get this going so that it can get 692 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:58,720 registered and used. >> My thought was if you had an additional 693 00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:01,040 liner, you wouldn't need the M, >> but then we have to open up the entire 694 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:05,400 agreement again. >> Yep, that would correct. 695 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:14,440 » Okay. So to move the conversation along, I agree to the changes in my second 696 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:26,480 » take those two options back to your respective boards and 697 00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:31,359 » and the two options were one note on this 698 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,480 » the memorandum or or just okay 699 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,599 » give it to them. >> Okay. Donation or memor 700 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:46,319 Okay. So, we have a motion and second to send those uh to our respective boards. 701 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:49,319 Is there any further discussion on this item? 702 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,040 All right. Hearing none, all those in favor say I. 703 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:59,920 » I. >> Any opposed? Any abstain? Motion 704 00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:05,200 carries. Thank you for um all the discussion on it. Uh item 705 00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:15,119 seven, discuss update on service animal policy. Just had that update um as 706 00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:21,760 posted there was a the other attachment u was updated in the packet. This is 707 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:30,640 issue 72726. Um, previously this discussion had um 708 00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:39,760 was back in May, I think was the last issue of um a service animal policy that 709 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:46,960 was kind of part of discussions. U so that was kind of started as a 710 00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:54,839 collaboration. Um and then this was sent to your attorneys. Is that 711 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:54,839 » Yeah. So, so playing with your group 712 00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:02,960 had a policy put together and we sent it to our attorney to review 713 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:07,599 again because there still the underlying issue of 714 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:11,760 what is our obligation as an employer when somebody has a conflicting medical 715 00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:18,319 concern. So he reddrafted this e this policy in a 716 00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:24,720 way that I don't know it it's very restrictive 717 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:28,799 now. Um but he is I wish he was just on he said he 718 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,200 would be but >> he did it from the perspective of an 719 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,400 employer. >> He's trying to get on but he can't get 720 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,839 on. I think the things he's trying if somebody could click on the waiting for. 721 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:42,559 He's waiting to >> well waiting for 722 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:46,160 » Yeah. move over to waiting for. Click on that and you might have to go to the 723 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:50,200 dots and allow >> dots up in the corner there. 724 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,280 » What's it say? I can't quite read. >> No, I guess it's not. 725 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,280 » It says pin ask to turn on camera. Excuse. 726 00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:00,240 » You click on that. >> Which one? 727 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:03,760 » Either one of them. Just go to the side of it. 728 00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:07,599 » Click there and see if it lets you bring one. 729 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:12,880 » Double click on it. Oops. No, I think that's probably just waiting 730 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:17,359 on them to do the connections like >> um putting in their name, what's the 731 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:22,240 camera, the mic, all that fun stuff. >> Okay. 732 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:26,319 » Anyways, he he drafted this as a perspective of us being an employer, 733 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:31,920 which we are >> um to provide protections for our 734 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:39,760 employees. Um, so like I said, 735 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:44,319 it's more it follows more along ADA laws now rather than what was originally 736 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:49,200 proposed. And I know it's like I said, it's more more restrictive, but 737 00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:52,799 I wish he was going to here to explain it, but 738 00:58:50,960 --> 00:59:00,400 from what he saw from the original policy, it's opening us up to issues 739 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:04,079 like if we if there's an animal in the building and something happens with one 740 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:08,079 of our staff, like we could be held liable for not 741 00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:13,440 protecting our staff member if it's not an ADA accommodation or 742 00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:16,880 um you If it doesn't meet certain criteria, 743 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:20,799 then we could be held liable for it personally. And I guess at the end of 744 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:27,040 the day, like I don't want to get sued because we didn't protect our employee. 745 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:31,440 I'm a volunteer fire chief. So like I like my house. I don't like to lose 746 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:38,559 all my stuff because we didn't protect our employee. So well, you know, my 747 00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:45,520 stuff I I like being able my stuff, I guess. But, you know, 748 00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:53,040 so he wrote it more following ADA guidelines rather than 749 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:57,440 um a training dog. I don't know what we have for 750 00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:02,960 » I think you just follow the ADA and other ADA type policies that are out 751 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:08,880 there. It's more standard approach. Um, it's more consistent with 752 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:15,119 uh allowing or reviewing ADA requests and accommodations. Um, I think if you 753 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:22,799 read it, you'll understand um that there's a process, a request process, a 754 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:27,760 denial process, a review process. Um, I don't know if you have questions 755 01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:35,520 can ask him. Um, I can see he's still trying to get on. So 756 01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:39,680 » I guess you know this does make more sense and I think from the beginning I 757 01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:45,200 think this is what was trying to be established and then in the there were 758 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:51,359 negotiations taking place but I know myself for uh writing um 759 01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:56,799 medical excuses not necessarily excuses but 760 01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:01,640 following guidelines in the medical world it is following ADA. 761 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:07,839 So when I when I read and go through this, it does make sense. 762 01:01:06,732 --> 01:01:13,599 [snorts] So I guess my question is you're if your 763 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:18,559 attorney wrote it as perspective as you as an employer, 764 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:24,960 you're not an employer of other entities that share the building. 765 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:29,119 So that's like other other employers would have to share 766 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:35,280 medical records of other employee. I guess that's where 767 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:39,040 I get a little confused like >> that's why they were looking for one 768 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:43,119 policy for the whole building. That was the 769 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:46,319 initial request. >> So this is viewed as the policy for the 770 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:52,559 whole building. Yep. >> Yep. And so a different entity would 771 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,640 have to supply medical records to a different entity in order to get 772 01:01:54,799 --> 01:02:01,752 » We all have the same policy. We all have the same policy. Each entity could 773 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:04,720 control it on their own. But you follow [clears throat] policy. I'm saying we if 774 01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:09,280 the fire department has the same policy as the MS who has the same policy as the 775 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:13,839 village was trying to do something with their buildings. So everything was all 776 01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:18,640 the same. So you have a lot of entities trying to have one policy that may or 777 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,240 » Okay. So what are we trying to have a fire policy 778 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,240 and not >> one policy? 779 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,119 » Trying to have one policy >> between the two of you or 780 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,640 » it says right in the beginning >> who's in charge of it just you guys? 781 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:34,240 » No, it says right in the beginning to establish guidelines for the general 782 01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:40,160 public and Cottage Grove public safety partners. So it's for everybody 783 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:44,720 » or the building. So, were the other entities 784 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:48,960 given a chance to review this? You know, we're trying to do this collaboratively. 785 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:51,839 I guess that's >> unfortunately it is 88. It's Sorry, 786 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:56,240 Nick. >> Unfortunately, 787 01:02:53,359 --> 01:03:00,880 I take full ownership of that because we were supposed to have this. We told them 788 01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:04,880 a date and it didn't get to us till like Friday last week. By 789 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:10,240 » didn't get tacked on to the policy till the very end. So, I take responsibility 790 01:03:07,599 --> 01:03:15,440 of that because we were trying to get it on the agenda, but I didn't get it till 791 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:22,640 literally like I got it and I pretty much sent it right to Lisa and whoever 792 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:28,000 up and Kim to get it on the agenda. So, no, your girl hasn't gotten to review 793 01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:33,520 this other than if he read the packet and the village hasn't reviewed it. um 794 01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:38,400 we put it on the packet because it was what we were talking about and it was 795 01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:41,400 delayed. So I apologize for that part of it. 796 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:52,000 um in the the facility service dog, you know, doesn't have the same appeal 797 01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:59,720 process or kind of who the authority is on deciding the 798 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,720 facility service dog how that 799 01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:10,240 like it's it's it's set out by the ADA, >> right? Which is not the same as a 800 01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:14,079 facility service dog. So, who determines whether a facility service dog is 801 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:18,960 allowed or not? Like, I don't I don't see that part covered in here. 802 01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:23,440 » Yeah. So, what I what how I read it, and I'm not an attorney, and it would be 803 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:30,880 good to have the attorney, is like the facilities 804 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:36,640 dog has to follow what a service dog is, those requirements. That's why I'm 805 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:42,960 reading into it, >> right? But they don't have the same like 806 01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:48,799 it it's not under the ADA in the same way I guess. 807 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:51,399 Who determines what? I guess that's the part 808 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:54,240 » like who determines the ADA, [clears throat] 809 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:59,359 » right? Who reviews other ADA accommodations? Whose disability is more 810 01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:05,440 severe? Like ranking disabilities isn't really in the spirit of the ADA. I don't 811 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:09,599 think one disability is more important than the program administrator is 812 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:16,400 correct. somewhat, but then that also an appeal 813 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:21,440 and who are we appealing to if it's like outside of your employer and providing 814 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:26,480 medical records like because there's so many parties involved, you know, owners 815 01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:32,000 of the building, age, the town, and the village and EMS and fire. 816 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:36,960 Yeah, I think we're kind of splitting hairs in a way, but yet this is a very 817 01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:42,640 complicated situation. According to the ADA, a disability can be, you know, 818 01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:46,720 defined as a mental health disability. It can be defined as a physical 819 01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:54,280 disability um as outlined by ADA. Is that kind of 820 01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:54,280 where you were headed with that? 821 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,039 » Yeah. So, 822 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:06,240 one of the concerns or challenges I have is that we're trying to complete 823 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:10,880 multiple things al together. Um, back in May when I first did this, I think one 824 01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:14,160 thing we need to be very aware of is while I appreciate coming from the 825 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:18,559 employer standpoint, that's one perspective in there. Um, so in this 826 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:24,240 case, the employer is the volunteer fire department. 827 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:29,119 So there's that one. The other part is ADA and everything. 828 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:32,799 you know, ADA informs some of the agreements that go in there, 829 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:36,400 but also kind of this next part, but it's still we have to follow all the 830 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:40,720 rules to ADA, which is a lot of what Rene was stated 831 01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:44,880 and then some. Um, but then the third part, and this is kind of where Heidi 832 01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:54,680 was getting at, that's a challenge for us is the building because the building 833 01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:54,680 is not an employer. 834 01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:03,280 So the policy as written doesn't really kind of fall into that. Furthermore, it 835 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:08,720 gets even more complicated because now it's a joint asset between the village 836 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:14,319 and town. So what is the process? 837 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:19,920 And this is part of the other reason why um it was brought up a bit ago why it 838 01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:26,559 would be great to have a lease for all entities in the ESP because that would 839 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:32,400 outline this process. who is the individual when 840 01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:36,079 um an issue coming from both tenants in this case because that's in essence what 841 01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:40,640 it is. You have dear girl EMS and volunteer fire department as tenants of 842 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:45,599 the building who determine and I'm just make this 843 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:51,599 hypothetical situation up. So that determined that they have an employee 844 01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:57,520 with an accommodation that needs to be u addressed rightfully so. 845 01:07:54,400 --> 01:08:01,760 So the employer can do anything within their 846 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:07,280 part of the building that is per the lease like what they are but then what 847 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:13,359 happens to the shared space. So that is one of the challenges that comes into 848 01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:19,239 play here and why it's important that we make sure we are aware of which bucket 849 01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:19,239 we're talking about 850 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:28,560 and then I guess first I want to check does that make sense so far? 851 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:31,920 It does. But, you know, like a bit like I said, this is this is a very 852 01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:39,120 complicated situation, but really what it comes down to is, you know, it the 853 01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:43,927 building it is kind of a 854 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:50,080 it in a way it matters, but it doesn't. [laughter] It just matters, you know, 855 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:55,040 who the dog is is with um and following the ADA. So, you know, it doesn't matter 856 01:08:52,480 --> 01:09:00,080 really if you're in this building or, you know, the shut out back and who owns 857 01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:06,880 it. You still have to follow the ADA. >> Yes. But the the key part here is what 858 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:10,880 is the reasonable accommodation. So, I took an opportunity to connect uh with 859 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:15,120 some individuals that are kind of experts that do a lot of work with ADA 860 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:19,520 and specifically right in policy and um in there. And so they had a few 861 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:28,319 concerns. Um, and I think this kind of goes to Rene's point here is um 862 01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:35,440 this I think one area that we need to work through is um the language appears 863 01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:40,719 to require that uh someone has to rank disabilities 864 01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:44,000 against one another while ADA does not require encourage public entities to 865 01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:49,199 determine whose disability is more severe. Instead, it requires individ 866 01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:53,920 individualized assessment focused on whether reasonable accommodations can be 867 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:58,000 made to provide meaningful access to both individuals, whether a requested 868 01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:03,199 accommodation would create an undue hardship or whether there's a direct 869 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:09,040 threat based on objective ev evidence rather than assumptions. 870 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:14,080 So, who is the individual that is facilitating that 871 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:18,480 process? Because at the end of the day, if there are two requests for 872 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:25,199 accommodations, we need to do our best to honor those without providing that 873 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:32,080 undue hardship in there. What is your opinion then? 874 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:37,440 Okay. Um I I'm from what you're saying is that we have the individual who 875 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:42,640 wishes to have the animal, you know, based upon their 876 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,480 » challenge for lack of a better word. >> Y 877 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:49,033 » then who's on the other side of the coin? somebody who says that they're 878 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:56,320 allergic to that animal [snorts] or I mean what and and my point 879 01:10:52,400 --> 01:11:02,080 being is that how do we know that there isn't some 880 01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:06,800 other force if you will or some other 881 01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:11,520 situation going on in that building that is maybe 882 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:16,800 causing as much of a problem. And I used this example before, somebody coming in 883 01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:21,520 with just covered in dander from dogs or cats or whatever. All right. Are we 884 01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:26,640 going to make everybody change into scrubs before they come into the 885 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:31,920 building to eliminate any potential unrelated but related, 886 01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:38,800 » you know, problem here? We can't. And so, um, unless you can remove that 887 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:44,320 challenge, would it why would it be incumbent upon 888 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:49,840 us to prove to that person that it's it's our dog 889 01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:54,080 that's causing the problem? >> So, I appreciate the question and it's a 890 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:58,880 really good one. I think it will help here. Um, at the end of the day, one of 891 01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:05,199 the key parts here, and again, I don't know any of the situations, so I'm just 892 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:12,480 going to talk about a hypothetical. Um, so the key part here is there must be 893 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:16,880 re uh request for accommodations on two ends. If there's not a request for 894 01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:25,760 accommodation, then you don't have a as much mechanisms 895 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:29,280 to address anything that would arise from someone else who has an 896 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:33,440 accommodation. So the first question is whether there's 897 01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:37,760 a request for accommodation out there or not. 898 01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:41,920 » Okay. So assuming it has and this is part of the reason why it's very 899 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:45,360 important that each entity. So going back to a little bit more concrete, dear 900 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:52,000 girl, EMS and the fire department have policies so that they can have a request 901 01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:55,920 for accommodations in there. Now part of the request for 902 01:12:54,000 --> 01:13:02,640 accommodations actually spells out your that use case. What? So, and we'll use 903 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:10,800 your example of fire someone going out on a call that is a place that has say 904 01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:14,640 dogs, a ton of dogs there um and lots of dandruff in there. Part of the 905 01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:20,400 determination of the accommodation is what are the steps that mitigate that? 906 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:26,400 So maybe it is um from the employer side. Again, this is me throwing it out, 907 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:31,280 so don't quote me on this, but it is um >> put that dumb. 908 01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:36,400 [laughter] >> Um again, not only uh but hypotheticals 909 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:42,880 in there, like maybe one of the accommodations is this person uh is 910 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:46,960 separated when they uh take off the protective gear or something along those 911 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:50,400 lines. I don't know what it is, but I'm just throwing out something. And so 912 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:56,000 that's all spelled out as part of the reasonable accommodation. But the issue 913 01:13:53,360 --> 01:14:02,480 comes down to what happens 914 01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:11,199 in that shared space that is outside of the employers. And so 915 01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:18,239 that's why there needs to be a process for an I'll just say an entity outside 916 01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:22,760 of Dear Girl BMS and Volunteer Fire Department 917 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,760 to 918 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:35,360 follow ADA to ensure that everyone 919 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:43,360 has the necessary accommodations to do what they need to do and 920 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:48,080 follow ADA as I kind of stated um so that we can find that middle ground 921 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:53,920 in there. >> I guess 922 01:14:50,320 --> 01:15:00,239 my only comment to that would be do we have a request for an accommodation? 923 01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:05,040 If we don't >> Yeah. 924 01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:09,199 » We we don't build a whole thing premise to the fact that we have conflicting 925 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:14,800 sides here. >> Would you agree? 926 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:20,159 » Well, I yes and no. I agree with your point in that yes, if there's not a 927 01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:26,320 request for accommodation, then we are not required to to to take steps. We may 928 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:30,239 as good people try to do our accommodations 929 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:34,960 but we're not required to do that. However, I still believe we need to go 930 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:42,400 through the process to have something in place. See second um 931 01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:44,480 to prevent and be ready for that a second request or something comes in 932 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,320 play. >> Does the village have it in their 933 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:52,320 buildings? I mean pre having policies irrespective 934 01:15:51,280 --> 01:16:00,000 of the dog. Okay. >> Yep. All right. Does the village have 935 01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:05,520 policies in place that if somebody comes in and says they need an accommodation, 936 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:10,320 you know, for I don't know, something in the atmosphere because in their mind or 937 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:16,719 or their medical condition that's too dusty in the village hall. Okay. Does 938 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:24,719 and I'm using that as a far out example. Okay. The town doesn't have 939 01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:29,199 plans for accommodations for anything, you know, out of the ordinary. And I 940 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:33,120 mean, this is everyday life. You walk into a store, you know, do you check 941 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:37,760 with the store to make sure they have accommodations for, 942 01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:41,360 you know, the types of things that we're talking about here. Obviously, they've 943 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:49,000 got the scooters and all that kind of stuff, but for the 944 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,000 unusual 945 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:59,760 type of requests for accommodation. I I I would be very surprised if there 946 01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:05,600 are standing policies in place to accommodate anybody who walks in the 947 01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:10,320 door saying, "I have this. I need you. I want accommodations." If there's a 948 01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,440 medical reason for it, Steve. Yes. >> Okay. 949 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:18,080 » Yes. >> But again, all right. If 950 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:21,760 again, let's go back to my um thing at the village hall or even the town hall 951 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:26,719 for that matter. Like somebody comes in and I have allergies to dust. I It's too 952 01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:31,679 dusty in here. How are you going to accommodate me? 953 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:36,800 We're not We're We're not going to reasonably be able to accommodate. And 954 01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:42,080 that's how I'm almost equating this situation. Somebody's coming in from the 955 01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:45,679 outside, so to speak, and saying, "There's an animal in here. I can feel 956 01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:49,440 it in my whatever." [clears throat] >> So, you're not going to get around this 957 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:54,880 no matter how much we're splitting hairs. Um, this is a medical issue. So, 958 01:17:52,560 --> 01:18:00,239 if somebody, you know, I'll I'll use this. Like, say you have an allergy to 959 01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:03,920 penicellin. Um, there's no way to get around it. when you go to a medical 960 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:07,600 facility, they're going to go through allergies and they're not going to give 961 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:12,400 you penicellin. It doesn't matter if there's penicellin on the shelves. 962 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:16,719 » So, we're really splitting hairs on a subject. So, yeah, there's a lot of 963 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:22,640 people that have dust allergies, but is it enough to cause them anaphilaxis? And 964 01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:27,360 so, there's degrees of allergies, too, and that's going to be in the medical. 965 01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:31,280 And so, that's that's right there. Um, well, 966 01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:35,199 » sorry, I didn't want to interrupt you. Um I think the other things to to keep 967 01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:40,960 in mind is that there are two different parts of ADA too. Uh, one is what we're 968 01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:47,600 mostly talk about with this agenda item is kind of under the I hate saying this 969 01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:53,280 the employment umbrella in there providing the space for them to do the 970 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:59,280 contracted duties that we have versus your example store that's a separate 971 01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:03,679 part of the ADA and it has different process of what are reasonable 972 01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:11,840 accommodations for that because that individual is electing to go into that 973 01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:18,960 that place to that store versus the other side which is they are hired to do 974 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:24,080 a duty contracting etc. So we need as employers need to provide reasonable 975 01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:29,840 accommodations for that. >> So um April had her hand up a while ago 976 01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:33,920 and I did have program administrator circled in that because we are dealing 977 01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:36,560 with two separate employers. So, that's one thing maybe you could cover, but 978 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,560 maybe have something else you want to add to. 979 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:44,080 » Yeah. Process on that would be maybe changing that to um EMS commission chair 980 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:47,360 and fire commission chair or something like that. So, you're identifying a 981 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:50,080 specific person because we're never going to know who the program 982 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:54,880 administrator is. So, that would maybe be a term that you could change that to 983 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:59,040 that would make sense to everybody um that would apply. So you could if we're 984 01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:03,840 going to make this one policy that goes to everybody just EMS commission 985 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:06,719 chairfire commission chair and then EMS knows to go to their commission chair 986 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:12,320 and fire knows to go to their commission chair and we would be able to use it 987 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:16,880 similarly. Um so hopefully that answers maybe a solution for that. Um, the thing 988 01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:21,120 I just want to mention because I keep hearing you talking about conflicting 989 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:26,800 uh, accommodation requests or concerns and I just want to mention how important 990 01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:33,520 um, hardship is and direct threats and understanding that um, in fire EMS law 991 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:38,719 enforcement that's something that really needs to be analyzed from um, an 992 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:44,480 employer standpoint. what is the hardship as an employer and what and as 993 01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:50,560 an EMS commission chair or a JFSC commission chair um what hardship might 994 01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:56,400 you have when you're reviewing um an accommodation request so and that's 995 01:20:53,280 --> 01:21:00,080 written out in the policy um and it talks about the severity of each 996 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:04,080 individual's disability and I know JP you were concerned about comparing and 997 01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:09,120 that's really not necessarily I think what our attorney was pointing to doing 998 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:13,600 it's really an interaction ive process. Um, and he he does talk about that a 999 01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:18,480 little bit um and learning um about what's going on with each individual um 1000 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:22,960 and what alternatives can be presented um for the different accommodations that 1001 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:28,000 are being requested. Um but also reviewing each individual's job duties 1002 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:31,760 in public service. Um, and that's important because certain roles and 1003 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:37,760 responsibilities um don't necessarily allow for that and 1004 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:42,320 there's case law surrounding um job duties that will say, you know what, if 1005 01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:46,320 you're doing that type of job duty, we can't accommodate you in this type of 1006 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:50,239 situation. So, that's really important to understand for police, fire, and EMS, 1007 01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:54,719 the case law that surrounds those situations. And then the operational and 1008 01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,360 financial impact of the building. So understanding those hardships. 1009 01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:01,040 » You done? >> Yeah. Sorry. 1010 01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:06,400 » What are we trying to stop here? What what's what are we trying to stop the 1011 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,280 dog from doing? >> Well, from this it's not trying to stop 1012 01:22:08,639 --> 01:22:14,400 the dog. >> Well, but the dog but the dog fac is 1013 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:17,679 this considered a a facility support animal. 1014 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:22,800 » Is that is that the one out of all these that we're 1015 01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:27,199 » He's a facility service dog. So >> then it says emotional support animals 1016 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:31,440 are not service or wait a minute now back up. 1017 01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:37,600 » So FSDs can provide services to many people in the facility. They will still 1018 01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:42,480 need to be assigned to a primary handler who will take charge. Now do you guys 1019 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:45,360 have insurance on your can you get insurance on the dog? 1020 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:50,800 » The dog is insured by our insurance policy and the dog himself 1021 01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,239 for stopping him to bite somebody and Well, the insurance won't stop him from 1022 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,719 biting. >> No, but I'm just saying. 1023 01:22:53,840 --> 01:23:00,320 » Sorry, Mike. >> Wonder if the dog bites somebody. 1024 01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:04,239 » Yes, he's covered by uh uh I think a $2 million policy by Custom Canines and he 1025 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,880 would be covered by our >> Okay. So, what are we trying to stop 1026 01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:10,960 here? That's what I'm asking you. >> I don't think anybody's trying to stop 1027 01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:14,960 anything, Mike. I think it's a matter of following ADA guidelines. 1028 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:19,120 » But see, it's nothing about disabilities here in this whole thing here. It 1029 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:25,920 » it is. It's not. It's just talking about behaviors to make people feel better. 1030 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:30,000 » So, in the world of rental, if you guys are familiar with a making reasonable 1031 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:33,199 accommodations, I'm managing a property and I get a 1032 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:40,159 person that comes in and fills out an application for a rental unit. I say, "I 1033 01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:45,120 have an ESA." I say, "Okay, I need your >> and I take that and look at everything 1034 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:49,520 and if everything goes through the application process, fine. 1035 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:54,000 the person is in with their ESA. Simple as that. 1036 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:58,960 » The ESA though is not necessarily an ADA. 1037 01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:01,679 They're not a trained animal. They haven't [clears throat] went through the 1038 01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:06,719 process. They're merely there prescribed by a doctor saying here, this person 1039 01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:11,600 would benefit from having a cat or a dog. 1040 01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:16,880 So when I'm listening to everyone talk and you talked about leases 1041 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:20,880 where you have the EMS and the fire department as tenants. They are the 1042 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:25,920 tenants in the building and the tenant wants to bring in an 1043 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:31,760 animal. To me it's not necessarily about an ADA. 1044 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:36,960 It has to do with the district and owning the building. It's how they are 1045 01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:41,040 going to manage and how we look and is it safeguarding 1046 01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:44,000 the district from with the building respect. That's that's the way I view 1047 01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:46,800 it. >> Does that make sense? 1048 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:49,120 » It's a medical and a legal issue is what it comes down to. 1049 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:54,960 » Right. And we're not even I mean they want it for to benefit 1050 01:24:52,719 --> 01:25:00,880 people coming in. I'm assuming you know as far as having an animal there at 1051 01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:06,400 crisis and trauma situation. Okay. It's almost like a tool. 1052 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:12,560 » Um, that's on them. It's not necessarily us that has to, you know, write up 1053 01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:18,560 necessarily, we won't be using. We're just there to say, how are you going to 1054 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:22,960 bring it into the building? And honestly, if they want to bring into the 1055 01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:28,560 building, they can. That's my opinion, the way I see it. 1056 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:38,159 » Um, so, so to be clear, this the request isn't for a pet or an emotional support 1057 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:46,000 animal or a therapy dog. It is for a current service dog in training um 1058 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:51,080 which in as Wisconsin ADAs is allowed for is similar to federal ADA. 1059 01:25:53,600 --> 01:26:00,239 So he doesn't have one person right now that 1060 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:03,199 well he's not a certified service dog yet because he's in training. So even if 1061 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:06,560 there was one person identified he still couldn't be that person's service dog 1062 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:14,480 because he's not a certified service service dog as as yet. Um but he's in 1063 01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:19,840 training to become accustomed to all the things 1064 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:23,920 um in our our industry. Um, I understand that there may be competing 1065 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:32,639 accommodations that we'll need to address and uh work through. 1066 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:37,600 He will be trained and cert he's getting trained. He'll be certified in a year, a 1067 01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:41,440 year and a half. Um, 1068 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:44,639 so our accommodation is way I view it isn't really necessarily an 1069 01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:48,400 accommodation. It's more you getting permission and drafting a document to 1070 01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:52,320 bring him in. So that's >> on the EMS side of it, we've tackled all 1071 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,719 that already. >> Okay. 1072 01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:58,239 » So from the EMS commission side, now we needed 1073 01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:05,360 » either we needed the building side to say that it is for sure allowed to have 1074 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:09,520 the service animal in the building along with identifying our partners in the 1075 01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:14,560 building. if they have anyone that requires an accommodation that we would 1076 01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:18,320 » would work >> work with them to to work through that 1077 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:22,159 accommodation. >> And why would this person need an 1078 01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:25,920 accommodation? >> Because they may have a competing 1079 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:28,080 medical problem that may be exacerbated by the animal's presence. 1080 01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:31,840 » Okay. >> Do you have people that come up with 1081 01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:37,920 this already about the dog >> from the fire department side? 1082 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:40,000 » Fire. They need I just dogs barking makes me feel bad or anything like that 1083 01:27:39,679 --> 01:27:42,000 or >> Nobody's Nobody said anything about the 1084 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,080 dog. >> Nobody said anything about it. 1085 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:51,840 » They said that there's multiple people that have allergies to dogs, not only on 1086 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:55,040 the fire side, but also on the EMS side. >> So why are they still on the EMS side? 1087 01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:59,440 Because of the fact that >> So you're gonna fire them? Is that the 1088 01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:05,280 plan? just fire them because if there are if there are not ways for 1089 01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:09,600 you to adapt your to your condition in order to do the job that you're required 1090 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:12,080 to do, >> but you're giving an accommodation to 1091 01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:14,960 somebody else's >> how are you going to give us somebody 1092 01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:19,679 accommodation when you go to a home? >> See, you're literally saying we can't 1093 01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:22,960 give somebody an accommodation because we don't know what they're going to go 1094 01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:26,480 through. But you're also saying we have to give this person accommodation at the 1095 01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:31,600 top because they're they're entitled to it. So how 1096 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:37,199 are how is this guy entitled to it? But this guy who's also entitled it legally 1097 01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:41,840 titled to it legally not entitled to it. >> This would be a really nasty lawsuit if 1098 01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:46,080 if uh >> frankly like I'm to the point where like 1099 01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:49,760 you guys approve whatever you want. I don't really care anymore. I brought it 1100 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:53,920 to you. I brought my concerns to you. We brought our legal concerns to you. This 1101 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:58,000 was done by a lawyer. Not by me, not by the fire department. 1102 01:28:55,360 --> 01:29:00,800 » This is a lawyer. Like, we all sit up here and say like, "This is the law, 1103 01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:04,000 blah, blah, blah. This is how I interpret it." Well, this is somebody 1104 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,280 that actually does that for a living. >> Yeah. 1105 01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:09,360 » That's their whole job. >> Sure. And I bet you could see this 1106 01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:13,760 through AI and any report by anybody. >> So, like really just do whatever you 1107 01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:18,080 want. Like I I really don't care. I can prove whatever you want and when 1108 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:23,199 something happens I'm not going to be on the hook anymore because I brought it to 1109 01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:24,960 you as a concern. So that's let's just do whatever. I don't really care 1110 01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:31,040 anymore. >> I I do this for a living too. And and 1111 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:33,520 this this is a big deal. Um like >> this isn't me bringing this up because I 1112 01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,679 want >> It isn't your problem. You're not the 1113 01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:39,280 problem. >> No, but I'm an employer and I have an 1114 01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:41,360 employee who brought a condition to >> I just asked you that. You said nobody 1115 01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:47,040 did. >> No, I did not. I said I have You said 1116 01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:50,800 » No, I asked her and she said nobody. >> You said somebody was upset about 1117 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:54,960 barking. Nobody's upset. >> No, no, I didn't say that. I said did 1118 01:29:52,719 --> 01:30:02,800 anybody come with a complaint? people have brought forward medical concern 1119 01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:08,400 » which is and from a doctor >> apparently doesn't necessarily 1120 01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,400 » I think that 1121 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:17,760 » licensed health care professional provider in the state of Wisconsin if 1122 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:23,280 you have that and that is not supported then there is potential like April said 1123 01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:27,040 for I mean there there is case law outlining that and it can be very 1124 01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:31,280 serious. I wouldn't want my name attached to it nor be on a board that 1125 01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:35,679 approves something like this because I've worked too hard professionally to 1126 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:40,880 get where I'm at as well. And it's not that I'm a dog hater. It's not that I'm 1127 01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:44,159 trying to be difficult. This is the law. This is the reality of it. 1128 01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:50,239 » Well, we do have a responsibility to make accommodations for all 1129 01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:56,960 accommodations being made. Um but we do have two separate employers and so 1130 01:30:53,520 --> 01:31:02,239 providing those medical documents to somebody else's employer because we have 1131 01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:08,560 this shared space. I think that's where the the difficulty is like I wouldn't be 1132 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:11,920 comfortable sending my medical. >> I don't think he's asking you to send it 1133 01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:16,480 to our to us as an employee. I think he's asking for you as an employer to 1134 01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:20,159 verify that somebody has it. Like we would have to verify that our person has 1135 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:24,639 a medical condition that meets the standard. Your G commission would have 1136 01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:28,560 to verify that their employee meets the standard. I don't think they're saying 1137 01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:30,960 dear Gro needs to send me all their employees records, 1138 01:31:30,639 --> 01:31:35,679 » right? >> That's not what this is saying. But 1139 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:39,760 » but it doesn't say that either. >> But then how how do we have the other 1140 01:31:37,679 --> 01:31:44,800 employer make the accommodations from the other employer, which is I think the 1141 01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:51,360 missing piece. How do we make sure we're making accommodations across employers? 1142 01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:55,520 And us as owners of the building, the village, and the town have to make sure 1143 01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:59,120 that we're we're making that communication. So then everybody is 1144 01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:05,280 getting the accommodations that they need and following the law. 1145 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:09,280 » And I just want to clarify again, I I have a dog. My family has dogs. We've 1146 01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:15,920 had dogs our whole lives. Not a dog eater. Um, I I support I understand 1147 01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:21,920 exactly what Chief Link is trying to do with uh facility support animal and it 1148 01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:26,400 just benefits the fire and EMS service. I've said that. I agree with that 1149 01:32:23,984 --> 01:32:32,159 [clears throat] 100%. I am just trying to make sure that my employee is 1150 01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:36,480 protected. That's all I'm all I care about. Like if we can find a way to make 1151 01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:39,679 it so that my employees are protected, it is protected. Everybody's been 1152 01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:43,760 protected. That's all this is about. Like that's 1153 01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:49,760 all I care about. Like I don't I don't want to like pick on somebody or say you 1154 01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:54,080 can't have this or can't have that or I don't even want to be involved with this 1155 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:59,360 to be honest with you. I just got I'm trying to protect my employee because if 1156 01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:03,360 I don't I'm going to be liable for it and I don't want to be liable for it. 1157 01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:07,120 That's what I'm trying to say. Well, sounds like you this is a real kind of I 1158 01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:11,199 hate the word the rock and the hard place because you're trying to do 1159 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:14,320 something good and in a sense >> and Chief Wayne is trying to do some 1160 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,920 Keep Jane is trying to do something good too. I'm not 1161 01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:20,080 » No, you >> I'm not trying to pick on him or say 1162 01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:23,679 like I don't want to fight about that. I I understand exactly why he's trying to 1163 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:26,480 do it. It's a good program. It's beneficial. 1164 01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:31,920 I >> It's just that you have an issue where 1165 01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:33,120 you have a an employee has an allergy. Sounds like 1166 01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,639 » yes. >> Okay. 1167 01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:38,400 » There's multiple >> multiple employees. So now it's a matter 1168 01:33:36,719 --> 01:33:42,400 of how you two 1169 01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:49,440 » and Chief Landers offered concessions to keeping the dog in his area and the EMS 1170 01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:54,480 quarters and providing hepailters which we've relayed to our attorney. But 1171 01:33:52,719 --> 01:34:02,719 ultimately this is what he came back and said would be the best path forward. And 1172 01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:05,120 like I said, I'm not a lawyer and I 1173 01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:09,360 » the reason why he came up with this path forward is because it protects the 1174 01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:13,280 people with ADA. The it protects the people who do request accommodations. 1175 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:17,679 There are reasons why he came up with this and it has to do with the people 1176 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:23,040 who have actual accommodation requests and competing accommodation requests. So 1177 01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:26,639 » they they have a medical reason. >> They have a medical reasoning 1178 01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:29,840 awareness. >> Go ahead. and raising awareness for 1179 01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:34,800 their >> with their concern. Understandable. 1180 01:34:32,719 --> 01:34:37,840 » What is the fire department offering for accommodations now for these people with 1181 01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:42,080 allergies? >> Uh we have different positions and tasks 1182 01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:45,920 and responsibilities. So when we have a call where that's a possibility, we have 1183 01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:50,159 different roles and responsibilities for people. Um right now when we bring in 1184 01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:54,400 therapy dogs, we schedule, we make awareness, we let individuals know that 1185 01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:58,800 there's a therapy dog coming in. It's oftentimes unfortunate when we first 1186 01:34:56,719 --> 01:35:04,719 learned that we have people with allergies, we weren't aware of it right 1187 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:09,920 away. So, um, those individuals had an exposure and weren't able to participate 1188 01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:15,040 in our CISDS, which was kind of a bummer for us, um, because that's an 1189 01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:21,760 opportunity for them to decompress and, um, be involved in an after action or 1190 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:25,760 after incident CISD. And um it was really unfortunate that they had to 1191 01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:29,600 leave the room and we didn't understand why they were leaving the room and 1192 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:32,400 couldn't participate in that CISD. And it wasn't until after they said, "Hey, I 1193 01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:37,600 can come in that room and be in that CISD with you because you had dogs in 1194 01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:42,320 there. You had therapy dogs in there." And that was when we first learned, 1195 01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:45,679 shoot, we wish we would have known that before because we would have, you know, 1196 01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:49,120 we would have planned this out and we would have scheduled this differently 1197 01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:53,520 and made accommodations for you to be present with us. And so that's when it 1198 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:57,360 really became a reality for us on how we have to do better planning and better 1199 01:35:55,040 --> 01:36:02,800 accommodating for people who have who have needs or have accommodate need 1200 01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:08,800 accommodations. So, um, we plan things out better now, uh, when we have CISDs 1201 01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:13,199 or want to bring therapy dogs in. Um, so to answer your question, we plan 1202 01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:16,800 » Question. Is that your lawyer under there? No, Patrick or 1203 01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:20,400 » No, that's somebody else. >> That's Patrick. [clears throat] 1204 01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:22,960 No. Oh, >> on the other hand, like when you when 1205 01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:26,560 you talk about it, the the accommodation, somebody comes in, they 1206 01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:30,880 puts in they put in one of >> just say one of the fire people come in 1207 01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:34,639 and ask for a request. JP's point, there's certain and what Steve said too 1208 01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:38,080 on the fire side of things, whether it's a dog, a cat, a horse, a parro or 1209 01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:43,760 whatever, whatever animals may or may not be okayed by the ADA. The question 1210 01:36:40,719 --> 01:36:47,679 is fit for duty. If you absolutely need this or have this whatever reason, 1211 01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:53,440 whatever disability challenge, whatever it may be for that service animal, which 1212 01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:58,560 is defined by ADA, can we accommodate it? And I can't have 1213 01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:03,840 41 firefighters on trucks with dogs going into fires. There's just I know 1214 01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:08,159 it's a it's a it's a really broad example, but if everybody requested 1215 01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,880 that, we we can't make that accommodation because it's harm to the 1216 01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:15,679 animal and the people and everything else that goes on. That's accommodation. 1217 01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:20,080 We can't make that that way. We'd have to go look at the position description. 1218 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:24,800 Can we rece reassign duties? Now, it comes another policy, which I know Mike 1219 01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:29,360 loves, of okay, you made your accommodation, whatever power that be 1220 01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:33,760 granted through ADA or whatever guideline they decided to use. Is that 1221 01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:38,080 person can they meet? Do they need the service animal to do their job? If the 1222 01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:41,520 answer is yes, does that interfere with them to be able to duty to do their 1223 01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:46,560 duty? And sometimes the answer is no, you 1224 01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:51,840 can't and can't be a member of the fire department 1225 01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:55,840 because of it. So I feel like we've went on a tangent. I want to try and bring us 1226 01:37:53,360 --> 01:38:01,840 back a little bit. So what my understanding is what we need to decide 1227 01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:06,800 is kind of the building side that shared 1228 01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:13,360 services. what happens if there's competing interest especially if it's 1229 01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:18,800 across EMS and the fire >> once we have that determination then 1230 01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:24,800 knowing that fire has their process EMS has their process in there we will be 1231 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:30,719 all good so the question is how can we set it up so that 1232 01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:37,440 there is an entity that can cross the barriers 1233 01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:41,600 to have the conversations about accommodations based on all the criteria 1234 01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:48,080 for ADA when there's conflicting accommodation 1235 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:54,960 requests or I think conflict is probably the stronger word but when they yeah but 1236 01:38:51,760 --> 01:39:01,000 you all know what I mean so what we need to make a decision what's that process 1237 01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:01,000 in there 1238 01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:08,639 » right like the the communication of accom accommodations between 1239 01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:13,320 employers. >> Mhm. 1240 01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:13,320 » So we can make the space 1241 01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:21,239 accommodate the space to follow the ADA. 1242 01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:32,560 » So my thought, so there's a couple ways we can go about this. 1243 01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:34,480 One is I'm going to laugh at saying this, but 1244 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:39,760 I'm going to throw it out there. Anyways, you form a committee which 1245 01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:43,520 could be the two chiefs or whoever else 1246 01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:46,520 that we 1247 01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:56,159 as in the village in town say for EMS you're the ones that will be the I 1248 01:39:53,360 --> 01:40:02,719 forgot what the exact wording is in this draft but the ones that kind of manage 1249 01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:07,600 the competing interests in there and whatever that agreement looks like 1250 01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:11,360 they're the ones that have to um 1251 01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:15,520 kind of finalize the accommodation requests, 1252 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:22,400 making sure it's all set for the shared spaces. That's one option. The other is 1253 01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:28,880 we could go to the town or village, follow our accommodation request through 1254 01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:33,040 our HR process in there. Um which I know Steve shaking his head in there. 1255 01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:37,600 » I think we keep it in house. We don't have to go outside. 1256 01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:41,520 You know, we've got the chief and his designates who see all the medical 1257 01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:44,880 records for their own firefighters already because they have physicals 1258 01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:49,760 every year, I believe. >> Yep. 1259 01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:56,239 » All right. We've got Chief Lang with the medical records and so on and so forth 1260 01:40:52,719 --> 01:41:00,199 for his people plus the fact a better grasp of 1261 01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:10,480 medical anomalies, you know, more so than No offense, Chief, but just 1262 01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:14,080 probably and let the two fight it out. >> I thought we did that already. 1263 01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:19,360 » So did I. But >> so we established a temporary process 1264 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:24,800 until this was decided. So now we need the actual final process 1265 01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:31,280 » in there. I think 1266 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:38,600 » I think it's creating some tensions between the two employers 1267 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:38,600 to have their 1268 01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:47,840 the the policy administrator, you know, they're each responsible for 1269 01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:53,920 administrating policy for their own employees, but I think that there's 1270 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:58,400 » it's um It's seems to be challenging. I mean 1271 01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:03,840 that we've been talking about this I think for many months. Seems that that 1272 01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:08,639 there's there's some difficulty in how each is defining is is this an 1273 01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:14,880 accommodation a reasonable accommodation for my staff. So I'm just getting that. 1274 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:19,840 Would you say that? >> Yeah. Guess the question is what are you 1275 01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:23,920 making the accommodation for? >> Right. And in each 1276 01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:28,239 is the current This is like I I'm on board with Nick 1277 01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:33,679 and everything else. I have dogs. All this stuff. 1278 01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:37,000 You're adding a dog as accommodation for what? 1279 01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:43,679 There's not an accommodation being made. You're you added the you added the dog 1280 01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:48,080 to be trained and that stuff. That's not an accommodation 1281 01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:52,000 for the employee. That's not an accommodation, 1282 01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:56,239 » right? But we're not the employer of that employee. So, we don't know whether 1283 01:42:53,920 --> 01:43:01,280 there's an accommodation or not. >> I mean, I'm not saying that 1284 01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:03,920 » you don't have a trained dog right now. So, the dog's not the dog itself is not 1285 01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:09,119 trained, >> right? So, none of this would apply to 1286 01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:13,840 the dog is what currently this policy. >> So, you're actually violating 1287 01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:15,840 potentially violating ADA. I 1288 01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:20,400 » for the people that >> think it's inaccurate in Wisconsin, 1289 01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:25,119 » not necessarily because of the fact that >> something as simple as a respirator or a 1290 01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:29,280 mask could >> fix the problem. That could be the 1291 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:34,639 accommodation for that person. Here you are. We are providing you with something 1292 01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:38,960 to prevent, you know, a HIPPA mask, you know. 1293 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:44,080 So, I'm not saying that that is the answer. No, I I No, you know. All right. 1294 01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:48,719 So even though the the dog does not fit 1295 01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:53,760 this criteria right now because it's still in training yet, [clears throat] 1296 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:58,960 we could still offer an accommodation to those person or persons 1297 01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:03,920 um for whatever like the old saying goes, 1298 01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:10,239 whatever ails them, you know, kind of thing. I once you're once you know about 1299 01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:18,639 something on once once this board and employers are aware of the law that's 1300 01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:23,440 not uh gloss over until the dog. And again I'm I appreciate both chiefs 1301 01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:29,679 working together. I'm not the anti-dog. I'm looking at this from a medical 1302 01:44:25,679 --> 01:44:33,760 liability issue and following ADA. So, >> well, that's what I meant by virtue of 1303 01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:38,960 the fact that regardless of what status the dog is in right now, 1304 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:45,280 » we may not have conflicting, you know, accommodations right now. It's 1305 01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:51,920 just in this case on the fire side. And maybe it is something as simple as a 1306 01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:56,080 mask if they are that allergic or or whatever. I'm not saying that it's going 1307 01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:59,520 to be, but it could be something as simple as that. 1308 01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:01,520 Have either of you talked with your attorneys about it? 1309 01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:05,360 » What's that? >> Have either of you talked no reason to. 1310 01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:11,360 » We haven't seen this. This just came on Friday, so no in general about it. 1311 01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:16,960 » But you know, right here it says allergies and fear of animals are not 1312 01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:21,360 valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to people using service 1313 01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:26,159 animals. >> Just asking opportunity to consult with 1314 01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:29,280 your attorneys about the situation in general. 1315 01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,480 Uh, >> and maybe that's protected by attorney 1316 01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:35,920 client privilege. So, don't say anything if [laughter] you don't want to say 1317 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:39,199 » that, you know, we were waiting for something to have them review. 1318 01:45:37,679 --> 01:45:42,800 » Okay. In my opinion, I don't board, but kind 1319 01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:45,760 of, [clears throat] >> you know, why have them hypothetically 1320 01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:48,080 review something when they're going to review it? 1321 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:54,560 » It just says reasonable steps should be taken to accommodate all individuals. 1322 01:45:51,679 --> 01:46:00,560 Reasonable. Reasonable. Yeah. >> So, I guess here's my 1323 01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:06,480 » Yeah, I'm trying to move this forward here. So, 1324 01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:08,719 I I guess here I will make the motion. >> Oh, it's not discussing kids. It's just 1325 01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:14,639 an update. >> Just an update. Perfect. Um, but I think 1326 01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:18,960 for me it kind of goes back to again the bug. We need to have something in here. 1327 01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:27,920 So I would just implore uh the village in town to find a way to 1328 01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:34,719 look at this not from the employer standpoint but from the building 1329 01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:41,920 standpoint from the tenants to ensure um that we're all good following ADA and 1330 01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:44,800 also provide an avenue to address conflicts because I think Heidi did you 1331 01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:47,760 bring up a point I really want to reiterate 1332 01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:51,520 And I probably should have picked this uh when I stated it, but I also don't 1333 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:56,159 think it's fair to the chiefs to put them together to fight out if they're in 1334 01:46:53,920 --> 01:47:01,600 conflict in there. That's a disservice to you all in there. So if there's needs 1335 01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:07,199 to be that kind of appeals or whatever that process is, it should 1336 01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:11,520 not be the chiefs. It should be someone else. But the question is who that is 1337 01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:15,440 that's within here because again I don't want to put pit you all against one 1338 01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:17,840 another because that's not fair to either of you. 1339 01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:20,560 » I don't think that's what either of them are saying either. 1340 01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:24,159 » No, it just neither one of them are saying that. I I'm hearing that they're 1341 01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:28,960 really trying to work together. >> Yeah. 1342 01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:35,119 » But again, they have to talk with each other to find out. All right, fire has 1343 01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:40,480 this person, EMS has this person, you know. Okay. 1344 01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:46,320 what is the accommodation that's necessary? Okay. And that person needing 1345 01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:51,474 the accommodation is going to have to provide that information. It's not going 1346 01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:57,040 to be for the two chiefs to figure out [clears throat] uh is it this? No. Is it 1347 01:47:53,679 --> 01:48:05,920 this? No. We have to come with a solution to the to their 1348 01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:10,159 issue. Correct? Yes. However, what if in hypothetical 1349 01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:17,679 the accommodations can be in conflict with one another in there? 1350 01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:24,639 What is the process to adjudicate that? >> Well, that hasn't happened yet. And I I 1351 01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:29,440 view both Chief Archbold and very responsible and and insightful in 1352 01:48:27,119 --> 01:48:34,320 looking into those things. So I I feel that the two chiefs are going to 1353 01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:43,199 communicate well and and uh Chief Lang has worked hard too to um promote open 1354 01:48:39,679 --> 01:48:46,400 communication. So um I I you know I don't think we should plan on what might 1355 01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:49,040 happen. >> At the flip side, I don't want to get in 1356 01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:53,280 the spot where all of a sudden becomes an issue and now we don't have a policy 1357 01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:57,199 in place. This is the time to do it before anything arises. So it's all set 1358 01:48:55,520 --> 01:49:01,199 because again I don't want to put them into conflict with one another or within 1359 01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:06,719 their own staff in there. I want an established process so that if something 1360 01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:10,000 comes up we are good to go. I want to do it right. 1361 01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:13,600 » How would we how would we be doing this without a policy? We wouldn't we're not 1362 01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:17,199 going to be doing it without a policy. You can't you can't start something 1363 01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:20,800 without the solution. >> Yeah. So then what's next? And so that's 1364 01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:25,119 why I say I >> Well, we thought they were there. It 1365 01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:28,639 turned it started off with it was a a a good gesture 1366 01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:33,600 for them to have a dog. That's what it all started with. It wasn't like it was 1367 01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:38,080 any kind of big deal. And the more we deal with it, the more and they they try 1368 01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:41,600 to be accustomed to each other all the way through this thing. Now we're this 1369 01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:47,119 thing. And >> but we got she's got a question back. 1370 01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:55,600 » Yes. Since I go to more than one fire EMS meeting in a month, um I go to many 1371 01:49:51,280 --> 01:50:01,440 and I go to Stoton and Stoton has a policy already. I am sure that you can 1372 01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:06,320 contact other fire departments who already have dealt with this. They're 1373 01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:13,440 not You wouldn't have to start and reinvent the wheel or come up with fire. 1374 01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:19,679 You would have something to work from. I don't know. Um, and personally, I've 1375 01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:26,159 worked healthc care 32 years, and from my experience of patients coming in with 1376 01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:30,639 service dogs, we had to accommodate them right down to walking the dog outside to 1377 01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:37,760 go to the bathroom and making sure the dog had food because the woman was in in 1378 01:50:33,440 --> 01:50:43,119 step down unit from ICU. So, um, that is a bigger deal than all of this, I'll 1379 01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:52,800 have you know, cuz somebody was dying possibly. So, yes, being positive and 1380 01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:58,239 having going ahead and having a policy, you're proactive. I applaud you if you 1381 01:50:55,920 --> 01:51:02,480 actually get it done. But you've worked on this for over half an hour and 1382 01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:06,480 there's no nothing happening. >> It's been five months. 1383 01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:08,719 » Well, that too. And I sat through the first one. It was terrible. 1384 01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:12,560 » Yeah, >> it was terrible. The first time, an hour 1385 01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:15,679 and a half of it, >> none going home. 1386 01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:19,440 » I got I got to clarify something real quick. 1387 01:51:16,639 --> 01:51:23,840 » Do does allow dogs in their building. They allow pets in their dog in their 1388 01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:27,040 building, which is not legal. >> Well, that Okay, so they have 1389 01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:32,400 » They must have a lawyer, too. >> My My thought is there's something out 1390 01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:37,280 there you could work from. I I held out Stoton because I know of it. I I 1391 01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:42,639 » I am I'm incorrect in saying then that it's they they have the perfect policy. 1392 01:51:40,639 --> 01:51:47,599 » I'm not saying I'm not arguing with you. I'm just I'm just trying to say like 1393 01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:51,440 when you say another department uses dogs. 1394 01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:55,360 » There's got to be a policy you can work from that you don't have to reinvent the 1395 01:51:53,599 --> 01:52:00,320 wheel. I worked healthcare long enough to know that. I think I think that's 1396 01:51:58,480 --> 01:52:05,119 where our attorney generated this one from was from other policies that exist 1397 01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:08,880 or he came up with it just based on his pure subject matter expertise. He's a 1398 01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:12,880 municipal attorney. >> So he works with municipalities all over 1399 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:16,880 the county and state. He's >> I don't I don't see how this document 1400 01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:22,159 anybody could come to a conclusion between the two of you to do anything. 1401 01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:29,840 » I'm serious. >> So first off, I created this 1402 01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:33,920 didn't know I was creating it. Had I known that this was the poop storm 1403 01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:39,199 that was created, maybe I would have second thought my decision. 1404 01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:44,639 But it comes from thinking that I would be uh doing good 1405 01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:50,880 for our responder community in in the region. 1406 01:52:46,639 --> 01:52:59,760 Um and maybe a little bit myself too. there through asking many people there 1407 01:52:55,520 --> 01:53:06,320 is no policy. No one has a policy. Either it is 100% we follow the city's 1408 01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:13,360 policy or we have an unwritten policy that says you pick up after yourself. 1409 01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:16,080 So to find someone else's policy there well there there wasn't one to find 1410 01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:22,800 otherwise we would have used someone else's policy instead of drafting from 1411 01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:28,159 from a blank sheet of paper. Um I think the policy that was presented 1412 01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:32,880 as I reviewed it some of the things that caused me grief were it didn't 1413 01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:36,639 specifically say who was going to be evaluating a person's protected health 1414 01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:41,199 information. Um, and the impression I got would be 1415 01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:46,400 that it would was going to be some somebody 1416 01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:53,920 some overarching entity that wasn't part of EMS or wasn't part of my employer 1417 01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:58,719 group that was going to be evaluating my employees 1418 01:53:56,320 --> 01:54:04,639 protected health information. Um, and and maybe I misread and I think 1419 01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:12,239 some proposed edits that that April mentioned adds some clarity to that. 1420 01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:17,599 Um, and then when [clears throat] it comes to request accommodations, then 1421 01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:22,080 whomever, whether it be uh myself and Nick, we get together and make sure that 1422 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:28,719 there's no um competing accommodations that we can work to engineer out um or 1423 01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:32,320 not engineer out. But it's all about the working through the reasonable 1424 01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:38,159 accommodation while attempting to accommodate all requests. 1425 01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:42,239 Um, as far as my staff, um, it was initially identified that we may have an 1426 01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:47,679 allergy to, um, dogs. Um, but that has since been 1427 01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:53,440 found to not be the case. So, I have no other requests for accommodations of my 1428 01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:57,599 staff. And if I received any, I would make appropriate accommodations for 1429 01:54:55,199 --> 01:55:04,400 them. Um, it's it's all about working through 1430 01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:09,199 the process. It's way more stressful than it ever needed to be in my mind or 1431 01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:13,440 I ever thought it would be, I guess, is the better the better statement. 1432 01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:18,440 » Yeah. I wouldn't think it would be quite as bad as CO, you know, 1433 01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:26,480 and as as far as if we would never as a part of an accommodation tell someone, 1434 01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:28,400 yep, you're if you're going to come into the building, you're going to have to 1435 01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:34,199 wear a mask. That's not an accommodation. So, we would work through 1436 01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:34,199 that appropriately. 1437 01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:38,840 It's a big thing. 1438 01:55:40,639 --> 01:55:48,320 » Yeah. So again, I just want to say I appreciate all the conversation. Um, 1439 01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:52,960 again, I appreciate Chief and April for you all working through this. I 1440 01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:57,520 appreciate Chief Lang also as well for having through it go through this. So, I 1441 01:55:55,199 --> 01:56:01,760 feel like we've had a great discussion. Um, kind of identified some of the the 1442 01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:06,639 challenges in there and then it goes back to my initial asses. I just hope 1443 01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:12,719 that moving forward uh the town and village can find a way to 1444 01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:16,080 establish a process to make this as smooth as possible moving forward so we 1445 01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:21,280 prevent potential [clears throat] conflict. 1446 01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:25,440 Have you have you guys looked at a way of accommodating your people that have 1447 01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:30,599 come to you with this >> other than saying no, we're not going to 1448 01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,599 have a dog? 1449 01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:35,040 » Probably not, right? >> Are you looking at me? 1450 01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:38,880 » No, >> you do. 1451 01:56:35,599 --> 01:56:44,960 » I do. I do not typically handle the medical request. Those go the 1452 01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:49,520 administrative stuff goes with April. >> We have to make the accommodation 1453 01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:55,360 » for us. It would be really complicated. I mean, like Jess said, we have like 1454 01:56:53,440 --> 01:57:00,960 fitness for duty expectations in our SOPs, and I would I I personally would 1455 01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:06,320 expect EMS and law enforcement to have something very similar in their SOPs. 1456 01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:12,000 So, um, they operate very similarly to us as emergency responders. So, um I 1457 01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:16,080 would be surprised if they didn't have f fitness for duty expectations as 1458 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:19,280 emergency responders, but that's we have something like that in our SOP. 1459 01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:23,599 » Oh, gee, we're we're going to have a dog shortly. 1460 01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:28,159 » What What should I do if I come into a meeting and I don't like dogs. 1461 01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:32,719 » It's not about liking dogs. That's not what Maybe it is. I don't know that. 1462 01:57:31,119 --> 01:57:37,760 Maybe some of your people don't like dogs. You don't have medical stuff that 1463 01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:42,800 says they have they're against having a dog because they have an allergy. 1464 01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:47,760 May they probably do. I don't know. I'm just saying. We got to find out if 1465 01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:51,639 that's true or not. Not just somebody's opinion. 1466 01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:59,440 » I don't think that's anything we've ever said nor accused anybody of. that if we 1467 01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:03,840 were approached with a reasonable accommodation request, we would 1468 01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:08,239 definitely work to to meet it. >> It's in the personal personal protective 1469 01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:12,080 their social protected health information for one. So, it's not 1470 01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:16,000 something we could discuss. >> If there is a request or an 1471 01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:19,520 accommodation, we would at most I would know generally speaking unless it 1472 01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:22,719 directly came to me right away. I would be made aware that there's an 1473 01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:28,840 accommodation being made >> and reasonable steps should be taken to 1474 01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:28,840 accommodate all individuals 1475 01:58:29,679 --> 01:58:34,480 » and that's >> that's 88 or whatever it is 1476 01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:38,400 » dog DA or whatever it is >> the attorney the attorney drafted this 1477 01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:49,280 » and so who determines if a reasonable accommodation has been 1478 01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:54,880 offered and how is that appeal process or how how is it determined 1479 01:58:52,800 --> 01:59:00,000 that I think that's the important part of the policy 1480 01:58:56,239 --> 01:59:06,320 » is how how what is the criteria how do we decide if a reasonable accommodation 1481 01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:11,920 » the employer would have to take and >> sit down or committee whatever sit down 1482 01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:16,880 with each person say what is your problem do you have a doctor's excuse 1483 01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:22,719 » uh are you just saying that or you don't like dogs or whatever And if somebody 1484 01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:25,599 really comes up with one, well then that's not good, 1485 01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:29,760 » right? Well, and what is the accommodation being made? So they can 1486 01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:33,520 what is accommodation and that's where >> is it a mask? 1487 01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:38,480 It might not be that might not be the accommodation. The accommodation might 1488 01:59:35,119 --> 01:59:42,320 be okay. They have a true allergy. They may need ADA. 1489 01:59:41,119 --> 01:59:46,560 Now the question is you have to look at the position description. 1490 01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:51,440 » Is there a combination that can be made? Are they are they fit for are they fit 1491 01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:56,880 for duty? But what is the ch Steve said challenge or disability or ADA approves 1492 01:59:55,280 --> 02:00:00,159 and it comes through and yes they meet the guidelines of the medical provider 1493 01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,639 these other things and we go down that list there's just going to be some 1494 02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:06,480 things that >> it becomes a hardship 1495 02:00:04,639 --> 02:00:12,480 » I'm correct in saying this what we're at right now this is really a employee 1496 02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:14,880 employer uh labor law type >> yes exactly 1497 02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:18,639 » I would say so >> for sure not so much anything that 1498 02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:20,880 really has to do with the town or village 1499 02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:25,360 We're just the building owners, >> right? 1500 02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:28,159 » But you establish the process. >> Well, 1501 02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:29,920 » I thought we' done that already. >> Establish 1502 02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:33,920 » five months ago >> by policy. You establish the process. 1503 02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:38,560 We'll follow >> that building policy, which is 1504 02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:44,159 effectively what's in front of you. >> That's that's the two pieces. There's we 1505 02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:48,239 can do that for our building, but then there's still your employee. How are you 1506 02:00:45,599 --> 02:00:52,239 going to manage your employee? That's what the policy tells us how we'll do 1507 02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:58,080 that. >> So again, yeah, goes back to my 1508 02:00:54,719 --> 02:01:04,880 comments. You have debs hazard policy, fire hazard policy. We need the building 1509 02:01:01,199 --> 02:01:10,119 policy which covers the middle and there be sticky. songs. 1510 02:01:18,444 --> 02:01:27,040 » [clears throat] >> I would say it comes down to 1511 02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:30,800 fire department and the EMS to just find something where they can get 1512 02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:37,520 along and nobody's going to be sued because of 1513 02:01:34,719 --> 02:01:43,560 employees or >> you get along great. Just so you know. 1514 02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:43,560 » Of course you do. I know you do. 1515 02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:48,840 I don't think that's ever been a a question, but 1516 02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:55,000 we get this stuff here and all of a sudden we're 1517 02:01:55,920 --> 02:02:02,880 just read it says said that you should make accommodations. 1518 02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:06,239 I hate to say it, but so there's a little bit more to this 1519 02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:09,119 thing here. >> So we're we're at like an update. We're 1520 02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:13,360 not approving anything. >> We're not approving anything. you know, 1521 02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:19,199 we can take it back to our, you know, various attorneys or maybe our labor 1522 02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:24,280 attorney is more suitable to review and provide any comments back um 1523 02:02:26,320 --> 02:02:35,320 on this on this policy or edits that we kind of talked about like policy 1524 02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:35,320 administrator and defining those. 1525 02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:42,320 » Yes. Okay. >> Yeah. 1526 02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:49,159 And if your board has anything that you discuss in the meantime though on this 1527 02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:49,159 topic back to next meeting, 1528 02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:53,280 anything else? >> Anything else on this? 1529 02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:56,960 » No, no more, please. [laughter] >> Other than what you got something else? 1530 02:02:55,440 --> 02:03:00,719 » No more. >> All right. Item eight, discuss and 1531 02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:11,360 consider plumbing maintenance item. Um, so this was um coming up in May. Um um 1532 02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:18,159 we had some sediment build up I believe that was causing some issues. Um we are 1533 02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:22,880 going to bring back some quotes for this month to consider. We 1534 02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:28,000 can still consider approving this maintenance item. If we have um some 1535 02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:31,760 quotes that correspond to this maintenance or we 1536 02:03:29,679 --> 02:03:39,270 » Okay. So, this this repair has been a challenge as can be attested to by Nick 1537 02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:43,520 and and Steve. Um, I reached out [laughter] 1538 02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:48,080 to other vendors. The and I had an email for the last meeting from uh Persorn, 1539 02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:53,760 which is a plumbing contractor in Madison. Um, their quote was roughly 1540 02:03:50,239 --> 02:04:01,360 $1,500, but it's not a mill and jet like um 1541 02:03:56,800 --> 02:04:07,360 Matt or Mickey's or Freddy router. >> Um, so Steve reached out to Rotorooer of 1542 02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:12,080 McFarland. Uh, and they too were reluctant to send 1543 02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:19,520 someone out to write a quote. >> Oh my god. Um they they did send a fella 1544 02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:22,480 out >> um 1545 02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:28,400 » showed him where our bathrooms are and he's like, "Well, we would use our 1546 02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:33,679 knifey thingy to break to break up the sediment and then if that didn't work, 1547 02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:37,520 then we'd have to mill it." So I'm like, "Okay, so you're not Nope, 1548 02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:43,360 we don't do that. Someone else would have to do it." um between Perzborne and 1549 02:04:41,360 --> 02:04:48,400 Readyrooer, they're both a time and materials type of company. So, they 1550 02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:55,119 don't necessarily know how long it's going to take, so they could neither can 1551 02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:59,840 give a super accurate quote. Um if Ready or Rotorooer didn't email you, I'm 1552 02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:06,159 assuming they're not going to because they were out early last week. 1553 02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:12,800 So, I think the whole building basically was 1554 02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:18,719 what $6,500 from Mark's ready router or whatever it is. 1555 02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:25,440 » And then there was an additional $3,000 if if we did something else. I I don't 1556 02:05:22,159 --> 02:05:29,480 have I did not bring that quote with me >> on the last one. Um, 1557 02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:38,159 and it the 1558 02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:43,360 it was a big challenge. You know, Chief Lang tried himself. I tried. I mean, I 1559 02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:48,960 was calling all the way to Walkishaw trying to find someone explaining the 1560 02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:54,960 situation and what was actually occurring here. And everybody wants to 1561 02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:58,560 jet. You know, jetting is the way to do it. But when you have 1562 02:05:57,679 --> 02:06:02,480 » tree, >> the minerals 1563 02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:07,920 » that are just attached to the inside of that pipe 1564 02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:11,520 blowing high pressure washer water on it isn't isn't 1565 02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:16,080 the hot ticket. >> I think with Marks coming out and taking 1566 02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:20,480 a toilet out and scoping it, they know what they were quoting. It's does on the 1567 02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:24,560 face of it look like a a lot of money, but it's probably the most realistic 1568 02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:28,800 quote. This the second quote milling all the 1569 02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:33,599 bathrooms lines to the city main then jetting out the city main to flush out 1570 02:06:30,639 --> 02:06:36,719 the system after milling $6,400. Is that the 1571 02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:42,159 » from Mark's ready router and plumbing that second portion of that quote also? 1572 02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:46,800 » That was the second part up into two parts. The first part was $3,200 just to 1573 02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:52,239 do the two bathrooms >> and the quarters 1574 02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:55,840 » and then the 6,400 is all the built the bathrooms to the city main. I would 1575 02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:57,760 make a motion. >> Caveat quickly though. 1576 02:06:57,040 --> 02:07:01,440 » Go ahead. >> My I don't know where my mind was the 1577 02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:06,800 day Mark came out or I don't even know if it was Mark, but the dude came out to 1578 02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:09,199 to do the the quote of I forgot about two bathrooms. I don't think they're 1579 02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:13,719 probably going to have to do anything with the upstairs bathrooms because of 1580 02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:24,280 » the but the main ones would. So, it might come in higher than that. I don't 1581 02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:24,280 know for sure. 1582 02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:30,639 I I think the main ones and the EMS ones need need attention. 1583 02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:36,800 » Everything on the first floor. Yes. To include the EMS quarters, the 1584 02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:40,719 » public one behind the kitchen and all that area. 1585 02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:42,719 » So, what was the burst? 6,500. >> Yeah. 1586 02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:45,440 » Downstairs. >> Well, I make a motion. 1587 02:07:44,079 --> 02:07:50,400 » Those pipes go right past it. So, they're effectively milling out 1588 02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:56,320 everything as it goes past the basement toilet. But I would to make a motion 1589 02:07:52,400 --> 02:08:01,360 that we spend no more than $8,000 on on this uh on this 1590 02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:06,880 what's the company? >> Mark's ready rotor 1591 02:08:02,719 --> 02:08:10,880 » on Mark's ready rotor bill. No, no more than 1592 02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:13,360 a motion. Do I have a second? >> Second. 1593 02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:17,440 » Okay, I have a motion and second uh to approve that maintenance. Um, as of last 1594 02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:27,040 month, just a side note, the building maintenance line we had 15,500 for 2026 1595 02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:31,760 budget and um, Kim ran the report 2400 2420 had been spent. So, um, we have 1596 02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:37,040 room in that it seems in that building maintenance according to last month's 1597 02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:42,159 report. >> We need a motion to say that's where 1598 02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:47,440 it's coming from to >> versus the ESB repair fund. Mhm. 1599 02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:48,639 » You think that's fine. >> You good with 1600 02:08:48,239 --> 02:08:51,679 » Go ahead. >> Yeah. So, add the building maintenance. 1601 02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:55,280 » Yeah. >> Item. Okay. You're good with the second 1602 02:08:53,280 --> 02:09:00,440 on that. >> And where does it come from? 1603 02:08:57,040 --> 02:09:00,440 » Maintenance fun. 1604 02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:11,599 » Okay. We have a motion and second um >> not to exceed uh is that 8,000 for the 1605 02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:15,360 plumbing maintenance item from the building maintenance fund. Uh any 1606 02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:17,920 further discussion on that item hearing? None. All those in favor say I. 1607 02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:23,040 » I. >> Any opposed? Same sign. Uh abstensions. 1608 02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:25,679 Motion carries. >> Okay. Some additional building 1609 02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:31,199 maintenance stuff. It wasn't agenda this way, so no decisions could be made. Um 1610 02:09:29,199 --> 02:09:36,880 we had the roof inspected and they found some spots that need repair and they 1611 02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:43,119 sent us an invoice for $1,500 to repair. Um I actually have photos of it. Let me 1612 02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:46,400 share my screen. Is it leakage, chief? 1613 02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:50,000 At least >> I don't think we've had rain since he 1614 02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:52,320 came out to look at it. >> Yeah, [laughter] but there's leaks and 1615 02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:57,840 there's leaks. >> I It's not leaking that I I I'm aware 1616 02:09:54,800 --> 02:10:02,639 of, but it's also we we've been identified that would have penetration. 1617 02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:06,880 » Yeah. Yeah. They've done a lot of work for 1618 02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:08,000 what the last five or more years or more. 1619 02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:13,760 » Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, so a component of that is 1620 02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:19,280 there's $1,500 for that repair that gets us through. They they'd estimate still 1621 02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:24,000 like a five-year outlook on potential a full re-roof and their estimate for a 1622 02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:27,000 full re-roof and today's cost would be $180,000. 1623 02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:34,560 » Uh, I would like to request that the chair put the Great Lakes roofing on the 1624 02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:38,880 next month's agenda. Okay. >> For action. 1625 02:10:36,159 --> 02:10:42,560 » All right. Great Lakes repair. I will add that 1626 02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:47,040 to next month's agenda. >> And then one more item of things from 1627 02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:51,840 that were of lengthy discussion. Last month, I had a window contractor come in 1628 02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:57,440 for one quote. I'm waiting for a second quote. The answer is on when they need 1629 02:10:54,560 --> 02:11:02,000 to be replaced of well, I mean, they are 30 years old. They're not leaking, so 1630 02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:06,480 they're fine for for now. Um, you'd hat you'd like to get them before they do or 1631 02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:10,320 don't start to leak. Um, the exteriors company, I believe is the company's 1632 02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:17,520 name, they would replace windows and frames um for to the cost of $96,000. 1633 02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:23,040 Um, Helen Brand Glass came out to do an estimate on just replacing the the 1634 02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:27,920 glass. Um, because uh the view would be all we need to do to make the frames uh 1635 02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:32,400 work well again is recock them and then we can put in higher quality glass. I 1636 02:11:30,639 --> 02:11:37,920 have not gotten that quote yet. It's all just for future planning information. 1637 02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:42,480 Um, and I can put that in a document to to give you all as part of a future 1638 02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:46,960 discussion item. >> Okay. I'll add that to you as we're 1639 02:11:44,719 --> 02:11:50,320 looking at budgets and a joint meeting to talk about the study and facilities. 1640 02:11:48,719 --> 02:11:56,639 That'll be good info. >> Nothing that was urgent or short-term. 1641 02:11:53,440 --> 02:12:01,480 It was a more midtermish for planning. 1642 02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:01,480 » Thank you. 1643 02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:10,079 Um, all right. So, that's uh maintenance items. So, item nine, discuss and 1644 02:12:06,400 --> 02:12:16,726 consider adding LOSA to the 2027 budget proposal. There's um an attachment 1645 02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:20,679 in our packet talking about the length [clears throat] of service program. 1646 02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:32,079 » So, we did a staff survey because we were asked about what the staff wanted 1647 02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:36,079 to be added. We have 40 41 members and we had 29 responses. 1648 02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:42,239 » 29 responses >> of that nine people said they wanted 1649 02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:48,560 BOSA and then it was split between didn't want it and uh no opinion. What 1650 02:12:45,520 --> 02:12:52,239 was the percentages on those two people? >> Uh 1651 02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:58,880 that 29. >> Hold on. Sorry. 1652 02:12:54,079 --> 02:13:04,639 » 29. So it's 10 and 10. So roughly 30% is what I mean% 1653 02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:13,040 about 30% said yes and then the rest the 70 it was 31% said yes and then uh 70% 1654 02:13:10,079 --> 02:13:19,119 said no or no preference. >> What was the split on that? Uh 11. No, 1655 02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:25,199 just give you the numbers because that's No, wait. 31% said yes. 1656 02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:31,119 13.79% said no, and 55.17% 1657 02:13:29,119 --> 02:13:35,520 said no preference. >> What was the last number? 1658 02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:40,360 » 55.17% said no preference. Like I don't really 1659 02:13:37,360 --> 02:13:40,360 care. 1660 02:13:43,599 --> 02:13:52,800 Um so this is kind of as uh they start to prepare the next year's budget is 1661 02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:58,000 this something we want to give them direction you know based on the 1662 02:13:55,040 --> 02:14:02,639 information here and the survey is that something we'd like to you know the the 1663 02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:06,719 village board was generally wanted made a takeback that they were generally 1664 02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:11,679 supportive of the program last year when we considered it and would consider it 1665 02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:15,280 again But yeah, 1666 02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:18,079 » give them direction on whether this should be included in 1667 02:14:16,719 --> 02:14:23,599 » and there's there's two different options for LOA as we talked about. So 1668 02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:29,199 you could start a program right now where nobody has any everybody be 1669 02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:38,400 starting fresh at zero no past prior years are counted. Um, and then 1670 02:14:33,599 --> 02:14:42,079 the cost for that would be what's a year? 1671 02:14:40,239 --> 02:14:48,239 » Uh, 18,900 1672 02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:57,679 a year plus a $500 initiation fee and an $800 annual fee and then $20 per member 1673 02:14:52,079 --> 02:15:02,400 for an annual fee. So, $20 20 time 40 4,000. 1674 02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:08,880 No, 8,000. No. Oh my god, it's getting late in the night. 20 * 40 800. 1675 02:15:06,079 --> 02:15:16,000 » Yes, >> true. 1676 02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:20,400 » Roughly, let's see. 200 + 500. >> 2100 plus 189. 1677 02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:26,000 » Roughly 21,000 to start. LOSA and then the first year 1678 02:15:23,679 --> 02:15:31,199 would be 21,000 and then after that it would be just whatever you're putting in 1679 02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:34,719 for your employee cont contributions. The other option is if you wanted to go 1680 02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:39,840 back and pay people that have length of service already. Like this is what this 1681 02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:43,199 chart shows is people how many l how many years of service that people 1682 02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:47,199 already have. For those you wouldn't pay as much for 1683 02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:52,239 the previous years because you didn't do it in the front end. So, 1684 02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:58,639 April calculated out it' be all the total years of service would be 436.61. 1685 02:15:55,679 --> 02:16:03,280 If you paid $100 per year service for the previous years, that would be 1686 02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:09,119 44,000. So, if you wanted to back pay people, you'd start with a contribution 1687 02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:15,599 of 44,000 plus the 21,000 for the year and then move forward from 1688 02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:21,040 there. would be roughly the I don't know 21,000 again every year or 1689 02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:24,400 whatever roughly 20 to 21,000 a year depending on members 1690 02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:30,560 » I think [clears throat] you get you get those people vested that way that's the 1691 02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:35,200 one benefit of doing the back pay I believe you get those people with those 1692 02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:38,319 past years vested [clears throat] 10 years I 1693 02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:43,200 » think it's five years I'd have to check but um oh no tenure you're right I'm 1694 02:16:40,719 --> 02:16:46,479 sorry it says right 10 year vesting. >> Yeah. 1695 02:16:44,880 --> 02:16:50,000 » But also like if you have someone who's got four years, you'll get them vested 1696 02:16:48,559 --> 02:16:56,880 for four years and then maybe you're likely to keep them for five more years 1697 02:16:52,880 --> 02:17:00,719 » so they vest and get their 10 years. >> So this isn't approving LOSA one way or 1698 02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:05,760 the other tonight, right? It's just whether we want to see this in our 1699 02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:09,519 budget documents for next year proposed and we can decide then. But we don't 1700 02:17:07,519 --> 02:17:13,280 want them to go through a whole bunch more work of adding it into the budget 1701 02:17:11,359 --> 02:17:16,519 if it's not something we're interested in implementing. 1702 02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:21,080 » It seems like most of the people don't care. 1703 02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:31,120 » Yeah. So, I would attribute that to they like seeing an immediate reward versus 1704 02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:37,519 having to wait for a a reward. And I would guess that that's likely why they 1705 02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:41,280 don't care. They they probably would they probably want to wait or they 1706 02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:46,479 » when you get the money how long >> 55 retirement age 1707 02:17:44,559 --> 02:17:49,599 » 60 got to wait till 60 >> I'm sure a lot of them are going to 1708 02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:52,719 » so that might be that might be it they're thinking well I might move in 1709 02:17:50,960 --> 02:17:56,960 five years or you know I might not be doing this in five years something like 1710 02:17:54,319 --> 02:18:02,639 that so they're thinking I'd rather see a benefit now versus then and maybe I 1711 02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:04,880 won't even reap the rewards of this so I don't necessarily care I don't have a 1712 02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:11,840 preference >> if I'm correct LOSA is non-t taxable 1713 02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:13,760 income. So as soon as they draw on it, they have to pay taxes on it. 1714 02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:18,800 » Yeah. >> So part of part of that and no 1715 02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:24,479 preference or a is say you go back 10 years or you go back what you put this 1716 02:18:20,800 --> 02:18:30,000 $62,000 in taxes get taken out of that. So basically you're paying in taxes for 1717 02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:34,240 somebody to do that. Not saying that's the only reason not yay or nay not to do 1718 02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:37,280 it. there's 41 members that have a choice to do, but it's something to 1719 02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:40,080 think about >> where privately investing. You have 1720 02:18:38,960 --> 02:18:43,120 other options where you >> where you can do an IRA where you're 1721 02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:46,080 doing on the back end if somebody had the money, but we don't obviously do 1722 02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:50,479 cash anymore. >> To give you additional perspective, so 1723 02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:57,120 if somebody puts in 20 years of service, you guys are putting in $450 or $400 and 1724 02:18:54,319 --> 02:19:01,120 it's matched at $400. So that's $800 a year. You times that by 20, that's 1725 02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:04,800 $16,000. And then they got to do taxes on that. So they might not they might 1726 02:19:03,280 --> 02:19:09,200 go, you know, I don't they might not they're 1727 02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:12,800 kind of doing the math on it and going I'd rather is it worth it? Am I really 1728 02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:17,040 going to get 20 years in and am I really going to get 60? You know, they're kind 1729 02:19:14,399 --> 02:19:22,880 of weighing risk the reward of it and going I don't know. I think they're 1730 02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:27,519 » I don't think anybody and also I think nobody denies this is it's a significant 1731 02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:32,479 gesture by a community to even consider >> Yeah. what 1732 02:19:30,399 --> 02:19:35,359 the these bodies have done and even talking discussing about it talking 1733 02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:38,960 about it but always making sure the paper call and always making sure we 1734 02:19:37,359 --> 02:19:42,719 have good apparatus bringing the things in what's reasonable what you know take 1735 02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:47,359 care of things and things like that so there's a little bit of everything 1736 02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:51,040 that's involved in >> I'm just trying to give you an idea 1737 02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:56,160 perspective of why we see so many going 55% going I don't care 1738 02:19:54,560 --> 02:20:00,319 » are there other incentives that you heard from staff what they what be more 1739 02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:03,840 lucrative. >> So when we ask, it's really funny when 1740 02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:07,840 we ask and do the survey like what what do you enjoy snacks? Like we literally 1741 02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:10,880 had someone type in more snacks. And so we do that, you know, we'll buy we'll 1742 02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:14,800 buy snacks and have them over there. It's funny stuff like that. It's just 1743 02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:19,120 they like the positive environment, the camaraderie. They really like just the 1744 02:20:17,200 --> 02:20:23,840 work that they're doing. Like they don't necessarily sign up for the money all 1745 02:20:21,359 --> 02:20:28,240 the time. Um we did get some feedback that they do like the paper call. Um, 1746 02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:32,000 but not all of them, like not all of them are signing up for the paper call. 1747 02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:35,760 So, you see some going, "Yeah, that's a great incentive. It helps." But others 1748 02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:41,200 are saying, you know, there's other things that they like about it. So, um, 1749 02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:44,399 it snacks is one that makes us laugh 1750 02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:49,359 sometimes. So, we will bring a bag of Twizzlers in or bags of chips and um 1751 02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:52,399 it's little things like that. But, as far as like 1752 02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:54,800 » Who runs this? Who actually runs it? The state. 1753 02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:59,359 » Yeah, it's through the state. And then um VFIS our insurance company helps with 1754 02:20:57,520 --> 02:21:02,640 would we would recommend Horton our insurance company to be the manager of 1755 02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:04,399 it. >> Yeah. 1756 02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:08,640 » And the state does match. >> Yeah. 1757 02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:13,840 » Which is one, you know, benefit I think to really consider 1758 02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:16,160 » and I think they're up to $450 right now. 1759 02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:21,640 » It's increasing. It increases every year. 1760 02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:21,640 Other 1761 02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:29,680 questions, thoughts, any consideration whether we want to see 1762 02:21:26,560 --> 02:21:33,080 this in the budget proposal? >> Not to me. 1763 02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:45,040 » I think there's other things that might be more valuable to the staff. I I 1764 02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:47,520 really do appreciate bringing that input and surveying. 1765 02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:52,240 » A dog. >> Yeah. [laughter] 1766 02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:56,160 Oh jeez. Here we go. We have to go back to that and you [laughter] have to 1767 02:21:54,319 --> 02:22:00,720 » read the room. >> I just I ruined the road. 1768 02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:02,720 » They're really happy with their training prop. 1769 02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:05,439 » What's that? >> They're really happy with their training 1770 02:22:04,080 --> 02:22:06,560 prop. [clears throat] >> Yeah. 1771 02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:10,479 » Yeah, >> that's what we could do. We'll give the 1772 02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:16,160 fire department the training prop. >> Fair. [snorts] Um, so do you want to 1773 02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:19,359 turn that into a motion to not have it? >> Oh, just a 1774 02:22:18,160 --> 02:22:23,840 » 2027 budget. >> I would make a motion we don't discuss 1775 02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:26,479 this for the 2027 budget. >> All right. [snorts] 1776 02:22:24,880 --> 02:22:29,359 Can I have a second on that? >> I'll second that. 1777 02:22:27,439 --> 02:22:35,359 » All right. Motion and second to leave low 2027. Any further discussion? 1778 02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:42,560 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. >> I. Any oppose? Same sign. 1779 02:22:38,880 --> 02:22:50,080 Motion carries. Uh so then moving on discuss pay-per call. Um so we have 1780 02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:55,920 I guess then some input on what might look good for 2027. There's some 1781 02:22:52,560 --> 02:23:04,319 effectiveness June 2025 versus you know yearto date 2025 versus 2023. So that 1782 02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:06,800 was also attached in our packet. >> I know that. 1783 02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:09,779 » Yeah. So it's kind of a mixed bag. I mean, there's a couple people that 1784 02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:13,920 really started responding [clears throat] more and there's some 1785 02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:18,399 people that responding significantly less. I don't think it's I don't think 1786 02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:23,200 it's a reflection of the money. I think it's more so of kind of like when the 1787 02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:28,000 calls are coming in, what what people's commitments are. You know, like I'm down 1788 02:23:26,479 --> 02:23:33,760 I'll just use myself as an example. I'm down 3% this this winter. I spent a lot 1789 02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:38,240 of time out of town for work, so I missed quite a few calls that I wouldn't 1790 02:23:35,439 --> 02:23:43,200 normally be making. Um, but everybody's situation kind of changes a little bit. 1791 02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:45,840 I haven't, you know, you did ask a question about paper call on the survey, 1792 02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:51,479 right? >> I did. Uh, let me go back to that. Hold 1793 02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:51,479 on. 1794 02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:59,040 » Do you have an overall number, April? >> An overall number of what 1795 02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:00,960 » percentage of people that like it or >> No, no, no. 1796 02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:05,479 or what >> uh I just said um 1797 02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:17,640 do you believe it improves responder turnout and I got 41% of people said 1798 02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:17,640 yeah to that. So 1799 02:24:17,840 --> 02:24:24,319 yeah, I mean they like it. So and you're getting almost half of the department 1800 02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:29,720 that appreciates or says that it helps with responder turnout. [snorts] So, 1801 02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:35,840 » okay. >> Oh, I should think we stick with it, 1802 02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:38,720 don't you think? Or >> I think so. 1803 02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:42,160 » Yes. >> I'd make this just for discussion 1804 02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:46,960 apparently. >> Well, if we're not doing the LOSA, then 1805 02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:51,120 should we increase the pay per cup? >> Well, I don't think we only had this a 1806 02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:56,880 year. One of the things that didn't get into the packet that we just got it too 1807 02:24:53,760 --> 02:25:01,520 late, it was the uh every year, I mean, just all the fire departments in the 1808 02:24:58,960 --> 02:25:05,280 state do the survey that tells you how much their pay is 1809 02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:09,920 » for different positions. Um, we did send that to Kim and Cameron 1810 02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:13,439 today just so they could see it for each municipality. Um, could probably be 1811 02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:18,720 forwarded out to all of you guys as well, just so you guys have reference 1812 02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:22,319 for it. But um I think we're right we're still right in line for what everybody's 1813 02:25:20,560 --> 02:25:29,439 doing for pay per call like >> yeah there may be like two or three that 1814 02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:33,280 are a lot higher which is unusual but there's a couple that are way up there 1815 02:25:31,439 --> 02:25:38,399 but for the most part everybody's right around $15. So I think we're pretty 1816 02:25:36,479 --> 02:25:46,720 standard. If we wanted to, we could maybe go up to 17 or 18 for making the 1817 02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:50,000 truck and then 12 or 13 for not making the truck, but 1818 02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:53,600 » you just made the math so much harder, >> right? [laughter] 1819 02:25:51,439 --> 02:25:57,600 » It's going to be so confusing for me. Um, it might be easier to change it by 1820 02:25:55,680 --> 02:26:01,359 fives. [laughter] >> Um, 1821 02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:05,280 you know, seeing the feedback from the staff, I don't I don't know if it's 1822 02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:10,160 necessary in the first year. I almost would like to see a full year's worth of 1823 02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:13,920 data to see the difference and see see the numbers and then do this survey 1824 02:26:12,080 --> 02:26:18,000 again. We do this survey every year with our staff and kind of see where they're 1825 02:26:16,080 --> 02:26:22,800 at and what they want and how they're feeling about the department and the 1826 02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:27,680 district and um what we actually need to do as leadership too to make staff um 1827 02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:31,600 feel happy about the culture and the policies and the procedures and we get a 1828 02:26:29,359 --> 02:26:37,760 lot of really good feedback from them um on what changes we need to make too. So, 1829 02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:42,319 um I think it, you know, they might listen to this and be like, gosh darn 1830 02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:49,200 it, April. But, um it it might be helpful for us data wise to see where 1831 02:26:45,840 --> 02:26:53,760 we're at next year. But, um if you guys are inclined to say no, we as a board 1832 02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:58,000 want to increase it, we're not going to stop you either. So, um I I don't know. 1833 02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:59,760 Do you have anything >> or snacks? 1834 02:26:59,677 --> 02:27:03,359 [laughter] >> Yeah. No, that'll be the next thing be 1835 02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:06,560 What types of snacks? I mean you you start going thing but that's honestly 1836 02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:10,240 that's been a cheto. That's something you can take that's something that 1837 02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:16,240 that's an easy button right so you can we as leaders then the board is a 1838 02:27:13,439 --> 02:27:19,920 separate side of the operation side that's something we can throw minimal a 1839 02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:24,399 nominal amount of money at and just take care of them right so it's these other 1840 02:27:22,479 --> 02:27:29,280 things that go like that but I I would I would tend to agree that I would 1841 02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:33,920 publicly say absolutely not don't do it um you know I'd like to see if it it is 1842 02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:38,880 is it making from your perspective I if I was asking 1843 02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:44,080 I'd be like, "What is your intent? What is our intent of the of the paper call? 1844 02:27:41,200 --> 02:27:49,439 And is it is it doing what our what we expected it to do in in the 1845 02:27:48,000 --> 02:27:52,880 short time that we've done that? I don't know that we have an answer for it." I 1846 02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:56,000 think even the staff not doesn't necessarily know it quite yet. 1847 02:27:54,479 --> 02:28:01,120 » One of the biggest goals was for recruitment and retention. Like that's 1848 02:27:58,160 --> 02:28:07,200 ideally 100% what it was for is for us to pull in a draw of staff and 1849 02:28:04,160 --> 02:28:12,560 advertise, hey look, we we pay you to respond to calls and try to draw in more 1850 02:28:09,520 --> 02:28:17,760 staff. Um not necessarily so much for turnout on getting people to come to 1851 02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:23,040 calls because we do okay with that. It's more of generating uh you know more 1852 02:28:20,560 --> 02:28:26,160 volunteer staff to join the department. >> Not that we're necessarily doing bad 1853 02:28:24,399 --> 02:28:32,160 with that either because we're okay. We're pretty steady, but if we can get 1854 02:28:28,880 --> 02:28:37,760 more volunteers and build up to our number 50, that never hurts. So, 1855 02:28:35,680 --> 02:28:40,160 » yeah, JP and then Steve and I had something too. 1856 02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:42,240 » So, I know in the last meeting you mentioned that we were wrapping up 1857 02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:46,399 quarter two. Yep. >> Um, so just out of curiosity, have you 1858 02:28:44,960 --> 02:28:51,120 had a chance to kind of look at where we are budgetwise? Are we staying kind of 1859 02:28:48,880 --> 02:28:54,560 in the allocation? Yeah, >> I know that's like it was a moving 1860 02:28:52,560 --> 02:28:59,359 target first time doing it. So, >> we weren't we were curious as to how it 1861 02:28:56,479 --> 02:29:04,399 was going to go and we used uh 2025's and 2024's data to kind of estimate what 1862 02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:08,800 our call numbers were going to be and build out what our budget was going to 1863 02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:14,720 be for 2026 pay for a call and we're pretty much right on. Um even knowing 1864 02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:21,600 that we're just a tad higher for call responses. Um the staffing turnout is 1865 02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:26,319 very similar for 2024 and 2025 as it is in 2026. So that actually helps with our 1866 02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:32,640 calculations to kind of work out where right where we need it to be. So um 1867 02:29:30,000 --> 02:29:40,080 quarter one was uh I don't know if you want me to say it. Um I'll just say it. 1868 02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:46,520 Uh 17,420. Quarter 2 was 18,120. So, if we stay right in those numbers, we're 1869 02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:46,520 going to be right around probably 1870 02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:53,200 » 65 70 72ish >> 74, 1871 02:29:50,399 --> 02:29:56,960 » which is I believe right around right where we budgeted for because we're 1872 02:29:55,873 --> 02:30:01,840 [clears throat] including just so you know, we're including training, Sunday 1873 02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:05,760 duty, and pay-per call all within that number. So, that's not just pay-per- 1874 02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:11,439 call in that number. That includes our training budget, our um Sunday duty 1875 02:30:08,319 --> 02:30:16,319 budget, and our incident response. So, we're paying out every quarter all three 1876 02:30:14,319 --> 02:30:20,160 of those items. So, if you look at in our budget, I our 1877 02:30:18,319 --> 02:30:25,840 line budget um the amounts that we have for those 1878 02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:27,920 three things and add those up, which I don't have that in front of me right 1879 02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:30,800 now. >> How about we talk about it at budget 1880 02:30:29,600 --> 02:30:34,600 time? Yeah, >> will likely come under 1881 02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:41,280 Um I did have one question about the Pleasant Springs contract says fee shall 1882 02:30:39,840 --> 02:30:45,760 first be applied to the operational expenses incurred by the department to 1883 02:30:42,800 --> 02:30:48,319 provide services to the if we respond to Pleasant Springs. Does it come out of 1884 02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:53,359 the Pleasant Springs fund or does it come out of the regular? 1885 02:30:50,319 --> 02:31:00,240 » No, it's primarily Pleasant Springs is allocated towards capital funds. So, we 1886 02:30:57,040 --> 02:31:04,240 have to be really careful and we kind of pay attention to what we request 1887 02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:09,120 Pleasant Springs funds for because the Pleasant Springs funds portion of that 1888 02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:12,800 is 2% dues funds from Pleasant Springs. So, we kind of know that's what Pleasant 1889 02:31:10,640 --> 02:31:17,359 Springs is doing with those funds. So, that means that those funds can really 1890 02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:23,359 only be spent on certain items, which is um fire apparatus, public education, 1891 02:31:20,399 --> 02:31:27,439 fire inspections, and LOSA if we were ever going to buy LOSA. And that's only 1892 02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:32,640 to that's typically to help make sure that those funds are properly spent to 1893 02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:36,800 assist Pleasant Springs during audit time. 1894 02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:40,960 » Okay. Yeah. Because it that's good to figure out what the definition of the 1895 02:31:38,800 --> 02:31:44,000 operational expenses incurred by the department to provide services to the 1896 02:31:42,560 --> 02:31:49,120 residents of town of Pleasant Springs pursuant the PS contract and then any 1897 02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:51,760 remaining fees shall be applied toward capital expenses. So that was I just 1898 02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:57,680 wasn't sure what >> so we know as a department that th 1899 02:31:54,479 --> 02:32:02,479 that's how Pleasant Springs uses or allocates those funds and gives them 1900 02:31:59,520 --> 02:32:07,840 puts them aside and how they're using their 2% use funds. Um and that they're 1901 02:32:05,040 --> 02:32:12,770 using those 2% dues funds to help fund that contract so then when the 1902 02:32:10,399 --> 02:32:15,680 department is audited that [clears throat] those funds are properly 1903 02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:19,359 spent a certain way. >> Okay. Yeah. I was reading the agreement 1904 02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:25,760 trying to figure out what exactly that meant. So um so uh if there are 1905 02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:30,960 adjustments I know it's costs more to live and recognizing that you know if we 1906 02:32:29,359 --> 02:32:35,359 think that there should be some kind of cost of living adjustment because we 1907 02:32:32,720 --> 02:32:38,720 recognize the sacrifice that the firefighters are taking away from you 1908 02:32:37,439 --> 02:32:42,479 know their lives and it's more expensive to live to hire a you know babysitter if 1909 02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:44,720 you have to have someone come watch your kids or you have to be away from your 1910 02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:50,800 job. um if I would support that if it comes 1911 02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:55,280 forward in the budget um to to do an adjustment in the pay um I would 1912 02:32:53,760 --> 02:33:02,560 understand that. But if we want to keep going with more data and 1913 02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:06,160 so I guess that's just my I thought we don't have where it's not consideration 1914 02:33:04,319 --> 02:33:09,840 tonight. It's just kind of update and >> you can talk with the chief and show hey 1915 02:33:08,399 --> 02:33:16,080 here's what I'm doing with the budget, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. So that'll be coming 1916 02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:21,760 in budget to continue the program. >> I appreciate the feedback on the staff. 1917 02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:24,800 » Does the budget come to this committee next month or September? 1918 02:33:23,359 --> 02:33:28,640 » September, I thought. >> Yeah. 1919 02:33:26,319 --> 02:33:35,800 Yep. September. Um any other 1920 02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:35,800 comments, thoughts on paper call? 1921 02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:43,040 » Okay. Item 11, discuss and consider commission meeting location remaining at 1922 02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:47,760 town hall or switching to ESB. This was brought up to me last month. Um, see if 1923 02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:51,680 we want to uh consider that 1924 02:33:49,359 --> 02:33:57,520 » fourth Monday EMS, >> right? Training. So, it might 1925 02:33:54,479 --> 02:34:00,960 it works out to just stay here and we don't want to 1926 02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:06,141 spend the first Monday. >> What's that? I don't know. I I do know 1927 02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:06,141 it's Monday. [laughter] 1928 02:34:06,399 --> 02:34:11,520 I mean, we have some months that we don't have fourth Monday training, but 1929 02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:14,160 it's the months you wouldn't want to have a meeting on a fourth Monday 1930 02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:18,960 either. >> Yeah, we're not 1931 02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:23,280 » December and May. Fourth Monday is always 1932 02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:28,160 » This is item 11. >> Yep. Item 11. 1933 02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:31,120 we could just not take any action and it'll stay here or um if someone's 1934 02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:36,399 inclined to >> motion to keep it at the town because of 1935 02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:38,560 the fact that the fourth Monday is EMS training at DEES. 1936 02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:43,439 » Second >> motion and second um to keep our 1937 02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:45,120 meetings here at town hall. Thank you for hosting us by the way. 1938 02:34:44,720 --> 02:34:51,439 » Yeah. >> Um any further discussion on that item? 1939 02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:54,479 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. I. 1940 02:34:52,479 --> 02:34:59,439 » Any opposed? Any abstain? Motion carries. Um item 12, discuss and 1941 02:34:57,600 --> 02:35:05,120 consider moving the September meeting to Wednesday, September 30th, 2026 or other 1942 02:35:02,240 --> 02:35:10,560 date that week. I have a conflict on the 28th. So I was hoping that I could still 1943 02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:14,800 be part of the budget conversation and that you might consider rescheduling the 1944 02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:16,640 September meeting so I can still be part of that. Otherwise, I would send my 1945 02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:20,160 alternate >> a quarter. [laughter] 1946 02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:24,688 » It'll cost me a quarter. I I could make cookies and bring them over. I'll turn 1947 02:35:22,722 --> 02:35:29,479 [laughter] [clears throat] 1948 02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:29,479 » keep the quarter. I'll take the cookies. 1949 02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:39,600 » It's the fifth Wednesday, so there shouldn't be a different regularly 1950 02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:43,040 scheduled um meeting from either municipality, but I don't know. It's 1951 02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:45,359 » okay by me. >> Yeah. 1952 02:35:43,520 --> 02:35:52,560 » What date? That's Wednesday. >> Wednesday the 30th. Um, 1953 02:35:49,280 --> 02:35:56,479 I wouldn't be done with work until 7 that night. Anything, 1954 02:35:55,439 --> 02:36:00,800 Lori? I mean, >> no. I mean, it's not a there's no other 1955 02:35:59,200 --> 02:36:06,240 meetings at night. If we wanted to go back to a 7 o'clock meeting 1956 02:36:03,040 --> 02:36:10,319 » and I'll start I can um I'll join Zoom until I get here. 1957 02:36:08,160 --> 02:36:14,800 » Yeah, we have just it takes a little bit to get through the first few items now. 1958 02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:18,880 And importantly, of course, is is that a night that 1959 02:36:17,439 --> 02:36:21,880 all of you would be available? >> Yes. 1960 02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:27,359 » All right. Thank you so much for accommodating that. 1961 02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:31,920 » Make a motion. >> Uh, yes, please 1962 02:36:28,800 --> 02:36:36,880 » make a motion to move >> September 1963 02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:39,920 meeting to the 30th >> at 7 p.m. 1964 02:36:38,319 --> 02:36:43,120 » 7 p.m. Second. Second. >> Motion. Second to move September 1965 02:36:41,359 --> 02:36:47,200 meeting. Thank you so much for accommodating that. I really appreciate 1966 02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:50,319 it. Um all those in favor or any further discussion. 1967 02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:55,120 » All those in favor say I. I. >> I. Any opposed? 1968 02:36:52,000 --> 02:36:59,680 » Any abstain? Motion carries. Um then we have one other item. Our October meeting 1969 02:36:57,520 --> 02:37:04,800 falls on the village board budget workshop. 1970 02:37:01,280 --> 02:37:08,560 uh is if we can always talk about this later if you don't have October 1971 02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:15,200 meetings, but uh I wanted to bring that up earlier rather than later. If 1972 02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:18,680 you might consider moving October, I mean we could also 1973 02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:26,040 if if there's nothing I don't know if there's we would have already talked 1974 02:37:22,640 --> 02:37:26,040 about our budget. 1975 02:37:28,479 --> 02:37:35,920 » What's the Tuesday the 27th? You would have training on Tuesday the 1976 02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:38,964 27th. Is that >> Oh, 1977 02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:40,983 » would you have training on the 26th? [clears throat] 1978 02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:52,080 » Yeah. Tuesday the 27th created. >> Okay. 1979 02:37:49,439 --> 02:37:58,479 Fourth Wednesday commission, right? 1980 02:37:53,600 --> 02:38:02,800 » What about Tuesday the 20th, the week before? So nobody trading me. 1981 02:38:01,040 --> 02:38:06,240 » Oh yeah. Um Wednesday the 21st. 1982 02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:09,200 » Thursday the 29th. >> Huh? 1983 02:38:06,880 --> 02:38:13,040 » Oh yeah. That's the fifth Thursday. So >> Thursday the 29th. 1984 02:38:10,640 --> 02:38:18,319 » No 21st. You're in October. >> On Wednesday the 21st. 1985 02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:21,120 » I have a library board meeting. >> I have another meeting. 1986 02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:26,960 » Third Wednesday. >> Yep. 1987 02:38:23,680 --> 02:38:31,280 » On the third Wednesday the 21st. Yeah. 21st. What about 29th? 1988 02:38:29,680 --> 02:38:33,920 » 29th. >> It's a Thursday. 1989 02:38:32,319 --> 02:38:38,720 » Thursday. >> You come dressed for Halloween. 1990 02:38:37,260 --> 02:38:41,920 [laughter] >> Themed themed night. 1991 02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:43,920 » Theme night. Theme night. >> Halloween theme night. 1992 02:38:42,880 --> 02:38:49,640 » Firefighter. >> I can do it. Just dress in soccer. 1993 02:38:50,240 --> 02:38:55,040 » So, October 29th >> at 6:30. 1994 02:38:54,640 --> 02:38:57,920 » Yes. >> Yes, please. 1995 02:38:55,760 --> 02:39:00,319 » Is that a Thursday? Yes. I don't like Thursdays. 1996 02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:03,515 » That's okay though. >> I don't like Mondays. [laughter] 1997 02:39:04,160 --> 02:39:10,479 » Is there any possibility? >> I didn't mean to scare you guys at 6 1998 02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:15,520 that night or no. >> Or you're coming in coaching gears. 1999 02:39:12,960 --> 02:39:18,880 » I I would prefer six, but I can make six work. It's fine. So, whatever this I'll 2000 02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:22,479 make whatever the >> whatever the group consensus is. 2001 02:39:20,479 --> 02:39:23,840 » Okay. All right. >> Six. 2002 02:39:23,120 --> 02:39:29,120 » Life is good. >> Come dressed with Halloween treats. 2003 02:39:26,720 --> 02:39:34,399 All right. So, um I'd make the motion then to move October's meeting to 2004 02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:37,760 Thursday the 29th at 6 PM. >> Okay. 2005 02:39:36,560 --> 02:39:41,040 » That's six. >> Yes, sir. Six. 2006 02:39:40,240 --> 02:39:46,720 » I'll second it. >> Okay. Motion second. Um on October's 2007 02:39:44,319 --> 02:39:51,359 meeting. Any further discussion on that? Hearing none. All those in favor say I. 2008 02:39:48,319 --> 02:39:55,600 » I. Any opposed? Any abstain? Motion carries. Um our next meeting date then 2009 02:39:53,920 --> 02:40:03,000 August. If we flip back a little bit, it's August 24th, 2010 02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:03,000 Monday night at 6:30 p.m. 2011 02:40:03,359 --> 02:40:07,880 and uh we have 2012 02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:18,160 building maintenance. We can talk about if something we have the plumbing 2013 02:40:16,080 --> 02:40:21,040 maintenance item. >> We have results of the rotorooer job 2014 02:40:20,479 --> 02:40:25,280 item, [laughter] >> right? 2015 02:40:22,960 --> 02:40:29,200 Do you have other items that you can think of right now? Otherwise, let me 2016 02:40:26,800 --> 02:40:33,920 know as we come up. Anyone else have any other items for 2017 02:40:31,840 --> 02:40:38,399 » That was the 24th for August. >> Yep. August 24th. Our regular 4th 2018 02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:43,760 Monday. Um I would that says discuss and 2019 02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:51,280 consider also. I move that we meet August 24th uh at 6:30 p.m. We have our 2020 02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:56,880 agenda items. Any second? 2021 02:40:54,479 --> 02:41:00,160 » Okay, motion second. Uh, any further discussion? Hear none. All those in 2022 02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:07,800 favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? Stain. Motion carries. 2023 02:41:03,680 --> 02:41:07,800 » And finally, item 15. 2024 02:41:09,680 --> 02:41:17,319 » Second. [laughter] >> Motion. Second. Non debatable. 2025 02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:17,319 » All those in favor say I. I. 2026 02:41:18,319 --> 02:41:20,240 is >> 911. 2027 02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:24,000 » 91. >> Are we out? 2028 02:41:21,200 --> 02:41:27,280 » We are done. >> Anybody want to go for breakfast? 2029 02:41:26,251 --> 02:41:32,800 [laughter] Anybody? >> Oh, you would. Yeah, sure. 2030 02:41:29,840 --> 02:41:32,800 We start in that feeling.