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The plane had an ice, the ice did not function to exit plain.

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I would just be glad they did. I would just be glad they did.

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I would just be glad they did.

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I would just be glad they did.

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I don't know, like, don't think about half of the tree off the other people, but then make

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you feel we're all, we're all confident, we're going to get into the part.

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We're going to get into the other part, we're going to get into the other part, my one brother,

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it seemed like every time he went to fly something happen, they had parts go bad, or tire

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go flat or something. But in all the years, they always made it just fine. But oh, he used

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to tell us about flying out of Greenland. And can we open up the meeting for February 11th,

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study session? Teller doing homework. We do the role call, Mr. Manix.

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Council Member

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Council Member Mark McBrady, absent, Council Member Victorio Lentier, Vice Mayor Amy Lantz

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excused Mayor Terry Nolan.

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Public comment on non-agendized items anybody in the public want to say something.

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We want to start a steady session, I am for a, you know, we have three people on that.

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That's okay.

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The discussion with Mr. Dorpield and Planet X communities and obtained council input on the general plan update process.

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Topic of possible discussion and but include general plan steering committee.

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Public participation plan best practices and updating general plan.

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Mr. Thanks.

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Yes, Mr. Mayor council. Good evening.

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We do have Leslie Dornfield here from Planet Communities to give us update and a general idea of the process.

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She has a PowerPoint and we'll do a presentation to you, or for you, and answer any questions that you may have in regards to this.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm just a Dornfield.

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Then we won't time yet.

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I think that would be good.

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We'll let you have more than three minutes.

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Or, right, we're going to have, thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you, members of the council.

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Thank you for your interest in the plan.

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Before we start this little slideshow here,

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I just want to reiterate what my job is as your consultant.

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And as your consultant, I'm here to listen to you,

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to listen to your community and help you achieve your goals.

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And what I bring to the table is tools.

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So, my job is to give you the tools to get what you want, my job is not to tell you what you want.

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I just want to be really clear about that upfront.

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As we go through this process, you might hear me saying things like, well, you could consider or have you thought about,

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but again, that's just to make sure that you have all of the choices in front of you before you make a decision.

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So, I just want to kind of lay that out there and let everybody know that.

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If any questions about that, please feel free to ask.

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So general plan assessment process.

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So to just remind you what we're doing now is looking at your current general plan and

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deciding if that plan is an adequate plan to just re-adopt or if you want to update the plan

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to address more current issues and more current challenges that you think you might be facing in the future.

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So the way we're going to assess this plan is to work with you and work with your community.

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and so I just want to go through that process with you a little bit. So what I'm going to talk about today,

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do you feel like a quicker one? Okay, you can close the next. So what I'm going to talk about with you today

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or what we're going to assess just a quick overview of that, how we're going to get people included in the

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assessment process, what the role of the steering committee is because our proposal was based on

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a steering committee model. And then staff just asked me to talk to a little bit about some best practices

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when you look at updating a plan. So I'll throw some of that out there for your consideration. Next.

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So with the projection areas, the areas that we're going to look at when we begin to assess

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your plan and just to remind you, we have Rick Merritt from Elliott DiPolic and Company,

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and also Kim Lee Horin that did your transportation plan update. They're both on our team.

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So as we go through the assessment, we'll be also relying on their expertise in certain areas.

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One of the things we'd probably want to look at are the projections,

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So those accurate to those reflect what we think will happen over the next 10 to 20 years will look at your maps.

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Those reflect your community, your current transportation system, your current trails and open space system.

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And also since that plan was adopted, technology has changed so much that we can just do we want the same quality of map or do we want to improve that as well.

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Looking at your land use plan and the land use categories that you have, do those make sense for you as you move to the future and not.

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Again, this will all come through community dialogue.

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Looking at your roadway classifications, your circulation system, the cost of development element.

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We might want to reflect that in the plan.

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Open space trails, I believe you adopted a trail's plant since your last

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general plan update. We might want to think about incorporating that environmental

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planning. The state law talks about, it's just sort of the impact on air and

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water quality, but there are other topics you could include in environmental

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planning. If you felt they were relevant, water resources, this is becoming an

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important topic throughout the state. There was just another article in the

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paper about it today. And then also what it's going to take to amend your

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and we'll plan, do you want to look at that old process

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because remember we must conform to the plan,

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that's by state law.

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as long as it's not bigger than 640 acres

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and it doesn't matter what your general plan says.

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What do you want to decide in terms of your amendment process? How much discretion do you want to give to yourself to make zoning decisions or your planning commission to make recommendations next?

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So those are all the topics we're going to look at in this assessment process.

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So how are we going to do that? We're going to engage in the public and our proposal includes basically five meetings, three of them are steering committee meetings.

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One of them is a community meeting and one of them is a presentation to both the Town Council and the Planning Commission.

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I'm a famous way.

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I'll go through each of those quickly.

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So here's the steering committee meetings.

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So those icons are meant to be a scope icon or schedule icon.

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And then what the vision for the plan is.

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So you have a vision in your current plan.

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We're going to ask this during committee to look at it and we'll go through a facilitated exercise

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that asks them, do you feel this is still appropriate for your community or not?

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And that's going to begin to tell us, you know, it's the plan really on track or not. We're going to

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begin to look at each of these things and down the line when we bring our recommendations to

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if the vision has changed, we might say, you know, the community has different ideas for a vision

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then that's in the old plan or we might say community thinks existing vision is absolutely great.

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we don't think that should change. The second meeting, and you see those big exclamation points,

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it's really meant to say, what are the big topics we think we need to address over the next

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10 to 20 years. And although a general plan is only a 10-year document, one of the things I want to

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point out, and I say this to a lot of communities, is what you put in place now is the trajectory

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for what you get in the future. So a lot of communities say 10 years, it's not that long,

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But a lot happens in 10 years, and 10 years ago, we didn't have self-driving vehicles.

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flips, look at our smartphones now, their computers in our hands.

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for what we want to be doing in the future, our choices in the future.

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what do we see as challenges to going forward?

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So theoretically we have our vision and people have talked about that, we then say, okay,

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what are the big ideas in that vision and what are the challenges that may be, we need to address.

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I'll talk about the format of that.

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and how that all aligns.

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And we might even want to add some pieces to our plan, we might want to take pieces out of it.

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do you just want to paper document?

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So that's the steering committee process and I'll talk about what its steering committee is in a minute.

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This is our community meeting and I want to be very clear, these are just tables of people, they're not focus groups.

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And the way the community meeting will work and typically I think for this community so that everybody gets to say and nobody's left out of the discussion and everybody gets to talk about what they want to talk about at the meeting.

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It's typically, it's, it's, it's, it's, I've heard it called a town hall style model.

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I, you may have heard of Arizona town hall. Sometimes they use this model.

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and act as, um, what I would call moderators. They guide the discussion.

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what the steering committee said, here's what they think is important. Here are the issues they

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think are important. Tell us what you think. Are they right? Are they wrong? Are they wrong? You know,

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do you have other ideas? And we take each one of these tables and it's an issue. It's the topic. Maybe

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there are two topics per table. But the community rotates through all the tables during that meeting.

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So if it's a two hour meeting and we have four tables, it's 20 minutes a table. If there's a gazillion

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topics we might say you guys you need to pick four topics we can't have everybody rotate

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through 15 topics in a two or three hour meeting but we'll make it work or we could put

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two or three topics in a table that just depends on where we're at when we're there those

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fine details. At the end of the meeting so everybody here is what was said at the tables the

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reporters go back and present to the front of the room here is what our table said here are

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the important things they said all those notes get saved we document all that and that gets turned

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into a public engagement document that we can provide to you.

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So everybody knows what everybody is saying.

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It's all out there.

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There's nothing that's not out there.

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And I want to be really clear in this meeting.

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hey, are you talking?

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You don't seem like you've said a lot.

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I don't tell people what to say.

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are developed by the steering committee.

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So this is a from the community to the community of that and my job is to organize it and then make sure people are engaged. So that's the community meeting.

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And the things that were scoped to present to you are the plan organization what we think should be in it based on what we've heard from the community.

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things we might want to update or add, again, based on what we've heard from the community, and then a schedule, and I think that this can also be something the steering committee gives us a lot of guidance.

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Here's how we want to continue to involve the public in the future.

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Here's our schedule. Here's how we think we can move it forward.

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I can stop the answer questions or go on, it's up to you.

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Should I keep rolling?

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No, I got a question.

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You know, here.

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Meaning three that you're going into new, new issues.

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And I thought first phase of this was just to go past go through the existing plan.

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and work on that to make sure stuff like that

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doesn't need to be changed.

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It looks like you're going, you know,

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can totally into the new.

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No, no, that's not what that's intended to say.

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That might be trying to think of something.

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You don't have a historic preservation element in your current plan.

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Someone through the community meetings,

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we might have a lot of people saying, you know what?

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We need a historic preservation element.

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We need to represent our community.

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we need to preserve the five historic buildings we have, so that new might be my saying to you

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you don't have a historic preservation element in your plan now, you might want to include one

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later. That's all it is. It's not going into the new topics, but I'm certainly in a public meeting.

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I wouldn't recommend saying to someone while we can't talk about it.

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Anything new in the future. You know what I mean? We can't. So that's all it's meant. It's not to say to bring in new issues. It would be anything that's generated by the community that we're not addressing now that I would hope to bring forward to you to say your current plan isn't addressing these community concerns.

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I mean, you might want to think about addressing them. That's what that's meant to say.

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I'm going to ask you jointly with Mr. Siglo, our attorney, I had a question that was posed

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to me to bring you four of this council meeting based on the general plan.

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The town council was obligated to follow the general plan.

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Land use is a large part of the general plan and that part has a future zoning map that the town would like the town to grow into.

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The actual town zoning map is slightly different from this.

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I know that the council will want to change more of this future zoning map in the new general plan.

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The question is, will the existing zoning maps stay in place until the private landowner's

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request to change in zoning that matches the future zoning map?

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And if the town request changes in town zoning to match the future zoning map, will prop

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207 kick in.

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So if the town council requests to change prior to the future zoning map, will prop to a

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I'm really glad you asked that question.

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The general plan does not have a zoning map in it.

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It has a general plan land use map.

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That's in statute.

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That land use map specifies the intensity and density

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of proposed land uses, also in statute.

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It is not zoning.

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Zoning prescribes specific uses, dog kennels, nursing homes,

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hospitals, it prescribes setbacks, it prescribes curb cuts, it prescribes height.

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General plan land use categories don't do that.

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It's a land use category.

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A bunch of zoning classes can fit into any category.

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Many times, and it has happened, where communities want to be really progressive with their plan,

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they'll go and potentially look at updating their zoning ordinance after their plan.

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However, a general plan does not change on the ground zoning at all in any way by law.

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So, anything you have does not change.

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So, you might ask, well, then why even bother with a general plan that?

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Because it's meaningless, right?

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Where a general plan map has an influence is as we move to the future.

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So, let's say a great example is I'm doing some work in Casa Grande on their general plan.

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and they're very excited about their historic downtown.

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One of the things they want to do in their historic downtown

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is allow taller buildings so that they can have

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maybe three or four-story residential in that area.

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A lot of the zoning there right now doesn't permit it.

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It also doesn't permit mixed use where you could have

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like retail in the bottom and residential on top.

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The general plan, if you want to change your zoning,

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You need to change it to align with the general plan, or you need to amend the plan, which is why your plan amendment process is important.

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There's a lot of communities that have general plans and zoning sits in six years into it.

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Some guy comes along or some woman comes along and says, hey, I want to change my zoning on these 50 acres, 10 acres, two acres, whatever it is.

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And you might say, if your amendment process, depending on your amendment process, which we get into,

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you got to change it to meet the plan.

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They might say, you know what that plan is?

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Six years old, it doesn't make sense anymore.

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As a counsel, you would say, you know what?

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Bring us forward a plan amendment.

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We'll change the plan to meet the zoning you want.

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So the plan has two valves.

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One, it doesn't mess with what you've got.

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And two, you can always change the plan.

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It has to be flexible.

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It's not in concrete.

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And I'll give you a great example why.

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I don't know if any of you read the paper lately,

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but Tempie just built the first department complex

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where you're not allowed to have cars.

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Done.

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No cars, some light rail.

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It's made national news.

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It's a real groundbreaking project.

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And the general plan, right, anticipated that kind of development.

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If that guy wanted to go into that site

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and build a standard old school one story building,

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the plan might not have let him do it,

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as Temp he said in the future we want to change.

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He could have used his existing zoning.

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I don't know what it was.

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It was probably commercial.

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Or he could change to what the plan wanted.

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Or he could have chosen to amend the plan.

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So a plan does not affect existing zoning.

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So 207, it's not an issue.

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Now, if, for example, your plan had regulatory policies

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like this area now shall become a historic preservation zone

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and you can't change the facade of your property.

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It's still a policy, but maybe someone could go after you or not, and you might, you know, but that's really it.

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It's not a tool of seven document.

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And there is no zoning map in a general plan. I cannot say that strongly enough and enough.

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Yes.

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Okay. So when you look at the land use portion of the general plan, it looks a lot like a zoning map.

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only the uses look bigger because we're a general planals say commercial it's

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fitting in C1, C2, I1, C3 in that area or instead of saying industrial heavy industrial

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is a employment as that big bubble on the general plan. But you're right there's an inconsistency

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for a period of time, if the general plan land use is different than this used lovely example,

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the general plan says high density public transportation fed apartment complex here,

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But the land uses single-family housing for zoning, okay?

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So you've got a little bit of an inconsistency there.

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The issue, though, is that zoning category is what that person has

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and they could continue to have single-family housing on that forever.

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In fact, if it was empty and assuming that the city didn't get going

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and changed the zoning while the use was abandoned or something.

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They could build a new single thing on the house there.

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Now, if being as were in this phase,

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close now we're in the process to go in a council to go in and change the usage at this point

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without hearing from the community or the landowners to try to change that a men with

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the landowners permission, would that now cause some great general plan?

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But 207, yeah, no, not the general plan.

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Because they'll change the zoning use that they always had on them.

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Now, they don't retain, because they don't have any right

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to a change other than the general plan.

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And less they can get you guys to agree to modify the general plan's land plan at the same time.

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Through them. And I might add, the state law requires a public process to develop a general plan.

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Okay, women, the scholars have everything up here.

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Okay, I've seen in the past where towns cities have come in with an area plan when they know if they have their shortcoming.

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on maybe they've got an older plan and they've got a short coming and now the market's opening up.

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There's more interest in growth and

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Chandler did this before in the head of General of Plan actually in place.

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They were in the planning process for the General of Plan.

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But they did their ERPART plan.

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It seems really got decommissioned and went to an ERPART authority because they were going to be in direct competition.

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So an area plan is not a general plan, it's a zone, well, we're creating a zone in history.

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Not a district, but a plan for a specific area.

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So that's part of a zoning process, which can be done.

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So in Mesa, we did an area plan for the area right next to Mesa Gateway Airport, right?

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And it's where you may have read about the dairy farmers who want to move out.

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So we did that area plan.

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The area plan doesn't change zoning.

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It simply sets a framework for city policy.

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Zoning is zoning.

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There's a legislative process that has to be followed to change zoning.

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All a plan does.

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It's like a public declaration of a community intent.

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It's a policy.

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And those policies can change, there is one plan, one type of plan in state law to override zoning.

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That's called a specific plan.

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It's in the same statute as a general plan.

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Specific plans have a specific adoption process.

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They have notification requirements.

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And they are separate from general plans.

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And it is only a specific plan that has more lymph than zoning.

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And that, if you adopted it, someone might want to argue 207.

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His story, overlay district, which has some real regulations with it.

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Someone might want to argue 207.

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All other plans are statements of community intent.

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It was a piece of paper policy that we had.

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Okay, Mr. Hughes.

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The general plan is a future look at what you would like it to be.

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It does not change any zoning just because of the domestic plan saving that we could have

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skyscrapers doesn't mean that you're going to, you can go in there and do a skyscraper,

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but you're zoning right now, what would mean is you can come back to the council at that point,

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say, hey, in the general plant shows this down the road, I would like to do that.

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And then it's in the plant and everybody agreed to it, so then the council would go, yes, that's perfect.

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That's what the general plant is for, but it doesn't change anybody's zoning, it's totally different than the plant.

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is a vision into the future and what the community would like to sleep at

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town like. It doesn't change anybody's zone that all night doesn't mean that you

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can, because it doesn't, you know, plant doesn't mean that you're going to have

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skyscrapers.

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Right.

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Because your zone is what it is right now.

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Okay.

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When you had.

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No.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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You said specific plan.

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I get confused because I've heard of strategic plans before.

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Not the same thing, okay.

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Yeah, so a specific plan is a legislative plan.

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It's in state law.

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General plan is in state law.

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I believe master plan is in state law.

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Typically, it applies to system plans like water.

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I think water may be in trend.

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I don't think you required even that a state transfer.

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So be a water plan would be a master plan, that's in state law.

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There is a redevelopment plan, that's in state law,

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but that doesn't change zoning.

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That's in accordance with a redevelopment area, but an area plan, a community plan, neighborhood

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plan, all of these are just policy documents.

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Yeah, because my understanding of an area plan is that the town decides they can initiate

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a policy that says that in the future we may want to allow this use, but you're still going

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to have to go through the zoning.

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I don't know what to live in. Absolutely.

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One out.

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See, three or whatever.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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All the area of the plant is a statement of policy.

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We're opening to the suggestion if you want to pay our filing fee for the paperwork.

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Yeah, and you know, the one thing I want to add to is just because the general plan says,

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I'll make up something.

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Let's see if you had an area of your community, which the general plan land is was residential for the eight units to the acre.

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and some guy came in with a seven unit to the acre project and it's crappy. You don't have to

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approve it. You know, you say, yeah, that's the density development we want, but we certainly

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don't want that kind of development. And you can deny it. So all it does is set of framework for

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decision making. They can come in enough. So they can, you can say, no, if it's the only reason

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the plan helps is if let's say they came in at 4 to 8 units the acre in that area and they

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wanted 15 units to the acre again depending on how your amendment process was structured so

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depending on the size the acreage and you could do other things like a from and a 2 is but depending

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on how that process was structured you could say well you know we think this is a really big

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influential development it impacts the character of the area pretty significantly it's not

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is the community to take a broader look. That's why they have a plan amendment process. It really

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takes it forces you to take a big look. It impacts, you know, let's say you bring in something

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that's specifically under what you anticipated or over. Let's say the town just invested in a sewer

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system. And some guy came in with 70 acres or 80 acres, at less than one unit to the acre and you

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plan for that to be a regular subdivision and the fees on that subdivision. We're going to help you

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in our plan either at that density. We need that higher density development to make our

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bond payments. So that's what a plan really helps you do. It makes you step back and think

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about the bigger implications.

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There's going to be a short follow-up. When I used to follow a lot of the planning stuff down

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the East Valley because it was like crazy town down there. And basically it was like, these people

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competing with these people or competing with these other people, and it's like they would

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do these, sometimes it wasn't even aeroplane, it would be like a sectional, because they

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wanted...

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If they heard a rumor that that guy was going to, if the other town was going to get a Walmart or something, they would change something so that it could go in their town.

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But it was still, it was a way of attracting business that may not have come there if the opportunity wasn't expressed in the policy statement from the town.

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That's one thing I've seen it, that's what I've understood it to be used for.

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Yes, yes, why I'm watching it, okay, that's that's been what Martin did today.

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Thank

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you.

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You going?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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What's up?

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Next.

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Oh, steering committee.

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The role of a steering committee.

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So, I've been told by staff that you've had a lot of discussion on the steering committee

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and how you want to move forward with that.

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And so I thought I would just talk a little bit about what their job is, and a lot of this

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information was taken from the center of law and justice. So I've, you know, tailored some of

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it to make sense to you, but it's sort of standard what a steering committee does. And really,

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their most important role is to make sure that the project is successful. But doesn't mean it's

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adopted. It means that the project is successful. It goes through the steps that was meant to go

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through it provides you with the information it was meant to provide you with.

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That's the job of this project.

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We're not saying the goal of this project is to have you update your plan,

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or not have you update your plan.

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The goal of this project is to give you the information to make that decision.

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That's our goal.

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So it's going to guide the steering committee guides the process from start to finish.

450
00:31:43,910 --> 00:31:49,230
And what that really means is I would hope somebody on the steering committee would say,

451
00:31:49,230 --> 00:31:53,530
look we did some work in eager and someone said you know you could have a meeting on Wednesday night,

452
00:31:53,970 --> 00:31:57,810
but Wednesday night the church has its study groups and no one's going to show up.

453
00:31:58,770 --> 00:32:02,870
So we didn't have our meeting someone's day night. So that was one helpful way of steering committee

454
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:11,310
helped us. They can give us information and history on topics. They provide input on the process

455
00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:17,350
and the strategies. So if for example I brought to the steering committee this approach for a public meeting

456
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:29,070
People might say, you know what, and again, this is not the case of do we humble, but in some of the areas I've worked, you know, 60% of our inhabitants don't speak English as a first language you need to translate it.

457
00:32:29,310 --> 00:32:33,070
So we would get a translator in it. So that's something that they could buy the song.

458
00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:42,590
They review and comment on our project product. So for example, one of the things that I'd mentioned is we're going to give you back all those comments we get from the community.

459
00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:53,490
I'd hope the steering committee would review and somewhat say, you know, my table was really wrapped around this topic and I don't really see you putting the right amount of emphasis on them. I'll say, oh, thanks for that help.

460
00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:59,190
Boom, so they review what we do and they make sure that it really reflects the community.

461
00:33:00,430 --> 00:33:04,670
And then they provide ideas and advice and negotiate unanticipated project challenges.

462
00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:10,230
So I don't know what those might be, but you know, if I could say to them, hey, you know,

463
00:33:10,350 --> 00:33:16,270
one of the biggest topics that the community meeting was the lack of a bike lane,

464
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:21,630
stripe bike lane on unpaid roads, I'm making up something crazy, you know, and someone might say,

465
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:26,110
yeah, you know, we have a really active bike community here. Maybe we need to reach out to them and

466
00:33:26,110 --> 00:33:30,270
have a special dialogue to see how we can get through that because obviously if you paint a bike

467
00:33:30,270 --> 00:33:35,910
I'm on paid road. It's going to wash off. So you know, but that's sort of what they can do.

468
00:33:36,050 --> 00:33:41,470
So that's partly their role. There really are what I call the first screen. Next slide.

469
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,800
So the typical composition of the steering committee are cyclists. People that are going to be

470
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,760
impacted by the plan. Anyone in your community, a resident, what I've learned is by ordinance. They

471
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,700
have to be residents, but maybe business owners that are residents, maybe people that work out of their homes,

472
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:01,580
people that operate businesses from their own property.

473
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,760
We're hoping that you would bring in some not-for-profit partners.

474
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,300
You know, those people will be impacted by your plan and you will impact them.

475
00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:13,220
The planning process is a great time to negotiate.

476
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,480
It's a way of making your concerns heard to those other entities and agencies.

477
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,200
And so, for example, if the BLM knows that open space is really, really important to you

478
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,680
and they hear that through the discussion of this plan.

479
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,000
And I'm not saying they will, but like in theory,

480
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,540
they went and traded off a whole bunch of P.O.E. is open space.

481
00:34:32,180 --> 00:34:34,540
You know, maybe that'll be something where the meeting,

482
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:35,480
if the B.L. and somebody says,

483
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:35,960
oh, you know what?

484
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,580
Do we help both?

485
00:34:36,740 --> 00:34:37,700
Don't even go near that topic.

486
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:39,720
They'll come after you like with tomatoes.

487
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:42,500
So it's just a good way of informing those agencies,

488
00:34:42,620 --> 00:34:43,960
and also implementers.

489
00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:45,620
So it puts them on the hook to say,

490
00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:47,220
hey, we're going to look at this topic,

491
00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:49,240
and we expect you're going to have a role in it.

492
00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:50,440
You know, you're going to help us.

493
00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:51,940
And it doesn't say what that role is,

494
00:34:52,060 --> 00:34:54,420
but it puts them on notice they're not off the hook.

495
00:34:54,620 --> 00:34:56,120
So that's some of the members

496
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,400
of a steering committee.

497
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,720
Ms Collins?

498
00:34:59,420 --> 00:35:00,880
I don't hear really good.

499
00:35:02,380 --> 00:35:04,560
We don't have an ordinance for this yet.

500
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,020
I think we're going to have one.

501
00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:10,760
We have to have a public participation plan for an ordinance that that got repealed.

502
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,980
We've got businesses, people that operate businesses here that don't live here.

503
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,500
They are allowed to participate.

504
00:35:21,540 --> 00:35:31,500
They non-residences can participate but can't vote on city citizen committees.

505
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:33,760
That's what your code says.

506
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,860
So, I mean, you're just stuck with that unless you want to change the code somehow.

507
00:35:41,540 --> 00:35:45,280
Well, you haven't decided if you'd have any voting happening in this way.

508
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:58,780
Well, you've got two choices given the code, council subcommittees and citizen committees,

509
00:35:59,420 --> 00:36:04,600
ad hoc committees, it tells you how to form them, and it tells you who can be members.

510
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:12,800
And yes, you can have people that are non-resident sitting there and even talking, but they can't vote.

511
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,920
Now, you know, that's, that's what it says currently,

512
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:22,200
okay?

513
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:23,480
Next.

514
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:34,350
So what's, what's, as a steering committee member, what would you expect a member to do?

515
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:39,410
What are your residents taking under responsibility or the commitment to do when they become a steering committee member?

516
00:36:40,050 --> 00:36:42,470
One, they need to understand what we're doing here.

517
00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:49,150
So everyone that sits on that steering committee has to recognize that we're not developing the plan in this process.

518
00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:55,190
We're looking at your current plan and determining how to move forward, and that doesn't mean you will move forward.

519
00:36:55,430 --> 00:37:02,350
It's asking the question, how do we want to move forward, or if we wanted to straight out, which is partly how to move forward.

520
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:07,990
They need to understand why it's important to them or the organization they might represent.

521
00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:18,450
And part of that is because certain times during committee members represent a point of view, and they need to understand the significance of the project to the point of view they represent.

522
00:37:18,910 --> 00:37:21,650
It's just not about you, it's about the larger community.

523
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:28,430
So for example, if you represent it, a homeowner's association, and your house wasn't near

524
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:35,970
the road, but part of your community was, and I'm making this up, but someone said, yeah,

525
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:40,610
one of the things we need to talk about is putting in a super highway, right here, that person

526
00:37:40,610 --> 00:37:43,770
needs to say, not say, well, my house is next to the road, I'm not going to worry about it,

527
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:47,450
because that's super highway, we'll benefit my business, they need to say, hey, wait a minute,

528
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:50,970
our homeowner's association would sit on that super highway.

529
00:37:51,210 --> 00:37:54,590
We need to think about it if that's something we want to talk about in the update.

530
00:37:56,290 --> 00:37:59,750
They really need to be genuinely interested in the project and the intended outcomes.

531
00:38:00,550 --> 00:38:04,890
People that just sit there so they can put stuff on their resume that doesn't help us.

532
00:38:04,930 --> 00:38:10,130
I've had those kinds of committees and the problem is bad info in, bad info out.

533
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:12,370
You really do want to hear from your community.

534
00:38:12,910 --> 00:38:17,410
And then the last thing is to be a project advocate by doing what they can to promote its output.

535
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:22,310
So one of the things I would hope steering committee members do is talk about the plan.

536
00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:31,330
I encourage people to attend the public meeting when we bring to you the ultimate kind of findings of the steering committee for you to act.

537
00:38:31,590 --> 00:38:33,490
Maybe community members might want to show up.

538
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:37,670
Maybe they might want to show up at the steering committee meetings in Cass Grande.

539
00:38:37,890 --> 00:38:40,610
What we do is we have a public comment period for the steering committee.

540
00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:45,650
people get up and they talk. And it, you know, it educates everybody. So again, we want

541
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:49,670
to hear from the community as much as possible. We want to design this so as many people

542
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:53,450
as possible get to have a voice. So that's the role of the members.

543
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:56,450
Okay, next.

544
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:59,890
Okay, so now I'm

545
00:38:59,890 --> 00:39:04,750
going to just move to kind of best practices for general plan updates. This is something staff

546
00:39:04,750 --> 00:39:10,410
asked me to look at. And this isn't best practices for the process necessarily. But this is

547
00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:17,630
If you're going to do a general plan, if you're going to update your general plan, what are some of the things you might want to think about? What are some of the best practices?

548
00:39:18,370 --> 00:39:24,950
And I did some review on the internet and looked around and pulled these some of the variety of communities across the country.

549
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:30,690
They're all pretty much the same to be honest. One of the most important best practices is to engage the community.

550
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:36,810
If you don't have a plan that reflects your community, you don't have a plan that your community will support.

551
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:39,570
And your plan talks about important things.

552
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:41,490
It will talk about future land uses.

553
00:39:42,250 --> 00:39:44,250
It might talk about your transportation system,

554
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:47,430
your parks and recreation system, economic development

555
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:47,890
objectives.

556
00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:50,350
You want your community to support that.

557
00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:53,670
So you don't want to have to fight every time you make a decision.

558
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:56,610
The plan really needs to think about when it looks

559
00:39:56,610 --> 00:39:58,450
to the future, what's changing.

560
00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:00,310
And our world is changing.

561
00:40:00,490 --> 00:40:03,470
And so here's a list of some of the things that typically

562
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:06,570
the plans look at, the democracy, the demographics,

563
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:09,510
demographics, mobility, the economy, the environment,

564
00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:12,250
and healthy living, which is becoming predominant,

565
00:40:12,250 --> 00:40:13,990
almost every single thing we do.

566
00:40:14,830 --> 00:40:16,810
The plan needs to communicate effectively.

567
00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:19,510
How do you make that plan available to people?

568
00:40:20,090 --> 00:40:21,950
And how do you make that the products

569
00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:24,530
of the planning process available to your community?

570
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:29,250
The other thing is the plan really needs to think big.

571
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:31,110
Nothing is perfect.

572
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:33,030
And if we don't really think big,

573
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:36,450
then we're not going to get anywhere. If we think small, we're going to end up with small.

574
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:41,570
And so really, what's the big picture that we're going for here? And then also consider what's

575
00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:45,350
possible in the short and hidden long term, because when you think big, you have to get their

576
00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:50,190
journey as a thousand steps. You got to take the first few steps. That short term. What do we have

577
00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:55,090
control of now? And that goes back to setting the path, making sure the door stay open. What

578
00:40:55,090 --> 00:41:00,130
we're going to do in the short term to make sure we don't close out opportunities for our community

579
00:41:00,130 --> 00:41:03,730
in the long term. That's really the benefit of applying. Next slide.

580
00:41:04,990 --> 00:41:08,450
So here are just some of the things that you might want to think about in these areas.

581
00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:11,750
Community engagement. You want to make sure all generations are involved.

582
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:14,730
A lot of processes we do reach after schools.

583
00:41:16,210 --> 00:41:18,430
A lot of ways we get to parents are through schools.

584
00:41:19,330 --> 00:41:23,550
Considering underrepresented population, I remember hearing, I think it was you Council and Council

585
00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:27,990
and Council talked about folks that might be shut-ins or might not be able to access the process.

586
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:31,370
Those are underrepresented populations. How do we get to them?

587
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:35,330
People that might not feel comfortable interacting with government. How do we get to them?

588
00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:38,250
And we want to provide multiple opportunities and avenues.

589
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:41,950
Some people don't read that well. Some people may not be computer-literate.

590
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:43,630
Some people might want to be in public.

591
00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:46,550
So you've got to provide everybody a chance to have their say.

592
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:49,070
That's part of the community engagement. Next.

593
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:50,310
There's college.

594
00:41:50,730 --> 00:41:52,510
I just don't want to forget this.

595
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:58,450
somebody asked me to mention it. As far as the wide community engagement and widespread engagement

596
00:41:58,450 --> 00:42:06,990
we're doing a computer based, an info I realized because we have not got the money to do a proper one,

597
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:10,790
but I'm getting incoming on that like it would not believe.

598
00:42:11,170 --> 00:42:16,930
There's a lot of ways we can address that. I threw out Survey Monkey because it's easy,

599
00:42:17,110 --> 00:42:21,150
but that doesn't mean that's your only venue. A lot of communities what they'll do

600
00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:25,010
They'll print out the survey monkey survey and you leave it at places all around town.

601
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:27,250
If you want, you can print the survey in the newspaper.

602
00:42:28,410 --> 00:42:32,670
Just because it's available on survey monkey doesn't mean it's not available in other venues

603
00:42:32,670 --> 00:42:33,890
and in other formats.

604
00:42:34,450 --> 00:42:35,750
And typically we do do that.

605
00:42:36,110 --> 00:42:40,990
So I think if someone's nervous that they're not going to have access to it on a computer

606
00:42:40,990 --> 00:42:44,110
or on their smartphone, they can get hard-cocketed.

607
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:49,550
I think the last survey the town did, they found out that 50% of the people that live here

608
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:51,790
They're being telephoned. It's still wet, right?

609
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:57,330
Yeah. So we are a lot of white people. I know, don't like it.

610
00:42:57,570 --> 00:42:59,230
Oh, I'm just too hard copy for them.

611
00:42:59,890 --> 00:43:03,190
I guess it's changed now itself. Yeah. Mr. Hughes.

612
00:43:04,930 --> 00:43:07,250
We internet monkey.

613
00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:09,490
They're monkey. They're monkey.

614
00:43:09,490 --> 00:43:15,170
Okay, okay. We can people just write down on a piece of paper

615
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:18,090
what they want and they don't want them to have it.

616
00:43:18,090 --> 00:43:23,850
and say, say, look at noncommunication or no electrons, so it's easy to even put them in the

617
00:43:23,850 --> 00:43:29,330
mail or bring it to that. I mean, the one thing I would say is that we're going to do a survey.

618
00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:33,110
I mean, because that's, you know, we have to be able to analyze the results. But also,

619
00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:38,650
if people just have comments and thoughts and ideas, they can be any way that we have. And it'll

620
00:43:38,650 --> 00:43:42,670
get in there. I think one of the things we were talking about with the steering committee is maybe

621
00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:47,510
There is a way of creating a part of the agenda

622
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:49,390
and maybe if it's a community comment part

623
00:43:49,390 --> 00:43:51,910
where if people just have comments for the amount,

624
00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:54,090
you know, about it, just general comments

625
00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:56,350
or are you gonna think about making sure the clouds

626
00:43:56,350 --> 00:43:57,230
are out on Tuesday.

627
00:43:57,730 --> 00:44:00,110
We can just put that into a topical area

628
00:44:00,110 --> 00:44:01,870
and just let the committee, the steering committee,

629
00:44:01,890 --> 00:44:03,390
see that and talk about it.

630
00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:05,330
Yeah, we think it's important we deal with clouds coming out

631
00:44:05,330 --> 00:44:06,590
on Tuesday in the plan.

632
00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:09,130
Yeah, we can do that, sure.

633
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:10,250
Next.

634
00:44:10,770 --> 00:44:15,170
So here is some of the other kind of trends and you may agree with them or not, I'm just

635
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:16,770
putting them out there, okay?

636
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:17,870
Demographics.

637
00:44:18,850 --> 00:44:22,530
One of the things that as planners we look at is the millennials.

638
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:25,590
They are changing what we buy and how we live.

639
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:31,570
They are going to be, they are the largest adult generation in the US and they are more

640
00:44:31,570 --> 00:44:37,270
educated, they are much more racially diverse and they get older before they have families.

641
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:44,930
They really are changing how we live, and then in addition to that, we are rapidly aging.

642
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:49,110
So we've got this big millennial population and this big older population.

643
00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:53,090
We need to think about both of those things in terms of how people get around.

644
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:55,050
And you guys are all relatively blessed.

645
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:56,210
You can drive.

646
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:59,950
I can tell you my stepmom who's 86 can drive.

647
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
I do not like it. And she's beginning to uber more and more and more and I'm thrilled. Also, our communities are getting more urban. And that doesn't mean you have to get urban. But what I think is important to think about is your Prescott Valley knocking on your door. You have the town of Prescott. And you have Phoenix, which is going to grow. So what that means is the best way I can explain it is. 20 years ago, the East Valley, which you're really familiar with, wasn't as far to say.

648
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,020
the east is it is now, right, Queen Creek wasn't even anything. Well, what has that done?

649
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,820
That's impacted the housing market in globe. And now globe is looking at subdivisions,

650
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:47,680
because it's now only 35 minutes from the East Valley. So it's just something to think about.

651
00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:54,140
And as our communities get more urban and get more dense, we feel that more, the same with Cape

652
00:45:55,240 --> 00:46:06,740
the next topic is next slide mobility mobility is a huge one. So I said to these guys, you know, my

653
00:46:06,740 --> 00:46:13,020
car is 10 years old and I cannot bring myself to buy new car because technology changes so fast that I know that it's

654
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:18,300
going to be self-driving in two years. I've just figured it out. As you know, there are self-driving cars that bring people to

655
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:19,800
in the morning in Chandler.

656
00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:22,180
How that's going to affect our communities

657
00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:23,260
and how we live.

658
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,080
You can't even imagine.

659
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:28,320
Uber and Lyft is ubiquitous.

660
00:46:29,180 --> 00:46:30,540
I'm sure you have Uber and Lyft here.

661
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,160
It means people may not need car assessments,

662
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,880
which means that's going to change our development books.

663
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:38,140
Car ownership is declining.

664
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,100
Younger people are not buying getting licenses

665
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:45,080
at the same rate as they were 10 and 20 years ago,

666
00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:47,040
which means if you want to have a community

667
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,900
that's going to bring in a younger generation if you want to sell your house so that your

668
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:57,340
children can either have the proceeds or you'll be able to sell it and put it into your retirement

669
00:46:57,340 --> 00:47:01,440
account whatever you want to do that you need to make sure someone wants to move here and the way

670
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,340
they're going to move here as you have a truck community they want to live in and who's going to

671
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:09,140
move here a millennial and what is a millennial one they want a cool hit place where they can walk

672
00:47:09,140 --> 00:47:12,740
they don't it doesn't have to be the whole community but there needs to be that place where they

673
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:16,860
can do that and they don't want to have to drive the press kit to do it so that's something

674
00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:22,560
think about with your community. We can stay the way we are or we can begin to make small changes

675
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:28,560
that are going to continue to keep our community marketable. People, the distance driving by people

676
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:34,760
has decreased and that's important to think about too because your commercial right now is what

677
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:41,660
I would call a drive by commercial but if people driving decrease, if more people stay in their

678
00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:43,380
the community, stay in the urban areas,

679
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,300
you're gonna have to begin to grow your own market as well.

680
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:48,120
So again, something to think about.

681
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,060
You may disagree with me, just things to think about.

682
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,480
Next one, the economy.

683
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,700
That's sort of the same attached to mobility.

684
00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:57,560
You're gonna have millennials

685
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:58,900
which are half the workforce,

686
00:47:59,340 --> 00:48:01,680
and they like to work from home or work remotely.

687
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:03,320
So what does that mean?

688
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,300
They have to have be wired.

689
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,080
And you have to have good wireless communications.

690
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,580
That affects your right of way,

691
00:48:10,580 --> 00:48:11,900
that affects your roadways.

692
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,500
Collaboration is key to the workforce of the future.

693
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:17,400
The reason I put that there is, you know,

694
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,760
Phoenix is riddled with co-work spaces,

695
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,120
but it's also, if you go to any coffee shop

696
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,900
and Phoenix at any time a day,

697
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,820
I would say half the seats are filled

698
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:27,000
with folks on their computers

699
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:27,800
and they're working.

700
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,040
They are working, they're on the phone,

701
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,960
they're working, they're producing product.

702
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,460
So that collaborative space that you can have,

703
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,140
I was reading an amagazine

704
00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:39,820
that the new workspace of the future, you don't have a desk.

705
00:48:39,820 --> 00:48:47,180
You come in with your computer and your briefcase, you find a workspace, you sit down, if you collaborate, you go to a special room and you leave.

706
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,840
There is no kind of permanent place, your permanent place is your home.

707
00:48:51,860 --> 00:48:56,320
And technology and data are going to be key drivers of that. So again, it's just something to think about.

708
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,320
So climate is another big one.

709
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:08,400
This is from the EPA and NOAA and they get a little thing on Arizona and how climate change affects Arizona.

710
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,300
It's no packs to creasing, there's less water, precipitation, decreased, and higher temperatures.

711
00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:15,580
And what does that really mean?

712
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,160
It means we're going to have water problems.

713
00:49:17,580 --> 00:49:18,520
And I don't need to tell you this.

714
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:19,400
We've already got them.

715
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,440
Casting one day, the other community.

716
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,340
I'm working in on a general plan dealing with it every single day.

717
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:27,580
It's a driver of growth and development right now.

718
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:30,540
So they're out of permits, and then they're compensation.

719
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,800
So you just saw in the paper today, they want to start monitoring all the wells in the state

720
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,180
to see what groundwater we're pulling out.

721
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,800
I think that's something important to think about.

722
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:43,700
And again, the kind of development

723
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:48,300
that we have impacts, our climate, and impacts our water use.

724
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,740
So we just need to think about that next.

725
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,960
And the other thing is health, built in fire.

726
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,800
This is from the urban land institute.

727
00:49:56,820 --> 00:49:58,420
Urban land institute, by the way,

728
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,140
is an organization of developers.

729
00:50:00,860 --> 00:50:02,620
And I am sure that you know that developers

730
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:07,220
do not like to spend anything extra on their projects so they don't like to put in walking

731
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:10,520
pass, they don't like to put in parks, they don't like to put in shade and streetscapes

732
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:16,320
because all that cost them money. However, this document basically says we need trails,

733
00:50:16,540 --> 00:50:20,780
we need places to walk, we need sidewalks. I was driving around today and there was a

734
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:24,260
dad and there's something I like walking in the road because there's no paved shoulder.

735
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:28,700
You know, they don't want to get mud up to their knees and it's dangerous. The road is narrow,

736
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:33,720
it was late in the day. Things like that to think about. How do we make our community healthier,

737
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,340
more walkable, more accessible? How do we provide more parks? You have some cute parks,

738
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:44,140
but how do we get more people to them? Should we be doing things with our river? So things like that

739
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:49,720
are to think about in terms of health. And I think that's it. So those are some of the planning

740
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:53,620
consideration best practices, and I'm happy to answer any questions.

741
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:03,860
Okay, we're a demographics, you know, unless we do some kind of survey, we're not

742
00:51:03,860 --> 00:51:05,840
going to know what the hell is going to happen.

743
00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:10,540
So we have Rick Merritt on our team and Rick, I love Rick, because he does our demographics.

744
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:14,980
You're right right now, you're working, especially since you're a small community.

745
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,740
You're working from 2010.

746
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:23,220
I haven't contacted the Avapai MPO yet, and it's the Avapai, right County MPO, to see what

747
00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:24,660
they have in terms of projections.

748
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,620
I'm guessing that your transportation plan

749
00:51:27,620 --> 00:51:29,400
can only go on might have done some more.

750
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:32,640
There's American Community Survey, but Rick can do.

751
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,280
A lot of Rick uses a lot of techniques,

752
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,440
like he looks to comparable community growth rates.

753
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,520
Sometimes, you know, communities just do this.

754
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,500
Sometimes they hit a point where they go like that.

755
00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:41,840
Sometimes they go like that.

756
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:43,760
So he can help build those,

757
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,080
and we're going to rely on him to help us do that.

758
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,000
It's unfortunately before the census, so we're stuck.

759
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,020
Yeah, you know, let's do it.

760
00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:56,680
I suggest in doing a grammar graphic study for the area, and the council said, well, let's

761
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,380
just wait for the census, so that's going to be another two years before we get it.

762
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:03,500
I think we'll be able to get close.

763
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:06,480
Rick is usually pretty good on the MPL, so usually pretty good.

764
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,600
So I don't think we'll be totally, you know, worth the charts, we'll see.

765
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:12,420
Ms. Collins?

766
00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:18,900
On the back in December, when we were going over, I guess there were some suggestions about some

767
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:24,820
elements and what I remember in one of them was a housing element. I have put

768
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:30,440
them a couple of people in the community that are, um, apparently smarter than me

769
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:36,820
because I missed it. Um, they actually went and read the statute and, and the statute

770
00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:41,780
is a housing element consisting of standards and programs for the elimination of

771
00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:55,020
sub-standard-rolling conditions. People here have paid live comfortably and they, this is like

772
00:52:55,020 --> 00:53:01,280
a no-go zone. So the housing element typically, the elimination of sub-standard housing

773
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:08,000
conditions, what that really has morphed into in current plans is affordability. And typically,

774
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:24,460
what we'll do is look at housing affordability, and a lot of times, and this will be helpful if you choose to do it, you may not, but it gives you an idea of saying, you know, 60% of our community, I'll pick a number, I'm sure it's not that high,

775
00:53:24,460 --> 00:53:32,620
spending more than 60% of their income on housing and that really points out important

776
00:53:32,620 --> 00:53:38,360
things to your community. It might point out that you want to work with folks to bring in more

777
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:45,120
affordable housing. It might say, you know, maybe we need to create other kinds of housing types

778
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,860
like tiny homes where people can more easily afford it or denser communities where

779
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:53,580
You know, developers can make more of their land value.

780
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,920
I don't think you have development fees here,

781
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,420
but, you know, if your community with development fees,

782
00:53:58,540 --> 00:54:00,080
you might take a look at your development fees

783
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,220
and say maybe we need to consider fee waivers

784
00:54:02,220 --> 00:54:05,000
if you'll provide a certain percentage of affordable housing.

785
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,040
I cannot tell you what an issue this is becoming for our state,

786
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:15,380
and especially in an older community when people have fixed incomes,

787
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,080
housing affordability is a key issue.

788
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:29,420
It's key. So again, I'm not saying it's something you will consider in your plan, but if it's something that comes up through the public process, we would probably bring that up to you.

789
00:54:30,340 --> 00:54:41,040
We could also put that under a neighborhood stabilization revitalization element, or you could just say we're going to create an affordable housing element, or you could deal with it under land use all up to you.

790
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,000
Ms. Collins?

791
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:47,140
The thing that I noticed when I look at our zoning code as far as affordable housing goes

792
00:54:47,140 --> 00:54:56,440
as exclusionary zoning, site built, site built, site built, minimum, a loud, sorry,

793
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:58,760
you know, you're not allowed to go low, you're not allowed to go low.

794
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,640
We're going to a certain split, we're going to have a thing which is crazy.

795
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,120
I like the little tiny houses.

796
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:15,400
But the other thing too is we've got plastic valley building apartments like crazy and I've

797
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,960
read all their history on that and they were like oh yeah we're going to make them affordable.

798
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:21,640
They're luxury apartments.

799
00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:29,320
One thousand, one thousand, one thousand, one hundred and twelve dollars or something for

800
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,740
six hundred or seventy.

801
00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:31,820
Where are you?

802
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,920
That's not affordable.

803
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:33,540
That's not affordable.

804
00:55:33,540 --> 00:55:33,660
I agree.

805
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,140
That houses up here that you can get on an acre of it.

806
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:37,860
Not houses.

807
00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:42,240
But, you know, small, single-wide trailers, which we have banned.

808
00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:46,160
So, you know, it was that's another problem with affordable housing.

809
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:51,140
If we allow people to buy affordable housing, then that kind of takes care of some of that

810
00:55:51,940 --> 00:56:02,020
And one of the things a plan can do is it's obviously not going to change your code because it's not a zoning code, but it could maybe have a policy that says exam and strategies to promote affordable housing.

811
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:12,280
So then that gives you as a council, you've adopted that formally away to say to your staff, hey, you know what you guys, let's follow through on this plan strategy.

812
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,960
Start examining some strategies, get to work on it.

813
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,880
And then the law also requires annually that staff come back and report to you on planned implementation.

814
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:25,480
So at the end of the year, you might want to say, hey, where are you on that normal housing strategy?

815
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:27,580
Well, you'll have to give your report.

816
00:56:28,780 --> 00:56:33,800
So, you know, it's just, again, it's a framework for what you want in the future of your community.

817
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:38,900
Uh,

818
00:56:41,130 --> 00:56:42,650
no, no, no, okay.

819
00:56:42,810 --> 00:56:44,030
I'm just going to get another question.

820
00:56:44,030 --> 00:56:47,590
I've got people asking me stuff, so I promise I'd ask it.

821
00:56:47,610 --> 00:56:48,690
Lay them on me.

822
00:56:48,690 --> 00:56:57,030
Um, this has to do with, um, you know, accessibility for computers and things like that.

823
00:56:57,030 --> 00:57:00,850
And I noticed in the contract, there was, in the discussion about the contract.

824
00:57:00,990 --> 00:57:09,270
There was a lot of references to digital format, um, I am not a computer version, everything

825
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:10,250
knows that.

826
00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:14,150
When I print out clean creeps, digital things, it's not readable.

827
00:57:14,350 --> 00:57:15,670
I can't even read it online.

828
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:20,190
I don't know how the Queen Creek did a different approach.

829
00:57:20,330 --> 00:57:28,410
Queen Creek has a printed executive summary, and they did not want a printed plan.

830
00:57:29,150 --> 00:57:30,450
They didn't want to bear with the cost.

831
00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:33,790
However, what we can do for everything is online.

832
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:39,690
So what we will give you, regardless, is a digit of PDF, exactly correct.

833
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:43,650
I speak PDF, and you can get a PDF, that's fine.

834
00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:48,550
No, that's fine. We'll give you a PDF, but that's what digital means. It's just something we could put on.

835
00:57:49,350 --> 00:57:50,450
Yeah, no worries.

836
00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:51,710
No worries.

837
00:57:51,730 --> 00:57:54,530
I had one other thing.

838
00:57:55,390 --> 00:58:02,430
Some people, I did a lot of petition collecting for signatures when the election was going on three years ago.

839
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:06,490
And I actually took page one of the index of our general plan.

840
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:12,030
And it's got terms like circulation element and it's not straightforward English.

841
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:15,930
I have one guy asked me where the code ring was.

842
00:58:17,530 --> 00:58:20,410
So I would like to see a plain English type.

843
00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:24,170
And if you have to call it a circulation plan, put it in parentheses.

844
00:58:24,850 --> 00:58:27,190
Like roads circulation.

845
00:58:27,830 --> 00:58:30,150
That's a great common and I really appreciate them.

846
00:58:30,450 --> 00:58:33,370
So since you have that last plan, the world has changed.

847
00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:38,190
Typically plans now group the elements and things like our community.

848
00:58:38,490 --> 00:58:41,030
That might be land use, open space and circulation.

849
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:44,110
Our economy might be economics on housing.

850
00:58:44,770 --> 00:58:47,130
People take a lot of leeway with the elements.

851
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:50,810
I think that this point, as long as you meet the intent of the element,

852
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:53,270
it's good and as long as you really have a land use element,

853
00:58:53,470 --> 00:58:56,230
and a land use map, and a circulation map,

854
00:58:56,330 --> 00:58:58,070
those are kind of the key things in a plan.

855
00:59:00,910 --> 00:59:04,170
So now the new word for circulation is mobility,

856
00:59:05,330 --> 00:59:07,530
but we could just call it transportation.

857
00:59:07,530 --> 00:59:14,430
I was looking at, I remember who, but I actually saw one online that actually insisted elements of the chapters.

858
00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:16,770
And you can change it to chapters.

859
00:59:17,350 --> 00:59:19,870
A lot of, again, old school kind of moving forward.

860
00:59:20,170 --> 00:59:20,350
Right.

861
00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:21,190
Exactly right.

862
00:59:21,290 --> 00:59:22,790
So that's our goal.

863
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:26,990
So what we would probably bring forward to at the end of this six month or eight month or whatever,

864
00:59:27,150 --> 00:59:29,070
it ends up being that this assessment process.

865
00:59:29,330 --> 00:59:31,830
When I, we bring forward the outline of the plan.

866
00:59:32,070 --> 00:59:36,950
Again, with your community steering committee looking at saying, hey, I don't understand what, you know,

867
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:41,830
our mental sustainability means could you translate that? We'll bring you an outline that

868
00:59:41,830 --> 00:59:47,510
that community and that committee feels makes sense. You can change it anyway you want. Again,

869
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:51,370
it's just us listening to you trying to bring forward what matters. So those are great questions

870
00:59:51,370 --> 00:59:59,970
and I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. They did a good job. Give them a

871
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,960
They can go to the library or they can come here and look at it. You know, reality, more people get in computers,

872
01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:20,000
more people are computer literate and the older people, maybe over 80, wouldn't be computer literate.

873
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:26,980
But we're all computer literate. So yeah, no, I think that most people can use a computer.

874
01:00:26,980 --> 01:00:29,960
And the only thing I worry about with a plan on the cell phone

875
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,980
is it's hard to see, but again, that's why we tend

876
01:00:33,980 --> 01:00:35,380
to try to make them more graphic.

877
01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:39,540
But you can always increase the size of your phone.

878
01:00:39,980 --> 01:00:41,000
You absolutely can.

879
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:42,480
On your cell phone.

880
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,480
Or in your computer.

881
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:44,560
Anything else?

882
01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:46,040
Yeah.

883
01:00:46,260 --> 01:00:48,100
And again, those are decisions you'll make.

884
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,920
Kind of, you know, as we get there.

885
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:52,340
So those are all your decisions.

886
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,300
How do most of them stick there?

887
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,340
You're into me.

888
01:00:55,940 --> 01:00:59,980
different processes. Good year put out a call for interest and they interviewed.

889
01:01:02,340 --> 01:01:03,200
Queen Creek

890
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:09,140
did not have one. We just went to the Planning Commission every month. Casa Grande had one

891
01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:12,980
that was appointed by the Council and the mayor. They didn't interview. They just appointed

892
01:01:12,980 --> 01:01:18,900
to ask people. And there is about the same with the good years. It was about 25 people but

893
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:21,740
included the tribes, it includes federal agencies,

894
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,660
it includes not-for-profits, let's see,

895
01:01:25,780 --> 01:01:27,020
who else has stepped out so many.

896
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,300
Eegers, we just dealt with the planning commission,

897
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:32,760
trying to go back.

898
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:39,460
We'll head city, I think we dealt with a subcommittee, maybe.

899
01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:41,240
It's across the board.

900
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:44,700
Yeah.

901
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:46,580
Don't communities don't even have them.

902
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:47,100
Yeah,

903
01:01:55,110 --> 01:01:56,530
okay, any other questions?

904
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:01,060
Thank you.

905
01:02:01,060 --> 01:02:06,380
Good one question. Yeah, Mr. Mortimer. Thank you.

906
01:02:06,420 --> 01:02:08,020
No, sorry. No, you're fine. You're fine.

907
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:11,060
Yeah, you get it. Get up to the court. Yeah.

908
01:02:11,340 --> 01:02:13,100
So I have two questions.

909
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:14,560
Yeah.

910
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:16,340
For the record.

911
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:17,100
Okay.

912
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:20,040
No problem. Gary Mortimer, Mortimer Farms.

913
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:21,120
And I,

914
01:02:22,540 --> 01:02:23,880
Residential Pike out.

915
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,660
So one, I'll ask both questions and I'll set that down.

916
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:36,140
So, the one an opportunity to sit down with a mayor of another town, and I don't know how this can come up in the meeting,

917
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:45,860
but they were saying a lot of the residents were opposed to a Walmart or a big box going into their town, and they said,

918
01:02:45,860 --> 01:02:50,900
Okay, well, what if we move the box to the edge of town,

919
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,160
does that impact you?

920
01:02:52,580 --> 01:02:55,820
And then all of a sudden, the whole attitude changed

921
01:02:55,820 --> 01:02:58,360
because they were like, okay, it's not right.

922
01:02:58,820 --> 01:03:00,020
Not right in my backyard.

923
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:02,600
Press kit would be a good example.

924
01:03:02,820 --> 01:03:07,200
They had the big boxes are kind of out of the downtown area.

925
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,120
So that would be a good example.

926
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:12,600
So I don't know how that is addressed in this whole planning.

927
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,300
And then the second thing is, is how do we align

928
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:22,600
we come in here and whoever's running this and say,

929
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,320
okay, we want, you know, we want multifamily,

930
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,420
we want subdivisions, we want, you know,

931
01:03:27,860 --> 01:03:32,520
this growth in our area, and how do we align

932
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,920
the availability of water that was one of your topics?

933
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,880
I mean, we can have all these plans and say, you know,

934
01:03:39,940 --> 01:03:42,080
we've got this area, we've got this area,

935
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:49,460
this area to do these subdivisions or bigger developments, but if we don't have a water to

936
01:03:49,460 --> 01:03:55,120
do it, then it can be in the plan, but it will never come to fruition because we don't have

937
01:03:55,620 --> 01:03:59,160
the availability of water. So those are my two questions. Thank you.

938
01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:03,740
Those are great questions. Thank you. I'll start with the water one first and all the back to Walmart

939
01:04:03,740 --> 01:04:09,060
research works. So the state statute requires not for you because you're not big enough, but it does

940
01:04:09,060 --> 01:04:13,500
have the option for you to have a water element where you have to identify how you're going to

941
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:19,560
provide supplies of water for the development identified in the plant. And so when we did

942
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,820
we did Gilbert they went and bought water from the grid and they put it in the plant,

943
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:31,260
we're going to go buy water from the grid. But I think what's so great that you brought up is

944
01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:37,620
yeah, how are we going to do that? Passagrande basically is thinking you know maybe we're going to

945
01:04:37,620 --> 01:04:42,640
because of the way the law works is you don't need a certificate of a short supply if it's

946
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,400
not a subdivision, right?

947
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,660
So you could build an apartment complex, you don't need a certificate, so you can build and

948
01:04:48,660 --> 01:04:52,800
you have water, so they're promoting in, so that's how they want to handle growth.

949
01:04:53,740 --> 01:04:55,700
They haven't solved the problem in another way.

950
01:04:56,540 --> 01:05:03,680
So I think for you guys, and I guess the water is obviously an issue, that's I think part

951
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,920
the discussion as we move forward in the plan. For the assessment process, we might look at

952
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:14,140
your current plan and say, hey, does your plan really think about water? And so when we move

953
01:05:14,140 --> 01:05:18,280
that forward, we'll say, you know, here's a gap in your current plan. It's not thinking about water.

954
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,860
People have identified this as an issue. This is something you want to deal with and put in your

955
01:05:22,860 --> 01:05:29,400
plan in the future. And again, it's not a regulation that you have to do it, but it can outline options

956
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:38,660
for you to look at. So that's how it align. The second question is Walmart. So plan

957
01:05:38,660 --> 01:05:44,940
to policy. And so for example, let's say you had two commercial way to be

958
01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:48,460
category. And again, this is in the plan part. We're not in the assessment

959
01:05:48,460 --> 01:05:53,640
part now. This is when you're doing your plan. And this is a kid creek actually

960
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:58,680
did this in their plan. Almost identical story. You know, right on a kid creek road is

961
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:03,740
quarter of Kate Creek and Walmart is a money tree, right?

962
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,720
I mean, anybody would be blunt for Walmart, especially in

963
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:07,400
Kate Creek Road.

964
01:06:08,340 --> 01:06:10,920
And what Kate Creek decided to do is they said,

965
01:06:11,220 --> 01:06:12,980
within our town, off Kate Creek Road,

966
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,560
this is the complexion of the commercial we want.

967
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,940
It can't be bigger than this many square feet.

968
01:06:18,060 --> 01:06:19,760
It can't be taller than this.

969
01:06:20,100 --> 01:06:23,580
It can't have parking lots that are larger than XYZ.

970
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,120
But in this little area of our town, we think

971
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,780
that kind of stuff is a great idea.

972
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,260
And so that's the guidance that the plan gives to zoning.

973
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,840
So now if you want to look at your plan and someone comes in with a Walmart,

974
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:37,920
let's say, right here, you may or may not like it.

975
01:06:38,020 --> 01:06:39,560
Like any fancy, you know?

976
01:06:39,700 --> 01:06:42,960
Our plan doesn't really say this is the kind of development we want.

977
01:06:43,340 --> 01:06:46,420
But let's say it's 10 years in the future and you think, hey, this is great development.

978
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:47,400
You could approve it anyway.

979
01:06:47,660 --> 01:06:48,500
It's within the plan.

980
01:06:49,060 --> 01:06:51,520
But the policies can give you some decision making guidance.

981
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:52,820
So that's how that happened.

982
01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:53,800
Thank you for that.

983
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:54,320
Sure.

984
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:56,600
Okay Miss Collins.

985
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,580
We do have a water element, services element.

986
01:07:01,460 --> 01:07:06,720
We've got a math in there that shows the water providers to private companies.

987
01:07:07,460 --> 01:07:13,240
It has some zero geographic information, a row of names or anything like that.

988
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,980
And since then, I have also found out that it might have gotten

989
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:20,100
the biggest one might have gotten bigger with the area services.

990
01:07:20,980 --> 01:07:24,820
So that's one thing that I've been asked by some people that have actually been

991
01:07:24,820 --> 01:07:31,420
They look at these things because they're trying to figure out a head of time what it means to them, and it's like they're saying where is this thing?

992
01:07:32,900 --> 01:07:37,600
And it's like, oh, yeah, I think I know where the boundaries are now, and so somebody tells me it grew

993
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:46,860
So I just want to make sure that does get updated and the other thing I had is that I want to make sure we do not overlook this we actually do have

994
01:07:46,860 --> 01:07:53,860
you mentioned the store stuff. We actually do have a local historic area map. It's on the link

995
01:07:53,860 --> 01:08:02,920
on that margin on the website and if you click on maps, that's one of the maps that's on there.

996
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:10,620
It's a local historic area. It's not a formal district. It's not got all of the federalized rules

997
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:15,500
and you can't change to this. You have to paint it that in a sort of thing. It's more of a

998
01:08:16,860 --> 01:08:23,140
thing that says that we've got historically valuable things that happened here and we've

999
01:08:23,140 --> 01:08:27,200
got buildings that mattered to us. And I just want, I don't know where we would put it.

1000
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,020
Oh, you could put it in the plan as a historic element with policies that guide how you want

1001
01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:37,580
to put that area. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to over look at it.

1002
01:08:37,580 --> 01:08:38,280
So I won't be.

1003
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:47,790
All right. Any other questions? Very enough. We thank you for your time. Thank you.

1004
01:08:47,790 --> 01:08:48,630
I'm

1005
01:08:57,020 --> 01:08:58,980
going to go ahead and I'm 4B,

1006
01:09:01,980 --> 01:09:04,940
which I'm about updating the land use element for developing

1007
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:12,340
a south-to-toe humble area plan prior to the general planning of the day due to the risk

1008
01:09:12,340 --> 01:09:17,560
of losing the opportunity of attracting commercial users in the area to the south-to-third

1009
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,120
street by waiting for the general plan update in this council.

1010
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:26,180
Well, if our general plan is going to take three years because of funding, how will we

1011
01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:33,020
I just want to get it out there so that I was under the impression that we weren't having

1012
01:09:33,020 --> 01:09:39,140
any buddy looking up here for new commercial because there's like three long works and it's like

1013
01:09:39,140 --> 01:09:45,560
they sucked all the air out sort of thing. Now we've got Winco in an article in the paper looking

1014
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:51,700
so maybe there's other people looking but I just wanted people to look at that and think about it

1015
01:09:51,700 --> 01:09:57,220
as a possibility, it may be look at a set of uses

1016
01:09:57,220 --> 01:10:00,540
that we could put into a boundary called an area plan

1017
01:10:00,540 --> 01:10:02,000
after we talked to the owners,

1018
01:10:02,140 --> 01:10:04,220
and maybe into some interaction with residents

1019
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:06,420
if we ever get that far through.

1020
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,900
So that we might have some kind of a policy statement

1021
01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:13,340
in place, so yeah, we are open to it eventually.

1022
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,920
And maybe somebody would see that, they would look at it.

1023
01:10:18,220 --> 01:10:21,320
And what to do that?

1024
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:27,120
Well, any property owner can come to the council with the, uh, an amendment to the general plan.

1025
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:33,020
And the, the town can not even spend the time to do it if it's not already indicated.

1026
01:10:33,380 --> 01:10:34,760
It's an old thing.

1027
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,400
We have a bad reputation.

1028
01:10:37,060 --> 01:10:37,680
Our town does.

1029
01:10:38,420 --> 01:10:39,080
Uh, tell me.

1030
01:10:39,140 --> 01:10:40,360
I'm not walking progress.

1031
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,660
I'm trying to get around some of that.

1032
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:45,560
Well, he can't for his own property.

1033
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:46,480
Not a rezoning.

1034
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:49,980
It's a policy state.

1035
01:10:50,260 --> 01:10:51,140
It's a policy state.

1036
01:10:51,140 --> 01:10:57,860
if I have a policy statement, let's say you're open to anything is open to

1037
01:10:57,860 --> 01:11:03,280
rezoning by the orange, by the property, if it's

1038
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,600
okay, the owner may not want to spend

1039
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:17,120
the money to do it and go through it with the history of the town and the way the town is done with zoning.

1040
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:23,420
So if we make a policy, that's still not an ordinance that's still not a rezoning.

1041
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:31,180
No, but it is a policy that states that the town is interested in exploring options for

1042
01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:38,200
an area that is currently a long, freeway that is so site-ville-only residential 70,000

1043
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:44,880
square foot lots. There's about 200 acres down there, five or six lots,

1044
01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:53,400
five or six

1045
01:11:53,400 --> 01:12:01,720
to attract some money in this town because we need money, PDQ and not in three years.

1046
01:12:02,060 --> 01:12:08,000
If you've got a super fun site and we've got road problems, but I just wanted to bring it up

1047
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:13,240
so people could consider it and be open minded about the possibilities that it might be worth

1048
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,080
for suing at some point.

1049
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:22,800
It's not just the 87 acres that one person has. I've got some

1050
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,920
You know, you should have put them in a thing.

1051
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,760
My question was down in the children's body.

1052
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:37,200
One break.

1053
01:12:41,620 --> 01:12:46,230
It's five or six probably five years.

1054
01:12:46,930 --> 01:12:48,550
Yeah, there you go.

1055
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:49,150
It's one.

1056
01:12:54,190 --> 01:12:59,030
It's just something that if we can get ourselves ahead of the game a little bit.

1057
01:12:59,030 --> 01:13:00,630
Those missed a parcel number?

1058
01:13:01,930 --> 01:13:02,530
No.

1059
01:13:02,730 --> 01:13:03,190
I

1060
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:19,260
had that U.L.I. asked him to put that U.L.I. stuff in everybody's folders because it's got a lot of good information finding information in it.

1061
01:13:20,460 --> 01:13:22,900
About two minutes, potential minutes.

1062
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:30,040
It's all the pieces of South of Third Street East of 69.

1063
01:13:32,660 --> 01:13:35,040
Well that's the incoming, that's the end-down lane.

1064
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:41,960
There's that always people driving by our town, and if we say we're open to a grocery store,

1065
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:49,900
or are these resources or something maybe that would help us rebuild our downtown areas we get.

1066
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:57,200
If people are looking for investors, they'll say, well, there's the possibility there could be some logic in there.

1067
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:58,040
The venture.

1068
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,200
It would be south of the American Legion.

1069
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:10,440
But just be, yeah, actually, that's not even on the highway that one piece is not on the highway.

1070
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:11,800
I think it's got access.

1071
01:14:12,380 --> 01:14:18,520
If you do a shared access thing, as an area event.

1072
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:19,400
Yeah.

1073
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,560
Peace on the corner on third, third, third street,

1074
01:14:25,740 --> 01:14:26,920
roll black in your highway.

1075
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,340
Yeah, it's accessible.

1076
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:38,060
We've got a very large T-shaped piece of right-of-way down there that is on third to

1077
01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:42,900
be terminating end-of-third-street work such as the highway.

1078
01:14:44,060 --> 01:14:47,460
Well basically 86 acres.

1079
01:14:48,940 --> 01:14:55,180
Only the two parcels or other ones down there that if I'm looking at maybe possibly asking

1080
01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:59,960
of people are interested in doing something because there's other parcels.

1081
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:13,840
This, that are also own commercial. This, there a one is, it's got access to the other road up there, but if you're doing an area finding you're doing shared access, it's not like you have to be right on the freeway.

1082
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:22,040
It would be, um, the one here, but some parcel numbers on there and what's happening.

1083
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,920
And, can't write that small.

1084
01:15:27,420 --> 01:15:28,980
I think she's that small.

1085
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:31,640
Pursals, numbers coming up.

1086
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:33,460
Pursal labels.

1087
01:15:40,180 --> 01:15:44,680
So, all of that should have been provided in this cup.

1088
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,200
They print out that small, that size map.

1089
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:59,380
But you can request when you do a car, if you meet back up, you don't have a printer, whatever, you can send that to town hall, ask them to send that with your car.

1090
01:16:00,140 --> 01:16:00,920
Come here.

1091
01:16:01,460 --> 01:16:01,680
Yes.

1092
01:16:02,740 --> 01:16:03,180
This went.

1093
01:16:03,340 --> 01:16:05,340
I have a real problem here.

1094
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,580
This comes in the fact that you've got no specific.

1095
01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:10,160
You've got no car, no numbers.

1096
01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:16,840
You've attached a newspaper article that has to do with Prescott Valley, which I could give a wrap,

1097
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,740
But as far as what Prescott Valley is doing,

1098
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,640
you've failed to specify what parcels in question.

1099
01:16:25,420 --> 01:16:28,480
And when we talk about water, how do you know this?

1100
01:16:28,660 --> 01:16:32,800
I mean, none of this has been addressed in this car.

1101
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,040
Your car doesn't clarify, you know.

1102
01:16:37,780 --> 01:16:40,380
We need your car's clarifying so that we

1103
01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:43,940
have an opportunity to research and study well before meeting.

1104
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:49,220
And so I really, otherwise it just takes up so much time.

1105
01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:53,300
You really need to work on improving your car submission.

1106
01:16:56,100 --> 01:17:00,040
I expect, I would expect, if somebody put a car in,

1107
01:17:00,180 --> 01:17:01,640
I'll be doing some of my own research.

1108
01:17:01,940 --> 01:17:02,520
It wasn't on that.

1109
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,160
Not if you don't know where it's at.

1110
01:17:04,580 --> 01:17:05,100
I'm sorry.

1111
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,300
I mean, just, you've given it so generic.

1112
01:17:07,580 --> 01:17:08,640
It's just so generic.

1113
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,060
You've got to be sensitive.

1114
01:17:11,060 --> 01:17:11,720
I'll sit down.

1115
01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:13,700
We don't know that.

1116
01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:15,480
I mean, it doesn't say that on here.

1117
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:16,140
I'm sorry.

1118
01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:17,140
Forums?

1119
01:17:22,220 --> 01:17:22,460
South.

1120
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:23,720
Do you humble the area?

1121
01:17:25,790 --> 01:17:26,050
Of course.

1122
01:17:26,190 --> 01:17:27,010
That's our 69.

1123
01:17:28,090 --> 01:17:29,070
That's it.

1124
01:17:29,650 --> 01:17:31,110
So it's just not specific enough.

1125
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:32,290
You can't do enough research.

1126
01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:34,330
So we need specifics on this.

1127
01:17:34,410 --> 01:17:37,210
I don't even think we should be discussing it.

1128
01:17:38,770 --> 01:17:42,250
It's study sessions are just for new ideas as far as I remember.

1129
01:17:42,250 --> 01:17:44,510
If you put a car in, you need to be specific.

1130
01:17:45,730 --> 01:17:47,610
I'm not interested in what PV is doing.

1131
01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:49,230
I don't know,

1132
01:17:53,050 --> 01:18:00,080
it's so so on the agenda item that attract commercial users in the area to the South of this street.

1133
01:18:03,230 --> 01:18:03,710
Okay.

1134
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:08,350
South of this street, there's not much, you know, you got state land, you can't deal with state land.

1135
01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:09,770
I don't want to deal with state land.

1136
01:18:10,970 --> 01:18:14,350
Well, you can't deal with state land until state does it.

1137
01:18:14,350 --> 01:18:17,490
You can buy the state land if you want to.

1138
01:18:17,490 --> 01:18:24,850
Well, I just thought it would be interesting if people would know that there's something

1139
01:18:24,850 --> 01:18:26,170
going on.

1140
01:18:31,540 --> 01:18:38,080
I have the owner of the parcel each there, or well, I can't read the parcel under

1141
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:38,980
up there.

1142
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:40,460
The parcel each?

1143
01:18:41,180 --> 01:18:44,100
That's right there at Third Street in the highway.

1144
01:18:44,660 --> 01:18:44,800
Yeah.

1145
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:45,900
That's one.

1146
01:18:45,940 --> 01:18:49,220
Mr. Lacy is here, and he owns that.

1147
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:49,900
Mr. Lacy.

1148
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:53,560
I can't even see that.

1149
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:54,920
I can't see that.

1150
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:55,220
Yeah.

1151
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,120
Answer any questions about it.

1152
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:05,820
I could also point out the history of how that ended up with nothing but residential

1153
01:19:05,820 --> 01:19:09,540
zoning when everything else around is commercial.

1154
01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:12,360
So let's see.

1155
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:14,600
Let me first let me show you what

1156
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:24,280
this and this and this and then there's another little piece

1157
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:29,920
up there, that's 87 years there.

1158
01:19:30,740 --> 01:19:36,160
And it's all zones, 7,000, 7,000, it's perfect for the initial.

1159
01:19:37,180 --> 01:19:39,520
Everything around it is commercial.

1160
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:44,120
The north side of the third street, this is down in here.

1161
01:19:45,140 --> 01:19:50,740
This was not zoned commercial in the original general plan

1162
01:19:50,740 --> 01:19:54,340
because a group out of San Jose came to town,

1163
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,960
put that into escrow for me,

1164
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,960
and they tried to do kind of a ridiculous plan,

1165
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,260
which I have a copy of, I could show you.

1166
01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:06,280
That's wall back out of Scott Still designed it,

1167
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:07,640
and it was for an outlet mall,

1168
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,100
and all kinds of things that the demographics didn't work

1169
01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:11,020
for our area.

1170
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,240
And the people that were in control of the town

1171
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,880
at that time were really kind of insulted by this.

1172
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:35,960
And as a result, I ended up with residential zoning for all of this and one of the things I'd like to ask the council to consider is in the is a proposed use for that property would include some commercial and some community core.

1173
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:40,000
It's one of the ideal sites for a grocery store.

1174
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:44,880
Back in 2016, there was a lot of discussions

1175
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,920
with Croger about doing a grocery store there.

1176
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,500
They were doing six in the valley at that time,

1177
01:20:52,540 --> 01:20:55,400
and Amazon came in and bought whole foods and scared

1178
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,900
all these big grocery store people.

1179
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,560
That site that Safeway has just to the east

1180
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,380
of the junior high as too close so they can't have a liquor license.

1181
01:21:07,980 --> 01:21:14,120
There's not that many places really along 69 to site a grocery store.

1182
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:21,600
So one of the things I'm hoping the council will consider in the new general plan is to change that.

1183
01:21:21,700 --> 01:21:24,820
I right now can't afford to go in and pay for the amendment.

1184
01:21:24,820 --> 01:21:29,400
Our amendment process is expensive and complicated.

1185
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:43,180
And it takes a long time, but I'm not saying we should change that, but when council comes in to consider their proposed uses along 69, I hope they will allow that as one of the potential proposed uses.

1186
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:54,320
There's sites, I have people calling quite a bit about trying to do RV parks, Councilmember

1187
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,340
McBrady at one time talking about that in that.

1188
01:21:59,060 --> 01:22:06,080
There's a lot of different things we could do there that would really generate some tax revenue

1189
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,540
and not offend the sensibilities of the town.

1190
01:22:09,540 --> 01:22:15,480
I think. I'm a native here, so I've been here for a long time, and I know a little bit

1191
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:22,420
about how everything is developed in that sort of thing. And I just hope that Council will

1192
01:22:22,420 --> 01:22:27,900
consider a proposed use for that, since it's surrounded by commercial that would include

1193
01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:33,540
some commercial. And then I'll be glad to answer any questions about how this all happened.

1194
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:42,360
I know none of these current council members were here, including you were watching it, but

1195
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:51,120
yeah, at the time it was a real no-growth regime. Nobody cared about whether school buses could

1196
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:56,860
drop kids off or pick them up. It was like we just want this the way we want it and we don't care

1197
01:22:56,860 --> 01:23:03,980
about anybody else. Young families can move out. And that's too bad because this is a great

1198
01:23:03,980 --> 01:23:09,260
area and I'd like to see, you know, people grew up here have a chance to make a living here.

1199
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:16,160
So, I don't want to overstate my welcome, but if you have any questions, I'd be glad to answer.

1200
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:21,740
Yeah, I can understand across the street. It's all in industrial and then you got

1201
01:23:21,740 --> 01:23:28,300
to its treatment plant that JW is put in, they're, you know, on your side of the highway

1202
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:33,560
and then you get to Legion. So, you know, there's no reason, you know, I don't think it should

1203
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:40,260
be that. Yeah, and then down across from that square 40, you see the, absolutely square 40,

1204
01:23:41,020 --> 01:23:46,160
there's, yeah. What is that? It's an auction house. It used to be a steak house or ever.

1205
01:23:49,380 --> 01:23:49,560
Anyway,

1206
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:54,540
I just think it would make sense for all of us to do that in about water.

1207
01:23:55,280 --> 01:24:01,840
I think that my North East corner up there is in the Humble Water Company franchise area,

1208
01:24:02,860 --> 01:24:05,140
which could be extended into this whole area.

1209
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:11,300
Of course, someone, either myself or, you know, a future user would have to put in a well,

1210
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,820
provide them and add that to their system.

1211
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:18,860
Or I guess they could just keep their, you know, run their own small water company there.

1212
01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:21,760
But, you know, if you have less than 300 subscribers

1213
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:23,780
who doesn't make any sense to have a water company,

1214
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,620
so that's probably the way that would go.

1215
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:28,060
This way.

1216
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:29,960
Is it Mr. Lacy?

1217
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:30,920
Yes, man.

1218
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,440
Mr. Lacy, my understanding is that you are interested

1219
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:39,560
in changing the zoning and some of the portions of this.

1220
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,660
For right now, I'm not trying to change anything.

1221
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,680
It's actually, you know, zone-daggered cultural.

1222
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,360
I'm not trying to changing that.

1223
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,840
I just want to change the proposed usage in the general plan.

1224
01:24:52,540 --> 01:24:57,440
At the time that I went through five different levels of discussions with Famiha Shizu,

1225
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:03,660
who's the, at that time was a vice president for real estate, as last name was Ha Shizu's.

1226
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:09,840
Anyway, he was vice president for real estate with Crowder, and we got to a certain point

1227
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:17,540
where he sent someone up here, one of his people, to see what the, you know, what the feeling

1228
01:25:17,540 --> 01:25:22,320
would be in the town about him trying to do something there and he got really, you know,

1229
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:28,260
they were basically given a real definitive, no, we're not going to, you know, we don't

1230
01:25:28,260 --> 01:25:32,900
want that, we're not looking for any kind of growth here, we don't want to grow some store,

1231
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:37,860
we don't, you know, that was the sentiment in the council at that time. Things are started

1232
01:25:37,860 --> 01:25:45,380
to change a little bit now and he's no longer there, that's been probably 12, 15 years ago.

1233
01:25:45,380 --> 01:25:58,480
You know, I talked to Yelp I college, and I asked him to talk to Cobbers, and Cobbers said they don't want to develop any more of new stores in the area whatsoever.

1234
01:25:59,260 --> 01:25:59,900
They're scared.

1235
01:26:00,780 --> 01:26:02,220
But that's starting to change now.

1236
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,140
They just opened a new store in Phoenix.

1237
01:26:04,820 --> 01:26:06,340
And they're starting to look.

1238
01:26:06,460 --> 01:26:11,260
And I know Safeway still has some ideas that they, you know, that's going to evolve.

1239
01:26:11,260 --> 01:26:16,920
But if we don't do something now, we're going to run into the same tractor supply looked at that corner.

1240
01:26:16,940 --> 01:26:18,920
They wanted to do something there.

1241
01:26:20,540 --> 01:26:23,160
And, you know, the people at the time said, no.

1242
01:26:23,500 --> 01:26:23,960
Exactly.

1243
01:26:26,440 --> 01:26:27,920
Thank you, again.

1244
01:26:28,700 --> 01:26:36,920
Mr. Lacy, I worked with the COVID first several many years in my office in the corporate department of office downtown.

1245
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:47,040
It was located within the planning and building department for them and one of the things that they take into consideration is the population

1246
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,480
There are demographics and we don't have a whole lot of that.

1247
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,480
We got to demographic because if we take in order to say

1248
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:54,180
We want mayor.

1249
01:26:54,180 --> 01:26:54,540
Yeah.

1250
01:26:54,940 --> 01:26:55,820
I'm sorry.

1251
01:26:55,820 --> 01:26:57,300
Thank you.

1252
01:26:57,300 --> 01:27:02,540
One of the things is that they've reasoned that they picked a higher population.

1253
01:27:02,540 --> 01:27:08,020
because that's just like the best foods they go in, they do survey, they see how many, they

1254
01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:13,280
know and they have a guaranteed they're going to have X number shoppers per day per month or

1255
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:20,640
year before they lay a blade on the ground. Now they may purchase some ground in anticipation.

1256
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:26,360
But before they put a spade on the ground, they know exactly what they're going to have.

1257
01:27:26,940 --> 01:27:31,920
I can understand where you would like to see something in the general plan and I can't

1258
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:38,060
but agree I think with that amount of acreage I think that's a really good idea to rush the

1259
01:27:38,060 --> 01:27:42,900
process. I think it should have been done in the original general plan. And that may have been

1260
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:48,620
there was a little punishment there because of what this group from San Jose had proposed for the,

1261
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:53,820
you know. Well, yeah, first we weren't involved in any of that at that time so we can't

1262
01:27:53,820 --> 01:27:59,520
speak on that. I always hate to think that somebody would intentionally do that. Well, we actually

1263
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,180
higher than we thought.

1264
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:08,420
Yeah, we actually hired the gentleman who had been, he would been the managing engineer for

1265
01:28:08,420 --> 01:28:09,660
a will-down, okay?

1266
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:17,020
He left will-down, started his own firm out in a good-year surprise of work, and he had hired

1267
01:28:17,020 --> 01:28:23,440
someone who was a recent graduate from ASU, and she did most of the work on our current

1268
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:24,440
general plan.

1269
01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:29,440
And it was really the first project like that that she had done and

1270
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:37,820
One of the things is that you are in luck is we are in the process of doing the job well I agree

1271
01:28:38,660 --> 01:28:49,660
Okay, so the 10 years is over. You're going that's really why I'm here right and you would like to have the steering committee certainly be considering that

1272
01:28:49,660 --> 01:28:54,440
Yes, I think to try to rush the process and that's kind of what I was getting from this

1273
01:28:54,440 --> 01:29:00,060
Collins car here is that three years is going to be too long that I don't we don't know how long

1274
01:29:00,060 --> 01:29:05,660
it's going to take but sure a lot shorter than 10 years and government does move very slow

1275
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:14,080
unfortunately but we can still not moving at all right now but it looks like that may change.

1276
01:29:14,300 --> 01:29:19,340
Well we're hoping yes but we can see some progress in this for future use

1277
01:29:19,340 --> 01:29:22,840
But you know, since you work for Kroger,

1278
01:29:23,060 --> 01:29:27,120
Aldi and some of those other companies are moving in to this end to Arizona.

1279
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:31,560
There's a chance we might get something like that. I don't know, but if we don't,

1280
01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:37,480
if they look at it and they don't see in, even in our general plan, one of the proposed uses,

1281
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,660
is what we're talking about. They don't waste time with it. That's the truth.

1282
01:29:41,660 --> 01:29:50,480
It's interesting, it's infrastructure, your water, your road system, and all of this is greatly important to these large companies.

1283
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:50,960
Oh yeah.

1284
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,920
Where they're going to come in and put in a big big building.

1285
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:55,980
Well, and they're going to want 20 acres.

1286
01:29:56,220 --> 01:29:59,840
There's you probably know, you know, you got to have 20 acres.

1287
01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:21,920
I'm not really looking for a strip mall if you want another truth. I'd like to do something that's going to be more in line with what do we humble is, since I'm a native of this area, born and raised in this area.

1288
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:27,980
Well, I'll tell you I'm a native of Arizona, and seldom do I see just a singular grocery store.

1289
01:30:28,260 --> 01:30:29,920
No, we won't be so like that.

1290
01:30:30,100 --> 01:30:32,560
You're going to see some little side buildings and differences.

1291
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,260
Oh, there will be all kinds of stuff.

1292
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,100
And all of that is possible.

1293
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:41,820
As long as we can do it at the same point, we're developing this general plan.

1294
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,960
So there's a general outlook is there.

1295
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:46,520
We can see it as a whole.

1296
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:53,720
But what I hate to see is something to rush into this, start immediately changing things

1297
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:55,320
and we're trying to play catch up.

1298
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:56,160
I don't think that's...

1299
01:30:56,160 --> 01:31:02,600
But we've been, the mayor have not been talking about this for 10 years.

1300
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:10,060
This isn't something that we're rushing into, and I've actually talked to Council Member Hughes,

1301
01:31:10,860 --> 01:31:14,640
and we've been discussing this for quite some time, because there are, where each time

1302
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:21,840
these people would code to me and say, hey, what can I do here? Then I would come talk to

1303
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:27,080
them here and we would just hit a roadblock, not with him, but with other council members,

1304
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:32,220
it didn't want to see anything done there. Well, I don't have a problem myself. I think something

1305
01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:37,260
is done, but I want it done in the right order. Well, I agree with you. Yeah, as long as it's done

1306
01:31:37,260 --> 01:31:42,720
in the correct order, I have no problem with it. And that's all I'm asking, is it the council

1307
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:48,840
consider giving me a proposed use in the new general plan. Now, if somebody comes

1308
01:31:49,820 --> 01:31:55,800
before that's all implemented and stuff and, you know, has something that sounds like

1309
01:31:55,800 --> 01:32:01,040
it's something I should present to the council or maybe they want to then I'll come back

1310
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:06,780
but I'm not trying to, you know, say, hey, let's do this right now. I'm just saying that in

1311
01:32:06,780 --> 01:32:13,500
future, let's utilize that to its highest and best use for our community. That's really what I'm

1312
01:32:13,500 --> 01:32:18,900
looking at. Well, and I agree. Whatever that is, I'm not sure. I mean, we're right there right now,

1313
01:32:19,260 --> 01:32:23,760
and it's only going to be a little bit longer wait for you while this is all worked in. I just,

1314
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:29,640
the way this carphus reading, which is confusing, it looks like it was going to be something that was

1315
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:38,480
the rush situation, nobody wants to wait three years, etc. I mean the parcel numbers weren't

1316
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:40,360
on here, we had no way to research you up.

1317
01:32:40,420 --> 01:32:41,580
And I haven't even had...

1318
01:32:41,580 --> 01:32:44,420
I'm not trying to hold them that all close to the best of it that way.

1319
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:45,000
No.

1320
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:53,900
I haven't had a chance to talk to Council Member Collins about this.

1321
01:32:54,380 --> 01:32:59,420
I wasn't privy to any of this, I just noticed that you're talking about the land self

1322
01:32:59,420 --> 01:33:04,100
of third string since I owned that and I thought well, maybe I should come and try to speak

1323
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:04,680
to Council.

1324
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:11,960
If anybody has any questions about this, you know, I'm here, I'm glad to answer them.

1325
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:12,480
It's called?

1326
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:16,380
Yeah, I don't want to even think I know you.

1327
01:33:17,180 --> 01:33:18,720
I've never met you before, so.

1328
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:26,640
I'm just looking at what their shirt falls are on this and we've got sales tax, what's

1329
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:31,800
690, or something like that.

1330
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:34,780
It's a traditional amount of sales tax money we got.

1331
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:43,260
About 490 on the sales, the state-shared revenue increases that through sales tax.

1332
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:44,600
But our sales tax.

1333
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:49,840
I see only thing I'm in a hurry about is we need to get some money coming in here.

1334
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:55,780
And if we can nudge the horse forward by saying we're open to the options.

1335
01:33:56,440 --> 01:34:03,380
that's all I was trying to put forward. I think anything along the highway that

1336
01:34:03,380 --> 01:34:09,340
wants to be commercial, of some sort, or level because we need the money.

1337
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:15,620
I'm open to that as well and you got Mr. Mortimer here. He may be open to

1338
01:34:15,620 --> 01:34:25,760
ceasing, development on some his property down the road too. Anyway, that's all I

1339
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:36,060
I can't afford to go through the amendment process the time and the money that's involved in that because of the way our original general plan was written is prohibitive.

1340
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,080
Anyway, that's my position on all this.

1341
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:47,020
I'm available near no one knows how to reach me any time.

1342
01:34:48,620 --> 01:34:49,140
Yeah.

1343
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:50,040
Yeah.

1344
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:51,620
Oh, I don't know.

1345
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,840
Well, thanks for giving me a chance to...

1346
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:00,140
Have you considered City?

1347
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,420
Sir, I'll be glad to be honest with you.

1348
01:35:04,420 --> 01:35:05,000
Sir, what do you mean?

1349
01:35:05,020 --> 01:35:06,220
Oh, you know, it doesn't.

1350
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,280
Well, I'm a resident, you have a by county,

1351
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:14,460
but I don't live in any particular township or city.

1352
01:35:17,490 --> 01:35:18,090
Yes, we do.

1353
01:35:19,330 --> 01:35:22,750
So yeah, I'll be glad to be part of a steering committee.

1354
01:35:24,730 --> 01:35:27,710
I've been involved in all kinds of development.

1355
01:35:29,730 --> 01:35:30,770
So anyway.

1356
01:35:31,310 --> 01:35:32,750
Thanks a lot folks.

1357
01:35:33,130 --> 01:35:34,390
Thank you sir.

1358
01:35:34,490 --> 01:35:34,950
Thank you.

1359
01:35:35,370 --> 01:35:36,890
I don't have any of you here.

1360
01:35:37,070 --> 01:35:38,090
We could stop in the office.

1361
01:35:39,170 --> 01:35:40,070
I don't have any of you here.

1362
01:35:40,670 --> 01:35:43,350
I have a couple of quick comments and a question.

1363
01:35:43,570 --> 01:35:44,210
Jerry Mortimer.

1364
01:35:45,070 --> 01:35:57,610
So, going to what Council person went said, if a grocery store wants to come in here, and the demographics are here,

1365
01:35:58,110 --> 01:36:09,850
hey, to me there's nothing stopping them to approach you the landowner or the staff and say, you know, we want to put a,

1366
01:36:12,690 --> 01:36:14,190
you know,

1367
01:36:14,190 --> 01:36:19,150
free world, they can, that the property's not zoned, they could talk to the town and say,

1368
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:23,190
what the process do we need to go through? So there's nothing, there's not a roadblock

1369
01:36:23,190 --> 01:36:30,930
there. And I, and I know you have a problem with this car, but I, I mean, the first, the first

1370
01:36:30,930 --> 01:36:35,370
sentence says it all. I mean, discuss the potential of the land use element.

1371
01:36:38,130 --> 01:36:40,630
Okay, so it's, it's,

1372
01:36:40,630 --> 01:36:50,410
me, it just kind of gives staff a little bit of direction to say, you know, if Walmart comes

1373
01:36:50,410 --> 01:36:55,110
along and says, you know, we really want to come to do a humble, you have property available.

1374
01:36:56,570 --> 01:37:01,250
And we might not have anything specifically zone for that at the moment, but we have, we

1375
01:37:01,250 --> 01:37:01,870
have some options.

1376
01:37:01,890 --> 01:37:06,210
So it's not just a, no, we don't have anything that will fit your store in this town.

1377
01:37:06,210 --> 01:37:15,090
And I think that's kind of what Councilman Collins was saying is let's have an open mind and say,

1378
01:37:15,150 --> 01:37:22,270
you know what we're welcoming of you, and we can do everything we can to accommodate you instead of just saying,

1379
01:37:22,510 --> 01:37:24,730
no, sorry, we don't have anything that will fit.

1380
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:30,930
And I think within the whole area, and I'm not even talking specifically about Mr. Lacy's property,

1381
01:37:30,930 --> 01:37:40,870
Just as a general area, it's like, you know, if somebody wants to come in and build something that's gonna help our town, you know, it's like, yeah, I mean, the first answer needs to be yes.

1382
01:37:41,450 --> 01:37:50,410
Not, I don't think so, or, you know, they've eating the door down trying to get a commercial site in this town right now. I don't know the answer of that.

1383
01:37:50,710 --> 01:37:50,730
No.

1384
01:37:51,530 --> 01:37:59,930
But if they do, then staff has direction how to answer that question and say, yeah, we, you know, we're more than willing to talk to you about it.

1385
01:37:59,930 --> 01:38:04,070
That's why Presby Valley, I mean, I don't care if you wanted to put, I won't even say

1386
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:05,190
some of the thing that you can think of.

1387
01:38:05,190 --> 01:38:08,090
I mean, you put whatever you want up there, and they'd be like,

1388
01:38:08,090 --> 01:38:11,970
roll the red carpet out, get the newspaper, and let's get the mayor and start taking pictures.

1389
01:38:12,210 --> 01:38:15,690
I mean, but we need to have that same kind of attitude here.

1390
01:38:15,710 --> 01:38:17,070
Yeah, when he'll come to the commercial.

1391
01:38:18,250 --> 01:38:19,510
Oh, what's it on right now?

1392
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:20,950
I got a red carpet.

1393
01:38:21,290 --> 01:38:21,870
I loan it to you.

1394
01:38:22,230 --> 01:38:23,410
Okay, so that's all I had.

1395
01:38:23,730 --> 01:38:29,170
And I think you're correct, and you're correct, and I don't want to pick

1396
01:38:29,170 --> 01:38:35,170
but it's just it needs to they need direction and but if there was if there was a need and a

1397
01:38:35,170 --> 01:38:39,110
want we just need to be in a position to to be there. Thank you.

1398
01:38:39,110 --> 01:38:45,370
These directions too Mr. Marimer we need to know in order as a council individually in order

1399
01:38:45,370 --> 01:38:51,630
to study ahead of time so that we can discuss and intelligently rather than just have a generic

1400
01:38:51,630 --> 01:38:57,950
general thing we just need to have something there that we can look at.

1401
01:38:57,950 --> 01:39:01,050
now Mr. Lacy stood up and I can see that.

1402
01:39:01,610 --> 01:39:07,450
I don't think it, it's really, it doesn't, it doesn't pinpoint just his property.

1403
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:10,510
I mean, there's a lot of other properties in the town that this could happen.

1404
01:39:10,610 --> 01:39:15,090
It doesn't have to be, I mean, that's a prime piece of property that would work,

1405
01:39:15,410 --> 01:39:17,210
but there's other properties that would, too.

1406
01:39:17,290 --> 01:39:17,650
Yes.

1407
01:39:17,650 --> 01:39:21,690
And I think that's something that just needs to be identified as a staff knows, okay, this.

1408
01:39:22,110 --> 01:39:23,690
And if they're there, we just need to know about that.

1409
01:39:23,690 --> 01:39:24,490
We have opportunity.

1410
01:39:25,250 --> 01:39:27,410
We just need to know about that, I'm very.

1411
01:39:27,410 --> 01:39:28,570
Thank you.

1412
01:39:28,990 --> 01:39:29,110
Thank you.

1413
01:39:29,110 --> 01:39:30,050
Appreciate it.

1414
01:39:30,330 --> 01:39:30,470
Okay.

1415
01:39:31,950 --> 01:39:32,730
All right.

1416
01:39:32,970 --> 01:39:34,370
Let's move on.

1417
01:39:34,650 --> 01:39:39,710
Discussion relating to the process for establishing the ordinance and obtain council feedback

1418
01:39:40,190 --> 01:39:46,470
on the provisions of the proposed council policy to go in the developing text amendments

1419
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:49,490
to the zoning ordinances and other ordinances.

1420
01:39:50,570 --> 01:39:54,490
I turn this in because we need a process for doing this.

1421
01:39:55,150 --> 01:40:02,350
The way we've been doing it, it's not working by us coming in and wanting to change it.

1422
01:40:02,350 --> 01:40:09,710
The Nordminton, then we send it to B&Z and then it comes back to us and goes back to B&Z.

1423
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:18,930
So, you know, the whole idea, I guess, is to change that and on the back, it's, you know,

1424
01:40:18,930 --> 01:40:26,370
brings in a car, identify an issue of area, staff places a car from a huge area of council meeting,

1425
01:40:26,850 --> 01:40:32,030
along with staff organizations who are not pursuing graphing a text amendment to the zoning ordinance.

1426
01:40:32,670 --> 01:40:40,490
In compliance with town code 30, past 08-1, no more than one hour of what we spent in preparation in the initial recommendation.

1427
01:40:41,210 --> 01:40:47,590
Council votes to either refer to matters to staff, review the proposal and prepare a text

1428
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:53,270
amendment to the zoning ordinance or to take no action developing in ordinance.

1429
01:40:53,850 --> 01:41:00,270
It's moving forward by the Council staff, regardless of text amendment to the zoning ordinance

1430
01:41:00,270 --> 01:41:06,910
and jointly adverses, advertisers that post for public hearing, both themes and council meetings.

1431
01:41:06,910 --> 01:41:14,710
Pinsy holds a public hearing and makes report to Council on the Ordnance, Possible Recommending No Modification.

1432
01:41:15,590 --> 01:41:25,150
Council holds a public hearing and the Ordnance can certainly report from Pinsy and making modifications in either a cruise of a nice text to the zone.

1433
01:41:27,370 --> 01:41:32,790
Well, a coin above and specific to the zoning amendment, the council is a men and staff

1434
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:38,290
and mostly, a modified according to the other times, ordinance and bring back the policy

1435
01:41:38,290 --> 01:41:39,490
for council's consideration.

1436
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:45,730
So I think this is something we need to do instead of what we've been doing, it's taken

1437
01:41:45,730 --> 01:41:52,490
too much time and too much staff time, too much council time, and everything else, so

1438
01:41:52,490 --> 01:41:57,250
you want to get a better process than the process that we have now.

1439
01:41:58,390 --> 01:42:03,570
The top portion of that is as far as under the background is kind of how it's been going

1440
01:42:03,570 --> 01:42:08,210
and it's definitely taken a lot longer than it should because we keep, you guys send it to them,

1441
01:42:08,410 --> 01:42:16,290
they bring it back and we've caught ourselves missing a step before we actually did it.

1442
01:42:16,290 --> 01:42:19,330
can get it done and have it fall back because of the mountain.

1443
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:21,930
When the one has it too, try to create that.

1444
01:42:22,670 --> 01:42:40,530
Exactly, you know, we would stab it like to put together a policy and we could make it if you know if you just want to do the zoning or if you're minimal to having a cover a few the other areas just in the policy standpoint to bring back.

1445
01:42:40,530 --> 01:42:46,650
I think that would be good. So we all have an outline to follow and we can all follow the same outline.

1446
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:49,900
I think it would be very good.

1447
01:42:55,810 --> 01:42:57,490
Probably we'll be next month.

1448
01:42:58,590 --> 01:43:02,750
In fact, I think that like to follow, I don't know how manage your hands.

1449
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:09,230
Ideas still could include a few other processes in some of the things.

1450
01:43:09,230 --> 01:43:11,010
I mean, it's just getting ridiculous.

1451
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:13,730
We've got things going back and forth.

1452
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:19,230
And the language is not there and we're wasting way too much time.

1453
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:30,370
Yeah, I'd like to say, well, we'll set it up using the zoning code of amendments as the baseline

1454
01:43:30,370 --> 01:43:39,310
and then we can do a couple of others, there would be similar, outline for a couple of the other things.

1455
01:43:39,310 --> 01:43:45,610
Mr. Matik is one of the, Mr. Matik's is the one I actually pointed that out and we put that in there.

1456
01:43:45,610 --> 01:43:46,870
That's why he is so good.

1457
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:50,050
I know. I, I, I, it's why we like to come out.

1458
01:43:50,230 --> 01:43:51,410
Hey, we take right here.

1459
01:43:52,750 --> 01:43:55,430
And Monday, all day and Monday.

1460
01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:57,490
Yeah, we're going to give you both, get Monday up here.

1461
01:43:57,490 --> 01:43:58,290
Get Monday, sure.

1462
01:43:58,490 --> 01:44:03,510
Yeah, he, he pointed that out if you're amenable to it, we would set it up accordingly.

1463
01:44:04,370 --> 01:44:04,690
So, okay.

1464
01:44:05,710 --> 01:44:06,350
All right, Jim.

1465
01:44:06,450 --> 01:44:07,170
We're everything, Jim.

1466
01:44:07,410 --> 01:44:07,690
Excellent.

1467
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:08,770
Sounds good.

1468
01:44:08,770 --> 01:44:10,870
Okay, I like it.

1469
01:44:13,090 --> 01:44:14,030
You okay, Ms. Collins?

1470
01:44:14,350 --> 01:44:16,670
Yeah, I'm just not seeing good news.

1471
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:19,090
All right.

1472
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:22,190
The next item on the agenda is to adjourn.

1473
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:24,690
Being is adjourned.

1474
01:44:24,770 --> 01:44:25,970
Thank you all for coming.

1475
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:27,450
Appreciate it.

1476
01:44:27,570 --> 01:44:28,190
Oh, okay.

1477
01:44:29,290 --> 01:44:30,310
Do you want to hear of this?

1478
01:44:31,050 --> 01:44:32,050
How you doing?

1479
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:34,590
Good evening, everyone.

1480
01:44:35,230 --> 01:44:35,490
Good evening.

1481
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:36,170
Thank you.

1482
01:44:36,170 --> 01:44:37,310
Thank you.