1 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,619 Good evening everyone. I'd like to call this meeting to 2 00:00:33,619 --> 00:00:36,899 order under the authority of subsection 45 of the planning 3 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,739 act, RSO 1990 chapter P13 has amended to provide relief 4 00:00:42,739 --> 00:00:46,899 from zoning bylaw 07 - 67. We will be hearing 5 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:52,920 Application A07 - 26 this evening. The purpose of this 6 00:00:52,941 --> 00:00:55,400 hearing of the Committee of Adjustment is to allow the 7 00:00:55,581 --> 00:00:59,640 presentation of an application for a minor variance and to 8 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,440 allow interested members of the public the opportunity to ask 9 00:01:02,621 --> 00:01:07,320 questions or offer comments regarding this application. The Committee will 10 00:01:07,341 --> 00:01:12,200 exchange views and the decision will come after full consideration 11 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,800 of input from the hearing submissions from any interested parties 12 00:01:16,461 --> 00:01:19,800 and comments from agencies. If any member of the public 13 00:01:19,821 --> 00:01:22,120 would like to be notified in rating of the Committee 14 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:27,400 of Adjustments Decision on an application there to email coa 15 00:01:27,661 --> 00:01:32,680 at iron. ca or mail this request to 568 Forge 16 00:01:32,701 --> 00:01:38,600 or Fogger Road. Hillsburg, Ontario, NOB 10O. For anyone who 17 00:01:38,941 --> 00:01:41,800 has completed the sign - in sheet at the podium, 18 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,680 please note you do not need to separately submit a 19 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,080 written request to be notified. We'll start with deferrals. Consider 20 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,160 the Application allow any parties interested in the Application to 21 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,600 speak. Allow additional comments from the Applicant and then come 22 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,948 to a decision. So I have a, the following motion 23 00:01:59,948 --> 00:02:02,508 before the committee, be it resolved that the Committee hereby 24 00:02:02,529 --> 00:02:06,188 approves the Agenda circulated. Do I have a mover and 25 00:02:06,228 --> 00:02:13,527 a secondary for this motion. I'll second. All those in 26 00:02:13,527 --> 00:02:20,375 favor. Carried. Declaration of Prachinitary interests. Do any members of 27 00:02:20,375 --> 00:02:23,895 the Committee have any pequenitary interests regarding an application before 28 00:02:23,996 --> 00:02:29,255 the Committee today? Seeing none, we will carry on. I 29 00:02:29,295 --> 00:02:32,215 have the following motion before the committee, be it resolved 30 00:02:32,236 --> 00:02:35,495 that the Committee hereby adopts the minutes and circulated for 31 00:02:35,495 --> 00:02:39,983 the meeting of June 17, 2026. Do I have a 32 00:02:39,983 --> 00:02:46,957 mover in secondary for that motion. I'll move it. Remember 33 00:02:47,138 --> 00:02:53,569 Bruce will secondly. All those in favor. Carried. Request for 34 00:02:53,670 --> 00:02:57,489 withdrawal defer. So does the Applicant wish for whatever reason 35 00:02:57,910 --> 00:03:02,209 to withdraw or to further application? And I'm calling on 36 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:12,902 Maria Jones. Okay, thank you. Justin, will you please confirm 37 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:16,465 that Notus was provided. Thank you, Mr. Chair, through you. 38 00:03:16,465 --> 00:03:18,785 Notice was given on August 6th to every owner of 39 00:03:18,806 --> 00:03:21,505 land within 60 metres of the subject property and to 40 00:03:21,505 --> 00:03:26,811 ages requiring Notices prescribed under the Planning Act. Thank you. 41 00:03:26,832 --> 00:03:31,451 We will now consider the Application file number A07 - 42 00:03:31,792 --> 00:03:38,348 26. Location is 5916 Trafalgar Road North Hillsburg. I will 43 00:03:38,388 --> 00:03:41,868 now invite the town senior planner who is with us 44 00:03:41,908 --> 00:03:45,148 virtually. Thank you Jessica for being here to present her 45 00:03:45,169 --> 00:03:49,115 report. Jessica, do you solemnly affirm that the evidence to 46 00:03:49,115 --> 00:03:52,635 be given by you at this hearing touching the matters 47 00:03:52,675 --> 00:03:54,775 and questions shall be the truth, the whole truth, and 48 00:03:54,775 --> 00:03:58,395 nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you, carry on. 49 00:04:00,324 --> 00:04:03,983 Through you Mr. Chair, this is minor variance applications 07 50 00:04:04,084 --> 00:04:09,503 - 26 for Hillsburg Heights, Inc. Located at 5916 Trafalgar 51 00:04:09,524 --> 00:04:14,699 Road North in Hillsburg. The Application is to facilitate the 52 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,539 development of single detached and townhouse dwellings associated with the 53 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,219 proposed redline revisions to the county - approved draft plan 54 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,648 of subdivision 23t . 2. And the red line revisions 55 00:04:28,229 --> 00:04:33,193 will our subject to count the approval. Four variances were 56 00:04:33,374 --> 00:04:38,219 requested. A minimum exterior side yard of. Such dwellings in 57 00:04:38,219 --> 00:04:41,739 the UR - 1 - 102 zone, whereas the minimum 58 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,539 exterior side Jared shall be four metres. A maximum building 59 00:04:46,579 --> 00:04:49,739 height of 13 metres for single detached dwellings in the 60 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,339 UR - 1 - 102 zone, whereas the maximum building 61 00:04:53,379 --> 00:04:57,869 height shall not exceed 11 metres. Building height of 13 62 00:04:58,050 --> 00:05:01,401 metres for all - town. Have you are 2 - 63 00:05:01,742 --> 00:05:05,401 101 zone, whereas the maximum building height shall not exceed 64 00:05:05,582 --> 00:05:09,561 12. 5 metres for a stack townhouses and 11 metres 65 00:05:09,582 --> 00:05:13,165 for all other. A minimum watt frontage of 6 metres 66 00:05:13,266 --> 00:05:17,084 per end unit or corner lot for a townhouse. In 67 00:05:17,084 --> 00:05:22,604 the UR2 - 101 zone, whereas the minimum lot - 68 00:05:22,604 --> 00:05:25,564 fronted shall be 6 metres per unit on an interior 69 00:05:25,745 --> 00:05:30,124 lot and 7 metres per year and unit or corner 70 00:05:30,145 --> 00:05:34,585 lot. Staffer satisfied that the Application meets the 4 tests 71 00:05:34,585 --> 00:05:38,530 of the planning act. No objections were received from circulated 72 00:05:38,791 --> 00:05:43,890 agencies or departments as the Hillsburg subdivision has already received 73 00:05:44,071 --> 00:05:48,770 approval establishing an overall development framework, including road network and 74 00:05:48,810 --> 00:05:53,250 housing forms. The applicant is requesting that certain permissions already 75 00:05:53,271 --> 00:05:59,176 established elsewhere and be extended. Three written submissions from members 76 00:05:59,216 --> 00:06:01,976 of the public were received by staff after this report 77 00:06:01,997 --> 00:06:05,976 was finalised and were subsequently forwarded to the committee for 78 00:06:05,997 --> 00:06:13,607 consideration. Planning staff recommended approval of the Application. Thank you 79 00:06:13,628 --> 00:06:20,379 very much. We'll now provide an opportunity for representation and 80 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,939 questions regarding A07 - 26. So at this time I'll 81 00:06:24,939 --> 00:06:34,307 call Maria to the podium if she could please. Maria, 82 00:06:34,307 --> 00:06:36,467 do you solemnly affirm that the evidence to be given 83 00:06:36,488 --> 00:06:39,907 by you at this hearing touches the matters and questions 84 00:06:39,928 --> 00:06:42,227 shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but 85 00:06:42,248 --> 00:06:49,520 the truth. I do. Thank you, carry on. Good evening. 86 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,800 My name is Maria Jones. I'm a planner with Candevcon 87 00:06:52,821 --> 00:07:00,109 group representing the Applicant Hillsburg Heights. Our presentation complements that 88 00:07:00,109 --> 00:07:02,749 was present, the one that was presented by the town. 89 00:07:04,086 --> 00:07:08,145 We had submitted a minor variance application to facilitate the 90 00:07:08,246 --> 00:07:15,878 development of single detached in townhost dwellings in accordance. With 91 00:07:17,659 --> 00:07:21,078 the, in accordance with the proposed red line revisions to 92 00:07:21,118 --> 00:07:27,158 the county approved draft plan as subdivision 23T - 21002. 93 00:07:29,803 --> 00:07:35,942 For some background, the site was rezoned on December 12, 94 00:07:35,942 --> 00:07:41,142 2024 through zoning bylaw, amendment 2454, and the plan of 95 00:07:41,142 --> 00:07:46,488 subdivision was approved on December 19, 2025. The approved subdivision 96 00:07:46,589 --> 00:07:53,208 included 195 single detached lots, 174 townhouse units, a school 97 00:07:53,229 --> 00:08:00,531 block, a park. And stormwater management facilities. During the detailed 98 00:08:00,712 --> 00:08:05,491 engineering design, it became apparent that the site topography, particularly 99 00:08:06,072 --> 00:08:11,251 within the townhouse blocks north of the stormwater management pond 100 00:08:11,992 --> 00:08:16,771 near Trafalgaro created some grading challenges due to the southward 101 00:08:17,192 --> 00:08:22,850 slope. To address these conditions. A limited number of single 102 00:08:22,951 --> 00:08:27,250 detached in townhouse lots were reconfigured to better accommodate the 103 00:08:27,351 --> 00:08:33,185 site. This area of photo here illustrates the subject lands 104 00:08:33,286 --> 00:08:40,743 in context to the surrounding area. As indicated, the requested 105 00:08:42,764 --> 00:08:47,463 through the planner, the requested variance is provide flexibility by 106 00:08:47,503 --> 00:08:52,423 both single detached and townhouse lots within the UR - 107 00:08:52,423 --> 00:08:56,983 1 102 and you are 2101 zones of the site 108 00:08:57,004 --> 00:09:02,980 - specific bylaw. For the townhouse lots in the UR 109 00:09:03,241 --> 00:09:07,780 - 2101 zone, relief is requested to permit the minimum 110 00:09:08,201 --> 00:09:12,980 frontage of 6 metres for ending corner units, whereas seven 111 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:19,748 metres is permitted or required. To permit a maximum height, 112 00:09:19,748 --> 00:09:24,228 building height of 13 metres, whereas a maximum of 12. 113 00:09:24,329 --> 00:09:28,708 5 metres for Stack Townhouses and 11 metres for other 114 00:09:28,889 --> 00:09:34,256 townhouse forms is permitted. For single detached lots in the 115 00:09:34,377 --> 00:09:38,356 UR - 1 - 02 zone, relief is requested to 116 00:09:38,377 --> 00:09:42,996 permit exterior side yards of 3 metres, whereas 4 metres 117 00:09:43,097 --> 00:09:46,516 are required, and to permit a maximum building height of 118 00:09:46,537 --> 00:09:50,836 13 metres where 11 metres are permitted. These variances allow 119 00:09:50,937 --> 00:09:55,556 the single detached in townhouse lots to be developed interchangeably 120 00:09:55,556 --> 00:10:04,754 within the affected zones. This slide identifies the area affected 121 00:10:04,935 --> 00:10:09,954 by the proposed red line revisions through the red lines. 122 00:10:11,394 --> 00:10:15,213 The affected area is located north of the stormwater management 123 00:10:15,954 --> 00:10:21,519 blonde near Trafalgar Road. The proposed law configurations correspond to 124 00:10:21,780 --> 00:10:28,959 existing grading constraints and will accommodate walk out basement designs. 125 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:33,519 It will reduce the need for between walls, between homes, 126 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:38,799 minimize existing grading and slight alterations and avoid unconventional building 127 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:42,159 designs that would otherwise be required due to the sight 128 00:10:42,180 --> 00:10:52,016 slope. In our opinion, the Application satisfies 129 00:10:52,277 --> 00:10:55,989 all four tests under the planning act. It may, the 130 00:10:55,989 --> 00:11:00,069 Application maintains the intent of the official plan. It proposes 131 00:11:00,330 --> 00:11:08,549 development required development. The proposed development remains residential in nature 132 00:11:09,130 --> 00:11:14,869 and continues to implement the approved residential designation. Both townhouse 133 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:20,229 and single detached dwelling are permitted forms in the official 134 00:11:20,410 --> 00:11:26,418 plan. It does maintain the intent of the zoning bylaw. 135 00:11:26,418 --> 00:11:29,538 The variances do not alter the overall vision or function 136 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,658 of the approved zoning. Rather they introduce limited site - 137 00:11:34,658 --> 00:11:40,658 specific provisions to provide flexibility while maintaining appropriate setbacks, streetscape 138 00:11:40,658 --> 00:11:46,287 character, landscape opportunities, and building design. It is desirable for 139 00:11:46,708 --> 00:11:51,647 the appropriate development of the land, the variances support practical 140 00:11:51,668 --> 00:11:56,767 development solutions that respond to site conditions. They allow for 141 00:11:57,268 --> 00:12:01,327 efficient lot layouts and building designs while maintaining the intent 142 00:12:01,348 --> 00:12:06,006 of the approved subdivision. And we feel that it is 143 00:12:06,187 --> 00:12:10,166 minor in nature. The request relief is technical and limited 144 00:12:10,347 --> 00:12:14,646 in scope. The subdivision continues to provide the same housing 145 00:12:14,827 --> 00:12:20,326 forms already approved and will end with only minor adjustments 146 00:12:20,747 --> 00:12:28,897 to lock configurations. In conclusion, upon approval of the variances, 147 00:12:28,897 --> 00:12:31,457 a red line revision to the approved draft plan of 148 00:12:31,457 --> 00:12:34,017 subdivid or to the approved plan of subdivision will be 149 00:12:34,017 --> 00:12:37,677 submitted to the town and county for final approval. And 150 00:12:37,677 --> 00:12:41,478 the county will be the final approval authority. The revised 151 00:12:41,499 --> 00:12:47,558 plan proposes 198 single detached lots and 173 townhouse units 152 00:12:47,819 --> 00:12:51,798 representing essentially no change to the overall density of the 153 00:12:51,838 --> 00:12:57,192 subdivision. The proposed red line revisions and associated variances are 154 00:12:57,192 --> 00:13:00,312 technical in nature, and they respond to site - specific 155 00:13:00,413 --> 00:13:06,429 grading constraints and represents good planning. That concludes my presentation. 156 00:13:09,622 --> 00:13:14,048 Thank you very much. I'm sure we will be back 157 00:13:14,048 --> 00:13:19,568 to you here shortly. So next we will allow any 158 00:13:19,608 --> 00:13:23,088 members of the public desiring to speak to make their 159 00:13:23,088 --> 00:13:26,586 representation. Please note that you'll have up to 10 minutes 160 00:13:26,607 --> 00:13:30,106 to make your representation and that your comments or questions 161 00:13:30,207 --> 00:13:35,506 should specifically relate to the Application before the committee. So 162 00:13:35,967 --> 00:13:39,386 that is just strictly on the variances that they're requesting 163 00:13:39,887 --> 00:13:46,586 of the height to go from 11 metres to 13 164 00:13:47,567 --> 00:13:51,386 from 12 and a half to 13. The front edge 165 00:13:51,386 --> 00:13:55,786 to go from 7 to 6, and the side lots 166 00:13:55,786 --> 00:14:01,046 to go from 4 metres to 3 metres. So, um, 167 00:14:01,487 --> 00:14:04,346 at this time, I believe we have one person that 168 00:14:04,367 --> 00:14:08,506 would like to speak. So is there a stert, Brennan? 169 00:14:09,167 --> 00:14:14,482 Okay. So Stuart. Hang on a second. Go - brother. 170 00:14:14,903 --> 00:14:17,202 Do you solemnly affirm that the evidence to be given 171 00:14:17,223 --> 00:14:20,322 by you at this hearing touching the matters and questions 172 00:14:20,343 --> 00:14:22,162 shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but 173 00:14:22,202 --> 00:14:26,242 the truth? Absolutely. Thank you very much. I may be 174 00:14:26,242 --> 00:14:31,602 at the wrong way say it in regards to the 175 00:14:31,623 --> 00:14:41,380 application. For the variants. However. You're asking, they're asking the 176 00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:47,013 residents for support. And we as the residents, we don't 177 00:14:47,194 --> 00:14:50,613 seem to be getting any support back from this company. 178 00:14:53,332 --> 00:14:58,848 So we have a few issues in our neighbourhood. And 179 00:14:58,869 --> 00:15:02,848 unfortunately it's not to do with the variance. So that's 180 00:15:02,848 --> 00:15:07,152 where you're here for today, correct? However, because we've been 181 00:15:07,173 --> 00:15:11,392 chased in the company because they have so many different 182 00:15:12,053 --> 00:15:17,872 people in between, the towns hired, I believe, it's Ainsley 183 00:15:18,133 --> 00:15:23,983 group. That represent any problems. And the gentleman's name is 184 00:15:24,244 --> 00:15:29,799 Josh McLean. Who is the goal between. For the town. 185 00:15:29,799 --> 00:15:34,519 And we've had issues since they started construction, but it's 186 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:38,914 really come to a light with their grading. And I 187 00:15:38,954 --> 00:15:47,529 live, I back on to the stormwater management pond. So 188 00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:52,088 this is going to directly affect me. Now the grading 189 00:15:52,088 --> 00:15:57,048 they have there on my side is I was told 190 00:15:57,149 --> 00:16:01,368 by this Josh gentleman that they were supposed to change 191 00:16:01,408 --> 00:16:05,507 the grading there. Now you're talking about the grading on 192 00:16:05,507 --> 00:16:08,530 the other side. I'm talking about the grading that box 193 00:16:08,871 --> 00:16:16,007 on our place. And the issue we have and myself 194 00:16:16,268 --> 00:16:21,558 and my other neighbours is. During the first time they 195 00:16:21,598 --> 00:16:24,918 put up that black fence. Now you put around it 196 00:16:25,099 --> 00:16:28,760 for a construction. Well, that fence fell down. And they 197 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,202 had Bellsley haze in between, right? So the pressure then 198 00:16:32,223 --> 00:16:37,765 went and it threw my fence down. And then they 199 00:16:37,765 --> 00:16:39,205 came and I said, you got to put a new 200 00:16:39,226 --> 00:16:42,005 fence up, right? Like not a new one, but repair 201 00:16:42,045 --> 00:16:48,304 my fence. So they came and they put another black 202 00:16:48,325 --> 00:16:52,704 fence up another six yards in behind the black fence 203 00:16:52,725 --> 00:16:59,477 that went down. So nobody since then, uh, we've sent 204 00:16:59,517 --> 00:17:02,917 out my neighbours that sent out emails to all the 205 00:17:03,178 --> 00:17:08,343 town councillors, no reply. The only person that has replied 206 00:17:08,383 --> 00:17:12,652 to us is a mayor so far. And we had 207 00:17:12,673 --> 00:17:17,132 a conversation last week, they replied to another one of 208 00:17:18,353 --> 00:17:21,292 the other replied from the mayor. That's all a phone 209 00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:25,351 call. Okay. And I explained what was going on. I 210 00:17:25,351 --> 00:17:28,311 didn't know that this, this variance was going on. So 211 00:17:28,311 --> 00:17:31,711 he said he can't get involved or whatever. And this 212 00:17:31,711 --> 00:17:36,421 may not be the place for. It. But if this 213 00:17:36,762 --> 00:17:41,504 is what this company is doing now. I expect, because 214 00:17:41,525 --> 00:17:44,944 it's been almost three years, I would suspect that this 215 00:17:44,965 --> 00:17:47,424 is what they're going to do in the future. And 216 00:17:47,445 --> 00:17:51,344 that's why I'm dead against this. I don't care how 217 00:17:51,845 --> 00:17:54,544 big they build it or anything, but they, they have 218 00:17:54,544 --> 00:18:00,866 to at least address our concerns as neighbours. If they 219 00:18:00,887 --> 00:18:04,946 don't want it, then we have a big issue. And 220 00:18:05,207 --> 00:18:10,833 we're held, unfortunately, we're health issues. Now our neighbours across 221 00:18:10,934 --> 00:18:14,593 the street also us, my wife, her eyes, but the 222 00:18:14,633 --> 00:18:18,833 kinds of stuff that's going on. Nothing that's addressed. Nope. 223 00:18:18,873 --> 00:18:21,473 And they tell Josh, they're going to come and redo 224 00:18:21,513 --> 00:18:25,907 the, uh, the hill. I have seen, when he plays, 225 00:18:25,907 --> 00:18:29,427 they redid the hill is where the town's fire extinguisher, 226 00:18:29,427 --> 00:18:33,347 uh, fire hydrant is. Other than that, they have done 227 00:18:33,387 --> 00:18:38,147 nothing with redoing that hill. It's a mess. Okay. Um, 228 00:18:38,968 --> 00:18:43,507 Jessica and between you and Justin, maybe there's somebody that, 229 00:18:43,507 --> 00:18:47,827 um, you guys can have contact the local residents that 230 00:18:47,848 --> 00:18:52,147 have filed questions and stuff like that. Uh, I'm sure 231 00:18:52,187 --> 00:18:55,027 you guys will have a, have somebody that could contact 232 00:18:55,128 --> 00:18:58,147 them and work through some of this. Um, it doesn't 233 00:18:58,168 --> 00:19:04,246 affect the, um, the application tonight. But, um, there is 234 00:19:04,286 --> 00:19:06,166 concerns that they've had that they've been trying to get 235 00:19:06,267 --> 00:19:10,246 some answers to. So maybe between the two years you 236 00:19:10,246 --> 00:19:13,686 can figure out or this other company. You guys can 237 00:19:13,686 --> 00:19:16,566 have them reach out to them and see if they 238 00:19:16,566 --> 00:19:19,206 can't get them some answers. Um, just cause you guys 239 00:19:19,227 --> 00:19:21,766 are with the town. I'm hoping that, um, that you 240 00:19:21,806 --> 00:19:24,086 guys know somebody that you guys can get in contact 241 00:19:24,126 --> 00:19:26,306 with that they can go and see some of the 242 00:19:26,347 --> 00:19:30,146 residents that are right there that are being affected. And 243 00:19:30,146 --> 00:19:33,046 hopefully get them some answers and that might help, help, 244 00:19:33,046 --> 00:19:38,901 uh, straighten a lot of things out. I appreciate that. 245 00:19:39,082 --> 00:19:41,301 But we have been in contact. I got all kinds 246 00:19:41,301 --> 00:19:45,861 of emails that's coming. But okay, no resolve. Okay. Well, 247 00:19:45,861 --> 00:19:48,901 hopefully we can get you something. Thank you. Thank you. 248 00:19:50,042 --> 00:19:54,066 Is there anyone else that would like. Please step up? 249 00:19:54,087 --> 00:19:55,426 You're going to have to state your name. Cause unfortunately 250 00:19:55,527 --> 00:19:57,814 I don't have it here on my list. My name 251 00:19:57,814 --> 00:20:00,017 is Marilyn. My last name is Pressful. He put several 252 00:20:00,057 --> 00:20:04,391 emails. From me. Okay. Maryland, do you saw me affirm 253 00:20:04,391 --> 00:20:06,711 that the evidence to be given by you at this 254 00:20:06,751 --> 00:20:09,831 hearing touching the matters in questions shall be the truth. 255 00:20:09,831 --> 00:20:11,591 The whole truth and nothing but the truth. Yes. Thank 256 00:20:11,631 --> 00:20:14,071 you, carry on. So I have no problem with the 257 00:20:14,332 --> 00:20:17,271 growth at Hillsburg. I think it's fabulous what we're doing. 258 00:20:17,271 --> 00:20:20,376 I'm directly affected because I do back on. I'm one 259 00:20:20,416 --> 00:20:23,736 of the neighbours. I know Molly and Dan, Paul and 260 00:20:23,757 --> 00:20:26,936 Pearl. I can name them all. Well, my concern is, 261 00:20:26,976 --> 00:20:29,736 is not the minor variance. Thank you, Jessica, for all 262 00:20:29,776 --> 00:20:33,629 your work. It's that it's a blanket variance because what 263 00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:37,549 they've asked for is not just for these specific homes, 264 00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:39,549 but they're now saying we don't have to do the 265 00:20:39,589 --> 00:20:41,029 rest of the paperwork. We want to be able to 266 00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:44,269 do these variances as we go forward. I would be 267 00:20:44,290 --> 00:20:49,388 fine if you just specify those houses. And said, that's 268 00:20:49,388 --> 00:20:52,108 what we're going to make the changes to. Those are 269 00:20:52,929 --> 00:20:56,933 minor variances. But this is asking for a blanket change. 270 00:20:56,933 --> 00:20:59,681 And I agree with you. I don't trust them. I 271 00:20:59,721 --> 00:21:04,486 don't trust. And this is going to sound horrible. Council 272 00:21:04,486 --> 00:21:07,046 to have the time to be able to address all 273 00:21:07,307 --> 00:21:09,766 the small things that we as homeowners. I've been here 274 00:21:09,766 --> 00:21:13,050 for over two decades with my husband. I don't think 275 00:21:13,071 --> 00:21:17,290 it's appropriate. That this is considered minor. It is blanket 276 00:21:17,311 --> 00:21:21,050 for the entire subdivision. Sorry Jessica. I know it's more 277 00:21:21,090 --> 00:21:26,156 paperwork for you, but it is my home. Additionally, we 278 00:21:26,156 --> 00:21:29,716 have to consider the green spaces. So if the builder 279 00:21:29,737 --> 00:21:32,356 can admit that it's not minor, this is asking for 280 00:21:32,396 --> 00:21:35,476 a blanket change to save the paperwork. And I understand 281 00:21:36,057 --> 00:21:38,356 it's a lot of work. But it is not okay. 282 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:41,737 To be signed off as minor. If you can specify 283 00:21:42,878 --> 00:21:46,777 the lot numbers, the changes to those lot numbers and 284 00:21:46,777 --> 00:21:49,817 not make it future forward because I don't think you 285 00:21:49,857 --> 00:21:52,617 can go back once you've given them off the leash. 286 00:21:53,306 --> 00:21:59,073 They're going to be off the leash. Jessica, it only 287 00:21:59,094 --> 00:22:02,753 affects the ones within the red line on the diagram, 288 00:22:02,753 --> 00:22:07,831 correct? The Applicant is proposing changes which are the red 289 00:22:07,852 --> 00:22:15,974 lines. Um, however, it is for the whole zone. And 290 00:22:15,974 --> 00:22:22,074 I hear the residents concern. However, there are already existing 291 00:22:22,895 --> 00:22:32,394 established permissions for 13 metre kites. They're permitted to put, 292 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:35,914 they're already exist permissions to put townhouses where singles are 293 00:22:36,175 --> 00:22:40,154 and singles where townhouses are, um, it's just those slight 294 00:22:41,135 --> 00:22:46,714 iterations of, um, a metre or two metres that is 295 00:22:46,735 --> 00:22:52,714 in question. So, um, backing on to upper Canada Drive, 296 00:22:52,714 --> 00:22:58,677 um, they're already permissions for 13 metre heights. And three 297 00:22:58,698 --> 00:23:03,717 metre, um, exterior, uh, side air. So the permissions are 298 00:23:03,818 --> 00:23:11,666 already there in certain zones. Okay. Thank you. No, that 299 00:23:11,687 --> 00:23:14,306 does not clear it up. It already is passed on 300 00:23:14,327 --> 00:23:16,696 some. Of it. And this is all. We're really looking 301 00:23:16,797 --> 00:23:20,251 at. Is the red line. Because it's already passe. On 302 00:23:20,251 --> 00:23:22,360 the other stuff. It didn't come from a. So can 303 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,600 I ask a question, Jessica? Are they able to change 304 00:23:24,861 --> 00:23:30,360 those, um, single unit homes. And obviously I'm asking for 305 00:23:30,621 --> 00:23:33,400 myself and for the people who are not here, that 306 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,280 back directly onto it. Are those going to remain single 307 00:23:36,541 --> 00:23:42,487 unit homes. Those will remain single detached dwellings. However, there 308 00:23:42,508 --> 00:23:45,767 are permissions if they wanted to without coming for a 309 00:23:45,788 --> 00:23:50,267 minor variance. To change them into townhouses. And when they 310 00:23:50,267 --> 00:23:52,507 wouldn't need a minor, may I ask, sorry to cut 311 00:23:52,547 --> 00:23:58,296 you off. When did that happen? Uh, well, it didn't 312 00:23:58,477 --> 00:24:03,736 happen. It's not happening. They're, they're keeping them as singles. 313 00:24:03,736 --> 00:24:09,016 But the zone, the, the exception zone already permits townhouses. 314 00:24:09,016 --> 00:24:11,896 So they could go straight to the county and request 315 00:24:11,917 --> 00:24:14,536 a red line revision and put in towns. They wouldn't 316 00:24:14,536 --> 00:24:17,816 even have to come to, uh, the Committee of Adjustment. 317 00:24:18,813 --> 00:24:23,387 But they're not going to do that. We've worked with 318 00:24:23,408 --> 00:24:29,067 them and, um, public. And they're going to put single 319 00:24:29,107 --> 00:24:33,547 detached dwellings in that area. Only a few minor homes 320 00:24:33,587 --> 00:24:40,515 will be changed. And it is for grading purposes. I 321 00:24:40,536 --> 00:24:44,380 will leave this in the council's, the committee's hands. I 322 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:47,020 want you to understand what it's like to live behind 323 00:24:47,841 --> 00:24:50,860 these developers. We've definitely worked with them. And I've had 324 00:24:50,860 --> 00:24:53,340 a different experience on a couple of occasions where they 325 00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:56,860 have been quite supportive when we had flooding across our 326 00:24:56,900 --> 00:25:00,380 entire backyard in our septic for several days. They did 327 00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:03,820 come and support that. So please forgive me if I 328 00:25:03,921 --> 00:25:06,140 appear to be a little over concerned. I don't think 329 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:08,700 you can be over concerned given the situation that we 330 00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:11,340 are in in Ontario at this time. And I do 331 00:25:11,380 --> 00:25:16,300 not want to see something that is not reflective. That's 332 00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:20,294 the word. Of Aaron's charm. And I don't want to 333 00:25:20,294 --> 00:25:23,214 see less green space or less consideration for the people 334 00:25:23,315 --> 00:25:26,014 that should have the charm and the ability to have 335 00:25:26,054 --> 00:25:28,546 a wonderful community there. Thank you for putting up with 336 00:25:28,586 --> 00:25:32,932 all my emails, Justin as well. Anyways, um, I do 337 00:25:32,953 --> 00:25:35,572 think it could have been a better, uh, application being 338 00:25:35,673 --> 00:25:39,072 minor. If it is truly minor not being blanket, um, 339 00:25:39,593 --> 00:25:41,932 because you may know these things, Jessica, but I do 340 00:25:41,932 --> 00:25:44,292 not. And the people up and down my street do 341 00:25:44,313 --> 00:25:47,092 not. And we are very concerned. So thank you for 342 00:25:47,113 --> 00:25:53,786 listening to me this evening. Thank you very much. Is 343 00:25:53,826 --> 00:26:02,493 there anyone else. Seeing none, I will now invite questions. 344 00:26:02,493 --> 00:26:05,933 Um, that they have for the Applicant or the staff. 345 00:26:05,933 --> 00:26:09,053 And Marielle invite you back to the podium just to 346 00:26:09,093 --> 00:26:11,773 answer your questions from the committee. And I will turn 347 00:26:11,794 --> 00:26:15,465 it over to the committee. Bill, you got to help 348 00:26:15,505 --> 00:26:18,346 me out here. You got to have a question. Yes, 349 00:26:18,386 --> 00:26:21,432 hi Maria. Uh, I do have a few questions. Um, 350 00:26:22,273 --> 00:26:25,052 obviously it's just the townhouse lots and those singles that 351 00:26:25,153 --> 00:26:29,292 are on the red line revisions, um, I mean, yes, 352 00:26:29,292 --> 00:26:34,012 uh, the variances requested are specific to the, uh, the 353 00:26:34,113 --> 00:26:37,452 zone categories, I would assume, um, would you have any 354 00:26:37,492 --> 00:26:41,944 objection if we tied it, the approval. To the red 355 00:26:42,045 --> 00:26:46,278 line plan essentially. Like a simple condition, tying it to 356 00:26:46,278 --> 00:26:48,438 the red line plan that these variances are for those 357 00:26:48,539 --> 00:26:50,998 particular lots that are outlined on the red line plan. 358 00:26:51,655 --> 00:26:55,394 I mean, that basically would entail that the variances as 359 00:26:55,394 --> 00:26:59,668 approved cannot be as the neighbour suggested used elsewhere. And 360 00:26:59,689 --> 00:27:02,388 I know that there's 14 metre approvals throughout the set 361 00:27:02,388 --> 00:27:06,248 of vision height approvals. The setbacks and so forth. Um, 362 00:27:07,309 --> 00:27:09,128 just, I can't see a reason why we can't tie 363 00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:11,963 it to these specific lots. As opposed to the whole 364 00:27:12,064 --> 00:27:14,763 zone category. And maybe that's a question through Jessica and 365 00:27:14,784 --> 00:27:17,723 Justin. But, uh, it may satisfy the neighbours to a 366 00:27:17,763 --> 00:27:26,110 certain extent. Is that possible. Jessica. I would just caution 367 00:27:27,011 --> 00:27:30,750 in case that the Applicant had to come back and, 368 00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:37,630 um, make further minor adjustments. Um, and that's why the, 369 00:27:37,630 --> 00:27:42,110 um, exterior lots were included in here. Um, because they 370 00:27:42,131 --> 00:27:46,030 may need to move some of the singles to the 371 00:27:46,131 --> 00:27:50,875 outside of the street. Um, so we would be back 372 00:27:50,976 --> 00:27:56,146 at committee again, asking, uh, for relief. Uh, this way 373 00:27:56,186 --> 00:28:02,640 we do it once. Um. The revisions are just in 374 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,689 that area. Uh, and it's just so that the developer 375 00:28:05,729 --> 00:28:11,768 can get going with these with the first phase. Not 376 00:28:11,768 --> 00:28:15,048 that it ultimately it's committee's decision. But Jessica, if we 377 00:28:15,048 --> 00:28:17,348 were to do it just on the red line, um, 378 00:28:17,789 --> 00:28:20,408 units affected within the red line. And they did have 379 00:28:20,448 --> 00:28:22,888 to come back to the committee. That would at least 380 00:28:22,888 --> 00:28:27,928 keep the neighbours inform, um, I believe they feel that 381 00:28:27,968 --> 00:28:31,208 they're not informed right now. Um, that that would make 382 00:28:31,229 --> 00:28:34,328 them be informed because they would have to come back 383 00:28:35,069 --> 00:28:39,028 and get approval. They know what's, what's being changed. Um, 384 00:28:40,589 --> 00:28:42,488 so do you see any problem with that? If we 385 00:28:42,528 --> 00:28:46,955 had, we had that. Uh, there would be no problem 386 00:28:46,976 --> 00:28:53,834 with that. All right. Thank you. Any. Other questions. Um, 387 00:28:53,855 --> 00:28:56,394 just one more question. Just, you know, this, we're dealing 388 00:28:56,394 --> 00:28:58,234 with the minor variances. I know the neighbours have brought 389 00:28:58,234 --> 00:29:01,674 up the grading and drainage. Isn't there a relatively large, 390 00:29:01,674 --> 00:29:04,314 uh, deposit as part of the planet television that's being 391 00:29:04,314 --> 00:29:06,474 put forth to the town that if there is issues, 392 00:29:06,474 --> 00:29:08,714 I mean, the town could threaten to take some of 393 00:29:08,714 --> 00:29:12,074 that money that's been part of the LC or bond 394 00:29:12,335 --> 00:29:15,674 and put it towards the town going out and repairing 395 00:29:15,714 --> 00:29:19,114 things. I mean, it's just a consideration. Yeah, that would 396 00:29:19,114 --> 00:29:25,844 come through there are securities held. With a town. The 397 00:29:25,884 --> 00:29:30,804 Applicant had to submit those. Um, and our engineer Ainley, 398 00:29:30,804 --> 00:29:34,564 uh, the, um, consulting engineer for the town is working 399 00:29:34,665 --> 00:29:38,644 with the Applicants engineer. However, if it does get to 400 00:29:38,684 --> 00:29:41,044 that point, there are securities that we can draw on. 401 00:29:42,421 --> 00:29:43,200 Okay. Perfect. Thank you. 402 00:29:53,617 --> 00:29:56,076 Yeah. I mean, simply put, I just think, uh, there 403 00:29:56,076 --> 00:29:58,956 should be a, uh, just the plan tied to it 404 00:29:59,137 --> 00:30:01,916 that the lots are specific to what is redlined. Like 405 00:30:01,916 --> 00:30:04,616 I don't know, honestly, don't think it's a, any, uh, 406 00:30:04,657 --> 00:30:07,516 issue pertaining to the developer, uh, they came in with 407 00:30:07,697 --> 00:30:10,476 a specific application. It's to do a specific grading issue. 408 00:30:10,476 --> 00:30:12,556 So if we tied it to a site plan or 409 00:30:12,577 --> 00:30:16,876 those specific areas or lots, um, simple enough, I just 410 00:30:16,876 --> 00:30:21,196 suggest the condition specifying that the variances are as approved 411 00:30:21,937 --> 00:30:26,316 are tied to the, uh, redline revisions that were submitted 412 00:30:26,337 --> 00:30:32,225 as part of the application. Is that okay, Justin? Three 413 00:30:32,265 --> 00:30:34,065 year, Mr. Chair. I'm just going to suggest some language 414 00:30:34,105 --> 00:30:36,705 here that I'll get feedback in real time for my 415 00:30:36,705 --> 00:30:40,225 senior planner on. It would be resolved that the town 416 00:30:40,225 --> 00:30:43,345 of Arian Committee Adjustment hereby approves, semi - variance application 417 00:30:43,606 --> 00:30:48,766 A07 - 26. Subject to the following condition that the 418 00:30:48,787 --> 00:30:52,286 relief granted shall be limited to the red line revisions 419 00:30:52,326 --> 00:30:58,086 to draft plan of subdivision file number 23t, 2102, as 420 00:30:58,086 --> 00:31:03,159 submitted with minor variance application A07 - 26. And that 421 00:31:03,199 --> 00:31:05,879 would, Jessica, can you provide feedback on that? Is that 422 00:31:05,879 --> 00:31:09,659 language sounding okay to you as a condition. Yeah. Could 423 00:31:09,699 --> 00:31:12,619 you just repeat it one more time, Justin? Sure. So 424 00:31:12,619 --> 00:31:15,019 the condition would be that the relief granted shall be 425 00:31:15,059 --> 00:31:18,699 limited to the red line revisions to draft plan of 426 00:31:18,739 --> 00:31:25,819 subdivision, file number 23t 21002 as submitted with minor variance 427 00:31:25,859 --> 00:31:33,010 application A07 - 26. Yes, that would be fine. Okay. 428 00:31:33,191 --> 00:31:36,130 So Mr. Chair, through you, that would still require a 429 00:31:36,231 --> 00:31:39,570 mover and seconder and reasons for the committee. But I 430 00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:43,224 will just put that forward. As a proposed condition if 431 00:31:43,224 --> 00:31:53,009 the committee were desirous of including that. Committee 432 00:31:53,009 --> 00:31:58,289 adjustment here might approve some minor variance application A07. That's 433 00:31:58,289 --> 00:32:03,147 26. Sends the applicant means the planning activist for minor 434 00:32:03,187 --> 00:32:09,310 variants being. The requested variants that you're concerned. Hang on 435 00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:11,550 a second. Sorry about that. DD me to start back. 436 00:32:12,947 --> 00:32:15,726 Okay. So be it resolved that the town of your 437 00:32:15,827 --> 00:32:20,206 Committee of Adjustment hereby approves a minor variance application A07 438 00:32:20,227 --> 00:32:27,395 - 26. With the following conditions. That the relief granted 439 00:32:27,435 --> 00:32:29,875 shall be limited to the red line revisions to draft 440 00:32:30,136 --> 00:32:35,715 plan of subdivision file number 23t - 21002 as submitted 441 00:32:35,755 --> 00:32:41,355 with minor variance application A07 - 26. Thanks, Justin. Um, 442 00:32:41,636 --> 00:32:46,095 as the Application meets the planning Act test for minor 443 00:32:46,135 --> 00:32:50,975 variants being the requested variance, they're considered minor in nature. 444 00:32:50,975 --> 00:32:54,735 The variances are desirable for the appropriate development of or 445 00:32:54,775 --> 00:32:57,775 use of the land building or structure, the general intent 446 00:32:57,815 --> 00:33:01,535 and purpose of the zoning bylaws maintained and the general 447 00:33:01,575 --> 00:33:04,575 intent and purpose of the official plan is maintained. Do 448 00:33:04,615 --> 00:33:08,851 I have a mover and secondary for this motion. Yes, 449 00:33:08,891 --> 00:33:13,164 member Eltrood, I'll move it. Member Parkinson will second it. 450 00:33:14,749 --> 00:33:23,996 All those in favor. Carrie. And I will now adjourn 451 00:33:23,996 --> 00:33:28,156 the meeting at, um, 633 PM.