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Good evening. I'm calling to order the

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Town of Fairfax Town Council meeting.

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Today is Wednesday, August 5th,

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and um

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like to call to order. And uh do you

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want to do a roll call, please?

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>> Yes, Mayor.

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Council member Blash

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>> here. Council member Garangelli

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>> here.

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>> Council member Kohler

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>> here. Vice Mayor Ager. Mayor Helman,

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>> I'm here.

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And will you join me with the p for the

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pledge of allegiance, please?

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» To of the United States of America and

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to the republic for which it stands, one

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nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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» Thank you. Okay. Um, we had a closed

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meeting uh that we began at 4:15 this

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afternoon and there were no findings or

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no report nothing to report out. Is that

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correct Janet? Okay.

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Um, so before we approve the agenda, I'm

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thinking we want to make uh a tweak

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which would be to put the presentation

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celebrating

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Linda Neil with a proclamation for her.

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um

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before

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public expression before open time.

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>> I'll make that motion.

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>> I'll second.

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>> All in favor?

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>> I

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>> Any nays?

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>> Hearing none. Motion passes. Okay,

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moving on. Uh I'll read the land

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acknowledgement. The town council

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acknowledges that we are located on the

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unseated ancestral lands of the coast

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Miwok people of present-day Marin

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County. We honor with gratitude the land

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itself and all of its ancestors, past,

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present, and emerging.

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Meeting protocol. The mayor or presiding

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officer shall maintain order at all

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council meetings. Council members share

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responsibility for modeling respectful

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professional conduct to effectively

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facilitate the meeting and encourage

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meaningful civic participation.

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All participants, including council

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members, staff, members of the public,

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and remote attendees are expected to

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engage respectfully. Profane language,

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personal attacks, ridicule of character

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or motives, and discriminatory or

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harassing conduct are not permitted.

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To ensure all voices can be heard,

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disruptive behavior, including shouting,

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repeated interruptions,

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etc. is not permitted during public

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comment or council deliberations.

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Participants are asked to silence their

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electronic devices.

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The mayor or presiding officer may issue

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a reminder or warning to address

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disruptions. Meetings will adjourn no

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later than 11 p.m. And at approximately

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9:30 p.m., the council will review the

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agenda to determine which remaining

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items may be continued.

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So with that, we shall proceed. Um,

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town managers report, please.

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Thank you, mayor. Um, I wanted to give

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some construction updates on our

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roadways.

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>> A little bit louder, please. How's this?

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A little better. Is this better? Okay,

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thank you. Um, we currently um we are

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currently approximately uh a half of the

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way through the town's project on Park

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Road, the storm water improvements and

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paving project. Um, and that is still

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scheduled to be completed by the end of

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September. So, [snorts] you may have

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seen that um uh construction work um

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happening. The Ros Valley Sanitary

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District project is wrapping up on the

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pro um Park Road section and will

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continue on Merwin for the next uh few

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more weeks. The schedule for the

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downtown section on Broadway is being

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adjusted and updates will be available

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as details become available. So, I'll

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bring that back to a future meeting and

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we also use the newsletter for updates

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on that. Um and we do have uh links to

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the project page on our newsletter.

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Um the West Bray and Al Lima road areas

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are scheduled to start in early

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September and the Oak Road area will be

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completed by the end of February. Um and

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then uh the Marin Water uh project that

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I know um everyone has been looking at

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is on hold and there's currently no

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estimate of when it will restart. So,

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just letting you know that um once the

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Ross Valley Sanitary District project is

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uh back in downtown, the work uh may

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require one-way traffic on Broadway near

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the Bolinus intersection and possibly a

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closure near Bank Street. Um with

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traffic detourred through nearby

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residential streets or onto Sir Francis

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Drake. Uh we have informed the

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contractor that if traffic congestion

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compromises emergency vehicle access,

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work would have to be suspended until an

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acceptable alternative is implemented.

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And uh one option currently under

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consideration is performing the work

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that portion of the work during

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nighttime hours. And of course that

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comes with other challenges. So um uh

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being considered fire station 21's

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remodel is uh underway. Firefighters are

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currently living in the temporary

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quarters at the community center. More

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information on that later um in our

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discussion tonight. Uh council met uh as

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you just mentioned in close session

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earlier tonight to discuss labor negoti

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negotiations with SEIU. So that process

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is ongoing. And then I wanted to give

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you a little preview for the September

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2nd council meeting. Um topics will

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include a badge pinning ceremony for uh

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the police department newer employees

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and people who've been promoted. Uh very

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proud of that. A presentation from the

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Marin Emergency Services on the Marin

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Emergency Operations Plan. I know that's

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of interest for folks. And then uh uh

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possibly a presentation on the town's

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fleet electrification plan that we've

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been working on. So with that,

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>> you're saying all three of those will be

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on the September agenda.

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>> That's the plan. Of course, subject to

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discussion with the mayor and vice

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mayor.

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>> Um, and so, uh, I'll take any questions

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if you have or just move along.

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» Just a question. maybe for Kristen, but

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school's going to start in about a week

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and a half. And I know the plan is to do

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slurry on Glen Drive.

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That is White Hill School. Plenty of

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parents do drop off pick off pickup. Are

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we planning on doing the slurry before

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I know that it was the original plan,

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but I do need to follow up with S and

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Selmo about the schedule of the project.

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difficult. We'll get a lot of complaints

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if school has already started. So, just

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to the extent that you can work around

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that, that'd be great.

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» Were you finished, Heather?

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>> I think Council Member Blash has a

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>> Okay, go ahead, Lisa. Okay, everyone's

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asking about this. I'm sure we probably

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don't know, but do we know why Marin

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I do. [laughter]

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the rancheria, the great great as far as

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um appropriately place the artifacts

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um on the in the watershed. So, they're

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having a lot of discussions for that.

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>> Thank you.

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>> And Heather, did you mention the CA

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Cascade Canyon Bridge project in your

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starting Marin um parks is starting that

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project. uh building the bridges there

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for um people to use the trails and um

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we have a link on our website and in our

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newsletters to their project page.

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>> Great. And a lot of this information is

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provided in the newsletter. So if you're

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not subscribed, I highly recommend that

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you do that. Um okay,

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future agenda items. I have a handful. I

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also have a couple of announcements, but

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I will go down the line and ask if any

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of my colleagues have future agenda

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topics.

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>> I do. Yes. Thank Thank you, Mayor. Um,

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you know, school's getting ready to

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start here and a number of of the of the

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cities and towns in Marin are lowering

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speed limits by schools uh down to 15

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miles an hour and I'm just wondering at

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what point will we be doing that? The

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state law gives us until 2031 to to to

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post 15 mph speed limits in school

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zones, but um uh that's a if if we don't

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get it done by the

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2031, the state's going to come in and

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do it for us. So I'm just wondering how

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do we have it on a schedule to try to

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the relationship or the relevance with

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the um bicycle pedestrian advisory

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commission and I thought

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>> I don't know I think that project is

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delayed but when is that going to be on

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the agenda?

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come back to the council in October. Um,

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so that's our plan. And, um, uh, Vice

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Mayor Edgar, you did give us a list of

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streets that you thought would be good

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candidates for lowering, um, uh, speed

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limits, and that did get communicated to

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the bicycle pedestrian committee as

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well. And, um, then the committee is

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working with the, um, consultant to

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prepare the final report and then that

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report would come to the council. And I

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did want to mention that uh Manor is

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already in process of slowing their

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speed limits because that's in the

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county's jurisdiction and the countyy's

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doing it there for the school.

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with speed limits, it's in school

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locations. Um Ross Valley Charter School

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is is on the St. Rita's property and and

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that's going to have to go to 15 miles

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an hour there. We have a school crossing

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also right there between the church and the library. Um, White Hill School.

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their playing fields at Lefty Gomez

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Fields. It's all school frontage

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property and and and

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to my knowledge that's going to have to

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be posted 15 miles an hour also that

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section through there. I don't know if the if the bicycle pedestrian

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committee is looking at school zones and

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15 mph limits, but we're going to have

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to deal with it pretty soon because

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school's about to start.

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>> Um, that's all been included and I

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forwarded them all of your street

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segments and have asked that it be

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included in the report so that we all

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have it in front of us to to act on.

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I've I've asked for you of staff like

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I'm very much hoping and expecting this

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to be covered in the recommendation or

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the proposal that comes from BPAC.

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>> Oh that that'll be in October. That'll

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be almost a year and a half from when

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they started.

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>> But I don't know. I mean

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I don't know that Steph has a lead type

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to do anything sooner.

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Anything else?

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>> Okay. Any other future agenda topics?

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>> Okay, I have a couple and then we will

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proceed. So

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um the first is so Mina Kim who leads

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the uh Fairfax Chamber of Commerce

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met with town manager Abrams and myself

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and

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planning director Jeff Bisoner and Chief

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Rico Tabberonzo was there and I think uh

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Christine Foster was there as well.

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we were talking about, you know,

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she's doing a lot of downtown

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um events to create more vibrancy and

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vitality. And there's a problem with

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lead time to for small businesses or

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even in our town properties to like host

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an event with enough lead time. our our

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processes requires like two plus months

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to go through the planning commission

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and it also costs $2,000 and it's really

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not

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uh effective or efficient or fair. Um

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and so we had a meeting it's really

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complex. I think all of us would love to

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just have some term turnkey solution but

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uh we certainly didn't come up with it

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in that meeting. So I would like to

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request a discussion on that. We need a

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solution so that our downtown businesses

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and Mina can you know develop a concept

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and be able to execute on it within you

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know 60 90 days.

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So it seems reasonable to me. Does

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anybody have any questions or is this

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something that we can ask the planning

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commission to focus on? I would suggest

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that you um at the next planning

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commission meeting have Jeff discuss it

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with them first because that will also

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be before our next meeting and

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>> okay my concern with that is that

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there's a lot they they already have a

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pretty long list of things they're

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trying to t tackle um that haven't come

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back to council yet including like dark

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sky you know all sorts of things

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>> I don't hear it

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>> so you want to I mean do what is the

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proto I guess That's what I need to

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know. Like, can it come here or does it

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need to go to planning commission?

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>> Um, mayor, I think we would need to um

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determine all of the code sections that

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would need to be changed and then um

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whether those have to go through the

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planning commission because they are

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zoning, which I don't believe they're

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mostly zoning. I would have to confer

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with our attorney. Uh right, because

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zoning has to go through planning before

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it comes to the council. Um and uh then

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we could um come back with

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[clears throat] a a plan of how we would

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fix those, but um it it it it will take

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a little time unfortunately.

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>> Okay.

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>> I would be interested in starting the

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process. Um, I'd just like to, you know,

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if it if it makes sense to do so just

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because I know they're concerned and

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they want to put on a lot of events. So,

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it would be interesting to get it going.

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>> I Mike is having some comments that I

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can't hear. So, will you turn your mic?

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>> I'm sorry.

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I

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>> think we should be able to bring things

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to the council when a council member

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asks for it. I'm for that. I think

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things get stuck in these committees and

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takes too long to get something done.

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Go ahead, mayor, if if you don't mind.

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Um, so, uh,

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again, I'll be corrected if I'm wrong by

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the attorney, but, um, uh, the council

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could make a direct referral on some

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action, but we just we need to make sure

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we have all of the um sections detailed

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out. And then also um that zoning, if

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it's a zoning issue, that really does

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have to go through planning first.

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Okay. All right. Um, Janet, I'm going to

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get with you on what how to how how we

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can streamline this.

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It sounds like I mean, it sounds like it

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could take a year and I'm really trying

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to help Mina do a good job, which we all

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want her to be able to do, right? All of

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us are, I think, aligned on that. If

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you're talking about code changes and

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you're talking about changes to the

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zoning code, it's statemandated. It's

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required by law that they go through the

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planning commission first and they have

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a recommendation to the council. So, and things like we can't notice an item

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like that for council um until after the

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planning commission has taken action and

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it's a 10-day notice. I mean those are

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the things that are built in that that

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may take time and there's nothing we can

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do to shorten that legally.

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>> Okay.

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All right. More more to come on that

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surely. Um I also wanted to um

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announce to the community if you're not

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already aware. Um so a lot of uh

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discussion and announcements have come

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out of Ross Valley Sanitation District

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as well as Central Marin Sanitation

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Agency. Uh recently CMSA

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um voted to increase our qu our

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quarterly treatment costs by 50% and

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that's on top of recent findings that

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for the past 12 years Ross Valley

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residents have been overcharged

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and so they are looking for a solution

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related to being overcharged for over a

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decade. Um it sounds like it's going to

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mediation, but this council does not

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have a liaison

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um to the Ross Valley sanitation

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district and I really think we need more

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transparency and more engagement with

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both of those agencies. Um it could on

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the low end it would be a couple hundred

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dollars um credit or due to a Fairfax

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household. So that the the upside the or

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the the top end could be thousands of

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dollars because we have so much more

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storm water in our area. So I would like

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this council to support two things. One,

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a presentation

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um invite Ross Valley Sanitation

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District, the general manager, Steven

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Moore, to present on all of the above.

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And number two, I'd like to see um a

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designated person on our council to stay

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connected to what's happening.

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So I don't know if that's a separate

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action item to support or deny a

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liaison, but I personally feel it's

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really important right now and it could

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be a temporary thing. But I mean the way

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I learned about it was,

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you know, because I have relationships,

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but I tend to think most of the

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community is not aware.

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Um, speaking first to the um, uh, idea

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of having a presentation from Steve

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Moore, the um, GM for Ross Valley

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Sanitation District. Um, I'm happy to

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reach out to him and arrange that.

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>> Okay, great. Thank you. Any thoughts

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about um, the liaison?

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Are we okay with getting that on the

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agenda for

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October?

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>> I would like to know more what that

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looks like. It see it's not like sitting

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on, you know, the TAM board or the fire

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board. It's like what we would send a

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sign a council member to

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>> I mean I'm the leazison for the Ross

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Valley School District. You stay

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>> develop those relationships. You read

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the packets. You know you

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>> Okay. So you want to you just want to

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>> accountable for what's going

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>> a designated liaison for RBSD as like what we rotate every year type of

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thing.

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>> Yeah. But we don't have it today and

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maybe it's a temporary thing and but I

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think for the next six months or so we need more oversight. So I would

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suggest that we put it on as a agenda

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item and I'm just going to throw this

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out there. Frank, don't kill me. But

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given that you were on the Ross Valley

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Sanitary District for a number of years,

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you might be a great person for that

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because you already know the system.

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>> Well, can we appoint Frank right now?

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>> No, we can't. But just try to put that

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on the on the September agenda if

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possible. Sorry. Um, everyone, I'm I am

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going to move right along. Um, there was

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one other thing that I had. Uh, as far

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as announcements, we have bingo night on

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the 14th. We have sidewalk CPR on the

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15th in Bolinus Park. We have the

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townwide picnic on August 30th.

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And we have the ribbon cutting for Laf

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floor uh this Saturday at 10:00 a.m.

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So with that, I think we're ready for

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open time for public.

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Oh, that's right. We changed it. Linda,

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this is your time. This is the good part

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of the meeting. There's lots of good

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parts.

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Um,

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so our our dear dear dear Linda Neil has

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announced her retirement. And when was

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your last day?

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July 6th. Okay.

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Well, I'm really honored to be

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presenting this to you this evening,

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Linda. Um,

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this is a proclamation in recognition of

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honoring Linda Neil for 40 years of

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service.

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Um

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whereas Linda Neil is a principal

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planner extraordinaire having devoted

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more than 40 years of her career to the

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people of the town of Fairfax.

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And whereas Linda moved to San Rafale at

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the age of two, graduated from San

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Rafale High School in 1979 and from the

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University of California Davis in 1983

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and began her planning career with Yolo

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County before being hired by the town of

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Fairfax as assistant planner on July

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7th, 1986.

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And she never left.

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And since childhood, Linda has had a

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gift for making people feel welcome. As

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far back as 1968, a young newcomer's

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family arriving from New York with no

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friends in the neighborhood found

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themselves put at ease by a quick-witted

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girl with a marvelous laugh, the same

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warmth she would later bring to guiding

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residents through what can often be a

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complex, unforgiving planning process.

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And whereas Linda's arrival at town hall

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followed one of town manager Charles

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Kate's earliest and best hiring

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decisions. appointing a bright young

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graduate of UC Davis to the town

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planning department. And the rest, as

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they say, is history.

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And Linda knows more about the planning

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and zoning sections of Fairfax Town Code

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in her little finger than most learn

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after studying it for years and

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understands the town's codes,

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ordinances, and history better than

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anyone else. And Linda has always

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brought a factual, straightforward,

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non-nonsense approach and an exceptional

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work ethic to her service. Often the

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first to arrive, always available to the

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public and tackling every task with

544
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,919
impeccable care.

545
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:34,159
And whereas known throughout town as

546
00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:36,320
approachable and fair, Linda built

547
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,080
strong relationships across every

548
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,760
department and worked patiently

549
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,840
alongside residents coming before the

550
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,240
planning commission to help shape

551
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,039
projects that could win approval. And

552
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,600
whereas when called upon, Linda stepped

553
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,080
forward to serve as the town's interim

554
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,120
planning director director, a role she

555
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,279
took on bravely and performed with

556
00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,360
distinction. And throughout her tenure,

557
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,279
she has been quite simply the

558
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,240
institutional memory of the town. Even

559
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,279
if a flood if a flood were to wash the

560
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,840
old paper records down the creek, Linda

561
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,600
would still remember the history of

562
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,720
seemingly every parcel in Fairfax and

563
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,320
the countless planning commission

564
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,840
package she prepared over the years

565
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,000
would stand taller than the redwoods. If

566
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,840
stacked, would stand taller than the

567
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,480
redwoods. And whereas across four

568
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,520
decades, Linda has been the one constant

569
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,080
at town hall as colleagues came and

570
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,039
went, working alongside eight town

571
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:38,480
administrators and managers, 11 planning

572
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,840
directors, eight public work directors,

573
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,440
and six town clerks and deputy clerks,

574
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,000
five building officials, five police

575
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,720
chiefs, and six front counter

576
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,360
administrative assistants. And while she

577
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,840
told her sorry and while she and while

578
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,720
some told her she was crazy to stay so

579
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,520
long, the truth is simply that she is a

580
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,080
happy person who genuinely loves the

581
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,559
town of Fairfax.

582
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,640
And whereas Linda is a consumate

583
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,480
professional in an institution in

584
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,039
Fairfax, a wonderful person with a great

585
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,760
sense of humor, an always ready laugh,

586
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,840
and a gift for the entertaining bit of

587
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,799
Fairfax color drawn from her decades in

588
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:24,960
town, a warm and easy manner, and a

589
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,919
smiling face that all who visited the

590
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,640
front counter came to know. And whereas

591
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,440
Linda lovingly cared for the town cat

592
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,240
root beer for years, taking him to the

593
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,720
vet, feeding him well, and playing with

594
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,960
him daily, as he lulled about on her

595
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,520
desk in a cushioned box by day and

596
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,880
hunted by night, dearly loved by all.

597
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,600
And whereas Linda took over the care and

598
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,440
feeding of the koi and the large

599
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,520
goldfish in the little pond in front of

600
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,840
town hall, tending to them faithfully

601
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,000
and leaving us to wonder who will care

602
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,590
for them next.

603
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,760
And whereas Linda has cherished the

604
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,320
small welcoming charisma of Fairfax and

605
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,720
its interesting residents, the fantastic

606
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,760
hikes to be had on a 1-hour lunch break

607
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,243
and crossing the creek to come back

608
00:27:14,243 --> 00:27:16,720
[snorts] to sorry and crossing the creek

609
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,640
to come face to face with owls,

610
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,120
raccoons, deer, and fawns while entering

611
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,760
through the town hall back door along

612
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,240
with small kindnesses like police

613
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440
dispatcher Vanessa's smile at a gift of

614
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,840
homegrown tomatoes and finding meaning

615
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,159
in public service even when the work is

616
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:36,480
exhausting and can feel thankless

617
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,039
because serving the public is its own

618
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,039
reward.

619
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,880
And whereas beyond town hall, Linda

620
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,640
treasures her family and delights in

621
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,799
spending time with them and is known to

622
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,360
enjoy Marin County Fair and its carnival

623
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,159
rides. And whereas Linda's commitment,

624
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:55,520
knowledge, and service have left la left

625
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,080
a lasting impact on our community, and

626
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,840
she will be dearly missed by staff, the

627
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,840
town council, planning commissioners,

628
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,520
and the many, many residents and

629
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,520
applicants who had the good fortune to

630
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,279
work with her. And whereas it is now

631
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,440
time for Linda to move on to her

632
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,000
welldeserved retirement.

633
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,960
Now therefore be it proclaimed that in

634
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240
acknowledgment of more than 40 years of

635
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,720
hard work, dedication, and tremendous

636
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,200
service to Fairfax and the larger

637
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,679
community, the town council of the town

638
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:32,480
of Fairfax extends its deepest

639
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,080
gratitude, appreciation, and admiration

640
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,480
to Linda Neil. And be it further

641
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720
proclaimed that the town of Fairfax is

642
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,200
in a far better place because Linda Neil

643
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,360
came to work as our planner in 1986

644
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,279
and that August 5th, 2026 is hereby

645
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:55,120
proclaimed Linda Neil Day in the town of

646
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,990
Fairfax.

647
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,559
We love you, Linda.

648
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,600
Do you want to say a few words?

649
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,120
We'd

650
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,279
love to you to say a few words. Yeah,

651
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,520
they have a

652
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,240
>> picture.

653
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,430
>> Yeah, I will.

654
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,039
» You have

655
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:20,720
>> I have to get real close. Okay. I've

656
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,919
never used one of these. I always have

657
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:24,000
the ones that are hooked up. So, as the

658
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,919
reszo said, I did start coming to

659
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:27,440
Fairfax when I was two because my

660
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,200
parents loved hiking in the lakes above

661
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,799
Fairfax. So, the first time I was in a

662
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,600
baby backpack at the age of two, right?

663
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,279
Then one of my other favorite memories

664
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,760
is going to the Sleeping Lady Cafe,

665
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,240
which was a great music v venue right um

666
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,799
by the car repair place. And we were so

667
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:44,640
stupid, all these high school kids. We

668
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,000
park at the park right by the car place.

669
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,840
We crack open our beers and we hear this

670
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,840
little tap tap tap and this hand's going

671
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,559
like this. And a Fairfax police officer

672
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:58,000
told us right by town hall, "Get out of

673
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,320
the car, ladies, and pour out your beer,

674
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,320
right?" And we're all we're going to be

675
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440
arrested, freaking out. He says, "Lock

676
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,360
the door, go to the cafe, and remember,

677
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,679
drinking and driving is dangerous." So

678
00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:11,440
that was my high school in Fairfax,

679
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,760
right? High school time. And then, of

680
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,799
course, when my dad um got to be 102, we

681
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,159
still were bringing him to the lakes

682
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:20,240
because he loved going there. And so

683
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,840
it's I've been coming to Fairfax for a

684
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,760
long long time. Almost my whole life.

685
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,080
And I'm going to miss everybody.

686
00:30:26,080 --> 00:31:42,549
Thanks for having me though.

687
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,399
I know I know that all of us have

688
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:45,760
comments and then we'll take public

689
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,080
comment as well. It sounds like

690
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,600
Heather's

691
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,679
giving a little

692
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:52,960
parting gift.

693
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,552
>> So, our No, but don't don't drop it.

694
00:31:56,552 --> 00:31:57,600
[laughter]

695
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,240
Um, so we started a tradition a few

696
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,679
years ago here in Fairfax of giving um a

697
00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:07,360
handmade platter from a local artist

698
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,480
with um the retirees

699
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,640
um information on it and a um artist

700
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,279
rendering of the town seal. So that's

701
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,000
what's inside.

702
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,600
>> Thank you, Linda.

703
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640
>> Very nice.

704
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,120
>> Who wants to speak first? Okay. Deep

705
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,799
breath, Bobs.

706
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,840
>> Be brief. Okay.

707
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,760
I just want to say one thing

708
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,720
before I start that Linda told me that

709
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,840
she ate her first taco as a little girl

710
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,640
at Michael Macintosh's house. So,

711
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,120
I remember that. Um, I just want to say,

712
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,600
Linda, you've been such a fountain of

713
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,080
knowledge and um I can't believe you're

714
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,630
gone. Um,

715
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,480
yeah. And I think Mark is still

716
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,120
processing it too. We all are. But I

717
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,159
just want to say you've been just an

718
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:07,760
amazing,

719
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,039
you know, encyclopedia for all of us.

720
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,120
Um, just going to you when we have

721
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,640
questions.

722
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,399
You seem to know everything and we love

723
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:22,080
that. and hopefully um some people

724
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,880
absorb that um in your last three

725
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,799
months. I also want to say you've been a

726
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:29,039
dear friend to me and to my wonderful

727
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,919
cat Michelle who misses you dearly.

728
00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:34,640
Michelle take um takes care of Linda

729
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,919
when I'm away and um just Linda you've

730
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:43,120
just been such a wonderful employee and

731
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,480
40 plus years it's closer to 41 years.

732
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,640
So, thank you for all your contributions

733
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,919
to our town. We will miss you dearly.

734
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:58,230
Thank you.

735
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,559
» Well, I'll speak. I'll You want to go?

736
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,159
>> Sure.

737
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:04,000
This was a while back before I was

738
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,320
elected to the town council and uh when

739
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,879
was that? 2024. and I was at a planning

740
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:11,440
commission meeting and uh you know what

741
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,240
we're going to miss most about Linda not

742
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,359
being here is her institutional memory.

743
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:19,280
We may have to hire her back under under

744
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,359
contract to bring her in from time to to to go through our records and

745
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:25,599
help us out. But uh I was at a plan, you

746
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,040
know, it's being that she was really the

747
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,560
planning director. Whatever whatever you

748
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,159
want to call it, she was the planning

749
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,639
director and and had to make some really

750
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,879
tough decisions. Sometimes we would red

751
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:39,440
tag someone for zoning violations. So I

752
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,879
was in the audience. This is a few years

753
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:43,760
ago out here. And uh there's a there's

754
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,560
an applicant who's really upset. He got

755
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,960
red he was red tagged. This is up on uh

756
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,960
Wood Lane. And uh and and he was he had

757
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,240
permits to build a a lot of stuff, but

758
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,400
he was just going off building his own

759
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,680
thing that he wanted. He wasn't

760
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,680
following his plans. And and so he got

761
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,240
redtagged. So he's he's ranting and

762
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,160
raving here at the meeting telling about

763
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,920
how terrible it is dealing with Fairfax.

764
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,119
He said, "Yeah, between Linda Neil and

765
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:12,800
Frank Agger, it's really tough around

766
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,880
here." Oh my gosh. So here was Linda and Frank. We were in the same

767
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,359
bag. How about that, huh? Anyway, Linda,

768
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:21,839
thank you so very much. Rita is going to

769
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:26,470
miss you, too.

770
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,240
» I'll just say something quick. I didn't

771
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,000
get to work with you as much as I would

772
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,960
have liked to, but um I so enjoyed your

773
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,720
um spirit in the office and your sort of

774
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,800
cand do attitude. And I just remember we

775
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,640
were trying to tour some possible open

776
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,520
space acquisitions and it's like you

777
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,960
knew totally knew the area, you knew all

778
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,400
the neighbors and you were like, let's

779
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,000
just like crawl down that bank and into

780
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
the creek and through the water and um I

781
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,680
just was like, yeah, let's do it. This

782
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,040
is like awesome. I can't believe we have

783
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,119
a town employee who's just like can do

784
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,520
this. So anyway, you're just uh

785
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,839
appreciated for um you know, like people

786
00:35:57,839 --> 00:35:59,119
said, both your institutional knowledge,

787
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:00,720
but I just think also you just like a

788
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,480
spirit of adventure. So it was really

789
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,280
nice.

790
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,839
>> Do you want No, no, you

791
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:11,599
>> Yeah. Well, Fairfax,

792
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,680
one of the luckiest days for Fairfax is

793
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,800
when Linda Neil started that job. And

794
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,040
I've always pictured

795
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,599
people who work for Fairfax are people

796
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,240
who also know our community really well,

797
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:26,800
like like Linda did. Not only was she

798
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,440
great in town hall, but she knew so many

799
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,599
people outside of town hall. She was

800
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:34,720
literally friends with so many people.

801
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:39,520
Um, and I think that is a quality that

802
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,079
um is you just can't find these days.

803
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:46,560
And I and um I think that's a you're

804
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,160
irreplaceable.

805
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,880
And um I appreciate the time that all

806
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,320
the times you told me I was doing

807
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,520
something wrong and uh but all all that

808
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,359
aside,

809
00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:01,040
congratulations and um and it's welld

810
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,320
deserved and hope to see you around.

811
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,079
Thank you.

812
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,240
You're such a lovely human being and I'm

813
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,240
just so really appreciative of getting

814
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,320
to know you these past few years and

815
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,920
even with all of the, you know, the

816
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,560
craziness that the town experiences, you

817
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,400
just stay the course and you're very

818
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,920
positive and um the times that I've gone

819
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,720
out to you on sites have just been I

820
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,760
mean what you contain is is you're just

821
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,760
brilliant and it's the word is

822
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,400
absolutely you are irreplaceable. It's a

823
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,040
huge loss. Um but I'm also really really

824
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,280
happy for you and I also want to just

825
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,599
name the fact that you know early in my

826
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,480
tenure on the council

827
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,119
um you really to me showed a lot of

828
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:49,040
leadership that I learned from in terms

829
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,960
of you know when you presented something

830
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,119
and if I didn't necessarily vote in

831
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:57,920
alignment with your recommendation you know didn't take it personally I was

832
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,280
like worried that it would hurt our

833
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,200
relationship and it was never like that.

834
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,000
is very very professional and I just

835
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,760
really admire that about you because I

836
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,960
know you put in so much energy and time

837
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,359
and care into your your work. Um, and

838
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:14,720
I'm going to miss you dearly just

839
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,400
walking around. I remember the first

840
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,400
time I saw you walking up Manor Hill.

841
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,560
I'm like, are you are you like what what

842
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,200
are you doing? You why are you walking

843
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,280
up scenic? It's so hot. And you're like,

844
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480
no, no, I like I like to do that. So, I

845
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,960
just think it's I think you're wonderful

846
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,560
and beautiful. And I also wanted to

847
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,480
thank all the people who contributed to

848
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,400
the proclamation, namely Mimi Newton, um

849
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,079
who's a big fan of yours, as I'm sure

850
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:43,119
you know. And um with that we will open

851
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:57,829
the public comment.

852
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:00,000
This is a public comment on the Linda

853
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:08,069
Neil proclamation.

854
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,560
So, some of this has been said already,

855
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,880
but Linda has spent 40 years serving

856
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,160
this community. 40 years,

857
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,839
sorry, 40 years

858
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:22,160
knowing the history and mapping of the

859
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,640
town. During that time, she has no doubt

860
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,440
walked every road, looked at every

861
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,480
parcel more than once. That 40 years

862
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,200
also includes volunteer service to the

863
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,160
community. When Fairfax had a vibrant

864
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,960
volunteer organization, she volunteered

865
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,680
on the First Creek Cleanup effort, and

866
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,680
there are pictures.

867
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,599
Her love of the community included

868
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,599
taking care of the fish out in the pond

869
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:50,160
in front of the town hall, as well as

870
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,280
sharing her office space with the town's

871
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,640
rodent control officer. I recently spoke

872
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,560
with an individual that had a business

873
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,280
in town many years ago and still

874
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,359
remembers the help that Linda provided

875
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:06,240
her when she opened her business. Linda

876
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,359
believes strongly in customer service.

877
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:12,560
So, I want to congratulate Linda on her

878
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,119
retirement and acknowledge all we have

879
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:23,910
lost with her retirement.

880
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,839
I don't have anything too helpful to

881
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:29,910
add, but

882
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,800
Hi, Linda. I just wanted to let you guys

883
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,400
know that I'm going to be Linda's

884
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,400
campaign manager, and now she can be on

885
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,750
town council.

886
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,359
Um, I'd like to start by saying,

887
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:44,800
Stephanie, thank you very much for the

888
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,800
lovely proclamation. She is certainly

889
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,880
worthy of all the praise that you

890
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,640
brought forth tonight. and I personally

891
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,320
really appreciate it. Obviously, I've

892
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,400
known Linda for a long time and I've

893
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,720
known her as little kids, you know,

894
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,960
playing with snakes and everything else.

895
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,960
And all I can say is we'll certainly

896
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,839
miss her. I hope when our town reviews

897
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:06,319
pensions and everything else, she is the

898
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:08,560
person that's worthy of the largest

899
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,400
pensions that we can give to our

900
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,680
employees. She's been here for

901
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,319
everybody. She's been consistent. She's

902
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:16,640
a lovely person. And even if she

903
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,560
retires, I'm sure she'll still be back

904
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,119
here to help us. So to everybody, thank

905
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:22,560
you very much for the compliment you've

906
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:31,109
given her tonight.

907
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:32,480
» Okay.

908
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,000
>> Well,

909
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,888
>> this event kind of got me

910
00:41:36,888 --> 00:41:37,839
[clears throat and cough]

911
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:39,680
all poetic.

912
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,920
Okay. I decided I would read a limmerick

913
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,630
I have written for you.

914
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,680
In Fairfax, there toiled a planner named

915
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,359
Neil, processing projects with an odd

916
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:59,280
kind of zeal. She was nice with advice.

917
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,079
You'd go back for it twice. That was

918
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:09,190
just how good she made everyone feel.

919
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,880
Um, I also wrote you an ode which is a

920
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,599
little longer and I the town had it

921
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,319
framed for you. So I'm going to give you

922
00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:21,839
my ode as well. And there was a ha coup

923
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:24,640
but that's far too long a time to get

924
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:35,829
into the haiku too. there. Yeah.

925
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:39,760
» So, uh I want to thank Linda. Um missing

926
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,720
from the proclamation are the dozens of

927
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:44,720
town council members who you've put up

928
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:48,079
with over the last 40 years. So, and uh

929
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,280
I for one really appreciated it both as

930
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,520
a member of the council and also as a

931
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,920
resident cuz we did a couple building

932
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,640
projects that you helped us with and you

933
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,680
know treated us fairly and worked with

934
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,400
us and just you know so she is really

935
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,839
irreplaceable because she not only knows

936
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:13,680
the codes but she helped write the codes

937
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,200
and implement the codes. So, you're

938
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,200
really irreplaceable.

939
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,079
And on a on a more serious note, with

940
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,599
the new state housing mandate,

941
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,200
many of the characteristics of Fairfax,

942
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,440
the planning and zoning characteristics

943
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,359
are going to be overridden and have been

944
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:37,520
overridden by the state. So, some of the

945
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,599
work that she's done that's helped

946
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,079
create Fairfax, the physical environment

947
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,319
in Fairfax,

948
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,160
you know, this may be the fork in the

949
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,720
road when you leave,

950
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,280
but uh one thing is when you walk

951
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,920
through town, I hope you appreciate the

952
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,240
look and the feel of the town as we all

953
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:59,680
should. So, thanks. Thanks again, Linda,

954
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:06,150
and I'll see you around. Thank you.

955
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,079
Hi, Mayor and Council. Hi, Linda. I came

956
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,240
down here tonight to speak in support of

957
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,240
the proclamation, which is obviously

958
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,319
going to be unanimous. And um to thank

959
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:20,800
Linda for being a great colleague,

960
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,160
former colleague, a great as a resident,

961
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,720
you've been great keeping our town where

962
00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:30,160
it should be. Um Linda's a lot of fun.

963
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,000
We laughed a lot together. [laughter]

964
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,800
Many laughs. Linda's also an amazing

965
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:42,160
gardener and has a magic lemon tree.

966
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,319
That's Gary. [laughter]

967
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:47,440
Okay. Thank you, Gary.

968
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,119
Okay. Yeah, that's and that's the hard

969
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,720
part.

970
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:54,000
And uh anyway, I just I don't know what

971
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,680
you guys are going to do without Linda,

972
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,440
actually.

973
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:07,430
Congratulations.

974
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,240
It was about 25 years ago. I got myself

975
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,200
set up as my practice as an architect on

976
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,720
Blanus Road. And uh one day shortly

977
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,200
thereafter, I went over to the planning

978
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,200
department to introduce myself and I met

979
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,831
Linda

980
00:45:24,831 --> 00:45:28,000
[snorts] and uh described what I had in

981
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,760
mind. And Linda looked at me and said,

982
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,880
"Oh, you're the person that set up an

983
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,480
office on the ground floor, which flies

984
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,000
in the face of a very obscure section of

985
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,480
the code,

986
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,470
which

987
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,400
and when I tried to resolve that, it

988
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,119
involved the variance and at that time

989
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,000
you couldn't get variances in downtown

990
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,680
Fairfax.

991
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,839
So we had to go through a few changes

992
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,400
there. But anyway, there was another

993
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,960
thing that very few people know about in

994
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,680
this town is there was a period, I don't

995
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,520
know if it was two or three years when

996
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,200
there was no planning director and Linda

997
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,480
was left with the task of trying to make

998
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,599
a call on all these various problems

999
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:22,000
that came up. And few people know that

1000
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,680
she really relied upon

1001
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,560
this monkey to make a lot of the

1002
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,240
decisions

1003
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,720
for the planning department.

1004
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:37,599
And often you would have to

1005
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:41,680
state your case and then she would throw

1006
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,200
the monkey at you and the monkey would

1007
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,200
express its feeling. Now that my got a

1008
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,720
little old I don't know if you can hear

1009
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:59,109
her but she go like this

1010
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:03,280
» and hold on. So I just I would just say

1011
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,040
no no it's

1012
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:05,680
>> the key

1013
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,560
>> yours to play

1014
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,680
>> the other one.

1015
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,640
>> Yes. This there two of them. She wanted to get two opinions on

1016
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,960
everything. So, she had two monkeys, one

1017
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,760
of her own and that one. In any event,

1018
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,160
it all seems to worked out pretty well.

1019
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,079
And uh I've really had quite a

1020
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,560
meaningful relationship

1021
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,240
uh with Linda and the town. Should be

1022
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,880
very thankful for having all of her

1023
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,990
efforts for so many years.

1024
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,990
» Thank you. Next speaker.

1025
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Um, I have had the opportunity to walk

1026
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,280
into Linda's office, both as a member of

1027
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,000
the tree committee with questions about

1028
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,119
plans and also as a resident with

1029
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,920
questions about projects. And she has

1030
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,440
always been welcoming with a big smile.

1031
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,160
And uh, I'll never forget the wall of

1032
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,119
folders opposite her desk. and if I

1033
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,599
asked of something in history, she

1034
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:15,200
reached out. She knew exactly which

1035
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,400
folder to pick out. Um, I think not only

1036
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,640
has she been through many planning

1037
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,640
directors, but she's really trained

1038
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,599
planning directors and she is the she is

1039
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,280
the person at planning commission

1040
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,240
meetings if members of the commission

1041
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:33,440
are going in a direction that's not uh

1042
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,240
according to code, the person who brings

1043
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,119
them back and and knows the code. So, I

1044
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:40,000
don't know what we're going to do

1045
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,640
without you, but I'll certainly miss

1046
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:50,950
you.

1047
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,440
Um, Linda, there are there are some

1048
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,920
people um that you have to say goodbye

1049
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,599
to.

1050
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,319
And if you don't get to say goodbye, it

1051
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:07,119
just seems like the pass passage is

1052
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:08,800
incomplete.

1053
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,079
Uh, and when I found out that Linda was

1054
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,920
last day was when it was, I was

1055
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,040
compelled to be here because I could not

1056
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,200
leave the the path that Linda and I have

1057
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,079
shared in Fairfax and what Linda has

1058
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,119
done for Fairfax without thanking her

1059
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,680
and saying goodbye. Thank you. You're

1060
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,000
going to be a tough act to follow. Thank

1061
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:46,309
you.

1062
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:49,040
» Indeed, you are loved. Linda, is there

1063
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,160
any hands raised?

1064
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,440
>> We have one raised hand on Zoom. Mina,

1065
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,359
you are unmuted. You may now unmute

1066
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:57,680
yourself.

1067
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,280
>> Hi. Can you hear me?

1068
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,200
>> Yes. Um, I also wanted to say something

1069
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,680
and uh recognize Linda Neil on her

1070
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,359
retirement. Listening to everyone's

1071
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:09,760
stories tonight. It's clear just how

1072
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,839
many lives she's touched over these last

1073
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:14,400
40 years. Um, Linda's truly been a part

1074
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,200
of the fabric of Fairfax for decades. 40

1075
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,880
years of service is remarkable and with

1076
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,800
that comes an incredible amount of

1077
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,400
institutional knowledge that simply

1078
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,720
can't be replaced. From the chamber's

1079
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,559
perspective, Linda was always helpful.

1080
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:28,720
She knew the town processes inside and

1081
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,800
out. And while she was a careful steward

1082
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,480
of the rules, she was also someone you

1083
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,880
could call, ask questions, and count on

1084
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,960
to help you understand how to get things

1085
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,359
done the right way. I can't tell you how

1086
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:42,319
many businesses have commended Linda on

1087
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:45,119
her professionalism, consistency, and

1088
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,440
dedication. And I know that she's had a

1089
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,119
positive impact on anyone she's probably

1090
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:52,880
come in contact with, residents,

1091
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,000
businesses, staff, volunteers, me. Um,

1092
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,599
on behalf of the Fairfax Chamber of

1093
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:58,960
Commerce and the wider business

1094
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,520
community, thank you, Linda, so much for

1095
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,599
your decades of service to Fairfax. We

1096
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:05,440
wish you all the best in your retirement

1097
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,440
and hope to see you around town. Thank

1098
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,000
you.

1099
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,520
>> We have one more raised hand on Zoom.

1100
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,079
Mark. Mark, you are unmuted. You may now

1101
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,720
unmute yourself.

1102
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,319
>> Can you hear me?

1103
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:24,480
>> Yes. I just want to say it's been a

1104
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,960
wonderful 20 years uh working with

1105
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,200
Linda. Uh I miss her greatly and uh you

1106
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,680
know whenever I had uh some horrible

1107
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,319
dilemma that would come up I'd always

1108
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:38,400
say hey you know what do I do? What do I

1109
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,160
do? And one example was you know I

1110
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,240
get items from Amazon every once in a

1111
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,440
while. I got this Amazon box and it was

1112
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,640
on my desk. I open it up and it's a bra

1113
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,480
and panties

1114
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040
and it's to one of our co-workers, one

1115
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,200
of our gentleman co-workers. I said,

1116
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,800
"Linda, what do I do? What do I do? I

1117
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,640
don't know what to do with this." And

1118
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,240
she was calm and she said, "We'll just

1119
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,160
tape it up, put it on their desk. When

1120
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,839
they're not looking, we don't say

1121
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:08,160
anything. They won't say anything."

1122
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,000
Anyway, thank you so much for a

1123
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:17,750
wonderful 20 years, Linda.

1124
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,400
Oh my god.

1125
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,640
Okay. Oh, should we take a break? Should

1126
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:23,680
we take a break?

1127
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,119
>> Yeah, we're gonna take a five minute

1128
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,280
break so we can all give hugs and

1129
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,960
there's cookies and celebrating. We're

1130
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,440
going to con What time is it? It's We're

1131
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,520
going to reconvene in five minutes, but

1132
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,839
I think all of us want to say it

1133
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:43,190
farewell. Okay.

1134
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,839
Get your goodies and take a seat.

1135
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:50,000
We're going to resume. We've got couple

1136
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,160
of big items

1137
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,880
and I want to be in bed by what's what's

1138
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:15,670
the bet? 9:30

1139
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,880
Okay. Well, that was really wonderful

1140
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,880
and there's still some treats and some

1141
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,559
coffee. Um, we are now moving on to open

1142
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:28,640
time for public

1143
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,559
expression.

1144
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:32,240
And this is the time for the public to

1145
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,240
address the council on matters not on

1146
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,000
the agenda.

1147
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,640
Each speaker is limited to two minutes.

1148
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,800
The council cannot take action or

1149
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,720
discuss items that are not on the agenda

1150
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:45,200
as restricted by state law. If there are

1151
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,599
more speakers after 30 minutes, open

1152
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,440
time will continue at the end of the

1153
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,760
agenda.

1154
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,520
Okay, let's try to keep the chatter to a

1155
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,920
minimum. And with that, first speaker.

1156
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,680
Thank you.

1157
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,760
>> Good evening. I'm Michael Ardo, resident

1158
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,280
of Fairfax since birth in 1953. I'm here

1159
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,880
tonight to announce that the last

1160
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,760
weekend of August, the community will be

1161
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,480
celebrating the 75th anniversary diamond

1162
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,040
jubilee of our public high school since

1163
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,920
1951. Sir Francis Drake, now Archie

1164
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,480
Williams. as a proud Drake graduate when

1165
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,480
Archie Williams was my output teacher

1166
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,200
and track coach and a Septu teacher at

1167
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,680
the high school since 2017. This year

1168
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,920
I'm one of the people working diligently

1169
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,000
to help bring our community together to

1170
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,880
celebrate the school's milestone. The

1171
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,720
last Friday of August will be the golf

1172
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:36,960
tournament and that night school alumni

1173
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,720
music performance will be at various

1174
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:40,880
venues in the Ross and San Donimo

1175
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,119
valleys. On Sunday afternoon, August

1176
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,359
30th, there will be a Day on the Green

1177
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:47,760
picnic on campus with music. There will

1178
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,760
be historical displays in the student

1179
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,160
center, speaker presentations, and

1180
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,960
celebration cupcakes and ice cream while

1181
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,680
supplies last. Vintage Drake pirate

1182
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,480
athletic wear that will that we rescued

1183
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,240
from the school's athletic fieldhouse

1184
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,079
before demolition will be available on

1185
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:06,319
campus the last weekend of the month.

1186
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,160
The hundreds and hundreds of athletic

1187
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,160
clothing are worth thousands upon

1188
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,720
thousands of dollars. In lie of a small

1189
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,800
donation for the athletic wear, people

1190
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,040
can receive items for free by

1191
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,119
participating later this month in the

1192
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,000
passport puzzle program. Large green

1193
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000
capital letters will be in storefront or

1194
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,240
restaurant windows in Fairfax and San

1195
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,760
Samo

1196
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,119
similar to the annual hunt for the

1197
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:32,079
Fairfax art walk. Please look for the

1198
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:34,880
green diamond emblem. The weekend will

1199
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,359
culminate on Monday night, August 31st

1200
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,680
with the second annual Drake Archery

1201
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,599
Williams Athletic Hall of Fame dinner at

1202
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,760
Deer Park Villa. Everyone can

1203
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,520
participate the last weekend of August

1204
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,280
by wearing the school colors of green

1205
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,119
with white or black. As clues for the

1206
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,119
puzzle, next Thursday, August 13th, the

1207
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:52,799
new California historical landmark pot

1208
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:54,160
for Drake and the Golden Hinds landing

1209
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,040
in 1579 will be decim. This Sunday,

1210
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,640
August 9th, is the 9th anniversary of

1211
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,640
Archie Williams winning the Olympic gold

1212
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,880
medal in 1936. Thank you.

1213
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,359
>> Wonderful. Well, thank you. Next

1214
00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:07,760
speaker, please.

1215
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,760
>> Yes. My my name is Steve Werman. I live

1216
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,160
at One Meadow Way. I'm here to talk

1217
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,240
about my concern regarding the Meadowway

1218
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,960
Bridge utilities. Nancy and I agreed to

1219
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,040
a temporary easement agreement back in

1220
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,280
March. This July, your attorneys

1221
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,520
provided us with a new revised agreement

1222
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,960
after PG& asked for and got revisions.

1223
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,760
We requested what PG's revisions were,

1224
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,640
but haven't gotten a response. We added

1225
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,640
two sentences to protect our property,

1226
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,240
our pool area and solar panels. I don't

1227
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:41,280
trust PG&E. I understand that all the

1228
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,720
utility lines are to be placed

1229
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:45,119
underground permanently. We've had

1230
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,520
numerous meetings at the bridge with

1231
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,359
your with representatives from the town

1232
00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:51,040
and utilities and that's what we've been

1233
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,160
told. We put in solar panels in October

1234
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,520
of 2015 to do our part for climate

1235
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,240
change. In April 2018, PG Gen without

1236
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:02,240
notice to us tried to put a 60 ft

1237
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,240
utility pole which it would have blocked

1238
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,119
our panels. That's picture one. And it

1239
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:08,960
shows our house and it shows where where

1240
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,680
their um pole would have been. It took a

1241
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,760
year to get an anchor placed across

1242
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,440
Cascade. Just because PG says something

1243
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,240
doesn't mean it's true. In July, this

1244
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,119
last July, PG& without again notice put

1245
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,599
a taller utility pole on the north side

1246
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,160
of the Meadowway Bridge. It added a

1247
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,960
trans transformer type item. Picture two

1248
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,440
is the old pole and the new pole. You

1249
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,000
can see how tall it is. Picture three

1250
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,720
shows this transformer type item. I'm

1251
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,799
sure that down the line PG& will say

1252
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:42,880
that the utility wires have to be put

1253
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,200
back up, not underground because of this

1254
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,799
new pole. We have advised PG&E numerous

1255
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:50,960
times that it is silly and a waste of

1256
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,559
money to put new poles up when all the

1257
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:55,760
utilities are going to be going

1258
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,640
underground. You have seen TV ads with

1259
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,680
the woman of uh CEO of PG saying that

1260
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,359
they want to put them underground

1261
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:05,760
because it's a fire hazard and Cascade

1262
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,480
Canyon is a fire hazard. Thank Thank

1263
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,510
you. [music]

1264
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,400
» Hi, I'm Nancy Wasserman. Um, I'm a

1265
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,319
Fairfax resident who's lived on

1266
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:21,280
Meadowway for 41 years and on Cascade

1267
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,480
for seven for a total of 48 years in

1268
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,880
Cascades. And I've never talked to the

1269
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,680
council before. This is my first time.

1270
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,760
Um, I would like to speak also about the

1271
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,280
Meadowway Bridge, a little bit different

1272
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,000
from what Steve was talking about. With

1273
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,359
environmental studies starting in 2013

1274
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:41,920
and design changes and negotiations

1275
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,559
along the way, we still have no bridge.

1276
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:46,240
I live at the edge of the bridge and

1277
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,319
hear every car that crosses it. I have

1278
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:50,480
huge concerns for my neighbors and

1279
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,200
emergency vehicles driving over it. The

1280
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,680
Canyon Bridge went up in a month. The

1281
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,079
Bicycle Coalition, as you mentioned

1282
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,480
earlier, is beginning the Elliot

1283
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,319
Preserve bridges after one year of

1284
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:04,240
planning and we still don't have a

1285
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,640
bridge. They have fishing game and

1286
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,319
environmental issues just as we do. PG&E

1287
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:12,000
promised that with the bridge, our

1288
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,839
utility wires would go underground

1289
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,079
permanently. Now they are reigging and

1290
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,480
reversing their position. We have agreed

1291
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,680
to everything up until now. I urged the

1292
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,240
town council to stand up for our

1293
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,640
neighborhood welfare and fight on our

1294
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,240
behalf for fire safety for a swifter

1295
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,799
resolution to the bridge issues with

1296
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:35,839
PG&E and get this bridge project

1297
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,079
completed before another rainy season

1298
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,599
passes. It is shameful that PG&E appears

1299
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:45,200
to have the last word on this project

1300
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,079
and the Fairfax City Council does not.

1301
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:55,270
Thank you.

1302
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,440
Sierra Salem, I have a slogan for

1303
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,119
Fairfax.

1304
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,920
Let's change Fairfax.

1305
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,599
And perhaps we can add something to the

1306
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,000
end of it for the better or for the

1307
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,680
worse. I saw a line of cars stretching

1308
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,680
from the Fairfax Community Church to St.

1309
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,520
Rita's on Saturday morning for the food

1310
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:14,880
bank.

1311
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,960
I wonder why that's getting longer,

1312
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,480
especially with all the affordable

1313
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,960
housing that we're building in Marin.

1314
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,359
Um, I talk to people and ask them,

1315
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:24,640
people that have been here a long time

1316
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,119
that live here that are locals, some

1317
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:28,559
many of which grew up here, how much

1318
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,720
they make a year working at the Good

1319
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,880
Earth or any pretty much any business in

1320
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,839
town or lots of other businesses.

1321
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:37,599
And most of the people in the locals

1322
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,520
that work in any local businesses make

1323
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,200
well under $50,000 a year.

1324
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,280
Think about that. We're building housing

1325
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,720
pegged at $120,000 a year. We're getting

1326
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,599
two extra stories of bonus bonus bonus

1327
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:56,640
extra bonus units at $120,000 a year.

1328
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,200
Who is that serving? It's not serving

1329
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,599
anybody that lives here, that is here,

1330
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,960
that's from here, that works here.

1331
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,160
Let's change Fairfax, right? That

1332
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,079
building is going to change Fairfax. I

1333
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,119
don't think it's going to be for the

1334
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:12,559
better.

1335
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,720
I'm willing to chain myself to to the

1336
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,799
equipment. I'm willing to have my car

1337
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:19,359
break during rush hour on Sir Francis

1338
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:21,839
Draker Center and maybe everybody else's

1339
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:23,520
cars will break on center too during

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01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,160
rush hours. We've got a traffic problem.

1341
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,240
We've got a water problem. We've got

1342
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,240
lots of problems. We don't have any

1343
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,400
solutions that were actually our

1344
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,880
solutions. Affordable housing for

1345
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,000
$120,000 is not a solution. It's kicking

1346
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,680
the can down the road and making things

1347
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,520
worse.

1348
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,359
Um, I've got 14 seconds left. What are

1349
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:46,880
we doing for the environments to make

1350
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,359
things better? And yes, I do feel like a

1351
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:50,640
hypocrite because I just went out and

1352
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,240
bought a new refrigerator rather than

1353
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,200
fixing one that was 22 years old. And I

1354
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,799
wish that things were made so that we

1355
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:59,520
could repair them. [music]

1356
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:04,710
>> Thank you.

1357
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,200
» Not as tall. Deborah Benson, Cascade

1358
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,839
Drive. Um, I would like to speak to the

1359
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:12,400
council about

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01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,079
uh

1361
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:17,440
getting along. I attended last council

1362
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,640
meeting via Zoom and some of what I saw

1363
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,280
with council members being cut off and

1364
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,880
then breaks and

1365
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,880
interactions was really kind of

1366
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,240
appalling. Um I I don't know if you guys

1367
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,319
remember Diane Huffman, but she was a

1368
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:36,880
person who was involved in in town

1369
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,680
politics. And I remember her saying once

1370
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,079
we get we did get three minutes to talk

1371
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,640
and you guys sit up there and you go on

1372
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,160
and on and on. Sometimes that's the way

1373
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,480
to reach consensus.

1374
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,079
Sometimes it's going to be a little bit

1375
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:55,119
off topic, sometimes not. I know you you

1376
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:56,880
have to stick to the agenda and what's

1377
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,319
on the agenda, but um I would like to

1378
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:02,400
see some of the spirit that we just saw

1379
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,839
between all five of you in regards to

1380
01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:09,200
our our dear person who's leaving um

1381
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,599
extend to your your everyday

1382
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:13,760
interactions with each other. I'd like

1383
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,319
to see a line of of smoothness going

1384
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:18,720
between all of you instead of a line of

1385
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,520
fractiousness. Um, it used to be a lot

1386
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,160
friendlier here with each other and with

1387
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,119
the council and the people and uh I'm

1388
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,920
not up there. It's a difficult job, but

1389
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,079
I'd like you guys to work on that. Thank

1390
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:39,109
you.

1391
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:40,799
» Next speaker.

1392
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:44,470
>> Hi, Todd Greenberg.

1393
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,400
You know, Fairfax used to be more about

1394
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:53,280
peace, love, tie-dye,

1395
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,789
music, art, and community.

1396
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:02,160
But what many of us see

1397
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,119
many [clears throat] members of this

1398
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:05,119
council repeatedly doing is bringing

1399
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:07,680
controversy to Fairfax.

1400
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:12,000
Now it's about tasers,

1401
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,000
automated license plate readers, and

1402
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,599
approving high-rise highdensity

1403
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,960
buildings. And now you're considering

1404
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,559
unlimited

1405
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:24,079
unspecified pesticide use later on at

1406
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:27,829
this meeting.

1407
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:30,960
The mayor and other members frequently

1408
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,520
condemn public speakers for what they

1409
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,870
say.

1410
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,640
They rely upon stated rules of decorum,

1411
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,200
but yet they violate those stated rules

1412
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,359
of decorum.

1413
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:47,200
It's not

1414
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,760
equally applied.

1415
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,640
And in fact, the law

1416
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,680
allows criticism of town council

1417
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,039
members. So, I suggest that you revise

1418
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,760
your rules of decorum and until you

1419
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,640
revise them, that you actually adhere to

1420
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,039
the law and you quit badmouthing and

1421
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:11,359
publicly insulting speakers and cutting

1422
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:13,920
them off and cutting off town council

1423
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,640
members. I suggest that you adhere to

1424
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,240
the Brown Act and that you adhere to

1425
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,960
what Fire Town Council's adopted as the

1426
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,280
rules of order, namely Robert's rules of

1427
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,359
order, which the mayor consistently

1428
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:29,200
breaks.

1429
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,760
You need to have a vote before you

1430
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,240
adjourn a meeting abruptly. And then

1431
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,200
when you adjourn the meeting,

1432
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,880
you need to return the floor to the

1433
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,760
council member who is speaking.

1434
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:47,190
Please.

1435
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,280
» I certainly think Todd read the laws

1436
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,240
because he is correct. I am one of those

1437
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,119
people that were cut off last time.

1438
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,520
I think the reason I get cut off is

1439
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,760
because our mayor does not want to hear

1440
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,079
a difference of opinion. But what

1441
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,640
prompted all this was when our council

1442
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,720
member that represents different points

1443
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,079
of view, Michael Giranelli, got abruptly

1444
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,280
cut off, tried to interfere with his his

1445
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,440
thinking, and then the meeting is

1446
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,640
adjourned. That's not correct. I've seen

1447
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,359
the same poor attitude towards Council

1448
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:26,640
Member Edgar regarding hearing aids and

1449
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,760
different things. Where is that allowed

1450
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,280
in any group? I would also like to say

1451
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,680
that I have found the current council to

1452
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:40,559
be as divisive as I have seen in the 24

1453
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:43,839
years I've been coming to this meetings.

1454
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:46,400
Leisel has always been polite, has

1455
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,799
always represented people. She may not

1456
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:50,559
have the same opinion that I do, but

1457
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:52,240
she's always been willing to sit down

1458
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,720
and discuss that. I find the same of

1459
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,920
Michael and Frank. I would encourage the

1460
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,960
mayor to take that same behavior because

1461
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,039
I've seen our mayor stick her tongue out

1462
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:06,079
to people, flip people off, take papers

1463
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:07,680
off desk and throw them on the ground

1464
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,240
which is recorded. And I would

1465
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,520
appreciate if maybe she reflected upon

1466
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,240
those actions and thought of a better

1467
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,160
way to represent her town and bring

1468
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,200
forth a little continuity and welcome

1469
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,440
the value of diversity of opinions to

1470
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:27,680
get to a better place. Thank you.

1471
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,680
Any other speakers in the

1472
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,119
room? Okay, seeing none, are there any

1473
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:34,799
hands raised?

1474
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:37,359
>> We have two raised hands on Zoom. The

1475
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:39,200
first speaker is Cindy, followed by

1476
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,680
Jodie. Cindy, you are unmuted. You may

1477
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,280
now unmute yourself.

1478
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,119
>> Um, hi, good evening. Cindy Ross, um,

1479
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:51,520
longtime Fairfax resident. I live on

1480
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:55,760
Lansdale Avenue and a few a couple of

1481
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,920
weeks ago or so on Next Door online, I

1482
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,920
saw a thread about my street that um at

1483
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,319
first I thought was kind of funny, sort

1484
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:09,039
of interesting, but it's it's given me a

1485
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:13,520
lot to think about and I realized that I would like to see if we could work

1486
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,640
towards some solutions. Um, what what

1487
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:21,440
came up online was that Lansdale Avenue

1488
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:25,440
apparently has been designated voerf,

1489
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:29,839
which I've come to learn is um I think

1490
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:33,120
it means living street. Um, it's it's an

1491
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,560
attempt to share the road. It's it's a

1492
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,120
program that was implemented

1493
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:42,880
in um Holland first and several other

1494
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,600
cities in in Europe to try to calm down

1495
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,199
traffic.

1496
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:50,159
And the thread on Next Door was kind of

1497
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:54,239
interesting because not only did people

1498
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:56,400
most people not know that those signs

1499
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,839
were there, apparently they've been

1500
01:08:57,839 --> 01:09:01,040
there maybe 10 years. Um but you know

1501
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,359
there was lots of speculation. you know,

1502
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,279
they they seemed really silly. Nobody

1503
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:09,600
knew what they meant. And, you know, I I

1504
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,560
get the concept of trying to to share

1505
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:16,640
the road, but on Lansdale Avenue and

1506
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,799
also um the other street that I live

1507
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:22,080
closest to, Pastori Avenue,

1508
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,839
um it it's it's ridiculous to to put up

1509
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:27,759
a sign and think that it's going to make

1510
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:31,279
a difference. We have a road that is not

1511
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,679
wide enough for two-way traffic and

1512
01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:38,080
parking. Um, we have people on bicycles

1513
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,400
and in cars that don't pay attention to

1514
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,560
all the stop signs and other traffic

1515
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,560
safety. Um, we have people that cut

1516
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:52,799
through the Fairfax PL Oh, okay. Well,

1517
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:55,040
the next speaker is Jod. Jody, you are

1518
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,080
unmuted. You may now unmute yourself.

1519
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,159
Okay, I don't see a Thank you. I don't

1520
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,159
see a a clock, but I'll try to get this

1521
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:03,840
in my two minutes. Good evening, mayor,

1522
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,520
council members, staff, and fellow

1523
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,600
community members. Jod Tims, Cascade

1524
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,320
Drive. Just a few climate related items.

1525
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,640
First, many thanks to those who came out

1526
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,199
on July 24th to the Fairfax Climate

1527
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,679
Action Committee's Climate Future Film

1528
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:19,440
Festival that was held in the Women's

1529
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:22,239
Club. We had about 50 folks join us to

1530
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,800
watch 13 international documentary films

1531
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,320
with tableabling by Resilient

1532
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,000
Neighborhoods and the county's

1533
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,800
sustainability staff. I think most of us

1534
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,440
in Fairfax also recently received a

1535
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,600
letter from the county's new climate and

1536
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,920
sustainability department regarding the

1537
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,199
Bay Ren Ease program for possible home

1538
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:43,920
upgrades. The letter detailed what the

1539
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,920
program covers and what it costs, a

1540
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,280
maximum of up to $2,000. It includes

1541
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,920
insulation, air and duct ceiling or

1542
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,920
replacement, induction, cooking

1543
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,719
installation, etc. I took advantage of

1544
01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:58,880
this program a while back and I highly

1545
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,600
recommend it. On September 12th from 1

1546
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,080
to 4, the Reuse Alliance and the town

1547
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,239
will host another repair fair at the

1548
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:08,239
library. So, bring your broken

1549
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:10,320
appliances and gadgets to see if they

1550
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,960
can be fixed and reused. And finally,

1551
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,520
regarding the topic of dark skies, I

1552
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:16,960
know the planning commission has been

1553
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,960
mulling this over for some time, and

1554
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,719
this morning I attended a Marin

1555
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:22,400
Conservation League meeting and heard

1556
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,360
about their dark sky policy. As you

1557
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,840
likely know, light pollution destroys

1558
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,320
critical wildlife habitat. It wastes

1559
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:34,000
money and energy. It harms human health.

1560
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,560
It can actually decrease safety and

1561
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,040
security. And it robs us of our

1562
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,360
beautiful night sky. So given that

1563
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,280
writing an ordinance can take a long

1564
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,760
time, I'd love to propose that in the

1565
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,920
meantime, the council consider drafting

1566
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,960
a town resolution or proclamation with

1567
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,360
our intention to address light pollution

1568
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,400
through responsible outdoor lighting.

1569
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,239
Thank you for all you do. Community

1570
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:02,800
members, staff, and council.

1571
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,800
>> There are no more speakers on Zoom.

1572
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,440
>> Okay, terrific. Thank you. You're

1573
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:08,960
closing.

1574
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,719
Can I just say a couple words quick

1575
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:12,159
about Drake?

1576
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:14,239
>> Uh yeah, let me just close open time for

1577
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:16,080
public expression and then quickly go

1578
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,320
ahead.

1579
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,360
>> Okay. Um

1580
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,040
75th uh Diamond Ju Jubilee anniversary

1581
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,840
is quite a big deal and uh thank thanks

1582
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,239
to Mike Ardo, our open space committee

1583
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:32,080
member for coming tonight and reminding

1584
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,080
us of that what's coming up. Um,

1585
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,080
our daughter Lori uh graduated from

1586
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,960
Drake in 1978. And, uh, Archie Williams

1587
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,679
was her math teacher, so we had a

1588
01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:45,199
connection. And I do actually have a

1589
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,560
little further back connection. And, um,

1590
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,440
70 years ago, it was in 1956. I was a

1591
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:53,440
senior at SI on the championship

1592
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:55,440
swimming team. And we came over here and

1593
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:57,360
swam Drake High School in our brand new

1594
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,040
pool there. Um I I had I had never been

1595
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,199
to Drake High School or seen it, but it

1596
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:05,040
they had a brand new pool. Boy, that was

1597
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:06,880
something. And so we got to come over

1598
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,440
here and and swim Drake High. Anyway,

1599
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:12,159
that's my connection to Drake. Thanks.

1600
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:14,800
Well, one one last quick thing. Uh we

1601
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,199
heard we heard neighbors of on

1602
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:20,239
Meadowway. It's my understanding PG& is

1603
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:22,080
going to underground.

1604
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,320
>> Frank,

1605
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:25,840
>> you know, people come down and they ask

1606
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,159
us make a comment. No, but you have a

1607
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:29,520
>> I'm not I'm not

1608
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:30,880
>> Frank. I was going to I was going to say

1609
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:31,120
something.

1610
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,880
>> I was going to tell you the PGD is going

1611
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,840
to underground from Cascade Drive to the

1612
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,239
Meadowway. That's what we've been told.

1613
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:38,960
>> That's all.

1614
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,320
>> Well, that's reiterating what I think

1615
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,800
what the Wermans were saying, but I'm I

1616
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,280
want to appreciate I want to acknowledge

1617
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,280
your concerns and I hope that we can

1618
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:52,709
help you get the answers you're seeking.

1619
01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:55,679
Moving on, we are now on to the regular

1620
01:13:55,679 --> 01:13:58,000
agenda. Item number two, pesticide

1621
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,199
ordinance exception request. Adopt a

1622
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,560
resolution authorizing an an exception

1623
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,800
to the town's pesticide ordinance for

1624
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,640
targeted flea treatment beneath the

1625
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,800
temporary fire station. And we have

1626
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,120
our director of public works, Kristen

1627
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,120
Arnold, here. Take it away.

1628
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,350
>> Thank you.

1629
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:40,470
Did you promote me?

1630
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:47,669
Almost there.

1631
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:52,950
Share. Oh.

1632
01:14:52,960 --> 01:15:17,430
says someone else is sharing.

1633
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:20,400
Almost there. There we go.

1634
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,827
Okay, [laughter]

1635
01:15:22,827 --> 01:15:25,910
[sighs]

1636
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,480
good evening. I'm Kristen Arnold, public

1637
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:31,120
works. I'm here to talk about an

1638
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,840
exception to the pestanite pesticide

1639
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,560
ordinance for the temporary fire

1640
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,960
station. Um, specifically underneath the

1641
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:40,560
building

1642
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,000
in early July

1643
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:50,000
or I'm sorry, late July. Um staff was

1644
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,800
told about um a flea infestation in the

1645
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,840
playground. Um we subsequently closed

1646
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,560
the playground while we started

1647
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,800
evaluating what our options are and what

1648
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:06,149
we could do about it. Um

1649
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,480
so our first focus was on the

1650
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:13,920
playground. Um, we discovered that

1651
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,640
animals were able to access underneath

1652
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,159
the deck area in the playground. Um, and

1653
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:23,760
so while we were excluding that area, we

1654
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,840
found openings

1655
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,400
into the temporary fire station, which

1656
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,239
is currently at the community center,

1657
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:33,520
which borders the playground. Um, so we

1658
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,280
were able to block off all of those

1659
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,800
accesses.

1660
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,000
for the playground. We

1661
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,440
from talking with a few different

1662
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:45,760
agencies um we determined that an

1663
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,120
agricultural steam treatment um looked

1664
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,280
like a really good option to treat the

1665
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,159
fleas in the playground. Um that has

1666
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:57,440
been completed now and it uh does appear

1667
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:02,400
that it had a significant impact. Um, so

1668
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,120
we'll continue monitoring and raking the

1669
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,719
sand to evaluate how the playground site

1670
01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:10,480
is going.

1671
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:12,560
However,

1672
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,600
this leaves fleas

1673
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,920
um underneath the crawl space of the

1674
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,280
temporary fire station. The crawl space

1675
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,000
is um

1676
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,400
like a solid perimeter concrete

1677
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,719
foundation. So, it completely circles

1678
01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:31,520
the underneath of the building and that

1679
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,480
is now blocked off from wildlife being

1680
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:38,719
able to access it. Um

1681
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:41,760
so we were reviewing the ordinance to go

1682
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:44,400
through our options of how do we treat

1683
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,600
underneath the building. Um

1684
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,520
granular pesticides that are ground

1685
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,800
applied are allowed by the ordinance.

1686
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,360
However, they need to be watered to

1687
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:56,960
activate

1688
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,159
any um pesticide or insecticide.

1689
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:01,840
And

1690
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,400
hosing down underneath a woodframe

1691
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:07,199
building is not an ideal situation. It

1692
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:09,840
can create rot and mold and generally

1693
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,520
you want to avoid it. Um, we did add

1694
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,719
boric acid underneath the building.

1695
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:20,000
However, it's not really an effective

1696
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,159
flea treatment, especially through all

1697
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:25,520
stages of a fleas's life cycle.

1698
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,120
um and is not an effective means to

1699
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,560
control the situation that we're in. Um

1700
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,360
the ordinance also allows spraying 9

1701
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,080
square feet once per year, but

1702
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,719
underneath the building is roughly 1,900

1703
01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:46,080
square ft. Um and we did talk to

1704
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,320
um Dominican University about steaming

1705
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,760
under the building, but it was the same

1706
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,560
situation. It adds too much water. Um,

1707
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,800
and you may ask the question, why didn't

1708
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,199
we, you know, just use the granular

1709
01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:59,360
pesticides anyways and just try to use a

1710
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,400
little bit of water? It's also against

1711
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,960
like federal law prohibits using a

1712
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,239
pesticide inconsistently with its label

1713
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:12,000
and granular pesticides

1714
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,520
um are specifically

1715
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:20,080
marketed for outside landscaped areas um

1716
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:25,669
or like a lawn area.

1717
01:19:25,679 --> 01:19:28,960
Um so the last option in the ordinance

1718
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:33,040
is to request council to authorize an

1719
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,040
exception when the following three

1720
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,920
conditions are present. Health and

1721
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,400
safety impacts, no reasonable

1722
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,880
alternative and adverse town impacts. Um

1723
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,760
so the infestation can impact the fire

1724
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,719
station staff and fleas can carry

1725
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:54,719
disease. Um the ordinance compliant

1726
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:56,400
measures

1727
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,480
will not control the fleas beneath the

1728
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:00,400
building.

1729
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,640
And if fleas start finding their way

1730
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,880
into the fire station, there is a

1731
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,199
potential that we would need to relocate

1732
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:10,640
the fire station which would increase

1733
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:23,669
emergency response times.

1734
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:27,360
After coming to this determination,

1735
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,120
staff met with three different pest

1736
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:30,960
control companies and has been

1737
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,880
consulting with the county department of

1738
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,840
agriculture to find a recommended

1739
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,950
solution.

1740
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,600
The recommended treatment approach is to

1741
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,920
spray an insecticide and a growth

1742
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,719
regulator under the temporary fire

1743
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:50,470
station

1744
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:59,030
to treat this infestation.

1745
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,400
It's a type of insecticide

1746
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,239
that um

1747
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:10,560
I asked what a growth regulator is.

1748
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,360
>> It basically breaks the life life cycle.

1749
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:14,960
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1750
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:19,440
I am not an expert in all of the

1751
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:22,239
pesticides, but I've been doing as much

1752
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:26,640
homework as I can. Um, and so both of

1753
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,199
these products

1754
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:32,400
um are labeled for use in schools and

1755
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,040
other institutional buildings. They're

1756
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,719
also

1757
01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:39,360
labeled for recreational areas,

1758
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,440
outdoors.

1759
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:46,000
They are labeled as safe to use around

1760
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,520
animals.

1761
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,760
Um, and they can be used inside of homes

1762
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,840
and outside. Um, they are

1763
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,840
California registered products, meaning

1764
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,679
they're acceptable products to use in

1765
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:01,280
California.

1766
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:02,960
Um,

1767
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:08,480
and the Alpine uh WSG stands for water

1768
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:12,880
soluble granular. Um the alpine

1769
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,669
insecticide is

1770
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:22,000
um it has EPA granted reduce risk status

1771
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,159
which means that

1772
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,639
for certain

1773
01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:29,990
um

1774
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,760
pest control options the EPA has found

1775
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,080
that there's low risk to people applying

1776
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,719
it

1777
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:43,280
and occupying the treated building. Um,

1778
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,000
it's also low risk to non-target

1779
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,480
organisms and the environment,

1780
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:52,239
but they've also determined that it

1781
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:55,360
still has an effectiveness that may

1782
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,159
reduce repeated applications

1783
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:03,040
and help eliminate the issue. Um,

1784
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,679
so we would do an initial application

1785
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:09,040
and then we'd inspect within the first

1786
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,760
week. Um, it would likely need to be

1787
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,400
reapplied and then we would continue

1788
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,360
inspection through there um to ensure

1789
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:22,390
that the issue has been controlled.

1790
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,199
So with that, staff recommends that the

1791
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:28,000
town council authorize an exception to

1792
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:32,239
chapter 8.52 of the Fairfax Town Code to

1793
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,800
allow a licensed pest control operator

1794
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:38,159
to apply and reapply as necessary a

1795
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:40,000
California registered flea control

1796
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,400
treatments beneath the temporary fire

1797
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,480
station in accordance with all

1798
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:46,560
applicable laws and product label

1799
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,040
requirements until the infestation is

1800
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,080
controlled. and I'm happy to answer any

1801
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,590
questions.

1802
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,080
» Thank you. And I just know that this

1803
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,239
came out of left field for you and how

1804
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:03,280
much time and attention it's required of

1805
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,880
you on top of all the many many DPW

1806
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,800
projects. So, I'm sorry and thank you.

1807
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,480
Um any I know I have questions, but I'm

1808
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:15,840
going to go down the line. Go ahead,

1809
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:17,600
Council Member Blash.

1810
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,840
>> Yeah. So, um I understand that this

1811
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,199
would go under the building. It's an

1812
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,760
enclosed space. Um I, you know, like

1813
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,840
many pesticides, both of these have, I

1814
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,639
think, acute toxicity to aquatic life

1815
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:31,280
and um we're very near our creek. Um but

1816
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,360
I think the concept is the the water is

1817
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:34,639
not going under there, right? So, it's

1818
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:38,000
not soaking into the uh watershed. Um

1819
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,679
should we ever take down that building

1820
01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:42,080
or rebuild it? Is it does it remain? Do

1821
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,679
you know if it this there's a life um of

1822
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:47,440
that product that it eventually stops

1823
01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:49,360
being toxic or is it going to keep the

1824
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,520
soil under there problematic for the

1825
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:58,149
future?

1826
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,719
» So I mean the treatments have to be

1827
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:02,400
reapplied.

1828
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,320
So that means that they can't have like

1829
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,960
lingering long-term effects cuz if we do

1830
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,679
it once, that doesn't mean that nothing

1831
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:13,520
will ever get under the building or we

1832
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,719
won't have other pests. Um so that it

1833
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:20,400
seems like it dissipates after a certain

1834
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:24,149
amount of time.

1835
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:25,840
I I just have a couple clarifying

1836
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,040
questions if that's okay. So

1837
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,120
we've gotten the playground under

1838
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,159
control. It's still essentially blocked

1839
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:36,239
off, quarantined,

1840
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:38,239
and you're checking it. You're wrecking

1841
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:40,639
it regularly, and you're seeing that

1842
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:44,000
it's it's working, and you might need to

1843
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,960
do more steaming, but it's working thus

1844
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,960
far, right?

1845
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,360
I would say it's potentially under

1846
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:55,360
control. I We saw a drastic change after

1847
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,800
the first steaming. Um, but fleas do lay

1848
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,360
a lot of eggs every day.

1849
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,600
Um, so until we monitor for I would say

1850
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,600
at least a week or two.

1851
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,000
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1852
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:11,520
>> This is what I'm kind of getting because

1853
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,520
they I know they they so gross but we

1854
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,239
have to get into it. So they they lay

1855
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:20,719
eggs but they can't survive unless they

1856
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:21,840
eat.

1857
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:22,639
>> Correct.

1858
01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:24,560
>> And so we have the whole we have

1859
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,840
everything we have it blocked off. And

1860
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,400
so unless like some critters are

1861
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,199
obviously can still get in there, right?

1862
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:37,600
>> There are air vents to the crawl space.

1863
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,960
Um and so generally what happens is when

1864
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,080
a flea loses its host, so that would you

1865
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:45,760
know be the raccoon living under the

1866
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:46,719
building.

1867
01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:51,199
>> The fleas then move towards vibrations.

1868
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:54,229
Um

1869
01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:59,280
» oh gosh, I want to say CO2. Um, and like

1870
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,840
they move towards ventilated areas is

1871
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:02,880
the gist of it.

1872
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,600
>> Okay. But so the you've got the

1873
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,280
playground, then you've got you've got

1874
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,760
the deck, and then you have the

1875
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,080
community center,

1876
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,560
and you've you've

1877
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,159
closed off any access to below the deck,

1878
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:20,400
so nobody no critters can live or access

1879
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,760
that anymore. And the concern is that

1880
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:28,880
underneath there is and underneath the community center building is where

1881
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,880
we have to treat, right?

1882
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:31,600
>> Yes.

1883
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:35,440
>> Okay. And but if they I mean by my

1884
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:40,639
question is by just uh time just just by

1885
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:42,239
quarantining

1886
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:44,560
for a couple of weeks wouldn't would

1887
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,639
that work just because they they don't

1888
01:27:46,639 --> 01:27:48,080
have they won't be able to access a

1889
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,920
host. So generally once the host leaves

1890
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,239
that's when the fleas really start

1891
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:57,679
coming out to go search for food. So

1892
01:27:57,679 --> 01:27:59,679
they will

1893
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:03,600
move towards out they will move out from

1894
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,239
under the building and that is when they

1895
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:09,600
are very likely to start finding the

1896
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,040
fire personnel that are

1897
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,199
>> okay. And there and there's no evidence

1898
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:15,760
yet um like the firefighters haven't

1899
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,390
seen any evidence yet. Is that true?

1900
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:21,199
Not yet.

1901
01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:23,120
>> Um, [laughter]

1902
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,639
but did you get some information today?

1903
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:29,920
I I would say we need more information.

1904
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:30,159
Okay.

1905
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:31,600
>> Um, yeah.

1906
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,159
>> Okay. Um, Mike, did you have a question?

1907
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:36,400
>> Sure. Um,

1908
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,480
did did we capture a raccoon and check

1909
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:40,159
it for fleas? How do we know they came

1910
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:41,840
from the raccoon?

1911
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:46,080
I mean, we suspect um

1912
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,800
the fire personnel living in the

1913
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,400
building has seen multiple raccoons.

1914
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:53,920
I mean, we know there's a lot of

1915
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,480
raccoons in the area. This is not the

1916
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:59,280
first time we've gotten them out of um

1917
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,120
different buildings. Um, and

1918
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,400
when we were

1919
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,920
looking at some of the vents around the

1920
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,600
building to try to make sure everything

1921
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,159
was blocked off, there was a family of

1922
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:17,199
raccoons staring at us

1923
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:21,520
from right behind the building. Um,

1924
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:23,840
we've also had other reports of other

1925
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,120
people seeing raccoons in the area.

1926
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:31,360
Yeah. So, I I I I sit on a nonprofit

1927
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,400
board, Marin's Pesticide Free Zone, and

1928
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,639
we use the Northwest Center for

1929
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:38,880
Alternatives to pesticide zone, and we

1930
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,920
use their their uh material safety data

1931
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,800
sheets to determine whether or not the

1932
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,560
pesticide that's being used uh would

1933
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,560
have an adverse impact on people or

1934
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,480
children.

1935
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:54,080
Do do we know the actual name of that

1936
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:55,600
pesticide that we could check the

1937
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,239
material safety data sheet?

1938
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:08,880
>> I did forget to print out the um the data sheets. I have um the like all

1939
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,320
the label information.

1940
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:13,360
>> Okay. So I

1941
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,120
>> I can provide those. I do know the two

1942
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,040
um

1943
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,679
insecticides that we plan to use. That's

1944
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:27,120
the Alpine WSG and then the Techco Pro.

1945
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,400
>> Okay. I I went to the Northwest Center

1946
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:33,679
for um for alternatives to pesticides

1947
01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:37,600
and uh they've got a whole a whole uh uh

1948
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,679
section managing fleas without

1949
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:41,360
pesticides.

1950
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,920
Um so there there are some alternatives.

1951
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:46,400
I'm I'm I'm wondering if we've really

1952
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,600
used all tried everything else before

1953
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,199
going to the pesticide.

1954
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:53,440
>> Well, I tried everything that was

1955
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:56,880
allowed by the ordinance.

1956
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,840
Um,

1957
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,840
and I needed help with

1958
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,920
the infestation. So I called pest

1959
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,560
control companies

1960
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,800
and we went through different options

1961
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,120
but this is what they recommend to

1962
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,639
ensure that we eliminate the problem

1963
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:23,280
efficiently and effectively

1964
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,920
so that we don't put the fire station at

1965
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,400
risk.

1966
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:29,360
>> I have a question.

1967
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,280
>> Go ahead, Mike. If we approve this

1968
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,880
tonight, which I will be voting forward

1969
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,840
to approving it, um how quick can you

1970
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:41,760
get to the job? When will it start?

1971
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,080
>> I was hoping to have an answer for that

1972
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,639
by tonight. Um but the pest control

1973
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:49,920
company um didn't get back to me today.

1974
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,239
Um I asked if we could set up scheduling

1975
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:55,280
for Thursday or Friday. Um

1976
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:56,000
>> Okay.

1977
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,080
>> But I I don't know for sure if it can

1978
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,320
happen that yet. But quickly though.

1979
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:00,800
>> Yes.

1980
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:01,280
>> Thank you,

1981
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:02,480
>> Council Member Kohler.

1982
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:04,639
>> Yeah, I think it's more of a comment.

1983
01:32:04,639 --> 01:32:06,000
So, I had brought so I'm an

1984
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,080
entomologist, have a master's degree in

1985
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,639
entomology and formally trained in all

1986
01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:13,679
that. And what I brought up after I read

1987
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:17,600
this was um so pesticides don't kill the

1988
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,760
eggs. I'm not sure about steam cleaning

1989
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:23,520
because that's a newer thing. It's been

1990
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,480
several years, but I that's why I asked

1991
01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:28,639
that we be able to reapply because the

1992
01:32:28,639 --> 01:32:31,280
life cycle you don't kill the eggs and

1993
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:33,280
the life cycle is usually within 10

1994
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,520
days. So, you got to go back and

1995
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,080
probably reapply and because you have a

1996
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,480
growth regulator, what that means is

1997
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:43,280
they can't go through the stages of

1998
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,960
life. But so, if we can get those eggs

1999
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,360
as they first hatch. So that's why I had

2000
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,600
asked that we make a change to the

2001
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,400
resolution to allow us to reapply. And

2002
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,679
while I'm not a fan of pesticides, I

2003
01:32:57,679 --> 01:32:59,360
think this is really important that we

2004
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,800
get moving on this very quickly. And you

2005
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:04,000
know, we don't want to have to move

2006
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,199
those firefighters out and we need to

2007
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:09,920
take care of this very quickly as well

2008
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,719
as continuing the monitoring of the

2009
01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:15,360
actual children's area. Thank you. Thank

2010
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,440
you for all your efforts here. Let's

2011
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:29,510
open public comment.

2012
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,760
» Hi Todd Greenberg. This building that

2013
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,280
you're concerned about is in a flood

2014
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,159
zone. The staff report identifies a

2015
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:37,520
legitimate concern protecting

2016
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,199
firefighters and keeping the temporary

2017
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:40,880
fire station operational. It also

2018
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,679
confirms that the town has already begun

2019
01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:45,600
non-pesticide measures, including

2020
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,520
wildlife exclusion, boric acid, and

2021
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,760
steam treatment, but the public has not

2022
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:51,840
received adequate notice of the plan.

2023
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,600
Now, before you, the original staff

2024
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,080
report describes a one-time limited

2025
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,560
exemption. The supplemental resolution

2026
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,800
instead authorizes the town to apply and

2027
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,400
reapply unspecified pestifi pesticide

2028
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,400
treatments until tonight during this

2029
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,800
meeting until the infestation is

2030
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,280
considered controlled. That is a

2031
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,120
material expansion and the public still

2032
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,560
does not know the product active

2033
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,040
ingredient application method, number of

2034
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:18,480
treatment, safety precautions,

2035
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:20,320
monitoring plan, expiration date or

2036
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,800
definition of success. I ask the council

2037
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:24,880
to take three clear actions tonight.

2038
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:26,880
First, continue the item to a later

2039
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,639
meeting rather than approving open-ended

2040
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:30,320
authority through a lastm minute

2041
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,639
supplement. Second, direct staff to

2042
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:34,480
continue monitoring non-pesticide

2043
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:36,800
measures including wildlife exclusion,

2044
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,880
boric acid where permitted, steam

2045
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,560
treatment, sanitation, removal or

2046
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,159
replacement of affected material where

2047
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:44,719
necessary, and repeated flea checks in

2048
01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:46,719
both the crawl space and the playground.

2049
01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:48,880
Because flea pupy can remain protected

2050
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,960
and emerge later, monitoring over time

2051
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,480
is essential before declaring these

2052
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:54,800
measures unsuccessful. Third, require

2053
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,800
any future pesticide proposal to

2054
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,199
identify the exact product and active

2055
01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:01,360
ingredient. Provide the label and safety

2056
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:02,880
information, limit treatment to a

2057
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,280
defined area and number of applications,

2058
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,199
establish an expiration date, require

2059
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:09,199
marine county inspection, and define

2060
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:11,120
measurable criteria for when the

2061
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,199
infestation is controlled. Only after

2062
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:15,120
that plan is publicly posted with

2063
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:16,880
adequate advanced notice should the

2064
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,199
council consider a pesticide exception

2065
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:21,440
at a subsequent meeting. Please protect

2066
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:23,520
firefighters and the public, but also

2067
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,679
protect meaningful public participation

2068
01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:28,080
and the integrity of Fairfax's pesticide

2069
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:37,430
ordinance.

2070
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:39,840
» Next speaker, Deborah Benson, Catscape

2071
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,560
Drive. Um, over a week ago, I emailed

2072
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,600
town staff suggesting we try

2073
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:49,920
dietimmacous earth, which is a proven

2074
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,760
killer of fleas. It's a it's a non-toxic

2075
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:56,719
um like a clay, a pulverized clay that

2076
01:35:56,719 --> 01:36:00,320
you can spread both outside and inside a

2077
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,880
thin layer and when the fleas crawl on

2078
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,440
it, it sucks the moisture out of them.

2079
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:07,920
They crack and they die. So, I'm

2080
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:08,320
wondering,

2081
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:09,199
>> we used it.

2082
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:11,760
>> Pardon? We used it. We applied it. Yes.

2083
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:16,239
Oh, thank you. Yeah, it didn't work.

2084
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:21,590
>> I can't answer that question.

2085
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,520
» Thought you said we did use it.

2086
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:28,159
>> We used brick acid. Um, dietmacous earth

2087
01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:30,159
>> from how I've been reading the ordinance

2088
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:31,920
is not allowed.

2089
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,600
>> Oh, okay.

2090
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,159
>> My mistake. I understood we did use it.

2091
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:38,560
It's clay. It's not. It has no

2092
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,679
insecticide in it. I I'm not

2093
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:42,960
understanding why it wouldn't be

2094
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,239
allowed. Anyway, that's my suggestion

2095
01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:47,520
that we try that before we use

2096
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:49,920
insecticides because it's proven both

2097
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,760
inside and outside. If it's going to be

2098
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,360
in the playground, it should be food

2099
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,000
grade, but if it's underneath the uh

2100
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,360
fire station, it could be the kind you

2101
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,199
get from the hardware store, which is

2102
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:03,360
less expensive. So, I'd like to see try

2103
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,199
that.

2104
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:13,750
Actually,

2105
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:15,119
I was also going to speak about

2106
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:18,480
dietmacious earth. Um, not sure that it

2107
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:22,667
would work and I concur with staff's u

2108
01:37:22,667 --> 01:37:23,360
[gasps]

2109
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,440
understanding that it might not work in

2110
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:27,199
this circumstance getting under the

2111
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:28,960
building, but it might work in other

2112
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,199
circumstances such as if the

2113
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:33,280
firefighters wanted to put it around the

2114
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:35,920
baseboards in the building inside the

2115
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,560
building to just prevent an infestation.

2116
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,960
What dietmacious earth actually is is

2117
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,920
it's not exactly clay. It's it's

2118
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:46,320
actually like the white cliffs of Dover

2119
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,360
are made of these microorganisms,

2120
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,639
datoms that have a silica

2121
01:37:52,639 --> 01:37:54,639
skeleton as it were on this very

2122
01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:56,480
microscopic scale. And when that's

2123
01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:59,920
ground up, uh that makes these very

2124
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:03,440
pointy little silica pieces which

2125
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:07,520
mechanically pierce the adult insects

2126
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:10,719
exoskeleton. only works on the adults

2127
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:13,280
and maybe the larvae but not on the eggs

2128
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,440
certainly. Anyway, I'm not suggesting

2129
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:18,639
dietimmacous earth for this application

2130
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:23,040
under the under the the uh uh building

2131
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,600
but I would suggest

2132
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,480
that and I'm

2133
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:30,400
well I thought I had this on my phone

2134
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,760
but I don't. Um, I have actually emailed

2135
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:36,719
these suggestions that two specific

2136
01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:39,119
places in the ordinance that you might

2137
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:42,560
consider in a future agenda item

2138
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,119
modifying to allow dietmacious earth

2139
01:38:45,119 --> 01:38:47,520
because I would concur it doesn't seem

2140
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,760
to allow it right now, but I think it

2141
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,880
should. Um it the ordinance could say

2142
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:57,520
that it uh it's directed not at

2143
01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:59,440
mechanical the things that have a

2144
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:01,199
mechanical action but no chemical

2145
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:03,119
action. That's one thing that could be

2146
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:05,920
put in the ordinance and then in under

2147
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,320
exceptions a specific exception for

2148
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,719
dietenimatious earth. So I would

2149
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:12,960
recommend on a future agenda item that

2150
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:17,350
you take that up. Thanks.

2151
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,760
» Hello. I also agree and it's for the

2152
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,760
adult period. So when they're migrating

2153
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,600
the diet dietmatous earth actually is a

2154
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,280
good thing. It actually from breaking up

2155
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,440
the silica it's like little knives that

2156
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:32,800
cut their legs and it'll kill them. When

2157
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,639
in the good old days when Linda and I

2158
01:39:34,639 --> 01:39:36,400
were in our little babysitting group and

2159
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:39,600
dragging our dogs home, we employed uh

2160
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,000
eucalyptus berries and eucalyptus oil.

2161
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,639
That's another natural product. But the

2162
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:47,520
reason I came up to speak is not to

2163
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,760
discourage or encourage because I hope

2164
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,000
that everybody's looking at this. But if

2165
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,000
you allow an exemption, I would

2166
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,760
encourage you to go back to our

2167
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,480
ordinance and come up with a criteria of

2168
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:01,440
why this is allowed. So it's a uniform

2169
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:03,280
application for everybody and we don't

2170
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,679
need to address this each time. So if we

2171
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:08,320
have a serious infestation, our

2172
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:10,719
ordinance should allow other options

2173
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:13,600
that we can address and move forward. So

2174
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,589
that way this could be our

2175
01:40:15,589 --> 01:40:17,199
[clears throat] kind of like test site

2176
01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:19,440
of how to modify something. So it

2177
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:22,239
doesn't just give a blanket where people

2178
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:24,960
can go forward and use pest sides, but

2179
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,920
it gives us guard rails of how when

2180
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,480
something might be necessary to go to a

2181
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:36,709
better level. Thank you.

2182
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:39,440
» Good good evening, council members, uh

2183
01:40:39,440 --> 01:40:41,760
town staff, and community members. My

2184
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,600
name is Jake Peterson. I'm the acting

2185
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,119
fire chief for the Ross Valley Fire

2186
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:47,520
Department and I am here representing

2187
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:49,360
all the members of the fire department.

2188
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,400
Um I understand everyone's concerns

2189
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:55,360
about using pesticides. I really do. I I

2190
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,560
am concerned about it too, but my job

2191
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,480
here is to protect the firefighters that

2192
01:41:00,480 --> 01:41:02,320
are living in that temporary quarters

2193
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,719
and make sure that they are uh safe and

2194
01:41:04,719 --> 01:41:07,440
healthy and don't get bitten by fleas.

2195
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:10,880
So that's why I'm here um

2196
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:14,239
talking to everybody and um doing my own

2197
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:16,480
bit of research. I feel like at this

2198
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:19,440
point the pesticide use is the best way

2199
01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:22,719
to go down and to use to uh make sure

2200
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:25,199
that this doesn't emphasize and get even

2201
01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:28,560
worse and make the problem worse. And so

2202
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,880
that's I think where we're at. Um, I

2203
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,639
look forward to uh working

2204
01:41:32,639 --> 01:41:34,880
collaboratively with the town. And I

2205
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:37,040
will say I've been very lucky to work

2206
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:41,040
with Kristen over the last year over the

2207
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,840
rebuilding of the the town um fire

2208
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,600
station and also the temporary quarters

2209
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,280
and there was a lot of issues that came

2210
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:50,320
up and we work really well as a team. So

2211
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:53,520
I don't expect that to change and um

2212
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,480
continue to make sure that the fleas get

2213
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:58,560
out and all the firefighters are safe

2214
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,600
and healthy. So, um, with that,

2215
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:04,560
appreciate all your time. Thank you. And

2216
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:07,840
I'll be, uh, retiring December. So, um,

2217
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,719
this is probably my one and only council

2218
01:42:10,719 --> 01:42:12,719
meeting that I get to speak at. So,

2219
01:42:12,719 --> 01:42:13,600
thank you so much, everyone.

2220
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:19,030
>> Thank you. Thanks for being here.

2221
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:20,719
» Any hands raised?

2222
01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:24,000
>> We have one raised hand on Zoom. Cindy,

2223
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,239
you are unmuted. You may now unmute

2224
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:27,840
yourself.

2225
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,800
>> Yes. Hi, Cindy Ross again. Thank you.

2226
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,840
Um, I just wanted to say that I'm really

2227
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,320
opposed to making exceptions to the

2228
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:39,280
pesticide ordinance. Um, I understand

2229
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:42,400
that we need to keep the fire uh crew

2230
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,960
safe, but we also need to keep everybody

2231
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,320
safe. And I I don't have enough

2232
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,080
information right now about um the the

2233
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,080
pesticides that are being proposed, but

2234
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:56,719
it as as Lisel said, it's my

2235
01:42:56,719 --> 01:42:59,760
understanding that alpine WSG is very

2236
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,199
toxic to aquatic life. It it also can be

2237
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:06,239
harmful to pollinators. Um I read

2238
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:08,719
something very briefly that ironically

2239
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:10,400
said something about hazards during

2240
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,080
firefighting.

2241
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:15,520
Um, as far as Tech Pro, I don't know

2242
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:21,280
anything about it, but I understand it doesn't address adult fleas either. I

2243
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,520
would like to see if there is some way

2244
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,400
to look back into using something like

2245
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:30,400
dietmacious earth. Um, or I, you know,

2246
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,080
I'm just putting this out there. I don't

2247
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:34,159
know anything about it personally, but

2248
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:36,800
it's my understanding that certain cat

2249
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:38,719
flee medications can be used for

2250
01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:40,239
raccoons.

2251
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:42,080
And I'm wondering if there might be some

2252
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:45,040
way to maybe feed the raccoons, you

2253
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,440
know, medication that would not be

2254
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:49,440
harmful to them, that would help break

2255
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:52,800
the cycle, you know, and and would cause

2256
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:57,040
less toxicity overall. Um, so anyway, I

2257
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:58,880
encourage you to find non-toxic,

2258
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:02,480
non-pesticide solutions. Thank you.

2259
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:03,840
>> Thank you. Next speaker.

2260
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:05,440
>> There are no more speakers on Zoom.

2261
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:07,679
>> Okay. Closing public comment on this

2262
01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:11,520
item. Thank you for all who shared and

2263
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:14,800
to Kristen. Um,

2264
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:18,960
any other comments before we entertain

2265
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,000
a motion?

2266
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,679
>> I would like to make a motion. First of

2267
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:22,960
all, I want to thank everyone for

2268
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,520
sharing your thoughts. Um, and I think

2269
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,920
in the future maybe we look at this.

2270
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:29,920
>> It looks like council member Blash has a

2271
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:31,440
comment.

2272
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:33,920
I just wanted to revisit the um, two

2273
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:35,920
things. So, we're already using boric

2274
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:37,360
acid. I've always been confused about

2275
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,119
the difference between boric acid and

2276
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:43,040
dietimmacous earth, but okay. Um,

2277
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,040
so people are suggesting I just want to

2278
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:46,159
put it out there. People are suggesting

2279
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:49,040
dietimmacous earth. Um, and it's not

2280
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,000
something that's allowed in our

2281
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,760
pesticide ordinance, but it seems like

2282
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:53,440
something that could be applied under an

2283
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:55,440
exemption. But what are the pros and

2284
01:44:55,440 --> 01:45:02,790
cons of using dietimmacous earth?

2285
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,560
The

2286
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:08,159
it will not kill the eggs. um as long as

2287
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:10,800
it stays dry. My understanding is it can

2288
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:14,400
have effects on them once they hatch. Um

2289
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,040
but it's a slow process

2290
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:21,040
and it doesn't help guarantee that fleas

2291
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:24,480
aren't going to get inside the building.

2292
01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:27,199
Um

2293
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:30,800
the pros is that it is

2294
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,600
a natural substance.

2295
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:35,360
Well, I don't know if natural is the

2296
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,320
right word, but

2297
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,360
it's not classified as a pesticide or

2298
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,560
insecticide. Um,

2299
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:47,760
but it can be very dangerous to breathe

2300
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:49,840
it in. Although, weirdly, you can eat

2301
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:53,920
it. So, it's a strange product. Um, but

2302
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:58,800
it is known to help control fleas

2303
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:04,159
over time. Um, and so my my biggest

2304
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:07,040
concern with asking for the exception to

2305
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,000
use dietimmacous earth was that we would

2306
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:13,040
still be waiting

2307
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,639
weeks and just hoping that fleas weren't

2308
01:46:16,639 --> 01:46:19,199
going to get into the fire station.

2309
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:21,760
>> Okay, so that was one question. Um,

2310
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,719
boric acid apparently doesn't kill the

2311
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:26,719
eggs and then we'd have sort of some of

2312
01:46:26,719 --> 01:46:28,080
the same issue, right? like we'd be

2313
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:29,280
waiting for them to hatch and then

2314
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:30,480
hoping that the boric acid would kill

2315
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:31,760
them after they hatch and they could

2316
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,840
still get in the building. And um I'm

2317
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,199
assuming that's the case, right? That's

2318
01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:37,119
it's about the same issue. It's just a

2319
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:38,239
different I know it's a different

2320
01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:39,760
mechanism of killing them, but it sounds

2321
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:43,440
like it has the same slow

2322
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:44,000
uh

2323
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,199
>> Yeah. And there's very um mixed

2324
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:49,920
consensus on if it actually is that

2325
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:54,639
effective for fleas. Um

2326
01:46:54,639 --> 01:46:58,080
it will like dehydrate the larvae if

2327
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:02,159
they come across it or

2328
01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:03,840
uh they actually they may have to eat

2329
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:06,960
that one and then if they come across

2330
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:10,400
the dietmacious earth that's more of

2331
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:14,000
like a body contact. Okay. And then

2332
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:15,520
Okay. So sorry my final thing just

2333
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:16,800
because I'm listening to what people are

2334
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,080
saying and also just really curious

2335
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:21,119
about some of these things. um

2336
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:23,199
this is in a flood zone. I think uh Mr.

2337
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:25,600
Greenberg was right. I mean it sounds

2338
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:28,000
like we think and I'd love more clarity

2339
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,239
on this um that the effects dissipate

2340
01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:32,480
over time, right? So the effects of it

2341
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:33,920
that's why you have to keep reapplying

2342
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,239
it. And so my just my main concern is

2343
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:39,440
that there not be some instance in which

2344
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,440
um you know and maybe it's so little it

2345
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:42,639
doesn't it's not going to be that big a

2346
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:44,719
deal but you know where we have some

2347
01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:46,880
massive flooding like in an El Nino year

2348
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:48,800
and it like washes this all out from

2349
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,480
under the building and get puts it in

2350
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:52,560
the creek. Um I don't know how concerned

2351
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:55,520
to be about that.

2352
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:58,000
>> I think with that amount of water it

2353
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:59,760
would get

2354
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,560
very diluted. I mean we would have I

2355
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:05,679
think much bigger problems going on if

2356
01:48:05,679 --> 01:48:07,679
>> so I'm I'm ready to make a motion. I

2357
01:48:07,679 --> 01:48:08,504
just want to make a comment.

2358
01:48:08,504 --> 01:48:10,560
[clears throat] Dietimmacous earth as

2359
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,800
you mentioned these very small

2360
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,199
particullet which can get into the avi

2361
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:18,000
of the lungs can be very dangerous for

2362
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,320
humans. Boric acid can be dangerous for

2363
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:23,040
pets. So if you use boric acid in your

2364
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:26,880
home and you have cats or dogs it can be

2365
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,280
very dangerous for them. So these

2366
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,280
things, even though they sound natural

2367
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:34,719
to us, they're not so natural and

2368
01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:37,440
arsenic is natural and can kill you. So

2369
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:39,760
I would make a motion to say adopt a

2370
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,600
resolution and the supplemental

2371
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,400
resolution authorizing an exception to

2372
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,400
the town's pesticide ordinance for

2373
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,800
targeted flea treatment beneath the

2374
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:53,510
temporary fire station.

2375
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:56,320
» Second.

2376
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:57,040
We have a

2377
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:58,880
>> I'd like to make a comment. I I asked a

2378
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:00,320
couple questions early on. I haven't

2379
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:04,000
commented yet. Um

2380
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,000
I work with groups and we do pesticide

2381
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,199
litigation regularly. We've gone all the

2382
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:11,040
way to the California Supreme Court and

2383
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,840
the US Supreme Court on pesticides. So

2384
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,199
I'm really concerned about our

2385
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:19,440
firefighter safety. you know, they're constantly threatened with with

2386
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:24,880
toxics from the clothing they wear for for for to try to wear clothing that

2387
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,119
won't burn on them to to the plastics

2388
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:29,199
where they enter a uh you enter a fire

2389
01:49:29,199 --> 01:49:32,159
area and and I'm not sure they really

2390
01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:34,239
want to spend a night in that fire in

2391
01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:37,520
that temporary fire house uh that's been

2392
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,679
sprayed with some kind of a pesticide.

2393
01:49:39,679 --> 01:49:41,760
I' I'd rather seek an alternative. I'd

2394
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:43,760
come back next I'd come back in a couple

2395
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,440
days for another meeting if we can find

2396
01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:48,719
an alternative. Thank you.

2397
01:49:48,719 --> 01:49:50,800
>> We have a motion from Council Member

2398
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,040
Kohler and a second from Council Member

2399
01:49:53,040 --> 01:50:02,709
Garangelli, Council Member Blash.

2400
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:05,840
I actually can't make up my mind. Um,

2401
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,880
can I pass? [laughter]

2402
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:10,320
I think you abstain rather.

2403
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:12,000
>> All right, I'm going to abstain.

2404
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:13,679
>> Council member Garangelli,

2405
01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:14,400
>> yes.

2406
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:15,920
>> Council member Kohler,

2407
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:16,800
>> yes.

2408
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:18,000
>> Vice Mayor Agger,

2409
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:18,960
>> no.

2410
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:20,159
>> Mayor Helman,

2411
01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:20,960
>> yes.

2412
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:22,159
>> Motion carries.

2413
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:23,600
>> Well, I thought we needed a super

2414
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,709
majority.

2415
01:50:26,719 --> 01:50:29,440
» Excuse me. Yes, we do. Thank you for

2416
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:29,840
correcting.

2417
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:37,109
>> You're welcome. Um, that's

2418
01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:39,280
» I wasn't sure how you vote. How How did

2419
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:40,639
Council Member Blash vote?

2420
01:50:40,639 --> 01:50:43,119
>> She abstained. I Well, I forgot about

2421
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:46,880
the super majority thing. Um, so if

2422
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:48,880
somebody abstains, then is it a super

2423
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:50,080
majority of those who vote or you just

2424
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:51,119
need a supermajority of the whole

2425
01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:54,000
council?

2426
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,920
>> I super majority will be four

2427
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,920
affirmative votes.

2428
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,000
>> Okay. I'm I'm just a little I I don't

2429
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,440
I'm still a little concerned about this

2430
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:03,040
issue just because the firefighters have

2431
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,199
asked. I mean, we can Can I change my

2432
01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:06,800
vote? Is it over?

2433
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,040
>> The firemen are actually asking for it.

2434
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:10,880
>> Yeah, you can change your vote if we

2435
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,880
want to go through it again. Let's just

2436
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:13,840
go through a new vote.

2437
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,400
>> Okay. There'll be a new motion.

2438
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:19,199
>> So, I make the motion to adopt the

2439
01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:22,080
supplemental resolution authorizing an

2440
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:24,400
exception to the town's pesticide

2441
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,280
ordinance for targeted flea treatment

2442
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:31,199
beneath the temporary fire station.

2443
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:31,760
Second.

2444
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:34,159
>> Second.

2445
01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:35,840
>> We have a motion from Council Member

2446
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:37,599
Kohler and a second from Council Member

2447
01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:40,480
Garen Gelli. Council member Blash. Okay.

2448
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:41,840
I'm just going to say yes because the

2449
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,080
firefighters did ask for it. Council

2450
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:45,679
member Garenelli.

2451
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:48,000
>> I'm going to say yes for that same

2452
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,199
reason.

2453
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:50,639
>> Council member Kohler.

2454
01:51:50,639 --> 01:51:51,599
>> Yes.

2455
01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:52,960
>> Vice Mayor Ager.

2456
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:53,760
>> No.

2457
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:54,960
>> Mayor Helman.

2458
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:56,080
>> Yes.

2459
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:57,119
>> Motion carries.

2460
01:51:57,119 --> 01:52:01,589
>> Thank you.

2461
01:52:01,599 --> 01:52:05,599
All right, moving along to item number

2462
01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:08,800
three. This is a micro grid concept

2463
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:12,880
discussion. We will be receiving a

2464
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:17,440
presentation on the municipal micro grid

2465
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:20,159
project for the town of Fairfax

2466
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:23,360
facilities and provide direction to

2467
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:27,199
staff. There is a staff report and a

2468
01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:29,920
presentation that Bridget Whipler will

2469
01:52:29,920 --> 01:53:08,790
be providing.

2470
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:11,040
Mayor, would you mind if we take a

2471
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:13,920
twominut bio break while we resolve our

2472
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:15,760
technical difficulties?

2473
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,480
>> Sure. Thank you.

2474
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:25,830
Okay, let's resume.

2475
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:27,119
Okay, this is something I've been

2476
01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:30,480
looking forward to. And

2477
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:34,320
Bridget, please take it away.

2478
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:35,920
>> Thank you. Um, my name is Bridget

2479
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,199
Whitler. I'm the climate action

2480
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:39,440
coordinator for the town of Fairfax.

2481
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:41,440
Happy to be here and thanks for closer

2482
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:42,400
to the mic.

2483
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:46,560
>> Of course. Is this better? Cool.

2484
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,400
My name is Bridget Whitler. Happy to be

2485
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,080
here. I'll be speaking about the

2486
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:53,040
conceptual municipal micro grid con

2487
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,400
concept today and to start just the

2488
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:58,800
purpose of today's presentation is to

2489
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:01,920
provide information on um solar battery

2490
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:04,239
and micro grid systems for Fairfax and

2491
01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:06,239
what that would look like as well as

2492
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:08,159
receive town council direction on how to

2493
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:09,760
proceed.

2494
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:13,199
topics that we'll discuss today are how

2495
01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:15,760
Fairfax can have resilient buildings, um

2496
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:18,159
what we might do to get there, as well

2497
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:20,400
as current the current state of our

2498
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:23,520
solar infrastructure and how state laws

2499
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:26,960
change solar incentives for batteries as

2500
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:30,000
well as um what conceptual micro grids

2501
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,360
would look like and next steps.

2502
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,400
So, a question of why would we want to

2503
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:38,560
have resilient town buildings? Why are

2504
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,280
we having this conversation? Um, so the

2505
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:44,320
town has experienced many outages. Uh,

2506
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:47,520
for example, between 2021 and 2024,

2507
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:51,119
there were 13 outages for an average of

2508
01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:53,360
3 and 1/2 hours. And what that would

2509
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:56,800
mean for the town would be meetings like

2510
01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:00,080
this canled due to those outages. uh

2511
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:04,239
staff in the courtyard and without safe

2512
01:55:04,239 --> 01:55:06,719
working conditions,

2513
01:55:06,719 --> 01:55:10,960
police department EV chargers unusable

2514
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:14,800
uh and other conditions related to

2515
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:16,960
outages.

2516
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:20,159
Benefits of resilience during those

2517
01:55:20,159 --> 01:55:23,360
outages as well as other extreme weather

2518
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:25,520
events would be ensuring safety and

2519
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:28,159
comfort for staff and residents as well

2520
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:31,599
as reducing repair costs and making sure

2521
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:33,599
that staff are able to work during those

2522
01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:37,040
outages and um providing support for the

2523
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:40,560
community through resources and uh

2524
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:44,080
spaces like the pavilion. Uh and and I

2525
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:46,000
know that the town has done this um but

2526
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,159
provide power during outages so people

2527
01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:51,040
can come and charge their phone um or

2528
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:55,030
other necessities.

2529
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:57,040
So how might we make our buildings more

2530
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,679
functional uh and also reduce energy

2531
01:55:59,679 --> 01:56:02,239
costs while we're at it?

2532
01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:04,400
And just to make sure that everyone's on

2533
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:06,639
the same page, uh because a lot of these

2534
01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:09,119
are words that might not come up in

2535
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:12,960
every day is that a micro grid is one or

2536
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,040
more solar systems. So we have solar

2537
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:17,440
panels on our pavilion right now and

2538
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:19,199
that would be more similar to a solar

2539
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:21,679
and uh a solar and battery system. We

2540
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:23,520
don't have a battery. But a one:one

2541
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:25,440
system is more like solar battery. But a

2542
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:28,000
micro grid system is just one or more

2543
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,800
solar panel systems connected to

2544
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:32,880
multiple buildings.

2545
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,760
And I'll be talking about net energy

2546
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:39,040
metering. And what that means is is a

2547
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:40,880
contract with a utility, in this case

2548
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,440
PG& regarding how they bill us for the

2549
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:47,679
energy that we both produce and consume.

2550
01:56:47,679 --> 01:56:50,080
And when I say resilience, I mostly just

2551
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:53,040
mean reliability um and dependability

2552
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:55,840
during disruption.

2553
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,159
So our current system, we are under net

2554
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:02,000
energy metering one and we are in this

2555
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:03,599
contract because we have solar panels.

2556
01:57:03,599 --> 01:57:08,239
They were installed in 2009. Um and when

2557
01:57:08,239 --> 01:57:11,199
we produce solar for our town buildings,

2558
01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:14,639
we also produce a little excess. And

2559
01:57:14,639 --> 01:57:18,159
when we aren't using all of that power,

2560
01:57:18,159 --> 01:57:21,199
the grid and PG& buys that power from us

2561
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:24,400
at 47 around 47 cents per kilowatt

2562
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:27,280
hours. Uh and so that turns into revenue

2563
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:30,159
for the town that we then don't pay for

2564
01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:34,080
the energy. Uh so it's a great savings

2565
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:38,080
and incentive tool for solar

2566
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:40,239
as well as and so currently some of our

2567
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:42,480
town buildings, our town hall and police

2568
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,560
as well as our fire station have backup

2569
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:47,280
generators uh which serve as a great

2570
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,000
tool during um outages.

2571
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:51,760
But

2572
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,599
when those fail, they are very

2573
01:57:53,599 --> 01:57:57,280
expensive. Um and having different types

2574
01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:01,280
of backup is a is a form of resilience.

2575
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:04,239
So, what's going to change is that come

2576
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:07,119
next year, our net energy metering is

2577
01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:10,000
going to change to I'll I'm going to say

2578
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:15,199
NEM 3 and I'll direct your focus to the

2579
01:58:15,199 --> 01:58:17,920
bottom left of this slide. And so our

2580
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:20,800
solar panels regardless of what we end

2581
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:24,320
up doing either add or adding not adding

2582
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:27,920
whatever we do we will our contract will

2583
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,560
ex our ne one contract will expire. And

2584
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:32,560
what that means is that this new

2585
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:36,639
contract nema 3 will reduce the profit

2586
01:58:36,639 --> 01:58:38,880
that we make on the energy sold back to

2587
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:43,360
the grid by tfold or reducing it by

2588
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,840
10fold. So instead of around 50 cents

2589
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:48,239
per kilowatt hours we we will be making

2590
01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:50,480
5 cents around 5 cents per kilowatt

2591
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:53,520
hours. Uh and so the energy that we are

2592
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:58,950
not using will be

2593
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,520
more or less wasted and the revenue that

2594
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:05,040
we were making will be lost um under

2595
01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:07,599
this new contract. And so what that is

2596
01:59:07,599 --> 01:59:10,480
incentivizing is for us to be able to

2597
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:12,560
store the energy that we make so we it

2598
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:14,400
doesn't get um kind of lost back to the

2599
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,719
grid because we're not making any

2600
01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:19,199
revenue from putting it back into the

2601
01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:22,950
grid.

2602
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:25,199
This is just a summary of what I was

2603
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:28,400
explaining. Under NEM1,

2604
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,280
our excess solar is allowed to be sold

2605
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:34,080
back to the grid at full retail rates.

2606
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:40,239
And that's 20 years ago. This contract was made to in incentivize

2607
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:42,639
solar, but now California has a lot of

2608
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:44,400
solar. We are very used to it. And so

2609
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,000
what they're trying to do is incentivize

2610
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,880
batteries with this new um NEM3

2611
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:51,599
contract. And this so this favors

2612
01:59:51,599 --> 01:59:54,080
battery so that you can consume the the

2613
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:58,870
energy that you use.

2614
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,400
So a potential micro grid would look

2615
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:04,400
like

2616
02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:07,920
solar panels on roof and

2617
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:11,440
less reliance on grid and generators and

2618
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:13,840
more battery storage so that we are

2619
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:16,239
using the energy that we make um and

2620
02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:19,920
being able to save money on the energy

2621
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:22,960
that we would be buying um late at

2622
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:25,280
night. uh that is usually at a higher

2623
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:27,920
cost because energy during the daytime

2624
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:31,280
is much more prolific and much um at a

2625
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:34,159
lower cost.

2626
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:38,719
And in this situation, because we have

2627
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:42,480
solar um charged batteries, if there was

2628
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:46,000
an outage, uh we would not have to rely

2629
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:47,599
on our generators. We could still have

2630
02:00:47,599 --> 02:00:51,040
them there if needed. Um but we wouldn't

2631
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:54,000
be paying um for this extra solar and we

2632
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:57,199
would also have more energy during those

2633
02:00:57,199 --> 02:00:59,280
outages to cover a lot of the resources

2634
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:04,629
that I mentioned earlier.

2635
02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:08,000
So, this new this potential system with

2636
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:12,080
batteries and updated solar comes at a

2637
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:14,960
good time because our pavilion roof

2638
02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:17,360
needs replacing and our pavilion roof

2639
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:20,000
has these uh almost 20-year-old solar

2640
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:23,840
panels. Uh and while replacing the roof,

2641
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:26,560
it would be a convenient time to also

2642
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:30,239
update those panels. Um because

2643
02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:32,239
in the span of 20 years, solar

2644
02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:35,199
technology has greatly uh improved and

2645
02:01:35,199 --> 02:01:39,040
we can produce a lot more energy on the

2646
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:42,320
space of the pavilion, if not space on

2647
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:44,880
whatever roof we could decide that works

2648
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:48,239
well for Fairfax. Um and produces much

2649
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:51,199
more energy than we are right now. And

2650
02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:53,920
like I said, under NEM3, we would save a

2651
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:56,800
lot more money by using the the the

2652
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,280
energy that we

2653
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:05,119
uh create. And um while adding these

2654
02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:08,080
batteries, they could provide backup

2655
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:10,560
power for our police department vehicles

2656
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:13,440
and future police um or public work

2657
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:21,750
vehicles at cost effective um prices.

2658
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:25,679
And there are many precedents that

2659
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:29,599
support no upfront town capital options

2660
02:02:29,599 --> 02:02:31,199
for

2661
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:34,560
providers that could support us in this

2662
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,679
project. So there are options that have

2663
02:02:37,679 --> 02:02:40,960
third-party providers financing projects

2664
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:42,880
upfront and maintaining the

2665
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:44,480
infrastructure

2666
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:47,440
until we until the town owns it over

2667
02:02:47,440 --> 02:02:51,760
time. Um, and different models have

2668
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,000
different timelines for how much the

2669
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:56,960
town would owe or and over what amount

2670
02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:01,440
of time. Um, but it would relieve the

2671
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:05,840
town of that upfront cost. um and help

2672
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:10,000
the town have a little bit of safety for

2673
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:13,920
any technical risk with technology of

2674
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,000
either the battery

2675
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:19,040
um and would yeah have some more

2676
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:22,639
flexibility there

2677
02:03:22,639 --> 02:03:25,119
and like I said reduce utility costs

2678
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:27,840
offset um payments to provider which

2679
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,639
would mean savings over time as well as

2680
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:33,679
we wouldn't have to pay for expensive of

2681
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:35,360
nighttime energy because we would

2682
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:38,000
produce solar powered energy during the

2683
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:41,430
day.

2684
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:45,760
So, a quick summary and um our town

2685
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:47,840
services are affected by outages. Our

2686
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:49,679
public meetings um are affected by

2687
02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:51,840
outages. Residents need reliable places

2688
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:55,280
for shelter, energy, and resources.

2689
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:59,199
Um currently we don't ha these projects

2690
02:03:59,199 --> 02:04:02,560
cost money and um we don't have the

2691
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:05,360
current upfront finances for that. Uh

2692
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:08,400
and with NE3 our energy bills will

2693
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:12,400
increase um because

2694
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:15,199
the drastic reduction of the revenue

2695
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:17,760
that we that we make through our solar

2696
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:20,880
energy uh incentivizes us to capture

2697
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:22,719
that energy to be able to use that

2698
02:04:22,719 --> 02:04:25,040
another time. um whether that's at

2699
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:27,440
nighttime or during these outages. And

2700
02:04:27,440 --> 02:04:31,119
we cannot access certain incentives for

2701
02:04:31,119 --> 02:04:34,320
batteries or updated solar um that third

2702
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:37,679
party providers can access um to make it

2703
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:42,159
an even more cost-effective project.

2704
02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:44,320
And currently infrastructure needs like

2705
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,400
the pivilian roof, updating our

2706
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:48,320
electrical panels because we are hoping

2707
02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:52,159
to electrify more of our fleet um as

2708
02:04:52,159 --> 02:04:55,280
well as old solar panels all kind of

2709
02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:58,080
combine for a potential holistic

2710
02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:00,960
solution.

2711
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:04,159
And a summary a summary of town benefits

2712
02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:07,119
include reliable town services

2713
02:05:07,119 --> 02:05:09,920
operationable operational during outages

2714
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:12,480
as well as potential community centers

2715
02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:15,040
when the grid goes down. Um like I said

2716
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:17,280
no upfront potential no upfront capital

2717
02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:21,119
costs um when a third party provider

2718
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:23,360
funds the project. Um and they can

2719
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:27,199
access those tax incentives. Um

2720
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:29,119
this also third party provider would

2721
02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:32,719
maintain until the town ownership and um

2722
02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:35,840
long-term utility costs would would

2723
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:37,840
ultimately be lowered uh and avoiding

2724
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:41,199
that nighttime power like I said. And

2725
02:05:41,199 --> 02:05:46,080
just to summarize, uh this timing

2726
02:05:46,080 --> 02:05:48,560
co uh collides with pavilion roof

2727
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:50,639
replacement, avoiding another retrofit

2728
02:05:50,639 --> 02:05:52,320
if we choose to update our solar at a

2729
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:54,560
different time. Uh as well as updating

2730
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:58,159
our electric and uh fleet. And if we

2731
02:05:58,159 --> 02:06:00,000
were to update our solar panels, they

2732
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:03,760
would be much more efficient um at

2733
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:06,159
producing power. So what we need from

2734
02:06:06,159 --> 02:06:09,920
you today is that staff recommend uh or

2735
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:11,840
that council direct staff to continue

2736
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,480
pursuing a micro grid solution and what

2737
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:16,080
that would look like is to continue

2738
02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:19,119
research of what these mic technologies

2739
02:06:19,119 --> 02:06:20,719
uh might look like specifically for

2740
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:22,560
Fairfax as well as those financing

2741
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:26,639
options that I mentioned um and issue an

2742
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:30,239
RFP, RFQ or IFI depending on what staff

2743
02:06:30,239 --> 02:06:33,360
determine is the best way forward and we

2744
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:36,000
would return to council with a proposal.

2745
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:37,920
And so what those private partners will

2746
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:39,760
do is develop technical and financial

2747
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:42,159
proposals, uh present financing options

2748
02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:44,719
that minimize municipal financial risk

2749
02:06:44,719 --> 02:06:47,599
and quantify expected energy savings,

2750
02:06:47,599 --> 02:06:49,440
resilience benefits, and life cycle

2751
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:51,440
costs. We will then present those

2752
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:54,880
proposals um to you all.

2753
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:57,360
And that's all I have um and obviously

2754
02:06:57,360 --> 02:07:00,800
here to answer any questions you have.

2755
02:07:00,800 --> 02:07:03,360
>> Great. Thank you, Bridget. I have some

2756
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:04,960
questions and comments, but go ahead

2757
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:07,199
Barbara Culler.

2758
02:07:07,199 --> 02:07:11,040
>> Thank you, Stephanie Helman.

2759
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:13,520
Um, just thank you, Bridget. That was

2760
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:15,840
really good. And thanks to folks like

2761
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:17,520
Bruce who've been working on this with

2762
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:21,599
you and others and Kristen. Um, just a

2763
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:23,760
couple of questions on the upfront

2764
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:26,719
financing. So, I understand the idea of

2765
02:07:26,719 --> 02:07:29,280
a third-party provider

2766
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:33,920
um paying for potentially solar. Um I

2767
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:36,320
don't understand a third party provider

2768
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:38,560
being willing to change the roof on the

2769
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:41,679
pavilion, which is quite expensive.

2770
02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:44,320
And I just want to ask you if that's

2771
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:46,880
been discussed, but the second part is

2772
02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:49,920
one thing I didn't understand is how

2773
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:53,520
does the payback work over time? Is it I

2774
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:56,079
mean I realize a lot of this is

2775
02:07:56,079 --> 02:07:58,800
continuing to research and all that but

2776
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:01,920
is there sort of a what you've seen of

2777
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:05,040
how the payback works is do we pay on a

2778
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:07,760
monthly basis a yearly basis until

2779
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:10,159
eventually we pay it off. So two

2780
02:08:10,159 --> 02:08:12,400
questions for you. Thank you Bridget.

2781
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:14,159
>> Yeah. So your first question was about

2782
02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:16,079
who would want to even touch the roof

2783
02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:17,360
and pay for that because that's

2784
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:19,920
expensive. Um, and there are, and that's

2785
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:23,599
what we also had questions of, um, but

2786
02:08:23,599 --> 02:08:26,000
there are certain, um, thirdparty

2787
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:28,719
providers out there that are willing to

2788
02:08:28,719 --> 02:08:30,239
include,

2789
02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:32,239
um,

2790
02:08:32,239 --> 02:08:35,119
aspects of in uh, infrastructure updates

2791
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:38,159
in order to apply more solar and

2792
02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:42,560
battery. And so their

2793
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:45,520
initial interest in working with um

2794
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:48,880
towns or whoever they're working with is

2795
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:52,480
to update um solar and battery. And when

2796
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,639
clients need certain other

2797
02:08:54,639 --> 02:08:56,880
infrastructure updates, they are willing

2798
02:08:56,880 --> 02:09:00,960
to help cover those costs as well. Um

2799
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:03,280
not all but some 30 third party

2800
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:04,400
providers.

2801
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:06,560
>> Okay. And then um I have a question for

2802
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:09,280
Kristen and then I'll ask you the second

2803
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:12,079
question I asked which is you know with

2804
02:09:12,079 --> 02:09:14,719
an old building it's like one of those

2805
02:09:14,719 --> 02:09:17,199
things where you get into change an

2806
02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:18,719
electrical outlet and all of a sudden

2807
02:09:18,719 --> 02:09:21,119
you're redoing electricity.

2808
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:24,800
Is there a fear of the same kind of

2809
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:27,440
thing with the roof? Let let's say we do

2810
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:30,159
get a third party provider who's willing

2811
02:09:30,159 --> 02:09:33,360
to pay for upfront the roof which is a

2812
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:36,800
lot of money 800,000 maybe more. Um I

2813
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:40,000
don't know I remember it was a lot but

2814
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:43,280
anyway and then the solar but is there a

2815
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:45,520
fear that once you get into the roof

2816
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:48,560
you're getting into other things that

2817
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:51,119
weren't anticipated? Do you see that

2818
02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:54,400
with the pavilion or is it simple that

2819
02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:56,000
once you take the roof off you just

2820
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:59,280
replace the roof?

2821
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:01,840
>> There's a risk that they could find more

2822
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:04,719
rot than expected. Usually how you

2823
02:10:04,719 --> 02:10:08,000
combat that is by having I mean one

2824
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:10,159
planning for a certain amount of rot and

2825
02:10:10,159 --> 02:10:13,199
then having contingency in the project.

2826
02:10:13,199 --> 02:10:13,920
>> Okay.

2827
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:14,560
>> To

2828
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:16,320
>> All right. In going back to my second

2829
02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:20,000
question for Bridget, how is how does

2830
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:21,599
just the companies that you've talked

2831
02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:24,400
to, how does the payback work? Is it

2832
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:26,400
like for 20 years? Is it like a

2833
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:28,079
mortgage? How does that work?

2834
02:10:28,079 --> 02:10:30,079
>> Yeah. So it it can be explained

2835
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:32,960
similarly to on bill financing which we

2836
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:35,840
were doing for solar where we would pay

2837
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:39,280
slowly over time um depending on the

2838
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:42,880
model whether that's monthly or annually

2839
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:45,280
but we would pay the amount that we were

2840
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:48,639
saving um to pay off for the solar um

2841
02:10:48,639 --> 02:10:52,000
like that's a similar system as some

2842
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:55,360
would do so slowly over time um and

2843
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:57,840
that's how just a few years ago we are

2844
02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:00,880
fully owners of the solar now. Um, and

2845
02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:02,960
so we didn't pay for that solar upfront.

2846
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:05,440
We did it slowly over time through the

2847
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:09,440
savings um, or like back through to P

2848
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:12,639
Gen of what we were saving. And so there

2849
02:11:12,639 --> 02:11:16,719
are multiple financial models. Some are

2850
02:11:16,719 --> 02:11:19,280
called energy as a service. Um, and so

2851
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:21,040
what that would mean is that we generate

2852
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:23,440
around $25,000

2853
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:28,159
per year of energy. um or and that's

2854
02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:30,639
what we make the revenue that I was

2855
02:11:30,639 --> 02:11:34,239
talking about for 477 cents on the um

2856
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:37,280
the kilowatt hour and

2857
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:40,400
what third party providers would ask is

2858
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:45,599
that what we are generating um

2859
02:11:45,599 --> 02:11:50,719
we would then pay a small small amount

2860
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:55,760
for their like slowly over time pay

2861
02:11:55,760 --> 02:12:01,440
the like battery um and solar costs

2862
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:04,480
through those savings. Um so instead of

2863
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:07,520
them going to PG& they would go to the

2864
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:11,599
third party provider um because we would

2865
02:12:11,599 --> 02:12:15,360
have paid PG& for our utility um bills

2866
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:16,719
but [clears throat] then they then

2867
02:12:16,719 --> 02:12:18,719
instead go to third party. Yeah.

2868
02:12:18,719 --> 02:12:19,840
>> Does that make sense?

2869
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:21,840
>> Yeah. I mean I think some of the details

2870
02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:23,520
have to be worked out but thank you for

2871
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:25,119
that explanation. appreciate it.

2872
02:12:25,119 --> 02:12:27,199
>> Yeah,

2873
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:28,400
>> great mic.

2874
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:31,119
>> Oh, thank you. Um, as always, a great

2875
02:12:31,119 --> 02:12:36,079
presentation. So, appreciate that. Um,

2876
02:12:36,079 --> 02:12:38,719
I would imagine

2877
02:12:38,719 --> 02:12:41,679
Barbara Kohler mentioned

2878
02:12:41,679 --> 02:12:45,920
that the um the roof replacement, right?

2879
02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:48,400
But I imagine that you're replacing lots

2880
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:50,800
of things, electrical to handle this

2881
02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:52,880
micro grid. I would just imagine

2882
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:55,199
everything has to be redone in my mind.

2883
02:12:55,199 --> 02:12:56,719
But either way, it doesn't matter to me

2884
02:12:56,719 --> 02:12:57,920
right now.

2885
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:01,520
>> I will be voting or recommending to

2886
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:04,000
along with the I'm sure the rest of the

2887
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,480
uh council that we keep pushing forward

2888
02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:09,199
and see what else we can learn.

2889
02:13:09,199 --> 02:13:09,679
>> Thank you.

2890
02:13:09,679 --> 02:13:12,239
>> I appreciate that.

2891
02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:14,159
>> Any other This is This is questions.

2892
02:13:14,159 --> 02:13:16,079
>> Question questions. Sure. Yeah. Uh I'm

2893
02:13:16,079 --> 02:13:17,599
trying to figure out how old that roof

2894
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:19,280
is.

2895
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:24,000
it Is it 17 years old? Do we know?

2896
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:25,679
>> I don't have the answer to that right

2897
02:13:25,679 --> 02:13:27,920
now. I think we could look back into the

2898
02:13:27,920 --> 02:13:30,239
facility condition assessment and get

2899
02:13:30,239 --> 02:13:32,079
that information out.

2900
02:13:32,079 --> 02:13:34,800
>> We recently replaced the roof is $42,000

2901
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:36,960
for a house.

2902
02:13:36,960 --> 02:13:39,520
Do don't we have an estimate for the for

2903
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:42,400
cost to replace that roof? We we did

2904
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:44,639
have a rough estimate and it's in the

2905
02:13:44,639 --> 02:13:47,520
hundreds of thousands of dollars and um

2906
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:50,880
uh council member Kler remembered about

2907
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:53,280
800,000. That's a number that I remember

2908
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:56,960
as well. Um it it may be that may be a

2909
02:13:56,960 --> 02:14:00,079
little high um because the building is,

2910
02:14:00,079 --> 02:14:03,440
you know, needs a lot of work, but um

2911
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:07,520
it's a significant roofing job.

2912
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:10,639
Um, is this will this be a Tesla battery

2913
02:14:10,639 --> 02:14:12,480
program? Uh,

2914
02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:15,199
>> uh, it would depend on what proposals we

2915
02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:17,199
receive. I would I would assume that

2916
02:14:17,199 --> 02:14:21,040
different um different providers might

2917
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:23,040
recommend different types of batteries.

2918
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:24,960
So, I think that could be an option that

2919
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:27,360
we receive, but there's also non-thium

2920
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:29,440
and solid state batteries or lithium

2921
02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:32,159
batteries. So, it would really depend on

2922
02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:36,000
um what proposals we we receive. Yeah.

2923
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:39,520
So, at what point would it be that

2924
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:42,159
I'm just concerned that if we've got a

2925
02:14:42,159 --> 02:14:44,960
huge bill to replace that roof, I don't

2926
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:46,880
know what where the funds are going to

2927
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:48,639
come from. And I mean, I'm I'm

2928
02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:51,920
supportive of the program, but but

2929
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:53,119
three months from now, I don't want to

2930
02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:56,400
find out we're going to put out

2931
02:14:56,400 --> 02:14:59,760
a half a million dollars on a new roof.

2932
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:02,880
If I if I may just jump in. Um the

2933
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:06,079
concept here is that we um continue

2934
02:15:06,079 --> 02:15:10,000
exploring this option and that um the

2935
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:13,440
hope is that the cost of replacing the

2936
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:16,960
roof would come under this program so

2937
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:19,760
that we would not as the town have to

2938
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:22,639
put a capital out immediately for that.

2939
02:15:22,639 --> 02:15:26,480
we would use the savings to pay off the

2940
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:29,840
um the capital of the roof which is

2941
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:33,520
needed in order to support new solar. In

2942
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:35,199
other words,

2943
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:37,119
it would be a crit if I don't really

2944
02:15:37,119 --> 02:15:38,719
understand the difference between an RFP

2945
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:41,280
and RFQ and RFI, but I know what an RFP

2946
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:42,800
is. So, in other words, that would be

2947
02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:45,119
the criteria that would be within the

2948
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:47,840
criteria that you send out to to bid

2949
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:49,040
essentially.

2950
02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:51,440
>> Yes. that there's no capital outlay from

2951
02:15:51,440 --> 02:15:52,800
the town.

2952
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,040
>> Yes, that would be a criteria. And we

2953
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:59,199
could also to um answer an another part

2954
02:15:59,199 --> 02:16:01,920
of your question, Vice Mayor Edgar, is

2955
02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:06,480
um it's potential that we could specify

2956
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:10,320
a type a class of battery if we have a

2957
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:12,639
preference. For example, if we are

2958
02:16:12,639 --> 02:16:16,000
concerned about um fire risk in a

2959
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:18,639
certain like lithium ion battery as an

2960
02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:20,480
example,

2961
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:22,480
Fairfax sold bonds on some of our

2962
02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:25,280
buildings to to do some refinancing. Was

2963
02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:27,119
the pavilion one of the buildings that

2964
02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:29,920
was bonds were sold on put up for

2965
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:33,030
collateral.

2966
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:37,359
That was for the refi of we we did some

2967
02:16:37,359 --> 02:16:40,240
when we refied the pension obligations,

2968
02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:43,200
we did use some collateral of certain

2969
02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:45,439
town buildings.

2970
02:16:45,439 --> 02:16:46,559
That's my recollection.

2971
02:16:46,559 --> 02:16:49,280
>> Okay. Um I'd be happy to check with our

2972
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:51,679
finance that was before you about that.

2973
02:16:51,679 --> 02:16:54,479
I mean that is in fact the the purpose

2974
02:16:54,479 --> 02:16:57,920
of this discussion is really to just um

2975
02:16:57,920 --> 02:17:00,479
do you want us to continue

2976
02:17:00,479 --> 02:17:02,479
spending effort to move forward?

2977
02:17:02,479 --> 02:17:04,800
>> I'm concerned if if if if if we've

2978
02:17:04,800 --> 02:17:08,240
already bond bonded the value of the

2979
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:12,479
building or are we going to be able to

2980
02:17:12,479 --> 02:17:14,240
take in effect take a loan to replace

2981
02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:16,479
the roof on that building that's that we

2982
02:17:16,479 --> 02:17:18,639
don't own really.

2983
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:20,000
>> We can explore that. That's a good

2984
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:20,559
question.

2985
02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:22,479
>> Yeah. I I understand.

2986
02:17:22,479 --> 02:17:24,800
>> Um, Bridget, I have a question. So,

2987
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:26,160
because one thing I learned and I've

2988
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:28,559
been digging into this quite a bit. So,

2989
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:31,280
from what you presented, if we do

2990
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:34,479
nothing, so NEM1's moving to NEM3, no

2991
02:17:34,479 --> 02:17:37,519
matter what, we're going to lose

2992
02:17:37,519 --> 02:17:40,080
revenue.

2993
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:42,880
And so it really creates the

2994
02:17:42,880 --> 02:17:45,840
circumstances for doing something and

2995
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:48,240
becoming more obviously resilient, but

2996
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:50,319
also financially resilient, too, because

2997
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:51,840
we're going to have to we we're not

2998
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:53,120
going to have it. We're not going to be

2999
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:54,800
making as much money. It's obviously not

3000
02:17:54,800 --> 02:17:57,359
a huge revenue stream, but it will be

3001
02:17:57,359 --> 02:17:59,920
more expensive for us if we do nothing.

3002
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:00,960
Is that correct?

3003
02:18:00,960 --> 02:18:02,000
>> That's correct.

3004
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:02,399
>> Okay.

3005
02:18:02,399 --> 02:18:03,920
>> Mhm.

3006
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:09,110
>> Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. Um

3007
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:11,920
I'm just looking at my notes and then is

3008
02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:14,240
there in scope for this or is this

3009
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:15,920
something that you're exploring as far

3010
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:18,800
as EV chargers?

3011
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:22,000
So like I said how the roof

3012
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:24,960
infrastructure would be an incentive for

3013
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:27,439
third party prov or incentivize for

3014
02:18:27,439 --> 02:18:30,080
third party providers to also cover the

3015
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:33,280
cost of that. Um, some providers have

3016
02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:35,760
said that they could cover the cost of

3017
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:39,280
some EV chargers as well as battery um,

3018
02:18:39,280 --> 02:18:43,599
and updated solar in order to help us do

3019
02:18:43,599 --> 02:18:45,760
that. Um,

3020
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:50,719
and because we are hoping to update our

3021
02:18:50,719 --> 02:18:53,280
or we are hoping to electrify more

3022
02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:56,080
vehicles of our fleet. Um, we do need to

3023
02:18:56,080 --> 02:19:00,160
look at our electric capacity. Um, and

3024
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:02,800
being able to plan for

3025
02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:05,599
all of these things at once is helpful

3026
02:19:05,599 --> 02:19:07,439
rather than updating our electricity

3027
02:19:07,439 --> 02:19:08,080
panel

3028
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:09,040
>> peace meal. Yeah.

3029
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:10,639
>> Yeah. Two different times. So,

3030
02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:13,200
>> yeah. To have a holistic plan related to

3031
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:13,679
that.

3032
02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:16,319
>> And there's options for certain types of

3033
02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:21,519
batteries to be birectional. um where

3034
02:19:21,519 --> 02:19:25,200
electric vehicles can be charged um by

3035
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:28,800
those batteries and vice versa.

3036
02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:30,559
>> Amazing. Okay. Sorry, Council Member

3037
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:31,120
Blash.

3038
02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:34,479
>> It's okay. Um so I mean I seeing San and

3039
02:19:34,479 --> 02:19:36,080
Selma put up solar has put up solar

3040
02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:38,960
panels above their parking area. Um is

3041
02:19:38,960 --> 02:19:41,040
that a do they technically have a micro

3042
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:44,000
grid or are they still in process? Yeah,

3043
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:47,280
because that um and like I said, the

3044
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:49,120
vocabulary can get muddled. So, they're

3045
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:52,160
calling that a resilience hub. Um, and

3046
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:53,760
it's it's just kind of a matter of

3047
02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:57,200
branding sometimes. So, that those solar

3048
02:19:57,200 --> 02:19:59,920
panels are directly powered to just the

3049
02:19:59,920 --> 02:20:02,399
town hall. So, I would define that more

3050
02:20:02,399 --> 02:20:04,000
as just like a solar and battery

3051
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:07,200
project. Um but it's a similar concept

3052
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:09,359
uh that they are adding solar and

3053
02:20:09,359 --> 02:20:12,160
battery that power um a town building

3054
02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:14,720
>> and are they using like a vendor that is

3055
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:20,160
paying for the installation of those um

3056
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:24,160
panels above the parking lot? the their

3057
02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:27,600
model they used um a company called

3058
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:33,280
Gridscape and their financial um

3059
02:20:33,280 --> 02:20:34,960
planning I think looks a little bit

3060
02:20:34,960 --> 02:20:36,160
different where it was a little bit more

3061
02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:38,880
of an upfront cost to the town but that

3062
02:20:38,880 --> 02:20:41,600
was just how they wanted to um do the

3063
02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:44,080
project. they wanted to m they wanted to

3064
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:48,560
own the infrastructure right away um as

3065
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:51,120
opposed to not owning it right away but

3066
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:53,040
being able to pay it off over time.

3067
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:54,479
>> Okay. Because that's it's really

3068
02:20:54,479 --> 02:20:55,760
interesting the different ways that we

3069
02:20:55,760 --> 02:20:58,640
could implement and um and I guess you

3070
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:00,160
if we say go ahead you'll go ahead and

3071
02:21:00,160 --> 02:21:01,280
research the different ways we could

3072
02:21:01,280 --> 02:21:03,439
implement. Um the other question I had

3073
02:21:03,439 --> 02:21:06,000
is about the batteries. Um you know I

3074
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:07,120
know people are like some people are

3075
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:08,319
really worried about different types of

3076
02:21:08,319 --> 02:21:09,680
batteries being flammable. you know, I

3077
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:11,920
have a little concern just cuz they'd go

3078
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:15,200
into into this big wood building. Um,

3079
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:16,640
and it seems like Graange halls are

3080
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:18,720
infamous for burning down. Anyway,

3081
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:20,640
there's an area where the batteries I

3082
02:21:20,640 --> 02:21:22,319
think we were thought to go, which is

3083
02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:24,800
maybe the uh lower

3084
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:27,040
right corner of the building, and I'm

3085
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:28,720
just wondering, is there part of this

3086
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:30,000
deal? Is there something should rebuild

3087
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:31,520
the area where the batteries are stored

3088
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:34,720
because um, you know, it's kind of ratty

3089
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:37,359
right now? Right now we can include in

3090
02:21:37,359 --> 02:21:40,479
any criteria um that the location of the

3091
02:21:40,479 --> 02:21:43,520
batteries are in a preferable place

3092
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:48,080
whatever we determine that is um

3093
02:21:48,080 --> 02:21:50,399
but I I don't know. Um it would I think

3094
02:21:50,399 --> 02:21:52,479
it would just need more research and we

3095
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:54,800
could certainly put that as criteria of

3096
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:56,399
whatever we end up preferring.

3097
02:21:56,399 --> 02:21:58,240
>> Yeah. Because it just seems like if we

3098
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:00,000
have this lovely new roof and a lovely

3099
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:01,680
new solar system, we want to make sure

3100
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:03,200
that the batteries that they feed into

3101
02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:05,439
are also somewhere that's safe. Totally.

3102
02:22:05,439 --> 02:22:09,030
>> Yeah. Okay.

3103
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:10,640
» All right. Let's move to public comment

3104
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:20,870
on this.

3105
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:23,920
» Um, thank you, Bridget. And uh I just

3106
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:27,840
wanted to first profoundly thank staff

3107
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:31,040
uh for a lot of work in investigating

3108
02:22:31,040 --> 02:22:34,160
this opportunity and to council for

3109
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:37,520
directing that investigation to begin.

3110
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:41,120
Um I just wanted to say and this might

3111
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:43,120
help to address uh council member

3112
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:46,960
Coler's questions that there are I see

3113
02:22:46,960 --> 02:22:49,280
there on the larger level as being two

3114
02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:52,000
reasons why this kind of opportunity is

3115
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:54,880
before us at this point. First of all

3116
02:22:54,880 --> 02:22:58,720
our actual infrastructure here u a lot

3117
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:01,120
of the work is already done. Uh,

3118
02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:03,200
amazingly enough, this is kind of where

3119
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:05,760
this concept came from years ago was

3120
02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:10,479
realizing thanks to a prior council uh

3121
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:12,560
deciding to install solar on the

3122
02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:14,720
pavilion that involve bringing

3123
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:17,680
underground wiring and conduit down to

3124
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:19,600
two other buildings, the fire station

3125
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:22,000
and the police and town hall. So, that's

3126
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:25,040
all done. and then a public works

3127
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:27,359
director at that time, I believe it was

3128
02:23:27,359 --> 02:23:31,600
Kathy Wilkkey, uh brought conduit all

3129
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:34,000
the way from the fire station through

3130
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:35,840
the community center and to this

3131
02:23:35,840 --> 02:23:37,520
building. It comes right back there to

3132
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:40,640
that corner. Uh John Tierney showed me

3133
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:45,359
that uh that is an amazing piece of

3134
02:23:45,359 --> 02:23:47,120
infrastructure because if we thought

3135
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:49,439
about bringing underground wiring

3136
02:23:49,439 --> 02:23:51,760
through the entire campus now with all

3137
02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:54,240
the redwoods, we wouldn't be talking

3138
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:56,399
about this. So that's the first amazing

3139
02:23:56,399 --> 02:23:59,600
opportunity. The second one is that u

3140
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:02,640
the future that was envisioned by Kathy

3141
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:05,760
Wilkey, I believe it was, is now here.

3142
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:09,920
Uh the the industry has obviously gone

3143
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:11,920
through incredible

3144
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:14,960
growth and changes in the last 20 years

3145
02:24:14,960 --> 02:24:18,880
and uh we now it now we have reached a

3146
02:24:18,880 --> 02:24:21,359
point at which it's a reasonable

3147
02:24:21,359 --> 02:24:25,040
business model for a business to answer

3148
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:27,120
our request and be able to put something

3149
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:28,960
like this together.

3150
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:31,280
>> I'm going to let you continue because

3151
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:34,000
you are technically part of the the team

3152
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:36,960
working on this. It's helpful. Um, so

3153
02:24:36,960 --> 02:24:40,720
yeah, I think that we it's now possible

3154
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:44,000
and you you know that there's solar on

3155
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:46,800
many many many many California houses

3156
02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:49,439
roofs and a lot of that was done through

3157
02:24:49,439 --> 02:24:51,600
a similar business model on a smaller

3158
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:53,840
scale. Sunun was one of the companies

3159
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:57,120
that would put solar on your roof and it

3160
02:24:57,120 --> 02:24:59,439
wouldn't cost you anything but they

3161
02:24:59,439 --> 02:25:02,000
actually owned the array and they shared

3162
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:03,920
in the savings with you. That was their

3163
02:25:03,920 --> 02:25:06,720
business model. One little issue with

3164
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:08,880
that business model was they continue to

3165
02:25:08,880 --> 02:25:11,439
own the array forever. And some people

3166
02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:14,240
that I know are a little that turns into

3167
02:25:14,240 --> 02:25:15,840
a little bit of a problem that they have

3168
02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:18,000
this array that is on their roof that

3169
02:25:18,000 --> 02:25:20,479
they don't own. This would be what we

3170
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:22,880
would certainly specify as a business

3171
02:25:22,880 --> 02:25:25,600
model in which we after we paid it off,

3172
02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:29,600
we would complete ownership of it. Um,

3173
02:25:29,600 --> 02:25:33,280
so I'll leave it at that and just uh ask

3174
02:25:33,280 --> 02:25:35,200
that council

3175
02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:37,600
uh direct staff to continue pursuing

3176
02:25:37,600 --> 02:25:44,160
this and and uh find vendors and bring some detail back. Thank you.

3177
02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:47,200
>> Thank you.

3178
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:48,960
>> Um, a few points in the last one that

3179
02:25:48,960 --> 02:25:51,280
Bruce just brought up is a very valid

3180
02:25:51,280 --> 02:25:53,840
point. Um, I also know people that when

3181
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:55,200
they have sold their home, they had a

3182
02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:57,680
pre-existing contract and there's a lot

3183
02:25:57,680 --> 02:25:59,680
of debate and it costs money. So, I

3184
02:25:59,680 --> 02:26:01,359
think it'd be prudent for the town once

3185
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:04,080
these panels go up to actually make sure

3186
02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:06,160
that we have a shorter buyout period

3187
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:08,479
that we own them so we have the right to

3188
02:26:08,479 --> 02:26:10,479
change, alter go in a different

3189
02:26:10,479 --> 02:26:13,680
direction. Um, one, I think that micro

3190
02:26:13,680 --> 02:26:16,479
grids for all towns I hope are the

3191
02:26:16,479 --> 02:26:18,640
future because they're more efficient.

3192
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:20,960
you don't lose so much heat and energy

3193
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:24,319
in long uh transfer lines.

3194
02:26:24,319 --> 02:26:26,479
But what I would encourage at the same

3195
02:26:26,479 --> 02:26:28,080
time,

3196
02:26:28,080 --> 02:26:32,399
the employment of sulfuric acid or

3197
02:26:32,399 --> 02:26:34,880
lithium batteries, these are tremendous

3198
02:26:34,880 --> 02:26:37,040
fire hazards that we don't need. There

3199
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:39,359
are many patents right now into

3200
02:26:39,359 --> 02:26:42,319
interstitial space of crystals such as

3201
02:26:42,319 --> 02:26:47,200
garnets and um what is it?

3202
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:49,920
Um,

3203
02:26:49,920 --> 02:26:51,920
the engineering department of Maryland

3204
02:26:51,920 --> 02:26:54,720
back in Baltimore is run by a person

3205
02:26:54,720 --> 02:26:57,600
from Samurfel, California, Dr. Eric

3206
02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:00,479
Waxman. He currently holds patents in

3207
02:27:00,479 --> 02:27:02,960
the interstitial space of garnet

3208
02:27:02,960 --> 02:27:05,840
crystals that have a faster degregation

3209
02:27:05,840 --> 02:27:08,319
and a faster recharge rate. So this

3210
02:27:08,319 --> 02:27:10,880
might be an opportunity of partnering or

3211
02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:13,040
pairing that he'd like to see these type

3212
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:15,439
of patents employed which are more fire

3213
02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:17,760
resilient. They're safer. They're

3214
02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:19,520
smaller and they don't generate that

3215
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:21,680
same heat. So if we're going to make

3216
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:24,399
this correct move to the future and look

3217
02:27:24,399 --> 02:27:26,720
at a micro grid, this might be an

3218
02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:28,080
opportunity that we don't have to spend

3219
02:27:28,080 --> 02:27:30,399
extra money and we can set an example.

3220
02:27:30,399 --> 02:27:32,880
Thank you.

3221
02:27:32,880 --> 02:27:36,469
>> Thank you. Next speaker.

3222
02:27:36,479 --> 02:27:39,040
Good evening. Thank you, Bruce. And

3223
02:27:39,040 --> 02:27:42,160
wonderful presentation, Bridget. Um,

3224
02:27:42,160 --> 02:27:43,439
you know, one of the things that I

3225
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:44,880
thought about during this presentation

3226
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:46,640
was

3227
02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:49,520
the idea of calling it a resilient hub

3228
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:51,920
over in in Sanelmo. It it would be

3229
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:53,439
great, of course, the way that this is

3230
02:27:53,439 --> 02:27:55,760
presented moving forward for Fairfax.

3231
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:58,319
Uh, should it pass the infrastructure

3232
02:27:58,319 --> 02:28:00,240
issues that we saw at the last couple of

3233
02:28:00,240 --> 02:28:02,800
meetings with that building altogether.

3234
02:28:02,800 --> 02:28:05,200
Uh but what I thought about was you know

3235
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:07,520
maybe one of the ways which Fairfax can

3236
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:10,160
look at this is through uh calling it

3237
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:12,479
something else like over in Sano called

3238
02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:15,359
resiliency hub. Maybe it's can be growth

3239
02:28:15,359 --> 02:28:18,560
related to the housing elements and plan

3240
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:22,960
Bay Area 2050 or plan Bay Area 2070 and

3241
02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:25,120
maybe some research can be done with the

3242
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:26,880
association of Bay Area governments to

3243
02:28:26,880 --> 02:28:29,280
find out if there are any of these types

3244
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:31,439
of grant funding streams that could be

3245
02:28:31,439 --> 02:28:33,600
made available for the purposes of

3246
02:28:33,600 --> 02:28:36,960
growth in the town infrastructure as

3247
02:28:36,960 --> 02:28:38,960
much of it is uh for those very

3248
02:28:38,960 --> 02:28:49,670
purposes. Thank you.

3249
02:28:49,680 --> 02:28:53,439
Hi, Todd Greenberg. I support exploring

3250
02:28:53,439 --> 02:28:56,720
a municipal micro grid and I appreciate

3251
02:28:56,720 --> 02:28:59,040
Bridget's hard work on this and I hope

3252
02:28:59,040 --> 02:29:01,600
we find a way to make this happen, but

3253
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:04,800
decisions need to be made based on good

3254
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:07,040
information.

3255
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:09,200
The staff report leaves out important

3256
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:10,800
financial and liability questions

3257
02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:12,560
unanswered. The report says the pavilion

3258
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:14,880
solar panels were installed in 2009, yet

3259
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:17,600
also says the town's 20-year NEM1 period

3260
02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:20,080
expires next year. Those dates do not

3261
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:22,399
appear to match. Before replacing or

3262
02:29:22,399 --> 02:29:24,319
materially modifying the system, staff

3263
02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:25,760
should produce P Gen permission to

3264
02:29:25,760 --> 02:29:28,399
operate interconnection agreement,

3265
02:29:28,399 --> 02:29:30,880
tariff designation, and grandfathering

3266
02:29:30,880 --> 02:29:33,200
expiration date. The council should know

3267
02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:35,520
the value of any remaining NEM1 benefits

3268
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:37,840
before approving changes that could move

3269
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:40,880
the town to less favorable solar billing

3270
02:29:40,880 --> 02:29:43,040
plan. The report mentions Fairfax is an

3271
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:46,560
MCE customer but not meaningfully

3272
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:49,600
evaluate MCE assistance. Council member

3273
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:51,439
Barbara Kohler represents Fairfax on

3274
02:29:51,439 --> 02:29:54,000
MCE's board and chairs its executive

3275
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:55,760
committee. I asked council member Kohler

3276
02:29:55,760 --> 02:29:58,000
to help Fairfax identify and secure

3277
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:00,800
every available MCE grant incentive,

3278
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:02,720
technical assistance program, resilience

3279
02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:05,120
resource, and compatible outside funding

3280
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:07,280
source before the town commits to a

3281
02:30:07,280 --> 02:30:09,439
private financing provider. The report

3282
02:30:09,439 --> 02:30:11,040
also says the pavilion roof must be

3283
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:12,880
replaced, but does not address the leaks

3284
02:30:12,880 --> 02:30:15,359
or whether the original installer, later

3285
02:30:15,359 --> 02:30:17,040
contractors, warranties, or insurance

3286
02:30:17,040 --> 02:30:18,560
may cover some of the cost before

3287
02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:20,160
removing the panels. A town should

3288
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:21,520
preserve evidence, inspect the

3289
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:23,760
penetrations and flashing, review

3290
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:25,439
contracts and warranties, and determine

3291
02:30:25,439 --> 02:30:27,359
whether costs can be recovered. Please

3292
02:30:27,359 --> 02:30:29,760
require a documented NEM analysis, an

3293
02:30:29,760 --> 02:30:31,359
MCE funding assessment, and an

3294
02:30:31,359 --> 02:30:33,200
independent roof cause and liability

3295
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:35,840
investigation before proceeding. Thank

3296
02:30:35,840 --> 02:30:39,670
you.

3297
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:41,439
» Thank you. Are there any hands?

3298
02:30:41,439 --> 02:30:43,359
>> We have one raised hand on Zoom.

3299
02:30:43,359 --> 02:30:44,240
>> Okay, great.

3300
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:46,560
>> Jody, you are unmuted. You may now

3301
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:49,280
unmute yourself.

3302
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:51,520
Uh good evening council. Um thank you

3303
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:53,600
very much Bridget for an outstanding

3304
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:55,760
presentation. Uh on behalf of the

3305
02:30:55,760 --> 02:30:57,920
Fairfax Climate Action Committee, I just

3306
02:30:57,920 --> 02:31:00,560
want to encourage the council to move

3307
02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:03,439
forward. At this point, this is a um

3308
02:31:03,439 --> 02:31:05,680
direction to staff to continue to

3309
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:08,960
explore funding options and arrangements

3310
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:11,760
for the whole micro grid/resilience

3311
02:31:11,760 --> 02:31:14,319
hub. It will serve both purposes. Um,

3312
02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:16,240
Bridget has been in constant contact

3313
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:18,319
with us in the Fairfax Climate Action

3314
02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:20,479
Committee every single month. We all

3315
02:31:20,479 --> 02:31:22,000
have been thinking about this and as

3316
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:23,760
Bruce has said, talking about it for

3317
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:26,160
years and years and years. Um, several

3318
02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:28,720
of us have our own little micro grids in

3319
02:31:28,720 --> 02:31:31,439
our homes in terms of solar and battery

3320
02:31:31,439 --> 02:31:34,720
and backup and connections. So, um, I I

3321
02:31:34,720 --> 02:31:36,720
there's no harm in moving this forward.

3322
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:39,040
It's it is a solution, one of the 10

3323
02:31:39,040 --> 02:31:42,080
solutions across the county for energy

3324
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:44,399
efficiency. Um, and I just really

3325
02:31:44,399 --> 02:31:46,880
encourage you to support the further

3326
02:31:46,880 --> 02:31:49,040
investigation. Everything will come back

3327
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:51,280
to the council with lots more discussion

3328
02:31:51,280 --> 02:31:53,760
and debate around financial arrangements

3329
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:56,800
and products. Um, but uh, I think it's a

3330
02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:59,200
fabulous we're so happy to be at this

3331
02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:01,359
point and I really encourage you to give

3332
02:32:01,359 --> 02:32:03,359
direction to the staff to continue to

3333
02:32:03,359 --> 02:32:06,080
pursue um, these various options. Thanks

3334
02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:09,750
so very much.

3335
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:12,240
» There are no more raised hands on Zoom.

3336
02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:14,319
Go ahead. Council member Kohler has

3337
02:32:14,319 --> 02:32:16,240
>> Yeah, I just want to say I think we

3338
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:17,840
definitely need to continue to pursue

3339
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:21,040
this. And just to answer Mr. Greenberg,

3340
02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:25,280
um I have connected Bruce Arian uh with

3341
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:29,359
MCE staff. In fact, one of our uh highle

3342
02:32:29,359 --> 02:32:31,200
managers who does the virtual power

3343
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:33,200
plant lives a couple doors down from

3344
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:35,840
Bruce. So, we're already made those

3345
02:32:35,840 --> 02:32:38,560
connections and Bruce was my alternate

3346
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:40,479
and has a lot of connections. So, I can

3347
02:32:40,479 --> 02:32:42,560
certainly help, but at this time, we

3348
02:32:42,560 --> 02:32:45,040
don't have specific grants. So, um,

3349
02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:47,120
thanks for your feedback and thank you

3350
02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:48,880
guys. I want to also thank Dan

3351
02:32:48,880 --> 02:32:50,560
Cardardoso who's been working very

3352
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:52,479
closely and I know others on the climate

3353
02:32:52,479 --> 02:32:55,920
action committee, Kristen, Bridget, you

3354
02:32:55,920 --> 02:32:59,200
guys. Bruce has been doing this. Who?

3355
02:32:59,200 --> 02:33:00,960
>> No, I just said let's do it.

3356
02:33:00,960 --> 02:33:05,670
>> Yeah, been working too.

3357
02:33:05,680 --> 02:33:07,760
» Any other comments?

3358
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:08,800
>> I'm ready to vote.

3359
02:33:08,800 --> 02:33:10,720
>> Okay. I just want to say it's been an

3360
02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:13,600
absolute thrill to be working on this. I

3361
02:33:13,600 --> 02:33:15,280
have worked hard on this as well and

3362
02:33:15,280 --> 02:33:17,600
that has not been mentioned by anyone.

3363
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:18,240
Um,

3364
02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:19,760
>> thank you, Mayor H.

3365
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:21,840
>> Yeah, and it's been premature until this

3366
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:24,960
point to meet with MC, but I think now

3367
02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:27,280
after this vote, it would be a good time

3368
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:30,560
to do that. Um, so I would actually like

3369
02:33:30,560 --> 02:33:33,680
to make the motion if I may.

3370
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:35,439
>> Yeah, we need to give direction to

3371
02:33:35,439 --> 02:33:37,439
staff.

3372
02:33:37,439 --> 02:33:39,920
It just says receive a presentation.

3373
02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:42,800
>> Okay. Well, let's formally give No,

3374
02:33:42,800 --> 02:33:44,720
there's a recommendation if you remember

3375
02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:46,880
the last slide to give direction to

3376
02:33:46,880 --> 02:33:50,479
staff as far as staff will determine the

3377
02:33:50,479 --> 02:33:52,880
recommended approach whether it's RFI,

3378
02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:56,640
RFP, RFQ. Is that right? And then come

3379
02:33:56,640 --> 02:34:00,640
back with a proposal set.

3380
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:01,040
>> Yep.

3381
02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:03,600
>> Does that sound right?

3382
02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:05,120
I'm seeing

3383
02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:07,280
>> I think we all are in agreement on that.

3384
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:08,000
I could be wrong.

3385
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:13,110
>> Okay. Is there any

3386
02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:14,399
» I don't think it's a vote, right? We

3387
02:34:14,399 --> 02:34:14,560
just

3388
02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:16,160
>> It's not a vote, but does anyone have

3389
02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:17,840
any issues with that direction?

3390
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:18,880
>> No, let's do it.

3391
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:25,110
>> Okay. Thank you.

3392
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:30,309
Um going to find my agenda.

3393
02:34:30,319 --> 02:34:32,560
We are moving forward and thank you

3394
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:33,600
Bridget.

3395
02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:34,000
>> Thank you.

3396
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:36,240
>> Well done.

3397
02:34:36,240 --> 02:34:38,880
>> Moving forward with item number four,

3398
02:34:38,880 --> 02:34:40,960
consent calendar. The council can

3399
02:34:40,960 --> 02:34:42,560
approve all items on the consent

3400
02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:44,880
calendar in one action. Alternatively,

3401
02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:46,960
any council or staff member can remove

3402
02:34:46,960 --> 02:34:49,439
items for separate discussion and

3403
02:34:49,439 --> 02:34:51,760
voting. Public comments for consent

3404
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:53,920
calendar items are taken collectively,

3405
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:56,319
not item by item.

3406
02:34:56,319 --> 02:34:58,640
During this period, speakers may address

3407
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:00,880
any item on the consent calendar with

3408
02:35:00,880 --> 02:35:03,120
each speaker allotted up to two minutes

3409
02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:06,319
and limited to one comment section.

3410
02:35:06,319 --> 02:35:08,560
Okay. Does anyone have any items to

3411
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:09,520
pull?

3412
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:11,439
>> I don't, but I just want to mention that

3413
02:35:11,439 --> 02:35:14,080
there's a supplement for item 4G.

3414
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:17,200
>> For G. Yeah, we all got that.

3415
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:19,439
>> All right. I have two.

3416
02:35:19,439 --> 02:35:21,200
>> Okay. You have comments or do you want

3417
02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:22,319
to pull items? Just

3418
02:35:22,319 --> 02:35:24,319
>> pull two. Just pull two. Quick. Quick.

3419
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:26,560
Be quick. Identify them please.

3420
02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:31,270
>> Uh items um

3421
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:35,120
item A, the financial statement, and

3422
02:35:35,120 --> 02:35:39,280
item E, the minutes. Just those two.

3423
02:35:39,280 --> 02:35:40,640
>> Okay. I mean, if you have comments on

3424
02:35:40,640 --> 02:35:42,000
the minutes, you can just send them to

3425
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:43,760
Christine,

3426
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:46,880
but do you really need to pull it?

3427
02:35:46,880 --> 02:35:49,600
>> Well, well, um I want to I wanted to put

3428
02:35:49,600 --> 02:35:51,120
something in the minutes that I said

3429
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:53,439
that's not in the minutes. So, how how

3430
02:35:53,439 --> 02:35:55,760
you know what's the best way to do that?

3431
02:35:55,760 --> 02:35:58,160
>> Well, in the future, you could email

3432
02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:02,240
Christine, but um yeah, just say what

3433
02:36:02,240 --> 02:36:04,000
you want to add there. Add

3434
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:06,319
>> it. It's it that it's only one line. Not

3435
02:36:06,319 --> 02:36:07,359
a big deal.

3436
02:36:07,359 --> 02:36:08,399
>> Say what the line is.

3437
02:36:08,399 --> 02:36:12,240
>> Should I tell you now? Okay. So, on the minutes, it was on the minutes

3438
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:16,479
dealing uh with uh with the the cannabis

3439
02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:19,920
uh operation on Binus Road and and the

3440
02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:21,439
minutes are correct. They show the vote.

3441
02:36:21,439 --> 02:36:25,520
It was uh 311 on the vote to deny. Um

3442
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:28,160
but there's but uh there's comments in

3443
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:29,840
it for people, but my comments aren't

3444
02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:32,560
in. I had suggested

3445
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:36,880
a a a a permit for for just for one-year

3446
02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:40,479
trial to see if to see if it could work.

3447
02:36:40,479 --> 02:36:42,080
And I I would just like to have that in

3448
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:44,000
the minutes. Maybe Christine can find

3449
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:46,960
the exact words. Just that that was that

3450
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:48,800
was all I want to add to the minutes.

3451
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:51,040
>> Okay, great. And then you want to pull

3452
02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:53,120
>> just to pull the yes the financial

3453
02:36:53,120 --> 02:36:53,760
quickly.

3454
02:36:53,760 --> 02:36:56,080
>> Okay. So let's pull

3455
02:36:56,080 --> 02:36:57,040
>> what?

3456
02:36:57,040 --> 02:36:59,760
>> Yeah. Let's pull item A and then let's

3457
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:10,550
take a vote on um consent minus A.

3458
02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:12,720
» So I I think we can go to public comment

3459
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:13,280
because

3460
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:15,200
>> I thought we were going to vote on the

3461
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:16,720
>> Well, we have to go to public comment on

3462
02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:17,600
the rest of the consent.

3463
02:37:17,600 --> 02:37:19,439
>> Oh, right, right, right, right. Sorry.

3464
02:37:19,439 --> 02:37:21,200
Um,

3465
02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:23,760
okay. We are taking public comment on

3466
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:26,479
all of consent. Um, with the exception

3467
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:33,510
of 4A.

3468
02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:35,359
» Hi, good evening. Todd Greenberg

3469
02:37:35,359 --> 02:37:37,120
commenting on the consent calendar this

3470
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:38,479
evening.

3471
02:37:38,479 --> 02:37:43,040
You know, it's odd that there's so many

3472
02:37:43,040 --> 02:37:44,640
consistently

3473
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:48,240
outnumbering consent calendar items that

3474
02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:51,040
limit the public's comment to seconds

3475
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:53,280
per item.

3476
02:37:53,280 --> 02:37:56,000
It's noted time and time again that the

3477
02:37:56,000 --> 02:37:59,200
minutes are inaccurate

3478
02:37:59,200 --> 02:38:02,640
and uh incomplete.

3479
02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:06,080
I would ask this council to someone

3480
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:08,479
there to make a motion and reconsider

3481
02:38:08,479 --> 02:38:11,040
and pull agenda item G which talks about

3482
02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:17,910
MCE and the council's response to

3483
02:38:17,920 --> 02:38:21,680
MCE, the civil grand jury report on MCE

3484
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:23,359
and the last minute supplement that

3485
02:38:23,359 --> 02:38:26,080
apparently is pinned by Barbara Kohler

3486
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:29,920
that talks about her involvement with uh

3487
02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:32,080
receiving compensation from other

3488
02:38:32,080 --> 02:38:33,680
entities or at least that's the way I

3489
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:36,960
read it. So I want to know what the

3490
02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:40,160
conflicts of interest are and I want to

3491
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:43,920
point this council to Sanelmo's

3492
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:46,240
council rotation policy that got

3493
02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:48,640
developed over many meetings after a

3494
02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:51,920
council member was unwilling to

3495
02:38:51,920 --> 02:38:54,720
let go of their position. It behooves

3496
02:38:54,720 --> 02:38:58,319
the council to rotate positions so that

3497
02:38:58,319 --> 02:39:00,000
the council is stronger and other

3498
02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:02,240
members are more informed. There is a

3499
02:39:02,240 --> 02:39:04,319
lot of controversy going on at MC and I

3500
02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:06,160
understand that Kohler has a lot of

3501
02:39:06,160 --> 02:39:09,280
experience. We don't want to lose that

3502
02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:10,960
but I also understand that she has

3503
02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:15,120
motioned for ad hoc committees which are

3504
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:16,720
not subject to the Brown Act and it's

3505
02:39:16,720 --> 02:39:19,280
quite a concern to me and others. Uh,

3506
02:39:19,280 --> 02:39:21,520
and she was against a finance committee,

3507
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:23,120
a standing finance committee that would

3508
02:39:23,120 --> 02:39:26,960
be transparent. Fairfax and I, as an MCE

3509
02:39:26,960 --> 02:39:29,040
customer, deserve to know what's going

3510
02:39:29,040 --> 02:39:31,359
on there. So, I would ask that you pull

3511
02:39:31,359 --> 02:39:34,900
that item for further public comment.

3512
02:39:34,900 --> 02:39:36,479
[music]

3513
02:39:36,479 --> 02:39:38,479
>> So, um, Mayor Helman, I just

3514
02:39:38,479 --> 02:39:42,160
>> just No, I just want to stay

3515
02:39:42,160 --> 02:39:44,080
one raised hand on Zoom.

3516
02:39:44,080 --> 02:39:47,120
>> I get no compensation. The discussion in

3517
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:51,120
item G was that members of PG and other

3518
02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:53,040
investorowned utilities get

3519
02:39:53,040 --> 02:39:54,399
compensation.

3520
02:39:54,399 --> 02:39:56,160
>> Okay. Are there any other

3521
02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:58,640
>> I have one raised hand on Zoom. Jody,

3522
02:39:58,640 --> 02:40:00,800
you are unmuted. You may now unmute

3523
02:40:00,800 --> 02:40:02,399
yourself.

3524
02:40:02,399 --> 02:40:04,240
>> Good evening, council members and mayor.

3525
02:40:04,240 --> 02:40:06,240
Again, I just want to thank Bridget very

3526
02:40:06,240 --> 02:40:09,359
much for her help and support around um

3527
02:40:09,359 --> 02:40:12,080
item H. Every year the climate action

3528
02:40:12,080 --> 02:40:14,399
committee does come up with a work plan.

3529
02:40:14,399 --> 02:40:16,800
uh what we intend to try to accomplish.

3530
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:18,720
She helped to pull that all together.

3531
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:21,120
So, what you have in item eight is a

3532
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:24,399
report on what we set um out to do last

3533
02:40:24,399 --> 02:40:26,560
year as well as our plan for this next

3534
02:40:26,560 --> 02:40:28,640
year. So, I just want to encourage

3535
02:40:28,640 --> 02:40:30,080
council members if you have any

3536
02:40:30,080 --> 02:40:32,640
questions or input or or any anything

3537
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:34,880
you'd like to talk with us about at the

3538
02:40:34,880 --> 02:40:36,800
climate action committee to please reach

3539
02:40:36,800 --> 02:40:38,800
out to me in terms of our report. But

3540
02:40:38,800 --> 02:40:40,720
thank you very much Bridget and also for

3541
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:44,479
your support in working to set a new

3542
02:40:44,479 --> 02:40:46,800
meeting day and time for all of us so

3543
02:40:46,800 --> 02:40:48,319
that we can accommodate the whole

3544
02:40:48,319 --> 02:40:50,399
committee and work with the town's

3545
02:40:50,399 --> 02:40:52,319
schedule as well. So thanks very very

3546
02:40:52,319 --> 02:40:54,240
much for both of those.

3547
02:40:54,240 --> 02:40:54,720
>> Thank you.

3548
02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:56,479
>> There are no more speakers on Zoom.

3549
02:40:56,479 --> 02:40:59,840
>> Okay. Closing public comment on consent.

3550
02:40:59,840 --> 02:41:03,920
>> Can I move the consent calendar minus uh

3551
02:41:03,920 --> 02:41:06,720
letter uh 4A?

3552
02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:08,880
>> I'll second that.

3553
02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:11,120
All in favor.

3554
02:41:11,120 --> 02:41:12,720
>> What was that motion to?

3555
02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:14,399
>> Can I do an all in favor?

3556
02:41:14,399 --> 02:41:15,600
>> I consent.

3557
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:18,560
>> Can you please know what I

3558
02:41:18,560 --> 02:41:20,399
>> Any nays?

3559
02:41:20,399 --> 02:41:23,200
>> Okay. Moving forward with

3560
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:25,600
>> Moving forward with consent calendar

3561
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:28,160
item A.

3562
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:30,319
>> Okay, let me just just two is two two

3563
02:41:30,319 --> 02:41:33,040
issues. They're pretty easy. um on a

3564
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:36,080
dispersement report. Uh it's it's page

3565
02:41:36,080 --> 02:41:40,479
two. A and um about halfway down, it's

3566
02:41:40,479 --> 02:41:42,560
the first American title company. It was

3567
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:46,399
a paid on June 8th, 2026.

3568
02:41:46,399 --> 02:41:49,920
Uh we paid $75,000

3569
02:41:49,920 --> 02:41:53,359
and and I'm just wondering why we paid

3570
02:41:53,359 --> 02:41:56,560
First American Title Company $75,000.

3571
02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:57,760
So,

3572
02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:00,080
>> um if I [clears throat] may, so um the

3573
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:04,960
council uh um voted to make a donation

3574
02:42:04,960 --> 02:42:08,240
for the Sky Ranch NLES.

3575
02:42:08,240 --> 02:42:12,640
Um and that is the $75,000 amount that

3576
02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:16,080
the council voted to make that donation

3577
02:42:16,080 --> 02:42:16,880
for.

3578
02:42:16,880 --> 02:42:18,640
>> That's the escrow company that was

3579
02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:20,080
holding the

3580
02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:21,520
>> So, that's how we made the donation. And

3581
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:24,240
we paid off. We paid a

3582
02:42:24,240 --> 02:42:24,880
>> all of the

3583
02:42:24,880 --> 02:42:27,040
>> the title research.

3584
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:27,359
>> Um

3585
02:42:27,359 --> 02:42:29,680
>> Oh, it was the escrow company that she

3586
02:42:29,680 --> 02:42:32,000
paid into.

3587
02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:35,680
>> Yes. So, um when property is purchased,

3588
02:42:35,680 --> 02:42:37,920
typically money goes into an escrow

3589
02:42:37,920 --> 02:42:41,120
account. So, we we made that deposit

3590
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:42,880
into the escrow account for that

3591
02:42:42,880 --> 02:42:43,840
property.

3592
02:42:43,840 --> 02:42:46,160
>> Right. Santa bought the property. Is it

3593
02:42:46,160 --> 02:42:48,800
is but is it

3594
02:42:48,800 --> 02:42:52,560
we paid our $75,000

3595
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:55,760
rather than give Santa $75,000.

3596
02:42:55,760 --> 02:42:58,000
We paid we paid an escrow account.

3597
02:42:58,000 --> 02:43:00,160
>> No, most bought the property and there

3598
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:03,600
was an escrow account for the property.

3599
02:43:03,600 --> 02:43:06,880
Sanl did not buy the property. It was

3600
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:12,160
the money went to most and it got it's getting transferred hopefully to

3601
02:43:12,160 --> 02:43:14,640
the county.

3602
02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:19,120
>> Okay. But we're paying for the for the title report.

3603
02:43:19,120 --> 02:43:20,880
>> No, we're not paying for the title

3604
02:43:20,880 --> 02:43:24,080
report. The funds for the purchase, the

3605
02:43:24,080 --> 02:43:27,439
entire purchase of Sky Ranch Null was in

3606
02:43:27,439 --> 02:43:30,640
an escrow account. So, our donation went

3607
02:43:30,640 --> 02:43:32,560
into that escrow account. That's where

3608
02:43:32,560 --> 02:43:35,040
all the funds are.

3609
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:36,479
>> Oh, okay. We didn't write a check for

3610
02:43:36,479 --> 02:43:37,600
First American Title.

3611
02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:40,800
>> No, no, it's it goes they for the escrow

3612
02:43:40,800 --> 02:43:41,439
company.

3613
02:43:41,439 --> 02:43:43,520
>> I I just read what's what's in a report.

3614
02:43:43,520 --> 02:43:45,439
>> Okay. That's the escrow company.

3615
02:43:45,439 --> 02:43:46,000
>> Okay.

3616
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:47,200
>> Thank you.

3617
02:43:47,200 --> 02:43:48,640
>> And then the other question is, you

3618
02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:52,080
know, I we've been tracking uh the uh

3619
02:43:52,080 --> 02:43:56,248
the cost for for legal and um

3620
02:43:56,248 --> 02:43:57,040
[clears throat]

3621
02:43:57,040 --> 02:43:58,640
we're we're in August now. I thought we

3622
02:43:58,640 --> 02:44:00,880
would have a final for May and June for

3623
02:44:00,880 --> 02:44:03,760
our for our legal costs, but uh public

3624
02:44:03,760 --> 02:44:06,319
agency law there's there's no final in

3625
02:44:06,319 --> 02:44:11,040
there. So what we did is we kept we kept

3626
02:44:11,040 --> 02:44:16,319
legal under a million dollars 974,683

3627
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:18,640
but there's no charges for for May and

3628
02:44:18,640 --> 02:44:23,200
June for uh for for our town attorney.

3629
02:44:23,200 --> 02:44:26,399
When will those charges show up a as as

3630
02:44:26,399 --> 02:44:29,600
an expense for the year?

3631
02:44:29,600 --> 02:44:32,399
We paid in July

3632
02:44:32,399 --> 02:44:34,880
the bill for May. We have yet to receive

3633
02:44:34,880 --> 02:44:38,399
a bill for June. So, well, May doesn't

3634
02:44:38,399 --> 02:44:40,479
show up here, though. I'm looking at it

3635
02:44:40,479 --> 02:44:42,640
right now. Does May show up?

3636
02:44:42,640 --> 02:44:45,279
>> This report was issued before we got and

3637
02:44:45,279 --> 02:44:47,439
paid the bill.

3638
02:44:47,439 --> 02:44:49,520
>> This is I'm looking right. Nothing for

3639
02:44:49,520 --> 02:44:52,720
May. How much is May for for for

3640
02:44:52,720 --> 02:44:55,840
>> It was about 21,000 for May.

3641
02:44:55,840 --> 02:44:59,840
>> That says best of Creger, doesn't it?

3642
02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:03,520
>> The 21,000 is not on the report.

3643
02:45:03,520 --> 02:45:05,200
>> Okay. I'm looking at the report. It says

3644
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:07,439
$21,954

3645
02:45:07,439 --> 02:45:12,399
was paid to to Best Bessa Creger.

3646
02:45:12,399 --> 02:45:15,439
>> Your question your question was whether

3647
02:45:15,439 --> 02:45:18,800
public agency had submitted a bill and

3648
02:45:18,800 --> 02:45:21,200
it had been paid for May and June.

3649
02:45:21,200 --> 02:45:22,000
>> Yeah. Yes.

3650
02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:25,279
>> We we did get a bill for May and have

3651
02:45:25,279 --> 02:45:26,160
paid it.

3652
02:45:26,160 --> 02:45:26,720
>> Okay.

3653
02:45:26,720 --> 02:45:29,120
>> How come does it show? because this

3654
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:30,880
report was issued

3655
02:45:30,880 --> 02:45:33,520
>> last week and now we have received the

3656
02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:37,680
bill after this agenda item was posted

3657
02:45:37,680 --> 02:45:40,880
and so I know what the amount is but

3658
02:45:40,880 --> 02:45:44,080
this report only includes what I knew of

3659
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:46,080
as of when I did the report.

3660
02:45:46,080 --> 02:45:48,399
>> Okay. So, so when will we get a final on

3661
02:45:48,399 --> 02:45:51,680
our legal cost for the for the year?

3662
02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:55,680
>> When we received the bill for June.

3663
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:57,439
But how come it's blank under under

3664
02:45:57,439 --> 02:46:00,319
public agency law for May?

3665
02:46:00,319 --> 02:46:02,479
>> We haven't received a bill. I can't

3666
02:46:02,479 --> 02:46:03,600
predict what the amount is.

3667
02:46:03,600 --> 02:46:05,120
>> I thought you said you paid May.

3668
02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:07,120
>> I paid May but not June.

3669
02:46:07,120 --> 02:46:10,080
>> Well, you said you paid May after this

3670
02:46:10,080 --> 02:46:12,640
period. Correct.

3671
02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:13,359
>> This period

3672
02:46:13,359 --> 02:46:14,479
>> in July or August?

3673
02:46:14,479 --> 02:46:19,279
>> If I if I may. Um so um because of the

3674
02:46:19,279 --> 02:46:24,640
posting deadlines for a um packet,

3675
02:46:24,640 --> 02:46:27,040
we want reports

3676
02:46:27,040 --> 02:46:29,200
before the last day that we're going to

3677
02:46:29,200 --> 02:46:33,040
post. And so Michael prepared those

3678
02:46:33,040 --> 02:46:36,399
reports um and let's say they were

3679
02:46:36,399 --> 02:46:40,160
finalized on Wednesday last week as an

3680
02:46:40,160 --> 02:46:43,279
example, preferably the actually the

3681
02:46:43,279 --> 02:46:44,319
Wednesday before.

3682
02:46:44,319 --> 02:46:45,840
>> Okay. So I'm just wondering when we're

3683
02:46:45,840 --> 02:46:48,240
going to see the total cost. So that

3684
02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:51,040
>> understood. So if I if I may just get

3685
02:46:51,040 --> 02:46:54,720
there one one step at a time. So if

3686
02:46:54,720 --> 02:46:59,040
Michael um finalized this report last

3687
02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:02,399
week on Wednesday and we got um public

3688
02:47:02,399 --> 02:47:07,760
agency laws invoice on Friday

3689
02:47:07,760 --> 02:47:11,439
um it it is not reflected here. That's

3690
02:47:11,439 --> 02:47:14,640
for May. We are still expecting the

3691
02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:19,120
invoice for June and assuming we get

3692
02:47:19,120 --> 02:47:22,080
that uh before the books are completely

3693
02:47:22,080 --> 02:47:25,200
closed, which we do assume, then you'll

3694
02:47:25,200 --> 02:47:28,960
see the full amounts when all of the

3695
02:47:28,960 --> 02:47:33,439
books for the recently um ended fiscal

3696
02:47:33,439 --> 02:47:36,399
year come to you. So, it's going to show

3697
02:47:36,399 --> 02:47:41,990
up on a September report.

3698
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:45,439
Typically, I do this report on a fiscal

3699
02:47:45,439 --> 02:47:49,279
year basis. So, I can continue to finish

3700
02:47:49,279 --> 02:47:51,120
out this report and put it in with the

3701
02:47:51,120 --> 02:47:54,960
attorney bills if you like.

3702
02:47:54,960 --> 02:47:58,319
>> Okay. Thank you.

3703
02:47:58,319 --> 02:48:03,359
question about since we're asking um

3704
02:48:03,359 --> 02:48:07,200
on non-dep departmental 715

3705
02:48:07,200 --> 02:48:10,550
it's 1,140,000

3706
02:48:10,560 --> 02:48:12,640
with some change

3707
02:48:12,640 --> 02:48:15,600
um

3708
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:20,070
>> yeah

3709
02:48:20,080 --> 02:48:23,600
how much of that is related to

3710
02:48:23,600 --> 02:48:30,070
um attorney bills or litigation costs

3711
02:48:30,080 --> 02:48:33,040
on the report which is a detail report

3712
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:36,160
for the income statement we show that

3713
02:48:36,160 --> 02:48:39,840
the litigation expense for

3714
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:44,240
um June June was 37,000 and for year-to-

3715
02:48:44,240 --> 02:48:51,990
date was 472,000.

3716
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:54,720
It's under the header litigation which

3717
02:48:54,720 --> 02:48:57,359
is 01715

3718
02:48:57,359 --> 02:48:58,960
892.

3719
02:48:58,960 --> 02:49:01,279
>> Okay. Well, I'm looking at all all of

3720
02:49:01,279 --> 02:49:03,439
715 non department

3721
02:49:03,439 --> 02:49:05,760
>> on the detail or on the summary

3722
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:10,880
>> healthcare professional services special

3723
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:12,800
>> I'm sorry. Yeah. What? I don't know.

3724
02:49:12,800 --> 02:49:15,439
It's hard to read. Um I can hardly see

3725
02:49:15,439 --> 02:49:17,840
it. Eight of 17 maybe

3726
02:49:17,840 --> 02:49:19,359
>> the second from the bottom.

3727
02:49:19,359 --> 02:49:21,359
>> It's not legend. You can't see it. It's

3728
02:49:21,359 --> 02:49:23,920
written too lightly.

3729
02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:25,520
>> The the spec from the bottom says

3730
02:49:25,520 --> 02:49:27,520
litigation.

3731
02:49:27,520 --> 02:49:30,880
>> It's um department 715 non-EP

3732
02:49:30,880 --> 02:49:32,160
departmental.

3733
02:49:32,160 --> 02:49:33,279
>> Mhm.

3734
02:49:33,279 --> 02:49:36,000
>> And it's covers a bunch of things.

3735
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:38,160
Insurance for instance, special

3736
02:49:38,160 --> 02:49:40,560
services, miscellaneous,

3737
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:44,319
claim settlements, litigation,

3738
02:49:44,319 --> 02:49:47,359
other things. are are those how many of

3739
02:49:47,359 --> 02:49:49,840
those items that are listed are related

3740
02:49:49,840 --> 02:49:52,399
to

3741
02:49:52,399 --> 02:49:55,279
litigation or attorney bills?

3742
02:49:55,279 --> 02:49:57,359
>> The one line that says litigation,

3743
02:49:57,359 --> 02:49:58,000
>> that's it,

3744
02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:00,240
>> is the amount that we pay for for

3745
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:03,200
attorneys. That's bad. There can be

3746
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:06,720
attorney bills that Bay Cities uses and

3747
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:10,240
bills us for for claim settlements and

3748
02:50:10,240 --> 02:50:12,479
that sort of thing for attorneys that

3749
02:50:12,479 --> 02:50:18,080
are uh used by Bay Cities to uh deal

3750
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:21,040
with uh settling workers comp claims and

3751
02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:23,200
other things. But those those are out of

3752
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:26,240
our um

3753
02:50:26,240 --> 02:50:31,590
>> what falls under professional services.

3754
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:34,880
» Professional services is uh a number of

3755
02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:38,880
uh categories including the the uh

3756
02:50:38,880 --> 02:50:41,120
general services bills that we pay to

3757
02:50:41,120 --> 02:50:44,399
the county for for animal services.

3758
02:50:44,399 --> 02:50:49,040
Um it it covers uh amount that we're

3759
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:51,279
paying to the chamber of commerce. It

3760
02:50:51,279 --> 02:50:54,399
covers, if you look in the budget uh for

3761
02:50:54,399 --> 02:50:56,640
that page, it details about a dozen

3762
02:50:56,640 --> 02:51:00,160
different uh

3763
02:51:00,160 --> 02:51:04,479
line items of of uh

3764
02:51:04,479 --> 02:51:13,269
detail for that uh category. Thank you.

3765
02:51:13,279 --> 02:51:24,630
» Okay. Opening public comment.

3766
02:51:24,640 --> 02:51:26,720
I too am, my name is Todd Greenberg. I

3767
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:28,640
too am very concerned about Fairfax's

3768
02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:30,399
legal costs, which have been

3769
02:51:30,399 --> 02:51:33,520
significantly over budget for years now.

3770
02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:35,920
Yet, the council and public still do not

3771
02:51:35,920 --> 02:51:38,720
receive complete and timely monthly

3772
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:41,920
reporting. The June report shows nearly

3773
02:51:41,920 --> 02:51:43,439
$975,000

3774
02:51:43,439 --> 02:51:46,240
in attorney expenses for fiscal year

3775
02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:49,760
2025 2026, about $317,000

3776
02:51:49,760 --> 02:51:53,760
for quote general services, $470,000 for

3777
02:51:53,760 --> 02:51:56,240
special or litigation services, nearly

3778
02:51:56,240 --> 02:51:58,880
$188,000 charged to the Meadowway Bridge

3779
02:51:58,880 --> 02:52:00,880
project. The ledger also shows

3780
02:52:00,880 --> 02:52:03,279
litigation was budgeted at $100,000 but

3781
02:52:03,279 --> 02:52:05,840
reached approximately $473,000.

3782
02:52:05,840 --> 02:52:08,560
Claims and settlements added almost

3783
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:11,120
$170,000. Even at year end, the attorney

3784
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:13,359
schedule still contains blank months for

3785
02:52:13,359 --> 02:52:15,359
some firms and matters. So, the final

3786
02:52:15,359 --> 02:52:18,160
total may and will be higher. Why are

3787
02:52:18,160 --> 02:52:20,479
legal bills, acred legal costs, and

3788
02:52:20,479 --> 02:52:22,240
budget overruns not presented to the

3789
02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:24,800
council every month on a timely basis

3790
02:52:24,800 --> 02:52:26,640
while there is still time to control

3791
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:28,960
spending? Government finance best

3792
02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:30,880
practices call for regular budget to

3793
02:52:30,880 --> 02:52:33,200
actual monitoring and prompt disclosure

3794
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:35,760
of significant variances. Attorney

3795
02:52:35,760 --> 02:52:37,760
client privilege may justify redacting

3796
02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:39,760
sensitive descriptions, but it should

3797
02:52:39,760 --> 02:52:41,760
not prevent disclosure of aggregate

3798
02:52:41,760 --> 02:52:44,319
spending, vendor totals, account

3799
02:52:44,319 --> 02:52:47,040
charges, or budget variances. Please

3800
02:52:47,040 --> 02:52:50,240
require one consolidated monthly report

3801
02:52:50,240 --> 02:52:53,680
showing every law firm fund account and

3802
02:52:53,680 --> 02:52:55,920
project amounts build and acred, the

3803
02:52:55,920 --> 02:52:58,560
adopted budget, the variance, the

3804
02:52:58,560 --> 02:53:00,319
projected year-end total, and who

3805
02:53:00,319 --> 02:53:02,960
authorized spending beyond budget. The

3806
02:53:02,960 --> 02:53:05,040
public should not learn months later

3807
02:53:05,040 --> 02:53:07,120
that legal expenses exceeded budget by

3808
02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:08,960
hundreds of thousands of dollars. The

3809
02:53:08,960 --> 02:53:10,640
council needs this information before

3810
02:53:10,640 --> 02:53:13,200
costs escalate, not after the fiscal

3811
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:16,640
year ends. Please

3812
02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:20,560
get all of the legal bills in one place

3813
02:53:20,560 --> 02:53:22,960
and quit hiding them in uncatategorized

3814
02:53:22,960 --> 02:53:25,600
and other sections. Legal belongs in

3815
02:53:25,600 --> 02:53:29,279
legal clearly discernable to everybody.

3816
02:53:29,279 --> 02:53:33,439
>> Thank you. Any other speakers? Okay.

3817
02:53:33,439 --> 02:53:36,080
Closing public comment on this item. Can

3818
02:53:36,080 --> 02:53:37,439
I have a motion, please?

3819
02:53:37,439 --> 02:53:39,120
>> I move uh

3820
02:53:39,120 --> 02:53:40,960
>> accept the financials.

3821
02:53:40,960 --> 02:53:43,760
>> Uh I'll second.

3822
02:53:43,760 --> 02:53:45,600
>> All in favor?

3823
02:53:45,600 --> 02:53:46,319
>> I.

3824
02:53:46,319 --> 02:53:47,359
>> Any naysay?

3825
02:53:47,359 --> 02:53:49,359
>> No.

3826
02:53:49,359 --> 02:53:54,000
>> Oh, we have one nay.

3827
02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:54,880
>> One no.

3828
02:53:54,880 --> 02:53:56,240
>> No. Mike said no.

3829
02:53:56,240 --> 02:53:56,880
>> Two.

3830
02:53:56,880 --> 02:53:58,880
>> Okay. Oh, I

3831
02:53:58,880 --> 02:54:00,560
>> I'm just We got to get a handle on this

3832
02:54:00,560 --> 02:54:01,680
litigation course.

3833
02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:03,600
>> Okay, so let's move on.

3834
02:54:03,600 --> 02:54:07,750
>> Okay. Um,

3835
02:54:07,760 --> 02:54:10,319
we are jouring in honor of John

3836
02:54:10,319 --> 02:54:15,399
Sergeant. And with that, good night.