1 00:00:00,719 --> 00:00:03,439 My eyes used to be good, but I can't see 2 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:06,000 uh who signed in online. Do we have any 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,359 other council members that are uh 4 00:00:07,359 --> 00:00:11,920 showing in that in the attendee list? Do 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,200 we have any other council members in the 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:14,559 attendee list? I can't see the screen 7 00:00:14,559 --> 00:00:18,230 out there. 8 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:20,080 Okay, so we have three of us. We need a 9 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:21,199 I just want to make sure we have a 10 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:47,110 fourth. 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:01:33,109 Okay, we can begin recording. 12 00:01:33,119 --> 00:01:34,400 All right, ladies and gentlemen, the 13 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,400 town is now the time is now 7:04 and 14 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,240 today's date is July 15th, 2026. And 15 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,680 welcome to the stop sign program uh 16 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,109 community forum. 17 00:01:47,119 --> 00:01:49,280 We have members of the community uh 18 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,759 joining us today in the auditorium. And 19 00:01:51,759 --> 00:01:54,479 then we also got uh members online and 20 00:01:54,479 --> 00:01:56,640 we have our chief of police as well as a 21 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,520 representative from Avio, the uh company 22 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,119 that runs and administers the program 23 00:02:01,119 --> 00:02:04,320 for us. And um we've gathered here today 24 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,840 because 25 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,759 uh before implementing this program, the 26 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:10,399 town did outreach, but we have heard 27 00:02:10,399 --> 00:02:13,920 concerns. And the purpose of tonight's 28 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,000 forum is to explain why the town 29 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,400 implemented the program in the beginning 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,640 to answer questions about how it goes. 31 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:26,000 You can't hear me. 32 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:33,670 Okay. 33 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,680 All right. Let's straight out a 34 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,040 technical issue. Straight out a 35 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,000 technical issue while we 36 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,830 do that. 37 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,360 And also I want to make sure see if 38 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:56,070 folks at home can hear us. 39 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,519 Is there someone online who's able to 40 00:02:57,519 --> 00:03:00,000 confirm if you can hear? 41 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,319 Okay, 42 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:02,879 >> I can hear you 43 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:04,319 >> in the auditorium though. You can't hear 44 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:07,440 me or is that better? That's better. 45 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Okay. Uh the purpose of tonight's forum 46 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,920 is to explain why the town implemented 47 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:14,720 the stop sign safety program, to answer 48 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,879 questions about how it operates, to hear 49 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:19,200 your concerns as residents, and to 50 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,560 discuss whether changes should be 51 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,040 considered. Uh our responsibility as 52 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,680 your elected officials is not only to 53 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,280 implement programs that improve safety, 54 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,620 but also to evaluate them honestly. Uh 55 00:03:29,620 --> 00:03:30,799 [clears throat] when residents raise 56 00:03:30,799 --> 00:03:32,959 concerns, we have a responsibility to 57 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:35,680 listen, to review the facts, and to 58 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,599 determine whether adjustments make 59 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:40,239 sense. I ask that everyone uh be 60 00:03:40,239 --> 00:03:42,720 respectful of everyone's views. Uh we 61 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,080 may have different perspectives tonight 62 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,000 on the program, but we share the same 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,159 objective, and that is making for sites 64 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:51,440 a safer place to live, to work, and to 65 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,080 raise our families. 66 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,440 Tonight's discussion is going to be 67 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,599 divided into two portions. First, we'll 68 00:03:57,599 --> 00:03:59,200 give some information 69 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,519 and we'll try to provide 70 00:04:01,519 --> 00:04:04,239 uh information that will may answer some 71 00:04:04,239 --> 00:04:05,920 of the questions that you have or it may 72 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,560 help inform uh your question that may 73 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,480 change. We're also going to 74 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,480 at the uh after the presentation portion 75 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,680 and answer some questions. We're going 76 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,199 to open up the forum so anyone who's 77 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:19,919 here or who's online will have the 78 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:22,479 opportunity to ask a question or make a 79 00:04:22,479 --> 00:04:24,960 statement so we can get your feedback. 80 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,639 Um, we wanted to do this outside of a 81 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:29,199 regular meeting since those tend to be 82 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:30,720 very long and about different topics 83 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,680 tonight. This next hour is simply about 84 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,080 uh stop sign and pedestrian safety in 85 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,479 our community, where we are now, and how 86 00:04:38,479 --> 00:04:44,070 we move forward. 87 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,479 So, firstly, I'd like to address that um 88 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:48,720 the stop sign safety program was created 89 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,479 in response to concerns raised by 90 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:52,639 residents regarding drivers failing to 91 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:55,360 stop at a particular intersection in 92 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,840 town. The place we first heard uh 93 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,800 complaints about was Synen Moakin. And 94 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,040 those complaints were connected to the 95 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,320 fact that it's frequently used by 96 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,520 students walking to Forest Heights 97 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,320 Elementary. And it's also located in an 98 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:09,520 area where a lot of people walk to 99 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,560 Bellers Park. This is a place where 100 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,479 residents and families reg regularly 101 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:19,360 walk and gather. In November 2023, 102 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,280 the town conducted a pilot study at that 103 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:24,160 intersection. And the results showed a 104 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,600 significant number of stop sign 105 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,680 violations happening over a 30-day 106 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,360 period. 107 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:30,720 To determine whether this was an 108 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,919 isolated concern or if it was happening 109 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:35,600 at other places in the community, the 110 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,360 town conducted a second pilot study in 111 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,320 2025 at 11 intersections throughout 112 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,039 forest heights. The research uh the 113 00:05:43,039 --> 00:05:44,560 results from that showed an average of 114 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,280 approximately 3,800 stop sign violations 115 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,960 per day across those locations. 116 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,080 Uh the intended goal of this program has 117 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,560 always been to improve compliance with 118 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,880 stop signs, reduce dangerous driving 119 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,759 behavior, and to make our streets safer 120 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:04,240 for pedestrians, children, and all 121 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,840 residents really, and to prevent 122 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:10,309 accidents from happening. 123 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:13,280 Now, before the citations began, the 124 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:14,800 town took several steps to notify 125 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,160 residents about the program and its 126 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,880 implementation. Information was shared 127 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,039 through two town newsletters, press 128 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:23,919 releases, a newspaper notice, the town's 129 00:06:23,919 --> 00:06:26,319 communication channels, and there was a 130 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:29,199 warning period that began part prior to 131 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:30,800 enforcement. 132 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,880 Even with those efforts, we continued to 133 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,120 hear concerns from residents about how 134 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,199 the program works, whether it's being 135 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:40,000 administered fairly, and whether it is 136 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,160 achieving its intended purpose. So 137 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,400 rather than dismiss those concerns, we 138 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,240 believe that it's important to create an 139 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,400 opportunity for direct conversation with 140 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,479 you, the residents. Tonight's an 141 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:52,560 opportunity for us to answer questions 142 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,319 and to discuss the program more. 143 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:58,000 So, at this time, I'm going to turn it 144 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,560 over to our chief of police, Chief 145 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,960 Daniel Ruffin, to answer some basic 146 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,840 questions about what constitutes a stop, 147 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:08,479 what we've observed as being the correct 148 00:07:08,479 --> 00:07:11,039 stop, and what uh constitutes a 149 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:16,150 violation. 150 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,680 All right, how you guys doing tonight? 151 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,120 So, what constitute a correct stop is 152 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,120 when you stop before the actual line. 153 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,319 Um, once you go over the line, that's 154 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:31,919 when the violation is sent to us. So, I 155 00:07:31,919 --> 00:07:34,160 can share my screen real quick and I 156 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,599 want to show you guys just a couple 157 00:07:35,599 --> 00:08:17,510 examples. 158 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,199 So what we're looking for when we um are 159 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:24,479 doing the violation is as we go through 160 00:08:24,479 --> 00:08:26,720 every single time that we are approving 161 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,960 a violation, we have to look to make 162 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,479 sure one they're going over the stop 163 00:08:30,479 --> 00:08:32,719 line and there's not stopping prior to 164 00:08:32,719 --> 00:08:34,320 the stop line. So if you look at this 165 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,479 video and these are just different 166 00:08:36,479 --> 00:08:40,560 angles. If you go over the line, that is 167 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:43,519 when the citation is issued. Um, there 168 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:44,959 are times when you guys are getting the 169 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:48,880 citation and it's the picture. If you go 170 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,959 on to less drive safer and actually 171 00:08:50,959 --> 00:08:52,959 watch the video, if it goes over that 172 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:55,120 line before you come to a complete stop, 173 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,920 that's when the violation is sent to us. 174 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,200 every single violation that we are I 175 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,480 guess you would say approving, they are 176 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,320 going over the stop line or we are 177 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,920 literally watching every single 178 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,720 violation to make sure that the person 179 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,760 that is doing it isn't stopping at the 180 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,360 line or hesitating before we approve any 181 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,560 violation. And these are just a couple 182 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,279 different angles of different violations 183 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:25,519 that have been approved and why they are 184 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:27,839 approved. Even though you see the brake 185 00:09:27,839 --> 00:09:30,160 light, they're going through the stop 186 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,399 sign. 187 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:35,680 >> Just just a moment. I know that we have 188 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:36,880 >> these are the ones that 189 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,160 >> Chief, just just one moment. I just want 190 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,760 to set ground rules. I know that we may 191 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:40,959 not agree on everything, but we are 192 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:42,800 going to have a portion when members of 193 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,240 the public can speak and you can share 194 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,320 your opinion. I'm not going to stop you 195 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,160 and I'm not going to refute what you 196 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,640 say. So, if we can accept the ground 197 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,600 rules, we'll get through tonight and 198 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:54,959 we'll let people share how they feel, 199 00:09:54,959 --> 00:09:57,200 whether in support or if they feel 200 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,800 differently. 201 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,519 >> All right. So, back to what I was 202 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:04,640 saying. So, for example, the the reason 203 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,360 why you get the citation is because 204 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,560 you're going over the stop line. It's 205 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,120 not if you 206 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,519 come up to the stop line and stop. The 207 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,160 only way that it is triggering to for us 208 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,880 to get the violation is once you go over 209 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,360 that stop line, it triggers for us to 210 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:24,880 come through. There are multiple 211 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:26,880 different factors that are in place 212 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,040 prior to it getting to us. Once it gets 213 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,079 to us, every single citation is being 214 00:10:32,079 --> 00:10:35,360 reviewed prior to it going out to you 215 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,720 guys to get the citation. Um, the last 216 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,160 couple ones, I know the biggest 217 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,120 intersection is this one that everybody 218 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,760 has talked about, but when we have 219 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,760 people that are out, especially going 220 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,240 through the crosswalk, it's kind of hard 221 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:55,120 for us to um go through there. So, 222 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:06,310 that's this is Comanche Livingston. 223 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,720 So that is how the citations are 224 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,760 working. Now a complete stop is when you 225 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,839 come to that stop line. You're 226 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:16,240 completely stopping at the stop line. 227 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,000 Your wheels have to stop prior to the 228 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,600 stop line. Once they stop and then you 229 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,079 proceed out, it will not get you a 230 00:11:26,079 --> 00:11:29,430 violation. 231 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,680 » Okay, let's move to another question. 232 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:33,680 There's a the summary of a lot of items 233 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:35,839 that I know um residents have raised 234 00:11:35,839 --> 00:11:36,800 concerns about. So, we're going to go 235 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,880 through and try to address most of 236 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,560 those. Um one question we've heard is 237 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:43,760 how do we know about the camera 238 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,680 calibration and the accuracy of the 239 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:49,920 cameras? And this is going to go to u 240 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,760 who do we have online from AIO tonight? 241 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,760 >> Hi. Uh my name is Ricky Sammon. am the 242 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,600 community and customer success lead and 243 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,320 I've got uh my colleague Wade Borman uh 244 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,240 on the on the call as well. Um he is our 245 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,600 program manager. 246 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,440 >> Okay. So we've got uh Mr. Borman and Mr. 247 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,040 Seaman. One of the questions we've had 248 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,839 from residents is um why does it appear 249 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:14,079 in a video that the vehicle is going 250 00:12:14,079 --> 00:12:15,760 faster than maybe a resident feels like 251 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,360 they're actually moving in their their 252 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,800 car? All right. And how do you calibrate 253 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,920 the cameras and know that they're 254 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,320 accurately uh depicting if a vehicle 255 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,560 stops or is how it's moving through the 256 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:29,030 stop sign? 257 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,240 » Yeah, thank thanks thanks for that 258 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,839 question. Um I'm going to see if my my 259 00:12:31,839 --> 00:12:33,120 colleague Wade might be able to take 260 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,519 this one. Um Wade, if you're on. I know 261 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,120 Wade was having some connectivity 262 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,310 issues. 263 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,040 » Y'all hear me? Okay. 264 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,440 >> Yes. 265 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,760 So we uh we have technicians out in the 266 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,279 field and we have software engineers 267 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:57,120 starting on the back end. So 268 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,880 everything's okay and calibrate it. 269 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,800 Basically 270 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,150 the video 271 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,240 judge 272 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,440 video to the video it isn't sped up or 273 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,079 manipulated if it were to be. We're 274 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:16,160 still looking for a complete stop in the 275 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,200 right area before the stop line. 276 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,560 >> Does that make sense? 277 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:22,560 >> Mr. Borman, one moment. We had uh some 278 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,160 individuals walk in just as you started 279 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,600 your answer. So, give me just one 280 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,120 minute. Once they get seated, I'm going 281 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,800 to have you repeat that so everyone gets 282 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:47,110 a chance to hear. 283 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,639 Okay, if you could give us that answer 284 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:50,399 again on the calibration and how that 285 00:13:50,399 --> 00:14:04,150 works. 286 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,760 Wait, you may 287 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:14,310 >> you muted if you're 288 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,000 » Mr. Borman, can can you hear me? You can 289 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:33,910 go ahead and restate the answer. 290 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,480 Okay. I'm not able to hear your audio at 291 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,320 this time. Mr. Seaman, if you have the 292 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,920 answer, you can give it now. If not, I'm 293 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,920 going to go to another question and we 294 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,360 may come back to this one. 295 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,839 >> Yeah. So we have technicians that are 296 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:47,600 out there every day um that are checking 297 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,079 for the the actual hardware calibration. 298 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:51,839 Um so that's the kind of the the first 299 00:14:51,839 --> 00:14:54,000 aspect of it. The second aspect of it is 300 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,160 uh every single violation that comes in 301 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,160 um our internal team uh they are 302 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,399 reviewing um for any kind of calibration 303 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:02,480 errors or issues or anything per 304 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,199 violation. Um so as far as calibration 305 00:15:05,199 --> 00:15:07,760 goes uh it's twice daily for hardware. 306 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,800 Um and then it is upon uh each violation 307 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,269 um calibration check. 308 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:20,000 » Okay. Another question we've heard is 309 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,279 there was a warning period and during 310 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:24,959 that period only warnings were supposed 311 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:27,279 to be mailed out. Uh how many warnings 312 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:29,040 were mailed out during the warning 313 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:35,829 period? 314 00:15:35,839 --> 00:15:37,440 Let me see if this is also maybe an 315 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,519 answer for my colleague Mr. Borman. I 316 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:40,560 know he's having some connectivity 317 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:53,590 issues as well. 318 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,360 Give me one second. I may have the 319 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,800 answer for you. I know Wade's trying to 320 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,600 connect again. 321 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,120 Apologies for the technical difficulties 322 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:31,110 here, everyone. 323 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,880 Okay. Um, if if we're able to uh punt 324 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,199 this question, um, uh, my colleague's 325 00:16:37,199 --> 00:16:39,440 going to be, uh, trying to reconnect and 326 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,199 see if we can get the answer. Um, 327 00:16:41,199 --> 00:17:46,549 apologies for that. 328 00:17:46,559 --> 00:17:52,160 Yeah, apologies for that. Um, if we can jump to the next question. Uh, 329 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,320 my colleague is going to going to pull 330 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,080 up that information. Um, again, sorry, 331 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,160 he's having some connectivity issues. Uh 332 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,190 on that 333 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,520 » the next question um is could you 334 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:15,990 explain the appeals process 335 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,520 and Chief Ruffin you may have a better 336 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,120 answer for this. I'm going to go to you 337 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:20,000 on this one. 338 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,480 >> All right. If you want to appeal your 339 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,039 ticket, um especially a stop sign camera 340 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:26,640 ticket, there are a couple ways that you 341 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,039 could do it. Um one, if you go online 342 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:31,360 and you are looking at it and you want 343 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,679 to appeal it, you can bring it to us. We 344 00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:35,919 can look at it. However, the best way to 345 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:38,880 appeal it is you everybody will get a 346 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,000 court date. You take it to court and you 347 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,320 the representative for AIO will be there 348 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,720 and the judge will see the ticket and 349 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,520 that is your way to say whether the 350 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,200 judge is there. That's not us. That's 351 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,200 not AIO making the decision. This is 352 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,520 from the judge's point of view. If you 353 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,320 have committed that violation, every 354 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,480 single person has the right to go before 355 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,960 the judge and appeal every single 356 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,480 citation that they are given. Um if they 357 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,280 have a if you want a court date and you 358 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,120 want to go before the judge, you can 359 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:17,510 appeal your um stop sign camera ticket. 360 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,350 Yes, sir. 361 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:23,120 I'm going to have a worship. Who's this? 362 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,280 Council member uh I'm sorry, Kennedy. Is 363 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,160 that you, sir? 364 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,280 >> Yeah. 365 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,470 >> Go ahead. 366 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,400 » Because 367 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,600 so only 368 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,679 I guess we've already gone to court to 369 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:42,080 contest some of these people. 370 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,240 >> Yes, a lot of people have gone to court 371 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:52,950 to contest it. 372 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,200 » It depends on the judge. I can't say 373 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,520 whether the judge will court call. 374 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,919 Sometimes it's the violation or no court 375 00:19:59,919 --> 00:20:03,360 call. Sometimes it is. That's up to that 376 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:05,760 system in order to make that um final 377 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:17,830 decision. 378 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,080 We have an unbudsment process where you 379 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,160 can send it to the embuzzment officer 380 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,720 and the embuzzment officer will get back 381 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,840 in contact with you and then they will 382 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,240 review your complaint and your situation 383 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,400 and then they will let you know whether 384 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,440 it's going to be cleared or if they're 385 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,080 going to say no and then send you to 386 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,270 court. 387 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,840 When you call here, we will direct you 388 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:49,669 to the embuzzment officer. 389 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:52,080 No. So, the the 390 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,440 Well, hold on. Just the reason why I did 391 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,039 not answer it that way is because I want 392 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:00,240 to make sure it's very clear. The AIO is 393 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,679 a it's not just for forest heights. So 394 00:21:03,679 --> 00:21:06,080 every embuzzment for every municipality 395 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,000 is different. So if we put the 396 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,720 embuzzment information on that ticket, 397 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,360 it wouldn't be for every jurisdiction. 398 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,919 So that's why if you have a situation 399 00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:17,840 for the town of Forest Heights, we will 400 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,919 direct you to the person that it needs 401 00:21:19,919 --> 00:21:24,789 to go to. 402 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:27,600 So when you request a court date, you 403 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,000 have the option um to either request a 404 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,159 court date or if you call and ask us 405 00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:33,840 questions about it, then that's when we 406 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,200 would direct you to the unbudsman 407 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,520 officer. 408 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,520 It's the request for the court dates on 409 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,559 the ticket, but internally you can go to 410 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:49,110 us for the unbudsment. 411 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,480 When you're telling something that oh 412 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,080 it's known, but how is it known? It's 413 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,440 not on the ticket. 414 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,360 >> Well, we can we can see if that's 415 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,039 something we can add, but as of right 416 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:59,280 now, the way it states, if you would 417 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,200 like to do it internally, we would go 418 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,080 through our unbudsman officer. 419 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,520 Well, that's why we have the forum now, 420 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,400 so we can make it clear for everybody. 421 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,440 The forum where we're in now. Yes. Nope. 422 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,440 The forum. So that's why we're here now 423 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,720 so that we can answer all these 424 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,320 questions and make sure it's clear to 425 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,600 the public because we do want to make 426 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,960 sure that the information is getting out 427 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,640 to everybody. And we want to make this 428 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,720 process as smooth as possible. I know 429 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,400 sometimes it may be an inconvenience, 430 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,919 but we're trying every way possible to 431 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:32,000 rectify before you even have to go to 432 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,159 court. And we will show you how to pull 433 00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:35,600 up your violation. We will show you how 434 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,520 to look at it. We will show you what to 435 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,520 do. But if you ultimately want to take 436 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,320 it to court, every single person has the 437 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:58,710 right to take it to court. Yes, sir. 438 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,880 » We approve it. It is dispersed by AIO. 439 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,400 It's mailing it to you. Yes. We don't 440 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:18,149 mail it out. 441 00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:20,480 need to go to court. 442 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,590 >> Absolutely. No, no, no, no, ma'am. 443 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,080 You know, we will we will come through 444 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,200 if there is an immediate emergency, we 445 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,799 will actually pick up the phone, which 446 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:34,960 we have done, and say, "Hey, let's go to 447 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,120 let's drive safer together. we can watch 448 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:38,480 the video. We will show you how to pull 449 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,480 it up so that you can watch it along 450 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,240 with us so we can show you how to do it. 451 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,600 There have been many of people that have 452 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,520 come down to the station and we will 453 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,200 pull it up for you so that you can see 454 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,360 it and then make your own judgment call 455 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,760 at that moment as well. If you haven't 456 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,960 received the call back from the 457 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,200 unbudsman officer in a timely manner 458 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,520 for those who are at home, I don't know 459 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,039 if they can hear us since we're doing a 460 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:02,640 virtual meeting. If you have a question, 461 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,640 would you mind coming back to the uh 462 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,640 podium to ask so that way someone has 463 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,240 the same question, they can hear the 464 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,919 answer. 465 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:11,360 Or do we have a mic we can take to 466 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:12,720 someone? I'm trying to see if we can 467 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:29,029 make it easy. 468 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,360 » Yes, ma'am. 469 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:32,799 still speaking to you. 470 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:34,320 >> No problem. Yeah. Okay. Okay. 471 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,799 >> All right. My question is, you showed us 472 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:41,520 the videos of people pulling up to the line. Yes, ma'am. 473 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,760 >> The white line. So, you're telling me I 474 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,720 shouldn't cross the white line 475 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,279 >> or, you know, you grow up growing up 476 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:50,799 driving up to that white line? 477 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:52,480 >> No. That California stop, that 478 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,640 California road, we can't do it here in 479 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,159 Maryland. So what happens is what I what 480 00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:01,360 I the way that it works you have to your 481 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,039 wheels have to stop prior to the white 482 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,600 line. Now the question would be well I 483 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,159 can't see right you have to that's where 484 00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:12,480 the merging comes in because what we 485 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,640 don't want to happen most of the stop 486 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,960 signs that we have are right before a 487 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,000 crosswalk. So when you stop at that 488 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,200 white line and your wheels come to a 489 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,520 complete stop, meaning your car is 490 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,520 driving and you feel that little shift 491 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,720 back, then you're you have stopped. Once 492 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,760 you stop, then you can merge out into 493 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,640 traffic. But if your wheels are still 494 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,360 moving, it will trigger for the camera 495 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,679 to give you a citation because you have 496 00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:45,440 entered into that box and your wheels 497 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,029 are still moving. 498 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,080 Okay. In other words, I need to stop 499 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,679 before the white line. 500 00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:56,000 >> Yes, ma'am. 501 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000 >> Not at the white line. 502 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,880 >> Not on the white line. Before the white 503 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,440 line. 504 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,159 >> Before the white line. 505 00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:04,720 >> And if you are in behind someone that 506 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,120 has already stopped, you still have to 507 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,480 stop again 508 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,440 >> at the white line. 509 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,960 So, let's say you're 510 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,679 in line and there's two cars. If that 511 00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:15,279 car in front of you stopped at the white 512 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:16,480 line and you're behind them and you 513 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,360 stop, just because you stopped doesn't 514 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,120 mean you can run. You have to come to 515 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,760 that stop sign again, stop, and then 516 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,400 merge into traffic. 517 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,480 >> Thank you. And to keep it fair and 518 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,080 efficient, since we have the next 519 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,000 meeting at 8 and to give each person an 520 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,440 equal opportunity, I'll just limit the 521 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,400 comments to two minutes. Thank you. Um, 522 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,640 first I'm not complaining about the stop 523 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,520 signs cuz people need to stop. Totally 524 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,520 understand. I stopped at every stop sign 525 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,440 now. Doesn't matter if it's in Forest 526 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,200 Heights or not, if it has a camera or 527 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,159 not. My only issue is you can barely see 528 00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:54,000 the lines. 529 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,159 A lot of the lines need to be painted. 530 00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:58,320 You can't see them at night. Sometimes 531 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,600 you can't 532 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,480 >> Yes, ma'am. And they have the 533 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,480 >> No, let's let this all continue. You 534 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,840 have anything else? 535 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,760 Yeah, that was basic. That was my second 536 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,159 one about the lines. You know, I know 537 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:11,600 that you guys were going through and 538 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,919 painting some of them, but not all of 539 00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:16,880 them are painted. And before before you 540 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,640 rolled this out, I feel like you should 541 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,480 have painted made sure that the lines 542 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,760 were painted, 543 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,600 >> right? And I understand you gave a 544 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,480 warning period, but the the lines wasn't 545 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,120 painted after the warning period. And 546 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:33,520 some of um some of the lines you 547 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,919 couldn't even see. like that one on 548 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:38,640 Quaid, you couldn't see the line. It was 549 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,600 faded. And I understand that I had to 550 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,840 stop and my nose couldn't be touching 551 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,520 the line and all of that. I found that 552 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,559 out later, 553 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,720 >> but still the line wasn't there. The 554 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,159 line wasn't it was merged with the 555 00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:52,320 street, so I didn't feel like that was 556 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,159 fair, you know. 557 00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:57,679 >> Yes, ma'am. No, I I I understand. Yes, 558 00:27:57,679 --> 00:28:00,710 ma'am. 559 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,159 » All right. I see I have someone online 560 00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:04,080 as the next person's coming up inside. 561 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,200 you can come up. I'm going to take 562 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,880 someone off uh line and someone can tell 563 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,399 me the names. I can't see these names on 564 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:13,110 the screen tonight, but I'll 565 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:16,960 » Jonas Mitchell. Jonas Mitchell. 566 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,159 >> I'm going to go to Mr. Jonas Mitchell. 567 00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:22,159 >> Hey guys, can you hear me? 568 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:23,679 >> Yes, we can. 569 00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:25,679 >> Hey, so I actually have two Well, I have 570 00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:27,360 one question and then one more of a 571 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,360 statement. The first question, when uh 572 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,520 deciding to implement this program, I 573 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,679 know there were 3,800 violations of like 574 00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:35,279 running the stop signs. Were there any 575 00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,840 incidents of of anything, you know, 576 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,840 accidents, people getting hit, those 577 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,909 types of things? 578 00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:48,320 We've had multiple um I would say within 579 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,320 the last 6 months, we've had two 580 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880 pedestrians that have been struck um and 581 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,880 hit at the crosswalks. 582 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,960 Okay. Because I hadn't heard of those. 583 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,120 Okay. And then my second uh more of a 584 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,039 statement. So you mentioned uh so I'm 585 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,240 assuming that you've heard it already 586 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,760 that um as you're going to stop at the 587 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,440 stop sign um that people can't see. And 588 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,840 so I think it's almost unfair 589 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,760 for anyone who's going to be driving 590 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,399 through our neighborhood uh and there us 591 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:23,440 as residents as well on the very first 592 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,760 few instances because you say that it's 593 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,480 best for you to stop at the line which 594 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,559 is perfectly fine. Once you tell people 595 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:32,320 that I think everyone would do it I 596 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,520 don't think there there's going to be 597 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,240 any issues there. The problem is that 598 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,799 when you do go to stop at I know I live 599 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,440 on Ottawa so going from Ottawa and 600 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,200 turning towards Livingston and then 601 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,360 stopping at Living uh Livingston or 602 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,799 Comanche sorry so and then stop on 603 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,600 Comanche going onto Livingston 604 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,960 on both of those views you can't see the 605 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,720 road right like you can't see what's 606 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,080 coming through so I know most of the 607 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,679 time on Comanche there's like a van or 608 00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,679 truck that's always there so it's really 609 00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:01,360 hard to see the traffic that's coming 610 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,679 through and then when you stop right 611 00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:05,600 before you turn on Livingston, there's a 612 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,840 tree that's there. So, you won't be able 613 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,000 to see that either. So, for the vast 614 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,120 majority of people who are coming 615 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,960 through our neighborhood on the very 616 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,960 first time, if they don't know anything 617 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,799 about stopping specifically at that 618 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:20,080 line, they'll stop, but still get cited, 619 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,880 which I know I was, and still get cited 620 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,880 even though they stopped. And I had that 621 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,120 multiple times happened to me until 622 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,960 eventually we figured out, oh, it must 623 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,880 be the line. So, I don't know if there's 624 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,480 a sign or something that we can put 625 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440 there specifically that says stop here, 626 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,799 not just a stop sign. Everyone knows 627 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,000 there's a stop sign and they're going to 628 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,840 stop. But if you want people to 629 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,799 specifically stop at the line, 630 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:44,640 >> I think there should be an extra Sorry. 631 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,159 There should be an extra sign that says 632 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:48,399 stop here at the line. 633 00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:49,440 >> Thank you, sir. 634 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,440 >> Yep. 635 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,750 >> Miss Bracie, 636 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,559 » hi. Um I I had the same concern about 637 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:02,320 Comanche and Livingston and I noticed uh 638 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,080 after 6 months just ahead of this 639 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,440 meeting that uh Bush had been trimmed. 640 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,120 Um but it's still 641 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,799 doesn't take away from the fact that we 642 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:16,080 still have to stop twice. First for the 643 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,720 pose for the camera and second to see 644 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,159 what's coming in either direction 645 00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:22,240 because you still cannot see everything 646 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,159 coming in either direction on Comanche 647 00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:26,799 Drive in Livingston. My other concern is 648 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,120 that I just recently got uh 649 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,840 administrative fees for uh tickets from 650 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,679 a while back. Tickets that I never 651 00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:36,720 received. I never received any uh uh 652 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,559 late notices or anything. And I find it 653 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,039 highly unlikely that I received all of 654 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:48,320 my mail except Forest Heights uh uh stop 655 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,559 camera tickets. So um those are my Oh, 656 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:55,360 and also the ombbudsman. I I went to the 657 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760 office the other day to complain and she 658 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,440 gave me the she told me to complain to 659 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,279 the on busman and gave me an email 660 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,000 address. I did email today and it came 661 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,000 back saying no such address. So and plus 662 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,399 she was not very happy that I even asked 663 00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:13,519 the question and that's my concern. 664 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,960 >> Okay, I'll answer the two of them for 665 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,880 you. The one for Comanche and 666 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,640 Livingston. Why do you have to stop 667 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,799 twice? If you look at the intersection 668 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:24,720 at Comanche and Livingston, if you don't 669 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,320 stop prior to merging out into traffic, 670 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,000 you're literally stopping in the 671 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,919 crosswalk. So, if someone is walking on 672 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,240 that crosswalk, you're going to be in 673 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,360 the crosswalk as somebody is walking um 674 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,360 down Livingston Road. So, we do want you 675 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,840 to stop at the stop sign. If you stop 676 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,559 once and merge into traffic, you will 677 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,200 not get a violation. It is when you run 678 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,679 over the stop line and go into the 679 00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:53,919 crosswalk to emerge into traffic. That 680 00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:57,519 is when the um citation is issued. The 681 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,640 reason why we could not um trim the tree 682 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,640 fast enough because there are policies 683 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,200 and procedures that we have to follow as 684 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,919 a government before we can trim a tree 685 00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:10,000 on someone's private property. So, we 686 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,519 went through those proper steps. We did 687 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:13,039 everything we were supposed to do. 688 00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,840 However, even if the tree is there, you 689 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,480 still have to stop at the stop line and 690 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,559 you could merge into traffic and it will 691 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,880 not give you a violation. As far as the 692 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,159 unbudsment person or the fees, that's 693 00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:27,760 why we have the unbudsment person 694 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,039 because those fees can be taken back if 695 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,120 we see that we have made a mistake. 696 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,960 That's what we're here for. Not saying 697 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,640 that everything's perfect. Maybe the 698 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,640 mail got lost. Something happened. 699 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,880 That's why that is in place to make sure 700 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,200 you don't assess fees that's not 701 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,919 warranted for your violation. So if you 702 00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:47,360 have things like that and it's not 703 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,200 working, I'll tell you now, you can 704 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,799 email me and I'll make sure it gets 705 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,960 there. But I just want to make sure that 706 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,120 you understand if you have a fee and you 707 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,440 say, "Hey, we have some late fees and I 708 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,279 didn't get it." We can look and see, 709 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:00,799 hey, when it was mailed out, when it was 710 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:03,039 issued, any of those things, and make 711 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,760 sure that every single citation is valid 712 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,399 and we're not overcharging somebody. Our 713 00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:10,639 goal of the program is not to gain 714 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,599 money. It is to reduce the amount of 715 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,800 people that are driving through the stop 716 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,480 signs because we have walkers. We 717 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,320 usually have kids going to school. We 718 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,240 have people in the neighborhood that 719 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,879 like to walk and we see people that just 720 00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:27,359 run stop signs and it is dangerous 721 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:29,520 because we do not want anybody to get 722 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,000 hit. That's the goal of it. 723 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,000 >> Thank you, Chief. 724 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,399 And I I do have just one update as my my 725 00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:38,480 colleagues coming back online now. For 726 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,639 the warning letters question, uh we sent 727 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,560 out 1,910 728 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,750 warning letters um over a 30-day period. 729 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,119 » How many violations did you 730 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:52,399 >> have during that period? 731 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:57,040 >> Did we first get ju just a moment, Mr. 732 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,800 uh Seaman? How many is that the number 733 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200 of violations there were that month? 734 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,910 >> That's correct. 735 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,520 Just to repeat the question or the 736 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,680 statement, he was answering our earlier 737 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:10,880 question about how many warning 738 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,880 violations were sent out during the 739 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,240 warning period. That was over a 30-day 740 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,510 period. 741 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,230 » That's correct. 742 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,119 » How many tickets are have been issued 743 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,760 roughly on average in the 30 days 744 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,680 periods following the warning period? 745 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,760 Um, let me see. I've actually I have a 746 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,440 presentation here to kind of show the 747 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,160 progress of the uh of the the actual 748 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,470 program itself. 749 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:54,230 Um, let's see. 750 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:57,599 Sorry, I'm going to have to dig. Uh, 751 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,400 give me just one second. And then the 752 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,079 question was how many have been issued 753 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,760 in total since the the beginning? 754 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,040 >> Question was on average how many did you 755 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,599 issue over a 30-day period? Is it a 756 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:18,069 thousand or is it higher than that? 757 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:19,680 Sorry, I've got the the presentation 758 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,440 here that I was going to show you all. 759 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:41,430 See if I can find the information. 760 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:49,270 Um let's sorry uh per day 761 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,200 uh around that that's going to be around 762 00:36:51,200 --> 00:37:01,349 10,000. 763 00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:04,000 » That's on average. 764 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:14,630 >> That's per month. Correct. 765 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,760 » Okay. So, if you're going to bring 766 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,599 presentation up and so some show some of 767 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,599 the other data at this time. 768 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:20,800 >> I can definitely do that. Yes. 769 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,079 >> And I didn't forget. I know we got Miss 770 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,960 Mau who has a question, 771 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,040 a statement. 772 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,880 And I also know there's another hand 773 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:41,750 online. 774 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:59,670 Is everyone able to see my screen? 775 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,640 I'm sorry. Is everyone able to hear me 776 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,680 as well? 777 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,040 >> Yes, we can see it. 778 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,880 >> Okay. Excellent. Um, sorry, there may be 779 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,160 some connectivity issues there. Um, 780 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,320 excellent. Okay. Um, well, thank you 781 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,000 everyone uh again for for joining today. 782 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,920 So, like I said, I'm Ricky Seaman. I'm 783 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,000 the uh the new lead for community and 784 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,160 customer success. Um and I wanted to 785 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,839 talk to you guys uh all about the the 786 00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:23,760 program and kind of the the impact that 787 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,839 the program has uh been having so far in 788 00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:28,880 forest heights. So um since the 789 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,520 implementation um of this program um 790 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,119 we've seen an observed violations 791 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,359 decline across all deployments uh about 792 00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:38,640 around 55%. Um that is a change in 793 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,800 behavior um which is exactly uh like the 794 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,480 chief said uh exactly kind of what we're 795 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,480 looking for um to to make safer streets 796 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,280 really. We're looking for that 797 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,320 behavioral change. 798 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,200 Um so uh just a quick kind of uh couple 799 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,720 updates with with us uh let's drive 800 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,320 safer by AIO. Um uh you know we we have 801 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,119 uh passed the HB364 which is a traffic 802 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,800 safety. Um you know that's been 803 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,640 instrumental in in passing uh these stop sign monitoring legislation. Prince 804 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,880 George's County, Tacoma Park, Baltimore, 805 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,760 kind of all over. Um and really 20 25 806 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,920 2025 to 2026 we've seen kind of this 807 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,079 national movement of traffic and road 808 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,400 safety not just in Maryland. Um, but we 809 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,240 are also operating in Colorado, uh, 810 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,320 Virginia, um, looking at other states 811 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,160 right now, North Carolina, wrote, uh, 812 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,232 Delaware as well. Um, and excuse 813 00:39:25,232 --> 00:39:27,200 [clears throat] me, uh, since 2025, um, 814 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,520 we've had, um, an increase in about 70 815 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,839 plus cameras or so. Um, and that also 816 00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:36,079 includes a 65% reduction, um, in uh, in 817 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,400 unsafe stop sign running. That's it's a 818 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,359 change in behavior. again 819 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:45,359 um what kind of makes us different uh as a company uh working working with 820 00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:47,760 >> Mr. Mr. Let me let's do this. We have 821 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,079 limited time tonight, so let's fast 822 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:51,839 forward to the data that specifically 823 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:53,839 talks about the foresights program. 824 00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:55,680 >> Perfect. That sounds great. Yeah, I no 825 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,079 problem at all. Um, so uh just wanted to 826 00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:59,040 show you this here. These are the 827 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,359 violations that are down 52% since uh 828 00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:03,599 the program has begun. You can see here 829 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:07,200 on the left hand side uh 17,100 average 830 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,440 uh weekly violations. Um that was in 831 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,079 early January. uh this program has 832 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,640 decreased uh the number of violations by 833 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,240 52% like I had mentioned before 834 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,760 um you'll notice that there are high, 835 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,000 medium and low. These high, medium, low 836 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,119 in red, orange and blue uh these signify 837 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:28,400 uh the egregious uh uh rather the 838 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,720 egregiousness of the stop or lack 839 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,960 thereof itself. Um so you can think of 840 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,440 this as kind of speed, right? So the red 841 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,440 are going to be those violations that 842 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,839 are generally about around around 12 10 843 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,960 miles an hour and up. Medium on average 844 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,119 is going to be around let's say five to 845 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,520 5 to 10 miles an hour. Uh and then these 846 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,720 blue ones are going to be kind of those 847 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,359 lowle um kind of running through stop 848 00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:53,280 signs kind rules like the chief 849 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,119 mentioned. Um and so you you'll see 850 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,800 there's been a significant decrease as 851 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,119 well uh in these high egregious 852 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,119 violations not just in the program 853 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:05,440 overall changing that behavior. 854 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,440 All sites, there are 11 sites uh in 855 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,760 Forest Heights. Um we have seen all 856 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,319 sites uh go down sharply in the behavior 857 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:14,560 um and the number of violations. Otto 858 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,800 Street uh 67, Senica Drive 66, uh Kada 859 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,480 Street 65, Comanche 65, Senica 64, and 860 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,680 Otto Street Northwest at 64%. Again, 861 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,960 it's a decrease in the number of 862 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,640 violations significantly since the 863 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,760 program started. 864 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,280 Um, this has continued uh so again 55 55 865 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,240 excuse me 57% all the way down to uh 866 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:43,109 Woodland Drive at 24%. 867 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,800 One thing to call out is that violations 868 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,240 tend to ramp up through through the 869 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,160 week. Um kind kind of makes sense. You 870 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,920 know it's a Friday. Uh it's the highest 871 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,520 day people are trying to get back home 872 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,520 uh you know after after a work week. Um 873 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,880 so these are just some of those stats 874 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,750 there that I wanted to pull for you all. 875 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,359 Um, weekdays peak. This is looking at 876 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:02,880 kind of the the time for when we see the 877 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,800 violations. 878 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,240 Excuse me. Uh, weekdays tend to peak 879 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,319 around 4 p.m. which kind of makes sense. 880 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:09,839 You know, it's again the end end of that 881 00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:12,400 workday rush hour. Uh, people are trying 882 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,400 to make it home. Uh, and then weekends 883 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,640 tend to peak around 3 p.m. for for the 884 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,470 violations. 885 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,160 Um, so one thing I want to call out is 886 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,240 who is actually getting cited for these. 887 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,599 Um, so 98% of site citations go to 888 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,160 drivers from outside Forest Heights. Um, 889 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,560 just want to repeat that again. 98% of 890 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,319 the citations that are issued in Forest 891 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:35,680 Heights are not Forest Heights 892 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,440 residents. Um, they are they are 893 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,680 non-residents. Actually, Forest Heights 894 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,319 residents are receiving only 2.2% of the 895 00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:44,400 citations that are being issued um in 896 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,079 the municipality. That's around uh 1,00 897 00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,520 1,300 1,290 or so citations um that are 898 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,440 forest heist residents compared to 899 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,440 57,983 900 00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:02,950 citations non-residents. 901 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,319 Um, so if we're looking at the most 902 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:06,960 sighted drivers, uh, from nearby cities, 903 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,480 um, this is just a graph here to kind of 904 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,280 show you that, uh, Oxen Hill, Washington 905 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,319 DC, for Washington. Um, a lot of cut 906 00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:16,160 through, uh, a lot of people driving 907 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,880 through, um, and making up that, uh, 908 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,720 that high, you know, majority of 909 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,200 citations for forest sites. We can see 910 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,880 forest sites down here compared to some 911 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,240 of the rest of the, uh, the cited 912 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,800 drivers at 2.2%. 913 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,079 I'll leave this up here just for a 914 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:38,390 second so you can see. 915 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,560 Um so the resident share has held 916 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,440 between around five uh 0 to 5% across 917 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,000 the program. Um that's again kind of the the number of residents for four 918 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,829 sites that are actually uh receiving the violations. 919 00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:55,920 And it's the uh it's consistently below 920 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,800 10% uh at every single site. That's at 921 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,280 all all 11 locations where there are 922 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,119 cameras 923 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,680 uh for forest residents. 924 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:11,430 Again, below 10% for every every site. 925 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,160 And this is just the resident uh uh 926 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,670 share continued. 927 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,040 Now, uh one thing I want to call out is 928 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,119 that most tickets are coming from really 929 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,680 a small number of repeat offenders. Um, 930 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,119 so if you're looking at this here, 931 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:27,119 you'll see the number of of residents, 932 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:28,079 you'll see the number of of 933 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:31,119 non-residents. Uh, 975 934 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,200 uh resident repeat offender tickets. Um, 935 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,319 and then uh 17,741 936 00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:42,000 non-resident repeat uh tickets. 937 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,680 So, the top takeaway here really is that 938 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,520 plates uh with more than three tickets 939 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,160 are a small share of drivers uh but but 940 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,000 drive a disproportionate share of the 941 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,710 citations. 942 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,480 Um and again like I said like I said 943 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,000 most citations kind of track back to 944 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,480 that small group of repeat offenders. Um 945 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,119 you can see this broken down here uh 946 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,599 from the number of plates um the 947 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,200 citations issued as well as waved. Um 948 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,720 again that's kind of that that same idea 949 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,800 that it's it's really just a large 950 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,870 percentage is those repeat offenders. 951 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,240 Um, one thing I want to call is that we 952 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,640 wave repeat uh repeat tickets rather 953 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,920 than pile them on. That's one thing that 954 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,920 we do not do. We do not pile those on. 955 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,280 Um, you know, you'll get a second 956 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:33,680 violation within within those 13 days of a citation. Um, excuse me. We we we 957 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,359 wave the repeat tickets rather than pile 958 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,200 them on. a second violation within 14 959 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,319 days of a citation or a third uh within 960 00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:42,720 third three days um isn't cited giving 961 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:44,560 drivers that that really chance to kind 962 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,560 of change their behavior which again is 963 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,040 really the the goal of this program. 964 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,680 >> Mr. Seaman, repeat that definition of 965 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,920 what's waved and just say state kind of 966 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,880 slowly. 967 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,839 >> Yeah, sorry. Yeah. Um so we we we don't 968 00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:02,160 pile on the these these citations. So if 969 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,760 you get her citation, you won't get 970 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,640 another citation for another 14 days. 971 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,400 You know, our goal, like the chief said, 972 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,720 is not, you know, it's not moneyating. 973 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,079 It's really to to make sure that 974 00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:13,599 >> you'll have a chance to to come back and 975 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,400 say that. 976 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,839 >> Continue, Mr. Seaman. 977 00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:20,800 >> Okay. Um, so yeah, so wanted to to call 978 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,240 that out. So we don't we don't pile them 979 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,240 on. If you get a citation, you won't 980 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,800 receive another one for for 14 days. Um, 981 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,000 that that's kind of the goal to change 982 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,200 those that behavior there. 983 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,880 Um, and then lastly, just want to call 984 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,480 out that, you know, we we do community 985 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,079 engagement. We do have tech support. 986 00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,319 Anyone have has any questions. Uh, we do 987 00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:40,480 have support in English and Spanish. Um, 988 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,079 you can call us at any point in time for 989 00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:43,680 our our customer support. You can email 990 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,000 us at at any time. Um, and we can help 991 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,760 you with any questions, walk you through 992 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,359 payments. If you have questions about 993 00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:51,280 court, scheduling, contestation, 994 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,119 whatever it is, um, you can go ahead and give us a call. We're here to really 995 00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:00,319 try to try to make this a a smooth and seamless process. So, 996 00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:02,880 Okay, 997 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,960 on that last point, I need some 998 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,119 clarification. You don't get another 999 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,200 citation within 14 days if it's at the 1000 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,359 same intersection or just within the 1001 00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:13,839 system in four sites. 1002 00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:17,599 >> Uh that that should be within the the entire system within Forest Heights. 1003 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,800 Let me let me confirm with that with my colleague really quick though. Uh 1004 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,599 Wade, if if you had any second uh 1005 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:24,560 >> you guys hear me? 1006 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,839 >> Yeah, I know you're having some trouble. 1007 00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:26,560 There you go. 1008 00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,960 >> Can you hear me? Okay. Hi everyone. Um, 1009 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,359 so for the repeat offender, I do want to 1010 00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:34,079 correct it's 1011 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,119 10 days and then 3 days after that and 1012 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,680 it is for the whole Forest Heist system. 1013 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,400 So if you've gotten a violation in 1014 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:48,630 Forest Heights, then that begins. 1015 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,839 Did that answer the question? 1016 00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:53,760 >> I don't understand the second half. You 1017 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,359 said 10 days and then you said then 3 1018 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:56,560 days after that, 1019 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,880 >> right? So then it goes we we still give 1020 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,839 grace for every 3 days in the system as 1021 00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:09,190 well after that initial 10day. 1022 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,160 » It sounds like we'll need that uh policy 1023 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,000 somewhere we can read and review. And it 1024 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,920 doesn't make sense on the face of it uh 1025 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,359 to most of us in the room. 1026 00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:18,160 >> Okay. 1027 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,920 >> But let's get some more information on 1028 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,440 that to understand exactly how that 1029 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,319 works. 1030 00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:23,280 >> Sounds good. 1031 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,960 >> All right. I'm going to open it back to 1032 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,440 uh questions. We have Miss Mau before we 1033 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,000 went to the presentation. 1034 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,599 Um, 1035 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:37,109 did I say the right name? 1036 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,520 All right, I'll turn on my timer. Hi 1037 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,119 everyone. Good evening. My name is Tracy 1038 00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:42,800 Mau. I live here in Forest Heights and I 1039 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,400 serve on the beautifification committee. 1040 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,240 I share the town's goals of safer 1041 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,240 streets, which is exactly why I'm asking 1042 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,720 us to reconsider this program. Let's 1043 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:52,160 start with the number that the town gave 1044 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,040 us. 976 violations on one day at 1045 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,119 Livingston and Route 10. That's a 1046 00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,200 thousand drivers who are failing. These 1047 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,960 are not bad people. And I would like to 1048 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,960 also contest the data that they're 1049 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,960 presenting as those people who are 1050 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,400 coming here are not residents are people 1051 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,760 who are delivering our groceries, who 1052 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,280 are delivering our medicine, who are 1053 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,240 providing us needed services. So I don't 1054 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,319 want to punish them either. These are 1055 00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:16,800 the fact that there's so many violations 1056 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,800 means that this is an engineering 1057 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,680 problem, not a problem with the drivers. 1058 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,000 and also who pays. A flat fine is 1059 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,480 regressive by design. $40 is nothing to 1060 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,640 some households and a missed bill to 1061 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,359 others, cascading into late fees, court 1062 00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:34,079 costs, lost licenses for the neighbors 1063 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:35,920 who have the least cushion. That's not 1064 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,240 safety. That's tax for being poor. And 1065 00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,119 where does the money go? Obio. They only 1066 00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:43,520 profit if the violations continue. So 1067 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,000 what is their point of calibrating 1068 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,160 correctly or doing anything else to 1069 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,400 actually bring these violations down? I 1070 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,240 want to know what the I want the 1071 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,839 contract published so we can see how the 1072 00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:56,000 revenue is split and where this where 1073 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,880 our share is being spent. Privacy. These 1074 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,599 pylons record everyone who passes. The 1075 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,359 company's data centers are self-reported 1076 00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:05,440 and unodudited and the footage is owned 1077 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,359 by the town. So residents deserve to 1078 00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:09,680 know how long it's kept and who can 1079 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,160 access access it. I would also like to 1080 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,160 bring up another point. Let's not jump 1081 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,000 on this bandwagon just as the rest of 1082 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,760 the country is jumping off communities 1083 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,000 across the United States. Red, blue, 1084 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,000 big, and small are cancelling these 1085 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,920 surveillance contacts. Dozens of 1086 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,280 localities have pulled their cameras 1087 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,359 over exactly these concerns. Data shared 1088 00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:29,200 without consent. Footage sent to who 1089 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,359 knows where. Systems sent and grow into 1090 00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:33,839 something that residents never agree to. 1091 00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:36,640 I'd like clarifications on which signs 1092 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,559 are marked. Transparency where the data 1093 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,960 is being stored, publish the contract, 1094 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,640 and consider sliding scales or other 1095 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,000 ways for people to pay these fines. 1096 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,680 Thank you. 1097 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,760 >> Thank you, Miss Mo. 1098 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,119 Could I get someone to let me know the 1099 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:53,680 next name that's online? I see 1100 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,400 Mr. Hammet. Uh, I will begin your two 1101 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,119 minutes. Thank you. You can unmute. 1102 00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,839 >> Yes, sir. Good evening. Um, Marcus Ham, 1103 00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:04,160 Senica Drive. I'd like to know to her 1104 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,800 point, how much revenue has been 1105 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,359 generated thus far from these tickets, 1106 00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:12,160 and how is the town planning on spending 1107 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,750 that revenue? 1108 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,480 » I'll let uh Mr. Seaman or Mr. Borman 1109 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,000 answer in just a moment, but first I'll 1110 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,200 state that yes, the program does 1111 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,160 generate revenue. Um, however, the town 1112 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,920 does not budget for or rely on this 1113 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,160 revenue. And 1114 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,920 the way that the state law works is that 1115 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,480 it's designed to be used for pedestrian 1116 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,720 safety improvements. So, part of 1117 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,079 tonight's meeting and hopefully the 1118 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,480 continuing discussion around this is 1119 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,400 what are the needs that we have that can 1120 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,640 be addressed uh by the funds that are 1121 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,720 raised. And I've also heard uh in direct 1122 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,079 conversation with some individuals that 1123 00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,559 they think it's going to go like to to 1124 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:51,920 the police department, but this is 1125 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,880 specifically about on the ground like 1126 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,839 walking, crosswalks, signage, lighting. 1127 00:51:57,839 --> 00:51:59,599 Uh we're trying to see if it can be used 1128 00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,839 for sidewalks or curbway improvements, 1129 00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:03,280 things that residents have been asking 1130 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,800 for for a long time and that contribute 1131 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,480 directly to making the streets safer. Uh 1132 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,559 now I'll go to Mr. Seaman or Borman who 1133 00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:14,160 has to the to answer on the amount of 1134 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,559 revenue that's been generated so far 1135 00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:17,839 with the program. 1136 00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:21,520 >> Hi everybody. Um so the revenue number 1137 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:27,510 for the town has brought in $433,426 1138 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,640 and in the legislation it has to be put 1139 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,079 into public safety. So it's written into 1140 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,800 the legislation that all funds collected 1141 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,920 have to go back to public safety. So, 1142 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,880 like uh Mr. Jackson was saying, 1143 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,480 sidewalks, 1144 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,520 crosswalks, painting, speed bumps, 1145 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:53,270 things like that. 1146 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,319 » Okay, next question. Um, sir, you'll 1147 00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:57,520 have two minutes. 1148 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,680 >> I just have two quick statements. Uh, 1149 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,040 one, how much money was made by Avio in 1150 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,640 the past however months it's been 1151 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,960 running 1152 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,920 from our from our town? The violations 1153 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,040 in our town, 1154 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,800 >> Avio has made $44,54 1155 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,400 >> as pure profit. Correct. They just set 1156 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,400 up the systems and let them run. 1157 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,839 >> Uh, we have a lot of hardware to 1158 00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:21,680 maintain and software to maintain. 1159 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,040 >> And how often do you send your people 1160 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,079 out to recalibrate? You said every day. 1161 00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:28,400 We have software engineers checking 1162 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,680 daily and then hardware. But 1163 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,119 >> you have people on the ground here 1164 00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:33,040 actually physically checking the cameras 1165 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,240 that they're not moved that they're 1166 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,760 still marked because there's two cameras 1167 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,119 in our neighborhood that are not clearly 1168 00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:38,960 marked right now. 1169 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,640 >> What do you mean by marked? I'm sorry. 1170 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,480 >> As in there's a camera here. Please 1171 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,640 stop. As in it's not properly marked. 1172 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,400 And I the intersection I'm referring to 1173 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,160 is 210 in Livingston. 1174 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:48,480 >> Okay. 1175 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,119 >> Right where Henry's food is. Soul Food. 1176 00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,760 It is impossible to legally go north on 1177 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,760 210 now because of the 3-se secondond 1178 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,040 arrow and the stop sign and people line 1179 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,319 up there. And y'all don't know this 1180 00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:01,599 because y'all are a big company and 1181 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,359 y'all actually aren't here. But us who 1182 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:05,280 live here, 210 is impassible and has 1183 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,880 been made more dangerous because of the 1184 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,040 stop sign camera. If that first person 1185 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,800 is turning left, that second person 1186 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,240 needs to follow them in order to catch 1187 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,000 that light. If not, there's two 1188 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,280 different types of traffic coming 1189 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,720 towards them when they are trying to 1190 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:19,520 turn left into it. And if you stopped at 1191 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,200 that light, other cars behind you just 1192 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,559 go around you and run the light anyways 1193 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,079 and go in front of you. So you've 1194 00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:25,359 actually made the intersection more 1195 00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:32,230 dangerous. Thank you. 1196 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,000 » So we're we're happy to replace the sign 1197 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,920 if the sign's missing. As far as the 1198 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,440 traffic engineering of an intersection, 1199 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,040 I would have to defer to a traffic 1200 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,710 engineer. 1201 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,480 » Let's go to the next uh hand that's 1202 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,630 raised online. 1203 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,750 Uh, Miss Caress Mitchell. 1204 00:54:53,760 --> 00:55:00,230 » Hi, I'm Long. 1205 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,079 » We heard you for a moment now. I I can't 1206 00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:03,280 hear. I don't know if you went on mute. 1207 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:03,440 I 1208 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:04,960 >> I heard the council member. I didn't 1209 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,480 know if I needed to stop or not. 1210 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,480 >> Yes, you Yes, you can begin. 1211 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,520 >> Okay. Um my I'm a resident of Livingston 1212 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,559 on Ottawa Street for 15 years and I just 1213 00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,119 wanted to say my largest concern is that 1214 00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:19,359 I've seen people speed when we had speed 1215 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:22,079 bumps on speed humps and no speed humps 1216 00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:24,240 on Ottawa Street and nothing has changed 1217 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,480 in the past 15 years over the repeat 1218 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,240 offenders. But it feels like the 1219 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,880 residents who are trying to stop are 1220 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,880 being penalized if we have two stop 1221 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,960 signs on either side of our street to 1222 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,079 even go to work each day. My family has 1223 00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:41,359 received 50 tickets at 5903 Ottawa 1224 00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:43,760 Street since February. So, I would love 1225 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,559 to refute what they are saying about the 1226 00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,280 violations because I'm considering 1227 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,799 moving out of the neighborhood if I have 1228 00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:53,119 to spend $2,000 a year on parking 1229 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,200 tickets because my income will never 1230 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,200 reflect that if we keep having 1231 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,119 violations. And some of them are school 1232 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:00,799 buses. So, I would love to know if PG 1233 00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:02,400 County is paying for whether school 1234 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,079 buses are running stop signs or not as 1235 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,400 well because it feels like we are being 1236 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,319 penalized as residents more than anyone 1237 00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:09,839 else. And that's just going to keep 1238 00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:11,680 gatekeeping our community in a row, not 1239 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,359 allowing revenue to come into Forest 1240 00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:21,430 Heights. 1241 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,799 » Let's go to the Is there anyone else 1242 00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:25,440 inside the room who would like to ask a 1243 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:31,829 question? Let's go to the next 1244 00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:34,319 Uh, I see there's someone whose name is 1245 00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:36,480 Samsung online. I I don't know who whose 1246 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,720 name it is, but you can come offline and 1247 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,200 >> Hi, that's me. Can you hear me? 1248 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,400 >> Yes, we can. 1249 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,480 >> I'm Carolanne Prather. I live on Quaid 1250 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,440 Street 1251 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,760 >> right at the stop sign where the one 1252 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,440 camera is. Um, 1253 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,680 but my issue that I'm going to speak of 1254 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,000 is my husband had an idea where you're 1255 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,200 coming off of Comanche 1256 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,240 as well as off of Arapjo onto Livingston 1257 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,079 where it is difficult to get through 1258 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,119 that stop sign into the traffic or from 1259 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,760 Livingston where you can't even if you 1260 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,920 now that the bush has been or the tree 1261 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,640 has been trimmed, you still can't see 1262 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,119 far enough down once you stop at a full 1263 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:19,359 stop behind that white 1264 00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:21,280 to see traffic coming to get out into 1265 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,920 the road. Why don't we spend some of 1266 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,559 that money that we're getting from us 1267 00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:28,079 ticket 1268 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:31,440 ticketer people who put stop lights up 1269 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,000 traffic lights at those two places at 1270 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,319 Livingston and Arapjo and at Livingston 1271 00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:46,069 and Comanche. 1272 00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:47,839 Well, I guess we can look into that as 1273 00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:49,760 part of today's conversation. U, it's 1274 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,720 not something we had thought about 1275 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,960 before. We can look into it and we're 1276 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,480 trying to gather ideas and we'll be 1277 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,280 taking the feedback, discuss um any 1278 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,880 potential changes or modifications. 1279 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,040 Uh or just what we do next. Let's put it 1280 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,559 that way. We discuss what we do next 1281 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:05,839 after tonight. 1282 00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:07,760 >> There is a stop sign. I mean, there is a 1283 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,480 light, traffic light at Birwood and 1284 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,119 Livingston. 1285 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:14,880 We should have one. We should have those 1286 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,030 stop lightss. 1287 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,599 » Thank you. Uh I see council member 1288 00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:25,599 McDonald online with a comment. 1289 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,079 >> Yes. I just have one quick comment. 1290 00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,640 Thank you for um coming and sharing with 1291 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,079 us this information. and I represent 1292 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:35,839 Ward 1. And my question is 1293 00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:39,359 from a program perspective, what rate 1294 00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:42,160 determines success 1295 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,880 in in making the adjustments in terms of 1296 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:54,390 the cameras going away? 1297 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,680 It sounds like a question for the 1298 00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,240 council. Does does Avio have a 1299 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,319 percentage or is there a recommended 1300 00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:04,480 threshold where you know it seems like 1301 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,640 missions accomplished or where we 1302 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,040 consider temporarily decommissioning 1303 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,920 cameras or what like what maybe it's a 1304 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,680 question for the council and I think we 1305 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,680 can maybe talk about and discuss some 1306 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,720 benchmarks uh for success if safety is 1307 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,960 what we're aiming for. We know we won't 1308 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,079 get to 100%. 1309 00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:27,359 Mayor, I'm asking AIO from their 1310 00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:29,136 experience, 1311 00:59:29,136 --> 00:59:29,200 [clears throat] 1312 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,480 >> what has been the rate that determines 1313 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,240 the cameras being removed from areas 1314 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:41,119 where change behavior has taken place. 1315 00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:44,640 >> So, we don't have any set percentage. 1316 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,880 This is a pilot 1317 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,280 program in PG County. the legislation 1318 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,000 has that is a four-year pilot and we do 1319 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,960 send the county data every year and they 1320 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,640 will probably ultimately make that 1321 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,359 decision of what is an acceptable 1322 00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:02,559 is this program working or it's not. But 1323 01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:04,319 to uh the mayor's point, like I would 1324 01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:05,680 love to know what the council and mayor 1325 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,359 and what the residents would find maybe 1326 01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:10,240 an acceptable percentage like when we 1327 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,880 have found success. But all from our 1328 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,640 perspective, the the lower it gets the 1329 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,040 better. And if we're still seeing trends 1330 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:23,589 go down, they're still working. 1331 01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,480 » I see another hand up. Uh can someone 1332 01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,470 tell me that name? 1333 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,240 What's the first name? Oh, Levelin 1334 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,720 Hamlet. Hammet, excuse me. 1335 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,119 >> Hi. Um, so yeah, I am just curious about 1336 01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:42,400 uh what he said about the two things. 1337 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,680 One that the tickets we would have 1338 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:50,079 tickets um within uh either three or 10 1339 01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,160 day time frame. I have 25 tickets in 1340 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,920 front of me right now. Some are from the 1341 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,960 same day. Some are one I have one in 1342 01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,480 particular from 2:50 PM and one from 1343 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,880 12:54 the same day and I have them all 1344 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,799 in my hands right now looking at them 1345 01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:07,760 not the repeat notices but the actual 1346 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:08,799 tickets. 1347 01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:11,839 >> Um and so there's that and then I 1348 01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:14,240 appreciate what the lady said earlier 1349 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:15,520 about like what are we going to do about 1350 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,880 a payment plan because like what am I 1351 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,599 supposed to do like I got 25 tickets 1352 01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,839 right here. 1353 01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:25,680 So, for the first question, obviously 1354 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:26,960 that sounds like our mistake. If you 1355 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,720 could please give us a call at support 1356 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,160 or uh give Ricky or myself an email, we 1357 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,920 can help you sort that out. Uh it sounds 1358 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,359 like something went wrong. Obviously, 1359 01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:37,200 that's not something we're we're trying 1360 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,160 to have happen. And your second question 1361 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,359 is all citations, you know, you can 1362 01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:46,400 contest in court. A lot of times judges, 1363 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,119 you know, also don't like stacking 1364 01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:51,280 citations. So, uh, sometimes there's 1365 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,200 leniency and that's the best course of 1366 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:58,630 action for that kind of situation. 1367 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,799 » Could you give the the phone number so 1368 01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:03,280 those in the room and those online can 1369 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,400 have it? You might be getting a lot of 1370 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,160 calls tomorrow. 1371 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,839 >> Sure. One sec. I'll drop it in the uh 1372 01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:10,480 messages if that works. 1373 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:26,710 Just need a second to pull it up. 1374 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,440 and and so so that it's on recording as 1375 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,349 well. Supportsafer.com. 1376 01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:39,990 Phone number is 8556556621. 1377 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,280 I can repeat that because I know that 1378 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,440 was kind of fast. support at 1379 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,520 let'safer.com 1380 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:51,829 8556556621 1381 01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:56,480 and it's regular business hours um I 1382 01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:02,559 believe 8 8 to 4 or 9 to 9 to5. 1383 01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:05,040 All right, ladies and gentlemen, uh we 1384 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,319 do have another regularly scheduled 1385 01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:07,680 meeting that starts at 8 tonight, but I 1386 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,040 do want to thank everyone who's come in 1387 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,640 person and who's joined online for your 1388 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:15,270 questions, for your statements. 1389 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:16,799 So, 1390 01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:17,920 we are going to continue the 1391 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,599 conversation. We wanted to schedule 1392 01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,960 tonight's meeting because uh the time is 1393 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,240 of the essence and we wanted to start 1394 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,599 the conversation as soon as possible. 1395 01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:29,359 So, based on what I've heard tonight, 1396 01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:33,039 we have several questions before us. 1397 01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:35,119 One of them is, does the current 1398 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,359 enforcement policy reflect the town's 1399 01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:39,760 public safety goals? Another question 1400 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,240 is, are there policy adjustments that 1401 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,400 would improve public confidence while 1402 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,720 maintaining safety? 1403 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,240 And the last one, 1404 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,000 if I can if I can finish, I just want to 1405 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,280 make sure I summarize what we've talked 1406 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,559 about tonight. This is not the last 1407 01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:56,720 conversation. The last question, it 1408 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,119 sounds like I've heard uh is there's two 1409 01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:00,400 questions. What does success look like? 1410 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,359 And then two, under what circumstances 1411 01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:04,720 should the program continue, be 1412 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,680 modified, be paused, or conclude. Those 1413 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,119 are the questions before the community 1414 01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:11,200 and the council. Uh we'll be continuing 1415 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,359 the conversation about what the program 1416 01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:15,760 looks like next. And we thank you for 1417 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,200 coming out, voicing your honest 1418 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,839 feedback. We've uncovered that there are 1419 01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:22,240 some real issues and we want to address 1420 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,839 them and then we want to look at what we 1421 01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:27,680 do going forward. So, thank you. 1422 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:32,559 >> Um I'm sorry. Could someone send out the phone number? I wasn't able to write 1423 01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:34,319 it down. The phone number that he 1424 01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:38,309 mentioned. 1425 01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:39,680 » We need the phone number one more time 1426 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,640 if we could. If you could, uh, Mr. 1427 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:43,680 Borman. 1428 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,240 >> Sure. Of course. Uh, 1429 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,910 855 1430 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,829 655 1431 01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:55,359 66 1432 01:04:55,359 --> 01:05:08,470 21. 1433 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:09,680 All right, ladies and gentlemen, this 1434 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,039 concludes the uh stop sign community 1435 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,520 safety forum. We're going to close this 1436 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,440 meeting out and go to the next uh 1437 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:18,960 regular town meeting which starts at 1438 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,039 8:00 p.m. has a separate link. Thank you 1439 01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:23,280 for joining us tonight. 1440 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,599 >> Thank you everyone. 1441 01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:27,839 And so,