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I like to call this council committee meeting to order.

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Before we proceed, I want to acknowledge that the land

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upon. The story of the Adelante Ronc, the Hodenoshoni and

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the Anishnavi people. We are the beneficiaries of ancient agreements

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such as the dish with one spoon between the Anish

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Nabiya and the Hoden of Shoni, who agreed to share

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the abundance of the land through peace, friendship, and mutual

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respect. The two Ro Wampum, by which the Hoden -

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Nashoni welcomed the settlers and agreed to share the land

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in mutual respect. And the Treaty of Niagara, considered a

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fundamental document by First Nations in all future relations. And

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treaties with the British. We recognise that we have a

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responsibility to be stewards of the land in cooperation and

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collaboration with the Indigenous peoples, not only for one generation,

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but for all generations to come. We understand that we

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have an obligation to learn the lessons of our history,

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educate ourselves about the experiences of the indigenous people and

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seek opportunities to heal. The wounds that will result in

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reconciliation with our indigenous sisters and brothers. Many First Nations,

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Mehti and Inu people live and work in Fort Erie.

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We stand with all Indigenous people past and present in

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promoting the wise stewardship of the lands on which we

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live. We have the good fortune to live in a

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land of such abundance, diversity and beauty. Let us be

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vigilant in protecting turtle island. Mr. Clerk, the role call,

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please. You worship all members of Councillor President. Thank you.

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There is no, sorry, there isn't addendum this evening. It's

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with respect to report PBB - BBB - S12 -

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12026, which makes reference to. Be referenced to the Sunset

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Clause, which was previously provided by Wave Amendment at the

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last meeting? Correct your worship. I did circulate two councillors,

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the amendment that was approved at the Council meeting. So

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for clarification, we approved the amendment. We deferred the report

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as amended. Right. So the note on the agenda for

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that. And when we get to that in the agenda,

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when we're dealing with that, that will be apparent. Correct.

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Correct. Thank you. Just one announcement. I just wanted to

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mention that a number of councillors, including me and the

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CAO, will be travelling to Ottawa this year for the

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annual association municipalities of Ontario Conference. We have a number

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of delegations where we're meeting with ministers and parliamentary assistance.

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We're meeting with the Minister of Citizenship in Multiculturalism. The

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solicitor general, the Minister of Labour, and the Parliamentary Assistance

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for the Red Tape Reduction. Agency. Tourism and Culture, Infrastructure,

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Agriculture, and Natural Resources. I also received notice today that

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the mayors of the eight municipalities, which are not St.

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Catherine's NAGA Falls, Welled, or Lincoln, have been requested by

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the Minister of Municipal Affairs to meet with him at

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the conference to discuss the issues relative to governance in

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NAG or going forward. Those will include the appointment of

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the chair, the Strong Chair Powers, and the Voting or

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Weighted Voting. So that will be very interesting, and I'm

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very much looking forward to that. And we are in

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the process of arranging meetings with the Minister of Infrastructure

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with whom I had direct communications about two weeks ago,

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and the Minister of Health after AMO, which you will

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provide us with greater time to discuss with them the

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important dishes that we're dealing with. Okay, Declarations of Precoery

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Interest. Councillor Flag. Thank you, worship PBBS - 12 -

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120 - 26. I'm the applicant where former Business Partners.

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Any others. That takes us to notices of upcoming meetings,

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and there is an open house scheduled for August the

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18th. At 5 o'clock here in the Town Hall Atrium,

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and that is with respect to developing a Community Planning

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Permit System. And that will run, that's Tuesday, August 18th,

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5 until 7pm here in the Town Hall Atrium. There

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are no public meetings this evening. There is no consent

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agenda, so everything is to be contentious this evening. That

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takes us then to the first set of contentious issues,

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planning, building, and development services, council or Christensen. Thank you,

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your worship. This meeting of Planning Building by - law

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services is now in Session. We have a presentation tonight

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by Ms. Kimberlyn Smith with respect to the Draft Community

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Improvement Plan.

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So, my name is Kimberlyn Smith. I'm a junior Community

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Planner with the Town of Fort Erie. The purpose of

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today's Presentation is to provide an overview of the proposed

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Community Improvement Plan, including the changes from the town's existing

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CIPs, the proposed incentive programs, and funding approach. And the

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next steps towards finalising the plan. The CIP is established

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under Section 28 of the Planning Act, which provides municipalities

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with the authority to designate Community Improvement Project Areas. Adopt

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CIPs, and provide financial incentives. Relevant provisions of the Municipal

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Act includes sections 106, and 365. 1, which address municipal

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bonusing in Brownfield Tax Assistance. The CIP is also guided

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by the town's official plan, applicable secondary plans, and the

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climate change action plan. The proposed CIP brings the towns

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incentive programs into alignment with this legislative and policy framework.

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A Community Improvement Plan is both a planning and economic

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development tool. It allows municipalities to identify areas where improvements,

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rehabilitation, redevelopment, or revitalization are encouraged and to provide financial

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incentives to support those objectives. In 4DRI, the CIP is

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intended to encourage private sector investment, support revitalization of core

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areas, improve the built environment and public realm and encourage

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redevelopment and sustainable development. The main reason for undertaking this

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review was that the town currently has multiple community improvement

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plans that were prepared at different times and under previous

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planning frameworks. Since those plans were adopted, provincial planning policy

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has evolved. The town has adopted a new official plan

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in additional secondary plans have been completed. The proposed approach

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is to move toward one consolidated CIP framework that is

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easier to administer, more consistent across the town and aligned

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with the current official plan. Under the Planning Act, the

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town is required to identify the Community Improvement Project Areas

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where the CIP Programs will apply. The proposed framework identifies

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six core areas. Bridgeway, Bridgeburg, Stevensville, South, and River Walk,

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Gateway, and Crystal Beach. In addition to those six core

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areas, the proposed framework identifies a town - wide brownfield

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community improvement project area. The Core areas were selected based

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on their existing downtown and Main Street functions. Opportunities for

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revitalization and reinvestment, and alignment with the town's official plan

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and secondary plans. The side provides the proposed boundaries of

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the Community Improvement Project Areas. On the left, you can

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see the individual core area boundaries, and on the right

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is the broader brownfield project area. The Intention is to

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provide targeted incentives within the core areas while allowing the

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brownfield programs to apply more broadly to eligible properties within

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settlement areas. The first program is the commercial building improvement

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grant, which is intended to support improvements to existing commercial

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and mixed use buildings within core areas. Eligible improvements can

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include facade upgrades, windows, indoors, accessibility improvements, exterior lighting and

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signage, as well as other site improvements. The proposed funding

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is a matching grant of up to 50 percent of

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eligible costs to a maximum of 20, 000 dollars. The

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next program is the professional study grant, which is a

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new component of the proposed framework. The purpose is to

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help offset the cost of professional studies that may be

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required to advance redevelopment projects. The proposed eligible studies include

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feasibility studies, heritage impact assessments, servicing and infrastructure studies, accessibility

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assessments, archaeological assessments, and other studies as outlined in the

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program appendix. The proposed funding is a matching grant of

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up to 50 percent of eligible costs. The sustainability and

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climate improvement grant is another new component of the proposed

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framework. The program is intended to support improvements that enhance

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environmental performance and climate resilience. Eligible improvements can include insulation

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and building envelope upgrades. High efficiency H - vac systems,

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and heat pumps, solar panels, EV charging infrastructure, and green

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infrastructure. The proposed funding is a matching grant of up

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to 50 percent of eligible costs to a maximum of

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5, 000 dollars. Brownfield sites are properties where actual or

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potential environmental contamination may create barriers to redevelopment. The brownfield

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programs are intended to encourage the remediation and redevelopment of

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contaminated or potentially contaminated sites. There are three programs within

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the proposed brownfield framework. The first is the Environmental Site

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Assessment Grant Program, which helps offset the cost of environmental

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assessments. The second is the brownfield tax assistance program, which

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provides temporary municipal tax relief during remediation. And the third

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is the brown field rehabilitation grant, which provides an incentive

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based on the increase in municipal assessment following redevelopment. Collectively,

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these programs are intended to reduce some of the financial

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risk associated with brownfield redevelopment. Support environmental mediation, and help

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return underutilized properties to productive use. So this slide summarizes

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the main changes proposed through the updated CIP framework. The

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primary change is the consolidation of the town's existing course

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area CIPs into one coordinated framework, along with the addition

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of the gateway and crystal beach core areas. Two new

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grant programs are proposed to the professional study grant and

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the sustainability and climate improvement grant. The existing brownfield programs

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have been updated and incorporated into the framework. One thing

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to note is that the Brown Field Programs do have

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a different geographic application. From the core area programs. The

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Brownfield project area applies more broadly. To eligible properties within

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settlement areas. Whereas the other programs are focused on the

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designated core areas. The Brownfield Programs are currently included within

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the consolidated CIP, but they could be separated into a

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standalone brownfield CIP if council ultimately preferred that approach. The

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existing facade and signage programs have also been consolidated, and

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the administration and application processes have been standardized. Finally, the

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residential creation and intensification grant husband - removed from the

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current proposal. This was an existing program intended to encourage

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additional residential units within the core areas. The program was

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removed from the proposed framework to place greater emphasis on

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the town's Affordable Housing CIP. Stuff have since become aware

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that there may be desire to retain the program. And

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it can be incorporated back into the framework if council

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wishes. However, it is important to note that it cannot

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be used with the Affordable Housing Program. Overall, the proposed

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changes are intended to create a more coordinated and streamlined

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framework while supporting current planning, economic development, and climate objectives.

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The Draft CIP has gone through internal and external review,

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as well as public consultation. The Draft was circulated to

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the ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing and the Niagara

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region for review and comment. The ministry's comments focus primarily

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on legislative consistency, document organisation, administrative procedures, and the Brownfield

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framework. Staff reviewed those comments and incorporated revisions where appropriate,

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including strengthening the legislative references, clarifying the program framework and

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strengthening administration. Niagar Region's comments focus primarily on the Brownfield

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programs, including eligible costs. Administration of the tax increment grant

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and tax assistance program. Stacking and property tax requirements. Those

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comments were also reviewed and incorporated where appropriate. On the

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Public Consultation side, the town held a public open house

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on May 20th. I do want to clarify one item

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in the report. On page nine, the May 20th event

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is incorrectly described as a statutory public meeting. This was

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an error. The event was a public open house held

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as part of the CIP consultation process. Two members of

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the Public attended the Open House and expressed support for

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the Brownfield programs, particularly the environmental benefits, of remediating contaminated

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lands, and encouraging redevelopment within existing settlement areas. The Draft

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CIP and supporting materials were also made available on Let's

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Talk Fortiery. The page was posted on May 11, ahead

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of the Open House, and the Presentation was subsequently uploaded.

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The page has remained available for Public comments since then.

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As of today, the page has received 98 views, 82

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visits in 71 visitors. One written submission was also received

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by staff yesterday. Staff reviewed the comments and have provided

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a response to the applicable items. Overall, the comments received

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through the agency review and Public Consultation have been considered

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an incorporated into the revised draft where appropriate. From a

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financial perspective, the proposed CIP would initially be funded through

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the town's existing Community Improvement Plan Reserve, which currently has

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approximately 640... 646, 000 dollars available. Approximately one third of

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the existing reserve has also been designated to support CIP

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initiatives in crystal beach during the initial years of implementation.

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Based on the proposed program structure and anticipated grant levels,

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the existing reserve is expected to support the initial years

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of implementation. Importantly, adoption of the CIP does not commit

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the town to a fixed annual funding allocation, funding for

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the programs would remain subject to council approval through the

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annual budget process. Staff would report annually on program uptake

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funding committed and distributed program up and the remaining reserve

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balance. This would allow council to assess program performance and

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determine whether the existing funding level remains appropriate. Following today's

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presentation, Council is being asked to provide direction on the

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Draft CIP and the proposed Community Improvement Project Areas. The

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next step would be to bring the project area designation

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by - law forward to counsel on August 24th. Following

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that, the final CIP would be brought back to council

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on September 14th for consideration. The proposed CIP adoption bylaw

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would then come forward on September 28th. Following adoption, there

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would be the applicable 20 - day appeal period after

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which the town could proceed with implementation of the incentive

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programs. Staff will continue to refine the document based on

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council's direction before the final CIP is brought forward for

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adoption. That concludes my presentation. Thank you, Mr. Are there

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any questions. Councillor Noise. There you go, Council Christensen. Thank

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you for your presentation and all the work, the hard

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work that went into this. I'm just wanted to clarify.

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I know the answer, but I'm just going to ask

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it anyway. The 20, 000, which is 50 percent of

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the investment for the CIP program, then the 7500. For

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the study grant. And then the climate improvement for 5,

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000. These are all piggyback. They're not... It doesn't take

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up any of the 20, 000. So in other words,

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if they add an assault together, they'll have about 30.

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32, 502 to go for matching funds. Through you, Madam

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Chair, to Councillor Noise, that is correct. As long as

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they're not applying the same eligible cost. And if they,

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if I. Want more questions, if they do do the

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study grant and they take advantage of the 7005, but

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let's say they spend 1, 500... 15, 000 dollars on

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it. That doesn't mean on the grant says it's going

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to cost you 2 million to do it. They can

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then back out. They're not committed to following through if

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the cost or the improvement is more than what they

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can bear. Through you, Madam Chair, to Counciloids, that's correct.

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They're not committed. Thank you. Councillor Lewis. Thank you, Madam

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Chair, and thank you for your presentation tonight. A couple

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of questions. One being back to the crystal beach or

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the map, maybe where it shows a different area. First,

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let me start by saying crystal beach is very excited

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to be taking part in this program. But it looks

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to me that we're using the boundary map for the

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secondary plan entertainment district and not necessarily the BIA boundary

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maps. Do you know if those two were over late

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or ever considered or which were considering in this. Through

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you, Madam Chair, the Councillor Lewis, we considered the secondary

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plan. Secondary player. Okay, and that was my understanding. I'll

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bring this up later when we speak to the report,

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because I would like to talk about Rebstock Road South

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to Erie Road potentially being included. The other question I

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had was regarding the residential intensification grant. Crystal Beach has

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never had the opportunity to participate in that because we

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never had the CIP for the area. I know that

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it's something that council could add in if council so

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wish to make that still be available to the community.

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But I just want to make sure I heard correctly

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that if that were the case, it would not be

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able to compete. It would have to be either the

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CIP Affordable Housing or the CIP residential intensification if both

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were available. Is that correct? Through you, Madam Chair to

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Councillor Lewis, that is correct. Okay, I believe those are

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all of my questions for now. And if not, I'll

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raise my hand again, but thank you. DeWish? Thank you.

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Thank you very much for your presentation. I know that

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the work that you've put into this. I just want

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to be clear. The report suggests that this is our

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opportunity to provide guidance to staff as to the program

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that's being proposed, a joint CIP for all of the

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existing core area CIPs plus the Brownfield remediation. It's tonight.

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We need to give you guidance. I mean, we can

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make changes later on. But it would be helpful for

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you to have what our thinking is tonight. Yes. Okay.

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So I'm going to start with the basic question. If

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it's advisable to consolidate the CIPs, why do we still

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have, if we proceed with this, why will we still

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have a separate CIP out on its own? The Affordable

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Housing CIP. Through you, Madam Chair, to your worship, the

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direction at the time was because the Affordable Housing CIP

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was so new, newly adopted. We decided to leave that

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one out of this one rather than combining them. So

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how does that fit into your comment that the purpose

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of this report is to revive one uniform CIP framework

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in the town? Wouldn't it be advisable to consider adding

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the Affordable Housing CIP? And that will deal with an

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issue that Councillor Lewis just raised. About at least crystal

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beach area being able to somehow piggyback into this. I

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mean, they can do it now. But shouldn't we be

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having one overarching framework for all of these programs? Through

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you, Madam Chair, to your worship, we could definitely look

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at doing that. I don't know the answer to that.

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I'm asking you the one that's done the work on

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this. And it may be that there's a good reason

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why the Affordable Housing CIP would remain outside. I'm just

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asking the question based on the report and the comments

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that you've made. Um. And the slide that you showed

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with respect to key changes also made reference, I don't

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know if you can pull that up now. Yes. So

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made reference to rather than having different application processes, now

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the standard administration. So maybe all CIPs aren't created equal.

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And I would think that the core area considerations and

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criteria, well, I wouldn't think I know are different than

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Brownfield remediation. Which would be different than affordable housing. But

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I think the objective is, and you can correct me

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if I'm wrong, is to have a standard framework that

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staff can utilise and can cross - reference if necessary

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to the various types of objectives that are outlined in

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the program. Am I close? Through you, Madam Chair, to

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your worship, yes, I think it would be advisable to

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have a standard CIP. We could include the Affordable Housing,

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otherwise we could have affordable housing, the core areas, and

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then Brownfields on its own. If that were the direction

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that council wanted to go. So we can have three

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separate CIPs or we can have. One. That's one of

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the questions we have to determine. Yes. I know that,

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sorry. I know that you've received comments from the Ministry

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of Municipal Affairs and Housing and also the region. And

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I know that you sent some information to us, uh,

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maybe a copy of the letter from the ministry late

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today, which, um, I haven't had a chance to fully

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review. And I don't know if the other councillors have

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seen it or not yet. And I know that you've

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also responded to, um, faith Black here who sent, um,

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a lengthy critique of your work. Um, some of which

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I can imagine you would be easily able to respond

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to which you've done. Again, I haven't seen that either.

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The reason I raise that is because I think this

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is an important piece of work that you've been dealing

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with. And I think that when we get this, um,

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in place, we need to make sure that it's right.

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It's either, so I think we need to make the

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determination. And I, for one, would like an opportunity to

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be able to review all of the information that you've

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had. Which I think we now have. Just haven't had

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a chance to review it. Had a couple of other

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questions. For the various CIPs right now, are there different

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staff, um, review committees. So if it's a CIP dealing

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with the core area, if I might, Madam Chair, or

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it's a Brownfield remediation, are they different staff members that

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are sitting on the review committee. Through you, Madam Chair

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to your worship. Um, I'm currently reviewing all of the

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core areas, the brown field and affordable housing in collaboration

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with one other staff member. So an application comes in.

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Just so that I'm clearing what you've said. An application

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comes in. You are the person. With the assistance of

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one other individual. That is correct. So you're the standard

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framework? Yes. Okay. Well, it's good to know. What happens

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if something should happen to the standard framework than where

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are we. That's rhetorical. Um. If I might, Madam Chair,

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just a couple of other questions. So you mentioned that

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we're going to be utilising the existing 646, 000 dollars

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that we have in the core area CIP. We have

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an annual budget amount, I think, for that. That we

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allocate. Um, are we doing that now or is this

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a question that I should raise when we get to

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the report. Through you, Madam Chair, to your worship, I

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do not believe we are allocating annually right now because

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of the reserve. The brownfield remediation programs, they don't rely

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upon that fund of money. No, they do not. Okay.

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And then finally. In a couple of things. Finally a

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couple of things. So this is, I know my last,

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last, my last, last question. In the appendix, it's clear

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that there should be an agreement. So if someone is

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going to make an application and qualify for funding, they'll

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have to enter into an agreement with the municipalities, is

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that correct? That was correct. There's no circumstance where they

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will get money with out there being a written agreement.

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That is correct. Okay. And then finally, this is my

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file. In terms of payment, there's an indication that the

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town may require an affidavit indicating that payment to the

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subtrades has been made. We'll be not making payments accepting

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compliance, I presume with a construction lean act. Through you,

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Madam Chair Tier Worship. I don't believe that exact language

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is in there. It's not, but it should be. Okay.

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Okay. Thank you. Councillor Flag. Thank you, Chair. And thank

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you for your presentation. Not often after when I speak

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after the Mary still have something to ask. But I

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do, in fact, tonight. Oh, did I miss a question?

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Yeah. Well, I don't know. I'll let you know. It

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might not be a good question. When it comes to,

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um, matching grants with respect to, um, specifically the sustainability

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and climate improvement grant, will this be net of other

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grants that may be available through other government agencies? So

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for example, right now the home renovation savings program grant

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X number of dollars off of each window? Or will

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this be an addition to unpaeable on the gross amount

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of, um, of construction. Through you, Madam Chair, two councillor

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flag. I believe it would be on the gross amount.

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Um, I think there is language in the CIP that

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talks about if there are other grants provided by other

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organisations, but it's definitely something we can look into and

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clarify. Councillor Noise. Thank you, Councillor Costerson. Just based on

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some of the questions asked. In your report, you talked

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about that the government needs to identify Corey areas from

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the CIP, right? But yet we do have a townwide

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CIP for affordable housing. And for Brownfields, how does that

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fit together. Through you, Madam Chair to Councillor Noice. I

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would have to look into how the Affordable Housing CIP

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was drafted. I suspect there was probably a bylaw that,

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um, designates the entire town as a project area. But

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I don't know on hand. Basically does that. So I'm

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just wondering what you said, the government needs to identify

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core areas. Um, and going back to the mayor's question

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about affordable housing, um, and the resiliency. Can't remember the

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name of it. They revitavelment residential intensification grant. That hopefully

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we will be allowing that one to continue. I know

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I had to talk with Anamika earlier today about that.

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And the Brown says, I can see how, how I

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understand the need to have everything kind of like it

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captured in one, in one report. But at the same

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point, these two are quite different. Than some of the

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other things that you've talked about. But I can see

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them being, being separate for the affordable CIP and also

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the Brownfields being separate from the others because the funding

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sources are different than the amount of money that we've

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set aside for CIP. Through you, Madam Chair, to Councillor

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Noites, that is correct. Okay. Thank you. Are there any

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other questions. That being the case, thank you very much,

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Ms. Smith. And there are no other, uh, delegations or

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presentations. So we'll move on to reports. The first report

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under consideration is PBBS 12 - 1 - 2026 proposed

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official plan and zoning bylaw amendment, adendam recommendation report for

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19 Derby Road. Councillor Lewis has moved that report is

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now on the floor for questions and comments. Councillor Noyes.

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Thank you, Councillor Kristen. And I am going to be

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supporting this. I did also read the letter from the

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owner about his past practice and his desire to do

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affordable housing. And that's his intent and that has been

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his practice in the past. So I have a lot

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of confidence, even though we can't necessarily put his feet

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to the fire. He has a good history of doing

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this. So I'm going to support this because we do

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need affordable housing and we do need department buildings. Um,

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I am concerned that it doesn't fit with the secondary

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plan. It goes, it's not there. But at the same

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point, I think when the secondary plan was discussed, I

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don't think they were even considering Snack Townhouses as being

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part of the options because it wasn't at that time.

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So I am in support of this. And, um, I

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do think it's going to be, I think it's necessary

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to have those apartments. I'm also pleased with how much

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he has changed things based on Council's comments. Thank you.

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Your worship. Yeah. Thank you very much. I'm also going

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to support this. The letter that Mr. Bremner provided to

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us, which is part of our package, really outlines the

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essential reasons why this is a good project. I know

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that the neighbours aren't necessarily happy about having a three

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- story building in their neighbourhood. But the reality is

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a three - story building could be put on this

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parcel of land in the form of stacked townhouses, uh,

471
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:37,400
which is not a housing style that we necessarily need.

472
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,760
We certainly, I don't believe need more townhouses, although that's

473
00:44:40,941 --> 00:44:43,880
an arguable point. But what we definitely do need is

474
00:44:44,141 --> 00:44:47,974
apartment units. And we need rental apartment units. And we've

475
00:44:47,995 --> 00:44:52,934
had some tire kicking from some other developers. We've had

476
00:44:52,934 --> 00:44:58,374
some discussions about, you know, maybe utilising our affordable housing

477
00:44:58,475 --> 00:45:02,534
CIP, but we haven't had someone who's come forward who

478
00:45:02,534 --> 00:45:07,974
has local experience building these types of units and managing

479
00:45:08,014 --> 00:45:11,574
them. And Mr. Bremner has indicated that not only is

480
00:45:11,574 --> 00:45:14,054
he intent on building these, but it's his intention to

481
00:45:14,235 --> 00:45:17,732
continue to manage them. He also points out an interesting

482
00:45:17,833 --> 00:45:23,969
aspect of the rental housing that we require. When he

483
00:45:24,009 --> 00:45:27,169
makes reference to individuals and forderie who may move into

484
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:30,289
these units, if they own a home now, they'll be

485
00:45:30,289 --> 00:45:32,929
selling that home. And that means we'll have some housing

486
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:36,609
on the market that we don't currently have. And there

487
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:40,529
are many, many individuals in this community that want to

488
00:45:40,569 --> 00:45:44,129
stay in for degree, but they don't have the alternate

489
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:49,971
housing that will accommodate them. Being able to do that.

490
00:45:50,011 --> 00:45:54,691
And so they're in their homes, their overhaused. And that's

491
00:45:54,792 --> 00:45:59,411
housing that really could benefit a broader sector of our

492
00:45:59,451 --> 00:46:02,771
community. So I'm going to support this. I know that,

493
00:46:02,771 --> 00:46:08,360
um, it's not necessarily what the neighbours want. But the

494
00:46:08,381 --> 00:46:11,880
proponent has been very flexible as council noises pointed out.

495
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,720
He has responded to some of the changes that we

496
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,600
want. He has tried to follow the requests of staff

497
00:46:19,261 --> 00:46:24,520
going back sometime. And yes, an apartment building doesn't necessarily

498
00:46:24,701 --> 00:46:27,640
fit in with a secondary plan. But I'm advised that

499
00:46:27,661 --> 00:46:31,240
it fits in with our new official plan. And it's

500
00:46:31,581 --> 00:46:38,040
a better and more needed housing type right now in

501
00:46:38,061 --> 00:46:40,760
this part of town in any part of town than

502
00:46:41,021 --> 00:46:45,161
stack towel houses. So I'm going to support this. Thank

503
00:46:45,161 --> 00:46:48,841
you, your worship. Are there any other questions or comments.

504
00:46:53,956 --> 00:46:59,376
Oh. Okay. Councillor Mike Dermon. Yep. Yeah. I just wanted

505
00:46:59,397 --> 00:47:02,896
to just say that. I agree with every point that

506
00:47:02,896 --> 00:47:08,505
the mayor is made. And, um, you know, Mr. Burner's

507
00:47:08,505 --> 00:47:13,576
work in town is very well known. Right by fear,

508
00:47:13,677 --> 00:47:18,696
he redid the, um, when he street funeral. And it's

509
00:47:18,696 --> 00:47:24,696
a beautiful apartment there. So there's no, um, no deciding

510
00:47:24,736 --> 00:47:27,376
on the fact that it doesn't do quality work. He

511
00:47:27,376 --> 00:47:29,656
certainly does. And I think that this will be a

512
00:47:29,656 --> 00:47:37,161
welcoming addition to Derby. Thank you. Councillor Dumino.

513
00:47:39,984 --> 00:47:43,323
Yeah. Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Um, when this,

514
00:47:43,323 --> 00:47:47,323
uh, had come up originally, I had mentioned similar comments,

515
00:47:47,323 --> 00:47:50,123
um, the need for apartment rental units. And I was

516
00:47:50,163 --> 00:47:53,223
supportive of this. Although, um, I do want to, uh,

517
00:47:53,264 --> 00:47:56,363
extend my appreciation to those involved for getting clarification on

518
00:47:56,384 --> 00:48:02,283
the affordability aspect. That was good to see. The market

519
00:48:02,384 --> 00:48:05,723
is a bit challenging right now because, um, later on

520
00:48:05,744 --> 00:48:08,683
in the agenda tonight, you'll see that there was a,

521
00:48:08,683 --> 00:48:14,043
um, condominium type project, um, is requesting an extension. And,

522
00:48:14,043 --> 00:48:17,963
uh, anyone who's been following the news or following real

523
00:48:18,003 --> 00:48:21,243
estate trends, um, has seen that, you know, condo development

524
00:48:21,344 --> 00:48:24,886
has fallen flat. And, you know, this is an opportunity

525
00:48:25,067 --> 00:48:28,786
right now to, at least in my opinion anyway, um,

526
00:48:29,227 --> 00:48:33,206
really utilise some of the funding that's available out there

527
00:48:33,307 --> 00:48:38,126
for, um, uh, rental units, um, which have been, as

528
00:48:38,126 --> 00:48:41,926
the mayor said, um, big challenge in this community when

529
00:48:41,926 --> 00:48:43,926
I, when I first ran in 2018, it was, it

530
00:48:43,947 --> 00:48:46,406
was one of my, one of my concerns was that

531
00:48:46,747 --> 00:48:50,086
we didn't have sufficient rental stock in the community, which

532
00:48:50,086 --> 00:48:53,926
was forcing senior citizens to have to leave town to

533
00:48:53,926 --> 00:48:55,846
be able to get a rental unit because they were

534
00:48:56,027 --> 00:48:57,766
at a point in their lives where they couldn't maintain

535
00:48:57,806 --> 00:49:00,086
the yard and the driveway and everything else of a

536
00:49:00,086 --> 00:49:03,846
single family home. The mayor also, uh, raised a very,

537
00:49:03,867 --> 00:49:07,826
very important aspect, which is the upward mobility in the

538
00:49:07,826 --> 00:49:12,166
market. As someone, um, finds their situation changing instead of

539
00:49:12,206 --> 00:49:15,206
being, for lack of a better word, stuck in an

540
00:49:15,246 --> 00:49:19,046
unsuitable housing type, this will allow them to get something

541
00:49:19,067 --> 00:49:21,846
more suitable, which then opens up an opportunity for a

542
00:49:21,867 --> 00:49:26,646
family or someone else, uh, enter the market into a

543
00:49:26,686 --> 00:49:30,006
home that's not necessarily new residential construction with all the

544
00:49:30,187 --> 00:49:34,006
associated costs and everything surrounding that. So I'm, I can

545
00:49:34,006 --> 00:49:38,726
appreciate the concerns with the secondary plan, but, um, you

546
00:49:38,726 --> 00:49:41,206
know, as the mayor said, they could put stack townhoses

547
00:49:41,206 --> 00:49:43,926
on there. I think it is much better for the

548
00:49:43,947 --> 00:49:47,286
sake of the entire community to have a, uh, a

549
00:49:47,326 --> 00:49:49,366
rental building go on that property. And it's an individual

550
00:49:49,467 --> 00:49:52,726
who's familiar with the community who knows the community is

551
00:49:52,766 --> 00:49:54,806
councillor McDermott said has done some good work in the

552
00:49:54,907 --> 00:49:58,726
community before. And, um, you know, I'm tired of the

553
00:49:58,766 --> 00:50:00,806
tire kickers too. So I'm, I'm looking forward to seeing

554
00:50:00,827 --> 00:50:03,926
something actually, uh, materialize and to see us get some

555
00:50:03,966 --> 00:50:06,086
rental stock in this community. So thank you very much,

556
00:50:06,126 --> 00:50:13,021
Madam Chair. Councillor Lewis. Thank you, your worship. And thank

557
00:50:13,021 --> 00:50:15,581
you colleagues for your comments. I do agree with many

558
00:50:15,621 --> 00:50:19,501
of them. Um, certainly on this application, I'm intrigued by

559
00:50:19,522 --> 00:50:23,901
the Affordable Housing Component and know of the developers good

560
00:50:23,901 --> 00:50:25,741
work and the other parts of four area where he

561
00:50:25,741 --> 00:50:29,661
has done, um, what I'm going to be commendable work.

562
00:50:29,661 --> 00:50:33,661
And also his letter mentioning the CMHC Affordable Housing Component

563
00:50:33,762 --> 00:50:37,759
of it. Um, this is an interesting one because it

564
00:50:37,799 --> 00:50:41,039
checks mini boxes, um, for things that we're looking for

565
00:50:41,060 --> 00:50:43,419
in the Community, not just in 40er, but in the

566
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:48,210
crystal beach neighbourhood as well. As I mentioned before, that

567
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:51,810
neighbourhood, um, as locals, we'll call it the top of

568
00:50:51,810 --> 00:50:55,410
the hill. Does have a number of pre - approved

569
00:50:56,311 --> 00:51:00,530
apartment buildings that have been built. As I mentioned before,

570
00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:02,850
not to belabor it, we do have the crystal beach

571
00:51:02,951 --> 00:51:05,650
secondary plan that is two years in operation that was

572
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:10,130
built by the Community. I do understand that townhouses or

573
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:13,730
where we're identified for that area. Um, at the time

574
00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:18,370
we didn't know, um, anything about the term stack townhouses

575
00:51:18,471 --> 00:51:21,490
or that new type of housing that developers would move

576
00:51:21,591 --> 00:51:24,130
forward with. And I do agree that that would not

577
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:27,655
be in keeping with the neighbourhood as well. Um, that

578
00:51:27,676 --> 00:51:30,855
being said, and I'll be brief, even though I like

579
00:51:31,356 --> 00:51:34,615
many aspects of what this project speaks to in terms

580
00:51:34,615 --> 00:51:37,735
of the attainable and the rental units that the community

581
00:51:37,756 --> 00:51:41,335
needs, um, I am dealing with a community that is

582
00:51:41,375 --> 00:51:43,575
a bit frustrated by the fact that we went through

583
00:51:43,756 --> 00:51:47,895
a neighbourhood planning process to establish criteria that for whatever

584
00:51:47,996 --> 00:51:51,955
reason now does not fit on that property. So, um,

585
00:51:52,156 --> 00:51:55,975
even though there are aspects to the application that I

586
00:51:56,015 --> 00:51:58,855
am very supportive of and thank the developer for moving

587
00:51:58,876 --> 00:52:02,615
forward with, I am going to not support the application

588
00:52:02,636 --> 00:52:05,815
tonight and go with the recommendations that would have been

589
00:52:05,836 --> 00:52:12,141
following the secondary neighbourhood plan. Thank you. Councillinois. Thank you,

590
00:52:12,141 --> 00:52:14,701
Councillor Christensen. Um, just a question. I know in the,

591
00:52:14,741 --> 00:52:16,941
in the letter from, from the owner, he talked about

592
00:52:16,962 --> 00:52:19,101
that he would not be using these a short -

593
00:52:19,101 --> 00:52:21,981
term rentals. And I'm not sure if it falls within

594
00:52:21,981 --> 00:52:24,861
the boundaries of our short - term rental boundaries or

595
00:52:24,901 --> 00:52:29,181
not. I'm not sure. But regardless, can we put something,

596
00:52:29,181 --> 00:52:31,581
it doesn't. Okay, I'm just hearing Anamikas on my next

597
00:52:31,581 --> 00:52:33,181
question is, can we make sure it's in the site

598
00:52:33,221 --> 00:52:35,101
plan that's not short term rentals? But like I said,

599
00:52:35,141 --> 00:52:37,101
I don't need to because it's not within the boundaries.

600
00:52:37,101 --> 00:52:45,957
Thank you. Are there any other? Yeah, I just want

601
00:52:45,997 --> 00:52:48,677
to clarification. The last time we dealt with this, there

602
00:52:48,778 --> 00:52:51,637
was an amendment moved with respect to a five -

603
00:52:51,637 --> 00:52:55,672
year sunset clause. That, I believe, passed. I don't see

604
00:52:55,672 --> 00:53:01,068
it. Here. This is quite streamlined recommendations this evening. I

605
00:53:01,108 --> 00:53:02,988
would have thought it would have been better to have

606
00:53:03,169 --> 00:53:08,348
it as part of the amended report since it's already

607
00:53:08,689 --> 00:53:12,657
been approved. So can we not include that as part

608
00:53:12,657 --> 00:53:15,377
of the recommendation this evening so that it's crystal clear.

609
00:53:17,989 --> 00:53:26,341
In crystal beach. Madam Chance through you to his worship,

610
00:53:26,341 --> 00:53:29,894
yes, we can definitely include that as a recommendation. So

611
00:53:29,934 --> 00:53:32,214
that is there on record that this would, this would

612
00:53:32,254 --> 00:53:34,694
have a sunset clause for five years. Well, I'm thinking

613
00:53:34,734 --> 00:53:38,214
that when we pass this evening's recommendations that one of

614
00:53:38,214 --> 00:53:41,414
the paragraphs will be the sun set the five -

615
00:53:41,414 --> 00:53:44,774
year sunset clause, um, there was wording that was utilised

616
00:53:44,795 --> 00:53:47,574
last time. And I believe it should be dealt with

617
00:53:47,595 --> 00:53:51,546
tonight. That's, that's great. It was something about the approval

618
00:53:51,567 --> 00:53:58,423
of the site plan application. Yeah. Yes, please. Get through

619
00:53:58,423 --> 00:54:00,983
you, Chariot. And to clarify, we'll include the wording as

620
00:54:01,023 --> 00:54:04,263
part of the resolution and the vote will be carried

621
00:54:04,284 --> 00:54:08,103
as amended to reflect the amendment that was previously approved.

622
00:54:08,103 --> 00:54:10,983
The amendment, um, that will be adding is the last

623
00:54:11,004 --> 00:54:14,983
recommendation will be that the bylaw include a provision that

624
00:54:14,983 --> 00:54:17,863
the lands revert to the original zoning if site plan

625
00:54:17,884 --> 00:54:20,663
approval has not been issued within five years from the

626
00:54:20,844 --> 00:54:23,562
enactment of the bylaw. Okay. So that will be reflected

627
00:54:23,602 --> 00:54:30,952
in the minutes if this passes. Through you chair. That's

628
00:54:30,952 --> 00:54:36,918
correct. Thank you. Are there any other questions or comments?

629
00:54:36,918 --> 00:54:42,358
Um, I will say that I'm very impressed by this

630
00:54:42,398 --> 00:54:45,718
proposal for a number of NI. I share the concerns

631
00:54:45,758 --> 00:54:49,318
about the secondary plan. I was very, I've been very

632
00:54:49,339 --> 00:54:54,518
vocal about that. I do have, um, just a couple

633
00:54:54,518 --> 00:54:58,598
of comments about the point of order. You are the

634
00:54:58,779 --> 00:55:02,166
chair. Yes. If you want to make comments, you're supposed

635
00:55:02,166 --> 00:55:06,166
to give up the chair. Okay. Um, to somebody who

636
00:55:06,206 --> 00:55:12,457
hasn't spoken yet. Is everybody spoken? No, no, then Council

637
00:55:12,457 --> 00:55:15,097
McDermott. No, no, no, Council Market. You can hand it

638
00:55:15,097 --> 00:55:20,577
to him. If everybody else has spoken. All right. I

639
00:55:20,617 --> 00:55:24,417
just wanted to comment on the fact that, uh, not

640
00:55:24,438 --> 00:55:28,017
only are they rental units, but there is a distribution

641
00:55:28,118 --> 00:55:32,497
of one, two, and three bedroom units. The one bedroom

642
00:55:32,678 --> 00:55:37,377
is, and we know about the discussions of the 400

643
00:55:37,558 --> 00:55:41,277
square foot units that are so common in Toronto, uh,

644
00:55:41,398 --> 00:55:46,097
and other large municipalities and have in fact killed the

645
00:55:46,097 --> 00:55:48,817
concept of a condo market and have become short term

646
00:55:48,857 --> 00:55:56,017
rentals. Um, these are family units as well as generously

647
00:55:56,838 --> 00:56:00,732
size that would be attractive to people downsizing. Most people

648
00:56:00,753 --> 00:56:03,292
going from a three bedroom house will not go into

649
00:56:03,713 --> 00:56:08,721
400. Square feet. So I did want to point that

650
00:56:08,742 --> 00:56:13,441
out. And I also wanted to comment on the owner's

651
00:56:13,481 --> 00:56:16,481
letter, which to me, and I may have a bit

652
00:56:16,502 --> 00:56:21,601
of a bias, but once again, it indicates the absolute

653
00:56:22,902 --> 00:56:30,801
essential fact that affordable housing, truly affordable housing requires

654
00:56:32,742 --> 00:56:36,401
cooperation of the federal and provincial governments. And I would

655
00:56:36,401 --> 00:56:41,121
say beyond simply applying for grants, um, I think it

656
00:56:41,121 --> 00:56:43,521
really points out to the fact that with a willing

657
00:56:43,942 --> 00:56:50,029
owner developer. We still do not have a strategy. At

658
00:56:50,029 --> 00:56:53,709
the federal and provincial levels for this type of housing.

659
00:56:53,709 --> 00:56:57,229
And that's a problem. People like Mr. Bramner have to

660
00:56:57,250 --> 00:57:01,469
compete with others for money that should be virtually given

661
00:57:01,650 --> 00:57:06,658
as of right. Just wanted to make that comment. Any

662
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:11,062
further comments, questions on this. Now I'll call the boat

663
00:57:11,163 --> 00:57:21,101
almond paper. Posey penny. Carried. Thank you,

664
00:57:21,202 --> 00:57:25,741
Councillor McDermott. And just let me get back to my,

665
00:57:25,741 --> 00:57:33,181
um, agenda. So, uh, the next, um, report is PBBS

666
00:57:34,162 --> 00:57:39,181
- 38 - 2026. The Draft Community Improvement Plan and

667
00:57:39,181 --> 00:57:48,231
Designation of Community Improvement Project Areas. Move by Councillor McDermott.

668
00:57:48,231 --> 00:57:51,431
That report is now on the floor for comment and

669
00:57:51,612 --> 00:57:57,461
question. Yeah. A couple of questions. So in terms of

670
00:58:00,042 --> 00:58:02,661
the Correre CIPs, right now we're not putting more money

671
00:58:03,002 --> 00:58:08,901
in through our budget because we have adequate accumulated reserve.

672
00:58:08,901 --> 00:58:13,061
But what about, um, Brownfields? How are we managing that

673
00:58:13,162 --> 00:58:20,641
from a budget perspective. Um, Ms. Smith. Well, I don't

674
00:58:20,641 --> 00:58:23,681
know whether it might be the treasurer that can provide

675
00:58:23,782 --> 00:58:29,473
better information. Oh, okay. Mr. Jansen, can you speak to

676
00:58:29,473 --> 00:58:34,113
that? Sure, yes. Um, and, uh, I was a way

677
00:58:34,153 --> 00:58:36,593
at the time of this preparation. So Kimberlyn may have

678
00:58:36,633 --> 00:58:39,373
some more background than I do on this. But, uh,

679
00:58:39,574 --> 00:58:44,193
in the 2026 budget, we did approve just annual contributions

680
00:58:45,014 --> 00:58:48,593
only for the Affordable Housing CIB program of 200, 000

681
00:58:48,633 --> 00:58:54,913
dollars per year. Uh, current annual funding for those of

682
00:58:54,953 --> 00:58:56,833
the programs we've said in the report that we should

683
00:58:56,873 --> 00:59:00,193
be reviewing that, uh, this year and every year in

684
00:59:00,193 --> 00:59:03,993
terms of the sufficiency in annual usage of that. So

685
00:59:03,993 --> 00:59:06,913
that is, um, it's just with the dedicated with the

686
00:59:06,953 --> 00:59:16,631
Affordable Housing right now. Um, you know, I'm pondering

687
00:59:16,631 --> 00:59:19,991
that, I mean, the suggestion is we're going to be

688
00:59:20,012 --> 00:59:24,951
consolidating these programs, one of which is we have a

689
00:59:24,972 --> 00:59:28,951
large reserve, one of which we're allocating money on an

690
00:59:28,991 --> 00:59:33,485
annual basis. And one of which. Um, I guess we

691
00:59:33,485 --> 00:59:35,605
wait and see if something comes in. So how would

692
00:59:35,605 --> 00:59:40,645
we handle a brown field remediation application under this new

693
00:59:40,746 --> 00:59:45,097
framework. I don't know who can answer that. I'm not

694
00:59:45,137 --> 00:59:48,685
sure. Ms. Smith. Do you want to take a staff

695
00:59:48,786 --> 00:59:50,445
and then we'll see who else.

696
01:00:36,793 --> 01:00:39,172
With the treasurer and all that. The treasurer and all.

697
01:00:40,721 --> 01:00:47,346
The rehabilitation grant is funded. Yeah. I would have to

698
01:00:47,346 --> 01:00:50,386
come back to council with that because, um, we did

699
01:00:50,426 --> 01:00:53,906
make a few changes, um, to our funding with the

700
01:00:53,946 --> 01:00:59,186
2026 budget with some of the reserve contributions. And I

701
01:00:59,186 --> 01:01:02,226
don't believe we have anything dedicated at this point for

702
01:01:02,487 --> 01:01:07,586
Brownfield. It is just through that consolidated CIP reserve balances.

703
01:01:10,195 --> 01:01:13,614
Madam Chair, before I'm willing to move this forward to

704
01:01:13,654 --> 01:01:15,854
the next stage, which I think puts us on the

705
01:01:16,035 --> 01:01:21,374
tracks towards a destination, I'd like to get, um, that

706
01:01:21,475 --> 01:01:24,654
information from the treasurer, I'd also like an opportunity to

707
01:01:24,675 --> 01:01:28,014
review the information that Ms. Smith has passed onto us.

708
01:01:28,794 --> 01:01:31,333
I'm not going to move that we defer this until

709
01:01:32,554 --> 01:01:35,253
August the 24th until other councillors have a chance to

710
01:01:35,274 --> 01:01:40,053
speak. But I'm not really comfortable moving this forward without

711
01:01:40,154 --> 01:01:42,213
that additional information and a chance to think about this.

712
01:01:44,859 --> 01:01:49,061
Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. And, uh, I agree

713
01:01:49,101 --> 01:01:50,821
with some of the points. The mayor's made about the

714
01:01:50,861 --> 01:01:53,941
additional information. And I too haven't looked at everything that

715
01:01:53,981 --> 01:01:57,461
came through this evening. Um, I did want to throw

716
01:01:57,482 --> 01:02:00,341
out there two things that I'm interested to hear if

717
01:02:00,381 --> 01:02:06,821
what council's opinion is on keeping the residential intensification grant

718
01:02:07,482 --> 01:02:12,661
that was part of the previous CIPs in place for

719
01:02:12,701 --> 01:02:16,602
at least crystal beach. Potentially even for a period of

720
01:02:16,863 --> 01:02:19,082
time, like a shorter window even that I would be

721
01:02:19,263 --> 01:02:22,682
interested in, um, because I think that's part of the,

722
01:02:22,682 --> 01:02:25,162
what we've been trying to do in the downtown core

723
01:02:25,183 --> 01:02:28,842
and crystal beach is try and intensify the downtown core

724
01:02:28,882 --> 01:02:33,120
with people living above shops. Because we haven't had a

725
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,080
CIP in place for all the reasons that lead up

726
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,120
to why we haven't this understandable. But I would hate

727
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,240
to see that go out without there being some opportunity

728
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,640
for the community to be able to potentially benefit from

729
01:02:44,661 --> 01:02:50,676
that. The other is the inclusion of Rebstock Road south

730
01:02:50,716 --> 01:02:53,476
to Erie Road in the CIP, whether that be for

731
01:02:53,516 --> 01:02:56,676
the full period of time or for, like I said

732
01:02:56,676 --> 01:03:01,076
before with the residential intensification grant component, maybe a specific

733
01:03:01,097 --> 01:03:04,724
period of time. Mainly because that is a commercial core

734
01:03:04,745 --> 01:03:08,404
that does have a mixed use of, um, residential as

735
01:03:08,444 --> 01:03:12,004
well as commercial, but we do see, um, more commercial

736
01:03:12,105 --> 01:03:16,164
opening in that stretch. Um, with the, with the properties

737
01:03:16,204 --> 01:03:18,484
that I won't get into for the sake of time,

738
01:03:18,484 --> 01:03:21,444
but I just want to flag those two areas where

739
01:03:21,785 --> 01:03:23,924
I think we maybe we should have some discussion on

740
01:03:23,945 --> 01:03:28,225
adding those components to it. Um, and those were my

741
01:03:28,225 --> 01:03:31,425
only comments, um, and I do share the mayor's opinion

742
01:03:31,465 --> 01:03:32,785
that I think we should take a little bit more

743
01:03:32,886 --> 01:03:35,589
time to make sure we get this right. And also

744
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:37,749
not delay it to the point where people who have

745
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:41,109
been waiting for it, i. e. crystal beach forever that

746
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:43,669
they don't have a program. They can take advantage of,

747
01:03:43,669 --> 01:03:46,229
but certainly want to make sure that all those opportunities

748
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:48,949
that were there for other parts of town still exist

749
01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:55,669
for the one area in town that is our entertainment

750
01:03:55,850 --> 01:03:59,749
district, tourism district, um, that brings the most amount of

751
01:03:59,789 --> 01:04:04,229
tourists to the community. So thank you. Councillor Noyes. Thank

752
01:04:04,269 --> 01:04:07,029
you, Councillor Christensen. I'm going to ask that we do

753
01:04:07,210 --> 01:04:10,149
amend this, that we do not take out the residential

754
01:04:10,330 --> 01:04:16,411
intensive grant that it not be removed. That'd be remained

755
01:04:16,512 --> 01:04:20,652
in place with the understanding that it's either or. Either

756
01:04:20,692 --> 01:04:22,572
they take advantage of this one or they take advantage

757
01:04:22,593 --> 01:04:27,585
of their affordable housing. So you're proposing an amendment. Yes.

758
01:04:28,633 --> 01:04:32,049
Um. You worship your second eight? No, no, we don't

759
01:04:32,049 --> 01:04:34,129
need to second it. I want to speak to that.

760
01:04:34,129 --> 01:04:39,092
Okay. Um, I, well, I just wanted, did Councillinoise, did

761
01:04:39,092 --> 01:04:41,912
you have anything for the say? No, I think we've,

762
01:04:41,912 --> 01:04:45,352
we've talked about. I think it may neither or. Okay.

763
01:04:45,352 --> 01:04:48,632
All right. Your worship. So when that, um, when that

764
01:04:48,653 --> 01:04:53,752
grant was first brought forward, we were trying to get

765
01:04:53,933 --> 01:04:58,712
more rental accommodations within the downtown core areas to provide

766
01:04:58,733 --> 01:05:01,832
some vibrancy in those areas. And that was all well

767
01:05:01,832 --> 01:05:05,512
and good. The problem with it is that many of

768
01:05:05,512 --> 01:05:08,552
the units that were created were not affordable. There weren't

769
01:05:08,592 --> 01:05:11,672
close to affordable. And what we need is affordable housing

770
01:05:11,773 --> 01:05:16,712
units. So my concern is that we continue to fund

771
01:05:17,133 --> 01:05:20,072
something that's not what we really need, what we really

772
01:05:20,072 --> 01:05:22,792
need is affordable. I don't know whether that means that

773
01:05:22,832 --> 01:05:27,352
we should be looking at the definition of affordable in

774
01:05:27,352 --> 01:05:29,832
our affordable housing CIP. That's an issue that was raised

775
01:05:29,933 --> 01:05:34,072
by Mr. Bremner in discussing with us the challenges that

776
01:05:34,112 --> 01:05:37,112
he's faced with. If he's faced with that, everybody else

777
01:05:37,373 --> 01:05:45,021
is. I think our objective should be intensification for affordable,

778
01:05:45,021 --> 01:05:48,361
or at least attainable units or something other than, you

779
01:05:48,361 --> 01:05:52,381
know, an extravagant apartment unit that we're helping to subsidize

780
01:05:52,962 --> 01:05:56,061
to be built, which really doesn't hit the market that

781
01:05:56,101 --> 01:05:58,781
we're trying to help, which is those who need the

782
01:05:58,802 --> 01:06:02,621
accommodations. So I can support this if there were some

783
01:06:02,661 --> 01:06:06,141
qualifications. I can't support it without. And I think the

784
01:06:06,162 --> 01:06:11,021
qualifications ought to be tied in with a definition. Maybe

785
01:06:11,021 --> 01:06:16,061
not strictly affordable, maybe not even CMH C affordable because

786
01:06:16,162 --> 01:06:20,221
additional rental units certainly will help. But something that is

787
01:06:20,242 --> 01:06:24,941
maybe within attainable, or maybe it's a CMHC definition. So

788
01:06:26,162 --> 01:06:32,541
I can support, um, in principle without being tied to

789
01:06:32,562 --> 01:06:37,161
it in the final analysis or, as some of you

790
01:06:37,161 --> 01:06:39,341
might say, I can suck and blow at the same

791
01:06:39,341 --> 01:06:45,978
time. So I'm sympathetic. Some might say that, yeah. I

792
01:06:45,978 --> 01:06:49,058
think the guy on my right. So I can support

793
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:52,658
it, but not unless we've got some parameters that are

794
01:06:52,999 --> 01:07:00,613
tighter than just intensification grant as it currently exists. Councillor

795
01:07:00,714 --> 01:07:05,343
Dubineau. Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I'm of a

796
01:07:05,343 --> 01:07:09,343
similar school of thought to the mayor. And he raised

797
01:07:09,383 --> 01:07:13,023
a good point about affordable, which, you know, there's so

798
01:07:13,023 --> 01:07:15,903
many definitions of affordable. There's rank gear to income. There's

799
01:07:16,244 --> 01:07:21,023
CMH C affordable. Um, we're seeing now the phrase attainable,

800
01:07:21,023 --> 01:07:25,663
which doesn't necessarily meet the definition quote unquote of affordable,

801
01:07:25,663 --> 01:07:28,383
but is still very reasonable compared to market rent that

802
01:07:28,383 --> 01:07:32,143
we see today. So the moving pieces and moving targets

803
01:07:32,143 --> 01:07:34,463
to this that I do think we need to look

804
01:07:34,484 --> 01:07:39,743
at. I agree that, um, we shouldn't be subsidizing and

805
01:07:39,764 --> 01:07:43,883
providing, you know, taxpayer dollars to units that are, you

806
01:07:43,883 --> 01:07:46,783
know, luxury, for lack of a better word that people

807
01:07:46,884 --> 01:07:50,783
could, uh, who would purchase them could afford or to

808
01:07:50,823 --> 01:07:53,663
subsidize them to make a unit luxury that should otherwise

809
01:07:53,703 --> 01:07:59,103
be affordable. I think, um, I'm, I'm, I'm generally supportive

810
01:07:59,143 --> 01:08:01,023
of this, but I think I get the feeling that

811
01:08:01,044 --> 01:08:04,783
there'll be a postponement put on the floor to move

812
01:08:04,804 --> 01:08:09,903
this till, uh, August 24th. I don't know if, if

813
01:08:10,004 --> 01:08:12,623
councillor noise is agreeable to waiting until we get some

814
01:08:12,644 --> 01:08:16,383
analysis and some information back from staff, um, to August

815
01:08:16,644 --> 01:08:19,663
24th. Maybe it might be a better time to move

816
01:08:19,703 --> 01:08:22,303
that at, you know, at that time, depending on the

817
01:08:22,324 --> 01:08:25,503
information we get back, um, that's my thought on that.

818
01:08:25,503 --> 01:08:27,663
Maybe we want to wait until staff give us some

819
01:08:27,663 --> 01:08:29,983
information and some thoughts on the comment tonight before we

820
01:08:30,023 --> 01:08:35,091
move them, uh, an amendment like that. And I hear

821
01:08:35,131 --> 01:08:37,731
everyone and I tend to agree to, to a certain

822
01:08:38,152 --> 01:08:40,771
extent. I know that I sit on the non -

823
01:08:40,771 --> 01:08:43,491
for - profit housing. We have two apartment buildings and

824
01:08:43,491 --> 01:08:47,411
we have two things. We have, um, year to income

825
01:08:47,592 --> 01:08:50,211
and we have market rent. And I'm saying the market

826
01:08:50,552 --> 01:08:53,891
rant that people pay in those apartments are considerably less

827
01:08:54,872 --> 01:08:58,451
than what the market rent would be for all of

828
01:08:58,451 --> 01:09:01,171
Fort Erie. So maybe there's some litmus test or whatever

829
01:09:01,272 --> 01:09:03,731
we can maybe tie it to something like what the

830
01:09:03,771 --> 01:09:06,531
region does in regards to market rant. And they have

831
01:09:06,531 --> 01:09:09,171
everything from one bedroom, two bedroom, three bedroom, whatever. And

832
01:09:09,592 --> 01:09:16,371
it's considerably less than, um, than what, if I was

833
01:09:16,371 --> 01:09:19,491
renting an albony place or someplace, considerably less than that.

834
01:09:19,491 --> 01:09:24,371
Actually, I think it's about 875 dollars. So maybe tying

835
01:09:24,371 --> 01:09:26,851
it to something like that. Um, would make sense. I

836
01:09:26,851 --> 01:09:31,011
don't know exactly where the cutoff is for affordability. What

837
01:09:31,011 --> 01:09:34,291
dollars amount we're looking at with the range for affordability

838
01:09:34,312 --> 01:09:41,076
would be. So I'm happy to. Pull my amendment back,

839
01:09:41,076 --> 01:09:43,316
um, and have some time for snap to come up

840
01:09:43,316 --> 01:09:47,866
with some suggestions. But I don't want anything extravagant. But

841
01:09:47,866 --> 01:09:52,746
again, they're only going to be allowed 20, 000 or

842
01:09:52,746 --> 01:10:01,304
four. 5, 004. Yeah. 20, 000 maximum anyway. So. You

843
01:10:01,565 --> 01:10:07,944
had indicated that you were prepared to defer until. Right.

844
01:10:08,765 --> 01:10:11,384
If everybody's finished commenting because I want to make sure

845
01:10:11,384 --> 01:10:14,011
that, uh, Ms. Smith has. Want to make sure Ms

846
01:10:14,032 --> 01:10:17,371
Smith has adequate feedback from us so that she gets

847
01:10:17,552 --> 01:10:20,491
some direction, um, so yeah, I would, I would like

848
01:10:20,491 --> 01:10:23,291
to move that we defer this consideration of this report

849
01:10:23,392 --> 01:10:29,743
to the Council meeting schedule for August the 24th. Thank

850
01:10:29,743 --> 01:10:37,416
you. The next report. We have to vote on that.

851
01:10:37,416 --> 01:10:40,001
Oh, we have to vote on that. Okay. Sorry. Yes.

852
01:10:40,102 --> 01:10:46,216
Um, all those in favor of deferring. All those posed.

853
01:10:47,821 --> 01:10:53,443
That motion carries. Um, so our next report is PBBS

854
01:10:53,944 --> 01:10:57,763
39 - 2026. This is the extension of the draft

855
01:10:57,944 --> 01:11:01,203
plan approval of subdivision and draft plan of condominium approval

856
01:11:01,864 --> 01:11:08,163
recommendation report for 3303 Dominion Road. Can I get councillor

857
01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:12,563
Dubino that report is now on the floor for questions

858
01:11:12,744 --> 01:11:21,599
and comments. Councillor Duvenau. Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

859
01:11:21,599 --> 01:11:27,119
Um, just wondering if staff perhaps, um, want to offer

860
01:11:27,140 --> 01:11:29,519
up some comment on this. It is a three year

861
01:11:29,519 --> 01:11:33,039
extension, um, but I had made some comments earlier about,

862
01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:36,059
uh, the, the condo market and how that shifted. And

863
01:11:36,059 --> 01:11:39,279
I'm just wondering if, um, the developer is given any

864
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:43,439
indication that, um, they still want to move forward. They're

865
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,799
just waiting for better timing or has there been no

866
01:11:46,820 --> 01:11:50,559
communication? I'm just trying to get, uh, feel for this

867
01:11:50,660 --> 01:11:52,879
because I don't like kicking the can down the road,

868
01:11:52,879 --> 01:11:54,639
but at the same time I understand there's a practical

869
01:11:54,740 --> 01:11:58,639
reality that everyone has to face when market forces don't

870
01:11:58,679 --> 01:12:01,759
go the way they intend. And, uh, I think everyone

871
01:12:01,799 --> 01:12:03,599
should be offered an opportunity to wait for them to

872
01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:05,999
improve. So I'm just wondering if maybe staff have some

873
01:12:05,999 --> 01:12:10,799
thoughts. Madam Shed through you to the councillor, um, it's

874
01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:15,519
my understanding speaking with staff that the applicant is committed

875
01:12:15,559 --> 01:12:18,479
to moving forward, but it's just that the market situation

876
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:20,879
is not good. And that is a reason they have

877
01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:30,029
requested an extension. Um, your worship. You're finished? Um, well,

878
01:12:30,029 --> 01:12:32,109
so I did ask some information about this because we

879
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:36,269
didn't have an indication of where the developer is in

880
01:12:36,309 --> 01:12:39,149
connection with what steps they had been taking since this

881
01:12:39,149 --> 01:12:46,691
was approved. Three years ago. And, um. You know, they

882
01:12:46,712 --> 01:12:50,931
submitted some, um, information about a little over 18 months

883
01:12:50,931 --> 01:12:53,891
ago. They received a response from the town staff in

884
01:12:53,912 --> 01:12:59,091
February of 2025. Nothing has happened since February of 2025.

885
01:12:59,091 --> 01:13:01,011
So that's a year and a half that's gone by.

886
01:13:01,112 --> 01:13:04,211
I get it. Uh, they're in, they're concerned about the

887
01:13:04,251 --> 01:13:07,392
market. I follow that. But the information we did receive

888
01:13:07,432 --> 01:13:13,152
from staff indicates that of the 35 subdivision conditions, three

889
01:13:13,152 --> 01:13:16,832
have been cleared ate, they're working on, which means there's

890
01:13:17,013 --> 01:13:23,186
24 still to go. The condominium, uh, application, the conditions,

891
01:13:24,167 --> 01:13:27,824
none have been cleared. Five, they're working on. And that

892
01:13:27,824 --> 01:13:31,664
means there's seven that still need to be addressed. So

893
01:13:32,645 --> 01:13:38,521
out of 47, 31 haven't really moved at all. The

894
01:13:38,622 --> 01:13:44,521
letter from the, um, planning consultant of the developer indicates

895
01:13:44,521 --> 01:13:49,321
that they're actively engaged in trying to address these conditions.

896
01:13:49,321 --> 01:13:53,001
Well, they're not actively engaged in trying to meet these

897
01:13:53,022 --> 01:13:58,452
conditions if what we're told by staff is accurate. I'm

898
01:13:58,492 --> 01:14:01,892
not really inclined to agree to a three - year

899
01:14:01,892 --> 01:14:03,976
extension. I'm not even sure I want to go along

900
01:14:04,016 --> 01:14:09,496
with two years, but the market is a reality. And,

901
01:14:09,496 --> 01:14:13,736
um, I'd be prepared to extend this for two years,

902
01:14:13,736 --> 01:14:16,696
but not beyond two years. And then if they've made

903
01:14:16,736 --> 01:14:19,656
some headway over that two year period, great. Then we

904
01:14:19,656 --> 01:14:23,016
can consider where they are. But right now they're in

905
01:14:23,016 --> 01:14:25,798
a holding pattern. And we're under a lot of pressure

906
01:14:25,819 --> 01:14:28,918
from the provincial government through a whole bunch of rules

907
01:14:29,179 --> 01:14:33,423
to try to get new housing units built. This isn't

908
01:14:33,463 --> 01:14:37,850
helping. And, you know, this could be another couple of

909
01:14:37,850 --> 01:14:40,490
years before we see anything on this site. Hopefully we

910
01:14:40,490 --> 01:14:46,496
will. I'm, um, I have no reason to doubt that

911
01:14:46,597 --> 01:14:50,096
the developer eventually wants to proceed, but we need housing.

912
01:14:50,096 --> 01:14:53,536
And we need, we need units now rather than later.

913
01:14:53,536 --> 01:14:56,736
So Madam Chair, I'm going to remove that we amend

914
01:14:56,776 --> 01:14:59,456
the report to save a two year extension as opposed

915
01:14:59,456 --> 01:15:04,778
to a three year extension. Are there any comments. Councillor

916
01:15:04,818 --> 01:15:08,779
Dubino. Yeah. Just, just for the sake of the record,

917
01:15:08,779 --> 01:15:12,779
the applicant will, and staff can clarify this, if the

918
01:15:12,819 --> 01:15:15,579
applicant does move forward and show some progress, they will

919
01:15:15,579 --> 01:15:18,539
have the opportunity to come back to council. Um, because

920
01:15:18,579 --> 01:15:21,579
I sympathize with the reality of the market right now.

921
01:15:21,579 --> 01:15:24,199
The floor has fallen out of the condo market. But

922
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:27,299
I completely understand where the mayor is coming from. We

923
01:15:27,299 --> 01:15:29,499
are under a lot of pressure from Queen's Park to

924
01:15:29,499 --> 01:15:33,019
get things moving forward. And, um, I think this allows

925
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,739
us the ability to have some eyes on it to

926
01:15:35,739 --> 01:15:37,719
move forward. So I'm just wondering if staff can, uh,

927
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,439
just put that on the record. We'll be good. Um,

928
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,499
to have something come back if they request another extension

929
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:53,386
in two years. If there's progress. Thank you, Councillor Kristen.

930
01:15:53,426 --> 01:15:55,466
Is there any way that, and I'm in full support

931
01:15:55,506 --> 01:15:59,146
of the mayor's suggestion. Is there any way that we

932
01:15:59,146 --> 01:16:02,986
can also add to that some targeted conditions that be

933
01:16:03,026 --> 01:16:05,786
approved of whether it's, okay, right now it's like maybe

934
01:16:06,047 --> 01:16:09,106
a quarter. And that's a, you know, we want to

935
01:16:09,106 --> 01:16:13,330
see progress every year to a certain extent. Like. 10,

936
01:16:13,330 --> 01:16:16,050
you know, like some, some numbers so that we're not

937
01:16:16,090 --> 01:16:18,610
right back here on the same place with the conditions,

938
01:16:18,610 --> 01:16:20,290
not me being met, that they have to basically put

939
01:16:20,391 --> 01:16:27,650
some, um, some substantial movement forward within those two years.

940
01:16:30,693 --> 01:16:35,072
So in response to that, ideally in two years, they

941
01:16:35,093 --> 01:16:37,352
will have met all these conditions. I don't want to

942
01:16:37,352 --> 01:16:41,312
be setting a bar for them which they can limp

943
01:16:41,352 --> 01:16:43,832
to and then say, okay, we made it. Give us

944
01:16:43,832 --> 01:16:46,990
another two years. I think the proof will be in

945
01:16:46,990 --> 01:16:50,190
the pudding. If they've made progress, uh, that's, that's one

946
01:16:50,190 --> 01:16:53,930
thing. But if we get another report that says, you

947
01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:58,430
know, there's still miles away. It tends to indicate that,

948
01:16:58,430 --> 01:17:00,510
okay, we're in a holding pattern. This is a piece

949
01:17:00,550 --> 01:17:03,950
of property that's not being developed and nothing can be

950
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:07,870
done with it because we keep extending the time for

951
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:10,670
them to meet the approval. So I think we just

952
01:17:10,670 --> 01:17:14,008
say, you know what two years. Come back to us

953
01:17:14,509 --> 01:17:16,168
if there's progress. We're not going to cut you off

954
01:17:16,269 --> 01:17:18,968
at the knees or whoever's here isn't like you're going

955
01:17:18,968 --> 01:17:20,248
to cut you off at the knees. But we need

956
01:17:20,288 --> 01:17:24,008
to see something more than just, you know, we're, we're,

957
01:17:24,008 --> 01:17:29,415
we're, we're working at it. So are there any no

958
01:17:29,415 --> 01:17:33,895
other comments? So I'll call the amendment all those in

959
01:17:33,935 --> 01:17:40,408
favor. Opposed. That amendment carries.

960
01:17:44,277 --> 01:17:47,856
We'll now call the report as amended. All those in

961
01:17:47,896 --> 01:17:56,572
favor. Opposed. That also is carried. Um, the final report

962
01:17:56,753 --> 01:18:02,332
this evening is PBBS 40 - 206, a part name

963
01:18:02,353 --> 01:18:11,763
proposal for 3440 Thunder Bay. So moved. Yes, your

964
01:18:11,763 --> 01:18:19,812
worship. This is, um. I think this is an excellent

965
01:18:20,233 --> 01:18:23,172
result. And I know that the author of the Report

966
01:18:24,233 --> 01:18:29,252
has misgivings. And, um, I've never read a report that

967
01:18:29,273 --> 01:18:31,332
goes around and around and around and comes to some

968
01:18:31,372 --> 01:18:36,266
place where the report wouldn't suggest it's going. But to

969
01:18:36,306 --> 01:18:39,866
name this park after Earl Plato doesn't really detract from

970
01:18:41,647 --> 01:18:44,826
the idea that there's an area in town called Thunder

971
01:18:44,847 --> 01:18:49,952
Bay. And that if we don't call this part Thunder

972
01:18:49,992 --> 01:18:53,676
Bay Park, somehow that's going to be lost. If you

973
01:18:53,697 --> 01:18:58,636
ask anybody where the Thunder Bay Golf Course was, they

974
01:18:58,676 --> 01:19:01,823
would have told you Ridgway. If you ask where Ridgway

975
01:19:01,844 --> 01:19:04,223
Shore's Golf Course was, they would have told you Ridgway.

976
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,298
If they ask you, if you're from Ridgway and they

977
01:19:08,298 --> 01:19:11,338
say, is that Thunder Bay, they will tell you, no,

978
01:19:11,338 --> 01:19:13,738
that's not Thunder Bay. That's Ridgway. Thunder Bay starts at

979
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:20,779
Maple Leaf or Pleasant Avenue and goes east. So I'm

980
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,939
thinking that the name Thunder Bay, the geographic location Thunder

981
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,179
Bay is not going to be lost because we call

982
01:19:27,219 --> 01:19:30,219
this Earl Plato Park. And I think it's a tremendous

983
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,819
tribute to an individual who spent a lot of time

984
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:38,139
educating, not just children, but because he was an educator,

985
01:19:38,139 --> 01:19:41,979
but also the public at large in generations of a

986
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,659
naturalist and environmentalist. And, you know, when you think of

987
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,739
individuals who had an impact on the education of the

988
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:57,739
population about our natural environment, you think Burt Miller, Plato.

989
01:19:57,739 --> 01:20:01,659
So I think this is a fitting tribute. And I'm

990
01:20:01,699 --> 01:20:05,499
pleased to see that the recommendation is coming forward in

991
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,139
this regard. And I hope the Council will support this.

992
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,419
Also a support, a review of the terms of the

993
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,699
part naming policy, um, if that's necessary, I think that

994
01:20:14,739 --> 01:20:17,579
could be updated. So I'm, if you haven't guessed, I'm

995
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:25,032
supportive of this. Are there any other comments, questions. I'll

996
01:20:25,072 --> 01:20:28,712
just jump in very briefly further to the mayor's comments.

997
01:20:28,712 --> 01:20:30,312
I just want to say, as more and more new

998
01:20:30,312 --> 01:20:34,072
people move into our community to contribute to the development

999
01:20:34,112 --> 01:20:37,192
of our community, I think it's important that we ensure

1000
01:20:37,213 --> 01:20:40,837
that we. Highlight some of the history and the historical

1001
01:20:40,938 --> 01:20:44,437
aspects and some of the components that help shape our

1002
01:20:44,458 --> 01:20:47,797
community to turn it into the community that it is

1003
01:20:48,458 --> 01:20:51,957
that welcomes new people here. And you see new people

1004
01:20:51,978 --> 01:20:55,957
choosing to call the Community, our community home to them

1005
01:20:55,978 --> 01:20:59,637
as well. So I think acknowledging that people know we're

1006
01:20:59,677 --> 01:21:03,397
Thunder Bay is Thunder Bay is never going anywhere. It's

1007
01:21:03,397 --> 01:21:07,477
not like the, uh, the, um, the Gulf of Mexico

1008
01:21:08,138 --> 01:21:12,417
being changed to, you know, the Gulf of USA. But

1009
01:21:12,417 --> 01:21:14,757
I think this is very fitting. It's certainly someone in

1010
01:21:14,757 --> 01:21:18,197
the Community who, as the mayor said, has contributed and

1011
01:21:18,237 --> 01:21:25,277
I too am supportive. Councillor Flag. Thank you, Chair. Just,

1012
01:21:25,277 --> 01:21:29,117
uh, I guess a point of clarification. Within this report

1013
01:21:29,138 --> 01:21:34,717
as PBS 54 2025 as well. I'm wondering what the

1014
01:21:34,978 --> 01:21:37,517
current status of that report is and whether we have

1015
01:21:37,517 --> 01:21:42,157
to, um, defeat that report, whether that report was tabled

1016
01:21:42,178 --> 01:21:46,317
or anything like that before we can approve the report,

1017
01:21:46,317 --> 01:21:47,997
um, that we're considering this evening.

1018
01:21:56,441 --> 01:21:59,700
Yep, through you chair. Uh, typically we like to include,

1019
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:01,860
uh, when we have, uh, a report on the same

1020
01:22:01,961 --> 01:22:05,300
matter that the previous report be received. That's typical to

1021
01:22:05,340 --> 01:22:08,020
have that in a recommendations. We don't have it here.

1022
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:12,260
Um, that report, we would consider spent at this point.

1023
01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:17,026
And the address that I don't believe. As an answered,

1024
01:22:17,026 --> 01:22:23,762
thank you. Um. Being no more comments or questions, I

1025
01:22:23,762 --> 01:22:28,846
will, uh, call the question all those in favor. Opposed.

1026
01:22:32,409 --> 01:22:39,355
Don't dare. Gee, was that a threat. None opposed. So

1027
01:22:39,355 --> 01:22:46,851
that carries. Not chairman like I realise your worship. But

1028
01:22:46,952 --> 01:22:55,322
whatever. Um, so, uh, do we have any new business

1029
01:22:55,903 --> 01:22:59,777
or inquiries this evening. Your worship? Just following the, um,

1030
01:23:00,378 --> 01:23:05,317
consideration of the, um, consolidated CIP and the discussion around

1031
01:23:05,738 --> 01:23:10,197
the Affordable Housing. Just want to make sure that when,

1032
01:23:10,197 --> 01:23:13,077
um, the CIP report comes back, there will be some

1033
01:23:13,117 --> 01:23:16,837
consideration given to whether we need to change our definition

1034
01:23:16,858 --> 01:23:20,917
of affordable housing in our affordable housing CIP. Can I

1035
01:23:20,917 --> 01:23:24,517
just get confirmation that that will be considered by Ms.

1036
01:23:24,557 --> 01:23:31,097
Smith. De warrior. Madam Chair ESP would definitely have a

1037
01:23:31,137 --> 01:23:34,610
look at it. Okay. Thank you. Any other new business

1038
01:23:35,191 --> 01:23:40,440
or inquiries. That being the case will move on to

1039
01:23:40,440 --> 01:23:45,000
the business status report. Any questions about the business status

1040
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:50,837
report. None being seen. That concludes the business of the

1041
01:23:51,738 --> 01:23:55,237
Planning Business and Bylaw Committee. And I turn the chair

1042
01:23:55,258 --> 01:23:58,097
back to you. Thank you very much, Councillor Kristensen. Um,

1043
01:23:58,097 --> 01:24:02,245
that takes us to Infrastructure Services. Councillor Lewis. Thank you.

1044
01:24:02,285 --> 01:24:05,685
We have a packed agenda tonight. Andrea Infrastructure with no

1045
01:24:05,706 --> 01:24:10,965
presentations or delegations, no reports. Um, are there any matters

1046
01:24:10,965 --> 01:24:15,249
of new business or inquiries for members. Councillor Flag. Thank

1047
01:24:15,249 --> 01:24:18,769
you, Chair. Um, in previous meetings, we've had a discussion

1048
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:22,589
about the corner of Mitch Nern, Point Abno Road, uh,

1049
01:24:22,710 --> 01:24:27,729
with respect to traffic calming and daylight triangles. And I'm

1050
01:24:27,729 --> 01:24:30,289
just wondering, um, if we can get a report as

1051
01:24:30,329 --> 01:24:33,809
to where we are with that from staff, um, I've

1052
01:24:33,849 --> 01:24:37,089
driven that stretch, um, a number of times in the

1053
01:24:37,089 --> 01:24:40,449
last three weeks and find it very difficult. Um, and

1054
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:43,409
I know that there has been some other individuals that

1055
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:46,529
have reached out with the same concerns, um, and I'm

1056
01:24:46,529 --> 01:24:49,649
hopeful that staff can get us a report sooner than

1057
01:24:49,689 --> 01:24:52,871
later. Thank you, Councillor Flag. And I know the mayor

1058
01:24:52,911 --> 01:24:54,551
and I have spoke on this one as well. It's

1059
01:24:54,591 --> 01:24:57,991
come up at infrastructure services. And I believe is scheduled

1060
01:24:58,012 --> 01:25:03,591
for, um, traffic coordinating. Um, but, uh, director Clint, any

1061
01:25:03,612 --> 01:25:07,016
comments on that. Through you, Chair. Yes. I did speak

1062
01:25:07,037 --> 01:25:10,456
with, um, Tommy Peasl before this meeting. He did provide

1063
01:25:10,456 --> 01:25:13,576
me with some updates, which I can share. Um, so

1064
01:25:13,677 --> 01:25:16,776
he did mention that staffer currently brushing, um, for sight

1065
01:25:16,816 --> 01:25:19,096
lines. And that they are planning to bring it to

1066
01:25:19,096 --> 01:25:22,296
the traffic coordinating for review September 16th. That was the,

1067
01:25:22,296 --> 01:25:24,216
uh, the Information I received from him. I hope that

1068
01:25:24,216 --> 01:25:29,924
helps. Thank you. Thank you, Director Flag. Anything further? Nothing

1069
01:25:30,105 --> 01:25:33,364
further. I appreciate the soundtrack. Thank you. Any other questions

1070
01:25:33,785 --> 01:25:37,375
from members of Council. Seeing none, I just want to

1071
01:25:37,375 --> 01:25:41,335
add to that one, um, Director Clint, Mitchener and Far

1072
01:25:41,335 --> 01:25:45,155
Avenue or Mitchner to Fire Avenue in that section. Um,

1073
01:25:45,596 --> 01:25:48,615
should also maybe be flagged for traffic coordinating as well.

1074
01:25:49,038 --> 01:25:51,977
Um, if there are no other questions, I did have

1075
01:25:52,158 --> 01:25:58,937
one, um, pardon me? Oh, Councillor Christensen, go ahead. Yes,

1076
01:25:58,958 --> 01:26:02,137
Chair, and I'm not entirely certain where to raise this,

1077
01:26:02,137 --> 01:26:06,617
but it's a question. As you're aware, there has been,

1078
01:26:07,918 --> 01:26:11,737
uh, concerns expressed with respect to, um, the use of

1079
01:26:11,737 --> 01:26:15,657
motorized vehicles on trails requesting signage, which has been put

1080
01:26:15,657 --> 01:26:18,537
up in Shag Park Park. Thank you very much. Um,

1081
01:26:18,798 --> 01:26:24,457
and with respect to speeding and we have had media,

1082
01:26:24,457 --> 01:26:30,837
um, campaign initiated to educate the public on this. Um,

1083
01:26:31,758 --> 01:26:36,137
I wondered, I actually had someone, uh, raised the question

1084
01:26:36,318 --> 01:26:40,857
with me, uh, with respect to people who use pedal

1085
01:26:40,857 --> 01:26:46,657
assisted. Bikes and who have mild disabilities. Um, have difficulty

1086
01:26:46,657 --> 01:26:50,097
using a regular bike. And I did some research and

1087
01:26:50,137 --> 01:26:54,257
found out that there is a piece of legislation that

1088
01:26:54,438 --> 01:26:58,737
will actually set up classes of motorized vehicles with class

1089
01:26:58,758 --> 01:27:04,577
one being the, um, pedal assist bikes. And in other

1090
01:27:04,617 --> 01:27:09,537
provinces, their distinguished from others. My question is, would it

1091
01:27:09,537 --> 01:27:13,297
be possible to find out the current status? I understand

1092
01:27:13,398 --> 01:27:16,897
it is not being proclaimed. And I just wondered whether

1093
01:27:17,718 --> 01:27:21,377
you could find out what the current status or speak

1094
01:27:21,377 --> 01:27:24,337
to someone at the province who actually can give you

1095
01:27:24,358 --> 01:27:26,977
a little bit of background on when it will be

1096
01:27:27,478 --> 01:27:31,937
proclaimed, um, because then I might have a motion if

1097
01:27:31,937 --> 01:27:37,029
I know that. Through, through you, Chair, yeah, that's not

1098
01:27:37,029 --> 01:27:39,669
a problem. We can investigate that further. Thank you. Perfect.

1099
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:41,829
And then the other component to that would be enforcement

1100
01:27:41,850 --> 01:27:45,349
on which we're already working on. Yes. And my mine

1101
01:27:45,349 --> 01:27:48,549
is simply a question at this point because it is,

1102
01:27:48,549 --> 01:27:52,296
um, they are not permitted. So yeah. Thank you. Any

1103
01:27:52,336 --> 01:27:56,056
other questions from council? If none, I do have one,

1104
01:27:56,056 --> 01:27:59,336
uh, director Clint, one question for you. I know it's

1105
01:27:59,376 --> 01:28:02,136
only August 10th, but I'm just wondering when we would

1106
01:28:02,157 --> 01:28:10,925
expect timing on the babych operational report for 2026. To

1107
01:28:10,965 --> 01:28:13,325
you, Chair, we're hoping to have it, I would say

1108
01:28:13,365 --> 01:28:16,285
at the end of December or December, if not early

1109
01:28:16,325 --> 01:28:20,838
January. And if I could continue with that, thank you.

1110
01:28:20,838 --> 01:28:23,638
Reason for bringing this up, I'd like to ask staff

1111
01:28:23,899 --> 01:28:27,638
that when bringing forward the end of your bay beach

1112
01:28:27,678 --> 01:28:30,958
report that we, in addition to the regular updates, we

1113
01:28:31,099 --> 01:28:35,398
receive on operations, attendance, revenues. We take a closer look

1114
01:28:35,398 --> 01:28:39,558
at the breakdown on revenue's generated from 40er residents compared

1115
01:28:39,558 --> 01:28:43,660
to non - residents. Um, with the said like to

1116
01:28:43,700 --> 01:28:47,580
also ask staff to include a scenario for council's consideration

1117
01:28:47,761 --> 01:28:50,700
in the upcoming budget that looks at the financial impact

1118
01:28:50,961 --> 01:28:57,820
of providing free beach passes to Fordieri residents, um, specifically

1119
01:28:57,820 --> 01:29:01,980
what revenues we would potentially be giving up by eliminating,

1120
01:29:01,980 --> 01:29:06,860
um, residential pass fees. And are there reasonable ways that

1121
01:29:07,041 --> 01:29:12,460
revenues could be absorbed within existing operations to recover those,

1122
01:29:12,460 --> 01:29:16,540
um, other revenues, including non - resident fees. Um, I

1123
01:29:16,580 --> 01:29:19,020
believe this is something that council may want to consider

1124
01:29:19,601 --> 01:29:21,980
or at least we should have the options, um, in

1125
01:29:21,980 --> 01:29:24,620
front of us in order to have those conversations in

1126
01:29:24,620 --> 01:29:28,860
the upcoming budget. So having that financial information and some

1127
01:29:28,860 --> 01:29:33,180
potential options available to council, I think would be helpful.

1128
01:29:33,180 --> 01:29:35,420
Um, I'm by no means suggesting that we want to

1129
01:29:35,460 --> 01:29:38,700
make this decision, um, I'm simply asking that we have

1130
01:29:38,740 --> 01:29:40,860
those numbers in front of us so that when we

1131
01:29:40,860 --> 01:29:44,300
look at this report, we're prepared to have further discussion.

1132
01:29:44,801 --> 01:29:46,700
Councillor Lewis, I'm going to suggest that that should be

1133
01:29:46,801 --> 01:29:50,446
a notice of motion at the August 24th meeting. Uh,

1134
01:29:50,446 --> 01:29:53,166
the time between then and the report. And that can

1135
01:29:53,166 --> 01:29:55,486
be dealt with in September. It'll give direction. Staff has

1136
01:29:55,526 --> 01:29:58,126
an idea where you're heading. But I think there's sufficient

1137
01:29:59,107 --> 01:30:01,566
work involved in that that's something that should be a

1138
01:30:01,606 --> 01:30:04,446
notice of motion. Absolutely. And I have no problem bringing

1139
01:30:04,486 --> 01:30:07,632
it up in that fashion. Thank you. Thank you, staff.

1140
01:30:07,632 --> 01:30:12,032
Um, if the, um, comments from council, I will move

1141
01:30:12,032 --> 01:30:14,432
that on to the business status report. There are two

1142
01:30:14,432 --> 01:30:17,023
items in that report. Are there any questions or comments

1143
01:30:17,124 --> 01:30:19,663
related to that? Seeing none, I will turn it back

1144
01:30:19,844 --> 01:30:23,343
to you, your worship. Thank you, Councillor Lewis. That takes

1145
01:30:23,383 --> 01:30:28,078
us then to Corporate Services Council flag. Thank you worship

1146
01:30:28,339 --> 01:30:31,278
Corporate Community Services. Now in Session, we have no presentations

1147
01:30:31,539 --> 01:30:34,398
or delegations this evening. One report on the floor looking

1148
01:30:34,398 --> 01:30:40,396
for a seconder. Thank you. Um, by your worship, move

1149
01:30:40,396 --> 01:30:47,326
by your worship comments, your worship. The report indicates that

1150
01:30:47,507 --> 01:30:49,886
there were some, there were some consideration given to what

1151
01:30:49,886 --> 01:30:55,006
other municipalities are doing and didn't really specify which ones

1152
01:30:55,046 --> 01:30:58,986
they might be. But it also indicated that this, um,

1153
01:30:59,667 --> 01:31:03,166
agreement that's been negotiated for the extension with TD Banking

1154
01:31:05,027 --> 01:31:08,526
is favorable to the, to the town. But there is

1155
01:31:08,566 --> 01:31:14,366
nothing to indicate what other banks are offering or doing.

1156
01:31:14,366 --> 01:31:17,866
I'm going to support this, but I would like, uh,

1157
01:31:17,907 --> 01:31:20,846
before the bylaw comes forward to get some information from

1158
01:31:21,027 --> 01:31:23,886
staff with respect to what the other banks have been

1159
01:31:23,987 --> 01:31:27,566
offering, what other municipalities may be able to have generated

1160
01:31:27,907 --> 01:31:31,166
because the end of the report suggests that it may

1161
01:31:31,206 --> 01:31:33,486
be coming time when we would want to go out

1162
01:31:33,486 --> 01:31:41,027
to the market again. Thank you. Other comments. Seeing none,

1163
01:31:41,027 --> 01:31:45,944
all those in favor. Unopposed, that carries. Brings us the

1164
01:31:45,944 --> 01:31:52,615
new business inquiries. Questions on the business status report. Seeing

1165
01:31:52,716 --> 01:31:55,095
none, I'll close that and turn it back to you,

1166
01:31:55,095 --> 01:31:58,819
worship. Thank you very much, Councillor Flag. That was, uh,

1167
01:31:59,420 --> 01:32:07,561
quite expeditious. Um, okay, scheduling of meetings. Councillor Noyes. There's

1168
01:32:07,561 --> 01:32:10,761
an SBCA meeting on the 20th. I think about five

1169
01:32:10,801 --> 01:32:18,900
o'clock at the chair's house. Mary Reinhardt. You say 5

1170
01:32:18,921 --> 01:32:24,709
p. m. Yes. Any other meetings. Councillor Lewis. We have

1171
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:30,149
the crystal beach BIA meeting business improvement this area board

1172
01:32:30,149 --> 01:32:33,269
of management meeting on Wednesday, August the 12th at 6

1173
01:32:33,290 --> 01:32:37,485
p. m. And Wednesday, August the 12th at 5 p.

1174
01:32:37,485 --> 01:32:42,372
m. is the next meeting for EAC. Okay. Anyone else.

1175
01:32:43,574 --> 01:32:48,993
If not, that, sorry, Councillor Noise. There also non -

1176
01:32:48,993 --> 01:32:51,903
for - profit housing meeting on the 19th. The Wednesday,

1177
01:32:51,903 --> 01:32:57,540
and it's usually at Betty. S. At nine. 9 a.

1178
01:32:57,540 --> 01:33:04,763
m. The date on that again. Thank you. Any others.

1179
01:33:06,316 --> 01:33:09,411
Contraduino. Yes, sir. I'd like to move the council and

1180
01:33:09,411 --> 01:33:12,800
committee adjourn this evening at 722 p. m. All those

1181
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,988
in favor. Unanimous. Thank you all.