1 00:00:28,960 --> 00:53:41,750 e e 2 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:46,789 hey Andy can you hear us just doing a 3 00:53:46,799 --> 00:53:49,440 check uh oh he looks froz he looks 4 00:53:49,440 --> 00:54:22,030 Frozen to me give it a 5 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,480 hey Andy just doing an audio check can 6 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,589 you hear us okay 7 00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:35,430 oh we can't hear 8 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,839 him hey Andy can you say something one 9 00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:42,870 more time you can hear 10 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,359 us so have you got can't hear you all 11 00:54:46,359 --> 00:55:22,829 right hang on one sec 12 00:55:22,839 --> 00:55:31,309 hey Andy it's Stacy again just doing 13 00:55:31,319 --> 00:56:01,870 home 14 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,160 it's plugged in though it should have 15 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:55,230 been picking up yeah it should 16 00:56:55,240 --> 00:57:46,589 yeah e 17 00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:48,559 conversation I remember having with my 18 00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,440 uh my friend who owned the trash company 19 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,440 city of Wilmington operated it 20 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:57,200 internally their own so Union contract 21 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,480 they didn't pick up on rainy days below 22 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,280 45 degrees or 23 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:09,710 something it was in their 24 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,480 contract what 25 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:29,990 you l 26 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,200 hello hiy 27 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,349 us I can hear 28 00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:39,400 you or not 29 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,760 anymore you're muted thank you Andy 30 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:55,029 thank you okay we can hear you just fine 31 00:58:55,039 --> 00:59:51,589 good e 32 00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:55,029 been chaotic this week 33 00:59:55,039 --> 01:00:01,309 man catch 34 01:00:01,319 --> 01:00:24,950 up see the 35 01:00:24,960 --> 01:01:11,309 discussion e 36 01:01:11,319 --> 01:01:13,480 I only saw the one yeah you're over on 37 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:14,839 the right 38 01:01:14,839 --> 01:01:20,950 side to the left side the wrong 39 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,920 side how you doing today I am apparently 40 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:31,109 a lot less stressed than you 41 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,160 are a lot going on work that's for sure 42 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,480 P seven 43 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,960 days I did get a a very urgent text from 44 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,480 one of my major constituents today I E 45 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:43,799 my 46 01:01:43,799 --> 01:01:46,400 wife she uh she's concerned about how 47 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,599 roads left Boulders of snow in our 48 01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:54,829 driveway today she will be sitting 49 01:01:54,839 --> 01:02:40,990 here e 50 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,039 fact that we haven't had any melt off 51 01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:45,760 month 52 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,319 that we're getting to the point where 53 01:02:49,319 --> 01:02:51,079 our 54 01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:56,029 plows can't push over 55 01:02:56,039 --> 01:02:58,039 and it starts to change how you manage 56 01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:00,760 it you have to actually do have to go 57 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,680 back and push back so you have 58 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,359 room that makes 59 01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:07,760 sense well if you want I just wrote out 60 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,920 the instructions to starting running and 61 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,319 stopping our 62 01:03:11,319 --> 01:03:15,079 snowblower we got yeah do your wife use 63 01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:16,810 it I use 64 01:03:16,810 --> 01:03:19,319 [Music] 65 01:03:19,319 --> 01:03:22,680 it oh really it starts with flip the 66 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,440 lever from the turtle to the rabbit yep 67 01:03:26,440 --> 01:04:20,230 our turn the thing well let her know 68 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:21,920 yeah 69 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:26,160 it's wasn't good so how you doing today 70 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,700 SP a lot of 71 01:04:29,710 --> 01:04:32,160 [Music] 72 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:41,750 money I might have a 73 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:51,230 little one Lodge and then two 74 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,400 areas yeah getting handed that that's a 75 01:04:54,400 --> 01:05:03,950 I got handed that dog 76 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,079 it's can be but I mean I've actually my 77 01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:24,630 old job used to 78 01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:58,029 be e 79 01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:03,990 you can't 80 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,279 really is that I imagine that's largely 81 01:06:07,279 --> 01:06:09,359 because of familiarity of 82 01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:12,000 mountain mountain are obviously 83 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,680 obviously the companyes different 84 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,640 revenue streams oh true different 85 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,760 business units so there is some 86 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,760 complexity like I have to live in 87 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,760 that you have to build your time no I 88 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,839 don't have to all my departments all my 89 01:06:28,839 --> 01:06:31,760 all my departments 90 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,799 sh every 91 01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:39,309 Department are 92 01:06:39,319 --> 01:06:44,079 there go both ways um one of 93 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:54,510 my departmental 94 01:06:54,520 --> 01:07:41,789 managers e 95 01:07:41,799 --> 01:07:44,720 there's ways to keep it out 96 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,640 of yeah 97 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:53,750 mean 98 01:07:53,760 --> 01:08:19,229 decision exist 99 01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:21,440 today good I was there for me and 100 01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:24,430 somebody 101 01:08:24,440 --> 01:09:17,789 else e 102 01:09:17,799 --> 01:09:21,440 soon it'll be Pioneer Square or whatever 103 01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:23,880 that's right slice of pizza hang out 104 01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,080 going to have some more options here 105 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,789 soon 106 01:09:29,799 --> 01:09:33,080 I I would imagine they're trying to open 107 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,199 for June is there a liquor license 108 01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:40,120 facility Stacy are the are the Pioneer 109 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,359 Court folks working on liquor licenses 110 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:44,400 and stuff like that Jean um so he's 111 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,040 gonna go through an attorney he called 112 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,159 me the other day and um he's like can I 113 01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:51,560 just come in and meet with you and like 114 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:52,679 you know what do I need to know and I 115 01:09:52,679 --> 01:09:53,759 was like no no no if you're going to go 116 01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:55,120 through an attorney they they'll handle 117 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,840 all that for you I was like have your 118 01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,679 attorney contact me if they need help 119 01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:02,199 but the attorneys usually know exactly 120 01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:24,310 what to 121 01:10:24,320 --> 01:11:08,510 do e 122 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:54,229 [Music] 123 01:11:54,239 --> 01:12:33,709 something e 124 01:12:33,719 --> 01:12:34,880 how you 125 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:57,149 doing you doing 126 01:12:57,159 --> 01:12:58,320 for 127 01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:03,719 you I was reading my hometown newspaper 128 01:13:03,719 --> 01:13:07,159 does yes we got a 129 01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:10,629 couple never 130 01:13:10,639 --> 01:13:24,110 anything on 131 01:13:24,120 --> 01:14:09,110 theist e 132 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,679 changed years ago to allow that because 133 01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:15,800 it seems like Jeff Co used to run 134 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,080 them but but that was many years ago 135 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,280 Jeff the 136 01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,639 sh yes elected official what his 137 01:14:23,639 --> 01:14:30,790 consequences 138 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,719 right favorite 139 01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:36,320 parenting 17 there was a DUI checkpoint 140 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:37,840 of I'll say right around the corner from 141 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,030 our house 142 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,639 I totally forgot can you run up to the 143 01:14:43,639 --> 01:14:45,800 Acme or Safeway 144 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:55,750 and forcing him to go through the 145 01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:50,669 your respect 146 01:15:50,679 --> 01:15:55,910 B 147 01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:53,830 coming back at 27 148 01:16:53,840 --> 01:17:54,550 and e 149 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:59,870 that was 150 01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:01,639 y right 151 01:18:01,639 --> 01:18:05,870 yourself 152 01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,199 [Music] 153 01:18:08,199 --> 01:18:23,750 good 154 01:18:23,760 --> 01:19:08,750 go e 155 01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:53,870 just 156 01:19:53,880 --> 01:20:23,550 whatever St 157 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:39,830 he hasn't heard from us 158 01:20:39,840 --> 01:21:22,510 we I know he said he's working 159 01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:28,470 hey Dy we're just waiting on Dan you 160 01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:49,750 know what was 161 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,520 that when when everyone's talking I 162 01:21:52,520 --> 01:22:22,310 can't hear 163 01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:50,490 just 164 01:22:50,500 --> 01:23:00,990 [Music] 165 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:32,470 no 166 01:23:32,480 --> 01:24:04,629 in 167 01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:39,149 he 168 01:24:39,159 --> 01:24:44,510 everybody the work session on January 14 169 01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:53,310 2025 acknowledging Andy is 170 01:24:53,320 --> 01:25:48,590 reme for 171 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,639 Andy can you hear us I just wanted to 172 01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:54,400 confirm I can hear you now just now 173 01:25:54,400 --> 01:26:05,910 thank 174 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:14,950 you should we keep that up Stacy we can 175 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:28,669 see and I'll keep an eye on 176 01:26:28,679 --> 01:26:30,080 I don't know why that's happening but 177 01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,880 I'll keep an eye on it from my station 178 01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:33,199 as well and just make sure that we 179 01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:36,040 remain off mute okay Andy if we go muted 180 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,920 without meaning to just wave your hands 181 01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,199 so we know catch our attention thanks 182 01:26:42,199 --> 01:26:44,960 perfect good try good 183 01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:49,280 test all right diving right in here um 184 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,360 on the topic today as you know from your 185 01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,960 staff report you received a draft I want 186 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,280 to emphasize draft comoving in um before 187 01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,560 you I want to recognize that as we go 188 01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,000 through went through everything over the 189 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,840 last three work sessions that we've held 190 01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,239 on this it's one thing to sit and have 191 01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:06,080 the conversation and provide direction 192 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,280 for me to interpret it and then write it 193 01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,520 and then now you actually got to see 194 01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,199 what it looks like um definitely this is 195 01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:40,270 the opportunity to let 196 01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,119 resale calculation with Capital 197 01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:45,280 Improvements owner and renter employment 198 01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,400 requirements we're going to verify along 199 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,760 with I did add assets um that was in the 200 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,719 Covenant and there was some uncertainty 201 01:27:51,719 --> 01:27:53,480 after I sent out the staff report it was 202 01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:55,280 brought up that might have misunderstood 203 01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,600 that topic a little bit or completely 204 01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,400 and then added other because I'm not 205 01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,440 sure if you have other topics you saw in 206 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:08,870 the Covenant that were you wanted to 207 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:13,440 bring apologize for the aing problems um 208 01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:16,679 okay so moving on to the first one with 209 01:28:16,679 --> 01:28:20,109 the lottery 210 01:28:20,119 --> 01:28:22,560 topic we're looking specifically for 211 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,639 Council feedback on the propol Lottery 212 01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:26,920 language which you saw in the Covenant 213 01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,520 specifically connected to this I'm going 214 01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,159 to put a couple questions at you and 215 01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:32,679 I'll put them back as we talk about this 216 01:28:32,679 --> 01:28:34,560 um keep in your head we're looking for 217 01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,040 feedback does the council want to modify 218 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,040 suggested priority requirements for 219 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,360 extra tickets should an affidavit alone 220 01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,280 be acceptable without 221 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,400 verification should there be a penalty 222 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,520 for not going forward with if you are 223 01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,480 the selected candidate for a lottery um 224 01:28:51,480 --> 01:29:04,510 and I'll go back to these all 225 01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,750 and Theos 226 01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:11,199 tickets um to see how with the maximum 227 01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:13,600 total raised would 228 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,960 be okay so as noted one the first thing 229 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,800 and I'll pause on this for a little bit 230 01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,880 staff looked at examples of what other 231 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,840 communities do along with taking into 232 01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,880 consideration what we heard from Council 233 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,320 at the last work session Council had a 234 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,119 little bit different opinions so this is 235 01:29:29,119 --> 01:29:31,920 up for definite discussion you may have 236 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,080 um there was Conversation Over Copper 237 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,560 10mile Basin being a priority or not 238 01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,679 being a priority so as drafted before 239 01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:45,189 you to to start a discussion 240 01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:49,119 on everybody would get a ticket if they 241 01:29:49,119 --> 01:29:51,880 meet the definition of a resident and 242 01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,600 then you would get an extra ticket so 243 01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,440 ticket number two if you have been 244 01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:59,400 working for a business located within 245 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,719 the town of Frisco at least 30 hours a 246 01:30:01,719 --> 01:30:05,719 week for at least two consecutive years 247 01:30:05,719 --> 01:30:08,560 then you can get a third ticket maximum 248 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,560 of three the way this is drafted and I 249 01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,520 apologize step report said two and it 250 01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:16,000 would be three um if you have lived and 251 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,119 or worked for a business located within 252 01:30:18,119 --> 01:30:20,960 the 10 Mile Basin for five years or more 253 01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,520 so as proposed you get an extra ticket 254 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,880 if you have been specifically working 255 01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,719 within the town of Risco at least two 256 01:30:27,719 --> 01:30:29,800 years and then there's an option for an 257 01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,600 additional ticket if 258 01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,880 you Bas in for at least five years um 259 01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,520 working or living in that area so for 260 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,639 example somebody who works at Copper 261 01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:42,560 Mountain for six years would get an 262 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,920 extra ticket through that second Clause 263 01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:46,440 they would not get an extra ticket for 264 01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:48,080 the first one because copper is not 265 01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,080 within the 266 01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,320 town so I'll open it here for comments 267 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:56,510 feedback thoughts so 268 01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,679 so I know on the the 269 01:31:00,679 --> 01:31:04,560 lottery I was trying to Hope like people 270 01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:06,719 here longer than two years you know like 271 01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:09,440 people who are here for 10 years 15 272 01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:12,080 years that are applying for housing and 273 01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:13,600 stuff and have worked in the town at 274 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:18,639 Brisco or you 10 Mile decent you know as 275 01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:27,870 taking that group of people 276 01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:29,280 how do we get people who've been here 277 01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,600 you know two years I think 278 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,639 is you know but I was wondering how we 279 01:31:35,639 --> 01:31:39,360 can get those people to here 10 15 years 280 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,199 you know if there's a lot of them I I 281 01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:43,679 don't know how many there are what what 282 01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:45,760 the average age is who people who are 283 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,080 trying to get into the summer County 284 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:53,520 Housing 10 years yeah you know um that's 285 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,080 kind of what I was when we were talking 286 01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,840 Lottery you know I was thinking that 287 01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,000 that kind of way you know 288 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,760 um so 289 01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:17,750 that's too I hav't really 290 01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,880 considered I just believe in the lottery 291 01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,560 system for this process um I'm open to 292 01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,440 the idea that uh maybe push that back a 293 01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:27,800 little bit so that give an advantage to 294 01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,840 people who have been here longer yeah I 295 01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,840 I think two years is well it's kind of a 296 01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:35,520 short time if people are in the same 297 01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,600 Lottery with you they've been here 10 or 298 01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,800 15 you know what do you think would be a 299 01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:41,480 good 300 01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:43,760 number Bas I don't know I just kind of 301 01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,880 wondering what how many people are our 302 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,840 town applying for that kind of stuff and 303 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,960 how long they lived here you know 304 01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,679 because you know 15 years or two years 305 01:32:54,679 --> 01:33:02,470 is you know who do you pick 10 306 01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,679 years I can't hear you 307 01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:07,760 again yeah this is goingon to be a tough 308 01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,440 meeting like this I can't hear you guys 309 01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:13,669 at all you're off 310 01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:16,239 again I think Stacy is working behind 311 01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:18,960 the scenes and trying to troubleshoot it 312 01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,440 right 313 01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:22,760 now okay that 314 01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:26,560 that's just get P pieces and pieces uh 315 01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,080 I'm with you Dan I I feel like 10 years 316 01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:33,840 is is at least the Mark I you know 317 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,040 personally I I think you should have the 318 01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,719 opportunity to tr to get more than just 319 01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:42,520 two or three tickets unless we are um 320 01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,119 capping the number of people that can 321 01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:47,960 join the lottery but that also hinders 322 01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:49,560 people within 323 01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,840 uh uh you know a time frame of signing 324 01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:54,760 up for it so that that's a tough one 325 01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:56,520 there 326 01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,360 but it's almost like 327 01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:03,239 copping people in the 10 Mile Basin 328 01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:09,750 first before everyone else can 329 01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,760 apply you know that's the hard thing 330 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,400 with Lil Nells neighborhood over there 331 01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:16,119 that I don't know I think it was like 332 01:34:16,119 --> 01:34:19,840 300 people one of my run was in on that 333 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:21,639 and he end up 334 01:34:21,639 --> 01:34:24,400 155 you know when is when is cut when do 335 01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,679 you cut it say you know now it's 300 336 01:34:26,679 --> 01:34:28,960 people little that's that was includ a 337 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,040 didn't have to be resent just for that 338 01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:44,990 right I think just a county county 300 339 01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:49,590 clearly at least Cory has already 340 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,119 offered I will 341 01:34:52,119 --> 01:34:56,600 volunteer so is the concept of these two 342 01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:58,560 distinctions acceptable we're just 343 01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,800 talking about the number of years as the 344 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,159 cut off or is there some 345 01:35:03,159 --> 01:35:05,679 other weighted Lottery that you're 346 01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:08,000 thinking so yeah are we talking about 347 01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,760 you have to be here a certain amount of 348 01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,119 years to even enter it well that's what 349 01:35:12,119 --> 01:35:14,400 the two years is everybody everybody 350 01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,800 that wants to enter yeah this is for an 351 01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:18,639 add everybody gets one ticket yeah 352 01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:20,760 you've been here two years in Frisco you 353 01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,239 get two tickets if you've been five 354 01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:24,480 years in the basic you get 355 01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:27,790 yeah so everybody can 356 01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,400 have mine was you've been here five 357 01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:33,040 you've been here 10 years you get two 358 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,440 tickets that separates the people who've 359 01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:38,390 been here 360 01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:42,159 longer you know 361 01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:44,719 yeah I was thinking like the people all 362 01:35:44,719 --> 01:35:46,960 10 years or something 10 to 15 years 363 01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,600 they all go into a 364 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,920 lottery they go into a lottery nobody 365 01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:52,480 nobody you're saying you would actually 366 01:35:52,480 --> 01:35:54,560 restrict the lottery 367 01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,239 like if You' been you would have to have 368 01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:58,280 been here for 10 years 369 01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:00,360 whatever could 370 01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:04,870 get 371 01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:08,679 yeah sorry what like a first right of 372 01:36:08,679 --> 01:36:11,080 refusal is that what you're saying Dan 373 01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:12,840 no I'm just trying to get more equity 374 01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:20,149 for people who've been here 375 01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:22,360 longer that's how a lot of the people 376 01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,040 who have been here 10 years trying to 377 01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,679 get a housing they feel you know like oh 378 01:36:26,679 --> 01:36:29,000 somebody just moved here two years ago 379 01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,159 got a poli I've been living here for a 380 01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:35,080 long time and how's that play with yeah 381 01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,880 I five years or whatever number is in 382 01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:41,080 that five year slot you have three times 383 01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,159 the chance of somebody who's been here 384 01:36:43,159 --> 01:36:45,400 year and I did read that how you know 385 01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,840 the extra tickets have gotten people up 386 01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,360 higher in you 387 01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,320 know in the percentage of being close to 388 01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:56,080 the that you know I wonder if if you set 389 01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,280 that you know I'm only the only you know 390 01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,239 person saying this you know if you set 391 01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,639 that at 10 years I realized that we 392 01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:07,590 don't where we would 393 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:11,159 set been here for 10 years actually be 394 01:37:11,159 --> 01:37:13,840 consistent yeah like you know if you is 395 01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,480 it going to be 100 people is it going to 396 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:19,280 be five people because ultimately the 397 01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,800 homes have to get sold too yeah yeah 398 01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:23,719 where where is that number at you know 399 01:37:23,719 --> 01:37:26,400 yeah and I was you know I mean because 400 01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,239 you can say it could be 20 years too 401 01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:31,119 yeah yeah no I don't know 402 01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:34,800 how and I that's why I'm having a 403 01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,960 discussion I'm curious 404 01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:40,760 um because you didn't want to cut it you 405 01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:44,560 know you know everybody after two years 406 01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,800 is how I guess the ticket way so anyone 407 01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,639 maybe give them an extra you know I 408 01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:54,880 don't know correct anyone can enter 409 01:37:54,880 --> 01:38:03,229 two years is what they're 410 01:38:03,239 --> 01:38:07,199 saying your first day you can enter 411 01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:08,880 first day living here you can enter at 412 01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,560 two years you get an additional ticket 413 01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:12,880 oh is 414 01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,320 that that's what it is oh I thought it 415 01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:17,040 was two years I thought it was two years 416 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:18,639 as well I thought it was two years and 417 01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:20,679 then you can 418 01:38:20,679 --> 01:38:24,880 enter so you enter anybody who meets the 419 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:26,800 definition of a resident 420 01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,800 enters they get a ticket if they've been 421 01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,560 working in fritzco at least two years 422 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,480 then they get a second ticket at that 423 01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:38,719 point and if they have then lived or 424 01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:40,920 worked in the 10 Mile Basin for at least 425 01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:45,310 five years then they 426 01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:55,109 get and I can't hear you again 427 01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:56,920 I don't think there is but if we were to 428 01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,520 restrict entry into the lottery based on 429 01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,080 how long you've been 430 01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:06,840 here we have can I don't think you you 431 01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,000 don't have an interstate commerce 432 01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,960 discrimination is that's right that's 433 01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,159 yeah no because it's it's always limited 434 01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:16,520 to Residents right there's 435 01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,440 no you can't discriminate against 436 01:39:18,440 --> 01:39:19,760 anybody come out State because you have 437 01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,400 to live here to participate you got to 438 01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:25,239 be a resident no ISS 439 01:39:25,239 --> 01:39:28,440 you know I know we're looking at Lottery 440 01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:31,840 but is a weit 441 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,440 list would first go to be on a waight 442 01:39:34,440 --> 01:39:37,960 with and and we pick down we pick down 443 01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:42,040 the list you know so are you instead of 444 01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:45,560 a lottery instead of a lottery just wa 445 01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,040 yeah I think you have to give somebody 446 01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:51,560 who's new to the community a chance to 447 01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,040 get out they're moving here to take a 448 01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,719 job knowing that they're going to be 30 449 01:39:56,719 --> 01:39:58,800 years before they can get a house 450 01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:59,800 they're not 451 01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:05,080 moving so and I awaited lottery I think 452 01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:07,679 is fair and what whatever the numbers 453 01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:09,960 are whatever the increments are but you 454 01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:12,040 got to give somebody who even though 455 01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:13,199 they're new to the 456 01:40:13,199 --> 01:40:15,080 community they're coming here they want 457 01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,719 to buy a house they should have a chance 458 01:40:17,719 --> 01:40:19,280 is it as bit of a chance as somebody 459 01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:32,189 who's been here 10 years 460 01:40:32,199 --> 01:40:39,709 I can't hear any of 461 01:40:39,719 --> 01:40:42,360 it Andy we're gonna pause for a minute 462 01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:45,400 while they troubleshoot so we won't have 463 01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:47,840 they almost thanks Andy we're trying to 464 01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,119 figure it out okay yeah it's tough I end 465 01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:53,520 up hearing half of what everyone says 466 01:40:53,520 --> 01:41:00,510 okay on pause all 467 01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:05,239 right select account management account 468 01:41:05,239 --> 01:41:22,229 setting 469 01:41:22,239 --> 01:42:03,229 tab e 470 01:42:03,239 --> 01:42:06,000 cool so Zoom did an update apparently 471 01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:15,669 and added it as a new 472 01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:24,189 feature thanks Z 473 01:42:24,199 --> 01:42:26,960 so is our 474 01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:33,830 zo up 475 01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:38,629 to in 476 01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:40,239 Zoom 477 01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:43,119 there's you go into 478 01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:52,109 settings yeah upgrade oh that's an 479 01:42:52,119 --> 01:43:38,870 upgrade e 480 01:43:38,880 --> 01:44:03,990 people 481 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,070 I made 482 01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:14,310 a and it hasn't 483 01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:24,790 gone and now it'll make a noise 484 01:44:24,800 --> 01:45:20,790 why 485 01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,679 hey I'm going to try to um the meeting 486 01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:26,159 and just rejoin it see if that helps so 487 01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:27,860 you'll see us disappear 488 01:45:27,860 --> 01:46:12,550 [Music] 489 01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:25,149 EX 490 01:46:25,159 --> 01:46:59,189 all 491 01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:17,140 dis 492 01:47:17,150 --> 01:47:32,790 [Music] 493 01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:51,830 what 494 01:47:51,840 --> 01:48:25,510 about e 495 01:48:25,520 --> 01:49:05,270 I mean I could just sit here 496 01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:07,760 oh I mean it'll make a noise now when it 497 01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:21,709 goes 498 01:49:21,719 --> 01:50:12,629 off e 499 01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:15,440 all we need is the list like this no no 500 01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:38,070 no back into 501 01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:42,750 shows don't know if's a 502 01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:47,390 sound I think you're 503 01:50:47,400 --> 01:51:19,510 right yeah 504 01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:22,079 well I guess you're right if it is 505 01:51:22,079 --> 01:51:46,950 assume you're 506 01:51:46,960 --> 01:52:12,709 right yeah 507 01:52:12,719 --> 01:52:25,069 f 508 01:52:25,079 --> 01:53:00,470 can 509 01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:16,950 know what I'm saying so he can 510 01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:18,760 still your 511 01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:31,350 cellone and I'm G to leave this 512 01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,880 and then you want to hear me over the 513 01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:37,280 video yeah we can hear you 514 01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:41,960 fine yeah okay I can hear you uh I don't 515 01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:43,480 know if I can hear everyone else you're 516 01:53:43,480 --> 01:53:52,790 right next to Stacy's phone 517 01:53:52,800 --> 01:54:03,390 oh 518 01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:06,760 barely I can hear you not well but I can 519 01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:08,840 hear 520 01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:12,639 you pretty loud can you hear me 521 01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:17,199 now yeah now while you're on the video I 522 01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:20,440 can yeah so I think it looks like the 523 01:54:20,440 --> 01:54:22,840 options are one which I don't know make 524 01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:24,920 sense to keep having the glitch where 525 01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:26,960 Cheeks getting disconnect here and I 526 01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:28,560 think my concern with that is it also 527 01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:30,440 means anyone watching the recording 528 01:54:30,440 --> 01:54:32,119 can't hear when they're trying to watch 529 01:54:32,119 --> 01:54:35,119 this at another time or hear what happen 530 01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:36,800 but we do it this way but it sounds like 531 01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,960 Andy may not hear you 532 01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:42,199 well we've kind of gone through all the 533 01:54:42,199 --> 01:54:46,350 same troubleshooting that we could so 534 01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:48,560 far yeah I don't know what what you want 535 01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:49,920 to do but 536 01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:59,310 I we try 537 01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:01,960 screaming no this is a zoom problem and 538 01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:06,669 that's all it's the whole 539 01:55:06,679 --> 01:55:17,669 thing switch 540 01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:22,400 team I mean I think and's Andy's 541 01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,560 participation and ability to hear the 542 01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,320 discussion is pretty critical for the 543 01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:30,520 entire night but especially for this 544 01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:33,480 segment do we is it I mean I hate even 545 01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:35,199 suggest this but do we hold this work 546 01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:38,639 session off until Andy is back in 547 01:55:38,639 --> 01:55:41,119 town with 548 01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:43,920 me I'll be back I'm scheduled to be back 549 01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,960 on the 28th I'll be back on the 550 01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:57,470 27th we did that earlier later 551 01:55:57,480 --> 01:55:59,960 I'm I hate to do that I you know but I 552 01:55:59,960 --> 01:56:03,320 do want to hear what everyone's saying 553 01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:05,840 it's not it's not you doing it we want 554 01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:11,910 you to 555 01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:15,400 be are you are you available earlier 556 01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:19,000 than four o'clock on the 28 557 01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,440 that see I'll check m 558 01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:28,149 ATT 559 01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:31,000 K on the 560 01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,239 28th I have a very important corporate 561 01:56:33,239 --> 01:56:35,920 meeting I would love to be available 562 01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:39,560 on miss that meeting yes I am 563 01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:43,350 available it as early 564 01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:47,320 as I would be available in 565 01:56:47,320 --> 01:56:50,560 person on the 566 01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:53,840 28th take the rest our time for this 567 01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:57,440 item try troubleshoot 568 01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:01,159 yeah we don't have AUM left in the 569 01:57:01,159 --> 01:57:03,840 room just stop the work session I'll put 570 01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,280 up messaging for the public just so they 571 01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:12,510 understand do do 572 01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:15,280 I see we get it 573 01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:18,000 fixed the idea is we we don't have a 574 01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:21,079 quorum if you can't hear Andy so we drop 575 01:57:21,079 --> 01:57:22,159 this and they're going to try and 576 01:57:22,159 --> 01:57:23,719 troubleshoot at least for the rest of 577 01:57:23,719 --> 01:57:27,480 the the night take this time and we'll 578 01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:31,719 be in contact with you okay hang out 579 01:57:31,719 --> 01:58:21,550 sorry 580 01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:44,930 than 581 01:58:44,940 --> 01:58:46,079 [Music] 582 01:58:46,079 --> 01:58:50,870 hey 583 01:58:50,880 --> 01:59:04,180 Tom the 584 01:59:04,190 --> 01:59:09,910 [Music] 585 01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:39,390 well 586 01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:40,679 second thing I said is if you turn off 587 01:59:40,679 --> 01:59:45,830 the noise 588 01:59:45,840 --> 02:00:38,750 cancellation yeah it's the 589 02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:42,109 of 590 02:00:42,119 --> 02:00:48,430 course that's what we 591 02:00:48,440 --> 02:01:08,589 did we might be okay 592 02:01:08,599 --> 02:01:10,599 Andy can you hear 593 02:01:10,599 --> 02:01:14,360 us I can hear you you know but it's it's 594 02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:17,599 choppy when everybody talks but oh yeah 595 02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:19,520 that's normal that's the normal LEL 596 02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:21,360 performance I can hear you it's it's not 597 02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:26,870 going mute at the moment on 598 02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:37,629 you should we try it 599 02:01:37,639 --> 02:01:40,840 we no he's not no 600 02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:49,640 like yes that's correct 601 02:01:49,650 --> 02:02:07,189 [Laughter] 602 02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:11,520 anything oh we're trying we think so we 603 02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:12,880 hope 604 02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:28,109 so it's been it has Auto muted one time 605 02:02:28,119 --> 02:03:19,589 full confidence 606 02:03:19,599 --> 02:03:29,149 Andy you can hear us 607 02:03:29,159 --> 02:03:34,040 yes you had spoken last you can hear 608 02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:37,159 me what we were talking through was the 609 02:03:37,159 --> 02:03:40,440 Fair way to do the the um Lottery to 610 02:03:40,440 --> 02:03:42,000 give appropriate weight to people who 611 02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:44,239 have been here long appropriate 612 02:03:44,239 --> 02:03:46,239 opportunity to people who are new to the 613 02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:50,320 C so just to throw out 614 02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:52,559 numbers if we 615 02:03:52,559 --> 02:03:57,199 gave one ticket to everybody meaning no 616 02:03:57,199 --> 02:03:59,159 matter how long you've been here you get 617 02:03:59,159 --> 02:04:01,559 an additional ticket after you've been 618 02:04:01,559 --> 02:04:04,280 here for two years an additional ticket 619 02:04:04,280 --> 02:04:06,400 after you've been here five years and an 620 02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:08,159 additional ticket after you've been here 621 02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:12,000 10 years so the 10 plus folks get four 622 02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,239 tickets somebody who is new to the 623 02:04:14,239 --> 02:04:15,800 community does have 624 02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:20,480 a tiet in with just to throw that out 625 02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:21,559 there so we're not talking about white 626 02:04:21,559 --> 02:04:24,719 paper paper ideas and as you discussed 627 02:04:24,719 --> 02:04:33,629 talk about Frisco 10 miles on 628 02:04:33,639 --> 02:04:37,639 the yeah I know I'm losing 629 02:04:37,639 --> 02:04:41,679 my sense of that needing to be critical 630 02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:44,559 okay how how wide the net is isn't 631 02:04:44,559 --> 02:04:46,880 something okay does anybody have a 632 02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:51,870 strong opinion or is it within s County 633 02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:55,639 think of that yeah I I 634 02:04:55,639 --> 02:04:59,320 I I would as far as if you can apply 635 02:04:59,320 --> 02:05:01,239 period if you've been in Summit County 636 02:05:01,239 --> 02:05:04,040 for zero amount of time you're saying 637 02:05:04,040 --> 02:05:07,400 you can apply for our Workforce housing 638 02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:09,320 you get one ticket is that what you're 639 02:05:09,320 --> 02:05:11,719 saying right so everybody has at least 640 02:05:11,719 --> 02:05:13,079 an opportunity and no matter how long 641 02:05:13,079 --> 02:05:14,280 you've been here you have a chance to 642 02:05:14,280 --> 02:05:16,440 have a ticket in the buck but then if 643 02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:18,159 you've been here two five and 10 you get 644 02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:20,840 extra tickets and what about if you've 645 02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:23,840 been in the M Basin for that 646 02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:25,920 long we're looking forward to your 647 02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:29,040 opinion because I don't have one meaning 648 02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:31,040 whether we do this as just Frisco the 10 649 02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,199 Mile Basin or all of Summit County is a 650 02:05:33,199 --> 02:05:36,000 question for the T yeah you know 651 02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:38,960 personally I I feel like the people who 652 02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:41,960 have been vested in Frisco are the 653 02:05:41,960 --> 02:05:43,840 people who have been in the 10- mile 654 02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,559 Basin and uh you know that should count 655 02:05:46,559 --> 02:05:50,159 for something whatever that is if that's 656 02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:52,280 another ticket I don't know but 657 02:05:52,280 --> 02:05:55,119 uh you know then then we're also getting 658 02:05:55,119 --> 02:05:58,000 into how many people are applying for 659 02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:01,520 these units and you I'm just I I I'm 660 02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:04,119 just throwing ideas if we did zero and 661 02:06:04,119 --> 02:06:09,079 two in Frisco five and 10 is Sun 662 02:06:09,079 --> 02:06:12,360 County or not Frisco 10 Mile Basin zero 663 02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:15,079 and two are 10 Mile Basin and five and 664 02:06:15,079 --> 02:06:19,669 10 is all count you 665 02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:26,189 know not Su County not all Sumit 666 02:06:26,199 --> 02:06:28,760 County well staff had suggested all 667 02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:31,400 Summit County at some point in the 668 02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:34,159 criteria because of the fact that a lot 669 02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:37,000 of the other communities do allow from 670 02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:39,000 Summit County so it's kind of recognized 671 02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:41,440 among staff that should all towns start 672 02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:43,840 trying to open it up for so it's fair 673 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:45,040 and that's just something that's been 674 02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:47,639 brought up by staff too it's we're not 675 02:06:47,639 --> 02:06:51,119 set it to the council and and I and I 676 02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:52,880 see that 677 02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:55,800 uh for us we don't have you know like 678 02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:59,040 bre has hot Sil has tons you know and 679 02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:03,079 it's kind of hard to get them all you 680 02:07:03,079 --> 02:07:06,760 know but K I got 10 Mile Basin in Frisco 681 02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:08,119 I thought that's what we just talking 682 02:07:08,119 --> 02:07:09,960 about K right now would you say that all 683 02:07:09,960 --> 02:07:12,040 the municipalities in the county are 684 02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:15,239 moving towards kind of reciprocity on 685 02:07:15,239 --> 02:07:19,480 that there are priority periods in a few 686 02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:22,079 um I can pull it up I I don't feel 687 02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:23,440 comfortable saying they're all going 688 02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:24,960 that direction I don't know if the 689 02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:27,440 Housing Authority has that answer about 690 02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:29,520 if all communities are going towards 691 02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:31,679 Sumit County or if some are still 692 02:07:31,679 --> 02:07:33,800 specific priority for just a Bas that 693 02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:35,360 they're located in our 694 02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:40,440 town okay so so for me uh you know I I 695 02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:42,800 I'm am definitely I would say against 696 02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:45,960 the idea of only allowing one or two 697 02:07:45,960 --> 02:07:49,320 extra tickets in which case you know 698 02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:52,440 you've got this extra ticket at five 699 02:07:52,440 --> 02:07:54,960 another extra ticket at 10 another extra 700 02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:59,320 ticket at 10 Mile Basin uh you know you 701 02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:01,480 you've and then I don't know how many 702 02:08:01,480 --> 02:08:04,760 tickets could we could you 703 02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:07,760 accumulate uh to bump you up the lottery 704 02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:09,440 would be the idea 705 02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:11,079 there 706 02:08:11,079 --> 02:08:14,679 uh you know those of us who have made 707 02:08:14,679 --> 02:08:18,800 the sacrifices to stay in this 708 02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:20,960 town I don't know have made those 709 02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:23,079 sacrifices plenty other people have had 710 02:08:23,079 --> 02:08:25,000 to choose to be able to buy something 711 02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:27,320 somewhere else I don't necessarily want 712 02:08:27,320 --> 02:08:30,719 to penalize them because they ended up 713 02:08:30,719 --> 02:08:33,440 having to buy something in in Summit 714 02:08:33,440 --> 02:08:35,719 Cove uh because they couldn't buy 715 02:08:35,719 --> 02:08:38,559 something here you know I was gone for 716 02:08:38,559 --> 02:08:41,880 maybe uh you know two two years of my 717 02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:45,760 tenure here uh and owning another place 718 02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:47,880 and we ended up being able to buy 719 02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:52,360 in uh so that's a tough one but feel 720 02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:55,679 like those that have stayed should at 721 02:08:55,679 --> 02:09:01,990 least have another 722 02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:03,920 ticket what would that look like what do 723 02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:04,840 you 724 02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:07,280 mean like 725 02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:09,920 that now now you're up to five tickets 726 02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:12,520 if you've been here for 10 years and 727 02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:15,239 you've been here in the 10 Mile Basin 728 02:09:15,239 --> 02:09:18,079 and you've been here you know uh uh 729 02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:21,199 working for somebody within the 10 m 730 02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:25,840 base and area uh you know gives you more 731 02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:28,079 tickets I you know that's what I'm 732 02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:33,390 throwing out 733 02:09:33,400 --> 02:09:36,440 here if you did that are you thinking 734 02:09:36,440 --> 02:09:38,880 then it would be Summit County for the 735 02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:40,840 two years Summit County for the five 736 02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:42,639 years Summit County for the 10 years and 737 02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:45,480 then an extra ticket if you're within 738 02:09:45,480 --> 02:09:47,880 the 10 Mile Basin just in general for a 739 02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:52,870 certain amount of years or 740 02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:55,800 um you know I mean originally I was 741 02:09:55,800 --> 02:09:58,719 thinking 10 Mile Basin for for all of it 742 02:09:58,719 --> 02:10:02,440 as Dan was saying uh 743 02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:05,000 but you know 744 02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:07,840 uh yeah that's that's tough one how do 745 02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:11,159 you guys feel about that in the first 746 02:10:11,159 --> 02:10:14,000 place I feel like I'd like to put it in 747 02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:15,079 there for 748 02:10:15,079 --> 02:10:17,520 now and let this be one that we talk 749 02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:20,079 about a little more meaning if we are at 750 02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:22,880 the point of 02 2 5 and 751 02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:26,599 10 and then we're down to the 752 02:10:26,599 --> 02:10:30,040 geography let's let's let declare 753 02:10:30,040 --> 02:10:32,159 success and move on to the next topic 754 02:10:32,159 --> 02:10:34,639 and we can hit geography next time so 755 02:10:34,639 --> 02:10:36,960 yeah would be clear for me I like the 756 02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:38,840 idea of 757 02:10:38,840 --> 02:10:41,040 theg my 758 02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:44,119 concern because if you open this up 759 02:10:44,119 --> 02:10:46,480 County you're going to get 200 if you 760 02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:48,639 open it up to 10 Mile base in Frisco 761 02:10:48,639 --> 02:10:51,599 you're going to get 15 apps it Chang the 762 02:10:51,599 --> 02:10:52,440 whole 763 02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:55,639 damic that's for sure I like the concept 764 02:10:55,639 --> 02:10:57,199 but I agree 765 02:10:57,199 --> 02:11:00,400 geography and and probably similar thing 766 02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,280 not putting words in your mouth 767 02:11:02,280 --> 02:11:03,480 understanding what the other towns are 768 02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:06,000 doing if they're all opening it up to 769 02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:08,400 our people then I think there's a 770 02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:10,760 conversation 771 02:11:10,760 --> 02:11:15,079 about go I think that conversation Point 772 02:11:15,079 --> 02:11:18,840 tooties do have considerably more 773 02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:22,360 available than we do so 774 02:11:22,360 --> 02:11:25,119 conversation well and this is to really 775 02:11:25,119 --> 02:11:27,239 was to take care of our Workforce we're 776 02:11:27,239 --> 02:11:29,360 building it to keep our town sustainable 777 02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:31,880 people here you know working and living 778 02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:34,320 here and not have to drive from Reon or 779 02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:35,840 just sumach code you know that's the 780 02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:38,440 thing is they work here be nice that 781 02:11:38,440 --> 02:11:39,880 they live here just so they're not 782 02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:43,679 taking an hour bus or half hour bus you 783 02:11:43,679 --> 02:11:46,760 know so so when you when you put Summit 784 02:11:46,760 --> 02:11:48,360 County in there and people are working 785 02:11:48,360 --> 02:11:50,159 over in Breck and they get a house here 786 02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:52,719 and then they're commute our you know 787 02:11:52,719 --> 02:11:54,840 it' be nice that people in the town they 788 02:11:54,840 --> 02:11:56,239 were I agree I just don't want to get 789 02:11:56,239 --> 02:11:58,480 into a geography War where our if we 790 02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:01,480 have people who work here that have 791 02:12:01,480 --> 02:12:04,440 secured housing in Dylan Silverthorn or 792 02:12:04,440 --> 02:12:07,480 anywhere else or the 793 02:12:07,480 --> 02:12:10,760 county they relieved us of that ear I 794 02:12:10,760 --> 02:12:12,520 yeah so now all of a sudden if we shut 795 02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:14,280 it down to their 796 02:12:14,280 --> 02:12:16,119 folks I think 797 02:12:16,119 --> 02:12:18,040 it yeah whether it's a Mayors and 798 02:12:18,040 --> 02:12:20,440 managers or whatever this is I don't 799 02:12:20,440 --> 02:12:22,400 think we have what we need to make this 800 02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:24,559 decision right now yeah but we're also 801 02:12:24,559 --> 02:12:26,800 not talking about shutting it down to 802 02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,239 anybody else we're talking about giving 803 02:12:29,239 --> 02:12:31,960 a little extra favor to those that have 804 02:12:31,960 --> 02:12:33,400 that are 805 02:12:33,400 --> 02:12:37,440 vested so maybe County gets one ticket 806 02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:38,800 like the two-year 807 02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:43,000 people if you're in some County Frisco 808 02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:47,149 10 Mile Basin you're getting one 809 02:12:47,159 --> 02:12:50,000 ticket in fris for so many years you get 810 02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,480 more tickets I don't know ex thatly 811 02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,400 we're still including 812 02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:57,880 now how about we table the location part 813 02:12:57,880 --> 02:13:01,239 for now I'll dra the at least the extra 814 02:13:01,239 --> 02:13:03,360 tickets based on the years we have I'll 815 02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:05,400 probably just put something in as a 816 02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:08,559 placeholder and then we can get back to 817 02:13:08,559 --> 02:13:12,520 it today or talk about ites that 818 02:13:12,520 --> 02:13:15,920 work at least we can maybe as long as as 819 02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:17,800 long as it doesn't just go 820 02:13:17,800 --> 02:13:20,760 away you know and like like don't rely 821 02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:22,840 on us to have to bring that back up that 822 02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:24,400 should be in there somewhere because 823 02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:27,840 this is important to at least three of 824 02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:30,639 us got 825 02:13:30,639 --> 02:13:33,480 it 826 02:13:33,480 --> 02:13:35,599 okay I'm not sure who the other one is 827 02:13:35,599 --> 02:13:37,719 but I find it important I just think we 828 02:13:37,719 --> 02:13:41,549 need to flush this one out a little 829 02:13:41,559 --> 02:13:45,199 further other one in our current 2019 830 02:13:45,199 --> 02:13:47,119 deep restriction isn't there something 831 02:13:47,119 --> 02:13:48,239 on 832 02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:52,440 resales that we we're Limited in 833 02:13:52,440 --> 02:13:55,520 geography in a first round and then we 834 02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:58,119 open it up further correct the first 835 02:13:58,119 --> 02:14:00,239 round is town of Frisco employ 836 02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:02,119 employment within the town boundaries 837 02:14:02,119 --> 02:14:04,520 okay after 30 days which we've yet to 838 02:14:04,520 --> 02:14:07,400 hit since 2019 and under that Covenant 839 02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:09,239 it would open up to anybody employed 840 02:14:09,239 --> 02:14:11,639 within Summit County that's in resales 841 02:14:11,639 --> 02:14:13,079 right 842 02:14:13,079 --> 02:14:16,440 resales I just that's an other way of 843 02:14:16,440 --> 02:14:19,719 thinking about it but am I speaking for 844 02:14:19,719 --> 02:14:22,520 the group to say 845 02:14:22,520 --> 02:14:24,920 while we want to at some level 846 02:14:24,920 --> 02:14:27,400 prioritize Frisco Andor the 10 Mile 847 02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:32,320 Basin we also want to be cooperative and 848 02:14:32,320 --> 02:14:34,159 spirited with the workforce housing 849 02:14:34,159 --> 02:14:37,040 issues throughout the county if there's 850 02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:39,760 a balance to create let's talk about 851 02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:42,960 that but from a direction 852 02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:47,750 standpoint is that where we 853 02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:52,280 are we're just losing it in the detail 854 02:14:52,280 --> 02:14:55,040 that fair no I I've I've always felt 855 02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:57,480 that we are Frisco Centric sitting in 856 02:14:57,480 --> 02:15:00,639 SMI County and we have always made our 857 02:15:00,639 --> 02:15:03,159 decisions based on Frisco and the 10 858 02:15:03,159 --> 02:15:06,760 Mile Basin and the voters in 859 02:15:06,760 --> 02:15:08,840 Frisco that's where I feel like we've 860 02:15:08,840 --> 02:15:11,040 been and that's where I feel like our 861 02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:15,960 loyalty really lies and so you know I 862 02:15:15,960 --> 02:15:18,199 I'm good with first wrer refusal to 863 02:15:18,199 --> 02:15:21,119 those that have have uh that are that 864 02:15:21,119 --> 02:15:25,430 I've made the sacrifice to be 865 02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:28,400 here 866 02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:31,719 okay kti next okay so that entered the 867 02:15:31,719 --> 02:15:34,599 first bullet question here um we talked 868 02:15:34,599 --> 02:15:37,719 about the affidavit if that would alone 869 02:15:37,719 --> 02:15:41,320 would be acceptable so is the council 870 02:15:41,320 --> 02:15:43,480 okay the way the language was drafted 871 02:15:43,480 --> 02:15:46,440 for a lottery that we would take 872 02:15:46,440 --> 02:15:48,400 someone's affidavit based on their 873 02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:52,719 longevity here employment here resident 874 02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:57,199 here I will say the stakes are too high 875 02:15:57,199 --> 02:16:00,159 trust everyone but cut the cards anyway 876 02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:03,440 so take more don't accept just an 877 02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:06,480 affidavit just some does anyone have any 878 02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:07,559 objections 879 02:16:07,559 --> 02:16:10,639 to telling you they've been here years 880 02:16:10,639 --> 02:16:16,270 not 881 02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:18,920 show in order to get a mortgage you you 882 02:16:18,920 --> 02:16:21,840 have to you know sell you're first born 883 02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:26,750 so like that's all part of 884 02:16:26,760 --> 02:16:29,239 it okay and then it was brought up at 885 02:16:29,239 --> 02:16:32,439 the last work session the possibility 886 02:16:32,439 --> 02:16:34,399 that the to consider if you were the 887 02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:36,920 first selected for a lottery and you 888 02:16:36,920 --> 02:16:40,240 turn down that unit should you have some 889 02:16:40,240 --> 02:16:42,800 kind of a timeline that you couldn't 890 02:16:42,800 --> 02:16:46,000 apply for the next another unit um in 891 02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:48,120 response to that we did draft and put 892 02:16:48,120 --> 02:16:50,559 that in there a lot saving 30 days I 893 02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:52,200 didn't want to make a couple points to 894 02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:55,639 this um obviously it was brought up also 895 02:16:55,639 --> 02:16:57,679 since the staff report went out what 896 02:16:57,679 --> 02:16:59,599 would happen if an inspection revealed 897 02:16:59,599 --> 02:17:01,000 problems with the property somebody 898 02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:03,160 should not be penalized for backing out 899 02:17:03,160 --> 02:17:06,399 of that contract um and then also the 900 02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:07,920 Housing Authority brought up a really 901 02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:09,439 good point after reading the staff 902 02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:11,880 report a lot of units don't always do an 903 02:17:11,880 --> 02:17:13,760 open house prior to the lottery so 904 02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:15,760 people actually get selected and then 905 02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:17,200 they go see the unit and then they 906 02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:19,359 realize it may not actually be what they 907 02:17:19,359 --> 02:17:22,000 want um so those were just two points to 908 02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:24,240 put in to this discussion it kind of 909 02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:26,319 came out after the staff report and 910 02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:29,160 since the discussion in December I'm not 911 02:17:29,160 --> 02:17:31,519 up for penalizing people in that fashion 912 02:17:31,519 --> 02:17:33,280 because especially you don't get to see 913 02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:33,960 the 914 02:17:33,960 --> 02:17:39,200 unit uh I I'm more interested in how do 915 02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:42,160 we get people to apply for the units 916 02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:45,319 that fit their bill as opposed to you 917 02:17:45,319 --> 02:17:47,840 know just blanket getting into every 918 02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:48,920 unit 919 02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:51,359 possible uh 920 02:17:51,359 --> 02:17:53,319 you know if you want a two-bedroom unit 921 02:17:53,319 --> 02:17:55,040 then you go for two-bedroom units how do 922 02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:57,880 we keep it that sort of thing if you you 923 02:17:57,880 --> 02:17:59,439 know like you wouldn't apply for a 924 02:17:59,439 --> 02:18:02,399 four-bedroom unit if there ever was one 925 02:18:02,399 --> 02:18:04,319 or you wouldn't apply for you know a 926 02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:06,280 studio if I don't know maybe you would 927 02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:09,240 want a studio whatever because you would 928 02:18:09,240 --> 02:18:12,160 uh qualify um but if you wouldn't 929 02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:14,319 qualify for a three-bedroom then you 930 02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:16,760 shouldn't be going after that one how do 931 02:18:16,760 --> 02:18:19,559 we keep it that people are are are 932 02:18:19,559 --> 02:18:21,359 staying within their 933 02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:23,559 parameters I think that's what part of 934 02:18:23,559 --> 02:18:26,760 what the penalty is trying to to do 935 02:18:26,760 --> 02:18:29,519 through that penalty right and I'm 936 02:18:29,519 --> 02:18:33,240 against the penalty also in general 937 02:18:33,240 --> 02:18:35,760 because you know you don't get to go see 938 02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:38,519 the units in and uh and there might be 939 02:18:38,519 --> 02:18:40,880 inspection issues that's why I'm against 940 02:18:40,880 --> 02:18:42,760 the penalty but I see the reason for the 941 02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:45,479 penalty and I'm just wondering if there 942 02:18:45,479 --> 02:18:47,000 is a way 943 02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:48,840 besides you know 944 02:18:48,840 --> 02:18:52,000 letting having to have the seller with 945 02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:54,880 40 have 40 people coming to their unit 946 02:18:54,880 --> 02:18:57,679 is there a way that we can more solidify 947 02:18:57,679 --> 02:19:01,120 the information so that people who are 948 02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:04,120 going into a lottery know what they are 949 02:19:04,120 --> 02:19:06,040 getting outside of 950 02:19:06,040 --> 02:19:08,319 inspection outside of something that 951 02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:10,319 would be a legitimate reason not to take 952 02:19:10,319 --> 02:19:12,880 the is there a way that it could be made 953 02:19:12,880 --> 02:19:14,760 very very clear what you were getting so 954 02:19:14,760 --> 02:19:18,240 that people are going for the unit they 955 02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,479 actually do want not just entering the 956 02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:22,719 line enter the lottery and figure it out 957 02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:23,800 later 958 02:19:23,800 --> 02:19:27,359 right um so I'm kind of I'm caught in 959 02:19:27,359 --> 02:19:29,280 this in the sense I don't like the 960 02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:31,960 penalty but I understand the reason for 961 02:19:31,960 --> 02:19:34,479 it is there a way 962 02:19:34,479 --> 02:19:36,880 also is there a pre-qualification 963 02:19:36,880 --> 02:19:38,479 process that can be done you know like 964 02:19:38,479 --> 02:19:40,479 so let's say someone let's say someone 965 02:19:40,479 --> 02:19:42,200 who would qualify for a 966 02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:45,160 studio or one bedroom and would not 967 02:19:45,160 --> 02:19:48,240 qualify say a for that could be caught 968 02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:50,319 at that time like well you know you're 969 02:19:50,319 --> 02:19:51,520 not really 970 02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:54,479 get this for but can't really 971 02:19:54,479 --> 02:19:57,920 afford those are my 972 02:19:57,920 --> 02:20:00,000 thoughts that's a good point and I don't 973 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:02,120 know how the system works but if you've 974 02:20:02,120 --> 02:20:07,160 got an 80% Ami unit the person has 120% 975 02:20:07,160 --> 02:20:08,200 Ami 976 02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:10,240 income are they in the lottery or 977 02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:14,590 they've already been screened 978 02:20:14,600 --> 02:20:18,319 out sorry it's after it's after the 979 02:20:18,319 --> 02:20:19,880 numbers drawn that you find out that 980 02:20:19,880 --> 02:20:21,200 they don't qualify 981 02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:24,790 qualify the 982 02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:27,240 parameters and I honestly think that 983 02:20:27,240 --> 02:20:30,399 this question was much more relevant 984 02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:33,280 when we were talking about if you lose 985 02:20:33,280 --> 02:20:35,280 the lottery multiple times you get extra 986 02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:38,319 balls we're okay with the lottery 987 02:20:38,319 --> 02:20:40,800 prioritization being based on years of 988 02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:43,160 employe or being a part of the community 989 02:20:43,160 --> 02:20:44,760 and not how many times have you lost the 990 02:20:44,760 --> 02:20:47,479 lottery yeah all we're doing is clogging 991 02:20:47,479 --> 02:20:49,760 the system and that's an sha problem 992 02:20:49,760 --> 02:20:52,840 that maybe they solve through practice 993 02:20:52,840 --> 02:20:54,479 as opposed to through deed 994 02:20:54,479 --> 02:20:56,640 restriction pre pre-screening but I 995 02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:58,560 don't think we need a deed restriction 996 02:20:58,560 --> 02:21:03,720 of how to prescreen your people so we're 997 02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:06,800 all agreement agreed to remove the penal 998 02:21:06,800 --> 02:21:12,790 that was drafted 999 02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:15,200 yes sorry I'm just making really clear 1000 02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:16,640 notes 1001 02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:21,070 on okay 1002 02:21:21,080 --> 02:21:23,680 all right moving on next topic resale 1003 02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:26,439 calculation with Capital Improvements um 1004 02:21:26,439 --> 02:21:28,319 what staff heard over the last couple 1005 02:21:28,319 --> 02:21:31,560 discussions was the resale calculation 1006 02:21:31,560 --> 02:21:34,040 again resale c not initial sale price 1007 02:21:34,040 --> 02:21:35,720 but the resale calculation should be 1008 02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:38,399 modified to be a sum of the purchase 1009 02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:42,160 price plus 3% plus 3% a year plus 1010 02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:44,920 unlimited Capital Improvements that was 1011 02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:47,280 um analyzed in the staff report for you 1012 02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:49,359 this is just the language that you saw 1013 02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:52,200 before you um we'll talk about that and 1014 02:21:52,200 --> 02:21:54,680 then the BC and D we had some questions 1015 02:21:54,680 --> 02:21:57,359 on WE carried this over from standard um 1016 02:21:57,359 --> 02:21:58,920 staff is going to look at a little bit 1017 02:21:58,920 --> 02:22:01,439 more with the attorney about the 1018 02:22:01,439 --> 02:22:04,040 necessity of needing to ensure 1019 02:22:04,040 --> 02:22:06,120 appliances are working order things like 1020 02:22:06,120 --> 02:22:07,600 that so I don't want to bog up the 1021 02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:09,280 conversation tonight with our limited 1022 02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:11,680 time but we did ask do we really need to 1023 02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:13,560 be doing this and are we doing it so 1024 02:22:13,560 --> 02:22:16,040 staff will do a little bit more research 1025 02:22:16,040 --> 02:22:19,160 into that part of this so for right now 1026 02:22:19,160 --> 02:22:21,560 the question to council is is the way 1027 02:22:21,560 --> 02:22:23,760 this is written what the council wanted 1028 02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:25,359 and how you want to continue moving 1029 02:22:25,359 --> 02:22:27,000 forward with the Covenant language which 1030 02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:29,720 is the sum of three% a year not 1031 02:22:29,720 --> 02:22:34,950 compounded plus unlimited Capital 1032 02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:38,359 Improvements for for me uh the biggest 1033 02:22:38,359 --> 02:22:39,200 thing 1034 02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:42,200 was was if you were gonna you know say 1035 02:22:42,200 --> 02:22:45,280 we we call out peak one say you happen 1036 02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:50,600 to build a garage you know and you have 1037 02:22:50,600 --> 02:22:52,280 you know your storage space above your 1038 02:22:52,280 --> 02:22:54,000 garage you've got a new you know you've 1039 02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:56,080 got square footage that you've added to 1040 02:22:56,080 --> 02:22:57,040 your 1041 02:22:57,040 --> 02:23:00,200 house um you know I I feel like you 1042 02:23:00,200 --> 02:23:02,479 should get compensated for it it 1043 02:23:02,479 --> 02:23:05,520 definitely moves your house into a 1044 02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:08,800 higher Ami category than what you bought 1045 02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:09,560 it 1046 02:23:09,560 --> 02:23:12,920 at I I I don't feel like there's any 1047 02:23:12,920 --> 02:23:16,399 other possibility unless we add 1048 02:23:16,399 --> 02:23:20,479 adus uh or the ability to add an Adu to 1049 02:23:20,479 --> 02:23:23,720 to Workforce housing uh that 1050 02:23:23,720 --> 02:23:27,760 would bump you to a new Ami category 1051 02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:31,160 without going just down because if 1052 02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:33,800 everything uh if we don't include 1053 02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:36,560 improvements and people don't incl 1054 02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:39,279 improve their places then their Ami 1055 02:23:39,279 --> 02:23:40,840 categor is g to end up going down 1056 02:23:40,840 --> 02:23:42,240 because the house is going to be 1057 02:23:42,240 --> 02:23:47,150 worthless not worthless worth 1058 02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:49,960 less and just to be clear New Living 1059 02:23:49,960 --> 02:23:53,680 Spaces and garages is allowed to be it's 1060 02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:55,800 not part of the depreciation or anything 1061 02:23:55,800 --> 02:24:00,830 it's just gets added to the base 1062 02:24:00,840 --> 02:24:03,479 price the garage just gets added to the 1063 02:24:03,479 --> 02:24:05,399 base price whether it was built 1064 02:24:05,399 --> 02:24:08,520 originally or later it's not depreciated 1065 02:24:08,520 --> 02:24:10,520 or anything it's not appreciated I'm 1066 02:24:10,520 --> 02:24:12,359 good with this with the caveat in the in 1067 02:24:12,359 --> 02:24:16,680 the drafting that I'm good with 3% plus 1068 02:24:16,680 --> 02:24:19,040 unlimited but wherever it says unlimited 1069 02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:22,120 it should reflect less depreciation so 1070 02:24:22,120 --> 02:24:24,960 everybody knows that if you spend $5,000 1071 02:24:24,960 --> 02:24:27,520 painting your house last year three 1072 02:24:27,520 --> 02:24:30,000 years ago you go to sell the property 1073 02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:31,600 you're not getting 1074 02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:34,319 $5,000 you're going to get 5,000 less 1075 02:24:34,319 --> 02:24:36,560 depreciated amount so I just think we 1076 02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:38,840 constantly are harping you're getting 1077 02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:41,319 all of your Capital Improvements back 1078 02:24:41,319 --> 02:24:42,840 and it's just a perception issue more 1079 02:24:42,840 --> 02:24:45,550 than anything 1080 02:24:45,560 --> 02:24:48,680 else I'd agree with that reasonable 1081 02:24:48,680 --> 02:24:52,880 depreciation yeah I agree with the 1082 02:24:52,880 --> 02:24:55,439 aspect um can you put the follow the 1083 02:24:55,439 --> 02:24:57,830 screen 1084 02:24:57,840 --> 02:25:00,520 before SK a couple 1085 02:25:00,520 --> 02:25:03,359 get so also though in the the language 1086 02:25:03,359 --> 02:25:07,830 here 1087 02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:11,560 the staff is suggesting just a simple 3% 1088 02:25:11,560 --> 02:25:14,240 calculation correct taking out of the 1089 02:25:14,240 --> 02:25:17,359 greater than Ami or correct that doesn't 1090 02:25:17,359 --> 02:25:19,960 necessarily greater than with the chart 1091 02:25:19,960 --> 02:25:21,319 because trying to get away from that 1092 02:25:21,319 --> 02:25:22,840 chart there's been too many complaints 1093 02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:26,439 about it and the uncertainty of it um 1094 02:25:26,439 --> 02:25:28,359 and then as far as Capital Improvements 1095 02:25:28,359 --> 02:25:30,560 it is very unique it would be unique in 1096 02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:33,000 the county to have unlimited Capital 1097 02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:35,080 Improvements whether that would affect 1098 02:25:35,080 --> 02:25:37,520 the buo affordability we can't say for 1099 02:25:37,520 --> 02:25:39,720 sure because we don't have any specific 1100 02:25:39,720 --> 02:25:43,680 example most um jurisdictions that look 1101 02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:45,399 at that have Capital Improvements 1102 02:25:45,399 --> 02:25:48,680 limited to 10 or 20% of the initial 1103 02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:51,640 purchase price so unlimited is very 1104 02:25:51,640 --> 02:25:53,560 drastically different and it could lead 1105 02:25:53,560 --> 02:25:56,120 to buyer affordability that's that's a 1106 02:25:56,120 --> 02:26:00,040 concern so on the resale the garage is 1107 02:26:00,040 --> 02:26:02,160 still added on that garage would always 1108 02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:04,800 be added on to the full value so then 1109 02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:07,000 that means that that would be at if it 1110 02:26:07,000 --> 02:26:09,000 has a garage be added 1111 02:26:09,000 --> 02:26:12,960 on so you might want to cut the Capital 1112 02:26:12,960 --> 02:26:15,359 Improvements to and we could be more 1113 02:26:15,359 --> 02:26:17,240 clear maybe that's the direction the 1114 02:26:17,240 --> 02:26:20,319 council might consider directing staff 1115 02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:23,680 to write it as livable space does not 1116 02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:26,439 depreciate and will be added to the base 1117 02:26:26,439 --> 02:26:28,760 price and then the other the things that 1118 02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:31,640 are on the five and 10 year depreciation 1119 02:26:31,640 --> 02:26:33,920 or 10 and 20 year depreciation schedule 1120 02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:37,000 maybe we look at continuing that as is 1121 02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:38,840 with the change that the council 1122 02:26:38,840 --> 02:26:41,720 recommended to go from five to 10 year 1123 02:26:41,720 --> 02:26:45,630 yeah I like 1124 02:26:45,640 --> 02:26:48,040 that because I was reading something in 1125 02:26:48,040 --> 02:26:53,120 here the Adu units only 1126 02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:55,200 back the 1127 02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:57,800 example correct yeah and that's because 1128 02:26:57,800 --> 02:27:01,399 they have the percentage of the S and 1129 02:27:01,399 --> 02:27:03,760 then when they make up then they make 1130 02:27:03,760 --> 02:27:06,200 that up in rent theying the rent they're 1131 02:27:06,200 --> 02:27:08,640 taking in by having 1132 02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:13,520 that don't have a there's no extra 1133 02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:15,880 Inc but it almost sounds like that might 1134 02:27:15,880 --> 02:27:17,520 be more the direction the council is 1135 02:27:17,520 --> 02:27:20,960 really dressing is having recognizing 1136 02:27:20,960 --> 02:27:24,560 living space and garages as that 1137 02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:26,560 shouldn't be penalized in the future or 1138 02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:31,030 taken off of value 1139 02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:35,830 butre yeah I think so 1140 02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:38,120 too they shouldn't have to lose that 1141 02:27:38,120 --> 02:27:45,750 money you know or half the money or 1142 02:27:45,760 --> 02:27:50,920 something go ahead no no Martin after 1143 02:27:50,920 --> 02:27:51,880 don't 1144 02:27:51,880 --> 02:27:55,309 fight go 1145 02:27:55,319 --> 02:28:01,319 ahead um yeah I you know since there 1146 02:28:01,319 --> 02:28:03,520 have been no adus if someone was gonna 1147 02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:06,920 add an Adu especially nowadays that the 1148 02:28:06,920 --> 02:28:10,359 cost of doing such is considerable and 1149 02:28:10,359 --> 02:28:11,880 you shouldn't get penalized for that 1150 02:28:11,880 --> 02:28:14,279 necessarily even though over the long 1151 02:28:14,279 --> 02:28:17,840 term you get paid back with uh with you 1152 02:28:17,840 --> 02:28:20,479 know a positive cash flow in rent if 1153 02:28:20,479 --> 02:28:23,640 there's positive cash flow there uh you 1154 02:28:23,640 --> 02:28:25,560 know so that that's where it's 1155 02:28:25,560 --> 02:28:28,240 like I don't know if it's depreciation 1156 02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:31,560 on that as well but uh you know you 1157 02:28:31,560 --> 02:28:34,520 should get paid back for uh the you know 1158 02:28:34,520 --> 02:28:36,760 your your square 1159 02:28:36,760 --> 02:28:39,920 footage we're all clear on that 1160 02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:42,600 additions like that go add to the basis 1161 02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:45,160 your original purchase price and I I 1162 02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:46,279 think that's how it's written but I 1163 02:28:46,279 --> 02:28:48,000 could if I'm wrong on how it's written I 1164 02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:50,200 think that we could create it that way 1165 02:28:50,200 --> 02:28:52,319 Post in the next 1166 02:28:52,319 --> 02:28:54,960 draft then on the the other issue which 1167 02:28:54,960 --> 02:28:56,479 I know is also a topic people are 1168 02:28:56,479 --> 02:28:59,040 interested in is is that taking out the 1169 02:28:59,040 --> 02:29:01,920 language of the Ami greater greater than 1170 02:29:01,920 --> 02:29:02,920 Ami or 1171 02:29:02,920 --> 02:29:07,080 3% um right now and I I think I had this 1172 02:29:07,080 --> 02:29:08,720 position the last 1173 02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:11,040 time if I didn't 1174 02:29:11,040 --> 02:29:15,040 K right now uh it's my position that I'm 1175 02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:18,319 okay with the Ami the greater 1176 02:29:18,319 --> 02:29:21,040 that I'm okay 1177 02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:24,070 I remember we did a 1178 02:29:24,080 --> 02:29:28,160 calculation and I see where I I see the 1179 02:29:28,160 --> 02:29:29,960 argument about trouble with the Ami 1180 02:29:29,960 --> 02:29:32,880 table and I can see where this could go 1181 02:29:32,880 --> 02:29:35,389 multiple 1182 02:29:35,399 --> 02:29:38,200 ways is most of the county moving to 1183 02:29:38,200 --> 02:29:40,640 only 3% or are they moving to greater 1184 02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:44,680 than 2% or 3% some are only two% some 1185 02:29:44,680 --> 02:29:47,080 are three but there's no there's no 1186 02:29:47,080 --> 02:29:48,640 there's no no greater other 1187 02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:50,920 municipalities are moving away from the 1188 02:29:50,920 --> 02:29:53,399 Ami chart they usually haven't even used 1189 02:29:53,399 --> 02:29:56,240 the Ami chart it's only our 2019 company 1190 02:29:56,240 --> 02:29:59,319 inis that did for resale calculations 1191 02:29:59,319 --> 02:30:02,680 okay yeah 1192 02:30:02,680 --> 02:30:06,479 yeah nobody I'm in favor of the of the 1193 02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:08,560 verbage of greater than and keeping the 1194 02:30:08,560 --> 02:30:12,160 Ami schedule in there at this point the 1195 02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:14,479 schedule is only going to keep going 1196 02:30:14,479 --> 02:30:19,040 down I I don't see the sea ever you know 1197 02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:22,760 raising the Ami levels uh because their 1198 02:30:22,760 --> 02:30:25,680 goal is to keep it cheaper for everyone 1199 02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:28,040 I I think it falls back into when we 1200 02:30:28,040 --> 02:30:30,200 originally talked about this the 1201 02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:33,439 windfall is not a major windfall there 1202 02:30:33,439 --> 02:30:37,040 if it goes either way and uh the thing 1203 02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:40,359 is if we're just taking away the ability 1204 02:30:40,359 --> 02:30:43,080 uh to you know to make a little bit more 1205 02:30:43,080 --> 02:30:45,760 you know what's a little bit more right 1206 02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:48,000 uh staff came up with the last time it 1207 02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:52,000 was like6 to 14,000 difference on either 1208 02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:54,600 side and if this point with the 1209 02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:56,319 readjusted 1210 02:30:56,319 --> 02:31:02,359 sea scale I it's you're going with 3% 1211 02:31:02,359 --> 02:31:06,080 anyway at this point you know I I don't 1212 02:31:06,080 --> 02:31:11,399 you know th this is what uh the HOA of 1213 02:31:11,399 --> 02:31:15,240 of our largest uh 1214 02:31:15,240 --> 02:31:19,319 uh constituent owned uh neighborhood has 1215 02:31:19,319 --> 02:31:21,520 come forward to say that they approve of 1216 02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:25,120 and they agree with I agree with them I 1217 02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:27,319 will just say I do think the cost value 1218 02:31:27,319 --> 02:31:30,120 was actually up to at least $100,000 1219 02:31:30,120 --> 02:31:32,680 difference sometimes not six to 14 just 1220 02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:34,760 to put that out there and I I'd have to 1221 02:31:34,760 --> 02:31:36,520 run the number or bring them forward 1222 02:31:36,520 --> 02:31:38,359 again but I do remember that we were up 1223 02:31:38,359 --> 02:31:41,920 to 100,000 on properties just to clarify 1224 02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:45,520 well 100,000 certainly PES 1225 02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:48,800 theil and it's also as fast as as fast 1226 02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:50,520 as interest rates went up 1227 02:31:50,520 --> 02:31:52,520 it can come down and all of a sudden 1228 02:31:52,520 --> 02:31:54,960 that chart changes again so the thought 1229 02:31:54,960 --> 02:31:57,080 that it's only going in One Direction 1230 02:31:57,080 --> 02:31:59,399 because s it's a it's a 1231 02:31:59,399 --> 02:32:02,680 formula it's 1232 02:32:02,680 --> 02:32:05,880 not it has nothing to do with interest R 1233 02:32:05,880 --> 02:32:09,160 it's a formula that is yes it does 1234 02:32:09,160 --> 02:32:11,720 Andy interest rates are part of the 1235 02:32:11,720 --> 02:32:14,080 formula as far as why the 1236 02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:18,920 sea lowered the the scale yeah it's it's 1237 02:32:18,920 --> 02:32:20,359 an input to 1238 02:32:20,359 --> 02:32:24,720 formula okay all right uh but with 1239 02:32:24,720 --> 02:32:28,150 that 1240 02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:31,120 um keep going and I let let me come back 1241 02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:34,640 to where I was yeah I I just I mean one 1242 02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:37,200 is Simplicity there's there's a fairness 1243 02:32:37,200 --> 02:32:38,920 element there's a consistency element 1244 02:32:38,920 --> 02:32:42,750 throughout the 1245 02:32:42,760 --> 02:32:45,760 county I think that we're just creating 1246 02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:48,800 uncertainty in the market we don't need 1247 02:32:48,800 --> 02:32:51,240 to you know 1248 02:32:51,240 --> 02:32:55,600 there's so I and I respect what people 1249 02:32:55,600 --> 02:32:57,160 who have the deed restriction would 1250 02:32:57,160 --> 02:32:59,560 prefer which is having the opportunity 1251 02:32:59,560 --> 02:33:01,520 to sell the house for as much as 1252 02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:03,680 possible 1253 02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:06,439 um I think giving changing the deed 1254 02:33:06,439 --> 02:33:09,800 restriction from the lesser of to just a 1255 02:33:09,800 --> 02:33:13,160 3% escalation is a fair 1256 02:33:13,160 --> 02:33:15,279 adjustment in light of everything else 1257 02:33:15,279 --> 02:33:17,560 going on in the community that's where I 1258 02:33:17,560 --> 02:33:20,279 stand and so you know if we Al look at 1259 02:33:20,279 --> 02:33:25,680 the values of say 100% Ami unit or 120% 1260 02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:30,040 or 160% Ami unit and say Smith ranch or 1261 02:33:30,040 --> 02:33:32,279 anywhere else that they're getting built 1262 02:33:32,279 --> 02:33:36,359 you know what what is that uh equal 1263 02:33:36,359 --> 02:33:40,160 to uh comparatively because if now 1264 02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:42,680 you're you're only being able to sell 1265 02:33:42,680 --> 02:33:46,479 does that mean you're lowering your Ami 1266 02:33:46,479 --> 02:33:50,319 saleability so does your 160 house at 1267 02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:54,240 only 3% sell at a 120 1268 02:33:54,240 --> 02:33:57,399 level or are you able to follow the 1269 02:33:57,399 --> 02:34:01,920 market and sell at a 160 level uh based 1270 02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:04,240 off of what everything else is going for 1271 02:34:04,240 --> 02:34:07,840 in in work force 1272 02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:10,720 housing are you asking 1273 02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:14,160 Andy the comparison between a a new 1274 02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:18,960 product like Smith Ranch to a existing 1275 02:34:18,960 --> 02:34:22,429 project and on a 1276 02:34:22,439 --> 02:34:25,560 resale uh sure at this point you know 1277 02:34:25,560 --> 02:34:27,840 but maybe you've been in Smith Ranch for 1278 02:34:27,840 --> 02:34:29,520 a short time you know the thing is is 1279 02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:31,920 that just hasn't been around as long you 1280 02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:34,080 know I don't know what's happening in in 1281 02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:37,439 Wellington as compared as comparison uh 1282 02:34:37,439 --> 02:34:41,359 you know that have been around as long 1283 02:34:41,359 --> 02:34:45,319 because the the the the the table is 1284 02:34:45,319 --> 02:34:47,520 used primarily 1285 02:34:47,520 --> 02:34:50,560 for new sales 1286 02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:53,359 that's the purpose of it Frisco has 1287 02:34:53,359 --> 02:34:58,319 written it in as part of resales Smith 1288 02:34:58,319 --> 02:35:00,920 Ranch doesn't have it as part of 1289 02:35:00,920 --> 02:35:04,040 resales they only use the table 1290 02:35:04,040 --> 02:35:07,399 for new 1291 02:35:07,399 --> 02:35:10,279 sales and then 1292 02:35:10,279 --> 02:35:13,880 automatically uh any resale is just 1293 02:35:13,880 --> 02:35:16,479 percentage based uh is a straight 1294 02:35:16,479 --> 02:35:20,469 percentage correct 1295 02:35:20,479 --> 02:35:24,960 okay to to the sense of giving the 1296 02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:28,840 unlimited Capital Improvements is 1297 02:35:28,840 --> 02:35:31,120 also an acknowledgement that we're 1298 02:35:31,120 --> 02:35:33,600 trying to be fair to the 1299 02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:35,800 sellers and we're doing something that 1300 02:35:35,800 --> 02:35:37,800 no other community is actually 1301 02:35:37,800 --> 02:35:41,359 doing which gives them the benefit of 1302 02:35:41,359 --> 02:35:42,760 what they've spent on the house just 1303 02:35:42,760 --> 02:35:44,200 from 1304 02:35:44,200 --> 02:35:46,600 a if the goal from the sell's 1305 02:35:46,600 --> 02:35:48,120 perspective which it always is is to 1306 02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:49,920 sell for as much as possible under our 1307 02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:52,279 deed restriction offering opportunities 1308 02:35:52,279 --> 02:35:54,279 to sell at a higher price than anybody 1309 02:35:54,279 --> 02:35:56,399 else in the community because we're 1310 02:35:56,399 --> 02:36:00,279 giving 3% not 2% and 100% of Capital 1311 02:36:00,279 --> 02:36:01,800 Improvements less 1312 02:36:01,800 --> 02:36:05,240 depreciation as opposed to some cap on 1313 02:36:05,240 --> 02:36:08,399 Capital Improvements I disagree there 1314 02:36:08,399 --> 02:36:10,880 andy I I feel like that is really just 1315 02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:14,319 enabling people to make the updates that 1316 02:36:14,319 --> 02:36:17,160 they need to do already to their places 1317 02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:20,080 because otherwise they won't do the the 1318 02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:22,319 updates and then they'll just sell at 1319 02:36:22,319 --> 02:36:26,840 their 3% and the house will be uh 1320 02:36:26,840 --> 02:36:30,359 undervalued as far as uh uh you know the 1321 02:36:30,359 --> 02:36:34,439 condition it's in um and you know unless 1322 02:36:34,439 --> 02:36:36,960 you're adding a garage and or an ad or 1323 02:36:36,960 --> 02:36:39,040 something like that because otherwise 1324 02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:40,640 just the other improvements that you're 1325 02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:43,600 getting paid back for are just to pay 1326 02:36:43,600 --> 02:36:45,600 you back for what you've had to put into 1327 02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:47,920 the house to keep it up for the most 1328 02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:50,240 part unless you hit cap and then you're 1329 02:36:50,240 --> 02:36:53,319 throwing the money away correct and yes 1330 02:36:53,319 --> 02:36:55,840 you know future units are now going for 1331 02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:58,920 2% but we even have units in Frisco that 1332 02:36:58,920 --> 02:37:00,520 are four and 1333 02:37:00,520 --> 02:37:04,750 five% 1334 02:37:04,760 --> 02:37:07,800 C so I I I don't see like going 1335 02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:10,279 backwards in uh you know and saying we 1336 02:37:10,279 --> 02:37:14,120 only give them 2% without the Ami uh 1337 02:37:14,120 --> 02:37:17,279 greater than uh I I don't see that as 1338 02:37:17,279 --> 02:37:19,520 any benefit whatsoever I see that as a 1339 02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:24,030 taking away from their 1340 02:37:24,040 --> 02:37:27,240 possibilities and again I am 1341 02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:29,000 here 1342 02:37:29,000 --> 02:37:35,120 to shore up uh the ability for Mobility 1343 02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:38,000 for our constituency I am not here to 1344 02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:41,240 just keep these units absolutely cheap 1345 02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:43,160 for perpetuity for whoever else is 1346 02:37:43,160 --> 02:37:46,000 coming in I you know I want to support 1347 02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:48,920 the people that you are vested in this 1348 02:37:48,920 --> 02:37:50,080 community 1349 02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:53,910 then why not remove the Deep 1350 02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:56,040 restriction why not that doesn't make 1351 02:37:56,040 --> 02:37:57,760 any sense because you bought a unit with 1352 02:37:57,760 --> 02:37:59,319 the deed restriction we're talking about 1353 02:37:59,319 --> 02:38:01,240 making the deed restriction more fair 1354 02:38:01,240 --> 02:38:02,439 and 1355 02:38:02,439 --> 02:38:05,160 Equitable the goal is to maximize the 1356 02:38:05,160 --> 02:38:07,120 sale 1357 02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:09,520 price if that's the focus fair and 1358 02:38:09,520 --> 02:38:13,040 Equitable man for a deed restricted unit 1359 02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:15,960 I'm sorry in a fair and Equitable manner 1360 02:38:15,960 --> 02:38:18,800 for a deed restricted unit yes I'm not 1361 02:38:18,800 --> 02:38:20,720 saying that 1362 02:38:20,720 --> 02:38:22,200 everybody should you know that it should 1363 02:38:22,200 --> 02:38:25,240 all go market value remotely I'm saying 1364 02:38:25,240 --> 02:38:27,720 it should be fair and Equitable based 1365 02:38:27,720 --> 02:38:30,680 off of what you bought it for what 1366 02:38:30,680 --> 02:38:32,479 you've done to your unit and what you're 1367 02:38:32,479 --> 02:38:34,240 going to be able to get out of 1368 02:38:34,240 --> 02:38:36,760 it so guess that's what we disagree is 1369 02:38:36,760 --> 02:38:38,960 I'm I'm viewing fair and Equitable as a 1370 02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:42,600 3% escalation plus unlimited 1371 02:38:42,600 --> 02:38:46,120 Capital um reimbursements and you're 1372 02:38:46,120 --> 02:38:50,560 viewing it as more than that 1373 02:38:50,560 --> 02:38:52,359 the only thing at this point I'm viewing 1374 02:38:52,359 --> 02:38:54,279 as more than that is that the verbage 1375 02:38:54,279 --> 02:38:58,080 should be greater than for uh Ami 1376 02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:00,120 schedule or 1377 02:39:00,120 --> 02:39:02,920 3% we're also you were also mentioning 1378 02:39:02,920 --> 02:39:05,720 like well we're doing better because uh 1379 02:39:05,720 --> 02:39:08,479 you know we we're not at 2% I'm talking 1380 02:39:08,479 --> 02:39:10,840 about not going backwards like that 1381 02:39:10,840 --> 02:39:14,080 right so I agre I agree 3% is fair yeah 1382 02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:16,560 the only difference right now is that 1383 02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:18,920 I'm talking about the greater of you're 1384 02:39:18,920 --> 02:39:21,760 you're all of the things that we're 1385 02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:23,880 offering that is better than everybody 1386 02:39:23,880 --> 02:39:28,240 else which is great but I'm also saying 1387 02:39:28,240 --> 02:39:31,279 that greater than is where we should be 1388 02:39:31,279 --> 02:39:33,319 for the I'm factoring in the I'm 1389 02:39:33,319 --> 02:39:34,560 factoring in the complexity and 1390 02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:36,120 uncertainty of the 1391 02:39:36,120 --> 02:39:39,640 Ami sure as as the 1392 02:39:39,640 --> 02:39:42,439 preferred formula is just eliminating 1393 02:39:42,439 --> 02:39:45,080 that element of the of the 1394 02:39:45,080 --> 02:39:48,000 calculation and do you have thoughts on 1395 02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:50,040 yeah I'm kind of with you 1396 02:39:50,040 --> 02:39:51,680 you know this is that's what brought us 1397 02:39:51,680 --> 02:39:54,840 into this this mess anyways is the Ami 1398 02:39:54,840 --> 02:39:57,880 chart so even if we made it Greater and 1399 02:39:57,880 --> 02:40:00,840 it changes you know it we'll might be 1400 02:40:00,840 --> 02:40:04,000 right back at this you know I know he's 1401 02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:07,200 you know things are going higher and but 1402 02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:09,920 I just like to get rid of the Ami chart 1403 02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:11,800 I think that caused the problems to 1404 02:40:11,800 --> 02:40:14,840 begin with you know yeah we're using it 1405 02:40:14,840 --> 02:40:18,319 to get people into units Tom said it's 1406 02:40:18,319 --> 02:40:21,279 used for that but maybe it's just it's 1407 02:40:21,279 --> 02:40:23,399 3% that's what you make and then they 1408 02:40:23,399 --> 02:40:25,920 know what they make and they're not 1409 02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:28,240 looking at the Ami chart of and it's 1410 02:40:28,240 --> 02:40:30,479 going up and down okay but wait a sec 1411 02:40:30,479 --> 02:40:34,279 Dan if I could yeah doesn't that mean 1412 02:40:34,279 --> 02:40:36,040 that if you have done nothing to your 1413 02:40:36,040 --> 02:40:39,920 unit and you're selling for only 3% 10 1414 02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:42,319 years later doesn't that mean that the 1415 02:40:42,319 --> 02:40:45,800 next buyer coming in is buying at 120% 1416 02:40:45,800 --> 02:40:51,349 instead of 140 as it was before 1417 02:40:51,359 --> 02:40:56,040 I don't know the I I understand what 1418 02:40:56,040 --> 02:40:57,840 what you I think I understand what 1419 02:40:57,840 --> 02:40:59,359 you're trying to express Andy is that 1420 02:40:59,359 --> 02:41:03,760 the price can vary and and the the 1421 02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:07,240 resale price could vary and equal 1422 02:41:07,240 --> 02:41:09,279 something that someone would look at the 1423 02:41:09,279 --> 02:41:11,080 table and say well this is hitting a 1424 02:41:11,080 --> 02:41:15,760 different Ami but the unit itself has a 1425 02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:17,120 designated 1426 02:41:17,120 --> 02:41:20,359 Ami it's and uh somebody has to qualify 1427 02:41:20,359 --> 02:41:23,880 at that Ami it it it doesn't necessarily 1428 02:41:23,880 --> 02:41:27,720 have anything to do with the resale 1429 02:41:27,720 --> 02:41:31,439 price so the new people coming in even 1430 02:41:31,439 --> 02:41:34,000 if they're going to buy it at say it's 1431 02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:36,760 160% Ami unit and if they're going to 1432 02:41:36,760 --> 02:41:40,560 buy it at a value of a 1433 02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:44,640 120% Ami unit they still have to be 1434 02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:48,000 approved at 160 it would more normally 1435 02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:50,120 go the other way where 1436 02:41:50,120 --> 02:41:55,439 a unit might be priced because of the 3% 1437 02:41:55,439 --> 02:41:59,319 escalator equal to a 160 unit but the 1438 02:41:59,319 --> 02:42:01,680 unit is designated and was originally 1439 02:42:01,680 --> 02:42:05,560 designated 120% unit they're going to 1440 02:42:05,560 --> 02:42:10,279 have to qualify at 120% to buy that 1441 02:42:10,279 --> 02:42:13,560 unit that's not that like the diversity 1442 02:42:13,560 --> 02:42:16,880 of Ami levels especially in peak one in 1443 02:42:16,880 --> 02:42:19,279 particular was based on you know there 1444 02:42:19,279 --> 02:42:22,399 the same house but but the diversity is 1445 02:42:22,399 --> 02:42:24,600 the buyer not the 1446 02:42:24,600 --> 02:42:28,040 price the diversity is is achieved 1447 02:42:28,040 --> 02:42:30,319 because of the designation of the unit 1448 02:42:30,319 --> 02:42:33,560 and what that buyer has to qualify 1449 02:42:33,560 --> 02:42:36,720 at right but what I'm saying is now 1450 02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:40,319 you're changing the Ami value of the 1451 02:42:40,319 --> 02:42:43,439 entire neighborhood no no not at 1452 02:42:43,439 --> 02:42:46,600 all all that all that's changing is the 1453 02:42:46,600 --> 02:42:49,240 resale price 1454 02:42:49,240 --> 02:42:54,160 so okay so in other words a 160% Ami 1455 02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:57,520 unit you uh to come which is a 1456 02:42:57,520 --> 02:43:00,080 qualification designation and you still 1457 02:43:00,080 --> 02:43:03,680 have to qualify for 160% Ami unit but 1458 02:43:03,680 --> 02:43:08,200 you're purchasing it for 120% Ami 1459 02:43:08,200 --> 02:43:11,840 value that that is possible yes but 1460 02:43:11,840 --> 02:43:14,359 usually it's the other way around where 1461 02:43:14,359 --> 02:43:17,840 your purchase price equals something on 1462 02:43:17,840 --> 02:43:20,240 the chart that's higher than the Ami 1463 02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:21,840 designated for that 1464 02:43:21,840 --> 02:43:27,670 unit that's what's happening more 1465 02:43:27,680 --> 02:43:31,040 often and does that not lean towards 1466 02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:33,319 going greater than as opposed to less 1467 02:43:33,319 --> 02:43:35,560 than or as no it actually it actually 1468 02:43:35,560 --> 02:43:37,359 supports the other 1469 02:43:37,359 --> 02:43:39,520 argument well I think it then it depends 1470 02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:41,399 on what your priorities are yeah yeah it 1471 02:43:41,399 --> 02:43:44,279 does it depends on you know that's 1472 02:43:44,279 --> 02:43:45,279 that's why 1473 02:43:45,279 --> 02:43:48,600 affordability is is that nebulous thing 1474 02:43:48,600 --> 02:43:50,960 of a affordability is something that's 1475 02:43:50,960 --> 02:43:54,510 hard to pin 1476 02:43:54,520 --> 02:43:58,399 down sure and we maybe we need to also 1477 02:43:58,399 --> 02:44:01,279 Define what it is that's important to us 1478 02:44:01,279 --> 02:44:04,469 as a 1479 02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:07,319 council yeah this is a tricky this is a 1480 02:44:07,319 --> 02:44:11,510 tricky one I'm not saying it's easy 1481 02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:14,840 yeah I'll say to you know as as Daniel 1482 02:44:14,840 --> 02:44:17,080 as Dan said that this is kind of what 1483 02:44:17,080 --> 02:44:19,680 started this whole discussion 1484 02:44:19,680 --> 02:44:22,160 you know I've heard from a lot of the 1485 02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:25,720 peak1 constituency Court leing the 1486 02:44:25,720 --> 02:44:27,439 HOA 1487 02:44:27,439 --> 02:44:30,880 letter if I was if we were going to End 1488 02:44:30,880 --> 02:44:33,359 discussion right now based on everything 1489 02:44:33,359 --> 02:44:35,520 that both you two have said that Tom 1490 02:44:35,520 --> 02:44:39,479 added in and that Andy is added in based 1491 02:44:39,479 --> 02:44:41,520 on where we're at this conversation and 1492 02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:43,279 what I've heard from the constituency I 1493 02:44:43,279 --> 02:44:45,840 would say keep the language as 1494 02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:48,560 greater the Ami in the calculation so 1495 02:44:48,560 --> 02:44:51,040 that's where I'm right now for those are 1496 02:44:51,040 --> 02:44:54,200 reasons but I see all the reasons for 1497 02:44:54,200 --> 02:44:57,279 decisions so right now we don't have 1498 02:44:57,279 --> 02:45:01,080 consensus should we move on or go to 1499 02:45:01,080 --> 02:45:03,040 back to this at another meeting or how 1500 02:45:03,040 --> 02:45:05,240 do you want 1501 02:45:05,240 --> 02:45:08,040 528 yeah I think we have our other two 1502 02:45:08,040 --> 02:45:09,640 Council people out there well since 1503 02:45:09,640 --> 02:45:12,200 we're also going to carry on another 1504 02:45:12,200 --> 02:45:16,120 discussion why not add to that can all 1505 02:45:16,120 --> 02:45:20,000 revisit can you or you that tell us what 1506 02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:22,439 happens if we are two to two on 1507 02:45:22,439 --> 02:45:26,200 something think motion 1508 02:45:26,200 --> 02:45:28,240 failed 1509 02:45:28,240 --> 02:45:31,960 but so it stays so the document stays 1510 02:45:31,960 --> 02:45:33,880 the way it is so the document would stay 1511 02:45:33,880 --> 02:45:36,399 the way it is it would stay the way it 1512 02:45:36,399 --> 02:45:42,150 is as 1513 02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:45,000 lesser 1514 02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:50,160 yes yes I didn't hear that it and 1515 02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:53,640 requires three of the four um to make a 1516 02:45:53,640 --> 02:45:55,560 change to the 1517 02:45:55,560 --> 02:45:57,880 Covenant 1518 02:45:57,880 --> 02:46:01,319 so it stays the way it is is what you're 1519 02:46:01,319 --> 02:46:03,880 saying yes it requires a majority vote 1520 02:46:03,880 --> 02:46:08,230 to change 1521 02:46:08,240 --> 02:46:11,160 it even if we're changing everything 1522 02:46:11,160 --> 02:46:13,560 else and 1523 02:46:13,560 --> 02:46:16,920 uh um and we're we're we're gonna put 1524 02:46:16,920 --> 02:46:20,359 forward a new covenant 1525 02:46:20,359 --> 02:46:23,080 uhy are you asking are you asking we 1526 02:46:23,080 --> 02:46:26,760 move forward would only that stay the 1527 02:46:26,760 --> 02:46:29,920 same the lesser than or would the whole 1528 02:46:29,920 --> 02:46:32,319 thing get thrown out it depends on the 1529 02:46:32,319 --> 02:46:34,520 motion made okay right you'll be 1530 02:46:34,520 --> 02:46:37,319 presented with a document y you can 1531 02:46:37,319 --> 02:46:39,160 accept all of it you can accept none of 1532 02:46:39,160 --> 02:46:41,520 it you can accept parts of it you can 1533 02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:44,439 change it so you know to the extent 1534 02:46:44,439 --> 02:46:46,240 there's a motion to accept it all and it 1535 02:46:46,240 --> 02:46:49,880 fails we I guess we move on but 1536 02:46:49,880 --> 02:46:52,920 at at this point you're not voting so 1537 02:46:52,920 --> 02:46:56,960 all you have is a a lack of consense 1538 02:46:56,960 --> 02:47:01,279 consensus because you're too do to 1539 02:47:01,279 --> 02:47:02,960 change that 1540 02:47:02,960 --> 02:47:05,920 portion but if we get to the vote but 1541 02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:08,200 then you're G to be voting on the whole 1542 02:47:08,200 --> 02:47:11,600 thing that's why they gave you yeah yeah 1543 02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:13,439 that that's that's 1544 02:47:13,439 --> 02:47:17,279 different uh you know with that if we 1545 02:47:17,279 --> 02:47:19,080 have to move on we should move on but I 1546 02:47:19,080 --> 02:47:21,920 feel like this needs to be discussed 1547 02:47:21,920 --> 02:47:26,040 further uh and we need more here before 1548 02:47:26,040 --> 02:47:28,479 we just decide that H it's 2 two and 1549 02:47:28,479 --> 02:47:30,479 we'll keep it we'll keep the the writing 1550 02:47:30,479 --> 02:47:32,520 out of 1551 02:47:32,520 --> 02:47:36,680 there not we're not done with this well 1552 02:47:36,680 --> 02:47:41,319 no I feel like we were at the point 1553 02:47:41,319 --> 02:47:43,600 before where we were talking greater 1554 02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:45,720 than and it hasn't even and it's now not 1555 02:47:45,720 --> 02:47:48,200 in there at all you know and so I feel 1556 02:47:48,200 --> 02:47:49,399 like there's 1557 02:47:49,399 --> 02:47:51,720 actually your your consensus statement 1558 02:47:51,720 --> 02:47:54,040 last meeting and we've gone back and 1559 02:47:54,040 --> 02:47:57,160 listened to the recording you were at a 1560 02:47:57,160 --> 02:48:00,279 consensus of 3% and Andy you were in the 1561 02:48:00,279 --> 02:48:02,120 minority that's what we've put that's 1562 02:48:02,120 --> 02:48:05,120 what staff wrote up but we understand at 1563 02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:08,479 this point you're not at 1564 02:48:08,479 --> 02:48:10,720 consensus 1565 02:48:10,720 --> 02:48:13,560 I so are we gonna are we are gonna are 1566 02:48:13,560 --> 02:48:17,960 we G to talk about this more or no uh as 1567 02:48:17,960 --> 02:48:21,240 far as I think that there's enough 1568 02:48:21,240 --> 02:48:23,040 there's still and I won't do we're not 1569 02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:24,520 GNA go through this but just to show you 1570 02:48:24,520 --> 02:48:26,279 there's still questions on here we need 1571 02:48:26,279 --> 02:48:28,080 it answer tonight and since we ran out 1572 02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:30,640 of time um I think we're just GNA have 1573 02:48:30,640 --> 02:48:34,600 to have this same item same discussion I 1574 02:48:34,600 --> 02:48:37,359 can add the information requested be 1575 02:48:37,359 --> 02:48:39,800 brought up about the locations but I 1576 02:48:39,800 --> 02:48:42,000 think we're going to have to return 1577 02:48:42,000 --> 02:48:43,760 again including this 1578 02:48:43,760 --> 02:48:47,000 topic okay nobody said it was going to 1579 02:48:47,000 --> 02:48:50,200 be easy no I think we keep talking until 1580 02:48:50,200 --> 02:48:53,120 we get it done and I would suggest the 1581 02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:55,720 term consensus means all four of us 1582 02:48:55,720 --> 02:48:59,160 agree correct term majority means that 1583 02:48:59,160 --> 02:49:02,800 three of us agree and it goes forward so 1584 02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:05,680 we're going for our goal is majority we 1585 02:49:05,680 --> 02:49:08,319 hope for consensus because that is the 1586 02:49:08,319 --> 02:49:12,359 better way um good call majority is 1587 02:49:12,359 --> 02:49:15,120 where we need to be okay let's take a 1588 02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:17,200 couple minute break convene the whole 1589 02:49:17,200 --> 02:49:19,239 Council and move to the next item so we 1590 02:49:19,239 --> 02:49:47,630 taking the rest the 1591 02:49:47,640 --> 02:50:17,630 rest 1592 02:50:17,640 --> 02:51:44,550 e e 1593 02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:49,389 right 1594 02:51:49,399 --> 02:51:57,150 it's not in my 1595 02:51:57,160 --> 02:52:08,150 way it's a 1596 02:52:08,160 --> 02:52:39,870 unique start roll call com 1597 02:52:39,880 --> 02:53:13,269 com 1598 02:53:13,279 --> 02:53:18,590 always 1599 02:53:18,600 --> 02:53:20,720 no this 1600 02:53:20,720 --> 02:53:47,429 this work 1601 02:53:47,439 --> 02:53:50,950 s it 1602 02:53:50,960 --> 02:53:53,760 doeses okay 1603 02:53:53,760 --> 02:54:02,750 that's it's the it's 1604 02:54:02,760 --> 02:54:26,190 the gonna ask 1605 02:54:26,200 --> 02:54:58,830 it's 1606 02:54:58,840 --> 02:55:07,670 [Music] 1607 02:55:07,680 --> 02:55:37,710 good bud you 1608 02:55:37,720 --> 02:55:41,389 time 1609 02:55:41,399 --> 02:55:46,399 rary breakfast is 7 it starts at 7:30 at 1610 02:55:46,399 --> 02:55:50,239 8:00 it kind of transitions from 1611 02:55:50,239 --> 02:55:57,510 announcements rary bus 1612 02:55:57,520 --> 02:56:06,510 to 1613 02:56:06,520 --> 02:56:11,950 answer thank 1614 02:56:11,960 --> 02:56:16,150 you yeah I did see any 1615 02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:20,469 on now I don't 1616 02:56:20,479 --> 02:56:21,960 they'll 1617 02:56:21,960 --> 02:56:25,239 show hi everybody thanks for the earlier 1618 02:56:25,239 --> 02:56:27,520 conversation and we're going to move on 1619 02:56:27,520 --> 02:56:30,840 to our second agenda tonight uh which is 1620 02:56:30,840 --> 02:56:32,880 going to be parklet and commercial use 1621 02:56:32,880 --> 02:56:35,640 of town property discussion with that it 1622 02:56:35,640 --> 02:56:38,800 looks like we have Vanessa and 1623 02:56:38,800 --> 02:56:41,560 Chris and 1624 02:56:41,560 --> 02:56:46,469 Diane she's here for 1625 02:56:46,479 --> 02:56:49,080 support um I'm going talk a little bit 1626 02:56:49,080 --> 02:56:52,479 about the background park because I've 1627 02:56:52,479 --> 02:56:54,040 been here since 1628 02:56:54,040 --> 02:56:58,110 beginning 1629 02:56:58,120 --> 02:57:01,000 parness and then this we'll talk a 1630 02:57:01,000 --> 02:57:03,680 little bit about analysis regarding the 1631 02:57:03,680 --> 02:57:06,319 challenges some of the successes and 1632 02:57:06,319 --> 02:57:07,720 then also some 1633 02:57:07,720 --> 02:57:12,399 scenarios as well as that regarding use 1634 02:57:12,399 --> 02:57:16,479 of not only cets but of um it's really a 1635 02:57:16,479 --> 02:57:18,880 use of to 1636 02:57:18,880 --> 02:57:20,319 purposes 1637 02:57:20,319 --> 02:57:23,120 fers this memo we worked on for quite a 1638 02:57:23,120 --> 02:57:25,720 long time and something just happened 1639 02:57:25,720 --> 02:57:27,359 and we realized yesterday that it was 1640 02:57:27,359 --> 02:57:29,520 not packet 1641 02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:31,920 so hopefully you have had a chance to 1642 02:57:31,920 --> 02:57:34,000 look at it so we may dive just a little 1643 02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:37,840 bit deeper than would 1644 02:57:37,840 --> 02:57:41,439 normally that all right so the parket 1645 02:57:41,439 --> 02:57:52,309 journey actually 1646 02:57:52,319 --> 02:57:55,439 still beginning began in 1647 02:57:55,439 --> 02:57:59,920 2018 um there was um an idea to build a 1648 02:57:59,920 --> 02:58:03,640 parklet just to give it a try and it was 1649 02:58:03,640 --> 02:58:06,120 um it was deployed for one weekend in 1650 02:58:06,120 --> 02:58:07,560 front of 1651 02:58:07,560 --> 02:58:11,239 Rocky and um it was an interest like it 1652 02:58:11,239 --> 02:58:13,040 was pretty cool it was like a beautiful 1653 02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:15,160 day and people were sitting out there 1654 02:58:15,160 --> 02:58:18,680 enjoying coffee so when um 1655 02:58:18,680 --> 02:58:21,720 2020 rolled around and you may remember 1656 02:58:21,720 --> 02:58:23,880 that there was a pandemic in 2020 it 1657 02:58:23,880 --> 02:58:26,439 changed how we did Commerce it does it 1658 02:58:26,439 --> 02:58:28,479 is a remarkably long time ago almost 1659 02:58:28,479 --> 02:58:31,720 five years at this point um the town was 1660 02:58:31,720 --> 02:58:33,800 looking for ways to make sure that 1661 02:58:33,800 --> 02:58:36,600 businesses could take business outside 1662 02:58:36,600 --> 02:58:39,279 um to places where they were safer and 1663 02:58:39,279 --> 02:58:41,479 part of that was standing up a prominade 1664 02:58:41,479 --> 02:58:43,920 very quickly but then Council started 1665 02:58:43,920 --> 02:58:46,239 thinking about hey what do we do in the 1666 02:58:46,239 --> 02:58:50,160 winter um how do we also delineate some 1667 02:58:50,160 --> 02:58:52,319 spaces a little bit more for liquor 1668 02:58:52,319 --> 02:58:54,520 licenses we're seeing some of the things 1669 02:58:54,520 --> 02:58:57,319 that are not looking as good um and we 1670 02:58:57,319 --> 02:58:59,880 want to make sure that we make uh we 1671 02:58:59,880 --> 02:59:02,439 honor the character of Main Street so in 1672 02:59:02,439 --> 02:59:06,439 August 2020 um the town received a re 1673 02:59:06,439 --> 02:59:09,560 Street Grant from SE do in 2000 um there 1674 02:59:09,560 --> 02:59:11,960 was a matching component to that and 1675 02:59:11,960 --> 02:59:14,760 Public Works busily got to work building 1676 02:59:14,760 --> 02:59:18,920 pandemics um building excuse me 1677 02:59:18,920 --> 02:59:20,640 yeah like the moment I bring up 1678 02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:22,399 pandemics like nothing else I can think 1679 02:59:22,399 --> 02:59:24,080 about every once in a while I forget 1680 02:59:24,080 --> 02:59:26,160 that that actually happened in 2020 so 1681 02:59:26,160 --> 02:59:30,760 the first 20 were um deployed that fall 1682 02:59:30,760 --> 02:59:33,399 and uh people really enjoyed them um 1683 02:59:33,399 --> 02:59:35,760 they came back in 2021 along with the 1684 02:59:35,760 --> 02:59:38,000 prominade again defining liquor 1685 02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:40,800 licensing Bas a little bit more and then 1686 02:59:40,800 --> 02:59:43,399 Council decided for 2022 not to do a 1687 02:59:43,399 --> 02:59:45,880 prominade um and then in 2023 we had 1688 02:59:45,880 --> 02:59:48,479 pretty significant Outreach to uh 1689 02:59:48,479 --> 02:59:50,800 businesses but also to the community and 1690 02:59:50,800 --> 02:59:52,439 what businesses said is hey we still 1691 02:59:52,439 --> 02:59:54,720 don't want a prominant but we want 1692 02:59:54,720 --> 02:59:57,680 parklets and so parklets were deployed 1693 02:59:57,680 --> 02:59:59,479 again in 2023 and 1694 02:59:59,479 --> 03:00:02,640 2024 um 2022 first year that any fees 1695 03:00:02,640 --> 03:00:05,600 were charged and then 1696 03:00:05,600 --> 03:00:09,080 um fall 2023 the decision was made to no 1697 03:00:09,080 --> 03:00:10,640 longer deploy them in the winter what 1698 03:00:10,640 --> 03:00:13,680 what's happening is there the norm was 1699 03:00:13,680 --> 03:00:15,439 changing again and people were moving 1700 03:00:15,439 --> 03:00:17,960 more inside and people weren't necessar 1701 03:00:17,960 --> 03:00:20,479 neily up for having expanded space 1702 03:00:20,479 --> 03:00:23,960 harder to get employees um and also not 1703 03:00:23,960 --> 03:00:26,000 that fun to clean off a parklet every 1704 03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:27,960 morning when there's a lot of snow and 1705 03:00:27,960 --> 03:00:30,479 so Town saw that that that was no longer 1706 03:00:30,479 --> 03:00:34,359 a need so here we are in 2020 thinking 1707 03:00:34,359 --> 03:00:36,439 about how do we move 1708 03:00:36,439 --> 03:00:38,200 forward 1709 03:00:38,200 --> 03:00:41,680 Chris so use history it went from 20 1710 03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:44,359 Park parlitz in 2020 um really the 1711 03:00:44,359 --> 03:00:47,560 height 54 in 2021 to 39 Park clits right 1712 03:00:47,560 --> 03:00:50,080 now I think the thing that's notable and 1713 03:00:50,080 --> 03:00:51,560 like should I look at history of how 1714 03:00:51,560 --> 03:00:53,920 they've been used all along no I think 1715 03:00:53,920 --> 03:00:55,640 it's it's at this point it's shaking out 1716 03:00:55,640 --> 03:00:58,399 the businesses who want to use it and so 1717 03:00:58,399 --> 03:01:00,279 out of the 19 businesses that have Park 1718 03:01:00,279 --> 03:01:03,680 list in 2024 11 were restaurants bars 1719 03:01:03,680 --> 03:01:06,000 six were retail and then two were 1720 03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:08,479 primarily service providers um like a 1721 03:01:08,479 --> 03:01:11,560 real estate office they put nice chair 1722 03:01:11,560 --> 03:01:14,600 um so that is how it breaks down and I 1723 03:01:14,600 --> 03:01:16,239 think that's going to be really relevant 1724 03:01:16,239 --> 03:01:18,359 to the discussion later I also included 1725 03:01:18,359 --> 03:01:21,239 a bunch of photography of um parklets in 1726 03:01:21,239 --> 03:01:23,479 here and the prominade the middle 1727 03:01:23,479 --> 03:01:25,399 photography is the prominade I thought 1728 03:01:25,399 --> 03:01:27,600 we really should think about that we we 1729 03:01:27,600 --> 03:01:31,040 did in 2021 have a prominade with a lot 1730 03:01:31,040 --> 03:01:34,000 of parklets on it um and then the 1731 03:01:34,000 --> 03:01:36,880 picture below is actually butter horn U 1732 03:01:36,880 --> 03:01:39,720 Bakery uh which deploys parklets with a 1733 03:01:39,720 --> 03:01:42,160 really a massive amount of success wow 1734 03:01:42,160 --> 03:01:45,200 do they expand their seating um but they 1735 03:01:45,200 --> 03:01:46,960 also do something else that will come up 1736 03:01:46,960 --> 03:01:49,439 later when talks a little bit about the 1737 03:01:49,439 --> 03:01:51,680 challenges around this and that is 1738 03:01:51,680 --> 03:01:55,040 you'll see so bottom picture you'll see 1739 03:01:55,040 --> 03:01:59,640 um there's a a a server station um right 1740 03:01:59,640 --> 03:02:01,880 by the lamp post and then there's more 1741 03:02:01,880 --> 03:02:04,520 additional seating to the left on the 1742 03:02:04,520 --> 03:02:07,479 sidewalk and we got we saw some really 1743 03:02:07,479 --> 03:02:09,439 interesting stuff in terms of starting 1744 03:02:09,439 --> 03:02:12,239 to squeeze people's access um to 1745 03:02:12,239 --> 03:02:13,960 sidewalks and being able to pass through 1746 03:02:13,960 --> 03:02:15,439 so we wanted to make sure we put that 1747 03:02:15,439 --> 03:02:18,720 picture in there 1748 03:02:18,720 --> 03:02:21,840 parket fees went from no fees to $1 per 1749 03:02:21,840 --> 03:02:24,279 square foot to $150 per square foot to 1750 03:02:24,279 --> 03:02:27,560 $3 per square foot and as talk about 1751 03:02:27,560 --> 03:02:29,800 later we're still not at the point where 1752 03:02:29,800 --> 03:02:30,920 we're 1753 03:02:30,920 --> 03:02:34,000 covering we're covering our expenses for 1754 03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:37,080 parklets it takes a lot of Labor um to 1755 03:02:37,080 --> 03:02:38,600 put the parklets out we close Main 1756 03:02:38,600 --> 03:02:41,439 Street for much of day on the front end 1757 03:02:41,439 --> 03:02:44,080 and on the back end and there's a fair 1758 03:02:44,080 --> 03:02:45,560 amount of Maintenance now that they're 1759 03:02:45,560 --> 03:02:48,080 almost 5 years old that's required for 1760 03:02:48,080 --> 03:02:50,120 parket and we did something new this 1761 03:02:50,120 --> 03:02:51,840 year too after talking to Public Works 1762 03:02:51,840 --> 03:02:53,880 what we saw is that it was a lot of work 1763 03:02:53,880 --> 03:02:56,200 to put up lighting streight lights and 1764 03:02:56,200 --> 03:02:58,479 not everybody necessarily wanted them or 1765 03:02:58,479 --> 03:03:00,279 really was using them so they their 1766 03:03:00,279 --> 03:03:02,439 businesses weren't open in the summer 1767 03:03:02,439 --> 03:03:03,960 when it was dark out and they needed 1768 03:03:03,960 --> 03:03:06,239 lighting so um they're like okay how 1769 03:03:06,239 --> 03:03:08,520 much does it cost us to put these up and 1770 03:03:08,520 --> 03:03:11,840 um $75 is what we landed on um per 1771 03:03:11,840 --> 03:03:14,520 parklet and so only the businesses that 1772 03:03:14,520 --> 03:03:16,279 were going to be utilizing them in the 1773 03:03:16,279 --> 03:03:18,600 evening for Commerce 1774 03:03:18,600 --> 03:03:20,560 lighting so just working on the 1775 03:03:20,560 --> 03:03:22,279 resources around that too and we had a 1776 03:03:22,279 --> 03:03:24,200 fair amount of calls over the course of 1777 03:03:24,200 --> 03:03:26,920 the summer um for a few businesses that 1778 03:03:26,920 --> 03:03:28,800 were like hey my spring lights went out 1779 03:03:28,800 --> 03:03:31,040 and Public Works um was great and they 1780 03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:32,600 went out and fixed them but it's another 1781 03:03:32,600 --> 03:03:34,680 component they aren't just put out there 1782 03:03:34,680 --> 03:03:37,200 and we call it good more stuff that 1783 03:03:37,200 --> 03:03:39,910 needs to 1784 03:03:39,920 --> 03:03:42,880 happen Vanessa um I'm going to go 1785 03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:44,680 through some of the successes and then 1786 03:03:44,680 --> 03:03:47,080 challenges we've had with parklets um 1787 03:03:47,080 --> 03:03:49,080 and then go through a few different 1788 03:03:49,080 --> 03:03:51,359 scenarios going forward and we have a 1789 03:03:51,359 --> 03:03:53,399 list of questions at the end to uh to 1790 03:03:53,399 --> 03:03:55,880 ask you through your input um stop me 1791 03:03:55,880 --> 03:03:57,720 throughout if you have any questions 1792 03:03:57,720 --> 03:04:00,560 talk more these items um kind of to give 1793 03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:02,640 a summary of the successes that we've 1794 03:04:02,640 --> 03:04:05,319 seen over the last uh than five years AP 1795 03:04:05,319 --> 03:04:07,760 parlitz it's been a unique program which 1796 03:04:07,760 --> 03:04:09,359 has created distinct characters of 1797 03:04:09,359 --> 03:04:12,960 Frisco's Main Street Frisco is the only 1798 03:04:12,960 --> 03:04:15,040 municipality in the area that has a 1799 03:04:15,040 --> 03:04:18,279 program like this um parklets um it's 1800 03:04:18,279 --> 03:04:20,319 increased business capacity in the busy 1801 03:04:20,319 --> 03:04:22,279 summer months along Main Street it's 1802 03:04:22,279 --> 03:04:24,319 created a vibrant and welcoming 1803 03:04:24,319 --> 03:04:26,520 atmosphere encourages Community 1804 03:04:26,520 --> 03:04:30,560 Connection supports Commerce um we're go 1805 03:04:30,560 --> 03:04:31,920 through the the challenges here in a 1806 03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:34,120 minute but as far as major issues or 1807 03:04:34,120 --> 03:04:36,920 unexpected issues we've really had not 1808 03:04:36,920 --> 03:04:38,760 many of those over its Five Seasons and 1809 03:04:38,760 --> 03:04:41,319 it's run fairly well and then it's 1810 03:04:41,319 --> 03:04:43,479 evolved with Community needs some 1811 03:04:43,479 --> 03:04:45,560 examples of these are adding different 1812 03:04:45,560 --> 03:04:48,359 railings uh installing them on site 1813 03:04:48,359 --> 03:04:50,439 trees you can see in the picture where 1814 03:04:50,439 --> 03:04:52,760 we've had murals on areas that are 1815 03:04:52,760 --> 03:04:54,720 difficult Park parking areas between 1816 03:04:54,720 --> 03:05:00,429 them so we've seen some changes over the 1817 03:05:00,439 --> 03:05:03,560 years some of the challenges we've had 1818 03:05:03,560 --> 03:05:05,160 first kind of an obvious one is I we 1819 03:05:05,160 --> 03:05:07,680 take up parking spaces difficult to give 1820 03:05:07,680 --> 03:05:09,520 an exact count on these because it 1821 03:05:09,520 --> 03:05:10,880 depends if they're in the parallel 1822 03:05:10,880 --> 03:05:13,399 spaces the head in spaces if they're 1823 03:05:13,399 --> 03:05:14,880 right against each other have little 1824 03:05:14,880 --> 03:05:16,359 spaces between them depending on the 1825 03:05:16,359 --> 03:05:19,680 businesses but roughly it's about a one: 1826 03:05:19,680 --> 03:05:21,680 one um parking spaces that you're losing 1827 03:05:21,680 --> 03:05:24,000 for how many parkes we put out in a 1828 03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:26,239 year uh then there's the maintenance 1829 03:05:26,239 --> 03:05:29,880 needs which we started discussing so far 1830 03:05:29,880 --> 03:05:31,479 what we're seeing is that the expenses 1831 03:05:31,479 --> 03:05:33,239 exceed the revenues we're bringing in 1832 03:05:33,239 --> 03:05:37,000 from it uh roughly $199,000 a year that 1833 03:05:37,000 --> 03:05:39,399 number includes both our hard cost you 1834 03:05:39,399 --> 03:05:41,680 know five years old they're stored 1835 03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:43,479 outside in the winter they don't have a 1836 03:05:43,479 --> 03:05:45,279 long lifespan so we're having to rebuild 1837 03:05:45,279 --> 03:05:47,000 a lot of these so we have the heart 1838 03:05:47,000 --> 03:05:49,560 Direct material cost of them and then we 1839 03:05:49,560 --> 03:05:52,279 have the labor and Equipment cost for 1840 03:05:52,279 --> 03:05:54,479 our staff to install them to maintain 1841 03:05:54,479 --> 03:05:56,399 them throughout the summer to store them 1842 03:05:56,399 --> 03:05:59,399 and then rebuild them winter and the 1843 03:05:59,399 --> 03:06:01,840 spring and then kind of this third point 1844 03:06:01,840 --> 03:06:03,439 is somewhat of an existing issue we have 1845 03:06:03,439 --> 03:06:05,760 on Main Street but it's worsened um in 1846 03:06:05,760 --> 03:06:09,920 these parklet areas and that is um kind 1847 03:06:09,920 --> 03:06:13,120 of uh issues along the sidewalks um 1848 03:06:13,120 --> 03:06:16,080 either between people putting seating 1849 03:06:16,080 --> 03:06:19,160 signage merchandise 1850 03:06:19,160 --> 03:06:20,680 they're at the edge of the sidewalk and 1851 03:06:20,680 --> 03:06:22,520 the sidewalk kind of expanding Beyond 1852 03:06:22,520 --> 03:06:24,399 those parklets you see that in some 1853 03:06:24,399 --> 03:06:25,800 areas where businesses don't have 1854 03:06:25,800 --> 03:06:28,040 parlets but it's little more prominent 1855 03:06:28,040 --> 03:06:29,600 where there already is one that that 1856 03:06:29,600 --> 03:06:31,760 space starts expanding and then it 1857 03:06:31,760 --> 03:06:33,600 encroaches into the sidewalk you get 1858 03:06:33,600 --> 03:06:37,080 pinch points areas that you might have 1859 03:06:37,080 --> 03:06:40,080 difficulty where we're not Eda access or 1860 03:06:40,080 --> 03:06:43,630 other maintenance 1861 03:06:43,640 --> 03:06:46,040 issues then this next one again is is 1862 03:06:46,040 --> 03:06:47,880 somewhat of an existing conflict that 1863 03:06:47,880 --> 03:06:50,680 gets worsened um Main Street especially 1864 03:06:50,680 --> 03:06:52,200 in the summer it's very busy between 1865 03:06:52,200 --> 03:06:54,760 Vehicles pedestrians parking and then 1866 03:06:54,760 --> 03:06:57,040 when we add parklets it's adding another 1867 03:06:57,040 --> 03:06:59,359 use kind of right near this vehicle and 1868 03:06:59,359 --> 03:07:00,880 parking 1869 03:07:00,880 --> 03:07:03,040 space parking and pedestrians and 1870 03:07:03,040 --> 03:07:04,840 vehicles it's you kind of all in one 1871 03:07:04,840 --> 03:07:07,840 zone there then we have the storage of 1872 03:07:07,840 --> 03:07:10,120 parklets um currently we store them in 1873 03:07:10,120 --> 03:07:12,040 the winter we remove them in the PA we 1874 03:07:12,040 --> 03:07:14,040 store them up at our Public Works Yard 1875 03:07:14,040 --> 03:07:15,239 up at the 1876 03:07:15,239 --> 03:07:17,800 P we have space where we store them but 1877 03:07:17,800 --> 03:07:19,600 you know it's valuable storage area and 1878 03:07:19,600 --> 03:07:21,760 it does does take up space to to keep 1879 03:07:21,760 --> 03:07:24,880 those through the win the spring and 1880 03:07:24,880 --> 03:07:26,479 then this last point is some feedback 1881 03:07:26,479 --> 03:07:29,000 that we've gotten um from the community 1882 03:07:29,000 --> 03:07:31,520 of some people stating that either they 1883 03:07:31,520 --> 03:07:33,960 appear messy or junky or that some of 1884 03:07:33,960 --> 03:07:36,279 them are passive use that aren't 1885 03:07:36,279 --> 03:07:38,200 necessarily a restaurant so you know 1886 03:07:38,200 --> 03:07:39,920 they sit BAC in and empty most of the 1887 03:07:39,920 --> 03:07:41,760 time and that doesn't necessarily 1888 03:07:41,760 --> 03:07:49,429 outweigh the Value Parking 1889 03:07:49,439 --> 03:07:51,479 so you we're discussing more than just 1890 03:07:51,479 --> 03:07:54,319 parklets here we want to discuss all 1891 03:07:54,319 --> 03:07:56,200 commercial use of right away within the 1892 03:07:56,200 --> 03:07:58,080 town so here's an example at Rebel 1893 03:07:58,080 --> 03:08:00,200 Sports this summer this is one where 1894 03:08:00,200 --> 03:08:02,279 we've licensed and approved it so very 1895 03:08:02,279 --> 03:08:04,000 similar process to having a parklet they 1896 03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:07,510 just don't actually use a 1897 03:08:07,520 --> 03:08:10,760 parlet off this area put bicycles out 1898 03:08:10,760 --> 03:08:13,640 there all a use on that through the 1899 03:08:13,640 --> 03:08:16,439 license agreement to the parets and it's 1900 03:08:16,439 --> 03:08:19,960 been exceptionally Ben because um Rebel 1901 03:08:19,960 --> 03:08:23,920 Sports has certainly increased their um 1902 03:08:23,920 --> 03:08:25,560 their amount of bikes that they have 1903 03:08:25,560 --> 03:08:27,479 available for rent but they've always 1904 03:08:27,479 --> 03:08:28,560 been 1905 03:08:28,560 --> 03:08:31,479 using since I've seen it been using Town 1906 03:08:31,479 --> 03:08:33,640 property Commerce because they haven't 1907 03:08:33,640 --> 03:08:35,479 had another place to put their rental 1908 03:08:35,479 --> 03:08:38,640 biks and so this has moved it off of 1909 03:08:38,640 --> 03:08:41,720 impeding the sidewalk um onto another 1910 03:08:41,720 --> 03:08:44,680 space and I would say I also see in the 1911 03:08:44,680 --> 03:08:46,600 summer that people are spending a lot of 1912 03:08:46,600 --> 03:08:48,239 time going across the sidewalk 1913 03:08:48,239 --> 03:08:50,239 occasionally standing there or a lot of 1914 03:08:50,239 --> 03:08:53,160 times standing there with their bikes um 1915 03:08:53,160 --> 03:08:55,319 there's still some stuff that happens 1916 03:08:55,319 --> 03:08:58,680 that is challenging but it certainly 1917 03:08:58,680 --> 03:09:01,239 feels a lot better than blocking 1918 03:09:01,239 --> 03:09:04,120 regularly and permanently or at least 1919 03:09:04,120 --> 03:09:06,120 through the summer blocking the sidewalk 1920 03:09:06,120 --> 03:09:12,950 with bikes having in this 1921 03:09:12,960 --> 03:09:15,680 area this a picture is an example of an 1922 03:09:15,680 --> 03:09:17,680 area where we have an uh normal 1923 03:09:17,680 --> 03:09:20,080 unlicensed use of town property so we 1924 03:09:20,080 --> 03:09:22,399 have been seeing some of these in areas 1925 03:09:22,399 --> 03:09:24,680 with parklets and without parklets so 1926 03:09:24,680 --> 03:09:27,120 here's wor some seating that's not 1927 03:09:27,120 --> 03:09:29,160 necessarily directly in the sidewalk but 1928 03:09:29,160 --> 03:09:30,680 it's right at the edge of the sidewalk 1929 03:09:30,680 --> 03:09:32,239 it's right near 1930 03:09:32,239 --> 03:09:34,960 parking kind of per our town code we 1931 03:09:34,960 --> 03:09:36,960 state that any obstructions or 1932 03:09:36,960 --> 03:09:38,720 improvements in the right way need to be 1933 03:09:38,720 --> 03:09:41,880 licensed or permitted um and so you've 1934 03:09:41,880 --> 03:09:44,000 see more examples whether it's seating 1935 03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:44,920 whether it's 1936 03:09:44,920 --> 03:09:48,200 signage other items that we get placed 1937 03:09:48,200 --> 03:09:50,560 in the right way by 1938 03:09:50,560 --> 03:09:52,760 businesses either haven't been licensing 1939 03:09:52,760 --> 03:09:54,080 it or we haven't necessarily been 1940 03:09:54,080 --> 03:09:58,229 enforcing 1941 03:09:58,239 --> 03:10:02,040 it so there's a few scenarios here um 1942 03:10:02,040 --> 03:10:03,760 you know these are kind of coming now 1943 03:10:03,760 --> 03:10:05,560 for two reasons one is you know we 1944 03:10:05,560 --> 03:10:07,720 talking about we've got some feedback of 1945 03:10:07,720 --> 03:10:10,399 you know positive and negative now that 1946 03:10:10,399 --> 03:10:11,960 the parklets are about five years old 1947 03:10:11,960 --> 03:10:13,359 we're having to do heavier maintenance 1948 03:10:13,359 --> 03:10:14,960 to them we're having to rebuild a lot of 1949 03:10:14,960 --> 03:10:16,880 them we're budgeting more dollars each 1950 03:10:16,880 --> 03:10:19,800 year to kind do a full reconstruction of 1951 03:10:19,800 --> 03:10:22,319 several of these so figured it's time to 1952 03:10:22,319 --> 03:10:23,920 kind of look at the program and 1953 03:10:23,920 --> 03:10:26,000 determine if we want to keep going as we 1954 03:10:26,000 --> 03:10:28,960 have been or making any changes to it so 1955 03:10:28,960 --> 03:10:30,880 kind of as outline of packet we we show 1956 03:10:30,880 --> 03:10:34,239 four options so option one would be 1957 03:10:34,239 --> 03:10:36,279 continuing this program with no change 1958 03:10:36,279 --> 03:10:37,840 would be the same program of Public 1959 03:10:37,840 --> 03:10:40,080 Works tourism in the winter we charge a 1960 03:10:40,080 --> 03:10:44,040 fee we license them install them early 1961 03:10:44,040 --> 03:10:47,479 summer you take them away in October 1962 03:10:47,479 --> 03:10:49,439 keep doing that program allow any 1963 03:10:49,439 --> 03:10:51,359 business on Main Street or site streets 1964 03:10:51,359 --> 03:10:54,200 of Jason to to install them and can I 1965 03:10:54,200 --> 03:10:57,479 add something before so um it would be a 1966 03:10:57,479 --> 03:11:00,200 pretty heavy lift to ask Public Works to 1967 03:11:00,200 --> 03:11:03,279 also administer the program um it's a 1968 03:11:03,279 --> 03:11:06,319 lot so uh our our department actually 1969 03:11:06,319 --> 03:11:08,520 does it Jessica dust do has taken the 1970 03:11:08,520 --> 03:11:13,760 lead on that so we text we email we call 1971 03:11:13,760 --> 03:11:16,120 um to get the license agree first to get 1972 03:11:16,120 --> 03:11:18,359 um businesses who may be interested to 1973 03:11:18,359 --> 03:11:20,640 find out whether or not they're going to 1974 03:11:20,640 --> 03:11:22,200 um participate in the parklet program 1975 03:11:22,200 --> 03:11:24,840 but then also to get a license agreement 1976 03:11:24,840 --> 03:11:28,120 um to get the fees and then also 1977 03:11:28,120 --> 03:11:30,319 Certificate of Insurance and then we 1978 03:11:30,319 --> 03:11:33,640 work with um Finance depend out make 1979 03:11:33,640 --> 03:11:35,120 sure that their business licenses 1980 03:11:35,120 --> 03:11:37,160 current we work with the clerk's office 1981 03:11:37,160 --> 03:11:40,120 to make sure um that we understand 1982 03:11:40,120 --> 03:11:41,880 whether or not we planning to extend 1983 03:11:41,880 --> 03:11:44,359 their liquor license on it we work with 1984 03:11:44,359 --> 03:11:46,120 Community Development to make sure that 1985 03:11:46,120 --> 03:11:47,840 they have no outstanding 1986 03:11:47,840 --> 03:11:51,960 um building permit or other issues so we 1987 03:11:51,960 --> 03:11:54,200 we administer that part of the program 1988 03:11:54,200 --> 03:11:56,600 and then provide the map to with the 1989 03:11:56,600 --> 03:11:58,479 help of Community Development um to 1990 03:11:58,479 --> 03:12:01,640 Public Works and Public Works 1991 03:12:01,640 --> 03:12:03,399 Lance thank 1992 03:12:03,399 --> 03:12:05,800 you um and then we have option two here 1993 03:12:05,800 --> 03:12:07,760 so this would be either adding use 1994 03:12:07,760 --> 03:12:10,760 restrictions and or increasing fees so 1995 03:12:10,760 --> 03:12:12,960 use restrictions would look like you 1996 03:12:12,960 --> 03:12:14,720 know one example would 1997 03:12:14,720 --> 03:12:17,359 be arlets would only be permitted to say 1998 03:12:17,359 --> 03:12:18,800 restaurants or bars and then some of 1999 03:12:18,800 --> 03:12:21,279 those other uses showing earlier 2000 03:12:21,279 --> 03:12:22,800 wouldn't be allowed that's just one 2001 03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:25,640 example kind a use restriction the idea 2002 03:12:25,640 --> 03:12:28,840 if that were pursued would be reduce the 2003 03:12:28,840 --> 03:12:30,160 number of 2004 03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:32,800 parklets could help reduce the amount of 2005 03:12:32,800 --> 03:12:35,000 kind of those inactivated parklets that 2006 03:12:35,000 --> 03:12:36,600 that are out there and taking up parking 2007 03:12:36,600 --> 03:12:39,960 but really not use much the summer uh 2008 03:12:39,960 --> 03:12:41,279 kind of the other alternative would be 2009 03:12:41,279 --> 03:12:43,439 increasing fees um this could have a 2010 03:12:43,439 --> 03:12:46,080 similar effect you know we did a a fe 2011 03:12:46,080 --> 03:12:50,750 increases last year didn't see L 2012 03:12:50,760 --> 03:12:54,120 production look at larger fee increases 2013 03:12:54,120 --> 03:12:57,160 to kind of reduce some of those um 2014 03:12:57,160 --> 03:12:59,920 inactivated unused ones as well as to 2015 03:12:59,920 --> 03:13:02,319 kind of help um at least reduce the 2016 03:13:02,319 --> 03:13:04,840 deficit that we seeing what it's costing 2017 03:13:04,840 --> 03:13:06,800 the Town versus 2018 03:13:06,800 --> 03:13:09,000 what and then kind of one other item 2019 03:13:09,000 --> 03:13:11,319 that was mentioned in the memo is that 2020 03:13:11,319 --> 03:13:13,600 currently the sanitation district is 2021 03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:15,560 looking if we continue the program they 2022 03:13:15,560 --> 03:13:17,479 would charge their own fees on top of 2023 03:13:17,479 --> 03:13:20,840 our fees they have you know a new 2024 03:13:20,840 --> 03:13:23,200 restaurant gets constructed tap fees 2025 03:13:23,200 --> 03:13:24,680 that they charge based on the seating 2026 03:13:24,680 --> 03:13:26,239 capacity or the square footage of the 2027 03:13:26,239 --> 03:13:28,720 building what they're seeing is this is 2028 03:13:28,720 --> 03:13:31,840 creating a semi-permanent increase in 2029 03:13:31,840 --> 03:13:34,399 these businesses they're increasing the 2030 03:13:34,399 --> 03:13:36,920 water and sewer usage but they didn't 2031 03:13:36,920 --> 03:13:38,920 pay for that additional capacity so 2032 03:13:38,920 --> 03:13:40,600 they're looking at something that since 2033 03:13:40,600 --> 03:13:41,960 these still aren't kind of trly 2034 03:13:41,960 --> 03:13:44,160 permanent um they're looking at 2035 03:13:44,160 --> 03:13:45,439 something that would be kind of an 2036 03:13:45,439 --> 03:13:48,560 annual each year would kind of just be 2037 03:13:48,560 --> 03:13:49,920 percentage wouldn't be that full amount 2038 03:13:49,920 --> 03:13:51,160 of that top 2039 03:13:51,160 --> 03:13:53,640 fee they're looking at doing that the 2040 03:13:53,640 --> 03:13:55,840 town could also look at doing kind of a 2041 03:13:55,840 --> 03:13:57,640 similar model whether we roll that into 2042 03:13:57,640 --> 03:13:59,560 our fees or kind of charge a separate Fe 2043 03:13:59,560 --> 03:14:01,800 with it where we're kind of charging a 2044 03:14:01,800 --> 03:14:03,600 kind of an annual water tap Fe 2045 03:14:03,600 --> 03:14:07,720 essentially for this additional capacity 2046 03:14:07,720 --> 03:14:10,800 toist and then option three would be a 2047 03:14:10,800 --> 03:14:13,600 business supply Park Li program so this 2048 03:14:13,600 --> 03:14:16,600 would look like Public Works would get 2049 03:14:16,600 --> 03:14:18,760 rid of all parklets we wouldn't Supply 2050 03:14:18,760 --> 03:14:20,600 maintain store any of the parklets and 2051 03:14:20,600 --> 03:14:22,520 this option we would just regulate 2052 03:14:22,520 --> 03:14:25,239 businesses um to install and maintain 2053 03:14:25,239 --> 03:14:28,760 their own so they would um build or 2054 03:14:28,760 --> 03:14:30,439 recure their own they would put them out 2055 03:14:30,439 --> 03:14:31,760 they would have to store them that we 2056 03:14:31,760 --> 03:14:33,399 would have permits that you know could 2057 03:14:33,399 --> 03:14:36,279 put restrictions on size and drainage 2058 03:14:36,279 --> 03:14:39,279 and different items like that um you 2059 03:14:39,279 --> 03:14:41,760 know if we pursued option three we 2060 03:14:41,760 --> 03:14:43,239 believe this would probably reduce the 2061 03:14:43,239 --> 03:14:44,960 amount of parklets quite a bit just due 2062 03:14:44,960 --> 03:14:47,399 to the cost of creating them to find 2063 03:14:47,399 --> 03:14:50,399 Space to store them to install 2064 03:14:50,399 --> 03:14:54,000 them then we have option four so option 2065 03:14:54,000 --> 03:14:56,880 four is that would just be eliminating 2066 03:14:56,880 --> 03:14:58,479 the parkl 2067 03:14:58,479 --> 03:15:01,520 program these were kind of started 2068 03:15:01,520 --> 03:15:03,600 around the pandemic so the option four 2069 03:15:03,600 --> 03:15:05,479 would just kind of be going back to a 2070 03:15:05,479 --> 03:15:08,239 pre- pandemic condition right away which 2071 03:15:08,239 --> 03:15:11,279 just be used for parking Vehicles 2072 03:15:11,279 --> 03:15:15,640 Mobility would have commercial uses in 2073 03:15:15,640 --> 03:15:20,910 option 2074 03:15:20,920 --> 03:15:23,479 so now we have um list of questions for 2075 03:15:23,479 --> 03:15:26,640 you B part the program and based on 2076 03:15:26,640 --> 03:15:28,680 commercial use in the right away so I 2077 03:15:28,680 --> 03:15:30,600 guess the first question is is Council 2078 03:15:30,600 --> 03:15:33,479 support of use of town property 2079 03:15:33,479 --> 03:15:36,760 for this would be looking generally 2080 03:15:36,760 --> 03:15:42,469 arlit some of those examples 2081 03:15:42,479 --> 03:15:49,110 like are we just going down the list 2082 03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:50,640 list Chris I was going to take your four 2083 03:15:50,640 --> 03:15:52,080 questions but now that seems to have 2084 03:15:52,080 --> 03:15:54,319 Mort into approximately six or eight 2085 03:15:54,319 --> 03:15:56,359 questions I can run through them all if 2086 03:15:56,359 --> 03:15:58,760 you want right now I guess the first if 2087 03:15:58,760 --> 03:16:04,510 you say no to 2088 03:16:04,520 --> 03:16:07,439 the 2089 03:16:07,439 --> 03:16:12,600 so way I mean as anyone please Andy 2090 03:16:12,600 --> 03:16:15,720 thanks yeah yeah 2091 03:16:15,720 --> 03:16:21,150 uh okay okay so 2092 03:16:21,160 --> 03:16:24,800 um so yes this was a pandemic thing and 2093 03:16:24,800 --> 03:16:28,080 yes it was a prominade uh situation and 2094 03:16:28,080 --> 03:16:29,800 then it was beyond the prominade 2095 03:16:29,800 --> 03:16:33,520 situation I gotta say that this is an 2096 03:16:33,520 --> 03:16:35,640 Incredible use of 2097 03:16:35,640 --> 03:16:40,199 space uh it activates our Main Street uh 2098 03:16:40,199 --> 03:16:42,720 you know before you take away all the 2099 03:16:42,720 --> 03:16:45,199 parklets where is there anywhere for 2100 03:16:45,199 --> 03:16:47,560 anyone to sit on Main Street 2101 03:16:47,560 --> 03:16:50,640 other than at the coffee shop right like 2102 03:16:50,640 --> 03:16:54,600 this is an activation of space uh 2103 03:16:54,600 --> 03:16:57,560 partially uh which partially should be 2104 03:16:57,560 --> 03:17:00,760 taken on by the town but uh you know 2105 03:17:00,760 --> 03:17:03,560 these things cost money and people are 2106 03:17:03,560 --> 03:17:06,800 making money with these and so we should 2107 03:17:06,800 --> 03:17:09,720 charge accordingly for them whatever it 2108 03:17:09,720 --> 03:17:12,359 costs should go onto the businesses if 2109 03:17:12,359 --> 03:17:14,600 you want a parklet then you got to pay 2110 03:17:14,600 --> 03:17:17,319 the cost for the parklet you know that 2111 03:17:17,319 --> 03:17:19,520 that's you know obviously for somebody 2112 03:17:19,520 --> 03:17:21,840 like the butter horn no skin off their 2113 03:17:21,840 --> 03:17:25,640 back for somebody like uh I don't know 2114 03:17:25,640 --> 03:17:28,399 the bookstore you know maybe that costs 2115 03:17:28,399 --> 03:17:31,120 a little more but it activates a great 2116 03:17:31,120 --> 03:17:35,560 space uh for the bookstore as well 2117 03:17:35,560 --> 03:17:39,199 um uh you know I I think no way do you 2118 03:17:39,199 --> 03:17:41,359 put this in the hands of businesses as 2119 03:17:41,359 --> 03:17:44,040 far as to provide their own talk about 2120 03:17:44,040 --> 03:17:47,000 junkie you'll end up with 15 different 2121 03:17:47,000 --> 03:17:50,800 crappy parklets all over town uh we 2122 03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:52,640 definitely don't need to light them 2123 03:17:52,640 --> 03:17:54,359 because we have nothing going on at 2124 03:17:54,359 --> 03:17:58,199 night nor do we want uh uh light 2125 03:17:58,199 --> 03:18:00,680 pollution going on uh you know 2126 03:18:00,680 --> 03:18:02,439 throughout the night is our new 2127 03:18:02,439 --> 03:18:06,359 direction right uh so I think can I cut 2128 03:18:06,359 --> 03:18:08,880 cut in I'm hearing you support the use 2129 03:18:08,880 --> 03:18:12,040 of the Town use of property for whether 2130 03:18:12,040 --> 03:18:15,040 it be commercial use or parket is that 2131 03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:16,960 correct yes if you want me to end there 2132 03:18:16,960 --> 03:18:20,239 I will otherwise I'll keep going I think 2133 03:18:20,239 --> 03:18:22,760 we'll have more opportunity right um 2134 03:18:22,760 --> 03:18:26,880 anyone else does anyone else not support 2135 03:18:26,880 --> 03:18:30,640 the use of town right away and or 2136 03:18:30,640 --> 03:18:33,319 parklet usage on Main 2137 03:18:33,319 --> 03:18:36,680 Street I don't you don't support it I 2138 03:18:36,680 --> 03:18:39,479 don't okay do I should I give a reason 2139 03:18:39,479 --> 03:18:42,000 why sure um I think there's a lot of 2140 03:18:42,000 --> 03:18:44,880 reasons why I think it makes Main Street 2141 03:18:44,880 --> 03:18:47,239 more dangerous 2142 03:18:47,239 --> 03:18:50,560 um I'm concerned about ADA access and 2143 03:18:50,560 --> 03:18:53,279 the safety of people moving through our 2144 03:18:53,279 --> 03:18:56,920 town in a safe way 2145 03:18:56,920 --> 03:18:59,840 um I mean I could go on and on but you 2146 03:18:59,840 --> 03:19:02,199 know there are places in town there's 2147 03:19:02,199 --> 03:19:04,239 several restaurants that already have 2148 03:19:04,239 --> 03:19:07,479 patios the Uptown has a rooft deck there 2149 03:19:07,479 --> 03:19:09,560 are places in our community that people 2150 03:19:09,560 --> 03:19:12,720 can sit outside and eat um Fifth Avenue 2151 03:19:12,720 --> 03:19:16,120 has a patio balis and and bread and salt 2152 03:19:16,120 --> 03:19:18,960 patio as a to me that's like going into 2153 03:19:18,960 --> 03:19:21,359 a capitalist mindset that's a business 2154 03:19:21,359 --> 03:19:23,640 advantage that people pay a mortgage for 2155 03:19:23,640 --> 03:19:26,000 or they're paying rent to have these 2156 03:19:26,000 --> 03:19:31,439 amenities for their business um and I I 2157 03:19:31,439 --> 03:19:33,560 think that going back to just a pre 2158 03:19:33,560 --> 03:19:36,680 pandemic Main Street you know we have 2159 03:19:36,680 --> 03:19:37,920 parking 2160 03:19:37,920 --> 03:19:41,600 issues um somebody got a parking ticket 2161 03:19:41,600 --> 03:19:44,000 because the sign for three-hour parking 2162 03:19:44,000 --> 03:19:46,760 was covered up by a parklet and all the 2163 03:19:46,760 --> 03:19:48,279 stuff on the parklet so the people 2164 03:19:48,279 --> 03:19:50,680 couldn't even see the signage for 2165 03:19:50,680 --> 03:19:53,239 parking and so they got a ticket I think 2166 03:19:53,239 --> 03:19:56,560 that all got resolved but I think it man 2167 03:19:56,560 --> 03:19:58,199 just going down Main Street it is 2168 03:19:58,199 --> 03:20:01,080 dangerous like I I cannot I will not 2169 03:20:01,080 --> 03:20:04,359 take my kids down Main Street on a bike 2170 03:20:04,359 --> 03:20:07,960 there's no way and so for me it almost 2171 03:20:07,960 --> 03:20:11,120 limits my use of taking my family to 2172 03:20:11,120 --> 03:20:13,800 Main Street like I have to rely on side 2173 03:20:13,800 --> 03:20:16,040 streets um if we're going to be on a 2174 03:20:16,040 --> 03:20:17,720 bike 2175 03:20:17,720 --> 03:20:20,600 yeah thanks for the inro sorry you have 2176 03:20:20,600 --> 03:20:23,080 to go down the side street well I mean 2177 03:20:23,080 --> 03:20:24,560 at least we have one but you know what 2178 03:20:24,560 --> 03:20:27,840 I'm saying I do I do anyone 2179 03:20:27,840 --> 03:20:32,680 else I'm on the BS um I'm adding to as 2180 03:20:32,680 --> 03:20:35,239 we consider the conversation that for 2181 03:20:35,239 --> 03:20:38,269 the next three 2182 03:20:38,279 --> 03:20:40,800 years I70 interchange is going to be 2183 03:20:40,800 --> 03:20:43,319 under construction which is going to 2184 03:20:43,319 --> 03:20:47,399 create traffic flow differences and also 2185 03:20:47,399 --> 03:20:49,000 whenever it is that we decide we're 2186 03:20:49,000 --> 03:20:51,359 doing Granite it's going to create 2187 03:20:51,359 --> 03:20:52,640 traffic flow difference so I'm just 2188 03:20:52,640 --> 03:20:53,960 adding to the complexity of the 2189 03:20:53,960 --> 03:20:56,160 conversation yeah I love the activation 2190 03:20:56,160 --> 03:20:59,439 of the street it's well used which leads 2191 03:20:59,439 --> 03:21:01,760 to it being 2192 03:21:01,760 --> 03:21:04,080 popular but it's as we start talking 2193 03:21:04,080 --> 03:21:06,880 about investing real dollars to rebuild 2194 03:21:06,880 --> 03:21:09,040 what we got effectively for free five 2195 03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:09,800 years 2196 03:21:09,800 --> 03:21:12,760 ago it's just complicated I'm not sure 2197 03:21:12,760 --> 03:21:15,080 where I 2198 03:21:15,080 --> 03:21:18,800 support all Bo I have any more but we'll 2199 03:21:18,800 --> 03:21:20,720 wait till things that's perfect yeah I'm 2200 03:21:20,720 --> 03:21:23,040 supportive and obviously we'll dig in as 2201 03:21:23,040 --> 03:21:27,189 we go down the question 2202 03:21:27,199 --> 03:21:29,800 to yeah next question should parkes be 2203 03:21:29,800 --> 03:21:32,319 made available for Commerce if so should 2204 03:21:32,319 --> 03:21:34,399 one of the alternative options that we 2205 03:21:34,399 --> 03:21:36,880 just discussed or different option that 2206 03:21:36,880 --> 03:21:44,389 wasn't listed replace the 2207 03:21:44,399 --> 03:21:48,790 current yes go 2208 03:21:48,800 --> 03:21:52,199 back here if there's any other ideas 2209 03:21:52,199 --> 03:21:53,160 that you 2210 03:21:53,160 --> 03:21:56,120 have discuss this could I maybe help 2211 03:21:56,120 --> 03:21:59,199 with this is anyone on option 2212 03:21:59,199 --> 03:22:02,160 one or we do need to make a change no 2213 03:22:02,160 --> 03:22:03,560 change is not where we want to live is 2214 03:22:03,560 --> 03:22:06,199 that right I'm just asking the cool 2215 03:22:06,199 --> 03:22:09,479 option four is that where we're at at 2216 03:22:09,479 --> 03:22:12,439 least for the majority of the 2217 03:22:12,439 --> 03:22:15,920 group no just asking so then we're back 2218 03:22:15,920 --> 03:22:17,040 to Chris 2219 03:22:17,040 --> 03:22:22,590 helpful two or 2220 03:22:22,600 --> 03:22:25,319 three not three cool thanks 2221 03:22:25,319 --> 03:22:29,120 Andy I I agree with not three I yeah so 2222 03:22:29,120 --> 03:22:31,720 I think we're looking at 2223 03:22:31,720 --> 03:22:33,600 two option 2224 03:22:33,600 --> 03:22:35,920 two let's thr some stuff 2225 03:22:35,920 --> 03:22:39,960 out so let's th are we three then are we 2226 03:22:39,960 --> 03:22:43,680 feeling good sorry two 2227 03:22:43,680 --> 03:22:47,560 two okay so I think B 2228 03:22:47,560 --> 03:22:50,120 easiest way one of the easiest questions 2229 03:22:50,120 --> 03:22:52,880 here let's go back to the pros and 2230 03:22:52,880 --> 03:22:56,520 cons the parket and 2231 03:22:56,520 --> 03:23:02,950 then accentuate the pr and 2232 03:23:02,960 --> 03:23:05,399 eliminate so going back to the pros here 2233 03:23:05,399 --> 03:23:07,439 we have the increased business 2234 03:23:07,439 --> 03:23:10,279 capacity the unique experience we have 2235 03:23:10,279 --> 03:23:13,640 the uniform look of all the pars being 2236 03:23:13,640 --> 03:23:16,920 the same hybrid the atmosphere we're 2237 03:23:16,920 --> 03:23:20,880 just connections Commerce do major 2238 03:23:20,880 --> 03:23:25,070 issues 2239 03:23:25,080 --> 03:23:28,520 and you know the increased business 2240 03:23:28,520 --> 03:23:31,479 capacity 2241 03:23:31,479 --> 03:23:34,640 is it's not there because people want to 2242 03:23:34,640 --> 03:23:38,319 sit outside so the restaurant's empty 2243 03:23:38,319 --> 03:23:40,040 but everybody wants to sit out you know 2244 03:23:40,040 --> 03:23:41,800 it's a beautiful day people well we want 2245 03:23:41,800 --> 03:23:43,600 to S out we don't have a see out there 2246 03:23:43,600 --> 03:23:46,040 okay we're going somewhere else you know 2247 03:23:46,040 --> 03:23:48,640 so a lot of that that's is my experience 2248 03:23:48,640 --> 03:23:50,760 in the restaurants you know CU people 2249 03:23:50,760 --> 03:23:53,760 want to sit outside could it possibly be 2250 03:23:53,760 --> 03:23:55,239 a little bit different I think it 2251 03:23:55,239 --> 03:23:57,720 depends on the restaurant like butter 2252 03:23:57,720 --> 03:24:00,840 kingdom is an example yeah that's I 2253 03:24:00,840 --> 03:24:03,520 would say you know and I don't know I 2254 03:24:03,520 --> 03:24:05,640 don't know on there's Breakfast you know 2255 03:24:05,640 --> 03:24:07,319 it's I've seen it full 2256 03:24:07,319 --> 03:24:10,720 inside yeah they they probably do F 2257 03:24:10,720 --> 03:24:13,439 their capacity prob okay I think ours 2258 03:24:13,439 --> 03:24:16,479 isn't isn't as much yeah you get people 2259 03:24:16,479 --> 03:24:19,640 in the bar so you'll get people outside 2260 03:24:19,640 --> 03:24:23,439 on the patio and in the bar back of the 2261 03:24:23,439 --> 03:24:27,800 restaurants you know so uh it it does 2262 03:24:27,800 --> 03:24:29,520 increase some 2263 03:24:29,520 --> 03:24:32,600 businesses does it increase like instead 2264 03:24:32,600 --> 03:24:35,520 of capacity could we say Advantage 2265 03:24:35,520 --> 03:24:37,239 increased business 2266 03:24:37,239 --> 03:24:40,840 advantage to make money I mean if you 2267 03:24:40,840 --> 03:24:43,600 choose not to get 2268 03:24:43,600 --> 03:24:46,960 one never mind that was 2269 03:24:46,960 --> 03:24:47,880 and I think that's kind of under 2270 03:24:47,880 --> 03:24:49,680 supports Commerce is that yeah even if 2271 03:24:49,680 --> 03:24:52,080 it's not increasing capacity maybe it is 2272 03:24:52,080 --> 03:24:55,680 increasing Commerce it's a nice 2273 03:24:55,680 --> 03:24:59,239 day you definitely get more for outside 2274 03:24:59,239 --> 03:25:02,720 so yeah is increasing business because 2275 03:25:02,720 --> 03:25:07,319 even before we had the patio I manag 2276 03:25:07,319 --> 03:25:09,840 people 2277 03:25:09,840 --> 03:25:14,309 outside 2278 03:25:14,319 --> 03:25:17,840 so yeah it's a definite 2279 03:25:17,840 --> 03:25:20,800 Advantage uh you know whoever utilizes 2280 03:25:20,800 --> 03:25:23,479 it well you know especially for the 2281 03:25:23,479 --> 03:25:26,000 restaurants you because like you know 2282 03:25:26,000 --> 03:25:27,720 for a real estate agent they're just 2283 03:25:27,720 --> 03:25:29,560 looking to draw people in for them to 2284 03:25:29,560 --> 03:25:32,520 sit for no reason at all and you know 2285 03:25:32,520 --> 03:25:35,000 like there it's hard to say an Roi for a 2286 03:25:35,000 --> 03:25:38,120 real estate uh company as compared to 2287 03:25:38,120 --> 03:25:40,600 the butter horn right the butter horn 2288 03:25:40,600 --> 03:25:43,600 packs those things inside and out all 2289 03:25:43,600 --> 03:25:44,560 summer 2290 03:25:44,560 --> 03:25:46,920 long uh and 2291 03:25:46,920 --> 03:25:50,600 you know that's my two 2292 03:25:50,600 --> 03:25:54,479 cents easier way some changes would be 2293 03:25:54,479 --> 03:25:57,880 increase in fees to cover 2294 03:25:57,880 --> 03:26:01,199 expenses that is there support for that 2295 03:26:01,199 --> 03:26:03,840 has there been a calculation on what the 2296 03:26:03,840 --> 03:26:07,520 true cost on average would be like is it 2297 03:26:07,520 --> 03:26:10,680 going to double that that rate is by 2298 03:26:10,680 --> 03:26:15,479 10% I mean 14,000 and change versus 2299 03:26:15,479 --> 03:26:19,199 19,000 and change for 19,000 and change 2300 03:26:19,199 --> 03:26:20,080 are the 2301 03:26:20,080 --> 03:26:22,520 expenses you've said and then 2302 03:26:22,520 --> 03:26:26,479 14,400 I believe is what the fees were 2303 03:26:26,479 --> 03:26:29,439 year this year in terms of who chose we 2304 03:26:29,439 --> 03:26:31,120 know what that would cost on average per 2305 03:26:31,120 --> 03:26:34,160 park it stayed the same without Chang 2306 03:26:34,160 --> 03:26:36,399 well we're showing the total cost is in 2307 03:26:36,399 --> 03:26:39,199 the it's 30 some thousand we had I think 2308 03:26:39,199 --> 03:26:42,239 39 parklets last year so we'd be looking 2309 03:26:42,239 --> 03:26:44,640 at closer to less than this but closer 2310 03:26:44,640 --> 03:26:47,000 to $1,000 a parklet on that that so it's 2311 03:26:47,000 --> 03:26:48,920 PR significant changed there is 2312 03:26:48,920 --> 03:26:50,880 precedent of um you I was looking up 2313 03:26:50,880 --> 03:26:52,279 other municipalities and there's ones 2314 03:26:52,279 --> 03:26:53,439 that charge a th000 there's something 2315 03:26:53,439 --> 03:26:56,439 that charge $2,000 for a park l so there 2316 03:26:56,439 --> 03:26:57,960 are other places that charge 2317 03:26:57,960 --> 03:26:59,600 significantly more than we are but it 2318 03:26:59,600 --> 03:27:02,120 would be change I'll be I'll be quick 2319 03:27:02,120 --> 03:27:04,279 with this in my view the town subsidized 2320 03:27:04,279 --> 03:27:07,319 it through Co or through after all that 2321 03:27:07,319 --> 03:27:10,199 stuff and that's fantastic good thing 2322 03:27:10,199 --> 03:27:11,640 town to do now that we're looking at is 2323 03:27:11,640 --> 03:27:13,840 maybe a permanent structure at this 2324 03:27:13,840 --> 03:27:16,680 point I don't see a reason why taxpayers 2325 03:27:16,680 --> 03:27:18,600 to 2326 03:27:18,600 --> 03:27:21,479 subsidize for for the business so I 2327 03:27:21,479 --> 03:27:24,160 would say those fees need to increase 2328 03:27:24,160 --> 03:27:26,760 what the cost is especially given the 2329 03:27:26,760 --> 03:27:28,960 heavy 2330 03:27:28,960 --> 03:27:32,040 bur do we know what the Sans district is 2331 03:27:32,040 --> 03:27:34,319 going to charge they had mentioned 2332 03:27:34,319 --> 03:27:36,319 something based on 2333 03:27:36,319 --> 03:27:38,840 capacity they haven't determined what 2334 03:27:38,840 --> 03:27:42,040 exactly that would be saying some kind 2335 03:27:42,040 --> 03:27:46,279 of I think we discuss 2336 03:27:46,279 --> 03:27:49,960 I was P I guess by Matt in the s's 2337 03:27:49,960 --> 03:27:52,840 district and he was just asking me 2338 03:27:52,840 --> 03:27:54,880 personally and I probably you know I'm 2339 03:27:54,880 --> 03:27:56,880 going to leave out the details of that 2340 03:27:56,880 --> 03:27:59,640 number that he had said they were going 2341 03:27:59,640 --> 03:28:01,239 to charge because you know it was in a 2342 03:28:01,239 --> 03:28:04,000 passing conversation but it was 2343 03:28:04,000 --> 03:28:07,560 significant enough for me to not do it 2344 03:28:07,560 --> 03:28:10,800 um based on that but you know I'm not 2345 03:28:10,800 --> 03:28:14,920 the butter horn so I don't have you know 2346 03:28:14,920 --> 03:28:16,720 I'm not packing my 2347 03:28:16,720 --> 03:28:19,160 so I don't think it would be worth it 2348 03:28:19,160 --> 03:28:22,920 for me to do it um yeah I think that fee 2349 03:28:22,920 --> 03:28:25,640 will be 2350 03:28:25,640 --> 03:28:28,199 significant significant enough to sway 2351 03:28:28,199 --> 03:28:31,080 your mind I guess just a clarifying 2352 03:28:31,080 --> 03:28:34,720 question Chris is when we worked out the 2353 03:28:34,720 --> 03:28:38,439 costs did that factor in person hours of 2354 03:28:38,439 --> 03:28:40,760 install and ex yes that's our person 2355 03:28:40,760 --> 03:28:42,399 labor hours that put some equipment 2356 03:28:42,399 --> 03:28:45,160 hours to it puts all the soft and hard 2357 03:28:45,160 --> 03:28:46,640 cost 2358 03:28:46,640 --> 03:28:49,000 curiosity there but then I'll come back 2359 03:28:49,000 --> 03:28:51,760 to like I can't like we have to cover 2360 03:28:51,760 --> 03:28:55,760 our costs so I I I believe these have to 2361 03:28:55,760 --> 03:28:58,840 have to match whatever we're putting out 2362 03:28:58,840 --> 03:29:01,439 for it and going with what where Martin 2363 03:29:01,439 --> 03:29:02,800 is like 2364 03:29:02,800 --> 03:29:05,479 we right we we have the ability to 2365 03:29:05,479 --> 03:29:08,239 charge fees for services that we're 2366 03:29:08,239 --> 03:29:11,600 providing now we're not covering the 2367 03:29:11,600 --> 03:29:14,080 costs like that I want to cover the 2368 03:29:14,080 --> 03:29:20,030 costs I'll just leave it at that 2369 03:29:20,040 --> 03:29:22,080 that's fair and then you we'd have to 2370 03:29:22,080 --> 03:29:24,720 consider you know higher cost means 2371 03:29:24,720 --> 03:29:27,479 there would end up being less parklets 2372 03:29:27,479 --> 03:29:30,479 and then the cost changes on the 2373 03:29:30,479 --> 03:29:33,600 parklets because we're not having to do 2374 03:29:33,600 --> 03:29:36,120 30 of them right it's going to end up 2375 03:29:36,120 --> 03:29:39,199 being fewer and and just along of 2376 03:29:39,199 --> 03:29:40,920 Elizabeth's lines you know there are a 2377 03:29:40,920 --> 03:29:44,040 few businesses for sure like say bread 2378 03:29:44,040 --> 03:29:46,199 and salt and Bales you know they pay pay 2379 03:29:46,199 --> 03:29:48,319 for two spaces on Main Street they don't 2380 03:29:48,319 --> 03:29:50,199 love the parklets I I just thought I'd 2381 03:29:50,199 --> 03:29:52,760 throw that out too uh it's not how I 2382 03:29:52,760 --> 03:29:55,399 feel about it but some restaurants are 2383 03:29:55,399 --> 03:29:58,279 definitely benefiting more than others 2384 03:29:58,279 --> 03:30:01,640 that's partially I feel like how you 2385 03:30:01,640 --> 03:30:07,389 utilize what you have at your 2386 03:30:07,399 --> 03:30:10,160 fingertips well I know like outside the 2387 03:30:10,160 --> 03:30:12,239 Fifth Avenue on Main Street they only 2388 03:30:12,239 --> 03:30:15,439 have one they have two or three on the 2389 03:30:15,439 --> 03:30:16,800 side street 2390 03:30:16,800 --> 03:30:18,560 you know one you get one 2391 03:30:18,560 --> 03:30:20,800 table it's 2392 03:30:20,800 --> 03:30:23,160 not can't get many 2393 03:30:23,160 --> 03:30:26,560 more maybe two two tops but usually it's 2394 03:30:26,560 --> 03:30:29,560 taking up six people it's one table for 2395 03:30:29,560 --> 03:30:30,399 six 2396 03:30:30,399 --> 03:30:35,349 people it is one one 2397 03:30:35,359 --> 03:30:37,880 part so I'm hearing these should match 2398 03:30:37,880 --> 03:30:40,199 the cost of the program I think the 2399 03:30:40,199 --> 03:30:42,000 other question should there be use 2400 03:30:42,000 --> 03:30:44,600 restrictions as far as what types of 2401 03:30:44,600 --> 03:30:46,640 businesses um 2402 03:30:46,640 --> 03:30:49,750 per Park 2403 03:30:49,760 --> 03:30:53,080 Florida I would say unfortunately for me 2404 03:30:53,080 --> 03:30:54,880 it's a no 2405 03:30:54,880 --> 03:30:57,479 because I don't think we can pick and 2406 03:30:57,479 --> 03:30:59,080 choose like if we're going to offer 2407 03:30:59,080 --> 03:31:01,600 public property to be licensed by 2408 03:31:01,600 --> 03:31:04,520 business we can't really say you can do 2409 03:31:04,520 --> 03:31:07,080 it but you 2410 03:31:07,080 --> 03:31:10,279 can't I I would I would say oh sorry I 2411 03:31:10,279 --> 03:31:12,120 didn't mean to step on you there 2412 03:31:12,120 --> 03:31:14,239 Elizabeth you keep 2413 03:31:14,239 --> 03:31:17,279 going that's okay 2414 03:31:17,279 --> 03:31:22,000 I with that I I agree in that you know 2415 03:31:22,000 --> 03:31:24,439 you would if you got a if you can let 2416 03:31:24,439 --> 03:31:26,279 anybody do it then everybody should have 2417 03:31:26,279 --> 03:31:29,359 the ability but you can have a standard 2418 03:31:29,359 --> 03:31:32,279 I feel like like especially for retail 2419 03:31:32,279 --> 03:31:35,279 outlets you can have a standard like no 2420 03:31:35,279 --> 03:31:38,479 pallets you know as whatever or no 2421 03:31:38,479 --> 03:31:40,279 whatever you know to if you don't want 2422 03:31:40,279 --> 03:31:42,160 it to look junky you could definitely 2423 03:31:42,160 --> 03:31:46,479 say that it needs to fulfill some sort 2424 03:31:46,479 --> 03:31:47,960 of 2425 03:31:47,960 --> 03:31:51,040 look and it probably shouldn't block 2426 03:31:51,040 --> 03:31:57,469 signage if it's important stuff for 2427 03:31:57,479 --> 03:32:00,359 sure I don't I 2428 03:32:00,359 --> 03:32:02,319 mean everybody should have the 2429 03:32:02,319 --> 03:32:04,800 opportunity to start with and if you 2430 03:32:04,800 --> 03:32:06,479 sell clothing inside your store and you 2431 03:32:06,479 --> 03:32:08,920 put clothing on your parklet that's what 2432 03:32:08,920 --> 03:32:10,720 you sell if you sell shoes and you put 2433 03:32:10,720 --> 03:32:12,560 boxes of shoes on your parket that's 2434 03:32:12,560 --> 03:32:16,000 what you sell I don't I don't have as 2435 03:32:16,000 --> 03:32:18,720 much of a subjective opinion on how 2436 03:32:18,720 --> 03:32:21,520 people are how people are marketing 2437 03:32:21,520 --> 03:32:24,520 their merchandise or their products on 2438 03:32:24,520 --> 03:32:26,680 the parket is something that we can 2439 03:32:26,680 --> 03:32:29,160 enforce it's too 2440 03:32:29,160 --> 03:32:31,160 subjective how do you feel about a stack 2441 03:32:31,160 --> 03:32:33,279 of shoes 2442 03:32:33,279 --> 03:32:35,160 versus pretty 2443 03:32:35,160 --> 03:32:38,479 umbrellas so I I I think if you if you 2444 03:32:38,479 --> 03:32:41,399 have a crappy parklet then you will be 2445 03:32:41,399 --> 03:32:42,880 viewed as a crappy 2446 03:32:42,880 --> 03:32:46,399 St that's that's capitalism 2447 03:32:46,399 --> 03:32:47,840 so that's 2448 03:32:47,840 --> 03:32:52,469 okay I don't want to get into design 2449 03:32:52,479 --> 03:32:56,479 review I would say any except 2450 03:32:56,479 --> 03:33:00,110 for well then that's not 2451 03:33:00,120 --> 03:33:02,399 any I would just say so you do want to 2452 03:33:02,399 --> 03:33:05,520 restrict I do just not real estate off 2453 03:33:05,520 --> 03:33:09,319 um my personal view is was just me I 2454 03:33:09,319 --> 03:33:12,560 like vibrant main streets and 2455 03:33:12,560 --> 03:33:14,800 communities that have very much of food 2456 03:33:14,800 --> 03:33:16,680 and beverage 2457 03:33:16,680 --> 03:33:20,720 focus and not a retail Focus I also 2458 03:33:20,720 --> 03:33:23,120 understand the difficulty in starting to 2459 03:33:23,120 --> 03:33:26,720 pick EG like that 2460 03:33:26,720 --> 03:33:29,319 so I guess at this point but then we do 2461 03:33:29,319 --> 03:33:30,680 we have to include real estate office 2462 03:33:30,680 --> 03:33:32,640 with their two chairs right because they 2463 03:33:32,640 --> 03:33:34,960 got plenty of money to pay for the 2464 03:33:34,960 --> 03:33:38,120 parket um is there an equity issue there 2465 03:33:38,120 --> 03:33:41,600 too with some there a lot going right 2466 03:33:41,600 --> 03:33:44,120 the costs associated with you know some 2467 03:33:44,120 --> 03:33:47,560 smaller shops May 2468 03:33:47,560 --> 03:33:51,000 IFI be there maybe sub sensation on it 2469 03:33:51,000 --> 03:33:52,640 obviously I don't think 2470 03:33:52,640 --> 03:33:55,080 so I guess I would not have any 2471 03:33:55,080 --> 03:33:56,840 restrictions on 2472 03:33:56,840 --> 03:34:00,880 it I at the big picture 2473 03:34:00,880 --> 03:34:03,439 but I'm 2474 03:34:03,439 --> 03:34:05,640 curious resistance to the real estate 2475 03:34:05,640 --> 03:34:07,160 office is if some somebody wants to put 2476 03:34:07,160 --> 03:34:10,630 a living room on Main 2477 03:34:10,640 --> 03:34:14,399 Street Sit down I 2478 03:34:14,399 --> 03:34:16,239 know I don't know 2479 03:34:16,239 --> 03:34:19,880 I just we have we just have too many Bo 2480 03:34:19,880 --> 03:34:20,960 you 2481 03:34:20,960 --> 03:34:24,080 know I'd like to cut them down you know 2482 03:34:24,080 --> 03:34:27,560 could we look at the challenges 2483 03:34:27,560 --> 03:34:30,800 yeah that's a bigger top yeah just kind 2484 03:34:30,800 --> 03:34:32,160 of run back through the challenges we 2485 03:34:32,160 --> 03:34:34,760 have loss of parking spaces we have the 2486 03:34:34,760 --> 03:34:37,239 maintenance needs we talked about having 2487 03:34:37,239 --> 03:34:39,479 the the fees match the 2488 03:34:39,479 --> 03:34:42,080 expenses you know there's this sidewalk 2489 03:34:42,080 --> 03:34:44,960 conflict um them expanding Beyond just 2490 03:34:44,960 --> 03:34:46,560 the park lit so I think we'll talk about 2491 03:34:46,560 --> 03:34:47,920 that in a minute of where it you know 2492 03:34:47,920 --> 03:34:49,560 expands onto kind of the brick paper 2493 03:34:49,560 --> 03:34:52,040 area and then also on the sidewalks 2494 03:34:52,040 --> 03:34:54,319 there's the mixed use conflict that's 2495 03:34:54,319 --> 03:34:55,359 you know you already have kind of 2496 03:34:55,359 --> 03:34:57,359 pedestrians Vehicles parking now you're 2497 03:34:57,359 --> 03:34:59,840 adding 2498 03:34:59,840 --> 03:35:02,720 seating there's the storage of parklets 2499 03:35:02,720 --> 03:35:05,520 take some space Public Works Yard the 2500 03:35:05,520 --> 03:35:07,239 feedback I think we just kind of covered 2501 03:35:07,239 --> 03:35:08,880 this with the uses of you know certain 2502 03:35:08,880 --> 03:35:12,710 ones appearing mess you're junky your 2503 03:35:12,720 --> 03:35:16,120 passing so when we talk about the use of 2504 03:35:16,120 --> 03:35:18,000 sidewalk 2505 03:35:18,000 --> 03:35:21,520 um is there potential for an enforcement 2506 03:35:21,520 --> 03:35:23,760 on that issue I just 2507 03:35:23,760 --> 03:35:27,479 like the access of the sidewalk like is 2508 03:35:27,479 --> 03:35:29,439 there a way to protect 2509 03:35:29,439 --> 03:35:32,080 that yeah so I think 2510 03:35:32,080 --> 03:35:35,399 um go back to the questions here see if 2511 03:35:35,399 --> 03:35:38,960 that's done oh sorry no we'll jump into 2512 03:35:38,960 --> 03:35:41,840 that you know I think one question to 2513 03:35:41,840 --> 03:35:44,640 kind of before that enforcement one is 2514 03:35:44,640 --> 03:35:47,800 does council support report um this 2515 03:35:47,800 --> 03:35:50,160 would be kind of the the second to last 2516 03:35:50,160 --> 03:35:52,040 one the more informal use of town 2517 03:35:52,040 --> 03:35:54,640 property without pars so that would be 2518 03:35:54,640 --> 03:35:57,359 we have Rebel Sports example you know 2519 03:35:57,359 --> 03:35:59,399 there's 2520 03:35:59,399 --> 03:36:03,239 ones sea there areas that 2521 03:36:03,239 --> 03:36:05,920 necessary that would be question and to 2522 03:36:05,920 --> 03:36:08,600 be clear the rebel Sports example is 2523 03:36:08,600 --> 03:36:12,760 what they were doing prior to 2524 03:36:12,760 --> 03:36:15,760 2021 and so that was using the Seline 2525 03:36:15,760 --> 03:36:19,479 for the fleet um and then I'm thinking 2526 03:36:19,479 --> 03:36:23,680 about like walking through butter horn 2527 03:36:23,680 --> 03:36:25,319 like you it's almost like now you're 2528 03:36:25,319 --> 03:36:27,399 only walking through their restaurant 2529 03:36:27,399 --> 03:36:29,640 and if you're in a 2530 03:36:29,640 --> 03:36:32,479 wheelchair I mean that's an issue the 2531 03:36:32,479 --> 03:36:33,840 question really comes down to this and 2532 03:36:33,840 --> 03:36:36,279 we thought it was important to roll in 2533 03:36:36,279 --> 03:36:39,080 the whole question of first question 2534 03:36:39,080 --> 03:36:41,399 being do you want to use Town property 2535 03:36:41,399 --> 03:36:45,880 for Commerce so okay you do for parklets 2536 03:36:45,880 --> 03:36:47,680 we have an informal use that is 2537 03:36:47,680 --> 03:36:50,680 happening have a licensing agreement we 2538 03:36:50,680 --> 03:36:53,800 don't have fees we don't have insurance 2539 03:36:53,800 --> 03:36:55,880 like that they are just things that are 2540 03:36:55,880 --> 03:36:59,199 happening yeah um and so my question is 2541 03:36:59,199 --> 03:37:01,560 our question is what would you like to 2542 03:37:01,560 --> 03:37:04,720 do with that yeah can can I ask that we 2543 03:37:04,720 --> 03:37:07,279 take this smaller question first short 2544 03:37:07,279 --> 03:37:09,560 if you have parklets you cannot use the 2545 03:37:09,560 --> 03:37:10,920 sidewalk I don't care if you got to 2546 03:37:10,920 --> 03:37:13,720 write if you guys put chalk down this is 2547 03:37:13,720 --> 03:37:16,640 what you get this is what you don't 2548 03:37:16,640 --> 03:37:20,359 because the The Log Jam that's going on 2549 03:37:20,359 --> 03:37:23,760 at whether it's butter horn or Pro that 2550 03:37:23,760 --> 03:37:26,239 they have their times people that are 2551 03:37:26,239 --> 03:37:27,960 using parket are moring into the 2552 03:37:27,960 --> 03:37:29,319 sidewalk and the people who are trying 2553 03:37:29,319 --> 03:37:32,560 to flow down our main street are H what 2554 03:37:32,560 --> 03:37:35,160 about the pap area you based on that 2555 03:37:35,160 --> 03:37:36,600 comment would it be nothing on the 2556 03:37:36,600 --> 03:37:41,070 sidewalks or the papers just the 2557 03:37:41,080 --> 03:37:43,479 parets it's a fair mean it's a good 2558 03:37:43,479 --> 03:37:45,680 question I think the paps 2559 03:37:45,680 --> 03:37:50,439 be honest but I I hear your distinction 2560 03:37:50,439 --> 03:37:53,199 but there just a flow link I'm not sure 2561 03:37:53,199 --> 03:37:54,960 I don't have an answer to that very good 2562 03:37:54,960 --> 03:37:58,479 question but you have to be enforcing 2563 03:37:58,479 --> 03:38:00,960 blow Lane down our 2564 03:38:00,960 --> 03:38:03,000 sidewalks and if it's something we're 2565 03:38:03,000 --> 03:38:07,040 not able to enforce then I I don't know 2566 03:38:07,040 --> 03:38:09,319 if you want to put if you want toig your 2567 03:38:09,319 --> 03:38:10,760 Del Bell and you want to put a table 2568 03:38:10,760 --> 03:38:12,920 behind the lamp post you know the lamp 2569 03:38:12,920 --> 03:38:15,800 posts 2570 03:38:15,800 --> 03:38:18,399 hindrance in the paper 2571 03:38:18,399 --> 03:38:22,080 area I'm not as wrapped up to with you 2572 03:38:22,080 --> 03:38:24,040 though it 2573 03:38:24,040 --> 03:38:27,399 just it expands from there I know 2574 03:38:27,399 --> 03:38:29,520 wherever when you're like like oh just 2575 03:38:29,520 --> 03:38:32,040 the papers and it I mean I included some 2576 03:38:32,040 --> 03:38:34,199 of these pictures so you would see that 2577 03:38:34,199 --> 03:38:37,520 it it does and I just wanted you to if 2578 03:38:37,520 --> 03:38:40,080 you're licensing people and having them 2579 03:38:40,080 --> 03:38:42,600 pay fees for use of town property it's 2580 03:38:42,600 --> 03:38:44,399 not just it's not really the use of aart 2581 03:38:44,399 --> 03:38:47,359 it's the use of town property Hors then 2582 03:38:47,359 --> 03:38:50,239 what is your feeling about 2583 03:38:50,239 --> 03:38:53,279 this do you want to rather than 2584 03:38:53,279 --> 03:38:55,319 inforcement is this something that you 2585 03:38:55,319 --> 03:38:58,120 would want to license and then we can 2586 03:38:58,120 --> 03:39:00,080 try to figure out how much of that 2587 03:39:00,080 --> 03:39:02,040 sidewalk someone could take up with 2588 03:39:02,040 --> 03:39:04,199 tables or do we 2589 03:39:04,199 --> 03:39:07,560 say year round no more use of 2590 03:39:07,560 --> 03:39:11,680 sidewalks we already have for clear so I 2591 03:39:11,680 --> 03:39:14,239 understand it correct Vanessa is we have 2592 03:39:14,239 --> 03:39:16,760 agreement and license in fees for Rebel 2593 03:39:16,760 --> 03:39:19,359 Sports currently Absolut for for their 2594 03:39:19,359 --> 03:39:22,439 use of the street what you saw a picture 2595 03:39:22,439 --> 03:39:26,080 of we to that how they for that the same 2596 03:39:26,080 --> 03:39:28,640 as parklets they actually just keep it 2597 03:39:28,640 --> 03:39:31,469 really simple 2598 03:39:31,479 --> 03:39:34,960 and you know being with Martin and stuff 2599 03:39:34,960 --> 03:39:38,600 and traveling and being places you know 2600 03:39:38,600 --> 03:39:41,199 I always when I was on Town Council 2601 03:39:41,199 --> 03:39:44,680 before the co had managing Fifth Avenue 2602 03:39:44,680 --> 03:39:46,000 we have that 2603 03:39:46,000 --> 03:39:48,760 corner you know sidewalk ins side stuff 2604 03:39:48,760 --> 03:39:50,800 and I always thought that you know it be 2605 03:39:50,800 --> 03:39:53,560 be nice to use that 2606 03:39:53,560 --> 03:39:56,279 area because of just being in other 2607 03:39:56,279 --> 03:39:58,160 countries and how the outside in the 2608 03:39:58,160 --> 03:40:01,120 summer you know stretches out in the 2609 03:40:01,120 --> 03:40:04,800 plazas and stuff you know I I like that 2610 03:40:04,800 --> 03:40:06,359 so I was trying to get something like 2611 03:40:06,359 --> 03:40:07,439 that 2612 03:40:07,439 --> 03:40:10,439 before you know and it was the liquor 2613 03:40:10,439 --> 03:40:13,720 license it's like okay you got you know 2614 03:40:13,720 --> 03:40:17,120 that way you know but uh I like that 2615 03:40:17,120 --> 03:40:19,760 vibrant stuff of people sitting down 2616 03:40:19,760 --> 03:40:24,319 drinking and food you know but like it's 2617 03:40:24,319 --> 03:40:26,800 hard to tell the book store can't have 2618 03:40:26,800 --> 03:40:31,359 the restaurant can you know to 2619 03:40:31,359 --> 03:40:35,760 me horn and Deli bellies you know being 2620 03:40:35,760 --> 03:40:37,479 the ice cream shop and people can't get 2621 03:40:37,479 --> 03:40:40,000 through there sometimes too it's a it's 2622 03:40:40,000 --> 03:40:41,960 a it's a hassle you know it's not just 2623 03:40:41,960 --> 03:40:43,479 butter 2624 03:40:43,479 --> 03:40:48,840 horn so I hate to say yeah I I do agree 2625 03:40:48,840 --> 03:40:51,199 you know this is very much like a it's a 2626 03:40:51,199 --> 03:40:53,920 it's a if you look at other countries 2627 03:40:53,920 --> 03:40:55,640 right and you look at Europe they they 2628 03:40:55,640 --> 03:40:58,680 do it really well and they do it all the 2629 03:40:58,680 --> 03:41:01,239 time and you know they 2630 03:41:01,239 --> 03:41:04,160 utilize their public space that way and 2631 03:41:04,160 --> 03:41:06,800 it's like if we are just gonna say only 2632 03:41:06,800 --> 03:41:08,960 for cars and people walking down the 2633 03:41:08,960 --> 03:41:12,000 street you know then I I feel like we're 2634 03:41:12,000 --> 03:41:14,560 we are behind the times but this is an 2635 03:41:14,560 --> 03:41:17,080 Enforcement issue you you know you can 2636 03:41:17,080 --> 03:41:20,160 use x amount of space but if you're in a 2637 03:41:20,160 --> 03:41:22,920 wheelchair you have to have access you 2638 03:41:22,920 --> 03:41:25,600 got to be able to get through and you 2639 03:41:25,600 --> 03:41:27,520 know it's an Enforcement issue I hate to 2640 03:41:27,520 --> 03:41:31,560 put it on staff but uh you at some point 2641 03:41:31,560 --> 03:41:32,760 that's what it's gonna have to be you 2642 03:41:32,760 --> 03:41:35,000 know Kyle Joe are going to need to be 2643 03:41:35,000 --> 03:41:36,520 walking down the street saying like you 2644 03:41:36,520 --> 03:41:38,720 got to move this stuff out of the way 2645 03:41:38,720 --> 03:41:42,319 you know Andor as Andy's saying you you 2646 03:41:42,319 --> 03:41:45,080 you tape out your area and you don't get 2647 03:41:45,080 --> 03:41:46,439 to across the 2648 03:41:46,439 --> 03:41:49,159 line that's just the way it is you know 2649 03:41:49,159 --> 03:41:55,040 but uh but a vibrant space needs 2650 03:41:55,040 --> 03:41:59,000 activation and uh less cars is something 2651 03:41:59,000 --> 03:42:02,600 we've been going for for many many years 2652 03:42:02,600 --> 03:42:04,680 and uh I I feel like we're not taking up 2653 03:42:04,680 --> 03:42:06,840 too many parking spaces that it's not 2654 03:42:06,840 --> 03:42:10,800 even possible to park uh there you go 2655 03:42:10,800 --> 03:42:13,479 you know I I got one more thing on that 2656 03:42:13,479 --> 03:42:16,199 too because during the time I was on 2657 03:42:16,199 --> 03:42:19,640 console and uh I rode my motorcycle over 2658 03:42:19,640 --> 03:42:24,080 Hegman pass over to balt and bista they 2659 03:42:24,080 --> 03:42:27,560 had them before the pandemic you know 2660 03:42:27,560 --> 03:42:29,640 this on Main Street had parklets and the 2661 03:42:29,640 --> 03:42:31,319 Sal has St and I'm just like wow that's 2662 03:42:31,319 --> 03:42:33,239 amazing you know why can't we do 2663 03:42:33,239 --> 03:42:37,239 something like that Risco I think I was 2664 03:42:37,239 --> 03:42:39,319 pushing for something like that and that 2665 03:42:39,319 --> 03:42:41,680 was before the Pand you know just 2666 03:42:41,680 --> 03:42:44,560 getting more vibrant people out you know 2667 03:42:44,560 --> 03:42:46,000 drinking 2668 03:42:46,000 --> 03:42:49,120 Street you know in that so that was one 2669 03:42:49,120 --> 03:42:53,760 thing where I saw it first was in other 2670 03:42:53,760 --> 03:42:55,640 towns 2671 03:42:55,640 --> 03:42:58,680 result the pic and it feels to me like 2672 03:42:58,680 --> 03:43:01,439 this it's settled that parklets are a go 2673 03:43:01,439 --> 03:43:03,680 with higher fees potentially some 2674 03:43:03,680 --> 03:43:06,279 improvements that you might rely on BL 2675 03:43:06,279 --> 03:43:08,520 work staff to work through railings on 2676 03:43:08,520 --> 03:43:11,880 the sides all that good stuff um and 2677 03:43:11,880 --> 03:43:13,840 knowing the sand District needs to deal 2678 03:43:13,840 --> 03:43:15,680 with that I guess I would say to it does 2679 03:43:15,680 --> 03:43:20,159 not feel like question of use of town 2680 03:43:20,159 --> 03:43:22,239 property in terms of sidewalks it's just 2681 03:43:22,239 --> 03:43:25,120 about enforcement it is about do you 2682 03:43:25,120 --> 03:43:28,479 want to formalize that if you're if we 2683 03:43:28,479 --> 03:43:31,159 have a formalized program to use parking 2684 03:43:31,159 --> 03:43:33,920 spaces Town property with license 2685 03:43:33,920 --> 03:43:36,640 agreements and fees and insurance and 2686 03:43:36,640 --> 03:43:38,920 all of that would you like to move in 2687 03:43:38,920 --> 03:43:41,239 the direction of doing the same thing 2688 03:43:41,239 --> 03:43:43,520 with side blocks it does feel somewhat 2689 03:43:43,520 --> 03:43:45,840 in congruent to be like license this 2690 03:43:45,840 --> 03:43:47,960 town space but we don't license this 2691 03:43:47,960 --> 03:43:50,960 town space but you need 2692 03:43:50,960 --> 03:43:53,680 access right access is always going to 2693 03:43:53,680 --> 03:43:56,359 be key I think that's just a given but 2694 03:43:56,359 --> 03:43:59,319 it's the are you using Town property 2695 03:43:59,319 --> 03:44:00,359 with 2696 03:44:00,359 --> 03:44:03,319 access but are you licensing that as 2697 03:44:03,319 --> 03:44:05,479 well so what you're ear asking are we 2698 03:44:05,479 --> 03:44:06,720 licensing the 2699 03:44:06,720 --> 03:44:09,680 Calk part of it yeah can you just get 2700 03:44:09,680 --> 03:44:11,600 rid of the parklets and just rent out 2701 03:44:11,600 --> 03:44:13,640 the parking spaces and you just put your 2702 03:44:13,640 --> 03:44:21,670 stuff right there 2703 03:44:21,680 --> 03:44:26,120 Visions then you end sorry if you you 2704 03:44:26,120 --> 03:44:28,040 know if you get rid of the parklets and 2705 03:44:28,040 --> 03:44:29,640 just let businesses do whatever they 2706 03:44:29,640 --> 03:44:31,520 want if they're going to rent it out 2707 03:44:31,520 --> 03:44:34,000 then you end up with 20 different junky 2708 03:44:34,000 --> 03:44:35,720 looking 2709 03:44:35,720 --> 03:44:38,239 things I think to your question thank 2710 03:44:38,239 --> 03:44:41,800 you for clarify sort of where we 2711 03:44:41,800 --> 03:44:44,120 are there can be a distinction between 2712 03:44:44,120 --> 03:44:47,359 winter well between summer and 2713 03:44:47,359 --> 03:44:52,359 year because in parket season giving our 2714 03:44:52,359 --> 03:44:54,720 businesses the opportunity to have 2715 03:44:54,720 --> 03:44:55,960 outdoor 2716 03:44:55,960 --> 03:44:58,600 space you know I'm thinking whether it's 2717 03:44:58,600 --> 03:45:00,399 again Deli belly or whether it's the dog 2718 03:45:00,399 --> 03:45:03,479 bowl dish at the rematch tore yes 2719 03:45:03,479 --> 03:45:05,520 they're using the sidewalk do we need to 2720 03:45:05,520 --> 03:45:07,840 formalize that kind of stuff when there 2721 03:45:07,840 --> 03:45:10,640 really isn't clogged 2722 03:45:10,640 --> 03:45:13,080 sidewalk not I'm not looking to I'm 2723 03:45:13,080 --> 03:45:15,880 usually the rules guy but but in the 2724 03:45:15,880 --> 03:45:18,520 summer my view is different than in the 2725 03:45:18,520 --> 03:45:20,159 winter because we're giving people an 2726 03:45:20,159 --> 03:45:23,920 alternative to utilize outdoor space and 2727 03:45:23,920 --> 03:45:26,880 c and maybe what I'm doing is I'm like 2728 03:45:26,880 --> 03:45:28,199 being a little bit of a worst case 2729 03:45:28,199 --> 03:45:31,040 scenario thinker right now and that is 2730 03:45:31,040 --> 03:45:33,680 parklets go up to $1,000 for 100 square 2731 03:45:33,680 --> 03:45:35,439 feet and people are suddenly like I 2732 03:45:35,439 --> 03:45:37,319 don't want to do that so I'm just GNA 2733 03:45:37,319 --> 03:45:39,439 put my tables on the 2734 03:45:39,439 --> 03:45:42,080 sidewalk and and I think that's an 2735 03:45:42,080 --> 03:45:44,319 unfortunate sign because we're giving 2736 03:45:44,319 --> 03:45:45,640 them an alternative they may not like 2737 03:45:45,640 --> 03:45:48,960 that they have to spend money but we're 2738 03:45:48,960 --> 03:45:51,439 offering them 2739 03:45:51,439 --> 03:45:54,279 space so they can't have it for 2740 03:45:54,279 --> 03:45:57,640 free clarify my position that's the 2741 03:45:57,640 --> 03:46:02,479 summer clarify my okay you um clarify my 2742 03:46:02,479 --> 03:46:03,800 position to make sure it fits into what 2743 03:46:03,800 --> 03:46:06,479 you're asking maybe it doesn't um I like 2744 03:46:06,479 --> 03:46:08,159 the parklets I don't think people should 2745 03:46:08,159 --> 03:46:09,439 be able to use a side walks in the 2746 03:46:09,439 --> 03:46:11,040 summer I think they need to be clear for 2747 03:46:11,040 --> 03:46:13,080 people for Access and I think that needs 2748 03:46:13,080 --> 03:46:15,199 to be forced and if people don't want a 2749 03:46:15,199 --> 03:46:17,520 parklet they don't want to rent a parket 2750 03:46:17,520 --> 03:46:20,840 they don't get to use the sidewalk 2751 03:46:20,840 --> 03:46:23,520 for Commerce just 2752 03:46:23,520 --> 03:46:27,199 because so I agree with Liz that the 2753 03:46:27,199 --> 03:46:30,359 sidewalk needs to be you know needs to 2754 03:46:30,359 --> 03:46:32,560 be as clear as possible people are 2755 03:46:32,560 --> 03:46:34,399 always going to be lawyering 2756 03:46:34,399 --> 03:46:36,439 around but then I agree with Andy 2757 03:46:36,439 --> 03:46:38,680 because of enforcement so I like the 2758 03:46:38,680 --> 03:46:42,319 idea of restricting use of Commerce on 2759 03:46:42,319 --> 03:46:45,359 the sidewalks in the summer and part 2760 03:46:45,359 --> 03:46:47,870 that's 2761 03:46:47,880 --> 03:46:50,319 aailable yeah we'll talk winter next 2762 03:46:50,319 --> 03:46:53,080 right yeah 2763 03:46:53,080 --> 03:46:56,000 winter I think we just enforce it how's 2764 03:46:56,000 --> 03:46:58,040 winter we can't clog the street you 2765 03:46:58,040 --> 03:46:59,319 can't clog the 2766 03:46:59,319 --> 03:47:02,399 sidewalk in the winter there sidewalks 2767 03:47:02,399 --> 03:47:04,439 in the winter for 2768 03:47:04,439 --> 03:47:11,349 sure oh yeah right I get it we 2769 03:47:11,359 --> 03:47:15,000 don't no formalizing again use of 2770 03:47:15,000 --> 03:47:18,560 sidewalk Town property in the winter but 2771 03:47:18,560 --> 03:47:22,439 you cannot log or block the sidewalk if 2772 03:47:22,439 --> 03:47:25,680 you're if put it in a a reader board or 2773 03:47:25,680 --> 03:47:28,000 or your table pled the side no you can't 2774 03:47:28,000 --> 03:47:31,840 do that even in the winter you don't 2775 03:47:31,840 --> 03:47:34,880 have culture form when parket are not 2776 03:47:34,880 --> 03:47:39,439 available you can use a certain strip 2777 03:47:39,439 --> 03:47:43,840 that can be worked through of 2778 03:47:43,840 --> 03:47:46,319 sidewalk 2779 03:47:46,319 --> 03:47:49,560 winter I guess for me I just we don't 2780 03:47:49,560 --> 03:47:56,170 have to move 2781 03:47:56,180 --> 03:48:08,710 [Music] 2782 03:48:08,720 --> 03:48:12,199 them so I think just does that fit what 2783 03:48:12,199 --> 03:48:15,239 we're talking about pretty much yeah I 2784 03:48:15,239 --> 03:48:16,880 mean I think I'm hearing like it would 2785 03:48:16,880 --> 03:48:19,040 be good to hear like I hear if you have 2786 03:48:19,040 --> 03:48:21,319 a parket in the summer you are not to be 2787 03:48:21,319 --> 03:48:24,239 on the sidewalk I hear that I'm not sure 2788 03:48:24,239 --> 03:48:26,399 what I'm hearing here if you have a 2789 03:48:26,399 --> 03:48:28,760 parket this summer can you be on the 2790 03:48:28,760 --> 03:48:31,319 sidewalk at all is that a yes or a no no 2791 03:48:31,319 --> 03:48:33,800 I think the consistent is no sidewalk 2792 03:48:33,800 --> 03:48:37,199 use period in the summer anytime anytime 2793 03:48:37,199 --> 03:48:39,750 you're a little 2794 03:48:39,760 --> 03:48:43,399 different anytime 2795 03:48:43,399 --> 03:48:46,800 anytime red papers to be 2796 03:48:46,800 --> 03:48:51,040 clear yes yeah c can I re real quick 2797 03:48:51,040 --> 03:48:54,720 Chris what is uh your 2798 03:48:54,720 --> 03:48:59,040 typical uh footage of sidewalk space 2799 03:48:59,040 --> 03:49:02,239 like do do the the pavers count as the 2800 03:49:02,239 --> 03:49:04,800 six foot of sidewalk and so it makes it 2801 03:49:04,800 --> 03:49:07,880 eight feet or like what what is 2802 03:49:07,880 --> 03:49:10,319 that so we would generally only count 2803 03:49:10,319 --> 03:49:12,520 the sidewalk as kind of the true kind of 2804 03:49:12,520 --> 03:49:16,399 ADA space and other papers here um so 2805 03:49:16,399 --> 03:49:18,279 kind of it varies on where we're at but 2806 03:49:18,279 --> 03:49:21,560 I think it's generally around 8 ft that 2807 03:49:21,560 --> 03:49:24,880 we have the sidewalk and then about a 2808 03:49:24,880 --> 03:49:27,960 fo so automatically that's the space you 2809 03:49:27,960 --> 03:49:30,520 need to get through no matter what and 2810 03:49:30,520 --> 03:49:34,710 you can't use any other 2811 03:49:34,720 --> 03:49:38,920 space can I I think we I think we're at 2812 03:49:38,920 --> 03:49:40,560 parklets only in the 2813 03:49:40,560 --> 03:49:44,399 summer as a as a answer portion is that 2814 03:49:44,399 --> 03:49:46,239 fair 2815 03:49:46,239 --> 03:49:49,840 right inre increase fees yes of course 2816 03:49:49,840 --> 03:49:51,319 cover the 2817 03:49:51,319 --> 03:49:56,319 costs now the final if you will is 2818 03:49:56,319 --> 03:50:01,910 papers use or no papers use is what I'm 2819 03:50:01,920 --> 03:50:04,199 hearing that makes 2820 03:50:04,199 --> 03:50:08,550 sense 2821 03:50:08,560 --> 03:50:12,080 deep ask what what you're I'm looking to 2822 03:50:12,080 --> 03:50:13,880 answer the questions you're asking right 2823 03:50:13,880 --> 03:50:15,960 now I know I don't necess want to go as 2824 03:50:15,960 --> 03:50:18,359 deeper if you don't want to be I mean it 2825 03:50:18,359 --> 03:50:20,840 really does I mean it is odd I I think 2826 03:50:20,840 --> 03:50:24,080 it's part of a sidewalk and it it is 2827 03:50:24,080 --> 03:50:26,239 strange that we would to a certain 2828 03:50:26,239 --> 03:50:28,000 degree it feels strange that we would 2829 03:50:28,000 --> 03:50:30,520 license some Town property but not 2830 03:50:30,520 --> 03:50:33,199 others even depending on the season like 2831 03:50:33,199 --> 03:50:35,000 some consistency issues come up for me 2832 03:50:35,000 --> 03:50:36,920 and I'm not a huge bureaucrat or rule 2833 03:50:36,920 --> 03:50:39,960 follower either it's just has created 2834 03:50:39,960 --> 03:50:42,520 some issues and I really do believe in 2835 03:50:42,520 --> 03:50:44,479 being fair and being clear with people 2836 03:50:44,479 --> 03:50:46,600 if they understand what the expectations 2837 03:50:46,600 --> 03:50:48,960 are and rules are I think most people 2838 03:50:48,960 --> 03:50:52,600 will follow them most so I mean for me a 2839 03:50:52,600 --> 03:50:56,640 really is should all use of town all use 2840 03:50:56,640 --> 03:50:58,640 underline including currently informal 2841 03:50:58,640 --> 03:51:00,319 use of sidewalks for restaurant seating 2842 03:51:00,319 --> 03:51:02,720 and Rental bike displays acire license 2843 03:51:02,720 --> 03:51:05,279 agreements Insurance fees as parklets 2844 03:51:05,279 --> 03:51:06,560 currently 2845 03:51:06,560 --> 03:51:09,479 require the answer may be no I want to 2846 03:51:09,479 --> 03:51:11,560 keep it informal like that I don't want 2847 03:51:11,560 --> 03:51:14,600 to keep it informal that's the question 2848 03:51:14,600 --> 03:51:17,239 I'm against it being a formal also so 2849 03:51:17,239 --> 03:51:20,479 let me throw another wrenches sweet so 2850 03:51:20,479 --> 03:51:22,880 Fifth Avenue has two tables on the side 2851 03:51:22,880 --> 03:51:25,479 street you know on this Fifth Avenue 2852 03:51:25,479 --> 03:51:26,960 that we put on the other side of the 2853 03:51:26,960 --> 03:51:29,680 fence you know two they sit are they on 2854 03:51:29,680 --> 03:51:37,110 top property yeah we're talking about 2855 03:51:37,120 --> 03:51:40,640 that we we had it when Deborah was here 2856 03:51:40,640 --> 03:51:43,000 says you can't put him out we got a 2857 03:51:43,000 --> 03:51:45,040 take because of 2858 03:51:45,040 --> 03:51:47,560 lior license sure so so we couldn't we 2859 03:51:47,560 --> 03:51:49,680 couldn't even license the space or get 2860 03:51:49,680 --> 03:51:51,960 from you it was just like no liquor 2861 03:51:51,960 --> 03:51:56,800 license B so we got two on the side and 2862 03:51:56,800 --> 03:51:58,439 there's you know nobody really goes down 2863 03:51:58,439 --> 03:52:00,239 that sidewalk you know sound like it's 2864 03:52:00,239 --> 03:52:02,920 on the main sidewalk but it's still the 2865 03:52:02,920 --> 03:52:04,640 side you 2866 03:52:04,640 --> 03:52:06,960 know is that considered 2867 03:52:06,960 --> 03:52:09,600 M it's 2868 03:52:09,600 --> 03:52:13,520 consider I feel like Mr R maybe wants to 2869 03:52:13,520 --> 03:52:14,920 feel like I've seen him getting see a 2870 03:52:14,920 --> 03:52:19,720 few times do you okay I I I would highly 2871 03:52:19,720 --> 03:52:21,920 recommend that any use of public 2872 03:52:21,920 --> 03:52:24,439 property for commercial purposes come 2873 03:52:24,439 --> 03:52:26,920 with insurance and indemnification of 2874 03:52:26,920 --> 03:52:29,479 the town because when someone gets hurt 2875 03:52:29,479 --> 03:52:31,840 on public 2876 03:52:31,840 --> 03:52:35,199 property 99 out of 100 times the answer 2877 03:52:35,199 --> 03:52:37,040 is going to be from town when they make 2878 03:52:37,040 --> 03:52:39,399 a claim because they've been injured I'm 2879 03:52:39,399 --> 03:52:41,439 sorry we're 2880 03:52:41,439 --> 03:52:45,960 immune I'm sorry you can't sue us 2881 03:52:45,960 --> 03:52:49,279 period so where are those folks 2882 03:52:49,279 --> 03:52:53,159 turn won't be us and if there isn't an 2883 03:52:53,159 --> 03:52:56,760 insurance policy you know covering that 2884 03:52:56,760 --> 03:52:59,120 area neither likely will the 2885 03:52:59,120 --> 03:53:00,800 proprietor's insurance cover it because 2886 03:53:00,800 --> 03:53:02,520 it's not part of their defiant premises 2887 03:53:02,520 --> 03:53:05,040 for their commercial liability insurance 2888 03:53:05,040 --> 03:53:06,319 they don't own 2889 03:53:06,319 --> 03:53:10,000 it if there's no paper whatsoever 2890 03:53:10,000 --> 03:53:11,600 indicating what right those people have 2891 03:53:11,600 --> 03:53:13,680 to be there somebody gets heard on on 2892 03:53:13,680 --> 03:53:15,840 the public RightWay there for lack of a 2893 03:53:15,840 --> 03:53:18,680 more polite term so they won't have 2894 03:53:18,680 --> 03:53:20,960 anyone to turn to can't sue 2895 03:53:20,960 --> 03:53:23,760 us the owners insurance company is 2896 03:53:23,760 --> 03:53:25,279 probably say 2897 03:53:25,279 --> 03:53:27,479 no our policy doesn't cover those 2898 03:53:27,479 --> 03:53:29,279 premises so that's some things for you 2899 03:53:29,279 --> 03:53:31,080 to think about in terms of whether you 2900 03:53:31,080 --> 03:53:35,870 want to formalize the use of public 2901 03:53:35,880 --> 03:53:38,439 property that that 2902 03:53:38,439 --> 03:53:42,439 I can't businesses even if it's not in 2903 03:53:42,439 --> 03:53:46,000 their footprint couldn't they they cover 2904 03:53:46,000 --> 03:53:48,520 uh couldn't they get the you know extra 2905 03:53:48,520 --> 03:53:50,560 area absolutely yeah no that that's the 2906 03:53:50,560 --> 03:53:51,960 point in making them go through the 2907 03:53:51,960 --> 03:53:53,319 process and show us that they have 2908 03:53:53,319 --> 03:53:54,920 insurance over that area and get a 2909 03:53:54,920 --> 03:53:57,359 license from us yes absolutely they can 2910 03:53:57,359 --> 03:53:58,279 get 2911 03:53:58,279 --> 03:54:00,600 it 2912 03:54:00,600 --> 03:54:03,760 yes so if you wanted to use the sidewalk 2913 03:54:03,760 --> 03:54:06,159 you have to get insurance that what 2914 03:54:06,159 --> 03:54:08,800 where we're at and pay I think we're 2915 03:54:08,800 --> 03:54:11,080 yeah we're asking is whether if anyone 2916 03:54:11,080 --> 03:54:12,520 wants use Park they have to provide 2917 03:54:12,520 --> 03:54:13,800 insurance it's part of the permanent 2918 03:54:13,800 --> 03:54:15,600 process so asking if someone wanted to 2919 03:54:15,600 --> 03:54:17,760 use an area that's not a par l in the 2920 03:54:17,760 --> 03:54:20,840 right way do we allow that and if so I 2921 03:54:20,840 --> 03:54:23,000 think we would permit it or ring would 2922 03:54:23,000 --> 03:54:24,640 we then permit it the same way as we do 2923 03:54:24,640 --> 03:54:27,720 with parklets and that would requ but 2924 03:54:27,720 --> 03:54:30,960 what we've heard so far is no use of Cs 2925 03:54:30,960 --> 03:54:34,199 yeah so that means we're not going to 2926 03:54:34,199 --> 03:54:36,159 license use 2927 03:54:36,159 --> 03:54:40,040 ofs okay I'm 2928 03:54:40,040 --> 03:54:42,840 sorry including brick I'm 2929 03:54:42,840 --> 03:54:47,469 sorry brick 2930 03:54:47,479 --> 03:54:48,439 because that's where the bikes are 2931 03:54:48,439 --> 03:54:51,520 sitting right on the bricks the bikes 2932 03:54:51,520 --> 03:54:54,680 occasional tall tables and and you know 2933 03:54:54,680 --> 03:54:59,000 stuff like that the The Sandwich 2934 03:54:59,000 --> 03:55:06,149 Board fur kind of 2935 03:55:06,159 --> 03:55:08,840 complicated nonar uses that aren't in 2936 03:55:08,840 --> 03:55:10,520 the sidewalks the rebel sports for 2937 03:55:10,520 --> 03:55:12,920 example we've been permitting them to be 2938 03:55:12,920 --> 03:55:16,040 in the parking um don't use a parklet so 2939 03:55:16,040 --> 03:55:18,159 would we keep allowing that and would we 2940 03:55:18,159 --> 03:55:20,439 put use restrictions if someone else 2941 03:55:20,439 --> 03:55:22,920 wanted to use you know parking area but 2942 03:55:22,920 --> 03:55:24,760 no Park someone said I want put tables 2943 03:55:24,760 --> 03:55:26,159 in 2944 03:55:26,159 --> 03:55:29,279 parking the other uses would be do we 2945 03:55:29,279 --> 03:55:32,080 want to um you know put restrictions 2946 03:55:32,080 --> 03:55:33,960 around that and then permit it as we 2947 03:55:33,960 --> 03:55:36,159 have doing with sports and our thinking 2948 03:55:36,159 --> 03:55:37,920 has been th sport since the very 2949 03:55:37,920 --> 03:55:40,319 beginning is parklets would actually 2950 03:55:40,319 --> 03:55:42,279 inhibit their ability to store as many 2951 03:55:42,279 --> 03:55:45,199 bikes so it's practical but it's also 2952 03:55:45,199 --> 03:55:46,800 you're not which is why we're looking at 2953 03:55:46,800 --> 03:55:49,319 some side railings for parklets people 2954 03:55:49,319 --> 03:55:53,600 aren't hanging out on their bike in that 2955 03:55:53,600 --> 03:55:56,359 roped off area it's a temporary kind of 2956 03:55:56,359 --> 03:55:57,800 like oh I'm gonna grab my bike and I'm 2957 03:55:57,800 --> 03:56:00,720 gonna go whereas people who are seated 2958 03:56:00,720 --> 03:56:02,680 one they need you know they obviously 2959 03:56:02,680 --> 03:56:05,720 need adaa access as well from the 2960 03:56:05,720 --> 03:56:08,520 sidewalk um onto the restaurant seating 2961 03:56:08,520 --> 03:56:11,600 area and we want to we want to provide 2962 03:56:11,600 --> 03:56:13,640 them with a certain sense of Safety and 2963 03:56:13,640 --> 03:56:16,199 Security away from traffic so having 2964 03:56:16,199 --> 03:56:20,120 them just on the road with nothing to 2965 03:56:20,120 --> 03:56:22,640 inhibit parallel Parker going a little 2966 03:56:22,640 --> 03:56:26,910 crazy um is a little bit 2967 03:56:26,920 --> 03:56:32,070 scary that parallel parking I've seen it 2968 03:56:32,080 --> 03:56:35,199 it okay 2969 03:56:35,199 --> 03:56:39,120 okay I knew this would be a hard one so 2970 03:56:39,120 --> 03:56:41,000 are we there like 2971 03:56:41,000 --> 03:56:44,520 just no use of sidewalks are we there 2972 03:56:44,520 --> 03:56:52,030 with Rebel sports that that 2973 03:56:52,040 --> 03:56:54,359 is not gonna start putting restaurant 2974 03:56:54,359 --> 03:56:56,439 seating 2975 03:56:56,439 --> 03:56:59,439 roads very practical and saf it's a 2976 03:56:59,439 --> 03:57:02,080 special exception okay so to be very 2977 03:57:02,080 --> 03:57:04,560 clear then pavers we are considering 2978 03:57:04,560 --> 03:57:06,920 part of the sidewalk it's going to be a 2979 03:57:06,920 --> 03:57:11,399 fairly large change you might hear some 2980 03:57:11,399 --> 03:57:14,520 people well I mean 2981 03:57:14,520 --> 03:57:17,189 I mean we don't 2982 03:57:17,199 --> 03:57:20,080 have I would like the I would like it to 2983 03:57:20,080 --> 03:57:23,239 include the pavers only because of ADA 2984 03:57:23,239 --> 03:57:26,279 and like there's some parts on the 2985 03:57:26,279 --> 03:57:28,800 sidewalk depending on the who's doing a 2986 03:57:28,800 --> 03:57:31,600 parklet where you can't even pass 2987 03:57:31,600 --> 03:57:33,239 somebody you know if you're carrying a 2988 03:57:33,239 --> 03:57:37,239 shopping bag it's so tight and narrow it 2989 03:57:37,239 --> 03:57:39,920 just I don't 2990 03:57:39,920 --> 03:57:42,359 know if you decided to license part of 2991 03:57:42,359 --> 03:57:43,640 it and say Hey you can license the 2992 03:57:43,640 --> 03:57:46,000 papers we could very clearly tell people 2993 03:57:46,000 --> 03:57:49,239 where they can be just to heads up 2994 03:57:49,239 --> 03:57:53,120 but originally when I said calks y I'm 2995 03:57:53,120 --> 03:57:55,120 talking about 2996 03:57:55,120 --> 03:57:58,520 papers okay no 2997 03:57:58,520 --> 03:58:00,920 big objection if we 2998 03:58:00,920 --> 03:58:02,960 do Liz 2999 03:58:02,960 --> 03:58:08,110 has but to me sidewalks were 3000 03:58:08,120 --> 03:58:12,640 sidewalks so I think we answered a few 3001 03:58:12,640 --> 03:58:14,000 of the questions and then we're on to 3002 03:58:14,000 --> 03:58:16,960 this this last one and and again I'll 3003 03:58:16,960 --> 03:58:19,950 ask the 3004 03:58:19,960 --> 03:58:23,359 room can we agree that if we're going 3005 03:58:23,359 --> 03:58:26,279 I'm saying if we're going to allow the 3006 03:58:26,279 --> 03:58:30,359 paper usage are we going to license it I 3007 03:58:30,359 --> 03:58:33,199 would say yes I mean definitely when 3008 03:58:33,199 --> 03:58:39,070 there is 3009 03:58:39,080 --> 03:58:41,960 notk agree that's what exactly what I'm 3010 03:58:41,960 --> 03:58:44,199 getting tricky 3011 03:58:44,199 --> 03:58:47,199 so opt out of a parklet but license the 3012 03:58:47,199 --> 03:58:49,800 paper that's why I say what parklets are 3013 03:58:49,800 --> 03:58:51,439 available that's 3014 03:58:51,439 --> 03:58:54,880 a you so but I feel like it's worst case 3015 03:58:54,880 --> 03:58:56,880 scenario that everybody's going to do 3016 03:58:56,880 --> 03:58:59,199 just that but if somebody doesn't have a 3017 03:58:59,199 --> 03:59:01,319 parklet and they're using the papers and 3018 03:59:01,319 --> 03:59:02,720 then down the street there's somebody 3019 03:59:02,720 --> 03:59:04,199 with a parket they're going to use the 3020 03:59:04,199 --> 03:59:06,279 papers too no you can't use the pap if 3021 03:59:06,279 --> 03:59:09,560 you have during parket season you but if 3022 03:59:09,560 --> 03:59:15,389 you don't have 3023 03:59:15,399 --> 03:59:17,640 yeah how wide are the papers that's that 3024 03:59:17,640 --> 03:59:20,000 is the open question you're you're 3025 03:59:20,000 --> 03:59:22,960 you're both articulating the open to two 3026 03:59:22,960 --> 03:59:25,720 sides of the open question I would say 3027 03:59:25,720 --> 03:59:28,800 no pavers just keep it clean and simple 3028 03:59:28,800 --> 03:59:32,960 carets sidewalkers in the sidewalk it's 3029 03:59:32,960 --> 03:59:35,199 getting 3030 03:59:35,199 --> 03:59:39,790 complicated I'd agree with 3031 03:59:39,800 --> 03:59:42,560 that i' like 3032 03:59:42,560 --> 03:59:44,560 clarification just said it 3033 03:59:44,560 --> 03:59:46,560 okay then they're 3034 03:59:46,560 --> 03:59:49,800 saying par season you cannot use the 3035 03:59:49,800 --> 04:00:04,309 papers that's what that's what 3036 04:00:04,319 --> 04:00:08,800 and well Andy and Elizabeth are saying 3037 04:00:08,800 --> 04:00:13,479 no pavers anytime to be liced your round 3038 04:00:13,479 --> 04:00:16,510 that's correct 3039 04:00:16,520 --> 04:00:19,840 I mean that keeps it clear you're you're 3040 04:00:19,840 --> 04:00:23,319 suggesting if it's associated with the 3041 04:00:23,319 --> 04:00:26,800 paret the pavers in front of it between 3042 04:00:26,800 --> 04:00:31,189 there and the sidewalk can be 3043 04:00:31,199 --> 04:00:33,399 licensed I think what he was suggesting 3044 04:00:33,399 --> 04:00:36,479 no I was suggesting is if during 3045 04:00:36,479 --> 04:00:38,640 Park favers are 3046 04:00:38,640 --> 04:00:42,239 off okay they're no longer an option if 3047 04:00:42,239 --> 04:00:45,479 you want to expand your business bu into 3048 04:00:45,479 --> 04:00:47,279 a parklet you're welcome to but the 3049 04:00:47,279 --> 04:00:50,920 payol buiness non parklet 3050 04:00:50,920 --> 04:00:54,800 season if you want to use the P area you 3051 04:00:54,800 --> 04:00:58,479 can but it comes with a license that's 3052 04:00:58,479 --> 04:01:01,760 I'm not advocating for it I that's what 3053 04:01:01,760 --> 04:01:03,680 I thought we basically what I hear then 3054 04:01:03,680 --> 04:01:06,199 is summer is conducive to parklets as 3055 04:01:06,199 --> 04:01:08,040 Council decided in 3056 04:01:08,040 --> 04:01:10,760 2023 boom but they're not available 3057 04:01:10,760 --> 04:01:12,520 during the winter so you're making a 3058 04:01:12,520 --> 04:01:15,399 different license area available which 3059 04:01:15,399 --> 04:01:18,279 is the pavers that's what I'm hearing 3060 04:01:18,279 --> 04:01:20,080 but from one person so I'm not saying 3061 04:01:20,080 --> 04:01:24,590 I'm not sure I love the idea 3062 04:01:24,600 --> 04:01:27,680 either the only the only Nuance to that 3063 04:01:27,680 --> 04:01:29,880 that I would add to make it more 3064 04:01:29,880 --> 04:01:34,439 complicated is we are often piling snow 3065 04:01:34,439 --> 04:01:38,439 on the papers before we get rid of it so 3066 04:01:38,439 --> 04:01:39,720 I don't think in the winter we can 3067 04:01:39,720 --> 04:01:42,159 license the paving paper because we need 3068 04:01:42,159 --> 04:01:52,790 to clear it that's a great point 3069 04:01:52,800 --> 04:01:55,120 and for the most part I know Rebel in 3070 04:01:55,120 --> 04:01:58,720 the winter is really only using the area 3071 04:01:58,720 --> 04:02:02,359 behind the sidewalk on their property 3072 04:02:02,359 --> 04:02:03,880 like they're not using the pavers 3073 04:02:03,880 --> 04:02:08,349 they're not using the 3074 04:02:08,359 --> 04:02:11,680 sidewalk that's about the flying crane 3075 04:02:11,680 --> 04:02:14,399 they put some clothes racks out of their 3076 04:02:14,399 --> 04:02:15,880 door is 3077 04:02:15,880 --> 04:02:18,560 that probably property because it goes 3078 04:02:18,560 --> 04:02:22,000 in yeah maybe 3079 04:02:22,000 --> 04:02:24,120 oner that's why I said you'll hear from 3080 04:02:24,120 --> 04:02:27,630 people 3081 04:02:27,640 --> 04:02:31,000 so no use of sidewalks it is very clear 3082 04:02:31,000 --> 04:02:34,439 I would say to you it is very clear it 3083 04:02:34,439 --> 04:02:39,349 says that now use 3084 04:02:39,359 --> 04:02:42,840 to so where are we 3085 04:02:42,840 --> 04:02:46,520 at you're going to sidewalks or papers 3086 04:02:46,520 --> 04:02:50,269 yes that's what I'm 3087 04:02:50,279 --> 04:02:52,600 hear live with the 3088 04:02:52,600 --> 04:02:56,120 park sidewalk to safe it's going to take 3089 04:02:56,120 --> 04:02:58,920 a little time for us to um Outreach to 3090 04:02:58,920 --> 04:03:00,880 those businesses and have these 3091 04:03:00,880 --> 04:03:03,080 conversations but they will be had in 3092 04:03:03,080 --> 04:03:05,720 writing and verbally so look for some 3093 04:03:05,720 --> 04:03:11,269 changes I would say over the next 3094 04:03:11,279 --> 04:03:14,960 month probably as you surveyed in your 3095 04:03:14,960 --> 04:03:18,159 mind Main Street in the winter you can 3096 04:03:18,159 --> 04:03:20,000 probably tell who you're going to hear 3097 04:03:20,000 --> 04:03:26,110 about 3098 04:03:26,120 --> 04:03:27,880 yes 3099 04:03:27,880 --> 04:03:32,439 okay if I may in there can we please use 3100 04:03:32,439 --> 04:03:34,080 some 3101 04:03:34,080 --> 04:03:38,960 tact when going it's not just you can't 3102 04:03:38,960 --> 04:03:42,600 use this anymore it's you know it's due 3103 04:03:42,600 --> 04:03:45,120 to safety concerns and everything else 3104 04:03:45,120 --> 04:03:47,750 right thank 3105 04:03:47,760 --> 04:03:52,000 you try not to be as harsh as 3106 04:03:52,000 --> 04:04:00,510 usual as 3107 04:04:00,520 --> 04:04:03,120 we've 15 minutes everybody thank you 3108 04:04:03,120 --> 04:04:08,750 very 3109 04:04:08,760 --> 04:04:11,279 much you know in 3110 04:04:11,279 --> 04:04:19,600 comparison I wish that deed restrict 3111 04:04:19,610 --> 04:04:24,399 [Laughter] 3112 04:04:24,399 --> 04:04:42,630 easy 3113 04:04:42,640 --> 04:05:12,630 was 3114 04:05:12,640 --> 04:18:41,710 e 3115 04:18:41,720 --> 04:19:11,710 for 3116 04:19:11,720 --> 04:21:16,429 e e 3117 04:21:16,439 --> 04:21:18,000 I'm just trying to make sure Andy can 3118 04:21:18,000 --> 04:21:21,309 hear 3119 04:21:21,319 --> 04:21:25,429 us oh 3120 04:21:25,439 --> 04:21:27,720 awesome Mr Mayor you're on mic and 3121 04:21:27,720 --> 04:21:30,640 recording whenever you'd like thank 3122 04:21:30,640 --> 04:21:34,640 you hi everybody it is 7:03 and it's 3123 04:21:34,640 --> 04:21:36,159 time to start the regular meeting of The 3124 04:21:36,159 --> 04:21:39,720 Frisco Town Council for January 14 3125 04:21:39,720 --> 04:21:42,119 2025 and with that we'll go with a roll 3126 04:21:42,119 --> 04:21:46,800 call Alan here in here Aron here script 3127 04:21:46,800 --> 04:21:49,119 check Adrian here Kibby here and the 3128 04:21:49,119 --> 04:21:54,309 Leno is absent and held 3129 04:21:54,319 --> 04:21:57,040 here he said here but I didn't hear him 3130 04:21:57,040 --> 04:21:59,279 very well so I'm gonna make sure these 3131 04:21:59,279 --> 04:22:02,600 are hello hey Andy can you say here one 3132 04:22:02,600 --> 04:22:06,790 more time here can you hear 3133 04:22:06,800 --> 04:22:19,349 me I am unmuted hang on just one sec 3134 04:22:19,359 --> 04:22:23,040 hello here can you hear me okay hang on 3135 04:22:23,040 --> 04:22:25,279 just one sec we're not able to hear you 3136 04:22:25,279 --> 04:22:30,349 Andy I can see that you're 3137 04:22:30,359 --> 04:22:31,960 talking 3138 04:22:31,960 --> 04:22:39,149 awesome beam of the 3139 04:22:39,159 --> 04:22:41,800 night Andy can you unplug your mic and 3140 04:22:41,800 --> 04:23:09,030 plug it back in 3141 04:23:09,040 --> 04:23:19,469 no testing one twoo 3142 04:23:19,479 --> 04:23:22,040 testing one two three anybody can hear 3143 04:23:22,040 --> 04:23:23,600 thanks everyone for coming while we work 3144 04:23:23,600 --> 04:23:37,590 through the technical difficulties 3145 04:23:37,600 --> 04:23:40,040 standby am 3146 04:23:40,040 --> 04:23:48,590 unmuted that just me 3147 04:23:48,600 --> 04:24:00,469 testing one 3148 04:24:00,479 --> 04:24:06,910 two everything works on my 3149 04:24:06,920 --> 04:24:10,030 side 3150 04:24:10,040 --> 04:24:17,750 awesome can can you hear me testing one 3151 04:24:17,760 --> 04:24:20,520 too and I didn't know I had the paper on 3152 04:24:20,520 --> 04:24:21,520 oh 3153 04:24:21,520 --> 04:24:24,359 excellent not report to the shelter 3154 04:24:24,359 --> 04:24:26,080 what's this on the outside oh it's a 3155 04:24:26,080 --> 04:24:51,109 paper and I ate a bunch of it 3156 04:24:51,119 --> 04:24:54,080 you tell me you're testing one 3157 04:24:54,080 --> 04:24:56,840 too I appreciate everyone online can 3158 04:24:56,840 --> 04:25:06,870 hear me but no one in Chambers 3159 04:25:06,880 --> 04:25:10,399 Canen between you guys between might it 3160 04:25:10,399 --> 04:25:11,760 was a year and a half before I ever met 3161 04:25:11,760 --> 04:25:34,630 anybody right 3162 04:25:34,640 --> 04:25:40,830 person one more time hello testing one 3163 04:25:40,840 --> 04:25:43,800 two thank you can hear you thank you so 3164 04:25:43,800 --> 04:25:47,319 much everyone's present except blenco is 3165 04:25:47,319 --> 04:25:50,840 absent yes I'm here thank you perfect 3166 04:25:50,840 --> 04:25:52,399 thanks Andy thank you 3167 04:25:52,399 --> 04:25:54,920 Stacy uh with that we completed our roll 3168 04:25:54,920 --> 04:25:57,800 call let's move into public 3169 04:25:57,800 --> 04:26:00,000 comment and we just get through this 3170 04:26:00,000 --> 04:26:01,800 people making public comment must State 3171 04:26:01,800 --> 04:26:03,520 their name and physical address for the 3172 04:26:03,520 --> 04:26:06,080 record be topic specific and limit 3173 04:26:06,080 --> 04:26:08,479 comments to three minutes or less no 3174 04:26:08,479 --> 04:26:10,359 council action will be taken on public 3175 04:26:10,359 --> 04:26:13,439 comments and at Council meetings Council 3176 04:26:13,439 --> 04:26:15,479 takes public comments under advisement 3177 04:26:15,479 --> 04:26:17,840 and if a council Andor staff response is 3178 04:26:17,840 --> 04:26:20,159 deemed necessary or appropriate the 3179 04:26:20,159 --> 04:26:21,840 individual making the comment will 3180 04:26:21,840 --> 04:26:24,239 receive a formal response from the town 3181 04:26:24,239 --> 04:26:26,399 at a later date it is recommended to 3182 04:26:26,399 --> 04:26:28,560 sign in at the welcome desk at each 3183 04:26:28,560 --> 04:26:31,199 meeting and include contact information 3184 04:26:31,199 --> 04:26:32,760 with that do we have any public comment 3185 04:26:32,760 --> 04:26:45,189 in the room 3186 04:26:45,199 --> 04:26:46,960 uh good evening Mr Mayor and members of 3187 04:26:46,960 --> 04:26:48,960 the Town Council my name is Matt aan 3188 04:26:48,960 --> 04:26:52,040 this is my wife Natalie Aman uh we live 3189 04:26:52,040 --> 04:26:55,520 in Englewood Colorado 3254 South banic 3190 04:26:55,520 --> 04:26:59,119 Street uh tonight we're here to speak um 3191 04:26:59,119 --> 04:27:01,080 and seek your support and collaboration 3192 04:27:01,080 --> 04:27:03,159 to bring wildart Sona company to the 3193 04:27:03,159 --> 04:27:05,600 town of Frisco we understand the Town 3194 04:27:05,600 --> 04:27:07,479 Council has concerns about operating on 3195 04:27:07,479 --> 04:27:09,800 town-owned land and our goal tonight is 3196 04:27:09,800 --> 04:27:11,479 to express our commitment to finding a 3197 04:27:11,479 --> 04:27:13,800 solution that work for everyone whether 3198 04:27:13,800 --> 04:27:15,439 through a specially use permit or other 3199 04:27:15,439 --> 04:27:18,000 viable option we believe wildart sonuna 3200 04:27:18,000 --> 04:27:20,600 company can be an asset to Frisco so 3201 04:27:20,600 --> 04:27:22,560 wildart sauna is more than a business to 3202 04:27:22,560 --> 04:27:25,199 us it's a vision that has been inspired 3203 04:27:25,199 --> 04:27:27,880 by our love for sauna culture and the 3204 04:27:27,880 --> 04:27:31,319 healing um benefits that comes with that 3205 04:27:31,319 --> 04:27:33,000 so sonas have been cherished for 3206 04:27:33,000 --> 04:27:34,880 centuries offering physical benefits 3207 04:27:34,880 --> 04:27:37,399 such as improved circulation um Muscle 3208 04:27:37,399 --> 04:27:39,479 Recovery immune Health while also 3209 04:27:39,479 --> 04:27:41,279 providing a space for peace mental 3210 04:27:41,279 --> 04:27:43,000 Clarity and emot 3211 04:27:43,000 --> 04:27:44,760 wellbeing um so I kind of want to 3212 04:27:44,760 --> 04:27:46,319 briefly paint a picture of what our 3213 04:27:46,319 --> 04:27:48,239 experience would look like so you would 3214 04:27:48,239 --> 04:27:50,640 um arrive to wildart sauna we're leaving 3215 04:27:50,640 --> 04:27:52,359 our phones behind and you're going to 3216 04:27:52,359 --> 04:27:54,680 step into the warmth of our sauna during 3217 04:27:54,680 --> 04:27:56,600 our lightly guided session we are going 3218 04:27:56,600 --> 04:27:59,080 to be explaining how to expose yourself 3219 04:27:59,080 --> 04:28:01,199 to the Heat and the Cold Mountain Air to 3220 04:28:01,199 --> 04:28:03,159 get the most benefit from the thermal 3221 04:28:03,159 --> 04:28:05,279 cycle um we're also fostering an 3222 04:28:05,279 --> 04:28:08,080 environment to enjoy and embrace the 3223 04:28:08,080 --> 04:28:10,960 beauty of Frisco and after your sauna 3224 04:28:10,960 --> 04:28:13,080 session we welcome you to stay and 3225 04:28:13,080 --> 04:28:15,119 rehydrate and relax before going back to 3226 04:28:15,119 --> 04:28:18,880 your day um our goal is to commit to 3227 04:28:18,880 --> 04:28:20,760 offer a wellness experience that's 3228 04:28:20,760 --> 04:28:22,680 unique to Frisco and complements the 3229 04:28:22,680 --> 04:28:24,800 lifestyle and creates meaningful moments 3230 04:28:24,800 --> 04:28:27,439 to those who use it beyond the emotional 3231 04:28:27,439 --> 04:28:29,640 and cultural ties our proposal aligns 3232 04:28:29,640 --> 04:28:31,080 strongly with the town of Frisco's 3233 04:28:31,080 --> 04:28:35,880 strategic plan as outlined in goal B do5 3234 04:28:35,880 --> 04:28:37,840 uh we are promoting Recreation wellness 3235 04:28:37,840 --> 04:28:39,640 and sustainability while fostering 3236 04:28:39,640 --> 04:28:42,319 economic growth we aim to provide an AM 3237 04:28:42,319 --> 04:28:44,720 that has seen growing demand Nationwide 3238 04:28:44,720 --> 04:28:47,359 place for both seasonal uh visitors as 3239 04:28:47,359 --> 04:28:50,399 well as year-round residents uh to enjoy 3240 04:28:50,399 --> 04:28:52,319 by partnering with the town wildart Sona 3241 04:28:52,319 --> 04:28:54,119 company will enhance Frisco's unique 3242 04:28:54,119 --> 04:28:57,239 charm support the local economy enrich 3243 04:28:57,239 --> 04:28:59,920 recreational offerings and thoughtfully 3244 04:28:59,920 --> 04:29:01,800 contribute to the community environment 3245 04:29:01,800 --> 04:29:05,040 that makes the town of Frisco so special 3246 04:29:05,040 --> 04:29:07,000 we deeply appreciate the Town Council 3247 04:29:07,000 --> 04:29:09,119 and Frisco's dedicated staff and the 3248 04:29:09,119 --> 04:29:10,520 leadership for their guidance and 3249 04:29:10,520 --> 04:29:13,520 support and helping us reach this point 3250 04:29:13,520 --> 04:29:14,840 uh the assistance that we've received 3251 04:29:14,840 --> 04:29:16,319 from the marina the Community 3252 04:29:16,319 --> 04:29:18,239 Development Public Works and finance 3253 04:29:18,239 --> 04:29:20,439 departments has been invaluable and we 3254 04:29:20,439 --> 04:29:21,840 look forward to continuing this 3255 04:29:21,840 --> 04:29:23,479 partnership as we work together to 3256 04:29:23,479 --> 04:29:25,640 achieve our goal thank you great thank 3257 04:29:25,640 --> 04:29:27,560 you 3258 04:29:27,560 --> 04:29:29,960 guys your public comments tonight I want 3259 04:29:29,960 --> 04:29:32,239 to inform everyone online and in the 3260 04:29:32,239 --> 04:29:34,520 room that we are not using our three 3261 04:29:34,520 --> 04:29:36,720 minute timers tonight because of the 3262 04:29:36,720 --> 04:29:38,199 number of comments we may be 3263 04:29:38,199 --> 04:29:39,960 anticipating so we're going to be 3264 04:29:39,960 --> 04:29:42,880 running that manually I will will be 3265 04:29:42,880 --> 04:29:44,479 given 3266 04:29:44,479 --> 04:29:48,279 uh we're out of time sign and I'll 3267 04:29:48,279 --> 04:29:50,199 engage with you guys as we go forward so 3268 04:29:50,199 --> 04:29:51,880 thanks for everyone's respect on the 3269 04:29:51,880 --> 04:29:53,960 front side of that with that any other 3270 04:29:53,960 --> 04:29:58,030 public 3271 04:29:58,040 --> 04:30:00,840 comments hello my name is Alex Beach uh 3272 04:30:00,840 --> 04:30:03,399 408 Second Avenue here in Frisco for 3273 04:30:03,399 --> 04:30:07,080 three more months now um sat through the 3274 04:30:07,080 --> 04:30:09,119 work session with you guys uh I've 3275 04:30:09,119 --> 04:30:11,279 emailed all of everyone on Council uh as 3276 04:30:11,279 --> 04:30:12,840 well as the town manager and the housing 3277 04:30:12,840 --> 04:30:15,359 staff some some concerns that I had on 3278 04:30:15,359 --> 04:30:17,359 the staff report and draft that was 3279 04:30:17,359 --> 04:30:19,399 discussed uh a couple of things that I 3280 04:30:19,399 --> 04:30:22,560 wanted to speak about here at the public 3281 04:30:22,560 --> 04:30:26,080 forum tonight um one is yes we've talked 3282 04:30:26,080 --> 04:30:27,319 a little bit about you guys talked a 3283 04:30:27,319 --> 04:30:29,840 little bit about waiting uh the lottery 3284 04:30:29,840 --> 04:30:31,319 under the new restricted housing 3285 04:30:31,319 --> 04:30:33,439 Covenant a little bit for longtime 3286 04:30:33,439 --> 04:30:35,040 residents um I don't believe that it's 3287 04:30:35,040 --> 04:30:37,040 enough I've been in lotteries with 400 3288 04:30:37,040 --> 04:30:39,479 people um so two or three extra lottery 3289 04:30:39,479 --> 04:30:41,520 entries when there's 400 people in a 3290 04:30:41,520 --> 04:30:43,319 lottery isn't going to substantially 3291 04:30:43,319 --> 04:30:44,880 increase the odds for for people that 3292 04:30:44,880 --> 04:30:47,399 have been here a long time um also one 3293 04:30:47,399 --> 04:30:48,880 of the really important things I think 3294 04:30:48,880 --> 04:30:50,319 that still needs to be kept open we 3295 04:30:50,319 --> 04:30:51,680 wasn't discussed at this meeting I'm 3296 04:30:51,680 --> 04:30:52,840 sure it's going to be discussed at the 3297 04:30:52,840 --> 04:30:55,880 next one is uh the seller being able to 3298 04:30:55,880 --> 04:30:58,359 choose their buyer um I think that is an 3299 04:30:58,359 --> 04:31:01,960 important part uh of our housing program 3300 04:31:01,960 --> 04:31:02,800 here in 3301 04:31:02,800 --> 04:31:05,119 Frisco um whether it's you know an 3302 04:31:05,119 --> 04:31:08,279 employer wanting to sell to an employee 3303 04:31:08,279 --> 04:31:10,000 uh you know or a friend selling to a 3304 04:31:10,000 --> 04:31:11,560 friend we shouldn't be limiting that 3305 04:31:11,560 --> 04:31:12,840 opportunity 3306 04:31:12,840 --> 04:31:14,319 um I also just want to take a quick 3307 04:31:14,319 --> 04:31:16,600 survey people in the room who here lives 3308 04:31:16,600 --> 04:31:18,520 in a deed restricted 3309 04:31:18,520 --> 04:31:21,359 unit including two members of council 3310 04:31:21,359 --> 04:31:23,880 who are here I believe uh Liz and Rick 3311 04:31:23,880 --> 04:31:25,359 you guys are ined restricted and who 3312 04:31:25,359 --> 04:31:28,520 here had to win a lottery to occupy that 3313 04:31:28,520 --> 04:31:29,840 deed restricted 3314 04:31:29,840 --> 04:31:33,560 unit nobody okay and I believe you two 3315 04:31:33,560 --> 04:31:35,040 didn't have to win a lottery either to 3316 04:31:35,040 --> 04:31:37,399 get your unit uh so under the current 3317 04:31:37,399 --> 04:31:39,239 proposal that you guys are planning 3318 04:31:39,239 --> 04:31:41,080 nobody in this room would occupy their 3319 04:31:41,080 --> 04:31:42,680 destricted 3320 04:31:42,680 --> 04:31:44,359 right everyone here got their unit 3321 04:31:44,359 --> 04:31:46,439 because someone chose to sell it to them 3322 04:31:46,439 --> 04:31:48,399 whether it was a friend whether it was a 3323 04:31:48,399 --> 04:31:49,960 friend of a friend through the community 3324 04:31:49,960 --> 04:31:51,239 ties that they've made from living in 3325 04:31:51,239 --> 04:31:53,119 this community for a long time I think 3326 04:31:53,119 --> 04:31:55,040 eliminating that opportunity is 3327 04:31:55,040 --> 04:31:57,520 completely ruining uh long-term 3328 04:31:57,520 --> 04:31:59,159 residents ability to make connections in 3329 04:31:59,159 --> 04:32:01,119 this community for people to have 3330 04:32:01,119 --> 04:32:03,520 property rights to sell their property 3331 04:32:03,520 --> 04:32:05,560 to a friend or to an employer um and I 3332 04:32:05,560 --> 04:32:07,080 think that's a very important aspect 3333 04:32:07,080 --> 04:32:09,520 that we need to keep open um I also want 3334 04:32:09,520 --> 04:32:11,600 to take the little bit of time that I 3335 04:32:11,600 --> 04:32:13,199 have left I know we're going to be 3336 04:32:13,199 --> 04:32:15,520 having a vacancy on the Town Council 3337 04:32:15,520 --> 04:32:18,359 here coming up um I think it's time that 3338 04:32:18,359 --> 04:32:21,239 we have someone on Council who like I 3339 04:32:21,239 --> 04:32:23,760 know a number of you have moved here and 3340 04:32:23,760 --> 04:32:25,279 you know struggled and lived the skum 3341 04:32:25,279 --> 04:32:27,040 life but you're all past that now we 3342 04:32:27,040 --> 04:32:28,600 need somebody here who is working 3343 04:32:28,600 --> 04:32:30,920 multiple jobs who has multiple roommates 3344 04:32:30,920 --> 04:32:32,600 who is struggling to survive in this 3345 04:32:32,600 --> 04:32:34,399 County so I want to throw my hat in the 3346 04:32:34,399 --> 04:32:36,680 ring for the open Town Council seat um 3347 04:32:36,680 --> 04:32:37,920 and I think it's important that our 3348 04:32:37,920 --> 04:32:40,119 demographic is represented here in 3349 04:32:40,119 --> 04:32:42,439 Frisco because we are a large 3350 04:32:42,439 --> 04:32:44,319 uh conglomerate of people in this 3351 04:32:44,319 --> 04:32:45,800 community that whose voices are not 3352 04:32:45,800 --> 04:32:53,030 often heard thank you 3353 04:32:53,040 --> 04:32:55,840 thanks Dave Sherman address local 3354 04:32:55,840 --> 04:33:00,600 address here 740 medal Creek Drive Unit 3355 04:33:00,600 --> 04:33:04,680 D and we all uh my wife and I also own a 3356 04:33:04,680 --> 04:33:06,561 commercial property down town here I 3357 04:33:06,561 --> 04:33:09,119 don't know if you need that address but 3358 04:33:09,119 --> 04:33:11,879 um I'm here to support people like Alex 3359 04:33:11,879 --> 04:33:14,959 are long-term residents that are 3360 04:33:14,959 --> 04:33:18,199 struggling to find a a permanent home 3361 04:33:18,199 --> 04:33:20,600 here in town and they'd like to stay 3362 04:33:20,600 --> 04:33:23,799 here we all know people that have left 3363 04:33:23,799 --> 04:33:27,000 the community because they cannot afford 3364 04:33:27,000 --> 04:33:29,039 to own a home here and they want to move 3365 04:33:29,039 --> 04:33:32,561 on with their life so I um I do like the 3366 04:33:32,561 --> 04:33:35,359 idea of giving waiting a heavier waiting 3367 04:33:35,359 --> 04:33:40,439 to folks that have been here for 5 10 15 3368 04:33:40,439 --> 04:33:42,480 20 years I don't know how you want to 3369 04:33:42,480 --> 04:33:45,760 stagger it five years um those people 3370 04:33:45,760 --> 04:33:46,879 most of 3371 04:33:46,879 --> 04:33:49,879 them uh a lot of them that I know are 3372 04:33:49,879 --> 04:33:52,000 embedded in the community they've got 3373 04:33:52,000 --> 04:33:54,480 multiple jobs uh some of them are 3374 04:33:54,480 --> 04:33:58,000 managers or owners or Partners in 3375 04:33:58,000 --> 04:34:00,400 businesses and we'd like to keep them in 3376 04:34:00,400 --> 04:34:02,119 the community and I know they're going 3377 04:34:02,119 --> 04:34:04,359 to leave if they if they can't if they 3378 04:34:04,359 --> 04:34:09,080 can't find a a home um second um I like 3379 04:34:09,080 --> 04:34:12,719 the idea of allowing the 3380 04:34:12,719 --> 04:34:15,600 owner of a deed restricted home or 3381 04:34:15,600 --> 04:34:19,240 whatever to choose their buyer because I 3382 04:34:19,240 --> 04:34:22,039 I believe that some of those folks maybe 3383 04:34:22,039 --> 04:34:23,680 if you're an owner in a business and 3384 04:34:23,680 --> 04:34:26,400 you've got a strong manager or an upand 3385 04:34:26,400 --> 04:34:28,920 cominging uh employee that could be a 3386 04:34:28,920 --> 04:34:31,561 partner um somebody that manages that 3387 04:34:31,561 --> 04:34:33,760 business when you're away from the 3388 04:34:33,760 --> 04:34:36,279 community an incentive to keep them here 3389 04:34:36,279 --> 04:34:37,160 in the 3390 04:34:37,160 --> 04:34:38,719 town 3391 04:34:38,719 --> 04:34:41,160 um and then I'd also like to see the 3392 04:34:41,160 --> 04:34:44,240 barbecue Festival come back and the 3393 04:34:44,240 --> 04:34:46,480 fireworks at the 4th of July do I have 3394 04:34:46,480 --> 04:34:48,600 any time 3395 04:34:48,600 --> 04:34:53,429 left thank 3396 04:34:53,439 --> 04:35:02,230 you any other public comments in 3397 04:35:02,240 --> 04:35:05,840 chamber all right hi my name is Sarah I 3398 04:35:05,840 --> 04:35:08,000 live at 539 Granite Street here in 3399 04:35:08,000 --> 04:35:10,359 Brisco I am here because I believe that 3400 04:35:10,359 --> 04:35:12,160 deed restricted homes belong to those 3401 04:35:12,160 --> 04:35:14,561 who work in the county I have reviewed 3402 04:35:14,561 --> 04:35:16,320 the proposed changes in the New Covenant 3403 04:35:16,320 --> 04:35:18,000 and I believe two of those changes do 3404 04:35:18,000 --> 04:35:20,160 not support housing the workforce of 3405 04:35:20,160 --> 04:35:22,439 Frisco first the town is proposing a 3406 04:35:22,439 --> 04:35:24,039 change to the work requirement to 3407 04:35:24,039 --> 04:35:26,279 qualify for deed restriction the New 3408 04:35:26,279 --> 04:35:27,959 Covenant would require that a home owner 3409 04:35:27,959 --> 04:35:29,840 to work in the county only at the time 3410 04:35:29,840 --> 04:35:32,400 of purchase therefore someone could work 3411 04:35:32,400 --> 04:35:34,879 here for a season purchase a Dr quit 3412 04:35:34,879 --> 04:35:36,561 their job and afterwards only be 3413 04:35:36,561 --> 04:35:38,760 required to occupy their home once every 3414 04:35:38,760 --> 04:35:41,279 90 days potentially making their deed 3415 04:35:41,279 --> 04:35:44,080 restricted home into a second home there 3416 04:35:44,080 --> 04:35:46,039 is no oversight or work requirement 3417 04:35:46,039 --> 04:35:48,561 after the initial initial purchase I 3418 04:35:48,561 --> 04:35:50,600 asked the board is the purpose of dued 3419 04:35:50,600 --> 04:35:52,240 restriction the only affordable housing 3420 04:35:52,240 --> 04:35:54,439 in Frisco to give more second homes to 3421 04:35:54,439 --> 04:35:57,119 people who have no longer work here I'd 3422 04:35:57,119 --> 04:35:58,600 say affordable housing should go to 3423 04:35:58,600 --> 04:36:01,000 those who work here I was shocked to see 3424 04:36:01,000 --> 04:36:02,439 this sentiment removed from the purpose 3425 04:36:02,439 --> 04:36:04,600 statement for a Dr the statement that 3426 04:36:04,600 --> 04:36:07,039 was removed read and I quote to help 3427 04:36:07,039 --> 04:36:08,719 establish and preserve a supply of 3428 04:36:08,719 --> 04:36:10,719 moderately priced housing to help meet 3429 04:36:10,719 --> 04:36:12,039 the needs of the local employed 3430 04:36:12,039 --> 04:36:14,439 residents of seit County I ask the 3431 04:36:14,439 --> 04:36:15,840 council again what is the point of 3432 04:36:15,840 --> 04:36:17,680 affordable housing if not to how th 3433 04:36:17,680 --> 04:36:19,639 house those who work here and cannot 3434 04:36:19,639 --> 04:36:22,561 afford to buy a home in market value the 3435 04:36:22,561 --> 04:36:24,240 Second Challenge I have is to the method 3436 04:36:24,240 --> 04:36:26,480 of resale for a deed restriction the new 3437 04:36:26,480 --> 04:36:28,359 amendment requires that all resales go 3438 04:36:28,359 --> 04:36:30,480 through a lottery or system removing the 3439 04:36:30,480 --> 04:36:32,240 current options for locals who live here 3440 04:36:32,240 --> 04:36:34,600 for quite some time and meet the 3441 04:36:34,600 --> 04:36:36,359 qualifications to purchase a home 3442 04:36:36,359 --> 04:36:39,000 through a friend or application process 3443 04:36:39,000 --> 04:36:40,240 this creates problems through the 3444 04:36:40,240 --> 04:36:42,080 arbitrary nature of the lottery 3445 04:36:42,080 --> 04:36:44,760 system let's say a destricted homeowner 3446 04:36:44,760 --> 04:36:46,840 has had a renter for many years the 3447 04:36:46,840 --> 04:36:48,199 renter loves their home and has 3448 04:36:48,199 --> 04:36:49,840 maintained and cherished it for some 3449 04:36:49,840 --> 04:36:52,160 time the homeowner decides to move and 3450 04:36:52,160 --> 04:36:54,520 sell the previous Covenant allows the 3451 04:36:54,520 --> 04:36:56,039 homeowner the option to sell to that 3452 04:36:56,039 --> 04:36:58,920 tenant under the New Covenant with the 3453 04:36:58,920 --> 04:37:00,879 mandatory Lottery the tenant would have 3454 04:37:00,879 --> 04:37:03,279 a 1% chance at best to win the right to 3455 04:37:03,279 --> 04:37:05,799 buy their home if the renter is unable 3456 04:37:05,799 --> 04:37:07,760 to win their home they would be forced 3457 04:37:07,760 --> 04:37:09,959 to vacate search for a rare affordable 3458 04:37:09,959 --> 04:37:12,160 rental rate without without finding such 3459 04:37:12,160 --> 04:37:14,279 a place they too may be forced to leave 3460 04:37:14,279 --> 04:37:17,600 the county I asked the councel how is UN 3461 04:37:17,600 --> 04:37:18,959 housing someone who works in the county 3462 04:37:18,959 --> 04:37:21,639 a good thing especially considering the 3463 04:37:21,639 --> 04:37:23,279 person buying Under the New Covenant 3464 04:37:23,279 --> 04:37:25,080 isn't even required to work here after 3465 04:37:25,080 --> 04:37:27,639 initial purchase why is removing the 3466 04:37:27,639 --> 04:37:29,320 owner's right to choose who to sell to a 3467 04:37:29,320 --> 04:37:31,959 good thing any normal homeover has that 3468 04:37:31,959 --> 04:37:34,359 right if I ever got lucky enough to own 3469 04:37:34,359 --> 04:37:36,600 a Dr and I wanted to move or retire 3470 04:37:36,600 --> 04:37:38,840 elsewhere I'd love to sell my home to a 3471 04:37:38,840 --> 04:37:40,680 friend someone who could cherish this 3472 04:37:40,680 --> 04:37:42,439 place like I have 3473 04:37:42,439 --> 04:37:43,879 or I would take offers through 3474 04:37:43,879 --> 04:37:45,920 application I love the opportunity to 3475 04:37:45,920 --> 04:37:47,561 sell to someone with an amazing story 3476 04:37:47,561 --> 04:37:49,279 who works here and has been trying to 3477 04:37:49,279 --> 04:37:52,320 live here in conclusion I believe deed 3478 04:37:52,320 --> 04:37:54,320 restriction with a job requirement after 3479 04:37:54,320 --> 04:37:56,240 purchase allows people who work here the 3480 04:37:56,240 --> 04:37:59,119 ability to live here I also believe Dr 3481 04:37:59,119 --> 04:38:00,320 homeowners should have the right to 3482 04:38:00,320 --> 04:38:03,000 choose who to sell to I believe that the 3483 04:38:03,000 --> 04:38:04,719 only affordable housing in Frisco should 3484 04:38:04,719 --> 04:38:07,000 go to those who work here that way they 3485 04:38:07,000 --> 04:38:08,719 can live here too thank you for your 3486 04:38:08,719 --> 04:38:15,070 time 3487 04:38:15,080 --> 04:38:22,789 more public 3488 04:38:22,799 --> 04:38:26,000 comment um hi my name is Daren I live at 3489 04:38:26,000 --> 04:38:28,561 539 Grand Street and I've been living 3490 04:38:28,561 --> 04:38:30,561 and working in Sumit County for eight 3491 04:38:30,561 --> 04:38:33,959 years uh I bought a DED restrict home in 3492 04:38:33,959 --> 04:38:37,119 2021 um I was able to purchase my home 3493 04:38:37,119 --> 04:38:39,480 through an application to the owner in 3494 04:38:39,480 --> 04:38:41,000 which I wrote a letter explaining my 3495 04:38:41,000 --> 04:38:42,400 story 3496 04:38:42,400 --> 04:38:43,760 I'm going to read a part of that letter 3497 04:38:43,760 --> 04:38:47,080 to you right now um when I was a kid I 3498 04:38:47,080 --> 04:38:48,520 fell in love with skiing at Copper 3499 04:38:48,520 --> 04:38:50,520 Mountain in a middle school journal 3500 04:38:50,520 --> 04:38:53,359 entry I asked myself I wonder what type 3501 04:38:53,359 --> 04:38:55,600 of degree you need to be a ski 3502 04:38:55,600 --> 04:38:58,799 instructor cool job um I love the 3503 04:38:58,799 --> 04:39:00,561 mountains after graduating college I 3504 04:39:00,561 --> 04:39:02,680 made the decision to pursue my passion 3505 04:39:02,680 --> 04:39:04,680 and I've been teaching ski a copper ever 3506 04:39:04,680 --> 04:39:07,439 since um I'm so lucky to be able to be 3507 04:39:07,439 --> 04:39:09,080 living my childhood dream and in moving 3508 04:39:09,080 --> 04:39:10,879 to Sumit County to pursue that dream I 3509 04:39:10,879 --> 04:39:13,000 found a place that feels like home 3510 04:39:13,000 --> 04:39:14,520 living in Summit year round these last 3511 04:39:14,520 --> 04:39:16,240 few years has given me a community of 3512 04:39:16,240 --> 04:39:17,719 people who love the outdoors as much as 3513 04:39:17,719 --> 04:39:19,840 I do and I hope to grow my roots in 3514 04:39:19,840 --> 04:39:21,520 Summit County for many years to come 3515 04:39:21,520 --> 04:39:23,959 that's my letter under the proposed 3516 04:39:23,959 --> 04:39:26,199 changes to the new restrictive covenant 3517 04:39:26,199 --> 04:39:27,920 my story would have not have mattered 3518 04:39:27,920 --> 04:39:29,279 and I would not be here 3519 04:39:29,279 --> 04:39:31,840 today I firmly believe that homeowners 3520 04:39:31,840 --> 04:39:33,439 should have the right to choose who to 3521 04:39:33,439 --> 04:39:35,920 sell their homes to the lottery is an 3522 04:39:35,920 --> 04:39:37,840 arbitrary system and to require a 3523 04:39:37,840 --> 04:39:39,680 homeowner to enter their home into a 3524 04:39:39,680 --> 04:39:42,040 lottery means that the actual people who 3525 04:39:42,040 --> 04:39:44,120 live and work in the county who build 3526 04:39:44,120 --> 04:39:46,160 relationships and 3527 04:39:46,160 --> 04:39:48,320 community and who deserve to have their 3528 04:39:48,320 --> 04:39:50,480 story heard are Whittle down to just a 3529 04:39:50,480 --> 04:39:53,520 number in conclusion I am limiting or I 3530 04:39:53,520 --> 04:39:55,600 am against limiting homeowners resale 3531 04:39:55,600 --> 04:39:58,120 options to just the lottery I'd like 3532 04:39:58,120 --> 04:39:59,920 more stories like mine to be heard thank 3533 04:39:59,920 --> 04:40:05,750 you for your 3534 04:40:05,760 --> 04:40:15,150 time public comment in the room 3535 04:40:15,160 --> 04:40:18,280 I'll just do a quick one um my name is 3536 04:40:18,280 --> 04:40:19,200 Mary 3537 04:40:19,200 --> 04:40:22,040 Sherman uh We've owned uh property in 3538 04:40:22,040 --> 04:40:25,280 the lagoon since the early 90s and in 3539 04:40:25,280 --> 04:40:27,160 the last few years we've bought property 3540 04:40:27,160 --> 04:40:31,280 on Main Street uh my business has um 3541 04:40:31,280 --> 04:40:33,280 worked with other businesses in the 3542 04:40:33,280 --> 04:40:35,600 county mine is in wheat rdge but I've 3543 04:40:35,600 --> 04:40:38,280 been fortunate enough to work with u 3544 04:40:38,280 --> 04:40:40,080 businesses up here in the county so I 3545 04:40:40,080 --> 04:40:43,320 feel like we have some Roots here you 3546 04:40:43,320 --> 04:40:46,240 know we spend my husband and I spend a 3547 04:40:46,240 --> 04:40:50,560 lot of time socially in Frisco at 3548 04:40:50,560 --> 04:40:53,360 different businesses here and we get to 3549 04:40:53,360 --> 04:40:55,560 know these people and they are good 3550 04:40:55,560 --> 04:40:59,600 people and everything they're saying I'm 3551 04:40:59,600 --> 04:41:00,920 not going to 3552 04:41:00,920 --> 04:41:03,000 repeat I fully 3553 04:41:03,000 --> 04:41:05,760 support I was baffled to find out that 3554 04:41:05,760 --> 04:41:08,638 it takes a lottery for them to get the 3555 04:41:08,638 --> 04:41:12,120 ability to buy property here 3556 04:41:12,120 --> 04:41:15,958 so I support them great thanks thanks 3557 04:41:15,958 --> 04:41:21,310 for all you 3558 04:41:21,320 --> 04:41:27,350 do public comment in 3559 04:41:27,360 --> 04:41:30,000 Chambers any more online 3560 04:41:30,000 --> 04:41:34,718 Stacy don't see any if you're online you 3561 04:41:34,718 --> 04:41:37,160 could raise your hand on 3562 04:41:37,160 --> 04:41:42,000 Zoom I'm seeing none seeing none okay 3563 04:41:42,000 --> 04:41:43,520 with that we're going to move on to 3564 04:41:43,520 --> 04:41:45,480 Mayor and Council 3565 04:41:45,480 --> 04:41:48,920 comments Andy you have any comments I 3566 04:41:48,920 --> 04:41:51,560 caught you with the 3567 04:41:51,560 --> 04:41:54,120 drink I'd just like to say thank you for 3568 04:41:54,120 --> 04:41:56,920 everyone showing up and and uh speaking 3569 04:41:56,920 --> 04:42:00,200 your mind and I everything gets taken 3570 04:42:00,200 --> 04:42:02,718 under consideration thank you thanks 3571 04:42:02,718 --> 04:42:04,560 Andy anyone 3572 04:42:04,560 --> 04:42:06,760 else I just like the second Andy's 3573 04:42:06,760 --> 04:42:08,240 comments I really appreciate when people 3574 04:42:08,240 --> 04:42:09,798 show up for public comment it's a very 3575 04:42:09,798 --> 04:42:11,360 important part of the process of thank 3576 04:42:11,360 --> 04:42:12,718 you all for being 3577 04:42:12,718 --> 04:42:14,560 here 3578 04:42:14,560 --> 04:42:17,120 great I want to thank staff for working 3579 04:42:17,120 --> 04:42:18,878 through the holidays it was very busy 3580 04:42:18,878 --> 04:42:21,400 the Tubing Hill has got six lanes open 3581 04:42:21,400 --> 04:42:23,040 and our staffing numbers are looking 3582 04:42:23,040 --> 04:42:26,200 really well we've had uh good responses 3583 04:42:26,200 --> 04:42:28,160 from our visitors and our locals alike 3584 04:42:28,160 --> 04:42:30,000 who've been enjoying the Tubing Hill in 3585 04:42:30,000 --> 04:42:32,240 the Nordic Center and I know that Public 3586 04:42:32,240 --> 04:42:33,920 Works is working really hard to keep the 3587 04:42:33,920 --> 04:42:35,760 streets clear so thank you for everyone 3588 04:42:35,760 --> 04:42:37,440 working the long hours and early 3589 04:42:37,440 --> 04:42:40,040 mornings and again I'll Echo the other 3590 04:42:40,040 --> 04:42:43,040 council members comments it really is 3591 04:42:43,040 --> 04:42:45,000 appreciated when folks come and speak to 3592 04:42:45,000 --> 04:42:48,000 us here at our meetings and we again do 3593 04:42:48,000 --> 04:42:49,840 take everything under consideration so 3594 04:42:49,840 --> 04:42:52,040 thank you with that we're g to move over 3595 04:42:52,040 --> 04:42:53,840 to staff 3596 04:42:53,840 --> 04:42:57,240 updates okay I've got a few tonight um 3597 04:42:57,240 --> 04:43:00,320 first of all um there is a Colorado 3598 04:43:00,320 --> 04:43:02,280 Association of ski towns meeting coming 3599 04:43:02,280 --> 04:43:05,798 up um in Breen Ridge it's the it's the 3600 04:43:05,798 --> 04:43:08,480 evening of the 29th through the 31st of 3601 04:43:08,480 --> 04:43:11,958 January um really the business uh part 3602 04:43:11,958 --> 04:43:13,760 of that meeting is all going to happen 3603 04:43:13,760 --> 04:43:14,638 on the 3604 04:43:14,638 --> 04:43:18,638 30th um so I will be in my individual 3605 04:43:18,638 --> 04:43:21,840 meetings with you uh as the council um 3606 04:43:21,840 --> 04:43:23,480 over the next couple of weeks I'll 3607 04:43:23,480 --> 04:43:25,280 review the agenda with you we'll be 3608 04:43:25,280 --> 04:43:28,320 sending out some information um it would 3609 04:43:28,320 --> 04:43:32,718 be uh I I'll be attending the the most 3610 04:43:32,718 --> 04:43:34,920 of the meeting uh but it'd be nice if we 3611 04:43:34,920 --> 04:43:36,760 can get some good uh Frisco 3612 04:43:36,760 --> 04:43:38,600 participation in that since it's so 3613 04:43:38,600 --> 04:43:39,798 close but I know there's other 3614 04:43:39,798 --> 04:43:42,520 obligations that the council has as well 3615 04:43:42,520 --> 04:43:45,638 um we have a 3616 04:43:45,638 --> 04:43:49,760 um um a few things coming up uh with the 3617 04:43:49,760 --> 04:43:52,760 town uh most immediately is eat ski and 3618 04:43:52,760 --> 04:43:55,120 be Mary and I know that uh Vanessa has 3619 04:43:55,120 --> 04:43:56,400 already been talking to you about that 3620 04:43:56,400 --> 04:43:59,600 on the 25th um and we have some other 3621 04:43:59,600 --> 04:44:02,480 events uh coming closely after that 3622 04:44:02,480 --> 04:44:04,600 which we'll announce as they come along 3623 04:44:04,600 --> 04:44:06,240 and you'll see in uh some of the 3624 04:44:06,240 --> 04:44:09,760 communications from the town but also um 3625 04:44:09,760 --> 04:44:12,320 we have the uh winter employee 3626 04:44:12,320 --> 04:44:15,240 celebration uh next week uh starting at 3627 04:44:15,240 --> 04:44:19,200 4:00 on Wednesday the 22nd of course you 3628 04:44:19,200 --> 04:44:21,798 are all uh encouraged and invited to 3629 04:44:21,798 --> 04:44:24,958 come um fad you're encouraged invited to 3630 04:44:24,958 --> 04:44:28,878 to come um and and have a a nice meal 3631 04:44:28,878 --> 04:44:31,958 and visit with everybody um as we as we 3632 04:44:31,958 --> 04:44:35,200 do that um the last thing I've got is 3633 04:44:35,200 --> 04:44:38,320 that um we had a a mayor and manager 3634 04:44:38,320 --> 04:44:41,080 meeting last week um that had a very 3635 04:44:41,080 --> 04:44:44,760 very interesting uh conversation teed up 3636 04:44:44,760 --> 04:44:47,760 um and some briefings um from our local 3637 04:44:47,760 --> 04:44:49,680 law enforcement uh 3638 04:44:49,680 --> 04:44:53,680 leadership um in in the concern around 3639 04:44:53,680 --> 04:44:56,440 uh change in federal Administration and 3640 04:44:56,440 --> 04:44:59,200 some of the uh things we've heard about 3641 04:44:59,200 --> 04:45:01,160 what's going to happen with immigration 3642 04:45:01,160 --> 04:45:03,798 with border security those types of 3643 04:45:03,798 --> 04:45:07,798 things and uh the the group the group 3644 04:45:07,798 --> 04:45:12,240 that uh met with us um 3645 04:45:12,240 --> 04:45:15,760 it was very enlightening to hear how 3646 04:45:15,760 --> 04:45:17,958 things are already handled from a law 3647 04:45:17,958 --> 04:45:21,920 enforcement perspective in relation to 3648 04:45:21,920 --> 04:45:26,760 um uh ice for example um and and how 3649 04:45:26,760 --> 04:45:29,958 they operate in the in the states here 3650 04:45:29,958 --> 04:45:32,680 uh that they that they operate out of um 3651 04:45:32,680 --> 04:45:35,320 we have a local ice office in Denver 3652 04:45:35,320 --> 04:45:38,638 they cover both Colorado and and 3653 04:45:38,638 --> 04:45:42,878 Wyoming um and they've got about 140 3654 04:45:42,878 --> 04:45:46,040 officers that operate out of that office 3655 04:45:46,040 --> 04:45:47,638 um 3656 04:45:47,638 --> 04:45:50,718 and what some of the things that the the 3657 04:45:50,718 --> 04:45:53,120 law enforcement leadership heard from 3658 04:45:53,120 --> 04:45:57,000 from Ice leadership um kind of points 3659 04:45:57,000 --> 04:45:59,440 towards what we can expect from the 3660 04:45:59,440 --> 04:46:02,360 federal level immediately now there is 3661 04:46:02,360 --> 04:46:06,840 going to be a whole lot of rhic um and 3662 04:46:06,840 --> 04:46:08,680 talk of what's going to happen across 3663 04:46:08,680 --> 04:46:10,958 the country but from the practice 3664 04:46:10,958 --> 04:46:13,200 practical standpoint of our local law 3665 04:46:13,200 --> 04:46:15,320 enforcement and these and these federal 3666 04:46:15,320 --> 04:46:16,718 law enforcement 3667 04:46:16,718 --> 04:46:19,440 agencies the the what what our folks 3668 04:46:19,440 --> 04:46:23,360 heard was that there's no more resources 3669 04:46:23,360 --> 04:46:25,840 coming for 3670 04:46:25,840 --> 04:46:28,520 enforcement um meaning that they're not 3671 04:46:28,520 --> 04:46:30,638 seeing anything that tells them that 3672 04:46:30,638 --> 04:46:32,718 there's going to be a flood of officers 3673 04:46:32,718 --> 04:46:35,638 heading into Colorado to cover Colorado 3674 04:46:35,638 --> 04:46:39,320 and Wyoming um that doesn't mean things 3675 04:46:39,320 --> 04:46:42,200 can't change but the current time this 3676 04:46:42,200 --> 04:46:45,638 is what they understand they also got 3677 04:46:45,638 --> 04:46:48,878 briefed that they were they are they 3678 04:46:48,878 --> 04:46:52,760 have been and continue to be completely 3679 04:46:52,760 --> 04:46:56,040 maxed out with things that happen in the 3680 04:46:56,040 --> 04:46:59,280 major urban area of Denver they have 3681 04:46:59,280 --> 04:47:02,360 only been in Summit County for an 3682 04:47:02,360 --> 04:47:05,520 enforcement activity once in the last 3683 04:47:05,520 --> 04:47:06,360 five 3684 04:47:06,360 --> 04:47:08,400 years 3685 04:47:08,400 --> 04:47:13,000 so not that we should uh not be wary uh 3686 04:47:13,000 --> 04:47:16,240 and paying attention um but there's 3687 04:47:16,240 --> 04:47:18,680 really nothing that we that that group 3688 04:47:18,680 --> 04:47:22,958 of people sees as changing at this point 3689 04:47:22,958 --> 04:47:25,558 um and I I know that's not going to 3690 04:47:25,558 --> 04:47:26,920 lower anybody's 3691 04:47:26,920 --> 04:47:29,958 anxiety um but it was it was some of the 3692 04:47:29,958 --> 04:47:31,600 questions that were being asked that 3693 04:47:31,600 --> 04:47:35,320 Drew some of this stuff out um I I think 3694 04:47:35,320 --> 04:47:38,840 the other thing that that we learned 3695 04:47:38,840 --> 04:47:42,840 from our our law enforcement folks 3696 04:47:42,840 --> 04:47:46,958 was there is there is nothing about 3697 04:47:46,958 --> 04:47:48,958 somebody's immigration 3698 04:47:48,958 --> 04:47:51,520 status that our law enforcement folks 3699 04:47:51,520 --> 04:47:54,600 are interested in they don't ask the 3700 04:47:54,600 --> 04:47:58,638 question they don't um there's no 3701 04:47:58,638 --> 04:48:01,400 reports that they file that that state 3702 04:48:01,400 --> 04:48:04,440 that they deal with criminal 3703 04:48:04,440 --> 04:48:09,798 activity and the only time that anybody 3704 04:48:09,798 --> 04:48:13,160 is going to be noticed is if they're 3705 04:48:13,160 --> 04:48:16,200 committing a crime they get 3706 04:48:16,200 --> 04:48:18,320 fingerprinted and their fingerprints go 3707 04:48:18,320 --> 04:48:21,558 into the federal database that everybody 3708 04:48:21,558 --> 04:48:24,480 sees um and if that 3709 04:48:24,480 --> 04:48:27,080 fingerprint turns out that they have 3710 04:48:27,080 --> 04:48:28,958 warrants somewhere else for other 3711 04:48:28,958 --> 04:48:30,000 criminal 3712 04:48:30,000 --> 04:48:32,360 activity that's what 3713 04:48:32,360 --> 04:48:34,760 triggers enforcement activity at the 3714 04:48:34,760 --> 04:48:36,160 federal 3715 04:48:36,160 --> 04:48:39,840 level um so so take what you will from 3716 04:48:39,840 --> 04:48:41,760 that but 3717 04:48:41,760 --> 04:48:45,718 um there is there is there's no threats 3718 04:48:45,718 --> 04:48:49,040 of of federal funds being withdrawn for 3719 04:48:49,040 --> 04:48:51,240 non-cooperation or anything like that 3720 04:48:51,240 --> 04:48:55,798 right now um but we're gonna I mean as 3721 04:48:55,798 --> 04:48:58,680 people interested in in what happens to 3722 04:48:58,680 --> 04:49:00,638 folks that live and work in sub Summit 3723 04:49:00,638 --> 04:49:02,798 County I think we're going to continue 3724 04:49:02,798 --> 04:49:06,120 to stay vigilant on this um our law 3725 04:49:06,120 --> 04:49:07,920 enforcement folks are going to stay 3726 04:49:07,920 --> 04:49:09,520 current with what's happening at the 3727 04:49:09,520 --> 04:49:11,280 federal level 3728 04:49:11,280 --> 04:49:15,280 um and uh you know we should probably 3729 04:49:15,280 --> 04:49:17,638 just be having individual conversations 3730 04:49:17,638 --> 04:49:21,600 with folks um or groups that are 3731 04:49:21,600 --> 04:49:25,520 concerned and if if we can get them 3732 04:49:25,520 --> 04:49:27,638 hooked up with people that really know 3733 04:49:27,638 --> 04:49:31,280 what's going on like our chief like the 3734 04:49:31,280 --> 04:49:33,958 sheriff um they are very willing to have 3735 04:49:33,958 --> 04:49:37,000 conversations with them about that um we 3736 04:49:37,000 --> 04:49:39,080 know that there's anxiety about law 3737 04:49:39,080 --> 04:49:41,840 enforcement because of folks experience 3738 04:49:41,840 --> 04:49:43,480 with law enforcement from the country 3739 04:49:43,480 --> 04:49:46,480 that they come from um that doesn't mean 3740 04:49:46,480 --> 04:49:48,520 our law enforcement handles things the 3741 04:49:48,520 --> 04:49:50,868 same 3742 04:49:50,878 --> 04:49:54,920 way that's what I've got great 3743 04:49:54,920 --> 04:49:57,718 thanks next item of business this 3744 04:49:57,718 --> 04:50:00,200 evening is going to be a 3745 04:50:00,200 --> 04:50:15,150 proclamation grab some items here 3746 04:50:15,160 --> 04:50:23,390 can you join me at 3747 04:50:23,400 --> 04:50:25,600 the 3748 04:50:25,600 --> 04:50:29,920 hi I'm Rick to meet you we're going to 3749 04:50:29,920 --> 04:50:32,400 get down to our uh Proclamation you 3750 04:50:32,400 --> 04:50:35,840 ready to go I am totally a 3751 04:50:35,840 --> 04:50:39,000 service I'll be the one shaking and 3752 04:50:39,000 --> 04:50:42,240 quivering voice as I read it okay 3753 04:50:42,240 --> 04:50:44,798 to of Frisco Proclamation 3754 04:50:44,798 --> 04:50:48,480 25-01 Charlotte Clark is recognized as 3755 04:50:48,480 --> 04:50:51,040 Frisco's finest whereas when Charlotte 3756 04:50:51,040 --> 04:50:54,320 Clark moved to fris in 1994 she brought 3757 04:50:54,320 --> 04:50:57,000 her passion and knowledge from a career 3758 04:50:57,000 --> 04:50:59,440 at College as a college professor to our 3759 04:50:59,440 --> 04:51:02,600 community leading tours on plant life 3760 04:51:02,600 --> 04:51:06,958 history and Junior archaeology to the 3761 04:51:06,958 --> 04:51:09,440 public for the following for for the 3762 04:51:09,440 --> 04:51:12,360 following decades and and whereas in 3763 04:51:12,360 --> 04:51:15,600 1990s Charlotte Clark interviewed and 3764 04:51:15,600 --> 04:51:18,160 hiked with the last generation of The 3765 04:51:18,160 --> 04:51:19,400 Frisco 3766 04:51:19,400 --> 04:51:21,600 ists 3767 04:51:21,600 --> 04:51:25,600 frises Frisco sites to mine and Ranch 3768 04:51:25,600 --> 04:51:28,400 dur who mined and Ranch during the 1930s 3769 04:51:28,400 --> 04:51:31,040 documenting Mining and cabin locations 3770 04:51:31,040 --> 04:51:33,360 and recording numerous stories in 3771 04:51:33,360 --> 04:51:35,558 history that would have otherwise been 3772 04:51:35,558 --> 04:51:38,680 lost forever and whereas throughout her 3773 04:51:38,680 --> 04:51:40,600 involvement with the frisco historic 3774 04:51:40,600 --> 04:51:43,320 Society Charlotte Clark has acted as 3775 04:51:43,320 --> 04:51:46,160 secretary along with associating and 3776 04:51:46,160 --> 04:51:48,558 preserving dozens of artifacts donated 3777 04:51:48,558 --> 04:51:51,718 to the museum and whereas as of January 3778 04:51:51,718 --> 04:51:55,360 7th 2023 Charlotte Clark gifted the 3779 04:51:55,360 --> 04:51:58,080 frisco Historic Park and museum in the 3780 04:51:58,080 --> 04:52:00,240 town of Frisco the rights to her Field 3781 04:52:00,240 --> 04:52:03,080 Guide the minds of Frisco and beyond for 3782 04:52:03,080 --> 04:52:05,600 the frisco Historic Park in museum to 3783 04:52:05,600 --> 04:52:08,080 update and publish for the good of the 3784 04:52:08,080 --> 04:52:10,638 community this booklet was was 3785 04:52:10,638 --> 04:52:13,240 originally printed in 2004 and in the 3786 04:52:13,240 --> 04:52:15,638 following years became a staple to the 3787 04:52:15,638 --> 04:52:18,320 historic resources that lie within and 3788 04:52:18,320 --> 04:52:21,480 around Frisco a couple 3789 04:52:21,480 --> 04:52:25,160 copies whereas Charlotte Clark continues 3790 04:52:25,160 --> 04:52:28,520 to volunteer her time and commun to the 3791 04:52:28,520 --> 04:52:30,558 community recently retiring from her 3792 04:52:30,558 --> 04:52:32,120 role on the board the friends of the 3793 04:52:32,120 --> 04:52:34,718 Dylan ranger district volunteering at 3794 04:52:34,718 --> 04:52:37,080 the community and Senior Center and 3795 04:52:37,080 --> 04:52:39,480 Hospital making her wealth of knowledge 3796 04:52:39,480 --> 04:52:41,440 and resource EAS accessible to the 3797 04:52:41,440 --> 04:52:43,760 frisco Historic Park and Museum and 3798 04:52:43,760 --> 04:52:46,600 whole Community now therefore Charlotte 3799 04:52:46,600 --> 04:52:49,718 Clark is hereby proclam to be Frisco's 3800 04:52:49,718 --> 04:52:52,480 finest dated this day the 14th day of 3801 04:52:52,480 --> 04:52:53,798 January 3802 04:52:53,798 --> 04:53:07,750 2025 congratulations 3803 04:53:07,760 --> 04:53:12,840 thank overwhelmed really um it's been a 3804 04:53:12,840 --> 04:53:16,558 joy to move here on this spur the moment 3805 04:53:16,558 --> 04:53:19,440 because I thought I'd found paradise and 3806 04:53:19,440 --> 04:53:22,160 I still love this little town and I hope 3807 04:53:22,160 --> 04:53:25,480 it stays you know like it is friendly 3808 04:53:25,480 --> 04:53:29,558 and kind of small no high high buildings 3809 04:53:29,558 --> 04:53:33,440 it's a lovely place to live and I have 3810 04:53:33,440 --> 04:53:36,320 the wonderful place to live in bills 3811 04:53:36,320 --> 04:53:39,280 Ranch that I actually have moose on my 3812 04:53:39,280 --> 04:53:42,840 deck regularly and I still love being 3813 04:53:42,840 --> 04:53:45,718 here in this area because of all the 3814 04:53:45,718 --> 04:53:48,520 friendly people and the small town that 3815 04:53:48,520 --> 04:53:51,040 you can actually get to know thank you 3816 04:53:51,040 --> 04:54:23,310 so much 3817 04:54:23,320 --> 04:54:38,350 thank 3818 04:54:38,360 --> 04:54:43,670 you all right thanks everybody 3819 04:54:43,680 --> 04:54:45,798 and that our next item of business this 3820 04:54:45,798 --> 04:54:48,840 evening will be considering the consent 3821 04:54:48,840 --> 04:54:52,000 agenda and perhaps a motion Mr Mayor I 3822 04:54:52,000 --> 04:54:55,440 move we approve the consent agenda 3823 04:54:55,440 --> 04:54:57,558 second we have a motion in a second 3824 04:54:57,558 --> 04:54:59,360 please call the 3825 04:54:59,360 --> 04:55:02,840 question yes 3826 04:55:02,840 --> 04:55:08,840 yes ELD yeso is absent Kibby yes SC 3827 04:55:08,840 --> 04:55:12,080 check Adrian yes 3828 04:55:12,080 --> 04:55:14,480 got it thanks Stacey the motion is 3829 04:55:14,480 --> 04:55:15,878 passed we're going to move on to new 3830 04:55:15,878 --> 04:55:18,680 business our first item of new business 3831 04:55:18,680 --> 04:55:21,240 this evening is an announcement I have 3832 04:55:21,240 --> 04:55:23,520 for the room and for Council that we 3833 04:55:23,520 --> 04:55:27,480 have received a resignation from uh Lisa 3834 04:55:27,480 --> 04:55:29,600 hinko from her position here on Town 3835 04:55:29,600 --> 04:55:32,200 Council um that's been shared with the 3836 04:55:32,200 --> 04:55:34,600 town attorney and the town manager and 3837 04:55:34,600 --> 04:55:37,600 with that we're going to be uh moving 3838 04:55:37,600 --> 04:55:39,200 forward with a process to fill that 3839 04:55:39,200 --> 04:55:41,160 vacant position 3840 04:55:41,160 --> 04:55:44,440 um our next steps for this are going to 3841 04:55:44,440 --> 04:55:47,200 be uh per Town Charter we have the 3842 04:55:47,200 --> 04:55:49,600 ability to run an election we have the 3843 04:55:49,600 --> 04:55:51,878 ability to appoint someone they all must 3844 04:55:51,878 --> 04:55:55,440 happen 45 days today so with that in 3845 04:55:55,440 --> 04:55:58,958 mind the council had had a retreat uh 3846 04:55:58,958 --> 04:56:00,958 last week and we wanted we made a 3847 04:56:00,958 --> 04:56:02,600 decision to go forward with an 3848 04:56:02,600 --> 04:56:04,760 appointment and with that staff will be 3849 04:56:04,760 --> 04:56:08,400 coming forward with a timeline of 3850 04:56:08,400 --> 04:56:13,868 what sweet is ready to do her 3851 04:56:13,878 --> 04:56:18,320 job keep going that was great 3852 04:56:18,320 --> 04:56:21,120 that I'm gonna be quiet and turn it over 3853 04:56:21,120 --> 04:56:23,000 to Stacy thank you 3854 04:56:23,000 --> 04:56:26,360 Tom no um thank you Mr Mayor and Council 3855 04:56:26,360 --> 04:56:27,400 I hope you don't mind that I'm just 3856 04:56:27,400 --> 04:56:29,638 sitting for this one um just because we 3857 04:56:29,638 --> 04:56:30,920 are going to be here for a little bit 3858 04:56:30,920 --> 04:56:33,920 just to discuss so um Frisco's home Rule 3859 04:56:33,920 --> 04:56:37,400 Charter uh actually like uh Mr Mayer 3860 04:56:37,400 --> 04:56:40,920 just said um definitely stipulate what 3861 04:56:40,920 --> 04:56:44,878 your options are here you can either um 3862 04:56:44,878 --> 04:56:48,440 direct me to go ahead with legal process 3863 04:56:48,440 --> 04:56:50,600 um surrounding conducting a special 3864 04:56:50,600 --> 04:56:52,840 election and all that would appear on 3865 04:56:52,840 --> 04:56:56,520 that ballot would be um you know we 3866 04:56:56,520 --> 04:56:59,240 anybody who was certified to the ballot 3867 04:56:59,240 --> 04:57:01,840 for this one uh vacant 3868 04:57:01,840 --> 04:57:05,440 seat um or the other option is for you 3869 04:57:05,440 --> 04:57:08,798 all to Simply conduct a an appointment 3870 04:57:08,798 --> 04:57:11,120 process um but as the mayor just told 3871 04:57:11,120 --> 04:57:14,240 you all you have 45 days to direct me to 3872 04:57:14,240 --> 04:57:17,280 do the election or you have that 45 day 3873 04:57:17,280 --> 04:57:20,040 window to indeed go through this process 3874 04:57:20,040 --> 04:57:23,878 and make your selection and so um that's 3875 04:57:23,878 --> 04:57:25,680 my first question for you this evening 3876 04:57:25,680 --> 04:57:27,760 that um you know we just need to 3877 04:57:27,760 --> 04:57:31,080 establish in on the record um this 3878 04:57:31,080 --> 04:57:35,040 evening is um does is there anyone here 3879 04:57:35,040 --> 04:57:38,200 that uh would like to direct me to 3880 04:57:38,200 --> 04:57:39,920 conduct a special election if so we'll 3881 04:57:39,920 --> 04:57:42,558 need to talk about 3882 04:57:42,558 --> 04:57:44,920 it gotcha anyone 3883 04:57:44,920 --> 04:57:47,440 [Music] 3884 04:57:47,440 --> 04:57:52,760 here okay we agreed on the retreat yeah 3885 04:57:52,760 --> 04:57:55,520 right we just have to say it out public 3886 04:57:55,520 --> 04:57:58,120 and affirm that um so it sounds like we 3887 04:57:58,120 --> 04:57:59,120 are going to go ahead with an 3888 04:57:59,120 --> 04:58:01,480 appointment process so we need to talk 3889 04:58:01,480 --> 04:58:03,520 about what that looks like um in next 3890 04:58:03,520 --> 04:58:06,080 steps so that staff can prepare this for 3891 04:58:06,080 --> 04:58:09,320 you um here are some yes and no 3892 04:58:09,320 --> 04:58:11,680 questions that we have prepared for you 3893 04:58:11,680 --> 04:58:13,360 just to keep things as straightforward 3894 04:58:13,360 --> 04:58:16,840 as possible um the first yes or no 3895 04:58:16,840 --> 04:58:18,558 question is would you like a letter of 3896 04:58:18,558 --> 04:58:21,440 interest from uh folks who are 3897 04:58:21,440 --> 04:58:23,920 interested in uh running for the 3898 04:58:23,920 --> 04:58:26,638 position yes or no you think that's an 3899 04:58:26,638 --> 04:58:30,240 important piece yes I'm hearing all 3900 04:58:30,240 --> 04:58:33,080 yeses Stacy can a point of clarification 3901 04:58:33,080 --> 04:58:37,638 right for a regularly scheduled election 3902 04:58:37,638 --> 04:58:40,680 it's packet pickup and um petition 3903 04:58:40,680 --> 04:58:42,480 correct yeah it's it's called a 3904 04:58:42,480 --> 04:58:45,718 candidate affidavit um that would 3905 04:58:45,718 --> 04:58:47,878 suffice with regard to a letter of 3906 04:58:47,878 --> 04:58:49,040 interest 3907 04:58:49,040 --> 04:58:51,360 here interest just somebody saying I am 3908 04:58:51,360 --> 04:58:54,000 interested in applying for the 3909 04:58:54,000 --> 04:58:55,920 appointment or something to that effect 3910 04:58:55,920 --> 04:58:57,878 okay the one lineer yeah exact it 3911 04:58:57,878 --> 04:59:01,200 doesn't need to be much more than that 3912 04:59:01,200 --> 04:59:04,558 um then yes the next yes or no question 3913 04:59:04,558 --> 04:59:06,280 as well and um council member held I 3914 04:59:06,280 --> 04:59:07,798 know you're online as well I want to 3915 04:59:07,798 --> 04:59:09,798 make sure you have the opportunity to 3916 04:59:09,798 --> 04:59:13,920 pipe as well um then we would have an 3917 04:59:13,920 --> 04:59:16,638 application um this General application 3918 04:59:16,638 --> 04:59:18,920 what we would like to do is um Host this 3919 04:59:18,920 --> 04:59:21,760 online just to reduce our paper and just 3920 04:59:21,760 --> 04:59:23,638 keep things you know expedient if there 3921 04:59:23,638 --> 04:59:25,600 was someone that was insistent upon 3922 04:59:25,600 --> 04:59:27,400 using a paper application we could 3923 04:59:27,400 --> 04:59:29,440 absolutely print that for someone in 3924 04:59:29,440 --> 04:59:31,480 order to uh make sure that there's 3925 04:59:31,480 --> 04:59:34,280 Equitable access to this but um it would 3926 04:59:34,280 --> 04:59:38,000 be on mainly online and it would contain 3927 04:59:38,000 --> 04:59:40,440 uh general questions regarding ing you 3928 04:59:40,440 --> 04:59:42,480 know how long have you lived here what's 3929 04:59:42,480 --> 04:59:43,878 your in why are you interested in 3930 04:59:43,878 --> 04:59:45,958 becoming on Town Council but I'm also 3931 04:59:45,958 --> 04:59:48,958 open uh here this evening to you know if 3932 04:59:48,958 --> 04:59:50,558 there's any really important and crucial 3933 04:59:50,558 --> 04:59:51,878 points that you would like to make sure 3934 04:59:51,878 --> 04:59:52,798 that this 3935 04:59:52,798 --> 04:59:55,000 application um you know asks and 3936 04:59:55,000 --> 04:59:58,990 solicits for from these 3937 04:59:59,000 --> 05:00:02,360 folks any direction for Stacy or go with 3938 05:00:02,360 --> 05:00:05,400 what plan she's been working on we also 3939 05:00:05,400 --> 05:00:07,280 have a question already queued up for 3940 05:00:07,280 --> 05:00:08,760 like Community things like Community 3941 05:00:08,760 --> 05:00:10,400 involvement or professional experience 3942 05:00:10,400 --> 05:00:11,878 that these people would feel would help 3943 05:00:11,878 --> 05:00:13,600 them on Town 3944 05:00:13,600 --> 05:00:17,840 Council if that helps that helps and 3945 05:00:17,840 --> 05:00:18,798 then we would need to make sure 3946 05:00:18,798 --> 05:00:20,558 obviously that they reside in the Brisco 3947 05:00:20,558 --> 05:00:22,558 Town limits and that they're of age and 3948 05:00:22,558 --> 05:00:24,760 things like that those will be uh 3949 05:00:24,760 --> 05:00:27,878 questions of application as 3950 05:00:27,878 --> 05:00:31,320 well okay and then council member held I 3951 05:00:31,320 --> 05:00:34,200 just want to make sure check in with 3952 05:00:34,200 --> 05:00:38,670 you any additional 3953 05:00:38,680 --> 05:00:41,760 comments no additional comments I have 3954 05:00:41,760 --> 05:00:44,958 faith that you'll bring forward a good 3955 05:00:44,958 --> 05:00:48,840 process for us to choose okay than you 3956 05:00:48,840 --> 05:00:50,878 just wanted to make sure you felt 3957 05:00:50,878 --> 05:00:55,760 included um so the uh last portion here 3958 05:00:55,760 --> 05:00:59,600 for you all to decide um is would you 3959 05:00:59,600 --> 05:01:02,280 like for there to be this element of a 3960 05:01:02,280 --> 05:01:06,040 petition now um Community uh candidate 3961 05:01:06,040 --> 05:01:08,200 petitions uh nomination petitions 3962 05:01:08,200 --> 05:01:11,000 they're called are generally used when 3963 05:01:11,000 --> 05:01:13,400 there's Municipal elections you all know 3964 05:01:13,400 --> 05:01:15,240 this because that's what you all went 3965 05:01:15,240 --> 05:01:17,320 through in order to access the ballot as 3966 05:01:17,320 --> 05:01:19,680 a candidate during uh the last uh 3967 05:01:19,680 --> 05:01:22,000 regular municipal election that got you 3968 05:01:22,000 --> 05:01:24,878 here and so um this is something that 3969 05:01:24,878 --> 05:01:26,840 you all have kind of mold around and I 3970 05:01:26,840 --> 05:01:28,638 just wanted to make sure if you'd like 3971 05:01:28,638 --> 05:01:31,558 to move forward with this component um 3972 05:01:31,558 --> 05:01:34,320 you know setting a number of signatures 3973 05:01:34,320 --> 05:01:37,798 you know it's 25 uh for a regular 3974 05:01:37,798 --> 05:01:39,520 municipal election that's what you all 3975 05:01:39,520 --> 05:01:42,558 had to get of registered Frisco 3976 05:01:42,558 --> 05:01:46,120 electors um you know of note um 3977 05:01:46,120 --> 05:01:48,280 generally you can only sign as a a 3978 05:01:48,280 --> 05:01:50,400 Frisco uh resident and registered 3979 05:01:50,400 --> 05:01:52,240 elector you can only sign the number of 3980 05:01:52,240 --> 05:01:53,878 petitions for the number of seats 3981 05:01:53,878 --> 05:01:56,120 available um and so in this case if we 3982 05:01:56,120 --> 05:01:58,760 would be consistent with that uh Frisco 3983 05:01:58,760 --> 05:02:00,080 registered electors would only be able 3984 05:02:00,080 --> 05:02:02,680 to sign one person's petition um and I 3985 05:02:02,680 --> 05:02:04,878 of course cross check that and as 3986 05:02:04,878 --> 05:02:07,280 petitions come in I would take the first 3987 05:02:07,280 --> 05:02:10,080 signature on the first petition uh from 3988 05:02:10,080 --> 05:02:13,000 that person and so is that something 3989 05:02:13,000 --> 05:02:14,798 that would you like to move forward with 3990 05:02:14,798 --> 05:02:18,320 a petition if so I do have a kind of a 3991 05:02:18,320 --> 05:02:20,080 timeline that we could advertise to the 3992 05:02:20,080 --> 05:02:22,600 public to make sure that it's clear or 3993 05:02:22,600 --> 05:02:24,040 would you rather just do letters of 3994 05:02:24,040 --> 05:02:27,798 Interest application process uh alone up 3995 05:02:27,798 --> 05:02:30,470 to you 3996 05:02:30,480 --> 05:02:35,440 all I'm interested in uh pursuing a 3997 05:02:35,440 --> 05:02:37,638 petition I like the 3998 05:02:37,638 --> 05:02:42,190 idea okay sure 3999 05:02:42,200 --> 05:02:45,400 petition Andy they're all in the room uh 4000 05:02:45,400 --> 05:02:47,040 agreeing with you as well so it sounds 4001 05:02:47,040 --> 05:02:49,680 like that's uh unanimous so thank you 4002 05:02:49,680 --> 05:02:53,920 for that um is 25 uh your number or 4003 05:02:53,920 --> 05:02:55,958 would you like to set a different uh 4004 05:02:55,958 --> 05:03:01,520 minimum number Stacy is 25 yeah stand I 4005 05:03:01,520 --> 05:03:05,080 feel it should just follow P keep it 4006 05:03:05,080 --> 05:03:08,760 consistent okay all right 4007 05:03:08,760 --> 05:03:11,680 um so your potential time frame and I'll 4008 05:03:11,680 --> 05:03:13,400 go into this in a little with actual 4009 05:03:13,400 --> 05:03:16,760 dates uh on the next slide um but your 4010 05:03:16,760 --> 05:03:18,280 potential time frame of what you're 4011 05:03:18,280 --> 05:03:19,638 looking at here in order to make sure 4012 05:03:19,638 --> 05:03:21,120 that you're making your selection within 4013 05:03:21,120 --> 05:03:23,718 that 45-day window is you would uh 4014 05:03:23,718 --> 05:03:26,280 conduct interviews uh publicly at your 4015 05:03:26,280 --> 05:03:29,320 early February meeting then you would uh 4016 05:03:29,320 --> 05:03:31,120 make your decision and announcement at 4017 05:03:31,120 --> 05:03:33,160 the late February meeting which would 4018 05:03:33,160 --> 05:03:36,798 get us in time for that 45 days and then 4019 05:03:36,798 --> 05:03:38,558 uh we would swear in the new council 4020 05:03:38,558 --> 05:03:42,120 member and and they would actually serve 4021 05:03:42,120 --> 05:03:43,840 and sit at their first meeting which 4022 05:03:43,840 --> 05:03:46,000 would be the early March meeting and so 4023 05:03:46,000 --> 05:03:48,240 here's a little bit better more detailed 4024 05:03:48,240 --> 05:03:51,638 of what that looks like um and I can 4025 05:03:51,638 --> 05:03:53,878 actually edit this slide or tweak things 4026 05:03:53,878 --> 05:03:55,840 as well if if you all don't like any of 4027 05:03:55,840 --> 05:03:58,760 this but um so right now working from 4028 05:03:58,760 --> 05:04:00,638 today okay we've accepted and 4029 05:04:00,638 --> 05:04:02,558 acknowledged that uh council member 4030 05:04:02,558 --> 05:04:05,480 heleno is indeed uh resigning and we're 4031 05:04:05,480 --> 05:04:07,160 getting direction today on the vacancy 4032 05:04:07,160 --> 05:04:10,120 process as of tomorrow by 10:00 a.m. I 4033 05:04:10,120 --> 05:04:12,520 can absolutely have uh you know 4034 05:04:12,520 --> 05:04:14,080 informational packets available at the 4035 05:04:14,080 --> 05:04:17,000 front desk of town hall and we can have 4036 05:04:17,000 --> 05:04:19,320 the form up on the website as 4037 05:04:19,320 --> 05:04:22,160 well um I would appreciate the 10: am 4038 05:04:22,160 --> 05:04:24,160 and not 8 am just I have a couple hours 4039 05:04:24,160 --> 05:04:26,638 to get all this done for you all but um 4040 05:04:26,638 --> 05:04:29,440 I'm optimistic that we can get this done 4041 05:04:29,440 --> 05:04:31,120 um we also would need time to make sure 4042 05:04:31,120 --> 05:04:33,000 that we can uh team up with our 4043 05:04:33,000 --> 05:04:34,600 Communications folks and make sure we 4044 05:04:34,600 --> 05:04:37,680 can get the word out um in all the ways 4045 05:04:37,680 --> 05:04:40,840 possible um so feu 5th that would bring 4046 05:04:40,840 --> 05:04:43,638 us to um so that's about a 3- week 4047 05:04:43,638 --> 05:04:46,360 timeline for folks potentially to grab 4048 05:04:46,360 --> 05:04:48,798 their packets grab their petition 4049 05:04:48,798 --> 05:04:51,360 template and go out there and solicit 4050 05:04:51,360 --> 05:04:52,280 for 4051 05:04:52,280 --> 05:04:54,638 signatures um so February 5th is what we 4052 05:04:54,638 --> 05:04:56,760 were kind of proposing as a due date do 4053 05:04:56,760 --> 05:04:58,320 you all feel like that's a sufficient 4054 05:04:58,320 --> 05:05:00,840 amount of time in order to gather up the 4055 05:05:00,840 --> 05:05:07,830 25 signatures that you designated are 4056 05:05:07,840 --> 05:05:11,240 needed I think it puts window I mean 4057 05:05:11,240 --> 05:05:15,150 it's tight window 4058 05:05:15,160 --> 05:05:19,280 yeah I'm looking at it backwards where 4059 05:05:19,280 --> 05:05:21,638 February 11th you want us to be educated 4060 05:05:21,638 --> 05:05:23,080 on the 4061 05:05:23,080 --> 05:05:25,760 candidates so this is going to give us 4062 05:05:25,760 --> 05:05:27,680 four or five days that we really don't 4063 05:05:27,680 --> 05:05:31,200 have the ability to stretch that fifth 4064 05:05:31,200 --> 05:05:34,120 sixth seventh cure period much later or 4065 05:05:34,120 --> 05:05:35,240 else it's going to be really hard for us 4066 05:05:35,240 --> 05:05:36,798 to have time to look at you also be 4067 05:05:36,798 --> 05:05:38,680 conducting interviews at the February 4068 05:05:38,680 --> 05:05:40,240 11th meeting and order to get the 4069 05:05:40,240 --> 05:05:41,920 candidates get to know the candidates 4070 05:05:41,920 --> 05:05:44,240 even more me it's not a lot of time but 4071 05:05:44,240 --> 05:05:46,680 none of this is a lot of time so yeah 4072 05:05:46,680 --> 05:05:48,280 the only way you could stretch the 4073 05:05:48,280 --> 05:05:51,638 middle out at all is if you conducted 4074 05:05:51,638 --> 05:05:54,600 interviews and made your selection on 4075 05:05:54,600 --> 05:05:58,040 the 25th which would which gives you 4076 05:05:58,040 --> 05:06:00,680 about a week and a half play in the 4077 05:06:00,680 --> 05:06:03,280 middle there but it's kind of a decision 4078 05:06:03,280 --> 05:06:05,520 do you want interviews and then two 4079 05:06:05,520 --> 05:06:09,840 weeks to decide who it's going be or or 4080 05:06:09,840 --> 05:06:12,200 do you want to do it all in one 4081 05:06:12,200 --> 05:06:16,440 meeting no no okay I have I have one 4082 05:06:16,440 --> 05:06:18,840 sets now have an opinion that's too much 4083 05:06:18,840 --> 05:06:21,520 to do in one meeting yep 4084 05:06:21,520 --> 05:06:23,878 okay council member H do you have any 4085 05:06:23,878 --> 05:06:26,718 input I just have a question what if uh 4086 05:06:26,718 --> 05:06:30,520 someone comes to us for a signature 4087 05:06:30,520 --> 05:06:33,240 individually are we allowed to sign a 4088 05:06:33,240 --> 05:06:36,240 petition yes 4089 05:06:36,240 --> 05:06:40,628 absolutely okay 4090 05:06:40,638 --> 05:06:43,760 I think the timeline is fine other than 4091 05:06:43,760 --> 05:06:47,878 being uh tight you know I think a week 4092 05:06:47,878 --> 05:06:51,760 is is fine for us to uh decide hopefully 4093 05:06:51,760 --> 05:06:56,910 we don't have 50 people to choose 4094 05:06:56,920 --> 05:07:00,520 from thank you so just to keep moving 4095 05:07:00,520 --> 05:07:02,200 forward just so you can kind of see how 4096 05:07:02,200 --> 05:07:05,520 this is all playing out um and we can 4097 05:07:05,520 --> 05:07:07,680 eliminate this if you want if you do not 4098 05:07:07,680 --> 05:07:09,160 want to allow people to cure their 4099 05:07:09,160 --> 05:07:12,160 petition you don't have to um but I was 4100 05:07:12,160 --> 05:07:14,120 just thinking from a consistency point 4101 05:07:14,120 --> 05:07:16,958 of view because when someone is um you 4102 05:07:16,958 --> 05:07:18,760 know soliciting for signatures to 4103 05:07:18,760 --> 05:07:21,798 certify uh to the ballot uh typically 4104 05:07:21,798 --> 05:07:23,440 during an election they do have the 4105 05:07:23,440 --> 05:07:25,558 opportunity to cure in other words let's 4106 05:07:25,558 --> 05:07:27,558 say they got 26 signatures but three of 4107 05:07:27,558 --> 05:07:28,958 those folks were actually not on the 4108 05:07:28,958 --> 05:07:31,080 voter roles for Frisco maybe they live 4109 05:07:31,080 --> 05:07:32,480 in Bill's Ranch maybe they forgot to 4110 05:07:32,480 --> 05:07:35,360 register vote whatever the case may be 4111 05:07:35,360 --> 05:07:38,360 um that person would hear from me and I 4112 05:07:38,360 --> 05:07:40,760 would let them know hey need to grab 4113 05:07:40,760 --> 05:07:43,000 this many more signatures in order to 4114 05:07:43,000 --> 05:07:44,680 and then they would have a basically a 4115 05:07:44,680 --> 05:07:47,520 second chance if you will to resubmit 4116 05:07:47,520 --> 05:07:50,080 and get them over that line um so we are 4117 05:07:50,080 --> 05:07:53,240 thinking Thursday February 6th and Feb 4118 05:07:53,240 --> 05:07:55,600 uh excuse me Friday the 7th because 4119 05:07:55,600 --> 05:07:57,440 you're actually your packet for the 11th 4120 05:07:57,440 --> 05:08:01,400 has to go out on Friday the 7th so um 4121 05:08:01,400 --> 05:08:02,878 we're you know so I need to make sure I 4122 05:08:02,878 --> 05:08:05,680 include only the folks that qualify in 4123 05:08:05,680 --> 05:08:09,558 your packet um so that's the the story 4124 05:08:09,558 --> 05:08:11,878 behind the February 6th and 7th that 4125 05:08:11,878 --> 05:08:15,000 quick quick cure period is kind of 4126 05:08:15,000 --> 05:08:18,798 necessary it's only fair 4127 05:08:18,798 --> 05:08:22,400 okay all right sounds like everybody's 4128 05:08:22,400 --> 05:08:25,760 thumbs up um so February 11th that's 4129 05:08:25,760 --> 05:08:28,000 your first regular meeting that you have 4130 05:08:28,000 --> 05:08:30,520 in the month of February that is where 4131 05:08:30,520 --> 05:08:32,600 we will absolutely slate for you on your 4132 05:08:32,600 --> 05:08:34,878 agenda that you will review the 4133 05:08:34,878 --> 05:08:37,360 applications and conduct uh interviews 4134 05:08:37,360 --> 05:08:40,000 for the folks that are interested 4135 05:08:40,000 --> 05:08:42,520 um and you know we'll help you we'll 4136 05:08:42,520 --> 05:08:44,558 help make sure that these folks 4137 05:08:44,558 --> 05:08:46,718 understand that they need to be here and 4138 05:08:46,718 --> 05:08:50,400 um be ready for that um we can also help 4139 05:08:50,400 --> 05:08:52,718 you all come up with a specific list of 4140 05:08:52,718 --> 05:08:54,718 questions things like that when the time 4141 05:08:54,718 --> 05:08:59,480 comes um February 25th so this is your 4142 05:08:59,480 --> 05:09:03,400 uh that later regular meeting um the 4143 05:09:03,400 --> 05:09:05,558 February 28th is actually your 45 day 4144 05:09:05,558 --> 05:09:07,680 cut off here so February 25th is that 4145 05:09:07,680 --> 05:09:10,200 last regular meeting within the 45 days 4146 05:09:10,200 --> 05:09:12,798 stipulated by the charter and this is 4147 05:09:12,798 --> 05:09:15,520 where you would announce the selected 4148 05:09:15,520 --> 05:09:17,520 candidate you you would have two weeks 4149 05:09:17,520 --> 05:09:21,120 to kind of mul things over um March 11th 4150 05:09:21,120 --> 05:09:23,920 is where this person would be sworn in 4151 05:09:23,920 --> 05:09:26,480 um and they would actually sit and begin 4152 05:09:26,480 --> 05:09:29,240 their service alongside you as uh the 4153 05:09:29,240 --> 05:09:31,558 newest Frisco Town council member of 4154 05:09:31,558 --> 05:09:34,400 note uh this uh person if they are 4155 05:09:34,400 --> 05:09:36,160 interested in continuing this service 4156 05:09:36,160 --> 05:09:38,080 would have to rerun at the next uh 4157 05:09:38,080 --> 05:09:40,160 regular municipal election 4158 05:09:40,160 --> 05:09:43,080 which is in um the spring of 2026 the 4159 05:09:43,080 --> 05:09:45,000 first Tuesday in April of 4160 05:09:45,000 --> 05:09:46,798 2026 which would be true of an 4161 05:09:46,798 --> 05:09:48,718 appointment for an 4162 05:09:48,718 --> 05:09:52,910 election 4163 05:09:52,920 --> 05:09:57,760 only any blaring concerns right now with 4164 05:09:57,760 --> 05:10:00,680 this this we are going to go off your 4165 05:10:00,680 --> 05:10:02,520 direction tonight and really get a move 4166 05:10:02,520 --> 05:10:03,798 on this 4167 05:10:03,798 --> 05:10:08,080 and is there a v plan as well we don't 4168 05:10:08,080 --> 05:10:09,600 necessarily have a plan other then we 4169 05:10:09,600 --> 05:10:11,440 know we have a wonderful Communications 4170 05:10:11,440 --> 05:10:13,840 team that um we've definitely already 4171 05:10:13,840 --> 05:10:15,360 communicated and said this is coming 4172 05:10:15,360 --> 05:10:18,600 down the pike and um they're ready to to 4173 05:10:18,600 --> 05:10:19,878 T I don't want to speak on their behalf 4174 05:10:19,878 --> 05:10:21,958 but I think they're more than able and 4175 05:10:21,958 --> 05:10:23,798 willing to 4176 05:10:23,798 --> 05:10:28,440 help com please uh Stacy I want to thank 4177 05:10:28,440 --> 05:10:30,920 you your team and all the staff that are 4178 05:10:30,920 --> 05:10:33,718 really hustling to get something done so 4179 05:10:33,718 --> 05:10:35,040 quickly to make sure we're complying 4180 05:10:35,040 --> 05:10:38,798 with Charter so it's it's pce fast right 4181 05:10:38,798 --> 05:10:40,000 there thank you 4182 05:10:40,000 --> 05:10:41,600 absolutely thank 4183 05:10:41,600 --> 05:10:44,440 you I also want to say in in the off 4184 05:10:44,440 --> 05:10:47,280 chance that Lisa is listening or ever 4185 05:10:47,280 --> 05:10:49,840 listens to this meeting um she and I 4186 05:10:49,840 --> 05:10:52,320 definitely did not agree on everything 4187 05:10:52,320 --> 05:10:55,040 uh but she was great to serve with so 4188 05:10:55,040 --> 05:10:56,798 you know these are Big Sho big shoes 4189 05:10:56,798 --> 05:10:59,120 wonderful shoes responsible shoes to 4190 05:10:59,120 --> 05:11:01,878 fill um so I look forward to taking on 4191 05:11:01,878 --> 05:11:04,480 the responsibility but I want her to if 4192 05:11:04,480 --> 05:11:07,558 anybody speaks with her um as she's 4193 05:11:07,558 --> 05:11:09,920 progressing with her life choices 4194 05:11:09,920 --> 05:11:15,628 um that we we I send her my 4195 05:11:15,638 --> 05:11:19,360 best great and to follow that up I have 4196 05:11:19,360 --> 05:11:21,120 been speaking with her I will speak with 4197 05:11:21,120 --> 05:11:24,040 her again thank you Andy um I wanted to 4198 05:11:24,040 --> 05:11:26,360 acknowledge staff's organization to put 4199 05:11:26,360 --> 05:11:28,760 this together for us and have a timeline 4200 05:11:28,760 --> 05:11:30,920 figured out have anticipated a number of 4201 05:11:30,920 --> 05:11:32,320 questions that we've already had that 4202 05:11:32,320 --> 05:11:34,080 you answered before we got a chance to 4203 05:11:34,080 --> 05:11:36,160 ask so thank you for that and then 4204 05:11:36,160 --> 05:11:38,040 through my conversations with Lisa I 4205 05:11:38,040 --> 05:11:41,280 wanted to share that Lisa's had a lot of 4206 05:11:41,280 --> 05:11:43,080 things going on in her life for the last 4207 05:11:43,080 --> 05:11:45,680 several months and I want everyone to 4208 05:11:45,680 --> 05:11:47,480 understand that this decision to resign 4209 05:11:47,480 --> 05:11:49,080 is up there with the rest of her 4210 05:11:49,080 --> 05:11:51,480 different life challenges that she's had 4211 05:11:51,480 --> 05:11:54,280 um in the last few months and most 4212 05:11:54,280 --> 05:11:56,638 importantly while she values the 4213 05:11:56,638 --> 05:11:58,558 relationship she's created with our 4214 05:11:58,558 --> 05:12:02,760 group she couldn't be more happy she you 4215 05:12:02,760 --> 05:12:05,120 guys know she was a former teacher her 4216 05:12:05,120 --> 05:12:08,280 experiences with our staff over her time 4217 05:12:08,280 --> 05:12:10,360 um not only as a business owner but as a 4218 05:12:10,360 --> 05:12:12,280 council member is something she'll is 4219 05:12:12,280 --> 05:12:14,718 she can't pay us back um she really 4220 05:12:14,718 --> 05:12:16,600 appreciates the relationships and how 4221 05:12:16,600 --> 05:12:18,680 kind and thoughtful that staff has been 4222 05:12:18,680 --> 05:12:20,878 with her on boarding and through her 4223 05:12:20,878 --> 05:12:22,400 work in the town over the last several 4224 05:12:22,400 --> 05:12:26,670 years so thanks to everyone from 4225 05:12:26,680 --> 05:12:30,000 L anything else on this one I don't have 4226 05:12:30,000 --> 05:12:33,718 anything else if you don't I don't okay 4227 05:12:33,718 --> 05:12:34,638 um thank 4228 05:12:34,638 --> 05:12:37,240 you so with that no further action to be 4229 05:12:37,240 --> 05:12:38,600 taken on new business we're going to 4230 05:12:38,600 --> 05:12:41,000 move on to old business which is agenda 4231 05:12:41,000 --> 05:12:43,878 item number three a second reading of 4232 05:12:43,878 --> 05:12:46,958 ordinance 24-11 an ordinance amending 4233 05:12:46,958 --> 05:12:49,240 chapters 10 and 20 of the code of 4234 05:12:49,240 --> 05:12:51,040 ordinances of the town of Frisco 4235 05:12:51,040 --> 05:12:54,160 Colorado concerning respectfully the 4236 05:12:54,160 --> 05:12:58,160 towns council members and 4237 05:12:58,160 --> 05:13:01,480 mayor and Town's elections and the 4238 05:13:01,480 --> 05:13:04,840 change to deadline for the filling of an 4239 05:13:04,840 --> 05:13:07,878 a filing of an Affidavit of intent to be 4240 05:13:07,878 --> 05:13:10,200 a writing candidate for for Municipal 4241 05:13:10,200 --> 05:13:13,840 elections and to revise the procedure 4242 05:13:13,840 --> 05:13:18,080 for cancelling an election in in order 4243 05:13:18,080 --> 05:13:20,000 to be consistent with the Colorado 4244 05:13:20,000 --> 05:13:22,320 statutes I didn't know that would be so 4245 05:13:22,320 --> 05:13:25,680 long um and with that I think we're back 4246 05:13:25,680 --> 05:13:28,760 to Stacy y Stacy ntown clerk for the 4247 05:13:28,760 --> 05:13:31,558 record so um this evening there has been 4248 05:13:31,558 --> 05:13:34,240 no changes um since your first reading 4249 05:13:34,240 --> 05:13:36,680 at your last meeting and I'm available 4250 05:13:36,680 --> 05:13:41,628 if you have any questions 4251 05:13:41,638 --> 05:13:43,320 Andy you 4252 05:13:43,320 --> 05:13:46,558 good great thank you Stacy uh back to 4253 05:13:46,558 --> 05:13:49,878 council for any other comments here or 4254 05:13:49,878 --> 05:13:52,040 questions public 4255 05:13:52,040 --> 05:13:54,480 comments any public comments on agenda 4256 05:13:54,480 --> 05:13:58,840 item number three in 4257 05:13:58,840 --> 05:14:01,240 Council no any 4258 05:14:01,240 --> 05:14:04,320 online no Mr CH no thank you with that 4259 05:14:04,320 --> 05:14:06,160 it's back to council for any further 4260 05:14:06,160 --> 05:14:08,878 discussion or a motion Mr Mayor I move 4261 05:14:08,878 --> 05:14:12,000 the we approve um agenda item number 4262 05:14:12,000 --> 05:14:15,440 three second reading of ordinance 4263 05:14:15,440 --> 05:14:17,920 24-11 second 4264 05:14:17,920 --> 05:14:21,040 oh we have a motion in a second please 4265 05:14:21,040 --> 05:14:25,440 call the question Kibby yes Adrian yes 4266 05:14:25,440 --> 05:14:30,718 Allan yes inin yes arenson yes held yes 4267 05:14:30,718 --> 05:14:33,628 and hink 4268 05:14:33,638 --> 05:14:36,708 go 4269 05:14:36,718 --> 05:14:39,798 okay so with that we're going to move on 4270 05:14:39,798 --> 05:14:41,558 to our next item of business which is 4271 05:14:41,558 --> 05:14:43,798 we're going to recess a 4272 05:14:43,798 --> 05:14:46,240 regular meeting of The Frisco Town 4273 05:14:46,240 --> 05:14:48,000 Council and we're going to open a 4274 05:14:48,000 --> 05:14:50,160 meeting of 4275 05:14:50,160 --> 05:14:53,120 The Frisco Community Housing Development 4276 05:14:53,120 --> 05:14:55,000 Authority meeting and with that let's 4277 05:14:55,000 --> 05:14:58,558 have a roll call all right Allan here 4278 05:14:58,558 --> 05:15:05,200 inin here Aronson scrj Adrian Kibby held 4279 05:15:05,200 --> 05:15:07,160 here and hink 4280 05:15:07,160 --> 05:15:11,520 go with that we'll open it up to any uh 4281 05:15:11,520 --> 05:15:16,070 public comment on the Housing Authority 4282 05:15:16,080 --> 05:15:18,920 business public comment in Council 4283 05:15:18,920 --> 05:15:20,760 public comment 4284 05:15:20,760 --> 05:15:24,510 online nope 4285 05:15:24,520 --> 05:15:27,280 okay that brings us to our next item of 4286 05:15:27,280 --> 05:15:29,160 business is going to be the cons the 4287 05:15:29,160 --> 05:15:32,080 consent agenda for the housing 4288 05:15:32,080 --> 05:15:35,760 authority and with that if anyone has 4289 05:15:35,760 --> 05:15:37,638 any questions or a 4290 05:15:37,638 --> 05:15:40,240 motion and consent is minutes from our 4291 05:15:40,240 --> 05:15:44,708 last 4292 05:15:44,718 --> 05:15:47,400 meeting Mr actually it's actually the 4293 05:15:47,400 --> 05:15:49,160 resolution designating the place for 4294 05:15:49,160 --> 05:15:51,040 posting of 4295 05:15:51,040 --> 05:15:54,600 notices the first the the first annual 4296 05:15:54,600 --> 05:15:59,160 post it's January yep okay so minutes 4297 05:15:59,160 --> 05:16:02,480 and the posting of our meetings in 4298 05:16:02,480 --> 05:16:07,310 public spaces thank you 4299 05:16:07,320 --> 05:16:10,480 Todd I'll make a motion to approve as 4300 05:16:10,480 --> 05:16:14,240 stated second we have a motion to 4301 05:16:14,240 --> 05:16:15,920 approve the consent agenda and a second 4302 05:16:15,920 --> 05:16:20,200 please call the question yes yes Allan 4303 05:16:20,200 --> 05:16:26,120 yes incin yes Aron yes held yeso ask 4304 05:16:26,120 --> 05:16:28,440 great we'll move on to a new business 4305 05:16:28,440 --> 05:16:31,040 with the housing authority 4306 05:16:31,040 --> 05:16:34,400 and with that's going to be lesie and I 4307 05:16:34,400 --> 05:16:36,120 don't have any other further stuff right 4308 05:16:36,120 --> 05:16:38,040 in front of me so that's I got no more 4309 05:16:38,040 --> 05:16:42,270 for 4310 05:16:42,280 --> 05:16:45,280 good evening Commissioners we have three 4311 05:16:45,280 --> 05:16:47,360 items on your new business which all 4312 05:16:47,360 --> 05:16:50,440 relate to the financing of Workforce 4313 05:16:50,440 --> 05:16:52,840 housing um so to start with the first 4314 05:16:52,840 --> 05:16:54,958 item of new business we have an approval 4315 05:16:54,958 --> 05:16:57,638 for the engagement of Butler snow this 4316 05:16:57,638 --> 05:17:00,440 is Bond Council that uh we have as the 4317 05:17:00,440 --> 05:17:03,360 town of Frisco previously worked with 4318 05:17:03,360 --> 05:17:05,360 they uh served as Bond Council for the 4319 05:17:05,360 --> 05:17:08,160 granite Park project uh that was 4320 05:17:08,160 --> 05:17:10,920 financed in 2023 and we've had good 4321 05:17:10,920 --> 05:17:12,798 experience with Butler snow as our bond 4322 05:17:12,798 --> 05:17:15,040 Council and staff recommends the 4323 05:17:15,040 --> 05:17:17,400 approval of an engagement agreement with 4324 05:17:17,400 --> 05:17:24,190 them as related to the project at 602 4325 05:17:24,200 --> 05:17:26,878 Galina do this I it should probably be 4326 05:17:26,878 --> 05:17:29,200 individual motions yes so there's your 4327 05:17:29,200 --> 05:17:31,360 first item you want to show that to me 4328 05:17:31,360 --> 05:17:34,520 I'll make a motion 4329 05:17:34,520 --> 05:17:37,080 yeah first item well do you want to go 4330 05:17:37,080 --> 05:17:39,360 through the comment question comments 4331 05:17:39,360 --> 05:17:41,920 wise remarks we didn't hit public 4332 05:17:41,920 --> 05:17:44,040 comment as I'm going through the agenda 4333 05:17:44,040 --> 05:17:46,920 so I want to briefly state or Lesly if 4334 05:17:46,920 --> 05:17:49,920 you'll bear with us open it up any 4335 05:17:49,920 --> 05:17:51,920 public or did I go to public you did no 4336 05:17:51,920 --> 05:17:54,798 I Justus I'm sorry are you ready for a 4337 05:17:54,798 --> 05:17:57,000 motion we 4338 05:17:57,000 --> 05:17:59,280 are since this was 4339 05:17:59,280 --> 05:18:01,600 just I move that we approve the 4340 05:18:01,600 --> 05:18:10,030 engagement of Butler snow 4341 05:18:10,040 --> 05:18:11,958 thanks Lesley with that we have a motion 4342 05:18:11,958 --> 05:18:15,440 in a second when we're ready we can call 4343 05:18:15,440 --> 05:18:17,958 Leno is absent Kibby 4344 05:18:17,958 --> 05:18:30,590 yes yes Allan yes in yes yes H 4345 05:18:30,600 --> 05:18:34,798 yes with that let's move on to our it's 4346 05:18:34,798 --> 05:18:36,558 g i heard 4347 05:18:36,558 --> 05:18:40,590 three there 4348 05:18:40,600 --> 05:18:43,080 so it's agenda item number two for the 4349 05:18:43,080 --> 05:18:46,000 Housing Authority approval of Engagement 4350 05:18:46,000 --> 05:18:49,718 of Piper Sandler and Co as underwriter 4351 05:18:49,718 --> 05:18:51,360 replacement agent for the frisco 4352 05:18:51,360 --> 05:18:53,958 Community Housing Development 4353 05:18:53,958 --> 05:18:56,638 Authority so this second engagement 4354 05:18:56,638 --> 05:18:58,840 agreement is related to Piper Sandler 4355 05:18:58,840 --> 05:19:01,280 they are um Underwriters or replacement 4356 05:19:01,280 --> 05:19:05,840 agent um for financing of um any kind of 4357 05:19:05,840 --> 05:19:07,718 debt but in in this case for the 4358 05:19:07,718 --> 05:19:11,520 authority um we as the town of Frisco I 4359 05:19:11,520 --> 05:19:13,240 don't believe have done business with 4360 05:19:13,240 --> 05:19:16,000 Piper Sandler however um as part of the 4361 05:19:16,000 --> 05:19:19,000 process of 62 Galina there was an RFP 4362 05:19:19,000 --> 05:19:21,958 put out um at that time that was done by 4363 05:19:21,958 --> 05:19:25,160 nhp but also in conjunction with um the 4364 05:19:25,160 --> 05:19:27,958 town of Frisco staff um the result of 4365 05:19:27,958 --> 05:19:30,240 that RFP was the selection of Piper 4366 05:19:30,240 --> 05:19:33,040 Sandler related to their fees um and 4367 05:19:33,040 --> 05:19:35,320 their recommended structure of the 4368 05:19:35,320 --> 05:19:37,718 financing and staff recommends the 4369 05:19:37,718 --> 05:19:40,200 approval of Eng agement with Piper s for 4370 05:19:40,200 --> 05:19:43,440 financing got it thank you any questions 4371 05:19:43,440 --> 05:19:45,160 for 4372 05:19:45,160 --> 05:19:48,760 Lesley I'm back on track Stacy no public 4373 05:19:48,760 --> 05:19:52,120 comment any public comment in Chambers 4374 05:19:52,120 --> 05:19:53,440 any 4375 05:19:53,440 --> 05:19:56,000 online back to council for any further 4376 05:19:56,000 --> 05:19:58,360 discussion or a motion Mr Mayor I move 4377 05:19:58,360 --> 05:19:59,760 that we approve the engagement of Piper 4378 05:19:59,760 --> 05:20:02,200 Sandler and Company as under writer 4379 05:20:02,200 --> 05:20:05,990 placement 4380 05:20:06,000 --> 05:20:08,080 agent great we have a motion and a 4381 05:20:08,080 --> 05:20:11,798 second please call the question H yes m 4382 05:20:11,798 --> 05:20:15,680 is absent Kibby yes CJ Adrien yes Allan 4383 05:20:15,680 --> 05:20:18,360 yes in yes arenson 4384 05:20:18,360 --> 05:20:21,480 yes great thank you and then we're on to 4385 05:20:21,480 --> 05:20:24,240 agenda item number 4386 05:20:24,240 --> 05:20:27,480 three that's interesting 4387 05:20:27,480 --> 05:20:30,840 um I'm I have a title I'm gonna read it 4388 05:20:30,840 --> 05:20:33,360 of resolution 25-2 of resolution 4389 05:20:33,360 --> 05:20:35,280 expressing the intent of The Frisco 4390 05:20:35,280 --> 05:20:37,320 Community Housing Development Authority 4391 05:20:37,320 --> 05:20:39,680 to be reimbursed for certain Capital 4392 05:20:39,680 --> 05:20:41,400 expenditures associated with the 4393 05:20:41,400 --> 05:20:45,718 financing of a Workforce housing 4394 05:20:45,718 --> 05:20:48,160 project so this is also related to 4395 05:20:48,160 --> 05:20:49,680 financing and the purpose of this 4396 05:20:49,680 --> 05:20:53,558 resolution would allow um for any 4397 05:20:53,558 --> 05:20:55,480 expenses that occur between the dates of 4398 05:20:55,480 --> 05:20:57,360 the resolution and the date that we 4399 05:20:57,360 --> 05:21:00,120 close on our financing for the authority 4400 05:21:00,120 --> 05:21:02,600 to be reimbursed from that financing for 4401 05:21:02,600 --> 05:21:04,638 the costs that occur between that those 4402 05:21:04,638 --> 05:21:09,718 time periods got it thank you 4403 05:21:09,718 --> 05:21:13,520 adopt that resolution any questions for 4404 05:21:13,520 --> 05:21:16,680 lesie no any public comment in 4405 05:21:16,680 --> 05:21:20,798 Chambers any online no thank you um with 4406 05:21:20,798 --> 05:21:24,360 that back to council for discussion or a 4407 05:21:24,360 --> 05:21:27,558 motion Mr Mayor I approve we I move that 4408 05:21:27,558 --> 05:21:31,910 we approve resolution 4409 05:21:31,920 --> 05:21:33,718 25-2 4410 05:21:33,718 --> 05:21:35,920 second great we have a motion in a 4411 05:21:35,920 --> 05:21:38,360 second please call the question arenson 4412 05:21:38,360 --> 05:21:43,040 yes held yes Leno is absent Kibby yes 4413 05:21:43,040 --> 05:21:47,718 scrap Che Adrien yes Allan yes inin 4414 05:21:47,718 --> 05:21:51,390 yes great thanks 4415 05:21:51,400 --> 05:21:54,200 Cy and that is our last item on the 4416 05:21:54,200 --> 05:21:57,830 agenda for 4417 05:21:57,840 --> 05:22:01,440 the frisco Community Development housing 4418 05:22:01,440 --> 05:22:03,878 authority and with that we're going to 4419 05:22:03,878 --> 05:22:06,160 close this meeting and we're going to go 4420 05:22:06,160 --> 05:22:07,600 back to our regular meeting of The 4421 05:22:07,600 --> 05:22:09,200 Frisco Town Council 4422 05:22:09,200 --> 05:22:12,240 in un adjourn I think you have to have a 4423 05:22:12,240 --> 05:22:16,040 motion to adjourn the yeah the Housing 4424 05:22:16,040 --> 05:22:18,200 Authority First Mr Mr Mayor I make a 4425 05:22:18,200 --> 05:22:20,798 motion to adjourn 4426 05:22:20,798 --> 05:22:23,480 housing we have a motion to adjourn 4427 05:22:23,480 --> 05:22:25,680 second all in 4428 05:22:25,680 --> 05:22:29,878 favor right now we're back coming out 4429 05:22:29,878 --> 05:22:31,638 coming out of the Housing Authority now 4430 05:22:31,638 --> 05:22:34,240 we're back in council 4431 05:22:34,240 --> 05:22:36,958 meeting a motion to move into executive 4432 05:22:36,958 --> 05:22:46,590 session yes 4433 05:22:46,600 --> 05:22:48,520 motion that we move into executive 4434 05:22:48,520 --> 05:22:51,440 session pursuant to you have 4435 05:22:51,440 --> 05:22:56,040 to statute sorry have to 4436 05:22:56,040 --> 05:22:58,360 change 4437 05:22:58,360 --> 05:23:00,878 um here yeah thank 4438 05:23:00,878 --> 05:23:03,840 you um Mr may I make a motion that we 4439 05:23:03,840 --> 05:23:07,600 move to Executive session pursu uh to CR 4440 05:23:07,600 --> 05:23:10,400 s section 2 4-6 4441 05:23:10,400 --> 05:23:13,920 424b concerning Conference of attorneys 4442 05:23:13,920 --> 05:23:16,080 for the town to receive legal advice and 4443 05:23:16,080 --> 05:23:17,840 specific legal questions related to the 4444 05:23:17,840 --> 05:23:19,878 development agreements for certain real 4445 05:23:19,878 --> 05:23:22,240 estate property owned by the town and 4446 05:23:22,240 --> 05:23:25,798 known as 602 Galina Street and pursuant 4447 05:23:25,798 --> 05:23:29,798 to CRS section 2246 4448 05:23:29,798 --> 05:23:32,638 424e to determine positions relative to 4449 05:23:32,638 --> 05:23:33,920 matters that may be subject to 4450 05:23:33,920 --> 05:23:35,958 negotiations to develop strategy for 4451 05:23:35,958 --> 05:23:37,718 negotiations and to instruct 4452 05:23:37,718 --> 05:23:39,480 negotiations concerning the development 4453 05:23:39,480 --> 05:23:40,878 agreement for certain real estate 4454 05:23:40,878 --> 05:23:43,240 property owned by the town and known as 4455 05:23:43,240 --> 05:23:45,760 602 galita 4456 05:23:45,760 --> 05:23:47,840 street thank you we have a motion do we 4457 05:23:47,840 --> 05:23:50,400 have a second 4458 05:23:50,400 --> 05:23:52,878 second and then now it's we're going to 4459 05:23:52,878 --> 05:23:56,280 Executive station all those in favor 4460 05:23:56,280 --> 05:23:58,920 hi is it a roll 4461 05:23:58,920 --> 05:24:00,760 call oh you want to do a roll call 4462 05:24:00,760 --> 05:24:01,638 though because we have to have a certain 4463 05:24:01,638 --> 05:24:03,120 number so we just want to make sure oh 4464 05:24:03,120 --> 05:24:06,240 absolutely yeah roll call your roll call 4465 05:24:06,240 --> 05:24:08,040 vote on moving into the executive 4466 05:24:08,040 --> 05:24:09,558 session 4467 05:24:09,558 --> 05:24:14,080 um kby yes scrap Che Adrian yes Alan yes 4468 05:24:14,080 --> 05:24:18,480 in yes arenson yes H yes and Linko is 4469 05:24:18,480 --> 05:24:21,440 absent okay uh just a moment uh we're 4470 05:24:21,440 --> 05:24:23,718 gonna switch over the zooms too Andy so 4471 05:24:23,718 --> 05:24:27,320 you got to go into that other Zoom 4472 05:24:27,320 --> 05:24:30,360 okay oh you're muted sorry did you send 4473 05:24:30,360 --> 05:24:33,240 me a link to that I can resend it to you 4474 05:24:33,240 --> 05:24:37,840 okay thank you yep see you soon