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[53:41] hey Andy can you hear us just doing a
[53:46] check uh oh he looks froz he looks
[53:49] Frozen to me give it a
[54:22] hey Andy just doing an audio check can
[54:24] you hear us okay
[54:30] oh we can't hear
[54:35] him hey Andy can you say something one
[54:37] more time you can hear
[54:42] us so have you got can't hear you all
[54:46] right hang on one sec
[55:22] hey Andy it's Stacy again just doing
[55:31] home
[56:01] it's plugged in though it should have
[56:03] been picking up yeah it should
[56:55] yeah e
[57:46] conversation I remember having with my
[57:48] uh my friend who owned the trash company
[57:50] city of Wilmington operated it
[57:52] internally their own so Union contract
[57:57] they didn't pick up on rainy days below
[58:00] 45 degrees or
[58:02] something it was in their
[58:09] contract what
[58:11] you l
[58:30] hello hiy
[58:33] us I can hear
[58:37] you or not
[58:39] anymore you're muted thank you Andy
[58:42] thank you okay we can hear you just fine
[58:55] good e
[59:51] been chaotic this week
[59:55] man catch
[1:00:01] up see the
[1:00:24] discussion e
[1:01:11] I only saw the one yeah you're over on
[1:01:13] the right
[1:01:14] side to the left side the wrong
[1:01:20] side how you doing today I am apparently
[1:01:25] a lot less stressed than you
[1:01:31] are a lot going on work that's for sure
[1:01:34] P seven
[1:01:36] days I did get a a very urgent text from
[1:01:39] one of my major constituents today I E
[1:01:42] my
[1:01:43] wife she uh she's concerned about how
[1:01:46] roads left Boulders of snow in our
[1:01:48] driveway today she will be sitting
[1:01:54] here e
[1:02:41] fact that we haven't had any melt off
[1:02:44] month
[1:02:45] that we're getting to the point where
[1:02:49] our
[1:02:51] plows can't push over
[1:02:56] and it starts to change how you manage
[1:02:58] it you have to actually do have to go
[1:03:00] back and push back so you have
[1:03:02] room that makes
[1:03:05] sense well if you want I just wrote out
[1:03:07] the instructions to starting running and
[1:03:09] stopping our
[1:03:11] snowblower we got yeah do your wife use
[1:03:15] it I use
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[1:03:19] it oh really it starts with flip the
[1:03:22] lever from the turtle to the rabbit yep
[1:03:26] our turn the thing well let her know
[1:04:20] yeah
[1:04:21] it's wasn't good so how you doing today
[1:04:26] SP a lot of
[1:04:29] [Music]
[1:04:32] money I might have a
[1:04:41] little one Lodge and then two
[1:04:51] areas yeah getting handed that that's a
[1:04:54] I got handed that dog
[1:05:03] it's can be but I mean I've actually my
[1:05:07] old job used to
[1:05:24] be e
[1:05:58] you can't
[1:06:04] really is that I imagine that's largely
[1:06:07] because of familiarity of
[1:06:09] mountain mountain are obviously
[1:06:12] obviously the companyes different
[1:06:13] revenue streams oh true different
[1:06:16] business units so there is some
[1:06:18] complexity like I have to live in
[1:06:21] that you have to build your time no I
[1:06:24] don't have to all my departments all my
[1:06:28] all my departments
[1:06:31] sh every
[1:06:34] Department are
[1:06:39] there go both ways um one of
[1:06:44] my departmental
[1:06:54] managers e
[1:07:41] there's ways to keep it out
[1:07:44] of yeah
[1:07:46] mean
[1:07:53] decision exist
[1:08:19] today good I was there for me and
[1:08:21] somebody
[1:08:24] else e
[1:09:17] soon it'll be Pioneer Square or whatever
[1:09:21] that's right slice of pizza hang out
[1:09:23] going to have some more options here
[1:09:25] soon
[1:09:29] I I would imagine they're trying to open
[1:09:33] for June is there a liquor license
[1:09:36] facility Stacy are the are the Pioneer
[1:09:40] Court folks working on liquor licenses
[1:09:42] and stuff like that Jean um so he's
[1:09:44] gonna go through an attorney he called
[1:09:46] me the other day and um he's like can I
[1:09:49] just come in and meet with you and like
[1:09:51] you know what do I need to know and I
[1:09:52] was like no no no if you're going to go
[1:09:53] through an attorney they they'll handle
[1:09:55] all that for you I was like have your
[1:09:56] attorney contact me if they need help
[1:09:59] but the attorneys usually know exactly
[1:10:02] what to
[1:10:24] do e
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[1:11:54] something e
[1:12:33] how you
[1:12:34] doing you doing
[1:12:57] for
[1:12:58] you I was reading my hometown newspaper
[1:13:03] does yes we got a
[1:13:07] couple never
[1:13:10] anything on
[1:13:24] theist e
[1:14:09] changed years ago to allow that because
[1:14:11] it seems like Jeff Co used to run
[1:14:15] them but but that was many years ago
[1:14:19] Jeff the
[1:14:20] sh yes elected official what his
[1:14:23] consequences
[1:14:30] right favorite
[1:14:32] parenting 17 there was a DUI checkpoint
[1:14:36] of I'll say right around the corner from
[1:14:37] our house
[1:14:41] I totally forgot can you run up to the
[1:14:43] Acme or Safeway
[1:14:45] and forcing him to go through the
[1:14:55] your respect
[1:15:50] B
[1:15:55] coming back at 27
[1:16:53] and e
[1:17:54] that was
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[1:18:01] yourself
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[1:18:23] go e
[1:19:08] just
[1:19:53] whatever St
[1:20:23] he hasn't heard from us
[1:20:39] we I know he said he's working
[1:21:22] hey Dy we're just waiting on Dan you
[1:21:28] know what was
[1:21:49] that when when everyone's talking I
[1:21:52] can't hear
[1:22:22] just
[1:22:50] [Music]
[1:23:01] no
[1:23:32] in
[1:24:04] he
[1:24:39] everybody the work session on January 14
[1:24:44] 2025 acknowledging Andy is
[1:24:53] reme for
[1:25:48] Andy can you hear us I just wanted to
[1:25:50] confirm I can hear you now just now
[1:25:54] thank
[1:26:05] you should we keep that up Stacy we can
[1:26:14] see and I'll keep an eye on
[1:26:28] I don't know why that's happening but
[1:26:30] I'll keep an eye on it from my station
[1:26:31] as well and just make sure that we
[1:26:33] remain off mute okay Andy if we go muted
[1:26:36] without meaning to just wave your hands
[1:26:38] so we know catch our attention thanks
[1:26:42] perfect good try good
[1:26:44] test all right diving right in here um
[1:26:49] on the topic today as you know from your
[1:26:51] staff report you received a draft I want
[1:26:53] to emphasize draft comoving in um before
[1:26:56] you I want to recognize that as we go
[1:26:58] through went through everything over the
[1:27:00] last three work sessions that we've held
[1:27:01] on this it's one thing to sit and have
[1:27:04] the conversation and provide direction
[1:27:06] for me to interpret it and then write it
[1:27:08] and then now you actually got to see
[1:27:10] what it looks like um definitely this is
[1:27:13] the opportunity to let
[1:27:40] resale calculation with Capital
[1:27:42] Improvements owner and renter employment
[1:27:45] requirements we're going to verify along
[1:27:47] with I did add assets um that was in the
[1:27:49] Covenant and there was some uncertainty
[1:27:51] after I sent out the staff report it was
[1:27:53] brought up that might have misunderstood
[1:27:55] that topic a little bit or completely
[1:27:57] and then added other because I'm not
[1:27:59] sure if you have other topics you saw in
[1:28:01] the Covenant that were you wanted to
[1:28:08] bring apologize for the aing problems um
[1:28:13] okay so moving on to the first one with
[1:28:16] the lottery
[1:28:20] topic we're looking specifically for
[1:28:22] Council feedback on the propol Lottery
[1:28:24] language which you saw in the Covenant
[1:28:26] specifically connected to this I'm going
[1:28:28] to put a couple questions at you and
[1:28:30] I'll put them back as we talk about this
[1:28:32] um keep in your head we're looking for
[1:28:34] feedback does the council want to modify
[1:28:37] suggested priority requirements for
[1:28:39] extra tickets should an affidavit alone
[1:28:42] be acceptable without
[1:28:44] verification should there be a penalty
[1:28:46] for not going forward with if you are
[1:28:48] the selected candidate for a lottery um
[1:28:51] and I'll go back to these all
[1:29:04] and Theos
[1:29:07] tickets um to see how with the maximum
[1:29:11] total raised would
[1:29:13] be okay so as noted one the first thing
[1:29:16] and I'll pause on this for a little bit
[1:29:18] staff looked at examples of what other
[1:29:20] communities do along with taking into
[1:29:22] consideration what we heard from Council
[1:29:24] at the last work session Council had a
[1:29:27] little bit different opinions so this is
[1:29:29] up for definite discussion you may have
[1:29:31] um there was Conversation Over Copper
[1:29:34] 10mile Basin being a priority or not
[1:29:36] being a priority so as drafted before
[1:29:39] you to to start a discussion
[1:29:45] on everybody would get a ticket if they
[1:29:49] meet the definition of a resident and
[1:29:51] then you would get an extra ticket so
[1:29:54] ticket number two if you have been
[1:29:57] working for a business located within
[1:29:59] the town of Frisco at least 30 hours a
[1:30:01] week for at least two consecutive years
[1:30:05] then you can get a third ticket maximum
[1:30:08] of three the way this is drafted and I
[1:30:10] apologize step report said two and it
[1:30:12] would be three um if you have lived and
[1:30:16] or worked for a business located within
[1:30:18] the 10 Mile Basin for five years or more
[1:30:20] so as proposed you get an extra ticket
[1:30:23] if you have been specifically working
[1:30:25] within the town of Risco at least two
[1:30:27] years and then there's an option for an
[1:30:29] additional ticket if
[1:30:32] you Bas in for at least five years um
[1:30:35] working or living in that area so for
[1:30:38] example somebody who works at Copper
[1:30:40] Mountain for six years would get an
[1:30:42] extra ticket through that second Clause
[1:30:44] they would not get an extra ticket for
[1:30:46] the first one because copper is not
[1:30:48] within the
[1:30:49] town so I'll open it here for comments
[1:30:52] feedback thoughts so
[1:30:56] so I know on the the
[1:31:00] lottery I was trying to Hope like people
[1:31:04] here longer than two years you know like
[1:31:06] people who are here for 10 years 15
[1:31:09] years that are applying for housing and
[1:31:12] stuff and have worked in the town at
[1:31:13] Brisco or you 10 Mile decent you know as
[1:31:18] taking that group of people
[1:31:27] how do we get people who've been here
[1:31:29] you know two years I think
[1:31:32] is you know but I was wondering how we
[1:31:35] can get those people to here 10 15 years
[1:31:39] you know if there's a lot of them I I
[1:31:41] don't know how many there are what what
[1:31:43] the average age is who people who are
[1:31:45] trying to get into the summer County
[1:31:48] Housing 10 years yeah you know um that's
[1:31:53] kind of what I was when we were talking
[1:31:56] Lottery you know I was thinking that
[1:31:58] that kind of way you know
[1:32:02] um so
[1:32:04] that's too I hav't really
[1:32:17] considered I just believe in the lottery
[1:32:19] system for this process um I'm open to
[1:32:22] the idea that uh maybe push that back a
[1:32:25] little bit so that give an advantage to
[1:32:27] people who have been here longer yeah I
[1:32:30] I think two years is well it's kind of a
[1:32:33] short time if people are in the same
[1:32:35] Lottery with you they've been here 10 or
[1:32:38] 15 you know what do you think would be a
[1:32:40] good
[1:32:41] number Bas I don't know I just kind of
[1:32:43] wondering what how many people are our
[1:32:46] town applying for that kind of stuff and
[1:32:49] how long they lived here you know
[1:32:51] because you know 15 years or two years
[1:32:54] is you know who do you pick 10
[1:33:02] years I can't hear you
[1:33:05] again yeah this is goingon to be a tough
[1:33:07] meeting like this I can't hear you guys
[1:33:09] at all you're off
[1:33:13] again I think Stacy is working behind
[1:33:16] the scenes and trying to troubleshoot it
[1:33:18] right
[1:33:20] now okay that
[1:33:22] that's just get P pieces and pieces uh
[1:33:26] I'm with you Dan I I feel like 10 years
[1:33:30] is is at least the Mark I you know
[1:33:33] personally I I think you should have the
[1:33:36] opportunity to tr to get more than just
[1:33:38] two or three tickets unless we are um
[1:33:42] capping the number of people that can
[1:33:45] join the lottery but that also hinders
[1:33:47] people within
[1:33:49] uh uh you know a time frame of signing
[1:33:52] up for it so that that's a tough one
[1:33:54] there
[1:33:56] but it's almost like
[1:33:59] copping people in the 10 Mile Basin
[1:34:03] first before everyone else can
[1:34:09] apply you know that's the hard thing
[1:34:11] with Lil Nells neighborhood over there
[1:34:14] that I don't know I think it was like
[1:34:16] 300 people one of my run was in on that
[1:34:19] and he end up
[1:34:21] 155 you know when is when is cut when do
[1:34:24] you cut it say you know now it's 300
[1:34:26] people little that's that was includ a
[1:34:28] didn't have to be resent just for that
[1:34:31] right I think just a county county 300
[1:34:45] clearly at least Cory has already
[1:34:49] offered I will
[1:34:52] volunteer so is the concept of these two
[1:34:56] distinctions acceptable we're just
[1:34:58] talking about the number of years as the
[1:35:00] cut off or is there some
[1:35:03] other weighted Lottery that you're
[1:35:05] thinking so yeah are we talking about
[1:35:08] you have to be here a certain amount of
[1:35:09] years to even enter it well that's what
[1:35:12] the two years is everybody everybody
[1:35:14] that wants to enter yeah this is for an
[1:35:16] add everybody gets one ticket yeah
[1:35:18] you've been here two years in Frisco you
[1:35:20] get two tickets if you've been five
[1:35:22] years in the basic you get
[1:35:24] yeah so everybody can
[1:35:27] have mine was you've been here five
[1:35:30] you've been here 10 years you get two
[1:35:33] tickets that separates the people who've
[1:35:35] been here
[1:35:38] longer you know
[1:35:42] yeah I was thinking like the people all
[1:35:44] 10 years or something 10 to 15 years
[1:35:46] they all go into a
[1:35:48] lottery they go into a lottery nobody
[1:35:50] nobody you're saying you would actually
[1:35:52] restrict the lottery
[1:35:54] like if You' been you would have to have
[1:35:56] been here for 10 years
[1:35:58] whatever could
[1:36:00] get
[1:36:04] yeah sorry what like a first right of
[1:36:08] refusal is that what you're saying Dan
[1:36:11] no I'm just trying to get more equity
[1:36:12] for people who've been here
[1:36:20] longer that's how a lot of the people
[1:36:22] who have been here 10 years trying to
[1:36:24] get a housing they feel you know like oh
[1:36:26] somebody just moved here two years ago
[1:36:29] got a poli I've been living here for a
[1:36:31] long time and how's that play with yeah
[1:36:35] I five years or whatever number is in
[1:36:37] that five year slot you have three times
[1:36:41] the chance of somebody who's been here
[1:36:43] year and I did read that how you know
[1:36:45] the extra tickets have gotten people up
[1:36:47] higher in you
[1:36:50] know in the percentage of being close to
[1:36:53] the that you know I wonder if if you set
[1:36:56] that you know I'm only the only you know
[1:36:58] person saying this you know if you set
[1:37:00] that at 10 years I realized that we
[1:37:02] don't where we would
[1:37:07] set been here for 10 years actually be
[1:37:11] consistent yeah like you know if you is
[1:37:13] it going to be 100 people is it going to
[1:37:16] be five people because ultimately the
[1:37:19] homes have to get sold too yeah yeah
[1:37:21] where where is that number at you know
[1:37:23] yeah and I was you know I mean because
[1:37:26] you can say it could be 20 years too
[1:37:28] yeah yeah no I don't know
[1:37:31] how and I that's why I'm having a
[1:37:34] discussion I'm curious
[1:37:37] um because you didn't want to cut it you
[1:37:40] know you know everybody after two years
[1:37:44] is how I guess the ticket way so anyone
[1:37:48] maybe give them an extra you know I
[1:37:50] don't know correct anyone can enter
[1:37:54] two years is what they're
[1:38:03] saying your first day you can enter
[1:38:07] first day living here you can enter at
[1:38:08] two years you get an additional ticket
[1:38:11] oh is
[1:38:12] that that's what it is oh I thought it
[1:38:15] was two years I thought it was two years
[1:38:17] as well I thought it was two years and
[1:38:18] then you can
[1:38:20] enter so you enter anybody who meets the
[1:38:24] definition of a resident
[1:38:26] enters they get a ticket if they've been
[1:38:29] working in fritzco at least two years
[1:38:32] then they get a second ticket at that
[1:38:35] point and if they have then lived or
[1:38:38] worked in the 10 Mile Basin for at least
[1:38:40] five years then they
[1:38:45] get and I can't hear you again
[1:38:55] I don't think there is but if we were to
[1:38:56] restrict entry into the lottery based on
[1:39:00] how long you've been
[1:39:02] here we have can I don't think you you
[1:39:06] don't have an interstate commerce
[1:39:09] discrimination is that's right that's
[1:39:11] yeah no because it's it's always limited
[1:39:14] to Residents right there's
[1:39:16] no you can't discriminate against
[1:39:18] anybody come out State because you have
[1:39:19] to live here to participate you got to
[1:39:21] be a resident no ISS
[1:39:25] you know I know we're looking at Lottery
[1:39:28] but is a weit
[1:39:31] list would first go to be on a waight
[1:39:34] with and and we pick down we pick down
[1:39:37] the list you know so are you instead of
[1:39:42] a lottery instead of a lottery just wa
[1:39:45] yeah I think you have to give somebody
[1:39:48] who's new to the community a chance to
[1:39:51] get out they're moving here to take a
[1:39:54] job knowing that they're going to be 30
[1:39:56] years before they can get a house
[1:39:58] they're not
[1:39:59] moving so and I awaited lottery I think
[1:40:05] is fair and what whatever the numbers
[1:40:07] are whatever the increments are but you
[1:40:09] got to give somebody who even though
[1:40:12] they're new to the
[1:40:13] community they're coming here they want
[1:40:15] to buy a house they should have a chance
[1:40:17] is it as bit of a chance as somebody
[1:40:19] who's been here 10 years
[1:40:32] I can't hear any of
[1:40:39] it Andy we're gonna pause for a minute
[1:40:42] while they troubleshoot so we won't have
[1:40:45] they almost thanks Andy we're trying to
[1:40:47] figure it out okay yeah it's tough I end
[1:40:51] up hearing half of what everyone says
[1:40:53] okay on pause all
[1:41:00] right select account management account
[1:41:05] setting
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[1:43:38] people
[1:44:04] I made
[1:44:07] a and it hasn't
[1:44:14] gone and now it'll make a noise
[1:44:24] why
[1:45:20] hey I'm going to try to um the meeting
[1:45:23] and just rejoin it see if that helps so
[1:45:26] you'll see us disappear
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[1:48:25] I mean I could just sit here
[1:49:05] oh I mean it'll make a noise now when it
[1:49:07] goes
[1:49:21] off e
[1:50:12] all we need is the list like this no no
[1:50:15] no back into
[1:50:38] shows don't know if's a
[1:50:42] sound I think you're
[1:50:47] right yeah
[1:51:19] well I guess you're right if it is
[1:51:22] assume you're
[1:51:46] right yeah
[1:52:12] f
[1:52:25] can
[1:53:00] know what I'm saying so he can
[1:53:16] still your
[1:53:18] cellone and I'm G to leave this
[1:53:31] and then you want to hear me over the
[1:53:33] video yeah we can hear you
[1:53:37] fine yeah okay I can hear you uh I don't
[1:53:41] know if I can hear everyone else you're
[1:53:43] right next to Stacy's phone
[1:53:52] oh
[1:54:03] barely I can hear you not well but I can
[1:54:06] hear
[1:54:08] you pretty loud can you hear me
[1:54:12] now yeah now while you're on the video I
[1:54:17] can yeah so I think it looks like the
[1:54:20] options are one which I don't know make
[1:54:22] sense to keep having the glitch where
[1:54:24] Cheeks getting disconnect here and I
[1:54:26] think my concern with that is it also
[1:54:28] means anyone watching the recording
[1:54:30] can't hear when they're trying to watch
[1:54:32] this at another time or hear what happen
[1:54:35] but we do it this way but it sounds like
[1:54:36] Andy may not hear you
[1:54:39] well we've kind of gone through all the
[1:54:42] same troubleshooting that we could so
[1:54:46] far yeah I don't know what what you want
[1:54:48] to do but
[1:54:49] I we try
[1:54:59] screaming no this is a zoom problem and
[1:55:01] that's all it's the whole
[1:55:06] thing switch
[1:55:17] team I mean I think and's Andy's
[1:55:22] participation and ability to hear the
[1:55:24] discussion is pretty critical for the
[1:55:27] entire night but especially for this
[1:55:30] segment do we is it I mean I hate even
[1:55:33] suggest this but do we hold this work
[1:55:35] session off until Andy is back in
[1:55:38] town with
[1:55:41] me I'll be back I'm scheduled to be back
[1:55:43] on the 28th I'll be back on the
[1:55:46] 27th we did that earlier later
[1:55:57] I'm I hate to do that I you know but I
[1:55:59] do want to hear what everyone's saying
[1:56:03] it's not it's not you doing it we want
[1:56:05] you to
[1:56:11] be are you are you available earlier
[1:56:15] than four o'clock on the 28
[1:56:19] that see I'll check m
[1:56:22] ATT
[1:56:28] K on the
[1:56:31] 28th I have a very important corporate
[1:56:33] meeting I would love to be available
[1:56:35] on miss that meeting yes I am
[1:56:39] available it as early
[1:56:43] as I would be available in
[1:56:47] person on the
[1:56:50] 28th take the rest our time for this
[1:56:53] item try troubleshoot
[1:56:57] yeah we don't have AUM left in the
[1:57:01] room just stop the work session I'll put
[1:57:03] up messaging for the public just so they
[1:57:06] understand do do
[1:57:12] I see we get it
[1:57:15] fixed the idea is we we don't have a
[1:57:18] quorum if you can't hear Andy so we drop
[1:57:21] this and they're going to try and
[1:57:22] troubleshoot at least for the rest of
[1:57:23] the the night take this time and we'll
[1:57:27] be in contact with you okay hang out
[1:57:31] sorry
[1:58:21] than
[1:58:44] [Music]
[1:58:46] hey
[1:58:50] Tom the
[1:59:04] [Music]
[1:59:09] well
[1:59:39] second thing I said is if you turn off
[1:59:40] the noise
[1:59:45] cancellation yeah it's the
[2:00:38] of
[2:00:42] course that's what we
[2:00:48] did we might be okay
[2:01:08] Andy can you hear
[2:01:10] us I can hear you you know but it's it's
[2:01:14] choppy when everybody talks but oh yeah
[2:01:17] that's normal that's the normal LEL
[2:01:19] performance I can hear you it's it's not
[2:01:21] going mute at the moment on
[2:01:26] you should we try it
[2:01:37] we no he's not no
[2:01:40] like yes that's correct
[2:01:49] [Laughter]
[2:02:07] anything oh we're trying we think so we
[2:02:11] hope
[2:02:12] so it's been it has Auto muted one time
[2:02:28] full confidence
[2:03:19] Andy you can hear us
[2:03:29] yes you had spoken last you can hear
[2:03:34] me what we were talking through was the
[2:03:37] Fair way to do the the um Lottery to
[2:03:40] give appropriate weight to people who
[2:03:42] have been here long appropriate
[2:03:44] opportunity to people who are new to the
[2:03:46] C so just to throw out
[2:03:50] numbers if we
[2:03:52] gave one ticket to everybody meaning no
[2:03:57] matter how long you've been here you get
[2:03:59] an additional ticket after you've been
[2:04:01] here for two years an additional ticket
[2:04:04] after you've been here five years and an
[2:04:06] additional ticket after you've been here
[2:04:08] 10 years so the 10 plus folks get four
[2:04:12] tickets somebody who is new to the
[2:04:14] community does have
[2:04:15] a tiet in with just to throw that out
[2:04:20] there so we're not talking about white
[2:04:21] paper paper ideas and as you discussed
[2:04:24] talk about Frisco 10 miles on
[2:04:33] the yeah I know I'm losing
[2:04:37] my sense of that needing to be critical
[2:04:41] okay how how wide the net is isn't
[2:04:44] something okay does anybody have a
[2:04:46] strong opinion or is it within s County
[2:04:51] think of that yeah I I
[2:04:55] I I would as far as if you can apply
[2:04:59] period if you've been in Summit County
[2:05:01] for zero amount of time you're saying
[2:05:04] you can apply for our Workforce housing
[2:05:07] you get one ticket is that what you're
[2:05:09] saying right so everybody has at least
[2:05:11] an opportunity and no matter how long
[2:05:13] you've been here you have a chance to
[2:05:14] have a ticket in the buck but then if
[2:05:16] you've been here two five and 10 you get
[2:05:18] extra tickets and what about if you've
[2:05:20] been in the M Basin for that
[2:05:23] long we're looking forward to your
[2:05:25] opinion because I don't have one meaning
[2:05:29] whether we do this as just Frisco the 10
[2:05:31] Mile Basin or all of Summit County is a
[2:05:33] question for the T yeah you know
[2:05:36] personally I I feel like the people who
[2:05:38] have been vested in Frisco are the
[2:05:41] people who have been in the 10- mile
[2:05:43] Basin and uh you know that should count
[2:05:46] for something whatever that is if that's
[2:05:50] another ticket I don't know but
[2:05:52] uh you know then then we're also getting
[2:05:55] into how many people are applying for
[2:05:58] these units and you I'm just I I I'm
[2:06:01] just throwing ideas if we did zero and
[2:06:04] two in Frisco five and 10 is Sun
[2:06:09] County or not Frisco 10 Mile Basin zero
[2:06:12] and two are 10 Mile Basin and five and
[2:06:15] 10 is all count you
[2:06:19] know not Su County not all Sumit
[2:06:26] County well staff had suggested all
[2:06:28] Summit County at some point in the
[2:06:31] criteria because of the fact that a lot
[2:06:34] of the other communities do allow from
[2:06:37] Summit County so it's kind of recognized
[2:06:39] among staff that should all towns start
[2:06:41] trying to open it up for so it's fair
[2:06:43] and that's just something that's been
[2:06:45] brought up by staff too it's we're not
[2:06:47] set it to the council and and I and I
[2:06:51] see that
[2:06:52] uh for us we don't have you know like
[2:06:55] bre has hot Sil has tons you know and
[2:06:59] it's kind of hard to get them all you
[2:07:03] know but K I got 10 Mile Basin in Frisco
[2:07:06] I thought that's what we just talking
[2:07:08] about K right now would you say that all
[2:07:09] the municipalities in the county are
[2:07:12] moving towards kind of reciprocity on
[2:07:15] that there are priority periods in a few
[2:07:19] um I can pull it up I I don't feel
[2:07:22] comfortable saying they're all going
[2:07:23] that direction I don't know if the
[2:07:24] Housing Authority has that answer about
[2:07:27] if all communities are going towards
[2:07:29] Sumit County or if some are still
[2:07:31] specific priority for just a Bas that
[2:07:33] they're located in our
[2:07:35] town okay so so for me uh you know I I
[2:07:40] I'm am definitely I would say against
[2:07:42] the idea of only allowing one or two
[2:07:45] extra tickets in which case you know
[2:07:49] you've got this extra ticket at five
[2:07:52] another extra ticket at 10 another extra
[2:07:54] ticket at 10 Mile Basin uh you know you
[2:07:59] you've and then I don't know how many
[2:08:01] tickets could we could you
[2:08:04] accumulate uh to bump you up the lottery
[2:08:07] would be the idea
[2:08:09] there
[2:08:11] uh you know those of us who have made
[2:08:14] the sacrifices to stay in this
[2:08:18] town I don't know have made those
[2:08:20] sacrifices plenty other people have had
[2:08:23] to choose to be able to buy something
[2:08:25] somewhere else I don't necessarily want
[2:08:27] to penalize them because they ended up
[2:08:30] having to buy something in in Summit
[2:08:33] Cove uh because they couldn't buy
[2:08:35] something here you know I was gone for
[2:08:38] maybe uh you know two two years of my
[2:08:41] tenure here uh and owning another place
[2:08:45] and we ended up being able to buy
[2:08:47] in uh so that's a tough one but feel
[2:08:52] like those that have stayed should at
[2:08:55] least have another
[2:09:02] ticket what would that look like what do
[2:09:03] you
[2:09:04] mean like
[2:09:07] that now now you're up to five tickets
[2:09:09] if you've been here for 10 years and
[2:09:12] you've been here in the 10 Mile Basin
[2:09:15] and you've been here you know uh uh
[2:09:18] working for somebody within the 10 m
[2:09:21] base and area uh you know gives you more
[2:09:25] tickets I you know that's what I'm
[2:09:28] throwing out
[2:09:33] here if you did that are you thinking
[2:09:36] then it would be Summit County for the
[2:09:38] two years Summit County for the five
[2:09:40] years Summit County for the 10 years and
[2:09:42] then an extra ticket if you're within
[2:09:45] the 10 Mile Basin just in general for a
[2:09:47] certain amount of years or
[2:09:52] um you know I mean originally I was
[2:09:55] thinking 10 Mile Basin for for all of it
[2:09:58] as Dan was saying uh
[2:10:02] but you know
[2:10:05] uh yeah that's that's tough one how do
[2:10:07] you guys feel about that in the first
[2:10:11] place I feel like I'd like to put it in
[2:10:14] there for
[2:10:15] now and let this be one that we talk
[2:10:17] about a little more meaning if we are at
[2:10:20] the point of 02 2 5 and
[2:10:22] 10 and then we're down to the
[2:10:26] geography let's let's let declare
[2:10:30] success and move on to the next topic
[2:10:32] and we can hit geography next time so
[2:10:34] yeah would be clear for me I like the
[2:10:36] idea of
[2:10:38] theg my
[2:10:41] concern because if you open this up
[2:10:44] County you're going to get 200 if you
[2:10:46] open it up to 10 Mile base in Frisco
[2:10:48] you're going to get 15 apps it Chang the
[2:10:51] whole
[2:10:52] damic that's for sure I like the concept
[2:10:55] but I agree
[2:10:57] geography and and probably similar thing
[2:11:00] not putting words in your mouth
[2:11:02] understanding what the other towns are
[2:11:03] doing if they're all opening it up to
[2:11:06] our people then I think there's a
[2:11:08] conversation
[2:11:10] about go I think that conversation Point
[2:11:15] tooties do have considerably more
[2:11:18] available than we do so
[2:11:22] conversation well and this is to really
[2:11:25] was to take care of our Workforce we're
[2:11:27] building it to keep our town sustainable
[2:11:29] people here you know working and living
[2:11:31] here and not have to drive from Reon or
[2:11:34] just sumach code you know that's the
[2:11:35] thing is they work here be nice that
[2:11:38] they live here just so they're not
[2:11:39] taking an hour bus or half hour bus you
[2:11:43] know so so when you when you put Summit
[2:11:46] County in there and people are working
[2:11:48] over in Breck and they get a house here
[2:11:50] and then they're commute our you know
[2:11:52] it' be nice that people in the town they
[2:11:54] were I agree I just don't want to get
[2:11:56] into a geography War where our if we
[2:11:58] have people who work here that have
[2:12:01] secured housing in Dylan Silverthorn or
[2:12:04] anywhere else or the
[2:12:07] county they relieved us of that ear I
[2:12:10] yeah so now all of a sudden if we shut
[2:12:12] it down to their
[2:12:14] folks I think
[2:12:16] it yeah whether it's a Mayors and
[2:12:18] managers or whatever this is I don't
[2:12:20] think we have what we need to make this
[2:12:22] decision right now yeah but we're also
[2:12:24] not talking about shutting it down to
[2:12:26] anybody else we're talking about giving
[2:12:29] a little extra favor to those that have
[2:12:31] that are
[2:12:33] vested so maybe County gets one ticket
[2:12:37] like the two-year
[2:12:38] people if you're in some County Frisco
[2:12:43] 10 Mile Basin you're getting one
[2:12:47] ticket in fris for so many years you get
[2:12:50] more tickets I don't know ex thatly
[2:12:52] we're still including
[2:12:54] now how about we table the location part
[2:12:57] for now I'll dra the at least the extra
[2:13:01] tickets based on the years we have I'll
[2:13:03] probably just put something in as a
[2:13:05] placeholder and then we can get back to
[2:13:08] it today or talk about ites that
[2:13:12] work at least we can maybe as long as as
[2:13:15] long as it doesn't just go
[2:13:17] away you know and like like don't rely
[2:13:20] on us to have to bring that back up that
[2:13:22] should be in there somewhere because
[2:13:24] this is important to at least three of
[2:13:27] us got
[2:13:30] it
[2:13:33] okay I'm not sure who the other one is
[2:13:35] but I find it important I just think we
[2:13:37] need to flush this one out a little
[2:13:41] further other one in our current 2019
[2:13:45] deep restriction isn't there something
[2:13:47] on
[2:13:48] resales that we we're Limited in
[2:13:52] geography in a first round and then we
[2:13:55] open it up further correct the first
[2:13:58] round is town of Frisco employ
[2:14:00] employment within the town boundaries
[2:14:02] okay after 30 days which we've yet to
[2:14:04] hit since 2019 and under that Covenant
[2:14:07] it would open up to anybody employed
[2:14:09] within Summit County that's in resales
[2:14:11] right
[2:14:13] resales I just that's an other way of
[2:14:16] thinking about it but am I speaking for
[2:14:19] the group to say
[2:14:22] while we want to at some level
[2:14:24] prioritize Frisco Andor the 10 Mile
[2:14:27] Basin we also want to be cooperative and
[2:14:32] spirited with the workforce housing
[2:14:34] issues throughout the county if there's
[2:14:37] a balance to create let's talk about
[2:14:39] that but from a direction
[2:14:42] standpoint is that where we
[2:14:47] are we're just losing it in the detail
[2:14:52] that fair no I I've I've always felt
[2:14:55] that we are Frisco Centric sitting in
[2:14:57] SMI County and we have always made our
[2:15:00] decisions based on Frisco and the 10
[2:15:03] Mile Basin and the voters in
[2:15:06] Frisco that's where I feel like we've
[2:15:08] been and that's where I feel like our
[2:15:11] loyalty really lies and so you know I
[2:15:15] I'm good with first wrer refusal to
[2:15:18] those that have have uh that are that
[2:15:21] I've made the sacrifice to be
[2:15:25] here
[2:15:28] okay kti next okay so that entered the
[2:15:31] first bullet question here um we talked
[2:15:34] about the affidavit if that would alone
[2:15:37] would be acceptable so is the council
[2:15:41] okay the way the language was drafted
[2:15:43] for a lottery that we would take
[2:15:46] someone's affidavit based on their
[2:15:48] longevity here employment here resident
[2:15:52] here I will say the stakes are too high
[2:15:57] trust everyone but cut the cards anyway
[2:16:00] so take more don't accept just an
[2:16:03] affidavit just some does anyone have any
[2:16:06] objections
[2:16:07] to telling you they've been here years
[2:16:10] not
[2:16:16] show in order to get a mortgage you you
[2:16:18] have to you know sell you're first born
[2:16:21] so like that's all part of
[2:16:26] it okay and then it was brought up at
[2:16:29] the last work session the possibility
[2:16:32] that the to consider if you were the
[2:16:34] first selected for a lottery and you
[2:16:36] turn down that unit should you have some
[2:16:40] kind of a timeline that you couldn't
[2:16:42] apply for the next another unit um in
[2:16:46] response to that we did draft and put
[2:16:48] that in there a lot saving 30 days I
[2:16:50] didn't want to make a couple points to
[2:16:52] this um obviously it was brought up also
[2:16:55] since the staff report went out what
[2:16:57] would happen if an inspection revealed
[2:16:59] problems with the property somebody
[2:17:01] should not be penalized for backing out
[2:17:03] of that contract um and then also the
[2:17:06] Housing Authority brought up a really
[2:17:07] good point after reading the staff
[2:17:09] report a lot of units don't always do an
[2:17:11] open house prior to the lottery so
[2:17:13] people actually get selected and then
[2:17:15] they go see the unit and then they
[2:17:17] realize it may not actually be what they
[2:17:19] want um so those were just two points to
[2:17:22] put in to this discussion it kind of
[2:17:24] came out after the staff report and
[2:17:26] since the discussion in December I'm not
[2:17:29] up for penalizing people in that fashion
[2:17:31] because especially you don't get to see
[2:17:33] the
[2:17:33] unit uh I I'm more interested in how do
[2:17:39] we get people to apply for the units
[2:17:42] that fit their bill as opposed to you
[2:17:45] know just blanket getting into every
[2:17:47] unit
[2:17:48] possible uh
[2:17:51] you know if you want a two-bedroom unit
[2:17:53] then you go for two-bedroom units how do
[2:17:55] we keep it that sort of thing if you you
[2:17:57] know like you wouldn't apply for a
[2:17:59] four-bedroom unit if there ever was one
[2:18:02] or you wouldn't apply for you know a
[2:18:04] studio if I don't know maybe you would
[2:18:06] want a studio whatever because you would
[2:18:09] uh qualify um but if you wouldn't
[2:18:12] qualify for a three-bedroom then you
[2:18:14] shouldn't be going after that one how do
[2:18:16] we keep it that people are are are
[2:18:19] staying within their
[2:18:21] parameters I think that's what part of
[2:18:23] what the penalty is trying to to do
[2:18:26] through that penalty right and I'm
[2:18:29] against the penalty also in general
[2:18:33] because you know you don't get to go see
[2:18:35] the units in and uh and there might be
[2:18:38] inspection issues that's why I'm against
[2:18:40] the penalty but I see the reason for the
[2:18:42] penalty and I'm just wondering if there
[2:18:45] is a way
[2:18:47] besides you know
[2:18:48] letting having to have the seller with
[2:18:52] 40 have 40 people coming to their unit
[2:18:54] is there a way that we can more solidify
[2:18:57] the information so that people who are
[2:19:01] going into a lottery know what they are
[2:19:04] getting outside of
[2:19:06] inspection outside of something that
[2:19:08] would be a legitimate reason not to take
[2:19:10] the is there a way that it could be made
[2:19:12] very very clear what you were getting so
[2:19:14] that people are going for the unit they
[2:19:18] actually do want not just entering the
[2:19:20] line enter the lottery and figure it out
[2:19:22] later
[2:19:23] right um so I'm kind of I'm caught in
[2:19:27] this in the sense I don't like the
[2:19:29] penalty but I understand the reason for
[2:19:31] it is there a way
[2:19:34] also is there a pre-qualification
[2:19:36] process that can be done you know like
[2:19:38] so let's say someone let's say someone
[2:19:40] who would qualify for a
[2:19:42] studio or one bedroom and would not
[2:19:45] qualify say a for that could be caught
[2:19:48] at that time like well you know you're
[2:19:50] not really
[2:19:51] get this for but can't really
[2:19:54] afford those are my
[2:19:57] thoughts that's a good point and I don't
[2:20:00] know how the system works but if you've
[2:20:02] got an 80% Ami unit the person has 120%
[2:20:07] Ami
[2:20:08] income are they in the lottery or
[2:20:10] they've already been screened
[2:20:14] out sorry it's after it's after the
[2:20:18] numbers drawn that you find out that
[2:20:19] they don't qualify
[2:20:21] qualify the
[2:20:24] parameters and I honestly think that
[2:20:27] this question was much more relevant
[2:20:30] when we were talking about if you lose
[2:20:33] the lottery multiple times you get extra
[2:20:35] balls we're okay with the lottery
[2:20:38] prioritization being based on years of
[2:20:40] employe or being a part of the community
[2:20:43] and not how many times have you lost the
[2:20:44] lottery yeah all we're doing is clogging
[2:20:47] the system and that's an sha problem
[2:20:49] that maybe they solve through practice
[2:20:52] as opposed to through deed
[2:20:54] restriction pre pre-screening but I
[2:20:56] don't think we need a deed restriction
[2:20:58] of how to prescreen your people so we're
[2:21:03] all agreement agreed to remove the penal
[2:21:06] that was drafted
[2:21:12] yes sorry I'm just making really clear
[2:21:15] notes
[2:21:16] on okay
[2:21:21] all right moving on next topic resale
[2:21:23] calculation with Capital Improvements um
[2:21:26] what staff heard over the last couple
[2:21:28] discussions was the resale calculation
[2:21:31] again resale c not initial sale price
[2:21:34] but the resale calculation should be
[2:21:35] modified to be a sum of the purchase
[2:21:38] price plus 3% plus 3% a year plus
[2:21:42] unlimited Capital Improvements that was
[2:21:44] um analyzed in the staff report for you
[2:21:47] this is just the language that you saw
[2:21:49] before you um we'll talk about that and
[2:21:52] then the BC and D we had some questions
[2:21:54] on WE carried this over from standard um
[2:21:57] staff is going to look at a little bit
[2:21:58] more with the attorney about the
[2:22:01] necessity of needing to ensure
[2:22:04] appliances are working order things like
[2:22:06] that so I don't want to bog up the
[2:22:07] conversation tonight with our limited
[2:22:09] time but we did ask do we really need to
[2:22:11] be doing this and are we doing it so
[2:22:13] staff will do a little bit more research
[2:22:16] into that part of this so for right now
[2:22:19] the question to council is is the way
[2:22:21] this is written what the council wanted
[2:22:23] and how you want to continue moving
[2:22:25] forward with the Covenant language which
[2:22:27] is the sum of three% a year not
[2:22:29] compounded plus unlimited Capital
[2:22:34] Improvements for for me uh the biggest
[2:22:38] thing
[2:22:39] was was if you were gonna you know say
[2:22:42] we we call out peak one say you happen
[2:22:45] to build a garage you know and you have
[2:22:50] you know your storage space above your
[2:22:52] garage you've got a new you know you've
[2:22:54] got square footage that you've added to
[2:22:56] your
[2:22:57] house um you know I I feel like you
[2:23:00] should get compensated for it it
[2:23:02] definitely moves your house into a
[2:23:05] higher Ami category than what you bought
[2:23:08] it
[2:23:09] at I I I don't feel like there's any
[2:23:12] other possibility unless we add
[2:23:16] adus uh or the ability to add an Adu to
[2:23:20] to Workforce housing uh that
[2:23:23] would bump you to a new Ami category
[2:23:27] without going just down because if
[2:23:31] everything uh if we don't include
[2:23:33] improvements and people don't incl
[2:23:36] improve their places then their Ami
[2:23:39] categor is g to end up going down
[2:23:40] because the house is going to be
[2:23:42] worthless not worthless worth
[2:23:47] less and just to be clear New Living
[2:23:49] Spaces and garages is allowed to be it's
[2:23:53] not part of the depreciation or anything
[2:23:55] it's just gets added to the base
[2:24:00] price the garage just gets added to the
[2:24:03] base price whether it was built
[2:24:05] originally or later it's not depreciated
[2:24:08] or anything it's not appreciated I'm
[2:24:10] good with this with the caveat in the in
[2:24:12] the drafting that I'm good with 3% plus
[2:24:16] unlimited but wherever it says unlimited
[2:24:19] it should reflect less depreciation so
[2:24:22] everybody knows that if you spend $5,000
[2:24:24] painting your house last year three
[2:24:27] years ago you go to sell the property
[2:24:30] you're not getting
[2:24:31] $5,000 you're going to get 5,000 less
[2:24:34] depreciated amount so I just think we
[2:24:36] constantly are harping you're getting
[2:24:38] all of your Capital Improvements back
[2:24:41] and it's just a perception issue more
[2:24:42] than anything
[2:24:45] else I'd agree with that reasonable
[2:24:48] depreciation yeah I agree with the
[2:24:52] aspect um can you put the follow the
[2:24:55] screen
[2:24:57] before SK a couple
[2:25:00] get so also though in the the language
[2:25:03] here
[2:25:07] the staff is suggesting just a simple 3%
[2:25:11] calculation correct taking out of the
[2:25:14] greater than Ami or correct that doesn't
[2:25:17] necessarily greater than with the chart
[2:25:19] because trying to get away from that
[2:25:21] chart there's been too many complaints
[2:25:22] about it and the uncertainty of it um
[2:25:26] and then as far as Capital Improvements
[2:25:28] it is very unique it would be unique in
[2:25:30] the county to have unlimited Capital
[2:25:33] Improvements whether that would affect
[2:25:35] the buo affordability we can't say for
[2:25:37] sure because we don't have any specific
[2:25:39] example most um jurisdictions that look
[2:25:43] at that have Capital Improvements
[2:25:45] limited to 10 or 20% of the initial
[2:25:48] purchase price so unlimited is very
[2:25:51] drastically different and it could lead
[2:25:53] to buyer affordability that's that's a
[2:25:56] concern so on the resale the garage is
[2:26:00] still added on that garage would always
[2:26:02] be added on to the full value so then
[2:26:04] that means that that would be at if it
[2:26:07] has a garage be added
[2:26:09] on so you might want to cut the Capital
[2:26:12] Improvements to and we could be more
[2:26:15] clear maybe that's the direction the
[2:26:17] council might consider directing staff
[2:26:20] to write it as livable space does not
[2:26:23] depreciate and will be added to the base
[2:26:26] price and then the other the things that
[2:26:28] are on the five and 10 year depreciation
[2:26:31] or 10 and 20 year depreciation schedule
[2:26:33] maybe we look at continuing that as is
[2:26:37] with the change that the council
[2:26:38] recommended to go from five to 10 year
[2:26:41] yeah I like
[2:26:45] that because I was reading something in
[2:26:48] here the Adu units only
[2:26:53] back the
[2:26:55] example correct yeah and that's because
[2:26:57] they have the percentage of the S and
[2:27:01] then when they make up then they make
[2:27:03] that up in rent theying the rent they're
[2:27:06] taking in by having
[2:27:08] that don't have a there's no extra
[2:27:13] Inc but it almost sounds like that might
[2:27:15] be more the direction the council is
[2:27:17] really dressing is having recognizing
[2:27:20] living space and garages as that
[2:27:24] shouldn't be penalized in the future or
[2:27:26] taken off of value
[2:27:31] butre yeah I think so
[2:27:35] too they shouldn't have to lose that
[2:27:38] money you know or half the money or
[2:27:45] something go ahead no no Martin after
[2:27:50] don't
[2:27:51] fight go
[2:27:55] ahead um yeah I you know since there
[2:28:01] have been no adus if someone was gonna
[2:28:03] add an Adu especially nowadays that the
[2:28:06] cost of doing such is considerable and
[2:28:10] you shouldn't get penalized for that
[2:28:11] necessarily even though over the long
[2:28:14] term you get paid back with uh with you
[2:28:17] know a positive cash flow in rent if
[2:28:20] there's positive cash flow there uh you
[2:28:23] know so that that's where it's
[2:28:25] like I don't know if it's depreciation
[2:28:28] on that as well but uh you know you
[2:28:31] should get paid back for uh the you know
[2:28:34] your your square
[2:28:36] footage we're all clear on that
[2:28:39] additions like that go add to the basis
[2:28:42] your original purchase price and I I
[2:28:45] think that's how it's written but I
[2:28:46] could if I'm wrong on how it's written I
[2:28:48] think that we could create it that way
[2:28:50] Post in the next
[2:28:52] draft then on the the other issue which
[2:28:54] I know is also a topic people are
[2:28:56] interested in is is that taking out the
[2:28:59] language of the Ami greater greater than
[2:29:01] Ami or
[2:29:02] 3% um right now and I I think I had this
[2:29:07] position the last
[2:29:08] time if I didn't
[2:29:11] K right now uh it's my position that I'm
[2:29:15] okay with the Ami the greater
[2:29:18] that I'm okay
[2:29:21] I remember we did a
[2:29:24] calculation and I see where I I see the
[2:29:28] argument about trouble with the Ami
[2:29:29] table and I can see where this could go
[2:29:32] multiple
[2:29:35] ways is most of the county moving to
[2:29:38] only 3% or are they moving to greater
[2:29:40] than 2% or 3% some are only two% some
[2:29:44] are three but there's no there's no
[2:29:47] there's no no greater other
[2:29:48] municipalities are moving away from the
[2:29:50] Ami chart they usually haven't even used
[2:29:53] the Ami chart it's only our 2019 company
[2:29:56] inis that did for resale calculations
[2:29:59] okay yeah
[2:30:02] yeah nobody I'm in favor of the of the
[2:30:06] verbage of greater than and keeping the
[2:30:08] Ami schedule in there at this point the
[2:30:12] schedule is only going to keep going
[2:30:14] down I I don't see the sea ever you know
[2:30:19] raising the Ami levels uh because their
[2:30:22] goal is to keep it cheaper for everyone
[2:30:25] I I think it falls back into when we
[2:30:28] originally talked about this the
[2:30:30] windfall is not a major windfall there
[2:30:33] if it goes either way and uh the thing
[2:30:37] is if we're just taking away the ability
[2:30:40] uh to you know to make a little bit more
[2:30:43] you know what's a little bit more right
[2:30:45] uh staff came up with the last time it
[2:30:48] was like6 to 14,000 difference on either
[2:30:52] side and if this point with the
[2:30:54] readjusted
[2:30:56] sea scale I it's you're going with 3%
[2:31:02] anyway at this point you know I I don't
[2:31:06] you know th this is what uh the HOA of
[2:31:11] of our largest uh
[2:31:15] uh constituent owned uh neighborhood has
[2:31:19] come forward to say that they approve of
[2:31:21] and they agree with I agree with them I
[2:31:25] will just say I do think the cost value
[2:31:27] was actually up to at least $100,000
[2:31:30] difference sometimes not six to 14 just
[2:31:32] to put that out there and I I'd have to
[2:31:34] run the number or bring them forward
[2:31:36] again but I do remember that we were up
[2:31:38] to 100,000 on properties just to clarify
[2:31:41] well 100,000 certainly PES
[2:31:45] theil and it's also as fast as as fast
[2:31:48] as interest rates went up
[2:31:50] it can come down and all of a sudden
[2:31:52] that chart changes again so the thought
[2:31:54] that it's only going in One Direction
[2:31:57] because s it's a it's a
[2:31:59] formula it's
[2:32:02] not it has nothing to do with interest R
[2:32:05] it's a formula that is yes it does
[2:32:09] Andy interest rates are part of the
[2:32:11] formula as far as why the
[2:32:14] sea lowered the the scale yeah it's it's
[2:32:18] an input to
[2:32:20] formula okay all right uh but with
[2:32:24] that
[2:32:28] um keep going and I let let me come back
[2:32:31] to where I was yeah I I just I mean one
[2:32:34] is Simplicity there's there's a fairness
[2:32:37] element there's a consistency element
[2:32:38] throughout the
[2:32:42] county I think that we're just creating
[2:32:45] uncertainty in the market we don't need
[2:32:48] to you know
[2:32:51] there's so I and I respect what people
[2:32:55] who have the deed restriction would
[2:32:57] prefer which is having the opportunity
[2:32:59] to sell the house for as much as
[2:33:01] possible
[2:33:03] um I think giving changing the deed
[2:33:06] restriction from the lesser of to just a
[2:33:09] 3% escalation is a fair
[2:33:13] adjustment in light of everything else
[2:33:15] going on in the community that's where I
[2:33:17] stand and so you know if we Al look at
[2:33:20] the values of say 100% Ami unit or 120%
[2:33:25] or 160% Ami unit and say Smith ranch or
[2:33:30] anywhere else that they're getting built
[2:33:32] you know what what is that uh equal
[2:33:36] to uh comparatively because if now
[2:33:40] you're you're only being able to sell
[2:33:42] does that mean you're lowering your Ami
[2:33:46] saleability so does your 160 house at
[2:33:50] only 3% sell at a 120
[2:33:54] level or are you able to follow the
[2:33:57] market and sell at a 160 level uh based
[2:34:01] off of what everything else is going for
[2:34:04] in in work force
[2:34:07] housing are you asking
[2:34:10] Andy the comparison between a a new
[2:34:14] product like Smith Ranch to a existing
[2:34:18] project and on a
[2:34:22] resale uh sure at this point you know
[2:34:25] but maybe you've been in Smith Ranch for
[2:34:27] a short time you know the thing is is
[2:34:29] that just hasn't been around as long you
[2:34:31] know I don't know what's happening in in
[2:34:34] Wellington as compared as comparison uh
[2:34:37] you know that have been around as long
[2:34:41] because the the the the the table is
[2:34:45] used primarily
[2:34:47] for new sales
[2:34:50] that's the purpose of it Frisco has
[2:34:53] written it in as part of resales Smith
[2:34:58] Ranch doesn't have it as part of
[2:35:00] resales they only use the table
[2:35:04] for new
[2:35:07] sales and then
[2:35:10] automatically uh any resale is just
[2:35:13] percentage based uh is a straight
[2:35:16] percentage correct
[2:35:20] okay to to the sense of giving the
[2:35:24] unlimited Capital Improvements is
[2:35:28] also an acknowledgement that we're
[2:35:31] trying to be fair to the
[2:35:33] sellers and we're doing something that
[2:35:35] no other community is actually
[2:35:37] doing which gives them the benefit of
[2:35:41] what they've spent on the house just
[2:35:42] from
[2:35:44] a if the goal from the sell's
[2:35:46] perspective which it always is is to
[2:35:48] sell for as much as possible under our
[2:35:49] deed restriction offering opportunities
[2:35:52] to sell at a higher price than anybody
[2:35:54] else in the community because we're
[2:35:56] giving 3% not 2% and 100% of Capital
[2:36:00] Improvements less
[2:36:01] depreciation as opposed to some cap on
[2:36:05] Capital Improvements I disagree there
[2:36:08] andy I I feel like that is really just
[2:36:10] enabling people to make the updates that
[2:36:14] they need to do already to their places
[2:36:17] because otherwise they won't do the the
[2:36:20] updates and then they'll just sell at
[2:36:22] their 3% and the house will be uh
[2:36:26] undervalued as far as uh uh you know the
[2:36:30] condition it's in um and you know unless
[2:36:34] you're adding a garage and or an ad or
[2:36:36] something like that because otherwise
[2:36:39] just the other improvements that you're
[2:36:40] getting paid back for are just to pay
[2:36:43] you back for what you've had to put into
[2:36:45] the house to keep it up for the most
[2:36:47] part unless you hit cap and then you're
[2:36:50] throwing the money away correct and yes
[2:36:53] you know future units are now going for
[2:36:55] 2% but we even have units in Frisco that
[2:36:58] are four and
[2:37:00] five%
[2:37:04] C so I I I don't see like going
[2:37:07] backwards in uh you know and saying we
[2:37:10] only give them 2% without the Ami uh
[2:37:14] greater than uh I I don't see that as
[2:37:17] any benefit whatsoever I see that as a
[2:37:19] taking away from their
[2:37:24] possibilities and again I am
[2:37:27] here
[2:37:29] to shore up uh the ability for Mobility
[2:37:35] for our constituency I am not here to
[2:37:38] just keep these units absolutely cheap
[2:37:41] for perpetuity for whoever else is
[2:37:43] coming in I you know I want to support
[2:37:46] the people that you are vested in this
[2:37:48] community
[2:37:50] then why not remove the Deep
[2:37:53] restriction why not that doesn't make
[2:37:56] any sense because you bought a unit with
[2:37:57] the deed restriction we're talking about
[2:37:59] making the deed restriction more fair
[2:38:01] and
[2:38:02] Equitable the goal is to maximize the
[2:38:05] sale
[2:38:07] price if that's the focus fair and
[2:38:09] Equitable man for a deed restricted unit
[2:38:13] I'm sorry in a fair and Equitable manner
[2:38:15] for a deed restricted unit yes I'm not
[2:38:18] saying that
[2:38:20] everybody should you know that it should
[2:38:22] all go market value remotely I'm saying
[2:38:25] it should be fair and Equitable based
[2:38:27] off of what you bought it for what
[2:38:30] you've done to your unit and what you're
[2:38:32] going to be able to get out of
[2:38:34] it so guess that's what we disagree is
[2:38:36] I'm I'm viewing fair and Equitable as a
[2:38:38] 3% escalation plus unlimited
[2:38:42] Capital um reimbursements and you're
[2:38:46] viewing it as more than that
[2:38:50] the only thing at this point I'm viewing
[2:38:52] as more than that is that the verbage
[2:38:54] should be greater than for uh Ami
[2:38:58] schedule or
[2:39:00] 3% we're also you were also mentioning
[2:39:02] like well we're doing better because uh
[2:39:05] you know we we're not at 2% I'm talking
[2:39:08] about not going backwards like that
[2:39:10] right so I agre I agree 3% is fair yeah
[2:39:14] the only difference right now is that
[2:39:16] I'm talking about the greater of you're
[2:39:18] you're all of the things that we're
[2:39:21] offering that is better than everybody
[2:39:23] else which is great but I'm also saying
[2:39:28] that greater than is where we should be
[2:39:31] for the I'm factoring in the I'm
[2:39:33] factoring in the complexity and
[2:39:34] uncertainty of the
[2:39:36] Ami sure as as the
[2:39:39] preferred formula is just eliminating
[2:39:42] that element of the of the
[2:39:45] calculation and do you have thoughts on
[2:39:48] yeah I'm kind of with you
[2:39:50] you know this is that's what brought us
[2:39:51] into this this mess anyways is the Ami
[2:39:54] chart so even if we made it Greater and
[2:39:57] it changes you know it we'll might be
[2:40:00] right back at this you know I know he's
[2:40:04] you know things are going higher and but
[2:40:07] I just like to get rid of the Ami chart
[2:40:09] I think that caused the problems to
[2:40:11] begin with you know yeah we're using it
[2:40:14] to get people into units Tom said it's
[2:40:18] used for that but maybe it's just it's
[2:40:21] 3% that's what you make and then they
[2:40:23] know what they make and they're not
[2:40:25] looking at the Ami chart of and it's
[2:40:28] going up and down okay but wait a sec
[2:40:30] Dan if I could yeah doesn't that mean
[2:40:34] that if you have done nothing to your
[2:40:36] unit and you're selling for only 3% 10
[2:40:39] years later doesn't that mean that the
[2:40:42] next buyer coming in is buying at 120%
[2:40:45] instead of 140 as it was before
[2:40:51] I don't know the I I understand what
[2:40:56] what you I think I understand what
[2:40:57] you're trying to express Andy is that
[2:40:59] the price can vary and and the the
[2:41:03] resale price could vary and equal
[2:41:07] something that someone would look at the
[2:41:09] table and say well this is hitting a
[2:41:11] different Ami but the unit itself has a
[2:41:15] designated
[2:41:17] Ami it's and uh somebody has to qualify
[2:41:20] at that Ami it it it doesn't necessarily
[2:41:23] have anything to do with the resale
[2:41:27] price so the new people coming in even
[2:41:31] if they're going to buy it at say it's
[2:41:34] 160% Ami unit and if they're going to
[2:41:36] buy it at a value of a
[2:41:40] 120% Ami unit they still have to be
[2:41:44] approved at 160 it would more normally
[2:41:48] go the other way where
[2:41:50] a unit might be priced because of the 3%
[2:41:55] escalator equal to a 160 unit but the
[2:41:59] unit is designated and was originally
[2:42:01] designated 120% unit they're going to
[2:42:05] have to qualify at 120% to buy that
[2:42:10] unit that's not that like the diversity
[2:42:13] of Ami levels especially in peak one in
[2:42:16] particular was based on you know there
[2:42:19] the same house but but the diversity is
[2:42:22] the buyer not the
[2:42:24] price the diversity is is achieved
[2:42:28] because of the designation of the unit
[2:42:30] and what that buyer has to qualify
[2:42:33] at right but what I'm saying is now
[2:42:36] you're changing the Ami value of the
[2:42:40] entire neighborhood no no not at
[2:42:43] all all that all that's changing is the
[2:42:46] resale price
[2:42:49] so okay so in other words a 160% Ami
[2:42:54] unit you uh to come which is a
[2:42:57] qualification designation and you still
[2:43:00] have to qualify for 160% Ami unit but
[2:43:03] you're purchasing it for 120% Ami
[2:43:08] value that that is possible yes but
[2:43:11] usually it's the other way around where
[2:43:14] your purchase price equals something on
[2:43:17] the chart that's higher than the Ami
[2:43:20] designated for that
[2:43:21] unit that's what's happening more
[2:43:27] often and does that not lean towards
[2:43:31] going greater than as opposed to less
[2:43:33] than or as no it actually it actually
[2:43:35] supports the other
[2:43:37] argument well I think it then it depends
[2:43:39] on what your priorities are yeah yeah it
[2:43:41] does it depends on you know that's
[2:43:44] that's why
[2:43:45] affordability is is that nebulous thing
[2:43:48] of a affordability is something that's
[2:43:50] hard to pin
[2:43:54] down sure and we maybe we need to also
[2:43:58] Define what it is that's important to us
[2:44:01] as a
[2:44:04] council yeah this is a tricky this is a
[2:44:07] tricky one I'm not saying it's easy
[2:44:11] yeah I'll say to you know as as Daniel
[2:44:14] as Dan said that this is kind of what
[2:44:17] started this whole discussion
[2:44:19] you know I've heard from a lot of the
[2:44:22] peak1 constituency Court leing the
[2:44:25] HOA
[2:44:27] letter if I was if we were going to End
[2:44:30] discussion right now based on everything
[2:44:33] that both you two have said that Tom
[2:44:35] added in and that Andy is added in based
[2:44:39] on where we're at this conversation and
[2:44:41] what I've heard from the constituency I
[2:44:43] would say keep the language as
[2:44:45] greater the Ami in the calculation so
[2:44:48] that's where I'm right now for those are
[2:44:51] reasons but I see all the reasons for
[2:44:54] decisions so right now we don't have
[2:44:57] consensus should we move on or go to
[2:45:01] back to this at another meeting or how
[2:45:03] do you want
[2:45:05] 528 yeah I think we have our other two
[2:45:08] Council people out there well since
[2:45:09] we're also going to carry on another
[2:45:12] discussion why not add to that can all
[2:45:16] revisit can you or you that tell us what
[2:45:20] happens if we are two to two on
[2:45:22] something think motion
[2:45:26] failed
[2:45:28] but so it stays so the document stays
[2:45:31] the way it is so the document would stay
[2:45:33] the way it is it would stay the way it
[2:45:36] is as
[2:45:42] lesser
[2:45:45] yes yes I didn't hear that it and
[2:45:50] requires three of the four um to make a
[2:45:53] change to the
[2:45:55] Covenant
[2:45:57] so it stays the way it is is what you're
[2:46:01] saying yes it requires a majority vote
[2:46:03] to change
[2:46:08] it even if we're changing everything
[2:46:11] else and
[2:46:13] uh um and we're we're we're gonna put
[2:46:16] forward a new covenant
[2:46:20] uhy are you asking are you asking we
[2:46:23] move forward would only that stay the
[2:46:26] same the lesser than or would the whole
[2:46:29] thing get thrown out it depends on the
[2:46:32] motion made okay right you'll be
[2:46:34] presented with a document y you can
[2:46:37] accept all of it you can accept none of
[2:46:39] it you can accept parts of it you can
[2:46:41] change it so you know to the extent
[2:46:44] there's a motion to accept it all and it
[2:46:46] fails we I guess we move on but
[2:46:49] at at this point you're not voting so
[2:46:52] all you have is a a lack of consense
[2:46:56] consensus because you're too do to
[2:47:01] change that
[2:47:02] portion but if we get to the vote but
[2:47:05] then you're G to be voting on the whole
[2:47:08] thing that's why they gave you yeah yeah
[2:47:11] that that's that's
[2:47:13] different uh you know with that if we
[2:47:17] have to move on we should move on but I
[2:47:19] feel like this needs to be discussed
[2:47:21] further uh and we need more here before
[2:47:26] we just decide that H it's 2 two and
[2:47:28] we'll keep it we'll keep the the writing
[2:47:30] out of
[2:47:32] there not we're not done with this well
[2:47:36] no I feel like we were at the point
[2:47:41] before where we were talking greater
[2:47:43] than and it hasn't even and it's now not
[2:47:45] in there at all you know and so I feel
[2:47:48] like there's
[2:47:49] actually your your consensus statement
[2:47:51] last meeting and we've gone back and
[2:47:54] listened to the recording you were at a
[2:47:57] consensus of 3% and Andy you were in the
[2:48:00] minority that's what we've put that's
[2:48:02] what staff wrote up but we understand at
[2:48:05] this point you're not at
[2:48:08] consensus
[2:48:10] I so are we gonna are we are gonna are
[2:48:13] we G to talk about this more or no uh as
[2:48:17] far as I think that there's enough
[2:48:21] there's still and I won't do we're not
[2:48:23] GNA go through this but just to show you
[2:48:24] there's still questions on here we need
[2:48:26] it answer tonight and since we ran out
[2:48:28] of time um I think we're just GNA have
[2:48:30] to have this same item same discussion I
[2:48:34] can add the information requested be
[2:48:37] brought up about the locations but I
[2:48:39] think we're going to have to return
[2:48:42] again including this
[2:48:43] topic okay nobody said it was going to
[2:48:47] be easy no I think we keep talking until
[2:48:50] we get it done and I would suggest the
[2:48:53] term consensus means all four of us
[2:48:55] agree correct term majority means that
[2:48:59] three of us agree and it goes forward so
[2:49:02] we're going for our goal is majority we
[2:49:05] hope for consensus because that is the
[2:49:08] better way um good call majority is
[2:49:12] where we need to be okay let's take a
[2:49:15] couple minute break convene the whole
[2:49:17] Council and move to the next item so we
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[2:56:21] show hi everybody thanks for the earlier
[2:56:25] conversation and we're going to move on
[2:56:27] to our second agenda tonight uh which is
[2:56:30] going to be parklet and commercial use
[2:56:32] of town property discussion with that it
[2:56:35] looks like we have Vanessa and
[2:56:38] Chris and
[2:56:41] Diane she's here for
[2:56:46] support um I'm going talk a little bit
[2:56:49] about the background park because I've
[2:56:52] been here since
[2:56:54] beginning
[2:56:58] parness and then this we'll talk a
[2:57:01] little bit about analysis regarding the
[2:57:03] challenges some of the successes and
[2:57:06] then also some
[2:57:07] scenarios as well as that regarding use
[2:57:12] of not only cets but of um it's really a
[2:57:16] use of to
[2:57:18] purposes
[2:57:20] fers this memo we worked on for quite a
[2:57:23] long time and something just happened
[2:57:25] and we realized yesterday that it was
[2:57:27] not packet
[2:57:29] so hopefully you have had a chance to
[2:57:31] look at it so we may dive just a little
[2:57:34] bit deeper than would
[2:57:37] normally that all right so the parket
[2:57:41] journey actually
[2:57:52] still beginning began in
[2:57:55] 2018 um there was um an idea to build a
[2:57:59] parklet just to give it a try and it was
[2:58:03] um it was deployed for one weekend in
[2:58:06] front of
[2:58:07] Rocky and um it was an interest like it
[2:58:11] was pretty cool it was like a beautiful
[2:58:13] day and people were sitting out there
[2:58:15] enjoying coffee so when um
[2:58:18] 2020 rolled around and you may remember
[2:58:21] that there was a pandemic in 2020 it
[2:58:23] changed how we did Commerce it does it
[2:58:26] is a remarkably long time ago almost
[2:58:28] five years at this point um the town was
[2:58:31] looking for ways to make sure that
[2:58:33] businesses could take business outside
[2:58:36] um to places where they were safer and
[2:58:39] part of that was standing up a prominade
[2:58:41] very quickly but then Council started
[2:58:43] thinking about hey what do we do in the
[2:58:46] winter um how do we also delineate some
[2:58:50] spaces a little bit more for liquor
[2:58:52] licenses we're seeing some of the things
[2:58:54] that are not looking as good um and we
[2:58:57] want to make sure that we make uh we
[2:58:59] honor the character of Main Street so in
[2:59:02] August 2020 um the town received a re
[2:59:06] Street Grant from SE do in 2000 um there
[2:59:09] was a matching component to that and
[2:59:11] Public Works busily got to work building
[2:59:14] pandemics um building excuse me
[2:59:18] yeah like the moment I bring up
[2:59:20] pandemics like nothing else I can think
[2:59:22] about every once in a while I forget
[2:59:24] that that actually happened in 2020 so
[2:59:26] the first 20 were um deployed that fall
[2:59:30] and uh people really enjoyed them um
[2:59:33] they came back in 2021 along with the
[2:59:35] prominade again defining liquor
[2:59:38] licensing Bas a little bit more and then
[2:59:40] Council decided for 2022 not to do a
[2:59:43] prominade um and then in 2023 we had
[2:59:45] pretty significant Outreach to uh
[2:59:48] businesses but also to the community and
[2:59:50] what businesses said is hey we still
[2:59:52] don't want a prominant but we want
[2:59:54] parklets and so parklets were deployed
[2:59:57] again in 2023 and
[2:59:59] 2024 um 2022 first year that any fees
[3:00:02] were charged and then
[3:00:05] um fall 2023 the decision was made to no
[3:00:09] longer deploy them in the winter what
[3:00:10] what's happening is there the norm was
[3:00:13] changing again and people were moving
[3:00:15] more inside and people weren't necessar
[3:00:17] neily up for having expanded space
[3:00:20] harder to get employees um and also not
[3:00:23] that fun to clean off a parklet every
[3:00:26] morning when there's a lot of snow and
[3:00:27] so Town saw that that that was no longer
[3:00:30] a need so here we are in 2020 thinking
[3:00:34] about how do we move
[3:00:36] forward
[3:00:38] Chris so use history it went from 20
[3:00:41] Park parlitz in 2020 um really the
[3:00:44] height 54 in 2021 to 39 Park clits right
[3:00:47] now I think the thing that's notable and
[3:00:50] like should I look at history of how
[3:00:51] they've been used all along no I think
[3:00:53] it's it's at this point it's shaking out
[3:00:55] the businesses who want to use it and so
[3:00:58] out of the 19 businesses that have Park
[3:01:00] list in 2024 11 were restaurants bars
[3:01:03] six were retail and then two were
[3:01:06] primarily service providers um like a
[3:01:08] real estate office they put nice chair
[3:01:11] um so that is how it breaks down and I
[3:01:14] think that's going to be really relevant
[3:01:16] to the discussion later I also included
[3:01:18] a bunch of photography of um parklets in
[3:01:21] here and the prominade the middle
[3:01:23] photography is the prominade I thought
[3:01:25] we really should think about that we we
[3:01:27] did in 2021 have a prominade with a lot
[3:01:31] of parklets on it um and then the
[3:01:34] picture below is actually butter horn U
[3:01:36] Bakery uh which deploys parklets with a
[3:01:39] really a massive amount of success wow
[3:01:42] do they expand their seating um but they
[3:01:45] also do something else that will come up
[3:01:46] later when talks a little bit about the
[3:01:49] challenges around this and that is
[3:01:51] you'll see so bottom picture you'll see
[3:01:55] um there's a a a server station um right
[3:01:59] by the lamp post and then there's more
[3:02:01] additional seating to the left on the
[3:02:04] sidewalk and we got we saw some really
[3:02:07] interesting stuff in terms of starting
[3:02:09] to squeeze people's access um to
[3:02:12] sidewalks and being able to pass through
[3:02:13] so we wanted to make sure we put that
[3:02:15] picture in there
[3:02:18] parket fees went from no fees to $1 per
[3:02:21] square foot to $150 per square foot to
[3:02:24] $3 per square foot and as talk about
[3:02:27] later we're still not at the point where
[3:02:29] we're
[3:02:30] covering we're covering our expenses for
[3:02:34] parklets it takes a lot of Labor um to
[3:02:37] put the parklets out we close Main
[3:02:38] Street for much of day on the front end
[3:02:41] and on the back end and there's a fair
[3:02:44] amount of Maintenance now that they're
[3:02:45] almost 5 years old that's required for
[3:02:48] parket and we did something new this
[3:02:50] year too after talking to Public Works
[3:02:51] what we saw is that it was a lot of work
[3:02:53] to put up lighting streight lights and
[3:02:56] not everybody necessarily wanted them or
[3:02:58] really was using them so they their
[3:03:00] businesses weren't open in the summer
[3:03:02] when it was dark out and they needed
[3:03:03] lighting so um they're like okay how
[3:03:06] much does it cost us to put these up and
[3:03:08] um $75 is what we landed on um per
[3:03:11] parklet and so only the businesses that
[3:03:14] were going to be utilizing them in the
[3:03:16] evening for Commerce
[3:03:18] lighting so just working on the
[3:03:20] resources around that too and we had a
[3:03:22] fair amount of calls over the course of
[3:03:24] the summer um for a few businesses that
[3:03:26] were like hey my spring lights went out
[3:03:28] and Public Works um was great and they
[3:03:31] went out and fixed them but it's another
[3:03:32] component they aren't just put out there
[3:03:34] and we call it good more stuff that
[3:03:37] needs to
[3:03:39] happen Vanessa um I'm going to go
[3:03:42] through some of the successes and then
[3:03:44] challenges we've had with parklets um
[3:03:47] and then go through a few different
[3:03:49] scenarios going forward and we have a
[3:03:51] list of questions at the end to uh to
[3:03:53] ask you through your input um stop me
[3:03:55] throughout if you have any questions
[3:03:57] talk more these items um kind of to give
[3:04:00] a summary of the successes that we've
[3:04:02] seen over the last uh than five years AP
[3:04:05] parlitz it's been a unique program which
[3:04:07] has created distinct characters of
[3:04:09] Frisco's Main Street Frisco is the only
[3:04:12] municipality in the area that has a
[3:04:15] program like this um parklets um it's
[3:04:18] increased business capacity in the busy
[3:04:20] summer months along Main Street it's
[3:04:22] created a vibrant and welcoming
[3:04:24] atmosphere encourages Community
[3:04:26] Connection supports Commerce um we're go
[3:04:30] through the the challenges here in a
[3:04:31] minute but as far as major issues or
[3:04:34] unexpected issues we've really had not
[3:04:36] many of those over its Five Seasons and
[3:04:38] it's run fairly well and then it's
[3:04:41] evolved with Community needs some
[3:04:43] examples of these are adding different
[3:04:45] railings uh installing them on site
[3:04:48] trees you can see in the picture where
[3:04:50] we've had murals on areas that are
[3:04:52] difficult Park parking areas between
[3:04:54] them so we've seen some changes over the
[3:05:00] years some of the challenges we've had
[3:05:03] first kind of an obvious one is I we
[3:05:05] take up parking spaces difficult to give
[3:05:07] an exact count on these because it
[3:05:09] depends if they're in the parallel
[3:05:10] spaces the head in spaces if they're
[3:05:13] right against each other have little
[3:05:14] spaces between them depending on the
[3:05:16] businesses but roughly it's about a one:
[3:05:19] one um parking spaces that you're losing
[3:05:21] for how many parkes we put out in a
[3:05:24] year uh then there's the maintenance
[3:05:26] needs which we started discussing so far
[3:05:29] what we're seeing is that the expenses
[3:05:31] exceed the revenues we're bringing in
[3:05:33] from it uh roughly $199,000 a year that
[3:05:37] number includes both our hard cost you
[3:05:39] know five years old they're stored
[3:05:41] outside in the winter they don't have a
[3:05:43] long lifespan so we're having to rebuild
[3:05:45] a lot of these so we have the heart
[3:05:47] Direct material cost of them and then we
[3:05:49] have the labor and Equipment cost for
[3:05:52] our staff to install them to maintain
[3:05:54] them throughout the summer to store them
[3:05:56] and then rebuild them winter and the
[3:05:59] spring and then kind of this third point
[3:06:01] is somewhat of an existing issue we have
[3:06:03] on Main Street but it's worsened um in
[3:06:05] these parklet areas and that is um kind
[3:06:09] of uh issues along the sidewalks um
[3:06:13] either between people putting seating
[3:06:16] signage merchandise
[3:06:19] they're at the edge of the sidewalk and
[3:06:20] the sidewalk kind of expanding Beyond
[3:06:22] those parklets you see that in some
[3:06:24] areas where businesses don't have
[3:06:25] parlets but it's little more prominent
[3:06:28] where there already is one that that
[3:06:29] space starts expanding and then it
[3:06:31] encroaches into the sidewalk you get
[3:06:33] pinch points areas that you might have
[3:06:37] difficulty where we're not Eda access or
[3:06:40] other maintenance
[3:06:43] issues then this next one again is is
[3:06:46] somewhat of an existing conflict that
[3:06:47] gets worsened um Main Street especially
[3:06:50] in the summer it's very busy between
[3:06:52] Vehicles pedestrians parking and then
[3:06:54] when we add parklets it's adding another
[3:06:57] use kind of right near this vehicle and
[3:06:59] parking
[3:07:00] space parking and pedestrians and
[3:07:03] vehicles it's you kind of all in one
[3:07:04] zone there then we have the storage of
[3:07:07] parklets um currently we store them in
[3:07:10] the winter we remove them in the PA we
[3:07:12] store them up at our Public Works Yard
[3:07:14] up at the
[3:07:15] P we have space where we store them but
[3:07:17] you know it's valuable storage area and
[3:07:19] it does does take up space to to keep
[3:07:21] those through the win the spring and
[3:07:24] then this last point is some feedback
[3:07:26] that we've gotten um from the community
[3:07:29] of some people stating that either they
[3:07:31] appear messy or junky or that some of
[3:07:33] them are passive use that aren't
[3:07:36] necessarily a restaurant so you know
[3:07:38] they sit BAC in and empty most of the
[3:07:39] time and that doesn't necessarily
[3:07:41] outweigh the Value Parking
[3:07:49] so you we're discussing more than just
[3:07:51] parklets here we want to discuss all
[3:07:54] commercial use of right away within the
[3:07:56] town so here's an example at Rebel
[3:07:58] Sports this summer this is one where
[3:08:00] we've licensed and approved it so very
[3:08:02] similar process to having a parklet they
[3:08:04] just don't actually use a
[3:08:07] parlet off this area put bicycles out
[3:08:10] there all a use on that through the
[3:08:13] license agreement to the parets and it's
[3:08:16] been exceptionally Ben because um Rebel
[3:08:19] Sports has certainly increased their um
[3:08:23] their amount of bikes that they have
[3:08:25] available for rent but they've always
[3:08:27] been
[3:08:28] using since I've seen it been using Town
[3:08:31] property Commerce because they haven't
[3:08:33] had another place to put their rental
[3:08:35] biks and so this has moved it off of
[3:08:38] impeding the sidewalk um onto another
[3:08:41] space and I would say I also see in the
[3:08:44] summer that people are spending a lot of
[3:08:46] time going across the sidewalk
[3:08:48] occasionally standing there or a lot of
[3:08:50] times standing there with their bikes um
[3:08:53] there's still some stuff that happens
[3:08:55] that is challenging but it certainly
[3:08:58] feels a lot better than blocking
[3:09:01] regularly and permanently or at least
[3:09:04] through the summer blocking the sidewalk
[3:09:06] with bikes having in this
[3:09:12] area this a picture is an example of an
[3:09:15] area where we have an uh normal
[3:09:17] unlicensed use of town property so we
[3:09:20] have been seeing some of these in areas
[3:09:22] with parklets and without parklets so
[3:09:24] here's wor some seating that's not
[3:09:27] necessarily directly in the sidewalk but
[3:09:29] it's right at the edge of the sidewalk
[3:09:30] it's right near
[3:09:32] parking kind of per our town code we
[3:09:34] state that any obstructions or
[3:09:36] improvements in the right way need to be
[3:09:38] licensed or permitted um and so you've
[3:09:41] see more examples whether it's seating
[3:09:44] whether it's
[3:09:44] signage other items that we get placed
[3:09:48] in the right way by
[3:09:50] businesses either haven't been licensing
[3:09:52] it or we haven't necessarily been
[3:09:54] enforcing
[3:09:58] it so there's a few scenarios here um
[3:10:02] you know these are kind of coming now
[3:10:03] for two reasons one is you know we
[3:10:05] talking about we've got some feedback of
[3:10:07] you know positive and negative now that
[3:10:10] the parklets are about five years old
[3:10:11] we're having to do heavier maintenance
[3:10:13] to them we're having to rebuild a lot of
[3:10:14] them we're budgeting more dollars each
[3:10:16] year to kind do a full reconstruction of
[3:10:19] several of these so figured it's time to
[3:10:22] kind of look at the program and
[3:10:23] determine if we want to keep going as we
[3:10:26] have been or making any changes to it so
[3:10:28] kind of as outline of packet we we show
[3:10:30] four options so option one would be
[3:10:34] continuing this program with no change
[3:10:36] would be the same program of Public
[3:10:37] Works tourism in the winter we charge a
[3:10:40] fee we license them install them early
[3:10:44] summer you take them away in October
[3:10:47] keep doing that program allow any
[3:10:49] business on Main Street or site streets
[3:10:51] of Jason to to install them and can I
[3:10:54] add something before so um it would be a
[3:10:57] pretty heavy lift to ask Public Works to
[3:11:00] also administer the program um it's a
[3:11:03] lot so uh our our department actually
[3:11:06] does it Jessica dust do has taken the
[3:11:08] lead on that so we text we email we call
[3:11:13] um to get the license agree first to get
[3:11:16] um businesses who may be interested to
[3:11:18] find out whether or not they're going to
[3:11:20] um participate in the parklet program
[3:11:22] but then also to get a license agreement
[3:11:24] um to get the fees and then also
[3:11:28] Certificate of Insurance and then we
[3:11:30] work with um Finance depend out make
[3:11:33] sure that their business licenses
[3:11:35] current we work with the clerk's office
[3:11:37] to make sure um that we understand
[3:11:40] whether or not we planning to extend
[3:11:41] their liquor license on it we work with
[3:11:44] Community Development to make sure that
[3:11:46] they have no outstanding
[3:11:47] um building permit or other issues so we
[3:11:51] we administer that part of the program
[3:11:54] and then provide the map to with the
[3:11:56] help of Community Development um to
[3:11:58] Public Works and Public Works
[3:12:01] Lance thank
[3:12:03] you um and then we have option two here
[3:12:05] so this would be either adding use
[3:12:07] restrictions and or increasing fees so
[3:12:10] use restrictions would look like you
[3:12:12] know one example would
[3:12:14] be arlets would only be permitted to say
[3:12:17] restaurants or bars and then some of
[3:12:18] those other uses showing earlier
[3:12:21] wouldn't be allowed that's just one
[3:12:22] example kind a use restriction the idea
[3:12:25] if that were pursued would be reduce the
[3:12:28] number of
[3:12:30] parklets could help reduce the amount of
[3:12:32] kind of those inactivated parklets that
[3:12:35] that are out there and taking up parking
[3:12:36] but really not use much the summer uh
[3:12:39] kind of the other alternative would be
[3:12:41] increasing fees um this could have a
[3:12:43] similar effect you know we did a a fe
[3:12:46] increases last year didn't see L
[3:12:50] production look at larger fee increases
[3:12:54] to kind of reduce some of those um
[3:12:57] inactivated unused ones as well as to
[3:12:59] kind of help um at least reduce the
[3:13:02] deficit that we seeing what it's costing
[3:13:04] the Town versus
[3:13:06] what and then kind of one other item
[3:13:09] that was mentioned in the memo is that
[3:13:11] currently the sanitation district is
[3:13:13] looking if we continue the program they
[3:13:15] would charge their own fees on top of
[3:13:17] our fees they have you know a new
[3:13:20] restaurant gets constructed tap fees
[3:13:23] that they charge based on the seating
[3:13:24] capacity or the square footage of the
[3:13:26] building what they're seeing is this is
[3:13:28] creating a semi-permanent increase in
[3:13:31] these businesses they're increasing the
[3:13:34] water and sewer usage but they didn't
[3:13:36] pay for that additional capacity so
[3:13:38] they're looking at something that since
[3:13:40] these still aren't kind of trly
[3:13:41] permanent um they're looking at
[3:13:44] something that would be kind of an
[3:13:45] annual each year would kind of just be
[3:13:48] percentage wouldn't be that full amount
[3:13:49] of that top
[3:13:51] fee they're looking at doing that the
[3:13:53] town could also look at doing kind of a
[3:13:55] similar model whether we roll that into
[3:13:57] our fees or kind of charge a separate Fe
[3:13:59] with it where we're kind of charging a
[3:14:01] kind of an annual water tap Fe
[3:14:03] essentially for this additional capacity
[3:14:07] toist and then option three would be a
[3:14:10] business supply Park Li program so this
[3:14:13] would look like Public Works would get
[3:14:16] rid of all parklets we wouldn't Supply
[3:14:18] maintain store any of the parklets and
[3:14:20] this option we would just regulate
[3:14:22] businesses um to install and maintain
[3:14:25] their own so they would um build or
[3:14:28] recure their own they would put them out
[3:14:30] they would have to store them that we
[3:14:31] would have permits that you know could
[3:14:33] put restrictions on size and drainage
[3:14:36] and different items like that um you
[3:14:39] know if we pursued option three we
[3:14:41] believe this would probably reduce the
[3:14:43] amount of parklets quite a bit just due
[3:14:44] to the cost of creating them to find
[3:14:47] Space to store them to install
[3:14:50] them then we have option four so option
[3:14:54] four is that would just be eliminating
[3:14:56] the parkl
[3:14:58] program these were kind of started
[3:15:01] around the pandemic so the option four
[3:15:03] would just kind of be going back to a
[3:15:05] pre- pandemic condition right away which
[3:15:08] just be used for parking Vehicles
[3:15:11] Mobility would have commercial uses in
[3:15:15] option
[3:15:20] so now we have um list of questions for
[3:15:23] you B part the program and based on
[3:15:26] commercial use in the right away so I
[3:15:28] guess the first question is is Council
[3:15:30] support of use of town property
[3:15:33] for this would be looking generally
[3:15:36] arlit some of those examples
[3:15:42] like are we just going down the list
[3:15:49] list Chris I was going to take your four
[3:15:50] questions but now that seems to have
[3:15:52] Mort into approximately six or eight
[3:15:54] questions I can run through them all if
[3:15:56] you want right now I guess the first if
[3:15:58] you say no to
[3:16:04] the
[3:16:07] so way I mean as anyone please Andy
[3:16:12] thanks yeah yeah
[3:16:15] uh okay okay so
[3:16:21] um so yes this was a pandemic thing and
[3:16:24] yes it was a prominade uh situation and
[3:16:28] then it was beyond the prominade
[3:16:29] situation I gotta say that this is an
[3:16:33] Incredible use of
[3:16:35] space uh it activates our Main Street uh
[3:16:40] you know before you take away all the
[3:16:42] parklets where is there anywhere for
[3:16:45] anyone to sit on Main Street
[3:16:47] other than at the coffee shop right like
[3:16:50] this is an activation of space uh
[3:16:54] partially uh which partially should be
[3:16:57] taken on by the town but uh you know
[3:17:00] these things cost money and people are
[3:17:03] making money with these and so we should
[3:17:06] charge accordingly for them whatever it
[3:17:09] costs should go onto the businesses if
[3:17:12] you want a parklet then you got to pay
[3:17:14] the cost for the parklet you know that
[3:17:17] that's you know obviously for somebody
[3:17:19] like the butter horn no skin off their
[3:17:21] back for somebody like uh I don't know
[3:17:25] the bookstore you know maybe that costs
[3:17:28] a little more but it activates a great
[3:17:31] space uh for the bookstore as well
[3:17:35] um uh you know I I think no way do you
[3:17:39] put this in the hands of businesses as
[3:17:41] far as to provide their own talk about
[3:17:44] junkie you'll end up with 15 different
[3:17:47] crappy parklets all over town uh we
[3:17:50] definitely don't need to light them
[3:17:52] because we have nothing going on at
[3:17:54] night nor do we want uh uh light
[3:17:58] pollution going on uh you know
[3:18:00] throughout the night is our new
[3:18:02] direction right uh so I think can I cut
[3:18:06] cut in I'm hearing you support the use
[3:18:08] of the Town use of property for whether
[3:18:12] it be commercial use or parket is that
[3:18:15] correct yes if you want me to end there
[3:18:16] I will otherwise I'll keep going I think
[3:18:20] we'll have more opportunity right um
[3:18:22] anyone else does anyone else not support
[3:18:26] the use of town right away and or
[3:18:30] parklet usage on Main
[3:18:33] Street I don't you don't support it I
[3:18:36] don't okay do I should I give a reason
[3:18:39] why sure um I think there's a lot of
[3:18:42] reasons why I think it makes Main Street
[3:18:44] more dangerous
[3:18:47] um I'm concerned about ADA access and
[3:18:50] the safety of people moving through our
[3:18:53] town in a safe way
[3:18:56] um I mean I could go on and on but you
[3:18:59] know there are places in town there's
[3:19:02] several restaurants that already have
[3:19:04] patios the Uptown has a rooft deck there
[3:19:07] are places in our community that people
[3:19:09] can sit outside and eat um Fifth Avenue
[3:19:12] has a patio balis and and bread and salt
[3:19:16] patio as a to me that's like going into
[3:19:18] a capitalist mindset that's a business
[3:19:21] advantage that people pay a mortgage for
[3:19:23] or they're paying rent to have these
[3:19:26] amenities for their business um and I I
[3:19:31] think that going back to just a pre
[3:19:33] pandemic Main Street you know we have
[3:19:36] parking
[3:19:37] issues um somebody got a parking ticket
[3:19:41] because the sign for three-hour parking
[3:19:44] was covered up by a parklet and all the
[3:19:46] stuff on the parklet so the people
[3:19:48] couldn't even see the signage for
[3:19:50] parking and so they got a ticket I think
[3:19:53] that all got resolved but I think it man
[3:19:56] just going down Main Street it is
[3:19:58] dangerous like I I cannot I will not
[3:20:01] take my kids down Main Street on a bike
[3:20:04] there's no way and so for me it almost
[3:20:07] limits my use of taking my family to
[3:20:11] Main Street like I have to rely on side
[3:20:13] streets um if we're going to be on a
[3:20:16] bike
[3:20:17] yeah thanks for the inro sorry you have
[3:20:20] to go down the side street well I mean
[3:20:23] at least we have one but you know what
[3:20:24] I'm saying I do I do anyone
[3:20:27] else I'm on the BS um I'm adding to as
[3:20:32] we consider the conversation that for
[3:20:35] the next three
[3:20:38] years I70 interchange is going to be
[3:20:40] under construction which is going to
[3:20:43] create traffic flow differences and also
[3:20:47] whenever it is that we decide we're
[3:20:49] doing Granite it's going to create
[3:20:51] traffic flow difference so I'm just
[3:20:52] adding to the complexity of the
[3:20:53] conversation yeah I love the activation
[3:20:56] of the street it's well used which leads
[3:20:59] to it being
[3:21:01] popular but it's as we start talking
[3:21:04] about investing real dollars to rebuild
[3:21:06] what we got effectively for free five
[3:21:09] years
[3:21:09] ago it's just complicated I'm not sure
[3:21:12] where I
[3:21:15] support all Bo I have any more but we'll
[3:21:18] wait till things that's perfect yeah I'm
[3:21:20] supportive and obviously we'll dig in as
[3:21:23] we go down the question
[3:21:27] to yeah next question should parkes be
[3:21:29] made available for Commerce if so should
[3:21:32] one of the alternative options that we
[3:21:34] just discussed or different option that
[3:21:36] wasn't listed replace the
[3:21:44] current yes go
[3:21:48] back here if there's any other ideas
[3:21:52] that you
[3:21:53] have discuss this could I maybe help
[3:21:56] with this is anyone on option
[3:21:59] one or we do need to make a change no
[3:22:02] change is not where we want to live is
[3:22:03] that right I'm just asking the cool
[3:22:06] option four is that where we're at at
[3:22:09] least for the majority of the
[3:22:12] group no just asking so then we're back
[3:22:15] to Chris
[3:22:17] helpful two or
[3:22:22] three not three cool thanks
[3:22:25] Andy I I agree with not three I yeah so
[3:22:29] I think we're looking at
[3:22:31] two option
[3:22:33] two let's thr some stuff
[3:22:35] out so let's th are we three then are we
[3:22:39] feeling good sorry two
[3:22:43] two okay so I think B
[3:22:47] easiest way one of the easiest questions
[3:22:50] here let's go back to the pros and
[3:22:52] cons the parket and
[3:22:56] then accentuate the pr and
[3:23:02] eliminate so going back to the pros here
[3:23:05] we have the increased business
[3:23:07] capacity the unique experience we have
[3:23:10] the uniform look of all the pars being
[3:23:13] the same hybrid the atmosphere we're
[3:23:16] just connections Commerce do major
[3:23:20] issues
[3:23:25] and you know the increased business
[3:23:28] capacity
[3:23:31] is it's not there because people want to
[3:23:34] sit outside so the restaurant's empty
[3:23:38] but everybody wants to sit out you know
[3:23:40] it's a beautiful day people well we want
[3:23:41] to S out we don't have a see out there
[3:23:43] okay we're going somewhere else you know
[3:23:46] so a lot of that that's is my experience
[3:23:48] in the restaurants you know CU people
[3:23:50] want to sit outside could it possibly be
[3:23:53] a little bit different I think it
[3:23:55] depends on the restaurant like butter
[3:23:57] kingdom is an example yeah that's I
[3:24:00] would say you know and I don't know I
[3:24:03] don't know on there's Breakfast you know
[3:24:05] it's I've seen it full
[3:24:07] inside yeah they they probably do F
[3:24:10] their capacity prob okay I think ours
[3:24:13] isn't isn't as much yeah you get people
[3:24:16] in the bar so you'll get people outside
[3:24:19] on the patio and in the bar back of the
[3:24:23] restaurants you know so uh it it does
[3:24:27] increase some
[3:24:29] businesses does it increase like instead
[3:24:32] of capacity could we say Advantage
[3:24:35] increased business
[3:24:37] advantage to make money I mean if you
[3:24:40] choose not to get
[3:24:43] one never mind that was
[3:24:46] and I think that's kind of under
[3:24:47] supports Commerce is that yeah even if
[3:24:49] it's not increasing capacity maybe it is
[3:24:52] increasing Commerce it's a nice
[3:24:55] day you definitely get more for outside
[3:24:59] so yeah is increasing business because
[3:25:02] even before we had the patio I manag
[3:25:07] people
[3:25:09] outside
[3:25:14] so yeah it's a definite
[3:25:17] Advantage uh you know whoever utilizes
[3:25:20] it well you know especially for the
[3:25:23] restaurants you because like you know
[3:25:26] for a real estate agent they're just
[3:25:27] looking to draw people in for them to
[3:25:29] sit for no reason at all and you know
[3:25:32] like there it's hard to say an Roi for a
[3:25:35] real estate uh company as compared to
[3:25:38] the butter horn right the butter horn
[3:25:40] packs those things inside and out all
[3:25:43] summer
[3:25:44] long uh and
[3:25:46] you know that's my two
[3:25:50] cents easier way some changes would be
[3:25:54] increase in fees to cover
[3:25:57] expenses that is there support for that
[3:26:01] has there been a calculation on what the
[3:26:03] true cost on average would be like is it
[3:26:07] going to double that that rate is by
[3:26:10] 10% I mean 14,000 and change versus
[3:26:15] 19,000 and change for 19,000 and change
[3:26:19] are the
[3:26:20] expenses you've said and then
[3:26:22] 14,400 I believe is what the fees were
[3:26:26] year this year in terms of who chose we
[3:26:29] know what that would cost on average per
[3:26:31] park it stayed the same without Chang
[3:26:34] well we're showing the total cost is in
[3:26:36] the it's 30 some thousand we had I think
[3:26:39] 39 parklets last year so we'd be looking
[3:26:42] at closer to less than this but closer
[3:26:44] to $1,000 a parklet on that that so it's
[3:26:47] PR significant changed there is
[3:26:48] precedent of um you I was looking up
[3:26:50] other municipalities and there's ones
[3:26:52] that charge a th000 there's something
[3:26:53] that charge $2,000 for a park l so there
[3:26:56] are other places that charge
[3:26:57] significantly more than we are but it
[3:26:59] would be change I'll be I'll be quick
[3:27:02] with this in my view the town subsidized
[3:27:04] it through Co or through after all that
[3:27:07] stuff and that's fantastic good thing
[3:27:10] town to do now that we're looking at is
[3:27:11] maybe a permanent structure at this
[3:27:13] point I don't see a reason why taxpayers
[3:27:16] to
[3:27:18] subsidize for for the business so I
[3:27:21] would say those fees need to increase
[3:27:24] what the cost is especially given the
[3:27:26] heavy
[3:27:28] bur do we know what the Sans district is
[3:27:32] going to charge they had mentioned
[3:27:34] something based on
[3:27:36] capacity they haven't determined what
[3:27:38] exactly that would be saying some kind
[3:27:42] of I think we discuss
[3:27:46] I was P I guess by Matt in the s's
[3:27:49] district and he was just asking me
[3:27:52] personally and I probably you know I'm
[3:27:54] going to leave out the details of that
[3:27:56] number that he had said they were going
[3:27:59] to charge because you know it was in a
[3:28:01] passing conversation but it was
[3:28:04] significant enough for me to not do it
[3:28:07] um based on that but you know I'm not
[3:28:10] the butter horn so I don't have you know
[3:28:14] I'm not packing my
[3:28:16] so I don't think it would be worth it
[3:28:19] for me to do it um yeah I think that fee
[3:28:22] will be
[3:28:25] significant significant enough to sway
[3:28:28] your mind I guess just a clarifying
[3:28:31] question Chris is when we worked out the
[3:28:34] costs did that factor in person hours of
[3:28:38] install and ex yes that's our person
[3:28:40] labor hours that put some equipment
[3:28:42] hours to it puts all the soft and hard
[3:28:45] cost
[3:28:46] curiosity there but then I'll come back
[3:28:49] to like I can't like we have to cover
[3:28:51] our costs so I I I believe these have to
[3:28:55] have to match whatever we're putting out
[3:28:58] for it and going with what where Martin
[3:29:01] is like
[3:29:02] we right we we have the ability to
[3:29:05] charge fees for services that we're
[3:29:08] providing now we're not covering the
[3:29:11] costs like that I want to cover the
[3:29:14] costs I'll just leave it at that
[3:29:20] that's fair and then you we'd have to
[3:29:22] consider you know higher cost means
[3:29:24] there would end up being less parklets
[3:29:27] and then the cost changes on the
[3:29:30] parklets because we're not having to do
[3:29:33] 30 of them right it's going to end up
[3:29:36] being fewer and and just along of
[3:29:39] Elizabeth's lines you know there are a
[3:29:40] few businesses for sure like say bread
[3:29:44] and salt and Bales you know they pay pay
[3:29:46] for two spaces on Main Street they don't
[3:29:48] love the parklets I I just thought I'd
[3:29:50] throw that out too uh it's not how I
[3:29:52] feel about it but some restaurants are
[3:29:55] definitely benefiting more than others
[3:29:58] that's partially I feel like how you
[3:30:01] utilize what you have at your
[3:30:07] fingertips well I know like outside the
[3:30:10] Fifth Avenue on Main Street they only
[3:30:12] have one they have two or three on the
[3:30:15] side street
[3:30:16] you know one you get one
[3:30:18] table it's
[3:30:20] not can't get many
[3:30:23] more maybe two two tops but usually it's
[3:30:26] taking up six people it's one table for
[3:30:29] six
[3:30:30] people it is one one
[3:30:35] part so I'm hearing these should match
[3:30:37] the cost of the program I think the
[3:30:40] other question should there be use
[3:30:42] restrictions as far as what types of
[3:30:44] businesses um
[3:30:46] per Park
[3:30:49] Florida I would say unfortunately for me
[3:30:53] it's a no
[3:30:54] because I don't think we can pick and
[3:30:57] choose like if we're going to offer
[3:30:59] public property to be licensed by
[3:31:01] business we can't really say you can do
[3:31:04] it but you
[3:31:07] can't I I would I would say oh sorry I
[3:31:10] didn't mean to step on you there
[3:31:12] Elizabeth you keep
[3:31:14] going that's okay
[3:31:17] I with that I I agree in that you know
[3:31:22] you would if you got a if you can let
[3:31:24] anybody do it then everybody should have
[3:31:26] the ability but you can have a standard
[3:31:29] I feel like like especially for retail
[3:31:32] outlets you can have a standard like no
[3:31:35] pallets you know as whatever or no
[3:31:38] whatever you know to if you don't want
[3:31:40] it to look junky you could definitely
[3:31:42] say that it needs to fulfill some sort
[3:31:46] of
[3:31:47] look and it probably shouldn't block
[3:31:51] signage if it's important stuff for
[3:31:57] sure I don't I
[3:32:00] mean everybody should have the
[3:32:02] opportunity to start with and if you
[3:32:04] sell clothing inside your store and you
[3:32:06] put clothing on your parklet that's what
[3:32:08] you sell if you sell shoes and you put
[3:32:10] boxes of shoes on your parket that's
[3:32:12] what you sell I don't I don't have as
[3:32:16] much of a subjective opinion on how
[3:32:18] people are how people are marketing
[3:32:21] their merchandise or their products on
[3:32:24] the parket is something that we can
[3:32:26] enforce it's too
[3:32:29] subjective how do you feel about a stack
[3:32:31] of shoes
[3:32:33] versus pretty
[3:32:35] umbrellas so I I I think if you if you
[3:32:38] have a crappy parklet then you will be
[3:32:41] viewed as a crappy
[3:32:42] St that's that's capitalism
[3:32:46] so that's
[3:32:47] okay I don't want to get into design
[3:32:52] review I would say any except
[3:32:56] for well then that's not
[3:33:00] any I would just say so you do want to
[3:33:02] restrict I do just not real estate off
[3:33:05] um my personal view is was just me I
[3:33:09] like vibrant main streets and
[3:33:12] communities that have very much of food
[3:33:14] and beverage
[3:33:16] focus and not a retail Focus I also
[3:33:20] understand the difficulty in starting to
[3:33:23] pick EG like that
[3:33:26] so I guess at this point but then we do
[3:33:29] we have to include real estate office
[3:33:30] with their two chairs right because they
[3:33:32] got plenty of money to pay for the
[3:33:34] parket um is there an equity issue there
[3:33:38] too with some there a lot going right
[3:33:41] the costs associated with you know some
[3:33:44] smaller shops May
[3:33:47] IFI be there maybe sub sensation on it
[3:33:51] obviously I don't think
[3:33:52] so I guess I would not have any
[3:33:55] restrictions on
[3:33:56] it I at the big picture
[3:34:00] but I'm
[3:34:03] curious resistance to the real estate
[3:34:05] office is if some somebody wants to put
[3:34:07] a living room on Main
[3:34:10] Street Sit down I
[3:34:14] know I don't know
[3:34:16] I just we have we just have too many Bo
[3:34:19] you
[3:34:20] know I'd like to cut them down you know
[3:34:24] could we look at the challenges
[3:34:27] yeah that's a bigger top yeah just kind
[3:34:30] of run back through the challenges we
[3:34:32] have loss of parking spaces we have the
[3:34:34] maintenance needs we talked about having
[3:34:37] the the fees match the
[3:34:39] expenses you know there's this sidewalk
[3:34:42] conflict um them expanding Beyond just
[3:34:44] the park lit so I think we'll talk about
[3:34:46] that in a minute of where it you know
[3:34:47] expands onto kind of the brick paper
[3:34:49] area and then also on the sidewalks
[3:34:52] there's the mixed use conflict that's
[3:34:54] you know you already have kind of
[3:34:55] pedestrians Vehicles parking now you're
[3:34:57] adding
[3:34:59] seating there's the storage of parklets
[3:35:02] take some space Public Works Yard the
[3:35:05] feedback I think we just kind of covered
[3:35:07] this with the uses of you know certain
[3:35:08] ones appearing mess you're junky your
[3:35:12] passing so when we talk about the use of
[3:35:16] sidewalk
[3:35:18] um is there potential for an enforcement
[3:35:21] on that issue I just
[3:35:23] like the access of the sidewalk like is
[3:35:27] there a way to protect
[3:35:29] that yeah so I think
[3:35:32] um go back to the questions here see if
[3:35:35] that's done oh sorry no we'll jump into
[3:35:38] that you know I think one question to
[3:35:41] kind of before that enforcement one is
[3:35:44] does council support report um this
[3:35:47] would be kind of the the second to last
[3:35:50] one the more informal use of town
[3:35:52] property without pars so that would be
[3:35:54] we have Rebel Sports example you know
[3:35:57] there's
[3:35:59] ones sea there areas that
[3:36:03] necessary that would be question and to
[3:36:05] be clear the rebel Sports example is
[3:36:08] what they were doing prior to
[3:36:12] 2021 and so that was using the Seline
[3:36:15] for the fleet um and then I'm thinking
[3:36:19] about like walking through butter horn
[3:36:23] like you it's almost like now you're
[3:36:25] only walking through their restaurant
[3:36:27] and if you're in a
[3:36:29] wheelchair I mean that's an issue the
[3:36:32] question really comes down to this and
[3:36:33] we thought it was important to roll in
[3:36:36] the whole question of first question
[3:36:39] being do you want to use Town property
[3:36:41] for Commerce so okay you do for parklets
[3:36:45] we have an informal use that is
[3:36:47] happening have a licensing agreement we
[3:36:50] don't have fees we don't have insurance
[3:36:53] like that they are just things that are
[3:36:55] happening yeah um and so my question is
[3:36:59] our question is what would you like to
[3:37:01] do with that yeah can can I ask that we
[3:37:04] take this smaller question first short
[3:37:07] if you have parklets you cannot use the
[3:37:09] sidewalk I don't care if you got to
[3:37:10] write if you guys put chalk down this is
[3:37:13] what you get this is what you don't
[3:37:16] because the The Log Jam that's going on
[3:37:20] at whether it's butter horn or Pro that
[3:37:23] they have their times people that are
[3:37:26] using parket are moring into the
[3:37:27] sidewalk and the people who are trying
[3:37:29] to flow down our main street are H what
[3:37:32] about the pap area you based on that
[3:37:35] comment would it be nothing on the
[3:37:36] sidewalks or the papers just the
[3:37:41] parets it's a fair mean it's a good
[3:37:43] question I think the paps
[3:37:45] be honest but I I hear your distinction
[3:37:50] but there just a flow link I'm not sure
[3:37:53] I don't have an answer to that very good
[3:37:54] question but you have to be enforcing
[3:37:58] blow Lane down our
[3:38:00] sidewalks and if it's something we're
[3:38:03] not able to enforce then I I don't know
[3:38:07] if you want to put if you want toig your
[3:38:09] Del Bell and you want to put a table
[3:38:10] behind the lamp post you know the lamp
[3:38:12] posts
[3:38:15] hindrance in the paper
[3:38:18] area I'm not as wrapped up to with you
[3:38:22] though it
[3:38:24] just it expands from there I know
[3:38:27] wherever when you're like like oh just
[3:38:29] the papers and it I mean I included some
[3:38:32] of these pictures so you would see that
[3:38:34] it it does and I just wanted you to if
[3:38:37] you're licensing people and having them
[3:38:40] pay fees for use of town property it's
[3:38:42] not just it's not really the use of aart
[3:38:44] it's the use of town property Hors then
[3:38:47] what is your feeling about
[3:38:50] this do you want to rather than
[3:38:53] inforcement is this something that you
[3:38:55] would want to license and then we can
[3:38:58] try to figure out how much of that
[3:39:00] sidewalk someone could take up with
[3:39:02] tables or do we
[3:39:04] say year round no more use of
[3:39:07] sidewalks we already have for clear so I
[3:39:11] understand it correct Vanessa is we have
[3:39:14] agreement and license in fees for Rebel
[3:39:16] Sports currently Absolut for for their
[3:39:19] use of the street what you saw a picture
[3:39:22] of we to that how they for that the same
[3:39:26] as parklets they actually just keep it
[3:39:28] really simple
[3:39:31] and you know being with Martin and stuff
[3:39:34] and traveling and being places you know
[3:39:38] I always when I was on Town Council
[3:39:41] before the co had managing Fifth Avenue
[3:39:44] we have that
[3:39:46] corner you know sidewalk ins side stuff
[3:39:48] and I always thought that you know it be
[3:39:50] be nice to use that
[3:39:53] area because of just being in other
[3:39:56] countries and how the outside in the
[3:39:58] summer you know stretches out in the
[3:40:01] plazas and stuff you know I I like that
[3:40:04] so I was trying to get something like
[3:40:06] that
[3:40:07] before you know and it was the liquor
[3:40:10] license it's like okay you got you know
[3:40:13] that way you know but uh I like that
[3:40:17] vibrant stuff of people sitting down
[3:40:19] drinking and food you know but like it's
[3:40:24] hard to tell the book store can't have
[3:40:26] the restaurant can you know to
[3:40:31] me horn and Deli bellies you know being
[3:40:35] the ice cream shop and people can't get
[3:40:37] through there sometimes too it's a it's
[3:40:40] a it's a hassle you know it's not just
[3:40:41] butter
[3:40:43] horn so I hate to say yeah I I do agree
[3:40:48] you know this is very much like a it's a
[3:40:51] it's a if you look at other countries
[3:40:53] right and you look at Europe they they
[3:40:55] do it really well and they do it all the
[3:40:58] time and you know they
[3:41:01] utilize their public space that way and
[3:41:04] it's like if we are just gonna say only
[3:41:06] for cars and people walking down the
[3:41:08] street you know then I I feel like we're
[3:41:12] we are behind the times but this is an
[3:41:14] Enforcement issue you you know you can
[3:41:17] use x amount of space but if you're in a
[3:41:20] wheelchair you have to have access you
[3:41:22] got to be able to get through and you
[3:41:25] know it's an Enforcement issue I hate to
[3:41:27] put it on staff but uh you at some point
[3:41:31] that's what it's gonna have to be you
[3:41:32] know Kyle Joe are going to need to be
[3:41:35] walking down the street saying like you
[3:41:36] got to move this stuff out of the way
[3:41:38] you know Andor as Andy's saying you you
[3:41:42] you tape out your area and you don't get
[3:41:45] to across the
[3:41:46] line that's just the way it is you know
[3:41:49] but uh but a vibrant space needs
[3:41:55] activation and uh less cars is something
[3:41:59] we've been going for for many many years
[3:42:02] and uh I I feel like we're not taking up
[3:42:04] too many parking spaces that it's not
[3:42:06] even possible to park uh there you go
[3:42:10] you know I I got one more thing on that
[3:42:13] too because during the time I was on
[3:42:16] console and uh I rode my motorcycle over
[3:42:19] Hegman pass over to balt and bista they
[3:42:24] had them before the pandemic you know
[3:42:27] this on Main Street had parklets and the
[3:42:29] Sal has St and I'm just like wow that's
[3:42:31] amazing you know why can't we do
[3:42:33] something like that Risco I think I was
[3:42:37] pushing for something like that and that
[3:42:39] was before the Pand you know just
[3:42:41] getting more vibrant people out you know
[3:42:44] drinking
[3:42:46] Street you know in that so that was one
[3:42:49] thing where I saw it first was in other
[3:42:53] towns
[3:42:55] result the pic and it feels to me like
[3:42:58] this it's settled that parklets are a go
[3:43:01] with higher fees potentially some
[3:43:03] improvements that you might rely on BL
[3:43:06] work staff to work through railings on
[3:43:08] the sides all that good stuff um and
[3:43:11] knowing the sand District needs to deal
[3:43:13] with that I guess I would say to it does
[3:43:15] not feel like question of use of town
[3:43:20] property in terms of sidewalks it's just
[3:43:22] about enforcement it is about do you
[3:43:25] want to formalize that if you're if we
[3:43:28] have a formalized program to use parking
[3:43:31] spaces Town property with license
[3:43:33] agreements and fees and insurance and
[3:43:36] all of that would you like to move in
[3:43:38] the direction of doing the same thing
[3:43:41] with side blocks it does feel somewhat
[3:43:43] in congruent to be like license this
[3:43:45] town space but we don't license this
[3:43:47] town space but you need
[3:43:50] access right access is always going to
[3:43:53] be key I think that's just a given but
[3:43:56] it's the are you using Town property
[3:43:59] with
[3:44:00] access but are you licensing that as
[3:44:03] well so what you're ear asking are we
[3:44:05] licensing the
[3:44:06] Calk part of it yeah can you just get
[3:44:09] rid of the parklets and just rent out
[3:44:11] the parking spaces and you just put your
[3:44:13] stuff right there
[3:44:21] Visions then you end sorry if you you
[3:44:26] know if you get rid of the parklets and
[3:44:28] just let businesses do whatever they
[3:44:29] want if they're going to rent it out
[3:44:31] then you end up with 20 different junky
[3:44:34] looking
[3:44:35] things I think to your question thank
[3:44:38] you for clarify sort of where we
[3:44:41] are there can be a distinction between
[3:44:44] winter well between summer and
[3:44:47] year because in parket season giving our
[3:44:52] businesses the opportunity to have
[3:44:54] outdoor
[3:44:55] space you know I'm thinking whether it's
[3:44:58] again Deli belly or whether it's the dog
[3:45:00] bowl dish at the rematch tore yes
[3:45:03] they're using the sidewalk do we need to
[3:45:05] formalize that kind of stuff when there
[3:45:07] really isn't clogged
[3:45:10] sidewalk not I'm not looking to I'm
[3:45:13] usually the rules guy but but in the
[3:45:15] summer my view is different than in the
[3:45:18] winter because we're giving people an
[3:45:20] alternative to utilize outdoor space and
[3:45:23] c and maybe what I'm doing is I'm like
[3:45:26] being a little bit of a worst case
[3:45:28] scenario thinker right now and that is
[3:45:31] parklets go up to $1,000 for 100 square
[3:45:33] feet and people are suddenly like I
[3:45:35] don't want to do that so I'm just GNA
[3:45:37] put my tables on the
[3:45:39] sidewalk and and I think that's an
[3:45:42] unfortunate sign because we're giving
[3:45:44] them an alternative they may not like
[3:45:45] that they have to spend money but we're
[3:45:48] offering them
[3:45:51] space so they can't have it for
[3:45:54] free clarify my position that's the
[3:45:57] summer clarify my okay you um clarify my
[3:46:02] position to make sure it fits into what
[3:46:03] you're asking maybe it doesn't um I like
[3:46:06] the parklets I don't think people should
[3:46:08] be able to use a side walks in the
[3:46:09] summer I think they need to be clear for
[3:46:11] people for Access and I think that needs
[3:46:13] to be forced and if people don't want a
[3:46:15] parklet they don't want to rent a parket
[3:46:17] they don't get to use the sidewalk
[3:46:20] for Commerce just
[3:46:23] because so I agree with Liz that the
[3:46:27] sidewalk needs to be you know needs to
[3:46:30] be as clear as possible people are
[3:46:32] always going to be lawyering
[3:46:34] around but then I agree with Andy
[3:46:36] because of enforcement so I like the
[3:46:38] idea of restricting use of Commerce on
[3:46:42] the sidewalks in the summer and part
[3:46:45] that's
[3:46:47] aailable yeah we'll talk winter next
[3:46:50] right yeah
[3:46:53] winter I think we just enforce it how's
[3:46:56] winter we can't clog the street you
[3:46:58] can't clog the
[3:46:59] sidewalk in the winter there sidewalks
[3:47:02] in the winter for
[3:47:04] sure oh yeah right I get it we
[3:47:11] don't no formalizing again use of
[3:47:15] sidewalk Town property in the winter but
[3:47:18] you cannot log or block the sidewalk if
[3:47:22] you're if put it in a a reader board or
[3:47:25] or your table pled the side no you can't
[3:47:28] do that even in the winter you don't
[3:47:31] have culture form when parket are not
[3:47:34] available you can use a certain strip
[3:47:39] that can be worked through of
[3:47:43] sidewalk
[3:47:46] winter I guess for me I just we don't
[3:47:49] have to move
[3:47:56] [Music]
[3:48:08] them so I think just does that fit what
[3:48:12] we're talking about pretty much yeah I
[3:48:15] mean I think I'm hearing like it would
[3:48:16] be good to hear like I hear if you have
[3:48:19] a parket in the summer you are not to be
[3:48:21] on the sidewalk I hear that I'm not sure
[3:48:24] what I'm hearing here if you have a
[3:48:26] parket this summer can you be on the
[3:48:28] sidewalk at all is that a yes or a no no
[3:48:31] I think the consistent is no sidewalk
[3:48:33] use period in the summer anytime anytime
[3:48:37] you're a little
[3:48:39] different anytime
[3:48:43] anytime red papers to be
[3:48:46] clear yes yeah c can I re real quick
[3:48:51] Chris what is uh your
[3:48:54] typical uh footage of sidewalk space
[3:48:59] like do do the the pavers count as the
[3:49:02] six foot of sidewalk and so it makes it
[3:49:04] eight feet or like what what is
[3:49:07] that so we would generally only count
[3:49:10] the sidewalk as kind of the true kind of
[3:49:12] ADA space and other papers here um so
[3:49:16] kind of it varies on where we're at but
[3:49:18] I think it's generally around 8 ft that
[3:49:21] we have the sidewalk and then about a
[3:49:24] fo so automatically that's the space you
[3:49:27] need to get through no matter what and
[3:49:30] you can't use any other
[3:49:34] space can I I think we I think we're at
[3:49:38] parklets only in the
[3:49:40] summer as a as a answer portion is that
[3:49:44] fair
[3:49:46] right inre increase fees yes of course
[3:49:49] cover the
[3:49:51] costs now the final if you will is
[3:49:56] papers use or no papers use is what I'm
[3:50:01] hearing that makes
[3:50:04] sense
[3:50:08] deep ask what what you're I'm looking to
[3:50:12] answer the questions you're asking right
[3:50:13] now I know I don't necess want to go as
[3:50:15] deeper if you don't want to be I mean it
[3:50:18] really does I mean it is odd I I think
[3:50:20] it's part of a sidewalk and it it is
[3:50:24] strange that we would to a certain
[3:50:26] degree it feels strange that we would
[3:50:28] license some Town property but not
[3:50:30] others even depending on the season like
[3:50:33] some consistency issues come up for me
[3:50:35] and I'm not a huge bureaucrat or rule
[3:50:36] follower either it's just has created
[3:50:39] some issues and I really do believe in
[3:50:42] being fair and being clear with people
[3:50:44] if they understand what the expectations
[3:50:46] are and rules are I think most people
[3:50:48] will follow them most so I mean for me a
[3:50:52] really is should all use of town all use
[3:50:56] underline including currently informal
[3:50:58] use of sidewalks for restaurant seating
[3:51:00] and Rental bike displays acire license
[3:51:02] agreements Insurance fees as parklets
[3:51:05] currently
[3:51:06] require the answer may be no I want to
[3:51:09] keep it informal like that I don't want
[3:51:11] to keep it informal that's the question
[3:51:14] I'm against it being a formal also so
[3:51:17] let me throw another wrenches sweet so
[3:51:20] Fifth Avenue has two tables on the side
[3:51:22] street you know on this Fifth Avenue
[3:51:25] that we put on the other side of the
[3:51:26] fence you know two they sit are they on
[3:51:29] top property yeah we're talking about
[3:51:37] that we we had it when Deborah was here
[3:51:40] says you can't put him out we got a
[3:51:43] take because of
[3:51:45] lior license sure so so we couldn't we
[3:51:47] couldn't even license the space or get
[3:51:49] from you it was just like no liquor
[3:51:51] license B so we got two on the side and
[3:51:56] there's you know nobody really goes down
[3:51:58] that sidewalk you know sound like it's
[3:52:00] on the main sidewalk but it's still the
[3:52:02] side you
[3:52:04] know is that considered
[3:52:06] M it's
[3:52:09] consider I feel like Mr R maybe wants to
[3:52:13] feel like I've seen him getting see a
[3:52:14] few times do you okay I I I would highly
[3:52:19] recommend that any use of public
[3:52:21] property for commercial purposes come
[3:52:24] with insurance and indemnification of
[3:52:26] the town because when someone gets hurt
[3:52:29] on public
[3:52:31] property 99 out of 100 times the answer
[3:52:35] is going to be from town when they make
[3:52:37] a claim because they've been injured I'm
[3:52:39] sorry we're
[3:52:41] immune I'm sorry you can't sue us
[3:52:45] period so where are those folks
[3:52:49] turn won't be us and if there isn't an
[3:52:53] insurance policy you know covering that
[3:52:56] area neither likely will the
[3:52:59] proprietor's insurance cover it because
[3:53:00] it's not part of their defiant premises
[3:53:02] for their commercial liability insurance
[3:53:05] they don't own
[3:53:06] it if there's no paper whatsoever
[3:53:10] indicating what right those people have
[3:53:11] to be there somebody gets heard on on
[3:53:13] the public RightWay there for lack of a
[3:53:15] more polite term so they won't have
[3:53:18] anyone to turn to can't sue
[3:53:20] us the owners insurance company is
[3:53:23] probably say
[3:53:25] no our policy doesn't cover those
[3:53:27] premises so that's some things for you
[3:53:29] to think about in terms of whether you
[3:53:31] want to formalize the use of public
[3:53:35] property that that
[3:53:38] I can't businesses even if it's not in
[3:53:42] their footprint couldn't they they cover
[3:53:46] uh couldn't they get the you know extra
[3:53:48] area absolutely yeah no that that's the
[3:53:50] point in making them go through the
[3:53:51] process and show us that they have
[3:53:53] insurance over that area and get a
[3:53:54] license from us yes absolutely they can
[3:53:57] get
[3:53:58] it
[3:54:00] yes so if you wanted to use the sidewalk
[3:54:03] you have to get insurance that what
[3:54:06] where we're at and pay I think we're
[3:54:08] yeah we're asking is whether if anyone
[3:54:11] wants use Park they have to provide
[3:54:12] insurance it's part of the permanent
[3:54:13] process so asking if someone wanted to
[3:54:15] use an area that's not a par l in the
[3:54:17] right way do we allow that and if so I
[3:54:20] think we would permit it or ring would
[3:54:23] we then permit it the same way as we do
[3:54:24] with parklets and that would requ but
[3:54:27] what we've heard so far is no use of Cs
[3:54:30] yeah so that means we're not going to
[3:54:34] license use
[3:54:36] ofs okay I'm
[3:54:40] sorry including brick I'm
[3:54:42] sorry brick
[3:54:47] because that's where the bikes are
[3:54:48] sitting right on the bricks the bikes
[3:54:51] occasional tall tables and and you know
[3:54:54] stuff like that the The Sandwich
[3:54:59] Board fur kind of
[3:55:06] complicated nonar uses that aren't in
[3:55:08] the sidewalks the rebel sports for
[3:55:10] example we've been permitting them to be
[3:55:12] in the parking um don't use a parklet so
[3:55:16] would we keep allowing that and would we
[3:55:18] put use restrictions if someone else
[3:55:20] wanted to use you know parking area but
[3:55:22] no Park someone said I want put tables
[3:55:24] in
[3:55:26] parking the other uses would be do we
[3:55:29] want to um you know put restrictions
[3:55:32] around that and then permit it as we
[3:55:33] have doing with sports and our thinking
[3:55:36] has been th sport since the very
[3:55:37] beginning is parklets would actually
[3:55:40] inhibit their ability to store as many
[3:55:42] bikes so it's practical but it's also
[3:55:45] you're not which is why we're looking at
[3:55:46] some side railings for parklets people
[3:55:49] aren't hanging out on their bike in that
[3:55:53] roped off area it's a temporary kind of
[3:55:56] like oh I'm gonna grab my bike and I'm
[3:55:57] gonna go whereas people who are seated
[3:56:00] one they need you know they obviously
[3:56:02] need adaa access as well from the
[3:56:05] sidewalk um onto the restaurant seating
[3:56:08] area and we want to we want to provide
[3:56:11] them with a certain sense of Safety and
[3:56:13] Security away from traffic so having
[3:56:16] them just on the road with nothing to
[3:56:20] inhibit parallel Parker going a little
[3:56:22] crazy um is a little bit
[3:56:26] scary that parallel parking I've seen it
[3:56:32] it okay
[3:56:35] okay I knew this would be a hard one so
[3:56:39] are we there like
[3:56:41] just no use of sidewalks are we there
[3:56:44] with Rebel sports that that
[3:56:52] is not gonna start putting restaurant
[3:56:54] seating
[3:56:56] roads very practical and saf it's a
[3:56:59] special exception okay so to be very
[3:57:02] clear then pavers we are considering
[3:57:04] part of the sidewalk it's going to be a
[3:57:06] fairly large change you might hear some
[3:57:11] people well I mean
[3:57:14] I mean we don't
[3:57:17] have I would like the I would like it to
[3:57:20] include the pavers only because of ADA
[3:57:23] and like there's some parts on the
[3:57:26] sidewalk depending on the who's doing a
[3:57:28] parklet where you can't even pass
[3:57:31] somebody you know if you're carrying a
[3:57:33] shopping bag it's so tight and narrow it
[3:57:37] just I don't
[3:57:39] know if you decided to license part of
[3:57:42] it and say Hey you can license the
[3:57:43] papers we could very clearly tell people
[3:57:46] where they can be just to heads up
[3:57:49] but originally when I said calks y I'm
[3:57:53] talking about
[3:57:55] papers okay no
[3:57:58] big objection if we
[3:58:00] do Liz
[3:58:02] has but to me sidewalks were
[3:58:08] sidewalks so I think we answered a few
[3:58:12] of the questions and then we're on to
[3:58:14] this this last one and and again I'll
[3:58:16] ask the
[3:58:19] room can we agree that if we're going
[3:58:23] I'm saying if we're going to allow the
[3:58:26] paper usage are we going to license it I
[3:58:30] would say yes I mean definitely when
[3:58:33] there is
[3:58:39] notk agree that's what exactly what I'm
[3:58:41] getting tricky
[3:58:44] so opt out of a parklet but license the
[3:58:47] paper that's why I say what parklets are
[3:58:49] available that's
[3:58:51] a you so but I feel like it's worst case
[3:58:54] scenario that everybody's going to do
[3:58:56] just that but if somebody doesn't have a
[3:58:59] parklet and they're using the papers and
[3:59:01] then down the street there's somebody
[3:59:02] with a parket they're going to use the
[3:59:04] papers too no you can't use the pap if
[3:59:06] you have during parket season you but if
[3:59:09] you don't have
[3:59:15] yeah how wide are the papers that's that
[3:59:17] is the open question you're you're
[3:59:20] you're both articulating the open to two
[3:59:22] sides of the open question I would say
[3:59:25] no pavers just keep it clean and simple
[3:59:28] carets sidewalkers in the sidewalk it's
[3:59:32] getting
[3:59:35] complicated I'd agree with
[3:59:39] that i' like
[3:59:42] clarification just said it
[3:59:44] okay then they're
[3:59:46] saying par season you cannot use the
[3:59:49] papers that's what that's what
[4:00:04] and well Andy and Elizabeth are saying
[4:00:08] no pavers anytime to be liced your round
[4:00:13] that's correct
[4:00:16] I mean that keeps it clear you're you're
[4:00:19] suggesting if it's associated with the
[4:00:23] paret the pavers in front of it between
[4:00:26] there and the sidewalk can be
[4:00:31] licensed I think what he was suggesting
[4:00:33] no I was suggesting is if during
[4:00:36] Park favers are
[4:00:38] off okay they're no longer an option if
[4:00:42] you want to expand your business bu into
[4:00:45] a parklet you're welcome to but the
[4:00:47] payol buiness non parklet
[4:00:50] season if you want to use the P area you
[4:00:54] can but it comes with a license that's
[4:00:58] I'm not advocating for it I that's what
[4:01:01] I thought we basically what I hear then
[4:01:03] is summer is conducive to parklets as
[4:01:06] Council decided in
[4:01:08] 2023 boom but they're not available
[4:01:10] during the winter so you're making a
[4:01:12] different license area available which
[4:01:15] is the pavers that's what I'm hearing
[4:01:18] but from one person so I'm not saying
[4:01:20] I'm not sure I love the idea
[4:01:24] either the only the only Nuance to that
[4:01:27] that I would add to make it more
[4:01:29] complicated is we are often piling snow
[4:01:34] on the papers before we get rid of it so
[4:01:38] I don't think in the winter we can
[4:01:39] license the paving paper because we need
[4:01:42] to clear it that's a great point
[4:01:52] and for the most part I know Rebel in
[4:01:55] the winter is really only using the area
[4:01:58] behind the sidewalk on their property
[4:02:02] like they're not using the pavers
[4:02:03] they're not using the
[4:02:08] sidewalk that's about the flying crane
[4:02:11] they put some clothes racks out of their
[4:02:14] door is
[4:02:15] that probably property because it goes
[4:02:18] in yeah maybe
[4:02:22] oner that's why I said you'll hear from
[4:02:24] people
[4:02:27] so no use of sidewalks it is very clear
[4:02:31] I would say to you it is very clear it
[4:02:34] says that now use
[4:02:39] to so where are we
[4:02:42] at you're going to sidewalks or papers
[4:02:46] yes that's what I'm
[4:02:50] hear live with the
[4:02:52] park sidewalk to safe it's going to take
[4:02:56] a little time for us to um Outreach to
[4:02:58] those businesses and have these
[4:03:00] conversations but they will be had in
[4:03:03] writing and verbally so look for some
[4:03:05] changes I would say over the next
[4:03:11] month probably as you surveyed in your
[4:03:14] mind Main Street in the winter you can
[4:03:18] probably tell who you're going to hear
[4:03:20] about
[4:03:26] yes
[4:03:27] okay if I may in there can we please use
[4:03:32] some
[4:03:34] tact when going it's not just you can't
[4:03:38] use this anymore it's you know it's due
[4:03:42] to safety concerns and everything else
[4:03:45] right thank
[4:03:47] you try not to be as harsh as
[4:03:52] usual as
[4:04:00] we've 15 minutes everybody thank you
[4:04:03] very
[4:04:08] much you know in
[4:04:11] comparison I wish that deed restrict
[4:04:19] [Laughter]
[4:04:24] easy
[4:04:42] was
[4:05:12] e
[4:18:41] for
[4:19:11] e e
[4:21:16] I'm just trying to make sure Andy can
[4:21:18] hear
[4:21:21] us oh
[4:21:25] awesome Mr Mayor you're on mic and
[4:21:27] recording whenever you'd like thank
[4:21:30] you hi everybody it is 7:03 and it's
[4:21:34] time to start the regular meeting of The
[4:21:36] Frisco Town Council for January 14
[4:21:39] 2025 and with that we'll go with a roll
[4:21:42] call Alan here in here Aron here script
[4:21:46] check Adrian here Kibby here and the
[4:21:49] Leno is absent and held
[4:21:54] here he said here but I didn't hear him
[4:21:57] very well so I'm gonna make sure these
[4:21:59] are hello hey Andy can you say here one
[4:22:02] more time here can you hear
[4:22:06] me I am unmuted hang on just one sec
[4:22:19] hello here can you hear me okay hang on
[4:22:23] just one sec we're not able to hear you
[4:22:25] Andy I can see that you're
[4:22:30] talking
[4:22:31] awesome beam of the
[4:22:39] night Andy can you unplug your mic and
[4:22:41] plug it back in
[4:23:09] no testing one twoo
[4:23:19] testing one two three anybody can hear
[4:23:22] thanks everyone for coming while we work
[4:23:23] through the technical difficulties
[4:23:37] standby am
[4:23:40] unmuted that just me
[4:23:48] testing one
[4:24:00] two everything works on my
[4:24:06] side
[4:24:10] awesome can can you hear me testing one
[4:24:17] too and I didn't know I had the paper on
[4:24:20] oh
[4:24:21] excellent not report to the shelter
[4:24:24] what's this on the outside oh it's a
[4:24:26] paper and I ate a bunch of it
[4:24:51] you tell me you're testing one
[4:24:54] too I appreciate everyone online can
[4:24:56] hear me but no one in Chambers
[4:25:06] Canen between you guys between might it
[4:25:10] was a year and a half before I ever met
[4:25:11] anybody right
[4:25:34] person one more time hello testing one
[4:25:40] two thank you can hear you thank you so
[4:25:43] much everyone's present except blenco is
[4:25:47] absent yes I'm here thank you perfect
[4:25:50] thanks Andy thank you
[4:25:52] Stacy uh with that we completed our roll
[4:25:54] call let's move into public
[4:25:57] comment and we just get through this
[4:26:00] people making public comment must State
[4:26:01] their name and physical address for the
[4:26:03] record be topic specific and limit
[4:26:06] comments to three minutes or less no
[4:26:08] council action will be taken on public
[4:26:10] comments and at Council meetings Council
[4:26:13] takes public comments under advisement
[4:26:15] and if a council Andor staff response is
[4:26:17] deemed necessary or appropriate the
[4:26:20] individual making the comment will
[4:26:21] receive a formal response from the town
[4:26:24] at a later date it is recommended to
[4:26:26] sign in at the welcome desk at each
[4:26:28] meeting and include contact information
[4:26:31] with that do we have any public comment
[4:26:32] in the room
[4:26:45] uh good evening Mr Mayor and members of
[4:26:46] the Town Council my name is Matt aan
[4:26:48] this is my wife Natalie Aman uh we live
[4:26:52] in Englewood Colorado 3254 South banic
[4:26:55] Street uh tonight we're here to speak um
[4:26:59] and seek your support and collaboration
[4:27:01] to bring wildart Sona company to the
[4:27:03] town of Frisco we understand the Town
[4:27:05] Council has concerns about operating on
[4:27:07] town-owned land and our goal tonight is
[4:27:09] to express our commitment to finding a
[4:27:11] solution that work for everyone whether
[4:27:13] through a specially use permit or other
[4:27:15] viable option we believe wildart sonuna
[4:27:18] company can be an asset to Frisco so
[4:27:20] wildart sauna is more than a business to
[4:27:22] us it's a vision that has been inspired
[4:27:25] by our love for sauna culture and the
[4:27:27] healing um benefits that comes with that
[4:27:31] so sonas have been cherished for
[4:27:33] centuries offering physical benefits
[4:27:34] such as improved circulation um Muscle
[4:27:37] Recovery immune Health while also
[4:27:39] providing a space for peace mental
[4:27:41] Clarity and emot
[4:27:43] wellbeing um so I kind of want to
[4:27:44] briefly paint a picture of what our
[4:27:46] experience would look like so you would
[4:27:48] um arrive to wildart sauna we're leaving
[4:27:50] our phones behind and you're going to
[4:27:52] step into the warmth of our sauna during
[4:27:54] our lightly guided session we are going
[4:27:56] to be explaining how to expose yourself
[4:27:59] to the Heat and the Cold Mountain Air to
[4:28:01] get the most benefit from the thermal
[4:28:03] cycle um we're also fostering an
[4:28:05] environment to enjoy and embrace the
[4:28:08] beauty of Frisco and after your sauna
[4:28:10] session we welcome you to stay and
[4:28:13] rehydrate and relax before going back to
[4:28:15] your day um our goal is to commit to
[4:28:18] offer a wellness experience that's
[4:28:20] unique to Frisco and complements the
[4:28:22] lifestyle and creates meaningful moments
[4:28:24] to those who use it beyond the emotional
[4:28:27] and cultural ties our proposal aligns
[4:28:29] strongly with the town of Frisco's
[4:28:31] strategic plan as outlined in goal B do5
[4:28:35] uh we are promoting Recreation wellness
[4:28:37] and sustainability while fostering
[4:28:39] economic growth we aim to provide an AM
[4:28:42] that has seen growing demand Nationwide
[4:28:44] place for both seasonal uh visitors as
[4:28:47] well as year-round residents uh to enjoy
[4:28:50] by partnering with the town wildart Sona
[4:28:52] company will enhance Frisco's unique
[4:28:54] charm support the local economy enrich
[4:28:57] recreational offerings and thoughtfully
[4:28:59] contribute to the community environment
[4:29:01] that makes the town of Frisco so special
[4:29:05] we deeply appreciate the Town Council
[4:29:07] and Frisco's dedicated staff and the
[4:29:09] leadership for their guidance and
[4:29:10] support and helping us reach this point
[4:29:13] uh the assistance that we've received
[4:29:14] from the marina the Community
[4:29:16] Development Public Works and finance
[4:29:18] departments has been invaluable and we
[4:29:20] look forward to continuing this
[4:29:21] partnership as we work together to
[4:29:23] achieve our goal thank you great thank
[4:29:25] you
[4:29:27] guys your public comments tonight I want
[4:29:29] to inform everyone online and in the
[4:29:32] room that we are not using our three
[4:29:34] minute timers tonight because of the
[4:29:36] number of comments we may be
[4:29:38] anticipating so we're going to be
[4:29:39] running that manually I will will be
[4:29:42] given
[4:29:44] uh we're out of time sign and I'll
[4:29:48] engage with you guys as we go forward so
[4:29:50] thanks for everyone's respect on the
[4:29:51] front side of that with that any other
[4:29:53] public
[4:29:58] comments hello my name is Alex Beach uh
[4:30:00] 408 Second Avenue here in Frisco for
[4:30:03] three more months now um sat through the
[4:30:07] work session with you guys uh I've
[4:30:09] emailed all of everyone on Council uh as
[4:30:11] well as the town manager and the housing
[4:30:12] staff some some concerns that I had on
[4:30:15] the staff report and draft that was
[4:30:17] discussed uh a couple of things that I
[4:30:19] wanted to speak about here at the public
[4:30:22] forum tonight um one is yes we've talked
[4:30:26] a little bit about you guys talked a
[4:30:27] little bit about waiting uh the lottery
[4:30:29] under the new restricted housing
[4:30:31] Covenant a little bit for longtime
[4:30:33] residents um I don't believe that it's
[4:30:35] enough I've been in lotteries with 400
[4:30:37] people um so two or three extra lottery
[4:30:39] entries when there's 400 people in a
[4:30:41] lottery isn't going to substantially
[4:30:43] increase the odds for for people that
[4:30:44] have been here a long time um also one
[4:30:47] of the really important things I think
[4:30:48] that still needs to be kept open we
[4:30:50] wasn't discussed at this meeting I'm
[4:30:51] sure it's going to be discussed at the
[4:30:52] next one is uh the seller being able to
[4:30:55] choose their buyer um I think that is an
[4:30:58] important part uh of our housing program
[4:31:01] here in
[4:31:02] Frisco um whether it's you know an
[4:31:05] employer wanting to sell to an employee
[4:31:08] uh you know or a friend selling to a
[4:31:10] friend we shouldn't be limiting that
[4:31:11] opportunity
[4:31:12] um I also just want to take a quick
[4:31:14] survey people in the room who here lives
[4:31:16] in a deed restricted
[4:31:18] unit including two members of council
[4:31:21] who are here I believe uh Liz and Rick
[4:31:23] you guys are ined restricted and who
[4:31:25] here had to win a lottery to occupy that
[4:31:28] deed restricted
[4:31:29] unit nobody okay and I believe you two
[4:31:33] didn't have to win a lottery either to
[4:31:35] get your unit uh so under the current
[4:31:37] proposal that you guys are planning
[4:31:39] nobody in this room would occupy their
[4:31:41] destricted
[4:31:42] right everyone here got their unit
[4:31:44] because someone chose to sell it to them
[4:31:46] whether it was a friend whether it was a
[4:31:48] friend of a friend through the community
[4:31:49] ties that they've made from living in
[4:31:51] this community for a long time I think
[4:31:53] eliminating that opportunity is
[4:31:55] completely ruining uh long-term
[4:31:57] residents ability to make connections in
[4:31:59] this community for people to have
[4:32:01] property rights to sell their property
[4:32:03] to a friend or to an employer um and I
[4:32:05] think that's a very important aspect
[4:32:07] that we need to keep open um I also want
[4:32:09] to take the little bit of time that I
[4:32:11] have left I know we're going to be
[4:32:13] having a vacancy on the Town Council
[4:32:15] here coming up um I think it's time that
[4:32:18] we have someone on Council who like I
[4:32:21] know a number of you have moved here and
[4:32:23] you know struggled and lived the skum
[4:32:25] life but you're all past that now we
[4:32:27] need somebody here who is working
[4:32:28] multiple jobs who has multiple roommates
[4:32:30] who is struggling to survive in this
[4:32:32] County so I want to throw my hat in the
[4:32:34] ring for the open Town Council seat um
[4:32:36] and I think it's important that our
[4:32:37] demographic is represented here in
[4:32:40] Frisco because we are a large
[4:32:42] uh conglomerate of people in this
[4:32:44] community that whose voices are not
[4:32:45] often heard thank you
[4:32:53] thanks Dave Sherman address local
[4:32:55] address here 740 medal Creek Drive Unit
[4:33:00] D and we all uh my wife and I also own a
[4:33:04] commercial property down town here I
[4:33:06] don't know if you need that address but
[4:33:09] um I'm here to support people like Alex
[4:33:11] are long-term residents that are
[4:33:14] struggling to find a a permanent home
[4:33:18] here in town and they'd like to stay
[4:33:20] here we all know people that have left
[4:33:23] the community because they cannot afford
[4:33:27] to own a home here and they want to move
[4:33:29] on with their life so I um I do like the
[4:33:32] idea of giving waiting a heavier waiting
[4:33:35] to folks that have been here for 5 10 15
[4:33:40] 20 years I don't know how you want to
[4:33:42] stagger it five years um those people
[4:33:45] most of
[4:33:46] them uh a lot of them that I know are
[4:33:49] embedded in the community they've got
[4:33:52] multiple jobs uh some of them are
[4:33:54] managers or owners or Partners in
[4:33:58] businesses and we'd like to keep them in
[4:34:00] the community and I know they're going
[4:34:02] to leave if they if they can't if they
[4:34:04] can't find a a home um second um I like
[4:34:09] the idea of allowing the
[4:34:12] owner of a deed restricted home or
[4:34:15] whatever to choose their buyer because I
[4:34:19] I believe that some of those folks maybe
[4:34:22] if you're an owner in a business and
[4:34:23] you've got a strong manager or an upand
[4:34:26] cominging uh employee that could be a
[4:34:28] partner um somebody that manages that
[4:34:31] business when you're away from the
[4:34:33] community an incentive to keep them here
[4:34:36] in the
[4:34:37] town
[4:34:38] um and then I'd also like to see the
[4:34:41] barbecue Festival come back and the
[4:34:44] fireworks at the 4th of July do I have
[4:34:46] any time
[4:34:48] left thank
[4:34:53] you any other public comments in
[4:35:02] chamber all right hi my name is Sarah I
[4:35:05] live at 539 Granite Street here in
[4:35:08] Brisco I am here because I believe that
[4:35:10] deed restricted homes belong to those
[4:35:12] who work in the county I have reviewed
[4:35:14] the proposed changes in the New Covenant
[4:35:16] and I believe two of those changes do
[4:35:18] not support housing the workforce of
[4:35:20] Frisco first the town is proposing a
[4:35:22] change to the work requirement to
[4:35:24] qualify for deed restriction the New
[4:35:26] Covenant would require that a home owner
[4:35:27] to work in the county only at the time
[4:35:29] of purchase therefore someone could work
[4:35:32] here for a season purchase a Dr quit
[4:35:34] their job and afterwards only be
[4:35:36] required to occupy their home once every
[4:35:38] 90 days potentially making their deed
[4:35:41] restricted home into a second home there
[4:35:44] is no oversight or work requirement
[4:35:46] after the initial initial purchase I
[4:35:48] asked the board is the purpose of dued
[4:35:50] restriction the only affordable housing
[4:35:52] in Frisco to give more second homes to
[4:35:54] people who have no longer work here I'd
[4:35:57] say affordable housing should go to
[4:35:58] those who work here I was shocked to see
[4:36:01] this sentiment removed from the purpose
[4:36:02] statement for a Dr the statement that
[4:36:04] was removed read and I quote to help
[4:36:07] establish and preserve a supply of
[4:36:08] moderately priced housing to help meet
[4:36:10] the needs of the local employed
[4:36:12] residents of seit County I ask the
[4:36:14] council again what is the point of
[4:36:15] affordable housing if not to how th
[4:36:17] house those who work here and cannot
[4:36:19] afford to buy a home in market value the
[4:36:22] Second Challenge I have is to the method
[4:36:24] of resale for a deed restriction the new
[4:36:26] amendment requires that all resales go
[4:36:28] through a lottery or system removing the
[4:36:30] current options for locals who live here
[4:36:32] for quite some time and meet the
[4:36:34] qualifications to purchase a home
[4:36:36] through a friend or application process
[4:36:39] this creates problems through the
[4:36:40] arbitrary nature of the lottery
[4:36:42] system let's say a destricted homeowner
[4:36:44] has had a renter for many years the
[4:36:46] renter loves their home and has
[4:36:48] maintained and cherished it for some
[4:36:49] time the homeowner decides to move and
[4:36:52] sell the previous Covenant allows the
[4:36:54] homeowner the option to sell to that
[4:36:56] tenant under the New Covenant with the
[4:36:58] mandatory Lottery the tenant would have
[4:37:00] a 1% chance at best to win the right to
[4:37:03] buy their home if the renter is unable
[4:37:05] to win their home they would be forced
[4:37:07] to vacate search for a rare affordable
[4:37:09] rental rate without without finding such
[4:37:12] a place they too may be forced to leave
[4:37:14] the county I asked the councel how is UN
[4:37:17] housing someone who works in the county
[4:37:18] a good thing especially considering the
[4:37:21] person buying Under the New Covenant
[4:37:23] isn't even required to work here after
[4:37:25] initial purchase why is removing the
[4:37:27] owner's right to choose who to sell to a
[4:37:29] good thing any normal homeover has that
[4:37:31] right if I ever got lucky enough to own
[4:37:34] a Dr and I wanted to move or retire
[4:37:36] elsewhere I'd love to sell my home to a
[4:37:38] friend someone who could cherish this
[4:37:40] place like I have
[4:37:42] or I would take offers through
[4:37:43] application I love the opportunity to
[4:37:45] sell to someone with an amazing story
[4:37:47] who works here and has been trying to
[4:37:49] live here in conclusion I believe deed
[4:37:52] restriction with a job requirement after
[4:37:54] purchase allows people who work here the
[4:37:56] ability to live here I also believe Dr
[4:37:59] homeowners should have the right to
[4:38:00] choose who to sell to I believe that the
[4:38:03] only affordable housing in Frisco should
[4:38:04] go to those who work here that way they
[4:38:07] can live here too thank you for your
[4:38:08] time
[4:38:15] more public
[4:38:22] comment um hi my name is Daren I live at
[4:38:26] 539 Grand Street and I've been living
[4:38:28] and working in Sumit County for eight
[4:38:30] years uh I bought a DED restrict home in
[4:38:33] 2021 um I was able to purchase my home
[4:38:37] through an application to the owner in
[4:38:39] which I wrote a letter explaining my
[4:38:41] story
[4:38:42] I'm going to read a part of that letter
[4:38:43] to you right now um when I was a kid I
[4:38:47] fell in love with skiing at Copper
[4:38:48] Mountain in a middle school journal
[4:38:50] entry I asked myself I wonder what type
[4:38:53] of degree you need to be a ski
[4:38:55] instructor cool job um I love the
[4:38:58] mountains after graduating college I
[4:39:00] made the decision to pursue my passion
[4:39:02] and I've been teaching ski a copper ever
[4:39:04] since um I'm so lucky to be able to be
[4:39:07] living my childhood dream and in moving
[4:39:09] to Sumit County to pursue that dream I
[4:39:10] found a place that feels like home
[4:39:13] living in Summit year round these last
[4:39:14] few years has given me a community of
[4:39:16] people who love the outdoors as much as
[4:39:17] I do and I hope to grow my roots in
[4:39:19] Summit County for many years to come
[4:39:21] that's my letter under the proposed
[4:39:23] changes to the new restrictive covenant
[4:39:26] my story would have not have mattered
[4:39:27] and I would not be here
[4:39:29] today I firmly believe that homeowners
[4:39:31] should have the right to choose who to
[4:39:33] sell their homes to the lottery is an
[4:39:35] arbitrary system and to require a
[4:39:37] homeowner to enter their home into a
[4:39:39] lottery means that the actual people who
[4:39:42] live and work in the county who build
[4:39:44] relationships and
[4:39:46] community and who deserve to have their
[4:39:48] story heard are Whittle down to just a
[4:39:50] number in conclusion I am limiting or I
[4:39:53] am against limiting homeowners resale
[4:39:55] options to just the lottery I'd like
[4:39:58] more stories like mine to be heard thank
[4:39:59] you for your
[4:40:05] time public comment in the room
[4:40:15] I'll just do a quick one um my name is
[4:40:18] Mary
[4:40:19] Sherman uh We've owned uh property in
[4:40:22] the lagoon since the early 90s and in
[4:40:25] the last few years we've bought property
[4:40:27] on Main Street uh my business has um
[4:40:31] worked with other businesses in the
[4:40:33] county mine is in wheat rdge but I've
[4:40:35] been fortunate enough to work with u
[4:40:38] businesses up here in the county so I
[4:40:40] feel like we have some Roots here you
[4:40:43] know we spend my husband and I spend a
[4:40:46] lot of time socially in Frisco at
[4:40:50] different businesses here and we get to
[4:40:53] know these people and they are good
[4:40:55] people and everything they're saying I'm
[4:40:59] not going to
[4:41:00] repeat I fully
[4:41:03] support I was baffled to find out that
[4:41:05] it takes a lottery for them to get the
[4:41:08] ability to buy property here
[4:41:12] so I support them great thanks thanks
[4:41:15] for all you
[4:41:21] do public comment in
[4:41:27] Chambers any more online
[4:41:30] Stacy don't see any if you're online you
[4:41:34] could raise your hand on
[4:41:37] Zoom I'm seeing none seeing none okay
[4:41:42] with that we're going to move on to
[4:41:43] Mayor and Council
[4:41:45] comments Andy you have any comments I
[4:41:48] caught you with the
[4:41:51] drink I'd just like to say thank you for
[4:41:54] everyone showing up and and uh speaking
[4:41:56] your mind and I everything gets taken
[4:42:00] under consideration thank you thanks
[4:42:02] Andy anyone
[4:42:04] else I just like the second Andy's
[4:42:06] comments I really appreciate when people
[4:42:08] show up for public comment it's a very
[4:42:09] important part of the process of thank
[4:42:11] you all for being
[4:42:12] here
[4:42:14] great I want to thank staff for working
[4:42:17] through the holidays it was very busy
[4:42:18] the Tubing Hill has got six lanes open
[4:42:21] and our staffing numbers are looking
[4:42:23] really well we've had uh good responses
[4:42:26] from our visitors and our locals alike
[4:42:28] who've been enjoying the Tubing Hill in
[4:42:30] the Nordic Center and I know that Public
[4:42:32] Works is working really hard to keep the
[4:42:33] streets clear so thank you for everyone
[4:42:35] working the long hours and early
[4:42:37] mornings and again I'll Echo the other
[4:42:40] council members comments it really is
[4:42:43] appreciated when folks come and speak to
[4:42:45] us here at our meetings and we again do
[4:42:48] take everything under consideration so
[4:42:49] thank you with that we're g to move over
[4:42:52] to staff
[4:42:53] updates okay I've got a few tonight um
[4:42:57] first of all um there is a Colorado
[4:43:00] Association of ski towns meeting coming
[4:43:02] up um in Breen Ridge it's the it's the
[4:43:05] evening of the 29th through the 31st of
[4:43:08] January um really the business uh part
[4:43:11] of that meeting is all going to happen
[4:43:13] on the
[4:43:14] 30th um so I will be in my individual
[4:43:18] meetings with you uh as the council um
[4:43:21] over the next couple of weeks I'll
[4:43:23] review the agenda with you we'll be
[4:43:25] sending out some information um it would
[4:43:28] be uh I I'll be attending the the most
[4:43:32] of the meeting uh but it'd be nice if we
[4:43:34] can get some good uh Frisco
[4:43:36] participation in that since it's so
[4:43:38] close but I know there's other
[4:43:39] obligations that the council has as well
[4:43:42] um we have a
[4:43:45] um um a few things coming up uh with the
[4:43:49] town uh most immediately is eat ski and
[4:43:52] be Mary and I know that uh Vanessa has
[4:43:55] already been talking to you about that
[4:43:56] on the 25th um and we have some other
[4:43:59] events uh coming closely after that
[4:44:02] which we'll announce as they come along
[4:44:04] and you'll see in uh some of the
[4:44:06] communications from the town but also um
[4:44:09] we have the uh winter employee
[4:44:12] celebration uh next week uh starting at
[4:44:15] 4:00 on Wednesday the 22nd of course you
[4:44:19] are all uh encouraged and invited to
[4:44:21] come um fad you're encouraged invited to
[4:44:24] to come um and and have a a nice meal
[4:44:28] and visit with everybody um as we as we
[4:44:31] do that um the last thing I've got is
[4:44:35] that um we had a a mayor and manager
[4:44:38] meeting last week um that had a very
[4:44:41] very interesting uh conversation teed up
[4:44:44] um and some briefings um from our local
[4:44:47] law enforcement uh
[4:44:49] leadership um in in the concern around
[4:44:53] uh change in federal Administration and
[4:44:56] some of the uh things we've heard about
[4:44:59] what's going to happen with immigration
[4:45:01] with border security those types of
[4:45:03] things and uh the the group the group
[4:45:07] that uh met with us um
[4:45:12] it was very enlightening to hear how
[4:45:15] things are already handled from a law
[4:45:17] enforcement perspective in relation to
[4:45:21] um uh ice for example um and and how
[4:45:26] they operate in the in the states here
[4:45:29] uh that they that they operate out of um
[4:45:32] we have a local ice office in Denver
[4:45:35] they cover both Colorado and and
[4:45:38] Wyoming um and they've got about 140
[4:45:42] officers that operate out of that office
[4:45:46] um
[4:45:47] and what some of the things that the the
[4:45:50] law enforcement leadership heard from
[4:45:53] from Ice leadership um kind of points
[4:45:57] towards what we can expect from the
[4:45:59] federal level immediately now there is
[4:46:02] going to be a whole lot of rhic um and
[4:46:06] talk of what's going to happen across
[4:46:08] the country but from the practice
[4:46:10] practical standpoint of our local law
[4:46:13] enforcement and these and these federal
[4:46:15] law enforcement
[4:46:16] agencies the the what what our folks
[4:46:19] heard was that there's no more resources
[4:46:23] coming for
[4:46:25] enforcement um meaning that they're not
[4:46:28] seeing anything that tells them that
[4:46:30] there's going to be a flood of officers
[4:46:32] heading into Colorado to cover Colorado
[4:46:35] and Wyoming um that doesn't mean things
[4:46:39] can't change but the current time this
[4:46:42] is what they understand they also got
[4:46:45] briefed that they were they are they
[4:46:48] have been and continue to be completely
[4:46:52] maxed out with things that happen in the
[4:46:56] major urban area of Denver they have
[4:46:59] only been in Summit County for an
[4:47:02] enforcement activity once in the last
[4:47:05] five
[4:47:06] years
[4:47:08] so not that we should uh not be wary uh
[4:47:13] and paying attention um but there's
[4:47:16] really nothing that we that that group
[4:47:18] of people sees as changing at this point
[4:47:22] um and I I know that's not going to
[4:47:25] lower anybody's
[4:47:26] anxiety um but it was it was some of the
[4:47:29] questions that were being asked that
[4:47:31] Drew some of this stuff out um I I think
[4:47:35] the other thing that that we learned
[4:47:38] from our our law enforcement folks
[4:47:42] was there is there is nothing about
[4:47:46] somebody's immigration
[4:47:48] status that our law enforcement folks
[4:47:51] are interested in they don't ask the
[4:47:54] question they don't um there's no
[4:47:58] reports that they file that that state
[4:48:01] that they deal with criminal
[4:48:04] activity and the only time that anybody
[4:48:09] is going to be noticed is if they're
[4:48:13] committing a crime they get
[4:48:16] fingerprinted and their fingerprints go
[4:48:18] into the federal database that everybody
[4:48:21] sees um and if that
[4:48:24] fingerprint turns out that they have
[4:48:27] warrants somewhere else for other
[4:48:28] criminal
[4:48:30] activity that's what
[4:48:32] triggers enforcement activity at the
[4:48:34] federal
[4:48:36] level um so so take what you will from
[4:48:39] that but
[4:48:41] um there is there is there's no threats
[4:48:45] of of federal funds being withdrawn for
[4:48:49] non-cooperation or anything like that
[4:48:51] right now um but we're gonna I mean as
[4:48:55] people interested in in what happens to
[4:48:58] folks that live and work in sub Summit
[4:49:00] County I think we're going to continue
[4:49:02] to stay vigilant on this um our law
[4:49:06] enforcement folks are going to stay
[4:49:07] current with what's happening at the
[4:49:09] federal level
[4:49:11] um and uh you know we should probably
[4:49:15] just be having individual conversations
[4:49:17] with folks um or groups that are
[4:49:21] concerned and if if we can get them
[4:49:25] hooked up with people that really know
[4:49:27] what's going on like our chief like the
[4:49:31] sheriff um they are very willing to have
[4:49:33] conversations with them about that um we
[4:49:37] know that there's anxiety about law
[4:49:39] enforcement because of folks experience
[4:49:41] with law enforcement from the country
[4:49:43] that they come from um that doesn't mean
[4:49:46] our law enforcement handles things the
[4:49:48] same
[4:49:50] way that's what I've got great
[4:49:54] thanks next item of business this
[4:49:57] evening is going to be a
[4:50:00] proclamation grab some items here
[4:50:15] can you join me at
[4:50:23] the
[4:50:25] hi I'm Rick to meet you we're going to
[4:50:29] get down to our uh Proclamation you
[4:50:32] ready to go I am totally a
[4:50:35] service I'll be the one shaking and
[4:50:39] quivering voice as I read it okay
[4:50:42] to of Frisco Proclamation
[4:50:44] 25-01 Charlotte Clark is recognized as
[4:50:48] Frisco's finest whereas when Charlotte
[4:50:51] Clark moved to fris in 1994 she brought
[4:50:54] her passion and knowledge from a career
[4:50:57] at College as a college professor to our
[4:50:59] community leading tours on plant life
[4:51:02] history and Junior archaeology to the
[4:51:06] public for the following for for the
[4:51:09] following decades and and whereas in
[4:51:12] 1990s Charlotte Clark interviewed and
[4:51:15] hiked with the last generation of The
[4:51:18] Frisco
[4:51:19] ists
[4:51:21] frises Frisco sites to mine and Ranch
[4:51:25] dur who mined and Ranch during the 1930s
[4:51:28] documenting Mining and cabin locations
[4:51:31] and recording numerous stories in
[4:51:33] history that would have otherwise been
[4:51:35] lost forever and whereas throughout her
[4:51:38] involvement with the frisco historic
[4:51:40] Society Charlotte Clark has acted as
[4:51:43] secretary along with associating and
[4:51:46] preserving dozens of artifacts donated
[4:51:48] to the museum and whereas as of January
[4:51:51] 7th 2023 Charlotte Clark gifted the
[4:51:55] frisco Historic Park and museum in the
[4:51:58] town of Frisco the rights to her Field
[4:52:00] Guide the minds of Frisco and beyond for
[4:52:03] the frisco Historic Park in museum to
[4:52:05] update and publish for the good of the
[4:52:08] community this booklet was was
[4:52:10] originally printed in 2004 and in the
[4:52:13] following years became a staple to the
[4:52:15] historic resources that lie within and
[4:52:18] around Frisco a couple
[4:52:21] copies whereas Charlotte Clark continues
[4:52:25] to volunteer her time and commun to the
[4:52:28] community recently retiring from her
[4:52:30] role on the board the friends of the
[4:52:32] Dylan ranger district volunteering at
[4:52:34] the community and Senior Center and
[4:52:37] Hospital making her wealth of knowledge
[4:52:39] and resource EAS accessible to the
[4:52:41] frisco Historic Park and Museum and
[4:52:43] whole Community now therefore Charlotte
[4:52:46] Clark is hereby proclam to be Frisco's
[4:52:49] finest dated this day the 14th day of
[4:52:52] January
[4:52:53] 2025 congratulations
[4:53:07] thank overwhelmed really um it's been a
[4:53:12] joy to move here on this spur the moment
[4:53:16] because I thought I'd found paradise and
[4:53:19] I still love this little town and I hope
[4:53:22] it stays you know like it is friendly
[4:53:25] and kind of small no high high buildings
[4:53:29] it's a lovely place to live and I have
[4:53:33] the wonderful place to live in bills
[4:53:36] Ranch that I actually have moose on my
[4:53:39] deck regularly and I still love being
[4:53:42] here in this area because of all the
[4:53:45] friendly people and the small town that
[4:53:48] you can actually get to know thank you
[4:53:51] so much
[4:54:23] thank
[4:54:38] you all right thanks everybody
[4:54:43] and that our next item of business this
[4:54:45] evening will be considering the consent
[4:54:48] agenda and perhaps a motion Mr Mayor I
[4:54:52] move we approve the consent agenda
[4:54:55] second we have a motion in a second
[4:54:57] please call the
[4:54:59] question yes
[4:55:02] yes ELD yeso is absent Kibby yes SC
[4:55:08] check Adrian yes
[4:55:12] got it thanks Stacey the motion is
[4:55:14] passed we're going to move on to new
[4:55:15] business our first item of new business
[4:55:18] this evening is an announcement I have
[4:55:21] for the room and for Council that we
[4:55:23] have received a resignation from uh Lisa
[4:55:27] hinko from her position here on Town
[4:55:29] Council um that's been shared with the
[4:55:32] town attorney and the town manager and
[4:55:34] with that we're going to be uh moving
[4:55:37] forward with a process to fill that
[4:55:39] vacant position
[4:55:41] um our next steps for this are going to
[4:55:44] be uh per Town Charter we have the
[4:55:47] ability to run an election we have the
[4:55:49] ability to appoint someone they all must
[4:55:51] happen 45 days today so with that in
[4:55:55] mind the council had had a retreat uh
[4:55:58] last week and we wanted we made a
[4:56:00] decision to go forward with an
[4:56:02] appointment and with that staff will be
[4:56:04] coming forward with a timeline of
[4:56:08] what sweet is ready to do her
[4:56:13] job keep going that was great
[4:56:18] that I'm gonna be quiet and turn it over
[4:56:21] to Stacy thank you
[4:56:23] Tom no um thank you Mr Mayor and Council
[4:56:26] I hope you don't mind that I'm just
[4:56:27] sitting for this one um just because we
[4:56:29] are going to be here for a little bit
[4:56:30] just to discuss so um Frisco's home Rule
[4:56:33] Charter uh actually like uh Mr Mayer
[4:56:37] just said um definitely stipulate what
[4:56:40] your options are here you can either um
[4:56:44] direct me to go ahead with legal process
[4:56:48] um surrounding conducting a special
[4:56:50] election and all that would appear on
[4:56:52] that ballot would be um you know we
[4:56:56] anybody who was certified to the ballot
[4:56:59] for this one uh vacant
[4:57:01] seat um or the other option is for you
[4:57:05] all to Simply conduct a an appointment
[4:57:08] process um but as the mayor just told
[4:57:11] you all you have 45 days to direct me to
[4:57:14] do the election or you have that 45 day
[4:57:17] window to indeed go through this process
[4:57:20] and make your selection and so um that's
[4:57:23] my first question for you this evening
[4:57:25] that um you know we just need to
[4:57:27] establish in on the record um this
[4:57:31] evening is um does is there anyone here
[4:57:35] that uh would like to direct me to
[4:57:38] conduct a special election if so we'll
[4:57:39] need to talk about
[4:57:42] it gotcha anyone
[4:57:44] [Music]
[4:57:47] here okay we agreed on the retreat yeah
[4:57:52] right we just have to say it out public
[4:57:55] and affirm that um so it sounds like we
[4:57:58] are going to go ahead with an
[4:57:59] appointment process so we need to talk
[4:58:01] about what that looks like um in next
[4:58:03] steps so that staff can prepare this for
[4:58:06] you um here are some yes and no
[4:58:09] questions that we have prepared for you
[4:58:11] just to keep things as straightforward
[4:58:13] as possible um the first yes or no
[4:58:16] question is would you like a letter of
[4:58:18] interest from uh folks who are
[4:58:21] interested in uh running for the
[4:58:23] position yes or no you think that's an
[4:58:26] important piece yes I'm hearing all
[4:58:30] yeses Stacy can a point of clarification
[4:58:33] right for a regularly scheduled election
[4:58:37] it's packet pickup and um petition
[4:58:40] correct yeah it's it's called a
[4:58:42] candidate affidavit um that would
[4:58:45] suffice with regard to a letter of
[4:58:47] interest
[4:58:49] here interest just somebody saying I am
[4:58:51] interested in applying for the
[4:58:54] appointment or something to that effect
[4:58:55] okay the one lineer yeah exact it
[4:58:57] doesn't need to be much more than that
[4:59:01] um then yes the next yes or no question
[4:59:04] as well and um council member held I
[4:59:06] know you're online as well I want to
[4:59:07] make sure you have the opportunity to
[4:59:09] pipe as well um then we would have an
[4:59:13] application um this General application
[4:59:16] what we would like to do is um Host this
[4:59:18] online just to reduce our paper and just
[4:59:21] keep things you know expedient if there
[4:59:23] was someone that was insistent upon
[4:59:25] using a paper application we could
[4:59:27] absolutely print that for someone in
[4:59:29] order to uh make sure that there's
[4:59:31] Equitable access to this but um it would
[4:59:34] be on mainly online and it would contain
[4:59:38] uh general questions regarding ing you
[4:59:40] know how long have you lived here what's
[4:59:42] your in why are you interested in
[4:59:43] becoming on Town Council but I'm also
[4:59:45] open uh here this evening to you know if
[4:59:48] there's any really important and crucial
[4:59:50] points that you would like to make sure
[4:59:51] that this
[4:59:52] application um you know asks and
[4:59:55] solicits for from these
[4:59:59] folks any direction for Stacy or go with
[5:00:02] what plan she's been working on we also
[5:00:05] have a question already queued up for
[5:00:07] like Community things like Community
[5:00:08] involvement or professional experience
[5:00:10] that these people would feel would help
[5:00:11] them on Town
[5:00:13] Council if that helps that helps and
[5:00:17] then we would need to make sure
[5:00:18] obviously that they reside in the Brisco
[5:00:20] Town limits and that they're of age and
[5:00:22] things like that those will be uh
[5:00:24] questions of application as
[5:00:27] well okay and then council member held I
[5:00:31] just want to make sure check in with
[5:00:34] you any additional
[5:00:38] comments no additional comments I have
[5:00:41] faith that you'll bring forward a good
[5:00:44] process for us to choose okay than you
[5:00:48] just wanted to make sure you felt
[5:00:50] included um so the uh last portion here
[5:00:55] for you all to decide um is would you
[5:00:59] like for there to be this element of a
[5:01:02] petition now um Community uh candidate
[5:01:06] petitions uh nomination petitions
[5:01:08] they're called are generally used when
[5:01:11] there's Municipal elections you all know
[5:01:13] this because that's what you all went
[5:01:15] through in order to access the ballot as
[5:01:17] a candidate during uh the last uh
[5:01:19] regular municipal election that got you
[5:01:22] here and so um this is something that
[5:01:24] you all have kind of mold around and I
[5:01:26] just wanted to make sure if you'd like
[5:01:28] to move forward with this component um
[5:01:31] you know setting a number of signatures
[5:01:34] you know it's 25 uh for a regular
[5:01:37] municipal election that's what you all
[5:01:39] had to get of registered Frisco
[5:01:42] electors um you know of note um
[5:01:46] generally you can only sign as a a
[5:01:48] Frisco uh resident and registered
[5:01:50] elector you can only sign the number of
[5:01:52] petitions for the number of seats
[5:01:53] available um and so in this case if we
[5:01:56] would be consistent with that uh Frisco
[5:01:58] registered electors would only be able
[5:02:00] to sign one person's petition um and I
[5:02:02] of course cross check that and as
[5:02:04] petitions come in I would take the first
[5:02:07] signature on the first petition uh from
[5:02:10] that person and so is that something
[5:02:13] that would you like to move forward with
[5:02:14] a petition if so I do have a kind of a
[5:02:18] timeline that we could advertise to the
[5:02:20] public to make sure that it's clear or
[5:02:22] would you rather just do letters of
[5:02:24] Interest application process uh alone up
[5:02:27] to you
[5:02:30] all I'm interested in uh pursuing a
[5:02:35] petition I like the
[5:02:37] idea okay sure
[5:02:42] petition Andy they're all in the room uh
[5:02:45] agreeing with you as well so it sounds
[5:02:47] like that's uh unanimous so thank you
[5:02:49] for that um is 25 uh your number or
[5:02:53] would you like to set a different uh
[5:02:55] minimum number Stacy is 25 yeah stand I
[5:03:01] feel it should just follow P keep it
[5:03:05] consistent okay all right
[5:03:08] um so your potential time frame and I'll
[5:03:11] go into this in a little with actual
[5:03:13] dates uh on the next slide um but your
[5:03:16] potential time frame of what you're
[5:03:18] looking at here in order to make sure
[5:03:19] that you're making your selection within
[5:03:21] that 45-day window is you would uh
[5:03:23] conduct interviews uh publicly at your
[5:03:26] early February meeting then you would uh
[5:03:29] make your decision and announcement at
[5:03:31] the late February meeting which would
[5:03:33] get us in time for that 45 days and then
[5:03:36] uh we would swear in the new council
[5:03:38] member and and they would actually serve
[5:03:42] and sit at their first meeting which
[5:03:43] would be the early March meeting and so
[5:03:46] here's a little bit better more detailed
[5:03:48] of what that looks like um and I can
[5:03:51] actually edit this slide or tweak things
[5:03:53] as well if if you all don't like any of
[5:03:55] this but um so right now working from
[5:03:58] today okay we've accepted and
[5:04:00] acknowledged that uh council member
[5:04:02] heleno is indeed uh resigning and we're
[5:04:05] getting direction today on the vacancy
[5:04:07] process as of tomorrow by 10:00 a.m. I
[5:04:10] can absolutely have uh you know
[5:04:12] informational packets available at the
[5:04:14] front desk of town hall and we can have
[5:04:17] the form up on the website as
[5:04:19] well um I would appreciate the 10: am
[5:04:22] and not 8 am just I have a couple hours
[5:04:24] to get all this done for you all but um
[5:04:26] I'm optimistic that we can get this done
[5:04:29] um we also would need time to make sure
[5:04:31] that we can uh team up with our
[5:04:33] Communications folks and make sure we
[5:04:34] can get the word out um in all the ways
[5:04:37] possible um so feu 5th that would bring
[5:04:40] us to um so that's about a 3- week
[5:04:43] timeline for folks potentially to grab
[5:04:46] their packets grab their petition
[5:04:48] template and go out there and solicit
[5:04:51] for
[5:04:52] signatures um so February 5th is what we
[5:04:54] were kind of proposing as a due date do
[5:04:56] you all feel like that's a sufficient
[5:04:58] amount of time in order to gather up the
[5:05:00] 25 signatures that you designated are
[5:05:07] needed I think it puts window I mean
[5:05:11] it's tight window
[5:05:15] yeah I'm looking at it backwards where
[5:05:19] February 11th you want us to be educated
[5:05:21] on the
[5:05:23] candidates so this is going to give us
[5:05:25] four or five days that we really don't
[5:05:27] have the ability to stretch that fifth
[5:05:31] sixth seventh cure period much later or
[5:05:34] else it's going to be really hard for us
[5:05:35] to have time to look at you also be
[5:05:36] conducting interviews at the February
[5:05:38] 11th meeting and order to get the
[5:05:40] candidates get to know the candidates
[5:05:41] even more me it's not a lot of time but
[5:05:44] none of this is a lot of time so yeah
[5:05:46] the only way you could stretch the
[5:05:48] middle out at all is if you conducted
[5:05:51] interviews and made your selection on
[5:05:54] the 25th which would which gives you
[5:05:58] about a week and a half play in the
[5:06:00] middle there but it's kind of a decision
[5:06:03] do you want interviews and then two
[5:06:05] weeks to decide who it's going be or or
[5:06:09] do you want to do it all in one
[5:06:12] meeting no no okay I have I have one
[5:06:16] sets now have an opinion that's too much
[5:06:18] to do in one meeting yep
[5:06:21] okay council member H do you have any
[5:06:23] input I just have a question what if uh
[5:06:26] someone comes to us for a signature
[5:06:30] individually are we allowed to sign a
[5:06:33] petition yes
[5:06:36] absolutely okay
[5:06:40] I think the timeline is fine other than
[5:06:43] being uh tight you know I think a week
[5:06:47] is is fine for us to uh decide hopefully
[5:06:51] we don't have 50 people to choose
[5:06:56] from thank you so just to keep moving
[5:07:00] forward just so you can kind of see how
[5:07:02] this is all playing out um and we can
[5:07:05] eliminate this if you want if you do not
[5:07:07] want to allow people to cure their
[5:07:09] petition you don't have to um but I was
[5:07:12] just thinking from a consistency point
[5:07:14] of view because when someone is um you
[5:07:16] know soliciting for signatures to
[5:07:18] certify uh to the ballot uh typically
[5:07:21] during an election they do have the
[5:07:23] opportunity to cure in other words let's
[5:07:25] say they got 26 signatures but three of
[5:07:27] those folks were actually not on the
[5:07:28] voter roles for Frisco maybe they live
[5:07:31] in Bill's Ranch maybe they forgot to
[5:07:32] register vote whatever the case may be
[5:07:35] um that person would hear from me and I
[5:07:38] would let them know hey need to grab
[5:07:40] this many more signatures in order to
[5:07:43] and then they would have a basically a
[5:07:44] second chance if you will to resubmit
[5:07:47] and get them over that line um so we are
[5:07:50] thinking Thursday February 6th and Feb
[5:07:53] uh excuse me Friday the 7th because
[5:07:55] you're actually your packet for the 11th
[5:07:57] has to go out on Friday the 7th so um
[5:08:01] we're you know so I need to make sure I
[5:08:02] include only the folks that qualify in
[5:08:05] your packet um so that's the the story
[5:08:09] behind the February 6th and 7th that
[5:08:11] quick quick cure period is kind of
[5:08:15] necessary it's only fair
[5:08:18] okay all right sounds like everybody's
[5:08:22] thumbs up um so February 11th that's
[5:08:25] your first regular meeting that you have
[5:08:28] in the month of February that is where
[5:08:30] we will absolutely slate for you on your
[5:08:32] agenda that you will review the
[5:08:34] applications and conduct uh interviews
[5:08:37] for the folks that are interested
[5:08:40] um and you know we'll help you we'll
[5:08:42] help make sure that these folks
[5:08:44] understand that they need to be here and
[5:08:46] um be ready for that um we can also help
[5:08:50] you all come up with a specific list of
[5:08:52] questions things like that when the time
[5:08:54] comes um February 25th so this is your
[5:08:59] uh that later regular meeting um the
[5:09:03] February 28th is actually your 45 day
[5:09:05] cut off here so February 25th is that
[5:09:07] last regular meeting within the 45 days
[5:09:10] stipulated by the charter and this is
[5:09:12] where you would announce the selected
[5:09:15] candidate you you would have two weeks
[5:09:17] to kind of mul things over um March 11th
[5:09:21] is where this person would be sworn in
[5:09:23] um and they would actually sit and begin
[5:09:26] their service alongside you as uh the
[5:09:29] newest Frisco Town council member of
[5:09:31] note uh this uh person if they are
[5:09:34] interested in continuing this service
[5:09:36] would have to rerun at the next uh
[5:09:38] regular municipal election
[5:09:40] which is in um the spring of 2026 the
[5:09:43] first Tuesday in April of
[5:09:45] 2026 which would be true of an
[5:09:46] appointment for an
[5:09:48] election
[5:09:52] only any blaring concerns right now with
[5:09:57] this this we are going to go off your
[5:10:00] direction tonight and really get a move
[5:10:02] on this
[5:10:03] and is there a v plan as well we don't
[5:10:08] necessarily have a plan other then we
[5:10:09] know we have a wonderful Communications
[5:10:11] team that um we've definitely already
[5:10:13] communicated and said this is coming
[5:10:15] down the pike and um they're ready to to
[5:10:18] T I don't want to speak on their behalf
[5:10:19] but I think they're more than able and
[5:10:21] willing to
[5:10:23] help com please uh Stacy I want to thank
[5:10:28] you your team and all the staff that are
[5:10:30] really hustling to get something done so
[5:10:33] quickly to make sure we're complying
[5:10:35] with Charter so it's it's pce fast right
[5:10:38] there thank you
[5:10:40] absolutely thank
[5:10:41] you I also want to say in in the off
[5:10:44] chance that Lisa is listening or ever
[5:10:47] listens to this meeting um she and I
[5:10:49] definitely did not agree on everything
[5:10:52] uh but she was great to serve with so
[5:10:55] you know these are Big Sho big shoes
[5:10:56] wonderful shoes responsible shoes to
[5:10:59] fill um so I look forward to taking on
[5:11:01] the responsibility but I want her to if
[5:11:04] anybody speaks with her um as she's
[5:11:07] progressing with her life choices
[5:11:09] um that we we I send her my
[5:11:15] best great and to follow that up I have
[5:11:19] been speaking with her I will speak with
[5:11:21] her again thank you Andy um I wanted to
[5:11:24] acknowledge staff's organization to put
[5:11:26] this together for us and have a timeline
[5:11:28] figured out have anticipated a number of
[5:11:30] questions that we've already had that
[5:11:32] you answered before we got a chance to
[5:11:34] ask so thank you for that and then
[5:11:36] through my conversations with Lisa I
[5:11:38] wanted to share that Lisa's had a lot of
[5:11:41] things going on in her life for the last
[5:11:43] several months and I want everyone to
[5:11:45] understand that this decision to resign
[5:11:47] is up there with the rest of her
[5:11:49] different life challenges that she's had
[5:11:51] um in the last few months and most
[5:11:54] importantly while she values the
[5:11:56] relationship she's created with our
[5:11:58] group she couldn't be more happy she you
[5:12:02] guys know she was a former teacher her
[5:12:05] experiences with our staff over her time
[5:12:08] um not only as a business owner but as a
[5:12:10] council member is something she'll is
[5:12:12] she can't pay us back um she really
[5:12:14] appreciates the relationships and how
[5:12:16] kind and thoughtful that staff has been
[5:12:18] with her on boarding and through her
[5:12:20] work in the town over the last several
[5:12:22] years so thanks to everyone from
[5:12:26] L anything else on this one I don't have
[5:12:30] anything else if you don't I don't okay
[5:12:33] um thank
[5:12:34] you so with that no further action to be
[5:12:37] taken on new business we're going to
[5:12:38] move on to old business which is agenda
[5:12:41] item number three a second reading of
[5:12:43] ordinance 24-11 an ordinance amending
[5:12:46] chapters 10 and 20 of the code of
[5:12:49] ordinances of the town of Frisco
[5:12:51] Colorado concerning respectfully the
[5:12:54] towns council members and
[5:12:58] mayor and Town's elections and the
[5:13:01] change to deadline for the filling of an
[5:13:04] a filing of an Affidavit of intent to be
[5:13:07] a writing candidate for for Municipal
[5:13:10] elections and to revise the procedure
[5:13:13] for cancelling an election in in order
[5:13:18] to be consistent with the Colorado
[5:13:20] statutes I didn't know that would be so
[5:13:22] long um and with that I think we're back
[5:13:25] to Stacy y Stacy ntown clerk for the
[5:13:28] record so um this evening there has been
[5:13:31] no changes um since your first reading
[5:13:34] at your last meeting and I'm available
[5:13:36] if you have any questions
[5:13:41] Andy you
[5:13:43] good great thank you Stacy uh back to
[5:13:46] council for any other comments here or
[5:13:49] questions public
[5:13:52] comments any public comments on agenda
[5:13:54] item number three in
[5:13:58] Council no any
[5:14:01] online no Mr CH no thank you with that
[5:14:04] it's back to council for any further
[5:14:06] discussion or a motion Mr Mayor I move
[5:14:08] the we approve um agenda item number
[5:14:12] three second reading of ordinance
[5:14:15] 24-11 second
[5:14:17] oh we have a motion in a second please
[5:14:21] call the question Kibby yes Adrian yes
[5:14:25] Allan yes inin yes arenson yes held yes
[5:14:30] and hink
[5:14:33] go
[5:14:36] okay so with that we're going to move on
[5:14:39] to our next item of business which is
[5:14:41] we're going to recess a
[5:14:43] regular meeting of The Frisco Town
[5:14:46] Council and we're going to open a
[5:14:48] meeting of
[5:14:50] The Frisco Community Housing Development
[5:14:53] Authority meeting and with that let's
[5:14:55] have a roll call all right Allan here
[5:14:58] inin here Aronson scrj Adrian Kibby held
[5:15:05] here and hink
[5:15:07] go with that we'll open it up to any uh
[5:15:11] public comment on the Housing Authority
[5:15:16] business public comment in Council
[5:15:18] public comment
[5:15:20] online nope
[5:15:24] okay that brings us to our next item of
[5:15:27] business is going to be the cons the
[5:15:29] consent agenda for the housing
[5:15:32] authority and with that if anyone has
[5:15:35] any questions or a
[5:15:37] motion and consent is minutes from our
[5:15:40] last
[5:15:44] meeting Mr actually it's actually the
[5:15:47] resolution designating the place for
[5:15:49] posting of
[5:15:51] notices the first the the first annual
[5:15:54] post it's January yep okay so minutes
[5:15:59] and the posting of our meetings in
[5:16:02] public spaces thank you
[5:16:07] Todd I'll make a motion to approve as
[5:16:10] stated second we have a motion to
[5:16:14] approve the consent agenda and a second
[5:16:15] please call the question yes yes Allan
[5:16:20] yes incin yes Aron yes held yeso ask
[5:16:26] great we'll move on to a new business
[5:16:28] with the housing authority
[5:16:31] and with that's going to be lesie and I
[5:16:34] don't have any other further stuff right
[5:16:36] in front of me so that's I got no more
[5:16:38] for
[5:16:42] good evening Commissioners we have three
[5:16:45] items on your new business which all
[5:16:47] relate to the financing of Workforce
[5:16:50] housing um so to start with the first
[5:16:52] item of new business we have an approval
[5:16:54] for the engagement of Butler snow this
[5:16:57] is Bond Council that uh we have as the
[5:17:00] town of Frisco previously worked with
[5:17:03] they uh served as Bond Council for the
[5:17:05] granite Park project uh that was
[5:17:08] financed in 2023 and we've had good
[5:17:10] experience with Butler snow as our bond
[5:17:12] Council and staff recommends the
[5:17:15] approval of an engagement agreement with
[5:17:17] them as related to the project at 602
[5:17:24] Galina do this I it should probably be
[5:17:26] individual motions yes so there's your
[5:17:29] first item you want to show that to me
[5:17:31] I'll make a motion
[5:17:34] yeah first item well do you want to go
[5:17:37] through the comment question comments
[5:17:39] wise remarks we didn't hit public
[5:17:41] comment as I'm going through the agenda
[5:17:44] so I want to briefly state or Lesly if
[5:17:46] you'll bear with us open it up any
[5:17:49] public or did I go to public you did no
[5:17:51] I Justus I'm sorry are you ready for a
[5:17:54] motion we
[5:17:57] are since this was
[5:17:59] just I move that we approve the
[5:18:01] engagement of Butler snow
[5:18:10] thanks Lesley with that we have a motion
[5:18:11] in a second when we're ready we can call
[5:18:15] Leno is absent Kibby
[5:18:17] yes yes Allan yes in yes yes H
[5:18:30] yes with that let's move on to our it's
[5:18:34] g i heard
[5:18:36] three there
[5:18:40] so it's agenda item number two for the
[5:18:43] Housing Authority approval of Engagement
[5:18:46] of Piper Sandler and Co as underwriter
[5:18:49] replacement agent for the frisco
[5:18:51] Community Housing Development
[5:18:53] Authority so this second engagement
[5:18:56] agreement is related to Piper Sandler
[5:18:58] they are um Underwriters or replacement
[5:19:01] agent um for financing of um any kind of
[5:19:05] debt but in in this case for the
[5:19:07] authority um we as the town of Frisco I
[5:19:11] don't believe have done business with
[5:19:13] Piper Sandler however um as part of the
[5:19:16] process of 62 Galina there was an RFP
[5:19:19] put out um at that time that was done by
[5:19:21] nhp but also in conjunction with um the
[5:19:25] town of Frisco staff um the result of
[5:19:27] that RFP was the selection of Piper
[5:19:30] Sandler related to their fees um and
[5:19:33] their recommended structure of the
[5:19:35] financing and staff recommends the
[5:19:37] approval of Eng agement with Piper s for
[5:19:40] financing got it thank you any questions
[5:19:43] for
[5:19:45] Lesley I'm back on track Stacy no public
[5:19:48] comment any public comment in Chambers
[5:19:52] any
[5:19:53] online back to council for any further
[5:19:56] discussion or a motion Mr Mayor I move
[5:19:58] that we approve the engagement of Piper
[5:19:59] Sandler and Company as under writer
[5:20:02] placement
[5:20:06] agent great we have a motion and a
[5:20:08] second please call the question H yes m
[5:20:11] is absent Kibby yes CJ Adrien yes Allan
[5:20:15] yes in yes arenson
[5:20:18] yes great thank you and then we're on to
[5:20:21] agenda item number
[5:20:24] three that's interesting
[5:20:27] um I'm I have a title I'm gonna read it
[5:20:30] of resolution 25-2 of resolution
[5:20:33] expressing the intent of The Frisco
[5:20:35] Community Housing Development Authority
[5:20:37] to be reimbursed for certain Capital
[5:20:39] expenditures associated with the
[5:20:41] financing of a Workforce housing
[5:20:45] project so this is also related to
[5:20:48] financing and the purpose of this
[5:20:49] resolution would allow um for any
[5:20:53] expenses that occur between the dates of
[5:20:55] the resolution and the date that we
[5:20:57] close on our financing for the authority
[5:21:00] to be reimbursed from that financing for
[5:21:02] the costs that occur between that those
[5:21:04] time periods got it thank you
[5:21:09] adopt that resolution any questions for
[5:21:13] lesie no any public comment in
[5:21:16] Chambers any online no thank you um with
[5:21:20] that back to council for discussion or a
[5:21:24] motion Mr Mayor I approve we I move that
[5:21:27] we approve resolution
[5:21:31] 25-2
[5:21:33] second great we have a motion in a
[5:21:35] second please call the question arenson
[5:21:38] yes held yes Leno is absent Kibby yes
[5:21:43] scrap Che Adrien yes Allan yes inin
[5:21:47] yes great thanks
[5:21:51] Cy and that is our last item on the
[5:21:54] agenda for
[5:21:57] the frisco Community Development housing
[5:22:01] authority and with that we're going to
[5:22:03] close this meeting and we're going to go
[5:22:06] back to our regular meeting of The
[5:22:07] Frisco Town Council
[5:22:09] in un adjourn I think you have to have a
[5:22:12] motion to adjourn the yeah the Housing
[5:22:16] Authority First Mr Mr Mayor I make a
[5:22:18] motion to adjourn
[5:22:20] housing we have a motion to adjourn
[5:22:23] second all in
[5:22:25] favor right now we're back coming out
[5:22:29] coming out of the Housing Authority now
[5:22:31] we're back in council
[5:22:34] meeting a motion to move into executive
[5:22:36] session yes
[5:22:46] motion that we move into executive
[5:22:48] session pursuant to you have
[5:22:51] to statute sorry have to
[5:22:56] change
[5:22:58] um here yeah thank
[5:23:00] you um Mr may I make a motion that we
[5:23:03] move to Executive session pursu uh to CR
[5:23:07] s section 2 4-6
[5:23:10] 424b concerning Conference of attorneys
[5:23:13] for the town to receive legal advice and
[5:23:16] specific legal questions related to the
[5:23:17] development agreements for certain real
[5:23:19] estate property owned by the town and
[5:23:22] known as 602 Galina Street and pursuant
[5:23:25] to CRS section 2246
[5:23:29] 424e to determine positions relative to
[5:23:32] matters that may be subject to
[5:23:33] negotiations to develop strategy for
[5:23:35] negotiations and to instruct
[5:23:37] negotiations concerning the development
[5:23:39] agreement for certain real estate
[5:23:40] property owned by the town and known as
[5:23:43] 602 galita
[5:23:45] street thank you we have a motion do we
[5:23:47] have a second
[5:23:50] second and then now it's we're going to
[5:23:52] Executive station all those in favor
[5:23:56] hi is it a roll
[5:23:58] call oh you want to do a roll call
[5:24:00] though because we have to have a certain
[5:24:01] number so we just want to make sure oh
[5:24:03] absolutely yeah roll call your roll call
[5:24:06] vote on moving into the executive
[5:24:08] session
[5:24:09] um kby yes scrap Che Adrian yes Alan yes
[5:24:14] in yes arenson yes H yes and Linko is
[5:24:18] absent okay uh just a moment uh we're
[5:24:21] gonna switch over the zooms too Andy so
[5:24:23] you got to go into that other Zoom
[5:24:27] okay oh you're muted sorry did you send
[5:24:30] me a link to that I can resend it to you
[5:24:33] okay thank you yep see you soon