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Hello everybody.
It's good to see everyone here today

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attending uh this meeting uh for the
business of our town. You're certainly

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quite welcome. Uh, I am Mayor William
Harris and as we always I'm I'm calling

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the meeting to order and would you
please stand for the invocation. Thank

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you.

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Heavenly Father, we are grateful for
this day. We are dependent on your grace

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and mercy as we welcome this opportunity
to conduct the business of the town of

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Fugquway Arena. Grant each of us wisdom
and insight as we seek to respond to the

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needs of our community and citizens.
Help us to maintain encouragement,

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always abiding in your promises that
through humility and obedience, your

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will can be expressed through us.
Let us each be teachable as we learn how

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to be better elected officials for the
citizens of our community. We humbly

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pray. Amen.
>> Amen.

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» Now we will have the pledge of
allegiance by Commissioner Charlie

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Adcock.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» Thank you. You may be seated.

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At this time, I will ask town manager
Adam Mitchell to review the meeting

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protocol for public participation as it
relates to this meeting.

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» Thank you, Mayor. Good evening. Good
evening to be uh it's good to be with

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the board this evening. Tonight's town
board meeting will be held both in

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person and livereamed on the town's
YouTube channel and Facebook page.

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Tonight's meeting includes a public
comment period and six scheduled public

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hearings. The public is invited to
comment in person. When it is the

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appropriate time, Mayor Harris will call
on those wishing to address the town

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board. All attendees who have appeared
in person to address the town board

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during the public comment period should
provide their name and address on the

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green registration sheet by the podium
before the public comment period begins.

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All attendees who appear in person to
address the town board during a

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scheduled public hearing should provide
their name and address on the white

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registration sheet by the podium. We ask
all those wishing to address the town

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board either during the public comment
period or a scheduled public hearing to

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begin their comments by clearly stating
their name and address for the public

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record. The public is asked to keep all
comments to three minutes so that all

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who wish to speak may be heard in a
timely manner. To be respectful of those

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who may have different views on matters
addressed by the town board, we ask that

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all in attendance respect the decorum of
the meeting by refraining from clapping,

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making loud noises, and generally
showing support or displeasure for

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comments made during the public comment
period or public hearings. Police Chief

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Smith will be asked to escort from the
boardroom anyone not respecting the

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process. And it is the discretion of the
mayor as presiding officer whether to

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continue the public comment and or
public hearing periods if the meeting

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protocol is not followed. And this
concludes the protocol for tonight's

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meeting.
>> Thank you, Mr. Manager. Thank you.

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» Item 3A,
approval of the minutes of the August

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3rd meeting town board of commissioner
regular our regular schedule meeting. Do

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I have a motion to approve those
minutes? Are are there any corrections?

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» Mr. Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to
approve the minutes of the August 3rd,

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2026 Town Board of Commissioner regular
schedule meeting as presented.

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» Second.
>> Second.

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» Any discussion?
If not, all in favor of the motion, let

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it be known by saying I.
>> I.

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» Any oppose? Eyes have it. Motion
carries. Thank you so much.

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With the next item, item 4A,
it gives me great pleasure to introduce

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the mayor's health and wellness council.
Uh one of the things that uh is so

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exciting about um this agenda item for
me is that uh for several years I worked

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with the division of mental health and
substance abuse and intellectual

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developmental disabilities.
And one of the things that I I learned

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in that capacity
is the number of of people, citizens,

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residents who have needs oftent times
that are ignored or either they have

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difficulty coming forth because of the
stigma often associated with the

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vulnerabilities that result from mental
health challenges or other challenges as

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well as those physical health
challenges. that impact a lot of

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communities. So I I broke it down as a
as a as a elected official who's

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committed to
providing

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a sense of leadership and direction to
talk about the issue of health in our

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community. It it it breaks down very
simple. If you have a healthy

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individual, there's a good possibility
you'll have a healthy family. And if you

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have a healthy family, you'll have a
health healthy community. So out of that

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desire, I was fortunate enough to be
sort of introduced or led to people who

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had the same mindset, who had a vision
of what this could be in regards to a

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mayor's initiative to keep to the
forefront of the public the importance

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of mental health, the importance of
physical health, and the importance of

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primary care for a community.
Because we as elected officials, we can

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promagate legislation. We can do those
kinds of things, but the direct impact

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on the quality of life in a community is
associated with the health of a

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community. And as mayor, I wanted to
convey that message to the community at

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large through a mayor's health council.
And we have some members of that council

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who are here today who I would love to
introduce if uh they would come forth

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and I want you to meet a couple of
members of the council. We have five

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members. We have two present today and I
I want them to introduce themselves

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briefly so you can talk about what the
[clears throat] health council has been

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doing over the last six months. We've
done a lot in the area of prevention,

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intervention, advocacy, as well as
bringing forth a lot of conversation

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about the importance of community health
or either a healthy community. So, I'd

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like to introduce Dr. Don Johannes and
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And if um you all want to say something
briefly about yourselves to the

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community, I would appreciate it. Couple
of minutes and you can use the mic

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there. Is that o is that okay? Um Scott.
Yeah. Good.

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» Scott have you.
>> Um good evening everyone. Good evening

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Mayor Harris. Good evening town board
members. And good evening Fuqua Verina

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community. It is a pleasure and a sheer
delight for us to be here. I am a

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retired high school educator. I am a
wellness coach. I am a breast cancer

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survivor and I am a fugqua vinian.
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And I just want to talk about um
basically the the council was

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established in February of this year and
we are still a work in progress. But

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there's one thing that we as our council
members we hold on to is one simple

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belief. And that belief that we hold on
to is that when Fquay Verina is healthy,

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Fquaver Varina is stronger. How many of
us want a stronger Fugqua Verina? A

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healthier frauina
that offers a quality of life. So I'm

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going to decrease but to let you know we
are working diligently. We are working

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consistently. We have attended several
uh fugqua verina events. Uh we are

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planning some dynamic events. We have a
dynamic

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diverse council of professional
experienced knowledgeable

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individuals who are concerned about the
health of fquay verinians. Thank you so

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much for this opportunity and now I
shall defer it to my colleague.

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» Thank you.
>> Good evening everybody. My name is Dr.

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Priyanka Pantila. I'm a dentist and an
owner at United Smiles Family Dental

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right here in Fugway. As a healthc care
provider, I see that the health everyday

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health does begin at our homes. Um not
in healthcare facilities. It begins it

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at our homes and our daily choices and
at senior centers. So this is what the

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council is all about. It's about
reaching to people before the illness

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does. I'm really honored to work along
with uh Mayor Harris and the team to

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help build a healthier fugu verina for
every family and every child and every

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senior who calls this town home. Thank
you so much. I'm really looking forward

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to work with you, mayor. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much. Have a good one.

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» Thank you. Thank you so much. [applause]
I appreciate you so much.

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» We have one more person who is absent,
Andy Curtis, who works with the uh Wake

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mental health. Uh she is not here. She's
a community liaison who has volunteered

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and and and uh one other person, Chai,
uh is not here as well. But we have

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currently four outstanding volunteers
who are helping to ignite this

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initiative that I think is going to be
and I really believe from the bottom of

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my heart beneficial to all the citizens
here in Fugqua Verina. So thank you.

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Thank you very much. Thank you all so
much for your time. Thank you.

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And and now I'm going to move to item
4B, presentations. A resolution, fire

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department, fire helmet retirement
presentation,

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battalion chief William Garland
Johnston, and fire captain uh number two

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Sam Golitly. More information about this
agenda item will be presented by Fire

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Chief Jones.
>> Good evening. Good evening, mayor,

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commissioners, managers.
>> Um thank you for uh allowing us to to be

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here tonight. Uh tonight we recognize
two extraordinary leaders who after more

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than 50 years of combined service to our
community have decided to hang up their

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boots, give their bodies some rest, and
spend some more quality time with their

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families. Uh Battalion Chief Garland
Johnston and Captain Sam Gollightly.

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On July 29th, family, friends, and staff
gathered at Fire Station 4 to celebrate

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the service of Battalion Chief Garland
Johnston. And just a short eight days

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later on August the 6th, family,
friends, and staff gathered again at

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Fire Station 4 to celebrate the service
of Captain Sam Gollightly.

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Since Since both requested the same menu
and the same program,

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quite a few cheeseburgers, baked beans,
and chips were prepared and eaten at

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station 4 over a very short 8-day
period. Um, but I want to thank each one

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of you who were able to attend and show
your support for these two class acts,

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and it truly meant a lot to both of
them. And while those lunches gave us

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time to reminisce, laugh, and share some
stories, tonight is an opportunity to

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formally honor their service to the
town.

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For more than 30 years, with 25 of them
being right here in Fugquway Arena,

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Battalion Chief Johnston has faithfully
protected our community while helping to

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lead our department through years of
incredible growth. Over the years, Chief

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Johnston has earned multiple department
awards and citations, was named our

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employee of the year in 2005, and
promoted to battalion chief in 2010.

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Garland has educated countless
firefighters on the importance of being

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prepared and training the next
generation to ensure everyone goes home

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safely at the end of their shift. And
for more than 26 years of dedicated

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service as both a career and a volunteer
firefighter, Captain Gollightly has

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faithfully answered the call when needed
while serving with true professionalism

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since day one. Throughout his career,
Captain Gollightly has also earned

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numerous department awards and
citations. Was named our employee of the

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year in 2015 and promoted to captain in
2010. Sam has trained and mentored

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numerous firefighters over the years and
has never lost the true excitement and

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the twinkle in his eye when responding
to someone in need. They both have

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definitely left their mark on our town
and our department. And although the

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years of service are milestones, the
real impact of these two professionals

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is how they treated people. They have
helped shape the culture in our

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stations, cared for and protected our
community, and mentored just about

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everyone that served with them. And for
me personally, they have been two good

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friends that I will miss dearly.
Mayor, before I move to the resolution,

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I would like to give each one of our
retirees a moment to share a few

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remarks, starting with uh Chief
Johnston, then Captain Gollightly.

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Go on.
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mayor, managers, citizens, guys. Uh,
look, what a what a privilege and an

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honor it has been to work for this town
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Um I
so many dedicated educated professionals

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have worked alongside with you all um to
make it so I could have the career that

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I've had. So uh it's it's it's been an
honor and a privilege to work with you

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all. Um, you all take care of us and all
these people here, directors from or to

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the lowly bottom person that just got
hired at Parks and Wreck to do ball

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games. Um, everybody makes this town
run. Um, and we just we have a great

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group of people here and I just I'm so
tickled to death that I have been able

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to make a career and that every person
here has really played a hand in it. Uh

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thank you. [snorts]
Thank you for Thank you. [applause]

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[applause]
Thank you to everyone.

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» That's what I needed to write on this.
>> See, I'm not as good as you, darling.

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[clears throat] I have I have to do
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As I retire from the town of Fraver
Arena after 26 years

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of service, including serving as a
captain, I want to take a moment to

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thank each of you for your support of
our department.

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When I began my career with the town as
a firefighter, everyone at the fire

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department was very welcoming and
supportive.

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It was a very short time after that I
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that they weren't just my friends, they
had become my family

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and I'm forever grateful for that.
It has been an honor and a privilege to

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serve this community alongside them.
Your continued support has helped us

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provide the highest level of service to
the citizens of Fugquway Verina. Thank

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you all for your partnership, your
trust, and your commitment to our

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department. Thank you and God bless
everybody.

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» Thank you so much, [applause]

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» gentlemen. Thank you both.
Okay. in

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recognition of their dedication and
service and in accordance with North

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Carolina General Statute 16A 294.1,
both men have met all stipulated

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requirements and have formally requested
to keep their assigned structural fire

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helmets for retirement.
There are there are separate official

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resolutions for each of these retirees,
but I will combine um the two into one

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reading. A resolution adopted by the
board of commissioners of the town of

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Fuway Arena, North Carolina, authorizing
the award of a structural fire helmet in

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recognition of retirement from the
Fugquway Vina Fire Department.

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Whereas William Garland Johnston began
his fire and emergency services career

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with the town of Fuway Verina Fire
Department on August 5th, 2001. And

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Samuel Irwin Golley III began his fire
and emergency services career with the

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town of Fuway Verina Fire Department on
August 7th, 2000. And whereas after

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distinguished service to the town of
Fuqua Marina and the fire department,

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both have submitted their intentions to
retire effective September 1st, 2026.

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And whereas North Carolina General
Statute 160A

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294.1
provides that the governing body of a

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municipal fire department may in its
discretion award a retiring member upon

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his or her retirement their assigned
structural fire helmet. Now therefore,

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be it resolved by the board of
commissioners of the town of Fugquway

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Verina, North Carolina, that William
Garland Johnston and Samuel Irwin Golley

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III are hereby awarded their structural
fire helmets for $1 in recognition of

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their honorable and dedicated service to
the citizens of Fugquway Arena. These

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resolutions of the town of Fuqua Verina
Board of Commissioners are hereby

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adopted this 18th day of August in the
year of 2026 in Fugquway Arena, North

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Carolina. And should these resolutions
be adopted tonight, they will be signed

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by Mayor Harris for the town of Fuqua
Vina.

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So, mayor, tonight there is a
recommended motion and the motion is to

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adopt the resolutions authorizing the
award of the structural fire helmets to

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Battalion Chief Garland William Garland
Johnston and fire captain to Samuel

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Gollightly in recognition of their
retirement from the town of Fuwayina

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Fire Department as presented and
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» What is your pleasure,
>> Mr. Mayor? I make a motion to adopt the

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resolutions authorizing the award of the
structural fire helmets to Battalion

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Chief William Garland Johnson and Fire
Chief 2 Samuel Gollightly in recognition

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of their retirement from the town of
Faino Fire Department as presented and

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recommended.
>> Second.

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» It's been moved and second.
Any discussion on the motion?

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All those in favor of the motion, let it
be known by saying I.

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» I.
>> Any oppose?

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» Eyes have it. Let me say one thing
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Um,
it's so powerful what you all have done

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for this community. If you look around
the wall and you see these young firemen

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whose lives you have impacted,
you have impacted an entire generation,

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that's how powerful
your tenacity and staying with this

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community is and will be for so long. So
we honor you tonight for your service.

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Thank you very much. Thank you.

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[applause]

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[applause]

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[applause]

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[applause]

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» Oh yes.
Oh, thank you sir. Thank you so very

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Thank you all so much. Thank you, Chief.
I appreciate you all.

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Take down.

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And now we'll move on to
item five, public comment period.

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At this time, the town clerk will call
on individuals who are in attendance and

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have registered to address the town
board prior to the meeting. The public

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comment period is a time for the public
to address the town on any matter not

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the subject of a scheduled public
hearing. The public comment period is

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not a time for the town board to respond
or engage in back and forth conversation

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with the public. Only those who have
signed in in advance of the public

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comment period will be permitted to
address the town board.

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Those speaking are asked to begin by
clearly stating their name and address

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for the public record. Please limit your
comments to three minutes so that all

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who wish to speak may be heard in a
timely manner. Town clerk Wilder, do we

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have anyone signed up for public
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» We have one person, Annie Feny.
>> Okay.

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» Thank you.
>> Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor, commissioners,

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managers. So, I actually meant to sign
up on the white sheet. I signed up on

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the green sheet by accident. Should I
come back or should I be heard now?

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» Uh, if it's a public hearing, you you
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» I will come back when the white sheet.
>> Okay.

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» Okay.
>> All right. Thank you.

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» [clears throat]

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» Thank you. And I apologize.
>> Okay, we only have we only have one

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person.
>> Yes, she was it.

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» Oh, you may as well stay. Um, all right.
Now, we move if there are no more

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comments, we'll move to public hearings.
The public hearings are a time for the

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petitioner to present their requests for
the public to provide input and express

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their support or opposition. Public
hearings are not a time for the town

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board to respond to public input or
engage in back and forth conversation.

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» I thought we had that. Was that the
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» Oh, it six.
668.

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» That's right. But it is a public
hearing. So the mayor is reading the

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protocol for the public hearing. Is
public comment is we went through the

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public. You're you're correct. Mayor
>> misled.

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» Oh, sorry.
>> Yeah,

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» you are correct to finish reading the
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» Mayor,
>> that's okay. All right. That's all

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right. Let me start over again. Public
hearings. Public hearings are a time for

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the petitioner to present their request
and for the public to provide input and

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express their support or opposition.
Public hearings are not a time for the

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town board to respond to public input or
engage in back and forth conversation

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with the public. If you wish to speak
and are physically in attendance, please

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step forward to the podium one at a
time. Provide your name and address on

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the registration log at the podium and
clearly state your name and address for

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the public record. We ask that all who
address the town board limit their

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comments to three minutes so that all
who wish to speak may be heard in a

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timely manner. Now we are in the public
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We have items uh table from previous
meetings.

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Voluntary annexation petition for Colin
H. Grimes, Jennifer P. Grimes, David

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Charles Davis, David Davis Scott
Revokable Trust, and Rebecca Sheldon

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Davis 5441053015255,

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Wade Nash Road, ANX 202313.
Uh, more information about about this

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agenda item will be presented by
planning director Davidson.

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» Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

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» I'm submitting the agenda abstract and
supporting documents into the official

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record of the town. The combined 76.246
acre property is non-ontiguous to the

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town's corporate limits. W town water
and sewer are currently available to

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serve the subject properties. However,
both will be extended with development

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of the Elmsley subdivision. currently
under review. A fireflow test resulted

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in adequate fire flow. Town sanitation
and recycling services are available to

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serve the property. At the March 24th,
2026 meeting, the town clerk certified

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that the petition was sufficient and met
the requirements prescribed by the North

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Carolina General Statutes and the town
board adopted a resolution setting a

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public hearing for the April 7th, 2026
meeting. Prior to the April 7th meeting,

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the petitioner submitted a request and
the board approved the request to table

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the item to the June 16th, 2026 meeting.
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2026 meeting, the petitioner submitted
an additional request which the board

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approved to table the item to tonight's
meeting. Prior to tonight's meeting, the

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petitioner submitted another request to
table the public hearing to the November

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2nd, 2026 regular meeting. The present
total value of the properties being

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annexed is $5,13,032.

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The suggested motion tonight is to table
consideration of ANX 202313

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an annexation [clears throat]
ordinance to extend the corporate limits

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of the town of Fuway Verina to include
property owned by Colin H. Grimes,

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Jennifer P. Grimes, David Charles Davis,
David Davis Scott Revocable Trust, and

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Rebecca Shelton Davis. ANX 202213 and
the associated declaration of annexation

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to the November 2nd, 2026 regular town
board meeting per the request of the

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petitioner. I'm available if you have
any questions.

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» Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Uh
so the hearing is now open.

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At the at the request of the petitioner,
management and staff are recommending

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that the item be tabled and the public
hearing be continued to the November

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2nd, 2026 town board meeting. What is
the pleasure of the board?

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» Mr. Mayor, so moved.
>> Second.

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» Second.
>> All those in favor of the continuation

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of the public hearing, let it be known
by saying I.

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» I.
>> Any oppose? eyes have it. Thank you very

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much. Really appreciate that.

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The next item is item 7A,
voluntary annexation petition,

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Callis Properties LLC and Callis Family
Limited Partnership 2201225

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and a portion of 2221 Piney Grove
Wilburn Road ANX 202604.

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More information about this agenda item
will be presented by planning director

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Davidson.
>> Thank you. I'm submitting the agenda

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abstract and supporting documents into
the official record of the town. The

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5.24 acre combined parcels are
non-ontiguous to the town's corporate

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limits. Town water is available to serve
the subject properties. [clears throat]

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Excuse me. However, sewer is unavailable
and has been exempted per the annexation

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agreement. A fireflow test nearby
resulted in adequate fire flow. Town

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sanitation and recycling services are
not applicable since it will be

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developed as a commercial property. At
the August 3rd, 2026 meeting, town clerk

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certified that the petition was
sufficient and met the requirements

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prescribed by the North Carolina General
Statutes and the town board adopted a

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resolution setting a public hearing for
tonight's town board meeting. The

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present total value of the properties
being annexed is $573,76.

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The suggested motion tonight is to adopt
the annexation ordinance to extend the

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corporate limits of the town of Fuguway
Verina to include property owned by

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Callus Properties LLC and the Callus
Family Limited Partnership ANX 20264

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and to approve the declaration of
annexation agreement as presented and

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recommended.
>> Thank you.

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» The hearing is now open. Does anyone
wish to speak in favor of the voluntary

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annexation petition?

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» Mayor, good evening. John Adcock, the
Adcock Law Firm at 202 East Academy

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Street. I'm here on behalf of the owner
and the applicant.

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» Good evening.
>> Uh, and they're in favor of this

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petition. I'm able to ask answer any
questions the board has.

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» Okay. All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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Does anyone else wish to speak in favor
of the voluntary annexation petition?

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Does anyone wish to speak in opposition
to the voluntary annexation petition?

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If none, the hearing is now closed. Any
discussion by the board?

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Mr.

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Mayor. So move second.
>> All right. We had a motion and a second.

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All those in favor of the motion, let it
be known by saying I.

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» I.
>> Any opposed? Eyes have it. Thank you

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very much.

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We're still in the public hearings. Item
7B, zoning map amendment. Wayne Malden,

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Malden Watkins Surveying, PA 210
Southwest Street, REZ 202610.

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More information about this agenda item
will be presented by planning director

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Davidson.
>> Thank you.

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» Mr. May, the agenda abstract and
supporting documents into the official

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record of the town.
>> The requested zoning map amendment is

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cons sorry I'll go back. The purpose of
this agenda item is to consider a

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requested zoning map amendment for a
total of 321 acres located at 210

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Southwest Street from the residential
medium density zoning district to the

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town center residential zoning district.
The requested zoning map amendment is

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consistent with the 2040 community
vision land use plan and supports

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several of the land use plans policies
and the proposed conditions will serve

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to ensure the proposed triplex matches
the scale and character of the

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surrounding neighborhood. On July 20th,
2026, the planning board unanimously

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recommended approval.
There's the Tribox plot planning. The

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suggested motion tonight is to approve
REZ 202610, a zoning map amendment for

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210 Southwest Street from the
residential medium density zoning

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district to the town center residential
zoning district as it is reasonable and

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in the best interest of the public for
the reasons identified by management and

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staff. I'm available if you have any
questions.

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The hearing is now open. Does anyone
wish to speak in favor of the zoning map

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amendment?

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» Good evening, mayor, board. I'm Wayne
Malden with Molden Watkins Survey and

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139 North Main Street here in Fugquway.
And we put this reszoning petition

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together for the owner that you have
before you here tonight. Uh basically

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what we're looking at on that side of
town is it's a very old house that's in

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they're in need of some repair.
Uh what they wish to do is not

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financially
feasible to try to repair it. It's

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cheaper to tear it down and start all
over. So that's what we're asking for

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here tonight is the reasoning
uh to the TCR so that we can go in and

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put in a new structure as you see on the
plot plan before you tonight. If you

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have any questions, I'll be glad to try
to answer them.

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» Are there any questions of
>> the petitioner? Any questions?

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» Thank you.

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» Does anyone wish to speak in favor of
the zoning map amendment?

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Does anyone wish to speak in opposition
to the zoning map amendment?

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I will. Mr. Mayor,
>> again, thank you for allowing me to

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speak at this time. Uh, Mr. Mayor,
commissioners and managers, thank you

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for this opportunity.
>> My name is Amy Feny. I live at 608

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Parker Street here in Fugquway.
And the reason I'm speaking out tonight

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is we don't want more town homes in
residential neighborhoods. I posted a

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thing on Next Door about all the rampant
building that is going on in Fugquway at

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this time. And I think I should call it
to your attention as far as what people

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are saying about this.
When I mentioned that we should attend

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town council meetings and make our
concerns known, the main response was

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did that? They don't care. In many
cases, planning staff work with the

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developers. Another answer from Bob M
was greed. Jeff C. developers do not

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care. Audrey G. Greed. It is all about
the town. From Sue A. It's all about the

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town getting as much money as possible.
Emily B. It isn't just Fugquay, but so

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many municipalities are growing at this
time. However, Joe S. greedy

424
00:40:53,280 --> 00:41:01,040
politicians. Lois. O. It's about the
money and on top of it pushing creatures

425
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:05,599
out of their natural habitat. Stephanie
W. Because they are greedy and do not

426
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:09,520
care. I thought it was important that
you understand what it is that the

427
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:13,520
Fugquay residents want at this time. We
do not want more town homes going up

428
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:18,880
where residential neighborhoods are
right now. It is a sight eyesore. We do

429
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:22,960
not want it. We previously have voted
out people who did not listen to the

430
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:28,480
constituents. And at this time, I urge
you to please listen to the constituents

431
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:32,480
because we voted you in. We don't want
it. Thank you so much for your time. I

432
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,319
appreciate your consideration.
>> Thank you very much for your comments.

433
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,560
We
>> Do you have any questions I could

434
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,400
answer?
>> Not at this time, though.

435
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:44,040
» All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

436
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,040
Thank you.

437
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:53,040
Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?

438
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:02,440
The hearing is now closed. Any
discussion by the board?

439
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:11,440
» Mr. Mayor, I'll make some comments.
>> All right. Thank you.

440
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:20,480
» Uh when I look at this, I see um um when
we talk about uh downtown, this is

441
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:26,599
downtown. Um it is um where we have
really been successful with um

442
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:32,839
the threestory units there on the corner
of

443
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:42,800
Spring Avenue and Vance Street. Uh, I
think those are an asset in downtown

444
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:47,040
Fugquway and really in our downtowns,
but I think especially in downtown

445
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:52,160
Fugquway,
we need to have more people living there

446
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:58,000
and we need to have density because
that's what's going to keep it alive.

447
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:04,560
Um otherwise the businesses are going to
go out on some of the major main roads

448
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:11,440
and they will avoid downtown Fugway and
you'll see downtown Fugway um I think uh

449
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:16,400
go backwards.
When I look at um this, I also think

450
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:22,640
about the need for housing in our
community. And I think one of the worst

451
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:29,200
things we can do is be put an undue
burden on um folks that are trying to

452
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:36,079
add housing in a market that is becoming
more and more unaffordable.

453
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:41,440
Um and this to me looks like what the
buzzword we hear, missing middle. And I

454
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:44,640
think this is exactly what that is. I
think that's what we have talked about

455
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:49,359
and I think it's something that we are
trying to promote. This seems like an

456
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:55,760
excellent spot to it. We're not
subdividing the lot uh down any more

457
00:43:52,480 --> 00:44:02,000
than it already is. We're fitting a uh
one unit on it, but it will have three

458
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:07,040
homes in it. I think it makes a lot of
sense where it is, and I'm willing to

459
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,000
make a motion to support it if you'd
like.

460
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,359
» You ready for a motion? What is the
pleasure of the board? Any other

461
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:17,200
comments from the board?
>> I would just say that I agree with

462
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:21,599
Charlie Adcock 100% there on sorry,
Commissioner Adcock. Um,

463
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:26,240
it's two blocks from down from South
Main Street, right? So, I think the way

464
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:31,440
our town is going to be growing in the
future that it makes perfect sense.

465
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:37,280
» Thank you. I'll make a motion to approve
RAZ 2026-10,

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00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:41,280
a zoning map amendment for 210 Southwest
Street from the residential medium

467
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:46,560
density zoning district to the town
center residential zoning district. And

468
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:50,160
it is reason as it is reasonable and in
the best interest of the public for the

469
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:52,480
reasons identified by management and
staff.

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00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:57,520
» Second.
>> It's been moved and second. Uh all all

471
00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:02,319
in favor of the motion, let it be known
by saying I. I

472
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:07,240
» any oppose?
>> Motion carries. Eyes have it. Thank you.

473
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:23,200
Now we move on to item 7 C, public
hearing, zoning map amendment. Wayne

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00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:30,000
Malden, Malden Watkins surveying, PA 417
and 419 Raleigh Street, REZ 202611.

475
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,280
More information about this agenda item
will be presented by planning director

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00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,560
Davidson.
>> Thank you.

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00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,920
» Okay, Pam.
>> I'm submitting the agenda abstract and

478
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:42,880
supporting documents indeed the official
records of the town.

479
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:46,079
We've received several inquiries and
significant feedback on this resoning

480
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,839
request. So, I thought before we get
into the heart of it, it might be

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00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:54,560
helpful to review the goals of the Town
Center Residential Zoning District. The

482
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:58,800
Town Center residential zoning district
is uniquely situated just outside the

483
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:04,079
downtown areas and provides an eclectic
mix of housing types and lot sizes that

484
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:08,640
have developed over decades. With a
density cap of 10 dwelling units per

485
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:12,960
acre, the lot sizes range from a handful
of 1acre lots to a few that are less

486
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,880
than a tenth of an acre with the
majority falling somewhere in between.

487
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:21,280
Most are single family detached homes,
but they're also a sprinkling of

488
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:25,040
duplexes and a few town homes.
Most of the area classified as town

489
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:29,040
center residential and the land use plan
is currently zoned either residential

490
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:33,680
low density like the lots we're talking
about tonight or residential medium

491
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:38,000
density. Being that the current zoning
was applied after many of the homes were

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00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:42,560
built, often the current properties do
not meet either the minimum lot size,

493
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:46,800
minimum lot frontage, or setback
requirements.

494
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:50,560
Residential low density requires a
14,500

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00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:56,800
square foot lot that is at least 80 foot
wide. 417 and 419 Raleigh Street are

496
00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:02,079
both less than 9,000 square ft and
neither are close to 80 foot wide. Lots

497
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:06,240
made non-conforming by the adoption of
development standards are considered

498
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:11,680
lots of record and permitted to develop
one single family home. Since the lot is

499
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,960
substandard, applying the required
setbacks might be difficult. So the

500
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:20,400
ordinance also provides an opportunity
for reduced side and rear setbacks for

501
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:24,000
non-conforming lots of record.
Instead of developing as a lot of

502
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:28,160
record, property owners may seek to
resone the property to town center

503
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:32,160
residential. The town center residential
district encourages a mix of housing

504
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:37,119
types as you can see on the chart and
allows for smaller setbacks since the

505
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:41,280
area is slightly more urban. Since you
are not permitted to expand

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00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:45,920
nonconformity, reszoning to Town Center
residential also gives existing

507
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:49,680
homeowners more flexibility to expand an
existing property to fit their growing

508
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:54,480
needs. [snorts]
Here's some examples of development

509
00:47:51,440 --> 00:48:00,960
resulting from the 30 TCR resonings the
town has approved since 2016 when we put

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00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:05,520
this in place. Before we get into the
details of today's zoning request, I do

511
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:08,960
also want to speak to affordability. The
town does not have any standards or

512
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:13,680
requirements regarding the affordability
of new development or even have a tool

513
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:18,880
to regulate or measure what expansions
or renovations of existing homes do to

514
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:23,599
property values and assess taxes.
Whether properties are maintained,

515
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:27,200
renovated, rented, sold, or even
demolished for something new is market

516
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,280
driven.
The town center residential standards

517
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:35,680
strive to guide development towards a
variety of housing options that can be

518
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:39,440
adapted to fit the scale and context of
the existing neighborhood while

519
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:43,839
connecting to the fabric of the existing
infrastructure. [snorts]

520
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:48,160
The purpose of tonight's agenda is to
consider a requested zoning map

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00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:53,040
amendment for a total of 414 acres
located at 417 and 419 Raleigh Street

522
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:58,160
from the residential lowdensity zoning
district to the town center residential

523
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:01,040
zoning district. Although traffic impact
is now required at resoning, the

524
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:05,119
engineering director waved the
requirement due to the limited scale of

525
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:09,760
the development and resulting in
negligible traffic impacts. The two

526
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:14,240
required parking spaces per home are
being provided in a rear alley loaded

527
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:18,400
garage and additional overflow parking
will likely be accommodated in the

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00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,240
private alley.
The total point4 acre development will

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00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:26,000
not trigger storm water requirements
because the difference in increased

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00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,520
impervious area is so small that the
state doesn't recognize it for

531
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,520
permitting.

532
00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:37,440
The requested zoning map amendment is
consistent with the 2040 community

533
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:43,119
vision land use plan and supports the
following land use plan policies. 2.1

534
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:47,119
which encourages infill development and
redevelopment inside town limits as a

535
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:52,160
way to reinvest in the existing
downtowns and neighborhoods and policy

536
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,680
4.1 which seeks to manage future growth
and development in priority investment

537
00:49:54,160 --> 00:50:00,079
areas.
In addition, the plot plan and

538
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:03,760
elevations
provided demonstrate that the proposed

539
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:08,160
development generally meets the town
center residential standards and the

540
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:11,440
facade conditions offered confirm that
the appearance of the proposed homes

541
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:16,000
will contribute to the character of the
neighborhood. At the July 20th, 2026

542
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:19,760
planning board, the planning board
unanimously recommended approval. Just a

543
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,359
couple other notes now. We have the plot
plans and elevations in front of us. Um,

544
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:28,240
there has been some concern about the
front setback and it is true that the

545
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:35,680
majority of homes in this vicinity are
set back about 30 feet from the front

546
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:40,400
property line. Um, with this there's
going to be a 5-ft dedication and the

547
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:44,880
edge of pavement. In addition to that
five foot dedication, we'll put about 18

548
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:49,839
feet from the edge of pavement to the
front property line. As you can see, the

549
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:54,640
closest house, the front porch will be
12 and a half feet from that front

550
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:59,520
property line. And that results in about
30 feet from the edge of the pavement of

551
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:04,480
the road. There's no sidewalks to that
front porch. Um, row homes provide front

552
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:08,400
porches where residents can interact
with neighbors walking by and maintain

553
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:13,520
the charming scale of the street for
pedestrians. One of the requests had

554
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:17,839
been, can they abandon the rear alley
and instead have driveways on the front?

555
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:22,000
Um, the majority of houses in this
neighborhood were developed long before

556
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:26,720
we had garages and the car was quite the
priority it is today. So, if we did

557
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:31,119
shift these houses back, they would have
garages on the front, likely twocar

558
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:38,079
garages that would be 16 to 18 feet
wide, taking up a pretty good portion of

559
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:42,400
that 26 foot frontage. So the row home
concept just to fit that character of

560
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,920
the neighborhood would be to have front
porches where people sitting on the

561
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:49,520
front porch could interact with people
walking by on the street walking their

562
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:55,280
dog. Right? This is kind of a pedestrian
street versus having a pretty harsh wall

563
00:51:53,119 --> 00:52:00,160
of a garage. Um that would really cut
that house off from the neighborhood. I

564
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:06,960
think that's kind of a character. Um,
also lot size, um, 515 Raleigh Street

565
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:12,000
and 114 Blanchert Street, kind of around
the corner, are also just over 5,000

566
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:19,280
square feet, like proposed lots one and
two. 114 and 116 Woodro Street, are both

567
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:25,440
just 6,500
square feet like lot three, and they are

568
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:30,000
adjacent to 311 Raleigh Street and 406
Academy Street, which are both closer to

569
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:34,079
an acre. The eclectic pattern of lot
sizes, house styles, and materials

570
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:39,920
definitely contribute to the character
of the area. The last thing I'll mention

571
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:44,480
is density. The increase from two lots
to three lots on this parcel

572
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:50,240
specifically does increase the density
from five dwelling units to seven

573
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:56,400
dwelling units on this property. But it
only increases the density on the block

574
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:59,839
from 2.5 to 2.7.
Looking at some other blocks around

575
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:04,960
here, the density on the surrounding
blocks varies from about 3.2 to five

576
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:08,880
dwelling units per acre. So that really
fits in kind of with the fabric that

577
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:12,240
we're talking about. So again, I would
argue that these three lots fit into

578
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:17,559
that fabric of the overall community and
contribute um new housing opportunities.

579
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:25,040
The suggested motion tonight is to
approve REZ 202611, a zoning map

580
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:29,200
amendment for 417 and 419 Raleigh Street
from the residential lowdensity zoning

581
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,960
district to the town center residential
zoning district as it is reasonable and

582
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,720
in the best interest of the public for
the reasons identified by management and

583
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:40,720
staff. I'm available if you have any
additional questions about TCR or this

584
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:46,800
resoning specifically.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Any questions from

585
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:52,640
Director Davidson?
All right. Thank you.

586
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:59,319
The hearing is now open.
Does anyone wish to speak in favor of

587
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,319
the zoning map amendment?

588
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:06,079
» Good evening, mayor, board members.
Again, I'm Wayne Molden with Molden Wack

589
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:10,960
Survey and at 139 North Main Street here
in Fugquway. And we put the reasoning

590
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:16,559
we're looking at tonight together for
the owner, which is also here.

591
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:21,440
Um, I want to thank Pam. She explained
all that stuff better than I could.

592
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:26,480
It seems like the ordinance changes
every day. Basically, what we're doing

593
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:32,240
here is at the present time, there is a
condo or duplex unit on two lots.

594
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:36,640
There's two existing lots.
Uh, I think one of those units has

595
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:41,200
already been declared unfit to be lived
in.

596
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:45,040
So, there's only one side of it being
occupied at this time.

597
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:50,960
Under the current zoning with the two
lots, if we tore the building down, we

598
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:56,000
could, I think, put four units back up
there. We could have duplexes on both

599
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:00,720
lots.
Uh, we decided to go to the resoning to

600
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:05,680
the TCR.
We pick up one lot, but instead of

601
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:10,160
getting four units, we're getting three
residential single family homes.

602
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:15,839
We think that'll fit in a lot better
with the neighborhood in that area.

603
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:18,880
than duplexes, which we've heard some
tonight say they didn't need no more

604
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:23,520
multif family. So, we're trying to put
three nice single family homes.

605
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:27,480
So, if any of you have any questions,
I'll be glad to try to answer.

606
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:34,280
» Any questions?
>> No. Thank you.

607
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:34,280
» Thank you, Wayne. Appreciate it.

608
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:44,119
Does anyone
else wish to speak in favor of the

609
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,119
zoning map amendment?

610
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:57,119
» Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the
board. I'm Preston Perry, 1994 NC42. I'm

611
00:55:54,720 --> 00:56:01,920
here to speak in favor of this um
resoning petition. I I don't have a lot

612
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:04,960
specifically to add. Um, we we do for
the points that have already been

613
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:08,640
brought up believe this is a prudent fit
for what TCR stands for and is the

614
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:13,680
appropriate housing product to provide
an obtainable housing solution and close

615
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,799
proximity to our two downtown areas. If
we're going to be a walkable community

616
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,720
and we're going to hang our hats on
having thriving downtown areas, then

617
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:25,040
people need to be able to visit those.
Um, and we feel we've, you know, I I

618
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:29,280
hate that we can't all agree on things
and I understand there is concern, but

619
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:33,680
we have taken feedback and feel that we
have provided conditions both in the

620
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:37,520
resoning petition as well as in the
design considerations we're presenting

621
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:41,599
to try to fit into the neighborhood and
offer an amicable, reasonable solution

622
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:45,359
that looks appropriate for that side of
town. Um, the first house I bought when

623
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:49,520
my wife and I moved to Fugquway was on
this block. I know this area. We walked

624
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:53,760
the dog around the neighborhood, took
the kids to Falcon Park, done the whole

625
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:57,599
thing. But when the second kid came
along, there's not a lot of

626
00:56:54,799 --> 00:57:01,520
opportunities in that area. Um, and we
feel that we should be able to provide

627
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:06,799
that for people that want to utilize the
walkability and sense of community that

628
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:10,240
this part of town creates. Um, again, as
far as the technical side, I think Pam

629
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:13,119
and and Wayne did a great job presenting
those facts. And if there's any

630
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,359
questions I can answer, more than happy
to do so.

631
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,720
» Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

632
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,720
» Appreciate it.

633
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:26,280
Does anyone else wish to speak in favor
of the zoning map amendment?

634
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:38,599
Does anyone wish to speak in opposition
to the zoning map amendment?

635
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:47,520
» Hello, Mayor Harris and commissioners.
My name is Tiffany Wagner and I live at

636
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:52,720
the Blanchard House at 644 Aken Parkway
in downtown Peekway Verina.

637
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:56,960
I am here with the supporters of the
historic branch. Tonight we are

638
00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:02,960
submitting a petition against the
resoning petition for 417 and 419

639
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:07,520
Raleigh Street. The language of this
petition contains the following. We the

640
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:11,040
residents and homeowners of downtown
Fugquway Verina petitioned the town to

641
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:17,160
preserve the character of the
neighborhood and promote responsible

642
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,160
growth and development.

643
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:25,280
Therefore, number one, the undersigned
object to the request for the resoning

644
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:31,200
and site map for 417 and 419 Raleigh
Street, Fugquway Verina from RMD to TCR

645
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:35,599
as it is currently proposed by Pine
State Construction Group. Should the

646
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:40,400
size of the houses be significantly
reduced and the lot lines increase, we

647
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:44,640
are less opposed to this reasonzoning.
Number two, the undersigned believe

648
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:50,079
adjustments should be made to the TCR
district development standards.

649
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:54,720
We petition for the formulation of a
stakeholder advisory committee to make

650
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:59,720
recommendations to the Fway Verina
Planning Department for the A4

651
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,720
standards.

652
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:08,160
As I said before, I'm here with the
supporters of the historic fringe. This

653
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,200
name may be new to you, but after
hearing from some of our supporters

654
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:16,559
tonight, you'll get to know us a little
better. Our goal tonight is to ask that

655
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:20,799
you deny the 417419 Raleigh Street
reszone request.

656
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:26,079
In support of this denial, I'm here to
present our petition, which includes the

657
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:31,440
signatures of 377 residents and
homeowners in downtown Fugquway Verina

658
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:34,720
who oppose this reszone request. I would
also like to point your attention to our

659
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:40,559
map which shows a large number of
residents who support our opposition.

660
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:43,559
And I just want to point to you this red
square.

661
00:59:53,839 --> 01:00:00,559
As you can see, this is a very large and
significant portion of the residents in

662
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:04,640
the downtown district. It also shows our
neighborhood's proximity to the historic

663
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:08,640
residential neighborhood, which is what
creates the character of this town that

664
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:11,839
we all love. And I thank you all for
listening.

665
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:15,799
» Thank you very much. We appreciate it so
much. Thank you for your comments.

666
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:25,079
» Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?

667
01:00:35,946 --> 01:00:37,966
» [clears throat]

668
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:56,000
» Good evening. Good evening, Mayor
Harris, town board, and staff.

669
01:00:53,839 --> 01:01:01,119
I'm a supporter of the historic Fringe
neighborhood. Also, my name is Eric

670
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:05,760
Kristofferson. My wife and I live at 504
East Academy Street, formerly known as

671
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:10,480
the Baptist Parsonage.
We also own and operate the restored

672
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:16,720
Fugquway Springs Teacheridge at 602 East
Academy Street. These are both within a

673
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:20,400
block of the subject property.
We're here to oppose the zoning map

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01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:26,240
amendment request and plot plan
submitted by Pine State Corp. to reszone

675
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:30,720
the lots at 417 and 419 Raleigh Street
to Town Center Residential.

676
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:34,880
The map that Tiffany shared with you
shows overwhelming opposition in our

677
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:41,160
neighborhood to this type of
development.

678
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,160
377 signatures.

679
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:52,160
Everyone that signed the petition cares
what gets built at this corner.

680
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:58,160
The charts that I have show a I think I
can see them here.

681
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:05,599
show Pine State's plot plan of three row
houses outlined in red and overlaid onto

682
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:09,839
the lots at 417 and 419 Raleigh streets.
The other chart shows a height

683
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:14,079
comparison of the row houses compared to
neighboring houses.

684
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:18,440
Those are the first two pages in your
handout. Did you hand out Teresa?

685
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:28,559
We know that neighborhood opposition
alone is not enough for you to deny this

686
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:33,200
resoning request because the plans that
Pine State submitted are legal according

687
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:38,319
to the town's land development
ordinance.

688
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:43,760
But as you can see, these row houses and
the dimensions and standards behind them

689
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:47,520
are radically out of character for the
neighborhood.

690
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:54,799
They were approved by the planning board
despite major deviations from the town's

691
01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:58,680
own 2040 community vision land use plan
for TCR zoning.

692
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:04,640
Here are some statements from that plan
that you'll find at the back of the

693
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:10,160
handout.
Miss Davidson did not point to these

694
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:14,640
statements, but I will. They're on pages
54 through 57.

695
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:21,119
On page 54,
preserving the character of existing

696
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:28,559
homes is a high priority in this area.
Also, page 54, the type, size,

697
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:34,880
orientation, and character of new homes
built in existing neighborhoods should

698
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:39,680
be compatible with adjacent properties.
Also

699
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:44,640
on page 54, officials should be careful
of unintended consequences of infield

700
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:50,319
development, such as increased storm
water flooding, increased traffic on

701
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:54,640
narrow streets, or rising home values
that drive existing residents out of the

702
01:03:52,480 --> 01:04:01,680
area.
On page 56, front and sideyard setbacks

703
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:07,480
should be generally consistent along
block faces to provide streetscape

704
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,480
continuity.

705
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:14,319
» Going to ask you to
in your comments,

706
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:18,240
» please use the guidance in our land use
plan to deny this zoning map amendment

707
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,680
request.
>> Thank you very much.

708
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:25,039
» Thank you.
>> Appreciate it so much. Thank you for

709
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:25,039
your feedback.

710
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:37,119
Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?

711
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,680
» Good evening, commissioners, Mayor
Harris, management.

712
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:45,280
» Good evening.
>> My name is Emily Holloway. I live at 312

713
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:50,720
Andrew Road in a 1,400 square foot home
built in 1940. My husband and I reared

714
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:55,440
two boys who are now adults in this
three-bedroom, one-bath house. It was

715
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:59,119
originally owned by John and Mildred
Ascu. He was a Fugquway Arena High

716
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:02,880
School math teacher and a tobacco
bookman. She was a graduate of the

717
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:08,400
Giuliard School of Music and the local
piano teacher. I am a proud supporter of

718
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:12,559
the historic fringe. Eric was just
talking about statements in the town's

719
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:16,400
own land use plan that we believe give
you reason to deny the zoning map

720
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:22,160
amendment request without fear of
reprisal. While not regulatory, these

721
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:26,799
statements regarding TCR zoning in the
land use plan make very clear the

722
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:34,000
importance and intent of preserving the
character, density, size, compatibility

723
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:39,599
with adjacent properties, front and side
setbacks, consistency along block faces,

724
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:43,359
and a sense of place of the existing
neighborhoods.

725
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:46,960
They especially matter in this unique
one-of-a-kind historic French

726
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:51,680
neighborhood on the edge of downtown. It
is an area full of history, local

727
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:57,680
landmarks, spacious front yards, narrow
streets, mature trees, walkability, and

728
01:05:55,039 --> 01:06:04,000
proximity to parks and downtown areas.
It is comprised of a mix of low to

729
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:08,559
moderatelysized and priced homes. This
is what gives our neighborhood its sense

730
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:12,799
of place, and it is worth preserving.
This plot plan at 417 and 419 Raleigh

731
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:17,119
Street is a complete departure from
these standards and statements. We are

732
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:21,520
asking you to deny the zoning map
amendment request. This would give the

733
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:25,119
developer another opportunity to meet
with neighborhood stakeholders and

734
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:29,280
arrive at a reasonable plan that better
fits the character of the neighborhood.

735
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:33,920
Pine State was not present at the
neighborhood meeting on June 8th, 2026.

736
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:37,920
And stakeholders have not had an
opportunity to speak with them about

737
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:42,240
this project. They have not responded to
stakeholders phone calls or text

738
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,760
messages for more information since the
planning board's approval on July 20th,

739
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:50,240
2026.
If the resoning and existing plot plan

740
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:55,119
is approved, a precedent will be set
that allows developers to build more of

741
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:59,920
the same types of anomalies. Housing,
clearly something that the majority of

742
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:04,880
the neighbors do not want. The town
planning department's website states

743
01:07:02,319 --> 01:07:10,400
that the land use plan is a living
document. meant to be revisited and

744
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:15,440
amended as necessary as the community
moves forward in growth. This is an

745
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:19,680
opportunity to amend the land use plan
to better serve the downtown historic

746
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:23,200
French neighborhood and the neighbors
who live there. Thank you.

747
01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:28,280
» Thank you. Thank you very much for your
feedback. We appreciate you.

748
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,280
» Thank you.

749
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:35,520
speak in opposition to the zoning map
amendment.

750
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,079
Thank you.
>> Good evening, mayor, commissioners,

751
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:41,520
managers.
>> Good evening.

752
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:48,160
» My name is Shondaanda Dupal. I live at
413 Raleigh Street, and I am also a

753
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:53,200
supporter of the historic French. I'm
speaking here tonight in opposition to

754
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:58,640
the zoning map amendment request for 417
and 419 Raleigh Street, specifically in

755
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:04,799
regards to the front and sideyard
setbacks outlined on the project plot

756
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:11,920
maps in accordance with the TCR zoning.
I live right next door to these lots.

757
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:17,040
The front setback is 10 feet from the
property line and the setback along the

758
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:25,199
side property line, my property line is
only 5 and 1/2 ft. Um, as you can see

759
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:31,279
from the height graphic, the sheer size
and height of the proposed building will

760
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:36,640
completely overwhelm my house. The 80
foot long facade of the side building

761
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:42,000
and the two and a half story height
running along the property will cast a

762
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:47,600
literal and figurative shadow over my
home. I will lose all morning light. The

763
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:52,159
structure will block most if not all
visibility from that side of my house.

764
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:58,080
That's the side of my house my porch is
on. That's the side of my house where my

765
01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:03,120
garden grows.
Conversely, the encroaching wall will

766
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:09,199
also eliminate any sense of privacy I
currently have up to and including the

767
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:14,640
20-year-old crepe myrtles that bloom
every summer that run down the property

768
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:21,199
line. Any windows built into that side
of the building will look directly into

769
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:27,520
my home.
I am only one person, one homeowner in

770
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:33,199
such close proximity to this outofscale
project. However, these setbacks and out

771
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:38,560
of character buildings affect all of the
adjacent homeowners as well. Their sense

772
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:44,640
of space, their views, their privacy
will also be negatively impacted.

773
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:50,880
As all of us who call this neighborhood,
this community home, I chose Fugway for

774
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:55,760
its small town charm, uh, the unique
architecture in the houses, and the

775
01:09:52,880 --> 01:10:01,520
proximity to our quaint downtown. I
chose it because it reminds me of the

776
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:06,239
town I grew up in in Virginia.
Uh, I do fear that the proposed project

777
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:11,440
put forward by Pine State will
irrefocably alter the spirit of this

778
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:15,679
neighborhood and in its current plan is
not in keeping with the character and

779
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:22,400
scale of the existing homes. Therefore,
I'm asking we're asking respectfully

780
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:26,560
that you um vote to deny the zoning map
amendment request. I thank you for your

781
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:33,560
time and your attention.
>> Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Thank

782
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:33,560
you. appreciate your comments.

783
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:37,239
» Yes.

784
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:46,880
» Good evening, mayor and commissioners.
Uh my name is Paul Hodgej and I live at

785
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:51,840
505 Raleigh Street, Fugquway Berina.
Uh I'm speaking this evening as a

786
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:54,960
supporter of the historic fringe. Um we
are speaking in opposition of the

787
01:10:53,360 --> 01:11:00,080
development at the corner of Raleigh and
Ena Streets. Um and um specifically I'll

788
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:04,159
be highlighting some storm water
concerns that I have. It's my

789
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:09,280
understanding that if a residential
development area is less than 1 acre on

790
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:13,280
a project, a storm water study is not
required.

791
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:18,960
The obvious flaw in such a regulation is
that there are simply not many 1acre

792
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:23,520
lots left in downtown Fuway Berina. Our
hope is that the town does track total

793
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:28,480
development in a way that adds acreage
of various developments and projects. Uh

794
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:32,640
but uh currently we're not aware of such
a strategy.

795
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:38,159
Pivoting to this specific proposed
development, one glance at the existing

796
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:42,640
GIS versus the plan view of this project
quickly reveals an increase in imperous

797
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:46,880
footprint.
As a degreed engineer, I was able to run

798
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:51,199
a few unofficial calculations that
painted an alarming picture for drainage

799
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:56,560
adjacent to this property with one
section of masonry pipe appearing to be

800
01:11:53,120 --> 01:12:00,880
undersized by nearly 50%.
A brief personal story.

801
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:05,840
Admittedly, it is easy to overlook storm
water runoff on an individual project

802
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,440
basis. I found myself guilty of this
oversight during the recent sewer water

803
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:13,360
line replacement on Clifton Street to
the east of my property.

804
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:17,280
After the work was complete, the town
contractor quickly covered and expo the

805
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:20,560
the exposed piping and and uh and
demobilized.

806
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:25,120
While walking by dog one evening, I
recall seeing that they did not regrade

807
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:29,440
the storm water covert and after filling
the trench with dirt. I suppose whoever

808
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,960
blessed the project closure either
missed the issue or was simply used to

809
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:37,440
seeing partially blocked storm water
drains across downtown.

810
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:41,679
I made the mistake of thinking not my
property, not my problem.

811
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:46,000
A year or so later, a water line
ruptured further up Clifton Street and

812
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:49,040
was flowing into the now blocked
culvert.

813
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:53,040
[cough] My neighbor's yard became
saturated until water began to migrate

814
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:59,120
to my property, eventually filling my
crawl space with over a foot of water

815
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:02,320
before the rupture was repaired. We were
we were able to mitigate the damage at

816
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:07,120
my property, but my neighbor's situation
was a lot worse. A tropical storm also

817
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:11,920
caused similar flooding issue on both
properties due to the blockage.

818
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:16,159
So, a reoccurring theme. The point of
this story is not to blame myself or the

819
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:20,159
town for negligence, uh, but to
highlight that a minor issue in one

820
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:25,360
covert can quickly, uh, cause
significant damage elsewhere. As it

821
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:29,199
turns out, storm water runoff is all of
our problem. Please consider the impact

822
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:35,199
that this development can have on
adjacent properties and common flood

823
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:39,679
control systems. And uh I uh with with
the rest of uh the group here, I I

824
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:42,880
petition that uh the reszoning is
denied. Thank you.

825
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:45,880
» Thank you very much. Appreciate your
comments.

826
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:55,600
Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?

827
01:13:53,360 --> 01:14:00,800
» Yes.
>> Hello, my name is Lese Johnston. I live

828
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:06,880
at 629 East Vance Street and am a
supporter of the historic fringe. I

829
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:12,000
moved to FCO Verina in 1995. I lived on
Wade Street for 13 years before moving

830
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:16,640
around the corner to Vance Street. We
love the charm of the neighborhood and

831
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:20,960
the distance between the houses. I'm
sure my neighbors like this distance,

832
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:25,199
too, especially when my husband placed
the bag pipes.

833
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:30,320
I would I would not normally speak at a
town board meeting or any meeting, but I

834
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:34,800
firmly believe the construction of these
large row houses at the corner of

835
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:40,560
Raleigh and In Street would be
detrimental to our community. This is a

836
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:45,679
hilly area and our home sits at the
bottom of two downhill streets. There's

837
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:50,719
a creek that runs in front of us that
drains from Raleigh Street and another

838
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:54,480
creek on the side of our property. We
also have a large hill behind us that

839
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:59,920
was created when the town homes were
built. After their construction,

840
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:04,400
increased water runoff from that hill
caused flooding in our yard.

841
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:08,000
During meetings with the town home
builders, we were assured that their

842
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:12,880
construction would not create storm
water runoff for our property. Because

843
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:20,800
of our experience, we are no longer
willing to accept asurances when the

844
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:20,800
actual circumstances do not support it.

845
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:30,400
Changing zoning and covering lots which
is with as much house and concrete

846
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:35,840
allowed will decrease available land to
absorb rainwater.

847
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:42,480
Each time a house is built that causes
an increase in water runoff will have a

848
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:47,199
cumulative effect on surrounding homes.
Words may not convey the effect

849
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:51,040
overbuilding can have in this area. So I
brought a picture. It's not as big as

850
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:56,320
their picture
showing how water runoff from current

851
01:15:54,400 --> 01:16:01,840
construction already affected our
property. And I have plenty more

852
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:06,560
pictures like this.
I'm also concerned about the safety risk

853
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:11,679
of parking on Raleigh Street because
it's such a narrow street. Because of

854
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:18,159
the limited parking provided with these
house plans, visitors in a car or the

855
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:24,400
third car of a family with a driving
teenager or delivery truck will most

856
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:28,960
likely have to park on the street. We
parked a car on Raleigh Street in front

857
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:33,520
of this lot and within minutes we saw a
car try to turn onto Riley Street while

858
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:39,760
another car was coming in the opposite
direction on Raleigh Street. and we saw

859
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:42,760
firsthand the hazard this situation
created.

860
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:51,360
Because of these and other concerns, I
respectfully ask the commissioners to

861
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:55,440
vote against this zoning map amendment
request.

862
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:59,199
I thank you all for your service to our
town

863
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:05,040
and I thank you for considering the
concerns of the residents in this area.

864
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:12,760
» Thank you very much. appreciate your
feedback. Thank you. Does anyone else

865
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:12,760
wish to speak in opposition? Thank you.

866
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:20,640
» Good evening. My name is Victoria Hajj
and I live at 505 Raleigh Street. I'm

867
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:25,360
speaking this evening as a supporter of
the historic French. We are speaking in

868
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:30,159
opposition to the resoning of the 417
and 419 lots of Raleigh Street given the

869
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:33,520
current proposal of development. We are
against the resoning due to the road

870
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:37,840
safety impacts that the proposed
development will create from overflow

871
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:41,520
parking. The developer suggests that
their plan will provide plenty of

872
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:46,239
parking for residents. While a twocar
garage for each home looks wonderful on

873
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:50,880
paper, the reality is very different.
According to a study by the US

874
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:56,640
Department of Energy, 25% of Americans
with a twocar garage do not park a

875
01:17:53,280 --> 01:18:01,920
single vehicle inside. An additional 33%
only park one car inside. Data local to

876
01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:05,280
Raleigh Street is even more extreme. The
developer recently built four homes on

877
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:10,480
the block adjacent to the proposed
development, each with a two-car garage.

878
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:15,280
0% of the residents park a single
vehicle inside of their garages. Given

879
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:20,000
this data, it is reasonable to assert
that the two-car garages and the 5-ft

880
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:23,600
parking pads will not provide sufficient
parking for the residents of the

881
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:26,800
proposed development. The rear entry
alleyway does not provide space for

882
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:31,600
overflow parking like a traditional
driveway. Consequently, this will lead

883
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:36,400
to on- street parking. Overflow on
street parking is guaranteed if families

884
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:40,159
have a third or fourth vehicle. We
understand that on street parking is

885
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:44,560
common on some of our downtown streets.
However, Raleigh Street is not equipped

886
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:49,679
for such a practice. The average width
of the road in front of the property is

887
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:53,120
approximately 20 to 21 ft. When I drive
to work on Friday mornings, I have to

888
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:57,600
yield to oncoming traffic when the
garbage cans are out. If garbage cans

889
01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:02,480
create a one-way street, imagine the
impact of multiple vehicles parked in

890
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:06,480
front of the residents. This raises many
safety concerns. When speaking with the

891
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:11,280
Fugquway Verina Fire Marshal earlier
today, he advised that new guidance

892
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:16,880
requires a minimum road width of 20 ft
for an emergency vehicle to pass. That

893
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:21,760
is the exact width of Raleigh Street. If
any cars park on the street, emergency

894
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:25,280
vehicles will be unable to pass. We are
extremely blessed to live in close

895
01:19:23,440 --> 01:19:30,800
proximity to the fire station, but
proximity is no longer beneficial when

896
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:34,640
roads are blocked to emergency vehicles.
Additionally, on street parking creates

897
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:38,320
unsafe conditions for pedestrians and
drivers given the current road

898
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:42,400
conditions. Pedestrians will be forced
onto the grass to avoid oncoming

899
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:45,360
traffic. Visibility at the intersection
of Raleigh and Inennis will be

900
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:48,960
drastically reduced for drivers,
potentially leading to vehicle

901
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:54,080
collisions and pedestrian injuries at it
is not a four-way stop. The speed limit

902
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:57,440
of Raleigh Street is 35 mph, which is
not conducive to driving around parked

903
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:01,600
vehicles while safely avoiding
pedestrians and oncoming traffic. We are

904
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:04,880
disappointed that the developer's plan
does not include sufficient parking on

905
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:08,800
the property, whether by way of a
traditional driveway like their adjacent

906
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:12,239
properties or parking spots offset for
the road. We care about the safety and

907
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:16,000
well-being of our neighbors, and the
proposed resoning endangers everyone who

908
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:20,320
walks, drives, or bikes on Raleigh
Street. It is that reason we reject your

909
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:27,960
the resoning. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. We appreciate Thank

910
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:27,960
you. your observation. Thank you.

911
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,640
» Good evening all.
>> Good evening.

912
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:43,920
» Good evening.
>> My name is Ann Marie Miko. I have lived

913
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:48,400
in the Wade Dale House at 508 East
Academy Street for 39 years. I'm here

914
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:53,440
with the supporters of the historic
fringe. We respectfully ask that you

915
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:57,760
deny the resoning request for 417419
Raleigh Street. My objection to this

916
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:02,719
reszone and tear down is based on
opportunity cost. By tearing down small

917
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:07,840
entry-level homes and replacing them
with homes that cost $600,000 and more,

918
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:11,600
we are removing opportunity for many
people to buy homes. We have heard

919
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:16,000
proponents of this project and others
like it say that the TCR designation is

920
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:19,920
designed to help create missing middle
housing.

921
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:25,199
The missing housing in Fuway Verina is
single family homes priced 350,000 and

922
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:28,800
below. I spoke to many realtors,
brokers, and a builder. They

923
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:33,520
consistently stated that we have plenty
of homes 600,000 and above. People that

924
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:38,239
can afford those homes have not been
deterred by current market conditions.

925
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:43,360
The realtors cannot find homes below
$350,000.

926
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:48,960
Every realtor I spoke to said military
families, firefighters and EMTs, police

927
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:54,400
officers, town of Fuway Vina employees,
teachers, young families, and retirees

928
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:58,880
looking to decrease expense cannot find
homes to buy in Fugquway Verina. Part of

929
01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:03,040
the solution to this problem is sitting
right in front of us. The affordable

930
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:07,600
20th century homes located west and east
of downtown are often between 250 and

931
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:11,520
350,000.
The alarming problem is that developers

932
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:16,159
are making offers on homes that are not
listed for sale, buying to tear down,

933
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:20,960
and building houses that do not fit the
neighborhoods in scale, in character,

934
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:24,400
and in price. The process creates a very
negative impact for current and future

935
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:28,880
homeowners in the neighborhoods.
Property values are significantly and

936
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:33,360
artificially inflated. Property taxes
are escalated to a cost that can drive

937
01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:38,080
homeowners out of long cherished homes.
And modest homes that so many people

938
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:42,320
might afford end up in a landfill
without those families ever having a

939
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:46,000
chance to make an offer. Benefits of
home ownership are well known.

940
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:50,159
Connection and commitment to community.
The proud accomplishment of shelter for

941
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:54,480
a family. A chance to build personal
wealth. An asset that can be leveraged

942
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:58,400
for children's education. A chance to
change your circumstance. Our

943
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:02,159
exponential growth will require more and
more essential service workers. They do

944
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:07,440
the jobs that we don't have the ability
to do and sometimes we don't want to do.

945
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:11,840
They should be part of the fabric of
this community, not day laborers who

946
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:17,199
drive in and out for miles because they
can't fi cannot find a place that they

947
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:21,199
can afford to buy in Fuway. We can do
better. Towns around us are developing

948
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:24,800
programs from which we can learn. It's a
tremendous opportunity to bring people

949
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:28,719
together. Mayor Harris and
commissioners, I implore you to make

950
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:32,960
workforce housing a top priority in our
town. Our community can work together to

951
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:37,199
address this problem. We have an asset
in these homes that can be part of the

952
01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:40,800
solution. I appreciate this process for
public input when there are important

953
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:45,440
issues to resolve. The issue we address
tonight deserves longer, more thoughtful

954
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:49,760
conversation than public comments allow.
We request you commit to addressing this

955
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,800
pro problem. We would like to work with
you.

956
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,320
» Thank you for your feedback. We
appreciate your comments.

957
01:23:53,733 --> 01:23:58,480
[clears throat]
Thank you.

958
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:03,600
Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?

959
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,719
» Okay. Thank you.
>> So sorry. Hello. I'm Corey Wear. I live

960
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:12,960
at 405 East Spring Street in the
wonderful downtown Fugquway. Thank you

961
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:17,199
for your time, mayor and commissioners.
I am here with my fellow neighbors to

962
01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:21,280
speak in opposition of the 417 and 419
Raleigh Street project. As I'm a

963
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:25,120
supporter of the historic French, my
husband and our two sons, now ages three

964
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:29,520
and five, moved into the neighborhood in
2023. We previously lived in a new

965
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:34,880
construction home off Fleming Loop with
a nice low interest rate. We sold it for

966
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:38,000
our now much smaller, much older home.
You are probably thinking, as many

967
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:42,639
people did, why on earth would you do
that? We moved because the charm of our

968
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:47,360
1955 home, the mature trees and
walkability are things you cannot find

969
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:51,040
in a new community. Every weekend we
walked to get coffee, the parks,

970
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:55,199
downtown events, and our friends houses
in the neighborhood. What is there not

971
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:58,400
to love? I remember in one previous
meeting, in this meeting, the

972
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:02,000
representative from Pine State commented
that they outgrew their home in downtown

973
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:07,199
Fugway. People thought we were crazy
from downsizing from 2200 to,300 ft with

974
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:11,199
young kids, but we love living in a
smaller home. I clean it quickly. We

975
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,880
spend lots of family time together, and
it function and flows much better than

976
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:18,560
the two new construction homes we owned
previously. Our cozy little home is

977
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:22,800
truly my favorite my family's favorite
place to be and we plan to live there

978
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:25,760
for the rest of our lives. I am so
excited for the future of our downtown.

979
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:29,199
I am supportive of growth and
improvements and I always tried to sell

980
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:32,719
my friends on how wonderful living in
downtown Fugquway is. There are many

981
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:36,159
homes that have been renovated and still
have the charm of their original bones.

982
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:40,320
I also understand some of the houses are
in bad shape and are too far gone to be

983
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:44,080
saved. However, putting three row homes
on that corner lot does not fit the

984
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:47,360
character of the neighborhood. These
houses will tower over neighbors, be

985
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:50,960
scarily close to each other, and stick
out like a sore thumb on that corner. My

986
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:54,800
family walks and my kids ride their
bikes in that area frequently. The

987
01:25:52,880 --> 01:26:01,679
parking nightmare, as many people have
stated, is terrifying for a parent.

988
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:06,400
Once we all know that garages are not
used for a car, they're used for

989
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:10,159
storage. Most homes have two drivers and
two cars and once teenagers can drive

990
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:14,239
more. I am worried about the safety of
that corner as the plans call for the

991
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:17,600
shared alleyway for these homes. I am a
daughter of a small business owner and

992
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:21,199
an employee of that business. So, I
totally understand Pine State's

993
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:24,320
approach. I am not here to attack them.
I know they love our town. They have

994
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:27,920
built many beautiful homes and are
success successful in what they do. I

995
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:30,880
also think it's important that they
respect the look of the neighborhoods

996
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:34,880
and input of the neighbors. As someone
with very expensive taste and a lover of

997
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:38,400
nice things, I believe they can still do
this to their quality level without

998
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,360
being intrusive to the neighborhood. I
don't know if my comments will make a

999
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:44,159
difference in the outcome tonight, but I
would lose sleep at night if I didn't

1000
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:48,159
take the time to share them. I am
passionate about our passionate about

1001
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:52,400
our downtown and feel the need to try to
protect the homes and the charm while

1002
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:55,840
advocating for growth in the right way.
I'd love to see more people live down

1003
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:59,120
here, more small businesses able to
survive and improvements to some issues

1004
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:02,960
like sidewalks and connecting the two
downtowns. I hope you all will take the

1005
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:06,400
time to drive by the current lot in
question, visualize what is in the

1006
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:10,960
plans, and understand why there is a
petition in so many signatures. Again, I

1007
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:14,800
do not oppose a building on this lot,
but I do oppose disregarding the input

1008
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,960
of neighbors and milking a lot for every
inch.

1009
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:21,239
» Thank you for your comments. We
appreciate you. Thank you.

1010
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:28,040
» Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?

1011
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:37,440
Good evening, mayor and commissioners.
My name is Jim Hunsburgger. I live at

1012
01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:41,120
508 East Academy Street. I'm a former
commissioner for the town of Fuway, as

1013
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:46,480
many of you know. Tonight, I am here
with the supporters of the historic

1014
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:50,639
fringe. In 1996, I was fortunate to be
part of a group of neighbors who worked

1015
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:54,480
to establish the first nationally
registered historic district in town

1016
01:27:52,719 --> 01:27:57,840
known as the Fugway Springs Historic
District.

1017
01:27:56,159 --> 01:28:02,159
Today I am fortunate to live in a
neighborhood we refer to as the historic

1018
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:05,840
fringe. Historic because our
neighborhood contains significant

1019
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:10,400
numbers of historic homes from the same
era as the properties in our nationally

1020
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:15,040
registered historic district. Fringe
because we border the historic district.

1021
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:19,840
Fugquway Springs historic district
contains 37 properties. Our historic

1022
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:24,560
Fringe neighborhood includes nearly 40
homes identified by the museums of Fuway

1023
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:27,840
Verina as historic properties.
properties that have been part of

1024
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:34,560
landmark home and garden tours over the
decades. The average age of homes in our

1025
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:38,800
neighborhood is 75 over 75 years. A fact
that highlights the historic

1026
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:44,239
significance not only to us as residents
but to our town as well. The history of

1027
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:49,520
20th century architecture and our town
is well represented by the diversity of

1028
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:54,560
our homes. included our fine examples of
colonial revival, craftsman, bungalow,

1029
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:59,760
Cape Cod, mid-century modern, and the
ever practical ranch.

1030
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:04,000
This architectural variety is remarkable
and worthy of preservation. It is

1031
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:08,400
important to mention that ours is not
the only pocket of 20th century homes in

1032
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:12,800
Fugquway Verina. Others are located west
and east of downtown.

1033
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:17,760
A sense of place was created in our
neighborhood with traditional design,

1034
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:22,320
use of scale, consistent setbacks,
building heights, complimentary facads

1035
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:28,000
and fenestration elements with strong
entryways and visually pleasing side

1036
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:32,080
elevations. These venerable 20th century
architectural elements fit together to

1037
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:35,760
contribute to the authentic look and
feel that is very evident throughout our

1038
01:29:34,239 --> 01:29:40,239
neighborhood.
There is harmony in the rhythm created

1039
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:46,719
by the relationship of home to
neighboring home, of home to lot, and of

1040
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:50,000
lot to streetscape. This neighborhood
authenticity took the better part of a

1041
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:55,360
century to establish in our
neighborhood. As proposed, this reszone

1042
01:29:53,040 --> 01:30:00,080
request will will redefine not only the
look and feel of the neighborhood, but

1043
01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:04,480
also the sense of place. The pleasing,
authentically historic rhythm will be

1044
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:08,239
lost. But this does not need to happen.
We can be the town that chooses to save

1045
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:11,840
this part of our heritage. We can look
to examples of other towns in North

1046
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:16,159
Carolina that have created character
preserving overlays to work with the

1047
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:20,960
land development ordinances and land use
plans to create protections and

1048
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:25,360
encourage enhancing infill development.
As such, we ask that you deny this

1049
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:27,920
resoning map amendment request. And I
thank you for your time. Thank you for

1050
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:32,159
your service as well.
>> Thank you so much.

1051
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:35,679
Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?

1052
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:39,600
Thank you.
>> Hi all.

1053
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:41,760
I'm very very nervous. I'm just going to
read.

1054
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:47,040
» Take your time.
>> My name is Audrey Weiss and my husband

1055
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:52,960
Will and I purchased 416 Raleigh Street
in October 2024. When we walked into our

1056
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:56,880
soontobe home, we knew immediately it
was what we wanted. After seeing the

1057
01:30:55,199 --> 01:31:01,280
home, we drove slightly up the road to
find lunch, which we did at Vicious

1058
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:05,840
Fishes. We discussed the charm of the
house and the neighborhood, how we could

1059
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:11,199
walk to downtown for a meal or beverage
or to shop. We put in an offer and

1060
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:16,000
closed in a month. We named her Zelda
after F. Scott Fitzgerald's wife. She

1061
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:22,159
was, after all, a well-known woman of
the period time period that our home was

1062
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:28,320
built in. A gal who liked me loved to
entertain. Our home is the ideal home

1063
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:32,480
for entertaining. Ask my neighbors.
After we moved in, I joined the Fugway

1064
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:37,199
Verina Woman's Club and was put on two
committees. One being civic's

1065
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:41,600
engagement, the other was fundraising. I
have hosted the fundraising committee

1066
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:46,560
several times in our enormous kitchen.
Our home was one of the homes featured

1067
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:51,199
in the 2025 Fugquway Arena Women's Club
Holiday Home Tour. And at that time, I

1068
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:56,560
was given the history of our home for
the tour and am so proud to know that it

1069
01:31:53,920 --> 01:32:01,360
holds a little piece of town history.
Bey Wright and her husband inherited the

1070
01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:05,840
land from her father, Steven Fugquway.
And they built their home in 1920. I

1071
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:12,000
believe that makes our home the oldest
on the block. Our 106-year-old home with

1072
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:16,800
the charming yard and front porch that
hosts weekly Friday evening social hour,

1073
01:32:14,719 --> 01:32:20,800
weather permitting. The front porch
where I call the neighbors walking down

1074
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:25,520
the street to come and sit a spell. The
front porch where I sit with our dog and

1075
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:30,080
read when there's a nice breeze. The
front porch that I won't be sitting in

1076
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:34,880
sitting on if the builder is allowed to
build these very tall, very deep homes

1077
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:39,760
with very little room between them and
incredibly shallow front yards right

1078
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:44,400
across the street from Zelda and the
cottages on either side of us. I moved

1079
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:50,400
to North Carolina from New York for the
military and fell in love with the small

1080
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:53,920
towns, the small town feel. These row
homes that the builder would like to

1081
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:59,600
build belong in a city like Queens, New
York, not on the fringe of the historic

1082
01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:03,440
downtown of a quaint town like Fugquway
Arena. We ask that you vote against

1083
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,400
resoning.
>> Did you state your name again for Audrey

1084
01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:12,120
Weiss?
>> Audrey White. Thank you. Appreciate it.

1085
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:12,120
Thank you.

1086
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:21,280
next. Oh, thank you.
>> Hi.

1087
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:25,520
» Good evening, Mayor uh and commissioners
and town management. My name is Lauri

1088
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:28,960
Chamberlain. I live at 404 Wade Street
and I am a supporter of the historic

1089
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:33,199
French.
Mayor Harris and commissioners, you guys

1090
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:38,400
have heard a lot tonight. You've heard
about neighborhood character, historic

1091
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:44,719
preservation, affordability,
pedestrian safety, traffic and parking,

1092
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:49,360
storm waters, flooding, and what can
happen when redevelopment occurs one

1093
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:54,480
property at a time without considering
the cumulative cumulative effect.

1094
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:58,800
Those all sound like separate issues,
but they're really not. They're all part

1095
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:05,840
of a larger question that we have
tonight. How does Fugway Verina grow

1096
01:34:02,639 --> 01:34:10,639
without losing what makes Fugway Verina
Fugway Verina?

1097
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:13,840
We know that our town's future has a lot
of change and growth coming. And we

1098
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:18,080
believe that this gives us a great
opportunity, an opportunity for

1099
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:22,560
residents and elected leaders to work
side by side, welcoming that growth

1100
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:28,560
while preserving the character and sense
of place that make our town so very

1101
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:34,400
special. Our town um our town community
vision plan gives us a roadmap. It

1102
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:39,199
prioritizes preserv uh preserving the
character of stable neighborhoods. It

1103
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:43,840
says new homes should be compatible with
adjacent properties that scale and

1104
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:47,360
setback matter
and that we should be mindful of

1105
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:52,719
unintended consequences with
inappropriate infill. Those ideas were

1106
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:57,400
not accidentally put into the land use
plan and they aren't anti-growth.

1107
01:34:57,679 --> 01:35:05,360
They are our shared vision of how we're
supposed to grow going forward. With

1108
01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:10,639
that in mind, we have two asks. Our
first ask is to respectfully ask you to

1109
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:14,960
vote no on the resoning of 74 uh 417 and
419 Raleigh Street.

1110
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:19,440
We ask that redevelopment better reflect
the scale, character, and intent the

1111
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:22,960
community vision plan described for our
neighborhood.

1112
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:28,560
This decision is bigger than just these
two projects or these two lots. It's

1113
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:34,960
going to help shape the redevelopment in
the historic fringe going forward.

1114
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:39,520
Our second ask goes beyond this project.
We ask that the town establish an

1115
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:43,760
stakeholders advisory committee to work
with residents and planning staff and

1116
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:48,159
elected officials
to create a clearer framework for

1117
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:52,719
redevelopment in the historic fringe.
One that addresses the current TCR

1118
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:56,400
standards and develops an overlay
protection necessary to preserve the

1119
01:35:54,800 --> 01:36:01,120
character and sense of place of our
neighborhood. Without this framework,

1120
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:04,880
we're just going to end up right back
here in a week or a month when the next

1121
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:10,239
project comes up. and we're going to
express the same concerns.

1122
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:15,360
We know that growth uh is coming and
will continue to come and we welcome

1123
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:19,840
thoughtful change and we welcome new
neighbors. We just want to make sure

1124
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:23,679
that whatever the new development is
that it makes sense and it belongs in

1125
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:28,000
the neighborhood that it's going to be
built in. We truly believe that

1126
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:31,520
residents and this board [music] can
accomplish that together.

1127
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:36,800
» Thank you. Thank you very much.
Appreciate your comments. Thank you.

1128
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:44,520
gonna have to be the end.
Does anyone else wish to speak in

1129
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:44,520
opposition to the zoning map amendment?

1130
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:55,040
If not,
the hearing is now closed. Closed,

1131
01:36:54,502 --> 01:37:00,199
[clears throat]
excuse me. Any discussion by the board?

1132
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,880
first.
>> I'll go first. Sure. Commissioner

1133
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:13,360
Warren.
>> So, I think yeah, we we heard a lot of

1134
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:17,840
good comments uh tonight
and I think a lot of it touches on the

1135
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:25,199
dilemma we're facing here in Pway as
summed up by the last speaker Lori. Uh

1136
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:32,159
we are a very fast growing town and I
think you know the PCR zoning was meant

1137
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:35,280
to try and address that. Uh I was
looking at the numbers talking about the

1138
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:40,639
numbers last night. You know we're about
40,000 people now here in Pway Arena. Uh

1139
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:47,440
I believe in the next 10 years that's
expected to increase by about 50%.

1140
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:51,199
So somehow
we do have to address this and we do

1141
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:54,480
have to think about how we grow and we
do have to think about the location of

1142
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:59,440
this neighborhood. And so, you know,
I'll be honest, coming in tonight, I had

1143
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:04,239
no idea how I was going to vote on this.
And I really still have no idea how I

1144
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:09,520
was going to vote on this. So I,
you know, personally, I have a little

1145
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:16,080
bit more to learn and would like to take
some time to study this issue and maybe

1146
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:21,840
see how other towns in the area are are
approaching these issues. You know,

1147
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:27,840
we're we're going to grow. Um,
you can see on the on the maps that have

1148
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:31,119
been presented that this this is and I
believe Pam mentioned some numbers in

1149
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:36,480
terms of density. Sorry, Director
Davidson.

1150
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:42,400
So, I I think I wanted I would like to
see how other towns before we maybe

1151
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:46,080
approve this um
approach this

1152
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:53,040
because the neighborhood's going to
grow. We're we're going to we're going

1153
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:57,600
to change, but how do we tackle this
the scale and the timing, I think, is

1154
01:38:54,960 --> 01:39:02,880
what I'm I'm trying to
um consider. So,

1155
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:07,199
I would probably be in favor of
tableabling the motion so I can get a

1156
01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:11,280
chance to
think about it some more.

1157
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:14,239
» Is that a motion?
>> Comment. Commissioner Smith, then

1158
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:17,040
Commissioner,
>> I'd let them go first. I was just wonder

1159
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,080
if he had made a motion, but it's not.
It's not.

1160
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:19,840
» Okay. All right.
>> Commissioner Hayes, did you have a

1161
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:26,880
comment or question?
>> Yes, Mr. Mayor. Uh, just uh I guess a

1162
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:32,000
few few comments. Uh uh uh yeah, I've
thought about this um issue a lot. I've

1163
01:39:30,159 --> 01:39:35,679
met with a lot of people. I've heard
that we don't meet with people and

1164
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:41,679
different things, but I've met with a
lot of people on this agenda, on this

1165
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:45,920
item. Um and people who I hold dearly as
friends and everything. So this is, you

1166
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:50,880
know, um and I share with them very
transparent thoughts on me, uh from my

1167
01:39:49,119 --> 01:39:54,880
heart a lot of time. And I I explained
stuff and few things I had to understand

1168
01:39:52,639 --> 01:40:00,400
was you know what what if if this
doesn't pass what what could Pine State

1169
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:07,040
build they can come back in and build
two duplexes if I'm correct it's no it's

1170
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:10,159
one duplex or two duplex can you help me
out Director

1171
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:14,400
» Davidson
>> so that the size of the lot would not

1172
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:15,520
support two duplexes the density would
be too high

1173
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:18,719
» okay
>> so what they could build is they could

1174
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:24,639
go into the lot of record and they could
build two homes, one on each lot, um,

1175
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:27,520
under the lot of record reduced setback.
So that would give them potentially

1176
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:31,600
they'd still have to meet the 30- foot
front setback, but 5t on the sides, 10

1177
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:34,639
feet on the rear with front-loaded
garages.

1178
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:38,719
» All right. Thank you so much. I just
Well, I wanted to get that out so we

1179
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:44,000
know where we at. Um, and um, you know,
I I share with a lot of people um,

1180
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:50,080
the the things that have happened with
TCR. Um and and if you go back in

1181
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:53,760
record, I I made a comment probably a
year and a half, two years ago that t

1182
01:40:52,159 --> 01:40:58,239
that we would be dealing with this issue
all over town of FQ Arena. I I won't

1183
01:40:56,239 --> 01:41:01,600
shout from this and it's it's on record
anyway. You know, the community I grew

1184
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:06,080
up in, the Lincoln Heights community has
dealt with TCR more than anybody. And I

1185
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:09,119
won't and I won't back down from that.
Um and this is a little bit different

1186
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:13,600
because we're going from two lives to
three lives. uh that has been said but

1187
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:17,920
also you have to understand that the
character of the Lincoln Heights

1188
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:23,119
community was totally different before
TCR happened and other things happened.

1189
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:28,159
We were a community of brick ranch home
ranch style homes for years. Uh there

1190
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:32,639
was a few few actually my grandfather
had the first town home complex in the

1191
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:35,600
Lincoln Heights community. So, I know
what it was when he tried to get that

1192
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:41,040
built. But also, you have to understand
that now we have houses that are

1193
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:45,119
towering over multiple residents beside
me's houses. Uh, we just dealt with one

1194
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:49,440
that we've been dealing with for about a
year that was going to tower over a

1195
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:52,719
neighbor's um property, too. So, you
know, I I tell people I have to be fair

1196
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:55,440
in this situation, too. I don't know
which way I'm gonna vote, and I'll be

1197
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:58,960
honest with you, I don't. But I also
have to understand that I have to be

1198
01:41:56,719 --> 01:42:02,719
fair. As I state all the time, I
represent every town of F, every citizen

1199
01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:05,679
town of FA Arena. Doesn't matter what
community you stay in, what community

1200
01:42:04,159 --> 01:42:09,600
you don't stay in. And I have to be
honest about that. So, I was kind of

1201
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:14,239
torn with this one because I've seen the
effects of different houses being built.

1202
01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:19,280
And I mean, I'm not saying Pine State is
building a home on the street behind me

1203
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:22,880
now. Uh, and and you know, um, that is a
two-story home. And we've had homes that

1204
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:25,840
are being built kind of like this and
have been built on Washington Street on

1205
01:42:24,639 --> 01:42:33,040
the corner of Washington Street where
they are uh rear loading um uh row

1206
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:37,679
houses that are twotory that were not uh
historically built on that on in that on

1207
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:42,480
those properties. So um you know I I'm
in favor with the table. Um, I I do want

1208
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:46,159
to see what other municipalities around
us are, how they're dealing. And and I'm

1209
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:49,760
not saying that I'm not taking away the
historic fringe part of it either, but

1210
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:52,719
y'all have to understand that
historically in the Lake Heights

1211
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:57,199
community has a history, too. And I and
I and I won't back down from that as

1212
01:42:54,239 --> 01:43:00,639
well. So, I'm taking all this in when
I'm listening to each and every one of

1213
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:04,880
you. So, I I'm in favor of the table as
well. But, I want to say that so you

1214
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:08,159
understand my heart in this situation as
well. Um, and that doesn't change

1215
01:43:06,719 --> 01:43:13,040
without our I'll vote or anything else
like that. Um, but you know, I

1216
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:16,480
understand you what you're saying and I
understand the effects of hap have

1217
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:20,080
happened throughout the years and also
have to understand I have to be fair to

1218
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:23,280
all citizens of FQA.
Those are my comments. Mr. Mayor,

1219
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:27,040
» thank you for your comments.
Commissioner Smith, you had a comment.

1220
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:31,840
» Yes, sir. I I won't belabor it long. I
think um I think Commissioner Haynes

1221
01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:37,520
covered a lot of the things I wanted to
say trying to look at this. Um I too

1222
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:42,480
have been to the community and met with
several of the folks live in the

1223
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:47,119
community. I've been out on my own just
riding, stopping, looking multiple

1224
01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:50,560
times. Even stopped some poor fellow was
cutting his grass the other day, walked

1225
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:54,239
up in his yard so he'd cut off his
lawnmower and chatted with him about it.

1226
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:58,080
just trying to get a little bit more
information of how the community feels.

1227
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:02,560
But like Commissioner Haynes said, I do
have to look at what we've done in other

1228
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:06,639
communities. Uh what we have built and
allowed to be built. Have to look at

1229
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:12,239
what the land use plan actually says,
what what it states we would do and what

1230
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:17,040
we would support. And I too uh that's
why when you mentioned table I asked you

1231
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:21,280
if it was a motion like you and like
Commissioner Haynes I support a

1232
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:27,119
timelmited
um you know time for us to table it not

1233
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:31,520
not indefinitely um that we can get a
little bit more information maybe direct

1234
01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:36,320
our staff to go and discuss with some of
our similar towns in our region how they

1235
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:40,719
are dealing with this same issue. get a
little bit of history history of what

1236
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:46,239
they're doing to help us make the right
decisions here. Um, obviously we're

1237
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:50,880
getting um good information. I think the
homes that this this builder builds are

1238
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:54,800
nice. Personally, I like the plan. I've
seen some nice rowouses in this general

1239
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:59,199
area, but at the same time, we're
hearing from folks who live right around

1240
01:44:56,960 --> 01:45:04,320
this one who are opposed to it. And I
think it's important that we listen. So

1241
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:08,560
I I would like to also join it with the
course of saying let's put this off. I

1242
01:45:06,639 --> 01:45:13,520
would say no more than a month, second
month and second meeting in September,

1243
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:20,000
something like that. But um I'll defer
to what Mayor Pro Tim or Commissioner

1244
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:24,320
Acock have to say as well.
>> Any other comments?

1245
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:31,360
» Um I'll make a few comments. Uh first of
all to the uh folks that have spoken in

1246
01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:35,280
opposition, I just want to tell y'all um
thank you because I think y'all done a

1247
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:43,760
great job.
um you've uh I've had people call me and

1248
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:51,119
very respectful uh want to uh make sure
I understood the position of the

1249
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:56,239
neighborhood and um you know looked at
uh the board I think as a partner to try

1250
01:45:54,400 --> 01:46:01,280
to come up with the best solution for
the neighborhood. So I appreciate that.

1251
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:07,600
Um
they also appreciate Pine State because

1252
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:14,000
they have done some really good uh built
some really nice assets in the town of

1253
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:19,360
Fugquway Verina. So um you know I I
appreciate what they do but you know we

1254
01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:24,080
can't sometimes um you know that's what
makes our job tough. We get kind of in

1255
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:31,119
between two sides and hope we can come
up with the best solution. Um the TCR,

1256
01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:35,119
we have done some really we we have
approved some TCRs that I think has

1257
01:46:33,199 --> 01:46:38,960
resulted in some really nice stuff
around town, stuff that I personally am

1258
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:47,119
proud of that I think has made the town
a better place. Um, but it is a unique

1259
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:53,119
um, uh, zoning and a lot of the things
that I like about it is it allows uh,

1260
01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:57,440
builders a lot of times to have more uh,
they can build a different it gives them

1261
01:46:54,800 --> 01:47:04,560
more leeway, more product because they
can alter the setbacks in some cases and

1262
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:10,320
it gives them some u more leeway. But
when they've come in, they've always

1263
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:16,719
been able to say, uh, you know, give us
a presentation that made me feel like

1264
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:22,239
the final product was going to be better
than if they just used the existing

1265
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:27,119
zoning that was currently in place. Um
the Lincoln Heights neighborhood is one

1266
01:47:24,239 --> 01:47:31,280
that we have struggled a lot with and a
lot of the lots in that neighborhood

1267
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:38,400
when they are originally platted were
platted 25 foot wide and so somebody

1268
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:42,639
that you know back then it was like
select a size people would buy three

1269
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:46,880
lots and and build their house on it.
Well a developer buys that house and

1270
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:51,760
tears it down and they've legally got
three lots and can build three little

1271
01:47:48,639 --> 01:47:58,080
houses. And so we've used the TCR to try
to get a better product in that uh

1272
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:06,719
situation. And there are other examples
of that. Um in this neighborhood

1273
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:12,960
in general, the lots are not um the lots
are not platted at 25 foot wide. I think

1274
01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:19,679
probably the smallest is about 50 foot
wide. and this proposal is pushing it

1275
01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:27,760
down under 50 feet for most of these
lots. So, I'm trying to see um that the

1276
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:33,119
proposal is going to be something that
will be beneficial. And frankly with

1277
01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:40,159
this crowd here and with what you all
have done or have with with u opposing

1278
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:46,080
it, it makes me say you know um it gives
me a great pause in wanting to approve

1279
01:48:43,679 --> 01:48:51,280
it because you know what I hope is I
hope that the community and the builder

1280
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:55,280
could get together and say look under
the current zoning I can do this but you

1281
01:48:53,760 --> 01:49:00,560
know try to come up with a compromise
everybody can uh feel good about. If

1282
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:07,119
that can't happen, then so be it. But
that would be my my my my my hope. Um I

1283
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:13,679
don't think we need to throw TCR out
with the bath water, baby out with the

1284
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:20,480
bath water. But I do think we need to um
um spend a lot of time just TCR as a

1285
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:25,600
whole on how we deal with it because
these neighborhoods around town are

1286
01:49:22,639 --> 01:49:30,800
different. And if we put the same TCR on
everyone, it puts us in a difficult

1287
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:34,400
position trying to maneuver all the ins
and outs. And you know, the other thing

1288
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:37,440
is there's no sidewalk in front of this.
Some neighborhoods have sidewalks in the

1289
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:40,480
front of the house. It makes a
difference when you talk about

1290
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:48,719
walkability. This one has a sidewalk
beside it. Just all kinds of things like

1291
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:54,400
that. So, um, I am very conflicted on it
and I am not in a position to vote in

1292
01:49:52,239 --> 01:50:02,159
favor of it tonight. So tableabling it
sounds uh like a very reasonable option.

1293
01:49:59,679 --> 01:50:06,880
» Mr. Mayor, I also heard a few uh things,
you know, I I think, you know, we should

1294
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:10,480
take in consideration as a board. Um um
you know, one thing is, you know, we're

1295
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:14,719
still working on trying to find that
missing middle housing that we have here

1296
01:50:12,719 --> 01:50:19,040
in town is still needed. And we all
understand that that, you know, as

1297
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:22,400
property taxes keep going up. It's it's
pricing a lot of senior citizens,

1298
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:25,280
different people out of homes. And now
for our new residents who are coming in

1299
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:29,119
who are just starting to buy their first
home. It's very hard for them to

1300
01:50:26,719 --> 01:50:32,639
purchase homes and get mortgages. So
that is something we still need to

1301
01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:37,040
address at some point in time as a board
and I think it needs to be start to kind

1302
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:40,639
of focus on that which is which is
easier said than done because if you

1303
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:44,159
talk to municipalities all around us
it's it's it's a hard thing to really

1304
01:50:42,159 --> 01:50:48,159
try to figure out you know and it's not
something that we we really got to work

1305
01:50:45,679 --> 01:50:50,639
on that but I think we do. Um, also, you
know, there are some things I've heard

1306
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:54,960
about the historic district, which I
feel like, uh, you know, long term, we

1307
01:50:53,760 --> 01:51:00,000
need to kind of look at some more of the
historic district stuff on to where we

1308
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:04,400
can, uh, work to, uh, preserve some of
that historic district of downtown

1309
01:51:01,679 --> 01:51:08,159
Fugway that was originally there. Uh, I
think we need to make sure that it is n

1310
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:12,000
I think it is nationally recognized or
through the state. I got to find out

1311
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:16,320
which if it's been state and and
nationally recognized as a historic

1312
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:18,719
district uh our down our historic part
of downtown

1313
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:24,000
» Fuway Springs.
>> Well Springs historic district

1314
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:28,560
» well isn't um almost Falcon Park and
everything in the it's not so it's just

1315
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:33,520
Fuway Springs
>> kind of near the spring the few blocks

1316
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:37,119
near the spring but not this is that's
why I think that's why they're calling

1317
01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:40,239
it historic fringe because it's
>> close. Okay.

1318
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:43,520
Thank you.
>> Y you always got to look to the senior

1319
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:48,480
person who's been who's been living a
little bit longer than me. [laughter]

1320
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:52,400
» Thank you. Thank you.
>> Any other comments?

1321
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:54,880
» Yes, I may pro Tim Gardner.
>> I'm not going to criticize you for your

1322
01:51:53,827 --> 01:51:58,760
[laughter] I'm not going to criticize
you for your youth and inexperience.

1323
01:52:00,377 --> 01:52:05,520
[laughter]
>> Oh boy, what a great comeback.

1324
01:52:03,599 --> 01:52:09,520
» I can use that.
>> Mayor, you can say that for me, too.

1325
01:52:08,237 --> 01:52:13,840
» [laughter]
>> Um

1326
01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:17,599
I I have some experience in these in a
lot of different areas with this area

1327
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:25,920
too. I mean with this part of town too.
Um I actually was u with my listing

1328
01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:29,599
partner. We sold the property that was
now some of you are going to know where

1329
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:36,719
this was Donald Cotton's old house on
Inis Street and that house um had some

1330
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:40,159
serious and you know we we called it my
partner and I called it the little house

1331
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:44,320
that kept on taking
>> because uh it it we just kept finding

1332
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:52,400
problems that had to be addressed and it
it it needed to be torn down too. And I

1333
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:59,280
I understand um that the
uh p the the the builder that bought

1334
01:52:55,840 --> 01:53:06,960
that lot was hoping to make to to have
three houses on that lot. Uh and the

1335
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:12,719
town approved two and um
I mean it wasn't as offensive to me as I

1336
01:53:09,599 --> 01:53:19,679
thought it would be. I also lived in the
Fquway uh Springs Historic Residential

1337
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:23,520
District. for 12 and a half years until
family circumstances of a couple of

1338
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:30,000
deaths in my family including my late
husband. Um I I had to move to a smaller

1339
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:35,040
house because everybody was leaving me
in this in this old wonderful house and

1340
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:39,199
I I didn't want to leave. I didn't want
to leave because I I I know I love

1341
01:53:37,679 --> 01:53:44,080
exactly the things you all were
describing and I lived that life for 12

1342
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:47,840
and a half years. So I I understand a
lot of what I'm hearing, but I heard

1343
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:54,159
lots of new things that I had not even
considered. And I had been going through

1344
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:58,880
these, you know, the things uh in our um
land development

1345
01:53:56,080 --> 01:54:03,520
uh paperwork here and making notes and
you all brought you did such a beautiful

1346
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:07,760
job and you were so respectful
expressing your opinions and we thank

1347
01:54:05,440 --> 01:54:13,360
you for for this presentation you did
tonight. You served your community well.

1348
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:17,520
Um, I am not ready to make a decision
tonight. In fact, I'd already c called

1349
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:22,080
and left the mayor a message earlier to
today that I thought if I didn't hear

1350
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:26,159
anything, I wanted to hear what was said
and presented tonight, but that I was re

1351
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:31,599
really feeling conflicted and thinking
we needed more time to consider this

1352
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:39,199
because it does represent more than just
this project. I do understand that and I

1353
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:44,320
I agree with everything these my my
other commissioners here have my fellow

1354
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:50,880
commissioners have said. Um and and I
think we need to take some time to think

1355
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:57,119
about this uh traditional
historic one of our oldest residential

1356
01:54:53,840 --> 01:55:00,480
neighborhoods. And um the you know the
thing that we're always hearing other

1357
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:06,880
people say about this town when they
come is something about the charm. And I

1358
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:13,280
know that this community this this area
um adds to that to that impression of

1359
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:16,960
charm that people have when they come to
this town. And you expressed it

1360
01:55:14,719 --> 01:55:22,480
beautifully tonight. But I think we do
need to to just find out what some other

1361
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:27,040
communities have how they've handled
these issues because North Carolina is

1362
01:55:24,719 --> 01:55:31,280
growing fast all over and we we're not
alone in some of the issues we're

1363
01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:37,920
facing. Thank you all for being here and
for um expressing your concerns and

1364
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:43,679
thank you Pine State for the beautiful
work that you have um done throughout

1365
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:48,639
our town. you you have you have have
built some quality products and we

1366
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:51,119
appreciate that. So, um I would like to
make a motion, mayor.

1367
01:55:49,840 --> 01:56:00,440
» All right, you
>> um I move that we table consideration of

1368
01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:00,440
um the re-2026-11

1369
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:12,560
uh zoning map amendment to to the second
meeting in September. Is that adequate

1370
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:16,080
to say it that way, James? attorney
>> sec second meeting in September. The

1371
01:56:14,719 --> 01:56:19,520
date
>> September 22nd.

1372
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:21,840
» September 22nd.
>> Yes, sir.

1373
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:23,760
» Okay, that would be the second meeting.
>> Yes, sir.

1374
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:32,480
» I'll I'll second that motion.
>> Uh, all right. We have a motion on the

1375
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:39,599
floor that we uh table 202611
to be heard again September 22nd, 2026.

1376
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:45,760
Mr. Town Manager, you have a comment.
Does that motion include any direction

1377
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:48,960
for management and staff to do anything
between that time?

1378
01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:52,800
» Can I amend that and add that to it?
>> With the request of management staff

1379
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:58,000
research similarsized towns in our
region as to residential redevelopment

1380
01:56:55,199 --> 01:57:02,800
and residential infield development uh
in areas located near the downtown areas

1381
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:05,599
of those communities. Would that
suffice, Mr. Manager?

1382
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:08,480
» Second. That
>> Okay. Okay. Well, we what we just heard

1383
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:12,080
then a motion and amendment to the
motion. You second the amendment.

1384
01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:15,679
» Second the amendment. Yes.
>> All right. All those in favor of the

1385
01:57:13,599 --> 01:57:17,840
amendment to the original motion, let it
be known by saying I.

1386
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:21,679
» I.
>> Any oppose?

1387
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:24,960
» Eyes have it. The original motion dies.
Thank you. Thank you so much. So, you

1388
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:29,520
have clear direction.
>> Mr. Mayor, I think we need to approve

1389
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:33,679
the amended motion, right?
>> We approve the We voted to approve the

1390
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:37,760
amended motion. I think
>> I just added amendment to her motion.

1391
01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:42,239
» I think you voted for the amendment.
>> The the amended motion

1392
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:44,719
» further clarified directions for the
staff. Correct.

1393
01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:47,119
» So now we need to vote on the motion now
that it's been amended.

1394
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:50,880
» That's right.
>> The amended. All right. We go we go back

1395
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:55,520
to the main motion.
>> Now the Now the motion is amended. So we

1396
01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:58,320
just get a second and a vote.
>> Uh Commissioner Warren, you didn't

1397
01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:02,400
second that amendment.
>> I So I second amendment. We approved the

1398
01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:04,400
motion and um I think we now have to
approve the

1399
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:08,560
» amended motion
>> as amended. [laughter]

1400
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:12,880
» Okay. All right. Sorry.
Now, do I hear a motion to approve the

1401
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:15,679
amended motion?
>> I

1402
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:16,800
» can I do it since I did the other
motion?

1403
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:20,560
» No.
>> No. Somebody else should.

1404
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:24,000
» So moved.
>> All right. So moved. All those in favor

1405
01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:26,719
let it be known by saying I.
>> I. Any oppose?

1406
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:34,092
» Did we have to second that?
>> I have it. Yes. All right. Are we clear?

1407
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:34,092
» I I am I am clear. Yes, [laughter]

1408
01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:41,199
» Mr. Mayor. I guess before a lot of the
uh citizens in that uh in that area

1409
01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:44,560
leave, you know, you know, just thinking
as we're sitting here thinking uh you

1410
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:48,560
know uh we still want to hear your
comments on how, you know, you want to

1411
01:58:46,159 --> 01:58:52,000
shape, you know, uh your area of the
community. I think that's also another

1412
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:56,719
thing that we can can be raised is
oftent times we struggle with trying to

1413
01:58:54,080 --> 01:59:02,159
link our our two downtowns together. And
you know, if you use two of those roads

1414
01:58:59,679 --> 01:59:06,320
in that community, you can link Fugway
to Verina on a more safer route at

1415
01:59:04,719 --> 01:59:09,599
times. So, you know, there's a lot of
opportunities we can look at long term

1416
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:13,920
or where we can kind of link those roads
and we can take from the Fugquway

1417
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:18,480
downtown in a different route compared
to going straight down Main Street at a

1418
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:22,719
safer walking uh having safer walking
paths and different things would take us

1419
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:26,000
to the verena side uh right up uh in
street. So, you know, those are some

1420
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:29,679
things, you know, just throwing out
there for the citizens to give us some

1421
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:33,840
feedback on long term and where we can
kind of work on some different things.

1422
01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:37,760
Thank you'all for being here.
>> Any other comments? Okay. All right.

1423
01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:44,880
Thank Thank you all. We're going to move
now on to item

1424
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:51,440
7D. Continuing with public hearings, the
zoning map amendment and land use plan

1425
01:59:47,280 --> 02:00:00,639
amendment. Samson Blaten Oil Company.
uh 2201 2205 and a portion of 2221

1426
01:59:55,679 --> 02:00:06,719
Pinery Grove Wilburn Road RAZ 202612.
Thank you all so much for coming. We

1427
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:10,159
appreciate it so much.
Planning Director Davidson.

1428
02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:14,400
» Thank you. I'm submitting the agenda
abstract and supporting documents into

1429
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:17,520
the official records of the town.
The purpose of this agenda item is to

1430
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:23,520
consider a requested zoning map
amendment for a total of 4.591 acres

1431
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:27,520
located at 22012205
in a portion of 2221

1432
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:31,599
Piny Grove Won Road from the
neighborhood commercial and residential

1433
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:35,679
agricultural zoning districts to the
general commercial conditional zoning

1434
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:38,480
district and corresponding land use plan
amendment from the neighborhood

1435
02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:43,920
commercial classification to the
suburban commercial classification.

1436
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:47,520
The property currently contains an
existing convenience store and is the

1437
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:51,679
proposed location of Handy Hugo's gas
station, which is currently under site

1438
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:56,320
plan review. Recent amendments to the
land development ordinance redefined

1439
02:00:53,599 --> 02:01:00,159
convenience stores with gas pumps to gas
stations, which are now only allowed in

1440
02:00:58,719 --> 02:01:04,000
the corridor, commercial, and general
commercial zoning districts. This

1441
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:07,280
resoning request and proposed land use
plan amendment will serve to better

1442
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:11,280
align the current and future use of the
property with the land development

1443
02:01:08,719 --> 02:01:15,199
ordinance. Although the requested zoning
map amendment is not consistent with the

1444
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:19,520
2040 community vision land use plan, the
petitioner has also submitted a request

1445
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:24,560
to amend the land use designation to
suburban commercial which supports the

1446
02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:29,199
land use plans policies 2.6 to encourage
commercial development

1447
02:01:26,639 --> 02:01:33,679
and 4.1 to manage future growth and
development in accordance with priority

1448
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:37,520
investment areas map. This resoning was
subject to the town's new traffic impact

1449
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:43,520
standards and the development will be
designed in accordance with the NC DOT

1450
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:49,040
TIA review recommendations including
internal protected stem lengths, storage

1451
02:01:46,159 --> 02:01:54,320
lanes, and lane ninja improvements. On
July 20th, 2026, the planning board

1452
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:59,679
unanimously recommended approval. The
suggested motion tonight is to approve

1453
02:01:56,239 --> 02:02:05,280
rec 202612, a zoning map amendment for
22012205

1454
02:02:02,239 --> 02:02:08,880
and a portion of 2221 Piney Grove Won
Road from the neighborhood commercial

1455
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:12,719
and residential agricultural zoning
districts to the general commercial

1456
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:16,080
conditional zoning district and
corresponding land use amendment from

1457
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:20,719
the neighborhood commercial
classification to the suburban

1458
02:02:18,239 --> 02:02:24,080
commercial classification as it is
reasonable and in the best interest of

1459
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:28,080
the public. for the reasons identified
by management and staff. I'm available

1460
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:33,760
if you have any questions.
>> Thank you.

1461
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:37,760
» The hearing is now open.
>> Does anyone wish to speak in favor of

1462
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:41,159
the zoning map amendment and land use
plan amendment?

1463
02:02:41,679 --> 02:02:47,599
» Mayor, good evening again. John Adcock
Law Firm at 202 East Academy Street. I'm

1464
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:50,960
here on behalf of the owner and the
applicant. Um, the purpose of this

1465
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:54,960
zoning map amendment is to redevelop
what's an existing convenience store

1466
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:58,800
that's been there since the 1950s, one
that I grew up going to and still do.

1467
02:02:57,119 --> 02:03:04,800
Um, it's very limited in what type of
services it can provide. Um, the uh the

1468
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:09,280
this will be a modern uh convenience
store with that also has retail gasoline

1469
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:12,639
sales. Um, there was a question brought
to the planning board about the size of

1470
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:17,360
the property. Part of the reason the
property is the size that it is because

1471
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:22,239
this project will be supp um serviced by
a a private septic system. Um so in

1472
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:26,159
order to do that there will need to be a
area for the septic system and a repair

1473
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:30,800
field. So when you look at the acreage
on this project uh it it's not

1474
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:34,800
indicative of how big of a project this
is going to be. A lot of it's associated

1475
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:38,480
with the septic field. Um also I'll
speak briefly to the transportation

1476
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:43,360
improvements. Um as you know that's my
that's my uh neighborhood out there. uh

1477
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:47,199
that intersection needs uh a lot of help
and this project is going to bring that

1478
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:51,760
together with what was just passed in
the state's budget uh money dedicated to

1479
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:54,719
adding turn lanes to that intersection.
So that intersection is going to see

1480
02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:58,159
significant improvements in the near
future partly because of this project

1481
02:03:56,239 --> 02:04:02,000
and partly because of the state budget.
So we asked that it be approved and I'm

1482
02:04:00,239 --> 02:04:04,639
here to ask answer any questions if you
have any.

1483
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:08,040
» Thank you. Thank you so much. We
appreciate it.

1484
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:13,400
Any further

1485
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:20,560
interest in speaking in favor of the
zoning map amendment and land use plan

1486
02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:24,639
amendment?
All right. Does anyone wish to speak in

1487
02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:28,760
opposition to the zoning map amendment
and land use plan amendment?

1488
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:35,440
Okay. The hearing is now closed. Any
discussion by the board?

1489
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:38,880
» Mor.
>> What is the pleasure of the board? Mr.

1490
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:43,119
Mayor, I'm uh I mean, honestly, I'm
excited to hear that we're g it's going

1491
02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:45,840
to be some gas pumps put out there if
there's been plenty of times I went to

1492
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:49,280
church right down the street and I was
running low on gas and had to pray all

1493
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:53,040
the way back to Sheets or somewhere else
to get back. So, uh to be able to run

1494
02:04:51,679 --> 02:04:56,400
right there and that was when as a
little kid we used to always go to that

1495
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:59,520
corner store and get our candy after
church. So, it's just exciting to see

1496
02:04:58,159 --> 02:05:03,280
we're going we going to get some gas
pumps out there so I get a little gas.

1497
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:07,280
So, I'm excited about it. So, uh Mr.
Mayor, if there is no other comments,

1498
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:08,719
I'll make a motion. Say so move.
>> Second.

1499
02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:14,901
» Second.
>> Although I'm excited to have Downtown

1500
02:05:11,199 --> 02:05:17,920
Wilin incorporated into the amendments.
[laughter]

1501
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:21,840
» Thank you.
>> I just want to

1502
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:26,239
I just want to thank John Eco real quick
for sitting sitting here and presenting.

1503
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:29,966
Um, you know, I had kind of meant to
suggest that we shift the order of these

1504
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:32,800
public hearings so that he could
[laughter]

1505
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:36,400
so he maybe could have gotten out here a
little sooner, but so thank you for

1506
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:42,480
being here.
>> Any other comment?

1507
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:46,639
All right, the motion has been made and
properly second. All those in favor of

1508
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:49,440
the motion, let it know by saying I.
>> I.

1509
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:55,360
» Any opposed? Eyes have it. Motion
carries. Thank you so much.

1510
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:59,520
Item 7E,
zoning

1511
02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:07,520
zoning map amendment,
M MI mi Homes of Raleigh LLC,

1512
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:13,199
uh 06921 and a portion of 6823 Sunset
Lake Road, Rez 202518.

1513
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:17,760
More information about this agenda item
will be presented by planning director

1514
02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:21,119
Davidson. It's my last one tonight. So,
I'm submitting the agenda abstract and

1515
02:06:19,599 --> 02:06:25,199
supporting documents into the official
record of the town.

1516
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:30,000
» The purpose of this agenda item is to
consider a requested zoning map

1517
02:06:26,719 --> 02:06:37,040
amendment for a total of 27.63 acres
located at 0 6921 in a portion of 6823

1518
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:42,079
Sunset Lake Road from the residential
medium density conditional zoning

1519
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:47,440
district to the planned unit development
zoning district. Um there is a pond on

1520
02:06:45,119 --> 02:06:51,440
the property um that is scheduled for
drainage. This pond is classified as a

1521
02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:55,440
high hazard dam and has received a
violation notice from the North Carolina

1522
02:06:53,199 --> 02:07:00,159
State Dam Safety Program. It's actually
located approximately 15 feet above the

1523
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:04,400
adjacent Ballentine Dairy Road. It's
overgrown with large trees, so it's been

1524
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:08,000
determined to be problematic.
The properties are currently zoned

1525
02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:14,480
residential medium density conditional
zoning district as part of re207

1526
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:18,480
from 2007. The properties were reszoned
with the condition that they develop as

1527
02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:21,840
an open space subdivision. Since the
property was not developed and open

1528
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:25,840
space subdivision is no longer
development option, the petitioner has

1529
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:29,040
opted to reszone to planned unit
development, the town's current

1530
02:07:27,119 --> 02:07:33,760
equivalent of an open space center
development.

1531
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:37,440
The requested zoning is consistent with
the 2040 comprehensive land use plan.

1532
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:43,040
The master plan and narrative included
with the request ensure that the future

1533
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:47,280
uses fit into the development context
and demonstrate compliance with the

1534
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:50,960
zoning conditions. Um and they offered
many many of those zoning conditions

1535
02:07:49,119 --> 02:07:56,480
additionally meet the goals of the 2040
land use plan. On July 20th, 2026, the

1536
02:07:54,800 --> 02:08:02,320
planning board unanimously recommended
approval. The suggested motion tonight

1537
02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:07,760
is to approve REZ 202518, a zoning map
amendment for 06921

1538
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:11,840
and a portion of 6823 Sunset Lake Road
from the residential medium density

1539
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:15,920
conditional zoning district to the
planned unit development zoning district

1540
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:20,079
at is it is reasonable and in the best
interest for the public of the public

1541
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:22,639
for the reasons identified by management
and staff.

1542
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:27,119
» Thank you so much. M
>> M Mr. Mayor, just a point of order if I

1543
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:34,079
think we might still have an open motion
on the floor from the last item. I don't

1544
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:37,480
we we seconded it, but do we
>> vote on it?

1545
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:50,000
» Okay. Yeah. Yeah, there was a motion
second, but I I don't recall.

1546
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:55,520
» We
did. Okay. My apologies.

1547
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:58,560
Yeah, he said all in favor.
>> Okay.

1548
02:08:57,280 --> 02:09:01,589
» We're going to take a break in about
five minutes [laughter]

1549
02:09:01,599 --> 02:09:05,480
» after we get through this.

1550
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:10,960
» Does any Thank you, ma'am.
>> I've got some questions.

1551
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:14,000
» Uh, does anyone wish to speak in favor
of the zoning map amendment?

1552
02:09:12,639 --> 02:09:21,320
» Can I ask some questions?
>> Oh, you have a question director.

1553
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:21,320
» I'm sorry. Sure. Sure. Commissioner,

1554
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:28,639
» um, can you tell me about the historic
district and how this

1555
02:09:28,159 --> 02:09:32,000
» Yes.
>> plays into that?

1556
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:37,520
» It doesn't really. Historic districts
are voluntary. Valentine Farms is also

1557
02:09:34,639 --> 02:09:41,360
in the historic district and it's a
subdivision. So,

1558
02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:46,239
» um,
>> unfortunately or fortunately, um,

1559
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:50,800
they're voluntary and so they really
don't have a lot of weight or or

1560
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:56,679
bearing. There's no, um, standards or
restrictions applied. So, um,

1561
02:09:57,119 --> 02:10:06,800
when the town was planning on the
basically the bypass road that's going

1562
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:11,360
to go from Five Points
>> and then fly over 401 and cross Sunset

1563
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:17,800
Lake and then
>> 5751,

1564
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:17,800
» it was Yes. Now,

1565
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:26,719
the original plan was to it was going to
take out some houses

1566
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:32,960
» because
you had to move it just enough to avoid

1567
02:10:30,320 --> 02:10:37,920
the um historic district
>> and CDOT put a higher priority on that

1568
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:43,679
historic district than I think may have
been warranted due to the fact that it

1569
02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:50,960
is voluntary in nature.
So, I guess my heartburn is with it is,

1570
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:59,679
you know, they've put a it's on a
national register of historic places,

1571
02:10:54,880 --> 02:11:05,330
which ties the town's hands apparently
when we're trying to improve the

1572
02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:13,280
community with roads.
[snorts] But when it's time to for them

1573
02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:18,560
to sell it, we have no um
authority to do anything that we might

1574
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:24,000
not do on any other property.
>> My understanding is this historic

1575
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:28,239
designation is voluntary.
So, even if they're contributing uh

1576
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:33,119
buildings on the property for the
National Historic District, we don't ask

1577
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:37,599
uh historic
uh commission or any kind of we we

1578
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:40,400
wouldn't ask for feedback on something
like this.

1579
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:44,719
» So, we can definitely ask that. So, it
to my knowledge there are no historic

1580
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:48,639
buildings that have been determined on
this. For example, a village of Lake

1581
02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:53,840
Wheeler had a historic house, right? um
that Shipo did get involved in. Um and

1582
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:58,000
in the end, they did end up renovating
that house and creating its own separate

1583
02:11:55,440 --> 02:12:02,079
lot and such. So um if there are
historic buildings designated, we will

1584
02:11:59,920 --> 02:12:07,280
definitely work with Capital Area
Preservation and the State Historic

1585
02:12:04,239 --> 02:12:10,800
Office of Preservation um to identify
that and and preserve it.

1586
02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:16,079
» We do that first.
To my knowledge, the the property

1587
02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:19,040
developer is here and he can probably
speak better to any existing structures,

1588
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:23,199
but to my knowledge, there are no
existing structures on this portion of

1589
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:29,920
the property. Being that this is the
southern side of the horse farm. So, the

1590
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:33,520
majority of of existing structures are
on the northern portion that is not

1591
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:39,040
included in this development at this
time.

1592
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:46,560
» Well, the you know, Carolyn Elliot lived
in a in a house that I think was a old

1593
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:54,840
Valentine
home. Um,

1594
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:54,840
Ly Ballentine was the

1595
02:12:55,679 --> 02:13:03,920
he was the commissioner of agriculture
for a long time in the state and it was

1596
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:11,679
his dairy
and the milking house was where this

1597
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:13,920
subdivision is being planned.
Um,

1598
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:18,560
» is that what they call the crearyy?
Because they've offered the crearyy to

1599
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:24,560
the museums. I don't know. I don't know.
I know. I went there when I was a kid

1600
02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:31,920
and watched them um milk cows and I dug
worms out of the manure and fished in

1601
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:36,560
the pond. Um so I'm fairly familiar with
it. I just get a little heartburn when

1602
02:13:34,800 --> 02:13:42,320
people
make their property national register

1603
02:13:39,119 --> 02:13:47,840
historic places and
um

1604
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:52,719
then one day it's like they want to
forget they did that.

1605
02:13:50,159 --> 02:14:00,320
So, I I just would like to make sure
that the historic preservation folks

1606
02:13:57,679 --> 02:14:02,800
um at least look at it and give some
feedback to us,

1607
02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:06,639
» right? We can definitely ask those
questions. Um, I just pulled up the the

1608
02:14:05,199 --> 02:14:10,159
preliminary subdivision plans have
already been staff reviewed. And so

1609
02:14:08,159 --> 02:14:14,000
there there are a couple of existing
brick and concrete foundations that are

1610
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:17,280
noticed to be removed and there are a
couple existing buildings to be

1611
02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:20,480
demolished and removed. So again, the
the developer may be able to speak to

1612
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:24,400
their context and we can definitely
check with um Cabillary Preservation and

1613
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:28,639
just make sure that there's there's
nothing on their radar.

1614
02:14:25,679 --> 02:14:34,960
» Okay.
Any other questions of of Director

1615
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:39,920
Davidson?
All right.

1616
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:44,920
The the hearing is now open. Does anyone
wish to speak in favor of the zoning map

1617
02:14:41,920 --> 02:14:44,920
amendment?

1618
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:53,199
Good evening.
>> Good evening, U Mayor Harris and Mayor

1619
02:14:50,719 --> 02:14:58,560
Proten Gardner. Thank you uh for hearing
us today. Um, thank you to Pam and uh

1620
02:14:56,960 --> 02:15:03,360
all of the staff that did a great job
helping us coordinating this project. It

1621
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:06,719
took um not not more than other
municipalities which is great but um

1622
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:10,400
coordinating with them has been a
pleasure and I just want to give a a

1623
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:14,079
quick shout out to them. Um I do want to
touch on some of the historic questions

1624
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:19,119
that you had uh Commissioner Adcock just
prior to get to that I just want to give

1625
02:15:16,159 --> 02:15:23,280
a quick background on MI. Um MI is no
stranger to FE wave Arena. Um we have

1626
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:28,560
presence in town with another project
called Kohley Preserve that's underway

1627
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:31,920
right now. Um that's a 61 acre 153 lot
subdivision that's nearing its

1628
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:36,960
completion. But what's in front of you
today takes a far less dense approach.

1629
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:41,679
Um after taking a lot of careful
consideration um with the surrounding

1630
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:47,199
areas and the historical nature of this
region um and in addition to staff's

1631
02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:51,360
input, the proposed lots vary from 8,000
10,000 square feet with uh quality homes

1632
02:15:50,079 --> 02:15:55,760
designed to provide more of a
traditional farmhouse feel. Uh the

1633
02:15:54,079 --> 02:16:01,199
neighborhood itself will be craft
crafted to reflect a horse farm theme

1634
02:15:58,719 --> 02:16:05,119
reflecting the existing horse barn and
its longstanding use. We'll be

1635
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:09,360
incorporating [clears throat] a covered
pavilion and will overlook the proposed

1636
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:13,760
SCM with additional program for family
activities. We did hold a neighborhood

1637
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:17,440
meeting with our neighbors to discuss
the project and we're grateful for their

1638
02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:21,280
participation and cooperation. We have
had no objection to this project from

1639
02:16:19,440 --> 02:16:25,199
existing residents. We hosted additional
meetings to particularly discuss the

1640
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:28,960
draining of the existing pond which the
neighbors understood that it is

1641
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:32,559
necessary. I personally investigated the
pond and spent a lot of times and

1642
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:36,479
resources trying to find and figure out
how we could keep this pond because it

1643
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:40,160
really is it's a beautiful pond uh when
you go out there. However, the elevation

1644
02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:46,240
of the dam no matter what we do to
rehabilitate that dam stands so high

1645
02:16:42,960 --> 02:16:50,319
above Balentine Dair Road that it it is
uh posing danger to existing residents

1646
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:54,240
and future residents. Um, it is
important to note that we will not be

1647
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:58,000
picking up additional lots as a result
of draining this pond. We are not

1648
02:16:55,679 --> 02:17:01,040
draining this pond for profit or for
gaining lots. We're doing it for the

1649
02:16:59,359 --> 02:17:04,880
safety of their our proposed and
existing residents.

1650
02:17:02,880 --> 02:17:08,719
Um, we're also making additional
commitments to best screen our neighbors

1651
02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:12,479
and to make sure that we're welcoming
um, and we're coming in with the right

1652
02:17:10,399 --> 02:17:16,160
mentality and the right attitude um, to
be good neighbors to everybody. And to

1653
02:17:14,319 --> 02:17:21,519
conclude, [clears throat] uh,
Commissioner Adcock, we did submit, um,

1654
02:17:19,359 --> 02:17:25,120
a formal report to Shipo on those
existing structures. Shipo came back and

1655
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:28,800
reported that.
>> What's Shipo?

1656
02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:33,679
» Uh, it's the historical the National
Historical Preservation. I forget the

1657
02:17:31,599 --> 02:17:38,399
actual terminology for it. I wish I
could reference that, but it we whenever

1658
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:41,840
we do do our due diligence of a of a
project, we always submit, we [snorts]

1659
02:17:40,399 --> 02:17:45,840
do our phase one studies, we do
everything to make sure that everything

1660
02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:50,160
that we're proposing and we may be
tearing apart on site is is in

1661
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:53,760
accordance to uh everything every
national regulation and shipo had

1662
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:58,800
reported back that they have no interest
in any historical features on this site.

1663
02:17:55,920 --> 02:18:03,760
However, we have understood that there
is I'm sorry I'm just answering Mr. feel

1664
02:18:02,319 --> 02:18:08,240
free to answer the question. Yes,
>> we would like to still coordinate with

1665
02:18:06,399 --> 02:18:13,760
the town's whatever historic
organization in town and allow them to

1666
02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:17,599
come and visit. Um I cannot we pro we
will not be able to keep the actual full

1667
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:22,000
structure, but what we would love to do
is donate any historical pieces that may

1668
02:18:20,240 --> 02:18:26,160
be found in that barn for any kind of
preservation that the town would like to

1669
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:30,319
keep. Um, and to sum that up, you know,
we've been fortunate to work to uh to

1670
02:18:28,399 --> 02:18:33,920
work with a brilliant team of town staff
and to mold this project in the best

1671
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:38,559
case of uh that we believe is the best
case use for this land. And you know,

1672
02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:40,240
thank you for your time and ask you for
your approval today.

1673
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:45,920
» Thank you.
>> Does has the town received that um

1674
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:49,200
response from
>> Yeah. Well, um I'm not sure that that's

1675
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:55,840
a formal, but I'd be happy to provide
that to Pam and and all of our staff.

1676
02:18:51,359 --> 02:19:01,120
Yeah, absolutely. Um the uh
this is just this is me. Um well, I kind

1677
02:18:59,679 --> 02:19:05,599
of gave you some background. I'm sitting
here thinking, you know, we we were

1678
02:19:03,280 --> 02:19:12,559
going to we were going to take out
people's houses to save a sliver of a

1679
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:19,439
field on the on the uh south end of this
historic district, which blew my mind.

1680
02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:24,639
But here it's like, well, there's
nothing there and it doesn't matter. And

1681
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:27,840
so, you know, you get
it. It's like u whatever suits

1682
02:19:27,439 --> 02:19:35,920
» sure
>> the for the day. But to me, one of the

1683
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:43,439
the the north side of or the north side
of Terrible Creek that what made that

1684
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:49,120
unique was that it was a dairy,
not that it was a horse farm.

1685
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:56,000
» Sure. The horse farm really became what
it was in my mind after the dairy

1686
02:19:52,160 --> 02:20:02,000
disappeared in the 80s. But the dairy is
really what made it I think historic

1687
02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:09,439
that northern part the north of Terrible
Creek. um and where this was um in my

1688
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:17,920
memory that's where the cows were mil.
People around here talk about um one of

1689
02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:23,760
the unique things in Fugquway Verina in
you know prior to the mid 80s was when

1690
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:31,200
you went down Sunset Lake Road twice a
day the cows crossed the street and they

1691
02:20:28,319 --> 02:20:36,080
the Ballentine subdivision
is was the big field where the cows kind

1692
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:41,840
of spent most of their time. But they
would walk them across the street and go

1693
02:20:38,319 --> 02:20:45,760
here and milk them twice a day. And so
you'd have to sit there and wait for the

1694
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:48,560
cows to cross the street.
>> Sure.

1695
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:52,479
» Um which anybody driving up in down
Sunset Lake Road today, that's kind of

1696
02:20:51,040 --> 02:21:00,560
hard to believe, but that's the way it
was. And the person that started that um

1697
02:20:56,880 --> 02:21:06,560
that uh dairy was in North Carolina
history a pretty pretty um significant

1698
02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:12,560
person I think because he was the
agriculture commissioner for many years

1699
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:19,520
before Jim Graham became agriculture
commissioner. So to me, um, if there's

1700
02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:27,120
really nothing there to preserve,
um, I mean, this is just this is just my

1701
02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:33,359
opinion. I would like to see some nod to
the dairy, but that's just me. Um, as

1702
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:38,960
far as the development goes, um, you
know, some something to to um, make note

1703
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:47,040
of that. But I would love for you to
meet with uh some of the uh museums

1704
02:21:42,399 --> 02:21:51,120
folks just to make sure there's nothing
that we're missing here.

1705
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:55,120
» And and uh Commissioner, we we certainly
planned on doing that. Like I said

1706
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:59,040
before, we we want to be good residents
of Fwave Arena. We have every intention

1707
02:21:56,960 --> 02:22:02,800
of of trying to preserve any historical
features that may be on this site. Mhm.

1708
02:22:00,880 --> 02:22:07,600
» Um, from my understanding, the more
historical features are on the northern

1709
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:13,280
parcel on Miss Caroline Elliot's
property. Um,

1710
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:17,200
» and she has more of the longstanding
farmhouse and she has some more. She's

1711
02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:19,840
actually invested in that. I'm not too
familiar with

1712
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:23,200
» her house is not on this on this what
we're looking at.

1713
02:22:20,479 --> 02:22:26,720
» No, she she is a part seller of this
property. She's selling us essentially

1714
02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:30,640
the top left corner of what you see
here, but it's not

1715
02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:35,040
» uh her property. What she's selling us
is just barren land. Um what whatever

1716
02:22:33,680 --> 02:22:39,920
historical features that you would see
on here would be on the bottom right um

1717
02:22:37,439 --> 02:22:44,319
part of the property here. And like I
said, we we we my team internally, we've

1718
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:46,960
been investigating to see how we can
coordinate with historical organizations

1719
02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:50,240
to see.
>> I appreciate what you do. I don't have

1720
02:22:48,960 --> 02:22:54,399
any problem with residential
development. I like it.

1721
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:58,720
» But especially when you've got a spot
that's in a national historic register.

1722
02:22:57,120 --> 02:23:05,520
I just want to make sure
>> we're not overlooking something that we

1723
02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:10,319
would regret. The other thing is um that
dairy story is a good story. It's a good

1724
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:14,319
thing. [laughter] It's a good thing for
people talk about Fugquway Vina as being

1725
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:18,160
unique
>> and there's a lot of things that make

1726
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:23,120
Fugquway Vina unique, but in my mind,
one of the things that makes it unique

1727
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:27,680
is the history of that dairy. Um, and so
I would like to have some nod to it one

1728
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:32,240
way or the other. Um,
>> well, you can you can take it from me,

1729
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:36,080
um, that we're happy we're it's my
pleasure to meet with, uh, any

1730
02:23:34,319 --> 02:23:39,680
historical pre preservation group in
Fugquway that would be willing to come

1731
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:44,479
out. I'll meet them on site as well and
we can talk through whatever. I, like I

1732
02:23:41,439 --> 02:23:49,040
said, I can't keep the actual farmhouse.
Uh, but I'm happy to donate it all if

1733
02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:53,040
they want to take some of that to a
museum. We'd love to dedicate maybe a

1734
02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:58,160
plaque or some kind of historical
feature along the property to to do that

1735
02:23:55,439 --> 02:24:02,479
and um it would be my pleasure.
>> What is the proposed name of the of the

1736
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:08,399
subdivision?
>> Uh right now it's it's we've called it a

1737
02:24:06,319 --> 02:24:13,840
couple things. Galloway Crossing, Sunset
Lake. Um my marketing team is eventually

1738
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:20,000
going to have the final say. Uh but
>> you think y'all would be open to

1739
02:24:15,760 --> 02:24:26,000
something that nods to the dairy?
>> Yeah, sure. So, just just so you know,

1740
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:30,399
the the current um use of or the the
historical use of this particular piece

1741
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:33,200
of property was a horse farm. Okay.
>> And so we have actually made a

1742
02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:36,640
commitment if you look through the
commitments, we are going to be making

1743
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:43,200
» the milking barn was not on this
property. I I personally am not totally

1744
02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:48,000
sure. It's the every historical research
that we've gathered is that this was a

1745
02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:53,680
horse barn in a horse pasture. And so we
have in our commitments we are

1746
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:59,120
dedicating um if you look through I'm
sorry I can pull it up the last one just

1747
02:24:55,439 --> 02:25:03,359
to be clear. I'm reading this right. Um
monumentation at the entrance will

1748
02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:06,880
emphasize a horse theme accent fencing
at the entry and common areas will

1749
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:11,359
include split rail fencing and brick
columns. So even our entry monuments

1750
02:25:08,960 --> 02:25:16,000
» do you know why this property was put on
the national because I'm I'm not sure I

1751
02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:20,800
know why this little piece here not
little but this triangle here. Why was

1752
02:25:18,800 --> 02:25:22,720
it on the national register of historic
place?

1753
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:26,960
» That's a great question. Uh this
property has a long long long history.

1754
02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:30,960
It could have been anybody. Um my
understanding is it's likely because of

1755
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:35,280
it the historic the barn that was there
if you do visit it there there is an

1756
02:25:33,280 --> 02:25:38,479
asphalt and you can see the barn and you
can see where where that used to be and

1757
02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:41,120
that could possibly be it. But as of
right now that barn is pretty much in

1758
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:43,680
ruins.
>> Okay. It's probably answer any

1759
02:25:43,439 --> 02:25:47,120
questions.
>> It's probably been 40 years since

1760
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:51,760
» Yeah.
>> any dairy activity happened out there.

1761
02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:55,359
» Yeah. But I'm happy to answer any
further questions. I'll be around.

1762
02:25:53,280 --> 02:26:00,640
» Thank you very much. We appreciate your
taking time to answer the questions.

1763
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:04,520
Does anyone else wish to speak in favor
of the zoning map amendment?

1764
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:11,960
Does anyone wish to speak in opposition
to the zoning map amendment?

1765
02:26:16,960 --> 02:26:22,479
» Good evening.
>> Thanks. I'm Wendy Douglas. Um, I was

1766
02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:28,479
here a couple of weeks ago to talk to
you about my concern about um, housing

1767
02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:33,680
for the missing middle. And um, this
particular reasoning does include the

1768
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:40,160
language that says you there's no vinyl
siding permitted and there are other uh,

1769
02:26:36,240 --> 02:26:44,720
types of uh, wording that would preclude
building for that missing middle. And so

1770
02:26:42,319 --> 02:26:50,720
while I'm not opposed to the development
of this property, I am opposed to that

1771
02:26:47,359 --> 02:26:54,399
language that would make it unavailable
to the missing middle. Thank you for

1772
02:26:52,800 --> 02:26:57,640
your consideration.
>> Thank you.

1773
02:27:01,359 --> 02:27:08,280
» Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?

1774
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:18,760
If not, the hearing is now closed. Any
further discussion or questions by the

1775
02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:18,760
board?

1776
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:29,760
Mr. Mayor, um
I'd be in favor of tableabling this, not

1777
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:36,000
because I have any um issue with the
plot as presented to us, but I would

1778
02:27:33,680 --> 02:27:42,720
just like to make sure we are covering
all our bases and I would like for the

1779
02:27:38,960 --> 02:27:49,120
um museums and historic folks to make
sure that we're not um missing anything

1780
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:54,000
here. um that
>> we may not be and and I'm I'm fine to

1781
02:27:52,399 --> 02:27:58,880
move forward with it. I just don't want
to make a mistake.

1782
02:27:56,560 --> 02:28:02,640
» You Mr. Mayor, I I appreciate that
because I mean with these historic

1783
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:09,840
things sometimes we only we only get one
chance and it's gone. So um I I I think

1784
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:14,880
that would be good to because I this
that some of this discussion has been

1785
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:18,160
covered at our museum board meetings. So
I think

1786
02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:23,680
I think with our relationship with the
museum that would it would be a good

1787
02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:30,000
thing for us to just be sure.
>> Great idea. What is your pleasure?

1788
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:39,200
» Make a motion to uh table
the uh zoning map amendment re 2025-18

1789
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:47,280
MI homes of Raleigh um 0 6921 and a
portion of 6823 Sunset Lake Road uh in

1790
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:51,680
the pins as stated. Uh I suggest that we
um table this until our second meeting

1791
02:28:49,760 --> 02:28:56,319
in September.
>> Okay.

1792
02:28:52,240 --> 02:29:00,479
» And the purpose of this is to have the
Fugquway Vina Museums give feedback on

1793
02:28:58,720 --> 02:29:03,600
this project.
>> You've heard the motion. Is there a

1794
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:07,680
second?
>> Second.

1795
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:14,080
» All those if there's any other
discussion, but what's the time?

1796
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:18,479
» Second meeting in September.
All right.

1797
02:29:16,160 --> 02:29:20,880
Although all those in favor of the
motion, let it be known by saying I.

1798
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:27,640
» I.
>> I.

1799
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:27,640
» Any oppose? Motion carries. Thank you.

1800
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:39,359
The next item is item eight, the consent
agenda. What is the board's pleasure on

1801
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:42,640
the items on the consent agenda?
>> Mayor, I move to approve the consent

1802
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:47,760
agenda.
items. Yeah,

1803
02:29:45,359 --> 02:29:52,640
» it's been moved and second that we
approve

1804
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:56,080
the items on the consent agenda. Did you
intend to all

1805
02:29:54,240 --> 02:29:59,080
» itemize them, but I don't think that's
necessary.

1806
02:30:00,479 --> 02:30:10,000
» You all right? Restate your motion.
>> All right. Um, if you don't mind, mayor,

1807
02:30:07,520 --> 02:30:13,840
I move to approve item 8 A, 8 B, 8 C,
and 8 D on the consent agenda.

1808
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:14,720
Okay. All right. Then we have the
second.

1809
02:30:14,240 --> 02:30:18,479
» Yes, sir.
>> All those in favor of the motion, let it

1810
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:23,479
be known by saying I. I.
>> Any opposed? The eyes have it.

1811
02:30:25,439 --> 02:30:28,760
We have

1812
02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:36,040
Okay, we're moving right along here.
Hopefully. I was going to

1813
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:49,840
Okay,
so we can knock this out. Item 10 A,

1814
02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:56,840
public service center phase two,
guaranteed maximum price amendment

1815
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:56,840
20,145,89.

1816
02:30:57,359 --> 02:31:06,319
Edifice general contractors project
ordinance amendment PA2703

1817
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:10,240
and budget amendment BA2702.
More information about this agenda item

1818
02:31:08,319 --> 02:31:12,640
will be presented by public works
director Stevenson. Hello. How you

1819
02:31:12,319 --> 02:31:15,680
doing?
>> Good evening. Thank you mayor and

1820
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:21,680
commissioners. Uh we are submitting this
agenda item into the record of the town.

1821
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:26,080
Um as you all are well aware we've been
planning for uh phase two improvements

1822
02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:31,200
to the public service center. So, we
have um we're bringing to you tonight an

1823
02:31:29,280 --> 02:31:35,439
agenda item that uh amends the
guaranteed maximum price agreement that

1824
02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:41,359
we did with Edifice general contractors
um back u last year. Uh it, as you know,

1825
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:44,319
the public service center is a critical
operational center. It houses our public

1826
02:31:42,960 --> 02:31:48,560
works, public utilities, and parks,
direct maintenance folks. Um pretty much

1827
02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:52,880
any activity that happens out in the
community that's involving roads,

1828
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:56,880
sidewalks, and recreation comes out of
that building. Um you guys have

1829
02:31:55,200 --> 02:32:02,240
proactively planned for this expansion
and so this is just a moving on of that

1830
02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:07,520
process. Uh we did contract with Wither
Ravenell and Tel architects to do our

1831
02:32:04,720 --> 02:32:12,720
space need study and our um and our
design. Uh with that we moved on to

1832
02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:18,000
Edifice general contractors for our
guaranteed maximum price construction or

1833
02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:23,280
Seymar contract as we refer to those. Uh
Edifice selected bid or solicited bids

1834
02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:30,280
on May 5th and May 19th of this year. Uh
the guaranteed maximum price that

1835
02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:30,280
resulted from those bids was 20,483,848.

1836
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:38,880
» Uh this was significantly higher than
our previous estimates. Uh so we did a

1837
02:32:35,760 --> 02:32:43,760
lot a good bit of um follow-up work and
ground work with Edifice. Um

1838
02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:50,720
basically cost escalation in the
construction market had slowed for a

1839
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:54,000
period and has picked back up. Um, we
worked very diligently with Edifice

1840
02:32:52,479 --> 02:32:58,000
after the bid openings to try to look
for opportunities. Should we rebid the

1841
02:32:56,080 --> 02:33:03,680
project? Should are there places where
we could save money on the project? Um,

1842
02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:08,720
the basic result of that was our
analysis with the biders was that a

1843
02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:13,520
rebid was likely going to at at best
leave us even and maybe even would even

1844
02:33:11,359 --> 02:33:20,640
leave us with a higher bids the second
time around. Um the most of the cost

1845
02:33:18,080 --> 02:33:25,600
increases are general inflation. You
know, we we had a conflict with in a

1846
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:30,399
foreign country pop up about the time
we're bidding these projects. Um just a

1847
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:34,240
lot of um of the continued inflationary
pressures that we've been seeing on the

1848
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:39,120
construction market. Uh, so we did work
with Edifice on numerous val value

1849
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:44,479
engineering options and we were able to
at least lower the cost by $338,000 with

1850
02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:50,319
some choices that did not impact our
function. Um, there were choices that we

1851
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:53,520
could have done to get back into uh more
into our budget line, but any of those

1852
02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:57,600
were going to come with major
programmatic issues. you were going to

1853
02:33:55,200 --> 02:34:01,280
remove a building that was a major
function of the site and it was going to

1854
02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:07,760
lead to us being back in five years
needing to expand yet again. And so just

1855
02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:12,800
at our determination is that you know
the cost and the recency of that would

1856
02:34:10,160 --> 02:34:18,640
just be too high for us to to to
recommend that. So with that $338,000

1857
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:23,399
in value engineering, that brings the
the GMP amendment to 20,145,89.

1858
02:34:24,479 --> 02:34:33,359
Um we also have additional soft costs on
the town side that include our

1859
02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:37,840
financing, some contingency, uh
furniture, our IT upfit. There's some of

1860
02:34:36,080 --> 02:34:42,399
those things that we we rather than
contract that out, we kind of manage on

1861
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:46,880
on our side of the house. Um, we had
originally, as our fiscal note, had

1862
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:51,439
originally budgeted 18.5 million in this
budget to to cover this construction.

1863
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:55,640
So, a part of this action is a budget
amendment of $1,645,89

1864
02:34:56,319 --> 02:35:02,840
uh to help cover the GMP cost and then
also to cover the $1,371,366

1865
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:10,880
in the soft cost that I explained. Um
our plan from the beginning was to split

1866
02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:15,840
this cost between the general fund and
the enterp uh the utility enterprise

1867
02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:21,760
fund by 2/3 to oneird split which we
have done and will continue to do. Uh so

1868
02:35:19,280 --> 02:35:26,920
with that the total funding to support
this project that we're talking about

1869
02:35:23,359 --> 02:35:26,920
tonight is 21517,175.

1870
02:35:28,399 --> 02:35:36,160
Um I can assure you that we have worked
diligently to bring this project in at

1871
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:41,359
as low a cost as we can. uh we are
bringing you a project that meets the

1872
02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:46,000
10-year need that we intended to um and
you know has the elements that um are

1873
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:50,560
necessary to keep our operations running
and there's nothing on this site that's

1874
02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:54,399
going to go wasted or unused. Um, uh,
one of the hard parts I I mentioned a

1875
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:58,720
couple times that, you know, when you're
trying to value engineer a facility that

1876
02:35:56,160 --> 02:36:02,720
is really designed for function, there's
really not a lot of places to go pull

1877
02:36:00,399 --> 02:36:07,600
things out without
impacting the critical function. So,

1878
02:36:05,439 --> 02:36:11,200
with that, town staff recommends this
GMP amendment and subsequent budget

1879
02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:15,920
amendment to the project ordinance to
support this project. Um, here's a

1880
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:20,960
overall schematic that you can see where
we're adding addition to our current

1881
02:36:18,240 --> 02:36:26,160
admin building. We're adding a second
building with office spaces, locker

1882
02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:29,680
spaces, and all that. And then also, uh,
lots of covered storage, parking being

1883
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:34,319
one of the major constraints at this
time that, you know, we've been out of

1884
02:36:31,040 --> 02:36:39,680
parking for for essentially a year.
Um so the recommended motion um for you

1885
02:36:37,439 --> 02:36:47,080
tonight is this management staff
recommendation to approve the guaranteed

1886
02:36:41,920 --> 02:36:47,080
maximum price amendment of 20,145,89

1887
02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:53,680
with Edifice general contractors approve
a project ordinance amendment budget

1888
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:57,439
amendment and authorize the town manager
to execute GMP documents for the

1889
02:36:56,319 --> 02:37:02,080
construction of the public service
center phase 2 project subject to town

1890
02:36:59,359 --> 02:37:05,840
attorney review as to form and with that
be glad to answer any questions. Thank

1891
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:09,359
you. Thank you. Please forgive me. I
misread that that figure as 20,000. I'm

1892
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:13,600
sorry.
>> I wish it was 20,000. [laughter] I think

1893
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:19,439
we all
>> All right, Tracy. I'm just curious. Do

1894
02:37:16,240 --> 02:37:24,720
y'all get many complaints from the
neighborhood next door from noise or

1895
02:37:23,439 --> 02:37:28,640
anything like that?
>> There was a lot of that discussion when

1896
02:37:26,880 --> 02:37:33,760
the facility was originally built. I
don't recall any recent issues that have

1897
02:37:32,319 --> 02:37:37,600
been brought to my attention.
>> Seems like like they were concerned

1898
02:37:35,359 --> 02:37:41,359
about lights and lighting.
>> Uh originally there were a lot of

1899
02:37:39,359 --> 02:37:44,960
concerns. Um I don't know that I've
heard

1900
02:37:41,760 --> 02:37:50,000
» I'm wondering about since it opened and
>> No, I I don't I don't recall any

1901
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:53,520
recently. It it's I I haven't had
anybody complain to me directly.

1902
02:37:54,800 --> 02:38:03,200
Well, the um you know was right here
close to Holland's Crossroads and this

1903
02:38:00,560 --> 02:38:12,240
was Holland land
um because it was bought from um Mr.

1904
02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:19,520
David Holland, Donald's uncle. And um I
just remember it was one of these um

1905
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:24,000
instances where we had a we we had
kicked the hornets's nest because the

1906
02:38:21,439 --> 02:38:27,359
neighborhood next door I think thought
that we were going to I don't know what

1907
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:32,880
they thought we were going to be doing
next or putting a dump next door to them

1908
02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:39,280
but I've haven't heard anything negative
since it opened and so I'm proud of that

1909
02:38:36,479 --> 02:38:46,160
and I think the town has done a good job
with it and I've just heard from a a

1910
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:50,560
neighbor that it's uh that y'all are
good neighbors. So, I appreciate that.

1911
02:38:48,240 --> 02:38:53,520
» We do our best.
>> Mr. Mayor, I just want to say uh you

1912
02:38:51,920 --> 02:38:57,520
know, thank you uh Director Stevenson
for, you know, I I think with every

1913
02:38:55,760 --> 02:39:03,120
project we have now, what we don't want
to do is even though, you know, funding

1914
02:39:00,399 --> 02:39:06,080
is limited at times is put it to where
we're going to have to go back fixing

1915
02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:09,120
something in five years. I think that's
with every big project that we have

1916
02:39:07,520 --> 02:39:13,600
coming up down the pipeline. It's no
point of, you know, I would rather put

1917
02:39:11,120 --> 02:39:16,640
money towards that than five years and
instead of 10 years down the road, we

1918
02:39:15,040 --> 02:39:20,399
having to go back and fix stuff. That's
what, you know, the new fire station,

1919
02:39:18,560 --> 02:39:23,920
new police department, all this stuff. I
think that's one of the things. So,

1920
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:26,640
thank you for and and finance and
management and everybody for thinking

1921
02:39:25,280 --> 02:39:30,479
about that when we're looking at all
these projects that we don't want to do

1922
02:39:28,319 --> 02:39:33,760
something and then have to go back
because as we all know if we go back

1923
02:39:32,319 --> 02:39:37,040
five years down the road we've spent
more money we would have spent in the

1924
02:39:35,120 --> 02:39:40,640
first place. So thank you for uh
thinking about it and and we and we hope

1925
02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:46,000
that you know even though you had to do
some some changes around and nothing is

1926
02:39:43,439 --> 02:39:51,359
you know lack because people know that
uh you know one of the backbones of our

1927
02:39:48,560 --> 02:39:55,520
town are the are the employees that come
out of that building every day and and

1928
02:39:52,960 --> 02:39:59,760
and they're you know we need them.
They're 24-hour on call and everything

1929
02:39:57,439 --> 02:40:03,040
else and up before we are a lot of them
asleep right now and be up before we get

1930
02:40:01,359 --> 02:40:06,560
up. So, you know, we we definitely want
to make sure that, you know, we're we're

1931
02:40:04,720 --> 02:40:10,319
putting our best foot forward as a board
to make sure that u that all the

1932
02:40:08,960 --> 02:40:13,760
employees there have everything they
need. And definitely I've seen it on

1933
02:40:12,399 --> 02:40:16,720
those days where everybody's parked on
the grass and everything else trying to

1934
02:40:15,200 --> 02:40:23,200
park find a parking spot. So, it'll be
good to have a parking lot.

1935
02:40:20,479 --> 02:40:26,880
» Any other comments?
Do I hear a motion?

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02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:30,399
» So moved, Mr. Mayor, as presented and
recommended.

1937
02:40:27,760 --> 02:40:34,640
» Second. All those in favor of the motion
as presented, let it be known by saying

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02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:40,720
I.
>> I.

1939
02:40:35,200 --> 02:40:45,520
» Any opposed? Eyes have it. Thank you.
>> Other business. And how we doing? We

1940
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:50,960
Anybody need a break? We might be able
to knock this out in 15 minutes. Uh,

1941
02:40:49,200 --> 02:40:54,479
other business, manager report.
>> I'll try to be as brief as I can, mayor.

1942
02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:59,120
I know we're getting long in the tooth.
Um do want to just recognize that uh

1943
02:40:57,359 --> 02:41:02,560
Cody Simson in our engineering
department has been promoted to the

1944
02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:06,960
assistant engineering director
positions. We want to congratulate Cody

1945
02:41:04,960 --> 02:41:10,479
on his career advancement. He holds a
bachelor degree in environmental

1946
02:41:08,240 --> 02:41:13,680
engineering, a dual master's degree in
business administration and construction

1947
02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:19,040
management. And he's a licensed
professional engineer and he's been a

1948
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:23,520
valuable uh asset to our organization
and to the engineering department since

1949
02:41:21,280 --> 02:41:28,720
having been on board for many years now.
And so we want to congratulate Cody on

1950
02:41:25,760 --> 02:41:32,319
this welldeserved promotion. Uh staff in
the utilities department attended the

1951
02:41:30,640 --> 02:41:36,080
North Carolina rules and regulations
update for drinking water and wastewater

1952
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:42,479
and brought back some good information
along uh those lines to uh ensure that

1953
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:46,800
we are uh upholding our uh standards to
the highest standards that state expects

1954
02:41:44,319 --> 02:41:50,000
in terms of rules and regulations. Uh
want to recognize a couple of

1955
02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:53,680
professional development related matters
in the planning department. Our planning

1956
02:41:51,840 --> 02:41:57,520
director, Pam Davidson, successfully
completed the UNCC School of

1957
02:41:55,680 --> 02:42:03,040
Government's public executive leadership
academy. So, we want to congratulate Pam

1958
02:41:59,280 --> 02:42:06,319
on her uh completion of that uh
important course. I believe she's the

1959
02:42:04,560 --> 02:42:10,000
first department director to have gone
through that course with the school of

1960
02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:14,960
government. Planners Slater Knox and
Alyssa Hullman attended the annual fall

1961
02:42:12,800 --> 02:42:19,840
certified zoning officials conference in
Bowfort this past week and were able to

1962
02:42:17,280 --> 02:42:25,359
network with other planners uh in in
their profession as well as um bring

1963
02:42:22,720 --> 02:42:28,800
back some uh good information to our
planning department. And our planning

1964
02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:32,240
department staff sincerely appreciates
the board prioritizing continuing

1965
02:42:30,560 --> 02:42:36,479
education and providing opportunities
for staff to be lifelong learners and

1966
02:42:34,960 --> 02:42:40,160
advance their professional development
goals. I also want to mention out of the

1967
02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:44,960
planning department that the citizens
planning academy is open for

1968
02:42:42,319 --> 02:42:49,359
registration online through August 28th
for the next cohort of that academy. The

1969
02:42:47,200 --> 02:42:53,760
first cohort was extremely successful
and we look forward to hosting the next

1970
02:42:51,200 --> 02:42:59,120
group of of learners in our community
this October. So anyone who's interested

1971
02:42:55,680 --> 02:43:03,040
is encouraged to register online be by
or before August 28th. And we're limited

1972
02:43:01,359 --> 02:43:08,399
in available spots. So it's first come
first serve. We encourage encourage that

1973
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:13,840
registration. Uh downtown development
Samantha Darlington has been hired and

1974
02:43:11,040 --> 02:43:18,080
selected as the town's next downtown
development manager joining us from the

1975
02:43:16,240 --> 02:43:22,080
North Carolina Main Street program. So,
we're excited to have uh someone who is

1976
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:26,240
familiar with the North Carolina Main
Street program and uh the state program

1977
02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:30,319
and national program come and join and
be a part of our downtown team and a

1978
02:43:28,240 --> 02:43:35,200
partner with the FEDA. So, we're very
excited about her start date, which is

1979
02:43:32,319 --> 02:43:39,760
September 21st.
Uh the uh streets department took

1980
02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:43,279
delivery of a new leaf vacuum truck that
was budgeted in the fiscal year 27

1981
02:43:41,600 --> 02:43:48,479
budget and is preparing it for the
upcoming fall leaf season. And Tim

1982
02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:53,279
Hannon was promoted from sanitation
collector 2 to equipment operator in the

1983
02:43:50,560 --> 02:43:57,920
sanitation department, filling one of
the new crew positions added in the

1984
02:43:55,600 --> 02:44:01,600
fiscal year 27 budget. his former
position and the remainder of the new

1985
02:43:59,840 --> 02:44:06,160
sanitation crew have been filled and
they will start on August 24th, allowing

1986
02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:11,680
the new sanitation route to go into
service in the near future.

1987
02:44:08,560 --> 02:44:16,800
A national night out against crime is uh
planned to be held on Friday, August

1988
02:44:14,319 --> 02:44:22,080
21st, this Friday from 5:00 p.m. to 8:00
p.m. in the parking lot next to Target

1989
02:44:19,840 --> 02:44:25,760
in the Gold Leaf Shopping Center.
Backpacks and school supplies will be

1990
02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:29,840
distributed while supplies last. And I
do want to just note that we are

1991
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:35,120
monitoring uh weather to determine if
alternative plans are necessary. There

1992
02:44:32,160 --> 02:44:38,479
are some inclement weather projected in
the forecast and so we're paying close

1993
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:43,040
attention to that. Back to school
traffic safety uh as it pertains to back

1994
02:44:41,200 --> 02:44:46,640
to school traffic safety. The
traditional school calendar uh year

1995
02:44:44,800 --> 02:44:53,600
officially begins this coming Monday,
August 24th. So, we do um encourage uh

1996
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:57,840
drivers and parents to exercise caution
when traveling through school zones and

1997
02:44:55,840 --> 02:45:02,240
expect traffic delays during morning
drop off and afternoon pickup times at

1998
02:45:00,240 --> 02:45:06,399
least at least initially when the school
season starts. And our police department

1999
02:45:04,399 --> 02:45:10,640
officers will be monitoring school zones
and conducting traffic enforcement,

2000
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:14,080
including targeted enforcement of the
new no parking zones established near

2001
02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:19,359
Willis Spring High School in the North
Lake subdivision.

2002
02:45:16,479 --> 02:45:22,720
Uh Faith Brown is recently joined the
parks, recreation, and cultural

2003
02:45:20,640 --> 02:45:27,439
resources team as our newest athletic
program specialist. We want to welcome

2004
02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:30,960
Faith to our team. Uh as it pertains to
fire department, Scott Naylor completed

2005
02:45:29,200 --> 02:45:34,960
all career ladder requirements and has
been promoted to fire from firefighter 2

2006
02:45:33,040 --> 02:45:39,359
to senior firefighter. So, we want to
congratulate Scott on his career

2007
02:45:36,800 --> 02:45:42,720
development. And fire engineers Matthew
Lee and Robbie Johnson have been

2008
02:45:40,800 --> 02:45:46,479
promoted to fire captain to fill the
vacancies by recent retirements. and

2009
02:45:44,800 --> 02:45:50,000
their badge pinning will take place at
the September 22nd town board meeting.

2010
02:45:48,479 --> 02:45:54,880
So, we look forward to welcoming them
and their families for that badge

2011
02:45:51,439 --> 02:45:59,040
pinning ceremony. Uh nine officers and
firefighters attended the South Atlantic

2012
02:45:57,200 --> 02:46:02,720
Fire Rescue Expo at the Raleigh
Convention Center this past weekend for

2013
02:46:00,960 --> 02:46:07,040
technical training classes, keynote
sessions, and leadership development

2014
02:46:04,960 --> 02:46:10,319
alongside thousands of firefighters from
across the southeastern region of the

2015
02:46:08,880 --> 02:46:14,720
United States. And so it was a good
learning opportunity for uh those nine

2016
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:20,479
officers and firefighters. We want to
thank them for attending. Um and then

2017
02:46:17,920 --> 02:46:24,319
applications close this Thursday for the
three non-certified firefighter

2018
02:46:22,560 --> 02:46:29,760
positions included in the fiscal year
budget with more than a 100 applications

2019
02:46:27,120 --> 02:46:33,040
received to date. The new recruits will
attend the Wake County Fire Academy

2020
02:46:31,439 --> 02:46:37,359
starting in October and are scheduled to
graduate in late May. So everyone wants

2021
02:46:35,600 --> 02:46:40,960
to come work at the Fugquway Arena Fire
Department. It's a good place to be.

2022
02:46:39,439 --> 02:46:48,319
Um,
Alice uh, Deell Gatano Deatano, excuse

2023
02:46:46,240 --> 02:46:51,760
me, has been hired as our assistant
finance director and will start on

2024
02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:56,319
September 8th. So, we're looking forward
to Alice coming on board and being a

2025
02:46:53,279 --> 02:47:00,399
part of our finance team. This past
weekend featured a successful summer

2026
02:46:58,479 --> 02:47:04,880
showcase for dancers enrolled in summer
classes at the art center. Auditions for

2027
02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:08,560
the annual community Nutcracker
production are now open and interested

2028
02:47:06,800 --> 02:47:13,359
participants can sign up for the
audition time on the arts center

2029
02:47:10,319 --> 02:47:17,760
website. And a rental and special events
coordinator Katie Crush and program

2030
02:47:15,120 --> 02:47:21,680
coordinator Jennifer Ranken returned
from the leadership exchange in arts and

2031
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:25,840
disability seminar sponsored by the
Kennedy Center. Staff look forward to

2032
02:47:23,920 --> 02:47:30,560
implementing their new ideas to increase
and improve program accessibility. and

2033
02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:35,439
registration for fall classes and fall
theater offerings is available online

2034
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:38,720
and in person for the arts center. Uh
with that uh mayor and board, I will

2035
02:47:37,439 --> 02:47:42,240
just again draw your attention to
National Night Out against Crime this

2036
02:47:40,319 --> 02:47:46,479
Friday 5 to 8:00 p.m. at the Gold Leaf
Target parking lot.

2037
02:47:44,640 --> 02:47:50,000
Thursday, September 10th, we will have
our first concert of the fall series.

2038
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:55,040
Follow me to Fugquway concert. The Band
of Oz will be here in town performing a

2039
02:47:52,479 --> 02:47:59,760
local favorite and 6 pm to 9:00 p.m. at
Centennial Park. The 911 National Day of

2040
02:47:57,840 --> 02:48:03,279
Remembrance will be held on Friday,
September 11th at 8:30 a.m. at the

2041
02:48:01,920 --> 02:48:07,120
Fugquway Verina Arts Center. The
International Festival will be at the

2042
02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:11,920
Fugway Arena Arts Center on September
12th from 11:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. The

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02:48:09,760 --> 02:48:16,080
food truck rodeo will be on Sunday,
September 13th

2044
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:20,479
from 12:00 p.m. to 3 p.m. at the Durm
Street parking lot, 801 Durm Street.

2045
02:48:19,040 --> 02:48:25,200
There are some first readings in your
agenda materials. a zoning map amendment

2046
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:30,800
submitted by Josh Swendell of Envision
Homes, 7151 Sunset Lake Road. And with

2047
02:48:29,520 --> 02:48:33,680
that, Mr. Mayor and Board, that
concludes my remarks for this evening.

2048
02:48:32,319 --> 02:48:37,040
I'm happy to answer any questions that
you might have.

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02:48:35,279 --> 02:48:45,359
» Thank you very much. Thank you very
much. Um, the next item, town board

2050
02:48:40,960 --> 02:48:47,439
member comments. Um,
Commissioner Haynes.

2051
02:48:46,399 --> 02:48:50,160
» Yes, sir. I'll keep
>> be brief.

2052
02:48:48,160 --> 02:48:53,920
» Yes, sir. Very brief. Uh, it was
exciting. I was downtown Raleigh on

2053
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:57,279
Friday and I was first I was like why am
I seeing Fugquway Vina fire department

2054
02:48:55,680 --> 02:49:00,720
trucks down here then I turned the
corner I see fire trucks from everywhere

2055
02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:03,600
in the in the state of North Carolina
and it took me forever to find parking

2056
02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:09,359
but it was good to see that uh we had
some people represented town of freeway

2057
02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:12,160
there. Um, I just want to uh uh send
blessings to all of our students who

2058
02:49:10,800 --> 02:49:16,319
have started back school or who are
starting back school. All our teachers,

2059
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:20,240
bus drivers, and everybody and all our
college kids who are off to college

2060
02:49:18,319 --> 02:49:23,760
already and probably have just started
about to start their first few days of

2061
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:27,760
college who are residents of Fuqua
Arena. So excited about their year and

2062
02:49:25,600 --> 02:49:34,880
see their success. Last thing is I just
want to uh I'm honored to be uh um on

2063
02:49:31,680 --> 02:49:38,399
the list of um part of the legislative
policy committee for the North Carolina

2064
02:49:36,399 --> 02:49:45,439
League of Municipalities along with our
town manager. Uh we are se we are made

2065
02:49:41,279 --> 02:49:49,359
up of 70 elected officials, management
and I think attorneys uh across the

2066
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:54,160
state of North Carolina who'll be
working on legislative policies for the

2067
02:49:51,600 --> 02:49:58,080
upcoming sessions for our um North
Carolina uh legislator. So, it's uh

2068
02:49:56,399 --> 02:50:02,000
exciting to be a part of that. We'll
start our sessions and working to figure

2069
02:49:59,920 --> 02:50:04,960
out over for the f over 500
municipalities in the state of North

2070
02:50:03,040 --> 02:50:08,800
Carolina what legislative policies we
need to work towards to make sure we

2071
02:50:06,640 --> 02:50:11,439
have everything we need in our uh
municipalities all over the state. So,

2072
02:50:10,399 --> 02:50:15,279
we're sorry about that.
>> Congratulations. Thank you.

2073
02:50:12,720 --> 02:50:19,200
» Yeah. Great. Both to you and the town
manager. Congratulations. Commissioner

2074
02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:23,040
Adcock,
>> no comments tonight.

2075
02:50:20,479 --> 02:50:26,319
» All right. Commissioner Smith,
>> really no comments tonight, Mr. Mayor.

2076
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:29,680
just been busy with a lot of ribbon
cutings and groundbreings, but that's a

2077
02:50:28,479 --> 02:50:33,840
great thing to see. So,
>> yes, it is. Yes, it is. Commissioner

2078
02:50:32,160 --> 02:50:38,399
Vorren,
>> no comments.

2079
02:50:36,160 --> 02:50:44,640
» Mayor Pro Tim Gardner,
>> no comments except it was really nice to

2080
02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:52,880
to um that for the publicity we got with
the launch for the new DMV in Few Arena.

2081
02:50:48,800 --> 02:50:57,920
It was nice to to see some good positive
uh coverage from the media and it was a

2082
02:50:55,840 --> 02:51:05,040
exciting day. It's going to be a great
facility going from 14 station 14

2083
02:51:01,439 --> 02:51:08,880
driver's license stations to four to 14.
Great point. That's good. I'm glad you

2084
02:51:06,720 --> 02:51:14,880
mentioned that. Thank you. Any other
comment? That's it. Uh I have no comment

2085
02:51:12,479 --> 02:51:20,640
tonight. I know that uh we have a close
session and uh

2086
02:51:18,880 --> 02:51:22,080
do I hear a motion to go into close
session?

2087
02:51:21,279 --> 02:51:27,040
» So move
>> second.

2088
02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:30,000
» All those in favor we need to identify
why

2089
02:51:27,520 --> 02:51:33,600
» it's it is uh under general statute uh
the closed open meetings law general

2090
02:51:31,600 --> 02:51:36,960
statute A3 attorney client privilege.
>> Okay.

2091
02:51:36,080 --> 02:51:41,680
» So move.
>> Okay. Second. All those in favor of the

2092
02:51:39,439 --> 02:51:47,080
motion let it be known by saying I. I.
opposed. All right, we can take a break.