[4:03] Hello everybody.
It's good to see everyone here today
[4:07] attending uh this meeting uh for the
business of our town. You're certainly
[4:12] quite welcome. Uh, I am Mayor William
Harris and as we always I'm I'm calling
[4:18] the meeting to order and would you
please stand for the invocation. Thank
[4:24] you.
[4:28] Heavenly Father, we are grateful for
this day. We are dependent on your grace
[4:32] and mercy as we welcome this opportunity
to conduct the business of the town of
[4:39] Fugquway Arena. Grant each of us wisdom
and insight as we seek to respond to the
[4:46] needs of our community and citizens.
Help us to maintain encouragement,
[4:53] always abiding in your promises that
through humility and obedience, your
[5:00] will can be expressed through us.
Let us each be teachable as we learn how
[5:06] to be better elected officials for the
citizens of our community. We humbly
[5:13] pray. Amen.
>> Amen.
[5:16] » Now we will have the pledge of
allegiance by Commissioner Charlie
[5:19] Adcock.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[5:25] United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation
[5:32] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
[5:38] » Thank you. You may be seated.
[6:00] At this time, I will ask town manager
Adam Mitchell to review the meeting
[6:04] protocol for public participation as it
relates to this meeting.
[6:10] » Thank you, Mayor. Good evening. Good
evening to be uh it's good to be with
[6:12] the board this evening. Tonight's town
board meeting will be held both in
[6:16] person and livereamed on the town's
YouTube channel and Facebook page.
[6:19] Tonight's meeting includes a public
comment period and six scheduled public
[6:23] hearings. The public is invited to
comment in person. When it is the
[6:27] appropriate time, Mayor Harris will call
on those wishing to address the town
[6:31] board. All attendees who have appeared
in person to address the town board
[6:35] during the public comment period should
provide their name and address on the
[6:38] green registration sheet by the podium
before the public comment period begins.
[6:44] All attendees who appear in person to
address the town board during a
[6:47] scheduled public hearing should provide
their name and address on the white
[6:50] registration sheet by the podium. We ask
all those wishing to address the town
[6:55] board either during the public comment
period or a scheduled public hearing to
[6:59] begin their comments by clearly stating
their name and address for the public
[7:02] record. The public is asked to keep all
comments to three minutes so that all
[7:06] who wish to speak may be heard in a
timely manner. To be respectful of those
[7:10] who may have different views on matters
addressed by the town board, we ask that
[7:13] all in attendance respect the decorum of
the meeting by refraining from clapping,
[7:18] making loud noises, and generally
showing support or displeasure for
[7:22] comments made during the public comment
period or public hearings. Police Chief
[7:27] Smith will be asked to escort from the
boardroom anyone not respecting the
[7:31] process. And it is the discretion of the
mayor as presiding officer whether to
[7:35] continue the public comment and or
public hearing periods if the meeting
[7:38] protocol is not followed. And this
concludes the protocol for tonight's
[7:42] meeting.
>> Thank you, Mr. Manager. Thank you.
[7:46] » Item 3A,
approval of the minutes of the August
[7:51] 3rd meeting town board of commissioner
regular our regular schedule meeting. Do
[7:55] I have a motion to approve those
minutes? Are are there any corrections?
[7:59] » Mr. Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to
approve the minutes of the August 3rd,
[8:03] 2026 Town Board of Commissioner regular
schedule meeting as presented.
[8:07] » Second.
>> Second.
[8:10] » Any discussion?
If not, all in favor of the motion, let
[8:15] it be known by saying I.
>> I.
[8:17] » Any oppose? Eyes have it. Motion
carries. Thank you so much.
[8:23] With the next item, item 4A,
it gives me great pleasure to introduce
[8:29] the mayor's health and wellness council.
Uh one of the things that uh is so
[8:36] exciting about um this agenda item for
me is that uh for several years I worked
[8:43] with the division of mental health and
substance abuse and intellectual
[8:50] developmental disabilities.
And one of the things that I I learned
[8:55] in that capacity
is the number of of people, citizens,
[9:02] residents who have needs oftent times
that are ignored or either they have
[9:08] difficulty coming forth because of the
stigma often associated with the
[9:14] vulnerabilities that result from mental
health challenges or other challenges as
[9:19] well as those physical health
challenges. that impact a lot of
[9:24] communities. So I I broke it down as a
as a as a elected official who's
[9:31] committed to
providing
[9:35] a sense of leadership and direction to
talk about the issue of health in our
[9:41] community. It it it breaks down very
simple. If you have a healthy
[9:46] individual, there's a good possibility
you'll have a healthy family. And if you
[9:51] have a healthy family, you'll have a
health healthy community. So out of that
[9:57] desire, I was fortunate enough to be
sort of introduced or led to people who
[10:03] had the same mindset, who had a vision
of what this could be in regards to a
[10:09] mayor's initiative to keep to the
forefront of the public the importance
[10:14] of mental health, the importance of
physical health, and the importance of
[10:19] primary care for a community.
Because we as elected officials, we can
[10:26] promagate legislation. We can do those
kinds of things, but the direct impact
[10:31] on the quality of life in a community is
associated with the health of a
[10:37] community. And as mayor, I wanted to
convey that message to the community at
[10:43] large through a mayor's health council.
And we have some members of that council
[10:50] who are here today who I would love to
introduce if uh they would come forth
[10:58] and I want you to meet a couple of
members of the council. We have five
[11:02] members. We have two present today and I
I want them to introduce themselves
[11:07] briefly so you can talk about what the
[clears throat] health council has been
[11:12] doing over the last six months. We've
done a lot in the area of prevention,
[11:17] intervention, advocacy, as well as
bringing forth a lot of conversation
[11:23] about the importance of community health
or either a healthy community. So, I'd
[11:29] like to introduce Dr. Don Johannes and
Dr. Priyanka Pthula to the community.
[11:35] And if um you all want to say something
briefly about yourselves to the
[11:40] community, I would appreciate it. Couple
of minutes and you can use the mic
[11:43] there. Is that o is that okay? Um Scott.
Yeah. Good.
[11:47] » Scott have you.
>> Um good evening everyone. Good evening
[11:50] Mayor Harris. Good evening town board
members. And good evening Fuqua Verina
[11:56] community. It is a pleasure and a sheer
delight for us to be here. I am a
[12:02] retired high school educator. I am a
wellness coach. I am a breast cancer
[12:06] survivor and I am a fugqua vinian.
[laughter]
[12:12] And I just want to talk about um
basically the the council was
[12:17] established in February of this year and
we are still a work in progress. But
[12:23] there's one thing that we as our council
members we hold on to is one simple
[12:28] belief. And that belief that we hold on
to is that when Fquay Verina is healthy,
[12:37] Fquaver Varina is stronger. How many of
us want a stronger Fugqua Verina? A
[12:42] healthier frauina
that offers a quality of life. So I'm
[12:49] going to decrease but to let you know we
are working diligently. We are working
[12:53] consistently. We have attended several
uh fugqua verina events. Uh we are
[12:59] planning some dynamic events. We have a
dynamic
[13:03] diverse council of professional
experienced knowledgeable
[13:10] individuals who are concerned about the
health of fquay verinians. Thank you so
[13:17] much for this opportunity and now I
shall defer it to my colleague.
[13:22] » Thank you.
>> Good evening everybody. My name is Dr.
[13:26] Priyanka Pantila. I'm a dentist and an
owner at United Smiles Family Dental
[13:31] right here in Fugway. As a healthc care
provider, I see that the health everyday
[13:36] health does begin at our homes. Um not
in healthcare facilities. It begins it
[13:42] at our homes and our daily choices and
at senior centers. So this is what the
[13:48] council is all about. It's about
reaching to people before the illness
[13:51] does. I'm really honored to work along
with uh Mayor Harris and the team to
[13:57] help build a healthier fugu verina for
every family and every child and every
[14:02] senior who calls this town home. Thank
you so much. I'm really looking forward
[14:07] to work with you, mayor. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much. Have a good one.
[14:11] » Thank you. Thank you so much. [applause]
I appreciate you so much.
[14:18] » We have one more person who is absent,
Andy Curtis, who works with the uh Wake
[14:24] mental health. Uh she is not here. She's
a community liaison who has volunteered
[14:29] and and and uh one other person, Chai,
uh is not here as well. But we have
[14:36] currently four outstanding volunteers
who are helping to ignite this
[14:41] initiative that I think is going to be
and I really believe from the bottom of
[14:45] my heart beneficial to all the citizens
here in Fugqua Verina. So thank you.
[14:49] Thank you very much. Thank you all so
much for your time. Thank you.
[14:58] And and now I'm going to move to item
4B, presentations. A resolution, fire
[15:03] department, fire helmet retirement
presentation,
[15:07] battalion chief William Garland
Johnston, and fire captain uh number two
[15:12] Sam Golitly. More information about this
agenda item will be presented by Fire
[15:18] Chief Jones.
>> Good evening. Good evening, mayor,
[15:21] commissioners, managers.
>> Um thank you for uh allowing us to to be
[15:25] here tonight. Uh tonight we recognize
two extraordinary leaders who after more
[15:32] than 50 years of combined service to our
community have decided to hang up their
[15:36] boots, give their bodies some rest, and
spend some more quality time with their
[15:41] families. Uh Battalion Chief Garland
Johnston and Captain Sam Gollightly.
[15:47] On July 29th, family, friends, and staff
gathered at Fire Station 4 to celebrate
[15:53] the service of Battalion Chief Garland
Johnston. And just a short eight days
[15:58] later on August the 6th, family,
friends, and staff gathered again at
[16:02] Fire Station 4 to celebrate the service
of Captain Sam Gollightly.
[16:07] Since Since both requested the same menu
and the same program,
[16:12] quite a few cheeseburgers, baked beans,
and chips were prepared and eaten at
[16:17] station 4 over a very short 8-day
period. Um, but I want to thank each one
[16:21] of you who were able to attend and show
your support for these two class acts,
[16:25] and it truly meant a lot to both of
them. And while those lunches gave us
[16:30] time to reminisce, laugh, and share some
stories, tonight is an opportunity to
[16:35] formally honor their service to the
town.
[16:42] For more than 30 years, with 25 of them
being right here in Fugquway Arena,
[16:46] Battalion Chief Johnston has faithfully
protected our community while helping to
[16:51] lead our department through years of
incredible growth. Over the years, Chief
[16:56] Johnston has earned multiple department
awards and citations, was named our
[17:01] employee of the year in 2005, and
promoted to battalion chief in 2010.
[17:06] Garland has educated countless
firefighters on the importance of being
[17:11] prepared and training the next
generation to ensure everyone goes home
[17:15] safely at the end of their shift. And
for more than 26 years of dedicated
[17:20] service as both a career and a volunteer
firefighter, Captain Gollightly has
[17:25] faithfully answered the call when needed
while serving with true professionalism
[17:30] since day one. Throughout his career,
Captain Gollightly has also earned
[17:35] numerous department awards and
citations. Was named our employee of the
[17:39] year in 2015 and promoted to captain in
2010. Sam has trained and mentored
[17:46] numerous firefighters over the years and
has never lost the true excitement and
[17:51] the twinkle in his eye when responding
to someone in need. They both have
[17:56] definitely left their mark on our town
and our department. And although the
[18:02] years of service are milestones, the
real impact of these two professionals
[18:07] is how they treated people. They have
helped shape the culture in our
[18:11] stations, cared for and protected our
community, and mentored just about
[18:17] everyone that served with them. And for
me personally, they have been two good
[18:21] friends that I will miss dearly.
Mayor, before I move to the resolution,
[18:26] I would like to give each one of our
retirees a moment to share a few
[18:30] remarks, starting with uh Chief
Johnston, then Captain Gollightly.
[18:35] Go on.
Um,
[18:40] mayor, managers, citizens, guys. Uh,
look, what a what a privilege and an
[18:48] honor it has been to work for this town
for the last 25 years.
[18:55] Um I
so many dedicated educated professionals
[19:02] have worked alongside with you all um to
make it so I could have the career that
[19:10] I've had. So uh it's it's it's been an
honor and a privilege to work with you
[19:16] all. Um, you all take care of us and all
these people here, directors from or to
[19:23] the lowly bottom person that just got
hired at Parks and Wreck to do ball
[19:28] games. Um, everybody makes this town
run. Um, and we just we have a great
[19:36] group of people here and I just I'm so
tickled to death that I have been able
[19:42] to make a career and that every person
here has really played a hand in it. Uh
[19:46] thank you. [snorts]
Thank you for Thank you. [applause]
[19:54] [applause]
Thank you to everyone.
[19:58] » That's what I needed to write on this.
>> See, I'm not as good as you, darling.
[20:02] [clears throat] I have I have to do
this.
[20:05] As I retire from the town of Fraver
Arena after 26 years
[20:10] of service, including serving as a
captain, I want to take a moment to
[20:15] thank each of you for your support of
our department.
[20:18] When I began my career with the town as
a firefighter, everyone at the fire
[20:24] department was very welcoming and
supportive.
[20:34] It was a very short time after that I
realized
[20:39] that they weren't just my friends, they
had become my family
[20:44] and I'm forever grateful for that.
It has been an honor and a privilege to
[20:49] serve this community alongside them.
Your continued support has helped us
[20:56] provide the highest level of service to
the citizens of Fugquway Verina. Thank
[21:01] you all for your partnership, your
trust, and your commitment to our
[21:06] department. Thank you and God bless
everybody.
[21:09] » Thank you so much, [applause]
[21:15] [applause]
[21:18] » gentlemen. Thank you both.
Okay. in
[21:24] recognition of their dedication and
service and in accordance with North
[21:29] Carolina General Statute 16A 294.1,
both men have met all stipulated
[21:36] requirements and have formally requested
to keep their assigned structural fire
[21:41] helmets for retirement.
There are there are separate official
[21:46] resolutions for each of these retirees,
but I will combine um the two into one
[21:51] reading. A resolution adopted by the
board of commissioners of the town of
[21:55] Fuway Arena, North Carolina, authorizing
the award of a structural fire helmet in
[22:00] recognition of retirement from the
Fugquway Vina Fire Department.
[22:05] Whereas William Garland Johnston began
his fire and emergency services career
[22:10] with the town of Fuway Verina Fire
Department on August 5th, 2001. And
[22:15] Samuel Irwin Golley III began his fire
and emergency services career with the
[22:20] town of Fuway Verina Fire Department on
August 7th, 2000. And whereas after
[22:26] distinguished service to the town of
Fuqua Marina and the fire department,
[22:31] both have submitted their intentions to
retire effective September 1st, 2026.
[22:38] And whereas North Carolina General
Statute 160A
[22:42] 294.1
provides that the governing body of a
[22:46] municipal fire department may in its
discretion award a retiring member upon
[22:51] his or her retirement their assigned
structural fire helmet. Now therefore,
[22:57] be it resolved by the board of
commissioners of the town of Fugquway
[23:00] Verina, North Carolina, that William
Garland Johnston and Samuel Irwin Golley
[23:05] III are hereby awarded their structural
fire helmets for $1 in recognition of
[23:11] their honorable and dedicated service to
the citizens of Fugquway Arena. These
[23:16] resolutions of the town of Fuqua Verina
Board of Commissioners are hereby
[23:20] adopted this 18th day of August in the
year of 2026 in Fugquway Arena, North
[23:25] Carolina. And should these resolutions
be adopted tonight, they will be signed
[23:30] by Mayor Harris for the town of Fuqua
Vina.
[23:34] So, mayor, tonight there is a
recommended motion and the motion is to
[23:39] adopt the resolutions authorizing the
award of the structural fire helmets to
[23:44] Battalion Chief Garland William Garland
Johnston and fire captain to Samuel
[23:49] Gollightly in recognition of their
retirement from the town of Fuwayina
[23:53] Fire Department as presented and
recommended.
[23:58] » What is your pleasure,
>> Mr. Mayor? I make a motion to adopt the
[24:01] resolutions authorizing the award of the
structural fire helmets to Battalion
[24:05] Chief William Garland Johnson and Fire
Chief 2 Samuel Gollightly in recognition
[24:10] of their retirement from the town of
Faino Fire Department as presented and
[24:14] recommended.
>> Second.
[24:16] » It's been moved and second.
Any discussion on the motion?
[24:23] All those in favor of the motion, let it
be known by saying I.
[24:26] » I.
>> Any oppose?
[24:29] » Eyes have it. Let me say one thing
first.
[24:32] Um,
it's so powerful what you all have done
[24:36] for this community. If you look around
the wall and you see these young firemen
[24:41] whose lives you have impacted,
you have impacted an entire generation,
[24:47] that's how powerful
your tenacity and staying with this
[24:53] community is and will be for so long. So
we honor you tonight for your service.
[25:01] Thank you very much. Thank you.
[25:06] [applause]
[25:11] [applause]
[25:20] [applause]
[25:24] [applause]
[25:30] » Oh yes.
Oh, thank you sir. Thank you so very
[26:17] Thank you all so much. Thank you, Chief.
I appreciate you all.
[26:24] Take down.
[26:43] And now we'll move on to
item five, public comment period.
[27:02] At this time, the town clerk will call
on individuals who are in attendance and
[27:06] have registered to address the town
board prior to the meeting. The public
[27:11] comment period is a time for the public
to address the town on any matter not
[27:16] the subject of a scheduled public
hearing. The public comment period is
[27:22] not a time for the town board to respond
or engage in back and forth conversation
[27:27] with the public. Only those who have
signed in in advance of the public
[27:33] comment period will be permitted to
address the town board.
[27:38] Those speaking are asked to begin by
clearly stating their name and address
[27:44] for the public record. Please limit your
comments to three minutes so that all
[27:50] who wish to speak may be heard in a
timely manner. Town clerk Wilder, do we
[27:56] have anyone signed up for public
comments?
[27:58] » We have one person, Annie Feny.
>> Okay.
[28:09] » Thank you.
>> Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor, commissioners,
[28:13] managers. So, I actually meant to sign
up on the white sheet. I signed up on
[28:17] the green sheet by accident. Should I
come back or should I be heard now?
[28:21] » Uh, if it's a public hearing, you you
would need to come back.
[28:23] » I will come back when the white sheet.
>> Okay.
[28:27] » Okay.
>> All right. Thank you.
[28:40] » [clears throat]
[28:46] » Thank you. And I apologize.
>> Okay, we only have we only have one
[28:50] person.
>> Yes, she was it.
[28:52] » Oh, you may as well stay. Um, all right.
Now, we move if there are no more
[28:58] comments, we'll move to public hearings.
The public hearings are a time for the
[29:04] petitioner to present their requests for
the public to provide input and express
[29:10] their support or opposition. Public
hearings are not a time for the town
[29:16] board to respond to public input or
engage in back and forth conversation.
[29:24] » I thought we had that. Was that the
item?
[29:28] » Oh, it six.
668.
[29:32] » That's right. But it is a public
hearing. So the mayor is reading the
[29:35] protocol for the public hearing. Is
public comment is we went through the
[29:38] public. You're you're correct. Mayor
>> misled.
[29:41] » Oh, sorry.
>> Yeah,
[29:43] » you are correct to finish reading the
protocol, mayor.
[29:46] » Mayor,
>> that's okay. All right. That's all
[29:48] right. Let me start over again. Public
hearings. Public hearings are a time for
[29:53] the petitioner to present their request
and for the public to provide input and
[29:58] express their support or opposition.
Public hearings are not a time for the
[30:03] town board to respond to public input or
engage in back and forth conversation
[30:09] with the public. If you wish to speak
and are physically in attendance, please
[30:14] step forward to the podium one at a
time. Provide your name and address on
[30:20] the registration log at the podium and
clearly state your name and address for
[30:24] the public record. We ask that all who
address the town board limit their
[30:28] comments to three minutes so that all
who wish to speak may be heard in a
[30:33] timely manner. Now we are in the public
hearing portion of the meeting.
[30:41] We have items uh table from previous
meetings.
[30:46] Voluntary annexation petition for Colin
H. Grimes, Jennifer P. Grimes, David
[30:53] Charles Davis, David Davis Scott
Revokable Trust, and Rebecca Sheldon
[30:59] Davis 5441053015255,
[31:04] Wade Nash Road, ANX 202313.
Uh, more information about about this
[31:11] agenda item will be presented by
planning director Davidson.
[31:17] » Thank you.
>> You're welcome.
[31:18] » I'm submitting the agenda abstract and
supporting documents into the official
[31:22] record of the town. The combined 76.246
acre property is non-ontiguous to the
[31:28] town's corporate limits. W town water
and sewer are currently available to
[31:33] serve the subject properties. However,
both will be extended with development
[31:36] of the Elmsley subdivision. currently
under review. A fireflow test resulted
[31:42] in adequate fire flow. Town sanitation
and recycling services are available to
[31:46] serve the property. At the March 24th,
2026 meeting, the town clerk certified
[31:51] that the petition was sufficient and met
the requirements prescribed by the North
[31:55] Carolina General Statutes and the town
board adopted a resolution setting a
[31:59] public hearing for the April 7th, 2026
meeting. Prior to the April 7th meeting,
[32:05] the petitioner submitted a request and
the board approved the request to table
[32:08] the item to the June 16th, 2026 meeting.
Prior to the June 16th, 2020 meeting,
[32:15] 2026 meeting, the petitioner submitted
an additional request which the board
[32:19] approved to table the item to tonight's
meeting. Prior to tonight's meeting, the
[32:23] petitioner submitted another request to
table the public hearing to the November
[32:28] 2nd, 2026 regular meeting. The present
total value of the properties being
[32:33] annexed is $5,13,032.
[32:37] The suggested motion tonight is to table
consideration of ANX 202313
[32:42] an annexation [clears throat]
ordinance to extend the corporate limits
[32:45] of the town of Fuway Verina to include
property owned by Colin H. Grimes,
[32:49] Jennifer P. Grimes, David Charles Davis,
David Davis Scott Revocable Trust, and
[32:55] Rebecca Shelton Davis. ANX 202213 and
the associated declaration of annexation
[33:01] to the November 2nd, 2026 regular town
board meeting per the request of the
[33:06] petitioner. I'm available if you have
any questions.
[33:09] » Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Uh
so the hearing is now open.
[33:18] At the at the request of the petitioner,
management and staff are recommending
[33:23] that the item be tabled and the public
hearing be continued to the November
[33:28] 2nd, 2026 town board meeting. What is
the pleasure of the board?
[33:35] » Mr. Mayor, so moved.
>> Second.
[33:37] » Second.
>> All those in favor of the continuation
[33:41] of the public hearing, let it be known
by saying I.
[33:45] » I.
>> Any oppose? eyes have it. Thank you very
[33:49] much. Really appreciate that.
[33:54] The next item is item 7A,
voluntary annexation petition,
[34:01] Callis Properties LLC and Callis Family
Limited Partnership 2201225
[34:09] and a portion of 2221 Piney Grove
Wilburn Road ANX 202604.
[34:16] More information about this agenda item
will be presented by planning director
[34:20] Davidson.
>> Thank you. I'm submitting the agenda
[34:23] abstract and supporting documents into
the official record of the town. The
[34:27] 5.24 acre combined parcels are
non-ontiguous to the town's corporate
[34:31] limits. Town water is available to serve
the subject properties. [clears throat]
[34:35] Excuse me. However, sewer is unavailable
and has been exempted per the annexation
[34:39] agreement. A fireflow test nearby
resulted in adequate fire flow. Town
[34:44] sanitation and recycling services are
not applicable since it will be
[34:46] developed as a commercial property. At
the August 3rd, 2026 meeting, town clerk
[34:51] certified that the petition was
sufficient and met the requirements
[34:54] prescribed by the North Carolina General
Statutes and the town board adopted a
[34:58] resolution setting a public hearing for
tonight's town board meeting. The
[35:01] present total value of the properties
being annexed is $573,76.
[35:08] The suggested motion tonight is to adopt
the annexation ordinance to extend the
[35:11] corporate limits of the town of Fuguway
Verina to include property owned by
[35:15] Callus Properties LLC and the Callus
Family Limited Partnership ANX 20264
[35:21] and to approve the declaration of
annexation agreement as presented and
[35:24] recommended.
>> Thank you.
[35:29] » The hearing is now open. Does anyone
wish to speak in favor of the voluntary
[35:35] annexation petition?
[35:40] » Mayor, good evening. John Adcock, the
Adcock Law Firm at 202 East Academy
[35:44] Street. I'm here on behalf of the owner
and the applicant.
[35:46] » Good evening.
>> Uh, and they're in favor of this
[35:48] petition. I'm able to ask answer any
questions the board has.
[35:51] » Okay. All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[36:02] Does anyone else wish to speak in favor
of the voluntary annexation petition?
[36:09] Does anyone wish to speak in opposition
to the voluntary annexation petition?
[36:20] If none, the hearing is now closed. Any
discussion by the board?
[36:25] Mr.
[36:29] Mayor. So move second.
>> All right. We had a motion and a second.
[36:35] All those in favor of the motion, let it
be known by saying I.
[36:38] » I.
>> Any opposed? Eyes have it. Thank you
[36:42] very much.
[36:46] We're still in the public hearings. Item
7B, zoning map amendment. Wayne Malden,
[36:53] Malden Watkins Surveying, PA 210
Southwest Street, REZ 202610.
[36:59] More information about this agenda item
will be presented by planning director
[37:03] Davidson.
>> Thank you.
[37:06] » Mr. May, the agenda abstract and
supporting documents into the official
[37:09] record of the town.
>> The requested zoning map amendment is
[37:14] cons sorry I'll go back. The purpose of
this agenda item is to consider a
[37:17] requested zoning map amendment for a
total of 321 acres located at 210
[37:21] Southwest Street from the residential
medium density zoning district to the
[37:25] town center residential zoning district.
The requested zoning map amendment is
[37:30] consistent with the 2040 community
vision land use plan and supports
[37:33] several of the land use plans policies
and the proposed conditions will serve
[37:38] to ensure the proposed triplex matches
the scale and character of the
[37:42] surrounding neighborhood. On July 20th,
2026, the planning board unanimously
[37:47] recommended approval.
There's the Tribox plot planning. The
[37:53] suggested motion tonight is to approve
REZ 202610, a zoning map amendment for
[37:58] 210 Southwest Street from the
residential medium density zoning
[38:02] district to the town center residential
zoning district as it is reasonable and
[38:06] in the best interest of the public for
the reasons identified by management and
[38:09] staff. I'm available if you have any
questions.
[38:14] The hearing is now open. Does anyone
wish to speak in favor of the zoning map
[38:20] amendment?
[38:25] » Good evening, mayor, board. I'm Wayne
Malden with Molden Watkins Survey and
[38:30] 139 North Main Street here in Fugquway.
And we put this reszoning petition
[38:34] together for the owner that you have
before you here tonight. Uh basically
[38:38] what we're looking at on that side of
town is it's a very old house that's in
[38:42] they're in need of some repair.
Uh what they wish to do is not
[38:48] financially
feasible to try to repair it. It's
[38:51] cheaper to tear it down and start all
over. So that's what we're asking for
[38:55] here tonight is the reasoning
uh to the TCR so that we can go in and
[39:01] put in a new structure as you see on the
plot plan before you tonight. If you
[39:05] have any questions, I'll be glad to try
to answer them.
[39:09] » Are there any questions of
>> the petitioner? Any questions?
[39:16] » Thank you.
[39:19] » Does anyone wish to speak in favor of
the zoning map amendment?
[39:27] Does anyone wish to speak in opposition
to the zoning map amendment?
[39:46] I will. Mr. Mayor,
>> again, thank you for allowing me to
[39:50] speak at this time. Uh, Mr. Mayor,
commissioners and managers, thank you
[39:55] for this opportunity.
>> My name is Amy Feny. I live at 608
[39:59] Parker Street here in Fugquway.
And the reason I'm speaking out tonight
[40:03] is we don't want more town homes in
residential neighborhoods. I posted a
[40:08] thing on Next Door about all the rampant
building that is going on in Fugquway at
[40:13] this time. And I think I should call it
to your attention as far as what people
[40:16] are saying about this.
When I mentioned that we should attend
[40:21] town council meetings and make our
concerns known, the main response was
[40:24] did that? They don't care. In many
cases, planning staff work with the
[40:29] developers. Another answer from Bob M
was greed. Jeff C. developers do not
[40:36] care. Audrey G. Greed. It is all about
the town. From Sue A. It's all about the
[40:42] town getting as much money as possible.
Emily B. It isn't just Fugquay, but so
[40:47] many municipalities are growing at this
time. However, Joe S. greedy
[40:53] politicians. Lois. O. It's about the
money and on top of it pushing creatures
[40:58] out of their natural habitat. Stephanie
W. Because they are greedy and do not
[41:02] care. I thought it was important that
you understand what it is that the
[41:07] Fugquay residents want at this time. We
do not want more town homes going up
[41:11] where residential neighborhoods are
right now. It is a sight eyesore. We do
[41:16] not want it. We previously have voted
out people who did not listen to the
[41:21] constituents. And at this time, I urge
you to please listen to the constituents
[41:24] because we voted you in. We don't want
it. Thank you so much for your time. I
[41:30] appreciate your consideration.
>> Thank you very much for your comments.
[41:34] We
>> Do you have any questions I could
[41:35] answer?
>> Not at this time, though.
[41:37] » All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[41:40] Thank you.
[41:46] Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?
[41:56] The hearing is now closed. Any
discussion by the board?
[42:02] » Mr. Mayor, I'll make some comments.
>> All right. Thank you.
[42:06] » Uh when I look at this, I see um um when
we talk about uh downtown, this is
[42:14] downtown. Um it is um where we have
really been successful with um
[42:26] the threestory units there on the corner
of
[42:33] Spring Avenue and Vance Street. Uh, I
think those are an asset in downtown
[42:39] Fugquway and really in our downtowns,
but I think especially in downtown
[42:44] Fugquway,
we need to have more people living there
[42:50] and we need to have density because
that's what's going to keep it alive.
[42:54] Um otherwise the businesses are going to
go out on some of the major main roads
[43:02] and they will avoid downtown Fugway and
you'll see downtown Fugway um I think uh
[43:09] go backwards.
When I look at um this, I also think
[43:14] about the need for housing in our
community. And I think one of the worst
[43:18] things we can do is be put an undue
burden on um folks that are trying to
[43:26] add housing in a market that is becoming
more and more unaffordable.
[43:32] Um and this to me looks like what the
buzzword we hear, missing middle. And I
[43:38] think this is exactly what that is. I
think that's what we have talked about
[43:42] and I think it's something that we are
trying to promote. This seems like an
[43:47] excellent spot to it. We're not
subdividing the lot uh down any more
[43:52] than it already is. We're fitting a uh
one unit on it, but it will have three
[43:59] homes in it. I think it makes a lot of
sense where it is, and I'm willing to
[44:05] make a motion to support it if you'd
like.
[44:08] » You ready for a motion? What is the
pleasure of the board? Any other
[44:11] comments from the board?
>> I would just say that I agree with
[44:14] Charlie Adcock 100% there on sorry,
Commissioner Adcock. Um,
[44:19] it's two blocks from down from South
Main Street, right? So, I think the way
[44:25] our town is going to be growing in the
future that it makes perfect sense.
[44:29] » Thank you. I'll make a motion to approve
RAZ 2026-10,
[44:34] a zoning map amendment for 210 Southwest
Street from the residential medium
[44:39] density zoning district to the town
center residential zoning district. And
[44:44] it is reason as it is reasonable and in
the best interest of the public for the
[44:48] reasons identified by management and
staff.
[44:51] » Second.
>> It's been moved and second. Uh all all
[44:55] in favor of the motion, let it be known
by saying I. I
[45:00] » any oppose?
>> Motion carries. Eyes have it. Thank you.
[45:12] Now we move on to item 7 C, public
hearing, zoning map amendment. Wayne
[45:18] Malden, Malden Watkins surveying, PA 417
and 419 Raleigh Street, REZ 202611.
[45:27] More information about this agenda item
will be presented by planning director
[45:32] Davidson.
>> Thank you.
[45:33] » Okay, Pam.
>> I'm submitting the agenda abstract and
[45:36] supporting documents indeed the official
records of the town.
[45:40] We've received several inquiries and
significant feedback on this resoning
[45:44] request. So, I thought before we get
into the heart of it, it might be
[45:47] helpful to review the goals of the Town
Center Residential Zoning District. The
[45:52] Town Center residential zoning district
is uniquely situated just outside the
[45:56] downtown areas and provides an eclectic
mix of housing types and lot sizes that
[46:01] have developed over decades. With a
density cap of 10 dwelling units per
[46:06] acre, the lot sizes range from a handful
of 1acre lots to a few that are less
[46:11] than a tenth of an acre with the
majority falling somewhere in between.
[46:15] Most are single family detached homes,
but they're also a sprinkling of
[46:18] duplexes and a few town homes.
Most of the area classified as town
[46:23] center residential and the land use plan
is currently zoned either residential
[46:26] low density like the lots we're talking
about tonight or residential medium
[46:31] density. Being that the current zoning
was applied after many of the homes were
[46:35] built, often the current properties do
not meet either the minimum lot size,
[46:40] minimum lot frontage, or setback
requirements.
[46:44] Residential low density requires a
14,500
[46:48] square foot lot that is at least 80 foot
wide. 417 and 419 Raleigh Street are
[46:54] both less than 9,000 square ft and
neither are close to 80 foot wide. Lots
[46:59] made non-conforming by the adoption of
development standards are considered
[47:03] lots of record and permitted to develop
one single family home. Since the lot is
[47:09] substandard, applying the required
setbacks might be difficult. So the
[47:13] ordinance also provides an opportunity
for reduced side and rear setbacks for
[47:17] non-conforming lots of record.
Instead of developing as a lot of
[47:22] record, property owners may seek to
resone the property to town center
[47:25] residential. The town center residential
district encourages a mix of housing
[47:30] types as you can see on the chart and
allows for smaller setbacks since the
[47:34] area is slightly more urban. Since you
are not permitted to expand
[47:38] nonconformity, reszoning to Town Center
residential also gives existing
[47:43] homeowners more flexibility to expand an
existing property to fit their growing
[47:47] needs. [snorts]
Here's some examples of development
[47:51] resulting from the 30 TCR resonings the
town has approved since 2016 when we put
[47:58] this in place. Before we get into the
details of today's zoning request, I do
[48:03] also want to speak to affordability. The
town does not have any standards or
[48:07] requirements regarding the affordability
of new development or even have a tool
[48:11] to regulate or measure what expansions
or renovations of existing homes do to
[48:16] property values and assess taxes.
Whether properties are maintained,
[48:20] renovated, rented, sold, or even
demolished for something new is market
[48:25] driven.
The town center residential standards
[48:29] strive to guide development towards a
variety of housing options that can be
[48:33] adapted to fit the scale and context of
the existing neighborhood while
[48:37] connecting to the fabric of the existing
infrastructure. [snorts]
[48:41] The purpose of tonight's agenda is to
consider a requested zoning map
[48:45] amendment for a total of 414 acres
located at 417 and 419 Raleigh Street
[48:51] from the residential lowdensity zoning
district to the town center residential
[48:55] zoning district. Although traffic impact
is now required at resoning, the
[48:59] engineering director waved the
requirement due to the limited scale of
[49:03] the development and resulting in
negligible traffic impacts. The two
[49:07] required parking spaces per home are
being provided in a rear alley loaded
[49:11] garage and additional overflow parking
will likely be accommodated in the
[49:16] private alley.
The total point4 acre development will
[49:20] not trigger storm water requirements
because the difference in increased
[49:23] impervious area is so small that the
state doesn't recognize it for
[49:27] permitting.
[49:31] The requested zoning map amendment is
consistent with the 2040 community
[49:35] vision land use plan and supports the
following land use plan policies. 2.1
[49:41] which encourages infill development and
redevelopment inside town limits as a
[49:45] way to reinvest in the existing
downtowns and neighborhoods and policy
[49:49] 4.1 which seeks to manage future growth
and development in priority investment
[49:54] areas.
In addition, the plot plan and
[49:58] elevations
provided demonstrate that the proposed
[50:02] development generally meets the town
center residential standards and the
[50:05] facade conditions offered confirm that
the appearance of the proposed homes
[50:09] will contribute to the character of the
neighborhood. At the July 20th, 2026
[50:14] planning board, the planning board
unanimously recommended approval. Just a
[50:18] couple other notes now. We have the plot
plans and elevations in front of us. Um,
[50:21] there has been some concern about the
front setback and it is true that the
[50:25] majority of homes in this vicinity are
set back about 30 feet from the front
[50:31] property line. Um, with this there's
going to be a 5-ft dedication and the
[50:38] edge of pavement. In addition to that
five foot dedication, we'll put about 18
[50:42] feet from the edge of pavement to the
front property line. As you can see, the
[50:47] closest house, the front porch will be
12 and a half feet from that front
[50:52] property line. And that results in about
30 feet from the edge of the pavement of
[50:57] the road. There's no sidewalks to that
front porch. Um, row homes provide front
[51:02] porches where residents can interact
with neighbors walking by and maintain
[51:06] the charming scale of the street for
pedestrians. One of the requests had
[51:10] been, can they abandon the rear alley
and instead have driveways on the front?
[51:16] Um, the majority of houses in this
neighborhood were developed long before
[51:19] we had garages and the car was quite the
priority it is today. So, if we did
[51:24] shift these houses back, they would have
garages on the front, likely twocar
[51:28] garages that would be 16 to 18 feet
wide, taking up a pretty good portion of
[51:34] that 26 foot frontage. So the row home
concept just to fit that character of
[51:40] the neighborhood would be to have front
porches where people sitting on the
[51:44] front porch could interact with people
walking by on the street walking their
[51:47] dog. Right? This is kind of a pedestrian
street versus having a pretty harsh wall
[51:53] of a garage. Um that would really cut
that house off from the neighborhood. I
[51:57] think that's kind of a character. Um,
also lot size, um, 515 Raleigh Street
[52:04] and 114 Blanchert Street, kind of around
the corner, are also just over 5,000
[52:09] square feet, like proposed lots one and
two. 114 and 116 Woodro Street, are both
[52:16] just 6,500
square feet like lot three, and they are
[52:22] adjacent to 311 Raleigh Street and 406
Academy Street, which are both closer to
[52:27] an acre. The eclectic pattern of lot
sizes, house styles, and materials
[52:32] definitely contribute to the character
of the area. The last thing I'll mention
[52:36] is density. The increase from two lots
to three lots on this parcel
[52:42] specifically does increase the density
from five dwelling units to seven
[52:46] dwelling units on this property. But it
only increases the density on the block
[52:52] from 2.5 to 2.7.
Looking at some other blocks around
[52:57] here, the density on the surrounding
blocks varies from about 3.2 to five
[53:02] dwelling units per acre. So that really
fits in kind of with the fabric that
[53:06] we're talking about. So again, I would
argue that these three lots fit into
[53:10] that fabric of the overall community and
contribute um new housing opportunities.
[53:18] The suggested motion tonight is to
approve REZ 202611, a zoning map
[53:22] amendment for 417 and 419 Raleigh Street
from the residential lowdensity zoning
[53:26] district to the town center residential
zoning district as it is reasonable and
[53:31] in the best interest of the public for
the reasons identified by management and
[53:34] staff. I'm available if you have any
additional questions about TCR or this
[53:38] resoning specifically.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Any questions from
[53:44] Director Davidson?
All right. Thank you.
[53:49] The hearing is now open.
Does anyone wish to speak in favor of
[53:55] the zoning map amendment?
[54:00] » Good evening, mayor, board members.
Again, I'm Wayne Molden with Molden Wack
[54:03] Survey and at 139 North Main Street here
in Fugquway. And we put the reasoning
[54:08] we're looking at tonight together for
the owner, which is also here.
[54:14] Um, I want to thank Pam. She explained
all that stuff better than I could.
[54:19] It seems like the ordinance changes
every day. Basically, what we're doing
[54:24] here is at the present time, there is a
condo or duplex unit on two lots.
[54:29] There's two existing lots.
Uh, I think one of those units has
[54:34] already been declared unfit to be lived
in.
[54:38] So, there's only one side of it being
occupied at this time.
[54:43] Under the current zoning with the two
lots, if we tore the building down, we
[54:49] could, I think, put four units back up
there. We could have duplexes on both
[54:54] lots.
Uh, we decided to go to the resoning to
[54:58] the TCR.
We pick up one lot, but instead of
[55:02] getting four units, we're getting three
residential single family homes.
[55:08] We think that'll fit in a lot better
with the neighborhood in that area.
[55:12] than duplexes, which we've heard some
tonight say they didn't need no more
[55:17] multif family. So, we're trying to put
three nice single family homes.
[55:22] So, if any of you have any questions,
I'll be glad to try to answer.
[55:27] » Any questions?
>> No. Thank you.
[55:30] » Thank you, Wayne. Appreciate it.
[55:37] Does anyone
else wish to speak in favor of the
[55:40] zoning map amendment?
[55:49] » Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the
board. I'm Preston Perry, 1994 NC42. I'm
[55:54] here to speak in favor of this um
resoning petition. I I don't have a lot
[55:59] specifically to add. Um, we we do for
the points that have already been
[56:02] brought up believe this is a prudent fit
for what TCR stands for and is the
[56:07] appropriate housing product to provide
an obtainable housing solution and close
[56:11] proximity to our two downtown areas. If
we're going to be a walkable community
[56:15] and we're going to hang our hats on
having thriving downtown areas, then
[56:18] people need to be able to visit those.
Um, and we feel we've, you know, I I
[56:23] hate that we can't all agree on things
and I understand there is concern, but
[56:27] we have taken feedback and feel that we
have provided conditions both in the
[56:31] resoning petition as well as in the
design considerations we're presenting
[56:35] to try to fit into the neighborhood and
offer an amicable, reasonable solution
[56:39] that looks appropriate for that side of
town. Um, the first house I bought when
[56:43] my wife and I moved to Fugquway was on
this block. I know this area. We walked
[56:48] the dog around the neighborhood, took
the kids to Falcon Park, done the whole
[56:51] thing. But when the second kid came
along, there's not a lot of
[56:54] opportunities in that area. Um, and we
feel that we should be able to provide
[56:59] that for people that want to utilize the
walkability and sense of community that
[57:03] this part of town creates. Um, again, as
far as the technical side, I think Pam
[57:08] and and Wayne did a great job presenting
those facts. And if there's any
[57:11] questions I can answer, more than happy
to do so.
[57:14] » Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.
[57:15] » Appreciate it.
[57:20] Does anyone else wish to speak in favor
of the zoning map amendment?
[57:32] Does anyone wish to speak in opposition
to the zoning map amendment?
[57:40] » Hello, Mayor Harris and commissioners.
My name is Tiffany Wagner and I live at
[57:44] the Blanchard House at 644 Aken Parkway
in downtown Peekway Verina.
[57:51] I am here with the supporters of the
historic branch. Tonight we are
[57:54] submitting a petition against the
resoning petition for 417 and 419
[58:00] Raleigh Street. The language of this
petition contains the following. We the
[58:05] residents and homeowners of downtown
Fugquway Verina petitioned the town to
[58:09] preserve the character of the
neighborhood and promote responsible
[58:13] growth and development.
[58:17] Therefore, number one, the undersigned
object to the request for the resoning
[58:22] and site map for 417 and 419 Raleigh
Street, Fugquway Verina from RMD to TCR
[58:29] as it is currently proposed by Pine
State Construction Group. Should the
[58:33] size of the houses be significantly
reduced and the lot lines increase, we
[58:37] are less opposed to this reasonzoning.
Number two, the undersigned believe
[58:42] adjustments should be made to the TCR
district development standards.
[58:47] We petition for the formulation of a
stakeholder advisory committee to make
[58:52] recommendations to the Fway Verina
Planning Department for the A4
[58:56] standards.
[59:00] As I said before, I'm here with the
supporters of the historic fringe. This
[59:06] name may be new to you, but after
hearing from some of our supporters
[59:09] tonight, you'll get to know us a little
better. Our goal tonight is to ask that
[59:13] you deny the 417419 Raleigh Street
reszone request.
[59:18] In support of this denial, I'm here to
present our petition, which includes the
[59:23] signatures of 377 residents and
homeowners in downtown Fugquway Verina
[59:28] who oppose this reszone request. I would
also like to point your attention to our
[59:33] map which shows a large number of
residents who support our opposition.
[59:37] And I just want to point to you this red
square.
[59:53] As you can see, this is a very large and
significant portion of the residents in
[59:58] the downtown district. It also shows our
neighborhood's proximity to the historic
[1:00:02] residential neighborhood, which is what
creates the character of this town that
[1:00:06] we all love. And I thank you all for
listening.
[1:00:09] » Thank you very much. We appreciate it so
much. Thank you for your comments.
[1:00:18] » Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?
[1:00:35] » [clears throat]
[1:00:49] » Good evening. Good evening, Mayor
Harris, town board, and staff.
[1:00:53] I'm a supporter of the historic Fringe
neighborhood. Also, my name is Eric
[1:00:58] Kristofferson. My wife and I live at 504
East Academy Street, formerly known as
[1:01:03] the Baptist Parsonage.
We also own and operate the restored
[1:01:07] Fugquway Springs Teacheridge at 602 East
Academy Street. These are both within a
[1:01:12] block of the subject property.
We're here to oppose the zoning map
[1:01:18] amendment request and plot plan
submitted by Pine State Corp. to reszone
[1:01:22] the lots at 417 and 419 Raleigh Street
to Town Center Residential.
[1:01:28] The map that Tiffany shared with you
shows overwhelming opposition in our
[1:01:33] neighborhood to this type of
development.
[1:01:36] 377 signatures.
[1:01:42] Everyone that signed the petition cares
what gets built at this corner.
[1:01:48] The charts that I have show a I think I
can see them here.
[1:01:55] show Pine State's plot plan of three row
houses outlined in red and overlaid onto
[1:02:01] the lots at 417 and 419 Raleigh streets.
The other chart shows a height
[1:02:07] comparison of the row houses compared to
neighboring houses.
[1:02:12] Those are the first two pages in your
handout. Did you hand out Teresa?
[1:02:18] We know that neighborhood opposition
alone is not enough for you to deny this
[1:02:25] resoning request because the plans that
Pine State submitted are legal according
[1:02:31] to the town's land development
ordinance.
[1:02:34] But as you can see, these row houses and
the dimensions and standards behind them
[1:02:40] are radically out of character for the
neighborhood.
[1:02:45] They were approved by the planning board
despite major deviations from the town's
[1:02:50] own 2040 community vision land use plan
for TCR zoning.
[1:02:58] Here are some statements from that plan
that you'll find at the back of the
[1:03:01] handout.
Miss Davidson did not point to these
[1:03:06] statements, but I will. They're on pages
54 through 57.
[1:03:12] On page 54,
preserving the character of existing
[1:03:16] homes is a high priority in this area.
Also, page 54, the type, size,
[1:03:25] orientation, and character of new homes
built in existing neighborhoods should
[1:03:30] be compatible with adjacent properties.
Also
[1:03:36] on page 54, officials should be careful
of unintended consequences of infield
[1:03:41] development, such as increased storm
water flooding, increased traffic on
[1:03:46] narrow streets, or rising home values
that drive existing residents out of the
[1:03:52] area.
On page 56, front and sideyard setbacks
[1:03:59] should be generally consistent along
block faces to provide streetscape
[1:04:04] continuity.
[1:04:07] » Going to ask you to
in your comments,
[1:04:10] » please use the guidance in our land use
plan to deny this zoning map amendment
[1:04:17] request.
>> Thank you very much.
[1:04:19] » Thank you.
>> Appreciate it so much. Thank you for
[1:04:21] your feedback.
[1:04:29] Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?
[1:04:35] » Good evening, commissioners, Mayor
Harris, management.
[1:04:38] » Good evening.
>> My name is Emily Holloway. I live at 312
[1:04:42] Andrew Road in a 1,400 square foot home
built in 1940. My husband and I reared
[1:04:48] two boys who are now adults in this
three-bedroom, one-bath house. It was
[1:04:53] originally owned by John and Mildred
Ascu. He was a Fugquway Arena High
[1:04:57] School math teacher and a tobacco
bookman. She was a graduate of the
[1:05:01] Giuliard School of Music and the local
piano teacher. I am a proud supporter of
[1:05:05] the historic fringe. Eric was just
talking about statements in the town's
[1:05:10] own land use plan that we believe give
you reason to deny the zoning map
[1:05:14] amendment request without fear of
reprisal. While not regulatory, these
[1:05:19] statements regarding TCR zoning in the
land use plan make very clear the
[1:05:24] importance and intent of preserving the
character, density, size, compatibility
[1:05:30] with adjacent properties, front and side
setbacks, consistency along block faces,
[1:05:37] and a sense of place of the existing
neighborhoods.
[1:05:41] They especially matter in this unique
one-of-a-kind historic French
[1:05:44] neighborhood on the edge of downtown. It
is an area full of history, local
[1:05:48] landmarks, spacious front yards, narrow
streets, mature trees, walkability, and
[1:05:55] proximity to parks and downtown areas.
It is comprised of a mix of low to
[1:06:00] moderatelysized and priced homes. This
is what gives our neighborhood its sense
[1:06:05] of place, and it is worth preserving.
This plot plan at 417 and 419 Raleigh
[1:06:11] Street is a complete departure from
these standards and statements. We are
[1:06:15] asking you to deny the zoning map
amendment request. This would give the
[1:06:19] developer another opportunity to meet
with neighborhood stakeholders and
[1:06:22] arrive at a reasonable plan that better
fits the character of the neighborhood.
[1:06:27] Pine State was not present at the
neighborhood meeting on June 8th, 2026.
[1:06:31] And stakeholders have not had an
opportunity to speak with them about
[1:06:35] this project. They have not responded to
stakeholders phone calls or text
[1:06:40] messages for more information since the
planning board's approval on July 20th,
[1:06:44] 2026.
If the resoning and existing plot plan
[1:06:47] is approved, a precedent will be set
that allows developers to build more of
[1:06:52] the same types of anomalies. Housing,
clearly something that the majority of
[1:06:56] the neighbors do not want. The town
planning department's website states
[1:07:02] that the land use plan is a living
document. meant to be revisited and
[1:07:07] amended as necessary as the community
moves forward in growth. This is an
[1:07:13] opportunity to amend the land use plan
to better serve the downtown historic
[1:07:18] French neighborhood and the neighbors
who live there. Thank you.
[1:07:21] » Thank you. Thank you very much for your
feedback. We appreciate you.
[1:07:25] » Thank you.
[1:07:30] speak in opposition to the zoning map
amendment.
[1:07:34] Thank you.
>> Good evening, mayor, commissioners,
[1:07:37] managers.
>> Good evening.
[1:07:38] » My name is Shondaanda Dupal. I live at
413 Raleigh Street, and I am also a
[1:07:44] supporter of the historic French. I'm
speaking here tonight in opposition to
[1:07:50] the zoning map amendment request for 417
and 419 Raleigh Street, specifically in
[1:07:56] regards to the front and sideyard
setbacks outlined on the project plot
[1:08:01] maps in accordance with the TCR zoning.
I live right next door to these lots.
[1:08:08] The front setback is 10 feet from the
property line and the setback along the
[1:08:14] side property line, my property line is
only 5 and 1/2 ft. Um, as you can see
[1:08:21] from the height graphic, the sheer size
and height of the proposed building will
[1:08:27] completely overwhelm my house. The 80
foot long facade of the side building
[1:08:34] and the two and a half story height
running along the property will cast a
[1:08:39] literal and figurative shadow over my
home. I will lose all morning light. The
[1:08:45] structure will block most if not all
visibility from that side of my house.
[1:08:50] That's the side of my house my porch is
on. That's the side of my house where my
[1:08:55] garden grows.
Conversely, the encroaching wall will
[1:09:00] also eliminate any sense of privacy I
currently have up to and including the
[1:09:06] 20-year-old crepe myrtles that bloom
every summer that run down the property
[1:09:11] line. Any windows built into that side
of the building will look directly into
[1:09:18] my home.
I am only one person, one homeowner in
[1:09:24] such close proximity to this outofscale
project. However, these setbacks and out
[1:09:30] of character buildings affect all of the
adjacent homeowners as well. Their sense
[1:09:35] of space, their views, their privacy
will also be negatively impacted.
[1:09:42] As all of us who call this neighborhood,
this community home, I chose Fugway for
[1:09:48] its small town charm, uh, the unique
architecture in the houses, and the
[1:09:52] proximity to our quaint downtown. I
chose it because it reminds me of the
[1:09:57] town I grew up in in Virginia.
Uh, I do fear that the proposed project
[1:10:03] put forward by Pine State will
irrefocably alter the spirit of this
[1:10:08] neighborhood and in its current plan is
not in keeping with the character and
[1:10:13] scale of the existing homes. Therefore,
I'm asking we're asking respectfully
[1:10:19] that you um vote to deny the zoning map
amendment request. I thank you for your
[1:10:25] time and your attention.
>> Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Thank
[1:10:29] you. appreciate your comments.
[1:10:34] » Yes.
[1:10:38] » Good evening, mayor and commissioners.
Uh my name is Paul Hodgej and I live at
[1:10:43] 505 Raleigh Street, Fugquway Berina.
Uh I'm speaking this evening as a
[1:10:48] supporter of the historic fringe. Um we
are speaking in opposition of the
[1:10:53] development at the corner of Raleigh and
Ena Streets. Um and um specifically I'll
[1:10:58] be highlighting some storm water
concerns that I have. It's my
[1:11:02] understanding that if a residential
development area is less than 1 acre on
[1:11:07] a project, a storm water study is not
required.
[1:11:11] The obvious flaw in such a regulation is
that there are simply not many 1acre
[1:11:15] lots left in downtown Fuway Berina. Our
hope is that the town does track total
[1:11:21] development in a way that adds acreage
of various developments and projects. Uh
[1:11:26] but uh currently we're not aware of such
a strategy.
[1:11:30] Pivoting to this specific proposed
development, one glance at the existing
[1:11:35] GIS versus the plan view of this project
quickly reveals an increase in imperous
[1:11:40] footprint.
As a degreed engineer, I was able to run
[1:11:44] a few unofficial calculations that
painted an alarming picture for drainage
[1:11:48] adjacent to this property with one
section of masonry pipe appearing to be
[1:11:53] undersized by nearly 50%.
A brief personal story.
[1:11:58] Admittedly, it is easy to overlook storm
water runoff on an individual project
[1:12:03] basis. I found myself guilty of this
oversight during the recent sewer water
[1:12:07] line replacement on Clifton Street to
the east of my property.
[1:12:11] After the work was complete, the town
contractor quickly covered and expo the
[1:12:15] the exposed piping and and uh and
demobilized.
[1:12:18] While walking by dog one evening, I
recall seeing that they did not regrade
[1:12:22] the storm water covert and after filling
the trench with dirt. I suppose whoever
[1:12:28] blessed the project closure either
missed the issue or was simply used to
[1:12:31] seeing partially blocked storm water
drains across downtown.
[1:12:35] I made the mistake of thinking not my
property, not my problem.
[1:12:40] A year or so later, a water line
ruptured further up Clifton Street and
[1:12:44] was flowing into the now blocked
culvert.
[1:12:47] [cough] My neighbor's yard became
saturated until water began to migrate
[1:12:50] to my property, eventually filling my
crawl space with over a foot of water
[1:12:56] before the rupture was repaired. We were
we were able to mitigate the damage at
[1:13:00] my property, but my neighbor's situation
was a lot worse. A tropical storm also
[1:13:05] caused similar flooding issue on both
properties due to the blockage.
[1:13:09] So, a reoccurring theme. The point of
this story is not to blame myself or the
[1:13:14] town for negligence, uh, but to
highlight that a minor issue in one
[1:13:18] covert can quickly, uh, cause
significant damage elsewhere. As it
[1:13:22] turns out, storm water runoff is all of
our problem. Please consider the impact
[1:13:27] that this development can have on
adjacent properties and common flood
[1:13:31] control systems. And uh I uh with with
the rest of uh the group here, I I
[1:13:37] petition that uh the reszoning is
denied. Thank you.
[1:13:41] » Thank you very much. Appreciate your
comments.
[1:13:47] Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?
[1:13:53] » Yes.
>> Hello, my name is Lese Johnston. I live
[1:13:57] at 629 East Vance Street and am a
supporter of the historic fringe. I
[1:14:03] moved to FCO Verina in 1995. I lived on
Wade Street for 13 years before moving
[1:14:09] around the corner to Vance Street. We
love the charm of the neighborhood and
[1:14:14] the distance between the houses. I'm
sure my neighbors like this distance,
[1:14:18] too, especially when my husband placed
the bag pipes.
[1:14:22] I would I would not normally speak at a
town board meeting or any meeting, but I
[1:14:28] firmly believe the construction of these
large row houses at the corner of
[1:14:32] Raleigh and In Street would be
detrimental to our community. This is a
[1:14:37] hilly area and our home sits at the
bottom of two downhill streets. There's
[1:14:43] a creek that runs in front of us that
drains from Raleigh Street and another
[1:14:47] creek on the side of our property. We
also have a large hill behind us that
[1:14:52] was created when the town homes were
built. After their construction,
[1:14:57] increased water runoff from that hill
caused flooding in our yard.
[1:15:02] During meetings with the town home
builders, we were assured that their
[1:15:06] construction would not create storm
water runoff for our property. Because
[1:15:10] of our experience, we are no longer
willing to accept asurances when the
[1:15:15] actual circumstances do not support it.
[1:15:21] Changing zoning and covering lots which
is with as much house and concrete
[1:15:27] allowed will decrease available land to
absorb rainwater.
[1:15:33] Each time a house is built that causes
an increase in water runoff will have a
[1:15:38] cumulative effect on surrounding homes.
Words may not convey the effect
[1:15:44] overbuilding can have in this area. So I
brought a picture. It's not as big as
[1:15:48] their picture
showing how water runoff from current
[1:15:54] construction already affected our
property. And I have plenty more
[1:15:58] pictures like this.
I'm also concerned about the safety risk
[1:16:04] of parking on Raleigh Street because
it's such a narrow street. Because of
[1:16:09] the limited parking provided with these
house plans, visitors in a car or the
[1:16:15] third car of a family with a driving
teenager or delivery truck will most
[1:16:21] likely have to park on the street. We
parked a car on Raleigh Street in front
[1:16:26] of this lot and within minutes we saw a
car try to turn onto Riley Street while
[1:16:31] another car was coming in the opposite
direction on Raleigh Street. and we saw
[1:16:36] firsthand the hazard this situation
created.
[1:16:42] Because of these and other concerns, I
respectfully ask the commissioners to
[1:16:48] vote against this zoning map amendment
request.
[1:16:53] I thank you all for your service to our
town
[1:16:57] and I thank you for considering the
concerns of the residents in this area.
[1:17:02] » Thank you very much. appreciate your
feedback. Thank you. Does anyone else
[1:17:07] wish to speak in opposition? Thank you.
[1:17:14] » Good evening. My name is Victoria Hajj
and I live at 505 Raleigh Street. I'm
[1:17:19] speaking this evening as a supporter of
the historic French. We are speaking in
[1:17:22] opposition to the resoning of the 417
and 419 lots of Raleigh Street given the
[1:17:27] current proposal of development. We are
against the resoning due to the road
[1:17:31] safety impacts that the proposed
development will create from overflow
[1:17:35] parking. The developer suggests that
their plan will provide plenty of
[1:17:39] parking for residents. While a twocar
garage for each home looks wonderful on
[1:17:43] paper, the reality is very different.
According to a study by the US
[1:17:47] Department of Energy, 25% of Americans
with a twocar garage do not park a
[1:17:53] single vehicle inside. An additional 33%
only park one car inside. Data local to
[1:17:59] Raleigh Street is even more extreme. The
developer recently built four homes on
[1:18:03] the block adjacent to the proposed
development, each with a two-car garage.
[1:18:08] 0% of the residents park a single
vehicle inside of their garages. Given
[1:18:13] this data, it is reasonable to assert
that the two-car garages and the 5-ft
[1:18:17] parking pads will not provide sufficient
parking for the residents of the
[1:18:21] proposed development. The rear entry
alleyway does not provide space for
[1:18:25] overflow parking like a traditional
driveway. Consequently, this will lead
[1:18:29] to on- street parking. Overflow on
street parking is guaranteed if families
[1:18:33] have a third or fourth vehicle. We
understand that on street parking is
[1:18:38] common on some of our downtown streets.
However, Raleigh Street is not equipped
[1:18:42] for such a practice. The average width
of the road in front of the property is
[1:18:46] approximately 20 to 21 ft. When I drive
to work on Friday mornings, I have to
[1:18:51] yield to oncoming traffic when the
garbage cans are out. If garbage cans
[1:18:55] create a one-way street, imagine the
impact of multiple vehicles parked in
[1:18:59] front of the residents. This raises many
safety concerns. When speaking with the
[1:19:04] Fugquway Verina Fire Marshal earlier
today, he advised that new guidance
[1:19:08] requires a minimum road width of 20 ft
for an emergency vehicle to pass. That
[1:19:13] is the exact width of Raleigh Street. If
any cars park on the street, emergency
[1:19:19] vehicles will be unable to pass. We are
extremely blessed to live in close
[1:19:23] proximity to the fire station, but
proximity is no longer beneficial when
[1:19:27] roads are blocked to emergency vehicles.
Additionally, on street parking creates
[1:19:32] unsafe conditions for pedestrians and
drivers given the current road
[1:19:36] conditions. Pedestrians will be forced
onto the grass to avoid oncoming
[1:19:40] traffic. Visibility at the intersection
of Raleigh and Inennis will be
[1:19:43] drastically reduced for drivers,
potentially leading to vehicle
[1:19:46] collisions and pedestrian injuries at it
is not a four-way stop. The speed limit
[1:19:51] of Raleigh Street is 35 mph, which is
not conducive to driving around parked
[1:19:56] vehicles while safely avoiding
pedestrians and oncoming traffic. We are
[1:20:00] disappointed that the developer's plan
does not include sufficient parking on
[1:20:03] the property, whether by way of a
traditional driveway like their adjacent
[1:20:06] properties or parking spots offset for
the road. We care about the safety and
[1:20:10] well-being of our neighbors, and the
proposed resoning endangers everyone who
[1:20:14] walks, drives, or bikes on Raleigh
Street. It is that reason we reject your
[1:20:18] the resoning. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. We appreciate Thank
[1:20:22] you. your observation. Thank you.
[1:20:36] » Good evening all.
>> Good evening.
[1:20:37] » Good evening.
>> My name is Ann Marie Miko. I have lived
[1:20:40] in the Wade Dale House at 508 East
Academy Street for 39 years. I'm here
[1:20:46] with the supporters of the historic
fringe. We respectfully ask that you
[1:20:50] deny the resoning request for 417419
Raleigh Street. My objection to this
[1:20:56] reszone and tear down is based on
opportunity cost. By tearing down small
[1:21:00] entry-level homes and replacing them
with homes that cost $600,000 and more,
[1:21:05] we are removing opportunity for many
people to buy homes. We have heard
[1:21:10] proponents of this project and others
like it say that the TCR designation is
[1:21:14] designed to help create missing middle
housing.
[1:21:17] The missing housing in Fuway Verina is
single family homes priced 350,000 and
[1:21:22] below. I spoke to many realtors,
brokers, and a builder. They
[1:21:26] consistently stated that we have plenty
of homes 600,000 and above. People that
[1:21:31] can afford those homes have not been
deterred by current market conditions.
[1:21:36] The realtors cannot find homes below
$350,000.
[1:21:40] Every realtor I spoke to said military
families, firefighters and EMTs, police
[1:21:46] officers, town of Fuway Vina employees,
teachers, young families, and retirees
[1:21:51] looking to decrease expense cannot find
homes to buy in Fugquway Verina. Part of
[1:21:57] the solution to this problem is sitting
right in front of us. The affordable
[1:22:00] 20th century homes located west and east
of downtown are often between 250 and
[1:22:06] 350,000.
The alarming problem is that developers
[1:22:09] are making offers on homes that are not
listed for sale, buying to tear down,
[1:22:14] and building houses that do not fit the
neighborhoods in scale, in character,
[1:22:18] and in price. The process creates a very
negative impact for current and future
[1:22:22] homeowners in the neighborhoods.
Property values are significantly and
[1:22:26] artificially inflated. Property taxes
are escalated to a cost that can drive
[1:22:30] homeowners out of long cherished homes.
And modest homes that so many people
[1:22:35] might afford end up in a landfill
without those families ever having a
[1:22:39] chance to make an offer. Benefits of
home ownership are well known.
[1:22:43] Connection and commitment to community.
The proud accomplishment of shelter for
[1:22:48] a family. A chance to build personal
wealth. An asset that can be leveraged
[1:22:52] for children's education. A chance to
change your circumstance. Our
[1:22:56] exponential growth will require more and
more essential service workers. They do
[1:23:00] the jobs that we don't have the ability
to do and sometimes we don't want to do.
[1:23:05] They should be part of the fabric of
this community, not day laborers who
[1:23:10] drive in and out for miles because they
can't fi cannot find a place that they
[1:23:14] can afford to buy in Fuway. We can do
better. Towns around us are developing
[1:23:19] programs from which we can learn. It's a
tremendous opportunity to bring people
[1:23:22] together. Mayor Harris and
commissioners, I implore you to make
[1:23:26] workforce housing a top priority in our
town. Our community can work together to
[1:23:31] address this problem. We have an asset
in these homes that can be part of the
[1:23:34] solution. I appreciate this process for
public input when there are important
[1:23:38] issues to resolve. The issue we address
tonight deserves longer, more thoughtful
[1:23:42] conversation than public comments allow.
We request you commit to addressing this
[1:23:47] pro problem. We would like to work with
you.
[1:23:50] » Thank you for your feedback. We
appreciate your comments.
[1:23:53] [clears throat]
Thank you.
[1:23:56] Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?
[1:24:02] » Okay. Thank you.
>> So sorry. Hello. I'm Corey Wear. I live
[1:24:06] at 405 East Spring Street in the
wonderful downtown Fugquway. Thank you
[1:24:10] for your time, mayor and commissioners.
I am here with my fellow neighbors to
[1:24:14] speak in opposition of the 417 and 419
Raleigh Street project. As I'm a
[1:24:18] supporter of the historic French, my
husband and our two sons, now ages three
[1:24:23] and five, moved into the neighborhood in
2023. We previously lived in a new
[1:24:27] construction home off Fleming Loop with
a nice low interest rate. We sold it for
[1:24:32] our now much smaller, much older home.
You are probably thinking, as many
[1:24:36] people did, why on earth would you do
that? We moved because the charm of our
[1:24:40] 1955 home, the mature trees and
walkability are things you cannot find
[1:24:44] in a new community. Every weekend we
walked to get coffee, the parks,
[1:24:49] downtown events, and our friends houses
in the neighborhood. What is there not
[1:24:52] to love? I remember in one previous
meeting, in this meeting, the
[1:24:56] representative from Pine State commented
that they outgrew their home in downtown
[1:24:59] Fugway. People thought we were crazy
from downsizing from 2200 to,300 ft with
[1:25:05] young kids, but we love living in a
smaller home. I clean it quickly. We
[1:25:09] spend lots of family time together, and
it function and flows much better than
[1:25:12] the two new construction homes we owned
previously. Our cozy little home is
[1:25:16] truly my favorite my family's favorite
place to be and we plan to live there
[1:25:20] for the rest of our lives. I am so
excited for the future of our downtown.
[1:25:24] I am supportive of growth and
improvements and I always tried to sell
[1:25:27] my friends on how wonderful living in
downtown Fugquway is. There are many
[1:25:31] homes that have been renovated and still
have the charm of their original bones.
[1:25:34] I also understand some of the houses are
in bad shape and are too far gone to be
[1:25:38] saved. However, putting three row homes
on that corner lot does not fit the
[1:25:42] character of the neighborhood. These
houses will tower over neighbors, be
[1:25:45] scarily close to each other, and stick
out like a sore thumb on that corner. My
[1:25:49] family walks and my kids ride their
bikes in that area frequently. The
[1:25:52] parking nightmare, as many people have
stated, is terrifying for a parent.
[1:25:58] Once we all know that garages are not
used for a car, they're used for
[1:26:03] storage. Most homes have two drivers and
two cars and once teenagers can drive
[1:26:08] more. I am worried about the safety of
that corner as the plans call for the
[1:26:11] shared alleyway for these homes. I am a
daughter of a small business owner and
[1:26:16] an employee of that business. So, I
totally understand Pine State's
[1:26:19] approach. I am not here to attack them.
I know they love our town. They have
[1:26:22] built many beautiful homes and are
success successful in what they do. I
[1:26:26] also think it's important that they
respect the look of the neighborhoods
[1:26:29] and input of the neighbors. As someone
with very expensive taste and a lover of
[1:26:32] nice things, I believe they can still do
this to their quality level without
[1:26:36] being intrusive to the neighborhood. I
don't know if my comments will make a
[1:26:39] difference in the outcome tonight, but I
would lose sleep at night if I didn't
[1:26:42] take the time to share them. I am
passionate about our passionate about
[1:26:46] our downtown and feel the need to try to
protect the homes and the charm while
[1:26:50] advocating for growth in the right way.
I'd love to see more people live down
[1:26:54] here, more small businesses able to
survive and improvements to some issues
[1:26:57] like sidewalks and connecting the two
downtowns. I hope you all will take the
[1:27:01] time to drive by the current lot in
question, visualize what is in the
[1:27:04] plans, and understand why there is a
petition in so many signatures. Again, I
[1:27:08] do not oppose a building on this lot,
but I do oppose disregarding the input
[1:27:12] of neighbors and milking a lot for every
inch.
[1:27:15] » Thank you for your comments. We
appreciate you. Thank you.
[1:27:21] » Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?
[1:27:31] Good evening, mayor and commissioners.
My name is Jim Hunsburgger. I live at
[1:27:34] 508 East Academy Street. I'm a former
commissioner for the town of Fuway, as
[1:27:39] many of you know. Tonight, I am here
with the supporters of the historic
[1:27:42] fringe. In 1996, I was fortunate to be
part of a group of neighbors who worked
[1:27:48] to establish the first nationally
registered historic district in town
[1:27:52] known as the Fugway Springs Historic
District.
[1:27:56] Today I am fortunate to live in a
neighborhood we refer to as the historic
[1:27:59] fringe. Historic because our
neighborhood contains significant
[1:28:03] numbers of historic homes from the same
era as the properties in our nationally
[1:28:08] registered historic district. Fringe
because we border the historic district.
[1:28:13] Fugquway Springs historic district
contains 37 properties. Our historic
[1:28:17] Fringe neighborhood includes nearly 40
homes identified by the museums of Fuway
[1:28:22] Verina as historic properties.
properties that have been part of
[1:28:25] landmark home and garden tours over the
decades. The average age of homes in our
[1:28:30] neighborhood is 75 over 75 years. A fact
that highlights the historic
[1:28:36] significance not only to us as residents
but to our town as well. The history of
[1:28:42] 20th century architecture and our town
is well represented by the diversity of
[1:28:46] our homes. included our fine examples of
colonial revival, craftsman, bungalow,
[1:28:52] Cape Cod, mid-century modern, and the
ever practical ranch.
[1:28:57] This architectural variety is remarkable
and worthy of preservation. It is
[1:29:02] important to mention that ours is not
the only pocket of 20th century homes in
[1:29:06] Fugquway Verina. Others are located west
and east of downtown.
[1:29:11] A sense of place was created in our
neighborhood with traditional design,
[1:29:14] use of scale, consistent setbacks,
building heights, complimentary facads
[1:29:20] and fenestration elements with strong
entryways and visually pleasing side
[1:29:25] elevations. These venerable 20th century
architectural elements fit together to
[1:29:30] contribute to the authentic look and
feel that is very evident throughout our
[1:29:34] neighborhood.
There is harmony in the rhythm created
[1:29:38] by the relationship of home to
neighboring home, of home to lot, and of
[1:29:44] lot to streetscape. This neighborhood
authenticity took the better part of a
[1:29:48] century to establish in our
neighborhood. As proposed, this reszone
[1:29:53] request will will redefine not only the
look and feel of the neighborhood, but
[1:29:57] also the sense of place. The pleasing,
authentically historic rhythm will be
[1:30:02] lost. But this does not need to happen.
We can be the town that chooses to save
[1:30:06] this part of our heritage. We can look
to examples of other towns in North
[1:30:09] Carolina that have created character
preserving overlays to work with the
[1:30:14] land development ordinances and land use
plans to create protections and
[1:30:18] encourage enhancing infill development.
As such, we ask that you deny this
[1:30:22] resoning map amendment request. And I
thank you for your time. Thank you for
[1:30:26] your service as well.
>> Thank you so much.
[1:30:30] Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?
[1:30:34] Thank you.
>> Hi all.
[1:30:37] I'm very very nervous. I'm just going to
read.
[1:30:40] » Take your time.
>> My name is Audrey Weiss and my husband
[1:30:44] Will and I purchased 416 Raleigh Street
in October 2024. When we walked into our
[1:30:50] soontobe home, we knew immediately it
was what we wanted. After seeing the
[1:30:55] home, we drove slightly up the road to
find lunch, which we did at Vicious
[1:30:58] Fishes. We discussed the charm of the
house and the neighborhood, how we could
[1:31:03] walk to downtown for a meal or beverage
or to shop. We put in an offer and
[1:31:08] closed in a month. We named her Zelda
after F. Scott Fitzgerald's wife. She
[1:31:13] was, after all, a well-known woman of
the period time period that our home was
[1:31:18] built in. A gal who liked me loved to
entertain. Our home is the ideal home
[1:31:25] for entertaining. Ask my neighbors.
After we moved in, I joined the Fugway
[1:31:30] Verina Woman's Club and was put on two
committees. One being civic's
[1:31:34] engagement, the other was fundraising. I
have hosted the fundraising committee
[1:31:38] several times in our enormous kitchen.
Our home was one of the homes featured
[1:31:43] in the 2025 Fugquway Arena Women's Club
Holiday Home Tour. And at that time, I
[1:31:49] was given the history of our home for
the tour and am so proud to know that it
[1:31:53] holds a little piece of town history.
Bey Wright and her husband inherited the
[1:31:58] land from her father, Steven Fugquway.
And they built their home in 1920. I
[1:32:03] believe that makes our home the oldest
on the block. Our 106-year-old home with
[1:32:09] the charming yard and front porch that
hosts weekly Friday evening social hour,
[1:32:14] weather permitting. The front porch
where I call the neighbors walking down
[1:32:18] the street to come and sit a spell. The
front porch where I sit with our dog and
[1:32:22] read when there's a nice breeze. The
front porch that I won't be sitting in
[1:32:28] sitting on if the builder is allowed to
build these very tall, very deep homes
[1:32:32] with very little room between them and
incredibly shallow front yards right
[1:32:37] across the street from Zelda and the
cottages on either side of us. I moved
[1:32:42] to North Carolina from New York for the
military and fell in love with the small
[1:32:47] towns, the small town feel. These row
homes that the builder would like to
[1:32:51] build belong in a city like Queens, New
York, not on the fringe of the historic
[1:32:56] downtown of a quaint town like Fugquway
Arena. We ask that you vote against
[1:33:02] resoning.
>> Did you state your name again for Audrey
[1:33:05] Weiss?
>> Audrey White. Thank you. Appreciate it.
[1:33:08] Thank you.
[1:33:15] next. Oh, thank you.
>> Hi.
[1:33:18] » Good evening, Mayor uh and commissioners
and town management. My name is Lauri
[1:33:23] Chamberlain. I live at 404 Wade Street
and I am a supporter of the historic
[1:33:27] French.
Mayor Harris and commissioners, you guys
[1:33:30] have heard a lot tonight. You've heard
about neighborhood character, historic
[1:33:35] preservation, affordability,
pedestrian safety, traffic and parking,
[1:33:42] storm waters, flooding, and what can
happen when redevelopment occurs one
[1:33:47] property at a time without considering
the cumulative cumulative effect.
[1:33:53] Those all sound like separate issues,
but they're really not. They're all part
[1:33:57] of a larger question that we have
tonight. How does Fugway Verina grow
[1:34:02] without losing what makes Fugway Verina
Fugway Verina?
[1:34:08] We know that our town's future has a lot
of change and growth coming. And we
[1:34:12] believe that this gives us a great
opportunity, an opportunity for
[1:34:16] residents and elected leaders to work
side by side, welcoming that growth
[1:34:20] while preserving the character and sense
of place that make our town so very
[1:34:24] special. Our town um our town community
vision plan gives us a roadmap. It
[1:34:31] prioritizes preserv uh preserving the
character of stable neighborhoods. It
[1:34:36] says new homes should be compatible with
adjacent properties that scale and
[1:34:41] setback matter
and that we should be mindful of
[1:34:45] unintended consequences with
inappropriate infill. Those ideas were
[1:34:50] not accidentally put into the land use
plan and they aren't anti-growth.
[1:34:57] They are our shared vision of how we're
supposed to grow going forward. With
[1:35:02] that in mind, we have two asks. Our
first ask is to respectfully ask you to
[1:35:07] vote no on the resoning of 74 uh 417 and
419 Raleigh Street.
[1:35:12] We ask that redevelopment better reflect
the scale, character, and intent the
[1:35:17] community vision plan described for our
neighborhood.
[1:35:21] This decision is bigger than just these
two projects or these two lots. It's
[1:35:26] going to help shape the redevelopment in
the historic fringe going forward.
[1:35:31] Our second ask goes beyond this project.
We ask that the town establish an
[1:35:37] stakeholders advisory committee to work
with residents and planning staff and
[1:35:41] elected officials
to create a clearer framework for
[1:35:46] redevelopment in the historic fringe.
One that addresses the current TCR
[1:35:50] standards and develops an overlay
protection necessary to preserve the
[1:35:54] character and sense of place of our
neighborhood. Without this framework,
[1:35:59] we're just going to end up right back
here in a week or a month when the next
[1:36:03] project comes up. and we're going to
express the same concerns.
[1:36:07] We know that growth uh is coming and
will continue to come and we welcome
[1:36:13] thoughtful change and we welcome new
neighbors. We just want to make sure
[1:36:17] that whatever the new development is
that it makes sense and it belongs in
[1:36:22] the neighborhood that it's going to be
built in. We truly believe that
[1:36:26] residents and this board [music] can
accomplish that together.
[1:36:29] » Thank you. Thank you very much.
Appreciate your comments. Thank you.
[1:36:33] gonna have to be the end.
Does anyone else wish to speak in
[1:36:39] opposition to the zoning map amendment?
[1:36:49] If not,
the hearing is now closed. Closed,
[1:36:54] [clears throat]
excuse me. Any discussion by the board?
[1:37:04] first.
>> I'll go first. Sure. Commissioner
[1:37:08] Warren.
>> So, I think yeah, we we heard a lot of
[1:37:10] good comments uh tonight
and I think a lot of it touches on the
[1:37:15] dilemma we're facing here in Pway as
summed up by the last speaker Lori. Uh
[1:37:21] we are a very fast growing town and I
think you know the PCR zoning was meant
[1:37:27] to try and address that. Uh I was
looking at the numbers talking about the
[1:37:33] numbers last night. You know we're about
40,000 people now here in Pway Arena. Uh
[1:37:38] I believe in the next 10 years that's
expected to increase by about 50%.
[1:37:44] So somehow
we do have to address this and we do
[1:37:49] have to think about how we grow and we
do have to think about the location of
[1:37:52] this neighborhood. And so, you know,
I'll be honest, coming in tonight, I had
[1:37:57] no idea how I was going to vote on this.
And I really still have no idea how I
[1:38:01] was going to vote on this. So I,
you know, personally, I have a little
[1:38:06] bit more to learn and would like to take
some time to study this issue and maybe
[1:38:11] see how other towns in the area are are
approaching these issues. You know,
[1:38:18] we're we're going to grow. Um,
you can see on the on the maps that have
[1:38:24] been presented that this this is and I
believe Pam mentioned some numbers in
[1:38:29] terms of density. Sorry, Director
Davidson.
[1:38:33] So, I I think I wanted I would like to
see how other towns before we maybe
[1:38:39] approve this um
approach this
[1:38:44] because the neighborhood's going to
grow. We're we're going to we're going
[1:38:48] to change, but how do we tackle this
the scale and the timing, I think, is
[1:38:54] what I'm I'm trying to
um consider. So,
[1:39:01] I would probably be in favor of
tableabling the motion so I can get a
[1:39:04] chance to
think about it some more.
[1:39:10] » Is that a motion?
>> Comment. Commissioner Smith, then
[1:39:13] Commissioner,
>> I'd let them go first. I was just wonder
[1:39:15] if he had made a motion, but it's not.
It's not.
[1:39:17] » Okay. All right.
>> Commissioner Hayes, did you have a
[1:39:19] comment or question?
>> Yes, Mr. Mayor. Uh, just uh I guess a
[1:39:22] few few comments. Uh uh uh yeah, I've
thought about this um issue a lot. I've
[1:39:30] met with a lot of people. I've heard
that we don't meet with people and
[1:39:33] different things, but I've met with a
lot of people on this agenda, on this
[1:39:37] item. Um and people who I hold dearly as
friends and everything. So this is, you
[1:39:43] know, um and I share with them very
transparent thoughts on me, uh from my
[1:39:49] heart a lot of time. And I I explained
stuff and few things I had to understand
[1:39:52] was you know what what if if this
doesn't pass what what could Pine State
[1:39:58] build they can come back in and build
two duplexes if I'm correct it's no it's
[1:40:04] one duplex or two duplex can you help me
out Director
[1:40:08] » Davidson
>> so that the size of the lot would not
[1:40:12] support two duplexes the density would
be too high
[1:40:15] » okay
>> so what they could build is they could
[1:40:17] go into the lot of record and they could
build two homes, one on each lot, um,
[1:40:22] under the lot of record reduced setback.
So that would give them potentially
[1:40:26] they'd still have to meet the 30- foot
front setback, but 5t on the sides, 10
[1:40:30] feet on the rear with front-loaded
garages.
[1:40:32] » All right. Thank you so much. I just
Well, I wanted to get that out so we
[1:40:36] know where we at. Um, and um, you know,
I I share with a lot of people um,
[1:40:42] the the things that have happened with
TCR. Um and and if you go back in
[1:40:47] record, I I made a comment probably a
year and a half, two years ago that t
[1:40:52] that we would be dealing with this issue
all over town of FQ Arena. I I won't
[1:40:56] shout from this and it's it's on record
anyway. You know, the community I grew
[1:40:59] up in, the Lincoln Heights community has
dealt with TCR more than anybody. And I
[1:41:04] won't and I won't back down from that.
Um and this is a little bit different
[1:41:07] because we're going from two lives to
three lives. uh that has been said but
[1:41:11] also you have to understand that the
character of the Lincoln Heights
[1:41:14] community was totally different before
TCR happened and other things happened.
[1:41:20] We were a community of brick ranch home
ranch style homes for years. Uh there
[1:41:25] was a few few actually my grandfather
had the first town home complex in the
[1:41:30] Lincoln Heights community. So, I know
what it was when he tried to get that
[1:41:34] built. But also, you have to understand
that now we have houses that are
[1:41:37] towering over multiple residents beside
me's houses. Uh, we just dealt with one
[1:41:43] that we've been dealing with for about a
year that was going to tower over a
[1:41:46] neighbor's um property, too. So, you
know, I I tell people I have to be fair
[1:41:51] in this situation, too. I don't know
which way I'm gonna vote, and I'll be
[1:41:53] honest with you, I don't. But I also
have to understand that I have to be
[1:41:56] fair. As I state all the time, I
represent every town of F, every citizen
[1:42:00] town of FA Arena. Doesn't matter what
community you stay in, what community
[1:42:04] you don't stay in. And I have to be
honest about that. So, I was kind of
[1:42:07] torn with this one because I've seen the
effects of different houses being built.
[1:42:12] And I mean, I'm not saying Pine State is
building a home on the street behind me
[1:42:16] now. Uh, and and you know, um, that is a
two-story home. And we've had homes that
[1:42:21] are being built kind of like this and
have been built on Washington Street on
[1:42:24] the corner of Washington Street where
they are uh rear loading um uh row
[1:42:30] houses that are twotory that were not uh
historically built on that on in that on
[1:42:35] those properties. So um you know I I'm
in favor with the table. Um, I I do want
[1:42:39] to see what other municipalities around
us are, how they're dealing. And and I'm
[1:42:44] not saying that I'm not taking away the
historic fringe part of it either, but
[1:42:48] y'all have to understand that
historically in the Lake Heights
[1:42:50] community has a history, too. And I and
I and I won't back down from that as
[1:42:54] well. So, I'm taking all this in when
I'm listening to each and every one of
[1:42:58] you. So, I I'm in favor of the table as
well. But, I want to say that so you
[1:43:02] understand my heart in this situation as
well. Um, and that doesn't change
[1:43:06] without our I'll vote or anything else
like that. Um, but you know, I
[1:43:10] understand you what you're saying and I
understand the effects of hap have
[1:43:14] happened throughout the years and also
have to understand I have to be fair to
[1:43:17] all citizens of FQA.
Those are my comments. Mr. Mayor,
[1:43:21] » thank you for your comments.
Commissioner Smith, you had a comment.
[1:43:24] » Yes, sir. I I won't belabor it long. I
think um I think Commissioner Haynes
[1:43:30] covered a lot of the things I wanted to
say trying to look at this. Um I too
[1:43:36] have been to the community and met with
several of the folks live in the
[1:43:39] community. I've been out on my own just
riding, stopping, looking multiple
[1:43:44] times. Even stopped some poor fellow was
cutting his grass the other day, walked
[1:43:49] up in his yard so he'd cut off his
lawnmower and chatted with him about it.
[1:43:52] just trying to get a little bit more
information of how the community feels.
[1:43:56] But like Commissioner Haynes said, I do
have to look at what we've done in other
[1:44:00] communities. Uh what we have built and
allowed to be built. Have to look at
[1:44:04] what the land use plan actually says,
what what it states we would do and what
[1:44:09] we would support. And I too uh that's
why when you mentioned table I asked you
[1:44:14] if it was a motion like you and like
Commissioner Haynes I support a
[1:44:19] timelmited
um you know time for us to table it not
[1:44:24] not indefinitely um that we can get a
little bit more information maybe direct
[1:44:28] our staff to go and discuss with some of
our similar towns in our region how they
[1:44:34] are dealing with this same issue. get a
little bit of history history of what
[1:44:38] they're doing to help us make the right
decisions here. Um, obviously we're
[1:44:44] getting um good information. I think the
homes that this this builder builds are
[1:44:48] nice. Personally, I like the plan. I've
seen some nice rowouses in this general
[1:44:52] area, but at the same time, we're
hearing from folks who live right around
[1:44:56] this one who are opposed to it. And I
think it's important that we listen. So
[1:45:01] I I would like to also join it with the
course of saying let's put this off. I
[1:45:06] would say no more than a month, second
month and second meeting in September,
[1:45:10] something like that. But um I'll defer
to what Mayor Pro Tim or Commissioner
[1:45:16] Acock have to say as well.
>> Any other comments?
[1:45:21] » Um I'll make a few comments. Uh first of
all to the uh folks that have spoken in
[1:45:27] opposition, I just want to tell y'all um
thank you because I think y'all done a
[1:45:33] great job.
um you've uh I've had people call me and
[1:45:39] very respectful uh want to uh make sure
I understood the position of the
[1:45:46] neighborhood and um you know looked at
uh the board I think as a partner to try
[1:45:54] to come up with the best solution for
the neighborhood. So I appreciate that.
[1:45:59] Um
they also appreciate Pine State because
[1:46:04] they have done some really good uh built
some really nice assets in the town of
[1:46:10] Fugquway Verina. So um you know I I
appreciate what they do but you know we
[1:46:16] can't sometimes um you know that's what
makes our job tough. We get kind of in
[1:46:21] between two sides and hope we can come
up with the best solution. Um the TCR,
[1:46:28] we have done some really we we have
approved some TCRs that I think has
[1:46:33] resulted in some really nice stuff
around town, stuff that I personally am
[1:46:37] proud of that I think has made the town
a better place. Um, but it is a unique
[1:46:43] um, uh, zoning and a lot of the things
that I like about it is it allows uh,
[1:46:50] builders a lot of times to have more uh,
they can build a different it gives them
[1:46:54] more leeway, more product because they
can alter the setbacks in some cases and
[1:47:00] it gives them some u more leeway. But
when they've come in, they've always
[1:47:07] been able to say, uh, you know, give us
a presentation that made me feel like
[1:47:13] the final product was going to be better
than if they just used the existing
[1:47:18] zoning that was currently in place. Um
the Lincoln Heights neighborhood is one
[1:47:24] that we have struggled a lot with and a
lot of the lots in that neighborhood
[1:47:28] when they are originally platted were
platted 25 foot wide and so somebody
[1:47:36] that you know back then it was like
select a size people would buy three
[1:47:40] lots and and build their house on it.
Well a developer buys that house and
[1:47:45] tears it down and they've legally got
three lots and can build three little
[1:47:48] houses. And so we've used the TCR to try
to get a better product in that uh
[1:47:55] situation. And there are other examples
of that. Um in this neighborhood
[1:48:02] in general, the lots are not um the lots
are not platted at 25 foot wide. I think
[1:48:10] probably the smallest is about 50 foot
wide. and this proposal is pushing it
[1:48:16] down under 50 feet for most of these
lots. So, I'm trying to see um that the
[1:48:25] proposal is going to be something that
will be beneficial. And frankly with
[1:48:30] this crowd here and with what you all
have done or have with with u opposing
[1:48:36] it, it makes me say you know um it gives
me a great pause in wanting to approve
[1:48:43] it because you know what I hope is I
hope that the community and the builder
[1:48:48] could get together and say look under
the current zoning I can do this but you
[1:48:53] know try to come up with a compromise
everybody can uh feel good about. If
[1:48:57] that can't happen, then so be it. But
that would be my my my my my hope. Um I
[1:49:04] don't think we need to throw TCR out
with the bath water, baby out with the
[1:49:09] bath water. But I do think we need to um
um spend a lot of time just TCR as a
[1:49:17] whole on how we deal with it because
these neighborhoods around town are
[1:49:22] different. And if we put the same TCR on
everyone, it puts us in a difficult
[1:49:28] position trying to maneuver all the ins
and outs. And you know, the other thing
[1:49:32] is there's no sidewalk in front of this.
Some neighborhoods have sidewalks in the
[1:49:36] front of the house. It makes a
difference when you talk about
[1:49:38] walkability. This one has a sidewalk
beside it. Just all kinds of things like
[1:49:43] that. So, um, I am very conflicted on it
and I am not in a position to vote in
[1:49:52] favor of it tonight. So tableabling it
sounds uh like a very reasonable option.
[1:49:59] » Mr. Mayor, I also heard a few uh things,
you know, I I think, you know, we should
[1:50:04] take in consideration as a board. Um um
you know, one thing is, you know, we're
[1:50:09] still working on trying to find that
missing middle housing that we have here
[1:50:12] in town is still needed. And we all
understand that that, you know, as
[1:50:17] property taxes keep going up. It's it's
pricing a lot of senior citizens,
[1:50:20] different people out of homes. And now
for our new residents who are coming in
[1:50:23] who are just starting to buy their first
home. It's very hard for them to
[1:50:26] purchase homes and get mortgages. So
that is something we still need to
[1:50:30] address at some point in time as a board
and I think it needs to be start to kind
[1:50:35] of focus on that which is which is
easier said than done because if you
[1:50:39] talk to municipalities all around us
it's it's it's a hard thing to really
[1:50:42] try to figure out you know and it's not
something that we we really got to work
[1:50:45] on that but I think we do. Um, also, you
know, there are some things I've heard
[1:50:49] about the historic district, which I
feel like, uh, you know, long term, we
[1:50:53] need to kind of look at some more of the
historic district stuff on to where we
[1:50:56] can, uh, work to, uh, preserve some of
that historic district of downtown
[1:51:01] Fugway that was originally there. Uh, I
think we need to make sure that it is n
[1:51:06] I think it is nationally recognized or
through the state. I got to find out
[1:51:09] which if it's been state and and
nationally recognized as a historic
[1:51:13] district uh our down our historic part
of downtown
[1:51:17] » Fuway Springs.
>> Well Springs historic district
[1:51:20] » well isn't um almost Falcon Park and
everything in the it's not so it's just
[1:51:26] Fuway Springs
>> kind of near the spring the few blocks
[1:51:31] near the spring but not this is that's
why I think that's why they're calling
[1:51:34] it historic fringe because it's
>> close. Okay.
[1:51:39] Thank you.
>> Y you always got to look to the senior
[1:51:42] person who's been who's been living a
little bit longer than me. [laughter]
[1:51:45] » Thank you. Thank you.
>> Any other comments?
[1:51:50] » Yes, I may pro Tim Gardner.
>> I'm not going to criticize you for your
[1:51:53] [laughter] I'm not going to criticize
you for your youth and inexperience.
[1:52:00] [laughter]
>> Oh boy, what a great comeback.
[1:52:03] » I can use that.
>> Mayor, you can say that for me, too.
[1:52:08] » [laughter]
>> Um
[1:52:11] I I have some experience in these in a
lot of different areas with this area
[1:52:15] too. I mean with this part of town too.
Um I actually was u with my listing
[1:52:21] partner. We sold the property that was
now some of you are going to know where
[1:52:27] this was Donald Cotton's old house on
Inis Street and that house um had some
[1:52:33] serious and you know we we called it my
partner and I called it the little house
[1:52:38] that kept on taking
>> because uh it it we just kept finding
[1:52:42] problems that had to be addressed and it
it it needed to be torn down too. And I
[1:52:48] I understand um that the
uh p the the the builder that bought
[1:52:55] that lot was hoping to make to to have
three houses on that lot. Uh and the
[1:53:02] town approved two and um
I mean it wasn't as offensive to me as I
[1:53:09] thought it would be. I also lived in the
Fquway uh Springs Historic Residential
[1:53:15] District. for 12 and a half years until
family circumstances of a couple of
[1:53:21] deaths in my family including my late
husband. Um I I had to move to a smaller
[1:53:27] house because everybody was leaving me
in this in this old wonderful house and
[1:53:32] I I didn't want to leave. I didn't want
to leave because I I I know I love
[1:53:37] exactly the things you all were
describing and I lived that life for 12
[1:53:41] and a half years. So I I understand a
lot of what I'm hearing, but I heard
[1:53:45] lots of new things that I had not even
considered. And I had been going through
[1:53:49] these, you know, the things uh in our um
land development
[1:53:56] uh paperwork here and making notes and
you all brought you did such a beautiful
[1:54:01] job and you were so respectful
expressing your opinions and we thank
[1:54:05] you for for this presentation you did
tonight. You served your community well.
[1:54:11] Um, I am not ready to make a decision
tonight. In fact, I'd already c called
[1:54:15] and left the mayor a message earlier to
today that I thought if I didn't hear
[1:54:19] anything, I wanted to hear what was said
and presented tonight, but that I was re
[1:54:24] really feeling conflicted and thinking
we needed more time to consider this
[1:54:28] because it does represent more than just
this project. I do understand that and I
[1:54:35] I agree with everything these my my
other commissioners here have my fellow
[1:54:41] commissioners have said. Um and and I
think we need to take some time to think
[1:54:47] about this uh traditional
historic one of our oldest residential
[1:54:53] neighborhoods. And um the you know the
thing that we're always hearing other
[1:54:58] people say about this town when they
come is something about the charm. And I
[1:55:02] know that this community this this area
um adds to that to that impression of
[1:55:10] charm that people have when they come to
this town. And you expressed it
[1:55:14] beautifully tonight. But I think we do
need to to just find out what some other
[1:55:20] communities have how they've handled
these issues because North Carolina is
[1:55:24] growing fast all over and we we're not
alone in some of the issues we're
[1:55:28] facing. Thank you all for being here and
for um expressing your concerns and
[1:55:35] thank you Pine State for the beautiful
work that you have um done throughout
[1:55:41] our town. you you have you have have
built some quality products and we
[1:55:45] appreciate that. So, um I would like to
make a motion, mayor.
[1:55:49] » All right, you
>> um I move that we table consideration of
[1:55:56] um the re-2026-11
[1:56:01] uh zoning map amendment to to the second
meeting in September. Is that adequate
[1:56:08] to say it that way, James? attorney
>> sec second meeting in September. The
[1:56:14] date
>> September 22nd.
[1:56:17] » September 22nd.
>> Yes, sir.
[1:56:20] » Okay, that would be the second meeting.
>> Yes, sir.
[1:56:22] » I'll I'll second that motion.
>> Uh, all right. We have a motion on the
[1:56:26] floor that we uh table 202611
to be heard again September 22nd, 2026.
[1:56:38] Mr. Town Manager, you have a comment.
Does that motion include any direction
[1:56:41] for management and staff to do anything
between that time?
[1:56:46] » Can I amend that and add that to it?
>> With the request of management staff
[1:56:50] research similarsized towns in our
region as to residential redevelopment
[1:56:55] and residential infield development uh
in areas located near the downtown areas
[1:57:00] of those communities. Would that
suffice, Mr. Manager?
[1:57:04] » Second. That
>> Okay. Okay. Well, we what we just heard
[1:57:06] then a motion and amendment to the
motion. You second the amendment.
[1:57:11] » Second the amendment. Yes.
>> All right. All those in favor of the
[1:57:13] amendment to the original motion, let it
be known by saying I.
[1:57:16] » I.
>> Any oppose?
[1:57:19] » Eyes have it. The original motion dies.
Thank you. Thank you so much. So, you
[1:57:23] have clear direction.
>> Mr. Mayor, I think we need to approve
[1:57:27] the amended motion, right?
>> We approve the We voted to approve the
[1:57:32] amended motion. I think
>> I just added amendment to her motion.
[1:57:35] » I think you voted for the amendment.
>> The the amended motion
[1:57:39] » further clarified directions for the
staff. Correct.
[1:57:43] » So now we need to vote on the motion now
that it's been amended.
[1:57:46] » That's right.
>> The amended. All right. We go we go back
[1:57:49] to the main motion.
>> Now the Now the motion is amended. So we
[1:57:52] just get a second and a vote.
>> Uh Commissioner Warren, you didn't
[1:57:56] second that amendment.
>> I So I second amendment. We approved the
[1:58:00] motion and um I think we now have to
approve the
[1:58:03] » amended motion
>> as amended. [laughter]
[1:58:05] » Okay. All right. Sorry.
Now, do I hear a motion to approve the
[1:58:11] amended motion?
>> I
[1:58:14] » can I do it since I did the other
motion?
[1:58:16] » No.
>> No. Somebody else should.
[1:58:19] » So moved.
>> All right. So moved. All those in favor
[1:58:22] let it be known by saying I.
>> I. Any oppose?
[1:58:25] » Did we have to second that?
>> I have it. Yes. All right. Are we clear?
[1:58:29] » I I am I am clear. Yes, [laughter]
[1:58:34] » Mr. Mayor. I guess before a lot of the
uh citizens in that uh in that area
[1:58:39] leave, you know, you know, just thinking
as we're sitting here thinking uh you
[1:58:43] know uh we still want to hear your
comments on how, you know, you want to
[1:58:46] shape, you know, uh your area of the
community. I think that's also another
[1:58:50] thing that we can can be raised is
oftent times we struggle with trying to
[1:58:54] link our our two downtowns together. And
you know, if you use two of those roads
[1:58:59] in that community, you can link Fugway
to Verina on a more safer route at
[1:59:04] times. So, you know, there's a lot of
opportunities we can look at long term
[1:59:08] or where we can kind of link those roads
and we can take from the Fugquway
[1:59:11] downtown in a different route compared
to going straight down Main Street at a
[1:59:16] safer walking uh having safer walking
paths and different things would take us
[1:59:19] to the verena side uh right up uh in
street. So, you know, those are some
[1:59:24] things, you know, just throwing out
there for the citizens to give us some
[1:59:27] feedback on long term and where we can
kind of work on some different things.
[1:59:31] Thank you'all for being here.
>> Any other comments? Okay. All right.
[1:59:36] Thank Thank you all. We're going to move
now on to item
[1:59:41] 7D. Continuing with public hearings, the
zoning map amendment and land use plan
[1:59:47] amendment. Samson Blaten Oil Company.
uh 2201 2205 and a portion of 2221
[1:59:55] Pinery Grove Wilburn Road RAZ 202612.
Thank you all so much for coming. We
[2:00:03] appreciate it so much.
Planning Director Davidson.
[2:00:08] » Thank you. I'm submitting the agenda
abstract and supporting documents into
[2:00:11] the official records of the town.
The purpose of this agenda item is to
[2:00:16] consider a requested zoning map
amendment for a total of 4.591 acres
[2:00:20] located at 22012205
in a portion of 2221
[2:00:25] Piny Grove Won Road from the
neighborhood commercial and residential
[2:00:29] agricultural zoning districts to the
general commercial conditional zoning
[2:00:33] district and corresponding land use plan
amendment from the neighborhood
[2:00:36] commercial classification to the
suburban commercial classification.
[2:00:41] The property currently contains an
existing convenience store and is the
[2:00:45] proposed location of Handy Hugo's gas
station, which is currently under site
[2:00:49] plan review. Recent amendments to the
land development ordinance redefined
[2:00:53] convenience stores with gas pumps to gas
stations, which are now only allowed in
[2:00:58] the corridor, commercial, and general
commercial zoning districts. This
[2:01:02] resoning request and proposed land use
plan amendment will serve to better
[2:01:05] align the current and future use of the
property with the land development
[2:01:08] ordinance. Although the requested zoning
map amendment is not consistent with the
[2:01:13] 2040 community vision land use plan, the
petitioner has also submitted a request
[2:01:17] to amend the land use designation to
suburban commercial which supports the
[2:01:21] land use plans policies 2.6 to encourage
commercial development
[2:01:26] and 4.1 to manage future growth and
development in accordance with priority
[2:01:30] investment areas map. This resoning was
subject to the town's new traffic impact
[2:01:35] standards and the development will be
designed in accordance with the NC DOT
[2:01:40] TIA review recommendations including
internal protected stem lengths, storage
[2:01:46] lanes, and lane ninja improvements. On
July 20th, 2026, the planning board
[2:01:51] unanimously recommended approval. The
suggested motion tonight is to approve
[2:01:56] rec 202612, a zoning map amendment for
22012205
[2:02:02] and a portion of 2221 Piney Grove Won
Road from the neighborhood commercial
[2:02:07] and residential agricultural zoning
districts to the general commercial
[2:02:10] conditional zoning district and
corresponding land use amendment from
[2:02:14] the neighborhood commercial
classification to the suburban
[2:02:18] commercial classification as it is
reasonable and in the best interest of
[2:02:22] the public. for the reasons identified
by management and staff. I'm available
[2:02:26] if you have any questions.
>> Thank you.
[2:02:30] » The hearing is now open.
>> Does anyone wish to speak in favor of
[2:02:35] the zoning map amendment and land use
plan amendment?
[2:02:41] » Mayor, good evening again. John Adcock
Law Firm at 202 East Academy Street. I'm
[2:02:46] here on behalf of the owner and the
applicant. Um, the purpose of this
[2:02:49] zoning map amendment is to redevelop
what's an existing convenience store
[2:02:52] that's been there since the 1950s, one
that I grew up going to and still do.
[2:02:57] Um, it's very limited in what type of
services it can provide. Um, the uh the
[2:03:02] this will be a modern uh convenience
store with that also has retail gasoline
[2:03:07] sales. Um, there was a question brought
to the planning board about the size of
[2:03:10] the property. Part of the reason the
property is the size that it is because
[2:03:14] this project will be supp um serviced by
a a private septic system. Um so in
[2:03:20] order to do that there will need to be a
area for the septic system and a repair
[2:03:24] field. So when you look at the acreage
on this project uh it it's not
[2:03:28] indicative of how big of a project this
is going to be. A lot of it's associated
[2:03:32] with the septic field. Um also I'll
speak briefly to the transportation
[2:03:36] improvements. Um as you know that's my
that's my uh neighborhood out there. uh
[2:03:40] that intersection needs uh a lot of help
and this project is going to bring that
[2:03:45] together with what was just passed in
the state's budget uh money dedicated to
[2:03:50] adding turn lanes to that intersection.
So that intersection is going to see
[2:03:53] significant improvements in the near
future partly because of this project
[2:03:56] and partly because of the state budget.
So we asked that it be approved and I'm
[2:04:00] here to ask answer any questions if you
have any.
[2:04:02] » Thank you. Thank you so much. We
appreciate it.
[2:04:10] Any further
[2:04:14] interest in speaking in favor of the
zoning map amendment and land use plan
[2:04:18] amendment?
All right. Does anyone wish to speak in
[2:04:22] opposition to the zoning map amendment
and land use plan amendment?
[2:04:29] Okay. The hearing is now closed. Any
discussion by the board?
[2:04:34] » Mor.
>> What is the pleasure of the board? Mr.
[2:04:37] Mayor, I'm uh I mean, honestly, I'm
excited to hear that we're g it's going
[2:04:40] to be some gas pumps put out there if
there's been plenty of times I went to
[2:04:44] church right down the street and I was
running low on gas and had to pray all
[2:04:47] the way back to Sheets or somewhere else
to get back. So, uh to be able to run
[2:04:51] right there and that was when as a
little kid we used to always go to that
[2:04:54] corner store and get our candy after
church. So, it's just exciting to see
[2:04:58] we're going we going to get some gas
pumps out there so I get a little gas.
[2:05:01] So, I'm excited about it. So, uh Mr.
Mayor, if there is no other comments,
[2:05:04] I'll make a motion. Say so move.
>> Second.
[2:05:07] » Second.
>> Although I'm excited to have Downtown
[2:05:11] Wilin incorporated into the amendments.
[laughter]
[2:05:15] » Thank you.
>> I just want to
[2:05:20] I just want to thank John Eco real quick
for sitting sitting here and presenting.
[2:05:23] Um, you know, I had kind of meant to
suggest that we shift the order of these
[2:05:28] public hearings so that he could
[laughter]
[2:05:31] so he maybe could have gotten out here a
little sooner, but so thank you for
[2:05:34] being here.
>> Any other comment?
[2:05:39] All right, the motion has been made and
properly second. All those in favor of
[2:05:44] the motion, let it know by saying I.
>> I.
[2:05:47] » Any opposed? Eyes have it. Motion
carries. Thank you so much.
[2:05:53] Item 7E,
zoning
[2:05:57] zoning map amendment,
M MI mi Homes of Raleigh LLC,
[2:06:03] uh 06921 and a portion of 6823 Sunset
Lake Road, Rez 202518.
[2:06:11] More information about this agenda item
will be presented by planning director
[2:06:14] Davidson. It's my last one tonight. So,
I'm submitting the agenda abstract and
[2:06:19] supporting documents into the official
record of the town.
[2:06:23] » The purpose of this agenda item is to
consider a requested zoning map
[2:06:26] amendment for a total of 27.63 acres
located at 0 6921 in a portion of 6823
[2:06:35] Sunset Lake Road from the residential
medium density conditional zoning
[2:06:38] district to the planned unit development
zoning district. Um there is a pond on
[2:06:45] the property um that is scheduled for
drainage. This pond is classified as a
[2:06:49] high hazard dam and has received a
violation notice from the North Carolina
[2:06:53] State Dam Safety Program. It's actually
located approximately 15 feet above the
[2:06:57] adjacent Ballentine Dairy Road. It's
overgrown with large trees, so it's been
[2:07:02] determined to be problematic.
The properties are currently zoned
[2:07:06] residential medium density conditional
zoning district as part of re207
[2:07:11] from 2007. The properties were reszoned
with the condition that they develop as
[2:07:16] an open space subdivision. Since the
property was not developed and open
[2:07:20] space subdivision is no longer
development option, the petitioner has
[2:07:23] opted to reszone to planned unit
development, the town's current
[2:07:27] equivalent of an open space center
development.
[2:07:31] The requested zoning is consistent with
the 2040 comprehensive land use plan.
[2:07:35] The master plan and narrative included
with the request ensure that the future
[2:07:39] uses fit into the development context
and demonstrate compliance with the
[2:07:44] zoning conditions. Um and they offered
many many of those zoning conditions
[2:07:49] additionally meet the goals of the 2040
land use plan. On July 20th, 2026, the
[2:07:54] planning board unanimously recommended
approval. The suggested motion tonight
[2:07:58] is to approve REZ 202518, a zoning map
amendment for 06921
[2:08:04] and a portion of 6823 Sunset Lake Road
from the residential medium density
[2:08:10] conditional zoning district to the
planned unit development zoning district
[2:08:13] at is it is reasonable and in the best
interest for the public of the public
[2:08:18] for the reasons identified by management
and staff.
[2:08:21] » Thank you so much. M
>> M Mr. Mayor, just a point of order if I
[2:08:25] think we might still have an open motion
on the floor from the last item. I don't
[2:08:30] we we seconded it, but do we
>> vote on it?
[2:08:42] » Okay. Yeah. Yeah, there was a motion
second, but I I don't recall.
[2:08:47] » We
did. Okay. My apologies.
[2:08:52] Yeah, he said all in favor.
>> Okay.
[2:08:57] » We're going to take a break in about
five minutes [laughter]
[2:09:01] » after we get through this.
[2:09:06] » Does any Thank you, ma'am.
>> I've got some questions.
[2:09:08] » Uh, does anyone wish to speak in favor
of the zoning map amendment?
[2:09:12] » Can I ask some questions?
>> Oh, you have a question director.
[2:09:16] » I'm sorry. Sure. Sure. Commissioner,
[2:09:21] » um, can you tell me about the historic
district and how this
[2:09:28] » Yes.
>> plays into that?
[2:09:30] » It doesn't really. Historic districts
are voluntary. Valentine Farms is also
[2:09:34] in the historic district and it's a
subdivision. So,
[2:09:39] » um,
>> unfortunately or fortunately, um,
[2:09:44] they're voluntary and so they really
don't have a lot of weight or or
[2:09:48] bearing. There's no, um, standards or
restrictions applied. So, um,
[2:09:57] when the town was planning on the
basically the bypass road that's going
[2:10:04] to go from Five Points
>> and then fly over 401 and cross Sunset
[2:10:10] Lake and then
>> 5751,
[2:10:12] » it was Yes. Now,
[2:10:17] the original plan was to it was going to
take out some houses
[2:10:24] » because
you had to move it just enough to avoid
[2:10:30] the um historic district
>> and CDOT put a higher priority on that
[2:10:35] historic district than I think may have
been warranted due to the fact that it
[2:10:40] is voluntary in nature.
So, I guess my heartburn is with it is,
[2:10:49] you know, they've put a it's on a
national register of historic places,
[2:10:54] which ties the town's hands apparently
when we're trying to improve the
[2:11:02] community with roads.
[snorts] But when it's time to for them
[2:11:08] to sell it, we have no um
authority to do anything that we might
[2:11:16] not do on any other property.
>> My understanding is this historic
[2:11:20] designation is voluntary.
So, even if they're contributing uh
[2:11:26] buildings on the property for the
National Historic District, we don't ask
[2:11:30] uh historic
uh commission or any kind of we we
[2:11:35] wouldn't ask for feedback on something
like this.
[2:11:38] » So, we can definitely ask that. So, it
to my knowledge there are no historic
[2:11:42] buildings that have been determined on
this. For example, a village of Lake
[2:11:46] Wheeler had a historic house, right? um
that Shipo did get involved in. Um and
[2:11:51] in the end, they did end up renovating
that house and creating its own separate
[2:11:55] lot and such. So um if there are
historic buildings designated, we will
[2:11:59] definitely work with Capital Area
Preservation and the State Historic
[2:12:04] Office of Preservation um to identify
that and and preserve it.
[2:12:08] » We do that first.
To my knowledge, the the property
[2:12:14] developer is here and he can probably
speak better to any existing structures,
[2:12:17] but to my knowledge, there are no
existing structures on this portion of
[2:12:21] the property. Being that this is the
southern side of the horse farm. So, the
[2:12:26] majority of of existing structures are
on the northern portion that is not
[2:12:31] included in this development at this
time.
[2:12:35] » Well, the you know, Carolyn Elliot lived
in a in a house that I think was a old
[2:12:44] Valentine
home. Um,
[2:12:50] Ly Ballentine was the
[2:12:55] he was the commissioner of agriculture
for a long time in the state and it was
[2:13:01] his dairy
and the milking house was where this
[2:13:08] subdivision is being planned.
Um,
[2:13:12] » is that what they call the crearyy?
Because they've offered the crearyy to
[2:13:15] the museums. I don't know. I don't know.
I know. I went there when I was a kid
[2:13:20] and watched them um milk cows and I dug
worms out of the manure and fished in
[2:13:28] the pond. Um so I'm fairly familiar with
it. I just get a little heartburn when
[2:13:34] people
make their property national register
[2:13:39] historic places and
um
[2:13:43] then one day it's like they want to
forget they did that.
[2:13:50] So, I I just would like to make sure
that the historic preservation folks
[2:13:57] um at least look at it and give some
feedback to us,
[2:14:01] » right? We can definitely ask those
questions. Um, I just pulled up the the
[2:14:05] preliminary subdivision plans have
already been staff reviewed. And so
[2:14:08] there there are a couple of existing
brick and concrete foundations that are
[2:14:11] noticed to be removed and there are a
couple existing buildings to be
[2:14:15] demolished and removed. So again, the
the developer may be able to speak to
[2:14:18] their context and we can definitely
check with um Cabillary Preservation and
[2:14:23] just make sure that there's there's
nothing on their radar.
[2:14:25] » Okay.
Any other questions of of Director
[2:14:32] Davidson?
All right.
[2:14:37] The the hearing is now open. Does anyone
wish to speak in favor of the zoning map
[2:14:41] amendment?
[2:14:45] Good evening.
>> Good evening, U Mayor Harris and Mayor
[2:14:50] Proten Gardner. Thank you uh for hearing
us today. Um, thank you to Pam and uh
[2:14:56] all of the staff that did a great job
helping us coordinating this project. It
[2:15:00] took um not not more than other
municipalities which is great but um
[2:15:05] coordinating with them has been a
pleasure and I just want to give a a
[2:15:08] quick shout out to them. Um I do want to
touch on some of the historic questions
[2:15:11] that you had uh Commissioner Adcock just
prior to get to that I just want to give
[2:15:16] a quick background on MI. Um MI is no
stranger to FE wave Arena. Um we have
[2:15:21] presence in town with another project
called Kohley Preserve that's underway
[2:15:24] right now. Um that's a 61 acre 153 lot
subdivision that's nearing its
[2:15:29] completion. But what's in front of you
today takes a far less dense approach.
[2:15:34] Um after taking a lot of careful
consideration um with the surrounding
[2:15:38] areas and the historical nature of this
region um and in addition to staff's
[2:15:44] input, the proposed lots vary from 8,000
10,000 square feet with uh quality homes
[2:15:50] designed to provide more of a
traditional farmhouse feel. Uh the
[2:15:54] neighborhood itself will be craft
crafted to reflect a horse farm theme
[2:15:58] reflecting the existing horse barn and
its longstanding use. We'll be
[2:16:03] incorporating [clears throat] a covered
pavilion and will overlook the proposed
[2:16:07] SCM with additional program for family
activities. We did hold a neighborhood
[2:16:12] meeting with our neighbors to discuss
the project and we're grateful for their
[2:16:15] participation and cooperation. We have
had no objection to this project from
[2:16:19] existing residents. We hosted additional
meetings to particularly discuss the
[2:16:22] draining of the existing pond which the
neighbors understood that it is
[2:16:26] necessary. I personally investigated the
pond and spent a lot of times and
[2:16:30] resources trying to find and figure out
how we could keep this pond because it
[2:16:34] really is it's a beautiful pond uh when
you go out there. However, the elevation
[2:16:38] of the dam no matter what we do to
rehabilitate that dam stands so high
[2:16:42] above Balentine Dair Road that it it is
uh posing danger to existing residents
[2:16:48] and future residents. Um, it is
important to note that we will not be
[2:16:52] picking up additional lots as a result
of draining this pond. We are not
[2:16:55] draining this pond for profit or for
gaining lots. We're doing it for the
[2:16:59] safety of their our proposed and
existing residents.
[2:17:02] Um, we're also making additional
commitments to best screen our neighbors
[2:17:06] and to make sure that we're welcoming
um, and we're coming in with the right
[2:17:10] mentality and the right attitude um, to
be good neighbors to everybody. And to
[2:17:14] conclude, [clears throat] uh,
Commissioner Adcock, we did submit, um,
[2:17:19] a formal report to Shipo on those
existing structures. Shipo came back and
[2:17:24] reported that.
>> What's Shipo?
[2:17:26] » Uh, it's the historical the National
Historical Preservation. I forget the
[2:17:31] actual terminology for it. I wish I
could reference that, but it we whenever
[2:17:36] we do do our due diligence of a of a
project, we always submit, we [snorts]
[2:17:40] do our phase one studies, we do
everything to make sure that everything
[2:17:43] that we're proposing and we may be
tearing apart on site is is in
[2:17:47] accordance to uh everything every
national regulation and shipo had
[2:17:51] reported back that they have no interest
in any historical features on this site.
[2:17:55] However, we have understood that there
is I'm sorry I'm just answering Mr. feel
[2:18:02] free to answer the question. Yes,
>> we would like to still coordinate with
[2:18:06] the town's whatever historic
organization in town and allow them to
[2:18:10] come and visit. Um I cannot we pro we
will not be able to keep the actual full
[2:18:16] structure, but what we would love to do
is donate any historical pieces that may
[2:18:20] be found in that barn for any kind of
preservation that the town would like to
[2:18:23] keep. Um, and to sum that up, you know,
we've been fortunate to work to uh to
[2:18:28] work with a brilliant team of town staff
and to mold this project in the best
[2:18:32] case of uh that we believe is the best
case use for this land. And you know,
[2:18:37] thank you for your time and ask you for
your approval today.
[2:18:39] » Thank you.
>> Does has the town received that um
[2:18:43] response from
>> Yeah. Well, um I'm not sure that that's
[2:18:47] a formal, but I'd be happy to provide
that to Pam and and all of our staff.
[2:18:51] Yeah, absolutely. Um the uh
this is just this is me. Um well, I kind
[2:18:59] of gave you some background. I'm sitting
here thinking, you know, we we were
[2:19:03] going to we were going to take out
people's houses to save a sliver of a
[2:19:09] field on the on the uh south end of this
historic district, which blew my mind.
[2:19:16] But here it's like, well, there's
nothing there and it doesn't matter. And
[2:19:21] so, you know, you get
it. It's like u whatever suits
[2:19:27] » sure
>> the for the day. But to me, one of the
[2:19:31] the the north side of or the north side
of Terrible Creek that what made that
[2:19:40] unique was that it was a dairy,
not that it was a horse farm.
[2:19:45] » Sure. The horse farm really became what
it was in my mind after the dairy
[2:19:52] disappeared in the 80s. But the dairy is
really what made it I think historic
[2:19:59] that northern part the north of Terrible
Creek. um and where this was um in my
[2:20:07] memory that's where the cows were mil.
People around here talk about um one of
[2:20:13] the unique things in Fugquway Verina in
you know prior to the mid 80s was when
[2:20:21] you went down Sunset Lake Road twice a
day the cows crossed the street and they
[2:20:28] the Ballentine subdivision
is was the big field where the cows kind
[2:20:34] of spent most of their time. But they
would walk them across the street and go
[2:20:38] here and milk them twice a day. And so
you'd have to sit there and wait for the
[2:20:43] cows to cross the street.
>> Sure.
[2:20:46] » Um which anybody driving up in down
Sunset Lake Road today, that's kind of
[2:20:51] hard to believe, but that's the way it
was. And the person that started that um
[2:20:56] that uh dairy was in North Carolina
history a pretty pretty um significant
[2:21:03] person I think because he was the
agriculture commissioner for many years
[2:21:09] before Jim Graham became agriculture
commissioner. So to me, um, if there's
[2:21:16] really nothing there to preserve,
um, I mean, this is just this is just my
[2:21:22] opinion. I would like to see some nod to
the dairy, but that's just me. Um, as
[2:21:30] far as the development goes, um, you
know, some something to to um, make note
[2:21:36] of that. But I would love for you to
meet with uh some of the uh museums
[2:21:42] folks just to make sure there's nothing
that we're missing here.
[2:21:48] » And and uh Commissioner, we we certainly
planned on doing that. Like I said
[2:21:52] before, we we want to be good residents
of Fwave Arena. We have every intention
[2:21:56] of of trying to preserve any historical
features that may be on this site. Mhm.
[2:22:00] » Um, from my understanding, the more
historical features are on the northern
[2:22:04] parcel on Miss Caroline Elliot's
property. Um,
[2:22:09] » and she has more of the longstanding
farmhouse and she has some more. She's
[2:22:15] actually invested in that. I'm not too
familiar with
[2:22:17] » her house is not on this on this what
we're looking at.
[2:22:20] » No, she she is a part seller of this
property. She's selling us essentially
[2:22:25] the top left corner of what you see
here, but it's not
[2:22:28] » uh her property. What she's selling us
is just barren land. Um what whatever
[2:22:33] historical features that you would see
on here would be on the bottom right um
[2:22:37] part of the property here. And like I
said, we we we my team internally, we've
[2:22:42] been investigating to see how we can
coordinate with historical organizations
[2:22:46] to see.
>> I appreciate what you do. I don't have
[2:22:48] any problem with residential
development. I like it.
[2:22:51] » But especially when you've got a spot
that's in a national historic register.
[2:22:57] I just want to make sure
>> we're not overlooking something that we
[2:23:01] would regret. The other thing is um that
dairy story is a good story. It's a good
[2:23:07] thing. [laughter] It's a good thing for
people talk about Fugquway Vina as being
[2:23:13] unique
>> and there's a lot of things that make
[2:23:15] Fugquway Vina unique, but in my mind,
one of the things that makes it unique
[2:23:19] is the history of that dairy. Um, and so
I would like to have some nod to it one
[2:23:25] way or the other. Um,
>> well, you can you can take it from me,
[2:23:29] um, that we're happy we're it's my
pleasure to meet with, uh, any
[2:23:34] historical pre preservation group in
Fugquway that would be willing to come
[2:23:37] out. I'll meet them on site as well and
we can talk through whatever. I, like I
[2:23:41] said, I can't keep the actual farmhouse.
Uh, but I'm happy to donate it all if
[2:23:47] they want to take some of that to a
museum. We'd love to dedicate maybe a
[2:23:51] plaque or some kind of historical
feature along the property to to do that
[2:23:55] and um it would be my pleasure.
>> What is the proposed name of the of the
[2:24:01] subdivision?
>> Uh right now it's it's we've called it a
[2:24:06] couple things. Galloway Crossing, Sunset
Lake. Um my marketing team is eventually
[2:24:11] going to have the final say. Uh but
>> you think y'all would be open to
[2:24:15] something that nods to the dairy?
>> Yeah, sure. So, just just so you know,
[2:24:22] the the current um use of or the the
historical use of this particular piece
[2:24:27] of property was a horse farm. Okay.
>> And so we have actually made a
[2:24:32] commitment if you look through the
commitments, we are going to be making
[2:24:35] » the milking barn was not on this
property. I I personally am not totally
[2:24:40] sure. It's the every historical research
that we've gathered is that this was a
[2:24:44] horse barn in a horse pasture. And so we
have in our commitments we are
[2:24:49] dedicating um if you look through I'm
sorry I can pull it up the last one just
[2:24:55] to be clear. I'm reading this right. Um
monumentation at the entrance will
[2:25:00] emphasize a horse theme accent fencing
at the entry and common areas will
[2:25:05] include split rail fencing and brick
columns. So even our entry monuments
[2:25:08] » do you know why this property was put on
the national because I'm I'm not sure I
[2:25:13] know why this little piece here not
little but this triangle here. Why was
[2:25:18] it on the national register of historic
place?
[2:25:21] » That's a great question. Uh this
property has a long long long history.
[2:25:24] It could have been anybody. Um my
understanding is it's likely because of
[2:25:29] it the historic the barn that was there
if you do visit it there there is an
[2:25:33] asphalt and you can see the barn and you
can see where where that used to be and
[2:25:36] that could possibly be it. But as of
right now that barn is pretty much in
[2:25:40] ruins.
>> Okay. It's probably answer any
[2:25:43] questions.
>> It's probably been 40 years since
[2:25:45] » Yeah.
>> any dairy activity happened out there.
[2:25:49] » Yeah. But I'm happy to answer any
further questions. I'll be around.
[2:25:53] » Thank you very much. We appreciate your
taking time to answer the questions.
[2:25:58] Does anyone else wish to speak in favor
of the zoning map amendment?
[2:26:05] Does anyone wish to speak in opposition
to the zoning map amendment?
[2:26:16] » Good evening.
>> Thanks. I'm Wendy Douglas. Um, I was
[2:26:20] here a couple of weeks ago to talk to
you about my concern about um, housing
[2:26:25] for the missing middle. And um, this
particular reasoning does include the
[2:26:30] language that says you there's no vinyl
siding permitted and there are other uh,
[2:26:36] types of uh, wording that would preclude
building for that missing middle. And so
[2:26:42] while I'm not opposed to the development
of this property, I am opposed to that
[2:26:47] language that would make it unavailable
to the missing middle. Thank you for
[2:26:52] your consideration.
>> Thank you.
[2:27:01] » Does anyone else wish to speak in
opposition to the zoning map amendment?
[2:27:10] If not, the hearing is now closed. Any
further discussion or questions by the
[2:27:15] board?
[2:27:20] Mr. Mayor, um
I'd be in favor of tableabling this, not
[2:27:26] because I have any um issue with the
plot as presented to us, but I would
[2:27:33] just like to make sure we are covering
all our bases and I would like for the
[2:27:38] um museums and historic folks to make
sure that we're not um missing anything
[2:27:46] here. um that
>> we may not be and and I'm I'm fine to
[2:27:52] move forward with it. I just don't want
to make a mistake.
[2:27:56] » You Mr. Mayor, I I appreciate that
because I mean with these historic
[2:28:00] things sometimes we only we only get one
chance and it's gone. So um I I I think
[2:28:06] that would be good to because I this
that some of this discussion has been
[2:28:11] covered at our museum board meetings. So
I think
[2:28:16] I think with our relationship with the
museum that would it would be a good
[2:28:20] thing for us to just be sure.
>> Great idea. What is your pleasure?
[2:28:25] » Make a motion to uh table
the uh zoning map amendment re 2025-18
[2:28:34] MI homes of Raleigh um 0 6921 and a
portion of 6823 Sunset Lake Road uh in
[2:28:43] the pins as stated. Uh I suggest that we
um table this until our second meeting
[2:28:49] in September.
>> Okay.
[2:28:52] » And the purpose of this is to have the
Fugquway Vina Museums give feedback on
[2:28:58] this project.
>> You've heard the motion. Is there a
[2:29:01] second?
>> Second.
[2:29:05] » All those if there's any other
discussion, but what's the time?
[2:29:10] » Second meeting in September.
All right.
[2:29:16] Although all those in favor of the
motion, let it be known by saying I.
[2:29:20] » I.
>> I.
[2:29:21] » Any oppose? Motion carries. Thank you.
[2:29:30] The next item is item eight, the consent
agenda. What is the board's pleasure on
[2:29:36] the items on the consent agenda?
>> Mayor, I move to approve the consent
[2:29:41] agenda.
items. Yeah,
[2:29:45] » it's been moved and second that we
approve
[2:29:50] the items on the consent agenda. Did you
intend to all
[2:29:54] » itemize them, but I don't think that's
necessary.
[2:30:00] » You all right? Restate your motion.
>> All right. Um, if you don't mind, mayor,
[2:30:07] I move to approve item 8 A, 8 B, 8 C,
and 8 D on the consent agenda.
[2:30:12] Okay. All right. Then we have the
second.
[2:30:14] » Yes, sir.
>> All those in favor of the motion, let it
[2:30:16] be known by saying I. I.
>> Any opposed? The eyes have it.
[2:30:25] We have
[2:30:29] Okay, we're moving right along here.
Hopefully. I was going to
[2:30:38] Okay,
so we can knock this out. Item 10 A,
[2:30:46] public service center phase two,
guaranteed maximum price amendment
[2:30:53] 20,145,89.
[2:30:57] Edifice general contractors project
ordinance amendment PA2703
[2:31:03] and budget amendment BA2702.
More information about this agenda item
[2:31:08] will be presented by public works
director Stevenson. Hello. How you
[2:31:12] doing?
>> Good evening. Thank you mayor and
[2:31:13] commissioners. Uh we are submitting this
agenda item into the record of the town.
[2:31:18] Um as you all are well aware we've been
planning for uh phase two improvements
[2:31:24] to the public service center. So, we
have um we're bringing to you tonight an
[2:31:29] agenda item that uh amends the
guaranteed maximum price agreement that
[2:31:32] we did with Edifice general contractors
um back u last year. Uh it, as you know,
[2:31:40] the public service center is a critical
operational center. It houses our public
[2:31:42] works, public utilities, and parks,
direct maintenance folks. Um pretty much
[2:31:46] any activity that happens out in the
community that's involving roads,
[2:31:50] sidewalks, and recreation comes out of
that building. Um you guys have
[2:31:55] proactively planned for this expansion
and so this is just a moving on of that
[2:31:59] process. Uh we did contract with Wither
Ravenell and Tel architects to do our
[2:32:04] space need study and our um and our
design. Uh with that we moved on to
[2:32:10] Edifice general contractors for our
guaranteed maximum price construction or
[2:32:14] Seymar contract as we refer to those. Uh
Edifice selected bid or solicited bids
[2:32:20] on May 5th and May 19th of this year. Uh
the guaranteed maximum price that
[2:32:25] resulted from those bids was 20,483,848.
[2:32:31] » Uh this was significantly higher than
our previous estimates. Uh so we did a
[2:32:35] lot a good bit of um follow-up work and
ground work with Edifice. Um
[2:32:41] basically cost escalation in the
construction market had slowed for a
[2:32:46] period and has picked back up. Um, we
worked very diligently with Edifice
[2:32:52] after the bid openings to try to look
for opportunities. Should we rebid the
[2:32:56] project? Should are there places where
we could save money on the project? Um,
[2:33:01] the basic result of that was our
analysis with the biders was that a
[2:33:06] rebid was likely going to at at best
leave us even and maybe even would even
[2:33:11] leave us with a higher bids the second
time around. Um the most of the cost
[2:33:18] increases are general inflation. You
know, we we had a conflict with in a
[2:33:23] foreign country pop up about the time
we're bidding these projects. Um just a
[2:33:28] lot of um of the continued inflationary
pressures that we've been seeing on the
[2:33:31] construction market. Uh, so we did work
with Edifice on numerous val value
[2:33:36] engineering options and we were able to
at least lower the cost by $338,000 with
[2:33:42] some choices that did not impact our
function. Um, there were choices that we
[2:33:47] could have done to get back into uh more
into our budget line, but any of those
[2:33:52] were going to come with major
programmatic issues. you were going to
[2:33:55] remove a building that was a major
function of the site and it was going to
[2:33:59] lead to us being back in five years
needing to expand yet again. And so just
[2:34:04] at our determination is that you know
the cost and the recency of that would
[2:34:10] just be too high for us to to to
recommend that. So with that $338,000
[2:34:16] in value engineering, that brings the
the GMP amendment to 20,145,89.
[2:34:24] Um we also have additional soft costs on
the town side that include our
[2:34:30] financing, some contingency, uh
furniture, our IT upfit. There's some of
[2:34:36] those things that we we rather than
contract that out, we kind of manage on
[2:34:39] on our side of the house. Um, we had
originally, as our fiscal note, had
[2:34:44] originally budgeted 18.5 million in this
budget to to cover this construction.
[2:34:49] So, a part of this action is a budget
amendment of $1,645,89
[2:34:56] uh to help cover the GMP cost and then
also to cover the $1,371,366
[2:35:03] in the soft cost that I explained. Um
our plan from the beginning was to split
[2:35:09] this cost between the general fund and
the enterp uh the utility enterprise
[2:35:12] fund by 2/3 to oneird split which we
have done and will continue to do. Uh so
[2:35:19] with that the total funding to support
this project that we're talking about
[2:35:23] tonight is 21517,175.
[2:35:28] Um I can assure you that we have worked
diligently to bring this project in at
[2:35:33] as low a cost as we can. uh we are
bringing you a project that meets the
[2:35:38] 10-year need that we intended to um and
you know has the elements that um are
[2:35:44] necessary to keep our operations running
and there's nothing on this site that's
[2:35:47] going to go wasted or unused. Um, uh,
one of the hard parts I I mentioned a
[2:35:52] couple times that, you know, when you're
trying to value engineer a facility that
[2:35:56] is really designed for function, there's
really not a lot of places to go pull
[2:36:00] things out without
impacting the critical function. So,
[2:36:05] with that, town staff recommends this
GMP amendment and subsequent budget
[2:36:09] amendment to the project ordinance to
support this project. Um, here's a
[2:36:13] overall schematic that you can see where
we're adding addition to our current
[2:36:18] admin building. We're adding a second
building with office spaces, locker
[2:36:22] spaces, and all that. And then also, uh,
lots of covered storage, parking being
[2:36:28] one of the major constraints at this
time that, you know, we've been out of
[2:36:31] parking for for essentially a year.
Um so the recommended motion um for you
[2:36:37] tonight is this management staff
recommendation to approve the guaranteed
[2:36:41] maximum price amendment of 20,145,89
[2:36:47] with Edifice general contractors approve
a project ordinance amendment budget
[2:36:51] amendment and authorize the town manager
to execute GMP documents for the
[2:36:56] construction of the public service
center phase 2 project subject to town
[2:36:59] attorney review as to form and with that
be glad to answer any questions. Thank
[2:37:03] you. Thank you. Please forgive me. I
misread that that figure as 20,000. I'm
[2:37:08] sorry.
>> I wish it was 20,000. [laughter] I think
[2:37:11] we all
>> All right, Tracy. I'm just curious. Do
[2:37:16] y'all get many complaints from the
neighborhood next door from noise or
[2:37:23] anything like that?
>> There was a lot of that discussion when
[2:37:26] the facility was originally built. I
don't recall any recent issues that have
[2:37:32] been brought to my attention.
>> Seems like like they were concerned
[2:37:35] about lights and lighting.
>> Uh originally there were a lot of
[2:37:39] concerns. Um I don't know that I've
heard
[2:37:41] » I'm wondering about since it opened and
>> No, I I don't I don't recall any
[2:37:46] recently. It it's I I haven't had
anybody complain to me directly.
[2:37:54] Well, the um you know was right here
close to Holland's Crossroads and this
[2:38:00] was Holland land
um because it was bought from um Mr.
[2:38:06] David Holland, Donald's uncle. And um I
just remember it was one of these um
[2:38:16] instances where we had a we we had
kicked the hornets's nest because the
[2:38:21] neighborhood next door I think thought
that we were going to I don't know what
[2:38:26] they thought we were going to be doing
next or putting a dump next door to them
[2:38:30] but I've haven't heard anything negative
since it opened and so I'm proud of that
[2:38:36] and I think the town has done a good job
with it and I've just heard from a a
[2:38:43] neighbor that it's uh that y'all are
good neighbors. So, I appreciate that.
[2:38:48] » We do our best.
>> Mr. Mayor, I just want to say uh you
[2:38:51] know, thank you uh Director Stevenson
for, you know, I I think with every
[2:38:55] project we have now, what we don't want
to do is even though, you know, funding
[2:39:00] is limited at times is put it to where
we're going to have to go back fixing
[2:39:04] something in five years. I think that's
with every big project that we have
[2:39:07] coming up down the pipeline. It's no
point of, you know, I would rather put
[2:39:11] money towards that than five years and
instead of 10 years down the road, we
[2:39:15] having to go back and fix stuff. That's
what, you know, the new fire station,
[2:39:18] new police department, all this stuff. I
think that's one of the things. So,
[2:39:21] thank you for and and finance and
management and everybody for thinking
[2:39:25] about that when we're looking at all
these projects that we don't want to do
[2:39:28] something and then have to go back
because as we all know if we go back
[2:39:32] five years down the road we've spent
more money we would have spent in the
[2:39:35] first place. So thank you for uh
thinking about it and and we and we hope
[2:39:38] that you know even though you had to do
some some changes around and nothing is
[2:39:43] you know lack because people know that
uh you know one of the backbones of our
[2:39:48] town are the are the employees that come
out of that building every day and and
[2:39:52] and they're you know we need them.
They're 24-hour on call and everything
[2:39:57] else and up before we are a lot of them
asleep right now and be up before we get
[2:40:01] up. So, you know, we we definitely want
to make sure that, you know, we're we're
[2:40:04] putting our best foot forward as a board
to make sure that u that all the
[2:40:08] employees there have everything they
need. And definitely I've seen it on
[2:40:12] those days where everybody's parked on
the grass and everything else trying to
[2:40:15] park find a parking spot. So, it'll be
good to have a parking lot.
[2:40:20] » Any other comments?
Do I hear a motion?
[2:40:25] » So moved, Mr. Mayor, as presented and
recommended.
[2:40:27] » Second. All those in favor of the motion
as presented, let it be known by saying
[2:40:34] I.
>> I.
[2:40:35] » Any opposed? Eyes have it. Thank you.
>> Other business. And how we doing? We
[2:40:43] Anybody need a break? We might be able
to knock this out in 15 minutes. Uh,
[2:40:49] other business, manager report.
>> I'll try to be as brief as I can, mayor.
[2:40:53] I know we're getting long in the tooth.
Um do want to just recognize that uh
[2:40:57] Cody Simson in our engineering
department has been promoted to the
[2:41:01] assistant engineering director
positions. We want to congratulate Cody
[2:41:04] on his career advancement. He holds a
bachelor degree in environmental
[2:41:08] engineering, a dual master's degree in
business administration and construction
[2:41:12] management. And he's a licensed
professional engineer and he's been a
[2:41:16] valuable uh asset to our organization
and to the engineering department since
[2:41:21] having been on board for many years now.
And so we want to congratulate Cody on
[2:41:25] this welldeserved promotion. Uh staff in
the utilities department attended the
[2:41:30] North Carolina rules and regulations
update for drinking water and wastewater
[2:41:34] and brought back some good information
along uh those lines to uh ensure that
[2:41:39] we are uh upholding our uh standards to
the highest standards that state expects
[2:41:44] in terms of rules and regulations. Uh
want to recognize a couple of
[2:41:48] professional development related matters
in the planning department. Our planning
[2:41:51] director, Pam Davidson, successfully
completed the UNCC School of
[2:41:55] Government's public executive leadership
academy. So, we want to congratulate Pam
[2:41:59] on her uh completion of that uh
important course. I believe she's the
[2:42:04] first department director to have gone
through that course with the school of
[2:42:07] government. Planners Slater Knox and
Alyssa Hullman attended the annual fall
[2:42:12] certified zoning officials conference in
Bowfort this past week and were able to
[2:42:17] network with other planners uh in in
their profession as well as um bring
[2:42:22] back some uh good information to our
planning department. And our planning
[2:42:27] department staff sincerely appreciates
the board prioritizing continuing
[2:42:30] education and providing opportunities
for staff to be lifelong learners and
[2:42:34] advance their professional development
goals. I also want to mention out of the
[2:42:38] planning department that the citizens
planning academy is open for
[2:42:42] registration online through August 28th
for the next cohort of that academy. The
[2:42:47] first cohort was extremely successful
and we look forward to hosting the next
[2:42:51] group of of learners in our community
this October. So anyone who's interested
[2:42:55] is encouraged to register online be by
or before August 28th. And we're limited
[2:43:01] in available spots. So it's first come
first serve. We encourage encourage that
[2:43:05] registration. Uh downtown development
Samantha Darlington has been hired and
[2:43:11] selected as the town's next downtown
development manager joining us from the
[2:43:16] North Carolina Main Street program. So,
we're excited to have uh someone who is
[2:43:20] familiar with the North Carolina Main
Street program and uh the state program
[2:43:24] and national program come and join and
be a part of our downtown team and a
[2:43:28] partner with the FEDA. So, we're very
excited about her start date, which is
[2:43:32] September 21st.
Uh the uh streets department took
[2:43:37] delivery of a new leaf vacuum truck that
was budgeted in the fiscal year 27
[2:43:41] budget and is preparing it for the
upcoming fall leaf season. And Tim
[2:43:46] Hannon was promoted from sanitation
collector 2 to equipment operator in the
[2:43:50] sanitation department, filling one of
the new crew positions added in the
[2:43:55] fiscal year 27 budget. his former
position and the remainder of the new
[2:43:59] sanitation crew have been filled and
they will start on August 24th, allowing
[2:44:03] the new sanitation route to go into
service in the near future.
[2:44:08] A national night out against crime is uh
planned to be held on Friday, August
[2:44:14] 21st, this Friday from 5:00 p.m. to 8:00
p.m. in the parking lot next to Target
[2:44:19] in the Gold Leaf Shopping Center.
Backpacks and school supplies will be
[2:44:24] distributed while supplies last. And I
do want to just note that we are
[2:44:27] monitoring uh weather to determine if
alternative plans are necessary. There
[2:44:32] are some inclement weather projected in
the forecast and so we're paying close
[2:44:36] attention to that. Back to school
traffic safety uh as it pertains to back
[2:44:41] to school traffic safety. The
traditional school calendar uh year
[2:44:44] officially begins this coming Monday,
August 24th. So, we do um encourage uh
[2:44:51] drivers and parents to exercise caution
when traveling through school zones and
[2:44:55] expect traffic delays during morning
drop off and afternoon pickup times at
[2:45:00] least at least initially when the school
season starts. And our police department
[2:45:04] officers will be monitoring school zones
and conducting traffic enforcement,
[2:45:08] including targeted enforcement of the
new no parking zones established near
[2:45:12] Willis Spring High School in the North
Lake subdivision.
[2:45:16] Uh Faith Brown is recently joined the
parks, recreation, and cultural
[2:45:20] resources team as our newest athletic
program specialist. We want to welcome
[2:45:24] Faith to our team. Uh as it pertains to
fire department, Scott Naylor completed
[2:45:29] all career ladder requirements and has
been promoted to fire from firefighter 2
[2:45:33] to senior firefighter. So, we want to
congratulate Scott on his career
[2:45:36] development. And fire engineers Matthew
Lee and Robbie Johnson have been
[2:45:40] promoted to fire captain to fill the
vacancies by recent retirements. and
[2:45:44] their badge pinning will take place at
the September 22nd town board meeting.
[2:45:48] So, we look forward to welcoming them
and their families for that badge
[2:45:51] pinning ceremony. Uh nine officers and
firefighters attended the South Atlantic
[2:45:57] Fire Rescue Expo at the Raleigh
Convention Center this past weekend for
[2:46:00] technical training classes, keynote
sessions, and leadership development
[2:46:04] alongside thousands of firefighters from
across the southeastern region of the
[2:46:08] United States. And so it was a good
learning opportunity for uh those nine
[2:46:13] officers and firefighters. We want to
thank them for attending. Um and then
[2:46:17] applications close this Thursday for the
three non-certified firefighter
[2:46:22] positions included in the fiscal year
budget with more than a 100 applications
[2:46:27] received to date. The new recruits will
attend the Wake County Fire Academy
[2:46:31] starting in October and are scheduled to
graduate in late May. So everyone wants
[2:46:35] to come work at the Fugquway Arena Fire
Department. It's a good place to be.
[2:46:39] Um,
Alice uh, Deell Gatano Deatano, excuse
[2:46:46] me, has been hired as our assistant
finance director and will start on
[2:46:50] September 8th. So, we're looking forward
to Alice coming on board and being a
[2:46:53] part of our finance team. This past
weekend featured a successful summer
[2:46:58] showcase for dancers enrolled in summer
classes at the art center. Auditions for
[2:47:03] the annual community Nutcracker
production are now open and interested
[2:47:06] participants can sign up for the
audition time on the arts center
[2:47:10] website. And a rental and special events
coordinator Katie Crush and program
[2:47:15] coordinator Jennifer Ranken returned
from the leadership exchange in arts and
[2:47:19] disability seminar sponsored by the
Kennedy Center. Staff look forward to
[2:47:23] implementing their new ideas to increase
and improve program accessibility. and
[2:47:28] registration for fall classes and fall
theater offerings is available online
[2:47:32] and in person for the arts center. Uh
with that uh mayor and board, I will
[2:47:37] just again draw your attention to
National Night Out against Crime this
[2:47:40] Friday 5 to 8:00 p.m. at the Gold Leaf
Target parking lot.
[2:47:44] Thursday, September 10th, we will have
our first concert of the fall series.
[2:47:48] Follow me to Fugquway concert. The Band
of Oz will be here in town performing a
[2:47:52] local favorite and 6 pm to 9:00 p.m. at
Centennial Park. The 911 National Day of
[2:47:57] Remembrance will be held on Friday,
September 11th at 8:30 a.m. at the
[2:48:01] Fugquway Verina Arts Center. The
International Festival will be at the
[2:48:05] Fugway Arena Arts Center on September
12th from 11:00 a.m. to 400 p.m. The
[2:48:09] food truck rodeo will be on Sunday,
September 13th
[2:48:14] from 12:00 p.m. to 3 p.m. at the Durm
Street parking lot, 801 Durm Street.
[2:48:19] There are some first readings in your
agenda materials. a zoning map amendment
[2:48:22] submitted by Josh Swendell of Envision
Homes, 7151 Sunset Lake Road. And with
[2:48:29] that, Mr. Mayor and Board, that
concludes my remarks for this evening.
[2:48:32] I'm happy to answer any questions that
you might have.
[2:48:35] » Thank you very much. Thank you very
much. Um, the next item, town board
[2:48:40] member comments. Um,
Commissioner Haynes.
[2:48:46] » Yes, sir. I'll keep
>> be brief.
[2:48:48] » Yes, sir. Very brief. Uh, it was
exciting. I was downtown Raleigh on
[2:48:52] Friday and I was first I was like why am
I seeing Fugquway Vina fire department
[2:48:55] trucks down here then I turned the
corner I see fire trucks from everywhere
[2:48:58] in the in the state of North Carolina
and it took me forever to find parking
[2:49:02] but it was good to see that uh we had
some people represented town of freeway
[2:49:05] there. Um, I just want to uh uh send
blessings to all of our students who
[2:49:10] have started back school or who are
starting back school. All our teachers,
[2:49:14] bus drivers, and everybody and all our
college kids who are off to college
[2:49:18] already and probably have just started
about to start their first few days of
[2:49:22] college who are residents of Fuqua
Arena. So excited about their year and
[2:49:25] see their success. Last thing is I just
want to uh I'm honored to be uh um on
[2:49:31] the list of um part of the legislative
policy committee for the North Carolina
[2:49:36] League of Municipalities along with our
town manager. Uh we are se we are made
[2:49:41] up of 70 elected officials, management
and I think attorneys uh across the
[2:49:48] state of North Carolina who'll be
working on legislative policies for the
[2:49:51] upcoming sessions for our um North
Carolina uh legislator. So, it's uh
[2:49:56] exciting to be a part of that. We'll
start our sessions and working to figure
[2:49:59] out over for the f over 500
municipalities in the state of North
[2:50:03] Carolina what legislative policies we
need to work towards to make sure we
[2:50:06] have everything we need in our uh
municipalities all over the state. So,
[2:50:10] we're sorry about that.
>> Congratulations. Thank you.
[2:50:12] » Yeah. Great. Both to you and the town
manager. Congratulations. Commissioner
[2:50:17] Adcock,
>> no comments tonight.
[2:50:20] » All right. Commissioner Smith,
>> really no comments tonight, Mr. Mayor.
[2:50:24] just been busy with a lot of ribbon
cutings and groundbreings, but that's a
[2:50:28] great thing to see. So,
>> yes, it is. Yes, it is. Commissioner
[2:50:32] Vorren,
>> no comments.
[2:50:36] » Mayor Pro Tim Gardner,
>> no comments except it was really nice to
[2:50:40] to um that for the publicity we got with
the launch for the new DMV in Few Arena.
[2:50:48] It was nice to to see some good positive
uh coverage from the media and it was a
[2:50:55] exciting day. It's going to be a great
facility going from 14 station 14
[2:51:01] driver's license stations to four to 14.
Great point. That's good. I'm glad you
[2:51:06] mentioned that. Thank you. Any other
comment? That's it. Uh I have no comment
[2:51:12] tonight. I know that uh we have a close
session and uh
[2:51:18] do I hear a motion to go into close
session?
[2:51:21] » So move
>> second.
[2:51:23] » All those in favor we need to identify
why
[2:51:27] » it's it is uh under general statute uh
the closed open meetings law general
[2:51:31] statute A3 attorney client privilege.
>> Okay.
[2:51:36] » So move.
>> Okay. Second. All those in favor of the
[2:51:39] motion let it be known by saying I. I.
opposed. All right, we can take a break.