1 00:01:32,750 --> 00:01:39,210 Console meeting from May 5, 2015. The evening we started the tonight off with the Executive Session 2 00:01:39,210 --> 00:01:45,690 at 6pm, and it was specifically discussed as a parcel located on May very road 3 00:01:47,770 --> 00:01:48,150 or, sort 4 00:01:48,150 --> 00:01:52,850 off, the roll call, counsel calendar. Councillor Golger. Councilor Gang. 5 00:01:53,790 --> 00:01:54,510 Console the deleting. 6 00:01:55,410 --> 00:02:00,430 Councillor Jellerson, Tomerati, Tom Mangerabakubene, Council Chairman, Nathie Stresgers, welcome. 7 00:02:01,470 --> 00:02:03,470 Would you please join us with a pledge of allegiance? 8 00:02:18,740 --> 00:02:19,460 We'll 9 00:02:26,430 --> 00:02:33,670 ask Matt on April 21, 2015, and we have minutes from that meeting that we received. 10 00:02:34,810 --> 00:02:36,990 Surely, you just received a minutes today. 11 00:02:37,690 --> 00:02:39,790 Nancy has a new computer over there. 12 00:02:39,790 --> 00:02:41,150 the uncrashed and raised. 13 00:02:42,650 --> 00:02:44,730 I am just so like places on next slide. 14 00:02:44,950 --> 00:02:45,270 Next slide? 15 00:02:45,870 --> 00:02:46,650 That's OK. 16 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:52,290 So will we hold up on reviewing those and we'll talk about these in two weeks. 17 00:02:53,250 --> 00:02:54,150 Thanks Nancy. 18 00:02:56,130 --> 00:02:56,670 That happens. 19 00:02:57,570 --> 00:02:58,670 This is the bad issue. 20 00:02:59,370 --> 00:02:59,870 Thank you. 21 00:03:00,050 --> 00:03:01,690 Look forward to reading you. 22 00:03:02,150 --> 00:03:04,670 Second, the first order of business is, 23 00:03:04,670 --> 00:03:06,090 is, probably comments about the agenda. 24 00:03:06,590 --> 00:03:08,870 If you have something to say, we'd like to come up. 25 00:03:09,050 --> 00:03:09,390 It'd be great. 26 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:18,170 I would just like to keep it within about three minutes or so, and just identify who are the good folks at home and the record keeping here we have. 27 00:03:28,990 --> 00:03:30,210 Chairman Mofon, great. 28 00:03:30,330 --> 00:03:30,630 Welcome. 29 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:40,310 And we're at 100, and seeing the same thing about the executive session, the action was taken, action was taken, you didn't say. 30 00:03:40,430 --> 00:03:47,610 No, we'll have an action item, presumably probably in two weeks for the agenda to act on in the public. 31 00:03:48,110 --> 00:03:51,590 So you took action to have something to put on the agenda in two weeks? 32 00:03:52,770 --> 00:03:52,950 Yes. 33 00:03:53,630 --> 00:03:58,730 So we'll have at that point down, but some homework needs to be done before it's for public 34 00:03:58,730 --> 00:03:59,050 doing. 35 00:04:00,570 --> 00:04:06,330 The issue that I want to discuss is what you had taken taking care of last week. 36 00:04:06,330 --> 00:04:08,330 I mean, last council meeting. 37 00:04:08,830 --> 00:04:11,470 And that was taken some funds from the TIP account. 38 00:04:11,470 --> 00:04:18,570 and shuffle it to take care of what tax pay is raised in taxes for that road. 39 00:04:18,710 --> 00:04:20,690 I'm 100 up for 100. 40 00:04:21,950 --> 00:04:23,430 I'm going to write by me. 41 00:04:23,770 --> 00:04:31,150 Oh, yeah, for the $35,000 for the road improvement margin of our work. 42 00:04:31,150 --> 00:04:32,430 I'm going to apply the way. 43 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:33,670 Okay, thanks. 44 00:04:34,090 --> 00:04:36,210 So anyway, the tax pay is your total tax pay. 45 00:04:36,290 --> 00:04:37,950 You need some money for that road. 46 00:04:37,950 --> 00:04:41,670 and taxpayers gave them money for it, they proved it and etc. 47 00:04:42,870 --> 00:04:46,110 So, I would think that you would be spending the money for that. 48 00:04:46,410 --> 00:04:51,810 However, I don't think it's morally right to take that money 49 00:04:51,810 --> 00:04:54,510 that the attack you told the taxi is going to use for railroad, 50 00:04:55,750 --> 00:05:00,050 turn around and use a shuffle of the money from a tip, 51 00:05:00,390 --> 00:05:05,430 a count, to take care that because you need a new item. 52 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:08,030 That's not covered under the tip. 53 00:05:09,170 --> 00:05:11,110 If you're serious about economic development, 54 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:13,290 which I'm not sure you are, 55 00:05:13,770 --> 00:05:15,990 because your actions don't seem to indicate 56 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:21,470 by taking what I consider a savings account, which is tip money. 57 00:05:22,130 --> 00:05:24,430 So that if some major thing comes in, 58 00:05:24,630 --> 00:05:26,570 we're sitting pretty good to be able to work 59 00:05:26,570 --> 00:05:28,010 and take action immediately. 60 00:05:28,510 --> 00:05:32,710 If we had some funds, but it seems like every time I turn around, 61 00:05:32,710 --> 00:05:38,250 the citizens turn around. This money is being sucked out of there out of the 62 00:05:38,250 --> 00:05:41,770 tip of town. So, you know, what are you going to have when something 63 00:05:41,770 --> 00:05:44,410 should come up? If something should come up, maybe you don't believe anything's 64 00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:48,650 going to come up. Maybe you feel that, you know, but what your actions 65 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:54,390 are saying is that we don't really care what we told you we're going to use the 66 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:57,710 money for. We're going to do what we want, when we want to do it anyway. And 67 00:05:57,710 --> 00:06:01,330 that's my impression, which will pace at the last meeting. And I think you should 68 00:06:01,330 --> 00:06:05,230 really look into that because this is not the first time you went into that typical, this is, 69 00:06:05,230 --> 00:06:08,090 you know, you kind of wanted to do that with 100-chip account. 70 00:06:10,010 --> 00:06:16,790 And, you know, this was a great tool for future growth down in that area, that was the purpose 71 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:18,030 of it. 72 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:24,010 And, you know, you're not going to have any money, so we're going to do bond again, you know, 73 00:06:24,130 --> 00:06:28,250 that seems to be, you know, use the credit card to go and take care of the immediate needs. 74 00:06:28,970 --> 00:06:34,790 You really have to think about this. That's totally, that's all I have to talk about right now. 75 00:06:35,090 --> 00:06:38,820 Good. Thank you. Any other public comments? 76 00:06:41,170 --> 00:06:44,590 Seeing that, we'll move on to the second order of business. 77 00:06:44,950 --> 00:06:47,850 Accounts of business is evening. We have two items on there. 78 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:50,570 First is public water ordinance options. 79 00:06:52,130 --> 00:06:55,310 And this is approximately a month ago or so. 80 00:06:55,310 --> 00:07:02,030 of the Council, and this is a Council business discussion relative to some water, but at 81 00:07:02,030 --> 00:07:08,970 the time, we didn't have the luxury of being able to talk with our fine chief and the 82 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:15,210 fire department, and it was, and we honestly volunteered to come out this evening to help us 83 00:07:15,210 --> 00:07:23,570 understand that what their concepts or what their thoughts were on the subject directly about 84 00:07:23,570 --> 00:07:26,290 specifically about water and public safety. 85 00:07:27,390 --> 00:07:31,550 And the discussion at that time was about fire funds for one. 86 00:07:32,330 --> 00:07:38,130 If Owen is right now, it says you have to show sufficient water for some division as far 87 00:07:38,130 --> 00:07:45,110 as public safety either, you know, fire upon sprinklers or a system or something along those 88 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:46,290 lines or high grants. 89 00:07:48,030 --> 00:07:54,790 And we received a report from the planning side of it that fireponds, you know, apply 90 00:07:54,790 --> 00:07:57,090 fine to the art, you know, preferred. 91 00:07:58,270 --> 00:08:02,090 But we reached up to the chief as far as that to hear what the death of us would be on that 92 00:08:02,090 --> 00:08:03,270 relative to public safety. 93 00:08:04,030 --> 00:08:06,030 And that's why the chief came up tonight. 94 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:08,970 So again, if you could come up and address that some, 95 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:19,360 thanks to coming out to see the 96 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:19,740 chief. 97 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:33,300 The whole subject, as I watched it, that this last meeting did have some input that specifically 98 00:08:33,300 --> 00:08:41,940 wanted to talk about, you know, I think in Doug's letter did mention that the public safety 99 00:08:41,940 --> 00:08:48,140 department has been working on what I would call a fire ordinance, not a water ordinance for 100 00:08:48,140 --> 00:08:55,340 couple years now, and that's was something that the Council has approached in 2008, I believe, 101 00:08:55,860 --> 00:09:02,080 around that time with a fire ordinance that covered things like mandatory water hookup, 102 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,420 residential sprinklers, and such. 103 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,660 At that time it was rejected, and honestly I don't, I wasn't involved, I don't really know 104 00:09:10,660 --> 00:09:13,500 the ins and outs of what happened or why it wasn't accepted. 105 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:23,820 So I tested it off and started working on it in the last couple years, but honestly, it hasn't been on the top of the pile. 106 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:33,260 So after your discussion last month, I rushed it off and talked to Doug and said, you know, look, I don't know how, 107 00:09:33,260 --> 00:09:42,000 which way the council wants to go with this, or they want to go from the code of the zoning side to address some of these issues, 108 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,940 or they want it in an ordinance, fire ordinance, and I think it could be done either way. 109 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:53,780 My preference would be that it would be in an inclusive fire ordinance, which would cover 110 00:09:53,780 --> 00:09:58,900 a lot of other things that current fire ordinance, so we have this from 1950. 111 00:09:59,980 --> 00:10:08,000 So you can imagine that it really is pretty well useless, cover things like incinerators, 112 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:13,500 driving over firewoods. It really doesn't cover the issues of today. So my preference 113 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:20,600 would be for public safety that we work on this ordinance and it's going to take a while and 114 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,940 get the input from both Council and Planning Board as to what issues need to be addressed and 115 00:10:25,940 --> 00:10:33,580 covered and then we go that route. You can choose to cover these things under the subdivision rules 116 00:10:33,580 --> 00:10:36,700 And right now, that's where it's being done. 117 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,580 It's subdivision rule whether it's minor or major says. 118 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,480 You either need to pick from a sister or a sprinkler system, 119 00:10:44,940 --> 00:10:47,520 or extend the water main, or a fire pond. 120 00:10:48,140 --> 00:10:50,320 And so the whole thing kind of started, I think, 121 00:10:50,500 --> 00:10:53,420 when in the fire pond, like my comments, 122 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:57,820 we don't really think that's the best method anymore. 123 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,020 And the reason for that is, 124 00:11:02,020 --> 00:11:07,920 they're not as effective in a wintertime, they're not accessible, they, you know, like this one, 125 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:16,280 we had three feet of ice, so we don't even use them. And so I said to be the code office, you know, 126 00:11:16,340 --> 00:11:23,300 the next time you examine your subdivision rules, let's not make that an option. Because, 127 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:28,940 honestly, it's very expensive to subdivision people to do. Anyway, has to be certified by 128 00:11:30,340 --> 00:11:36,480 hydrologist in order to pass, and then they're not affected. So that's kind of where 129 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,420 this all started, I think, from the planning board, and some of these things address 130 00:11:41,420 --> 00:11:46,840 so. What I would need to hear from you, folks, times what direction you want to go in. 131 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:51,060 If that's the direction you want to go in, we'll hit the box, we'll get this developed, 132 00:11:51,180 --> 00:11:55,600 we'll get it back to you. If you want it to come from the planning board, then you have 133 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,420 address it that way. 134 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:04,620 That it's really that that's simple. But if you go the planning board 135 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:10,340 rude, they want to address some of the fire protection rules that we need. It'll only 136 00:12:10,340 --> 00:12:19,280 address new development in such, you know, for instance, we just have a store across some 137 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:25,640 put up, it's not sprinkled. That should never happen. But right now they don't 138 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,880 buy the state of Stages, which is 12,000 square feet. I'd like to see it 139 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:36,660 2000 square feet. So every commercial building that is put next, right next to a 140 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:41,060 water line should not have any excuse not to hook to that water line and sprinkle 141 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:46,180 the building. So those are the types of things that are not being addressed, that I 142 00:12:46,180 --> 00:12:48,940 think should come from a fire ordinance. 143 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:54,120 The damage we're looking at from a commercial, a commercial side in a residential application. 144 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,060 You'd be able to address those differences. 145 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,140 Those differences. 146 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,280 They would go to the included. 147 00:12:58,580 --> 00:13:02,040 And they would have verbiage in there for either or. 148 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,220 Some of the rules would be the same. 149 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:05,220 Others would be different. 150 00:13:05,580 --> 00:13:08,220 It would certainly be more strategic for commercial. 151 00:13:09,060 --> 00:13:10,700 Not to discourage commercial growth. 152 00:13:11,220 --> 00:13:15,780 But in quite honestly, most commercial people for insurance purposes want to 153 00:13:16,980 --> 00:13:24,860 And it's a little beyond me that the ones who don't, I don't quite understand it, but I think it needs to be covered in that type of an ordinance. 154 00:13:27,010 --> 00:13:28,130 Council to us, Pete. 155 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:34,710 I think we should give it to the fire department to roll over you. 156 00:13:35,610 --> 00:13:38,770 I mean, again, this obvious, the fire department needs to go. 157 00:13:39,530 --> 00:13:46,190 So there's need for change and I think who better than I could fire the fire department to do it. 158 00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:53,530 I know you've been working with the Planning Board as well and seen this in conflict in action, 159 00:13:53,690 --> 00:13:56,810 I guess, specifically, especially with firepower in questions too. 160 00:13:57,990 --> 00:14:05,730 Yeah, and I would agree that the fire on issue is something that needs to be dealt with, 161 00:14:05,890 --> 00:14:08,110 and I don't have a problem with that. 162 00:14:08,110 --> 00:14:28,190 I do think that it should be a standalone ordinance enforced by the fire department, because I think all it does is complicated things for the plan board and there's too much that it's left open to individual interpretation. 163 00:14:28,190 --> 00:14:37,510 I think myself and I think the majority of the council have been very outspoken about as far 164 00:14:37,510 --> 00:14:42,990 as the residential, making water hook up mandatory for subdivision, sprinklers, 165 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:45,310 requirements, stuff like that. 166 00:14:45,330 --> 00:14:51,770 I think it's pretty plain that at least this council is something that they're not going 167 00:14:51,770 --> 00:14:52,250 to support. 168 00:14:52,970 --> 00:14:57,370 I am amazed that that building is not sprinkled. 169 00:14:57,690 --> 00:14:59,770 I can't believe why they wouldn't do it. 170 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:06,080 I agree with you. I think any commercial building should be required to be sprinkled. 171 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:24,820 And that, you know, then again, that's one of those things that's needed to be taken care of for a long time, that's just haven't dealt with again. So it's really a shame to see that I don't know why they would not want to sprinkle that bill in that boggles in my mind. 172 00:15:24,820 --> 00:15:28,880 or let me retrace that we were never presented with a plan. 173 00:15:29,940 --> 00:15:32,180 So, honestly, don't know. 174 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,280 I could only assume it was not. 175 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,500 We were never given a plan to approve. 176 00:15:37,140 --> 00:15:42,580 Well, I guess that might be another question for the other question for all I got by, though. 177 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:45,760 But if you need to put a little flavor into the pot and hold it at least. 178 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:51,860 Because the audience doesn't support it, and they don't have to do it, and that's all that 179 00:15:51,860 --> 00:15:57,940 reason to get this, what we so call the ordinance that we have straightened out, because it has 180 00:15:57,940 --> 00:16:05,080 a lot of holes like that in it. But I would agree with you with the fireballons, I think that's, 181 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:10,300 you know, I think that's something that needs to be changed. I don't have a problem with that. 182 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:18,180 I don't think that puts on any unnecessary financial burden on the developer 183 00:16:19,340 --> 00:16:27,180 are reduces their choices, so to speak, like a mandatory hook-up to public water and 184 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:33,140 a mandatory sprinkling of homes does, though those two things I would not support, but I 185 00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:40,520 would definitely support the getting rid of the fireponds and having subdo-requires 186 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:50,380 of divisions to go to systems, and I do like the idea of staying alone on its own ordinance. 187 00:16:51,580 --> 00:16:56,980 I think that's realistically the only way to go in my mind and to leave it up with you guys, 188 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:05,480 because the ones that steal with it, the ones that know about it, so the ones that should be dealing with it. 189 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:13,840 I don't have anything to add without drawing this out, so I'm going to agree with what's 190 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,760 in just set so far. 191 00:17:16,460 --> 00:17:16,820 Thanks, sir. 192 00:17:19,100 --> 00:17:27,640 I believe with Louis Shubby's den alone, I believe in the expertise of fire department to carry out 193 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,520 what is needed. 194 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,220 Can you speak to the rating? 195 00:17:31,220 --> 00:17:37,360 Like if we change our ordinance for how fire ordinance is there, how does that affect your reading? 196 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:39,000 Isn't that better for the town? 197 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,660 It would not necessarily by itself affect the rating. 198 00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:53,660 But that is another subject that we're in the middle of applying for a rate change. 199 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,940 In other words, there are many steps you have to go through for ISO 2 to get a better rating. 200 00:17:59,940 --> 00:18:05,180 rating right now is a split rating, which is a four in the hydro district and eight B in 201 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:10,820 the rural district. So if you're outside the hydro district, you're in a rural setting. And 202 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:16,640 we are applying to have that improved right now. We're in the middle of our paperwork and it's 203 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,600 been a, like a year-long process. So that's, that's what's been on the top of the bottom of this, 204 00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:29,920 but so no, it would not necessarily improve your rating. However, in the long term, by instituting 205 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:38,640 some of these rules or ordinances for commercial business, essentially would improve how 206 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:46,740 you get to a better rate if that's clear. In other words, you know, you can prove that 90% 207 00:18:46,740 --> 00:18:51,000 of your commercial buildings are sprinkled and, you know, so on and so forth are on the 208 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,840 water, but on the water, hydrogen system. And yes, that does help your improvement. For instance, 209 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:03,200 the water tower that was just installed will help already potentially, but it all has to be 210 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:09,880 added up, everything from dispatch to your building, your apparatus, that all those in the 211 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,720 forms are so. So it's not a reality. 212 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,280 Go where you're saying there is some on-term, and I believe in implementing it. 213 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,240 I believe so, yes. 214 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,080 Thank you. 215 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:21,720 Thanks, Lynn. 216 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,700 Chief, I'm also an agreement with my fellow councillors as far as 217 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:32,520 having it as a standalone document, especially updating it over since it's about 60 plus 218 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:33,060 years old. 219 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:39,120 So now we're seeing like a good time to get in that business, but I look forward to 220 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:43,540 here what your recommendations work, because with all your experience, within the science, 221 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,160 if you will, and updating it and knowing that how technology has changed and also knowing 222 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:54,560 what our availability of apparatus is and what we can respond to and how we can best use 223 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,060 that in the relationship to the last time that it was written would be huge upgrade. 224 00:19:59,620 --> 00:20:11,900 I have in my office probably six to eight other ordinances from the county that I'm using and looking at it to draw up our own. 225 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:17,760 So obviously you look, see what other towns are doing, what's the best of both worlds and put it all together. 226 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:25,120 So I don't know if you may want to have a workshop where you can give me more input after we have a draft, maybe. 227 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:36,360 And then I'll get input from Code Office, Planning Board, if need be to put all this together, but it will not happen tomorrow. 228 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:43,520 Is there any need, or does I have to get the public safety involved as a assistance as well? 229 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,400 I know they have been meeting very much at all. 230 00:20:46,940 --> 00:20:50,220 No, I've not heard anything from them. 231 00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:53,300 They actually developed one in 2008. 232 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:56,300 I think they were involved as well as the chief. 233 00:20:57,660 --> 00:20:59,320 I'm okay with doing it. 234 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:10,620 And I will put it, maybe not on top of the pile, but very close and hopefully within maybe a month or so have something of a draft. 235 00:21:11,260 --> 00:21:11,720 Oh, that's great. 236 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,700 Because I'm sure once I get a draft, everyone will dissect it and add and cross out and all that. 237 00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:19,920 But that's a process that we'll have to go through. 238 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:27,140 As well as working with the planning department, you know, update those questions because, you know, if you do, if it changes on one side of it, 239 00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:31,440 and all of a sudden the downstream effects would be in the subdivision ordinance where there 240 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,020 would be changes that then would have to be integrated so that's about to get that consistency 241 00:21:35,020 --> 00:21:39,520 that I would like which I would welcome their input and what they would like to see 242 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:48,300 what they've had for experiences and as well as Doug and his team so we'll start that process 243 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:57,120 that's what your wishes are. Yeah I'd say so and then secondly you know the 244 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:07,860 to go through that in kind of informal context and then and then get it moving forward and then have something formally to act on later in the year. So I think that'd be great. 245 00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:10,900 Okay. I have a completely unrelated question. 246 00:22:12,060 --> 00:22:16,900 But it seemed like every piece of rolling stock was moving towards North Raymond Saturday afternoon at one point. 247 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:20,260 It was, you know, this is like mutual aid in action. 248 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,300 Was there a major part of the year or Sunday? 249 00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:23,780 Was a Saturday or was a Sunday? 250 00:22:23,980 --> 00:22:25,560 I know, might have been a Sunday. 251 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,400 Sunday, we had, 252 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,420 when we were trying to do this, it was happening to people. 253 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,760 OK, it's like, it sounded like West Cumberland had just 254 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,160 about everything going up one hundred out of that point. 255 00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:44,380 Covered the station, we had Northeastern covering, 256 00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:47,440 and we had, I don't know, how many guys I'm seeing. 257 00:22:47,620 --> 00:22:48,180 I wasn't there. 258 00:22:56,790 --> 00:22:58,570 You know, there's Dr. Fierd? 259 00:22:58,570 --> 00:22:59,670 No, sure, drive. 260 00:23:01,170 --> 00:23:01,530 Almost. 261 00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:02,590 With fire. 262 00:23:04,090 --> 00:23:05,390 I understand it, not permitted. 263 00:23:07,450 --> 00:23:11,910 And we went to Raymond yesterday for a fairly large wood fire. 264 00:23:12,570 --> 00:23:17,030 I didn't notice it in fairly large font today on the public safety. 265 00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:19,490 Marquita said, there's no wedding. 266 00:23:19,870 --> 00:23:20,670 I didn't get that on dry. 267 00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:21,850 I just need to make it clear. 268 00:23:22,290 --> 00:23:23,990 I don't even think about burning. 269 00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:28,190 That's a great place for that sign with the way the traffic stacks up there early in the morning. 270 00:23:28,450 --> 00:23:29,690 So I can't chance to read it. 271 00:23:30,170 --> 00:23:30,670 That was great. 272 00:23:30,730 --> 00:23:31,430 Thank you very much. 273 00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:32,990 Thank you. 274 00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:37,450 Second, I know we had was a discussion on meeting decorum. 275 00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:41,810 And the reason why I asked every to put that on for our, for council businesses, 276 00:23:42,550 --> 00:23:46,110 I did receive the council, I think, all of us to receive an email from Mr. 277 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:50,110 Mr. Barter, but not Richard Barter, different Mr. Barter. 278 00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:57,410 David, David, and it was related to watching a recent planning board meeting and it was 279 00:23:57,410 --> 00:24:02,450 in happy with the way the discussion unfolded in there and I felt it was a good opportunity 280 00:24:02,450 --> 00:24:10,790 for us to actually for the Council to take a look at it and kind of re-correct our own 281 00:24:10,790 --> 00:24:11,610 compass. 282 00:24:11,910 --> 00:24:16,130 If you, as well as, you know, recommend to our boards that we're all, and commissions that 283 00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:24,170 Well, liaison, too, to just remind folks that our discourse should be respectful and 284 00:24:24,170 --> 00:24:25,790 doesn't have to have to always be agreeable. 285 00:24:27,670 --> 00:24:32,950 But I think we can all improve as far as I go, as in trying to work in the business of 286 00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:38,370 the town as far as trying to have conversations and work with volunteers as well as others. 287 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,460 Then a polite, not always reable, but polite and professional fashion. 288 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:56,220 So, we did receive the email that I responded to it for us, but I did think that was an important point that he brought up and one that we can always try to remember. 289 00:24:58,300 --> 00:25:00,460 That was about the full extent of what we had. 290 00:25:01,260 --> 00:25:04,680 I don't know if anybody had any thoughts or if not we can move on. 291 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:17,800 I will say that since I've been attending school board, CIP meeting, they have a cool thing on the bottom of the agenda where they sort of have meeting and get a few. 292 00:25:19,140 --> 00:25:24,680 Which sort of rules to follow, which I thought is, it's a nice reminder. 293 00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:30,780 Sometimes in the heat of the argument or heat of the discussion, you know something comes up, but you can see it. 294 00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:36,160 I'm going to sort of set the tone for the, for the meetings as well. 295 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,660 Yeah, I think that's great. 296 00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:40,960 If you want to bring that along, maybe we can. 297 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:41,580 I'll forward it. 298 00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:42,720 Thank you. 299 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,020 Thank you. 300 00:25:44,820 --> 00:25:47,180 Third order of business to report me, Council Chair. 301 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,980 I'll be, I'll be brief to see you. 302 00:25:49,020 --> 00:25:50,780 We have a few, few different items. 303 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:59,460 John, Reverend, we did receive John's resignation from the Planning Board after, after many, many years. 304 00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:05,080 I'm going to share exactly how many of the work, but I did send in the thank you note for 305 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:05,760 his service. 306 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,340 I thought he did a great job, was very dedicated to that board for many a year provided. 307 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,900 Always was willing to work, as well as brings perspective. 308 00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:19,500 So I thank him for his service, but I know he'll be missed. 309 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:28,460 So that does also identify that there is an opening on that committee as well, now that 310 00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:36,340 take in place. And then a couple of things I had was Patriot 5K. This is going to be on May 16th, 311 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:43,700 9 a.m. So if you are in the greater crystal lake area, on that day, be prepared for some 312 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:52,380 closures and fast and slow people running. And maybe some intermediate speed people. But that'll 313 00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:59,540 on May 16th, and that's a huge event, brings roughly, you know, 750 to 1,000 people to 314 00:26:59,540 --> 00:27:05,280 the town at that morning for a huge fundraiser, which would raise roughly 50 grand for 315 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:11,040 paid-your-pads, which is a huge shop here. I'm probably the most successful event of that 316 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,840 size in that time period. Second, the third thing is that summer day camp openings, or 317 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,600 it's open for registration now, so if you want to find a place that's fun and engaging 318 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,620 if you're a kid. In the summertime, they do have opening still. But please move quickly because 319 00:27:27,620 --> 00:27:32,460 they will fill up. And then finally on May 28th, we will have a finance committee meeting 320 00:27:32,460 --> 00:27:38,640 finally. We're just looking for May 21st, but there is a conflict that evening because the 321 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,800 school will be having their district meeting that evening at 630. And that will be all that 322 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,560 the middle school. That's high school, that's the cafeteria. So that's why we won't 323 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:55,060 meeting on that night. So we're meeting on the 28th. And that is what I have for Council, 324 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,360 Jerry Port. Yep. 325 00:27:58,340 --> 00:28:04,100 Thank you. I have a few things to report on. I have been trying to send blurb's out 326 00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:09,540 to issue you counsel. So hopefully you are fairly familiar with some of these items. But the 327 00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:14,000 first is that the town of New Gloucester is interested in partnering with the town of Grey 328 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,000 regarding the letter that we want to send to the MTA regarding the tolls. 329 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:26,360 And actually when I spoke with Paul Ferris, he was quite excited about both towns doing it together. 330 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,080 And having each of the council or sign on that. 331 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,920 So we're working together on that, and I'll be bringing that back to you. 332 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:41,760 Kathy Tomberley indicated to me today that she has been talking with Mr. Mayberry regarding the impact fees. 333 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:48,920 If you remember planning decisions and Mr. Mayberry with the two entities, there was someone else 334 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:55,820 who had contacted her and then they retired, consulted and pretty much she has determined 335 00:28:55,820 --> 00:29:00,120 that one of them was not interested and the other one really doesn't have the skills set. 336 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:06,380 So our two candidates still appear to be either Mr. Mayberry or planning decisions. 337 00:29:06,380 --> 00:29:12,480 And she's still waiting for a cost estimate from Mr. Mayberry that we should have within a couple of weeks. 338 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:23,920 This Friday is very important meeting, we're quite excited about it because the commissioner of the Department of Transportation is going to be meeting with staff. 339 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:33,440 And some of you counselors as a matter of fact, I need to get a head count because we'll be having lunch after we take a ride of Route 26. 340 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:40,380 and I would like to thank Senator Breing for facilitating that meeting for us. 341 00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:50,220 And hopefully we will be able to move forward or at least begin to start planning on how we're going to take care of root 26 and the integrity of that road. 342 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:59,300 The firefighters had their annual banquet, April 24, Councilor Mancini and Gallagher attended that. 343 00:29:59,300 --> 00:29:59,980 but it's off 344 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:10,640 Police, it's very heartfelt and Lewin and Lynn may comment on that as well. It's very rewarding each 345 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:17,160 year when I go and it's just kudos to the department and their dedication and hard work. 346 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:25,040 And there's always stories that bring it all home for us. So, I want to thank them again 347 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,600 for the banquet. 348 00:30:27,940 --> 00:30:31,820 The Memorial Day Parade is going to be May 25th. 349 00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:39,860 There is information on our website, Jason Hall from the Legion 350 00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:43,820 is the contact person, but we had a really successful 351 00:30:43,820 --> 00:30:47,260 interesting meeting with staff and folks 352 00:30:47,260 --> 00:30:49,900 from the Historical Society, and we also 353 00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:53,540 were visited by the main living history association. 354 00:30:53,540 --> 00:31:01,900 And these folks are attempting to change legislation that Memorial Day will now, in the future, 355 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:04,860 be celebrated on May 30th. 356 00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:11,020 Instead of the Monday that's convenient to make a long weekend, they're very passionate about 357 00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:16,320 celebrating Memorial Day for the initial reason that it was established. 358 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:24,400 Anyway, these folks came to our meeting and they would press completely in cost of the civil 359 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:32,660 war era and they are going to be conducting an event or a demonstration on May 30th 360 00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:37,960 of this year. At our cemetery, it's going to be at 1 o'clock. We are going to videotape it. 361 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,400 We'll also be providing it on our website and cable TV. 362 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:49,340 But you might want to be watching for these folks because they are very excited about next year. 363 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,160 May 30th. 364 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,300 We're already planning for it. 365 00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:53,020 Memorial Day is May 30th. 366 00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:57,800 And they've asked us to consider having our parade that day at 1 o'clock in the afternoon. 367 00:31:58,420 --> 00:32:00,960 So that we can have a huge statewide gathering. 368 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,320 Everyone else will have finished with their parade. 369 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,560 And we will have folks and costumes. 370 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:15,420 There's going to be war equipment that will be part of the parade and they told us hundreds could be attending this. 371 00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:20,460 So we're hoping that we do see that and we're already starting to plan for next year. 372 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:28,000 The video that we had produced in conjunction with New Blaster in the school, 373 00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:35,200 about two, three years ago, has now on the website of 374 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,520 Cumberland County and it's hosted under community videos. 375 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,720 So I'm really excited about also having that showcase at the 376 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,560 county level because it's hard for me to believe but some people 377 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,500 even in the town of Greg have yet to see that very well done 378 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:54,060 production. 379 00:32:56,180 --> 00:33:01,140 Last year, last week, last month, the town of Gray hosted a state motor vehicle training 380 00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:07,620 here at town hall. And I think I'm forwarded the compliments on to you council. But the staff 381 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:13,400 was really excited about being able to use this very room to host a statewide training. And 382 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,640 the state was really excited about being able to use this room and how easily accessible it 383 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:26,140 is off from the turnpike, so we're just so proud of this building, and it's just another 384 00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:33,240 way for us to showcase that. And given the building and how proud we are of it, we will 385 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:40,600 be hosting the monthly Chamber of Commerce meeting on June 2, upstairs as we did a few years 386 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:46,100 ago in the morning. And once I find all the particulars about, I will get that information 387 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,040 to you and acting that's it. 388 00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:49,420 Thank you. 389 00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:51,160 Thank you. 390 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,080 Committee reports. 391 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,840 Sorry, this is very, very nice. 392 00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:59,860 I'm going to go have a forum for the Finance Committee which I'm pretty excited about. 393 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:07,480 The school's the IP budget meeting that moved from this yesterday to next Monday, 630 at high school. 394 00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:12,100 So I look forward to continuing discussions about that. 395 00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:17,980 And then, the only other thing I have is a continuation on what Deb said that Councilor 396 00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:20,860 Messini and I attended the Fire Department meeting. 397 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:28,580 She even had me in tears with his stories about what they've done and what they've 398 00:34:28,580 --> 00:34:29,140 accomplished. 399 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:35,520 And I just want to say Kudos to all of them, because even though certain ones were recognized 400 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,940 for their contributions, I know it takes a team, so thank you, and thank you for the advice. 401 00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:42,000 Thanks, Lynn. 402 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:42,520 I'll say it. 403 00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:44,100 I think that's it. 404 00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:44,780 Thank you, sir. 405 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:45,480 Hold on. 406 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,620 Thank you. 407 00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:46,920 Lou? 408 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:48,620 Listen for me tonight. 409 00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:49,560 Peter? 410 00:34:51,220 --> 00:34:52,900 Library trustee's met. 411 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,160 Gene Humphrey's a new member. 412 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,200 Join this. 413 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,300 She'll be a good member, I think. 414 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,180 It's going to be interesting going forward. 415 00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:09,740 The library has since reopened after the renovation has been running about 25% ahead of 416 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:19,280 previous usage, and this past month of April will be the first month that is kind of 417 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:26,080 in compared against when it reopened last April. So, be interesting to see if that trend 418 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:33,300 of heavy or usage continues, Josh's keeping his sharp pencil on his feet is there so we'll 419 00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:34,940 find out next month. 420 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:40,100 It's an example, it should be strong. 421 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,680 I was there before the meeting in the place was parking lot of staff also. 422 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,200 That's great. 423 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:46,860 Thanks, Peter. 424 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,820 What committee meeting will be meeting this Thursday at 6.30 p.m. 425 00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:54,620 Here in that kind of office, and that's what I have for any report. 426 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:55,980 Council force funds. 427 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,260 I just think about one email that we did receive from David Barter, 428 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,140 and we did also receive a letter from the Laura Stagel 429 00:36:03,140 --> 00:36:09,940 who was talking about, she had, unfortunately, she had a bad accident up at the intersection 430 00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:18,240 of Shaker Road in Route 26, this past winter, and it was frankly due to, you know, the snow 431 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:22,020 being there and being an unsafe intersection, and I think this would be an important letter 432 00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:29,060 obviously to the meeting on Friday with the DOT chairman, but thank goodness, you know, nobody 433 00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:36,440 He was hurt, but also the car was sustained about $10,000 worth of damage, but her thoughts 434 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,940 and triadies to have at least a light and try to find some way to at least make that intersection 435 00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:44,440 safer because it is so dangerous. 436 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:50,280 But she was encouraging us to try to keep pushing that a lot. 437 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,240 We'll be gone to the fourth order of business. 438 00:36:54,240 --> 00:37:01,240 I'm sure sorry we make a police and I don't have to tell the finance money for the CDC. 439 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:02,520 I'm sure. 440 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,680 I'm sure you have a couple of agencies. 441 00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:10,420 Thank you. 442 00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:11,400 Yeah, well planning board. 443 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,360 I believe we're still thinking. 444 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,080 The two now. 445 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,100 So please jump in early and often. 446 00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:19,740 Fourth row of business. 447 00:37:19,740 --> 00:37:23,820 We do have a presentation that folks have been looking forward to quite a while. 448 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:28,740 We have a preview of coming attractions roughly a month ago, and this evening we have 449 00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:35,460 Superintendent Beesley and School Board Chairman Martel here to bring us an updated 450 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,740 information packet and tell us all about the good work they've been doing at the schools. 451 00:37:42,620 --> 00:37:45,660 Thanks Bruce. We can distribute that for you. Thank you sir. 452 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:57,300 Thank you for having me. 453 00:37:57,780 --> 00:38:06,560 Okay, so this evening, I'd like to share with you the budget update that it owe you that the 454 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,520 school board will be taking on Wednesday. That is the finalized day of war in the article. 455 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,000 We've had straw poles, we've made some decision to pay some decisions at the board level. 456 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:22,160 And we should be signing those warrants, the article questions Wednesday evening and be able 457 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,840 to provide those heat to the two towns following that meeting. 458 00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:28,020 So, here we are. 459 00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:32,820 So, the proposed budget, for 2015-16, and I'm going to jump right in. 460 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:42,240 If you look at the expenses, you'll see that the expenses are up about $116,907, which equates 461 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:47,140 to about 4.49% increase on the expense side of the budget. 462 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:54,560 Subsidy from the state, we have an increase of about 18,154 dollars 463 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,120 as of today that we're counting on. 464 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,000 And we do not expect that we will have the same carry forward 465 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,660 in our fund balance that we've had in years past. 466 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,060 So in the years past, we've been able to carry forward 467 00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:11,480 of our 650,000, or just being able to carry forward. 468 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:17,840 $550,000 from the $1450,000 to the $50,000,000 to the $50,000,000,000. 469 00:39:18,860 --> 00:39:25,460 So the estimated tax impact for the two towns that that increase will have, gray share is 470 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:26,320 $9,000. 471 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:37,440 I'm just going to estimate here, $9.2 million, which equates to about 0.14 cents, and that $14,000 472 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:45,220 There are $100,000 of valuation on property in New Blaster, it's about $5 million, which 473 00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:49,460 is equates to $7 per $100,000 of valuation. 474 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:56,440 And you'll see the gray share of 64.7% in New Blaster shares, $35.3%. 475 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,180 And that's going to be important in another slide that I show you in a little bit. 476 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:06,000 And these numbers do include the $53,000 that we extend on the belt education. 477 00:40:08,250 --> 00:40:13,750 So, the major impact that we've worked through, and I do want to commend the board. 478 00:40:14,010 --> 00:40:20,030 I want to commend members of the community to come to the budget hearings, the budget workshops that we've had. 479 00:40:20,570 --> 00:40:25,130 And the discussions that we've had with representatives at the state level as well, 480 00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:30,570 because we really have tried to reach out to them and make our boys heard and regards to things that are going on. 481 00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:35,210 The things they're taking place at the state level that have an impact on the local budgets. 482 00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:43,350 So charter school tuition, we're going to see a reduction of 384,862 dollars in charter school tuition. 483 00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:47,090 That is passed at the House and Senate level at the state. 484 00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:54,550 It's a weighing the governor's signature and it's expected based on an email that we received today from main school management. 485 00:40:55,110 --> 00:41:04,210 But the governor will sign that bill that basically creates revenue for each charter school without the local locals. 486 00:41:04,210 --> 00:41:08,510 local being responsible for a portion of that tuition. 487 00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:16,310 Health insurance, health insurance, we have been budgeting 8% 5% we were really hoping that 488 00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:24,170 we could get in around 5% and we had a 1.8% reduction on our premiums for this year over the cost 489 00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:25,490 of our premiums last year. 490 00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:33,230 It equates to about a savings of $130,000 in health insurance that were able to build 491 00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:36,510 than to the budget for this coming year, which is really good, I mean. 492 00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:43,950 But that being said, we still pay 20% more than districts that have had 0% increases for 493 00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:44,950 the last couple of years. 494 00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:51,490 Our increases were 13% and 9.5% and now we're going to get a 2% reduction, so we're still 495 00:41:51,490 --> 00:41:55,430 out about 20% and more than other some of the districts around that. 496 00:41:56,130 --> 00:42:01,970 Death service, we've read the debt, the bonds, some bonds have been retired, some bonds 497 00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:09,970 been reworked and it equates to about 78, 79,000, 70,000, $652 savings to the district. 498 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:18,110 Also he infules, we were working very closely with our providers and we're able to save 499 00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:24,930 about $95,000 in the budget and the price that we're able to lock in for oil, gas, 500 00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:26,230 diesel, those things. 501 00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:32,830 So those are some significant savings, special education costs, do so in increase of about 502 00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:42,930 438, 439,000,000,000, and that's really IMP driven costs that are associated with special 503 00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:43,830 education students. 504 00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:49,490 And additional, I don't even go into too much detail on how special education is funded in 505 00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:56,370 who's 79, but your initial increases, a dollar of a dollar in your budget is a two-year average, 506 00:42:56,550 --> 00:43:01,870 so you're going to wait a year or two and get some reductions, and then you see some savings, 507 00:43:02,050 --> 00:43:08,130 but initially it's dollar of a dollar. So there's no additional money from the 279 offset. 508 00:43:09,570 --> 00:43:15,330 Our past tuition, which is a Portland-Ply Technical High School, is $70,000 increase, 509 00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:21,750 And I teach a retirement. This is from the state. We contribute now. This is the second 510 00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:27,670 authority that we've had to contribute to main purpose in terms of anyone that eligible, 511 00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:32,350 I say a teacher retirement, but it's also administrators. There are a lot of people that are 512 00:43:32,350 --> 00:43:37,570 eligible for a main state retirement. And our contributions increased by $8,000 this year. 513 00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:43,570 So those are major impacts that we've been able to secure in terms of savings. So we've 514 00:43:43,570 --> 00:43:46,750 will come up, we've had to come up with in terms of expense. 515 00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:52,510 So there are some additions to the budget, and I want to share a few of those with you 516 00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:53,310 these are the big ones. 517 00:43:53,510 --> 00:44:00,050 Our resource room teacher at the high school, 2x tax that are in special education, we have 518 00:44:00,050 --> 00:44:04,130 two outside placements, those are students that are high needs, special education students 519 00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:09,170 that we need to place outside of the district, we do not have the services that meet their 520 00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:20,210 IP needs. We are increasing by 0.4 guidance at the Cated 2 level and that's going to allow us to have a school counselor at Russell school four days a week and a school counselor at Memorial School three days a week. 521 00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:26,430 increased by 0.6 social worker at the K-2 level and that basically provides social work 522 00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:33,010 service that's specific to our self-contained populations at the K-2-4 level. 523 00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:38,070 We've added JV across in the spring of 2016. 524 00:44:38,370 --> 00:44:41,110 We have a lot of students participating in the K-3 across right now. 525 00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:44,610 The board has been through the process of recognizing that as a program. 526 00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:49,710 And we're also increasing field hockey system, a lot of our programs have paid assistance 527 00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:54,510 that work with a field hockey being one of the last in that cycle to fill that assistance 528 00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:55,190 position. 529 00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:59,810 And then we have state events for teacher evaluation, a new teacher evaluation system at the 530 00:44:59,810 --> 00:44:59,970 state level. 531 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:13,060 And I want an app to school program. We have a large increase in the number of students that are participating in app to school activities in the district, and we've offered statements to support the number of those. 532 00:45:13,940 --> 00:45:18,480 We do have some staff reductions. K to two teachers. We've reduced by two teachers. 533 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:25,580 The last couple of years your first talk about the bubble, the population bubble that's been going through at Russell's school in particular. 534 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,260 That group is now moving on to done school. 535 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:34,020 We had a lot of long-compensational principal, Rob and Zeth done school about does he have enough staff to meet the needs? 536 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,420 And it's a one year piece at done school in terms of that really lives population. 537 00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:48,440 And instead of shifting his whole team, you structure up there, they've agreed that they would just take on an extra student or two on each of the five teams to offset the population increase. 538 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:54,960 coming their way. So that's by that's by their work at at the school. And then we've also 539 00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:02,460 reduced by a system principal position at a great loss for a high school. So we'll have 540 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:10,140 a principal and one a system principal as opposed to two. So what's out there, Kenning, as I mentioned, 541 00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:15,640 the charter school funding, we're waiting the governor signature on that and it's important to note 542 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:22,180 that we have not included the cost, the local share, for child schools, which should if the 543 00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:28,840 governor does not sign that legislation will have to find the resources to cover those costs. 544 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:34,200 State subsidy subsidy, you've been hearing a couple of different times that they're really 545 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:42,620 this conversation between the Democrats at the State House to increase the 279 pool, which is our 546 00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:57,480 of the school revenue pool. They were looking at $25 million to that pool of money. And I'm sorry, the Republicans looking to add 25 million Democrats are looking to add 50 million, which will make that pool whole. 547 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:12,440 And as a result of no increase in there, I will know rate has gone from 8.41, 8.48, which is really in the money that I have to raise before we can spend that to 79. 548 00:47:12,620 --> 00:47:19,740 So that's a substantial amount of money when you talk about 30.38 mill rate increase. 549 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,060 That's a lot of that's a substantial amount of money. 550 00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:25,880 So if they add money to that pool, that reduces that even more. 551 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,340 But we don't have that information right now. 552 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,140 We can't count on it, but we'll really have our fingers crossed. 553 00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:35,100 That I would choose to be nice when they really get finalized. 554 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,880 They're we're going to have more subsidy from the state than even what we're showing. 555 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:49,220 So we're really hoping that we'll be able to carry that and the board will have discussions about how we deal with that with the two communities going forward. 556 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,100 We do think in the monitor our kindergarten enrollment that's always a moving target. 557 00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:57,100 We try to get our registrations in as quickly as we can. 558 00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:02,220 So if anyone's out there and hasn't registered their kindergarten student, please do so. 559 00:48:02,420 --> 00:48:06,220 Since we've added pre-case, we're a lot better at it than we used to be. 560 00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:11,180 because we have a lot of so many of those students are already in the school, so we can account for them. 561 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:20,400 And we're still going to go, we're still in negotiations with the teachers and we're in negotiations with the support staff currently. 562 00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:22,800 So those are all pending. 563 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:30,540 I want to share this slide with you because this is a separate article question that will be on the warrant, 564 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,480 and it is to support a school resource officer, 565 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,380 And it's really a partnership that we're trying to, that's being developed with a town of Greg. 566 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:46,960 And this article is written, so that it's contingent on the funds being passed by the town of, by the borders for the town of Greg. 567 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:56,360 And then if the borders pass it within the school budget, then we would be able to put a school resource officer in district next year. 568 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:02,900 So if we look at this, the district is 38 weeks of service, and the town of Gray would 569 00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:08,760 gain 14 weeks of service, and we take the estimates from the County Sheriff's Department. 570 00:49:09,340 --> 00:49:14,340 And so for the district, that would be 99,544 dollars, and that's what we're really focused 571 00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:15,960 on tonight is the district budget. 572 00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:23,620 So the estimated tax impact, if that additional article passes from the school side, would 573 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:33,020 for APA 64.7% that would have a $9 per $100,000 valuation impact on the town of Gray and 574 00:49:33,020 --> 00:49:38,940 have an $8 per $100,000 valuation on the taxpayers of New Gloucester. 575 00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:44,380 Now, the questions on that component law have that slide up there? 576 00:49:45,580 --> 00:49:54,760 Just we just take the opportunity to sort of just discuss the need for a school resource office for maybe just one year. 577 00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:00,680 The principal of the back and principal Klein have requested that position for a few years now. 578 00:50:00,980 --> 00:50:09,460 Just in regard and it really has to do with, you know, the legal challenges that they face, whether it's, you know, 579 00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:18,280 incidents as we've got in students and as we've got in families just yesterday I was up at I was at one of the schools working on a custody case 580 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:26,260 You know and and legal we had to have the sheriff's office come in and and go through the whole court documents with us around that and so 581 00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:31,080 Well, there were a lot of different reasons that that would come in in principle of back in principle 582 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:38,080 applying shared the number of incidences that the sheriffs have been at the school providing 583 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,100 service to the district for, and they had all of the incidents targeted. 584 00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:48,800 So I have said it included, including in the budget, the Board of Directors for the 585 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:54,800 SAD chose to create a separate article that doesn't impact the other programs that are 586 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:55,980 in the budget. 587 00:50:55,980 --> 00:51:01,600 So it's really about the peacefulness of the school, the safety of the school, and creating 588 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:12,920 relationships with students and being able to support students through some challenges 589 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,880 that they face, that I'll leave in nature. 590 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:45,180 I appreciate the reason I brought it up is because we've had our own discussions about, you know, the sheriff that we fund through the town, 40 hours, and there's some shared resources here, and there is an extra demand that takes away from, is it, we scrapped me from the statement by, did, I guess there's a concern that this position drew from the hours that the sheriff was serving. 591 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:46,800 That's where I'm going to tell it. 592 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,160 And you need for this position? 593 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,420 I'm trying to highlight that there is to be legitimacy. 594 00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:54,200 We need for this, in addition to, right? 595 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,090 If we place it all to the Sheriff's Office a lot of time, it's Lucas Hallet. 596 00:51:58,500 --> 00:51:58,820 Yes. 597 00:51:58,820 --> 00:52:02,000 That comes to the school to provide a service to the school. 598 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:07,760 And I think the, the, the, the, the conversation is that that's funding that, 599 00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:11,700 not the Sheriff's Office is a Nestle of Payne for its funding at the town of Grant 600 00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:15,160 of Payne for because they are paying for it for Sheriff Hallet. 601 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,320 Thank you, I was just trying to get a commit that morning. 602 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,760 There was a meeting and that's the relationship, right? 603 00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:22,340 As it pertains to you. 604 00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:23,860 Are you, thank you. 605 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,780 And we have tried, I mean, we have tried a number of years 606 00:52:27,780 --> 00:52:29,600 to fund this to federal funding. 607 00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:32,240 There's always a request for grant money. 608 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,340 And you have tried that, but the three, four years. 609 00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:37,320 And we haven't been unsuccessful. 610 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,920 So a little bit different than communities that have their own police force, 611 00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:43,640 because they can partner with the police force. 612 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:48,180 We are not in that position, we have to look to the couple of kind of sheriffs to be that partner. 613 00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:56,460 The other side of this is these are a first year cost, because the cost do go down significantly in the second year, because they're a stock cost, 614 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:06,460 related to cruisers, and setting up the cruisers with all of the, you know, sirens and radios and all those pieces are in those stock costs. 615 00:53:06,460 --> 00:53:12,200 So, every five years, I mean, you have to re-incure, you know, you have to look at those 616 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:12,600 costs. 617 00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:18,260 But, that this is a model that the sheriff's office has shared with us, that's very productive 618 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:24,820 because it gives the sheriff's department the first of all, you have the same sheriff working 619 00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:30,620 with the school in the community and so it's more of a position that they want, because 620 00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:35,260 they aren't working with the school and then they're in the summer there on the midnight shift 621 00:53:35,260 --> 00:53:41,340 enrichment may, you know, not that that's a company count, but, you know, nobody wants to be up there, you know. 622 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,040 But it's something that they think they may get more, more applicants that want this position, 623 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,780 because they maintain that connection with those struggling students and those struggling families through the summer as well. 624 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,240 And there's always that connection that takes place. 625 00:53:56,380 --> 00:54:00,060 And so it is a program that they, that they're very supportive of. 626 00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:10,760 So we do have it as a part of one of the articles that is a stand-alone kind of article that doesn't impact the rest of the budget if it's not passed at the town level or at the district. 627 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:40,740 The district has had school resource officers in the past. They were through federal funds and they were not they did not they we did not continue to fund the school resources resources and a lot of that had to do 628 00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:46,680 with the personality of a person, if you will, and the success of the person, you know. 629 00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:56,100 And so the funding for this kind of drive-up in it went away, and I think, you know, 630 00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:01,760 it's about, we want our administrators to really be focusing on student learning and educating 631 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:09,520 students in less time on the legal issues that they may have to face within the schools over 632 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:16,580 time. Okay. Thank you. So I do have a couple of upcoming important dates on May 6, the Board 633 00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:21,600 of Directors. This will be working on improving the warrant for posting. And I will get 634 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:28,600 to the two towns after the Board meeting tomorrow evening. On May 18, we chair my talent. 635 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,980 I will be at the New Gloucester town council to present a very similar information to them. 636 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,720 On May 21st is the district budget meeting. And as was mentioned earlier, that's as 637 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,240 and Green Gloucester High School in the cafeteria. 638 00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:43,940 Thanks for registration, stocks at six o'clock. 639 00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:48,100 And then June 9th is the budget validation vote. 640 00:55:50,510 --> 00:55:53,430 So in summary, after two years of top budgets, 641 00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:57,590 and I am pleased to present to the taxpayers 642 00:55:57,590 --> 00:56:01,270 of the two towns, the 1516 budget. 643 00:56:01,350 --> 00:56:03,890 This budget supports existing programs, 644 00:56:04,930 --> 00:56:06,170 as well as new initiatives. 645 00:56:06,370 --> 00:56:07,930 And I do have a few of those. 646 00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:13,290 It supports the performance evaluation and professional growth model for teachers and 647 00:56:13,290 --> 00:56:19,390 principals, which is a state initiative where we redo our evaluation system. 648 00:56:19,810 --> 00:56:23,890 It increases our co-curricular and after school programming and students something that 649 00:56:23,890 --> 00:56:27,650 we really have seen a lot of growth in over the last couple of years. 650 00:56:28,550 --> 00:56:36,030 And it supports a district wide wellness initiative, which includes the pet 651 00:56:36,910 --> 00:56:43,930 opportunities and it increases the physical education and health opportunities, continues to support 652 00:56:43,930 --> 00:56:51,030 pre-K, pre-K, and all day kindergarten, strong response intervention program, for struggling 653 00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:57,330 learning, K-12 Spanish instruction, and the international baccalaureate program is seeing a huge 654 00:56:57,330 --> 00:57:01,650 increase in the number of students. It's been a real benefit to the district that the 655 00:57:01,650 --> 00:57:08,750 that the opportunity that our graduates students have in their post-secondary work, that we 656 00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:14,030 have the district-wide technology integration is a component of this, as well as the 657 00:57:14,030 --> 00:57:19,390 proficiency-based diplomas that were required by state law to have in place by for 658 00:57:19,390 --> 00:57:21,330 graduate students graduating in 2020. 659 00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:25,520 Questions? 660 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,200 This is Bruce Lennon. 661 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:27,980 A lot of questions. 662 00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:32,240 We talked about the decrease in the fund balance carryover, 663 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,680 whether any specific incidents that cause that decrease. 664 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:37,460 I do. 665 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,620 Yeah, those that generally comes from teacher retirement. 666 00:57:41,980 --> 00:57:46,440 So we have a live number of teacher retirement slim from year to year. 667 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,040 And we will re-hier sometimes that it's not expensive. 668 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,840 Sometimes it might be a less experienced teacher, 669 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,100 which would be at the beginning of the scale versus the top of the scale. 670 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:07,840 It could come from just costs that we anticipated in terms of health insurance costs, 671 00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:12,600 or something that we didn't have finalized where we put the budget together last year, 672 00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:16,180 and there are similar things that happen here to year. 673 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,220 thing proper capital maintenance projects that we expected would cost us 674 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,200 ax amount of dollars that don't cost us quite a much so there are a number of 675 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,620 reasons why that would that why that would take place and this year we just 676 00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:33,260 don't have that we didn't have that many retirements so we didn't have that many 677 00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:39,890 projects that cost less than we anticipated snow removal was a huge one this year 678 00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:44,330 year we had we had to put a lot of money into snow removal that we weren't expecting 679 00:58:45,710 --> 00:58:46,990 Only you had that. 680 00:58:46,990 --> 00:58:47,590 Yes, that's right. 681 00:58:47,790 --> 00:58:48,230 You did that. 682 00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:51,410 Okay. 683 00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:52,590 Other questions? 684 00:58:54,410 --> 00:58:54,830 No, no. 685 00:58:55,330 --> 00:58:58,250 I know the pre-K is the program's pretty new. 686 00:58:58,350 --> 00:58:59,830 Is that been successful? 687 00:59:00,630 --> 00:59:07,990 We have 84 registrations for pre-K already, and we basically have every student that's registered 688 00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:09,530 for pre-K is in pre-K. 689 00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:13,170 We have six slots left, and those are on a first come first, 690 00:59:13,170 --> 00:59:20,370 or based the so-if it does a family out there that has a four-year-old they would like to have that four-year-old involved in our pre-K program, 691 00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:28,290 they should get that student registered as soon as possible because it is on a first come first or basis that is point-and-see. 692 00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:28,890 I can tell you. 693 00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:34,390 EGA, EGA, we run about 85-86 students in the pre-K program. 694 00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:40,930 We have families outside of the district that have tuition in their students, into our pre-K program. 695 00:59:40,930 --> 00:59:42,590 That's been very successful. 696 00:59:43,250 --> 00:59:44,110 That's good to hear. 697 00:59:44,730 --> 00:59:46,530 Thanks for putting everything together. 698 00:59:46,550 --> 00:59:48,430 There's a lot of work because into this. 699 00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:53,070 I can test that the time is of all it's here for everyone on the school board. 700 00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:57,150 It's a time drain and it takes a lot of effort. 701 00:59:57,610 --> 00:59:59,510 I appreciate what everybody did. 702 01:00:01,330 --> 01:00:15,490 It was, it was, the, the, the mill rate increase in, in, we're not really unsure where that's going to settle because of the really depends on how much money gets put into that 2.79 pool when everything comes out. 703 01:00:15,830 --> 01:00:23,790 And that can have a huge impact on the district, you know, a month from now when the state budget is settled in terms of actual savings in the school budget. 704 01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:29,390 I'm going to stand here and promise anything, but if that no rate comes down from 8.48, 705 01:00:29,590 --> 01:00:36,610 that could really provide an opportunity for the board to have discussion about what they 706 01:00:36,610 --> 01:00:37,670 do next with that. 707 01:00:38,170 --> 01:00:42,470 So we're really watching that closely, but nothing will be finalized until the governor's 708 01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:47,190 budget, until the state budget is actually acted on. 709 01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:48,410 I appreciate it. 710 01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:54,810 last point is, you know, you have a school board has always done a great job putting these 711 01:00:54,810 --> 01:00:58,670 budgets together and very money conscious and we appreciate it. 712 01:00:58,890 --> 01:01:02,490 You know, I'm looking forward to the results of the Capital Prudent Committee. 713 01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:03,950 Yes. 714 01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:06,130 Schools here. 715 01:01:06,430 --> 01:01:12,130 Just to see how that can ductail into this and we can get some, what I think are some 716 01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:17,970 overdue improvements to be co-curricular, and what exactly is on that real quick map. 717 01:01:17,970 --> 01:01:26,490 They basically have at this point visited all of the buildings and look at all of the components of the Stephen Black report. 718 01:01:27,010 --> 01:01:46,670 So the CIC has met at the Middle School of the High School of Russell School done the school and they've talked about all of the building and infrastructure components on next Monday and they reschedule from last night as Lynn mentioned because of the new gloss to come meeting was last night and we wanted to make sure we had it all of our representatives. 719 01:01:46,670 --> 01:01:49,250 as much of our representation there as we could. 720 01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:55,190 And so the next agenda is really to start to talk about the field space and the field 721 01:01:55,190 --> 01:02:00,010 use and what should that field design look like going forward. 722 01:02:00,190 --> 01:02:04,310 So the thoughts that build into a recommendation and some possible... 723 01:02:04,310 --> 01:02:07,970 The committee will make our recommendation to the Board of Directors and then the 724 01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:13,690 Board of Directors will be responsible for what's developing the next Board of Directors. 725 01:02:17,210 --> 01:02:23,130 It's a very thorough meeting, it's very efficient, and it we touch on every thing. 726 01:02:23,970 --> 01:02:29,370 And I feel it's very healthy discussion, not everyone agrees, and we dissect everything. 727 01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:33,410 So I'm really encouraged to see the outcome from that, so it'll be exciting. 728 01:02:34,610 --> 01:02:35,270 Thank you. 729 01:02:35,610 --> 01:02:36,710 That's great. 730 01:02:37,310 --> 01:02:37,990 Great. 731 01:02:38,930 --> 01:02:43,150 I don't have any questions, I do have a couple of comments. 732 01:02:44,850 --> 01:02:49,870 I was pleasantly surprised at the numbers. 733 01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:59,930 I think it shows that there was a conscious effort on everybody's part to be as conservative 734 01:02:59,930 --> 01:03:02,190 as you possibly can be. 735 01:03:02,190 --> 01:03:07,190 And I think we all know that the important thing is to work to 736 01:03:08,170 --> 01:03:09,590 to fiscal sustainability. 737 01:03:10,930 --> 01:03:14,330 It's not going to do any of us any good to build the 738 01:03:14,330 --> 01:03:17,090 municipal system or a school system that we can't simply 739 01:03:17,090 --> 01:03:19,110 can't afford to maintain. 740 01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:23,850 And so I'm happy with that. 741 01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:26,510 I mean, it's obviously a lot of work when into it. 742 01:03:26,650 --> 01:03:32,970 And obviously good news about the charter schools. 743 01:03:32,970 --> 01:03:41,710 It was a pleasant email to get leaked, that's the new name, because that's going to obviously make a world a different sort of law. 744 01:03:42,050 --> 01:03:47,130 Well, for us, it just solidified what we built, how we had built the budget. 745 01:03:47,290 --> 01:03:52,710 You know, we anticipated that that was going to happen, but there was really wasn't a lot of action taking place at the state level. 746 01:03:52,890 --> 01:03:58,670 So to have the House and the Senate both passed that legislation and now get the news that it's anticipated. 747 01:03:58,670 --> 01:04:04,590 anticipate that the government will sign that legislation. That's what we hope in what we put 748 01:04:04,590 --> 01:04:05,490 the budget together. 749 01:04:06,270 --> 01:04:09,190 I mean, you know, and I think there's a different applause, because I think, I mean, 750 01:04:09,310 --> 01:04:15,370 it's a level where I think we're looking at not too long from now to the point where we're 751 01:04:15,370 --> 01:04:21,810 looking at squat from the state. We're going to figure out how to make up for that last 752 01:04:21,810 --> 01:04:25,050 funds somewhat, and you can get out of them. 753 01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:26,050 Okay. 754 01:04:27,310 --> 01:04:32,830 And it really does speak to the fact that, you know, to the taxpayers of gray in the 755 01:04:32,830 --> 01:04:36,650 New Gloucester and the support that the two councils have given to this budgeting process 756 01:04:36,650 --> 01:04:41,490 because we understand that the last two years were pretty tough. 757 01:04:42,030 --> 01:04:46,650 And the fact that we, you know, that we were supported, and then we didn't have to look 758 01:04:46,650 --> 01:04:51,790 at program impact and big program cuts and things like that, really speak to them. 759 01:04:51,790 --> 01:04:57,650 to the value and understanding of what the education and the school system the impact that 760 01:04:57,650 --> 01:05:02,430 that has on the two communities because it is significant and if we started to have to take 761 01:05:02,430 --> 01:05:09,950 away it would be very difficult. It would create a lot of challenge. So thanks to everyone 762 01:05:09,950 --> 01:05:15,770 that has supported over the last couple of years the learning and the school system. 763 01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:16,970 That's a good question. 764 01:05:16,970 --> 01:05:17,210 Thanks a little. 765 01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:25,950 Health insurance Bruce could you elaborate a little further on the decrease this year and why 766 01:05:25,950 --> 01:05:33,370 we are so much higher than perhaps the other schools in the immediate area? 767 01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:40,730 This is the third year of the year that we're going into where three years ago we each 768 01:05:40,730 --> 01:05:43,310 school district became their own pool. 769 01:05:43,530 --> 01:05:47,650 Prior to that, the entire state was one pool. 770 01:05:47,870 --> 01:05:51,630 So if you are a district that had some tough lock in terms 771 01:05:52,930 --> 01:05:58,850 of some staff members, then it is significant medical coverage, 772 01:05:59,570 --> 01:06:03,510 then your rates were impacted by that as opposed 773 01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:06,290 to having spread out over the entire state. 774 01:06:06,290 --> 01:06:12,750 So being our own pool, we had a high, you know, three or four high, you know, 775 01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:20,230 incidences and that meant that we, our rating was high and so as a rate of as a result 776 01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:25,390 of our rating being high, then our rates were higher than maybe a neighboring district. 777 01:06:26,030 --> 01:06:27,770 So this year, 778 01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:35,370 our rating is not as significant and so we're starting to see some reduction 779 01:06:35,370 --> 01:06:38,590 in two of those last two years of having those high incidents. 780 01:06:39,330 --> 01:06:42,450 And so we hope that we continue to work backwards now 781 01:06:42,450 --> 01:06:44,590 in terms of how our impact is. 782 01:06:44,910 --> 01:06:47,710 But the bottom line is, instead of being one big pool, 783 01:06:47,830 --> 01:06:50,950 state of Maine, now we're just a pool of SAD 15. 784 01:06:51,230 --> 01:06:55,530 So if we have some significant situations in district 785 01:06:55,530 --> 01:06:57,470 than it impacts our rating. 786 01:06:57,990 --> 01:07:00,490 Why was the big pool done away with, you know? 787 01:07:00,930 --> 01:07:03,550 Because, well, that's an interesting conversation. 788 01:07:03,550 --> 01:07:08,790 And it was, people were looking, there were districts that wanted their own rating, their districts 789 01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:12,590 are really like what they, you know, like the zero percent increase. 790 01:07:12,830 --> 01:07:18,310 And so they petitioned the state and there was legislation that passed that created that 791 01:07:18,310 --> 01:07:20,690 opportunity to have your own rating. 792 01:07:21,070 --> 01:07:26,070 And so the MEA benefits trust and played into how they, you know, they get, you know, 793 01:07:26,070 --> 01:07:29,350 because people were going to want it to go off and shop their insurance rates. 794 01:07:29,350 --> 01:07:35,970 And so, I mean, if it's trust, you know, how they can let no one fall with it, it was really through state law. 795 01:07:36,210 --> 01:07:39,930 There were districts that, you know, realize that they would be charged 8% increases, 796 01:07:39,930 --> 01:07:46,530 and they had no, no big exposure, so they were looking to save money within their own communities around that. 797 01:07:46,850 --> 01:07:47,370 Understandably. 798 01:07:48,530 --> 01:07:56,310 I just wanted to say to you, Intina, that as a taxpayer, I appreciate all your efforts to, as Lou said, 799 01:07:56,310 --> 01:08:00,750 keep the budget conservative and it's a good break after three years of 800 01:08:00,750 --> 01:08:04,530 family significant to the tax increases so thanks very much. 801 01:08:05,610 --> 01:08:08,750 And I will say that not that we need to compare to how the district's 802 01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:12,710 runs because it's our education system is supporting our students and our 803 01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:15,490 learning but there are a lot of districts that are really struggling because they 804 01:08:15,490 --> 01:08:20,370 lost money into seven national, our increase in 279 is pretty minimal at this point. 805 01:08:20,690 --> 01:08:24,670 But there are districts that lost half a million dollars in 279 and it makes the 806 01:08:24,670 --> 01:08:27,550 significant changes today, but it has a result for that. 807 01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:29,190 So we're in pretty good shape. 808 01:08:29,210 --> 01:08:30,590 We feel a bit about where we're at. 809 01:08:30,710 --> 01:08:31,970 We appreciate this support. 810 01:08:32,290 --> 01:08:32,530 Thanks again. 811 01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:35,670 We're saying you said a couple of quick points as well. 812 01:08:36,970 --> 01:08:43,530 You know, I'm amazed frequently when I get to look at the different schools, the way the kids are advancing, 813 01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:49,670 what they seem to be doing in all levels from the lower schools, through the middle school, through the high school. 814 01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:53,150 You know, I'm looking at such things as the science fair, which is upcoming. 815 01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:56,550 You know, at the different school levels, we're going to throw a wide 816 01:08:56,550 --> 01:09:00,750 X-Team, which is going up and being very well received and highly regarded 817 01:09:00,750 --> 01:09:03,770 at this on the state of recent champions at a competition. 818 01:09:04,770 --> 01:09:09,530 You know, the kids with the Verizon app challenge winning that, you know, you 819 01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:12,950 think about all this emphasis that folks place on these, you know, the science 820 01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:17,470 technology, engineering and mathematics approaches, and the kids are really 821 01:09:17,470 --> 01:09:17,810 succeed. 822 01:09:18,190 --> 01:09:22,410 Well, it's great to see it district wide, and obviously they're not just developing 823 01:09:22,410 --> 01:09:26,790 that skill and the tense grade, you know, they're starting at the K level and working all the 824 01:09:26,790 --> 01:09:27,050 way through. 825 01:09:27,170 --> 01:09:31,370 We just to see that move and I think that's a huge advancement in there. 826 01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:35,530 I think part of that is that whole, you know, scanner space, the approach that you've been 827 01:09:35,530 --> 01:09:40,770 doing to allow kids to work and advance when instead of being stuck to the same old 828 01:09:40,770 --> 01:09:45,210 paradigm that, you know, many of us all grew up with in the educational field, kind of, I 829 01:09:45,210 --> 01:09:47,090 just think that's a huge accomplishment. 830 01:09:47,650 --> 01:09:52,170 I have the opportunity to talk with some folks just about the IV program and their kids are 831 01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:55,890 and they're talking about how high these kids are working. 832 01:09:57,690 --> 01:10:01,630 But I can't say this to you, but I'm not sympathetic. 833 01:10:02,490 --> 01:10:03,730 That's what they're there for. 834 01:10:04,170 --> 01:10:07,410 And it's because of that, that you're challenging them 835 01:10:07,410 --> 01:10:10,130 to make them better and more prepared when they do, 836 01:10:10,210 --> 01:10:12,990 eventually move on to where they go to from here. 837 01:10:13,130 --> 01:10:15,390 But I think that's huge, that's a challenging 838 01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:16,830 students to do that. 839 01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:20,490 But I also had the opportunity in the joint leaders meeting 840 01:10:20,490 --> 01:10:23,970 on Friday to hear, you know, all the accomplices from the while the site and the 841 01:10:23,970 --> 01:10:28,470 pep grant and where that has been going forward and looking at the summer programming 842 01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:33,050 and seeing that in action, you know, with, you know, with, you know, with, you know, 843 01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:37,370 with, you know, with Calvin and with Paula and the work they do with the middle school 844 01:10:37,370 --> 01:10:40,390 and going through the high school and the successes that they're having. 845 01:10:40,970 --> 01:10:44,670 You know, so you see really looking, and I think the district is hugely, 846 01:10:46,170 --> 01:10:51,410 exceeding and looking at the student and his entirety, you know, from the classroom as well as 847 01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:57,910 outside of the classroom to try to help them be, you know, well educated, but also healthy 848 01:10:58,890 --> 01:11:04,410 folks and you're succeeding. So I can ask you that and to see the fact that you're actually 849 01:11:04,410 --> 01:11:09,750 doing it in a cost effective manner is to you, you know, you said it greatly. I mean, 850 01:11:09,930 --> 01:11:13,930 the past two years have been incredible challenges. Most of those challenges have been 851 01:11:13,930 --> 01:11:17,470 external to the district, where someone else has handed you the bill. 852 01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:21,750 So I think, you know, it's a celebration that she had to do with nothing. 853 01:11:22,250 --> 01:11:23,290 I mean, I've watched some of your meetings, 854 01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:25,710 and I know that you haven't received a lot of public input, 855 01:11:26,170 --> 01:11:29,850 but that's generally because I think folks are quite satisfied with, 856 01:11:30,290 --> 01:11:31,590 you know, your work as well as the board. 857 01:11:31,850 --> 01:11:34,510 I just want to talk about just a couple of highlights. 858 01:11:34,770 --> 01:11:35,890 I don't mean take all of your evening. 859 01:11:36,030 --> 01:11:37,530 But some of those prep-grained opportunities. 860 01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:42,350 I mean, we just had a group of high school kids that did some back 861 01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:46,590 country hiking and skiing up at a 862 01:11:46,590 --> 01:11:49,410 attack of Mr. Reen, our model, Washington, and they come back and you 863 01:11:49,410 --> 01:11:52,150 you know, I pull those kids aside when I see him at the 864 01:11:52,150 --> 01:11:55,610 high school, and I said, it was the best opportunity 865 01:11:56,230 --> 01:11:59,110 that we've really had to go up there. They absolutely 866 01:11:59,610 --> 01:12:01,870 loved it. They wanted to be right in the middle of it 867 01:12:01,870 --> 01:12:04,830 when the ambulance watched was at the highest point. 868 01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:08,830 You know, Paul and Calvin kept, you know, she probably got the 869 01:12:08,830 --> 01:12:15,710 the precautionary fall. She was very, you know, she was not really, but group of middle school kids 870 01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:24,310 going down to bike on a cage coming up and just opportunities that the pet grand is offering. 871 01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:31,370 And we are working in joint leaders with the local rectipyments to make the resources available 872 01:12:31,370 --> 01:12:37,730 to the rectipyments so that they can offer opportunities in terms of kayaking or biking or whatever 873 01:12:37,730 --> 01:12:42,330 the resources that we have through that background, which is the intent that there's a community 874 01:12:42,330 --> 01:12:43,390 component to it. 875 01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:46,430 So that's some of the work that we're taking on through jointly. 876 01:12:46,770 --> 01:12:51,210 So a lot of exciting stuff happening, a lot of great opportunities, stuff that we're very 877 01:12:51,210 --> 01:12:52,170 proud of. 878 01:12:52,270 --> 01:12:55,690 And so I think we're pleased with the budget that we're able to present, because we do 879 01:12:55,690 --> 01:12:58,690 know the impact that this whole budget has had for the last couple of years. 880 01:12:59,250 --> 01:13:05,010 We're looking forward to coming out on the 21st and extra vote, everybody else. 881 01:13:05,150 --> 01:13:05,910 So thank you very much. 882 01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:06,230 Thank you. 883 01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:07,450 Well, that is always. 884 01:13:07,730 --> 01:13:07,790 All right. 885 01:13:08,010 --> 01:13:08,790 Thanks, Bruce. 886 01:13:12,570 --> 01:13:17,530 You know, it reads the order of business on the agenda, and we have three orders this evening. 887 01:13:18,230 --> 01:13:28,050 Of the person's number 92-15, and this is three view and act upon authorizing the town manager to sign the form for establishing it proposed by a fighter's bargaining unit. 888 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:30,920 So, move. 889 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:31,700 Next, Peter. 890 01:13:32,140 --> 01:13:32,820 Second, move. 891 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:33,400 In discussion. 892 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:35,140 Question. 893 01:13:35,140 --> 01:13:36,340 Public Jim. 894 01:13:45,940 --> 01:13:46,520 Well, concern. 895 01:13:46,860 --> 01:13:48,980 We can roll down the grid. 896 01:13:50,380 --> 01:13:53,480 When I saw this article, Coach, I immediately had a hot pot. 897 01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:56,660 Are we talking about a union here? 898 01:13:56,860 --> 01:13:57,880 Yes, sir. 899 01:13:58,420 --> 01:13:59,900 When this all started happening. 900 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,120 It's the first time we came aware of it when I saw this. 901 01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:04,400 Yep. 902 01:14:04,980 --> 01:14:05,900 And I said, what's this deal? 903 01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:09,340 How come we have now have to have union in our town? 904 01:14:09,420 --> 01:14:10,800 Are we treating our employees that bad? 905 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,800 They have to go get an army union? 906 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:19,520 There may be, you can give general technology a lesson, let us know the number that we have 907 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,140 of folks who are joining the union. 908 01:14:22,180 --> 01:14:28,400 There are three members that have filed a petition, statutory, they have a right to 909 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:42,780 the file, and basically we initially met in an executive session, the council with our 910 01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:50,800 advised by our town attorney as well as his partners that basically they have a right to do this. 911 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:59,620 Where's all the detail? I mean, I have a background in unions. I just have a bodyguard, quite frankly, some of my work. 912 01:15:02,460 --> 01:15:10,880 I'm just bringing that up. I mean, I know the dark side too. But what I saw on the website, certainly, was not a complete agreement. 913 01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:17,980 It's very simple to say bargaining unit. There's a lot more in these agreements. I mean, to these people have the right not to go to a fire. 914 01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:28,880 I mean, what else was in the agreement? I think before the town, at least as a citizen, our town is getting into a situation. Now we have union firefighters, my correct. 915 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:34,140 We're going to have Jungian town staff, I mean. 916 01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,920 Why did we have to have a Jungian in the first place? 917 01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:39,600 This is not an agreement. 918 01:15:40,260 --> 01:15:49,300 This is basically signing the form to acknowledge or to authorize them to establish the Jungian. 919 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:50,300 The unit. 920 01:15:50,340 --> 01:15:55,020 There is no bargaining agreement that none of that has happened at all. 921 01:15:55,020 --> 01:15:59,000 Say that carefully, because what this is. 922 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:03,160 They're signing a form to establish a bargaining unit. 923 01:16:03,220 --> 01:16:06,140 Okay, stop right there. You're establishing a bargaining unit. 924 01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:21,420 The three firefighters have petitioned to this state, and there is a form that we sign basically saying that we recognize that they want to establish a union. 925 01:16:21,420 --> 01:16:26,020 They want to establish, but is it established or not establish by executing the stocking? 926 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:31,100 They have the right then from this point they will vote. There's three of them. 927 01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:34,060 They'll be voting in whether they form their own union. 928 01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,260 And what union will that be? Who will you be dealing with their agent? 929 01:16:40,780 --> 01:16:41,740 Who is their agent? 930 01:16:41,860 --> 01:16:43,520 I look at that signature on that document. 931 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:45,740 And quite frankly, I don't think you will. 932 01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:47,020 I don't know a little bit here, slow down. 933 01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:48,380 I'm not going to slow down. 934 01:16:48,740 --> 01:16:49,540 But I'll talk softer. 935 01:16:49,540 --> 01:16:58,680 That we just need 20 or a chance to answer some questions as you bring it forward, so instead of asking like three questions I wanted to just let her 936 01:16:58,680 --> 01:16:59,560 I'm sorry. 937 01:17:00,260 --> 01:17:00,620 I'm sorry. 938 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:01,360 You can't keep up. 939 01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:03,600 It's not on that document. 940 01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:04,860 It's on the website. 941 01:17:06,460 --> 01:17:13,700 When you get to the signature page, I say you can't sign that document because there's a bunch of scribbles there. 942 01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:18,400 But whoever signed that, we don't know who it is. 943 01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:25,740 Jim, it says on the form, the gentleman's name is Michael J. Krauss. He's the service rep for the International Association of Firefighters. 944 01:17:25,740 --> 01:17:29,180 That's not done by the signature section that I saw on the web. I didn't see. 945 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:34,440 Well, what we have right here is this signed by Michael J. Krauss. 946 01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:38,860 I don't know, maybe we're looking at something different, but I'm just looking at what I saw on the web today, shall. 947 01:17:39,420 --> 01:17:40,640 Well, I don't care if you're telling me Sarah. 948 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:45,840 Yeah, that's the representative for that. 949 01:17:45,940 --> 01:17:46,920 So what's the next step? 950 01:17:49,100 --> 01:18:00,920 The next step is that they will vote the three members whether or not they want to establish a union and then at that point they'll decide whether or not they want to negotiate a contract. 951 01:18:03,330 --> 01:18:15,890 So currently we have the employees we have a budget that we have established but there has been no indication to us that they want any different benefits or a contract with the town. 952 01:18:16,110 --> 01:18:19,390 All they're doing at this time is establishing a unit. 953 01:18:21,570 --> 01:18:31,990 I just would encourage, I'm not comfortable that it's a, I think the situation of a more advanced than must being put forth, otherwise it wouldn't start in the first place. 954 01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:34,130 So I'll go back to my original question. 955 01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:42,900 Why would these people feel motivated or unnecessary to form a union in our town? 956 01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:49,600 Generally unions are formed from dissatisfaction or some negative experience. That's a normal thing. 957 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:56,160 And yes, maybe unions are formed for some other reasons too, but usually it's a matter that there's some dissatisfaction 958 01:18:56,160 --> 01:19:01,640 with current situation and I'm just wondering why did they want to form a union in the first place? 959 01:19:02,140 --> 01:19:05,780 Well, to be honest with you, Jim, that's kind of a question that we can't ask. 960 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:18,960 When they come forward and state that they want to establish a union, as you know, I mean, you've got, you probably have a year as much more experience than the rest of us when it comes to dealing with unions in general. 961 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:24,620 But when they came forward and said that they want to do it, we pretty much don't have the ability to sit down and say, 962 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:29,940 what do you want to do that for? It's more or less they've said they want to do that. 963 01:19:30,180 --> 01:19:37,960 And we have not very much choice in the matter as far as we have based on what attorneys have advised us. 964 01:19:38,580 --> 01:19:44,600 If they decided that that's the truth that they want to take, that's the right to be able to do that. 965 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:53,100 I completely understand what you said, although I will go back to my original comment that 966 01:19:53,100 --> 01:20:00,360 there has to be some reason, maybe you can't ask them to ask yourself, why did these people 967 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:04,240 feel the necessity to organize a union? 968 01:20:05,980 --> 01:20:10,800 So, me, that's a fundamental question, maybe you don't ask them to legally ask them directly. 969 01:20:11,340 --> 01:20:14,900 But there's a lot of ways to find help, much to need to know. 970 01:20:16,780 --> 01:20:21,280 I think it's a sad case when they feel compelled to form a union. 971 01:20:22,180 --> 01:20:26,400 I see when the seed is planted and they start because now they can demand. 972 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:27,820 Now we're in negotiation. 973 01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:29,960 Well, it becomes demands from their side. 974 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:31,860 Now you have town staff. 975 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,140 I mean, to me, there's just a first step down a very slippery slope. 976 01:20:35,700 --> 01:20:37,200 Where the town will be all union. 977 01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:39,200 Everybody, back to the Department of Old Year. 978 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,980 And I think it's a sad commentary on the community 979 01:20:41,980 --> 01:20:44,660 when they feel the need for me to thank you. 980 01:20:44,860 --> 01:20:45,420 Thank you. 981 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:46,600 I appreciate your comments, Jim. 982 01:20:46,820 --> 01:20:47,300 Thank you. 983 01:20:57,900 --> 01:21:00,180 I think you have a signature on the signature line, 984 01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,680 but I don't think you can read it. 985 01:21:01,700 --> 01:21:02,440 Can you read it? 986 01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:03,360 Yeah, we can. 987 01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,400 Maybe the copy that you have is not there. 988 01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:07,340 Well, what's on the web, would you mind if I see it? 989 01:21:07,340 --> 01:21:07,620 Sure. 990 01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:10,080 Peter, can you show you how you have 991 01:21:12,580 --> 01:21:12,640 it? 992 01:21:13,020 --> 01:21:15,660 So, I'll come and have a different document on the web. 993 01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:17,340 Because we can not read that. 994 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,120 It was all terrible. 995 01:21:22,660 --> 01:21:25,560 I can't testify as much as you looked at, but I didn't know. 996 01:21:26,220 --> 01:21:29,680 I'm sure we have the same documents because it's very frustrating for the public. 997 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,520 If we come in and prepare what one thing, and we have a different document in front of you, 998 01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,800 that doesn't make it a fair thank you. 999 01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:43,230 So what kind of money have you set aside? 1000 01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:44,610 What is it for? 1001 01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:48,070 You just said that you set aside some money for this situation? 1002 01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:54,010 We did we did not know I thought that's what was just said. What was just said then no, we made it. We 1003 01:21:54,010 --> 01:21:55,670 fabricated this year's budget 1004 01:21:56,610 --> 01:22:03,130 Under the same terms as we had all along. There's no allowances in there for an increase in wages or anything along those lines 1005 01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:05,950 Why if he's written like that? 1006 01:22:06,630 --> 01:22:11,610 Outside of what we've already spent at this year was included in this year's budget. You know, this year's legal fees, but no, 1007 01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:18,050 that's a 1008 01:22:18,050 --> 01:22:22,650 of the spelling of your name in that document? Your name was misspelled in that document. 1009 01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:25,590 I don't know if you know that. But again, that's the one I saw on the web. 1010 01:22:25,690 --> 01:22:27,090 The capital B in the mail? 1011 01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:27,830 Yep. 1012 01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:34,800 That means she didn't be an accurate document with the correct spelling. 1013 01:22:35,780 --> 01:22:39,060 So, I mean, I don't want to pick it up, but I'm just saying that. 1014 01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:49,300 So, what I, there's no other documentation that's behind this at all. There's no, well, 1015 01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:57,560 We have this part of the union, these semis would need to be addressed, or these kinds of wages. 1016 01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:03,300 What happens if we want to wage the man, what happens if and what happens if we decide to strike, 1017 01:23:03,940 --> 01:23:10,180 what happens to sit a town of citizens, you know, in a city of Portland or any place else in the city, 1018 01:23:10,460 --> 01:23:14,460 you have the units that can come in and take care, the unit that is on strike. 1019 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:27,380 We don't have any of that, so, you know, for the last two weeks, I find it very strange that the fire trucks and messier kept them going up at 100 constantly all day long. 1020 01:23:28,100 --> 01:23:30,280 Twice a day on Sundays and once a day. 1021 01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,640 So, I found that that was, you know, a lot of activity. 1022 01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:40,920 So, what we do in our work, what we do in some other townswork, it mentioned earlier, Cumlin. 1023 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:46,240 You know, there was a major five in the woods in Raymond, you know, so all of this stuff, 1024 01:23:46,380 --> 01:23:51,200 but thinking about and what happens when these guys run a strike, so what happens 1025 01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:57,740 to the town, and that's who she would happen eventually because she can negotiate or, I mean, 1026 01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:58,600 we all know that. 1027 01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:01,000 I mean, just about every union strikes at some time or another. 1028 01:24:01,740 --> 01:24:06,380 And so I think that these are kinds of things that there's nothing in writing, huh? 1029 01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:08,160 None says address anything at all. 1030 01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:12,820 Can I just offer to provide some info for you? 1031 01:24:13,140 --> 01:24:20,600 All of this item is here, is stating that these folks have the ability that we've identified them as an appropriate unit. 1032 01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:29,880 After that point, the gentleman who are eligible to vote for it, need to decide if they want to actually act and establishing it. 1033 01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,300 That's what this document that we have here this evening is about. 1034 01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:41,660 After they go on that, then from that point forward, then you'd be getting it to some of the other issues that you identified as far as a contract and things going forward. 1035 01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:46,460 As far as striking and not responding to a fire, I don't believe that's actually illegal. 1036 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:56,400 But I mean, if that year's where it worked, Portland firefighters haven't had contracts and they still responded to fires and emergencies as it goes along. 1037 01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,220 But that's a whole different thing. 1038 01:24:58,220 --> 01:25:08,220 And just as a quick point of clarification, I just called up the agenda packet for this nice meeting and see exact same document that we have here that you that you looked at. 1039 01:25:09,140 --> 01:25:13,340 I'm not sure what I'm not sure the resolution on your TV screen or the computer screen may be better. 1040 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:14,400 I'm looking at the same thing. 1041 01:25:14,420 --> 01:25:16,440 Just let, you know, is that readable on my screen? 1042 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,160 You haven't had any problem. 1043 01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:19,080 I don't think it is. 1044 01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:23,440 I should have taken it out because I, you know, again, we couldn't have read that signature at all. 1045 01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:24,580 And I could read it on paper. 1046 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,660 I'll say it's not the need of signature I've ever seen, but 1047 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,920 What happens if you don't sign this tonight? 1048 01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,280 We really don't have much of a choice, but to 1049 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,280 But to go forward with it 1050 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:44,320 You don't have any choice, why is it on the agenda then? Why do you involve them? 1051 01:25:44,500 --> 01:25:48,700 Because people, yes or no, on an action item, you can vote no. 1052 01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,840 So if you vote no, what's the consequence? 1053 01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,760 I mean, what's the situation? 1054 01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:57,220 I mean, I just wanted to know what's the importance of this. 1055 01:25:57,340 --> 01:25:58,820 Can we move the question, please? 1056 01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:04,020 I mean, bottom line is if we go in favor or against it, 1057 01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,980 they still have the right to do it. 1058 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,060 But we have to formally act on this. 1059 01:26:08,300 --> 01:26:08,800 What are we the other? 1060 01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:10,720 Well, okay. 1061 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:11,860 I don't, okay. 1062 01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:13,400 I don't think so. 1063 01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:14,840 That, thanks for your questions. 1064 01:26:16,380 --> 01:26:18,620 Here has made the motion to move the questions there. 1065 01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:20,720 So that's a fine time. 1066 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:29,040 We have a motion, and we have a second, all in favor. 1067 01:26:30,860 --> 01:26:31,180 Opposed. 1068 01:26:32,100 --> 01:26:32,800 I just want that, Nancy. 1069 01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:33,840 Thank you. 1070 01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:34,100 Thank you. 1071 01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:39,040 You get back to my schedule here. 1072 01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,200 And number 90, three that took me in. 1073 01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:43,960 This is to view an act upon application. 1074 01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,820 But Patriots are to up to run two fields behind me, 1075 01:26:46,900 --> 01:26:49,520 being regularly occurring basis. 1076 01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:53,520 And this looks like it is striding on Sundays from January. 1077 01:26:53,520 --> 01:27:00,020 on July 21st through August 2nd, is that July 21st at June 21st? 1078 01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,100 Yeah, sorry, that should take June 21st. 1079 01:27:11,180 --> 01:27:13,200 It didn't even move on there for women days. 1080 01:27:14,220 --> 01:27:17,800 So it should take June 21st on that. 1081 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:24,680 Through August 2nd on Tuesdays and Thursdays starting April 20th, 28th. 1082 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,640 You got two or three different questions here? 1083 01:27:29,780 --> 01:27:30,120 Okay. 1084 01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:44,630 That is okay. So I'm going to add this here. So we're looking at starting on June 21st through August 2nd. 1085 01:27:45,490 --> 01:27:50,630 And that is Sunday night 6 a.m. 1086 01:27:50,630 --> 01:27:56,190 Yeah. Yeah. The agenda says, you know, July 21st, but it actually is June 21st. Yeah. 1087 01:27:56,570 --> 01:28:02,630 But I have a position on the second one was starting on April 28th. 1088 01:28:03,970 --> 01:28:11,270 And on Tuesdays and Thursdays, Tuesdays through June 9th. And then on starting June, 1089 01:28:11,650 --> 01:28:17,290 let's see, April 30th through June 11th on Thursdays, both times been from 5.38. 1090 01:28:17,290 --> 01:28:17,670 Thank 1091 01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:27,490 you. 1092 01:28:27,490 --> 01:28:27,770 Thank you. 1093 01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:29,350 Any discussion? 1094 01:28:30,130 --> 01:28:31,950 I think there are another. 1095 01:28:31,950 --> 01:28:32,870 There are another page. 1096 01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:35,050 8, 3, 2, 10, 30. 1097 01:28:35,290 --> 01:28:36,710 No, sorry, did I miss one? 1098 01:28:37,710 --> 01:28:38,150 Thanks. 1099 01:28:39,090 --> 01:28:40,730 And then we have the other one. 1100 01:28:40,950 --> 01:28:43,090 We can be so kind of instrument. 1101 01:28:43,670 --> 01:28:45,790 8, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1. 1102 01:28:45,790 --> 01:28:46,950 I guess third. 1103 01:28:47,650 --> 01:28:48,770 I'll talk to over 30. 1104 01:28:50,250 --> 01:28:50,970 That's enough. 1105 01:28:51,670 --> 01:28:52,210 That's enough. 1106 01:28:52,350 --> 01:28:52,750 That's enough, as well. 1107 01:28:56,150 --> 01:28:57,750 Okay, the first date. 1108 01:28:58,590 --> 01:28:58,670 Okay. 1109 01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:03,740 Okay. 1110 01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:04,340 Okay. 1111 01:29:06,220 --> 01:29:07,540 Is there a second on that? 1112 01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:08,520 Just on the correct motion. 1113 01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:11,340 Can I say anything? 1114 01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:11,500 Good. 1115 01:29:11,580 --> 01:29:12,700 The main theme is. 1116 01:29:12,700 --> 01:29:15,980 And the key there is to have the few waived. 1117 01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:19,010 So any discussion? 1118 01:29:20,890 --> 01:29:21,610 A home favorite. 1119 01:29:22,570 --> 01:29:27,510 Sorry, sir, as easy as we said, or more easily done the setup I guess. 1120 01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:29,930 Thank you. 1121 01:29:30,370 --> 01:29:35,230 And the last there, we have 94-15, and this is tribute and act upon an application by name, 1122 01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:39,590 Junior Volleyball to rent the new beginning Museum on a regularly accruing basis. 1123 01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:44,590 And that would be starting on May 18, going through August 12. 1124 01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:45,890 So moved. 1125 01:29:46,050 --> 01:29:46,310 Thanks. 1126 01:29:46,590 --> 01:29:47,290 Sir, second. 1127 01:29:49,230 --> 01:29:49,730 Any discussion? 1128 01:29:49,730 --> 01:29:59,110 This is a kind of gray organization I assume, because it's a different name. 1129 01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:12,060 It's not a great John happens to live in gray, but there are players from all over. 1130 01:30:15,170 --> 01:30:15,650 Okay. 1131 01:30:15,650 --> 01:30:18,730 That was one of my roles. 1132 01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:23,410 If they've been a consistent client, who's here, he's in the space. 1133 01:30:24,810 --> 01:30:25,830 That's why I'm looking for a second. 1134 01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:26,890 any further discussion? 1135 01:30:28,090 --> 01:30:28,450 All in favour? 1136 01:30:29,930 --> 01:30:31,230 Roger on that answer. 1137 01:30:32,510 --> 01:30:35,510 We now release the e-quarter visits, 1138 01:30:38,060 --> 01:30:40,180 and I'd like to act motion at this council adjourn. 1139 01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:42,180 Is there a second?