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Good afternoon everyone and welcome to. The July 13th meeting

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of the town of Halton Halls Council. We have a

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motion from Councillor Albano and seconded by Councillor Keane that

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the Council for the Town of Halton Hills reconvene this

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meeting in open session, all in favor. That's carried. Now

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I want to let people know that this is a

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hybrid meeting held in the Council Chambers. And being live

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streamed for members of the public to watch online. And

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we have Councillor Fogle, Councillor Somerville and Councillor Engels attending

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virtually. And I would like to remind members in the

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gallery that photos of recording devices are not allowed to

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be used in the Council Chambers. The recording of today's

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meeting along with STAP Presentations will be posted to the

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town's website. Later on this week. So while we've read

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everyone to stand now for O Canada.

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To. God.

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And we begin. By acknowledging. That the land. On which

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we gather is part of. The treating lens. And territory

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of. The Mississaugas of the credit. Are. There any disclosures

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of pecuniary interest or conflict of interest. I see none.

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Thank you. Now we have some announcements today. And I

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would first like to invite Councillor Norris. If you have

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some things that you want to let people know about.

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Yes, and thank you, Mayor. Two announcements. First announcement is

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downtown Georgetown is a vibrant shopping district known for its

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unique architecture and festivals in the area stores and restaurants.

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This year, the downtown Georgetown Palooza has so much to

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offer. So this Friday, evening July 17th, the Palooza stage

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will be taking over the Main Street, right downtown Georgetown.

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It'll begin with the Battle of the Bands. There will

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be street eats. There will be dunk tank. There'll be

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a Kid Zone. And there'll be a vendor village. And

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as if the event couldn't get any better than it's

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been before. Welcome to the Beer Garden. So downtown Plusa

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is collaborating with Head for the Hills. Head for the

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Hills for some of you may know is taking a

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year off, but they're coming back with a pop -

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up beer garden this time in downtown Georgetown at the

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Palooza to bring you a beer garden to enjoy Palooza

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even more. So join Head for the Hills team at

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downtown Palooza to sip on local crap beverages, including beer,

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cider, seltzers and wine. CUN July 17th for night to

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remember. That's 5 p. m. to 10 p. m. Then

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on Saturday morning July 18th. The Palooza stage will be

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bringing the Georgetown Farmers Market to life with live music

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throughout the morning. This will be going from 8 a.

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m. to 1230. No matter when you stop by, your

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regular farmer's market on Saturday morning is sure to have

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a gorgeous soundtrack on our second day of downtown Palooza.

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So that will now be Friday night, July 17th and

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Saturday morning. July 18th. My second announcement is come out

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and help celebrate the Royal Canadian legions 100th year. This

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Saturday, July 18th, from the fund begins at 2 p.

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m. at the Royal Canadian Legion Branch 120 in Georgetown.

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That's at 127 Mill Street, right downtown. They will have

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live music dancing barbecues and games. For this special event,

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the Georgetown legion will be outside to enjoy the summer

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weather. The parking lot directly behind the legion will be

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used for the outdoor events. And again, the fun begins

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at 2 p. m. and absolutely everyone is welcome. Saturday,

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July 18th, beginning at 2 p. m. Thank you, Madam

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Mayor. Okay, thank you. And Councillor Hillston, I think you

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have some announcements. To thank you, Madam Mayor. I've got

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one that's also showcasing the Georgetown BIA. We're doing hope

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in every step, Halton Hills once again on Saturday, July

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25th at 11 a. m. at the corner of church

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and Main Street. This is our third year doing it.

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Myself and Addi Giswami started a couple of years ago

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because the main events were happening in South Halton to

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support Halton Women's Place. So, uh, we wanted to do

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something in the North. And that's the opportunity this year.

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So, uh, please join us Saturday, July 25th, 11 a.

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m. at the Georgetown Farmers, Market. Thank you. Thank you.

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And Councillor Keene, you've been distributing items to members of

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Council. Well, thank you, Madam Mayor. Yes, I have. I

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bring exciting news from the world of garbage collection. As

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a member of the Halton region waste management committee, I'm

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privy to some information. Many of you may have seen

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this brochure arrived in your mail. Uh, it is exciting

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news actually. We're finally moving into the modern era with

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the implementation of wheeled cart system. So no longer will

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you have to lug your beat up little garbage candle

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to the front of your house. You'll have a nice

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wheeled cart that you can use for both your garbage

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and your compost. Come in two sizes. The large size

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would be 240 litres. The smaller size is 120 litres.

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Those of you who are exceptionally are concerned about your

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carbon front, men can use a TNE. We need a

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little lady Bitty one. But just kidding. This is a

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wonderful pencil case. Um, so the suicide is available. Please

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do note that this only applies to garbage and organic

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waste. The blue box program will not be changing because

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that is managed by an independent company provincial legislation. There's

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circular materials corporation. So the, uh, producers of recyclable waste

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are now responsible for that. And they are choosing not

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to implement wheeled carts. Uh, you'll stay with your standard

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blue bin, which is unfortunate. Uh, we'll see what comes

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down the road. So, um, good news. Look forward to

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that in the new year starting in January, uh, until

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March will be rolled out and, um, I trust you'll

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enjoy their use. Thank you. Thank you very much. And

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so, you know, stay tuned for that. I think we'll

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be hearing more. Yeah. Thank you. And I have a

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couple of announcements as well. And one regarding the Garden

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of Hope. And the library in partnership with the Halton

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Suicide Prevention Coalition will unveil a Garden of Hope at

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the Actin Branch on World Suicide Prevention Day. Thursday, September

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the 10th. Community members are invited to attend the ceremony

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and painter Brock with a message of hope that will

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become part of the garden. And finally, I'd like to

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announce that we have a celebrity in our midst. And

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we are sharing that Hillsview active living centre volunteer, Linda

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Gordon. Was a recipient of the Ontario Senior's Achievement Award.

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This provincial award recognises seniors who have made outstanding contributions

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to their communities through volunteerism. Leadership, and dedication to enhancing

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the lives of others. Linda has been a dedicated volunteer

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at Hillsview for eight years, providing exceptional financial leadership. As

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treasurer while supporting accessible and inclusive programming. She has played

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a key role in the center's growth. Contributing to increased

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membership, expanded programming. And greater community participation. Linda is also

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actively involved in fundraising initiatives and organising social programs that

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foster connection and engagement among seniors. Her commitment and contributions

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have helped strengthen Hillsview as a vibrant and welcoming community

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hub for seniors in acton. Linda received her award at

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a reception, which was special at Queen's Park last month.

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And the town Council is very proud of Linda's achievement.

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Highlighting the meaningful impact of volunteerism within our community. So

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please, all of you join me and congratulating Linda on

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your well - deserved honour.

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I will ask. You to come and ask. We can

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shake your hand. From. Us.

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Oh. Good.

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Thank. You.

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Okay. Now, I think that's the end of our announcements.

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And now there are several items. That we want to

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finish off as far as approvals. So I have a

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resolution to adopt the general committee items from the June

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22nd Council meeting. And the details of these items can

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be found in section five of today's agenda. It has

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been moved by Councillor Albano. Seconded by Councillor Garneau that

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the recommendations contained in the following reports and memorandum from

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Monday, June 22nd, General Committee are hereby adopted as presented.

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Report CES 2026008 CES 2026009. CSE

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2026 - 017. PD 2026 - 065 TPW 2026 -

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014. TPW 2026 - 016. Memorandum PD - 2026 -

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004 and memorandum CES 2026 - 004. All in favor.

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That's carried, thank you. Now we have it moved by

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Councillor Keane, seconded by Councillor Hillston that the following minutes

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are hereby approved. Confidential and open session minutes of the

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Council meeting held on Monday, June 22, 2026. All in

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favor. That's carried.

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The details of the consent items can be found in

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section 8 of today's agenda. We have it moved by

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Councillor Hillson, 2nd by Councillor Garneau, that the following consent

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items are hereby approved. Memorandum CSE 2026 - 008, memorandum

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CSE 2026 - 009. Memorandum CSE 2026 - 010. Admin

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2026 - 022, and been 2026025. Report CES 2026 -

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020 and memorandum CES - 2026 - 005. Is there

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anyone who wishes to hold any of those items for

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review at general committee. Councillor Garno. Yes, thank you Mayor.

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I'd like to hold item six, the 2027 budget approach

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and process memo, please. I'm sorry. Could you repeat that

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number? Six, number six.

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Oh. Okay. Uh, did anyone else wish to hold any

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Councillor Bras. Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor. I also want

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to hold number six. So I look forward to that

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discussion. And, uh, I have a quick comment on consent

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item number three. If that's permitted. If it's truly quick.

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Yep. Yeah, go ahead. It truly is. Okay, thank you.

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I wanted to thank senior staff for reviewing this so

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quickly and what is a very important mechanism in our

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municipality for reporting. And I want to thank you sincerely

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for getting this done so quickly. Great report, thank you.

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Okay. And thanks for that truly was quick. Yeah. Okay.

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Um, so I'm going to call then for an approval

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on all the items save the memorandum. All in favor.

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That is carried. Thank you. And, um, now we're going

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to turn over the gavel. It has been moved by

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Councillor Keane, seconded by Councillor Brest that counciled, do now

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convene into general committee. And I think Councillor Albano, you're

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in church. For next section of this meeting. All in

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favor. That's carried.

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Good afternoon. Um, thank you for being here today. And

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we'll come to the general committee section of the agenda.

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It is a lengthy one today. We have a number

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of presentation and delegations today. And then we have full

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packed agenda, um, on the reports side. So before we

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get to the presentation delegation, uh, what we'll do is

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we'll vet the agenda. And then we'll go back to

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the presentations. Item A and item B, they're both held.

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So we'll get back to that shortly. Um, item C,

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report number C, E, S 2026 017 is a corporate

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and emergency service report. Hold. On. Thank you, Councillor Bryce.

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Um, report D. It's corporate emergency services report number. Two.

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Sorry? Okay. We can hear feedback

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conservative sonneville. Um, so report CES 2026 018 data July

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13, 2026 regarding the 2025 annual financial statements, management discussion

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analysis. And financial information return. So moved only in favor.

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Carried. Item E. Community services report number

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CSE 2026 014 dated June 10th, 2026 regarding Invesa Species

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Management Framework. So moved only favored. Carried. Report

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number, or Community Services report number C, SE 2026. 015,

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dated June 26, 2026, regarding green infrastructure asset management plan.

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Pull that report, please. Chair. The cube Council King. Uh,

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item G Community Service report number CSE 2026 0 -

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27 date of June 22. 26 regarding transverse St. Jones,

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Anglican cemetery to the town of Halton Hills. So moved

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to only in favor. Carried. Item H. Community service report

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number, uh, CSE 2026 28 - 20028. Data June 26,

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26 regarding economic development strategy, draft terms of reference. So

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moved only favor. Garrett. Planning development report number PD -

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2026 - 042 dated 18, 2026, regarding tension to designate

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under part four, section 20 of the Ontario - Headed

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Act. Move that report? Moved. What? All in favor. Carried.

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Item J, Plan Development Report PD 2026 - 054, dated

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June 26, regarding alteration two, a designated heritage property, nine

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zero, nine four, regional road 25. So moved, all in

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favor. Carry. Uh, item K, plan and development report, member

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PD 2026 - 056, data June 16, 2026, regarding intention

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to designate under Part 4, section 29 of the Ontario

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Heritage Act, 11 - 80 - 10 Side Road is

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squeezing. So moved all in favor. Carry.

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And development report. PD - 2026 - 057, dated June

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25th, 2026, regarding still - Bill 23. Uh,

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Heritage Update recommendation and next steps. Moved. All in favor?

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I'd like to hold for a comment. Okay.

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I guess you can move it after. Councillor. Is it

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a quick comment? Council Sargo. Yes, I was trying to

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do that, but, uh, the staff were too quick on

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the mute button for me. Okay. I just wanted to

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thank the staff, uh, especially led by our commissioner and

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Borrellonia or manager of Heritage Services. It's been a very

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probably the most productive committee. We've had this term with

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113 properties designated or pending. And I just wanted to

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thank Laura and Kelly and all them for all the

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hard work that they are doing and what they've done.

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And you can see from there, they already have a

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large stack of work going forward for the next term

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of Council to continue after Bill 23 is finished. And

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all those impacts are done. So thank you to them,

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and I'll be glad to move it, Mr. Chair. Okay,

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thank you very much. I believe Councillor Councillor Hillston said

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that he would move it. So if that's all right

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with you, be able to... Okay. Holy favor. Carried. Um,

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report. Uh, item, uh, M planning and development report number

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PD 2026060. Data June 16, 2026 regarding intention to designate

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under Part 4, section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act

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7593 - 5 Side Road is squeezing. So moved only

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favor. Carrie. Uh, this I - O - Man is

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an automatic hold, and we'll give back to that. So

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go to O, Planning and Development Report number PD -

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2026 - 069, Data June 18, 2026 regarding intention to

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designate under Part 4, Section 29 of the Ontario Heritage

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Act. 16 Wilbur Street North, Achton. So moved Council Bryce

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- Mood, all in favor. Carried. Uh, item P, Planning

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and Development Report, number PD - 2026. - 070, dated

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June 18, 2026, regarding tension to designate under Part 4,

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Section 29 of the OHA - 9, 13 - 19

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Wilbu Street North, Octon. So moved all in favor. Carrie.

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Development Report number PD - 2026 - 072, dated June

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18, 2026. Regarding notice - void, draw of notice of

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intention to designate 11 - 309 - 22, second lime

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house. So moved all in favor. Carried. Uh,

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Planning and Development Report, Number PD - 2026 - 075

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data June 30th, 2026, regarding Georgetown expansion lands, uh, secondary

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plan, terms of reference. So moved all in favor. Carrie.

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Planning and development report number PD - 2026 - 076,

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date of June 30th, 2026 regarding Georgetown Expansion Lands Secondary

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Plan Financial Agreement. So moved only in favor. Carrie. Okay.

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Item T, I've just been informed that it's an automatic

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hold, so we do not, it's not on the agenda,

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but it's an automatic hole, so we'll get back to

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that. And item U is also an automatic hold.

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And I think. That's it. So we'll go back to.

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We go back to the presentation and delegation. And the

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first presentation is from Carl's Alvarez and Matthew Charidelli from

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KPMG. But before we do that, Joey van der Meer,

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I would like to make an opening remarks, Joy. Great,

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thank you, Chair. Good afternoon, Madam Mayor Chair Al -

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Bano, and members of committee. It is my pleasure to

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present several finance reports today, including the town's 2025 Financial

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Statements. The 2025 - UN process began in the fall

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of 2025 with KPMG's intermodit. In February 2026, KPMG presented

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the audit plan to the committee, providing an opportunity for

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members to ask questions, and raise any concerns before the

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audit was completed. Following the preparation of the financial statements

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by town staff, KPMG completed its audit in May. Today,

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the audited financial statements are before the committee for review.

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Providing an opportunity to ask questions of KPMG before they

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are presented to the town Council for final approval. Once

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approved by Council, the annual financial report will be finalised

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and posted on the town's website. At this time, I

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would like to invite Carlos Alvarez and Matthew Chargerelli to

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present the results of the 2025 audit. Carlos and Matthew,

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the floor is yours. Is it on already? Oh, wonderful.

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Good afternoon, Councillor Albano, madam mayor, and members of Council.

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Happy to present the results of the 2025 fiscal year

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- end audit. I'm joined by my colleague, Matt Chardelli,

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senior manager. Uh, understanding that our audit findings report would

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have been pre - circulated in advance. Uh, we are

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going to highlight some of the more significant items that

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we would like to bring forward to your attention. A

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few pages into the audit findings report, uh, in terms

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of audit highlights. On the fourth page. Overall, we are

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substantively complete in terms of the Otter process. We are

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at a point in time today where we expect to

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be at. All of these substantive work is essentially complete.

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What would be an audit without talking about misstatements? I

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can confirm with Council that it was a clean sheet.

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So that there are no misstatements, either corrected or uncorrected.

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As well in terms of our audit areas of focus.

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Uh, our audit areas of focus remain consistent with our

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original audit plan. We did not have to pivot or

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introduce any new procedures along the way during the course

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of the audit. Moving forward in the slide deck in

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terms of overall status. This is perfect. So while we

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are substantively complete, there are a few customary loose ends

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for us to tie up between today and tomorrow. One

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of them being is we will ask your management team

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to sign a management representation letter. That letter does a

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good job in terms of outlining what our management's responsibilities

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as it pertains to your financial statements versus the responsibilities

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of the external auditor. Ultimately, when we do get evidence

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that they are approved by Council, then I will proceed

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to sign the independent auditor's report. Moving further back, in

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the report. In terms of changes as part of the

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current year's audit, from a regulatory standpoint, there were no

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changes in the underlying accounting standards. What that means is

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the way your debits and credits came together in 2025

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would be on a identical basis as 2024. As well

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from a auditing standpoint, the way that we performed the

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audit, again, was consistent with the prior year. So nothing

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to report on any of the items that are listed.

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Proceeding further into the slide deck. Two items to bring

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forward to your attention. As auditors were always required to

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consider too specific risks. One is the Risk that your

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management team circumvents the controls and the environment in place.

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So this is a, on the topic of fraud, I

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can confirm with Council that based on all of the

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procedures that we performed. There was nothing fraudulent that we

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detected. Nothing deemed suspicious or awkward or unreconciled. So a

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clean sheet in that respect. The second risk that we're

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always required to consider is the risk of fraudulent revenue

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recognition. Again, I can confirm with Council that based on

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all of the procedures, okay? I'll let Matt take over

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and handle the next few slides. Great, thank you, Carlos.

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If we could move to page 10, please. Thank you.

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Uh, so this slide is the largest area of audit

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focus that we'll choose to profile in our report and

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presentation today. Uh, certainly we look at all of the

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aspects of the town's financial statements. Uh, so there are

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many more elements to the audit than just what you

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see in the package here. Uh, but we do choose

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to profile the work that we do over tangible capital

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assets or long - lived assets, uh, in another term,

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uh, because they are, uh, certainly very material to the

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financial statements of the town, as would be the case

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for any municipality or equivalent government entity. The suite of

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procedures that we perform in this area includes reconciling the

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ending point, uh, of the continuity schedule, the schedule of

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assets from the prior year and reconciling it for all

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of the transactions that occurred throughout 2025. And that includes

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additions of new fixed assets. Capitalization of items that were

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previously work in progress, any disposals of assets no longer

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in use. And also the annual amortization, uh, which is

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the accounting term for recognising an expense related to the

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useful life of those fixed assets, uh, which is done

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on a systemic basis year over year based on the

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expected life, uh, asset. So all of these are standard

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procedures that we perform each year. Again, as this is

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a very material number on your financial statements. Uh, happy

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to report that there were no issues, uh, during any

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of those procedures. And also I'll touch on the last

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bullet on the slide here, which relates to the work

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done or the asset retirement obligation, uh, which is a

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significant estimate in the financial statements, uh, some may recall

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that came into effect. Three years ago when the standard

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was required to be implemented across the sector. So lots

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of work was done at that point. Each year subsequent

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to implementation, your management team is required to review all

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of the estimates. And assumptions that go into that number.

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And we can confirm that, uh, there was no significant

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change to the process management's process for estimating that obligation

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remains above board. And there were no issues to bring

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to your attention. Moving on to the next slide, please.

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So as Carlos alluded to earlier, no big changes with

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respect to accounting policies or practices externally, nor were there

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any internally. So all of the accounting policy choices that

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management has made in the past as reflected in note

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one - tier financial statements remain consistent year over year.

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Uh, so what that means is if you were to

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page flip 2024 statements against 2025s, you will see very

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consistent between the two years. Moving forward, please. Some of

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it is just an annual confirmation from us as the

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auditors, the form presentation, uh, and disclosures within the town's

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financial statements. Do meet the requirements of the public sector

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accounting standards. Again, no significant change year over year. So

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as you were in the past, you remain on side

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with all of the requirements in terms of the presentation

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and disclosure in those statements. Moving on again. So this

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slide covers a number of specific topics that were required

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to report on. You can see no matters to report

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in each of these areas, which is certainly a positive

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result. Uh, there were no difficulties or curve balls during

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the audit that led to disagreements with management, uh, or

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things like that. Uh, so happy to report no issues

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with any of the specific topics listed on this slide.

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Moving on again. So page 14 and page 15, just

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cover what Carlo saluted to in the highlights page. Try

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as we may, uh, we did not identify any misstatements

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in the audit package. None which were required to be

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corrected, nor any which were left uncorrected. Our threshold for

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reporting audit miss statements was just about 160, 000 dollars.

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So anything above that number, we would have been required

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to include in the report here. So a clean result

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there. Uh, I'll also add just building off of carlos'comments

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on the procedures we do to address fraud risk. When

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it comes to frauds, that threshold effectively drops to one

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dollar. Uh, so if there was anything that we found

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that was suspicious, we would report that to you in

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these slides regardless of the POSTN threshold. Uh, moving on

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two slides to sixth deed, please. Uh, just to reiterate,

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again, nothing came to our attention during the audit with

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respect to deficiencies in internal control. And I would like

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to highlight the last line on this slide. Uh, which

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denotes that we receive the full support and cooperation of

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management and team throughout the audit process, from interim in

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the fall all the way to the completion of our

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audit. Now, so we'd like to thank the management team

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for having an audit ready package and being ready to

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field our questions and deal with our many team members

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and their inquiries throughout. Moving on again. So the last

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thing I'll mention just quickly is, uh, the information here

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on all of the processes that we a KPMG have

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to abide by in order to ensure that we deliver

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quality audits that are in line with our auditing standards.

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There are some, uh, other links throughout the appendices in

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our report as well for those curious as to what

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we must adhere to. But otherwise, I will pass it

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back to Carlos for some comments on Independence and closing.

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Wonderful. Thank you, Matt. Moving further in the deck one

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page. The audit report that is included in your package,

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which is currently in draft, has the word independent in

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front of it. So, uh, really important for external auditors

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to talk about independence. I can confirm with Council that

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throughout the entire Otter process. All that we have until

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today that we remained independent. Uh, we are here to

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audit your books and records. We're not here to prepare

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them so I can confirm that we haven't, uh, cross

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that line. Lastly, we will work with management to finalise

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the Otter Report. Over the coming day, um, and make

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sure that, um, everything, um, all the T's are crossed.

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And the eyes are dotted and then proceed to issue

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the financial statements, the auto report. So with that, I

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will pause. And back to the chair. Thank you gentlemen.

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Thank you, Mr. Alvaras. Thank you, Mr. Chair Delli. Are

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there any questions for the delegation. Council Brass. Thank you,

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Chair Obano, through you to Carlos and Matt. Good to

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see you both. And Carlos, at our previous meeting, uh,

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we discussed, I think it was the interim financial, or

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quite possibly even the last fiscal, I forget which one.

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But, uh, we discussed how, um, fraudulent tips would be

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received. And if you had any oversight or insight on

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that with our municipality, uh, the answer was no. And,

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uh, so, uh, I would please that Council on March

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9th passed a resolution to adopt a whistleblower strategy, which

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was presented here tonight in the consent items. Uh, which

468
00:48:45,921 --> 00:48:50,060
I spoke very briefly on. And, uh, I wondered if,

469
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:56,380
uh, Whistleblower policy for municipalities, if it's established, is that

470
00:48:56,380 --> 00:49:01,340
something that you're, your team would review that policy as

471
00:49:01,340 --> 00:49:04,780
part of your, your, your, your review, or is that

472
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:07,820
not part of your purview? And I'm wondering now that

473
00:49:08,241 --> 00:49:12,060
you're speaking and talking about the threshold for fraudulent activity

474
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:16,728
as a dollar. If something is reported through our Whistleblower

475
00:49:16,768 --> 00:49:22,518
policy, how that in turn gets to your team. Through

476
00:49:22,518 --> 00:49:26,235
to you, Chair Albano. As part of any financial statement

477
00:49:26,336 --> 00:49:29,075
audit, it is not just about the numbers. First, we

478
00:49:29,075 --> 00:49:32,535
must undertake a risk assessment and assess whether or not

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00:49:33,696 --> 00:49:39,835
you as a municipality have a sufficiently developed control environment

480
00:49:40,016 --> 00:49:43,595
to be able to mitigate various risks, including the risk

481
00:49:43,616 --> 00:49:47,310
of fraud. So from our perspective, the fact that you

482
00:49:47,331 --> 00:49:52,190
have now developed a strategy in terms of a whistleblower

483
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:57,310
program next year, we will make those inquiries with management

484
00:49:58,371 --> 00:50:03,230
and council in terms of is the whistleble now operating

485
00:50:03,651 --> 00:50:07,230
as intended, because it's one thing to have one. It's

486
00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:09,310
another thing to make sure that it is actually operating

487
00:50:09,331 --> 00:50:13,591
as it is designed. Once we get comfort that it

488
00:50:13,692 --> 00:50:17,591
is operating as designed, then we can take comfort as

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00:50:17,631 --> 00:50:21,271
auditors that from a risk assessment perspective, it may lower

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00:50:21,311 --> 00:50:25,351
the risk of certain chances or the probability of certain

491
00:50:25,452 --> 00:50:29,191
transactions happening. So we incorporate it into our Risk assessment

492
00:50:30,172 --> 00:50:32,577
through you, Chair. That is really great to hear. Um,

493
00:50:32,758 --> 00:50:36,337
and I'm wondering, you know, testing various numbers that you

494
00:50:36,377 --> 00:50:40,257
get from staff, uh, that's an easy answer. But how

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00:50:40,358 --> 00:50:44,817
do you, how do you test the efficiency or effectiveness

496
00:50:44,838 --> 00:50:50,752
of a policy like that? Through you the chair, I

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00:50:50,752 --> 00:50:55,178
would say in terms of. When we talk about effectiveness,

498
00:50:55,218 --> 00:50:58,458
there's two ways that auditors test things. We can test

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00:50:58,479 --> 00:51:02,217
the design of something. Which more looks at what's the

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00:51:02,217 --> 00:51:05,688
overall process. Is it sufficient? Does it have all of

501
00:51:05,688 --> 00:51:09,694
the control points measured off. And then we could go

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00:51:10,035 --> 00:51:14,831
one step further and actually test the operating effectness. Normally

503
00:51:15,092 --> 00:51:19,333
we would just test the design of the control. And

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00:51:19,373 --> 00:51:22,933
not go one step further and test the operating effectiveness

505
00:51:23,594 --> 00:51:27,653
unless something elsewhere in our file pointed us to that

506
00:51:27,693 --> 00:51:31,033
we should do that to address another risk. But at

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00:51:31,073 --> 00:51:34,233
a minimum, we would test the design to make sure

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00:51:34,273 --> 00:51:39,433
that it is robust. And in our opinion, uh, designed

509
00:51:39,454 --> 00:51:42,633
well enough that it would contribute to your control environment.

510
00:51:45,256 --> 00:51:48,355
Well, that's fantastic. And I wanted to thank you for

511
00:51:48,456 --> 00:51:52,275
that report you put forward is, uh, is fantastic second

512
00:51:52,315 --> 00:51:54,835
to none, uh, I, I feel we're in very good

513
00:51:54,856 --> 00:52:00,622
hand. So thank you. Council Keen. You had a question.

514
00:52:00,622 --> 00:52:02,942
No, thank you, Chair Obano. And thank you to our,

515
00:52:02,942 --> 00:52:06,542
uh, our guest, Mr. Alvarez and Mr. Shore deli. Great

516
00:52:06,542 --> 00:52:10,089
report. Nice and boring. Just the way we like auto

517
00:52:10,129 --> 00:52:12,489
reports to be. No red flags. That's awesome. Thank you.

518
00:52:15,518 --> 00:52:17,897
I had a question because so much going to take

519
00:52:17,897 --> 00:52:20,537
advantage of your expertise while you're here, some Councillor Brass.

520
00:52:21,938 --> 00:52:25,117
On page 10, you talk about recalculating the annual amortization

521
00:52:25,298 --> 00:52:28,723
expense to ensure accuracy and compliance with Town policies. And

522
00:52:28,723 --> 00:52:30,723
then their final bullet point is the testing of the

523
00:52:30,904 --> 00:52:35,203
asset retirement obligation estimate, blah, blah, blah. We have a

524
00:52:35,203 --> 00:52:38,934
report coming up dealing with green asset management. And report

525
00:52:38,934 --> 00:52:41,014
that we're going to be asked to comment and vote

526
00:52:41,035 --> 00:52:44,614
on later on today. Um, does your auditing take into

527
00:52:44,715 --> 00:52:47,254
account or have you have any policies in place to

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00:52:47,435 --> 00:52:51,574
deal with how you measure so - called green assets.

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00:52:51,574 --> 00:52:53,414
And if that's the case, uh, will you be looking

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00:52:53,414 --> 00:52:57,574
at amortization or asset retirement of so - called green

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00:52:57,614 --> 00:53:05,599
assets in your audience. For you, the chair. When it

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00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:12,079
comes to green assets, there are in Canada, County Board

533
00:53:12,340 --> 00:53:20,079
that is working on developing standards for municipalities to measure,

534
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:24,959
recognise and record various green assets, such as the trees

535
00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:29,827
that you have within your municipal boundaries. But those standards

536
00:53:29,848 --> 00:53:34,051
are in development. They are not yet codified. And if

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00:53:34,051 --> 00:53:37,811
they're not yet codified, we don't necessarily assess compliance with

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00:53:37,851 --> 00:53:44,151
them until they're set into law. We do have our

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00:53:44,191 --> 00:53:48,951
advisory team that provides guidance on, you know, whether it's

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00:53:49,052 --> 00:53:54,231
green infrastructure, sustainability. But generally those types of topics, unless

541
00:53:54,252 --> 00:53:56,831
they're codified are more sort of an add - on

542
00:53:56,972 --> 00:53:59,351
on top of the financial statement audit that would be

543
00:53:59,351 --> 00:54:03,104
done as part of a separate project. That's good to

544
00:54:03,144 --> 00:54:07,344
know. So you're understanding there are potentially some regulations coming

545
00:54:07,384 --> 00:54:11,574
down the pike, but they're not in place yet. Correct.

546
00:54:11,595 --> 00:54:13,414
Okay. That's great. Okay. Thanks for clearing out. I appreciate

547
00:54:13,435 --> 00:54:18,151
it, guys. Thanks. Thank you Council Keen. Are there any

548
00:54:18,172 --> 00:54:22,973
other questions. I see none. Um, I'm just wondering if

549
00:54:22,973 --> 00:54:25,573
it's all right to bring the report forward and we

550
00:54:25,573 --> 00:54:28,293
can deal with our report. Any objection to bring the

551
00:54:28,293 --> 00:54:31,653
report? No? All right. So any questions on the, on

552
00:54:31,674 --> 00:54:37,225
the report. I see none. Somebody wants to move it.

553
00:54:37,934 --> 00:54:42,187
Council Bryce. It's been moved all in favor. Carrie, thank

554
00:54:42,187 --> 00:54:51,002
you gentlemen. Thank you for the presentation. Our next delegation

555
00:54:51,183 --> 00:54:57,076
presentation to the committee is Nicole. Whatonioli, first Gulf Corporation.

556
00:54:58,615 --> 00:55:08,534
In the house. She's all

557
00:55:08,574 --> 00:55:14,157
mine. Okay. Nicole Uro. Can you hear us? Can you

558
00:55:14,157 --> 00:55:19,740
hear me? I cannot. Yes. All right. Go ahead. The

559
00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:24,313
floor is yours. Great. Uh, good afternoon, Madam Mayor Chair

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00:55:24,334 --> 00:55:27,113
Al - Bano and members of Council. My name is

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00:55:27,214 --> 00:55:30,793
Nicole Gudagnolian and I'm a senior development manager for first

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00:55:30,833 --> 00:55:37,433
golf corporation. I'm delegating today regarding report number 2026 067

563
00:55:38,254 --> 00:55:41,033
as it relates to the premier gateway phase 2B employment

564
00:55:41,134 --> 00:55:45,113
area zoning by law amendments. Uh, first golf is a

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00:55:45,113 --> 00:55:48,713
commercial developer that has been developing in Halton Hills for

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00:55:48,753 --> 00:55:51,993
well over a decade. We've constructed upwards of 2 million

567
00:55:52,014 --> 00:55:54,793
square feet of industrial space. And we have an active

568
00:55:55,054 --> 00:55:59,539
rezonian application. With their partner's son life. Uh, for lands

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00:55:59,539 --> 00:56:04,499
located at 14829 steals avenue, which will bring forward an

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00:56:04,499 --> 00:56:08,174
additional 1. 2 million square feet of industrial space. Uh,

571
00:56:08,214 --> 00:56:11,374
the public meeting for this application will be heard later

572
00:56:11,395 --> 00:56:15,533
today. Over the past few years, first golf has taken

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00:56:15,634 --> 00:56:18,813
an act of role in monitoring and providing feedback on

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00:56:18,853 --> 00:56:23,462
the phase 2B secondary plan area. Through this process, we

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00:56:23,523 --> 00:56:27,022
were faced with some challenges on our lands, including a

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00:56:27,022 --> 00:56:30,282
proposed collector Road within the secondary plan. And most recently

577
00:56:30,483 --> 00:56:33,582
significant impacts as it related to the narrow area of

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00:56:33,843 --> 00:56:38,342
interest related to highway 413. Considering this, the town's Planning

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00:56:38,382 --> 00:56:41,542
and Development Department remained open to working with us and

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00:56:41,582 --> 00:56:47,222
navigating through these challenges. This meant proactive communication, consistent dialogue,

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00:56:47,243 --> 00:56:51,622
and problem solving, which allowed us to overcome the various

582
00:56:51,622 --> 00:56:54,982
challenges and ultimately it led us to filing a rezoning

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00:56:55,003 --> 00:57:01,301
application last fall. The proposed zoning bylaw amendments will unlock

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00:57:01,301 --> 00:57:04,501
the final phase of the employment area that is strategically

585
00:57:04,922 --> 00:57:09,301
positioned in the town near three major highways. By prezoning

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00:57:09,301 --> 00:57:11,781
these lines, it will help bring forward the land's online

587
00:57:11,821 --> 00:57:15,621
sooner rather than later. We continue to receive interest for

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00:57:15,661 --> 00:57:19,141
our property. And after owning the lands for eight years,

589
00:57:19,141 --> 00:57:21,701
we're excited to get shovels in the ground. We look

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00:57:21,741 --> 00:57:24,021
forward to the approval of the zoning bylaw amendment for

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00:57:24,061 --> 00:57:26,421
the phase two B lens. Thank you for your time

592
00:57:26,461 --> 00:57:30,663
today. Thank you, Nicole. Thanks for the presentation. Are there

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00:57:30,663 --> 00:57:36,561
any questions for Nicole. I see none. And again, I'm

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00:57:36,682 --> 00:57:39,221
just wondering if it's all right with Councillor to bring

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00:57:39,402 --> 00:57:43,158
that report forward. There are no objections. Are there any

596
00:57:43,179 --> 00:57:47,904
questions to the report? I see none. I need a

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00:57:47,904 --> 00:57:53,613
mover. So moved by Council Garneau only favor. And it's

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Carrie. Thank you. Our next presenters, delegation to committees, it's

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00:58:04,217 --> 00:58:13,796
regarding the report, number at MEN 2026023. And it's regarding

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00:58:13,836 --> 00:58:22,670
exemption requests to annoy Spylaw. 16406, fifth side road. And

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00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:30,264
do we have this online. Okay. Bonnie Jehovah is the

602
00:58:30,304 --> 00:58:34,824
resident of Halton Halls. Body, um, can you hear us?

603
00:58:34,824 --> 00:58:44,566
And, uh, so. The floor is yours. Okay. Well, good

604
00:58:44,566 --> 00:58:49,067
afternoon. Madam Mayor Councillors. Please bear with me. I have

605
00:58:49,107 --> 00:58:54,006
never done this before. So. Um, we got a letter.

606
00:58:54,773 --> 00:58:59,392
At our residents. And it's about notice of noise exemption

607
00:58:59,432 --> 00:59:03,326
application outdoor gathering. And it has the dates with that.

608
00:59:03,817 --> 00:59:08,996
Um, we live very close to, uh, melodie estates, which

609
00:59:08,996 --> 00:59:12,516
is the company which wishes to have this outdoor facility

610
00:59:12,537 --> 00:59:18,901
happen. Um, but my concern is melody estates. Has a,

611
00:59:18,901 --> 00:59:21,861
uh, it has a website. And they advertise that they

612
00:59:21,882 --> 00:59:26,101
are a full active venue where they offer weddings and

613
00:59:26,141 --> 00:59:30,261
outdoor receptions and such. Um, so my concern is the

614
00:59:30,261 --> 00:59:33,520
noise level. As proposed by the notice of noise exemption

615
00:59:33,541 --> 00:59:39,913
application outdoor gathering for July 29th. In the notice dated,

616
00:59:39,913 --> 00:59:45,894
or June 26, 2026. Um, the notice states, when state

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00:59:45,934 --> 00:59:50,614
July 29th to at 6 p. m. and continuing on

618
00:59:50,635 --> 00:59:55,734
to Friday, July 31st, 2026 at 6 p. m. These

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00:59:55,774 --> 01:00:00,105
are weeknights. The residents and the immediate area are families.

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01:00:00,444 --> 01:00:06,123
Who compass all walks of life. Those people with young

621
01:00:06,123 --> 01:00:09,803
children, uh, people who are elderly, people who work full

622
01:00:09,824 --> 01:00:14,677
time, people have PETS. Just your every citizen in the

623
01:00:14,677 --> 01:00:18,798
surrounding area. And I have two overall concerns, the noise

624
01:00:18,798 --> 01:00:22,761
level. Days of the week, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday are

625
01:00:22,862 --> 01:00:26,540
all work days. I worked full - time. There's a

626
01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:28,660
lot of people in my area work full - time

627
01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:31,824
around me. That means I need to be in bid

628
01:00:32,165 --> 01:00:35,092
early enough to get a good night's rest. So that

629
01:00:35,092 --> 01:00:37,392
I can get up early the next day, fight the

630
01:00:37,392 --> 01:00:41,909
traffic. And try to be productive at work. Um, the

631
01:00:41,930 --> 01:00:45,509
notice from the Halton Hills noted that this is going

632
01:00:45,509 --> 01:00:49,415
to be an outdoor event. Noise from an outdoor event

633
01:00:50,156 --> 01:00:53,175
at that location will create noise levels at our own

634
01:00:53,196 --> 01:00:57,962
property because we're very close. And the surrounding properties. To

635
01:00:57,962 --> 01:01:02,362
be loud enough to possibly and probably make my personal

636
01:01:02,703 --> 01:01:08,644
space uncomfortable. With my need to have struggle asleep, um,

637
01:01:08,644 --> 01:01:11,624
and, uh, we try to keep our windows open at

638
01:01:11,664 --> 01:01:16,024
night to conserve not using, uh, air conditioning. Um, but

639
01:01:16,205 --> 01:01:20,344
it will definitely impact my ability to sleep that night.

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01:01:20,344 --> 01:01:24,824
Um, in the Halton Hills report, dated September 22nd in

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01:01:24,864 --> 01:01:29,497
2025. These are some points of interest. And under the

642
01:01:29,598 --> 01:01:33,737
key points is listed as the topic. It set directly

643
01:01:33,737 --> 01:01:38,109
from that report from the Halton Hills report. Proposing to

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01:01:38,130 --> 01:01:43,869
change the land use permission for 164065 Side Road to

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01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:47,869
allow for events venue banquet facilities for corporate events, weddings

646
01:01:47,970 --> 01:01:51,629
and other gatherings to operate out of the existing barn

647
01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:56,248
horse arena. That has been converted into a banquet home.

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01:01:58,286 --> 01:02:04,180
That statement indicates that an enclosed space. But, uh, on

649
01:02:04,180 --> 01:02:10,812
the melody estates website, it emphasizes outdoor facilities. It also

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01:02:10,852 --> 01:02:16,092
states the venue capacity states that is for 405 people.

651
01:02:16,092 --> 01:02:20,572
But the melody estates website until recently indicated the venue

652
01:02:21,393 --> 01:02:25,617
could accommodate up to 1, 500 people. An event with

653
01:02:25,657 --> 01:02:28,757
that many people will generate, I would guess, a lot

654
01:02:28,757 --> 01:02:35,468
of noise. From melody estate's website, they advertise the expanse

655
01:02:35,468 --> 01:02:41,746
of open air settings. They quoted from their website. Flexible

656
01:02:42,167 --> 01:02:49,921
outdoor configuration. Centralized open airspace. And it gives quiet distinction.

657
01:02:49,921 --> 01:02:52,241
And none of this indicates a closed - based facility.

658
01:02:55,015 --> 01:02:59,794
So by the looks of it, uh, melodyus acres appears

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01:02:59,794 --> 01:03:03,294
to be a banquet facility offering open air events, not

660
01:03:03,294 --> 01:03:07,508
enclosed area events. I've never been to a 1500 person

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01:03:07,609 --> 01:03:11,480
event. What I can tell you, though, family gathering of

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01:03:11,901 --> 01:03:14,851
10 is pretty noisy in my own house. And, uh,

663
01:03:15,212 --> 01:03:19,591
with a music. And, uh, 11 to 1500 people talking.

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01:03:19,591 --> 01:03:22,871
And with music will impact the peace and quiet of

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01:03:22,911 --> 01:03:29,426
our neighbourhood. So melody estate's websites. That gives a serene

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01:03:29,447 --> 01:03:32,306
of quiet distinction. And I think an open air event

667
01:03:33,127 --> 01:03:35,746
with that many people will definitely impact our quality of

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01:03:35,746 --> 01:03:40,634
life. For ourselves and our neighbours. Just want to rely

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01:03:40,634 --> 01:03:43,514
to that we have just six seconds left. And I

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01:03:43,514 --> 01:03:50,595
think you pretty much wrapped up. Okay. Thank you. Any

671
01:03:50,616 --> 01:03:58,039
questions. Okay. Then we have our Peter, Jehovah, resident Halton

672
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:03,848
Hills delegating on the, on the same report. Good afternoon,

673
01:04:03,888 --> 01:04:07,730
everyone. Good afternoon. Um, I just got a few things

674
01:04:07,730 --> 01:04:12,210
to say. Um, Melody Acres, it's surrounded by single family

675
01:04:12,231 --> 01:04:17,090
dwellings. Um, you know, to the north to the west,

676
01:04:17,090 --> 01:04:20,370
east and south of facility. And these are all going

677
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:23,570
to be impacted by noise levels, which clearly are going

678
01:04:23,570 --> 01:04:26,130
to exceed the sound level limits of the set by

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01:04:26,130 --> 01:04:29,810
the town. On top of it, um, it's set to

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01:04:29,810 --> 01:04:33,330
go on beyond 9 p. m. We live on the

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01:04:33,351 --> 01:04:38,210
corner of 10th line and five side road. And that's

682
01:04:38,711 --> 01:04:42,359
about 300 metres from the location of this event. Last

683
01:04:42,399 --> 01:04:47,079
year on Sunday, July 20th, an outdoor event was held.

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01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:50,359
I measured the sound levels with my trusty little app

685
01:04:50,860 --> 01:04:56,039
metre. And this, they were hitting 70 dB at 7

686
01:04:56,060 --> 01:04:59,559
p. m., which is pretty loud. Um, and that was

687
01:04:59,820 --> 01:05:03,859
loud enough to disrupt our family barbecue, let alone, um,

688
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:11,799
what the possibility of if the bylaw is lifted, this

689
01:05:11,799 --> 01:05:15,479
exemption could go on, beyond 9 p. m. for three

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01:05:15,479 --> 01:05:19,399
days. Um, the outdoor gathering is basically a three day

691
01:05:19,439 --> 01:05:22,599
wedding banquet to be held, um, at an outdoor venue.

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01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:25,239
I don't see why there should be an exemption given

693
01:05:25,279 --> 01:05:28,819
to the noise bylaw, um, to hold this event. And

694
01:05:28,819 --> 01:05:31,319
I don't believe that they even have approval to hold

695
01:05:31,820 --> 01:05:37,738
wedding events out at this location. Thank you. I think

696
01:05:37,738 --> 01:05:40,618
you, Mr. Josh MES. All right. Are there any questions.

697
01:05:42,654 --> 01:05:50,509
Yeah. Any questions site silver? No. Council Turmwell. Thank you

698
01:05:50,530 --> 01:05:52,829
Mr. Chair. I do have a question of staff if

699
01:05:52,829 --> 01:05:54,349
I could if this item is going to be brought

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01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:54,669
forward.

701
01:06:06,804 --> 01:06:09,103
Uh, is it being brought forward Mr. Chair? Yeah. Go

702
01:06:09,103 --> 01:06:12,623
ahead and ask questions. No, there's one more presentation that

703
01:06:12,623 --> 01:06:15,743
comes with Soneville and uh, we'll bring the forward forward.

704
01:06:21,187 --> 01:06:26,526
We have another presentation delegation. It's Nick Dell Harp Rodell.

705
01:06:26,526 --> 01:06:33,479
It's regarding the report on the same report. Nick, uh,

706
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,819
if you can hear us, you go and can proceed

707
01:06:35,859 --> 01:06:36,619
with your presentation.

708
01:06:48,755 --> 01:06:51,814
Hi everyone. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. So

709
01:06:51,814 --> 01:06:53,978
go ahead. Thank you. I'm sorry I'm not able to

710
01:06:53,999 --> 01:06:56,938
be there in person with you today. I just celebrated

711
01:06:56,978 --> 01:07:01,018
the birth of a newborn and not very mobile at

712
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:03,658
the moment for that reason. Um, but I, I appreciate

713
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:07,338
the opportunity to come forward and speak not only in

714
01:07:07,338 --> 01:07:09,418
addition to what the Joba family has said, but also

715
01:07:09,439 --> 01:07:12,758
a little bit of what was before the committee, uh,

716
01:07:12,879 --> 01:07:16,298
Council this afternoon. Uh, I'm a planner. I'm working with

717
01:07:16,338 --> 01:07:18,938
the client to the owner, uh, to help their son

718
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:22,058
have a wedding at this location and an outdoor setting.

719
01:07:22,598 --> 01:07:26,337
Um, we are processing a official plan amendment and rezoning

720
01:07:26,377 --> 01:07:29,681
application. We are in the midst of that review. There

721
01:07:29,782 --> 01:07:32,801
was an event held in 2023, um, that was not

722
01:07:32,822 --> 01:07:35,901
legal. And since then, there hasn't been any events. Um,

723
01:07:36,262 --> 01:07:38,161
a couple of things to understand that I know you

724
01:07:38,201 --> 01:07:39,681
can't really ask questions of a notice that you get

725
01:07:39,721 --> 01:07:41,521
in the mail, but I am glad that the JOHA

726
01:07:41,521 --> 01:07:45,421
family got notice. It's proof that the circulation works. And

727
01:07:45,421 --> 01:07:49,101
that is that this is a temporary, uh, outdoor, uh,

728
01:07:49,142 --> 01:07:52,481
event that does have permission to do so. There are

729
01:07:52,502 --> 01:07:56,881
temporary tent outdoor permits that are included in my presentation.

730
01:07:56,881 --> 01:08:00,961
Um, the slides that I provided to staff related to

731
01:08:01,001 --> 01:08:04,001
the issued permits for those tents, uh, and the approval

732
01:08:04,041 --> 01:08:06,281
from zoning that this is just a temporary event. I

733
01:08:06,281 --> 01:08:09,681
think it's really helpful to think of this, um, like

734
01:08:09,782 --> 01:08:12,561
any normal family would think of having, uh, that reception

735
01:08:12,582 --> 01:08:15,441
for their family at their home, especially on farm settings.

736
01:08:15,441 --> 01:08:18,001
There's a lot of space outdoors to gather people that

737
01:08:18,022 --> 01:08:20,721
don't necessarily conflict with the building code requirements of the

738
01:08:20,721 --> 01:08:23,741
parking requirements of the zoning bylaw for indoor settings. Um,

739
01:08:24,102 --> 01:08:28,161
I think if you're like me, you've attended farm weddings

740
01:08:28,161 --> 01:08:33,121
in Ontario before. And my wedding actually was hosted in

741
01:08:33,161 --> 01:08:35,761
my fiance's family backyard and it was quite a large

742
01:08:35,801 --> 01:08:39,761
and wonderful gathering. What this application is not is seeking

743
01:08:39,942 --> 01:08:42,321
permanent approval for this to continue happening. This is a

744
01:08:42,582 --> 01:08:46,321
personal event for my client's son. Uh, and it's a

745
01:08:46,321 --> 01:08:48,961
family at gathering of about 150 to 200 people that

746
01:08:48,961 --> 01:08:50,321
is going to take place over the course of three

747
01:08:50,321 --> 01:08:52,801
days. Two of those days is going to comply with

748
01:08:52,902 --> 01:08:56,001
the noise exemption bylaw. One of the evenings, they think

749
01:08:56,001 --> 01:08:59,981
will be, um, the celebration will extend past 11. And

750
01:08:59,981 --> 01:09:02,241
that's what's really before Council this evening, but under the

751
01:09:02,262 --> 01:09:06,001
review of the application for noise exemption as well as

752
01:09:06,102 --> 01:09:08,641
a temporary tent permits. It was felt that it would

753
01:09:08,641 --> 01:09:11,201
be prudent to apply for all three. But if Council

754
01:09:11,241 --> 01:09:14,881
is more comfortable, alleviating the concerns of the normal noise

755
01:09:15,062 --> 01:09:17,921
ordinance that is at play, is it in play in

756
01:09:17,921 --> 01:09:20,321
the town of Halton Hills. We're not seeking anything beyond

757
01:09:20,502 --> 01:09:22,961
what you can normally, uh, as loud as you can

758
01:09:23,001 --> 01:09:25,601
normally allow to be before a certain time in Halton

759
01:09:25,601 --> 01:09:30,561
Hales. So these three tenths are approved. Uh, this farm

760
01:09:30,601 --> 01:09:34,641
wedding for the owner's son is happening outdoor. And we're

761
01:09:34,641 --> 01:09:37,841
seeking an exemption for one of the evenings when they

762
01:09:37,942 --> 01:09:41,041
actual winning in the ceremony takes place. Um, just after

763
01:09:41,081 --> 01:09:43,101
that, I think if we hadn't had a little bit

764
01:09:43,101 --> 01:09:46,161
of a blemish on this parcel, uh, this would feel

765
01:09:46,182 --> 01:09:48,721
a little bit more like a routine and normal request,

766
01:09:48,721 --> 01:09:51,521
really a housekeeping matter. Um, to go slightly beyond the

767
01:09:51,521 --> 01:09:55,121
normal ordinance of, of the noise bylaw. But I understand

768
01:09:55,622 --> 01:09:58,721
and I can appreciate that, um, this feels as though

769
01:09:58,822 --> 01:10:00,881
a different animal is looming. But I want to make

770
01:10:00,881 --> 01:10:03,601
sure that we're fair to the application. What's before you

771
01:10:04,182 --> 01:10:06,161
is, I think a very routine request for an event

772
01:10:06,502 --> 01:10:08,481
to take place for the owner's son. It's not a

773
01:10:08,502 --> 01:10:12,001
commercial event. It's not something that we're using for someone

774
01:10:12,001 --> 01:10:14,241
else to come to this property to pay Melody Acres,

775
01:10:14,241 --> 01:10:16,161
which is the numbered company or the name of the

776
01:10:16,182 --> 01:10:19,281
owner of the property. It's not a melody acres event.

777
01:10:20,041 --> 01:10:22,020
LEA car zone is the property and therefore they're the

778
01:10:22,041 --> 01:10:25,520
advocate. It is the owner's son. And I think, um,

779
01:10:26,281 --> 01:10:29,300
the confusion with respect to what's happening with the application,

780
01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:32,180
but that's not what is being requested today. So my

781
01:10:32,281 --> 01:10:33,940
client felt it was helpful for me to be here

782
01:10:34,841 --> 01:10:37,620
to explain a little bit of continuity between the formal

783
01:10:37,641 --> 01:10:41,020
proposal to amend land use. And what I'm going to

784
01:10:41,081 --> 01:10:44,180
call again, a very housekeeping technical request, um, from a

785
01:10:44,361 --> 01:10:47,220
personal aspect, um, of what's before you today. So there

786
01:10:47,321 --> 01:10:50,772
are three tents that are approved. There is a wedding

787
01:10:50,793 --> 01:10:53,172
that's going to happen on these dates. And we're going

788
01:10:53,172 --> 01:10:55,172
to the proper channels to ask for one of the

789
01:10:55,273 --> 01:10:57,812
days to be a little bit louder after the celebration

790
01:10:57,852 --> 01:11:00,910
of their union. And so I just, Mr. Chair 3,

791
01:11:00,910 --> 01:11:02,570
I wanted to make sure that that was clear. Uh,

792
01:11:02,691 --> 01:11:05,710
it's not a permanent approval. This is a one off.

793
01:11:05,710 --> 01:11:09,070
Um, that's not going to impede, um, more than we're

794
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:11,310
allowed to impede except for one of the evenings that

795
01:11:11,310 --> 01:11:14,810
the noise bylaw regulates. And, uh, we're, we're very, um,

796
01:11:15,411 --> 01:11:19,710
jealously protective of my clients, um, son and, and making

797
01:11:19,731 --> 01:11:21,390
sure that they're a good citizen to go through the

798
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:23,470
right process this time around. And so I'd be happy

799
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:25,950
to answer any questions about where we're at when the,

800
01:11:25,950 --> 01:11:28,910
in the formal application, but also, um, in and of

801
01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:32,523
itself, what we're proposing to you this afternoon. Great. Thank

802
01:11:32,563 --> 01:11:36,203
you. Thank you. Uh, Councillor had a question. I'm not

803
01:11:36,203 --> 01:11:38,203
sure who to do. Are you going to direct the

804
01:11:38,203 --> 01:11:42,546
question to, uh, Mr. Council Somerville. The floor yours? Hey,

805
01:11:42,586 --> 01:11:44,866
I could Mr. Chair, but also asking the staff as

806
01:11:44,866 --> 01:11:47,186
well. So you said you only need the exemption on

807
01:11:47,226 --> 01:11:50,226
the one night, but it shows here that both Wednesday

808
01:11:50,247 --> 01:11:54,967
and Thursday evening, you're asking to go until midnight. And,

809
01:11:54,967 --> 01:11:58,167
uh, I don't think either both of those are within

810
01:11:58,207 --> 01:11:59,767
our bylaw. That's why I was going to ask that

811
01:11:59,807 --> 01:12:05,733
for clarification from staff. And they because I have concerns

812
01:12:05,834 --> 01:12:08,465
going to midnight. I'll be very honest. I would if

813
01:12:08,505 --> 01:12:10,705
this was in a urban area and as much as

814
01:12:10,705 --> 01:12:14,465
I would in a rural area and consistently we have

815
01:12:15,526 --> 01:12:19,025
stuck with what our bylaw says, but allowed it. So,

816
01:12:19,025 --> 01:12:21,985
um, I just wanted to get a comment from you

817
01:12:22,006 --> 01:12:25,809
on that. Please. Um, I appreciate the question. Um, I

818
01:12:25,849 --> 01:12:27,249
tried to mention a little bit of this in my

819
01:12:27,289 --> 01:12:31,009
presentation, but I completely understand why I wouldn't be clear.

820
01:12:31,009 --> 01:12:33,009
Cause that is what we're asking for. That was what

821
01:12:33,009 --> 01:12:36,689
we were recommended to ask for through the inspection and

822
01:12:36,689 --> 01:12:39,649
review of the, of the temporary application, um, because you're

823
01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:42,649
having an outdoor event. It's typically an add - on

824
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:44,929
that you should also ask for an exemption, um, for

825
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:47,889
noise on that event. So my clients have given me

826
01:12:47,889 --> 01:12:49,649
instructions and I'm happy to accept this as a condition

827
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:51,869
through Council that it really is only one of the

828
01:12:51,869 --> 01:12:55,329
days. The other two days, um, the follow up and

829
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:58,449
the cool down from the, um, event is not going

830
01:12:58,449 --> 01:13:03,089
to go over, um, the, the current noise bylaw. Um,

831
01:13:03,190 --> 01:13:05,969
and I think what's important, what this question really points

832
01:13:06,009 --> 01:13:11,809
to is that, um, everyone can sort of, with permission,

833
01:13:11,809 --> 01:13:14,849
um, be allowed up to a certain point in Halton

834
01:13:14,889 --> 01:13:17,089
Hales. It's not a request that we're making of that

835
01:13:17,129 --> 01:13:21,416
because that's what the noise by law is for. Whether

836
01:13:22,317 --> 01:13:25,176
it corresponds to our personal feelings about bedtime and where

837
01:13:25,277 --> 01:13:28,456
your family is in a rural urban setting, um, we

838
01:13:28,557 --> 01:13:30,216
are not allowed to be loud after a certain time

839
01:13:30,477 --> 01:13:32,936
no matter what happens. But because we have three tenths

840
01:13:32,936 --> 01:13:36,376
approved, um, they felt it would be prudent to spread

841
01:13:36,477 --> 01:13:39,416
the approval across the three dates, but my client has

842
01:13:39,456 --> 01:13:41,336
told me in no one's certain terms, the only intend

843
01:13:41,336 --> 01:13:43,736
to go past it on one of the dates, which

844
01:13:43,736 --> 01:13:49,408
would be the middle date. The Thursday. Yeah. That would

845
01:13:49,408 --> 01:13:53,928
be the 30th, Mr. Scherer. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I

846
01:13:53,928 --> 01:13:58,373
do have questions of stops. Though. Okay. Thank you. Are

847
01:13:58,413 --> 01:14:02,209
there any other questions. I see none sole Council Songville.

848
01:14:02,209 --> 01:14:07,195
You can ask the question to SAF. Uh, thank you.

849
01:14:07,195 --> 01:14:09,675
And assuming before we do that, I think we need

850
01:14:09,675 --> 01:14:13,264
to bring the report forward first. I was just going

851
01:14:13,264 --> 01:14:16,144
to offer to move that to come forward, Mr. Chairman.

852
01:14:16,184 --> 01:14:19,964
Okay. Thank you. So the reports on the table, uh,

853
01:14:20,325 --> 01:14:24,710
questions for on the report. Council Somerville. You have a

854
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:28,690
question. Thank you. So I guess through you to, I'm

855
01:14:28,690 --> 01:14:34,015
assuming, Oh, the Adam. It would be to Adam. Our

856
01:14:34,015 --> 01:14:38,515
noise bylaw currently, if we didn't have an exemption, would

857
01:14:38,555 --> 01:14:43,092
be to 11 p. m. Correct. Through the chair to

858
01:14:43,353 --> 01:14:48,132
you, Councillor. Yes. That's correct. 11 p. m. Basically states

859
01:14:48,153 --> 01:14:51,652
that there's no sound clearly audible is permitted after 11

860
01:14:51,753 --> 01:14:56,132
p. m. Okay. And I guess historically asking you for

861
01:14:56,172 --> 01:15:01,412
what we've done previous on the, uh, noise requests that

862
01:15:01,452 --> 01:15:06,259
we've had. Um, if I recall, we've pretty well always,

863
01:15:06,259 --> 01:15:08,659
if we've granted the exemption, we've said, yes, that they

864
01:15:08,659 --> 01:15:13,718
have to go to that 11 p. m. sound. Uh,

865
01:15:13,739 --> 01:15:16,918
through the chair to the Councillor, I believe that the

866
01:15:17,019 --> 01:15:20,578
previous two, at least two or three of these, uh,

867
01:15:23,019 --> 01:15:27,638
they've requested beyond midnight. And I think Council granted until

868
01:15:27,659 --> 01:15:34,988
midnight, if I'm not mistaken. I remember being to 11

869
01:15:35,009 --> 01:15:39,388
on one of them, uh, anyway, it was located in

870
01:15:39,388 --> 01:15:42,128
a more urban area as well. Okay. Mr. Chair, those

871
01:15:42,128 --> 01:15:44,208
are my questions of staff and all of a comment

872
01:15:45,429 --> 01:15:49,648
or direction once we have other speakers. Okay. Thank you.

873
01:15:49,648 --> 01:15:55,065
We do have other speakers. Councillor Norris. Thank you Mr.

874
01:15:55,105 --> 01:15:58,425
Chair. And a question for the staff on this one

875
01:15:58,425 --> 01:16:01,785
here. I did hear one of the delegates earlier referring

876
01:16:01,825 --> 01:16:05,225
to the not just the time, but the level of

877
01:16:05,265 --> 01:16:09,817
the sound. His comment was referring to earlier in the

878
01:16:09,938 --> 01:16:12,397
time because they were enjoying a barbecue. So, but they

879
01:16:12,397 --> 01:16:15,437
were having that disrupted. My question would be not only

880
01:16:15,477 --> 01:16:19,037
just the time that would be the, um, within the

881
01:16:19,058 --> 01:16:22,393
bylaw. Do we have a decibel level. That has to

882
01:16:22,393 --> 01:16:28,620
be, um. You have to stay within. As well. Through

883
01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:32,060
the chair to you, Councillor, yes, we do. So table

884
01:16:32,241 --> 01:16:35,980
six on page 10 of the bylaw specifies the certain

885
01:16:36,401 --> 01:16:39,420
times of day and certain decibel levels that are permitted.

886
01:16:40,609 --> 01:16:45,708
So the maximum decibel level on weekdays and Saturdays from

887
01:16:45,969 --> 01:16:49,068
5 p. m. Sorry from 7 a. m. until 5

888
01:16:49,108 --> 01:16:54,668
p. m. would be 63 decibels would be the maximum.

889
01:16:54,668 --> 01:16:58,028
And then from again, 9 a. m. until 5 p.

890
01:16:58,028 --> 01:17:01,468
m. on Sundays and statutory holidays. It's the same 63

891
01:17:01,489 --> 01:17:06,746
decibels. And then from 5 p. m. until midnight, we

892
01:17:06,746 --> 01:17:10,306
have 50 decibels. So it lessens during that, uh, that

893
01:17:10,306 --> 01:17:14,830
time period. Okay. Thank you for that. And, um, just

894
01:17:14,851 --> 01:17:18,270
for us who are not really fully understanding that, what

895
01:17:18,270 --> 01:17:20,510
would that be similar to if we're looking at 50

896
01:17:20,531 --> 01:17:23,470
decibels? What could you relate that to? Through the chair

897
01:17:23,491 --> 01:17:28,110
to the Councillor. It's difficult to say what it's like

898
01:17:28,451 --> 01:17:30,810
because it really depends on the point of reception. And

899
01:17:30,810 --> 01:17:32,590
the point of reception, what we call the point of

900
01:17:32,590 --> 01:17:36,190
reception is the point that someone is concerned with the

901
01:17:36,190 --> 01:17:38,470
noise level. And that could be a kilometer away. It

902
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:41,230
could be five kilometers away. And depending on the distance,

903
01:17:41,230 --> 01:17:42,990
you're going to get a different reading at each of

904
01:17:42,990 --> 01:17:45,946
those distances. So one of the one of these speakers

905
01:17:46,047 --> 01:17:50,266
was referring to being 300 metres away. Um, if the,

906
01:17:50,306 --> 01:17:53,866
the sound coming from the properties of PIT decibels, what

907
01:17:53,866 --> 01:17:56,750
could that realistically sound like. Through the chair to the

908
01:17:56,790 --> 01:18:02,490
Councillor 50 decibels, uh, 300, sorry, 300 metres away, you

909
01:18:02,490 --> 01:18:05,070
had said. That's what I heard. Yeah. I mean, it

910
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:10,510
could sound loud. It could overbear a conversation. Um, it

911
01:18:10,611 --> 01:18:13,950
really depends. It depends on whether the speakers are pointed

912
01:18:14,131 --> 01:18:16,270
in the direction of that property. There are still other

913
01:18:16,371 --> 01:18:21,375
variables. But, uh, it could potentially be disruptive. Okay. Yep.

914
01:18:21,375 --> 01:18:26,614
Thank you for that. Thank you, Councillor Norris. Uh, mayor.

915
01:18:28,914 --> 01:18:32,253
Yeah. Thanks very much. And, uh, my question is I

916
01:18:32,253 --> 01:18:38,013
think along the same lines that Councillor Norris is. And,

917
01:18:38,114 --> 01:18:42,493
and I'm curious to know where the decibels are measured.

918
01:18:44,325 --> 01:18:49,244
And because if they're measured at source versus at, you

919
01:18:49,244 --> 01:18:52,251
know, the receiving end. Then I think that could be

920
01:18:53,072 --> 01:18:57,751
quite different. So, um, can you share a little bit

921
01:18:57,751 --> 01:19:01,709
of that. Yeah. Through the Councillor to you, Madam Mayor.

922
01:19:02,190 --> 01:19:05,129
If we were to measure the sound level from the

923
01:19:05,150 --> 01:19:09,049
source location from the property with the speakers and having

924
01:19:09,089 --> 01:19:12,329
the venue, it would certainly be louder and read louder

925
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:16,889
than it would from, uh, complainant properties, so to speak,

926
01:19:16,889 --> 01:19:20,249
or from a point of reception, a further distance away.

927
01:19:20,249 --> 01:19:24,169
Um, the way that we enforced the bylaw in enforcement

928
01:19:24,209 --> 01:19:27,449
services though is taking that measurement from a point of

929
01:19:27,489 --> 01:19:32,204
reception. And the point of reception may be a patio

930
01:19:32,225 --> 01:19:37,244
area in someone's backyard nearby. At times maybe from within

931
01:19:37,265 --> 01:19:40,604
someone's house if that noise is entering their home from

932
01:19:40,644 --> 01:19:45,303
another property as well. Okay. So you would be measuring

933
01:19:45,343 --> 01:19:50,177
the impact on a neighbouring property. When you're measuring this

934
01:19:50,598 --> 01:19:53,137
disability through the chair. Do you matter mayor? Yes. That's

935
01:19:53,137 --> 01:19:56,097
correct. We would be measuring the impact from the impacted

936
01:19:56,137 --> 01:20:01,217
location. Okay. And, um, can you tell us what the

937
01:20:01,217 --> 01:20:06,257
process is, um, during the course of an event, um,

938
01:20:06,518 --> 01:20:10,257
the neighbours feel as though the decibel level is elevated.

939
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,289
And beyond what they feel, uh, it should be. What

940
01:20:16,289 --> 01:20:21,809
is the process? How do they remedy that? Or how

941
01:20:21,849 --> 01:20:25,544
does that get reviewed. Through the chair to you, Madam

942
01:20:25,544 --> 01:20:28,677
Mayor. Essentially the report that's in front of you is

943
01:20:28,778 --> 01:20:33,397
asking for two exemptions. It's asking for an exemption from

944
01:20:33,418 --> 01:20:37,957
the decibel requirement. It's also asking for an exemption to

945
01:20:39,498 --> 01:20:42,966
the going beyond 11 PM. Typically when we've had these

946
01:20:43,067 --> 01:20:46,006
reports in the past, they're always asking for those two

947
01:20:46,046 --> 01:20:51,046
exemptions. So ultimately the application in front of you is

948
01:20:51,307 --> 01:20:55,606
to allow for in excess of the decibels that the

949
01:20:55,707 --> 01:21:01,388
bylaw states. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. And it

950
01:21:01,428 --> 01:21:05,148
would be for the full amount of time that is

951
01:21:05,169 --> 01:21:09,018
indicated here the three days. Through the chair to you,

952
01:21:09,018 --> 01:21:12,138
Matt, to you, Madam Mayor. Originally when we got this

953
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:16,758
report, it was for three days. It was for, let

954
01:21:16,758 --> 01:21:20,378
me give you this specific times and days. It was

955
01:21:20,639 --> 01:21:25,338
for July 29, 6 p. m. until midnight, July 30th,

956
01:21:25,338 --> 01:21:29,175
6 p. m. until midnight. And Friday, July 31st, 2

957
01:21:29,175 --> 01:21:32,015
p. m. until 6 p. m. Late last week, I

958
01:21:32,116 --> 01:21:38,015
received an email from the applicant. Basically saying that they

959
01:21:38,116 --> 01:21:41,455
no longer required all of those dates and times that

960
01:21:41,495 --> 01:21:45,215
the only date and Mr. Dell alluded to this in

961
01:21:45,215 --> 01:21:49,855
his presentation. The only date really required was the Thursday,

962
01:21:49,855 --> 01:21:54,696
which is July 30th, I believe. And, uh, in the

963
01:21:54,696 --> 01:21:57,816
email that I received last week, they actually say that

964
01:21:57,856 --> 01:22:00,976
they would only be going up until 11 p. m.

965
01:22:01,037 --> 01:22:03,656
and not exceeding that 11 p. m. So if that

966
01:22:03,696 --> 01:22:05,976
is the case, then the only exemption that would be

967
01:22:06,077 --> 01:22:10,056
required would be the exemption from the decibel level, from

968
01:22:10,056 --> 01:22:20,030
the maximum decibel level. Okay. Well, if. Just

969
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:22,970
to get something on the floor and to clarify, um,

970
01:22:23,491 --> 01:22:27,470
I will, I will propose that amendment to the written

971
01:22:27,651 --> 01:22:31,230
report that we have, if that's what they're asking for.

972
01:22:32,517 --> 01:22:37,456
That just an exemption from the decibel level, um, 211

973
01:22:37,557 --> 01:22:41,175
p. m. on the Thursday evening. Through the chair to

974
01:22:41,175 --> 01:22:42,855
you, Madam Mayor. Yes, that's correct. That is the most

975
01:22:43,116 --> 01:22:49,034
recent correspondence I received from the applicant. Okay. And, um,

976
01:22:49,235 --> 01:22:53,534
now that said, is that about level, is it thin

977
01:22:53,574 --> 01:22:59,313
unlimited. That's kind of scary. Through the chair to you,

978
01:22:59,313 --> 01:23:04,296
Madam Mayor. I guess it is, yes, but I mean,

979
01:23:05,677 --> 01:23:09,176
you know, if you, or Council would like to impose

980
01:23:09,197 --> 01:23:13,496
something different, uh, I'm sure a maximum decibel level could

981
01:23:13,536 --> 01:23:17,976
be, could be opted into. You know, over, over and

982
01:23:18,016 --> 01:23:21,180
above what the Byla allows. To put a threshold, I

983
01:23:21,180 --> 01:23:26,644
guess. Okay. Well, then I'll put it at the 63.

984
01:23:28,693 --> 01:23:33,876
Okay. So there's my, there's my, to get, to get

985
01:23:33,916 --> 01:23:36,804
something on the floor. And for further discussion.

986
01:23:58,829 --> 01:24:02,808
Uh, Council Engels, who are you're next? And thank you,

987
01:24:02,808 --> 01:24:05,849
Mr. Chair. Um, my questions were along there. I think

988
01:24:05,870 --> 01:24:09,689
they've been answered, but Adam, just to, just to confirm.

989
01:24:09,891 --> 01:24:12,990
I was a little confused with the three days once

990
01:24:12,990 --> 01:24:20,815
the delegation, the latter delegation spoke. So the time exemption,

991
01:24:20,815 --> 01:24:24,335
PAST 11 is for one day in that Thursday the

992
01:24:24,375 --> 01:24:29,530
30. My correct saying that. Through the chair to you,

993
01:24:29,530 --> 01:24:32,894
Councillor. From the email that I received again late last

994
01:24:32,915 --> 01:24:35,614
week, and, uh, it was at that point I wasn't

995
01:24:35,614 --> 01:24:38,474
able to change the report that had been written. Um,

996
01:24:39,315 --> 01:24:41,934
they're only asking to go up until the applicants only

997
01:24:41,974 --> 01:24:46,035
asking to go up until 11 PM. So they wouldn't

998
01:24:46,056 --> 01:24:52,127
be exceeding that maximum time requirement. On any of the

999
01:24:52,248 --> 01:24:56,012
dates. Through the councillor, through the chair to you, Mr.

1000
01:24:56,012 --> 01:24:59,392
Councillor. Yes. They're only asking for the Thursday and that

1001
01:24:59,392 --> 01:25:01,872
would be the latest day going up until 11 PM.

1002
01:25:05,057 --> 01:25:07,996
Okay. So really all they're asking for is a maximum

1003
01:25:08,097 --> 01:25:14,569
decibel level. For the one day, the Thursday of July,

1004
01:25:14,569 --> 01:25:17,049
sorry, not the, to be above, to be exempted from

1005
01:25:17,049 --> 01:25:21,769
the maximum decibel level for the one single day, Thursday,

1006
01:25:21,769 --> 01:25:25,469
the 30th. Through the chair to you, Mr. Councillor. Yes,

1007
01:25:25,469 --> 01:25:33,682
that's correct. Everything relating to the other, um, the other

1008
01:25:33,682 --> 01:25:37,682
two dates, the 29th and the 31st in is unnecessary

1009
01:25:37,783 --> 01:25:41,362
in the report then correct? Through the chair to you,

1010
01:25:41,362 --> 01:25:46,082
Councillor. Yes, that's correct. Those were originally applied for, for

1011
01:25:46,082 --> 01:25:49,122
the exemption, but then that was sort of withdrawn late

1012
01:25:49,122 --> 01:25:55,201
last week. We are basically going for decibel level exemption

1013
01:25:55,462 --> 01:25:59,307
on one day. And on the, on the floor right

1014
01:25:59,307 --> 01:26:05,220
now is a 63 decibel maximum. Correct. Through the chair

1015
01:26:05,241 --> 01:26:09,017
to you, Councillor. Yes, that's correct. Okay. I can't see

1016
01:26:09,038 --> 01:26:13,360
anybody there. So I will. Okay, it was a little

1017
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,060
confused for a bit there. And thank you for, uh,

1018
01:26:16,581 --> 01:26:19,247
clarifying all of that. I'm not too sure where the

1019
01:26:19,348 --> 01:26:22,527
63 decibel sits in or why that was why that

1020
01:26:22,527 --> 01:26:25,807
number was picked or, or, or that. But maybe you

1021
01:26:25,807 --> 01:26:28,527
could clarify that. Why, well, maybe you couldn't because you

1022
01:26:28,567 --> 01:26:32,447
didn't put the number on the, on the floor. Could

1023
01:26:32,447 --> 01:26:35,967
I, I wonder if somebody could clarify that. Why, why,

1024
01:26:36,007 --> 01:26:40,039
why 63. Through the chair to you, Councillor, I believe

1025
01:26:40,140 --> 01:26:44,839
that Madam Mayor posed 63 because that's the maximum level

1026
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:49,999
for, uh, sorry, 7 a. m. until 5 p. m.

1027
01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:53,719
on weekdays and Saturdays. And it's the same maximum level

1028
01:26:53,900 --> 01:26:56,839
for 9 a. m. to 5 p. m. on Sundays

1029
01:26:57,020 --> 01:27:02,136
and statutory holidays. This, this though, being later in the

1030
01:27:02,157 --> 01:27:04,696
day beyond the 5 p. m. So it would exceed

1031
01:27:04,736 --> 01:27:09,736
the 50 decibels, which is the maximum allowed after beyond

1032
01:27:10,237 --> 01:27:14,996
5 p. m., but it would exceed the 50. But

1033
01:27:14,996 --> 01:27:19,115
again, on the floor is up to 63 decibels. Oh,

1034
01:27:19,155 --> 01:27:21,675
that's good. No, I understand it. Now, thanks for clarifying.

1035
01:27:23,935 --> 01:27:27,830
After other speakers, I will wait. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1036
01:27:37,307 --> 01:27:43,286
Thank you, Adema. Madam Clerk, I've commented regarding the 63

1037
01:27:43,467 --> 01:27:47,482
decibels, okay? Thank you, Mr. Chairman, through you. So I

1038
01:27:47,583 --> 01:27:52,042
understand the limit for the 63 decibels, but I think

1039
01:27:52,042 --> 01:27:54,762
it will be very difficult for enforcement services to get

1040
01:27:54,762 --> 01:27:57,482
out there at 11 o'clock if the, if a complaint

1041
01:27:57,482 --> 01:28:00,042
comes in to say that the noise is very loud,

1042
01:28:00,042 --> 01:28:04,046
because our officers won't be working that evening. So I

1043
01:28:04,046 --> 01:28:07,367
can, I can see the exemption for. Two go past

1044
01:28:07,388 --> 01:28:10,807
a certain time frame. I don't know if it's convenient

1045
01:28:10,988 --> 01:28:13,047
or suitable enough for us to actually put a decibel

1046
01:28:13,148 --> 01:28:16,138
level on that. Adam, I don't know if you want

1047
01:28:16,138 --> 01:28:20,408
to comment on that. I agree. Uh, I agree with

1048
01:28:20,448 --> 01:28:23,048
the town clerk that it would be very difficult for

1049
01:28:23,069 --> 01:28:26,088
us to be out there at a specific time to

1050
01:28:26,269 --> 01:28:30,328
take that reading. Um, and to confirm that it is

1051
01:28:30,429 --> 01:28:35,781
under that 63 decibels, um, it would be difficult. And

1052
01:28:35,781 --> 01:28:40,121
it may be. Easier to enforce if it was a

1053
01:28:40,121 --> 01:28:42,441
specific time period rather than a decibel level.

1054
01:28:49,992 --> 01:28:51,891
Let them married. Did you have a comment on one

1055
01:28:51,931 --> 01:28:53,971
comment? Well, I guess it just kind of begs the

1056
01:28:54,072 --> 01:28:56,155
question, why do we even have it. Why do we

1057
01:28:56,155 --> 01:28:59,595
have any mention of Decibel levels in the bylaw at

1058
01:28:59,616 --> 01:29:07,396
all. But. Like I said, it begs the question. So

1059
01:29:07,417 --> 01:29:10,196
I'm just, I put it in there in order that

1060
01:29:10,937 --> 01:29:16,196
the residents, um, adjoining neighbouring residents would have some basis

1061
01:29:16,196 --> 01:29:22,422
for relief. And could they call the police. In that

1062
01:29:22,422 --> 01:29:27,246
case. Through to the chair to you, Madam Mayor. Yes.

1063
01:29:27,267 --> 01:29:29,665
Calling the police is always an option. In a situation

1064
01:29:29,766 --> 01:29:32,225
like this, what may happen if someone were to call

1065
01:29:32,225 --> 01:29:35,025
the police, though they may show them, you know, their

1066
01:29:35,046 --> 01:29:38,545
approvals that they have for this event if approvals are

1067
01:29:38,585 --> 01:29:42,305
given. And, uh, I mean, it would be ultimately a

1068
01:29:42,345 --> 01:29:44,865
matter taking up between the police and, and the property

1069
01:29:44,905 --> 01:29:48,090
owner at that point. Sure. Sure. Okay.

1070
01:29:55,462 --> 01:30:00,353
Councillor Norris. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I'm hearing what's

1071
01:30:00,353 --> 01:30:02,593
being said. Then and I do completely understand that it

1072
01:30:02,593 --> 01:30:06,593
would be a challenge to have enforcement out at that

1073
01:30:06,593 --> 01:30:09,713
time at night. Um, for what we're looking at, this

1074
01:30:10,134 --> 01:30:12,513
has been identified as a private event, but in a

1075
01:30:12,513 --> 01:30:16,113
location that's actually being, the proposal in there to have

1076
01:30:16,113 --> 01:30:22,193
a regular, um, uh, wedding facility there. Um, this is

1077
01:30:22,193 --> 01:30:26,005
just talking not even have thought about this before. Is

1078
01:30:26,106 --> 01:30:29,285
there a spot where we can actually then bring this,

1079
01:30:29,285 --> 01:30:31,845
uh, requirement at the 63 decibels. If we go with

1080
01:30:31,845 --> 01:30:36,085
that number, uh, to be responsible, um, the responsibility of

1081
01:30:36,426 --> 01:30:39,365
the landowner in this case, the people that are hosting

1082
01:30:39,386 --> 01:30:42,245
it, that they would then have to monitor for themselves.

1083
01:30:43,601 --> 01:30:47,420
And then take that, um, responsibility as a good neighbour.

1084
01:30:48,423 --> 01:30:52,322
Um, and then of course if that is abused, then

1085
01:30:52,343 --> 01:30:54,962
the neighbours would have the option to phone the police.

1086
01:30:54,962 --> 01:30:58,760
Could we put that as part of the requirement. Through

1087
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,860
the chair to you, Councillor, it could be done. But

1088
01:31:01,860 --> 01:31:05,320
again, it, how do we prove that they did exceed

1089
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:08,280
that number if they did and we didn't have staff

1090
01:31:08,301 --> 01:31:10,760
out there to measure. That would be the difficulty. That

1091
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,356
would be the challenge. Oh, thank you for that. But

1092
01:31:13,356 --> 01:31:15,016
if we had put it on there, then we'd be

1093
01:31:15,317 --> 01:31:18,496
looking to the applicant then to, uh, be part of

1094
01:31:18,496 --> 01:31:22,404
the honour system to, um, to stay within that. Knowing

1095
01:31:22,444 --> 01:31:25,844
that, you know, enforcement's difficult, but, you know, they would

1096
01:31:25,884 --> 01:31:30,608
take that responsibility. And just hope that the actors could

1097
01:31:30,608 --> 01:31:36,668
neighbours. Just my thought. Council Someville, you have another question.

1098
01:31:39,886 --> 01:31:42,325
I did. Thank you. And it was just to, um,

1099
01:31:42,766 --> 01:31:45,984
understand what the mayor put on the floor. What the

1100
01:31:45,984 --> 01:31:47,824
amendment was going to be. I just want to make

1101
01:31:47,824 --> 01:31:51,410
sure I have that clear in my head. And a

1102
01:31:51,431 --> 01:32:00,027
mayor. Okay. That maximum

1103
01:32:02,048 --> 01:32:09,580
time. That amplified sound could be delivered is to 11

1104
01:32:09,761 --> 01:32:16,628
p. m. on the Thursday evening only. And that the

1105
01:32:17,289 --> 01:32:25,443
sound must remain under 63 decibels during that time. Okay.

1106
01:32:25,944 --> 01:32:27,683
So thank you for that, Madam Mayor. I wanted to

1107
01:32:27,683 --> 01:32:31,714
make sure I was clear on it. To, uh, as

1108
01:32:31,754 --> 01:32:34,034
we were getting farther down into the discussion. That's all

1109
01:32:34,055 --> 01:32:36,514
it was, Mr. Chair's just understanding what's on the floor.

1110
01:32:37,130 --> 01:32:43,192
Thank you. I see no other questions. So, uh, I

1111
01:32:43,192 --> 01:32:50,743
guess we'll entertain the mayor's amendment to the report. There

1112
01:32:50,743 --> 01:32:57,577
are any questions to that amendment. I see none. Only

1113
01:32:57,577 --> 01:33:04,495
favor. And we'll just carry the report.

1114
01:33:16,035 --> 01:33:20,254
So I've been informed that our option B amended is

1115
01:33:20,675 --> 01:33:26,243
what we're looking for and what we're voting on. Have

1116
01:33:26,243 --> 01:33:32,218
a mover. Yeah. Councillor Norris, only favor. Carrie.

1117
01:33:53,521 --> 01:33:57,180
All right. So, uh, we delve up to D. We're

1118
01:33:57,180 --> 01:34:00,860
now on item D. And that is Rob Russell. Russell

1119
01:34:00,961 --> 01:34:06,040
Planning. Delegating two committee regarding Georgetown Go Protective Major Transit

1120
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:12,283
area. And George Tongal Station area. Mill Street Corrido Secondary

1121
01:34:12,323 --> 01:34:18,046
Plan. And it's referred to 92T in the report. Mr.

1122
01:34:18,067 --> 01:34:23,200
Russell. What was yours? Uh, good evening, Chair Banno. Members

1123
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,000
of the committee. Want to also take this opportunity to

1124
01:34:26,341 --> 01:34:27,840
probably the last time I'll be before you for this

1125
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,760
Council term. So thank you for your assistance over the

1126
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,000
last four years. And some of you longer than that,

1127
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,000
of course. Um, anyway, as Chair Albano mentioned, I'm here

1128
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,560
about the Georgetown Ghost Secondary Plan, OPA 64. And I

1129
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,180
know a lot of work's been done on this. And

1130
01:34:43,180 --> 01:34:45,360
just for added context, I, as some of you know

1131
01:34:45,701 --> 01:34:47,440
in some of staff, no, I lived in the South

1132
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:50,080
Precinct for 10 years. I moved away just as this

1133
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:51,840
process was getting started. Had nothing to do with the

1134
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,480
process at all, uh, but it was, you know, a

1135
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:57,422
decision, my family and I made. But so I'm very

1136
01:34:57,523 --> 01:35:01,082
familiar with the neighbourhood. I'm familiar with the area. Uh,

1137
01:35:01,082 --> 01:35:03,902
and unfortunately I was just retained just a couple of

1138
01:35:03,942 --> 01:35:05,982
weeks ago, uh, for a client who was looking at

1139
01:35:06,563 --> 01:35:09,982
potential, potentially some other options in terms of some of

1140
01:35:09,982 --> 01:35:12,702
the properties he owns on King Street, uh, the north

1141
01:35:12,702 --> 01:35:15,001
side of King Street. To be designated as, as medium

1142
01:35:15,182 --> 01:35:17,321
density. And unfortunately it was just too late in the

1143
01:35:17,361 --> 01:35:20,041
process to really have that conversation with staff and explore

1144
01:35:20,041 --> 01:35:23,321
this. So my request here is simple is I'm not

1145
01:35:23,321 --> 01:35:26,181
asking you to redesignate or amend the secondary plan, but

1146
01:35:26,181 --> 01:35:30,041
give us some extra time, you know, potential defer, whether

1147
01:35:30,041 --> 01:35:32,441
it's all of OPA 64, whether it's carving out this

1148
01:35:32,542 --> 01:35:35,561
block. Just a little extra time to have those conversations.

1149
01:35:35,561 --> 01:35:39,061
But staff and try and see what is possible. And

1150
01:35:39,061 --> 01:35:42,241
I do believe with my knowledge of the area, I

1151
01:35:42,241 --> 01:35:46,173
do believe this is something that's worthwhile considering. And with

1152
01:35:46,173 --> 01:35:48,316
that, I'm happy to answer any questions. Great. Thank you

1153
01:35:48,657 --> 01:35:52,156
Mr. Russell. I believe that Todd Councillor Bras had your

1154
01:35:52,156 --> 01:35:58,389
hand up. Have a question. Yes, thank you, Chair, through

1155
01:35:58,389 --> 01:36:02,789
you to Mr. Russell. Thanks for, uh, delegating and for

1156
01:36:02,829 --> 01:36:04,869
those comments, it has been nice to see you over

1157
01:36:04,909 --> 01:36:08,309
the last four years as well. Uh, can you, you

1158
01:36:08,490 --> 01:36:10,709
just touched on it, but I wonder, are you talking

1159
01:36:10,749 --> 01:36:14,964
about. The, uh, MTSA or the secondary plant are both?

1160
01:36:15,865 --> 01:36:19,284
The secondary plan specifically, the lands are currently outside of

1161
01:36:19,324 --> 01:36:22,964
the PTMSA and with discussing with my client, uh, Mr.

1162
01:36:23,065 --> 01:36:27,844
Presswood, uh, we felt putting these lands in the PTMSA

1163
01:36:27,865 --> 01:36:31,764
was not necessarily the best option. Um, I'm not going

1164
01:36:31,764 --> 01:36:35,764
to say be unwilling to considerate, but we felt probably

1165
01:36:35,785 --> 01:36:39,124
the easiest path forward, uh, and the easiest discussion with

1166
01:36:39,124 --> 01:36:43,764
staff, uh, would have been to, uh, explore the opportunity

1167
01:36:43,804 --> 01:36:49,208
for designating its medium density. But again, we are willing

1168
01:36:49,208 --> 01:36:51,688
to consider other options. This is really, as I said,

1169
01:36:51,789 --> 01:36:53,688
just got involved in this a couple of weeks ago.

1170
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:56,618
Thank you, Mr. Russell. Thank you, Chair. When the report

1171
01:36:56,658 --> 01:36:59,978
comes forward, I'll have some comments, please. Great. Thank you,

1172
01:36:59,978 --> 01:37:02,858
Mr. Brown. Council Brass? Uh, are there any other questions.

1173
01:37:09,046 --> 01:37:11,665
Thanks very much for coming forward and presenting this idea.

1174
01:37:13,337 --> 01:37:18,196
Can you describe your, um, how long your client has

1175
01:37:18,196 --> 01:37:22,995
owned the property. Uh, that I cannot say. I have

1176
01:37:22,995 --> 01:37:26,355
not asked those questions. There's four properties involved that my

1177
01:37:26,355 --> 01:37:31,635
client specifically owns is 83 through 93 King Street North.

1178
01:37:31,635 --> 01:37:34,035
And unfortunately, I don't have that information at my fingertips

1179
01:37:34,075 --> 01:37:39,064
right now. Do you know if they've been aware of

1180
01:37:40,125 --> 01:37:43,784
this exercise that's been going on for probably in excess

1181
01:37:43,805 --> 01:37:48,440
of three years. And that I can say that no,

1182
01:37:48,461 --> 01:37:51,560
they only really just became aware of the process and

1183
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:55,809
the implications within the past month or so. So they

1184
01:37:55,849 --> 01:38:00,516
must have. They must have acquired the property quite recently

1185
01:38:01,177 --> 01:38:05,956
because it's been quite a subject of neighbourhood debate and

1186
01:38:05,996 --> 01:38:10,836
discussion all along King Street certainly and throughout it's been

1187
01:38:11,417 --> 01:38:15,636
quite widely circulated. So I'm curious to know a little

1188
01:38:15,636 --> 01:38:18,916
bit more about when they found out about this process.

1189
01:38:19,087 --> 01:38:24,106
And why they're coming literally at the last minute to,

1190
01:38:24,287 --> 01:38:28,999
to ask for deferral. Yeah. And, uh, through, through the

1191
01:38:29,039 --> 01:38:32,519
chair to Madam Mayor, I don't unfortunately have a good

1192
01:38:32,519 --> 01:38:35,239
answer for that. It is, uh, I've been in the

1193
01:38:35,239 --> 01:38:37,959
business long enough with clients who sometimes miss their deadline

1194
01:38:38,220 --> 01:38:40,999
or they don't even realise what's happened till later on.

1195
01:38:40,999 --> 01:38:43,639
Uh, and yes, I'm certainly aware that there's been a

1196
01:38:43,639 --> 01:38:46,999
lot of work going on on it by staff and

1197
01:38:47,039 --> 01:38:49,719
Council involvement, but I just, you know, I don't have

1198
01:38:50,140 --> 01:38:54,282
a good answer for you, unfortunately. Okay. And, and, but

1199
01:38:54,463 --> 01:38:58,682
they've assembled a set of properties like four properties. Yes.

1200
01:38:58,682 --> 01:39:02,526
Correct. So they've assembled properties. But they're not aware of

1201
01:39:02,947 --> 01:39:06,126
the process that's been going on for quite some time.

1202
01:39:07,138 --> 01:39:15,698
That is correct. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions. It's

1203
01:39:15,698 --> 01:39:20,555
okay with Council will bring the report forward. Yes. All

1204
01:39:20,555 --> 01:39:24,354
in favor of that. Yes. Okay. Um, okay. So the

1205
01:39:24,394 --> 01:39:26,914
ports on the table and, uh, Councillor Bryce, you had

1206
01:39:27,015 --> 01:39:32,055
a comment to make on that report. Yes, I did,

1207
01:39:32,055 --> 01:39:35,495
Chair. Thank you. And, um, throughout this process, I've been

1208
01:39:35,495 --> 01:39:40,055
very vocal about, uh, the fact that, um, I don't

1209
01:39:40,076 --> 01:39:43,895
like the way this was handled with regards to transparency.

1210
01:39:45,174 --> 01:39:48,913
I think it's, uh, in fact, the opposite of transparency.

1211
01:39:48,913 --> 01:39:52,913
And I think the mayor having a house in this

1212
01:39:52,953 --> 01:39:56,148
area is an incredibly conflict of interest. Which was not

1213
01:39:56,169 --> 01:40:00,407
declared. Apparently it was okay, but in my, my, my

1214
01:40:00,447 --> 01:40:04,382
mind, uh, very bad taste. And also part of the

1215
01:40:04,422 --> 01:40:08,481
steering committee, which I think is a. Uh, totally against

1216
01:40:08,502 --> 01:40:12,241
transparency and something that I would not be part of.

1217
01:40:12,924 --> 01:40:15,783
Um, hearing us tonight is something I've heard in the

1218
01:40:15,783 --> 01:40:19,543
community from a few other people about that area and

1219
01:40:19,543 --> 01:40:22,183
some of the challenges that may be coming. If this

1220
01:40:22,183 --> 01:40:25,463
is approved tonight. So with that, I would like to

1221
01:40:25,503 --> 01:40:29,623
put on the floor to defer OPA 63 and 64

1222
01:40:29,804 --> 01:40:32,428
to the next term of Council. So we can take

1223
01:40:32,468 --> 01:40:36,356
a wholesome and look at this. Take it slow. Do

1224
01:40:36,356 --> 01:40:40,256
it right. And get it right. I'll put that on

1225
01:40:40,256 --> 01:40:48,041
the floor. Thank you Councillor Bryce. Mayor Lawler. Point of

1226
01:40:48,041 --> 01:40:54,562
order, Mr. Chair. And, um, and it regards the aspersions

1227
01:40:54,602 --> 01:41:00,556
that Councillor Brass are suggesting. This matter, he's brought up

1228
01:41:00,556 --> 01:41:04,490
before. And it's been brought before the integrity commissioner. And

1229
01:41:04,511 --> 01:41:09,210
the integrity commissioner has written a ruling that was discussed

1230
01:41:09,471 --> 01:41:16,175
and circulated amongst Council over a year ago. And Councillor

1231
01:41:16,276 --> 01:41:22,099
Brass is now raising this again. Inappropriately. And so I

1232
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:28,404
would like him to rescind those comments. Um, given that

1233
01:41:28,444 --> 01:41:32,164
he has seen the integrity commissioner's report. And he has

1234
01:41:32,345 --> 01:41:38,253
seen that the statement made by that integrity commissioner. Talked

1235
01:41:38,253 --> 01:41:44,370
about interests in common. And that, um, that anyone who

1236
01:41:44,711 --> 01:41:49,330
has a property in that neighbourhood or anyone who, a

1237
01:41:49,330 --> 01:41:54,510
member of Council, who has properties in any neighbourhood, um,

1238
01:41:55,031 --> 01:42:00,130
are considered to have interests in common. And therefore the

1239
01:42:00,391 --> 01:42:05,610
conflict of interest does not apply. And so I regret

1240
01:42:06,671 --> 01:42:09,530
this comment that is made by him. And I would

1241
01:42:09,570 --> 01:42:11,610
ask him to rescind it in light of the fact

1242
01:42:12,031 --> 01:42:16,250
this matter has been clarified clearly by the integrity commissioner.

1243
01:42:17,768 --> 01:42:21,216
Who is in a position to make a ruling. Thank

1244
01:42:21,216 --> 01:42:26,194
you. Thank you, Madam Laurel. At this point, since the

1245
01:42:26,194 --> 01:42:28,374
referrals on the table, he doesn't have to rescind those

1246
01:42:28,395 --> 01:42:32,608
comments. Um, so we'll just deal with the referral first.

1247
01:42:34,323 --> 01:42:37,422
And then we'll vote on that. But, um, I've been

1248
01:42:37,422 --> 01:42:39,822
informed that he does not have to rescind those comments.

1249
01:42:41,823 --> 01:42:47,002
I would challenge that Mr. Chair because the basis of

1250
01:42:48,143 --> 01:42:51,802
the suggestion is that this has not been handled in

1251
01:42:51,823 --> 01:42:57,245
a transparent way. And it absolutely has, as the integrity

1252
01:42:57,266 --> 01:43:01,565
commissioner and as our planning department has proceeded, um, through

1253
01:43:01,826 --> 01:43:07,405
all of the steps that are normally conducted by our

1254
01:43:07,666 --> 01:43:13,769
planning processes, they've all been followed. And, um, therefore his

1255
01:43:13,809 --> 01:43:17,289
suggestion that a deferral should happen because it has not

1256
01:43:17,310 --> 01:43:23,541
been followed. Is quite wrong. We have a, uh, a

1257
01:43:23,541 --> 01:43:30,736
question from Councillor. It was not on this matter. It

1258
01:43:30,736 --> 01:43:35,496
was just about, um, to our planning commissioner about the

1259
01:43:35,757 --> 01:43:39,416
deferral if there's any issue. They can see from the

1260
01:43:39,437 --> 01:43:44,616
planning staff of deferring the OPA as played out by,

1261
01:43:44,616 --> 01:43:47,576
um, Councillor Brass because he did also say to make

1262
01:43:47,576 --> 01:43:50,296
sure that we're, as we did of somebody coming forward

1263
01:43:50,397 --> 01:43:53,896
tonight of making sure, I think he said of going

1264
01:43:54,797 --> 01:43:57,216
slow and right as opposed to fast and wrong. So

1265
01:43:57,216 --> 01:43:59,336
I'm just wondering if our planning commissioner can comment on

1266
01:43:59,997 --> 01:44:06,819
any implications on if this is deferred. Ms. Parker.

1267
01:44:09,877 --> 01:44:15,003
Through the chair to Councillor Somerville, um, great question. I

1268
01:44:15,043 --> 01:44:18,043
think one thing to keep in mind is that OPA

1269
01:44:18,064 --> 01:44:21,403
63 is the one that has to go to the

1270
01:44:21,584 --> 01:44:25,003
province for consideration because the minister is the approval authority

1271
01:44:25,003 --> 01:44:28,523
of that official plan amendment dealing specifically with the protected

1272
01:44:28,563 --> 01:44:35,285
major transition area. Deferring that would obviously then pause. Staff

1273
01:44:35,325 --> 01:44:38,325
from being able to continue those conversations with the province

1274
01:44:38,746 --> 01:44:42,005
until after the new Council is in place, um, based

1275
01:44:42,005 --> 01:44:45,485
on the deferral motion on the floor. When it comes

1276
01:44:45,485 --> 01:44:49,765
to OPA 64, dealing with the secondary plenaria Council is

1277
01:44:49,946 --> 01:44:54,245
the decision maker for that official plan amendment. So effectively

1278
01:44:55,306 --> 01:44:58,725
what the deferral would do with respect to that amendment

1279
01:44:58,746 --> 01:45:02,405
is obviously pause the process. Um, which I believe is

1280
01:45:02,445 --> 01:45:06,885
what, uh, Councillor Brass's intention is, um, given his comments

1281
01:45:06,906 --> 01:45:10,325
around wanting to have those discussions with, uh, the new

1282
01:45:10,365 --> 01:45:15,605
Council. Effectively what the deferral would do, obviously is pause

1283
01:45:15,626 --> 01:45:20,565
both of those processes from proceeding. Um, you know, we've

1284
01:45:20,565 --> 01:45:22,565
heard some comments around the table already about the length

1285
01:45:22,605 --> 01:45:26,245
of the process. There's multiple staff reports that are linked

1286
01:45:26,266 --> 01:45:28,965
in the staff report today. Um, you can take a

1287
01:45:28,965 --> 01:45:31,285
look at any one of those reports and it provides

1288
01:45:32,026 --> 01:45:34,645
the sort of history of the process and of the

1289
01:45:34,666 --> 01:45:40,085
file itself. Um, the file did start in 2022 with

1290
01:45:40,085 --> 01:45:41,605
all due respect to the delegate. I do know that

1291
01:45:41,645 --> 01:45:44,805
the owner did have conversations with staff back in 2024

1292
01:45:45,466 --> 01:45:50,085
about the process. Um, so, you know, I, I would

1293
01:45:50,085 --> 01:45:53,125
challenge the argument or the comment that the owner was

1294
01:45:53,146 --> 01:45:55,685
unaware that the process was happening because staff do have

1295
01:45:55,706 --> 01:45:58,725
a record of that conversation having taken place. Um, that

1296
01:45:58,826 --> 01:46:02,325
being said, ultimately, as always, staff are in Council's hands.

1297
01:46:02,325 --> 01:46:04,725
So whatever decision Council chooses to make, we will work

1298
01:46:04,765 --> 01:46:09,445
within those boundaries. But obviously the deferral would again put

1299
01:46:09,485 --> 01:46:12,617
another pause to this very lengthy process. And we wouldn't

1300
01:46:12,617 --> 01:46:14,937
be able to move forward with anything until the new

1301
01:46:14,977 --> 01:46:17,017
Council based again on the deferral. That's on the floor.

1302
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:23,387
Hopefully that clarifies. Oh yeah. That makes that mud really

1303
01:46:23,427 --> 01:46:26,827
clear. Um, no, it's still, it's just trying to make

1304
01:46:26,827 --> 01:46:31,227
sure that if we did defer it, um, we're still

1305
01:46:31,248 --> 01:46:34,507
in a good position with the, with the province being

1306
01:46:34,608 --> 01:46:36,507
the approval agency on the one in the town on

1307
01:46:36,507 --> 01:46:39,323
the other. That's why I was asking my question, but,

1308
01:46:39,323 --> 01:46:43,225
uh, thank you for your answer. Thank you. We have

1309
01:46:43,225 --> 01:46:53,083
Council Folgo now. Okay. Well, um, I would really like

1310
01:46:53,424 --> 01:47:00,043
Councillor Brass to explain this idea of transparency and it

1311
01:47:00,384 --> 01:47:04,299
not being transparent. Like what. As far as I could

1312
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:08,299
see we did everything the same on this process as

1313
01:47:08,299 --> 01:47:14,459
every other planning application or planning project. Uh, there were

1314
01:47:14,499 --> 01:47:20,263
open houses and reports and citizen committees. And, you know,

1315
01:47:20,263 --> 01:47:26,918
we did everything exactly the same. So what, what, what

1316
01:47:26,939 --> 01:47:31,238
got missed and what is envisioned to be added if

1317
01:47:31,238 --> 01:47:36,278
the deferral? Is there like another public meeting or what,

1318
01:47:36,299 --> 01:47:39,958
what exactly, I mean, I was part of this process

1319
01:47:40,459 --> 01:47:43,638
and I was really proud of this process. And the

1320
01:47:43,678 --> 01:47:47,958
impact that the citizen committee had on it, um, and

1321
01:47:48,139 --> 01:47:53,478
they really got into it and they, they spent a

1322
01:47:53,478 --> 01:47:56,998
lot of time on it. And now to say, Oh,

1323
01:47:56,998 --> 01:48:00,545
well, we don't think you did a good job. Or,

1324
01:48:00,545 --> 01:48:03,985
you know, the public wasn't aware or like, I just

1325
01:48:04,006 --> 01:48:10,580
don't understand what we missed. And what steps are envisioned

1326
01:48:11,001 --> 01:48:14,740
to take it forward that would make it more to

1327
01:48:14,780 --> 01:48:18,900
make it over the bar of transparency, whatever that bar

1328
01:48:18,940 --> 01:48:22,940
might be that I don't understand. So I'd love some

1329
01:48:22,961 --> 01:48:30,044
clarity on that. Thank you Councillor Fogle. Council Bryson, comment.

1330
01:48:31,217 --> 01:48:34,476
Thank you, Chair, through you. Yes, I do. Um, Councillor

1331
01:48:34,516 --> 01:48:36,796
Fogle at the beginning of this process, there was, there

1332
01:48:36,817 --> 01:48:39,676
was not a citizen, the citizen group involved, but there

1333
01:48:39,716 --> 01:48:44,156
wasn't an official steering committee. That was eventually done after

1334
01:48:44,257 --> 01:48:49,940
a ruckus meeting with some citizens. And it is my

1335
01:48:50,041 --> 01:48:56,017
personal opinion. That the mayor who lives in the area,

1336
01:48:56,017 --> 01:49:00,657
regardless of what was received, should not A, not be

1337
01:49:00,657 --> 01:49:04,046
on that committee. Should not have any impact on who's

1338
01:49:04,046 --> 01:49:07,006
on that committee should not be in the meetings to

1339
01:49:07,006 --> 01:49:09,977
be able to manipulate a situation. And living in the

1340
01:49:09,977 --> 01:49:13,657
area should have declared a conflict in good taste, regardless

1341
01:49:13,678 --> 01:49:19,121
of what was provided. And, uh, given that Councillor Engels

1342
01:49:20,182 --> 01:49:22,481
over and over and over again, declared a conflict of

1343
01:49:22,502 --> 01:49:24,881
interest because he owns a rental property in that area.

1344
01:49:25,744 --> 01:49:30,203
For me, he provides incredible contrast to are the mayor

1345
01:49:30,384 --> 01:49:32,763
who lives in the area and is on these committees

1346
01:49:33,344 --> 01:49:38,570
or on this steering committee. So for those reasons, I

1347
01:49:38,591 --> 01:49:44,560
don't. Think it was handled as transparent as possible. For

1348
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,340
me, the mayor being off of the steering committee and

1349
01:49:48,441 --> 01:49:52,649
declaring a conflict during these discussions would have. Been more

1350
01:49:52,689 --> 01:50:00,770
credible. And would have been much more transparent. Okay. Well,

1351
01:50:01,191 --> 01:50:02,850
from my point of view, I was in all of

1352
01:50:02,850 --> 01:50:06,530
the meetings. I didn't see, uh, any of the things

1353
01:50:06,631 --> 01:50:11,718
going on that have been described by Councillor Brass. I

1354
01:50:11,758 --> 01:50:16,198
believe the, uh, the citizens were saying their own things,

1355
01:50:16,198 --> 01:50:18,838
the planners were too. I didn't, I didn't see a

1356
01:50:18,838 --> 01:50:21,318
problem with it. So, uh, I will, I will not

1357
01:50:21,358 --> 01:50:23,478
be supporting the, uh, deferral.

1358
01:50:32,489 --> 01:50:34,788
Just give us a few seconds till we figure out,

1359
01:50:34,788 --> 01:50:36,868
uh, what, uh, what we need to do here. Okay.

1360
01:52:11,196 --> 01:52:13,975
We're just going to take, uh, short recess for about

1361
01:52:13,996 --> 01:52:17,175
five minutes, uh, until we sort things out. Okay. We'll

1362
01:52:17,215 --> 01:52:18,215
get back in five minutes.

1363
02:09:30,053 --> 02:09:37,696
Okay. So after lengthy discussion with the clerk staff. So

1364
02:09:37,917 --> 02:09:40,216
after speaking with the cleric, it was noted that the

1365
02:09:40,477 --> 02:09:44,536
mayor meant to raise a point of personal privilege, not

1366
02:09:44,576 --> 02:09:47,748
a point of order. I let the clerk explain the

1367
02:09:47,769 --> 02:09:54,051
difference between the two. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and through

1368
02:09:54,091 --> 02:09:57,971
you. So the difference between the two, and I had

1369
02:09:58,011 --> 02:09:59,971
discussed this with Madam Mayor. So a point of order

1370
02:10:00,552 --> 02:10:02,691
means a matter that a member considers to be a

1371
02:10:02,712 --> 02:10:05,251
departure from the contravention of the rules. So something that

1372
02:10:05,291 --> 02:10:08,856
we're not following in the procedural bylaw. A point of

1373
02:10:08,877 --> 02:10:11,816
personal privilege is a statement calling attention to a matter

1374
02:10:11,856 --> 02:10:16,776
where the integrity character or reputation of an individuals or

1375
02:10:16,776 --> 02:10:20,536
the Council is perceived to be in question. So the

1376
02:10:20,576 --> 02:10:26,056
mayor was speaking to a point of personal privilege and

1377
02:10:27,757 --> 02:10:31,896
the point that she was speaking to was the comments

1378
02:10:31,896 --> 02:10:38,136
regarding not declaring a conflict or peculiary interest. So Council

1379
02:10:38,176 --> 02:10:44,216
members, it is their choice whether or not they declare

1380
02:10:44,637 --> 02:10:47,576
a conflict of interest on the floor and should a

1381
02:10:47,576 --> 02:10:50,296
member of Council not agree or a member of the

1382
02:10:50,336 --> 02:10:52,936
public or staff agree that a Council member should have

1383
02:10:53,117 --> 02:10:57,096
declared the can take that opinion to the integrity commissioner

1384
02:10:57,117 --> 02:11:00,936
to open a formal investigation. The integrity commissioner is the

1385
02:11:00,957 --> 02:11:07,496
third party body who does look into code related violations.

1386
02:11:07,496 --> 02:11:09,336
So the integrity commissioner would be the one to rule

1387
02:11:09,357 --> 02:11:13,016
on a decision and the mayor had stated that the

1388
02:11:13,037 --> 02:11:16,616
integrity commissioner had already ruled on this matter and provided

1389
02:11:16,717 --> 02:11:20,576
a statement to the members of Council declaring that. So

1390
02:11:20,576 --> 02:11:23,176
that is why the mayor has put the point of

1391
02:11:23,176 --> 02:11:29,769
personal privilege on the floor. Thank you, Madam Clerk. So

1392
02:11:29,950 --> 02:11:33,129
based on the definition provided by the cleric, I'm satisfied

1393
02:11:33,310 --> 02:11:37,209
the point of personal privilege raised by the mayor is

1394
02:11:37,209 --> 02:11:41,049
in order. So please keep your personal comments out of

1395
02:11:41,089 --> 02:11:44,729
this discussion. And there is a deferral on the floor

1396
02:11:45,790 --> 02:11:47,609
so we can deal with a differ all at this

1397
02:11:47,609 --> 02:11:56,466
moment. Yes, madam Mayor. Just another point. I would like

1398
02:11:56,506 --> 02:12:04,306
to address the suggestions from the Councillor by reading again

1399
02:12:06,007 --> 02:12:10,382
the comments from the integrity commissioner. That all members of

1400
02:12:10,483 --> 02:12:19,284
Council received in 2024. Before this planning process was fully

1401
02:12:19,324 --> 02:12:24,724
underway. So could you advise me, Mr. Chair, when I

1402
02:12:24,724 --> 02:12:28,564
can respond to the comments that were made by Councillor

1403
02:12:28,665 --> 02:12:28,884
Bras.

1404
02:12:59,529 --> 02:13:01,588
So, Madame Mayor, I think at this time it's not

1405
02:13:01,609 --> 02:13:05,428
the appropriate time to make those decisions since we have

1406
02:13:05,449 --> 02:13:08,708
debated this and brought that up or the integrity commissioner.

1407
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:11,739
Perhaps I could be dressing another time, but not at

1408
02:13:11,739 --> 02:13:17,059
this time. Okay, I will make a public statement about

1409
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:21,558
it then. Thank you. Okay, thank you. So we have

1410
02:13:21,598 --> 02:13:25,718
a deferral on the table. Council Brass, could you please

1411
02:13:27,099 --> 02:13:29,958
remind us what the referral was all about? I sort

1412
02:13:29,958 --> 02:13:34,970
of lost track of that. Yes, thank you, Chair, through

1413
02:13:34,991 --> 02:13:42,890
you. The deferral is to defer OPA 63 in OPA

1414
02:13:43,071 --> 02:13:46,660
64. To the next term of Council for their review.

1415
02:13:48,671 --> 02:13:56,850
Period. Thank you. Point of order, Mr. Chair. Council Keane.

1416
02:13:57,593 --> 02:13:59,652
And I believe it's a point of order, Madam Clerk.

1417
02:14:00,509 --> 02:14:02,488
I've heard the words that this happened in the pastor

1418
02:14:02,509 --> 02:14:05,768
for the words both deferral and referral expressed just a

1419
02:14:05,808 --> 02:14:08,248
clarification on the matter. We're voting on a referral or

1420
02:14:08,429 --> 02:14:12,993
deferral. Is it a deferral. It is a de -

1421
02:14:12,993 --> 02:14:16,961
fur. So we have a deferral on the table that

1422
02:14:17,382 --> 02:14:21,441
we defer a 6364 for the next term of Council.

1423
02:14:24,290 --> 02:14:29,022
Council Council. Thank you. And through you, Mr. Chair, I'm

1424
02:14:29,022 --> 02:14:33,249
just curious, are we deferring this exact report. To the

1425
02:14:33,249 --> 02:14:36,049
next term of Council? Or are we looking, is the

1426
02:14:36,049 --> 02:14:39,569
suggestion that the process be redone by the next term

1427
02:14:39,609 --> 02:14:44,049
of Council? Because I'm not clear on that. Council Brass.

1428
02:14:44,785 --> 02:14:47,164
You want to clarify that, please? Thank you, Chair, through

1429
02:14:47,164 --> 02:14:49,564
you to the Councillor. Yes, to the intent is to

1430
02:14:49,604 --> 02:14:52,137
defer this report. To the next term of Council for

1431
02:14:52,158 --> 02:15:00,597
the review. And sorry, just a follow - up to

1432
02:15:00,597 --> 02:15:09,667
that. I guess I'm not sure why. Like. What would

1433
02:15:09,707 --> 02:15:14,547
the next, if the concern was around the process that

1434
02:15:14,648 --> 02:15:18,547
led to this report, what is the difference if this

1435
02:15:18,547 --> 02:15:22,522
Council makes the decision on it versus another Council. If

1436
02:15:22,522 --> 02:15:25,322
the concern is how we got to this process. So

1437
02:15:25,322 --> 02:15:30,933
I'm just looking for clarity. Council Brass. Thank you, Chair.

1438
02:15:30,933 --> 02:15:34,933
Through you, given what we heard from Mr. Russell today

1439
02:15:35,674 --> 02:15:39,573
and some other comments I've received from community members and

1440
02:15:39,613 --> 02:15:44,533
landowners in that area, the deferral is intended to land

1441
02:15:44,573 --> 02:15:47,413
on the next term of Council for their review to

1442
02:15:47,453 --> 02:15:55,162
see if we got this right or not. Sorry, one

1443
02:15:55,183 --> 02:15:57,322
more follow - up. So it would be to look

1444
02:15:57,362 --> 02:16:04,122
at changing the recommendations to include some of the requests

1445
02:16:04,122 --> 02:16:06,042
that are coming in from other. So it would be

1446
02:16:06,143 --> 02:16:12,415
looking at redoing this. Then. Or you're saying, if Council

1447
02:16:12,516 --> 02:16:15,935
thinks this was fine, then we would just be voting

1448
02:16:15,956 --> 02:16:20,575
on this. I just, I'm worried about this process has

1449
02:16:20,596 --> 02:16:25,115
been ongoing since before this term account. And so, um,

1450
02:16:25,115 --> 02:16:29,048
I'm just hoping to get clarity around what. The outcome.

1451
02:16:30,428 --> 02:16:34,167
Would be by deferring this. Like what would the benefit

1452
02:16:34,207 --> 02:16:39,027
be. Council Breath, go ahead. Thank you, Chair, for you

1453
02:16:39,448 --> 02:16:43,381
Councillor Garneau more like a silver second thought. To get

1454
02:16:43,722 --> 02:16:47,701
Council to review this report and also give staff time

1455
02:16:47,741 --> 02:16:50,661
to have another look at it to see if anything

1456
02:16:50,682 --> 02:16:53,621
was missed or if any other lands should be considered.

1457
02:16:54,996 --> 02:17:01,573
So potentially nothing changes, potentially something does. Go ahead. Thank

1458
02:17:01,573 --> 02:17:07,682
you. So then I have a question to staff. Around.

1459
02:17:11,773 --> 02:17:17,469
Any potential implications. That staff see regarding differing the report.

1460
02:17:21,226 --> 02:17:24,885
Particularly I know that what this report would do is

1461
02:17:24,925 --> 02:17:29,405
it would update policies in that area. Um, and so

1462
02:17:29,426 --> 02:17:31,965
I know that we've had some applications come in that

1463
02:17:32,146 --> 02:17:37,805
were under the previous secondary plan. And so if applications

1464
02:17:37,845 --> 02:17:41,565
come in between now and when the next Council reviews

1465
02:17:41,565 --> 02:17:45,645
it, they would be still continuing to follow the policies

1466
02:17:45,685 --> 02:17:49,245
from the previous secondary plan. And any concerns around that.

1467
02:17:56,047 --> 02:17:58,666
Certainly through the chair to the Councillor. Um, you're absolutely

1468
02:17:58,706 --> 02:18:01,386
correct. If an application came in for any type of

1469
02:18:01,487 --> 02:18:06,666
development or redevelopment within the secondary plan boundary, um, that

1470
02:18:06,847 --> 02:18:10,346
application would be viewed based on the merits of the

1471
02:18:10,687 --> 02:18:19,029
existing secondary plan. Effectively through

1472
02:18:20,330 --> 02:18:24,609
deferring, um, should Council decide to defer the applic, the

1473
02:18:24,609 --> 02:18:31,256
staff report this evening. Any applicant that comes in during

1474
02:18:31,277 --> 02:18:35,416
that process or during that time period within which we

1475
02:18:35,456 --> 02:18:40,136
would be, um, looking at whatever it is that the

1476
02:18:40,157 --> 02:18:43,476
new Council would be asking staff to look at, um,

1477
02:18:44,797 --> 02:18:49,576
those owners would be able to speak to staff about

1478
02:18:51,277 --> 02:18:57,496
consideration, um, of their lands through that deferred time frame

1479
02:18:57,536 --> 02:19:00,856
through that review process, which I believe is what Councillor

1480
02:19:00,877 --> 02:19:03,656
Brass was referring to when he was responding to you

1481
02:19:03,696 --> 02:19:10,604
earlier questions. Um, hopefully that is what you're asking. Yeah.

1482
02:19:10,604 --> 02:19:13,964
And I'm just wondering, because those policies were updated to

1483
02:19:13,985 --> 02:19:19,564
be more, um, modern, more reflective of, of where we're

1484
02:19:19,564 --> 02:19:21,484
at right now and the vision that we have for

1485
02:19:21,524 --> 02:19:26,913
that area. Are there risks to, like, what would be

1486
02:19:26,913 --> 02:19:29,633
the risk to the community that has had input into

1487
02:19:29,673 --> 02:19:33,873
this if applications do come in under the old policies.

1488
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:38,495
Like, what would we, what would be the loss. By

1489
02:19:38,535 --> 02:19:41,935
having the new applications being treated in the old way

1490
02:19:42,036 --> 02:19:47,690
versus the new way. Through the chair to the Councillor,

1491
02:19:47,791 --> 02:19:51,974
great question. It's a tricky one to answer. Um, to

1492
02:19:51,974 --> 02:19:56,774
be honest with you because, uh, even if the secondary

1493
02:19:56,955 --> 02:20:00,854
plan was approved as per the staff report this evening.

1494
02:20:00,854 --> 02:20:03,174
And let's say there were no appeals received on OPA

1495
02:20:03,275 --> 02:20:06,134
64 and that secondary plan was in place that does

1496
02:20:06,134 --> 02:20:09,174
not stop any owner of land from coming forward and

1497
02:20:09,275 --> 02:20:13,414
requesting site specific amendment regardless of the fact that the

1498
02:20:13,595 --> 02:20:16,374
new policies would be in place. Um, I hear you

1499
02:20:16,635 --> 02:20:19,174
in terms of your comments about how the new secondary

1500
02:20:19,355 --> 02:20:22,294
plan would be updating those policies, bringing them more in

1501
02:20:22,334 --> 02:20:24,854
line with provincial direction, et cetera. That is, of course,

1502
02:20:24,854 --> 02:20:27,734
the intent behind this process. And I think you can

1503
02:20:27,774 --> 02:20:31,234
read that through the comments in the staff report. Um,

1504
02:20:31,234 --> 02:20:33,334
but that doesn't stop any owner of land from being

1505
02:20:33,334 --> 02:20:35,414
able to come in and make an application to change

1506
02:20:35,515 --> 02:20:40,006
the land at any point in time. Just one follow

1507
02:20:40,046 --> 02:20:43,430
- up question. Go ahead. Okay. So in that same

1508
02:20:43,611 --> 02:20:46,710
vein, if we did approve it today, would that stop

1509
02:20:47,051 --> 02:20:50,150
any landowners from coming forward with an application for medium

1510
02:20:50,171 --> 02:20:56,022
density. Within the area. Uh, through the chair, no, it

1511
02:20:56,022 --> 02:20:57,662
wouldn't. They could commit at any point in time and

1512
02:20:57,662 --> 02:21:02,459
apply. Okay. So whether it's deferred to look at including

1513
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:05,019
more land in the secondary plan or not, they can

1514
02:21:05,019 --> 02:21:07,499
still appeal or they can come in with an application.

1515
02:21:08,397 --> 02:21:13,171
Regardless. Through the chair to the Councillor, that's correct. Okay.

1516
02:21:13,171 --> 02:21:19,824
Thank you. Councillor Fogle, your hands up and then we

1517
02:21:19,824 --> 02:21:25,499
have Council of Somerville. Yeah. I'm thinking that if it's

1518
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:30,459
deferred that there must be some public process that would

1519
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:36,059
ensue that the point the Councillor can correct me that

1520
02:21:36,059 --> 02:21:39,739
the point being that the maybe public don't know about

1521
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:45,219
this, that we would have public meetings or something. So

1522
02:21:45,219 --> 02:21:49,318
I'm just wondering from a staff point of view. What

1523
02:21:49,358 --> 02:21:53,798
would you envision as the process going forward with a

1524
02:21:53,819 --> 02:21:59,318
deferral? Would there be nothing and then the report just

1525
02:21:59,358 --> 02:22:04,125
shows up. Or. In the meantime there are people that

1526
02:22:04,125 --> 02:22:07,005
apply to come in and you've got to make changes.

1527
02:22:07,005 --> 02:22:10,445
So you update. Then do we need a public meeting.

1528
02:22:11,684 --> 02:22:16,543
Like how would you see this unfolding to have value

1529
02:22:16,583 --> 02:22:24,156
to the public. Ms. Parker. Uh, through the chair to

1530
02:22:24,156 --> 02:22:28,935
Councillor Fogle, uh, that's a great question. Um. As you

1531
02:22:28,935 --> 02:22:31,575
can imagine, staff hadn't, uh, stop to think about what

1532
02:22:31,836 --> 02:22:34,535
a sort of revamp of the process would look like

1533
02:22:34,956 --> 02:22:42,351
given our staff report. Seeking Council approval today. That said,

1534
02:22:42,351 --> 02:22:44,191
I think at minimum what we would have to do

1535
02:22:44,452 --> 02:22:51,983
is meet with the, uh, Sajaki team. Uh, because they

1536
02:22:51,983 --> 02:22:55,023
have been retained to complete the work on this project.

1537
02:22:55,023 --> 02:22:57,263
So we would have to have a conversation with them.

1538
02:22:57,263 --> 02:23:01,903
I think candidly off the top of my head, what

1539
02:23:01,903 --> 02:23:04,863
we would have to do is take the existing work

1540
02:23:04,903 --> 02:23:07,663
that we've done because staff stand behind the work that

1541
02:23:07,703 --> 02:23:09,903
we've done. And we stand behind the policies that are

1542
02:23:09,943 --> 02:23:14,223
before council this evening. And look at those of sort

1543
02:23:14,223 --> 02:23:17,743
of the starting point for additional conversations with the public

1544
02:23:18,244 --> 02:23:21,423
and with the new Council, given it would be a

1545
02:23:21,423 --> 02:23:23,263
new council. I do think we would also need to

1546
02:23:23,263 --> 02:23:25,903
have some kind of a, you know, information session with

1547
02:23:25,943 --> 02:23:28,463
them to bring any new members of Council up to

1548
02:23:28,503 --> 02:23:33,263
speed on the process that has transpired since Project Initiation.

1549
02:23:33,263 --> 02:23:35,263
Um, it's more than just reading staff reports. It's being

1550
02:23:35,303 --> 02:23:38,623
able to, you know, have them ask questions and us

1551
02:23:38,663 --> 02:23:42,884
be able to respond as best we possibly can. But

1552
02:23:42,924 --> 02:23:46,790
again, that being said. We would have to spend some

1553
02:23:46,811 --> 02:23:48,630
time really taking a look at the work that's been

1554
02:23:48,670 --> 02:23:52,141
done and what the intention of Council is. In having

1555
02:23:52,181 --> 02:23:59,583
this project deferred. Okay. So yeah, I guess it's still

1556
02:23:59,583 --> 02:24:03,103
unclear as to why it's being deferred and what, what

1557
02:24:03,444 --> 02:24:09,103
the steps are that are envisioned to cover all the

1558
02:24:09,143 --> 02:24:13,183
bases, I guess. I don't know. And, um, so I

1559
02:24:13,183 --> 02:24:15,903
guess there'd be some costs involved then if we've got

1560
02:24:16,404 --> 02:24:21,983
the consultants back on side and staff time, that would

1561
02:24:21,983 --> 02:24:28,467
add something, I'm sure to. To our expenditures. Am I

1562
02:24:28,467 --> 02:24:35,228
right in thinking that. Through the chair to the Councillor,

1563
02:24:35,228 --> 02:24:38,588
that's a great question. Um, Sajear still retained to continue

1564
02:24:38,628 --> 02:24:41,788
the work with us right now. So, um, we could

1565
02:24:41,788 --> 02:24:44,588
have those conversations or at least initial conversations with them

1566
02:24:44,588 --> 02:24:46,908
right now. But I can't really speak to anything beyond

1567
02:24:47,889 --> 02:24:51,179
sort of the current state of things. Okay. Well, I

1568
02:24:51,179 --> 02:24:53,259
think it's safe to say some costs would be involved.

1569
02:24:54,515 --> 02:25:01,076
But okay, thank you. That's it. Okay, thank you. Councillor

1570
02:25:01,116 --> 02:25:05,652
Somerville. Yes, thank you Mr. Chair. You're doing a fine

1571
02:25:05,692 --> 02:25:09,316
job tonight staring this ship. Um, I guess the question

1572
02:25:09,316 --> 02:25:11,396
I would have is to the playing director. It's kind

1573
02:25:11,396 --> 02:25:13,876
of following up miss Parker on what I asked before

1574
02:25:14,537 --> 02:25:17,716
So we have the two pieces. There's OPA 63, which

1575
02:25:17,716 --> 02:25:22,776
is the The protected major trends at area. And then

1576
02:25:22,776 --> 02:25:27,176
we have OPA 64, which is the secondary plan now

1577
02:25:27,216 --> 02:25:31,176
in the question before you indicated OPA 63 is the

1578
02:25:31,216 --> 02:25:36,948
one that the province approved. And 64 is the one

1579
02:25:36,948 --> 02:25:40,644
that we do the work on. So what I'm wondering

1580
02:25:41,385 --> 02:25:44,404
about to keep us moving forward on this is if

1581
02:25:44,444 --> 02:25:49,684
we pass 63 but deferred the actual secondary plan that

1582
02:25:49,785 --> 02:25:53,514
gets down to some of the nitty gritty. Where we

1583
02:25:53,514 --> 02:25:55,994
could look at some of these other properties that might

1584
02:25:55,994 --> 02:25:59,594
have been left out around in the edges Uh, cause

1585
02:25:59,634 --> 02:26:02,170
there may be more. I'm just wondering if that's something

1586
02:26:02,191 --> 02:26:05,370
that we could do is you know past the one

1587
02:26:05,370 --> 02:26:07,850
so we can keep working with the province on that

1588
02:26:08,031 --> 02:26:12,045
one. We still have the framework in place, but then

1589
02:26:12,066 --> 02:26:15,325
the nitty gritty of the secondary plan being the one

1590
02:26:15,325 --> 02:26:23,292
that is deferred. Through the chair to the Councillor I

1591
02:26:23,292 --> 02:26:25,292
believe what you're asking me is if that is something

1592
02:26:25,332 --> 02:26:28,972
that could happen and I thank you I see you

1593
02:26:29,012 --> 02:26:33,172
nodding. As far as I understand yes unless Madame Clark

1594
02:26:33,193 --> 02:26:36,452
believes otherwise the way that this report has been structured

1595
02:26:36,473 --> 02:26:39,492
is that OPA - 63 is separate from OPA -

1596
02:26:39,492 --> 02:26:45,652
64 intentionally So should Council decide to adopt official plan

1597
02:26:45,692 --> 02:26:48,132
amendment 63 that would give staff the opportunity to put

1598
02:26:48,172 --> 02:26:51,172
the provincial package together send everything forward to the province

1599
02:26:51,212 --> 02:26:54,212
for their consideration on that Protected major transit station area

1600
02:26:54,713 --> 02:26:57,332
and then we could continue to work through the process

1601
02:26:57,513 --> 02:27:02,011
on OPA - 64. Okay, thank you for that and

1602
02:27:02,032 --> 02:27:05,771
um, the issues that were raised by Mr. Russell on

1603
02:27:05,792 --> 02:27:08,891
behalf of his client if it was under the OPA

1604
02:27:08,912 --> 02:27:12,651
- 64 those issues could be worked through if that

1605
02:27:12,651 --> 02:27:18,068
part was deferred. Correct. Through the chair to the Councillor

1606
02:27:18,068 --> 02:27:22,949
yes, that's correct. I will suggest that Councillor Brass that

1607
02:27:22,989 --> 02:27:26,455
maybe he split it that way. That we do pass

1608
02:27:26,876 --> 02:27:30,833
the 63 allow that part to go forward. Um, so

1609
02:27:30,833 --> 02:27:32,913
the province can keep working on it and for a

1610
02:27:33,014 --> 02:27:37,834
deferral is do it for OPA 64. And then we

1611
02:27:37,834 --> 02:27:41,434
can allow that extra Conversations around it and we're still

1612
02:27:41,474 --> 02:27:44,154
moving forward on as well So Councillor Bryce I would

1613
02:27:44,154 --> 02:27:47,114
I would suggest that as a not really an amendment

1614
02:27:47,154 --> 02:27:52,052
But just as a suggestion. Council Bryce comments on that.

1615
02:27:54,265 --> 02:27:57,504
Thank you chair through you Uh Councillor Somerville Thanks for

1616
02:27:57,545 --> 02:28:01,924
asking that question I Until then I thought 63 and

1617
02:28:01,924 --> 02:28:05,204
64 were Tied at the hip and that sounds like

1618
02:28:05,244 --> 02:28:12,207
they're not so Um, maybe to the commissioner. So they're

1619
02:28:12,207 --> 02:28:17,033
not. Is what councillor Somerville is suggesting does that work

1620
02:28:17,073 --> 02:28:21,833
for the town to put if we change my deferral

1621
02:28:21,854 --> 02:28:26,153
to OP - a64 only? Does that work with that

1622
02:28:26,894 --> 02:28:32,831
Pfine for the talents the question. Through the chair to

1623
02:28:32,831 --> 02:28:36,751
the Councillor That's an excellent question The two are inherently

1624
02:28:36,772 --> 02:28:42,031
linked naturally because OPA - 63 sits within OPA -

1625
02:28:42,031 --> 02:28:44,671
64 if you're looking at visually from the maps that

1626
02:28:44,852 --> 02:28:46,671
are attached to the staff report You can see where

1627
02:28:47,012 --> 02:28:51,871
the PMTSA fits within the OPA - 64 context That

1628
02:28:51,871 --> 02:28:56,801
said they are still two separate OPAs. So Council does

1629
02:28:56,841 --> 02:29:02,323
have the ability to adopt OPA - 64. And defer

1630
02:29:02,664 --> 02:29:08,543
the decision on OP - A64. That's interesting Chair -

1631
02:29:08,543 --> 02:29:11,423
Through I not considered that with that information I will

1632
02:29:11,444 --> 02:29:19,028
change my deferral to OPA - 64 only. Okay.

1633
02:29:24,835 --> 02:29:29,694
Well I see this exercise as or this conversation right

1634
02:29:29,694 --> 02:29:35,913
now I should say. A significant undermining of planning process

1635
02:29:36,174 --> 02:29:40,393
that has been underway for in the neighbourhood of three

1636
02:29:40,393 --> 02:29:45,410
years. That has involved significant public consultation that has been

1637
02:29:45,511 --> 02:29:51,010
led by a professional planning agency that has had the

1638
02:29:51,111 --> 02:29:56,210
buy - in of all members of Council Um... And...

1639
02:29:56,871 --> 02:30:03,730
Given the green light after it was explained The processes

1640
02:30:03,770 --> 02:30:08,370
that should be followed And I see this last minute

1641
02:30:09,111 --> 02:30:18,290
Um... Attempt to... Change the outcome perhaps. Um...

1642
02:30:19,191 --> 02:30:25,090
Particularly when I'm hearing that... In fact, the owner of

1643
02:30:25,090 --> 02:30:30,610
those properties has had discussions with staff Um... Regarding this

1644
02:30:30,791 --> 02:30:36,450
process and was fully aware... And... Perhaps even part of

1645
02:30:37,991 --> 02:30:43,170
the process that we all undertook And so if we

1646
02:30:43,591 --> 02:30:48,050
are to defer this process Which frankly I think has

1647
02:30:48,050 --> 02:30:51,650
been triggered by someone attempting to get cheap political points

1648
02:30:52,631 --> 02:31:00,475
Um... I am... I am... Seriously disappointed. This Council would

1649
02:31:00,896 --> 02:31:07,275
undermine its very own planning processes Madam Mayor We meet

1650
02:31:07,616 --> 02:31:10,475
reference about keeping the comments not to keep Not to

1651
02:31:10,496 --> 02:31:13,835
make personal comments So can we do that please? Yes

1652
02:31:15,216 --> 02:31:20,318
And so I am not supporting this deferral. Because I

1653
02:31:20,819 --> 02:31:24,706
see a huge investment. And buy - in on the

1654
02:31:24,727 --> 02:31:29,666
part of Council I think by deferring it Um... It

1655
02:31:30,247 --> 02:31:34,702
will undermine everything that this Council has been doing. Um...

1656
02:31:35,203 --> 02:31:40,462
If you can simply overturn a process at this stage

1657
02:31:40,883 --> 02:31:45,022
in the game I also note that staff has explained

1658
02:31:45,443 --> 02:31:48,462
that any property owner can come in at any time.

1659
02:31:50,157 --> 02:31:54,136
And suggest a change to a secondary plan Um... So

1660
02:31:54,136 --> 02:31:56,616
that their properties can be considered in a different way.

1661
02:31:57,424 --> 02:32:02,443
That avenue is clearly available to the proponent And I

1662
02:32:02,483 --> 02:32:06,923
think that... That they should follow that course of action

1663
02:32:07,024 --> 02:32:11,172
That is available to them. Um... MOOM Those are my

1664
02:32:11,212 --> 02:32:20,854
comments. Thank you. So we have Amendment To defer OPA

1665
02:32:20,875 --> 02:32:28,106
- 64. Um... Until next term. And just... OP -

1666
02:32:28,106 --> 02:32:33,155
A63 We'll be past or we'll be kept us. So

1667
02:32:33,496 --> 02:32:37,635
I'll put that motion on the floor Can we have

1668
02:32:37,675 --> 02:32:47,060
a recorded vote please. Yes you can. Council Guarno.

1669
02:32:49,438 --> 02:32:53,403
Thank you chair. I'm still I think I'm still very

1670
02:32:53,443 --> 02:32:58,923
confused around What the deferral is actually going to lead

1671
02:32:58,923 --> 02:33:02,681
to. So I heard Councillor Somerville talking about we can

1672
02:33:02,782 --> 02:33:04,841
defer it and then we can look at adding on

1673
02:33:04,881 --> 02:33:09,831
in other properties. But through this process. There was the

1674
02:33:10,092 --> 02:33:13,831
preliminary land use plan It was approved There was a

1675
02:33:13,831 --> 02:33:16,728
lot of public engagement. So if we start adding in

1676
02:33:16,909 --> 02:33:20,168
other properties into the secondary plan Do we not have

1677
02:33:20,168 --> 02:33:22,328
to go back out to the public and do full

1678
02:33:22,509 --> 02:33:25,843
public consultation. So this is what I'm trying to understand

1679
02:33:26,344 --> 02:33:29,443
Is it simply this report would be deferred to the

1680
02:33:29,483 --> 02:33:34,406
next Council to pass. Or is it redoing a land

1681
02:33:34,406 --> 02:33:36,726
use plan that has to go back through all the

1682
02:33:36,766 --> 02:33:42,996
stages of approval that we've already gone through. So to

1683
02:33:42,996 --> 02:33:48,466
me those are very different things. Through the chair to

1684
02:33:48,506 --> 02:33:52,380
the Councillor. I believe we would have to then ask

1685
02:33:52,881 --> 02:33:54,860
Councillor Brass whether or not he would like to add

1686
02:33:54,881 --> 02:33:58,940
additional clarification to his motion Right now based on my

1687
02:34:00,961 --> 02:34:04,700
scribbles here I believe it says to defer OPA 64

1688
02:34:05,281 --> 02:34:07,100
to the next term of Council for their review.

1689
02:34:16,067 --> 02:34:18,526
Are you able to Councillor? Are you able to clarify

1690
02:34:18,566 --> 02:34:23,876
that. Again? Like we're Councillor Somerville was talking about adding

1691
02:34:23,897 --> 02:34:27,076
in new properties Like that does have a public consultation

1692
02:34:27,257 --> 02:34:31,648
component to it. So is that what the intent is

1693
02:34:31,688 --> 02:34:34,625
to defer it to add in more properties. Or even

1694
02:34:34,625 --> 02:34:38,625
to explore that? Because that also has public consultation implications.

1695
02:34:40,012 --> 02:34:41,351
And I just want to make sure I know what

1696
02:34:41,532 --> 02:34:46,339
I'm voting on. Through you chair to the Councillor Thank

1697
02:34:46,339 --> 02:34:49,939
you Councillor Greno The intent is to make sure we

1698
02:34:49,939 --> 02:34:55,245
get this right. And when we're hearing from. Property owners

1699
02:34:55,266 --> 02:34:57,245
and residents that they don't think that that's the case.

1700
02:34:59,507 --> 02:35:02,046
Then the intent is to defer it and I'd be

1701
02:35:02,046 --> 02:35:05,726
happy to take guidance from staff as to How to

1702
02:35:05,766 --> 02:35:11,166
appropriately review OPA 64 and what's involved with that I'm

1703
02:35:11,166 --> 02:35:13,406
not a planner so I can't suggest that But the

1704
02:35:13,427 --> 02:35:15,893
intent is to make sure we get this right. And

1705
02:35:15,933 --> 02:35:21,279
to make sure that this area is. His wealth is

1706
02:35:21,540 --> 02:35:25,199
thought out and that people agree that everyone agrees with

1707
02:35:26,980 --> 02:35:30,799
the OP - A64 So whatever that process is with

1708
02:35:31,060 --> 02:35:33,199
staff I'd be happy to have a meeting with them

1709
02:35:33,380 --> 02:35:35,787
I'd be happy to entertain the process. But the intent

1710
02:35:35,787 --> 02:35:41,498
is to make sure we get this right. Thank you

1711
02:35:41,538 --> 02:35:44,618
Councillor Hall Bras CEO would like to make a comment.

1712
02:35:45,375 --> 02:35:48,554
Thank you and through the chair to Council So listening

1713
02:35:48,554 --> 02:35:52,474
to the conversation and in quick discussions with the clerk

1714
02:35:53,215 --> 02:35:56,394
Because it sounds like there's an expectation that there will

1715
02:35:56,434 --> 02:36:01,274
be conversations with the new Council before a report is

1716
02:36:01,314 --> 02:36:04,474
brought forward to understand and sort of then shape the

1717
02:36:04,495 --> 02:36:09,354
report potentially differently Um, our recommendation would be a sorry

1718
02:36:09,375 --> 02:36:12,314
Councillor another change to yours would be to rather than

1719
02:36:12,655 --> 02:36:16,874
just defer it We refer it back to staff and

1720
02:36:16,874 --> 02:36:20,501
then those conversations can be had. From a practical perspective

1721
02:36:21,082 --> 02:36:23,441
if we defer it what will happen and it can

1722
02:36:23,441 --> 02:36:27,061
be done this way as well It'll be relisted on

1723
02:36:27,402 --> 02:36:31,701
a Council Agenda in the new term as is And

1724
02:36:31,701 --> 02:36:34,901
then there would need to be discussion and direction to

1725
02:36:34,941 --> 02:36:38,981
staff as to whether Changes would be made So there's

1726
02:36:39,322 --> 02:36:41,621
two ways to do it in effect Um I think

1727
02:36:41,962 --> 02:36:44,421
in discussions with the clerk If we refer it back

1728
02:36:44,442 --> 02:36:47,861
to staff that would open the ability for staff to

1729
02:36:47,861 --> 02:36:51,941
have those conversations not directly through the report with the

1730
02:36:51,981 --> 02:36:56,261
new Uh, uh, with the new term account and Councillor

1731
02:36:56,362 --> 02:37:00,501
brass I believe that meets your intent based on listening

1732
02:37:00,522 --> 02:37:05,381
to the conversation today So that would be my suggestion

1733
02:37:05,402 --> 02:37:08,341
But again if you would prefer to defer it Um,

1734
02:37:08,762 --> 02:37:11,461
we can also then relist it in the new term

1735
02:37:12,362 --> 02:37:15,301
and then there would be further directions to staff in

1736
02:37:15,301 --> 02:37:19,806
the event that changes were. Changes to either the plan

1737
02:37:19,987 --> 02:37:25,766
or the process we're being looked at. Council brass. Thank

1738
02:37:25,806 --> 02:37:29,286
you chair through you to the CAO Yes you're correct

1739
02:37:29,627 --> 02:37:32,006
The intent is to make sure we get this right.

1740
02:37:32,887 --> 02:37:35,106
Uh... And if that means referring it back to staff.

1741
02:37:35,539 --> 02:37:38,841
I'd be happy to do that. Through the chair to

1742
02:37:38,881 --> 02:37:42,041
the Councillor Um... That would be my recommendation after listening

1743
02:37:42,062 --> 02:37:44,761
to all the comments and consultation with the clerk Thank

1744
02:37:44,761 --> 02:37:48,306
you. And chair through you once again I will amend.

1745
02:37:49,283 --> 02:37:52,222
So it would be to refer OPA - 64 back

1746
02:37:52,222 --> 02:37:54,879
to staff. To make sure we get it right. Okay

1747
02:37:55,220 --> 02:37:59,919
so noted So we have the refer on the floor.

1748
02:38:03,066 --> 02:38:07,206
Okay. The clerk's gonna put the recommendation on the screen

1749
02:38:07,227 --> 02:38:09,606
so we can all see We had lots of discussions

1750
02:38:10,427 --> 02:38:17,993
And we can all see what the recommendation is. So

1751
02:38:18,174 --> 02:38:20,153
Through the chair So you can... This is the recommendation

1752
02:38:20,254 --> 02:38:22,873
that's in the staff report Bronwyn, please correct me if

1753
02:38:22,913 --> 02:38:24,713
I get any of this wrong So based on the

1754
02:38:24,734 --> 02:38:31,013
discussion Council just has just had. That first paragraph will

1755
02:38:31,053 --> 02:38:34,453
remain the same Because it is bringing both 63 and

1756
02:38:34,634 --> 02:38:39,827
64 to Council for receipt. And further that Council receive

1757
02:38:40,088 --> 02:38:44,125
in support of official plan amendment 63. Of the town

1758
02:38:44,165 --> 02:38:46,837
of Halton Hale's official plan. The rest of that will

1759
02:38:46,877 --> 02:38:50,719
come out. And further that Council receives for information in

1760
02:38:50,719 --> 02:38:54,456
support of official plan amendment 63. The complete set of

1761
02:38:54,456 --> 02:38:57,496
background studies I'm not sure if that's relevant Brown -

1762
02:38:57,496 --> 02:39:01,096
winsted in section 2. 4 of this report and available

1763
02:39:01,357 --> 02:39:05,045
on Let's Talk Halton Hills. And further that the town

1764
02:39:05,045 --> 02:39:08,165
of Halton Hale's official plan amendment number 63 Dated June

1765
02:39:08,266 --> 02:39:11,045
23rd attached as appendix 1 to this report be adopted.

1766
02:39:12,682 --> 02:39:16,933
The next one comes out. And further at all interested

1767
02:39:16,954 --> 02:39:19,333
agencies listed in the report and those members of the

1768
02:39:19,434 --> 02:39:22,053
public who have requested notice Be advised of Council's decision

1769
02:39:22,234 --> 02:39:30,005
regarding these official plan amendments. And further that. Um... OP

1770
02:39:30,026 --> 02:39:33,685
The official plan amendment 64 be referred back to staff

1771
02:39:34,186 --> 02:39:37,992
in the new term of Council. And then the last

1772
02:39:38,032 --> 02:39:39,752
one and further that a copy of this report be

1773
02:39:39,752 --> 02:39:41,672
sent to the region Does that make sense to you.

1774
02:39:45,136 --> 02:39:47,435
Through the chair to the clerk? Yes it does The

1775
02:39:47,435 --> 02:39:51,515
only question I would have goes back to Councillor Garno's

1776
02:39:51,555 --> 02:39:55,275
question based on Councillor Somerville's comments about adding properties in.

1777
02:39:55,901 --> 02:40:01,411
If it's looking at adding properties in. Two OPA -

1778
02:40:01,451 --> 02:40:06,051
63 Which is the PMTSA That brings back Councillor Bras's

1779
02:40:06,051 --> 02:40:09,251
initial concern about the two processes being tied at the

1780
02:40:09,291 --> 02:40:14,030
hip. So I guess my question Through the chair if

1781
02:40:14,030 --> 02:40:18,220
I may Madam Clark would be to Councillor Somerville. Asking

1782
02:40:18,260 --> 02:40:22,540
clarification if he's looking at potentially adding properties to the

1783
02:40:22,540 --> 02:40:29,065
PMTSA. Or just looking at designating OPA 64 parcels.

1784
02:40:35,429 --> 02:40:39,008
It would be looking at the ones under opaque OPA

1785
02:40:39,269 --> 02:40:48,479
64. Not the PMTSA. Okay so

1786
02:40:49,700 --> 02:40:54,959
that's okay That's a recommendation there So the Zuri Ver

1787
02:40:54,999 --> 02:40:59,065
on the table Mushroom table. And it was believed that

1788
02:40:59,065 --> 02:41:07,799
it was to be a recorded vote. There lawyer. Yes

1789
02:41:08,300 --> 02:41:10,439
and well and I'll let people know that I will

1790
02:41:10,460 --> 02:41:14,359
not be supporting this referral or a deferral I see

1791
02:41:14,359 --> 02:41:20,599
this as an end run that is attempting to undermine

1792
02:41:22,780 --> 02:41:27,399
a very thorough process And I think it represents a

1793
02:41:27,420 --> 02:41:35,079
failure of our Council Um and planning processes that I

1794
02:41:35,119 --> 02:41:40,759
thought were very professionally undertaken If this is allowed to

1795
02:41:40,780 --> 02:41:46,599
be derailed at this stage in the decision process Um,

1796
02:41:47,500 --> 02:41:51,639
particularly when there are other avenues available to the proponent

1797
02:41:52,780 --> 02:41:57,079
Um, so I will not be supporting Um... The referral.

1798
02:41:59,383 --> 02:42:03,353
Thank you Madam Mayor Councillor Hilton. You got a question

1799
02:42:04,574 --> 02:42:08,393
No Mr. Chair I just have a comment Just obviously

1800
02:42:08,494 --> 02:42:13,833
a very charged conversation Uh... Unfortunately But I'm not going

1801
02:42:13,833 --> 02:42:16,713
to support the referral back Uh... Just because it has

1802
02:42:16,753 --> 02:42:19,353
been a long process Uh... There's been a lot of

1803
02:42:19,353 --> 02:42:22,153
people involved I know a lot of money And uh...

1804
02:42:23,614 --> 02:42:25,833
Mr. Russell It's been a pleasure meeting you during this

1805
02:42:25,873 --> 02:42:30,393
term as well And I'm notoriously late RSKing my friends

1806
02:42:30,574 --> 02:42:32,873
I've missed planes before I've missed everything So I know

1807
02:42:32,873 --> 02:42:36,633
it's not fun being late to the party But... To

1808
02:42:36,673 --> 02:42:39,513
stop it at this point Um... One of the things

1809
02:42:39,614 --> 02:42:42,153
I hear when people talk about this area And they've

1810
02:42:42,193 --> 02:42:47,353
got concerns is The high density That we're looking at...

1811
02:42:47,534 --> 02:42:53,353
And I just say That's not really... The transit station

1812
02:42:53,393 --> 02:42:55,833
So I don't know If I don't know what concerns

1813
02:42:56,094 --> 02:42:58,553
have been brought up But if that's one of them

1814
02:42:58,574 --> 02:43:01,833
That's something that we're having to manage Uh... More than

1815
02:43:02,174 --> 02:43:04,953
anything else So it just feels to me if we

1816
02:43:04,974 --> 02:43:07,273
put it to next Council We know the people retiring

1817
02:43:07,374 --> 02:43:09,913
There's gonna be changes And it's just like Uh... When

1818
02:43:09,913 --> 02:43:13,593
you watch a movie You get five minutes before the

1819
02:43:13,593 --> 02:43:15,353
end And then you have to go somewhere And then

1820
02:43:15,454 --> 02:43:17,673
you end up watching at six months later You have

1821
02:43:17,673 --> 02:43:20,073
no idea what happened So I don't want the next

1822
02:43:20,094 --> 02:43:22,133
Council to have no idea what happens at the end

1823
02:43:22,133 --> 02:43:24,393
of the secondary plan and have to go back again

1824
02:43:24,414 --> 02:43:28,787
So anyways Just those are my comments Thank you. Uh

1825
02:43:28,827 --> 02:43:33,597
Thank you very much Councillor Engels please. And thank you

1826
02:43:33,698 --> 02:43:36,457
Mr. Chair I I don't want the money of the

1827
02:43:36,457 --> 02:43:41,540
waters anymore A little confused here. My Councillor Brass is

1828
02:43:41,540 --> 02:43:45,880
right I did declare conflicts on this. Um... 64 on

1829
02:43:45,880 --> 02:43:51,910
the secondary plan. After the integrity Commissioner Unknowns what she

1830
02:43:51,910 --> 02:43:55,670
did I need to make sure that Uh was consistent

1831
02:43:55,691 --> 02:44:00,225
there. And uh, I will be abstaining from the recorded

1832
02:44:00,406 --> 02:44:09,514
vote. Because of the past declarations and some not declarations

1833
02:44:09,554 --> 02:44:12,634
Here I'm a little confused here Because they're both tied

1834
02:44:12,655 --> 02:44:18,154
together The secondary plan And they protected Transit area as

1835
02:44:18,154 --> 02:44:22,714
well So those two are I thought they were separate.

1836
02:44:24,001 --> 02:44:29,190
As far as discussion. Um... They are not. By the

1837
02:44:29,190 --> 02:44:35,627
sounds of it. And. So I will abstain from this

1838
02:44:35,728 --> 02:44:40,187
particular vote here now And uh... And, uh, sort of

1839
02:44:40,208 --> 02:44:43,711
Look into it in the future. Thank you. Thank you

1840
02:44:43,892 --> 02:44:49,231
Council Ingols Um... Because we are in the general committee

1841
02:44:49,412 --> 02:44:53,231
Um... At this moment Uh... We're not going to have

1842
02:44:53,492 --> 02:44:56,842
a recorded vote We will have a standing vote. Uh...

1843
02:44:56,943 --> 02:45:02,455
Instead Recorded vote is during the Council session. Okay.

1844
02:45:07,280 --> 02:45:13,893
Yes Council Bernard. Um Thank you Andree Mr. Chair I'm

1845
02:45:13,933 --> 02:45:16,533
having I'll be honest I'm having a hard time with

1846
02:45:16,634 --> 02:45:19,665
this decision. Um I do I was involved in the

1847
02:45:19,686 --> 02:45:21,665
process I was the chair of the committee I feel

1848
02:45:21,705 --> 02:45:24,984
like. It was a very thorough process There was a

1849
02:45:24,984 --> 02:45:28,424
lot of public engagement staff Did a great job The

1850
02:45:28,424 --> 02:45:33,304
residents were thoroughly engaged And I think the planning reports

1851
02:45:33,565 --> 02:45:36,824
that are before us are sound And I believe in

1852
02:45:36,864 --> 02:45:41,055
what's being brought forward. And at the same time I

1853
02:45:41,556 --> 02:45:45,943
feel like. What I'm hearing from staff is that there's

1854
02:45:45,943 --> 02:45:49,863
not a lot of harm caused by allowing Future Council

1855
02:45:49,863 --> 02:45:55,526
to have a look at it. And so I don't

1856
02:45:55,526 --> 02:45:59,046
think... I believe in what's presented here today And I

1857
02:45:59,046 --> 02:46:02,631
think it was done well. And I think there's not

1858
02:46:02,631 --> 02:46:05,691
a lot of harm in allowing another SOTA Council to

1859
02:46:05,731 --> 02:46:08,483
have a look at it. And so I will be

1860
02:46:08,504 --> 02:46:18,502
supporting the referral for that reason. Gone. So the

1861
02:46:18,502 --> 02:46:20,742
recommendation As the man is on the floor at the

1862
02:46:20,742 --> 02:46:25,671
moment. Um... All those in favor Stand. Please.

1863
02:46:34,453 --> 02:46:43,662
So that carries. Thank you.

1864
02:46:44,490 --> 02:46:47,589
So because we've dealt with referral We don't have to

1865
02:46:47,589 --> 02:46:56,225
deal with the report. It's passed as amended Uh It

1866
02:46:56,225 --> 02:47:01,265
is 526 We are going to be having a public

1867
02:47:01,446 --> 02:47:03,265
meeting soon So I think we'll take.

1868
02:47:12,066 --> 02:47:14,125
Alright We will be taking a 15 - minute break

1869
02:47:14,466 --> 02:47:19,005
And we will be back at 10 12 After 6.

1870
03:13:30,380 --> 03:13:33,879
Good evening, everyone. We're going to start a public meeting.

1871
03:13:34,613 --> 03:13:37,952
Eminently, but first I'd like a motion from a member

1872
03:13:37,952 --> 03:13:44,475
of Council Please. To resume back into Council Council Arabno.

1873
03:13:44,475 --> 03:13:49,025
All in favor. Thanks very much. Okay, so now we're

1874
03:13:49,025 --> 03:13:53,896
constituted as a Council meeting. And as such, we are

1875
03:13:53,997 --> 03:13:59,189
holding a public meeting. And there will be three meetings

1876
03:13:59,290 --> 03:14:03,992
tonight. So you feel sorry for us all. We have

1877
03:14:03,992 --> 03:14:06,392
to go back and finish our Council agenda that we

1878
03:14:07,293 --> 03:14:13,992
didn't complete this afternoon. So I will introduce some speaking

1879
03:14:14,013 --> 03:14:17,912
notes, and so we all know what is on the

1880
03:14:17,952 --> 03:14:24,713
agenda. So this is a public meeting. Regarding one Elgin

1881
03:14:24,753 --> 03:14:29,113
Street in Georgetown. And the town is holding a statutory

1882
03:14:29,214 --> 03:14:33,833
public meeting for a development application submitted by Blake Murray,

1883
03:14:33,833 --> 03:14:38,853
the owner. And the application is proposing a temporary use

1884
03:14:39,274 --> 03:14:46,707
zoning bylaw amendment. To extend the previous temporary microbrewery and

1885
03:14:46,707 --> 03:14:52,227
32 seasonal patio permissions. For an additional three years. To

1886
03:14:52,728 --> 03:14:58,466
2029 at one Elgin Street in Georgetown. And the purpose

1887
03:14:58,487 --> 03:15:01,426
of this public meeting is to inform the public of

1888
03:15:01,426 --> 03:15:04,946
the proposal and to provide members of the community with

1889
03:15:04,986 --> 03:15:09,746
the opportunity to ask questions and express their views regarding

1890
03:15:09,786 --> 03:15:15,019
the application. The Planning Act requires that at least one

1891
03:15:15,120 --> 03:15:19,470
public meeting beheld for any development proposal. And that members

1892
03:15:19,491 --> 03:15:22,510
of the public shall be given an opportunity to make

1893
03:15:22,771 --> 03:15:27,957
representations in respect to the proposal. The format of this

1894
03:15:28,298 --> 03:15:32,306
public meeting is as follows. The town will provide a

1895
03:15:32,327 --> 03:15:36,146
presentation that generally explains the purpose and details of the

1896
03:15:36,247 --> 03:15:42,227
application. The applicant will then present any further relevant information.

1897
03:15:43,623 --> 03:15:47,362
Afterwards, the public can express their views on the proposal

1898
03:15:48,263 --> 03:15:53,342
or as questions for clarification regarding the application. And as

1899
03:15:53,363 --> 03:15:56,782
the chair, I am informing you that any person or

1900
03:15:56,963 --> 03:16:01,102
public body that does not make oral submissions at a

1901
03:16:01,102 --> 03:16:04,782
public meeting or make written submissions to the town of

1902
03:16:04,822 --> 03:16:08,782
Halton Hills before the town makes a decision regarding the

1903
03:16:08,963 --> 03:16:13,838
proposed temporary use zoning bylaw amendment. May not be added

1904
03:16:13,939 --> 03:16:16,478
as a party to the hearing of an appeal before

1905
03:16:16,899 --> 03:16:21,278
the Ontario land tribunal unless. In the opinion of the

1906
03:16:21,539 --> 03:16:26,830
tribunal, there are reasonable grounds to do so. Please contact

1907
03:16:27,491 --> 03:16:32,096
Planning Staff for Furthermore Information on the Appeal Process. It

1908
03:16:32,136 --> 03:16:35,616
is important to note that Councillors are here to observe

1909
03:16:36,117 --> 03:16:39,591
and listen to your comments only. Council will not be

1910
03:16:39,692 --> 03:16:43,271
taking any action or make a decision on the proposal

1911
03:16:43,452 --> 03:16:47,452
tonight. And at the end of the public meetings, Stouff

1912
03:16:47,553 --> 03:16:51,212
will respond to questions or comments that have answers available

1913
03:16:51,553 --> 03:16:56,311
at this time. And all other responses or answers will

1914
03:16:56,332 --> 03:17:01,606
be provided by staff at a later date. The authority

1915
03:17:01,867 --> 03:17:06,406
who approve and passed temporary use zoning bylaw amendments has

1916
03:17:06,446 --> 03:17:11,046
been delegated to the commissioner of planning provided any concerns

1917
03:17:11,227 --> 03:17:15,686
raised by the public through the consultation process are resolved

1918
03:17:15,726 --> 03:17:21,297
to the satisfaction of the town. So with the towns

1919
03:17:21,318 --> 03:17:25,457
representative from the Planning Department, Ruth Cunard, please come forward

1920
03:17:25,478 --> 03:17:27,137
to explain the proposal.

1921
03:17:40,166 --> 03:17:45,784
Thank you, Madam Chair. Good evening, Madam Mayor Councillors, staff,

1922
03:17:45,784 --> 03:17:48,594
and members of the public. The purpose of tonight's statutory

1923
03:17:48,695 --> 03:17:51,074
public meeting is to provide a summary of the temporary

1924
03:17:51,335 --> 03:17:54,354
use zoning by - line member application submitted by Blake

1925
03:17:54,354 --> 03:17:57,314
Murray, the owner of the lands located at One Algin

1926
03:17:57,314 --> 03:18:03,952
Street in Georgetown. The subject property is located on the

1927
03:18:04,133 --> 03:18:06,672
east side of Elgin Street, adjacent to the Gho Station

1928
03:18:06,933 --> 03:18:09,712
parking lot, just north of King Street in the urban

1929
03:18:09,712 --> 03:18:14,369
area of Georgetown. The 0. 2 Hectar Property has frontage

1930
03:18:14,390 --> 03:18:18,609
of approximately 30. 35 metres on Elgin Street and contains

1931
03:18:18,630 --> 03:18:22,529
an existing vacant building, which was previously occupied by FurnaceRum

1932
03:18:22,550 --> 03:18:27,984
Brewery. Surrounding land uses to the subject parcel include. To

1933
03:18:27,984 --> 03:18:30,784
the north, CN Rail Tracks, and a proposed high -

1934
03:18:30,784 --> 03:18:34,737
density residential development for the North. To the east, our

1935
03:18:34,737 --> 03:18:40,036
single detached dwellings and Greenwood Cemetery further east. To the

1936
03:18:40,076 --> 03:18:44,270
south, our single detached dwellings. And approval for a multi

1937
03:18:44,310 --> 03:18:48,441
- unit medium density residential development abutting the site. And

1938
03:18:48,441 --> 03:18:51,241
to the West, our single detached dwellings and the Georgetown

1939
03:18:51,281 --> 03:19:00,368
Gho Station. On May 24, 2022, Council approved a temporary

1940
03:19:00,549 --> 03:19:03,168
youth zoning bylaw amendment to permit a microbrewery on the

1941
03:19:03,208 --> 03:19:07,317
subject property for a period of two years. The microbrery

1942
03:19:07,317 --> 03:19:10,277
permissions allowed for the temporary consumption of food and beverages

1943
03:19:10,378 --> 03:19:13,797
to occur within the existing building, which expanded on the

1944
03:19:13,978 --> 03:19:19,348
beer manufacturing and accessory retail uses already permitted. On May

1945
03:19:19,369 --> 03:19:23,348
29, 2023, Council approved an extension of the microbrewery temporary

1946
03:19:23,529 --> 03:19:26,948
use, which also included permission for a 32 - seat

1947
03:19:26,988 --> 03:19:31,828
seasonal patio from March until October. The temporary zoning by

1948
03:19:31,868 --> 03:19:34,388
- law amendment for the microbrewery and patio expired on

1949
03:19:34,428 --> 03:19:43,354
May 29, 2026. On June 15, 2026, the town deemed

1950
03:19:43,354 --> 03:19:45,834
complete a new temporary used zoning by - al -

1951
03:19:45,834 --> 03:19:50,154
I membran application seeking to extend the previous temporary microbrewery

1952
03:19:50,194 --> 03:19:53,194
use and seasonal patio for an additional three years to

1953
03:19:53,375 --> 03:19:58,151
expire in 2029. The intentist to allow a new brewery

1954
03:19:58,151 --> 03:20:00,951
to occupy the vacant building with the same permissions that

1955
03:20:01,132 --> 03:20:04,071
were available to the previous occupant, who I mentioned as

1956
03:20:04,071 --> 03:20:07,331
the furnace - brumbert was the furnace room brewery, and

1957
03:20:07,331 --> 03:20:10,873
they are no longer in business. The new brewery operator

1958
03:20:10,894 --> 03:20:14,473
intends to maintain the site in its current state with

1959
03:20:14,473 --> 03:20:17,033
the seasonal patio being located within the parking lot at

1960
03:20:17,054 --> 03:20:19,662
the front of the site. Or directly adjacent to the

1961
03:20:19,662 --> 03:20:23,309
building's entrance. So the slide before you illustrates how the

1962
03:20:23,330 --> 03:20:27,389
previous patio functioned with a Saturday option and the weekday

1963
03:20:27,410 --> 03:20:31,986
on Sunday option. Food would be available through a food

1964
03:20:32,026 --> 03:20:33,986
truck to be located at the rear of the property

1965
03:20:34,727 --> 03:20:39,359
or a small internal kitchen to be constructed inside. It

1966
03:20:39,359 --> 03:20:41,519
should be noted that as per By - Load 2022

1967
03:20:41,559 --> 03:20:46,159
- 0039, the authority to approve and past temporary use

1968
03:20:46,199 --> 03:20:48,959
zoning by - law amendments has been delegated by Council

1969
03:20:48,980 --> 03:20:52,959
to the commissioner of planning, provided any concerns raised by

1970
03:20:52,959 --> 03:20:56,399
the public and our staff during the application review and

1971
03:20:56,420 --> 03:21:00,239
consultation process are resolved to the satisfaction of the commissioner.

1972
03:21:04,994 --> 03:21:08,013
The subject property is located within the Georgetown Ghost Station

1973
03:21:08,034 --> 03:21:12,000
Secondary Plan Area and situated in the South Precinct. The

1974
03:21:12,181 --> 03:21:15,920
property is designated employment area which recognises and permits the

1975
03:21:16,021 --> 03:21:18,880
use of the lot and existing buildings and additions to

1976
03:21:18,880 --> 03:21:22,720
the buildings for industrial, office, and other non - residential

1977
03:21:22,741 --> 03:21:27,585
uses, including retail and service commercial uses. This designation does

1978
03:21:27,585 --> 03:21:29,985
not preclude the use of the property as a BRE

1979
03:21:29,985 --> 03:21:35,515
manufacturing facility with ancillary or associated uses. The official plan

1980
03:21:35,555 --> 03:21:38,155
states that bylaws may be passed permitting the temporary use

1981
03:21:38,176 --> 03:21:41,595
of lands, buildings or structures, which may not conform to

1982
03:21:41,635 --> 03:21:44,555
the policies of the official plan subject to the following

1983
03:21:44,656 --> 03:21:48,525
being satisfied. That the proposed use is of a temporary

1984
03:21:48,546 --> 03:21:51,565
nature and shall not entail any major construction or investment

1985
03:21:51,746 --> 03:21:55,322
on the part of the owner. The proposed use will

1986
03:21:55,322 --> 03:21:57,962
not prejudice the long - term intent or orderly development

1987
03:21:58,383 --> 03:22:03,442
contemplated by the provisions and land use designations contained in

1988
03:22:03,442 --> 03:22:07,576
the official plan. The proposed use is compatible with adjacent

1989
03:22:07,597 --> 03:22:13,095
land uses and the character of the surrounding neighbourhood. The

1990
03:22:13,276 --> 03:22:15,655
proposed use will not require the extension or expansion of

1991
03:22:15,756 --> 03:22:20,475
existing municipal services. The proposed use will not cause traffic

1992
03:22:20,576 --> 03:22:23,835
hazards or an unacceptable level of congestion on surrounding roads.

1993
03:22:25,405 --> 03:22:29,194
Parking facilities required by the proposal. By the proposed use

1994
03:22:29,215 --> 03:22:32,552
story will be provided. And the proposed use shall generally

1995
03:22:32,592 --> 03:22:35,192
be beneficial to the neighbourhood or the community as a

1996
03:22:35,192 --> 03:22:39,437
whole. The official plan states that a temporary use may

1997
03:22:39,477 --> 03:22:42,317
be authorized for a specific time period of up to

1998
03:22:42,357 --> 03:22:46,351
three years. Subsequent by - laws granting extensions of up

1999
03:22:46,351 --> 03:22:52,795
to three years may also be passed. The subject property

2000
03:22:52,816 --> 03:22:56,235
is zone employment one exception 110 under the town zoning

2001
03:22:56,256 --> 03:23:01,579
bylaw 201050 as amended. The EMP - 1 exception 110

2002
03:23:01,680 --> 03:23:05,819
zone permits employment and industrial - related uses, including beer

2003
03:23:05,819 --> 03:23:10,691
manufacturing. In 2018, the site also received minor variance approval

2004
03:23:10,712 --> 03:23:13,731
to permit an accessory retail use to a maximum of

2005
03:23:13,752 --> 03:23:17,091
15 percent of the gross floor area of the building,

2006
03:23:17,091 --> 03:23:19,011
which allows for tasting of the product to be provided

2007
03:23:19,112 --> 03:23:24,132
on - site. The previous temporary one zone provided a

2008
03:23:24,153 --> 03:23:27,412
temporary three - year permission for a microbrewery and 32

2009
03:23:27,593 --> 03:23:30,532
- seat seasonal patio, which allowed the formal consumption of

2010
03:23:30,553 --> 03:23:34,912
food and beverages to occur. The temporary one zone expired,

2011
03:23:34,912 --> 03:23:39,428
as I mentioned on May 29, 2026. The new temporary

2012
03:23:39,529 --> 03:23:42,068
youth Sony by - line member application seeks to reestablish

2013
03:23:42,409 --> 03:23:45,908
the temporary one zone to extend the micro - brewery

2014
03:23:45,908 --> 03:23:48,548
use and seasonal patio permissions for an additional three years

2015
03:23:49,289 --> 03:23:57,174
to expire in 2029. The temporary Eusonian Byla application with

2016
03:23:57,275 --> 03:24:01,094
circulated to external agencies and town departments and is still

2017
03:24:01,094 --> 03:24:07,542
under - reviewed by staff. Planning staff received written requests

2018
03:24:07,542 --> 03:24:09,542
from two members of the public for copies of the

2019
03:24:09,563 --> 03:24:15,087
submission material and additional information about the proposal. One member

2020
03:24:15,127 --> 03:24:17,647
of the public provided verbal comments in support of the

2021
03:24:17,748 --> 03:24:24,858
application. And this concludes my presentation. Thank you, Madam Chair.

2022
03:24:28,618 --> 03:24:34,237
Thank you, Ms. Kenard. And, um, I know colon, the

2023
03:24:34,237 --> 03:24:36,977
applicant, if there is any further information that they wish

2024
03:24:36,998 --> 03:24:37,457
to provide.

2025
03:24:47,096 --> 03:24:50,675
Evening Council and Staff, my name is Blake Murray. I'm

2026
03:24:50,776 --> 03:24:56,415
from FRB - 5. Andrew Bellum also from FRP5. And

2027
03:24:56,455 --> 03:24:58,655
we're just here to answer any questions. We agree with

2028
03:24:58,836 --> 03:25:04,408
the staff report. Well, if you're available to answer questions,

2029
03:25:04,408 --> 03:25:06,968
that's great. Then I, um, if you want to take

2030
03:25:07,008 --> 03:25:12,648
a seat, I'll invite the public if they have questions.

2031
03:25:12,648 --> 03:25:15,688
This is the time for them to ask the questions.

2032
03:25:15,688 --> 03:25:17,688
So thank you. Yeah.

2033
03:25:27,289 --> 03:25:30,228
So I will, um, I will let you know that

2034
03:25:30,409 --> 03:25:33,908
now is the time when any resident or person who

2035
03:25:34,409 --> 03:25:38,868
has questions requires further clarification or information or wishes to

2036
03:25:38,889 --> 03:25:41,748
present their views on the proposal to come forward to

2037
03:25:41,748 --> 03:25:44,385
speak. As a reminder at the end of this public

2038
03:25:44,486 --> 03:25:48,225
meeting, staff will respond as well as the proponent if

2039
03:25:48,225 --> 03:25:52,073
needed. To questions or comments that have answers available at

2040
03:25:52,113 --> 03:25:55,826
this time. And so I have three people so far

2041
03:25:55,847 --> 03:26:00,308
who have registered to speak. And I believe, um, a

2042
03:26:00,308 --> 03:26:03,748
couple of them are here. And one is virtual. So

2043
03:26:04,089 --> 03:26:09,348
first up, I have Mr. Laurentibo. And are you available,

2044
03:26:09,348 --> 03:26:12,628
sir, to ask your question or make your comment, please.

2045
03:26:17,614 --> 03:26:21,079
Thank you, Madam Chair. I was one of the people

2046
03:26:21,180 --> 03:26:25,799
who originally was very enthusiastic about starting a Kraft PrERIN

2047
03:26:25,799 --> 03:26:28,359
town. As you may know, that was 10 years ago

2048
03:26:28,460 --> 03:26:32,919
now. And, uh, we were delighted that it was launched

2049
03:26:33,340 --> 03:26:37,479
very, very successful and became a great asset to other

2050
03:26:37,500 --> 03:26:46,633
community. Um. Following that initial success, uh, as many

2051
03:26:46,734 --> 03:26:52,553
startups, uh, see, it's tough to start up. And they

2052
03:26:52,593 --> 03:26:56,153
didn't quite make it. And they're not currently operating. But,

2053
03:26:56,153 --> 03:27:01,753
um, it's, uh, from my perspective, any kind of craft

2054
03:27:01,753 --> 03:27:05,033
brewery like that is a terrific asset to the community.

2055
03:27:05,033 --> 03:27:09,973
And I think its initial success certainly demonstrated that. Um,

2056
03:27:09,973 --> 03:27:14,233
so, um, I just want to speak in support of

2057
03:27:14,273 --> 03:27:19,033
the application. I'm delighted that new owners are willing to

2058
03:27:19,854 --> 03:27:21,833
have a go at it. I know there are plans

2059
03:27:21,934 --> 03:27:26,153
for the, for the, uh, the property over the long

2060
03:27:26,193 --> 03:27:28,713
term. But for the, for the current time, if we

2061
03:27:28,713 --> 03:27:32,633
could get the micro brewery restarted, that would be just

2062
03:27:33,694 --> 03:27:37,513
a terrific thing. So I'm pleased to support the application

2063
03:27:37,694 --> 03:27:42,414
to extend. The, whatever it is, the bylaw that allows

2064
03:27:42,595 --> 03:27:45,854
them to operate more or less as they have very

2065
03:27:45,854 --> 03:27:50,174
successfully before. And as was explained in the staff report,

2066
03:27:50,174 --> 03:27:53,294
I'm not aware of any issues that have arisen while

2067
03:27:53,294 --> 03:27:57,475
it was operating under the temporary permit before. So. So

2068
03:27:57,496 --> 03:28:01,395
that's my, uh, contribution. I hope the Council supports it.

2069
03:28:01,435 --> 03:28:08,872
Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Um. The second

2070
03:28:08,893 --> 03:28:14,014
person who I have up is Cheryl Sim. And Cheryl,

2071
03:28:14,014 --> 03:28:14,654
are you online.

2072
03:28:24,558 --> 03:28:30,040
Hi there. Yes, we hear you. Please. I dare. Please

2073
03:28:30,080 --> 03:28:34,425
go ahead. Um, no, I don't have any questions. Um,

2074
03:28:34,946 --> 03:28:38,825
the only thing is, um, as long as it's, um,

2075
03:28:39,346 --> 03:28:42,845
uh, it's a line with what was proposed, like what

2076
03:28:42,845 --> 03:28:47,645
was allowed before with, um, noise restrictions and respect to

2077
03:28:47,685 --> 03:28:52,604
the community. Surrounding community. I think it's great to have

2078
03:28:52,785 --> 03:28:59,907
another, um, new entrepreneur incoming. And, um, try to grow

2079
03:29:01,128 --> 03:29:07,807
and build this, uh, business, um, involving surrounding neighbourhoods. But

2080
03:29:07,807 --> 03:29:12,787
of course with respect to, um, the surrounding areas too.

2081
03:29:12,827 --> 03:29:17,864
So I have no questions at the moment. Thank you.

2082
03:29:18,807 --> 03:29:22,658
Thank you very much. I think that clarification you provided

2083
03:29:22,698 --> 03:29:29,285
is probably helpful. Um, next up I have Jessica Beck.

2084
03:29:29,285 --> 03:29:37,145
Are you in the chamber. Thank you. Uh, members of

2085
03:29:37,145 --> 03:29:40,505
the committee, thank you for the opportunity to speak. I

2086
03:29:40,686 --> 03:29:43,225
wanted to just bring a perspective of support for furnace

2087
03:29:43,225 --> 03:29:45,945
roomry from someone who lives on Elgin Street in this

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03:29:45,985 --> 03:29:49,840
neighbourhood. Um, I believe this amendments an important way to

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03:29:49,880 --> 03:29:54,480
support local food and beverage producers. Small independent businesses help,

2090
03:29:54,480 --> 03:29:58,000
uh, create a vibrant local economy. Keeping jobs investment and

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03:29:58,000 --> 03:30:01,188
spending within our community. A microbreweries more than just a

2092
03:30:01,228 --> 03:30:04,468
place that makes beer. It's a local manufacturer, a small

2093
03:30:04,508 --> 03:30:07,508
business and a gathering place that contributes to the unique

2094
03:30:07,609 --> 03:30:12,004
character of our neighbourhood. The last point highlights the importance

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03:30:12,044 --> 03:30:15,444
of creating and preserving these third spaces. Places that are

2096
03:30:15,545 --> 03:30:18,370
neither home nor work. But somewhere that people can come

2097
03:30:18,391 --> 03:30:24,814
together and build connections. In our increasingly isolated world, spaces

2098
03:30:24,814 --> 03:30:28,254
were neighbours can meet socialize and participate in community life

2099
03:30:28,835 --> 03:30:31,917
are extremely valuable to me. A well - run microbrewery

2100
03:30:31,917 --> 03:30:34,477
can provide that type of welcoming environment for residents of

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03:30:34,477 --> 03:30:38,309
all ages. For these reasons, I believe a brewery or

2102
03:30:38,330 --> 03:30:42,389
restaurant would benefit our community, supporting local entrepreneurship, fostering that

2103
03:30:42,410 --> 03:30:46,309
social connection, and creating more opportunities for arts and culture

2104
03:30:46,309 --> 03:30:49,511
to thrive. I want to just speak on a personal

2105
03:30:49,532 --> 03:30:51,511
note that my husband and I moved into our house

2106
03:30:51,532 --> 03:30:55,006
on Elgin Street in the summer of 2021. And what

2107
03:30:55,046 --> 03:30:57,806
made it stand out from every other house was a

2108
03:30:57,806 --> 03:30:59,246
breed that we could pretty much see from our front

2109
03:30:59,286 --> 03:31:03,996
door. During that first summer, the brewery was an oasis

2110
03:31:03,996 --> 03:31:06,476
away from the chaos of unpacking. And a great way

2111
03:31:06,476 --> 03:31:08,476
to meet our new neighbours in a really friendly atmosphere.

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03:31:09,565 --> 03:31:12,264
Over the last five years, we've made that two -

2113
03:31:12,264 --> 03:31:15,224
minute walk to the brewery countless times. I'm enjoyed our

2114
03:31:15,264 --> 03:31:17,224
new tradition of picking up some local beer on a

2115
03:31:17,224 --> 03:31:21,617
Friday afternoon. They have been excellent and respectful neighbours, and

2116
03:31:21,617 --> 03:31:23,237
we've never had an issue with any of the guests.

2117
03:31:24,161 --> 03:31:27,180
Although furnace from brewery is not currently an operation. It's

2118
03:31:27,180 --> 03:31:31,340
my hope that in extending this zoning amendment, Ideally permanently,

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03:31:31,340 --> 03:31:33,580
it will encourage a similar business to operate in the

2120
03:31:33,580 --> 03:31:36,460
same location and rebuild the small community hub that was

2121
03:31:36,561 --> 03:31:38,140
part of the reason we fell in love with our

2122
03:31:38,180 --> 03:31:41,455
neighbourhood. Thank you for your time and consideration. I just

2123
03:31:41,495 --> 03:31:44,095
wanted to bring a sort of local voice and support

2124
03:31:44,135 --> 03:31:50,668
of the brewery. Thank you very much. Are there any

2125
03:31:50,668 --> 03:31:54,508
others in the chamber who wish to speak to this

2126
03:31:54,548 --> 03:31:58,455
item. Yes, sir.

2127
03:32:05,524 --> 03:32:08,603
Well, Mad Mayor, councillors. I just have a question, one

2128
03:32:08,603 --> 03:32:13,100
question to the new Michael Brewers. Um, I love the

2129
03:32:13,100 --> 03:32:16,260
idea that I'm fully supportive of it. I'd like to

2130
03:32:16,260 --> 03:32:19,327
know what you're going to do differently. To allow this

2131
03:32:19,367 --> 03:32:22,349
business to be successful. And not fall into the same

2132
03:32:25,010 --> 03:32:28,649
trapdoor of what happened with the furnace roomberry. That's the

2133
03:32:28,649 --> 03:32:31,362
only question I have. And sir, could you please give

2134
03:32:31,383 --> 03:32:34,642
your name and address? All of my name's Anthony Galari.

2135
03:32:34,642 --> 03:32:39,284
And from 19h Street in Acton. That's it.

2136
03:32:45,753 --> 03:32:47,732
Sir, could you just hold for a second? I'm going

2137
03:32:47,732 --> 03:32:50,932
to see if there are any other questions, and then

2138
03:32:50,932 --> 03:32:54,692
we can answer them all at the same time. Is

2139
03:32:54,713 --> 03:32:57,012
there anyone else in the gallery that wants to make

2140
03:32:57,193 --> 03:33:05,109
a comment. Okay. Is there anyone online. No. Okay. We're

2141
03:33:05,149 --> 03:33:14,820
good. Thank you. Thank you for the question.

2142
03:33:17,800 --> 03:33:21,939
So currently, uh, we're talking to two groups that are

2143
03:33:21,939 --> 03:33:25,665
looking at operating the brewery. The model obviously would have

2144
03:33:25,665 --> 03:33:28,283
to change quite a bit. Um, I would like to,

2145
03:33:28,283 --> 03:33:30,443
you know, when we were, the first round with the

2146
03:33:30,483 --> 03:33:34,043
brewery, we were going through COVID new business, honeymoon phase,

2147
03:33:34,043 --> 03:33:37,143
um, obviously we weren't perfect. We made mistakes. But, uh,

2148
03:33:37,264 --> 03:33:42,123
we're looking to change the environment economically to that new

2149
03:33:42,384 --> 03:33:47,908
tenant that will hopefully make that space flourish. Yeah. That

2150
03:33:47,929 --> 03:33:51,348
stated there's some modification into the type of, uh, distribution

2151
03:33:51,609 --> 03:33:55,028
that comes out of there. Uh, and it should support

2152
03:33:55,049 --> 03:33:57,748
it a little bit better. But the addition of the

2153
03:33:57,849 --> 03:34:01,668
food was a huge, huge component. And I believe that,

2154
03:34:01,668 --> 03:34:03,908
uh, once that gets fleshed out and becomes, you know,

2155
03:34:04,169 --> 03:34:07,588
the awareness becomes more broad. I mean, you know, to

2156
03:34:07,628 --> 03:34:09,748
a four Georgetown more opportunities of some more different to

2157
03:34:09,788 --> 03:34:12,608
go to and spend some time, uh, within, you know,

2158
03:34:13,049 --> 03:34:16,268
reasonable hours, you know, the real family atmosphere there. I

2159
03:34:16,268 --> 03:34:18,228
think that it's going to be a, you know, thing

2160
03:34:18,249 --> 03:34:19,828
that the community is going to love to see back

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03:34:19,868 --> 03:34:27,635
in place. Thank you. All right.

2162
03:34:30,965 --> 03:34:33,744
So I think, I think we've heard from all members

2163
03:34:33,744 --> 03:34:37,744
of the public who want to weigh in. And we've

2164
03:34:37,784 --> 03:34:42,544
heard from the owners. Is there any final comment from

2165
03:34:42,885 --> 03:34:47,041
staff. That you want to provide prior to the conclusion

2166
03:34:47,041 --> 03:34:52,341
of this meeting. Is he none? Thank you. I will

2167
03:34:52,522 --> 03:34:56,181
now then declare this public meeting closed. As mentioned earlier,

2168
03:34:56,362 --> 03:34:59,856
Council will take no action in this proposal tonight. And

2169
03:34:59,856 --> 03:35:04,096
if you wish to receive further information regarding this proposal,

2170
03:35:04,096 --> 03:35:08,976
please contact our planner, Ruscanard, following this meeting. And a

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03:35:09,016 --> 03:35:15,376
business containing her business card containing her contact information can

2172
03:35:15,376 --> 03:35:19,016
be found when you exit the Council Chambers. So thank

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03:35:19,056 --> 03:35:23,158
you very much for your attention to this item. On

2174
03:35:23,198 --> 03:35:28,461
our public meeting agenda. And so we'll now just allow

2175
03:35:28,482 --> 03:35:31,341
a minute for anyone who was here only for that

2176
03:35:31,362 --> 03:35:37,422
meeting. Is now's a good time to exit. Next we

2177
03:35:37,422 --> 03:35:45,471
will be talking about. Um, our second meeting. And it

2178
03:35:45,511 --> 03:35:54,310
will be, um. Regarding 16768 22nd Side Road.

2179
03:35:56,153 --> 03:36:02,853
That is being submitted by Welling's planning. Okay.

2180
03:36:08,328 --> 03:36:11,987
So the town is holding a statutory public meeting for

2181
03:36:12,008 --> 03:36:17,347
the development application submitted by Welling's Planning Consultants on behalf

2182
03:36:17,347 --> 03:36:22,593
of shared and nursery's limited. The application is proposing to

2183
03:36:22,774 --> 03:36:26,673
amend the town of Halton Hills official plan to obtain

2184
03:36:26,713 --> 03:36:30,513
the necessary land use permissions to allow for a severance

2185
03:36:31,094 --> 03:36:37,073
to divide the 160 hectare or 400 acre parcel into

2186
03:36:37,094 --> 03:36:44,780
two lots. At 16768 22nd Side Road is squeezing. And

2187
03:36:44,801 --> 03:36:47,420
the purpose of this public meeting is to inform the

2188
03:36:47,441 --> 03:36:50,945
public of the proposal. And to provide members of the

2189
03:36:50,966 --> 03:36:55,505
community with the opportunity to ask questions and express their

2190
03:36:55,545 --> 03:37:00,875
views regarding the application. The planning act requires that at

2191
03:37:00,875 --> 03:37:05,473
least one public meeting beheld for any development proposal. And

2192
03:37:05,473 --> 03:37:08,353
that members of the public shall be given an opportunity

2193
03:37:08,393 --> 03:37:13,774
to make representations in respect of the proposal. In the

2194
03:37:13,795 --> 03:37:17,891
format of this public meeting is as follows. The town

2195
03:37:17,912 --> 03:37:21,731
will provide a presentation that generally explains the purpose and

2196
03:37:21,771 --> 03:37:26,404
details of the application. And the applicant will then present

2197
03:37:26,505 --> 03:37:31,677
any further relevant information. Afterwards, the public can express their

2198
03:37:31,698 --> 03:37:36,206
views on the proposal. Or as questions for clarification regarding

2199
03:37:36,246 --> 03:37:40,855
the application. I'm informing you that any person or public

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03:37:40,876 --> 03:37:43,655
body that does not make oral submissions at a public

2201
03:37:43,676 --> 03:37:47,255
meeting or make written submissions to the town of Halton

2202
03:37:47,295 --> 03:37:51,815
Hills before Council makes a decision regarding the proposed official

2203
03:37:51,996 --> 03:37:55,585
plan amendment. May not be added as a party to

2204
03:37:55,585 --> 03:37:58,865
the hearing of an appeal before the Ontario land tribunal

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03:37:59,846 --> 03:38:03,265
unless in the opinion of the tribunal, there are reasonable

2206
03:38:03,446 --> 03:38:07,663
grounds to do so. Please contact planning staff for further

2207
03:38:07,684 --> 03:38:11,605
information on the appeal process. It's important to note that

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03:38:11,786 --> 03:38:15,925
Councillors are here to observe and listen to comments only.

2209
03:38:15,925 --> 03:38:18,805
Council will not be taking any action or make a

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03:38:18,805 --> 03:38:22,988
decision on the proposal tonight. Staff will be reporting to

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03:38:23,089 --> 03:38:26,588
Council at a later date with a recommendation for Council's

2212
03:38:26,628 --> 03:38:30,188
consideration. And at the end of the public meeting, staff

2213
03:38:30,289 --> 03:38:33,228
will respond to questions or comments that have answers available

2214
03:38:33,569 --> 03:38:37,934
at this time. All other responses are answers will be

2215
03:38:37,934 --> 03:38:41,275
provided by staff at a later date. When the recommendation

2216
03:38:41,275 --> 03:38:45,687
is brought forward to Council for Decision. So with the

2217
03:38:45,788 --> 03:38:49,927
town's Representative from the Planning Department, Josh Sellsbury, please come

2218
03:38:49,967 --> 03:38:51,447
forward to explain the proposal.

2219
03:39:05,692 --> 03:39:08,310
Thank you, Madam Mayor. And good evening to you, Madam

2220
03:39:08,350 --> 03:39:10,866
Mayor, as well as the rest of Council. I also

2221
03:39:10,887 --> 03:39:12,546
want to say good evening to those from the public

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03:39:12,807 --> 03:39:15,106
who are attending in person tonight and tuning in virtually.

2223
03:39:15,605 --> 03:39:18,364
My purpose tonight is to provide a summary of the

2224
03:39:18,364 --> 03:39:21,504
official plan amendment application submitted on behalf of shared and

2225
03:39:21,504 --> 03:39:26,784
nursery's limited for the lands located at 1676822 Side Road

2226
03:39:26,965 --> 03:39:30,496
and a squeezing. The application is seeking to obtain the

2227
03:39:30,517 --> 03:39:33,603
necessary permissions to allow for the future severance. Of the

2228
03:39:33,864 --> 03:39:37,703
existing 160 hectare, which is 400 acres. Parcel, which is

2229
03:39:37,743 --> 03:39:41,223
known as shared in nurseries into 280 hectare or 200

2230
03:39:41,263 --> 03:39:51,154
hectare lots. The subject lands municipally known

2231
03:39:51,194 --> 03:39:55,794
as 1676822 Side Road are located on 22 Side Road

2232
03:39:55,815 --> 03:39:59,853
in between 10th line and Winston Churchill Boulevard. The Western

2233
03:39:59,893 --> 03:40:02,413
half of the lands, which are proposed to be severed,

2234
03:40:02,434 --> 03:40:05,853
contain the Sheridan Nursery's Horticultural Nursery as well as three

2235
03:40:05,893 --> 03:40:10,938
single detached dwellings used for farm worker accommodations. The eastern

2236
03:40:10,959 --> 03:40:13,258
half of the lands, which are proposed to be retained,

2237
03:40:13,679 --> 03:40:17,178
are agricultural lands that contain one detached dwelling used for

2238
03:40:17,359 --> 03:40:20,968
farm worker accommodation. There are also two wood lots situated

2239
03:40:20,989 --> 03:40:24,088
across the property and a natural heritage feature located in

2240
03:40:24,088 --> 03:40:27,048
the southeast corner of Tenth Line in 22 Side Road.

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03:40:28,167 --> 03:40:31,746
The surrounding land uses are primarily agricultural with some single

2242
03:40:32,087 --> 03:40:34,786
detached dwellings as well as the town of Caladin to

2243
03:40:34,786 --> 03:40:43,402
the east and Glen Williams to the west. As mentioned,

2244
03:40:43,402 --> 03:40:46,602
the application seeks to amend the town's official plan to

2245
03:40:46,623 --> 03:40:49,722
obtain the necessary permissions to allow for the future severance

2246
03:40:49,762 --> 03:40:54,362
of the existing 160 hectare or 400 acres parcel, which

2247
03:40:54,362 --> 03:40:57,562
is known as shared in nurseries into 280 hectare or

2248
03:40:57,583 --> 03:41:01,163
200 acre lots. The severed lot is intended to be

2249
03:41:01,203 --> 03:41:03,883
sold to a new group wanting to maintain the existing

2250
03:41:04,144 --> 03:41:07,728
nursery use. The retain lot would remain under ownership of

2251
03:41:07,909 --> 03:41:10,528
a company started by the shareholders of shared and nurseries

2252
03:41:10,949 --> 03:41:19,990
with the agricultural use maintained on - site. The subject

2253
03:41:20,171 --> 03:41:23,430
lands are subject to the Greenbelt plan, which establishes a

2254
03:41:23,470 --> 03:41:27,350
policy framework intended to conserve the agricultural land base, support

2255
03:41:27,371 --> 03:41:33,110
agricultural viability, and protect environmental features. The subject lands, which

2256
03:41:33,131 --> 03:41:35,910
are approximately within the drawn - on yellow circle shown

2257
03:41:35,950 --> 03:41:38,150
on this map. It's kind of hard to see there,

2258
03:41:38,150 --> 03:41:40,630
but you can see it a little bit. Our primary

2259
03:41:40,651 --> 03:41:44,150
located within the protected countryside designation of the Greenbelt plan,

2260
03:41:44,150 --> 03:41:47,680
which is the darker green colour on this map. A

2261
03:41:47,720 --> 03:41:50,720
small northwest colour of the subject lands falls within the

2262
03:41:50,821 --> 03:41:56,291
green belt natural heritage system. This application is not proposing

2263
03:41:56,552 --> 03:42:01,164
the removal of the subject lands from the Greenbelt. It

2264
03:42:01,164 --> 03:42:04,124
should be noted that section 4. 6 of the Greenbelt

2265
03:42:04,164 --> 03:42:07,884
plan contains policies that contemplate limited instances of law creation

2266
03:42:08,305 --> 03:42:12,204
within the protected countryside designation, so long as the severed

2267
03:42:12,204 --> 03:42:15,164
and retain lots are intended for agricultural uses and the

2268
03:42:15,185 --> 03:42:18,924
minimum MOT size is 400 hectares or 100 acres within

2269
03:42:19,105 --> 03:42:28,439
prime agricultural areas. Under the town's official plan, the subject

2270
03:42:28,540 --> 03:42:32,893
lands or designated protected countryside area. The subject lands are

2271
03:42:32,893 --> 03:42:36,173
also identified as being within the primaricultural area with the

2272
03:42:36,173 --> 03:42:39,133
northwest corner being identified as natural heritage system in the

2273
03:42:39,154 --> 03:42:43,329
Green Bell Plann. Section E1. 4. 2 of the town's

2274
03:42:43,329 --> 03:42:47,249
official plan permits agricultural operations in the Protected Countryside Area.

2275
03:42:48,442 --> 03:42:54,501
However, notwithstanding provincial policy which contemplates servants in agricultural areas.

2276
03:42:54,501 --> 03:42:57,061
The town's official plan identifies that the creation of new

2277
03:42:57,162 --> 03:43:00,101
lots outside of the urban area, Hamlet, and rural cluster

2278
03:43:00,141 --> 03:43:04,021
area designation are prohibited. Unless intended for a utility or

2279
03:43:04,042 --> 03:43:08,395
a public body. Therefore, an official plan amendment is required

2280
03:43:08,435 --> 03:43:16,770
for the proposed future severance. Under comprehensive zoning Bylaw 2010

2281
03:43:16,791 --> 03:43:20,690
- 0050, the majority of the subject lands are zoned

2282
03:43:20,730 --> 03:43:24,050
protected countryside with a small portion located at the northwest

2283
03:43:24,090 --> 03:43:28,450
corner being zoned as protected countryside natural heritage systems too.

2284
03:43:29,479 --> 03:43:38,864
These designations permit agricultural uses. Comments from

2285
03:43:39,125 --> 03:43:42,464
Townstaff include the requirement of land dedication for the appropriate

2286
03:43:42,645 --> 03:43:45,424
right of way widths for 10th line in 22 Side

2287
03:43:45,464 --> 03:43:48,064
Road, which may result in a give or take 3

2288
03:43:48,565 --> 03:43:52,064
metre widenings being required from the existing 20 metre rights

2289
03:43:52,064 --> 03:44:01,048
of way. As of today, no comments have been formally

2290
03:44:01,088 --> 03:44:02,008
submitted by the public.

2291
03:44:15,861 --> 03:44:22,398
Sorry about, oh geez. Sorry about that. Oh. It's Monday

2292
03:44:22,398 --> 03:44:27,202
for this thing too, I guess, eh? Alright, I don't

2293
03:44:27,202 --> 03:44:30,534
know why this isn't. Do you mind just flipping the

2294
03:44:30,534 --> 03:44:31,894
side of the next one? There you go, thank you.

2295
03:44:32,883 --> 03:44:35,662
Following the public meeting, planning staff will await a second

2296
03:44:35,683 --> 03:44:38,702
submission from the applicant for review that addresses the comments

2297
03:44:38,702 --> 03:44:41,822
and issues identified by town departments and external agency staff.

2298
03:44:43,480 --> 03:44:45,939
Staff will also await and work through any comments provided

2299
03:44:46,040 --> 03:44:49,333
by the public. Members of the public are encouraged to

2300
03:44:49,373 --> 03:44:52,693
provide oral comments at this public meeting where written comments

2301
03:44:52,733 --> 03:44:55,413
to me by August the 3rd or 3 weeks after

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03:44:55,514 --> 03:45:03,424
this meeting for consideration. Lastly, staff will then summarize and

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03:45:03,424 --> 03:45:06,304
address all comments in the final recommendation report to Council

2304
03:45:06,325 --> 03:45:10,165
regarding the disposition of this matter. To request to be

2305
03:45:10,165 --> 03:45:12,325
added to the email notification list, or if you have

2306
03:45:12,325 --> 03:45:15,685
any further questions for me, please email me. My address

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03:45:15,866 --> 03:45:25,277
is jsalt. ca. So this concludes the

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03:45:25,277 --> 03:45:30,907
presentation, and thank you Madam Mayor Council. Thank you, Mr.

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03:45:31,168 --> 03:45:37,530
Sellsbury. I now call on the applicant to provide any

2310
03:45:37,530 --> 03:45:41,985
further information or details on the proposal. Aye, goody. Good

2311
03:45:41,985 --> 03:45:46,077
evening, Madam Mayor. Council members. My name is Glenn Wellings.

2312
03:45:46,077 --> 03:45:49,917
I'm Planning Consultant for Sheridan Nursery's on this matter. Uh,

2313
03:45:50,178 --> 03:45:53,784
Mr. Carl Stenson. From Sheridan Nurse Reese is also an

2314
03:45:53,784 --> 03:45:57,464
attendance this evening. We're happy to answer any questions of

2315
03:45:57,464 --> 03:46:00,264
the public. Just a few comments. I'll try and be

2316
03:46:00,264 --> 03:46:06,102
brief, Madam Mayor. First of all, thank you Mr. Sellsbury

2317
03:46:06,142 --> 03:46:08,662
for the presentation. Uh, he covered off a lot of

2318
03:46:08,843 --> 03:46:12,662
detail in a short period of time. As Mr. Salisbury

2319
03:46:12,763 --> 03:46:17,210
didn't mention. The purpose of the application is to facilitate

2320
03:46:17,791 --> 03:46:22,535
the sale of the existing Glenn Williams Nursery operation. And,

2321
03:46:22,535 --> 03:46:26,695
uh, just to explain, Mr. Stenson is a third generation

2322
03:46:27,436 --> 03:46:32,341
owner. And is planning to retire. Which is good on

2323
03:46:32,341 --> 03:46:37,050
him. After close to 60 years in the business. So

2324
03:46:37,090 --> 03:46:40,890
the fourth generation, unfortunately, has pursued at her career paths

2325
03:46:41,391 --> 03:46:44,922
and will not and cannot take over the business. Uh,

2326
03:46:44,962 --> 03:46:48,442
so there is a pending sale. Purchaser has come forward.

2327
03:46:50,315 --> 03:46:53,414
And will be acquiring a significant portion of the Sheridan

2328
03:46:53,435 --> 03:46:58,694
Nursery's property, Sir Land's, including the subject lands and the

2329
03:46:59,915 --> 03:47:02,694
200 - acre portion of the subject lands that Mr.

2330
03:47:02,795 --> 03:47:05,997
Salisbury had mentioned. And, uh, Madam Mayor, if I can

2331
03:47:06,037 --> 03:47:12,237
call on the town clerk to put up a graphic,

2332
03:47:12,237 --> 03:47:15,437
I've distributed this to both the Town Hall cleric into

2333
03:47:15,698 --> 03:47:22,777
two town planning staff. And this identifies in yellow, the

2334
03:47:22,777 --> 03:47:27,502
lands that are subject to the purchase. And the lands

2335
03:47:27,502 --> 03:47:31,662
that are shown in white will be the lands that

2336
03:47:31,683 --> 03:47:37,174
are retained undersharatin nurses ownership. In a company that will

2337
03:47:37,195 --> 03:47:41,858
be set up. Um, in the future. So metamair and

2338
03:47:41,898 --> 03:47:45,298
Council members, this is a good news story. Uh, the,

2339
03:47:45,298 --> 03:47:48,498
uh, Sheridan was, um, in the process of winding down

2340
03:47:48,538 --> 03:47:54,578
the business, uh, but instead, uh, this opportunity does retain

2341
03:47:54,599 --> 03:47:58,498
a business in the community. And the jobs will also

2342
03:47:58,519 --> 03:48:01,938
remain in the community, which is really good news story.

2343
03:48:02,978 --> 03:48:08,637
Um, unfortunately, matter mayor, as we come to expect with

2344
03:48:08,658 --> 03:48:12,477
social media these days, there has been some misinformation that's

2345
03:48:12,477 --> 03:48:17,117
been circulating surrounding this application. So I, uh, going to

2346
03:48:17,157 --> 03:48:21,917
clarify that for, for this Council. First of all, there

2347
03:48:21,957 --> 03:48:25,037
is no change in land use proposed here. The official

2348
03:48:25,378 --> 03:48:29,277
plan amendment for the subject lands is simply to facilitate

2349
03:48:29,378 --> 03:48:32,957
a severance application. Uh, there was no change in the

2350
03:48:33,058 --> 03:48:37,197
lands. They are in agricultural production now. They will remain

2351
03:48:37,538 --> 03:48:44,542
in agricultural production. Mr. Salisbury did mention that the lands

2352
03:48:45,123 --> 03:48:49,888
are located entirely within the green belt. These lands are

2353
03:48:49,928 --> 03:48:52,528
not part of the white belt that has been a

2354
03:48:52,549 --> 03:48:56,954
rumour circulating. These lands are wholly contained within the green

2355
03:48:56,975 --> 03:49:00,434
belt plan. And there's no plans to remove these lands

2356
03:49:00,474 --> 03:49:05,394
from the green belt for redevelopment purposes. And by the

2357
03:49:05,394 --> 03:49:08,723
way, the town has no jurisdiction. To do that. It's

2358
03:49:08,744 --> 03:49:13,205
a provincial plan. But there was no intent whatsoever to

2359
03:49:13,205 --> 03:49:16,753
remove these lands from the Green Bell Plan. From a

2360
03:49:16,774 --> 03:49:20,433
planning perspective, the application is consistent with the provincial planning

2361
03:49:20,454 --> 03:49:25,772
statement. And does conform to the Green Belt plan and

2362
03:49:25,812 --> 03:49:29,445
the region of Halton official plan. The Green Belt Plan

2363
03:49:29,946 --> 03:49:35,105
actually does provide for severances of agricultural properties. That maintain

2364
03:49:35,126 --> 03:49:39,065
a minimum size of 40 hectares or 100 acres. So

2365
03:49:39,065 --> 03:49:42,785
the towns official plans pretty prohibitive and in restrictive in

2366
03:49:42,825 --> 03:49:46,824
this regard. And I'm hoping that'll be looked at in

2367
03:49:46,864 --> 03:49:52,203
the future. Uh, during an official plant review. From a

2368
03:49:52,304 --> 03:49:55,723
planet, from the amendment required to the Halton Hills Official

2369
03:49:55,744 --> 03:50:01,742
Plan will result in the creation of two lots. Uh,

2370
03:50:02,163 --> 03:50:06,793
each having 200 acres in size. As Mr. Salisbury had

2371
03:50:06,894 --> 03:50:11,593
mentioned, uh, each one of these parcels already contains existing

2372
03:50:11,774 --> 03:50:15,030
homes. So in this case, a new building lot will

2373
03:50:15,051 --> 03:50:21,685
not be created. These are existing building lots. So Madam

2374
03:50:21,685 --> 03:50:24,325
Mayor Council members, I'm happy to answer any questions in

2375
03:50:24,325 --> 03:50:30,062
the public hoping that clarification does resonate. And, um, I'll

2376
03:50:30,102 --> 03:50:37,088
be back. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Clarification.

2377
03:50:40,653 --> 03:50:44,232
So now I will invite any resident or person who

2378
03:50:44,333 --> 03:50:48,667
has questions requires further clarification or information. Or wishes to

2379
03:50:48,707 --> 03:50:51,707
present their views on the proposal to come forward to

2380
03:50:51,747 --> 03:50:54,528
speak. As a reminder at the end of this public

2381
03:50:54,629 --> 03:50:58,688
meetings staff will be respond to questions or comments that

2382
03:50:58,789 --> 03:51:02,608
have answers available at this time. And all other responses

2383
03:51:02,869 --> 03:51:05,488
are answers will be provided by staff at a later

2384
03:51:05,528 --> 03:51:09,440
date. When the recommendation is brought forward to Council for

2385
03:51:09,701 --> 03:51:16,197
decision. So I have one person who is registered so

2386
03:51:16,237 --> 03:51:20,677
far. Mr. Rogers Stoffford, I believe you are in the

2387
03:51:20,778 --> 03:51:28,443
gallery. Thank you. Model. That's great. Thank you.

2388
03:51:35,435 --> 03:51:41,315
Uh, good evening, Madam Mayor and Councillors. I am here

2389
03:51:41,656 --> 03:51:47,452
representing Glenn Williams Community Association. To speak regarding the application.

2390
03:51:48,138 --> 03:51:50,677
Uh, that's just been spoken about. Uh, for the official

2391
03:51:51,098 --> 03:51:55,851
plan amendment. I have only lived here for 45 years.

2392
03:51:57,300 --> 03:52:00,779
Sheridan Nurses has been here a lot longer. And, uh,

2393
03:52:00,900 --> 03:52:04,964
the story of Chardnicers is a great story. It has

2394
03:52:05,065 --> 03:52:09,284
strong roots here in Glenn Williams and novel and Georgetown.

2395
03:52:10,884 --> 03:52:14,463
I am the first to say that propsy owners have

2396
03:52:14,484 --> 03:52:19,023
rights. And Sheridan Nurses has decided to exercise their rights,

2397
03:52:19,023 --> 03:52:21,968
put the land up for sale. And exercise their right

2398
03:52:22,008 --> 03:52:26,203
to apply for the official plan amendment. The landing question

2399
03:52:26,544 --> 03:52:30,043
is that the northeast corner of Glen Williams slightly further

2400
03:52:30,464 --> 03:52:34,203
east of that point lies the, what I'll refer to

2401
03:52:34,243 --> 03:52:38,203
as the vast subdivisions of Brampton, where they continue to

2402
03:52:38,224 --> 03:52:42,363
bill their highest concentration of new housing directly on our

2403
03:52:42,544 --> 03:52:48,224
northeast corner. I Googled and according to Google 30, 000

2404
03:52:48,485 --> 03:52:53,093
new residents arrive in our northeast neighbour every year. The

2405
03:52:53,114 --> 03:52:56,453
growth is four times faster than Canada five times faster

2406
03:52:56,493 --> 03:53:00,792
than Ontario. All to say that there is immense pressure

2407
03:53:01,053 --> 03:53:05,534
to build housing in the northeast corner. The subject application

2408
03:53:05,555 --> 03:53:08,516
does not ask for a change of land use. Uh,

2409
03:53:08,537 --> 03:53:12,645
which is agricultural. On the other side of the Sheridan

2410
03:53:12,746 --> 03:53:16,405
lands lies Glenn Williams, uh, which I've spoken about before

2411
03:53:16,826 --> 03:53:21,579
and which we're all familiar with. For traffic from the

2412
03:53:21,840 --> 03:53:26,362
burgeoning megopolis on our northeast corner to get westward. And

2413
03:53:26,402 --> 03:53:29,498
that is Main Street. That runs through the heart of

2414
03:53:29,498 --> 03:53:33,971
the village and through the hearts of village life. Here,

2415
03:53:34,472 --> 03:53:38,211
narrow road that's evokes the characteristic feel of the historic

2416
03:53:38,211 --> 03:53:46,737
village. People meander school children meander tourists meander. The road

2417
03:53:46,758 --> 03:53:51,449
is busy with people. Planners would dream to be able

2418
03:53:51,449 --> 03:53:56,676
to create such a community environment. Fitting to the context,

2419
03:53:56,676 --> 03:53:59,984
the road has no curbs. There is no demarcation of

2420
03:54:00,085 --> 03:54:05,994
boundaries. People stroll cars park, often reverse park. Fitting to

2421
03:54:06,015 --> 03:54:11,914
local businesses that thrive, the paces relaxed, even when packed

2422
03:54:11,914 --> 03:54:15,508
with Taurus. We are all familiar. With the many businesses

2423
03:54:15,508 --> 03:54:19,479
that operate in the hearts of the village. And people

2424
03:54:19,500 --> 03:54:22,866
live here. They don't just sleep and commute. Many of

2425
03:54:22,866 --> 03:54:25,746
the local homeowners live and actually stay and spend their

2426
03:54:25,786 --> 03:54:31,679
time right there in the village core. My ask here

2427
03:54:31,700 --> 03:54:37,695
tonight. Is that Council resolves alongside this subject application. To

2428
03:54:37,716 --> 03:54:41,939
get the missing part of 22nd Side Road built. Between

2429
03:54:42,440 --> 03:54:46,418
10th line and eighth line. Building a direct route between

2430
03:54:46,599 --> 03:54:49,618
our northeast corner and Highway 7 on our west side.

2431
03:54:50,248 --> 03:54:54,627
Would give traffic an attractive alternative route to funneling through

2432
03:54:54,627 --> 03:54:58,783
the harps of the Heritage Village. And would directly contribute

2433
03:54:59,044 --> 03:55:04,063
to preserving and enhancing the irreplaceable heritage asset that is

2434
03:55:04,063 --> 03:55:07,575
Glenn Williams. Thank you very much for the opportunity to

2435
03:55:07,575 --> 03:55:15,230
speak. And there may be staff comments to that request.

2436
03:55:16,465 --> 03:55:21,621
Later. Is there anyone else in the gallery. Who wishes

2437
03:55:21,621 --> 03:55:24,261
to speak? Yes, please come forward and give your name

2438
03:55:24,682 --> 03:55:25,061
and address.

2439
03:55:36,250 --> 03:55:39,509
Thank you for the opportunity to speak, Madam Chair. My

2440
03:55:39,549 --> 03:55:42,389
name is Jeff Westwood. I live at 12 109 10th

2441
03:55:42,410 --> 03:55:45,109
line. So I'm one of those little notches that you

2442
03:55:45,149 --> 03:55:47,929
see in your presentation. So I have a couple of

2443
03:55:47,969 --> 03:55:55,049
questions for the first Welling's Planning Consultants. Obviously, uh, the

2444
03:55:55,070 --> 03:56:00,569
change of, uh, ownership, uh, but the keeping of the,

2445
03:56:00,569 --> 03:56:04,249
um, keeping the agriculture nature is very important to us.

2446
03:56:04,653 --> 03:56:07,192
Uh, obviously our biggest concern when I found out that

2447
03:56:08,333 --> 03:56:11,192
Sharondon were closing the doors where, you know, would we

2448
03:56:11,192 --> 03:56:13,032
be blighted with some of the other issues that we

2449
03:56:13,053 --> 03:56:16,792
have in town with illegal tracking. So when I was

2450
03:56:16,832 --> 03:56:19,132
told that it was going to stay agricultural, I was

2451
03:56:19,132 --> 03:56:25,432
very happy. So I do support this application. However, and

2452
03:56:25,613 --> 03:56:28,952
as always, I however, isn't it? However, I am concerned

2453
03:56:29,053 --> 03:56:36,953
about the five year plan for the new owners. Is

2454
03:56:36,974 --> 03:56:42,342
a expectation to grow. The, agricultural area. You know, I

2455
03:56:42,342 --> 03:56:46,802
back onto pretty much scrub land, which gets mode once

2456
03:56:46,842 --> 03:56:49,362
a year. Uh, and then a little bit more scrub

2457
03:56:49,623 --> 03:56:52,722
line. Do we know what the new owners plans are?

2458
03:56:52,722 --> 03:56:54,882
And I'm looking directly at you, sorry, I should look

2459
03:56:54,882 --> 03:56:58,082
at you. Do we know what the five year plan

2460
03:56:58,082 --> 03:57:04,802
is for this new owner? Obviously my biggest concerned is,

2461
03:57:04,802 --> 03:57:08,082
is there going to be additional greenhouses built? Um, will

2462
03:57:08,082 --> 03:57:10,962
there be additional noise? Will we see a lot more

2463
03:57:11,223 --> 03:57:16,642
traffic around the little road at the back? Um, tractors

2464
03:57:16,682 --> 03:57:19,122
and things like that. Will this start at four o'clock

2465
03:57:19,143 --> 03:57:21,442
in the morning like some of the operations do at

2466
03:57:21,442 --> 03:57:25,362
the moment. And then obviously my biggest concern is will

2467
03:57:25,383 --> 03:57:29,925
this impact the enjoyment of my own property. You know,

2468
03:57:29,925 --> 03:57:33,525
will I have to be without impair, you know, impact

2469
03:57:33,786 --> 03:57:39,185
everything from my home price. Will it be unsellable? Is

2470
03:57:39,206 --> 03:57:41,585
there going to be, uh, is there going to be

2471
03:57:41,585 --> 03:57:46,195
issues around that? Obviously it's not. Really anything to do

2472
03:57:46,235 --> 03:57:50,995
with your permission to give the change of severance. However,

2473
03:57:51,035 --> 03:57:52,995
this would be something that I would be looking at

2474
03:57:53,816 --> 03:57:58,595
in future. Should I need to take whatever course needs

2475
03:57:58,616 --> 03:58:02,755
action. If there is an impact on my enjoyment of

2476
03:58:02,795 --> 03:58:05,914
my own property. And that's it. So thank you for

2477
03:58:05,914 --> 03:58:08,554
your time. Thank you for your time. Thank you. And,

2478
03:58:08,594 --> 03:58:13,114
and I'll ask that perhaps that question could be answered

2479
03:58:13,295 --> 03:58:16,234
later on. If we hear from others in the audience

2480
03:58:16,274 --> 03:58:19,834
who might have questions because there might be a little

2481
03:58:19,834 --> 03:58:22,794
bit of overlap. So, um, thank you very much. Thank

2482
03:58:22,794 --> 03:58:27,029
you. Yes. And I think there are others who.

2483
03:58:34,423 --> 03:58:39,862
Good evening, everybody. Don't you enjoy air conditioning. You know,

2484
03:58:39,862 --> 03:58:43,422
thank you Mayor Town Council. Town staff and the public

2485
03:58:43,523 --> 03:58:47,560
for attending tonight. Thank you all to Schellsbury, who's been

2486
03:58:47,560 --> 03:58:50,789
very helpful in providing us with information. Um, I represent

2487
03:58:51,290 --> 03:58:56,219
a group called the concerns citizens of the Glenn. We

2488
03:58:57,120 --> 03:58:59,019
want to state, first of all, that we very much

2489
03:58:59,059 --> 03:59:03,747
appreciate Sheridan's long history and support of the Glenn. Shert

2490
03:59:03,747 --> 03:59:08,904
has been an important economic player for Halton Hills. Citizens

2491
03:59:08,944 --> 03:59:11,384
of the Glenn, though, however, opposed the amendment as we

2492
03:59:11,384 --> 03:59:15,815
found concerns that need to be addressed. We found inconsistencies

2493
03:59:15,855 --> 03:59:19,015
between the town report and the materials that reportedly supplied

2494
03:59:19,015 --> 03:59:24,055
by the applicant and the business plan shared by Sheridan.

2495
03:59:24,055 --> 03:59:25,975
Although we know that some of the concerns we had

2496
03:59:26,156 --> 03:59:29,832
were addressed in the Sherton's business plan. We note the

2497
03:59:30,013 --> 03:59:33,032
stated sense of urgency, but if that was the case,

2498
03:59:33,032 --> 03:59:35,912
why was the process not started earlier, the end of

2499
03:59:35,952 --> 03:59:39,184
June has passed. And mid - July is only two

2500
03:59:39,184 --> 03:59:42,975
days away. Succession planning takes a lot of time. And

2501
03:59:43,015 --> 03:59:45,935
so perhaps a little more advanced planning would be useful.

2502
03:59:46,807 --> 03:59:49,426
We also concerned about the absence of feedback from the

2503
03:59:49,447 --> 03:59:52,708
credit valley conservation authority. Because water is a very critical

2504
03:59:52,809 --> 03:59:56,628
issue for agricultural operations. But it's also a very critical

2505
03:59:56,729 --> 04:00:02,037
issue for the Glenn's ecosystem. In the shared inspecess plan,

2506
04:00:02,037 --> 04:00:03,717
it states that the stents and family will retain the

2507
04:00:03,978 --> 04:00:07,957
eastern portion of the 200 acres for agricultural purposes. Could

2508
04:00:07,957 --> 04:00:11,717
there be, um, more explanation of what those agricultural purposes

2509
04:00:11,757 --> 04:00:15,687
are planned. To give the Council a little more background

2510
04:00:16,588 --> 04:00:19,607
concerns citizens of the Glen was formed during the COVID

2511
04:00:19,647 --> 04:00:22,915
period. Which we all hopefully will be able to forget

2512
04:00:22,955 --> 04:00:27,971
soon. We operate under Chatham House rule. We aim for

2513
04:00:28,072 --> 04:00:32,131
unanimity whenever possible. And we rely on building consensus of

2514
04:00:32,131 --> 04:00:35,744
our members. Our members are residents that share intimate knowledge

2515
04:00:35,765 --> 04:00:40,666
of the community. So unfortunately we are not in the

2516
04:00:40,706 --> 04:00:43,951
position to support this plan. And thank you very much

2517
04:00:43,991 --> 04:00:47,229
for your time. Oh, sorry. Could you give your name,

2518
04:00:47,229 --> 04:00:51,439
please? Oh, sorry. I thought I did. Lindal Henson. Representative

2519
04:00:51,700 --> 04:00:55,116
concerns, citizens of the gland. Okay. Address to what might

2520
04:00:55,156 --> 04:01:00,893
address. 118 Confederation. Okay. We're just where we have one

2521
04:01:00,933 --> 04:01:03,693
of those great speed bumps that the concern citizens got

2522
04:01:03,733 --> 04:01:08,564
into play with the town's Council Hall. Name to please.

2523
04:01:08,604 --> 04:01:13,410
Thank you. Is there anyone else in the gallery who

2524
04:01:13,431 --> 04:01:21,634
wishes to. Madam Clerk, do we have anyone online. Okay.

2525
04:01:24,411 --> 04:01:28,870
Um, well, I see that there are no other speakers.

2526
04:01:28,870 --> 04:01:34,007
So I'm wondering if. Now my, my, my notes say

2527
04:01:34,508 --> 04:01:37,927
staff might provide answers, but it could be that the

2528
04:01:37,967 --> 04:01:41,767
proponent wants to, uh, respond to some of the questions

2529
04:01:42,028 --> 04:01:51,536
or comments. Madam. Mayor. Carl Stansen. Uh, to my right.

2530
04:01:53,227 --> 04:01:56,166
I'll let Carl speak to the five year plan and

2531
04:01:56,206 --> 04:02:00,002
in the purchaser. Um, there is some confidentiality with the

2532
04:02:00,343 --> 04:02:02,962
purchaser, but I like Carl speak to that. And I'll

2533
04:02:02,962 --> 04:02:05,126
speak to some of the others. Issues raised. Thank you.

2534
04:02:06,977 --> 04:02:11,196
Thank you. Thank you. Um, as far as talking about

2535
04:02:11,457 --> 04:02:15,515
succession planning, uh, we started 10 years ago. And, um,

2536
04:02:15,796 --> 04:02:20,095
went through two or three different proposals to buy our

2537
04:02:20,116 --> 04:02:27,117
company. For various reasons, mostly the fact that whoever wanted

2538
04:02:27,157 --> 04:02:29,837
to buy the nursery didn't want to buy the land.

2539
04:02:30,224 --> 04:02:32,523
Or whoever wanted to buy the land did not want

2540
04:02:32,544 --> 04:02:37,843
to run a nursery. And so last August, we made

2541
04:02:37,883 --> 04:02:42,830
the difficult decision. To wind down the nursery business. So

2542
04:02:42,851 --> 04:02:45,630
that the land could be sold to other agricultural people.

2543
04:02:47,195 --> 04:02:51,755
That wanted to run a farm. Um, there is no

2544
04:02:52,896 --> 04:02:58,370
development plan that is going on here. It's simply, and

2545
04:02:58,370 --> 04:03:01,270
I will say that why is this just coming up?

2546
04:03:01,371 --> 04:03:04,470
Because about six weeks ago, someone came to us and

2547
04:03:04,510 --> 04:03:10,799
said, I have a plan. I have financing. And, but

2548
04:03:10,799 --> 04:03:13,849
I only have financing for so much. And if you

2549
04:03:13,849 --> 04:03:16,249
saw the acreage that we put up on the screen

2550
04:03:16,990 --> 04:03:21,509
before that little yellow diagram that I coloured up, uh,

2551
04:03:21,509 --> 04:03:24,329
I stayed within the lines too. It was really very

2552
04:03:24,329 --> 04:03:29,129
good. Um, but it's approximately half the land that we

2553
04:03:29,230 --> 04:03:35,484
own in the gland. And that person or persons could

2554
04:03:35,505 --> 04:03:38,364
not afford to buy all of the land to run

2555
04:03:38,404 --> 04:03:42,509
the business. Their plan is to run a scaled down

2556
04:03:42,610 --> 04:03:47,590
nursery. Not an increased nursery, but a scaled down growing

2557
04:03:47,590 --> 04:03:51,510
only certain products. We at one point grew close to

2558
04:03:51,851 --> 04:03:55,832
a thousand different varieties of plants. They're proposing to grow

2559
04:03:56,093 --> 04:03:59,912
about 40 to 50 varieties of plants. But the big

2560
04:03:59,952 --> 04:04:05,112
ones that we are known for, such as boxwood, where

2561
04:04:05,112 --> 04:04:09,895
the largest box would grow in Canada. And so, and

2562
04:04:09,996 --> 04:04:14,055
one of the second largest in North America. And so

2563
04:04:14,476 --> 04:04:19,415
they're planning on just using those, um, with mass merchants,

2564
04:04:19,676 --> 04:04:23,095
Home Depot. We have a huge contract with Home Depot.

2565
04:04:23,095 --> 04:04:27,988
So they're carrying on those. Businesses. Um, but they did

2566
04:04:27,988 --> 04:04:31,028
not want that land. All the rest of the land.

2567
04:04:31,028 --> 04:04:33,588
And I will say that anything that's drawn in yellow

2568
04:04:33,929 --> 04:04:38,735
there has been developed mostly for container growing. Which you're

2569
04:04:38,756 --> 04:04:42,682
growing plants in containers above the ground. All of the

2570
04:04:42,682 --> 04:04:48,432
other ones that weren't coloured in. Are mostly field. And

2571
04:04:48,613 --> 04:04:50,832
because when we first bought this land in the 50s

2572
04:04:50,872 --> 04:04:54,032
and 60s, all of our production was in the ground.

2573
04:04:55,627 --> 04:04:58,966
So, um, it's a matter of the person who wants

2574
04:04:58,966 --> 04:05:02,680
to do this. And as, as Glenn said, um, we're

2575
04:05:02,701 --> 04:05:06,120
very happy that this is happening because we told our

2576
04:05:06,141 --> 04:05:09,140
staff that they'd all be out of work. And now

2577
04:05:10,121 --> 04:05:13,300
there's probably about 40 to 45 of them that will

2578
04:05:13,340 --> 04:05:18,755
have permanent jobs. In Halton. And that's good for Halton

2579
04:05:18,795 --> 04:05:22,340
as well and good for the community. Um, again, there

2580
04:05:22,380 --> 04:05:25,060
is no way that we can put a subdivision up.

2581
04:05:25,060 --> 04:05:27,037
No way we can do anything. With the land because

2582
04:05:27,037 --> 04:05:30,872
it is Greenbelt. I will say also, as far as

2583
04:05:30,893 --> 04:05:36,952
credit Valley and conservation, um, Sheridan was the first company

2584
04:05:37,213 --> 04:05:40,312
in Canada to put in a bio pond, which is

2585
04:05:40,333 --> 04:05:44,392
over 30 million gallons with a backup pond of 20

2586
04:05:44,413 --> 04:05:50,793
million gallons. And, uh, that pond. Has reduced the water

2587
04:05:51,214 --> 04:05:56,343
consumption from the credit river by 40 percent. And that

2588
04:05:57,324 --> 04:06:00,823
is millions of gallons. Cause in a very hot day,

2589
04:06:00,823 --> 04:06:03,223
you can punk two million gallons of water onto the

2590
04:06:03,404 --> 04:06:08,640
field. And so I think we've been very good in

2591
04:06:08,640 --> 04:06:11,898
conservation. I think we have moved as quickly as we

2592
04:06:11,898 --> 04:06:15,738
can to work on this proposal. And it came out

2593
04:06:15,778 --> 04:06:17,498
of the blue, as I say. So it's not like

2594
04:06:17,759 --> 04:06:20,698
we should have done this 10 years ago or five

2595
04:06:20,698 --> 04:06:24,538
years ago. We'd been working on it. And finally, I'd

2596
04:06:24,538 --> 04:06:26,618
like to say that we have supported the Glenn Williams

2597
04:06:26,719 --> 04:06:31,898
Town Hall with our shrub sale. The shrub sale that

2598
04:06:31,938 --> 04:06:35,418
they have every year on the 24th of May weekend,

2599
04:06:35,418 --> 04:06:37,962
we donate all of those plants. To them so that

2600
04:06:37,962 --> 04:06:40,442
they can sell and make money for the town Hall.

2601
04:06:41,209 --> 04:06:44,148
And, uh, we calculate that probably a quarter of a

2602
04:06:44,148 --> 04:06:46,468
million dollars who has been put towards the town hall

2603
04:06:46,489 --> 04:06:49,550
over the years from the sale of those shrubs. So

2604
04:06:49,811 --> 04:06:54,270
I think we'd actually named a citizen of the year.

2605
04:06:54,270 --> 04:06:56,590
The company was a citizen of the year for Glenn

2606
04:06:56,590 --> 04:06:59,550
Williams. So we're very proud of our connection with the

2607
04:06:59,811 --> 04:07:04,030
Glenn and, um, this is a simple severance to allow

2608
04:07:04,051 --> 04:07:07,230
us to keep the business going once we're out of

2609
04:07:07,230 --> 04:07:09,790
it. And as far as what's happening with the rest

2610
04:07:09,790 --> 04:07:13,470
of the land, it's going into a new co, which

2611
04:07:13,470 --> 04:07:17,390
with the same shareholders. And if someone comes along and

2612
04:07:17,430 --> 04:07:19,390
wants to buy it for farmland, then we'll sell it

2613
04:07:19,390 --> 04:07:27,245
for farmland. That's. A moment. Okay. Madam Chair, if I

2614
04:07:27,245 --> 04:07:30,825
can just, um, add a few more comments. In terms

2615
04:07:30,825 --> 04:07:35,385
of the first gentleman that spoke, uh, expressed concerns about

2616
04:07:35,646 --> 04:07:40,185
noise traffic and enjoying his own property, just a reminder,

2617
04:07:40,206 --> 04:07:43,538
this is an agricultural area. You're going to have a

2618
04:07:43,538 --> 04:07:50,023
heavy equipment machinery. In occasionally noise. In traffic and use

2619
04:07:50,023 --> 04:07:54,862
of roads by, by heavy equipment. So just, just, uh,

2620
04:07:54,903 --> 04:08:04,578
just a note on that. Concern citizens of the Glenn.

2621
04:08:05,239 --> 04:08:10,478
I'm puzzled by, by the opposition to the application, uh,

2622
04:08:10,759 --> 04:08:16,498
the inconsistencies, uh, between what dissemitted on behalf of Sheridan

2623
04:08:16,759 --> 04:08:20,803
and what. The town staff report. Indicates. I didn't see

2624
04:08:20,904 --> 04:08:25,823
any inconsistencies. Um, but I like to know who they're

2625
04:08:25,823 --> 04:08:30,863
speaking on behalf of man, a mayor, Council members, because

2626
04:08:30,884 --> 04:08:34,303
every time I deal with this, this concern citizens at

2627
04:08:34,303 --> 04:08:37,905
a gland, I just hear from one person. In it's

2628
04:08:37,905 --> 04:08:41,477
always negative. So I would like to know who they

2629
04:08:41,517 --> 04:08:47,103
are. And who's, what their membership is like, why. Are

2630
04:08:47,103 --> 04:08:52,020
these people part of the Glenn Williams community association. It

2631
04:08:52,020 --> 04:08:55,989
was speak and I unified voice. And so I am

2632
04:08:56,029 --> 04:08:59,418
concerned by their opposition. And I'd like to know more

2633
04:08:59,418 --> 04:09:03,708
about their organisation. So, Madam Chair, that's all I have

2634
04:09:03,708 --> 04:09:11,258
to say. Thank you. Well, and thank you very much

2635
04:09:11,279 --> 04:09:17,042
for those responses. And I certainly everyone around this table

2636
04:09:18,503 --> 04:09:22,002
and everyone in this room, I should guess as very

2637
04:09:22,002 --> 04:09:26,722
well aware of what a prominent citizen shared in nursery's

2638
04:09:26,762 --> 04:09:30,722
has been of the Glenn and have broader town of

2639
04:09:30,762 --> 04:09:35,325
Halton Halls. And, um, I know we're sad when all

2640
04:09:35,346 --> 04:09:38,899
good things come to an end. But, um, we, we

2641
04:09:39,080 --> 04:09:44,469
certainly do applaud. The contributions of shared in nurseries to

2642
04:09:44,490 --> 04:09:50,689
our community have been absolutely profound over decades. So, um,

2643
04:09:50,970 --> 04:09:55,349
thank you for coming and describing what you see the

2644
04:09:55,349 --> 04:10:03,105
future as holding. It's very helpful for us. Okay. Are

2645
04:10:03,145 --> 04:10:12,952
there any further comments from staff. Thank you, Madam

2646
04:10:12,992 --> 04:10:15,352
Mayor. And through you, Madam Mayor, we have been taking

2647
04:10:15,533 --> 04:10:19,192
some pretty diligent notes during this presentation. So we will

2648
04:10:19,192 --> 04:10:22,872
be providing information to the questions that were asked in

2649
04:10:22,872 --> 04:10:25,502
the recommendation report. I do also want to add that

2650
04:10:25,923 --> 04:10:30,362
credit value conservation have been circulated on this application. And

2651
04:10:30,403 --> 04:10:32,782
they will be reviewing it and providing comments to this

2652
04:10:32,782 --> 04:10:40,533
application. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you. Yes, sir. Mr.

2653
04:10:40,714 --> 04:10:46,107
Stanson. Just one thing, Credit Valley Conservation is coming to

2654
04:10:46,288 --> 04:10:51,462
walk the site tomorrow. So they are involved. Thank you.

2655
04:10:54,568 --> 04:10:57,107
And we're aware that this public meeting is just part

2656
04:10:57,107 --> 04:11:02,694
of the process. And so decisions will not be made

2657
04:11:02,955 --> 04:11:08,487
imminently. There are, there is still more review to happen.

2658
04:11:11,393 --> 04:11:14,732
Okay. So I will conclude the meeting then. I declare

2659
04:11:14,753 --> 04:11:18,972
this public meeting closed. And as mentioned earlier, Council will

2660
04:11:18,993 --> 04:11:22,991
take no action on this proposal tonight. Staff will be

2661
04:11:22,991 --> 04:11:26,751
reporting at a later date with a recommendation for Council's

2662
04:11:26,751 --> 04:11:30,911
consideration. And if you wish to receive further information regarding

2663
04:11:31,172 --> 04:11:36,111
the proposal, please contact our planner Josh Sellsbury following the

2664
04:11:36,151 --> 04:11:40,550
meeting. A business card containing his contact information can be

2665
04:11:40,571 --> 04:11:45,099
found when you exit the Council Chambers. So thank you

2666
04:11:45,120 --> 04:11:49,979
very much. And this is a good time for anyone

2667
04:11:49,979 --> 04:11:53,899
who wants to, um, make their way home. We have

2668
04:11:53,939 --> 04:11:55,259
one more public meeting tonight.

2669
04:12:54,511 --> 04:12:57,290
So if residents could make their way and have their

2670
04:12:57,311 --> 04:13:01,290
conversations in the hallway, that would allow us to move

2671
04:13:01,311 --> 04:13:08,156
on to the next meeting. Thank you. So the town

2672
04:13:08,257 --> 04:13:12,156
is now holding a public meeting for the development application

2673
04:13:12,196 --> 04:13:17,010
submitted by first Gulf Corporation. On behalf of the owners.

2674
04:13:17,010 --> 04:13:21,806
And the application is proposing a zoning bylaw amendment. To

2675
04:13:21,846 --> 04:13:28,126
permit five multi - unit industrial warehouse buildings with 271

2676
04:13:28,707 --> 04:13:33,006
commercial vehicle waiting spaces and a maximum building height of

2677
04:13:33,187 --> 04:13:39,587
15 metres at 14829 stealsue. And the purpose of this

2678
04:13:39,768 --> 04:13:42,867
public meeting is to inform the public of the proposal.

2679
04:13:43,538 --> 04:13:46,237
And to provide members of the community with the opportunity

2680
04:13:46,277 --> 04:13:50,637
to ask questions and express their views regarding the application.

2681
04:13:51,984 --> 04:13:55,803
The planning act requires at least one public meeting beheld

2682
04:13:55,843 --> 04:13:59,744
for any development proposal. And that members of the public

2683
04:13:59,845 --> 04:14:03,744
shall be given an opportunity to make representations in respect

2684
04:14:03,845 --> 04:14:08,855
of the proposal. The format of this public meeting is

2685
04:14:09,036 --> 04:14:13,392
as follows. The town will provide a presentation that generally

2686
04:14:13,413 --> 04:14:17,986
explains the purpose and details of the application. The applicant

2687
04:14:18,026 --> 04:14:22,329
will then present any further relevant information. And afterwards, the

2688
04:14:22,350 --> 04:14:26,249
public can express their views on the proposal or ask

2689
04:14:26,350 --> 04:14:31,905
questions for clarification regarding the application. As chair, I am

2690
04:14:32,006 --> 04:14:35,425
informing you that any person or public body that does

2691
04:14:35,425 --> 04:14:39,025
not make oral submissions at a public meeting or make

2692
04:14:39,065 --> 04:14:42,305
written submissions to the town of Halton Hills before being

2693
04:14:42,806 --> 04:14:48,104
added as a party. Before the Ontario land tribunal, unless

2694
04:14:48,285 --> 04:14:51,464
in the opinion of the tribunal, there are reasonable grounds

2695
04:14:51,565 --> 04:14:55,549
to do so. Please contact planning staff for further information

2696
04:14:56,290 --> 04:15:01,110
on the appeal process. It's important to note that councillors

2697
04:15:01,150 --> 04:15:04,230
are here to observe and listen to comments tonight only.

2698
04:15:05,139 --> 04:15:08,238
Council will not be taking any action or make a

2699
04:15:08,238 --> 04:15:11,518
decision on the proposal tonight. At the end of the

2700
04:15:11,699 --> 04:15:15,198
public meeting staff will respond to questions or comments that

2701
04:15:15,219 --> 04:15:19,679
have answers available at the time. All other responses or

2702
04:15:19,719 --> 04:15:22,479
answers will be provided by staff at a later date.

2703
04:15:23,860 --> 04:15:27,919
The authority to approve and PAST minor zoning bylaw amendments

2704
04:15:28,260 --> 04:15:33,431
has been delegated to the commissioner of planning. Provided any

2705
04:15:33,612 --> 04:15:37,812
concerns raised by the public or staff. Regarding the review

2706
04:15:37,993 --> 04:15:43,227
process are resolved to the satisfaction of the commissioner. So

2707
04:15:43,488 --> 04:15:47,307
with the towns representative from the Planning Department, just cover

2708
04:15:47,347 --> 04:15:55,852
him please come forward to explain the proposal. Thank you,

2709
04:15:55,852 --> 04:15:58,972
Madam Chair. Good evening, Madam Mayor Councillor, staff and members

2710
04:15:59,012 --> 04:16:01,772
of the public. The purpose of this evening stashed story

2711
04:16:01,812 --> 04:16:04,012
public meeting is to present an overview of the zoning

2712
04:16:04,113 --> 04:16:08,252
bylaw amendment application submitted by first Gulf Corporation on behalf

2713
04:16:08,292 --> 04:16:11,612
of 1st Gulf Halton Steeles Limited and Sun Life Assurance

2714
04:16:11,652 --> 04:16:14,661
Company of Canada. The Soning by - law amendment application

2715
04:16:14,762 --> 04:16:20,981
pertains to the property location. In the Premier Gateway Employment

2716
04:16:21,002 --> 04:16:30,931
Area of Halton Halls. So the subject property is

2717
04:16:30,931 --> 04:16:33,131
located on the west side of ninth line north of

2718
04:16:33,192 --> 04:16:36,931
Steels Avenue and the Premier Gateway Employment Area. The lands

2719
04:16:36,931 --> 04:16:40,931
have approximate area of 41. 72 hectares are just over

2720
04:16:41,432 --> 04:16:46,131
103 acres with approximately 462 metres of frontage along steels

2721
04:16:46,152 --> 04:16:50,619
avenue and 512 metres along ninth line. The northern portion

2722
04:16:50,659 --> 04:16:53,179
of the site includes the tributary of the 16 -

2723
04:16:53,179 --> 04:16:56,878
mile creek and the lands are currently vacant. With regards

2724
04:16:56,878 --> 04:17:00,078
to the neighbourhood context surrounding land uses to the subject

2725
04:17:00,339 --> 04:17:05,758
lands include agricultural lands approved for future industrial development and

2726
04:17:05,758 --> 04:17:11,199
single detached dwellings along nightline. Agricultural lands to the east,

2727
04:17:11,199 --> 04:17:14,959
approved for future industrial development. To the south single detached

2728
04:17:14,999 --> 04:17:19,039
dwellings and an institutional use, which contains a church and

2729
04:17:19,039 --> 04:17:23,937
a cemetery. And additional agricultural lands approved for future industrial

2730
04:17:23,977 --> 04:17:28,681
development across deals avenue. And to the West is agricultural

2731
04:17:28,942 --> 04:17:33,081
lands approved for future industrial development and the continuation of

2732
04:17:33,121 --> 04:17:40,220
the tributary of the 16 mile creek. So this is

2733
04:17:40,220 --> 04:17:44,620
the development proposal before you the application seeks to obtain

2734
04:17:44,660 --> 04:17:47,740
the necessary land use permissions to construct five multi -

2735
04:17:47,740 --> 04:17:52,140
unit industrial warehouse buildings at 14829 STEALS Avenue in the

2736
04:17:52,180 --> 04:17:55,295
Premier Gateway Employment Area. Although the end users have not

2737
04:17:55,335 --> 04:18:00,015
been determined, the intended uses of the property include building

2738
04:18:00,836 --> 04:18:03,935
the intended uses proposed industrial buildings include but are not

2739
04:18:03,975 --> 04:18:10,108
limited to warehouse. Warehousing wholesaling distribution and accessory office uses.

2740
04:18:10,108 --> 04:18:12,188
Uh, the five buildings are shown as being divided into

2741
04:18:12,449 --> 04:18:16,188
18 leasing units total on the submitted plan. However, each

2742
04:18:16,209 --> 04:18:18,988
building can be organised to accommodate more or fewer units

2743
04:18:19,489 --> 04:18:23,754
depending on the need for prospective tenants. The applicants are

2744
04:18:23,775 --> 04:18:29,114
proposing 245 loading spaces and 271 commercial vehicle waiting spaces.

2745
04:18:29,871 --> 04:18:32,810
It is important to note that while the transportation impacts

2746
04:18:32,850 --> 04:18:35,770
CETI proposes six access points to the site to access

2747
04:18:35,810 --> 04:18:39,130
points off steels avenue and four access points off ninth

2748
04:18:39,151 --> 04:18:42,650
line, the updated development concept presented on the slide includes

2749
04:18:42,690 --> 04:18:45,770
only four access points to the site which was addressing

2750
04:18:45,770 --> 04:18:46,810
comments received from staff.

2751
04:18:55,646 --> 04:18:59,065
So policy context here, this is the Halton Hale Hale's

2752
04:18:59,065 --> 04:19:02,245
official plan designation. So under the town's official plan, the

2753
04:19:02,245 --> 04:19:05,305
property is located within the Premier Gateway employment area phase

2754
04:19:05,486 --> 04:19:09,865
2B secondary plan area. Um, under OPA 50 was approved

2755
04:19:09,905 --> 04:19:13,520
by the Ontario Land Tribunal. The plans identify the subject

2756
04:19:13,621 --> 04:19:17,440
property is being designated prestige industrial area, which permits a

2757
04:19:17,440 --> 04:19:22,000
wide range of employment related uses, including manufacturing assembly, processing

2758
04:19:22,181 --> 04:19:28,800
warehousing, wholesaling, and distribution facilities located primarily within the buildings.

2759
04:19:28,821 --> 04:19:31,680
Under the secondary plan, the subject site is designated as

2760
04:19:31,861 --> 04:19:35,947
prestige industrial area and natural heritage system. Uh, the property

2761
04:19:36,048 --> 04:19:40,027
is also subject to a residential special policy area overlay,

2762
04:19:40,027 --> 04:19:41,947
uh, which applies to the lands where there is existing

2763
04:19:42,128 --> 04:19:45,627
residential uses, which might not develop in the short term.

2764
04:19:45,667 --> 04:19:48,827
Policies that apply to the residential special policy area overlay

2765
04:19:48,867 --> 04:19:51,467
include the requirements for landscaping and other buffering to be

2766
04:19:51,507 --> 04:19:54,827
provided along the boundary of the site proposed for development

2767
04:19:55,008 --> 04:20:02,937
adjacent to the existing residential uses. So Halton Hale zoning

2768
04:20:02,977 --> 04:20:06,617
bylaws, subject property is zoned agricultural A and environmental protection

2769
04:20:07,038 --> 04:20:12,137
one EP1 under the zoning bylaw 2010 - 0050 as

2770
04:20:12,137 --> 04:20:15,577
amended, which does not permit industrial uses. The applicant is

2771
04:20:15,577 --> 04:20:19,897
proposing to rezone the property zone agricultural to a site

2772
04:20:19,918 --> 04:20:23,257
- specific for a one corridor prestige industrial M7 zone

2773
04:20:23,918 --> 04:20:27,730
to facilitate the proposed development. Sites - specific provisions regarding

2774
04:20:27,770 --> 04:20:30,610
the number of commercial vehicle waiting spaces and maximum building

2775
04:20:30,650 --> 04:20:34,810
height is required. The EP - 1 zone at the

2776
04:20:34,831 --> 04:20:37,530
northwest corner of the property would remain and be expanded

2777
04:20:37,570 --> 04:20:40,250
to acknowledge the tributary of the 16 - mile creek

2778
04:20:40,751 --> 04:20:44,567
and the required associated buffers. As mentioned in the previous

2779
04:20:44,588 --> 04:20:47,767
slides, the lands are included within the phase 2B of

2780
04:20:47,767 --> 04:20:51,047
the Premier Gateway Employment Area. On June 1st of this

2781
04:20:51,047 --> 04:20:53,607
year, a public meeting was held to discuss the phase

2782
04:20:53,628 --> 04:20:56,247
2B draft zoning by - law amendment, which would establish

2783
04:20:56,588 --> 04:21:01,153
zoning permissions to implement the phase 2B Secondary Plan. While

2784
04:21:01,193 --> 04:21:03,073
the approval of the phase 2B zoning by - law

2785
04:21:03,113 --> 04:21:06,193
amendment would permit industrial warehouse on the site, a site

2786
04:21:06,214 --> 04:21:08,113
- specific zoning by - law amendment would still be

2787
04:21:08,113 --> 04:21:11,313
required to abstain. Site - specific provisions for the proposed

2788
04:21:11,353 --> 04:21:19,140
development. Um. I have on the back. Note that once

2789
04:21:19,180 --> 04:21:21,300
the phase 2 be zoning by law amendment is in

2790
04:21:21,300 --> 04:21:24,260
effect, the subject application could be considered a minor zoning

2791
04:21:24,300 --> 04:21:27,700
bylaw amendment given the application would only seek to vary

2792
04:21:27,740 --> 04:21:30,660
standards of the phase 2B bylaw rather than implement new

2793
04:21:30,681 --> 04:21:34,226
zoning permissions for the lands. Uh, as per By -

2794
04:21:34,226 --> 04:21:39,586
law 2022 - 0039 Council has delegated authority to approve

2795
04:21:39,927 --> 04:21:41,746
and past minor zoning by - law amendments to the

2796
04:21:41,786 --> 04:21:45,346
commissioner of planning, provided that any concerns identified through the

2797
04:21:45,367 --> 04:21:48,626
public consultation and technical review process have been resolved to

2798
04:21:48,666 --> 04:21:57,671
the satisfaction of the commissioner. So comments from agency and

2799
04:21:57,711 --> 04:22:02,791
department. So this submission materials were circulated to town department

2800
04:22:02,972 --> 04:22:06,926
and external agencies for review. These slides outline the comments

2801
04:22:07,187 --> 04:22:11,186
identified to staff by to date. So the first is

2802
04:22:11,447 --> 04:22:15,186
Ministry of Transportation or MTO. Lands are located within the

2803
04:22:15,207 --> 04:22:18,546
study area for Highway 413 and are currently subject to

2804
04:22:18,546 --> 04:22:22,546
the corridor protection overlay identified in the town's official plan.

2805
04:22:22,546 --> 04:22:26,226
However, MTO has since finalised the environmental assessment for the

2806
04:22:26,407 --> 04:22:29,706
Highway 413 route and have confirmed that the property is

2807
04:22:29,706 --> 04:22:32,706
located outside the future corridor and MTO permit control area.

2808
04:22:35,326 --> 04:22:40,333
Ministry of Energy and Minds. So ERO posting 025 -

2809
04:22:40,674 --> 04:22:45,533
1133, which pertains to refining the Protection Corridor for future

2810
04:22:45,554 --> 04:22:50,893
electricity, uh, transmission infrastructure in the northwest greater Toronto area

2811
04:22:51,794 --> 04:22:55,293
has revised the narrow area of interest or the NAI.

2812
04:22:56,683 --> 04:23:00,662
Identified under the provincial planning statement. The updated NAI may

2813
04:23:00,763 --> 04:23:05,902
impose additional constraints on the subject lands, potentially future, or

2814
04:23:05,902 --> 04:23:08,982
further limiting the development opportunities for the clarification from the

2815
04:23:09,083 --> 04:23:12,182
province will be required to be determined whether development may

2816
04:23:12,222 --> 04:23:19,425
proceed within these areas. Development Engineering staff require a separate

2817
04:23:19,526 --> 04:23:23,585
functional site servicing report in the next submission. Uh, this

2818
04:23:23,606 --> 04:23:26,625
report must address the proposed development site grading and Storm

2819
04:23:26,665 --> 04:23:29,905
Sewer layout and provide sufficient details to confirm that the

2820
04:23:29,905 --> 04:23:33,425
development is viable and will function appropriately within the intended

2821
04:23:33,446 --> 04:23:38,815
property. And zoning comments, a draft by law is proposing

2822
04:23:38,996 --> 04:23:41,295
a site - specific requirement for a maximum building height

2823
04:23:41,335 --> 04:23:45,215
of 15 metres. However, the proposed elevation drawings indicated a

2824
04:23:45,255 --> 04:23:48,495
maximum height of 15. 5 metres. Therefore a site -

2825
04:23:48,495 --> 04:23:50,815
specific requirement for maximum building height should be increased to

2826
04:23:50,836 --> 04:23:55,421
15. 6 metres. Uh, the propose all appears to meet

2827
04:23:55,421 --> 04:23:59,421
the definition of an industrial mall under the town zoning

2828
04:23:59,461 --> 04:24:02,061
by - law. The required parking rate for an industrial

2829
04:24:02,101 --> 04:24:04,701
mall is one space per 40 square metres of gross

2830
04:24:04,741 --> 04:24:06,701
floor area. So as a result, a site - specific

2831
04:24:06,882 --> 04:24:10,257
parking rate would be required. So further review and discussion

2832
04:24:10,278 --> 04:24:14,147
will be necessary for that. And if a road widening

2833
04:24:14,187 --> 04:24:17,987
is required along ninth line, the proposed exterior side yard

2834
04:24:18,027 --> 04:24:20,627
setback and planting strip may not comply with the minimum

2835
04:24:20,728 --> 04:24:24,227
bylaw requirements. Therefore, for the review and discussion for a

2836
04:24:24,227 --> 04:24:30,317
site - specific provision may also be required. Uh, Halton

2837
04:24:30,418 --> 04:24:33,357
region comments. So the region is currently undertaking a detailed

2838
04:24:33,397 --> 04:24:36,877
design project to extend water and wastewater services along steels

2839
04:24:36,917 --> 04:24:40,077
avenue. However, full municipal serving Singh is not yet available

2840
04:24:40,338 --> 04:24:44,234
for these lands. The submitted report does not demonstrate whether

2841
04:24:44,495 --> 04:24:48,674
sufficient infrastructure capacity exists to support the proposed development. So

2842
04:24:48,674 --> 04:24:51,914
additional analysis is required to confirm servicing feasibility for the

2843
04:24:51,954 --> 04:24:57,576
development. Along ninth line, the two proposed full access driveways

2844
04:24:57,677 --> 04:25:01,576
are spaced 130 metres apart as indicated in the traffic

2845
04:25:01,677 --> 04:25:04,715
impact study. As part of the first submission and do

2846
04:25:04,715 --> 04:25:07,675
not meet the Halton regions required minimum spacing of 400

2847
04:25:07,715 --> 04:25:10,715
metres. The layout should be revised to provide one full

2848
04:25:10,896 --> 04:25:16,291
axis, signalize entrance in one restricted access entrance. Uh, the

2849
04:25:16,331 --> 04:25:19,411
submitted concept plan does not identify the centre line of

2850
04:25:19,512 --> 04:25:22,451
STOEOS ANUR nine flying, so both steals Avenue in ninth

2851
04:25:22,451 --> 04:25:24,371
line are planned to be widened as per the approved

2852
04:25:24,392 --> 04:25:27,891
regional capital budget. As such, staff are unable to confirm

2853
04:25:27,931 --> 04:25:31,731
if the proposed development plans provide and protect for the

2854
04:25:31,832 --> 04:25:37,420
planned of both deals avenue and ninth line. And conservation

2855
04:25:37,460 --> 04:25:43,100
Halton comments to support confirmation of the limited between the

2856
04:25:43,140 --> 04:25:46,540
development and the non - developable zones. This submitted geotechnical

2857
04:25:46,641 --> 04:25:50,460
investigation report should be updated to provide preliminary conclusions relating

2858
04:25:50,460 --> 04:25:56,161
to the proposed store modern management pond outlet. And conservation

2859
04:25:56,201 --> 04:26:00,961
Halton recommends that the full extent of conservation Halton regulated

2860
04:26:01,062 --> 04:26:04,641
area be zoned for protection and placed into public ownership

2861
04:26:05,382 --> 04:26:10,349
where appropriate. Parks and open space, um, the northwest portion

2862
04:26:10,349 --> 04:26:13,709
of building fives parking and internal road network appears to

2863
04:26:13,709 --> 04:26:18,211
be within the significant woodland buffer. Um, justification must be

2864
04:26:18,251 --> 04:26:22,531
provided in the appropriate studies. Otherwise, uh, revision to the

2865
04:26:22,552 --> 04:26:25,811
site plan to remove any development within the buffer may

2866
04:26:25,851 --> 04:26:31,891
be required. And landscape plans should incorporate appropriate buffer screening

2867
04:26:31,992 --> 04:26:39,124
landscaping site design elements, um, for the site. Um, planning

2868
04:26:39,124 --> 04:26:41,844
stuff have received one request for additional information from the

2869
04:26:41,884 --> 04:26:44,564
public and no comments or concerns have been received to

2870
04:26:44,564 --> 04:26:47,093
date. Uh, the purpose of this public meeting is to

2871
04:26:47,093 --> 04:26:50,853
obtain additional comments and feedback from the community. Any additional

2872
04:26:50,874 --> 04:26:53,893
comments received from the public will also be reviewed, evaluated

2873
04:26:54,474 --> 04:26:59,887
and included in a final recommendation report. Next steps, uh,

2874
04:27:00,008 --> 04:27:02,867
following the statutory public meeting, planning staff will await a

2875
04:27:02,867 --> 04:27:06,467
second submission from the applicant to address the comments and

2876
04:27:06,467 --> 04:27:09,747
issues identified by town department and external agencies from our

2877
04:27:09,747 --> 04:27:13,267
initial review. Staff will also await and consider any comments

2878
04:27:13,307 --> 04:27:16,227
provided from the public members of the public are encouraged

2879
04:27:16,267 --> 04:27:18,707
to provide oral comments at the public meeting or written

2880
04:27:18,728 --> 04:27:20,947
comments to be by August 3rd, which is three weeks

2881
04:27:20,968 --> 04:27:24,787
following this meeting for consideration. And once staff have completed

2882
04:27:25,048 --> 04:27:28,387
our review of the proposal, we will, and summarize and

2883
04:27:28,387 --> 04:27:31,907
address any concerns in a final recommendation report regarding the

2884
04:27:32,088 --> 04:27:38,541
disposition of the matter. And thank you that concludes my

2885
04:27:38,581 --> 04:27:44,207
presentation. Thank you. I will now call on the applicant

2886
04:27:44,948 --> 04:27:48,127
if they wish to provide any further information and detail

2887
04:27:48,127 --> 04:27:48,847
on the proposal.

2888
04:27:59,176 --> 04:28:07,911
Online. Okay. Uh, Nicole. I, good evening. Um, thank you

2889
04:28:08,012 --> 04:28:12,051
Madam Mayor and thank you Jessica for the presentation. Um,

2890
04:28:12,332 --> 04:28:17,511
my name is Nuko Gwadnoli. I work for first golf.

2891
04:28:17,511 --> 04:28:21,351
As Jessica had indicated, uh, in her presentation, uh, the

2892
04:28:21,391 --> 04:28:24,631
purpose of our application, uh, was followed by both first

2893
04:28:24,671 --> 04:28:27,831
golf and sunlife, uh, essentially to bring the lines and

2894
04:28:27,871 --> 04:28:30,791
two conformity with the secondary plan, uh, which would ultimately

2895
04:28:31,132 --> 04:28:34,791
unlock the property to be the first development, um, under

2896
04:28:34,812 --> 04:28:38,631
construction within the phase two B lands. Um, as I

2897
04:28:38,631 --> 04:28:42,931
also noted earlier in my delegation, uh, this afternoon, uh,

2898
04:28:43,052 --> 04:28:45,511
there were some challenges that we had faced over the

2899
04:28:45,511 --> 04:28:48,311
last couple of years, uh, just including a collector Road

2900
04:28:48,652 --> 04:28:52,471
and the narrow era of interest regarding 413, um, which

2901
04:28:52,492 --> 04:28:55,911
we were able to overcome with staff. Uh, that ultimately

2902
04:28:56,092 --> 04:29:00,471
led us to filing this rezoning application. Uh, we are

2903
04:29:00,492 --> 04:29:04,311
aware of the comments identified in Jessica's presentation and a

2904
04:29:04,412 --> 04:29:07,911
resubmission will be submitted in the upcoming weeks, uh, just

2905
04:29:07,932 --> 04:29:12,311
to address, uh, those comments. And ideally bring forward a

2906
04:29:12,572 --> 04:29:16,931
positive staff report, uh, to conclude this recealing application. And

2907
04:29:16,931 --> 04:29:19,831
at this time I'm available to answer any questions that

2908
04:29:20,012 --> 04:29:25,426
there may be from the public. Thank you very much.

2909
04:29:26,734 --> 04:29:31,113
Um, so now I will invite any resident or person

2910
04:29:31,153 --> 04:29:35,660
who has questions requires for the clarification. Or information or

2911
04:29:35,700 --> 04:29:38,700
wishes to present their views on the proposal to come

2912
04:29:38,801 --> 04:29:41,837
forward to speak. As a reminder at the end of

2913
04:29:41,858 --> 04:29:45,197
the public meeting staff will respond to questions or comments

2914
04:29:45,538 --> 04:29:49,991
that have answers available at this time. Are there any

2915
04:29:50,092 --> 04:29:55,257
registered speakers. Oh, yes sir. Would you come forward? Yes.

2916
04:29:55,297 --> 04:30:02,476
Come ahead. Madam Mayor and Council members. My name's Henry

2917
04:30:02,497 --> 04:30:05,436
Alley. I'm with St. Stevens Ankle and Church. I've been

2918
04:30:05,436 --> 04:30:09,213
the former People's Warns for many years. It's the White

2919
04:30:09,253 --> 04:30:12,013
Church at the bottom of ninth line, or mountain view.

2920
04:30:12,958 --> 04:30:17,285
And steals Avenue. And our concern is water and sewage.

2921
04:30:17,285 --> 04:30:19,525
I know all the development's going to be to the

2922
04:30:19,565 --> 04:30:23,869
north. But we've always been hoping in our lifetime there.

2923
04:30:24,637 --> 04:30:28,404
We're over 189 years old. Um, that we would get

2924
04:30:28,665 --> 04:30:32,404
some water from the city somewhere and sewage probably get

2925
04:30:32,404 --> 04:30:36,404
through. We've got gas now, but we're looking for some

2926
04:30:36,444 --> 04:30:40,404
kind of, uh, indication that might come across the road

2927
04:30:40,585 --> 04:30:42,404
or it might just stay, as we've heard in the

2928
04:30:42,444 --> 04:30:44,484
past, it's all going to stay on the north side

2929
04:30:44,505 --> 04:30:47,364
of steals and not cutting across the side, the south

2930
04:30:47,404 --> 04:30:50,355
side. So that's my main concern. That's the main concern

2931
04:30:50,395 --> 04:30:52,755
to most of the people at the church. It's just,

2932
04:30:52,755 --> 04:30:57,100
and the church itself, and the rectory. And of course

2933
04:30:57,361 --> 04:30:59,980
the cemetery doesn't use any water except for watering and

2934
04:30:59,980 --> 04:31:04,488
stuff like that. So anyway, so that's my concern. And,

2935
04:31:04,488 --> 04:31:07,048
uh, thank you for listening to me for a second.

2936
04:31:08,085 --> 04:31:10,704
Well, thank you very much for those comments as a

2937
04:31:10,744 --> 04:31:16,099
neighbour. Yes. Okay. Is there anyone else in the gallery

2938
04:31:16,120 --> 04:31:22,998
who wishes to speak. Thank you, DMA and councillors. They're

2939
04:31:23,038 --> 04:31:26,278
with. I'm from Main Street North Gedstone. I have question

2940
04:31:26,379 --> 04:31:31,001
first question to the applicant. I know it's zoned institutional,

2941
04:31:31,001 --> 04:31:34,201
but have they made any considerations in building office space

2942
04:31:34,462 --> 04:31:38,299
or there. Because a lot of that area has become

2943
04:31:38,400 --> 04:31:41,019
warehouses. Just wait hoses, which is not going to create

2944
04:31:41,040 --> 04:31:43,739
any jobs. Obviously the town makes a lot of property

2945
04:31:43,779 --> 04:31:47,419
access and development charges, but employment wise that is not

2946
04:31:47,600 --> 04:31:50,919
big benefit. So my question to the applicant is, are

2947
04:31:50,919 --> 04:31:53,499
they considering to build some kind of office spaces which

2948
04:31:53,520 --> 04:31:57,259
would invite some big clients that can create some good

2949
04:31:57,440 --> 04:32:01,359
hyping skill jobs over there. And if they are considering

2950
04:32:01,399 --> 04:32:04,079
like that, are the expecting some kind of support from

2951
04:32:04,079 --> 04:32:09,534
the town. Curiosity, my next question, or should I just

2952
04:32:09,534 --> 04:32:12,654
wait for? Yes. Yeah. Add your next question, please. My

2953
04:32:12,654 --> 04:32:16,174
next question is for the town staff. This particular development

2954
04:32:16,214 --> 04:32:18,074
is huge, which is going to bring in a lot

2955
04:32:18,074 --> 04:32:20,814
of revenue in the form of development charges to start

2956
04:32:20,814 --> 04:32:25,533
with. So the town has calculated in numbers. And can

2957
04:32:25,554 --> 04:32:27,173
they also tell us how the funds is going to

2958
04:32:27,234 --> 04:32:29,613
completely use like because what I've absurd over the past

2959
04:32:29,653 --> 04:32:32,053
three years. There is a lot of dollar points. I

2960
04:32:32,053 --> 04:32:37,142
just being collected. But there is no clarity on whether

2961
04:32:37,163 --> 04:32:39,142
a hundred percent of the development judges is being spent

2962
04:32:39,182 --> 04:32:43,222
on municipal infrastructure. Valid injust or not. I've been complaining

2963
04:32:43,483 --> 04:32:47,302
about municipal services, especially water. I think has been done.

2964
04:32:47,302 --> 04:32:49,622
I know that the Halton region is spending some money

2965
04:32:49,723 --> 04:32:52,422
and expanding ninth line into four lane road. And there's

2966
04:32:52,462 --> 04:32:55,782
municipal services also being part of the proposal. But I

2967
04:32:55,782 --> 04:32:58,962
don't see any proposal in bringing in Munsper water. Uh,

2968
04:32:59,083 --> 04:33:01,542
the lake water to just or not. So I want

2969
04:33:01,542 --> 04:33:04,102
to understand the funds that is being connected from this

2970
04:33:04,142 --> 04:33:07,142
development, how that is being spent and where the allocation

2971
04:33:07,182 --> 04:33:15,535
is going on. Thank you. Thank. You. Anything anyone else

2972
04:33:15,716 --> 04:33:23,884
wants to add. Okay. Thank you. Um, do staff have

2973
04:33:23,924 --> 04:33:27,084
any comments about any of the questions that were asked.

2974
04:33:32,864 --> 04:33:35,483
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, we just had a quick

2975
04:33:35,584 --> 04:33:38,603
comment that the region is targeting 2028 for servicing for

2976
04:33:38,624 --> 04:33:41,803
that area. Um, but all other comments would be addressed

2977
04:33:41,904 --> 04:33:51,841
in our recommendation. Thank you. All right. Does the proponent

2978
04:33:51,841 --> 04:34:00,250
have anything for further to add. Did you have anything

2979
04:34:00,591 --> 04:34:10,559
to add. Hi Madame Mayor? Sorry

2980
04:34:10,559 --> 04:34:13,399
about that. Takes a second to connect here in my

2981
04:34:13,399 --> 04:34:17,999
laptop, uh, appreciate the questions in the comments, um, I

2982
04:34:18,039 --> 04:34:20,479
will continue to leave it to staff to just discuss

2983
04:34:20,580 --> 04:34:24,079
servicing for the area. Um, but in terms of the

2984
04:34:24,180 --> 04:34:27,839
actual uses itself, um, as it stands, we have been

2985
04:34:28,020 --> 04:34:32,319
actively in discussions with various large - scale, uh, industrial

2986
04:34:32,500 --> 04:34:37,659
users. Uh, the land is designated as prestige industrial. Um,

2987
04:34:37,659 --> 04:34:41,359
so that's what has been considered for the property. What

2988
04:34:41,359 --> 04:34:45,119
I will say is the zoning does also permit standalone

2989
04:34:45,140 --> 04:34:49,199
office. So shoot in the future, there be, uh, attendant

2990
04:34:49,300 --> 04:34:51,999
interested in the property. Um, I'm sure that's something that

2991
04:34:51,999 --> 04:34:54,639
we could take a look into, uh, once it gets

2992
04:34:54,639 --> 04:34:58,159
to a site plan application stage, um, but as it

2993
04:34:58,260 --> 04:35:01,679
stands, uh, right now it's just large scale industrial users.

2994
04:35:02,891 --> 04:35:12,243
That we're considering. All right. Thank you. Okay.

2995
04:35:17,542 --> 04:35:21,685
Yes. Did you want to come forward again? Uh. It

2996
04:35:21,685 --> 04:35:24,325
was what a follow - up question, I think. Not

2997
04:35:24,325 --> 04:35:28,405
that, but in general, I have a concern regarding these

2998
04:35:28,506 --> 04:35:32,485
lands, everything being industrial. That's just going to add more

2999
04:35:33,066 --> 04:35:36,554
truck traffic. Right from employment point of view. This is

3000
04:35:36,554 --> 04:35:39,594
a question to the town. Are we considering zoning specific

3001
04:35:39,615 --> 04:35:44,267
properties to office space. Because I've looked at states and

3002
04:35:44,307 --> 04:35:46,507
Ms. Saga Road where there's a lot of office space

3003
04:35:46,547 --> 04:35:50,267
in Brampton, Miss Saga, which is generating more revenue, more

3004
04:35:50,267 --> 04:35:53,699
six figure salary jobs. At I did work in Law

3005
04:35:53,699 --> 04:35:55,619
- Blast, there were some time. I know that area

3006
04:35:55,640 --> 04:35:58,659
very well. So it's a town doing an efforts because

3007
04:35:58,699 --> 04:36:01,779
I see the town spending money in inverting businesses or

3008
04:36:01,800 --> 04:36:06,448
Germany. Even funding some of the travel and interactions. But

3009
04:36:06,448 --> 04:36:10,148
I don't see any town policies in inviting Canadian companies

3010
04:36:10,169 --> 04:36:13,588
to create office spaces, not even zoning policies. There is

3011
04:36:13,588 --> 04:36:16,388
no money being spent on zoning changes. Right. You just

3012
04:36:16,388 --> 04:36:19,294
have to allow the zoning to build office spaces. Does

3013
04:36:19,294 --> 04:36:21,454
the town has any plan to create good jobs in

3014
04:36:21,494 --> 04:36:23,214
the town? If yes, I would like to see some

3015
04:36:23,254 --> 04:36:28,258
details. Thank you. All right. And I think staff can

3016
04:36:28,298 --> 04:36:31,859
follow up afterwards with you on, on that answer. Yeah.

3017
04:36:34,198 --> 04:36:39,057
Okay. Um, I think then we've heard from staff and

3018
04:36:39,057 --> 04:36:43,297
the proponent and follow up questions. And so I would

3019
04:36:43,318 --> 04:36:47,939
now declare this public meeting closed. As mentioned earlier, a

3020
04:36:47,939 --> 04:36:51,125
Council will take no action on this proposal tonight. And

3021
04:36:51,165 --> 04:36:55,605
if you wish to receive further information regarding the proposal,

3022
04:36:55,605 --> 04:37:00,303
please contact the planner Jessica Rahim following the meeting. A

3023
04:37:00,343 --> 04:37:03,983
business card containing her contact information can be found when

3024
04:37:04,244 --> 04:37:13,021
you exit the Council Chambers. So that's good. Let's see.

3025
04:37:13,061 --> 04:37:15,661
We haven't moved by Councillor Keane. Second of my Councillor

3026
04:37:15,701 --> 04:37:23,741
Norris that report PD 2026074 dated June 26, 2026 regarding

3027
04:37:23,842 --> 04:37:27,181
a public meeting for a proposed temporary use zoning bylaw

3028
04:37:27,202 --> 04:37:32,310
amendment. To extend a microbrew reviews for an additional three

3029
04:37:32,350 --> 04:37:36,745
years at one Elgin Street, Georgetown, we received. And that

3030
04:37:36,785 --> 04:37:41,465
further that all agency in public comment be referred to

3031
04:37:41,726 --> 04:37:46,825
staff for further report regarding the disposition of this matter.

3032
04:37:46,825 --> 04:37:48,877
All in favor. That's carried.

3033
04:37:58,267 --> 04:38:01,046
And we haven't moved by Councillor Brass. Second of my

3034
04:38:01,046 --> 04:38:06,806
Councillor Kinbaum that report PDE 2026 071 regarding a public

3035
04:38:06,987 --> 04:38:10,246
meeting for a proposed official plan amendment to allow for

3036
04:38:10,427 --> 04:38:16,486
a severance to divide the 160 hectare, 400 acre parcel

3037
04:38:16,667 --> 04:38:23,366
into two lots at 16768, 22nd Side Road to squeezing

3038
04:38:23,707 --> 04:38:27,683
be received. And further that all agency in public comments

3039
04:38:27,784 --> 04:38:31,263
be referred to staff for consideration as part of the

3040
04:38:31,263 --> 04:38:35,136
review of the development proposal. With the intention that a

3041
04:38:35,157 --> 04:38:39,216
recommendation report be brought forward to Council for disposition of

3042
04:38:39,256 --> 04:38:42,816
this matter at a later date, went staff have completed

3043
04:38:43,157 --> 04:38:48,858
their evaluation of the applications. All in favor. That's carried.

3044
04:38:59,795 --> 04:39:02,174
And we have it moved by Councillor Brass. Second of

3045
04:39:02,174 --> 04:39:08,814
our Councillor Kinbaum that report PD 2026062 dated June 29,

3046
04:39:08,814 --> 04:39:14,238
2026 regarding a public meeting. For Pro Posed zoning bylaw

3047
04:39:14,259 --> 04:39:19,677
amendment. To permit five multi - unit industrial buildings at

3048
04:39:19,938 --> 04:39:26,414
14829 steals Avenue Premier Gateway area be received. And further

3049
04:39:26,515 --> 04:39:29,774
that all agency and public comments be referred to staff

3050
04:39:29,795 --> 04:39:34,235
for further report. Regarding the disposition of this matter. All

3051
04:39:34,235 --> 04:39:36,065
in favor. That's carried.

3052
04:39:46,630 --> 04:39:49,769
And now finishing our public meetings, we are going to

3053
04:39:50,150 --> 04:39:54,266
return to general committee. It has been moved by Councillor

3054
04:39:54,306 --> 04:39:58,186
Keene, second of our Councillor Brass that we do now

3055
04:39:58,207 --> 04:40:04,412
return to general committee. And Councillor Rabano. You're on again.

3056
04:40:07,009 --> 04:40:09,252
All in favor. That's carried.

3057
04:41:00,531 --> 04:41:03,324
All right. Thank you very much. And we're back into

3058
04:41:03,505 --> 04:41:08,442
general committee. Uh, we have two, uh, two outstanding items

3059
04:41:08,543 --> 04:41:11,496
in the, uh, in the delegation and presentation. And then

3060
04:41:11,757 --> 04:41:14,856
I believe we have three, uh, three items in the

3061
04:41:14,877 --> 04:41:18,616
rest of the reports. So, uh, the first thing that

3062
04:41:18,616 --> 04:41:22,216
we'll do is we'll do the item F. We'll deal

3063
04:41:22,216 --> 04:41:25,976
with item F. And that's Jennifer Reynolds Halton Hills pickleball

3064
04:41:26,016 --> 04:41:34,495
association. Um, she's delegating regarding building communities. Yeah. Uh, building

3065
04:41:34,516 --> 04:41:39,424
communities strong fun. Eighth line park expansion expression of interest.

3066
04:41:39,424 --> 04:41:41,904
Um, submission. So, um, Jennifer.

3067
04:41:59,673 --> 04:42:06,306
Jennifer. You have the floor. We can't hear you.

3068
04:42:36,563 --> 04:42:39,022
You're not muted. Is there something else that you need

3069
04:42:39,022 --> 04:42:41,629
to turn on there. Jennifer?

3070
04:42:56,880 --> 04:43:00,048
Can you hear me now? Yes, we can loud and

3071
04:43:00,088 --> 04:43:04,208
clear. Okay. Just remind you that we have five minutes.

3072
04:43:04,208 --> 04:43:06,668
Okay. Yes. I know it's been a long day. Thank

3073
04:43:06,668 --> 04:43:10,668
you Chair Albano. And thank you members of Council for

3074
04:43:10,769 --> 04:43:14,508
allowing me to be a delegate. I'd also like to

3075
04:43:14,548 --> 04:43:18,988
just thank staff for having the memorandum on tonight's agenda.

3076
04:43:18,988 --> 04:43:21,148
I know it's being a bit of a piece of

3077
04:43:21,169 --> 04:43:24,119
work hitting that done. I'm speaking on behalf of the

3078
04:43:24,119 --> 04:43:27,719
Halton Hills pickleball association. And as the acting chair of

3079
04:43:27,759 --> 04:43:32,790
the Halton Hills Sports Coalition. As previously reported to Council,

3080
04:43:32,790 --> 04:43:36,390
the coalition includes several sports looking for additional indoor playing

3081
04:43:36,411 --> 04:43:42,230
space. Tennis Badmenton Volleyball basketball soccer baseball football flag football

3082
04:43:42,411 --> 04:43:47,499
cricket and pickleball representing over 7, 000 participants. We also

3083
04:43:47,539 --> 04:43:51,419
have two DOM providers providing guidance and needed technical advice.

3084
04:43:51,865 --> 04:43:54,324
I'd like to comment on two main points in the

3085
04:43:54,585 --> 04:43:59,511
memorandum. Point number one, the existing Afeline Park concept or

3086
04:43:59,532 --> 04:44:03,411
an amended version, including a two dome solution. We developed

3087
04:44:03,592 --> 04:44:06,291
a two dome solution to address several sporting needs at

3088
04:44:06,392 --> 04:44:10,308
the eight line park. One dome over the proposed courts

3089
04:44:10,489 --> 04:44:14,788
facility and gym facility flooring. And one over the existing

3090
04:44:15,129 --> 04:44:18,708
soccer field with the requirement for TURF acknowledged as part

3091
04:44:18,809 --> 04:44:23,214
of the added expense. We believe that a phase project

3092
04:44:23,254 --> 04:44:25,614
of that nature would be able to be ready to

3093
04:44:25,795 --> 04:44:29,555
meet the application criteria. We have met with town staff

3094
04:44:29,896 --> 04:44:33,043
most recently on June 15. At that time we strongly

3095
04:44:33,064 --> 04:44:36,483
supported staff moving forward with a full application to the

3096
04:44:36,744 --> 04:44:40,483
federal funding program to meet the July 15th deadline date.

3097
04:44:40,794 --> 04:44:45,253
The coalition offered support subject matter expert services, a willingness

3098
04:44:45,293 --> 04:44:48,373
to assist in any way possible to advance the two

3099
04:44:48,394 --> 04:44:51,093
DOM solution and to not miss the window under the

3100
04:44:51,354 --> 04:44:56,041
building community strong fund. The EOI on the agenda tonight

3101
04:44:56,081 --> 04:45:00,539
is the same concept approved by Council in 2024. And

3102
04:45:00,640 --> 04:45:05,739
while providing needed indoor hardcourt opportunities, it still falls short

3103
04:45:05,760 --> 04:45:08,599
in terms of satisfying many more unmet needs in the

3104
04:45:08,640 --> 04:45:12,383
community. It is also not clear what the outcome may

3105
04:45:12,404 --> 04:45:16,223
be within EOI. Is there another round of funding available.

3106
04:45:17,055 --> 04:45:20,954
The eighth line part project recommends moving and redeveloping the

3107
04:45:21,295 --> 04:45:26,234
existing soccer pitch, which will provide no net new capacity.

3108
04:45:26,234 --> 04:45:29,034
The two DOM solution we propose would address many more

3109
04:45:29,055 --> 04:45:32,224
needs. Stuff led us to believe there are constraints to

3110
04:45:32,325 --> 04:45:35,584
amending the eighth line park design to meet the criteria

3111
04:45:35,925 --> 04:45:39,273
that would include the two DOM solution. We would argue

3112
04:45:39,313 --> 04:45:43,829
that while challenging, it does not appear impossible. We provided

3113
04:45:43,869 --> 04:45:49,589
some suggested solutions that included FACE tendering, giving, given the

3114
04:45:50,010 --> 04:45:54,309
municipal election later this fall. Reassessing the potential impact on

3115
04:45:54,349 --> 04:45:59,589
the Gellert community centre. It's planned expansion location appears to

3116
04:45:59,589 --> 04:46:03,909
be east and somewhat south of the existing soccer field.

3117
04:46:03,909 --> 04:46:07,109
We're not sure how that would be impacted. And also

3118
04:46:07,130 --> 04:46:11,029
in relation to funding confirmation for the community centre expansion.

3119
04:46:11,549 --> 04:46:16,088
We offer fundraising support Council is aware that pickleball has

3120
04:46:16,088 --> 04:46:19,848
already made a commitment and the potential for additional funds

3121
04:46:19,888 --> 04:46:23,668
to address additional costs that could include turf and the

3122
04:46:23,668 --> 04:46:27,673
grade beam at some future date. We talked about temporary

3123
04:46:27,854 --> 04:46:30,953
washrooms for a seasonal dome. We're aware that that happens

3124
04:46:30,974 --> 04:46:35,033
in other locations. And we also thought the second dome

3125
04:46:35,073 --> 04:46:38,473
in terms of consultation in the neighbourhood would really not

3126
04:46:38,513 --> 04:46:41,113
have a lot of visual impact A at seasonal and

3127
04:46:41,113 --> 04:46:44,873
nature and B it would be protected by existing vegetation

3128
04:46:45,454 --> 04:46:49,673
in the eighth line, uh, Birming. A domatrophalgar sports park,

3129
04:46:49,673 --> 04:46:53,353
which is an option and also likely needed requires additional

3130
04:46:53,374 --> 04:46:57,353
servicing, including natural gas, which we understand is not currently

3131
04:46:57,534 --> 04:47:01,433
provided to that location. Putting the potential to accelerate that

3132
04:47:01,454 --> 04:47:06,153
project further away in terms of timing. Point number two,

3133
04:47:06,153 --> 04:47:08,633
an expression of interest versus a full application to the

3134
04:47:08,894 --> 04:47:12,873
building community strong fund. It raises questions on project readiness.

3135
04:47:13,768 --> 04:47:15,987
If staff felt that most of the criteria for a

3136
04:47:16,027 --> 04:47:20,067
full application submission could be met, the outstanding question is

3137
04:47:20,107 --> 04:47:23,427
whether the town is prepared to make a financial commitment

3138
04:47:23,768 --> 04:47:27,827
to any project advanced under the federal program. And if

3139
04:47:27,928 --> 04:47:32,227
a provincial program is also announced with the municipality being

3140
04:47:32,267 --> 04:47:35,667
a position to leverage funding. And if so, in what

3141
04:47:35,707 --> 04:47:39,483
time frame. What is the potential outcome by submitting an

3142
04:47:39,523 --> 04:47:42,043
EOI at this time? What if there is not a

3143
04:47:42,064 --> 04:47:46,289
second round of funding. We acknowledge the importance of all

3144
04:47:46,310 --> 04:47:49,489
of the projects that have been identified as priorities, including

3145
04:47:49,489 --> 04:47:53,249
the act and indoor pool and the Gellert community centre,

3146
04:47:53,249 --> 04:47:56,769
all requiring a financial commitment from Council. However, we support

3147
04:47:56,870 --> 04:47:59,729
the eight line park in full or in a phased

3148
04:47:59,729 --> 04:48:02,930
approach as the most shovel - ready project. We can

3149
04:48:02,970 --> 04:48:07,250
conclude by continuing to support all opportunities to expand indoor

3150
04:48:07,290 --> 04:48:10,930
facilities for sport and recreation going forward and encourage the

3151
04:48:11,031 --> 04:48:15,090
town to make ongoing investment as needed, particularly to leverage

3152
04:48:15,111 --> 04:48:18,868
funding from other levels of government. Thank you very much.

3153
04:48:19,463 --> 04:48:22,082
Thank you. You just a couple of seconds over the

3154
04:48:22,263 --> 04:48:26,701
five - minute period. Good job. Uh, we do have

3155
04:48:26,722 --> 04:48:33,602
some questions. Um, from councillors, um, Council Bryce. Ms. Thank

3156
04:48:33,602 --> 04:48:38,082
you, Chair O'Bennel. Thank you, Jennifer, for your delegation and

3157
04:48:38,122 --> 04:48:41,602
your patients. And I do have a couple of questions.

3158
04:48:41,602 --> 04:48:44,642
And the first, Jennifer would be, you, you touched on

3159
04:48:44,903 --> 04:48:49,362
it briefly. And, um, about, excuse me, about picking book

3160
04:48:49,402 --> 04:48:54,162
pickleballs, uh, commitment to helping fund this. And the possibility

3161
04:48:54,202 --> 04:48:56,562
of the coalition doing the same. Can you give us

3162
04:48:56,583 --> 04:49:00,002
an idea of, uh, the level of commitment of the

3163
04:49:00,183 --> 04:49:03,602
coalition and what dollars they could potentially bring to the

3164
04:49:03,602 --> 04:49:06,322
table or is it too early to, uh, to tell

3165
04:49:06,322 --> 04:49:08,642
us that? Uh, count it through you, Mr. Chair to

3166
04:49:08,682 --> 04:49:11,282
Council Brass. I think it's too early on behalf of

3167
04:49:11,282 --> 04:49:14,562
the coalition because we talked about it and we talked

3168
04:49:14,602 --> 04:49:17,522
about the idea, which is why we all came together

3169
04:49:17,943 --> 04:49:22,542
of working collectively with some kind of fundraising target. Uh,

3170
04:49:22,663 --> 04:49:25,362
you know that Halton Hall's pickleball association has made a

3171
04:49:25,362 --> 04:49:30,362
commitment of 250, 000 dollars We stand by that. We

3172
04:49:30,503 --> 04:49:35,762
could potentially commit more depending on circumstances. I do know

3173
04:49:36,183 --> 04:49:39,522
on behalf of the Georgetown soccer club that their fundraising

3174
04:49:39,522 --> 04:49:42,402
is likely going to be directed to their more immediate

3175
04:49:42,402 --> 04:49:45,762
project, which is, I think working, uh, with the potential

3176
04:49:45,783 --> 04:49:48,962
for the hide house project. That was my last communication

3177
04:49:49,002 --> 04:49:53,042
with them, uh, but clearly talking to flag football and

3178
04:49:53,063 --> 04:49:57,202
football, uh, and bad menton. There's an interest. We don't

3179
04:49:57,242 --> 04:50:01,202
have a number, uh, Councillor Brass, but, uh, and, and

3180
04:50:01,303 --> 04:50:03,442
to be honest, we don't really have a pro checked

3181
04:50:03,442 --> 04:50:06,242
yet. So it's, it would be difficult to rally everybody

3182
04:50:06,282 --> 04:50:12,189
around, uh, on that particular point. Right. Okay. I know

3183
04:50:12,530 --> 04:50:14,429
that's early days in that. So thank you, but I'm

3184
04:50:14,429 --> 04:50:16,829
glad to hear that the level of interest there for,

3185
04:50:16,869 --> 04:50:19,869
for fundraising. That's great. Uh, thank you, Chair. That's it

3186
04:50:19,869 --> 04:50:21,709
for now. But I will have some comments when the

3187
04:50:21,709 --> 04:50:24,501
report comes forward, please. All right. Thank you very much

3188
04:50:24,922 --> 04:50:32,493
Council Brass. Anyone else. So, um, without the, no objections

3189
04:50:32,594 --> 04:50:37,933
and we'll bring that item up, which is CSE 2026

3190
04:50:38,274 --> 04:50:43,760
010. That's a memorandum. It's okay. All right. So my

3191
04:50:43,781 --> 04:50:46,876
random is on the floor. Any discussion on the memorandum.

3192
04:50:48,798 --> 04:50:55,415
Council Bras. Thank you, Chair Obano. Uh, I do, uh,

3193
04:50:55,415 --> 04:50:59,626
actually after having many discussions with staff. And Ms. Reynolds

3194
04:51:00,287 --> 04:51:03,291
and other sports groups. And the pros and cons and

3195
04:51:03,291 --> 04:51:08,371
the complexities of options and the difficulties around, some of

3196
04:51:08,371 --> 04:51:12,273
them. Uh, you know, one thing is certain though, is

3197
04:51:12,273 --> 04:51:16,482
that opportunity is knocking here. And, uh, the federal government

3198
04:51:16,482 --> 04:51:20,642
seems to be, um, willing to dole out some dollars.

3199
04:51:20,642 --> 04:51:23,886
And, uh, I would hate to lose that opportunity. For

3200
04:51:23,987 --> 04:51:27,690
either a one dome or a two dorm solution. And

3201
04:51:27,791 --> 04:51:31,050
also being cognizant of some provincial program that's yet to

3202
04:51:31,050 --> 04:51:35,690
be identified that we don't have the parameters of yet,

3203
04:51:35,690 --> 04:51:37,690
but perhaps would be able to piggyback on this project

3204
04:51:37,791 --> 04:51:42,682
as well. And, uh, given that the coalition is looking

3205
04:51:42,703 --> 04:51:47,882
to fundraise and maybe get creative, uh, coupled with potentially

3206
04:51:48,063 --> 04:51:51,918
a fundraising group or some sponsorship opportunities. Uh, I would

3207
04:51:51,918 --> 04:51:55,758
like to put amendment on the floor to amend a

3208
04:51:55,758 --> 04:51:59,601
report. To direct staff to look at a two dome

3209
04:51:59,601 --> 04:52:06,694
solution. And potentially schedule a special counsel meeting in advance.

3210
04:52:08,105 --> 04:52:13,204
To look at the finances should the federal government find

3211
04:52:13,244 --> 04:52:17,843
the EOI acceptable or to have interest in it. So

3212
04:52:17,843 --> 04:52:19,523
that we have something scheduled and be ready to go

3213
04:52:19,864 --> 04:52:25,101
and answer that very tough question on the funding. And

3214
04:52:25,202 --> 04:52:27,341
maybe some other things would come to light by then.

3215
04:52:27,341 --> 04:52:29,860
So. I'll put that on the floor to amend the

3216
04:52:29,900 --> 04:52:33,457
report to include a two DOM solution. And to pre

3217
04:52:33,497 --> 04:52:35,857
- schedule a special counsel meeting to review the finances.

3218
04:52:39,774 --> 04:52:42,793
Thank you, Councillor Brass. So we have an amendment on

3219
04:52:43,854 --> 04:52:53,817
the memorandum. So

3220
04:52:53,838 --> 04:52:57,417
the memorandum stays at SOB directions to staff to look

3221
04:52:57,417 --> 04:53:04,045
at that two dome solution. Thank you for the correction

3222
04:53:04,706 --> 04:53:07,846
chair al - Bannel. That's fine with me. All right.

3223
04:53:07,846 --> 04:53:12,886
So, um, we do have an amendment and a direction

3224
04:53:12,926 --> 04:53:19,083
for staff. And I will vote on the amendment. Oh,

3225
04:53:19,123 --> 04:53:24,236
sorry. Well, no, I, I think my question was answered

3226
04:53:24,497 --> 04:53:28,216
because I was going to ask, um, whether or not

3227
04:53:28,897 --> 04:53:34,636
the proposal changes the memorandum. And I'm gathering it doesn't.

3228
04:53:35,333 --> 04:53:40,778
That we would still submit the expression of interest. And

3229
04:53:40,818 --> 04:53:44,618
should the federal government come back and say, yes, tell

3230
04:53:44,639 --> 04:53:48,157
us more. Than there would be a direction to staff

3231
04:53:50,498 --> 04:53:54,877
to look at the potential for a two dome solution.

3232
04:53:55,218 --> 04:54:00,932
No. Oh, okay. So I need more than, yes. Mr.

3233
04:54:00,972 --> 04:54:05,412
Mills. Thank you, Chair and Councillor Brass. If I get

3234
04:54:05,433 --> 04:54:08,212
this wrong, please correct me, but my understanding is the

3235
04:54:08,252 --> 04:54:12,852
direction would, uh, pertain to the submission of the EOI

3236
04:54:13,113 --> 04:54:15,972
and that the EOI would be modified to include a

3237
04:54:16,012 --> 04:54:20,030
two dome solution. And then if the federal government comes

3238
04:54:20,070 --> 04:54:23,870
back positively on that, uh, with us, then we would

3239
04:54:23,971 --> 04:54:28,430
schedule prior to, um, the last date in August that

3240
04:54:28,430 --> 04:54:30,910
we can schedule Council meetings, uh, to come back with

3241
04:54:31,491 --> 04:54:35,070
financing options for council is consideration. Is that, did I

3242
04:54:35,070 --> 04:54:38,492
get that correct. Through the chair that is bang on,

3243
04:54:38,492 --> 04:54:41,932
although I would add that perhaps scheduling a special county

3244
04:54:41,972 --> 04:54:43,772
meeting now would be of interest that we could always

3245
04:54:43,873 --> 04:54:49,361
cancel if we don't need. Thank you. All right. We're

3246
04:54:49,401 --> 04:54:56,027
all clear then. Oh, Coach Kimball. Just a general comment

3247
04:54:56,048 --> 04:54:59,467
here. I'm not sure exactly what details are on the

3248
04:54:59,467 --> 04:55:01,707
table here, but I think in general, it's a prudent

3249
04:55:01,747 --> 04:55:06,118
step. An expression of interest costs as little commits as

3250
04:55:06,118 --> 04:55:08,598
to nothing and keeps Halton Hills in a running for

3251
04:55:08,779 --> 04:55:12,278
substantial federal funding. We should always be pursuing opportunities to

3252
04:55:12,299 --> 04:55:16,198
bring outside dollars into our community and reduce the burden

3253
04:55:16,219 --> 04:55:25,069
on local taxpayers. There, Lawler. I guess my question to

3254
04:55:25,490 --> 04:55:32,397
staff is given the deadline. Is it possible to change

3255
04:55:32,658 --> 04:55:39,261
the EOI as it's currently constituted. Is there time to

3256
04:55:40,082 --> 04:55:45,266
make this, um, two DOM solution. Um, as part of

3257
04:55:45,266 --> 04:55:49,387
the proposal. That it would be needed to be done

3258
04:55:49,408 --> 04:55:52,473
in a day. So can you fill us in on

3259
04:55:52,473 --> 04:55:55,752
that a little bit. So through the chair to the

3260
04:55:55,792 --> 04:55:59,352
mayor, there is no deadline on the expression of interest.

3261
04:55:59,352 --> 04:56:02,072
The deadline only pertains to a full application. And that

3262
04:56:02,072 --> 04:56:07,192
was July 15th. I see. Okay. And so we don't

3263
04:56:07,192 --> 04:56:12,005
really have a submission date necessarily on the EOI. Through

3264
04:56:12,005 --> 04:56:14,901
the chair to the mayor, that's correct. All right. Sure.

3265
04:56:15,162 --> 04:56:20,711
Thank you. All right. So we have Councillor Bras. Thank

3266
04:56:20,751 --> 04:56:24,383
you, Chair Obano. I'll further to that, Heather. Can you

3267
04:56:24,484 --> 04:56:27,823
give us an idea of the soonest date that we

3268
04:56:27,823 --> 04:56:31,563
could submit that EOI with the amended judome solution. And

3269
04:56:31,603 --> 04:56:32,923
do you want me to put that date in the

3270
04:56:32,963 --> 04:56:36,715
direction to staff. The sooner we get that in, the

3271
04:56:36,715 --> 04:56:41,650
better, obviously. So through the chair to the Councillor, staff

3272
04:56:41,751 --> 04:56:45,330
would be working on modifying the costing and just modifying

3273
04:56:45,511 --> 04:56:48,930
the actual proposal to show the demand for the two

3274
04:56:49,111 --> 04:56:54,370
DOM solution. Um, so, but a two to three week

3275
04:56:54,410 --> 04:57:03,876
turnaround. Yeah. Is what it is. Okay. Thank you.

3276
04:57:06,482 --> 04:57:09,334
Okay. Are there any other questions. So we have the

3277
04:57:09,355 --> 04:57:11,974
amendment on the floor. We need to vote on that.

3278
04:57:11,974 --> 04:57:17,334
And then we'll receive the memory. Oh, a direction of

3279
04:57:17,334 --> 04:57:21,386
staff. So all in favor. You have one more question.

3280
04:57:21,386 --> 04:57:23,773
Yes. Thank you, Chair about it. I just want to

3281
04:57:23,773 --> 04:57:26,773
make sure to include that we schedule a special counsel

3282
04:57:26,813 --> 04:57:31,654
meeting in advance. Okay. So all in favor, not amendment.

3283
04:57:33,220 --> 04:57:39,582
Direct. Car. And then, um, to receive the memorandum. All

3284
04:57:39,582 --> 04:57:47,473
in favor. Uh, hands up again. Okay. Carrie. Thank you.

3285
04:57:53,281 --> 04:57:57,740
All right. Uh, and then item H is the other,

3286
04:57:57,740 --> 04:58:01,660
um, uh, the delegation and it's regarding the exceptionary request

3287
04:58:01,660 --> 04:58:08,816
from the noise by law. Uh, at

3288
04:58:09,397 --> 04:58:16,096
13434, 20 second side road. And it's an item report

3289
04:58:16,197 --> 04:58:24,079
number admin 2026 024. H.

3290
04:58:30,293 --> 04:58:38,646
The report is B 92B. A Zimbob.

3291
04:58:42,227 --> 04:58:43,246
9 to be.

3292
04:58:52,921 --> 04:58:55,620
Oh, have you got the report now? Okay. All right.

3293
04:58:56,041 --> 04:59:02,020
So, um, uh, just me del Wally. She's online. She'll

3294
04:59:02,020 --> 04:59:10,146
be making a presentation regarding this item. Just meet if

3295
04:59:10,146 --> 04:59:13,878
you're online. Can you hear us? I can hear you,

3296
04:59:13,878 --> 04:59:16,118
Chair. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Go ahead.

3297
04:59:16,118 --> 04:59:18,332
Proceed. You have five minutes. Okay. Thank you so much

3298
04:59:18,353 --> 04:59:22,652
for that. We have an engagement party on August 15th

3299
04:59:22,753 --> 04:59:25,772
starting at 6 p. m. And we filled out this

3300
04:59:25,812 --> 04:59:30,092
application because we believe it might go over time until

3301
04:59:30,593 --> 04:59:34,893
1231 a. m. It is a party of 100 people.

3302
04:59:35,878 --> 04:59:38,497
And since it's quite a bit of people, it's too

3303
04:59:38,537 --> 04:59:41,297
much for our house. So we plan to put a

3304
04:59:41,337 --> 04:59:45,697
tent outside. We have hired a DJ to host the

3305
04:59:45,798 --> 04:59:50,363
event and he will be bringing two speakers. And they

3306
04:59:50,363 --> 04:59:54,123
will be facing our neighbour and we have already talked

3307
04:59:54,144 --> 04:59:58,314
to him. And he has no issue with it, but

3308
04:59:58,314 --> 05:00:01,134
just to be on the safe side, we have built

3309
05:00:01,174 --> 05:00:06,174
out this application. There will also be a dance floor

3310
05:00:06,595 --> 05:00:14,135
installed. And the party will end at 1. 8. That

3311
05:00:14,135 --> 05:00:17,460
is it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Are there

3312
05:00:17,460 --> 05:00:23,497
any questions for just me. Council Somerville. Yes, thank you.

3313
05:00:24,718 --> 05:00:26,857
It's to the delegation. Thank you for being here tonight.

3314
05:00:27,605 --> 05:00:30,464
And for waiting out a very long meeting for all

3315
05:00:30,504 --> 05:00:33,926
of us. But, um, it's just a concern I have

3316
05:00:34,747 --> 05:00:37,046
as one of the councillors for the areas. We've been

3317
05:00:37,046 --> 05:00:41,446
consistent on the time of allowing it till 11 p.

3318
05:00:41,446 --> 05:00:45,883
m. on a lot of other applications. And I'm just

3319
05:00:45,984 --> 05:00:48,603
wondering if that would be satisfactory to you if we

3320
05:00:48,643 --> 05:00:56,674
did allow that, um, the, um, 211 p. m. Is

3321
05:00:56,714 --> 05:01:00,594
it possible to push it by one hour? We can

3322
05:01:00,634 --> 05:01:05,396
do 12, we can send everyone home at midnight. With

3323
05:01:05,436 --> 05:01:10,955
1 a. m. to a lady. In my mind. And

3324
05:01:10,955 --> 05:01:13,695
if you're a neighbour getting the noise, they would even

3325
05:01:13,716 --> 05:01:18,135
say that midnight is a bit late, um, no, I

3326
05:01:18,135 --> 05:01:21,935
just wondered if, uh, the flexibility of that on, on

3327
05:01:22,036 --> 05:01:24,095
your end, because I know you're straight as a very

3328
05:01:24,196 --> 05:01:27,935
private street where you're located down on the private part

3329
05:01:27,935 --> 05:01:30,175
of 22nd side road. That's why I wanted to find

3330
05:01:30,676 --> 05:01:34,819
out. Yes. And before we decided on hosting this party,

3331
05:01:34,819 --> 05:01:37,619
we did talk to our neighbours and they so far

3332
05:01:37,619 --> 05:01:41,539
have shown no concern. But just to cover everything and

3333
05:01:41,579 --> 05:01:44,419
make sure there is no complaint in the future, that

3334
05:01:44,419 --> 05:01:47,589
is why we filled out this application. Okay. Thank you.

3335
05:01:47,770 --> 05:01:51,441
And again, thank you for being here tonight. Thank you.

3336
05:01:51,862 --> 05:01:55,521
Thank you Council Sarah. Uh, Councillor Kimball. Uh, thank you

3337
05:01:56,102 --> 05:02:01,281
Mr. Chair. I propose an amendment to, uh, 12 PM

3338
05:02:01,382 --> 05:02:06,319
to midnight. Since that seemed to be agreeable to the

3339
05:02:06,359 --> 05:02:11,889
resident. When we bring the report forward, you can propose

3340
05:02:11,910 --> 05:02:13,809
the amendment. We're right now. We just have a conversation

3341
05:02:13,910 --> 05:02:21,737
with. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Chair. Mayor. Yes. I'd just

3342
05:02:21,737 --> 05:02:25,657
like to confirm, have you talked to all your neighbours.

3343
05:02:27,039 --> 05:02:31,043
About this and did you propose a time. To them.

3344
05:02:32,062 --> 05:02:35,401
We have talked to our next door neighbours because the

3345
05:02:35,422 --> 05:02:38,281
rest of the houses are very, um, a little bit

3346
05:02:38,281 --> 05:02:41,721
more separated. And we have no backdoor neighbours, but we

3347
05:02:41,982 --> 05:02:44,921
were hoping once this application does get approved, we will

3348
05:02:44,921 --> 05:02:48,441
be letting, um, the other four neighbours on the street

3349
05:02:48,782 --> 05:02:50,681
know that we will be throwing a party. But we

3350
05:02:50,721 --> 05:02:53,321
have only talked to our next or neighbours who are

3351
05:02:53,342 --> 05:03:00,622
in close approximately to us. Thank you. Are there any

3352
05:03:00,622 --> 05:03:04,186
other questions. If not, we'll bring thee a report forward

3353
05:03:04,767 --> 05:03:09,173
and we can discuss the report. And the objections to

3354
05:03:09,173 --> 05:03:15,462
that. Council Kimbalm, you had, uh, you had an amendment

3355
05:03:15,462 --> 05:03:19,748
to the, uh, there. That's correct. Go ahead. To move

3356
05:03:19,748 --> 05:03:23,588
the, uh, to, to, to change the, the, um, date

3357
05:03:25,129 --> 05:03:29,117
at the time from one a. m. to midnight. It

3358
05:03:29,117 --> 05:03:37,177
feels like it's been typed right now. Tw amendment. To

3359
05:03:37,177 --> 05:03:46,773
midnight from 1 a. m. Okay.

3360
05:03:46,773 --> 05:03:52,373
So, um, the amendment to change it to, uh, 12

3361
05:03:52,794 --> 05:03:58,007
rather than one o'clock. We'll vote on the amendment. Only

3362
05:03:58,108 --> 05:04:07,340
favor. Okay. And, uh, on the report, only fever. And

3363
05:04:07,380 --> 05:04:07,660
it's carried.

3364
05:04:18,268 --> 05:04:21,767
All right. Uh, we're now back to, um, so all

3365
05:04:21,807 --> 05:04:26,351
the delegations and presentations are being completed. It's complete. I'm

3366
05:04:26,391 --> 05:04:32,926
not going back to report item C. Which is the,

3367
05:04:32,926 --> 05:04:41,012
um, CES 2026. And it's the, uh. Corporate emergency service

3368
05:04:41,033 --> 05:04:46,772
report dated July 13, 2026 regarding distribution and funding 2025

3369
05:04:47,273 --> 05:04:52,253
final operating budget position. I believe the Council Bryce held

3370
05:04:52,514 --> 05:05:00,554
that report. Council Brass. Thank you, uh, chair. I don't

3371
05:05:00,554 --> 05:05:01,794
have it in front of me. Is that the, is

3372
05:05:01,794 --> 05:05:04,154
that the one with the surplus? Cause the hell too.

3373
05:05:04,154 --> 05:05:07,914
Oh, thank you very much. So, uh, through you chair

3374
05:05:08,815 --> 05:05:14,234
to staff, uh, one question, I have several questions. First

3375
05:05:14,274 --> 05:05:21,914
one would be that, uh, very little from savings in

3376
05:05:21,914 --> 05:05:27,014
other departments. And I wondered what corporate revenue was. And

3377
05:05:27,055 --> 05:05:32,234
with that answer, if then one component of corporate revenue,

3378
05:05:32,234 --> 05:05:39,898
what was the breakdown. Through the chair to the Councillor.

3379
05:05:39,898 --> 05:05:44,458
So the primary drivers of, uh, the corporate revenue liner,

3380
05:05:44,458 --> 05:05:50,606
um, penalty and interest revenue. And supplemental tax revenue. Um,

3381
05:05:51,367 --> 05:05:53,986
I don't have the numbers at my fingertips, but if

3382
05:05:54,026 --> 05:05:57,266
I remember correctly penalty and interest is about 800, 000

3383
05:05:57,306 --> 05:06:02,706
of it. And, uh, 300 or so, um, supplementary revenue

3384
05:06:02,807 --> 05:06:09,214
for taxes. Through you, Chair, the treasure. Is the, would

3385
05:06:09,254 --> 05:06:12,014
some of that be the automated camera for the tickets

3386
05:06:12,014 --> 05:06:13,694
that we had? Or is that not included in this?

3387
05:06:14,970 --> 05:06:18,778
That's not included in this number. So other penalties. So

3388
05:06:18,879 --> 05:06:23,712
like on your taxes. So yeah. Okay. And I see

3389
05:06:23,893 --> 05:06:29,952
some of the, um, funds when automatically to library reserve

3390
05:06:29,952 --> 05:06:34,992
fund, et cetera. So some of that, uh, surplus obligatory

3391
05:06:35,653 --> 05:06:39,086
elsewhere. Yeah. Through the Chair to the Councillor. In our

3392
05:06:39,126 --> 05:06:42,766
reserve and reserve fund policy, uh, the library surplus is

3393
05:06:42,867 --> 05:06:48,894
transferred to the library reserve. Great. And through the chair,

3394
05:06:48,894 --> 05:06:52,774
uh, the remaining 1. 1 million. Uh, that, that's being

3395
05:06:52,795 --> 05:06:57,574
recommended to go to the tax stabilization fund. Does it

3396
05:06:57,574 --> 05:07:00,854
need to go to the tax stabilization fund or does

3397
05:07:00,894 --> 05:07:03,654
can Council give direction on that money to go elsewhere?

3398
05:07:06,336 --> 05:07:09,995
Through the chair to the Councillor, I would say meat

3399
05:07:10,016 --> 05:07:14,235
does it have to go there. No. The caveat being,

3400
05:07:14,235 --> 05:07:17,195
um, that's kind of a slippery slope to deviate from

3401
05:07:17,195 --> 05:07:21,815
that. Um, for the reserve and reserve fund policy, uh,

3402
05:07:22,096 --> 05:07:26,155
gives the treasurer discretion to direct that the monies to

3403
05:07:26,195 --> 05:07:30,995
whichever reserve necessary. So based on balance and so on

3404
05:07:30,995 --> 05:07:34,555
and so forth, um, historically deficits have been funded from

3405
05:07:34,595 --> 05:07:37,435
the tax rate stabilization reserves. So it's suiting that we

3406
05:07:37,456 --> 05:07:41,755
would send a surplus to the same place. Um, in

3407
05:07:41,755 --> 05:07:45,835
addition to that Council in the last several meetings has

3408
05:07:45,936 --> 05:07:50,155
approved reports that are going to draw or have the

3409
05:07:50,155 --> 05:07:52,955
potential to rock quite substantially on the tax rate stabilization

3410
05:07:53,056 --> 05:07:56,555
reserve. So, um, we have to be mindful of that

3411
05:07:56,555 --> 05:08:04,715
as well. In addition, our, our reserve financial indicator has

3412
05:08:04,816 --> 05:08:11,499
significantly declined since, uh, 2019. Um, we are on an

3413
05:08:11,499 --> 05:08:13,739
upward trend now, but we're definitely not out of the

3414
05:08:13,779 --> 05:08:17,179
woods and we aren't where we were in 2019 and

3415
05:08:17,200 --> 05:08:19,499
we're far below what the average is for a municipality

3416
05:08:19,539 --> 05:08:21,899
of our size. So I would just caution that if

3417
05:08:21,899 --> 05:08:24,379
that is the will of council, uh, it may not

3418
05:08:24,400 --> 05:08:28,275
be in the best financial interest of the town. Through

3419
05:08:28,275 --> 05:08:31,635
the chair to the treasurer, I'm not suggesting that's the

3420
05:08:31,675 --> 05:08:34,755
will of Council. Just trying to understand the mechanisms and

3421
05:08:34,856 --> 05:08:39,187
the liberty that Council has on this money. And so

3422
05:08:39,288 --> 05:08:44,767
having said that, uh, if Council has some discretion, for

3423
05:08:44,767 --> 05:08:47,827
example, not the will of Council, but for example, could

3424
05:08:47,848 --> 05:08:54,127
Council direct this surplus to, if our EOI was, uh,

3425
05:08:56,168 --> 05:08:59,107
accepted or if the federal government says, great, put a

3426
05:08:59,147 --> 05:09:02,472
plan in quickly what your funding source. Could somewhere all

3427
05:09:02,512 --> 05:09:05,592
of this money be directed to, to help fund that

3428
05:09:05,693 --> 05:09:10,848
UI. Through the chair to the Councillor, uh, yes, I

3429
05:09:11,069 --> 05:09:14,008
would, my recommendation would be to leave it as is,

3430
05:09:14,008 --> 05:09:17,768
send it the tax rate stabilization reserve in the future.

3431
05:09:17,768 --> 05:09:22,408
If we have to make funding decisions, um, if Council

3432
05:09:22,448 --> 05:09:25,048
decided to use some of the tax rate stabilization to

3433
05:09:25,149 --> 05:09:29,608
reserve to fund that project, that could be a recommendation

3434
05:09:29,608 --> 05:09:34,101
of Council. PON. One final question chair to the treasure.

3435
05:09:34,101 --> 05:09:36,261
And maybe the CIO. If we're going to schedule a

3436
05:09:36,301 --> 05:09:40,021
special counsel meeting in anticipation of a positive reply by

3437
05:09:40,061 --> 05:09:43,301
the feds, what it makes sense to hold off on

3438
05:09:43,482 --> 05:09:47,941
this decision until that meeting in case it needs to

3439
05:09:47,941 --> 05:09:52,449
be part of the funding conversation. I know you said

3440
05:09:52,449 --> 05:09:54,529
we could take it from that fun, but that's another

3441
05:09:54,870 --> 05:09:59,898
step we would maybe we could avoid. Threw it. Through

3442
05:09:59,938 --> 05:10:03,029
the chair to the Councillor. Not really because it holds

3443
05:10:03,069 --> 05:10:05,629
up the whole entire year end of the municipality. So

3444
05:10:05,629 --> 05:10:09,269
this is the distribution of the surplus. So until these

3445
05:10:09,290 --> 05:10:14,549
entries are made, we can't close the 2025 fiscal year.

3446
05:10:14,549 --> 05:10:17,829
So our audit is done. You've approved our financial statements.

3447
05:10:17,829 --> 05:10:21,749
Um, this money has to go somewhere. So you have

3448
05:10:21,749 --> 05:10:24,149
to send it to reserves if you're not allocating it

3449
05:10:24,189 --> 05:10:28,869
to a project at this point. So Council would also

3450
05:10:28,869 --> 05:10:31,109
have to make the decision to spend it. So I

3451
05:10:31,109 --> 05:10:33,489
think you're safe to send it to the reserve. And

3452
05:10:33,489 --> 05:10:34,949
in the future, that money is going to be there

3453
05:10:35,770 --> 05:10:43,044
and less count as otherwise spent that money. Okay. Through

3454
05:10:43,044 --> 05:10:48,150
the chair. Mr. Mills. Yep. Yeah. Thank you. And through

3455
05:10:48,150 --> 05:10:50,550
the chair to the council, just building on our treasurer's

3456
05:10:50,550 --> 05:10:52,950
comments. I think what we have to realise is the

3457
05:10:52,990 --> 05:10:56,230
overall funding strategy, if we were successful, uh, to move

3458
05:10:56,270 --> 05:10:59,190
on to the full application for the eighth line park

3459
05:10:59,291 --> 05:11:01,350
and the two dome solution would be significantly more than

3460
05:11:01,390 --> 05:11:04,390
the amount we're putting into the tax rate stabilization through

3461
05:11:04,491 --> 05:11:07,750
this report. So it'll be a multiple. There'll be lots

3462
05:11:07,750 --> 05:11:10,310
of components that, uh, our treasure will have to put

3463
05:11:10,350 --> 05:11:12,950
together in order to get to what our overall funding

3464
05:11:12,990 --> 05:11:16,950
commitment would be, which would be the entire amount of

3465
05:11:17,371 --> 05:11:22,050
the project minus what the federal contribution would be. Um,

3466
05:11:22,171 --> 05:11:25,030
notwithstanding the fact that we know that there could be

3467
05:11:25,531 --> 05:11:29,590
or likely is external monies from the sports groups available.

3468
05:11:29,590 --> 05:11:32,070
We would have to show the government as part of

3469
05:11:32,070 --> 05:11:36,230
the application that we're backstopping the entire amount until the

3470
05:11:36,230 --> 05:11:39,350
agreements with those, uh, with those entities as to the

3471
05:11:39,390 --> 05:11:42,870
funding. So when you look at the overall project, um,

3472
05:11:43,131 --> 05:11:47,810
the funding strategy would at least an approval stage, uh,

3473
05:11:47,810 --> 05:11:50,950
for the application would need to be our, the town's

3474
05:11:51,051 --> 05:11:53,590
hundred percent. So it could be part of the tax

3475
05:11:53,590 --> 05:11:57,110
rate stabilization, but there may be other elements as our

3476
05:11:57,131 --> 05:12:00,390
treasurer and his team go through the financing options that

3477
05:12:00,390 --> 05:12:04,150
he may lay out for Council. And just to reiterate

3478
05:12:04,891 --> 05:12:07,910
what Joey said, by putting it in tax rate stabilization

3479
05:12:07,931 --> 05:12:11,030
now, it does not preclude the removal of tax of

3480
05:12:11,030 --> 05:12:13,430
it from tax rate stabilization in the future. So you're

3481
05:12:13,430 --> 05:12:18,952
not, you're not precluding. You're not precluding that action by

3482
05:12:19,213 --> 05:12:25,326
approving this report today. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3483
05:12:25,326 --> 05:12:28,194
That fully satisfies my questions. Thank you. Thank you, Council

3484
05:12:28,375 --> 05:12:33,584
Bryce. Uh, we have two other speakers. Councillor Kimball. Thank

3485
05:12:33,624 --> 05:12:37,904
you, Mr. Chair. I think this is sound fiscal management.

3486
05:12:37,904 --> 05:12:41,504
One time surpluses should strengthen our reserves, not fund, ongoing

3487
05:12:41,544 --> 05:12:46,304
spending. Building the tax rate stabilization reserve helps protect taxpayers

3488
05:12:47,045 --> 05:12:52,612
and improves the towns long - term financial resilience. Thank

3489
05:12:52,612 --> 05:12:56,292
you, Council Count. And, uh, and Councillor Keena had a

3490
05:12:56,292 --> 05:12:59,012
question. Thank you, Chair. And following on the same theme,

3491
05:12:59,012 --> 05:13:01,252
just so we know we're talking about here. Um, what

3492
05:13:01,433 --> 05:13:04,692
are the actual numbers? What's in the tax rate stabilization

3493
05:13:04,793 --> 05:13:09,051
fund now. Uh, and you said it's below where you

3494
05:13:09,091 --> 05:13:12,491
would recommend we should be for a municipality of our

3495
05:13:12,592 --> 05:13:15,611
size. And what would that number look like, I don't

3496
05:13:15,611 --> 05:13:21,470
mind. Through the chair to the Councillor. It's just over

3497
05:13:21,571 --> 05:13:25,790
10 million, uh, right now. And, uh, it should be

3498
05:13:26,211 --> 05:13:28,910
in the area of, uh, 10 to 20 percent of

3499
05:13:29,731 --> 05:13:34,270
our annual budget. So yeah, so about 15 to 20

3500
05:13:34,310 --> 05:13:40,920
million. That's very helpful. Thank you. All right. Are there

3501
05:13:40,920 --> 05:13:43,550
any other questions. There are none. The reports on the

3502
05:13:43,550 --> 05:13:46,209
table. We need a move or two. So moved by

3503
05:13:46,230 --> 05:13:49,034
Councillor Bryce holy in favor. Carried.

3504
05:14:23,820 --> 05:14:27,069
All right. We have two more items. One on this

3505
05:14:27,170 --> 05:14:31,692
area. And then one on the consent item. Council Keane,

3506
05:14:31,692 --> 05:14:39,287
you held F report F. Thank you, Chair. I did.

3507
05:14:39,287 --> 05:14:42,054
This is the Green asset management report. I want to

3508
05:14:42,054 --> 05:14:45,654
some clarification on this. If you don't mind straight to

3509
05:14:45,654 --> 05:14:50,446
the commissioners of Walski. My memory serves me correctly. When

3510
05:14:50,446 --> 05:14:54,446
we originally were presented with this report, our memo, whatever

3511
05:14:54,486 --> 05:14:58,206
it was, uh, for approval or acceptance a few months

3512
05:14:58,206 --> 05:15:01,566
ago, there was a pretty clear statement made at that

3513
05:15:01,566 --> 05:15:05,458
time. And I consulted with other Councillors who seemed to

3514
05:15:05,458 --> 05:15:07,698
recall the same thing. We were told that there was

3515
05:15:07,698 --> 05:15:10,898
absolutely no financial implications to what we were proving at

3516
05:15:10,938 --> 05:15:15,308
that time. Is that correct? Was that what we were

3517
05:15:15,348 --> 05:15:18,551
told. Through the Chair of the Council? I've already called

3518
05:15:18,591 --> 05:15:21,031
Collecting at the time Council just received a status update

3519
05:15:21,031 --> 05:15:24,151
on the report on the project. And today you're receiving

3520
05:15:24,652 --> 05:15:28,471
the actual report for seeking council's in principle approval of

3521
05:15:28,471 --> 05:15:31,271
the report. And there is no financial implications today also.

3522
05:15:33,598 --> 05:15:36,777
Okay. So maybe I'm misreading it because I don't recall

3523
05:15:36,798 --> 05:15:39,788
seeing this in the original. Sort of status report or

3524
05:15:39,788 --> 05:15:42,828
whatever it was that we approved originally where it's pretty

3525
05:15:42,828 --> 05:15:48,055
clear recommendation that we endorse scenario two. So - called

3526
05:15:48,156 --> 05:15:52,887
sustained scenario. Which will very clearly, it says right here,

3527
05:15:52,887 --> 05:15:56,567
Scenario 2 would require an additional investment of about 800,

3528
05:15:56,588 --> 05:16:02,516
000 dollars annually. Recognises Halloween's financial position. A lot of

3529
05:16:02,516 --> 05:16:05,336
current cancer view prior to the Affordable Actional Effective Approach.

3530
05:16:05,336 --> 05:16:07,576
Arguably the Council Direct staff to develop a tenure implementation

3531
05:16:07,677 --> 05:16:13,779
plan. So that's 10 times 800, 000. Eventually, right? Um,

3532
05:16:14,040 --> 05:16:16,419
and the report to Council later date, an interim to

3533
05:16:16,419 --> 05:16:18,739
maintain momentum and infusible actions will be considered as part

3534
05:16:18,920 --> 05:16:23,779
of the 2027 budget as appropriate. That concerns me. That

3535
05:16:23,779 --> 05:16:28,037
sounds like there ask. For the 2027 budget. In and

3536
05:16:28,077 --> 05:16:31,917
around the 800, 000 dollar level. Am I wrong to.

3537
05:16:32,917 --> 05:16:36,096
Have my radar up on that one? 33, I changed

3538
05:16:36,096 --> 05:16:38,176
that Councillor. No, excellent question. So no, I do not

3539
05:16:38,197 --> 05:16:41,136
anticipate that Council will CN - 800, asking the budget

3540
05:16:41,717 --> 05:16:43,856
What we are doing with Townstaff is looking for any

3541
05:16:43,957 --> 05:16:47,536
opportunities through other efficiencies or allocation of resources where we

3542
05:16:47,536 --> 05:16:50,496
can continue to advance the plan. If it's approved by

3543
05:16:50,536 --> 05:16:53,936
Councilman Principal today, why are we developed a 10 year

3544
05:16:53,936 --> 05:16:56,816
plan for that scenario too that would come back to

3545
05:16:56,837 --> 05:16:59,696
Council with recommendations about how to implement that 10 year

3546
05:16:59,696 --> 05:17:02,256
plan? So no, I do not foresee at 800, 000

3547
05:17:02,277 --> 05:17:06,188
dollar ask for 2027. I'd feel a lot more comfortable

3548
05:17:06,289 --> 05:17:08,776
with that number was removed from this report then. If

3549
05:17:08,776 --> 05:17:10,856
that's okay. I think it's very specific. And I can

3550
05:17:10,856 --> 05:17:14,616
see things changing when the budget comes to us with

3551
05:17:15,917 --> 05:17:20,211
a new Council. Which will be dealing with. Also just

3552
05:17:21,192 --> 05:17:30,479
for. Additional commentary. Scenario 2 sustained. Seems to me translates

3553
05:17:30,479 --> 05:17:32,859
into people. We'll just continue with the status quo. And

3554
05:17:32,900 --> 05:17:34,639
if that's the case, how come we're looking at an

3555
05:17:34,679 --> 05:17:37,519
additional almost millions of dollars if we're not changing anything.

3556
05:17:37,519 --> 05:17:38,894
If we're just doing what we're doing already. Which is

3557
05:17:38,934 --> 05:17:41,362
scenario too. I just don't see what this eat in

3558
05:17:41,362 --> 05:17:42,562
a thousand dollars is coming from and I don't like

3559
05:17:42,562 --> 05:17:49,090
it, frankly. Thank you for the question again. Councillor, if

3560
05:17:49,090 --> 05:17:50,970
I may, I'll ask Catherine to come up and maybe

3561
05:17:50,991 --> 05:17:54,010
explain what the differences between scenario one and scenario two,

3562
05:17:54,010 --> 05:17:56,490
because they are different and require different, uh, different actions.

3563
05:18:00,330 --> 05:18:04,949
Thank you. Um, through the chair to the Councillor. Thank

3564
05:18:04,949 --> 05:18:08,869
you for the question. So first scenario too, um, those

3565
05:18:08,890 --> 05:18:14,149
are management activities that are required to maintain levels of

3566
05:18:14,250 --> 05:18:18,069
service over the next 10 years and asset condition over

3567
05:18:18,090 --> 05:18:22,709
the next 10 years. Um, in the face of threats,

3568
05:18:22,709 --> 05:18:27,989
um, like environmental change, so invasive species, um, storm events

3569
05:18:28,570 --> 05:18:32,949
as well as growth. Um, so there are some improvements

3570
05:18:32,989 --> 05:18:36,549
that would be seen under scenario too. Um, but it's

3571
05:18:36,589 --> 05:18:41,349
mostly that it's the 800, 000 is the average annual

3572
05:18:42,090 --> 05:18:50,629
funding gap over the 10 years. Um, various management actions

3573
05:18:50,810 --> 05:18:57,669
to address things like risk, um, and growth. And the,

3574
05:18:57,709 --> 05:19:03,109
the GMP, like the plan itself, um, does include financial

3575
05:19:03,690 --> 05:19:08,549
projection section that breaks down those costs by asset type,

3576
05:19:08,549 --> 05:19:14,785
um, and by activity. Thank you for that. Um, yeah,

3577
05:19:14,785 --> 05:19:17,866
I'm still not satisfied with that answer. I'm sorry. Um,

3578
05:19:19,007 --> 05:19:21,546
there's no evidence that things are changing in such a

3579
05:19:21,546 --> 05:19:23,866
way. And certainly not provided in this report that we

3580
05:19:23,906 --> 05:19:25,546
need to put come up with the next year 800,

3581
05:19:25,567 --> 05:19:29,888
000 dollars to essentially maintain. It says maintain. Not enhance.

3582
05:19:30,642 --> 05:19:36,075
Um, what we have now. So given the, what I

3583
05:19:36,075 --> 05:19:38,155
see is some inconsistencies in this report and the implication

3584
05:19:38,155 --> 05:19:41,595
that we're going to be being asked for to approve

3585
05:19:41,635 --> 05:19:45,279
an 800, 000 dollar annual increase to our budget. When

3586
05:19:45,279 --> 05:19:47,439
the things out there that we need a lot more.

3587
05:19:48,627 --> 05:19:52,099
Right now, like a two dome solution, for example. I'd

3588
05:19:52,099 --> 05:19:54,754
rather see money being allocated towards that. I'm going to

3589
05:19:54,754 --> 05:19:58,554
propose that we defer this report until, uh, the next

3590
05:19:58,655 --> 05:20:03,235
Council session. Uh, we, uh. We don't address it today.

3591
05:20:04,039 --> 05:20:06,658
That's my motion is to propose a deferral, Mr. Chair.

3592
05:20:08,477 --> 05:20:12,425
Thank you Council Keen. Are there any other questions. Council

3593
05:20:12,446 --> 05:20:16,745
Kimbal? Just a matter of procedure, would I address to

3594
05:20:16,745 --> 05:20:20,665
the deferral, would I speak to the, uh, original report.

3595
05:20:22,550 --> 05:20:24,609
I think you could speak to the report right now.

3596
05:20:24,609 --> 05:20:26,609
That's what we're doing. Yes, we haven't voted on the.

3597
05:20:27,747 --> 05:20:31,409
Furest on the floor. Sorry. I speak to the pro.

3598
05:20:31,409 --> 05:20:33,969
Yes. Speak on the two of the deferral and then

3599
05:20:33,969 --> 05:20:35,969
we'll deal with the, with the report. Yeah. Thank you.

3600
05:20:36,070 --> 05:20:40,049
Yeah. Um, when, when the, uh, the auditors were up

3601
05:20:40,049 --> 05:20:43,969
here a while ago, they acknowledged that Canadian public sector

3602
05:20:43,990 --> 05:20:50,449
accounting, uh, that they recognised that the, uh, the reliability

3603
05:20:50,870 --> 05:20:57,809
of measuring national or natural capital within conventional financial statements

3604
05:20:58,230 --> 05:21:02,856
that remained difficult. So I think before a committing an

3605
05:21:02,856 --> 05:21:06,136
additional 800, 000 each year, I think, uh, we need

3606
05:21:06,176 --> 05:21:10,536
to have a clear understanding exactly what taxpayers will receive,

3607
05:21:10,536 --> 05:21:14,696
including specific projects, staff requirements and measurable results. So my

3608
05:21:14,797 --> 05:21:17,816
question is if staff could now at this stage provided

3609
05:21:17,816 --> 05:21:21,576
detailed breakdown of what the additional 800, 000 dollars annually

3610
05:21:22,077 --> 05:21:26,856
would actually purchase and what measurable improvements residents should expect.

3611
05:21:30,656 --> 05:21:36,178
Yeah. Stuff. Catherine. Through the chair to the Councillor. So

3612
05:21:36,719 --> 05:21:41,578
the 800, 000 dollars, um, it is broken out in

3613
05:21:41,618 --> 05:21:45,418
the green infrastructure asset management plan, um, it's done so

3614
05:21:45,599 --> 05:21:48,858
in an even more detailed way, um, in a work

3615
05:21:48,879 --> 05:21:53,798
sheet that the consultants used for their financial projections. Um,

3616
05:21:53,798 --> 05:21:57,898
so that could be provided if desired. Um, but in

3617
05:21:57,898 --> 05:22:02,378
terms of generally what activities we're looking at, um, there

3618
05:22:02,378 --> 05:22:06,378
was a second attachment with the report that detailed examples

3619
05:22:06,418 --> 05:22:11,498
of activities in scenario, um, too. So invasive species management

3620
05:22:12,719 --> 05:22:16,858
more frequent pruning of mature trees. Um, so residents would

3621
05:22:16,959 --> 05:22:22,458
see natural areas, um, improving in condition with invasive species

3622
05:22:22,479 --> 05:22:27,498
being removed as well as over time healthier, more mature

3623
05:22:27,679 --> 05:22:32,058
trees and less damage after storm events. Um, as some

3624
05:22:32,239 --> 05:22:37,738
examples. And the intent of the report, like the 800,

3625
05:22:37,759 --> 05:22:44,938
000 dollar funding gap is highlighted. But, um, the intent

3626
05:22:45,199 --> 05:22:48,618
isn't, um, for that to be an ask like associated

3627
05:22:48,618 --> 05:22:52,778
with this report. It's, um, this report recommends that staff

3628
05:22:53,039 --> 05:22:58,058
are directed to develop a 10 year implementation plan work

3629
05:22:58,079 --> 05:23:02,538
plan that would each year be, um, considered through the

3630
05:23:02,799 --> 05:23:07,418
annual budget process. And so, um, as the commissioner said,

3631
05:23:07,839 --> 05:23:12,618
it wouldn't be the 800, 000 dollars up front There

3632
05:23:12,658 --> 05:23:17,098
would be certain priorities item priority items phased in.

3633
05:23:22,870 --> 05:23:28,449
Okay. Thank you. Um, yeah, I mean, um, I'm looking,

3634
05:23:28,449 --> 05:23:31,809
maybe this is too premature. I mean, I'm looking for

3635
05:23:32,710 --> 05:23:36,049
a tangible financial benefits for the town. I mean, I

3636
05:23:36,049 --> 05:23:39,729
think we're maybe a risk of losing, of not seeing

3637
05:23:39,750 --> 05:23:41,809
the force for the trees, much of the discussion is

3638
05:23:41,830 --> 05:23:46,369
on tree planting and invasive species. But in order to

3639
05:23:46,710 --> 05:23:50,449
justify for taxpayers, I need, we, I, I honestly believe

3640
05:23:50,550 --> 05:23:55,249
we need to spell out, uh, exactly, uh, clearly what

3641
05:23:55,289 --> 05:24:00,289
the tangible benefits are. So, um, leave it at that.

3642
05:24:00,361 --> 05:24:03,620
And we can discuss it if when it comes up.

3643
05:24:03,620 --> 05:24:07,540
Yeah. Um, commissioner Swallowski wants to, uh, add some comments

3644
05:24:08,281 --> 05:24:12,536
to that. Thank you, Chairman, building on the question earlier

3645
05:24:12,557 --> 05:24:16,056
from Councillor Kimbaum. Just a reminder that the asset management

3646
05:24:16,237 --> 05:24:19,656
regulations in Ontario require us to consider green acid manage.

3647
05:24:19,656 --> 05:24:21,736
Green acid management. And that's what's in front of Councillor

3648
05:24:21,736 --> 05:24:24,216
today. So in order for us to be in full

3649
05:24:24,256 --> 05:24:27,136
compliance, we need, uh, we're looking for councils approval, at

3650
05:24:27,136 --> 05:24:30,216
least in principle of the report. The report presents three

3651
05:24:30,216 --> 05:24:33,256
scenarios to Council. The details in terms of the questions

3652
05:24:33,357 --> 05:24:36,216
you're asking Councillor in terms of the KPIs, the specific

3653
05:24:36,256 --> 05:24:39,336
actions. That's what staff would go back and develop for

3654
05:24:39,336 --> 05:24:41,976
the 10 year implementation plan. The reason we're asking for

3655
05:24:42,157 --> 05:24:45,256
guidance around scenario three is that would shape the 10

3656
05:24:45,277 --> 05:24:47,576
year action plan. When we bring the 10 year action

3657
05:24:47,616 --> 05:24:50,216
plan and Council, you know, has other suggestions disagrees with

3658
05:24:50,256 --> 05:24:52,776
it. That's would be the time where we would actually

3659
05:24:52,957 --> 05:24:56,776
amend the details of how the plan would be developed,

3660
05:24:56,776 --> 05:24:58,856
implemented and what the cost would be. But we really

3661
05:24:58,856 --> 05:25:01,416
need to be in compliance with the regulations and the

3662
05:25:01,456 --> 05:25:03,256
10 year plan with the details that you're seeking would

3663
05:25:03,256 --> 05:25:09,409
be the next step. The final comment. No, I agree

3664
05:25:09,449 --> 05:25:12,690
with you. I think green infrastructure is really infrastructure. Uh,

3665
05:25:12,690 --> 05:25:15,890
but it must be managed with the same financial discipline

3666
05:25:15,930 --> 05:25:18,370
that we expect for prejudice and roads. I think before

3667
05:25:18,471 --> 05:25:23,010
we commit substantial funds, um, we do need to know

3668
05:25:23,031 --> 05:25:27,250
exactly how those funds will be allocated. I think that's

3669
05:25:27,271 --> 05:25:34,652
our responsibility. Thank you. Thank you Council Campbell. Councillor Bras.

3670
05:25:36,159 --> 05:25:42,118
Thank you, chair, through you to. Staff. In light of

3671
05:25:42,299 --> 05:25:51,427
Councillor Keene's deferral. Proposal. I'm still confused. With what exactly

3672
05:25:51,448 --> 05:25:55,887
the ask is since getting into this conversation. So, uh,

3673
05:25:56,488 --> 05:25:59,827
I agree with Councillor Keene that when this was first

3674
05:25:59,848 --> 05:26:02,947
brought to our attention not too long ago, the intent

3675
05:26:03,368 --> 05:26:07,454
and asked was more of FYI and knowledge. Not we're

3676
05:26:07,475 --> 05:26:09,934
going to need a monumental amount of money in a

3677
05:26:09,934 --> 05:26:15,193
very short period of time. And is this report asking

3678
05:26:15,214 --> 05:26:19,330
Council to commit any funds to this. Or not? Or

3679
05:26:19,330 --> 05:26:25,453
not? So thank you, Councillor. Through this report. No, not

3680
05:26:25,453 --> 05:26:28,193
directly. What we're seeking is to Council to, in principle,

3681
05:26:28,193 --> 05:26:29,953
which was one of the requests from Council Had the

3682
05:26:29,993 --> 05:26:33,393
Prior meeting when we discussed this, recognising the timing we're

3683
05:26:33,393 --> 05:26:36,033
in this year is just in principle approval of the

3684
05:26:36,054 --> 05:26:40,113
report, which is very technical. And then endorsement of staff

3685
05:26:40,214 --> 05:26:43,313
to go away and develop an implementation plan with all

3686
05:26:43,313 --> 05:26:46,033
the details that Councillor Kimball was asking for that would

3687
05:26:46,073 --> 05:26:47,793
lay out a 10 year plan. And we would be

3688
05:26:47,833 --> 05:26:50,353
back in front of Council, probably the new Council to

3689
05:26:50,393 --> 05:26:52,913
say in order to implement scenario two, these are the

3690
05:26:53,014 --> 05:26:57,073
specific actions. This specific annual budget request and see councils

3691
05:26:57,113 --> 05:26:59,793
review in a provide that time. So today we are

3692
05:26:59,833 --> 05:27:03,153
not seeking any budget approval from Council. We're seeking in

3693
05:27:03,193 --> 05:27:06,353
principle providing the plan. And we're seeking direction to go

3694
05:27:06,393 --> 05:27:08,833
away and develop a 10 year implementation plan that will

3695
05:27:08,873 --> 05:27:11,313
have the budget and we'll have the actions attached to

3696
05:27:11,353 --> 05:27:18,966
it. Okay. So to me, it sounds. Like money cloaked

3697
05:27:20,267 --> 05:27:23,606
and mystery as well. So I have to agree that

3698
05:27:23,707 --> 05:27:27,046
it sounds ambiguous on, I'm sorry, maybe I'm not, I

3699
05:27:27,086 --> 05:27:29,046
didn't read it right or I'm not getting the correct

3700
05:27:29,147 --> 05:27:33,226
explanation. But if we're agreeing to a framework to put

3701
05:27:33,266 --> 05:27:35,946
together a plan that's going to be involved in the

3702
05:27:35,946 --> 05:27:38,426
budget coming up, then that's asking to be asking Council

3703
05:27:38,466 --> 05:27:41,895
for money. So it's, so it is asking Council for

3704
05:27:41,895 --> 05:27:44,455
money, but it's about the question mark is how much

3705
05:27:44,495 --> 05:27:48,301
money. And the 800, 000 is just highlighting what the

3706
05:27:48,341 --> 05:27:53,261
current gap is. So I understand the hesitation in this.

3707
05:27:54,218 --> 05:27:56,677
And is there a way to clean up the language.

3708
05:27:57,679 --> 05:28:04,898
That would satisfy Council instead of the deferral? Or, I

3709
05:28:04,898 --> 05:28:07,738
mean, I only got up to Councillor King. It's histopharal,

3710
05:28:07,738 --> 05:28:11,018
but, uh, I'm equally as confused, quite be quite honest.

3711
05:28:16,857 --> 05:28:19,556
I'll try to clarify Councillor through the chair. Please ask

3712
05:28:19,596 --> 05:28:22,276
me any or Catherine additional questions. That would help out.

3713
05:28:22,276 --> 05:28:25,796
But again, we're seeking the approval of the plan in

3714
05:28:25,796 --> 05:28:28,116
principle because that will put us in compliance with the

3715
05:28:28,156 --> 05:28:31,356
regulations, which require consideration of green assets, just like we

3716
05:28:31,356 --> 05:28:33,876
have plans developed where our roads and bridges and playgrounds

3717
05:28:33,977 --> 05:28:36,596
and parks that's already been approved by Council. And we

3718
05:28:36,596 --> 05:28:40,196
have been developing plans to carry out that plan. Currently,

3719
05:28:40,196 --> 05:28:42,196
we do not have a plan to manage our green

3720
05:28:42,196 --> 05:28:44,756
assets. Our tree canopy and all our parks and so

3721
05:28:44,756 --> 05:28:48,116
on. So that's what Council is approving or hopefully approving

3722
05:28:48,377 --> 05:28:51,156
in principle today. We're not presenting today in front of

3723
05:28:51,196 --> 05:28:53,156
Council In terms of what are the detailed actions that

3724
05:28:53,257 --> 05:28:55,796
would be required to implement that plan? Because we need

3725
05:28:55,796 --> 05:28:58,116
to go away and develop that plan in more detail.

3726
05:28:58,116 --> 05:28:59,796
And it'll be a 10 year plan. And that's when

3727
05:28:59,836 --> 05:29:03,156
we would come back with, this is the associated budget,

3728
05:29:03,156 --> 05:29:06,116
but we are saying in the report that scenario two,

3729
05:29:06,116 --> 05:29:08,916
which we're recommending as the scenario to be implemented, has

3730
05:29:09,097 --> 05:29:12,116
an average annual cost of 800, 000 dollars That does

3731
05:29:12,116 --> 05:29:14,656
not mean that that's the recombination will bring back, but

3732
05:29:14,656 --> 05:29:17,236
it gives staff, our framework to work within because each

3733
05:29:17,236 --> 05:29:20,836
of this scenarios has a different annual gap associated with

3734
05:29:20,876 --> 05:29:24,356
it. And we are not planning to bring an 800,

3735
05:29:24,396 --> 05:29:27,476
000 dollar asks to the 2027 budget because we're not

3736
05:29:27,577 --> 05:29:30,516
going to be in front of Council before. The end

3737
05:29:30,516 --> 05:29:32,116
of this year with the 10 year plan. So that

3738
05:29:32,156 --> 05:29:34,436
will be for the next Councillor Trump to consider the

3739
05:29:34,436 --> 05:29:38,896
actual plan to implement. Thank you, Chair, through you. I'd

3740
05:29:38,896 --> 05:29:43,340
be curious to hear from Councillor Keene if there's. An

3741
05:29:43,361 --> 05:29:46,780
amendment to the language that would satisfy rather than a

3742
05:29:46,820 --> 05:29:51,109
deferral, just like to hear that. That commentary, please. Go

3743
05:29:51,149 --> 05:29:54,322
ahead, Council King. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Councillor Bryce.

3744
05:29:55,308 --> 05:29:58,387
No, I mean, I'm not saying no, not ever. I'm

3745
05:29:58,387 --> 05:30:03,293
just saying not tonight. Because they don't believe the specifics,

3746
05:30:03,293 --> 05:30:07,053
particularly the Councillor Kimbalms are questioning, hard numbers, the same

3747
05:30:07,093 --> 05:30:09,373
kind of accuracy that we see when we're dealing with

3748
05:30:09,874 --> 05:30:12,253
grey assets. That's not in this report. I read it

3749
05:30:12,293 --> 05:30:16,459
over for the consultants'report. It's a very nonspecific. The numbers

3750
05:30:16,880 --> 05:30:18,734
don't, there are no numbers to add up. In terms

3751
05:30:18,734 --> 05:30:22,814
of benefits or post a cost. And with all respect,

3752
05:30:22,814 --> 05:30:25,054
Councillors - Zabolski, you say we're not being asked to

3753
05:30:25,094 --> 05:30:27,934
endorse anything, but the language is very clear. It says

3754
05:30:27,934 --> 05:30:33,756
right here, staff recommend the Council endorse scenario 2. With

3755
05:30:33,796 --> 05:30:36,538
an estimated cost, blah, blah, blah, 800, 000. We approve

3756
05:30:36,578 --> 05:30:41,338
this report. We're essentially giving you what you're recommending, approval

3757
05:30:41,378 --> 05:30:48,830
of scenario too. I'm sorry. Deferret. Till the next council.

3758
05:30:49,684 --> 05:30:51,983
You've heard some of the comments from councillors here. They

3759
05:30:51,983 --> 05:30:54,391
don't appear to be satisfied. That the business case have

3760
05:30:54,391 --> 05:30:57,993
been made for this. And. That's, but the reason for

3761
05:30:58,033 --> 05:31:00,966
my deferral. And the other areas in this as well,

3762
05:31:00,966 --> 05:31:03,716
but I mean, that's the main point. There's no reason

3763
05:31:03,716 --> 05:31:13,009
we can't defer this. Until Council Returns. Through. Yes, go

3764
05:31:13,009 --> 05:31:16,049
ahead, Catherine. Sorry through the chair. Um, so I just

3765
05:31:16,150 --> 05:31:18,769
wanted to clarify one thing, which is that the green

3766
05:31:18,809 --> 05:31:25,089
infrastructure asset management plan, um, it includes three management scenarios.

3767
05:31:25,089 --> 05:31:29,249
And there is no recommendation in the plan itself for

3768
05:31:29,270 --> 05:31:32,049
scenario two or for one over the other. It just

3769
05:31:32,049 --> 05:31:35,169
gives us all the information we need to make informed

3770
05:31:35,209 --> 05:31:39,569
decisions like other asset management plans. And so the staff

3771
05:31:39,670 --> 05:31:45,389
recommendation, um, to endorse scenario two is based on, um,

3772
05:31:45,430 --> 05:31:49,409
the fact that that scenario, um, you know, all three

3773
05:31:49,430 --> 05:31:53,729
scenarios are associated with various implications for the residents and

3774
05:31:53,750 --> 05:31:57,169
for the services that they derive from green assets and

3775
05:31:57,209 --> 05:32:02,449
scenario, um, was the scenario that would allow those benefits

3776
05:32:02,470 --> 05:32:06,769
that residents derived to be sustained. And so that was

3777
05:32:06,790 --> 05:32:11,729
the scenario selected to be recommended in the staff report.

3778
05:32:11,729 --> 05:32:15,409
However, if we were to amend the staff report, um,

3779
05:32:16,150 --> 05:32:19,809
that language in the staff report specifically, um, the plan

3780
05:32:19,910 --> 05:32:25,649
could still be approved, um, without approving that scenario specifically.

3781
05:32:28,869 --> 05:32:31,591
I asked the question again. What's the rush. Just go

3782
05:32:31,631 --> 05:32:34,551
back. We'll defer until the next meeting rework it, come

3783
05:32:34,551 --> 05:32:37,390
back. You know, I just find an office suspicious that

3784
05:32:37,390 --> 05:32:41,150
the Halton Hills today article from a climate corner ends

3785
05:32:41,150 --> 05:32:43,950
with the following paragraph. Open the whole articles of a

3786
05:32:43,990 --> 05:32:47,378
green asset management. And at the very end, it implors

3787
05:32:47,799 --> 05:32:51,898
the citizens of our grid burger, a good Berke. If

3788
05:32:52,039 --> 05:32:55,138
you're concerned about sustaining or enhancing our green infrastructure assets,

3789
05:32:55,319 --> 05:32:57,378
contact your councillors and let them know that you support

3790
05:32:57,879 --> 05:33:04,017
allocating money to do so. Wonderful. It's funny coincidence that,

3791
05:33:04,017 --> 05:33:07,124
eh? Sounds like it was an agenda here to me.

3792
05:33:08,405 --> 05:33:11,332
And I don't, it doesn't pass a smell test. Let's

3793
05:33:11,433 --> 05:33:19,358
have a, um, Councillor Zabowski replied. Commissioner, not Councillor yet.

3794
05:33:19,358 --> 05:33:23,118
But thank you. That's been a long night, long afternoon.

3795
05:33:23,118 --> 05:33:25,518
If I can make a suggestion, Councillor or to Council

3796
05:33:25,939 --> 05:33:28,638
and the chair, if you're building on what Catherine just

3797
05:33:28,678 --> 05:33:32,958
said, if you, if Councillor to approve or approve the

3798
05:33:32,958 --> 05:33:36,718
actual attachment, the report itself, the Green infrastructure, Estimate Plan

3799
05:33:37,219 --> 05:33:40,238
in principle, without the second recommendation or the second part

3800
05:33:40,339 --> 05:33:43,278
that says the specific scenario two, we would still have

3801
05:33:43,299 --> 05:33:45,358
the plan and we can go away and develop a

3802
05:33:45,358 --> 05:33:47,816
10 year plan. And look at all the three sets.

3803
05:33:47,816 --> 05:33:49,096
We can re - look at all the three scenarios

3804
05:33:49,277 --> 05:33:52,056
and develop a plan that best fits without Council specifically

3805
05:33:52,317 --> 05:33:55,656
improving scenario two. And the attachment itself, like after mentioned,

3806
05:33:55,837 --> 05:33:59,656
doesn't recommend a specific scenario. It's downstaff that are recommending

3807
05:33:59,997 --> 05:34:03,656
the specific scenario. So that way we meet our obligations.

3808
05:34:03,656 --> 05:34:06,136
And Council is not committing to any specific scenario until

3809
05:34:06,237 --> 05:34:09,096
you hear back from us in the term about an

3810
05:34:09,096 --> 05:34:13,358
actual plan to implement. I still don't understand what the

3811
05:34:13,398 --> 05:34:16,631
Russia is. Just clean this up and bring it back

3812
05:34:16,972 --> 05:34:19,984
in the next meeting. If we're not, is there a

3813
05:34:19,984 --> 05:34:24,364
deadline to comply with OREG - 155 - 18? And

3814
05:34:24,364 --> 05:34:27,104
how many other communities of complied? Yes, Councillor, so through

3815
05:34:27,125 --> 05:34:29,744
the chair, I believe by July 1st of next year,

3816
05:34:29,744 --> 05:34:33,724
we have to have an annual report about implementation. And

3817
05:34:33,724 --> 05:34:37,844
again, the attachment is the plan. The scenarios are there.

3818
05:34:37,844 --> 05:34:39,444
But if you just approve the plan, we meet our

3819
05:34:40,185 --> 05:34:43,044
requirements and we can go away and develop plan. There

3820
05:34:43,084 --> 05:34:46,724
is no more edits or updates to be made to

3821
05:34:46,825 --> 05:34:48,884
the attachment itself. Really where the work needs to happen

3822
05:34:49,305 --> 05:34:51,044
is in the 10 year plan. If we don't have

3823
05:34:51,705 --> 05:34:54,244
the plan approved, we can develop a 10 - year

3824
05:34:54,244 --> 05:34:56,484
plan. So we'll be kind of stuck. We won't be

3825
05:34:56,484 --> 05:34:59,580
any more work that we can undertake. So to be

3826
05:34:59,580 --> 05:35:01,500
clear, we were talking about just approving the plan is

3827
05:35:01,500 --> 05:35:04,173
that the consultants plan that we've been presented with. Not

3828
05:35:04,194 --> 05:35:07,496
staff plan. That's correct. Councillor. So you would be in

3829
05:35:07,496 --> 05:35:12,808
principle approving the attachment, the lengthy document that's attached. I'll

3830
05:35:12,829 --> 05:35:15,053
vote to receive it. I'm not going to vote to

3831
05:35:15,093 --> 05:35:18,253
approve it without staff giving their professional report attached to

3832
05:35:18,293 --> 05:35:23,763
it. Sorry. So through the chair councillor, the staff report

3833
05:35:24,104 --> 05:35:29,835
is our commentary on the professional consulting report. Which I've

3834
05:35:29,835 --> 05:35:31,755
already pointed out has language in it, which I cannot

3835
05:35:31,795 --> 05:35:39,187
accept. Okay, thank you. We got a list of speakers

3836
05:35:39,227 --> 05:35:41,507
here. So just stick to the, uh, the people that

3837
05:35:42,568 --> 05:35:47,206
actually had their hands up. So Councillor Hillston. Yes, Mr.

3838
05:35:47,227 --> 05:35:51,255
Chair, thank you. You know, following the conversation. I mean,

3839
05:35:51,676 --> 05:35:54,695
really we're coming near to the end of this Council

3840
05:35:54,876 --> 05:35:56,775
term and Sturf need to have something to do for

3841
05:35:56,775 --> 05:35:59,255
the next six months who are assigned to do this.

3842
05:35:59,255 --> 05:36:02,295
And we need something by next July. So, I mean,

3843
05:36:03,196 --> 05:36:12,947
looking at the clauses here. So, um, commissioner. So are

3844
05:36:12,987 --> 05:36:15,787
you, are you saying so that in the second, so

3845
05:36:15,787 --> 05:36:21,150
the first claw stays the same. The third clause stays

3846
05:36:21,150 --> 05:36:23,950
the same, but it's the, and further that Council proved

3847
05:36:23,971 --> 05:36:29,096
the green infrastructure asset management plan in principle. And then

3848
05:36:29,197 --> 05:36:33,416
you, and then we stop. You take out the part

3849
05:36:33,416 --> 05:36:37,896
about the 10 year inflammation implementation plan at that point?

3850
05:36:37,917 --> 05:36:40,376
Or is I enough just having the first part of

3851
05:36:40,416 --> 05:36:43,397
that clause. Thank you, Councillor, for the chair. I think

3852
05:36:43,418 --> 05:36:45,957
the simplest thing from our perspective would be to delete

3853
05:36:45,957 --> 05:36:50,037
the words for this, for the sustained scenario two, out

3854
05:36:50,058 --> 05:36:53,077
of the Second Recommendation. That way you're approving the report

3855
05:36:53,098 --> 05:36:56,517
and principle. And directing staff to report with a 10

3856
05:36:56,538 --> 05:37:01,888
year implementation plan without endorsing a specific scenario. Right? So

3857
05:37:01,928 --> 05:37:05,088
that's when we come back and you can see the

3858
05:37:05,088 --> 05:37:07,568
specific actions. You can see the specific budget, but you

3859
05:37:07,568 --> 05:37:09,888
are not telling us to build a plan around 800,

3860
05:37:09,928 --> 05:37:12,928
000 dollars our year. All right. Uh, thank you for

3861
05:37:12,968 --> 05:37:17,626
that. So I think the furl on the floor. So,

3862
05:37:17,626 --> 05:37:20,346
uh, so I won't support the deferral if there was

3863
05:37:20,367 --> 05:37:24,826
an amendment to that like that, I would support that.

3864
05:37:24,969 --> 05:37:27,028
Thank you. All right. So we're still dealing with the

3865
05:37:27,068 --> 05:37:31,188
referral and there's more questions about that referral. And then

3866
05:37:31,188 --> 05:37:34,228
we'll, we'll deal with other things that come up. Sorry,

3867
05:37:34,268 --> 05:37:36,948
Mr. Chair. Just a point of procedure. Is it a

3868
05:37:36,988 --> 05:37:39,908
referral or a deferral? I believe it was a deferral.

3869
05:37:40,707 --> 05:37:43,286
Thank you. That's what I thought too. Thank you. Uh,

3870
05:37:43,387 --> 05:37:51,253
Councillor Fogle. Here we go. I always have trouble finding

3871
05:37:51,274 --> 05:37:57,416
the mic. Um, yeah. I think we need to, uh,

3872
05:37:58,177 --> 05:38:01,341
allows Dov to move ahead. I mean, as that manager,

3873
05:38:01,341 --> 05:38:04,381
the green assets are important and they do require looking

3874
05:38:04,562 --> 05:38:07,821
after. I mean, even every lawn has to get looked

3875
05:38:07,842 --> 05:38:11,022
after. Every tree has to be looked after. Just to

3876
05:38:11,062 --> 05:38:15,082
maintain what we've got. It made it sound like, Oh,

3877
05:38:15,082 --> 05:38:16,702
we don't need any money. We'll just keep what we've

3878
05:38:16,742 --> 05:38:21,822
got. But these are living, growing things that within base

3879
05:38:21,822 --> 05:38:24,422
of species and so on coming in. We're going to

3880
05:38:24,422 --> 05:38:29,502
have to invest something and we know how, how much

3881
05:38:29,923 --> 05:38:33,262
this functions to help the town function that doesn't exist.

3882
05:38:33,262 --> 05:38:36,781
Then we've got a big problem, especially with floods. So,

3883
05:38:36,781 --> 05:38:41,021
um, uh, I like the ideas that, uh, the commissioners

3884
05:38:41,061 --> 05:38:45,001
brought forward to make it less specific around funding, but

3885
05:38:45,122 --> 05:38:48,141
lots of proven principle the plan and let them get

3886
05:38:48,162 --> 05:38:53,305
on with it. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Fogle. Council

3887
05:38:53,326 --> 05:38:55,865
Keen, you had a question before, but I believe that,

3888
05:38:55,865 --> 05:38:58,705
uh, major comments or do you have an additional? I

3889
05:38:58,705 --> 05:39:03,403
had you on the list. What other speakers? Okay. Thank

3890
05:39:03,403 --> 05:39:04,843
you. Uh, Council Garnel.

3891
05:39:14,421 --> 05:39:17,680
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And through you to staff.

3892
05:39:19,626 --> 05:39:26,405
So. It's getting late. Um, but I'm wondering if we

3893
05:39:26,405 --> 05:39:28,725
can just back a little bit and can you explain

3894
05:39:28,765 --> 05:39:32,245
the intent of the provincial regulation? Like why is the

3895
05:39:32,266 --> 05:39:35,525
province asking municipalities that we have to do this in

3896
05:39:35,525 --> 05:39:42,862
the first place. Sure. Through the chair to the Councillor.

3897
05:39:42,862 --> 05:39:45,902
Thank you. Um, so the intent of the green infrastructure

3898
05:39:45,902 --> 05:39:49,982
asset management plan and the intent for green infrastructure to

3899
05:39:50,022 --> 05:39:55,822
be included in the legislation is that green assets also

3900
05:39:55,843 --> 05:39:59,262
require the same understanding to be able to make informed

3901
05:39:59,302 --> 05:40:03,662
decisions about investing in them. Um, they're critical infrastructure from

3902
05:40:03,683 --> 05:40:09,022
municipalities like grey assets. Um, and they like grey assets.

3903
05:40:11,327 --> 05:40:14,746
Are, you know, they have risks associated with their service

3904
05:40:14,786 --> 05:40:21,171
delivery. They provide critical services to residents. And, you know,

3905
05:40:21,372 --> 05:40:25,031
they provide value to the community. And so it's important

3906
05:40:25,212 --> 05:40:28,791
that we bring them into the same asset management framework

3907
05:40:29,132 --> 05:40:32,631
as grey assets so that we can make, um, informed

3908
05:40:32,671 --> 05:40:35,911
decisions about investing in them and ensure that we're protecting

3909
05:40:37,372 --> 05:40:39,831
the assets as well as the services that they provide

3910
05:40:40,092 --> 05:40:44,426
that are very important. And so in the report, I

3911
05:40:44,447 --> 05:40:50,198
see that, um. There's some numbers here, like 140 million

3912
05:40:50,299 --> 05:40:56,725
dollars in avoided Strawater Management costs every year. So if

3913
05:40:56,746 --> 05:41:00,965
we don't do anything and we don't address this and

3914
05:41:00,965 --> 05:41:05,694
the quality of those, um. Ecosystems that are managing that

3915
05:41:05,875 --> 05:41:11,134
stormwater erode through, as you mentioned, invasive species, development, um,

3916
05:41:11,315 --> 05:41:15,134
climate change, then it's going to end up costing us

3917
05:41:15,155 --> 05:41:20,166
a lot more money in grey infrastructure. Or floods or

3918
05:41:20,187 --> 05:41:25,286
emergency situations. Is that part of the philosophy behind this?

3919
05:41:25,286 --> 05:41:31,840
Yes, it is. Okay. Thank you. Um, so going to

3920
05:41:31,861 --> 05:41:35,280
the deferral, I don't, I don't see in the actual

3921
05:41:35,381 --> 05:41:40,169
recommendation anywhere that says. 800, 000 dollars a year. Like

3922
05:41:40,190 --> 05:41:44,009
that seems like it's stated further down in the report

3923
05:41:44,350 --> 05:41:47,650
as this is what it might be. And my understanding

3924
05:41:47,690 --> 05:41:50,850
is that the intent of the next step is for

3925
05:41:50,850 --> 05:41:55,170
you to get a very clear MOPTO detail. Like the

3926
05:41:55,671 --> 05:41:58,844
what Councillor Kimbalm was asking for. That's what would come

3927
05:41:58,884 --> 05:42:03,077
to us in the second phase. Is that correct? Yes.

3928
05:42:03,077 --> 05:42:07,237
Okay. That's correct. So I will not be supporting the

3929
05:42:07,498 --> 05:42:11,077
deferral, but I would support the, if it, if it

3930
05:42:11,117 --> 05:42:14,717
pleases Council and it's easier to accept going forward, I

3931
05:42:14,778 --> 05:42:19,957
would be fine with the removal of the sustained scenario

3932
05:42:20,618 --> 05:42:26,717
too. Um, and I wonder what kind of, like, I

3933
05:42:26,717 --> 05:42:30,757
know that we're also behind, I believe, in passing this.

3934
05:42:30,757 --> 05:42:34,357
Like we, the province wanted us to have something in

3935
05:42:34,357 --> 05:42:39,166
place already. Is that correct? Yes. Let's correct. Okay. So

3936
05:42:39,347 --> 05:42:43,966
if we wait again, until next Council term before new

3937
05:42:43,966 --> 05:42:47,679
Council looks at this. Are there any, like that would

3938
05:42:47,679 --> 05:42:50,479
put us even further behind with what the province has

3939
05:42:50,500 --> 05:42:59,396
directed us to do. Yes. Okay. Um, thank you. And

3940
05:43:00,057 --> 05:43:01,476
the last speaker that I have on my list is

3941
05:43:01,497 --> 05:43:08,710
Councillor Norris. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I've

3942
05:43:08,710 --> 05:43:11,430
been going through this over and over and over again

3943
05:43:11,691 --> 05:43:14,710
and listening to all the comments as well. Um, before

3944
05:43:14,811 --> 05:43:17,510
I get to my opinion on what we've been talking

3945
05:43:17,691 --> 05:43:21,510
about, I want to scale or go down towards the

3946
05:43:21,510 --> 05:43:24,866
bottom where we talked about public engagement. Public engagement has

3947
05:43:24,906 --> 05:43:28,386
been conducted as follows the online survey, open house, PIC

3948
05:43:28,426 --> 05:43:34,013
workshops, stakeholder meeting. At any time with the questions, and

3949
05:43:34,013 --> 05:43:36,113
I'm not sure who should get this, whether it be

3950
05:43:36,153 --> 05:43:39,713
commissioner or Catherine. Was there any time in the questions

3951
05:43:39,894 --> 05:43:44,993
where the public understood that it was going to be

3952
05:43:45,014 --> 05:43:48,433
around 800, 000 dollars a year just to move forward

3953
05:43:48,454 --> 05:43:53,983
with what we're talking about here. Through the chair to

3954
05:43:53,983 --> 05:43:57,263
the Councillor. Thank you for that question. Um, so in

3955
05:43:57,263 --> 05:43:59,903
terms of our public survey, that was done early on

3956
05:43:59,924 --> 05:44:06,543
in the process in May 2025. Um, and it had,

3957
05:44:06,543 --> 05:44:11,023
I think 17 questions, um, in the public survey, 107

3958
05:44:11,023 --> 05:44:16,063
people responded, um, and there was very widespread support for

3959
05:44:16,324 --> 05:44:20,863
increased investment in green assets. Um, so there were questions

3960
05:44:20,903 --> 05:44:26,703
about that. And, um, you know, we explain the context.

3961
05:44:26,703 --> 05:44:31,183
And there was widespread support for that. Um, in our

3962
05:44:31,223 --> 05:44:36,223
community workshop that we held in June, um, we also

3963
05:44:36,724 --> 05:44:40,863
described that there would be increased investment required. Um, we

3964
05:44:40,964 --> 05:44:46,927
didn't get into specific numbers. And with the open house,

3965
05:44:46,927 --> 05:44:49,567
um, that was also held in June, um, which unfortunately

3966
05:44:49,828 --> 05:44:52,687
wasn't as well attended. But, um, the poster boards were

3967
05:44:52,727 --> 05:44:56,527
later put online as well. Um, we didn't include specific

3968
05:44:56,567 --> 05:45:00,367
numbers in that is either, but we described that there

3969
05:45:00,407 --> 05:45:06,746
would be increased investment required. Okay. Um, so no numbers,

3970
05:45:06,746 --> 05:45:09,613
but that there would be increased on investment. I think

3971
05:45:09,653 --> 05:45:12,653
I'm going to go back to the contentious part here

3972
05:45:13,234 --> 05:45:17,266
with staff recommends to Council Endors Scenario 2. Um, I

3973
05:45:17,287 --> 05:45:18,866
can't help but think that there needs to be a

3974
05:45:18,866 --> 05:45:23,026
lot more before I would support using the word endorse.

3975
05:45:23,532 --> 05:45:28,471
Um, in there, as I read through it, what I

3976
05:45:28,471 --> 05:45:32,231
see is we're endorsing that. It's a 10 year implementing.

3977
05:45:32,946 --> 05:45:37,085
Too late for that word implementation plan. And report back

3978
05:45:37,186 --> 05:45:40,845
to Council Later Date in the interim to Main Momentum,

3979
05:45:40,845 --> 05:45:43,145
any feasible actions will be considered as part of the

3980
05:45:43,186 --> 05:45:48,260
2027 budget. I'm not convinced that the majority of people

3981
05:45:48,681 --> 05:45:51,060
in Halton Hills are even aware of this. I believe

3982
05:45:51,081 --> 05:45:53,780
that there's certain element of people that were part of

3983
05:45:53,820 --> 05:45:57,860
the online survey. You even said that the workshop wasn't

3984
05:45:58,041 --> 05:46:00,580
that well - attended. I would like to see more

3985
05:46:00,761 --> 05:46:06,034
details on what was said, uh, on the survey. Why

3986
05:46:06,034 --> 05:46:08,494
we didn't get that many people in the workshop. But

3987
05:46:08,775 --> 05:46:11,314
I'm going to have to agree with Councillor Keene here

3988
05:46:11,895 --> 05:46:15,134
is I can't endorse scenario to, I need to see

3989
05:46:15,735 --> 05:46:20,074
the wording drastically changed before I can support that. So

3990
05:46:20,215 --> 05:46:25,258
either we do drastically change this report. Or I would

3991
05:46:25,298 --> 05:46:27,738
agree with Councillor Keane that we need to defer this

3992
05:46:29,039 --> 05:46:33,738
to a later time. So sorry, there's too many questions.

3993
05:46:33,738 --> 05:46:36,778
And if I'm being asked on behalf of all of

3994
05:46:36,778 --> 05:46:39,658
the residents in Halton Hills, I don't believe all of

3995
05:46:39,698 --> 05:46:42,938
the residents in Halton Hills would be jumping. Um, through

3996
05:46:43,199 --> 05:46:46,698
hoops to move forward with this. So I think we

3997
05:46:46,698 --> 05:46:49,818
need to be clear. So thank you. Okay. Thank you.

3998
05:46:51,744 --> 05:46:54,683
All right. Thank you. I do have you on the

3999
05:46:54,723 --> 05:46:58,963
list Council King, but Councillor Salmon was before you. So

4000
05:46:59,184 --> 05:47:03,266
Councillor Salva. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So I asked the

4001
05:47:03,266 --> 05:47:06,386
question. I need some clarification because I want to make

4002
05:47:06,386 --> 05:47:09,106
sure I have the language right. What was said between

4003
05:47:10,087 --> 05:47:13,961
Catherine and Damian. So I wanted you had, I think

4004
05:47:13,961 --> 05:47:17,361
Damian had said that we have to have the plan

4005
05:47:17,382 --> 05:47:22,611
passed by next July. But then in Catherine's response to

4006
05:47:22,651 --> 05:47:26,291
Councillor Garnot, sound like we are already behind. So I'm

4007
05:47:26,712 --> 05:47:29,571
curious when by our provincial requirement is that we have

4008
05:47:29,912 --> 05:47:33,109
a plan in place. Is it next July or is

4009
05:47:33,109 --> 05:47:37,493
it something that we have to have done sooner. Catherine.

4010
05:47:38,504 --> 05:47:43,363
Through the chair to the Councillor. So under OREG -

4011
05:47:43,363 --> 05:47:47,923
588 - 17 municipalities were required to have asset management

4012
05:47:48,104 --> 05:47:55,043
plans for all assets, including green infrastructure that include current

4013
05:47:55,144 --> 05:47:58,543
and proposed levels of service, state - of - the

4014
05:47:58,543 --> 05:48:04,963
- infrastructure and financial strategy and lifecycle management strategies by

4015
05:48:05,064 --> 05:48:10,243
July 1st, 2025. And so this plan includes all of

4016
05:48:10,243 --> 05:48:14,163
those elements. Um, so that deadline has passed. And that's

4017
05:48:14,163 --> 05:48:18,543
what, you know, this plan is working to meet. Um,

4018
05:48:18,543 --> 05:48:24,003
but as the commissioner said, there are annual reports that

4019
05:48:24,584 --> 05:48:30,783
need to be completed as well under that regulation. Um,

4020
05:48:30,984 --> 05:48:34,643
that happened and need to be prepared by July as

4021
05:48:34,643 --> 05:48:37,203
well. So that's what we're looking at for next year

4022
05:48:37,384 --> 05:48:41,038
in July. It was the two July that threw me

4023
05:48:41,038 --> 05:48:43,963
off. So I guess the other thing I would, I

4024
05:48:44,064 --> 05:48:47,963
would ask is, you know, when we're looking at the

4025
05:48:47,984 --> 05:48:51,003
report, I got to flip back over to, uh, eScribe

4026
05:48:51,003 --> 05:48:55,122
now. I think it was kind of suggested. And I'm

4027
05:48:55,143 --> 05:48:59,682
wondering instead of deferring it outright that we keep the,

4028
05:48:59,722 --> 05:49:03,889
the very first part that's there. But after it says

4029
05:49:04,310 --> 05:49:07,089
direct staff to report back with a phase 10 year

4030
05:49:07,110 --> 05:49:12,221
implementation plan period. And stop there and drop the rest.

4031
05:49:12,221 --> 05:49:15,451
I know that was kind of suggested. Because that does

4032
05:49:15,552 --> 05:49:18,473
have where we improve it in principle. But it has

4033
05:49:18,513 --> 05:49:21,113
the implementation plane coming back. And it would be to

4034
05:49:21,153 --> 05:49:26,126
the next Council. So, um, either to Damian or to

4035
05:49:26,166 --> 05:49:29,406
Catherine, if that would be acceptable to do it that

4036
05:49:29,406 --> 05:49:32,766
way where we approve it in principle and we direct

4037
05:49:32,947 --> 05:49:35,566
staff to report back with the phase 10 year implementation

4038
05:49:35,907 --> 05:49:40,766
plan, if that would satisfy the requirements under those regulations

4039
05:49:41,907 --> 05:49:46,775
and would allow us to keep moving before midnight. Through

4040
05:49:46,815 --> 05:49:48,615
the Cheryl 2 Council, some of those, yes, it would.

4041
05:49:51,547 --> 05:49:55,046
Okay. Thank you. That's something to consider. I don't know

4042
05:49:55,046 --> 05:49:57,286
where I'm going to go on this yet, but I

4043
05:49:57,547 --> 05:49:59,766
think that might be the way to go. You can

4044
05:49:59,806 --> 05:50:02,142
see my hair is already standing up on edge. Um,

4045
05:50:02,483 --> 05:50:05,102
but, uh, that might be the best way to go.

4046
05:50:05,102 --> 05:50:07,582
And maybe that's something Councillor King could consider. I know

4047
05:50:07,622 --> 05:50:10,442
he said he had some issues with it with, uh,

4048
05:50:10,563 --> 05:50:13,022
that. But it's still the report. And we don't historically

4049
05:50:13,123 --> 05:50:17,182
change what's in the staff report except for the recommendations

4050
05:50:17,203 --> 05:50:22,503
that are there in contained. Thank you Council Somerville. Council

4051
05:50:22,524 --> 05:50:28,739
Keen, you're next. Well, it's good timing. Dr. Councillor Somerville's

4052
05:50:28,779 --> 05:50:31,619
recommendation. Could I just get the wording and where that

4053
05:50:31,659 --> 05:50:36,794
is in the report, how that would be done. Some

4054
05:50:36,815 --> 05:50:45,402
are, Vil. I'm flipping between two screens here to make

4055
05:50:45,402 --> 05:50:47,909
sure I had better internet. I would have it that

4056
05:50:47,909 --> 05:50:51,909
it would say that Council approved the green asset infrastructure

4057
05:50:52,330 --> 05:50:56,364
asset management plan in principle. And direct staff to report

4058
05:50:56,385 --> 05:51:03,954
back with a phase 10 year implementation plan. Period. And

4059
05:51:03,994 --> 05:51:08,796
then the third operative clause would remain. So there would

4060
05:51:08,796 --> 05:51:12,716
be a period after implementation plan. The rest would be

4061
05:51:12,756 --> 05:51:16,945
struck. Then that allows the new Council would be able

4062
05:51:16,945 --> 05:51:20,385
to have a look at it. And we've also approved

4063
05:51:20,406 --> 05:51:22,545
it in principle and we can sort out the details

4064
05:51:22,646 --> 05:51:30,782
down the road. So everything after. Further. Gets struck. After

4065
05:51:30,963 --> 05:51:34,542
plan, 10 year implementation planned, then it would be struck

4066
05:51:34,563 --> 05:51:37,662
after that. But the third, the third one would actually

4067
05:51:37,763 --> 05:51:43,275
remain the third operative clause would remain. Cause it's required

4068
05:51:43,456 --> 05:51:53,450
under the regulations. I know Mr.

4069
05:51:53,450 --> 05:51:55,210
Chair, I'm not really speaking to the deferral, but it's

4070
05:51:55,210 --> 05:51:58,250
just what I would suggest. Well, I'll remove the deferral.

4071
05:51:58,290 --> 05:51:59,450
If we, I don't like this doing this on the

4072
05:51:59,490 --> 05:52:02,470
fly. Right. Like it's late at night and we're being

4073
05:52:02,510 --> 05:52:05,990
asked to deal with some pretty specific language. Right. So

4074
05:52:06,331 --> 05:52:07,954
it'd be nice to see the wording. So we could

4075
05:52:07,954 --> 05:52:10,514
sort of make a decision on it. If it's acceptable,

4076
05:52:10,514 --> 05:52:15,450
we're withdraw the deferral. We, if you give us a

4077
05:52:15,450 --> 05:52:19,429
few minutes, we'll get the warding. From Council of Somerville's

4078
05:52:19,469 --> 05:52:28,047
recommendation or suggestion. Clarifying a question.

4079
05:52:29,257 --> 05:52:34,114
Mr. Chair. All right. Um, we have another speaker first.

4080
05:52:34,154 --> 05:52:35,954
And again, can I get back to you on that?

4081
05:52:35,954 --> 05:52:41,577
Okay. Yeah. Council Garno. Thank you. Um, just a question

4082
05:52:41,598 --> 05:52:44,297
to staff on this suggested wording. It also takes out

4083
05:52:44,318 --> 05:52:47,337
the anti - consider any practical actions that may be

4084
05:52:47,377 --> 05:52:51,066
advanced as part of the 2027 budget as appropriate. So

4085
05:52:52,287 --> 05:52:54,666
understanding that some of this is the work on Fairy

4086
05:52:54,666 --> 05:52:58,506
Lake. Some of it is other, other things that you

4087
05:52:58,506 --> 05:53:02,266
may fall under funding for next year, if that's taken

4088
05:53:02,266 --> 05:53:04,986
out of here, would you still be able to present

4089
05:53:05,647 --> 05:53:08,295
an understanding that the way the budget works. Is that

4090
05:53:08,335 --> 05:53:11,655
Council still votes on it. Just because it's included in

4091
05:53:11,655 --> 05:53:16,742
the budget doesn't mean it is rubber stamped. So would

4092
05:53:16,923 --> 05:53:21,542
staff still be able to propose projects related to green

4093
05:53:21,582 --> 05:53:26,659
infrastructure asset management. In the 2027 budget that the 2027

4094
05:53:26,680 --> 05:53:31,991
Council can vote on. At that time. Yeah, through the

4095
05:53:32,012 --> 05:53:33,911
chair to the Councillor, that's a great question. Yeah, I

4096
05:53:33,911 --> 05:53:35,991
don't believe it would preclude us from doing that because

4097
05:53:35,991 --> 05:53:39,191
there's other projects that are fallen under the umbrella of

4098
05:53:39,372 --> 05:53:41,351
green assets. Like you mentioned Fairy Lake, which is already

4099
05:53:41,372 --> 05:53:44,871
something that's approved by Council. So yes, Fairy Lake touches

4100
05:53:44,892 --> 05:53:49,231
on. This project, but, uh, by taking that out, I

4101
05:53:49,231 --> 05:53:51,431
don't think it would percotheas from doing it. The way

4102
05:53:51,431 --> 05:53:53,911
it's written in the second class, it's just tied into

4103
05:53:54,092 --> 05:53:57,831
the second scenario. Essentially what it's saying is Councillor approved

4104
05:53:57,871 --> 05:54:00,551
a plan and principle direct us to work with scenario

4105
05:54:00,572 --> 05:54:04,231
two. And in the meantime, see if there appropriate for

4106
05:54:04,252 --> 05:54:07,671
the 2027 budget, but the way that Councillor Somerville has

4107
05:54:07,711 --> 05:54:11,031
proposed the amendment, we're fine. I have no concerns and

4108
05:54:11,071 --> 05:54:14,151
it wouldn't preclude us from identifying anything relevant in that

4109
05:54:14,172 --> 05:54:17,351
2027 budget. That's not tied to a 10 year plan

4110
05:54:17,452 --> 05:54:21,430
or a specific scenario. And just, just to be clear

4111
05:54:21,451 --> 05:54:24,870
again, this is provincial regulation that we're complying with, right?

4112
05:54:24,870 --> 05:54:30,870
So whether the population doesn't want us to do, like

4113
05:54:30,870 --> 05:54:35,270
doesn't want to spend money on green infrastructure, the province

4114
05:54:36,331 --> 05:54:40,070
is requiring municipalities to think about that in our long

4115
05:54:40,091 --> 05:54:43,430
- range financial plans, because the province recognises the value

4116
05:54:43,451 --> 05:54:47,510
of green infrastructure and the impact that it has on

4117
05:54:47,550 --> 05:54:54,074
municipal finances. Is that correct. That's correct, Councillor. Thank you.

4118
05:54:56,494 --> 05:55:00,873
Council Gamble. Just to clarifying a question. Did we remove

4119
05:55:00,913 --> 05:55:06,841
the reference to the 800, 000 dollars. Is that now

4120
05:55:06,881 --> 05:55:11,762
removed? Yeah, it was net, if I can speak for

4121
05:55:11,863 --> 05:55:20,769
the chair. It was never in the recommendations Councillor. Okay.

4122
05:55:20,870 --> 05:55:27,017
Um. My problem is that if we're approving things before

4123
05:55:27,198 --> 05:55:30,377
we actually, I can, I can agree with it in

4124
05:55:30,377 --> 05:55:34,937
principle, but the problem is if we're approving for things

4125
05:55:35,278 --> 05:55:41,817
without knowing exactly what services projects or tangible outcomes, I

4126
05:55:41,817 --> 05:55:45,177
mean, I find that difficult. I mean, if we're planting

4127
05:55:45,198 --> 05:55:48,777
a whole lot of new trees, they would presumably create

4128
05:55:49,278 --> 05:55:55,537
a whole new additional, um, ecosystem of financial obligations. So.

4129
05:55:56,580 --> 05:55:59,279
I'm just, uh, I'm just afraid of a mission creep

4130
05:55:59,300 --> 05:56:03,199
that we're committing to all these, um, without seeing a

4131
05:56:03,220 --> 05:56:07,759
plan. It's difficult to commit to it. Because if we're

4132
05:56:07,759 --> 05:56:14,799
committing to something, that'll actually increase our financial obligations down

4133
05:56:14,820 --> 05:56:17,919
the road that is unsustainable. That would be a problem.

4134
05:56:20,335 --> 05:56:23,194
All right. You can see the text on the screen.

4135
05:56:23,194 --> 05:56:25,594
Sorry. Council King. Yeah. Chair, alone. I had a chance

4136
05:56:25,594 --> 05:56:29,346
to read it. I'm satisfied with this change. It removes

4137
05:56:29,346 --> 05:56:34,829
any reference to recommending scenario two. And it's, uh. Attend

4138
05:56:34,869 --> 05:56:39,363
800, 000 dollar price tag. And also eliminates any considering

4139
05:56:39,384 --> 05:56:42,825
a practical actions in advance. With a budget. It just

4140
05:56:42,846 --> 05:56:45,945
literally just, uh, producer report. So I'll remove my differral

4141
05:56:45,985 --> 05:56:49,865
and I'll be prepared to support this recommendation. Thank you.

4142
05:56:51,819 --> 05:56:55,638
All right. So we have the recommendation on the floor.

4143
05:56:55,638 --> 05:56:59,238
Does everyone happy with, with, uh, with Councillor Samuel suggestion.

4144
05:57:00,371 --> 05:57:04,985
Recommendation. All right. So, um, if everyone's okay with that,

4145
05:57:04,985 --> 05:57:10,138
um, all in favor, new recommendation from Councillor Sonnenville. And

4146
05:57:10,159 --> 05:57:12,538
that is carried. Thank you very much. That was quite

4147
05:57:13,599 --> 05:57:14,058
a conversation.

4148
05:57:31,374 --> 05:57:34,073
All right. Um, the last item that I, that I

4149
05:57:34,073 --> 05:57:38,453
have here, which was under the, uh, consent item. And

4150
05:57:38,654 --> 05:57:48,583
it's, uh. Eight point six, which is 2027, budget approach

4151
05:57:48,844 --> 05:57:52,978
and process. And this is referring to the memorandum number

4152
05:57:53,959 --> 05:57:59,789
CES. 2026 005 is to provide Council with overview of

4153
05:57:59,810 --> 05:58:03,469
the approach and process being undertaken in the development of

4154
05:58:03,730 --> 05:58:11,470
the towns 2027 budget. Council Garnel. Yes, thank you, Chair.

4155
05:58:11,470 --> 05:58:13,950
It feels like perhaps a lifetime ago that I held

4156
05:58:13,990 --> 05:58:20,086
this report. I actually have two questions. One is to

4157
05:58:20,126 --> 05:58:25,526
the treasurer. And it's regarding the zero - based budgeting

4158
05:58:25,566 --> 05:58:29,742
approach as well as the critical needs framework. And I'm

4159
05:58:29,742 --> 05:58:32,942
wondering if you can tell us about these approaches and

4160
05:58:33,043 --> 05:58:35,982
why staff are recommending we go in that direction this

4161
05:58:36,003 --> 05:58:44,393
time. Through the chair to the Councillor. Great question. So,

4162
05:58:44,393 --> 05:58:48,633
uh, we're looking at it from a different lens this

4163
05:58:48,673 --> 05:58:51,833
year. So typically you would have your, uh, your base

4164
05:58:51,873 --> 05:58:56,073
budget from the prior year. And you would, uh, review

4165
05:58:56,414 --> 05:58:59,113
actual spending and see if you were in line with

4166
05:58:59,153 --> 05:59:02,953
the budget and tweak where necessary. Um, which is a

4167
05:59:02,953 --> 05:59:05,973
good approach, but also, uh, sometimes the needs of the

4168
05:59:05,973 --> 05:59:08,953
municipality change. So we're kind of, uh, looking at the

4169
05:59:08,974 --> 05:59:11,573
budget from the ground up this year to justify, uh,

4170
05:59:12,094 --> 05:59:16,473
the expenses based on our current service needs, uh, ensure

4171
05:59:16,513 --> 05:59:20,393
that, uh, what I would call base budget creep isn't

4172
05:59:20,433 --> 05:59:25,993
happening and that spending is aligned with the Council priorities.

4173
05:59:25,993 --> 05:59:29,695
And the current demand. It doesn't mean that we're rebuilding

4174
05:59:29,695 --> 05:59:32,415
the entire budget from scratch. Uh, it just means we're

4175
05:59:32,436 --> 05:59:34,335
taking a little bit more of a rigorous look at

4176
05:59:34,335 --> 05:59:37,615
the programs and service levels. Um, to confirm that they

4177
05:59:37,636 --> 05:59:42,605
deliver the value as an expected for the residents. With

4178
05:59:42,645 --> 05:59:46,845
respect to the critical needs framework, uh, we're reviewing requests

4179
05:59:47,426 --> 05:59:51,245
based on the legislative requirements, uh, health and safety obligations

4180
05:59:51,666 --> 05:59:54,765
and core service needs and ensuring that they still align

4181
05:59:54,805 --> 05:59:58,525
with, uh, the current Council priorities, uh, but understanding those

4182
05:59:58,626 --> 06:00:01,165
Council priorities may change in the next term of Council

4183
06:00:01,346 --> 06:00:07,389
when the Strategic plan is once again updated. And I'm

4184
06:00:07,389 --> 06:00:10,429
very supportive of this approach. And I'm wondering when it's

4185
06:00:10,469 --> 06:00:14,589
presented to Council, will you have a visual cue that

4186
06:00:14,629 --> 06:00:19,629
these are, uh, legislative requirements. These are core services like

4187
06:00:19,669 --> 06:00:24,829
something so that we can easily see which budget asks

4188
06:00:26,610 --> 06:00:30,229
are in those different categories that you mentioned. We can

4189
06:00:30,229 --> 06:00:31,989
take that back and ensure that we have some sort

4190
06:00:31,989 --> 06:00:35,829
of, uh, information in the budget package that, uh, speaks

4191
06:00:35,930 --> 06:00:41,276
to that. Okay. Thank you. And then, um, I have

4192
06:00:41,316 --> 06:00:44,476
a question for the commissioner of transportation and public works.

4193
06:00:45,431 --> 06:00:48,850
And this goes back to a conversation that Councillor Norris

4194
06:00:48,871 --> 06:00:51,650
and Councillor Fogel and I had with residents on James

4195
06:00:51,650 --> 06:00:56,450
Street regarding the redesign of a sidewalk and just confirming

4196
06:00:56,471 --> 06:01:00,450
that that project will be considered in the budget process.

4197
06:01:03,495 --> 06:01:07,394
Thank you through the chair to the Councillor. Uh, yeah,

4198
06:01:07,394 --> 06:01:10,194
so that project has been identified by staff. It'll be

4199
06:01:10,215 --> 06:01:13,874
considered as part of our capital planning program. Um, can't

4200
06:01:13,914 --> 06:01:16,354
commit. It'll come forward necessarily this year, but it is

4201
06:01:16,695 --> 06:01:20,194
identified in the needs, uh, within the municipality. So each

4202
06:01:20,234 --> 06:01:22,514
year, each budget process will go through and look for

4203
06:01:22,554 --> 06:01:25,954
opportunities to, um, when the right time would be and

4204
06:01:25,954 --> 06:01:28,594
when that can be incorporated. So it's identified. It's in

4205
06:01:28,594 --> 06:01:30,194
our plan, but we do have a very long list

4206
06:01:30,234 --> 06:01:39,991
of needs within it. Thank you very much. Councillor

4207
06:01:40,031 --> 06:01:45,250
Brass, you have a question. Yes. Thank you chair for

4208
06:01:45,250 --> 06:01:47,810
you. I'm just, uh, I have a couple of questions.

4209
06:01:47,810 --> 06:01:52,610
And the first would be to maybe, uh, commissioner Rahill.

4210
06:01:52,610 --> 06:01:56,130
And that would be, uh, with the 2027 or with

4211
06:01:56,130 --> 06:01:58,650
the new term coming up and some new councillors, et

4212
06:01:58,650 --> 06:02:03,164
cetera. How much time will be allocated for members of

4213
06:02:03,265 --> 06:02:09,763
Council to have meaningful discussions around the budget. And impactful

4214
06:02:09,763 --> 06:02:12,323
way instead of, well, again, will it come to them

4215
06:02:12,424 --> 06:02:14,643
pre - baked as usual, or will they actually have

4216
06:02:15,224 --> 06:02:23,288
some input. Uh, through the chair, the Councillor, um, so

4217
06:02:23,549 --> 06:02:27,208
the budget will be tabled under the Strong Mayor Powers

4218
06:02:27,389 --> 06:02:31,848
framework, which, uh, requires the mayor to table it by

4219
06:02:31,888 --> 06:02:36,968
February 1st of the year for the budget. With this

4220
06:02:37,008 --> 06:02:40,808
being an election year, um, the timeline that we've put

4221
06:02:40,829 --> 06:02:44,328
together will have a little bit of additional time from

4222
06:02:44,349 --> 06:02:47,928
what we're used to seeing with the budget being before

4223
06:02:48,269 --> 06:02:52,728
you in early December. So Council, the election will be

4224
06:02:52,749 --> 06:02:58,008
at the end of, uh, October, uh, with meeting scheduled

4225
06:02:58,008 --> 06:03:01,688
to tentatively take place with the incoming mayor, uh, post

4226
06:03:01,728 --> 06:03:04,968
election. And then there'll be Council Orientation through the middle

4227
06:03:05,008 --> 06:03:10,943
of, uh, November. Along with other meetings with, uh, senior

4228
06:03:10,943 --> 06:03:15,103
staff and members of Council, which will then follow along

4229
06:03:15,204 --> 06:03:18,728
to a budget workshop in the beginning of December. The

4230
06:03:18,728 --> 06:03:22,728
hope is that we'll have the budget documentation ready for

4231
06:03:22,728 --> 06:03:26,071
Council ahead of the Halliday break. So there's time to

4232
06:03:26,092 --> 06:03:30,631
review over the holidays if time permits. Um, affording the

4233
06:03:30,671 --> 06:03:33,511
mayor the opportunity to the table, the budget early in

4234
06:03:33,532 --> 06:03:37,351
January. That would start the 30 day clock, which would,

4235
06:03:37,351 --> 06:03:41,831
uh, bring us to the beginning of February for budget

4236
06:03:41,852 --> 06:03:45,031
committee and the veto period would then take place in

4237
06:03:45,132 --> 06:03:48,311
that early part of February until the budget was fully

4238
06:03:48,332 --> 06:03:53,191
adopted. Council will have the opportunity to, uh, shorten the,

4239
06:03:53,191 --> 06:03:56,931
uh, legislative periods, uh, at the beginning of December, but

4240
06:03:56,931 --> 06:03:59,271
that will, uh, that will come at a later date.

4241
06:03:59,271 --> 06:04:01,671
And it will just, uh, change when the budget becomes

4242
06:04:01,692 --> 06:04:04,551
fully adopted, maybe to be a little bit earlier in

4243
06:04:04,591 --> 06:04:08,471
February. But this is already going to be pushing the

4244
06:04:08,732 --> 06:04:12,611
timelines, uh, quite a bit further than what you, uh,

4245
06:04:12,732 --> 06:04:20,252
normally would see. Okay. And in previous, uh, budget years,

4246
06:04:20,292 --> 06:04:23,452
some have expressed frustration at the short period of time

4247
06:04:23,473 --> 06:04:26,689
in which to analyse a lot of information. Uh, and

4248
06:04:26,689 --> 06:04:29,409
I believe, uh, I believe it was Councillor Somerville that

4249
06:04:29,449 --> 06:04:34,049
made the suggestion at one point that the perhaps the

4250
06:04:34,070 --> 06:04:38,461
capital budget be tabled prior to the operating budget. To

4251
06:04:38,461 --> 06:04:40,381
give, cause I know the pressures in terms of getting

4252
06:04:41,602 --> 06:04:43,981
bids out there, et cetera, for, for, for, for big

4253
06:04:44,021 --> 06:04:47,341
projects. But under strong mayor power, is it possible to

4254
06:04:47,381 --> 06:04:50,541
break them up and have different deadlines for both budgets

4255
06:04:50,802 --> 06:04:56,153
and getting them in under the provincial requirement. Through the

4256
06:04:56,193 --> 06:04:59,673
chair to the Councillor. It's a great question. Um, I

4257
06:04:59,713 --> 06:05:01,353
would have to take it back with the team and

4258
06:05:01,353 --> 06:05:04,073
look at, uh, what that would look like and report

4259
06:05:04,113 --> 06:05:08,793
back to Council and see if it would make sense

4260
06:05:09,374 --> 06:05:12,193
and or is, uh, able to be done. But, uh,

4261
06:05:12,954 --> 06:05:15,493
at this time, I don't, uh, I don't know like

4262
06:05:15,493 --> 06:05:21,574
what that would look like in a process standpoint. Okay.

4263
06:05:21,574 --> 06:05:25,054
And then finally the, uh, the 6. 63 percent. I

4264
06:05:25,054 --> 06:05:28,694
know it's early days, but this is the preliminary target.

4265
06:05:28,694 --> 06:05:32,347
And can you advise. That's just what you're in the

4266
06:05:32,347 --> 06:05:35,046
report. It says just to keep the lights on. But,

4267
06:05:35,046 --> 06:05:38,086
uh, obvious question would be that it's double, that rate

4268
06:05:38,086 --> 06:05:42,067
of inflation. And where is this number coming from. Uh,

4269
06:05:42,328 --> 06:05:44,947
is that really the starting point or is there room

4270
06:05:44,947 --> 06:05:48,867
for Council of 2027 to move the needle on this

4271
06:05:48,907 --> 06:05:55,727
number. Through the chair to the Councillor. So, um, the

4272
06:05:55,908 --> 06:06:00,047
6. 63 percent is a very preliminary outlook. It's not,

4273
06:06:00,047 --> 06:06:03,467
uh, not a proposed budget, not a recommended budget. Um,

4274
06:06:03,467 --> 06:06:06,047
but it does reflect the pressures that are currently known

4275
06:06:06,068 --> 06:06:10,687
at this stage. Um, they're not, uh, these are not

4276
06:06:10,788 --> 06:06:14,687
inflationary. Some of it is inflationary. Yeah. But they're not

4277
06:06:14,727 --> 06:06:18,847
fully inflationary, um, items. In addition to that, many of

4278
06:06:18,847 --> 06:06:22,447
the cost drivers, they don't really align with the national

4279
06:06:22,708 --> 06:06:32,047
inflation rate. Align with contractual obligations and other items like

4280
06:06:32,087 --> 06:06:36,607
insurance. And utilities and so on and so forth. They

4281
06:06:36,607 --> 06:06:38,847
go up at a different pace. Uh, you have your

4282
06:06:38,887 --> 06:06:42,527
labour union. So QP and the fire negotiations or fire

4283
06:06:42,567 --> 06:06:46,667
union, sorry. Um, the increases from those two labour, uh,

4284
06:06:47,028 --> 06:06:51,647
bodies is much higher than that three percent. So three

4285
06:06:51,668 --> 06:06:54,927
percent is a gauge on certain items, but it's not

4286
06:06:55,508 --> 06:06:58,047
the end all be all. And then I would say

4287
06:06:58,068 --> 06:07:01,967
that the several items in that 6. 63 percent that

4288
06:07:03,268 --> 06:07:06,607
are based on prior commitments. So capital projects that have

4289
06:07:06,607 --> 06:07:09,967
been approved in prior budgets. That's the operating side of

4290
06:07:09,967 --> 06:07:16,984
them. Um. I'll leave it there. If that satisfier a

4291
06:07:16,984 --> 06:07:18,664
question or do you want more? Yes. That part. Thank

4292
06:07:18,664 --> 06:07:20,824
you, Chair. Just one more of you. Don't mind. Go

4293
06:07:20,845 --> 06:07:23,932
ahead. Uh. Despawn another question on my head. And that

4294
06:07:23,932 --> 06:07:27,452
would be if, if everything stayed the same, the region,

4295
06:07:27,452 --> 06:07:31,772
uh, police, et cetera, the town at 66. 3. What

4296
06:07:31,772 --> 06:07:33,292
would the blended rate come out to be to staff

4297
06:07:33,332 --> 06:07:37,358
have that number. Through the chair to the councillor? Yeah.

4298
06:07:37,398 --> 06:07:39,838
We have a, uh, we have that estimate. So based

4299
06:07:39,838 --> 06:07:43,598
on what the region is projecting at this point and

4300
06:07:43,598 --> 06:07:46,437
subject to change, uh, further in the budget process. They

4301
06:07:46,477 --> 06:07:51,797
have, uh, a 5. 4 percent combined region and police

4302
06:07:51,818 --> 06:08:01,791
impact. With our, uh, R6. If nothing

4303
06:08:01,812 --> 06:08:07,506
were to change. Thank you, Joey. Thank you, Chair. Yes.

4304
06:08:07,607 --> 06:08:15,667
Council or something else Council. Through the chair to the

4305
06:08:15,768 --> 06:08:18,687
councillor. I just, uh, Mr. Mills. Thank you, sir. Um,

4306
06:08:19,208 --> 06:08:22,387
just in addition to the thing that the, I'll call

4307
06:08:22,387 --> 06:08:25,507
it the assumptions that we've used to provide that estimate.

4308
06:08:25,507 --> 06:08:29,107
We did include also the, uh, the fire levy and

4309
06:08:29,208 --> 06:08:31,507
the state of good repair levy, which I believe gets

4310
06:08:31,688 --> 06:08:37,281
close to 1. 7. - ish percent. So that's in

4311
06:08:37,382 --> 06:08:40,001
there already. So when you, when you look at sort

4312
06:08:40,001 --> 06:08:42,961
of, if you took out those special levees, uh, then

4313
06:08:42,961 --> 06:08:46,641
we're starting to get down into the four high fours.

4314
06:08:46,641 --> 06:08:49,201
Uh, before we start to really get into that detailed

4315
06:08:49,382 --> 06:08:53,521
analysis that, uh, that Councillor Garnell last about on the

4316
06:08:53,622 --> 06:08:55,361
zero - based budgeting and they're looking at the critical

4317
06:08:55,462 --> 06:08:59,201
elements, this is really, our goal was not, again, and

4318
06:08:59,222 --> 06:09:03,281
I think Joey, sorry, the treasurer outlined it really well.

4319
06:09:03,281 --> 06:09:05,041
This, this isn't a target in any way. This is

4320
06:09:05,041 --> 06:09:10,061
just preliminary estimates based on what we know today. And.

4321
06:09:10,900 --> 06:09:14,319
We felt it very important to be able to transparently

4322
06:09:14,420 --> 06:09:16,719
show all of those numbers now so that there was

4323
06:09:16,759 --> 06:09:26,040
no confusion later on. Thank you. Great Council Serumville. Well,

4324
06:09:26,061 --> 06:09:28,120
it's four of a comment, Mr. Chair, and it was

4325
06:09:28,160 --> 06:09:31,560
disappointment that you get to page five before it even

4326
06:09:31,600 --> 06:09:36,070
mentions that the strong mayor's budget. It should have been

4327
06:09:36,411 --> 06:09:40,390
in the title because that's how the budget process is.

4328
06:09:40,390 --> 06:09:41,750
It's a lot of it is out of the hands

4329
06:09:41,790 --> 06:09:45,976
of Council. And I do appreciate that the treasurer's response

4330
06:09:45,997 --> 06:09:49,336
mentioned that, uh, I think that's an important part for

4331
06:09:49,376 --> 06:09:52,116
anyone who is looking at the budget is that, uh,

4332
06:09:52,717 --> 06:09:57,724
the budget process has changed dramatically. Into the undemocratic strong

4333
06:09:57,745 --> 06:10:01,404
mayor powers that the province has instilled upon us in

4334
06:10:01,404 --> 06:10:10,664
their infinite wisdom. Thank you Council Songhill. Madam Mayor. Yeah.

4335
06:10:10,664 --> 06:10:14,264
Thanks very much, Mr. Chair. And I'm wondering if staff

4336
06:10:14,304 --> 06:10:16,744
could describe a little bit more about the zero -

4337
06:10:16,744 --> 06:10:21,395
based budgeting approach. I quite like this approach too. Um,

4338
06:10:21,836 --> 06:10:27,095
it is probably more work than we've been used to

4339
06:10:27,276 --> 06:10:32,758
in the last few years. And, um, it's my sense

4340
06:10:32,798 --> 06:10:37,798
that it does, as you described, provide a bit of

4341
06:10:37,838 --> 06:10:42,678
a ground up analysis of ensuring that the programs that

4342
06:10:42,939 --> 06:10:48,598
were funding are truly delivering the kinds of services and

4343
06:10:48,638 --> 06:10:53,238
so forth that we want. I'm wondering when staff do

4344
06:10:53,499 --> 06:10:58,771
present the budget to Council. And I think this picks

4345
06:10:58,771 --> 06:11:01,571
up a little bit on Councillor Brass'comment about the amount

4346
06:11:01,611 --> 06:11:10,129
of time needed. To really delve into the budget with

4347
06:11:10,390 --> 06:11:14,929
some vigour. Will staff be able to provide some comparative

4348
06:11:15,030 --> 06:11:23,729
analysis about, um, uh, and rankings, perhaps, that show the

4349
06:11:24,390 --> 06:11:28,161
cost of various programs. And what the impacts might be

4350
06:11:28,902 --> 06:11:32,968
if we kept them in or took them out. And

4351
06:11:33,069 --> 06:11:37,288
this could range anything from grass cutting to road paving

4352
06:11:39,149 --> 06:11:46,793
to recreation programs to capital investments. Is that something when

4353
06:11:46,894 --> 06:11:50,442
you're doing the zero - based budgeting approach. You would

4354
06:11:50,442 --> 06:11:57,791
be able to share with Council. At some level. Through

4355
06:11:57,791 --> 06:12:00,891
the chair to the mayor, um, great question a lot

4356
06:12:00,891 --> 06:12:03,911
to unpack in that question. Um, we are going to

4357
06:12:03,911 --> 06:12:05,871
have to take it back and think about it that

4358
06:12:05,911 --> 06:12:09,551
a little bit. One of the comments I can make

4359
06:12:09,652 --> 06:12:14,031
right now is, uh, we don't, uh, currently track things

4360
06:12:14,052 --> 06:12:17,752
on, I shouldn't say track. It's the wrong word. We

4361
06:12:18,013 --> 06:12:21,192
in a full program by program manner. We don't allocate

4362
06:12:21,213 --> 06:12:24,792
overhead to programs in that manner. We're not set up

4363
06:12:24,792 --> 06:12:27,592
to do so. Um, it's something that we've talked about

4364
06:12:28,093 --> 06:12:30,872
and we're looking to move in somewhat of that direction.

4365
06:12:30,872 --> 06:12:33,672
So we won't have all the information at our fingertips

4366
06:12:33,712 --> 06:12:35,672
to be able to look at it from that lens.

4367
06:12:36,380 --> 06:12:38,759
Um, but other than that, I would have to take

4368
06:12:38,759 --> 06:12:42,654
it back and, uh, discuss that with the team. Well,

4369
06:12:42,835 --> 06:12:48,334
and just, I mean, I'm conscious. Like switching budgeting systems,

4370
06:12:48,334 --> 06:12:51,214
which is I think kind of what you're suggesting is

4371
06:12:51,235 --> 06:12:56,167
a bit of a deal. Um, administratively. And, and while

4372
06:12:56,167 --> 06:13:00,167
I said, I like the approach. I'm conscious that it's

4373
06:13:00,268 --> 06:13:05,447
probably a significant amount of work. And, um, but by

4374
06:13:05,468 --> 06:13:09,447
the same token, having some of that analysis available to

4375
06:13:09,487 --> 06:13:14,227
members of Council to be able to really, you know,

4376
06:13:14,268 --> 06:13:20,407
as we said, drill down and understand how, how various

4377
06:13:20,447 --> 06:13:24,887
services and programs are ranked, whether it be legislated, whether

4378
06:13:25,068 --> 06:13:28,247
it be risk management, whether it be insurance, whether it

4379
06:13:28,287 --> 06:13:31,607
be, you know, program, whether it be high need demand,

4380
06:13:31,607 --> 06:13:35,127
whether, you know, those are all the rankings that we,

4381
06:13:35,148 --> 06:13:39,847
that we refer to. I guess I'm curious to know

4382
06:13:39,887 --> 06:13:41,767
how much of that you might be able to share

4383
06:13:41,788 --> 06:13:47,687
with Council as you're implementing this budgeting system.

4384
06:13:54,906 --> 06:13:57,765
Through the chair of the mayor. Yeah, I can take

4385
06:13:57,765 --> 06:14:00,965
that back with the team. It is, it's definitely more

4386
06:14:01,386 --> 06:14:06,325
time consuming this time around. It is a different way

4387
06:14:06,346 --> 06:14:08,965
of thinking about it. Where, like I said, we're not

4388
06:14:08,986 --> 06:14:13,765
rebuilding the entire budget we're looking at certain programs in

4389
06:14:13,765 --> 06:14:18,005
a different lens just to kind of check the way

4390
06:14:18,106 --> 06:14:23,194
we're budgeting. And I'll leave it at that. Great. Looking

4391
06:14:23,215 --> 06:14:26,507
forward to it. Thank you. I see no other questions.

4392
06:14:26,507 --> 06:14:29,067
Council Garnot, you held this. Would you like to move

4393
06:14:29,568 --> 06:14:33,885
this item. Councillor Nova's moved, only favor. Carried.

4394
06:14:42,750 --> 06:14:44,569
All right, I need a motion to adjourn back to

4395
06:14:44,609 --> 06:14:49,274
Councillarno, only favor. Done.

4396
06:17:24,559 --> 06:17:28,371
All right. So you. May want to explain to those

4397
06:17:28,392 --> 06:17:36,883
listening. At home. Because. We don't have another Council meet.

4398
06:17:37,082 --> 06:17:44,051
Until after the election. Okay. So some of the items

4399
06:17:44,072 --> 06:17:48,291
from general committee were identified as being time sensitive, needing

4400
06:17:48,312 --> 06:17:51,971
immediate action by Council tonight. And in fact, every item

4401
06:17:52,072 --> 06:17:56,531
was because of the timing of this agenda and the

4402
06:17:56,531 --> 06:18:01,576
fact that this is our last formal meeting. Scheduled meeting

4403
06:18:03,837 --> 06:18:06,456
before the election. So the details of these items can

4404
06:18:06,496 --> 06:18:10,738
be found. In section 9 of today's agenda. And it

4405
06:18:10,778 --> 06:18:14,258
has been moved by Councillor Hillson, seconded by Councillor Garneau.

4406
06:18:15,030 --> 06:18:19,489
That the recommendations contained in the following immediate action item

4407
06:18:19,590 --> 06:18:25,409
reports from Monday, June 22nd, 2026 general committee meeting are

4408
06:18:25,409 --> 06:18:33,514
hereby adopted. Reported MIN 2026 - 023 as amended. Report

4409
06:18:33,855 --> 06:18:40,373
at MIN 2026 - 024 as amended. Report CENS 2026

4410
06:18:40,554 --> 06:18:47,074
- 017 is presented. CES 2026 - 018 is presented.

4411
06:18:48,425 --> 06:18:55,762
CSE 2026 - 014 as presented. CSE 2026 - 015

4412
06:18:56,183 --> 06:19:04,611
as amended. CSE 2026 - 027 as presented. CSE 2026

4413
06:19:04,792 --> 06:19:11,742
- 028 is presented. PD - 2026 - 042 as

4414
06:19:11,742 --> 06:19:18,683
presented. PD - 2026 - 054 as presented. PD -

4415
06:19:18,723 --> 06:19:24,577
2026 - 056 is presented. PD - 2026 - 057

4416
06:19:25,318 --> 06:19:32,180
as presented. PD - 2026 - 060 is presented. PD

4417
06:19:32,201 --> 06:19:38,015
- 2026 - 067 as presented. PD - 2026 -

4418
06:19:38,356 --> 06:19:46,018
069 as presented. PD - 2026 - 070 as presented.

4419
06:19:46,831 --> 06:19:52,199
PD - 2026 - 072 is presented. PD - 2026

4420
06:19:52,220 --> 06:19:58,737
- 075 as presented. PD - 2026 - 076 is

4421
06:19:58,777 --> 06:20:06,538
presented PD - 2026 - 073 as amended. Mamosi -

4422
06:20:06,538 --> 06:20:14,560
SE - 2026 - 010 as presented. MO - CSE

4423
06:20:14,661 --> 06:20:22,388
- 026 - 005 as presented, all in favor. That

4424
06:20:22,388 --> 06:20:23,828
is carried unanimously.

4425
06:20:34,913 --> 06:20:39,852
Okay, so we now need to move into closed session.

4426
06:20:40,754 --> 06:20:44,253
We still have a few items in order to address.

4427
06:20:45,654 --> 06:20:48,979
And so could I have a motion. Councillor Kinbaum, all

4428
06:20:48,979 --> 06:20:53,288
in favor. That is carried and will take a five

4429
06:20:53,328 --> 06:20:58,808
- minute recess in order to switch screens and adjust

4430
06:20:59,309 --> 06:21:00,248
our broadcast.