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Okay, time to continue the meeting. I guess, do we got to make note as Marchant stepped back?

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Okay, so make note that he's no longer with us, if he comes back, we can chart that again. Okay, we'll start with the pledge of allegiance.

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Okay, time to continue.

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Okay, we'll start this meeting off with an indication by Reverend Nashon Russo from the St. Paul's Episcopal Church.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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It's great to be back.

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I just thought I'd mention, in St. Paul's, this year, we're celebrating our 200th anniversary.

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1822 was when the church started just being used as a church, and was deeded to the

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observable diocese of Virginia, so we've had services ever since that continues.

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So, one of the ways we're celebrating is all this Sunday through its September, October, we're

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a little announcements, historical briefs about highlights, the church and the town and the history mixed together.

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Nathan, are you all right?

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Only the good ones, I hope.

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Yeah, only the good ones.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Let's go.

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Let's go.

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Let's go.

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The Lord be with you.

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How's it with you?

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Let us agree.

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It's horse of all being, it was given us this good land, our heritage, we humbly

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besieged that we make always crew ourselves, a people mindful, your favorite glad to

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do your will.

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Thus our land with honorable industries, sound learning good manners, defend our liberties,

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fashion into one unit of people, the multitudes brought together out of many nations and

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tons.

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Bill, with the spirit of wisdom, those to whom we entrust the authority of government, and

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there may be justice and peace at home, the time of prosperity and fill our hearts with

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thankfulness, and the day of trouble, suffered on our trust and use of fail.

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We commend our town of Hamarket to your merciful care, that being guided by our providence,

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we may dwell, secure and goodwill.

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Grant to our town council and staff, police department, all in authority,

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respired of wisdom, charity, justice.

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It was steadfast purpose.

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They made faithfully serve in their offices to promote the well-being of all people.

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They entrust your care as many works of kindness in our area,

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especially the moms and children and the volunteers of charitable term.

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And the clients and volunteers that hand work in regional food pantry.

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On this sixth day of September the day of their labor day,

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as we return to work in school following the summer months,

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read that your spirit may guide and inspire our thoughts, words and actions

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to promote the dignity of freedom of each person,

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and guide us in the way of kindness and compassion.

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He asked this prayer and all our prayers, people in our hearts, in your name.

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Thank you. Thank you for coming.

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Okay next on the agenda is the community spotlight.

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We have here Jenny Green from Alex's Army. I'd like to welcome her and thank her for the beautiful

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you, Mayor and Vice Mayor and council members for having us out again to share with you.

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My name is Jenny Green. I am the co-founder of Alex's Army, Childe Cancer Foundation here in Hamarket.

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I feel honored to be here. I love that you guys are doing the community spotlight.

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and I listen to some of a Haymarket Food Pantry and just for us to be recognized alongside

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with them and all of the organizations that are in our community doing great things.

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We just I appreciate this platform to be able to share.

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I know you guys are familiar with our story and my son Alex, so I just wanted to share

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about our mission again, but then also some of the new things that we have been doing with

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Alex's Army through the pandemic and going forward.

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So, Alex's Army was started in 2014 with the mission to fund research, with a focus on

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Wilms tumor, to raise awareness for all child care cancers, and to provide support for the child

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cancer community, especially families in our area across the country.

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So when my son Alex was diagnosed

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two to five years old, and this was in 2009, one month into kindergarten. And we learned over

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the seven years that he fought, just the realities of what families go through and what our

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children go through. We learned that, you know, the treatments that they received are not

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new. These have been around for 40 years and a lot of the same team with AirBees that he

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was given are what adults receive in their treatment. So it was very eye-opening to our family

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as we kind of learned this whole other world of child cancer. So since 2014, Alex's Army has been

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able to provide $550,000 in research funding for child

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cancers.

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A few years ago, we named Dr. Jeffrey Dome, who

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is one of the world's leading Williams-Tumers Specialists,

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as our part of our research advisory team.

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funding is called the rest of the therapy trial.

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When Alex was in treatment, there were no immunotherapies for his type of cancer.

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We always asked about it because it was in the news for leukemia, then other cancers,

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but it just wasn't there for solid tumors.

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And after Alex passed away, our foundation had $100,000 to provide for research funding.

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And it's just so not a coincidence, there was a the rest of the university trial had just

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was just coming into, I guess, play, you know, they were working on it and looking for funding.

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kids. We always say that every dollar makes a difference, and you know, I realized that

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you know, while $440,000 is an incredible amount for a small, all-volunteer, all-volunteer

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organization like ours. You know, in the realm of medical research, it's not very much.

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However, last week I was invited to a ceremony where children had just received a grant of $25 million in research funding because of the work that they were able to do on the rest of the therapy trial.

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So that was an amazing overwhelming emotional moment to be a part of that and just to really see first hand how, you know, every dollar truly is making an impact and to hear them talk about how in the next decade.

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You know, their hope is to bring this immunotherapy as a frontline treatment for solid tumor, pediatric solid tumors.

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So, I wanted to share that because that was really great news, you know, in our world,

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and, you know, obviously part of our mission is to raise awareness, and we have always been so grateful to the town for allowing us to put up the gold ribbons throughout town for the month of September, which is how the kids are wearing this month.

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And we had to do other things like we held a Guinness World Record event this last year at Battlefield

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High School to try to break a Guinness World Record for the most people performing push-ups.

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We had to break 100 people.

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We didn't break the record, but it was just an amazing day where we and by all of the families in our area to be honored.

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You know, to show how a community really does come together for families who are going through so much.

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We also honored police and fire at this event and emergency response personnel because they are such a huge part of our world as well.

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So, and then we, you know, our mission to providing support where, you know, through during COVID we haven't been able to go into the hospitals and that still hasn't.

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We still haven't been able to, we're hoping to soon.

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So it became a little bit more difficult to really meet new families and try to get that connection

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with them.

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But we continued care packages, pillow cases, all the things we could do, making masks, food

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delivery, and that kind of leads me to like some of the new things we're doing.

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So a few years back, we started our love in pickles, meals ministry.

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It's called Love in Pickles, because one we just were serving love in pickles

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because Alice loved pickles.

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And so the kind of the, behind the name, but just in the last few years we have been able

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to provide meals for 10 families in our Hamarket, Gainesville, Brazil area, 190 meals.

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And then we also do grocery, so we do a big BJ's ride at the end of our meal train for

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family, fill up a bunch of carts with their favorite things and essentials, and drop

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that off at the end of the meal train, and that's been something that I know is needed

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as a mom, like trying to figure out grocery shopping, and meal, it's hard enough when you're

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not going through something like that, but when you add, seeing your spouse back and

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in transition and and being in the hospital it's just we know that that's a way that we can help as well.

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And then just in the last year we announced Green and Gold Athletics Theater scholarships for children

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for athletes who are impacted by childhood cancers. Alex was an athlete.

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And he didn't let anything stop them, you know, when he was in the wheelchair he played wheelchair basketball, sled hockey, that was his who he was.

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And so we were looking at for a way to financially help, you know, besides research financially helped families.

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And we came up with the scholarship.

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And so the first year, last year, we were able to provide three scholarships to local,

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Hamarket students, to at Battlefield High School, and we provide collegiate scholarship,

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but then also scholarship for just travel expenses, equipment, things like that.

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So there's two different types of scholarships we offer, and then this year we awarded eight scholarships.

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We get funding for these scholarships by partnering with local youth sports organizations.

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So like this Saturday, Grizzly Football is having their Alex's Army Bowl games.

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So all of the funds raised there will support our scholarships.

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And then we also came up with a bucket of on-program where high schools,

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the basketball teams raised money by shooting free throws.

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So all of those events are supporting our scholarship program, which is really exciting, and, you know, we're just super proud of that,

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Yeah, so I just want to thank you guys.

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I did invite some of our families to come out, so we do have quite a few Haymarket families that are going through treatment,

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who have gone through treatment and, you know, the reality is with this being child

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a cancer awareness month. I think that it's important to know that child a cancer

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isn't as rare as we all, you know, would like for it to be. And in our local high

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schools, you know, there are several families that all of them who are either going

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to it right now, or have recently.

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So, I'm not sure, Michelle.

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So one of our families is here.

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Michelle Leabel would like to share, if that's okay.

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And she has a friend with her, I don't know.

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So she's a foreign exchange student who loves

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criminal justice.

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So she's getting, you know, some experience here too,

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as well that I'm sure I do.

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My name's Michelle Leabel.

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I didn't really know I was going to be speaking tonight, but my daughter Kendall was diagnosed

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in June of 2021 with a very rare form of lymphoma and we were very lucky that it was

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treatable and she's been in remission since November last year but for any 15 year old four months

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intense chemo is horrible and after a year of COVID and being home for her freshman year of high school

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she felt very alone she didn't feel like anyone cared and invisible and at the time I didn't

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know Jenny although Kendall went to gravely where Alex went so we had always heard about Alex

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And another, I don't know, an amazing volunteer with Alex's army, John Heeter heard about us and reached out and said, what can we do? And I said, insurance is paying the bills. We're lucky there. We have enough money to feed ourselves. We're good there. But my kid needs help. She's lonely. And these women reached out to the dance teams they kind of was on. They reached out to the dance teams.

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school she's been to in the past and she had not stepped foot in battlefield yet so they didn't

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know her and the last two rounds of chemo. Kindle would be in the hospital for six days at a time

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for chemo every three weeks and the last at least two rounds they set up signs as we left our neighborhood

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in Dominion Valley, Kendall, you've got this, and every round there were more signs.

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And then the very last day of chemo coming home, they threw her a parade at battlefield.

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And there were sports teams there, our church was there, Alex's army was there with a

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gazillion balloons that we took the wrong turn at this, but they were there for us and

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for Kendall every step of the way, and they still are.

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Um, so I never thought I'd be in this position.

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Um, my kid was healthy.

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She danced eight hours two weeks before.

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She was diagnosed with a tumor the size of a tissue box.

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We had no clue if she was sick.

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And unfortunately, that's the case for a lot of cancer families.

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So fortunately, our community has Alex's army to be there for us when we meet it.

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Thank you.

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And Kendall can't be here because she's a dance.

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So it's good.

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It's our life.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So anyway, just thank you guys for giving us

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this opportunity to share.

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And we're just going to keep doing what we do.

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So thank you.

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You guys have any questions?

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So we have questions.

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Thank you.

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as well.

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First of all, I applaud you for what you're doing.

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I think it's a wonderful thing.

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Can I ask which form of lymphoma your daughter has?

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Large B cell.

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Yep, large B cell.

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You know, kids are getting more and more lymphomas that I happen to know, because I have it myself.

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So I understand.

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Can we get together afterwards?

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Can I get your contact in full and reach out?

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But keep doing what you're doing. It's a great thing. Research is where it's very much.

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Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, we just remain prayerful that we will seek yours in our lifetime.

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And, you know, either way, whether we, whether this is the cure or it eliminates this and we find something else.

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You know, we just start staying positive and...

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Exactly. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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And thanks for the goodies.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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But he also wants to bring cake and cookies with me.

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You didn't know, Pat?

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Everyone settled?

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We'll move on.

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We have a continuation of the public hearing we were having last meeting.

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Emily, did you want me to announce the status of that?

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Mr. Wilson, it's open.

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We have, it's open and advertised.

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I think we have to ask if anybody wants to speak to that, if not then we can close the

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matter.

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We can close the public hearing and close the matter if nobody wants to speak.

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And if somebody doesn't need to speak to it, somebody's here to address it.

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Yeah, this is the open meeting for the zoning text amendment.

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Do we have anybody in public to, as a comment they want to make any emails?

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So I'm assuming that we can close the meeting.

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close the area.

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Okay. Mr. Mayor, without objection, I would move with the

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draw-all of the zoning text amendment for 6712 Jefferson Street.

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Any objections?

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With drawn. May I make it a vote?

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By our formation. Since you didn't make it a motion, let's do the column

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favor? I do you want a roll call?

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Roll call?

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Yeah, it's a land use case we'd better do it Bob.

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Roll call?

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Yeah.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Yes.

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OK.

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Move on to the next meeting.

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The fiscal year 2022 surplus presentation.

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I think you can do it from the beginning.

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So tonight we're going to be discussing the fiscal year 2022 surplus discussion.

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question.

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Anybody need lights? Okay.

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So our key discussion points this evening are going

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to be regarding the town surplus. They proposed real estate tax refund, capital improvement,

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projects, and future revenue forecast for the town.

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The Uber is going to hit the light.

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So in this presentation, what is the surplus? Basically, it's when revenues exceed expenses.

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Any budget you always want to match have a balanced budget and basically in the situation

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the surplus is created when we collect more revenue versus what we expend out.

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The current surplus, as of August 30th for the town, is a pre-audited number, is 577,748.

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On page 5 here, is just showing highlighting a few reasons why the surplus.

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I

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don't know if you guys want me to go through them every single month, but the majority of it has come.

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Some factors that happen to this is that during COVID and Post COVID, we still had CARES Act funds.

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That we were able to utilize to offset some operational costs, meaning that we were able to use CARES Act funds to purchase items that qualified.

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If we had not had CARES Act, we would have had to pay it from the general fund.

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So, this obviously created us having not to use our funds.

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Also, the past year, we've had a huge increase on sales taxes,

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B polls, which is business license within the town,

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and as well as the meals tax.

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The opportunities, the next page highlights some opportunities

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that we can do what we can do with the surplus for F5-222.

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One of them could be proposed real estate tax refund, the town park sidewalk, the town center

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master plan, and the proposed park building rehabilitation.

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The graph here indicates what on a pie chart what the surplus would look like.

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This is using if we were to propose surplus refund and how much it would be left over for the

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proposed CIP funds.

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We're talking about this proposal.

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Let's say tax refund.

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I believe Council has,

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was in the grants to no more than 250,000.

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The remaining amount would then be used towards the

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geared towards the CIP projects.

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Okay, Roberto.

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For the benefit of our audience, can you explain what CIP

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CIP is?

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Capital improvement projects.

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On page nine,

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what is the real estate tax refund?

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A refund of taxpayers who are asked who are assessed real estate property taxes in any fiscal year in which the town reports a surplus.

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It's also discussed with who qualifies for it.

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In this case, it would be any taxpayer that owns a property as of December 31, 2021.

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I also address the questions, addresses the question as to when they can expect this refund.

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We are estimating to be milled out by November, but it could be changed depending on what council discusses and builds on.

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Roberto, this was addressed at the work session. I don't think everybody was there.

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The reason we're suggesting the real estate tax refund is that that's the one that's provided for within the state code.

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Other types of refunds are not specifically provided for it.

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This one is and they have the parameters by which you can do the refund.

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Some other jurisdictions are going towards offsets and personal property tax and a variety of other things.

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None of which are provided for in the code.

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This is the safest, easiest one to do it.

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That means we're in accordance with the law.

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Page 10 actually gives an estimate of what a townhouse reform will look like versus what a single family

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house reform would look like.

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At any count, this may vary.

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Single family homes differ in sizes and assessment,

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assess pricing.

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As well as townhouses.

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But this is an average.

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So the next page 11 discusses how the reform would be dispersed.

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We are looking at one's council.

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If council approves it, we would go ahead and

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to make this refund happen, and the checks will be milled out to the qualifying property owners.

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This by charge, it's kind of more to readjust what the remaining funds would be used for when it comes to capital improvement projects,

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which will be 51% of the surplus.

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So the proposed capital improvement projects currently are the town park sidewalk, the town center master plan, and the proposed building rehabilitation.

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With

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the Tom Perks sidewalk, as Council has been working through this project for the last several months,

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we are currently in the design phase of it.

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We're getting ready hopefully after tonight to award the design phase contract to the engineer and start work.

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It is projected that it will be a 255 day timeline from that point of awarding the contract.

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We also have an estimated cost update for what is shown on this slide here.

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This slide right now has it at 86,000.

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We're at 89,500 for that design phase.

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What this does is this gets the engineer out here.

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It gets the engineering completed so that we have a full

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site plan to include stormwater for the portion of sidewalk that would connect

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from the Haymarket Baptist Church parking lot all the way to the corner of

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drive so that's the entire frontage of the town park and then around the corner connecting

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up to an existing sidewalk on blight drive. So this just provides better connectivity for

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our park users, pedestrians coming. There's big projects on either end of town, one in town,

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one outside of town and this is going to help with that final linkage there. So what we can do is

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in construction phase. Once we have our site plan we have bonding estimates, we can then utilize

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possible surplus money if we wanted to in that scenario to go out and secure the

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proper funding. We can also look into our art befunding and our grants if applicable.

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The Sound Center Master Plan, another one that we've been working on for years.

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This one is finally coming to a close here on the design phase. So we are currently in

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engineering planning phase.

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We are working with our consultant,

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Rinker Design Associates.

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We hope to be wrapping up with that very soon.

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So we utilized a combination of previous FYCR pluses

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and ARPA funding for the design phase funding.

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And we can look ahead to construction phase funding

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for getting the appropriate loans

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or, again, grants if applicable.

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this site plan so that everyone is aware. The picture here on the right is not

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the best image, but it's what we try to demonstrate.

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It's a top-down view of this building right here on the corner, so it's your town hall. It's the police department.

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It's Washington Street Realty, copper, cricket, and cupcake heaven. What it will entail is the stormwater work

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and all of the curb and gutter to modify our parking lots to be completely paved. Get rid of the gravel in the back,

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provide proper entrances and exits on Washington and Jefferson Street for the main entry into the

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campus, if you will, and then also on the side to have a proper parking lot for the tenant,

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as well as the police department, while still utilizing and opening up the green space in the front

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and making it a nice open space for our community.

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So, the proposed park building rehabilitation,

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This is something that we've kind of doubled on with this council, last council, but this

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council's really taken initiative and wanting to see something done with this part structure.

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So we had the playground installed and it's been very successful and now we're citizens

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are asking for, you know, what's the building going to look like in the future.

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So we are currently in the phase of seeking out a structural engineer to

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come analyze the entirety of the structure.

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Provide us with a report and assessment stating exactly where the deficiencies are and where we need to

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spend the most funding to get it up to a structural standpoint where it is something that we can open up and it has integrity for the long term.

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This is not just the aesthetics, this is the actual bones of the structure, so we are hoping to have those assessment proposals back here very soon so that we can fund those.

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Once we have that in place and we get those reports back, we can then go out to contractors and we can get a better idea of what needs to be done and what those dollar figures look like.

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Again, this is very much in the pre-designed phase, if you will, we need to figure out what's wrong with the building before we can start designing it and coming up with its long-term potential.

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However, at a staff level, we are thinking this would be a great building.

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We already have handicap accessibility to the structure, but it would be a great building to open up for our citizens and residents who need a place to meet for HOA meetings or at day parties, you know, small organizational events,

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Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, et cetera, so that they have a community space that is right here

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located in the town, quick and accessible to everyone.

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And then we would also look in the space of operating exterior restrooms that would service

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the playground area or the park in general for the hours of the park, which is Sunrise Sunset

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following slide, projected additional revenue sources for future fiscal years.

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One of them

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is the debt reduction, our proper funds and the ARPA funds.

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So currently the town does have a

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debt obligation for properties that were purchased for years of a go including this building

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in the park. This is basically laying out how the next three years will look. As you can see it will

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be a significant drop following in two years by half of the debt that we would owe to for

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this loan. The total debt will be 284,929.

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Just so you guys are aware we did when they

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exercise about two years ago. If you have what it will look like over the cost or savings,

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If we have paid the debt as a whole, it turned out that it actually benefited to just

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create it out as it currently is, it really wouldn't change too much.

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What are we at rate-wise right now on that one?

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So we have three.

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One is at 3.25, 2.75, and the other one I have to get back to you, but they're

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really

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Our next slide here is about Prophors or Conditions of Approval, which can be utilized for

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Capital Improvement Projects as we discuss things like the Sidewalk, the Master Plan here

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at Town Hall, or the Presidential Park Building Rehabilitation. Prophors are a condition that's

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voluntarily committed to from a landowner developer when they're trying to pass a rezoning

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package or a new development package within a local jurisdiction and they're trying to eliminate

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that impact of this new development.

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Prophors, again, can be utilized for capital improvement projects.

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We will be receiving Prophors from the Crossroads Village Center Developer

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and we are receiving conditions of approval from the Robinson Village Developer.

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We have started receiving in some of the Robinson Village conditions.

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we do probably expect those to be tidied up and finished being submitted probably within

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two to three months time.

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So I know this is a little bit harder to see here, but this

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just gives a breakdown of what these conditions are submitted for. So we have categories

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that were again voluntarily imposed by the developer, Parks and Recreation, Public Safety,

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transportation, fire and rescue, town administration and schools. So that comes out to a total

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of $19,316 per townhouse for this specific development. In total, that is looking to be 734,000

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for the entirety of the 38 town home development that's going in. The numbers will be very similar

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for the Crossroads Village Center development.

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Once they start, we do have an updated timeline.

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They're hoping that their first town homes

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will be occupied in the March timeframe of 2023.

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So this was clear.

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That is correct.

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So we should start hypothetically if that stays on track.

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We don't know how our winter is going to be with construction,

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but if that stays on track, March April, May June,

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we will be receiving proffers as those townhouses go to occupancy.

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So, we're talking roughly double this from that development.

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That is correct, roughly double.

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So, some of the line items that we're looking at when it comes to this type of money is

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how can we utilize the Parks and Recreation line item for what we want to do at the town park

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or other items in our CIP, as well as transportation.

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Public safety will be earmarked for CIP projects

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that fall under our public safety.

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So please, Department, fire and rescue.

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This money will be set aside in earmarked

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for the county fire and rescue.

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And we will coordinate with them very similar

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to how we coordinate the fire funds that we receive.

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And schools, again, this is a similar way.

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We will reach out to the schools that that neighborhood would serve and we would work with them to figure out what their capital improvements are that they need and we would go

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In coordination and get the funding for them as appropriate

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The American Rescue Plan or ARPA as we call this report

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These are funds that were given federal funds that were meant to assist the continuation of government since public during COVID pandemic and promote public infrastructure

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During these times, we were given the ability due to the amount we were receiving to the

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Claire, one time allowance and revenue loss.

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With this did, it's basically enabled the town to be able to use a funds as they see fit.

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When they were first promoted out, it was mainly structured towards COVID, pandemic,

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and

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It's able to be placed in an operational sense if we need to, without the parameters that the ARPA

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consisted of. Currently, we are holding it on a separate account. I believe the council is still

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meaning to use it towards the infrastructure as a right now. That's what they're meant for.

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The total amount of time received is 1,738,878.

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last slide here to kind of conclude coming from a staff level. The top two questions are

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ones that we feel that our citizens would like to hear answers to or have more information

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from their council and discussion and then we are certainly open for additional discussion

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and questions. I know this comes up later on in the agenda and we do have a public hearing on

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real estate tax refund so we're happy to answer questions now or we can address it and

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under our agenda items as well. I'd rather wait till the discussion. Take the

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title comments and I'm going to announce if there are any.

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Are you good?

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If you want to discuss it now. No, you you're good with waiting.

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Yeah, fine. Okay. Then we'll do it during our agenda line item for it.

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after a public discussion.

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So I guess that's it.

450
00:40:33,940 --> 00:40:35,240
Thank you for the presentation.

451
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,740
We'll move on to the public hearings.

452
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,940
And we'll start off with opening up the public hearing

453
00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:47,160
for the real estate tax refund.

454
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:49,680
Public noticing, I'll speak a little bit, please.

455
00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:55,040
The town of Haymarket will hold a public hearing

456
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,380
on September 6, 2022, beginning at 7 p.m.

457
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,120
at the town of Haymarket Town Hall, 15,000 Washington streets

458
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,820
to meet 100 amorphic Virginia,

459
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:09,720
to zebra 169 and or at other such times

460
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,920
as to which such a herring can be continued.

461
00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:17,940
To consider amending the fiscal year 2022, 2023 budget,

462
00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:21,060
as summarized below, this amendment will increase

463
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:25,540
the adopted budget of the FY22, 23 by refunding

464
00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:30,460
from the general fund $250,000 in surplus real estate tax

465
00:41:30,460 --> 00:41:32,500
revenues from the fiscal year ending

466
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:35,520
and June 20, excuse me, June 30, 2022.

467
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,520
These taxes were collected based on the 2021 tax year,

468
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,020
for which the payment deadline was December 5, 2021.

469
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,900
The refunds will be paid in accordance with an ordinance

470
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:50,100
to be adopted by the town council person

471
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:54,940
to Virginia code section 15.2-25111.

472
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,520
The new total budget amount will be $3,257,740.

473
00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:12,030
Okay, now I guess we'll open it up for public comment.

474
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:18,440
Is there anybody in the audience that wants to a comment on the the refund?

475
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:20,800
The proposal

476
00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:23,360
Any emails?

477
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,220
Okay

478
00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:31,940
So we'll move on to the next public announcement, which was

479
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,260
Do you want me to close it first? It's okay. I

480
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,460
I thought we were going to do both and then close, okay.

481
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:41,680
So we'll close that meeting.

482
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:44,480
Do I need a vote on that?

483
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:45,000
Okay.

484
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:50,640
We'll move on to the next public meeting, which is the town charter amendment.

485
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:52,440
And now it's done, please.

486
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:59,360
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, at 7 p.m., the town council will hold a public hearing

487
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,000
with respect to the proposed town charter update.

488
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:14,320
This public hearing, the citizens of Haymarket Chow, have an opportunity to be heard to determine if they desire that the town counts a request, the general assembly to amend the town's existing charter.

489
00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:20,360
The current charter was adopted in 1950 and includes revisions through 1972.

490
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:30,600
The proposed amendments to the town charter accomplish the following, changing the election dates from May to November, and the deletion of obsolete provisions.

491
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,600
It

492
00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:49,510
will open this up for a public comment, anyone in the audience went to a comment on the charter announcement, any emails?

493
00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:50,650
No, sir.

494
00:43:51,550 --> 00:43:59,430
Okay, we'll close and move on to our regular open meeting.

495
00:44:00,590 --> 00:44:03,070
And we'll do the citizens' time.

496
00:44:03,790 --> 00:44:11,450
Anybody out there looking to make a comment that they open meeting any emails?

497
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:20,450
Now I see a lot of young adults out there, I know we're focusing on battlefield government

498
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:21,190
class.

499
00:44:21,490 --> 00:44:23,350
Are you guys here for that?

500
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:28,070
I was wondering if we could do a quick recess so that I could meet these guys and get a quick

501
00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:29,850
picture before we move on.

502
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:31,930
Another photo of me.

503
00:44:31,930 --> 00:44:33,270
Another photo of me.

504
00:44:34,210 --> 00:44:34,810
It should be quick.

505
00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:36,750
We'll make this no longer than three minutes.

506
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:52,990
Okay.

507
00:44:54,590 --> 00:44:56,970
Okay, now we're back to our regular session.

508
00:44:57,370 --> 00:44:58,510
Sorry about that, guys.

509
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,200
We're at the consent agenda. Does anybody want to pull the reports?

510
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,200
Yes, Mr. Mayor, I would like to pull the, the Tall and Edministration report, please.

511
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,920
Okay, anybody any other reports?

512
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,160
I was going to pull that one myself.

513
00:45:17,350 --> 00:45:17,530
Okay.

514
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:19,590
Throw me a motion.

515
00:45:20,410 --> 00:45:31,530
Mr. Mayor, I'm moving we approve agenda item section 11, A, 2 through 4, B, 1 through 5 and C, 1 through 5.

516
00:45:31,530 --> 00:45:33,170
Second.

517
00:45:33,610 --> 00:45:33,970
Second.

518
00:45:35,850 --> 00:45:36,610
All in favour?

519
00:45:37,150 --> 00:45:37,290
All in favour?

520
00:45:37,290 --> 00:45:37,550
All in favour?

521
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:39,230
Okay.

522
00:45:39,730 --> 00:45:43,980
So we'll pull the administrative report.

523
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,340
Just a minute.

524
00:45:51,220 --> 00:45:55,020
Five years ago, we had a staff member,

525
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,960
join our team here,

526
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,600
the tone of Hamarket,

527
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,260
young in the way that she approached

528
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,220
every aspect of her job with excited

529
00:46:04,580 --> 00:46:06,800
and brought to the tone.

530
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:15,760
a level of excitement that has rubbed off on the rest of the staff since then she has grown

531
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,580
in different ways.

532
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:35,290
I just said we've seen her mature in the position that she was hired in and subsequently

533
00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:43,870
proven herself in an interim tone manager's position, and then through discussions with the

534
00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:50,110
tone council and the rest of staff we've seen her taken on the tone manager's dual role

535
00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:56,770
with her administrators role, and today I just wanted to pull the report and to publicly

536
00:46:57,630 --> 00:47:04,190
thank Miss Emily for her five years and presenter with something that we came up with collectively.

537
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:07,190
So if you can, roll your style of up here.

538
00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:10,170
Roll?

539
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:11,870
Roll?

540
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:12,010
Roll?

541
00:47:12,010 --> 00:47:12,890
A lot of one yet.

542
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:14,530
Sit up.

543
00:47:24,740 --> 00:47:26,080
I come in, Mr. Man.

544
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:27,720
Thank you.

545
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:28,760
Bob, you had something?

546
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:32,180
Yeah, I got something on a more less light-hearted note.

547
00:47:33,860 --> 00:47:35,720
1, 4, 8, 7, 1, Washington Street.

548
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,840
I grow weary of this situation.

549
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:38,820
Where do we stand?

550
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:56,790
The property owner has emailed me on Friday that the Finns will be installed by the end of this week.

551
00:47:57,430 --> 00:48:00,190
I followed up with him to make sure we're still tracking on schedule.

552
00:48:01,210 --> 00:48:06,430
So we should be expecting that the Finns will be installed by Friday afternoon.

553
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:07,890
I'll follow.

554
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:08,710
Yes, that's correct.

555
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:10,610
So, that's the-

556
00:48:10,610 --> 00:48:12,710
Would you like to far the appropriate parties, sir?

557
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:13,710
Yes, they will.

558
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:16,630
If anything were to change in their response,

559
00:48:16,850 --> 00:48:20,050
I'll keep the appropriate parties up to date as well.

560
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:27,570
While we're in that area of the neighborhood,

561
00:48:29,530 --> 00:48:34,250
what's our bright projection looking like?

562
00:48:36,010 --> 00:48:40,910
So, for a bright mitigation throughout the entirety of town,

563
00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:47,790
There are several properties that can go ahead and have zoning violations issued.

564
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:49,930
We can go through those steps.

565
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:54,850
We can do the posting of the public hearing, or the public notice typologies.

566
00:48:55,170 --> 00:48:59,250
We can do the posting of the public notice for the awareness of the property owners and

567
00:48:59,250 --> 00:49:00,510
surrounding property owners.

568
00:49:01,350 --> 00:49:05,770
And then council needs to be ready to take action through a blight mitigation plan.

569
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:10,130
I certainly can be prepping this and we can have it ready to go.

570
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:19,090
And we can take care of this if this is something that council is looking to move forward with at this time.

571
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:27,050
We can start with the, you know, contact zoning violation.

572
00:49:27,590 --> 00:49:32,850
We can do our friendly reach out initiative that we try to start with.

573
00:49:32,850 --> 00:49:39,650
Any concerns because I'll tell you what, I see a corner of a foundation that's really looking a little

574
00:49:41,170 --> 00:49:42,150
little funny

575
00:49:43,950 --> 00:49:45,750
Anybody else have concerns?

576
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:50,240
You go on at length, but I won't.

577
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,940
So yeah, I'd like to start the process on that building.

578
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,500
We will start the process and we'll start tracking it.

579
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,160
Any other comments?

580
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:14,460
I do have one question for Council, just because it came up as a zoning item.

581
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,160
I had sent out an email.

582
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:19,880
We had a recent zoning matter in the Greenhill Crossing neighborhood.

583
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,200
Has everyone received that and you guys were okay with the response?

584
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,260
We had a little parking issue with the in-home business.

585
00:50:28,620 --> 00:50:31,120
They were properly permitted, properly zoned.

586
00:50:31,140 --> 00:50:34,620
We followed up with all parties involved, conducted interviews.

587
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:43,020
So I just wanted to let Council knows taking care of but see if they're running followed by speaking of Green Hill, the other Green Hill zoning issue, the shed.

588
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:49,690
That shed is on the list.

589
00:50:51,830 --> 00:50:54,710
And also part of that letter that you had.

590
00:50:55,170 --> 00:50:59,090
I talked about some play equipment.

591
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:59,270
Yeah.

592
00:50:59,270 --> 00:51:01,250
I looked like it was community equipment.

593
00:51:01,730 --> 00:51:02,970
It's hard to determine.

594
00:51:03,590 --> 00:51:10,290
Yeah, did we reach out to the H.O.A. management group and find out what's going on with that?

595
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,780
You want to kick that dog?

596
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,700
I'm not going to do it.

597
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:19,540
Well, I mean, it was an issue that was raised in that email.

598
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,340
So I just want to make sure if everyone's happy with it.

599
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,400
I mean, it seems like Nick the neighborhood is okay with it.

600
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,400
I've never received any other complaints.

601
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,760
It sounded like when I did the interviews with the parties involved

602
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:37,160
that no one had an issue with that, it was just something of note that chief and I recognized

603
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,960
when we did an inspection of the property.

604
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,420
Okay, yeah, if there are no concerns, I don't think we need to go to the management and say,

605
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:48,300
hey, we see this out there, do you guys have any concerns with it?

606
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,840
It would only be a reach out, it wouldn't be us enacting it.

607
00:51:51,940 --> 00:51:54,200
I feel that's a HOA issue.

608
00:51:56,420 --> 00:52:08,900
Could I follow up on the conclusion, the investigation of that zoning, okay, just curious,

609
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:15,160
now that business day, they re-up their business license, right?

610
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,240
That is correct.

611
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,460
Okay, and they hold on a second, I wrote myself a little note here.

612
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:35,800
So, just as a learning experience here, when somebody submits an SUP for home business in town,

613
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:45,740
is it essentially self-reporting or do they have to or do we get any information from neighbors on that?

614
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:59,960
Let me clarify, when this business came into town to apply, our zoning ordinance at the time had the use that they were looking at doing as a buy right use in the R1.

615
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:09,380
So they did not apply for a special use permit. They applied for their zoning permit and that was an administrative action because it was a buy right use.

616
00:53:09,380 --> 00:53:13,360
And so that is where they met the qualifications for it.

617
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,600
We verified everything.

618
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,120
They also submitted everything that they were required to have on behalf of the state

619
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:25,160
that was inspecting them as well with their business license and zoning permit.

620
00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:31,940
So this particular business that everyone's aware, this is a family.

621
00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:37,740
I believe it's referred to in our zoning ordinance as a family day home.

622
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:43,400
I would have to look at the exact language of it, but that is classified and it is reviewed

623
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,240
by the Virginia Department of Education, because it is essentially a daycare for 12 students

624
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:53,540
or less under a certain age, so they are inspected twice a year as well.

625
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:54,700
Okay.

626
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:55,800
Well, thank you, guys.

627
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,920
We're not working.

628
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,020
Looking into it.

629
00:54:01,930 --> 00:54:02,290
Okay.

630
00:54:02,370 --> 00:54:03,010
We good to go.

631
00:54:03,310 --> 00:54:04,450
We are.

632
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:04,910
Okay.

633
00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:06,090
Let's move on.

634
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:19,120
going into item 12, the real state tax refund discussion, and the draft resolution.

635
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,180
Mr. Mayor, I would move resolution 2022 stroke 12.

636
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:26,520
I'll second.

637
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:27,840
Okay, got a motion.

638
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,580
Second, open for discussion.

639
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:32,740
Anybody want to start off?

640
00:54:35,780 --> 00:54:46,190
And staff and the finance committee, or lesons, lesons.

641
00:54:46,750 --> 00:54:50,270
Thank you for the presentation that you put together.

642
00:54:52,350 --> 00:54:54,110
I like it.

643
00:54:55,250 --> 00:55:00,290
However, I don't think this is the right time to take

644
00:55:00,290 --> 00:55:12,710
So $250,000 of our surplus to put into, given back, given to our residents a small amount

645
00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:19,470
when there are other uses that they could benefit from if we were to put it to better

646
00:55:20,170 --> 00:55:20,850
use.

647
00:55:21,110 --> 00:55:28,450
Allow me just to explain a few areas that I think we should exercise more with them in spending

648
00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:35,210
And this amount of money and the additional surplus total in 570,000.

649
00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:42,890
We're venturing into on chartered territory, maybe even worse than what we ventured

650
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:45,050
in two and a half years ago with the pandemic.

651
00:55:45,850 --> 00:55:52,850
There's an uncertain future ahead of us with the possible recession.

652
00:55:54,710 --> 00:56:13,610
And again, this is just my opinion, but I don't think this is the right time, having been blessed with this amount of surplus to spend it in such a way where we could spend it in other areas that benefit the entire community.

653
00:56:15,070 --> 00:56:28,510
There are certain things that I think we could do better in using the money and I'll give some examples of what I think we should be investing in.

654
00:56:28,530 --> 00:56:37,750
I think we should be investing in serving and services to all the residents. Here are some examples.

655
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:43,890
During the pandemic that we all faced a few years ago, we were not prepared.

656
00:56:44,430 --> 00:56:53,270
We were not prepared with outdoor event places where that we could use readily.

657
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:58,650
Yes, there were uncertainties about the pandemic, but we weren't ready.

658
00:56:59,410 --> 00:57:06,870
And I think if we invest the money that we have no as surplus in better areas,

659
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:10,630
we could be better ready for possible recession.

660
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:14,430
The park was mentioned.

661
00:57:16,550 --> 00:57:21,730
We could use portions of the money to create a pavilion.

662
00:57:22,510 --> 00:57:26,550
We could use portions of the money to refurbish the restroom.

663
00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:36,210
We could use portions of the money in alignment with our CIP to refurbish the building that's on the park property.

664
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:42,010
for better use right now there's just a small portion of that part that is being used by

665
00:57:42,010 --> 00:57:49,710
our residents. But I believe that if we geared the money to certain areas we could better

666
00:57:49,710 --> 00:58:02,330
serve the residents as a whole instead of in my opinion and I'm a home owner in the community.

667
00:58:02,330 --> 00:58:08,830
I would gladly receive the $200 or $300, which I am not even sure if I would receive it or it would go to escrow.

668
00:58:09,010 --> 00:58:12,410
I'm not even sure how that works, but I'm still talking.

669
00:58:13,350 --> 00:58:25,110
But I don't know how it is that I would receive that money, but instead of a $200 or $300 in my pocket,

670
00:58:25,110 --> 00:58:39,880
I would rather have my portion go towards the entire community benefit, instead of just a home owner in the community.

671
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:52,980
There are a couple of the areas I do on a mentioned sidewalk. There are sidewalks that is a part of our CIP that we highlighted to be repaired or to be new.

672
00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:59,720
There are sidewalks that we've realized over the years were installed incorrectly, and this

673
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,960
portion of the money could go towards.

674
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:09,720
Protecting ourselves from having people, having sidewalks being tripped hazard, but having

675
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,780
proper sidewalk installed in our tone.

676
00:59:13,820 --> 00:59:20,680
Tone center plan is another area that we could possibly use the surplus money for.

677
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:27,800
developing this stone property for the vision that we had in creating what we have right now

678
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:33,240
with the police department on one side, the tone admin staff on the other side.

679
00:59:34,140 --> 00:59:40,860
Then as we nailed on more service oriented items for the tone where the tone can benefit,

680
00:59:40,860 --> 00:59:49,320
We have a custodian that works for the tone right now and currently works 25 hours per week

681
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:53,300
39 thousand dollars

682
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,960
Can make this custodian work for the tone on a full-time base

683
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,120
This is off which we could start seeing him and his skills being used to take care of the properties and provide a better service to our residents.

684
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:19,120
Not just the custodian, during the last meeting that we had in our work session, we talked about the police department.

685
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:28,860
The police department with the additional 30 plus homes, 38 plus homes in Van Mieter and

686
01:00:28,860 --> 01:00:36,580
79 homes at Prosthro village, we're going to see a greater demand on our police department.

687
01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:49,000
And things cost, a salary of $65,000 will run our tone about $109,000 in a salary

688
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:55,000
package for a police officer with equipment, salary, and everything else that he's needed

689
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:03,820
to equip one police officer. In addition, we've heard from the chief the last time of

690
01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:09,380
whole beneficial, it would be to bring on a part-time employee to help with the administrative

691
01:01:09,380 --> 01:01:20,160
skills. And lastly, the trash collection for these additional houses and homes that are

692
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:26,920
joining, that are coming into the community, that's 38 plus 79 addition and we are

693
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:33,920
gearing up to see an increase in trash in our trash collection bill. In summary, I think

694
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:41,840
there there are other ways. Whilst I agree that this is a great option to spend $250,000.

695
01:01:43,340 --> 01:01:48,140
It is my opinion that it is not the right time for it and I think we need to think carefully

696
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:54,520
through how do we go through not because we have half a million dollars in surplus

697
01:01:55,460 --> 01:02:03,220
that gives us the right or even to exercise the leeway to spend half of it by doing

698
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:04,800
tax refund.

699
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:12,360
I would like to hear from the, from the Trevor or what his opinion is on the, the

700
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:21,000
real estate tax refund of $200 and a quarter million dollar, that's on more than $250,000.

701
01:02:21,260 --> 01:02:31,200
But what is your opinion on a tax refund of $250,000 to the residents when, as I've stated,

702
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,200
could have been you it could be used in in other areas.

703
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:41,670
I mean I we've had these discussions

704
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:47,270
with the finance layzons and they're aware from my opinion of it so we'll catch them

705
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:53,970
of guard but you know this is I mean it's an opportunity that we could do this you know with the funds

706
01:02:54,570 --> 01:03:00,630
but as you as you stated there are a few other things that I noticed that down the road could

707
01:03:00,630 --> 01:03:08,750
be affected. In fact speaking to fellow treasurers, if you all remember council and mayor,

708
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:13,630
we did, when I created a budget, they created a budget with an equalizing rate.

709
01:03:14,310 --> 01:03:20,710
Council obviously voted to even reduce it. So we did reduce or real estate tax rate,

710
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:25,330
which is something that all treasurers pretty much review looked on and kind of,

711
01:03:26,670 --> 01:03:31,990
Everyone in the green set, that was something we should have to do, believe County did the same thing,

712
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:35,730
though they kept other taxes, you know, in their open crystal.

713
01:03:38,490 --> 01:03:44,010
They included them, real stacks, luckily our businesses are exempt from that additional tax,

714
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:45,830
says they already pay them.

715
01:03:47,690 --> 01:03:52,310
Yeah, we received a good amount of surplus more than increased.

716
01:03:53,090 --> 01:03:57,650
Then again, we use funds from CARES Act to offset some of those costs.

717
01:03:58,490 --> 01:04:01,970
And at the same time, we have received these funds,

718
01:04:01,990 --> 01:04:05,230
but we haven't, in about the next two years,

719
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:08,030
we will see an increase on expenditures as well,

720
01:04:08,370 --> 01:04:11,590
coming with these additional commercial units,

721
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:13,650
as well as with the residential.

722
01:04:15,810 --> 01:04:19,210
To speak to the contract, the trash service,

723
01:04:19,210 --> 01:04:29,950
We, I worked with the budget that Council has adopted that does include the 79 tile homes and the 38.

724
01:04:31,690 --> 01:04:36,170
But this contract will be up as of June 30, 2024.

725
01:04:37,330 --> 01:04:42,030
It seems like a far, far time from now, it isn't, it will be here next to you now.

726
01:04:42,750 --> 01:04:52,030
And I can think of a way to consider where the vendors have been reaching out to us looking for their operational costs

727
01:04:52,030 --> 01:04:55,030
because they're in this binding contract with us.

728
01:04:56,230 --> 01:05:07,990
Fortunately, we are not able to maintain our current contract, but I can tell you that many contracts are raising prices for services, their rates.

729
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:17,350
And though this is a great opportunity, I feel that we should also look at other opportunities

730
01:05:18,190 --> 01:05:25,510
because I feel that it's not as easy as just the end of the year who owns the property,

731
01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:32,910
receives the funds, speaking with a town attorney as well, we should also consider timelines.

732
01:05:34,590 --> 01:05:40,810
How long we want to hold the money forward until we, well, by state, until five, we have to hold it for five years.

733
01:05:41,090 --> 01:05:48,910
Those are how not been, you know, re-cached, then submitted to the state for them to be claimed by the resident.

734
01:05:49,490 --> 01:05:58,010
As well, but parameters as, who qualifies, you know, we have to discuss that before we move forward with it. Who exactly qualifies?

735
01:05:58,770 --> 01:06:05,990
I know there's ordinances out there by other counties that do have it, they never be implemented.

736
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:12,470
They have an ordinance on how to go about this system by refunding, but they have never implemented it.

737
01:06:13,090 --> 01:06:15,350
Discuss a little bit more about administrative costs.

738
01:06:15,570 --> 01:06:24,870
I mean, this is an additional duty that I would have to do, and hopefully get an assistance from a town manager and a part-time assistant.

739
01:06:27,150 --> 01:06:34,290
So there's just many things I think that before we just were to vote on it, or council votes on it, that we should consider to discuss.

740
01:06:35,290 --> 01:06:41,710
It is an opportunity, but I would rather see the time we able to use these funds in other options.

741
01:06:42,250 --> 01:06:50,010
Short-term, I think it's a great thing, but I'm thinking more long-term, you know, COVID-19 was here, and

742
01:06:51,110 --> 01:06:56,510
it was a different situation. People were still having jobs, people were still working,

743
01:06:56,810 --> 01:07:03,950
or I said, if we were to hit every session for whatever reason, you know, people may not be so inclined to go spend

744
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:06,390
money on the meals, as you know, it's going up.

745
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:37,560
So, in my opinion, I would rather see other options, but it's an opportunity to counsel as a whole, can decide on, that is not off to me, you know, but if you're in my opinion on it, I would rather see other options in opportunities that would better serve the community as a whole, kind of like what you said versus just the specific six hundred and one parcels that would receive these.

746
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,040
Well, thank you for your honesty. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

747
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:41,980
What are you doing?

748
01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:44,220
Okay, what I'd like to do is go around the dice.

749
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,900
Everyone can give their opinion so if you can hold off her.

750
01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:48,560
I can hold it.

751
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:49,940
Okay.

752
01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:56,700
I just want to let you know that Councilman Schneider is on his way and should be hearing about a half hour

753
01:07:56,700 --> 01:08:02,060
if you're interested in holding this agenda item and moving to the others.

754
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:03,980
I know he does.

755
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:08,900
for all of them so we could hold the vote but yeah I know he wants to make a few comments

756
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:13,680
so we'll we'll hit our comments and then we'll just let him hit his when he comes back

757
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:20,180
and we'll we'll continue that discussion then if that's okay or did you want to totally wait

758
01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:27,840
move this back I think we should put you on anyway I mean he wants to talk on a bunch of

759
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,980
the items so if we if we're going to delay one for half an hour we're going to delay them all

760
01:08:32,980 --> 01:08:37,980
So, I mean, I mean, I don't want to hold off on the boat, sure, but yeah, let's get the discussion rolling.

761
01:08:39,420 --> 01:08:43,980
Okay, so Mary's not here, so we'll move on to me.

762
01:08:49,340 --> 01:08:49,800
Comments?

763
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,380
Usually you go last Mr. Mayor.

764
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:53,540
Okay, I will go last then.

765
01:08:54,020 --> 01:08:56,020
Round the dice, vice mayor.

766
01:08:57,020 --> 01:09:00,600
So that's a lot to process, and I want to see if there's a lot of options.

767
01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:06,240
I can see where a refund is going to benefit the families.

768
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,940
I can also understand servicing and other areas.

769
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,720
We mentioned grants in some of those other areas.

770
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,810
Where are we in getting those accepted?

771
01:09:20,310 --> 01:09:21,350
What are we talking about?

772
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:23,670
So those would be ones that we would have to research

773
01:09:23,670 --> 01:09:26,550
and look into what's available and what

774
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:30,450
are what are projects fit into the criteria for applying

775
01:09:30,450 --> 01:09:31,490
for those grants.

776
01:09:31,730 --> 01:09:34,050
One of the ones that we're actually going to talk about later

777
01:09:34,050 --> 01:09:37,410
on tonight the safe streets and roads for all grant.

778
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:47,010
There's possibility there that if we were to apply with the county on that grant that we could get some funding for the sidewalk or transportation improvements.

779
01:09:47,410 --> 01:09:52,250
But again, these grants typically will have something in them that you have to meet certain criteria.

780
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:58,130
So we'll have to look into doing that research for the specific projects and different agencies.

781
01:09:58,130 --> 01:10:01,350
What's being offered at the federal state and local levels?

782
01:10:05,140 --> 01:10:09,360
I mean, I can see how it's going to benefit the individual family so then our community.

783
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,760
I would never speak for anybody as a whole, everybody's situation is different.

784
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:21,720
I think that $100 is a lot of money, so $200, $300 can't go a long way for one of our families,

785
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,100
so that's like your point at this time.

786
01:10:28,980 --> 01:10:34,220
Are you, um, you know, I would like to hear, I would like to hear from the gentleman that proposed it

787
01:10:34,220 --> 01:10:39,480
first before I speak, because I think, really, I think, because I want to compliment

788
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:45,780
Chris on his argument, I'm going to support the motion, but I'd like to hear from the

789
01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:46,580
gentleman in the proposal.

790
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:49,640
Bob, you have the question?

791
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:57,380
I think everybody has to bear in mind is that this is not a tax refund in a vacuum.

792
01:10:57,980 --> 01:11:00,440
This is part of a larger picture in a larger analysis.

793
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:13,440
It's an analysis of the surplus, it's an analysis of projected revenues, both for this year and the coming years based on anticipated and actual growth that we're seeing.

794
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:18,720
It's based on profits and it's based on ARPA and other grant funding.

795
01:11:19,340 --> 01:11:28,120
It's based on one of the other factors that we factored in was where does our debt service stand and when will that be retired such that we don't have a debt service.

796
01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:37,680
So that when you look at the bottom line in next year in the year after, in terms of operational expenses

797
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,000
debt load, that sort of thing, we're going to be in a much different position than we were last year

798
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:47,340
or in a slightly different position than we are this year, with respect to the county, the county did not do this.

799
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:54,660
This is the lie that the county tells. The county lowered the tax rate. Yes, I'll agree with that.

800
01:11:54,660 --> 01:11:57,580
The county did not lower the tax.

801
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,340
The tax rate that they set still

802
01:12:03,340 --> 01:12:06,160
encumbered all of the residents with a higher tax bill

803
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,680
because they didn't offset the rise and assessments on average.

804
01:12:10,260 --> 01:12:13,360
It's a silly game they play every year and it drives me nuts.

805
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,660
We don't play that game or at least I don't.

806
01:12:16,980 --> 01:12:19,280
Yes, we equalize the tax rate at first.

807
01:12:19,340 --> 01:12:20,240
That was proposal.

808
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:27,920
But by lowering the tax, we actually equalize the tax paid, not the rate.

809
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,000
So there's a significant difference there.

810
01:12:31,580 --> 01:12:35,500
And part of this has to, I don't know what I'm saying, part of this has to do with what the county did.

811
01:12:35,940 --> 01:12:38,240
The county raised our real estate property taxes.

812
01:12:38,460 --> 01:12:43,560
Everybody in town, the county raised our personal property taxes again,

813
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:45,240
cloaking it and the cut.

814
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:50,360
I don't know if anybody's seen their personal property tax bills came in last week, I have.

815
01:12:50,660 --> 01:12:56,160
Last two years, my property property tax bills have gone up and I have a new car.

816
01:12:56,940 --> 01:13:01,140
And I think everybody in this room is probably in a similar position.

817
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,680
Then on top of that, they put in a meal tax, et cetera, et cetera.

818
01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:09,420
Then they found $13.5 million in the couch cushions the other day.

819
01:13:11,020 --> 01:13:17,560
He wanted to get that $13.5 million dollars. They didn't spend it on CIP, they didn't spend it on parks, they didn't spend it on a sidewalk.

820
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:24,180
They decided to give one time $1,000 by off to make their employees happy.

821
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,360
They didn't make everybody in the county happy, they made their employees happy,

822
01:13:27,380 --> 01:13:31,900
and they weren't really happy with $1,000 because they didn't want to have a raise or a step increase or a colon.

823
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:34,380
And most of them don't even live in the bloody county.

824
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:40,800
This tax refund goes back, and I think I take issue with it, we'll go back to the whole

825
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,820
community, because the whole community owns this town, whether it's a town or a business,

826
01:13:45,180 --> 01:13:48,180
and don't need the businesses out of this, because the businesses are getting near share as

827
01:13:48,180 --> 01:13:48,640
well.

828
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,200
And some of them will get a rather hefty check.

829
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:59,240
I think you start looking at how did we arrive at this when we put the budget together

830
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:03,740
that created the surplus, we were very, very conservative in extraction of the budget.

831
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:10,260
We were extraordinarily conservative in the revenues projections for things like meals,

832
01:14:10,300 --> 01:14:12,900
tax, and be pulled, because we thought COVID was going to hit harder.

833
01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:16,260
I mean, a whole lot harder than it did.

834
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,300
I mean, I think I can speak for Joe on this.

835
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:28,240
We were shocked to just tell you about the revenue we got, and as a result of that conservative

836
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:32,160
budget, we did not cut the tax rate for the residents last year,

837
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,020
so they bore more than

838
01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:39,640
their share.

839
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:50,610
We've got $1.7 million in our defunding. We've yet to expect. We've got $2.2 million

840
01:14:50,610 --> 01:14:57,830
in progress coming in. Those proper money are constrained. Roughly 450,000 of it has to go to parks.

841
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:59,970
So we've got a revenue string for the port.

842
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:14,780
Between the proper funding that we should have relatively soon, if the build out projections go to form, we're going to have almost half a million dollars prior to the beginning of the next fiscal year.

843
01:15:15,220 --> 01:15:18,880
Same thing with transportation. We can pay for the sidewalk out of the bloody proper money.

844
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:30,940
and back out all of the argument that we have scheduled for that, we can back that, put it back in the lock box and the reason I saying we should do it that way is the proper funding is constrained.

845
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:39,780
That 450, roughly $450,000 for parks has to be spent on parks. If it's not spent on parks and by that I mean capital improvement expenses.

846
01:15:41,540 --> 01:15:44,820
After a period of time, the person to play the proper,

847
01:15:44,860 --> 01:15:46,960
the entity to pay the proper can ask for it.

848
01:15:47,180 --> 01:15:51,060
That, if it's unexpected, same thing goes for every category of those.

849
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,300
These need, this money needs to be used on one-time projects.

850
01:15:54,400 --> 01:16:00,840
Yes, I understand the custodian issue and the part-time employee for the chief.

851
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,040
We've already budgeted the part-time employee for the chief into this year's budget.

852
01:16:06,460 --> 01:16:09,960
I think we've actually budgeted for the maintenance.

853
01:16:11,140 --> 01:16:12,220
We have not done maintenance, guys.

854
01:16:12,660 --> 01:16:15,060
Without plan for next year.

855
01:16:15,580 --> 01:16:15,680
Okay.

856
01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:18,560
Not pretty sure we put.

857
01:16:18,580 --> 01:16:19,700
Do we discuss this last year?

858
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:25,250
Okay.

859
01:16:25,470 --> 01:16:26,330
I thought that.

860
01:16:26,330 --> 01:16:28,510
Anyway, we can cover that.

861
01:16:28,910 --> 01:16:30,430
But that's not a.

862
01:16:30,430 --> 01:16:32,430
That's not a one time CIP expense.

863
01:16:32,510 --> 01:16:33,850
That's an ongoing expenditure.

864
01:16:34,510 --> 01:16:35,110
And this is that.

865
01:16:35,190 --> 01:16:36,650
And again, I'm going to go back to the county.

866
01:16:36,650 --> 01:16:39,770
This is what drives me bloody nuts with them.

867
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:44,690
They come up with budget amendments in the middle of the year, adding FTE right before

868
01:16:44,690 --> 01:16:51,110
the beginning of the budget cycle, and never discuss the impact of that on the ongoing

869
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:51,750
expenditures.

870
01:16:52,590 --> 01:16:54,050
It's not a one-time cost.

871
01:16:54,210 --> 01:16:56,030
You can't use money like this for one year.

872
01:16:56,150 --> 01:17:00,730
You should use money like this for one-time cost, not for ongoing budget issues.

873
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:05,210
That's what you're creating your budget for.

874
01:17:05,210 --> 01:17:07,010
And this is what drives me crazy about the Kennedy.

875
01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:10,050
They'll take one-time money and then create an ongoing expenditure

876
01:17:10,050 --> 01:17:11,990
that lasts for the next 20 or 30 years

877
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:14,670
and you wonder why your taxes go up every year.

878
01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:21,540
The trash.

879
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:25,440
That's going to be offset.

880
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:27,700
The trash is built into the budget.

881
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,920
A large percentage, if not all, but probably not all of it.

882
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,060
But a vast majority of it will be covered by next year's tax bills

883
01:17:36,060 --> 01:17:39,860
when these new residences come online and start paying their tax.

884
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:44,820
That's not the only service we really provide for the tax monies that we collect the parking

885
01:17:44,820 --> 01:17:50,860
of police department we do two thing we do police department and we do trash and even in the

886
01:17:50,860 --> 01:17:55,460
case of the HOA we only do that because they get well actually we do because it's not the

887
01:17:55,460 --> 01:18:01,760
only charge trash outside of the outside of the town and the HOA but I mean that's what you're

888
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:06,780
that's what you're getting so I mean at the end of the day we've got roughly four million

889
01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:13,100
dollars in constrained and unconstrained funds, they're essentially a windfall.

890
01:18:13,780 --> 01:18:18,340
We've got an increase coming in our revenue stream from the commercial side of the house

891
01:18:18,340 --> 01:18:21,440
that is all but unavoidable.

892
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,360
I mean, there's not much we can do to screw that up.

893
01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:35,060
We've got one, two, three more restaurants a daycare, a couple of retail shops, some of

894
01:18:35,060 --> 01:18:42,840
going to be charged more meals tax. We're in the best position financially as a

895
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,900
town that I can ever remember.

896
01:18:46,980 --> 01:18:49,320
And we're not reinventing the wheel here. We've

897
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:54,400
done this before. We've issued the tax refund. We know what the code states. We know

898
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:58,980
how to do it. We've done it before. We actually issued it one year and we're going to

899
01:18:58,980 --> 01:19:02,340
issue it a second year until the mayor vetoed it after the town council left.

900
01:19:04,340 --> 01:19:08,740
The residents' personal priority tax bills are coming in on October 5th.

901
01:19:08,740 --> 01:19:13,100
I'd like to get it to these people around them to offset that increased cost of the carry.

902
01:19:14,340 --> 01:19:15,260
I'd defer up.

903
01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:17,860
Mr. Mayor, Joe.

904
01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:25,020
Well, I want to say this is very enlightening to those students.

905
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:27,600
This is where the sauce is made.

906
01:19:29,980 --> 01:19:36,460
It's nice to see that as for your benefit that there are differing opinions, isn't that interesting?

907
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,620
How do we resolve those?

908
01:19:40,860 --> 01:19:44,520
Sometimes you don't, but yes, how do you resolve those differences as part of the challenge?

909
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:47,820
And we will get to a resolution when we are another.

910
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,040
I'm going to support this.

911
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:58,400
And I'm just not going to go over and re-lit a gate with Bob said and what Chris said, and the vice mayor.

912
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,540
But I think what we really have to recognize is we have a good problem.

913
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,840
This is an unusual good problem to have.

914
01:20:07,460 --> 01:20:10,100
We are flush. We've got ARPA money.

915
01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:18,720
We have a growing revenue source, which seems to be doing very well.

916
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,160
Now, let's just go back to the whole issue of

917
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,480
on charter territory in an uncertain future.

918
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,420
That's every day.

919
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,840
On charter territory, on certain future, we face that all the time.

920
01:20:32,220 --> 01:20:36,180
And you know what our businesses do, and our residents do as well.

921
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:42,580
I think it's important that we invest in the people that live in this town,

922
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:44,420
and the businesses.

923
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:50,040
And by doing a refund, I think that's going to be a good investment for those

924
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:56,660
folks residents and businesses. Now we're talking about 601 different entities

925
01:20:56,660 --> 01:20:59,260
Roberto was out the number you threw out there.

926
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,500
Yeah 601 personal. And that's the

927
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:10,940
majority of residential. I believe and then some businesses. So just to be clear.

928
01:21:12,660 --> 01:21:18,680
Okay. Councilmen where not every business will all benefit off the property

929
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:26,700
be all proper, but I got the floor, I have the floor, thank you. So to my point, and thank

930
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:31,180
you for answering it, because you're anticipating where I was going. It is businesses that

931
01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:35,540
own property in town. And I think it's very important for them. We've been through a really

932
01:21:35,540 --> 01:21:43,200
tough time in the pandemic. We've come out of this really well. I think we have to look

933
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:48,400
If it's more as a one-off, this is not something I would recommend doing all the time.

934
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,580
We do have a need for investments.

935
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:57,000
We need a lot more planning, and that's not a knock on staff at all.

936
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:01,580
That's a knock on all of us that get together and think about and strategize and how we're

937
01:22:01,580 --> 01:22:03,560
going to spend some of this money.

938
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:12,780
We have a considerable amount of money that, and I will echo what Bob said, I don't think

939
01:22:12,780 --> 01:22:15,620
I've ever seen, and I've been here almost 12 years.

940
01:22:16,340 --> 01:22:19,900
I don't know, I've ever seen this town be in this flush with money.

941
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,560
Whether it's unrestricted, net assets, or what have you,

942
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,000
we're in really great shape.

943
01:22:25,580 --> 01:22:27,040
Do we need to think about the future?

944
01:22:27,220 --> 01:22:27,720
Of course.

945
01:22:28,780 --> 01:22:30,140
Do we have to plan for the future?

946
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:30,980
Of course.

947
01:22:33,140 --> 01:22:37,340
But at this point in time, I think our residents who

948
01:22:37,340 --> 01:22:41,640
are the owners of all the revenue in this town, right?

949
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:49,460
It's not us. It's not you. It's not you. It's not you. It's everybody in this town. I think they're due

950
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:56,660
some help given what they've been through over the last couple of years. And that's how I see it.

951
01:22:56,660 --> 01:23:00,240
And I'm going to vote in favor of the reform. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

952
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,640
Okay. Now you guys are willing to let me talk?

953
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:06,200
Okay. Good.

954
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:07,940
Well, I had no objection.

955
01:23:10,140 --> 01:23:10,700
Okay.

956
01:23:11,020 --> 01:23:17,360
I understand the pains that people are going through, Prince William County really screwed

957
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:23,300
the taxpayer by the increase in assessments of the housing and they added seeds that are

958
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:24,580
going on.

959
01:23:24,980 --> 01:23:27,040
Bob, you pretty much laid all that out.

960
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,660
But of course, we don't benefit from the hurt that these guys are seeing.

961
01:23:31,660 --> 01:23:34,160
So when we give this money back, we're

962
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:39,800
help alleviating something that a problem that we didn't create.

963
01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:42,700
But in the meantime, like you said,

964
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:45,140
you keep mentioning this revenue of $4 million.

965
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:52,060
I've been trying to promote going into a strategic planning

966
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:55,240
initiative of this town.

967
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,920
So we actually understand where we stand.

968
01:23:58,980 --> 01:24:01,000
The strategic planning, the first thing

969
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,260
would be asset management, right?

970
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,920
We really need to understand what our assets are.

971
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,120
We have no clue.

972
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,940
The assets will drive what goes into the CIP.

973
01:24:13,220 --> 01:24:17,100
And right off the top of my head, the CIP that we have in place

974
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:19,180
was something that you pretty much put together,

975
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,900
because we never really had a CIP before that.

976
01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:27,240
Besides, just, oh, yeah, let's handle replacing cars.

977
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:33,560
But there are pretty much what about six or seven line items on the CIP.

978
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,900
That covers some of the major things, right?

979
01:24:37,740 --> 01:24:46,020
But that doesn't include, you know, like, Councilman Morris was saying about some of

980
01:24:46,020 --> 01:24:49,660
the sidewalks that are starting to get to end of life.

981
01:24:50,260 --> 01:24:54,660
We've got, for instance, the stormwater management situation we have in town.

982
01:24:54,660 --> 01:24:56,680
We do have some flooding situations.

983
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,980
The streetscape started 20 years ago.

984
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,720
That's when we first put the pipe down

985
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,480
and the streetscape out there.

986
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,660
Reinforce concrete has a life cycle of 40 years

987
01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:09,720
according to most civil engineering guidelines.

988
01:25:10,540 --> 01:25:13,020
That means in 20 years, that's got to be replaced.

989
01:25:13,740 --> 01:25:17,540
We don't have a public utilities or a structure in this town.

990
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:19,220
So why do we own this?

991
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,940
This should be going on to Prince William County's back.

992
01:25:22,940 --> 01:25:27,220
Right now I'm in the middle of negotiating with the Prince William County for that.

993
01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:35,640
Hence the assessment program that we have with Prince William County in which we're paying a 28% with,

994
01:25:36,180 --> 01:25:38,840
which Prince William County seems to be sitting on, is that correct?

995
01:25:42,690 --> 01:25:44,290
But the assessment is going to happen.

996
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:47,310
And when that assessment happens, guess what Bob?

997
01:25:47,390 --> 01:25:52,070
That $4 million we have, I could sink it in one cough once knees.

998
01:25:52,770 --> 01:25:58,890
Just to get our stormwater management up to part to which Prince William County would want to take it over.

999
01:26:00,150 --> 01:26:02,490
So, you know, we got the stormwater management stuff.

1000
01:26:03,090 --> 01:26:12,370
I'd like to get, you know, an asset assessment, so that we understand what our town looks like with sidewalks,

1001
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:19,170
with curb and gutter, with our buildings, where they stand, what we're looking at with roof replacements,

1002
01:26:19,170 --> 01:26:25,550
exciting that needs to happen any type of parking lot repairs that we're going to have to do which

1003
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:33,610
which is already being planned by us now, but these are just items popping up right now with the

1004
01:26:33,610 --> 01:26:40,790
infrastructure bill and what we're going to be talking about later on with the SS4A, the SA streets for

1005
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:42,130
America program.

1006
01:26:44,330 --> 01:26:48,450
We shouldn't have to rely on the county to get this grant money, but we don't have

1007
01:26:48,450 --> 01:26:52,170
any type of grant writing capability within our town.

1008
01:26:52,830 --> 01:26:58,390
With the infrastructure bill and another bill that's out there, we have access to four billion

1009
01:26:58,390 --> 01:27:01,990
dollars over the next five years that we could get money from.

1010
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:04,370
All we got to do is compete toward it.

1011
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:06,910
But how can we compete when we don't even have that capability?

1012
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:09,930
So I'd like to try and get that in town.

1013
01:27:10,230 --> 01:27:13,650
That's going to cost a little bit of money to try to get that capability running

1014
01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:15,890
here in which we can get that.

1015
01:27:18,270 --> 01:27:23,390
Those are just a couple of things that have been circling around my head when it comes

1016
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:28,490
to trying to get a strategic planning in place so that we can just continue on and have

1017
01:27:28,490 --> 01:27:34,850
things understood on what needs to be funded for next or what we need to continually

1018
01:27:34,850 --> 01:27:46,190
fun throughout our budget planning. As you know, just a simple one, our flag program, our

1019
01:27:46,190 --> 01:27:51,430
banner program that we have on our light pools around the town. I don't think anybody

1020
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:57,470
really knows what the attrition rate is of these banners and what we need to do. We could

1021
01:27:57,470 --> 01:28:04,130
actually capture that if we had some type of asset management program in place. And we understood

1022
01:28:04,130 --> 01:28:09,290
But once we understand this stuff, we can go from a reactive state to a proactive state.

1023
01:28:10,730 --> 01:28:14,210
And we could get this done with this extra money.

1024
01:28:14,250 --> 01:28:16,730
We can start to put this type of stuff into place.

1025
01:28:17,610 --> 01:28:25,270
And I feel, I know it would help benefit our taxpayers because of the stress that the county

1026
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:34,090
is putting on us, but that stress that the county is putting on our taxpayers, we get to

1027
01:28:34,090 --> 01:28:40,210
So we got to manage what we have and we got to take this kind of stuff into consideration

1028
01:28:40,210 --> 01:28:44,050
I'm kind of on my step-in-off my soap box at this point

1029
01:28:44,970 --> 01:28:48,250
My C-Bob wants to re-buck first. So we'll all have re-buck

1030
01:28:48,730 --> 01:28:55,810
The other way on the dime. I'm gonna get back on my soap box because money that taxpayers pay to the county is money that should come back to the town

1031
01:28:55,810 --> 01:28:57,270
and never has

1032
01:28:57,270 --> 01:29:02,350
This town pays the county millions of dollars in personal property tax and real property tax

1033
01:29:02,350 --> 01:29:08,070
And you tell me the last damn thing they ever paid for in this town, or the last thing they ever did,

1034
01:29:08,270 --> 01:29:10,630
regardless of who the supervisor was.

1035
01:29:11,690 --> 01:29:16,870
And with respect to asset management and maintenance, yeah, that's what we've got almost $400,000

1036
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:23,610
that we built into the budget, existing funds, so you can't, you can't forget that $400,000.

1037
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:27,430
Maintenance is something that happens, that's why we budget for it every year.

1038
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:35,570
I mean, if nobody's reading the budget and doesn't look at those numbers, I mean, I talk about it every time something needs to get fixed, which line item is going to come from.

1039
01:29:35,850 --> 01:29:42,590
And that's why those line items exist. The stormwater one. I don't even want to open that can of worms.

1040
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:49,450
We're in a situation because of the decision made in 1988.

1041
01:29:54,820 --> 01:29:59,980
And we're going to have to ask ourselves a very hard question in the very near future if we keep.

1042
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,720
Question this, and that's how much is it going to cost and who's going to benefit? And what are the unintended consequences

1043
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,540
when it pushes out to other neighborhoods?

1044
01:30:14,940 --> 01:30:20,360
I would argue that there might be, perhaps there is a legislative fix that needs to be made to that.

1045
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:34,560
And I would much rather approach it from that standpoint to fix the underlying state code that's got us in a bind which I'm not even sure is being interpreted correctly.

1046
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,300
But in order to do that, we need to start getting back to our delegate on time.

1047
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:47,320
In fact, I know that the call I just got was from the delegate asking is going to the first question out of the delegate's mouth is going to be where is the charter you promised me months ago.

1048
01:30:47,740 --> 01:30:50,560
that we had that we're going to have to get to later on this evening.

1049
01:30:52,620 --> 01:30:54,260
Do we have a problem planning?

1050
01:30:55,140 --> 01:30:56,940
Yeah, because we can never decide what we want to do.

1051
01:30:57,380 --> 01:31:00,040
And then when we do plan something, it takes forever to get it through.

1052
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,560
I mean, how long have I been screaming about the bloody sidewalk?

1053
01:31:03,020 --> 01:31:05,120
Two and a half years now, too?

1054
01:31:06,260 --> 01:31:08,480
But we've got it to funding for it.

1055
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,260
I don't want to pat myself on the back,

1056
01:31:12,460 --> 01:31:16,560
but I think we've done a damn good job recently of planning

1057
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:19,280
for funding within the development window.

1058
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:25,860
A lot of what you want to do is three, four, five years down the road before you can,

1059
01:31:25,860 --> 01:31:29,200
before you can insert the first shovel.

1060
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,300
We've got to go to the planning phase, the design phase, the bid phase,

1061
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:37,240
and by that point in time we should have

1062
01:31:39,290 --> 01:31:42,870
judging from the budget and what we suspect,

1063
01:31:43,210 --> 01:31:46,310
the numbers are going to be based on recent past performance.

1064
01:31:46,930 --> 01:31:51,870
We should probably, I'd be willing to wage a right now, and I haven't been wrong much recently.

1065
01:31:52,590 --> 01:31:55,430
I'd be willing to wage her that next year's budget is even bigger.

1066
01:31:56,750 --> 01:32:03,590
But this is a particularly difficult year given everything that has happened to the residents in this town

1067
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:05,050
from a taxation standpoint.

1068
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:08,310
And it's not just a county, it's also the state and the feds.

1069
01:32:09,730 --> 01:32:12,630
If we can afford to throw them a bone at this point in time,

1070
01:32:12,630 --> 01:32:18,630
Because, quite frankly, in our conservative approach, we over-taxed them last year,

1071
01:32:20,090 --> 01:32:22,010
that in my mind, that's the right thing to do.

1072
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,220
Do you have any rebuttal?

1073
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:29,460
How about an enhancement?

1074
01:32:31,300 --> 01:32:31,660
Careful.

1075
01:32:33,900 --> 01:32:37,640
No, I'm not going to go through a whole bunch of other stuff.

1076
01:32:37,980 --> 01:32:40,480
I mean, I'm just thinking about the maintenance side.

1077
01:32:40,740 --> 01:32:42,680
There is a real issue of maintenance,

1078
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,860
in town, whether it's the light poles, the sidewalks, and we'll have you.

1079
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,940
Do we need somebody full time?

1080
01:32:49,480 --> 01:32:50,100
I don't know.

1081
01:32:50,740 --> 01:32:52,340
Could we use somebody full time?

1082
01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:59,980
But one of the things in one of the challenges we have to see, we have to analyze and determine

1083
01:32:59,980 --> 01:33:08,040
is the offset of having somebody full time versus outside third-party work, and where

1084
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:13,400
their savings may be so that we can afford to have somebody on a regular basis. We have to go

1085
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:18,080
through that analysis and I'm willing to listen and go through it and I think it's really

1086
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:26,940
important that we do it. I'm just going to leave it one more time. There's investing and investing

1087
01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:34,460
is an important thing to do. I believe at this time investing in our residents and our businesses

1088
01:33:34,460 --> 01:33:38,220
that own property is worth the bang for the buck.

1089
01:33:38,460 --> 01:33:45,620
This is a very balanced approach on what to do with the surplus, giving money back to our taxpayers

1090
01:33:45,620 --> 01:33:51,860
who have gone through quite a bit in the last couple of years, and doing some other investing

1091
01:33:51,860 --> 01:33:57,800
in the CIP, and as you've heard in the discussion, we have other sources of revenue coming in,

1092
01:33:57,820 --> 01:34:02,540
we have other opportunities, we just have to figure out what we want to do.

1093
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:03,600
Thank you.

1094
01:34:05,970 --> 01:34:07,370
Vice Mayor, Peter?

1095
01:34:14,530 --> 01:34:15,190
This is what I'm hearing.

1096
01:34:15,670 --> 01:34:18,250
There's definitely a need across the board.

1097
01:34:19,490 --> 01:34:21,670
I've heard several different suggestions.

1098
01:34:22,350 --> 01:34:25,070
All of which I know are going to be long in resolution.

1099
01:34:26,010 --> 01:34:27,830
I see attacks.

1100
01:34:28,710 --> 01:34:30,970
Refund being a more immediate.

1101
01:34:32,890 --> 01:34:36,290
Quite frankly impactful today for our resident.

1102
01:34:37,670 --> 01:34:38,870
So that is for instance.

1103
01:34:41,190 --> 01:34:41,890
Councilman Morris.

1104
01:34:41,890 --> 01:34:42,470
Thank you, sir.

1105
01:34:42,690 --> 01:34:45,510
Maybe this is a good lesson for those in attendance.

1106
01:34:45,850 --> 01:34:46,550
Stick to your convictions.

1107
01:34:47,890 --> 01:34:48,470
Thank you, sir.

1108
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:51,710
OK.

1109
01:34:52,970 --> 01:34:57,510
I guess I'd like to pause on taking this any further,

1110
01:34:57,790 --> 01:35:00,270
since we got to wait for Marchant and then go for a vote

1111
01:35:00,270 --> 01:35:01,090
on this.

1112
01:35:02,970 --> 01:35:08,390
Everyone at peace at this point, for us to move on in no objection

1113
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:09,570
to bring this up later.

1114
01:35:10,750 --> 01:35:19,490
table it, I'm going to go to

1115
01:35:21,730 --> 01:35:27,800
work, I'm looking for table a temporary early, I'm moved to table a temporary early.

1116
01:35:28,780 --> 01:35:30,840
Okay motion and second,

1117
01:35:33,090 --> 01:35:33,770
on-favor.

1118
01:35:35,470 --> 01:35:35,710
Okay.

1119
01:35:36,890 --> 01:35:38,230
We'll bring that up later.

1120
01:35:39,450 --> 01:35:41,410
As I got to take it off the table.

1121
01:35:44,020 --> 01:35:44,520
Okay.

1122
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:52,560
Hope he's not texting and driving.

1123
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:57,740
Well, we better hurry up then, so we can wipe out this agenda.

1124
01:35:58,380 --> 01:36:00,260
Okay, we'll move on to the town charter.

1125
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:11,260
So Kim has pulled up your town charter amendment that we are currently working on this is the latest version that everyone should have.

1126
01:36:11,340 --> 01:36:20,960
So if there's any discussion or modifications that are discussed at tonight's meeting, Kim is going to be making those live as we're discussing them up on the screen.

1127
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:33,320
We will have a version available to the public, effective immediately, and this will be the version that is sent off for our town attorney to check off review and then sent on to our delegate.

1128
01:36:36,050 --> 01:36:37,630
Okay, who wants to move on this one?

1129
01:36:42,650 --> 01:36:44,210
Maybe let me make one more statement.

1130
01:36:44,550 --> 01:36:45,270
Rokewic, I'm sorry.

1131
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:55,190
Councilman Passenello, when you were absent at last week's meeting, I did bring up one of the points that you had previously discussed for the town attorney.

1132
01:36:55,190 --> 01:36:58,510
and he recommended you bring them up with the entirety of council.

1133
01:36:59,630 --> 01:37:02,170
So that was one of the items we left off on.

1134
01:37:02,630 --> 01:37:03,110
I think that's the case.

1135
01:37:03,850 --> 01:37:08,090
So before we go into a motion, I will open the floor for discussion.

1136
01:37:09,570 --> 01:37:10,890
Well, I'll move it for discussion.

1137
01:37:11,210 --> 01:37:11,650
OK.

1138
01:37:12,730 --> 01:37:13,350
I move.

1139
01:37:15,940 --> 01:37:16,700
Doesn't have a resolution.

1140
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:17,720
It doesn't.

1141
01:37:18,980 --> 01:37:19,860
Yeah, it does.

1142
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:23,500
That's the text one.

1143
01:37:24,980 --> 01:37:29,300
I'm a resolution 22 stroke zero one three

1144
01:37:31,410 --> 01:37:34,610
town charter ready.

1145
01:37:35,310 --> 01:37:40,370
Oh, I'll second, that's okay, I'll second, but I have a comment on what you're saying.

1146
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:41,370
Yeah.

1147
01:37:41,670 --> 01:37:42,290
Motion and second.

1148
01:37:42,610 --> 01:37:43,410
Open for discussion.

1149
01:37:44,730 --> 01:37:48,530
We'll start off with Joe since I know he's got to come to discussion.

1150
01:37:49,210 --> 01:37:56,290
So I sent some comments to Martin back on August 8th regarding this, you know, a couple

1151
01:37:57,930 --> 01:38:03,990
typos and a couple adjustments needed to be made and there was really no issue associated

1152
01:38:03,990 --> 01:38:13,090
with that. I would like to go to Article 3, Section 1, Number 4.

1153
01:38:22,420 --> 01:38:24,060
And I know we didn't

1154
01:38:24,060 --> 01:38:33,300
really talk about this in the past but I'll read to you in my comments. I think I may have

1155
01:38:33,300 --> 01:38:41,360
section personally. And I would propose that we make a change to it. I was hoping that perhaps

1156
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:46,780
we could make this change by looking in benchmarking elsewhere.

1157
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:52,140
So it says that the council,

1158
01:38:54,440 --> 01:38:59,080
is this may find its members for disorder? Yes. I'm sorry. That's it.

1159
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:03,880
may find its members for disorderly conduct and with the concurrence of two-thirds

1160
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:06,420
expel a member.

1161
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:10,520
A vacancy in the office of Mayor shall be filled by the council from the

1162
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:14,840
electors of the town and any member of the council may be eligible to fill such vacancy.

1163
01:39:16,420 --> 01:39:17,400
Okay, two things here.

1164
01:39:18,060 --> 01:39:23,580
First of all, I think this could probably be split out because I'm not sure how they relate

1165
01:39:23,580 --> 01:39:24,260
to each other.

1166
01:39:24,260 --> 01:39:31,500
I think it's if two thirds vote against the fair that whoever's left behind could be appointed as mayor

1167
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,280
I think that's why they that's all the entire him

1168
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:39,560
That's the only way ties in unless there are two sentences in one

1169
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:42,900
It seems to me that

1170
01:39:42,900 --> 01:39:44,740
It should have been two and two

1171
01:39:44,740 --> 01:39:54,040
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but it seems to me it should be two, but that's not the point. Yeah, the point the point my point is and I'll read my comment publicly

1172
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:59,760
I don't have a problem doing this. I have serious concern regarding the potential for abuse given past

1173
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:07,160
central practice, expelling a member due to disorderly conduct. I'm not sure even what is disorderly

1174
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:08,680
conduct. How is that defined?

1175
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:18,370
It is. Is it in the, yeah. So I have a question about how that's

1176
01:40:18,370 --> 01:40:24,870
find and I think it should be somewhat. Is it somebody who's been charged with disorderly conduct

1177
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:29,890
in the opinion of the Council with disorderly conduct? How is that? What's the criteria for

1178
01:40:29,890 --> 01:40:35,030
that? So I have a real issue with that. I'm okay with some form of sanction myself, but we'll

1179
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:41,250
never support removal given that that should be a voter's decision, not a council decision,

1180
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:46,690
because I think what you're doing is you're stealing the voice of the voter. That's my opinion.

1181
01:40:47,550 --> 01:40:56,370
I do have, I do have some support for someone who's found guilty of malfeasance, misvisance,

1182
01:40:56,750 --> 01:40:57,030
criminality.

1183
01:40:57,150 --> 01:40:57,590
Absolutely.

1184
01:40:58,410 --> 01:41:00,790
I think the code covers that.

1185
01:41:02,250 --> 01:41:07,170
But, you know, not until such time should, I believe, a council member be removed.

1186
01:41:07,530 --> 01:41:08,230
That's my opinion.

1187
01:41:08,570 --> 01:41:13,990
I think it gives too much authority to a miscreant leader and easily swayed members, and

1188
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:17,010
It also strips the voters of their vote and voice.

1189
01:41:17,950 --> 01:41:20,690
And it just seems to me that it's inconsistent

1190
01:41:20,690 --> 01:41:22,250
with what we do with the PC.

1191
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:25,030
I mean, you can't give it a PC member,

1192
01:41:25,490 --> 01:41:29,310
unless for malfeasance, misfeasance, or nonfeasance.

1193
01:41:30,230 --> 01:41:32,790
So, for something like that, okay, you know what I mean?

1194
01:41:33,370 --> 01:41:36,510
So, I make a proposal that that has to be changed

1195
01:41:36,510 --> 01:41:37,910
before I can support it.

1196
01:41:38,890 --> 01:41:41,310
Would you suggest striking and with the concurrence

1197
01:41:41,310 --> 01:41:43,730
of two-thirds, expel a member and just leave it at that?

1198
01:41:43,730 --> 01:41:46,390
or do you want to go break it up into two sections as well?

1199
01:41:46,930 --> 01:41:51,790
Well, I'd like to hear with other people think first on a site and be my suggestion.

1200
01:41:52,490 --> 01:41:53,030
I'm done.

1201
01:41:54,170 --> 01:41:59,410
Well, I'm assuming that you already said that this is in Virginia code, right?

1202
01:42:01,050 --> 01:42:08,150
The method for getting rid of a sitting elected official is provided for in code.

1203
01:42:08,530 --> 01:42:10,970
This is outside of the state code.

1204
01:42:13,410 --> 01:42:21,870
So, do you have municode on your PC, Emily, so that you could broadcast out what that code is?

1205
01:42:22,210 --> 01:42:26,850
So, we can see it and see if we just want to reference the state code?

1206
01:42:27,290 --> 01:42:28,450
Do you want to answer this?

1207
01:42:28,990 --> 01:42:31,650
Yes, I do. Give me a minute. I'll pull that up.

1208
01:42:37,290 --> 01:42:40,330
But we'll do that. It's in one of two sections. I think it's in.

1209
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,560
That only take care of half your sentence though, won't it?

1210
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:58,880
I mean, that's the key agenda for me, that I think the second part of the sentence is addressed elsewhere in the document it is.

1211
01:42:59,220 --> 01:43:12,060
It is at if the mayor resigns, there's a there's a there's a there's a portion there's description for that if that happens.

1212
01:43:12,060 --> 01:43:19,820
I really think this, the verbiage of this entire paragraph, was designed for one situation.

1213
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:31,880
One situation. And I think it should be interpreted as if two thirds of the council deems that the mayor's behavior is inappropriate,

1214
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:40,000
it, then they can whatever the consequences are, and then whoever is left on the dash could

1215
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,640
be appointed as a mayor. Does that make sense? I think that's the context.

1216
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:49,040
Do we need to define the fine amount or what disorderly means?

1217
01:43:49,500 --> 01:43:54,600
Yes, but it's so wide that it's really the city in two thirds, but I don't think that's the issue.

1218
01:43:54,600 --> 01:44:05,860
And I think that's what we'll see in the state code that we prefer, I'd prefer to just reference that as an interpretation of what mouthpiece and says.

1219
01:44:06,340 --> 01:44:09,180
Mr. Mayor, I don't think that's the issue.

1220
01:44:10,440 --> 01:44:23,500
The issue is not mouthpieces, the issue is not, how do you characterize it, the issue is not what the offense is, the issue is, do we give a body or a portion of the body?

1221
01:44:23,500 --> 01:44:29,140
that much authority when the residents are the ones who voted that person in office.

1222
01:44:29,620 --> 01:44:32,080
Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. That is the issue.

1223
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:36,940
And that's why I'm supporting what Joe is saying. I mean, we've seen it.

1224
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:42,140
We've lived through it where it gives too much room for abuse.

1225
01:44:45,420 --> 01:44:52,300
And when we bring up the Munich code, we can see if that addresses all of it.

1226
01:44:52,300 --> 01:44:57,760
And like I said, depending on how opinion is, that code would be changed and we would never

1227
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,860
have to change our charter because we're always referenced.

1228
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:04,620
The state could, and we would abide by the state.

1229
01:45:05,180 --> 01:45:10,680
But there are other avenues, if someone steps all the line, basically,

1230
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:14,340
malfeasance, just like what we just mentioned, there are other avenues.

1231
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:16,160
We're governed by...

1232
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:21,280
If you're conversing with certain crimes, you are automatically not able to observe it.

1233
01:45:23,220 --> 01:45:27,440
Now, I can't remember. It's in one of two, and it's always hard to find.

1234
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:29,200
So last Bob is looking for that.

1235
01:45:29,340 --> 01:45:33,500
Joe, are you proposing that this entire paragraph be struck out?

1236
01:45:35,620 --> 01:45:49,000
No, actually I'm proposing that it be modified because there has to be some sanction for an illegal

1237
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:53,720
action or mouth-feasants or misfeasants.

1238
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:55,180
Why am I doing it the hard way?

1239
01:45:55,300 --> 01:45:57,880
I know exactly where the language is.

1240
01:45:58,800 --> 01:45:59,640
I don't know, just go.

1241
01:45:59,700 --> 01:46:00,480
He's talking to himself.

1242
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:00,680
Good.

1243
01:46:00,860 --> 01:46:01,780
I'm talking to him.

1244
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:05,340
So I mean, I'm not sure exactly how it should be

1245
01:46:05,340 --> 01:46:05,940
worded.

1246
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:07,400
I haven't really thought that through.

1247
01:46:07,740 --> 01:46:12,040
I was kind of hoping that we could have Martin come up with something

1248
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:16,280
based on other communities, benchmark, and see what they do.

1249
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:19,320
Similar to what he did with the veto.

1250
01:46:20,380 --> 01:46:26,540
So, you're still thinking that there should be some corrective measures, or I don't have a problem with that.

1251
01:46:26,700 --> 01:46:30,520
I don't have a problem, some kind of a corrective action or what have you.

1252
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,280
I mean, the body can do with the body can do.

1253
01:46:35,220 --> 01:46:41,760
Removing somebody from office, I find extremely problematic and it takes the voice away from the voter.

1254
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:44,280
And I don't think we should be doing that personally.

1255
01:46:46,660 --> 01:46:49,300
I can't say it any differently than that.

1256
01:46:53,220 --> 01:46:56,920
Let's just see what you can come up with and what it says in the code.

1257
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:11,820
They had section 24.2 to Article 7, and it's entirety, but specifically section 231, which

1258
01:47:11,820 --> 01:47:19,240
is for a person's, for a person's, for a person's, for a person's sentence for commission

1259
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:20,480
of certain crimes.

1260
01:47:22,340 --> 01:47:32,620
So that, and this is all in Article 7, there's also vacancies occurring when officer is determined mentally incompetent, somebody accused me of that.

1261
01:47:33,540 --> 01:47:34,120
233.

1262
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:35,980
Tonight, I think that almost tonight.

1263
01:47:36,820 --> 01:47:40,500
233 is the removal option by the court, by petition.

1264
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:45,780
I don't think the thing, that's what this is addressing.

1265
01:47:45,780 --> 01:47:58,640
This is, normally the only way to get rid of an elected official is either they commit a crime and are precluded from retaining office by the courts.

1266
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:06,360
As a matter of law, they can't have no longer hold office for having committed, having been convicted of that crime.

1267
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,900
But our charter overseeds that, right?

1268
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:10,640
You've got charter still have to do that.

1269
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,220
This is outside of the statute.

1270
01:48:13,220 --> 01:48:16,080
This power does not exist in the statute.

1271
01:48:17,220 --> 01:48:28,920
Every other jurisdiction, the only way to get rid of somebody is to go through the courts with the recall process or they get removed by the courts as part of a criminal conviction.

1272
01:48:29,440 --> 01:48:30,940
So why should we be any different?

1273
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:33,420
Apparently we're quite the anomaly.

1274
01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:38,800
And I think that was in the general, there was actually an AG opinion on this.

1275
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:39,220
I

1276
01:48:41,810 --> 01:48:45,370
could probably find it a couple of years ago.

1277
01:48:47,090 --> 01:48:52,990
Well, I don't want to hold this up, but I think it could use a little bit more work.

1278
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:54,630
Maybe.

1279
01:48:55,190 --> 01:48:57,710
I think it's striking that, and then it's not an issue.

1280
01:48:58,190 --> 01:48:59,890
Because then it just defaults.

1281
01:48:59,890 --> 01:49:01,950
Then it's defaults to the state code.

1282
01:49:03,690 --> 01:49:06,250
You're not granting, you're not granting, you're not granting the town council.

1283
01:49:06,650 --> 01:49:09,030
And if stored in every power outside of the code.

1284
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:15,250
But that second sentence. I mean, I know, Chris, you're making the argument that they're connected.

1285
01:49:15,670 --> 01:49:22,550
But when we talk about the first line that says members, so that would include mayor and any other member, right?

1286
01:49:22,850 --> 01:49:28,230
They can see, though, in the office of mayor shall be filled by the council from the electors of the two.

1287
01:49:28,630 --> 01:49:34,730
That's funny. I don't have a problem with the second sentence. That first sentence, though, is where I am.

1288
01:49:34,730 --> 01:49:39,190
What's it? What's the paragraph that this this falls under? What's that number?

1289
01:49:40,270 --> 01:49:45,930
Article three administration and government. Article three one four.

1290
01:49:48,220 --> 01:49:53,480
Oh, so you're looking at the context? Yes, but keep going. Okay, it's the right there.

1291
01:49:58,460 --> 01:50:03,880
Also, you're looking for how the mayor gets replaced. Well, it says under the vice mayor

1292
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:09,500
that the vice mayor would assume the duties of the mayor should the mayor be in capacity.

1293
01:50:09,500 --> 01:50:14,800
Okay, no, go back to the paragraph. Go back to the paragraph 4. Because it's saying here that

1294
01:50:15,700 --> 01:50:22,180
a vacancy in the office of mayor shall be filled by the council from the electors of the town.

1295
01:50:24,970 --> 01:50:26,250
Who are the electors of the town?

1296
01:50:27,070 --> 01:50:27,090
Oh,

1297
01:50:30,910 --> 01:50:38,170
this is not, this is not, this is in the case that if the mayor is removed

1298
01:50:38,170 --> 01:50:46,270
moved, by the two thirds, if the mayor is removed for whatever they classify as unfit, the

1299
01:50:46,270 --> 01:50:53,030
replacement of his seeds should only be done by the members of the community.

1300
01:50:53,210 --> 01:50:54,130
You're saying the election.

1301
01:50:56,340 --> 01:50:59,460
Okay, so wait a minute. I mean, because it says vacancy, I see

1302
01:50:59,460 --> 01:51:04,460
which is saying as you've got the context here, the first sentence, and that would be a follow-on,

1303
01:51:04,940 --> 01:51:09,300
but in saying a vacancy, there are other ways that you can have a vacancy in the office of

1304
01:51:09,300 --> 01:51:15,980
office could get sick, could resign, would have you. Is it covered somewhere else? That's

1305
01:51:15,980 --> 01:51:22,140
that's okay question. And I understand what you're saying, but if Madam Tresilin

1306
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:28,660
rise up and get two-third of us behind her and said, hey Ken, I don't like his

1307
01:51:28,660 --> 01:51:34,540
hairstyle over the last few months, he did something wrong, let's pull together and

1308
01:51:34,540 --> 01:51:41,120
out, okay? We did, two-third, or you guys did, two-third, they're voted the mayor out. That

1309
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:47,880
office cannot be filled by us nominating someone to fill the office. That seat has to be filled

1310
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:53,980
by the voters. And I think that this is one sentence that has to be taken. These two sentences

1311
01:51:53,980 --> 01:51:56,780
need to be taken under the same agenda.

1312
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:01,320
Now again, we're arguing through it and I'm supporting

1313
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:07,320
what you're saying in that that's too much authority on two thirds of the members when the

1314
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:14,580
community residents are the ones who voted each member in. When it doesn't say the other

1315
01:52:14,580 --> 01:52:22,620
member, if it's a regular member, it just says the office of mayor, right? What happens to a regular

1316
01:52:22,620 --> 01:52:27,960
member if it's Chris Morris? We get two thirds, it's a Chris you're out of here. Then the rest that

1317
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:32,800
Council has done what we did with Mary has done what they did with me they can they can

1318
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:39,860
appoint someone to fill the seat from the resident on an interim basis until a special

1319
01:52:39,860 --> 01:52:48,520
election until a special election but not the mayor if we get rid of the mayor we cannot

1320
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:56,200
appoint someone here on the gas as the mayor the vice-american continuous serving until the

1321
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:59,580
community votes for the mayor to feel a new mayor.

1322
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,960
So the strategy is you kick the mayor out.

1323
01:53:04,100 --> 01:53:06,380
You let the community vote three months later.

1324
01:53:06,620 --> 01:53:09,560
And if they vote the mayor back in, you kick them out again.

1325
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:12,580
And you just continue perpetually until it turns up.

1326
01:53:12,820 --> 01:53:14,020
I think this is one paragraph.

1327
01:53:14,340 --> 01:53:16,280
That has to be taken as one paragraph.

1328
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:19,680
Because we do have other guidelines.

1329
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:24,700
I think this is too much power put in in the hands of the seven members

1330
01:53:24,700 --> 01:53:28,140
on council to

1331
01:53:30,700 --> 01:53:36,720
exercise a judgment on an individual that has been voted in by the residents.

1332
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:43,440
So if we strike the paragraph completely,

1333
01:53:46,390 --> 01:53:49,170
I would just get rid of that one clause and leave it to me.

1334
01:53:49,630 --> 01:53:53,870
What would be the negative impact if you strike the whole thing?

1335
01:53:56,520 --> 01:54:00,580
If you want to be able to find people for disorderly conduct, I don't care when we're the other.

1336
01:54:00,580 --> 01:54:11,760
Um, okay, Bob we all are saying is get rid of get rid of the part that everybody disagrees with and that's the end with a concurrence of two thirds expel a member if that's the problem excise the problem

1337
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:18,600
But Bob we go back to the same thing who defines the disorderly conduct the sit-in members and that's fine. I mean

1338
01:54:20,380 --> 01:54:21,340
I mean

1339
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:25,380
What's talking about is a difference between a fine and

1340
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:26,440
Expulsion

1341
01:54:26,440 --> 01:54:34,440
It should be really have the authority to two thirds of us pull up to find you.

1342
01:54:35,660 --> 01:54:37,240
Hey, I'm deserving of fun sometimes.

1343
01:54:38,460 --> 01:54:41,540
I haven't been as obnoxious here as I haven't had the county.

1344
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:43,800
I mean, I don't.

1345
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:44,940
Do I like it?

1346
01:54:44,940 --> 01:54:45,560
Not particularly.

1347
01:54:45,860 --> 01:54:46,900
Do I understand it?

1348
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,840
The only part that causes me heartburn is that one cause.

1349
01:54:51,020 --> 01:54:52,180
I can live with the rest of it.

1350
01:54:52,700 --> 01:54:54,580
I'm kind of agnostic on the rest of it.

1351
01:54:54,580 --> 01:54:59,240
honest with you. But if you get rid of the expulsion, you're an expulsion, I think it's

1352
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:04,180
a fine. I think the expulsion, the rest of it is in this, sorry. Yeah. Now, the rest of

1353
01:55:04,180 --> 01:55:08,640
it is still not necessary because it's restricting the capital. And that's why I think it

1354
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:12,880
needs to be divided. I think it should be, you get two things. Council wants to find

1355
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:18,520
its members for disorder who can't conduct period, new, new section, a vacancy in the office

1356
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:26,080
the mayor shall be filled by the now I get I get I get that's I'm sorry the vacancy it's pretty much

1357
01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:31,060
restricting the council members from appointing somebody just cut everything after conduct because

1358
01:55:31,060 --> 01:55:37,860
I'm for later on in the same later on in this charter you do talk about appointing council members if there's

1359
01:55:37,860 --> 01:55:43,680
a hole in the council right so you do need this paragraph so who the again let's go back to

1360
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:48,080
is a regional question. Who are the electors?

1361
01:55:49,140 --> 01:55:52,280
Okay, it was decided back in

1362
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:05,240
-

1363
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:11,180
It's not in a town charter or at the time of the return.

1364
01:56:11,780 --> 01:56:17,120
So the town represents mayor passed away in the expected lead two years ago.

1365
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,360
So that left the vacancy in the mayor's seat.

1366
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:30,860
So, because that particular line that they did there for the elected citizens to come back and vote in another rare,

1367
01:56:31,180 --> 01:56:33,720
the town council appointed a mayor.

1368
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:39,160
It wasn't filled in what did the vice mayor did not take over the seat.

1369
01:56:39,780 --> 01:56:45,260
They filled in the mayor's mayoral seat with somebody from the streets.

1370
01:56:45,260 --> 01:56:52,560
You actually have the option to do it doesn't happen and then I've seen this happen in other jurisdictions as well

1371
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:52,840
Right

1372
01:56:53,340 --> 01:56:56,520
And this charter saying you can't do that

1373
01:56:56,520 --> 01:57:00,340
This charter is saying that that whole stays until somebody's voted in

1374
01:57:01,700 --> 01:57:03,640
Be an election

1375
01:57:05,420 --> 01:57:14,980
Yeah, well, we could divide it because it is cause it is some confusion. Okay, this was this question came up in 2014 specifically about this chart

1376
01:57:14,980 --> 01:57:15,740
this charter.

1377
01:57:17,740 --> 01:57:22,980
You inquire whether a provision in Article 3, Subsection 1, 4 of the charter for the

1378
01:57:22,980 --> 01:57:26,980
town of Haymarket, which allows the Haymarket Town Council to expel a member with the

1379
01:57:26,980 --> 01:57:28,620
concurrence of two-thirds of constitutional.

1380
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:36,460
You inquire further whether 224.2, 230, through 238, the part I just referenced, which relate

1381
01:57:36,460 --> 01:57:41,280
to the removal of local elected officers, supersedes article, the charter provisions.

1382
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:45,740
Lastly, you inquire whether the mayor may vote in expulsion proceedings and whether the removal

1383
01:57:45,740 --> 01:57:50,140
of a council member requires the concurrence of two-thirds of all voting members or only

1384
01:57:50,140 --> 01:57:51,760
those present for the vote to expel.

1385
01:57:52,260 --> 01:57:59,280
And the AG's opinion in 2014 was the Provision of the Charter, which allowed the town council

1386
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:04,620
to expel a member by a two-thirds vote, is a constitutional exercise of legislative powers,

1387
01:58:04,620 --> 01:58:05,560
And essentially,

1388
01:58:08,250 --> 01:58:13,270
it supersedes, it renders the state code null

1389
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:13,770
and void.

1390
01:58:15,010 --> 01:58:17,850
And with respect to the other part, the mayor may not vote

1391
01:58:17,850 --> 01:58:20,930
in exposed supersedes, and the current of two-thirds

1392
01:58:20,930 --> 01:58:23,430
of all council members eligible to vote is required.

1393
01:58:23,610 --> 01:58:26,970
So I can't just be two-thirds of the quorum.

1394
01:58:27,330 --> 01:58:27,870
All members.

1395
01:58:28,610 --> 01:58:30,130
It's got to be two-thirds of all members.

1396
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:33,550
Two-thirds of all members eligible, whatever the hell that means.

1397
01:58:33,550 --> 01:58:37,710
two out of six, two out of six, two out of six.

1398
01:58:38,170 --> 01:58:38,670
No.

1399
01:58:38,670 --> 01:58:39,910
I think that's a council.

1400
01:58:40,290 --> 01:58:41,570
It would be on our case seven.

1401
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:42,230
No.

1402
01:58:42,610 --> 01:58:43,510
May or may not vote.

1403
01:58:44,350 --> 01:58:46,390
But the Labor Day account is still a...

1404
01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:47,030
It says here.

1405
01:58:47,090 --> 01:58:49,690
The mayor may not vote in expulsion proceedings.

1406
01:58:51,630 --> 01:58:51,790
Really?

1407
01:58:51,990 --> 01:58:53,670
If we're talking about them,

1408
01:58:53,830 --> 01:58:54,490
we're talking about them.

1409
01:58:54,490 --> 01:58:54,950
But is it?

1410
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:55,130
Yeah.

1411
01:58:55,170 --> 01:58:56,070
Why would we not?

1412
01:58:56,530 --> 01:58:57,550
If we're talking about them, we're talking about them.

1413
01:58:57,730 --> 01:58:59,710
That's just in case if the mayor is the party,

1414
01:58:59,870 --> 01:59:00,930
but if you are the party,

1415
01:59:01,270 --> 01:59:02,390
we still can't vote.

1416
01:59:03,770 --> 01:59:04,590
What the mayor?

1417
01:59:05,210 --> 01:59:05,750
What the mayor?

1418
01:59:06,330 --> 01:59:07,110
What the thing is?

1419
01:59:07,190 --> 01:59:07,810
What the thing is?

1420
01:59:08,030 --> 01:59:08,910
It's just like the video.

1421
01:59:09,370 --> 01:59:09,810
2014.

1422
01:59:10,530 --> 01:59:10,770
The mayor.

1423
01:59:11,290 --> 01:59:13,490
He's not allowed to vote.

1424
01:59:13,790 --> 01:59:15,170
So he's still got to get it before.

1425
01:59:15,530 --> 01:59:16,150
And thank you.

1426
01:59:16,610 --> 01:59:17,770
Thank you.

1427
01:59:21,740 --> 01:59:23,260
I'll do whatever you guys want to do.

1428
01:59:23,660 --> 01:59:25,120
I just don't care for that one.

1429
01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:25,920
I don't know.

1430
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:27,120
Other than that, I don't know.

1431
01:59:27,300 --> 01:59:27,720
I'm agnostic.

1432
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:30,280
So based on what you just read, Bob.

1433
01:59:30,620 --> 01:59:31,780
This is totally legal.

1434
01:59:31,780 --> 01:59:33,160
This word in here.

1435
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:35,580
Well, this is the easiest.

1436
01:59:35,580 --> 01:59:40,020
opinion, but the car is weird, you know, all the age you would have to override his opinion.

1437
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:46,620
Which they're not going to do because this is a, yeah, but this is what they call it, um,

1438
01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:53,680
in four articles of um, interpreted. Now, I can't remember what the term is, but this supersede

1439
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:58,940
state code, but try, that in this particular case, because the language in the state code

1440
01:59:58,940 --> 01:59:59,980
when they wrote it for a stop.

1441
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:15,800
Or for removal by removal by the recall petition process. Since that does not contain language that essentially says this section of the code supersedes all charters, it doesn't supersede the charter.

1442
02:00:16,300 --> 02:00:23,580
And since our charter is outside of it, the charter takes preceding a notice state code. And that's essentially what he's saying.

1443
02:00:24,380 --> 02:00:32,630
I can send everybody the better than just to have Jewel reach out to the attorney and come up with a language that suits us.

1444
02:00:33,200 --> 02:00:33,380
I would.

1445
02:00:37,380 --> 02:00:38,860
You've already heard my proposal.

1446
02:00:39,500 --> 02:00:44,500
If you get rid of and the concurrence of two thirds expel the number, then the problem goes away.

1447
02:00:44,740 --> 02:00:46,160
Then you're covered by state code.

1448
02:00:50,260 --> 02:00:52,190
Should we incorporate that by reference or no?

1449
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:03,160
I don't care about that.

1450
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:04,520
Find me all you want.

1451
02:01:04,980 --> 02:01:05,700
I don't have a question.

1452
02:01:05,980 --> 02:01:06,300
What does that mean?

1453
02:01:06,340 --> 02:01:08,780
Chief, can you give me a definition of disorderly conduct?

1454
02:01:15,030 --> 02:01:15,770
About the code.

1455
02:01:15,910 --> 02:01:17,710
Does it require a baseball bat?

1456
02:01:17,930 --> 02:01:18,130
No.

1457
02:01:28,910 --> 02:01:30,430
You know this is 2022, right?

1458
02:01:32,210 --> 02:01:32,590
No.

1459
02:01:32,730 --> 02:01:34,270
I don't want to call it a little bit different.

1460
02:01:36,270 --> 02:01:57,760
That would be, it would be an interpretation of fact, but you're talking in a civil proceeding with what you are, or discussing not from all right, back, right, so what, what the judge or prosecutor being considered as sort of the under, might be far outstanding what you are, exactly.

1461
02:01:57,760 --> 02:02:19,110
I think if you brought Maria to the meetings of Steve or just constantly or spoke her, it's just kind of full disregard for other council people, or language, I think you could go through it a lot of that and do it just really none of themselves.

1462
02:02:21,350 --> 02:02:25,830
So then we do, do we need to go further and define this somewhere in the Charmer?

1463
02:02:26,250 --> 02:02:27,990
No, if you don't.

1464
02:02:28,210 --> 02:02:34,630
But seriously, seriously, because if you're not there, then the general assembly is going to really look at it hard.

1465
02:02:35,030 --> 02:02:36,390
And I think that's what we're trying to avoid.

1466
02:02:39,820 --> 02:02:51,200
If you start trying to dictate behavioral patterns and norms or redefine, if we're going to expand this, then they're going to look at it.

1467
02:02:51,380 --> 02:02:58,500
And if we don't want anybody taking a hard look at the charter for other reasons, I wouldn't suggest going down that road.

1468
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:08,000
So then the term disorderly conduct should be interpreted in the light of the members on Colinson.

1469
02:03:08,240 --> 02:03:09,260
That's what it sounds like.

1470
02:03:09,900 --> 02:03:11,780
Or we just get rid of the whole damn thing.

1471
02:03:12,740 --> 02:03:14,580
Why didn't you just stick to a line man?

1472
02:03:15,100 --> 02:03:16,380
I don't care!

1473
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:23,380
I'll go for a speedy and see it at this point in time. If it's easier to get rid of section 4, the ones just get rid of section 4.

1474
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:27,080
It's this typical language of most charters?

1475
02:03:28,740 --> 02:03:29,500
Do we need typical?

1476
02:03:29,980 --> 02:03:31,530
Do we know how old this language is?

1477
02:03:32,100 --> 02:03:35,300
It's from the original 1950 to 1972.

1478
02:03:36,980 --> 02:03:40,640
Do we know of any other incidences where this was necessitated or any incidences?

1479
02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:44,400
But in this way, it took an HG's opinion to delve into this one.

1480
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:46,160
It sounds like we're a one-off.

1481
02:03:46,540 --> 02:03:50,600
And what is it we're trying to include is...

1482
02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:53,660
My only concern is the second clause of the first sentence.

1483
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:54,800
I don't care about the rest of it.

1484
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:57,520
Granted in the council too much power and authority

1485
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:01,800
to exercise discipline there and measure the city in council on a member.

1486
02:04:02,140 --> 02:04:03,500
It's just that we remove all.

1487
02:04:07,540 --> 02:04:14,220
So, what is the reason we'll check the balances, is that what we're looking at?

1488
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:15,120
Yeah.

1489
02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:17,420
Get rid of the first sentence and start with A vacancy.

1490
02:04:18,380 --> 02:04:19,040
Is that making happy?

1491
02:04:19,240 --> 02:04:21,240
No, but I thought that was clarified.

1492
02:04:22,060 --> 02:04:23,500
What do you give you to the first sentence?

1493
02:04:24,160 --> 02:04:26,340
We default to what is that section?

1494
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:28,160
Yeah, what's the state code?

1495
02:04:28,420 --> 02:04:29,440
2.7, whatever.

1496
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:37,400
We twenty four point two two thirty three. So so it automatically defaults to that.

1497
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:43,340
But this does allow the statement that you cannot appoint a mayor.

1498
02:04:43,640 --> 02:04:46,940
The mayor can only be installed through it.

1499
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:49,600
There's not necessarily any ways to figure. He's only a figure.

1500
02:04:50,380 --> 02:04:58,060
Well, very true, but I did have veto at one time, but I think you guys are eliminating that in this journey.

1501
02:04:58,060 --> 02:04:59,560
No, no, we kept that.

1502
02:04:59,660 --> 02:05:01,000
It's still there, it's okay.

1503
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:03,440
You got a new one.

1504
02:05:03,440 --> 02:05:04,200
I'm removing this one.

1505
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:06,080
Did you see there is a state quibro visited

1506
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:07,200
that addresses something similar?

1507
02:05:10,540 --> 02:05:14,060
It's 24 point 24 point two chapters seven, I think it was.

1508
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:16,820
What is the consensus of that was a reasonable alternative?

1509
02:05:18,060 --> 02:05:19,660
It's what happens in every other jurisdiction,

1510
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:20,580
except ours.

1511
02:05:23,890 --> 02:05:25,370
Hold both of this.

1512
02:05:25,570 --> 02:05:27,510
Oh, I had an idea.

1513
02:05:27,890 --> 02:05:28,910
Go ahead, go ahead.

1514
02:05:28,910 --> 02:05:29,470
Go ahead.

1515
02:05:30,370 --> 02:05:31,550
Oh, back up.

1516
02:05:31,690 --> 02:05:32,370
Yeah, please.

1517
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:34,250
Oh, yeah.

1518
02:05:34,250 --> 02:05:34,470
Oh, okay.

1519
02:05:34,610 --> 02:05:35,110
I tried it.

1520
02:05:35,610 --> 02:05:36,250
Yeah, the code.

1521
02:05:36,630 --> 02:05:37,170
The charter.

1522
02:05:37,330 --> 02:05:38,410
Number four, number four.

1523
02:05:39,110 --> 02:05:39,750
The charter.

1524
02:05:43,580 --> 02:05:47,260
Use the concurrence of two thirds of the vote in body.

1525
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:51,820
The council may find its members for disorderly conduct.

1526
02:05:52,120 --> 02:05:53,560
So in this case, a simple majority.

1527
02:05:55,800 --> 02:05:59,580
Of the members, not of the courtroom, want to make sure we spell it out.

1528
02:05:59,660 --> 02:06:01,100
It's not of the council members.

1529
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:02,420
And not including the mayor.

1530
02:06:02,420 --> 02:06:10,060
Right, so simple what you want to do for four or six, instead of five, instead of four, you want to do it.

1531
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:14,140
So why can't we just end it there, just put that and delete everything else?

1532
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:19,740
Well, I think that second sentence serves a point.

1533
02:06:20,940 --> 02:06:21,980
But that's address elsewhere.

1534
02:06:22,420 --> 02:06:23,360
I don't think it is.

1535
02:06:23,500 --> 02:06:29,520
I think where it's addressed elsewhere is if you have a council member that's missing, you can appoint them.

1536
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:34,400
This is saying if you have the mayor disappear, you cannot appoint a mayor.

1537
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:40,960
So back to you, Miss Kim, are you saying that nowhere else does the vacancy for the mayor appears?

1538
02:06:41,380 --> 02:06:44,800
Because if that's the case, then this has to be a separate paragraph.

1539
02:06:46,860 --> 02:06:52,840
But okay, so that means we cannot tie the mayor's aspect with the disciplinary aspect.

1540
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:54,260
It has to be a separate notion.

1541
02:06:54,260 --> 02:06:57,320
It shouldn't be. I don't know why it's written that way.

1542
02:07:07,740 --> 02:07:08,940
Number one.

1543
02:07:09,340 --> 02:07:12,320
Okay, so there's a spelling error, right? No.

1544
02:07:12,660 --> 02:07:13,340
Keyes of a tie.

1545
02:07:15,380 --> 02:07:16,580
Same article.

1546
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:23,860
I would split it and I'm okay with the fine.

1547
02:07:24,220 --> 02:07:24,980
Can you scroll down on this game?

1548
02:07:25,240 --> 02:07:25,780
Expulsion.

1549
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:28,300
What comes after that?

1550
02:07:28,300 --> 02:07:33,300
I'm sorry, I threw the grenade in there.

1551
02:07:34,280 --> 02:07:35,500
Maybe we need to just find a space.

1552
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:39,660
A place to insert the aspect of the absence of the mayor.

1553
02:07:39,940 --> 02:07:41,980
To prevent what happened in Remington.

1554
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:44,900
Is that something we could have?

1555
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:45,800
We could, why?

1556
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:48,540
I mean, most jurisdictions do that.

1557
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:49,440
What?

1558
02:07:50,240 --> 02:07:51,240
We feel the vacancy.

1559
02:07:54,280 --> 02:07:57,220
Just happened in somewhere else.

1560
02:07:57,220 --> 02:07:59,760
out in the valley.

1561
02:08:01,060 --> 02:08:02,200
The road hill, I think.

1562
02:08:02,440 --> 02:08:04,500
It was somewhere in.

1563
02:08:06,160 --> 02:08:07,620
West Central Virginia.

1564
02:08:07,980 --> 02:08:10,580
There's replaced a council member or a mayor or something like that.

1565
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:11,280
They just, you know.

1566
02:08:11,540 --> 02:08:12,220
All right, Todd jewelry.

1567
02:08:12,620 --> 02:08:14,760
I mean, there's provisions for it in the state care.

1568
02:08:14,860 --> 02:08:17,520
I mean, I guess I'll say.

1569
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:20,320
Okay, so what I'm not going to get hung up on this.

1570
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:22,580
So what about my proposal for number four?

1571
02:08:22,720 --> 02:08:23,060
I'm changing.

1572
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:25,360
What do you want to change?

1573
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:31,500
with the concurrence of two-thirds of or with the concurrence of majority.

1574
02:08:33,180 --> 02:08:34,520
Majority is two-thirds.

1575
02:08:35,180 --> 02:08:36,320
I don't want you want to use.

1576
02:08:36,620 --> 02:08:37,840
Majority are two-thirds.

1577
02:08:38,340 --> 02:08:41,280
The council may find its members for disorderly conduct.

1578
02:08:43,860 --> 02:08:45,080
And everything else is deleted.

1579
02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:48,260
Well, it's understood that it's going to require a vote to find them.

1580
02:08:48,260 --> 02:08:50,260
So you're going to have a majority.

1581
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:55,100
I don't know why you would restate there.

1582
02:08:55,400 --> 02:08:58,600
I think giving the council the power to do it is enough.

1583
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:03,100
The council may find its members for disorder to the conduct period if you want to leave that in there

1584
02:09:03,100 --> 02:09:06,520
Oh, you're saying you're assuming it has to come with a majority rule. It's gonna

1585
02:09:06,520 --> 02:09:11,020
You don't have to take a vote. You don't have to state the obvious. Yeah, yeah, okay. I see what you say

1586
02:09:11,020 --> 02:09:14,940
Just put a period after conduct ditch the expel portion

1587
02:09:14,940 --> 02:09:18,780
Yep, and I would actually make a vacancy a second second section

1588
02:09:18,780 --> 02:09:22,420
You'll remember it. But you'd want to vacancy for the don't be on the seminar

1589
02:09:33,300 --> 02:09:37,320
I don't even care if we keep that to be honest with you.

1590
02:09:41,770 --> 02:09:52,550
Ideally, the two options I've got, the two most acceptable options to me are we even at the council may find its members for disorderly conduct or strike the whole damn thing.

1591
02:09:52,550 --> 02:09:55,290
Yeah, and then you don't define uh, what uh

1592
02:09:55,290 --> 02:10:00,310
Just all down. Well, what what this orderly is? What the fine levels should be?

1593
02:10:01,490 --> 02:10:07,030
Right. I mean, you know, uh, it's some arbitrary number. You can find them. I'm going to find you a million dollars.

1594
02:10:07,330 --> 02:10:10,810
Can I get a vote? Can I get a vote for people to find about a million dollars?

1595
02:10:10,810 --> 02:10:17,710
Or we're never told it. I mean, you know, come on. It's kind of ridiculous the way it's spelled out there.

1596
02:10:17,850 --> 02:10:19,390
Okay, it's ridiculous. Why is it there?

1597
02:10:19,390 --> 02:10:25,110
Okay, so what we do we do with a vacancy is it a separate item is a vacancy a separate item?

1598
02:10:26,070 --> 02:10:34,630
I think it is. So is that a different number if you aren't keep it?

1599
02:10:34,990 --> 02:10:42,290
Go for that that sounds good you need to be a rubric for the fine

1600
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:45,770
Yeah, of course, of course,

1601
02:10:49,010 --> 02:10:54,710
everybody okay with that when this was re-appled with like three times or three pence

1602
02:10:55,830 --> 02:10:58,510
or spank a dead horse, whatever with it

1603
02:11:02,420 --> 02:11:05,140
sort of a labor to find, so we're just talking about the

1604
02:11:05,140 --> 02:11:07,180
find is that's what I was talking about.

1605
02:11:07,200 --> 02:11:07,920
It could be anything.

1606
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:14,380
I mean, to remove the mayor section to three, that way you don't have to re-number four.

1607
02:11:14,380 --> 02:11:14,800
Right.

1608
02:11:16,840 --> 02:11:18,060
Just cut and paste.

1609
02:11:19,690 --> 02:11:21,530
And what flying was

1610
02:11:26,170 --> 02:11:27,810
so we got away from remove

1611
02:11:29,230 --> 02:11:30,270
Or expel

1612
02:11:34,420 --> 02:11:38,560
Should be number three

1613
02:11:46,140 --> 02:11:49,200
You need some back space collect them. I

1614
02:11:54,900 --> 02:11:57,520
could just go back. Don't don't say you don't

1615
02:12:03,400 --> 02:12:04,660
really bring up the next one

1616
02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:07,080
You have another one

1617
02:12:07,080 --> 02:12:09,700
He's got a couple, right? Oh, my goodness

1618
02:12:09,700 --> 02:12:12,240
I'm going to go through the town.

1619
02:12:13,660 --> 02:12:14,580
I think it's all right.

1620
02:12:15,340 --> 02:12:16,740
I can look with it.

1621
02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:17,780
I'm sorry, but we're okay.

1622
02:12:18,040 --> 02:12:22,080
What fine is undefined and can be of any value or?

1623
02:12:22,180 --> 02:12:23,800
Well, we're going to vote majority.

1624
02:12:24,420 --> 02:12:26,220
So I mean, you can raise it.

1625
02:12:26,240 --> 02:12:29,080
It's at $500 and my vote is going to be.

1626
02:12:29,240 --> 02:12:31,440
Yes, but I do agree with the fine.

1627
02:12:33,660 --> 02:12:34,940
We want to get rid of the fine.

1628
02:12:35,220 --> 02:12:36,240
Well, take it that easy.

1629
02:12:37,420 --> 02:12:40,100
What would you put in instead just get rid of the gold?

1630
02:12:40,100 --> 02:12:42,060
Okay, I'm gonna hold our dance room.

1631
02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:46,800
Well, keep the bank and see what is the accuracy of her sentence.

1632
02:12:47,020 --> 02:12:52,580
What is the reason for having a fine disorder in the conduct?

1633
02:12:52,740 --> 02:12:59,560
I mean, if you have one council member, that's going against the green and behaving in a manner

1634
02:12:59,560 --> 02:13:04,900
which the rest of the council deems to be inappropriate, especially to residents.

1635
02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:13,080
Okay? And that person is not willing to do to see their error, okay?

1636
02:13:15,390 --> 02:13:18,990
Then this is a good way to bring them back in line.

1637
02:13:19,610 --> 02:13:23,110
Yeah, and now you're making, now you're going to make me argue against that.

1638
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:28,090
You've got to identify the amount of the fine, you've got to identify what happens when he does.

1639
02:13:28,090 --> 02:13:32,510
Well, who says that the women is a fine necessarily monetary?

1640
02:13:33,310 --> 02:13:33,750
Yes.

1641
02:13:34,990 --> 02:13:38,630
By default, shouldn't it be a fine or shouldn't it be a sanction of some kind?

1642
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:45,820
I mean, you start to get all kinds of different descriptions that need to go into place.

1643
02:13:46,580 --> 02:13:52,040
Mr. Mayor, I move the removal of the first sentence to council may find its members for disorderly conduct

1644
02:13:52,040 --> 02:13:54,720
and with the concurrence of two-thirds of its fellow member.

1645
02:13:55,420 --> 02:13:56,040
There's my motion.

1646
02:13:56,660 --> 02:14:05,640
motion on the floor and then you just leave the vacancy that would eliminate any of use of power

1647
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:13,720
I'll second motion in second last chance for discussion on it

1648
02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:21,360
What is what is the punitive damn what is the punitive is not they're removing it?

1649
02:14:21,420 --> 02:14:24,560
We're taking it out. We're gonna vote or I don't just we don't have to

1650
02:14:25,600 --> 02:14:31,780
because this is just getting too much, so it will be a strong man, but I don't just go for moving on.

1651
02:14:33,450 --> 02:14:37,170
I don't know, because if you guys are going to strike that first line in a second,

1652
02:14:37,470 --> 02:14:40,930
what I recommend is we leave number four as if they can see.

1653
02:14:42,370 --> 02:14:44,470
Yeah, all I'm doing is taking out the first set.

1654
02:14:44,690 --> 02:14:45,890
Yes, and then see what Martin says.

1655
02:14:45,950 --> 02:14:46,750
Yeah, back space.

1656
02:14:46,910 --> 02:14:48,110
Just go back space then.

1657
02:14:48,310 --> 02:14:49,750
What is the reverse to removing the member?

1658
02:14:49,930 --> 02:14:50,910
We're taking that all together.

1659
02:14:53,390 --> 02:14:53,930
Here's a conclusion.

1660
02:14:53,930 --> 02:14:55,130
And what we're doing is okay.

1661
02:14:55,730 --> 02:14:59,970
My argument was that if it's up to a council to remove some.

1662
02:15:04,120 --> 02:15:10,300
Okay, round table, straw man, aye. Yes? Yes.

1663
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:12,160
So we're good. Let's move on.

1664
02:15:12,300 --> 02:15:14,220
Good job, Joe. Sorry.

1665
02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:18,480
I'm not going to do it anymore.

1666
02:15:19,180 --> 02:15:20,840
Okay. Let it go.

1667
02:15:21,120 --> 02:15:22,380
It's not that important.

1668
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:24,160
I mean, you sure.

1669
02:15:25,940 --> 02:15:28,240
Just Article 3 Section 1.

1670
02:15:28,240 --> 02:15:32,860
Number one, Article

1671
02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:42,680
3, Section 1, it's got that July in there, is that necessary any longer,

1672
02:15:45,640 --> 02:15:53,420
shouldn't it, or if it's a temporary, yeah, should that change the January?

1673
02:15:54,060 --> 02:15:59,280
Yeah, that should have been changed. Yeah, that was an overlook.

1674
02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:05,220
the council of the first day of the year,

1675
02:16:05,500 --> 02:16:09,260
followed termination, or until the respects of serve.

1676
02:16:09,580 --> 02:16:10,620
Yeah, so be general.

1677
02:16:11,980 --> 02:16:13,700
I thought we changed all of that.

1678
02:16:13,700 --> 02:16:14,500
No, that was there.

1679
02:16:17,160 --> 02:16:18,060
I won't go with you.

1680
02:16:18,060 --> 02:16:22,580
We did change all of this, because that's got November in the second paragraph, which is also long.

1681
02:16:24,060 --> 02:16:25,580
No, but November is wrong too.

1682
02:16:26,100 --> 02:16:26,820
Oh, now you're right.

1683
02:16:26,820 --> 02:16:31,640
right. The first two is they after. Yeah. That's fine. That's for the election. I know

1684
02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:34,800
I changed this and all the stuff that I sent more. And I guess you missed it.

1685
02:16:38,350 --> 02:16:38,730
Now that's

1686
02:16:38,730 --> 02:16:46,410
fine. What was that? No, no. It was a little bit. Again. It's a question for Martin. What's

1687
02:16:46,410 --> 02:16:51,670
the difference between voter and the elector? There's no definition in the charter. It's a good

1688
02:17:04,650 --> 02:17:05,150
Okay,

1689
02:17:09,530 --> 02:17:19,290
now we need

1690
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:24,240
to get rid of the other section too.

1691
02:17:24,820 --> 02:17:31,280
No, but I am an elector and also a voter, but only you get to replace the mayor.

1692
02:17:37,250 --> 02:17:37,270
Yep.

1693
02:17:41,240 --> 02:17:42,380
That course.

1694
02:17:42,860 --> 02:17:44,880
So that's...

1695
02:17:44,880 --> 02:17:47,760
So then if you go down on this section for,

1696
02:17:50,260 --> 02:17:51,940
there's a vacant theme house in New York,

1697
02:17:52,100 --> 02:17:54,520
you call that council from the electors at the end.

1698
02:17:54,520 --> 02:17:56,200
Oh, you sit guys.

1699
02:17:56,260 --> 02:17:57,220
No, no, no.

1700
02:17:57,540 --> 02:17:58,020
Yes.

1701
02:18:02,180 --> 02:18:03,720
Get rid of that, Sam.

1702
02:18:03,720 --> 02:18:06,420
No, the term elector is used in two cases.

1703
02:18:06,720 --> 02:18:09,920
It's used as a voter of the tone, and also someone

1704
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:11,960
now they reference voters differently.

1705
02:18:16,980 --> 02:18:22,040
Elected by the qualified voters, and then the seven electors are named.

1706
02:18:22,180 --> 02:18:25,560
They're denominated mayor and six other electors.

1707
02:18:25,560 --> 02:18:29,060
Electors mean in someone who can vote, and also who's voted in.

1708
02:18:29,540 --> 02:18:29,840
Now.

1709
02:18:33,080 --> 02:18:35,920
And I want to hear an apology next meeting.

1710
02:18:43,160 --> 02:18:45,880
I think the term electors is used twice.

1711
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:47,840
Is used in two different cases.

1712
02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:55,060
And then to complicate,

1713
02:18:58,740 --> 02:18:59,460
to complicate it tomorrow.

1714
02:18:59,580 --> 02:19:02,300
Mary had asked about the gender neutral phrases.

1715
02:19:02,300 --> 02:19:05,400
If you saw councilman in here, does that?

1716
02:19:05,400 --> 02:19:06,080
Council members?

1717
02:19:06,360 --> 02:19:06,740
Council members?

1718
02:19:07,380 --> 02:19:10,080
It's my dear one councilman that I saw earlier.

1719
02:19:10,100 --> 02:19:10,220
Yeah.

1720
02:19:10,740 --> 02:19:12,220
As you went, go back up.

1721
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:12,480
Go back up.

1722
02:19:12,820 --> 02:19:13,900
Just then and see what you did.

1723
02:19:13,940 --> 02:19:14,380
Yeah, dear.

1724
02:19:14,500 --> 02:19:15,240
The councilman.

1725
02:19:16,520 --> 02:19:17,220
Thanks, councilman.

1726
02:19:19,220 --> 02:19:19,860
Thanks, councilman.

1727
02:19:21,620 --> 02:19:22,700
No, it's a good case.

1728
02:19:23,020 --> 02:19:23,800
I'm sorry to do this, too.

1729
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:26,200
If her terms means saying so.

1730
02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:28,140
Good catch.

1731
02:19:33,160 --> 02:19:33,460
Exactly.

1732
02:19:33,940 --> 02:19:34,520
I'm there.

1733
02:19:38,480 --> 02:19:43,300
Yeah, because what that's saying is that it's only the council members that select in the mirror

1734
02:19:43,300 --> 02:19:48,460
But yeah, let me let Virginia guide our hand right I'm good

1735
02:19:50,540 --> 02:19:53,160
That's the whole thing

1736
02:19:54,860 --> 02:19:58,860
Yeah, lecturers in the state code are a different animal in voters

1737
02:19:59,560 --> 02:20:05,940
Because you've got you've got different kinds of electors like the presidential electors to go to the electoral college

1738
02:20:07,600 --> 02:20:09,660
You've got other electors.

1739
02:20:09,820 --> 02:20:10,780
Oh, it's accepted.

1740
02:20:12,220 --> 02:20:14,020
No, what I'm saying is it's not voters.

1741
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:15,680
They are not voters.

1742
02:20:15,960 --> 02:20:16,660
They're not people.

1743
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:17,240
Pretty much.

1744
02:20:17,440 --> 02:20:22,820
They are people with signed-a-specific tact, a specific ability to vote on something specific.

1745
02:20:23,540 --> 02:20:24,060
And that would

1746
02:20:29,370 --> 02:20:29,750
be.

1747
02:20:29,850 --> 02:20:33,550
Yeah, electors are not chosen by the voters.

1748
02:20:33,890 --> 02:20:36,030
Electors are selected by the body.

1749
02:20:39,940 --> 02:20:42,660
I would delete the rest of it for it to be offered to be offered to be offered.

1750
02:20:44,220 --> 02:20:53,280
We can do a straw man again if you want we get rid of it getting rid of the whole thing

1751
02:20:54,100 --> 02:20:59,080
Round table strike up strike Joe. Tries to win

1752
02:21:01,560 --> 02:21:02,840
Much on

1753
02:21:03,480 --> 02:21:07,580
Thank the whole paragraph or keep it rely on a Virginia code

1754
02:21:16,050 --> 02:21:22,670
I think it's because we have other ways of doing it by code.

1755
02:21:24,130 --> 02:21:24,630
Okay.

1756
02:21:24,750 --> 02:21:25,570
I'm good.

1757
02:21:29,940 --> 02:21:30,780
Let me see.

1758
02:21:32,380 --> 02:21:33,320
Let's see.

1759
02:21:34,260 --> 02:21:35,120
That's it.

1760
02:21:35,160 --> 02:21:35,500
Okay.

1761
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:37,000
My only recommendation.

1762
02:21:37,300 --> 02:21:39,720
Please do a word search for men.

1763
02:21:40,020 --> 02:21:42,480
And make sure that we got council men everywhere.

1764
02:21:44,020 --> 02:21:46,700
And change it to.

1765
02:22:04,970 --> 02:22:05,650
Some of.

1766
02:22:06,170 --> 02:22:06,350
Second.

1767
02:22:06,350 --> 02:22:07,490
Okay.

1768
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:12,800
Hi.

1769
02:22:14,840 --> 02:22:16,360
Yes. Yes.

1770
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:24,620
Hey. Get that on to Martin and shoot it out to Dan here.

1771
02:22:25,900 --> 02:22:31,940
Without objection, direct staff provide me with a red line copy from Martin

1772
02:22:31,940 --> 02:22:37,180
and a clean copy from Martin. Hopefully by closing business tomorrow

1773
02:22:37,180 --> 02:22:39,660
so I get a certain delegate off my back.

1774
02:22:43,100 --> 02:22:53,140
Okay, so the delegate will stop calling me and asking me about it, now she wants to meet it to suffice after the meeting.

1775
02:22:53,380 --> 02:22:53,520
Okay.

1776
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:56,400
What, which will you done before they all closed?

1777
02:22:57,640 --> 02:22:58,560
Not the way it's looking.

1778
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:00,440
Let's move on.

1779
02:23:02,340 --> 02:23:03,300
Next item.

1780
02:23:05,580 --> 02:23:06,560
Let's be RFP notice.

1781
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:07,820
Love intent.

1782
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:10,020
Do you want to do that?

1783
02:23:10,020 --> 02:23:12,320
We already want to go back and clean up the other one.

1784
02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:12,540
We can go.

1785
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:15,460
We'll go back and clean up the other one.

1786
02:23:15,780 --> 02:23:17,180
I'll just go through the rest of the agenda.

1787
02:23:17,900 --> 02:23:18,740
Let's go through my agenda.

1788
02:23:18,760 --> 02:23:18,820
Go through my agenda.

1789
02:23:18,820 --> 02:23:19,140
Go through my agenda.

1790
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:21,340
So March on, stay as whatever it is that I mean.

1791
02:23:24,700 --> 02:23:25,700
Should I build not you, though?

1792
02:23:26,260 --> 02:23:26,900
No, just zero.

1793
02:23:27,080 --> 02:23:27,180
Okay.

1794
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:27,960
Right.

1795
02:23:41,190 --> 02:23:41,590
Okay.

1796
02:23:47,410 --> 02:23:48,210
You know.

1797
02:23:53,930 --> 02:23:54,330
Right.

1798
02:23:54,930 --> 02:23:55,010
Right.

1799
02:23:59,970 --> 02:24:05,710
With that objection, direct staff to proceed with sending out the nose of intent to award in the contract.

1800
02:24:06,730 --> 02:24:07,350
Any objection?

1801
02:24:08,710 --> 02:24:09,790
Move forward, please.

1802
02:24:11,790 --> 02:24:12,210
Next item.

1803
02:24:13,390 --> 02:24:13,930
AirB.

1804
02:24:14,230 --> 02:24:15,150
Make it see appointments.

1805
02:24:16,130 --> 02:24:16,210
Okay.

1806
02:24:16,290 --> 02:24:17,230
Click that also.

1807
02:24:18,550 --> 02:24:21,230
We, the outgoing, share person.

1808
02:24:21,910 --> 02:24:24,450
Sharon and King had a reference, Tracy.

1809
02:24:25,290 --> 02:24:30,290
and thought she was a good candidate, and then Ben is an active member in our community

1810
02:24:30,290 --> 02:24:37,710
over in low community, in low-community, in low-community, in low-community, I'm sorry,

1811
02:24:38,030 --> 02:24:38,590
Stacey, thank you everyone.

1812
02:24:38,850 --> 02:24:46,470
I'm sorry, Stacey, I miss them, but it's new faces, new energies, so I think it would

1813
02:24:46,470 --> 02:24:49,890
appreciate the council's support of these candidates,

1814
02:24:53,070 --> 02:24:54,550
and if they both, also, if you read

1815
02:24:54,550 --> 02:24:55,890
to click right up, they wrote in both,

1816
02:24:55,890 --> 02:24:57,330
both have some applicable backgrounds.

1817
02:24:57,530 --> 02:24:59,890
I think there'll be good contributors for the group.

1818
02:25:08,690 --> 02:25:10,650
Can they simply move all three?

1819
02:25:10,970 --> 02:25:12,610
Let's see, well, now I've got to do by name,

1820
02:25:12,750 --> 02:25:13,690
right in the draft motion.

1821
02:25:14,190 --> 02:25:15,530
Where's the draft motion here?

1822
02:25:16,830 --> 02:25:17,270
TARP.

1823
02:25:17,270 --> 02:25:18,110
Period, TARP.

1824
02:25:18,570 --> 02:25:22,090
So I have a draft one, a page and one, 31.

1825
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:25,210
I can do the ARP ones, if I can.

1826
02:25:25,730 --> 02:25:26,190
I got it.

1827
02:25:26,190 --> 02:25:27,170
OK, we got it.

1828
02:25:28,830 --> 02:25:31,650
OK, so I move to a point

1829
02:25:31,650 --> 02:25:54,950
Sandy Freeman to the Haymarket Planning Commission with a term expire in June 30th, 2026 also move to a point Stacy Kern to the architectural review board with a term expire in June 30th, 2023 and a point Ben Barbon to the architectural review board with a term expiring June 30th, 2026.

1830
02:25:56,390 --> 02:25:57,190
Second,

1831
02:26:01,170 --> 02:26:11,030
but in reference to the vice mayor, I wouldn't ask to divide the question between

1832
02:26:11,030 --> 02:26:14,230
the planning commission and the architectural review boards terms,

1833
02:26:18,670 --> 02:26:22,010
so I move to amend which

1834
02:26:22,010 --> 02:26:27,770
roll your motion. Okay, if you, if you, if you, or we can go suddenly and then, or we can

1835
02:26:28,590 --> 02:26:34,610
you, I would throw the motion. It would just be easier rather than going through the whole

1836
02:26:34,610 --> 02:26:41,310
way. I would throw the motion. I would throw the motion. I would move to a point, Cindy Freeman,

1837
02:26:41,450 --> 02:26:47,510
to the Haymarket Planning Commission with a term expiring June 30th, 2026. Second.

1838
02:26:47,510 --> 02:26:48,730
I've got it.

1839
02:26:49,250 --> 02:26:50,370
Not too far.

1840
02:26:50,550 --> 02:26:50,750
Okay.

1841
02:26:50,810 --> 02:26:51,650
Motion and second.

1842
02:26:51,890 --> 02:26:53,010
Last chance for discussion.

1843
02:26:54,030 --> 02:26:55,410
Let's put it up for vote.

1844
02:26:56,110 --> 02:26:57,630
Someone who is statement will make.

1845
02:26:57,890 --> 02:26:58,370
I'm a piece.

1846
02:27:03,820 --> 02:27:05,220
We know you're here.

1847
02:27:06,380 --> 02:27:08,780
We're doing the report on a rope roll call, though.

1848
02:27:09,020 --> 02:27:10,440
Just because.

1849
02:27:10,440 --> 02:27:10,680
Okay.

1850
02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:11,620
We are.

1851
02:27:11,620 --> 02:27:12,520
I can abstain.

1852
02:27:13,080 --> 02:27:13,300
All right.

1853
02:27:13,440 --> 02:27:13,800
Here.

1854
02:27:14,840 --> 02:27:15,320
abstain.

1855
02:27:16,440 --> 02:27:16,540
Aye.

1856
02:27:19,360 --> 02:27:19,700
Aye.

1857
02:27:21,620 --> 02:27:21,780
Aye.

1858
02:27:21,780 --> 02:27:26,980
I move to a point, Stacy Kern, to the architectural review board with a term

1859
02:27:26,980 --> 02:27:33,040
expiring June 30th, 2023, and the point Ben Barbon to the architectural review board

1860
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:35,720
with a term expiring June 30th, 2026.

1861
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:40,520
The motion second, last chance for discussion.

1862
02:27:42,540 --> 02:27:43,560
All right.

1863
02:27:43,560 --> 02:27:44,480
Hi.

1864
02:27:45,380 --> 02:27:45,640
Yes.

1865
02:27:46,280 --> 02:27:46,700
Yes.

1866
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:50,300
Okay.

1867
02:27:53,930 --> 02:27:58,630
Next item, safe streets for reds for all grants.

1868
02:27:58,630 --> 02:27:59,090
It

1869
02:28:23,410 --> 02:28:28,450
seems to be work as state of crossings of railroad tracks,

1870
02:28:28,630 --> 02:28:31,770
based on also some of your slides, while crosswalks,

1871
02:28:32,270 --> 02:28:35,350
but transportation from a transportation project

1872
02:28:35,350 --> 02:28:42,090
that will increase safety and help lower the project depths

1873
02:28:42,090 --> 02:28:45,050
that have been in the rear and the different areas

1874
02:28:45,050 --> 02:28:47,090
of how much transportation lives.

1875
02:28:47,750 --> 02:28:50,050
So there's a letter of support here.

1876
02:28:50,430 --> 02:28:52,490
You'll also see this staff report.

1877
02:29:15,770 --> 02:29:22,230
This was actually heard this afternoon by the county and they did adopt it without objection.

1878
02:29:22,230 --> 02:29:25,530
and I would just direct the merit execute this.

1879
02:29:25,970 --> 02:29:26,350
A little objection.

1880
02:29:27,270 --> 02:29:27,750
Any objections?

1881
02:29:29,070 --> 02:29:29,290
Okay.

1882
02:29:30,050 --> 02:29:31,670
We will execute it then.

1883
02:29:33,230 --> 02:29:34,350
Moving on.

1884
02:29:35,890 --> 02:29:37,390
Up over meeting dates.

1885
02:29:42,060 --> 02:29:43,720
Two items of the way to move.

1886
02:29:44,440 --> 02:29:47,600
So maybe a place near myself in the clerk will use it.

1887
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:51,790
On our don.

1888
02:29:51,790 --> 02:29:52,870
That's what's

1889
02:29:57,920 --> 02:29:59,960
better asking to bump in me.

1890
02:30:00,270 --> 02:30:26,650
We're looking to move forward to the first on Tuesday as well. So we've pointed the Halloween holiday and we would like to talk about that at some of the December 24th.

1891
02:30:30,130 --> 02:30:36,290
So, median date is a fourth and 24th,

1892
02:30:38,600 --> 02:30:41,180
24th, 24th.

1893
02:30:42,740 --> 02:30:43,700
Any objections?

1894
02:30:47,350 --> 02:30:50,770
Direct to make that on the calendar.

1895
02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:54,140
Okay.

1896
02:30:54,500 --> 02:30:55,470
We got a table item.

1897
02:30:56,440 --> 02:30:57,460
We have a motion.

1898
02:30:58,340 --> 02:30:59,220
Mr. Mayor, it moved.

1899
02:30:59,220 --> 02:31:09,040
remove, remove resolution 2022 stroke 012 from the table, okay, it's off the table open

1900
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:18,600
for discussions, okay, on favor, all right, it's up for discussion, I'm

1901
02:31:18,600 --> 02:31:24,460
sure, I appreciate the courtesy, while I say it I was texting with Mary, she's okay

1902
02:31:24,460 --> 02:31:27,600
with us if they're so desired with this forward and night.

1903
02:31:27,900 --> 02:31:29,640
She's fine with the council move in that forward.

1904
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:34,400
First of all, we've seen that it's been a very deliberate

1905
02:31:34,400 --> 02:31:34,920
exercise.

1906
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:37,360
I appreciate the time and effort that finance committee

1907
02:31:37,360 --> 02:31:39,080
put into it, especially the staff.

1908
02:31:39,260 --> 02:31:39,820
Good presentation.

1909
02:31:40,180 --> 02:31:40,500
Good background.

1910
02:31:40,680 --> 02:31:42,060
I think it was a very transparent exercise.

1911
02:31:42,860 --> 02:31:43,320
That's great.

1912
02:31:45,060 --> 02:31:47,420
We have any public speakers tonight on this.

1913
02:31:47,520 --> 02:31:49,820
Do we have any online comments?

1914
02:31:50,420 --> 02:31:53,840
Do we have any comments that we have heard from constituents

1915
02:31:53,840 --> 02:31:55,600
and friends and neighbors?

1916
02:31:56,280 --> 02:31:56,620
Thank you, General.

1917
02:32:00,330 --> 02:32:00,990
I written them.

1918
02:32:01,170 --> 02:32:01,590
It was questions.

1919
02:32:01,810 --> 02:32:02,290
Go through real quick.

1920
02:32:02,390 --> 02:32:04,350
We talked about the police.

1921
02:32:04,850 --> 02:32:07,550
I did catch part of the conversation earlier as I was driving back.

1922
02:32:08,210 --> 02:32:10,830
One of the concerns when we came up.

1923
02:32:10,830 --> 02:32:13,550
We had a discussion about whether or not to fill the six officer or not.

1924
02:32:13,750 --> 02:32:19,810
One of the concerns that I presented was the fact that we were going to be in a position to support

1925
02:32:19,810 --> 02:32:20,770
the hotel growth.

1926
02:32:20,790 --> 02:32:22,790
I didn't even think about the paragraph.

1927
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:33,730
So, the discussion that was tonight, Chief, I apologize to Mr. Presentation, but the proposal would be that we need a upcoming part-time officer, or that's our administrative need.

1928
02:32:34,650 --> 02:32:37,850
No, I did not present on that anything on that tonight.

1929
02:32:38,050 --> 02:32:50,850
Okay, I know that the town manager, Treasurer, presented the overview of that issue, but I would not be prepared to give any statement on that right now without some further review.

1930
02:32:51,370 --> 02:32:54,930
So it would be a very premature for me to speak to that.

1931
02:32:55,470 --> 02:32:56,990
I apologize if I spoke out of turn.

1932
02:32:57,410 --> 02:32:59,290
No, I'm just answering your question.

1933
02:33:00,090 --> 02:33:01,710
The potential may be there.

1934
02:33:02,470 --> 02:33:06,110
But it would take a further study on my part to give you an evaluation.

1935
02:33:06,690 --> 02:33:10,890
And there would be no statistics that would indicate that.

1936
02:33:11,010 --> 02:33:17,110
This would all be determining looking forward on the expansion and what needs we may.

1937
02:33:17,110 --> 02:33:27,410
I guess, point of information, you did say that we have a budget for a part-time officer.

1938
02:33:27,870 --> 02:33:32,410
We have part-time officers, and we have budget for the part-time.

1939
02:33:32,410 --> 02:33:34,210
And extra part of the part-time?

1940
02:33:34,390 --> 02:33:36,070
No, not next year.

1941
02:33:36,730 --> 02:33:42,250
We are maxed out now with our part-time officers, but we did not budget outside of the scope of that.

1942
02:33:42,670 --> 02:33:48,390
Okay, so when I caught earlier that there was a discussion of a temporary or a part-time

1943
02:33:48,390 --> 02:33:50,410
police officer, what was that in relation to you?

1944
02:33:50,510 --> 02:33:51,350
Work on admin.

1945
02:33:51,470 --> 02:33:52,190
Part-time admin.

1946
02:33:52,590 --> 02:33:52,670
Okay.

1947
02:33:52,670 --> 02:33:53,730
Well that's where I'm just understood.

1948
02:33:53,890 --> 02:33:54,890
I'm just sort of the statement.

1949
02:33:56,990 --> 02:34:01,530
If we were to need additional officer assistance, do you know off top of your head with a general

1950
02:34:01,530 --> 02:34:04,710
up fit is for a new officer equipment and other stuff?

1951
02:34:05,010 --> 02:34:09,770
If you're looking at the benefits of for a full-time officer, you're talking around $100,000

1952
02:34:09,770 --> 02:34:16,470
about 7,522 outfit, a new officer, and that's without being, well, that's best radio

1953
02:34:16,470 --> 02:34:17,170
that thing.

1954
02:34:17,410 --> 02:34:18,150
You have those buttons.

1955
02:34:18,250 --> 02:34:23,970
If you look towards a vehicle, you could probably add about another 50,000 on that, because

1956
02:34:23,970 --> 02:34:28,790
it's not just the normal and current cost of expanding our fleet, it's the fact that you've got

1957
02:34:28,790 --> 02:34:30,150
another radio set.

1958
02:34:30,590 --> 02:34:33,870
Now, another blue light set, another console.

1959
02:34:34,050 --> 02:34:37,670
You have all that expansion, far surpassing what we are at.

1960
02:34:37,670 --> 02:34:38,150
Okay.

1961
02:34:38,570 --> 02:34:43,010
So 50,000 would probably be a good round number for that, so you're looking at that one.

1962
02:34:43,210 --> 02:34:50,050
So, for 160 plus, if we went that full shopping list, it's out at the officer, that's

1963
02:34:50,050 --> 02:34:51,870
75, I'm understanding it's static.

1964
02:34:52,450 --> 02:34:53,150
It's not going to change.

1965
02:34:53,350 --> 02:34:53,650
That is right.

1966
02:34:53,810 --> 02:34:56,070
It was at a gig, or she would have to have.

1967
02:34:56,490 --> 02:34:58,490
And, of course, the benefits package would be long with that.

1968
02:34:58,630 --> 02:35:00,390
The vehicle would be an open discussion point.

1969
02:35:01,190 --> 02:35:05,630
In terms of our befunding, we can't use it for operational, we can use it for general capital,

1970
02:35:05,630 --> 02:35:07,290
or if we needed that event a new officer?

1971
02:35:07,970 --> 02:35:10,490
No, we could do that, okay.

1972
02:35:11,890 --> 02:35:16,820
We can't use your product service for that service.

1973
02:35:17,160 --> 02:35:17,320
Okay.

1974
02:35:18,300 --> 02:35:19,400
Thank you for that exercise.

1975
02:35:19,900 --> 02:35:24,040
I was, I'm this, I'm heard the admin assistant distinction.

1976
02:35:25,660 --> 02:35:27,780
The debt that we have left, you know,

1977
02:35:27,780 --> 02:35:29,460
it's about the library of the earlier today.

1978
02:35:30,280 --> 02:35:32,320
What are the pros and cons if we were to take these monies

1979
02:35:32,320 --> 02:35:33,220
and pay off our debts?

1980
02:35:33,340 --> 02:35:36,440
So right now we're paying like 12,000 per month maybe

1981
02:35:36,440 --> 02:35:39,680
on our, how much we pay him for a month on our real estate loans?

1982
02:35:52,290 --> 02:35:53,370
Are you on the mic?

1983
02:35:53,830 --> 02:35:55,670
Make sure that the town can hear.

1984
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:57,630
Open your project.

1985
02:35:58,470 --> 02:36:03,670
We, we, as part of the presentation, but we also ran this scenario about a year and a half ago

1986
02:36:04,990 --> 02:36:09,030
and considering the rates that we had it didn't benefit the town to pay him earlier,

1987
02:36:09,490 --> 02:36:14,950
so we're just going, then the thought was to just remain making the payments as is.

1988
02:36:15,550 --> 02:36:17,170
So there's not a benefit to paying off early.

1989
02:36:17,170 --> 02:36:17,590
Yeah, okay.

1990
02:36:18,270 --> 02:36:23,930
Other than we save the, it comes off our monthly and comes off our month, month, month, month,

1991
02:36:23,950 --> 02:36:26,510
the line item and we say potentially on some interest.

1992
02:36:26,870 --> 02:36:31,210
It comes out for a yearly budget because it's a, it's not a monthly thing.

1993
02:36:32,230 --> 02:36:33,830
It's a, it's a, I was from a floating in the front.

1994
02:36:34,030 --> 02:36:35,030
And I'm cutting it, yeah.

1995
02:36:35,850 --> 02:36:36,010
Okay, yep.

1996
02:36:36,010 --> 02:36:36,070
Okay.

1997
02:36:36,070 --> 02:36:36,510
Thank you for preparing.

1998
02:36:36,750 --> 02:36:39,550
Can I clarify that and so, so that

1999
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:45,640
the interest in the answer to that.

2000
02:36:46,040 --> 02:36:46,100
Okay.

2001
02:36:47,240 --> 02:36:48,160
Police, we might talk about.

2002
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:51,760
Are there other options from the staff perspective that the money could be used

2003
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:58,040
for surplus money, immediate needs that maybe I'll turn it up like I'm

2004
02:36:58,040 --> 02:37:00,700
starting to push on the spot, but are there other needs that could be that we

2005
02:37:01,300 --> 02:37:03,920
have coming up that are readily not

2006
02:37:10,030 --> 02:37:11,890
immediate, but I mean there are other

2007
02:37:11,890 --> 02:37:15,470
opportunities I think we discussed earlier, I don't know how much you heard of it,

2008
02:37:16,630 --> 02:37:20,630
just bits and pieces and some, was there any key takeaways or other service based

2009
02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:25,590
opportunities that we can use it for, okay, to some easy examples,

2010
02:37:28,530 --> 02:37:28,910
if not, that's

2011
02:37:28,910 --> 02:37:31,210
OK, I'm taking advantage of the time you guys

2012
02:37:31,210 --> 02:37:33,230
help for me.

2013
02:37:33,330 --> 02:37:34,870
Limit on the ARPA funds.

2014
02:37:34,990 --> 02:37:36,370
Do we have a sunset clause?

2015
02:37:37,190 --> 02:37:37,630
No.

2016
02:37:39,310 --> 02:37:40,030
So OK.

2017
02:37:40,250 --> 02:37:41,310
And the only limits on the time we

2018
02:37:41,310 --> 02:37:43,130
do in a couple of projects, but what are the things

2019
02:37:43,130 --> 02:37:45,170
that we cannot use it for again?

2020
02:37:46,950 --> 02:37:48,550
Pensions and the debt obligation.

2021
02:37:49,190 --> 02:37:51,990
But we did the allowance pretty much

2022
02:37:51,990 --> 02:37:56,050
can use it for anything operational if we

2023
02:37:56,050 --> 02:37:59,050
needed to, which other scholarships have been?

2024
02:38:00,670 --> 02:38:02,670
That's kind of a kind of a drastic one thing.

2025
02:38:03,010 --> 02:38:05,610
I think it's a bad idea to spend money on operational

2026
02:38:06,250 --> 02:38:07,130
operational expenditures.

2027
02:38:07,250 --> 02:38:08,090
No, I don't know.

2028
02:38:08,110 --> 02:38:08,750
I don't think we should.

2029
02:38:08,790 --> 02:38:10,390
Those are actually come out of our revenue.

2030
02:38:11,810 --> 02:38:12,250
Um,

2031
02:38:14,620 --> 02:38:16,820
the, when Skatey did the, there was a Christmas,

2032
02:38:17,220 --> 02:38:18,060
Coon that did the memo.

2033
02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:20,200
There was a memo that did some estimates on the finishing

2034
02:38:20,200 --> 02:38:23,600
up the town center project in the, in the, in the sidewalk.

2035
02:38:24,160 --> 02:38:29,880
was the sidewalk about 600 grand was that total everything else in there so I think back

2036
02:38:29,880 --> 02:38:39,080
but 2020-21 I think the estimated cost was about 600 and some change obviously the

2037
02:38:39,080 --> 02:38:42,780
times was like they probably went up.

2038
02:38:46,260 --> 02:38:50,440
Question I go for like the town park sidewalk but

2039
02:38:50,440 --> 02:38:56,220
be 250 enough to offer to cover the potentially cover the whole cost of that project and not

2040
02:38:56,220 --> 02:38:59,360
have to potentially look at grants or loans to do it?

2041
02:38:59,640 --> 02:39:00,740
No, no.

2042
02:39:01,300 --> 02:39:02,180
The 250 wouldn't cover that.

2043
02:39:02,180 --> 02:39:05,020
Well, you know, Councilman Ware stated,

2044
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:07,660
we do have profits out of 400 and some change,

2045
02:39:08,740 --> 02:39:10,780
but we would still, you know, 250 could offset that

2046
02:39:10,780 --> 02:39:15,200
to totally complete pay that if you were to use it that way.

2047
02:39:18,010 --> 02:39:21,010
But we've already committed part of the deal

2048
02:39:21,010 --> 02:39:24,470
was committing the remainder of the surplus to that correct.

2049
02:39:25,390 --> 02:39:26,850
So if you free up the ARPA funds,

2050
02:39:28,510 --> 02:39:32,610
I think the discussion was made guess to do that here.

2051
02:39:32,790 --> 02:39:39,170
So in essence, in essence, between the Prophors and the remainder of the surplus, we talked

2052
02:39:39,170 --> 02:39:42,850
about Prophors being restricted and those come in in future years.

2053
02:39:43,870 --> 02:39:47,670
So probably then we just got an update on that to see them.

2054
02:39:47,870 --> 02:39:48,790
The third ground's property?

2055
02:39:49,250 --> 02:39:49,350
Yeah.

2056
02:39:49,570 --> 02:39:52,890
One of the expected to pay the entirety of them for the end of the fiscal year.

2057
02:39:52,890 --> 02:39:54,770
We're all 79 units, we're sorry,

2058
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:11,280
talking 12 months, 14 months, I think the comedy made earlier was by the end of June.

2059
02:40:15,700 --> 02:40:20,440
Okay, because living next to the VanMeter project hasn't happened that fast.

2060
02:40:22,280 --> 02:40:23,960
VanMeter's already turned to where

2061
02:40:33,560 --> 02:40:34,980
they are falling in the line.

2062
02:40:36,020 --> 02:40:38,820
I guess the point being, is it's at some point in the future.

2063
02:40:39,880 --> 02:40:42,800
And those are deer marked monies for specific elements.

2064
02:40:43,620 --> 02:40:45,420
Thank you for my introductory questions.

2065
02:40:45,860 --> 02:40:48,940
So, I'm of the opinion we're behind.

2066
02:40:49,620 --> 02:40:50,380
We have been behind.

2067
02:40:50,780 --> 02:40:51,720
We continue to be behind.

2068
02:40:52,180 --> 02:40:54,620
We have master plan projects that have been on the books for years.

2069
02:40:56,280 --> 02:40:58,120
I hope to see the park done before my kids.

2070
02:40:58,240 --> 02:40:59,480
We get out of elementary school.

2071
02:40:59,580 --> 02:41:01,140
They're not going to see it until they get out of high school.

2072
02:41:01,820 --> 02:41:04,960
We have these project here that has to put some public open space.

2073
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:07,260
We do we have, but not a lot.

2074
02:41:07,520 --> 02:41:09,360
The van meter project is going to have a small playground.

2075
02:41:10,140 --> 02:41:10,600
We've walked away.

2076
02:41:10,600 --> 02:41:14,620
So we walked away as a wrong turn, but we've moved away from the potential for the parks

2077
02:41:14,620 --> 02:41:16,760
to be used at the QBE campus.

2078
02:41:17,940 --> 02:41:20,680
So we're still behind in terms of meeting a service need.

2079
02:41:21,480 --> 02:41:25,520
When I look through each of these slides, we talk about our befunding looking at the design

2080
02:41:25,520 --> 02:41:29,420
phases, but we still don't get us to the finish line or potentially not to the finish line.

2081
02:41:30,420 --> 02:41:35,500
The construction phase for the building is opposed to loans of grants, the town center master

2082
02:41:35,500 --> 02:41:40,380
plan, loans of grants that get us in the construction phase, so we're still relying on

2083
02:41:40,380 --> 02:41:47,460
futures, how can we use that money now to complete those projects rather than having

2084
02:41:47,460 --> 02:41:51,460
to continue to wait and offset? If we wait for the proper money, that's going to be further

2085
02:41:51,460 --> 02:41:57,560
down the line. So, I think I heard a point about investment. I think we have made an investment.

2086
02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:02,480
With the CARES Act funding that we have done, which we have in the report, the stimulus

2087
02:42:02,480 --> 02:42:08,640
money that we've gotten from the federal government, I think there's a lot of efforts

2088
02:42:08,640 --> 02:42:14,280
that we've tried to do to offset the fiscal impact that the country is serving, I think, particularly our residents.

2089
02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:20,280
But we are at a disadvantage. We have a town center where we don't even meet our own zoning regulations.

2090
02:42:20,940 --> 02:42:26,240
Grab a parking lot, don't meet any of the landscaping standards and yet we're making expectations of these new developments

2091
02:42:26,700 --> 02:42:30,260
to give us a polished new look, yet we seem to fall behind.

2092
02:42:31,440 --> 02:42:35,360
So I feel like these monies, that's why I asked the question earlier about that 250.

2093
02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:45,820
Can we not earmark or push money so at least get one of these projects fully funded and not have to rely on future loans or grants or future revenues to be able to fund it?

2094
02:42:45,980 --> 02:42:46,800
Can we fund it now?

2095
02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:48,520
So that's part of...

2096
02:42:49,020 --> 02:42:49,600
Oh my god.

2097
02:42:49,740 --> 02:42:51,200
I'm just about to say after the question.

2098
02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:55,460
So I think in theory, is it...

2099
02:42:55,460 --> 02:42:56,360
Do we have the right to do?

2100
02:42:56,400 --> 02:42:58,120
I certainly think we have the right to do it.

2101
02:42:58,780 --> 02:42:59,800
Is it the right thing to do?

2102
02:43:00,040 --> 02:43:03,740
I'm still on the fence that this is the right time to pull that trigger.

2103
02:43:04,880 --> 02:43:10,640
I think I heard some of the comments about, in security of the future, I feel like we still need to tread lightly.

2104
02:43:11,360 --> 02:43:14,180
I think we need to be conservative about the funding that we do have available.

2105
02:43:14,920 --> 02:43:18,580
About the opinion that we need to put that investment now and not continue to delay.

2106
02:43:19,100 --> 02:43:21,680
The need is now. The need is yesterday.

2107
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:27,700
And so the priority being getting the sidewalk done and fully funded, I think we can move that quicker.

2108
02:43:27,700 --> 02:43:34,060
I think the way we had gone about that project may have moved a little bit farther along or delayed a little bit.

2109
02:43:34,560 --> 02:43:39,680
The town of part building in that space, whether we use that part space or not, we need bathrooms now, we need a Mr. Mac.

2110
02:43:40,940 --> 02:43:51,080
The farmers market is popular, it is growing, and I think we need to go ahead and finish out this project as quickly as we can as well.

2111
02:43:51,080 --> 02:43:53,060
So that's my only concern, is by doing this,

2112
02:43:53,060 --> 02:43:57,920
the 250, are we eliminating, or are we further delaying?

2113
02:43:58,500 --> 02:44:00,760
Or, I think we talked about some of the future revenues

2114
02:44:00,760 --> 02:44:02,140
that we anticipate having.

2115
02:44:03,820 --> 02:44:07,200
Do we run the risk of having this project's future delayed

2116
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:08,840
in the future budget year?

2117
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:11,500
I've said the same thing several times,

2118
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:13,420
but that's the opinion that I am now.

2119
02:44:13,620 --> 02:44:16,960
Someone who just bought a house, it probably

2120
02:44:16,960 --> 02:44:19,140
the higher end of the market, I'm going to feel that real estate

2121
02:44:19,140 --> 02:44:21,000
by someone who has kids in schools,

2122
02:44:21,700 --> 02:44:23,940
I'm feeling the zoning changes and a lot of things that are happening.

2123
02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:26,080
So I think a particular position to say is going to hurt.

2124
02:44:27,560 --> 02:44:30,360
But with that, that costs back be nice certainly,

2125
02:44:30,520 --> 02:44:34,000
but if it's the risk of pushing other projects down the line

2126
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:39,440
to future years, I think we're going to run the risk of being

2127
02:44:39,440 --> 02:44:41,500
not being in the same financial situation later

2128
02:44:41,500 --> 02:44:43,720
and still being back to where we were before.

2129
02:44:44,080 --> 02:44:46,280
So, thank you.

2130
02:44:47,740 --> 02:44:53,600
Can't go around for rebuttals, but in answer to your question now, it's not going to make a difference.

2131
02:44:55,340 --> 02:44:59,980
And I think this will be laid out earlier. There are a variety of different revenue streams that are out.

2132
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,960
And whether we, whether we do it, whether we incumber it now or later, it's not going to make a damn that a difference in terms of the timeline.

2133
02:45:11,360 --> 02:45:16,980
You know, I think you're marking 250,000 dollars for the sidewalk is going to make it get paved one day earlier.

2134
02:45:17,580 --> 02:45:24,520
You're marking 250,000 dollars to this, to this town center project, is it going to make it happen one year earlier?

2135
02:45:26,680 --> 02:45:31,260
The money's out there and this is why we looked at this holistically across all the different

2136
02:45:31,260 --> 02:45:36,600
revenue streams and with the timelines, the projected timelines for the projects, figuring

2137
02:45:36,600 --> 02:45:41,740
where the revenue streams are going to stand, where do we have capital, what's going to happen,

2138
02:45:42,100 --> 02:45:47,360
how much capital becomes available when we retire the debt service through normal, through

2139
02:45:47,360 --> 02:45:48,300
normal policies.

2140
02:45:49,360 --> 02:45:53,960
And when you're talking about projects, the magnitude of the town center project.

2141
02:45:53,960 --> 02:46:02,340
That's not something you generally fund with cash on hand and we should be in a position, depending on what the rates are.

2142
02:46:04,480 --> 02:46:15,840
But we're in a very good position to fund anything that we need to fund with longer term bonds, which is the better way to do it.

2143
02:46:17,080 --> 02:46:21,680
Yes, we can accommodate some things in a short term, but there's only so much we can do.

2144
02:46:21,680 --> 02:46:26,140
We haven't even issued the bloody RFP on the sidewalk yet.

2145
02:46:30,160 --> 02:46:37,380
So it's throwing, is earmarking money out of it that we won't be around to ensure that

2146
02:46:37,380 --> 02:46:42,400
it actually gets spent on that, going to make it happen one day sooner, the answer is no.

2147
02:46:42,980 --> 02:46:46,720
Is it going to make, if we don't do it, is it going to make it one day slower?

2148
02:46:47,880 --> 02:46:48,240
No.

2149
02:46:50,020 --> 02:46:55,940
But I think that's where we, I think that's tell me if I'm talking out of turn here.

2150
02:46:56,400 --> 02:47:00,440
But I think that's why we're looking at this across the board and down the road.

2151
02:47:00,900 --> 02:47:04,700
Where is the money going to be not just this year, but next year and the year after that?

2152
02:47:04,940 --> 02:47:08,360
Is there going to be a sufficient revenue stream to do that?

2153
02:47:09,560 --> 02:47:18,220
We've already broached the subject of an additional officer with the chief in some of the

2154
02:47:22,550 --> 02:47:32,950
There's only so much we can do right now, just because of the way we have to go through the contracting process and the planning process and how long things have taken us.

2155
02:47:34,510 --> 02:47:39,950
I mean, if $250,000 could make the sidewalk go faster, I'd be all for it, but it's not going to.

2156
02:47:39,950 --> 02:47:42,810
How about then you talked about not typically paying with clad cash?

2157
02:47:42,990 --> 02:47:44,190
We typically don't have RP funds.

2158
02:47:44,850 --> 02:47:47,930
We not reallocate all those RP funds to fully fund that.

2159
02:47:48,070 --> 02:47:52,350
Put it in the lock box to higher interest rates so it sits there and gains interest.

2160
02:47:53,450 --> 02:47:57,330
And have that fully funded and then use the rest of the master plan and the other projects

2161
02:47:57,330 --> 02:47:59,170
pull from those other revenues.

2162
02:47:59,470 --> 02:48:02,710
And what do you want to pay for with the RP funds?

2163
02:48:03,070 --> 02:48:05,670
I mean, that's why we put it in the lock box.

2164
02:48:05,810 --> 02:48:06,370
Well, here's the problem.

2165
02:48:06,370 --> 02:48:09,750
So that we could take advantage of the different revenue streams that combined.

2166
02:48:09,910 --> 02:48:14,010
If we're going to, there's also $400,000 in maintenance and CIP money in the budget.

2167
02:48:14,490 --> 02:48:15,630
It's frustrated by this.

2168
02:48:15,630 --> 02:48:16,310
It's a natural budget.

2169
02:48:16,730 --> 02:48:21,890
Looking at the particular construction phase, it seems like we're at a point now where

2170
02:48:21,890 --> 02:48:26,370
we, none of the projects were able to get to construction phase in the current financial

2171
02:48:26,370 --> 02:48:27,850
situation that we are in right now.

2172
02:48:27,870 --> 02:48:29,130
I don't think you're correct on that.

2173
02:48:29,150 --> 02:48:29,650
Right, we can.

2174
02:48:29,890 --> 02:48:33,290
Right now, we're relying on the future, and that's what concerns me is we're waiting

2175
02:48:33,290 --> 02:48:35,890
for these monies to come in, and that's going to push it out to further years.

2176
02:48:35,890 --> 02:48:39,650
You know, I think we've got enough money on hand to finish some of the construction phases.

2177
02:48:40,630 --> 02:48:42,070
We've been affected that year.

2178
02:48:42,470 --> 02:48:45,070
Specifically the park and the town center.

2179
02:48:45,070 --> 02:48:46,390
This says loans and grants.

2180
02:48:47,470 --> 02:48:48,310
They're ready, not ours.

2181
02:48:50,430 --> 02:48:54,630
Those are options for other additional sources of revenue.

2182
02:48:55,370 --> 02:49:00,910
I think the way I'm looking at it, we should have plenty of money to do.

2183
02:49:00,910 --> 02:49:09,790
Roberto, I weigh off base here, given the assets we currently have, and will likely have within

2184
02:49:09,790 --> 02:49:15,470
the next 12 to 18 months, we should have enough capital if we so chose.

2185
02:49:15,950 --> 02:49:30,730
It isn't that we have that counter argument that we shouldn't be relying on funds that are

2186
02:49:30,730 --> 02:49:43,610
not a significant amount of tariff or money, and it's coming in, or will be coming in on a fairly regular basis unless you think the van meters are going to suddenly stop building halfway through a townhouse.

2187
02:49:43,810 --> 02:49:50,730
So what I ask this another way, and I appreciate for the debate, is the finance group feels like we can through

2188
02:49:51,270 --> 02:49:59,530
ARPA funds, combination of ARPA funds, and profit dollars, funds through the construction phase of at least one of these projects or two of these projects.

2189
02:49:59,750 --> 02:50:02,850
I think between Joe, kick me if I'm wrong.

2190
02:50:03,390 --> 02:50:12,510
I think between ARPA funds, profit funds, what's built into the CIP portion of the budget that we've already, I think it's like $300,000.

2191
02:50:12,510 --> 02:50:21,390
something like that, 200 or something. Between that, unrealized proper money yet without having

2192
02:50:21,390 --> 02:50:30,090
to rely on next year's revenues, next year's, next year's, surpluses or any grants, I think

2193
02:50:30,090 --> 02:50:32,210
we could finish two of the projects, yes.

2194
02:50:33,270 --> 02:50:37,150
Appreciate the banter. The other sort of way I looked at as well is our underperforming assets.

2195
02:50:37,150 --> 02:50:43,290
right we have the we had some forming us with the museum the earliest miss we got the park right

2196
02:50:43,290 --> 02:50:47,330
now we don't have a public restroom that's an immediate need so those are monies that the

2197
02:50:47,330 --> 02:50:53,530
250 thousand dollars could cause yes no so that's under concern too is if we're going to push that

2198
02:50:53,530 --> 02:51:00,130
improvement off another 12 to 18 months that's a need that's going to soon as these houses get occupied that's a

2199
02:51:00,130 --> 02:51:02,410
that's generated immediately.

2200
02:51:02,490 --> 02:51:11,730
I get it, but are you going to construct a separate stand-alone restroom facility, apart

2201
02:51:11,730 --> 02:51:16,850
from the existing structure, or are you going to provide a temporary one until you're not

2202
02:51:16,850 --> 02:51:17,470
in it?

2203
02:51:17,730 --> 02:51:22,350
I guess I'm going to say, why build a permanent solution, or semi-permanent solution to the

2204
02:51:22,350 --> 02:51:27,710
restaurant, to the restroom problem, when you don't know what the status of the building

2205
02:51:27,710 --> 02:51:28,030
is?

2206
02:51:28,030 --> 02:51:31,310
And that's my point is if it's within a $250,000 budget,

2207
02:51:31,430 --> 02:51:33,190
and we can pull that cut, if we go get our estimates,

2208
02:51:33,290 --> 02:51:36,790
if we hold on to this money for now, look at what those estimates

2209
02:51:36,790 --> 02:51:39,070
might be, whether we use it as a meeting space,

2210
02:51:39,230 --> 02:51:40,670
whether we use it as a public restroom,

2211
02:51:41,230 --> 02:51:43,510
or if we turn the whole thing down and rebuild from scratch,

2212
02:51:44,630 --> 02:51:47,030
can we go to that exercise that could potentially be used

2213
02:51:47,030 --> 02:51:49,590
for this $250 grand, and not have to wait,

2214
02:51:50,410 --> 02:51:52,090
because what we have available, all they gotta do

2215
02:51:52,090 --> 02:51:54,450
is get the design, pull the trigger and off we go.

2216
02:51:54,670 --> 02:51:57,690
I don't think that $250,000 would make a difference

2217
02:51:57,690 --> 02:52:02,010
given the time line. I mean we don't even we haven't even got in the engineers in

2218
02:52:02,010 --> 02:52:09,570
there yet. So I mean we're talking. I mean I get it. We're talking 18 months

2219
02:52:09,570 --> 02:52:14,530
at best until you turn a spade and we've already locked boxed. How much?

2220
02:52:17,150 --> 02:52:19,070
How long was it

2221
02:52:19,070 --> 02:52:22,930
taken us to get the RFP for the sidewalk? You think that's going to happen any faster?

2222
02:52:23,690 --> 02:52:29,990
I don't all the saying there's there's other things perhaps low thing for that we could have a more impactful immediate immediate need

2223
02:52:30,850 --> 02:52:35,610
versus continuing to sort of push off that push off and have these projects continue to be pushed out to future

2224
02:52:35,610 --> 02:52:40,890
I don't think we're pushing things off. I think we're actually John actually getting you a plan to fund them and fund them right now

2225
02:52:42,250 --> 02:52:46,330
This was a holistic thing across the entire across the entire spectrum

2226
02:52:47,050 --> 02:52:52,330
And I think the term I had heard earlier was trying to balance both, right, and meeting the CIP needs, and meeting the...

2227
02:52:54,190 --> 02:52:57,110
If you're asking me what I said earlier, I said it's a balance approach.

2228
02:52:57,430 --> 02:52:57,970
Balance approach?

2229
02:52:58,430 --> 02:52:59,550
Trying to listen then.

2230
02:52:59,610 --> 02:52:59,750
Yeah.

2231
02:53:00,030 --> 02:53:00,390
No, it's...

2232
02:53:00,390 --> 02:53:01,830
Did hear someone saying no texting and driving.

2233
02:53:02,710 --> 02:53:03,510
I said...

2234
02:53:03,510 --> 02:53:04,670
My opinion that's...

2235
02:53:04,670 --> 02:53:05,770
Oh, you heard that one.

2236
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:07,070
I think that was her.

2237
02:53:07,170 --> 02:53:07,350
Yeah.

2238
02:53:07,470 --> 02:53:08,310
You should be texting.

2239
02:53:08,950 --> 02:53:09,510
Why you're driving?

2240
02:53:09,990 --> 02:53:10,390
Confirm.

2241
02:53:10,790 --> 02:53:14,010
So, I mean, I'm not going to go through the whole...

2242
02:53:14,010 --> 02:53:14,430
Let me...

2243
02:53:14,430 --> 02:53:15,170
No, you don't need to again.

2244
02:53:15,330 --> 02:53:15,610
Okay.

2245
02:53:15,610 --> 02:53:20,650
But essentially what I said was that I think it's a very balanced approach for the town

2246
02:53:20,650 --> 02:53:28,490
We are making investments in the CIP. We are making investments in the people in the businesses by giving back some money that they could sorely use

2247
02:53:29,190 --> 02:53:35,850
Okay, I think we're missing a couple of things here and Roberto can clarify it this meeting or another meeting

2248
02:53:35,850 --> 02:53:42,990
What have you but we have a number of unrestricted net assets that's incredible for this town in my opinion

2249
02:53:42,990 --> 02:53:48,250
I don't know what the number is, he probably has in the top of his head, but it's the most I've ever seen.

2250
02:53:49,090 --> 02:53:50,490
So we have funding available.

2251
02:53:51,130 --> 02:53:52,690
We have a very strong reserve.

2252
02:53:52,850 --> 02:53:55,110
I'm not even sure what we have in reserve anymore.

2253
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:59,070
Given the fact that we have about 36%.

2254
02:54:00,310 --> 02:54:00,790
36%.

2255
02:54:00,790 --> 02:54:02,370
Most communities run at what?

2256
02:54:02,870 --> 02:54:03,250
15?

2257
02:54:03,930 --> 02:54:04,950
15 is available.

2258
02:54:05,710 --> 02:54:08,470
So we have funds available if need be.

2259
02:54:08,830 --> 02:54:10,990
But we still have to figure out what are we going to do?

2260
02:54:10,990 --> 02:54:16,970
We need to have the strategy discussion and figure out what we're going to be investing in and we need an implementation.

2261
02:54:17,670 --> 02:54:20,030
Yeah, I thought we had, which is the three projects we talked about.

2262
02:54:20,310 --> 02:54:26,810
We do, but we still, I mean, because we're hearing other things here that are in need,

2263
02:54:27,150 --> 02:54:34,410
Ken's talking about his framework, also talking about doing an assessment of all the assets in the town.

2264
02:54:35,590 --> 02:54:35,730
What?

2265
02:54:37,030 --> 02:54:39,610
Would those be separate exercises independent of this?

2266
02:54:39,610 --> 02:54:43,530
Yeah. Well, the kid help inform. We're doing our strategy.

2267
02:54:46,090 --> 02:54:48,770
It's just we obviously couldn't have anything else that's happened.

2268
02:54:48,930 --> 02:54:51,970
It's been a long time since we've had a significant...

2269
02:54:51,970 --> 02:54:53,610
We're going to...

2270
02:54:54,510 --> 02:54:55,470
Strategic planning.

2271
02:54:56,850 --> 02:54:58,410
It's just what it's boiling down today.

2272
02:54:58,470 --> 02:54:58,950
What's that?

2273
02:54:59,030 --> 02:54:59,950
Strategic planning.

2274
02:55:00,490 --> 02:55:00,830
Okay, I just...

2275
02:55:01,170 --> 02:55:02,850
It makes me nervous that we continue.

2276
02:55:03,110 --> 02:55:06,070
We've not had a major project under construction.

2277
02:55:07,270 --> 02:55:08,570
We had the need coming.

2278
02:55:08,570 --> 02:55:12,930
We have the sidewalks that we're going to have to look into, it just feels like we should.

2279
02:55:14,620 --> 02:55:14,940
Okay.

2280
02:55:15,360 --> 02:55:15,860
I send my piece.

2281
02:55:16,100 --> 02:55:16,420
Thank you.

2282
02:55:16,620 --> 02:55:21,540
Yeah, and I think we've addressed all these outside of you, not being here too.

2283
02:55:21,800 --> 02:55:25,700
Like I said, vibrato around, but I guess Tracy Lynn, are you done, Joe?

2284
02:55:27,600 --> 02:55:27,720
Okay.

2285
02:55:27,940 --> 02:55:30,100
You have a comment tracing Chris?

2286
02:55:30,960 --> 02:55:32,380
My position is still the same.

2287
02:55:32,600 --> 02:55:40,240
I think it is a mistake for us to push ahead and spend this money as part of this.

2288
02:55:40,240 --> 02:55:47,360
the real estate tax refund. I think there's one thing that we're missing in the whole equation.

2289
02:55:48,600 --> 02:55:54,680
We hired a staff for a particular reason. We depend on our staff for a particular reason.

2290
02:55:55,120 --> 02:56:02,180
You guys have heard our staff member, the treasurer, shared his opinion and he's been here

2291
02:56:02,180 --> 02:56:11,000
watch different councils over the years and his opinion on this is not the best use of the money

2292
02:56:11,000 --> 02:56:18,060
at this point in time and I don't think we are paying attention to what he's saying. I'm going

2293
02:56:18,060 --> 02:56:26,380
to hold firm to my convictions that this is not the right time. It is not the right approach. I think

2294
02:56:26,380 --> 02:56:35,740
could look at a real estate refund, but we need to do more research. This presentation was probably

2295
02:56:35,740 --> 02:56:43,260
one of the best ones that we've ever had that I've ever sat through in my eight years. The

2296
02:56:43,260 --> 02:56:47,900
depth of what we went through with the presentation is one of the best ones that I've seen,

2297
02:56:48,740 --> 02:56:56,280
but I still think that we are missing the board in not giving due diligence and due respect to

2298
02:56:56,280 --> 02:57:02,460
the treasure and the tone staff has altered in his opinion of the money and I think we are

2299
02:57:02,460 --> 02:57:13,200
making a mistake on it and I understand it's democracy and majority rules but it's I'm I'm

2300
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:18,240
I'm holding firm to my convictions that there are other service areas that we could use this money

2301
02:57:18,800 --> 02:57:25,780
to to better the entire community are not just the business owners or the

2302
02:57:25,780 --> 02:57:32,460
residential owners. Thank you sir. Okay, and I know you had a lot of cross-talk, but I'll give you the last word.

2303
02:57:32,760 --> 02:57:33,680
My final question.

2304
02:57:33,940 --> 02:57:36,420
No, I just, I think this is a good exercise.

2305
02:57:36,620 --> 02:57:43,140
Deliberate exercise. I appreciate the background and the discussion. I think my points and counter points.

2306
02:57:43,220 --> 02:57:45,880
I hopefully we're not disrespectful to your efforts that we're going on.

2307
02:57:46,100 --> 02:57:51,380
So I appreciate the deliberative exercise. I am not comfortable at this point.

2308
02:57:51,380 --> 02:57:55,600
that we don't lose an opportunity by putting the surplus by giving out the surplus.

2309
02:57:56,020 --> 02:57:59,220
I understand the intent. I understand the need and that's where the council goes.

2310
02:57:59,720 --> 02:58:03,400
I'll be right behind it. The only other thing I'd say is it's it's a little

2311
02:58:03,400 --> 02:58:07,300
it's interesting. There's two ways to read no public comment. You don't know what has an issue with it.

2312
02:58:10,960 --> 02:58:15,260
Or people didn't know about it. So we don't we have no way to measure that

2313
02:58:15,260 --> 02:58:18,160
when nobody's here. So that's why I asked a really question public comment.

2314
02:58:18,160 --> 02:58:24,720
feedback, we have not seen that so we can sort of do a publication blitz under the public hearing

2315
02:58:24,720 --> 02:58:28,200
and putting on our agendas but I don't know that I will just point that that would advance

2316
02:58:28,200 --> 02:58:28,680
the discussion.

2317
02:58:28,920 --> 02:58:33,500
They further, if we got more public input on which way to win again, would they better use

2318
02:58:33,500 --> 02:58:38,920
of having the funds come in or would they be comfortable having those monies put into some

2319
02:58:38,920 --> 02:58:39,760
more immediate need.

2320
02:58:40,760 --> 02:58:45,700
So at this point, I'm not prepared tonight to vote yes to the surplus.

2321
02:58:45,700 --> 02:58:53,020
I just tap onto something if these allow me to. I will be short if I give you and that's fine.

2322
02:58:53,140 --> 02:58:59,120
That's fine. But I just think we do need to make an extra effort to get more public input.

2323
02:58:59,900 --> 02:59:05,380
And Martian made a key point maybe the public didn't really know what was going on.

2324
02:59:05,540 --> 02:59:11,180
And we know the participation of our community members that sometimes it takes some pride in for them to get involved.

2325
02:59:11,180 --> 02:59:17,460
I don't know if it means for us to go outside and do the blitz or do something else to get people involved.

2326
02:59:18,420 --> 02:59:24,940
But I think like the 7 of us, it's not enough to figure out what the community really wants or what their comments are.

2327
02:59:25,060 --> 02:59:32,980
Maybe we could table it and get some more comments, find different ways to get their comments on certain things.

2328
02:59:32,980 --> 02:59:43,080
I would support that, but I cannot support making a rash judgment on $250,000 for a real estate refund.

2329
02:59:43,660 --> 02:59:45,260
Thank you for your generosity.

2330
02:59:45,880 --> 02:59:46,840
Okay, Bob.

2331
02:59:51,390 --> 02:59:54,730
Try and maintain my clunks. I'm getting pretty damn pissed off.

2332
02:59:55,930 --> 02:59:57,090
You don't want to hear about rash.

2333
02:59:58,070 --> 02:59:59,970
You guys have heard about this for four guys.

2334
03:00:01,360 --> 03:00:07,300
In Joe and I have worked with the treasurer and the time manager on this four months.

2335
03:00:10,060 --> 03:00:12,080
There is nothing rash about this.

2336
03:00:13,100 --> 03:00:21,940
As to the treasurer's input. I don't appreciate you guys putting them on the spot. This isn't his call. This is a policy decision.

2337
03:00:24,370 --> 03:00:30,590
This is a policy decision that falls on us and I didn't say this earlier because it was a kind of advanced the argument

2338
03:00:30,590 --> 03:00:32,850
But that's our responsibility

2339
03:00:33,790 --> 03:00:38,280
and putting him on the spot and

2340
03:00:38,280 --> 03:00:42,460
Using him against the I mean that that that that that's really problematic for me

2341
03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:51,380
If if it weren't a policy this if if if this wasn't our responsibility to deal with

2342
03:00:51,380 --> 03:00:56,960
If it wasn't a hard question that we have to make the decision on and

2343
03:00:56,960 --> 03:01:02,020
We were just going to leave it to the treasure to make all of those decisions and why do we

2344
03:01:02,020 --> 03:01:06,000
vote on the budget, why do we draft the budget, why do we even sit here?

2345
03:01:09,060 --> 03:01:16,260
This is all responsibility and I could not take loose in the vote, I can, you know, but

2346
03:01:19,290 --> 03:01:22,870
one of the reasons that you're setting up here is to make the heart decision and this is one

2347
03:01:22,870 --> 03:01:29,780
of those heart decisions and after all the works that Roberto and Emily have put into this

2348
03:01:29,780 --> 03:01:35,680
all the time that Joe and I have spent on it. There's nothing rash about this. There's nothing

2349
03:01:36,580 --> 03:01:39,700
there's nothing where this is sneaking up on anybody.

2350
03:01:41,840 --> 03:01:46,640
I mean, what did I start bringing this up before we, before we adopted last the current budget?

2351
03:01:46,980 --> 03:01:50,820
Four months ago? Nothing that I said, said you were wrong. I'm not accusing you.

2352
03:01:51,600 --> 03:01:55,120
You're not the one who said rash. We just wanted to make sure there was no surprises.

2353
03:01:55,120 --> 03:02:02,380
Yeah, there's no surprises here and I don't I don't I don't like the fact that you guys are putting

2354
03:02:02,380 --> 03:02:07,660
Wanted to put in the treasure and a rough spot. No treasure is going to tell you to give money back

2355
03:02:09,300 --> 03:02:10,640
That's not what I guess

2356
03:02:10,640 --> 03:02:19,340
I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm just going to get off my cell box and I'm not going to say anything else

2357
03:02:20,540 --> 03:02:22,980
If you don't put on the spot, I would apologize for that.

2358
03:02:23,200 --> 03:02:28,400
Most of my, what I do is a full-time job, every report that ever comes out, that

2359
03:02:28,400 --> 03:02:30,820
office is expected to have a staff recommendation.

2360
03:02:31,800 --> 03:02:32,560
That's expected.

2361
03:02:32,920 --> 03:02:34,700
With a time was off for that, I would apologize.

2362
03:02:35,200 --> 03:02:39,340
But they would always, as an alternative to the policy decision makers, whatever other options

2363
03:02:39,340 --> 03:02:40,020
are there opportunities.

2364
03:02:40,280 --> 03:02:41,720
And that's what I meant by that comment.

2365
03:02:42,120 --> 03:02:44,500
But I would always expect that we would have a staff recommendation.

2366
03:02:45,200 --> 03:02:51,020
And it's not to be contrary into what the council is saying, but it was more of other immediate

2367
03:02:51,020 --> 03:02:55,680
opportunities that we could put that into, ask questions answered, ask an answer, and I think

2368
03:02:55,680 --> 03:02:56,180
we're fine.

2369
03:02:57,040 --> 03:03:03,260
And on the comment of RASH, maybe I did use an improper word, and there has been deliberate

2370
03:03:03,260 --> 03:03:06,320
discussions on it, and I apologize for using the word RASH.

2371
03:03:06,900 --> 03:03:11,900
If I put you on this spot, I don't apologize, because I depend on your input.

2372
03:03:11,900 --> 03:03:16,320
So if you're expecting an apology from me for putting it in a spot. I'm not given one

2373
03:03:17,400 --> 03:03:23,660
Thank you, sir. Okay, I think we're set for the we're just apologizing and trying to

2374
03:03:23,660 --> 03:03:27,400
Group hug yeah, so roll call vote, please

2375
03:03:32,200 --> 03:03:32,760
No

2376
03:03:43,780 --> 03:03:49,440
I do appreciate the time and effort you guys put into. That's good exercise.

2377
03:03:49,860 --> 03:03:57,460
Yep, you did hear my opinion on that too. Okay, we're on to the next round of agenda items.

2378
03:03:58,400 --> 03:04:01,300
Council member time. Vice Mayor, you're first.

2379
03:04:01,400 --> 03:04:02,200
Thank you.

2380
03:04:02,860 --> 03:04:08,380
I wanted to say thank you for all that came out to the summer concert. It was a huge success.

2381
03:04:08,380 --> 03:04:11,200
and I do appreciate the continued support

2382
03:04:11,200 --> 03:04:14,220
at the farmers market and the community garden.

2383
03:04:15,140 --> 03:04:17,740
So our business roundtable, the quarterly event,

2384
03:04:17,860 --> 03:04:20,780
will be September 20th, but date was marked wrong

2385
03:04:20,780 --> 03:04:24,340
within the agenda, so September 20th, 830.

2386
03:04:24,800 --> 03:04:27,540
We're going to be highlighting some marketing going

2387
03:04:27,540 --> 03:04:29,540
into the fall holiday season.

2388
03:04:30,200 --> 03:04:32,320
And then I would just like to remind everyone

2389
03:04:32,320 --> 03:04:34,840
we would love to have citizen input.

2390
03:04:35,100 --> 03:04:38,360
If you're unable to make citizen time during our monthly meeting,

2391
03:04:38,360 --> 03:04:44,420
things feel free to email your comments and they get read into our minutes.

2392
03:04:46,940 --> 03:04:49,340
Okay, Councilmember Morif.

2393
03:04:49,540 --> 03:04:50,280
Thank you, sir.

2394
03:04:51,480 --> 03:04:52,800
Ms. Emily, congratulations.

2395
03:04:53,300 --> 03:04:54,040
Five years.

2396
03:04:54,400 --> 03:04:55,980
I know you've been through a lot.

2397
03:04:56,820 --> 03:04:57,880
Like a lot.

2398
03:04:58,800 --> 03:05:01,780
You survived during some tough moments.

2399
03:05:02,480 --> 03:05:04,880
So, thank you for your dedication to the tone.

2400
03:05:06,620 --> 03:05:08,660
Staff, financial liaison.

2401
03:05:08,660 --> 03:05:13,280
Once, thank you for the financial presentation that you put forward.

2402
03:05:15,320 --> 03:05:20,380
This, again, I said it, but this has probably been one of the best presentations I've ever

2403
03:05:20,380 --> 03:05:22,900
seen while sitting here.

2404
03:05:23,140 --> 03:05:27,000
And I knew that if Mary was here, maybe we would have had the mayor to break the vote.

2405
03:05:28,980 --> 03:05:37,420
But my last comment is the 33rd annual Haymarket Day Celebration October 15th.

2406
03:05:37,420 --> 03:05:47,280
get into word out. Thank you sir. Okay. Council member Schneider. Do appreciate the

2407
03:05:47,280 --> 03:05:50,720
courtesy and extended to me with my schedule today. Do appreciate the time and

2408
03:05:50,720 --> 03:05:56,880
taking the time to say schools in session. I think my kids are doing well.

2409
03:05:57,380 --> 03:06:02,060
Chief, thanks for the efforts at the police making. I'm getting that done. Thanks for

2410
03:06:02,060 --> 03:06:05,540
staff to reach an out to the council members about the various topics that we've

2411
03:06:06,500 --> 03:06:11,540
to weigh in on and I do appreciate that. In addition to Hamarket Day we also have the election

2412
03:06:11,540 --> 03:06:18,520
coming up. So we all please reach out to our friends and neighbors and people that we interact

2413
03:06:18,520 --> 03:06:23,520
with and just encourage them to come out and make their vote heard. Thanks.

2414
03:06:25,020 --> 03:06:33,100
Okay. Council Member Pasanella. I really appreciate the sausage making tonight. It's been a very

2415
03:06:33,100 --> 03:06:40,240
the kids of state and lighten and illuminating discussion but that's that's what it's all about.

2416
03:06:40,720 --> 03:06:47,280
We discuss it, we vote and we move on. So Kudos to everybody here in the staff as well for putting

2417
03:06:47,280 --> 03:06:53,400
that information out there. I want to raise the fact that we have an anniversary coming on Sunday,

2418
03:06:53,600 --> 03:07:00,580
9-11, never forget where we commemorate those innocence that lost their lives and as well as

2419
03:07:00,580 --> 03:07:04,620
others who have lost their lives due to the response after.

2420
03:07:05,660 --> 03:07:08,700
So I think we should keep that very close to our hearts.

2421
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:13,260
I want to thank Officer King Chan for helping me out Chief.

2422
03:07:13,760 --> 03:07:19,140
There was a gentleman with his son before I was going to New York that morning who was

2423
03:07:19,140 --> 03:07:21,680
lost, didn't know where he was going.

2424
03:07:21,840 --> 03:07:28,760
He was trying to get his son signed up for school, five years old, neither one of them could

2425
03:07:28,760 --> 03:07:33,200
speak a lick of English, I think they spoke Mandarin, or Cantonese, it wasn't sure.

2426
03:07:33,580 --> 03:07:38,920
So I reached out to King Nalbout, and he sorted it all out, so it's just phenomenal.

2427
03:07:39,280 --> 03:07:44,000
And he saved me a lot of driving and running around trying to figure that out.

2428
03:07:44,360 --> 03:07:50,300
Also, I want to thank the PD and the admins support and the service and attending the service

2429
03:07:50,300 --> 03:08:00,200
for Braxton Folk that was really, we had a really good turn out, and I was really happy to

2430
03:08:00,200 --> 03:08:07,360
see Jenny tonight, she got to me when she was talking and that other lady, if I could

2431
03:08:07,360 --> 03:08:13,820
get her a name, about lymphoma, you don't see a lot of that in children, but it is growing

2432
03:08:15,020 --> 03:08:20,280
and she's doing exactly what needs to be done relative to research and funding research

2433
03:08:20,280 --> 03:08:26,460
search. There's not enough research done for pediatric cancers. We have to do a lot more.

2434
03:08:27,560 --> 03:08:34,100
So, and with that, of course, it's a childhood cancer awareness month. And 40% of childhood

2435
03:08:34,100 --> 03:08:39,680
cancers are blood cancers. And it's also blood cancer awareness month this month. So, just

2436
03:08:39,680 --> 03:08:44,000
want to raise that awareness, everybody. And last but not least, for everybody,

2437
03:08:48,960 --> 03:08:50,260
it's also

2438
03:08:50,260 --> 03:08:54,400
that. Yes. So that's all I have for tonight and thank you very much.

2439
03:08:56,870 --> 03:08:57,570
Councilman, where?

2440
03:08:58,250 --> 03:09:02,990
The only thing I've got is just wanted to keep everybody a prize that

2441
03:09:03,830 --> 03:09:08,090
next Wednesday is the Planning Commission County Planning Commission

2442
03:09:08,090 --> 03:09:12,190
meeting on the digital gateway comprehensive plan amendments.

2443
03:09:12,690 --> 03:09:16,770
I will be there. Emily doesn't want to go.

2444
03:09:17,770 --> 03:09:22,070
So I'll be presenting the town's comments on that.

2445
03:09:22,450 --> 03:09:25,310
I would encourage anybody who has an interest in that to please attend.

2446
03:09:26,030 --> 03:09:30,770
Although if you're going to come bring up pillow because I suspect it's going to be a very long night.

2447
03:09:32,170 --> 03:09:33,510
Maybe two or three in the morning.

2448
03:09:37,790 --> 03:09:41,590
Okay, I guess that leaves me piggybacking off of Joe.

2449
03:09:42,990 --> 03:09:47,450
Yeah, VRE is celebrating this month with a few tickets.

2450
03:09:48,310 --> 03:09:53,750
So, it might be interesting if anybody wants to take advantage of that, I do plan on trying

2451
03:09:53,750 --> 03:09:59,750
to take my parents down to Union Station, having a meal there and then coming back.

2452
03:10:00,150 --> 03:10:03,330
Just on the berries, take it.

2453
03:10:03,710 --> 03:10:09,530
Also, I guess, reminder for you guys, we do have a few invitations out there that are coming

2454
03:10:09,530 --> 03:10:10,150
up.

2455
03:10:10,470 --> 03:10:15,310
That need to be RSVPed in the next couple of weeks, so if you guys are interested in attending,

2456
03:10:15,310 --> 03:10:23,470
feel free. He would like to thank Jenny for all she's done. She those ribbons, even though

2457
03:10:23,470 --> 03:10:29,170
they make a statement, they also beautify the town. And I love to see that participation

2458
03:10:29,170 --> 03:10:33,350
within town. And I'll leave it at that.

2459
03:10:33,690 --> 03:10:34,110
Mr. Mayor.

2460
03:10:35,710 --> 03:10:36,250
Move to adjourn.

2461
03:10:37,170 --> 03:10:38,830
Got a motion in second on favor.

2462
03:10:40,830 --> 03:10:43,410
I'm just waiting in the bar if you want to go.