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Okay, we'll call the meeting back to
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We're now up to page 33.
CEO, please introduce

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Thank you for the correction. 6.1 CEO.
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Uh this is just a a point of order in a
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a crime uh reduction public meeting in
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think it was in June. Uh but um
uh council had discussed that maybe it's

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just better to wait till the spring. We
I'm certainly addressing u some

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residents concerns about crime reduction
right now. And again, there will be

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another report in two weeks concerning
that. But for now, if we can officially

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approve that, we'll do this public
meeting in the spring of 2027.

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I will set the date
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» [snorts]
>> We'll go around on questions or

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comments. Councelor Hanlin

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Council
Martinson.

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» I would sooner see it done before

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» like in November sometime of this year.
>> We should we should be answering

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questions to the general public.

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Just a thought. Councelor Temple,
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No, I agree. It should be sooner. Um,
but uh just a comment on the recommended

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motion. The motion was made in June to
schedule a uh meeting for September and

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September is here now. So, we're not
going to be setting a crimerevention

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public meeting for spring of 2027. We're
going to be rescheduling the meeting to

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XY date. Right.
The crimerevention meeting was already

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set with the previous motion. We can't
set another one. We need to reschedule

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the existing one.
>> My only concern with the date is that

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we we [clears throat]

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haven't yet
gotten a completed report on the setting

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of the security cameras. I understand
that some of them were set quite

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recently. We haven't yet had a report on
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And it still seems to me that
the sentiment, if not the direction, and

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although I do think it was direction,
that we were going to articulate or or

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match the scheduling of the peace
enforcement officers with those of the

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RCMP.
So there would be no gaps

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because we had complaints and I've been
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for mayor that there's this sort of dead
zone between in the RCMP's

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coverage. And I was always under the
impression no matter what kind of

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scheduling we were doing that we have in
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If we haven't done that, I can tell you
right now that's going to be number one

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at the public meeting.
If we haven't yet set the security

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cameras and got information on their
efficacy, that's going to be number two

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at the at the meeting.
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let's I don't have a problem with having
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Meeting in spring is kind of vague
anyway. But then let's be ready for it

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because those are the two that are going
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Coverage
of the cameras and coverage of the

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combined law enforcement forces.
And from there on, of course, the uh the

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lady that was our first public delegate
gave us all kinds of good ideas, and I

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think they're worth kicking around. But
let's get those in place before we have

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the meeting. I don't care if they have
the meeting in October, November,

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whenever. But let's make sure we get
them in place. Otherwise, we're just

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answering questions that we still
haven't gotten around to actually

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answering. Councelor Mindeline.
>> Yeah. And just one other thing I just

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want to remind everybody starting now
we're getting close to that time where

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we're going to start tying into budget
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» Adding what?
>> The budget meetings are going to start

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coming up and they're going to be taking
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with the crime prevention to do in a
public meeting. We've also got a

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strategic planning session to to do yet.
And I'm just wondering do we want to do

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the crime prevention meeting before
strategic planning or because then if

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something there comes out of that the
public meeting then we should probably

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take that to strategic planning once we
hear from the community. Does that make

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sense?
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councelor Martinsson's view,

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the CEO
perspective from administration.

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[clears throat]
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hold a public meeting in October. Uh
really the I don't think the budget

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deliberations will start uh with council
until my guess is November. Um

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November, December.
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» we're in the process of implementing
budget software also. So um you know I

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see no reason why we can't do this crime
prevention next month in October. I'm

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assuming
that the capital budget will come first.

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» Capital budget
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» No, not that early. It'll come in
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» The first meeting in December.
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no, capital budget comes earlier and
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» And we have an interim operating budget
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calendar year.
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So that capital budget must be coming to
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I I was going to make these comments at
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them now.
By only meeting twice this summer, and

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it's well- earned rest, no doubt about
it. But we're falling behind on our

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issues and our our work
to-do list.

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We need to go back to some of the
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The capital budget will require at least
one committee of the whole and at least

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one council meeting. And that's the bare
minimum.

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The operating budget will take at least
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that's the one where you wind up quite
frankly cutting and pasting all over the

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place. Okay. I I'm simply telling
council that we've got to get back to

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work and we got to get back to work to
the best of our ability every Tuesday

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for a while. We have the pressure on us
from policing. It's a very genuine

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pressure. It's not we don't have a good
consensus on it. I'm not even sure we

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all sh Well, we don't all share the same
understandings of it. That's that's

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almost worth the committee of the whole
meeting right there. So, we've got to

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get back to work. Culture Mindai,
>> sorry with that one where the citizens

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uh policing meeting I'm just wondering
is it worthwhile having a meeting first

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with council our bylaw and the RCP in a
room together to find out from them so

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we don't get them throw them to the
wolves at the meeting public meeting

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» exactly that's we need a committee of
the whole meeting at least just for that

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one topic let alone the two budgets that
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» session
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Okay. So, uh there's a the Alberta
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» coming to
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» But we've got to start filling in our
Tuesdays and you have to be ready for

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it. Okay. Let's get back to the specific
topic. When do we hold a public meeting

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on the issue of crime? Deputy Mayor.
>> Um Mr. Joy Brady's working on a uh

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revision to a number of bylaws. Do you
know when he will have those ready?

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and at this point, no. I don't know

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exactly. I think he needs a month. Uh I
think that's what I heard from him last

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week. So midocctober. So, if we hit a
target date of November, that would

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probably because I I imagine in addition
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um I imagine one of the topics discussed
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community feedback on those bylaws
before we approve them. So, if we can

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time it around that.
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we have a brand new legislative clerk.

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What role does the legislative clerk
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the table?
Or is this just Brady's work?

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This is the bylaws is just Brady's work
on it. Uh I mean the legisl Danielle uh

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our legislative services clerk will
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That's a big job.

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» Committee the whole next week.
>> Huh?

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» Committee the whole next week.
>> I'm pushing for a community hall next

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week. Yes.
>> I was going to do that at the end of the

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meeting. I wasn't planning on having my
mini ramp right this early. [laughter]

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Okay, let's get a nail on this one.
Deputy mayor suggested November.

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Councelor Martinsson suggested earlier
than spring. Also before Christmas.

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Can we pick a date? Somebody got their
calendars out.

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Give me a November date. Come on. We
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» 25th.
>> November 25th. The wedding day. After

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our council meeting.

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» After our council meeting.
24th.

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» Yeah,
>> the 21st.

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» I'm going to have to learn how to read
my calendar again. I can tell.

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» Old school. [laughter]

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Did you suggest November 25?

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» November 25 going once. Any objections?
Going twice. It's in the motion.

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All those moved by who?
Moved by councelor Martinsson that the

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public meeting on crime prevention be
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November 25th starting at 6:00
at 7. Starting at 7. All those in favor

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carried

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now. Native friendship center.
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The uh
the Native Friendship Center is asking

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for $10,000 and they've uh submitted a
full grant application plus they've

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expanded and provided uh council with
answers to the questions they asked uh

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when she was in front of council. Uh we
have received a couple of opposing

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uh responses from residents
and uh that has been passed on to the

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board to the to the council.
the um

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and the Native Friendship Center saw the
submission to council from a resident

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and chose to respond quite strenuously
defending their position. So at that

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point it's really up to council how they
want to proceed with the grant donation

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and go from there.

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» [clears throat]

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» Let me clarify a little bit because it
apparently it's been brought up that

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some of the counselors are members of
the Native Friendship Center. I know

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that count counselor Hanland is a
member. I'm a member. I don't see how

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that in any way disqualifies me from
this discussion no more than I'm the

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member of any organization around. But
if there's other counselors that want to

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uh voice their membership or
non-membership of the friendship center,

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feel free.
We have the basic request from them for

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$10,000.

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We have a number of legitimate questions
were posed and in my opinion

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particularly the letter received from
the uh what a president Trish Long

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answered those questions.
Not all of the questions were that were

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asked were answered because the board is
brand new questions pertaining to the

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lack of governance prior to this board.
They have no way. There's no membership

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from that period. Uh you know, you you
you would have to go back to the two

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major combatants to uh to get any kind
of view of what the hell was going on.

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But that fact that it lacked governance
is there's no doubt about that. There's

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no doubt about that.
As to the questions that were raised

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again about the project, again a project
that was initiated and all the basic

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decisions around the capital project
were made by a previous board.

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I'm going to go around the table. I want
counselors to just

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if you need more information
ask the question now and we will try to

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provide it. I wanted to also tell you
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the friendship center on this very topic
for close to an hour.

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Okay.
And the information I received at that

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is in pretty much the same as presented
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But we'll go around and we may as well
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she knows she's on the hot seat.
Councelor Hamlet,

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» I don't feel I'm on the hot seat, but um
I would like to clarify um because I

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know my name was brought up and there
was some information passed to um the

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CEO and the rest of council that I was
the president. Um I was the president of

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the friendship center um quite a while
ago. Um I did resign in about April. So

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that was about 5 months ago I resigned.
I'm no longer the president. Um I'd also

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like to make it known that um on
numerous occasions when we have um

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requests for financial support from
organizations, I have pointed out

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numerous times that we have a policy for
funding requests. And um I I'm I've made

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that clear that um in other requests
where as long as all the paperwork is in

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um like you know that's not that's up to
administration to make sure that all

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that paperwork is in before we're with
the application and after um any money

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that's been approved. And I think we
need to update that policy because I

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would like to see a limit um an annual
limit that um an organization can apply

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for. Also a number of times an
organization can apply within a year.

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That that sort of hearkens back to a
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meetings ago. this idea that I actually
had I borrowed from the South Peace News

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that we create a class A, B, and C and
that we have on in the top class some

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things like the relay races and things
like that and then another class and

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another. The the only problem with that
idea is at least in my view this

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particular case is an emergency request
and by the very nature of emergencies

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they don't always fit nicely into the
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» Okay. Uh couple of quick questions. Uh
if I'm correct this is just the first

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time we've ever had request for funding
from the Native Friendship Center. We

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haven't funded them before in past. Is
that correct? Except for specific events

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such as correct the Christmas dinner or
elers dinner or something

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» closing the street or
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remainder of this year.
>> Are we going to be looking at again in

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2027? Are they going to be out of the
backbook?

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» You got a crystal ball.
>> Pardon me.

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» Do you have a crystal ball?
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expect to ask for this because we've got
lots of community organizations in the

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in the place. I'm thinking of the uh
region, uh the Elks, whatever. And if

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they have a problem with one year, do
they just come to the town and ask for

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money? And that's where I have a problem
with this is uh are we bailing out or

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are we grabbing a grant? And so, uh I
think I had most of my questions

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answered with that that regard. But that
is my biggest concern. Uh I don't think

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we're in the well, are we in the
business of bailing people out or giving

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grants to support them? Uh,

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councelor Martinson

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» my only concern is how much to give if
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is too much in my in my mind. So we can
come up with a

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a common number amongst us all and I'll
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Dr. Temple.

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» Same thinking as councelor Martinson.
I'm not not happy with 10,000, but I

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would look at another figure to help him
out, but I'm not comfortable with

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10,000.

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» Deputy Mayor,
10,000 is too much. Um,

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I've got a problem with the letter that
Ron wrote to the town, but I've got an

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even bigger problem with the letter that
the Native Friendship Center wrote as a

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response.
Um, both letters are absolutely loaded.

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But, um, I asked for financials when,
uh, Trish gave her presentation. Were

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those ever provided?

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No.
Yeah. To ask for $10,000 and then to

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provide no uh
reassurance that uh they're um not

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squandering or wasting the funds that
they already have. That's uh that's not

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okay. Um, we have a obligation to spend
taxpayer dollars wisely and efficiently

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and um, properly and to throw taxpayer
dollars at an organization that just got

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uh, removed from the provincial body
with no reassurance that uh, the new

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group is uh, running the organization
any better. I just I don't feel

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comfortable with it.

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While what they provided for us isn't a
financial statement, they

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[clears throat] in essence have provided
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distribution for that 10,000.
Uh the the request sites 8,000 per month

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for two staff members and 2,000
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that. So it is not a financial statement
as we should be expecting. I admit that

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we should get a financial statement.
um they obviously as a as a registered

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society have an audited statement
somewhere even if it's from last year

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and we should normally have them
and and this you know partly this is our

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fault too. We've been letting people
come to us one by one, one by one,

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instead of having what more and more of
us have been talking about an

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application date and then taking care of
everything rather than, as I've termed

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it, being nickeled and dimed every
second meeting. But having said that,

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yeah, we should have financial
statements, but we do in essence have a

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distribution statement.

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I think that the Native Friendship
Center provides an extraordinarily

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important service to the community.
As a member of the society, I get their

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monthly newsletter
and I can tell you that as a senior,

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although as a senior I don't take
advantage of the senior services there,

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I am glad they're there because they're
providing senior services that Alberta

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health services have discontinued
like foot care which is extremely

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important. In fact, it's critical for
seniors with diabetes for example. And

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so they are providing important
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They are on the cusp, which is a nice
thing way of saying they're right on the

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edge of the damn cliff.
And I don't know whether this 10,000 or

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whatever council decides on will in fact
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I have
broached this topic with the CEO in that

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there appear to be legal issues involved
that the friendship center does not have

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the resources
to unfold

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and it may very well be that our best
help to them is to provide some legal

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services because we happen to have one
of the most reputable law firms in

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Alberta working for us and there's
clearly a number of legal impediments

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that no one seems to be able to get the
cover off of despite and I happen to

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believe this genuine attempts to find
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So that may be a service inclined at
some point. Uh personally I support the

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request

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but
it is extraordinary and the only way I

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justify it in myself is that unlike a
request rate from the regals or the

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relay races or anything else this is a
community social service in an emergent

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condition.
Anyway, let's go around the table once

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more and then we'll vote on her. Any
final closing comments from councelor

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Hanland,

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councelor mind?
>> No.

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» Councelor Martinsson,
councelor Temple,

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» Deputy Mayor, you Google them. There's
no website to be found. They have a

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Facebook page, but it's not open to the
public. You have to request to join it

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and be accepted. It doesn't come across
as very inclusive.

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the um

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they claim in their letter they provided
everything to the town that was asked of

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them. They haven't. We requested
financial statements. They haven't

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provided them.

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I'm
open to your idea of providing legal

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services.
>> Pardon?

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» I'm open to your idea of providing legal
services.

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» I think it's going to come up in January
or February. Yeah, I really do. I think

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it's the only way to make sure they
survive.

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» I'm I I've danced around the topic in
previous council meetings, but I'm going

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to come out and say it. They're located
in a horrible spot. They attract the

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vagrants and the homeless to the
downtown core, and you can't have a goal

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of supporting the Friendship Center and
a goal of supporting local business at

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the same time. The those two items are
counterproductive to to one another. Um

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the Friendship C Center's location um
hurts our ability to support businesses

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in the downtown core because of the
people that the Friendship Center

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attracts. And I don't know what the
solution is there. And I'm not using

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that point as an argument against the
$10,000, but I want to keep in mind our

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entire strategic plan. But it's uh
I I discuss legal legal aid. That's uh

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that's that one piques my interest.
The recommendation from administration.

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Was there another comment?
Recommendation from administration

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leaves a blank.
Whoever is making that motion fill in

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that blank

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line.

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» Be careful you're not playing a shell
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comments on that, Deputy Mayor.
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councelor Manderline made the comment
that legal aid still costs money. The

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reason I'm okay with spending money on
legal aid and not okay with writing them

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a check is because I know the legal aid
can't be squandered. Um, and that's the

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critical difference here. Um, I was
going to throw out $2,000. Um, $2,000 in

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legal aid is probably equivalent to uh,
you know, a $3,000 cash check, right?

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It's got to be worth a little bit extra.
>> I know.

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» No, $2,000 in legal aid. We'll offer it
to them and see what they come back

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with.
>> That's That's how we'll help. Or or they

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can come back with financial statements.

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» Here, you asked for one. There it is.
>> Okay, let's let's cur this up. And again

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uh Shondaanda has has provided us with
the information that in fact the

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friendship center did provide. Uh
councelor Hanland

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um just listening to everybody's
discussion um I would be quite

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comfortable um we have made donations
with less documentation to um

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the CRC. They provided all their
documentation. I believe um the golf

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course we gave we gave both of them
5,000. I think that was the other one.

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So I would be quite comfortable with the
5,000.

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» I can certainly support 5,000.

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We'll just give the mathematicians a
couple minutes to add things up.

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Okay, let's draw a line under this. I'll
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and then we'll have something to

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I move that council approves a grant of
$5,000 to cover operating expenses for

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the High Prairie Native Friendship
Center. And my choice of the 5,000 is

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that considering their monthly budget,
two staff members

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and utilities, I think anything less
than five starts to smack a little bit

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of tokenism. The five is viable
because right now they're open five days

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a week. I've already had discussions
with some of them to start considering

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that they start looking at the next
couple months as bridge over time and

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that they start thinking of going to
three days a week. If we give them

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$5,000,
that's enough for them with a little

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squeeze here and there
to bridge if they go from five days down

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to 3 days.
So that's my motion. Culture Meneline,

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» I could see the 5,000, but again, that
would be it for 2026. I don't expect to

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see another call from them to say to
support the elders Christmas dinner or

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anything else for the remainder of this
year. That would be the 5,000 and that's

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it for 2026. Correct.
>> I think that they would uh understand

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that

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» must be serious. Councelor Martinson is
taking his glasses off.

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I don't know. You know, the sound system
tonight literally fried

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my hearing aids.
They zinged and zapped all over the

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place. Can I charge that to the towel?

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I think we need to draw a line under
this gentleman

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should have been included in the
meeting. Yes.

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Is counselor Temple prepared to explain
why he's got a red emergency signal

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light?
Is this a way to attract

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» I would like to explain that that was
there when I got here. Oh, it's easy.

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» I might use it. [laughter]

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» Yes, it's
>> Go ahead. Push it, Bryce. Go ahead.

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stopping short of a note of personal
criticism.

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We really should have had this financial
statement information in our meeting

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package,
but I understand that this has been a uh

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progressing topic.

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Getting

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crazy my legs just sitting here.

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Does anybody know whether these are the
product danda? Are do we have any way of

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knowing if these are audited statements?

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How's the South Pac News doing?
You're not used to working Tuesday

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nights, are you?

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And you thought our meetings were more
exciting than you than this.

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Gentlemen, we really need to draw a line
under this one. We've got a motion for

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5,000
with with to be accompanied with advice

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to go from 5 days to 3 days. And that
this 5,000 plus the 10,000 from the

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county will then is equivalent to three
months coverage.

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» They got 16.
>> They have to be prepared to stretch

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to create a bridge.

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Okay. I'm going to ask now councilors
Menline and Hamlin have already had

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their say. Councelor Martinson, your
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on 5,000.

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I still think it's too much.
>> Mr. Temple,

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» I think it's a little much, but I'm
right now I'm I'd be happy with that

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number.
>> Deputy Mayor,

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» I agree with Councelor Martinson. It's
still too much.

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» Sorry, I didn't hear.
>> It's still too much.

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Okay. The motion is

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that council approves a grant of $5,000
to cover operating expenses for the High

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Prairie Native Friendship Center
with the provisal

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that they adjust their opening hours.

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All those in favor of 5,000

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opposed
defeated. Next item.

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Okay. Oh, this another dozy.
Page 41.

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Establishing an economic development
officer. Uh this was uh put in front of

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council a month ago and um
even though it was the motion was

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defeated at the time. This is a major
recommendation from the Deote report. Um

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and in order to start working on the
other recommendations, we need to

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establish this position
um so that they can work on the key

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performance indicators and the action
items.

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I think we need to separate something
out then. Are we talking about the

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establishment of the position or are we
talking about the

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payment the contract of employment for
that position?

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We are talking about establishing the
position itself and there were questions

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raised at the last council meeting which
have been answered here specifically

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about the salary range
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and the job description.

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Okay. The the motion is recommended
approves establishing the economic

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development officer position.
It does not

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approve
employment conditions.

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That's not what that option says.
In the body in the discussion uh section

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did also mention the probation
probationary period uh and 3 months to 6

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months. So it it has
>> my my my problem with it is that could

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very well have counelors in fact
everybody unanimous on the establishment

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of the position and continued division
on payment for the position

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as there was last time. I don't think
there was any actual disagreement last

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time on having an economic development
officer. It was rather on the payment of

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the economic development officer. I
don't have a problem with this motion as

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it stands,
>> but then we need a second one to pay the

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person.
>> Then the salary range has been

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identified in here.
>> Council,

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if we could just expand the motion to
include the necessary information. What

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that would be and look like is the
council approves the establishment of

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the economic development officer to be
included in the 2027 operating budget

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with a salary estimate of 184 to
$109,000 including benefits training and

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professional development approximately
$3,000 and operating

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» uh they call that in the proposed
budget.

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» Sure.
>> Excellent.

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» We have the numbers there. That's the
who what

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» that's the specificity we need.
>> Yes. We'll leave it then on the books as

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councelor Meline made that motion as
worded.

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» Yeah, it's in the
>> councelor Martinson.

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» I did some number crunching.
I did some number crunching and worst

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case scenario for this year if if the
economic development officer was hired

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by October 1st, say some miracle that he
was, but he's not going to be. Uh it

433
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:59,200
would cost the town $17,400
to pay his salary, benefits, everything.

434
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:03,280
So that's what we all we got to look
forward to this year and then budget

435
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:07,920
accordingly
in next year's budget.

436
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:13,760
» Council and if I just add one thing to
my motion and that those costs are to be

437
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:16,319
shared with the county uh 50/50.
>> That's exactly the wording I heard

438
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,000
before.
>> Exactly.

439
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:21,000
» Excellent. I just want to make sure

440
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,520
» councor Temple

441
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:33,680
» councelor Hanland
so for this position I know it was

442
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:38,000
brought up at our last meeting um I
would because of the nature of the

443
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:41,000
position I would like to see a six-month
probation

444
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,599
council what was the probationary period
in your motion

445
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:54,240
Sorry, I maybe didn't have a speaker on.
I'm sure it said six months.

446
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:57,920
» I heard that, too. Excellent. Deputy
mayor,

447
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:02,960
here's the numbers, guy.
>> I got I got a fun one to to talk about

448
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:08,319
because I'm still not in favor of the
50/50 split. And in the grand scheme,

449
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:14,240
you know, it's $120,000 budget. We're
talking about 10 grand. It's not a big

450
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:17,200
deal if we are at 50/50 versus 6040. But
I'm going to make the argument for a

451
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:19,280
60/40 anyway. And I'm going to split
hairs a little bit and I'm going to

452
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,200
waste everybody's time a little bit
because I think it's worth talking

453
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:26,079
about. And um
you know, the county doesn't vote on

454
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,760
this till tomorrow morning. So we could
make the motion to approve it with a

455
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:36,480
60/40 split and put the ball in their
court just for just for fun, right? Um

456
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:41,440
because the last time this came up, the
uh mayor gave us the impression that uh

457
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:46,560
the economic development officer would
only be working in the immediate um high

458
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:51,280
prairie area with uh local Grand
Prairie. Yeah. And at the um at the uh

459
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,040
economic development meeting that I
attended, it was made very clear that

460
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:59,440
the economic development officer would
be uh responsible for the entire county.

461
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:03,520
The entire county has almost twice the
population that uh that H High Prairie

462
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,560
does. And uh the county tried to make
the argument that uh H High Prairie has

463
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,920
more businesses and more small
businesses and the economic development

464
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:14,720
officer will spend more time with our
businesses than their businesses. But

465
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:20,240
that's a that's a null argument in my
mind because um everybody in the county

466
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:25,200
benefits from High Prairie Businesses.
If a economic development officer brings

467
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,640
a uh new store to High Prairie,
everybody in the county benefits from

468
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:34,560
that and the county should be paying
their fair share for that service. It's

469
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:40,000
uh it's uh we see it in the wreck
budget. We see it um with our roads. Um

470
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:45,440
we see it in so many different areas
where um the county undercuts us on our

471
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:49,599
tax rate. So, a family moves to the
county for cheaper taxes, but they still

472
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:53,599
benefit from all of the services that
High Prairie offers. And it's High

473
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:58,240
Prairie residents that are stuck footing
the bill, and it's not fair to High

474
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:01,119
Prairie residents. Um, I'll let you
interrupt me. I got to regain my train

475
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:04,400
of thought here.
>> Okay. And and you said you were at the

476
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:08,319
meeting. We So, not all of us were privy
to that meeting, but so when they say

477
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:11,520
the whole the county that would include
Juicard, Fost, and all those other

478
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,839
places do have businesses. And what
about Swan Hills?

479
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,119
» All the way out to Canus. So all the way
up to Swan Hills, they made

480
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,119
» Swan Hills isn't part of the county,
>> but they made clear it would be uh the

481
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:26,160
economic development officer would be
responsible for the energy corridor that

482
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:29,839
would uh that's being introduced in the
Swan Hills area. We say Swan Hills. Swan

483
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,599
Hilltown isn't part of the county, but
everything around Swan Hills, all all

484
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,960
those oil and gas businesses, the energy
corridor, the economic development

485
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:43,599
officer, the county expects them to be
out there working

486
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:48,720
um at a 60/40 cost split on a per capita
basis. Um

487
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:53,119
each Big Lakes resident would contribute
$11.75

488
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:58,000
per year and each High Prairie resident
would contribute $15.34

489
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:02,000
a year. So, even at a 60/40 split on a
per capita basis with a $100,000 budget,

490
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:06,960
High Prairie residents are still
pitching in four bucks a piece more. Um,

491
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:10,319
it's just I don't I don't see it as a
fair split.

492
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:14,400
» Worship.
>> Uh, on the Sir, go ahead.

493
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,920
» Uh, I would accept the friendly
amendment to change that from 50/50 to

494
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:22,720
6040.
>> Well, let me make the argument first

495
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:27,599
then because I'm I'm not in favor of it.
The reason I'm in favor of 50/50 is that

496
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:33,599
I think in this case we don't look at
the per capita as much as we look at the

497
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:40,880
basic business split. And I think you'll
find that the business-wise roughly the

498
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:45,359
same numbers in volume of business uh
done in town or out of town in the

499
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:50,240
county. There's also some disparity
here. And

500
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:55,119
David, you were at the meeting.
You mentioned that he would promote the

501
00:45:52,400 --> 00:46:00,000
energy corridor. I clearly heard them
say that there was no promotion here of

502
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,920
oil and gas and things.
>> No.

503
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:08,400
» What was it? Councelor Roberta, I'm sure
she said that it would be they'd be in

504
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:13,280
charge of traveling out and working in
the energy corridor for promotion.

505
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:19,520
» I recall her saying Swan Hills has no
businesses out there for them to

506
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:26,079
promote. That's what I remember.
But on the topic of the oil and gas

507
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:30,560
industry, I thought councelor Mifflin
who chaired the meeting said this

508
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:34,319
economic development officer would not
deal with petroleum and gas.

509
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:36,319
» That's that's exactly right. That's what
I recall.

510
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:41,200
» That's what I recall. Yeah,
>> that's not what I recall.

511
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:47,880
» Oh, okay. I still support a 50/50 and
the motion is 50/50. Let's get going on

512
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,880
it.

513
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:58,160
Uh, we've got some
The longer we kick this can, the less is

514
00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:01,839
going to get done. Councelor Hannah,
>> I was just going to say, um, this person

515
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:07,599
will also be working out of a high
prairie office. So, that boosts our

516
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:13,440
50/50 a little bit higher because we're
providing office space as well.

517
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:19,040
Well, and one of the things that that we
got caught on last time was who does the

518
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:23,359
economic development officer report to
and that there were going to be two

519
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:28,640
people. It was clarified at the meeting
that the economic development officer

520
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:34,000
reports to the town CEO, not to the
county CEO, and takes direction there.

521
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:39,119
Councelor Temple,
I just have one question. Who determines

522
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:42,319
whether they're doing a good job or not?
And what do we determine? What

523
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:45,040
determines whether they've done a good
job?

524
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:50,720
» There's a job description. We've got
action items, detailed action items in

525
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:56,880
that deote report. The key performance
indicators are there. The scope of the

526
00:47:52,960 --> 00:48:03,200
job is very specific. They report to me.
The performance appraisal is done by me.

527
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:07,920
I will consult with David with the CEO
of county

528
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:15,040
and uh and even with the committee uh
before an appraisal is issued. So the

529
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:21,280
the authority is with me.
>> I I need to augment that as an employee

530
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:26,400
of the town of High Prairie. It's
ultimately the town CEO and the town's

531
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:31,839
council
that determines those kinds of issues.

532
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:40,240
Obviously, we consult closely with the
county as our partner, but legally

533
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:44,200
the buck stops at this table.
Any questions or comments?

534
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:50,440
And my wife asked me it was going to be
a long or short meeting.

535
00:48:54,079 --> 00:49:03,359
All those in favor of the motion as
worded by councelor

536
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:05,200
Minderline. All those in favor
>> that include or not include the

537
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:13,000
friendly.
>> It's the 50/50.

538
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:13,000
» All those in favor of the motion say I.

539
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,520
All those opposed.

540
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:30,359
We have just killed the economic
development report because now we can't

541
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:30,359
bring this back for 6 months.

542
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:38,200
» Oh, sorry. For a year. I don't know what
you're going to do with it now.

543
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:51,839
» That is passed.
Okay,

544
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:57,480
moving on to page 46,
National Depression Day,

545
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,480
TAO.

546
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:05,920
Well, they're just requesting that we
recognize uh that October 8th will be a

547
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:12,119
National Depression Screening Day and
they'll get information out

548
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,119
to that effect.

549
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,559
Councelor Martins,
>> I make that motion.

550
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:28,520
» The only question I have is I get emails
about this all the time. I mean, is

551
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:28,520
there a purpose to this?

552
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:38,319
Councelor Martinson made the motion. All
those in favor of National Depression

553
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:41,319
Day.
Carrie.

554
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:52,559
Ah, this is why Ron's been so patient.
Yes. Oh, no. The library board. Sorry.

555
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:56,480
The library board. We're now on to page
48.

556
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,680
» Okay. We need to
>> councer.

557
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,960
» Sorry.
>> Mindline. Since you're on this board,

558
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:08,319
could you might talk to this one?
Sure. Basically, with the two positions,

559
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:11,839
one position they one position is timed
out. It's a three-year appointment. The

560
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:16,319
other position the person has left the
community and taken a position down in

561
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:22,720
Edmonton, so she's no longer with us.
So, we uh administration did put out

562
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:26,319
requests for applications for the
position. I believe they have four

563
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:31,599
positions that we got or four names we
put in there. And uh

564
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:36,319
yeah, if you wish I could make my
recommendations, but

565
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:40,440
uh as a member of the board or they just
want to leave this with the council,

566
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:47,520
» does anybody have any prior knowledge of
the candidates and preferences?

567
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:52,880
Councelor Martinson.
>> Um I got no problem with all four. Like

568
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:54,240
all four people would be great on the
board.

569
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,359
» We only need two of them.
>> I know. So my suggestion is put their

570
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:03,440
names on a piece of paper and pull two.
So

571
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:07,119
» councelor Hanland, do you have any
preferences?

572
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:11,920
» No, I read all their information and I
believe all four of them would be good.

573
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:16,079
Um I know one of them should be a county
resident and we only have one. So that

574
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:21,480
one should be pretty straightforward and
I think for the other three we do a

575
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,480
vote.

576
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:31,680
Council Mendeline make a in the case of
the one she's actually already on the

577
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,760
board. She's just reply reapplying to
come on. It's not she wants to quit.

578
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,680
» Well, who is that?
>> Carrie Cox. Thank you for consideration.

579
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:40,319
I would be pleased to continue serving
the High Prairie Municipal Library and

580
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,040
helped shape in this future. And she
does.

581
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:47,599
» Okay. So, we got a name to
>> Yeah. Then with the other two, uh, I

582
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,240
think there's only one that has actually
sat on the board before, but he would

583
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:55,599
have been sitting there as a member of
council, and that is James Wel.

584
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:58,480
So that based on that, that would be my
two recommendations.

585
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:03,359
» Which two? Sorry.
>> Uh, James Wl and Carrie Cox.

586
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:10,000
» Okay. The motion by councelor
Minderline, the appointment of

587
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:16,079
James Wel and Carrie Cox to the library
board. Any further discussions?

588
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:21,760
Well, Deputy Mayor,
>> um, Nandin's application was, uh, longer

589
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:26,640
and more thoughtful and just in the
interest of putting some fresh blood and

590
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:31,559
a fresh perspective on the board. Um,
but I'm fine with, uh, with Wakeland and

591
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:42,000
» Any other comments on the two names?
All those in favor?

592
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:48,319
Opposed?
Carrie,

593
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:55,440
now we're finally getting Oh, receivable
collection policy page. Am I right here?

594
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:58,440
Yeah, page 56.
Honda.

595
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:40,160
So I've put in front of you uh accounts
receivable and collection policy. The

596
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:44,400
existing policy was adopted in 2009 and
deals mainly with writing off

597
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:48,240
uncollectible accounts. It does not
establish a complete process for

598
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:52,800
collecting overdue accounts, offering
payment arrangements, issuing final

599
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:57,119
notices, and referring accounts to a
collection agency.

600
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:02,319
Uh the proposed policy creates a
consistent collection process. Generally

601
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:09,119
a reminder may be issued at 30 days
overdue, a second notice at 60 days, and

602
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:13,599
a final notice at approximately 90 days.
Uh the policy provides flexibility to

603
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:17,359
work with individ individuals who
acknowledge the debt and are willing to

604
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:21,920
follow a reasonable written payment
arrangement. Accounts under approved

605
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:27,200
arrangement would generally not be
referred to collections as long as the

606
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:32,319
agreed payments are being made.
Uh this policy primarily applies to

607
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:36,960
general accounts receivable. Property
taxes and utility accounts will continue

608
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:43,200
to be managed under the MGA and the
town's applicable bylaws and procedures.

609
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:46,720
uh an outstanding utility balance would
only be considered under this policy

610
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:53,040
when it cannot otherwise be recovered
and referral is legally permitted. Um

611
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:59,040
the policy also establishes delegated
writeoff authority. Uh up to 500 for the

612
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:05,520
director of corporate services more than
500 and up to 2500 may be approved by

613
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:09,839
the CAO and anything over 2500 requires
council approval.

614
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:14,720
Uh council w council would receive an
annual summary of accounts written off

615
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:19,200
under the delegated authority.
Uh and it's important to clarify that an

616
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:23,200
accounting write off does not forgive or
cancel the debt. The town may still

617
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:29,920
pursue or accept payment in the future
where legally permitted.

618
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:35,359
So, I have put in front of you a
policy that

619
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:43,240
uh includes a write off
and I'm asking that the old policy be

620
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:43,240
rescended and this new one

621
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,440
be occurred.

622
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:53,839
So, just help us with the process here.
We first need a motion to what? Withdraw

623
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:59,119
the old one.
>> We can do one motion. Huh?

624
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:02,480
» Make a motion to adopt the policy, the
new policy.

625
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:06,000
» And then what? And so that automatically
repl Are you make

626
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:09,040
» Are you making that motion?
>> I can make that motion.

627
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:14,000
» Make that motion.
>> That council adopt accounts receivable

628
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:21,359
and collection policy as presented
effective immediately that policy 45-

629
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:26,559
2009 accounts receivable. Right up
policy be rescended. There there's the

630
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:28,799
part I'm looking for.
Council line.

631
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:34,720
» No, that's what I was looking for. The
rescended portion to be as part of the

632
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:40,040
motions. That's fine.
People writing these policies, my name

633
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:40,040
is Daniel.

634
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,520
All those in favor of the motion is made
by councelor Martinson.

635
00:57:50,960 --> 00:58:03,280
» Oh, you had question.
Thank you. Um, one one note that I did

636
00:57:57,359 --> 00:58:07,680
make is in on page 64, um, number 17,
second paragraph says the town may

637
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:14,880
require outstanding amounts to be paid
or require advanced payment. Um, I

638
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:22,319
believe it should it should say that any
outstanding debts should be p will be

639
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:28,359
paid and perhaps a deposit
would be

640
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,359
suitable in this situation.

641
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:47,520
Deputy Mayor,
>> I've just got a few formatting issues to

642
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:54,079
point out. Um, section N, you have a
list of bullet points and then you go

643
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:58,000
and, referral is considered reasonable
and cost effective. Everything below

644
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:04,160
that should be a separate list of bullet
points. we have an and there and then

645
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:08,480
you go into a separate uh
separate topic below that. It needs to

646
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:12,960
be split up.
And section 10, the very last bullet

647
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:16,799
point there is not an item that a
collection agency shall not do. So it

648
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:22,240
should not be included as a bullet point
on the list of items that the collection

649
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:28,536
agency shall not do. Um it needs to be
separate again from that list.

650
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:28,536
And [sighs]

651
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:37,440
I just and I I support this. I have no
issues with it. But I'm going to ask the

652
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:41,359
question um
what's the point of having this policy

653
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:45,280
if the way I read and interpret the
policy is it's a general guideline, but

654
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:49,520
you have several sections in here,
section 19 specifically, that

655
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:54,960
specifically says, "Hey, it's a general
guideline, but we don't have to follow

656
00:59:50,880 --> 01:00:00,480
it if we don't want to." Um,
I just I don't agree with that general

657
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:06,799
principle, but uh
um if you guys aren't going to follow

658
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:13,359
the guideline, if you're going to um
decide exceptional circumstances or

659
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:16,400
whatever else, um I would prefer that
those exceptional circumstances be

660
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:20,880
defined in the policy.
>> What? Let's go back to the specific

661
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:25,599
bullet that you feel gives them a back
door out. Section 19.

662
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:27,119
» All of nine.
>> 19.

663
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,440
» Oh, sorry.
>> Section 19.

664
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:38,000
» The chief the CEO may authorize an
exception to the administrative

665
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:41,040
procedures established under this policy
where warranted by exceptional

666
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:47,839
circumstances, but exceptional
circumstances aren't defined. So, it's

667
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:51,440
at the CEO's discretion.
>> I think it's important to have some

668
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:56,799
discretion. I don't know what the
exceptional circumstances may be in the

669
01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:01,200
future, but uh it just allows us a
little flexibility. Uh and if it's a

670
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:06,400
large amount of money, of course, we
would bring that in front of council. I

671
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:10,319
I would like to see a sentence added to
this, Shondaanda, uh where it says the

672
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:16,000
chief administrative officer may
authorize an exception, etc., etc., and

673
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:20,040
sell shall report such
to the council.

674
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,280
I like that.

675
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:34,520
Any further questions or comments?
I can't even remember who made the

676
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,520
motion.

677
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:44,920
The motion as amended with that
sentence. All those in favor carried.

678
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:56,359
Oh, now we finally get to the museum
policies

679
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:56,359
and we're finally on to page 68.

680
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:05,880
The the briefer you make this, the
happier we'll be.

681
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:11,920
» Five minutes. I'll try to beat that time
this time.

682
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:16,240
» Go ahead.
>> Yeah. Okay. Um, so I just before we get

683
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:21,280
started into this, I just want to
provide just a very quick update on the

684
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:25,920
museum in terms of August. We had 387
visitors, bringing our total visitation

685
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:33,520
between June 15th and the end of August
to 1,022 visitors. Um, our information

686
01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:38,799
on our um, Facebook page has gotten
82,881

687
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:44,400
views and 7,476
engagement, which for a small museum at

688
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:49,200
this stage of our growth is pretty
astounding. We have a full slate of

689
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:53,520
programs on Saturdays and Thursdays
throughout September, October, and

690
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:57,359
November. We have three facility
rentals. We have an education committee

691
01:02:55,119 --> 01:03:02,400
that's being developed. And the survival
kit program has been successfully

692
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:08,599
transferred over from Misti at uh the
realy company to the museum and we're

693
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,599
looking at ways to expand that

694
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:15,039
for this set of policies. I want to
appreciate uh how much reading that you

695
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:19,440
guys have had to do. We're almost
halfway through after this evening. I

696
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:24,079
appreciate this. It's a lot of reading,
I know, but these are standard policies

697
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:29,119
that museums follow. I'm not trying to
boost your your reading levels at the

698
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:33,680
council meetings. So, I'm I appreciate
everybody's patience on this.

699
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:40,079
So, just very quickly, what's in our
archives? We have over 750 photographs,

700
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:44,160
223 maps, and 74 linear feet of archival
records, which for a small museum is

701
01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:49,119
quite significant.
There are a number of components in the

702
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:53,680
collections policy for the archives that
I'm just going to very quickly kind of

703
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:57,680
go over. the collection mandate. Um
you'll see there the acquisition

704
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:02,640
appraisal and appraisal. How do we take
items into the collection, the

705
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:07,920
provenence and documentation? What is
the you know the backstory of what we're

706
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:12,720
collecting? The preservation and digital
stewardship. So how are we looking at

707
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:17,920
preserving this both the paper version
and also the digital version. The access

708
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:22,880
and privacy and copyright. So when
people donate their materials, let's say

709
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:28,000
diaries or letters, how are we actually
maintaining access and control over the

710
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:34,160
personal information, sometimes people
don't want all of that out in the public

711
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:39,839
realm and uh uh and so we have policies
in this set of policies around that.

712
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:44,160
Equally as important or sometimes more
important is around indigenous record,

713
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:47,280
knowledge and cultural protocols. how
culturally sensitive records and

714
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:53,200
community knowledge are respectfully
managed and accessed and also municipal

715
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:57,359
records. This policy clarifies that the
museum is not the town's official

716
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:02,240
municipal archives for its record
management program unless at a council

717
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,480
formally establishes that link at a
later date.

718
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:13,680
The next policy is our research policy.
It outlines our research priorities,

719
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:19,359
standards and documentation,
internal research. So, how are we as

720
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:25,200
museum staff uh managing um research
projects? How external researchers are

721
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:28,400
accessing this? How indigenous cultural
heritage

722
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:32,480
research must respect community
authority, cultural protocols, and

723
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:37,839
appropriate relationships. how oral
histories are maintained, accessed and

724
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:41,359
distributed as well as use and
responsibilities.

725
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,880
So research used publicly must be
accurate, appropriately acknowledged and

726
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:48,359
compliant with privacy, copyright and
access requirements.

727
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:55,920
The last policy is around access. So
it's around things around uh collections

728
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:59,839
are made accessible through exhibition,
program tours, education and approved

729
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:04,319
activities.
uh we talk in the policy about

730
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:09,680
references and research services. So how
are we making this material accessible

731
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:14,000
supervised access meaning that people
come into the museum like you came in

732
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:19,200
the other day uh mayor looking for a
book um people that were coming in to

733
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:23,920
access our archives would be have access
opportunity to access that through

734
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:28,559
supervised access indigenous rights
holders access. So when somebody from

735
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:33,200
one of the nation comes in a request
involving indigenous belonging knowledge

736
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:37,760
and cultural materials receive priority
and follow community authority and

737
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:42,880
protocols. This is probably the one area
that we're having a lot of learning

738
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:49,440
around and uh and that's going to take
um some time of salt in it. Okay.

739
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:53,839
» In terms of access restrictions, what
what are we not going to provide access

740
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:59,119
to? How are we going to make uh
photography and reproduction permission

741
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:03,839
um available? So, how are somebody comes
in want to uh somebody the other day on

742
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:08,799
Facebook wanted a photograph that we had
in our archives. What's the process and

743
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:13,680
policy around that and what fees do we
charge for that? And there's also the

744
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:17,039
like I said the digital access and fees.
So, digital access and specialized

745
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:22,640
services may be provided subject to
available resources conditions and the

746
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:26,480
town's fee schedule.
Really, these sets of policies along

747
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:32,000
with the policies you approved at the
last meeting really are at the heart of

748
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:35,119
what the work that we do at the museum.
Research gives our exhibitions,

749
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:39,680
programs, and public information
credibility, qualities that matter in an

750
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:44,240
age of information overload and
misinformation.

751
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:48,799
80% of Canadians identified museums as
highly credible sources of information,

752
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:54,559
ranking them above daily newspapers,
television, and dare say even government

753
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:59,839
institutions.
>> So how do these work together?

754
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:03,520
The policies under the collection policy
which you passed at the last meeting

755
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:08,880
governs how objects and artworks are
acquired, cared for, loaned and when

756
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:13,520
necessarily de accessioned. The archive
policy to do govern documentary heritage

757
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:18,640
including archival principles for
acquisition, arrangement, description,

758
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:24,640
preservation and access. Research and
collections access is how do them people

759
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:30,719
access those collections and together
the policies govern collections

760
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:35,359
themselves and the last policies in in
section MUS04 governance of the

761
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:40,239
knowledge is create that's created from
them is shared with the public.

762
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:44,719
At the High Prairie District Museum,
often artifacts and archival records

763
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:49,440
arrive together as part of the same
donation. This connection allows us to

764
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:54,159
develop a richer understanding of both
the objects and the people who made and

765
01:08:51,839 --> 01:09:00,640
are used them. An advantage that's not
always available to larger institutions.

766
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:05,359
And that is my presentation.
>> Thank you. Now, are there any general

767
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:08,319
questions or comments about this
council?

768
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:12,080
» Yeah. And this will be very quick. I'm
not going to insult you. I understand

769
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:16,080
your knowledge and the experience in the
field in that and having written

770
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:20,960
policies and bylaws myself and passed is
my history. Uh I just asked the question

771
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:26,319
basically. So you've got a source of
where you can get these policies to from

772
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:30,159
as a source or to beg, borrow, steal
from somebody else because plagiarism is

773
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:33,839
allowed. And so if that's all been done,
I just need to know that. So I don't

774
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:36,560
expect to go the line by line or
whatever. If I could just take your word

775
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:40,000
that you've done the proper due
diligence, taken it from knowledgeable

776
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:43,440
sources or reputable sources
>> and we've had some reviewed as well. The

777
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:46,640
Alberta Museums Association has been
very good about reviewing our policies

778
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:48,640
to make sure they're adherent to
Alberta.

779
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:49,839
» So they go as well.
>> Yeah.

780
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,159
» Oh, okay. Great.
>> So they've been they they've already

781
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:53,440
been through it. We
>> Oh, they have gone through.

782
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,040
» Yeah.
>> Okay. That's that's good for me then.

783
01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:01,120
Thank you.
>> Dr. Hannah,

784
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:04,480
Dr. Martinson,
Councelor Temple,

785
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:09,280
» Deputy Mayor. No, thank you.
>> Okay. I don't like approving policies.

786
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:15,040
It's sort of omnibus. So, we'll go
through three motions to approve the

787
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:19,920
three policies. Entertain a motion to
approve the archives collection

788
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:25,920
management policy starting on page 71.
Councelor Hanlin.

789
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:33,040
All those in favor? Carrie. Motion to
approve the research policy starting on

790
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:37,840
page 90. Councelor Martinsson.
All those in favor? Carried. And

791
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:43,760
finally, [clears throat]
the policy on access starting on page

792
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:45,840
104. All those in favor.
>> Carried.

793
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:48,080
» Who made the motion?
>> What?

794
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:50,480
» Who made that motion?
>> Right there.

795
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:54,328
» Okay.
>> I'm sure I saw him do it. [laughter]

796
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:03,000
» Now we're on to page 122. Skate park.

797
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:12,199
Holy

798
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:28,640
» 122. Wasn't that the initiative of a
counselor?

799
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:31,840
» Yeah.
>> Go ahead, councelor.

800
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:36,320
» Okay. So, um, for the safety of our
children and to accommodate visitors to

801
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:41,760
the town park, I'm proposing that we add
additional parking to the west side of

802
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:47,520
Highway 749 and the south side of high,
I'm sorry, of 55th Avenue by the skate

803
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:56,000
park. Currently, we have two spots on
the east side of Highway 749 and two on

804
01:11:51,280 --> 01:12:01,920
the north side of 55th Avenue, but I'm
not sure if one just one of those spots

805
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:09,280
or both of them are um restricted permit
holder parking. That wasn't clear when I

806
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:14,800
drove by there to look. So, um
because they're we're anticipating that

807
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:19,360
they're going to be redoing Highway 749
next year, um this would be the perfect

808
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:25,360
opportunity to address it with the
province to see if they could put the

809
01:12:21,679 --> 01:12:33,520
parking on
on the west side of 749 if we can only

810
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:38,239
have it on one side of the street. Um
if because if we're unable to add

811
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:45,199
parking to both sides of the street, it
would be more feasible and logical to

812
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:49,239
have it on the side of the streets and
the highway by the park.

813
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:56,960
» I take it we're talking about the Q Park
here and I walked by it and I looked at

814
01:12:54,400 --> 01:13:01,440
the yellow curbs and you're right. I
don't know why parking. I don't know

815
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:05,360
what the rationale was. I can see why
there's a rationale in front of the fire

816
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:09,840
station. Not sure what the rationale
was, but I'm not aware of this. The

817
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:14,320
problem is redoing this one. Councelor
Martinsson,

818
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:19,440
it is a truck route. Big trucks coming
from the north can go straight through

819
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:24,080
to Railway Avenue if they happen to miss
the turnoff

820
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:29,199
out by uh
Stampede rounds. Anyways, if you park

821
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:31,679
two vehicles along there, you're gonna
have a hard time getting

822
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:36,320
» one truck
>> one truck by, let alone two. So, that's

823
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:41,920
one of the reasons that the line was
painted on the one side. And we got

824
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:46,320
ample parking right out here by the fire
hall around the corner

825
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:53,760
along the backside for anybody. And
there's gates at both ends right here.

826
01:13:49,280 --> 01:14:01,120
So to me to me the parking on
on 48th or whatever it is here that's

827
01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:05,120
that was uh on 749 that was that's
dangerous there. I've seen lots of

828
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:08,960
people park there in front of that old
church but it's not a good place to

829
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:17,520
park. If anything, we should maybe put
up a signage and says whatever using in

830
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:21,760
a skateboard park or I don't know, maybe
maybe even block the that entrance on

831
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:28,360
the corner that'll force them to come
this way. I don't know.

832
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,360
Counc

833
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:39,280
no parking.
So in front of the old church,

834
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:45,040
» it's loud parking.
>> Yeah.

835
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:50,199
» So if we move the yellow line from one
side to the other, will that in any way

836
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:50,199
help?

837
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,199
» Going to make it just as dangerous for
any kids that are getting out of here.

838
01:14:55,199 --> 01:15:02,239
» And I guess just to clarify, I live
right on that road itself,

839
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:05,480
but the yellow no parking is only for
this block.

840
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:13,440
every all kinds of people parked in
front of my place.

841
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:15,440
Is there No, I'm I'm just asking to the
best of your knowledge, what was the

842
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:20,320
rationale?
>> But then there's nobody parks there's no

843
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:23,440
houses immediately across from you. So
if you park on one side of the street,

844
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:27,440
that's okay. You can still get two
vehicles by, right? But if you park a

845
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,960
vehicle on both sides.
>> Okay. No, I accept.

846
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:34,960
» No, there's no you got the one way in
front of your place, right?

847
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:39,040
» Yeah. Okay. No, I accept that argument,
deputy mayor.

848
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,199
» The curb across from your house is
painted. You can't park on the other

849
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:45,280
side of the street.
>> No, I accept the argument.

850
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:48,880
Would it help that if we just flip the
no parking

851
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:53,440
because I mean, nobody can park in front
of Hart River anyway.

852
01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:55,920
We're we're going to get the heavyweight
opinion here right away. But first,

853
01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:00,000
we'll
>> then you're taking away from Hart River

854
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:03,199
housing. I I would leave it I would
leave it the way it is. And if you if

855
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:08,480
anything, you got to put a signage up
for saying if you're using the park park

856
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:13,600
in the parking lot out here.
>> Okay, let's get the opinion of the

857
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:17,760
superintendent of the above ground.
>> Go ahead.

858
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:23,440
» And below right now,
>> honestly, around that park has always

859
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:28,239
been left open for sightelines. It's all
about the kids and it's not about

860
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:33,840
parking vehicles along that west side.
What happens or what could happen is a

861
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:38,239
kid could be coming out that gate,
young kid gets away from mom or dad, all

862
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:41,600
of a sudden if there's no vehicle there,
somebody coming up and down the road can

863
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:46,800
see what happens if he shoots out
between two cars. That's one of the

864
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:50,719
reasons. The other reason, as Brian,
Councelor Marson just said, it's a truck

865
01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:57,520
route, but it's also a dangerous goods
truck route. And um

866
01:16:55,040 --> 01:17:02,719
you can't it's some loads that go
through town now are wide enough and if

867
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:05,440
we start clogging that up. Another thing
too you got to think about it's right

868
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,679
next to a fireh hall.
>> Pardon?

869
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:10,640
» It's right next to the fire hall.
>> Yeah.

870
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:16,719
» So all that traffic will be uh lining up
before the fire hall. Um the ideal that

871
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:21,280
councelor Martin had Martinson had about
parking. We have a huge parking lot

872
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:28,640
right here and it's a one minute walk to
get to the park. So

873
01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:34,960
I think it's a safety issue to put
vehicles along there. Um sorry councelor

874
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:40,239
Hanland, but that's the way I feel. Um
and it's always been open there. It's

875
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:44,880
never been no parking along there. Not
in my time. Councelor Handling, your

876
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:49,679
your motion would have been that council
directs administration to consult with

877
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:54,159
the roads manager, etc.
We've just done that.

878
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:59,400
Do you actually do you want to proceed
with a motion now or just leave it?

879
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:10,880
Cuz I don't think it's going to win.
>> No, I don't think it will. But um thank

880
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:15,040
you for the clarification. Um I I was
approached by a few parents and

881
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:21,199
grandparents and
it made more sense to have park um the

882
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:28,199
parking on the west side of 749 rather
than the east side.

883
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,199
Council Mendo lineth,

884
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:40,159
» sorry. Uh the south side of 55th A that
there is restricted because of the we

885
01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:42,719
have hockey games or whatever else. If
you get parking on both sides all the

886
01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:45,280
way down the street, you're never going
to get another truck through there or

887
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:49,120
the half ton or something like that. So
that's why they made that side. Plus you

888
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:53,679
got the ice removal from the roof of the
arena if I remember correctly.

889
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:58,719
It's also hard and sanctuary.
>> Another thing that the lines were

890
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:04,000
painted is we had complaints from the
farmers like that farm on both sides of

891
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:08,800
high prairie and they couldn't get their
big machines through here cuz they are

892
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:13,440
getting bigger and
the restrictions like if people were

893
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:18,880
parked that's why I know at one time we
did park and paint the lines on one

894
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:25,440
side. So, okay. Councelor Hannon, are
you going to proceed with your motion?

895
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:30,560
Okay. Thank you.
Um,

896
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:35,920
although I had a note on here, of
course, as usual, not related to the

897
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:43,520
topic, but we had a request for a dog
park. What's ever happened to that?

898
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:48,640
Just a question. It's a legitimate
question. Most communities have parks

899
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:51,760
for leash, dogs, and unleashed. This is
a dog park for the unleashed. Deputy

900
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:55,360
mayor,
>> it came to the rec committee. The rec

901
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:59,120
committee approved it. I believe Cam's
getting more information for the 2027

902
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:02,719
capital budget.
>> Do we know where it's going?

903
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:06,800
» The rec community w committee is in
favor of it. It'll come to the capital

904
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:12,640
capital budget plan.
>> Station is still open. Oh, it'll go in

905
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:15,360
JC Park or I I suggest at the George Key
Memorial Park, but I don't think that's

906
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:19,679
going to go
>> right now that I'll vote against that.

907
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:24,320
And the reason for it is you're putting
a park for the leashed and the park for

908
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:27,920
the unleashed. And you're going to have
a lot of confusion both of owners and

909
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:31,440
dogs.
>> Yeah. But I think it's a bad move.

910
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:35,600
» It'll it'd go in JC Park. It would have
a fence around it for unleashed dogs.

911
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:39,520
» We must have vacant land somewhere we
can throw a fence around. JC Park.

912
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:43,400
» I think it's not I don't think it's
wise. But moving on,

913
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:54,560
» where are we? Okay. Alberta Mun's
attendance.

914
01:20:51,600 --> 01:21:00,560
The fall convention of the Alberta
municipalities

915
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:07,760
is September 22nd to 24th in Edmonton.
This is the one with the big trade show.

916
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:12,960
I frankly think that all counselors
would benefit from going.

917
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:19,280
Uh
I would in fact support all counselors

918
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:24,400
despite the cost of going, but I realize
that not all are either able to or

919
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:27,600
willing to. So let's have some
discussion. And council me

920
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:31,840
» just to correct you your worship. Sorry,
but the the convention is office from

921
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:37,440
the 23rd to the 25th. The 22nd would be
required as the travel day before.

922
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:42,960
» Oh, sorry. You're right. It's the 20 the
22nd is actually the elected officer

923
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:46,320
courses. Sorry, you're you're quite
right.

924
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:51,520
» Yeah.
>> Make sure we're all on the same page.

925
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:55,760
» It's also my granddaughter's birthday.
Council,

926
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:59,520
» having said that, uh, yeah, I agree also
it's it's a team building thing also for

927
01:21:57,679 --> 01:22:02,159
the councilors all to get together. You
can see and there's going to be

928
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:07,280
resolutions passed at this one. There's
a trade show. It's probably a good one

929
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:12,080
to go to. I've gone uh both staff and
now on council, but uh having attended

930
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:16,080
the one with all of council as a staff
member with the previous council down in

931
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:19,199
Red Deer, uh it was a good chance for
most of the counselors to get together

932
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:24,239
and actually get along. It was good to
see and uh you get to see meet people

933
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:27,679
not necessarily from your area but even
further out Fox Creek which is good to

934
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:33,840
talk to Valley View because we probably
most of us don't see half of those

935
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:39,840
people that often uh even P or uh Flair
Nally etc. So yeah I agree with you.

936
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:46,159
Okay, any other comments? Basically,
we're asking which counselors will want

937
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:52,719
to come to all or part of the fall
convention of Alberta Munis. I am going

938
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:57,120
I think the CEO is going, Herman's
going, deputy mayor is going for at

939
01:22:54,880 --> 01:23:00,320
least two days. Did you say think?
>> Uh, I'm going to be in Edmonton anyway.

940
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,880
I stay with family. I don't need a
hotel. It'll be cheap.

941
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:07,280
» Okay.
>> So, I I just need to register.

942
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:13,840
» No. Councelor Temple, no. Councelor Ham,
no. Councelor Perski. No.

943
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:21,920
Okay. The motion then is to support the
attendance for councilors Menerline and

944
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:27,440
the deputy mayor and the mayor.
>> Is that cover it?

945
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:32,639
» The CEO just to make sure you cover
somebody.

946
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:37,679
» Okay. CEO added to the list.
I stay with my children. So no hotels

947
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:44,719
for me. Now, one of the things
important, we have two meetings with

948
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:48,159
ministers set up. Is that correct?
>> That's correct.

949
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:53,280
» And
the MLA is coming with us. Knows about

950
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:57,840
them.
>> That's the way the county is doing

951
01:23:55,040 --> 01:24:00,719
things. They're lining up the MLA even
if he doesn't come that he knows about

952
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:06,960
them.
>> Okay. I'll inform them.

953
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:12,560
All those in favor of those four
individuals going to the Alberta MUN's

954
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:17,440
fall convention in Edmonton. All those
in favor

955
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:21,840
carried
>> and we're moving on.

956
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:27,120
» Who made the motion?
Your worship. One other thing there

957
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:30,880
your worship with that there. 22nd being
his travel date and to get a council

958
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:36,159
meeting on the evening of the 22nd with
the CEO out of here and ourselves. Is it

959
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:43,960
a idea to possibly move that meeting on
the 22nd to the 29th? Good point. As a

960
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,960
result of the fall convention,

961
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:52,400
we will move the regular council meeting
to the 29th

962
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:57,268
as moved by councelor Minderline.
Any concerns about that?

963
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,288
Better look see if I'm allowed to.
[laughter]

964
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:19,120
That's the day before truth and
reconciliation day. All those in favor

965
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:24,239
of moving by one week to the 29th
carried.

966
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:28,400
All right. Can I ask another question on
this topic? Um, you said that there were

967
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:36,080
two minister meetings. Um, which
ministers are you guys meeting with and

968
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:41,360
do we have topics to discuss with them?
>> J,

969
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:46,159
I'm trying to remember now. Um,
I'll get that information for you

970
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:48,800
tomorrow. We do have topics that were
sent to them.

971
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:53,159
» Send that topic.
>> Yeah, I I'll send it to all of you.

972
01:25:54,000 --> 01:26:03,199
We're now on to page uh item 8.7 on page
123. Deputy mayor,

973
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:08,009
» you can't say I talked too much because
my last notice of motion was three

974
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:10,029
sentences. That's a record for me.
[laughter]

975
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:18,960
» Um the Canadian that covers that, but
fine. The Canadian Housing Catalog is a

976
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:25,120
collection of predefined,
pre-engineered, pre-stamped house plans.

977
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:30,159
Um, there's a number of uh communities
in BC and Ontario that I'm aware of that

978
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:36,239
are uh taking advantage of this. The
advantage here is, and we've seen it in

979
01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:41,040
town with a uh with a recent uh
project we uh approved and reszoneed

980
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:44,239
behind uh
behind the liquor store beside the Meta

981
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:49,280
Center, that Apex there, right? We
approve that project. They uh go to uh

982
01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:52,000
pull a building permit and the uh
building inspector says, "Hey, you need

983
01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:57,040
an engineering stamp." And then they go
to the engineer and the engineer quotes

984
01:26:53,920 --> 01:27:01,920
them $40,000 or or whatever it was. If
they had pulled a uh blueprint plan out

985
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:05,040
of the Canadian housing catalog, it's
already pre-stamped. It saves them that

986
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:10,480
engineering cost. They could pull an
aplex floor plan blueprint out of the

987
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:15,760
Canadian housing plan catalog and uh
start construction tomorrow. Um I don't

988
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:19,120
I'm not sure what other communities are
doing to uh to support this program. My

989
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:24,400
understanding is they have it written
into their development bylaw um to

990
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:29,600
fasttrack um houses that are already
pre-approved. Um my motion is just to uh

991
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:34,239
that council instruct administration to
investigate

992
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:39,040
» and report back.
>> Okay. The the third paragraph I'd like

993
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:44,159
to see a report to council researching
and outlining is converted into a

994
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:48,360
motion.
Questions or comments on this?

995
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:58,159
All those in favor of the deputy All
those in favor carried.

996
01:27:56,719 --> 01:28:03,639
Boy, you've been a busy little boy,
haven't you?

997
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:03,639
Item 8.8,

998
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:10,560
» I got to apologize for the spelling
errors in this one because I uh well, I

999
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:15,679
rushed on Thursday to get it into the
meeting agenda for this meeting. Um, but

1000
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:19,920
I I feel we've been shortch changed with
uh what has happened with the yak and uh

1001
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:24,800
the new information that has
materialized for us over the last month

1002
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:32,239
um really puts things into perspective.
Um but again I in my proposal I'm kind

1003
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:36,800
of counting on council um to uh give
some direction on where she we should go

1004
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:41,679
with this. This is uh a lot of fresh
information that we've we've dug up and

1005
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:46,840
I uh I don't want to sit on it. we uh we
need to do something and I don't know

1006
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,840
what that something is but

1007
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:54,760
if I could take advantage of this and
and perhaps speak first

1008
01:28:55,280 --> 01:29:05,679
through the good graces of the county.
The county arranged for us to see the

1009
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:12,239
youth assessment center and that was
done through their uh request to the

1010
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:18,159
Minister of Addictions and Mental
Health. Just to back up a bit, the CEO

1011
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:25,600
and I have met with Minister of
Municipal Affairs uh Dan Williams and he

1012
01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:32,080
gave us advice and advice was to meet
with the Minister of Children and Social

1013
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:38,639
Services, Serial Torton.
We met with him. We again asked about

1014
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:45,520
this study that was apparently done to
justify the movement of our youth

1015
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:50,320
assessment center beds to Grand Prairie.
Two facts came out of that even though

1016
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:56,960
he was not prepared to share the study
with us. One is that the study described

1017
01:29:53,440 --> 01:30:02,560
the building as being significantly fire
damaged.

1018
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:08,560
Made that statement. He also made the
statement that one of another reason why

1019
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:17,280
the beds were moved to Grand Prairie was
the the inability to hire or to recruit

1020
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:23,920
qualified social workers in High Prairie
as opposed to Grand Prairie.

1021
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:30,239
I pointed out at that meeting that the
Northern Lakes College was in fact

1022
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:36,080
graduating qualified bachelors of social
work from the in partnership with the

1023
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:44,360
University of Calgary just a few
kilometers away from the building.

1024
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:44,360
Uh that kind of ended that discussion.

1025
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:48,199
I

1026
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:57,760
given my previous history of employment,
you can see that I'm really reluctant to

1027
01:30:54,159 --> 01:31:05,199
say this, but I'll say it in public. I
think that the youth assessment center

1028
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:12,080
has been misrepresented to us
because I'll add to that the fact that I

1029
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:19,679
David and I went into the building.
The pod has four bedrooms and a small

1030
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:25,199
common area. There's glass windows there
to be able to look in. So to maintain

1031
01:31:22,639 --> 01:31:30,639
supervision,
if you look in the pod, all that's

1032
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:35,679
happened, and by the admission of the
building technician who took us there,

1033
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:42,480
all you need to do is clean it and fix
it. All that happened was a scorching.

1034
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:48,480
the wall need to be replaced, the
drywall, the ceiling panels, and the

1035
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:53,679
floor needs to be repainted.
He said there was no damage to the roof.

1036
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:58,000
The envelope of the building still has
the integrity.

1037
01:31:55,520 --> 01:32:04,239
There has been some comments made about
how wavy the concrete slab was, but I

1038
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:08,080
was in there 15 minutes before the tour
and went around and opened and closed

1039
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:12,159
doors and all the doors open and closed
properly. and they're the first ones

1040
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:15,920
that would jam on you if there was a
concrete problem. So, I think the

1041
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:22,080
condition of the building was
misrepresented to us. I think it was

1042
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:25,480
also misrepresented
to cabinet

1043
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:34,000
and I think that premier almost alluded
to that

1044
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:39,920
in our meeting with premier on a totally
separate issue in the hospital

1045
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:46,639
and uh that was in response to the
deputy mayor's qu question of her about

1046
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:53,280
the youth assessment center and also
based on his previous conversations with

1047
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:59,040
the MLA from Grand Prairie who made the
announcement that the building had been

1048
01:32:55,520 --> 01:33:03,280
significantly damaged by fire
and that that's why the beds were being

1049
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:07,199
moved. Is there anything you want to add
to that, Deputy Mayor?

1050
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:12,480
» No, that sums it up.
>> Just to point out, the MLA from Grand

1051
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:16,719
Prairie, Ron Weeb, told the deputy mayor
he knew nothing about it.

1052
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:23,440
yet he's the one that made the
announcement in Grand Prairie.

1053
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:29,360
I I honestly believe that we have been
misrepresented to us and I also now

1054
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:35,199
believe that cabinet
has not received an accurate

1055
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:40,800
presentation of the facts.
And so I agree with the deputy mayor

1056
01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:45,360
that we should be writing a letter to
the last person that we spoke to at

1057
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:49,000
length about this problem being the
premier herself.

1058
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:56,560
And
I'll write such a letter and of course

1059
01:33:53,920 --> 01:34:00,320
it'll be reviewed by the CEO and the
deputy mayor

1060
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:07,840
if you think that that's what we should
do. Remember now we're we're uh we're

1061
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:12,480
raising this topic to the highest level
and we're also saying that cabinet was

1062
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:17,840
misinformed
or inaccurately

1063
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:21,960
informed.
They don't get much more serious.

1064
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:30,120
Any questions or comments? Starting with
councelor Temple who always likes to say

1065
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,120
something.

1066
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:37,760
I think our MLA should have that letter
too.

1067
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:43,199
So he has something to bring up and say
you guys have misrepresented this in my

1068
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:49,280
area. It is time to fix it. Well, the
irony of this was that he was in the

1069
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:52,800
penalty box at the time and the MLA
representing us was the MLA from Grand

1070
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,080
Prairie
>> who made the announcement.

1071
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:59,679
» But he's out of the penalty box now so
he can

1072
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:04,239
» Okay.
Any other questions or comments? Better

1073
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:08,960
say it cuz you don't you're not opening
this Hornets's nest without some

1074
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:19,400
thought. I would uh CC the other
ministers too and MLAs.

1075
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:19,400
» I would certainly CC Minister Williams.

1076
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:26,480
» You would also like to CC
ministers Turan and Wilson.

1077
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:32,159
» Wilson. Yeah.
>> Well, Wilson is the one that did us the

1078
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:37,840
good turn.
Turn is the one who wanted to cut off

1079
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,840
the discussion.

1080
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:49,120
I tell you what my objective in this. We
lost a number of jobs that I call

1081
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:55,040
mortgage jobs. That is they were being
paid adequate to have a good mortgage

1082
01:35:52,320 --> 01:36:00,320
and have a good home.
And I don't know how many positions I've

1083
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:05,360
heard numbers from 12 to 20.
I'm not I don't think the town should be

1084
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:10,320
taking over that building. I don't think
a charitable group should be taking it

1085
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:15,360
over. I think the government should
return a program to the building and

1086
01:36:13,679 --> 01:36:19,880
return
good mortgage jobs.

1087
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:31,639
Okay,
remember now you're all sticking your

1088
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:31,639
head up above the foxhole.

1089
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:40,840
Then we should have the newspaper here
filming that saying this is what the

1090
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:40,840
government calls significant damage.

1091
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:45,639
» Yeah, that'd be a good one. Eh,

1092
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:55,119
» any further questions or comments are,
you know, if you got a hesitation, voice

1093
01:36:51,360 --> 01:37:00,400
it now because basically the deputy
mayor has made a motion to the effect of

1094
01:36:58,719 --> 01:37:07,239
writing such a letter. Is that correct?
>> Oh, yeah.

1095
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:07,239
Any further questions or comments?

1096
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:13,719
You know, at my age, I'm easily
sacrificed.

1097
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:22,880
My hide isn't worth anything anymore.
There's no more, you know, best before

1098
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:26,719
date. It's all behind me.
Deputy Mayor, I'm used to getting myself

1099
01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:30,960
in trouble, but I'm I'm going to get all
of us in trouble with this one.

1100
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:34,000
Um I I just and I don't and I don't know
the answer, but how do we get our hands

1101
01:37:32,719 --> 01:37:36,800
on the cabinet document? It's supposed
to be public information redacted. Of

1102
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:40,960
course, it isn't.
>> It can they can redact it, but they're

1103
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:44,800
supposed to release the facts, right?
So, how do we how do we get our hands on

1104
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:50,080
that? Well, we could go through the
access for information because

1105
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:55,760
» technically
a report that reports facts or makes

1106
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:59,440
statements that are purported to be
facts

1107
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:01,840
should be
able to point. But

1108
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:05,520
» can can we add that?
>> But I can tell you right now the

1109
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:11,920
secretary to cabinet would fight that
one until the on to the 79th generation.

1110
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:15,520
» Bring it on.
You're not going to beat him.

1111
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,920
» No. No.
>> It's the president.

1112
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:25,239
» You're not You're not going to get that
thing released unless unless somebody in

1113
01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:25,239
premier's office says so.

1114
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:31,280
» But otherwise, Secretary of the Cabinet
will fight it. Councelor Mind.

1115
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:35,440
» Uh I sort of mentioned this before in
discussions with some but I think maybe

1116
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:40,080
the way to get the document would maybe
be at the AB munis during the bare pit

1117
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:43,840
session and asked the minute directly
that since this affected our facility we

1118
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:48,560
would like to get a copy of the report.
Would that be possible? Not putting out

1119
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:53,679
what's going to happen with it but
>> I asked Daniel Smith that she brushed me

1120
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:56,400
off. That's why at the bare pit session
it works a lot better because you've got

1121
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:59,840
all the ministers up there plus the
premier and usually it says get in touch

1122
01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:02,960
with so and so in the back of the room
and they'll arrange for it.

1123
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:06,880
» That's so that's maybe that might be bad
idea just try the back door.

1124
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:15,280
» Yeah.
>> Uh I support this if you do it Herman

1125
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:19,440
and I'm well away from it [laughter]
and I don't think that David wants to be

1126
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:25,199
in the building either. So, both David
and I are going shopping.

1127
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:31,199
I'll I'll stand next to you, Herman.
I think it's a bad idea. Let's stick to

1128
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:37,080
the letter.
>> Huh?

1129
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:37,080
» No.

1130
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:47,360
The premier, interestingly enough,
closed the discussion with the deputy

1131
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:51,520
mayor by something about saying, "Yeah,
it it may have been a bureaucratic

1132
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:55,760
exaggeration
for a minister to get something or what

1133
01:39:54,719 --> 01:40:00,800
was the wording again?"
>> She said, uh, she used the she used the

1134
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:05,440
direct quote bure bureaucratic
exaggeration and she said that sometimes

1135
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:09,679
those reports can say whatever ministers
want them to.

1136
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:19,960
Yeah. Okay. All those in favor of
writing the four discussed letter. All

1137
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:19,960
those in favor carried. Moving on.

1138
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:29,560
Oh, page 126.
Before we even get into this one,

1139
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:38,159
we have an emergency management
committee.

1140
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:43,199
I'm on it. The deputy mayor is on it and
two other counselors and the CEO. I need

1141
01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:49,040
to point out to you what kind of
committee it is. It's in fact an

1142
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:56,400
executive committee that can act during
emergency without calling a town council

1143
01:40:52,239 --> 01:41:01,920
meeting. That's why it has already a
majority of counselors on it. four out

1144
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:06,480
of seven
because sometimes you can't call a town

1145
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:14,000
council meeting an in emergency. That's
why we have it's the only town committee

1146
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:17,360
where you have a majority already on it.
Okay.

1147
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:24,000
But that committee hasn't met for a
year. It's my own recommendation that we

1148
01:41:20,719 --> 01:41:28,239
first have that committee meet and go
through this. It'd be a really good

1149
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:34,320
opportunity for the committee to
familiarize themselves with the policy

1150
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:40,719
before it's discussed and as a good
followup to the training session we had

1151
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:46,719
on emergency management. Uh when was
that? Early this spring, wasn't it?

1152
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:51,040
» Yeah. So, my own recommendation is that
we just

1153
01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:56,280
set this one aside until we have a
committee meeting. Okay. Any

1154
01:41:56,639 --> 01:42:03,199
disagreement with the mayor's decision
to set it aside? Hearing? None. Let's

1155
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:08,400
move on.
It's amazing what I can get done so late

1156
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:11,400
in the day. Eh.
Oh,

1157
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:18,719
» that's why the superintendent of the
above ground is here for the

1158
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:25,800
underground.
Go ahead, Mike.

1159
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:25,800
We're now on page 188.

1160
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:35,360
» So, this is all about uh the two river
pumps that we had have both failed.

1161
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:40,239
Uh what's in the RFD is exactly what it
is. They're we know they're 34 years

1162
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:42,880
old. We don't know if they're 40, but
we're guessing they're around there.

1163
01:42:42,311 --> 01:42:47,040
» [sighs]
>> Uh what what has happened over the

1164
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:52,560
previous years
is two pumps were being alternated each

1165
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:58,320
year
uh in the river and we would be

1166
01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:01,840
taking the power cable off of one pump
and adding it to the next pump and then

1167
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:09,440
back and forth and back and forth every
year. Well, that has caught up to the

1168
01:43:04,639 --> 01:43:13,920
pumps because now the seals are bad
and we had water infiltration into the

1169
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:18,800
electrical.
The first one blew

1170
01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:22,639
and then we hooked up the second one and
with the same power cable and the second

1171
01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:29,040
one blew.
>> When did they?

1172
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:34,560
» Two months ago. Not even two months ago.
So, we have been pumping with a lowflow

1173
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:40,400
pump that was purchased about 3 four
years ago uh when the river was real

1174
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:44,400
low. Uh the manager at the time decided
that we had have a low flow one and we

1175
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:48,639
finally got a chance to put it in and it
works. It maintains

1176
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:55,920
but we would never get the reservoir
filled right now with the low flow. So,

1177
01:43:52,639 --> 01:44:01,199
then we decided to rent some diesel
pumps. We have two 6-in diesel pumps

1178
01:43:58,159 --> 01:44:06,400
running in uh continuation tied to one
another. And

1179
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:11,760
that is a cost of
well, it cost about $7,400 a month for

1180
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:15,679
the rental on the two pumps. Uh and it's
going to be about $600 a day for fuel.

1181
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:19,920
Now, that's the only way we're going to
get the reservoir full this year is with

1182
01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:24,880
that system. The these pumps that we're
asking to buy, there's a 19week waiting

1183
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:30,320
period before we get them. So that's why
we're in here now asking for these pumps

1184
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:35,800
because every day counts to make sure we
have them in the new year so we can get

1185
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,800
them all ready to go.

1186
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:42,000
» This is a silly question, but are these
pumps made in Canada?

1187
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:47,280
» No, they're made in Sweden.
>> Sweden. So okay, I'm just worried south

1188
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:50,280
of the border. There's no 50%. Okay,
thanks.

1189
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:17,280
I was going to get to the same point
that councelor Minderline did, but um

1190
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,760
and I I don't know how you say the name,
the X company.

1191
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:26,400
» Exile.
>> Exile. Um they're headquartered out of

1192
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:29,920
Washington, USA. Um Camco
Chamco Chamco

1193
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:35,280
» is headquartered out of Calgary,
Alberta. Um, is that going to affect

1194
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:39,040
parts down the road?
>> Zyllem Zyllem is the name of the

1195
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:40,880
company. The name of the pump is flight.
Okay.

1196
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:46,320
» And we have a lot of flight stuff
throughout our town. Our lift stations

1197
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:49,520
are all running flight pumps. And uh the
reason why we're doing this, Councelor

1198
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:53,840
Shunter, is because or the reason why
we're asking for the to go back to

1199
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:57,920
Zyllem. We have a cage system for these
pumps. There will be no alterations. The

1200
01:45:56,239 --> 01:46:00,400
new new pumps will just fit right in
there. Okay. And that saves us money

1201
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,639
there.
>> Okay.

1202
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:06,560
» And the new pumps will have their own
dedicated power cables. No more of this

1203
01:46:04,719 --> 01:46:12,080
swapping out. They're going to be sealed
units and we should not have that

1204
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:14,639
problem in the future.
So

1205
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:18,719
» your report says that the existing pumps
are 40 years old. The 2023 capital

1206
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:21,440
budget, we bought you guys a river pump
for $4,000.

1207
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:24,560
» That's the low flow.
>> Where is that?

1208
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:27,440
» And that is that was being used until we
got the diesel pumps.

1209
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:30,400
» Until we got the diesel pumps. Yeah. Why
can't it continue to be used?

1210
01:46:28,719 --> 01:46:31,360
» It won't fill it up before the freeze
up.

1211
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:37,040
» Okay,
>> it can't do it. It uh it was getting us

1212
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:41,600
about an inch, 2 in every 3 4 days. You
add that up, it ain't going to do it.

1213
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:47,920
We're going to We would be in trouble.
>> Yep. And even not to scare you guys, but

1214
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:52,159
we had all this rain. We had to pull the
diesel pumps. We almost lost them in the

1215
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:55,760
river because the water come up so high.
Now, we're having issues pumping right

1216
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:59,679
now because there's so much sediment and
grass and trees and and we're just

1217
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:04,639
trying to do it, but we're not getting
the proper pressures. So, we're at it

1218
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:09,280
every day. That's what our life is now
with public works is trying to get water

1219
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:12,880
to that reservoir. So, well, if it's got
to be, it's got to be. But I'm going to

1220
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:17,040
take the opportunity to make one more
point that

1221
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:20,320
this is something you guys should have
seen and you should have brought forward

1222
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:27,199
earlier. 40-year-old pumps. They're well
past their end of life. Um it's it's

1223
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:31,600
constant surprises from the town. Um and
it's never a hey council, we've got

1224
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:33,920
40-year-old pumps. Maybe we'll get
another couple years out of them, but

1225
01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:39,280
you should start thinking about saving
saving up for to replace them. It's

1226
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:45,360
always a hey council, we're uh renting p
pump pumps and we're wasting money on

1227
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:48,800
diesel and rental fees. Um, it's always
a rush with a tail between our legs to

1228
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:53,920
get things cleaned up after the fact.
There's never any proactive thought and

1229
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:57,119
it's quite disappointing. But
>> well, I just going to say that's over my

1230
01:47:55,520 --> 01:48:00,920
head cuz that's nothing to do with me.
>> Wasn't directed at you.

1231
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:08,880
» Although it's unfortunate that this was
not included in the discussions for the

1232
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:13,280
last year's capital budget. But the
deputy mayor is quite correct. Somebody

1233
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:18,239
keeps kicking the can down the road and
the can always stops in front of us.

1234
01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:22,239
» Council Martin, you had a question.
>> Uh the new pumps, you still send them

1235
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:25,360
out to get refurbished.
>> I don't think we'll have to do it the

1236
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:28,800
way we did before. Probably every two
years that the pump will go down. Not

1237
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:32,880
every year like we've been doing. And
just so you guys know, too, when you

1238
01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:36,400
refurbish these pumps, these old pumps
that we had, when you're refurbish,

1239
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:41,520
you're spending $30, $40,000 just to
refurbish a pump every year.

1240
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:45,600
So, it's uh it's a lot of money going
out. And yes, the pumps are 40 years old

1241
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:50,320
and they should have been thought about
a long time ago, but that's just the way

1242
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:53,760
you know what this is how we were raised
here. And uh we were not allowed to ask

1243
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:58,600
for too many things. And maybe that's
the reason why. I don't know. But

1244
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:05,600
» but that's the reason.
>> I I understand that last comment. I just

1245
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:12,239
want to make it clear and you know to
management that it's council that

1246
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:17,840
decides priorities. We need to have all
of the things that need to be addressed

1247
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:23,360
in front of us and then with your advice
and guidance obviously ultimately it's

1248
01:49:20,639 --> 01:49:28,800
up to us
so that we're not caught constantly

1249
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:35,440
picking up something now a 40-year-old
problem. Okay. And and then the problem

1250
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:37,600
is truly ours if we don't pick it up,
you know.

1251
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:41,760
» Just wait for budget.
>> Yeah. No, no. I And we'll say no to you

1252
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:43,600
on a number of things like we did last
year.

1253
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:45,040
» We got to do we got to do things
differently and that's just the way it

1254
01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:49,199
is.
>> Yeah.

1255
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:54,880
» Councelor Temple. Well, with that talk
there, Mr. Mayor, why wouldn't it be in

1256
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:59,760
our best interest to sit down with our
managers once a month and have a report

1257
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:04,480
back to us what's going on? What are you
having problems with? What's going

1258
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:07,840
what's old? What's broke down?
Cuz there's a lot of stuff we don't

1259
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:13,440
know. I'm glad you brought that up
because I'm used to a governance world

1260
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:18,080
that apparently doesn't happen in a
municipal world. I'm used to a

1261
01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:26,159
governance world where senior managers
report to the governing body on at least

1262
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:29,840
a semianual if not quarterly basis.
So that you would have we have for

1263
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:34,560
instance two superintendents we call
them above ground and underground and

1264
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:40,800
that they would report directly to us
not when they need something but for us

1265
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:44,719
and in fact those are the kinds of
things that should be happening on the

1266
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:49,199
committee of the whole council is a
legislative function committee of the

1267
01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:55,920
whole is an information function but
it's a good point but we got to get back

1268
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:55,920
to the river pumps any further questions

1269
01:50:58,159 --> 01:51:07,199
Council Martinson, you made the motion.
>> No, I got a I got a question. So, could

1270
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:10,800
you get by with one this year
>> if you ordered one?

1271
01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:15,280
» So, if you get one and that one that one
does crater for some reason, we send it

1272
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:18,480
away and we're back to renting diesel
pumps.

1273
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:23,119
» That's why we had two pumps and one was
always sent out to get refurbished so

1274
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:28,320
we'd always have a backup. So,
>> and we also we did talk about renting

1275
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:32,159
buying one asking for one right now, but
I decided that two because the company

1276
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:36,880
told me that they don't know what's
going to happen as of January 1st of

1277
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:42,560
every year. The dollar val the amount
could go up. So, uh and like I say, it's

1278
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:46,639
all about the safety aspect of having
two pumps. One goes out, you have

1279
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:50,639
another one to put right in the river.
So

1280
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:56,080
» I'll extend uh councelor Martinson's
question slightly to say could we have

1281
01:51:53,119 --> 01:52:01,520
one?
My question would be if we had only one

1282
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:08,400
river pump with the low flow as the
backup, is that a doable scenario?

1283
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:12,480
» I would not advise it because we don't
know how long it would take that low

1284
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:16,239
flow pump to fill that reservoir.
So that's

1285
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:20,800
» I'm just looking for a way to buy two
pumps over two capital budgets instead

1286
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:26,239
of one.
And in fact that one capital budget

1287
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:31,400
being this one and the next capital
budget being the immediate one.

1288
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:36,239
» I suspect either way we'll have to take
the money out of reserves to fund that.

1289
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:38,480
Is that correct CEO?
>> That's correct.

1290
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:41,679
» Yeah. So it doesn't matter when we take
it out of there. And the thing is, if it

1291
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:45,040
bumps up the price on the second pump by
20 $25,000,

1292
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:49,679
is it such a good decision? Or if we
only have one already on prices. He's

1293
01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:54,800
right,
>> Mike.

1294
01:52:52,560 --> 01:53:00,159
» I also bickered and played her ball with
the company and I got 8.75% discount on

1295
01:52:57,599 --> 01:53:04,159
that. Those two pumps. If you buy one, I
don't think you were getting an 8.75%

1296
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:06,320
discount.
>> You're certainly a persuasive

1297
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:10,480
individual.
>> I'm just telling it the way it is.

1298
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:15,199
You good for a motion?
>> I'm still listening for a motion.

1299
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:22,520
» I'm ready.
>> Uh council purchase of two river pumps

1300
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:22,520
from Zylum at a cost of $245,847.99

1301
01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:29,360
» to be funded.
>> To be funded from reserves,

1302
01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:35,040
» unrestricted reserve water reserve.
>> Yeah. One more.

1303
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:39,280
» These new pumps will be coming with a
control module, something that we didn't

1304
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:44,560
have on the other two. The control
module will show bearing temperatures.

1305
01:53:41,599 --> 01:53:49,280
It will show uh water infiltration,
stuff like that. All our utility guys

1306
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:54,400
can have a phone now and they can look
at their own phone and monitor the

1307
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:57,760
pumps, which is something we never had
before. The only thing we ever knew

1308
01:53:55,599 --> 01:54:01,440
about the pumps before was we go over in
the pump house, we see if this if

1309
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:04,719
there's a if they're pumping and the PSI
that they're pumping at.

1310
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:07,199
» So you don't No smoke was coming out if
it was

1311
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:10,960
» Exactly. Now we can monitor and it also
will fit with the SCADA that is coming

1312
01:54:09,599 --> 01:54:14,639
into the new water plant.
>> Yeah.

1313
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:22,239
» It all will link together with that. So
>> okay, motion as given. All those in

1314
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:31,760
favor? And it's carried. Moving on to
item 8.11. We're now on page 198.

1315
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:35,280
You may as well keep going on it, Mike.
So, this is uh yeah, this is a thing

1316
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:40,800
brought to you guys that you didn't
expect probably, but um 44th Street. Uh

1317
01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:46,000
I know I'm going to get lots of
questions after this about 44th Street,

1318
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:51,440
but anyway, uh they finally got the
underground done. Uh their their base

1319
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:57,920
crew is going to be coming in here in I
think was the 11th or sometime this

1320
01:54:54,239 --> 01:55:03,760
weekend I suppose to start but um they
have done a little bit of damage to 52nd

1321
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:11,280
a which 52nd a was already a very very
damaged road and the

1322
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:17,199
head of who decided said to me he said
you know we can help you guys out with

1323
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:22,800
with resurfacing that road. So you guys
see here what it is. Um the cost would

1324
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:26,320
be we have 30,000 left out of our roads
resurfacing program. That's the stuff

1325
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:32,159
that we do ourselves. If we throw that
against the 95, we would be asking for

1326
01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:38,494
65,000 and change. And we would get a
brand new resurfaced road. 52nd AB would

1327
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:42,639
be uh newly resurfaced professional job.
[gasps] Uh you're probably going to ask

1328
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:46,880
me about the underground. We had no
issues with the water line on on that

1329
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:51,520
road. Uh the only things we've ever
fixed over there is a few sewer lines

1330
01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:58,560
and and curb stops. We never had to dig
out in the road in my time that I can

1331
01:55:53,679 --> 01:56:05,040
remember for water main breaks. So
>> someone willing to start that one.

1332
01:56:03,119 --> 01:56:08,719
» So hit me with the question line.
>> Okay, I'll ask a tough question. So we

1333
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:10,800
had engineers supervising the project,
did we?

1334
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:13,840
» They're over there as we speak every
day. And so they didn't advise them that

1335
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:16,080
they shouldn't be down there with that
heavy equipment or anything like that or

1336
01:56:15,199 --> 01:56:19,520
what is their recommendation?
>> They had to have some access. There's no

1337
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:24,719
way they had to have access to their
>> and the engineers are backing up this uh

1338
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:28,800
solution I guess is correct.
>> Our my engineer Trevor

1339
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:31,760
» or the town engineer there he thought it
was a wonderful wonderful solution.

1340
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:36,800
» Okay. Because the other thing question
here or other problem with this is that

1341
01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:42,000
it's actually possibly a route to the
second or the separate school coming

1342
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:45,280
down 52nd a from off of 44th down to the
school now. So that might help some of

1343
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:49,119
the traffic problems that's been there.
>> Yeah. Just let me explain to you. It's

1344
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:55,920
not curb and gutter. It's just an
overlay. It's an overlay and fixes along

1345
01:56:51,520 --> 01:57:00,320
the road. So it's not uh
no sidewalks. Well, the sidewalk there

1346
01:56:57,679 --> 01:57:04,960
is is not attached to the curb anyway.
So, councelor Martinson,

1347
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:12,719
» uh, my concern is
if you pave it, usually there's a

1348
01:57:07,679 --> 01:57:18,560
guarantee on the paving. So I just would
like to see that somehow negotiated

1349
01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:23,679
whether you got to do that or engineers
for a warranty period of one year after

1350
01:57:21,679 --> 01:57:29,599
it's paved
from the time that the company that puts

1351
01:57:27,119 --> 01:57:34,639
it down and the engineers walk the
project.

1352
01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:38,080
» Yep. I agree. I never talked about
warranties with uh Brent, but I can

1353
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:43,760
definitely do that.
>> Okay. Is the

1354
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:47,119
is the do dollar figure of approximately
95,000 still the number you're looking

1355
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:51,599
for?
>> No, I'm looking for 65,3604

1356
01:57:50,719 --> 01:57:56,679
and4
>> 65

1357
01:57:53,679 --> 01:57:56,679
36014.

1358
01:57:56,719 --> 01:58:07,760
» Oh, that 14. Okay.
The motion then is for approval and I

1359
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:12,880
take it this is out of reserves.
the motion. Somebody's going to make it.

1360
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:15,880
It has to where it comes from. Councelor
Martinsson.

1361
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:24,599
Mike, please.
Michael. The mic.

1362
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:31,080
that council approved the funding of
$65,360.14

1363
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:43,880
to come out of roads capital reserves
for the resurfacing the portion of 52nd

1364
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:43,880
Avenue between 44th and 46th streets.

1365
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:53,199
» Questions or comments? Councelor,
>> you want to maybe I should have put the

1366
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:57,840
total amount in there because
some of it's coming out of his reserves

1367
01:58:55,440 --> 01:59:02,040
already. So, I'll change that motion to
read 90 95,36014.

1368
01:59:04,719 --> 01:59:11,199
» David, is that cover everything? Right.
>> Yeah, that covers everything. He's

1369
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:15,760
approving the quote and the actual
amount that'll come out of the reserve.

1370
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:22,800
» Councelor Hanland.
So, a question I wrote down is um so we

1371
01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:31,040
know a lot of our streets are not in
good shape. Um when we go to work on or

1372
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:36,080
the next street that in the next
upcoming budget, I'm sure there'll be um

1373
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:39,520
streets that we're we're going to fix.
Is this something that we're going to

1374
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:47,960
have to keep an eye on for future
projects as well that like is it common

1375
01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:47,960
to have that much damage on a street?

1376
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:54,480
» I think you guys needed to go down the
street before they even started their

1377
01:59:51,760 --> 02:00:01,440
work. There was you could really not
call it a street. It was so damaged.

1378
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:05,280
Yeah. And uh there is like there's a
place on the east end of 52nd a where

1379
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:10,000
there was no ashalt. We had to give up
on it. We just put it a millings. We

1380
02:00:07,119 --> 02:00:14,400
just kept back blading millings there.
So

1381
02:00:12,159 --> 02:00:18,239
there is a this was a particularly
different one because they had to have

1382
02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:23,679
access. They they used 52nd a and they
used 51st a

1383
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:28,239
» 51st a was a little bit uh not as
destroyed as what 52nd was. So that's

1384
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:32,480
why you really see it on 52nd and that's
why he's giving us the price he's giving

1385
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:37,199
us is because he's trying to help us out
with uh you know they know that they

1386
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:40,480
done some damage. So
>> yeah.

1387
02:00:37,599 --> 02:00:48,639
» Yeah. I actually drove down 51st and
52nd to see the difference and yeah 52nd

1388
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:53,760
I know is bad. I I just want to I guess
keep in mind that any future projects

1389
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:56,880
we're going to have to keep this in mind
just in case there is more damage next

1390
02:00:56,159 --> 02:00:59,360
project.
>> Yeah.

1391
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:03,360
» So you're essentially warning us about
collateral damage.

1392
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:09,199
» Good point. Further questions or
comments? Deputy mayor.

1393
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:14,159
I want to push and lean into councelor
Hanland's line of questioning a little

1394
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:17,280
bit because I'm still unclear who's at
the end of the day who's liable for

1395
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:20,480
this. It's not us cuz we never gave them
permission to use our road. It's our

1396
02:01:18,719 --> 02:01:23,440
road. They drove their equipment down
it. It's not our fault they drove their

1397
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:27,119
equipment down it. We had to give them
access. They're the contractor. They're

1398
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:30,080
responsible for putting down rigmats or
whatever it is they do to protect the

1399
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:34,080
surface.
>> That's just the way it is with the

1400
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:38,560
engineers. The engineers allowed it to
happen and this this this is run by

1401
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:42,639
engineers, not run by me.
>> I know.

1402
02:01:39,119 --> 02:01:48,639
» So, u they had to have access one way or
the other. And like I say, a lot of what

1403
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:53,679
you see over there is just gravel and
mud and stuff like that. And yes, there

1404
02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:58,560
was a little bit extra damage. I can't
say how much. Uh, Councelor Shunter, I

1405
02:01:55,679 --> 02:02:02,080
don't know. But it just after we swept
it the other day, it looked a little bit

1406
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:07,520
better, but the road is gone. like we
have a full perfect time to get that

1407
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:11,920
thing covered last another seven to 10
years we won't have to worry about it.

1408
02:02:08,960 --> 02:02:17,679
» So what uh
Mr. Joy what policy or

1409
02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:22,000
how how do we instruct the engineers to
uh not allow heavy equipment on our

1410
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:26,320
roads for the next project so that this
doesn't happen again?

1411
02:02:24,639 --> 02:02:34,880
Well, it's worth a discussion with the
engineers um to exp to find out what

1412
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:39,440
their reasoning was. Um I do think this
is an opportunity though to take

1413
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:45,280
advantage of this uh that road's going
to have to be repaved anyway and instead

1414
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:50,239
of paying 160 to 180,000
uh when it'll be 95,000.

1415
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:53,440
» Well, I agree with you on this on this
situation. I'm trying to put a little

1416
02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:55,920
bit of forward thought into it for the
next one.

1417
02:02:57,679 --> 02:03:03,239
Oh, is it the engineer that's liable in
this case?

1418
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:21,040
» I think they just have to write it into
the contract that any any damage to any

1419
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:27,159
lateral roads will be the responsibility
of the contractor. Is that written into

1420
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:27,159
our current contract?

1421
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:36,639
» I I I share the deputy mayor's we're
obviously going to pay this. We're

1422
02:03:34,719 --> 02:03:41,920
obviously going to take care of it.
We're not going to leave it like this.

1423
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:47,280
But it's also clear that the engineer
should have said put some rig mats out

1424
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:51,599
there. You know, I mean,
this is a this is a damage that you

1425
02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:58,960
certainly didn't expect. Nobody
expected. Okay, it's happened. We'll pay

1426
02:03:55,360 --> 02:04:03,199
for it. But in the future, we want them
noted. Richard,

1427
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:10,560
please don't leave. A very important
motion is coming. It's critical.

1428
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:15,520
Okay. I need a motion on this 52nd
Street.

1429
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:21,599
Brian, you made the motion. Oh, that's
right. And the number's been corrected.

1430
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:25,840
All those in favor?
Opposed?

1431
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:30,480
Carried.
As mayor, I want to apologize for making

1432
02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:36,400
a serious error in conducting this
meeting.

1433
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:43,280
on the motion related to the economic
development officer as I got corrected.

1434
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:48,560
I did not hear the friendly amendment
that the mover

1435
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:53,840
councelor Martinson accepted that
instead of 50/50 they were going to a

1436
02:04:50,960 --> 02:05:01,199
6040.
The reason I was thinking 50/50 is that

1437
02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:07,440
that was the deal we made on economic
development. the report itself,

1438
02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:12,239
everything will set the pace for 5050.
But if a friendly amendment was

1439
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:19,440
accepted, I apologize. Please have the
minutes uh recorded that the mayor made

1440
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:24,239
an incorrect ruling and so the motion is
void. Make your motion again.

1441
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:28,800
You think I didn't know how to get out
of that? What page was that up?

1442
02:05:27,346 --> 02:05:33,960
[laughter]
Same motion as before except for the

1443
02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:33,960
split of

1444
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:47,520
Can we be crystal clear on this
[laughter] just so we all understand?

1445
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:50,880
If this gets approved as 6040 and the
county shoots it down tomorrow, what

1446
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:54,159
happens next?
>> Well, we sit down and work it out.

1447
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:57,159
» Okay.
>> Remember

1448
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:12,239
And the other thing is that we have an
agreement with development, but we also

1449
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:15,119
have the other document, the ICF, the
intermunicipal collaboration framework,

1450
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:20,320
and then we have to see what maybe that
says that may be the overriding one, not

1451
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:23,920
mistaken because that I think a lot of
the stuff went 50/50 from the recreation

1452
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:26,400
to the fire department and everything
else should have probably been in the

1453
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:31,040
IC. F
>> it was all 50/50 in that IC.

1454
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:35,760
» Yeah. So just be careful on that too.
>> This is new

1455
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:42,000
for agreement between the county and the
town talked about 5050. That's where the

1456
02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:46,480
division of the deote fee
>> was 50

1457
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:48,159
and now we're signaling that we want to
change that

1458
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:52,880
» to 64
>> basis to 64.

1459
02:06:50,239 --> 02:06:55,920
» We may get a negotiation on that.
>> There may be something we have to

1460
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:58,079
renegotiate afterwards. Yeah.
>> Okay. We're putting our foot

1461
02:06:57,679 --> 02:07:00,880
» Okay.
>> We're putting our foot down so big

1462
02:06:59,679 --> 02:07:04,800
brother doesn't walk on us.
>> Yeah.

1463
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:09,320
» Just so we don't hold it up too long.
>> It can It can hold up for one more

1464
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:09,320
month.

1465
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:32,440
So, in an email this morning, uh, Mr.
Joy made reference to,

1466
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:39,920
uh, I got to find it. Sorry,
>> I am unprepared.

1467
02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:43,440
Um,
David made reference to he would require

1468
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:46,960
a notice of motion directing
administration to work with a lawyer to

1469
02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:52,360
develop a constitutionally strong and
effective bylaw which would relate to

1470
02:08:54,480 --> 02:09:04,480
I can get back to the other page.
>> Curfew vacancies.

1471
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:09,840
» Curfew vacancies. Um,
one suggestion was, uh, perhaps we close

1472
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:15,440
parks after, uh, after dark so that
people can't camp in McIntyre Park and

1473
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:19,119
JC Park. Um, parks close from midnight
till 5:00 a.m. or something as a

1474
02:09:17,599 --> 02:09:22,719
suggestion.
Um but uh David wanted a formal motion

1475
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:28,480
on the books. So I'm putting a formal
motion on the books that uh we d that

1476
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:34,079
council direct administration to um
prepare amendments to any relevant

1477
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:40,000
bylaws related to curfews, nuisance,
homeless encampments, etc.

1478
02:09:37,599 --> 02:09:44,400
» I like the wording in the email that I
received and I I thought it was

1479
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:50,000
worthwhile that we could pursue this and
and get a lawyer's uh formulation of a

1480
02:09:47,599 --> 02:09:55,679
policy. Sure.
Yeah. Sure. moved by the deputy mayor.

1481
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:46,480
Well, over the past month, uh half of it
I was on vacation. Uh they've uh been

1482
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:51,199
managing the with the vacancies at the
water treatment plant uh using it as an

1483
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:58,960
opportunity
uh and uh employing contracting with

1484
02:11:54,400 --> 02:12:02,320
water main sewer uh consultant uh to
look at our all of our procedures.

1485
02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:06,159
» Yep.
>> How come this isn't being

1486
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:07,599
» okay? It's recorded. It's just not
working well. else we didn't want to

1487
02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:10,639
discuss.
>> Okay.

1488
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:16,719
» So, there's that some personnel issues
that had to be dealt with and uh a

1489
02:12:13,599 --> 02:12:23,040
number of them and then um
uh really taken the last week uh looking

1490
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:27,599
at the action list that I do have and uh
trying to make a push on those. Uh one

1491
02:12:25,599 --> 02:12:33,360
of the items in here about the steel
saddles, they still aren't installed. Uh

1492
02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:37,760
I expect it to be installed in
September.

1493
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:42,960
And that's that's all I have.
>> Any questions or comments from the CEO

1494
02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:48,400
on his report? Deputy mayor.
>> Sorry, David. Real quick, I'll be quick.

1495
02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:51,520
Um, you're I'm looking at your CEO
action list, the the table.

1496
02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:58,000
» Yep.
>> Um, the second item, February 24th,

1497
02:12:53,760 --> 02:13:02,239
2026, number 63-26. Uh, the subdivision
area structure plan. You say it's paused

1498
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:07,599
pending external negotiations. Those
external negotiations have expired. Um,

1499
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:10,480
can we follow up on that and resume?
>> Exa. Exactly. I'll be doing that very

1500
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:16,320
shortly.
>> Yeah. Okay. Um, April 28th, the uh Do

1501
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:19,440
you have an update on the steel saddles
on the glue lamp beams?

1502
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:22,480
» That's what I just mentioned. I expected
to be in September. Okay.

1503
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:25,520
» And I was surprised it hadn't been done,
but there's again with some revocations

1504
02:13:24,719 --> 02:13:30,239
and
>> the engineers involved.

1505
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:35,280
» Okay. Um,
and just uh it doesn't matter to me, but

1506
02:13:32,159 --> 02:13:39,679
it's a point of order. the June 23rd,
2026 uh development incentives for

1507
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:44,000
residential and commercial.
>> I believe that was moved by me. I think

1508
02:13:42,159 --> 02:13:45,280
you've got Carol and I mixed up on two
of these points.

1509
02:13:44,719 --> 02:13:51,360
» Okay.
>> The uh development incentives was a me

1510
02:13:48,639 --> 02:13:56,800
thing and the
Where's Carol's?

1511
02:13:53,840 --> 02:14:01,440
Carol's was shoot. I had it here. I'm
sorry. It doesn't matter. We're just You

1512
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:04,000
mixed us up on two of them, but
>> that's all I got.

1513
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:07,599
» Okay. Thank you,
>> John.

1514
02:14:05,679 --> 02:14:14,560
» I did have one question and I don't know
if it's been on here before and I just

1515
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:20,000
missed it, but um on the um the CEO's
time sheet,

1516
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:27,440
I see under bank time I I see that there
is bank time and under bank time I see

1517
02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:35,199
um 1 2 3 4 five vacation days were used
against it. I thought the CEO was a

1518
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:39,280
salary position and bank time and
wouldn't come out wouldn't be

1519
02:14:38,480 --> 02:14:43,840
wouldn't count.
>> I can answer this. Uh it's part of the

1520
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:50,560
employment agreement. I'm given uh two
uh two weeks of bank time to use in lie

1521
02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:56,480
of all the overtime, the council
meetings and everything else. So, we

1522
02:14:53,360 --> 02:15:02,320
record it as bank time and uh I use that
bank time first when I take vacation and

1523
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:04,960
um and that's it's part of the
employment agreement.

1524
02:15:03,199 --> 02:15:08,440
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Any other questions?

1525
02:15:11,119 --> 02:15:19,360
» Uh one thing he didn't report but I
asked a question is the cameraing for

1526
02:15:17,360 --> 02:15:23,960
53rd Avenue is supposed to start this
week. Just to let council know.

1527
02:15:40,239 --> 02:15:46,639
» You can't answer that now. We're having
a committee of the whole in a week's

1528
02:15:44,480 --> 02:15:52,079
time. That might be a good time to sort
of get a more wholesome report on what's

1529
02:15:50,239 --> 02:15:59,199
finally been agreed to with the province
and how prepared we are. Okay.

1530
02:15:56,960 --> 02:16:04,480
Motion to accept the CEO's report for
information. Councelor Hanland. All

1531
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:12,079
those in favor carried. Going on to
correspondence.

1532
02:16:06,719 --> 02:16:15,079
Uh an email from uh business owner Ron
Shunter.

1533
02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:25,760
These are a number of specific questions
related to

1534
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:30,400
policing and it in part it goes back to
my comment earlier when we were

1535
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:36,764
discussing having the crimerevention
public meeting that we need to have a

1536
02:16:34,639 --> 02:16:41,359
we need to have a report in hand
[clears throat] about the efficacy of

1537
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:47,679
the security cameras. A lot of this has
got to do with that. And also, I think

1538
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:55,040
we have to satisfy ourselves that the
town is getting the the shift coverage

1539
02:16:51,679 --> 02:17:00,399
that we were hoping it would get, that
the dead zone was closed.

1540
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:04,399
Okay.
Is there anything else to add to Mr.

1541
02:17:02,479 --> 02:17:07,519
Shunter's
letter?

1542
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:11,120
Yes. I'm just wondering if this may be a
good idea to pass this over to Brady for

1543
02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:15,120
the ne his next report to council and
maybe he can hide.

1544
02:17:12,479 --> 02:17:21,599
» I'm already I've starting this well I
received this email this morning.

1545
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:28,319
» I'm I'm already working on the responses
and I will be uh meeting with Brady, but

1546
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:34,719
I'm also meeting with uh the officer in
charge, the new one, Sherry Chu

1547
02:17:31,519 --> 02:17:40,880
um who's she came back from Israel.
She's in charge of the detach. She's a

1548
02:17:36,960 --> 02:17:45,359
detachment and uh and Jason is moving
on, but he's still here. But I'm meeting

1549
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:49,599
with both of them on Wednesday and I'll
be discussing some of this with them.

1550
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:55,359
» Good. Any further questions? Deputy
Mayor,

1551
02:17:51,200 --> 02:18:00,240
» I got a philosophical point that, you
know, AI has both been the best and

1552
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:04,319
worst invention,
>> the best and worst invention in recent

1553
02:18:02,719 --> 02:18:07,120
history
because it's created all these

1554
02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:12,160
efficiencies that you never thought
possible. But at the same time, you've

1555
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:17,439
got, and man, that guy drives me crazy
some days. But you've got Ron using

1556
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:20,840
prompts like make this longer so it
seems more impressive.

1557
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:28,559
But the amount of repetition in some of
his letters is staggering.

1558
02:18:26,960 --> 02:18:31,359
» I don't think he's I don't think he's
going to watch this far. That's why I'm

1559
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:34,719
going out on a limb here.
>> But you know,

1560
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:41,359
» the audio is still being maintained.
>> Yeah. Um, you know, it takes five

1561
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:46,960
minutes every second week to read the
meeting minutes of council. And, uh, if

1562
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:50,000
the community did that, and I I believe
if you're going to participate in your

1563
02:18:48,639 --> 02:18:53,040
local government, and everybody should
participate in their local government,

1564
02:18:51,359 --> 02:18:55,760
the minimum you can do is read the
meeting minutes. I don't expect

1565
02:18:54,399 --> 02:18:59,599
everybody to sit through three-hour
council meetings, but read the meeting

1566
02:18:57,679 --> 02:19:04,399
minutes and get a summary of what's
going on in your community because most

1567
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:06,880
of the questions in this letter would
have been answered by the meeting

1568
02:19:05,519 --> 02:19:12,960
minutes. Most of the questions in this
letter are related to the uh camera

1569
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:16,639
policy that we passed in February,
right? And if you read the meeting

1570
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:22,319
minutes and you referred to the policy
which is on the town website, all your

1571
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:28,160
questions get answered. And it's uh it's
uh yeah um I I already had a discussion

1572
02:19:26,559 --> 02:19:31,200
with him about this letter. Don't spend
a bunch of time answering it. Give him

1573
02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:33,599
the bullet points, but don't waste a day
on it.

1574
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:36,479
» And let's let's conclude on the
statement that you don't pick your

1575
02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:44,040
relatives.
>> Moving on now to the FCSS.

1576
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:44,040
Any questions about it?

1577
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:52,520
got pages of monthly stats here.

1578
02:19:53,439 --> 02:20:00,720
Well,
you know, Brian, I've always been at a

1579
02:19:58,479 --> 02:20:05,200
little bit of a loss how to deal with
correspondence because sometimes we

1580
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:10,240
receive them individually for
information and other times we wonder

1581
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:15,200
why they we've even gotten it.
There is

1582
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:23,120
» there are requests like from community
futures for for uh an office space. So

1583
02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:27,040
» no. Okay. But
are you asking what kind of motion we

1584
02:20:25,120 --> 02:20:30,720
need for the shunter letter?
>> Yeah. Do you receive it for information

1585
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:32,880
or
or

1586
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:36,319
» Okay. The motion to receive for
information made by councelor Martinson.

1587
02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:42,080
» Okay.
>> All those in favor? Carried. Motion to

1588
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:48,080
receive the SCSS report. Council
Minderline. Any questions on the report?

1589
02:20:46,399 --> 02:20:51,640
» No. We've been all over the place on how
to handle correspondence.

1590
02:20:53,200 --> 02:21:00,319
» No questions.
All those in favor of information

1591
02:20:57,920 --> 02:21:06,200
carried.
Northpace

1592
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:06,200
Performing Arts Festival.

1593
02:21:06,960 --> 02:21:09,960
Um,

1594
02:21:11,359 --> 02:21:20,479
» they're asking for support.
>> They're asking for support in a very

1595
02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:24,080
vague way.
>> I I don't know what they're asking for

1596
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:27,560
really
>> on page 231.

1597
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:34,680
» Oh, donor recognition.
>> Yeah.

1598
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:44,880
Where is this being held?
>> You know, and that and that was one of

1599
02:21:41,439 --> 02:21:48,399
the things I wrote down was um it's it
doesn't say where this is going to be

1600
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:50,880
held. I'm presuming the way I read it.
Peace River

1601
02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:54,080
» Peace River Manning and Donnelly doesn't
take place in High Prairie. Make a

1602
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:56,000
motion to receive for information.
>> Right.

1603
02:21:54,560 --> 02:21:59,120
» For information.
>> Make that motion.

1604
02:21:57,040 --> 02:22:05,040
» Deputy mayor moved for information. That
means we bid it. All those in favor?

1605
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:10,160
Carried.
uh

1606
02:22:07,359 --> 02:22:14,399
Northern Lakes College.
>> Yes,

1607
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:18,399
I was be invited to uh sit on this
committee on behalf of Pops Home

1608
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:21,439
Hardware as a local business leader. Um
if we want to kill two birds with one

1609
02:22:19,920 --> 02:22:24,000
stone, I can represent the town at the
same time.

1610
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:27,200
» You're volunteering to sit sit on the
CDC?

1611
02:22:24,720 --> 02:22:29,600
» I'm already on the board, so I'll I'll
represent the town. I'll volunteer to

1612
02:22:28,479 --> 02:22:33,760
represent the town on the board.
>> Yes.

1613
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:38,319
I would also be interested in sitting on
this. Um but it doesn't look like

1614
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:44,000
they're asking for us to appoint
somebody until our um

1615
02:22:41,520 --> 02:22:48,479
» organization meeting in October.
>> Yeah, but they don't get to say decide

1616
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:54,160
when we appoint people. We'll decide
that. But you're right. We do need an or

1617
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:58,880
meeting sometime in October.
>> No, I'd support I'd support that.

1618
02:22:57,120 --> 02:23:01,760
» You're supporting her?
>> Yeah. If she wants if she wants to.

1619
02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:08,080
» Yeah.
>> Deputy mayor move. Councelor Hanland.

1620
02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:14,319
All those in favor
carried.

1621
02:23:10,720 --> 02:23:19,520
Uh, Community Futures. Okay. Where are
What is this?

1622
02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:23,520
Go ahead. So,
Community Futures has a number of

1623
02:23:21,439 --> 02:23:30,880
programs that operate in High Prairie.
Um when I met with them at uh because I

1624
02:23:27,840 --> 02:23:36,399
recently got a appointed with a board
position. Um when I met with them at my

1625
02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:40,080
first board meeting, I uh um we
discussed opening an office in the in

1626
02:23:38,479 --> 02:23:45,920
High Prairie so that they could have
somebody here one two days a week um to

1627
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:50,160
meet with High Prairie residents to uh
discuss the services that they offer.

1628
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:54,319
They um
and to be truthful, when we first

1629
02:23:52,800 --> 02:24:00,960
appointed me to Community Futures, I
thought Community Futures functioned as

1630
02:23:56,000 --> 02:24:04,399
a uh business guidance, training,
business support.

1631
02:24:02,960 --> 02:24:09,760
You know, I I I thought they ran
courses. A huge huge portion of what

1632
02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:14,479
they do is providing loans to local
businesses that uh don't qualify for

1633
02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:18,880
bank lending. and they have special
federal grants um for small businesses

1634
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:22,880
in order to give those small businesses
loans. So having an office here in High

1635
02:24:21,359 --> 02:24:27,680
Prairie so that they can meet with local
business owners who and discuss loan

1636
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:32,000
opportunities, it would be uh very
advantageous to uh local economic

1637
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:36,240
development in the in the town. Do we
have room next door?

1638
02:24:34,319 --> 02:24:42,560
» Yeah, they do inventory, loans, all
kinds of stuff. Yes.

1639
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:48,800
» Put that into a motion. Um, I'll make a
motion that we

1640
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:55,120
are we renting or we giving. Giving.
Yes. That we rent a space at a at the

1641
02:24:52,399 --> 02:25:00,720
cost of $0 and0
per square foot [laughter] to uh

1642
02:24:58,479 --> 02:25:03,760
community future slave lake um somewhere
in town.

1643
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:06,080
» The motion is to allocate space from the
current building. Right.

1644
02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:10,960
» Yes.
>> All those in favor?

1645
02:25:08,960 --> 02:25:15,920
» Carry it. again
notice of upcoming meetings.

1646
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:21,520
Uh I really think we need a committee of
the whole next Tuesday.

1647
02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:27,120
Then we're
gone to Edmonton and we've already moved

1648
02:25:23,920 --> 02:25:32,240
the regular meeting to the 29th. Right.
So are we agreed on committee of the

1649
02:25:29,359 --> 02:25:37,200
whole a week from tonight?
Do we need a motion?

1650
02:25:34,319 --> 02:25:43,520
I move committee the whole meeting on
whatever a week from tonight is

1651
02:25:41,359 --> 02:25:48,479
» all those in favor
carried. Now I want to do something a

1652
02:25:46,479 --> 02:25:53,359
little differently on written and verbal
reports.

1653
02:25:50,640 --> 02:26:00,319
We've always dealt with this on one big
omnimous motion for both the reports and

1654
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:06,479
the attendance sheets. I want to
separate them because one is reporting

1655
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:14,880
for information, the other is approving
money. So I would now entertain a motion

1656
02:26:10,080 --> 02:26:18,840
to approve the written verbal reports of
the mayor and council.

1657
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:26,560
Councelor Martinsson.
All those in favor carried. I would now

1658
02:26:24,319 --> 02:26:33,200
like to have entertain a motion
approving the attendance sheets of mayor

1659
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:37,200
and council. Councelor Mindelac.
I think this formalizes things a little

1660
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:43,720
better and makes the accountability a
little stricter. All those in favor

1661
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:43,720
carried.

1662
02:26:44,720 --> 02:26:47,720
Um,

1663
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:55,720
I honestly think that the agenda being
complete, the meeting is adjourned.

1664
02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:09,280
» You really scared me with that economic
development officer thing. [laughter]

1665
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:11,439
» Well, it's actually the case. I thought
I